1              SCRANTON CITY COUNCIL MEETING








            5                          HELD:




            7               Tuesday, September 29, 2009




            9                        LOCATION:


           10                    Council Chambers


           11                 Scranton City Hall


           12              340 North Washington Avenue


           13                Scranton, Pennsylvania











































                MS. JANET E. EVANS



            9   MS. SHERRY FANUCCI



                MR. WILLIAM COURTRIGHT



           12   MS. KAY GARVEY, CITY CLERK






           15   MR. PAT SCANLON, SOLICITOR


























            1                      (Pledge of Allegiance recited and


            2              moment of reflection observed.)


            3                      MR. MCGOFF:  Roll call.


            4                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.


            5                      MS. EVANS:  Here.


            6                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Gatelli.


            7                      MS. GATELLI:  Here.


            8                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.


            9                      MS. FANUCCI:  Here.


           10                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. Courtright.


           11                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Here.


           12                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF:  Here.  Dispense with


           14              the reading of the minutes, Third Order.


           15              3-A.


           16                      MS. GARVEY: 3-A. MINUTES OF THE


           17              SCRANTON-LACKAWANNA HEALTH & WELFARE


           18              AUTHORITY MEETING HELD ON FEBRUARY 19, 2009.


           19                      MR. MCGOFF: Are there any comments?


           20              If not, received and filed.


           21                      MS. GARVEY: 3-B. MINUTES OF THE


           22              SCRANTON-LACKAWANNA HEALTH & WELFARE


           23              AUTHORITY MEETING HELD ON JUNE 18, 2009.


           24                      MR. MCGOFF: Are there any comments?


           25              If not, received and filed.






            1                      MS. GARVEY: 3-C. MINUTES OF THE




            3              AUGUST 26, 2009.


            4                      MR. MCGOFF: Are there any comments?


            5              If not, received and filed.


            6                      MS. GARVEY: 3-D. MINUTES OF THE




            8              AUGUST 26, 2009.


            9                      MR. MCGOFF: Are there any comments?


           10              If not, received and filed.


           11                      MS. GARVEY: 3-E. MINUTES OF THE




           13              AUGUST 26, 2009.


           14                      MR. MCGOFF: Are there any comments?


           15              If not, received and filed.


           16                      MR. MCGOFF: 3-F. MINUTES OF THE




           18              HELD ON AUGUST 26, 2009.


           19                      MR. MCGOFF: Are there any comments?


           20              If not, received and filed.


           21                      3-G. AGENDA FOR THE NON-UNIFORM




           23              SEPTEMBER 23, 2009.


           24                      MR. MCGOFF: Are there any comments?


           25              If not, received and filed.






            1                      3-H. 2008 AUDIT FOR THE SCRANTON


            2              PARKING AUTHORITY.


            3                      MR. MCGOFF: Are there any comments?


            4              If not, received and filed.


            5                      MS. GARVEY: That's it for Third


            6              Order.


            7                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mrs. Garvey.


            8              Any announcements from council?


            9                      MS. EVANS: Yes.  St. Peter and Paul


           10              Roman Catholic Church, 1309 West Locust


           11              Street in Scranton will hold a fall festival


           12              and bazaar October 11 in the church hall


           13              from 11:30 a.m. to 5:00 p.m.  The festival


           14              will feature ethnic Polish foods such as


           15              potato pancakes, piggies and haluski as well


           16              as theme baskets, children's stands and


           17              baked goods.


           18                      Dine at Friendly's in Dunmore on


           19              Wednesday, October 14, from 5 to 8 p.m.


           20              Proceeds will be donated to the St. Francis


           21              of Assisi Food Kitchen.  Because of your


           22              generosity, last year the Interfaith Friends


           23              Committee was able to donate over $6,000 to


           24              the food kitchen.  Many people were fed


           25              because of your support.  Once again, you






            1              can make a difference and feed those in


            2              need.


            3                      Holy Name of Jesus Church will


            4              conduct it's annual roast beef dinner on


            5              October 4 from noon to 4 p.m. at the Parish


            6              Hall on Scranton's East Mountain.  Tickets


            7              are $9 per adults, $5 for children and can


            8              be can be purchased at the door.  The roast


            9              beef and the coleslaw, believe me, are out


           10              of this world.  Can eat in then takeouts


           11              will be available from 11 a.m. to 4:00 p.m.


           12                      According to ECTV, dates for Comcast


           13              channel changes are as follows:  On Monday,


           14              October 5, Channel 61 government access will


           15              be aired on Channel 19.  Channel 62


           16              education will be aired on Channel 21.


           17                      Lastly, a reminder to senior


           18              citizens, flu vaccine clinics will offer


           19              flue shots from 10 a.m. to 2 p.m. next


           20              Monday at the Downtown Senior Center;


           21              Tuesday, October 6, at the South Side Senior


           22              Center; Wednesday, October 7, at the West


           23              Side Senior Center; Thursday, October 8,


           24              Dunmore Senior Center; Friday, October 9,


           25              Taylor Senior Center; and on Wednesday,






            1              October 14 at the Jewish Community Center in


            2              Scranton.  Th shot is free for all seniors


            3              with Medicare Part B primary insurance, all


            4              Aetna plans, Bravo and High Mark Freedom


            5              Blue.  Without proper insurance, the cost is


            6              $30.  Remember, it is very important to get


            7              your seasonal flu shot.  That's all.


            8                      MR. MCGOFF: Anyone else?  Citizens'


            9              participation.  Andy Sbaraglia.


           10                      MR. SBARAGLIA: Andy Sbaraglia.


           11              Citizen of Scranton, fellow Scrantonians.  I


           12              see you have the audit from the Scranton


           13              Parking Authority.  I suppose you all went


           14              into it in great depth because the fact is


           15              the figures that they give for the -- of


           16              course, it's a 2008 audit, I don't see any


           17              encouragement in that audit.  I don't see


           18              anything at all.  First of all, their


           19              long-term debt in 2008 was $52,860,000.


           20              That's for the Parking Authority.  That's


           21              how much they are in debt for and how much


           22              do they generate in income a year?


           23              $3,034,331.  Their bond payments are almost


           24              three million a year.  Don't you see


           25              something is wrong there?  Now they are






            1              looking to borrow again.  I don't know, I --


            2              some of you weren't here when they had


            3              a letter of credit that's granted them and


            4              all of the parking revenue is put up as a


            5              guarantee.  Mr. Courtright may remember it.


            6              Okay, so they have a letter of credit, so


            7              chances are you will never see how much they


            8              borrow.  All that you know, you can't borrow


            9              your way out of debt, and I keep telling you


           10              this, there is a sword hanging over the


           11              taxpayers in Scranton.  When that rope


           12              breaks we are going to get our heads cut off


           13              because we have to make it up, and there is


           14              no reason for it.  All you have to do if you


           15              don't understand the audit, ask somebody to


           16              explain it to you.  Explain exactly what's


           17              happening.  I mean, the only reason they are


           18              not in a big hole now is because they got


           19              30-year bonds, okay?  Thirty years from now


           20              is when they are going to pay them off.


           21              Them garages will be falling apart by then


           22              and they can't fix the garage.  You are


           23              already taking so many thousands I think to


           24              fix the sidewalks for them people.  In other


           25              words, they can't even make the repairs on






            1              the garages themselves and there is no way


            2              they are going to be able to pay it in the


            3              next ten years, 15 years when they actually


            4              do fall apart and you have to, of course,


            5              none of us might not even be here, but


            6              somebody is going to be here, your


            7              grandchildren are going to be here, I hope.


            8              Something you got to really, really get into


            9              that audit and really break it down so you


           10              know what they are going to do and how much


           11              they plan to borrow with their letter of


           12              credit and if that letter of credit is still


           13              in affect because, believe me, if they can't


           14              make it, pay their bills every year, then


           15              what good are they?  You might as well sell


           16              off the garages and take that yolk from


           17              around our necks.  I'm just sorry that you


           18              believe that everything is a rosy down


           19              there, but believe me, that audit does not


           20              say it's rosy.  It says it's marginal.  If


           21              it wasn't for the city giving them that


           22              million bucks they would have went long ago.


           23              I'm sorry to say that.  But I hope you do


           24              live up to your responsibility to the city


           25              and check into these authorities, all of the






            1              authorities and really check out their


            2              financial status.  Them audits, an audit is


            3              an audit like you keep saying you can do


            4              anything with an audit even they are


            5              supposed to be accurate, but I can't see any


            6              hope for the Scranton Parking Authority, I


            7              really can't.


            8                      And when, first of all, they are


            9              giving away spaces.  I don't know how many


           10              spaces they plan to give away to the Connell


           11              building, they gave 120 away to the Hilton.


           12              That's money lost.  That's revenue lost.  A


           13              loss they can't afford to lose.  That's the


           14              sad part of it.  Every penny that they get


           15              really has to be accounted for.  Just like


           16              in your house, if you -- if you have a bill


           17              coming up and you know you got to pay that


           18              bill then you got to make sure you have


           19              money to pay that bill without going to the


           20              banks and borrowing the money to pay off the


           21              bill because now you got to a bill that's


           22              paid off, but you still got to go to the


           23              bank, and that's what's happening with the


           24              Parking Authority.  They are not getting rid


           25              of their bills, they are making more bills.






            1              I thank you.


            2                      MR. MCGOFF: Joe Dwyer.


            3                      MR. DWYER: Good evening, members of


            4              council, and citizens of Scranton out here


            5              in the viewing audience.  I'd like to speak


            6              to you about some of the articles that have


            7              been recently ran in the Scranton Times


            8              about the medical care given to the


            9              prisoners over in Lackawanna County.  I am


           10              sad to report or sad to say that the medical


           11              care over there is so deficient it has


           12              killed people, it has maimed people and


           13              there are --and the people are so threatened


           14              to ask for medical care because they are


           15              told they will be placed in a hole if they


           16              ask for care.  One such person is Chris


           17              Capone, he is a 23-year-old guy.


           18                      MR. MCGOFF:  Please, specifics


           19              are -- and plus this is a county issue that


           20              we have no control over the county prison.


           21                      MR. DWYER: You have no control over


           22              the county prison itself, but you do have


           23              control in asking for an investigation of


           24              what's going on in that prison.


           25                      MS. FANUCCI: No, we don't.






            1                      MR. MCGOFF: No, we don't.


            2                      MS. FANUCCI: And we can't.


            3                      MR. DWYER: Well, something needs to


            4              be done because what's happening next.


            5                      MR. MCGOFF: I would suggest going to


            6              a commissioner's meeting.


            7                      MR. DWYER: We will be going to the


            8              commissioner's meeting.  We also have the


            9              ACLU there who is doing an investigation.


           10              The state department is now getting


           11              involved, but what is going on is atrocious


           12              and it needs to stop.  These are family


           13              members, these are our brothers, are


           14              sisters, our songs and our daughters and


           15              they need some help.  They need to know that


           16              the community cares about them.  Some people


           17              are in jail because they need to be there.


           18              Other people who are addicts don't need to


           19              be locked up in a prison, they need a


           20              rehabilitation center.  Thank you for your


           21              time.


           22                      MR. MCGOFF: Mike Dudek.


           23                      MR. DUDEK:  Mike Dudek, 608 Depot


           24              Street, Scranton, PA, that's in the Plot.


           25              I'm here to talk to you about basically a






            1              story that appeared about a month ago on the


            2              History Channel and it's in reference to all


            3              of the cities that they consider rust built


            4              cities from Pennsylvania all the way east to


            5              Boston, so that would be not only Boston,


            6              New York, but cities like Scranton, Utica,


            7              Schenectady and so forth.  Most of these


            8              cities, including ours, were founded more


            9              than 100 years ago.  In other words,


           10              100 years ago we were a bustling city


           11              already which means that Scranton a


           12              100 years ago had an extremely extensive


           13              water supply system.  All of these other


           14              cities are the same, okay?


           15                      Now, they estimate that for New York


           16              City, which is a city that has a municipal


           17              water system, and this is a system that is


           18              constantly inspected day in and day out and


           19              day in and day out, even New York City loses


           20              10 percent of all of the water coming into


           21              that city through the water pipes coming


           22              from the lakes that are above New York that


           23              service them and they think that in our


           24              smaller cities, in all of our smaller


           25              cities, the loss will be greater because are






            1              systems are not going to be as good as New


            2              York was when even they were discovered.


            3              With that thought in mind, and if you live


            4              on Division Street I think you will know


            5              what I'm talking about, I think we ought to


            6              require the Pennsylvania American Water


            7              Company to tell city council exactly where


            8              their problem areas are in the city, what


            9              kind of water loss they are experiencing and


           10              what plans they are making to do about it.


           11                      If you live on Division Street, the


           12              one thing you would love to have would be


           13              running water on a timely basis.  We don't


           14              have it on Division Street so that's one


           15              area of known loss in this city.


           16                      Now, you may recall, Mr. Courtright,


           17              a couple of times I came to you, you know,


           18              here at council to talk about streets that


           19              seem to be giving in like at Nay Aug Avenue


           20              and Albright.  When I talked to you about


           21              that one, eventually when they went down


           22              there to dig it out they found a hole so big


           23              you could put a fire in the whole that was


           24              there complete with the ladder section


           25              behind it.  It was enormous.  Absolutely






            1              enormous.  That was an area of water loss.


            2              So since Scranton is the only rust built


            3              city that is a mining city we have all of


            4              these mines underneath, any water that is


            5              lost coming in the Pennsylvania American


            6              Water system will get into these mines and


            7              make the land even weaker and weaker.


            8              Remember, about a year ago or two, it may


            9              have been a year or two ago on Pittston


           10              Avenue a man was driving down Pittston


           11              Avenue and the car and the man and


           12              everything else disappeared, the street


           13              caved in and Pittston Avenue was tied up for


           14              four months until they could fill the hole


           15              in.  That was done by water that was being


           16              lost from the Pennsylvania American system.


           17              We have to make sure this doesn't happen


           18              again.


           19                      Now, I can tell you that I won't


           20              even walk behind the Guild Studios.  I won't


           21              even walk back there, let alone drive my car


           22              over it because as I am walking I can see a


           23              crack in the street.  When I look at the


           24              crack in the street I see this enormous


           25              canyon under there and something has got to






            1              be done about that one.


            2                      So let us get ahold of Pennsylvania


            3              American Water Company, find out through


            4              them what does their system look like, what


            5              is the oldest parts and so forth and let's


            6              start a program of preventative maintenance


            7              removing some of these old 100 and 120-year


            8              old mains and pipes, do it now, rather than


            9              before they break and really cause problems


           10              for us.  Thank you.


           11                      MR. MCGOFF: Jean Suetta.


           12                      MS. SUETTA: Good evening, Jean


           13              Suetta.  I think you all know why I'm here.


           14              I want some answers, please.  Like Bob said


           15              before, now we got people living in the


           16              jungle.  The Japanese bamboo is so much


           17              overrun on Gardener Avenue down by the


           18              shopping center, Godzilla might be in there


           19              for all I know.  There was a fugitive hiding


           20              in a box car.  Take a ride over, you can't


           21              even see the box car for the Japanese


           22              bamboo.  I have been coming here how long


           23              for this problem?


           24                      MS. FANUCCI: Weeks.


           25                      MS. SUETTA:  And I get (indicating.)






            1              What?  Now the corrugated box took care of


            2              their side on Gardener Avenue, I don't know


            3              who owns that other lot.  I gave you the


            4              number, you the name, VIP.  Still nothing


            5              done.


            6                      Now, I got a problem across the


            7              street from my house, Greenwood Sanitation.


            8              Their offices are on Albright Avenue, the


            9              back of the building they got three cones so


           10              nobody can park there.  You can't even see


           11              the cones now they are overgrown, and the


           12              Lace Works is building up again, so now


           13              what?


           14                      MS. FANUCCI: Send another letter.


           15                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  I don't know what


           16              to tell you, Jean, we're I'm trying.


           17                      MS. SUETTA: You know, what do I got


           18              to do, get a bunch of little kids, give them


           19              some fluid and tell them to get rid of this


           20              stuff for me?


           21                      MR. COURTRIGHT: No, Jean.


           22                      MR. MCGOFF: No, please, don't do


           23              this.


           24                      MS. SUETTA: Well, then how are we


           25              going to get rid of it?  I mean, I'm coming






            1              here and coming here and coming here.  You


            2              know my house was robbed, remember?


            3                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Yes.


            4                      MS. SUETTA: I heard from detective


            5              that Wednesday, oh, I'll call you back.


            6              Every morning I open my phone I have a dial


            7              tone, no detectives call.  Esposito.


            8                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Spinozi?


            9                      MS. SUETTA:  No telephone call.


           10              Pick up my phone, there is the dial tone.


           11                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I'll call him, Jean.


           12                      MS. SUETTA:  Yeah.  You know, it's


           13              not funny until you get robbed then, you


           14              know, now I'm sleeping with a machete.  If I


           15              get a gun I feel sorry for the fool that


           16              comes in my house.  I feel sorry for him now


           17              if he comes in.  You don't know what it's


           18              until you get robbed, invade my privacy.


           19              And don't ring that bell, all right.  Are we


           20              going to do anything about the bamboo?


           21                      MS. FANUCCI: We'll send another


           22              letter.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF: Jean, I will go


           24              personally to Mr. Oleski tomorrow and ask


           25              him --






            1                      MS. SUETTA: I mean, it is bad.


            2                      MR. MCGOFF:  I will go and tell him


            3              specifically that they should get out there


            4              and do what they can to alleviate the


            5              problem.


            6                      MS. SUETTA: Because, you know, a


            7              little kid is going to go walking by there


            8              and with the crazies out there today God


            9              forbid what happens if something happens to


           10              a little kid.  Then it's going to be too


           11              late because they all walk over to the


           12              shopping center.  And who is Mr. Oleski?


           13                      MR. MCGOFF: I said I will go


           14              tomorrow.


           15                      MS. SUETTA: Who is he.


           16                      MS. EVANS: Deputy Director of Public


           17              Safety.


           18                      MR. MCGOFF: He is basically the


           19              person that does the, you know, cleanups and


           20              authorizes the cleanups and demolitions and


           21              so on.


           22                      MS. SUETTA: So how come the bank or


           23              the Giant ain't cleaning up that lot across


           24              the street from me?


           25                      MR. MCGOFF: I can't answer for what






            1              they do and don't do.


            2                       MS. SUETTA: I know, are they being


            3              fined?  I mean, three months is a long time


            4              to look at it.


            5                      MS. FANUCCI: I don't think so.


            6                      MS. SUETTA: So why aren't they being


            7              fined?


            8                      MR. MCGOFF: Like I said, I will look


            9              into it.


           10                      MS. GATELLI: Maybe we can ask for a


           11              report from the inspector that's assigned to


           12              that.


           13                      MS. SUETTA: You are seeing if they


           14              are doing their job.


           15                      MS. GATELLI: And see if they're


           16              filing a report.


           17                      MR. COURTRIGHT: He is going to go


           18              down tomorrow personally.


           19                      MS. SUETTA:  Are you going to call


           20              me and let me know the results?


           21                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes.


           22                      MS. SUETTA: I'll give Neil my phone


           23              number.


           24                      MR. COURTRIGHT: He doesn't already


           25              have it?






            1                      MS. FANUCCI: He does.  We know this.


            2                      MS. SUETTA:  You have my phone


            3              number, Neil?


            4                      MR. COOLICAN: No.


            5                      MS. SUETTA: No, he doesn't.


            6                      MR. COOLICAN: Bill might have it


            7              though.


            8                      MS. SUETTA:  Bill has my phone


            9              number.


           10                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  I was down there


           11              last week, I beeped at you, you ignored me


           12              so I kept going.


           13                      MS. SUETTA: No. No you didn't.


           14                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  I did, too.  Last


           15              week I was down there.


           16                      MS. SUETTA:  That's when we were


           17              having the drug raid there.


           18                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  I don't know, Jean.


           19              In all seriousness he is going to take care


           20              of it tomorrow.


           21                      MS. SUETTA:  I would appreciate it.


           22              Thank you.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF: Les Spindler.


           24                      MR. SPINDLER: Good evening, Council.


           25              Les Spindler, city resident and homeowner






            1              and taxpayer.  Last week, Mr. McGoff, you


            2              said you didn't vote for Mrs. Evans' motion


            3              because that would guarantee that nobody


            4              from the Parking Authority would come here


            5              and, Mr. McGoff, if that's the case why


            6              don't you use your subpoena power to get


            7              them in here?  That's a question,


            8              Mr. McGoff.


            9                      MR. MCGOFF: Because we have


           10              attempted that and it hasn't worked either.


           11                      MR. SPINDLER: Well, pursue the issue


           12              and take it to court.  Use your power, you


           13              have it.  I know what the real reason is,


           14              Chris Doherty doesn't want Mr. Scopelitti in


           15              here so you are not going to do anything


           16              against Chris Doherty.


           17                      MR. MCGOFF:  If you knew the answer


           18              why did you ask me the question?


           19                      MR. SPINDLER: I just wanted to get


           20              it out there for everybody else to hear.


           21                      MR. MCGOFF: Okay.


           22                      MR. SPINDLER: And to quote Mr.


           23              Scopelitti from the Doherty newsletter last


           24              week, he said, "The Scranton Parking


           25              Authority," and I quote, he said, "It's a






            1              sound ship."


            2                      Well, if it's a sound ship then why


            3              did they need a line of credit?  The sound


            4              like crickets.


            5                      Mrs. Evans, last week I'm glad you


            6              set the record straight on your voting


            7              record on the business loans.  I think it's


            8              pretty sad how people are sent here to lie


            9              about things and try to discredit you and


           10              funny how people come here and say they love


           11              the city, but the only time they come here


           12              is around election time, and myself and a


           13              lot of other people come here every single


           14              week we love this city and we are here every


           15              week fighting for what we think is right.


           16              People who come here only around election


           17              time are only looking out for Chris Doherty,


           18              they are not looking out for anybody else.


           19                      Now, I have something I wanted to


           20              bring up since July, but since I couldn't


           21              come to these meetings.  On the meeting of


           22              July 14, Mr. McGoff, Mrs. Gatelli and


           23              Mrs. Fanucci said you are insulted by


           24              something Andy Sbaraglia said.  Well, you


           25              know what, myself as a taxpayer and a lot of






            1              other taxpayers in this city are insulted


            2              every time the three of you do what Chris


            3              Doherty wants you to do and vote the way he


            4              wants you to vote and it costs us money,


            5              such as these outrageous fees and penalties


            6              and delinquent taxes and a 25 percent tax


            7              hike.  So think about that next time you are


            8              insulted.


            9                      And, Mrs. Fanucci, you had the gaul


           10              to call Mr. Sbaraglia ignorant when you sit


           11              up there week after week and insult people,


           12              laughing at them and giggling at them and


           13              you have the gaul to call him ignorant?


           14              Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.


           15                      MS. FANUCCI: You waited all summer


           16              for that, Les?


           17                      MR. SPINDLER: I have a job I have to


           18              go to every day, so I couldn't come here.


           19                      MS. FANUCCI: You should have


           20              e-mailed me.


           21                      MR. SPINDLER:  Next thing, since


           22              Chris Doherty doesn't want to be a man, he


           23              wants to be governor, I think on November 3


           24              everybody should write someone else's name


           25              in and not let this guy get away it.  Thank






            1              you for your time.


            2                      MR. MCGOFF: Lee Morgan.


            3                      MR. MORGAN: Good evening, Council.


            4              You know, I think a lot of people love the


            5              city and they don't come here, I'd like to


            6              say that.  I don't disagree with some of the


            7              things that Les said.  But, you know, I find


            8              it very interesting that this gentleman came


            9              here tonight and I came in and I didn't


           10              catch everything that this gentleman said,


           11              it's probably the first time he's been here,


           12              he came here and he started and I believe he


           13              was talking about the prison.  I would just


           14              like to say that, you know, I have spent


           15              some time studying what's happened at the


           16              prison, it's a terrible thing, and I'm glad


           17              that somebody came here tonight to try to


           18              shed some light on the lack of health care


           19              and the abuses that have taken place in this


           20              prison.


           21                      You know, I came here and I asked


           22              council to do a proclamation for a lady who


           23              spent a lot of time in that prison working


           24              with the prisoners.  I have spent a lot of


           25              time studying what's taken place in that






            1              prison and I find it to be atrocious and I


            2              really have to say that the Court of Common


            3              Pleas I think is responsible for that


            4              prison, and I think that the abuses that


            5              take place there shouldn't be taking place


            6              there.  I think the judges should have


            7              stepped in a long time ago.  Food is


            8              substandard there, health care is


            9              nonexistent there to a very large extent.  I


           10              have talked to prisoners who have come out


           11              of there.  I have talked to women who had


           12              the most atrocious crimes committed against


           13              them in that prison and I'm not talking


           14              about rape or anything else.  This is my


           15              opinion, Mr. McGoff.  This is called freedom


           16              of speech.


           17                      MR. MCGOFF: Well, that's fine, but


           18              it's not city business.


           19                      MR. MORGAN: I don't have to only


           20              talk about city business here.  That's


           21              already been adjudicated by the Court.  This


           22              is my common concern.  I have a right to


           23              come--


           24                      MR. MCGOFF: No, actually the courts


           25              have said that it should be city business.






            1                      MR. MORGAN:  No, I disagree.


            2                      MR. MCGOFF: I can get the court


            3              ruling.


            4                       MR. MORGAN:  You can get that Court


            5              ruling, but now if we are on Court ruling


            6              let's switch gears a little bit and ask the


            7              big question.


            8                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.


            9                      MR. MORGAN: But by no means do I


           10              agree with what you said, but I think since


           11              you've got an opinion here I'd like to ask


           12              your opinion on something else, and since


           13              you feel free to give your opinions I'd like


           14              to hear your opinion to this question, how


           15              did the city give away it's right to set


           16              sewer rates in the City of Scranton with the


           17              American Anglican deal?  I'd like you to


           18              answer that question for me tonight.


           19                      MR. MCGOFF: I don't know exactly


           20              what you are asking.  We voted --


           21                      MR. MORGAN: Mrs. Evans, at the


           22              debates, if you remember the debates, said


           23              that the City of Scranton lost it's right to


           24              set the sewer rates because of the deal with


           25              American Anglican when the mayor ran the






            1              deal through American Anglican and I'm


            2              asking you since you have so much wisdom I'm


            3              standing here tonight asking you to answer


            4              that question.


            5                      MR. MCGOFF: Well, I don't have it


            6              with me.


            7                      MR. MORGAN: Can you bring it another


            8              day and explain to all of the residents of


            9              this city how this city -- how this council


           10              happened to lose the right to set the sewer


           11              rates that set in the Home Rule Charter and


           12              did the judge sign that off?  How did the --


           13              how did the city council break the rules of


           14              council so severely that it lost the right


           15              to set the sewer rates?


           16                      MR. MCGOFF: I don't believe we did,


           17              but --


           18                      MS. GATELLI: I believe from what I


           19              know, and I'm not claiming it to be the


           20              truth.


           21                      MR. MORGAN:  Okay.


           22                      MS. GATELLI: Okay?  I'd have to


           23              investigate it further, but as far as I


           24              remember asking the question, I was told


           25              that the lease agreement was up.  They had a






            1              lease agreement with the city for let's say


            2              20 years, and in that lease agreement was


            3              included the rates would go through city


            4              council and that lease agreement was up.  It


            5              was terminated.  Twenty years was up and


            6              that gives them the right to set their own


            7              rates.


            8                      MR. MORGAN: Who, the mayor?


            9                      MS. GATELLI: Well, the mayor doesn't


           10              set it, the sewer authority sets the rate.


           11                      MR. MORGAN:  So you have no say over


           12              the rates?


           13                      MS. GATELLI:  Not without a lease


           14              agreement and from what I understand the


           15              lease agreement was up, the 20 years or 30


           16              or however many years this agreement was for


           17              the time was up on that.


           18                      MR. MORGAN: So what you are saying


           19              to me then is that the sewer authority has


           20              no watchdog and that the sewer authority can


           21              spend out of control fiscally and punish


           22              every resident in this city and they have no


           23              recourse because they're not under --


           24                      MS. GATELLI: Well, we don't set the


           25              parking authority rates either.






            1                      MR. MORGAN: Well, look at where the


            2              parking authority is.  I mean, you know,


            3              let's be honest with each and other and


            4              let's take it one more step.  You know, why


            5              are all of the authorities abolished because


            6              evidently you lack the courage to use your


            7              subpoena powers.  The city is absolutely


            8              destitute and broke.  You can talk about


            9              poverty in this city and you can talk about


           10              blight, but let's talk about overtaxation


           11              and a body which doesn't use it's authority


           12              for the betterment of the residents?


           13                      I mean, Mr. McGoff, you know, I


           14              appreciate hour opinions, but what would


           15              your opinion be of turning this city around


           16              since you are council president?  Why are we


           17              facing all of the debt we are facing, why


           18              are we allowing all of these authorities to


           19              borrow all of the money and why hasn't there


           20              been subpoenas issued and you said that they


           21              don't work.  I don't remember you issuing a


           22              subpoena and ever following the process.  Am


           23              I wrong?


           24                      MR. MCGOFF: Yes, you are.


           25                      MS. GATELLI: We did issue one for






            1              Ken McDowell and we got no where.


            2                      MR. MORGAN: Well, that was the tax


            3              office.  That's a different animal.


            4                      MS. GATELLI: Well, it doesn't


            5              matter.  We did it and nothing happened.


            6                      MR. MORGAN: A different animal.


            7                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.  Richard


            8              Banks.


            9                      MR. BANKS:  Good evening, Council.


           10                      MR. MCGOFF: Mr. Banks, prior to


           11              speaking, the rules of council indicate that


           12              you should be a citizen or taxpayer of the


           13              city in order to speak.  With the discretion


           14              of the president of council that can be kind


           15              of waived.  I understand that you possibly


           16              are a spokesperson for a group that is here?


           17                      MR. BANKS: There is a number of


           18              people here that are for the same purpose,


           19              many of which are residents.


           20                      MR. MCGOFF: And you will act as a


           21              spokesperson for those people?


           22                      MR. BANKS: In a large degree, yes.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF: Okay then --


           24                      MR. BANKS:  I did call ahead.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF: With that caveat then we






            1              will -- with the approval of, you know, the


            2              other members, please.


            3                      MR. BANKS: Thank you very much.


            4              Before I get started, can I give you a


            5              couple of handouts?  It's just a -- it's for


            6              a public hearing.


            7                      MR. MCGOFF:  While you are doing


            8              that name and address, please, for the


            9              stenographer?


           10                      MR. BANKS: My name is Richard Banks


           11              and I live at 52 Forest Road in Mountaintop.


           12              I apologize, I was going to make more copies


           13              and technical difficulties today there is


           14              one, so if you could share it amongst


           15              yourself.  It's not a critical for my


           16              information, it's just for your reference.


           17                      So I thank you for the opportunity


           18              to speak tonight regarding the amendment to


           19              Chapter 232 which is otherwise known as the


           20              Firearm's loss and stolen ordinance.  As you


           21              mentioned, I am not a city resident, but I


           22              have done a bit of research into similar


           23              ordinances in PA as well as other states and


           24              I have some information that I feel is


           25              important for council and Scranton city






            1              residents to consider regarding this


            2              proposal.


            3                      Before I begin, let me start by


            4              saying that I personally, as I'm sure


            5              council and Scranton city residents are, I'm


            6              very concerned about crime in Pennsylvania,


            7              particularly crimes of violence including


            8              crimes involving use of firearms.  We


            9              have -- we definitely have a problem with


           10              criminals committing crimes and often with


           11              firearms and I share in the council's


           12              presumed desire to work towards implementing


           13              solutions to these problems.  I see that


           14              another -- as I mentioned before, there is a


           15              number of other firearm's owners have also


           16              come in this meeting and I'm confident in


           17              presuming that they all share this common


           18              desire.  We definitely do not wish to see


           19              criminals get away with firearm's related


           20              crimes.  In fact, we, like yourselves on


           21              council, wish to see criminals prosecuted.


           22                      So why would gun owners concerned


           23              about crime and stemming the effects of


           24              crime be here to oppose this ordinance to


           25              amend Chapter 232 of the Scranton City Code?






            1              I have been told by gun owners more than


            2              once upon hearing about lost and stolen


            3              requirements, that it seems like a common


            4              sense thing to do.  Why wouldn't someone


            5              report a lost or stolen firearm?  That's a


            6              great question.  And, as a matter of fact, I


            7              have been involved directly with people that


            8              have had to report lost and stolen firearms.


            9                      If my personally owned firearm was


           10              lost and/or stolen and I found myself in


           11              that position, I would definitely want my


           12              property back as well as being concerned


           13              about where the firearm ended up.  Both good


           14              reasons why one would want to report a lost


           15              or stolen firearm which is probably why most


           16              folks do already.


           17                      Now, another problem that this


           18              legislation proposes to address is the issue


           19              of firearm straw purchasers.  A straw


           20              purchaser is a person who knowingly supplies


           21              a firearm to someone who is prohibited from


           22              owning a firearm.  They can't buy the


           23              firearm themselves because there is


           24              limitations in the crimes code as to what


           25              crimes -- there are certain crimes that






            1              prevent from purchasing -- owning firearms


            2              so when they are confronted with this fact


            3              they many times have someone who is not


            4              prohibited from buying firearms by them or


            5              of course otherwise supply them.  This is a


            6              crime in Pennsylvania.


            7                      According to law enforcement, there


            8              is a number of firearms that they have


            9              recovered from a crime or just from a


           10              prohibited person that during their attempts


           11              to trace where the criminal attained the


           12              firearm they end up at a person who through


           13              sales records and trace records show


           14              purchased the firearm in some point.  Said


           15              person will then claim a firearm as lost or


           16              stolen.


           17                      Law enforcement officials may


           18              presume that many of these individuals are,


           19              in fact, straw purchasers and they may be


           20              correct, and the criminals use the excuse of


           21              lost or stolen to explain their


           22              circumstances.  I am in no way doubting this


           23              occurs, but let's examine if and how lost or


           24              stolen ordinances can address the situation.


           25                      First and foremost, and the largest






            1              problem that this proposal faces is that it


            2              itself is illegal.  According to state law,


            3              specifically the Pennsylvania Crimes Code,


            4              Title 18, Chapter 61, Subchapter (A),


            5              Subsection 6120, this proposal is unlawful


            6              and as such unenforceable.


            7                      I quote the statute I just


            8              mentioned, "No county municipality or


            9              township may in any manner regulate the


           10              lawful ownership, possession, transfer or


           11              transportation of firearms, ammunition or


           12              ammunition components when carried or


           13              transported for purposes not prohibited by


           14              the laws of this Commonwealth."


           15                      What this means is Scranton City


           16              cannot enact such gun laws that regulate


           17              ownership, possession, etcetera in any way


           18              that is stricter than existing state law.


           19              Just another way of stating what I read


           20              prior.


           21                      I will explain how this ordinance


           22              will run a fowl of that in a minute.  The


           23              statute is a very overprotection of the


           24              citizens of the Commonwealth, I want to


           25              point that out.  In Pennsylvania --






            1                      MR. MCGOFF: If it's brief, continue.


            2                      MR. BANKS: I'm more than half way


            3              through.


            4                      MR. MCGOFF: Well, we have a


            5              five-minute time limit.


            6                      MR. BANKS:  I'm sorry, I guess with


            7              the conversation we had in the beginning I


            8              started a little late.


            9                      MR. MCGOFF: We'll give you one


           10              minute to finish.


           11                      MR. BANKS: Pennsylvanians have a


           12              right to carry firearms in Pennsylvania with


           13              certain limitations like we mentioned prior.


           14              Firearm's prevention further safeguards


           15              citizen's rights on top of the constitution


           16              of Pennsylvania.  Without this, citizens


           17              would be hopeless not to run afoul of a


           18              myriad of gun laws that would exist from


           19              town to town.  So since the courts have


           20              viewed lost or stolen firearms as property


           21              of the rightful owner despite being lost or


           22              stolen, this ordinance requiring citizens to


           23              report to the government the status of their


           24              legally owned property violates the


           25              preemption law and I quote, "Regulates






            1              possession by requiring reporting the


            2              status."


            3                      That's probably the most important


            4              point I have to make here tonight.  And I


            5              would add that the documents that I gave you


            6              show how statutes that are -- people who are


            7              found violating even straw purchase laws are


            8              not being convicted, are not being sentenced


            9              between the minimum and maximus, they are


           10              being slapped on the wrist, and the problem


           11              that another -- if this ordinance was not


           12              unlawful for the state what exactly does


           13              this council expect to accomplish if it's


           14              not enforced by the D.A.'s Office?  Thank


           15              you.


           16                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.  Jack


           17              Dobenhauser.


           18                      MR. DOBENHAUSER: Good evening,


           19              Council.  I'm a resident of Scranton, a


           20              property owner, and taxpayer.


           21                      THE COURT REPORTER: Would you state


           22              your name again?


           23                      MR. DOBENHAUSER: Jack Dobenhauser.


           24              I believe Rich spoke very well on most of


           25              the points, I'd like to follow-up with a






            1              couple of things.  My biggest concern with


            2              this is that it's going to victimize victims


            3              already.  This is going to -- if your


            4              firearm is stolen that leaves you a victim


            5              of a crime and this will possibly further


            6              victimize an innocent gun owner.  My second


            7              major concern is the city has a lot of


            8              issues financially as it is, and this


            9              ordinance being passed is going to open the


           10              city up to a lawsuit on it.  The city


           11              doesn't have a good record with lawsuits and


           12              this -- it's not going to win.  The city is


           13              not going to win.  This is an illegal


           14              ordinance.  I don't want to see more of my


           15              tax money wasted.  I don't want see legal


           16              responsible firearm owners victimized.


           17              Please take it into consideration and thank


           18              you for your time.


           19                      MR. MCGOFF: Sandra Roberts.


           20                      MS. ROBERTS: My name is Sandra


           21              Roberts, and I'm the executive director the


           22              Breadbasket of Northeaster Pennsylvania.  I


           23              have come here to ask you for your


           24              consideration in regard to the Breadbasket


           25              for the Community Development Block Grant.






            1              One of the reasons we have -- we have the


            2              short story and we have the long story.  The


            3              short story is that we have been unable to


            4              continuously raise the funds for warehousing


            5              of our nonperishable foods in which we give


            6              to the needy.  We received these


            7              nonperishable foods under a grant through


            8              the state every single year we apply for.


            9              The food comes in in large pallets and has


           10              to be warehoused and then it is distributed


           11              to seven different pantries throughout


           12              Lackawanna County.  We have been doing this


           13              for over 26 years.  This past year we


           14              touched over 18,000 people.  It's risen from


           15              17,000 which now we are putting not only the


           16              poorest of hardships and the low income and


           17              the no income we have the newly unemployed.


           18                      The problem that I'm having as


           19              executive director, I am the only paid


           20              employee, we run very lean, we have no


           21              endowment is that all funds to run this


           22              organization to support the Breadbasket is


           23              by donation.  Because of the economic crisis


           24              that many people have come upon, donation


           25              giving has not been as fluent, both






            1              individual, both faith and both civic.


            2              Everyone has been affected.


            3                      That was one of the reasons why I


            4              put in application for a Community Block


            5              Grant was to help us with the warehousing.


            6              Understandably when I read the project


            7              description it is not a building/mortar


            8              project, but the mortar is already there.


            9              It's a warehouse.  And we have certain


           10              specifications.  We need a loading dock and


           11              we need labor in which to accomplish our


           12              mission.


           13                      Secondly, I have a long story that I


           14              would like your advices.  Basically for


           15              26 years as a city we have said, yes, to


           16              being able to grant these funds to help all


           17              of the people in the community, but yet on


           18              the other hand we don't grant any funds for


           19              supporting of the warehouse of this large


           20              amount of food.  It's just like this


           21              imbalance that has gone on.  In years past,


           22              things were financially more fluid, and now


           23              we have more nonprofits going for the same


           24              amount of money from the same amount of


           25              individuals from the same amount of






            1              community service and faith organizations.


            2                      So I have come here to ask you two


            3              things:  One, in the short run if you can


            4              would consider the Breadbasket for a


            5              Community Development Grant, that would be


            6              help us this year immensely.  Second of all,


            7              I need to solve this warehouse problem.  The


            8              warehouse that we are in is wonderful.  They


            9              have never raised the rent in 26 years.


           10              That's just amazing and a wonderful


           11              community gift in itself, but still trying


           12              to raise that and raise the operating costs


           13              with no endowment going month to month,


           14              laying awake to see if I'm going to be able


           15              to make the budget, but yet serving over


           16              18,0000 people in the county.  We have 75


           17              wonderful volunteers, I can't even put a


           18              price on that labor, and it's a wonderful


           19              organization and I just came tonight to see


           20              if you would take a second look at the group


           21              of people in which you are considering.


           22              Thank you for your time.


           23                      MS. EVANS: Mrs. Roberts, I would be


           24              very interested in doing that and I have


           25              ready recently articles concerning the






            1              organization and how difficult it's becoming


            2              because of this economy and the rising


            3              unemployment rate in our geographical area.


            4              It's becoming more and more and more


            5              difficult for you to do your job because the


            6              numbers are increasing far beyond, you know,


            7              the funding --


            8                      MS. ROBERTS: Boy, is it.


            9                      MS. EVANS: -- that you have, and I'm


           10              very impressed, I have to say, to hear that


           11              you have 75 volunteers and that you are the


           12              only paid employee of this organization; is


           13              that correct?


           14                      MS. ROBERTS: Yes.


           15                      MS. EVANS: I think it's certainly


           16              merits serious consideration because you


           17              certainly are feeding and addressing the


           18              needs of the low to moderate income


           19              individuals of our area, so I will, indeed,


           20              do anything I can.


           21                      MS. ROBERTS:  Thank you.  I


           22              appreciate it, Mrs. Evans.


           23                      MS. EVANS: Thank you.


           24                      MR. MCGOFF: Joanne Williams.


           25                      MS. WILLIAMS: Good evening, City






            1              Council.  Joanne Williams, homeowner.  I


            2              would just want to get the nonsense out of


            3              the way, whether it be election time, June,


            4              October, whatever, I have every constitution


            5              right to come here and speak whenever I


            6              feel, and I'm sorry that Mr. Spindler


            7              doesn't like to see me come here because I'm


            8              a positive person, and I'm just going to let


            9              that go.


           10                      Also, because he brought to the


           11              attention of about Mayor Doherty running for


           12              governor, in this Times, Saturday, June 3,


           13              June of 2006, this is from Mrs. Evans,


           14              "Scranton Councilwoman Janet Evans will not


           15              seek the third term when her seat is up in


           16              2009 perhaps gearing for a possible mayoral


           17              run in a showdown with Mayor Chris Doherty.


           18              She states:  "I have been here six years


           19              already.  I can see now that I'm not going


           20              to run for this seat again, said Mrs. Evans,


           21              who noted she wasn't quitting politics."


           22                      Now to what I was really here for.


           23              Last week I spoke about a few things, my


           24              first thing was curfew.  It's time for a


           25              curfew in place for this city for children






            1              under the age of 18.  I am reaching out this


            2              evening and asking all city residents to put


            3              their porch lights on this Friday,


            4              October 2.  Let's all light up to show our


            5              city we need a curfew.  Mrs. Evans, you do


            6              not want to give loans to businesses yet you


            7              approved $885,000 worth of loans to Molly


            8              Brannigan's, Vida Bar and Michael's Eyewear.


            9              Mrs. Evans, I know you don't like the mayor


           10              and I know you are so negative about the


           11              positive that he does in our city.  I'm


           12              tired of the negative, negative, negative


           13              and the negative that comes up here each


           14              week like we talk about our authorities, you


           15              know, too much money authority here, too


           16              much money authority there.  We are in an


           17              economic crises right now.  I'm glad my


           18              grandparents and my great-grandparents and


           19              my parents didn't give up on this city.


           20                      This is my city.  I was born here, I


           21              was raised here and I will probably die here


           22              and I was here in good and bad times and I


           23              was here long before the cameras were here


           24              to speak on how much I love this city, okay?


           25              And, Mrs. Evans, let's know where all of






            1              your solutions are, you know?  I really


            2              would like to know what your solutions are.


            3                      Last week -- I spoke last week on


            4              someone who is running for office with a


            5              criminal background.  Mr. Courtright, I was


            6              really upset that you came to this person's


            7              defense.  You know, it's not right.


            8                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  I don't know who


            9              the individual -- I don't know who you were


           10              talking about.


           11                      MS. WILLIAMS:  Well, I'm not going


           12              to name that individual.


           13                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I was just saying in


           14              general.


           15                      MS. WILLIAMS: Sorry.  I apologize


           16              then.


           17                      MR. COURTRIGHT: That's fine.  I


           18              don't know the individual.


           19                      MS. WILLIAMS: Mrs. Evans, you stated


           20              that the state needed to look into this.  If


           21              you are such an advocate, Mrs. Evans, for


           22              the people and the citizens of this city I


           23              think you should step up to this and find


           24              out what's going on, who has this criminal


           25              record and wants to be seated and make






            1              decisions for us.  I mean, none of yous have


            2              a criminal record, do you?  I hope not.  I


            3              wouldn't think so.  I'm glad -- I wouldn't


            4              think so, and I certainly don't want anyone


            5              else -- I certainly don't want anyone else


            6              who is sitting whether on city council,


            7              Scranton school board, the mayor, whoever it


            8              is have a criminal record.  Excuse me, I'm


            9              talking, that's rude, and that's what


           10              happens here.


           11                      MR. MCGOFF: Please address council.


           12                      MS. WILLIAMS: Oh, I'm sorry,


           13              Mr. McGoff.  I strongly feel that no one


           14              should sit in a government seat if they


           15              possess a criminal record.  This person


           16              needs to come forward and explain and


           17              perhaps maybe even withdraw from the race.


           18              Remember, voters and taxpayers and


           19              residents, you have the Right-to-Know.


           20                      And the Scranton Times' reporter ran


           21              out here last week to me and defended this


           22              person too, to me.  His job is to


           23              investigate what's going on in this city and


           24              I just hope, you know, and I'll tell you


           25              something, you know, people, it's not hard






            1              to find.  It's not hard to find.


            2                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Could I ask you a


            3              question.  Do you know if it's a felony or


            4              not or, whatever they did?


            5                      MS. WILLIAMS:  There is quite a few,


            6              okay?  There's quite a few.


            7                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Felonies?


            8                      MS. WILLIAMS: I'm not saying


            9              felonies.


           10                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Oh, okay, that's


           11              what I'm asking.


           12                      MS. WILLIAMS: I'm not saying


           13              felonies.  I don't care what kind of


           14              criminal record it is, as a taxpayer and a


           15              citizen and the other taxpayers they should


           16              not be seated in a government seat, council,


           17              I'll say it again, school board, whatever,


           18              I'll finish up, with any kind of criminal


           19              background record.  Like I said last week,


           20              when you apply for a job if you have any


           21              kind of a misdemeanor they won't hire you.


           22              So it's time to step up to the plate here,


           23              Folks.


           24                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.


           25                      MS. WILLIAMS:  And let's find out






            1              what's going on.  Thank you so much for your


            2              time.


            3                      MR. MCGOFF: David Dobrzyn.


            4                      MR. DOBRZYN: Good evening, Council.


            5              Dave Dobrzyn, resident of Scranton, member


            6              of the Taxpayers' Association.  On 5-F, I


            7              can't figure out what somebody is trying to


            8              talk about there, so if it happens to be the


            9              formation of another authority that does not


           10              have to answer to city council, please, both


           11              authorities.  No more authorizing your


           12              rights as director of this community to


           13              diminish and give up your rights to review


           14              these various people that insist on spending


           15              $50 million and with -- for empty parking


           16              spaces because that's about what it's about.


           17                      On this mention of a curfew, there


           18              is two standards for a curfew.  You


           19              absolutely cannot put a curfew unless you


           20              declare marshal law on any person over


           21              18 years of age.  If that man there caught


           22              me walking around at 2:00 in the morning


           23              with a crowbar and glass cutters he could


           24              take me down and have a talking to me, you


           25              know, but you can't tell me that I can't be






            1              on the street.


            2                      As far as children are concerned or


            3              teenagers, there is another reference, it's


            4              called intermediate scrutiny of civil rights


            5              and under intermediate scrutiny of civil


            6              rights it has to be reasonable, so more or


            7              less if you wanted to set a curfew at


            8              11:00 p.m. and if a child was out every


            9              night until 11:00 p.m. it might be reason


           10              for concern anyway, but you have no right to


           11              tell them that they have to be home after


           12              dark, that's been tried before.


           13                      It turns dark at 4:47 on


           14              December 20.  It's dusk.  It is dusk at


           15              4:47.  Now, Janet, you are teach school,


           16              right, are there school activities until


           17              3:30?


           18                      MS. FANUCCI: I don't think she heard


           19              you.


           20                      MR. DOBRZYN:  Would be it normal for


           21              --


           22                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes.


           23                      MS. EVANS: Pardon.


           24                      MR. DOBRZYN: Yes.  Okay.  So, in


           25              other words, I was just trying to establish






            1              the fact that a student might be still in


            2              school at 3:30 p.m?


            3                      MS. EVANS: Yes.


            4                      MR. DOBSON: Okay.  Now, suppose that


            5              person -- that student attended school at


            6              Scranton High School down there by Olive


            7              Street and lived in the very furthest region


            8              of Minooka and had to walk.  You could


            9              arrest them on the way home, and you could


           10              arrest his parents and fine them if that


           11              were the case, that they had to be in after


           12              dark, so, in other words, if we are going to


           13              have any type of -- any type of that


           14              situation, a curfew examined, then I would


           15              recommend that you go to the -- on the web


           16              and ask for the Supreme Court decision on


           17              juvenile curfews and you will find a lot of


           18              information there.  There is a wealth of


           19              information and it's going been tried and


           20              tried and tried, and I've seen it north of


           21              here in a small town and it absolutely


           22              didn't work.  The next thing you know the


           23              police chief quit because he was sick and


           24              tired of listening to the parents and the


           25              town council was in a hoopla and there were






            1              threats of assault.


            2                      In other words, all I'm saying is if


            3              you consider a curfew that's keep is


            4              reasonable, that's all and consult your --


            5              the Internet and look what the Supreme Court


            6              rulings on curfews that's -- but on 5-E, I


            7              don't understand that and it's like I said,


            8              if we are delegating more authority out to


            9              another authority, please, or it's what, I


           10              need my glasses, 5-F.  I have them in my


           11              pocket.  Okay, so that's all I have to say.


           12              Have a good night.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.  Any other


           14              speakers?  Go ahead, Jim.


           15                       MR. STUCKER: How you doing?  I was


           16              over by Wendy's the other day and there is


           17              no light there where they have the track at


           18              the stadium there.


           19                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Wendy's, Jim?


           20                       MR. STUCKER: Yeah, Wendy's, and


           21              there is a school there and there is no


           22              light there.


           23                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Near Prep you mean?


           24                      MR. STUCKER:  Prep. There is no


           25              light there.






            1                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Traffic light?


            2                       MR. STUCKER: No traffic light at


            3              all.


            4                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Yeah, there's a


            5              traffic light there, Jim.


            6                      MR. STUCKER: No.


            7                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Yes, there is.


            8                      MR. STUCKER: Not a light, there is


            9              not.


           10                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Okay.  All right.


           11                      MR. STUCKER: That's the only way --


           12              we seen people going across the street and


           13              going fast, the cars.


           14                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Maybe they are just


           15              not paying attention.  There is a light


           16              there, Jim, maybe they are not obeying it,


           17              but there is a light there.  Okay?


           18                       MR. STUCKER: Yeah.  And my buddy


           19              Pat told me to tell you hello.  He is


           20              working over the VA Hospital.  They ain't


           21              found my bike yet.  I think that bike is


           22              gone.


           23                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I think it's gone,


           24              Jim.


           25                      MR. STUCKER: I think so.






            1                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Yeah.


            2                      MR. STUCKER: So we need more cops


            3              out there.  The kids with the skateboards


            4              ain't too many out there now.


            5                      MR. COURTRIGHT: It's getting cold,


            6              they will go home.


            7                      MR. STUCKER:  The one today I seen


            8              more kids out, so -- oh, over in Hamm Court


            9              they didn't fix that hole yet in the middle


           10              of the road.


           11                      MR. COURTRIGHT: They didn't?


           12                      MR. STUCKER: Nope.


           13                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Well, we'll get on


           14              that, Jim.


           15                      MR. STUCKER:  I was over there


           16              today.


           17                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Hamm Court.


           18                      MR. STUCKER: Yeah.


           19                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Okay.


           20                      MR. STUCKER:  That's been like that


           21              for about a month.


           22                      MR. COURTRIGHT: All right.


           23                       MR. STUCKER: What about them houses


           24              and stuff on the corner of Mulberry and --


           25              Greenridge, that red one, you know, and the






            1              one by the Mercy, there are two empty ones


            2              there.


            3                      MR. COURTRIGHT: They boarded the one


            4              up on Greenridge Street, they got that far,


            5              they didn't tear it down yet though.  It's


            6              coming, Jim.


            7                       MR. STUCKER: And there is two of


            8              them on -- there is two of them up the


            9              hill -- going up the hill by the Mercy.


           10                      MR. COURTRIGHT: You got to get the


           11              addresses, okay?  Give them to Neil.


           12                       MR. STUCKER: Ones right across the


           13              street from the Mercy because one is a stone


           14              house with a stone in front of it --


           15                      MR. COURTRIGHT: A stone house, okay.


           16                      MR. STUCKER: And there is one


           17              behind, that's the only one I know.


           18                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Okay, Jim.  All


           19              right.  Thanks, Jim.


           20                      MR. MCCLOE: Good evening.  My name


           21              is Brett McCloe, homeowner and Scranton


           22              taxpayer.  Mr. McGoff, last week you made a


           23              statement at council and it was quoted in


           24              print that Mrs. Evans and Mr. Courtright


           25              used supposition as a reason for asking for,






            1              inquiring and demanding further insight and


            2              answers from the Scranton Parking Authority


            3              and that doing so will virtually ensure that


            4              the public meeting would never happen.


            5                      I have to disagree.  Mr. McGoff, it


            6              was your "no" vote followed by your


            7              statement about supposition that virtually


            8              insured that a public meeting would never


            9              happen.  As president of Scranton City


           10              Council, you gave this gentleman a reason


           11              and the okay not to appear before council in


           12              public.  The demands -- the demands were not


           13              based on supposition or hypothesis because


           14              now there are numbers to backup and support


           15              Mrs. Evans' assertions.  The numbers are


           16              telling a story that the people should hear.


           17              It is wrong to undermine the status or the


           18              dignity of her statements by labeling them


           19              as supposition.


           20                      At this stage, Mrs. Evans is well


           21              into the realm of the theoretical, although,


           22              I will say that theories are not facts nor


           23              can theories turn into them, but they are


           24              also not completely separate and opposite of


           25              each other.  Theories are an attempt to






            1              explain the facts through observation and


            2              investigation.  That's a grade school lesson


            3              anyone can follow.  More information is


            4              needed to complete and that information has


            5              to come from Mr. Scopelitti directly to the


            6              people of this city without benefit of a


            7              proxy council.  Why?  Because it's not


            8              rocket science.  The people of this city are


            9              capable of understanding the nature of the


           10              questions that will be asked and more than


           11              able to digest the answers for themselves or


           12              maybe you are another one of those who


           13              thinks that the citizens of this city will


           14              get it wrong.


           15                      Nobody wants to delve into his man's


           16              private life.  No one wants to prove he did


           17              anything incorrectly or illegally.  It's


           18              about job performance and the apparent


           19              possible misuse of hundreds of thousands of


           20              dollars of local, state and federal tax


           21              dollars.  Accountability will never factor


           22              in where none is demanded.  Our city


           23              government has been turned into a collection


           24              of private corporations accountable to no


           25              one but the mayor.  All of this council does






            1              is hold the purse strings and the people's


            2              pockets open while these many corporations


            3              corporations take what they want to misuse


            4              with impunity.


            5                      Mrs. Evans has the courage enough to


            6              say enough is enough while the majority of


            7              this council continues to let these mini-


            8              corporations take their fill.  I'm not going


            9              to say my last statements are fact, but it


           10              is what you have been doing and that is the


           11              theory that forms my truth because in this


           12              city facts and truths may not always coexist


           13              and are easily explained away.


           14                      For instance, the FBI.  You can't


           15              convict the inept, also giving a free pass


           16              to the majority of this council to sweep a


           17              $12 million issue under the rug.  OECD on


           18              delinquent payments.  Well, that's just the


           19              way we do our jobs or in the case of the JAG


           20              grants it's just a big misunderstanding and


           21              now $4 million this city was supposed to get


           22              is now being held up by a computer glitch


           23              and most assuredly will be explained away at


           24              a later time.


           25                      Your statements painted a picture






            1              with pastel colors like you do with every


            2              other issue involving taxpayer money.


            3              Mrs. Evans needs to paint this picture in


            4              bright, bold colors enough for everyone to


            5              see instead of the cabin color smoke and


            6              mirrors that cloud the viscous of the


            7              citizens of Scranton.


            8                      Over the past couple of months I


            9              have had some time to just take a look at


           10              things.  I have had a lot of time on my


           11              hands, and I have done a lot of reading and


           12              I have done a lot of listening, and I would


           13              just like people to get a better insight


           14              into not how to think, but just get more


           15              insight.  There is a gentleman, he is a


           16              professor of behavioral economics, his name


           17              is Dan Auriella.  He is a professor of


           18              behavioral economics at Duke University.  He


           19              is a burn patient and he is authored a book


           20              called "Predictably Irrational."


           21                      And he covers corporate and consumer


           22              decisions.  Look him up on-line, probably on


           23              Youtube and look up things about cheating,


           24              and then look up things about corporate


           25              mismanagement and you will find some very,






            1              very scary similarities to what goes on here


            2              in Scranton.


            3                      MR. MCGOFF: Anyone else?


            4                      MS. SCHUMACHER: Good evening,


            5              Council.  Marie Schumacher, resident and


            6              member of the Taxpayers' Association.  I'll


            7              be brief tonight.  I came -- I had the


            8              misfortune of coming down Spruce Street and


            9              turning onto Adams Avenue this afternoon and


           10              I thought I was dropping down into the


           11              mines.  I don't know who is in charge, if


           12              it's the Sewer Authority or if it's the DPW,


           13              but that -- if you get in the right-hand


           14              lane, which I have done many times, and just


           15              recently apparently if has sunk


           16              tremendously.


           17                      MS. EVANS: Where on Spruce Street?


           18                      MS. SCHUMACHER: Adam's right in


           19              front of the courthouse annex and it's --


           20              it's very, very not good for your car, and I


           21              don't know who could ferret that out, who is


           22              responsible, but that certainly needs to be


           23              fixed because that's a highly used


           24              right-turn lane and you can't avoid it if


           25              are you in the proper lane.






            1                      Next, I would like to talk about the


            2              de facto grant that you all have made to I


            3              believe it's LRCA, the Lackawanna County


            4              River Corridor Association.  Awhile back


            5              there was legislation about the Silkman


            6              House and providing a new furnace for the


            7              Silkman House and making some other repairs


            8              and I inquired with that and I was told that


            9              was occupied by LRCA and by formerly the


           10              library, so I sent a Right-to-Know to the


           11              city and asked how much the LRCA was paying


           12              to the city in rent.  I got letter back,


           13              delinquent, of course, but nonetheless I got


           14              a letter back informing me that that was a


           15              verbal agreement that went back long time


           16              between the library and the LRCA.


           17                      As luck would have it, the trustees,


           18              the library trustees meeting was at noon the


           19              next day after I received a letter, so I


           20              went and I asked them how much they were


           21              receiving on a monthly basis, and they said


           22              they haven't received any money for years.


           23              When the library moved out it's the city's


           24              property and LRCA took over the whole


           25              building, so essentially we are paying the






            1              maintenance on the building, we own the


            2              building, we are paying I assume the


            3              insurance on the building and a nonprofit is


            4              using it for free without the approval of


            5              council, which I say is a de facto grant and


            6              I'm not saying that -- making any comment


            7              about what they use it for, but if you are


            8              going to do that I think it should be


            9              approved by council.


           10                      I also would like to speak on the


           11              CDBG proposed budget a little bit more.  I


           12              know there is $150,000 for the Parking


           13              Authority to replace, not repair, but


           14              replace the sidewalks at the initial -- the


           15              initial parking garage at North Washington


           16              and Linden.  I did walk those.  There are


           17              maybe two huge slabs in what used to


           18              Flashbacks that do need to be replaced, but


           19              the others could certainly -- the others are


           20              only in somewhat disrepair and I'm sure


           21              could be repaired and that $150,000 could be


           22              better used and I would recommend that some


           23              of that, I know Mr. Santolli ran out of


           24              money again this year or he spent his


           25              budget, let me say that, and I know there is






            1              still an awful lot of dangerous trees that


            2              are marked for removal around the city


            3              including at the -- at Nay Aug Park, and I


            4              think that some of that money should be


            5              transferred -- allowed to remain in the --


            6              put in the city's budget, but directed


            7              towards removal for Mr. Santolli.


            8                      And then finally I would like to ask


            9              what happened to the Home Rule Charter


           10              Revision.  You all voted on it once.  Isn't


           11              in your court to take the next step and get


           12              it on the ballot?  Mrs. Gatelli, I believe


           13              it was you who proposed it.


           14                      MS. GATELLI: Yes, but no one else


           15              showed any interest.


           16                      MS. SCHUMACHER: I believe the vote


           17              was in favor for it.


           18                      MS. GATELLI: Well, that's exactly


           19              where it's gotten.  No one else seemed


           20              interested in it.


           21                      MS. SCHUMACHER:  May I ask if the


           22              balance of the comment -- whether the


           23              balance of the council members are in favor


           24              of a Home Rule Charter review?  We are past


           25              the five-year mark?






            1                      MS. EVANS: Um-hum.


            2                      MS. GATELLI: We are way past the


            3              five-years.


            4                      MS. FANUCCI: Yeah.


            5                      MS. SCHUMACHER: I suggest it be


            6              brought back to the forefront then.  Thank


            7              you very much.


            8                      MR. ANCHERANI: Good evening,


            9              Council.  Nelson Ancherani, First Amendment


           10              Rights, expressing my opinion.  I was


           11              wondering what the delay is on the


           12              renovations to the Connell building?  I have


           13              been asking for about three weeks.


           14                      MS. EVANS: Actually --


           15                      MS. FANUCCI: We got a letter.


           16                      MS. EVANS: -- we did receive an


           17              update on that and I'll announce that under


           18              motions.


           19                      MS. FANUCCI: I was going to do it,


           20              but that's okay.


           21                      MR. ANCHERANI: Six more weeks and


           22              the 2010 city budget has to be presented to


           23              city council.  What does the city do now


           24              that it may, and I say may, get the money


           25              from the Single Tax Office?  The money from






            1              the tax office was used to balance the 2009


            2              budget.  Not getting the money could


            3              guarantee another 25 percent tax increase,


            4              and don't forget that the 2007 25 percent


            5              tax increase was approved by Mrs. Fanucci,


            6              Mrs. Gatelli, and Mr. McGoff and they get to


            7              vote on the 2010 budget.  I won't forget it


            8              because that 25 percent tax increase came


            9              while $12 million was, in my opinion, hidden


           10              in the Single Tax Office to make it appear


           11              that the city was still depressed, I mean,


           12              distressed.


           13                      I hope everyone out there is reading


           14              between the lines.  It's as plain as the


           15              noses on our faces.  The groundwork is being


           16              prepared as we speak.  First, prepare a 2009


           17              budget in which at least the $5 million


           18              deficit or not receivable in 2009.  Give us


           19              a deficit from the get-go.  Next, prepare


           20              the sheep hold for the next sheering.


           21                      A newspaper story comes out six


           22              weeks before the 2010 budget is to be


           23              presented to council saying the city may not


           24              have at least 4 million that is coming from


           25              the Single Tax Office until the end of the






            1              year because of the computer glitch.  Wow.


            2              12 million discovered in this secret account


            3              for the past tax collector reign, two


            4              million missing because of accounting errors


            5              and now the third strike, computer glitch


            6              delaying the 4 million and opening the door


            7              for the 25 percent tax increase that I


            8              predict and the three people still on


            9              council that gave us the last 25 percent


           10              increase, I predict that 25 percent


           11              increase.


           12                      All we are missing now is that Cross


           13              guy from PEL and the begging bankers to be


           14              here.  They will start showing up at


           15              council, wait and see.  They are getting us


           16              prepared for the inevitable.  Tax increase.


           17              Thank you.


           18                      MS. KRAKE: Good evening, Council.


           19              My name is Nancy Krake.  First I would like


           20              to say that I believe the gentleman that was


           21              speaking about the Lackawanna County Prison


           22              had a right to do so because Scranton police


           23              do bring prisoners there, sometimes directly


           24              and sometimes first to the processing


           25              center, so the city does and should have a






            1              say in what goes on there.


            2                      It's been nine years since I've


            3              started coming to speak at council.  People


            4              have grandchildren born, people have passed


            5              away, speakers, but I must say in all of


            6              this nine years that the most arrogant and


            7              blatantly disrespectful thing that has


            8              happened for the Scranton residents yet.


            9              Mayor Doherty is campaigning full out not


           10              for mayor, but for governor in the 2010


           11              governor's race.  Today's Washington Post


           12              runs a campaign story or ad, more like it,


           13              complete with picture.  I recommend everyone


           14              read it in full for themselves because I'm


           15              going to give my interpretation and wouldn't


           16              like to speak for anyone else.


           17                      I disagree with the claims in the


           18              article.  For example, Doherty elected in


           19              2001 took a city on the verge of economic


           20              collapse.  Urr.  Wrong.  Surplus.  Surplus.


           21              And without a bond rating.  Yep.  True, but


           22              he paid over $1 million for bond insurance


           23              to get a rating which we have since lost.


           24              He mustn't have paid the insurance again,


           25              and immediately brought in 500 million in






            1              new construction investments.  Well, that's


            2              debatable, they were KOZ's and many of them


            3              were long vacant.


            4                      Oh, and he is also included the


            5              state's first new medical school built in


            6              50 years.  I don't know if Senator Mellow


            7              reads the Post, but I do believe he would


            8              take umbrage with that remark.


            9                      There is a couple more things here.


           10              The Doherty forces.  He has eight media


           11              consultants, Tad Devine, Julia Mulvey,


           12              pollster Margie Omero, I believe I'm


           13              pronouncing it right, and communicator


           14              advisor Mark Nevans.  Big bucks for those


           15              people.  Big bucks.


           16                      But then it goes onto say, "Doherty,


           17              to his credit, seems to grasp that reality.


           18              My challenge is to raise money and make the


           19              argument that government does a play a role


           20              in people's lives."


           21                      His campaign tousing has raised more


           22              then $1 million, he has actually closer to


           23              two, for his last races and there is much


           24              more and he goes on that's pretty sickening,


           25              so I don't want to keep reading that.  The






            1              bottom line is raising money, takes a lot of


            2              time.  How can he be elected mayor when he


            3              is really, really, really running for


            4              governor.  Read the article yourself once


            5              again.  See there is nothing in it about who


            6              is running for Mayor of Scranton, just two


            7              months from now.  We don't matter to him.


            8              All that Scrantonians in our city are and


            9              ever were to him or stepping-stones for his


           10              political career.  It's very sad commentary


           11              on our city.


           12                      And I do have one more question.


           13              Finally, is the city paying for


           14              Mrs. Gatelli's private lawsuit against a


           15              private citizen --


           16                      MS. GATELLI:  No, they are not, Mrs.


           17              Krake.


           18                      MS. KRAKE: I did need to know.


           19                      MS. GATELLI: No, they are not, and


           20              please stop insinuating it.


           21                      MS. KRAKE: I believe it was just a


           22              question.


           23                      MS. GATELLI: They are not.


           24                      MS. KRAKE: I'm sorry you felt --


           25                      MS. GATELLI: There has been a ruling






            1              from a judge.  You are not entitled to the


            2              personal information.  The city is not


            3              paying for my personal lawsuit.


            4                      MS. KRAKE: Thank you for clearing


            5              that up.  Thank you.


            6                      MR. MCGOFF: Anyone else?  Mrs.


            7              Evans.


            8                      MS. EVANS: Good evening.  I'd like


            9              to begin with some promising news, a


           10              proposed bill by State Representative Murphy


           11              if approved by a vote of the full house


           12              would change billing for city real estate


           13              taxes, and thereby, assist many elderly,


           14              unemployed and poor homeowners in Scranton.


           15              To better understand Representative Murphy's


           16              bill we need to go back to 2007, when the


           17              mayor and city council majority enacted an


           18              ordinance for delinquent real estate tax


           19              payments that attached 23 additional fees,


           20              costs, and fines to delinquent tax payments.


           21              These additional fees, costs and fines are


           22              not received by the city, rather, they are


           23              paid to Northeast Credit and Collections.


           24                      One of the final provisions of this


           25              ordinance authorizes the taxes of the homes






            1              by sheriff's sale.  Although, I support the


            2              collection of tax delinquencies I opposed


            3              this harsh Draconian ordinance, but I lost.


            4              I believe the vote was 3 to 2 with


            5              Mr. Courtright and I voting against.


            6                      Within the following year and a half


            7              I twice drafted legislation to amend that


            8              ordinance.  My amendment cut or decreased


            9              several of the unnecessary costs, fees and


           10              fines and eliminated the possibility of a


           11              sheriff's sale.  Both times I presented such


           12              motions at council I was defeated.  Again,


           13              the votes were 3 to 2.  Mr. Courtright and I


           14              voted in favor of these amendments and three


           15              council members voted against.  As a result,


           16              the ordinance still stands in it's original


           17              form.


           18                      Because I couldn't succeed in


           19              helping the elderly, the unemployed and the


           20              less fortunate through city council, I took


           21              my case to Kevin Murphy.  Soon after his


           22              swearing in as state representative of the


           23              113 District, he and his assistants met with


           24              me to discuss state legislation that would


           25              separate the city real estate tax bill from






            1              the Scranton School District tax bill.  They


            2              are currently combined on one bill while the


            3              county taxes are a separate bill to be paid


            4              separately.


            5                      Rather than paying these two


            6              combined bills, which is highly burdensome


            7              for many city residents, a separate payment


            8              could be made for the city and for the


            9              school district.  Remember, only nonpayment


           10              of city taxes can result in a sheriff's sale


           11              of your home.  When this tax bill is


           12              separated from the school district taxes it


           13              becomes easier to pay city taxes, which are


           14              far less than those of the school district,


           15              and thereby, prevents losing your home.


           16                      In addition, the option to pay


           17              delinquent costs, fees and fines on a


           18              payment schedule would also be created.


           19              Mr. Murphy was very pleased to take the ball


           20              and run with it.  Last week, this proposal


           21              passed unanimously in the Urban Affairs


           22              Committee.  It now awaits a vote by the full


           23              house when it returns to legislative


           24              session.  This legislation affects only the


           25              City of Scranton and the Commonwealth of






            1              Pennsylvania.  It is my greatest hope that


            2              Representative Murphy's bill will pass and I


            3              ask all viewers of this council meeting to


            4              contact your state representative and urge


            5              him or her to pass this legislation to help


            6              the struggling people of Scranton.


            7                      Finally, I do not believe that


            8              separate tax bills may increase mailing


            9              costs.  All three tax bills, the city, the


           10              school district and the county can be sent


           11              together in the same envelope.  Also, I hope


           12              our next tax collector, Mr. Courtright, will


           13              be open to this plan and consider it's


           14              merits for the people.


           15                      Additionally, I thank Representative


           16              Murphy for his hard work and continuous


           17              efforts in Harrisburg to help the people of


           18              Scranton.  I also support his second bill to


           19              help firefighters diagnosed with cancer who


           20              contracted it from their perilous job


           21              duties.


           22                      Next, city council faces a very


           23              serious legal issue on tonight's agenda,


           24              Item 6-A, an ordinance that seeks to amend


           25              Chapter 232 of the Code of the City of






            1              Scranton to repeal Article I of Chapter 232


            2              Titled "Firearms" and to replace it with a


            3              new Article I titled "Firearms."  I voted to


            4              introduce this legislation last Tuesday in


            5              order to provide time to research this issue


            6              and open it to discussion.  During the week,


            7              I have received numerous e-mails both


            8              favoring and opposing this legislation.


            9                      I firmly believe in responsible gun


           10              ownership.  I understand the importance of


           11              registering lost or stolen firearms, but I


           12              also wish to remain within the scope of City


           13              Council authority.  Several years ago, four


           14              members of city council proposed and passed


           15              a smoking ban in the City of Scranton, an


           16              act which violated state law.  As a result,


           17              the city smoking ban was invalidated.


           18                      Eventually, the state legislature


           19              enacted a statewide smoking ban which placed


           20              businesses on a level playing field and


           21              restricted all citizens of Pennsylvania from


           22              smoking in public places.  The firearm's


           23              legislation presents a similar situation.


           24              The Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, based on


           25              the research I have conducted, has






            1              preemption laws that prevent local


            2              jurisdictions from imposing ordinances more


            3              restrictive than laws passed by the state


            4              legislature.  In other words, state law


            5              supersedes local government in firearms


            6              issues.  In fact, several cases remain in


            7              litigation statewide concerning cities that


            8              legislated the issue of filing to report


            9              loss or stolen firearms.  I don't wish to


           10              see the City of Scranton engaged in costly


           11              additional legal battles.


           12                      Our city, unlike many of the cities


           13              who has passed this legislation, is a


           14              distressed city.  It suffers financially


           15              from a shaking tax base that has been


           16              devoured by nonprofits, 25 percent of our


           17              city is eaten up by nonprofits who do not


           18              pay taxes.  It has a significant population


           19              of senior citizens and it's unemployment


           20              numbers are higher than the state average.


           21              In the face of these facts, our city has


           22              already wasted millions in legal fees to


           23              attorneys and courts in it's attempt to


           24              violated contracts and break municipal


           25              unions.






            1                      Rather than add to our financial


            2              woes, I would like council to send a letter


            3              to the State Attorney General to seek his


            4              opinion of this Scranton ordinance before it


            5              is presented to council for a final vote.  I


            6              would like to know if he believes this


            7              legislation is legal and enforceable, and I


            8              would send that letter on behalf of council


            9              if my council colleagues are agreeable.


           10                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Sure.


           11                      MR. MCGOFF: Well, can we -- we are


           12              going to get into a debate on this before


           13              it's even presented.  We are acting, again,


           14              this has already been -- similar bills have


           15              already been enacted -- similar laws have


           16              been enacted in 11 municipalities throughout


           17              the state.  I think if there were a question


           18              from the Attorney General that it would


           19              probably would have been addressed by now.


           20                      MS. EVANS: Nevertheless, I would


           21              like to send the letter.


           22                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Can I say something?


           23                      MS. GATELLI: I want to say


           24              something, too.


           25                      MR. COURTRIGHT: As somebody who,






            1              might know, I sat on a board with the


            2              Pennsylvania State Police and Frank Moroski,


            3              who is a colonel of the state police sits on


            4              that board with me.  There is also a member


            5              in the second or third command of the


            6              Attorney General's Office, his name is Ray


            7              Sheetz, he sits on that board also with me.


            8              The chiefs of police of some of the cities


            9              that have passed it Reading, Philadelphia,


           10              they sit on that board with me and they are


           11              all in favor, but I understand your concern


           12              of the legality.  I will personally call Ray


           13              myself.  I think we could send myself, but I


           14              will call Ray Sheetz from the Attorney


           15              General's Office myself and ask him on a


           16              personal level what his opinion is.  And if


           17              he -- if we get the information back and


           18              it's legal then I'll vote in favor of it.


           19              I'm going to vote in favor of it tonight.


           20              We are only in Sixth Order; correct?


           21                      MS. GARVEY: Yes.


           22                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I'm going to vote in


           23              favor of it tonight to move it to Seventh


           24              Order and I'll contact Ray between now and


           25              our next meeting, but I'm all for sending






            1              the letter.


            2                      MS. GATELLI: I was just going to


            3              vote "no" tonight, but it doesn't look like


            4              it's going to be voted down.  From the


            5              research that I have done, it is already


            6              before the Supreme Court of Pennsylvania.


            7              People have challenged -- you know, written


            8              these laws and they were challenged and it's


            9              before the Supreme Court of Pennsylvania, so


           10              for us to enact this while something is


           11              before the Supreme Court of Pennsylvania is


           12              just ludicrous.  The DA's, I believe, were


           13              informed by the Attorney General not to


           14              proceed with this until the case is settled


           15              in the Supreme Court of Pennsylvania, so I'm


           16              going to be voting "no."


           17                      MS. EVANS: I'm just going to finish


           18              off now which is connected to my remarks.


           19              Therefore, I am going to ask tonight that we


           20              table Item 6-A on the agenda until council


           21              can determine if it may be in violation of


           22              state preemption law, and also I believe it


           23              is wiser to consider the outcome of


           24              litigation on this matter against other


           25              cities throughout the Pennsylvania before we






            1              move ahead.  It seems to be the state


            2              legislature who should address this issue in


            3              order to provide uniformity statewide.


            4                      And finally, I have citizens'


            5              requests for the week:  601-603 Wheeler


            6              Avenue, neighbors report that there is an


            7              open door leading into the basement in this


            8              vacant home.  Please ask the DPW to board up


            9              the door.  Also, I am aware that Mr. Oleski


           10              sent letters to the owner who may be an


           11              out-of-town resident and that letter


           12              concerned the overgrown conditions of this


           13              property.


           14                      A city resident reports that the


           15              "Walk/Don't Walk" sign at the corner of


           16              Lackawanna Avenue and South Washington


           17              Avenue is facing downhill rather than facing


           18              pedestrians who are trying to cross


           19              Lackawanna Avenue.  A truck turning onto


           20              South Washington nearly struck this resident


           21              as he was crossing that intersection.  He is


           22              concerned for the safety of senior citizens


           23              and children when crossing.  Please turn


           24              this traffic signal in it's proper visible


           25              direction.






            1                      At last week's council meeting, a


            2              city resident asked for an update on the


            3              Connell building project.  Ms. Aebli, OECD


            4              director, responds as follows:  "Please be


            5              assured that the Connell building is still


            6              an active ongoing project.  This office is


            7              in communication with Scranton Connell LP on


            8              a regular basis."


            9                      Also, the corner of Spruce and Adams


           10              Avenue at the courthouse annex, the right


           11              turn lane suffers from a deep depression,


           12              and if we could please get someone from DPW


           13              out there to take a look at that as soon as


           14              possible.  And that's it.


           15                      MR. MCGOFF:  Mrs. Gatelli.


           16                      MS. GATELLI: Yes, I just have a few


           17              items.  The first thing I would like to


           18              thank Mr. Oleski for the demolition of the


           19              property at 612 Gibbons Street.  It was


           20              condemned for quite a few years and rat


           21              infested and just a blight on that block and


           22              I'm very pleased to announce that it has


           23              been demolished.


           24                      I also have with me a list of


           25              streets that are going to be paved by the






            1              gas company.  They include the 500 block of


            2              Ripple Street, 1600 of East Gibson, Leggett


            3              Street from Market to Loop, Leggett Street


            4              from Loop to the dead end.  Leggett Street


            5              from Ballua to Durkin.  Kelly from the dead


            6              end to Gilbert.  Ballau from Leggett to


            7              Gilbert.  Durkin near Leggett to Gilbert.


            8              Gilbert from Kelly to Ballau.  Gilbert from


            9              Ballau to Durkin.  Adams from Gibson to the


           10              -- Gibson to Gibson, that doesn't make sense


           11              but that's what it says.  Myrtle from


           12              Washington to Adams.  14th from Luzerne to


           13              Fellows.  Luzerne from 13th to 15th.


           14              Electric from North Washington to Sunset.


           15              Electric from Sunset to Sanderson.  Electric


           16              from Sanderson to Dickson.  Capouse from


           17              Popular to Walnut.  Capouse from Walnut to


           18              the railroad tracks.  Pine from Jefferson to


           19              Madison.  Pine from Madison to Monroe.


           20              Division from South Sumner, to South Hyde


           21              Park.  Division from South Hyde Park to


           22              South Main.  Vine from Harrison to Wheeler


           23              and Wheeler from Vine to Olive.


           24                      So, I'm pleased to announce that the


           25              gas company will be doing paving on these






            1              roads where they have done a numerous amount


            2              of work.  We should be getting our paving


            3              list from the city very shortly.  If was bid


            4              out and depending on the amount that would


            5              determine the number of streets that would


            6              be paved, and that's all I have.  Thank you


            7              very much.


            8                      MR. MCGOFF: Mrs. Fanucci.


            9                      MS. FANUCCI:  I just want to speak


           10              on the legislation tonight that we are


           11              speaking of.  I, myself, feel the same way.


           12              With the legislation being created through


           13              us and it being in the Supreme Court right


           14              now and not having a ruling on that maybe we


           15              need to take a better look at it and see


           16              what we really should be doing here.


           17              Whether or not I believe it's right or wrong


           18              is not the issue, it's more of the issue of


           19              what will come to be after we do make the


           20              legislation.


           21                      With that, I will say the smoking


           22              ban, and what I believe with the smoking ban


           23              was we did that to step up to create the


           24              buzz and make sure that the state stepped up


           25              and did their job.  Whether or not that's






            1              what is being done here with the other


            2              municipalities who have enacted this


            3              ordinance, that might be what is being done


            4              and that's -- and that sometimes is the only


            5              way to get it done, so just knowing that


            6              other people are doing it is not enough.  My


            7              heart was in this smoking ban and in the


            8              legislation that was created there and I


            9              cannot say that that's where I am with this


           10              legislation right now.


           11                      So with that being said, I don't


           12              really believe that until we have all of the


           13              answers that we are looking to for that it's


           14              something that we should be considering at


           15              this time, and that is all I have.  Thank


           16              you.


           17                      MR. MCGOFF:  Mr. Courtright.


           18                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Mrs. Evans, maybe I


           19              can save myself a whole bunch of phone calls


           20              of you're going to make a motion to table it


           21              then I will vote to table and I won't have


           22              to make all those calls tomorrow.


           23                      Sloan Little League, there has been


           24              some problems back there as far as kids


           25              hanging around and I have asked the police






            1              on several occasions to go back there and


            2              they have, but as always, you know, when the


            3              police are there they leave, the police


            4              leave they come back, and I think what we


            5              need to do is I will try to get in touch


            6              with Pete is that one of the neighbors feel


            7              that if we lock -- there is a gate that goes


            8              by there, if we lock that it will be little


            9              bit of a deterrent, I will do that.  I


           10              haven't had an opportunity to call Pete, but


           11              he is very cooperative and I am sure he will


           12              be willing to do that.


           13                      Just one more thing, I think it was


           14              Mrs. Krake that spoke about the medical


           15              school who said that, mentioned about the


           16              medical school, somebody made mention anyway


           17              about the medical school this evening, and


           18              it's funny they brought it up because this


           19              morning I had this conversation, whether you


           20              like Senator Mellow or dislike Senator


           21              Mellow, whether you like his politics or


           22              dislike his politics I don't think there is


           23              anybody here that can deny he is the reason


           24              the medical school is here in the City of


           25              Scranton.  The Senator pushed very hard for






            1              it, he has been in the Senate a long time


            2              and he has seniority there, and I truly


            3              believe the sole responsibility fro that


            4              coming here was him.  And again, whether you


            5              like him or dislike him, I don't think there


            6              is any denying that.  And that's all I have.


            7              Thank you.


            8                      MR. MCGOFF: A couple of things.


            9              First, I would appreciate if somebody is


           10              going to quote me that they quote me


           11              correctly.  Last week I said that the


           12              failure to pay bills due by the Parking


           13              Authority was based on supposition.  I


           14              believe I was quoted out of context and


           15              incorrectly and I wish that if the future


           16              people would not do that.


           17                      Also, on the smoking -- just very


           18              quickly on the smoking ban since it's being


           19              brought up again, I'd like to know how much


           20              it cost the city when the smoking ban was


           21              repealed?  I believe the answer would be


           22              nothing.  There was no Court cases involved


           23              in which we were a party, we didn't spend


           24              any money on it when was repealed, so it


           25              really didn't cost us anything.  I know that






            1              you may, you know, people may say that it


            2              cost businesses, but as far as the city is


            3              concerned there was no cost to the city in


            4              it's repeal.


            5                      MS. FANUCCI: Pilcheksy filed a suit.


            6                      MR. MCGOFF: Excuse me?  Also, when


            7              we keep coming back to NCC and people keep


            8              telling me that, you know, I voted for it


            9              and yes, I did, but we should be accurate


           10              here.  How many homes have been lost to


           11              sheriff's sale because of those measures


           12              enacted.  I believe the answer would zero,


           13              and when I voted for that I believe that


           14              punitive measures were needed in order to


           15              collect taxes and I still believe that and I


           16              believe helping to -- you know, no one is


           17              going to pay us and we were paid what was


           18              it, 1.8 million or 2.8 million in order to,


           19              you know, for NCC to receive those, so we


           20              did receive, you know, quite a bit of money


           21              and nobody is going to do that unless they


           22              have the power to actually collect the


           23              taxes.


           24                      And lastly, I should mention this,


           25              last week I was present when the University






            1              of Scranton presented the city with a check


            2              in lieu of taxes in the amount of $110,000


            3              and they are the only school in the city to


            4              do so.  And with that said it might be -- I


            5              know the University takes some hits here on


            6              a number of things, they are the only school


            7              that -- and really the only large nonprofit


            8              that does pay anything in lieu of taxes


            9              when, in fact, they are fifth in acreage


           10              among the nonprofits.  Johnson College, for


           11              example, has more acreage that is nonprofit


           12              than the University of Scranton.  And with


           13              that, also, in the last four years the


           14              University of Scranton has paid somewhere


           15              around 1.4 million dollars to the city in


           16              fees and permits for the building that's


           17              gone on and add to that the Mulberry Street


           18              project that they are doing at their


           19              expense, that will also add to the


           20              enhancement of the city.


           21                      So they do do something that other


           22              schools and other nonprofits could not do


           23              and I think they should be thanked for that,


           24              and that's all.


           25                      MS. GARVEY: 5-B. FOR INTRODUCTION -






            1              AN ORDINANCE - AMENDING FILE OF COUNCIL NO.


            2              49, 2008, AN ORDINANCE ENTITLED "GENERAL


            3              CITY OPERATING BUDGET 2009" BY TRANSFERRING


            4              $4,400.00 FROM ACCOUNT NO. 01.051.00051.4010


            5              (LICENSE & INSPECTIONS- STANDARD SALARY) TO


            6              ACCOUNT NO. 01.051.00051.4101 (UNIFORM




            8              REIMBURSE EMPLOYEES IN THE LICENSE &


            9              INSPECTIONS DEPARTMENT FOR MILEAGE.


           10                      MR. MCGOFF:  At this time I'll


           11              entertain a motion that Item 5-B be


           12              introduced into it's proper committee.


           13                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.


           14                      MS. FANUCCI:  Second.


           15                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


           16              in favor signify by saying aye.


           17                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           18                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           19                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           20                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           21                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           22              ayes have it and so moved.


           23                      MS. GARVEY: 5-C. FOR INTRODUCTION -


           24              AN ORDINANCE - AMENDING FILE OF COUNCIL NO.


           25              49, 2008, AN ORDINANCE ENTITLED "GENERAL






            1              CITY OPERATING BUDGET 2009" BY TRANSFERRING


            2              $390.00 FROM ACCOUNT NO. 01.040.00040.4201




            4              SERVICES) TO ACCOUNT NO. 01.040.00040.4120






            7              REMAINING 2009 PAYMENTS FOR THE BUSINESS




            9              PREMIUMS.


           10                      MR. MCGOFF:  At this time I'll


           11              entertain a motion that Item 5-C be


           12              introduced into it's proper committee.


           13                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.


           14                      MS. FANUCCI:  Second.


           15                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


           16              in favor signify by saying aye.


           17                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           18                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           19                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           20                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           21                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           22              ayes have it and so moved.


           23                      MS. GARVEY: 5-D.  FOR INTRODUCTION -


           24              AN ORDINANCE - AMENDING FILE OF COUNCIL NO.


           25              49, 2008, AN ORDINANCE ENTITLED "GENERAL






            1              CITY OPERATING BUDGET 2009" BY TRANSFERRING


            2              $1,610.00 FROM ACCOUNT NO. 01.011.00071.4390


            3              (POLICE DEPARTMENT-MATERIALS & SUPPLIES) TO


            4              ACCOUNT NO. 01.011.00071.4120 (POLICE




            6              PROVIDE FUNDING TO COVER THE REMAINING 2009


            7              PAYMENTS FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT


            8              LIFE/DISABILITY INSURANCE PREMIUMS.


            9                      MR. MCGOFF:  At this time I'll


           10              entertain a motion that Item 5-D be


           11              introduced into it's proper committee.


           12                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.


           13                      MS. FANUCCI:  Second.


           14                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


           15              in favor signify by saying aye.


           16                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           17                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           18                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           19                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           20                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           21              ayes have it and so moved.


           22                      MS. GARVEY: 5-E.  FOR INTRODUCTION -


           23              AN ORDINANCE - AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND












            2              FULLY DESCRIBED AS LOT 173, BLOCK 13, WARD


            3              21 IN THE CITY OF SCRANTON, TAX MAP NUMBER


            4              13320-010-034.


            5                      MR. MCGOFF:  At this time I'll


            6              entertain a motion that Item 5-E be


            7              introduced into it's proper committee.


            8                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.


            9                      MS. FANUCCI:  Second.


           10                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


           11              in favor signify by saying aye.


           12                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           13                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           14                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           15                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           16                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           17              ayes have it and so moved.


           18                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.


           19                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.


           20                      MS. GARVEY: 5-F. FOR INTRODUCTION -


           21              A RESOLUTION - APPROVING THE FINANCING BY






           24              THE BENEFIT OF MARYWOOD UNIVERSITY, A








            1              SERVING THE PUBLIC; DECLARING THAT IT IS




            3              OF THE PEOPLE OF THE CITY OF SCRANTON,






            6              THE PROJECTS PROVIDED BY AND FINANCED




            8              OF THE CITY, OR, IN HIS ABSENCE, THE


            9              PRESIDENT OR VICE PRESIDENT OF THE CITY


           10              COUNCIL, AS THE PERSON TO ACT ON BEHALF OF






           13              INTERNAL REVENUE CODE OF 1986, AS AMENDED;


           14              AUTHORIZING SUCH MAYOR OF THE CITY OR THE


           15              PRESIDENT OR VICE PRESIDENT OF THE CITY




           17              ON BEHALF OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY AS




           19              AND AUTHORIZING OTHER NECESSARY AND


           20              APPROPRIATE ACTION.


           21                      MR. MCGOFF:  At this time I'll


           22              entertain a motion that Item 5-F be


           23              introduced into it's proper committee.


           24                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.


           25                      MS. FANUCCI:  Second.






            1                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?


            2                      MS. EVANS: Just a bit of information


            3              for the taxpayers, the approval granted


            4              possibly by Scranton City Council does not


            5              in any way pledge or obligate the credit or


            6              taxing power of the city nor shall the city


            7              be liable for the payment of the principal


            8              of or interest on any obligation issued by


            9              the authority in connection with this 2009


           10              project which is quite a vast undertaking.


           11                      It affects a numbers of buildings on


           12              the Marywood campus and I believe the


           13              project is in the amount of $6 million.  I


           14              have only one question, however, is Marywood


           15              University located in Scranton or in


           16              Dunmore?


           17                      MR. MCGOFF: Both.


           18                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Both.


           19                      MS. GATELLI: Both.


           20                      MS. EVANS: So is the Borough of


           21              Dunmore involved in the approval process as


           22              part of Lackawanna County and a host home to


           23              Marywood University?


           24                      MR. MCGOFF: I do not know.


           25                      MS. GATELLI:  I don't know who is on






            1              that Welfare Authority.


            2                      MS. EVANS: I don't either.  Maybe we


            3              could pose that question just by phone.


            4                      MS. GARVEY: I can call Mary Ellen


            5              Clark tomorrow and find out.


            6                      MS. GATELLI: I think the


            7              commissioners are on there, too, if I'm not


            8              mistaken.


            9                      MR. MCGOFF: Anyone else on the


           10              question?  All those in favor signify by


           11              saying aye.


           12                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           13                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           14                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           15                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           16                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           17              ayes have it and so moved.


           18                      MS. EVANS: Prior to reading Item


           19              6-A, I move to table Item 6-A until such


           20              time as a response has been received by the


           21              State Attorney General in relation to the


           22              this piece of legislation and at such time


           23              as the State Supreme Court rules on the


           24              legality and enforceability of this change


           25              in Firearms Code.






            1                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.


            2                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?  I


            3              would like to just make one comment.  I


            4              disagree with Mrs. Fanucci on this.  I think


            5              the issue here is doing what is right and I


            6              firmly believe that this legislation is the


            7              right thing to do for the city and just as


            8              we did with the smoking ban I believe that


            9              we should act on what is right for the


           10              citizens and the policing the City of


           11              Scranton and not wait until others act for


           12              us.  All in favor of the motion to table


           13              signify by saying aye.


           14                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           15                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           16                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           17                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           18                      MR. MCGOFF:  Opposed?  No. The ayes


           19              have it and so moved.


           20                      MS. GARVEY: SEVENTH ORDER.  7-A. FOR


           21              CONSIDERATION BY THE COMMITTEE ON RULES -


           22              FOR ADOPTION - RESOLUTION NO. 177, 2009 -


           23              APPOINTMENT OF PETER P.CUPPLE, M.D., 1656




           25              18509, AS A MEMBER OF THE HISTORICAL








            2              FIVE (5) YEAR TERM. DR. CUPPLE'S CURRENT


            3              TERM EXPIRES ON OCTOBER 11, 2009 AND HIS NEW


            4              TERM WILL EXPIRE ON OCTOBER 11, 2014.


            5                      MR. MCGOFF:  As Chairperson for the


            6              Committee on Rules, I recommend final


            7              passage of Item 7-A.


            8                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.


            9                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?


           10                      MS. EVANS: I'd like to thank


           11              Dr. Cupple for all of his years of service


           12              to AHA and I look forward to his continued


           13              term in this position.  I know he takes such


           14              meticulous care of every detail of his


           15              responsibilities and he has such a deep and


           16              abiding love and concern for the historical


           17              architecture of our city, and it is indeed a


           18              great pleasure to be able to approve his


           19              continuing term on the Architectural


           20              Heritage Association Board.


           21                      MR. MCGOFF: Roll call, please.


           22                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.


           23                      MS. EVANS:  Yes.


           24                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Gatelli.


           25                      MS. GATELLI.  Yes.






            1                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.


            2                      MS. FANUCCI:  Yes.


            3                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. Courtright.


            4                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Yes.


            5                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.


            6                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes.  I hereby declare


            7              Item 7-A legally and lawfully adopted.


            8                      MS. GARVEY: 7-B. FOR CONSIDERATION -


            9              BY THE COMMITTEE ON RULES - FOR ADOPTION -


           10              RESOLUTION NO. 178, 2009 - APPOINTMENT OF


           11              RICHARD J. LEONORI, AIA, 848 NORTH IRVING


           12              AVENUE, SCRANTON, PENNSYLVANIA, 18510, AS A




           14              BOARD FOR AN ADDITIONAL (5) YEAR TERM. MR.




           16              11, 2009 AND HIS NEW TERM WILL EXPIRE ON


           17              OCTOBER 11, 2014.


           18                      MR. MCGOFF:  As Chairperson for the


           19              Committee on Rules, I recommend final


           20              passage of Item 7-B.


           21                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.


           22                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  Roll


           23              call, please?


           24                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.


           25                      MS. EVANS:  Yes.






            1                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Gatelli.


            2                      MS. GATELLI.  Yes.


            3                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.


            4                      MS. FANUCCI:  Yes.


            5                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. Courtright.


            6                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Yes.


            7                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.


            8                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes.  I hereby declare


            9              Item 7-B legally and lawfully adopted.


           10                      MS. GARVEY: 7-C.  FOR CONSIDERATION


           11              BY THE COMMITTEE ON RULES - FOR ADOPTION -


           12              RESOLUTION NO. 179, 2009 - APPOINTMENT OF


           13              JOHN T. COGNETTI, 917 SUNSET STREET,


           14              SCRANTON, PENNSYLVANIA, 18509, AS A MEMBER




           16              FOR AN ADDITIONAL FIVE (5) YEAR TERM. MR.




           18              11, 2009 AND HIS NEW TERM WILL EXPIRE ON


           19              OCTOBER 11, 2014.


           20                      MR. MCGOFF:  As Chair for the


           21              Committee on Rules, I recommend final


           22              passage of Item 7-C.


           23                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.


           24                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  Roll


           25              call, please?






            1                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.


            2                      MS. EVANS:  Yes.


            3                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Gatelli.


            4                      MS. GATELLI.  Yes.


            5                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.


            6                      MS. FANUCCI:  Yes.


            7                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. Courtright.


            8                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Yes.


            9                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.


           10                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes.  I hereby declare


           11              Item 7-C legally and lawfully adopted.


           12                      MS. GARVEY: 7-D. FOR CONSIDERATION


           13              BY THE COMMITTEE ON RULES - FOR ADOPTION -


           14              RESOLUTION NO. 180, 2009 - APPOINTMENT OF


           15              RALPH A. SCARTELLI, 1208 RUNDLE STREET,


           16              SCRANTON, PENNSYLVANIA, 18504, AS A MEMBER




           18              FOR AN ADDITIONAL FIVE (5) YEAR TERM. MR.




           20              11, 2009 AND HIS NEW TERM WILL EXPIRE ON


           21              OCTOBER 11, 2014.


           22                      MR. MCGOFF:  As Chair for the


           23              Committee on Rules, I recommend final


           24              passage of Item 7-D.


           25                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.






            1                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?


            2                      MS. EVANS: I would be remiss if I


            3              did not thank Mr. Leonori, Mr. Cognetti and


            4              Mr. Scartelli for their dedication to AHA.


            5              And again, I am most pleased to be able to


            6              approve the extension of their terms.


            7                      MR. MCGOFF: Roll call, please?


            8                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.


            9                      MS. EVANS:  Yes.


           10                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Gatelli.


           11                      MS. GATELLI.  Yes.


           12                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.


           13                      MS. FANUCCI:  Yes.


           14                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. Courtright.


           15                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Yes.


           16                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.


           17                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes.  I hereby declare


           18              Item 7-D legally and lawfully adopted.


           19                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Motion to adjourn.


           20                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you for your


           21              participation.


















            3                     C E R T I F I C A T E




            5        I hereby certify that the proceedings and


            6   evidence are contained fully and accurately in the


            7   notes of testimony taken by me at the hearing of the


            8   above-captioned matter and that the foregoing is a true


            9   and correct transcript of the same to the best of my


           10   ability.







                                    CATHENE S. NARDOZZI, RPR

           14                       OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER