1              SCRANTON CITY COUNCIL MEETING








            5                          HELD:




            7                   Tuesday, June 2, 2009




            9                        LOCATION:


           10                    Council Chambers


           11                 Scranton City Hall


           12              340 North Washington Avenue


           13                Scranton, Pennsylvania











































                MS. JANET E. EVANS

            8   (Not present.)


            9   MS. SHERRY FANUCCI



                MR. WILLIAM COURTRIGHT



           12   MS. KAY GARVEY, CITY CLERK






           15   MR. AMIL MINORA, SOLICITOR


























            1   (Pledge of Allegiance recited and moment of reflection


            2   observed.)


            3                      MR. MCGOFF: Roll call, please.  Mrs.


            4              Evans.


            5                      (Mrs. Evans not present.)


            6                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Gatelli.


            7                      (Mrs. Gatelli not present.)


            8                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.


            9                      MS. FANUCCI:  Here.


           10                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. Courtright.


           11                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Here.


           12                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF:  Here.  Let the record


           14              show that Mrs. Evans called and said that


           15              she would not be at tonight's meeting, she


           16              had a medical appointment out of town and


           17              she did not think that she would be back in


           18              time.  Dispense with the reading of the


           19              minutes.  Announcements, Mr. Courtright?


           20                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I have two both


           21              regarding both police matters.  I'm just


           22              reading this for the first time myself.


           23              It's in response to a letter that was sent


           24              from Dave Elliott from the police department


           25              about the accusations, I'll say, that were






            1              made here last week regarding the stolen


            2              signs and obstruction of justice and


            3              whatever else we want to call it.  Again,


            4              this is -- I have not read this at all, this


            5              is the first time I'm reading it so if it's


            6              not like what you like don't shoot the


            7              messenger.


            8                      "Dart council members, I received


            9              your letter dated May 29," -- again, this is


           10              from Dave Elliott from the police


           11              department, "I received your letter dated


           12              May 29, 2009, regarding the investigation of


           13              stolen/damaged political signs belonging to


           14              Gary DiBileo.  The incident occurred on


           15              March 23, 2009, at 319 Harrison Avenue


           16              approximately 11:00 according to the police


           17              report.  The owner of the property stated


           18              that there were surveillance tape that


           19              recorded the incident while it occurred.


           20              The police received the evidence and placed


           21              it into our evidence room.  The case was


           22              turned over to Detective Mike Schultz for


           23              further investigation.


           24                      During the investigation, Detective


           25              Schultz stated that he believed that the






            1              person of interest may be involved -- may


            2              involve city hall employees.  He contacted


            3              the supervisor and asked that the


            4              investigation be turned over to another


            5              agency do to a possible conflict.  At this


            6              point, Sergeant Robert Martin, Schultz's


            7              immediate' supervisor, requested that I turn


            8              over the investigation due to a possible


            9              conflict of interest because of the persons


           10              of interest.


           11                      On April 15, 2009, I was sent a copy


           12              of the letter from Gary DiBileo also


           13              requesting to turn the case over to another


           14              agency due to a possible conflict.  Between


           15              April 15 and April 21 I contacted the


           16              Lackawanna County District Attorney's


           17              Office, the Pennsylvania State Police and


           18              the PA Attorney General's Office regarding


           19              the incident and asked that they would take


           20              over the investigation.  All three agencies


           21              stated that they would not take the case.


           22              Once they turned down the investigation it


           23              was returned to Captain Al Leonina,


           24              commander of the criminal investigation


           25              unit, to have the case assigned back to






            1              Detective Schultz.


            2                      As of the date of your letter, I


            3              contacted Captain Leoncini to find out the


            4              status of the case and I was informed that


            5              the case is still active.  He stated that


            6              there are persons of interest, but has not


            7              called them suspects.  He also stated at


            8              this point in the investigation there is no


            9              probable cause for arrest.


           10                      If there is someone that has further


           11              investigation regarding this incident, I ask


           12              they contact the criminal investigation


           13              division directly.  As for any comments


           14              regarding the coverup, we have made every


           15              attempt to identify the parties involved


           16              going as far as putting the video on


           17              television and having the public forward


           18              information.  We have honored the request


           19              for other agency to look at the case, but we


           20              were denied.  Since this case is still


           21              active, the Detective division cannot


           22              release any further details regarding the


           23              case."


           24                      So, for those of who might have


           25              information Dave Elliott is asking that you






            1              contact the criminal investigation division,


            2              and I guess that would be acting Captain Al


            3              Leoncini, so we thank him for the response.


            4              Again, that may or may not be what some


            5              people wanted to hear, but that's the answer


            6              we got.


            7                      Just one other thing, I think a


            8              matter of great importance to everybody in


            9              this city right now, I think we are all


           10              aware of the fact that there was an


           11              individual that was shot and killed by


           12              Scranton police officers.  I personally to


           13              not have any other information nor do I


           14              believe anybody on council has any other


           15              information other than what the general


           16              public has.  At times do I tend to have a


           17              little bit more information than the average


           18              council person, probably, but at this time I


           19              don't.  The state police stepped in, they


           20              were asked to step in by Scranton, which I


           21              think was the proper thing to do.


           22                      They stepped in, they are conducting


           23              the investigation and it's been extremely


           24              quiet, but I and I believe other council


           25              members have been contacted by phone, I have






            1              been stopped on the street, and all kinds of


            2              questions and accusations have been told to


            3              me.  I personally don't think that, you


            4              know, there is a person that died here, and


            5              I don't think that we should be making any


            6              kind of accusations whatsoever or any


            7              assumptions or anything to that affect on


            8              either one side of the other until the


            9              investigation comes out and we find out what


           10              happened.  I have a lot of faith in the


           11              state police, I believe they will


           12              investigate it, and I believe they will do


           13              the right thing, but some things I was


           14              hearing, some ugly things on both sides.


           15              Ugly things about the police officers, and


           16              ugly things about the individual that passed


           17              away and I just don't think that's right.


           18                      I'm assuming that some people would


           19              be asking us tonight if we know, so I'm just


           20              trying to tell you up front I know no more


           21              than you do and I do not believe anybody up


           22              here knows anymore than you do, but I just


           23              don't -- I don't think we want to start


           24              shooting out accusations on either side of


           25              the fence.  I would recommend that we let






            1              the state police do their job, let's see


            2              what they find out and hopefully justice


            3              will be served in one way or the other.


            4                      I just thought I would like to say


            5              that because of the large amount of people


            6              that have a lot of interest.  My


            7              understanding is they are talking about on


            8              the radio, on the Corbett show, I haven't


            9              heard any of that myself, I don't know what


           10              they have said or haven't said, but that is


           11              just my recommendation, we see where the


           12              investigation goes before we start accusing


           13              anyone on either side, on either side, and


           14              that's all I have.  Thank you.


           15                      (Mrs. Gatelli arrived while Mr.


           16              Courtright was speaking.)


           17                      MR. MCGOFF: I would just like to add


           18              that I think that any discussion of this


           19              matter at this time in council would be


           20              inappropriate, possibly because it would be


           21              injurious to the victim, to the Scranton


           22              Police Department, to the officers involved,


           23              and therefore, we have agreed as a council


           24              that we will not discuss it this evening and


           25              not until there is a report from the state






            1              police and I would ask that any speakers


            2              please refrain from discussing this incident


            3              until there is adequate evidence to support


            4              whatever it is that may be said, so again, I


            5              would ask you to refrain from speaking about


            6              it at the podium this evening.


            7                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I think maybe


            8              because this has all touched us in one way


            9              or the other, I think maybe we forgot, I


           10              would recommend maybe at this time we have a


           11              moment of silence for the young woman that


           12              lost her life.


           13                      (Moment of silence observed.)


           14                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.  Other


           15              announcements.  Anyone?


           16                      MS. GATELLI:  I just have two quick


           17              announcements:  One is to please remember in


           18              your prayers my boss in the Scranton School


           19              District, Mr. Patty Schrenkgaust passed away


           20              on Saturday.  She suffered tremendously, so


           21              please remember her in your thoughts, and


           22              also another good friend of mine is ill,


           23              keep her in your prayers.  She is a


           24              neighborhood leader, Mr. Barbara Maranuchi,


           25              so please try to remember her in your






            1              prayers, also.  That's all I have.  Thank


            2              you.


            3                      MR. MCGOFF: I was asked -- or we


            4              were asked to announce a free rabies clinic


            5              Saturday, June 13, from 1 to 3 p.m. at the


            6              VCA Dunmore Animal Hospital, that's at 1317


            7              Drinker Street, Dunmore, PA, sponsored by


            8              the Scranton Animal Care Association.


            9                      And also I believe everyone probably


           10              saw in the paper the Pennsylvania Treasurer


           11              McCord has for want of a better term a task


           12              force of some kind to seeking the owners of


           13              unclaimed property.  This is going to take


           14              place on Tuesday, June 2.  I guess we missed


           15              it.  Sorry.  I did not look at the dates.  I


           16              just received it today.


           17                      MS. GATELLI:  It's still in the


           18              paper.


           19                      MR. MCGOFF: And it is in the


           20              newspaper.  Sorry.  All of that for nothing,


           21              I'm sorry.  I'm not very timely I guess.


           22              Anything else?  Fourth order.


           23                      MS. GAWEL: Did you remember the


           24              dates for the American Cancer Society Relay?


           25                      MR. MCGOFF: No.






            1                      MS. GAWEL:  I think it's next


            2              Saturday, the 13, but I'm not sure.


            3                      MR. MCGOFF:  I'm sorry, third order.


            4                      MS. GARVEY: 3-A. MINUTES OF THE




            6              ON APRIL 22, 2009.


            7                      MR. MCGOFF: Are there any comments?


            8              If not, received and filed.


            9                      MS. GARVEY: 3-B. AGENDA FOR THE




           11              ON MAY 27, 2009.


           12                      MR. MCGOFF: Are there any comments?


           13              If not, received and filed.


           14                      MS. GARVEY: 3-C. MINUTES OF THE




           16              HELD ON APRIL 22, 2009.


           17                       MR. MCGOFF: Are there any comments?


           18              If not, received and filed.


           19                      MS. GARVEY: 3-D. MINUTES OF THE




           21              MEETING HELD ON APRIL 22, 2009.


           22                      MR. MCGOFF: Are there any comments?


           23              If not, received and filed.


           24                      MS. GARVEY: That's it for third


           25              order.






            1                      MR. MCGOFF:  Thank you, Mrs. Garvey,


            2              and please for the record show that Mrs.


            3              Gatelli is present.  You were not at roll


            4              call before.  Citizens' participation.  Les


            5              Spindler.


            6                      MR. SPINDLER: Finally.  I'm in a


            7              hurry to get out of here tonight and we are


            8              late.  I have a neighborhood association/


            9              crime watch meeting in like five minutes.


           10                      First of all, Mrs. Gatelli, I would


           11              like to comment on how you accepted your


           12              loss last week, you were very gracious in


           13              defeat congratulating all the victors.  I


           14              thought that was very good of you unlike


           15              your counterpart who was very mean and


           16              viscous and thank God in January we won't


           17              have to put up with that any more.


           18                      MR. MCGOFF: Please, Mr. Spindler,


           19              the election is over.


           20                      MR. SPINDLER: I understand.


           21                      MR. MCGOFF: Could we please move on.


           22                      MR. SPINDLER: I didn't want to come


           23              here tonight until I read two things in the


           24              paper.  First of all, a KOZ for the office


           25              park down on Linden Street, we don't need






            1              anymore KOZ's in this area.  Austin Burke


            2              said it's got to be a KOZ or they are not


            3              going to come here.  That's not true.  I


            4              hear something about a done deal, the people


            5              are coming here, we don't need more KOZ's,


            6              the people don't need anymore burdens in


            7              this city, we need all of the money coming


            8              in here that we can get and, Mrs. Gatelli,


            9              I'm going to talk at you, maybe you can side


           10              with the people this time because I know the


           11              stamper over here is just going to stamp


           12              away as she said last week, so please stick


           13              up for the people and don't okay this KOZ.


           14                      MS. GATELLI: Mr. Spindler, just for


           15              the record, I don't believe anybody up here


           16              ever voted for a KOZ.  We weren't here.


           17              When they did.


           18                      MR. SPINDLER:  Okay, well, I'm


           19              asking that this council doesn't because we


           20              don't need anymore in this city.


           21                      Second of all, the I'm not sure of


           22              all of the details about the mayor giving


           23              away or leasing or selling the Wildlife


           24              Center to Lackawanna College and Doug Miller


           25              came here awhile back and said Chris Doherty






            1              has got a plan.  And, Mrs. Fanucci, you said


            2              what's the plan?


            3                      MS. FANUCCI: He said restaurant.


            4                      MR. SPINDLER: That was the plan.


            5              No, he said they have a plan.


            6                      MS. FANUCCI: No, he said restaurant.


            7              Let's get it right.  He said restaurant.


            8                      MR. SPINDLER:  He said they have a


            9              plan.


           10                      MS. FANUCCI: He said it was a


           11              restaurant.


           12                      MR. SPINDLER: Mr. McGoff, would you


           13              get her out of order?  I'm trying to talk


           14              here.  I have five minutes.  Use your gavel


           15              on her and not just on the people.


           16                      MS. FANUCCI: Sorry, Les.


           17                      MR. SPINDLER: Thank God in January


           18              we won't have you at the gavel either.


           19                      MS. FANUCCI: It's going to be a long


           20              time before then though.


           21                      MR. MCGOFF: Please, let him finish.


           22                      MR. SPINDLER: Anyway, I have the


           23              deed for Nay Aug.  I don't think Lackawanna


           24              College can move in.  It's a free and public


           25              park of.  The mayor can't give public space






            1              away, so I think you should have your


            2              solicitor look at the deed.  I don't think


            3              they can use that for that.


            4                      MS. FANUCCI: They can.


            5                      MR. SPINDLER: And these plans were


            6              in the works probably months and months and


            7              ago because they showed the plans on the


            8              news tonight, so Mayor Doherty had a plan.


            9              He threw Mrs. Miller out for a reason.  He


           10              is just a rotten person, that's all I have


           11              to say.


           12                      MR. MCGOFF: That's unnecessary.


           13                      MR. SPINDLER: And, Mr. Courtright, I


           14              think -- I think you know what I'm going to


           15              talk about, I think we should dispel the


           16              rumors, there is a rumor going around you


           17              are going to leave her sometime the first.


           18              I know what you are going to say, is that


           19              true or not?


           20                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Les, at this time I


           21              have no plans on leaving.


           22                      MR. SPINDLER:  I understand that,


           23              but there are rumors out there.  I don't


           24              know where people come up with them.


           25                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  You will have that.






            1                      MR. SPINDLER: And about the chief's


            2              letter, I don't think that's true because I


            3              got my information straight from Attorney


            4              Chris Cullen who told Steven Corbett live on


            5              the air that the police investigation is


            6              done and the report was with the chief, Ray


            7              Hayes and the mayor, Steve Corbett has a


            8              copy of the report, so does WNEP, so I don't


            9              think the chief is telling the truth.


           10                      MS. FANUCCI: Les, do you think you


           11              can get that for us?


           12                      MR. SPINDLER: I think you can.  You


           13              people -- you are the elected officials.


           14                      MS. FANUCCI: I'm just saying we are


           15              not aware of any report, but if you are


           16              saying --


           17                      MR. SPINDLER: I'm not -- well, talk


           18              to -- maybe we should get Chris Cullen in


           19              here because he is the one that said it to


           20              Steve Corbett and I'm not the only one that


           21              heard it live on the radio.


           22                      MS. FANUCCI: Yeah, he is usually


           23              pretty truthful.


           24                      MR. SPINDLER: Steve Corbett is a lot


           25              smarter than you are, Mrs. Fanucci.






            1                      MR. MCGOFF: Please.


            2                      MS. FANUCCI: She is making comments,


            3              too.


            4                      MR. MCGOFF: I'm asking you both to


            5              --


            6                      MR. SPINDLER: You are so one-sided


            7              it's unbelievable.


            8                      MR. MCGOFF: If you have something to


            9              say, please.


           10                      MS. FANUCCI: I was talking to him-


           11                      MS. GATELLI: Les, maybe we'll just


           12              have Attorney Minora call Attorney Cullen.


           13                      MR. SPINDLER: Okay.


           14                      MS. GATELLI: Okay?


           15                      MR. SPINDLER: I would appreciate


           16              that.


           17                      MS. GATELLI: And see if there was --


           18                      MR. SPINDLER:  Because I spoke with


           19              Attorney Cullen myself.


           20                      MR. GATELLI: Will you do that, Mr.


           21              Minora?


           22                      MR. SPINDLER: Lastly, there is a


           23              comment section on the Scranton -- on the


           24              Doherty newsletter, I should say on-line


           25              section, and there is a coward on there that






            1              won't put his name that criticizes all the


            2              speakers that come in here, and last week


            3              when I talked about the signs he called me a


            4              sore loser.  Well, first of all, I didn't


            5              run for anything, I didn't lose anything.  I


            6              don't know what he is talking about being a


            7              sore loser.


            8                      Second of all, the signs were


            9              stolen, and that's a crime, these signs were


           10              40, 50 bucks a shot, they were 70 signs


           11              stolen, so to me that's a major crime, and


           12              as far as me being a sore loser, like I


           13              said, I didn't lose anything because I


           14              didn't run for any office.  Thank you.


           15                      MR. MCGOFF: Andy Sbaraglia.


           16                      MR. SBARAGLIA: Andy Sbaraglia,


           17              citizen of Scranton.  Fellow Scrantonians,


           18              it's pretty hard to come after Les, but


           19              let's get on something down here.  We have


           20              this -- these are people who have asked for


           21              loans, which you are going to be voting on,


           22              Gleason Custom Kitchens.  I believe that


           23              company has been in business for quite


           24              awhile, and I assume you checked with the


           25              Better Business Bureau to see if there was






            1              any complaints against this individual or


            2              individuals before you could vote on it.


            3              That would be the first thing to check on.


            4                      Okay, and let's get onto this other


            5              one, Backyard Ale House, and up there at


            6              Gleason Custom Kitchens they say two people,


            7              but like I said, I think they have been in


            8              business for quite awhile so they must have


            9              a staff already.


           10                      Okay, let's go over to the Backyard


           11              Ale House, they want to borrow $25,000.  By


           12              the way, these two loans are at 5 percent,


           13              so just in case I don't mention it, and one


           14              job.  So that takes care of the other two


           15              loans.  Now, we get to 5-F.  They want


           16              85,000, but this percentage they want to


           17              borrow like 1 percent.  Remember, these


           18              other two people got charge five, this


           19              person got charged one.  It struck out like


           20              a sore thumb, and as far as I know I think


           21              they are in the 201 Lackawanna Avenue, I


           22              think that's the enterprise zone, so they


           23              ain't even paying taxes.  So they are going


           24              to get a five-year free ride and a low


           25              interest loan, but I guess that's the way






            1              the city works.  I guess our -- well,


            2              somebody got in there anyway to tell them to


            3              give them a 1 percent loan, I don't exactly


            4              know why, but if I was paying 5 percent I


            5              would certainly pay to the mayor.


            6                      MS. FANUCCI:  Their job creation is


            7              going to be 20 jobs within three years.


            8                      MR. SBARAGLIA: They are in a KOZ.


            9              There is no way -- it's not a KOZ, but they


           10              don't pay any taxes, they can give 100 jobs.


           11              If the people don't live in Scranton that's


           12              52 bucks, remember that.  That's all, and


           13              people don't really shop a lot in Scranton


           14              or the mall wouldn't be in a lot of trouble.


           15              Just remember that, too.


           16                      MS. FANUCCI: Okay.


           17                      MR. SBARAGLIA: Okay, let's go down


           18              to the KOZ's.  Now, this is Galdieri you are


           19              talking about.  They want to make that a KOZ


           20              now, and if you remember they paid 2 million


           21              totally -- this is Galdieri for him to move


           22              out, this is a Slipco; right.


           23                      MS. FANUCCI: Right.


           24                      MR. SBARAGLIA: Okay, they pay 2


           25              million for his property to move him out.






            1              That was not what they call green space or


            2              whatever the name they use for a derelict


            3              property.  The other properties that they


            4              are referring to were also KOZ'd, for ten


            5              years they haven't been paying taxes on


            6              them.  Now, they want you to give them


            7              another ten years, so that's going to be


            8              20 years of a free ride.  Now, where did you


            9              come off?


           10                      We had an increase of 25 percent.


           11              The annex tax went up to 52 percent and yet


           12              you are giving free rides to corporation


           13              after corporation, after corporation which


           14              is nothing but a tax dodge.  If they were


           15              coming from New York, outside of Maryland,


           16              this is people coming in from out-of-state.


           17                      MS. FANUCCI: Some of them are, yes.


           18                      MR. SBARAGLIA:  No, it's not until


           19              they got the building going.


           20                      MS. FANUCCI: That's not true, some


           21              of the companies are coming in from


           22              out-of-state.


           23                      MR. SBARAGLIA: Do have you the


           24              names?  No. You don't have the names because


           25              they won't give it to you.






            1                      MS. FANUCCI: Okay.


            2                      MR. SBARAGLIA:  You know what I mean


            3              because they won't give it to you.


            4                      MS. FANUCCI: Let me ask you a


            5              question, seriously and I'm asking you


            6              seriously.


            7                      MR. SBARAGLIA: Go ahead.


            8                      MS. FANUCCI: If all of the other


            9              people around us, all of the other places,


           10              Jessup, Jermyn and everybody else, did


           11              approve this KOZ and now we are in the midst


           12              of saying no, and saying no, we are not


           13              going to approve it, you don't think that


           14              these companies are just going to locate up


           15              there?


           16                      MR. SBARAGLIA: I got news for you,


           17              they go where they want.


           18                      MS. FANUCCI: Right.


           19                      MR. SBARAGALIA: The thing is they


           20              are damaging the state.  We are $3 billion


           21              in debt.  Any person that moves from a


           22              different area of the state into Scranton,


           23              and that's in Pennsylvania, is damaging the


           24              state economy and there is no way to look at


           25              it.  It's true.






            1                      MS. FANUCCI: Regardless --


            2              regardless, it's an open -- it's an open


            3              deal.  That's out there.  This program is


            4              out there.  So, I mean, we can't stop that


            5              program in the city.  What I'm asking you is


            6              if there is a chance to have 1,000 jobs in


            7              the city or a chance for a 1,000 --


            8                      MR. SBARAGLIA: I got five minutes to


            9              talk.


           10                      MS. FANUCCI: I'm asking you a


           11              question.


           12                      MR. SBARAGLIA: Stop my time.


           13                      MS. FANUCCI: I'm trying to have a


           14              conversation, yeah.


           15                      MR. SBARAGALIA: I hope he is


           16              stopping the time.


           17                      MS. FANUCCI: I'm asking you a


           18              serious question, you don't think that


           19              that's a tough sell to say, you know what, I


           20              can move four blocks away or three miles


           21              away to get a KOZ and within the city I


           22              can't?


           23                      MR. SBARAGLIA: Why do you think I


           24              talked about the KOZ?  You weren't there.


           25              When this came --






            1                      MS. FANUCCI: But --


            2                      MR. SBARAGLIA: No.  No.  Hold on.


            3                      MS. FANUCCI: No, give him the two


            4              minutes.


            5                      MR. SBARAGLIA: She took two minutes


            6              out of my time.


            7                      MS. FANUCCI: No, he doesn't want an


            8              exchange, he just wants his time to talk, so


            9              go ahead.


           10                      MR. MCGOFF: Please finish.


           11                      MR. SBARAGALIA: You weren't there


           12              for the KOZ, I was.  I fought the KOZ when


           13              it came out.  The reason I came out because


           14              there is nothing more than a tax dodge.


           15              Look at what was done with the KOZ's.  They


           16              fixed up buildings that they own, okay?


           17              That's what they did.  They bought a


           18              building, they fixed them up.  I, as a


           19              property owner, I didn't ask you to give me


           20              a KOZ to fix up my house, maybe I should.


           21              You are better off taking a KOZ, take all of


           22              these delinquent housing lots that are


           23              around the city that they are ripping down


           24              the homes, make them KOZ's and give them to


           25              the people next door that lives next to him,






            1              at least they will take care of their


            2              properties.


            3                      You're pipe dreams.  You ain't going


            4              to be here in ten years probably, maybe I


            5              won't either, but I can tell you one thing


            6              no one should ever get 20 years of tax free


            7              status, I don't care what they are.  All you


            8              are doing is creating a surplus where the


            9              peasants in the city has to pay the taxes to


           10              the business people with little or no.  Look


           11              at the land?  Did you ever look at how many


           12              lands are not developed that was KOZ'd?  The


           13              KOZ was fought.  It was fought when it was


           14              written, and it's fought today and it will


           15              continue to be fought.  Okay, I think I used


           16              my time.


           17                      MR. MCGOFF: Ozzie Quinn.


           18                      MR. QUINN:  Ozzie Quinn, president


           19              of the Scranton/Lackawanna County Taxpayers'


           20              Association.  I want to continue where Andy


           21              left off, KOZ, KOEZ, we have actually 207


           22              parcels of land in the City of Scranton


           23              under this KOZ, KOEZ.  Now, we have a debt


           24              of 170 million.  If you extrapolate that


           25              into the future with the interest it's






            1              $273 million.  25 percent of our properties


            2              are nontaxable, nonprofits.  You got a whole


            3              in the budget right now, in the 2009 budget,


            4              that we have to fill of $2.5 million.  I


            5              don't know where this money is coming from.


            6              We are talking about new jobs coming in, a


            7              thousand new jobs, and I never seen such a


            8              blatant lie as Mayor Doherty said about the


            9              6,000 jobs because I have right here a


           10              document, HUD document.  It's a HUD document


           11              and it shows from 2001 to the present into


           12              2007, it didn't accrue last year, how many


           13              jobs were created or retained?  178.  It's a


           14              little far distance from 6,000.  Stretch it


           15              out there.  My God, talk about who is taken


           16              a cooly.  Wow.


           17                      MS. FANUCCI: I believe --


           18                      MR. QUINN: Uh --


           19                      MS. FANUCCI: I know, Ozzie, but I do


           20              believe that that's just for the job


           21              creation for our loans.


           22                      MR. QUINN: Pardon me?


           23                      MS. FANUCCI: I believe that's just


           24              for the job creation for the loans we gave


           25              out.  That's HUD, that's not saying 6,000






            1              jobs.


            2                      MR. QUINN: What did he do, build his


            3              own place.


            4                      MS. FANUCCI: There is probably


            5              nothing else that came here since '95.


            6                      MR. QUINN: What does that mean, Mrs.


            7              Fanucci?  Amil, excuse me, I'm sorry, Mr.


            8              McGoff, what would that be.


            9                      MS. FANUCCI: Well, I know the


           10              Enterprise Center right now there is jobs --


           11              there is a company there with 30, 40 jobs


           12              since last year.


           13                      MR. QUINN: Now, well, well, well --


           14                      MS. FANUCCI: I mean, there is places


           15              all over the city, I can't give you that


           16              number, but I'm saying that that information


           17              probably isn't accurate right now.  You are


           18              claiming that that's -- that's a HUD action


           19              document not just a job creation out of the


           20              whole city.


           21                      MR. QUINN:  This is what OECD filed


           22              with HUD.


           23                      MS. FANUCCI:  Right, but that's not


           24              saying that there was all these other jobs


           25              created in the city.






            1                      MR. MCGOFF: Please, let Mr. Quinn,


            2              finish.


            3                      MR. QUINN:  You know, a person


            4              called me and said about the South Side


            5              library, you know?  They said the fact, and


            6              I agree with them because I have gone up to


            7              the library, the Albright library in the


            8              afternoon, and it is packed with computers.


            9              Now, people go to the libraries nowadays


           10              either to do research or to pick up a book


           11              to read, of course.  Now, this gentleman


           12              recommended or suggested that I recommended


           13              or suggested that the city, a good friend of


           14              the mayor, use some of that community


           15              development block grant money and put it


           16              into the mall crossing the transit where


           17              Boscov used to have his furniture, it's


           18              vacant in there and where the T-shirt place


           19              was, put maybe 100 computers in there, and


           20              you don't need any new library, and I agree


           21              with this man.


           22                      I spoke with Bob Neverosky today and


           23              he is a little disturbed, he is president of


           24              the Hill Neighborhood Association, I'm an


           25              officer in the blight, and he never got a






            1              letter that there was a meeting, a


            2              combination meeting between Pinebrook and


            3              the HNA, okay?  And why wouldn't there be a


            4              meeting in the Hill Section?  Now, the


            5              meeting is going to held, it's being held


            6              right now at 829 Capouse Avenue.  I don't


            7              know what, is that a store or something?


            8                      MS. GATELLI: What, Ozzie?


            9                      MR. QUINN:  829 Capouse Avenue?


           10                      MS. GATELLI: That's the Pinebrook


           11              neighborhood office.


           12                      MR. QUINN: It's a store?


           13                      MS. GATELLI: Yes, it's in there.  I


           14              think it's Jerry Rinaldi's store.


           15                      MR. QUINN:  How can the people from


           16              the Hill Section, you know, go down and go,


           17              it's just going through the motions.  If


           18              they had a meeting up at the IHM Church or


           19              the Covenant Church for the people to


           20              discuss the consolidated plan that would be


           21              great, but it's obviously, again, it's just


           22              skipping over the Hill Neighborhood


           23              Association.


           24                      I feel bad about everything that's


           25              going on here, and I do want to say the fact






            1              that I do have to mention not only are we


            2              talking about the debt in the city with


            3              regards to the $273 million, we also have to


            4              bring in the school district is 120 -- I'll


            5              finish up here, please?  Okay?  And the


            6              county debt is $224 million, add that up.


            7              It comes over to half a million dollars,


            8              doesn't it?  Who is going to pay for it?


            9                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.


           10                      MS. GATELLI: Ozzie, I just have


           11              question, did you go to the school board


           12              meeting last night?


           13                      MR. QUINN:  No, because it was a --


           14                      MS. GATELLI: Oh, a work session.


           15                      MR. QUINN: I make sure that I go to


           16              all school board meetings, but --


           17                      MS. GATELLI:  No, I just wondered if


           18              they did anything on the KOZ or not?


           19                      MR. QUINN:  No.  I assumed they are


           20              going to go on vacation so they will


           21              probably have it at Monday's meeting.


           22                      MS. GATELLI: Monday there's a


           23              meeting.


           24                      MR. QUINN:  Yeah.


           25                      MS. GATELLI: Okay.






            1                      MR. MCGOFF: Sam Patilla.


            2                      MR. PATILLA: Sam Patilla, Scranton


            3              resident, member of the Scranton Taxpayers'


            4              Association.  Good evening, Mr. Courtright.


            5              My condolences to the Williams' family.


            6              Three years now I have been coming to the


            7              city council along with other speakers


            8              begging and pleading with this


            9              administration to settle the contracts with


           10              the fire and police unions.


           11                      Now, I have had quite a few


           12              individuals approach me requesting that make


           13              a phone call, get Al Sharpton to come here


           14              and I tell them, no.  Al Sharpton never


           15              voted for Chris Doherty.  Al Sharpton isn't


           16              responsible for people like Stu Renda


           17              getting $80,000, okay?


           18                       I don't want the members of the


           19              community to look down upon the Scranton


           20              Police Department because there is some


           21              great men and women on that force.  I do


           22              want them to remember that they're partially


           23              to blame because they are the ones that


           24              voted for Chris Doherty, okay.  Had you


           25              elected somebody who actually cared about






            1              the citizens, who actually cared about the


            2              small business owners, who actually cared


            3              about the education of our children, the


            4              qualified and experienced police officers


            5              wouldn't have migrated out of this city to


            6              other areas.  The situation of Sister


            7              Williams might have been diffused before it


            8              got to that point.


            9                      And I want you all to understand and


           10              realize that we have an election coming up.


           11              We need people who are for the people.  We


           12              don't need people who are for themselves.


           13              We don't need people who have for corporate


           14              America.  We need people to represent the


           15              citizens and the business owners of the City


           16              of Scranton.  You want to blame somebody,


           17              you blame Chris Doherty.  You blame the


           18              chief of police, you blame Ray Hayes because


           19              had they spent that time and energy to


           20              ensure that the police were trained and had


           21              the equipment that they needed to protect


           22              not only the citizens of Scranton but


           23              themselves, we wouldn't be confronted with


           24              these type of situations, all right?


           25                      It's a heated situation.  Now, I






            1              don't want to turn racial, I don't want


            2              people turning against the police force.  I


            3              want people to wake up and smell the coffee.


            4              It's time to elect people who are here for


            5              you not people who want to get in office


            6              because they think that it will help them


            7              leap frog to other office.  We don't need


            8              political hacks.  We need concerned


            9              individuals who are concerned about us as a


           10              whole, all right?


           11                      I listened to the radio the night of


           12              the election 7 percent of the precinct had


           13              reported, 7 percent.  This man had already


           14              giving an acceptance speech.  93 percent of


           15              the precinct hadn't even reported and he is


           16              already giving an acceptance speech, all


           17              right?  So keep in mind when this election


           18              comes around here don't be voting for people


           19              because you like them, vote for people that


           20              are going to do the job that that position


           21              entails, okay?


           22                      And before I go, Mr. Courtright,


           23              what business is Focal, Inc., are they a


           24              manufacturing business, a retail business?


           25                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Which one?






            1                      MR. PATILLA: Focal.  The one you are


            2              going to give 85 grand to.


            3                      MR. MCGOFF: It's software.


            4                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I believe it's for,


            5              as he said, it's for software, computers.


            6                      MR. PATILLA: All right.  They don't


            7              have government contracts, do they?


            8                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I'm not aware if


            9              they do or not, I don't know.


           10                      MR. PATILLA: Okay, because just like


           11              Andy said, you know, you give these


           12              businesses KOZ's, then you come down here


           13              and you give them 1 percent, all right?


           14              Now, when our property taxes come around,


           15              well, I'm going to get mine because my


           16              property value is worth 20 percent less than


           17              it was when we bought that house, so I'm


           18              going to get my discount because you are not


           19              going to bill me on what I paid for that


           20              house.  You are going to bill me for the


           21              market value is, but you come, you bring


           22              this companies in here, you give them


           23              freebies, you give them handouts, you give


           24              them the resources that the citizens of


           25              Scranton have broken their backs to create,






            1              to produce and you basically spit in their


            2              face when it comes time to looking out for


            3              their well-being.  Get off the dump and


            4              start taking care of the citizens.  To hell


            5              with these businesses.


            6                      MR. MCGOFF: Jean Suetta.


            7                      MS. SUETTA: How you are doing


            8              everybody?  Jean Suetta.  Hi, Billy.  Hi,


            9              Bob.


           10                      MR. MCGOFF: Good evening.


           11                      MS. SUETTA: It would nice if you


           12              could look at me instead of sitting there


           13              like that.


           14                      MR. MCGOFF: I was just --


           15                      MS. SUETTA: Judy.  Sherry.  Did


           16              Jerry Langan call?


           17                      MR. MCGOFF: Concerning North


           18              Scranton?


           19                      MS. FANUCCI: We talked about that


           20              last week, didn't we?


           21                      MR. MCGOFF: We did get a letter from


           22              him in the -- I think a number of letters


           23              actually.


           24                      MS. SUETTA: Because now the word is


           25              out that they don't want that Memorial on






            1              their grounds anymore, and they want the


            2              people to move it.  Do they know the expense


            3              of moving that memorial?  If he doesn't want


            4              it there let him smucking pay for it.


            5                      MR. MCGOFF: We had not heard that.


            6                      MS. SUETTA:  Don't laugh, Bill.  I


            7              didn't curse.  I can say muck.  Ask Barbara


            8              Walters, she said it on TV.  He wants that


            9              memorial out of there.  Do you know where --


           10                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  He didn't tell us


           11              that, Jean.


           12                      MS. SUETTA: Well, could you send the


           13              letter out to the person?


           14                      MS. FANUCCI: Yeah.


           15                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  To who?


           16                      MS. SUETTA: Jerry Langan.


           17                      MS. FANUCCI: Yes, we can do that.


           18                      MR. MCGOFF: I will personally call


           19              him and ask him what he intends to do with


           20              that memorial.


           21                      MS. SUETTA: All right.


           22                      MR. MCGOFF: Okay?


           23                      MS. SUETTA:  Give me your word?


           24                      MR. MCGOFF: I just did.


           25                      MS. SUETTA:  Now, I come down here,






            1              I was all riled since the shooting, you


            2              know, because I can't see no way, shape or


            3              form that that woman should have been shot.


            4                      MR. MCGOFF: Jean --


            5                      MS. SUETTA: I'm sorry.


            6                      MR. MCGOFF:  No, I asked that we


            7              please refrain from that.


            8                      MS. SUETTA: I'm sorry.


            9                      MR. MCGOFF: It's all speculation at


           10              this point, please.


           11                      MS. SUETTA: Oh, there is no


           12              speculation there, Bob.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF: Yes.


           14                      MS. SUETTA: The bullets went in her.


           15                      MR. MCGOFF: Please.


           16                      MS. SUETTA: I don't know what


           17              speculation is.  How much money did you win,


           18              Sherry?


           19                      MS. FANUCCI: None.


           20                      MS. SUETTA: No?  We went Sunday and


           21              went down.


           22                      MS. FANUCCI: Did you win?


           23                      MS. SUETTA: 5,000.


           24                      MS. FANUCCI:  No way?


           25                      MS. SUETTA: Yeah.






            1                      MS. FANUCCI: I'm going to start


            2              hanging out with you.


            3                      MS. SUETTA: You ain't got the money


            4              to hang out with me.


            5                      MS. FANUCCI: I totally agree.


            6                      MS. SUETTA: But you don't do the


            7              profession I do either.  Don't laugh.  You


            8              are one of my customers.


            9                      MR. MINORA:  I won't tell you.


           10                      MS. SUETTA: What are you looking


           11              for?  Don't laugh.  Have a good night.


           12                      MR. MCGOFF:  Thank you, Jean.


           13                      MS. SUETTA: I hope the investigation


           14              is good though.  Yeah.  See how I break you


           15              people up?


           16                      MR. MCGOFF:  It's certainly


           17              interesting.  Lee Morgan.


           18                      MR. MORGAN: Good evening, Council.


           19              This evening I would like to ask, even


           20              though they are not present here, the League


           21              of Women Voters in the next debate, I think


           22              it's important for the League of Women


           23              Voters to hand out a little notebook to all


           24              the participants in all of the upcoming


           25              debates.  I have a very unique opinion on






            1              what took place at the League of Women


            2              Voters because Mr. Miller was sitting next


            3              to me, and if you look at the Scranton Times


            4              newspaper you will see that they take a


            5              picture of me drinking my water talking to


            6              Mr. Miller.  Well, Mr. Miller was under the


            7              impression that Mr. Rogan had written down


            8              on paper the order of the questions and the


            9              answers and Mr. Miller leans over to me and


           10              says, "Lee, I think Mr. Rogan has from what


           11              I can see all of questions written down and


           12              his answers."


           13                      And I find that very troubling.


           14              Now, Mr. Miller was completely unnerved by


           15              this and I said to him, look at, Doug, you


           16              have been in council for two years or more


           17              as a junior council president, there isn't


           18              anything you don't know about anything


           19              that's occurred at council.  Relax, open


           20              your spring water, take a drink and let's


           21              move on.


           22                      So what I'm saying to the League of


           23              Women Voters is that I think there was a


           24              problem there and I'm comfortable with the


           25              problem, but I think that -- I really do






            1              think there was a problem there.


            2                      I'd like to move on to 5-G in


            3              regards to KOZ's.  I would really hope that


            4              this council would vote "no" to this


            5              legislation.  You know, we are all talking


            6              about blight in the city and everybody


            7              paying their fair share of taxes and to be


            8              honest with you, I mean, I have listened to


            9              the discussion, I was here when Mr. Namey


           10              came up and spoke about KOZ's a long time


           11              ago, I think Mark Walsh was the solicitor at


           12              that time, I think Mr. Murphy was the


           13              president of council.  You know, there is no


           14              real creation of jobs taking place with


           15              companies shifting from one to place to


           16              another.  It's going on all over the country


           17              and what they do is they use up their time


           18              and they move somewhere else.  They get a


           19              good deal and they move somewhere else.


           20                      We have got major foreign car


           21              manufacturers that have located to this


           22              country because states are actually building


           23              plants for them to build cars in, and what


           24              I'm saying is what benefit do the ordinary


           25              Scrantonians get from all of those KOZ's?  I






            1              mean, if you are going to come in here and


            2              you're going to build a $35 million project


            3              and you are going to tell them you can't


            4              afford to pay the taxes on that I have a


            5              problem with that considering that when you


            6              are an ordinary working person and you are


            7              paying $3,000 property tax on your home and


            8              you may only earn 12 or 15 thousand dollars


            9              a year before taxes and you are hard pressed


           10              to just pay your taxes, pay your heat, pay


           11              your utilities and upkeep your property and


           12              we are wondering why there is all this


           13              blight in the city?


           14                      And then we come and we look at how


           15              we are funding our schools and in my


           16              opinion, you know, we are going back to the


           17              same homeowners saying, well, this year we


           18              are going to have raise your property tax


           19              five percent for school tax, and next year


           20              we are going to do the same thing and so


           21              forth and so on, and all we are doing is we


           22              are perpetuating a cycle of continual blight


           23              throughout this community.


           24                      It's time for this council to say,


           25              look at, you have to pay your share.  We






            1              appreciate you coming here, okay, but if you


            2              can spend 60 million dollars to build a


            3              project then you should be able to pay the


            4              taxes on that or what we need to do is tell


            5              every citizen in this city that you don't


            6              have to pay your taxes.  I can it's a real


            7              problem here and they are walking away from


            8              multiple layers of taxation, and sooner or


            9              later you have to realize that if they want


           10              to move to Peckville, let them go, and then


           11              our residents can drive to Peckville, be


           12              employed there and bring the money home and


           13              not be sucked dry.  I mean, it's only


           14              reality that you can only go to the well so


           15              many times before there is nothing left, and


           16              there really is nothing left.


           17                      And the last comment I have is they


           18              are talking about redoing the Recovery Plan


           19              and I think that if we are going to redo a


           20              Recovery Plan we have to make a complete


           21              plan, we have to present it to the public,


           22              and it has to go to a vote again.  I think


           23              it's time after all these years because


           24              let's face it, okay, it's been alleged


           25              that -- thank you.






            1                      MR. MCGOFF: Stephanie Gawel.


            2                      MS. GAWEL: Good evening, Council.  I


            3              want to start with a couple of questions.  I


            4              know the one speaker that comes has asked


            5              about it, but I was by the building again


            6              the other day and it made me think to ask,


            7              what's going on with the North Scranton, you


            8              know, like the -- like did we figure out


            9              what the Goodwill did with the $5 million


           10              because they really only did the front


           11              windows as far as I can see.  I know the


           12              side windows are all still board and stuff.


           13                      MS. GATELLI: They didn't spend the


           14              five million.


           15                      MS. GAWEL: Weren't they given a


           16              grant of $5 million?


           17                      MS. GATELLI: Yeah, but they didn't


           18              spend it yet.


           19                      MS. GAWEL: They didn't spend it so


           20              it's just sitting there do nothing?


           21                      MS. GATELLI: Yes.


           22                      MS. GAWEL: I have another question,


           23              on the rental properties I know they are


           24              supposed to be registered and some people


           25              registered them years ago, so -- or, you






            1              know, got their permits or whatever, how


            2              come they don't get another bill in the mail


            3              like yearly?


            4                      MS. GATELLI: Because the program


            5              still is not functioning and I'm really not


            6              happy about it.


            7                      MS. GAWEL:  Okay.  All right.  I'm


            8              just asking, you know.


            9                      MS. GATELLI: They never got -- they


           10              were supposed to get a company hired to


           11              target all of the properties and that hasn't


           12              happened yet.  I hope it happens soon.


           13                      MS. GAWEL:  Okay.  Mrs. Fanucci, I


           14              was working on a plan, somebody took part of


           15              my idea, but not all, and once in a while we


           16              actually do agree with you.


           17                      MS. FANUCCI: Right.


           18                      MS. GAWEL:  I do agree with you, not


           19              everybody has computers in their homes, they


           20              just don't, some can't afford it, some don't


           21              want it, whatever, but I don't think we need


           22              the new library, I just don't, but I was


           23              thinking, and I'm not being sarcastic even


           24              though it might sound it, why not use some


           25              of the floors of the Southern Union building






            1              to put computer rooms in there and the --


            2                      MS. FANUCCI: The Southern Union has


            3              been purchased by someone.  It is privately


            4              owned now.  There are businesses in there.


            5                      MS. GAWEL: Oh, really?


            6                      MS. FANUCCI: Yes.  Southern Union is


            7              not empty, it is functioning and, you know,


            8              there is a new coffee shop in there, too,


            9              you should stop by, it's very nice.  But,


           10              you know, Southern Union is a functioning


           11              building now privately owned.


           12                      MS. GAWEL:  All right.  But, you


           13              know, to find a place like they said where


           14              Steve and Barns or whatever it was, you


           15              know, and just set up computers for people


           16              to use, you know, because it's more, you


           17              know, really people don't use the books that


           18              much anymore and stuff, everybody -- a lot


           19              of people use the computers if they could


           20              so, all right.


           21                      Mr. Minora, I haven't asked you in a


           22              couple of weeks, how is Kenny McDowell


           23              doing?


           24                      MR. MINORA: As soon as I get a


           25              report or an order from the judge I'll let






            1              you know.


            2                      MS. GAWEL:  Okay.  Just didn't want


            3              to let it go.  All right, I'm still hearing


            4              rumors that some of the firehouses may be


            5              closing, could somebody double check on that


            6              now that the election is basically over?


            7              Okay.  I'd like to mention that I got my


            8              first weekend edition of the Times Leader,


            9              it was very a nice paper.  It was very


           10              enjoyable.  People might actually want to


           11              start getting it in the mail.  You can get


           12              it on Saturdays in the mail.


           13                      MS. FANUCCI:  But now there is going


           14              to be no Scranton edition; right?


           15                      MS. GAWEL:  It's the Scranton


           16              edition.


           17                      MS. FANUCCI: Yeah, but I thought


           18              they were stopping that.


           19                      MS. GAWEL:  It's for Saturday only.


           20                      MS. FANUCCI: Oh, all right.


           21                      MS. GAWEL: It's a nice, nice


           22              edition.  It has the Parade section in it


           23              that the Times just decided we didn't need


           24              that I actually enjoyed and stuff, so I was


           25              wondering, you know, like we are always






            1              talking about the economic situations and


            2              the cost of running the offices and this


            3              that and the other thing, has anybody


            4              thought of doing like a split schedule of


            5              like 8 to 6 so that the people like me who


            6              work from five in the morning until


            7              sometimes 5:00 at night can get into the


            8              buildings to do the business that we do?


            9              You know, in other words, have a 6 to 8 and


           10              have it overlapped a little bit where there


           11              wouldn't be overtime, but it would be --


           12                      MS. FANUCCI: I'm not sure with the


           13              union contracts we can do that, but we can


           14              check into it.


           15                      MS. GAWEL:  Because it's just a


           16              thought.  It gives people more of an


           17              opportunity to take care of business that


           18              they don't have an opportunity to do during


           19              the week.


           20                      Also, Mrs. Gatelli, you seem to have


           21              a pretty good rapport with PennDOT, could


           22              you see --


           23                      MS. GATELLI: For the pedestrian


           24              walkways I do.


           25                      MS. GAWEL:  Well, I know I have






            1              asked with this once before, but again, I


            2              wanted to bring it up.  Again, the arrows on


            3              the streets at Mulberry and Wyoming where


            4              you have the one-lane goes left and the one


            5              goes center and then the other one goes


            6              straight or right, and like if it's not


            7              marked, and it's not these days, you know,


            8              there is a lot of chance of something


            9              happening.


           10                      Also, Sherry, just real quick, who


           11              kind of backtracks on like that place that's


           12              supposed to have 30 jobs over the next three


           13              years?  Who keeps an eye on making sure they


           14              keep up with that?


           15                      MS. FANUCCI: Well, the job


           16              requirement actually for that business is


           17              only probably two, I believe, I'd have to


           18              look it up, but there is only two so they


           19              are creating a lot more jobs than they are


           20              asked, but the state actually checks on it


           21              to make sure that the job creation is done


           22              or they actually get penalized and have to


           23              pay the money back.


           24                      MS. GAWEL: Okay.  All right.  I


           25              think it's for tonight.






            1                      MS. GATELLI:  Mulberry and Wyoming?


            2                      MS. GAWEL:  Yeah.  Thank you.  Have


            3              a nice evening.


            4                      MR. MCGOFF: Brett McCloe.


            5                      MR. MCCLOE: Good evening.  My name


            6              is Bret McCloe.  It's kind of hard to


            7              disassociate from the events of the weekend,


            8              so I'm probably going to just cut out a lot


            9              of it and move on to a different subject,


           10              but I just want to read something that I did


           11              write, something really small: Her name, her


           12              life I will not mention for I am no stranger


           13              to her condition.  Confusion and fear that


           14              clouds the mind cause action and death to


           15              coincide.


           16                      I just want to -- I hope that the


           17              mayor and this council can find ways to make


           18              funds available to equip and to train our


           19              police force with nonlethal weaponry and


           20              nonlethal solutions for the people and for


           21              the police.  This would be one piece of


           22              legislation that I'm quite sure it deserves


           23              a rubber stamp.


           24                      I'm going to move onto something


           25              else since I'm not going to go through the






            1              rest of this, but as for the library, I


            2              walked into the South Side bank down there


            3              and I don't see this that a brand new


            4              library needs to be built.  Perhaps that


            5              would be better suited as a branch.  You


            6              could probably put a lot of books in just


            7              the existing building, and it looks like


            8              there's a big -- there is a second floor,


            9              but you can bring that in a little bit and


           10              actually put more books in there and leave


           11              it as a branch that would probably only cost


           12              maybe a million dollars just to redo it as a


           13              South Side branch.


           14                      If you truly, truly wanted another


           15              library, who owns the building at 201 of


           16              Lackawanna Avenue where the McCann building


           17              -- the McCann people used to be in?  Who


           18              owns that building?


           19                      MS. GATELLI: I think the chamber.


           20                      MR. MCCLOE:  The chamber?


           21                      MS. FANUCCI: Yes, the Scranton


           22              Enterprise, it's the Chamber.  It's the


           23              incubator of the building.


           24                      MR. MCCLOE: I mean, what better


           25              place for a new Scranton library than a






            1              previous existing building?  If there was


            2              anyway you could talk to the Scranton


            3              Chamber of Commerce and have these


            4              businesses and ask them, "Are you okay?  Are


            5              you ready to go into our previous existing


            6              buildings?"


            7                      MS. FANUCCI: It's already been


            8              rented and it's already filled I believe.


            9                      MR. MCCLOE:  With?


           10                      MS. FANUCCI:  Yeah, there is company


           11              who was existing in the business center that


           12              expanded and I believe they took most of


           13              that area.


           14                      MR. MCCLOE: And they can't find


           15              another place?  They can't even build


           16              another building?


           17                      MS. FANUCCI:  Who can't?


           18                      MR. MCCLOE:  The business that is in


           19              there.


           20                      MS. FANUCCI: Well, I think that


           21              eventually they probably will, but the whole


           22              idea is to get them until they grow to a


           23              certain level and then they go to a new


           24              area.


           25                      MR. MCCLOE: It was just a thought.






            1                      MS. FANUCCI: Yeah, it's a good one.


            2                      MR. MCCLOE: It was just thought.


            3              That would have been really nice place if


            4              you were going to have another Scranton


            5              public library it would be right down there.


            6              You would be able to, as Mr. Ozzie Quinn


            7              said, slap a hundred computers somewhere in


            8              there and call it an Ibrary, you know, with


            9              all of the Internet hookups and you could


           10              put hundreds of computers in there and the


           11              books and everything else.


           12                      Perhaps move some of these


           13              businesses over to -- make a deal with the


           14              Dioceses.  Let's fill up Bishop Hannon or


           15              something, you know, just to use the


           16              existing buildings that we do have instead


           17              of $16 million for something in South Side


           18              that may not be needed there.  It's not


           19              convenient, I don't believe.  I think we


           20              just need to stop focusing on form and start


           21              focusing on function and try to resolve and


           22              reorganize our city's assets instead of keep


           23              on building new ones.  Thank you.  That's


           24              all I have.  Thank you.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF: Ron Ellman.






            1                      MR. ELLMAN: Ronnie Ellman.  Hi,


            2              Council.  It's embarrassing for me to get up


            3              here and flap my gums after so many


            4              intelligent people come up here.  I have my


            5              usual nonsense I guess.  I was down in


            6              Hazelton --


            7                      MS. GATELLI: Don't down yourself


            8              like that.


            9                      MR. ELLMAN: I beat myself up.


           10                      MS. GATELLI: We enjoy you.


           11                      MR. ELLMAN:  I went down to Hazleton


           12              Friday, I am thinking about buying a new car


           13              and I don't know I talked to four or five or


           14              six different people and without me bringing


           15              it up every single one of them brought the


           16              idea for the crime down here was so bad, you


           17              know.  It's just from what I heard it's just


           18              terrible.  I guess we are more fortunate


           19              than a lot of us think up here in town, you


           20              know, we don't have open crime on the street


           21              like they do down there.  Nobody blamed the


           22              mayor or the police or, you know, nobody put


           23              a blame on it, they were just talking about


           24              it that the streets just aren't save


           25              anymore.






            1                      After last week I thought maybe


            2              Mr. Doherty would come and confront me after


            3              all of these terrible things I said about


            4              him.  I guess he is just -- I don't know, it


            5              looked like the Boy Wonder would want to


            6              protect his Honor and say something about


            7              his honor when somebody keeps attacking him


            8              week after week.  I guess I could attack the


            9              newspaper because I don't like them either.


           10                      MS. GATELLI: I'll second that.


           11                      MR. ELLMAN: All this newspaper in


           12              this town is good for is wrapping your


           13              garbage with.  I don't know, they're a


           14              purveyor and an advocator of lies and


           15              distortions from this election which I'm not


           16              the only one.  I have just heard some


           17              intelligent business people have remarked


           18              that was the last worst election that this


           19              city ever had because of Mr. Doherty's


           20              actions and accusations.


           21                      I sat here and I stood her a couple


           22              of weeks ago and said he is running scared


           23              and only somebody like that would bring it


           24              to such a low point.  This is the worst


           25              election this city has ever had, you know,






            1              from what business people at the Taurus Club


            2              who I talked to them, you know.  My brief


            3              conversations.


            4                      I don't know.  And about the KOZ's,


            5              I think too many people forgot about that --


            6              I don't remember what it was, it must be


            7              20 years ago they built the Volkswagon


            8              plant, they stayed nine years and


            9              disappeared.  My father had two motels in


           10              Corinth, Mississippi, in the 60's and the


           11              city built six or eight huge plants to bring


           12              people from Massachusetts down there, the


           13              same thing happened, they stayed six,


           14              eight years and all, you know, left after --


           15              when it got near time for the taxes.


           16                      The KOZ's, I have said it, we need


           17              taxpayers.  Who cares if they go three miles


           18              down the road, let somebody else support


           19              them.  We need taxpayers, like Andy said, if


           20              they don't want to pay taxes we just don't


           21              need them no more.  A fourth of the city


           22              doesn't pay taxes.  That's a lot of -- there


           23              is 40,000 -- Mr. Sunday told me there was


           24              about 40,000 taxpayers, you know, sent out


           25              ever year.  We are just in terrible shape






            1              financially and, you know, tell me how Daron


            2              Industries, how are they --  you know, they


            3              don't have 40 people working there, there is


            4              two or three cars in the parking lot unless


            5              they got some kind of superplan for bringing


            6              the people in from Ashley every day, there


            7              must be 40 of them in one car.  They haven't


            8              hired nobody.  You can go to the single tax


            9              office and find out who was hired and who


           10              hasn't.  There is no number like you are


           11              thinking.


           12                      That property that I complained


           13              about on Seventh and Lackawanna, ten years


           14              -- I think it's eight years or 13 years


           15              whatever it is, it's a -- like I said, the


           16              best location in the city for a business and


           17              then they'd have to pay taxes.  Let me just


           18              finish, those 150 houses out on Keyser


           19              Avenue how in the world did they help this


           20              city any?  We have to build a school there


           21              is so many kids going out there.  The KOZ,


           22              you know, it's for rich people.  Let Austin


           23              Burke, you know, it's time that -- he's a


           24              dinosaur for crying out loud, let him quit


           25              staying and spending his day out there at






            1              the country club playing golf and get out


            2              here and find out what the world is really


            3              like and maybe he wouldn't want a KOZ, three


            4              or 400 properties around town.  Thank you.


            5                      MS. GATELLI: Thank you, Mr. Ellman.


            6              Mr. Dobson.


            7                      MR. DOBSON: We are going to have to


            8              hold an Ozzie look alike contest.  Okay, I


            9              would like to have a little tiny speech


           10              prepared here and it really would require


           11              coordination with the state and federal


           12              government, but with this economic stimulus


           13              and so forth it's important that we not


           14              spend this money on trinkets, and to


           15              institute a few trinkets.


           16                      In this town, state and country we


           17              need a return to manufacturing.  Trade pacts


           18              are ill-conceived, lopsided and cause the


           19              decay of our employment prospects, and


           20              everyone complains about GM, in fact, the


           21              type of government franchise is common in


           22              favor of the trade nation status countries


           23              along with currency manipulation and several


           24              other things.


           25                      I have stressed industrial parks to






            1              little or no avail, energy is our achilles


            2              heel and recently an ethanol plant was


            3              discouraged before anyone heard the real


            4              discussion.  Rail service was available,


            5              could have eliminated truck traffic, wood


            6              shavings instead of food substances, and to


            7              my knowledge no KOZ was really requested,


            8              although, it could have been in the future


            9              and certainly could have been refused.


           10                      Please begin to survey our


           11              brownfields and put the return to tax


           12              producing job sustaining and product


           13              producing companies and not just recycled


           14              paper.


           15                      Now, here is a little extra, for


           16              instance, we heard a clinic, another clinic.


           17              Well, these satellite clinics are not


           18              originally supposed to be tax exempt, but


           19              they don't have to fix anybody up that shows


           20              up at their door.  They could demand payment


           21              upon production of the goods and services.


           22              A hospital, if I go in with a gunshot wound


           23              to a heart attack if they don't fix me up


           24              the right way even though I'm not a paying


           25              customer I could sue them.  Satellite






            1              clinics don't have to touch me.


            2                      Some of these local nonprofits in


            3              relation to this library proposal, I have


            4              noticed by going down the library that it's


            5              nearly impossible at times, not every day


            6              because somebody mentioned yesterday that


            7              they can get on at any time until 8:00, but


            8              you can't get near a computer, it's all


            9              college-age kids down at the Albright


           10              library in the afternoons especially, so why


           11              at 40 grand a year why these colleges can't


           12              provide better service for these students.


           13              I have to seriously criticize them.


           14                      I mean, like the shootings last year


           15              at these colleges it's ridiculous.  Why


           16              can't they provide a police force and a


           17              security force and computers and so forth?


           18              It's really ashame that, you know, somebody


           19              from Lackawanna County that's paying taxes


           20              might not be able to get on a computer and a


           21              foreign exchange student can come here.


           22              What does that have to do with somebody that


           23              paid library taxes in Scranton other than


           24              denies them access, and it's really ashame


           25              that these local colleges.  I mean, once






            1              this issue with the medical college is I


            2              think really the Lackawanna Junior College


            3              should provide some computers for their


            4              kids.  It's ashame.


            5                      And another thing on these foreign


            6              trade pacts, pollution.  25 percent of the


            7              air pollution in California comes imported


            8              from China, 25 percent.  You have to pay for


            9              a catalytic convertor on your car, do you


           10              not, and the emission system and everything


           11              else, well, they could just spew it over and


           12              put you out after a job with cheap goods.


           13              It's really ashame, so we really do need to


           14              get away from paper industries and all they


           15              generate is paper and office space generates


           16              recycling of paper as far as I'm concerned.


           17              Have a god night.  Thank you.


           18                      MR. MCGOFF: Bill Jackowitz.


           19                      MR. JACKOWITZ: Bill Jackowitz, South


           20              Scranton resident, member of the Scranton


           21              Taxpayers' Association.  2010 we will have


           22              three new council members, maybe four.  My


           23              hope is that a new council will also mean


           24              new ideas, working together, including the


           25              residents, not excluding the residents.






            1              Open caucuses for a public to attend not


            2              held in caged tiny offices in the back of


            3              the council office also televised so that


            4              the residents at home can also be informed.


            5                      Scranton was must come up with ways


            6              to raise revenue not taxes.  Taxes must be


            7              reduced.  Wage tax, mercantile tax, property


            8              tax, all of these taxes have been and will


            9              continue to be the downfall of Scranton.


           10              Just ask any person who has moved from


           11              Scranton to the surrounding community why


           12              they moved or ask a small business owner why


           13              they relocated or went out of business.


           14              Always the same answer:  Taxes too high.


           15                      Just look at the past history,


           16              population decline, business failures,


           17              downtown vacant buildings and store fronts.


           18              A $16 million library is not the answer.


           19              Yes, not everybody can afford a computer in


           20              Scranton.  Why?  Could it be that


           21              unemployment is at 8.6 percent?  Minimum


           22              family income the lowest in the state.  Per


           23              capita income the lowest in the state.  No


           24              job creation in the city that pays family


           25              sustaining wages of 3.4 percent wage tax,






            1              distressed city status and Recovery Plan


            2              that does not recover anything except more


            3              debt, new hires and pay raises for the


            4              selected few.


            5                      These are issues, not a knew library


            6              in south Scranton.  Many years ago South


            7              Scranton had a library on Pittston Avenue,


            8              Scranton population over 100,000 then.


            9                      Single tax office, the law has been


           10              violated is continuing to be broken.  Single


           11              Tax Law 1929.  What are you going to do


           12              about that?  As a taxpayer, I know as much


           13              about what happened at the single tax office


           14              today as I did 14 months ago.  Nothing.


           15              Whatever happened to fair, honest and open


           16              government?  Why has Kenny McDowell not been


           17              required to answer any questions and give


           18              explanations about his public service as tax


           19              collector?


           20                      I have asked these questions for


           21              weeks.  No answers.  If you are not going to


           22              answer at least give me the courtesy to tell


           23              me why you will not answer the questions


           24              during your motions.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF: Excuse me, you did get






            1              an answer on why Mr. McDowell is not here,


            2              it was just given more before.  It's still


            3              in the courts.


            4                      MR. JACKOWITZ:  Exactly, but I'm not


            5              talking about that, I'm talking about why


            6              the district attorney has not initiated an


            7              investigation, Mr. McGoff, into the crimes


            8              that were broken.


            9                      MS. GATELLI:  He answered that, too.


           10                      MR. JACKOWITZ:  There's a violation


           11              of the Single Tax Office 1929.


           12                      MS. GATELLI: Mr. Jackowitz, do you


           13              have a copy of the letter that we got from


           14              Jarbola?


           15                      MR. JACKOWITZ: I do not have a copy


           16              of it, no, I do not.


           17                      MS. GATELLI: We will give you a copy


           18              of that because he did answer it.


           19                      MR. JACKOWITZ: Okay.


           20                      MS. GATELLI: Mrs. Garvey will have


           21              it.


           22                      MR. FANUCCI: And actually Attorney


           23              Minora could you answer about the law in 19


           24              -- you know, it's claiming 00.


           25                      MR. JACKOWITZ: The laws have been






            1              violated.


            2                      MS. FANUCCI: He is saying the law


            3              has been violated, can you explain.


            4                      MR. JACKOWITZ: Single Tax Law of


            5              1929 and that's not a year that's the number


            6              of the law 1929.


            7                      MS. FANUCCI: Right.


            8                      MR. JACKOWITZ: It's made publicized


            9              and I've been informed by the Federal Bureau


           10              of investigation they have informed me that


           11              the law has been broken and somebody should


           12              do something about it.


           13                      MS. GATELLI: Do you have a copy of


           14              that, Bill?


           15                      MR. JACKOWITZ: I could probably get


           16              one if I really need to, but it's not my


           17              job.  I'm not the district attorney.


           18                      MS. FANUCCI:  Yeah, well, neither


           19              are we, Bill.


           20                      MR. MCGOFF: Please.


           21                      MR. JACKOWITZ: I understand that.  I


           22              understand that.  I hope my time is not


           23              being --


           24                      MR. MCGOFF:  Please continue, I'm


           25              sorry.






            1                      MR. JACKOWITZ:  No problem.  Okay,


            2              voting "yes" all of the time is not the


            3              answer.  Voting "no" all of the time is not


            4              the answer either.  Each vote should be


            5              thoroughly researched and discussed before


            6              you cast that vote.  Remember, every vote


            7              that is it taken by city council effects


            8              every citizen of Scranton.  One person,


            9              Mayor Doherty, is not always correct.  Many


           10              of his ideas have been failures such as


           11              borrowing to balance budgets, glass to send


           12              us all on sand or icy snow covered roads,


           13              downtown improvements, Recovery Plan that


           14              has not been implemented, selling off city


           15              assets, arbitrations and court cases,


           16              5.5 million into the budget without having


           17              the money available, ECTV, and most


           18              importantly, his reluctance to appear and


           19              speak to the residents of Scranton.  He


           20              prefers to speak with the Chamber of


           21              Commerce.


           22                      Tonight's vote on the office park


           23              KOZ's, can the residents afford to continue


           24              to give away property to developers and


           25              business owners who are not willing to pay






            1              for the services that will be provided to


            2              them by the Scranton taxpayers?  25 percent


            3              of the population in Scranton do not pay


            4              taxes currently.


            5                      Job creation is great.  New business


            6              in the city is also great, but is it


            7              progress if they are not willing to pay


            8              their fair share.  Remember -- may I finish?


            9                      MR. MCGOFF: Um-hum.


           10                      MR. JACKOWITZ:  Remember, if you


           11              want to hear your band you must pay the


           12              band.  KOZ's have not helped the City of


           13              Scranton progress in the past.  If KOZ have


           14              helped the city we would no longer be in the


           15              distressed city status.  I am not against


           16              progress, I am against give-aways.  You milk


           17              cows, not taxpayers.  City revenue is based


           18              upon tax revenue.  If you pay no taxes, what


           19              revenue does the city have?  What are we


           20              promoting?  Move to Scranton and pay no


           21              taxes?  Is that really progress?  If they


           22              want to move to Olyphant or Peckville, let


           23              them go.  We will still get the wage tax


           24              because Scranton residents will be working


           25              there.






            1                      MR. MCGOFF: Marie Schumacher.


            2                      MS. SCHUMACHER: Good evening.  Marie


            3              Schumacher, resident and member of the


            4              Taxpayers' Association.  I was happy to read


            5              that Rip Van Pennsylvania Economy League has


            6              finally awakened.  I believe this will be


            7              PEL's third attempt at a Recovery Plan.  I


            8              pray Recovery plans work as does baseball,


            9              three strikes and you are out.


           10                      Now my favorite topic of late, the


           11              $600,000 rent owed pie BRT Ice to the City


           12              of Scranton.  Solicitor Minora was kind


           13              enough last week to point out that I have


           14              the incorrect agreement.  I now have the


           15              correct agreement of which I will read the


           16              section on payment of rent that includes the


           17              three conditions that must be met:


           18                      "Lessee shall $600,000 to lessor as


           19              rent for the lease premises.  Lessee shall


           20              make minimum annual payments every 12 months


           21              begin beginning on the date hereof in the


           22              amount of no less than $1 provided, however,


           23              that any unpaid rent under this paragraph


           24              shall be paid by the lessee to lessor in a


           25              lump sum within 30 days following the






            1              occurrence of the last to occur of:  One,


            2              vacation of the lease premises by DPW in


            3              total as on the date provided for hereunder;


            4              or, two, certification of the lease land by


            5              the City of Scranton Planning Commission as


            6              within a redevelopment area as that term is


            7              defined by law, approved by redevelopment


            8              contract for the lease land including


            9              transfer of the lease land to the lessee by


           10              the SRA and approval of said redevelopment


           11              contract by city council."


           12                      Clearly DPW has vacated the


           13              premises.  City planner, Don King, reports


           14              that the certification has occurred leaving


           15              only the final conditions.  So I return to


           16              my former question, three years ago the SRA


           17              sent the agreement to council for approval


           18              and it was never placed on the agenda, so


           19              why hasn't council requested the SRA to


           20              draft an acceptable agreement so the city


           21              may see the $600,000 rent where ordered, we


           22              are owed.


           23                      Finally, I would like to speak to


           24              the KOZ extension, which I hope will be


           25              rejected.  First, if this development is to






            1              be the first spinoff of benefit to the


            2              Community Medical College's host community,


            3              any financial benefit will be negated if all


            4              taxes are suspended for seven years.  The


            5              benefit to a medical complex such as is


            6              being advertised, but not put into a


            7              contract I might add, is the proximity to


            8              the medical college provided by the Scranton


            9              host community, that alone should be


           10              sufficient.


           11                      Second, the Scranton Plan, the


           12              industrial marketing arm of the Greater


           13              Scranton Chamber of Commerce, provides a


           14              chart on it's website illustrating annual


           15              savings for various scenarios for KOZ's.


           16              The range of annual savings for the closest


           17              scenario, a pharmaceutical company with


           18              20,000 square feet and 500 employees ranges


           19              from 2 million to $2.4 million.


           20                      Now, if the Mt. Pleasant provides


           21              the advertised 1,000 jobs that is five times


           22              the savings or $10 million to $12 million of


           23              state and local taxes that are avoided each


           24              year for seven years.


           25                      This council failed to request






            1              legislative support for the tax exempt


            2              property municipal fund which would have


            3              provided funds to help offset the loss of


            4              property taxes from the 25 percent of


            5              properties that are permanently off the tax


            6              roles.  Coincidentally, today's


            7              Times-Tribune had an article about Benco


            8              Dental opening a headquarters and


            9              distribution center in Center Point Park in


           10              Jenkins Township which is in Luzerne County.


           11              The Center Point Park Center is a local


           12              economic redevelopment tax assist or LERTA.


           13              A LERTA that may exempt a tax exemption up


           14              to the actual cost of the development.  This


           15              type of incentive would be far more


           16              appropriate for the Mount Pleasant Park as


           17              it would provide an incentive without


           18              burdening the existing property and business


           19              owners by forcing them to subsidize Mount


           20              Pleasant for seven years.  May I finish?


           21                      MR. MCGOFF: Please.


           22                      MS. SCHUMACHER: As we have been


           23              told, the money must come from somewhere and


           24              that somewhere turns out to be us taxpayers.


           25              Vote this KOZ extension down.  Borrowing via






            1              bonds will also be expensive if it's even


            2              possible, so we must get all of the revenue


            3              we can and save every place we can.


            4                      And I will end with one announcement


            5              that the food down at the Greek festival at


            6              the church one block away is fantastic.


            7              Thank you.


            8                      MR. MCGOFF: Any other speakers?


            9                      MR. UNGVARSKY:  Good evening, city


           10              council.  I'm Tom Ungvarsky.  Over the last


           11              few years speakers at this podium have asked


           12              for Mr. Austin Burke to come here and


           13              explain just what the Chamber of Commerce


           14              does do for this city.  He has never


           15              appeared.  A few months ago when he wanted a


           16              KOZ he did come into the office of the City


           17              Council, but he could not appear here.  He


           18              gave the council his plan for Mount


           19              Pleasant.  However, unlike Mr. Boscov, who


           20              was gentleman enough to come here and


           21              explain what he had in store or what he


           22              wanted from the city, Mr. Burke would not


           23              come out here.


           24                      MR. MCGOFF: Excuse me, that was by


           25              our decision, not his.






            1                      MR. UNGVARSKY:  Well, excuse me,


            2              whether it's by your decision or his he


            3              still should have been man enough to come


            4              out here and explain to the people what he


            5              wanted to do and what it was going to cost


            6              us.  That KOZ up there has already got


            7              several million dollars to put in the


            8              structural plan of it.  They have gone far


            9              enough of whether you vote that or not, they


           10              are going to go ahead with that project.


           11                      Should that project go through as a


           12              KOZ there will be no property taxes


           13              collected for another ten years.  There will


           14              be no mercantile tax collected there for


           15              another ten years and there will be no wage


           16              tax collected there for another ten years.


           17              That means people like myself who for the


           18              last 30 years have been paying our property


           19              taxes and our fees will have to bite the


           20              bullet and pay even more.  I hope this city


           21              council comes to it's senses and votes it


           22              down.


           23                      MS. ROYCE: Hi.  Good evening.


           24              Bernadette Royce, West Scranton.  I'm going


           25              to keep this very short and very sweet this






            1              evening.  Obviously, couldn't have been here


            2              last week, I had work.  My red and white


            3              firehouse sign is still present.  It will


            4              stay there despite the election results and


            5              despite any cheerleaders of the mayor who


            6              want to get here and throw any temper


            7              tantrums which they do every so often


            8              complaining that I need to take my red and


            9              white firehouse sign.  My sign will stay


           10              there until I am sure that the mayor will


           11              not cut the firehouses by 50 percent in this


           12              city like he has pledged to do.


           13                      I believe last week, I was able to


           14              watch the city council meeting, that


           15              Mrs. Evans said that she has yet to receive


           16              and that the council has yet to receive the


           17              mayor's letter stating what his plans are.


           18              It has been two months since the mayor


           19              stated in the Scranton Times that he has no


           20              plans to close the fire companies.  It's


           21              been two months in his office and it's just


           22              down the hall.  Does it really take him two


           23              months time to walk a letter down the hall?


           24              I don't think it should take him two months


           25              time to respond to the city council.  There






            1              is also this thing called e-mail if he


            2              hasn't heard it.  He talks about wanting to


            3              move forward in the city, well, he can send


            4              an e-mail then if he really wants to move


            5              forward.


            6                      So I think we all know that he will


            7              close the firehouses when given the


            8              opportunity, so my red and white sign will


            9              stay there and the citizens of Scranton need


           10              to be aware that the mayor needs to be


           11              stopped in his plans.  Thank you very much


           12              and have a good evening.


           13                      MR. SLEDENZSKI: Hi, Judes?


           14                      MS. GATELLI: Hi, Chrissy.


           15                      MR. SLEDENZSKI: Hello, Bill.


           16                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Hi, Chris.


           17                      MR. SLEDENZSKI: Up, Bill?


           18                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Pick it up, Buddy.


           19                      MR. SLEDENZSKI: Judy, I had enough


           20              of it this week.  No more Scranton, Judy.


           21              I'm going back to West Scranton.  I'm going


           22              back home, baby.


           23                      MS. GATELLI: All right.


           24                      MR. SLEDENZSKI: I'm going back home,


           25              Billy.






            1                      MS. DOMINICK:  Donna Dominick,


            2              homeowner, taxpayer.  I just have one


            3              question, you can answer about it, Bill.  Is


            4              there any particular reason why all patrol


            5              cars aren't equipped with a cage for


            6              transport?


            7                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Is there a


            8              particular reason?


            9                      MS. DOMINICK: Yeah.


           10                      MR. COURTRIGHT: No.  There is many


           11              that don't have them.


           12                      MS. DOMINICK: Right.


           13                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Why --


           14                      MR. DOMINICK: It just seems that if


           15              like Car 18 is tied up or other cars are on


           16              call and then the guy that doesn't have a


           17              cage is transporting has to wait and see if


           18              somebody is available to do transport for


           19              him, it would just seem like -- you would


           20              think to make it easier across the board


           21              they would all have a cage.


           22                      MR. COURTRIGHT: You know, Donna, I


           23              addressed that with Captain Graziano and he


           24              had given me a sheet several months ago of


           25              which cars had them and which ones didn't






            1              and he was trying to more cars because it's


            2              a problem, you are right.


            3                      MS. DOMINICK: It is.


            4                      MR. COURTRIGHT: We never have


            5              transport vehicles.


            6                      MS. DOMINICK:  Right.


            7                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I'll talk to Captain


            8              Graziano again and see where we stand.


            9                      MR. DOMINICK: Okay.  Thanks, Bill.


           10                      MR COURTRIGHT: All right?  You are


           11              welcome.


           12                      MS. DOMINICK: Good night.


           13                      MR. ANCHERANI: Good evening.  Nelson


           14              Ancherani, First Amendment Rights.  It looks


           15              look the Recovery Plan was brought to the


           16              forefront again by the slimes.  The state is


           17              working on the plan now.  Wow.  We can


           18              really have faith in this one.  Fred


           19              Reading, PA Economy League, the head,


           20              finally got his head out of the sand and is


           21              getting ready to write another Recovery Plan


           22              to replace the one that was violated from


           23              the beginning by this administration and


           24              which expired in 2005.


           25                      PEL never did anything about the






            1              violations except bury their heads in the


            2              sand.  The Courts proved it.  It expired in


            3              2006 when the Courts gave the unions raises


            4              for six, seven and eight.


            5                      A quote from the slimes:  "The state


            6              will also evaluate revenue streams to target


            7              more ways to generate funds."


            8                      Watch out, Scranton taxpayers.


            9              Remember when a Mr. Cross from PEL along


           10              with the begging bankers were here at the


           11              end of 2006 and said that the city was in


           12              dire financial straights if we didn't pass


           13              the $44 million loan and enact a 25 percent


           14              tax increase.  We got the 25 percent tax


           15              increase and Ms. Fanucci and Mrs. Gatelli


           16              and Mr. McGoff passed it.  Looks like my


           17              predictions are going to come true again.


           18                      Another quote from the slimes:


           19              "When Mr. Doherty ran for mayor the first


           20              time, among his core promises was to repair


           21              city finances, but the same fundamental


           22              problem exists, Scranton spends more money


           23              than it takes in.  The structural deficit is


           24              around $6 million according to Mr. Renda."


           25                      The truth finally be told, that has






            1              been said for years.  BS, reckless BS,


            2              borrow, spend.  Woah, bend over taxpayers


            3              here comes the next 25 percent tax increase


            4              Freddy and the banking beggers wanted for


            5              2007.  How else would they plug that


            6              deficit?  Add five million to that money we


            7              don't get from the tax office and we have an


            8              11 million deficit.  Maybe it will be a


            9              higher tax increase or millions more in


           10              borrowing.  Our grandkids better have good


           11              paying jobs to be able to pay back that


           12              approximately 300 million in long-term debt.


           13                      Another quote from the slimes: "The


           14              budget meanwhile swelled by 20.4 million


           15              between 2002 and 2009."


           16                      That was for 2009, but they didn't


           17              say in 2008 the budget swelled by


           18              26.4 million and the total of the increases


           19              of all of the budgets from 2002 through 2009


           20              is 108 million.  108 million more excess


           21              over the budgets themselves.


           22                      Another quote from the slimes:


           23              "Fueled by a debt service that increased


           24              158 percent," 158 percent.  And now has a


           25              long-term debt of approximately 300 million.






            1                      Another quote from the slimes:


            2              "Health insurance costs have spiked


            3              47 percent."


            4                      It spiked because the mayor fired


            5              the health care consultant who saved the


            6              city $5 million by straightening out of the


            7              system she inherited.  A hundred city


            8              employees were forced out of their jobs at


            9              the end of 2002 with full benefits and 100


           10              people that replaced them are receiving full


           11              benefits.


           12                      Another quote from the slimes:


           13              "Personnel costs, including health care,


           14              still make up the majority of expenses, but


           15              not as much as they once did.  Spending on


           16              salaries is up 6.7 percent."


           17                      The slimes forgot to say that the


           18              mayor spent 20 million on cumulative raises


           19              in new hires for favorites since 2003.


           20              That's where the 6.7 percent increase is,


           21              not the police or fire.


           22                      Another quote from the slimes: "The


           23              city is not a business."


           24                      The mayor said that.  We said that


           25              since he said it wasn't a business






            1              approximately eight years ago.  We said it's


            2              a service provider.  Proof?  Police to


            3              protect and serve.


            4                      By the way, anyone care to guess


            5              which firehouses or companies will be closed


            6              now that May 19 is past?  I can hear the


            7              griping now, "Not my firehouse."


            8                      Thank you.


            9                      MR. MCGOFF: Mrs. Gatelli?


           10                      MS. GATELLI:  I just have a few


           11              things.  We did get an answer to my request


           12              last week concerning the hiring of a


           13              controller in the Single Tax Office.  The


           14              answer was that they are working on it with


           15              the three taxing bodies concerning the


           16              hiring of a controller.  I don't think we


           17              got an answer to the solicitor -- the


           18              question about having their own solicitor.


           19                      MS. GARVEY: No.


           20                      MS. GATELLI: The rental registration


           21              program, if Kay could please send a letter


           22              to the mayor concerning hiring someone to do


           23              the registrations I would appreciate that,


           24              and also to paint the arrows in the turning


           25              lanes on Mulberry and Wyoming.






            1                      Also, I was curious, I read an


            2              article and I think it was in the Electric


            3              City, they were advertising the KOZ's in


            4              Keyser Terrace, and I noticed that in the


            5              advertisement they have that the KOZ was in


            6              effect until 2014, so I was wondering why


            7              that was extended.  I thought they were all


            8              up in 2010, so if you could please find out


            9              when all of the KOZ's are being terminated.


           10                      MS. FANUCCI: Judy, what was the


           11              date?


           12                      MS. GATELLI: It said 2014.


           13                      MS. FANUCCI: Was it a KOEZ?  Because


           14              I think were longer.


           15                      MS. GATELLI: I'm not sure.  It's for


           16              housing.  Keyser Terrace is all housing.


           17                      MS. FANUCCI: Yeah, I think it's


           18              KOEZ.


           19                      MS. GATELLI:  Well, then maybe the


           20              ad was wrong, but if you could find that


           21              out --


           22                      MS. FANUCCI: That still be would


           23              four years.


           24                      MS. GATELLI: -- I would appreciate


           25              it that, and that's all I have.  Thank you.






            1                      MR. MCGOFF: Ms. Fanucci?


            2                      MS. FANUCCI: You want me to go?  All


            3              right then.  We have three of the loans of


            4              the agenda, a lot of people spoke on them


            5              tonight.  The only way I could -- you know,


            6              I say this over and over again and I am I


            7              sure it falls on deaf ears to some, but


            8              people are putting 300 and 500 thousand


            9              dollars into these businesses.  We are not


           10              talking about the fact that these people are


           11              not putting anything in.  A lot of money is


           12              being spent out of their pocket.  They are


           13              looking for a little bit more working


           14              capital and creating jobs to boot.  Most of


           15              them create many more than they are supposed


           16              to create.  You know, some of them are


           17              looking at three permanent jobs as required


           18              by the state, well, they are coming up with


           19              30, four management positions, five


           20              actually, five in one, five management


           21              positions.


           22                      I understand that the impression is


           23              that because we are loaning this money out,


           24              and it's a loan, that it's sound like these


           25              people are getting a free ride.  Well, if






            1              you coming to me with $500,000 and are


            2              willing to put it in my city, all of our


            3              city, we should be thankful right now in


            4              this economy that three businesses are


            5              willing to expand and put the money here.  I


            6              don't understand how this is a problem or an


            7              issue all the time.  I really don't.  I


            8              don't get it.


            9                      Is it because you have never opened


           10              a business and you don't understand?  Is it


           11              because you can't -- you don't want other


           12              people to come here or give a shot to


           13              whatever their dream is or whatever they


           14              feel they want to do?  It's very sad to me


           15              that it's not something that you can grasp


           16              on an daily basis.  People are putting money


           17              here.  Does that mean that $85,000 we should


           18              say, "Get lost.  Take your $500,000 and go


           19              and Jessup or go somewhere else because we


           20              don't want you because you want to borrow


           21              $85,000 and pay us back and create 30 jobs,


           22              that's ridiculous."


           23                      I don't get it.  Yes, I will always,


           24              always pass job creation and loans and


           25              encourage people to open businesses in this






            1              city, just because it might not be a


            2              business you personally think you will use,


            3              doesn't mean that they aren't other people


            4              in the city who want to use it.  So I will


            5              be, obviously, very proud to pass this


            6              legislation.


            7                      As far as the KOZ is concerned, this


            8              is another thing, I mean, we didn't create


            9              this program.  Scranton didn't decide this


           10              was something we wanted to do.  People say


           11              what are the benefits?  We get nothing out


           12              of the KOZ.  Well, you know what, you get


           13              union jobs, first of all, let's just start


           14              there, your unions are going to work and


           15              building the KOZ.  Not a bad deal


           16              considering most unions are looking for work


           17              all the time, so should we be happy about


           18              that?  I think we should.


           19                      The people when they get the payroll


           20              want to spend it here.  So, yeah, if you


           21              want to send them somewhere else that's


           22              where they are spending their money.  1,000


           23              people spending I don't care if it's a


           24              dollar a day at a gas station it's a dollar


           25              a day that we didn't get last time, last






            1              year at this time.


            2                      So, yeah, is it a wash for awhile?


            3              Probably, unless you are a business owner


            4              and you are waiting for that guy to come in


            5              and buy a soda or waiting in that restaurant


            6              or somebody to come in and by what they are


            7              eating.  So, yes, maybe personally you are


            8              not benefiting, maybe personally you are


            9              not, but that doesn't mean that the


           10              residents aren't benefiting.


           11                      So you need to look beyond what your


           12              personal opinions are and look about other


           13              people who have put money into the city and


           14              believe in the city and say, well, okay,


           15              maybe not for me, but somebody is making


           16              something off of it and that's better


           17              because most people in the country right now


           18              are closing.  Businesses.  You think they


           19              are all billionaires right now.  If you look


           20              around look at the country, sorry to say,


           21              they are hurting.  Everyone is hurting.


           22                      So, should we encourage them?  I


           23              don't know, I think so.  I would rather have


           24              business than not have business.  20 percent


           25              when they move here in this city, say they






            1              relocate, they have to expand by 20 percent


            2              from what they relocated from, so that's


            3              20 percent more employees than they had


            4              previously.  They have to maintain that


            5              every single year or they don't get KOZ


            6              status, so say they do not agree and they do


            7              not commit and do not fulfill what they are


            8              obligated to do, the KOZ status will be


            9              removed, so there are checks and balances.


           10                      People say, "What did we get off of


           11              the last KOZ's?"


           12                      Well, quite frankly, we have people


           13              here.  We have houses that weren't here.


           14              You have people where there wasn't people


           15              before living and paying and buying.  That's


           16              a good thing.  Eventually, which is now,


           17              2010, we are so close, all that money is


           18              coming in in 2010 and if you honestly


           19              believe that people are packing up and


           20              leaving in mass exodus out of their homes


           21              and out of their businesses and out of their


           22              lives I don't believe it.  I don't.  They


           23              built their lives here just like you did and


           24              just like I did, so I don't believe they are


           25              going to be leaving.






            1                      Do I think that it's a great idea or


            2              a wonderful deal for us to have KOZ's and


            3              nonprofits everywhere?  No.  Quite frankly,


            4              I'd love for everybody to have to pay their


            5              share.  The problem is it's a state program,


            6              it's available.  Most the money comes from


            7              the state tax that they are saving so you


            8              are paying it anyway.  If they go somewhere


            9              else out of your city, some other place, you


           10              are still paying the tax.  You are still


           11              bailing them out.  So do you want to bail


           12              them out and put them in your backyard and


           13              hope to God that your neighbor is making


           14              some money off of them?  I would I think you


           15              would.  I certainly do.  I want them here.


           16                      And I'll tell you right now if the


           17              University of Scranton picked up and told me


           18              they were leaving I would fight to keep them


           19              here as far as I can.  You don't want people


           20              to leave this city because of KOZ because


           21              they can go somewhere else.  You don't want


           22              people to leave these city with their


           23              nonprofits because these people are the


           24              people that keep this city going.  It's not


           25              just you and I.  It's everyone who is at






            1              these jobs.  So do I love the fact that I


            2              have to say another freebie and taxes?  No.


            3              But you know what, if I don't say "yes" to


            4              this all of those other people did and they


            5              gone and I want them here.


            6                      As far as me agreeing with the mayor


            7              all the time and passing his legislation as


            8              a rubber stamper, I agree with him.  I agree


            9              with his plan and guess what, a lot of other


           10              people do, too.  He just won again.  Just


           11              because you don't agree with what I agree


           12              with don't say I just do it just to do it


           13              because you are wrong.  I only do what I


           14              believe in if there is nothing you have


           15              learned from me this four years you should


           16              know.  I didn't pass legislation for that


           17              huge borrowing that he wanted to do.  I


           18              didn't do it.  Why?  Because I didn't want


           19              to, but I do what I want and I do it for the


           20              right reasons, so please don't get up here


           21              week after week for the next few months of


           22              my -- what's left for me to accomplish what


           23              I need to accomplish and talk about the fact


           24              that I only do what he wants.  I believe in


           25              him just like so many people in this city






            1              do, just like you believe in Mrs. Evans and


            2              her plan or her lack thereof, whatever.


            3                      You have a choice to believe who you


            4              want to and so do I.  I will be voting for


            5              any job creation in this city, I will not


            6              stop, I have done that and if you look at my


            7              record I have never not done that.  Job


            8              creation is what is key to getting us to


            9              where we need to be to increase the tax


           10              base, and that is all I have.  Thank you.


           11                      MR. MCGOFF: Mr. Courtright.


           12                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Okay, Kay, I need


           13              you to send a letter down to Mr. Brazil, you


           14              can send one letter for both things.  I


           15              asked that they did a crosswalk there at the


           16              Trinity Church on the corner of Main Avenue


           17              and Division Street because I actually did


           18              go by there on Sunday and the signs are out


           19              there, and that's great, but the people


           20              don't seem to know where to cross, so if


           21              they can put something there that would be


           22              good, and I'm going to be a pest with this


           23              one because I think it's important they


           24              still have not done anything with Forest


           25              Glenn Drive, you know, the DPW has come up






            1              on more than one occasion and patched it,


            2              but it just doesn't last and needs to be


            3              graded and paved, just the section.  I'm not


            4              asking for the whole road.  I have only seen


            5              one person so far go off the road, but there


            6              could have been more when I wasn't there.  I


            7              think there is going to be a head-on


            8              accident, so if you can just send that again


            9              and maybe they get sick of me and do


           10              something.


           11                      People ask me about, I don't even


           12              want to bring this up, but maybe I'll give a


           13              little bit of an education about can't the


           14              police use some other kind of way to stop


           15              the people other than, you know, shooting.


           16              We do have what they call less than lethal.


           17              It's where they shoot a beanbag more or


           18              less, but not every officer has it with


           19              them.  They have one in every so many cars


           20              that they carry with them and you don't


           21              always know that you need it.  You know, you


           22              go on an incident that could be harmless


           23              and, boom, it turns into something terrible.


           24              You know, that's usually what happens.


           25              Usually the calls that they go on and they






            1              think are going to be bad aren't as bad as


            2              they think and the ones they think nothing


            3              is going to happen they escalate into


            4              something really bad.


            5                      I believe we were in the possession


            6              of tasers at the time when this incident


            7              happened, but I don't believe they were on


            8              the road yet, I don't believe the people


            9              were trained on them yet.  I do believe we


           10              have some people trained on them now, I'm


           11              not 100 percent sure about that, so I'll


           12              leave it at that for now.


           13                      5-F, I have no problem with loaning


           14              that company because it's a new startup


           15              company the money, my problem is that they


           16              are going to a KOZ and they are getting 1


           17              percent, so I'm letting them know if you


           18              were getting 5 percent like everybody else I


           19              would have voted "yes."  I understand that,


           20              you know, you are planning on creating


           21              several jobs, but they are only required to


           22              create three, and there is no guarantee.  I


           23              hope they create several, there is no


           24              guarantee, but the fact that they are going


           25              into a KOZ and not end up paying taxes






            1              coupled with the 1 percent is what is going


            2              to make me vote "no."  If they were 5


            3              percent like everyone else, they are a


            4              startup company, and they are taking


            5              advantage of the KOZ, I can't blame them for


            6              that.


            7                      I can't blame a company, I'll tell


            8              you what, you can't blame a company for


            9              trying to get the KOZ status.  I mean, in


           10              business you try to get the best deal you


           11              can get for yourself.  So, you know, I don't


           12              blame the Commonwealth for trying to get the


           13              status, it's just good business on their


           14              part.  It's available.  You know, if I had a


           15              business like that I would probably be going


           16              after it, too, but I'm bothered by the fact


           17              that they're going to be a KOZ plus they are


           18              going to get the 1 percent.  If by some


           19              chance if they would change it to 5 percent


           20              I would vote "yes".  And that's all I have.


           21                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.  First, in


           22              response to someone speakers about the land


           23              or the building at Nay Aug that Lackawanna


           24              College is going to be using, it is my


           25              understanding that that building is being






            1              leased or the intent is to lease it to


            2              Lackawanna not to give it to them as their


            3              property.  I'm told that is the plan.  I


            4              don't know that there is any specific lease


            5              agreement yet in place, but I do know that


            6              it is -- that building is not just being


            7              given to Lackawanna College.  It will remain


            8              part of Nay Aug Park and whatever title goes


            9              with it.


           10                      Secondly, in response to some


           11              comments about the Single Tax Office and not


           12              getting answers, I believe the council has


           13              made -- has exhausted itself in attempts to


           14              get information from the Single Tax Office.


           15              We have been to the Courts, we have been to


           16              the solicitor, we have talked to the tax


           17              collector, we have tried everything to get a


           18              response.  We have been as frustrated as


           19              anyone else in our attempts to get answers.


           20                      And in terms of asking Mr. McDowell,


           21              as Attorney Minora said, we have, you know,


           22              we have gone to Court in an attempt to get


           23              Mr. McDowell before council and it is still


           24              in the courts.  We can't control what other


           25              people do.  I would not -- we don't have






            1              control over what the District Attorney's


            2              Office does or any other police agency or


            3              policing agency.  All we can do is ask the


            4              same questions that maybe you are asking and


            5              hopefully get responses.  When we get


            6              responses, we have attempted to pass them


            7              along to you.  That may be frustrating, but


            8              it's just as frustrating for us, you know,


            9              sitting here.


           10                      And as far as Mr. Burke coming to


           11              the caucus and not coming into council


           12              chambers, he was never asked to come into


           13              council chambers.  He was asked by me to


           14              come to a caucus and to meet with council in


           15              the office.  He never -- he never refused to


           16              come into council chambers.  I think that's


           17              a misrepresentation what Mr. Burke did.  On


           18              a number of occasions he has indicated he


           19              would be more than willing to talk to


           20              members of council about any of the


           21              programs.


           22                      And, lastly, as far as the -- and


           23              this may be premature, but we are working


           24              towards it, the KOZ extensions I have a


           25              number of things to say on it.  As Mrs.






            1              Fanucci indicated, this is not a program


            2              that is isolated to the City of Scranton.


            3              KOZ's are -- it's a state program and these


            4              extensions are being granted throughout the


            5              state.  This is not something that we are


            6              being asked to do isolated in the City of


            7              Scranton.  KOZ extensions are being granted


            8              throughout the state to any -- I shouldn't


            9              say to any, but to worthy projects and they


           10              are being granted by the state, not by the


           11              municipalities.


           12                      The county commissioners are in


           13              agreement, have offered their support to


           14              this extension program.  We have a letter


           15              from the county commissioners in which they


           16              have stated their support for the extensions


           17              and have already I believe in either Jessup


           18              or Archbald have -- that application has


           19              already been approved.


           20                      I believe that these extensions, I


           21              don't want to say may be necessary, in to


           22              order to keep Scranton competitive with


           23              other areas, businesses, and I am told this


           24              by any number of people, one of the first


           25              questions that business owners ask when they






            1              are looking to move into an area or to


            2              relocate or to start a new business are


            3              there KOZ's available and if they are not


            4              available in Scranton then they will go


            5              somewhere else to find them, be it Jessup,


            6              Archbald, Hazelton or some other part of the


            7              state.  I think in order for Scranton to be


            8              competitive in attracting jobs and in


            9              attracting businesses the KOZ extensions are


           10              something that we need to -- we need to


           11              approve.


           12                      Also, Mount Pleasant, the one we are


           13              looking at tonight, has produced little or


           14              no income to the city for a period of time.


           15              To say that we are losing anything is I


           16              believe ludicrous.  By granting an


           17              extension, by attracting businesses we are


           18              --  we are bringing the potential of jobs


           19              and income to this city that did not exist


           20              before and will not exist unless these KOZ's


           21              are available, and we seem to talk about,


           22              you know, what are we going to do about


           23              long-term debt.  Well, if we are looking to


           24              deal with long-term debt then you have to


           25              look at long-term as far as where we can get






            1              revenue, and you will start to realize the


            2              benefits of the first KOZ program very soon,


            3              and in the long-term if we attract


            4              businesses, as Mrs. Fanucci did say,


            5              businesses that come and move into these


            6              areas they are not going to just get up and


            7              move because the KOZ has terminated.


            8              Successful businesses are going to stay and


            9              they are going to stay in the location where


           10              they are been successful, and so if we are


           11              looking for long-term benefit there you have


           12              it.  If we are looking for ways of paying


           13              off long-term debt, there you have it.


           14              Create long-term income.  Create something


           15              that's going to exist well into the future


           16              and not look in the sort term.


           17                      And also, if we are looking to


           18              reduce taxes then I think there are two


           19              different ways to reduce taxes:  One, create


           20              more jobs, create more income, so that we


           21              are not reliant on property taxes.  And the


           22              second thing is to increase -- increase the


           23              tax base, and that's what KOZ's do.  They


           24              increase the tax base over a long-term.


           25                        Properties that are coming out of






            1              the KOZ's in the near future, those are


            2              going to be taxable into the future.  It's


            3              not just the homes that were built in Keyser


            4              Terrace, in Tripp Park and whatever other


            5              KOZ, you know, properties there are.  Those


            6              are homes that are going to stay there.


            7              They are not going to disappear when the


            8              KOZ's terminate.  People will pay taxes on


            9              those.  People are not going to get up and


           10              move out of them, even if they do move out


           11              of them, somebody will still own them,


           12              somebody will still need to pay taxes on


           13              them.  They are not going to disappear, and


           14              I think we are looking into very often we


           15              are just too sort term in what we are


           16              looking at when we talk about the KOZ's.


           17                      And I know I'm kind of rambling


           18              around about some things, it's just ideas


           19              that came to me in dealing with this.  The


           20              property at Mt. Pleasant has been a blight


           21              on this city for a number of years and now


           22              it's going to be the potential of five


           23              viable businesses.  If nothing else, getting


           24              rid of that culm dump that existed there and


           25              improving that property, that alone would






            1              for me justify extending the KOZ's, and I


            2              think it has to be understood that we are


            3              only offering support.  We are passing -- we


            4              are voting on a resolution that would offer


            5              support to the application that is being


            6              made.  We are not deciding to extend these


            7              KOZ's.  All we are saying is that we give


            8              our support to people that are willing to


            9              spend money and willing to develop this land


           10              in the future.


           11                      Also, it does not deal with every


           12              KOZ.  The state law for the extensions of


           13              KOZ's deals only with unoccupied,


           14              undeveloped KOZ properties.  It is not an


           15              extension of every KOZ property in the


           16              state, it is only on undeveloped properties.


           17              And so again, the properties that


           18              originally were developed under the original


           19              KOZ program they are not affected.  They are


           20              not going to be extended.  They will start


           21              to pay taxes in the year 2010, and so again,


           22              I think it's it needs to be understood what


           23              it is that we are dealing with here.  It's


           24              the only extension on undeveloped KOZ


           25              properties.






            1                      And I think if you went to some


            2              people who built homes, started businesses,


            3              under the original KOZ program I think that


            4              they would tell you that it was well worth


            5              it.  How many municipal employees are living


            6              in KOZ properties and would be probably, you


            7              know, say, "Great idea," you know, "We


            8              benefited, other people should benefit."


            9                      I think that the extensions that are


           10              being asked for are worth us considering it.


           11              I think they are worth our support.  It will


           12              benefit the city initially by creating jobs,


           13              by bringing more people to the area, union


           14              jobs as Mrs. Fanucci said, and to the


           15              long -- into the future increase the tax


           16              base, increase the number of jobs and a lot


           17              allows to deal with some economic problems


           18              that may exist into the long-term, into the


           19              future.  I don't think that I can stress


           20              that enough.  We are looking for how we can


           21              deal with things in the future.  Well, I


           22              think here is a program that allows us to do


           23              that, and I think that we will start to see


           24              the benefits of the original program and I


           25              think it's worth our support to help us into






            1              the future find dealing with KOZ extensions,


            2              and that is all I have.


            3                      MS. GARVEY: 5-B. FOR INTRODUCTION -


            4              A RESOLUTION - AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND




            6              AND ENTER INTO ON BEHALF OF THE CITY OF








           10              ("PENNDOT") TO AUTHORIZE ELECTRONIC ACCESS




           12              dotGRANTS ON-LINE REPORTING SYSTEM FOR THE


           13              PURPOSES OF ENTERING DATA, EXCHANGING






           16              THE MS-965, MS-329 AND MS-999 FORMS AND TO




           18              DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS, CITY ENGINEER,






           21                      MR. MCGOFF:  At this time I'll


           22              entertain a motion that Item 5-B be


           23              introduced into it's proper committee.


           24                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.


           25                      MS. FANUCCI:  Second.






            1                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


            2              in favor signify by saying aye.


            3                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


            4                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


            5                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


            6                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


            7              ayes have it and so moved.


            8                      MS. GARVEY: 5-C.  FOR INTRODUCTION -


            9              A RESOLUTION - ACCEPTING OWNERSHIP AND






           12              AVENUE (S.R. 3011) AND DALTON STREET (S.R.


           13              3014) AND DIVISION STREET AND ACCEPTING




           15              04S005 BETWEEN THE COMMONWEALTH OF




           17              (COMMONWEALTH) AND THE CITY OF SCRANTON




           19              OF THE KEYSER AVENUE PROJECT.


           20                      MR. MCGOFF:  At this time I'll


           21              entertain a motion that Item 5-C be


           22              introduced into it's proper committee.


           23                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.


           24                      MS. FANUCCI:  Second.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All






            1              in favor signify by saying aye.


            2                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


            3                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


            4                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


            5                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


            6              ayes have it and so moved.


            7                      MS. GARVEY: 5-D. FOR INTRODUCTION -


            8              A RESOLUTION - AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND




           10              CITY OF SCRANTON TO ENTER INTO A LOAN


           11              AGREEMENT AND MAKE A LOAN FROM THE




           13              PROGRAM, PROJECT NO. 150.23 IN AN AMOUNT NOT


           14              TO EXCEED $50,000.00 TO GLEASON CUSTOM




           16                      MR. MCGOFF:  At this time I'll


           17              entertain a motion that Item 5-D be


           18              introduced into it's proper committee.


           19                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.


           20                      MS. FANUCCI:  Second.


           21                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


           22              those in favor signify by saying aye.


           23                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           24                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           25                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.






            1                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


            2              ayes have it and so moved.


            3                      MS. GARVEY: 5-E. FOR INTRODUCTION -


            4              A RESOLUTION - AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND




            6              CITY OF SCRANTON TO ENTER INTO A LOAN






            9              150.22 IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $35,000.00


           10              TO BACKYARD ALE HOUSE, LLC TO ASSIST AN


           11              ELIGIBLE PROJECT.


           12                      MR. MCGOFF:  At this time I'll


           13              entertain a motion that Item 5-E be


           14              introduced into it's proper committee.


           15                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.


           16                      MS. FANUCCI:  Second.


           17                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


           18              in favor signify by saying aye.


           19                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           20                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           21                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           22                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           23              ayes have it and so moved.


           24                      MS. GARVEY: 5-F. FOR INTRODUCTION -


           25              A RESOLUTION - AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND








            2              AND ENTER INTO A LOAN AGREEMENT IN THE


            3              AMOUNT OF $85,000.00 BY AND BETWEEN THE CITY


            4              OF SCRANTON AND LOCAL FOCAL, INC., A


            5              PENNSYLVANIA CORPORATION, UNDER THE




            7                      MR. MCGOFF:  At this time I'll


            8              entertain a motion that Item 5-F be


            9              introduced into it's proper committee.


           10                      MS. FANUCCI: So moved.


           11                      MR. MCGOFF:  Second.  On the


           12              question?


           13                      MR. COURTRIGHT: On the question,


           14              I'll just repeat what I said earlier, what's


           15              making me vote in the negative is that the


           16              fact they are going into a KOZ and plus only


           17              paying the 1 percent.  If they were paying


           18              the 5 percent the people that other people


           19              were paying I would be willing to vote


           20              "yes", but I'm going to be voting "no" on


           21              this.


           22                      MS. GATELLI: I would also like to


           23              make a motion to table this if this is the


           24              appropriate time to see if we can't get them


           25              to the 5 percent.  I don't know if that's






            1              possible.


            2                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Could we -- do we


            3              have to vote first, Mr. Minora, or --


            4                      MR. MCGOFF: You can make a motion to


            5              table at any time.


            6                      MS. GATELLI: I make a motion to


            7              table this until we find out if we can


            8              change the rate of the loan.


            9                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I'll second that.


           10                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question to


           11              table?  All in favor signify by saying aye.


           12                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           13                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           14                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           15                      MR. MCGOFF:  Opposed?  No. The ayes


           16              have it and so moved.


           17                      MS. GARVEY: 5-G.  FOR INTRODUCTION -


           18              A RESOLUTION - A RESOLUTION EXTENDING THE


           19              TERM OF REAL PROPERTY, EARNED INCOME TAX,


           20              NET PROFITS, MERCANTILE TAX, AND BUSINESS
















            1              COMPANY (SLIBCO) BY DEED DATED MARCH 5,


            2              2008, RECORDED IN THE LACKAWANNA COUNTY


            3              RECORDER OF DEEDS OFFICE AS REFERENCE NO.


            4              2008-05077, CONSISTING OF LOTS 2,3,4 AND 5




            6              RECORDED ON SEPTEMBER 30, 2008 IN MAP BOOK


            7              6A, PAGE 6265, DESIGNATED AS A KEYSTONE














           14              OF PENNSYLVANIA, UPON CERTAIN TERMS AND


           15              CONDITIONS.


           16                      MR. MCGOFF:  At this time I'll


           17              entertain a motion that Item 5-G be


           18              introduced into it's proper committee.


           19                      MS. FANUCCI: So moved.


           20                      MR. MCGOFF:  I'll second.  On the


           21              question?


           22                      MR. COURTRIGHT: On the question,


           23              again, I know a lot of people say we have


           24              our minds made up always before this comes


           25              up, I've got mixed emotions when it comes to






            1              KOZ's, I really do.  Yes, we will be seeing


            2              -- the city will receive revenue in the near


            3              future for some of the KOZ's, and that's a


            4              great thing and we sorely need the money.  I


            5              think I spoke last week, when we campaign


            6              you see the city like in a different light


            7              than when your average every day life goes


            8              on, and you talk to a lot more people and we


            9              out there asking them to vote for us, so we


           10              listen a little bit better during election


           11              time I think, you know?


           12                      But I spoke to one individual that


           13              really made me think about that KOZ.  He


           14              told me, "I'm moving as soon as this KOZ


           15              status is gone, I'm gone.  I'm out of here."


           16                      He is disgusted with the


           17              development, the whole nine yards, and that


           18              bothered me and disappointed me, but I also


           19              thought there is a home there.  He is not


           20              going to move without selling the home, so


           21              when he sells the home we are going to get


           22              transfer tax, right, and then whoever buys


           23              it is going to pay taxes from the KOZ house,


           24              so I believe there is good and there is bad


           25              on both ends, so I'm really torn.  I truly






            1              many.  I don't know when the final vote


            2              comes down how I'm going to vote on this.


            3                      I asked for some information and I


            4              got that and I'm assuming I got this


            5              afternoon, Kay, because it wasn't here when


            6              I was here this morning and to answer some


            7              of the questions, I'm going to be honest


            8              with you, I think it was a few months back


            9              when Mr. Burke did come in here and speak to


           10              us and I don't remember some of the things


           11              we talked about.  I don't remember some of


           12              the answers to the questions, so I wanted to


           13              bring myself up to speed on that and I do


           14              have another question that I wanted to look


           15              into tomorrow.


           16                      Potentially there's a company coming


           17              that, you know, and I don't know the name of


           18              the company anyway, but I'm believe they are


           19              going to tell us and ask us to keep it


           20              confidential for reasons they have, and the


           21              one company makes me think because they are


           22              supposed to bring 100 jobs and they are


           23              supposed to be very good paying jobs and I


           24              would like to see that happen here.  I don't


           25              have the information from the first time






            1              this went around on what the jobs were and


            2              what the pay was, and I do remember they


            3              gave it to me, they weren't specific enough


            4              for me, so I'm going to ask that, again, I


            5              don't know which way I will vote if this


            6              thing passes tonight.  I'm voting in the


            7              negative tonight, I was hoping that we would


            8              have tabled it to look at it a little bit


            9              more.  I know we are under time constraints,


           10              I believe by the end of the month they have


           11              to have their application in, but I'm going


           12              to vote "no" this evening, but with mixed


           13              emotions, I'm just trying to be as honest as


           14              possible, I have mixed emotions on it.


           15              That's all I have.


           16                      MR. MCGOFF: Anyone else?


           17                      MS. GATELLI: Well, I'm just going to


           18              say that I'm going to vote to introduce it


           19              tonight, but that doesn't necessarily mean


           20              I'm going to vote for it when it comes to


           21              the final vote.  I do believe in KOZ zones.


           22              They have always had a tax incentive program


           23              in the City of Scranton, years ago it was


           24              called LERTA and they had a ten-year lease.


           25              There were incentives all over the country






            1              for businesses.  Personally, I do not


            2              believe in KOZ for residential areas.  If


            3              that came before me I would absolutely vote


            4              "no".  They are not for residential areas,


            5              but I do think they are beneficial in


            6              commercial and job creation areas.


            7                      I know when I look at the resolution


            8              that was passed by the county they had no


            9              problem at all.  They don't even specify a


           10              particular project as our ordinance does.


           11              Our ordinance is only for Mount Pleasant as


           12              far as I'm understanding.  The county


           13              approved it for any unoccupied, undeveloped


           14              land in the whole county.  I believe that


           15              they studied it, and I worked many years you


           16              know, with Mike Washo, and I don't think


           17              that Mike would have voted for something


           18              that would not be good for the county.  I


           19              will be talking to Mr. Washo concerning this


           20              matter.  I believe I did ask some time ago


           21              for someone to call the school district and


           22              see what their feelings were in regards to


           23              this issue.  If we have a deadline I'm sure


           24              they have the same deadline and I don't see


           25              it being discussed at the school district at






            1              all, and they will be the biggest loser of


            2              tax revenue for the property tax, so I don't


            3              understand why I'm going to say again, that


            4              it's always incumbent upon us to be the ones


            5              who make all of these decisions when others


            6              should be in the boat with us.  I think we


            7              should have all met together.  There should


            8              be intergovernmental relations, and there


            9              aren't and there never is and that's a


           10              really sad thing.


           11                      So I would ask that we possibly even


           12              meet next week in caucus with one of the


           13              commissioners and a school board solicitor


           14              or president and we discuss the matter


           15              together intelligently and see how we all


           16              feel about it.


           17                      MR. MCGOFF: Can I interject just a


           18              second, please?


           19                      MS. GATELLI:  Yes.


           20                      MR. MCGOFF: I perhaps a month or so


           21              ago I did meet with the county commissioners


           22              to discuss this when it was originally


           23              proposed to us by Mr. Burke and they were at


           24              that time making an attempt to contact the


           25              school board or a member -- someone from the






            1              school district to do just what you


            2              suggested, to sit down and discuss it as one


            3              and to make a decision on what we might want


            4              to do and nothing ever came of that.  I


            5              don't know what happened to the -- actually


            6              they were trying to -- they made the phone


            7              call when I was with them and I got no --


            8              didn't get a response from the person that


            9              they contacted.


           10                      Yesterday I spoke with one of the


           11              commissioners as well regarding this matter,


           12              and again, that was suggested and the


           13              commissioners were going to attempt to


           14              contact the school board and see if they


           15              could arrange or at least get an indication


           16              of what the school board was thinking on


           17              this matter.  Perhaps rather than a caucus,


           18              I will attempt to contact the commissioners


           19              tomorrow and see if they had any success in


           20              contacting the school board.  I would also


           21              attempt to contact someone at the school


           22              district and perhaps before next week and as


           23              soon as possible sit down with those so that


           24              we have a -- maybe can get a consensus on


           25              what people think.






            1                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Mr. McGoff, I had


            2              one more thing.


            3                      MR. MCGOFF: Sure.  It's your time,


            4              I'm sorry.


            5                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I'm sorry.  My


            6              understanding is that if all three of us


            7              don't go along with it then it fails.  I


            8              think that's correct, do you know for sure?


            9                      MS. GATELLI: And we did check that


           10              and that's true.  We all have to agree.  So,


           11              can't we all meet?


           12                      MR. COURTRIGHT: We need to met.


           13                      MS. GATELLI: We all met on the tax


           14              office issue.  All the bodies were at the


           15              county commissioner's office.  We were all


           16              represented at that meeting, so I don't


           17              understand why we can't have a meeting about


           18              this.


           19                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I think we have to.


           20                      MS. GATELLI: I think we do, too.


           21                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I don't think there


           22              is any way that we could -- our vote is not


           23              going to matter one way or the other if we


           24              don't meet and decide.


           25                      MS. FANUCCI:  Exactly.






            1                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  So I think we need


            2              to and I would hope that, it appears it is


            3              going to go through 3 to 1 tonight, I would


            4              vote that we don't vote on it next week


            5              unless we know the school district is going


            6              to do next week.


            7                      MS. GATELLI: Well, I think we can


            8              still table it next week.


            9                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Yeah.  Absolutely.


           10                      MS. GATELLI: This is just


           11              introduction, we can always table it again.


           12                      MS. FANUCCI: The problem is they are


           13              under time constraints.


           14                      MS. GATELLI: Well, the time


           15              constraints are up the street, too.


           16                      MS. FANUCCI:  Right, but they only


           17              have to pass it once.


           18                      MS. GATELLI: It's not just for us.


           19                      MS. FANUCCI: They could pass it


           20              once.


           21                      MS. GATELLI:  We can suspend the


           22              rules and read it.  There is always an


           23              answer.  We can suspend the rules and do it


           24              in one night.


           25                      MR. COURTRIGHT: The problem is on






            1              these issues we need to get together


            2              beforehand, not when it's in front of us.


            3                      MS. GATELLI:  Yeah, but I did ask.


            4                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I know you tried.


            5              Why that didn't happen --


            6                      MS. GATELLI: Well, I think it was


            7              because it was election time.  The election


            8              is over so --


            9                      MR. MCGOFF: I will attempt to setup


           10              some type of meeting with the other two


           11              bodies.  Okay.  Anyone else?


           12                      MS. GATELLI: No, that's all I have.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF:  All those in favor of


           14              introduction signify by saying aye.


           15                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           16                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           17                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?


           18                      MR. COURTRIGHT: No.


           19                      MR. MCGOFF: The ayes have it and so


           20              moved.


           21                      MS. GARVEY:  Sixth order we have a


           22              motion.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF: 6-A we need a motion


           24              to amend 6-A.  I just want to make sure I


           25              make the proper motion.






            1                      MR. MINORA:  It's a motion to amend


            2              the title and the body of the resolution.


            3              The ordinance to remove the words "general


            4              fund."


            5                      MR. MCGOFF: Just for information


            6              sake, the words "general funds" were


            7              included in the legislation, they should not


            8              have been.  The motion is going to be simply


            9              to remove the words "general fund," from the


           10              legislation, so at this point in time I


           11              would like to make a motion to amend Item


           12              6-A by removing the words "general fund"


           13              from the legislation.


           14                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.


           15                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question.  All


           16              those in favor signify by saying aye.


           17                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           18                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           19                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           20                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           21              ayes have it and so moved.


           22                      MS. GARVEY: 6-A.  READING BY TITLE -


           23              FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 68, 2009 - AN ORDINANCE


           24              - AS AMENDED - TRANSFERRING THE FUNDS FROM


           25              FUND 03 CITY LIQUID FUEL ACCOUNTS WHICH














            5              CASH LIQUID FUELS INVEST ACCOUNT.


            6                      MR. MCGOFF: You have heard reading


            7              by title of Item 6-A, what is your pleasure.


            8                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I move that Item 6-A


            9              pass reading by title.


           10                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.


           11                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


           12              those in favor signify by saying aye.


           13                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           14                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           15                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           16                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           17              ayes have it and so moved.


           18                      MS. GARVEY: SEVENTH ORDER.  7-A. FOR




           20              DEVELOPMENT - FOR ADOPTION - FILE OF COUNCIL


           21              NO. 67, 2009 - AMENDING FILE OF COUNCIL NO.


           22              123, 2007, ENTITLED, "AN ORDINANCE




           24              OFFICIALS OF THE CITY OF SCRANTON TO TAKE










            2              PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT PROGRAMS (AS


            3              AMENDED) TO BE FUNDED UNDER THE COMMUNITY






            6              EMERGENCY SHELTER GRANT (ESG) PROGRAM", BY


            7              AMENDING THE CONSOLIDATED PLAN AND THE 2008






           10              AND REINVESTMENT ACT OF 2009 ("RECOVERY


           11              ACT") FOR THE HOMELESS PREVENTION AND RAPID


           12              RE-HOUSING PROGRAM (HPRP) AND THE COMMUNITY


           13              DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT- RECOVERY (CDBG-R)


           14              THAT RESULTED FROM THE RECOVERY ACT.


           15                      MR. MCGOFF:  What is the


           16              recommendation of the Chairperson for the


           17              Committee on Community Development?


           18                      MS. FANUCCI: As Chairperson for the


           19              Committee on Community Development, I


           20              recommend final passage of Item 7-A.


           21                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.


           22                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  Roll


           23              call, please?


           24                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.  Mrs.


           25              Gatelli.






            1                      MS. GATELLI.  Yes.


            2                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.


            3                      MS. FANUCCI:  Yes.


            4                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. Courtright.


            5                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Yes.


            6                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.


            7                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes.  I hereby declare


            8              Item 7-A legally and lawfully adopted.


            9                      MS. GARVEY: 7-B. FOR CONSIDERATION




           11              FOR ADOPTION - RESOLUTION NO. 123, 2009 -






           14              ENTER INTO A LOAN AGREEMENT AND MAKE A LOAN




           16              LOAN PROGRAM, PROJECT NO. 009.500.4 IN AN


           17              AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $25,000.00 TO D & MS,


           18              LLC D/B/A CITY CAFÉ TO ASSIST AN ELIGIBLE


           19              PROJECT.


           20                      MR. MCGOFF:  What is the


           21              recommendation of the Chairperson for the


           22              Committee on Community Development?


           23                      MS. FANUCCI: As Chairperson for the


           24              Committee on Community Development, I


           25              recommend final passage of Item 7-B.






            1                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.


            2                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  Roll


            3              call, please?


            4                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans. Mrs.


            5              Gatelli.


            6                      MS. GATELLI.  Yes.


            7                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.


            8                      MS. FANUCCI:  Yes.


            9                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. Courtright.


           10                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Yes.


           11                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.


           12                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes.  I hereby declare


           13              Item 7-B legally and lawfully adopted.


           14                      MS. GATELLI: Make a motion to


           15              adjourn.


           16                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.


           17                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.  Thank you


           18              for your participation.




















            1                     C E R T I F I C A T E




            3        I hereby certify that the proceedings and


            4   evidence are contained fully and accurately in the


            5   notes of testimony taken by me at the hearing of the


            6   above-captioned matter and that the foregoing is a true


            7   and correct transcript of the same to the best of my


            8   ability.







                                    CATHENE S. NARDOZZI, RPR

           12                       OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER