1              SCRANTON CITY COUNCIL MEETING








            5                          HELD:




            7                   Tuesday, July 14, 2009




            9                        LOCATION:


           10                    Council Chambers


           11                 Scranton City Hall


           12              340 North Washington Avenue


           13                Scranton, Pennsylvania











































                MS. JANET E. EVANS



            9   MS. SHERRY FANUCCI



                MR. WILLIAM COURTRIGHT



           12   MS. KAY GARVEY, CITY CLERK

                (Not present)





           15   MR. AMIL MINORA, SOLICITOR


























            1   (Pledge of Allegiance recited and moment of reflection


            2   observed.)


            3                      MR. MCGOFF:  Roll call, please.


            4                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.


            5                      MS. EVANS:  Here.


            6                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Gatelli.


            7                      MS. GATELLI:  Here.


            8                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.


            9                      MS. FANUCCI:  Here.


           10                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. Courtright.


           11                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Here.


           12                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF:  Here.  Dispense with


           14              the reading of the minutes.  Third Order.


           15                      MR. MINORA: APPLICATIONS AND




           17              BOARD HELD ON JULY 8, 2009.


           18                      MR. MCGOFF: Are there any comments?


           19              If not, received and filed.  I would like to


           20              say that once again we are going to change


           21              the order as we did last week and allow


           22              citizens' participation on agenda items


           23              first and then we will move to Fifth Order.


           24              Any announcements from council?


           25                      MS. EVANS: Yes.  Please remember in






            1              your prayers this week Mr. Tom Lagrail, my


            2              good friend who took a serious fall and is


            3              hospitalized in Thomas Jefferson University


            4              Hospital.  This elderly gentleman has


            5              volunteered at St. Ann's Novena for more


            6              years that I can remember and in all weather


            7              he has walked from his home in Taylor to St.


            8              Ann's to faithfully serve the basilica and


            9              it's people.  I hope that Tom gets well very


           10              soon and he will be sorely missed at this


           11              summer's Novena.


           12                      There will be a free swim this


           13              Sunday, July 19, 2009, from 12 noon until of


           14              6:00 p.m. at Nay Aug.  This includes the


           15              slide and swimming for children 15 and


           16              under.  That's this Sunday free swimming at


           17              Nay Aug for children 15 and under.


           18                      The annual nine-day solemn novena to


           19              St. Ann will be conducted this Friday,


           20              July 17 through Sunday, July 26, at ST.


           21              Ann's Basilica in West Scranton.  This


           22              magnificent basilica is one of very few in


           23              the nation and it's annual Novena draws


           24              visitors from throughout Pennsylvania and


           25              our neighboring original states.  The annual






            1              novena is an inspirational comforting


            2              experience for many area residents each July


            3              and we warmly welcome everyone to our city.


            4              That's all.


            5                      MS. GATELLI:  I just have a few


            6              announcements.  First, I'd like everyone to


            7              keep in their prayers a very special person,


            8              Attorney Mark McGrath, who passed away.  His


            9              sister works at city hall, Judy McGrath, and


           10              I would like to express council's


           11              condolences to the family and friends.  He


           12              was a wonderful, kind person and I'm sure he


           13              is with the angels right now.


           14                      The second thing I have is I got a


           15              message from one of my neighbors that


           16              children were circulating in the Connell


           17              Park area asking for donations for Connell


           18              Park.  There is no such drive going on, so I


           19              would like to alert the neighbors in this


           20              area not to give to children saying they are


           21              asking for money for Connell Park.  There is


           22              no such drive going on.


           23                      The last thing is, you know, our


           24              former reporter, Stacy Brown, was a good


           25              friend of Michael Jackson for better or for






            1              worse, but he coauthored a book called "The


            2              Man Behind the Mask," and I spoke to Paul


            3              over at Outrageous and he was so kind as to


            4              let us use the Anthology Book Store and next


            5              Tuesday evening, the 21st, from 6 to 8,


            6              Stacy will be signing his books in the


            7              Anthology Book Store, so everyone is welcome


            8              and certainly invited to be there, and


            9              that's all I have.  Thank you, Mr. McGoff.


           10                      MS. FANUCCI: Today is very special


           11              day, ECTV, our own Anthony, who runs the


           12              cameras back there, it's his 21st birthday,


           13              and I just want to say Happy Birthday on


           14              behalf of council, Anthony.


           15                      MS. EVANS: Happy birthday.


           16                      MR. MCGOFF: Fourth order.  Citizens'


           17              participation on agenda items.  Anyone?


           18                      MR. SBARAGLIA: Andy Sbaraglia,


           19              citizen of Scranton.  Fellow Scrantonians,


           20              on your agenda items 5-D, there is 60 spaces


           21              being vacated by this city for the


           22              university of Scranton, parking spaces.


           23              They say 28 meters, but actually a lot of


           24              them are double meters so they add up, so it


           25              added up to 60.  Does anybody know how much






            1              revenue the city is going to lose over them


            2              parking spaces?


            3                      MR. MCGOFF: I don't have a number on


            4              that.


            5                      MS. FANUCCI: I did have an exact


            6              number, I can tell had you it was very low.


            7              I believe it was under like $1,000 a year --


            8              for a year and a half worth of the revenue,


            9              but also remember because it's the


           10              University it's only part-time.  The


           11              students aren't here all summer, so you


           12              weren't making revenue all year like you


           13              would at a downtown meter.


           14                      MR. SBARAGLIA: But there is


           15              businesses along that road that people park


           16              to use.


           17                      MS. FANUCCI: Right.  Yeah.  No


           18              doubt.


           19                      MR. SBARAGLIA: So they are no longer


           20              going to be parking spaces, no longer going


           21              to be available apparently for them unless


           22              they have their own?  But I guess you saw


           23              all looked into that and the master plans


           24              when they come forward all of these great


           25              ideas, and they said they are putting new






            1              turning lanes, I can see it.  As long as


            2              they don't change actually the distance


            3              between one curb and the other curb because


            4              you are talking about sidewalks expansion of


            5              sidewalks.


            6                      Now, I hope they are not expanding


            7              onto the roadway, but expanding on their own


            8              property and, of course, our common


            9              property.


           10                      MS. FANUCCI: Andy, I don't know how


           11              you feel about the street, but I feel that


           12              anything to slow down traffic on Mulberry


           13              Street, you know, instead of the way it's


           14              been running.


           15                      MR. SBARAGLIA: I'm not saying that.


           16              I'm not saying the safety issues --


           17                      MS. FANUCCI: No, I was --


           18                      MR. SBARAGLIA: I'm just saying that


           19              this is also used --


           20                      MS. SCHUMACHER: Marie Schumacher,


           21              city resident, member of the Taxpayers'


           22              Association.  I believe I have the correct


           23              one as 5-D authorizing revision of the


           24              existing traffic signals.  I am very


           25              definitely opposed to this.  If you will --






            1              many of you will recall that the zoning


            2              commission as a condition of the mini-mart


            3              at Meadow and River Street said that a


            4              traffic signal had to be put in within two


            5              to three years of following the opening.


            6              That never happened and when I followed up


            7              Mr. Parker told me it was because of the now


            8              infamous timing, traffic timing, that it was


            9              tied in there.  You get off 81 and come down


           10              throughout city and they couldn't -- they


           11              couldn't do anything with the timing until


           12              all of this timing -- the whole thing was


           13              finished.


           14                      Well, if they couldn't make it an


           15              exception for the residents of East Mountain


           16              I don't think we should make an exception


           17              for the University of Scranton.  I think it


           18              would be a great time to use this as an


           19              impetus to get the city off their butts, and


           20              we have already had one extension of that


           21              ten-year project, to do the timing and


           22              change the lights in the city.  If you will


           23              recall at the end of last year that had to


           24              be -- toward the end of last year that had


           25              to be extended because the ten-year grant






            1              had expired and still nothing is happening.


            2              The only thing that's happened is we keep


            3              funneling money down to a contractor in


            4              Allentown I believe it is for study after


            5              study and we get nothing.


            6                      I was cat sitting over the weekend


            7              and you go down Mulberry Street and you stop


            8              at every single signal and it's ridiculous.


            9              That timing study should be done and this


           10              Mulberry Street should be part of it.  Do I


           11              get three minutes on each, each item?


           12                      MR. MCGOFF:  No.


           13                      MS. SCHUMACHER: You are kidding?


           14                      MR. MCGOFF: Three minutes on the


           15              agenda.


           16                      MS. SCHUMACHER: Total?


           17                      MR. MCGOFF: Yes.


           18                      Ms. SCHUMACHER: Okay, I'll speak to


           19              the agenda items later then.  Thank you.


           20                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.  Anyone else?


           21                      MR. DOBRZYN: Good morning, Council.


           22              Dave Dobrzyn, local resident, member of the


           23              taxpayers.  I'd like to talk about 5-G here.


           24              Awhile back I had an idea about some of


           25              these closed churches and so forth, and I






            1              think instead of tearing them down they


            2              should look for a community purpose for


            3              them.  They would make a great source of


            4              community halls and so forth.


            5                      And on 5-I I certainly hope that


            6              some kind of construction could result from


            7              nearly three-quarters of a million dollars


            8              instead of another study that comes up with


            9              a bunch of unattainable goals that really


           10              don't go anywhere, and so I'll catch you


           11              later.  Thank you.


           12                      MR. MCGOFF: 5-B, please.


           13                      MR. MINORA: 5-B. FOR INTRODUCTION -






           16              MULBERRY STREET FROM THE 400 BLOCK OF




           18              COURT TO RIGHT TURN MOVEMENT ONLY.


           19                      MR. MCGOFF:  At this time I'll


           20              entertain a motion that Item 5-B be


           21              introduced into it's proper committee.


           22                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.


           23                      MS. FANUCCI:  Second.


           24                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?


           25                      MR. COURTRIGHT: On the question --






            1              I'm sorry, Mrs. Evans.  I was here Thursday


            2              to look for the agenda, I was here Friday to


            3              look for the agenda and this -- I don't know


            4              when they sent this down, but it had to be


            5              sometime after Friday and I wasn't here


            6              yesterday, so I'm just reading it now.  I'll


            7              vote to move it into the next order, but I


            8              got to read this.  There is a lot of stuff


            9              here that I haven't even had an opportunity


           10              to look at, so it's an ordinance and it has


           11              three readings, I'll vote to move it ahead,


           12              but like I said, I don't know when they sent


           13              this down.  I was here Thursday and Friday,


           14              it wasn't here either day unless they sent


           15              it down late in the day Friday.


           16                      MS. GATELLI:  It has to be here by


           17              4:00.


           18                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Supposed to be here


           19              by 10:00 Thursday, you know.


           20                      MS. EVANS: Thursday at sundown.


           21                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I mean, I'm here


           22              Thursday looking for an agenda and I'm here


           23              Friday, I thought I had everything, but


           24              there is an awful lot of information in here


           25              and it appears to me what they are looking






            1              to do is just so the people when they coming


            2              out they don't cross the double lane to make


            3              it a little safer, but I will vote to move


            4              it ahead, but I got to look at this before I


            5              make my final vote.


            6                      MR. MCGOFF: Mrs. Evans?


            7                      MS. EVANS: Three ordinances today,


            8              5-B, 5-C and D seek city council approval


            9              for the benefit of the University's Mulberry


           10              Street scape project and, for the record, I


           11              favor any measures that improve pedestrian


           12              and safety -- or rather traffic safety.  At


           13              the same time, however, I learned that the


           14              University intends to install improvement


           15              lighting on select blocks in the Hill


           16              Section where student housing is located.


           17              Longtime homeowners and taxpayers of these


           18              Hill Section blocks were notified by letter


           19              regarding the light installations which will


           20              be placed in front of taxpayers' homes.  In


           21              fact, one homeowner reports that the


           22              University will place two streetlights in


           23              front of her home.


           24                      Some residents state that the city


           25              streetlights currently in place provide more






            1              than sufficient lighting and are very upset


            2              that the University has the authority to do


            3              this to their homes and shine these period


            4              lights into their homes throughout the


            5              nighttime hours.  When homeowners contacted


            6              the mayor's office, they were told to call


            7              the University of Scranton.  I understand


            8              the University's intentions are positive in


            9              that it hopes to provide lighting to


           10              increase safety and beautify it's


           11              surrounding campus, however, I am very


           12              worried by the lack of concern for Scranton


           13              homeowners and taxpayers demonstrated by the


           14              University, likely the largest nonprofit in


           15              our city.  I believe the University has the


           16              obligation to sit down with the neighbors,


           17              listen to their concerns and address them


           18              appropriately.


           19                      I will vote to introduce these


           20              measures today, but I am asking that the


           21              University talk to it's residential


           22              neighbors and solve this issue.  So, Neil, I


           23              would like a letter sent to Father Pilarz


           24              requesting a meeting between University


           25              officials and the residents of the 300 block






            1              of North Irving Avenue regarding the effects


            2              of period lighting on their homes.


            3                      Now, if that situation can be


            4              satisfied prior to the final reading of


            5              these ordinances, then I will be approving


            6              them.  However, if this meeting does not


            7              take place and if the homeowner's concerns


            8              are not addressed, then I will not be


            9              approved these measures.


           10                      MS. GATELLI:  I didn't get a chance


           11              either to peruse the material, but my


           12              impression was that it was a Mulberry Street


           13              project, so I don't know anything about --


           14                      MS. EVANS: That was mine also.


           15                      MS. GATELLI: -- North Irving Avenue


           16              getting lights.


           17                      MS. EVANS: Six blocks of Mulberry


           18              Street from Jefferson to North --


           19                      MS. GATELLI: To Webster.


           20                      MS. EVANS: However, residents on the


           21              avenues that are closely located to Mulberry


           22              Street received these letters hand-delivered


           23              from the University of Scranton saying that


           24              lighting was going to be installed on their


           25              properties, and they were naturally --






            1                      MS. GATELLI: Not on Mulberry.


            2                      MS. EVANS: No, on their properties


            3              and they were very upset by that because


            4              they are not opposed to the project, but


            5              they are opposed to having lights shining


            6              into their homes all night.


            7                      MS. FANUCCI: Right, maybe what they


            8              can do what they did with the city lights


            9              which is have like a type of dimmer a night


           10              where it really just goes down and it's more


           11              of a-- you know, not so bright and probably


           12              won't be a deterrent to them so maybe that


           13              could be something to talk about it the.


           14                      MS. EVANS: That well could be an


           15              answer, but the University needs to sit down


           16              with those people and explain what their


           17              intentions are.


           18                      MS. FANUCCI: Right.


           19                      MS. EVANS: And then address the


           20              concerns of those residence because they are


           21              taxpayers.


           22                      MS. GATELLI:  And if they don't want


           23              the lights, I know a lot of people that


           24              would like them.


           25                      MS. FANUCCI: Yeah.






            1                      MS. GATELLI: Most people


            2              neighborhood people want lighting.  I find


            3              that very strange that neighborhood people


            4              wouldn't lighting.  I wish I had four more


            5              on my street.  I do, I find that really


            6              unusual, but --


            7                      MS. EVANS: I don't know that I'd


            8              want it in front of my home, but --


            9                      MS. GATELLI:  Oh, I'd want it front


           10              of my home.


           11                      MS. EVANS: -- shining in all


           12              evening.


           13                      MS. GATELLI: Well, you put the


           14              blinds down.  It deters crime.  It's proven


           15              to deter crime.


           16                      MR. MCGOFF: We are on 5-B.


           17                      MS. GATELLI: But they should be


           18              considered, I agree with you there.


           19                      MR. MCGOFF: All those in favor


           20              signify by saying aye.


           21                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           22                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           23                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           24                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The






            1              ayes have it and so moved.


            2                      MR. MINORA: 5-C. FOR INTRODUCTION -


            3              AN ORDINANCE --


            4                      MR. MCGOFF: I'm sorry, Attorney


            5              Minora, do we need to make a motion --


            6                      MR. MINORA: Yes.


            7                      MR. MCGOFF: I know it was just


            8              introduced, there is a possibility that a


            9              public hearing would be needed if, in fact,


           10              this were to move forward so at this point


           11              in time I guess tentatively I'll make a


           12              motion that we schedule a public hearing for


           13              5-B on July 28 at 9:45.


           14                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.


           15                      MR. MCGOFF: And authorize the city


           16              clerk to place the necessary ad.


           17                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.


           18                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


           19              in favor signify by saying aye.


           20                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           21                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           22                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           23                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           24                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           25              ayes have it and so moved.  I'm sorry.






            1                      MR. MINORA:  That's all right.  5-C.


            2              FOR INTRODUCTION -  AN ORDINANCE -


            3              ESTABLISHING "NO PARKING" ZONES ALONG THE




            5              STREET (S.R. 3027) FOR TURNING LANES AT




            7              AVENUE AND NORTH WEBSTER AVENUE, AS MORE




            9              HERETO, TO ALLOW FOR SAFE SITE DISTANCE AS




           11              TRANSPORTATION.


           12                      MR. MCGOFF:  At this time I'll


           13              entertain a motion that Item 5-C be


           14              introduced into it's proper committee.


           15                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.


           16                      MS. FANUCCI:  Second.


           17                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


           18              those in favor signify by saying aye.


           19                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           20                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           21                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           22                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           24              ayes have it and so moved.


           25                      MR. MINORA: 5-D.  FOR INTRODUCTION -










            3              STREET (S.R. 3027) FROM THE INTERSECTION OF






            6              WEBSTER AVENUE FOR THE UNIVERSITY OF




            8              PROJECT.


            9                      MR. MCGOFF:  At this time I'll


           10              entertain a motion that Item 5-D be


           11              introduced into it's proper committee.


           12                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.


           13                      MS. FANUCCI:  Second.


           14                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


           15              in favor signify by saying aye.


           16                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           17                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           18                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           19                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           20                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           21              ayes have it and so moved.


           22                      MR. MINORA: 5-E. FOR INTRODUCTION -


           23              AN ORDINANCE - AMENDING FILE OF COUNCIL NO.


           24              129 OF 1995, (AS AMENDED), ENTITLED


           25              "ESTABLISHING FINES TO BE IMPOSED FOR THE






            1              ACTIVATION OF AN ALARM DEVICE WHICH IS






            4              AND ENFORCEMENT OF SAID FINES; AND








            8              SPECIFICALLY SECTIONS 1D. AND 1E.; SECTION


            9              2; SECTION 3; SECTION 4; SECTION 6 AND


           10              SECTION 7.


           11                      MR. MCGOFF:  At this time I'll


           12              entertain a motion that Item 5-E be


           13              introduced into it's proper committee.


           14                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.


           15                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?


           16                      MR. COURTRIGHT: On the question,


           17              Mr. McGoff, I think since we have all been


           18              here that we have all heard that there is


           19              not enough police officers and I think we


           20              all agree we would all like to see more


           21              here.  This ties them up an awful lot, false


           22              alarms, so maybe if we start -- we are


           23              supposed to fine the people in the past, it


           24              just isn't happening, and this makes it a


           25              little bit easier so maybe if we start






            1              fining some people they won't be tied up in


            2              all these false alarms if they can go to the


            3              real crime.


            4                      MR. MCGOFF: All those in favor


            5              signify by saying aye.


            6                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


            7                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


            8                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


            9                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           10                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           11              ayes have it and so moved.


           12                      MR. MINORA: 5-F.  FOR INTRODUCTION -


           13              AN ORDINANCE - AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND


           14              OTHER APPROPRIATE CITY OFFICIALS TO


           15              DESIGNATE $4,999.52 FROM PROJECT NO. 09-


           16              400.41 REPAYMENTS OF URBAN DEVELOPMENT


           17              ACTION GRANTS (UDAG), FOR THE PURCHASE AND


           18              INSTALLATION OF TEN (10) BIKE RACKS ON CITY


           19              OWNED PROPERTY.


           20                      MR. MCGOFF:  At this time I'll


           21              entertain a motion that Item 5-F be


           22              introduced into it's proper committee.


           23                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.


           24                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


           25              those in favor signify by saying aye.






            1                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


            2                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


            3                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


            4                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


            5                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


            6              ayes have it and so moved.


            7                      MR. MINORA: 5-G. FOR INTRODUCTION -


            8              AN ORDINANCE - AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND






           11              JOSEPH F. MARTINO, D.D., BISHOP OF THE






           14              ITS PRESENT SUCCESSOR CONGREGATION, ST.




           16              THE CITY OF SCRANTON, APPROVING AND








           20              THE CITY OF SCRANTON AND TO EXECUTE ANY AND


           21              ALL OTHER DOCUMENTS NECESSARY FOR THE


           22              CLOSING OF THIS TRANSACTION.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF:  At this time I'll


           24              entertain a motion that Item 5-G be


           25              introduced into it's proper committee.






            1                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.


            2                      MS. FANUCCI:  Second.


            3                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?


            4                      MS. EVANS: The agreement proposed in


            5              this ordinance between the Scranton Diocese


            6              and the city calls for the demolition of


            7              Holy Cross Church within 120 days.  I


            8              learned this morning the purpose of such is


            9              to create a parking lot to facilitate Holy


           10              Cross Hall and this, indeed, I believe is a


           11              beneficial measure, but knowing that there


           12              are countless blighted structures littered


           13              throughout our city, many of which were


           14              burned in fires and continue to be ignored


           15              year after year and the city at the same


           16              time intends to demolish a blight free


           17              structure and absorb the costs of


           18              demolition, and I believe a distressed city


           19              can ill afford to incur this cost.


           20                      Further, if the city retains the


           21              ownership, which appears to be the case, of


           22              this parcel of land, the city is then


           23              responsible financially for the insurance of


           24              the property.  I would ask that if, indeed,


           25              this is owned by the Diocese --






            1                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I found out that it


            2              is not.  There is an association Holy Cross


            3              Association, that the property was deeded


            4              over to them, the Holy Cross Hall itself, so


            5              there is an organization that has the deed


            6              to Holy Cross Hall.


            7                      MS. EVANS: And will that


            8              organization be paying the liability


            9              insurance?


           10                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  That --


           11                      MS. EVANS:  I know the Little


           12              Leagues and football organizations have to


           13              carry insurance in.


           14                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Yeah, that I don't


           15              know.  I don't know.  I hadn't gotten that


           16              far.  The phone actually rang giving me that


           17              information when we got on the floor here so


           18              I didn't want to stand out in the hallway


           19              talking on the phone, but it is Holy Cross


           20              Organization that owns the hall.


           21                      MR. MCGOFF: Perhaps between now and


           22              next week we can -- I can get the


           23              information and find out what the intent is.


           24                      MS. EVANS: I'd appreciate that


           25              because I don't believe the city should be






            1              absorbing all of these costs.


            2                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I have one fear, and


            3              maybe people think it's silly, but if in


            4              fact the city tears it down and they pave


            5              the lot then it becomes the city's property,


            6              I wouldn't want to see a year or two down


            7              the road be sold to somebody for a dollar or


            8              something like that.  I would like to see in


            9              the legislation if it's sold at some point


           10              in time it's sold for at least the cost of


           11              the demolition and the improvements on that


           12              property.  It's a nice piece of property and


           13              it's going to be a considerable amount of


           14              money to tear it down and I'm not against


           15              that because I'm a fan of Holy Cross Hall,


           16              and they do need parking down there, it's


           17              rough trying to park down there.  They have


           18              produced a lot of good basketball teams, I


           19              think we all know that down there.


           20                      MS. EVANS: Yes.


           21                      MR. COURTRIGHT: If in the future


           22              it's going to be sold to somebody I'd like


           23              to see it be sold for what it cost to


           24              demolish it and make the improvements.  I


           25              don't know if, Neil, maybe we can ask the






            1              law department if that's possible to have


            2              that included in the ordinance for future


            3              sale of it --


            4                      MR. MCGOFF: Any subsequent sale


            5              would come before council again, would it


            6              not?  I would believe.


            7                      MS. GATELLI:  Yes, because it's city


            8              property.


            9                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Yeah, but I won't be


           10              here probably.


           11                      MS. EVANS: No, I agree with


           12              Mr. Courtright.


           13                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I hope not.  No.


           14                      MS. EVANS: I would like the attempt


           15              made to include in the agreement that upon


           16              any sale of the property the city would be


           17              reimbursed for the costs of demolition and


           18              improvements to that parcel.


           19                      MS. FANUCCI: Actually, Amil, can we


           20              do that?  Is that something we are capable


           21              of doing?


           22                      MR. MINORA: Well, certainly a city


           23              of capable of asking for a price for it's


           24              property.  I'm honestly not sure that it


           25              makes legal sense to include it in an






            1              agreement via sale from the Diocese to the


            2              city, that the city will sell it to somebody


            3              else for a certain amount at this stage.


            4                      MS. FANUCCI: I see.


            5                      MR. MINORA: In other words, what


            6              does the Diocese have to do or care after


            7              they have deeded it over to us what the


            8              price is going to be.  I understand the


            9              point of trying to protect the money, I'm


           10              not just not sure this is the place.


           11                      MR. COURTRIGHT: How about a separate


           12              piece of legislation in addition to this one


           13              stating that in the future --


           14                      MS. EVANS: Well, that's the sale.


           15                      MR. MINORA:  That's what it would


           16              take to sell it, a separate piece of


           17              legislation.  So, in other words, you would


           18              just be duplicating legislation saying we


           19              are going to have legislation saying we are


           20              not going to sell it unless our costs are


           21              recouped, and then you are going to have a


           22              separate piece of legislation saying we are


           23              selling it and it's going to have a price on


           24              it.


           25                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  And the council






            1              would have to --


            2                      MR. MINORA: Does that mean they


            3              cannot sell it for anymore than that?  You


            4              get into a lot of questions.  It's certainly


            5              a good idea and a smart thing to try and


            6              recoup all of our money, that I agree with,


            7              I'm just not sure right now and in this


            8              place is the time to do it.  A separate


            9              piece of legislation maybe, but I don't


           10              know --


           11                      MS. EVANS: Could you look into a


           12              separate piece of legislation in that I'm


           13              just trying prepare for the future.  It's


           14              very possible that with the decision


           15              concerning the South Side Complex and the


           16              future of the Salvation Army building there


           17              could well be the creation of a University


           18              satellite campus in that area, and again, I


           19              would really hate to see that property going


           20              for a dollar to a nonprofit that barely


           21              contributes financially to this city, so I


           22              think it's wise to be protected beforehand


           23              regardless of, you know, which council is


           24              seated and which mayor is serving.


           25                      MR. MINORA:  I'll ask Attorney






            1              Patterson to prepare something for us to


            2              look at.  I'd have to look at it first.  On


            3              the down side, if it's not done properly --


            4                      MS. FANUCCI: Oh, well, now I can


            5              only pay what the demolition costs were not


            6              a lot more.


            7                      MS. EVANS: I think you can easily


            8              fashion the language --


            9                      MR. MINORA: That's what I want to


           10              see.


           11                      MS. EVANS: -- to solve that saying,


           12              "It will be sold for at least the amount of


           13              --"


           14                      MS. FANUCCI: Right.


           15                      MR. MINORA: That's what I want to


           16              see.  I want to make sure the language is


           17              good.  But, yes, I'd be glad to have her


           18              send something down for our review.


           19                      MR. MCGOFF: Anyone else on 5-G?  All


           20              those of favor of introduction signify by


           21              saying aye.


           22                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           23                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           24                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           25                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.






            1                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


            2              ayes have it and so moved.


            3                      MR. MINORA: 5-H.  FOR INTRODUCTION -


            4              A RESOLUTION - AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND






            7              AGREEMENT WITH LOCAL LODGE 2305 OF THE






           10              TERMS AND PROVISIONS OF A MEMORANDUM OF


           11              UNDERSTANDING DATED JUNE 12, 2009 AND


           12              RATIFIED BY THE MEMBERSHIP.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF:  At this time I'll


           14              entertain a motion that Item 5-H be


           15              introduced into it's proper committee.


           16                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.


           17                      MS. FANUCCI:  Second.


           18                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


           19              those in favor signify by saying aye.


           20                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           21                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           22                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           23                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           24                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           25              ayes have it and so moved.






            1                      MR. MINORA: 5-I. FOR INTRODUCTION -


            2              A RESOLUTION - RATIFYING THE ACTIONS OF THE






            5              APPLYING FOR AN ENERGY EFFICIENCY AND








            9              OF $718,500.00, AND IF THE GRANT APPLICATION






           12              THE GRANT, AND TO COORDINATE AND DISBURSE


           13              THE GRANT FUNDS TO IMPLEMENT THE ENERGY




           15              APPLICATION.


           16                      MR. MCGOFF:  At this time I'll


           17              entertain a motion that Item 5-I be


           18              introduced into it's proper committee.


           19                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.


           20                      MS. FANUCCI:  Second.


           21                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


           22              those in favor signify by saying aye.


           23                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           24                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           25                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.






            1                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


            2                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


            3              ayes have it and so moved.


            4                      MR. MINORA: 5-J. FOR INTRODUCTION -


            5              A RESOLUTION - TO ACCEPT OWNERSHIP,




            7              RETAINING WALL TO BE BUILT BY THE








           11              STREET AND TO EXECUTE AND ENTER INTO THE




           13              AGREEMENT NO. 04M035 BETWEEN THE






           16              OF SCRANTON ("MUNICIPALITY").


           17                      MR. MCGOFF:  At this time I'll


           18              entertain a motion that Item 5-J be


           19              introduced into it's proper committee.


           20                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.


           21                      MS. FANUCCI:  Second.


           22                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


           23              those in favor signify by saying aye.


           24                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           25                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.






            1                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


            2                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


            3                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


            4              ayes have it and so moved.


            5                      MR. MINORA: 6-A. NO BUSINESS AT THIS


            6              TIME.  7-A.  FOR CONSIDERATION BY THE




            8              ADOPTION - RESOLUTION NO. 161, 2009










           13              ("DCED") FOR THE COMMUNITY CONSERVATION AND




           15              C000043365 TO RECEIVE A $20,000.00 GRANT TO




           17              LOT.


           18                      MR. MCGOFF:  What is the


           19              recommendation of the Chair for the


           20              Committee on Community Development?


           21                      MS. FANUCCI: As Chairperson for the


           22              Committee on Community Development, I


           23              recommend final passage of Item 7-A.


           24                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  Roll






            1              call, please?


            2                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.


            3                      MS. EVANS:  Yes.


            4                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Gatelli.


            5                      MS. GATELLI.  Yes.


            6                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.


            7                      MS. FANUCCI:  Yes.


            8                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. Courtright.


            9                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Yes.


           10                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.


           11                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes.  I hereby declare


           12              Item 7-A legally and lawfully adopted.


           13                      MR. MINORA: 7-B. FOR CONSIDERATION




           15              FOR ADOPTION -  RESOLUTION NO. 162, 2009










           20              ("DCED") FOR THE COMMUNITY CONSERVATION




           22              C000043366 TO RECEIVE A $25,000.00 GRANT FOR




           24              AND RELATED SITE WORK AT ORCHARD STREET


           25              PLAYGROUND (CONNORS PARK).






            1                      MR. MCGOFF:  What is the


            2              recommendation of the Chair for the


            3              Committee on Community Development?


            4                      MS. FANUCCI: As Chairperson for the


            5              Committee on Community Development, I


            6              recommend final passage of Item 7-B.


            7                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.


            8                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  Roll


            9              call, please?


           10                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.


           11                      MS. EVANS:  Yes.


           12                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Gatelli.


           13                      MS. GATELLI.  Yes.


           14                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.


           15                      MS. FANUCCI:  Yes.


           16                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. Courtright.


           17                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Yes.


           18                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.


           19                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes.  I hereby declare


           20              Item 7-B legally and lawfully adopted.


           21                      MR. MINORA: 7-C. FOR CONSIDERATION


           22              BY THE COMMITTEE ON RULES - FOR ADOPTION -


           23              RESOLUTION NO. 163, 2009 - APPOINTMENT OF


           24              THELMA WHEELER, 1001 JACKSON STREET,


           25              APARTMENT 303, SCRANTON, PENNSYLVANIA,






            1              18504, AS A MEMBER OF THE BOARD OF THE


            2              SCRANTON HOUSING AUTHORITY.  MS. WHEELER




            4              JANE MCCARTHY WHO PASSED AWAY ON JUNE 15,


            5              2009. MS. WHEELER'S TERM WILL EXPIRE ON


            6              SEPTEMBER 27, 2013.


            7                       MR. MCGOFF:  As Chair for the


            8              Committee on Rules, I recommend final


            9              passage of 7-C.


           10                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.


           11                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  Roll


           12              call, please?


           13                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.


           14                      MS. EVANS:  Yes.


           15                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Gatelli.


           16                      MS. GATELLI.  Yes.


           17                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.


           18                      MS. FANUCCI:  Yes.


           19                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. Courtright.


           20                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Yes.


           21                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.


           22                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes.  I hereby declare


           23              Item 7-C legally and lawfully adopted.


           24                      MR. MCGOFF: We will now return to


           25              citizens' participation on nonagenda items






            1              or agenda items, and much to the chagrin of


            2              my council members we will have allow five


            3              minutes speaking time.  Andy Sbaraglia.


            4                      MR. SBARAGLIA: Andy Sbaraglia,


            5              citizen of Scranton.  Fellow Scrantonians, I


            6              co-chaired the Kids Swim Free Program at Nay


            7              Aug and we are holding it on Sunday the


            8              19th, we will have a free swim up there like


            9              Janet said so there is no really going into


           10              depth other than saying thousands of kids


           11              have been allowed to swim up there under


           12              this program.  It's just too bad you don't


           13              put a swimming pool up there for the kids in


           14              that section of the city because Nay Aug was


           15              their swimming pool, but I guess maybe after


           16              November.


           17                      Okay, the simple things of 5-G I


           18              guess it is, the church.  They would have to


           19              pay tax on that land.  If the city took it


           20              over it still would be tax free.  Instead of


           21              generating anything for the city you are


           22              taking it away.  Nothing surprises me with


           23              this council though.  I really wonder how


           24              you would really think about the citizens.


           25              We have to wait all of the way until






            1              November before we are going to get some


            2              really citizens participation in this


            3              council.  After that point the people who


            4              were not elected will become lame duck and


            5              there is laws covering lame duck.


            6                      I believe in democracy.  I fought or


            7              democracy, well, I shouldn't say I really


            8              fought, I served for democracy.  Most of you


            9              people up here have never served in the


           10              military.  Most you ever did was either


           11              school, be nursing or whatever, but I served


           12              my country.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF: Excuse me, I find that


           14              very insulting.  I though my service as a


           15              teacher was --


           16                      MR. SBARAGLIA: It was meant to be


           17              insulting.


           18                      MR. MCGOFF: I think that you are


           19              insulting anyone who is in the teaching


           20              profession by saying that.


           21                      MR. SBARAGLIA: I don't care what


           22              you --


           23                      MR. MCGOFF: I do care.


           24                      MR. SBARAGLIA: Okay, then take it as


           25              a thing, but you insult me by sitting up






            1              there and not believing in democracy.


            2                      MR. MCGOFF:  I did not insult you in


            3              any way.


            4                      MR. SBARAGLIA: You do.  Anyway you


            5              try to regulate this council --


            6                      MR. MCGOFF: You're extremely rude,


            7              Mr. Sbaraglia in saying that.


            8                      MR. SBARAGLIA: You are rude and I


            9              can't wait until November where I don't have


           10              to see you where you are.  Thank you.


           11                      MS. FANUCCI:  You weren't elected


           12              Mr. Sbaraglia, remember that.  The people up


           13              here were elected by people in this city.


           14              Whether or not you like it, you ran and were


           15              not elected so the voice is that people are


           16              respecting at least some of the people up


           17              here.  I find you very ignorant and the sad


           18              part is you don't know what it is you don't


           19              know.


           20                      MS. GATELLI: And just for the record


           21              I'm going to be here until December 31 or


           22              January 7 or whatever.  I don't intend to go


           23              anywhere, Mr. Sbaraglia, and I volunteered


           24              28 years of my life for my neighborhood, so


           25              I find that insulting, too.  There is people






            1              sitting up here that haven't lived here


            2              28 years, so I find that very insulting.


            3              You do for your neighborhood what I did for


            4              mine and then you can insult me.


            5                      MS. FANUCCI: Delusions of grandeur,


            6              sir.


            7                      MR. MCGOFF: Excuse me.  All right.


            8              William Needham.


            9                      MR. NEEDHAM: Good morning, Council.


           10              I'm here with the same problem I have been


           11              dealing with for I don't know how long.  I'd


           12              like to thank Mrs. Evans for getting the


           13              message to Mr. Courtright.  Mr. Courtright,


           14              did you notify anybody from --


           15                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Yes, the people on


           16              the first shift and the second shift I


           17              notified.  The gentleman on the first shift


           18              who has been going by, he knew exactly what


           19              I was talking about because he had been


           20              there before.  People on the second shift


           21              said they would do the best they could.


           22              Probably not what you want to hear, but the


           23              second shift is they are going from call to


           24              call to call.  They said when, you know, if


           25              they have an opportunity they will certainly






            1              go over and check it out.  I haven't spoke


            2              to anybody on the third shift yet or the


            3              D-shift.


            4                      MR. NEEDHAM: Because I have been


            5              doing this myself just to protect my


            6              property.


            7                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I understand.


            8                      MR. NEEDHAM: I've been taken my


            9              vehicle and parking it in my driveway and


           10              watching it because of the things that are


           11              going on in that neighborhood, and I tried


           12              every avenue down the line to do it starting


           13              with the top cop in the city, Mr. Hayes.  He


           14              just -- it was like water over a duck's back


           15              with them.  He sent me to Tommy Oleski who


           16              did nothing.  Tommy Oleski did nothing.  You


           17              call him, this is the 21st century, cell


           18              phones, he don't return calls.  He don't do


           19              nothing.  I spoke to the mayor, I called the


           20              mayor's confidential secretary, nothing.


           21                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  The officer on the


           22              day shift he has gone by there on several --


           23              I don't want to say his name over the air,


           24              but he has gone by there.  He was well aware


           25              of when I told him the block and I told him






            1              there was a row house there he -- they were


            2              aware of where I was talking about and they,


            3              you know.  He has a little bit more time


            4              than the guy on the second shift, but they


            5              are spread a little thin so they said as


            6              often as they could they would patrol that


            7              street.


            8                      MR. NEEDHAM: When you have to take


            9              your wife out of your residence because of


           10              what's going on in the neighborhood, it's


           11              bad.


           12                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I'm going to speak


           13              to the beat officer there maybe he can go


           14              down there.


           15                      MR. NEEDHAM: And them COM-D cops,


           16              now, when you had them they were patrolling


           17              Pittston and Cedar Avenue, we're in the


           18              middle of the block, they can't come up off


           19              of Cedar Avenue because of monetary


           20              reasoning, you know, they put them in low to


           21              moderate income areas.


           22                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  No, I believe your


           23              area might still be in his beat, I got to


           24              speak to him.


           25                      MR. NEEDHAM: When the OECD cops






            1              patrolled they didn't come off the street.


            2              They wouldn't come off Pittston or Cedar


            3              area.  They were told stay in low to


            4              moderate income areas, but I'm not living up


            5              in Montage Mountain.


            6                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  I know.


            7                      MR. NEEDHAM:  I mean, the things


            8              that's going on over there, and the mayor he


            9              did nothing about it.  I had him over there.


           10              He did nothing about it.


           11                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Yeah, I'll speak to-


           12              officers again.  You know, in all honesty


           13              they are trying to do the best they could


           14              just to -- we got a lot of calls in this


           15              city.


           16                      MR. NEEDHAM: What we need -- this is


           17              what we need, we need to get the contracts


           18              for the firemen and the policeman settled.


           19              Public safety should be a priority number


           20              one in any city or any borough or any


           21              township and without them you don't have it.


           22              Get the contracts settled, this are well


           23              overdue.  We need more police on the road


           24              and if we need vehicles let's get them.


           25                      Let me ask this, you are the chair






            1              of public safety, up there at the Skyview


            2              there is a police car and a policeman there


            3              24/7, who is paying for that?


            4                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Skyview does.


            5                      MR. NEEDHAM: Skyview.


            6                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Skyview pays for


            7              that.


            8                      MR. NEEDHAM: Well, why do they have


            9              our police up there?


           10                      MR. COURTRIGHT: They pay them extra.


           11                      MS. GATELLI: Extra duty.


           12                      MR. NEEDHAM: I mean, you know, if


           13              you got it up there you should, you know --


           14              they're paying for it?


           15                      MR. COURTRIGHT: That's private.


           16              That's being paid for privately.


           17                      MR. NEEDHAM: It's private property.


           18                      MS. GATELLI:  They hire them


           19              privately.


           20                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  That would like if


           21              you wanted to hire one you would be able to,


           22              you would just have to pay.  I'm not saying


           23              to do that, I'm just explaining.


           24                      MR. NEEDHAM: Well, over there, and


           25              the police -- I've got complaints and police






            1              reports coming out of my ears.


            2                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I know.


            3                      MR. NEEDHAM: Insurance for property


            4              damages.  Now I got another almost $4,000


            5              for a window, they have to take the whole


            6              window out and repaint the whole side of


            7              house, you know what I'm saying?


            8                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I know.  I feel very


            9              sorry for you.  I'm doing the very best I


           10              could.  They're just a little shorthanded I


           11              think.


           12                      MR. NEEDHAM: On the police, yeah.


           13              Right.  Now, if you call to respond I call


           14              the state police.


           15                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I don't think they


           16              will respond.


           17                      MR.  NEEDHAM: Oh, you can get them.


           18              Ray Hayes will tell you know, but you are


           19              still a citizen of the Commonwealth of


           20              Pennsylvania.  If they come and they respond


           21              you have to sign a waiver and it goes back


           22              to the city.  You know you are going to


           23              catch hell, but you can do it, but when it


           24              come to my wife I'm going to protect her to


           25              the bottom line.






            1                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I agree with you.


            2                      MR. NEEDHAM: And, I mean, it's --


            3              you know, if the police don't come, you


            4              know, what you are supposed to do?


            5                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I have your address


            6              written right here.


            7                      MR. NEEDHAM:  Yeah.  They only have


            8              so many police, they only have so many cars,


            9              I know that.  I know that.  And then, you


           10              know, they get these incident reports, they


           11              are all malicious mischief and criminal


           12              mischief of the property, $900 for one


           13              thing.  It's got to stop.  It's got to stop.


           14                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I'll try again.


           15              I'll speak to them again.


           16                      MR. NEEDHAM: I mean, and I even


           17              tried to catch a cop, you know what I mean?


           18              Go down on another someplace where I think


           19              I'll see one and see if he can come over.


           20              It's terrible.  You can't sleep and boom


           21              boxes playing all night.  It's just


           22              terrible.  Thank you.


           23                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  You are welcome.


           24                      MR. MCGOFF: William Bradiken.  David


           25              Dobrzyn.






            1                      MR. DOBRZYN:  Good morning once


            2              again, Council, Dave Dobson, resident of


            3              Scranton and member of the Taxpayers'.  We


            4              got a little off here a couple of minutes


            5              ago, but I also would like to express any


            6              concern of the city incurring expenses and


            7              once again we are tearing down buildings


            8              that really some other purpose should be


            9              found for them other than community centers


           10              or apartment housing or whatever, but I


           11              personally feel it's terrible and I


           12              certainly don't want to see year after year


           13              the city paying somebody else's bills.


           14                      Now, I'd like to talk briefly about


           15              PPL Roseland project.  There is meetings


           16              going on all over the area about this


           17              project.  Now, there is a few issues here:


           18              One, is that it's going to detract from the


           19              natural beauty of the landscape and so


           20              forth; two, is that be the residents of


           21              Pennsylvania and PPL customers are paying


           22              for it; and three, it's that it may be part


           23              of a larger agenda to improve the grid to


           24              shift power back and forth, however, if it's


           25              for somebody else in some other state I must






            1              object to paying for it and I see no


            2              purpose -- no reason why I should pay for


            3              it.


            4                      So I think we should try to towards


            5              the fall here have PPL meetings with PUC and


            6              get some of these issues out into the open


            7              because it will effect you and when you are


            8              paying the big bill and you have done


            9              nothing then don't complain about it.


           10                      On recycling and trash removal, this


           11              is for me.  I have a paid bill here from


           12              2009, and all my prior bills are paid, at


           13              least three times in the last eight weeks


           14              the recycling people have not picked up my


           15              recycling.  I have 42 steps to my front


           16              porch.  Remember my house?


           17                      MS. EVANS: Yes.


           18                      MR. DOBRZYN: Okay.  When Janet was


           19              campaigning she had to -- she had to pack a


           20              lunch to get up there.  But anyway, I'd


           21              really -- and Saturday morning I got up


           22              early and I went out on the porch and I seen


           23              a guy kind of look over and scoot out of


           24              there, and it's not acceptable.  I'll write


           25              my phone number down here for Neil, and I






            1              don't expect anybody to come up here to my


            2              house and take it out, but I would like to


            3              see it every week.  There is no


            4              tiggerdoodles in the stuff, I do really a


            5              good job on trying to recycle and I'm not


            6              very strong on it, and it really grabs me


            7              because a lot of people I see recyclables in


            8              the trash, well, I watch a lot of science


            9              documentaries and stuff, I don't bother with


           10              regular television and political


           11              documentaries and so forth, and there is


           12              technicians and scientists working on


           13              machines to turn plastic bottles back into


           14              diesel fuel, so it's something to consider.


           15                      We can't have this where things are


           16              being thrown out improperly in the wrong


           17              garbage, and also if I were to start


           18              depositing that in the garbage from what I


           19              understand there is an ordinance against


           20              that also, so then I'm breaking the law by


           21              just trying to keep my house clean of


           22              whatever.


           23                      And now on another subject, I don't


           24              know if you people read the Friday Times,


           25              and we're probably kicking a dead horse a






            1              little bit, but there was a big article on


            2              KOZ's and their lack of effectiveness, so I


            3              certainly hope that you read -- you probably


            4              did, I'll give you that much credit.


            5                      And a mention was made of our roads


            6              downtown last week, I wasn't here.  Thursday


            7              night I hit a pothole and three hours later,


            8              about four miles later, forget the three


            9              hours, my transmission blew up, so maybe


           10              I'll call Janet's husband and ask him for a


           11              little advice.  I have a transmission coming


           12              to put it in, but I think it did fracture


           13              something inside of the transmission.  It


           14              was down on Washington Avenue at the


           15              shopping center there.  And by the way,


           16              almost everything that I buy is in town.  I


           17              spend almost every dollar in town inside of


           18              Scranton borders, but if that type of stuff


           19              keeps happening how am I going to shop in


           20              Scranton.


           21                      MR. MCGOFF: Anyone else?


           22                      MR. ELLMAN: Hello, Council.  Good


           23              morning.  I could see everyone says "Here he


           24              goes again."  Well, Ronnie Ellman, still a


           25              taxpayer and member of the association.  You






            1              know, I spoke last week that I feel I have


            2              certain duties and one of them was to speak


            3              out against the evils of Chris Doherty.  I'm


            4              going to read this, I won't take all day.


            5              When someone messes my money it makes my


            6              most irritable like most people and that's


            7              all that's been happening here year after


            8              year.  Every time someone asks where our


            9              money went Chris Doherty says it's in the


           10              parks, this is your park system and yada,


           11              yada, yada, you know, these are -- the parks


           12              are for you and your children and blah,


           13              blah, it never ends.  But now we see that


           14              the parks are going up to that the highest


           15              bidder, except the city didn't get the


           16              checks, they probably went into someone's


           17              home because they are certainly -- we are


           18              not benefiting by giving away our South Side


           19              Complex and Nay Aug and it's not going to


           20              stop.  It's a deplorable, despicable


           21              situation that Doherty just he got away with


           22              a little bit and he just keeps on shoveling


           23              down our throats.


           24                      You know, after all of the fanfare


           25              and promises about opening the zoo again, to






            1              me it's a little zoo, it wasn't ideal, but


            2              it was there and it was ours, it was just


            3              another venture of Doherty's worth the risk


            4              because he got away with closing it and now


            5              he is giving it away.  You know, it's --


            6              like I said, it won't stop unless you people


            7              to something to stop him.  I don't know,


            8              it's just terrible.  It really just tests my


            9              tolerance level having to deal with what you


           10              read in the paper every day.  You know,


           11              let's just examine in black and white about


           12              the zoo.


           13                      First we get this concerned citizen


           14              writing letters how deplorable conditions


           15              are and then it's immediately closed.


           16              Mr. Doherty said we don't have the $50,000


           17              to support him.  This went on and on and


           18              gave them just a few days to get rid of all


           19              of these animals, the whole scenario just --


           20              it just didn't pass your smell test, you


           21              know, and there was money collected for that


           22              zoo.  What happened to it?  I never heard


           23              anyone mention about the collections for it.


           24                      Well, after the concerned bimbo no


           25              one mentioned that she was on the board of






            1              Lackawanna College.  See, that had nothing


            2              to do with her, I'm sure it just -- with her


            3              closing it, then the college moves in, the


            4              plans for the zoo fit there to a "T", just


            5              exactly the buildings they want to an inch.


            6              Nothing had to be touched.  You know, the


            7              remodeling it was for them, all along.  Like


            8              I said, this was premeditated.  All of a


            9              sudden the $50,000 was found they have an


           10              overnight loan.  If anybody here bought a


           11              house you don't get a loan, it takes a month


           12              or two.  Overnight they have a loan you


           13              know, why doesn't somebody investigate all


           14              of this.  This is our property he gave away.


           15              Let him give away his house over there on


           16              Washington if he wants to give something


           17              away.


           18                      I just got a bunch of notes here.


           19              Now I'm just getting all disgusted with it.


           20              It's just -- just signs of graft and


           21              corruption every time you turn around in


           22              this administration.  You three people were


           23              elected to represent us, not to show no


           24              loyalty and friendship to the mayor which is


           25              how it turned out, you know.  You are not






            1              for us.  It's -- and while I think of it,


            2              I'll get off the subject because to me Chris


            3              Doherty is an absolute disgrace to the


            4              people of this city.  I don't know how he


            5              can show his face in public.  I saw him in


            6              morning and, I don't know, all dressed up in


            7              his suit and telling how great he is,


            8              patting himself on the back again.


            9                      I would like to change the subject


           10              where Mr. Burke got the $50,000 bribe money


           11              he offered whether it come out of his pocket


           12              or whether it was the city's money he was


           13              going to give back to the city, I never saw


           14              where it came from.


           15                      And why can't you just put a lien on


           16              that property you are talking about, you


           17              know, the church property if you have to


           18              tear down the building?


           19                      MR. MINORA: We are going to own it.


           20              We would be liening ourselves.


           21                      MR. ELLMAN:  Because you would have


           22              a lien if it's ever sold.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF: Any others?


           24                      MR. ELLMAN: I got one other thing,


           25              just take a second, the Smith house has been






            1              standing year after year and nobody touches


            2              it about tearing it down.  I got a house


            3              behind me that adjoins my property, been


            4              there for years, nobody does it.  Every time


            5              I hear about something torn down or repaired


            6              it's in South Side.  We are supposed to get


            7              sidewalks and streets on North Main Avenue,


            8              they never -- you know, the money just went


            9              someplace else.  It wasn't spent on our


           10              street.  Thank you.  You mad at me?  Yes,


           11              you are.  I can see it.


           12                      MS. FANUCCI: No, I would never be


           13              mad at you.


           14                      MR. ELLMAN: You won't wink at me


           15              today, you're mad at me.


           16                      MS. FANUCCI: I still love you and


           17              you know it.


           18                      MR. MCGOFF: Anyone else?


           19                      MR. UNGVARSKY:  Good morning, city


           20              council.  I'm Tom Ungvarsky, and I'm a


           21              member of the Scranton/Lackawanna County


           22              Taxpayers.  In April of '07 there was


           23              several articles in our Scranton Times


           24              concerning Wall Street West how they were


           25              going to come here and develop.  The






            1              articles mainly concerned Seacoast, a


            2              limited liability corporation.  The state


            3              had given them $250,000 and city council


            4              voted another $70,000 to them.  I asked Mrs.


            5              Fanucci twice some information about them, I


            6              never received it.  I asked Mr. McGoff twice


            7              about it, and the one day he told me out in


            8              the hall that Seacoast was located at 123


            9              Wyoming Avenue in the Diversified Building.


           10              I went to Diversified building three


           11              different times, talked to workers that were


           12              there, no one had ever heard of Secoast from


           13              New York City.


           14                      In the mean time, I had -- this is


           15              over a period of a year, in the mean time, I


           16              had looked them up on the website.  There


           17              was nothing about Scranton.  I called, they


           18              knew nothing or would not give me any


           19              information about Scranton.  I asked the


           20              Chamber of Commerce, they knew nothing about


           21              it.  I asked the Times, they knew nothing


           22              about it.  No one seemed to know where


           23              Seacost was located.  I filed a


           24              Right-to-Know.  Mr. Stu Renda gave me very


           25              limited information on it.  I have appealed






            1              the case.  I will probably hear something on


            2              it tomorrow.  I should say that they will be


            3              decide what to do tomorrow and whenever I


            4              hear about it.


            5                      I think it's time that city council


            6              started looking into some of the loans that


            7              they have passed, and I'd like to read off a


            8              few of them for you, if I may.  The first


            9              one is -- excuse me, I have trouble reading,


           10              is Jefferson Associates.  They received


           11              $250,000 back in May of '04.  This is from


           12              -- excuse me a minute, from Caper, which is


           13              put out by OECD, they received $250,000,


           14              they have zero employees.


           15                      The next one is Pisano, I'm sorry,


           16              it is a produce company, I'm sorry, I have


           17              trouble reading, they also received


           18              $250,000.  They received it in the sixth


           19              month of '05, they have zero jobs.


           20                      The next one is 321 Development


           21              Company, they also received a quarter of a


           22              million dollar.  They have zero employees;


           23              and the last one is Ed and Chris Pisano, I


           24              shouldn't say the last one.  The last one I


           25              have listed here for $250,000, is Ed and






            1              Chris Pisano, they also received $250,000


            2              and they have zero employees.


            3                      I have the articles and a copy of


            4              the contract for Seacost, I have all of the


            5              communications from Mr. Stu Renda and from


            6              the appeals board.  If any member of City


            7              Council would like to sit down with me and


            8              go through it, because there are at least 37


            9              violations of the contract and if any member


           10              of city council would like to sit down with


           11              me and go through this I would be very happy


           12              to do so.  I think it's time we started


           13              looking into these loans that we are giving


           14              out and perhaps recouping some of the money


           15              that we are giving.


           16                      MR. MCGOFF: Anyone else?


           17                      MS. SCHUMACHER: Marie Schumacher.


           18              5-G on today's agenda is setting a terrible


           19              precedent.  Jumping a property to the head


           20              of the list is just very dangerous.  We have


           21              many properties awaiting demolition for


           22              years that are true public safety issues.  I


           23              know there is one up at the corner of


           24              Wheeler Avenue and I believe it's Pine


           25              Street and there is one across from the -- I






            1              don't know what the name of nursing home


            2              there on Cedar Avenue, Pennswood, even


            3              though I visit there a lot, they tore one


            4              building down and not another, but


            5              underlying the precedent that you are


            6              setting, first of all, you are kicking the


            7              taxpayers where it hurts the most.  There


            8              seems to be nothing that you will not do for


            9              nonprofits and for nontaxpaying entities,


           10              but when it comes to the taxpayers the heck


           11              with them.


           12                      The administrative code of the city


           13              says:  Capital budgets on or about June 1


           14              each year the mayor shall submit the program


           15              to city council.


           16                      Later on it says, "If a cash deficit


           17              develops these are the items that should be


           18              looked at to be put on hold."


           19                      Now, where is the capital budget?


           20              Six weeks passed.  Has anybody followed up


           21              to find out what's going on with the capital


           22              budget?  These are capital items and the


           23              purpose of a capital budget is to have some


           24              order and know what you are doing.  Now, we


           25              have 7-A and B on today's agenda.  If the






            1              capital budget was properly done you could


            2              see what was being planned in the city for


            3              the next six years and how it fit in, but


            4              here you continue to allow the mayor to


            5              piecemeal things.  We don't know, how much


            6              more is going to be spent on Battaglia


            7              field? How much more is going to be spent on


            8              Connor's Park?  Is this the end of it or


            9              will it go on forever?


           10                      This project, 7-G is a capital


           11              project, you are buying property.  You are


           12              paving, that's a capital project, and what's


           13              the precedent?  How many properties are on


           14              the demolition?  How are they prioritized?


           15              Who decides them.  I mean, you need to get


           16              ahold of the capital budget and you need to


           17              stop approving anything that is not on the


           18              capital budget even if it's paid for by


           19              somebody else.  If it's properly done you


           20              have the total budget and you show who paid


           21              for that if it wasn't the city taxpayers.


           22              You have got to get it under control.  It is


           23              way out of control.


           24                      Now, 5-I on today's agenda also


           25              wants to buy a boiler for the Silkman House






            1              Library on North Main Avenue in Scranton.


            2              Not a problem with that except that it is


            3              city-owned, it's occupied by the LCRA which


            4              believe is the National -- or the Lackawanna


            5              County Corridor Recreation Association, are


            6              they a Scranton entity?  Again, another


            7              nonprofit.  Are they paying rent to the


            8              city?  Are we paying to insure this building


            9              that's occupied by somebody else?


           10                      I mean, come on, Folks.  We are in


           11              deep doo-doo, and we keep all of these


           12              freebies for the people who don't pay taxes


           13              and you know who is down at the bottom of


           14              the list, the taxpayers, and it's not right.


           15                      Mr. Ungvarsky just brought up some


           16              of the CDBG loans that haven't produced and


           17              it causes me to wonder, what about the UDAG


           18              and EZ outcomes?  How many of those have you


           19              approved over the last many years?  I have a


           20              list at home, I didn't bring it with me, but


           21              how do we find out about what happens to


           22              those loans?  We give money here, we give


           23              money there.  At least on the CDBG's we get


           24              something.  We don't always believe them.  I


           25              mean, I don't believe that 102 jobs exist at






            1              the Lackawanna garage, probably six at the


            2              most if you have two a shift, so I don't


            3              always believe the statistics, but when they


            4              put down zero I believe them, and how do we


            5              find out who -- what are the outcome and


            6              what are investments with these UDAG and ES


            7              money, what did it produce?  Did it do any


            8              good?


            9                      And then next I note there is a SAPA


           10              meeting coming up on Thursday night and I


           11              hope to see all of you, yeah, I'm sure you


           12              find it, Mrs. Fanucci, very funny that I


           13              care about the taxpayers and you have to


           14              write notes about me.


           15                      MS. FANUCCI: What are you talking


           16              about that you're so paranoid?


           17                      MS. SCHUMACHER: I have the --


           18                      MS. FANUCCI: I'm sitting here


           19              discussing with Mr. --


           20                      MS. SCHUMACHER:  I have the floor.


           21              Thank you.


           22                      MS. FANUCCI: Well, then don't issue


           23              a warning to me when you have no idea what


           24              is going on up here or anywhere else for


           25              that matter.






            1                      MS. SCHUMACHER: The SAPA meeting has


            2              a banner across the street, I'll complete my


            3              sentence if I may.  I hope to see all of you


            4              there.  It very definitely affects the City


            5              of Scranton and I think this is the only


            6              public meeting that's planned and for those


            7              who are interested a copy of the plan is up


            8              at the Albright library.  I would hope that


            9              you would take a chance to review it and


           10              come to the meeting on Thursday night.


           11              Thank you.


           12                      MR. MCGOFF: Mrs. Evans?


           13                      MS. EVANS: Good morning.  Today's


           14              agenda resurrects specific concerns.  The


           15              city should halt it's give-aways to


           16              nonprofits because they fail to pay their


           17              fair shares to a deficit ridden host city.


           18              The Recovery Plan itself called for the


           19              aggressive collection of payments in lieu of


           20              taxes from nonprofits and in yet another


           21              violation of the Recovery Plan the


           22              administration failed to do so.  Rather, it


           23              enjoys a warm and cozy relationship as well


           24              as a seat on the board of trustees by a


           25              family member and brazenly agrees that the






            1              university's constant expansion and campus


            2              beautifications are a wonderful substitute


            3              for payments in lieu of taxes.  Yet, the


            4              administration has no problem raising the


            5              people's taxes.


            6                      Next, I wish to report that council


            7              received no response from District Attorney


            8              Jarbola to it's request for an investigation


            9              of the Single Tax Office and Mr. McDowell's


           10              term as Scranton Tax Collector.  Neil,


           11              please send a second request to the DA and


           12              include a request for a response on or


           13              before Friday, July 24, 2009.


           14                      I also want to report that


           15              Mr. Renda, business administrator, never


           16              provided the financial and health care


           17              information regarding all city management


           18              employees which I requested for the last


           19              four months clearly demonstrating the lack


           20              of administrative cooperation that certain


           21              council members face from more than one


           22              department head.  Unionized employee's


           23              reports were received well over two months


           24              ago but this management information seems to


           25              be sheltered.






            1                      Next, we recently learned of the


            2              state of police and firefighter contract


            3              negotiations.  The obstinance and audacity


            4              of this administration to continue legal


            5              battles against public safety workers for


            6              eight years is a slap in the face to


            7              Scranton taxpayers.  Rather than settling


            8              contracts and providing improved services,


            9              the administration uses your taxes for


           10              highly paid law firms and courtroom battles.


           11                      I stated several months ago that the


           12              mayor would continue this fight to the


           13              Supreme Court and allow DCED to make an


           14              example, a legal precedent, of our city.


           15              Does the city -- or excuse me, does the


           16              state pay for eight years worth of multiple


           17              attorney's fees?  Absolutely not.  They want


           18              Scrantonians to pay for this while having


           19              the audacity to demand a 75 percent tax


           20              increase against the citizens of Scranton.


           21              It is a sin to have wasted tax dollars for


           22              eight years while spending and borrowing


           23              spiraled out of control without a word from


           24              PEL and DCED.


           25                      It seems impossible now to balance






            1              the enormous debt amassed in Scranton in the


            2              last years in conjunction with an equally


            3              long series of court battles and contract


            4              violations.  This madness should have ended


            5              years ago and anyone who truly cared for


            6              this city and it's people would never allow


            7              such wasteful legal costs and city debt to


            8              grow to nearly insurmountable unprecedented


            9              heights.


           10                      Enough is enough.  It is time to


           11              concentrate on new revenue sources and the


           12              hardline collection of payments in lieu of


           13              taxes from city nonprofits.  If the


           14              nonprofits were targeted as firmly as the


           15              city unions, the city coffers would be full,


           16              the structural deficit could very well be


           17              erased, and the need for large tax increases


           18              eliminated.


           19                      Finally, I have some citizens'


           20              requests for the week.  Send an inspector to


           21              429-31 Prescott Avenue to investigate a


           22              dumpster located on the side of this


           23              multi-unit dwelling.  The overflowing


           24              dumpster is emptied biweekly, attracts


           25              insects and rodents and carries an






            1              unbearable stench.  Mr. Seitzinger has been


            2              aware of this and other problems at this


            3              property since 2008, yet none have been


            4              addressed.  Please take of care of this


            5              ASAP.


            6                      For the last five years the


            7              residents of Cooper Avenue and Ward Place


            8              have continuously requested the paving of


            9              both of these streets and their requests


           10              have fallen on deaf ears at the DPW.  In the


           11              last few months a series of large holes have


           12              opened at one end of Cooper Avenue.  As I


           13              attended the ICC church picnic last weekend


           14              I noticed that the alley behind the church


           15              had been newly paved for this event, and I


           16              was very pleased to see this, but I can't


           17              understand why DPW management continues to


           18              ignore Cooper Avenue and Ward Place.


           19              Taxpayers deserve services for their taxes,


           20              all taxpayers.


           21                      Sometimes I think certain requests


           22              are not addressed by DPW management because


           23              I have made them.  I hope this is not the


           24              case since these are not Janet Evans'


           25              requests, these are complaints and problems






            1              of our taxpayers who pay employee's salaries


            2              and deserve services and I want to see this


            3              problem solved this summer and I will be


            4              driving by checking on it.


            5                      The animal control officer who is


            6              employed part-time by the city is in dire


            7              need of a van.  Currently she operates a


            8              used pickup truck from which animals can


            9              easily escape.  I recall that a previous


           10              officer had a city van for use during


           11              working hours.  With council's agreement, I


           12              would like a van or other appropriate


           13              vehicle provided to the animal control


           14              officer.  We have over $8,000 in UDAG monies


           15              which were allocated for the purchase of


           16              bike racks in today's agenda.  I believe


           17              this is a more pressing issue which merits


           18              immediate attention.


           19                      Council requests the June and


           20              July 2009 to date PEL summaries and an


           21              update on the progress of the revised or new


           22              recovery plan from PEL, and that's it.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF: Mrs. Fanucci?


           24                      MS. FANUCCI: Yes, I'm going to agree


           25              with Mrs. Evans on the talk and bargaining






            1              talks for our contracts.  Obviously, if both


            2              parties put in the money we would not be in


            3              the -- in any need for money in our city, we


            4              would actually be probably making lots of


            5              money, so on both ends I think both parties


            6              have spent way more than they should have.


            7                      Also, it's my belief that a


            8              34 percent pay increase was offered at the


            9              last sitdown and was denied.  I myself would


           10              have loved to be offered 34 percent increase


           11              in my pay, so this battle will continue and


           12              it will continue to the end, as I stated


           13              from day one.  People -- this is not just


           14              about the city, it's about the unions, also,


           15              and both are battling it out and will


           16              continue to do so until the Court's decide


           17              which I obviously believe is a sad thing


           18              because we have seen what has happened so


           19              far with some of the health care situations,


           20              but this is not going to end and it won't


           21              end and has nothing to do with the city or


           22              the state, it has to do with both parties


           23              because when you can't sit down on either


           24              end and negotiate there will be no


           25              negotiations.  So as always there is three






            1              sides to every story.


            2                      I also would like to speak on some


            3              of the loans that were brought up tonight --


            4              today.  We do check on those.  We check on


            5              them a lot.  When a zero -- when they say


            6              zero employees, a lot of times that loan has


            7              been closed out and fulfilled and that


            8              company is not existing.  I know the Pisano


            9              project has not even started yet, they did


           10              not hire anybody as of right now, so they do


           11              not have employees.  The other two I will


           12              check into, but I know for a fact that the


           13              state and the city, I mean, they have to


           14              keep that in check.  Every three months they


           15              have to send reports on that, and I believe


           16              as far as our last check was probably two


           17              months ago, everyone was up-to-date on their


           18              loan payments with our city from years and


           19              years past.  I'm glad that you have a paper,


           20              I have that also, but years and years past


           21              everyone is up-to-date as of right now, so


           22              any loan that has been given out we are


           23              receiving the amount of money we are


           24              supposed to be receiving.  That program is


           25              working and it is working well and I am






            1              proud that people in this city are putting


            2              their faith in us and still deciding to open


            3              businesses here and taking risks with us and


            4              are fulfilling their obligations to the city


            5              and to the state as well, and that is all I


            6              have.


            7                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I'm just going to


            8              piggyback on some of the requests from DPW,


            9              it's been at least four months I have been


           10              asking about Forest Glenn, and they are not


           11              just potholes it's a safety hazard.  I have


           12              no idea why they are not responding.  People


           13              in Fawnwood are paying some of the highest


           14              taxes in the city and now they have to go to


           15              go door to door and get a petition to get


           16              the road fixed, something is wrong


           17              somewhere.  So, Neil, I hate to do this to


           18              you, but can we send another letter to


           19              Mr. Brazil and ask them if they are going to


           20              fix that road?  I'm not going to go through


           21              the whole spiel again, I have been doing it


           22              for four months.


           23                      Also, Neil, Crisp Avenue, I have


           24              asked the Kay the last couple of meeting to


           25              find out from Brian Swanson where we are






            1              with that bridge, that's extremely important


            2              to a lot of people.  We will be going on


            3              recess now in two weeks and could you just


            4              ask him to give me a response in writing


            5              before next week so the people that live in


            6              that area will know?


            7                      You know, I have gotten away from


            8              congratulating people that have done a good


            9              job in the city, I try to do that all of the


           10              time and I got away from that a little bit


           11              because of some of the turmoil I guess we


           12              have had every week, but this past week I


           13              want to congratulate the Scranton police


           14              officers, there was an individual wanted out


           15              of the Philadelphia area that had a woman


           16              detained in one of the housing projects in


           17              this area against her will.  Our SOG team


           18              lead my Lieutenant Crofton were up there


           19              getting ready to circle the building when


           20              Officer Mike Costanzo and Ray Kelly


           21              discovered that the gentleman was in another


           22              building and they apprehended him without


           23              any incident, so I'd just like to


           24              congratulate them for that.


           25                      And maybe something un popular, but






            1              the church being torn down and the city


            2              paying for it at this point as far as I'm in


            3              favor for it because if it's going to be


            4              used for a parking lot for Holy Cross


            5              basketball I think it's a good thing.  We


            6              spend money and lot of things in my opinion


            7              worthwhile in this city, but I think this is


            8              worthwhile.  People from all of over the


            9              area play there and it's really difficult to


           10              park down there and every time I drive by


           11              there I'm a little bit afraid because, you


           12              know, there are kids playing there and


           13              they're running, they run out the door and


           14              they're running across the street to get to


           15              the front of the car or whatever.  So if, in


           16              fact, it's going to be for Holy Cross Hall I


           17              would be happy to see that done.  I


           18              understand what Mr. Minora said about maybe


           19              the legislation, but possibly I won't be


           20              here when and if it's ever sold.  I would


           21              like to leave her knowing that we are going


           22              to get our money's worth and not get shafted


           23              on the cost of tearing it down and paving


           24              it, and that's all I have.  Thank you.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF: I have nothing.  Motion






            1              to adjourn.


            2                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.


            3                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you for your


            4              participation.
















































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            3        I hereby certify that the proceedings and


            4   evidence are contained fully and accurately in the


            5   notes of testimony taken by me at the hearing of the


            6   above-captioned matter and that the foregoing is a true


            7   and correct transcript of the same to the best of my


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                                    CATHENE S. NARDOZZI, RPR

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