1              SCRANTON CITY COUNCIL MEETING








            5                          HELD:




            7                Tuesday, September 8, 2009




            9                        LOCATION:


           10                    Council Chambers


           11                 Scranton City Hall


           12              340 North Washington Avenue


           13                Scranton, Pennsylvania











































                MS. JANET E. EVANS



            9   MS. SHERRY FANUCCI



                MR. WILLIAM COURTRIGHT



           12   MS. KAY GARVEY, CITY CLERK






           15   MR. AMIL MINORA, SOLICITOR


























            1                      (Pledge of Allegiance recited and


            2              moment of reflection observed.)


            3                      MR. MCGOFF:  Roll call, please?


            4                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.


            5                      MS. EVANS:  Here.


            6                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Gatelli.


            7                      MS. GATELLI:  Here.


            8                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.


            9                      MS. FANUCCI:  Here.


           10                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. Courtright.


           11                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Here.


           12                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF:  Here.  Dispense with


           14              the reading of the minutes.


           15                      MS. GARVEY: 3-A. AGENDA FOR THE




           17              12, 2009.


           18                      MR. MCGOFF: Are there any comments?


           19              If not, received and filed.


           20                      MS. GARVEY: 3-B. TAX COLLECTION




           22              TAX OFFICE ON AUGUST 11, 2009.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF: Are there any comments?


           24              If not, received and filed.


           25                      MS. GARVEY: 3-C. APPLICATIONS AND








            2              BOARD MEETING HELD ON AUGUST 12, 2009.


            3                       MR. MCGOFF: Are there any comments?


            4              If not, received and filed.


            5                      MS. GARVEY: 3-D. MINUTES OF THE




            7              22, 2009.


            8                      MR. MCGOFF: Are there any comments?


            9              If not, received and filed.


           10                      MS. GARVEY: 3-E. MINUTES OF THE




           12              HELD ON JULY 22, 2009.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF: Are there any comments?


           14              If not, received and filed.


           15                      MS. GARVEY: 3-F. MINUTES OF THE




           17              JULY 22, 2009.


           18                      MR. MCGOFF: Are there any comments?


           19              If not, received and filed.


           20                      MS. GARVEY: 3-G. MINUTES OF THE




           22              JULY 22, 2009.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF: Are there any comments?


           24              If not, received and filed.


           25                      MS. GARVEY: 3-H. AGENDA FOR THE








            2              HELD ON AUGUST 26, 2009.


            3                       MR. MCGOFF: Are there any comments?


            4              If not, received and filed.


            5                      MS. GARVEY: 3-I. AGENDA FOR THE




            7              SEPTEMBER 9, 2009.


            8                      MR. MCGOFF: Are there any comments?


            9              If not, received and filed.


           10                      MS. GARVEY: 3-J. CONTROLLER'S REPORT


           11              FOR THE MONTH ENDING JULY 31, 2009.


           12                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mrs. Garvey.


           13              Are there any comments?  If not, received


           14              and filed.  Thank you, Mrs. Garvey.  Any


           15              announcements from members of counsel?  Mrs.


           16              Gatelli?


           17                      MS. GATELLI: Yes.  The first thing I


           18              would like to announce is the Night Out


           19              against crime will be held Tuesday,


           20              September 15 at the Tripp Park Complex from


           21              5 to 9.  It's unfortunate that it's being


           22              held on a Tuesday evening when there is


           23              council meeting going on because I'm sure


           24              most of us go to that fair, and I'm very


           25              disappointed that we won't be able to be






            1              there.  Hopefully the meeting will be over a


            2              little early next week and we can take a


            3              scoot over after the meeting, but I'm glad


            4              to see that they are having it.  There will


            5              be a canine demonstration and parade, the


            6              smokehouse from the fire department, free


            7              hot dogs and drinks and Tommy the DJ


            8              sponsored by the Scranton Police Department.


            9                      Also, on Sunday, September 20, from


           10              noon to seven, will be Lebanese Heritage Day


           11              at St. Ann's Marian Church.  They will have


           12              all kinds of Lebanese food and things for


           13              the children, Sumner Avenue and West Price


           14              Street in West Scranton, and that's the only


           15              announcements I have.  Thank you.


           16                      MS. EVANS: Please remember in your


           17              prayers all those who are died in the last


           18              month, particularly retired lieutenant Ben


           19              Davis, a firefighter who served our city


           20              with dedication and professionalism and his


           21              dear family and friends he leaves behind.


           22              May God show his tender mercies to the Davis


           23              family, and especially his son Mark, who is


           24              also a Scranton firefighter.


           25                      This Friday as a nation we






            1              commemorate the 9/11 attacks against


            2              America.  I ask you to remember in your


            3              prayers all of the victims of this tragedy


            4              and their family members who forever suffer


            5              their loss.  A memorial service will be held


            6              at McDade Park at 8 a.m., and a brief


            7              service will be held at St. Ann's Basilica


            8              at noon.


            9                      The annual St. Paul's church picnic


           10              will be conducted this Friday, Saturday and


           11              Sunday, September 11, 12 and 13 on the


           12              church grounds at the corner of Marian


           13              Street and Penn Avenue.  The picnic offers


           14              great food, games, raffles and fun for all


           15              ages.


           16                      An AIDS walk will be conducted on


           17              September 19 at Nay Aug Park.  Registration


           18              is $10 and it opens at 10 a.m., and the walk


           19              itself begins at 11:30 a.m.  All proceeds


           20              benefit the Scranton Temple Health Center.


           21              Please come out and support this very worthy


           22              cause.


           23                      On Sunday, September 20, from 12 to


           24              6 p.m., the Polish Food Festival will be


           25              held at St. Stanislaus Youth Center at 530






            1              East Elm Street in Scranton.  The food is


            2              out of this world, so treat yourself to some


            3              Polish delicacies.


            4                      Also, I wish to commend all those


            5              who worked on the Latino Pride Parade of


            6              Events and the Italian Festival in the City


            7              of Scranton.  Both events were highly


            8              successful and Scranton is most proud to


            9              serve as their host city.


           10                      Council received a petition from the


           11              residents of Taylor Avenue, Linden Street


           12              and North Irving Avenue which opposes the


           13              installation of a 40-foot dumpster compactor


           14              by the University of Scranton at 322


           15              Wenzelli Court.  The Court lies between


           16              Taylor and North Irving Avenues.  Residents


           17              object to the odor, noise, and unsightly


           18              appearance of the dumpster/compactor.  As a


           19              council, I believe it is our duty to


           20              safeguard the welfare, safety, and peace of


           21              mind of Scranton residents, therefore, I


           22              would like a letter from Scranton City


           23              Council to the University of Scranton with a


           24              petition attached requesting the removal of


           25              the dumpster compactor with my colleague's






            1              agreement.


            2                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Fine by me.


            3                      MS. GATELLI: Agree.


            4                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.


            5                      MS. EVANS:  Thank you.  And if, Kay,


            6              we might also send a letter to licensing and


            7              inspections to make sure that they're in


            8              contact with the University as well, and


            9              this should be moved as soon as possible.


           10                      Finally, I hope everyone enjoyed a


           11              wonderful Labor Day weekend and recognized


           12              the significance of our hardworking labor


           13              unions both past and present whose sacrifice


           14              and commitments to fair labor practices for


           15              all working Americans are the backbone of


           16              our great country.  If you traveled the


           17              courthouse square area during the Italian


           18              festival, I hope you admired the statute of


           19              our ground breaking labor leader John


           20              Mitchell who was largely responsible for


           21              this American holiday, and that's all.


           22                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Mr. McGoff, I -- I


           23              discussed this with Mr. McGoff earlier, I


           24              wanted to do this in the beginning of the


           25              meeting so maybe we can get out in front of






            1              something.  Right before we took our break


            2              for the summer there was an issue that came


            3              up about two grants actually that went out


            4              to the Justice Department.  What had


            5              happened was there was a letter sent to the


            6              Justice Department that council was unaware


            7              of, I want to read one to you because they


            8              are either exactly the same or similar, I


            9              should say.  This is to Traci Williams from


           10              the Justice Department, and the letter is


           11              sent by the grant writer the City of


           12              Scranton has.  Now, keep in mind, the grant


           13              writer is part-time for the City of Scranton


           14              and full-time for the county.


           15                      "Let this correspondence serve as


           16              official notification that the memorandum of


           17              understanding between the City of Scranton,


           18              Moosic, South Abington, Carbondale, and


           19              Lackawanna County pursuant to the 2009 JAG


           20              nonfederal grant was offered into the


           21              Scranton City Council Committee on Public


           22              Safety, Tuesday, April 7, 2009, and was


           23              unanimously approved per Chief David


           24              Elliott.


           25                      Additionally, the memorandum of






            1              understanding was introduced in the regular


            2              minutes of Scranton City Council and made


            3              available for the public comment.  To date,


            4              all public comment has been overwhelmingly


            5              positive about the programs intentions per


            6              Chief David Elliott.  Thank you for your


            7              consideration in this manner and please do


            8              not hesitate to contact with me with any


            9              questions."


           10                      And it's sent by the grant writer,


           11              part-time grant writer for the City of


           12              Scranton.  That letter was dated May 18th of


           13              2009.  We have the same letter July 8th of


           14              2008.  When was discovered through members


           15              of the public that asked questions of me,


           16              also members of council asked questions of


           17              me, I believe it was discovered by the


           18              business administration office, what


           19              happened was none of this actually happened.


           20              We never saw any of this legislation.  We


           21              didn't see the legislation for 2008.  We did


           22              not see the legislation for 2009.  We did


           23              not vote on it.  It was not passed


           24              unanimously.  There was no public comment


           25              and they did not receive it overwhelmingly






            1              because it just simply did not happen.


            2                      So I went and I spoke with them, and


            3              bear with me because it's a little bit


            4              lengthy explanation here, I went and I spoke


            5              to Mary Theresa Patterson, who is the city


            6              solicitor, and she called in Stu Renda, who


            7              is the business administrator, and we


            8              discussed it and we had a phone conversation


            9              with Dave Elliott.  Because of the phone


           10              conversation that we had with Dave Elliott


           11              we had a meeting with Mr. McGoff, myself and


           12              Ray Hayes, who is the Director of Public


           13              Safety, Mary Theresa Patterson and Dave


           14              Elliott and we discussed how could something


           15              like this happen.


           16                      That meeting spawned another meeting


           17              which is a meeting, so as you can see we


           18              weren't just doing nothing during the break,


           19              another meeting with Mr. McGoff, myself,


           20              Dave Elliott and the grant writer, again,


           21              the part-time grant writer for the county,


           22              full-time with the county.  That in turn had


           23              another meeting resulted from it, and that


           24              was with the grant writer, her supervisor


           25              from the county, Mr. McGoff, and myself.






            1                      And the reason I bring it up now is


            2              because I know there was people from the


            3              public that asked questions, and I believe


            4              people from the people sent letters to the


            5              JAG office, the federal government, and sent


            6              letters to our office and I thought I could


            7              just give you some information now.  So what


            8              appears is there was a colossal


            9              misunderstanding between the grant writer


           10              and Dave Elliott.  If there is any further


           11              questions I would most certainly be happy to


           12              answer them from anybody if you just want


           13              explanation when you come to the podium or


           14              anybody on council here, but I want to get


           15              this out front now so that you know we are


           16              not trying to hide anything.


           17                      Well, the grant is going to be given


           18              to us, all right.  I believe we need to have


           19              an account opened up for it.  We didn't have


           20              any of the proper procedures done because we


           21              did not know about it.  We didn't know what


           22              they were.


           23                      MS. EVANS: Mr. Courtright, yes, as


           24              you just mentioned there is legislation on


           25              tonight's agenda that pertains to the JAG






            1              grant and I'm very grateful that the city is


            2              receiving this money, and I'm going to vote


            3              "yes" to introduce it tonight because I know


            4              we sorely need these funds.  The police


            5              department needs more than is even available


            6              to us at this point in time, particularly in


            7              light of what occurrences have been revealed


            8              in the last month, but I'm not -- I realize,


            9              okay, there were two letters, you have had -


           10              you and Mr. McGoff have had now what was


           11              that three meetings over --


           12                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  I have had four.


           13                      MS. EVANS: Four meetings, okay, and


           14              can you explain to me though you said there


           15              is a colossal misunderstanding, what is this


           16              big misunderstanding?  I mean, what is the--


           17              please, if you can in detail tell us what


           18              this misunderstanding is because my concern


           19              since you brought this out publically now is


           20              the fact that false information was provided


           21              to the Justice Department with regard to


           22              Scranton City Council and someone has to be


           23              held responsible for that.  Do we know, I


           24              mean, what's been the end result of the four


           25              meetings?






            1                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Okay.  I'll be happy


            2              to explain it, and again, this is the reason


            3              I brought it up because we don't want to


            4              look like we are hiding anything, but I


            5              would ask Mr. Minora if in my explanation do


            6              you think I'm giving information that's


            7              confidential and I shouldn't be giving would


            8              you jump in?


            9                      MR. MINORA:  I will, but I don't see


           10              that this is a personnel matter or


           11              litigation.  I mean, it's --


           12                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Okay.


           13                      MR. MINORA: It's legislation, so if


           14              there is a problem --


           15                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I'll also ask


           16              Mr. McGoff if I'm on base then or incorrect


           17              because the only meeting he wasn't on was


           18              the first one when I spoke to the attorney


           19              with the city and Mr. Renda, and I'll try to


           20              summarize it and then I will be more than


           21              happy to give you more detail if you need it


           22              and then further after the meeting give you


           23              more detail.


           24                      My understanding of what has


           25              happened is that, and again, please correct






            1              me if I'm wrong because this is a little bit


            2              of a touchy situation, the grant writer was


            3              told by the police department that on


            4              April 7 we -- council was going to be


            5              receiving legislation, all right?  And I


            6              have to assume that this is the same thing


            7              that the grant writer was told in 2008.


            8              This happened two years, we didn't catch it


            9              the first year and we caught it in 2009.  So


           10              she was told by Dave that the legislation is


           11              going to go before us.


           12                      What she did was she took an old


           13              letter to the Justice Department, I believe


           14              maybe 2007, and she merely copied it and put


           15              it in the dates, all right?  And I asked her


           16              in the last meeting that we had, you know,


           17              why would you do that, you know, and she


           18              said, "Well, that's what I was told.  I was


           19              told it was going in there."


           20                      I said, okay, you know, you sent


           21              that to the Justice Department -- she sent


           22              it to the Justice Department assuming that


           23              it went to us because they have told -- Dave


           24              Elliott told her it was coming to us.  She


           25              had no reason to believe otherwise.






            1                      MS. EVANS: Mr. Courtright, just one


            2              quick question in case I forget -- or


            3              Mr. McGoff, is it the grant writer's job


            4              then to notify city council that this


            5              legislation should be coming or is it the


            6              job of the legal department or the job of


            7              the police department, who typically


            8              contacts city council to put the legislation


            9              on?


           10                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I checked into this,


           11              this was a question brought up and, Kay, now


           12              you can correct me if I'm incorrect, what


           13              had happened in the past is the police


           14              department would send a letter to the law


           15              department, the law department would write


           16              legislation that would come to us, and then


           17              we always passed it and I think the grant


           18              writer, you know, assumed we would this


           19              time, which I'm sure we would have.


           20                      MS. EVANS: Oh, yes.


           21                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  But that didn't


           22              happen.  It went to the law department on


           23              2008 and I guess again in 2009, and somehow


           24              the business administrator caught it this


           25              time.  So she had no reason to believe that






            1              it didn't go to us.  I said, well, did you


            2              not have to have someone sign off on this?


            3              She said it went electronically.  I believe,


            4              and correct me if I'm wrong here, Bob, the


            5              last thing I think she said Dave Elliott got


            6              a copy and then a copy goes electronically


            7              and then he has access to her e-mail.  I


            8              don't know, you know, she assumed that it


            9              went to us.  No one told her differently, so


           10              I guess that raises another question.


           11                      MS. EVANS: Well, Mr. Courtright, I


           12              was wondering, as I said, the legislation is


           13              included on tonight's agenda and I do know


           14              that the city sorely needs this money.


           15                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Right.


           16                      MS. EVANS: And it's not my intention


           17              to stand in the way of the creation of the


           18              account or the acceptance of the grant, but


           19              I still have questions about last year's


           20              grant, for example, how much was received,


           21              where was that money placed and what I am


           22              wondering though is before we cast our final


           23              vote on this legislation to accept the JAG


           24              grant and create the new account for


           25              placement therein, would you be able to set






            1              up a meeting for me with this grant writer


            2              and yourself as Chair of the Public Safety


            3              Committee because there are a few questions


            4              I would like to ask her myself?


            5                      MR. COURTRIGHT: And maybe that would


            6              be a good idea then there would be no


            7              miscommunication.  I tried to call everyone.


            8              I did talk to Judy and Bob was there, I


            9              talked to you, Sherry.  I didn't get a


           10              chance to talk to you.  Yeah, I think she


           11              is -- would be more than willing to speak


           12              with you, I'll ask if --


           13                      MS. EVANS: Could you set that up for


           14              me?


           15                      MR. COURTRIGHT: When you would be


           16              available and I would call her and get the


           17              story firsthand.


           18                      MS. EVANS: Okay.


           19                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I just know there


           20              are people from public, that's why I got


           21              people from the public asking questions and


           22              I think Bob would agree with me we did not


           23              want to look like we were doing anything


           24              wrong.


           25                      MS. EVANS: But we did nothing wrong.






            1                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Right, we didn't.


            2                      MS. EVANS: We had no part in this.


            3                      MR. COURTRIGHT: We were unaware of


            4              this, and that's one of the great concerns


            5              that we had --


            6                      MS. EVANS: I'm just looking to get


            7              to the bottom of it and to --


            8                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Absolutely.


            9                      MS. EVANS: -- find out where all of


           10              the money is or how the money has been


           11              dispersed and --


           12                      MS. FANUCCI: We did get that.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF: Can I -- the 2000 -- the


           14              2008 JAG money was approved.  There has --


           15              it has to the been drawn upon as of yet, so


           16              there is no money -- it's still --


           17                      MS. EVANS: Sits somewhere.  Do you


           18              know where?


           19                      MR. MCGOFF: It's still with the


           20              Department of Justice.  There has been no


           21              money -- she has not drawn down that amount


           22              from 2008.


           23                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  She needs to start


           24              the --


           25                      MS. EVANS: We received a grant, the






            1              Justice Department maintains those funds and


            2              as we need them they are --


            3                      MS. GATELLI:  Drawn now.


            4                      MS. EVANS: -- applied for or drawn


            5              down.


            6                      MR. MCGOFF: Right.


            7                      MS. EVANS: And we are saying that in


            8              a whole year the police department didn't


            9              need to use those funds for any reason?


           10              That doesn't seem to hold water.


           11                      MR. MCGOFF: I'm telling -- you know


           12              what, I don't know whether they needed it or


           13              not.  That money has -- and this is from the


           14              grant writer since she is the one that draws


           15              the funds --


           16                      MS. EVANS: Right.


           17                      MR. MCGOFF:  She said that there has


           18              been no money drawn from that 2008.


           19                      MS. EVANS: Well, that's certainly


           20              a--


           21                      MR. MCGOFF: Can I also add to this,


           22              that when it was discovered that this


           23              letter -- the letter that Mr. Courtright


           24              read, when it was discovered that that was


           25              part of the application a retraction was






            1              sent, communication from the grant writer


            2              and through Chief Elliott's Office was sent


            3              to the Department of Justice.  The


            4              Department of Justice responded saying


            5              basically that fine, procedural error, there


            6              was no problem, that it should be presented


            7              to council and --


            8                      MS. EVANS: They were aware we have


            9              done this for two consecutive years?


           10                      MR. MCGOFF: Yes.


           11                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  There should be two


           12              letters sent.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF: For want of a better


           14              term, there was a letter of retraction and


           15              it did say it was 2008-2009 and the


           16              Department of Justice simply said, you know,


           17              follow through, make sure it goes to council


           18              like there was no -- so we did not lose any


           19              funds.  There is no recriminations, you


           20              know, through the Justice Department.  As


           21              far as the Justice Department is concerned


           22              the situation has been rectified so, that


           23              you know, that part of it is, I'm going to


           24              say kind of no harm, no foul type-thing.


           25              Now, I understand your concern over the






            1              procedural part of it, but I want --


            2                      MS. EVANS: Well, the procedural part


            3              of it in addition to the fact that monies,


            4              let us say, approved by the Justice


            5              Department remain untouched for this amount


            6              of time had we need Scranton police officers


            7              on the street and they need better equipment


            8              and we are not touching a grant that was


            9              approved for the 2008 year.


           10                      MS. FANUCCI: There is a lot of


           11              reasons for that though, because when we


           12              draw federal funds and funds from the state


           13              we are only allowed to max out a certain


           14              percentage per yea, so just because we were


           15              approved doesn't mean that you're able to


           16              take it out, we might have been using it in


           17              other areas, for instance, they are only


           18              certain amount of percentage, in fact, you


           19              should write a letter to Stu, maybe Kay can


           20              write a letter to Stu, find out what the


           21              reason for funding not being used was, and


           22              how much we are allowed percentagewise to


           23              draw on from the federal government and also


           24              from the state for the police officers


           25              yearly.  That might clear a lot of that up






            1              because I know -- the same thing happens


            2              from the state with us.  We can only do so


            3              much with this CDBG or want to use for them


            4              or any of the cops on the street or --


            5                      MS. EVANS: I see what you are saying


            6              and how that can --


            7                      MS. FANUCCI: Right, but that's what


            8              I mean --


            9                      MS. EVANS: And maybe if we --


           10                      MS. FANUCCI: --if you understand


           11              that if get from them at your different


           12              levels you can't use them because you


           13              already used how many --


           14                      MS. EVANS: And will the Justice


           15              Department continue to grant additional


           16              funding when they are in possession of


           17              information that says, "You have not used a


           18              penny of what was granted to you the prior


           19              year because you were unable to do so,


           20              "because in effect I guess what we're saying


           21              is we are overfunded.


           22                      MS. FANUCCI: No, no, no.


           23                      MS. EVANS: According to the --


           24              according to the formulas that happened --


           25                      (Whereupon council members began






            1              speaking on top of on another.)


            2                      MR. COURTRIGHT: One more thing


            3              because I know we off track here, there is


            4              some paperwork from the council and -- I


            5              think one thing is that I don't know how we


            6              would have used the money because there was


            7              not a special city account opened to put it


            8              into, right, we always make special city


            9              account so there has been no legislation.


           10              There is no legislation asking us to open a


           11              special city council so how could we have


           12              drawn down on it, so that's number one.


           13                      But when I sat this there and asked


           14              Stu there was confusion because there are


           15              checks being written and I'm telling you


           16              there is a pile of stuff here, a pile of


           17              stuff here.  And maybe just the answer is to


           18              have this meeting with this young lady and


           19              speak to her and then maybe can you list the


           20              questions.


           21                      MS. EVANS: Yes.


           22                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Because every time


           23              we speak I learn something new and --


           24                      MS. EVANS: Well, I would like the


           25              opportunity I think just to clarify --






            1                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I'll call her


            2              tomorrow and see --


            3                      MS. EVANS: -- for myself that I take


            4              it seriously anyway.


            5                      MR. MCGOFF:  Just as an addendum,


            6              the stenographer was having a difficult time


            7              when were are talking at the same time if we


            8              could have a little bit of sympathy for her


            9              plight.


           10                      MS. GATELLI: I think you should


           11              schedule her so we can all be there.


           12                      MS. FANUCCI: Yeah.


           13                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Okay.


           14                      MS. GATELLI: If she should come to a


           15              caucus.


           16                      MS. EVANS: If she could attend the


           17              public caucus.  But, Mr. Courtright, I would


           18              still like to continue with --


           19                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I'll give her a


           20              call.


           21                      MS. EVANS: I'll come into a meeting


           22              prior to next week.


           23                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  I go to be honest


           24              with you, I'm sorry, I was told, I don't


           25              know how comfortable she would be being on






            1              TV.  She was rather nervous when we met with


            2              her.


            3                      MS. GATELLI: We can meet in the


            4              office.  It doesn't have to be on the TV.


            5                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Again, I just want


            6              to say, this girl works full-time for the


            7              county, she is only part-time for us, and I


            8              don't want to see her get a bad wrap.


            9                      MS. EVANS: Mr. Courtright, we have a


           10              grant writer.  The city employs a grant


           11              writer, why was our grant writer not


           12              involved in this process.  It would seem --


           13              if that individual had been -- maybe none of


           14              this would have happened because there


           15              aren't the actual city procedures in the


           16              processes, so --


           17                      MR. COURTRIGHT: You are right.  You


           18              right.


           19                      MR. MCGOFF: May I -- on this one, at


           20              least in 2009, and I won't speak for the


           21              2008 because I don't know, but the 2009


           22              application also included two other -- two


           23              or three other municipalities.


           24                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Right.  This is the


           25              first one.






            1                      MR. MCGOFF: So it was more of a


            2              countywide or -- it was outside of the City


            3              of Scranton so that it was done through the


            4              grant writer in the county.  I know that


            5              from the 2009, again, I can't speak for the


            6              2008.


            7                      MS. EVANS: Oh, okay.  Thank you.


            8                      MR. MCGOFF: All right.


            9                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I'll set it up.


           10                      MS. EVANS: Thank you.


           11                      MR. MCGOFF: Sorry for the --


           12                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  I apologize, I just


           13              wanted to get that out there.


           14                      MR. MCGOFF: Citizens' participation.


           15              Andy Sbaraglia.


           16                      MR. SBARAGLIA: Andy Sbaraglia,


           17              citizen of Scranton, fellow Scrantonians.


           18              There is two articles in the Times that


           19              affects your pocketbook.  We got a man in


           20              charge of the DCED is writing up this


           21              revised Recovery Plan, but some of the


           22              things that we don't know what's in it, but


           23              they did put two articles in the paper what


           24              this man was thinking.  It proposes


           25              expanding the business payroll tax to






            1              nonprofits, one thing or increasing, this is


            2              us, our tax, our 52 tax, the $52 we pay in


            3              tax an hour from people working in the city


            4              to $145.  This is where these man is


            5              thinking, so what's happening is under this


            6              new revised recovery plan, which I was told


            7              we don't get to vote on for some dumb


            8              reason, we should write a new one and we


            9              should put a new one in, but for some reason


           10              we don't get a right to vote on this one.


           11              This one just comes, I don't even know if


           12              you get to vote on it.  I guess we get the


           13              Czar in here and he is going to tell us how


           14              much taxes we to pay and who has to pay it,


           15              but whatever it is people open your eyes.


           16              Open your ears and try to get as much


           17              information as you can out of this Recovery


           18              Plan because it don't come from you.  It


           19              really don't.  It's come out of the paper


           20              and affects everybody's pocketbook in this


           21              city.  What I could say is we are going to


           22              get burned.


           23                      Now, we got another article in here,


           24              which is this is bad, six municipal pension


           25              plans.  I spoke about pension plans maybe






            1              two years ago that were underfunded, and I


            2              guess we are more underfunded now than we


            3              were when I spoke two years ago.  I quoted


            4              something like a loss of 23 million, I


            5              believe, and the point is with this recovery


            6              for this fixed municipal pension plan,


            7              someone has to makeup the pension plans.


            8                      If they decide that we have to keep


            9              this fund at 80 percent, 85 percent, that


           10              means someone has to pay, and who is going


           11              to pay?  Us.  All of us.  All of us in this


           12              city is going to have to pay toward this


           13              pension plan.  Now, if this is only the city


           14              we might be able to take it, but it's also


           15              all of the municipal employees, which is a


           16              whole different ballgame.  I don't know how


           17              they are down, but this is the crux.  If we


           18              get hit trying to bring up all of the state


           19              worker's pension plans up, we might as well


           20              all declare bankruptcy because we won't be


           21              able to afford it, and these are things that


           22              should be brought up to all of the people,


           23              you should have our state representatives


           24              actually come before us and explain to us


           25              what they can do and this.  As you know,






            1              some of them are out of work, we all get


            2              pensions, at least, okay, I got one.  Most


            3              of yous I think got one except


            4              Mr. Courtright I don't know if he has one,


            5              but anyway, we all have to -- we need the


            6              pension, there is no question about it.  The


            7              only question is how much do we have to keep


            8              in reserve for these pensions and that's the


            9              important thing, to get to your state


           10              representatives and you should do it for us.


           11              You should contact Mr. Smith or Kevin Murphy


           12              and ask them to try to get a formula that we


           13              can live with because that's the most


           14              important thing we can do because if we get


           15              hit with this, plus God knows what our


           16              budget is going to be like, who knows.


           17              Maybe sky is the limit, who know.


           18                      Well, I guess I got a few more


           19              minutes, you are about to subordinate


           20              another loan.  You know what I think about


           21              subordination.  I have been saying that for


           22              years and years and years.  All you do is


           23              protect the banks and they definitely need


           24              protection, but the federal government is


           25              helping them all, so I don't know why we






            1              have to protect them, too.  Your duty is to


            2              protect the taxpayers of the city.  We lost


            3              millions of dollars already.  I don't know


            4              if this is a good loan or not a bad loan.


            5              The A-Park building is a nice building, I


            6              always said it, but when the new owner


            7              bought it they kicked out the museum, which


            8              is in our basement.  Thank you.


            9                      MS. EVANS: Mr. Sbaraglia, can I see


           10              that article that you reading from for a


           11              moment, please?


           12                      MR. SBARAGLIA: You mind if I give it


           13              to her?


           14                      MR. MCGOFF: Please.


           15                      MR. SBARAGLIA: You can have both of


           16              them if you want.


           17                      MR. MCGOFF: Ozzie Quinn.


           18                      MR. QUINN:  Ozzie Quinn, Taxpayers'


           19              Association.  First of all, the Taxpayers'


           20              Association submitted an application for the


           21              tenth year Community Development Block Grant


           22              for $7,000 for kids for swim, and I saw the


           23              ones that came over from OECD and their


           24              recommendation and it wasn't included, okay?


           25              I would appreciate it if you would look at






            1              it.  I looked at the Scranton School


            2              District numbers and there is 5,200 families


            3              that would be able to benefit from this here


            4              program.  Would someone please consider


            5              looking at this here?


            6                      MS. EVANS:  We will doing just that


            7              --


            8                      MR. QUINN: Thank you very much.


            9                      MS. EVANS: -- Mr. Quinn, in fact,


           10              our president tonight asked after tonight's


           11              introduction of the proposed CDBG grants


           12              that each council member would go through


           13              very carefully those that have been selected


           14              by the administration versus all of the


           15              applicants.


           16                      MS. FANUCCI: Mrs. Evans, I just want


           17              to say it's here.  It is here.  It's part of


           18              our packet.  So it's on our list.


           19                      MS. EVANS: That's what I was saying


           20              to you.


           21                      MR. QUINN:  It's what?


           22                      MS. FANUCCI: It is -- the


           23              application it is part of our packet, so it


           24              is still active.


           25                      MR. QUINN:  Yeah, but our






            1              application is not on there.


            2                      MS. FANUCCI: These are the


            3              applications and yours is part of the


            4              application process, so it is here.


            5                      MS. EVANS: Yes, but what he is


            6              saying --


            7                      MS. FANUCCI: We can still vote on it


            8              for him.


            9                      MS. EVANS: Yes, it doesn't matter --


           10                      MS. FANUCCI: We can still vote on


           11              it.


           12                      MS. EVANS: You were included,


           13              indeed, in that the applicants, but between


           14              now and final passage of this legislation


           15              council will meet and will go over the list


           16              presented by the administration, make


           17              deletions, additions, in other words, I


           18              would be very hesitant to say that what you


           19              see on tonight's agenda is what the final


           20              passage will include.  There will be changes


           21              to this made by council I'm sure.


           22                      MR. QUINN:  I appreciate that.


           23                      MS. EVANS: And I will certainly


           24              consider the Kids Swim Free Program.  I have


           25              appreciated your efforts all of these years






            1              and I do believe it should be part of the


            2              package.


            3                      MR. QUINN: Thank you very much.  The


            4              other thing is I wanted to discuss the fact


            5              that 5-i in regard to that subordination.


            6              You know, Mrs. Fanucci and Mrs. Gatelli, you


            7              know, I'm not going to say I gotcha, but I


            8              gotcha.  You said here publically, okay,


            9              that there wasn't any -- everybody was up


           10              the snuff in regards to business loans and


           11              over since the recess we come up with four


           12              or five that have been back two years


           13              delinquent, 700 and some thousand dollars


           14              total.  Now, you people should have known


           15              that.


           16                      MS. FANUCCI: Actually, I believe I


           17              did say that Whistles was one, but they did


           18              catch up, so that's not true so there was


           19              one.  I do agree that all indications in the


           20              letters we got stated otherwise so --


           21                      MR. QUINN:  Well, you may have been


           22              right on Whistle's, I don't know.


           23                      MS. FANUCCI:  We all asked together


           24              actually.  We sent a letter every time as a


           25              body, three times, so we were giving the






            1              information we were provided with.


            2                      MR. QUINN: You may be right on that


            3              Whistle's, but I'm just saying that there is


            4              four properties that's causing $700,000,


            5              that's two years and you as the head of the


            6              CDBG should have been on top of that.


            7                      Now, I want to know, give me an


            8              explanation why is this bank getting the


            9              money and why is the taxpayers again going


           10              to be left out?  Can somebody explain that


           11              on this?


           12                      MS. EVANS: I can give you a brief


           13              run down on -- you are addressing on what's


           14              tonight's legislation?


           15                      MR. QUINN: Yes, please.


           16                      MS. EVANS: Originally OECD and city


           17              council had approved a business loan for


           18              this entity for $250,000.  It was a


           19              mortgage, the city holds that mortgage.  At


           20              the same time this business had received a


           21              $500,000 loan from a bank.  Since then I


           22              suppose there if we want to call it


           23              refinancing they have approached a new bank,


           24              they intend to pay off in full their loan


           25              with the first bank and in addition to that






            1              they are going to borrow $300,000 above and


            2              beyond the $500,000.  So what had once been


            3              $500,000 with bank one will now become


            4              $800,000 with bank two.  The $250,000, I


            5              think it might have been a commercial


            6              revolving business loan through OECD, still


            7              stands, and the city, of course, takes a


            8              second position behind the bank in terms of


            9              repayment.  So it is, you know, just as an


           10              aside, it is my belief that the city should


           11              be paid for it's loan just as the bank is


           12              being paid for it's loan rather than our


           13              being carried over endlessly and placed in


           14              second and sometimes, not in this event, but


           15              sometimes third positions on repayment


           16              because, as we can see, the city has been


           17              losing miserably on a number of these loans


           18              at that were not identified to city council.


           19              So actually I'm going to I think be asking


           20              under my motions that this piece of


           21              legislation is tabled.


           22                      MR. QUINN:  Thank you, I appreciate


           23              that.  And I just want to mention that there


           24              is going to be a sale of property taxes by


           25              the county September 21 and there is 600






            1              from the city.  Now, a property owner


            2              attached -- contacted me regarding the civil


            3              complaint -- could I have a couple -- Mrs.


            4              Evans, you spoke, could I have a final say?


            5              A civil complaint was filed and ruled on by


            6              the SRA as the assignee and the NCC


            7              Abrahamsen, who is the lawyer, the person


            8              owes $1,584.07 and they are asking for a


            9              judgment of $4,586.21.  That means that NCC


           10              is going to get a profit of $3,214.


           11                      MS. EVANS: Exactly.


           12                      MR. MCGOFF: Mr. Quinn --


           13                      MR. QUINN: Now, I called the other


           14              district justices and magistrates -- she


           15              gave me time.


           16                      MS. EVANS: Yes, I told him because I


           17              devoured his time.


           18                      MR. MCGOFF: Well --


           19                      MR. QUINN:  I called them up and


           20              they told me that they were also inundated


           21              by complaints from the city for collecting


           22              taxes.  Now, we are not dealing with bricks


           23              and mortar here, we are dealing with people.


           24              You know, you understand the stress that


           25              these people are under or don't you?






            1                      MS. EVANS: I do.


            2                      MR. QUINN:  I know you do.  You


            3              know, and Mr. Courtright --


            4                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Yes.


            5                      MR. QUINN: I know you didn't vote


            6              for NCC, did you?


            7                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  I'm sorry, I didn't


            8              hear you.


            9                      MR. QUINN: Did you vote for NCC?


           10                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  For these fees?


           11                      MR. QUINN:  Yeah.


           12                      MR. COURTRIGHT: No.


           13                      MS. FANUCCI: I did.


           14                      MR. QUINN:  This is ridiculous, you


           15              know.  This is utterly ridiculous, and how


           16              you can let this go on.  Mr. McGoff, you


           17              should take the bull by the horns and do


           18              something about it.  Don't you have any


           19              empathy?  Not compassion, they don't want


           20              compassion, they want empathy.  Now, they


           21              are getting hit double whammy from the


           22              county and the city.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF: Mr. Quinn, thank you.


           24                      MR. QUINN:  You know, some people, I


           25              agree, some people should pay their taxes,






            1              but there is people out there that are


            2              hurting.  Thank you.


            3                      MR. MCGOFF: Les Spindler.


            4                      MR. SPINDLER:  Good evening,


            5              Council, Les Spindler.  Well, I was going to


            6              speak about Chief Elliott, but he was low on


            7              my list of priorities tonight, but he moved


            8              right to number one after what


            9              Mr. Courtright said tonight.  It just goes


           10              to prove what I've been saying and what a


           11              lot of other people have been saying, we


           12              have an incompetent police chief.  I brought


           13              it up a long time ago, he is holding back a


           14              report that has the two names of city


           15              employees who stole Gary DiBileo's signs,


           16              he's not doing anything about that, and he


           17              doesn't know how to schedule a national


           18              night out.  Everybody knew it was


           19              August 4th.  I knew, council knew, the Tripp


           20              Park Neighborhood Association knew, he


           21              scheduled it on the wrong night, and this is


           22              the police chief we've got?  No wonder this


           23              city is in shambles.


           24                      Moving on, talked about KOZ's',


           25              since I wasn't here in July I want to read






            1              something from the July 10 Doherty


            2              Newsletter about KOZ's, "What little data


            3              are available suggests that Keystone


            4              Opportunity Zone Program has produced few


            5              jobs and economic development promised by


            6              proponents and participants the report


            7              reveals."


            8                      And this is contrary to what


            9              Mrs. Fanucci, Mr. McGoff and Mrs. Gatelli


           10              feel and we have said it all along the KOZ's


           11              are a waste and you people just keep voting


           12              for them.


           13                      Next thing, Holy Cross.  A Dioceses


           14              that's always complaining they need money


           15              and they turned down a $25,000 offer from


           16              Bob Bolus.  Well, to me there is more than


           17              meets the eye with this.  I think there is a


           18              deal being made between the city and the


           19              Diocese, just like the deal that was made


           20              for the Genesis Wildlife Center between the


           21              city and Lackawanna College, so I don't


           22              think you should pass this legislation, it's


           23              not right.


           24                      MS. GATELLI: Mr. Spindler, you


           25              weren't here before, but we are voting






            1              against that.  Mr. McGoff, we had a meeting


            2              beforehand and --


            3                      MR. SPINDLER: Okay.  And another


            4              thing, Mr. McGoff say on the July 28 meeting


            5              where the people been for four years.  Well,


            6              they weren't threatening to demolish it for


            7              four years, Mr. McGoff, they were just


            8              threatening to demolish it now.  That's why


            9              nobody was here for the last four years.


           10                      On August 2 Channel 16 reported a


           11              dumpster filled in the alley out back with


           12              documents with people social security


           13              numbers and other classified information and


           14              Ray Hayes says, "We are learning from our


           15              mistakes."


           16                      Well, obviously, they didn't because


           17              Ann Marie Stulgis found a load of index


           18              cards years ago with social security numbers


           19              on it and they didn't learn from that


           20              mistake.  So, you know, this city


           21              administration is just a joke.  Oh, and


           22              Chris Doherty blamed the summer help.  Well,


           23              wasn't the summer help supervised or did


           24              they just go in the room and throw


           25              everything out on their own?






            1                      Okay, on what Ozzie said.  I


            2              remember specifically not long ago Mrs.


            3              Gatelli said all the loans are up-to-date.


            4              Well, here is a headline from the Doherty


            5              Newsletter: Brannigan's tab $557,000.  The


            6              city is getting stuck on that, and right


            7              after that Michael's Luxury Eyewear and


            8              Vidas Tapas Bar also that they owe $214,000.


            9              So where is the city going to get this


           10              money?  We are a distressed city and you


           11              three give out loans like you are giving out


           12              candy, but what do you do for the taxpayers?


           13              You just screw the taxpayers over.  You vote


           14              for fees and penalties so people lose their


           15              houses, you vote for a 25 percent tax hike


           16              and yet you vote for these loans for all of


           17              these millionaires.  You should -- you three


           18              are a disgrace.


           19                      Next on the list.  Again, in the


           20              Doherty Newsletter", Doherty, Act 47 helps


           21              city.  Chris Doherty went to Reading and he


           22              is giving them financial advice we are over


           23              $250 million in long-term debt and he is


           24              giving financial advice?  What a joke.


           25              That's like having an arsonist give advice






            1              to a fire safety class.


            2                      Moving on --


            3                      MS. GATELLI:  He's the star tonight.


            4                      MR. SPINDLER: Okay moving on.


            5                      MS. GATELLI: You are going to be on


            6              YouTube now, Les.


            7                      MR. SPINDLER: On a serious note,


            8              myself and other people have come here for


            9              years saying there is gangs in this city,


           10              Chief Elliott and Chris Doherty denied it.


           11              It took a murder on State Road for Chris


           12              Doherty to admit there is gangs in the city,


           13              and two of these people came from the high


           14              school my daughter is going to which scares


           15              me to death.  Who knows if there is not more


           16              in that school.


           17                      Can I continue this?  Oh, there is


           18              article in the paper, the mayor is putting


           19              more police officers at the high school


           20              games and he says we are being proactive.


           21              No mayor, putting more cops the high school


           22              games isn't being proactive, proactive would


           23              have been if you'd listened to what we said


           24              three or four years ago and maybe this


           25              murder could have been prevented, and I have






            1              more but I'll continue on next week.  Thank


            2              you.


            3                      MR. MCGOFF: Bob Bolus.


            4                      MR. BOLUS:  Good evening, Council,


            5              welcome back.  Bob Bolus.  I guess we are


            6              going to talk about 7-A, so the council I


            7              believe is fully aware I had sent a fax that


            8              we raised our offer on Holy Cross from


            9              $25,000 to $35,000.  People said why did you


           10              bother to do that?  What is our history and


           11              our heritage in this city worth?  We can't


           12              put a dollar sign on it.  I don't believe


           13              anybody with any common sense seeing our


           14              city and where we are going will want to


           15              destroy and continue to destroy places that


           16              are house of worships or gateways to the


           17              city.  Gateway churches where people


           18              actually starting building around in this


           19              city and in communities nationally.


           20                      The Diocese sits here and cries,


           21              they are broke, they have no money, we can't


           22              do this and do that, but they want us to be


           23              their scapegoats.  Scrantonians to be their


           24              scapegoat to take over a church.  Why?


           25              Because their fiscal mismanagement of their






            1              own funds.  They can't run their churches


            2              properly, they don't know what to do with


            3              their money, yet the Roman Catholic Churches


            4              is one of the richest businesses in the


            5              world starting from Rome across.


            6                      Why should we take this church and


            7              allow our heritage to be torn down and make


            8              a blacktop parking lot to satisfy a few?  To


            9              take over and worry about a basketball team


           10              the season.  There is parking down the


           11              street at the old tennis courts that are


           12              part of the University or whatever they may


           13              have been.  Give them that to park.  They


           14              can run up and down the court for hours,


           15              they can't walk a half a block to park the


           16              car?  I think it's absurd.


           17                      My intent is to keep this church,


           18              this facility, in it's entirety as it is


           19              today, to restore it.  Mr. McGoff, you made


           20              comments in the Scranton Times, oh, it's


           21              going to cost this or tear it down might be


           22              feasible.  It's not your problem.  It's my


           23              problem or it's whoever's problem with the


           24              Diocese that buys it.  We are going to put


           25              it on the taxrolls.  We not going to give it






            1              a free parking lot, if you are going to do


            2              that for these people down there then how


            3              about we have one up on East Mountain and


            4              somewhere else in the city, and South Side


            5              and North Scranton, we just start making


            6              free parking lots out of every blighted


            7              parking lot in this city.


            8                      And what determines blight?  What


            9              determines how it gets from here to there


           10              ahead of everybody else.  How does it jump


           11              the line?  I would like to know that,


           12              please.  There is none.  There is no common


           13              sense behind it.  You cannot take burned out


           14              buildings that have been sitting for years


           15              that should have been torn down, put up for


           16              auction, with the contingency you buy it you


           17              must build on it.  You put it on the


           18              taxrolls.  It's about making money in this


           19              city.


           20                      Not the nonprofits who give nothing


           21              like the University, you know, sure they


           22              give great educations, but they don't pay


           23              their fair share.  All of them.  I don't


           24              care if it's a church, rectory, it should


           25              pay taxes because it's not a house of






            1              worship.  These are the things that we are


            2              missing here and we are missing it big.


            3                      We lost how much from Molly


            4              Brannigan's and how much more with all of


            5              the other hundreds or hundreds and millions


            6              of dollars?  We should never take a second


            7              position to anyone.  We should always be


            8              first.  They go down, we get paid, and the


            9              banks don't want to do business with them


           10              then pay us off and give them 100 percent of


           11              their money.  We are their scapegoats and


           12              it's got to stop.  You got to confirm this


           13              is a business.  I don't know care how you


           14              look at it.


           15                      You must take a hardcore look at


           16              this, and tonight I'm asking you, this


           17              contract is probably null and void because


           18              to the benefits of some of us Catholics


           19              Martino is no longer in charge, and I


           20              applaud that, because I have seen the


           21              Catholic church destroying the house of


           22              worship where people were baptized, they


           23              grew up in, they were married in and they


           24              died and were buried in now destroyed.  We


           25              can't continue to do this.  Let them run






            1              their own house.  They're big boys and


            2              girls, let them pay their fair share.  Not a


            3              dollar from the City of Scranton to pull


            4              them out of the fire.  I'm asking tonight


            5              that this be tabled, put on the back burner,


            6              because Martino is no longer involved.  He


            7              signed this contract, the solicitor probably


            8              would be better suited for this, but I


            9              believe the contract is now null and void


           10              because there is new head of the Diocese and


           11              he needs that opportunity.  We sent him a


           12              letter and we addressed it to him and asking


           13              him now to pay attention to this because


           14              Martino isn't here, and I believe Mr. Minora


           15              would agree with me that contract is now


           16              null and void.


           17                      MS. GATELLI: Mr. Bolus, I don't know


           18              if you heard me tell Mr. Spindler, but we


           19              discussed this in caucus with the


           20              Architectural Heritage Association and we


           21              have all agreed that we are voting "no."


           22                      We aren't going to table it, we are


           23              voting "no."


           24                      MS. BOLUS: I heard that,


           25              Mrs. Gatelli, but I want to be here tonight,






            1              I took the time to come here, I wanted this


            2              on the record, I want the sincerity of what


            3              we are saying and what the Heritage


            4              Association is saying and council and


            5              everybody in the city to understanding.  We


            6              are Scrantonians and that's what comes


            7              first.  Not greed or misconceptions and


            8              little ideas and backdoor deals.  It has to


            9              stop and stop now, and I thank you for your


           10              consideration.  I'm sure everybody else


           11              will, too.


           12                      MS. GATELLI: I hope you are around


           13              when St. Francis is closed --


           14                      MR. BOLUS:  We'll buy them all.  It


           15              doesn't make a difference.  You could have


           16              Sister Gatelli, Sister Fanucci, Reverend --


           17                      MR. MCGOFF: And Bishop Bolus.  Jean


           18              Suetta.  Sorry.  I'm sorry, Fay Franus.  My


           19              apologies.


           20                      MS. FRANUS:  Fay Franus.  I would


           21              like to applaud you for voting "no" for Holy


           22              Cross Church, but one thing, Mr. McGoff, I


           23              saw who you mentioned many times that the


           24              neighbors in Bellevue don't mind this


           25              parking lot.  I lived in Bellevue all my






            1              life, the neighbors, over 30 of them that I


            2              spoke with, do not want a parking lot there


            3              and they very much so object.  I don't know


            4              who you spoke to, I'd love to know the


            5              names, because I don't know one person that


            6              wanted that torn down.  Not one.  So you


            7              don't speak for the neighbors in Bellevue.


            8                      Another thing, Mr. Courtright, was


            9              there a letter from the Department of


           10              Justice saying basically this is an


           11              oversight and they are just going to let


           12              this go?


           13                      MR. COURTRIGHT: They acknowledged a


           14              letter from the city, they had a set of two,


           15              one from 2008 and one from 2009 telling the


           16              City of Scranton to correct the letters that


           17              were sent erroneously or in error.


           18                      MS. FRANUS:  Well, I definitely feel


           19              there should be an investigation because I


           20              believe from what I understand there was


           21              grants from 2002 up until now that Chief


           22              Elliott may have applied for -- or whoever


           23              the police chief might have been by then,


           24              but I think there should be an investigation


           25              of all of the grants that were asked for and






            1              did they come in front of council for


            2              approval.


            3                      MR. COURTRIGHT: They are the only


            4              two I'm aware of.


            5                      MS. FRANUS:  Pardon me?  No, I'm not


            6              talking about -- maybe you are only aware of


            7              two years, I'm saying check back and see


            8              exactly how many grants --


            9                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I can do that.


           10                      MS. FRANUS:  How many grants went in


           11              front of the Justice and got approval, even


           12              received the money without council's


           13              approval.  It might take some digging, but


           14              it's certainly worth checking into.  I'd


           15              like to know if Chief Elliott deliberately


           16              said this without council's approval


           17              knowing, fully knowing that council didn't


           18              approve this.  That's what I would like to


           19              know.


           20                      MR. COURTRIGHT: All right.  I will


           21              absolutely check that.


           22                      MS. FRANUS:  And I hope that you


           23              have a public meeting with the person, the


           24              grant writer.


           25                      MR. COURTRIGHT: My fear is -- I just






            1              told her time for a second.  My fear is that


            2              when this girl met with us, right, I don't


            3              want to point any fingers, I think she was


            4              mislead and I wouldn't want her to be


            5              persecuted for something that she really


            6              didn't do --


            7                      MS. FRANUS:  Bill, excuse me.  I


            8              don't mean for the people to speak with her,


            9              I just mean for the public to be in


           10              attendance like a caucus or anything.  I


           11              don't mean for the public to ask questions I


           12              just meant the public to be there.


           13                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I will ask for Mrs.


           14              Evans' meeting, I will ask for a meeting


           15              with all of us.


           16                      MS. FRANUS:  Because if there is


           17              nothing to hide there is not a question that


           18              could be asked to her that she shouldn't


           19              be --


           20                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I agree.


           21                      MS. FRANUS:  Like I said, this is


           22              very important, just not 2008-2009.


           23                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Do you know, Fay,


           24              what you said, I told everybody at the


           25              meetings, this is exactly what would happen






            1              and this is exactly what is happening.  The


            2              people want to know and they have every


            3              right to know.


            4                      MS. FRANUS:  We have a right to


            5              know.


            6                      MR. COURTRIGHT: They have every


            7              right to know.


            8                      MS. FRANUS: And maybe somebody will


            9              squirm and they do not want to answer the


           10              questions, but we have a right to know.


           11                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Yes, you do.


           12                      MS. FRANUS:  And we also want to


           13              know how many of these grants did not come


           14              in front of city council for approval and


           15              who authorized it and I don't think this is


           16              just an oversight.


           17                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  I will absolutely


           18              check.  I will go back to 2002.


           19                      MS. FRANUS:  Yes, please.  Like I


           20              said, it might take some digging to go over


           21              all of the minutes, but --


           22                      MR. COURTRIGHT: No, I'll do it.  I


           23              think you are 100 percent --


           24                      MS. FRANUS:  I'd like to know how


           25              many grants, what are the amounts, what were






            1              though for and how many came in front of


            2              council for approval and how many did not


            3              come in front of council for approval and


            4              how much money was given to this police


            5              department.  Thank you very much.


            6                      MR. COURTRIGHT: You are welcome.


            7                      MR. MCGOFF:  Jean Suetta.


            8                      MS. SUETTA: Are you sure?


            9                      MR. MCGOFF: I'll double-check it.


           10                      MS. SUETTA: I came spiffy, huh?  You


           11              know how far I chased him for them?


           12                      MS. FANUCCI: Nice.


           13                      MS. SUETTA: Jean Suetta.


           14                      MS. FANUCCI: I'm going to tell her


           15              you said that.


           16                      MS. SUETTA: What did he say?


           17                      MS. FANUCCI: He said nice legs.


           18                      MS. SUETTA: Nice.  I am nicey nice.


           19              I just got a couple of questions:  One,


           20              whatever happened to the lighted ballfield


           21              for our softball players?


           22                      MS. FANUCCI: We don't know.


           23                      MS. SUETTA:  Is there a grant coming


           24              for that?


           25                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I don't know.






            1                      MS. SUETTA:  And you know this lady


            2              that was mislead, get the jackass that


            3              mislead her here.


            4                      MS. FANUCCI: We can't curse.


            5                      MS. SUETTA: I'm not cursing.  That's


            6              an animal or a donkey.  Get the donkey down


            7              here, all right?  I have to say hello to


            8              Ziggy Levandowski.  I met him in the


            9              hospital, we were getting tests.  Hi, Zig, I


           10              hope you are feeling better.  Thank you very


           11              much.  You don't know who he is.


           12                      The weeds.  The jungle is still on


           13              Greenridge Street.


           14                      MR. COURTRIGHT: You're right.


           15                      MS. FANUCCI: You are right.  I saw


           16              it the other day.


           17                      MS. SUETTA: I know.  Are they


           18              getting fined?


           19                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Didn't they cut a


           20              little bit?


           21                      MS. FANUCCI: They did a little bit


           22              in the beginning, but that was right in the


           23              beginning.


           24                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  They did do


           25              something way back.






            1                      MS. SUETTA: Look it, even Corrugated


            2              Box is letting their place go to hell now.


            3                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Who?


            4                      MS. SUETTA: Corrugated Box.


            5                      MS. FANUCCI:  That's new though.


            6              You never told us that before.


            7                      MS. SUETTA: No, today, yeah.  Now,


            8              my house was robbed Sunday.


            9                      MS. FANUCCI: No, it wasn't.


           10                      MS. SUETTA:  Yes, it was.  Now I'm a


           11              victim.  He better start giving our cops


           12              some kind of help because we got hooligans


           13              our neighborhood.  You can't say nothing


           14              to them.  If you do, the one called me


           15              something.  You want to tell me what he


           16              called you?


           17                      MR. COURTRIGHT: No.  No.  Please


           18              don't.


           19                      MS. SUETTA: Twenty years ago I would


           20              have caught him on that skateboard.  I


           21              couldn't catch him, but if I catch them I


           22              can't hit them anyway because they are 14


           23              and 15 years old.  All my life my doors went


           24              open, that's how crazy.  I got three dogs


           25              and a cat and they robbed my house.






            1              Nothing?


            2                      MS. FANUCCI: Sorry.


            3                      MS. SUETTA: They invaded my privacy,


            4              you know?  I'm investing I.  Got a couple of


            5              the banks looking -- a couple of the


            6              changers checking their videos, and God


            7              forbid if I find out, you know?  Two days I


            8              ain't slept.  It's no fun when somebody goes


            9              in your house and you are not there, and I


           10              have three dogs.  They ain't afraid of


           11              nothing, you know?  And I had -- they took a


           12              jug of money, a gallon jug of money, one of


           13              those pretzel ones, those big one,


           14              three-quarters full.  How they got it out of


           15              the house I don't know, but they did it on a


           16              Sunday, broad daylight.  I was gone from 1


           17              to 5.


           18                      Now, why?  What would I do if they


           19              come in my house and I'm there after bed?


           20              Hit them while they are there don't hit them


           21              with they are leaving; right?  Am I right or


           22              wrong?


           23                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I'm not going to


           24              give any advice, Jean, because if you do


           25              that --






            1                      MS. SUETTA: No.  Well, I'll tell you


            2              what, the officer that came to my house was


            3              very nice, Anthony Redna?  Redner?


            4                      MS. GATELLI: Renda.


            5                      MS. SUETTA: Renda.  Very nice


            6              officer.  He couldn't say how I was holding


            7              my composure, but then I lost it.


            8                      MR. COURTRIGHT: He must have got a


            9              kick out of you.


           10                      MS. SUETTA: Well, then he got a


           11              little scared then after awhile, you know?


           12                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I don't blame him.


           13                      MS. SUETTA:  But that's all.  You


           14              got to get more cops.


           15                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I agree.


           16                      MS. SUETTA: I mean, I got the


           17              scanner on, they are getting run ragged.


           18              All right.  Thanks.


           19                      MR. MCGOFF: Lee Morgan.


           20                      MR. MORGAN: Good evening, Council.


           21              The first thing I have here is I think that


           22              the city, council and the mayor should


           23              consider turning over the city's pension


           24              plan to the state.  We have wrestled with


           25              this demon many times, and to be honest with






            1              you, I don't know see how the City of


            2              Scranton is ever going to meet the


            3              obligations we are going to have with that


            4              pension plan.  I mean, we keep talking about


            5              it and councils have changed, administrators


            6              have changed, it's been millions off dollars


            7              short, and my personal opinion is that


            8              Mellon Bank in the beginning when I first


            9              came to council a long time ago may have


           10              been doing a fairly good job, but to be


           11              honest with you all of the pensions are just


           12              collapsing and when we look at the city and


           13              the amount of pressure that the residents


           14              are under, I don't see any possible way that


           15              the residents should keep bleeding them the


           16              way they are being bled.


           17                      I really think it's time for


           18              leadership in this council.  I'm wondering


           19              has council ever sat down with Austin Burke


           20              and maybe considered a plan for the Scranton


           21              Lace building that Mr. Boscov owns?  I have


           22              had an opportunity to speak to him and the


           23              developer about green technology jobs when


           24              the KOZ's were being killed by the Scranton


           25              School District, and believe me that was a






            1              great thing for the city.


            2                      You know, I just -- I had to leave


            3              here before, I mean, I just couldn't sit


            4              here because I sit here week after week and


            5              I watch politics spin completely out of


            6              control and everybody wants the upper hand


            7              in politics, but the people in this city


            8              don't have the upper hand because this city


            9              has been so mismanaged that it's beyond


           10              belief, and council has the obligation to do


           11              investigations and in my opinion it's just


           12              not happening, and I don't know if it's ever


           13              going to happen.  We have cashed out


           14              blighted properties all over the city.  We


           15              have tore a lot of them down, we don't even


           16              maintain the lots they are on.  After we


           17              ripped the property down who is maintaining


           18              those lots?  Who is doing anything?  Nobody


           19              is doing anything.


           20                      Today a lot of people came here I


           21              think with the focus of the Scranton Times


           22              put on it that what was happening the Holy


           23              Cross was the most important issue in this


           24              city.  The most important issue in this city


           25              is the survival of the city itself and it's






            1              residents.  Unemployment is 17 percent.  I


            2              mean, when you look at all of the numbers,


            3              the discouraged workers that stop looking,


            4              and my question for this council is do you


            5              have the answers?  Because you know


            6              something, I think everybody should -- I


            7              appreciate anybody who runs for a public


            8              office even, Mrs. Gatelli, there is talk you


            9              may run a write-in, and you know what?  I


           10              think you should.  And, Mrs. Fanucci, if you


           11              feel you should I think you should.  And I


           12              think that any resident in this city who


           13              thinks they should do a write-in should do a


           14              write-in, but we need some solutions to the


           15              problems that we have and we are just not


           16              getting them.  We are playing politics here


           17              with people's lives and it's just not right.


           18              Thank you.


           19                      MR. MCGOFF: Jim Talerico.


           20                      MR. TALERICO: Good evening, Council


           21              members.  My name is Jim Talerico.  I want


           22              to speak about the church on the corner of


           23              Fifth and Broadway.  Give you some


           24              background on me, I'm Catholic, I go to


           25              church every Sunday.  I went to Mother






            1              Cabrini School for eight years, which is now


            2              closed.  I was an altar boy and served mass


            3              7:00 every day and at this time you had to


            4              Latin to be an altar boy.  My brother was


            5              the maintenance man at St. Lucy's Church,


            6              his wife sang in the choir, his


            7              mother-in-law was the sacristan, my mother


            8              helper her out once in awhile and I worked


            9              for her on Saturday.  She paid me 50 cents


           10              for the whole day.


           11                      I'm a commercial real estate


           12              appraiser and a real estate broker.  I'm the


           13              President of Scranton Appraisal Group and


           14              Scranton Development Group.  I have been in


           15              real estate for over 40 years, completed


           16              many appraisals on churches in Lackawanna


           17              and Luzerne Counties.  I have spoken with


           18              Bishop Joseph F. Martino, Chancellor James


           19              P. Early, Father Francis Torsick and many


           20              other priests.


           21                      I have completed an appraisal of St.


           22              John's Baptist Catholic Church which is


           23              located right around the corner at 1314-1316


           24              Broadway Street.  We have completed many


           25              detailed narrative commercial reports 50 to






            1              100 pages from the sales comparison


            2              approach, the income approach, and we don't


            3              usually do the cost approach because


            4              churches are very old, but we do estimate


            5              what the land value is.  Most Catholic


            6              churches are masonry structures and are of


            7              Superior quality and in excellent condition.


            8              Most churches are in residential zones which


            9              does not allow commercial uses.


           10                      However, city council and the zoning


           11              board agreed to rezone Catholic churches to


           12              commercial uses, the Diocese can lease these


           13              churches to lend a commercial use such as a


           14              DayCare center, office use, nursing home or


           15              other limited commercial uses.  In this


           16              economic downfall, Scranton Diocese is


           17              losing parishioners and are going to sell


           18              the structure below market value.  If the


           19              Diocese leases the churches for limited


           20              commercial use they can benefit by


           21              collecting additional income and maybe in


           22              the future there will be an increase in


           23              parishioners and the city can collect taxes


           24              on those properties.


           25                      Also, I did a church in Lynburg,






            1              Byzantine Catholic Church of Lynburg located


            2              on Gravel Pond Road.  What they did was they


            3              converted that into a bank a couple of years


            4              ago.


            5                      The church on Fifth and Broadway may


            6              have other uses available, what is the value


            7              of the church as it is now?  I will do an


            8              appraisal on this structure at no charge


            9              just to see what the value is.  I would like


           10              to save the Catholic churches and schools


           11              and offer my experience in appraising


           12              churches.  That's all I have to say.  Thank


           13              you very much.


           14                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.  Charlie


           15              Newcomb.


           16                      MR. NEWCOMB:  Good evening, City


           17              Council.  I am here this evening on two


           18              topics.  One is has become over the last


           19              couple of months a personal mission of mine.


           20              This past April we lost my grandmother, but


           21              the worst part is we had to bury her in the


           22              Washburn Street Cemetery.  Why I say the


           23              worst part is that we had to bury her in the


           24              Washburn Street Cemetery is, if any one of


           25              you drive by this overgrown deplorable






            1              cemetery, you will see how sad it truly is.


            2              My mother had to bury her mom in this


            3              deplorable place.  This past weekend it was


            4              so bad that my own mother couldn't get out


            5              of my vehicle to pay respects to her mom


            6              because the cemetery is in such a disgraced


            7              condition.  There is overgrown grass all


            8              summer.  We have to cut the grass around the


            9              tombstones ourselves.  I'm not the only


           10              person that goes there.  You go over there


           11              on a weekend you will find 10, 20 people


           12              doing the same thing.


           13                      There is no phone number listed for


           14              the cemetery.  I had to get a phone number


           15              from our funeral director.  I called the


           16              gentleman on his cell phone to voice my


           17              complaint and he told me there is no money


           18              to do anything.  That's not my problem,


           19              that's not your problem, that's not


           20              anybody's problem that is buried in that


           21              cemetery that paid money to take care of


           22              their graves.  It truly has become a


           23              disgusting condition to put it bluntly.


           24                      If my home, your home, anybody's


           25              home looked like this cemetery did you would






            1              be cited for blight, so I ask this city to


            2              cite these people for blight and give them


            3              30 days to clean up the cemetery and cite


            4              them every day because I should not have to


            5              go over there and clean up for something


            6              that we paid for and neither should anybody


            7              else have to.


            8                      There is hundreds, upon thousands of


            9              people in this city that have loved ones


           10              buried in that cemetery and it's truly a


           11              disgrace.  Not only is the gras overgrown,


           12              but there is tombstones toppled all over the


           13              place.  I was told by a gentleman that fixes


           14              the tombstones that these are not cause of


           15              vandals, it's because the poor drainage in


           16              the cemetery and not properly maintained.


           17                      We buried my grandmother on April 3


           18              and it took until July 2 for somebody to


           19              come over and fill in the grave because it


           20              had sank so bad.  It's truly sad.  I have


           21              family members buried in both Cathedral and


           22              Dunmore cemeteries and if you go to those


           23              cemeteries you leave there in peace.  You


           24              cannot do this at that Washburn Street


           25              Cemetery.  I drive by there ever day going






            1              and coming from work and this summer truly


            2              is the worst it's ever been.


            3                      To move onto other topic that I have


            4              come here time and time again, I ask did


            5              anybody receive my e-mails that I sent two


            6              weeks ago for the water problem?


            7                      MS. EVANS: Yes.


            8                      MR. NEWCOMB:  If you can see from


            9              these e-mails, this past spring my wife and


           10              I put thousands of dollars into our property


           11              and 35 tons of soil and dirt to bring up our


           12              property.  Our foundation costs us $4,000 to


           13              fix to stop the water from coming in.


           14              Fortunately, for me we solved the problem


           15              with the exception that when the water comes


           16              up over the street and there is no where


           17              else to go it's going to come in the yard.


           18              The flooding this summer has just been


           19              unreal.  There is mosquitos right in front


           20              of my house.  You can't even let the kids go


           21              outside because the water just ponds there.


           22                      Nobody seems -- Mrs. Gatelli, I know


           23              you had the city come over and they put in a


           24              drain, that works to get rid of some of the


           25              problem, but it doesn't help it.  I know






            1              Mrs. Evans you have tried and time and time


            2              again to help, but it's just getting bad and


            3              neighbors are actually come outside and they


            4              cry because they say, "Why doesn't anybody


            5              want to do anything about this problem?"


            6                      No offense, Mr. McGoff, but I'm


            7              still waiting for you to come over because I


            8              know you said about two years you would come


            9              over and look at the problem and you'd take


           10              personal interest in it and nothing has


           11              happened.  Like I said, I think I helped the


           12              problem to stop the water from coming into


           13              my home, but unfortunately the rest of the


           14              neighborhood is just -- is getting hit


           15              pretty hard.


           16                      MS. GATELLI: Did you get any relief


           17              from Keyser Avenue?


           18                      MR. NEWCOMB: No.


           19                      MS. GATELLI:  You know, that there


           20              is no storm drains up there?


           21                      MR. NEWCOMB:  No, that's the problem


           22              the water needs to be stopped from Keyser


           23              Avenue --


           24                      MS. GATELLI: I know.


           25                      MR. NEWCOMB: And it comes from






            1              Keyser Avenue and we are the lowest point


            2              and that's were where it settles, so you


            3              either need to put drains right across


            4              Keyser Avenue or at the bottom of us you


            5              need to make some kind of gully system or


            6              something to stop the water because when the


            7              engineers came over from the Sewer Authority


            8              they said there is a 18-inch pipe that goes


            9              into a 24-inch pipe -- or, I'm sorry, I have


           10              it backwards, a 24-inch pipe that goes into


           11              a 18-inch pipe.  That's not going to hold


           12              that type of water.  You are talking about


           13              thousands of gallons of water that comes


           14              down within a matter of ten minutes.  It's


           15              really, really sad.


           16                      And one other quick question I have


           17              if I can, do we know if we charge insurance


           18              companies for the use of Rescue 1 in car


           19              accident?  Did we use to?


           20                      MS. FANUCCI: I don't know that.


           21                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  We might have in


           22              the past, I don't think we do now.


           23                      MR. NEWCOMB:  I think that's


           24              something that we look into to make revenue


           25              for the city.  You see them all of the time






            1              responding to accidents and the ambulance


            2              charge for their services, I can't see why


            3              Rescue 1 of the city can't charge for their


            4              services as well.  But, personally, I ask


            5              you to please look into the Washburn Street


            6              Cemetery because it really is a sad


            7              situation.  It's really, really bad.  Thank


            8              you.


            9                      MR. MCGOFF: Marie Schumacher.  Or,


           10              excuse me, I'm sorry, I keep jumping ahead.


           11              Chris Hughes.


           12                      MR. HUGHES: Good evening, Council.


           13              Thanks for giving me the chance to speak


           14              tonight.  My name is Chris Hughes.  I'm 25,


           15              I'm a lifelong resident of the city.  I want


           16              to come tonight because I see a problem in


           17              the city, but I don't hear anybody


           18              presenting any kind of positive solutions


           19              and any positive alternatives.  The problem


           20              I see is blighted properties and what


           21              happens to blighted properties once the


           22              bricks, the mortar and the tenants are gone


           23              for months and possibly years at a time.


           24                      Right now where I live, in the


           25              section of West Side where I live, there are






            1              two vacant properties completely vacant, no


            2              buildings whatsoever within two blocks of


            3              each other.  One of those properties sits he


            4              at the intersection of Oram Street and North


            5              Bromley Avenue, that site apparently owned


            6              by a group called 1222 Oram Street, LLC.


            7              I'm hoping from what I have been told by


            8              neighbors that's a group of neighbors that


            9              bought the property.  I'm hoping they do


           10              something to develop it.


           11                      The property that I'm more concerned


           12              with because it doesn't seem like anybody is


           13              doing anything with it sits at the corner of


           14              North Bromley and Pettibone Street just up


           15              from the Turkey Hill on Main Avenue in West


           16              Side.  I don't know if anybody -- if you are


           17              familiar with that.  Mr. Courtright is


           18              giving me a nod.  I'm coming here because I


           19              want to learn a few things.  I would like to


           20              see the property positively developed


           21              probably to the chagrin of many, but


           22              possibly as a neighborhood community garden.


           23              A project like this would probably solve at


           24              least two problems in the city, it would


           25              develop a blighted property and something






            1              positive and it could foster a sense of


            2              community that I think is missing in the


            3              City of Scranton these days.


            4                      There is a couple of preliminary


            5              questions that I have, and I'm sure that if


            6              I got any kind of approval for this kind of


            7              a project there would be many more that


            8              would come forward down the road.  I guess


            9              the first question would be, could I as a


           10              civilian obtain any kind of community


           11              development grant, block development grant


           12              for this kind of project?  If I could where


           13              could I go to apply for that kind of grant?


           14              What office, whether it be in the city or


           15              the county level.  Could somebody who owns


           16              the property, how much it's worth, how to


           17              obtain it.  And I guess the final


           18              preliminary question would be what kind of


           19              approval what I need to get from


           20              neighborhoods, there is two schools in the


           21              community, Charles Sumner and John Marshall,


           22              would I need any kind of approval from the


           23              zoning boards to get this kind of project


           24              moving forward.  If there is any kind of


           25              correspondence, I could deal with the






            1              members of council.  I'd be happy to give


            2              you my e-mail address off camera, my cell


            3              phone number, whatever I could give you to


            4              keep moving forward.


            5                      If you don't have answers tonight I


            6              understand because it's probably something


            7              you didn't expect, but I appreciate any kind


            8              of information you can give me because I'd


            9              like to see, like I said, something positive


           10              happening with the sites.


           11                      MS. FANUCCI: Certainly I can help


           12              you with the contact OECD to try to obtain


           13              type of funding, but I think your first


           14              source is trying to find out who owns the


           15              property, so I think we should start there


           16              to see if it's available.


           17                      MR. HUGHES: Would be from the County


           18              Assessor's Office?


           19                      MS. GATELLI: The Assessor's.


           20                      MS. FANUCCI: The Assessor's Office


           21              would be where you would go for that, and


           22              then after that it would be OECD and you


           23              would want to contact them and tell them


           24              what it is that you looking for, but you


           25              would have to acquisition of the property






            1              first.


            2                      MR. HUGHES: Sure.


            3                      MS. FANUCCI:  So that's your first


            4              step.


            5                      MR. HUGHES: And this is probably


            6              more of an opinion question, but would that


            7              be better served as like a civilian thing or


            8              would it be better --


            9                      MS. FANUCCI: What are you trying to


           10              do, you want to do a community center?


           11                      MR. HUGHES: No, no, like --


           12                      MS. FANUCCI: Community gardens.


           13                      MR. HUGHES: Like an outdoor


           14              community garden.  My vision is to have it


           15              fenced in, to use a Scranton based business


           16              which would be the Earth Box business to


           17              have container gardens set up so I wouldn't


           18              have to worry about tilling land or anything


           19              like that, and use existing parking on the


           20              sides of the streets.


           21                      MS. FANUCCI:  Well, you could


           22              probably start a nonprofit then, right?


           23                      MR. HUGHES: That would be my guess,


           24              but --


           25                      MS. FANUCCI: I would think that






            1              nonprofit would be your best route.


            2                      MS. GATELLI: And there is a


            3              gentleman that came here, I don't recall his


            4              name, that was doing community gardens.


            5                      MR. HUGHES:  Really?


            6                      MS. FANUCCI:  He has been here for


            7              awhile.  Actually, I do have his e-mail.


            8                      MS. EVANS:  It's Mr. Murphy.  I


            9              think he resides in Greenridge.  He was


           10              interested in that.  I don't know that it


           11              came to fruition.  I know I had sent some


           12              volunteers to attend his meetings and sadly


           13              the meetings weren't conducted.  But I


           14              think, you know, also it would to your


           15              advantage when applying for a CDBG grant,


           16              for example.  First of all, you have to


           17              ascertain and if this is a low to moderate


           18              income area; and then secondly, your chances


           19              are improved if you are a group that is


           20              applying rather than an individual and, of


           21              course, the current round of CDBG's are now


           22              in process and that is for funding within


           23              the 2010 fiscal year, so that in terms of a


           24              CDBG grant they are going to need to wait


           25              until next summer for application and






            1              receipt of funds then probably in 2011.


            2                      MR. HUGHES: Okay.  Do have an


            3              estimated time as to when the grant would


            4              have be to sent in?


            5                      MS. FANUCCI: Just in response, I


            6              want to say this first, we don't believe


            7              it's in a low to moderate income area.


            8                      MR. HUGHES: I don't believe it is


            9              either.


           10                      MS. FANUCCI: So you would not be


           11              able to apply for that funding, but there


           12              would be other sources depending on what it


           13              is you are looking for.  If you leave your


           14              e-mail with Neil I certainly will contact


           15              you and see what we can do.


           16                      MR. HUGHES: Thank you.


           17                      MR. MCGOFF: Marie Schumacher.


           18                      MS. SCHUMACHER: Marie Schumacher,


           19              city resident and member of the Taxpayers'


           20              Association.  Before I start with the


           21              remarks that I prepared for tonight, did I


           22              hear correctly that we will have a new


           23              Recovery Plan imposed on us that will not


           24              come to council or come before the voters?


           25                      MS. FANUCCI: I believe it has to






            1              come to council because I think we have to


            2              adopt it as legislation 'am I correct, Amil?


            3                      MR. MINORA: Yes.


            4                      MS. EVANS: YES.


            5                      MS. FANUCCI:  So it does have to


            6              come before council.


            7                      MS. SCHUMACHER: I misheard, okay.


            8              Now, the capital budget, Section 904 of the


            9              Home Rule Charter states:  "Capital budget


           10              shall contain:  One, a summary of it's


           11              contents.  Two, a list of all capital


           12              improvements which are proposed to be


           13              undertaken during five fiscal years and


           14              ensuing with appropriate supporting


           15              information as to the necessity for such


           16              improvements.  Three, cost estimated, method


           17              of financing, and recommended time schedule


           18              for such improvements.  Four, estimated


           19              annual cost of operating and maintaining


           20              facilities to be constructed or acquired.


           21              Five, inventory replacement schedule for


           22              purchase and replacement of major


           23              equipment."


           24                      I have to tell you that this is the


           25              poorest excuse for capital budget I have






            1              ever seen.


            2                      MS. EVANS: I agree.


            3                      MS. SCHUMACHER: I cannot believe


            4              that anybody didn't have enough pride to not


            5              bother submitting this.  Not only is it


            6              several months late, but it is totally out


            7              of comport with the Home Rule Charter.


            8              Where are the projects within each


            9              department?  Why did council approve the


           10              $50,000 budgeted for Genesis Wildlife Center


           11              to Leadership Lackawanna for Hanlon's Grove?


           12              Where is the greenhouse funding?  Why are


           13              nonmunicipal entities allowed to initiate


           14              capital projects?  Every capital project


           15              should be in the city budget and it should


           16              be shown as approved by council with a


           17              nonmunicipal entity shown as the funding


           18              sources once it is approved by council.


           19                      We have been out of compliance for


           20              years and years.  I think the last one of


           21              the Connors' administration the only one


           22              that was done correctly, and I think it's


           23              time that you make this administration shape


           24              up.  It is just terrible.  Where are the


           25              streets to be paved?  There is money in the






            1              OECD budget that you have received for today


            2              to have streets paving.  That's a capital


            3              project that should be in there.  I just


            4              don't know.  I don't know why you let them


            5              get away with this and I think it's time


            6              that this year you stop it and get a correct


            7              budget.


            8                      MS. EVANS: Ms. Schumacher, I agree


            9              with you --


           10                      MS. SCHUMACHER: 5-D -- my time.


           11              I've got five here.


           12                      MS. EVANS: I'm sorry.


           13                      MS. SCHUMACHER: Thank you though.


           14              5-D, I ask council to obtain the full list


           15              of applications, not just those selected for


           16              inclusion in the CDBG budget that's proposed


           17              to you tonight.  Why are there no non


           18              agilged funds for emergency fuel help?  We


           19              all know what shape people are in


           20              economically, we know what's happening to


           21              utility rates and not a penny for emergency


           22              fuel help?  That is -- that is terrible.


           23                      I mean, I wonder why I waste my time


           24              going to these meetings when they look for


           25              citizen input and you take your time and you






            1              go down and you remind them of these things


            2              and then forward comes the budget, but I


            3              think we should all, every citizen, should


            4              see all of the applications that were


            5              received and their recommendations and I


            6              would like to that you would request tonight


            7              that we all do see the all of the


            8              applications.


            9                      5-E on tonight's agenda.  It should


           10              be publically that SLIBCO is not losing any


           11              funding in this transaction, rather SLIBCO


           12              will receive a quarter of a million dollars


           13              from the federal stimulus funding.  This


           14              transaction begs the question of where the


           15              CDBG-R for recovery itemized budget is


           16              showing all of the stimulus funding.  It's


           17              referenced in the backup, but where is it?


           18              The city clerk's office doesn't have it.


           19              This dash "R" plan is listed in the backup,


           20              it should be available in the clerks office


           21              and I would recommend that you see that


           22              that's received before next week's meeting.


           23                      Speaking of the Clerk's Office, I


           24              would like to make a recommendation


           25              regarding authorities.  During -- may I






            1              finish this thought?  I'll bring the rest


            2              next week?


            3                      MR. MCGOFF: Please.


            4                      MS. SCHUMACHER: During the August


            5              recess the deal the Parking Authority made


            6              with Molly Brannigans came to light.  I


            7              called the clerk's office to request an


            8              appointment to review the Scranton Parking


            9              Authority 2009 meeting minutes only to be


           10              informed that city council does not receive


           11              these minutes.  I was going to go over that


           12              third item, but since we taxpayers are the


           13              ones that are left holding the bag if the


           14              authorities' default, I believe council


           15              should request minutes of each authority be


           16              forwarded to council, even an open records


           17              request if that's what it takes to get


           18              compliance in a timely manner and so noted


           19              when received in your agenda item three.


           20              And God Lord willing, I'll be back next week


           21              with the rest of my comments.  Thank you.


           22                      MR. MCGOFF: Jim Stucker.


           23                      MR. STUCKER: How you doing?


           24                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Hi, Jim.


           25                      MR. STUCKER: Hi.  I was at the






            1              festival, I had a good time, three days, it


            2              worked out four days.


            3                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Good.


            4                       MR. STUCKER: And what about them


            5              houses now, the one on Greenridge, are they


            6              going to get --


            7                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  I know.  They


            8              boarded it up though, Jim.  They didn't tear


            9              it down yet, but it's boarded up.


           10                      MR. STUCKER: When are they ripping


           11              it down?


           12                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  I don't know.


           13                      MR. STUCKER:  And I was wondering


           14              about that street by the courthouse, by the


           15              post office courthouse, that road is bad.


           16              They have to put a new road in there.


           17                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Yep.


           18                      MR. STUCKER: All right.  And Pocius


           19              they said, I don't know if it was one of


           20              your friends come into Sheeley's Drug Store,


           21              he said Pocius found my bike.


           22                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Okay.


           23                      MR. STUCKER: He had a green blazar.


           24              He said he knows you.


           25                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  He knows me?






            1                      MR. STUCKER: Yeah.


            2                      MR. COURTRIGHT: What bike, Jim, not


            3              the scooter?


            4                      MR. STUCKER: No my brand new


            5              mountain bike.


            6                      MR. COURTRIGHT: And what happened,


            7              it was stolen?


            8                      MR. STUCKER: Yeah, it was stolen


            9              outside of Bernie's Bar.


           10                      MR. COURTRIGHT: And they said I have


           11              it?


           12                      MR. STUCKER: Well, Pocius --


           13                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Pocius?


           14                      MR. STUCKER: Yeah.  Pocius said he


           15              gave it to you.


           16                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I don't think


           17              Mr. Pocius has your bike, Jim.


           18                       MR. STUCKER: I just talked to a guy


           19              in a green blazar, he said you -- he said


           20              Pocius -- the guy in the green blazar told


           21              me, I don't know his name, he said he will


           22              give you a call or Pocius give him a call


           23              and said they found the bike, he did, so he


           24              is supposed to get back to you about it, so


           25              you might have to call Pocius.






            1                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Jim, I don't think


            2              Mr. Pocius has your bike, Buddy.  I think


            3              they were teasing you.


            4                       MR. STUCKER: The kid was tall, a


            5              tall kid and two other kids, too.


            6                      MR. COURTRIGHT: You know what to do,


            7              Jim, get his name so that I can call him


            8              because I think he is fooling around with


            9              you.


           10                       MR. STUCKER: All right.  Now we got


           11              these skateboards and they are on on where I


           12              live on Adams Avenue in that big tall


           13              building, right around the corner of


           14              Mulberry, the kids live in this building,


           15              they were there tonight with the skateboards


           16              bouncing off -- the cops -- this cop here


           17              went right up the street, he had to come


           18              over here so that's why he didn't stop, and


           19              they are over the courthouse now tonight,


           20              they will be there running up and down the


           21              courthouse square, and running all up that


           22              wall.  Two cops stopped them three weeks


           23              ago, two cops, and took they kid to jail and


           24              took the skateboard off of them.  Now they


           25              are all back.  They are over there tonight.






            1                       MR. COURTRIGHT: Okay, the sheriffs


            2              will take care of that, Jim.


            3                      MR. STUCKER: Well, you got to tell


            4              them.


            5                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I will tell them.


            6                      MR. STUCKER: We need more cops.


            7                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  We need more cops,


            8              you are right.  Yep.


            9                      MR. STUCKER: And I think I might be


           10              back in the hospital again.


           11                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Oh.


           12                      MR. STUCKER: For my valve, checking


           13              my valve they are, which they do now.


           14                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I hope you are okay.


           15                      MR. STUCKER: I hope they can find my


           16              bike, I'll be lucky.


           17                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Yeah, I don't think


           18              Mr. Pocius has your bike, Jim.


           19                      MR. STUCKER: All right.


           20                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Okay.


           21                      MR. STUCKER: All right.


           22                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So long, Jim.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF: Ron Ellman.


           24                      MR. ELLMAN: Ron Ellman.


           25                      MS. FANUCCI: Ronnie, your shirt is






            1              amazing.  You are a big deal.


            2                      MR. ELLMAN: Ronnie Ellman again.


            3              Brother McGoff, if council would like me to


            4              intercede with the Justice Department on


            5              their behalf I have had some experience with


            6              them.  Just a thought.  Probably best I not.


            7              I lost, you know.


            8                      I saw where our mayor's watering


            9              hole dried up.  I was told that the club if


           10              he paid his bar bill they could still be in


           11              business.


           12                      I went to Steamtown Saturday, the


           13              first time I ever been there, and it's very


           14              nice.  I was pleased.  It's not real


           15              expensive, the train rides are like $20 out


           16              and up I guess where you go.  I didn't go on


           17              them, but they don't have a club card, you


           18              know, so they told me.  I came -- what I


           19              came to talk about one thing in the paper


           20              the other day, the University of Scranton


           21              bought two more buildings on Madison Avenue,


           22              one for $175,000 and one for $100,000.  That


           23              means those taxes are gone forever.  This


           24              has got to stop.  We got.  We got this other


           25              one, the college, they are buying that end






            1              of town up, how do you expect the people of


            2              this city, this isn't a college town where


            3              the college supports it.  We are supporting


            4              these businesses.  It just can't go away.


            5              You know, a fourth of the city is not paying


            6              taxes and this keeps going on.  They are


            7              money making businesses that make fortunes.


            8              It's just terrible what's going on right


            9              under you people's noses.


           10                      I know everybody probably saw all of


           11              these names in here for the tax sale.  There


           12              is over 600 for the city, how does these


           13              people get to pay so much, to owe so much


           14              money.  There is one guy here, Medical


           15              Dimensions, $404,000.  You know, and here is


           16              the St. Peter's Square, they're building all


           17              of that stuff down there wants KOZ's, they


           18              don't need KOZ's, they owe $58,000, one


           19              after another.  A dozen of these people owe


           20              over $1 million.  USA Reality over $45,000.


           21                      Underneath them is some poor guy on


           22              Washburn Street that owes $258 and his name


           23              is in there, and underneath him are two


           24              deadbeats that owe $44,000.  How did tens of


           25              millions of dollars get on these taxrolls?






            1              You know, nobody -- I have asked people,


            2              nobody -- and they said that nobody cares.


            3              Nobody keeps up with things.  They got -- I


            4              just don't understand how somebody could owe


            5              $404,000.  It's a business that's there, it


            6              makes money and they don't pay anything?  I


            7              don't know.


            8                      I'm taking my paperwork, I phoned --


            9              I'm taking my paperwork that I told you


           10              about to the FBI.  They want to see it


           11              because they don't believe me.  They said


           12              it's impossible for the bank to pay, the


           13              city make you pay, and then turn it over to


           14              the collection agency that I paid them and


           15              there is no check from the collection agency


           16              back to the city I was told.  I gave a check


           17              for when Mr. Walsh was down there I think


           18              for $1,900 I got the receipt, in a few weeks


           19              they sued me for $1,900 and turned it over


           20              to the collection agency and they wanted


           21              $2,400 so Ms. Rosie went out there and paid


           22              them, and where is the money?  It didn't


           23              come back to the city.  The FBI wants to see


           24              all my paperwork.


           25                      The bank took money every year I got






            1              the receipt from the bank paid my taxes, you


            2              know, and I'm not the only one.  You start


            3              talking about it, this has happened in the


            4              one person after another, but how can some


            5              poor guy lose a house for $250,000 in


            6              this Medical Dimensions is not paying


            7              404,000.  All these jerk water towns out


            8              here, there is no big amounts of money like


            9              this.  In Moosic there is one little -- some


           10              company owes $24,000.  Every one of them is


           11              just little amounts of money, a thousand or


           12              3,000 or something.  You get over here to


           13              Scranton, huge amounts, one after another


           14              down all of these pages people owe just huge


           15              amounts.


           16                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr. Ellman.


           17                      MR. ELLMAN: I'd like to know why


           18              they weren't turned over to the collection


           19              agency and I was, you know.  There is some


           20              people ought to be in jail instead of having


           21              the pictures up on the damn schools or


           22              wherever around here.  Thank you.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF: Dave Dobrzon.


           24                      MR. DOBRZON: Good evening, council.


           25              Dave Dobrzon, resident of Scranton and






            1              member of the Scranton Taxpayers, and you


            2              kind of stole my parade on 7-A, but


            3              nonetheless, I want to read from Article III


            4              of the PA State Constitution on religious


            5              freedom.  Now, I'll need these to read my


            6              own writing.  "All men have a natural and


            7              indefeasible right to worship all Mighty God


            8              according the dictates of their own


            9              consciences.  No man of right can be


           10              compelled to attend, direct or support any


           11              place of worship or to maintain any ministry


           12              against it's consent.  No human authority


           13              can in any case whatever control or


           14              interfere with these rights of conscious and


           15              no preference shall ever be given by law to


           16              any religious establishments or modes of


           17              worship."


           18                      Now, the reason I brought this up


           19              is, well, one church which is kind of


           20              mainstream around here would like a little


           21              help.  Who next, the Muslims, the Synagogue,


           22              the Arian Nation?  So, in other words, what


           23              I'm saying is that this should never be


           24              voted on on the basis that people who are


           25              not of the conviction of this religion






            1              basically have to pick up the tab out of


            2              their taxes and do without other uses for


            3              those taxes.  So enough on that.


            4                      I'd like to -- one other thing I


            5              would like to say is that I do track


            6              personally the actions of politicians and


            7              when I regard them as on the fringes of


            8              constitutionality it's time to vote against


            9              them or not vote for anybody at all if you


           10              are voting for the least of two evils.


           11                      As far as Northeast Criminal


           12              Conspiracy, I mean, NCC, this is ridiculous


           13              some of these people getting socked with


           14              these taxes, the three tickets.  It's


           15              terrible.  It's actually, I think they


           16              should be in jail for cruel and unusual


           17              punishment against the citizens of this


           18              town.


           19                      And few years ago and I seen this


           20              man, I think it's Joe Gallanti, pushing the


           21              nonsmoking regulations in Scranton


           22              ordinance, now he is down the county.  Well,


           23              he got the stadium nonsmoking and, of


           24              course, every week in the paper there is --


           25              there is an article about how much more we






            1              have to pay in county taxes to renovate that


            2              stadium even though the bleachers were 20,


            3              30 percent built.  It's really ashame that


            4              these people can come in because I think it


            5              relates to Molly Brannigan's.  Everybody


            6              pushed it as a nonsmoking alternative and


            7              everything, but the bottom line is when it's


            8              taxpayers' money involved and at risk we


            9              shouldn't be telling people how to conduct


           10              their business.  Enough on that.  I mean,


           11              smoking is a bad idea in the first place,


           12              but if people want to be silly they should


           13              be left to be silly when they want to be


           14              silly, and it's not any big deal.


           15                      The last thing I would like to say


           16              is with the upcoming elections, all


           17              candidates please don't accept any outside


           18              money for elections.  If these people from


           19              Clarks Summit and so forth want to


           20              contribute to elections in Scranton maybe


           21              they should pay a commuter tax and that


           22              might wise them up because, obviously, they


           23              want to run our town but they don't want to


           24              pay taxes in it, so it's too bad they


           25              couldn't get a commuter tax and tax the






            1              pants on off them then they won't have any


            2              money to dump into political donations and


            3              try to control our town and our future.


            4              Thank you and have a good night.


            5                      MR. MCGOFF: Other speakers?  Please.


            6                      MS. SOLAN: Good evening.  I'd like


            7              to first say that I'm Jackie Solan and I'd


            8              like to thank you, Janet Evans, for


            9              responding to our e-mail.  We have a


           10              property at 526-524 Emmett Street.


           11                      MS. EVANS: Yes.


           12                      MS. SOLAN: I have numerous pictures


           13              here that you can keep.  We have been


           14              dealing with this problem with the blighted


           15              properties for years.  They have been


           16              condemned since 2005.  I have three small


           17              children.  There are -- in the winter months


           18              there are homeless people that take up


           19              residencies.  There are animals, there is


           20              raccoons.  I mean, my children have to be


           21              supervised in the backyard.  We have called


           22              the blight hotline numerous times, the City


           23              of Scranton inspectors.  The foundation on


           24              the property to the left that -- we are


           25              surrounded, there is one blighted property






            1              another blighted property, our residence,


            2              our other house, and then another blighted


            3              property, so we are surrounded by blighted


            4              properties.  Now, it's like an Amazon and


            5              like Claws and Paws surrounding us.  So, I


            6              mean, it's just horrendous and, you know, I


            7              don't want to complain or anything like that


            8              but if they were to be condemned, I mean, I


            9              have all of these pictures here, they said


           10              they have been on the list for years.


           11                      MS. EVANS: Yes.


           12                      MS. SOLAN: They have done nothing.


           13                      MS. EVANS: May I have the pictures?


           14                      MS. SOLAN:  Absolutely.


           15                      MS. EVANS: I had my own list tonight


           16              a request -- -


           17                      MS. SOLAN: They might be doubles,


           18              but you can keep them, but it's pretty hard


           19              to look at.


           20                      MR. MCGOFF: Excuse me, what was the


           21              address?


           22                      MS. EVANS: I have them all.  I have


           23              the list of them tonight with me.


           24                      MS. SOLAN: Sorry, I mean, there is--


           25              in the back there is a, I don't know, it's






            1              like a cliff.  There's a -- you will see


            2              there is a like a car wash and then they


            3              have that trailer that they put in, well, I


            4              mean, last summer there was homeless people


            5              climbing up there, but they come to stay,


            6              they take things that people have thrown


            7              back there, I mean, it's horrible.  And


            8              there is kids in and out of there.  I mean,


            9              when you see the pictures you are going to


           10              be just totally taken away, you know?


           11                      But I'd just ask that maybe somebody


           12              could take the time to really consider


           13              tearing them down instead of just saying,


           14              okay, they are on the list, you know?  But I


           15              thank you for your time.


           16                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.


           17                      MS. GATELLI: I think I condemned


           18              these when I was up there, that's how long


           19              ago it is?


           20                      MS. SOLAN: It's been awhile.


           21                      MS. EVANS:  Why?  Why all of these


           22              years?  Where is the justice in the list?


           23              Look at this.


           24                      MR. MCGOFF: Go ahead, Mr. Talimini.


           25                      MR. TALIMINI: Joe Talimini, City of






            1              Scranton.  One of the things that has been


            2              gauling me for a long time, and I don't who


            3              is in charge of DPW or what their new laws


            4              are or what their new contract calls for,


            5              but quite frankly, I have been sitting back


            6              listening to my scanner, when they have a


            7              cave in the DPW doesn't come out, they will


            8              get it in the morning.  It's raining, DPW


            9              does not come out.  You have an emergency, a


           10              fire going on, DPW does not come out and


           11              they have to tell the firemen where the


           12              barricades are, but they don't come out.


           13              You have a crime scene, DPW does not come


           14              out at night, it might be raining, but they


           15              will tell the cops where the barricades are.


           16                      Now, I thought it was a 24-hour


           17              agency, apparently it's not, so I would like


           18              to ask you to look into that and tell you


           19              what's going on.  With regard to OECD, I


           20              think it's about time for a federal


           21              investigation of OECD and I personally will


           22              call for one because we have lost so many


           23              businesses in this town, we have been lied


           24              to about those people who were behind and we


           25              were told, no, they were not behind and






            1              everything was up-to-date then we find out


            2              Molly Brannigan's, which is a national


            3              franchise, has beat the City out of over


            4              $700,000, they beat the parking authority or


            5              the sewer authority who they were renting


            6              from out of $60,0000.  There are other


            7              others.


            8                      Our downtown is prospering, which is


            9              why Steve and Barry's left, which is why


           10              Zale's jewelers left, which is why Ground


           11              Round left, but we are prospering, but I


           12              don't know where which brings me to my other


           13              point.  I think it's time the city got out


           14              of the banking business and let's the bank


           15              handle this thing.  If these people can't


           16              borrow money from the banks then sad on


           17              them, they shouldn't be in business.


           18                      Now, that's $750,000, I mean, rough


           19              estimate, if you had taken $25,000 of that


           20              and invested it in the people in this city


           21              who would like to make a little business


           22              going you probably could have started 30


           23              businesses without any problem at all and


           24              they probably would still be prospering.


           25                      Now, all of these people with their






            1              grandiose ideas, all of these politicians


            2              and all of these other people who are


            3              bringing these franchises into this town so


            4              they can pat themselves on the back and


            5              march in parades with them, it's ridiculous.


            6              Where is the money going and what are you


            7              people going to do about getting that money


            8              back?  Molly Brannigans is not a local


            9              organization, it's a national franchise.


           10              Zale's Jeweler, I don't know if they owe us


           11              any money or not, the Ice Box from what I


           12              understand, a few hundred thousands dollars


           13              there.  Have they been paid at all yet?


           14                      MS. EVANS: No.


           15                      MR. TALIMINI: So where is all this


           16              money and what are these people doing about


           17              it?  And OECD is using this money as if it


           18              were coming out of everybody's pockets.


           19              Well, it's coming out of my pocket as well


           20              as everybody else's, and it's time we did


           21              something about it.


           22                      Now, I'd like to address the Holy


           23              Cross Church, I think this is something that


           24              should be of interest to all of you.  I


           25              suggest the city buy Holy Cross Church and






            1              turn into a rehab center for politicians,


            2              developers, bankers and lawyers in this


            3              town, and I'm sure if we get enough


            4              people -- I'm sure we can get enough people


            5              up there who would be glad to introduce


            6              shock treatments to get you people back to


            7              reality, and a 30-day process.  It would be


            8              just like the Betty Ford Clinic.  You must


            9              be do a mandatory 30 days before you are


           10              allowed out in public again because you are


           11              certainly not entitled to the general


           12              population, and I think I can talk Mr. Bolus


           13              into going along with that as well.  Thank


           14              you.


           15                      MR. BHARUCKA: Good evening.


           16                      MS. EVANS: Good evening.


           17                      MR. BHARUCKA: City Council, my name


           18              is Jay Bharucka, I live at the rear 300


           19              block of Taylor Avenue.


           20                      MS. EVANS: Yes.


           21                      MR. BHARUCKA: And I live there


           22              34 years and I'm still living there and


           23              tonight I came here to oppose the program,


           24              it's called -- the University has the


           25              garbage collection center across my house






            1              just 15 feet from my house.


            2                      MS. EVANS: The dumpster/compactor.


            3                      MR. BHARUCKA: Yes.


            4                      MS. EVANS: I addressed that earlier


            5              tonight and we are on that --


            6                      MR. BHARUCKA: It is not a dumpster


            7              but is actually not dumpster, I talked with


            8              the zoning officer and everybody is


            9              confused.  It's not a dumpster, it's like a


           10              garbage collection center, garbage


           11              collection.


           12                      MR. NOLAN: A compactor.


           13                      MS. EVANS: A compactor.


           14                      MR. NOLAN: For the whole University,


           15              all of their garbage is going to be in


           16              there.


           17                      MS. EVANS: Really.  Well, that --


           18                      MR. BHARUCKA: And I don't now to get


           19              them, I'm in awe of these things, and I am


           20              here opposing that and, please, I don't want


           21              it.


           22                      MS. EVANS: I agree.


           23                      MR. BHARUCKA:  Whatever the project


           24              and I want to stop that.


           25                      MS. EVANS: Yes, and we are going to






            1              do everything we possibly can to help you


            2              with this.  As I said earlier, a letter is


            3              going to be sent on behalf of Scranton City


            4              Council requesting that the University of


            5              Scranton remove that and relocate it


            6              elsewhere, and we are also sending a letter


            7              to the Licensing, Inspections and Permit


            8              Department of the City of Scranton so that


            9              our people are aware of this situation and


           10              they should be sent out there to see that


           11              this occurs.


           12                      MR. BHARUCKA: Thank you very much.


           13                      MS. EVANS: You are very, very


           14              welcome.  No one should have to live with


           15              that.  I'm sure between the odors and the


           16              noise it has to be unbearable to the


           17              neighbors on Taylor Avenue and North Irving.


           18                      MR. NOLAN: We have a petition, I


           19              don't know if you guys --


           20                      MS. EVANS: Yes.


           21                      MR. NOLAN: You all got a copy?


           22                      MS. EVANS: We received it.


           23                      MR. NOLAN: He said he dropped it off


           24              at the office.


           25                      MS. EVANS: And that's going --






            1                      MR. NOLAN: And I have some pictures


            2              if you would like to see them.


            3                      MS. EVANS: Excellent.  Yes.  We will


            4              take those as well.


            5                      MR. NOLAN: This is the dumpster that


            6              they removed, it was basically a small


            7              dumpster.


            8                      MR. MCGOFF: Please, I'd just ask if


            9              you talk -- the stenographer can't --


           10                      MS. GATELLI:  Can't hear you.


           11                      MR. MCGOFF: Can't hear and also take


           12              the podium.


           13                      THE COURT REPORTER: And state your


           14              name, please.


           15                      MR. NOLAN: My name is Michael Nolan.


           16              I live at 301 North Irving.  I also oppose


           17              this.  I didn't actually get to the chance


           18              to sign the petition because I was out of


           19              town, but the pictures basically that's the


           20              small dumpster that was in the area, and


           21              this is the concrete pad where they are


           22              going to place I believe the 40-foot


           23              compactor/dumpster.  He is talking storage


           24              area.  We have been told it's for the whole


           25              universities' garbage and this is a picture






            1              here.  His house is like right across the


            2              alley from this.  He lives in the alley


            3              here.  I mean, I couldn't imagine having


            4              this right next to my house.


            5                      MS. EVANS: No.


            6                      MR. NOLAN: And I basically want to


            7              know with all of the property the university


            8              has why they can't put in one of their


            9              parking lots?


           10                      MS. EVANS: Exactly.


           11                      MR. NOLAN: It's right close to one


           12              of their buildings that they would just be


           13              taking away a couple of parking lots for


           14              cars instead of putting it by this


           15              gentleman's home.  I mean, this is -- I'm


           16              outraged by it, but, you know.  I can't


           17              believe they can do this without like asking


           18              anybody.


           19                      MS. EVANS: No, I can't believe it


           20              either.


           21                      MR. NOLAN: So that you have already


           22              had a copy of that petition though.


           23                      MS. EVANS: Yes.


           24                      MR. NOLAN: Okay.  Thank you.


           25                      MS. GATELLI: You are welcome.






            1                      MS. EVANS:  Thank you.  We will do


            2              our very best for you.


            3                      MR. O'MALLEY: Barbara O'Malley,


            4              Scranton resident.  I just want to be clear,


            5              it's my understanding or I thought I heard


            6              out in the hall that you are voting "no" on


            7              7-A?  Was that -- is that accurate


            8              information?


            9                      MS. FANUCCI:  How do you know that?


           10                      MS. O'MALLEY: On Holy Cross.


           11              Somebody said that --


           12                      MR. MCGOFF: Yes.  That is correct.


           13                      MS. O'MALLEY: It's not tabled --


           14                      MS. FANUCCI: How does she know?


           15                      MS. O'MALLEY: How did I know?  I


           16              heard -- I wasn't here earlier in the


           17              meeting, but somebody who left the meeting.


           18              That's why I came to the meeting primarily


           19              to talk about it, so I just wanted to make


           20              sure that was accurate.


           21                      MS. GATELLI: It's a "no."


           22                      MS. O'MALLEY: Okay.  I appreciate


           23              that.  Thank you very much.  The other thing


           24              that I wanted to ask for information about


           25              is there was a report in the Scranton Times






            1              about the Army Reserve Center in -- on


            2              Colfax Avenue in Scranton that that will be


            3              closing and the property can be transferred


            4              to a nonprofit, and I did try and call the


            5              Scranton Redevelopment Agency to ask them


            6              about the process of the transfer and some


            7              other information about future use of that


            8              property, unfortunately, I never got a call


            9              back, but this is the question and maybe


           10              somebody at council can help get this


           11              information.


           12                      It is my understanding from reading


           13              the article that that property can only be


           14              transferred as part of the agreement to a


           15              nonprofit organization, and that there are--


           16              the city is considered a nonprofit and two


           17              schools, and the question I live in the


           18              neighborhood and the question that we have


           19              as neighbors is if the property is


           20              transferred to say one of the schools and


           21              for some reason the school doesn't -- is no


           22              longer able to operate, are they under the


           23              same agreement that then the property has to


           24              continue to go to a nonprofit or at that


           25              point can it go to any developer?  Because






            1              the answer to that question will impact the


            2              input that the citizens and the taxpayers


            3              who live in that neighborhood around that


            4              property, you know, whatever conclusion and


            5              input that we would have on that, so I don't


            6              know if anybody knows that answer to that


            7              question at this time or not.


            8                      MS. GATELLI: You are talking about


            9              Holy Cross?


           10                      MS. O'MALLEY: Oh, no, no, no.


           11                      MS. EVANS: No, we are a talking


           12              about the old reserve building, the armory.


           13                      MS. GATELLI: Sorry.


           14                      MS. O'MALLEY:  That's okay.


           15              Originally I was -- I started on Holy Cross


           16              and then I went over to the armory on Colfax


           17              Avenue.


           18                      MS. GATELLI: I know what you are


           19              talking about.


           20                      MS. O'MALLEY:  And again, it's


           21              supposed to -- a further company or whatever


           22              would go nonprofit, Amil, do have the answer


           23              to that?


           24                      MR. MINORA: Yeah, the answer to that


           25              is going to be kind of a multiple choice






            1              question.  If the restriction runs with the


            2              deed, if it's in the deed itself,


            3              restricting to it nonprofits itself then


            4              it's binding on every person that buys.  If


            5              it's an agreement between two people or two


            6              bodies, two entities and one entity uses it


            7              as it's supposed to, that may or may not


            8              bind them with their transfer for the next


            9              person and then the question then goes on


           10              from there.


           11                      So it's the nature of the agreement


           12              that will be up in the air.  I have no way


           13              of knowing until I see that, but if it's in


           14              the deed, it's a deed restriction, then that


           15              would go with it.


           16                      MS. O'MALLEY: I believe it might be


           17              a deed restriction, but I'm not -- I don't


           18              know if the reporter who wrote the article


           19              is here, but I think it might be, but we


           20              should be able to find that out at some


           21              point, so thank you.  And the only other


           22              thing that I would ask is I'm not certain


           23              whose responsible, but the upper chamber


           24              here in council has been locked and last


           25              time I was here and I actually prefer to sit






            1              up there because, unfortunately, sometimes


            2              the chatter in the back of the room makes it


            3              really hard to concentrate and so I'm


            4              requesting that, Mr. McGoff, maybe you could


            5              look into that as council president?  The


            6              upstairs chamber, that section up there.


            7                      MR. MCGOFF: I understand.


            8                      MS. O'MALLEY:  It's locked and has


            9              been locked and I would really appreciate if


           10              it could be opened.  Thank you.


           11                      MR. MCGOFF: Anyone else?  Chris?


           12                      MS. GATELLI: Chrissy is back at


           13              West.


           14                      MS. SLEDZENSKI: That's right.


           15              That's right.  Right, Billy?


           16                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Happy Birthday,


           17              Buddy.


           18                      MR. SLEDZENSKI: Thanks, Billy.


           19                      MS. EVANS: Oh, Happy Birthday.


           20                      MR. SLEDZENSKI: Thank you, Janet.


           21              Thank you.


           22                      MS. Evans: And a hundred more.


           23                      MR. SLEDZENSKI:  Janet, I could lose


           24              my mind over this.  Well, Bill, our first


           25              loss, it wasn't the best to us year, but you






            1              never know, Bill.  This week, we will win


            2              this week, Baby.  I'm going back to West


            3              Side where I belong, Buddy.


            4                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Okay, Chris.


            5                      MR. ANCHERANI:  Good evening.


            6              Nelson Ancherani, First Amendment Rights.


            7              Just a little remainder, the city has a


            8              full-time grant writer, a police grant


            9              writer, but the Recovery Plan prohibits the


           10              city police grant writer from writing the


           11              grants for the police department.  Who


           12              writes the police grants for the police


           13              exclusively for the city?  Are they


           14              combined, you know, like with the county


           15              they write all our police grants, every one


           16              of them.  We have a grant writer that can't


           17              write police grants.


           18                      MR. COURTRIGHT: It appears that she


           19              is writing all of our grants.


           20                      MR. ANCHERANI: The county.


           21                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Yes.


           22                      MR. ANCHERANI: The part-timer.


           23                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Yes.


           24                      MR. ANCHERANI: Okay.  Well, here it


           25              is September already, nine weeks until






            1              November 15 and the 2010 budget will be


            2              presented to city council.  My annual


            3              predictions:  One, a record budget topping


            4              the 84 million 2008 budget; 25 percent more


            5              tax increase.  We have to remember taxes


            6              will have to be raised because the city


            7              probably will be short $5 million from the


            8              tax office; and three, millions borrowed.


            9                      Two of the council members that


           10              voted for the last budget that included the


           11              three predicted items are lame duck council


           12              members, so it will be interesting to see


           13              how they vote.  We already know how Mr.


           14              McGoff will vote since he agrees with


           15              everything the mayor sends down the pike,


           16              but as I had just mentioned, it was


           17              Ms. Fanucci, Mrs. Gatelli and Mr. McGoff who


           18              voted for the 2007 25 percent tax increase


           19              while 12 million was sitting in that


           20              mysteriously discovered tax office account.


           21                      Don't forget the NCC vote that adds


           22              thousands to unfortunate persons delinquent


           23              tax accounts that can force people to lose


           24              their homes.  Those three voted for that,


           25              also.  Maybe some of the names of that paper






            1              that Ronnie Ellman had are NCC clients.


            2                      Out of curiosity, you three, did you


            3              get new rubber stamps or are you going to


            4              use the old ones?


            5                      MR. MCGOFF: That's rather insulting.


            6                      MR. ANCHERANI: What's going on --


            7                      MS. FANUCCI: You want an answer to


            8              that or was that just a comment for


            9              hysterical fun factor, would you like me to


           10              --


           11                      MR. ANCHERANI: Take it whatever way


           12              you want.


           13                      MS. FANUCCI: I didn't buy a new


           14              rubber stamp, no, but thank you.


           15                      MR. ANCHERANI: Okay, take it


           16              whatever way you want.  What's going on with


           17              the Scranton Parking Authority?  Are they


           18              defaulting on their $600,000 payment?


           19              Anybody know that?


           20                      MS. GATELLI: Who, the parking


           21              authority?


           22                      MR. ANCHERANI: Yeah.


           23                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  I guess so.


           24                      MR. ANCHERANI: They are?  Okay.  How


           25              is that happening?  They got a $35 million






            1              loan that we will be paying back


            2              $94 million.  That's 50 some million with


            3              interest.  That's on top of the 16.1 million


            4              bond issue in early 2003.  They just got


            5              another million and they forgave 60,000 plus


            6              5,000 electric utilities at Brannigans.  We


            7              have 722,000 tied up in defaults by three


            8              businesses and possibly another one coming


            9              down the pike.  What is wrong with this


           10              picture?


           11                      The parking authority possibly


           12              defaulting on a bond, now they are, and they


           13              forgive $65,000 to Brannigans and Brannigans


           14              skips out be the city.  Who is that wheel


           15              when this occurred?  Who failed in doing


           16              their homework and research on those new


           17              business loans?  What's going on?  Will the


           18              taxpayers be responsible to pay the $600,000


           19              bond?  Wait, don't answer.  I already know


           20              the answer.


           21                      Mrs. Evans said before, maybe not in


           22              exact words, if any of the authorities


           23              default on their payments the taxpayers will


           24              foot the bill.  Again, it will be


           25              responsible for the payments.  This $722,000






            1              that the city is losing on the defaults for


            2              three failed businesses is on this mayor's


            3              watch, and the possibility of a fourth


            4              business going down the drain.  How long


            5              were these four businesses in this city


            6              before shutting down?  Possibly a total of


            7              ten years.


            8                      Under this mayor's watch we lost:


            9              Leonard's Hardware, Quints, Hobans and other


           10              totaling well over 300 years in business.


           11              They went down the tubes on this mayor's


           12              watch.  The mayor went to Reading to sell


           13              the Reading City leaders Act 47.  He brags


           14              about getting rid of 27 policemen and the


           15              gangs are festering in our city.  He must


           16              have forgotten that we are in Act 47 going


           17              into our 19th year starting in January.  We


           18              can't get out of 47 and he is helping to put


           19              Reading in it.  I guess misery loves


           20              company.  Thank you.


           21                      MR. MCGOFF: Mrs. Evans?


           22                      MS. EVANS: Good evening.  I'm very


           23              pleased to resume our fall session of city


           24              council meetings and I'd like to update you


           25              on issues I've worked on and studied over






            1              the August recess.  First, I strongly


            2              disapprove of the covert actions taken by


            3              the Scranton Parking Authority in relation


            4              to Molly Brannigan's restaurant.


            5                      Further, I am highly concerned about


            6              the financial stability of the parking


            7              authority who in the last three years alone


            8              has borrowed $36 million, a debt for which


            9              the Scranton Taxpayers are ultimately


           10              responsible.


           11                      Consequently, I would like the


           12              executive director of the Scranton Parking


           13              Authority to attend a city council caucus in


           14              September to explain the conduct and discuss


           15              the financial status of the parking


           16              authority.  Do my colleagues agree?


           17                      MS. FANUCCI: Sure.


           18                      MS. EVANS: Kay, please send a letter


           19              requesting a caucus on September 15, 22 or


           20              29, at 5:45 to Mr. Robert Scopeletti and the


           21              chairman of the Parking Authority board.


           22                      Second, the Office of Economic and


           23              Community Development also owes council and


           24              the taxpayers an explanation of the several


           25              business loans in default that were






            1              concealed for at least a year.  Secondhand


            2              reports from my council colleagues are


            3              unacceptable at this time, particularly


            4              since several have now been proven to be


            5              false.  I cite Molly Brannigan's, Michael's


            6              Luxury Eyewear, Vida Tapas Bar and Grill and


            7              the financial restructuring that occurred a


            8              few months ago for Mr. Brian Murray,


            9              insurance executive.  I warned council at


           10              the time against approval for Mr. Murray's


           11              agreement, but it fell on deaf ears once


           12              again.


           13                      Therefore, I would like to schedule


           14              a council caucus with Mrs. Linda Aebli --


           15              Miss Linda Aebli, excuse me, OECD Director


           16              in the month of September with the agreement


           17              of my council colleagues.


           18                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Yes.


           19                      MS. EVANS: Kay, please send a letter


           20              requesting Miss Aebli's attendance at a


           21              caucus on September 15, 22 or 29 at 5:45


           22              p.m., and please be certain that


           23              Mr. Scopelitti and Ms. Aebli respond


           24              promptly and schedule separate meetings.


           25                      I also move to halt the acceptance






            1              of any additional OECD loans on council's


            2              agenda until such time as Ms. Aebli meets


            3              with Scranton City Council.


            4                      MS. GATELLI: Second.


            5                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  She seconded it?


            6                      MS. GATELLI: I seconded it.


            7                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?


            8                      MR. COURTRIGHT: On the question, I


            9              am probably going to get beat up a little


           10              bit for this, I agree that we don't do


           11              anything until we find out the truth because


           12              I'm going to defend Mrs. Gatelli and Mrs.


           13              Fanucci here.  You know, we each have


           14              committees that we are in charge of, not in


           15              charge of, we are the heads of, and I know


           16              when I ask questions from my committee I'm


           17              assuming, because I have no choice, that I'm


           18              getting told the right answers, so I have to


           19              think that they asked and they were


           20              misinformed so I'm disappointed in OECD for


           21              not -- at the very least they should have


           22              told us -- they should have told us what was


           23              happening and let us know.  If there was


           24              confidential things that couldn't have been


           25              put out there then I think the citizens of






            1              the city trusted us, they put us here, and


            2              OECD should, and I think they did a


            3              disservice to Mrs. Fanucci especially


            4              because that's her committee telling her, I


            5              am assuming they were telling you all along


            6              things were good and things were not good.


            7              So I say shame on them.


            8                      MS. FANUCCI:  We asked numerous


            9              times as a body, when we had requests from


           10              the audience and --


           11                      MS. EVANS: Yes, and the only name


           12              that's ever been mentioned here at this dais


           13              has been Whistle's.


           14                      MS. FANUCCI: Right.


           15                      MS. EVANS: Which was straightened


           16              out long ago.


           17                      MS. FANUCCI: That was the only name


           18              that had come up.


           19                      MS. EVANS: But nothing else, and


           20              these loans have been bad for quite a period


           21              of time.


           22                      MS. FANUCCI: If you want to talk, we


           23              are not talking that every loan is bad.


           24                      MS. EVANS: No, we are not talking


           25              every loan is bad --






            1                      MS. FANUCCI: -- throughout the rest


            2              of the city --


            3                      MS. EVANS:  But we also need to


            4              remember that there was quite a debacle over


            5              the Hilton Hotel, and that's another loan


            6              situation that went bad and a $3 million


            7              loss to the city back in 2005 that we are


            8              never going to recover, and that was kept a


            9              secret as well until I uncovered it in 2005


           10              and wanted to know why OECD was saying we


           11              are making loan payments for a hotel to the


           12              government and the mayor was saying, no, we


           13              are not.  Well, there is a lot that's been


           14              going on in OECD.


           15                      And the other key it remember here


           16              is this, a loan portfolio was sold by the


           17              city several years ago and that loan


           18              portfolio contained the best loans that the


           19              city had plus and the mayor wanted money, so


           20              they were sold off to a company and what we


           21              were left with at that time were the loans


           22              that --


           23                      MS. GATELLI: Risky.


           24                      MS. EVANS: The risky loans that no


           25              else wanted to by, so we still have those,






            1              I'm sure, but in the meantime we have been


            2              giving away these loans like candy and it


            3              seems to me that somebody has dropped the


            4              ball here or somebody is dropping it


            5              purposely and isn't telling city council


            6              exactly what shape these businesses are in.


            7              And when they aren't telling council they


            8              aren't telling you, the people, and this is


            9              your money, your tax money, and I will not


           10              entertain anymore OECD business loans.  In


           11              fact there is one on tonight's agenda, a


           12              subordination agreement that I will move to


           13              table because my faith and confidence in


           14              OECD is severely shaken.


           15                      MS. FANUCCI: I'm going to say


           16              something, my only issue is that when people


           17              fill out the application and go along with


           18              the process they obviously have to be able


           19              to qualify, so if that's the case when they


           20              are coming in in these situations they are


           21              qualifying.  Whether or not you know and can


           22              decide on what business is going to do well


           23              and what business is not, I don't know how


           24              we would be able to prevent that because


           25              it's not for me to say or any of us to say






            1              what will make it and what won't.  That's


            2              the issue.


            3                      MS. EVANS: We are not even allowed


            4              to look at this information supposedly.


            5                      MS. FANUCCI: No.


            6                      MS. EVANS: So I'm asked to trust the


            7              very same people who have covered for


            8              businesses now for up to two years.  I'm


            9              asked to believe them when they say, oh,


           10              that business has no state liens, they have


           11              no IRS liens.  Well, I believe nothing.


           12                      MS. FANUCCI: Well, that has to go


           13              through the state.  That's not our issue


           14              here.  It has to go to the state level to


           15              clear that, so that's something --


           16                      MS. EVANS: Well, what we are told


           17              constantly is either you can't see it or


           18              everything is fine.


           19                      MS. FANUCCI: Right.


           20                      MS. EVANS: And there is only one bad


           21              loan and that's Whistle's and Whistle's


           22              isn't the bad loan.


           23                      MS. FANUCCI: Well, right.  Well,


           24              they made good finally, yes, they did do


           25              that.  They finally stepped up to it, but






            1              they had two years of bad just like these


            2              people do.


            3                      MS. EVANS: Exactly, but these --


            4                      MS. FANUCCI: Let's hope these people


            5              will do the same as Whistle's did.  Let's


            6              hope that a few years they are taken over by


            7              a new business and then thereafter two years


            8              they may turn around and say we are able to


            9              pay so, let's hope this is the situation and


           10              the best case scenario and let's they --


           11                      MS. EVANS: I hope they are going to


           12              pay this off, too, but I am not looking


           13              through things in -- or rather through


           14              rose-colored glasses.  I don't see or I'm


           15              not going to work through words and figures


           16              and visions and rose-colored glasses.


           17                      MS. FANUCCI: Listen, I agree with


           18              you.


           19                      MS. EVANS:  We have been lied to --


           20                      MR. MCGOFF:  The motion, would you


           21              please restate the motion?  Please.


           22                      MS. GATELLI: He wants you to say


           23              your motion.


           24                      MS. EVANS: Again?


           25                      MR. MCGOFF: Please restate it.






            1                      MS. EVANS: Thank you.  Okay, I will.


            2              I also move to halt the acceptance of any


            3              additional OECD loans on council's agenda


            4              until such time as Ms. Aebli meets with


            5              Scranton City Council.


            6                      MS. GATELLI: And I seconded it.


            7                      MR. MCGOFF: And it was seconded by


            8              Mrs. Gatelli.  Anyone else on the question?


            9              All in favor signify by saying aye.


           10                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           11                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           12                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF:  Opposed?  No.


           14                      MS. FANUCCI: No.


           15                      MR. MCGOFF: The ayes have it and so


           16              moved.


           17                      MS. EVANS: Third, the 2008


           18              independent audit of Scranton City Council


           19              has been delayed the Scranton Redevelopment


           20              Authority, the Scranton police department


           21              heads, and certain attorneys who have been


           22              asked for responses to potential claims and


           23              litigation since the week of June 29, 2009,


           24              according to a September 8 report.  Robert


           25              Rossi & Company also sent council regular






            1              updates throughout the month of August.  As


            2              of August 10, the Redevelopment Authority


            3              audit was completed and council received


            4              it's audit just this afternoon.


            5                      It is unacceptable that requests and


            6              motions of council have been ignored by some


            7              entities, so we can only hope that the 2008


            8              audit will reach council by September's end.


            9              I do wish to commend the Sewer and Parking


           10              Authorities for their improved cooperation


           11              and Robert Rossi & Company for it's constant


           12              diligence, professionalism and perseverance


           13              in trying to obtain essentially financial


           14              information from numerous city entities in a


           15              timely manner.


           16                      Fourth, the following is the August


           17              update from the Scranton Tax Office


           18              regarding the year-to-date tax collections


           19              in comparison to 2008 figures:


           20                      Real estate, $11,565,122 for a


           21              decrease of $26,340; wage tax, $12,272,577,


           22              a decrease of $672,032; local services tax,


           23              $1,022,932, an increase of $403,275; and


           24              business privilege mercantile tax


           25              $1,625,458, an increase of 27,178.






            1                      In addition, the city has not


            2              received the 4.3 million it is owed from the


            3              Scranton Tax Office, a 5.5 million dollar


            4              figure was plugged into the 2009 budget by


            5              the mayor and approved by a Council majority


            6              and the clock is ticking.


            7                      Fifth, in drafts received of the


            8              revised Recovery Plan for Scranton, the


            9              director of DCED indicates that the city


           10              must cut it's expenses and develop new


           11              revenue sources to see it's distressed


           12              status lifted, and this statement in many


           13              ways vindicates and supports my votes and


           14              actions as a councilwoman for the last six


           15              years.  Apparently, the administration is


           16              attempting to comply with DCED by


           17              investigating new revenue sources, such as


           18              potential charges and fees for large


           19              nonprofits and for select services such as


           20              parking spaces.  In terms of expenditure


           21              cuts, it will be most interesting to see


           22              what cuts are contained in the mayor's 2010


           23              budget beyond those he has already made in a


           24              police department and hopes to further cut


           25              in our public safety services.






            1                      Six, council received a letter from


            2              Congressman Kanjorski dated August 4, 2009,


            3              indicating that the Congressman submitted


            4              the following project to the Committee on


            5              Transportation and Infrastructure as a high


            6              priority project in the Surface


            7              Transportation Reauthorization Bill:  Meadow


            8              Avenue sound barriers in the amount of


            9              $4 million.  The committee will review the


           10              high priority projects and will determine


           11              eligibility for funding.


           12                      Thus, the letter from Congressman


           13              Kanjorski should not be considered a


           14              guarantee that funding will be awarded.


           15              Also, this legislation is not part of the


           16              yearly appropriations process and may take


           17              some time before being enacted into law,


           18              however, Council does thank Congressman


           19              Kanjorski for his support of this much


           20              needed project in our area and his efforts


           21              to see it to fruition.


           22                      And finally, I have citizens'


           23              requests for the last several weeks.


           24              Neighbors report, and we had a firsthand


           25              report tonight actually, that 520-522 and






            1              528 Emmett Street in the Bellevue Section


            2              are condemned for years and, in fact, as I


            3              went through the photos presented to council


            4              tonight, I note a photo of one condemnation


            5              notice that is dated 6-21-05.  That's over


            6              four years ago and all of these messes are


            7              still standing.  These properties are


            8              overgrown with shrubs, trees and grass and


            9              are habitats for stray cats, skunks, rats


           10              and woodchucks.


           11                      As you heard before, neighbors have


           12              called the blight hotline for years and they


           13              have met with no success.  Please provide a


           14              written response by September 21, 2009,


           15              indicating a date when these properties are


           16              going to be demolished or cleaned up.


           17                      Next:  Neighbors report the


           18              following condemned properties and the


           19              deplorable condition of each:  521 Maple


           20              Street, windows are broken and boarded up.


           21              Overgrown weeds cover the sidewalks and rats


           22              and skunks inhabit the property.


           23                      1017 Hamm Court overgrown weeds,


           24              presence of skunks and rats.


           25                      And then finally, I think council's






            1              favorite, it's been on the hit parade now


            2              for years, 1101 Cedar Avenue.  South Side


            3              residents complain that this property


            4              remains an eyesore.  One resident states


            5              that Holy Cross Church is a mansion


            6              comparison to this structure.  I have to


            7              laugh, it's true, which has been allowed to


            8              stand for several years without any progress


            9              or renovation.


           10                      A resident requests the installation


           11              of a speed bump or perhaps a "Slow Children


           12              at Play" sign on the road located between


           13              123 and 129 West Parker Street.  Vehicles


           14              speed through this area where small children


           15              play and this request has been made numerous


           16              times in the last three years, but the


           17              problem is never solved.  Provide written


           18              response or about September 2, 2009, which


           19              includes what measures will be taken.


           20                      A letter to Mr. Brazil:  Please


           21              repair large deep potholes near the curb in


           22              the first block of Crown Avenue, which is


           23              located parallel to Harrison Avenue.  This


           24              very short and steep street has remained


           25              without repairs for decades.  The neighbors






            1              tell me it's been over 40 years.  It is


            2              across the street from the small park at the


            3              corner of Harrison Avenue and Moosic Street.


            4                      I'm very pleased to report that the


            5              Sewer Authority cleaned and repaired the


            6              storm drains on North Washington Avenue near


            7              Marywood University during August and I


            8              thank the Sewer Authority for it's prompt


            9              response and hard work.


           10                      And to the residents of Jackson


           11              Street section of West Side I received your


           12              letter which outlines your problems, and I


           13              hope to be able to address these issues in


           14              the new year with the help of a new council


           15              majority.


           16                      The neighbors reported deteriorated


           17              deck at the rear of 920 Greenridge Street,


           18              please send an inspector to review the


           19              report, and residents of Marvin, Capouse and


           20              North Main Avenue report ATV drivers on the


           21              city streets during daytime hours.  When


           22              possible it would be appreciated if the


           23              police could drive through this area.


           24                      And then finally, we are requesting


           25              a list or rather let's say a dollar amount






            1              of stimulus funds received and a list of the


            2              city projects approved for funding through


            3              that stimulus package, if there are any, and


            4              that came from a speaker tonight during our


            5              council meeting, and that's it.


            6                      MR. MCGOFF: Mrs. Gatelli.


            7                      MS. GATELLI: Well, the first request


            8              I have for Mrs. Garvey is that I wrote a


            9              letter to Chief Elliott back in July


           10              concerning where the beat cops are and in


           11              what neighborhoods, and I got an e-mail


           12              response but he only answered about the


           13              South Side beat cop.  I really wanted to


           14              know where they were throughout the whole


           15              city, so if you could please clarify that


           16              and send him another letter for me I would


           17              appreciate it.


           18                      521 Maple Street that Mrs. Evans


           19              spoke about is scheduled for demolition.


           20              1101 Cedar, the last I was aware of the man


           21              received a variance and there is a dumpster


           22              there and he is supposed to be making


           23              repairs to that building.  I will call the


           24              gentleman and see what his intentions are,


           25              but the zoning board did give him a variance






            1              for 1101 Cedar.


            2                      I'd like thank the DPW for taking


            3              down a blighted structure at 29 -- I believe


            4              it's 2947 Pittston Avenue.  That was there


            5              for about seven years and it has been


            6              removed, and I would also like to know the


            7              status of 3244 Pittston Avenue.  I see that


            8              the gentleman has taken down all of the


            9              trees there, but I don't know what he is


           10              going to be doing with the structure.  I saw


           11              a contractor there today.


           12                      Also, I would like to know the


           13              status of 411 Corey Street, Rear 422 Fig


           14              Street that was burned down six months ago


           15              and 422 Fig Street in the front, and also


           16              612 Gibbons Street.  Those are all of the


           17              properties that I have been concerned about


           18              and asking questions.


           19                      I sent a letter to Andy Jarbola on


           20              July 23 concerning the old Tom and Jerry's


           21              on Pittston Avenue, I don't know what it's


           22              called now because they keep changing the


           23              name on the sign, but it certainly is not a


           24              restaurant.  We are still concerned there


           25              are police called there every weekend, I'd






            1              like to know if the police are writing


            2              reports because you can't close it as a


            3              nuisance unless you have police reports to


            4              back up it up for the LCB.  There are signs


            5              all over the building now selling beer, six


            6              packs are $8 and the whole one side has all


            7              "Beer For Sale" signs.


            8                      This is totally unacceptable.  It's


            9              supposed to be a restaurant and I don't


           10              understand why nobody is doing anything


           11              about it, but it's making me very angry that


           12              they are not.  So if you could send that to


           13              the mayor and the law department and whoever


           14              else has anything to do with it I certainly


           15              would appreciate it.


           16                      Also, I got some reports from people


           17              from the soccer league at the South Side


           18              Complex, no one wanted to give their names


           19              publically because they fear recrimination


           20              from the people that run the league, but


           21              they have been paying a certain person $450


           22              per team as a rental fee.  The person was


           23              telling them that they had to pay a rental


           24              fee and he was collecting the rental fee.  I


           25              called the University of Scranton and they






            1              said that no one pays anything to play at


            2              the South Side Complex.  I was hoping -- I


            3              did speak to the reporter about this


            4              situation, but he is very reluctant


            5              understandably without having people coming


            6              forward to say, "Yes, we did pay."


            7                      So I want the word out there to all


            8              of the Latinos that play there do not pay a


            9              penny to anyone.  The field is free and you


           10              should not be charged by anyone.


           11                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Mrs. Gatelli, I hate


           12              to interrupt you, but they are also paying


           13              $50 if they have a stand for selling food


           14              at.  I called Mark Dougher and he said the


           15              city is not taking anything.  I did call Rob


           16              Farrell, but he didn't return my call from


           17              the University.


           18                      MS. GATELLI:  He told me that you


           19              spoke to him.  It wasn't the first complaint


           20              he got.


           21                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Exactly, I --


           22                      MS. GATELLI: They are making money


           23              down there off of these people that they


           24              shouldn't be making and I know who the


           25              person is, but I don't want to say his name






            1              out loud, but he is involved in several of


            2              these things that I'm talking about.  He is


            3              involved in Tom and Jerry's, too, and it's


            4              not going to be tolerated.  If it's the last


            5              thing I do sitting up here, and I'll be


            6              back.  If I don't run I will be back and


            7              I'll be at that end of the podium, but my


            8              neighborhood is not going to be disrupted


            9              like this and those people shouldn't be


           10              exploited by someone when it's free.  That's


           11              a disgrace.


           12                      The next thing I have is the Castle


           13              Restaurant.  I know several years ago there


           14              was a problem up there with the after hours


           15              bar going on in the Castle in the basement,


           16              and I have since found out they are now


           17              giving free beer to the customers.  It used


           18              to be I think a BYOB down in this basement,


           19              and that was allowed, but I don't think that


           20              what they are doing now is allowed in that


           21              particular zone.  They are charging a $20


           22              cover charge and then giving free beer.


           23              It's okay with the LCB to do that, but I


           24              don't belive it falls under the zoning code,


           25              so if we could check with Mike Wallace and






            1              tell him that's what's been going on up at


            2              the Castle Restaurant.  I did notify Kevin


            3              Murphy's Office about the situation because


            4              he is right up in this corner so that he


            5              could know what's going on.


            6                      Also, if you remember back, oh, I


            7              guess it was over a year ago when they


            8              wanted to put a dance studio up on the top


            9              of Pittston Avenue, and it really became a


           10              debacle, as Mrs. Evans used the term before,


           11              they also had a radio station that they had


           12              installed a large antenna strapped onto the


           13              chimney of that building.  We did report it


           14              to the FCC and they were using a radio


           15              station from St. Mary's, Pennsylvania.  They


           16              were, you know, cutting in or pirating as


           17              the man used that phrase, pirating a


           18              station, and they are charging, from what I


           19              understand, people to advertise on this


           20              station which is illegal.  The radio station


           21              is illegal and it was dismantled.


           22                      From what I understand now it's up


           23              on Meadow Avenue in someone's yard and it's


           24              disrupting all of the neighbors with their


           25              televisions, you know, you get static from






            1              it and I did tell Mr. Wallace about it, but


            2              if we could, you know, reiterate that he


            3              should go up to Meadow Avenue and have these


            4              people stopped with this antenna and this


            5              radio station.  I did file a complaint with


            6              the FCC about it, so the neighbors will


            7              know.  You know, I don't know why the


            8              gentleman doesn't stop doing what he is


            9              doing, but he won't stop, so we'll have to


           10              just keep moving forward.


           11                      I sent a letter in July also to Mrs.


           12              Flynn-Vitali about the timeline for the


           13              money.  Needless to say, I'm very concerned


           14              about it.  I based a budget on what I was


           15              told would come to the city and it was a


           16              small amount.  Later we had read in the


           17              paper that we are supposed to get $7 million


           18              from the tax office.  I went to one meeting,


           19              down in the county with the county and the


           20              school district and, of course, I was


           21              representing city council, and we talked


           22              about going to Court and they all agreed


           23              about going to Court, that would be the


           24              quickest way to get the money, and then I


           25              was never called again for another meeting.






            1              So I don't know when they have the meetings


            2              or what they discuss at these meetings


            3              because I was never invited to another one.


            4                      I'm very disappointed that we are


            5              not getting any feedback and I don't know if


            6              we are getting the money.  I mean, I hope we


            7              are, but I don't seem to get an answer that


            8              they are even investigating it.


            9                      MS. EVANS: I think it may have been


           10              the last summer meeting when I had discussed


           11              her response to your letter and it seems


           12              that, if I may paraphrase here, Mr. McGovern


           13              and Mrs. Vitali feel it took a long time to


           14              get to the point at which they found


           15              themselves when they took over the tax


           16              office and they feel it could take quite a


           17              time to straighten all of this out, and so


           18              my concern as we left for the summer recess


           19              was what is the administration going to do


           20              to fill this budget hole.  It's a very deep


           21              hole and since the tax office, at least


           22              according to that letter, doesn't seem to be


           23              in a hurry to provide our funds what is


           24              going to happen with the 2009 budget?  What


           25              is the plan of the administration to cover






            1              that hole, and I haven't received any


            2              response on that.


            3                      MS. GATELLI: Maybe we could ask


            4              Mrs. Vitali-Flynn come next week or the week


            5              after with Mr. McGovern and find out exactly


            6              where they are at with it.


            7                      MS. FANUCCI: Good luck with that.


            8                      MS. GATELLI: Well, I can try, can't


            9              I?


           10                      MS. FANUCCI:  Yeah, you can ask.


           11                      MS. GATELLI: All right.  If you guys


           12              would be agreeable.  If they could at least


           13              come and maybe Stu can come with them.


           14                      MS. GARVEY: I don't know if you


           15              looked in your boxes tonight, there was an


           16              e-mail that I forward to you that I received


           17              late this afternoon from Attorney McGovern.


           18                      MS. GATELLI: No, I didn't see that.


           19                      MS. GARVEY:  There is hard copy in


           20              the boxes of your male, you should have it


           21              with you, and also the e-mail as well.  I


           22              can't remember exactly everything it said.


           23              It came with more comparisons for 2008 and


           24              there was some kind of a wording in there


           25              about --






            1                      MS. EVANS: The September


            2              comparisons.


            3                      MS. GARVEY: Yes, that's what I


            4              meant, the September ones.


            5                      MS. GATELLI: But there wasn't


            6              anything about our money?


            7                      MS. GARVEY:  There was a brief


            8              statement in there about what they were


            9              working on, what the workers were doing in


           10              the office to get this rolling, so I don't


           11              have it right in front of me --


           12                      MS. GATELLI: Also, if you could have


           13              them bring with them a list of all the


           14              workers and what their job is.  I mean, I


           15              don't even have any idea how many people


           16              work there.  I see in the agreement they are


           17              saying that the chief clerk is not going to


           18              be filled, someone is retiring and they are


           19              not going to fill the position, but yet they


           20              are going to hire a controller and a


           21              solicitor in the agreement.  You know, this


           22              is just a draft agreement, but it has to


           23              come before council and I was under the


           24              impression that there was an accountant


           25              working there, a chief accountant.  So, you






            1              know, I'd like to see how many people are


            2              working in that office and what their titles


            3              are.  And I don't think we should have a


            4              solicitor, it should be the city solicitor


            5              that takes care of that according to the


            6              state law, and that's all I have.


            7                      MR. MCGOFF: Mrs. Fanucci?


            8                      MS. FANUCCI: I want to say it's real


            9              fun being back.  First thing I want to do,


           10              Kay, I want to send a letter to OECD,


           11              obviously, asking them for a list of all of


           12              our loans and the current conditions of each


           13              that are outstanding as we speak.


           14                      I also would like a list from the


           15              past I'm going to say six years of what has


           16              transpired, if loans have been paid off, who


           17              paid them off, and everything that has gone


           18              on in that office for the past six years.


           19                      I'm not as outraged at the fact that


           20              people default on the loans because it


           21              happens all the time in business, as I am a


           22              little concerned about the fact that we


           23              weren't aware of it.  I think a lot of times


           24              if you are aware it's a little easier to


           25              have more input on what to do and how to






            1              proceed in the years to come, and I think


            2              that that's the issue, not the fact that you


            3              have businesses fail because, unfortunately,


            4              that's what happens in any situation.  We


            5              always have businesses make it or fail.


            6                      I don't want the people to suffer on


            7              account of a few bad people.  I mean, we


            8              have had people default for years under


            9              every administration, it's been going on,


           10              this isn't a new program, it's not something


           11              we just invented since Chris Doherty has


           12              been the mayor, so this has been common


           13              practice for years and years and,


           14              unfortunately, it is a gamble a lot of times


           15              and we want to be able to protect ourselves


           16              and make sure that we take a little bit of


           17              risk out, so that is something I think we


           18              should proceed and caution with, also.


           19                      I just want to say that, yeah, as


           20              far as who knew what, I mean, of course, my


           21              biggest fan, Les Spindler, got up tonight


           22              and blamed me for the fact that I should


           23              have known -- or maybe it wasn't Les, I


           24              don't know, I have so many fans it's tough


           25              to say so don't get upset, Les, if it wasn't






            1              you, that it was my fault and I should have


            2              known and I tend to agree.  I should have


            3              been aware.  I tend to agree.  So I will not


            4              dispute that fact I definitely should have


            5              been aware, and that is all I have and thank


            6              you and it's very nice being back and sad to


            7              see the summer go.


            8                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Just real briefly, I


            9              don't want to prolong the thing with the tax


           10              office, but as Mrs. Gatelli said there


           11              was -- they were saying that, you know, the


           12              Courts would settle and we would get the


           13              money from the tax office and, Mr. Minora, I


           14              believe you had told us that we were going


           15              to try to avoid the Court system and the


           16              lawyers were going to try decide on that,


           17              isn't that where we were?


           18                      MR. MINORA: Well, it was a


           19              combination of the two.  My thought that we


           20              talked about here was to file a declaratory


           21              judgment action and asking the Court to


           22              determine who is owed what, get everybody in


           23              a room and if, you know, and this is


           24              certainly not carved in stone, but as an


           25              example of how you might resolve it once you






            1              are in that setting is to say, well, you


            2              know, your population represents 30 percent


            3              of the whole population of, communities we


            4              are talking about, and yours is 10 and 20,


            5              and so why don't we just divide up that


            6              money that way and get the Court's approval


            7              of that and an agreement of council that


            8              could be done.


            9                      And the only reason I'm suggesting


           10              that procedure, not necessarily that that's


           11              how you divide it up, but that procedure is


           12              from what I understand the actual tracking


           13              of who paid what is a nightmare that might


           14              take years in an effort to unravel and still


           15              not be able to do, so at the end of the day,


           16              you know, next month or five years from now


           17              they are liable to have to come to some kind


           18              of --


           19                      MS. GATELLI: Formula.


           20                      MR. MINORA: -- reasonable formula to


           21              decide, so by doing it in front of a Court


           22              with an action pending, you know, you have


           23              an official stamp, so to speak, by judgment,


           24              by agreement and an oversight of the judge.


           25                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  I thought we said






            1              we would like to see that happen.


            2                      MR. MINORA: Yes.


            3                      MS. FANUCCI:  We did.


            4                      MS. GATELLI: But they all dropped


            5              it.


            6                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  We are not pursuing


            7              it or -- -


            8                      MS. GATELLI: No, they all dropped


            9              it.


           10                      MR. MINORA:  Honestly, I don't know.


           11              I mean, anybody who has spoken to me about


           12              it I explained what I thought would be the


           13              way to --


           14                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  How do we pursue


           15              it?  We, as council?


           16                      MR. MINORA:  I don't think we can at


           17              council.


           18                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Who do we ask to


           19              pursue it?  We've got to get this money.


           20                      MR. MINORA:  The mayor and the


           21              solicitor can start an action, but frankly,


           22              unless everybody else kind of joins in --


           23                      MS. GATELLI: I'm telling you the


           24              first meeting they all agreed, it was all


           25              hunky-dorey, I said it here right after that






            1              meeting.


            2                      MR. COURTRIGHT: The fact remains we


            3              got a serious problem if we don't get this


            4              money, it's as simple as that.


            5                      MR. MINORA:  I presume every


            6              community does.


            7                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  But maybe we


            8              can send a letter to the city solicitor and


            9              ask her, you know, if they are still willing


           10              to entertain this.


           11                      MR. MINORA:  I'll call Attorney


           12              Patterson.


           13                      MS. GATELLI: Please.  Please.


           14                      MS. EVANS: You were not -- I know


           15              Mrs. Gatelli was saying she was discluded


           16              from these meetings after the first meeting,


           17              you are the new tax collector, you are


           18              included?


           19                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I'm not allowed to


           20              attend anything.  They don't want me there I


           21              don't think.


           22                      MS. FANUCCI: Well, you should be


           23              there.


           24                      MR. COURTRIGHT: They won't included


           25              me in the meetings.






            1                      MS. GATELLI: So you can learn.


            2                      MR. COURTRIGHT: And even if not at


            3              the meeting if someone went in from the tax


            4              office as a council member, if they give a


            5              reason for it --


            6                      MS. GATELLI: Well, I was there but


            7              then they never called me again either.


            8                      MS. EVANS: But it seems not that,


            9              you know, I don't appreciate the input of


           10              people that have worked there now for over a


           11              year, certainly they bring their own


           12              experiences to the table, but they are on


           13              their way out and it would seem that, you


           14              know, the person who is going to be


           15              overseeing all of this for the next four


           16              years should have as much input as the


           17              people who are on the way out.


           18                      MS. GATELLI: The transition even.


           19                      MS. EVANS: And they should work


           20              together in a transition, exactly.


           21                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I would like to be


           22              included.  There has been some member of the


           23              county that have told me what's going on and


           24              one or two members of the school board has


           25              told me what's going on because they have






            1              meetings about what's going on over there


            2              and it was suggested that I attend the


            3              meetings, but there is someone resisting to


            4              having me there, I guess.  I'm not quite


            5              sure who.


            6                      MS. GATELLI:  You are in good


            7              company, so.


            8                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Sorry.


            9                      MS. GATELLI: Even though some


           10              wouldn't agree with that.


           11                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Okay.  I'm not going


           12              to say anything.  I'm off the tax office for


           13              now.  Mrs. Gatelli caught me offguard there,


           14              okay.


           15                      On a good note, I got a call from a


           16              woman from North Scranton and asked me to


           17              bring this up, she had a check stolen from


           18              her and she called the police and Officer


           19              John Halpern responded and took the


           20              information, and he didn't let it go.  He


           21              stood on top of it and I believe it was a


           22              month or two later he caught the person that


           23              stole the check and she got her money


           24              returned to her.  So I would, you know,


           25              John, job well done.  The lady was just






            1              ecstatic.


            2                      MS. EVANS: Excellent.


            3                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So he didn't just


            4              take the report, he took the report and


            5              followed up on it and he did a good job and


            6              she is extremely happy, so we want to thank


            7              Officer John Halpern for that.


            8                      And one other officer, another


            9              officer Tommy Lee, I actually had a guy seek


           10              me out, he found out where -- I only go one


           11              place on Saturday morning to have a coffee,


           12              he found out where I go and to come and


           13              thank me because Officer Tommy Lee went to


           14              his house on the corner of Slader and North


           15              Hyde Park, there is vehicles there that were


           16              in bad condition that needed to be towed,


           17              but more importantly there was house that


           18              was so bad he called the inspectors and I


           19              believe they evicted the people then and


           20              there and the people in the neighborhood are


           21              just very, very happy, so I want to thank


           22              Officer Tommy Lee for that.


           23                      And I'll leave it on a good note


           24              then, that's all I have.  Thank you.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.  5-B.






            1                      MS. GARVEY: 5- B. FOR INTRODUCTION -




            3              ONLY IN THE 700 BLOCK OF EAST OLIVE STREET


            4              FROM MADISON AVENUE TO MOIR COURT.


            5                      MR. MCGOFF:  At this time I'll


            6              entertain a motion that Item 5-B be


            7              introduced into it's proper committee.


            8                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.


            9                      MS. FANUCCI:  Second.


           10                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


           11              in favor signify by saying aye.


           12                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           13                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           14                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           15                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           16                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           17              ayes have it and so moved.


           18                      MS. GARVEY: 5-C. AN ORDINANCE - TO


           19              APPROVE AND ACCEPT THE CITY OF SCRANTON'S


           20              UPDATE FOR 2010 FOR THE CAPITAL BUDGET


           21              IMPROVEMENT PLAN OF 2008, WHICH IS THE




           23              2008 FIVE-YEAR PLAN.


           24                      MR. MCGOFF:  At this time I'll


           25              entertain a motion that Item 5-C be






            1              introduced into it's proper committee.


            2                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.


            3                      MS. FANUCCI:  Second.


            4                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?


            5                      MS. EVANS: Yes.  As has been the


            6              case so often throughout the years, the


            7              capital budget presented by the mayor is in


            8              violation of Section 904 of the Home Rule


            9              Charter, so I will be voting "no" and I will


           10              elaborate on that in the future as the


           11              legislation proceeds through council orders.


           12                      MR. MCGOFF: All those in favor of


           13              introduction signify by saying aye.


           14                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           15                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           16                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           17                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?


           18                      MS. EVANS: No.


           19                      MR. MCGOFF: The ayes have it and so


           20              moved.


           21                      MS. GARVEY: 5-D. FOR INTRODUCTION -


           22              AN ORDINANCE - AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND
















            3              BLOCK GRANT (CDBG) PROGRAM, HOME INVESTMENT




            5              SHELTER GRANT (ESG) PROGRAM.


            6                      MR. MCGOFF:  At this time I'll


            7              entertain a motion that Item 5-D be


            8              introduced into it's proper committee.


            9                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.


           10                      MS. FANUCCI:  Second.


           11                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question I would


           12              just like to reiterate what Mrs. Evans said


           13              before to one of the speakers that what has


           14              been submitted to us will be reviewed and as


           15              in the past I'm sure that there be revisions


           16              made to the proposal and in the near future


           17              those will be read into the minutes as an


           18              amendment and I think the final -- there is


           19              a 30-day waiting period on the final vote,


           20              so that there is plenty of time for


           21              revisions to be made in this program.


           22              Anyone else on the question?  All those in


           23              favor of introduction signify by saying aye.


           24                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           25                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.






            1                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


            2                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


            3                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


            4              ayes have it and so moved.


            5                      MR. MINORA:  We actually need two


            6              motions for public hearing, one for 5-C and


            7              one for 5-D.


            8                      MR. MCGOFF: I forget, I'm sorry.  I


            9              would like to make a motion to authorize the


           10              city clerk to place an ad summarizing the


           11              proposed capital budget and to identify


           12              places where the copies of the capital


           13              budget can be obtained and inspected.


           14                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.


           15                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


           16              in favor signify by saying aye.


           17                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           18                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           19                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           20                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           21                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           22              ayes have it and so moved.


           23                      And the second motion I'd like to


           24              move that we schedule a public hearing for


           25              Tuesday, September 22, 2009, at 6:00 p.m.






            1                      MR. MINORA: This would be for the


            2              capital budget.


            3                      MR. MCGOFF: For the capital budget,


            4              I'm sorry.  Let me change it, I'll revise


            5              it.  I move that we schedule a public


            6              hearing for the capital budget for Tuesday,


            7              September 22, 2009, at 6:00 p.m.


            8                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Second.


            9                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


           10              in favor signify by saying aye.


           11                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           12                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           13                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           14                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           15                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           16              ayes have it and so moved.


           17                      MR. MINORA: One more for 5-D.


           18                      MR. MCGOFF: Okay, where are we at


           19              here?  I'd like to make a motion we schedule


           20              a public hearing on the CDBG legislation for


           21              Tuesday, September 15, 2009, at 6:00 p.m.


           22                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


           24              in favor signify by saying aye.


           25                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.






            1                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


            2                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


            3                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


            4                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


            5              ayes have it and so moved.


            6                      MS. GARVEY: 5-E.  FOR INTRODUCTION -


            7              AN ORDINANCE - AMENDING FILE OF COUNCIL NO.


            8              49, 2006 AS AMENDED ENTITLED, "AN ORDINANCE




           10              OFFICIALS OF THE CITY OF SCRANTON TO TAKE










           15              GRANT (CDBG) PROGRAM, HOME INVESTMENT




           17              SHELTER GRANT (ESG) PROGRAM", BY


           18              TRANSFERRING $241,000.00 FROM PROJECT 07-225


           19              SLIBCO TO PROJECT 05-154 FRIENDSHIP HOUSE.


           20                      MR. MCGOFF:  At this time I'll


           21              entertain a motion that Item 5-E be


           22              introduced into it's proper committee.


           23                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.


           24                      MS. FANUCCI:  Second.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All






            1              in favor signify by saying aye.


            2                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


            3                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


            4                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


            5                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


            6                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


            7              ayes have it and so moved.


            8                      MS. GARVEY: 5-F.  FOR INTRODUCTION -




           10              SPECIAL CITY ACCOUNT NO. 02.229594 ENTITLED


           11              "BJA FY 09 RECOVERY ACT EDWARD BYRNE




           13              LOCAL SOLICITATION".


           14                      MR. MCGOFF:  At this time I'll


           15              entertain a motion that Item 5-F be


           16              introduced into it's proper committee.


           17                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.


           18                      MS. FANUCCI:  Second.


           19                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


           20              in favor signify by saying aye.


           21                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           22                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           23                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           24                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The






            1              ayes have it and so moved.


            2                      MS. GARVEY: 5-G.  FOR INTRODUCTION -


            3              AN ORDINANCE - AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND




            5              FUNDS FROM THE BJA FY 09 RECOVERY ACT EDWARD




            7              (JAG) PROGRAM LOCAL SOLICITATION IN THE


            8              AMOUNT OF $264,201.00 AND DISBURSE SAID


            9              FUNDS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE GRANT


           10              APPLICATION.


           11                      MR. MCGOFF:  At this time I'll


           12              entertain a motion that Item 5-G be


           13              introduced into it's proper committee.


           14                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.


           15                      MS. FANUCCI:  Second.


           16                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


           17              in favor signify by saying aye.


           18                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           19                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           20                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           21                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           22                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           23              ayes have it and so moved.


           24                      MS. EVANS: Kay, prior to the reading


           25              of Item 5-H, I move to table Item 5-H.






            1                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.


            2                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?


            3                      MS. EVANS: I'm sorry, I don't want


            4              to table Lackawanna County bridge, sorry.


            5              Wrong one.  I'm looking for the next one,


            6              5-I. Mea Culpa.


            7                      MS. GARVEY: 5-H.  FOR INTRODUCTION -


            8              A RESOLUTION - AMENDING RESOLUTION 122, 2009








           12              AGREEMENT NO. 040809-F WITH THE COMMONWEALTH


           13              OF PENNSYLVANIA, DEPARTMENT OF












           19              FORTH ON EXHIBIT "AAAAAAA" PROJECT COSTS




           21              040809-F.


           22                      MR. MCGOFF:  At this time I'll


           23              entertain a motion that Item 5-H be


           24              introduced into it's proper committee.


           25                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.






            1                      MS. FANUCCI:  Second.


            2                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


            3              in favor signify by saying aye.


            4                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


            5                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


            6                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


            7                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


            8                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


            9              ayes have it and so moved.


           10                      MS. EVANS: Now prior to reading Item


           11              5-A, I move to table Item 5-A.


           12                      MR. COURTRIGHT: "I."


           13                      MR. MCGOFF: 5-I.


           14                      MS. EVANS: 5-I.


           15                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.  We'll get


           16              it.


           17                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?  I


           18              would just like to say that I hope that


           19              Mrs. Aebli comes soon to a meeting, at a


           20              time when we sorely need community


           21              development and economic development here we


           22              are, you know, stagnating development again


           23              and I don't think it's a good course to


           24              take, but hopefully she will appear soon and


           25              we can move on with the needed legislation.






            1                      MS. EVANS: And I just want to


            2              reiterate, this is certainly not to say that


            3              all of our loans are risky are have been bad


            4              loans, and it's not a reflection on those


            5              who are currently applying or the


            6              individuals contained in this particular


            7              piece of legislation, the problem lies with


            8              the false information or lack of any


            9              information provided by OECD, and so I'm


           10              sure once that has been rectified the


           11              legislation will come to council again and


           12              move on.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF: The motion is to table


           14              5-I, all in favor?  All in favor signify by


           15              saying aye.


           16                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           17                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           18                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           19                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           20                      MR. MCGOFF:  Opposed?  No. The ayes


           21              have it and so moved.


           22                      MS. GARVEY: 5-J. FOR INTRODUCTION -






           25              THE TAX COLLECTION COMMITTEE ("TCC")






            1              PURSUANT TO ACT 32 OF 2008.


            2                      MR. MCGOFF:  At this time I'll


            3              entertain a motion that Item 5-J be


            4              introduced into it's proper committee.


            5                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.


            6                      MS. FANUCCI:  Second.


            7                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


            8              in favor signify by saying aye.


            9                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           10                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           11                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           12                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           14              ayes have it and so moved.


           15                      MS. GARVEY: SIXTH ORDER.  6-A.


           16              READING BY TITLE - FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 79,


           17              2009 -  AN ORDINANCE - CREATING AND






           20              DEVELOPMENT ("OECD") TITLED NEIGHBORHOOD


           21              STABILIZATION PROGRAM ("NSP") ACCOUNT NO.


           22              9A.0101 FOR THE RECEIPT AND DISBURSEMENT OF






           25              ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ("DCED").






            1                      MR. MCGOFF: You have heard reading


            2              by title of Item 6-A, what is your pleasure?


            3                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I move that Item 6-A


            4              pass reading by title.


            5                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.


            6                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


            7              those in favor signify by saying aye.


            8                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


            9                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           10                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           11                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           12                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           13              ayes have it and so moved.


           14                      MS. GARVEY: 6-B. READING BY TITLE -


           15              FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 80, 2009 - AN ORDINANCE


           16              - CREATING AND ESTABLISHING A NEW ACCOUNT


           17              FOR THE CITY OF SCRANTON'S OFFICE OF


           18              ECONOMIC AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT ("OECD")




           20              BLOCK GRANT PROGRAM ACCOUNT NO. 10A.0101 FOR






           23              OF ENERGY ("DOE").


           24                      MR. MCGOFF: You have heard reading


           25              by title of Item 6-B, what is your pleasure.






            1                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I move that Item 6-B


            2              pass reading by title.


            3                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.


            4                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


            5              those in favor signify by saying aye.


            6                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


            7                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


            8                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


            9                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           10                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           11              ayes have it and so moved.


           12                      MS. GARVEY:  SEVENTH ORDER.  7-A.




           14              - FOR ADOPTION - FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 78,


           15              2009 - AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND OTHER






           18              F. MARTINO, D.D., BISHOP OF THE DIOCESE OF


           19              SCRANTON, PENNSYLVANIA, TRUSTEE FOR THE


           20              FORMER HOLY CROSS CONGREGATION, AND ITS


           21              PRESENT SUCCESSOR CONGREGATION, ST.




           23              THE CITY OF SCRANTON, APPROVING AND












            2              THE CITY OF SCRANTON AND TO EXECUTE ANY AND


            3              ALL OTHER DOCUMENTS NECESSARY FOR THE


            4              CLOSING OF THIS TRANSACTION.


            5                      MR. MCGOFF: As Chair for the


            6              Committee on Rules, I recommend final


            7              passage of Item 7-A.


            8                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.


            9                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  I


           10              would just like to say that we have


           11              discussed this repeatedly over the couple of


           12              weeks that it's been on the agenda, during


           13              caucus tonight it was said by members of the


           14              Heritage Association that they were willing


           15              to work with the Diocese to find a more


           16              suitable use of the Holy Cross Church rather


           17              than the demolition of it.  With that said


           18              and with the assurance that, you know,


           19              something practical can be done and that


           20              there is some type of plan for the use of


           21              Holy Cross Church, I would think it's a


           22              better option than what we have been


           23              presented with as far as the demolition.


           24              Perhaps in the future it may come back to


           25              this, but at least I think we have some






            1              assurances that over the course of time


            2              something better will emerge.  Roll call,


            3              please?


            4                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.


            5                      MS. EVANS:  No.


            6                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Gatelli.


            7                      MS. GATELLI.  No.


            8                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.


            9                      MS. FANUCCI:  No.


           10                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. Courtright.


           11                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  No.


           12                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF: No. Item 7-A is


           14              defeated.


           15                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Motion to adjourn.


           16                      MS. FANUCCI: So moved.


           17                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you for your


           18              participation and see you next week.
























            3                     C E R T I F I C A T E




            5        I hereby certify that the proceedings and


            6   evidence are contained fully and accurately in the


            7   notes of testimony taken by me at the hearing of the


            8   above-captioned matter and that the foregoing is a true


            9   and correct transcript of the same to the best of my


           10   ability.







                                    CATHENE S. NARDOZZI, RPR

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