1              SCRANTON CITY COUNCIL MEETING








            5                          HELD:




            7                  Tuesday, October 6, 2009




            9                        LOCATION:


           10                    Council Chambers


           11                 Scranton City Hall


           12              340 North Washington Avenue


           13                Scranton, Pennsylvania











































                MS. JANET E. EVANS



            9   MS. SHERRY FANUCCI



                MR. WILLIAM COURTRIGHT



           12   MS. KAY GARVEY, CITY CLERK

                (Not present)





           15   MR. AMIL MINORA, SOLICITOR


























            1                      (Pledge of Allegiance recited and


            2              moment of reflection observed.)


            3                      MR. MCGOFF: Roll call, please.


            4                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.


            5                      MS. EVANS:  Here.


            6                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Gatelli.


            7                      MS. GATELLI:  Here.


            8                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.


            9                      MS. FANUCCI:  Here.


           10                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. Courtright.


           11                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Here.


           12                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF:  Here.  Dispense with


           14              the reading of the minutes.  Third Order.


           15                      MR. MINORA: THIRD ORDER.  REPORTS &


           16              COMMUNICATIONS FROM MAYOR & HEADS OF


           17              DEPARTMENTS AND INTERESTED PARTIES.  3-A.




           19              TO BE HELD ON OCTOBER 14, 2009.


           20                      MR. MCGOFF: Are there any comments?


           21              If not, received and filed.


           22                      MR. MINORA: 3-B. PETITION FOR PERMIT


           23              PARKING ON THE 100 AND 200 BLOCK OF SCHOOL


           24              STREET.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF: Are there any comments?






            1              If not, received and filed.


            2                      MR. MINORA:  There is nothing other


            3              in Third Order reports.


            4                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.


            5              Announcements from council?


            6                      MS. GATELLI:  Yes, I just have two


            7              small ones.  On Saturday, October 24, there


            8              will a benefit for Noah Severino DeSandis.


            9              He was born in June at Moses Taylor Hospital


           10              and he has congenital hypoventilation


           11              syndrome known as Ondine's curses.  It's a


           12              respiratory disorder that's fatal if not


           13              treated.  He received a tracheotomy in July


           14              and will need round-the-clock care and


           15              nursing for years.  The benefits has baskets


           16              and 50/50's at the Tripp Park Community


           17              Center.  Adults $15, children $5.  Food and


           18              beverages will be served, and that's from 3


           19              to 7.


           20                      Also, on Saturday, October 24 from 4


           21              to 7, there will be the annual rigatoni


           22              dinner at the Dante Club in South Scranton.


           23              Tickets are $8.50 for adults, $4 for


           24              children and they will have raffles, and


           25              truly they have the best macaroni in town.






            1              I'm prejudiced, but I speak the truth.  As


            2              an Italian, I know my spaghetti.  If I don't


            3              know about anything else --


            4                      MS. EVANS: Actually, I think it's


            5              the sauce.  It's their secret sauce.


            6                      MS. GATELLI: Yes.  So, that is


            7              October 24 from 4 to 7, and that's all I


            8              have.  Thank you.


            9                      MR. MCGOFF: Mrs. Evans?


           10                      MS. EVANS: Thank you.  Saints Peter


           11              and Paul Roman Catholic Church, 1309 West


           12              Locust Street in Scranton will hold a fall


           13              festival and bazaar October 11 in the church


           14              hall from 11:30 a.m. to 6:00 p.m. The


           15              festival will feature ethnic Polish foods


           16              such as potato pancakes, piggies and haluski


           17              as well as theme baskets, children's stands


           18              and baked goods.


           19                      Dine at Friendly's in Dunmore on


           20              Wednesday, October 14 from 5 to 8 p.m.


           21              Proceeds will benefit the St. Francis of


           22              Assisi Food Kitchen.  Because of your


           23              generosity, last year the Interfaith


           24              Friend's Committee was able to donate over


           25              $6,000 to the food kitchen.  Many people






            1              were fed because of your support.  As we


            2              face the winter months you can make a


            3              difference and feed the needy.


            4                      Channel 61, government access, has


            5              been changed to Channel 19.  Channel 62,


            6              education access, has been changed to


            7              Channel 21 effective Monday, October 5.


            8                      St. Anthony's Church on Wood Street


            9              in Scranton is holding a pasta dinner


           10              tomorrow, Wednesday, and Thursday, October 8


           11              from 5 to 8 p.m.  Tickets are $9 for adults


           12              and $4 for children under ten and are


           13              available at the door.


           14                      An Octoberfest 2009 fundraiser will


           15              be conducted at the Parker House Cafe, 12


           16              East Parker Street, Scranton, on October 17


           17              from 7 to 10 p.m. Tickets are $10 and are


           18              available at the door.  All proceeds benefit


           19              the James M. Lynett speech and debate


           20              invitational tournament.  Celebrate at


           21              Octoberfest and support a great cause.


           22                      And lastly, a dear friend is


           23              hospitalized at this time and, Mr. Fenton, I


           24              wish you very speedy recovery and I ask that


           25              all of you would remember Mr. Fenton in your






            1              prayers.  And that's all.


            2                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Mr. McGoff, I have


            3              one announcements and then I have these


            4              questions and answers that we promised we


            5              would read off here.  Boy Scout Troop 16,


            6              435 Hickory Street, Presbyterian Church is


            7              having their annual spaghetti dinner and


            8              that will October 17 from 4 to 7 p.m. and


            9              the cost will be $8.00 for adults and $4 for


           10              children.


           11                      A few weeks back there was questions


           12              about JAG grants in the police department


           13              that have been asked of council, and I said


           14              that we would either get the grant writer in


           15              here or something to that effect and it was


           16              determined that I don't think she was very


           17              comfortable coming in here, so we asked her


           18              some questions and she responded.  I was out


           19              of town a week ago and that's why we were


           20              late getting back to -- I had some people


           21              call me and ask me why I didn't read them,


           22              but I didn't read them because I wasn't


           23              here.  I was here last week, but the week


           24              prior I wasn't, and I just got them, so if


           25              you bear with me it's going it take a little






            1              bit of time and we are not trying to hide


            2              anything, if anybody wants a copy of the


            3              questions and the answers I will be happy to


            4              give them to you after the meeting, but


            5              please just bear with me.  It's going to


            6              take a little bit of time and I apologize.


            7                      Number one -- and these questions


            8              were asked of the part-time grant writer for


            9              the City of Scranton.  She is full-time for


           10              the county.  "Who hired you as a part-time


           11              grant writer for the City of Scranton?  What


           12              is your initial date of employment in this


           13              part-time position and who is your direct


           14              supervisor as a part-time grant writer for


           15              the City of Scranton?"


           16                      And her answer was, "Chief Elliott


           17              hired me a part-time grant writer with the


           18              Scranton Police Department.  My initial date


           19              of employment I believe was in 2003.  I was


           20              first contracted then.  Mr. Bell was out on


           21              medical leave and that is when I got hired.


           22              My direct supervisor is Dave Elliott.


           23                      Question number two, "Who directed


           24              you to submit the 2008 grant application?


           25              Who directed you to submit the 2009 grant






            1              application?"


            2                      "Chief Elliott directed me to


            3              submitted the 2008 grant application.  Chief


            4              Elliott directed me to submit the 2009 grant


            5              application."


            6                      "Did you inform Chief Elliott that


            7              the 2008 grant application was completed and


            8              ready for submission?  Did you inform Chief


            9              Elliott that the 2009 JAG grant application


           10              was complete and ready for submission?"


           11                      Her answer is, "Yes, I did inform


           12              Chief Elliott when the 2008 JAG grant


           13              application was completed, and I submitted a


           14              copy to him within that week.  Yes, I did


           15              inform Chief Elliott when the 2009 JAG grant


           16              application was completed and I submitted a


           17              copy to him within that week."


           18                      Question four, "Did you believe that


           19              the 2008 JAG grant application was submitted


           20              to the Scranton City Council?  Did you


           21              believe that the 2009 JAG grant application


           22              was submitted to Scranton City Council?  If


           23              so, who informed of either or both were


           24              presented to Scranton City Council?"


           25                      Her answer is, "Yes, I did believe






            1              that the 2008 JAG grant application was


            2              submitted to Scranton City Council.  Yes, I


            3              did believe that the 2009 JAG grant


            4              application was submitted to Scranton City


            5              Council.  No one ever informed me that both


            6              were or were not presented.  Once I informed


            7              Chief Elliott that they needed to go in


            8              front of council 30 days prior to the grant


            9              act was due.  I thought they went through


           10              and I was never told anything different.


           11              After Chief Elliott received copies of the


           12              '08 and '09 JAG grant applications."


           13                      Question number five, "Was Chief


           14              Elliott aware that you submitted either or


           15              both 2008 and 2009 grant applications


           16              without legislation having been sent to


           17              Scranton City Council?"


           18                      "Chief Elliott received copies of


           19              the '08 and '09 JAG grant application within


           20              the week of submission of each grant, so if


           21              he received these grant applications he


           22              would see that they did or did not go before


           23              Scranton City Council on the scheduled


           24              marked days."


           25                      Question number six, "Were you aware






            1              at any time from the date of your hiring to


            2              the date on which you submitted 2009 JAG


            3              grant applications that 2008 and 2009 JAG


            4              grant applications were never presented to


            5              Scranton City Council and the public?"


            6                      Her response is, "The first time I


            7              was ever made aware of the 2008 and '9 JAG


            8              grant applications not being presented to


            9              Scranton City Council was when Mary Theresa


           10              Patterson, who is the city solicitor, and


           11              Stu Renda made Chief Elliott and myself


           12              aware in 2009."


           13                      A couple more.  "Were you aware that


           14              no special account was opened in 2008 by the


           15              City of Scranton in which to receive the


           16              electronic transfers in JAG grant monies?


           17              If so, on what date did you become aware and


           18              who informed you of this?"


           19                      "No, I was not aware, but there is a


           20              JAG account already setup and I believe that


           21              all JAG grant goes into that account.  I was


           22              made aware of this in July by Stu Renda when


           23              the grants never went to council."


           24                      Question eight, "Did you at any time


           25              tell Chief Elliott to present the JAG grant






            1              applications and/or approval of JAG grant


            2              applications to Scranton City Council?  If


            3              so, when did you tell Chief Elliott to do


            4              so?  What was Chief Elliott's response?"


            5                      Her answer is, "Yes, I informed


            6              Chief Elliott on April 2, 2008, to attend


            7              the Scranton City Council meeting that


            8              following Tuesday for approval for the 2009


            9              JAG grant applications.  I do not remember


           10              the exact date of the 2008 JAG grant


           11              applications when I informed the chief, but


           12              it was definitely 30 days before the JAG


           13              grant was due.  Chief Elliott's response


           14              from my question not was, 'Not a problem.'"


           15                      Question number nine, "Is Chief


           16              Elliott correct in stating that you


           17              unfamiliar with the council process of


           18              approving grants as printed in the


           19              September 12, 2009, edition of the Scranton


           20              Times-Tribune?  Is Chief Elliott correct in


           21              stating that you thought he had acquired


           22              approval?  If so, how did you arrive at that


           23              conclusion?"


           24                      The answer, "Chief Elliott was


           25              incorrect in stating that I was unfamiliar






            1              with the process of approving grants since


            2              he has a copy of the grants.  I believe


            3              council was made aware of all grants.  Yes,


            4              Chief Elliott is correct in stating that I


            5              thought he had acquired approval.  I arrived


            6              at that conclusion because once Chief


            7              Elliott received the copies of these grants


            8              I was never aware that he did not attend


            9              these meetings so in my eyes he attended the


           10              meetings."


           11                      "Do you believe that Chief Elliott


           12              is familiar with the grant process?  Explain


           13              your response."


           14                      "I believe Chief Elliott is familiar


           15              with the process of pursuing grant


           16              opportunities in speaking with the mayor to


           17              discuss grant opportunity and informing me


           18              as to what we are applying for, but what I


           19              have seen and heard from Chief Elliott is he


           20              feels that the only time a grant needs to go


           21              before council is when it is approved.  I


           22              made it very clear to him for the 2008-2009


           23              JAG grants it was made clear by the


           24              Department of Justice in the RFP for the


           25              grants and that needed to go in front of






            1              council 30 days before the grant was due."


            2                      There is only two more, hang in


            3              there.  Question 11, "Have you ever compared


            4              the quarterly financial reports for the


            5              Scranton Police Department?  If yes, when


            6              and did you continue to do so?  If you no


            7              longer perform this duty, who currently


            8              performs the quarterly financial reports for


            9              Chief Elliott?  When are these reports due


           10              to the government and are there any


           11              penalties for late filings?  If so, what are


           12              the penalties?"


           13                      I did some financial reports when I


           14              first started helping with Tom Bell and to


           15              do them starting July 2008 until May of


           16              2009.  I would ask Chief Elliott the status


           17              of money spent during each quarter.  I no


           18              longer do these reports.  I have since given


           19              them to Chief Elliott and he is the one


           20              currently doing them as far as I know.  They


           21              are due every few months from the start of


           22              the grant so each grant varies.  If it


           23              violated the DOJ, Department of Justice,


           24              that is, will send an e-mail reminder to get


           25              it filed, otherwise, money cannot be drawn






            1              down."


            2                      Last question, "Are you responsible


            3              for submitting requests to the Scranton City


            4              solicitor and/or the law department of the


            5              City of Scranton for any type of JAG grant


            6              application legislation to be submitted to


            7              Scranton City Council?"


            8                      "I am not responsible for submitting


            9              requests to Scranton City solicitor and/or


           10              the law department of the City of Scranton


           11              for any type of JAG grant legislation to be


           12              submitted to Scranton City Council.  It


           13              would be Chief Elliott's responsibility."


           14                      They are all of the questions that


           15              we put together and they were the answers.


           16              It's been so long since we started this


           17              process, I actually forget what we said we


           18              would do.  I believe, and the rest of


           19              council correct me if I'm wrong, that once


           20              we got all of the questions and all of the


           21              answers that maybe we would discuss it and


           22              recommend some kind of action if need be.


           23              Is that what we said?  It's been several


           24              weeks.


           25                      MS. FANUCCI: I think that was it.






            1                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So council has all


            2              of the questions and the answers, so I guess


            3              maybe we will have to discuss it in our next


            4              meeting and in caucus and then if a


            5              suggestion is to be made I guess we would


            6              vote on it.  I don't know how we would work


            7              that.  I can't recall what we said in the


            8              beginning, but I certainly don't want to go


            9              back on what we said.  Does council have any


           10              questions from me?  That's it.  Thank you.


           11                      MR. MCGOFF: One last announcement,


           12              the exit audit -- or the exit audit or the


           13              exit report for the independent audit the


           14              dates are being set.  I was asked which of


           15              two dates was, you know, available -- or I


           16              was available for which I was available.


           17              It's probably going to be either Tuesday,


           18              October 13 or Wednesday, October 14 for the


           19              exit -- the exit report I guess, and once


           20              that's established I will let people know


           21              what the outcome of that may be, and that is


           22              all.  Citizens' participation.  Shelly McCue


           23              and might I assume you are Luke Kozlanski.


           24                      MR. KOZLANSKI: Yes.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF: Please, both of you.






            1                      MR. KOZLANSKI: I'm not sure, but she


            2              wanted to have Phyllis put on the list to


            3              speak.


            4                      MS. FANUCCI: She speaks, don't


            5              worry.


            6                      MR. KOZLANSKI: I'm Luke Kozlanski.


            7              This is Shelley McCue.  We are members -- or


            8              I'm a member of the Scranton Reads


            9              Committee.  She is cochair and --


           10                      MS. FANUCCI: We couldn't hear what


           11              you said.


           12                      MR. KOZLANSKI: Oh, I'm sorry.


           13                      MS. FANUCCI: Just so that people --


           14                      MR. KOZLANSKI:  We are members of


           15              the Scranton Reads Committee, she is


           16              actually cochair.  We wanted to take this


           17              opportunity to talk to you a little bit


           18              about it for those of who are unaware of it,


           19              for those of who are aware and hopefully we


           20              reach some people on the broadcast.


           21                      Basically, Scranton Reads has been


           22              going on since 2002, and every year the


           23              council picks a book and we try to schedule


           24              a series of events around it and encourage


           25              the community to read it, to get involved






            1              and, you know, for enlightenment, personal


            2              satisfaction, and to just encourage reading.


            3                      This year, we have received a big


            4              read grant for the third time which allows


            5              us to do some larger budget things and we


            6              have chosen the book "The Things They Carry"


            7              by Tim O'Brien, which I'm not sure if any of


            8              you have read it or how aware you are of the


            9              program, but it's a remarkable book about an


           10              infantryman's experiences in Vietnam.  It


           11              delves into the nature of story telling, the


           12              power of fiction to convey the experiences


           13              that he had there, the loneliness upon


           14              returning, and it seems especially relevant


           15              as many our servicemen experiencing various


           16              similar conditions today.


           17                      We will be having Tim O'Brien come


           18              to speak at a tent pole event later this


           19              month on October 29 at 7:00 p.m. at


           20              Marywood, and we encourage council members


           21              to come, encourage anybody we know who would


           22              like -- or who would enjoy such an event and


           23              any members of the public.  There is a whole


           24              series of things and Shelly will tell you


           25              about them that are coming up.






            1                      MS. MCCUE: We have a whole


            2              month-long series of events including many


            3              book discussions at all of the libraries


            4              within Lackawanna County as well as some


            5              local businesses like Anthology Book Store


            6              and Starbucks on Montage Mountain, and we


            7              are also having on-line book discussions


            8              this month for anyone who is unable to


            9              attend in person you can visit our website


           10              ScrantonReads.org to get a link to the


           11              on-line book discussion as well as links to


           12              all of our other events.  And we are also


           13              having weekly film festival at 6:00 p.m. on


           14              Thursdays in the community room of the


           15              children's library and this Thursday we are


           16              going to be showing the movie "Coming Home"


           17              with Jon Voight.


           18                      And the library has many copies of


           19              the book available for you to check out, but


           20              we also have copies for the council people


           21              if we can bring them up?  Is that okay?


           22                      MR. MCGOFF: Please.


           23                      MS. FANUCCI: It is wonderful


           24              program, it really is, and I hope that the


           25              turn out is even better this year.






            1                      MR. KOZLANSKI: It's been pretty


            2              strong so far.


            3                      MS. FANUCCI: Yeah, it's been doing


            4              really well.  That's great.


            5                      MR. KOZLANSKI: The book discussions,


            6              you know, everyone seems to get a little bit


            7              something different from the book because of


            8              it's unique style and we think the public


            9              will really enjoy it.


           10                      MS. FANUCCI:  I look forward to


           11              reading it.  Thank you.


           12                      MS. MCCUE: And that's


           13              ScrantonReads.org if you have any other


           14              questions or need extra information.  Thank


           15              you.


           16                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you very much.


           17              Mike Dudek.


           18                      MR. DUDEK: My name is a Mike Dudek,


           19              608 Depot Street here in the city.  I live


           20              in the Plot.  I'm very sorry that I wasn't


           21              quicker on the uptake last week.  If I had


           22              known that we were going to have our gun


           23              group from Luzerne County here I would have


           24              changed topics completely.  I do want to


           25              address some of the concerns they have






            1              raised.


            2                      Second Amendment issues aren't


            3              really all that difficult because Second


            4              Amendment issues are really devolved into


            5              the states and Pennsylvania really covers


            6              most of it.  The question these people raise


            7              is whether or not you have the right to make


            8              any rules whatsoever.  Oh, yes, you do.


            9              Yes, you do.


           10                      One thing is clear, the National


           11              Rifle Association and similar groups are


           12              very much alike, very similar to many of the


           13              Gay Rights organizations in this country in


           14              two respects:  Just as the gun people like


           15              to flaunt their guns, the gays like to


           16              flaunt their life-style.  They are in your


           17              face about it.  That's one thing, one area


           18              of similarity, but it's the second area of


           19              similarity that's a very grave concern.


           20              These people have tons of money and they


           21              have no problem at all starting frivolous


           22              lawsuits against municipalities whenever a


           23              municipality wants to pass a reasonable


           24              piece of legislation.


           25                      My understanding and my teaching of






            1              many years of the Second Amendment shows me


            2              that your legislation was very reasonable


            3              and should pass and should stand.  In other


            4              words, I stand squarely with Mr. McGoff in


            5              his interpretation of what's going on and I


            6              believe that Mr. McGoff is right on the mark


            7              with this, okay?  If you pass any kind of


            8              reasonable gun legislation you are going to


            9              get sued.  That's the way these people are.


           10              You are going to win, there is no doubt


           11              about it, it's just a matter of -- it's a


           12              matter of intimidation on the part of groups


           13              like this.  They simply want to intimidate.


           14                      Now, I am not going to tell you


           15              whether or not I own a gun.  If anybody


           16              wants to become my home invader let him find


           17              out soon enough.  That is my personal


           18              business.  Now, the person who spoke for the


           19              group last week made the most outrageous


           20              contradictions I have ever heard.  He stood


           21              here and said if he had his gun stolen he


           22              would report it and he called it common


           23              sense to report it and then he turns around


           24              to defend the right of somebody not to


           25              report a stolen gun.  We had a murder here






            1              in this city that was gang related.  The gun


            2              that was used was stolen from a state


            3              trooper's home up in Blakely.  We have an


            4              obligation to see to it that guns are to be


            5              reported stolen or missing within 48 hours


            6              of finding out about it because of


            7              situations exactly like what we had here in


            8              this city.  The police need to know this.


            9              This is something for the protection of our


           10              officers.  That is very reasonable.


           11              Communities of this state have various


           12              reporting times 24, 48 or 72 hours, we are


           13              considering 48 and they are coming up here


           14              to say, "We are going to sue you on this."


           15              There is at least 12 other communities in


           16              the state that already have laws that are


           17              already on the books.


           18                      Now, as to the second part of this,


           19              the Scranton Times unfairly criticized you.


           20              They were right, but they didn't give you


           21              the reason why.  The portion of the bill


           22              that you want to put in saying that you


           23              can't discharge a firearm in the City of


           24              Scranton, there is case law on this.  About


           25              25 years ago a priest in Pittsburgh,






            1              Pennsylvania, was asleep in his rectory.


            2              Somebody broke into the rectory.  He knew he


            3              was supposed to be the only one there so he


            4              got his gun.  He came down the steps, he saw


            5              what looked like to him was a shadow and


            6              something lunging toward him and the priest


            7              fired and, unfortunately, killed a person.


            8              The priest did the following:


            9                      He called 911 for the ambulance, for


           10              the police and he gave the man the last


           11              rites and the sacrament of penance.  That's


           12              about all he could do.  The District


           13              Attorney in Allegheny County prosecuted the


           14              priest on second degree murder, involuntary


           15              manslaughter, discharge of a gun, a whole


           16              laundry list of charges.  The priest was


           17              exonerated on each and every one of them, so


           18              with the discharge of a weapon in the City


           19              of Scranton there is common sense to it,


           20              absolutely yes, pass the law, but also let's


           21              understand that if a person discharges the


           22              gun in his home to protect his family and


           23              himself in the same circumstance that priest


           24              did in Pittsburgh case law there also


           25              exists.  I don't think you have any problem






            1              passing any part of this.  Thank you.


            2                      MR. MCGOFF: Bob Bolus.


            3                      MR. BOLUS:  Good evening, Council.


            4              Bob Bolus, Scranton.  What I'd like to talk


            5              to you about first is, I brought it up many


            6              times about the leachate line, runs from


            7              Dunmore through Scranton.  I think we all


            8              know the situation in Dunmore, I was at


            9              their council meeting the last one they had


           10              and spoke at it.  There is also the gas line


           11              going from Alliance Landfill all the way up


           12              through the area.  I don't see any reason in


           13              the world why this council can't create


           14              legislation to make us a host community


           15              along with the cooperation of Dunmore to try


           16              and pull everybody out of this hole once and


           17              for all.


           18                      Keep in mind, you go to a gas


           19              station, they raise the gas five cents a


           20              gallon, you are going to pay the five cents


           21              a gallon no matter who the provider is.


           22              There is no difference on what you are going


           23              to do with this gas line.  Forget who owns


           24              it or who controls it, all you have to do


           25              now is drive along Interstate 81 and drive






            1              along the mountainside in Dunmore and see


            2              all the cars that are now going back out on


            3              the mountain.  They should have been removed


            4              years ago when a permit was offered to


            5              DeNaples to open on Mill Street that no cars


            6              would be on that mountain.


            7                      That affects all of us.  It's not


            8              about Dunmore in person or Scranton, it


            9              affects everybody in this county plus the


           10              people traveling here and it's time the city


           11              gets behind the people and starts sending


           12              letters out that we want that stuff removed.


           13              It was removed once, you don't have a right


           14              to have it there.  Let's keep the area what


           15              it's supposed to be prosperous.  It doesn't


           16              look like that way anymore.


           17                      You need to get with Dunmore, you


           18              need to start working forward, but what you


           19              need to do is start being in the second


           20              position on any mortgage or loans.  You stay


           21              in the first position, if a person is strong


           22              enough to get a loan, the bank will take a


           23              second position.  We get our money first,


           24              they fail, too bad.  But enough on the


           25              taxpayers and it's got to stop and stop now.






            1              You can't sit here and say we know this one


            2              or that one.  It's about the people in this


            3              city.  We are broke, we can't pay our bills


            4              and we need to take a strong hard look at


            5              what we are doing here and what you have


            6              been doing now has not been the right road


            7              to follow.


            8                      I was appalled last week when I saw


            9              these clowns, whatever you want to call


           10              them, come in here with firearms.  This is a


           11              public building.  They sure in heck weren't


           12              go over to the federal building and go


           13              marching in over there, why in God's name


           14              were they permitted in this building.


           15                      And, Mr. McGoff, I'm going to direct


           16              this to you because you are council


           17              president, unfortunately.  When that took


           18              place you should have adjourned this meeting


           19              and immediately went downstairs, posted the


           20              front door with "No Weapons Allowed" and


           21              then reconvened the meeting.  You were


           22              outgunned 12 to 1 here.  Even Bill


           23              Courtright couldn't defend himself here with


           24              the amount of people that came here in


           25              weapons.  We had one police officer in the






            1              back here.  You think he was going to be


            2              able to sustain order if something erupted


            3              here?


            4                      MR. MCGOFF: There were two


            5              policemen.


            6                      MR. BOLUS:  It doesn't make a


            7              difference, 12 to 2 is not the odds I would


            8              want to be in, and if you have ever been


            9              anywhere where you were shot at or something


           10              you would understand what I'm talking about.


           11              We have people in combat right now that are


           12              being killed everyday.  Weapons are a


           13              danger.  The people carrying them have a


           14              right to carry them if they are permitted,


           15              they don't have a right in this building.  I


           16              don't care who they are or who the heck they


           17              think they are, they should have never


           18              walked in this building.  They wanted to act


           19              like clowns go outside and do it, but don't


           20              come in and embarrass the Scrantonians that


           21              we are trying to intimidate people by


           22              walking in here and saying, "I'll carry my


           23              firearm everywhere I want to."


           24                      You need to take a firm action and,


           25              yes, if it's stolen it should be reported, I






            1              don't care who you are.  Because if it's


            2              stolen and you don't report it you could


            3              become an accessory to the crime that's


            4              committed.  It's for your own well-being as


            5              well as the people out here.  You keep in


            6              mind, we had a screening device downstairs,


            7              remember everybody was outraged?  People


            8              wanted to tear this building apart because


            9              they had to be screened and come in here and


           10              you let all of these characters stand in the


           11              back room here with firearms on?


           12                      I mean, seriously.  I'm really


           13              concerned about the judgment of that day.


           14              When I came back, I was out town, and I saw


           15              that I couldn't believe what I saw in here.


           16              I even called Steve Corbett up and spoke to


           17              him about it because it's wrong.  It doesn't


           18              belong here.


           19                      MS. FANUCCI: Actually, I believe


           20              Steve did bring -- wanted to -- was for


           21              carrying guns into city hall at one time


           22              when he first came on because I remember


           23              that was the big issues.


           24                      MR. BOLUS:  Should have been in here


           25              and that's our rules, not their rules.  They






            1              may have a constitutional right outside the


            2              building, they don't have it in here.  The


            3              only reason I came here tonight was to bring


            4              that as an issue because it's going to come


            5              up here again, but this time enforce it.


            6              Stay out there, and again, I don't think we


            7              even need the police officer here, they


            8              belong out on the street protecting us out


            9              there not in here, not after what I saw the


           10              last time.  Thank you.


           11                      MR. MCGOFF: Joe Dwyer.


           12                      MR. DWYER: Good evening, members of


           13              City Council, concerned city taxpayers.  I


           14              wish to speak tonight about the working poor


           15              homeless situation in our city.  This week I


           16              went around to several of the encampments


           17              and what I saw is a travesty of what we are


           18              allowing to continue to go on in this


           19              community.  There are so many people who are


           20              working and do not have a place to call


           21              home.  They are living in tarps, and living


           22              in tents, they are living in boxes, they are


           23              living in cars, they are living in anything


           24              that they can put together to call a place


           25              home.  These are working moms with kids.






            1              When I was in one encampment I saw pictures


            2              of babies, I saw letters, I saw kid's toys.


            3                      When I went and I asked somebody in


            4              the leadership position if we could take


            5              over a blighted home to house single girls,


            6              they tore my house to the ground.  That is


            7              not right.  The leadership of this community


            8              needs to rise up and take a stand.


            9                      MS. FANUCCI: We couldn't put anyone


           10              in a blighted --


           11                      MS. GATELLI: Excuse me --


           12                      MS. FANUCCI: -- a house that's been


           13              already condemned.


           14                      MR. DWYER:  We would rehabilitate


           15              that house.


           16                      MS. GATELLI: Wait, wait.  I just


           17              want to ask a question, you are telling me


           18              that there is babies and children that are--


           19                      MR. DWYER: Yes.


           20                      MS. GATELLI: -- living -- well, why


           21              aren't you reporting this to Children and


           22              Youth Services?


           23                      MS. DWYER:  Because we know what


           24              will happen and that's not the point.


           25                      MS. GATELLI: Yes.  They should be






            1              taken away from the parents that are


            2              allowing them to be housed --


            3                      MS. DWYER: No.  No.  You are so


            4              grossly wrong.


            5                      MS. GATELLI: Oh, no, I don't approve


            6              of children being homeless.


            7                      MR. DWYER: It doesn't matter what


            8              you approve of, what you're approving is


            9              this travesty to exist.


           10                      MS. GATELLI: No, I disagree with


           11              you.  There are shelters for women and


           12              children.


           13                      MR. DWYER:  When the Office of


           14              Community Development takes and buys a


           15              blighted condemned home that's about to be


           16              raised and pays $185,000 for it, puts


           17              another $95,000 into that house and turns


           18              around and sells it for $95,000, that's


           19              ridiculous.


           20                      MS. GATELLI:  There are homes for


           21              homeless mothers with children.


           22                      MR. DWYER:  There are four homes in


           23              this community, only four, and they aren't


           24              that many beds.


           25                      MS. GATELLI:  And there are






            1              shelters.


            2                      MR. DWYER: There are shelters that


            3              are full.  There is only two shelters for


            4              girls, for women.  There is not a --


            5                      MS. GATELLI: Well, if I find out


            6              where those children are I will call


            7              Children Services.  That's not for --


            8                      MR. DWYER: There is not enough


            9              housing availability for anybody in this


           10              community who is homeless.  The Times, the


           11              Scranton Times, did an interview of people


           12              living across in the river, the Lackawanna


           13              river, and they spoke about this gentleman


           14              who is doing a social experiment, and his


           15              comment was he wanted to see if he could


           16              survive in the woods.  A typical mom is not


           17              trying to live in the woods.  She wants a


           18              place to call home.  She goes out to work


           19              everyday and she goes back to that place.


           20                      MS. GATELLI: Tell her to go to


           21              Catholic Social Services, 500 -- -


           22                      MR. DWYER: Have you been there?


           23              Have you been there?


           24                      MS. GATELLI: No.


           25                      MR. DWYER: You should go there.






            1                      MS. GATELLI:  Thank God I don't need


            2              to go there.


            3                      MR. DWYER: And they will tell you


            4              that they are full.


            5                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Sir, can I ask you a


            6              question?


            7                      MS. GATELLI: No, I don't buy that.


            8              I really don't buy that.


            9                      MR. DWYER: I'm not selling it to


           10              you.


           11                      MS. GATELLI: I don't buy it.


           12                      MR. DWYER:  Call them up.


           13                      MS. GATELLI:  That people are living


           14              with children homeless.  Don't they go to


           15              school?


           16                      MR. DWYER: Reverend Cathryn Simmons


           17              from the AME Church will tell you.  Reverend


           18              Bill Simms -- or Schultz from the Scranton


           19              Rescue Mission will tell you.  Sister Mary


           20              Alice from Friends of the Poor will tell you


           21              how bad the situation it.  This is nothing


           22              new.  To last year the mayor had 200 people


           23              belongings thrown into the river and


           24              threatened them with incarceration if they


           25              went and retrieved their property, and told






            1              them if they didn't leave that they would go


            2              to jail, offered them one-way tickets out of


            3              town.


            4                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Sir, let me ask you


            5              one question, could I, please?


            6                      MR. DWYER: Yes.


            7                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I have been to what


            8              is loosely known as tent city here and I


            9              have been up and down the whole thing


           10              recently, and I only saw one female, I saw


           11              no children, so they are not down there,


           12              correct?


           13                      MR. DWYER: There are some people --


           14              it's not just --


           15                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  I think maybe you


           16              need to tell us.  Why don't you tell us --


           17                      MR. DWYER: I will not tell you where


           18              they are.


           19                      MR. COURTRIGHT: -- off the air, off


           20              the air, where these children are and maybe


           21              we can help them.


           22                      MR. DWYER: No, I won't do that.


           23                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  But then how are we


           24              going to help them?


           25                      MR. DWYER:  By making these homes






            1              available for these nonprofit


            2              organizations--


            3                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I'm talking the


            4              immediate time right now they need help.


            5                      MR. DWYER: They do.


            6                      MR. COURTRIGHT: If there is children


            7              living in tents or boxes like you are


            8              saying, I think you need to tell us and


            9              maybe we could help them.


           10                      MR. DWYER: So they can experience


           11              the same thing that they have experienced in


           12              the past.


           13                      MR. COURTRIGHT: What they are


           14              experiencing now according to you isn't


           15              good.


           16                      MR. DWYER:  Well, yes, and well


           17              there are -- and the reason why I'm here is


           18              for people in the community to open up their


           19              homes and let some people stay there and


           20              they have.


           21                      Also, I'd like to bring to the


           22              communities' attention that Pax Christy is


           23              having a workshop on racism October 4 and


           24              Lackawanna College lyceum.  It will be at


           25              8:30 in the morning.  Thank you very much






            1              for your time.


            2                      MR. MCGOFF: Andy Sbaraglia.


            3                      MR. SBARAGLIA: Andy Sbaraglia.


            4              Citizen of Scranton, fellow Scrantonian.


            5              This gentleman brought up a real problem


            6              inside of the city.  I believe someone up


            7              there should be appointed to check it out.


            8              Really you should.  Winter is coming and


            9              it's going to get cold out there, and like I


           10              said before, I don't know how many people


           11              lost their homes, I really don't know.  A


           12              lot of people are being forced out of their


           13              properties.  A lot of them can't -- well,


           14              you know that, you read it in the paper.


           15              You don't even have to look surprised.  They


           16              are being forced out of their homes.  You


           17              saw page after page in the newspaper.  I


           18              showed you many times that page, but we have


           19              to look at home more.


           20                      I always said charity begins at


           21              home.  To me that's the place where it


           22              begins, Scranton is our home.  To have that


           23              happen in Scranton if it does happen is a


           24              shame upon all of us.  We all must bear that


           25              burden.






            1                      Like I said, I had a lot of deals, I


            2              know there is lot of money being held up


            3              down there by the budget.  I don't know how


            4              much of that money, money that is being held


            5              is contributing to what he said.  If it is


            6              it's even more imperative to us to check on


            7              both places down in Harrisburg and on our


            8              streets.  Surely we have room somewhere if


            9              that condition exists with these people.


           10                      Because you know and I know what's


           11              happening right now is going to continue for


           12              another year, if not longer, and there is no


           13              way out of it.  We are getting worse and


           14              worse.  We are going to be -- they keep


           15              saying we are going to be over 10 percent


           16              and Scranton is pretty close to that now,


           17              where people out of work and, like I say, I


           18              was going to talk on some of this stuff, but


           19              it's not important.  This stuff isn't really


           20              important at all.


           21                      I mean, all it is is transfer money


           22              here, there, a few dollars here or there,


           23              somebody gave us a piece of land, big deal,


           24              but this is a big deal and it's a deal


           25              it's-- like I said, we all should hang our






            1              heads if this is true.  There is nobody --


            2              Scranton has always been the friendly city.


            3              Always, always, always.  We have always


            4              looked after our own.  We got plenty of


            5              empty buildings, maybe some aren't the best,


            6              some are this, some are that, but we have a


            7              lot.


            8                      We have a lot of churches that are


            9              being closed that are still in heatable


           10              condition.  All we have to do is open them


           11              up and turn them into shelters and maybe put


           12              some kind of -- most of them have kitchen


           13              because they are all -- but even that's a


           14              use for the churches rather than ripping


           15              them down, but somewhere along the line


           16              really somebody has to look into this,


           17              either the police when they see it have to


           18              report it in and then we got agencies, maybe


           19              they don't have the money to do their job


           20              now, but all of the churches outside of the


           21              agencies, that's what they should be doing.


           22              That's what they should be doing.  That's


           23              the most important part of all religion is


           24              giving and if you can't give you are not


           25              religious.






            1                      I don't want to say anything about


            2              the priests, but we gave him a lot of money,


            3              he sent to money to Philadelphia.  I always


            4              said our soup kitchens, our places, the


            5              money should be sent here, I always said


            6              that.  Charity begins at home and this is


            7              our home.  Thank you.


            8                      MR. MCGOFF: Joe Talimini.


            9                      MR. TALIMINI: Joe Talimini.  I just


           10              have three things tonight.  Number one,


           11              Mr. Courtright, you say according to what


           12              you read Chief Elliott has been in -- it's a


           13              case of gross negligent if nothing else.  Is


           14              that what it indicates to you?  I'm not


           15              trying to put you on the spot, but, I mean,


           16              you've got the facts in front of you?


           17              Either the man is responsible or he is not


           18              responsible.


           19                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I think he is


           20              responsible.


           21                      MR. TALIMINI: Well, then if he is


           22              responsible and he did not comply, don't you


           23              think it's time we did something?  Because


           24              this happens throughout this city not only


           25              with the chief of police but with other






            1              agency directors, superintendents or


            2              directors of authorities, etcetera.  I think


            3              an investigation is necessary in this case.


            4                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Well, I think that's


            5              kind of what we did was a little bit of


            6              investigation and, you know, because I


            7              believe what we had agreed upon in the past


            8              was that we would see what we found and make


            9              a recommendation and I would hope whatever


           10              recommendation was arrived at would be


           11              arrived at unanimously, and unfortunately,


           12              unfortunately, I repeat that, we could


           13              suggest until the cows come home it's the


           14              mayor's call on if something is done or not


           15              done, but my hope is that if the five of us


           16              were to agree on something that the mayor


           17              would heed our call, but he is responsible


           18              for the employees.  We basically, I know you


           19              don't like hearing this, we have no say.


           20                      MR. TALIMINI: Well, then it's about


           21              time the mayor start taking responsibility


           22              for his job instead of for his future.


           23                      Now, secondly, last week you had a


           24              bunch of armed banditos up here, I am firmly


           25              for the Second Amendment of the






            1              constitution, I just don't believe I want to


            2              go into Tink's or into the coliseum or


            3              anyplace elsewhere you got a bunch of loose


            4              cannons carrying guns around you, and I


            5              certainly don't think they belong in city


            6              hall.


            7                      You know, it's paradoxical that


            8              these people come up here and they say they


            9              are absolutely not going to report a gun


           10              lost or stolen.  I wonder if these same guys


           11              would report a television set that was just


           12              stolen from their homes.  And, you know, the


           13              funny part of it is, I have watched this go


           14              on not only here but in other areas.  And,


           15              you know, I pointed this cigarette all the


           16              way around and I didn't see anybody duck for


           17              cover, and yet you enacted a law against my


           18              smoking, which incidentally was tossed or at


           19              least it was on hold.


           20                      MS. FANUCCI:  Not right now.


           21                      MR. TALIMINI: That's my point.  You


           22              are so concerned about my smoking, but


           23              you're not the least concerned about 12 guys


           24              coming in here with guns?


           25                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  I don't think any






            1              of us said we weren't concerned about it.


            2                      MS. FANUCCI: No.


            3                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I think we were all


            4              concerned about it, I think we were all on


            5              the verge of passing it, but there was legal


            6              action being taken and I believe that's why


            7              the bulk of it did not vote for it.


            8                      MR. TALIMINI: But that legal action


            9              has nothing to do with these chambers.  That


           10              legal action has to do with the right to


           11              carry a gun.


           12                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Any facility and,


           13              Mr. Minora, correct me if I'm wrong, any


           14              facility that posts a sign that you are not


           15              allowed to carry weapons inside, as we could


           16              do in this building, I would believe would


           17              have to be in the bylaws.


           18                      MR. TALIMINI:  I think it should be.


           19                      MS. FANUCCI: We actually met with


           20              the police officers beforehand and we all


           21              knew that there was not -- there was nothing


           22              we could do because there is no legislation,


           23              because there is --


           24                      MR. TALIMINI: Well, several months


           25              ago you were ready to have a fit because






            1              somebody was calling you names.


            2                      MS. FANUCCI:  There were specific


            3              threats then.  Right now we had no threats,


            4              people weren't saying anything.


            5                      MR. TALIMINI: I would like to know


            6              where those threats came from.


            7                      MS. FANUCCI: Well, I'm not going to


            8              dig that up, Mr. Talimini.


            9                      MR. TALIMINI: I know you're not


           10              because you don't have any evidence of that.


           11                      MS. FANUCCI: Let that go.


           12                      MR. TALIMINI: Let's move onto the


           13              next issue, please, if you don't mind.  The


           14              next issue is you have a homeless issue in


           15              this town and, yes, I do, I see it everyday.


           16              I listen to it on the scanner every night.


           17              There are people around here who are


           18              homeless.  You see it on Wyoming Avenue, and


           19              I agree with the gentleman, the shelters are


           20              always full.  They are always full.  They


           21              have turned away people on many occasions.


           22              This is a fact.  If you check your police


           23              records you will find that it's a fact that


           24              there are people who call in asking for


           25              shelter and there is no shelter available.






            1                      Now, Bethel takes in anybody and


            2              everybody and everybody when they are open,


            3              but they have limited space.  The one down


            4              on the corner of Wyoming and Olive does the


            5              same thing, but they have limited space.


            6              There are women out there with children, I


            7              see them in the daytime, I see them in the


            8              evening and I feel sorry for a lot of them.


            9                      The food banks are hurting very


           10              badly.  The soup kitchen is hurting very


           11              badly.  Go down there some time and see the


           12              lines of people who are being fed down


           13              there.  I mean, I grant you this, it's not


           14              possible for you to go and see everything,


           15              but I live in that area and I see it all of


           16              the time and this is one of my biggest


           17              gripes that I don't think your mayor or you


           18              council people ever go out to see any of


           19              this stuff, but you can always attend some


           20              kind of a social --


           21                      MS. FANUCCI: I have been to four


           22              shelters, I have been to -- would you like


           23              to know where I've been?  I mean, that's a


           24              ridiculous statement.


           25                      MR. TALIMINI: Oh, would you please






            1              stop interfering?


            2                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr. Talimini.


            3                      MR. TALIMINI: I'm trying to make a


            4              statement --


            5                      MR. FANUCCI: Sit down.  Your bell


            6              has rang, also.


            7                      MR. MCGOFF: Mrs. Fanucci, please.


            8                      MR. TALIMINI: My statement is a very


            9              simple one and that --


           10                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr.


           11              Talimini--


           12                      MR. TALIMINI: I know you don't want


           13              to hear it, Mr. McGoff, but you and your


           14              mayor are both responsible as well.  Thank


           15              you.


           16                      MR. MCGOFF: Les Spindler.


           17                      MR. SPINDLER: Good evening, Council.


           18              Les Spindler, city resident and taxpayer and


           19              homeowner.  I forget if it was last


           20              Wednesday or last Thursday I was appalled


           21              when I read the headline in the paper of raw


           22              sewage being dumped in the Lackawanna River.


           23              Scranton Sewer Authority dumped a billion


           24              gallons, a billion gallons of raw sewage in


           25              the Lackawanna River and nobody did anything






            1              about this?


            2                      This just shows the incompetence as


            3              I have been saying from the top down in this


            4              administration from Ray Hayes to Chief


            5              Elliott to Chief Davis to the Parking


            6              Authority director to the Sewer Authority


            7              director this is unconscionable that a


            8              billion gallons of raw sewage could be


            9              dumped into this river and I can't believe


           10              anyone from the Lackawanna River Corridor


           11              Association isn't in here complaining.  I


           12              can't believe I'm the only one complaining


           13              about this.  This is just a travesty and


           14              Gene Barrett and everybody associated with


           15              this should be arrested.  To me, that's a


           16              crime.  If I so much as threw a tire in the


           17              river I would be cited and fined for that


           18              and these people dumped a billion gallons of


           19              raw sewage in the river?  It's just


           20              unbelievable.  And it's going to be probably


           21              hundreds after billions of dollars in fines


           22              and who is going to pay for it?  Me and you,


           23              the taxpayers.  I can't believe people


           24              aren't up here in an outrage.


           25                      And Gene Barrett called a lawsuit






            1              unfair?  No, Gene Barrett, what's unfair is


            2              dumping a billion gallons of raw sewage in


            3              the Lackawanna River.  That was known since


            4              I was a kid to be a polluted river, but it's


            5              been cleaned up and now they go and do this,


            6              this is an outrage and these people should


            7              be arrested.


            8                      I usually don't mention names, but


            9              since Mrs. Williams mentioned my name last


           10              week I'll mention hers.  She has been


           11              complaining here for the last couple of


           12              weeks that someone for running public office


           13              has a criminal record.  Well, I have it on


           14              good authority is that criminal record is


           15              someone had a beer in a college party and


           16              had a traffic violation.  Oh, my God.


           17              Everybody hide your kids, lock your door.


           18              Somebody had a beer and had a traffic


           19              violation.  If that's the best Chris Doherty


           20              and Mrs. Williams can come up with to


           21              discredit somebody they better try again


           22              because that's just unbelievable.  I don't


           23              think anybody should be held out of holding


           24              public office for those little things which


           25              aren't even crimes.






            1                      And, oh, why doesn't Mrs. Williams


            2              bring up things that are actual crimes like


            3              the two city employees that are on videotape


            4              stealing Gary DiBileo's signs which Chief


            5              Elliott and Ray Hayes are sitting on the


            6              reports or last year some time an 18 year


            7              old fleeing in a car was stopped for a DUI


            8              and his last name was Doherty and there was


            9              nothing written up in the Doherty newsletter


           10              about that.  We don't hear Joanne Williams


           11              bringing these things up.


           12                      This morning on talk radio, WILK,


           13              there was a gentleman named Walter Griffiths


           14              speaking and he's running for city


           15              controller in Wilkes-Barre and he stated


           16              what myself and many other people have


           17              stated here, he said, "Cities trying to pay


           18              off loans by refinancing loans are just


           19              going to be betting in more debt."


           20                      We have been saying that for years


           21              now.  You can't pay off loans by


           22              refinancing, refinancing, it's like paying


           23              off one credit card with another credit


           24              card, you are never going to get ahead.


           25                      Well, Mrs. Evans walked out so I'll






            1              wait and talk to her next week maybe.


            2                      Lastly, I'm going to say it every


            3              week until the election, Mayor Doherty


            4              doesn't want to be our mayor.  We need


            5              somebody to get us out of this mess so if he


            6              wants to be governor, resign now and on


            7              November 4 -- November 3, in four weeks,


            8              let's write somebody in that wants to be


            9              mayor of our city that doesn't want to be


           10              governor.  Thank you.


           11                      MR. MCGOFF: Jean Suetta.


           12                      MS. SUETTA: I don't even get up to


           13              the podium and he is laughing.  I just gave


           14              that Joe my number, I'll give that lady and


           15              her kids a home.


           16                      MR. COURTRIGHT: That's nice of you.


           17                      MS. SUETTA:  The bushes are -- oh,


           18              wait a minute, my name is Jean Suetta, the


           19              bushes are gone, but there are still the


           20              ones at the end of Gardner Avenue.  Ah, now,


           21              they are -- there is the Japanese bamboo.


           22              The other day I'm out working in the yard


           23              and I heard a lady screaming.  I go to help


           24              her, I can't run because I got PAD, she


           25              comes up, I says, "What's a matter?"






            1                      There was a man in there whacking


            2              his wienie.


            3                      THE COURTRIGHT: Oh.


            4                      MR. MCGOFF: Please.


            5                      MS. SUETTA:  All right, a serial


            6              masturbation.


            7                      MR. MCGOFF: Oh, please, Jeannie.


            8              That's enough.


            9                      MS. SUETTA: I went to see what he


           10              was doing.


           11                      UNKNOWN AUDIENCE MEMBER: You can't


           12              say that, Jeannie.


           13                      MS. SUETTA: Why can't I?  It's not


           14              dirty.  It's not dirty.  I could have told


           15              you what the lady told me.  You want me to


           16              tell you what the lady said what he was


           17              doing?


           18                      MR COURTRIGHT:  No, no, no.


           19                      MR. MCGOFF: Please.


           20                      MS. GATELLI:  I think you should let


           21              her say it.


           22                      MR. MCGOFF: Jean.


           23                      MS. SUETTA: Yes, sir.  Thank you for


           24              getting the bushes down.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF: The bushes were down.  I






            1              was told that they were also removed, that


            2              they removed some of the overgrown


            3              vegetation from down in the old trucking


            4              company.


            5                      MS. SUETTA:  Yeah.  Not much.


            6                      MR. MCGOFF: Well, I think they


            7              removed what they could.


            8                      MS. SUETTA:  Facing Gardener Avenue,


            9              that was removed, too, Gardener Avenue.


           10              They did it yesterday.


           11                      MR. MCGOFF: Yes.


           12                      MS. SUETTA: Yeah, because they knew


           13              I would be down here today.


           14                      MR. MCGOFF: Well, they actually went


           15              out Wednesday to look at it.


           16                      MS. SUETTA:  It only took five


           17              months, Bob, five months.  And about the


           18              sewer, them dumping all of the sewage in,


           19              why should we have to pay for it, why not


           20              the administration or the Sewer Authority


           21              pay for it.  Take their pays.  They are


           22              getting good enough money.  Now if I'm going


           23              to have people living at my house I need --


           24              I can't be paying these bills.  So, Sherry--


           25                      MS. FANUCCI: Don't look at me.






            1                      MS. SUETTA: And how about the Lace


            2              Works?


            3                      MS. FANUCCI: I know, we are still --


            4                      MS. SUETTA: You know?


            5                      MS. FANUCCI: Yeah, we are still on


            6              it.


            7                      MR. MCGOFF: The Lace Works is an


            8              ongoing situation.


            9                      MS. SUETTA: Yeah.  I know, but they


           10              could clean the --


           11                      MS. FANUCCI: Yeah, your right.


           12                      MS. SUETTA: -- so people can walk,


           13              you know.  And that red house up on


           14              Greenridge Street that Jimmy Stucker is


           15              always complaining about, I looked at it


           16              today.  That's bad.


           17                      MS. FANUCCI: Yeah.


           18                      MR. MCGOFF:  It's bad.


           19                      MR. COURTRIGHT: It's bad, Jean, and


           20              I know it is.


           21                      MS. SUETTA: You can open that house


           22              and put a homeless family in there.


           23                      MS. FANUCCI: No, we don't want --


           24                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Not that house.


           25                      MS. SUETTA:  Well, it's better than






            1              living in a tent.


            2                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I don't know about


            3              that, that's A pretty bad that house.


            4                      MR. DWYER: They could fix it up.


            5                      MS. SUETTA:  They could fix it up.


            6              I have an echo.  All right.  Something else


            7              I had to -- Bob you were supposed to call


            8              me.  Didn't you say last meeting, "Jeannie,


            9              I will call you."


           10                      MR. MCGOFF: Yes.


           11                      MS. SUETTA: Didn't I give you my


           12              phone number?


           13                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I told you he took


           14              care of it.


           15                      MS. SUETTA: No, he was supposed to


           16              call me on the telephone.


           17                      MR. MCGOFF:  Jean, they did -- they


           18              hadn't given me any resolution.  They said


           19              they would go look at it.


           20                      MS. SUETTA:  You still should have


           21              called me.


           22                      MR. MCGOFF:  So I had nothing.  You


           23              just wanted to talk?


           24                      MS. SUETTA:  Yeah.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF: Oh, I'm sorry.






            1                      MS. SUETTA: See, if you called me I


            2              wouldn't have come up with that wiener.


            3              Texas wiener.


            4                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.


            5                      MS. SUETTA: All right, that's it.


            6              So they are going to get rid of the other


            7              bushes so we don't have them Texas wieners?


            8                      MR. MCGOFF: I'll talk to them about


            9              it.


           10                      MS. SUETTA: Who owns that?


           11                      MR. MCGOFF: I don't know.


           12                      MS. FANUCCI:  I don't know.  I don't


           13              know who owns that.


           14                      MS. SUETTA: But don't you think


           15              Corrugated Box would know who owns that?


           16                      MS. FANUCCI: Probably.  Probably.


           17                      MR. SUETTA: I told you I was going


           18              to come up and going to make you blush.


           19                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Then you wonder why


           20              I laugh when you get out of your seat.


           21                      MS. SUETTA: You know, there was this


           22              little boy in school.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF: Please.


           24                      MS. SUETTA: His name was Billy, and


           25              you know how little boys sit and scratch






            1              themselves.


            2                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Jeannie.


            3                      MS. SUETTA: That's not bad.  The


            4              teacher says, "Billy, what's wrong?"


            5                      And he says, "I was circumcised a


            6              couple of days ago."


            7                      MR. MCGOFF: Jeannie, we are going --


            8                      MS. SUETTA: Jean, the dancing


            9              machine.  He went to the school nurse, he


           10              come back, and he put it out and --


           11                      MR. MCGOFF: Jeannie, please.


           12                      MS. SUETTA: -- what are you doing?


           13              He said, "My mother told me if I stuck it


           14              out she would come pick me up."  Goodnight.


           15                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Sit down, Jean.


           16                      MR. MCGOFF: This is bizarre.


           17                      MS. SUETTA: I'm not bizarre.


           18                      MR. MCGOFF: Ron Ellman.


           19                      MS. SUETTA: Now we got Ronnie coming


           20              up.


           21                      MR. ELLMAN: I don't have nothing


           22              imperative or necessary to talk about.  I


           23              guess I'll flap my gums until you tell me to


           24              leave.  I just have some things that


           25              irritated me.  My neighborhood is infested






            1              with them quads.  They are running day and


            2              night and some of them don't have mufflers


            3              on them and I hear them until 1:00 or 2:00


            4              in the morning and I know where a couple of


            5              them even live because I walk so much in the


            6              neighborhood, but North Main Avenue is like


            7              a racetrack and here they are going down


            8              North Main and the side streets and the


            9              beginning of the summer this little kid, I


           10              don't know, he is 6, 7, 8 years old, he is


           11              pushing a 250 cc two-wheeler, one of those


           12              racing bikes, you know, the green ones, that


           13              bike is capable of going pretty fast.  He


           14              was out of gas so I gave him a gallon of gas


           15              and I'm talking to him and he is telling me


           16              it goes 60, 70 miles an hour, just a little


           17              kid like this, their parents are nuts.


           18                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  You gave him gas?


           19                      MR. ELLMAN: My kids had them, but we


           20              lived up in Madisonville and all, they


           21              couldn't get in trouble with them.  They


           22              were out in the woods all the time getting


           23              stuck, but North Main Avenue and Throop


           24              Street and Parker Street, that's no place to


           25              be racing those things.






            1                      In '95 one of them come across the


            2              Parker Street and hit me year-old Cadillac


            3              which made me very irritable.  Knocked the


            4              mirror off and scraped the side and kept


            5              going and, you know, he is uninsured,


            6              uninspected, they don't have good brakes


            7              because I seen them skidding half a block


            8              without stopping.  You know, they are not


            9              inspected or they just don't belong in the


           10              streets.  The owners should be heavily fined


           11              and the dammed bikes confiscated and get


           12              them on the streets.  It's just -- somebody


           13              is going to be hit.  Yesterday that's what I


           14              came up here, I forgot about it, I don't


           15              know what time it was --


           16                      MR. COURTRIGHT: We can't chase them.


           17                      MR. ELLMAN: A little kid on a little


           18              green one, he couldn't have been four or


           19              five years old, but this little tiny green


           20              one crossed Main Avenue.


           21                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Ron, you know what


           22              the problem is?


           23                      MR. ELLMAN: Pardon?


           24                      MR. COURTRIGHT: The problem is they


           25              are relatively smart, they know that the






            1              police won't chase them.


            2                      MR. ELLMAN: Oh, I know that.


            3                      MR. COURTRIGHT: For fear of somebody


            4              getting hurt, so they don't get chased and


            5              the only thing you are going to be able to


            6              do is if you know somebody that's doing it


            7              and you know where they live report it to


            8              the police then and they'll go to their


            9              home.


           10                      MR. ELLMAN:  I saw the police stop


           11              right in front of my house and he took off


           12              the other way and the police car goes this


           13              way during it.


           14                      MR. COURTRIGHT: There is a heavy


           15              fine, yeah.


           16                      MR. ELLMAN: Well, they ought to be


           17              confiscated.  You know, like I said, there's


           18              a time and a place, I didn't come last


           19              Tuesday because my big mouth might have got


           20              me shot with them people with guns.  I have


           21              had guns, I like guns, you know, and I'm not


           22              anti-gun, but there is a time and place and


           23              a courthouse and a restaurant isn't the


           24              place to walk around making a point about


           25              carrying a gun.  That was deplorable.  I






            1              think Mr. Bolus hit the nail on the head,


            2              you know, you just don't bring guns to a


            3              courthouse to make a point.  I didn't hear


            4              nobody be on their side talking.  You know,


            5              that's just a bad --


            6                      You know, last Tuesday -- last


            7              Wednesday at 2:15 this the morning I took


            8              Slugo out for a walk, I could tell he had to


            9              go for his dancing around.  Here come two


           10              little girls, this is last Wednesday, 2:15


           11              in the morning there's two young girls, I


           12              don't know, about 12, 13, 14, they were both


           13              little flat-chested things, you know, they


           14              weren't too old, they were coming down the


           15              sidewalk.  You know, where are their parents


           16              at allowing this and then somebody wonders


           17              my kid did this and that, at least my kids,


           18              you know, I had an idea where they were up


           19              there in Moscow or Madisonville or


           20              someplace, you know, and they would run out


           21              of something to do before 2:15 in the


           22              morning.


           23                      And I was listening about the


           24              homeless, I talked to many, many of these


           25              people and to me when your house burned down






            1              you're homeless.  When, you know, you are


            2              disfunctional and don't work for society I


            3              don't think homeless is the right word, but


            4              this administration just shows disdain for


            5              the poor, and these people they just need


            6              help so bad.  Miss Rosie and me have tried a


            7              little bit on our own, we gave them blankets


            8              and given them rides and stuff, but this is


            9              a bad problem and it's going to be so bad


           10              this winter with the way things are you


           11              know.  I wish there was more help for them.


           12              Thank you very much.


           13                      MS. EVANS: Mr. Ellman, just to go


           14              back to the ATV's for a second, there is a


           15              city ordinance that prevents ATV's from


           16              driving on city streets, but the police


           17              encounter the problems that Mr. Courtright


           18              already mentioned for you.  I know possibly


           19              two weeks I requested that the police patrol


           20              the area of Main Avenue, Wells Streets,


           21              Marvin, East Parker, because I had received


           22              so many complaints.


           23                      MR. ELLMAN: This isn't a police


           24              problem, there's lots of police in my


           25              neighborhood.  You know, it's like parking






            1              on the sidewalk all over town.  On the 2500


            2              block of North Main there is people parked


            3              with all four wheels on the sidewalk, the


            4              police ticket them and ticket them and


            5              ticket them, the next day they still sitting


            6              there with tickets on it.  They just don't


            7              pay them or they got bogus license or


            8              something.  You know, like I said, it's not


            9              a police problem, I'm not blaming the


           10              police.


           11                      MS. EVANS: Well, in that matter with


           12              the tickets eventually the car would be


           13              towed if it has an illegal registration and


           14              illegal plates, but I think Mr. Courtright


           15              had a good response there when he said if


           16              everyone who sees any ATV's in their


           17              neighborhood knows exactly where that's


           18              going, you know, in what home that belongs


           19              and reports it.  Naturally, children aren't


           20              going to be able to pay a fine, but parents


           21              certainly will and I think, you know, when


           22              parents are held accountable and held


           23              responsible for their children's actions


           24              because it is the parents after all who have


           25              supplied the ATV, and obviously paid for it,






            1              they will be I think much more careful about


            2              how their children are operating these


            3              vehicles and it's really only for everyone's


            4              good because we certainly don't want to see


            5              those using the ATV's injured as well.


            6                      MR. ELLMAN:  Well, you know,


            7              insurance is required on them.  They just


            8              don't have it.


            9                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.


           10                      MR. ELLMAN:  I have insurance on my


           11              scooter it's only $75 a year for everything,


           12              you know, these kids, like I said, they hit


           13              my car and kept going.  You can't chase


           14              them, I can't turn around.


           15                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.


           16                      MR. ELLMAN: Thank you.


           17                      MR. MCGOFF: Vince Cruciani.


           18                      MR. CRUCIANI: Good evening, Council,


           19              Vince Cruciani.  I'm here to speak on a


           20              matter regarding what I believe to be a


           21              blatant gross violation of the United States


           22              constitution occurring in the City of


           23              Scranton.  Before I touch on that matter I


           24              would just like to briefly comment on two


           25              items I heard earlier.






            1                      Many in the crowd had spoke against


            2              the gun ordinances and I can understand if


            3              others in council feels this way, too,


            4              perhaps thought that the open display of


            5              arms was a matter intimidation, but rather


            6              it was quite the opposite.  It was to show


            7              that free men and women can stand in a room


            8              bearing arms protecting themselves and not


            9              use it in a derogatory manner.  Now, one


           10              gentleman earlier tried to analogize to the


           11              smoking, well, I'm against prohibiting


           12              restaurants from allowing smoking, I think


           13              the free market will take care of that.  I


           14              don't think there is a constitionial


           15              amendment to allow you to smoke.


           16                      Now, all I'm trying to say is that


           17              people didn't come in here to bear their


           18              arms to intimidate, they can in to show that


           19              people can bear arms and law abide.


           20                      The issue of the homeless in the


           21              city has been raised and one way I suggest


           22              that revenue could be created is through the


           23              taxation of the dormitory buildings in


           24              private institutions.  Let me explain.  Let


           25              me explain.  Why do you have nonprofit






            1              organizations tax exempt?  One simple


            2              reason, the theory is that the private


            3              markets don't supply the demand.  That's the


            4              man reason that you have classroom and such


            5              not taxed.


            6                      Now, what happens when you tax the


            7              dorms?  When you tax the dorms, even if they


            8              are at a lower rate, okay, you know, I'm


            9              just saying, when you derive revenue from


           10              the dorms, right, what happens when you make


           11              them tax free.  Well, when you make them tax


           12              free you are taking away a market demand


           13              that is already being met by the private


           14              sector.  There are landlords who are paying


           15              taxes who are filling the filling the


           16              student housing need.  Now, are people going


           17              to come to build classrooms?  No.  But they


           18              are going to build apartments.  The private


           19              sector is going to meet that demand and not


           20              only do you hurt the tax base in the city,


           21              but you hurt the students because if you


           22              continue allowing the school to monopolize


           23              the housing then the school is going to have


           24              a distorted competition against the private


           25              sector and then once they create the






            1              monopoly status, which will happen, then


            2              they are going to be able inflate the price


            3              of housing to any degree they want.  So my


            4              suggestion is that any private school


            5              housing and housing only be taxed.


            6                      Now, my most important issue.  The


            7              University of Scranton has a police force.


            8              That police force can make arresting powers


            9              in this city to students, sworn officers can


           10              to not only students but any of you in this


           11              room, anybody here, anybody walking down the


           12              street.  They have a religious symbol on


           13              their uniform.  Now, I know Mr. Minora


           14              hasn't taken a Con-law class in quite


           15              awhile, but I believe the constitution, the


           16              doctrine or incorporation that brings the


           17              First Amendment establishing laws applicable


           18              to the states was around.


           19                      Now, let me explain what I mean.


           20              I'm not saying that the police force does


           21              not have legitimate authority to arrest,


           22              what I'm saying is that the seal, the


           23              University of Scranton crest with the cross,


           24              the Christian cross, must be removed from


           25              those uniforms of arresting officers.  All






            1              it has to say is "University of Scranton."


            2                      It doesn't -- I'm not saying that


            3              it's illegitimate authority, I realize there


            4              is statutory authority to have private


            5              institutions have police forces, but I


            6              recommend civil disobedience for any person


            7              that is confronted off the University of


            8              Scranton campus by these people, these


            9              pretender police officers that have the


           10              religious symbols, religious symbols.  If it


           11              was a crescent moon and the Star of David


           12              how many of you would be comfortable?  If it


           13              was a Wicken symbol how many of you would be


           14              comfortable?  They have a cross on the


           15              uniform and they can arrest.  None of you


           16              would stand for that police officer having a


           17              cross on her uniform, but she can arrest


           18              just the same way they can.


           19                      MR. COURTRIGHT: They can't.


           20                      MR. CRUCIANI: Yes, they can.


           21                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Only certain ones


           22              can arrest.


           23                      MR. CRUCIANI: Yes, and they have the


           24              University symbol, Mr. Courtright.


           25                      MR. COURTRIGHT: They need to be






            1              certified by a State of Pennsylvania.


            2                      MR. CRUCIANI: And I'm not of


            3              disagreement --


            4                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  I believe, and I'm


            5              guessing, I think they only have two or


            6              three that can arrest.


            7                      MR. CRUCIANI:  That's fine, but


            8              those officers wear the cross, the Christian


            9              cross, the Christian Catholic emblem on


           10              their uniform and they have the power to


           11              arrest.  All I'm asking for that it be


           12              replaced with a patch that says "The


           13              University of Scranton."


           14                      Because there will be a 1983 suit


           15              coming from the next person that gets arrest


           16              by one of these officers with and Christian


           17              emblem on them.  I've called the ACLU, I


           18              have called all of the magistrate's offices


           19              about this because I'm not going to have


           20              somebody with a Christian emblem be able to


           21              arrest me.  Now, if they want to have it


           22              just the University of Scranton, fine.  I


           23              understand that.  That's not a problem.


           24              Anybody that can arrest that has a Christian


           25              cross is illegitimate authority.  Thank you.






            1                      MR. MCGOFF: David Dobrzyn.


            2                      MR. DOBRZYN: David Dobrzyn, resident


            3              of Scranton.  A member of the Taxpayers'


            4              Association.  You have heard a few different


            5              opinions tonight on this business, I'm going


            6              to keep it kind of general.  I feel as a


            7              Scranton citizen it would be wise to


            8              withdrawal all attempts at redundant


            9              legislation and mitigate any attempts to


           10              exceed constitutional boundaries.  Please


           11              limit such two requests such as please


           12              report your firearm, you don't have to make


           13              in an ordinance, and definitely petition the


           14              state for notification of all stolen


           15              firearms.  Personally, I think they should


           16              be on the data bank, that's available to any


           17              police officer if it was stolen in


           18              Harrisburg if they kept somebody with


           19              misusing a firearm and it turns out it's


           20              stolen then it should be on some kind of


           21              data base even possibly national, but my


           22              fear is a patchwork of non-uniform


           23              ordinances which make it impossible to obey


           24              the law and all communities.


           25                      Now, here is an example, and it's






            1              not related to guns at all.  My wife worked


            2              at a dry cleaners a few years ago and she


            3              had just got through a state boiler


            4              inspection and complied with all of the


            5              requests of the state boiling inspector.


            6              Well, a few months later in strolls the


            7              Scranton boiler inspector and he disagreed


            8              with the everything that was done to the


            9              boiler at great expense.  Well, they


           10              couldn't operate for awhile and a few weeks


           11              after that on Thanksgiving weekend, I


           12              believe it was 1987 -- or '97, '97, I'm a


           13              little old anymore, my wife's paycheck


           14              started to bounce, seven in a row.  I don't


           15              know how he did it, but he actually engaged


           16              in improprieties because he was going broke


           17              over this patchwork of ordinances and so


           18              forth and regulation.


           19                      Well, I eventually got that settled,


           20              but now in Pennsylvania I don't know what


           21              the penalty is for bounced checks, but in


           22              Texas it's a felony to bounce a check.  I


           23              would have been responsible for about five


           24              or six felonies.  My life insurance bounced.


           25              My rent check bounced.  My payment to a






            1              consumer on a consumer loan bounced.


            2              Several others bounced.  I got bopped $20


            3              for each and every one, never reimbursed.  I


            4              mean, that's just an example of how these


            5              patchwork of laws.


            6                      I personally feel like the state


            7              should be responsible for this and, yeah, I


            8              think people should be required to report


            9              any kind of stolen firearms or what have


           10              you.  You shouldn't have a right to -- and I


           11              also did state the week before that I


           12              thought that somebody that felt obliged to


           13              always have a firearm strapped to their


           14              waist is a little squirrelly.


           15                      Now, on Scranton "U" I also had a


           16              concern about that.  You are walking down


           17              the street and one of those officers walked


           18              up to you and, I mean, are they -- do they


           19              have all of the authority of the Scranton


           20              policemen or, you know, because, I mean --


           21                      MR. COURTRIGHT: No, they don't.


           22                      MR. DOBRZYN: As far as I'm concerned


           23              even though defending my house if they had


           24              to kick my door in and yelled "Police" I


           25              would sit in my chair and wait for them to






            1              come in.  I have no desire to ever hurt a


            2              police officer even if he made a mistake and


            3              got the wrong address, you know?  I'm


            4              telling them this is blah, blah, blah street


            5              and not, you know, so with that possibly


            6              would they have any right to search and


            7              seize a citizen of Scranton or -- I mean,


            8              can anybody else answer that for me?


            9                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I'll answer it


           10              during the motions for you.


           11                      MR. DOBRZYN:  Okay.  I was concerned


           12              about that, I just thought well, you know,


           13              we elect people to hire the police


           14              department and everything and it doesn't


           15              happen, but please consider that what I made


           16              mention about this, I think we have too much


           17              of a patchwork of laws and it makes it


           18              impossible to be a law respecting citizen


           19              after a certain point.  Have a good night.


           20                      MS. HUMPHRIES: Am I next?


           21                      MR. MCGOFF: Please, Phyllis, why


           22              not.  Your time has started and please no


           23              props tonight.


           24                      MS. HUMPHRIES: Oh, there is going to


           25              be props.  You know, I thought about this,






            1              when I was coming in I had so much that I'd


            2              love to show.  First, I want to say a hi to


            3              everybody, God bless you all.  I'm going to


            4              read something and I do not want to be


            5              stopped for these five minutes and then I'll


            6              sit down.


            7                      The word of God on the City of


            8              Scranton.  The word of the Lord Jeremiah,


            9              son of Hakium.  Our priestly famines --


           10                      MR. MCGOFF: Phyllis, we don't quote


           11              the Bible in --


           12                      MS. HUMPHRIES: Call of Jeremiah.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF: Please, Phyllis.


           14                      MS. HUMPHRIES:  The word of the law


           15              came to me just before I formed you in my


           16              womb I knew you.  Before I dedicated you a


           17              prophet to nations.  I appoint you.  All


           18              Lord God --


           19                      MR. MCGOFF: Phyllis --


           20                      MS. HUMPHRIES: -- I said --


           21                      MR. MCGOFF: Phyllis.


           22                      MS. HUMPHRIES: -- I know not how to


           23              speak.  I answer to you --


           24                      MR. MCGOFF: You are out of order --


           25                      MS. HUMPHRIES: -- but the Lord






            1              answered me say not, I am too young.


            2                      MR. MCGOFF: -- constantly.


            3                      MS. HUMPHRIES: I am too young.  Do


            4              whatever I say you shall know.  That's even


            5              in the political arena.


            6                      (Whereupon Mr. McGoff bangs the


            7              gavel several times.)


            8                      MR. MCGOFF: Phyllis, please stop.


            9                      MS. HUMPHRIES: Whenever I command of


           10              you, you shall speak.  Have no fear before


           11              you --


           12                      MR. MCGOFF: This has generated


           13              into --


           14                      MS. HUMPHRIES:  -- because I am here


           15              to deliver you, sayeth the Lord.  Then the


           16              Lord extended his hand and touched my mouth,


           17              and I hope he touches every one of your


           18              mouths, saying, see, I placed my word in


           19              your mouth.  This day I set you over nations


           20              and over kingdoms to root up and to tear


           21              down, to destroy and to demolish --


           22                      MR. MCGOFF: Phyllis.


           23                      MS. HUMPHRIES: -- to build and to


           24              replant.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF: Phyllis.






            1                      MS. HUMPHRIES: I want to build the


            2              City of Scranton.  The word of the Lord came


            3              to me with question.


            4                      MR. MCGOFF: Phyllis --


            5                      MS. HUMPHRIES: What did you see.


            6                      MR. MCGOFF: Your time is up.


            7                      MS. HUMPHRIES: Jeremiah, Isaiah, a


            8              branch of the Washington.  Okay, my time is


            9              up?


           10                      MR. MCGOFF: Yes.


           11                      MS. HUMPHRIES: This is what I have


           12              to say.  I reply then the Lord said to me,


           13              well, have you seen for I am watching to


           14              fulfill my word.  A second time the word of


           15              the Lord came to me with a question, and you


           16              know we question each other a lot, what do


           17              you see?  I see a boiling cauldron.  I


           18              replied that.


           19                      MR. MCGOFF: Phyllis, I'm going to


           20              ask you one more time to leave --


           21                      MS. HUMPHRIES: And from the Lord


           22              sayeth no more.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF: -- the podium.


           24                      MS. PHYLLIS: To me evil will boil


           25              over upon all the dwelling of the land.






            1              Know I many summoning all the kingdoms of


            2              the north, sayeth the Lord.  Each king shall


            3              come and set up his throne and the kingdom


            4              will come, the ambassadors to the City of


            5              Scranton.


            6                      THE COURT:  Phyllis, your time is up


            7              and you are out of order.


            8                      MS. HUMPHRIES:  It will never be up


            9              until justice calls to the unborn child to


           10              everyone here.


           11                      MR. MCGOFF: Phyllis.  Phyllis.


           12                      MS. HUMPHRIES: Tomorrow is the


           13              rosary of the blessed -- of our Lady of the


           14              Rosary, number one.


           15                      MR. MCGOFF: I'm going to ask you one


           16              more time to stop.


           17                      MS. HUMPHRIES: Number two, what I


           18              have to say --


           19                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Phyllis, if you


           20              don't step down we are going to call for a


           21              recess.  You have to step down.


           22                      MS. HUMPHRIES: Call for a recess.


           23              Well, this is what I'm telling you.  I'm


           24              going to be running for city council.


           25                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Good.






            1                      MS. HUMPHRIES: And I'm not going to


            2              ask for a penny because I think as a human


            3              being --


            4                      MR. MCGOFF: Motion to recess.


            5                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.


            6                      MR. MCGOFF: All in favor.  Aye.


            7                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


            8                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


            9                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           10                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           11                      MR. MCGOFF:  Opposed?  The ayes have


           12              it and so moved.


           13                      (A recess was taken)


           14                      MR. MCGOFF: Attorney Minora, do we


           15              need to make a motion to go back it session


           16              or?


           17                      MR. MINORA: I think just start


           18              again.


           19                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.  Our recess


           20              is over.  Next speaker.  Anyone else?


           21                      MS. SCHUMACHER: Marie Schumacher,


           22              resident and member of the Taxpayers'


           23              Association.  I would like to defend, I


           24              hadn't planned to speak tonight and I do --


           25              but I do have a question, several questions






            1              about 7-A, but first I would be remiss if I


            2              didn't say that I believe you acted


            3              incorrectly in the case of Phyllis, that I


            4              believe she has every right to do that.  The


            5              amendment says the state shall not establish


            6              a religion and I would hope that it wouldn't


            7              have to be taken to Court to decide which of


            8              us is correct.  A little tolerance, it's


            9              five minutes would been more acceptable.


           10                      MS. FANUCCI: It's just against


           11              council rules.  It's against our own rules.


           12                      MS. SCHUMACHER: It's my time.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF: Please.


           14                      MS. FANUCCI: No, it's my time, too,


           15              and it's against our rules as a council --


           16                      MS. SCHUMACHER: On 7-A.


           17                      MS. FANUCCI: -- and it's separation


           18              of church and state and it's separation of--


           19                      MS. SCHUMACHER: Is the source of the


           20              money of this authority -- excuse me, do I


           21              have the floor?


           22                      MR. MCGOFF: Please.  Continue.


           23                      MS. SCHUMACHER: Is the source of the


           24              public money that's given to this Scranton


           25              Lackawanna County Health and Welfare






            1              Authority, what is the source of their


            2              funding?


            3                      MR. MCGOFF:  I'm sorry?


            4                      MS. SCHUMACHER:  What is the source


            5              of the funding for the Scranton Lackawanna


            6              Health and Welfare Authority?  Where do they


            7              get their money?  I believe someone -- I'm


            8              sorry, I did not have a chance to come in


            9              and read the backup on this, but I believe


           10              someone said this is to be a $6 million


           11              loan.  I would like to know where the source


           12              of the money they get that they -- they have


           13              enough money to lend this $6 million or if


           14              it's a grant I don't even know if it's a


           15              grant, and how much will remain in their


           16              coffers after this loan is made and I would


           17              also like to know if anyone other than


           18              nonprofits are eligible to get grants or


           19              loans from this fund?  And I will wait for


           20              your -- I mean, I'll take your answers now.


           21              Thank you.  Anybody?


           22                      MR. MCGOFF: I do not know.


           23                      MS. EVANS: I don't know the answer,


           24              but I will try to find the answers for all


           25              of us.






            1                      MS. SCHUMACHER:  But, I mean, I


            2              think it's -- it's silly to vote on


            3              something, you don't know if you are wiping


            4              out their whole thing, you don't know where


            5              they get their money, I mean -- but, thank


            6              you.


            7                      MR. MCGOFF: Any other speakers?


            8                      MS. KRAKE: First of all, I would


            9              like to say that Phyllis was correct in


           10              being able to wanting to speak about what


           11              she wanted to speak, she has freedom of


           12              speech just like everyone else in the United


           13              States of America and so does Mrs. Williams


           14              for that matter, but I would like to rebut


           15              some of the remarks she has made.  I know


           16              what Mrs. Williams is getting at the past


           17              few weeks, the law is clear on minor


           18              violations and such a minor violations does


           19              not prohibit someone from running for


           20              office.  Mrs. Williams saying these things


           21              is just another example of her being used by


           22              the administration, used by them to sling


           23              mud at the same people for the mayor's


           24              checks and balances.  It's not surprising


           25              that the mayor would stoop so low once again






            1              to somehow get his way since he has done


            2              this before.


            3                      I truly sometimes feel sorry for


            4              Mrs. Williams since she is being used as a


            5              pawn once again for Doherty, since his


            6              rubber stamp council was soundly and


            7              overwhelmingly rejected by the voters.  Mrs.


            8              Williams opens a Pandora's box with her


            9              allegations.  You can't ask for rules or


           10              laws for some and not want or expect them to


           11              apply to everyone.  As a taxpayer, Mrs.


           12              Williams should be much more concerned by


           13              the real issues, the issues that are truly


           14              hurting the residents and taxpayers.


           15                      Why doesn't Mrs. Williams have any


           16              concern about the last 25 percent tax


           17              increase?  Why no concern about the


           18              $12 million that is missing in the Scranton


           19              Tax Office?  Why no concern that Ken


           20              McDowell never cooperated with his subpoena


           21              from city council?  Why no concern that the


           22              Scranton Tax Office still has not released


           23              the over $4 million owed to the city and


           24              without it there will be a huge budget whole


           25              in the 2009 budget.  Why?  Because these are






            1              crucial issues that are ongoing.  These are


            2              not city council election issues, but since


            3              she is only interested in election-time


            4              subjects why is not outraged that the mayor


            5              she supports no longer wishes to be mayor of


            6              Scranton?  Why isn't she concerned that he


            7              fails to perform his duties and


            8              responsibilities as mayor while he campaigns


            9              statewide to become governor?


           10                      A few more remarks I have.


           11              Mr. Courtright is running for tax collector.


           12              Hopefully he will win and that would help


           13              the citizens tremendously when he has that


           14              office.  Mrs. Evans, who wins her elections


           15              with thousands and thousands of more votes


           16              than even the mayoral candidates, continues


           17              to be a voice for all of the people.  Time


           18              again she votes for the good of all and is


           19              preserved in the face of many council that


           20              voted exactly opposite for the people.


           21              Thank you.


           22                      MS. FRANUS:  Fay Franus, Scranton.


           23              Good evening, Council.  As council well


           24              knows, a serious concern of all taxpayers is


           25              unjust expenditures.  Unjust expenditures






            1              involving a council person who voted for tax


            2              increases inherently raised judgment and


            3              ethical issues.  Unjust spending is properly


            4              judged on the backs material to the


            5              expenditure.  Without question, the invoices


            6              speak for themselves and an expenditure of


            7              $30,000 for legal work is one that merits


            8              close examination for it's legal


            9              appropriateness.


           10                      Since the time that Mrs. Gatelli


           11              filed a counterclaim against Joe Pilcheski


           12              she repeatedly denied for over a year that


           13              the city's insurance company was not paying


           14              for private legal services.  Then two months


           15              ago it was publically disclosed that the


           16              city's insurance company was billed $52,473


           17              for Gatelli related legal services and, in


           18              fact, 30,000 were then paid to Attorney


           19              Reihner.


           20                      The questions beg asking.  Was all


           21              of the 30,000 paid by the city's insurance


           22              company for defending Mrs. Gatelli as a


           23              public official or did Mrs. Gatelli get her


           24              private legal services paid for by the city?


           25              The answer is found in the legal invoices






            1              which are undisputable in a comprehensive


            2              source precisely, how many hours were worked


            3              and what legal work was provided for each of


            4              these hours.


            5                      Attorney Reihner's invoices revealed


            6              that his office logged in a total of


            7              777.6 hours representing Mrs. Gatelli's


            8              interests beginning on April 19, 2007, and


            9              continuing up to December 23, 2008, but they


           10              also reveal that only the first 16 hours


           11              were for representing Mrs. Gatelli as a


           12              public official and the remaining 761 hours


           13              for advancing her private counterclaim.


           14                      Translated that means that only


           15              2.2 percent of the hours were for


           16              representing Mrs. Gatelli as a public


           17              official and 97.8 percent were for


           18              representing her as a private citizen.


           19                      Translated, of the $30,000 paid to


           20              Attorney Reihner, $28,700 obviously went to


           21              Mrs. Gatelli's personal and private benefit.


           22                      During last week's council meeting


           23              when this issue was again mentioned,


           24              Mrs. Gatelli again adamantly denied that the


           25              city taxpayers are footing the bill for her






            1              private lawsuit, but if that is true why is


            2              the city's insurance company paid $28,700 to


            3              Attorney Reihner for private legal services?


            4              More appropriately, why is Attorney Reihner


            5              billing the city's insurance company at all


            6              for Mrs. Gatelli's private legal services?


            7              There is a current balance of $22,473.  Who


            8              is going to pay that balance since it is all


            9              attributed to Attorney Reihner representing


           10              Mrs. Gatelli as a private citizen?


           11                      How could Attorney Reihner be


           12              confused as to who would pay him for


           13              representing Mrs. Gatelli as a private


           14              citizen or was there no confusion?  Did


           15              Attorney Reihner at all times understand


           16              that he would be paid by the city's


           17              insurance company to represent


           18              Mrs. Gatelli's private lawsuit.  Mrs.


           19              Gatelli stated last week as follows:


           20                      "There was a ruling from a judge


           21              that you are entitled to personal --" I'm


           22              sorry, "There was a ruling from a judge that


           23              you are not entitled to personal


           24              information," but I have with me the only


           25              three orders issued in her case, not any of






            1              them say that.  Perhaps Mrs. Gatelli can


            2              produce such an order.


            3                      At issue is not how much


            4              Mrs. Gatelli may or may not have been paid


            5              Attorney Reihner for private legal services,


            6              the issue is that it is clear and undisputed


            7              that the taxpayers of the City of Scranton


            8              have thus far paid $28,700 to Attorney


            9              Reihner with another $22,000 due for legal


           10              work he provided to advance the private


           11              lawsuit of Mrs. Gatelli. Thank you.


           12                      And I also would like to say one


           13              more thing, with all due respect to Mike


           14              Dudek what he said before about gays


           15              flaunting their life-style I take it, I beg


           16              to differ.  Gay people are no different than


           17              heterosexuals, and I think it was outrageous


           18              to make that statement.  They are no


           19              difference, they are equal in every respect


           20              and they should have every right.


           21                      MR. UNGVARSKY: Good evening, City


           22              Council, I'm Tom Ungvarsky, and I'm a member


           23              of the Scranton Lackawanna County Taxpayers.


           24              Several weeks ago you had Mrs. Aebli in here


           25              to answer some of your questions.  You had






            1              them sitting at this table over here.  I sat


            2              directly behind her and I couldn't hear a


            3              one of her answers.  In the future, I wish


            4              you would have them come to this podium so


            5              that the people in the gallery can hear


            6              them.


            7                      Over the summer months while city


            8              council was on vacation I would occasionally


            9              turn on Channel 61 and most of the time I


           10              would get replays, however, I never saw one


           11              city council replayed.  I think it would


           12              have been a good idea, Mr. McGoff, if


           13              Channel 61 would show some of these replays


           14              from past weeks.


           15                      This coming Thursday night, the


           16              Scranton Lackawanna County Taxpayers will be


           17              meeting in this room and we will be


           18              interviewing the candidates for judgeship.


           19              We will also have the two judges that are


           20              running for retention.  It is open to the


           21              public.  It will start at 6:00, and I hope


           22              that Channel 61 will show it more than once.


           23                      Several weeks ago, we had a very


           24              important meeting.  We had some people in


           25              from Wilkes-Barre who are having trouble






            1              with reassessment.  They took the time to


            2              come in here from Luzerne County and explain


            3              to us what the problems were that they are


            4              having with reassessment down there.  I did


            5              not get the chance to see it on Channel 61


            6              and I don't know how many times they did


            7              show it, but an important meeting like that


            8              should have been shown over and over again.


            9                      I understand that you people have


           10              representatives that were supposed to


           11              interview Channel 61.  If that is so, I wish


           12              you would you get Mr. Welby here to answer


           13              some of the questions as to why there is


           14              such little coverage of things that go on


           15              with the administration of this city.  I


           16              thank you.


           17                      MS. STULGIS:  My name is Ann Marie


           18              Stulgis, and I'm a city resident and a city


           19              taxpayer.  While we are talking about 61,


           20              does anyone know when we are going to have


           21              the computer feeds that we were supposed to


           22              have a year ago because I don't -- I don't


           23              have Comcast, I happen to be a part of the


           24              police contract consequently, no pay raise


           25              for seven years, I can't afford it, I have






            1              an antenna, and I would really appreciate


            2              seeing the council meetings.  I haven't seen


            3              them in over a year.


            4                      Also, just a little background


            5              information that I don't know if you are


            6              aware of or not, but I know you discussed


            7              the part-time grant writer that was employed


            8              by the city.  She has been employed as a


            9              full-time grant writer for a number of years


           10              with the county.  She has handled the same


           11              exact types of grants and there has never


           12              been once been a problem with those grants.


           13              The young woman knows exactly what she is


           14              doing and how to do it, just so you know


           15              that.


           16                      Now, my main reason for being here


           17              is that I understand that there was someone


           18              here making accusations about a candidate


           19              for city council having a "criminal record."


           20              Having been a police officer for a number of


           21              years in the City of Scranton, I thought


           22              maybe I should clarify what a criminal


           23              record is.  It would be if you plead guilty


           24              or convicted of or something along those


           25              lines of a crime, a crime.  That would be a






            1              misdemeanor or a felony.  A summary offense


            2              which would be a traffic violation, an open


            3              beer container, a parking ticket, they are


            4              all the exact same rating.  They are all


            5              summary offenses and summary offenses do not


            6              constitute a criminal record.  If they did,


            7              then I would have a criminal record because


            8              God knows I had two parking tickets, and


            9              Mr. Minora would have a criminal record


           10              because he has had several parking tickets,


           11              Mrs. Fanucci --


           12                      MS. FANUCCI:  We know about mine, we


           13              have heard about them for a year.  I didn't


           14              know they were even more.


           15                      MS. STULGIS:  And she doesn't have a


           16              criminal record either.  None of the


           17              candidates running on the Democratic ticket


           18              for City Council have a criminal record, and


           19              I think it's ashame that someone would come


           20              in here and make a statement like that


           21              without checking their facts.  It's liable


           22              to say the least.  You can't say that about


           23              someone without it being fact and it


           24              obviously is not fact.  We are talking about


           25              a traffic ticket that's someone received in






            1              2003 when they went to the magistrates,


            2              plead guilty and paid immediately.  It's all


            3              available on-line, you can go check it out


            4              under the state court system.


            5                      We're talking about a year later


            6              getting another traffic violation which is


            7              considered traffic control devices, it's not


            8              a point violation.  Again, he went


            9              immediately to the magistrate, plead guilty


           10              and paid the fine, and then during the


           11              college days had an open container.  If,


           12              Mr. Courtright, you were to walk next door


           13              and stand on your neighbor's sidewalk with a


           14              beer in the summertime you could be cited


           15              for the same thing.  It's not a big crime,


           16              and again, when he got it he went to the


           17              magistrates, plead guilty and paid.


           18                      What does that tell me?  That the


           19              person is morally, ethically presentable,


           20              young, human being who is very honest.  He


           21              did not shy away.  There were no warrants.


           22              He did not hide anything.  He knew he did


           23              something wrong and he went and took care of


           24              it immediately.  That speaks volumes and for


           25              somebody to come in here and say they have a






            1              criminal record that's absolutely


            2              despicable.  Absolutely horrible.


            3                      Also, Bill, if you would do me a


            4              favor, I don't think that gentleman is


            5              correct, but if you could check to see if


            6              we -- if Scranton Police Department has, in


            7              fact, seated jurisdiction to -- I didn't


            8              think that they --


            9                      MR. COURTRIGHT: No, we didn't.


           10                      MS. STULGIS: No, so they don't have


           11              jurisdiction off campus unless it's a felony


           12              in progress.  Thank you very much that.


           13                      MR. SLEDENZSKI:  Last one, Bill.


           14              Best for last.  Best for last.


           15                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  That's right.


           16                      MR. SLEDENZSKI: Well, Bill, what


           17              happened Friday?  We just got bonked right


           18              down to the ground.


           19                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Yeah, we didn't make


           20              it.


           21                      MR. SLEDENZSKI:  The game is on TV


           22              this week, 7:00 game, everybody watch it.


           23              Thank you.


           24                      MR. COURTRIGHT: All right, Chris.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF: Mrs. Evans?






            1                      MS. EVANS: Good evening.  I first


            2              wish to respond to two statements made


            3              during last week'S council meeting.  The


            4              council president stated that the Scranton


            5              smoking ban repeal cost nothing with the


            6              possible exception of loss business for some


            7              establishments.  In truth, however, many


            8              Scranton restaurants and bars suffered


            9              significant financial losses because of the


           10              council authorized smoking ban.  Scranton


           11              businesses pay mercantile and business


           12              privilege taxes which are based on their


           13              gross receipts.  Thus, when a business


           14              losses profits, the amount of mercantile and


           15              business privilege taxes paid to the city


           16              decreases.


           17                      Further, when employees were let go


           18              or their work hours were downsized, the


           19              amount of wage taxes paid to the city


           20              decreased as well.


           21                      Also, during the period of the local


           22              smoking ban enactment, it seems there were


           23              at least two lawsuits filed against the


           24              city.  Not what became of them I don't know.


           25                      MS. FANUCCI: Ask Joe, he is here.






            1                      MR. MCGOFF: Please.


            2                      MS. EVANS: Three have been several


            3              lawsuits against the city about which city


            4              council has never been notified.  Thus, this


            5              council violation of state law did have


            6              financial consequences for many.


            7                      It may also be accurate that no


            8              sheriff's sale has occurred as a result of


            9              the delinquent real estate taxes, as


           10              Mr. McGoff noted, however, it is a fact that


           11              many homeowners were charged thousands of


           12              dollars above and beyond what was owed for


           13              delinquent taxes and those monies or


           14              revenues are in the pocket of NCC, not the


           15              City of Scranton.  There is a better and


           16              fairer way to likely maximize delinquent tax


           17              collections which may be instituted into


           18              2010 with the approval of a new council.


           19                      As of October 5, 2009, actually, I


           20              can update that, October 6, city council had


           21              not received a finalized independent audit


           22              of 2008.  Once again, Rossi & Sons Auditing


           23              Firm is in no way responsible for the


           24              tardiness of this document.  Upon receipt of


           25              the audit, I hope to report dead figures for






            1              the City of Scranton and it's municipal


            2              authorities.


            3                      In addition, summaries of


            4              Pennsylvania Economy League meetings have


            5              not been sent to council on a timely basis.


            6              The last meeting summaries received were for


            7              early August and summaries were devoid of


            8              details for each listed topic.  Neil, please


            9              send a second notice to PEL requesting the


           10              meetings summaries from August 2009 through


           11              the present.


           12                      And finally, I have a hefty list of


           13              citizens' requests for the week:


           14                      City residents report that


           15              Lackawanna Avenue is dark from the end of


           16              the Steamtown Mall to the Radisson Hotel.


           17              Streetlights appear to be out.  Please


           18              contact MEM Municipal Energy Management to


           19              have the problem addressed.


           20                      South Side residents report that a


           21              property located at the top of Meadow Avenue


           22              and River Street intersection has a private


           23              property sign yet the lot is very overgrown


           24              and covered in high weeds.  Please contact


           25              the owner to clean up the property.






            1                      A tree located between 840 and 842


            2              Quincy Avenue was marked for trimming by


            3              Mr. Santolli more than a year ago.  Tree


            4              branches have damaged the homeowner's


            5              property by breaking windows and scratching


            6              vehicles.  Please contact the DPW to trim


            7              this tree before winter weather sets in.


            8                      The 800 block of Quincy Avenue,


            9              there is permit parking in this block, yet


           10              vehicles are often parked without permits.


           11              Residents ask that the permit parking is


           12              monitored by the police department.  In the


           13              past, police were able to ticket more than


           14              20 cars that were illegally parked.


           15                      Also, residents of the 300 block of


           16              Wheeler Avenue report that the vehicles


           17              without parking permits are left for days


           18              and are never ticketed.  They too request


           19              that the police monitor their block for


           20              parking violations.


           21                      A letter to Mr. Oleski and


           22              Mr. Seitzinger: Please provide a written


           23              update on the Washburn Street Cemetery on or


           24              before October 19, 2009.  Overgrown grass


           25              and weeds as well as toppled tombstones are






            1              deplorable.  The owner provides little to no


            2              provincial care of the grave areas.  Such


            3              conditions disrespect the deceased and


            4              appear to violate contracts.  Has the owner


            5              been warned and/or cited yet?  A cemetery


            6              worker states that the Washburn Street


            7              Cemetery is in the worst condition he has


            8              ever seen.  This cannot be allowed to


            9              continue and the owner must be cited.


           10                      Please send a letter to the


           11              Department of Health regarding the


           12              restaurant located at the 301 North Main


           13              Avenue.  Neighbors on Lafayette Street


           14              continue to report that their homes and


           15              neighborhood are infiltrated by smoke from


           16              this restaurant.  Perhaps, the health


           17              department can assist with this issue since


           18              city employees are unable to solve the


           19              problem.


           20                      Also, on September 16, 2009, there


           21              was a second chimney fire in less than a


           22              year in this establishment.  It seems the


           23              chimney may require cleaning as well.  The


           24              neighbors remain very upset and as a result


           25              I am not satisfied that there health and






            1              welfare has been addressed.


            2                      A letter to Daron Northeast on


            3              Dickson Avenue.  Trucks and forklifts have


            4              been observed piling rocks in the lot prior


            5              to 7 a.m. Dust problems continue so much so


            6              that the evergreens bordering Daron's


            7              property appear to be dying.  Immediate


            8              measures must be taken to control the dust


            9              that is a health and welfare issue to this


           10              neighborhood.


           11                      Next, I received an e-mail from a


           12              Hill Section resident regarding a nuisance


           13              property to which the police have been


           14              called twice in the last three weeks.  Also,


           15              there may be an issue of an illegal


           16              conversion to an apartment.  I would like


           17              copies of this e-mail sent to


           18              Mr. Seitzinger, Mr. Wallace and the Scranton


           19              Police Department accompanied by a request


           20              to respond to these issues.


           21                      I also received a community


           22              complaint form from a member of the Hill


           23              Neighborhood Association.  The conditions


           24              listed on this complaint must be addressed


           25              by a city inspector and the animal control






            1              officer as soon as possible.  I am aware


            2              that the Hill Section currently has no


            3              assigned inspector and this void should be


            4              addressed and hopefully it will be earlier


            5              in the new year.  However, an inspector from


            6              the nearest section of Scranton should


            7              address these complaints at this time.  I


            8              would like copies of this complaint given to


            9              Licensing and Inspections, animal control


           10              and the police department.  Council also


           11              requests a written update regarding these


           12              Hill Section properties on or before


           13              October 3, 2009.


           14                      The door on the house at 601-603


           15              Wheeler Avenue was boarded up last week.


           16              Also, the weeds were cleared around the fire


           17              hydrant and my thanks go out to the DPW and


           18              to Mr. Oleski who is trying to contact that


           19              owner.


           20                      Please send a copy of a letter


           21              received by council today to the Scranton


           22              Police Department regarding a South Side


           23              drug house.


           24                      And, finally, council wishes to know


           25              the funding source of the Lackawanna County






            1              Health and Welfare Board, and that's it.


            2                      MR. MINORA: I can answer that about


            3              the Lackawanna County Health and Welfare


            4              Authority, if you would like?  They don't


            5              fund anything.  They are not going to be


            6              funding the Marywood project.


            7                      MS. EVANS: It's run through them.


            8                      MR. MINORA: Yes, they are a


            9              flow-through in order to get municipal


           10              interest rates that a nonprofit can't get


           11              which are lower.  They don't bind the city


           12              to anything.  We are not obligated to pay it


           13              back, the taxpayers are not liable for that,


           14              the organization is the university, Marywood


           15              University has a sole responsibility for the


           16              payback.  They are just a flow-through.


           17                      MS. EVANS: And the legislation


           18              that -- well, I don't have it before me


           19              tonight, it was provided in the backup, and


           20              I will provide that information to


           21              Mrs. Schumacher next week, it lists exactly


           22              what organizations they are able to, for


           23              lack of a better term, do business with or


           24              use themselves as this flow-through, so I


           25              will get that for you.






            1                      However, though, I do notice as I


            2              read the minutes of their meetings, Attorney


            3              Minora, that they do actually have funding.


            4              They have a --


            5                      MR. MINORA: They have expenses.


            6                      MS EVANS: They have a treasurer's


            7              report, they will report what balance in


            8              their account, what condition the CD's are


            9              in, etcetera, so maybe we could determine


           10              what the source of those funds would be.


           11                      MR. MINORA:  Well, I'm sure that's


           12              available, but I think the concern now is


           13              that it's not taxpayer money going to fund


           14              these things.


           15                      MS. EVANS: Oh, no, it's not.


           16                      MR. MINORA:  Most of Allied Services


           17              was built through the Health and Welfare


           18              Authority, same way.  Most of the hospitals


           19              are the same way.


           20                      MS. EVANS: And, as you said, the


           21              city does not pledge it's full faith and


           22              credit other than --


           23                      MR. MINORA: Right.  Exactly.


           24                      MS. EVANS: -- to this loan, so the


           25              taxpayers of the City of Scranton are in no






            1              way financially responsible or obligated


            2              should their be a failure of payment in the


            3              future.


            4                      MR. MINORA: I would think the


            5              authority must have a public budget.  I


            6              wasn't able to look at it, but as an


            7              authority they must have, and I'm sure under


            8              the Freedom of Information Act can request


            9              or provide it with their annual budget or


           10              source of funds used to fund it as any


           11              budget would.


           12                      MS. EVANS:  Thank you.


           13                      MR. MINORA: You are welcome.


           14                      MS. GATELLI: Amil, as long as you


           15              are on the air, I wanted to you to discuss


           16              the letter you got from the Attorney General


           17              concerning the gun law.


           18                      MR. MINORA: I did.  I got that -- it


           19              was sent to me through the DA's Office, it


           20              was actually addressed to the District


           21              Attorney himself.  The Attorney General


           22              Corbett suggested that ordinances of the


           23              sort that Scranton was considering not be


           24              acted upon at this time for a number of


           25              reasons:  One, there is a clear preemption






            1              in the firearms statutes.  A preemption is


            2              not as easily understood as people would


            3              like it to be, but in this particular


            4              instance what the Firearms Act says under


            5              Title 18 is:  "No county municipality or


            6              township may in any manner regulate the


            7              lawful ownership, possession, transfer or


            8              transportation of firearms, ammunition or


            9              ammunition components when carried or


           10              transported for purposes not prohibited by


           11              the laws of the Commonwealth."


           12                      That's what you call a clear


           13              preemption.  Preemption can be a state


           14              passed a statute that covers some area


           15              similar to what a municipality might want to


           16              legislate on.  That's not a clear preemption


           17              and that requires a Court decision.


           18                      Incidentally, that was the big


           19              difference between smoking and this one that


           20              I will tell you about.  So his suggestion is


           21              to wait, there are two-cases in the Supreme


           22              Court, to pass anything like we were


           23              considering last week.


           24                      I have a -- I mean, I would gladly


           25              share this and make a copy of it for all.






            1                      MS. GATELLI: Thanks, Amil.  The


            2              first thing I would like to talk about is I


            3              sent a letter back in the beginning of


            4              September concerning the Castle Restaurant


            5              in North Scranton.  If you have read the


            6              paper the last few days there was an


            7              incident there over the weekend concerning


            8              guns and weapons.  I asked the zoning


            9              officer to look into it.  He is in the


           10              hospital and is not working.  I also spoke


           11              to Representative Kevin Murphy concerning


           12              this matter and I will try to reach him


           13              again to see if he has looked into the


           14              problem at all.  There was a problem there,


           15              I did report it and I hope that the other


           16              two establishments that I have been talking


           17              about don't have similar incidents.


           18                      The one is -- we've got three of


           19              them that went to the Liquor Control Board.


           20              One went concerning the Clubhouse on Capouse


           21              Avenue, "The Bureau of licensing objects to


           22              the renewal of the client's license," and


           23              it's from the Liquor Control Board so that


           24              license is being challenged.


           25                      Another one from the LCB is 4521






            1              Pittston Avenue, better known as the Amber


            2              Bar.  Their history of operation indicates


            3              abuse of license and privilege.  "It is


            4              alleged that you have been abusing your


            5              license and privilege and you may no longer


            6              be eligible to hold a license."  They will


            7              be contacted at a later date for a hearing,


            8              so their license is also being challenged by


            9              the Liquor Control Board.


           10                      And the final one that is being


           11              reviewed by the Liquor Control Board is


           12              Bennie's LLC, 731 Pittston Avenue, better


           13              known to people in that area as Tom and


           14              Jerry's.  The activity there is not limited


           15              to shots fired, weapons, fights, assaults,


           16              loud music, interfering with police and


           17              disorderly operations.


           18                      So these are some places that I have


           19              been complaining about.  Nuisance bars are


           20              certainly a very real threat to


           21              neighborhoods and the people that live near


           22              these establishments should file their


           23              complaints with the Liquor Control Board or


           24              the District Attorney's Office so we can in


           25              turn send them to the District Attorney --






            1              to the LCB.


            2                      Last week I read a list of streets


            3              that were being paved by the gas company.  I


            4              would like to apologize to the water company


            5              because they too were participating in this


            6              paving.  It wasn't just the gas company, so


            7              my apologies to the water company for not


            8              giving you credit for paving some of the


            9              streets where you had dug up some of the


           10              pavement to do your work.


           11                      As far as speakers talking about


           12              other speakers, I myself don't find that


           13              appropriate.  I think that everyone is


           14              allowed to come here and if you disagree


           15              with what they say I don't think that that


           16              should matter.  I don't think it should


           17              matter if they come here at election time.


           18              That speaker is there for everyone.


           19              Everyone has freedom of speech, not just the


           20              people that come here every week, and I just


           21              don't think that's fair.


           22                      I do know Mrs. Williams and, you


           23              know, she does come here and, you know, I


           24              don't know always agree with her myself, but


           25              she has every right to speak here and, you






            1              know, that's the way it's been operating


            2              here for quite sometime.  If you don't like


            3              what the people say they are ridiculed, some


            4              of them were spit on, and know, that's the


            5              idea here, you know, just have the crew here


            6              that has one agenda in mind and harass the


            7              rest of the people, including the people up


            8              here getting harassed.


            9                      I know people that come to that


           10              podium that supported Bob Cordaro.  They had


           11              signs in their yard, and that's okay, that's


           12              fine, but he raised the taxes 48 percent.  I


           13              didn't see you down there complaining to him


           14              when he raised them 48 percent, you had a


           15              sign in your yard for him, so you are a


           16              bunch of hypocrites.  That's all I can say.


           17              You are here for one agenda and one agenda


           18              only.


           19                      You are here to harass us up here,


           20              taking our picture every week, trying to


           21              intimidate us, and you won because we lost,


           22              so your tactics worked and I'm sure you will


           23              do it to the next crowd, too, if they don't


           24              agree with certain things.


           25                      The police record will come out from






            1              that boy and then you will say he does have


            2              a police record if he doesn't agree with the


            3              majority, you will use the same tactics with


            4              the next crowd and it's ashame because no


            5              one wants to run for city council.  No one


            6              wants to subject themselves to this and it's


            7              really ashame.  You have hijacked the city


            8              and I hope you have a good time.


            9                      I hope you straighten it out, I


           10              really do, because I love Scranton and I


           11              have worked in the city my whole life, most


           12              of you know that, and because I didn't agree


           13              with you it was another story, and I was


           14              never against the cops and firemen and I


           15              resent when people say that.  Never did I


           16              ever do one vote up here against a firemen


           17              or a police officer.  I fought for them in


           18              the neighborhoods.  I know you don't want to


           19              hear it, but I'm going to say it anyway


           20              because I did and I'm very proud of it.


           21                      And you can keep writing, Nelson,


           22              keep writing away.


           23                      MR. ANCHERANI:  I will.


           24                      MS. GATELLI: Just keep on doing it.


           25              Because you've all have skeletons in your






            1              closets, and we all know what they are.


            2              Many people that come there haven't been the


            3              best citizens and haven't got their jobs in


            4              the best way, so it's very funny that you


            5              can criticize other people.  It's not very


            6              nice.  It's not nice to intimidate people.


            7                      If you disagree, that's fine, go for


            8              it, but to come here week after week, take


            9              our picture so you can put it on the


           10              Internet and intimidate us, that's


           11              disgusting.  We just had an assembly on that


           12              in school today about bullying and bullying


           13              on the Internet, and we are teaching the


           14              kids not to do that because it's not right.


           15              There is children in the United States that


           16              commit suicide because people say stuff on


           17              the Internet about them.  It's not right.


           18              Not right at all.


           19                      I did my best while I was here and I


           20              will continue until the end and then I will


           21              go back to my neighborhood and continue to


           22              work and fight for police officers in my


           23              neighborhood and to keep my firehouse open


           24              and I will be here when necessary at that


           25              end of the podium and at the zoning board






            1              where you see me so many times, where you


            2              say I don't have a right to go there either.


            3              I have right to go there and speak for my


            4              neighborhood and I will continue to do that.


            5              Thank you very much.


            6                      MS. FANUCCI: I received today a


            7              report from OECD on all of the practices


            8              that they have had month.  It was a report


            9              that Linda gave us.  It's five pages long so


           10              I'm not going to read the entire thing, but


           11              it's on everything from the homebuyers


           12              program to all of the grants, so everything


           13              that's been given out so I'd like to make


           14              copies and have that submitted and, Neil,


           15              maybe you can make copies and make sure


           16              everybody gets this for next week.


           17                      Also, I do agree that on the topics


           18              of guns and weapons that it's not right for


           19              people to bring weapons into city hall.


           20              I -- unfortunately, as of right now there is


           21              nothing to stop anyone from doing it.  We


           22              don't have legislation and, Amil, I'd love


           23              to give you a little bit more work, but if


           24              we can look into something and what we can


           25              do, if we can actually write legislation and






            1              then figure out a way to back it up.


            2                      Unfortunately, this is going to cost


            3              the taxpayers' money because then there is


            4              going to have to be ways to stand and ways


            5              to do things, but maybe if we can just


            6              research it a little bit to see what we can


            7              do.


            8                      MR. MINORA: I'm going to pass around


            9              this opinion I have gotten from the Attorney


           10              General.  There may be some very limited


           11              areas where it can be -- where there can be


           12              legislation, but much of it is preempted by


           13              the state law, very clear preemption, so


           14              I'll look into the area, frankly, I intended


           15              to anyway.


           16                      MS. FANUCCI: Right.


           17                      MR. MINORA:  I had my mind on that.


           18                      MS. FANUCCI: Thank you.  And I am


           19              going to also piggyback a little bit on what


           20              Judy said.  It's amazing to me, I love irony


           21              and this place is full of it.  As one person


           22              is up speaking at the podium saying we are


           23              not giving Phyllis her fair share and her


           24              free speech and in the same breath saying


           25              someone else is coming here and I don't want






            1              like they are saying, they shouldn't be able


            2              to say that.  They should have their facts


            3              straight.  If we honestly screened


            4              90 percent of this the speakers for facts, I


            5              don't know how far we would get.


            6                      I mean, it was okay for someone to


            7              get up here week after week and accuse me of


            8              my parking tickets in the past, not one of


            9              you got up and defended me.  Why not?  Why


           10              not?  Why weren't you worried about me then?


           11                      Let's be honest.  That's not what


           12              it's about.  It's not about the right to


           13              speak or the right for someone to say the


           14              truth or what needs to be said, it's about


           15              the game, and you are very, very good.  I


           16              give you kudos, all of you are very good.


           17              It's very, very well calculated and I'm


           18              proud.  I'm proud because if I didn't watch


           19              it I couldn't believe it could actually take


           20              place.  If I didn't watch the hallway


           21              meetings and the secret little passing of


           22              notes, it's like a higher end high school.


           23              A higher end high school, but only if it's


           24              benefiting you, personally you.  It doesn't


           25              matter what's going on out there, and it






            1              doesn't matter who you are taking down and


            2              how are you doing it.


            3                      Today alone we had speakers get up


            4              and say that things were given to people


            5              because of who they were, that the mayor is


            6              now not caring about the city because he is


            7              running for office.  Mrs. Evans ran for


            8              another office while she was a city council


            9              woman, so did Mr. Courtright, it's sort of


           10              what happens in the political world.  Did it


           11              mean at that Mrs. Evans didn't like city


           12              council anymore, didn't care about her city


           13              because she was going to be a state rep?


           14              No.  But for some reason now we are going to


           15              play this end.


           16                      It is almost absurd because one hand


           17              you say one thing on the other you do


           18              another.  You can't expect it, so by my


           19              point of view, yeah, I would love for it not


           20              to happen at all.  Do I believe people get


           21              up and be able to say things that aren't


           22              correct and take down people with them,


           23              business owners or local people who are


           24              doing what they think is right or they


           25              believe?  We have people get up and bash






            1              businesses for opening because they didn't


            2              think it was the type of business we should


            3              have in the city.  They are wrong.  They


            4              shouldn't have that type.  That's never


            5              going to make it because of one person


            6              thinking it won't make it and putting it out


            7              there, to me is that supportive?  Is that


            8              something we want to do?  Is that who we are


            9              as council?  No. Is that who we are as a


           10              city?  No. We heard it tonight, we are


           11              supposed to band together.  I love that


           12              speech.  I wish it were true.  Wouldn't it


           13              be a nice world.  Let's start it.  I think


           14              it's great, but we can't do it only when


           15              it's going to benefit the people who are


           16              here or your people or your candidates who


           17              are for everyone, but everyone else.


           18                      I did what I did because I liked


           19              running for office.  I'm still happy with


           20              it.  Judy did the same thing.  So did I


           21              Bill, so did Janet, so did Bob.  We all did


           22              it with the same intent, but for some reason


           23              when you get in this chambers that all


           24              changes.  I sat here tonight and watched, we


           25              had our cameo visit from Mr. Pilcheski and






            1              his wife, which is always nice.  We watched


            2              you guys pass around all of your stuff in


            3              the back and all gather and in the same


            4              token have somebody saying, "I don't know if


            5              there is it a lawsuit pending," well, we


            6              could just ask him.  Why don't we bring him


            7              up?


            8                      We don't want to spend money on


            9              lawsuits, but it's okay for the lawsuits


           10              that we're paying that he is suing, that's


           11              okay, for everyone else that's okay, but


           12              other lawsuits aren't, so if we are not


           13              going to pay for lawsuits let's stop it.


           14              Let's make it a wrong on all ends.  Don't


           15              support the people who are suing the city


           16              because you are the city.  You are the city


           17              regardless, so if you're upset that one


           18              person has to pay, whether or not I'm not


           19              sure what goes on there and I don't really--


           20              I'm just saying, he started the lawsuit, we


           21              have a lawsuit pending, a countersuit


           22              happens, you are not mad at the person who


           23              started the lawsuit, are you not mad at the


           24              person who sued you in the beginning,


           25              because you are the taxpayer, you are mad at






            1              a countersuit.  Why?  Because they are your


            2              friends.  They are your buds.  Hang out.


            3              Help write some of our -- I believe one of


            4              our, what was it -- it helped with some of


            5              our legislation I believe at one point


            6              trying to pass our budget.  I believe you


            7              give some insight of that.


            8                      That's okay.  It should be.  Yeah.


            9              It should be, but don't want it be different


           10              when it's you.  Don't want it be different


           11              for us.  It's everyone here is the same


           12              thing, we have the same rules.  We want


           13              everything better, so now that we are in


           14              this peace, love and joy mode after today I


           15              think it's wonderful.  I think we should all


           16              move on and let whatever happens in the


           17              political world happen.  Stop with the talk


           18              about elections here.  I would love that


           19              from day, I said that from day one.  We


           20              should not even be able to speak on it


           21              about.  It shouldn't be an issue.  Just move


           22              on and let that happen outside of here, but


           23              it will never happen.  In fact, it's going


           24              to be ten times worse.


           25                      So, yeah, I have to admit I have had






            1              parking tickets also in the past, and they


            2              weren't all mine, but I did.  So that is all


            3              I have.  I just think a lot of what is said


            4              here seems to be one-sided, and that's okay,


            5              and it's going to be a lot worse in the next


            6              few months at least then you will have your


            7              constant podium to enjoy, and that is all I


            8              have.  Thank you.


            9                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Yes.  On the gun


           10              issue I'll just make my position clear, I am


           11              in favor of that legislation, and the only


           12              reason I didn't vote for it because it was


           13              brought up that there was a lawsuit pending


           14              and I didn't want to see the same thing


           15              happen that happened with the smoking ban.


           16              If they say that it's legal, and I'm still


           17              here, I will vote for it.  I'm certainly in


           18              favor of it.


           19                      The University of Scranton police,


           20              I'm not quite sure how many people they have


           21              that have been through Act 120 and are


           22              certified, two or three, but to the best of


           23              my knowledge their arrest powers are on


           24              University property and they do not --


           25              aren't going to be coming into your home, as






            1              some said.


            2                      One thing that came up tonight, and


            3              we all ran for office, right, and we all


            4              chose to be here, and so we are fair game


            5              and I have been fortunate, I haven't been


            6              attacked as some of the others, but you


            7              know, I guess somebody mentioned somebody's


            8              child at the podium there and to me no


            9              matter how old your child is it's still your


           10              child.  They could be 27, I know we think as


           11              children as 10, 11 years old, but they are


           12              always your children.  I don't think they


           13              are fair game.  I don't think anybody's


           14              child should be brought into anything you


           15              do.  If you don't like one of us, that's


           16              fine.  If you want to come after us, that's


           17              fine, we chose to run for this, but I really


           18              don't believe that any time that anybody's


           19              children, whether it's on this council or


           20              the mayors or anybody, should be brought


           21              into the mix.  I don't think there is any


           22              place for that.  That bothers me.


           23                      And lastly, because I experienced


           24              it, and I call it tent city because that's


           25              what the people that live there call it and






            1              I do not recommend you to go into tent city


            2              because they are protective of what little


            3              they have, so I don't recommend you going


            4              down there.  I think we all know where it


            5              is.  I had a reason to be there and I had


            6              occasion to be there and I walked the whole


            7              length of it and I did not see any children.


            8              I only saw one female and her and her


            9              husband I believe had just arrived in this


           10              area from Arkansas and they had no where to


           11              go so they were down there.


           12                      And in all honesty, some of these


           13              people don't want to leave there, all right?


           14              I mean, you can't make them go to a shelter.


           15              You can't make them get a home.  I spoke to


           16              one gentleman, I said, "What are going to do


           17              when the winter comes?"


           18                      He said, "I've been here for two


           19              winters, I'm fine."


           20                      He had an elaborate system.  He has


           21              his name over his house, I guess for lack of


           22              a better word.  He had a fishing rod there,


           23              all kinds of canned goods and some people


           24              say, well, why don't the police chase them?


           25              If they chase them they are going to go






            1              somewhere else, all right, and they are


            2              going to chase them from there, so I think


            3              that the thought is this if they are not


            4              bothering anybody leave them alone, but I


            5              did not see any children.


            6                      And if that gentleman had seen


            7              children, young children as you said, I


            8              wasn't asking him to tell us so that we can


            9              get them in trouble, I was asking him, I


           10              think every one of us here would have been


           11              in favor of trying to help a child, you


           12              know.  I think he thought we were going to


           13              try to get them ripped away from their


           14              parents, but some people don't want help.


           15              That's just a fact of life.  Some people


           16              don't want help.


           17                      The shelters, to the best of my


           18              knowledge, almost never turn anybody away.


           19              Even when they are full sometimes if there


           20              is no where else for them to go they will


           21              try to make accommodations.  If they were


           22              drinking or if they're on drugs they don't


           23              allow them in and that's a fact and,


           24              unfortunately, a good percentage of the


           25              homeless in this area are drinking or on






            1              drugs.


            2                      I witnessed -- not witnessed, but I


            3              was involved in a situation where they


            4              attacked a guy for three cans of beer, and


            5              that's just a reality.  I mean, we can't


            6              close our eyes to what goes on in this city


            7              and it goes on in every city not just in


            8              this city, but I can understand what that


            9              gentleman was saying about the homeless, but


           10              I don't agree with a lot of what he said.


           11              And again, if there is any children, if


           12              anybody knows of any children I guess we're


           13              considered the city leaders here, you know,


           14              and so maybe when we are asked to do


           15              something, but I think each and every one of


           16              us would do whatever we could to help us and


           17              if you aware of that situation let us know.


           18                      I think maybe he took what you were


           19              saying the wrong way, Judy, I think you were


           20              trying to rip children away.


           21                      MS. EVANS: I think he thought that


           22              children would be taken from their parents


           23              and he didn't want to separate family.


           24                      MS. GATELLI:  Oh, no.  They would


           25              find a place for them right away.






            1                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I think he


            2              misunderstood you.


            3                      MS. GATELLI: Oh, my goodness.


            4                      MR. COURTRIGHT: That's what my


            5              thought is, and for women, I mean, we have


            6              areas in this town for battered women, but


            7              they don't make it public because they are


            8              battered women.  I mean, I just happen to


            9              know where some of them are.


           10                      So could we do more?  Yes.  And do


           11              we need more?  Yes?  Especially in the


           12              economic times that we have now.  But,


           13              please, if you know of any children let one


           14              of us know or let the mayor know or


           15              somebody, obviously, I have not been on the


           16              mayor's side for the bulk of the time I've


           17              been here, but I don't think he is in favor


           18              of children being homeless, he has to be


           19              against that, and I'm sure he would help, so


           20              if there is out there and if that gentleman


           21              watches this reply please tell us, we going


           22              to try to help them.  We are not going to


           23              try to rip these children away from the


           24              parents.


           25                      And, I don't know, I kind of think






            1              we hit a new low here tonight.  I think we


            2              need to get these meetings under control, I


            3              just don't know how we going to do that, but


            4              to me it's a little embarrassing when we


            5              have to stop a meeting, so most of us won't


            6              be here next year and I hope that the next


            7              council is able to control the people better


            8              than this council was able to because I


            9              don't think it sheds a good light on the


           10              city.


           11                      So I wish the next council the best


           12              of luck, and I hope things go a little


           13              better for them than it did for us and maybe


           14              they can learn from some of the mistakes we


           15              made, and that's all I have.  Thank you.


           16                      MR. MCGOFF: A couple of things that


           17              I would like to react to:  Number one, last


           18              week's meeting was disconcerting for a lot


           19              of people.  I am not one that has ever fired


           20              a gun, I have never owned one, I'm sitting


           21              in a room full of people carrying guns,


           22              especially at a business meeting it was


           23              something that was, as I said,


           24              disconcerting.


           25                      However, with that said, we met with






            1              the police prior to the meeting, we talked


            2              about what might occur, I took the advice of


            3              the police and spoke with other members of


            4              council and we proceeded with what we


            5              thought was the best way of dealing with the


            6              situation.


            7                      I would like to also commend the


            8              people that attended the meeting for the way


            9              they dealt with the situation.  It could


           10              have been -- become very volatile.  People


           11              acted with restraint, with decorum and the


           12              meeting proceeded without incident.  I don't


           13              feel badly about that at all.


           14                      Should there be something done to


           15              prevent people from taking weapons into a


           16              public meeting?  I believe that's an


           17              absolute must.  There are so many incidents


           18              of -- incidents occurring where people are


           19              killed or injured at public meetings where


           20              people bring in weapons.  There needs to be


           21              something done. The problem is, as Attorney


           22              Minora said, we are limited in what we can


           23              do.  This is something that needs to be


           24              addressed at the state level that is beyond


           25              our control.  Should we encourage our






            1              representatives to do something?  I would.


            2                      However, we all know that any time


            3              anything mentioning any type of restraint of


            4              weapons comes about in any type of forum at


            5              any level of government, it's met with


            6              resistance, and as long as people are


            7              looking for votes, as long as politicians


            8              are elected, it's going to be difficult to


            9              change any laws dealing with firearms, and


           10              so it's something that I don't know how we


           11              live with it or we have to live with it, but


           12              again, I feel that you know, what occurred


           13              last week, while it was, as I said,


           14              disconcerting it was something that we


           15              needed to address and I thought we addressed


           16              it properly.  Had we cancelled the meeting


           17              or done something it would have happened at


           18              the next meeting.  There was just no way of


           19              avoiding it.  Hopefully, it doesn't occur


           20              again.


           21                      During my teaching career I taught


           22              social studies taught government, whenever


           23              we got to riots we used to talk and I used


           24              to tell my students that just because


           25              something is legal it doesn't make it right






            1              and it doesn't make it appropriate, and what


            2              we saw last week was I think an


            3              inappropriate display of a person's rights.


            4              I think that people carrying guns in here


            5              should have shown more restraint.  There was


            6              no need to do that.  The message could have


            7              been -- the message could have been sent


            8              without the display and, like I said, I hope


            9              it doesn't occur in the future.


           10                      The other thing that I would really


           11              like to address is the decorum of meeting.


           12              I think Mr. Courtright is right.  We may


           13              have reached a new low tonight.  This is a


           14              business meeting and unless people come here


           15              with the idea that this is the business of


           16              the city and that we are going to conduct


           17              the business of the city during this meeting


           18              then they don't belong here.  I know that


           19              that may, you know, offend some people that


           20              everybody has a right to be here, well, if


           21              the only intent is to come and perform or to


           22              come and disrupt then you do not belong at a


           23              business meeting.


           24                      MS. HUMPHRIES: You cause the


           25              disruption.






            1                      MR. MCGOFF: My point made.  And


            2              that's for everyone in this chamber and


            3              everyone that was in this chamber.  This is


            4              a business meeting.  Unless we are


            5              discussing business of the city, unless we


            6              are conducting ourselves in a way in which


            7              we are dealing with the legislation, the


            8              problems concerning this city, then we


            9              don't -- we should not be speaking, and we


           10              should not be acting.


           11                      We need to get it back to what it is


           12              supposed to be.  We need to come here with


           13              the intent of conducting the business of the


           14              city, and I say that for all of us, and


           15              until that happens --


           16                      MS. HUMPHRIES:  I love my city


           17              council and I am --


           18                      MR. MCGOFF:  Until that happens we


           19              are not --


           20                      MS. HUMPHRIES: I apologize.


           21                      MR. MCGOFF: Until this happens there


           22              is nothing that we can do other than


           23              arresting people and making a bigger


           24              spectacle of this meeting it's going to


           25              devolve even further.  And, like I said, I






            1              think -- hopefully this was the lowset and


            2              that we can begin to move forward and bring


            3              better decorum to the meetings.  And with


            4              that said, let's move to what we should be


            5              here for.


            6                      MR. MINORA: 5-B NO BUSINESS AT THIS


            7              TIME.  SIXTH.  6-A.  READING BY TITLE - FILE


            8              OF COUNCIL NO. 88, 2009 - AN ORDINANCE -


            9              AMENDING FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 49, 2008, AN




           11              BUDGET 2009" BY TRANSFERRING $4,400.00 FROM


           12              ACCOUNT NO. 01.051.00051.4010 (LICENSE &




           14              01.051.00051.4101 (UNIFORM




           16              REIMBURSE EMPLOYEES IN THE LICENSE &


           17              INSPECTIONS DEPARTMENT FOR MILEAGE.


           18                      MR. MCGOFF: You have heard reading


           19              by title of Item 6-A, what is your pleasure?


           20                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I move that Item 6-A


           21              pass reading by title.


           22                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


           24              those in favor signify by saying aye.


           25                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.






            1                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


            2                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


            3                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


            4                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


            5              ayes have it and so moved.  Did someone care


            6              to make a motion to move that to Seventh


            7              Order?


            8                      MS. GATELLI: I'll make a motion that


            9              we move 6-A to Seventh Order.


           10                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Second.


           11                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?  This


           12              is being done at the request of the people


           13              who are awaiting the reimbursement.  They


           14              have been waiting for I believe some time


           15              and we were asked to move this forward so


           16              that they can receive those funds.  When it


           17              gets to Seventh Order we will provide time


           18              for anyone to speak on it on that particular


           19              item.


           20                      MR. MINORA: 6-B.


           21                      MR. MCGOFF: We didn't vote on the


           22              motion.


           23                      MR. MINORA: Oh, I thought you did.


           24              I'm sorry.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF:  All in favor of moving






            1              6-A to Seventh Order please say aye.


            2                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


            3                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


            4                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


            5                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


            6                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


            7              ayes have it and so moved.


            8                      MR. MINORA: 6-B. READING BY TITLE -


            9              FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 89, 2009 -  AN


           10              ORDINANCE- AMENDING FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 49,


           11              2008, AN ORDINANCE ENTITLED "GENERAL CITY


           12              OPERATING BUDGET 2009" BY TRANSFERRING


           13              $390.00 FROM ACCOUNT NO. 01.040.00040.4201




           15              SERVICES) TO ACCOUNT NO. 01.040.00040.4120






           18              REMAINING 2009 PAYMENTS FOR THE BUSINESS




           20              PREMIUMS.


           21                      MR. MCGOFF: You have heard reading


           22              by title of Item 6-B, what is your pleasure?


           23                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I move that Item 6-B


           24              pass reading by title.


           25                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.






            1                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


            2              in favor signify by saying aye.


            3                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


            4                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


            5                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


            6                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


            7                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


            8              ayes have it and so moved.


            9                      MR. MINORA: 6-C.  READING BY TITLE-


           10              FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 90, 2009 - AN ORDINANCE-


           11              AMENDING FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 49, 2008, AN




           13              BUDGET 2009" BY TRANSFERRING $1,610.00 FROM


           14              ACCOUNT NO. 01.011.00071.4390 (POLICE




           16              NO. 01.011.00071.4120 (POLICE




           18              PROVIDE FUNDING TO COVER THE REMAINING 2009


           19              PAYMENTS FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT


           20              LIFE/DISABILITY INSURANCE PREMIUMS.


           21                      MR. MCGOFF: You have heard reading


           22              by title of Item 6-C, what is your pleasure?


           23                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I move that Item 6-C


           24              pass reading by title.


           25                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.






            1                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


            2              in favor signify by saying aye.


            3                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


            4                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


            5                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


            6                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


            7                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


            8              ayes have it and so moved.


            9                      MR. MINORA: 6-D. READING BY TITLE -


           10              FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 91, 2009- AN ORDINANCE -










           15              LOT 173, BLOCK 13, WARD 21 IN THE CITY OF


           16              SCRANTON, TAX MAP NUMBER 13320-010-034.


           17                      MR. MCGOFF: You have heard reading


           18              by title of Item 6-D, what is your pleasure?


           19                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I move that Item 6-D


           20              pass reading by title.


           21                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.


           22                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


           23              in favor signify by saying aye.


           24                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           25                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.






            1                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


            2                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


            3                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


            4              ayes have it and so moved.


            5                      MR. MINORA: SEVENTH ORDER.  FINAL


            6              READING.  7-A. FOR CONSIDERATION BY THE


            7              COMMITTEE ON RULES - FOR ADOPTION -


            8              RESOLUTION NO. 181, 2009 - APPROVING THE






           11              PROJECTS FOR THE BENEFIT OF MARYWOOD






           14              THAT IT IS DESIRABLE FOR THE HEALTH, SAFETY


           15              AND WELFARE OF THE PEOPLE OF THE CITY OF






           18              TO HAVE THE PROJECTS PROVIDED BY AND




           20              THE MAYOR OF THE CITY, OR, IN HIS ABSENCE,




           22              COUNCIL, AS THE PERSON TO ACT ON BEHALF OF






           25              INTERNAL REVENUE CODE OF 1986, AS AMENDED;






            1              AUTHORIZING SUCH MAYOR OF THE CITY OR THE


            2              PRESIDENT OR VICE PRESIDENT OF THE CITY




            4              ON BEHALF OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY AS




            6              AND AUTHORIZING OTHER NECESSARY AND


            7              APPROPRIATE ACTION.


            8                      MR. MCGOFF:  As Chair for the


            9              Committee on Rules, I recommend final


           10              passage of Item 7-A.


           11                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.


           12                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  Roll


           13              call, please?


           14                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.


           15                      MS. EVANS:  Yes.


           16                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Gatelli.


           17                      MS. GATELLI.  Yes.


           18                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.


           19                      MS. FANUCCI:  Yes.


           20                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. Courtright.


           21                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Yes.


           22                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes.  I hereby declare


           24              Item 7-A legally and lawfully adopted.


           25                      MR. MINORA: 7-B, formerly 6-A.






            1                      MR. MCGOFF: Any speakers on what is


            2              now 7-B?  Please proceed.


            3                      MR. MINORA: 7-B.  READING BY TITLE -


            4              FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 88, 2009 - AN ORDINANCE-


            5              AMENDING FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 49, 2008, AN




            7              BUDGET 2009" BY TRANSFERRING $4,400.00 FROM


            8              ACCOUNT NO. 01.051.00051.4010 (LICENSE &




           10              01.051.00051.4101 (UNIFORM




           12              REIMBURSE EMPLOYEES IN THE LICENSE &


           13              INSPECTIONS DEPARTMENT FOR MILEAGE.


           14                      MR. MCGOFF:  What is the


           15              recommendation of the Chairperson for the


           16              Committee on Finance?


           17                      MS. GATELLI:  As Chair for Finance,


           18              I recommend final passage of Item 7-B.


           19                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.


           20                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  Roll


           21              call, please?


           22                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.


           23                      MS. EVANS:  Yes.


           24                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Gatelli.


           25                      MS. GATELLI.  Yes.






            1                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.


            2                      MS. FANUCCI:  Yes.


            3                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. Courtright.


            4                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Yes.


            5                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.


            6                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes.  I hereby declare


            7              Item 7-B legally and lawfully adopted.


            8              Motion to adjourn.


            9                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.


           10                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you for your


           11              participation.






































            3                     C E R T I F I C A T E




            5        I hereby certify that the proceedings and


            6   evidence are contained fully and accurately in the


            7   notes of testimony taken by me at the hearing of the


            8   above-captioned matter and that the foregoing is a true


            9   and correct transcript of the same to the best of my


           10   ability.







                                    CATHENE S. NARDOZZI, RPR

           14                       OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER