1              SCRANTON CITY COUNCIL MEETING








            5                          HELD:




            7                   Tuesday, June 9, 2009




            9                        LOCATION:


           10                    Council Chambers


           11                 Scranton City Hall


           12              340 North Washington Avenue


           13                Scranton, Pennsylvania











































                MS. JANET E. EVANS



            9   MS. SHERRY FANUCCI



                MR. WILLIAM COURTRIGHT



           12   MS. KAY GARVEY, CITY CLERK






           15   MR. PAT SCANLON, SOLICITOR


























            1   (Pledge of Allegiance recited and moment of reflection


            2   observed.)


            3                      MR. MCGOFF:  Dispense with the


            4              reading of the minutes.  I'm sorry, roll


            5              call.


            6                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.


            7                      MS. EVANS:  Here.


            8                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Gatelli.


            9                      MS. GATELLI:  Here.


           10                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.


           11                      MS. FANUCCI:  Here.


           12                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. Courtright.


           13                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Here.


           14                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.


           15                      MR. MCGOFF:  Here.  Now dispense


           16              with the reading of the minutes.  Third


           17              Order.


           18                      MS. GARVEY: No business at this time


           19              in third order.


           20                      MR. MCGOFF: Announcements from


           21              council?  Anyone?


           22                      MS. GATELLI:  I just have one.  This


           23              Saturday, June 13, at Nay Aug Park there


           24              will be a health fair from 9 a.m. to noon.


           25              It is free to the public with over 70






            1              vendors.  There will be free health


            2              screenings and free giveaways and all the


            3              hospitals will be represented.  There will


            4              be doctors on hand and educational handouts.


            5              Thank you.  That's all I have.


            6                      MS. EVANS: I, too, ask for your


            7              prayers this evening for Trooper Joshua


            8              Miller, who was slain in the line of duty,


            9              and his family and friends, particularly,


           10              Trooper Robert Lombardo who was injured at


           11              the same time.


           12                      Also, please remember in your


           13              prayers Betty Newcomb who underwent a


           14              serious surgery last week.  We hope that


           15              Betty has a rapid and full recovery and is


           16              soon back to spoiling her grandchildren.


           17                      The Kids Swim Free Program sponsored


           18              by the Scranton Lackawanna County Taxpayers'


           19              Association is up and running for it's third


           20              year.  Please help this very worthy cause


           21              which pays for swimming for underprivileged


           22              children at Nay Aug Park.  Make checks


           23              payable to: Kids Swim Free, and mail to 1416


           24              South Webster Avenue, Scranton, PA, 18505.


           25              Again, that's 1416 South Webster Avenue,






            1              18505.


            2                      A very knowledgeable gentleman


            3              brought to my attention the historical


            4              significance of the last week to our region.


            5              Saturday was the 65th anniversary of D-Day.


            6              I thank all our surviving veterans, their


            7              families and the families of deceased


            8              veterans who sacrificed so much in our


            9              behalf.


           10                      Friday, June 5, was the 41st


           11              anniversary of the assassination of Robert


           12              F. Kennedy.  It was in Scranton that he


           13              spoke at a Friendly Son's dinner the year


           14              after his brother JFK's assassination, and


           15              the warm reception he received here from


           16              Scranton citizens invigorated him and


           17              encouraged his return to public service.


           18                      Finally, June 3, was the anniversary


           19              of the death of Cardinal John J. O'Connor, a


           20              man who deeply touched people of all


           21              religious beliefs during his brief service


           22              in Scranton and as Cardinal of the Diocese


           23              of New York.  Few of us remember that


           24              Cardinal O'Connor also retired from service


           25              to our country as a Rear Admiral in the US






            1              Navy.  I thank Mr. Duncan for making us all


            2              better aware of the significance of our


            3              community through the sacrifices and


            4              memories of these great soldiers and public


            5              servants, and that's all.


            6                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you for mentioning


            7              D-Day.  As you said that, my father was in


            8              the 8th Air Force and made two flights over


            9              Normandy on D-Day.  Was apparently in the


           10              first wave of planes, went back to England,


           11              refueled and went out a second time.


           12                      MS. EVANS: I think we all owe him a


           13              huge debt of gratitude.  He is a magnificent


           14              man.


           15                      MR. MCGOFF:  Thank you.  I think so.


           16              Apparently last week I made a mistake in


           17              reading something, and I will correct it


           18              this evening.  There is a free rabies clinic


           19              on Saturday, June 13 from 1:00 to 3:00 p.m.


           20              and it's conducted at the VCA Dunmore Animal


           21              Hospital, that is at 1317 Drinker Street,


           22              Dunmore, PA, and it is sponsored by the


           23              Scranton Animal Association.  I hope that we


           24              got everything correct this time.  Thank


           25              you.






            1                      And just one last thing, it was


            2              brought up last week something about the


            3              possibility of the memorial that is at the


            4              old North Scranton Junior High School being


            5              moved.  I spoke to Mr. Langan, the president


            6              of Goodwill Industries, and he said if it's


            7              being moved it is a surprise to him and that


            8              when they bought the property that they


            9              requested that -- or when they took


           10              ownership of the property that they made the


           11              request that the memorial stay there, so


           12              they are happy to have it there and as far


           13              as they know it's not going anywhere, so if


           14              anyone sees Jean please let her know that's


           15              it's safe and staying, and that's all.


           16              Fourth order.  Reverend Simmons.


           17                      MS. SIMMONS: Good evening, Council


           18              members.  I'm Reverend Catherine Simmons,


           19              and I'm representing Florence-Midtown Crime


           20              Watch on this most majestic of evenings.  I


           21              have come here this evening to talk to you


           22              about your possible assistance in the


           23              uniting of a war torn community.  Our city


           24              and it's surrounding counties have been torn


           25              apart by death, abusive children, shootings






            1              in broad daylight which probably involve


            2              drugs of some type, and I hope you hear me


            3              clearly, racism on both sides of the


            4              community.


            5                      I know that whenever a death occurs,


            6              especially when it involves a member of the


            7              police department, the rush is on to blame


            8              someone, but I am here tonight to say that I


            9              do not believe that some nights ago a young


           10              lady named Brenda Williams had any intention


           11              of being struck down in death, and I know in


           12              my heart that not one of the four policemen


           13              who entered the apartment that night planned


           14              to take anyone's life.  I believe, and I


           15              strongly believe and I'm ready to do battle


           16              for this, the guilt is laid at the feet of


           17              the mental health community.


           18                      Yes, I'm sure that there are one or


           19              two officers in Scranton who do not like


           20              African-American, Hispanic or even bi-racial


           21              population, just as there are those in my


           22              community who don't like police officers of


           23              any type whether they be state police or


           24              city police, when a policeman comes there is


           25              no respect given.  The truth is told tonight






            1              that these incidents happened because of


            2              lack of education for public service


            3              volunteers and employees.  We are surrounded


            4              in this city by universities, colleges,


            5              hospitals, and yet there is a true lack of


            6              ability in training EMT's, police officers,


            7              firemen, Crime Watch volunteers and even


            8              shelter workers in dealing with persons that


            9              delve deeper and deeper into the darkness of


           10              depression, schizophrenia, paranoia, bipolar


           11              and even pure violent anger.


           12                      Mr. Courtright, I'm speaking to you


           13              directly right now because I know you


           14              represent the police department on this


           15              council.  I hope that you can begin to make


           16              a priority list for the upcoming year and


           17              that two of the top priority items will be:


           18              One, free education in the mental health


           19              field for all persons dealing with mental


           20              patients; number two, the end of sales of


           21              handguns to persons on the street.  The


           22              voices of Brenda Williams and State Trooper


           23              Miller are screaming from beyond the grave


           24              tonight, let the death not be in vein, but


           25              let some good come from just our seconds.






            1                      The mayor has extended his hand to


            2              my community to try and make sure that this


            3              does not occur again and I am hoping that


            4              you will join him.  As I go to my seat, let


            5              me say that my heart is full of the teaching


            6              of my Lord, forgiveness and unification.  It


            7              is the only way the streets will finally be


            8              filled and cleared of humanistic blood.  I


            9              am willing to walk to and kneel at any alter


           10              with any police officer, any firemen, any


           11              correctional officer and any crime watch


           12              member, shelter worker or any member of


           13              Scranton for that matter.  I know what they


           14              face each day.


           15                      Let us end the hatred and the need


           16              for vengeance on this night and let the


           17              healing begin here in this place.  Let us


           18              not stand here waiting for someone to


           19              falter, but to extend our hands to each


           20              other and say the time to learn has arrived.


           21              The time for teaching has been long overdue.


           22              Thank you.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF:  Andy Sbaraglia.


           24                      MR. SBARAGLIA: Andy Sbaraglia,


           25              citizen of Scranton.  Fellow Scrantonians,






            1              we all know now what happened to the money


            2              that was supposedly going to Genesis


            3              Wildlife Center up there.  Apparently the


            4              mayor sandbagged the money and decided now


            5              to use it up at Hanlon's Grove which he put


            6              that tent up and destroyed the growth.  Now,


            7              he wants to redo the growth.  I don't know


            8              if we ever got the money for the tent, but


            9              he watched it deteriorate and then put the


           10              tent there and now he wants to rebuild it.


           11              Like I said before, contracts and patronage.


           12              This is how the political system works in


           13              this city and more and more contracts.


           14                      Ok, let's go onto our KOZ's and as


           15              you know there is two KOZ's now coming up,


           16              one is for a nursing home, the other is for,


           17              I don't know exactly, an office park,


           18              whether it's a reality or not I don't know,


           19              but this is what we do know, Keystone Block,


           20              which I call Galdier because they were the


           21              old owners of the Keystone Block, was a tax


           22              paying section of the city.  They weren't a


           23              KOZ.  I guess SLIPCO paid $2 million and


           24              bought the land off of Galdier.


           25                      Now, SLIPCO is nonprofit, meaning






            1              how much tax are we going to get on this


            2              nonprofit land forever.  In other words,


            3              when they bought the land they took it off


            4              the tax rolls until the end of time or until


            5              they decide to sell it for a profit


            6              somewhere along the line.  If they put up a


            7              building there or a buildings or whatever


            8              they're sort of planning we will not get any


            9              taxes on that either.  They will sit there


           10              just like the University and another section


           11              of the city being given away.


           12                      True, I don't know if anybody saw


           13              signed contracts.  He can tell you whatever


           14              he can tell you, but there either has to be


           15              signed contracts or signed letters of intent


           16              with penalties before you can even go ahead


           17              with this project.  You can't go by hearsay.


           18              You can't go by what he says.  You got to go


           19              by what's on paper.  Somewhere along the


           20              line if he has the commitment he has to have


           21              a letter of understanding with somebody and


           22              to sign a letter of understanding because he


           23              is not going to put up a building unless he


           24              got signed, obviously.  When they do things


           25              like that there is also penalties and tax to






            1              it.


            2                      Now, the nursing home.  Well, my


            3              brother-in-law is in one, you are right, a


            4              nursing home is needed probably in this


            5              city, especially in this city we're all


            6              getting there and I might end up there


            7              myself.  In fact, my brother-in-law is in


            8              one of Kelly's nursing homes as well.  I


            9              guess this is Kelly that owns it because the


           10              one that he's -- that my brother-in-law is


           11              in, Scranton Health Care Center, actually


           12              it's somebody out there owns that beyond


           13              because the bills come out of somewhere out


           14              west, so I don't know if Kelly still owns it


           15              or he is just running it, but somewhere


           16              along the line the bills come from


           17              out-of-state.  I wish I had my sister's bill


           18              here, I could see where they are coming


           19              from, but it's not -- but this is a


           20              corporation apparently.  It's not just


           21              Kelly, it's a corporation, and it's not a


           22              corporation that's headquartered in


           23              Scranton.  It's out west.  I guess he sold


           24              out, and these things you got to know before


           25              you give out KOZ's to whoever it is, you got






            1              to know everything about it.  If it's good,


            2              I can't say it's bad because, like I said


            3              before, we are all going to end up there, so


            4              it's nice to have a good one built and it's


            5              nice to have a staff in there that's fairly


            6              good, too, because I know I'm not far away


            7              from it but we got to know everything that


            8              goes with this because we are giving up a


            9              lot.


           10                      Somebody has to pay mercantile tax,


           11              earned income tax, real estate property tax,


           12              business privilege taxes, that means the


           13              rest of us got to pay for them.  The state


           14              is three billion dollars in debt.  The


           15              school board keeps raising our taxes so I


           16              don't know -- why would you transfer from


           17              one group to another group is what you are


           18              doing.  The burden of the city is being


           19              moved more and more to people that can't


           20              carry it and that's definitely going to sink


           21              it.  Nobody can take care of everything


           22              that's going on in this city and it's only


           23              going to get worse.  I thank you.


           24                      MS. EVANS: Mr. Sbaraglia, just two


           25              things quickly, I don't know if you are






            1              aware that the Greenridge Health Care Center


            2              the current building is on KOEZ land; and


            3              secondly, with regard to the tent at


            4              Hanlon's Grove, I remember asking questions


            5              at the time and what I was told was that the


            6              city was not properly insured for that and


            7              as a result the city received no insurance


            8              money for that tent.


            9                      MR. SBARAGALIA: Thank you.


           10                      MR. MCGOFF: Mr. Spindler.


           11                      MR. SPINDLER: Good evening, Council.


           12              Les Spindler, city resident and taxpayer and


           13              homeowner.  I, too, want to talk about the


           14              KOZ's.  As I stated last week, we don't need


           15              any more KOZ's in this city, we need


           16              businesses that can pay taxes and help us


           17              get out of our distressed situation.  If


           18              Austin Burke continues to say that we need


           19              to make this a KOZ or company's won't move


           20              here.  Well, yes, they will move here.  If


           21              Austin Burke can't do his job without making


           22              KOZ's then maybe we should get somebody else


           23              that could do his job.  That's his job to


           24              get businesses that come to this area and he


           25              can't do it unless he get KOZ's for people.






            1              We can't have that anymore.


            2                      Mr. McGoff, last week you said the


            3              site was a blighted area.  It wasn't a


            4              blighted area.  It was Keystone Block.  It


            5              was a working business, there was a


            6              taxpaying business, it wasn't a blighted


            7              area, and you said there was a culm dump


            8              there, there is no culm dump it was


            9              materials to make cinder blocks out of it,


           10              so I don't know what you are talking about,


           11              you are totally incorrect.


           12                      Next thing, I want to talk about


           13              Lackawanna College going up to Nay Aug Park.


           14              As I stated last week, I have the deed.  Nay


           15              Aug Park is a free and public park forever.


           16              How could a private entity go up there?


           17              There is something wrong with this.  It


           18              seems like Chris Doherty can do whatever he


           19              wants to do.  The deed says it's a free park


           20              and public park.  Now, am I going to able to


           21              use that building if they build it up there?


           22              Am I going to be able to come and go when I


           23              please?  No answer.


           24                      Anyway, I wish I had the resources


           25              to take this to court because I would have






            1              been there last week because Lackawanna


            2              College cannot go up to that park.


            3                      Oh, next thing, I just found out


            4              this week that two years ago this council


            5              give an $85,000 loan to the Aroma Cafe and


            6              I'm just wondering if that loan was paid


            7              back or maybe by getting illegal votes for


            8              Chris Doherty on election day maybe that's


            9              how they are paying the loan back, and as I


           10              stated two weeks ago -- not funny,


           11              Mr. McGoff, what they did was illegal


           12              bribing people to vote for Chris Doherty.  A


           13              judge called them and told them to stop it


           14              so it would be interesting to know if they


           15              paid back that loan or if that's the way


           16              they paid it back getting people to vote for


           17              Chris Doherty.


           18                      MS. GATELLI:  Mr. Spindler, about


           19              I'd say two months ago I checked and all for


           20              the loans were current with everyone, but


           21              I'll check again if you would like me to.


           22                      MR. SPINDLER: Thank you.  Next


           23              thing, Mrs. Evans, some more line painting.


           24              I looked -- I think the Linden Street bridge


           25              is PennDOT, but coming into the city maybe






            1              we could send them a letter.  There is no


            2              arrows on the bridge, the left lane is


            3              supposed to be a turning lane and people are


            4              constantly going straight in that lane and I


            5              go over that every single day and there is


            6              almost accidents there every single day.


            7              There is close calls every day.


            8                      MS. EVANS: So you want the traffic


            9              lanes painted.


           10                      MR. SPINDLER: Right, and on that


           11              same corner on Mifflin going towards


           12              Mulberry, I think that's the same situation


           13              there.  There is no lines, no arrows, people


           14              go straight from the turning lane.


           15                      Oh, the next thing.  Mrs. Gatelli,


           16              you said last week I brought up about Chris


           17              Cullen and the report about the stolen signs


           18              and you said Mr. Minora would call, do you


           19              know if he made that phone call?


           20                      MS. GATELLI: I don't know.


           21                      MR. SPINDLER:  Okay.  Well, you know


           22              what, I'm not going to forget about this --


           23                      MS. GATELLI:  We'll have Mrs. Garvey


           24              ask.  Would you ask Amil again to talk to


           25              him again, if he talked to Attorney Cullen.






            1                      MR. SPINDLER: The report is finished


            2              and they have identified two people, they


            3              are on the videotapes and if charges aren't


            4              brought against the people soon I will come


            5              here and say their names on live television,


            6              and I'm sure most of the people back there,


            7              I mean, everybody knows them anyone.  Most


            8              of the people back here knows who they are,


            9              but the chief says it's not a finished


           10              investigation, it is.


           11                      Next thing, again, my condolences to


           12              the Joshua Miller family and I heard on the


           13              radio today a spokesman for the state police


           14              said, "A police officer on all levels have a


           15              very dangerous job," and yet Chris Doherty


           16              debated that DPW worker's have the most


           17              dangerous job in the city.  Just shows what


           18              kind of mayor we have and what he thinks of


           19              our police officers.  He is a joke.  Thank


           20              you.


           21                      MS. EVANS: Mrs. Garvey, before I


           22              forget, could we get a letter sent about the


           23              information Mr. Spindler provided regarding


           24              the Linden Street bridge area and the area


           25              of Mifflin Avenue towards Mulberry Street






            1              that there are no lanes or turning arrows


            2              painted and it's causing problems for


            3              drivers?  Thank you.


            4                      MR. MCGOFF: I'm sorry, Mr. Morgan,


            5              if you would just wait a minute, I neglected


            6              to mention that Attorney Pat Scanlon is


            7              representing our substituting for Attorney


            8              Minora this evening and as council


            9              solicitor.  Lee Morgan.


           10                      MR. MORGAN: Good evening, Council.


           11              The first thing I have here is, you know, I


           12              really appreciate council noting the D-Day


           13              and their presentation tonight, but, you


           14              know, there were a lot more battles in


           15              Europe, there was Anzio Cassino, there was


           16              the occupational Army flying near Japan,


           17              there were the marines island hopping


           18              against the Japanese Army, there was Korea,


           19              but, you know, the one thing that really


           20              troubles me is that we seem to have


           21              forgotten the generation that never came


           22              home, and there is lot of people that run


           23              around with black MIA-POW flags and I just


           24              think that maybe we should note that we left


           25              a lot of American service personnel behind






            1              in Vietnam and never brought them home.


            2                      I'm really -- I'd have to say that,


            3              you know, my father fought in World War II


            4              and think a lot of people in my generation


            5              had relatives that fought there, but I think


            6              it's time for this country to account for


            7              all of the people we abandoned in Vietnam


            8              and never brought home, and I really don't


            9              know what's happened to them, and I have


           10              talked to Vietnam veterans from Vietnam that


           11              were in prisoner of war camps and they know


           12              absolutely without a doubt that these


           13              individuals never came home, and I don't


           14              know how this nation sleeps at night knowing


           15              that it abandoned it's own military when


           16              they were prisoners of war, and some people


           17              may not appreciate me saying that, but I


           18              guess that's what freedom of speech is all


           19              about.


           20                      The other thing is I had an


           21              opportunity with Ozzie Quinn and Marie to go


           22              to the Scranton School Board meeting


           23              yesterday and we spoke about KOZ's, and I'm


           24              here to say that I hope that this council


           25              will vote "no" on any KOZ's in any manner






            1              whatsoever in total.  It's time for them all


            2              to end.  They have been a drain on the city,


            3              on the city's neighborhoods, on the city's


            4              tax base.  If somebody has $60 million to


            5              build a project then they should have the


            6              money to pay the taxes.  We can't shift the


            7              burden to the neighborhoods, to be bluntly


            8              honest, a lot of the neighborhoods are a


            9              mess and we are all here screaming about


           10              blight continually for years and this is one


           11              of the problems we have.


           12                      Economic development should not be


           13              done on the backs of the poor or the


           14              taxpayers.  They are the same group and


           15              that's -- you know, I think that we also


           16              need to realize that if we are going to


           17              consider making modifications or amendments


           18              to the recovery plan, like I started to say


           19              last week, I think it's time to prepare the


           20              proposal, complete and bring it back to the


           21              voters and let them decide.  In my opinion,


           22              I read it the last time.  There was no


           23              recovery involved.  It was just a program in


           24              my opinion to loot the city and that's


           25              exactly in my opinion what's taken place.






            1                      I think in any Recovery Plan the


            2              city needs to go back to the debt it


            3              possessed at the time that Mayor Connors


            4              left office and the State of Pennsylvania


            5              needs to pick up all of the debt that


            6              occurred after that point because the PEL


            7              was involved.  There has been no movement to


            8              shore up this city economically.  We have


            9              been giving contracts to everyone and


           10              anyone, the PEL, I don't know what -- to be


           11              honest with you, I don't know see -- I can't


           12              point to one thing that I think they've done


           13              to benefit the residents of the city, the


           14              PEL, not one.


           15                      And, I mean, I have been here for a


           16              long time, and I really think that tonight


           17              we make it a very firm decision that


           18              economic development is going to be done


           19              here by people who have money to invest and


           20              want to stay here, and I think that when you


           21              keep doing repetitively what's been done for


           22              a very long time, and just giving people


           23              lots of money and more money and then


           24              shifting all of the taxes back to the


           25              taxpayers is a crime.  I mean, when you look






            1              at this nation and consider how it does


            2              economic development, we are building car


            3              plants for foreign corporations and giving


            4              them billions of dollar in other states and


            5              then we are wondering why we're trying to


            6              bail out GM and Chrysler.  I mean, you know,


            7              we really have to take a hard look at what


            8              we are trying to accomplish.  Are we trying


            9              to take Americans down into a state of


           10              economic poverty forever?  Because, you


           11              know, we have talked --a previous speaker


           12              talked about the State of Pennsylvania's


           13              debt, well, just take all of the states and


           14              look at their debt and look at the federal


           15              government's debt and look at the impending


           16              collapse of social security and Medicare and


           17              a lot of other things that are the


           18              underpinning of this society and it's all --


           19              it's all really a crime against the worker


           20              and the middle class, and what I'm saying to


           21              this council is this, the students in the


           22              Scranton School District deserve a quality


           23              education, somebody has to pay the taxes


           24              more than just the individual property


           25              owners.  We are going to point fingers and






            1              call people slumlords and everything else as


            2              the people with money and access to the


            3              privileged, take a free ride.  Thank you.


            4                      MR. MCGOFF: Rob Ellman.


            5                      MR. ELLMAN: Ron Ellman, member of


            6              the Taxpayers' Association.  Mr. McGoff, my


            7              fine friend, get your pencil ready.  Last


            8              week you sung the praises of those 150 KOZ


            9              houses and apartments, I want to put a


           10              pencil to it just for the school tax.


           11              Forget all of the police and fire protection


           12              and streets and sewers, forget all of that


           13              stuff they are not paying for, let's go to


           14              the school tax because they are raising that


           15              by 6 percent.  You ready?


           16                      MR. MCGOFF: I'm ready.


           17                      MR. ELLMAN: Let's just say there is


           18              100 children out of those 150 houses,


           19              there's is probably 200 but let's say there


           20              is 100 children.  Ready?  Which is --


           21              somebody asked me it's 06/10th's of a child


           22              in a house in case somebody wants to know.


           23              The school board charges approximately


           24              $10,000 a year for a child to go through the


           25              school, you know, so right there we got 100






            1              times the $10,000 there is $1 million to


            2              send these 100 children to school.  This is


            3              just minimizing it now.  Instead of 13 years


            4              which their KOZ was let's just take first to


            5              12 years from 1st to 12th grade, we got


            6              $12 million lost that we have spent


            7              $12 million on these 100 children it's gone.


            8              It will never come back.


            9                      My son was trying to sell a car to a


           10              soldier one time and it killed up like a


           11              half hour and he said, you know, you got my


           12              time, it's gone, I can't ever recover it.


           13              That's how this money is.  It's gone.  We


           14              are never going to recover it.  You with me?


           15              Right now we are a $12 million.


           16                      MR. MCGOFF: $12 million.


           17                      MR. ELLMAN: If we divide the 12


           18              million to make it more even by the 150


           19              houses it comes out to $80,000 a house


           20              approximately.  I'm just saying instead of


           21              putting the -- I said each house has


           22              6/10th's of a child using 100 children so if


           23              we divide the 150 houses into that


           24              $12 million you come out to $80,000 a house


           25              to send them to 12 years of school.  You






            1              ready?


            2                      MR. MCGOFF: Still ready.


            3                      MR. ELLMAN: No, let's just say for


            4              an instance that if they were on the payroll


            5              for 800 or 900 or $1,000 there are 150 or


            6              200,000 houses there, if they went on the


            7              payroll for $800 a year at 12 years they


            8              would have about $10,000 paid for which


            9              would be one child, so if in five or six


           10              years if they go on the rolls let's just say


           11              for $1,000 school tax, which would be $200


           12              more than I said they'd start out with, it


           13              take 400 years to makeup what they've gotten


           14              free all of this time.  It would take


           15              400 years at $200 a year to pay it back if


           16              they'd been paying the $800, you follow me?


           17                      Any kind of business -- whoever


           18              heard of something so ridiculous as this KOZ


           19              program.  That's why these fools down there


           20              that all took bribes a couple of years ago


           21              on that school board, they should have been


           22              fired instead of being allowed to put more


           23              KOZ's in here.  You know, if these people


           24              want to build a $30 million project let's


           25              see a $30 million building permit.  They're






            1              just blowing smoke in everybody's ear and


            2              the taxpayers are sick and tired of it, it


            3              just doesn't stop.


            4                      I know the people of the city much


            5              rather have $12 million from sending all of


            6              these kids to school than nothing, that's


            7              what we've gotten, nothing.  This is almost


            8              400 KOZ's and we don't get nothing.  One of


            9              you tell me now Daron Industries helps this


           10              city?  Go ahead.  How does Daron Industries,


           11              it's an illegal plant that promotes the air,


           12              the whole neighborhood is ruined and they


           13              got two KOZ's how have they helped us?  They


           14              got over -- they got $100,000 trucks


           15              avoiding the scale leaving there and running


           16              over our streets, our hundred year old


           17              streets made for little surreys with horses


           18              and things.


           19                      All these KOZ's have done is give


           20              Mr. Doherty a million dollar campaign fund


           21              to keep going.  I had a fellow come over to


           22              me last week when I was eating and he


           23              wanted, you know, he wasn't extremely happy


           24              at my answer.  He said, "It looks like I


           25              wasted my money, my contribution, doesn't






            1              it?"


            2                      I said, "Well, good for you, I'm


            3              happy you wasted it."


            4                      He said, "Well, we got six months to


            5              see what happens."


            6                      This man is going to raise all kinds


            7              of hell for the next six months just like


            8              doing what he wants at the Nay Aug Park.


            9              Whoever heard of just giving away our


           10              property.


           11                      MR. MCGOFF: Mr. Ellman, thank you.


           12                      MR. ELLMAN:  Thank you.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF:  Your time is up.  Brett


           14              McCloe.


           15                      MR. MCCLOE: Good evening.  My name


           16              is Brett McCloe, Scranton resident and


           17              taxpayer and homeowner.  I want to comment


           18              on some things I heard during last week's


           19              motions.  Once again it seems that some in


           20              this council continue to practice the art of


           21              divisiveness by separating the citizens of


           22              this city from their common sense.


           23                      First, there is no such thing as a


           24              benevolent business.  The very nature of


           25              business is to gain as much leverage and






            1              advantage over it's competitors as possible


            2              to increase their own bottom line and to


            3              ensure the survival of the company.


            4                      Second, businesses that come into


            5              this area do so with the knowledge that


            6              there is a decent system of highways that


            7              connects Northeastern Pennsylvania to the


            8              Bos-Wash corridor, the stretch of cities and


            9              communities that start in Boston and include


           10              New York City, Philadelphia, Baltimore and


           11              end in DC.  A place where nearly 60 million


           12              people or 18 percent of this nation's


           13              population live and is only on 2 percent of


           14              this nation's land of which Scranton is just


           15              west of the main.


           16                      Third, they do so with the knowledge


           17              that Scranton and the surrounding has plenty


           18              of land that could be developed for cheap


           19              and a work force that can be exploited for


           20              even cheaper.


           21                      Fourth, the investment -- the large


           22              investments these companies make is because


           23              they just like the consumer are always


           24              looking for bigger, better deal.  A silent


           25              compliant work force, a multi-level,






            1              multi-occupational lower than average system


            2              of wages, KOZ's and a progress at any cost


            3              policy has virtually insured that Scranton


            4              will remain and is a great place to start a


            5              business.  Holding on to after all of the


            6              advantages are gone is another story.  We do


            7              have a history that supports this fear.


            8              Beware, scare tactics that will tell you if


            9              we do not accept the expansion and


           10              extensions of KOZ's that they are going to


           11              somewhere else and setup shop then the


           12              marketing scheme that will tell you that


           13              these businesses will not leave once their


           14              tax advantage is up and it's time to pay the


           15              piper.  It bades one to ask the question,


           16              why do we put so much emphasis on new


           17              businesses who cannot stand on their own and


           18              at the same time negligent those who have


           19              served the public, paid their taxes and


           20              stood the test of time even through hard


           21              times.


           22                      It seems that since the powers that


           23              be are quite comfortable with the blighting


           24              of the mall at Steamtown and all of lower


           25              Lackawanna Avenue because of an unfinished






            1              bridge that cuts off 20 percent of the city


            2              and now it's easier to go to the Viewmont


            3              Mall than to get to Steamtown.


            4                      I'm not against KOZ's, but I don't


            5              share the belief that these are benevolent


            6              beings here to save the day.  It's more akin


            7              to the relationship forged in the world's


            8              oldest profession.


            9                      Also, for people who claim to know


           10              so much about the business their seems to be


           11              a disconnect with reality.  Any merchant can


           12              tell you there is no such thing as an extra


           13              thousand cans of soda or an extra thousand


           14              snicker bars when you need to offset the


           15              loss of sales of 5,000 cans of soda and


           16              5,000 snicker bars because the people of


           17              this city have to start cutting back due to


           18              a sluggish economy.  Of course, the response


           19              will be, at least it's better than nothing.


           20              It's just ashame that we keep on using


           21              nothing as the standard.  Then again, how


           22              much will the combined KOZ's be paying in


           23              taxes once their KOZ's expire?  It would


           24              only be logical that you would know how much


           25              they are worth and how much our city will be






            1              getting, and I would hope that somebody can


            2              tell us some type of number.


            3                      I ask because the word long-term is


            4              being thrown around as if the average sit


            5              send is it not understand the concept.  As a


            6              matter of fact, we do had.  When it comes to


            7              the economy there once again there is no


            8              such thing as long-term.  You blink an eye


            9              and 20 years will pass.  Recessions and


           10              depressions will come and go.  In this city


           11              long-term simply means you are never going


           12              to live to see or enjoy the results.  Thank


           13              you.


           14                      MR. MCGOFF: David Dobrzyn.


           15                      MR. DOBRZYN:  Good evening, city


           16              council.  Dave Dobson, resident of the City


           17              of Scranton, member of the Taxpayers'


           18              Association.  First, I'd like to address


           19              something about Nay Aug, and I hope you find


           20              it positive.  I think it's called Smallcomb


           21              Pavilion at Nay Aug and it's my


           22              understanding that it was renovated and I'd


           23              like to represent that in cases like this


           24              you should get a program, I seen it before


           25              but maybe it's not aware you are just






            1              actively looking out for these people to


            2              give them some kind of recognition, a little


            3              plaque or something and bring them in


            4              because.  I mean, whoever did that, did a


            5              really nice job.  The question on Nay Aug is


            6              why do we always have to give around the


            7              city a 99-year lease to somebody who hasn't


            8              really produced anything yet.  I would think


            9              that like a new employee it would be better


           10              if you put them on a probationary period and


           11              if they don't deliver in a year or two then


           12              maybe it's time to look on instead of having


           13              them standing there with the 99-year


           14              guarantee in their hands.


           15                      On 5-F, one of the things that


           16              really concerns me about these KOZ's is


           17              earned income tax profits.  That's really


           18              stretching it when a employee after we


           19              extended ourselves, and they might not even


           20              live in town and we have no earned income


           21              tax on these properties, it's really ashame.


           22              A lot of people come up here to talk tonight


           23              about KOZ's and some of them are a little


           24              more knowledgeable than me but, once again,


           25              we should start to consider this in the






            1              future.  Time a running out and hopefully


            2              the law won't be renewed and if it does get


            3              renewed maybe you people should get together


            4              with everyone else and put some input into


            5              it because obviously too much is being


            6              afforded.


            7                      Large tracts of land exist in south


            8              and north Scranton which still could be used


            9              for industrial purposes.  Much of this land


           10              is Brownfield.  Rail service is available.


           11              If runs throughout the whole valley and


           12              local government, federal, state and local


           13              government focus on free trade instead of


           14              fair trade has diminished this over the


           15              years and it's really ashame because there


           16              are only so many people that can handle the


           17              college education or can handle a high tech


           18              job and if you look around and you start


           19              seeing homeless people and you realize 30,


           20              40 years ago they probably sat in a factory


           21              putting a screw in the hole, well, now they


           22              are jobless and homeless because there is no


           23              use for them on super high tech jobs or what


           24              have you and these organizations I'd like to


           25              see pull together such as the Chamber of






            1              Commerce.  It's really ashame that all we


            2              wind up with is office space and medical


            3              facilities.


            4                      We have hospitals that are required


            5              if you are taking a heart attack, if you


            6              have been in a traffic accident, if you are


            7              a gunshot victim, they have to take you in


            8              and, unfortunately, these tax free satellite


            9              clinics setup by a few doctors on a


           10              specialty issue they don't have to do


           11              anything for you and the hospital takes the


           12              loss and the carrier in the hospital suffers


           13              and I really would love to see some day the


           14              Chamber of Commerce, commissioners, school


           15              board, council and the mayor and whoever


           16              else, the governor, upfeed this to your


           17              local representatives, your state


           18              representatives and your federal


           19              representatives only paying and community


           20              supporting businesses need apply.


           21                      And, furthermore, yes, we do ignore


           22              all too often somebody that's been here for


           23              30 or 40 years.  They keep on paying and the


           24              new guy that comes into the neighborhood


           25              gets a free ride.  Thank you and have a good






            1              night.


            2                      MR. MCGOFF: Nancy.


            3                      MS. KRAKE: Good evening, Council.  I


            4              have a couple of announcements.  First,


            5              there was a public meeting for the stimulus


            6              monies that are coming to Lackawanna County


            7              on Friday and there was a huge amount of


            8              information given at the Career Link, so if


            9              anyone at all as an employer or possibly an


           10              employable person, low to moderate income,


           11              24 years or age or younger would like to


           12              inquire about this money I suggest they call


           13              the Career Link.  There is a very large


           14              amount of money and it needs to be spent


           15              very quickly.  If you can call I know Judy


           16              will, the CETA programs and the JPTA


           17              basically is resurrecting them which is


           18              wonderful news.  I know a lot of people of


           19              my generation grew up using those, so that


           20              was my one announcement I had.


           21                      I'd like to talk about the KOZ


           22              properties.  I think, as with a lot of


           23              things, the intent of KOZ was probably not


           24              wrong.  They thought it would lure


           25              businesses, they thought it would






            1              communities.  Unfortunately, it just hasn't


            2              seem to work out quite as planned.  There


            3              was a lack of follow-through on businesses


            4              staying in communities.  As Mr. Ellman


            5              pointed out, it's almost impossible to get


            6              that money back and the burden falls then on


            7              the taxpayers that remain.


            8                      There is a couple of things I think


            9              maybe we want to think about since we are


           10              I'm sure going to be voting in the positive


           11              or the affirmative for these because it's


           12              almost too tempting not to.  Maybe there


           13              could be a column of policies.  Anyone


           14              receiving the extended KOZ maybe we would


           15              like to ask them to guarantee that in lieu


           16              of taxes a donation.  This would be a signed


           17              good faith from the recipients.  Maybe we


           18              could establish some sort of incentive that


           19              their businesses remain in our city and


           20              don't just take the money, develop and run.


           21              There's a lot of money in the developing


           22              end.  They don't need to stay here.  We need


           23              them to stay, they don't need to stay.


           24                      I think before we vote for this we


           25              should be thinking these things through.






            1              After all, we didn't have a problem raising


            2              property taxes and then imposing huge fines


            3              on our homeowners who couldn't afford the


            4              taxes.  Why can't we now take a step back


            5              and say we want to put a couple of things in


            6              place before you folks get all our money


            7              again?  I do not think that's unreasonable.


            8                      I also, and I'm not sure, but any


            9              time any properties appear on the agenda or


           10              in the backup for that matter, they should


           11              be identified with a map number.  Phyllis is


           12              here.  When you don't have a map number it's


           13              almost impossible to figure out exactly


           14              where these properties are, so from your


           15              backup, I don't think you really know what


           16              we are talking about.  If you were to look


           17              at the map of the city it's impossible to


           18              know.  It looks like, in fact, to me, which


           19              I could be totally wrong and I was hoping


           20              Mr. Minora was here tonight, but it look


           21              like parcel one was conveyed to the grantor,


           22              Keystone Block, by the deed of the


           23              Redevelopment Authority and then it looks


           24              like we bought it from Keystone Block, so we


           25              bought something back from ourselves sort of






            1              indirectly?  I don't know.  I don't know if


            2              that's true or not and I don't want to


            3              accuse anyone of it, but I would really like


            4              to know the answer.  I would hope that


            5              people on council would like to know that,


            6              also.


            7                      I'd also like to know, is anyone on


            8              council attending or planning on


            9              representing council I should say in the


           10              meetings with the Pennsylvania Economy


           11              League or the new Recovery Plan?


           12                      MS. EVANS: I'm not sure.


           13                      MS. FANUCCI: I have always done it


           14              in the past but because I probably will not


           15              be here I know Mrs. Evans had attended one


           16              before, maybe she would want to maybe sit in


           17              on them.


           18                      MS. KRAKE: So council hasn't been


           19              contacted yet by the Pennsylvania economy


           20              league?


           21                      MS FANUCCI: I have not.


           22                      MS. EVANS: No.


           23                      MS. KRAKE: Has it started again?


           24                      MS. FANUCCI: I have not.


           25                      MS. KRAKE:  I would hope that






            1              whoever is attending these meetings would


            2              then bring back every week what goes on.  I


            3              think that would be the best thing.  The


            4              last time it was as with everything, with


            5              Act 47, with KOZ's, with the Recovery Plan,


            6              it's all or none, like it or leave it, and


            7              that's where all of the pain begins instead


            8              of the communication, transparency and input


            9              from everyone we have to have the forcing of


           10              everything and that's always the problem.


           11                      MS. GATELLI:  Nancy, just for the


           12              record, I do think that Mrs. Garvey


           13              attended.  Didn't you go to the PEL meeting?


           14                      MS. GARVEY: Not when they were


           15              discussing the Recovery Pan.


           16                      MS. GATELLI: But you did attend the


           17              ones --


           18                      MS. GARVEY:  I attended one.


           19                      MS. KRAKE: I have one more thing, I


           20              noticed, and this has been consistently true


           21              every week, it's a fire hazard, the second


           22              door -- the second floor door here is locked


           23              and also the third floor to the balcony, and


           24              I know when we requested to have it unlocked


           25              they unlock and lock it again, so thank you.






            1                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Mrs. Krake, I think


            2              this door is stuck.  They told me it was


            3              locked before and we whacked it, it opened


            4              up, so maybe we'll have -- he is going out


            5              know there now and he is going to check on


            6              it.  Not that door, the door outside,


            7              correct.  One time before they told us it


            8              was locked and --


            9                      MS. FANUCCI: It was stuck.


           10                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Maybe it is locked.


           11              Does somebody want to go out and check on


           12              it?  I'll go check on it.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF: I was going to say prior


           14              to Mrs. Schumacher suggesting that I attend


           15              the Recovery Plan meetings, if, in fact, we


           16              get information when they are being held I


           17              will make an attempt to, you know, if I'm


           18              available since I know Mrs. Schumacher


           19              suggested before that I have a lot of time


           20              on my hands.


           21                      MS. SCHUMACHER:  We retirees do.


           22              Marie Schumacher, city resident, member of


           23              the Taxpayers' Association.  I'd like to


           24              start off with just a couple of smaller


           25              items, but ones I don't want to slip away.






            1              Mrs. Gatelli, have you followed up with


            2              Mr. Minora on what conditions of the Ice Box


            3              agreement have not been met that would


            4              require them to pay the $600,000 rental?


            5              Because I read that a couple of weeks ago


            6              and I have checked every one and every one


            7              that I checked was fulfilled, so I would


            8              really like to know and it's been dragging


            9              on for weeks and weeks.


           10                      Next, does anybody know if the Tripp


           11              Park Village runoff solution has been


           12              decided on and performed or are the


           13              taxpayers still at risk?


           14                      MS. GATELLI:  No, they got a court


           15              order for that several weeks ago --


           16                      MS. SCHUMACHER: That was --


           17                      MS. GATELLI: About the runoff, the


           18              build up there?


           19                      MS. SCHUMACHER:  No, no, no. The


           20              initial problem, the runoff that needs to be


           21              fixed?


           22                      MS. GATELLI: Oh, I don't know about


           23              that.


           24                      MS. SCHUMACHER:  Well, if the


           25              developer doesn't do it we taxpayers are on






            1              the hook, so I think it's --


            2                      MS. GATELLI:  I don't imagine that


            3              the developer will do it.


            4                      MS. SCHUMACHER:  Well --


            5                      MS. GATELLI:  I highly doubt that.


            6                      MS. SCHUMACHER:  I'd like an answer.


            7                      MS. GATELLI: They don't even see the


            8              man.


            9                      MS. SCHUMACHER: My time.  I'd like a


           10              report on what the city is doing.  Next, the


           11              Home Rule Charter.  A long time ago it was


           12              suggested the Home Rule Charter needed an


           13              update and I have not seen anything further


           14              on the Home Rule Charter.


           15                      MS. GATELLI: Well, no one seemed


           16              interested in it.


           17                      MS. SCHUMACHER:  I was reviewing the


           18              minutes of the March 24 meeting of this year


           19              and I don't know if anybody reads these


           20              before you approve them sort of routinely


           21              every week, but I know it was an innocent


           22              error, but there are many places where --


           23              that was the evening that Mr. McGovern was


           24              here and a lot of what was obviously Mr.


           25              McGovern speaking was attributed to






            1              Mr. McGoff and we know that know.  I mean,


            2              we know that know because we are sitting


            3              here, but in the future it may not be --


            4              somebody may want to go back and correct


            5              those minutes it it's possible to do it once


            6              they have been approved.


            7                      MS. GATELLI: I don't.


            8                      MS. SCHUMACHER:  On the 7-B tonight


            9              who is the current finance manager.  This is


           10              giving some duties to the finance manager


           11              and I couldn't find any finance manager even


           12              on the list of employees, so I think it


           13              would -- I don't know why we are giving some


           14              authority to someone to a position that I


           15              don't even think exists in the city, so --


           16                      MS. GARVEY:  I believe that may be


           17              Mary Lou Gorman, but I'd have to check it


           18              for sure.


           19                      MS. SCHUMACHER: Okay, and now


           20              finally and back to an appeal to please,


           21              please not vote to extend the KOZ.  I know


           22              there is at least two votes, they made their


           23              reasons clear, but last week I know Mrs.


           24              Fanucci said it was just to show support,


           25              Well, it's a whole lot more than support.






            1              As people have stated tonight, it's the city


            2              tax on the land and the improvements that


            3              are going to be made, it's the earned income


            4              tax, it's the state taxes on net profits,


            5              it's the city's mercantile tax, it's the


            6              city's business privilege tax, and I believe


            7              maybe even the local services tax of their


            8              employees so it's not just support, it's a


            9              big time loss of revenue, and if they


           10              produce the advertised employment of 1,000


           11              people then you take the average salary for


           12              this area and you are giving away just in


           13              the earned income tax close to


           14              three-quarters of a million dollars a year


           15              for seven years, and maybe as long as ten,


           16              because if not all of these buildings are


           17              built they can come back and go after you


           18              for ten years from the year that the


           19              building was put up, so this is big time


           20              loss of revenue and as others have pointed


           21              out, I know it shouldn't be on your


           22              shoulders what other agencies are doing, but


           23              the states taking about taxes and, the


           24              school board is going to be a big time


           25              trouble here with the three years -- since






            1              2004 the city has allowed to only contribute


            2              to the pension fund at a rate of 4.78


            3              percent and in 2012, if I may complete this?


            4              Thank you.  In 2012 they have to increase


            5              that and that's going to be at least four


            6              times what they are paying now and possibly


            7              as much as eight, that's going to be a lot


            8              of mils.  They are going to do the CTC and


            9              guess what, it all comes from the same


           10              pocketbooks and the problem is you are


           11              either going to be creating -- when you do


           12              that you are either going to be creating


           13              blight because people aren't going to be


           14              able to keep up their properties or they are


           15              going to be empty and maybe sit there


           16              because there is lot of empty properties


           17              that aren't selling and also you are going


           18              to be get probably mostly of the elderly


           19              people and if you build them with people


           20              with more kids you are just -- I mean, a


           21              balance would be nice.  We need some of the


           22              elderly because they don't have children, so


           23              I urge you to vote "no" on KOZ extensions,


           24              all of them.  Thank you.


           25                      MR. TALIMINI: Joe Talimini.  I don't






            1              represent anybody but myself.  I live in the


            2              City of Scranton.  We might as well say this


            3              is kind of a show and tell in nursery


            4              school, and there on Item B for introduction


            5              and ordinance, it's certain designated


            6              streets in the City of Scranton.  Can


            7              anybody tell me what street in the City of


            8              Scranton where they need a jake brake, why


            9              any truck needs to use a jake brake?


           10                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Yes.  There are


           11              several because --


           12                      MR. TALIMINI: Where?


           13                      MR. COURTRIGHT: -- the grade


           14              isn't -- the grade isn't as great as you


           15              would think it would be if they were coming


           16              down say Jackson Street on Keyser Avenue, if


           17              they are coming down the road, I believe


           18              they said parts of Main Avenue, parts of


           19              Luzerne Street.


           20                      MR. TALIMINI: Coming up Adams Avenue


           21              on North Washington Avenue, on Mulberry


           22              Street, coming down Mulberry Street to


           23              Wyoming, is there a need for a jake brake


           24              there?


           25                      MR. COURTRIGHT: No.  I don't know if






            1              it's a state -- it's the one in the backup,


            2              but Lieutenant Thomas from the Scranton


            3              Police Department, I believe, and Patrolman


            4              Tommy Dean, they went throughout the city


            5              and by PennDOT's ordinance what they


            6              verified they picked the ones that were not


            7              to use the jake brakes.


            8                      MR. TALIMINI: I think it would be a


            9              good idea if they opened their eyes around


           10              us, we have speed limits in the city.  There


           11              is no need for a jake brake unless they are


           12              exceeding the speed limit in this city.


           13                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Well, I mean, if


           14              they are coming in, if they got a heavy load


           15              especially on Jackson Street and they coming


           16              down that big hill they use it.  I mean, I


           17              think we all know why they use it, they use


           18              it so they save on the brakes, it just makes


           19              a lot of noise.


           20                      MR. TALIMINI: Well, if you are


           21              coming off Adams Avenue in front of a --


           22              let's say, a low income project opposite a


           23              senior citizen's project coming onto North


           24              Washington Avenue at 60 miles an hour, hell,


           25              yes you are going to need the jake brake






            1              when you hit that curb, and that's used


            2              quite continuously, but that's the only


            3              place I could think of where it's used


            4              continuously, and I'll agree with you.


            5              There are certain streets in here, but I


            6              think if they don't exceed the speed limit


            7              they don't need a jake brake.  You know that


            8              as well as I do.


            9                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Right.  This is to


           10              prevent them from using the jake brake.  We


           11              are going to put signage up stopping them --


           12                      MR. TALIMINI: -- on designated


           13              streets.


           14                      MS. GATELLI: Yeah, there will only


           15              be certain streets --


           16                      MR. TALIMINI:  It should say no jake


           17              brakes used in the City of Scranton.


           18                      MS. GATELLI: Jackson isn't even on


           19              here.


           20                      MR. COURTRIGHT: That's dictated by


           21              PennDOT.  That's where they would need jake


           22              brakes.  That's not for us to determine,


           23              that's PennDOT that determined it.


           24                      MR. TALIMINI: Well, PennDOT, you


           25              know, you don't have a lot of stock in






            1              PennDOT.  We are still waiting for


            2              Washington Avenue would be paved.


            3                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I'm sorry, what did


            4              you say?


            5                      MR. TALIMINI: I said we are still


            6              waiting for Washington Avenue to be paved


            7              and that's PennDOT's project.


            8                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I know, I can't


            9              answer it.


           10                      MR. TALIMINI: How much stock do you


           11              put in PennDOT?  Okay, let's get back to


           12              some of these items on the agenda here.  The


           13              transfer of $50,000 from the Genesis


           14              Wildlife Refuge to the Department of Parks


           15              and Recreation capital expenditures.  Why


           16              the hell didn't you give the $50,000 to


           17              Genesis Wildlife Center in the beginning?


           18              They probably would still be here.  But


           19              there is no logic involved in that because


           20              this was not one of the pet projects you


           21              people decided on.  I say you people, that


           22              includes your mayor and your administration.


           23                      I also look at an introduction


           24              authorizing the mayor and council, this is


           25              Item 5-A you people are --  8$5,000 for an






            1              enterprise zone revolving loan fund program,


            2              and we could go over a few more.  Item 7-D,


            3              $50,000 for Custom Kitchens, Incorporated.


            4              Item 5-E -- or 7-E, $35,000 for Backyard Ale


            5              House.  You know, I'm want to tell you


            6              something, I get e-mails from all over the


            7              world and a lot of these people who formerly


            8              lived in Scranton, they want to come back


            9              from Europe to move to Scranton to open a


           10              business with city money.


           11                      MS. FANUCCI:  They should.


           12                      MR. TALIMINI: Because that's exactly


           13              what this amounts to.


           14                      MS. FANUCCI:  They should, I would


           15              be thrilled.


           16                      MR. TALIMINI: They should except for


           17              one thing, they've got more sense.  They


           18              know that unless they are politically


           19              connected they are not going to get this.


           20                      MS. FANUCCI: That's ridiculous.


           21                      MR. TALIMINI: Oh, well, I'm sorry


           22              that' --


           23                      MS. FANUCCI: That's a ridiculous


           24              statement and very inaccurate.


           25                      MR. TALIMINI: It's my time --






            1                      MS. FANUCCI:  Well, don't ask for an


            2              answer.


            3                      MR. TALIMINI: You'll have your time


            4              after mine is up, so shut up.


            5                      MR. MCGOFF:  Excuse me.


            6                      MR. TALIMINI: I've had it.  If you


            7              can't keep her under control we will.


            8                      MR. MCGOFF: It was unnecessary.


            9                      MR. TALIMINI: Well, it may be


           10              unnecessary, but so is she.


           11                      MS. FANUCCI: Shows you the kind of


           12              person are and that's all we need.


           13                      MR. TALIMINI: Please.


           14                      MS. FANUCCI:  You never want the


           15              answers.


           16                      MR. TALIMINI: The KOZ's, now, are


           17              you going to tell me that they signed a


           18              contract in 2008 with Lackawanna Industrial


           19              building company with this Mount Pleasant


           20              Corporate Center?  They have already signed


           21              a contract for construction, if they don't


           22              get their KOZ they will leave town?  Who is


           23              whistling Dixie here?


           24                      MS. FANUCCI: They are not leaving


           25              here.






            1                      MR. TALIMINI: Who is whistling Dixie


            2              here, the construction work has already


            3              started, so if they don't get their KOZ I


            4              doubt very much Austin Burke is going to


            5              packed his bags and leave town.  He is


            6              making far too much money here.


            7                      Now, I would like to propose


            8              something, Mr. Courtright, I mentioned this


            9              to you once before, Lackawanna College


           10              making their parking lot, can't they put a


           11              "No Right Turn" sign there?


           12                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  I asked for that


           13              from the college.  We didn't get it.  I'll


           14              ask again.


           15                      MR. TALIMINI: Yeah, please, because


           16              they make those turns coming --


           17                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Onto Washington;


           18              right?


           19                      MR. TALIMINI: Right.


           20                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Yeah, I asked once


           21              before and they haven't done it.


           22                      MR. TALIMINI:  We will all chip in


           23              and buy the sign if they want.


           24                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  I think they got


           25              the money.






            1                      MR. TALIMINI: I would also like to


            2              ask to the KOZ to COZ, please.


            3                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.


            4                      MR. TALIMINI: COC, con our citizens,


            5              that's what it amounts to.  Thank you very


            6              much.


            7                      MS. HUMPHRIES: I hope we get this


            8              right.  My name is Phyllis Bernadette Fatima


            9              Yasmine, also known as Mary.  May the peace


           10              of Jesus Christ be with you.  The true peace


           11              will come and peace will come.  I want to


           12              come forward that there is no signs in the


           13              airport on the board that are being battered


           14              and abused.  Our fallen shoulders, the


           15              sadness of Mrs. Williams.  Our troopers, our


           16              police department, our children, our


           17              parents, our aunts, our uncles, our nieces,


           18              our nephews, what is happening in the City


           19              of Scranton, but also in the world.


           20                      You know, I come up here and I kind


           21              of say a lot things because it's in my


           22              heart.  Mrs. Fanucci, you had said a week or


           23              two weeks ago that people come up and they


           24              have their own agenda, but if we truly


           25              didn't have city council here that we could






            1              get up and say what's on our mind whether it


            2              be posttraumatic or it be financial or


            3              whether it be a hole in the ground,


            4              electricity, water, I want to tell you I


            5              have the good, the bad and the ugly, and


            6              this is the way I am because I'm truthful,


            7              but I want to tell you with our fire


            8              department.


            9                      I have been very sick and I really


           10              shouldn't be here, I have bronchitis real


           11              bad, and I went to the doctor in the morning


           12              and the doctor wasn't there.  So I went home


           13              and the elevator have been broken for many,


           14              many years over there, and there is a lot of


           15              things that has to be addressed.  With me


           16              and my life and with many of the people in


           17              the City of Scranton.


           18                      What happened is I was on the third


           19              floor, my daughter didn't have a phone, and


           20              I was going to the fifth floor to my floor


           21              and in the process when I got out there the


           22              lady says -- all of the people were there


           23              and says, "Where you going?"


           24                      I says, "I'm going to up to the


           25              fifth floor to make a telephone call."






            1                      And I didn't want to tell them where


            2              I was going because some of them have told


            3              me things that are really a bad situation.


            4              They went and assume on what they think they


            5              see, they really don't know the actions of a


            6              person or their heart, but I was going to


            7              call 911.  She says, well, you know, I


            8              didn't tell her -- she says -- I looked at


            9              everybody and I said, "The elevators are


           10              broke."  I said, "Well what do you think


           11              about that?  What are you going to do when


           12              an emergency --" but I was in an emergency.


           13                      So we used -- a beautiful woman, she


           14              is like in her 80's, Gert, she let me use


           15              the phone and her kindness in her heart and


           16              not judgment, not listening to all of the


           17              gossip that goes on, so the fire -- the two


           18              attendants came, there were little girls and


           19              they are like maybe 100 pounds soaking wet


           20              and I'm like over 200, babies, and so I


           21              looked at the two of them and I said, "Oh,


           22              my God, what are you going to do?"


           23                      And she says -- and they looked at


           24              each other, I says if we go down the steps


           25              it's going to be one girl is Jack and Jill






            1              and my name is Jill and it's going to be


            2              like Jill and Jill went up the hill to fetch


            3              a pail of water, Jill fell down and broke


            4              her crown and Jill came tumbling after, so


            5              they said, "We are going to need help."


            6                      So, they called -- they called for


            7              help and the fire department came.  They


            8              came.  One left for the Veteran's Hospital,


            9              one left -- I don't know where the other two


           10              guys did.  So, you know, I'm the type of


           11              person growing up I never looked at the


           12              muscles of a guy or looked a man in a


           13              derogatory way, but it wasn't derogatory,


           14              but all of these real hunks and different


           15              sizes, I was thinking is this the blessing


           16              I'm getting for being 61 years old?  When I


           17              was suffering what I do is I joke about


           18              everything, so I looked at them and I said,


           19              "Do you guys lift weights?


           20                      And I says, "Do you exercise?"


           21                      I was so shocked like when I seen


           22              all of the different sizes with these muscle


           23              and their -- oh, my God, right?  And I says


           24              -- and yes, smiled, because they know me.


           25              They said Phyllis, they all know my name.






            1              You know what happened is we have going to


            2              have to get one ever these electric or


            3              hydraulic chairs to take her, right?


            4                      So I went, "Oh, my God," right.  Now


            5              I'm going down and I said, well, this is


            6              unbelievable.  Well, they got me down and


            7              they got me to the hospital and I had


            8              bronchitis.  I was going to pay for a taxi


            9              to come back out -- not a taxi, an ambulance


           10              to come back because the insurances don't


           11              pay for going back because I figured the


           12              elevators were down and I wouldn't be able


           13              to make it up all of those steps, but after


           14              when they put me in the ambulance my


           15              daughter did come.


           16                      And so we are going to have to look


           17              at the good things with the bad things.  I


           18              love my firemen, I love my -- because I


           19              called Mayor Doherty up and I told him --


           20              well, I didn't speak -- he never speaks on


           21              the phone, and I just tell him that I love


           22              him.  I forgive him for what he did, but I


           23              know he is going to try to do better.


           24              That's what I feel.


           25                      I know we got beautiful people here.






            1              I know there is going to be a big change


            2              over and everything, and like I don't agree


            3              with some of the things, but you know what,


            4              this is about humanity, this is about the


            5              humanist.  This is about love and trying to


            6              pull together in the City of Scranton and to


            7              keep ongoing on.  God bless you and take


            8              care of yourself.


            9                      And I want to extend again my


           10              sympathy to the Williams' family because I


           11              know the girl and I know the family, I grew


           12              up with one of the girls.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF:  Thank you.  Phyllis,


           14              you have to finish.


           15                      MS. HUMPHRIES:  You know what, it's


           16              never to short to keep it long and it's


           17              never long too keep it short with a word


           18              that's going to hit a point to the heart.


           19                      MS. FRANUS:  Fay Franus.  I don't


           20              know, Mrs. Evans, maybe you want to see if


           21              you can do something about this 3011-3009


           22              block on Cedar Avenue, it's a condemned


           23              house or it's a vacant house, but the lot is


           24              all overgrown, so I don't know if the city


           25              would take care of that or not, but I would






            1              just ask you that.


            2                      MS. EVANS: What's the address again?


            3                      MS. FRANUS:  3011-3009, it's a


            4              double block, I believe it's vacant.  It


            5              might even be condemned, but it's really,


            6              really --


            7                      MS. EVANS: Okay.


            8                      MS. FRANUS:  And I would just ask


            9              that you not vote for the KOZ's.  I know


           10              some of you have your ideas about it, but


           11              the average person in the city we can't keep


           12              on paying the bills.  Judy, I don't know


           13              where you coming from here with this, but I


           14              hope you say "no" because I think you are


           15              the deciding vote here, I hope.  So please


           16              do the right thing this time and for the


           17              people, please.  That's all.


           18                      Just one more thing about Kenny


           19              McDowell, I read once where, I don't know


           20              where it was from, but I believe it was a


           21              legal paper that if one of the governing


           22              bodies in the City, for example, or the


           23              county, school board, county or city council


           24              asks for an investigation of the tax office


           25              that District Attorney Jarbola will have to






            1              investigate if one of the governing bodies


            2              asked for an investigation.  I called the


            3              county, AJ Munchak said, no, he doesn't want


            4              to do it.  He can't explain his reasons


            5              because who knows what they are.  I didn't


            6              speak with the school board, I would think


            7              though if they were going to do it they


            8              would have done it by now, so I would ask,


            9              could I ask this question, will you consider


           10              asking for an investigation into the tax


           11              office?  All of you, just not just one


           12              person.  I think Mrs. Evans' asked once, but


           13              there was never anybody --could I ask you


           14              know each one of you would you consider


           15              that?  Sherry?


           16                      MS. FANUCCI: I would consider it.


           17              Absolutely.


           18                      MS. FRANUS:  Could I just say one


           19              more thing, could you make a motion tonight


           20              to do so and just so I have it on the record


           21              because this is the law.  I would really


           22              like see an investigation of this tax


           23              office.  If one of the governing bodies says


           24              that it has to be investigated that he has


           25              to because so far he is not -- he was quick






            1              to say -- Jarbola was quick to say about


            2              Bobby Bolus when he ran that if he won he


            3              couldn't serve, well, the Supreme Court said


            4              that Kenny McDowell could run but he could


            5              not serve, and here he is serving all


            6              because District Attorney Jarbola refuses to


            7              investigate, but with the help of you, the


            8              five of you, maybe we would get this ball


            9              rolling, if nothing else take him out of


           10              office because he is doing that illegally


           11              and to investigate the tax office with all


           12              of the problems, so would you please put it


           13              in a motion tonight and vote on this,


           14              please.  Mr. McGoff, would you be willing or


           15              somebody to make a motion?


           16                      MR. MCGOFF: We'll see if somebody


           17              makes a motion.


           18                      MS. FRANUS:  I hope that you do


           19              something about this tonight because it's


           20              gone on too far.  I mean, I read in the


           21              paper where the FBI didn't want to do


           22              anything.  I mean, the FBI can't they, even


           23              told me.  The District Attorney is the only


           24              one that can do it.  So, please, please,


           25              please, do something about this.  Thank you.






            1                      MR. UNGVARSKY: Good evening, city


            2              council.  I'm Tom Ungvarsky, and I'm a


            3              member of the Scranton and Lackawanna County


            4              Taxpayers.  I'd like to say a few things


            5              about Lackawanna College.  I understand that


            6              last week they appeared before the Pinebrook


            7              Neighborhood Association and they got


            8              permission for the Chick Fellman baseball


            9              field.  Now, I don't know if we are going to


           10              fall into the same trap that we fell into


           11              with the South Side complex, but those


           12              people have worked on that ball field for


           13              years.  They are promised lighting and all


           14              and they never got it.


           15                      Also, I understand that Lackawanna


           16              College is going to get the Manhattan Shirt


           17              plant, is that going to be another property


           18              taken off the tax rolls?


           19                      MS. GATELLI:  There is nothing in


           20              there now I don't think.  It's empty.


           21                      MS. FANUCCI: It's empty.


           22                      MS. EVANS: If they take it over


           23              rather than --


           24                      MS. UNGVARSKY: I would imagine it's


           25              either paying taxes or putting a lien on it.






            1              Also, while I'm not against Lackawanna


            2              College having the Genesis Zoo Center, I


            3              just don't understand how the state can many


            4              up with $1 million and the city coming up


            5              with funds for it in a matter of a few days


            6              and they can't come up with a million


            7              dollars or so for the Scranton State School


            8              for the Deaf.  It seems as though we have


            9              money for everything else expect worthwhile


           10              causes.  Thank you.


           11                      MR. JACKOWITZ: Bill Jackowitz.


           12              South Scranton resident and member of the


           13              Taxpayers' Association.  I, too, would like


           14              to start off talking about the tax office.


           15              Last week I spoke about the Single Tax Law


           16              1929 being broken.  It's been reported, I


           17              think everyone knows the law has been


           18              broken, something needs to be done about


           19              this.  If it's a summary offense it's a


           20              summary offense.  If it's a misdemeanor,


           21              it's a misdemeanor.  If it's a felony, it's


           22              a felony.  The bottom line is the law has


           23              been broken and I respectfully request that


           24              city council initiate some sort of action to


           25              ask the district attorney to investigate






            1              into this.  If there is nothing there, fine,


            2              but it's been reported over and over again


            3              that the law has been broken.


            4                      Now, last week I was given some


            5              information from Attorney Jarbola and


            6              basically this is about the $12 million and


            7              the $2 million, which I'm not -- I have


            8              never spoken about that.  You know, I don't


            9              particularly agree with the fact that the


           10              FBI is saying that it would be too


           11              complicated to investigate.  Hey, $2 million


           12              or a $1 million of taxpayers' money is


           13              something to me that should be investigated,


           14              I'm not happy about it, but I can't do


           15              anything about it, but we as citizens of


           16              this city, you know, all I'm asking for is


           17              that someone look into this.


           18                      If the law -- if the Single Tax Law


           19              of 1929 -- or correction, Single Tax Law


           20              1929 has been violated then we need to know


           21              about that and let the cards fall where they


           22              fall.  That's all I'm asking for, you know,


           23              again, some cooperation.  I think


           24              cooperation between all elected officials


           25              and all elected bodies in this city and in






            1              county and in this state you know, we need


            2              to cooperate you know, city council, school


            3              boards, county commissioners, mayor, state


            4              representatives, state senators, governor,


            5              you know, we are all Pennsylvanians.  We are


            6              all United State senators --or citizens,


            7              excuse me.  We need -- I wish I was -- no,


            8              I'm glad I'm not a senator to be honest with


            9              you, I probably wouldn't be very good.


           10                      You know, again, we were talking


           11              about veterans earlier.  You know, veterans,


           12              all veterans, you know, they all sign a


           13              blank check up to and including their lives,


           14              and there is a lot of veterans who gave


           15              their lives, you know, and now all I'm


           16              asking for is the elected officials to, you


           17              know, pitch in and chip in and do their


           18              part.  You know, let's make this a better


           19              place, and we all talk about progressive


           20              city and a better place to live and a better


           21              place to play, well, let's do it.  Let's do


           22              it as a community not as, you know, not as


           23              one group over here and one group over here


           24              and one group in the middle and everybody


           25              arguing and fighting with each other.






            1                      I mean, I have never backed away


            2              from a good fight and I never will, but most


            3              of the time fighting doesn't solve anything,


            4              cooperation will go a lot longer than


            5              arguing and bickering and everything else.


            6                      As far as Austin Burke and the


            7              Chamber of Commerce, again, I have asked I


            8              don't know how many times, why can't we


            9              invite Austin Burke and the Chamber of


           10              Commerce to a city council meeting?  This is


           11              important.  We are talking about the


           12              economy.  We are talking about people's


           13              livelihood in this city, and I'd like to


           14              know why our wage level is so low.  I would


           15              like to know why our unemployment level was


           16              so low mand I would like to know why KOZ's,


           17              KOEZ's is going to make Scranton a better


           18              place, and the person who has those answers


           19              is Austin Burke and the Chamber of Commerce,


           20              so I just -- I'm finding it hard to


           21              understand why we just can't -- all I'm


           22              asking you to do is extend an invitation.


           23              If he comes he comes, if he doesn't come he


           24              doesn't come, but that's all.  Give him the


           25              opportunity.  Maybe he would want to come






            1              here.  Maybe he is bashful and shy and he


            2              doesn't want to come unless he is invited,


            3              so that's all I'm asking for.


            4                      You know, these are serious


            5              questions, these are serious problems.  This


            6              whole country, you know the State of


            7              California, they are basically going to go


            8              bankrupt.  You know, people are going to


            9              lose their retirements.  General Motors,


           10              Chrysler, people are going to lose their


           11              retirements.  You know, that could come here


           12              just as easily.  The problem we have here is


           13              that the economy has been so bad for so long


           14              and wages have been so low for so long that


           15              there is not a lot of people who get


           16              retirements.  You know, the only people that


           17              get retirements out of here are government


           18              employees for the most part.  There are very


           19              people who work local jobs and local


           20              businesses get retirements out here and very


           21              few of them get benefits.  There is no


           22              benefit packages.


           23                      These are things that need to be


           24              looked into, and again, the person who needs


           25              to be answering these questions is Austin






            1              Burke, the president of the Chamber of


            2              Commerce and members of the Chamber of


            3              Commerce.  And again, that's all I'm asking


            4              for is, you know, let's -- you know, a


            5              little cooperation and KOZ's I hope we vote


            6              "no."  They are not going to help.  Thank


            7              you.


            8                      MR. STUCKER: Hi, Courtright.


            9                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Hi, Jim.


           10                      MR. STUCKER:  Right off where Sammy


           11              paints the statues and everything --


           12                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I can't hear you,


           13              Jim.


           14                      MR. STUCKER:  Where Sammy paints for


           15              people to buy by the University, the old


           16              University of Scranton.  You go up that


           17              alley, you go up that street and you turn


           18              through the alley.


           19                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Okay.


           20                      MR. STUCKER: There's a hole in the


           21              middle of the road, the middle is falling


           22              down and the girl told me about it.  She


           23              complained about it and she is supposed to


           24              call the city, I don't know what they are


           25              doing.  I don't if they ever came.  I want






            1              to know maybe we can get somebody up there


            2              to fix it and fix that drain and that whole


            3              road, it's all full of holes.  All back


            4              where Burt Sherman had the house.  Remember


            5              where Burt Sherman had the house on fire a


            6              long time ago?


            7                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Yes.


            8                      MR. STUCKER: Well, right there up


            9              that street.


           10                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Get the address for


           11              us, Jim, okay, so we can tell them where to


           12              go, all right?


           13                      MR. STUCKER:  Yeah, right up -- it's


           14              up --


           15                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I know you know, but


           16              we need to be able to tell the DPW where to


           17              go.  You got to give us an address, okay?


           18                      MR. STUCKER: And I heard somebody


           19              was telling -- there is a guy named


           20              Stocki Demolition, I just talked to one of


           21              his workers he told me to have it put on TV.


           22              He wants to see me on TV, Stocki Demolition


           23                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Well, he is seeing


           24              you right now, Jim.


           25                      MR. STUCKER:  I used to work for the






            1              guy, so -- yeah.  And I had the scooter I


            2              bought on Keyser Avenue.  I paid $299 cash.


            3              Took it back.  It's all -- the fiberglass is


            4              falling apart.  It's not worth it, so me and


            5              my buddy Pat took it back, so I'm back with


            6              my bike.


            7                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Keep the bike, Jim.


            8              Don't get another scooter.


            9                      MR. STUCKER: Yeah.  So I have been


           10              going a lot out.  Another thing too,


           11              Courtright, somebody just told me you are


           12              not going to be work with the tax.


           13                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I'm going to what?


           14                      MR. STUCKER:  You are not going to


           15              be with the taxes.


           16                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I'm not going to be


           17              with the taxes?


           18                      MR. STUCKER: Yeah.


           19                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Well, I hope I'm


           20              going to be.


           21                      MR. STUCKER: That's what one of the


           22              guys told me, the other guy.  Some guy told


           23              me who it was, I don't know who it was told


           24              me that you are not going to be for the


           25              taxes.






            1                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Well, I'm hoping,


            2              Jim, we will see, November.


            3                      MR. STUCKER: Yeah.  And I heard


            4              about you, Fanucci, you are upstairs and


            5              somebody downstairs told me you were


            6              upstairs.  The maid at the bar upstairs.


            7                      MS. FANUCCI: Upstairs where?


            8                      MR. STUCKER:  In a bar.


            9                      MR. COURTRIGHT: What you are doing


           10              in that bar?


           11                      MS. FANUCCI: What bar was that?


           12                      MS. STUCKER: She said on Thursday


           13              night.


           14                      MS. FANUCCI: On Thursday night I


           15              have my daughter.  What bar was it?  Did I


           16              have fun?


           17                      MR. STUCKER:  Somebody told you were


           18              upstairs, some girl told me.


           19                      MS. FANUCCI:  Oh, that was good.


           20              I'm sure I had a good time.


           21                      MR. STUCKER:  Yeah, I did, too.


           22              Yeah.  Oh, on Mulberry, Courtright, on


           23              Mulberry, right, you got three cars wrecked


           24              there.  Three cars, one was a blazar, one


           25              was a station wagon, one guy was from New






            1              York, he is not from here and they had a


            2              wreck there right on the bottom of Mulberry,


            3              right on the bottom of Mulberry.


            4                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Mulberry, got you.


            5                      MR. STUCKER:  We need some lines


            6              there.  We need lines there.  They are still


            7              running through the red light today.


            8                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I know, Jim.  We


            9              will see what we can get.


           10                      MR. STUCKER:  Up there by where I


           11              live at on Adams Avenue.


           12                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I know.


           13                      MR. STUCKER: Right, every time there


           14              is a red light they go through it.


           15                      MR. COURTRIGHT: You got the police


           16              department right in your building now, don't


           17              you?


           18                      MR. STUCKER: Well, it ain't the


           19              police, but the sheriffs.


           20                      MR. COURTRIGHT: But theres an office


           21              right in your building now; right?


           22                      MR. STUCKER: Yeah.


           23                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Yeah.  Ask Nelson.


           24              He is in there.  Right in your building they


           25              put a police department in.






            1                      MR. STUCKER:  I know.  We need


            2              somebody on Mulberry there real bad.  The


            3              lines are something.  We need lines there.


            4                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Mulberry.


            5                      MR. STUCKER: People can't get


            6              across.  All right?


            7                      MR. COURTRIGHT: All right, Jim.


            8              Thanks.


            9                      MS. GATELLI: Chrissy, you're in


           10              trouble.


           11                      MR. SLEDENZSKI: What did I do now,


           12              Jude?


           13                      MS. GATELLI:  You're in trouble,


           14              Chrissy.  Marachak called me.


           15                      MR. SLEDENZSKI: Uh-oh, for what now,


           16              Jude.


           17                      MS. GATELLI:  He saw you on TV with


           18              the West stuff on and he said bring all the


           19              stuff back.  He wants it all back.


           20                      MR. SLEDENZSKI:  He will get it


           21              back.  Billy, I want to say one thing to a


           22              guy from Old Forge because he wouldn't say


           23              on the air, do you mind it I say something


           24              on the air?  Do you mind, Bill?  Hey, Pat


           25              Stocki, hi, Buddy.  Take care.  Take care,






            1              Buddy.


            2                      MR. MCGOFF: Anyone else?  Thank you.


            3              Mrs. Evans?


            4                      MS. EVANS: Good evening.  I'm very


            5              glad to be back and I apologize for my


            6              absence last week for a physician's


            7              appointment out of town.


            8                      Recently, like many of you, I was


            9              interested to learn that Lackawanna College


           10              intends to renovate the former Genesis


           11              Wildlife Center in order to construct an


           12              environmental energy center and expand it's


           13              academic program at Nay Aug.  The


           14              1.3 million upgrade will be funded through


           15              our state taxes, private donations and


           16              college funds with no financial commitment


           17              from city government.  This appears to be a


           18              fortuitous arrangements for Lackawanna


           19              College and our beautiful park.


           20                      However, I am concerned by a


           21              generous and free 99-year lease to


           22              Lackawanna College while at the opposite end


           23              of the same park Scranton's children are


           24              charged to swim, ride a water slide and ride


           25              a Ferris wheel at prices their parents






            1              cannot afford each summer.


            2                      Therefore, I respectfully request


            3              that Lackawanna College would consider


            4              making an annual contribution in lieu of


            5              taxes to the city in recognition of the


            6              generous lease agreement provided by the


            7              City of Scranton.  Lackawanna County could


            8              then be used to subsidize the cost of Nay


            9              Aug swim complex and provide free swimming


           10              for all the children of Scranton each


           11              summer.  So, Kay, I would like a letter sent


           12              to Mr. Ray Angeli and the Board of


           13              Lackawanna College requesting a contribution


           14              in lieu of taxes as of I have just outlined.


           15                      Next, I wish to address the KOZ


           16              extensions that are facing city council.  I


           17              have reservations about granting these


           18              extensions.  Our existing local businesses


           19              have received no assistance from government


           20              outside of the select loans that are issued


           21              by OECD.  The pizza shops, diners, small


           22              clothing stores, car washes, laundromats and


           23              so many others must pay business taxes on


           24              their gross receipts and employees pay a


           25              3.4 percent wage tax regardless of their






            1              salaries as well as in many cases the LST of


            2              $52.  At the same time, unknown corporations


            3              demand tax free status with no guarantee of


            4              remaining in Scranton after their free ride


            5              runs out.  In fact, there is no way to


            6              prevent a tax paying business from moving to


            7              a KOZ and one Scranton business intends to


            8              do just that.


            9                      I'm also troubled by the fact that


           10              only business descriptions were provided to


           11              me.  I was asked and agreed to attend the


           12              meeting of Chamber of Commerce


           13              representatives and a few elected officials


           14              to discuss this project and learn names of


           15              the businesses who expressed interest in the


           16              Mount Pleasant Corporate Park and that was


           17              approximately two weeks ago.  Then I heard


           18              nothing further until I received a recent


           19              message offering a meeting last night


           20              providing less than 24 hours to speak to


           21              each of the perspective businesses.  It's


           22              not good business to approve agreements when


           23              complete information is not disclosed.


           24                      Furthermore, this legislation as


           25              opened the flood gates.  On tonight's






            1              agenda, there is yet another property


            2              seeking a KOZ and a third individual is


            3              currently asking for the same consideration.


            4              Several years ago together with my council


            5              colleagues, I approved a very few KOZ and


            6              KOEZ agreements in the downtown and I


            7              continue to await the long-term benefits.


            8              The matter of KOZ's was closed shortly


            9              thereafter until now when the governor


           10              decided to provide extensions as incentives


           11              to corporations.


           12                      I very much wish to see that


           13              particular prime city property developed,


           14              new family sustaining jobs created, and


           15              regular construction employment for our


           16              trade communities, but at the same time I


           17              want to know the names of the potential


           18              businesses to discuss a tax revenue future


           19              with each business, to learn their current


           20              tax status, to examine the number of job


           21              transfers versus job creations, and to have


           22              a guarantee that only union labor will be


           23              used for construction since the words


           24              "mainly union labor" as used by Austin Burke


           25              are unsatisfactory to me.  None of us are






            1              exempt from paying our taxes and we incur


            2              stiff penalties if we fail to do so.


            3                      It seems nearly immoral to provide


            4              KOZ's to wealthy corporations who remain


            5              unknown and whose descriptions consist of 15


            6              to 25 words because, as I mentioned earlier,


            7              complete information couldn't be obtained in


            8              less than 24 hours.


            9                      Now, Scranton is home to three


           10              hospitals and the Commonwealth Medical


           11              School.  Our location offers more to the


           12              several medical facilities looking at Mount


           13              Pleasant than does any competing surrounding


           14              community who offers a KOZ.  Is Scranton in


           15              such dire straights that we must give it KOZ


           16              status despite three hospitals and a medical


           17              school?  I think we can and should do


           18              better.  Unlike the Chamber of Commerce, I


           19              believe that Scranton has much to offer.  I


           20              don't wish Scranton's notoriety and


           21              reputation to be dependent mainly on KOZ and


           22              nonprofit give-aways.  Those who choose to


           23              come here and pay into the community just as


           24              does each and every taxpayer, are those we


           25              can most likely expect to stay.






            1                      In addition, if KOZ's, well, I


            2              should say those extensions are granted by a


            3              majority of city council tonight, I would


            4              like to have Attorney Minora research the


            5              imposition of an impact fee for all new


            6              development in Scranton, particularly, those


            7              receiving KOZ extensions, and I would ask


            8              that Attorney Minora would have that


            9              information for council by June 23.


           10                      Next, the Northeastern Pennsylvania


           11              Alliance or NEPA which provides direct


           12              services and programs to municipalities in


           13              seven counties through Northeastern PA, is


           14              asking for our assistance in an effort to


           15              restore their funding in the 2009-10 state


           16              budget.  NEPA's services often enable a city


           17              to avoid the high cost of consultants.


           18              Therefore, I move to send a letter to


           19              Governor Rendell, Senator Mellow and


           20              Representative Smith and Murphy to request


           21              the restoration of funding for NEPA in the


           22              2009-2010 Commonwealth of Pennsylvania


           23              budget.


           24                      MS. GATELLI: I'll second that.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?  All in






            1              favor signify by saying aye.


            2                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


            3                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


            4                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


            5                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


            6                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


            7              ayes have it and so moved.


            8                      MS. EVANS:  Thank you.  Also, I had


            9              requested from Mr. Stu Renda a complete list


           10              of salaries, longevity, overtime and health


           11              care contributions, etcetera, for the DPW


           12              and all management employees of the City of


           13              Scranton.  To date, I received only a


           14              listing of 2008 salaries for the DPW, which


           15              also includes pages of what appears to be


           16              part-time high school and college age


           17              employees.  That really wasn't what I was


           18              looking for, but now I would like to know


           19              what positions in the DPW these school-aged


           20              employees held in 2008.  I also await the


           21              health care contributions for DPW employees


           22              and the salaries, health care contributions


           23              and other financial provisions such as cell


           24              phones and vehicles provided by the City of


           25              Scranton to management.






            1                      In addition, I hope that Mr. Renda


            2              is keeping pace with the information


            3              requested by Rossi & Sons auditors in order


            4              that the 2008 audit can be finalized prior


            5              to council's September return to scheduled


            6              meetings.  We received another update today


            7              from the auditor, and again, there are


            8              numerous items that remain and must be


            9              answered by OECD and the business


           10              administrator.  Despite Mr. Renda's


           11              statements, I believe the audit is useful


           12              for budget development, borrowing and


           13              Recovery Plan revisions.  I also hope


           14              Mr. Renda would prevent any further late


           15              submissions of financial audits and


           16              information to the state as has occurred in


           17              the past.


           18                      Next, I received a wonderful letter


           19              from residents of Park Gardens and I want to


           20              thank you for your good wishes and I will


           21              take your advice and your cautions to heart.


           22                      Finally, I have some citzens'


           23              requests.  First, please provide PEL meeting


           24              summaries to council for April, May and June


           25              2009.






            1                      Next, in response to the


            2              correspondence from the Hill Neighborhood


            3              Association, I can report that the house at


            4              1030 Bunker Hill Street should be demolished


            5              this year according to Mr. Tom Oleski.  It


            6              remains private property since the city has


            7              not been successful in locating it's owner.


            8              Mr. Oleski further stated that several


            9              procedures must be followed prior to


           10              demolition and removal of garbage on the


           11              property in order to guard against lawsuits


           12              also has to follow procedures.


           13                      In addition, Mr. Oleski states that


           14              since there is no housing inspector


           15              designated to the Hill Section, any other


           16              inspector who is free to go there can be


           17              contacted by radio when a complaint arises.


           18                      Next, forward a citizen's request


           19              regarding traffic signs on South Washington


           20              Avenue to Mr. Brazil requesting and response


           21              to city council and the mayor on or before


           22              June 29 and attach the request to the


           23              letter, please.


           24                      Next, a letter to the city engineer:


           25              Please inspect the area of the North






            1              Washington Avenue, Fisk Street at University


            2              Drive.  During heavy rainfalls water


            3              collects on University Drive and also gushes


            4              down North Washington Avenue and Fisk Street


            5              carrying stones, mulch, and debris onto


            6              residential properties and garages as well


            7              as the street.  The water pressure is so


            8              forceful that it has broken a basement


            9              window in a Fisk Street home.  And, Kay, I'm


           10              going to ask you to attach the copy of the


           11              resident's letter and photos that were


           12              e-mailed to Mr. Brazil to the letter from


           13              council, and I would ask that the city


           14              engineer provide a written report to council


           15              on or before July 3, 2009.


           16                      There stands an abandoned house at


           17              the corner of Pine Street and Wheeler


           18              Avenue, in which there was a fire well over


           19              a year ago.  Neighbors have heard people in


           20              the house and report that it is a dangerous


           21              eyesore and on June 5, last Friday, two


           22              police cars reported to the house and on


           23              June 6 neighbors observed that the front


           24              door was wide open and the front porch


           25              contained numerous holes.  This information






            1              was reported to Mr. Oleski who stated that


            2              this house should be demolished within four


            3              weeks or so.


            4                      Also, a letter to Mr. Seitzinger and


            5              Chief Elliott, and this is a second request,


            6              about monitoring truck traffic on Race


            7              Street at Heavy Duty Truck Parts, and I have


            8              some photos and information that had been


            9              forwarded to me by the resident that I would


           10              like copy and attached to that letter.


           11                      Also, 3009--3011 Cedar Avenue there


           12              is an abandoned house where the lot is


           13              overgrown.  If that can please be taken care


           14              of.


           15                      And finally, following two requests:


           16              Mayor failed to respond to questions


           17              regarding the location and funding of


           18              student housing for the Commonwealth Medical


           19              School.  These questions were posed by city


           20              residents who seek information about their


           21              city.  I have sometimes found that if the


           22              newspaper asks the questions that I already


           23              ask the mayor responds, so perhaps the


           24              reporter could obtain this information for


           25              Scrantonians to read in the newspaper, and






            1              that's it.


            2                      MR. MCGOFF: Mrs. Gatelli.


            3                      MS. GATELLI: I would just ask Kay if


            4              she would find out for me, we met quite


            5              sometime ago on Cherry Street about the


            6              railroad cars.  The man from the Federal


            7              Railway Administration was there,


            8              Mr. Septra, and he said he was going to be


            9              making some recommendations and so far I


           10              haven't seen any of them, so I'd like to


           11              send a letter to Congressman Kanjorski if he


           12              has gotten an answer from Mr. Septra so that


           13              we can tell the local Delaware Railroad on


           14              Cliff Street that the property needs some


           15              attention, so if you could just do that for


           16              me, Mrs. Garvey, I would appreciate that.


           17                      Also, I just have two questions, 631


           18              Gibbons Street and 521 Maple Street are two


           19              properties that are in deplorable condition.


           20              They were supposed to be demolished sometime


           21              this year and I would just ask if you could


           22              send a letter so I can get an update on that


           23              property.


           24                      I know that quite sometime ago I had


           25              a meeting with the school district and the






            1              county concerning the Single Tax Office.  I


            2              brought the idea that we have here about the


            3              declaratory judgment to that meeting,


            4              everyone at the meeting was very responsive


            5              and said that they would tell their


            6              attorneys and they would all work together


            7              to file the declaratory judgment.


            8                      As of today, I have not seen any


            9              action on that and I'm very concerned


           10              because part our city budget was focused on


           11              some of that money in terms of the city, so


           12              I would ask Attorney Minora when he comes


           13              back if he could contact the attorneys from


           14              the county and the school district and see


           15              exactly what the status of that declaratory


           16              judgment is and Mary Theresa Patterson,


           17              also.


           18                      I think it's imperative that we get


           19              that money.  I am very, very concerned about


           20              getting the money by December and I think


           21              that the action at the tax office is very


           22              slow to say the least.  I haven't seen any


           23              activity up there whatsoever and I'm quite


           24              disappointed in the way that they are


           25              operating, so I'm going to ask Attorney






            1              Minora to please do that for us.  It's


            2              imperative that we get that money.


            3                      The KOZ's, I'm not going to be


            4              voting for extending of the KOZ's.  I never


            5              voted for the KOZ's because I wasn't here at


            6              the time when they were approved.  I think


            7              that they give too much of a tax break.


            8              It's not just property tax, it's the whole


            9              ball of whacks, mercantile, earned income,


           10              and it's for every employee that works in


           11              these facilities, they don't pay the taxes


           12              either and I really would -- I wasn't here


           13              the night when they met with Austin Burke, I


           14              think that was the night I took Joe to New


           15              York for his knees, so I didn't hear what he


           16              had to say concerning the KOZ's, I only see


           17              what I get in a letter from him which


           18              doesn't really guarantee anybody coming


           19              here.  They are always called perspective


           20              businesses.


           21                      I'm disappointed in the school


           22              district that they have not answered


           23              Mr. McGoff for several weeks in a row.  I


           24              think that it's incumbent that we all meet


           25              together.  These are things that affect all






            1              of us and I think the taxing bodies have an


            2              obligation to meet together and discuss


            3              these matters.  I think if someone had


            4              something else or a different point of view


            5              and they were willing to forego their taxes


            6              which are considerably more than what the


            7              city gets, you know, maybe I could be


            8              convinced that, you know, this would be the


            9              way to go or maybe some of these particular


           10              projects are better than others.  They all


           11              have merit.  I don't want to lose the jobs.


           12              That's the only part that bothers me is that


           13              we are going to be losing jobs, potential


           14              jobs and I worked in economic development


           15              for many years and I did talk to Mr. Washo.


           16              He said, Judy, I have to vote for this


           17              because this is what you should do.  This is


           18              how we are going to bring jobs to Scranton,


           19              but inside I'm not just not comfortable with


           20              it and I think if they we did have meetings


           21              with the other taxing bodies and we could


           22              hear their point of view that maybe some of


           23              us would gain some knowledge and have more


           24              foresight as to why we should do a certain


           25              thing or maybe, as one of the speakers said,






            1              we could make an agreement that some of


            2              these things we could accept and some we


            3              can't and modify the KOZ.


            4                      So, I mean, I don't know what


            5              anybody else wants to do.  I would be


            6              willing to table them if we could try one


            7              more time to get people to come here to get


            8              Austin Burke to sit in that seat and to tell


            9              us why he needs to this for Mount Pleasant,


           10              exactly who is coming, you know, and get


           11              some commitments and see if they can't pay


           12              something in lieu of taxes.  I would be


           13              willing to do that, but if they come to vote


           14              tonight I will be voting "no."  And I'm very


           15              ambivalent about that, I have mixed feelings


           16              on that issue and, you know, that's all I


           17              have to say.


           18                      MS. EVANS: Mrs. Gatelli, did you


           19              note that the school board did not make any


           20              decision at their meeting last night?


           21                      MS. GATELLI: Yeah, they didn't even


           22              entertain it.


           23                      MS. EVANS: And they will not meet


           24              again until July which passes the deadline.


           25                      MS. FANUCCI: I was told they were






            1              having a special meeting to consider this,


            2              but I'm not sure if that has been, you know,


            3              just rumor or --


            4                      MS. GATELLI: Well, why -- I don't


            5              understand.  Why can't they just tell us we


            6              are not interested in this, you know, or


            7              vote.  Why don't they vote?  They were


            8              elected to vote like we were.


            9                      MS. EVANS: Yes, I agree.


           10                      MS. GATELLI: You know, I mean, I


           11              don't want to talk about them, they are my


           12              bosses and your bosses, too, but, you know,


           13              they have an obligation to the taxpayers the


           14              same way we do and, you know, to just not


           15              bring up the issue isn't right.  They need


           16              to bring up the issue and vote on it.


           17                      MS. EVANS: They may be at this point


           18              in time hardpressed to do so since


           19              apparently last evening their legislation


           20              was concerning a 6 percent tax increase and


           21              very likely it would be difficult to look at


           22              the public and say, "We see a tax increase


           23              at unavoidable at this juncture, but at the


           24              same time we can provide tax free status to


           25              businesses."






            1                      MS. GATELLI: Yeah, I mean in the


            2              long-term the idea is to create the jobs and


            3              that they would stay here, you know, and


            4              then it will go into your community.  I


            5              mean, I understand all of that having worked


            6              there, like I said, for so many years, but


            7              just in my heart I just don't think it's


            8              right.


            9                      MS. EVANS: And I don't know


           10              seriously though if legally you can attach


           11              any caveats to a KOZ extension because that


           12              was granted by the Commonwealth of


           13              Pennsylvania and I think our job is either


           14              to agree or disagree.


           15                      MS. FANUCCI: Right.


           16                      MS. EVANS: But I don't believe that


           17              we can place any type of conditions on them.


           18                      MS. FANUCCI: It's really the same as


           19              the nonprofits.  I mean, really, you know,


           20              hoping that they give you something, but


           21              can't make them do anything.


           22                      MS. GATELLI:  And, you know, I just


           23              got the one tonight, I talked to Mr. Kelly


           24              today as a matter of fact.  Unlike you, I


           25              wasn't called at all to attend any meetings.






            1              I guess because I'm a loser.  That's what I


            2              get at the little league field to make them


            3              laugh.  But, you know, I guess they don't


            4              need me so nobody called me to come to a


            5              meeting about the KOZ's.  You know, maybe if


            6              they called and met with us I would have a


            7              different feeling about it.


            8                      This gentleman did call me today, I


            9              had no idea that it was on the agenda


           10              because I can't open my link on my computer.


           11              I can never open it, I don't know why.  I


           12              can get an e-mail, but I can't open the


           13              attachment for the agenda, so I didn't even


           14              know that this was on the agenda tonight and


           15              he called me today and I tried to peruse


           16              this as the meeting was going on.  You know,


           17              this looks like something that I might


           18              really be interested in because it has to do


           19              with nursing and medical care and the


           20              elderly, so I would like some more time to


           21              look at this particular one, also.  It only


           22              is three acres of land, it's a brownfield


           23              area where nothing else is probably going to


           24              happen.  It's a $5 million project.  There


           25              is going to be 27 full-time employees and 14






            1              part-time.  This I know will stay because


            2              it's a nursing home, it's assisted living,


            3              we are an elderly community, I'm not worried


            4              about this one surviving because I think we


            5              do need this in Scranton.  We do need some


            6              more care for the elderly, so I think all


            7              just go and make a motion later that we


            8              table them.  This one definitely because I


            9              would like to a more closer look at it.


           10                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Just move it


           11              forward, Mr. McGoff, to the next meeting and


           12              vote next week.


           13                      MS. GATELLI:  Can we do it right now


           14              or do we have to wait?


           15                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Move forward with


           16              this next week.  Do you have a motion?


           17                      MS. GATELLI:  No, I will when it


           18              comes up.  Oh, I will be bringing up --


           19              well, I'll do that in motions, too.  That's


           20              all I have.


           21                      MR. MCGOFF: Mrs. Fanucci.


           22                      MS. FANUCCI: I could answer some of


           23              questions though that were posed tonight.


           24              The relocation for KOZ, Janet you had asked,


           25              if a business does relocate within the same






            1              county they have to increase the business by


            2              20 percent, so it's not that they just bring


            3              jobs so that was something that you had


            4              asked.  I know you have been out and I'm


            5              sure that's been hard to keep up, but that


            6              is definitely something that I had found


            7              out.


            8                      I wanted to talk about this loan


            9              that we talked about last week on the 1


           10              percent, and the reason that one person had


           11              to pay only 1 percent for the loan, why we


           12              had everyone else at 5, had brought up a lot


           13              of red flags for us, so I made some phone


           14              calls and got some information, the reason


           15              that this loan was available, this program


           16              actually was available to this company is


           17              because they are a technical company.  They


           18              are working with software, something that


           19              the state is trying to encourage.  The jobs


           20              are definitely higher end jobs.  They are


           21              required not only to work within Scranton,


           22              but they must to meet the criteria they have


           23              to distribute all over Pennsylvania and also


           24              to other states, so the reason that this 1


           25              percent has not been available to most of






            1              the loan applicants we have had is because


            2              they couldn't qualify for it.  They


            3              certainly couldn't meet the criteria, so it


            4              wasn't that we just offered somebody else a


            5              nice 1 percent, it was that they had to


            6              actually meet the criteria and they have.


            7                      These jobs are significant jobs


            8              actually creating way more than they should


            9              and that they have to.  I know that we had


           10              talked about the fact that they are in a KOZ


           11              zone being in the incubator building, but


           12              the reason is simple, when you are starting


           13              out any business, no different than when you


           14              are getting your home loan, you want to put


           15              more into the job and the business itself


           16              than you do want to pay out of your pocket.


           17                      I heard tonight people coming up and


           18              saying, "If you are a business you certainly


           19              should be able, if you are spending


           20              $20 million on a business you certainly


           21              shouldn't have to need money."


           22                      Well, that is the most ridiculous


           23              argument.  If you sit down with any of these


           24              businesses you realize that they are not any


           25              different than you are at home doing a small






            1              project.  You have to go to the bank, you


            2              have to look for your best options, that's


            3              what it's about.  To say, well, okay, well


            4              then I guess I shouldn't own a home or you


            5              shouldn't own a home because you had to go


            6              to the bank and have them finance the home


            7              is an absurd statement.


            8                      Job creation is sorely needed all


            9              over this whole country.  Unfortunately, the


           10              people who are creating the jobs and the


           11              businessmen and the developers also need the


           12              help.  To simply say if we build Mount


           13              Pleasant they will come regardless of the


           14              KOZ is a wishful thinking process.  I know


           15              myself, maybe it's just because of the job I


           16              have during the day and see these


           17              negotiations taking place, it is not like


           18              that.  You need to sell yourself.  Business


           19              people come and say, what are you going to


           20              do for me, so I know in this forum we never


           21              want to give anything to anyone except for


           22              it seems to be contractwise we want to give


           23              everything away, but when it comes to people


           24              who are putting millions and millions of


           25              dollars into our city and creating jobs that






            1              I can't just turn that away.


            2                      I would love to say we don't need


            3              them, but these jobs are significant.  We


            4              come here every week saying we want more


            5              than minimum wage jobs.  Well, here is a way


            6              we are bringing them, but it's still not


            7              good enough, so it is a terrible battle.  I


            8              mean, they can go to Tennessee, but you know


            9              what, they are KOZ.  They can go to


           10              Arkansas, you know why?  They have KOZ.  So


           11              you want to bring business in from outside


           12              of our area and we are not competitive it is


           13              certainly not going to happen.


           14                      I know that we want to wishful think


           15              because now we have a medical school.  Well,


           16              you know what, I'm sorry, but I would take


           17              every college, every medical school,


           18              anything we could have in our area because,


           19              you know, some people are still doing okay


           20              because of it.  We are still doing well in


           21              our city.  Does that mean that we can just


           22              shuffle this down and say, okay, we are not


           23              giving any loans out, KOZ's, forget it, go


           24              to Jessup and have a great time or take your


           25              business elsewhere, we don't want you here.






            1              We don't want your lousy thousand jobs.


            2              That's ridiculous.  We don't need you and we


            3              are not going to do anything to help you


            4              out.  You know why?  Because we don't need


            5              to.


            6                      So when are you a driving up the


            7              Casey highway waiving to us on the way by,


            8              you know, saying thanks for coming, we are


            9              going to be thrilled to death because we


           10              didn't want to give you anything, although,


           11              you are paying for it anyway.  Every person


           12              in Pennsylvania you are paying for it


           13              anyway.  It's coming out of your pockets.


           14              It's the state deal they are looking for.


           15              It's the state taxes, so every time you pay


           16              your tax state you are paying for some KOZ


           17              somewhere, but pay for it somewhere else


           18              because you don't want it in your backyard.


           19                      I agree that it's not an easy pill


           20              to swallow.  I agree that we do have to give


           21              a lot.  We do.  It's ten years of our life


           22              and as one speaker said tonight, ten years


           23              is a blink of an eye.  Twelve years is a


           24              blink of an eye.  Yeah, it is not right that


           25              we have to pay for all of those homes over






            1              there with KOZ status but guess what,


            2              there wouldn't have been any and in two more


            3              years you are going to get their taxes from


            4              a place that was nothing.  Nothing but a


            5              terrible thing to look at.


            6                      So, yeah, this is not an easy thing.


            7              Do I think that I should wait for the school


            8              board?  Quite frankly, no.  The fact that


            9              they are sitting and waiting for us shows


           10              what they are made out of it.  Shows they


           11              can't come to the table with what they need


           12              to come to and that is in itself a disgrace.


           13              I feel that it is a very easy way out of a


           14              tough situation one that I don't think that


           15              should be and I don't think as an elected


           16              official is responsible under any


           17              circumstances.  They are making the most


           18              money out of your tax dollars and yet they


           19              couldn't stand up and find a way to do or


           20              say what was right.


           21                      I will stick with what I will say.


           22              I will work for job creation and will do


           23              anything I can to make sure that there are


           24              more jobs available to the people who live


           25              here and higher end jobs I can't see turning






            1              away under any circumstances.  The reason we


            2              haven't seen the contracts for Mount


            3              Pleasant is because there aren't any


            4              contracts more Mount Pleasant.  Why?


            5              Because why would you sign a contract until


            6              you know if you are getting the KOZ?  Any


            7              business person, any common sense person can


            8              tell you that.  Why would you do it?  I


            9              certainly wouldn't do it.  It's like saying


           10              to you, you know, come to my bank for a


           11              loan, maybe if you sign I'm going give you a


           12              10 percent off, but you are not going to


           13              know until after so sign here.  Oh, no.  Oh,


           14              okay.  Great, I'm going for it.  No.


           15              Potential means negotiations and trying to


           16              barter for the best deal.  That's what


           17              happens and that's going to continue to


           18              happen.  So, no, to sit down and try to put


           19              sanctions on someone that we feel that we


           20              shouldn't give them the opportunity is


           21              another absurd, absurd notion.


           22                      I don't like the fact that we have


           23              to do this or even consider this, but it is


           24              something that we have to consider and I


           25              certainly will always go for jobs.






            1                      And I also want to say that last


            2              week we had talked about this 1 percent and


            3              I felt bad because what we did was we


            4              actually put something out there that was


            5              not accurate.  We made it look like -- well,


            6              speakers made it look like this person


            7              actually had an in and was getting a deal


            8              because of who they were and the business


            9              that they were creating, and again, wrong


           10              and very sad to do from this forum.  Here is


           11              someone who is putting their life and their


           12              livelihood into our city and again we are


           13              treating them like they are the enemy.


           14                      We do that so well in Scranton, so I


           15              will be voting "yes" for KOZ, I do think


           16              it's a good idea if we table this because it


           17              seems that information is not out there


           18              enough.  I do believe that we need to have


           19              as much information on this as possible,


           20              whatever they provide to us.  I also know


           21              that when I leave here I will not let my


           22              legacy be the fact that I turned down 1,000


           23              jobs in the City of Scranton, so be known


           24              that I will do everything I can to at least


           25              help that part out.






            1                      I also wanted to say that the middle


            2              class, this was a comment that was made


            3              tonight, I actually have two things, SLIPCO,


            4              Andy had gotten up, SLIPCO has been paying


            5              their taxes so that information was


            6              incorrect, also.  They have been paying


            7              taxes on the KOZ land, so another bit of


            8              information that was not correct.  The


            9              middle class, this was the best thing, the


           10              middle class are paying and they are getting


           11              the raw end of the deal.  They have been


           12              since as long as I have been middle class,


           13              let's put it that way, I don't if it was as


           14              long as anyone else has, but to me this is


           15              the way that we at least can reap something


           16              out of it.  They may be able to get a job


           17              that maybe will bring them into a different


           18              area and help bump them from middle class


           19              and the potential is there and I'm certainly


           20              not going to take away anybody's potential


           21              or jobs and that is all I have.  Thank you.


           22                      MR. COURTRIGHT: From what I am being


           23              told was in the paper today -- I'm going


           24              stay on the KOZ's for a little bit, is the


           25              school board president stated that, and






            1              correct me if I'm wrong, that no member had


            2              asked him to place anything on the agenda,


            3              so my assumption and I know what we say


            4              about assuming, my assumption is that there


            5              is not a school board member that's for the


            6              KOZ or one of them would have brought it to


            7              his attention or he himself would have asked


            8              for it to be on the agenda so that's the


            9              assumption I have for that.


           10                      As far as the -- I agree with Mrs.


           11              Gatelli as far as the nursing home.  I would


           12              consider that.  I would say I would vote for


           13              it and I could consider it and I would just


           14              suggest rather than table it if we want it


           15              move it into final passage next week we


           16              should be able to get that information this


           17              week and either vote or don't vote next week


           18              for it, but I agree.  That's going to be


           19              something that's going to stay here.  They


           20              are probably not going anywhere, and that's


           21              all I'll say about the KOZ.  I will say when


           22              I vote later on.


           23                      I was talking to Mr. McGoff when I


           24              think Mrs. Gatelli or Mrs. Evans was


           25              speaking, and we weren't doing that to be






            1              disrespectful, she was talking about


            2              something about weedwhacking or something, I


            3              don't know, and Mr. McGoff and I were


            4              talking about a project that --


            5                      MR. MCGOFF: She brought up summer


            6              help.


            7                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Summer help and he


            8              was talking summer help --


            9                      MR. MCGOFF: And I said weedwhackers.


           10                      MS. FANUCCI: You lost me on that


           11              one.


           12                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  There was a project


           13              that I think he and I kind of agreed on last


           14              year that didn't happen and we were talking


           15              about seeing if we can't make that happen


           16              this year, so we weren't talking to be


           17              disrespectful, we were trying to help out


           18              some part of the city, so we apologize for


           19              talking.  I know I was walking out the door


           20              from using the men's room and Mrs. Evans


           21              brought up about Pinebrook so I'm not quite


           22              sure what happened there.  I didn't know


           23              anything about until today.  I had a woman


           24              stopped to see -- I forget how old she said


           25              she was, but it was over 60, and she said






            1              she has lived here whole life and she is


            2              rather upset that the field is going to be


            3              turned over to the college.  That's about


            4              all I know of it.  So, Kay, whatever


            5              information we can get I would appreciate


            6              it, and that's the first I heard about it


            7              was today.


            8                      And not that we didn't give you


            9              enough to do, Kay, but I'm going to ask you


           10              to do another thing, the mysterious UDAG


           11              money, I asked for it many times, you know,


           12              a copy of it, so I want to ask for it again.


           13              I stay at the Keyser Valley poll all


           14              election day and it's the same thing every


           15              election day either, it's a dust bowl and


           16              you literally when you go home you have all


           17              dirt in your ears, in your hair and


           18              everything or this time it was loaded with


           19              water in the one portion of the parking lot.


           20              Now, I do not believe that area qualifies


           21              for CDBG money, but I do believe that we


           22              would be able to use UDAG money to pay for


           23              that just that one portion of the lot, so


           24              could you ask -- or I don't know if it's


           25              Lori Reed would be appropriate person or






            1              whoever we need to talk to, Leo or someone,


            2              if we could muster up some of that UDAG


            3              money and see if we can't do something with


            4              that parking lot over there?  I mean, I


            5              would certainly appreciate it.  I think


            6              everybody would, but I certainly would.


            7                      And KOZ, there was a gentleman, I


            8              believe we voted on the KOZ maybe, Mrs.


            9              Evans, didn't we vote for Leonards?  Were


           10              you on that?


           11                      MS. EVANS: Yes.


           12                      MR. COURTRIGHT: This guy was so bet


           13              on getting KOZ and was so enthusiastic he


           14              was calling me at night from New York City,


           15              10:00 at night on more than one occasion,


           16              and I voted for it because he was -- I


           17              thought he was doing to a bang up job over


           18              there and the place has been vacant --


           19                      MS. EVANS: Yeah.


           20                      MR. COURTRIGHT: -- forever.  Could


           21              we find out what the status is over there on


           22              that building?  I mean, I thought this guy


           23              here he had me fooled.  I thought it was


           24              going to be, you know, quite the place and


           25              they held one concert there, I think it was






            1              Wishbone Ash, and I'm telling my age knowing


            2              Wishbone Ash, and that was it.  I never saw


            3              anything after that and the place just sits


            4              there, and if we could just get an idea of


            5              what's going on there.


            6                      And, lastly, I brought up a couple


            7              of times about the Trinity Church and I


            8              forgot to bring the letter with me, but


            9              Mr. Brazil said they will not put crosswalks


           10              there.  He said, and I thought, you know, he


           11              said it's not an intersection, but I thought


           12              it was similar.  The reason I asked, I


           13              thought it was similar to St. Joe's on Davis


           14              Street, that's not an intersection either.


           15                      MS. GATELLI:  Yes, it is.


           16                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Where is the


           17              intersection?


           18                      MS. GATELLI: Sure.  It even goes


           19              right direct across Davis.


           20                      MR. COURTRIGHT: And so Division


           21              Street goes right up to there.


           22                      MS. GATELLI:  It's a "T".  The


           23              church is a "T", Trinity.


           24                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Right.


           25                      MS. GATELLI:  It doesn't go through






            1              on the other side so it's not a four-way


            2              intersection.


            3                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  And the crossway


            4              walk is right at the four-way on Davis


            5              Street?


            6                      MS. GATELLI: Yeah, it is.


            7                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  All right.  I'm


            8              going to ask PennDOT for those of you that


            9              are interested in Trinity if there is maybe


           10              an exception to the rule because it really


           11              looks stupid.  You got these things are


           12              telling us to cross, but where?  The gap is


           13              so big, it's half a block long where they


           14              have one side and another cross here.  Well,


           15              I think it might be causing more confusion


           16              than help if we don't have somewhere where


           17              they can cross, so I would contact PennDOT


           18              and see if they can't make an exception for


           19              us.  And that's all I have.  Thank you.


           20                      MR. MCGOFF:  First, I forgot at the


           21              beginning to make the announcement, I would


           22              like to make it again, about the Prostate


           23              Cancer Awareness Alliance having a Father's


           24              Day five-mile run.  We are looking for


           25              people to participate as runners, also as






            1              volunteers.  It is to benefit prostate


            2              cancer awareness.  If I would like


            3              information about the race you can go to


            4              NEPArunners.com and there is a link also on


            5              there.  There has information about the race


            6              and there is also a link to Active.com where


            7              you can register on-line.  We would like to


            8              -- we are hopefully looking at getting a


            9              number of -- a hundred to 200 runners to


           10              participate.  There are metals being given


           11              to all finishers, shirts to all registrants,


           12              so it's hopefully a great event and we can


           13              raise some money for the PCAA.


           14                      Rather than see -- as I said last


           15              week, I'm in favor of the extension of the


           16              KOZ extension of Mount Pleasant, but rather


           17              than see it defeated this evening because of


           18              lack of information, I have been asked and I


           19              was going to suggest I will make one last


           20              attempt to organize a meeting with


           21              representatives from the school board and


           22              from the commissioner's office along with


           23              members of the council and anyone else from


           24              the city administration to discuss the KOZ


           25              extensions, not only the Mount Pleasant but






            1              also the others that will involved and I


            2              will attempt to do that.  Obviously, I need


            3              to do that before our next meeting.  With


            4              that in mind, I would at this point in time


            5              like to make a motion to table 5-F and 7-F


            6              on tonight's agenda.


            7                      MS. GATELLI: I'll second that.


            8                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?


            9                      MS. GATELLI:  The only thing about


           10              the meeting, I would like Austin to be here


           11              and that Mr. Kelly, and we heard Mr. Rinaldi


           12              tonight, but I didn't hear the other two.


           13                      MS. FANUCCI: Mrs. Evans didn't


           14              though.  Mrs. Evans wasn't in caucus, so


           15              maybe --


           16                      MS. GATELLI:  All right.  Then we


           17              we'll have Mr. Rinaldi, too.  He can explain


           18              his in front of all of us.


           19                      MS. EVANS: Could we change that and


           20              separate the motions, you know, one motion


           21              for 7-F and one motion for what is it 5-F


           22              because I would be interested in tabling


           23              one, but I'm not interested in tabling the


           24              other?


           25                      MS. GATELLI:  Okay.  We'll do it






            1              when they come up.


            2                      MR. MCGOFF: Well, I'd rather get it


            3              out of the way.


            4                      MS. GATELLI:  I think you have to


            5              withdraw that motion.


            6                      MR. MCGOFF: I'll withdraw the motion


            7              to table both and I will make a motion to


            8              table Agenda Item 5-F.


            9                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.


           10                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?


           11                      MS. GATELLI:  Is that the first one,


           12              Mt. Pleasant?


           13                      MR. MCGOFF: No, that's the


           14              Greenridge Nursing Home.  All those in favor


           15              signify by saying aye.


           16                      MS. EVANS: Aye.


           17                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           18                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           19                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           20                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           21              ayes have it and so moved.  I'd also like to


           22              make a motion to table Item 7-F.


           23                      MS. GATELLI:  I'll second that one,


           24              too, because I didn't hear Austin Burke when


           25              he came here so I will.






            1                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?


            2                      MS. GATELLI: I would just like to


            3              give him the courtesy of hearing him out.


            4                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


            5              those in favor signify by saying aye.


            6                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


            7                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


            8                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?


            9                      MR. COURTRIGHT: No.


           10                      MS. EVANS: No.


           11                      MR. MCGOFF: Did you vote "yes"?


           12                      MS. GATELLI: I vote "yes" to table


           13              it.


           14                      MR. MCGOFF: I'm sorry, I didn't hear


           15              you then.


           16                      MS. GATELLI:  Provided that Austin


           17              comes here.  I'm sorry, he will have to come


           18              again but I wasn't here when he came.


           19                      MR. MCGOFF: Motion is approved.


           20                      MS. GATELLI:  And then I would ask


           21              also if you could have Mr. Rinaldi come so


           22              that we could all hear what he is interested


           23              in because -- and if there is anybody else


           24              that's going to come here before June 30.


           25                      MS. FANUCCI: Let's get it done.






            1                      MS. GATELLI: You need to come here


            2              pretty quick and having the other taxing


            3              bodies invited in writing, then if they


            4              don't come that -- then it's irrelevant what


            5              we do.


            6                      MR. MCGOFF: Also, by agreement of


            7              the council, summer hours -- or the


            8              meetings, summer meetings from June 23 to


            9              July 28 will be held at 10 a.m., and that


           10              will be at some point in time announced in


           11              the paper as well.  Mrs. Garvey will place


           12              it in the newspaper, but that's from June 23


           13              to July 28 meetings will be at 10 a.m., and


           14              that's all.  Mrs. Garvey?


           15                      MS. GARVEY: FIFTH ORDER.  5-B. FOR




           17              AN ORDINANCE PROHIBITING THE USE OF


           18              COMMERCIAL VEHICLE BRAKE RETARDERS (I.E.




           20              WITHIN THE CITY OF SCRANTON.


           21                      MR. MCGOFF:  At this time I'll


           22              entertain a motion that Item 5-B be


           23              introduced into it's proper committee.


           24                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.


           25                      MS. FANUCCI:  Second.






            1                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


            2              in favor signify by saying aye.


            3                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


            4                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


            5                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


            6                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


            7                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


            8              ayes have it and so moved.


            9                      MS. GARVEY: 5-C. FOR INTRODUCTION -


           10              AN ORDINANCE - AMENDING FILE OF COUNCIL NO.


           11              49, 2008, AN ORDINANCE ENTITLED "GENERAL


           12              CITY OPERATING BUDGET 2009" BY TRANSFERRING


           13              $50,000.00 FROM ACCOUNT NO.


           14              01.401.10070.4299 (GENESIS WILDLIFE REFUGE)


           15              TO ACCOUNT NO. 01.100.00000.4550 (DEPARTMENT


           16              OF PARKS AND RECREATION-CAPITAL


           17              EXPENDITURES) TO SUBSIDIZE THE




           19              PARK.


           20                      MR. MCGOFF:  At this time I'll


           21              entertain a motion that Item 5-C be


           22              introduced into it's proper committee.


           23                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.


           24                      MS. FANUCCI:  Second.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?






            1                      MS. EVANS: Yes.  I do recall


            2              recently that the mayor stated the city


            3              couldn't afford to provide a $50,000


            4              donation to Genesis Wildlife Center.  When


            5              that statement was made I believed it was


            6              because the money was needed within the


            7              operating budget for another very important


            8              issue because that particular account is


            9              within the operating budget and now I'm


           10              seeing that they would like to remove it


           11              from the operating budget and transfer it to


           12              into capital expenditures for parks and rec


           13              and it just doesn't seem to make sense.  I


           14              think the money can be better used within


           15              the operating budget, but in addition to


           16              that, I was also aware that the current


           17              class of Leadership Lackawanna is


           18              spearheading that project and conducting


           19              fundraising for this very, very worthy


           20              project, so it had been my assumption that


           21              they were going to be taking care of this


           22              and then, of course, the city would provide


           23              through the DPW any type of manual or labor


           24              assistance that might be necessary, but I


           25              really prior to this legislation had no






            1              knowledge that the city was going to


            2              formally enter into subsidizing the


            3              reconstruction of Hanlon's Grove.


            4                      MR. COURTRIGHT: On the question,


            5              Mr. McGoff.  Kay, if you can ask, I read the


            6              backup, if you could ask more specifically


            7              what this money is going be used for, I


            8              mean, I read the backup and to me it's a


            9              little vague so I would just like to know


           10              more specifically what's it's going to be


           11              used for this.


           12                      MR. MCGOFF:  Anyone else?  All those


           13              in favor signify by saying aye.


           14                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           15                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           16                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           17                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?


           18                      MS. EVANS:  No.


           19                      MR. MCGOFF: The ayes have it and so


           20              moved.


           21                      MS. GARVEY: 5-D. FOR INTRODUCTION-




           23              SPECIAL CITY ACCOUNT NO. 02.229593 ENTITLED














            3              PURCHASE OF A VEGETATIVE SPRAYER AND TWO (2)


            4              PUMPS.


            5                      MR. MCGOFF:  At this time I'll


            6              entertain a motion that Item 5-D be


            7              introduced into it's proper committee.


            8                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.


            9                      MS. FANUCCI:  Second.


           10                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


           11              in favor signify by saying aye.


           12                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           13                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           14                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           15                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           16                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           17              ayes have it and so moved.


           18                      MS. GARVEY: 5-E. FOR INTRODUCTION -


           19              A RESOLUTION - AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND




           21              AND ENTER INTO A GRANT AGREEMENT WITH THE




           23              ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION ("DEP") FLOOD




           25              FUNDS IN THE AMOUNT OF $50,133.00 TO






            1              PURCHASE A VEGETATIVE SPRAYER AND TWO (2)


            2              PUMPS.


            3                      MR. MCGOFF:  At this time I'll


            4              entertain a motion that Item 5-E be


            5              introduced into it's proper committee.


            6                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.


            7                      MS. FANUCCI:  Second.


            8                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


            9              in favor signify by saying aye.


           10                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           11                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           12                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           13                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           14                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           15              ayes have it and so moved.


           16                      MS. GARVEY: 5-F has been tabled.


           17              5-G. FOR INTRODUCTION - A RESOLUTION -










           22              OF SCRANTON, THE CITY OF SCRANTON, AND THE




           24              REFERRED TO AS "EMPLOYER" OR "TAX COLLECTOR"


           25              AND REPRESENTATIVES OF LODGE 2462,






            1              AFFILIATED WITH DISTRICT 1 OF THE






            4              REFERRED TO AS "UNION".


            5                      MR. MCGOFF:  At this time I'll


            6              entertain a motion that Item 5-G be


            7              introduced into it's proper committee.


            8                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.


            9                      MS. FANUCCI:  Second.


           10                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


           11              in favor signify by saying aye.


           12                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           13                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           14                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           15                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           16                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           17              ayes have it and so moved.


           18                      MS. GARVEY: 5-H. FOR INTRODUCTION -


           19              A RESOLUTION - AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND




           21              AND ENTER INTO A LOAN AGREEMENT IN THE


           22              AMOUNT OF $85,000.00 BY AND BETWEEN THE CITY


           23              OF SCRANTON AND LOCAL FOCAL, INC., A


           24              PENNSYLVANIA CORPORATION, UNDER THE








            1                      MR. MCGOFF:  At this time I'll


            2              entertain a motion that Item 5-H be


            3              introduced into it's proper committee.


            4                      MS. FANUCCI:  So moved.


            5                      MR. MCGOFF:  Second.  On the


            6              question?  All those in favor of


            7              introduction signify by saying aye.


            8                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


            9                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           10                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           11                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?


           12                      MS. EVANS: No.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF: The ayes have it and so


           14              moved.


           15                      MS. GARVEY: SIXTH ORDER.  NO


           16              BUSINESS AT THIS TIME.  SEVENTH ORDER.  7-A.


           17              FOR CONSIDERATION BY THE COMMITTEE ON


           18              FINANCE - FOR ADOPTION - FILE OF COUNCIL NO.


           19              68, 2009 - AS AMENDED - TRANSFERRING THE


           20              FUNDS FROM FUND 03 CITY LIQUID FUEL ACCOUNTS


           21              WHICH FUNDS AND ACCOUNTS ARE NO LONGER














            1              ACCOUNT.


            2                      MR. MCGOFF:  What is the


            3              recommendation of the Chairperson for the


            4              Committee on Finance?


            5                      MS. GATELLI: As Chair for the


            6              Committee on Finance, I recommend passage of


            7              7-A.


            8                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.


            9                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  Roll


           10              call, please?


           11                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.


           12                      MS. EVANS:  Yes.


           13                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Gatelli.


           14                      MS. GATELLI.  Yes.


           15                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.


           16                      MS. FANUCCI:  Yes.


           17                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. Courtright.


           18                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Yes.


           19                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.


           20                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes.  I hereby declare


           21              Item 7-A legally and lawfully adopted.


           22                      MS. GARVEY: 7-B.  FOR CONSIDERATION


           23              BY THE COMMITTEE ON RULES - FOR ADOPTION -


           24              RESOLUTION NO. 124, 2009 - AUTHORIZING THE








            1              TO EXECUTE AND ENTER INTO ON BEHALF OF THE




            3              AGREEMENT WITH THE COMMONWEALTH OF




            5              OF TRANSPORTATION ("PENNDOT") TO AUTHORIZE




            7              PARTICULARLY TO THE dotGRANTS ON-LINE


            8              REPORTING SYSTEM FOR THE PURPOSES OF






           11              INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE MS-965,


           12              MS-329 AND MS-999 FORMS AND TO DESIGNATE THE






           15              AND SENIOR ACCOUNTANT AS AUTHORIZED


           16              EMPLOYEES TO ACCESS THE SYSTEM.


           17                      MR. MCGOFF:  As Chair for the


           18              Committee on Rules, I recommend final


           19              passage of Item 7-B.


           20                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.


           21                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  Roll


           22              call, please?


           23                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.


           24                      MS. EVANS:  Yes.


           25                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Gatelli.






            1                      MS. GATELLI.  Yes.


            2                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.


            3                      MS. FANUCCI:  Yes.


            4                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. Courtright.


            5                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Yes.


            6                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.


            7                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes.  I hereby declare


            8              Item 7-B legally and lawfully adopted.


            9                      MS. GARVEY: 7-C.  FOR CONSIDERATION


           10              BY THE COMMITTEE ON PUBLIC SAFETY - FOR


           11              ADOPTION - RESOLUTION NO. 125, 2009 -






           14              THE INTERSECTION OF KEYSER AVENUE (S.R.


           15              3011) AND DALTON STREET (S.R. 3014) AND




           17              MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT NO. 04S005 BETWEEN THE






           20              OF SCRANTON (SUBDIVISION) THAT PERTAINS


           21              THERETO AS PART OF THE KEYSER AVENUE


           22              PROJECT.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF:  What is the


           24              recommendation of the Chairperson for the


           25              Committee on Public Safety?






            1                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  As Chairperson for


            2              the Committee on Public Safety, I recommend


            3              final passage of Item 7-C.


            4                      MS. EVANS: Second.


            5                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  Roll


            6              call, please?


            7                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.


            8                      MS. EVANS:  Yes.


            9                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Gatelli.


           10                      MS. GATELLI.  Yes.


           11                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.


           12                      MS. FANUCCI:  Yes.


           13                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. Courtright.


           14                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Yes.


           15                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.


           16                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes.  I hereby declare


           17              Item 7-C legally and lawfully adopted.


           18                      MS. GARVEY: 7-D. FOR CONSIDERATION




           20              FOR ADOPTION - RESOLUTION NO. 126, 2009 -






           23              ENTER INTO A LOAN AGREEMENT AND MAKE A LOAN




           25              LOAN PROGRAM, PROJECT NO. 150.23 IN AN






            1              AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $50,000.00 TO GLEASON




            3              PROJECT.


            4                      MR. MCGOFF:  What is the


            5              recommendation of the Chairperson for the


            6              Committee on Community Development?


            7                      MS. FANUCCI: As Chairperson for the


            8              Committee on Community Development, I


            9              recommend final passage of Item 7-D.


           10                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.


           11                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  Roll


           12              call, please?


           13                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.


           14                      MS. EVANS:  Yes.


           15                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Gatelli.


           16                      MS. GATELLI.  Yes.


           17                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.


           18                      MS. FANUCCI:  Yes.


           19                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. Courtright.


           20                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Yes.


           21                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.


           22                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes.  I hereby declare


           23              Item 7-D legally and lawfully adopted.


           24                      MS. GARVEY: 7-E. FOR CONSIDERATION








            1              FOR ADOPTION - RESOLUTION NO. 127, 2009 -






            4              ENTER INTO A LOAN AGREEMENT AND MAKE A LOAN




            6              PROGRAM, PROJECT NO. 150.22 IN AN AMOUNT NOT


            7              TO EXCEED $35,000.00 TO BACKYARD ALE HOUSE,


            8              LLC TO ASSIST AN ELIGIBLE PROJECT.


            9                      MR. MCGOFF:  What is the


           10              recommendation of the Chair for the


           11              Committee on Community Development?


           12                      MS. FANUCCI: As Chairperson for the


           13              Committee on Community Development, I


           14              recommend final passage of Item 7-E.


           15                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.


           16                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  Roll


           17              call, please?


           18                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.


           19                      MS. EVANS:  Yes.


           20                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Gatelli.


           21                      MS. GATELLI.  Yes.


           22                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.


           23                      MS. FANUCCI:  Yes.


           24                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. Courtright.


           25                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Yes.






            1                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.


            2                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes.  I hereby declare


            3              Item 7-E legally and lawfully adopted.


            4                      MS. GARVEY: 7-F has been tabled.


            5                      MS. GATELLI: I just have a motion


            6              that I'd like to make so we can place


            7              something on the agenda next week.  I'm


            8              making the motion because I voted "no" for


            9              this at a previous meeting, so when you vote


           10              "no" you are allowed to bring it back up,


           11              otherwise, it can't be brought up by anyone


           12              else.  It is for the traffic signal on


           13              Providence Road and Olive Street and we do


           14              have a letter from the Superintendent of


           15              Schools in the City of Scranton recommending


           16              that we install that traffic light, so I


           17              would I move that we waive the Rules of


           18              Council to allow reintroduction of


           19              Resolution No. 102 of 2009 authorizing the


           20              revision of the existing traffic signal


           21              along seventh Avenue Providence Road SR 3029


           22              at the intersection of Munchak Way and Olive


           23              Street to include a new driveway approach to


           24              the Ice Box driveway.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF: Second.  On the






            1              question?  All those in favor signify by


            2              saying aye.


            3                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


            4                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


            5                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


            6                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


            7                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


            8              ayes have it and so moved.


            9                      MS. GATELLI: Motion to adjourn.


           10                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.


           11                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you for your


           12              participation.


































            2                     C E R T I F I C A T E




            4        I hereby certify that the proceedings and


            5   evidence are contained fully and accurately in the


            6   notes of testimony taken by me at the hearing of the


            7   above-captioned matter and that the foregoing is a true


            8   and correct transcript of the same to the best of my


            9   ability.







                                    CATHENE S. NARDOZZI, RPR

           13                       OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER