1              SCRANTON CITY COUNCIL MEETING








            5                          HELD:




            7                  Tuesday, October 13, 2009




            9                        LOCATION:


           10                    Council Chambers


           11                 Scranton City Hall


           12              340 North Washington Avenue


           13                Scranton, Pennsylvania









































                (Not present)


                MS. JANET E. EVANS



            9   MS. SHERRY FANUCCI



                MR. WILLIAM COURTRIGHT



           12   MS. KAY GARVEY, CITY CLERK






           15   MR. AMIL MINORA, SOLICITOR


























            1                      (Pledge of Allegiance recited and


            2              moment of reflection observed.)


            3                      MR. MCGOFF:  Roll call.


            4                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.


            5                      MS. EVANS:  Here.


            6                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Gatelli.  Ms.


            7              Fanucci.


            8                      MS. FANUCCI:  Here.


            9                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. Courtright.


           10                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Here.


           11                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.


           12                      MR. MCGOFF:  Here.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF: Please let the record


           14              show that Mrs. Gatelli did call me and say


           15              that she may not be able to make tonight's


           16              meeting.  She was engaged in doing flu


           17              vaccines through the school district and she


           18              was not sure whether she would be finished


           19              in time.  Dispense with the reading of the


           20              minutes.


           21                      MS. GARVEY: Third Order.  There is


           22              no business at this time.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF:  Announcements from


           24              council?


           25                      MS. EVANS: Yes.  Please remember in






            1              your prayers all those who are died this


            2              week, particularly Thomas Knoll and his wife


            3              and family he leaves behind.  His daughter,


            4              Angela, is a dedicated city employee and a


            5              very good friend to many of us.


            6                      Tomorrow evening, October 14, the


            7              Interfaith Friend's Committee in cooperation


            8              with Friendly's Restaurant invite you to


            9              dine at Friendly's in Dunmore from 5 to


           10              8 p.m.  Proceeds will benefit the St.


           11              Francis of Assisi Food Kitchen.  As we face


           12              the winter months, increasing high


           13              unemployment and a harsh economy, you can


           14              make a difference.  By dining at Friendly's,


           15              you can help to feed the hungry and needy in


           16              your community.


           17                      Attention young people of our area


           18              and the young at heart who wish to support


           19              our First Responders.  There will be a


           20              benefit for Foundation 58 this Friday


           21              October 16, from 5 to 9 p.m. at Heil's Place


           22              located at 1002 Wheeler Avenue in Scranton.


           23              Entertainment will be provided by Yacondo


           24              Cortezo, lead singer of Lesson One, Grace's


           25              Downfall, and No Where Slow.  In addition,






            1              50/50 raffles, Leah Sophia jewelry sales and


            2              basket raffles will be held.  Foundation 58


            3              is a 501-C-3 nonprofit organization


            4              dedicated to providing financial assistance


            5              to firefighters, police officers and EMS


            6              personnel who are diagnosed with cancer and


            7              donations are tax deductible.  It will be a


            8              great time for everyone and proceeds will


            9              help our First Responders who devoted their


           10              lives to keeping all of us safe.


           11                      An Octoberfest 2009 fundraiser will


           12              be conducted at the Parker House Cafe, 12


           13              East Parker Street, Scranton, on October 17


           14              from 7 to 10 p.m. tickets are $10.00 and are


           15              available at the door.  All proceeds benefit


           16              the James N. Lynett speech and debate


           17              invitational tournament.  Celebrate


           18              Octoberfest and support a great cause.


           19                      Saints Peter and Paul Russian


           20              Orthodox Church on Washburn Street in


           21              Scranton hold a delicious roast beef dinner


           22              this Sunday, October 18, from noon to


           23              2:00 p.m. at the Parish Hall.  Tickets are


           24              available at the door and takeouts will be


           25              available.






            1                      The Women's Society of St. Joe's


            2              Malachite Church will sponsor a spaghetti


            3              dinner October 22 from 5 to 8 p.m. at the


            4              church hall located at North Street and St.


            5              Francis Cabrini Avenue.  Tickets are $8.00


            6              for adults and $4.00 for children under ten


            7              and are available for parishioners and at


            8              the door.


            9                      The Providence United Methodist


           10              Church will conduct a turkey dinner and


           11              bazaar on October 24 from 5 to 7 p.m.


           12              Takeouts are available from 4 to 5.  Tickets


           13              are $9.50 for adults and $5.00 for children


           14              between the ages of 5 and 12 years of age.


           15              Children under five are free.  Tickets are


           16              available at the door.  And I can tell you


           17              this is one wonderful meal.  It's one of my


           18              very favorites in this city and it's just


           19              like having a Thanksgiving dinner a month


           20              early.


           21                      And the next day St. Stanislas


           22              Polish National Catholic Cathedral will hold


           23              it's preholiday homestyle turkey dinner on


           24              October 25 at 12:30 p.m. in the Youth Center


           25              at 530 East Elm Street.  Tickets are $10 for






            1              adults, $5 for children under 12, and are


            2              available at the door.


            3                      We have two chances, you see, in the


            4              same weekend to enjoy mouthwatering turkey


            5              dinners at very reasonable prices and in


            6              this economy isn't it good to know that we


            7              can enjoy wonderful meals and parties so


            8              cheaply and at the same time we can be


            9              helping those who are less fortunate, and


           10              that's all.


           11                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I just have one


           12              here.  Sunday and Monday for the next three


           13              Sunday and Mondays Holy Cross basketball


           14              will be holding their signups from 6 to 8


           15              p.m., and that's for the boys and girls


           16              basketball, so it's this Sunday and Monday


           17              and for the next three weeks 6 to 8 p.m. at


           18              the Holy Cross Hall.


           19                      MR. MCGOFF: Following last week's


           20              meeting, Attorney Minora and I discussed the


           21              Rules of Council that apply.  Given the fact


           22              that there was some breaches of those rules,


           23              I did ask Mr. Coolican to put just a little


           24              reminder of what those rules are.  There is


           25              nothing different than what we've practiced






            1              in the past, and with that I have also asked


            2              members of council if they would please


            3              assist in helping abide by the Rules of


            4              Council by not interrupting speakers and


            5              also ask them if they would answer any


            6              questions that may be made that those


            7              answers would be made during our motion's


            8              time.  Hopefully the incidents that occurred


            9              last week will not be -- would not be


           10              repeated.


           11                      I should say that I did receive a


           12              couple of phone calls from people that were


           13              upset with some of the comments made by


           14              speakers, especially ones that were sexual


           15              in nature.  They did not believe that it was


           16              something that was appropriate to our


           17              meeting nor to public television.  So,


           18              again, I would just please be aware of where


           19              we are and what we are doing and hopefully


           20              we can have a better business meeting.  And


           21              with that, citizens' participation.  Joe


           22              Dwyer.


           23                      MR. DWYER:  Good evening, members of


           24              council and concerned citizens of Scranton.


           25              Last week I came here and I talked briefly






            1              about the homeless situation, both the


            2              helpless and the working poor in this


            3              community.  I was greeted with I was


            4              argumentative and that should turn over the


            5              people's names of who were in living out in


            6              the tents and shelters who did not have a


            7              home.  That frustrates me.


            8                      I came here looking for some


            9              compassion.  I came here looking for people


           10              who are elected to this community to be


           11              leaders, to guide us, to show us how we


           12              should be citizens of this community and yet


           13              that isn't what we received.  I'm here again


           14              asking for the same kind of help.


           15                      The mayor lives in a house that was


           16              condemned and blighted, what's so different


           17              about him that he can rehab a house and


           18              there is so many homes in this city that


           19              could be used for the people who do not have


           20              the means to buy a house, to pay rent for a


           21              house.  There is moms who are working at


           22              McDonald's whose hours were cut back and


           23              they have make a choice of whether to pay


           24              the rent or by food for their kids.  I told


           25              you last year about a mom in this situation.






            1              This week I met three people, two of them


            2              are very much -- come from prominent


            3              families in the community.  Their own family


            4              doesn't even know they are living in the


            5              street because when they go to their house


            6              they are well-groomed.


            7                      There is a girl who she was 17 years


            8              old and she was kicked out of the house.


            9              She was just an average kid doing average


           10              kid things.  She hooked with a guy who was


           11              45 years old.  We don't need that.  When I


           12              went and I told a prominent member in this


           13              community what I wanted to rehab a house


           14              for, and for a girl similar to that so she


           15              wouldn't end up in prostitution or have to


           16              look for a bed to lay in just so she would


           17              have a roof over her head, he had the house


           18              bulldozed to the ground a week later.  That


           19              isn't what we need.  We need people to stand


           20              up.  We need people to say, "How can I


           21              help?"


           22                      We need people to say, "What can I


           23              do to make this situation change?"


           24                      I'm asking you as members of this


           25              community, as leaders of this community, to






            1              offer that hand, to raise people up, not to


            2              keep uprooting people.  Will you help?


            3                      Last year we were promised by the


            4              mayor a list of all of the city available


            5              lots that weren't being used to plant


            6              gardens, to raise fruits and vegetables.  We


            7              never got them.  We were stonewalled.  I'm


            8              asking you for that list so we can plant for


            9              this next growing season, so we can utilize


           10              that property that isn't being used, and I'm


           11              asking that the mayor doesn't send his


           12              henchman out to go and intimidate other


           13              people who offer their lands to us, who may


           14              have a lien against the property and don't


           15              have the resources to pay that lien.  They


           16              don't want the property themselves, but the


           17              city won't take it either because they need


           18              ten years before they can acquire a


           19              property, but the citizens don't need to be


           20              threatened or intimidated not to use the


           21              land for something good.


           22                      So it's nice to see that the


           23              community itself is saying, hey, we


           24              recognize that there is a problem here and


           25              there isn't enough food to feed the people






            1              in this community, like Macy's, like the Boy


            2              Scouts, the Girl Scouts, local churches.  We


            3              need more activity like that.  We need you


            4              to stand up and say what can we do as a


            5              community to feed the people who don't have


            6              the food.  It isn't a budget crises that


            7              caused this, and this situation isn't


            8              getting any better.  If you listen to the


            9              economist telling the story that's about to


           10              happen, you know, we got commercial real


           11              estate that's about to crumble.  We have the


           12              bond market that's about a crash.  We are


           13              not hearing that, but go and talk to


           14              business people, talk to people who have


           15              investments and they will tell you how bad


           16              it is, and we are the last block.


           17                      Scranton usually gets the tail end


           18              of the big stone and we've see that.  We've


           19              seen the major foreclosures on homes that


           20              are coming to this community now.  It would


           21              have to be more, but we are going to have a


           22              greater fallout now because more people are


           23              being displaced from work and their hours


           24              are being cut back and they don't have the


           25              means to pay the bills.  Can I have your






            1              support?  Will you give us your support, I'm


            2              asking you or are you going to stay numb?


            3              Can I have a response?


            4                      MR. MCGOFF: We will respond during


            5              motions.  Thank you, Mr. Dwyer.


            6                      MR. DWYER:  Thank you.


            7                      MR. MCGOFF: Andy Sbaraglia.


            8                      MR. SBARAGLIA: Andy Sbaraglia,


            9              citizen of Scranton.  Fellow Scrantonians,


           10              Agenda Item 5-E, that's a loan to a fitness


           11              center at 5 percent, I guess it's a fitness


           12              center, by the way the name is written


           13              Fitness 53 I guess that would be a fitness


           14              center.  So there is isn't much and that, 5


           15              percent.


           16                      So we move onto 7-C, donation of


           17              land.  A woman I guess from the backup


           18              inherited it and I don't blame her for


           19              dumping it.  I'm glad the city is taking it


           20              over, at least she ain't paying tax on it.


           21              I hope it's just everything on the surface


           22              there.


           23                      Okay, let's get down to real --


           24              there is a dark cloud gathering over


           25              Scranton financially.  One is with the Sewer






            1              Authority and, as you know, they could have


            2              put in for any kind of a grant, that went by


            3              the wayside.  Now we are going to be hit


            4              with huge fines that somebody has to pay.


            5              They are saying up to a hundred -- I think


            6              it was 120 million may cost the tax -- the


            7              ratepayers of the City of Scranton and


            8              Dunmore to fix the sewer system.  I don't


            9              know why it costs that much.  I don't really


           10              put much faith in the people that are


           11              running the sewer system, but unfortunately


           12              we have to put up with them and until they


           13              can be changed, but that's one thing, the


           14              sewer system.


           15                      Now, I got another thing with the


           16              Parking Authority.  I don't know if they


           17              used their letter of credit and paid off


           18              their loan yet, but that could come, too,


           19              and now they are borrowing.  Now, they come


           20              up and they say, "Our pension funds are in


           21              bad shape.  Huge amounts of money have to be


           22              paid to the pension funds."


           23                      And that all falls on the taxpayer.


           24              We are being hit from all sides with


           25              increased costs at a time when the country






            1              is actually tanking.  Wall Street says


            2              things are great, well, they are great for


            3              the banks, but the poor people, I think it's


            4              9.8 percent now are out of work and they


            5              expect it to be 10 percent and they are also


            6              reading that, I mean, maybe two years before


            7              things pick up.


            8                      Our electric rates are about to


            9              increase 30 percent if we don't dump PPL and


           10              go with somebody else.  There is another


           11              tragedy.  We sat by and let the legislature


           12              split up PPL to a generation and then the


           13              selling.  We already paid -- we have already


           14              paid for those generation plants.  We got


           15              nothing for it.  We were putting in for the


           16              lines.  I mean, we should be able to buy the


           17              lines and just thump them out and be done


           18              with them and hire a -- I mean, the State of


           19              Pennsylvania should take care of all the


           20              line, hire a crew and take care of them


           21              ourselves.  The way it's going now isn't the


           22              best and it's not going to improve.


           23                      All of these things are being pushed


           24              upon the taxpayers or even people -- the


           25              aging, which I feel sorry for them more than






            1              anybody.  My sister has electric heat.  She


            2              was already paying $400 last year a month,


            3              30 percent increase is going to be


            4              skyrocket.  I have to advise her to dump PPL


            5              and go with some of the other people coming


            6              in, and if you go out and follow the legals


            7              in the paper you see four or five, six


            8              people put in to sell electricity, and while


            9              the chamber was arranging for low rates for


           10              the big consumers of electricity, but for


           11              the common people they weren't doing


           12              nothing.  I think there is a municipality up


           13              in Dunmore that sells their own electricity.


           14              I believe, of course, they have to buy it


           15              from PPL then sell it to people that live up


           16              there, and if Olyphant can do it maybe we


           17              should look somewhere along the line of


           18              joining groups, cooperative groups to buy


           19              electricity from other sources and PPL to


           20              help them out on their rates.  I feel sorry


           21              for them.  I really do, for people who use


           22              electric heat.


           23                      I'll never forget, well, the lady


           24              was -- it was gas, four years ago, five


           25              years ago who got her gas shut off, went to






            1              electricity, started a fire and burnt down


            2              the house and she died.  I didn't forget


            3              that and I don't like to see that happen


            4              again.  I really don't.  I think we should


            5              do whatever we can, being if you looked at


            6              what the statements said they were cutting


            7              back heat rebates and federal government was


            8              doing this and federal government was doing


            9              that.  I mean, the poor people in this


           10              state, in the city is going to be hit real


           11              hard.  Well, enough of that.  Thank you.


           12                      MR. MCGOFF: Mike Dudek.


           13                      MR. DUDEK: My name is Mike Dudek,


           14              608 Depot Street up here in Scranton.  I


           15              live down in the Plot.  I'd like to begin by


           16              picking up where Mr. Dwyer left off.  He is


           17              a member of the Pax Christie.  This is an


           18              organization that over the last I'd say 20


           19              to 30 years has been pillared by virtually


           20              every district attorney and most of the


           21              county commissioners in this county because


           22              this is the organization that kept bringing


           23              forward extremely unbelievable abuses in the


           24              Lackawanna County Prison and over the last


           25              20 to 30 years Pax Christie has always been






            1              correct and right on the button about it, so


            2              when somebody from Pax Christie comes here


            3              to speak about an issue this is a person


            4              that is really worth listening to.


            5                      And in dealing with the homeless


            6              situation, I'm going to ask council to think


            7              inside the box on this one.  You have a lot


            8              of homeless people out there.  Now, what I'm


            9              thinking of a facility for a lot of homeless


           10              people I think I would like something that


           11              would have a lot of rooms in it, kitchen


           12              facilities, lavatories, showers and maybe


           13              even a meeting hall in case the organization


           14              that runs it wants to meet with all of the


           15              tenants that are inside.  What are we doing


           16              with Bishop Hannon High School, the old


           17              Bishop Hannon High?


           18                      All that thing is doing right now is


           19              collecting pigeon poop.  That building has


           20              everything in it that I just described and


           21              that building has probably big enough to


           22              encapsulate and sweep up every homeless


           23              person within the boundaries of the City of


           24              Scranton and then some.  It would take very


           25              little to renovate some of those classrooms,






            1              which are small to begin with.  Those are


            2              your dormitories.


            3                      All of the other facilities that I


            4              just mentioned that should be there are


            5              already there.  Who owns the building that


            6              I'm calling Bishop Hannon?  The Diocese.  If


            7              I'm not mistaken I think the Catholic Church


            8              is committed to helping the sick and the


            9              poor and the homeless.


           10                      I think we have a very natural fit


           11              there and I think city council and the


           12              members of, you know, the appropriate people


           13              in the Diocese of Scranton ought to meet and


           14              to discuss the possibility of using this


           15              facility as a homeless shelter, whether it


           16              would be run by the Diocese or run by the


           17              city or Pax Christie or whomever.


           18                      This is a problem that adults can


           19              fix.  If this problem is not fixed by using


           20              that school as a good temporary homeless


           21              shelter, then it's only because adults are


           22              not thinking properly in order to help with


           23              the city problem.  Thank you.


           24                      MR. MCGOFF: Lee Morgan.


           25                      MR. MORGAN: Good evening, Council.






            1              The first thing I have here, it's ashame,


            2              Mr. McGoff, that you can't speak tonight,


            3              but I have a copy of the Home Rule Charter


            4              here and the previous meeting prior to last


            5              week's meeting you were talking about the


            6              Single Tax Office.  Now, when I was talking


            7              about subpoenas I wasn't talking about the


            8              Single Tax Office because they don't operate


            9              under the authority of city council, but


           10              there are numerous entities in the city that


           11              do like the Housing Authority, the Parking


           12              Authority, there is the Sewer Authority.  I


           13              mean, these are all things that council


           14              could investigate and if you go to Section


           15              312 in the Home Rule Charter you will find


           16              that, okay?


           17                      I mean, I just -- I really found it


           18              troubling two weeks ago when you tried to


           19              say that council wasn't responsible for


           20              where this city is.  I thought that that


           21              statement by yourself was very disingenuous.


           22              You have the opportunity to do subpoenas and


           23              find out what the situations are whether


           24              it's the Parking Authority or the Sewer


           25              Authority, and then when you go to Article






            1              V, and you go to six, Section 502, it says:


            2              "Regulate the rates for it's services by a


            3              municipal-owned public utility."


            4                      That's the Sewer Authority.  So what


            5              I -- what I would like to request is -- I


            6              would like to request information that


            7              explains how council lost the ability to set


            8              sewer rates in the city because this is the


            9              Home Rule Charter and the voters in the City


           10              of Scranton voted this in, so evidently who


           11              overruled it I would like to see that and if


           12              the agreement with American Anglican fell


           13              apart and allegedly you lost that authority


           14              then after that agreement ended that


           15              authority should have come back to council.


           16                      And I agree with -- many speakers


           17              have come here and said, Andy Sbaraglia has


           18              spoken about this for an extremely long


           19              period of time.  This -- I do say though


           20              that the first speaker who came here tonight


           21              really had a lot to say that was very


           22              important because there is a lot of homeless


           23              people in this city.  There is lot of


           24              poverty in this city and in my opinion it


           25              all comes back to council.  This is an






            1              election year.  You know, people make


            2              promises they can never fulfill.


            3                      There is no youth programs in the


            4              city worth talking about, there is not a


            5              playground program in the city worth talking


            6              about.  We have gang activity in the city


            7              that was spoken about a decade ago and


            8              nobody did anything.  We have overtaxed the


            9              residents.  We have roving poverty that's


           10              spread through far through the city we have


           11              condemnations throughout the whole city and


           12              we are blaming landlords.  When the council


           13              in my opinion has created ordinances that


           14              allow inspectors to come into a property for


           15              no valid reason.


           16                      And the other problem I think we


           17              have in this city is some of our inspectors


           18              have been grandfathered by Mr. Shimkus when


           19              he was in office and they are not even


           20              qualified to do their job.  So, I mean, we


           21              have got some real serious problems here and


           22              then we have last week, okay, I didn't come


           23              last week because my brother passed away on


           24              Monday, but you know something he was a


           25              Vietnam veteran and Phyllis came up here and






            1              she said a couple of things about religion


            2              and we always talk about how we talk about


            3              how the people in the military protect us


            4              and protect our rights, when did we lose the


            5              ability to have freedom of speech in this


            6              chamber or any other chamber?  And you try


            7              to go back and talk about judge's decisions,


            8              the judge's decisions weren't to muzzle the


            9              residents of this city, we have done that


           10              for too long.  Maybe we should listen to


           11              them.  Thank you.


           12                      MR. MCGOFF: Lynn Bloom.


           13                      MS. BLOOM:  Good evening, ladies and


           14              gentlemen.  I'm first going to apologize in


           15              case I stumble, it's been quite awhile since


           16              I spoke publically.  I know all of you, you


           17              have no idea who I am, so I'm just going to


           18              take a little bit of time --


           19                      THE COURT:  Can you just state your


           20              name?


           21                      MS. BLOOM: I'm sorry.  Lynn Bloom,


           22              B-L-O-O-M.  My husband is a native of


           23              Scranton.  He was born and raised here and


           24              left to join the service in 1977.  He was


           25              discharged from the United States Army






            1              honorably after 13 years of service.  When


            2              he was discharged in 1991, I wanted to


            3              relocate to Scranton to raise my children


            4              here.  Flat out forbid it.  He did not come


            5              here, he did not want to live here, he did


            6              not think there was any employment


            7              opportunities.  He thought we would have a


            8              better standard of living going to where I'm


            9              from.  It took me 15 years to convince a


           10              native son to come back to where he was born


           11              and raised.  I have a nine-year-old child.


           12              I made the conscious decision to raise my


           13              child in this city.


           14                      I have been sick for six weeks.  I


           15              many so outraged by the behavior that goes


           16              on in these chambers I came here tonight.


           17              My husband asked why I'm so outraged.  I


           18              asked him to pick a subject.  I expect more


           19              decorum from my nine-year-old child than I


           20              see going on in this chamber.  I'm not


           21              directing towards anyone personally because


           22              I, unlike some of you, don't believe in


           23              bringing personalities into it.  When we


           24              have lost the ability for common courtesy


           25              and politeness in a city in council chambers






            1              that is televised to the elderly, to young


            2              children, to mothers, to children, there is


            3              a real problem.


            4                      Two weeks ago there were armed men


            5              and women in this chamber.  For whatever


            6              reason, this meeting was allowed to


            7              continue, but when someone who appears to be


            8              mentally challenged has the nerve or


            9              confusion to address topics, which I


           10              personally feel are completely inappropriate


           11              for the setting, but my mother taught me the


           12              good common sense that if you don't have


           13              nothing nice to say you don't say anything.


           14              When someone is speaking is more


           15              objectionable than armed men and women that


           16              I don't know from Adam, there is a problem


           17              in this city.


           18                      I was in charge of background


           19              investigations for a region of New York


           20              City.  I'm a retired Department of Treasury


           21              employee.  If you want my opinion it's not


           22              going to count for much, but when you have


           23              one police officer with I'm assuming at


           24              least one round in the chamber and maybe a


           25              couple of speed loaders in their belt and






            1              about ten people carrying weapons, you have


            2              crossed a line.  We can argue about the


            3              legalities and I will the first one to tell


            4              you, you can find a law to justify just


            5              about anything in this country.  I will


            6              never bring my nine-year-old child to watch


            7              this government work because I don't know


            8              who is going to be carrying a weapon in the


            9              audience?  How short are our memories?


           10              Lubby, Texas.  Kaline, a place I used to


           11              live, people having dinner, shot.


           12              Columbine, McDonald's, school yards, pick a


           13              place.


           14                      Now, I heard tonight that we can't


           15              do anything about it because this isn't a


           16              courtroom and that's why the Feds across the


           17              streets can bar weapons.  Newsflash, move it


           18              to a courtroom.  If that is the only thing


           19              that is preventing armed men and women from


           20              attending council meetings, put it in a


           21              temporary setting until you can find a law


           22              that justify a sign that says "No Firearms


           23              Allowed."


           24                      I would be more and happy to sit


           25              down with your solicitor and pour over the






            1              US Constitution, the Commonwealth and the


            2              city code because I can tell you with my


            3              bachelor's degree I'll find a law that makes


            4              it inappropriate at a civic meeting, I'm


            5              sorry I sound hostile, but I was born and


            6              raised and lived my adult life around


            7              weapons.


            8                      There is no reason in this day and


            9              age that anyone that has a right to carry


           10              permit in the State of Pennsylvania can


           11              enter a civic meeting.  You have a police


           12              officer because one of the board members


           13              said it was a hostile environment?  That


           14              police officer would be gone ten seconds.


           15              That's not protection.  I don't feel you


           16              folks need protection, I feel we all need


           17              protection, and until you do something to


           18              change it, you are going to be seeing me a


           19              lot because my son is being raised here and


           20              I want better for him than what every one


           21              here is giving him.


           22                      MR. MCGOFF: Les Spindler.


           23                      MR. SPINDLER: Good evening, council.


           24              Les Spindler, Scranton resident, homeowner


           25              and taxpayer.  Mr. McGoff, I think this is a






            1              first, but I agree with what you did last


            2              week in asking for a recess during the


            3              meeting.  I don't think religion has any


            4              place in politics, I said that for years.


            5              This isn't the forum for that.  I wouldn't


            6              go to the Bishop to have my sidewalk fixed


            7              so my sidewalks don't get flooded, so I


            8              don't think people should talk about


            9              religion here.  Although, I might get more


           10              satisfaction with my sidewalks from the


           11              Bishop than I do from this city.


           12                      Next thing, I was driving by the Mt.


           13              Pleasant Corporate Center site last week,


           14              which I do everyday going to work, and for


           15              the first time I looked at the sign it said,


           16              "Mt. Pleasant Corporate Center," and the


           17              upper right-hand corner I saw something that


           18              shocked me it said -- there was a little


           19              sign that said, "KOZ/KOEZ approved."


           20                      Did I miss something?  Because I


           21              know that wasn't approved by the school


           22              board.


           23                      MS. FANUCCI: The extension wasn't


           24              approved, but there is still I believe


           25              remaining two years on the KOEZ or what is






            1              it until --


            2                      MS. EVANS: 2013.


            3                      MR. SPINDLER: Oh, is that what it


            4              is?


            5                      MS. FANUCCI: Yes, so there is a few


            6              more years on it.


            7                      MR. SPINDLER: Thank you.  A few


            8              weeks ago, Mrs. Evans, you spoke about Mrs.


            9              Aebli saying the Connell building is an


           10              ongoing project.  I think it was only like a


           11              day or two later the Doherty newsletter


           12              stated that the developer needs more money


           13              now, there is nothing being done.  Where


           14              does he expect that money to come from?  If


           15              these people want to develop building in our


           16              city and don't have money, they shouldn't


           17              come to council for money.  If they don't


           18              have it themselves they shouldn't come here


           19              and try to develop anything, and I hope he


           20              doesn't come to council for more money


           21              because this city just doesn't have anymore


           22              money to give out.


           23                      For the last few days I had the


           24              opportunity to drive up Mulberry Street.


           25              Between the blocks of Taylor and Harrison on






            1              Mulberry there were many, many, many


            2              pavecuts made, especially between Prescott


            3              and Harrison.  There has to be anywhere from


            4              10 to 15 pavecuts.  They are not filled in


            5              all of the way and it's terrible to drive on


            6              the streets.  I don't know if that's PennDOT


            7              or the city, but I hope those streets are


            8              going to be blacktopped pretty soon because


            9              it's like driving on a minefield there.


           10                      Next thing, Mrs. Evans, quite a few


           11              months ago you made a request when I said


           12              something about the lines on Mifflin and


           13              Mulberry and nothing has still been doing.


           14              There is still people making wrong turns


           15              from different lanes if we can look into


           16              that again, please?


           17                      MS. EVANS: Yes.


           18                      MR. SPINDLER: Thank you.  And


           19              lastly, I said I was going to do this until


           20              the election, we have three weeks to go


           21              until the election, November 3, and we need


           22              a mayor who wants to be mayor of our city


           23              and only our city and not galavanting trying


           24              to raise money to be governor, so I'm urging


           25              everybody on November 3 to not for Chris






            1              Doherty and write someone else in who wants


            2              to be mayor of our city.  Thank you.


            3                      MR. MCGOFF: Ronnie Ellman.


            4                      MR. ELLMAN:  Ronnie Ellman, member


            5              of the Taxpayers' Association.  Hello,


            6              council.  You all ready?  I find it


            7              inconceivable and totally unconscionable


            8              that this pathetic biased excuse of a


            9              newspaper continually leaves local items out


           10              that are of interest to the whole city, but


           11              we don't mind printing a bunch of blatant


           12              lies like our 6,000 jobs and 500 million


           13              dollars that was brought here.  If you don't


           14              print facts then it's just a lie to me.


           15                      This past election if I was


           16              Mr. DiBileo I would have mastered or passed


           17              some filthy dirty tactics that Mr. Doherty


           18              used, but I understand Mr. DiBileo is too


           19              much of a gentleman to meet those tactics.


           20                      You know, there was a political


           21              meeting last week and it should have been


           22              covered.  Just trying -- this newspaper


           23              trying to avoid it and that's not helping.


           24              You know, Andy said a couple of what during


           25              the summer about everyone has a right when






            1              some signs were taken and all and I


            2              certainly agree with them.  I got a whole


            3              bunch of things here, but I'm not going to


            4              get involved with getting everybody all


            5              alienated today.


            6                      It seems to me it's past due time


            7              for the city to get out of the real estate


            8              business.  We have just lost -- we lost in


            9              the motels with everything being touched it


           10              just turned sour on the city.  The taxpayers


           11              there is just nothing left.  You just can't


           12              go back.  Last night I heard a discussion


           13              that all of the state pension plans will be


           14              coming in pretty soon and going up ten of


           15              millions of dollars more in taxes.  This


           16              city is just so totally mismanaged.  Where


           17              is it going to come from?


           18                      Every day I read the real estate


           19              notices to see how much property Lackawanna


           20              College is going to take over.  The


           21              University, according to Mr. Phillips in


           22              15 years, they shorted school board out of I


           23              think he said $28 million.  That's just the


           24              school board.  In another 15 years if


           25              Lackawanna College has their way we'll be






            1              shorted out their 20, 15, $20 million, it's


            2              just -- where is the money going to come


            3              from?  A fourth of the city is not paying


            4              taxes.  We are losing more -- you know, we


            5              are losing houses all of the time, they are


            6              being -- blight, torn down, burn down.


            7              People are losing them left and light.  I'd


            8              like see how -- where is this tax base?


            9              What are we going to do about it?  You know,


           10              nobody has any answers.


           11                      I don't see why anybody would want


           12              to be the mayor of this city personally, but


           13              I certainly it's time we had some new fresh


           14              blood in there because it's been mismanaged


           15              by a phony and a fraud for years.  It's


           16              just -- it's just can't go on.  You know, we


           17              don't need more million dollars sidewalk and


           18              we don't need no $1,500 a month apartments


           19              downtown for students.  I have talked to


           20              some students, I was having my car washed


           21              down at Able Brake briefly and there was


           22              some boys in the parking lot that recognized


           23              me from coming down here and we were


           24              talking.  I said, "You know, why don't you


           25              move into these $1,500 a month apartments?"






            1                      Everybody is snickered and had --


            2              they are supposed to be for students.  Now


            3              they don't have money to finish them.  You


            4              know, it just doesn't go.  Just like it was


            5              just said, if they don't have money for


            6              their projects can them.  You can't keep


            7              falling back on the public in this city.


            8              It's just not there.  The people just don't


            9              have it.  Thank you.


           10                      MR. MCGOFF: Bill Jackowitz.


           11                      MR. JACKOWITZ: Good evening, City


           12              Council.  Bill Jackowitz, South Scranton


           13              resident.  The next four years Scranton will


           14              have three new council members and more than


           15              likely the same mayor, that is if the mayor


           16              is not elected to the governor's seat.  If


           17              he is elected, then Scranton basically has


           18              an all new city government.  That would be a


           19              perfect opportunity for Scranton to start


           20              making changes and improve the city for all


           21              of the people, not just the chosen few.


           22                      Remember, the mayor is not always


           23              correct and neither are the council members.


           24              There are some very intelligent speakers who


           25              come before this council with some very good






            1              ideas and are ignored.  I feel that Mayor


            2              Doherty made a big mistake by not attending


            3              city council meetings occasionally.  If


            4              council would have monitored the Parking


            5              Authority, Recreation Authority and Housing


            6              Authority possibly they would not be in the


            7              position that they are in.  Some council


            8              speakers have spoken before the authorities


            9              and have been ignored just like they are


           10              ignored at council meetings.  The speakers


           11              were pointing out the problems and costs,


           12              but yet they were ignored by the authorities


           13              and the elected officials.


           14                      Also, I feel that far too many votes


           15              have been taken without council members


           16              realizing and knowing what exactly they were


           17              voting for.  The City of Scranton has some


           18              very serious financial problems plus this


           19              there a very little to offer.  The working


           20              people of Scranton, the wages are just too


           21              low and I am still waiting for all of these


           22              high paying jobs that have been promised by


           23              the Chamber of Commerce and city government.


           24                      In the local metro area, 5.7 percent


           25              of mortgage payments are 90 days or more






            1              delinquent.  That figure is up 48 percent,


            2              48 percent from 2008, which was just last


            3              year.  Homeowners have a choice, do I pay my


            4              mortgage or do I pay my taxes?  Pay me now


            5              or pay me later?


            6                      Also, I would like to know has the


            7              project in the 500 black of Lackawanna


            8              Avenue been completed?


            9                      MS. FANUCCI: I don't believe it's


           10              finished, Bill.


           11                      MR. JACKOWITZ: Okay.


           12                      MS. FANUCCI: They are working on it,


           13              I know that there is people there today, but


           14              I don't believe it's 100 percent finished


           15              yet, I'm not sure.


           16                      MR. JACKOWITZ: Does anybody know if


           17              we have any tenants for any of those


           18              buildings yet?


           19                      MS. FANUCCI: I have no idea.  We


           20              could send a letter to the owners and see if


           21              you want.


           22                      MR. JACKOWITZ:  Yeah, if you could


           23              find that out for me, Sherry, I would


           24              appreciate it.


           25                      MS. FANUCCI:  I definitely will.






            1                      MR. JACKOWITZ: With your permission,


            2              Mr. McGoff, I would like to ask each council


            3              member one question.


            4                      MR. MCGOFF: Depends on what the


            5              question is?


            6                      MS. JACKOWITZ:  The question is, if


            7              the 2010 budget is short will you vote for


            8              more bonds or will you vote to raise taxes


            9              or neither of the two?


           10                      MR. MCGOFF: I will ask the members


           11              if they care to respond?  Mrs. Evans?


           12                      MS. EVANS: Before I would entertain


           13              either of those possibilities I think there


           14              are a great deal of cuts that could be made


           15              to the budget that have not occurred in the


           16              last seven to eight years and I'm not


           17              speaking specifically to manpower as much as


           18              I am to a leaner management team and more


           19              appropriate salaries to replace the


           20              monumental salary increases that have been


           21              awarded.


           22                      MR. MCGOFF: Mrs. Fanucci?


           23                      MS. FANUCCI: I certainly would have


           24              to look at the entire budget.  I'm going to


           25              say that I would entertain probably more of






            1              a bond than I would a tax increase, but


            2              hopefully that will be the case and I do


            3              agree that we need to make some cuts.


            4                      MR. MCGOFF: Mr. Courtright?


            5                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  I would go with the


            6              other two council members just said.  First


            7              I would like to see what kind of cuts we


            8              could make and if all the cuts are made then


            9              I would deem it necessary and there was


           10              still a short fall then I would look at


           11              those other two options.


           12                      MR. MCGOFF: And I would prefer to


           13              wait until the -- rather than dealing


           14              hypothetically when it does occur what


           15              options are available.


           16                      MR. JACKOWITZ: Okay.  I thank all


           17              three council members for answering the


           18              questions and I respect you also,


           19              Mr. McGoff.


           20                      MR. MCGOFF:  Joanne Williams.


           21                      MS. WILLIAMS:  Good evening.  Joanne


           22              Williams, city resident.  Well, I'd first


           23              like to touch on what Mike said about the


           24              homeless.  It's an unfortunate thing.  I see


           25              it under the Harrison Avenue bridge not far






            1              where I live where I walk my dog.  I see


            2              poverty, also.  I see foreclosures, but it's


            3              not only a Scranton problem.  That's what I


            4              don't get.  People come up here and make you


            5              realize and think it's only -- it's not only


            6              a Scranton problem, you know, unfortunately,


            7              we are in hard economic times in this


            8              country.


            9                      People wonder why I come here


           10              certain times, I come here because like I


           11              said before I love this city and I do


           12              believe in this mayor and I believe in


           13              candidates and I stand by them.  Someone


           14              needs to have the courage to come up here


           15              and state what they believe in rather than


           16              the majority sitting here does or does not.


           17                      You know, I don't want to -- last


           18              week I heard -- I don't watch city council.


           19              I don't watch myself, you know, I read the


           20              newspaper, people approach me tell me this


           21              was said, that was said.  Mrs. Krybom had a


           22              few things to say about me last week about


           23              why I was not concerned about the mayor


           24              running for governor.  Well, if that's his


           25              choice, that's his choice, you know.  I feel






            1              he has done a good job being mayor.  You


            2              know, I said it before, Mrs. Evans ran for


            3              state rep and I didn't hear Mrs. Evans


            4              complaining then, and let's go to


            5              Mr. Spindler, my name was mentioned once


            6              again, wanted to know why I attend meetings


            7              during an election time.  Once again I will


            8              say anyone can attend these meetings.  You


            9              know, it's our right.  And believe me,


           10              Mr. Spindler --


           11                      MR. MCGOFF: Please, address counsel.


           12                      MS. WILLIAMS: I'm addressing you,


           13              Mr. McGoff.


           14                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.


           15                      MS. WILLIAMS: I didn't get any


           16              political favors from Mr. Doherty -- or


           17              Mayor Doherty.  I know what hard economic


           18              times are.  I lost $20,000 from a contractor


           19              this spring and I'm about to lose my home,


           20              too, and Mayor Doherty hasn't come running


           21              to me or any political people, and I don't


           22              expect him to, so I want to make that clear,


           23              too.  I'm tired of that.


           24                      Mrs. Stulgis spoke about this person


           25              about running with a record which I strongly






            1              am against, okay?  She brought up about him


            2              having, you know, such a small thing as open


            3              beer cans, traffic violation, parking


            4              tickets, boy, I remember, Mrs. Fanucci, when


            5              you had parking tickets they were ready to


            6              put you in jail and throw the key away, you


            7              know?


            8                      MS. FANUCCI: That's true.


            9                      MS. WILLIAMS:  But now it's okay


           10              from a police officer, it's okay to have


           11              that.  I am hoping that the Taxpayers' Group


           12              when they interview -- when they interview


           13              candidates they have the courage to ask


           14              candidates, like ask you guys a few weeks


           15              ago, "Do you have a record?  Do you have a


           16              record?  Do you have a record?"


           17                      All of you said, "No." I hope not.


           18              I don't want you sitting there you if you


           19              have a record.  I don't want to associate


           20              with someone sitting there who has a record.


           21                      My last thing, too, is I had the


           22              pleasure of walking through Nay Aug Park


           23              yesterday and I walk up to people and talk


           24              to them.  Wayne County, Dunmore, Moosic,


           25              Clarks Summit, they express how much they






            1              enjoy the park.  Positive changes since the


            2              mayor took office.  The man from Moosic


            3              spoke of how he grew up in the Hill Section


            4              and since the improvements in the city him


            5              and his wife are going to be purchasing a


            6              house on Colfax Avenue.


            7                      Another mom talked to me and also


            8              stated about the handicapped swingset which


            9              she is from Clarks Summit, has a neighbor


           10              who has a handicapped child and I think


           11              Mr. Doug Miller spearheaded that and he was


           12              on Junior City Council.  There are lot of


           13              positive things.  They also spoke about how


           14              they enjoyed the beauty of the park,


           15              Christmas light display.  They don't


           16              understand the negativity that goes on here


           17              week after week after week.  I didn't see


           18              last week's meeting.  I heard it was


           19              atrocious.  I'm just going to finish this,


           20              give me a few minutes, if I may, Mr. McGoff.


           21                      MR. MCGOFF:  Please quickly.


           22                      MS. WILLAIMS:  Oh, I will quickly.


           23              It's about time that the people start


           24              thinking when they go to vote.  You better


           25              think and think hard because that person who






            1              I said about this record does have one start


            2              investigating, start looking into it --


            3                      MR. MCGOFF: Please.


            4                      MS. WILLIAMS: -- start doing that.


            5              I'm done.  Mr. McGoff, let me say this to


            6              you, okay?  No, I'm going to say it to you.


            7                      MR. MCGOFF: Mrs. Williams --


            8                      MS. WILLIAMS: No, Mr. McGoff, I'm


            9              going to say this to you.  You let other


           10              people finish, but you don't let me finish.


           11                      MR. MCGOFF: I --


           12                      MS. WILLIAMS: You know, I don't


           13              think that's fair.


           14                      MR. MCGOFF: I let you finish.  Thank


           15              you.


           16                      MS. WILLIAMS:  No. No. You let other


           17              people ramble on longer than I, but you cut


           18              me off quite often, you know, and I do not


           19              appreciate that, Mr. McGoff, not at all and


           20              you are a Mayor Doherty person --


           21                      MR. MCGOFF: Please.


           22                      MS. WILLIAMS: And that just goes to


           23              prove --


           24                      MR. MCGOFF: You are out of order.


           25                      MS. WILLIAMS: And that goes to






            1              prove, you know, I'm not looking for favors


            2              from anybody.


            3                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.  David


            4              Dobrzyn.


            5                      MS. WILLIAMS: Thank you, Mr. McGoff.


            6              Real funny, isn't it?  See, you let them


            7              laugh at me and not bang your gavel.  That's


            8              the problem.


            9                      MR. DOBRZYN:  Good evening, Council.


           10              Dave Dobson, resident of the Scranton,


           11              member of the Taxpayers'.  On that last


           12              note, anybody that appears before the


           13              Taxpayers if they have a criminal record


           14              will be undoubtedly exposed by their


           15              political enemies, so what do they need me


           16              for?


           17                      Now, something was mentioned here


           18              about pensions and a few weeks ago we had a


           19              little conference on pensions from a local


           20              school board director and there was also a


           21              write-up in the Times about it on pensions


           22              due to the fact that they are not funded


           23              from the school board by 2012 I think you


           24              can expect about an average of $730.


           25                       One of the things that drives me






            1              crazy about politicians anymore is that they


            2              also seem to legislate something that's


            3              going to take effect long after they're out


            4              of office.  The next guy gets the hit for it


            5              like our electric bills.  That was a Ridge


            6              deal and now if the state backs out of it,


            7              undoubtedly there will be some subsection of


            8              the contract that says, well, if they are


            9              not going to go through with it and the


           10              state gets to pay the rest of the bill and


           11              PPL has a right to sue, so people should


           12              really be aware of that in the future and,


           13              for instance, trade packs they always get


           14              negotiated for the next guy's term on a


           15              national basis.  So, you know, I was no


           16              lover of George Bush, but I will concede


           17              that he got hit with an awful lot of


           18              problems that the trade packs the previous


           19              administration, was caused by the previous


           20              administration and their unwillingness to


           21              just take it on as a challenge.


           22                      Now, I would like to bring up the


           23              subject of this homeless situation and


           24              everybody should be concerned about it.  I'm


           25              not criticizing the homeless for this, but






            1              in this country I seen on a documentary, if


            2              a person is homeless for three years for


            3              every three years of homelessness there is


            4              $155,000 bill left behind at the hospital


            5              that these people get kicked, punched, run


            6              over or whatever, shot, stabbed, raped or


            7              whatever, and then the hospital has a big


            8              bill that they can't turn anybody away by


            9              law and by their own ethics and somehow


           10              $155,000 bill gets left behind and certainly


           11              a homeless person doesn't have the money for


           12              a top notch medical policy or something like


           13              that, so that's something to consider.


           14                      And what I'm leading up to is we


           15              really need to start to lobby.  Town


           16              government can do a little bit but they're


           17              basically powerless, they don't have the


           18              resources to deal with national issues and


           19              you can thank both of the Democrats and the


           20              Republicans for these trade packs.  Too many


           21              countries I have seen and checked into it


           22              and people work at the business end of a


           23              machine gun, so it's not real fair trade,


           24              it's just something some corporation, a


           25              bunch of Nazi scum that want to --






            1                      MR. MCGOFF: Please.


            2                      MR. DOBSON: -- want to take


            3              advantage of the poor in this world and they


            4              don't bring up their living standard.  What


            5              can you do locally here?  Well, as soon as


            6              we get our other business out of the way we


            7              really better look into a food drive and let


            8              state, federal and the representatives know


            9              that this problem has to start to be dealt


           10              with.  It's been going on for 30 years.


           11              They started to appear in 1980 and, yeah,


           12              you know, the best answer to a solution to


           13              socialism is a good job market.  You know,


           14              everybody says, oh, oh socialism.  Ooh.


           15              Ooh.  Well, it's all -- socialism is a poor


           16              substitute for a good job market and the


           17              people who had work and other than a few


           18              people that have illness issues and so forth


           19              and a decent paycheck coming in they


           20              wouldn't have to worry about this.


           21                      And in the future I think instead of


           22              a party we should spend the OECD or OCED


           23              money on, once again, trying to attract


           24              industries in this area, real industries


           25              that produce goods not just -- not just






            1              restaurants that somehow go under two years


            2              later and then you have to sue them and


            3              maybe you will get your money and maybe


            4              every other restaurant that they own the


            5              chain is in the same shape and this one is


            6              two steps behind it and you are going to get


            7              pennies on the dollar for what you spent.


            8                      But I feel a lot of these


            9              development money was intended to mitigate


           10              some of the China trade packs and the NAFTA


           11              trade packs and it just wasn't used for the


           12              right purpose, so something to consider and


           13              we really do have to try and get these


           14              people a thumbs up even though --


           15                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.


           16                      MR. DOBRZYN: We are probably getting


           17              settled with people up and down the valley,


           18              too.


           19                      MR. MCGOFF: Any other speakers?


           20                      MS. HUMPHRIES:  I want to move


           21              forward, I don't want to move backwards.


           22              When all of yous were running I'm sure


           23              nobody cut you off.  I'm not rich.  I don't


           24              have a college education.  I want to run for


           25              city council.  I felt a lot of people have






            1              been clueless when they got on this seat and


            2              then they learned as they went along.  I am


            3              for the poor, the downtrodden, the Veterans


            4              our police, our fire department, our postal,


            5              but most of all our Veterans and our


            6              children.  I don't intend to knock at doors.


            7              I intend to knock at hearts.


            8                      Over the years what has transpired


            9              with me and the documents I have not


           10              under -- not really looking at the time,


           11              they will be used for what I plan to do.  In


           12              the process of this, I ask everybody to pray


           13              for me.  I ask that God reigns in this place


           14              in Scranton, Pennsylvania.  I ask and I


           15              besiege all the children.  The children are


           16              hurting.  They are hurting.  The poor are


           17              hurting.  This national budget that the


           18              number is 101 I represent the mother of the


           19              101 tears.  I lived in Washington


           20              temporarily, my apartment was 101.  One is


           21              for the OD the zero represents Omega and one


           22              is fr the new eve.


           23                      Our forefathers brought here the


           24              constitution of the United States brought


           25              Christianity.  They took the land away from






            1              American Indians and they striped it.  They


            2              striped them like Jesus.  What I plan on


            3              doing and I would like to meet with city


            4              council because over the years when I told


            5              them what has happened to me I was


            6              misdiagnosed.  I was exonerated of any


            7              mental disorder other than post-traumatic


            8              stress.


            9                      My home has been pillaged.  I have


           10              been attacked.  Every week there is


           11              violence.  Now we have the bug situation.


           12              Well, I will tell you the truth about the


           13              bug situation, when I came I was told by --


           14              I won't mention their names, brought it to


           15              the office at Mulberry Tower in Trenton they


           16              were embarrassed, but I was telling the


           17              truth, but when I went to the hospital I


           18              brought the bugs and what transpired there


           19              is they says they were not normal bugs, they


           20              were lavatory bugs.


           21                      They also put maggots in my


           22              apartment, I took those out.  Now, mind you,


           23              I have a lot of things in my house.  A lot


           24              was taken away from me by illegal lawyers


           25              and judges that would be revealed and they






            1              will be removed from their seat I want you


            2              to know right now.


            3                      It's a felony if you stand before


            4              everybody and proclaim truth and truth in


            5              the highest of God and your life, people


            6              should really act upon it.  I have asked


            7              numerous people to come into my apartment,


            8              but they treated me like a witch, an evil


            9              person.  Well, on October 20 I will be in


           10              court.  My hearing is going to be for the


           11              Glory of God and to put God back in our


           12              country.


           13                      Now, last week there was a boy that


           14              came here I kind of heard he said he wanted


           15              the cross and the star taken off of the


           16              police and security guards.  Well, I'll tell


           17              him this, if that's the great way, the way I


           18              heard it, I'm not too sure, I represent the


           19              Cathedral, the Magnifica and St. Thomas


           20              Aquinas and the Holy Catholic Church.  I


           21              wanted to reign of David and of Jesus and if


           22              you don't believe that then you got a lot to


           23              think about it.


           24                      Our mission is of divine forgiveness


           25              and love of each other, but sometimes you






            1              have to step back, step back because we do


            2              have police, we do have FBI, we do have


            3              homeland security and these boys to the job


            4              of God, the Lord Jesus Christ.


            5                      So I'm going to leave with this, if


            6              anybody wants to speak to me, if anybody


            7              wants to see my documents which I did get my


            8              documents that showed I was attacked, my


            9              medical, and I was told by the city council


           10              get a lawyer.  Well, like 97 percent of the


           11              lawyers are --


           12                      MR. MCGOFF: It's your time, Phyllis.


           13                      MS. HUMPHRIES:  Listen, I love yous,


           14              let's move forward, not backward.


           15                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.


           16                      MS. HUMPHRIES:  That's all I ask.


           17              God bless you, and, please, just like a


           18              child when people come up here.


           19                      MR. MCGOFF: Next.


           20                      MS. HUMPHRIES: Treat them as your


           21              children, how you treat your children, your


           22              wife and your family.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.


           24                      MS. HUMPHRIES: And you will go so


           25              far ahead.  God Bless you.






            1                      MR. MCGOFF: Next speaker.


            2                      MS. HUMPHRIES: And Barry Gordon, if


            3              he wants to come --


            4                      MR. MCGOFF: Please.  There is


            5              someone else that wishes to speak.  Thank


            6              you.


            7                      MS. GALLAGHER-HAHN: Good evening.


            8              My name is Ann Marie Gallagher-Hahn, and I


            9              live at 816 Gibbons Street.  My deceased


           10              son, he got killed about five years ago,


           11              built the apartment that I'm living in and


           12              the four townhouses in the back and that is


           13              the 2100 block of South Irving Street and


           14              that's deplorable.  It's right across from


           15              Connell's Park, which is beautiful, and just


           16              perpendicular to it across the street is


           17              where my son built these townhouses, it was


           18              never paved.


           19                      In fact, Channel 16 came there a


           20              couple of years ago and told them about it


           21              and they -- all they did there it was graded


           22              a little bit and today it's even worse.


           23              Then he built right on that street for the


           24              disabled people from Marywood and they live


           25              there permanently.  He built that home that






            1              they are living on on Irving Avenue, and I


            2              have gone to so many -- around election day


            3              they promise you everything, Jeff Brazil I


            4              saw -- oh, what's his name now, oh, Donny


            5              Davis, I asked him to put my name down and


            6              he said, yeah, he would tell Jeff Brazil to


            7              put it down.  I kept calling, Jeff Brazil


            8              never even gave me the courtesy to call back


            9              to say when or if the street would be paved.


           10                      Then Charlie -- I called there and


           11              evidently I got Charlie Matthews.  Well, he


           12              was away, but he did have -- he did have the


           13              sense to call me back and he told me he


           14              said, "Well," he said, "lots of our money


           15              was stolen," and he said, "But I'll do


           16              everything I can if I can scrape some money


           17              up for this street."


           18                      MS. FANUCCI: Stolen?


           19                      MS. GALLAGHER-HAHN: But, like I


           20              said, it's 20 years like that.  How long do


           21              we have to wait?  And then another thing my


           22              grandson took it over now and his name is


           23              Jessie Gallagher and he bought just last


           24              year the front of where the townhouses are,


           25              but that would be -- well, on Gibbons Street






            1              and then the side of South Irving.  He


            2              wanted to build another apartment there, but


            3              he certainly is not going to build it, and I


            4              told him this, on a dirt street, so I don't


            5              know this is my last hope is coming here.


            6                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Where do you live?


            7                      MS. GALLAGHER-HAHN:  Pardon?


            8                      MR. COURTRIGHT: 2100 block of


            9              Irving, right?


           10                      MS. GALLAGHER-HAHN:  2100 block of


           11              South Irving.


           12                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Okay.


           13                      MS. GALLAGHER-HAHN: Thank you.


           14                      MR. COURTRIGHT: You're welcome.


           15                      MR. MCGOFF: Other speakers?


           16                      MR. MCCLOE:  Good evening.  My name


           17              is Brett McCloe, Scranton resident and


           18              taxpayer.  First off, I want to apologize to


           19              Mr. McGoff for possibly quoting him out of


           20              context about two weeks ago.  It was not my


           21              intention because words are very important


           22              and should never be taken at face value.


           23              The responsibility is on the citizens to


           24              take the time to decipher the words from


           25              this council because it becomes a basis for






            1              legislations that have been passed, are now


            2              being passed, and will be passed in the


            3              future.  People need to trust the words that


            4              are spoken from our elected officials.


            5                      There has been a lot of talk about


            6              speakers having personal agendas.  This may


            7              be so, but it comes from a place of good.


            8              What's wrong with not wanting the city to be


            9              in such debt?  What's so terrible about


           10              exposing corruption and waste?  Is it so bad


           11              to demand fiscal responsibility?  And most


           12              importantly, who stands to benefit from the


           13              efforts of some council speakers?  Everyone.


           14              This should be a personal agenda for


           15              everybody.


           16                      Where did we go wrong as a society


           17              that we still continue to rebuild and


           18              fortify the same power structure that has


           19              existed for more than 100 years.  Restoring


           20              pride, yes, they sure are.  Back to the


           21              1800's and early 20th century where coal


           22              barons, wealth bankers, textile, iron and


           23              train moguls ruled Scranton by making every


           24              worker indebted to the company in one form


           25              or another.  Those were the grand times for






            1              the very few.


            2                      A 100 years later, they take pride


            3              in trying to repeat that grand old society.


            4              There are new educational barons, new


            5              construction moguls and new wealthy medical


            6              institutions all of whom derive their money


            7              from taxpayer dollars or their ability not


            8              to have to pay those dollars.


            9                      There are new enforcers called NCC


           10              to ensure that you owe your soul to the


           11              company store.  With your legislative


           12              blessing and 25 percent tax increase, you


           13              threw the citizens of this city against the


           14              wall, pointed a NCC weapon at us and ordered


           15              the people to cough it up or hand it out.


           16              Simply because you haven't pulled the


           17              trigger yet doesn't mean that doesn't lessen


           18              the severity of the crime because not all


           19              corruption is illegal and most of it can be


           20              explained away as this council often does.


           21                      A substantial dollar amount is


           22              attached to the so-called personal agendas


           23              of council speakers, $200,000 here, $800,000


           24              there, 25 percent of the city nontaxable


           25              swept underneath hoping and praying we can






            1              get on top of our $4 million gap in our city


            2              budget surrounded by something no other city


            3              of our size can come close to, a


            4              $270,000,000 debt as our Nero watches our


            5              city economically burn to the tune of


            6              hundreds of millions of dollars he prepares


            7              to head for Harrisburg.


            8                      Just because these problems are not


            9              totally something that Scranton -- is unique


           10              to Scranton doesn't mean we should just sit


           11              on the swings at Nay Aug and forget about


           12              them.  One person says this is a place to do


           13              city business.  Well, what kind of business


           14              are we running?  As a city we ask for


           15              success and show us debt.  We yearn for


           16              opportunity, you bring us opportunist.  We


           17              look for the future, you restore a not so


           18              glorious past.  As for hating election time,


           19              why?  This is the time when politicians


           20              count their accomplishments to get into


           21              office or ram legislation through to create


           22              a legacy before they are thrown out.


           23                      I believe the word hypocrite was


           24              used a week ago as a catch phrase of the day


           25              to benefit those who take everything






            1              including your words at face value.  It


            2              takes about two seconds and two brain cells


            3              to look at underneath the issue hypocrisy


            4              and you would find that is a matter of form


            5              or substance.  Mr. Pilcheski's lawsuit was


            6              born out of the need to expose the substance


            7              of corruption and deceit.  While at the


            8              opposite end there seems to be a need to


            9              form a container to maintain and control


           10              dissent at taxpayers' expense, I might add.


           11                      Never fear to practice, reinforce


           12              and participate in citizenship by coming to


           13              these city council meetings which is a


           14              voluntary civic responsibility that is


           15              sponsored by the government, protected by


           16              the constitution and attended by the


           17              citizenry.


           18                      MR. MCGOFF: Anyone else?


           19                      MS. KRAKE: Good evening, Council,


           20              and good evening to all the folks in


           21              Dunmore, especially those that helped us


           22              solve the Channel 61 debacle.  I'm not sure


           23              if everyone is aware that people were having


           24              trouble finding Channel 61, well, because of


           25              some people I got in touch with Comcast who






            1              solved the problem very quickly.  There are


            2              two separate issues and the bottom line is


            3              you can call their call center now and they


            4              will be able to help you.


            5                      First I would like to address Mrs.


            6              Williams.  I think probably we will always


            7              have difference of opinion, but that's what


            8              this podium is for.  Pretty much it comes


            9              down to record versus residency.  Since


           10              Mrs. Williams is so eager to expose what she


           11              wrongly feels is an issue, I would ask her


           12              to embrace an investigation of the rumor of


           13              a possibly residency violation.  This would


           14              be about another candidate since she is so


           15              concerned about the subject of people


           16              lawfully serving on council.  There has been


           17              possible violations of election law,


           18              possible address incorrections, possible --


           19              you know, I hate to sound like Mrs. Williams


           20              so I believe I'm going to stop there.  Once


           21              again, she opens a Pandora's box by going


           22              down the road she travels.


           23                      The second thing I would like to


           24              tell tonight is about an article that


           25              appeared in the Philadelphia Daily News on






            1              October 7.  A city resident who answered


            2              that article has given me permission to read


            3              the letter they wrote.  It's addressed to


            4              the author of the article, Mr. Davies.  She


            5              says, "I'm a resident of Scranton which


            6              Chris Doherty is our mayor.  I had the


            7              opportunity to read your article penned by


            8              you on October 7.  I was wondering where you


            9              got the idea that Scranton is "Now


           10              financially stable and more prosperous"?


           11                      When Chris Doherty took office in


           12              2002 we had a $2.9 million surplus.  This


           13              year we have a $6 million deficit.  In 2002,


           14              we had a long-term debt totaling


           15              approximately $70 million.  Today our debt


           16              is approaching $300 million.  In 2002, we


           17              had debt payments in $3.5 million.  Today


           18              our debt payments are over $16 million."


           19                      That's 19 cents of every tax dollar


           20              collected goes to pay the debt Mayor Doherty


           21              created, that's 20 percent.  Hold that


           22              number in your minds for a moment.  Then she


           23              gives a laundry list:  Our population


           24              continues to decrease; our crime is way up;


           25              our streets are deplorable; our unemployment






            1              rate is the highest in the state and we have


            2              more empty storefronts and "For Sale" signs


            3              on homes than ever before.


            4                      Here is the next dollar amount or


            5              net amount, "Our taxes have been increased


            6              by over 27 percent.  Our sewer rates have


            7              increased over 103 percent.  Our budgets


            8              increased over 46 percent, and I don't


            9              realize -- I don't think this person realize


           10              that she has nailed exactly what happened


           11              here.  Because of our huge borrowing we have


           12              20 percent of every tax dollar collected.


           13              Add that to the 26 percent tax increase, you


           14              now have our 46 percent budget increase in


           15              the seven short years this man has been our


           16              mayor.  Those are the facts.  This is the


           17              elephant in the living room.


           18                      She goes onto say, "Our police


           19              department, fire department and city hall


           20              staffers were cut and numerous patronage


           21              jobs were created in the Sewer, Housing and


           22              Parking Authorities."


           23                      And, in fact, it's rumored our


           24              Parking Authority is about to default on


           25              their bond payments.  The mayor is traveling






            1              through the state telling everyone how


            2              wonderful Scranton is doing under his watch


            3              when our own city documents tell a very


            4              different story.


            5                      I simply have one sentence left?


            6              Thank you kindly.  Please don't believe the


            7              rhetoric Chris Doherty is telling everyone


            8              about Scranton because it simply is not


            9              true.  If you research the city you will see


           10              a very different story than the one you are


           11              reading.  Thank you.


           12                      MS. GERVASI: Good evening.  My name


           13              is Alyssa Gervasi.  I was informed on my


           14              here that Mrs. Evans already spoke on behalf


           15              of Foundation 58, but I know people like


           16              myself, I don't get out of work until 6:30,


           17              so people miss the beginning of the meeting


           18              so I'd just like to repeat and elaborate a


           19              little bit on what Mrs. Evans said.  And


           20              again, thank you for speaking on behalf of


           21              the foundation.


           22                      MS. EVANS: You're welcome.


           23                      MS. GERVASI: Foundation 58 is a


           24              501-C-3 nonprofit organization established


           25              in memory of Hazelton City Deputy Fire Chief






            1              Gabriel Angolite, dedicated to providing


            2              financial assistance to firefighters, police


            3              officers, and emergency medical service


            4              personnel that are diagnosed with cancer.


            5                      It's going to be this Friday,


            6              October 16, at Heil's Place, 1002 Wheeler


            7              Avenue, Scranton, PA, 18510.  The time is


            8              going to be 5:00 to 9:00.  It's going to be


            9              a $5 donation at the door and any -- if you


           10              cannot come any donations you may feel free


           11              to e-mail me at AMCG933@aol.com.  The


           12              entertainment will be Jaconda Cortozo from


           13              -- who is the lead singer from Lesson One.


           14              Also, Grace's downfall and no where slow.


           15              They are all really great bands in the City


           16              of Scranton so you are also supporting your


           17              local music.


           18                      We have also 50/50's, basket raffles


           19              and Leigh Sophia jewelry sales, which is --


           20              that's my business and I'm also donating 10


           21              percent of my commission back to the


           22              foundation.  Please everybody come out.


           23              It's a really great cause and I hope to see


           24              you all there.  Support those who help you


           25              every day.  Thank you.






            1                      MR. ANCHERANI: Good evening.  Nelson


            2              Ancherani, First Amendment Rights.  Since


            3              September 8 I have been asking about the


            4              status of the Connell building.  Ms. Evans


            5              said on September 29 at last week's council


            6              meeting a city resident asked for an update


            7              on the Connell building project.  Miss


            8              Aebli, OECD director responds as follows:


            9              "Please be assured that the Connell building


           10              is still an active ongoing project.  This


           11              office is in communication with Scranton


           12              Connell, LP, on a regular basis."


           13                      I wonder if Miss Aebli knew this


           14              prior to October 2 from the slimes, and if


           15              she did why didn't she report it, that the


           16              Connell building project halted as owner


           17              seeks financing, and that was by David


           18              Volchak, staff writer, published October 2,


           19              2009.  I guess $23 million isn't enough.  A


           20              state gave a $5 million grant, how much did


           21              the city put into this project, anyone know?


           22              And from the February 24, 2009, council


           23              agenda, three pieces of legislation approved


           24              2 1/2 million to the Connell building, an


           25              example is Growing Greener.  Thanks Anthony






            1              in Scranton for that info.


            2                      I hate to be skeptical, but I see


            3              shades of the Southern Union building and


            4              also the 722,000 defaults by three


            5              businesses that got OECD loans.


            6              Translation, taxpayers' money.


            7                      And I would like to know who drafted


            8              the gun legislation?  Does anyone know


            9              specifically who wrote that legislation?


           10                      Last week Mrs. Gatelli had a


           11              meltdown and started chastising the council


           12              audience unleashing a tirade against the


           13              speakers.  She referred to us as the crew


           14              out there.  According to her we come with


           15              our agendas and highjack the meetings.  At


           16              least she didn't call us pathetic again.  I


           17              can't remember if she called us terrorists.


           18              She remarked about us not going to county


           19              meetings and complaining about Cordaro


           20              raising county taxes 48 percent.  Did she


           21              forget Cordaro got voted out of office?


           22              People did do something.  Only in Scranton


           23              do the voters vote people into office who


           24              voted to raise their taxes 25 percent.


           25              Example, Mr. McGoff.






            1                      The voters voted the other two out


            2              of office who voted for that 25 percent city


            3              tax increase, Ms. Fanucci and Ms. Gatelli.


            4              Mrs. Gatelli even picked on me.  That's


            5              okay.  It doesn't bother me, but what she


            6              has to remember she gets paid to be here, we


            7              don't.


            8                      Also, Mrs. Fanucci when she spoke


            9              took up Mrs. Gatelli's cause and also went


           10              after the council speakers.  She started


           11              about the speakers passing notes in the back


           12              of the room, let's see, what council person


           13              had a laptop in front of them and was that


           14              person getting notes passed to them by


           15              e-mail and from who.  Anyone know who that


           16              was?  Let's see, what council person had


           17              their Blackberry with them and was getting


           18              tax messages while counciling at the


           19              meeting?  We know who that was.  What


           20              council person makes Monday trips into the


           21              mayor's office for Tuesday meeting marching


           22              over.


           23                      MS. FANUCCI: Never.  Never once.


           24                      MR. ANCHERANI: Anyone know who that


           25              is?  I know who they are and so do they.






            1              Anyway, who cares?  I would like to remind


            2              everyone to stay on the issues, be


            3              observant.  Ms. Williams is coming here to


            4              distract from the issues.  Don't fall victim


            5              to the distractions.  Some of the issues,


            6              300 million long-term debt; 20 million in


            7              raises and new hires over the last 8 years;


            8              eight record city budgets; 5.5 million


            9              American Anglican arbitration loss causing


           10              56 percent Scranton Sewer Authority rate


           11              hike; numerous Recovery Plan violations;


           12              25 percent tax hike while 12 million was


           13              hidden in a secret account and then two


           14              million lost accounting errors.  There is


           15              more.  Thank you.


           16                      MR. MCGOFF: Anyone else?


           17                      MS. EVANS: Good evening.  At last


           18              week's council meeting some speakers raised


           19              serious concerns regarding the dumping of


           20              waste in our rivers by the Scranton Sewer


           21              Authority and the resulting hefty fines


           22              placed against the Sewer Authority by the


           23              Department of Environmental Protection.  In


           24              addition, speakers had previously expressed


           25              concern that the Sewer Authority had failed






            1              to apply for federal stimulus grants at a


            2              time when the authority faces approximately


            3              $150 million in mandated upgrades to our


            4              sewer system.


            5                      Therefore, I would like to invite


            6              Mr. Gene Barrett, executive director of the


            7              Scranton Sewer Authority, to a public caucus


            8              in order that he may explain these recent


            9              developments to council, and more


           10              importantly, to the ratepayers of Scranton


           11              and Dunmore.  With my colleague's agreement,


           12              Kay, I would like to send a letter to


           13              Mr. Barrett inviting him to attend a public


           14              caucus of Scranton City Council to discuss


           15              these issues as early as convenient.  And,


           16              Kay, perhaps we could suggest 5:45 p.m.


           17              caucus time and I would like ECTV to


           18              broadcast this important caucus as well.


           19                      I had already spoken with


           20              Mr. Barrett actually and he has indicated he


           21              would be happy to attend since he, like


           22              myself, firmly believes that municipal


           23              authorities are responsible to the


           24              ratepayers and taxpayers.


           25                      At next week's meeting, council will






            1              cast it's final vote on the 2010 CDBG, that


            2              is, Community Development Block Grant


            3              allocations.  I submitted a list of 12


            4              editions totaling $785,000 to the


            5              allocations previously selected by the mayor


            6              and OECD as well as a list of cuts to the


            7              mayor's and OECD's selections totaling


            8              $785,000 in order to provide full funding


            9              for those organizations and city services I


           10              believe should receive grants.  I base my


           11              decisions on the needs of our struggling


           12              people in this troubling economy as well as


           13              the taxpayers' priorities of police


           14              protection and street paving.


           15                      Further, I noted of many


           16              contradictions in the reasons provided by


           17              OECD for it's refusal to fund numerous


           18              organizations.  Consequently, I am


           19              interested to learn if my changes to the


           20              allocations will be accepted or denied.


           21                      As one of our speakers, I think


           22              Mrs. Krake, mentioned a few minutes ago,


           23              about difficulty viewing Channel 19, in the


           24              last week I received numerous complaints


           25              from Comcast subscribers who couldn't






            1              receive Channel 19 on their television sets


            2              and consequently I, too, spoke to Liz


            3              Sterner, senior director of government


            4              affairs for Comcast about this issue.


            5                      Mrs. Sterner states that Comcast


            6              subscribers who cannot receive Channel 19,


            7              the government access channel, should call


            8              Comcast at 1-800-Comcast to report the


            9              problem.  A service technician will be sent


           10              to your home to fix the problem which can be


           11              one of two things:  First, at one time


           12              Channel 19 was a premium channel offering,


           13              for example, Homebox or Cinemax.  Anyone who


           14              had a basic cable at that time had a trap in


           15              his home which prevented him from receiving


           16              these premium channels.  That trap may still


           17              be in operation and the technician must


           18              remove it.


           19                      The second problem is that the


           20              television and cable need to be reprogrammed


           21              by the service technician.  Either way, the


           22              technician will be able to correct this and


           23              you will receive Channel 19 and Channel 21.


           24                      Most importantly, Miss Sterner


           25              states there will be no charge for the






            1              service technician visit.  Comcast is aware


            2              of the situation and is anxious to work with


            3              all subscribers to correct it.  Please call


            4              Comcast as soon as possible.


            5                      Next, I learned last week that a


            6              group of volunteers joined together to


            7              cleanup the Washburn Street Cemetery this


            8              past weekend.  Family members of the


            9              deceased and a generous landscaper worked


           10              tirelessly to improve long deplorable


           11              conditions at the cemetery that have been


           12              neglected by it's owner.  This group is


           13              asking for additional volunteers to work at


           14              the Washburn Street Cemetery during the


           15              weekend of November 7 in preparation for


           16              Veteran's Day.


           17                      I thank and admire these families


           18              and the landscaper, but this shouldn't be


           19              the only solution to the problem.  How can


           20              volunteers continue to maintain a cemetery


           21              month after month, year after year?  It is


           22              the responsibility of the cemetery owner and


           23              when he fails to live up to his


           24              responsibilities the city should respond as


           25              it would to any homeowner who allows his






            1              property to become blighted.  The owner


            2              should be fined and the property should be


            3              liened by the city.  It certainly seems to


            4              present a case of selective enforcement of


            5              city ordinances.


            6                      And finally, I have some citizens'


            7              requests for the week:


            8                      First, citizens report that the walk


            9              light located at the corner of Lackawanna


           10              and South Washington Avenue is in need of


           11              repair immediately.  Specifically, it's the


           12              walk light between Alexander's Salon and 434


           13              Lackawanna Avenue.  Last Friday morning


           14              another pedestrian was hit by a car in this


           15              crosswalk area and citizens state that the


           16              walk/don't walk light needs repaired or


           17              adjustment.


           18                      At last week's meeting, I requested


           19              a letter to Daron Northeast located in lower


           20              Greenridge regarding the dust and dirt


           21              pollution suffered by it's neighbors.  Since


           22              then, residents of the Dickson Avenue -- or,


           23              excuse me, residents of Dickson Avenue have


           24              reported that on October 9 at 4:15 a.m., an


           25              18-wheeler vehicle backed up to the Daron






            1              property.  Residents were awakened by it's


            2              revving engine and beeping sounds that


            3              accompany the maneuvers of such large


            4              vehicles.


            5                      In addition, residents reported a


            6              strong odor of diesel fuel.  Such loud


            7              deliveries or collections at these unusual


            8              hours violate city ordinances and health and


            9              welfare of Scranton homeowners.  And so


           10              again, Kay, Daron is to be contacted.


           11                      I have received several complaints


           12              from city residents regarding ECTV's


           13              programming.  In the last weeks, residents


           14              report that religious sermons presented by


           15              independent churches were broadcast.  In


           16              addition, an infomercial for a chiropractic


           17              business, which can be seen on My Space has


           18              been broadcast.  Residents note that this


           19              infomercial was produced by Miss Davis, the


           20              station manager of ECTV.  I would like


           21              letters sent to the Peg Channel Oversight


           22              Committee and to the executive director of


           23              ECTV regarding these complaints.


           24                      Further, I wish to know who


           25              determines programs suitable for airing and






            1              what is the criteria for airing of the


            2              material?  Please justify the broadcasts of


            3              religious sermons and a chiropractor's


            4              infomercial, and I am requesting a response


            5              on or about October 26, 2009.


            6                      In response to the complaint


            7              regarding the streetlights on the Lackawanna


            8              Avenue between the Steamtown Mall and the


            9              Radisson, Municipal Energy Management


           10              reports that the streetlights have been


           11              turned off because another company, Urban


           12              Electric, is currently working on a project


           13              in that area.


           14                      A letter to Mr. Seitzinger: Please


           15              provide council with a list of the abandoned


           16              lots within the City of Scranton on or


           17              before November 6, 2009.


           18                      Please contact utility companies


           19              regarding pavecuts made and not filled


           20              completely on Mulberry Street from Taylor


           21              Avenue to Harrison Avenue; and a second


           22              request to paint the traffic lanes at


           23              Mifflin Avenue and Mulberry Street.  If


           24              this, indeed, is a state responsibility


           25              please notify the appropriate state






            1              department.


            2                      And I am aware that the police


            3              conducted a successful raid on Prospect


            4              Avenue last week and I am hoping that they


            5              will continue such raids in that area.


            6              There are a number of other drug houses in


            7              that close vicinity, and that's it.


            8                      MS. HUMPHRIES: Excuse me, can I


            9              leave you an article of --


           10                      MR. MCGOFF: Please, Phyllis.  No.


           11                      MS. EVANS: I'll get it after the


           12              meeting.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF: Mrs. Fanucci.


           14                      MS. FANUCCI: Yes.  5-E on our agenda


           15              tonight is a loan.  It is a capital needs


           16              loan.  It's going to be $25,000 and the loan


           17              will be at 5 percent interest for the term


           18              of ten years.  The total project cost for


           19              this, this is a downtown fitness, they have


           20              two floors and they will be expending to the


           21              third floor for a spa and also more fitness


           22              equipment.  The total project costs will be


           23              $75,000 and we'll be introducing that


           24              tonight on the agenda.  Also, because of the


           25              state requirements one full-time equivalent






            1              permanent position will be required, and


            2              that is all I have on that.  I have a whole


            3              list of what will be going in and I'm sure


            4              Andy will probably want to give it to him


            5              next week which will be the lockers and the


            6              shower stalls and new equipment and they


            7              will be using the $25,000 pretty well.


            8                      But, I'm not sure, this was a -- let


            9              me just go back.  This was a business that's


           10              been downtown for awhile now.  It was owned


           11              by two partners.  This is a sole partner now


           12              who is taking over the business, so it is


           13              not the same partnership as it was before so


           14              that is why they were expanding the


           15              business, so I will give you the low down on


           16              all of that next week.


           17                      Also, on behalf of one of our


           18              residents I'd like to send a letter, Kay, to


           19              the developers of the 500 block, to


           20              Rinaldis, to find out if they have a target


           21              date set for completion and also to ask if


           22              they have potential tenants and if so what


           23              are the potential tenants and if they can


           24              give us the names of those tenants.  They


           25              probably will not give the names until it's






            1              time, but if they do have potential tenants


            2              it had be nice to know.


            3                      Also, regarding some of the comments


            4              that are made tonight with NCC.  NCC did pay


            5              us the money for the loans, we did get money


            6              from them in the beginning.  It wasn't like


            7              they just decided to take over, so we did


            8              receive money from people who were not


            9              paying their taxes.  The reason being, they


           10              weren't paying their taxes.  One of the


           11              reasons they weren't paying their taxes is


           12              because it was easy not to pay city tax.


           13              Our bills were separated.  You could pay


           14              your county, you could pay your school


           15              district, but you didn't have to pay us.  At


           16              that point, there was really nothing that


           17              was being done.


           18                      So, yes, we did have someone come in


           19              and decide to try to get the money for us.


           20              They have been doing a pretty good job, too.


           21              It wasn't an easy decision and it's not a


           22              great one, but when people are not paying


           23              for years and years it's a good thing to try


           24              to get money back into the city regardless


           25              of penalties and fees.  Yes, that's






            1              terrible, but no different than any of us


            2              have to do with your credit cards or


            3              anything else we are not paying on, it's


            4              unfortunate, but it has to happen.  Why?


            5              Because we still need to pay the employees


            6              of the city.  We still need to pay and keep


            7              the city running, and it's also not very


            8              good to have certain people paying and other


            9              people it's okay for them not to pay.


           10                      So, unfortunately, there are things


           11              you have to do and decisions you have to


           12              make, and I believe that that was a good


           13              one.  Why?  Because we got a lot of money


           14              back.  Money that they were not getting.  I


           15              don't understand why that's such a bad


           16              thing.  We didn't take anybody's house.  We


           17              didn't do anything to that extreme right


           18              now, but what we did is make people step up


           19              and say, "You know what, I better pay now."


           20                      Also in some of the comments made


           21              about lawsuits last week, which I absolutely


           22              love, I'd like to send a letter and, Kay,


           23              I'd like to do this as a Right-to-Know


           24              request, and you can do it from me if you'd


           25              like as an elected official, I'd like to






            1              know how much Joanne and Joe Pilcheksi's


            2              lawsuits have cost the city in the past six


            3              years.  I also would like that sent to the


            4              county.  I'd like to know how many lawsuits


            5              have been filed and what it has cost the


            6              taxpayers.


            7                      We seem to be at a major standstill


            8              in this environment where people want to


            9              know how much a certain city councilwoman is


           10              paying to have herself defended, so let's


           11              get it all out there.  If we are not going


           12              to have frivolous lawsuits and we are not


           13              for spending taxpayers money that is not


           14              prudent to a taxpayer, let's find out about


           15              it, let's see how much we are actually


           16              spending.


           17                      Also with that, Amil, I would like


           18              to request that you look into some


           19              legislation for me on how we can go about


           20              stopping frivolous lawsuits.  At the end of


           21              it all, if nothing happens with these


           22              lawsuits, if there are not any wonderful,


           23              identified problems after all of these suits


           24              are filed then what and who decides and how


           25              do we go about deciding if this can be or






            1              not be because in the long run it is still


            2              the taxpayers' money, which means it's my


            3              money and it's all your money.


            4                      And I know it's okay in certain


            5              environments because when you are friendly


            6              with people you seem to think it's okay if


            7              they are doing it, but in long run it is


            8              costing a lot of money, so let's find out


            9              and let's talk about it and let's see if


           10              then it's okay because it doesn't seem to be


           11              okay on the other end, so let's find out.


           12              So I'd like that for the last -- well, do it


           13              to the eight years.  Let's do the whole


           14              eight years, the last eight years, okay?


           15              And that is all I have.  Thank you.


           16                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I will wait for Kay


           17              to get done writing.  We need to keep you


           18              busy, Kay.  I'm going to ask you to send one


           19              letter.  I don't remember the woman's name


           20              that came about the 2100 block of South


           21              Irving.  Just a brief letter to Jeff Brazil


           22              asking him to respond to us in writing so


           23              that if we have the lady's name we can send


           24              it to her.  If not, then we can -- whether


           25              or not they are going to pave it or not I






            1              think she deserves a response.


            2                      The gentleman that's still in the


            3              back there, I forget your name, I'm not -- I


            4              don't want to go back and forth with you


            5              every week about the homeless.  I think you


            6              have their best interests at heart and I


            7              think we do, also.  I know you said you


            8              looked to us to show some guidance.  I think


            9              we are trying to show some guidance the best


           10              we know how.


           11                      I was contacted this past week by a


           12              speaker here about a woman and her children


           13              that are living, I don't want to say where


           14              it was, in a car, all right?  And I have


           15              gone their twice, I haven't been able to for


           16              lack of a better word catch her because I


           17              don't think some of these people want to be


           18              caught and, as I said before, I don't think


           19              some of them want to be helped and it's


           20              difficult to help somebody that does not


           21              want help.  I don't think any of us up here


           22              in any way mean to be disrespectful to you


           23              or to any of the homeless.  Have some of us


           24              been disrespectful to speakers?  Yes.  Have


           25              some speakers been disrespectful of us?






            1              Yes.


            2                      But when it comes to down to the


            3              homeless I don't think there is anyone up


            4              here that is trying to be disrespectful and


            5              I think you said we weren't compassionate.


            6              I disagree, I think we are all compassionate


            7              when it comes to the homeless, and you also


            8              asked would we support any projects for the


            9              needy?  I think I always have and I always


           10              will.  I think we all know there is a


           11              problem there and the problem is probably


           12              growing because of the economic times that


           13              we have.  I don't know exactly what you


           14              would like for us to do.  I believe you are


           15              indicating that we have homes in the city


           16              that are condemned and you would like for us


           17              to rehab them and put the homeless in there.


           18                      MR. DWYER: I would like that.


           19                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I don't know how you


           20              would go about doing that and one of the


           21              reasons I say that is because I think all of


           22              us, and I have been here for six years and


           23              so has been Mrs. Evans, when they condemn a


           24              house it takes a real long time for us to


           25              take possession of that property.  Does the






            1              city tear down houses?  Yes.  They tear down


            2              houses that we do not have possession of,


            3              all right?  They tear them down for a host


            4              of reasons, one being, you know, a safety.


            5              Just because we tear a house down doesn't


            6              mean the city has possession of that


            7              property, and I think some people


            8              misunderstand that.  So for the city to take


            9              over a home and rehab it and put the


           10              homeless in there would take a great deal of


           11              time, okay?  And there is a whole bunch of


           12              other issues that come with that, so I don't


           13              know how viable your suggestion would be for


           14              that.


           15                      My guess would be that you would


           16              talk to the people in the Vacant Property


           17              Review Board and just, Kay, can give you


           18              this woman's name and see I don't know if


           19              your suggestion is possible.  It's possible,


           20              but I don't know if it's -- if it's a good


           21              suggestion and if it is and it's doable I


           22              don't think anybody up here would disagree


           23              with you, but this will be the last week I


           24              speak on it because I don't want to go back


           25              and forth with you.  I truly believe, I






            1              don't think you believe, but I truly believe


            2              we all have the same thought as you do as


            3              when it comes to the homeless.  I don't


            4              think any of us here want to be


            5              disrespectful or unhelpful or not show


            6              guidance, and I'm going to leave it at that.


            7              And that's all I have.  Thank you.


            8                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.


            9                      MR. DWYER:  May I speak?


           10                      MR. MCGOFF: No.


           11                      MR. DWYER:  He posed us this


           12              question --


           13                      MR. MCGOFF: Mr. Dwyer, you had your


           14              turn.  Thank you.


           15                      MR. DWYER: Yes, Mr. McGoff, but


           16              Councilman Courtright posed those


           17              statements --


           18                      MR. MCGOFF: Mr. Dwyer.


           19                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Sir, if you would


           20              like to speak to me, I'll wait and I'll


           21              speak to you after the meeting, he is not


           22              going to allow you to speak now.  I would be


           23              happy to speak to you after the meeting --


           24                      MR. DWYER: Or maybe next week.


           25                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Or next week.  Yes.






            1                      MR. MCGOFF: Just a couple of quick


            2              comments.  Mr. Spindler, I, too, found


            3              myself agreeing with your letter that was in


            4              the newspaper, so that may be two things


            5              within the last month that we have agreed


            6              on.  What's the world coming to?


            7                      In response, also, to some things


            8              that were mentioned about people being


            9              denied their rights to speak, I don't think


           10              anyone has been denied their right to speak


           11              at this podium.  If anything, I think that I


           12              probably err on the side of the speaker.  I


           13              have been criticized by members of council


           14              for allowing things to be said that they


           15              didn't think were appropriate.  There is


           16              always the attempt to allow people to say


           17              what they feel is, you know, or what


           18              concerns them.  The only thing is


           19              inappropriate is when something is out of


           20              order, that's not concerns of this city that


           21              is, you know, inappropriate for our meeting


           22              and in those cases I have made some attempt


           23              to try and curtail it, but never deny anyone


           24              their right to speak.  I don't think that's


           25              our purpose here.






            1                      Also, I hate to open this again or


            2              to speak on this again, but the situation


            3              with the firearms in council chambers was


            4              something that at that time I thought was


            5              unavoidable.  We have gone over case law, we


            6              have looked at what might have been, you


            7              know, possible solutions to the problem and


            8              very honestly, as I said, I agreed with


            9              Mr. Spindler when he wrote that it was a


           10              very disconcerting situation and I wish we


           11              could have avoided it, but we didn't, we


           12              couldn't, there are laws protecting people


           13              carrying firearms, hopefully we don't have


           14              that problem again and maybe the state,


           15              maybe the state will do something in the


           16              mean time that allow us to deal with that


           17              problem, but at this time we can't.


           18                      And, Mr. Ancherani, I do talk to the


           19              mayor before every meeting.  I think it


           20              would be irresponsible if I didn't.  I think


           21              that's the purpose of or one of the things


           22              that the president of council should do,


           23              find out what legislation is being brought


           24              down, find out what's happening in the city


           25              and appearing at council with that






            1              information.  If I didn't do that, as I


            2              said, I think I would be irresponsible.


            3                      And the last think that I have, and


            4              I should have mentioned before, I just like


            5              a congratulations to the Steamtown Marathon


            6              Committee.  Bill Kane and Kim Cummings, Jack


            7              Martz, John McGovern and others on their


            8              14th Marathon.  It was a great day to run,


            9              runners and others were quite pleased with


           10              the event and it's become an attraction for


           11              the City of Scranton.  Over 2,300 runners


           12              participated this year, a record number, and


           13              hopefully next year even more.


           14              Unfortunately, I wasn't able to participate.


           15              Next year.  And we move to Fifth Order.


           16                      I'm sorry, Mrs. Garvey, before we go


           17              to Fifth Order, I would like to make a


           18              motion to appoint Mr. Courtright the


           19              temporary chairperson for the Committee on


           20              Finance.


           21                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.


           22                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?  All in


           23              favor say aye.  Aye.


           24                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           25                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.






            1                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


            2                      MR. MCGOFF:  Opposed?  The ayes have


            3              it and so moved.  Mrs. Garvey?


            4                      MS. GARVEY: 5-B. FOR INTRODUCTION -






            7              STREET (S.R.3020) AND SEVENTH AVENUE


            8              (S.R.3029) AS PART OF THE MOUNT PLEASANT


            9              CORPORATE CENTER PROJECT.


           10                      MR. MCGOFF:  At this time I'll


           11              entertain a motion that Item 5-B be


           12              introduced into it's proper committee.


           13                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.


           14                      MS. FANUCCI:  Second.


           15                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


           16              in favor signify by saying aye.


           17                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           18                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           19                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           20                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           21              ayes have it and so moved.


           22                      MS. GARVEY: 5-C. FOR INTRODUCTION -






           25              AVENUE (S.R.3029) AND ROUTE 11 NORTHBOUND






            1              RAMPS A&B (S.R.8027) AS PART OF THE MOUNT


            2              PLEASANT CORPORATE CENTER PROJECT.


            3                      MR. MCGOFF:  At this time I'll


            4              entertain a motion that Item 5-C be


            5              introduced into it's proper committee.


            6                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.


            7                      MS. FANUCCI:  Second.


            8                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


            9              in favor signify by saying aye.


           10                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           11                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           12                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           14              ayes have it and so moved.


           15                      MS. GARVEY: 5-D. FOR INTRODUCTION -






           18              AVENUE (S.R.3029) AND ROUTE 11 SOUTHBOUND


           19              RAMPS C&D (S.R.8027/ACCESS) AS PART OF THE




           21                      MR. MCGOFF:  At this time I'll


           22              entertain a motion that Item 5-D be


           23              introduced into it's proper committee.


           24                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.


           25                      MS. FANUCCI:  Second.






            1                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


            2              in favor signify by saying aye.


            3                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


            4                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


            5                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


            6                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


            7              ayes have it and so moved.


            8                      MS. GARVEY: 5-E.  FOR INTRODUCTION -


            9              A RESOLUTION - AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND




           11              CITY OF SCRANTON TO ENTER INTO A LOAN


           12              AGREEMENT AND MAKE A LOAN FROM THE




           14              PROGRAM, PROJECT NO. 150.25 IN AN AMOUNT NOT


           15              TO EXCEED $25,000.00 TO FITNESS 53, INC. TO


           16              ASSIST AN ELIGIBLE PROJECT.


           17                      MR. MCGOFF:  At this time I'll


           18              entertain a motion that Item 5-E be


           19              introduced into it's proper committee.


           20                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.


           21                      MS. FANUCCI:  Second.


           22                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?


           23                      MS. EVANS: This isn't directly


           24              related to this legislation, but I did want


           25              to announce to the public that we received






            1              our first report from the Office of EOCD


            2              concerning all programs and loans that are


            3              conducted through their office.  I believe


            4              it was a September report and I am very


            5              pleased that Miss Aebli has provided that


            6              information.  I am even more pleased that


            7              council is going to have the opportunity


            8              then to keep abreast fully of what


            9              businesses are current and what businesses


           10              are failing to make payments on loans.


           11                      MR. MCGOFF: All those in favor


           12              signify by saying aye.


           13                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           14                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           15                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           16                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           17              ayes have it and so moved.


           18                      MS. GARVEY: SIXTH ORDER.  NO


           19              BUSINESS AT THIS TIME.  SEVENTH ORDER.  7-A.


           20              FOR CONSIDERATION BY THE COMMITTEE ON


           21              FINANCE - FOR ADOPTION - FILE OF COUNCIL NO.


           22              89, 2009 - AMENDING FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 49,


           23              2008, AN ORDINANCE ENTITLED "GENERAL CITY


           24              OPERATING BUDGET 2009" BY TRANSFERRING


           25              $390.00 FROM ACCOUNT NO. 01.040.00040.4201








            2              SERVICES) TO ACCOUNT NO. 01.040.00040.4120






            5              REMAINING 2009 PAYMENTS FOR THE BUSINESS




            7              PREMIUMS.


            8                      MR. MCGOFF:  What is the


            9              recommendation of the temporary Chair for


           10              the Committee on Finance?


           11                      MR. COURTRIGHT: As temporary Chair


           12              for the Committee on Finance, I recommend


           13              final passage of Item 7-A.


           14                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.


           15                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  Roll


           16              call, please?


           17                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.


           18                      MS. EVANS:  Yes.


           19                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Gatelli.  Ms.


           20              Fanucci.


           21                      MS. FANUCCI:  Yes.


           22                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. Courtright.


           23                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Yes.


           24                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes.  I hereby declare






            1              Item 7-A legally and lawfully adopted.


            2                      MS. GARVEY: 7-B. FOR CONSIDERATION


            3              BY THE COMMITTEE ON FINANCE - FOR ADOPTION -


            4              FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 90, 2009 - AMENDING FILE


            5              OF COUNCIL NO. 49, 2008, AN ORDINANCE




            7              2009" BY TRANSFERRING $1,610.00 FROM ACCOUNT


            8              NO. 01.011.00071.4390 (POLICE




           10              NO. 01.011.00071.4120 (POLICE




           12              PROVIDE FUNDING TO COVER THE REMAINING 2009


           13              PAYMENTS FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT


           14              LIFE/DISABILITY INSURANCE PREMIUMS.


           15                      MR. MCGOFF:  What is the


           16              recommendation of the temporary Chair for


           17              the Committee on Finance?


           18                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  As temporary Chair


           19              for the Committee on Finance, I recommend


           20              final passage of Item 7-B.


           21                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.


           22                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  Roll


           23              call, please?


           24                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.


           25                      MS. EVANS:  Yes.






            1                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Gatelli.  Ms.


            2              Fanucci.


            3                      MS. FANUCCI:  Yes.


            4                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. Courtright.


            5                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Yes.


            6                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.


            7                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes.  I hereby declare


            8              Item 7-B legally and lawfully adopted.


            9                      MS. GARVEY: 7-C. FOR CONSIDERATION


           10              BY THE COMMITTEE ON RULES - FOR ADOPTION -


           11              FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 91, 2009 - AUTHORIZING


           12              THE MAYOR AND OTHER APPROPRIATE CITY


           13              OFFICIALS TO ACCEPT AND RECORD A DEED






           16              LOT 173, BLOCK 13, WARD 21 IN THE CITY OF


           17              SCRANTON, TAX MAP NUMBER 13320- 010-034.


           18                      MR. MCGOFF: As Chair for the


           19              Committee on Rules, I recommend final


           20              passage of Item 7-C.


           21                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.


           22                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  Roll


           23              call, please?


           24                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.


           25                      MS. EVANS:  Yes.






            1                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Gatelli.  Ms.


            2              Fanucci.


            3                      MS. FANUCCI:  Yes.


            4                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. Courtright.


            5                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Yes.


            6                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.


            7                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes.  I hereby declare


            8              Item 7-C legally and lawfully adopted.


            9                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Motion to adjourn.


           10                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you for your


           11              participation.


































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            3        I hereby certify that the proceedings and


            4   evidence are contained fully and accurately in the


            5   notes of testimony taken by me at the hearing of the


            6   above-captioned matter and that the foregoing is a true


            7   and correct transcript of the same to the best of my


            8   ability.













                                    CATHENE S. NARDOZZI, RPR

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