1              SCRANTON CITY COUNCIL MEETING








            5                          HELD:




            7              Tuesday, September 15, 2009




            9                        LOCATION:


           10                    Council Chambers


           11                 Scranton City Hall


           12              340 North Washington Avenue


           13                Scranton, Pennsylvania











































                MS. JANET E. EVANS



            9   MS. SHERRY FANUCCI



                MR. WILLIAM COURTRIGHT

           11   (Not present)


           12   MS. KAY GARVEY, CITY CLERK






           15   MR. AMIL MINORA, SOLICITOR


























            1   (Pledge of Allegiance recited and moment of reflection


            2   observed.)


            3                      MR.MCGOFF:  Roll call, please?


            4                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.


            5                      MS. EVANS:  Here.


            6                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Gatelli.


            7                      MS. GATELLI:  Here.


            8                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.


            9                      MS. FANUCCI:  Here.


           10                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. Courtright.  Mr.


           11              McGoff.


           12                      MR. MCGOFF:  Here.  Once again, for


           13              the record just make note that


           14              Mr. Courtright did inform counsel that he


           15              would be unable to attend tonight's meeting.


           16              Dispense with the reading of the minutes.


           17                      MS. GARVEY:  3-A. 2008 AUDIT FOR THE


           18              SCRANTON REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY.


           19                      MR. MCGOFF: Are there any comments?


           20              If not, received and filed.


           21                      MS. GARVEY: 3-B. TAX COLLECTION




           23              TAX OFFICE ON SEPTEMBER 8, 2009.


           24                       MR. MCGOFF: Are there any comments?


           25              If not, received and filed.






            1                      MS. GARVEY: That's it for Third Ord.


            2                      MR. MCGOFF: At Mrs. Evans' requests


            3              and the agreement of the other members of


            4              council, we are going to change the order


            5              this evening, the order of the meeting this


            6              evening.  We will have Fifth Order motions


            7              then we will have time to speak on the


            8              agenda, then we will go through the agenda


            9              items and then there will be a second time


           10              for citizens' participation as we had done


           11              that in the summer on occasion.  So at this


           12              time we will go to our 5-A motions.


           13                      MS. EVANS: I'm going to combine I


           14              think my motions this evening with


           15              announcements and I'll begin with some of


           16              the announcements and then move right into


           17              my information.  On Friday, September 18,


           18              National POW/MIA Recognition Day will be


           19              observed.  Please remember in your prayers


           20              those missing in action who never returned


           21              home as well as prisoners of the war who


           22              returned from foreign soil.  Fly the POW/MIA


           23              flag if you have one and take time to thank


           24              a veteran.


           25                      In October, Comcast will make the






            1              following changes to your cable channels:


            2              Government access Channel 61 will move to


            3              Channel 19.  Educational access Channel 62


            4              will move to Channel 21.  Comcast has not


            5              supplied the date in October when these


            6              changes will occur.  Viewers must remain


            7              aware and observant.


            8                      An Aid's Walk will conducted in


            9              start, September 19, at Nay Aug Park.


           10              Registration is $10 and open at 10 a.m. The


           11              walk begins at 11:30 a.m.  All proceeds


           12              benefit the Scranton Temple Health Center.


           13              Please support this very worthy cause.


           14                      Also, the IAFF Local 860 is


           15              sponsoring "Help a Brother Out" in honor of


           16              Michael J. Snyder, tomorrow evening,


           17              September 16 at 6:30 p.m. at the Hometown


           18              Hero Tavern, 109 East Drinker Street in


           19              Dunmore.  Mike is a full-time firefighter


           20              and was injured during a rescue in February


           21              of 2006.  His medical bills have been piling


           22              up and his union brothers have decided to


           23              help.  There will be live bands, raffles,


           24              firefighters versus police officers contests


           25              as well as a motorcycle antique car show






            1              with trophies.  Cash bar and special food


            2              deals will be available.  In other words,


            3              there is something for everyone and you


            4              don't need to be a civil servant to enjoy,


            5              all are welcome.


            6                      Good evening.  On September 8


            7              council received the September year-to-date


            8              comparisons from the Scranton Tax Office


            9              which are as follows:


           10                      Real estate tax, $12,088,351, a


           11              decrease of $74,001.  Wage tax, $14,110,925,


           12              a decrease of $2,110,232.  Local services


           13              tax, $1,253,584, an increase of $252,855.


           14              The business privilege mercantile tax,


           15              $1,670,726, an increase of $13,985.  Totals


           16              shows an overall decrease of $1,917,393 in


           17              tax revenue as compared to September 2008.


           18                   Tax office Solicitor Attorney John


           19              McGovern also indicated in the news report


           20              that the tax office intends to distribute


           21              the balance of the 888 money to the city


           22              this month.  I contacted Attorney McGovern


           23              last week to learn the date of distribution


           24              and the dollar amount of the 888 money since


           25              the administration needs to cover the






            1              5.5 million line item revenue contained in


            2              the 2009 operating budget.  He responded


            3              that before the 888 money will be


            4              distributed two issues must be resolved:


            5                      The first issue is to confirm with


            6              the accountants that the Scranton Tax Office


            7              employees properly handled the coding issue.


            8              The accountants are scheduled to be in town


            9              later this week.


           10                      The second issue involves the manner


           11              in which to distribute the money.  Attorney


           12              McGovern states that there is a system


           13              glitch which does not allow for the 888


           14              money to be distributed.


           15                      He ends by stating:  "Assuming we


           16              can accomplish these goals, the money will


           17              be distributed."


           18                      On a related note, Attorney McGovern


           19              referenced a proposed administrative


           20              agreement which may provide the city school


           21              district and the county greater access and


           22              control over the Scranton Tax Office.  The


           23              agreement was drafted at the request of the


           24              business administrators for the three local


           25              taxing bodies.  It's my understanding that






            1              the business administrators, the current tax


            2              collector and her solicitor compromise the


            3              group which is a drafting and overseeing


            4              this agreement.  However, since merely three


            5              months remain in the term of the current tax


            6              collector, I believe that the next tax


            7              collector should have membership in this


            8              group because he will be the official to


            9              carry out the terms of this agreement.  In


           10              addition, his presence at such


           11              administrative agreement meetings will


           12              enable him to directly inform city council


           13              of the progress of the agreement.


           14                      Therefore, I move that Scranton City


           15              Council send a letter to the Lackawanna


           16              County Commissioners, the Scranton School


           17              Board and the Mayor requesting that


           18              Mr. William Courtright, tax collector elect


           19              and Scranton city councilman, is present at


           20              all meetings related to the administrative


           21              agreement to create access and control over


           22              the Scranton Tax Office.


           23                      MS. GATELLI: I'll second that.


           24                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?  Don't


           25              we already have legislation appointing






            1              people to that?


            2                      MS. EVANS: Those are the individuals


            3              who will -- that's a committee who will


            4              decide which tax office is going to collect


            5              taxes for the entire region, so these are


            6              two different groups of people.


            7                      MR. MCGOFF: I'm sorry.  Anyone else?


            8              All in favor signify by saying aye.


            9                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           10                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           11                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           12                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           13              ayes have it and so moved.


           14                      MS. EVANS: Thank you.  Last week


           15              Councilman Courtright and I met with


           16              Assistant District Attorney Gene Talerico


           17              and the county's grant writer.  At the


           18              suggestion of Attorney Talerico, it was


           19              agreed that all council members submit


           20              questions concerning the 2008 and 2009 JAG


           21              grants directly to Councilman Courtright who


           22              will organize the inquiries and present them


           23              to the grant writer for her written


           24              responses.  I am in agreement with this


           25              procedure since it will provide a written






            1              statement and record of the facts which none


            2              of the several prior between city officials


            3              and county employees have produced.


            4                      At such time as the grant writer's


            5              responses are received, both the questions


            6              and answers will be ready to the public at


            7              the regularly scheduled council meeting.  At


            8              this time I can say that I was impressed by


            9              the professionalism, hard work and honesty


           10              demonstrated by the grant writer.


           11                      Further, it is neither her job duty


           12              nor responsibility as a part-time grant


           13              writer for the City of Scranton to report to


           14              the city's legal department and request the


           15              preparation of grant related legislation to


           16              be presented to Scranton City Council.  Like


           17              all employees, she takes orders from her


           18              supervisor.  Evidence of the supervisor's


           19              role is present in the September 3, 2009,


           20              letter from Chief Elliott to Attorney


           21              Patterson, city solicitor, requesting


           22              legislation for approval of agreement and


           23              creation of a special account into which


           24              these funds may be received.


           25                      Further, the city employs a grant






            1              writer and has done so for many years.  Why


            2              the city grant writer was transferred out of


            3              the police headquarters, I do not know.  Why


            4              the city grant writer was no longer


            5              permitted to apply for police grants, I do


            6              not know.  However, the police chief and the


            7              mayor hired a part-time grant writer to


            8              prepare police grants because they no longer


            9              wish to use the services of our city grant


           10              writer, thereby, creating a duplications of


           11              services.


           12                      I have no doubt that the city grant


           13              writer is fully capable of doing this work


           14              and if there were any area in need of


           15              updating or instruction she long ago could


           16              have been informed or instructed by the


           17              county's grant writer.


           18                      In addition, I learned that county


           19              grants are publically presented to the


           20              county commissioners at their meetings.


           21              County grant applications include budget,


           22              purpose and time frame in order that the


           23              commissioners and taxpayers are fully aware


           24              of the dollar amounts and the intended use


           25              of each grant.  It is called transparency






            1              and accountability.  No such procedure is


            2              followed by the city in that public


            3              presentations of grants by department heads


            4              do not occur.  As a result, city council and


            5              the taxpayers are often times unaware of the


            6              exact use of grants, the funds available in


            7              accounts, the time constraints, the


            8              successful and unsuccessful grants,


            9              etcetera.


           10                      For example, the 2008 JAG grant was


           11              to be used for police overtime and to ensure


           12              that police officers were staffing each part


           13              of the City of Scranton, yet those funds


           14              remain untouched and no account appears to


           15              have been created to provide for the


           16              electronic transfer of money from the


           17              federal government to the City of Scranton.


           18              We are all aware that many shifts have been


           19              sorely understaffed in the police department


           20              in 2008 and 2009 and as of this moment we


           21              all deserve an answer.  We had funding.  Why


           22              didn't we use it?


           23                      And another obvious question, how


           24              does the same mistake happen in two


           25              consecutive years?  Innocent mistakes and






            1              colossal misunderstanding were products of


            2              being human.  We all make mistakes, however,


            3              the same mistake made a second time is no


            4              longer innocent, causes suspicion and


            5              mistrust of the public and calls for an


            6              examination of all police grants and monies


            7              received from 2002 through the present.


            8                      At this time, with my colleagues'


            9              agreement, I ask that all grant application


           10              and receipts will be presented publically by


           11              department heads at regularly scheduled city


           12              council meetings in order to restore the


           13              public's faith in local government and


           14              provided proof transparency in local


           15              government.  Do you agree?  I don't know


           16              that --


           17                      MR. MCGOFF: Was that a motion?


           18                      MS. EVANS: Well, I didn't put it in


           19              the form of the motion, I was just -- I can


           20              if you would like.


           21                      MR. MCGOFF: I didn't know if it


           22              was --


           23                      MS. EVANS: No, it wasn't.


           24                      MR. MCGOFF: -- if anyone needed to


           25              second that.






            1                      MS. EVANS: I was just asking if you


            2              were in agreement with having all department


            3              heads present their grant application


            4              publically so that the people are aware of


            5              the work that they are doing and hopefully


            6              the monies that can be coming to the city


            7              and the projects that they will be used for.


            8                      MR. MCGOFF: I believe that that's a


            9              good idea.  I don't know that we can require


           10              it.


           11                      MS. EVANS:  No, we can't.


           12                      MR. MCGOFF: I know we can request


           13              it.


           14                      MS. EVANS: We are requesting, we are


           15              not requiring.


           16                      MR. MCGOFF: I think that's fine --


           17              or at least I am in compliance with --


           18                      MS. GATELLI: Yes.


           19                      MS. FANUCCI: Yes, it's great.


           20                      MS. EVANS: Thank you.  So, Kay, if


           21              you could please send a letter to the mayor


           22              informing him of council's request for grant


           23              reports by department heads.


           24                      MR. MCGOFF: I didn't want to


           25              interrupt, but since we are -- you are






            1              talking about the JAG grants, do we need


            2              to-- and I'm going to ask Attorney Minora,


            3              do we need legislation for the 2008 JAG


            4              grants?  I know we have legislation on for


            5              tonight for 2009, but we have never done


            6              anything on 2008.


            7                      MS. EVANS:  Correct.  Well, no


            8              account was ever created.


            9                      MR.  MINORA:  I believe 2008 had the


           10              same problems as 2000?


           11                      MS. EVANS: Yes, and no account was


           12              ever created.


           13                      MR. MINORA:  I didn't see all of


           14              the documents floating around about that or


           15              not, but I mean, through the federal


           16              government, but I would assume the federal


           17              government would allow the city to keep


           18              their grants and past ex post facto


           19              legislation, but I don't know that, but we


           20              would have to, I would assume, to comply


           21              unless they changed regulations between '08


           22              and '09 which I, again, doubt but I don't


           23              know.


           24                      MR. MCGOFF: Again --


           25                      MR. MINORA: There's a lot of ifs in






            1              there and I'm sorry.  There is just no way


            2              for me to be able to give you a concrete


            3              answer on that.


            4                      MR. MCGOFF: Since we are -- with


            5              again, with the acceptance of council, I'm


            6              going to ask Attorney Patterson if she would


            7              prepare legislation for the 2008 grants.


            8                      MS. EVANS: Yes.


            9                      MR. MCGOFF: Whether that's something


           10              that we need to do, I think just it would


           11              probably be safe to do that.


           12                      MR. MINORA: I would assume that


           13              would be the conservative smart way to go


           14              without any down side.


           15                      MS. EVANS: Yes.


           16                      MR. MCGOFF: I'm sorry to interrupt.


           17                      MS. EVANS: Thank you.  Next, I'm


           18              pleased to report that OECD director Linda


           19              Aebli met in caucus with city council


           20              earlier this evening and that Scranton


           21              Parking Authority executive director Robert


           22              Scopelitti will attend a council caucus next


           23              Tuesday, September 22, at 5:30 and I wanted


           24              to thank President McGoff for acting swiftly


           25              on my requests and for scheduling these






            1              meetings.


            2                      Finally, I have a few citizens'


            3              requests for the week:  Residents request an


            4              update on the status of the traffic light


            5              for Meadow Avenue and River Street.  Please


            6              provide council with an up to the minute


            7              report as soon as possible.


            8                      Several citizens have asked that the


            9              traffic light at the corner of Wyoming


           10              Avenue and Lackawanna would be checked.  The


           11              speed at which the light changes makes it


           12              nearly impossible for pedestrian to cross


           13              the street.


           14                      Residents from several sections of


           15              the city ask that the areas around catch


           16              basins would be cleaned prior to the winter


           17              months.


           18                      A second request to Mr. Oleski,


           19              public safety.  On August 6, 2009, you were


           20              sent a letter regarding a West Scranton


           21              restaurant.  Residents of the 1100 block of


           22              Lafayette Street continue to complain of the


           23              smoke from wood burning stoves that pollute


           24              their homes and neighborhoods.  Send a


           25              written report to council on or before






            1              September 28 regarding this complaint.


            2                      And to the residents of Lafayette


            3              Street, I'm sorry that nothing has been


            4              done.  I don't have the power to cite any


            5              individual or business nor do I have the


            6              power to suspend or fire employees who fail


            7              to do their jobs.  Only the mayor holds that


            8              power and all employees will respond to his


            9              directives.  For whatever their reasons not


           10              all employees will act on requests from


           11              council.  This is and has long been


           12              frustrating to me because I don't make these


           13              requests for myself, as I have said before,


           14              I ask city employees to help the residents


           15              and the taxpayers with their problems and


           16              provide the services for which they are


           17              paying their taxes.


           18                      To the residents of Emmett Street, I


           19              learned that the owners of the blighted


           20              condemned properties on Emmett Street are


           21              appealing the condemnation and demolition.


           22              I appeal will be heard next week I believe.


           23              However, the condemned structures are


           24              definitely a health and safety hazard since


           25              they are infested with insects and dirt and






            1              parts of the structures appears collapsible


            2              at any time.  If the owners of the appeal is


            3              not granted, unfortunately, they cannot


            4              appeal once again to a higher court which


            5              again delays the demolition of these


            6              properties.


            7                      330 Spring Street, the house was


            8              condemned in 2005, released, and condemned


            9              once again in 2007.  This ongoing


           10              problematic property is highly overgrown.


           11              Mr. Seitzinger is well aware of this


           12              situation and had agreed to address it in


           13              the past on more and one occasion.


           14                      And I also learned that the unit


           15              block of Crown Avenue had it's potholes


           16              patched this morning.  I believe that may be


           17              the first work that's been doing there in a


           18              very long time.  I'm very grateful for that


           19              and it is my hope that eventually that small


           20              stretch of road will be paved since it


           21              hasn't been paved in over 40 years, and


           22              that's it.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.  Mrs.


           24              Gatelli?


           25                      MS. GATELLI: First announcement that






            1              I have today is that on Thursday evening,


            2              this Thursday the 17th, there will be a


            3              macaroni dinner at the South Side Senior


            4              Citizen Center on the 400 block of Alder


            5              Street from 4 to 7 p.m.  The cost is 8.50


            6              and the Dante Club will be doing the


            7              cooking.


            8                      The next I received a notice today


            9              from Carl Graziano in the police department


           10              that the police department launched a new


           11              community information service where you can


           12              get notices on your cell phone or on your


           13              computer about things that are important and


           14              happening in your city and in your


           15              neighborhood.  It's free, and to receive the


           16              messages you have to log onto WWW.Nixel.


           17              Com.  N-I-X-L-E. And if Kay could please


           18              have that put on Channel 61.  It is very


           19              informative.  I also have my cell phone on


           20              the Scranton Times and WNEP for the weather,


           21              so it is a very popular thing to do on your


           22              cell phone and you can know street closings


           23              and fires and police calls on your cell


           24              phone.


           25                      The next thing is I called PennDOT






            1              quite some time ago about the traffic light


            2              on Meadow and River and I was told that


            3              under the study that they had done, the


            4              traffic study, that it was no longer going


            5              to be included because they were putting the


            6              light at the ramp off of 81 and they were


            7              fixing the light on Moosic and Meadow, so as


            8              far as I know that light is not going to be


            9              there as far as I was told.


           10                      The second thing Faccia Luna I got


           11              some calls on that, too, I called and asked


           12              I was told that the inspectors were there,


           13              he has all of the necessary permits and the


           14              approvals and that, you know, he is not


           15              interfering with the neighbors.  Also, La


           16              Trattoria has one of those ovens.  I know


           17              there is an odor to it, but there are houses


           18              over there, too.  As long as they meet the


           19              requirements I don't know that there is


           20              anything beyond that that can be done of


           21              ovens in a restaurant.


           22                      I sent Chief Elliott a letter


           23              regarding the neighborhood police patrols


           24              and I received a written response.  There


           25              are ten officers assigned to neighborhood






            1              police patrols.  There is one vacancy, there


            2              is one at the police academy, and there are


            3              four injured, so out of ten we only have


            4              five that are working.  I don't know what


            5              can be done when an officer gets injured if


            6              we can replace them, but maybe that's why we


            7              are having a problem finding our police


            8              patrols because four are injured, one hasn't


            9              been filled and one is at the police


           10              academy.  And there is only one in West


           11              Side, there is only -- there is none in


           12              South Side, two in the Hill, and one in the


           13              Plot/Pinebrook, so if we can maybe send the


           14              chief a letter asking him, you know, can't


           15              other people be put in these positions when


           16              they are injured because it certainly is a


           17              detriment to the neighborhood when the


           18              officer is -- he might be out injured for a


           19              year and, you know, then we don't have a


           20              police officer.


           21                      And we did complain, we had an Elm


           22              Street steering committee yesterday and we


           23              complained about prostitutes on Cedar


           24              Avenue, and I know that this officer, I


           25              spoke to him back in April, and he was aware






            1              of the activity there and see if we can't do


            2              some type of sting operation over there.  I


            3              understand there is one on the 100 and 200


            4              block of Prospect Avenue, also, so if we can


            5              possibly do something along those lines it


            6              would be very, very helpful.


            7                      MS. EVANS: Mrs. Gatelli, through


            8              this JAG grants those sting operations are


            9              funded, so I think it could be done.


           10                      MS. GATELLI: Yes, I think so, too.


           11              Also on there, when Mrs. Evans talked about


           12              meeting with Jill Summa, I met with her


           13              myself today and, you know, discussed what


           14              had happened with her.  I don't think that


           15              it was her responsibility, although, in her


           16              letter she stated that it was approved by


           17              council.  But, you know, I'm not sure she


           18              was told that.  She is just an employee and,


           19              you know, it's unfortunate because if


           20              someone forgot or made a mistake, like


           21              Mrs. Evans said we all make them, I make ten


           22              of them a day at least, you know, we are all


           23              human we are going to make mistakes, we are


           24              going to forget especially when you get


           25              older you forget a lot, but you know, that's






            1              understandable and it's okay if that's what


            2              happened.  I'm not sure if that's what


            3              happened, but if it did it's okay, just say


            4              you forgot or, you know, you didn't realize


            5              it or whatever, and it can be rectified.  We


            6              can rectify everything but death.  That's


            7              the only thing can't be rectified or worked


            8              out with people, so I think we should stay


            9              on that and try to work it out, not to blame


           10              anyone, not to criticize anyone because I


           11              think everybody makes mistakes, but I hope


           12              that we can just get it worked out and move


           13              on and do it right from now on.


           14                      I spoke to the zoning officer about


           15              Tom and Jerry's.  I keep calling it that


           16              because that's what I know it as, although,


           17              that's not the same name of it now, 0and he


           18              has filed a zoning citation and the hearing


           19              will be in October.  I will be present at


           20              the hearing, if I have to take a day off


           21              I'll be there and I'm going to encourage the


           22              neighbors also to attend the hearing.


           23                      I also had wanted to report about


           24              the $4 million that we are going to be


           25              allegedly getting from the Single Tax






            1              Office.  I asked Mrs. Garvey last week I


            2              don't know if she heard me, but I requested


            3              a list of all the employees from the tax


            4              office, I don't know if you sent that letter


            5              because I didn't see it in my mail yet, but


            6              I would like to see a list of the employees


            7              there and their titles and their job


            8              descriptions.  They are asking for two other


            9              people to be hired for a controller and a


           10              solicitor and I'm not sure that that's


           11              necessary.  I know that the solicitor should


           12              be the city solicitor under the state law,


           13              so I would be uncomfortable with that


           14              position and was always aware that there was


           15              an accountant that worked there you.  Now, I


           16              don't know if he is a CPA, but I thought he


           17              was.  I could be wrong, but it would be nice


           18              to see a list of the employees and exactly


           19              what they do over there.  And that's all I


           20              have.  Thank you.


           21                      MS. FANUCCI: I don't have much


           22              either.  I have a question actually for the


           23              fellow council members about we discussed


           24              last week about the field and people


           25              collecting money up there, I had two phone






            1              calls regarding this and is this criminal?


            2              Like, do I need to steer these people toward


            3              a magistrate now level or what, because if


            4              this is what's happening it's in violation


            5              of these -- I mean, they are spending this


            6              money paying someone actually to play on


            7              field that's free, so at what point and how


            8              do you steer them without, you know, we


            9              obviously can't do anything, create


           10              legislation or do anything to help them, but


           11              if this is happening out there there should


           12              be some way to guide them that they can


           13              actually take some pursuit on this as a


           14              team, you know, as a group because obviously


           15              you've had a few, I've had a few and


           16              Mrs. Gatelli had a few.  So I would think


           17              that the magistrate level would probably be


           18              the first step and I wanted to make --


           19                      MS. GATELLI: Amil, what did you


           20              think?


           21                      MR. MINORA: I beg your pardon.  I


           22              was reading something else.


           23                      MS. GATELLI: I know we are really


           24              boring.


           25                      MS. FANUCCI: We are.  We really are.






            1                      MR. MINORA: I had another issue I


            2              was looking up.


            3                      MS. FANUCCI: In regards to people


            4              calling about someone collecting money for


            5              them to play on the soccer field and knowing


            6              that it is a public field and they are not


            7              allowed to, I wanted to make a public


            8              statement on what they can do recoursewise.


            9              Is it better to do a magistrate level?  I


           10              mean, this is obviously a crime and


           11              something that we have to --


           12                      MR. MINORA: That would be a fraud,


           13              wouldn't it?  That would be a fraud, a theft


           14              by fraud.


           15                      MS. EVANS: The only thing though, I


           16              agree with you and I had --


           17                      MS. FANUCCI: The phone calls as


           18              well.


           19                      MS. EVANS: Yes.  The only thing that


           20              occurred to me since the last week and,


           21              Mr. McGoff, I bet you would be familiar with


           22              this, too, because you are very involved in


           23              athletics throughout your lifetime, when any


           24              -- not softball, I mean, well, athletics,


           25              this is soccer we are discussing now, but






            1              whether it's softball, soccer --


            2                      MS. GATELLI: Actually, it is


            3              softball.  I was correct.  It is the


            4              softball league.


            5                      MS. EVANS: Whether they are paying a


            6              fee to use the field or not it was my


            7              understanding there was no fee to use the


            8              field, but there would be other fees


            9              involved from --


           10                      MS. GATELLI: League fees.


           11                      MS. EVANS:  There are league dues,


           12              there are maintenance fees --


           13                      MS. GATELLI: These were above and


           14              beyond.


           15                      MS. EVANS: -- for the field and then


           16              there are umpires, referees, officials who


           17              have to be paid for every game that's


           18              played.


           19                      MS. FANUCCI: That's done from the


           20              league.


           21                      MS. EVANS: So when you belong to a


           22              league you are paying league dues that are


           23              going to pay for those requirements.


           24                      MS. FANUCCI: Right, but this is a


           25              little extra so --






            1                      MS. EVANS: So I don't if that's what


            2              the money was for or -- you know.


            3                      MS. FANUCCI:  This was --


            4                      MS. EVANS: I don't think --


            5                      MS. GATELLI: People seemed to think


            6              it was rent.


            7                      MS. EVANS: I was going to ask that


            8              question --


            9                      MS. FANUCCI: It was rent fees --


           10                      MS. GATELLI: It was not to play, it


           11              was for the rent to the field.


           12                      MS. EVANS: Do you know if they paid


           13              it beyond that?  I never thought to ask.


           14                      MR. MCGOFF: Could we go to --


           15              perhaps let Attorney Minora finish what he


           16              started.  Maybe it would --


           17                      MR. MINORA: As I understood the


           18              complaint somebody was holding themselves


           19              out to be a person in charge of the field


           20              and collecting what was, in fact, a fee to


           21              use the field.


           22                      MS. FANUCCI:  Correct.


           23                      MR. MINORA: They had to authority to


           24              do that --


           25                      MS. FANUCCI: Correct.






            1                      MS. GATELLI:  The field is free.


            2                      MR. MINORA: It is a theft by fraud.


            3                      MS. GATELLI: I can't get anybody to


            4              come forward because they were afraid of


            5              retaliation.


            6                      MR. MCGOFF: I think what's happening


            7              here is that we are getting involved in


            8              something that's --


            9                      MS. EVANS: City council cannot be --


           10                      MS. FANUCCI: That was what I said


           11              but I did want to say publically to the


           12              people because this obviously something


           13              that's going on and it's very -- it's a type


           14              of bullying that's beyond what's going on.


           15                      MR. MCGOFF: And I think you are


           16              right and --


           17                      MS. FANUCCI:  And I believe that the


           18              people who are watching this who have come


           19              to us should know that there is something


           20              they can do if they want to, you know, and


           21              make sure that this doesn't happen next year


           22              and the year after and the year because --


           23                       MS. GATELLI: Well, they were


           24              notified by letter by the University of


           25              Scranton.






            1                      MS. FANUCCI:  By the university,


            2              right.


            3                      MS. GATELLI:  So the person that did


            4              it was notified not to do it anymore.


            5                      MR. MCGOFF:  Please, I --


            6                      MS. FANUCCI:  That's all.  I just


            7              want to say -- that's all, I just wanted to


            8              make that statement because that makes me


            9              sad.


           10                      MR. MCGOFF: I would say that in


           11              going back to what Mrs. Evans said as well,


           12              I think it would be incumbent upon the


           13              people that are paying this fee to find out


           14              exactly what it is that they are paying,


           15              whether it's a rental fee, whether it's a


           16              league registration, whether it's officials,


           17              whether it's maintenance, without knowing


           18              exactly what they are paying they may, in


           19              fact, you know, paying legitimate fees, more


           20              likely than not they are paying something


           21              that they shouldn't I'm sure, but I would


           22              suggest that the individuals contact someone


           23              probably at the magistrate's level to at


           24              least determine what it is they are paying


           25              and then determine if, in fact, they have






            1              been defrauded.


            2                      MS. FANUCCI: It's just sad.  Also, I


            3              just want to welcome a new business, this is


            4              an antique store downtown, and it was nice


            5              to actually see that going in because it


            6              seemed a lot more homey now that we have a


            7              beautiful store, Wendell & Company opened up


            8              and he is on 214 Wyoming Avenue, and it


            9              really is a great store, so if anybody is


           10              downtown please stop in and say hello.  I


           11              was very impressed with what he had in, a


           12              lot of old Scranton signs of Wyoming Avenue.


           13              A lot of prints that you haven't seen,


           14              signed prints from years and years past, so


           15              if you want to stop down it would be a great


           16              idea.  And actually that is all I have.


           17              Thank you.


           18                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank.  A couple of


           19              quick things.  First, the grand opening of


           20              the Harriet Beecher Stowe apartments is


           21              going to be -- or the ribbon cutting is


           22              going to be conducted and Friday,


           23              September 25.  If you are not familiar with


           24              it, United Neighborhood Centers refurbished


           25              the old Harriet Beecher Stowe Elementary






            1              School in South Scranton into 18 apartments,


            2              one, two and three-bedroom apartments.  If


            3              you have a chance there is an open house


            4              from 11 to 6 p.m. on Friday, September 25.


            5                      I had the opportunity to go through


            6              there with the -- with Mr. Handley.  The


            7              apartments are amazing.  There is one on the


            8              third floor that faces out towards West


            9              Mountain and has a huge window with an


           10              unobstructed view of the entire valley.  The


           11              apartments were really very nice.  They have


           12              done a great job in refurbishing that school


           13              into something that is a benefit to that


           14              part of the our community.  So if you have a


           15              chance please attend that open house.


           16                      Also, we have a notification of the


           17              ribbon cutting for the Boundless playground


           18              at McDade Park.  Boundless Playground is a


           19              handicap accessible playground located at


           20              McDade Park.  This is the being -- the


           21              formal ribbon cutting is being held on


           22              Tuesday, September 22, at 10 a.m., obviously


           23              at McDade Park at the playground, and that


           24              was.


           25                      Oh, one other item that we received,






            1              I believe we all received, if not I will


            2              make copies, I didn't have a chance


            3              beforehand, a communication from Mr. Lomma


            4              and I guess it's Lomma Investments.  He had


            5              written to us before concerning the railroad


            6              cars that are placed down along South


            7              Washington Avenue in this area.  It includes


            8              a number of pictures.  I know we've dealt


            9              with it before.  We received some


           10              correspondence and at one point in time


           11              those railroad cars were actually moved.


           12                      MS. EVANS: And they are back.  I saw


           13              them.


           14                      MR. MCGOFF: And it seems as though


           15              it's a little cat and mouse game being


           16              played that whenever somebody wants to


           17              inspect or whatever the railroad cars


           18              disappear for awhile and then they reappear


           19              when it seems as though there is no longer a


           20              need to hide them.  I think that I will try


           21              and look into this again.


           22                      MS. GATELLI: I had the Federal Rail


           23              Authority here with Congressman Kanjorski.


           24              They did move the rail cars, they are not


           25              right near the sidewalk like they used to






            1              be.  I was told, and you will see the


            2              correspondence that we have received from


            3              there over the it must be two years now that


            4              I have been meeting over there with


            5              Mr. Lomma and Wayne and Bob Sheridan, and it


            6              is a business.  It's interstate commerce


            7              and, you know, there is not really much you


            8              can do about it because it's a rail yard, so


            9              what they have done has been to move the


           10              rail cars.  There used to be eight of them


           11              there, now there is only two.


           12                      So I don't know how much further we


           13              can go with the federal government, but I


           14              just thank Congressman Kanjorski.  The man


           15              that came said that he usually comes for


           16              safety issues were the railroad.  He really


           17              has nothing to do with, you know, a rail


           18              yard is a rail yard and he said, you know,


           19              there is really not much you can do about


           20              it, but we tried to make it, you know, as


           21              esthetically pleasing as possible being that


           22              it was a gateway to South Scranton where we


           23              are trying to make our neighborhood a more


           24              pleasant place to be.


           25                      But, you know, we can call him






            1              again, but I don't know how far we are going


            2              to go.  There is an empty lot next to that I


            3              don't know who owns it, but that's also a


            4              disgrace.  So, you know, maybe we can get on


            5              that, lot too.


            6                      MR. MCGOFF: And I guess my


            7              suggestion was maybe to, you know, make


            8              contact again and at least appeal to civic--


            9                      MS. GATELLI: Mr. Lomma was present


           10              at all of the meetings when we met with


           11              those people.


           12                      MR. MCGOFF: And just, you know, go


           13              back through the idea of being a good


           14              neighbor, if nothing else and, you know,


           15              civic responsibility to, you know, help in


           16              the neighborhoods.  I don't know that that


           17              will work, but at least we can give it


           18              another try.  And that is all I have.


           19                      As I said before, we will now move


           20              to citizens' participation on agenda items.


           21              If anyone has to speak on specific agenda


           22              items we will do that three minutes, please.


           23              I won't go by the list.  Please just come


           24              forward as --


           25                      MR. SBARAGLIA: Andy Sbaraglia,






            1              citizen of Scranton, fellow Scrantonian.


            2              Well, let's go onto the agenda items, 5-B,


            3              subordinating a loan.  First of all, the


            4              bank doesn't consider that building to be


            5              worth over $1 million or they wouldn't ask


            6              you to subordinate the loan.  Before you go


            7              around subordinating loans, you should get a


            8              realtor to guarantee the value of what you


            9              are subordinating.  This is why you have


           10              trouble with Molly Brannigan's.  If you had


           11              looked at what they're putting up for


           12              collateral.  Now, originally it was a good


           13              loan in 2006.  I considered GAR building


           14              worth more than $250,000.  That was a good


           15              loan then, but is it a good loan now when


           16              you subordinate it or are you just looking


           17              for another hole to dig us into.  This is a


           18              problem.


           19                      You lost Molly Brannigan's because


           20              you never looked at the collateral and you


           21              subordinated the loan and what happens when


           22              you subordinate the loan.  You didn't even


           23              question it to see if we are going to get


           24              our money back or what we could do to get


           25              our money back or how much of the money we






            1              could get back.  I doubt any.  I doubt that


            2              loan is a total loss because you subordinate


            3              it.  You can't subordinate loans without


            4              knowing the value of that loan when you


            5              subordinate it.


            6                      In other words, when you subordinate


            7              like this building here, GAR, that building


            8              has to be worth more than $1 million before


            9              you can subordinate it.  That way you are


           10              protecting the people of Scranton that you


           11              are elected to protect.  You are not here to


           12              protect the banks.  I don't know why you


           13              try -- always try to protect the banks when


           14              you were elected by the people and not by


           15              the banks.


           16                      I understand -- all you have to do


           17              is make sure when you subordinate the loan


           18              the people of Scranton are protected.  And


           19              that's easy to do.  You just have to look at


           20              the value of the property, and that's not


           21              hard to do.  In fact, they should have


           22              already told you that.  What the value of


           23              this building actually is.  Oh, well, I


           24              guess I'm -- let's try to get through


           25              another one.






            1                      Your 7-C.  7-C has to do with cost


            2              overruns at the bridge.  I tell you they are


            3              soothsayers down there.  That bridge is not


            4              open so how they figured out they are going


            5              to have all of these cost overruns when the


            6              original was 1.5 million then I think it


            7              went up to 7.5 million, I feel a lot more


            8              comfortable if that bridge was open and it


            9              was finally finished and then we would know


           10              what all of the costs runs were.  Thank you.


           11                      MR. QUINN:  Ozzie Quinn, Taxpayers'


           12              Association.  You know what, the


           13              mismanagement of OECD is obvious, there is


           14              OECD resolutions that I'm speaking on here.


           15              There was for the last four years, and


           16              Mrs. Fanucci I asked you about this and I


           17              think you denied this, for the last four


           18              years have been 2000 -- July of 2005 HUD


           19              monitored the OECD and they found four


           20              findings, and it took four years to answer


           21              those findings, okay, and actually answer


           22              them, I'm going to give you briefly, okay?


           23                      Finding one, HUD found insufficient


           24              documentation in the file of architectural


           25              engineering costs to pay for the






            1              redevelopment of the 500 block of Lackawanna


            2              Avenue.  HUD accepted the approval of it


            3              March 29 of this year, postdated the checks,


            4              okay?


            5                      Friday, the city is in violation of


            6              record keeping of the records requirements


            7              in that there is no documentation in


            8              evidence that everything is in compliance.


            9              That again was approved March 26, '09, since


           10              2005, you know, with Hailstone and Renda.


           11              The agreements with businesses do not


           12              contain the requirement provisions and the


           13              stuff the city has no basis for determining


           14              if such transactions as or will comply with


           15              the national objectives.  Again, March 26,


           16              2005.


           17                      Economic development, growth.  Grow


           18              Scranton.  No underwriting of the loans.


           19              Can you believe that?  SRA, subrecipient of


           20              1.5 million CDBG funds for economic


           21              development.  HUD said the agreement does


           22              not identify the specific national


           23              objectives in regard to jobs, documentation,


           24              that was approved April of 2009.  Conflicts


           25              of interest with Attorney Andrew Hailstone,






            1              father of Sara Hailstone, director of OECD.


            2              The city -- the attorney acted for a


            3              business that receives CDBG funds.


            4              Woolworth Corporation was not paid by CDBG


            5              funds according to Woolworth and so far they


            6              accepted that, okay.


            7                      Now, what I'm saying, obviously have


            8              after four years of documentation that I'm


            9              going to give you, Mrs. Fanucci, it's been


           10              stealth.  Everything is stealth over there


           11              at OECD.  Mr. Doherty says the paper they


           12              don't hold anything back.  Did anybody know


           13              about these monitoring reviews of millions


           14              of dollars.  I remember, I mentioned it to


           15              you and you didn't know anything about this,


           16              Mrs. Fanucci, so obviously you didn't.  I


           17              accept that and what you said about it,


           18              okay?


           19                      So I'm going to give you the


           20              documentation.  I requested the


           21              documentation under the Freedom of


           22              Information Act and received it, okay, and


           23              they gave it to me on all of the


           24              documentation, all right?  And it's ashame


           25              if you people just sit here and accept what






            1              they tell you because we are being taken


            2              around and being given the wrong information


            3              and it's taxpayers' money and it shouldn't


            4              be.  You know, I hope you people look at


            5              this here stuff and I hope you address it


            6              for me, Mrs. Fanucci, next week, okay?


            7              Because it's a real shame.  Million dollars


            8              of dollars.  Mr. McGoff, I know you won't be


            9              because you won't --


           10                      MR. MCGOFF: Excuse me, your time is


           11              up, Mr. Quinn.  Don't be insulting.


           12                      MS. GATELLI: Mr. Quinn, I just want


           13              to talk to you for a minute.


           14                      MR. QUINN: Sure.


           15                      MS. GATELLI: I'm not sure how many


           16              findings were there when Mr. Washo and I


           17              were there, but we had findings, there were


           18              findings every year under Jimmy Connors,


           19              many findings under the Steamtown Mall,


           20              there were findings under Jimmy McNulty.


           21                      MR. QUINN:  Definitely.


           22                      MS. GATELLI:  So this is nothing


           23              new.  I don't want the public to think that


           24              this is just Chris Doherty's, you know,


           25              taking this money because that's what some






            1              people want you to believe.


            2                      MR. QUINN:  No, I didn't say he is


            3              taking money.


            4                      MS. GATELLI: That somebody is taking


            5              this money.  These are things that were done


            6              and they weren't done properly or they --


            7                      MR. QUINN: That's right.


            8                      MS. GATELLI: -- didn't qualify or


            9              for some reason the jobs weren't created,


           10              but it happens under every OECD director


           11              that I can always remember had audit


           12              findings from HUD.


           13                      MR. QUINN:  Shouldn't city council


           14              be made aware of that?


           15                      MS. GATELLI:  It's checks and


           16              balances and it's the way the OECD program


           17              works.


           18                      MR. QUINN:  Well, city council


           19              should be aware of those findings because


           20              it's taxpayers' money.


           21                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.


           22                      MR. QUINN:  Don't try to cover up --


           23                      MS. GATELLI: No, it should be.  It


           24              should be.  I agree with you there.


           25                      MS. FANUCCI: The good thing is that






            1              we know that when it gets out of hand you


            2              get a red flag.


            3                      MR. QUINN:  That was a red flag.


            4                      MS. FANUCCI: Right, but the next


            5              day --


            6                      MR. QUINN:  Four years.  Four years


            7              to answer that.


            8                      MS. FANUCCI: I know.  I know.


            9              Jeannie, baby.


           10                      MS. SUETTA: Jean Suetta.  Hey, look


           11              at me talking about the agenda.  6-B.  I


           12              attended a meeting up at Weston Park


           13              February of '08 and the mayor said he was


           14              going to put a Heritage Block from Martin


           15              Dutch Gap up to Rockwell Avenue Park down


           16              along Leggett's Creek, blah, blah, blah.


           17              That's not in the budget.


           18                      MS. FANUCCI: No.


           19                      MS. SUETTA: And is the lighted


           20              baseball field in the budget?


           21                      MS. FANUCCI:  No.


           22                      MS. SUETTA: These poor guys gotta go


           23              to Forty-Fort, Plymouth, I mean, how long


           24              before they get a baseball field?  Please


           25              give me an answer.  It's not in the budget,






            1              you know, and they took South Side off them.


            2              Now I hear they are going to take Pinebrook


            3              off of them because they are going to make


            4              that into a field for the University of


            5              Scranton.


            6                      MS. GATELLI: Lackawanna Junior


            7              College.


            8                      MS. SUETTA: Lackawanna Junior


            9              College.  Where do our guys gotta go?  Down


           10              the line and that ain't right.  They work


           11              here, they pay their taxes, they want to


           12              play ball here.  Why should they --


           13                      MS. GATELLI:  Tell them to contact


           14              Connell Park, you know, we have a beautiful


           15              field up there and we do rent it out to


           16              various organization.


           17                      MS. SUETTA:  Rent it out.


           18                      MS. GATELLI: Tell them to come up


           19              and see Mr. Petrucci.


           20                      MR. SUETTA: Mr. Petrucci.


           21                      MS. GATELLI: At Connell Park.


           22                      MS. SUETTA:  Like I'm going to


           23              remember that.


           24                      MS. GATELLI: Well, call me.


           25                      MS. SUETTA:  I can't remember






            1              yesterday.  But, really they were promised a


            2              lighted field --


            3                      MS. GATELLI: No, I agree with you,


            4              but in the meantime, you know, they can call


            5              Connell Park and see if they can --


            6                      MS. SUETTA: The practice field,


            7              that's what they are going to do with


            8              Pinebrook.  Louie is making it into a


            9              practice field for Lackawanna State College.


           10                      MS. FANUCCI: Lackawanna College.


           11                      MS. SUETTA:  So our guys at night


           12              they got Rockwell and where, Forty-Fort,


           13              Plymouth.  You know, the price of gas and


           14              everything these guys can't afford it.  I


           15              used to play softball and I was good.


           16                      MS. FANUCCI: I bet you were good.


           17                      MS. SUETTA: Yes, I was.  All right.


           18                      MS. GATELLI: Thank you.


           19                      MS. SUETTA: Find out about the


           20              lighted field.


           21                      MS. GATELLI: Okay, thanks.


           22                      MS. SUETTA: And talk about the walk.


           23              The mayor attended that meeting, he said


           24              there would be a walk.  Poor Janet couldn't'


           25              walk it.  All right.  Thank you very much.






            1                      MS. SCHUMACHER: Marie Schumacher,


            2              citizen and member of the Taxpayers'


            3              Association.  I don't know what to say, I


            4              would like answers on some of these, but I


            5              can't say I'll wait for the answer in


            6              motions because we have already done


            7              motions.  5-B, I think this subordination


            8              should not be approved.  First, the address


            9              is not that of the Assessor's Office for the


           10              property which is the official I believe


           11              address.  That shows a Penn Avenue address.


           12              And I would like to know if the property was


           13              appraised at all and if it was what the


           14              appraisal value was because it is either --


           15              according to the Assessor's Office it is


           16              either severely underassessed or it's going


           17              to be severely overmortgaged and the


           18              taxpayers should not be at the end of the


           19              line.  We have done that too many times and


           20              every time we lose, or almost every time.


           21                      5-C, I would like to know what that


           22              flat fee and if this item was in the budget.


           23                      5-D, is this Mr. Laser that's being


           24              appointed to this commission the same one


           25              who is chair of the SRA?






            1                      MS. EVANS: Yes.


            2                      MS. SCHUMACHER: And is there


            3              compensation for that?


            4                      MS. EVANS: No.


            5                      MS. SCHUMACHER: So there is no


            6              conflict of interest there at all.


            7                      MS. GATELLI: Why would there be?


            8                      MS. SCHUMACHER: With his job or the


            9              SRA.  I don't know.


           10                      MS. GATELLI:  Well, he is a


           11              certified public accountant, so I think he


           12              is qualified.


           13                      MS. SCHUMACHER: Wait, I only got


           14              three minutes.


           15                      MS. GATELLI: We'll give you a few


           16              minutes, I just wanted to clarify that.


           17                      MS. SCHUMACHER: Thank you.  I want


           18              to get back on again the capital budget.


           19              Jean just mentioned a few items that weren't


           20              in there, the streets that are to be paved


           21              are not in there, and I know that they are


           22              known because there was a solicitation.


           23              Hanlon's Grove is not part of the budget.


           24              The only thing -- there was a new pavilion


           25              in the budget for Nay Aug Park, but I don't






            1              know if that covers the Schmelfining


            2              Pavilion rehab, but -- the Schemelfining


            3              rehab was not in the budget, and even though


            4              I believe it was paid for by Lackawanna


            5              County Leadership, it should still be an


            6              item in the budget.


            7                      The zoo building is not in there,


            8              the dog park long since finished is not in


            9              there.  Those are just a few examples and I


           10              think it should be returned to the


           11              administration because it is in


           12              noncompliance with the Home Rule Charter and


           13              I would hope that you would send it back to


           14              the administration and ask them to comply


           15              with Section 904 I believe of the Home Rule


           16              Charter and let's see what we are really


           17              going to do.


           18                      There were computers bought, those


           19              are items that are supposed to be in the


           20              capital budget, they are not in there


           21              either, so it needs a whole lot of work.


           22              Thank you.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF: Anyone else?


           24                      MR. DOBRZYN: Good evening, Council.


           25              Dave Dobrzyn, resident of Scranton and






            1              member of the Taxpayers' and on 7-C which


            2              Angie just spoke about, to me there has to


            3              be something wrong with the bidding process


            4              where a cost overrun goes from 1 1/2 million


            5              dollars to $7.5 million.  It's -- that's


            6              crazy.  I could see $1.7 million or


            7              $2 million, but not 7.5.  I really wish


            8              somebody some day could investigate this.


            9                      And I seen a little article on Fox


           10              Business, they like to chirp about a lot of


           11              things, and according to them that the whole


           12              business bidding process in this entire


           13              country is offbase because nobody is ever


           14              penalized for cost overruns and you put in


           15              an ungodly cheap bid, which is basically


           16              dishonest, steal the business out from


           17              other -- some other person possibly even an


           18              honest construction outfit and then it turns


           19              into this.  It's just crazy.  I can't


           20              understand it and I wish our newspaper would


           21              hop on that, put a little article or a news


           22              article or whatever someday and how these


           23              costs overruns get to be from 1.5 million to


           24              7.5 million.  Thank you, and I'll catch you


           25              later.






            1                      MS. GATELLI: Peace out.  That's what


            2              the kids say.


            3                      MR. MCGOFF: 5-B.


            4                      MS. GARVEY: 5-B. FOR INTRODUCTION -


            5              A RESOLUTION - AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND




            7              CITY OF SCRANTON TO ENTER INTO A




            9              RECORDED MORTGAGE DATED MAY 1, 2006 IN THE


           10              PRINCIPAL AMOUNT OF $250,000.00.  SECURED




           12              305 LINDEN STREET, SCRANTON, PENNSYLVANIA


           13              (THE "PROPERTY"), TO A FIRST MORTGAGE IN THE


           14              AMOUNT OF $800,000.00 THAT DTK VENTURES,


           15              L.P. INTENDS TO GRANT TO FIRST LIBERTY BANK


           16              AND TRUST ON THE PROPERTY.


           17                      MR. MCGOFF:  At this time I'll


           18              entertain a motion that Item 5-B be


           19              introduced into it's proper committee.


           20                      MS. FANUCCI:  So moved.


           21                      MS. EVANS: Second.


           22                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?


           23                      MS. EVANS:  I do believe that this


           24              the city should be paid in full just as the


           25              bank was paid in full, so I will be voting






            1              "no."


            2                      MR. MCGOFF: All those in favor of


            3              introduction signify by saying aye.


            4                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


            5                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


            6                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?


            7                      MS. EVANS: No.


            8                      MR. MCGOFF: The ayes have it and so


            9              moved.


           10                      MS. GARVEY: 5-C.  FOR INTRODUCTION -


           11              A RESOLUTION - AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND








           15              INC. ("BMI") TO LICENSE THE PERFORMANCE OF


           16              MUSIC EVENTS IN THE CITY OF SCRANTON FOR A


           17              FLAT ANNUAL FEE.


           18                      MR. MCGOFF:  At this time I'll


           19              entertain a motion that Item 5-C be


           20              introduced into it's proper committee.


           21                      MS. FANUCCI:  So moved.


           22                      MS. EVANS: Second.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


           24              in favor of introduction signify by saying


           25              aye.






            1                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


            2                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


            3                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


            4                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


            5              ayes have it and so moved.


            6                      MS. GARVEY: SIXTH ORDER.  6-A.


            7              READING BY TITLE - FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 81,


            8              2009 - AN ORDINANCE - ESTABLISHING PERMIT


            9              PARKING ONLY IN THE 700 BLOCK OF EAST OLIVE


           10              STREET FROM MADISON AVENUE TO MOIR COURT.


           11                      MR. MCGOFF: You have heard reading


           12              by title of Item 6-A, what is your pleasure?


           13                      MS. EVANS:  I move that Item 6-A


           14              pass reading by title.


           15                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.


           16                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


           17              in favor signify by saying aye.


           18                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           19                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           20                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           21                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           22              ayes have it and so moved.


           23                      MS. GARVEY: We need to make a motion


           24              to hold a public hearing next week at 6:15.


           25              We have one at 6:00 for the capital budget,






            1              so we could hold it at 6:15.


            2                      MR. MCGOFF: Someone?  I'll make a


            3              motion to conduct a public hearing at 6:15


            4              on Item 6-B.


            5                      MS. FANUCCI:  Second.


            6                      MR. MCGOFF: 6-A -- excuse me.  On


            7              the question?  All in favor signify by


            8              saying aye.


            9                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           10                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           11                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           12                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           13              ayes have it and so moved.


           14                      MS. GARVEY: 6-B.  READING BY TITLE -


           15              FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 82, 2009 - AN ORDINANCE


           16              -TO APPROVE AND ACCEPT THE CITY OF


           17              SCRANTON'S UPDATE FOR 2010 FOR THE CAPITAL


           18              BUDGET IMPROVEMENT PLAN OF 2008, WHICH IS




           20              THE 2008 FIVE-YEAR PLAN.


           21                      MR. MCGOFF: You have heard reading


           22              by title of Item 6-B, what is your pleasure?


           23                      MS. FANUCCI: I move that Item 6-B


           24              pass reading by title.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF: I'll second.  On the






            1              question?


            2                      MS. EVANS: Yes.  As has been the


            3              case so often in the past, the capital


            4              budget presented by the mayor is in


            5              violation of Section 904 of the Home Rule


            6              Charter.  The budget does not contain


            7              supporting information as to the necessity


            8              for each capital improvement, estimated


            9              costs and recommended times schedules for


           10              such improvements.


           11                      Also, it fails to contain the


           12              estimated annual cost of operating and


           13              maintaining the facilities to be constructed


           14              or required.  The capital budget is a


           15              cursory update of appropriation figures


           16              which is meaningless to the untrained eye


           17              and provides no explanation for projects


           18              that are in the process or have been


           19              included and financed in prior budgets, but


           20              which failed to occur.  Therefore, I'll be


           21              voting "no.".


           22                      MR. MCGOFF: Anyone else?  All those


           23              in favor signify by saying aye.


           24                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?






            1                      MS. EVANS: No.


            2                      MS. GATELLI: No. I think we should


            3              have a bit more.  I agree.  I think we


            4              should get a bit more.  I want so the dog


            5              park and things in there that I did not.


            6                      MR. MCGOFF: Then that's defeated.


            7                      MS. GARVEY: 6-C.  READING BY TITLE -


            8              FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 83, 2009 - AN ORDINANCE-




           10              OFFICIALS OF THE CITY OF SCRANTON TO TAKE










           15              GRANT (CDBG) PROGRAM, HOME INVESTMENT




           17              SHELTER GRANT (ESG) PROGRAM.


           18                      MR. MCGOFF:  You have heard reading


           19              by title of Item 6-C, what is your pleasure?


           20                      MS. EVANS: I move that Item 6-C pass


           21              reading by title.


           22                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?  All in


           24              favor signify by saying aye.


           25                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.






            1                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


            2                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


            3                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


            4              ayes have it and so moved.


            5                      MS. GARVEY: 6-D. READING BY TITLE -


            6              FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 84, 2009 - AN ORDINANCE-


            7              AMENDING FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 49, 2006 AS


















           16              PROGRAM AND EMERGENCY SHELTER GRANT (ESG)


           17              PROGRAM", BY TRANSFERRING $241,000.00 FROM


           18              PROJECT 07-225 SLIBCO TO PROJECT 05-154


           19              FRIENDSHIP HOUSE.


           20                      MR. MCGOFF: You have heard reading


           21              by title of item 6-D, what is your pleasure?


           22                      MS. FANUCCI: Mr. Chairman, I move


           23              that Item 6-D passes reading by title.


           24                      MS. EVANS: Second.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All






            1              in favor signify by saying aye.


            2                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


            3                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


            4                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


            5                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


            6              ayes have it and so moved.


            7                      MS. GARVEY: 6-E. READING BY TITLE -


            8              FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 85, 2009 - AN ORDINANCE-




           10              ACCOUNT NO. 02.229594 ENTITLED "BJA FY 09




           12              ASSISTANCE GRANT PROGRAM LOCAL


           13              SOLICITATION".


           14                      MR. MCGOFF: You have heard reading


           15              by title of Item 6-E, what is your pleasure?


           16                      MS. FANUCCI:  Mr. Chairman, I move


           17              that Item 6-E pass reading by title.


           18                      MS. EVANS: Second.


           19                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?  I just


           20              on the question we had been requested to


           21              move 6-E and 6-F into Seventh Order if


           22              possible.  I believe it's so that they can


           23              receive the funds and distribute them to the


           24              other communities that are involved.  I will


           25              make a motion after both are -- if both are






            1              approved, I'm going to make a motion to move


            2              them to Seventh Order this evening.


            3                      MS. GATELLI: Then if anybody wants


            4              to talk about them.


            5                      MR. MCGOFF: Yes.


            6                      MS. GATELLI: Right?


            7                      MR. MCGOFF: 6-E.  All those in favor


            8              signify by saying aye.


            9                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           10                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           11                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           12                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           13              ayes have it and so moved.  All those this


           14              favor.


           15                      MS. GARVEY: 6-F. READING BY TITLE -


           16              FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 86, 2009 - AN ORDINANCE-






           19              FY 09 RECOVERY ACT EDWARD BYRNE MEMORIAL




           21              SOLICITATION IN THE AMOUNT OF $264,201.00




           23              THE GRANT APPLICATION.


           24                      MR. MCGOFF: You have heard reading


           25              by title of Item 6-F, what is your pleasure?






            1                      MS. FANUCCI:  I move that Item 6-F


            2              passes reading by title.


            3                      MS. EVANS:  Second.


            4                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


            5              in favor signify by saying aye.


            6                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


            7                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


            8                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


            9                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           10              ayes have it and so moved.  I'd like to make


           11              a motion to move 6-E and 6-F into Seventh


           12              Order.


           13                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.


           14                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?


           15                      MS. EVANS: My reservation on this


           16              would be that Mr. Courtright was the chair


           17              of this committee and who is basically


           18              conducting further examination of this


           19              situation behind this hasn't concluded with


           20              whatever measures he is asking of council


           21              and that would that would be that we submit


           22              our questions in writing to the county grant


           23              writer and so I think everyone would be


           24              better served to allow this to go into it's


           25              natural order next week when Mr. Courtright






            1              will be present and when the information can


            2              be collected hopefully and presented


            3              publically.


            4                      MS. FANUCCI: Is your understanding


            5              that this is going to impact the fact that


            6              we might not get the --


            7                      MS. EVANS: I don't believe so.  I


            8              don't believe so.


            9                      MR. MCGOFF: I know that the


           10              funds they are -- they are asking us to do


           11              this, the funds are approved, they are ready


           12              to be drawn upon and they need to be


           13              distributed to the -- this is the one that


           14              includes three other --


           15                      MS. GATELLI: Municipalities.


           16                      MS. FANUCCI: Municipalities.  So


           17              they need it, too.


           18                      MS. GATELLI: And it's for equipment.


           19                      MR. MCGOFF: It's my understanding


           20              that Mr. Courtright understood that this was


           21              a possibility and that he was not opposed to


           22              having these passed.


           23                      MS. FANUCCI: Regardless, we didn't


           24              violated any laws, which is a good thing.


           25              We didn't do anything federally.  So, I






            1              mean, we suffered --


            2                      MR. MCGOFF: I don't think that --


            3                      MS. FANUCCI: Right -- that's okay,


            4              but it wouldn't hurt us in any manner


            5              citywide.


            6                      MS. EVANS: Right.


            7                      MS. FANUCCI: But we don't want to


            8              tie up other people's funding because of --


            9              I mean, regardless that investigation has to


           10              go on and what happens there we proceed


           11              accordingly, but it's not going to impact


           12              these -- this funding regardless.


           13                      MS. EVANS: No.  I understand that,


           14              but if you are saying, Mr. McGoff, that you


           15              spoke with Mr. Courtright about this and he


           16              knew that it would be moved on and he


           17              doesn't feel that it wouldn't affect --


           18                      MR. MCGOFF: He knew it was a


           19              possibility.


           20                      MS. EVANS: That doesn't affect what


           21              he is doing.


           22                      MR. MCGOFF: Yes.  He knew there was


           23              the possibility and he -- he didn't object,


           24              let's put it that way.  I'm not going to say


           25              that, you know, that he outright said, you






            1              know, go ahead and do it, but we had talked


            2              about it and he knew that -- he knew this


            3              was a possibility.


            4                      MS. EVANS: Okay.


            5                      MR. MCGOFF: The motion is to move


            6              6-E and 6-F into Seventh Order.  All in


            7              favor signify by saying aye.


            8                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


            9                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           10                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?


           11                      MS. EVANS: No.


           12                      MR. MCGOFF: The ayes have it and so


           13              moved.


           14                      MS. GARVEY: SEVENTH ORDER.  7-A.


           15              FOR CONSIDERATION BY THE COMMITTEE ON


           16              FINANCE - FOR ADOPTION - FILE OF COUNCIL NO.


           17              79, 2009 - CREATING AND ESTABLISHING A NEW




           19              ECONOMIC AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT ("OECD")




           21              ("NSP") ACCOUNT NO. 9A.0101 FOR THE RECEIPT








           25              DEVELOPMENT ("DCED").






            1                      MR. MCGOFF:  What is the


            2              recommendation of the Chairperson for the


            3              Committee on Finance?


            4                      MS. GATELLI: As Chair for Finance, I


            5              recommend final passage of Item 7-A.


            6                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.


            7                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  Roll


            8              call, please?


            9                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.


           10                      MS. EVANS:  Yes.


           11                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Gatelli.


           12                      MS. GATELLI.  Yes.


           13                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.


           14                      MS. FANUCCI:  Yes.


           15                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. Courtright.  Mr.


           16              McGoff.


           17                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes.  I hereby declare


           18              Item 7-A legally and lawfully adopted.


           19                      MS. GARVEY: 7-B. FOR CONSIDERATION-


           20              BY THE COMMITTEE ON FINANCE - FOR ADOPTION -


           21              FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 80, 2009 - CREATING AND






           24              DEVELOPMENT ("OECD") TITLED ENERGY








            1              PROGRAM ACCOUNT NO. 10A.0101 FOR THE RECEIPT






            4              ("DOE").


            5                      MR. MCGOFF:  What is the


            6              recommendation of the Chair for the


            7              Committee on Finance?


            8                      MS. GATELLI: As Chair for the


            9              Committee on Finance, I recommend final


           10              passage of Item 7-B.


           11                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.


           12                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  Roll


           13              call, please?


           14                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.


           15                      MS. EVANS:  Yes.


           16                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Gatelli.


           17                      MS. GATELLI.  Yes.


           18                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.


           19                      MS. FANUCCI:  Yes.


           20                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. Courtright.  Mr.


           21              McGoff.


           22                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes.  I hereby declare


           23              Item 7-B legally and lawfully adopted.


           24                      MS. GARVEY: 7-C.  FOR CONSIDERATION








            1              FOR ADOPTION - RESOLUTION NO. 173, 2009 -


            2              AMENDING RESOLUTION 122, 2009 ENTITLED








            6              040809-F WITH THE COMMONWEALTH OF
















           14              SUPPLEMENTAL AGREEMENT NO. 040809-F.


           15                      MR. MCGOFF:  What is the


           16              recommendation of the Chair for the


           17              Committee on Community Development?


           18                      MS. FANUCCI: As Chairperson for the


           19              Committee on Community Development, I


           20              recommend final passage of Item 7-C.


           21                      MS. EVANS: Second.


           22                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  Roll


           23              call, please?


           24                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.


           25                      MS. EVANS:  Yes.






            1                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Gatelli.


            2                      MS. GATELLI.  Yes.


            3                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.


            4                      MS. FANUCCI:  Yes.


            5                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. Courtright.  Mr.


            6              McGoff.


            7                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes.  I hereby declare


            8              Item 7-C legally and lawfully adopted.


            9                      MS. GARVEY: 7-D.  FOR CONSIDERATION


           10              BY THE COMMITTEE ON RULES - FOR ADOPTION -


           11              RESOLUTION NO. 174, 2009 - AUTHORIZING


           12              APPOINTMENT OF THE CITY OF SCRANTON'S




           14              COMMITTEE ("TCC") PURSUANT TO ACT 32 OF


           15              2008.


           16                      MR. MCGOFF:  As Chair for the


           17              Committee on Rules, I recommend final


           18              passage of Item 7-D.


           19                      MS. GATELLI: Second.


           20                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  Roll


           21              call, please?


           22                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.


           23                      MS. EVANS:  Yes.


           24                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Gatelli.


           25                      MS. GATELLI.  Yes.






            1                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.


            2                      MS. FANUCCI:  Yes.


            3                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. Courtright.  Mr.


            4              McGoff.


            5                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes.  I hereby declare


            6              Item 7-D legally and lawfully adopted.  If


            7              there is anyone that would like to speak on


            8              item 6-E, 6-F that we have moved into


            9              Seventh Order please come to the podium.


           10              Mrs. Garvey?


           11                      MS. GARVEY: 7-E, which was formerly


           12              6-E. FOR CONSIDERATION BY THE COMMITTEE ON


           13              FINANCE - FOR ADOPTION - FILE OF COUNCIL NO.


           14              85, 2009 -  CREATING AND ESTABLISHING


           15              SPECIAL CITY ACCOUNT NO. 02.229594 ENTITLED


           16              "BJA FY 09 RECOVERY ACT EDWARD BYRNE




           18              LOCAL SOLICITATION".


           19                      MR. MCGOFF: I realize that we kind


           20              of jumped the gun on this, we need a


           21              temporary chair for public safety -- or is


           22              this final --


           23                      MS. GARVEY: I believe these are in


           24              the committee, there should be marked on the


           25              legislation if you look in there.  It should






            1              be in the Committee on Finance because of


            2              the grants.


            3                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.  What is the


            4              recommendation of the Chair for the


            5              Committee on Finance?


            6                      MS. GATELLI: As Chair for the


            7              Committee on Finance, I recommend final


            8              passage of Item 7-E.


            9                      MR. FANUCCI: Second.


           10                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  Roll


           11              call, please?


           12                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.


           13                      MS. EVANS:  Yes.


           14                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Gatelli.


           15                      MS. GATELLI.  Yes.


           16                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.


           17                      MS. FANUCCI:  Yes.


           18                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. Courtright.  Mr.


           19              McGoff.


           20                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes.  I hereby declare


           21              Item 7-E legally and lawfully adopted.


           22                      MS. GARVEY: 7-F, which was formerly


           23              6-F. FOR CONSIDERATION BY THE COMMITTEE ON


           24              FINANCE - FOR ADOPTION - FILE OF COUNCIL NO.


           25              86, 2009 - AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND OTHER








            2              FROM THE BJA FY 09 RECOVERY ACT EDWARD BYRNE


            3              MEMORIAL JUSTICE ASSISTANCE GRANT (JAG)




            5              $264,201.00 AND DISBURSE SAID FUNDS IN




            7                      MR. MCGOFF:  What is the


            8              recommendation of the Chair for the


            9              Committee on Finance?


           10                      MS. GATELLI:  As the Chair on


           11              Finance, I recommend final passage of Item


           12              7-F.


           13                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.


           14                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  Roll


           15              call, please?


           16                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.


           17                      MS. EVANS:  Yes.


           18                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Gatelli.


           19                      MS. GATELLI.  Yes.


           20                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.


           21                      MS. FANUCCI:  Yes.


           22                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. Courtright.  Mr.


           23              McGoff.


           24                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes.  I hereby declare


           25              Item 7-F legally and lawfully adopted.






            1                      MS. EVANS: Mr. McGoff, before you


            2              began citizens' participation, I was asked


            3              to make this announcement, apparently there


            4              were some problems this evening with the


            5              council meeting, I believe it may have been


            6              with the audio, and these are problems that


            7              Comcast has been addressing this evening, so


            8              I believe it was not going through ECTV, but


            9              it's rather a Comcast issue.


           10                      And just one last thing, a gentleman


           11              who came before us last week about a trash


           12              compactor being located right next to his


           13              house by the University of Scranton, rather


           14              than halting that installation, as you can


           15              see the University has now constructed a


           16              fence around there, concrete platform on


           17              which they'll place the trash compactor and


           18              you can see the gentleman's home which is


           19              closely located to it in the pictures.


           20                      So, I'm going to ask Kay, I don't


           21              know offhand what our ordinances would be


           22              pertaining to dumpsters and trash


           23              compactors, if we could look through those,


           24              see if there is anything we can find at all


           25              pertaining to any type of city legislation






            1              that's going to prevent the location of this


            2              trash compactor right in the middle of a


            3              neighborhood, and if we are not able to find


            4              anything, you know, let's see if there is


            5              some state agency that can be contacted to


            6              come as well because certainly the noise and


            7              the odor that will emanate from this piece


            8              of equipment is going to be intolerable to


            9              the residents.


           10                      MR. MCGOFF: With that, I'll try and


           11              get in touch with Mr. Farrell, also --


           12                      MS. EVANS: That would be very


           13              helpful.


           14                      MR. MCGOFF: -- to see what it is --


           15              if there is something that can be done from


           16              the universities' end, if they are aware of


           17              the problem if that can be done.


           18                      MS. EVANS: Thank you.


           19                      MR. MCGOFF: We'll now return to


           20              citizens' participation.  Andy Sbaraglia.


           21                      MR. SBARAGLIA: Andy Sbaraglia,


           22              citizen of Scranton.  Fellow Scrantonians, I


           23              was very interested in how they rationalize


           24              the loans as being in default or just being


           25              late.  I got a kick out of it, but if you






            1              ever read the contracts it's very specific


            2              the things they have to do.  Apparently, we


            3              got two laws in this city, one for the poor


            4              working class man and one for the business


            5              class man.  If the people do not adhere to


            6              their loan and the preventions of their loan


            7              contract, why are you crucifying the people


            8              of Scranton with these huge fines if they


            9              don't pay their taxes.  Surely when you pay


           10              off a loan it's the same thing like paying


           11              taxes.  It's something that was taken out


           12              that should be done, but for some reason or


           13              other they have great leeway in this OECD,


           14              and I don't understand why.


           15                      I still don't understand why they


           16              don't classify Boscov's as being defunct,


           17              people are paying for and continue to pay


           18              for it and have been paying for it for


           19              years.  He is opening the things up because


           20              Boscov's is a great contributor to the city


           21              and in many ways than just hiring people.


           22              Is he a good man for when it comes times for


           23              contributions.  Him and his wife have been


           24              very generous to the city administration.


           25              Is that the reason why we don't force






            1              Boscov's to pay his own 108 loan or is it's


            2              just another thing that belongs to the city


            3              with this two tier system we have here.


            4                      The politicians are immune from the


            5              federal laws and that's not right.  Laws are


            6              being violated constantly by the


            7              administration in Scranton, by the Tax


            8              Office and so forth and so on.  They were


            9              all violations.  Violations of laws, but yet


           10              if a poor person spits on the sidewalk he


           11              could be arrested because he doesn't have


           12              the pull of a politician.  This is what's


           13              wrong in this city.  This is the reason why


           14              we are defunct.  We have too much politics


           15              involved instead of reason and you have no


           16              intention of ever having reason.  Politics


           17              is there and that's the way it goes.


           18                      People don't pay, I shouldn't say


           19              they don't contribute that much, the


           20              contributors are usually the people with


           21              money that want their favors and they get


           22              them.


           23                      I got my two minutes, huh?


           24                      MR. MCGOFF: Ozzie Quinn.  Marie


           25              Schumacher.






            1                      MS. SCHUMACHER: Marie Schumacher,


            2              resident and member of the taxpayers' group.


            3              I have a lot of short items tonight, I hope.


            4              First, I'd like to know what is the status


            5              of the Comcast contract?  Does it expire at


            6              the end of this year and will the new


            7              contract be solely between the mayor and


            8              Comcast or will council participate?  I


            9              would hope that council will participate?


           10              Next --


           11                      MR. MCGOFF: Quick response?  They


           12              are currently negotiating.


           13                      MS. SCHUMACHER:  Who is the "they"?


           14                      MR. MCGOFF: At the meeting when I


           15              was here it was Mr. Renda, Attorney


           16              Patterson, the mayor, representatives from


           17              Comcast --


           18                      MS. SCHUMACHER:  And you?


           19                      MR. MCGOFF: I was not at the


           20              meeting, I was here for some other business,


           21              but I know this they met.  There may have


           22              been someone else there, too, I'm not sure.


           23                      MS. SCHUMACHER: Well, I would hope


           24              that it would be between -- that council


           25              will be involved this time.  Also, I would






            1              like to know what it the audit status and


            2              what is the status of the streetlight timing


            3              project?  Gas prices are going up again, and


            4              if you recall that had to be requested -- an


            5              extension had to be requested because we


            6              didn't act in ten years and I think it's


            7              time we get off the dime and I would hope


            8              that council would make a motion next week


            9              to the engineer to get that moving.


           10                      Again, properties on -- it was


           11              mentioned last week, two more properties on


           12              Madison Avenue were transferred to the


           13              University of Scranton, the former Presswood


           14              has gone from the tax rolls to a nonprofit


           15              and I would like to know what the current


           16              percent of properties that are taxable and


           17              that are tax exempt are in this city.


           18                      Awhile back, I submitted -- the


           19              mayor in his state of the city address noted


           20              that 30 properties had been condemned and I


           21              asked for the condemnation notices.  I


           22              received them, I don't think they were all


           23              the ones that he talked about because some


           24              of them were after his speech, but I did


           25              notice that, number one, not all of them had






            1              liens put against them, as a matter of fact,


            2              very few had liens put against them and I


            3              thought the policy was to lien any property.


            4                      Next, none of the improvements have


            5              been taken off the assessor's rolls, and I


            6              would request that LIPS be requested to


            7              provide demolition notices to the county


            8              assessor so that those properties are


            9              properly shown as vacant lots now.  A couple


           10              more?


           11                      MR. MCGOFF: Please.


           12                      MS. SCHUMACHER: What happened to the


           13              Home Rules Charter update?  It has been


           14              almost a year since that recommendation came


           15              and nothing, and then I'll finish with it's


           16              been five months since the city filled the


           17              job to aid the rental registrations and I


           18              would like to know how many additional


           19              properties have been registered.  And I'll


           20              be back next week, good Lord willing.  Thank


           21              you.


           22                      MR. MCGOFF: Les Spindler.


           23                      MR. SPINDLER: Good evening, Council.


           24              Les Spindler, city homeowner and taxpayer.


           25              I think it was earlier this year,






            1              Mrs. Gatelli, you were questioned about


            2              attorney's fees which they added up to I


            3              think it was $38,000 and you said you were


            4              going to pay that.


            5                      MS. GATELLI: No, I didn't say I was


            6              going to pay that.  I said I was going to


            7              pay the personal fees that I have incurred


            8              with the attorney.  I don't know what they


            9              have amounted to because I haven't met with


           10              him yet, and that's private information.


           11                      MR. SPINDLER: Don't know what the


           12              fees are, well, I have come across it --


           13                      MS. GATELLI: And I was sued first,


           14              Mr. Spindler?


           15                      MR. SPINDLER: Pardon me?


           16                      MS. GATELLI: I was sued first.


           17                      MR. SPINDLER: Okay, it doesn't


           18              matter.


           19                      MS. GATELLI: Mine was only a


           20              countersuit.


           21                      MR. SPINDLER: I heard the city paid


           22              your fees and that's not right.


           23                      MS. GATELLI: If it's related to city


           24              council then, yes, they did.


           25                      MR. SPINDLER: It wasn't related to






            1              city council.  It was private business.


            2                      MS. GATELLI: Do you have those


            3              documents to prove that?


            4                      MR. SPINDLER: It was in the paper.


            5                      MS. GATELLI:  No, it wasn't.


            6                      MR. SPINDLER: Okay.  I just think --


            7              you used that as part of your $50,000 to


            8              support your write-in campaign, and that was


            9              a funny.


           10                      MS. FANUCCI: Yeah, it was funny.


           11                      MS. GATELLI:  I'm going to be very


           12              disappointed if you didn't write me in.


           13                      MR. SPINDLER: Last week Mrs. Fanucci


           14              voted against Councilwoman Evans' motion and


           15              she said, "Other promising businesses


           16              shouldn't be penalized."


           17                      Well, Mrs. Fanucci, I guess


           18              according to you every business is a


           19              promising business because you vote "yes"


           20              for every one.


           21                      MS. FANUCCI: They certainly are.


           22                      MR. SPINDLER: Yet Molly Brannigan's


           23              wasn't, Michael's Luxury Eyewear wasn't, and


           24              neither was Vidas Tapas Bar, so obviously


           25              you were wrong.






            1                      MS. FANUCCI:  Les, if you open a


            2              business I'll support you, too.


            3                      MS. GATELLI: I think they all were


            4              passed by council.


            5                      MR. SPINDLER: I might if I can get


            6              on of those loans --


            7                      MS. GATELLI:  Mr. Spindler, I think


            8              they all had five council.  I think


            9              everybody voted for them.


           10                      MS. FANUCCI: Yeah.  No, it's just


           11              me.


           12                      MR. SPINDLER: I don't know.


           13                      MS. FANUCCI: It's only me.  It's


           14              only me who likes --


           15                      MR. SPINDLER: Well --


           16                      MS. FANUCCI: --in the city, remember


           17              that.


           18                      MR. SPINDLER: Next thing, in the


           19              Doherty newsletter today, Mayor Chris


           20              Doherty also defended OECD saying he knew


           21              loans to Molly Brannigan's and Michael's


           22              Luxury Eyewear and Vidas Tapas Bar were in


           23              peril.  Why didn't he let anybody else know?


           24                      And further on, Mrs. Fanucci, "I


           25              don't feel like we were mislead,






            1              Mrs. Fanucci said, but we obviously didn't


            2              know what was going on."


            3                      Well, the mayor knew what was going


            4              on, so I guess he didn't feel it was proper


            5              to inform you people so somebody is not


            6              telling the truth.


            7                      Last week Mr. Ellman was here with a


            8              whole page from the newspaper, a list of tax


            9              delinquent taxpayers, why isn't NCC going


           10              after these taxpayers?  The one person was


           11              $400,000 in delinquent taxes.  Why isn't NCC


           12              doing their job?  They collect off the


           13              little guy.  I got letters from them, taxes


           14              I supposedly didn't pay and I had the


           15              receipts that I paid them.  Two minutes?  I


           16              have five minutes.  I didn't talk on the


           17              other things.


           18                      MS. FANUCCI: The rules were changed


           19              sorry, Les for tonight.  They did that for


           20              Mrs. Evans.


           21                      MS. GATELLI: We changed it.


           22                      MR. SPINDLER: It was three and two


           23              and I didn't have a chance -- I didn't talk


           24              on the agenda, so I'm going to keep talking.


           25              Take me to Court.






            1                      MS. FANUCCI: It's riveting.


            2                      MR. SPINDLER:  Incompetent Chief


            3              Elliott --


            4                      MS. GATELLI: Yeah, it's a free for


            5              all anyway, so you might as well go.  Talk


            6              as long as you want.


            7                      MS. FANUCCI:  Go for it, Les.


            8                      MR. SPINDLER: Having Scranton Night


            9              Out --


           10                      MS. GATELLI: Keep on going.


           11                      MR. SPINDLER: -- instead of National


           12              Night Out because we have an incompetent


           13              chief, he doesn't want National Night Out


           14              whenever everybody else has it on August 4,


           15              he disregards -- or he degrades female


           16              police officers, didn't go through the


           17              proper procedures to get grants, the man


           18              should be fired.  He is a totally


           19              incompetent police chief, and National Night


           20              Out, it's called National Night Out for


           21              everybody to have it on the same night and


           22              he wants to have Scranton Night Out.  I


           23              guess people in this administration can do


           24              whatever they want to do and get away with


           25              it.






            1                      And, Mrs. Fanucci, you are always


            2              talking about progress in this city, well,


            3              I'll tell you what's in progress, walking to


            4              La Festa on Labor Day weekend up Linden


            5              Street I saw progress, on the corner of Penn


            6              and Linden and Wyoming and Linden, two holes


            7              in the ground with ugly fences around them


            8              where buildings were torn down and there was


            9              supposed to be progress built there.  Well,


           10              on Wyoming and Linden it says "For Sale" on


           11              the fence.  So there is no progress going on


           12              there.


           13                      MS. FANUCCI: Actually, Les --


           14                      MR. SPINDLER: Let me finish, please.


           15                      MS. FANUCCI: Oh, you don't want to


           16              know about things, you just want to -- okay.


           17              No, go ahead, as long as you're good.


           18                      MS. GATELLI: We are going to have


           19              freedom tonight.


           20                      MR. SPINDLER: Well, I have my five


           21              minutes.  Now I lost my train of thought.


           22              There is two holes in the ground and I


           23              was --


           24                      MR. MINORA: There is your five.


           25                      MR. SPINDLER:  -- walking on the






            1              street with people not from the city and I


            2              was embarrassed to say I was from this city


            3              with those two eyesores of supposedly


            4              progress, and that's -- holes in the ground.


            5              That's progress.


            6                      MS. FANUCCI: Les, keep watching


            7              those holes, baby, because there is going to


            8              be buildings soon and you can be standing


            9              right next to them.


           10                      MR. SPINDLER: That's why there's a


           11              "For Sale" on them --


           12                      MS. FANUCCI: I'll come and take your


           13              picture next to them, honey, I promise.


           14                      MR. SPINDLER: When they go out of


           15              business.


           16                      MR. MCGOFF: Brett McCloe.


           17                      MR. MCCLOE:  Thank you.  My name is


           18              Brett McCloe, Scranton taxpayer.  I'm going


           19              to cut this up a little bit so I can keep


           20              within your time constraints.  What I was


           21              going to say what could have the City of


           22              Scranton done with $720,000 to promote and


           23              foster economic development other than


           24              counting it as a loss in a rush to promote


           25              progress at any cost.  At some point we, the






            1              citizens, are going to be held accountable


            2              for all of the lending and borrowing of


            3              state and federal monies because we seem to


            4              be getting a misuse of hundreds of


            5              thousands, maybe millions of dollars in


            6              state and federal monies at taxpayers'


            7              expense for the sake of image.


            8                      I just think it would be the


            9              citizens of this city and the mayor maybe


           10              four years from now, the next mayor, who


           11              will have to make the really tough decisions


           12              to lead Scranton into more fiscally


           13              responsible and prosper, hopefully this will


           14              happen sooner than later in the election of


           15              new council, but the citizens of the city


           16              rely on the words that comes from the mouths


           17              of our elected officials.  We elect


           18              officials to turn those words into action


           19              regardless if we agree with them or not, but


           20              far too often they become hollow as with the


           21              institution of Scranton's first smoking ban.


           22              I mean, many of you looked us right in the


           23              eye and you told us we must obey because it


           24              was the law then it was overturned we were


           25              told it was legal -- you were told that it






            1              was legal to do what you did and you made no


            2              excuses for it, how many hundreds of


            3              thousands of dollars in income and taxable


            4              revenue was lost and due to an illegal city


            5              ordinance based on faulty.


            6                      But here we are again watching


            7              people explain away $270,000, probably more,


            8              in faulty loans after saying again and again


            9              that no loans were in default and now there


           10              is whatever.  Now, one thing is for sure, we


           11              are finding out the true cost of someone's


           12              version of progress, and just two more


           13              seconds, and someone's version of progress


           14              he even that 2.5 million dollar duplication


           15              of an emergency service center seems to be a


           16              big waste of state and federal funds but, of


           17              course, if we don't take it someone else


           18              will.


           19                      I just want to quickly finish up by


           20              saying all politics is local, and to blame


           21              the Obama administration and federal


           22              government for creating massive debt and


           23              government waste may be at least partially


           24              misplaced because, as you see, massive waste


           25              and debt starts here at the municipal level






            1              and cities all across America.


            2                      To those who complain that speakers


            3              come to this podium have no solutions, I


            4              have to say, in order to have a solution you


            5              must examine the problem.  If you don't see


            6              a problem that exists with massive debt,


            7              lack of accountability and back door deals,


            8              it wouldn't be hard to say that you might be


            9              one of those who benefit from the


           10              mismanagement, and that is a problem.


           11                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr. McCloe.


           12                      MR. MCCLOE: Yes.  Thank you for


           13              giving me that few extra seconds.


           14                      MR. MCGOFF: David Dobrzyn.


           15                      MR. DOBRZYN: David Dobrzyn, resident


           16              of Scranton once again.  The subject came up


           17              about stoves, wood stoves.  In my


           18              neighborhood around the 600 of Crown and 900


           19              of Alder Street, a neighbor has also


           20              confirmed this, we smell garbage burning,


           21              not wood, it's garbage, and we are working


           22              on a way to find an infrared detector lens


           23              that we can find out what chimney it's


           24              coming out of and we are asking the person


           25              to please stop.  When you burn plastic you






            1              are creating a witch's brew of chemicals


            2              that are very harmful to breathe in and can


            3              cause diseases later that no doctor can even


            4              possibly diagnose the cause of and you know.


            5                      MS. GATELLI: Are they burning it in


            6              their house?


            7                      MR. DOBRZYN: We don't know.  We


            8              can't see it out in the yard so somebody has


            9              got a burner in their house or in a garage


           10              or something and they are incinerating this


           11              stuff and there is no reason for it because


           12              whether you pay your garbage fee or not it


           13              gets picked up.


           14                      MS. GATELLI: You can't see the


           15              smoke?


           16                      MR. DOBRZYN: No, because it's


           17              happening after dark, so we want to get some


           18              infrared detection equipment, we are working


           19              on it and when we catch them we are going to


           20              turn them over to the authorities.


           21                      At the Harriet Beecher Stowe


           22              apartments I'd like to compliment them, it


           23              is a step up in the neighborhood, but the


           24              gas and water companies when they come in I


           25              seen and literally witnessed them using a






            1              dump truck as a roller for the asphalt, and


            2              a few days later there was a massive sink


            3              hole there and the police were called and


            4              now it has been up to -- it's up to snuff as


            5              far as the repair, but a lot of these holes


            6              and a lot of our roads we are footing the


            7              bill for the profits of the gas company and


            8              water company who just come in and do


            9              whatever job they feel like doing and that's


           10              ashame.  I wish the city would have some


           11              kind of inspection after these projects are


           12              done and if they are not done right make


           13              them come right back there, but somebody hit


           14              that pothole, broke something on their car


           15              and called the police.  That's how it got


           16              fixed.


           17                      MS. GATELLI: We to have an inspector


           18              for pave cuts.


           19                      MR. DOBRZYN:  Well, hopefully there


           20              will be a follow-up inspection because that


           21              was --


           22                      MS. GATELLI:  And where is that at,


           23              Mr. Dobrzyn?  At the Harriet Beecher Stowe?


           24                      MR. DOBRZYN: Yeah.  Yeah.  It's been


           25              fixed.  It was on Beech Street.






            1                      MS. GATELLI: It's been fixed.


            2              Because the utilities are obligated to fill


            3              the hole.


            4                      MR. DOBRZYN:  Yeah, and it was not


            5              up to par at all.  I mean, within a few days


            6              there was a six-inch hole.  My wife and I


            7              were sitting and watching the people boom,


            8              boom.  Even in the SUV's they are slowing


            9              down.  Maybe that's a good thing to have a


           10              speed bumped there.


           11                      MS. GATELLI: Some people ask for


           12              one.


           13                      MR. DOBRZYN: And, you know, you


           14              people are taking an awful lot of heat over


           15              Molly Brannigan's and the smoking ban, but


           16              when we loan out the business, I always say


           17              I wouldn't invest ten cents in the


           18              distribution of alcohol, drugs or fire --


           19              alcohol, tobacco or firearms and the reason


           20              being because the regulations, but when


           21              we -- if we are going to invest in these


           22              businesses of entertainment we have to let


           23              them operate as a competitive business.  I


           24              felt that that was a start to their problems


           25              down there in addition to another Irish bar






            1              up the street and quite a few other things,


            2              but I don't think the smoking ban was a help


            3              for them, so it's just something that Brett


            4              McCloe put in any head.  It's all his fault.


            5                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.


            6                      MS. GATELLI: You know, the state


            7              instituted the smoking ban.


            8                      MR. DOBRZYN:  Yeah, yeah, but then


            9              it makes it difficult for people, if people


           10              are spending discretionary money and they


           11              don't like the experience irregardless of


           12              what the cause is they don't have to go, and


           13              that's what the state has to realize then


           14              don't lend out to entertainment business if


           15              you are going to lose money.


           16                      MR. MCGOFF:  Thank you, Mr. Dobrzyn.


           17                      MR. DOBRZYN: It's the way it is,


           18              okay?  Thank you and have a good night.


           19                      MR. MCGOFF: Glenn Beck.  Any other


           20              speakers?  Jean Suetta, please.


           21                      MS. SUETTA:  Jean Suetta.  I'm


           22              calling about the jungle across the street


           23              from me.  Still the same, all right?


           24              Gardner Avenue and Greenridge Street, on the


           25              other side of Greenridge Street I don't know






            1              who is supposed to maintain that.


            2                      MS. FANUCCI: I'll find out.


            3                      MS. SUETTA:  And the Lace Works is


            4              starting to grow back up again.  Get ahold


            5              of Cordaro.  And last week, what's his name,


            6              oh, Talimini was running down DPW about the


            7              barricades and blah, blah, blah, at


            8              nighttime there is only one watchman, that's


            9              it, and if they call for barricades he can't


           10              leave the premises and take the barricades


           11              to wherever they are needed at a fire or an


           12              accident.


           13                      DPW works hard.  Don't condemn them.


           14              They are my fellow workers and I worked as a


           15              watchman, they called for the barricades,


           16              they have them there in the shed, the guy


           17              cannot leave the premises or he losses his


           18              job.  For Talimini to be that hard on them,


           19              it's enough.  And how about the bushes?


           20              Please get rid of the bushes.


           21                      MS. GATELLI: The who?


           22                      MS. SUETTA: The jungle across the


           23              street from me, and now further down, down


           24              by the Giant, I think it's Giant market


           25              property I can't even see the Greenridge






            1              Plaza.


            2                      MS. FANUCCI:  Where?  No, wait.


            3              Tell me where?


            4                      MS. SUETTA: All right, you go down


            5              Gardner Avenue, across the street, you go


            6              all the way down where the trucks go into --


            7                      MS. FANUCCI: Okay, I got it now.


            8                      MS. SUETTA: You can't even see.  So


            9              I don't know, who owns the plaza?


           10                      MS. FANUCCI: I don't know, we will


           11              find out.


           12                      MS. SUETTA:  But that VIP place you


           13              sent how many letters to them already?


           14                      MS. FANUCCI:  A lot, a lot.


           15                      MS. SUETTA: Why ain't they fined?


           16                      MS. FANUCCI: Well, let's fine them.


           17                      MS. SUETTA: And tell Cordaro his


           18              place is starting to grow up, too, and there


           19              are two buildings on Mylert Avenue in the


           20              1400 block that their roof caved in.  Three


           21              people were hurt, they had to take them out


           22              of there, and those buildings are condemned.


           23              One was Paricino's and I don't know who owns


           24              the other one, but I'll find out.  Please do


           25              something across the street.  How many times






            1              is this already?


            2                      MS. FANUCCI: I know, it's a lot.


            3                      MS. SUETTA: I'm going to have


            4              rollover minutes, Amil.  Have a good one.


            5                      MR. MCGOFF: Good night.  Phyllis.


            6                      MS. HUMPHRIES:  Peek-a-boo.  Here is


            7              my bag of tricks.  Hi, everybody, I hope you


            8              had a wonderful summer and I hope you have a


            9              wonderful winter, spring, summer and fall


           10              and the whole nine yards, 100 yards, let's


           11              put it that way.  I want to extend my love


           12              and who I'm going to miss, Bishop Martino


           13              and I'm asking publically to come back


           14              because we got to roll up the sleeves and


           15              we've got a lot of work to do.  He left for


           16              Jerusalem.  Father Asad, I love him, he is


           17              my spiritual director, he went back to my


           18              home town.


           19                      I want to try to do this as best I


           20              could.  Fall wreathes and decorate pumpkins


           21              for sale, apartment 500, call MaryAnn at


           22              341-8305.  She makes Christmas wreathes and


           23              beautiful ribbons.  That's that.


           24                      Now, I got this, I'm going to just


           25              put it here for you.






            1                      MR. MCGOFF: Phyllis, please don't --


            2                      MS. HUMPHRIES: Oh, this important.


            3              This represents our police department --


            4                      MS. FANUCCI: What is that, a foot?


            5                      MS. HUMPHRIES:  And the laws, and


            6              this is Lincoln.


            7                      MR. MCGOFF: Now, Phyllis, please.


            8                      MS. HUMPHRIES: And this is it could


            9              happen to you.  Now we are going to go back


           10              here.  You ready, here it is.  On


           11              September 17, 1787, "We, the people of the


           12              United States in order to form a more


           13              perfect union established justice and insure


           14              domestic tranquility provide for the common


           15              defense, promote for the general welfare and


           16              secure the blessing of liberty to ourselves


           17              and our posterity do ordain and establish


           18              this constitution for the United States of


           19              America."


           20                      My mission, everybody knows, is for


           21              the unborn.  My mission is for the intact of


           22              the constitution of the United States that


           23              has been desecrated since Roe vs. Wade.  May


           24              17, my birthday, I was born on flag day, and


           25              June 26 a miracle occurred, that was






            1              ordained for the treaty of Peace of all


            2              nations at the United nations, so I


            3              represent the United nations in a special


            4              way, but our lady of nations.


            5                      I was walking up here today, I'm not


            6              going to say the negative things, I'm going


            7              to say all of the positive things.  The


            8              negative things will be taken care of by my


            9              upper government people.  I am in disguise,


           10              and what I have to say is I was walking up


           11              the steps here and there's like a bill hole


           12              in these steps, and I don't know if they


           13              know that there is a hole coming up these


           14              steps and I don't want like this building to


           15              go down into the mines or into hell, so I


           16              thought they should check the steps, number


           17              one.  Number two --


           18                      MR. MCGOFF: Phyllis, your time is


           19              up.


           20                      MS. HUMPHRIES: No, no, no.


           21                      MR. MCGOFF: Thankfully, it is.


           22                      MS. HUMPHRIES: There is holes in the


           23              steps I was walking up them, right, my time


           24              will never go out.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF: I --






            1                      MS. HUMPHRIES: It will go to


            2              eternity.  And so, this is where I have to


            3              say, I was at the police department and --


            4                      MR. MCGOFF: It seems like an


            5              eternity to me.


            6                      MS. HUMPHRIES:  This is a surprise,


            7              it's a surprise.


            8                      MR. MCGOFF: All right, Phyllis --


            9                      MS. HUMPHRIES:  I was sworn in and I


           10              am a deputy sherif.


           11                      MR. MCGOFF: Phyllis --


           12                      MS. HUMPHRIES: Well, what did you


           13              think about that, my boys, and what did you


           14              think about that, my girls?


           15                      MR. MCGOFF: Phyllis, please.  Other


           16              people want to speak.


           17                      MS. HUMPHRIES:  But there is one


           18              more thing, I'm being ostracized and it


           19              takes 6,000 to people to sign for being


           20              ostracized, and I was, but that was it --


           21                      MR. MCGOFF: Phyllis --


           22                      MS. HUMPHRIES: Just one more thing,


           23              when you swear every one of yous, your job


           24              and you don't do your jobs guess what


           25              happens?  Impeachment, abolishment and the






            1              whole nine yards.  That's it, girls and


            2              boys, I love you all.  Think about it.  Oh,


            3              and I forget my castanets to do the --


            4                      MR. MCGOFF: What did you break?


            5                      MS. HUMPHRIES:  I didn't.  It was


            6              this.  Freedom.  Let freedom ring.


            7                      MR. MCGOFF: Phyllis, please.  Other


            8              people would like to speak.  Anyone else?


            9                      MS. GATELLI: Can I borrow those


           10              castanets.


           11                      MR. MCGOFF: Anyone else?  Mr.


           12              Ellman?  Phyllis, please.  Someone else is


           13              speaking.


           14                      MR. ELLMAN: That was worth the price


           15              of admission, wasn't it?


           16                      MS. HUMPHRIES: Now isn't better to


           17              be funny and have fun?


           18                      MS. GATELLI: It is.  It's good to


           19              have fun and laugh.


           20                      MS. HUMPHRIES: Yeah, we need a lot


           21              of laughing.


           22                      MR. ELLMAN: Last night, I didn't


           23              even bring no notes, I wasn't going to talk


           24              or nothing today, last night Miss Rosie and


           25              me went to Fresno's to eat and we had a






            1              coupon for a free meal or something, you


            2              know, and I know must of you have been there


            3              you and they've got a beautiful view of the


            4              whole city, and I was looking as those


            5              thousands of houses and businesses and


            6              stores and why can't the city make it -- it


            7              just doesn't make sense, besides the graphic


            8              corruption that's going on here year after


            9              year, it just has to be mismanagement.  I


           10              mean, I don't know, thousands and thousands


           11              of houses you can see from there and every


           12              time we hear there is nobody for this, that


           13              or the other thing.  I would just -- just a


           14              passing thing.


           15                      I got a question, when a house is


           16              condemned how do you get back in legally?  I


           17              mean, you have to have an electrical


           18              inspection?


           19                      MS. FANUCCI: Ron, you have to do --


           20                      MR. ELLMAN: I have no idea what they


           21              do.


           22                      MS. FANUCCI:  You have to actually g


           23              and have all of it fixed and then Patty


           24              comes in and she usually -- they have an


           25              electrical inspector and then you have to






            1              sign off saying that everything is better


            2              for you to be able to open and live in the


            3              house again.


            4                      MR. ELLMAN: Near me there are people


            5              that are living in a condemned house, but


            6              they are working like Trojans to fix it up


            7              so I wouldn't say nothing myself, but I was


            8              just wondering you they had, you know, the


            9              utilities turned on.


           10                      MS. FANUCCI: Right.  Usually --


           11                      MR. ELLMAN:  I'm not going to get


           12              them in trouble or nothing.


           13                      MS. FANUCCI: Yeah, you have to give


           14              us the address though because if that's the


           15              case you have to realize that that could be


           16              dangerous to them, that could be dangerous


           17              to the neighbors if there is a fire or


           18              something happens so, you know, they


           19              shouldn't be living there if they are trying


           20              to -- even if they are trying to fix it.


           21                      MR. ELLMAN: They have been there a


           22              month or so and they have been really


           23              working on it.  I have walked my dog by


           24              there now and then, but I just wondered how


           25              they got -- I know I went through with our






            1              house when it was burned, you know, it was--


            2              everything was such a problem.


            3                      You know, real quick, Mr. Phillips


            4              said that when they were talking about the


            5              property out there that the University of


            6              Scranton had taken $28 million off the tax


            7              rolls from the school -- just the school


            8              board the last 15 years.  Last week I talked


            9              about the two pieces of property they took


           10              off, and now this other greedy, thankless


           11              school is trying to take everything in their


           12              part of town off of it.  Nobody comes in


           13              here to say how we are supposed to pay, the


           14              rest of us how are we supposed to pay for


           15              this.  These schools got to be stopped


           16              somehow.  I mean, you cannot let these two


           17              schools just keep buying hundreds of houses


           18              and taking them off -- I know what the law


           19              is and people tell me, but it's got to step


           20              someplace.  I mean, there must be something,


           21              you know, they can be zoned or something,


           22              isn't it?  What are we going to do in


           23              15 years?  I won't be here.  If the other


           24              school got $28 million off the tax rolls,


           25              which is about 100 houses, I guess.  Last






            1              week it was 600 -- over 600 businesses that


            2              owed money and nobody goes after them


            3              evidently.  I just never seen a city so


            4              mismanaged and a county like this.  It's


            5              just deplorable.  You people just don't know


            6              how people are talking about what's going on


            7              in this city when, you know, they stop me at


            8              the grocery store or whatever.


            9                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr. Ellman.


           10                      MS. GATELLI: Mr. Ellman, do you


           11              still have that list of those properties


           12              that was in the paper?


           13                      MR. ELLMAN: Yeah, I do.  It's -- I


           14              left it at home.


           15                      MS. GATELLI: Could you bring it for


           16              me because I was gone away and I never saw


           17              it.


           18                      MR. ELLMAN:  I'll leave it in the


           19              office this week.


           20                      MS. GATELLI:  Thank you.


           21                      MR. ELLMAN: Bye-bye.


           22                      MR. MCGOFF: Mr. Ancherani.


           23                      MR. ANCHERANI: Your agony is almost


           24              over.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF: Excuse me?






            1                      MR. ANCHERANI: Your agony is almost


            2              over.


            3                      MS. GATELLI: It's not agony.  It's


            4              been fun tonight, Nelson.


            5                      MR. ANCHERANI: Good evening.


            6                      MS. GATELLI: You got to make it fun,


            7              too.


            8                      MR. ANCHERANI: Good evening.  Nelson


            9              Ancherani, First Amendment Rights.  Recently


           10              I sent a Right-to-Know letter to Stu Renda's


           11              Office.  I requested the dollar amounts of


           12              payments made to attorneys the city retains


           13              and are not employees of the law department.


           14              They're Ken Jaron, who represents the city


           15              against the fire union; Tim O'Reilly, who


           16              represents the city against the police


           17              unions; Dick Goldberg who represents the


           18              city in legal matters against the unions;


           19              Carl Greco's payments to him were also


           20              requested.


           21                      I received 28 pages of information


           22              from Renda's office and paid $7.00 for them.


           23              I had requested the same information on the


           24              same Right-to-Know request on Attorney


           25              George Reihner.  That information was not






            1              included in the information given back to


            2              me.  What I learned from the Right-to-Know


            3              information for Renda's office was that a


            4              total of $2,400,487 from 2002 through 2009


            5              was paid to the attorneys previously


            6              mentioned, excluding Reihner.  Jaron,


            7              Goldberg and O'Reilly received $1,309,215


            8              combined since 2002.  Goldberg received the


            9              most, $963,175.  Jaron received $263,190,


           10              and O'Reilly received $82,850 according to


           11              the figures supplied on the Right-to-Know


           12              request.


           13                      That's $1,309,215 spent fighting the


           14              unions to satisfy a giant ego.  That money


           15              could have been well-spent on letting kids


           16              swim free at Nay Aug or to pay our brave


           17              city soldiers who have returned from Iraq


           18              and never got the money from the city to


           19              make them whole.  It's nice to welcome home


           20              returning soldiers as was done recently.  We


           21              won't forget that the first returning


           22              soldiers weren't made whole for their great


           23              service to their country.


           24                      We have been saying for awhile now


           25              that well over $1 million has been spent






            1              thus far in the union battles with the city,


            2              requesting information proves it.


            3                      I'm curious, what's going on or not


            4              going on at the Connell building?  Are


            5              construction workers there?  I drive by and


            6              I see workers at the parking garage, but


            7              what is happening --  can you I finish this?


            8                      MR. MCGOFF: Please.


            9                      MR. ANCHERANI: But what is happening


           10              at the Connell building?  They could not


           11              have run out of money, could they?  I


           12              remember after the $35 million loan was


           13              approved by council for the Scranton Parking


           14              Authority the mayor saying work on the


           15              Connell building would begin.  What's


           16              happening?  I cringe when I think that we


           17              taxpayers will be paying $59 million back in


           18              interest on that loan.  Okay.  Thank you.


           19                      MR. MCGOFF: No one else?  Motion to


           20              adjourn.


           21                      MS. GATELLI: Second.


           22                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you for your


           23              participation.










            1                     C E R T I F I C A T E




            3        I hereby certify that the proceedings and


            4   evidence are contained fully and accurately in the


            5   notes of testimony taken by me at the hearing of the


            6   above-captioned matter and that the foregoing is a true


            7   and correct transcript of the same to the best of my


            8   ability.







                                    CATHENE S. NARDOZZI, RPR

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