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            2             SCRANTON CITY COUNCIL MEETING

 

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            6                          HELD:

 

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            8                   Tuesday, May 5, 2009

 

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           10                        LOCATION:

 

           11                    Council Chambers

 

           12                 Scranton City Hall

 

           13              340 North Washington Avenue

 

           14                Scranton, Pennsylvania

 

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                    CATHENE S. NARDOZZI, RPR - OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER

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            3   CITY OF SCRANTON COUNCIL:

 

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                MR. ROBERT MCGOFF, PRESIDENT

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            7   MS. JUDY GATELLI, VICE-PRESIDENT

 

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                MS. JANET E. EVANS

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           10   MS. SHERRY FANUCCI

 

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                MR. WILLIAM COURTRIGHT

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           13   MS. KAY GARVEY, CITY CLERK

 

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                MS. SUE MAGNOTTA, ASSISTANT CITY CLERK

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           16   MR. AMIL MINORA, SOLICITOR

 

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            1                      (Pledge of Allegiance recited and

 

            2              moment of reflection observed.)

 

            3                      MR. MCGOFF:  Roll call, please?

 

            4                      MS. MAGNOTTA: Mrs. Evans.

 

            5                      MS. EVANS:  Here.

 

            6                      MS. MAGNOTTA:  Mrs. Gatelli.

 

            7                      MS. GATELLI:  Here.

 

            8                      MS. MAGNOTTA:  Ms. Fanucci.

 

            9                      MS. FANUCCI:  Here.

 

           10                      MS. MAGNOTTA:  Mr. Courtright.

 

           11                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Here.

 

           12                      MS. MAGNOTTA:  Mr. McGoff.

 

           13                      MR. MCGOFF:  Here.  Dispense with

 

           14              the reading of the minutes.

 

           15                      MS. GARVEY: There is no business in

 

           16              Third Order tonight.

 

           17                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mrs. Harvey.

 

           18              Prior to Fourth Order any announcements?

 

           19                      MS. GATELLI:  A couple of things.

 

           20                      MR. MCGOFF: Please.

 

           21                      MS. GATELLI:  I wasn't ready for you

 

           22              to come to me that fast.

 

           23                      MR. MCGOFF: While you are searching,

 

           24              I would like to thank everyone for the

 

           25              cards, calls, and concern that was shown to


 

 

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            1              me during my recent illness.  I greatly

 

            2              appreciated it.  Thank you.

 

            3                      MS. GATELLI:  Before we started, I'd

 

            4              like to welcome our two colleagues back.  I

 

            5              think we are falling apart one at a time

 

            6              here.

 

            7                      This Thursday, May 7, and Friday,

 

            8              May 8 at 7:00 and Saturday at 2:00, the West

 

            9              Scranton players are putting on the play the

 

           10              Saloon Keeper's Daughter.  It's a melodrama

 

           11              and the tickets are $5.

 

           12                      I spoke to Jeff Brazil about the

 

           13              opening in the court behind the Guild

 

           14              Studios that was reported last week.  He

 

           15              said that he believes there is a vault there

 

           16              and he will be contacting the utility

 

           17              company.  I think it's the electrical

 

           18              company that has a vault there has that

 

           19              subsided, so he is going to contact them and

 

           20              we'll get back to you about what the problem

 

           21              is there, but there definitely is a problem.

 

           22                      In September at West Scranton High

 

           23              School, they are going to be marking their

 

           24              75th anniversary, and what they are doing is

 

           25              they are going to restore the clock on the


 

 

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            1              outside of the school.  It is being run by

 

            2              Chris Macino, one of our English teachers,

 

            3              and they are asking for donations to help

 

            4              replace the clock.  It's going to cost

 

            5              $4,500 to repair that clock at the top of

 

            6              the building.  I have a picture here and

 

            7              maybe we can have it put on Channel 61.  You

 

            8              can mail your checks to:  West Scranton High

 

            9              School Clock Fund, attention Chris Macino,

 

           10              1201 Luzerne Street, Scranton, PA, 18504.

 

           11                      Mrs. Garvey was in contact for me

 

           12              concerning the railroad cars on South

 

           13              Washington Avenue that we have been

 

           14              complaining about for quite sometime.  The

 

           15              gentleman is supposed to be in the area on

 

           16              Monday.  I contacted Mr. Lomma and I'm going

 

           17              to try to meet with him.  If I'm not

 

           18              successful then I'm going to request a

 

           19              meeting with Congressman Kanjorski.  Anyone

 

           20              who has been over that way knows that it is

 

           21              very unsightly, the railroad cars are full

 

           22              of graffiti, the car doors are opened,

 

           23              homeless people are living inside and now

 

           24              because it's so unsightly people are dumping

 

           25              in that particular area, so that is the plan


 

 

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            1              for that.

 

            2                      Also -- I'll save it for motions.

 

            3              That's all I have.

 

            4                      MR. COURTRIGHT.  I just have one

 

            5              thing, I normally don't bring up when

 

            6              someone passes away because I'm always

 

            7              afraid that I would miss somebody and I'll

 

            8              offend somebody's family, so I usually don't

 

            9              bring that up at all, but Marian Gabriel

 

           10              passed away, I was unable to attend her

 

           11              viewing today because I was out of town and

 

           12              the second half is actually going on right

 

           13              now and I am here so I can't attend, so I'd

 

           14              like to send my condelences to the family of

 

           15              Marian Gabriel.  She did a lot of

 

           16              volunteering with the Cancer Society and

 

           17              Meals on Wheels, things of that nature, so

 

           18              my condolences to her family and I apologize

 

           19              for not being able to make it there.  That's

 

           20              all I have.  Thank you.

 

           21                      MS. EVANS: And also please remember

 

           22              in your prayers all those who have died in

 

           23              the past week, particularly, Mr. Ron

 

           24              Hubbard, husband of Liz and father of Dan,

 

           25              frequent speakers at our meeting, and all of


 

 

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            1              his family and friends he leaves behind.

 

            2                      Also, Patty Schrecengaust, the

 

            3              Scranton School District Chief Nurse remains

 

            4              hospitalized after a serious surgery.

 

            5              Please keep her in your prayers as well.

 

            6              The Upper Hill Ecumenical Committee invites

 

            7              everyone to partake of the Friendly's Family

 

            8              Fun Night on Wednesday, May 20, from 5 to 8e

 

            9              p.m.  A percentage of the food receipts from

 

           10              those who dine at Friendly's in Dunmore will

 

           11              be donated to St. Francis of Assisi Kitchen.

 

           12                      A benefit will be conducted on May 9

 

           13              from 6 to 10 at the East Street Pub and

 

           14              Eatery for the Ari Schoener Medical Fund.

 

           15              Ari is a beautiful one-year-child who

 

           16              suffers from Vater syndrome.  Tickets are

 

           17              $20 and may be purchased at the door.

 

           18              Please support Ari and his parents.

 

           19                      I would also like to recognize all

 

           20              of the teachers in our area on National

 

           21              Teachers day and all of our school nurses,

 

           22              like Mrs. Gatelli --

 

           23                      MS. GATELLI:  Thank you.

 

           24                      MS. EVANS: -- on National School

 

           25              Nurses Day, and finally, I hope everyone is


 

 

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            1              enjoying Cinco D'Mayo, a nice celebration

 

            2              today, and that's it.

 

            3                      MR. MCGOFF: Anyone else?  Thank you.

 

            4              Fourth Order.  Citizens' participation.

 

            5              Andy Sbaraglia.

 

            6                      MR. SBARAGLIA: Andy Sbaraglia,

 

            7              citizen of Scranton.  Fellow Scrantonians,

 

            8              let me get the little sheet, I should have

 

            9              took it out.  One moment.  I left it in my

 

           10              pocket.  Okay, I wanted to a little on 7-C,

 

           11              the restoration of Fellows Park.  You read a

 

           12              letter from Wally Rancosky, okay, I know

 

           13              Wally a long time, but you didn't read any

 

           14              from Linda Caselle, which I think was more

 

           15              pertinent.  She wanted to know what they

 

           16              want to do up there.  Does anybody know what

 

           17              they are going to do with the $50,000?

 

           18              Plant grass maybe?  Because that park isn't

 

           19              run down, okay?  It's not run down at all.

 

           20              You can verify that, Mr. Courtright, because

 

           21              it's right by you right up there right

 

           22              across from the bank Fellows Park.  It's not

 

           23              run down, so it's nice to know what he wants

 

           24              to do up there with the 50,000.  Whether he

 

           25              is going to put more swings in, more this,


 

 

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            1              more that, before you even vote on things

 

            2              like that I would ask a long time ago, since

 

            3              I found out because I know the condition of

 

            4              the park and I used to play up there when I

 

            5              was a kid when I went to West Side, but

 

            6              that's a long time ago.

 

            7                      And let's go on further, I was -- I

 

            8              don't like to listen to the radio or make

 

            9              comments, but one of the candidates

 

           10              criticized the other candidate for being an

 

           11              obstructionist.

 

           12                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Andy, could I

 

           13              interrupt you for just one second, please?

 

           14              I think it's the park that was down near

 

           15              Stomack's bar they are talking about.

 

           16                      MR. SBARAGLIA: Yeah.

 

           17                      MR. COURTRIGHT: All right, but they

 

           18              have already put new sidewalks in and the

 

           19              lights and in the backup it says they are

 

           20              going to resurface some of the parking area.

 

           21              There is information in the backup.

 

           22              Mr. McGoff has it if you want me to read it

 

           23              off to you what it is.

 

           24                      MR. SBARAGLIA:  No, no, I realize

 

           25              that, but, like I said, Linda Caselle wanted


 

 

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            1              to know --

 

            2                      MS. GATELLI: I didn't get a letter

 

            3              from anybody else?

 

            4                      MR. SBARAGLIA: You got one from

 

            5              Linda Caselle in the backup, that's the one

 

            6              I read.  That's where I got the name from.

 

            7              Otherwise, I didn't draw it out of the air.

 

            8              So anyway where that was in there, too, she

 

            9              wanted to know and how it was going to

 

           10              effect her parties that she has up there.

 

           11              If you are familiar with them they have a

 

           12              lot of parties up there.  They are always

 

           13              doing something, that's a very active park.

 

           14                      Okay, let me get onto this other

 

           15              thing, I was listening to the radio where

 

           16              one candidate was calling the other

 

           17              candidate an obstructionist, but really it

 

           18              wasn't the candidates that was the

 

           19              obstructionist, it was me.  I found it

 

           20              appalling that they would actually transfer

 

           21              the DPW site to the Ice Box for 198 years

 

           22              for $1, and that's what was in the original

 

           23              ordinance that came to Scranton before you

 

           24              people and, like I said before, none of yous

 

           25              were there, but I was well-founded in


 

 

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            1              reading that.  I read it from cover to

 

            2              cover.

 

            3                      And you're, right I was up there and

 

            4              I said it shouldn't be.  When it came down

 

            5              to the Hotel Hilton, again, I was an

 

            6              obstrutctionist.  It wasn't Gary, I

 

            7              shouldn't mention his name, I'm sorry, but

 

            8              they weren't obstructionists I was because I

 

            9              read the backup and I didn't think it was

 

           10              fair to the taxpayers.  All of the times I

 

           11              come before council I think of the

 

           12              taxpayers, I think more than some of yous up

 

           13              there.  I don't know why, but for some

 

           14              reason or other I do love this city real,

 

           15              real deeply.  I don't think there is too

 

           16              many people that like it more deeply than me

 

           17              because I had a whole wonderful life in this

 

           18              city, in West Side was a golden age to grow

 

           19              up in.  And like I said many a times, the

 

           20              city is a city and the reason why I came

 

           21              really became such an obstructionist is like

 

           22              I told the other councils, I want to slide

 

           23              in.  I'm getting up in age and I wanted to

 

           24              slide out nice and easy.  I don't want to

 

           25              have to worry about this, that, or can I


 

 

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            1              afford to pay the taxes on my house or am I

 

            2              going to be penalize out of my house or is

 

            3              somebody going to come around telling me I

 

            4              can't do this or I can't do that.  That's

 

            5              the reason why I came.  A woman once told

 

            6              me, you know, keep up, but I told her

 

            7              before, I'm really did it mainly for myself.

 

            8              This is the reason I came to council and

 

            9              probably the reason I continue to come.

 

           10              Thank you.

 

           11                      MR. MCGOFF: John Judge.

 

           12                      MR. JUDGE: Good evening, city

 

           13              council.  My name is John Judge.  I'm the

 

           14              secretary of the IAFF Local 60.  The reason

 

           15              I'm here tonight is I just wanted to clarify

 

           16              some things that were put in the paper and

 

           17              that some of our union members have been

 

           18              asked about.  Obviously, you recall last

 

           19              week was a busy week for our fire

 

           20              department, we had several different fires

 

           21              and because of the extreme heat conditions

 

           22              there was some comments made in the paper by

 

           23              our leadership that we were still using

 

           24              winter liners in our coats and some of

 

           25              our -- some our members were approached by


 

 

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            1              members of the public asking why we would be

 

            2              still be wearing winter liners in the coat

 

            3              and I had never heard of a winter liner

 

            4              before I had heard talk of it, almost like a

 

            5              folk tale, so I did some research on it

 

            6              talking to some of the older members and we

 

            7              felt it was appropriate and we wanted to let

 

            8              the public understand, you know, what we do

 

            9              and also the equipment that we need to wear.

 

           10                      I brought two-piece of equipment ins

 

           11              here, and they are both fire coats, one is

 

           12              mine and one is somebody's that probably

 

           13              could have been my father from way back

 

           14              when.  These coats are designed for a

 

           15              specific purpose with three different layers

 

           16              in them.  Never thought I would be doing

 

           17              show and tell at council meeting nor did I

 

           18              want to, but how this coat is constructed is

 

           19              basically three different layers, the

 

           20              outside, the outer shell, there is a thermal

 

           21              barrier which is right here, okay, and the

 

           22              thermal barrier is now sewn in to the inner

 

           23              liner, okay, and they all serve a different

 

           24              purpose.  There's a vapor barrier on this

 

           25              side, thermal on this side and then an outer


 

 

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            1              shell.

 

            2                      The reason they sewed them together

 

            3              was firefighters back in the 70's and 60's

 

            4              used to take the liners out.  You can see

 

            5              this a fairly old coat.  This coat, once

 

            6              again, has three different liners to it,

 

            7              okay, just like mine.  The only difference

 

            8              is the two inner linings will actually come

 

            9              apart, okay?  So you have your outer liner,

 

           10              your vapor barrier and your thermal which

 

           11              gives you the actual protection from the

 

           12              radiant heat.  They are designed, there is

 

           13              an NFP standard, 1971 and it gets updated I

 

           14              think every four years and it's -- it went

 

           15              into effect in 1975 and it tells

 

           16              manufacturers how to build this equipment.

 

           17              They are both built by the same company,

 

           18              Morning Pride.

 

           19                      What would happen years ago is some

 

           20              of the firefighters would take this lining

 

           21              out in the winter -- our excuse me, in the

 

           22              summer because it was thermal.  It wasn't

 

           23              designed to do that.  The design of the

 

           24              coat, I'll just refer to one of our members

 

           25              had a catalogue from 1979, and what it says


 

 

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            1              is, "Inner linings are a firefighters'

 

            2              suit's protection reserve.  The linings

 

            3              function is to insulate against conductive

 

            4              heat.  This is so important that the lining

 

            5              must be used in the summer as well as the

 

            6              winter."

 

            7                      They were never designed to be

 

            8              pulled apart, but once again, we have

 

            9              somebody that's, you know, of the old school

 

           10              mentality that doesn't understand how we are

 

           11              operating and it becomes very frustrating

 

           12              for us that we get questioned like this when

 

           13              we have a leader that doesn't understand it.

 

           14                      We have had other issues this week

 

           15              which we have brought to, you know, Director

 

           16              Hayes in the past over statements.  If you

 

           17              read any one of the print medias last week

 

           18              or looked on Channel 16 you would have saw

 

           19              we had a couple of firefighters that were

 

           20              injured, some of them had some pretty

 

           21              significant injuries.  Their names were

 

           22              mentioned.  Correct me if I'm wrong, and I'm

 

           23              sure Mrs. Gatelli is aware of HIPPA

 

           24              violations, but it's very restrictive.  You

 

           25              are not to make those type of statements in


 

 

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            1              the print media.  He has been told that

 

            2              before and, once again, we had four of our

 

            3              members other the last month by name and

 

            4              injury placed in the print media, sometimes

 

            5              even before the family is notified that he

 

            6              is at the hospital which becomes a real

 

            7              burden for us because it's happened on two

 

            8              other occasions.

 

            9                      Last week one of the fires, our

 

           10              inspectors were actively digging out a fire

 

           11              in West Side to determine the origin and

 

           12              cause and somebody from the print media

 

           13              showed up and goes, "I hear it's arson."

 

           14                      And I said, "We haven't made that

 

           15              determination yet."

 

           16                      Your "chief we, just got off your

 

           17              phone with the fire chief he told us it was

 

           18              arson."

 

           19                      They are in the middle of digging

 

           20              out this fire to determine cause and origin

 

           21              and they are running into obstacles at every

 

           22              step.

 

           23                      We just want to be able to educate

 

           24              members of the public, you know, this the

 

           25              way we operate, you know, in this turnout


 

 

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            1              here, I mean, if anybody wants to take a

 

            2              look at it it's very cumbersome.  It's very

 

            3              restrictive, but it's what we need to

 

            4              protect us for up to 2,000 degrees of

 

            5              radiant heat inside of a burning building.

 

            6              All of these liners together give us that

 

            7              protective envelope that's going to be able

 

            8              to protect us from those type of

 

            9              environments, so we can make, you know,

 

           10              potential rescues.

 

           11                      But we just want to educate you, let

 

           12              you understand that we are still dealing

 

           13              with the same problems that we have brought

 

           14              to this council a year ago and nothing has

 

           15              been done.  Nothing has been done to kind of

 

           16              mitigate this and we are looking for some

 

           17              direction here.  Thank you for your time.

 

           18                      MR. MCGOFF: Les Spindler.

 

           19                      MR. SPINDLER: Good evening, Council.

 

           20              Les Spindler, city resident and homeowner.

 

           21              I want to speak about this flyer I got in

 

           22              the mail last week where Mayor Doherty says

 

           23              he is keeping our city safe, and I want to

 

           24              read something from the newspaper from

 

           25              March 29, "For the first time in eight years


 

 

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            1              there is Scranton police foot patrol

 

            2              downtown."

 

            3                      We have one person walking the beat

 

            4              downtown, but the problem is there is no

 

            5              major crime in downtown.  The major crimes

 

            6              are in the neighborhoods.  Why don't we have

 

            7              beat cops in the neighborhood?  There has

 

            8              been shootings in South Side.  Last week on

 

            9              Thursday night there was a car chase and it

 

           10              ended up with shots being fired on Theodore

 

           11              Street.  Nothing reported in the Doherty

 

           12              newsletter, but Channel 16 reported it.

 

           13                      Last Friday night, a few blocks from

 

           14              my house at the Tripp Park Development, at

 

           15              the baseball field, I mean, a car pulled up

 

           16              into the community center parking lot and

 

           17              pulled up to the community center, fired

 

           18              shots into the softball field and there were

 

           19              kids there at 11:00 at night.  Thank God

 

           20              nobody was hurt.  The police came and found

 

           21              39 millimeters shell casings on the ground.

 

           22              Nothing in the newspaper again.  The Doherty

 

           23              newsletter is trying to hide the crime that

 

           24              this city is being ravaged with crime.

 

           25                      A gentleman from Cedar Avenue came


 

 

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            1              up to me yesterday, said he owns a house on

 

            2              Cedar Avenue, he won't leave his house to

 

            3              walk his dog unless somebody is with him.

 

            4              When his girlfriend comes over he has to

 

            5              escort her in and out of the house and take

 

            6              her home.  He was going to sell his house

 

            7              until his brother moved in with him.  He

 

            8              said there is drugs being sold right across

 

            9              the street and nothing is being done.  And

 

           10              Mayor Doherty says there is no crime in this

 

           11              city.  It's a darn shame.  It's just his

 

           12              newspaper doesn't report half of crimes that

 

           13              are taking place.

 

           14                      Okay, there is something else called

 

           15              the UCR, it's the uniform crime report.

 

           16              These reports are supposed to be reported to

 

           17              Harrisburg.  For three years they haven't

 

           18              been reported to Harrisburg and that's why

 

           19              it looks like in Sunday's paper he showed

 

           20              how his crime statistics are down, well,

 

           21              they are not down, they are just not

 

           22              reporting to the right places.  Thank you.

 

           23              That's all I have to say about that.

 

           24                      On the commercials, 6,000 new jobs

 

           25              in the city.  I didn't know there is that


 

 

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            1              many people working in city hall.  If there

 

            2              was 6,000 new jobs in the city, our

 

            3              municipal service tax would be up.  Our

 

            4              municipal service taxes are down, so to say

 

            5              there is 6,000 new jobs in the city is an

 

            6              out-and-out lie.  If people can believe this

 

            7              man they must be very, very névé.

 

            8                      The medical school, he is taking

 

            9              credit for the medical school.  As I said in

 

           10              the past, I have as much credit for the

 

           11              medical school as Chris Doherty does.  It

 

           12              was Bob Mellow and the Governor.  You

 

           13              shouldn't take credit for things you had

 

           14              nothing to do with.

 

           15                      Last week the fire on Monroe Avenue,

 

           16              we had dozen of our own city firefighters

 

           17              sitting home and meanwhile Throop was

 

           18              called, Dunmore, Clarks Summit, Chinchilla,

 

           19              and yet our own firefighters were sitting

 

           20              home.  What's wrong, they didn't want to pay

 

           21              them overtime?  We had our own men sitting

 

           22              there and we had to call firehouses from all

 

           23              over the area.  Something is wrong with this

 

           24              picture.

 

           25                      The next thing, I wanted to talk


 

 

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            1              about, once again, the 500 block of

 

            2              Lackawanna, everybody keeps bragging about

 

            3              it, well that's a disaster waiting to

 

            4              happen.  Whoever thought of putting that

 

            5              island in the middle of that street I don't

 

            6              know where they got their engineering degree

 

            7              because it's just unbelievable.  Let's just

 

            8              say it's rush out hour and traffic is backed

 

            9              up the length of the block there and an

 

           10              emergency vehicle has to get by, how are

 

           11              they going to get by?  They are going to go

 

           12              on the island in the middle of the street?

 

           13              I don't think so. It's a safety hazard and I

 

           14              don't know whose idea it was to put that

 

           15              there.

 

           16                      Mrs. Gatelli, 0last week you asked

 

           17              who sold the golf course and the South Side

 

           18              Complex, well, I'll tell you who it was, it

 

           19              was Mayor Doherty with the council of

 

           20              Mr. Murphy, Mr. Pocius, Mr. Hazzouri and

 

           21              Mr. Gilhooley and Mr. Reap, and that was the

 

           22              council because I was come hearing to those

 

           23              meetings then.

 

           24                      And lastly, everybody is speaking

 

           25              out against the closing of the Scranton


 

 

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            1              State School for the Deaf except I don't

 

            2              hear anything from Chris Doherty.  It's a

 

            3              major part of this city and it will be a

 

            4              crime if this place is closed and Chris

 

            5              Doherty hasn't said a word about the State

 

            6              School for the Deaf.  Maybe it's because Ed

 

            7              Rendell won't let him say anything?

 

            8                      By the way, I'm sorry, but I forgot,

 

            9              Mr. McGoff and Mrs. Evans, welcome back.

 

           10              It's good to have you back.

 

           11                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.

 

           12                      MS. EVANS: Thank you.

 

           13                      MR. MCGOFF: Doug Miller.

 

           14                      MR. MILLER:  Good evening, Council,

 

           15              Doug Miller, Scranton.  I'd like to welcome

 

           16              Mr. McGoff and Ms. Evans back.  I'm glad to

 

           17              see you are feeling a little bit better.

 

           18                      MS. EVANS: Thank you.

 

           19                      MR. MILLER:  Last evening myself and

 

           20              a few others had the opportunity to attend

 

           21              the Scranton Recreation Authority meeting

 

           22              down at the Weston field house and there was

 

           23              a question posed regarding Genesis and they

 

           24              had it on their agenda, and one of the

 

           25              questions that I had asked the authority was


 

 

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            1              a question that a lot of us asked and we

 

            2              really never got a straight answer and that

 

            3              was why was Genesis really closed, and we

 

            4              got excuses that it was going due to the

 

            5              economy, and the city could no longer

 

            6              provide funding and on and on and on, so

 

            7              many excuses.  But when I posed the question

 

            8              to the group I got an answer from

 

            9              Mr. Maranuchi that Genesis was closed

 

           10              because the PA Game Commission closed it.

 

           11              He said, "Call them yourself, they will tell

 

           12              you."

 

           13                      So, I took it upon myself to call

 

           14              them this afternoon and they told me they

 

           15              had absolutely nothing to do with Genesis

 

           16              closing.  They had no input on it, they

 

           17              weren't involved at all.  As a matter of

 

           18              fact, a few weeks ago the commission was up

 

           19              at Genesis to conduct an inspection and

 

           20              Genesis passed, so if anything, the game

 

           21              commission was on Genesis side, so the

 

           22              statements that Mr. Maranuchi made last

 

           23              night were totally inaccurate and as a

 

           24              member of the board you would think he would

 

           25              have his facts in order.


 

 

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            1                      And so we are still at the same

 

            2              point we were at and we still are awaiting

 

            3              for a real answer why was Genesis really

 

            4              closed?  Did the mayor close it?  Did

 

            5              council close it?  Did the Recreation close

 

            6              it?  Did Beatrice Heveran, the bully, close

 

            7              it?  We are still waiting for the answers

 

            8              and I don't think we are going to be

 

            9              satisfied until we get one.

 

           10                      You know, as you all are aware a few

 

           11              weeks back Mr. Morgan and I began

 

           12              circulating petitions across the city in

 

           13              support of Genesis, and as you can see here

 

           14              tonight I have a whole stack them.  This is

 

           15              just some of them.  There were thousands

 

           16              collected and, unfortunately, these people

 

           17              here were ignored and weren't allowed to

 

           18              give an input on the future of the Genesis

 

           19              Center and it's ashame because it's our

 

           20              Wildlife Center, not the mayor's, not the

 

           21              Recreation Authority, these people were

 

           22              ignored and it's ashame.

 

           23                      A few weeks ago, council had

 

           24              responded to a letter that was sent by the

 

           25              Boy Scouts there was some criticism on the


 

 

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            1              Kanjorski bridge, that is the bridge to no

 

            2              where and everything, and I believe there

 

            3              was someone on here that read a letter from

 

            4              the Scouts saying that, you know, they are

 

            5              insulted that people knocked the bridge

 

            6              project and that nobody uses it and that

 

            7              they camped out in the back with their

 

            8              Scouts one night.  Well, I think the one

 

            9              thing they forgot to mention is that there

 

           10              is no trespassing after dusk, so there was a

 

           11              violation.  Thank you.

 

           12                      MR. MCGOFF: Bob Bolus.

 

           13                      MR. BOLUS: Good evening, Council.

 

           14              Bob Bolus, Scranton.  Nice to see you back,

 

           15              Janet, even though you just about made it in

 

           16              here.

 

           17                      MS. EVANS: Thank you.

 

           18                      MR. BOLUS:  You know, let's start

 

           19              off a little on Genesis.  I attended the

 

           20              Recreation meeting last night and, you know,

 

           21              I'm disturbed that we allowed Chris Doherty

 

           22              and this Heveran to literally kick Genesis

 

           23              out of the City of Scranton.  That belonged

 

           24              to us, not an outsider from Waverly who came

 

           25              in here, she is an attorney, she had no


 

 

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            1              standing here, she had no business even

 

            2              doing what she was doing here, yet it was

 

            3              allowed.  Nobody should have to stand there,

 

            4              but you had to go up and see kids crying

 

            5              hysterically that the park was closed, and

 

            6              the kids -- the zoo was closed or whatever

 

            7              we want to call it.  It belonged to us.

 

            8                      What disturbs me even more the dean

 

            9              to the medical school is the husband of

 

           10              Mrs. Heveran, and I just don't understand

 

           11              why he didn't reign her in and let her stay

 

           12              where she belonged and stay out of the

 

           13              business of Scranton.  He is the head of

 

           14              another tax exempt property in the City of

 

           15              Scranton who is going to get a free ride.

 

           16              Are we going to get free medical service

 

           17              here?  I don't think so.  I'm all for the

 

           18              medical school, I'm all for progress, I'm

 

           19              not for taking advantage of the people in

 

           20              this city and profiteering and putting it to

 

           21              the senior citizens and the people of the

 

           22              city to pay for KOZ and nonprofits.

 

           23                      You know, fees have to be assessed,

 

           24              I'm sick of talking about it, I'm sick of

 

           25              coming to council and saying it for years


 

 

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            1              and years and years and nothing is done.  We

 

            2              have a gas line now that's going from the

 

            3              Alliance Landfill all the way through

 

            4              Taylor, Scranton, Dunmore, and Throop,

 

            5              running along DeNaple's rail line and spur.

 

            6              Remember, the spur was an easement for

 

            7              railroad tracks, not a gas line so again you

 

            8              sit back and see DeNaple's get rich while

 

            9              the City of Scranton takes a beating.  There

 

           10              is no emergency management plan in place and

 

           11              nobody is doing a thing about it.  It's an

 

           12              environmental problem.  It's everything.

 

           13              Nobody has said a word about it because it's

 

           14              election time.  I don't think it should be

 

           15              that way.  I think you need to stop this.

 

           16                      I think we need to know what's going

 

           17              on, I think we need receive money if

 

           18              somebody is profitizing, us making a piece

 

           19              of change or make millions of dollars to the

 

           20              reserve center.  Why isn't he paying for his

 

           21              parking garage and all of the other taxes

 

           22              that are owed in this city?  Where is

 

           23              everybody in this city to collect money and

 

           24              take the burden off the taxpayers?  I don't

 

           25              see it happening.  We do a lot of talking,


 

 

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            1              and that's all we do, but nobody is doing

 

            2              any action and it's time for it.

 

            3                      On East Mountain they are putting

 

            4              water lines across or down alongside the

 

            5              road for the water runoff, long overdue, but

 

            6              it's only a Band-Aid.  The road should have

 

            7              been dug up, done properly, expanded,

 

            8              widened out the way it should be because

 

            9              it's a dangerous road coming off East

 

           10              Mountain from the Friendship House down and

 

           11              yet we're just not doing it the right way,

 

           12              so we always have time to do it over, but we

 

           13              don't have the time and money to do it right

 

           14              the first time, and that's what's wrong in

 

           15              this city.  That's what wrong with the

 

           16              leadership.

 

           17                      You know, millions are given away

 

           18              for credits and the Connell building and I

 

           19              can go on and on and on, the South Side

 

           20              Shopping -- or the South Side Recreation, we

 

           21              lost that.  Everywhere we look in this city

 

           22              we see the University just expanding, and

 

           23              sure we are glad to have you here, but only

 

           24              so many people really receive a benefit out

 

           25              of it, out of the dollars, out of the


 

 

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            1              hundreds of millions that they have made

 

            2              what about the people in the City of

 

            3              Scranton and that's who you are here to

 

            4              represent.  The mayor or anybody else.  It's

 

            5              time to start doing your job because I'm

 

            6              tired of talking about it and so is

 

            7              everybody else.

 

            8                      The stables or the horses up at Nay

 

            9              Aug Park where Genesis is they said, well,

 

           10              they kicked them out because of insurance,

 

           11              well, there are two different insurances,

 

           12              but I'm not going to debate it, it's not my

 

           13              issue.  The people who ran it should be here

 

           14              talking to you about it.  They were there

 

           15              and we weren't.  We need to know what's

 

           16              going on in Nay Aug, so I recommend that we

 

           17              have a town meeting headed by council.  Let

 

           18              the people come in and start speaking their

 

           19              voice publically where they are not shut up

 

           20              in two minutes or five minutes, maybe come

 

           21              up with ideas and concepts to generate

 

           22              funding in Nay Aug, ideas that will make it

 

           23              work instead of coming out of our pockets

 

           24              and spending money to do studies and know

 

           25              that we are doing the study to take care of


 

 

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            1              cronyism and the good ole boy's club and

 

            2              that's what's happening in the city.

 

            3                      We cannot continue the course of

 

            4              conduct we have been doing in this city with

 

            5              grant money just to do a feasibility study

 

            6              that's $170,000 and the end result do

 

            7              nothing about it.  We have engineers, we

 

            8              have retired people that could come by and

 

            9              help us do this.  It's time to take care of

 

           10              our own and stop spending the money and

 

           11              increase the tax base then you will go

 

           12              forward.  Thank you.

 

           13                      MR. MCGOFF: Bill Jackowitz.

 

           14                      MR. JACKOWITZ: I would like to

 

           15              welcome back Councilwoman Evans and Council

 

           16              President McGoff and I would also like to

 

           17              offer a publically apology to councilman --

 

           18              or President McGoff.  A few weeks ago I made

 

           19              an allegation that he was possibly sleeping,

 

           20              possibly he was sick during this period of

 

           21              time, so I would like to apologize to him at

 

           22              this time.

 

           23                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.

 

           24                      MR. JACKOWITZ: Bill Jackowitz,

 

           25              embarrassed South Scranton resident, member


 

 

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            1              of the Taxpayers' Association, retired

 

            2              United States Air Force.  Again, I will say,

 

            3              the person at the podium is the speaker,

 

            4              everybody else are the listeners.

 

            5                      Is the election not city business?

 

            6              Citizens have the right to express their

 

            7              opinions about elected officials or those

 

            8              who are seeking election to the office.  You

 

            9              must remember that Councilwoman Fanucci and

 

           10              Gatelli and Mayor Doherty refused to the

 

           11              invitation to appear at the taxpayer meeting

 

           12              an answer questions that were being asked by

 

           13              the Scranton/Lackawanna Taxpayers'

 

           14              Associates.  How else do we as citizens get

 

           15              answers to our questions?  They are not

 

           16              answered at the weekly council meetings and

 

           17              to my knowledge Councilwoman Gatelli,

 

           18              Fanucci, and Mayor Doherty have not held a

 

           19              town hall meeting where citizens can ask

 

           20              questions.  I agree, a speaker should not

 

           21              come to the podium and campaign for certain

 

           22              candidates or against certain candidates,

 

           23              but to bring up an elected official's voting

 

           24              record or position on an issue is totally

 

           25              acceptable in my opinion.


 

 

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            1                      What are elected officials running

 

            2              from, the truth?  We know that D.A. Jarbola

 

            3              is running away from the Single Tax Office,

 

            4              tax laws were violated, the Single Tax

 

            5              Office Law of 1929.  Who is responsible for

 

            6              this?

 

            7                      What is missing from the

 

            8              Times-Tribune front page picture, Sunday, 3

 

            9              May 2009, and thi is the picture that I'm

 

           10              talking about.  It shows a picture of Mayor

 

           11              Doherty, Chief Elliott and Ray Hayes in

 

           12              front of the Scranton Police Department.

 

           13              What's missing from that picture?  Police

 

           14              officers.  Do you see any police officers in

 

           15              this picture?  No.  Why not?

 

           16                      The article in the paper is all

 

           17              about crime and the police department, but

 

           18              yet the picture shows no pictures of the

 

           19              police officers.  Appointed police chief,

 

           20              appointed public safety director, police

 

           21              chief got a $13,000 raise, the police

 

           22              officers got nothing.  On the inside of the

 

           23              paper you see a picture of the mayor

 

           24              swearing in new police officers.  This

 

           25              picture you see police officers in it


 

 

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            1              because they had to be there because they

 

            2              had to get sworn in.  I think that's a very

 

            3              important point.  Why were the police

 

            4              officers not in this picture?

 

            5                      Okay, there are no police officers,

 

            6              only the mayor appointees, Hayes and

 

            7              Elliott.  By the way, Elliott received a

 

            8              $13,000 a year pay race from Mayor Doherty.

 

            9              Where are the police officers?  There are

 

           10              none in the picture.  Pictures speak louder

 

           11              than words.  The story about our

 

           12              professional police department on Sunday was

 

           13              truthful and accurate, we have a very good

 

           14              police department.  I would like to thank

 

           15              the uniformed officers and the detectives

 

           16              for their dedication to the community.

 

           17              Monday's newspaper pointed out that only

 

           18              25 percent of the streets have been paved

 

           19              and that the infrastructure in the city is

 

           20              crumbling.  Just drive around and look

 

           21              around, I do on a regular basis.

 

           22                      Also as pointed out, the city paid

 

           23              $47,000 for a pothole machine, wasting

 

           24              money.  Whatever happened to the asphalt

 

           25              cutting machine that the city paid $18,000


 

 

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            1              for along with the county and other

 

            2              municipalities?

 

            3                      Tuesdays article shows that the

 

            4              downtown has not been revitalized, just the

 

            5              opposite.  We now have at least 64 empty

 

            6              store fronts downtown, vacant office space,

 

            7              second, third and fourth floors, mall space,

 

            8              Southern Union building and the 500 block of

 

            9              Lackawanna Avenue.  Mayor Doherty counted on

 

           10              Wall Street West and the train to save

 

           11              Scranton.  That train was derailed for

 

           12              31 years, that's how long we have been

 

           13              waiting, and Wall Street collapsed so now we

 

           14              have to count on Senator Mellow medical

 

           15              school to save Scranton.  Time will tell on

 

           16              that one.

 

           17                      You can't run away from the facts

 

           18              and the truth.  Look around and try to find

 

           19              bacon and eggs downtown at 2 a.m.  You will

 

           20              find potholes, craters, for sale and for

 

           21              lease signs and empty streets.  Scranton is

 

           22              not a 24-hour town, maybe 15 hours at best.

 

           23              Scranton has been distressed for 17 years.

 

           24              Mayor Doherty has been mayor for seven and a

 

           25              half of those years.  Mayor Connors for the


 

 

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            1              first nine years.  You can thank past and

 

            2              present mayors and council members for the

 

            3              distressed conditions of Scranton and don't

 

            4              forget Austin Burke and the Scranton Chamber

 

            5              of Commerce for their contributions.

 

            6                      The tree house, dog park, Connell

 

            7              Park and bridge to no where will no help

 

            8              since we have the highest unemployment rate

 

            9              in the state, 8.7 percent, an increase of

 

           10              4.6 percent since 2002.  Higher property

 

           11              taxes and mercantile taxes based on gross

 

           12              income, not net income and no reduction in

 

           13              wage tax.  Residents cannot spend money they

 

           14              do not have.

 

           15                      Medium household income, $34,484

 

           16              annual.  20.5 percent poverty.  Real estate

 

           17              taxes 1 percent increase, why more slumlords

 

           18              will purchase homes in Scranton.  67 percent

 

           19              of the residents in Scranton are renters.

 

           20              You cannot run a city on renters who do not

 

           21              pay taxes.

 

           22                      MR. MCGOFF: Lee Morgan.

 

           23                      MR. MORGAN: Good evening, Council.

 

           24              It is nice to have Mr. McGoff and Mrs. Evans

 

           25              here tonight.  You know what, I sat or stood


 

 

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            1              in the back there and listened to speakers

 

            2              who come up here and I agree with the lot of

 

            3              things that have been said here tonight up

 

            4              to this point, but I think the biggest

 

            5              problem this city faces is that the people

 

            6              have turned their backs on elections and

 

            7              politics.  They want no part of it.  They

 

            8              have just surrendered to the apathy and

 

            9              without struggle there would be no change.

 

           10              They have just lost all faith in all of the

 

           11              elected officials in this city and we need

 

           12              to take a look back and see where some of

 

           13              this has come from.

 

           14                      I have my own opinions on what

 

           15              happened to Genesis.  Now, that's just a

 

           16              small sample of the signatures that were

 

           17              collected, I just grabbed them out of my

 

           18              vehicle today before I came, but during this

 

           19              administration Mr. Doherty has in my opinion

 

           20              strangled all of the people that were

 

           21              bringing good things here.  Channel 61 was

 

           22              absolutely fantastic.  They were hurting for

 

           23              money.  There was no problem with giving

 

           24              $100,000 to ECTV, but there wasn't a dime

 

           25              for Scranton Today.  You take a look at the


 

 

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            1              Genesis Center, the mayor made a lot of

 

            2              promises, spent a lot of money up at Nay Aug

 

            3              and I don't think they have received their

 

            4              funding this year and everybody is wondering

 

            5              in my opinion what happened to Genesis is

 

            6              you intimidated the woman, brought her into

 

            7              Court by somebody who had no standing.  The

 

            8              judge should have immediately thrown that

 

            9              suit out.  Whoever the judge is that heard

 

           10              that case, it's just terrible.  It's smacks

 

           11              of politics.  It really does.  This judge

 

           12              should be ashamed of himself, whoever he

 

           13              might be, okay?  And what you do is you

 

           14              threaten somebody.  Well, you threatened a

 

           15              woman whose most important concern was her

 

           16              animals and now she is trying to decide how

 

           17              she going to save them, so what did she do?

 

           18              She cuts and runs.

 

           19                      As you can see by the signatures

 

           20              that were in Doug Miller's hands, that's

 

           21              only a very small sample and I hope that the

 

           22              residents of this city remember that at

 

           23              election time, that this mayor played

 

           24              politics with that park.  Here is a man who

 

           25              talked about revitalization of the City and


 

 

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            1              dumping tons of money into Nay Aug, and the

 

            2              one thing if you read those signatures is

 

            3              not all of those people were from the city.

 

            4              There were signatures in there from

 

            5              Louisiana.  So, I mean, these people came to

 

            6              the city, found out there was a sanctuary

 

            7              there and went there.  And I thought that

 

            8              was the whole idea behind the park, but I

 

            9              assume now that possibly it wasn't, and when

 

           10              you listen to what Andy Sbaraglia said here

 

           11              today from the podium about Fellows Park

 

           12              $50,000, and then you take at look at the

 

           13              study up there about a new zoo, and you look

 

           14              at all of the other things, the ECTV, all of

 

           15              the other spending that's come, and you know

 

           16              something there was never -- there has never

 

           17              been any plan -- I never even heard anybody

 

           18              explain what happened in the Valentine's Day

 

           19              storm of 2007 when a million dollars was

 

           20              spent.  I don't remember council ever

 

           21              telling us who the contractors were, so what

 

           22              we have done is we've just continually

 

           23              alluded this city.

 

           24                      And I would just like to say from my

 

           25              own viewpoint I have walked the city lately


 

 

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            1              and at one time I thought there were a lot

 

            2              of empty residences, but I'll be honest with

 

            3              you I was shocked by the amount of homes

 

            4              with no people in them.  I'm telling you

 

            5              that from walking the neighborhood.  I'm

 

            6              just shocked, okay?

 

            7                      And all of these discussions about

 

            8              crime, I came to podium like many others

 

            9              over ten years ago, longer than that and

 

           10              talked about the mistake of not having

 

           11              enough police officers and about people

 

           12              selling drugs with cell phones, mobility,

 

           13              and about gangs in the city and,

 

           14              Mr. Courtright, you brought up a couple of

 

           15              weeks ago about the University of Scranton

 

           16              and students, that issue was brought up with

 

           17              this council long, long ago.

 

           18                      And the other thing I don't realize

 

           19              that I can't seem to understand at this

 

           20              point is, why didn't somebody confine the

 

           21              University of Scranton from taking all of

 

           22              these properties and keeping them in one

 

           23              zone?  I thought Mr. Spano brought that up

 

           24              long, long ago, so what's happened here is

 

           25              there has been no change, and the reason


 

 

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            1              there has been no change is because the

 

            2              people they have stopped interacting with

 

            3              their government.  They are hiding in their

 

            4              house and they are leaving one at a time

 

            5              from the city.  They've given up.  They

 

            6              actually have just given up, so when the --

 

            7              another thing I don't understand about

 

            8              politics, and I'm not a politician so I

 

            9              don't understand it, we are all having of

 

           10              these parties and all of that's parties, did

 

           11              Nero have a party when he burnt Rome to the

 

           12              ground?

 

           13                      MR. MCGOFF: Fay Franus.

 

           14                      UNKNOWN AUDIENCE MEMBER: Give them

 

           15              hell, Fran.

 

           16                      MR. MCGOFF:  Excuse me, it's

 

           17              inappropriate.

 

           18                      MS. FRANUS:  I am here this evening

 

           19              to share certain and particular public

 

           20              documents relating to city expenditures

 

           21              relating to the legal representation of

 

           22              Mrs. Gatelli in her libel lawsuit.  I assure

 

           23              this honorable council that my presentation

 

           24              is fully protected by my constitutional

 

           25              rights to free speech, so I respectfully


 

 

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            1              request that I am not subjected to any

 

            2              prejudicial interference during my

 

            3              presentation.

 

            4                      Courtesy of Mr. Renda, I have

 

            5              obtained the billing statements for Mrs.

 

            6              Gatelli's legal representation which I just

 

            7              distributed among each of you along with a

 

            8              Court docket sheet.  At the top right corner

 

            9              of the docket sheet it is stamped certified.

 

           10              The docket sheet lists all of the legal

 

           11              activity in this case.  The billing

 

           12              statements reflect the legal fees charged

 

           13              for Mrs. Gatelli's representation on an

 

           14              hourly basis and the bills are complete with

 

           15              dates.

 

           16                      Please look at the first page of the

 

           17              docket sheet and you will see that a

 

           18              complaint was filed against Mrs. Gatelli as

 

           19              a public official and an individual on

 

           20              April 9, 2007.  Now, look at the third entry

 

           21              down after the date of April 24, 2007, that

 

           22              is when Attorney Reihner filed her answer to

 

           23              the complaint, but a close look shows she

 

           24              also filed a private counterclaim.  I have a

 

           25              copy of Mrs. Gatelli's answer and


 

 

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            1              counterclaim right here.  It's a total of 83

 

            2              pages long.  The first 23 pages represent

 

            3              Mrs. Gatelli's answer to the complaint, but

 

            4              the remaining 60 pages represent

 

            5              Mrs. Gatelli's private counterclaim.  So,

 

            6              two-thirds of the filing relates to her

 

            7              private counterclaim.

 

            8                      Please look at the first bill from

 

            9              Attorney Reihner.  It shows that he started

 

           10              working on the case April 19, 2007.  Now, go

 

           11              to page three and you will see that by

 

           12              April 24, the date the answer and private

 

           13              counterclaim were filed, Attorney Reihner

 

           14              billed for approximately 120 hours totally

 

           15              in his $9,488.  All things made relative,

 

           16              two-thirds of that bill should be attributed

 

           17              to the private counterclaim because

 

           18              two-thirds of the filing on April 24 was her

 

           19              counterclaim.

 

           20                      Directing your attention back to the

 

           21              docket entry, you will see it is total of

 

           22              four pages long.  All of the legal activity

 

           23              on those four pages, except the entry of

 

           24              Mrs. Gatelli's answer, relates to

 

           25              Mrs. Gatelli's private counterclaim, more


 

 

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            1              particularly, the actions she initiated to

 

            2              try to get the names of various posters on

 

            3              Dohertydeciet.com.

 

            4                      Directing your attention back to

 

            5              Attorney Reihner's bills, please look at

 

            6              Exhibits B, C, D, E, F and G.  Those are his

 

            7              hourly statements that were billed to Foxco

 

            8              Insurance Management Service of Dunmore.

 

            9              Each bill makes clear reference to Gatelli

 

           10              vs. Pilchesky, file No. 5062179.  The bills

 

           11              total $41,930.86, $3,226 of which

 

           12              Mrs. Gatelli has a right to as a public

 

           13              official, but the rest is billing for legal

 

           14              representation on behalf of her private

 

           15              counterclaim which she does not have a right

 

           16              to.

 

           17                      Questions beg to be answered

 

           18              regarding these legal billings, the first of

 

           19              which is this:  Why did Attorney Reihner

 

           20              bill the city at all if Mrs. Gatelli

 

           21              retained him and she is paying for his legal

 

           22              services?

 

           23                      Secondly, if Attorney Reihner was

 

           24              retained by Mrs. Gatelli on a contingency

 

           25              basis, where she'd have no fees unless she


 

 

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            1              won, why is Attorney Reihner billing the

 

            2              city at all?  Why would Attorney Reihner

 

            3              take a losing case on a contingency basis.

 

            4                      The most important question is, can

 

            5              Mrs. Gatelli produce cancelled checks in the

 

            6              amount of $38,704 to prove she paid for her

 

            7              private legal services or is this a case of

 

            8              a public official using government resources

 

            9              for private benefit.

 

           10                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.  Ozzie Quinn.

 

           11                      MR. QUINN:  Ozzie Quinn, Taxpayers'

 

           12              Association.  You know, as president of the

 

           13              Taxpayers' Association my mind is really

 

           14              screwed up when I see this debt,

 

           15              $170 million and what really, you know, I

 

           16              don't know how we are going to pay this

 

           17              thing off, all right?  That's just the

 

           18              principle, but I'm going downtown and parked

 

           19              my car and I see this meter maid, okay,

 

           20              walking down and lo and behold this

 

           21              gentleman retired by Mr. Doherty, okay,

 

           22              Mr. Doherty gave him a package he couldn't

 

           23              refuse and 25 other of the clerks, okay,

 

           24              doubled his pension, full benefits for life

 

           25              for him and his family and he is working for


 

 

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            1              the parking authority.  I mean, come on.

 

            2              How are we going to pay a debt off if we are

 

            3              doing this with all of our money?  This is

 

            4              crazy.  It's crazy.  It's insane for people

 

            5              -- for -- I don't know what to say.  For a

 

            6              mayor to act like that, give a person a

 

            7              double pension, and that's not the only one,

 

            8              there's a bunch of others, too, and I'm not

 

            9              making this up.  I have names if anybody

 

           10              would like to follow-up with it.

 

           11                      Now, again, well, who can trust

 

           12              Mr. Doherty whether he is lying or not like

 

           13              giving another person a job after he --

 

           14              holy.  But the fact is seven years ago he

 

           15              said about nonprofits, that's a fallacy.  He

 

           16              said nonprofits are going to pay their

 

           17              share.  The wage tax, 1/10 a percent is

 

           18              going to go down every year, never went

 

           19              down.

 

           20                      Now, what are we going to do about

 

           21              this here, you know?  You know, you are

 

           22              operating with a budget that's got a hole in

 

           23              it and you are hoping and praying that

 

           24              somebody is going to come up with what,

 

           25              $4.5 million?  You got $1 million, did you?


 

 

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            1              I don't know understand that.  I really

 

            2              don't understand it and, Mrs. Gatelli,

 

            3              Mr. McGoff, and Mrs. Fanucci you raised our

 

            4              taxes and yet you are leaving people who

 

            5              have pensions from the City of Scranton work

 

            6              again double dipping.  You can't do that.

 

            7              Holy -- this is getting really out of hand.

 

            8                      You know, it scares me and, you know

 

            9              what scares me, too, is the fact that, and

 

           10              I'm going to leave now, okay, the fact that

 

           11              you have a guy like Mr. Bolus there, you

 

           12              know, trying to do something good for the

 

           13              people, you know, and he is presented a

 

           14              citation in front of the House of

 

           15              Representatives in Harrisburg, the picture

 

           16              goes into the Scranton Times and they won't

 

           17              print it because he is a candidate.  Well,

 

           18              what the hell is Mr. Doherty?

 

           19                      You know, it's time -- it's time --

 

           20              it's time to really move this along and get

 

           21              this man out of office and let's get the

 

           22              city back to the people where it belongs.

 

           23              Thank you.

 

           24                      MR. MCGOFF: Stephanie Gawel.

 

           25                      MS. GAWEL:  Welcome back, Janet.


 

 

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            1                      MS. EVANS: Thank you.

 

            2                      MS. GAWEL: Welcome back, Mr. McGoff.

 

            3                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.

 

            4                      MS. GAWEL: You were right, Sherry, I

 

            5              was glad to hear about the murals and what

 

            6              they were for.  I have a silly question for

 

            7              you just real quick, do we very any other

 

            8              programs for the kids or do we not do a

 

            9              whole lot because of budgets?

 

           10                      MS. FANUCCI: There is another

 

           11              project called Art in the Park and it's

 

           12              where the children go and they do a certain

 

           13              project.  Now, that's a weekly -- and I

 

           14              think that only run three weeks, so there is

 

           15              another one, also.

 

           16                      MS. GAWEL: Yeah.  Because the reason

 

           17              I asked is I was thinking like if we're

 

           18              worried about budgets and stuff, you know,

 

           19              like I know like a lot of print companies, I

 

           20              mean, and even like the Paper Shop and

 

           21              Expedex, you know, they would pay for all

 

           22              the time and then it gets, you know, that

 

           23              they end of not using or whatever and I'm

 

           24              sure if you checked with them they would be

 

           25              glad to donate it.


 

 

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            1                      MS. FANUCCI: That's a good idea.

 

            2                      MS. GAWEL: You know, it's free paper

 

            3              and then you only have to worry about paints

 

            4              and crayons so the kids could --

 

            5                      MS. FANUCCI: That's great.  Thank

 

            6              you.

 

            7                      MS. GAWEL:  All right.  Now I have

 

            8              to get mean.  I really can't believe how

 

            9              névé and gullible some council are when it

 

           10              comes to, you know -- we all heard the mayor

 

           11              say at least a half a dozen times he was

 

           12              closing the thing.  Nobody ever said

 

           13              anything about a plan before that.  Never.

 

           14              Didn't hear it, you know?  And if the mayor

 

           15              is such a good guy why doesn't he surround

 

           16              himself with -- why does he surround himself

 

           17              with incompetence?  Chief Elliott the way he

 

           18              talked -- the way he talks to his female

 

           19              employees or -- and stuff, the way he treats

 

           20              the rest of the them, these chiefs do not

 

           21              respect their underlings I guess is the word

 

           22              I'm looking for at this point.

 

           23                      And, you know, Ray Hayes, you know,

 

           24              Chief Davis there has been so many

 

           25              complaints against him 98 percent of the


 

 

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            1              guys don't even want him there and nobody

 

            2              seems to be questioning it, nobody is doing

 

            3              anything about it and I don't know how, you

 

            4              know, I always thought the smartest thing

 

            5              about being the chief is that you surrounded

 

            6              yourself with the good people, and I don't

 

            7              see Mayor Doherty doing that at all.

 

            8                      And the reason a lot of us are

 

            9              coming to the meetings continually is

 

           10              because we are hoping to accomplish

 

           11              something.  We really do love this city.  I

 

           12              love where I live.  If it wasn't so

 

           13              dangerous to walk at this point, I used to

 

           14              walk everywhere.  I live in South Side.  I

 

           15              was in walking distance of anything I wanted

 

           16              to do whether it was the drugstore, the

 

           17              grocery store, even the liquor store, it was

 

           18              nice, you know, it was convenient.  And, you

 

           19              know, trust me, I don't walk too much any

 

           20              more, especially in South Side.

 

           21                      Now, my favorite subject again right

 

           22              after Mr. McDowell, have we heard anything

 

           23              yet on Mr. McDowell?

 

           24                      MR. MINORA:  I'm sorry, could you

 

           25              repeat that.  I don't have anything new for


 

 

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            1              you.

 

            2                      MS. GAWEL:  Okay.  Thank you.  Just

 

            3              thought I would bring it up one more time.

 

            4              Don't want to get under their too much.

 

            5                      I think the Times should be ashamed

 

            6              of what it's doing at this point.  It's

 

            7              embarrassing to do what it is doing running

 

            8              this five page -- or five-day story and

 

            9              Mr. Doherty is embarrassing.  It's

 

           10              humiliating and I for one along with several

 

           11              other people have already called and

 

           12              cancelled my subscription because I only

 

           13              bought it for one reason and I can borrow

 

           14              somebody's paper to find out if I need to be

 

           15              at a funeral parlor or not because mostly

 

           16              anything else in that Times you cannot

 

           17              believe.  It is all one-sided.  They should

 

           18              be ashamed of themselves.  They are a

 

           19              monopoly and they know it.  They know they

 

           20              have us by the short ones as you want to put

 

           21              it, and it's embarrassing.

 

           22                      And that's -- oh, no, it isn't.  It

 

           23              was close.  Also, we talked about bringing

 

           24              in the small businesses, they're wonderful

 

           25              and we like having them whether it be


 

 

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            1              restaurants or whatever, well, if somebody

 

            2              had already stated tonight why did we run

 

            3              Channel 61 out of town?  If he wanted

 

            4              another TV station why didn't he put ECTV on

 

            5              Channel 62 and leave Channel 61 to Scranton

 

            6              Tomorrow?  What he did was ashame.  He

 

            7              should be embarrassed.  Again, that station

 

            8              was put up by people of Scranton who worked

 

            9              hard for it, built it to what it is and then

 

           10              let these people, and not that they are not

 

           11              doing a nice job, come in and take over was

 

           12              wrong, and again, he should be ashamed of

 

           13              himself.  But then again, he still doesn't

 

           14              run his business out of Scranton, so there

 

           15              you go.  Have a nice evening, everyone.

 

           16                      MR. MCGOFF: David Dobson.

 

           17                      MR. DOBSON: Good evening, Council.

 

           18              Dave Dobson, resident of Scranton, member of

 

           19              the Taxpayers' Association.  I received a

 

           20              little love letter here addressed to council

 

           21              and in the past, it's kind of comical, but

 

           22              somebody is apparently not happy with my

 

           23              comments about Nay Aug Park.  I would like

 

           24              to point out a few things about that.  Nay

 

           25              Aug lends the concerts --


 

 

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            1                      MR. MCGOFF: Excuse me, Mr. Dobson.

 

            2              Could we please be quiet.  It's very

 

            3              difficult to hear.

 

            4                      MR. DOBSON: Nay Aug --

 

            5                      MR. MCGOFF: I'm sorry, Mr. Dobson.

 

            6                      MR. DOBSON: That's okay.  Wednesday

 

            7              concerts in 2007 took me 20 minutes in line

 

            8              to purchase concessions.  Now, anybody that

 

            9              knows anything about mathematics in this

 

           10              respect must realize that they are making

 

           11              money.  In 2008, no concessions were

 

           12              available on Wednesday night.  I also feel

 

           13              that our old oak trees in Nay Aug Park, some

 

           14              of them are probably 100, 150, maybe even

 

           15              200 years old and they're a tragedy.  They

 

           16              are dying of neglect, cut down and ignored

 

           17              after gypsy moth damage.  It's really ashame

 

           18              and I would love to see things change on

 

           19              that.  Every year I see leaves eaten in half

 

           20              and on the ground and realize that I'm

 

           21              sitting in the sun under an oak tree in the

 

           22              middle of August.

 

           23                      I lost Mr. Gilhooley, not over the

 

           24              jail, I felt that some of those people might

 

           25              have even enjoyed going up to his house and


 

 

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            1              maybe sneaking a lawn cut and being able to

 

            2              see the daylight, but his disregard for kids

 

            3              unable to swim and quoting the dollar amount

 

            4              that they took in over the sliding board, I

 

            5              never complained about the bridge, tree

 

            6              house, Sunday concerts, Davis trail,

 

            7              however, some people questioned the dollar

 

            8              amount that they cost and I have to respect

 

            9              that.

 

           10                      Well, finally, they seem to have a

 

           11              problem with the length of my hair.  Well,

 

           12              my barber tore a muscle in his back, I used

 

           13              to get a haircut up at -- up on Meadow

 

           14              Avenue and he had to have an operation, but

 

           15              seeing that it annoys them I might tell them

 

           16              to just trim it a little.  And, finally, my

 

           17              answer to that person is I simply refuse to

 

           18              live in a world where everyone looks, thinks

 

           19              and acts and believes the same old failed

 

           20              dogma for the last two to 5,000 years.

 

           21              Thank you and have a good night.

 

           22                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr. Dobson.

 

           23              Cathy?

 

           24                      MS. BECK:  Good evening, Council.

 

           25              It's nice to have you back, Janet and


 

 

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            1              Mr. McGoff.  It's great to see you back at

 

            2              city council.

 

            3                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mrs. Beck.

 

            4                      MS. BECK: My name is Cathy Beck,

 

            5              city resident and taxpayer.  It's been quite

 

            6              some time since I have been appeared here at

 

            7              a council meeting, however, a number of

 

            8              recent articles appearing in the

 

            9              Times-Tribune, political flyers that have

 

           10              been sent to my home, and the presentation

 

           11              made last week by Joanne Williams has

 

           12              brought me here this evening.  I know I

 

           13              would not have enough time to address

 

           14              everything I would like to say tonight, so I

 

           15              will address one item and will return next

 

           16              week if possible.

 

           17                      At least week's meeting Joanne

 

           18              Williams asked who was responsible for the

 

           19              red and white yard signs that tell Doherty

 

           20              not to close firehouses.  She referred to

 

           21              them as a scare tactic to try to upset

 

           22              Scrantonians.  The mayor has said he is not

 

           23              closing firehouses.  She wanted whoever put

 

           24              these signs up to take them down.  This is a

 

           25              false political statement.


 

 

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            1                      Let me quote Mayor Doherty from a

 

            2              Times article dated April 21 of this year:

 

            3              "I am not closing any fire stations any time

 

            4              in the near future.  We don't have those

 

            5              dollars today."

 

            6                      We all know too well Mayor Doherty's

 

            7              history of borrowing and spending, so just

 

            8              how far off could station closings be.  He

 

            9              declined to permanently rule out the closing

 

           10              of fire stations as did public safety

 

           11              director Ray Hayes when he stated, "We no

 

           12              plans of closing fire stations at this

 

           13              time."

 

           14                      Let me point out at this time, there

 

           15              are no firemen or policemen in my family,

 

           16              therefore, my comments are not made for

 

           17              personal gain.  My reward is improving

 

           18              public safety.  As long as Mrs. Williams

 

           19              brought up false political statements let's

 

           20              revisit some reelection statements made by

 

           21              Mr. Doherty, even though we may be tired of

 

           22              hearing them:

 

           23                      Number one, "I will not sell the

 

           24              city assets."

 

           25                      This preelected statement was made


 

 

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            1              not long before he sold the South Side

 

            2              Complex and the municipal golf course.

 

            3                      Two, "I will be the sixth

 

            4              councilman."

 

            5                      He attended one meeting in seven

 

            6              years and that was to get something he

 

            7              wanted by casting a tie breaking vote for

 

            8              something which, by the way, wasn't even on

 

            9              the agenda.

 

           10                      Three, "The proceeds from the sale

 

           11              of the golf course were to be placed in a

 

           12              trust fund."

 

           13                      This, of course, never happened.

 

           14              Prior to the last mayoral election the mayor

 

           15              claimed crime was not a problem and gangs

 

           16              did not exist, a subject I may address next

 

           17              week.

 

           18                      Lastly, and of great importance,

 

           19              during the recent presidential campaign then

 

           20              Senator Obama made remark about

 

           21              Pennsylvanians holding onto their bibles and

 

           22              guns.  Shortly thereafter the mayor was

 

           23              asked by radio station WILK to comment on

 

           24              Senator Obama's statement.  Mayor responded

 

           25              by saying, "When Mr. Obama made that


 

 

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            1              statement he was speaking to a small group

 

            2              that he felt comfortable with and when you

 

            3              are speaking to such a group you tell the

 

            4              truth."

 

            5                      This must mean that in order for us

 

            6              to know when Mayor Doherty is speaking the

 

            7              truth we must first know who he is

 

            8              addressing and how comfortable he feels with

 

            9              them.

 

           10                      One more thing, I do not have a do

 

           11              not close the fire station sign in my yard,

 

           12              but if someone would tell me after the

 

           13              meeting where I can get one I'm very

 

           14              interested.  Thank you.

 

           15                      MR. MCGOFF: Marie Schumacher.

 

           16                      MS. SCHUMACHER: Good evening,

 

           17              Council.  I'm disappointed we don't have

 

           18              margaritas and salsa and chips tonight, but

 

           19              I have again a number of small, but I think

 

           20              important things, obviously.  I would like

 

           21              to know what is the threshold for council

 

           22              approving budget transfers?  I looked

 

           23              monthly at the controller's report and there

 

           24              are quite a few transfers even early in the

 

           25              year and what is the dollar amount that


 

 

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            1              forces a transfer to come to this group?

 

            2              Mrs. Gatelli, you are the finance chair?

 

            3                      MS. GATELLI: I think it's 20 or 25.

 

            4                      MS. SCHUMACHER: Thousand dollars?

 

            5              Maybe you could tell us.

 

            6                      MS. EVANS: If I might inject, I

 

            7              think when a transfer is made within a

 

            8              department it really doesn't come to council

 

            9              for our approval, we are made aware of it --

 

           10                      MS. SCHUMACHER: Okay.  Thank you.

 

           11                      MS. EVANS:  -- but we don't vote --

 

           12                      MS. SCHUMACHER: Thank you.

 

           13                      MS. EVANS: -- but an

 

           14              interdepartmental requires a vote.

 

           15                      MS. SCHUMACHER: Thank you.

 

           16                      MS. GATELLI:  Over 20; right?

 

           17                      MS. SCHUMACHER: Now, again to the

 

           18              Genesis Wildlife Center for just a minute,

 

           19              Genesis Wildlife Center is obviously gone

 

           20              forever, but I hope we have learned some

 

           21              lessons and I hope that there is going to be

 

           22              public input on what happens with that

 

           23              former zoo in the days to come.

 

           24                      I hope, and again, I still don't

 

           25              understand and I have asked before on what


 

 

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            1              the -- on what your role as oversight of

 

            2              these authorities is.  It seems to me that

 

            3              we have an awful lot of unelected people

 

            4              making a lot of decisions that impact us in

 

            5              one way or the another and you people

 

            6              apparently don't care enough to get

 

            7              involved, and I think it would be nice if --

 

            8              it would be nice if Ozzie Quinn suggestion

 

            9              that all authority meetings occur in this

 

           10              council chambers and be broadcast on the

 

           11              city's public access channel.  I think that

 

           12              would help to go a long way so people could

 

           13              be informed, they would know what they are,

 

           14              for instance, the Recreation Authority I

 

           15              believe posts their schedule once.  They

 

           16              post the entire year's schedule and then

 

           17              that's it.  So, if somebody hasn't clipped

 

           18              that out of the legal notices they have no

 

           19              idea when to go.

 

           20                      So I hope that as we move forward on

 

           21              the Genesis Wildlife Center that that space,

 

           22              the old zoo, there will be a public hearing

 

           23              and public input will be sought.

 

           24                      And then since I obviously did go to

 

           25              the Rec Authority meeting last night, I do


 

 

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            1              want to report, Mrs. Gatelli, awhile back

 

            2              you said that the proceeds from the holiday

 

            3              show went to the conservancy and I

 

            4              questioned that at the time and it's not

 

            5              true, I asked last night.  It goes to the

 

            6              authority, to the Recreation Authority.

 

            7                      And now a slight diversion because

 

            8              I'm -- this next issue, although it's

 

            9              something I'm interested in as well, I was

 

           10              called this afternoon by a good friend of

 

           11              mine who can't make it to council meetings

 

           12              and asked that I would respectfully ask for

 

           13              an accounting of the 6,000 jobs that the

 

           14              mayor claims he has created, maybe by

 

           15              company.  If you could maybe in motions

 

           16              ask --  vote to ask the mayor to provide

 

           17              these 6,000 jobs by company that would be

 

           18              nice.  If not, there is always

 

           19              Right-to-Know.

 

           20                      The Ice Box, I don't understand why

 

           21              there could be any hindrance to getting that

 

           22              $600,000.  Mr. Minora said last week that in

 

           23              his conversation with the Redevelopment

 

           24              Authority solicitor, there are still

 

           25              obstacles.  Why would they have sent that


 

 

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            1              agreement over three years ago to this body

 

            2              which this body then chose not to take

 

            3              action on if it was not complete, and I

 

            4              would like to know by next week if

 

            5              Mr. Minora doesn't have that information

 

            6              tonight what those obstacles -- what those

 

            7              particular obstacles --

 

            8                      MR. MINORA:  They are not obstacles.

 

            9              They are prerequisites.  They have to be met

 

           10              before an obligation begins.  It's a

 

           11              contractual prerequisite, it's not an

 

           12              obstacle.

 

           13                      MS. SCHUMACHER:  How could they have

 

           14              submitted that agreement three years ago --

 

           15                      MR. MINORA:  That was submitted with

 

           16              different terms as an offer as opposed to

 

           17              waiting for the prerequisites and the

 

           18              completion of the agreement.  It was offered

 

           19              in the alternative not as part of the

 

           20              agreement.

 

           21                      MS. SCHUMACHER: So they are

 

           22              prerequisites.  I will write a

 

           23              Right-to-Know, prerequisites to what, so I

 

           24              get the terminology correct?

 

           25                      MR. MINORA:  They are prerequisites


 

 

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            1              before payment is due.

 

            2                      MS. SCHUMACHER: Okay.

 

            3                      MR. MINORA: I don't know what you

 

            4              are asking me.

 

            5                      MS. SCHUMACHER: Thank you.  And then

 

            6              recently in the Times-Tribune there was an

 

            7              article saying a probe was urged of the

 

            8              pension in Dunmore, and within that article

 

            9              it noted that Scranton's portfolio dropped

 

           10              about 35 percent or $26.7 million and I am

 

           11              wondering whether this council is going to

 

           12              have some kind of hearing or hear from our

 

           13              investment -- whoever handles the investment

 

           14              on why we lost that much money.  So I'll be

 

           15              back with the rest next week, good Lord

 

           16              willing.  Thank you.

 

           17                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.  In other

 

           18              speakers?

 

           19                      MS. BRIZINSKI:  Good evening.

 

           20              Gloria Brizinski, city resident, taxpayer,

 

           21              voter.  I was wondering if any of you kept

 

           22              track of the status of my property at 1212

 

           23              Cedar Avenue that you passed into

 

           24              litigation?  No?  You probably have long

 

           25              forgotten about me, but not I you.  It has


 

 

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            1              been one year, six months and 19 days,

 

            2              exactly 567 days total since all of you

 

            3              singly chose to ignore the simple black and

 

            4              white information in front of you and with

 

            5              haste and misinformation threw my family of

 

            6              Scranton into the turmoil of an unending

 

            7              corrupt legal system in our city.

 

            8                      My family has endured through legal

 

            9              fees and mumbo-jumbo brought on by the city

 

           10              lawyers without any inkling of a resolve to

 

           11              this date.  Let's get this straight, we are

 

           12              paying taxes so that the city lawyers can

 

           13              fight against us.  Does that make any sense?

 

           14              It doesn't to me.  The taxpayers should not

 

           15              have to fund this travesty anymore.

 

           16              Strangely enough, the parcel in question

 

           17              falls in the section of our city seeking

 

           18              funding through the Elm Street project.  Any

 

           19              word on that yet?  Elm Street project?  No?

 

           20                      MS. GATELLI: They are waiting for

 

           21              approval.

 

           22                      MS. BRIZINSKI: Well, we will

 

           23              continue to hang on until hopefully the Elm

 

           24              Street project comes to fruition and we get

 

           25              our piece of the pie.  All that my family


 

 

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            1              wanted was a little time and consideration

 

            2              of the facts at hand, but we were ignored.

 

            3              We are a decent, loving, hard-working family

 

            4              that wants this city to succeed because we

 

            5              live here.  In return, this elected

 

            6              administration has greatly wronged us.  My

 

            7              oldest daughter, a violinist, represented

 

            8              Scranton High School at Carnegie Hall and

 

            9              brought nationwide attention to Scranton on

 

           10              NBC's Today Show.

 

           11                      My youngest daughter just last week

 

           12              received a second place award in the state

 

           13              for film production.  When asked by

 

           14              Miss Pennsylvania where she represented she

 

           15              replied with pride, "South Scranton

 

           16              Intermediate School."

 

           17                      My family has done nothing but try

 

           18              to better the name of Scranton, but the

 

           19              elected public officials only stab us in the

 

           20              back.  Do you want to know who knows about

 

           21              the families?  My husband and I are families

 

           22              of Scranton for over 100 years.  We chose to

 

           23              raise our family here.  I will continue to

 

           24              frequent the council meetings when possible

 

           25              until answers are received.  I urge all


 

 

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            1              families, especially the voters of Scranton,

 

            2              to chose wisely in the upcoming election.

 

            3              Candidates make a lot of false claims

 

            4              helping people, for the people, safe

 

            5              neighborhoods, more arts and more music in

 

            6              Scranton to attract people, but what about

 

            7              the people who are already here?  And we

 

            8              have stuck it out over the years, tax after

 

            9              tax after wage tax.

 

           10                      Scranton is not made up of malls,

 

           11              big businesses, colleges and buildings, it

 

           12              is the people who make up Scranton, and I

 

           13              have to say if there is a mass exodus no

 

           14              business or school can survive.  If families

 

           15              are treated like my family has been treated

 

           16              I doubt they will stay.

 

           17                      More recently there has been no less

 

           18              than three shootings in my neighborhood of

 

           19              South Side alone over a few months or at

 

           20              least those that were reported to us.  I

 

           21              have never felt more concerned about my

 

           22              family's safety.  I am afraid to let my

 

           23              children ride their bikes or shop at the

 

           24              Steamtown Mall.

 

           25                      I can only hope that voters wake up


 

 

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            1              and chose wisely those people who can and

 

            2              will justly represent the people and

 

            3              families of Scranton.  Enough of the old

 

            4              closed door politics, time for a change on

 

            5              all levels.

 

            6                      In closing, I would like to wish

 

            7              everyone a Happy's Mother's Day here present

 

            8              and everyone watching.  I know that it good

 

            9              mother will fight for what is due her child

 

           10              at any cost until the finish.  Thank you.

 

           11                      MS. HUMPHRIES:  Everyone, you think

 

           12              this is funny, but it isn't.  I'm kind of in

 

           13              Honor here of Mr. Robeson and all of the

 

           14              firefighters and the police department that

 

           15              died throughout their life in September 11.

 

           16              This is an FBI action play set.  This

 

           17              represents all of my FBI guys that fought,

 

           18              died and gave -- was given a lot of false

 

           19              information by evil, corrupt, selfish

 

           20              people.

 

           21                      This represents the police

 

           22              department.  Now, I'm working on something,

 

           23              and this is what I found out, vandalism

 

           24              2,359; cleared 1,681.  The officers used --

 

           25              there is 300 males, 800 females.  Of all of


 

 

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            1              the offenses there is 1,659 clear and

 

            2              10,132.  When you say cleared, did they go

 

            3              to Court or which is the story there when

 

            4              you say cleared?  That's 2008, there's a

 

            5              791.1 percent.  The offenses against family

 

            6              and children 182, 41 cleared, 86 percent and

 

            7              then there's a slash .8 percent rape per 100

 

            8              thousands.

 

            9                      Sex offenses, I'm a survivor, except

 

           10              forcible rape, 162/52.  Clear to

 

           11              55.3 percent.  2001, Mayor James Connors,

 

           12              president of council; Alex Hazzouri,

 

           13              vice-president of council; Christopher

 

           14              Doherty, council; John Pocius; Councilman

 

           15              Brian Reap; Councilman Kevin Murphy; and

 

           16              Councilman -- there is a blank there.

 

           17              Councilman about -- blank again.  Tax

 

           18              collector, Joseph Dougherty, he had a

 

           19              different spelling.  Controller, Roseanne

 

           20              Novembrino; treasurer -- city clerk, P.J.

 

           21              Wintermantle; business administrator, Brian

 

           22              M. Nixon, Esquire; director of community

 

           23              deed or inspection and cleansing --

 

           24              cleansing, licensing Mary Alice Burke;

 

           25              solicitor, Attorney James Mulligan;


 

 

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            1              engineer, Ronald A. Bienski; chief of police

 

            2              James Klee; fire chief, God bless him, Harry

 

            3              Applegate.

 

            4                      Now, I'm going to go to 2001,

 

            5              September 7.  Blakely Borough, Mayor Klinko;

 

            6              president of council, Edward Ghilardi.  They

 

            7              have people that are in the -- Chris and

 

            8              Frank are in my prayer group, Frank is

 

            9              president of council, Robert Munley;

 

           10              Councilman Patrick Stanvich; Councilman Ed

 

           11              Falko; Councilman Michael Henz; Councilman

 

           12              John Kordish; Councilman Thomas Bestroy; tax

 

           13              collector Robert Castellano; controller

 

           14              Dennis Carval; District Justice, Joe

 

           15              Todzylowski.

 

           16                      I went to Joe to file charges

 

           17              against Mr. West and they refused

 

           18              everything.  When I went across to the

 

           19              District Attorney's Office in Scranton the

 

           20              sheriffs all blocked me, Mr. Davis was

 

           21              involved with the sheriffs.  There has been

 

           22              a conspiracy here.  Borough secretary Harold

 

           23              McCluster, some of these people are

 

           24              innocent.  The engineer, Robert Burnoski,

 

           25              the police chief Joe Williams, Christopher


 

 

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            1              -- now, this is the Blakely Borough.

 

            2                      As we go to it, it will go on and on

 

            3              and on.  Where is that newspaper boy?  Could

 

            4              you stand up and give me your name?

 

            5                      MR. MCGOFF: Phyllis.

 

            6                      MS. HUMPHRIES: He doesn't want to

 

            7              give his name because you know what, there

 

            8              is a thing called obstruction of justice --

 

            9                      MR. MCGOFF: Please, Phyllis.

 

           10                      MS. HUMPHRIES: There is a thing

 

           11              called freedom of the press.  They are not

 

           12              telling everything what's happening here in

 

           13              the City of Scranton.

 

           14                      MR. MCGOFF: Phyllis.

 

           15                      MS. HUMPHRIES: This is wrong.

 

           16                      MR. MCGOFF:  Thank you, Phyllis.

 

           17                      MS. HUMPHRIES: Not only thank you,

 

           18              you are welcome, I have more to tell.

 

           19                      MR. MCGOFF: No.  Phyllis.

 

           20                      MS. HUMPHRIES: Everything that's

 

           21              going to go to Bishop Martino tonight will

 

           22              go to the CIA because there's not going to

 

           23              be people working on construction at the

 

           24              Pentagon or any place for what they did.

 

           25              They screwed over our FBI guys and let the


 

 

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            1              World Trade Center go down.

 

            2                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Phyllis.

 

            3                      MR. MCGOFF: Please stop.  Thank you.

 

            4                      MS. HUMPHRIES:  And that's the

 

            5              truth.

 

            6                      MR. MCGOFF: Phyllis.

 

            7                      MS. HUMPHRIES:  And I'm sure he's

 

            8              not going to put none of this in the paper.

 

            9                      MR. MCGOFF: Phyllis, please.

 

           10                      MS. HUMPHRIES: And Mr. Robson was

 

           11              going to testify to me, what happened to

 

           12              him.

 

           13                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Phyllis.

 

           14                      MR. MCGOFF: Phyllis.  You have --

 

           15              too much.  Next speaker, please.

 

           16                      MR. STUCKER:  They are parking a lot

 

           17              of cars on the sidewalks again.  Everywhere

 

           18              I ride the bike yesterday, everywhere I go

 

           19              walking or not walking the cars were on the

 

           20              sidewalk, you can't walk.

 

           21                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  We are looking the

 

           22              that, Jim.

 

           23                      MR. STUCKER: And I'm glad I came to

 

           24              the party, Gary DiBileo's, I'm glad I came.

 

           25              Everybody was happy for me to go, and I got


 

 

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            1              Janet Evans something nice.

 

            2                      MS. EVANS: Oh, you did.  Thank you

 

            3              so much, Jim.  Jim got me two beautiful

 

            4              plants --

 

            5                      MR. STUCKER: Yeah.

 

            6                      MS. EVANS: -- while I was recovering

 

            7              so thank you so much.

 

            8                      MR. STUCKER: And I want you to take

 

            9              them home with you.

 

           10                      MS. EVANS: I did.  I took them home.

 

           11                      MR. STUCKER: Take them home and

 

           12              plant them.

 

           13                      MS. EVANS: Yes.

 

           14                      MR. STUCKER:  And I owe you two

 

           15              bucks.

 

           16                      MR. COURTRIGHT: No, that's okay,

 

           17              Jim, you can keep it.  That's okay, no

 

           18              problem.

 

           19                      MR. STUCKER:  And I have been

 

           20              thinking about you, Janet, I got your

 

           21              picture --

 

           22                      MS. EVANS: Thank --

 

           23                      MR. STUCKER: --  in the window.

 

           24                      MS. EVANS: Oh, thank you.

 

           25                      MR. STUCKER:  I got Gary's picture


 

 

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            1              in the window.

 

            2                      MS. EVANS: Thank you.

 

            3                      MR. STUCKER: And I want to see him

 

            4              win, that's the big thing.  I hope he wins

 

            5              and I hope -- I want to see you win and both

 

            6              of you, too.

 

            7                      MS. EVANS: Thank you.

 

            8                      MR. STUCKER: Yeah.  The city is --

 

            9              it's about time the city do something.  Yep.

 

           10              I would like to see maybe they fix the

 

           11              lights on Greenridge, the red lights are

 

           12              out, and the ones by Sheeley's Drug Store is

 

           13              out.

 

           14                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Okay, Jim.

 

           15                      MR. STUCKER: They are all out.  Can

 

           16              you put a sign up on the sign where Danny's

 

           17              shop -- Danny's drug store is that says "No

 

           18              Parking" on the corner.  I see people

 

           19              parking on the corner, there is no meters

 

           20              there in front of Sheeley's.

 

           21                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Sheeley's, okay.

 

           22                      MR. STUCKER: And right around the

 

           23              corner, too, at Sheeley's they park in there

 

           24              and there no meters there.

 

           25                      MR. COURTRIGHT: They are not


 

 

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            1              supposed to park there, Jim.

 

            2                      MR. STUCKER: Yeah, all of the way up

 

            3              by that Tink's bar.  Tink's bar, all the way

 

            4              up to the corner.

 

            5                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Well, no, just at

 

            6              the corner they can't park, Jim.  They are

 

            7              allowed to park on the street.  It's just at

 

            8              the corner.

 

            9                      MR. STUCKER: Well, at Tink's bar

 

           10              there is no meters there, yeah.

 

           11                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Okay.

 

           12                      MR. STUCKER: Yeah?  Okay?

 

           13                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Thank you.

 

           14                      MR. STUCKER:  Congratulations,

 

           15              Janet, everybody wants to see you at the

 

           16              party, I know you couldn't make it so, we

 

           17              were thinking about you up there.

 

           18                      MS. EVANS: Thank you.

 

           19                      MS. ROYCE: Hi.  Good evening.

 

           20              Bernadette Royce.  Recently Mayor Doherty

 

           21              finally said something with which I agree or

 

           22              at least part of it at least.  The mayor was

 

           23              quoted in the Times Report as saying, "I

 

           24              have said publically that I'm not closing

 

           25              any fire stations.  I have said it time and


 

 

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            1              time again.  This is an election tactic."

 

            2                      Let me repeat the part I agree with:

 

            3              This is an election tactic.  I couldn't

 

            4              agree more.  Why?  Because Mayor Doherty has

 

            5              been on record for years stating that he

 

            6              wants to close fire stations and also cut

 

            7              the number of firefighters.

 

            8                      August 31, 2008, the Scranton Times

 

            9              headline:  "Doherty has plans to cut number

 

           10              of firefighters.  Date in Court looms."

 

           11                      Mayor Doherty wants to close

 

           12              stations, "Eight fire stations eventually

 

           13              consolidated to four or five."

 

           14                      And also to cut the firefighters

 

           15              from 150 to 112, a 25 percent reduction in

 

           16              the force.  I want everyone to ask

 

           17              themselves, would they be comfortable with

 

           18              25 percent less police; 25 percent less

 

           19              paramedics; 25 percent less emergency room

 

           20              physicians; 25 percent less emergency room

 

           21              nurses.  If not, why would you be

 

           22              comfortable with 25 percent less

 

           23              firefighters?

 

           24                      The Scranton firefighters and their

 

           25              supporters have maintained the same position


 

 

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            1              for years on the side of fire safety for the

 

            2              citizens of Scranton.  Mayor Doherty's

 

            3              position against adequate fire protection

 

            4              levels is also well-documented until, not

 

            5              surprisingly, two months before election.

 

            6              So I ask you, who should you believe?  Those

 

            7              who have argued for safety all along or

 

            8              those who have pledged to decimate the

 

            9              number of firefighters and fire stations

 

           10              until, not surprisingly, he was up for

 

           11              reelection.  When a politician pulls a

 

           12              complete reversal on his position just

 

           13              before an election, I am confident we all

 

           14              know that this is election tactic.  Thank

 

           15              you and have a good evening and Happy

 

           16              Mother's Day.

 

           17                      MS. O'MALLEY: Barbara O'Malley,

 

           18              Scranton resident and taxpayer.  Last summer

 

           19              I came before this body as a representative

 

           20              of the Scranton Today which operated Channel

 

           21              61 for ten years to strenuously object to

 

           22              the proposed $90,000 OECD grant to ECTV.  My

 

           23              objections were founded about concerns about

 

           24              the questionable bidding process, the

 

           25              physical stability of the ECTV principals,


 

 

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            1              and the board composition among other

 

            2              things.

 

            3                      From May of 2008 through October of

 

            4              2008, I attempted to get information from

 

            5              OECD about ECTV's application, the criteria

 

            6              for the award and any supporting

 

            7              documentation.  I never received that

 

            8              documentation.  I believed that it was

 

            9              public information and public money.  With

 

           10              the advent of the new Right-to-Know law in

 

           11              January of 2009, I decided to make another

 

           12              attempt.

 

           13                      On March 2 I sent a letter to Stu

 

           14              Renda, the open records officer for the City

 

           15              of Scranton, and requested all public

 

           16              records pertaining to ECTV which I believe

 

           17              I'm legally entitled to under the

 

           18              Pennsylvania Right-to-Know Law.  On

 

           19              March 10, 2009, I received a reply from

 

           20              Mr. Renda stating that due to the extensive

 

           21              nature of my request the city expected to

 

           22              respond within 30 days, that would be

 

           23              April 10.

 

           24                      On April 22 I called Mr. Renda's

 

           25              office, I spoke to Kristin, she placed a


 

 

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            1              call to OECD and said the records were at

 

            2              the lawyer's office, they should be there by

 

            3              the end of the week.

 

            4                      On Tuesday, April 28, I called

 

            5              Kristin again.  She again called OECD

 

            6              office, Linda Aebli said I would probably

 

            7              have them by Friday.  The date has passed.

 

            8              Today is May 5.  I still don't have the

 

            9              records.

 

           10                      For those who don't know, the new PA

 

           11              Right-to-Know Law requires agencies to

 

           12              respond to citizen's requests within five

 

           13              business days.  The law does provide for an

 

           14              additional 30 days upon certain

 

           15              circumstances according to Terry Muchler,

 

           16              director of PA Office of Open Records.  From

 

           17              my perspective, the City of Scranton is

 

           18              clearly not in any hurry to comply with this

 

           19              law.  Why is it taking over two months for

 

           20              the city to respond to my request?

 

           21                      ECTV records should be easy to

 

           22              retrieve.  The application and the

 

           23              documentation and the awards took place in

 

           24              2008, so barring an unlikely accessibility

 

           25              problem, what is the reason for the delay?


 

 

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            1              Also, the people should be aware that the

 

            2              law bars agencies from requiring a citizen

 

            3              to explain why a record is requested.

 

            4                      I hope the city isn't holding up my

 

            5              request based on assumptions as to the

 

            6              reasons for my request of ECTV records.  My

 

            7              interest in ECTV records is well-known and

 

            8              it stems from the controversy I've described

 

            9              when I came to the podium.  ECTV has been

 

           10              awarded at least $100,000 from the mayor's

 

           11              office and OECD.  It is speculated that the

 

           12              lion's share of the money went to rehab

 

           13              studio space in a building ECTV no longer

 

           14              calls it's office.  There's a sign on the

 

           15              door that says that they are not operating

 

           16              at 933 Prescott Avenue anymore.

 

           17                      So as a taxpayer in the City of

 

           18              Scranton I want to know what safeguards are

 

           19              in place regarding the appropriate use of

 

           20              the public funds and what happens to the

 

           21              money that was invested into remodeling this

 

           22              space which ECTV apparently has vacated or

 

           23              will be, their sign on the door says it's no

 

           24              longer their office space.  I would like to

 

           25              review the loan agreement and the pertinent


 

 

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            1              paperwork between ECTV and the City of

 

            2              Scranton for answers to my questions.  For

 

            3              some reason, that information is being

 

            4              withheld from me.

 

            5                      The original Channel 61, which I was

 

            6              proudly involved with, was founded by

 

            7              citizens of Scranton, originally Scranton

 

            8              Tomorrow, but then we formed our own

 

            9              organization Scranton Today, and we were

 

           10              committed to transparency in government and

 

           11              an informed and engaged electorate.  It's

 

           12              ironic that it's successor, Electric City TV

 

           13              continues to be surrounded by a smoke

 

           14              screen.  Thank you.

 

           15                      MS. KRAKE: Good evening, Council.

 

           16              My name is Nancy Krake and I would like to

 

           17              say welcome back to Mrs. Evans and

 

           18              Mr. McGoff.

 

           19                      MS. EVANS: Thank you.

 

           20                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.

 

           21                      MS. KRAKE: You are welcome.  We have

 

           22              some extra big lies this time in the

 

           23              election year.  Four years ago Mayor Doherty

 

           24              told us he created 3,000 jobs.  This time

 

           25              around he is telling us 6,000 jobs.  Well,


 

 

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            1              pretty much that would be like four

 

            2              Universities of Scranton, six Mercy

 

            3              Hospitals or maybe six CMC's.  I haven't

 

            4              seen them, if they are here they are very

 

            5              well hidden.

 

            6                      I think it's time for a change from

 

            7              all of these lies.  We also had a 27 percent

 

            8              tax increase that was courtesy of

 

            9              Mr. Doherty, Mrs. Gatelli, Mr. McGoff and

 

           10              Mrs. Fanucci.  They also continue to vote

 

           11              over and over again for crippling fines and

 

           12              fees on delinquent real estate taxes.  Huge

 

           13              burdens on our citizens.  You can count on

 

           14              two more 25 percent tax increases if these

 

           15              people are reelected.  I know this because

 

           16              when the Pennsylvania Economy League was

 

           17              here several years ago they told us they

 

           18              needed to see taxes raised 75 percent.  So

 

           19              that's another 50 percent we can look

 

           20              forward to if we reelect Mayor Doherty and

 

           21              the people that support him.

 

           22                      These consultants were hired by Mr.

 

           23              Doherty's best friend, Ed Rendell.  They

 

           24              like to keep us distressed and they like to

 

           25              feed off of our tax dollars.  The one thing


 

 

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            1              they don't like to bring us is the economic

 

            2              change that we need.  We really do need

 

            3              change.  We are not going to get it with the

 

            4              same people in office.  We are going to get

 

            5              more and more of the same.

 

            6                      I'd also like to address the issue

 

            7              of health care.  Mrs. Fanucci likes to tell

 

            8              us, and I'm sure she is getting her

 

            9              information from the administration where

 

           10              she usually gets it, that one of the big

 

           11              reasons we are still distressed is the cost

 

           12              of health care.  Admitted by Mr. Stu Renda

 

           13              under oath in Court on Friday, was the cost

 

           14              of health care has increased for the public

 

           15              safety unions by $4 million since 2002.  The

 

           16              budgets have gone up $22 million.  That

 

           17              hardly would constitute the reason that we

 

           18              are still distressed.  They received no

 

           19              raises in that time, whereas, the

 

           20              administration is up to probably around

 

           21              between seven and eight million

 

           22              cumulatively.

 

           23                      And we also learned tonight from

 

           24              Mr. Renda that they paid very small co-pays

 

           25              while the police and fire are now paying


 

 

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            1              more than double the amount the

 

            2              administration is paying for their health

 

            3              care and they have received no raises over

 

            4              the years, they just received a small one,

 

            5              excuse me, but over the years the

 

            6              administration has been receiving their

 

            7              raises.

 

            8                       I would also like it say that

 

            9              conservatively half of this cost, the

 

           10              four million, would not have been incurred

 

           11              if the mayor had allowed the Health Care

 

           12              Cost Containment Committee to do it's job.

 

           13              The two judges we were in front of on Friday

 

           14              also remarked on the city not utilizing the

 

           15              Health Care Committee since it had been

 

           16              produced millions, that's a key word here,

 

           17              millions of dollars of savings in the past.

 

           18              I remember vividly the Health Care Committee

 

           19              meeting that Harry Miller from the

 

           20              Pennsylvania Economy League walked out of

 

           21              never to return again.  We went from that

 

           22              point to saving $4 million without the

 

           23              Pennsylvania Economy League.

 

           24                      It's time to work together, it's

 

           25              time to get rid of these consultants and the


 

 

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            1              people who want to keep them here, and it's

 

            2              time for change.  Thank you.

 

            3                      MR. LYMAN: Raymond Lyman.  You know,

 

            4              Mrs. Fanucci, do you remember when you

 

            5              accused me of the being a child molester.

 

            6                      MS. FANUCCI: I never did that.

 

            7                      MR. LYMAN:  Oh, yes, you did.  And

 

            8              it was in a police report.

 

            9                      MS. FANUCCI: Never.

 

           10                      MR. MCGOFF: Mr. Lyman --

 

           11                      MS. FANUCCI: I never said that.

 

           12                      MR. MCGOFF: That's out of order.

 

           13                      MS. FANUCCI: Never said it.

 

           14                      MR. LYMAN: No, it isn't.

 

           15                      MR. MCGOFF: Yes, it is.

 

           16                      MR. LYMAN: No, it isn't.  It was a

 

           17              police report put on her when I had --

 

           18                      MR. MCGOFF: Excuse me.

 

           19                      MR. LYMAN: -- four pictures of a

 

           20              catch basin --

 

           21                      MR. MCGOFF: You are out of order.

 

           22                      MR. LYMAN: And you four seen it.

 

           23                      MR. MCGOFF: If are going to --

 

           24                      MR. LYMAN:  And I have a letter here

 

           25              from the ACLU who will defend me in a court


 

 

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            1              of law against her and the law firm.

 

            2                      MS. FANUCCI: They should then.  I

 

            3              never said that.

 

            4                      MR. LYMAN: And I will sue you for

 

            5              slander and that idiot district attorney.

 

            6                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Oh.

 

            7                      MR. MCGOFF: You out of order, please

 

            8              leave the podium.

 

            9                      MR. LYMAN: No, I'm not out of order.

 

           10                      MR. MCGOFF: Please leave the podium.

 

           11                      MR. LYMAN: Well, I have a letter

 

           12              here that says my rights were violated by

 

           13              you, Mr. McGoff, each time you say I'm out

 

           14              of order -- I'm not fighting here.

 

           15                      MR. MCGOFF: Ray --

 

           16                      MR. LYMAN: I'm just talking.

 

           17                      MR. MCGOFF: It's time to leave the

 

           18              podium.

 

           19                      MR. LYMAN: No, it's not time to

 

           20              leave the podium.

 

           21                      MR. MCGOFF:  The officer is going to

 

           22              come and remove you.

 

           23                      MR. LYMAN: My letter says I can

 

           24              speak, you cannot violate me saying out of

 

           25              order because you hate my guts.


 

 

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            1                      MR. MCGOFF: Pleas.  Ray.

 

            2                      MR. LYMAN: My lawyer and the ACLU

 

            3              said in this letter that I could go and

 

            4              speak.

 

            5                      MR. MCGOFF: Officer, thank you.

 

            6                      MR. LYMAN: I have five minutes.

 

            7                      THE POLICE OFFICER: Mr. Lyman.

 

            8                      MR. LYMAN:  Don't threaten me.

 

            9                      THE POLICE OFFICER: I'm not

 

           10              threatening you.

 

           11                      MR. LYMAN: I'll call my friend the

 

           12              state trooper and you cannot stop me.

 

           13                      THE POLICE OFFICER: Please step away

 

           14              from the podium now.

 

           15                      MR. LYMAN:  You are not going to

 

           16              arrest me.

 

           17                      THE POLICE OFFICER: Please step

 

           18              down.

 

           19                      MR. LYMAN: No, I have five minutes

 

           20              to speak and I'm going to stay here for the

 

           21              five minutes.

 

           22                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Raymond, Raymond --

 

           23                      MR. MCGOFF: Your time --

 

           24                      MR. LYMAN:  I'm not going to fight.

 

           25              Listen, I have five minutes.  I've got a


 

 

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            1              letter here from the ACLU that I have a

 

            2              right to speak.  He has no right to cut me

 

            3              off.

 

            4                      MR. MINORA: You are out of order.

 

            5                      MR. LYMAN: And I have a right to

 

            6              speak.

 

            7                      THE POLICE OFFICER: You are

 

            8              disrupting a public meeting.

 

            9                      MR. LYMAN: I'm not disrupting the

 

           10              meeting.

 

           11                      THE POLICE OFFICER: Yes, you are.

 

           12                      MR. LYMAN: I have five minutes to

 

           13              speak.

 

           14                      MR. POLICE OFFICER: You are

 

           15              disrupting a public meeting.  Step back.

 

           16                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Raymond, if you

 

           17              don't go you are only going to get yourself

 

           18              in trouble.

 

           19                      MR. LYMAN:  Mr. McGoff, I will have

 

           20              you taken in a court of law and you will be

 

           21              sued for everything you own.

 

           22                      THE POLICE OFFICER: Step back.

 

           23                      MR. LYMAN: And tomorrow I'm going to

 

           24              call the ACLU and they will defend me and

 

           25              I'll sue you, that idiot district attorney


 

 

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            1              and Mrs. Fanucci, and the City of Scranton,

 

            2              and you always hammer violating my civil

 

            3              rights because you are racist against me.  I

 

            4              hope you and that idiot mayor have a big

 

            5              wallet because I'm going to sue you for

 

            6              $10 million.

 

            7                      MR. MCGOFF: Officer.  Thank you.

 

            8                      (Officer escorts Mr. Lyman from the

 

            9              podium.)

 

           10                      MR. LYMAN:  And you better pay up

 

           11              because this tape I'm already tape it.  I

 

           12              can sit here.

 

           13                      MR. MCGOFF: I'm sorry for that.

 

           14                      MR. LYMAN: I can stay here.

 

           15                      MR. MCGOFF: Please.

 

           16                      MR. LYMAN:  No, they told me I could

 

           17              leave the podium that doesn't mean I have to

 

           18              leave.

 

           19                      MR. MCGOFF:  Please, you have been

 

           20              asked to leave.

 

           21                      MR. LYMAN: No, I'm --

 

           22                      (Whereupon the police officer

 

           23              removes Mr. Lyman from Council chambers.)

 

           24                      MR. ELLMAN:  Ronnie Ellman again.

 

           25              Hard act to follow.


 

 

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            1                      MS. GATELLI:  No, not really, they

 

            2              are all about the same here.

 

            3                      MR. ELLMAN: I'm glad to see

 

            4              everybody back in better health.  I think

 

            5              Dave certainly does need a haircut, but like

 

            6              he mentioned before, as usual I got all of

 

            7              these notes over here that I can't read what

 

            8              when I'm up here.  You left to quick the

 

            9              other night, Johnny was doing all of these

 

           10              magic tricks.

 

           11                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I saw them.

 

           12                      MR. ELLMAN: He is not as good as the

 

           13              mayor, he is not nearly that tricky, but he

 

           14              is working at.

 

           15                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I know he does that

 

           16              dollar trick, I don't know if you know the

 

           17              secret or not.

 

           18                      MR. ELLMAN: Well, he changed dollar

 

           19              bills into hundreds except for me.  I got a

 

           20              question, these nonprofits like the house on

 

           21              Monroe, which was a United -- you know, for

 

           22              the home -- it's a nonprofit when they had

 

           23              that fire were these people just like not

 

           24              being paid to fight a fire?

 

           25                      MS. FANUCCI: I don't understand the


 

 

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            1              question.

 

            2                      MR. ELLMAN:  Well, it's nonprofit.

 

            3              We are a supplying firemen and police and

 

            4              everything to -- without -- without cost,

 

            5              aren't we?

 

            6                      MS. FANUCCI: I'm sorry, I --

 

            7                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes.  We are actually a

 

            8              providing to nonprofits.

 

            9                      MR. ELLMAN: They should be billed.

 

           10              They should be -- they should be paid for

 

           11              services, you know, a forth of the city is

 

           12              nonprofit.  It doesn't make sense that you

 

           13              let them -- let the rest of us pay for them,

 

           14              you know, and I just don't understand it.

 

           15              This is deplorable the way things are around

 

           16              here.  I was reading this letter to the

 

           17              editor, some jerk down here in Exeter,

 

           18              George Race, he is telling us how to vote

 

           19              from Exeter.  You know, we had at that lady

 

           20              lived out there in Dalton or someplace got

 

           21              the zoo closed, why don't these people just

 

           22              come here and buy one of these houses, there

 

           23              is 5 or 6,000 houses for sale then they come

 

           24              up here and express themselves like the rest

 

           25              of us.  You know, it's easy when you are


 

 

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            1              down there saying how great everything is

 

            2              when you are not looking forward to

 

            3              having to pay $500 million worth of taxes

 

            4              over the next 30 years or so.

 

            5                      I was wondering if Mr. Doherty's

 

            6              children are going to stay here like

 

            7              Mr. Miller and Mr. Connors' son and be part

 

            8              of this community or are they going to

 

            9              disappear?  I asked someone Sunday and they

 

           10              are probably still laughing about it because

 

           11              they said there wasn't much hope in that.

 

           12                      But Mr. Doherty's failure as a mayor

 

           13              of the city is council's fault in my

 

           14              opinion.  You people gave him no incentive

 

           15              to work.  When he needed money you said

 

           16              borrow, borrow, borrow and now look where we

 

           17              are at?  You know, a distressed city doesn't

 

           18              just keep asking for KOZ extensions and more

 

           19              KOZ's.  This is just ridiculous what's going

 

           20              on around here to the taxpayers.

 

           21                      Mr. Doherty has a vision and it's

 

           22              just going no where.  His vision is going no

 

           23              where.  He wants to run on his record.  I

 

           24              got a little statement here, we cannot

 

           25              defend the past at the expense of the


 

 

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            1              future.  Do you understand what I just said?

 

            2              His record stinks and if we keep going

 

            3              for -- he is defending his bad record at the

 

            4              expense of the future and it's just time for

 

            5              a change.  You know, I'm a moderate and I

 

            6              don't think he is all bad, I have said it,

 

            7              but it's like the commercial I've watched

 

            8              over and over again on television.

 

            9                      I was with someone on the board this

 

           10              morning for the medical school, he had no

 

           11              more to do with that medical school than

 

           12              anyone in this room.  He should be, you

 

           13              know, I know he wanted it as much as

 

           14              anybody, but he wanted on any committees, he

 

           15              wasn't on nothing, you know, he can't take

 

           16              credit for it.  He needs to take credit for

 

           17              the way this city is.  It's just deplorable

 

           18              conditions and it's getting worse and worse.

 

           19              It's not getting no damn better and it's

 

           20              just time for a change like everybody keeps

 

           21              asking.  Thank you.

 

           22                      MR. ANCHERANI: Good evening.  Nelson

 

           23              Ancherani, First Amendment Rights.  Welcome

 

           24              back, nice to see a full house.  First, I

 

           25              want to remind everyone that we are faced


 

 

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            1              with long-term debt of approximately 300

 

            2              million over the next 35 years or so.  A

 

            3              little history and reminder.  Mayor Connors'

 

            4              2001 budget totaled $55,790,000, that's

 

            5              2001.  He decreased his budget for 2001 from

 

            6              2000 and still left three million surplus.

 

            7                      Every budget under this

 

            8              administration has increased from 2002 to

 

            9              2009, so much so the total of budgets 2002

 

           10              to 2009 is $556,433,218.  This is over a

 

           11              half a billion dollars.  We are

 

           12              approximately 300 million in long-term debt.

 

           13              We are in debt on a smaller scale than the

 

           14              federal government, but our children and

 

           15              grand children are going to be dealt a

 

           16              double whammy paying for city and federal

 

           17              debt for many, many years of their lives and

 

           18              just for your information, cumulative

 

           19              increases from 2002 through 2009 is

 

           20              $107,703,178.  That's well over another

 

           21              year's budget.

 

           22                      Ms. Fanucci, just so you know, I get

 

           23              my figures from the budgets.  They are black

 

           24              and white so they should be right.  As for

 

           25              health care, I along with all union members


 

 

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            1              don't mind paying our fair share.  Since

 

            2              2003 we have been asking this city to show

 

            3              us the actual, actual figures on health care

 

            4              which they haven't done.  Even when

 

            5              subpoenaed for our arbitration hearings.  If

 

            6              the city is paying more then the 7.2 actual,

 

            7              which they won't even show the 7.2 million,

 

            8              show us.  By them not giving the figures,

 

            9              makes me think something is being hidden

 

           10              from us.  It makes me think that the figures

 

           11              aren't as high as they say.  Makes me think

 

           12              that they want us to pay for the retired

 

           13              insurance.  Retired is the city's

 

           14              responsibility.

 

           15                      The Health Care Committee hasn't met

 

           16              in at least two years.  At a prior meeting

 

           17              tonight, Stu gave a figure of $15 for single

 

           18              co-pay for pay period.  I have two bills

 

           19              that show I paid $30.50 per pay period for

 

           20              single.  As I said, I don't mind paying my

 

           21              fair share as do any other police or fire

 

           22              personnel.

 

           23                      Ms. Fanucci, next week I'll rebut

 

           24              what you say tonight in motions since you

 

           25              have the last word.  So council, the slimes,


 

 

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            1              they can laugh at us speakers, they can call

 

            2              us names, it's their -- it's your First

 

            3              Amendment Right.  Our First Amendment Right

 

            4              is to come here and agree or disagree.

 

            5              That's our First Amendment Right.  Do I care

 

            6              if we are called names.  Do I care if

 

            7              Ms. Fanucci looks in the camera?  No.

 

            8                      I care about this city -- there you

 

            9              go, laugh, I like that.  That's great.  I

 

           10              care about this city and so does everyone

 

           11              else who comes here.  I care that you answer

 

           12              our questions.  Seventeen were asked by me a

 

           13              few weeks ago, no answers.  I care that we

 

           14              get what we pay for when we pay our taxes.

 

           15              I care that I get a 25 percent tax increase

 

           16              voted on by Ms. Fanucci, Mrs. Gatelli and

 

           17              Mrs. McGoff, when 12.2 million was sitting

 

           18              in the Single Tax Office account.  I care

 

           19              that we have two million missing and no one

 

           20              is doing anything about it.  I care that

 

           21              when elected officials get paid by my tax

 

           22              dollars and they refuse to do what they were

 

           23              elected to do.  I care that we get that we

 

           24              get cleared up, that $2 million so there is

 

           25              no doubt.  No clearing it up is sewing the


 

 

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            1              seeds of doubt.  Thank you.

 

            2                      MR. MCGOFF: Anyone else?  Mrs.

 

            3              Evans?

 

            4                      MS. EVANS: Good evening.  I'd like

 

            5              to thank everyone who sent beautiful cards,

 

            6              e-mails and prayers to my mother and me in

 

            7              the last three weeks.  I will never forget

 

            8              your kindness and your support.  You know,

 

            9              one friend reminded me recently that God

 

           10              never gives us more than he knows we can

 

           11              handle, and I hope that is true for all of

 

           12              us, and again, I am very happy to return to

 

           13              these noble chambers.

 

           14                      Now, to respond to some earlier

 

           15              questions regarding the authorities of the

 

           16              City of Scranton, I am sure many are well

 

           17              aware that these are autonomous bodies whose

 

           18              membership is appointed by the mayor of

 

           19              Scranton.  They cannot be dissolved by city

 

           20              council, for example, as long as the

 

           21              authority itself is carrying a certain level

 

           22              of debt.  As for their attendance, or let's

 

           23              say the idea that their meetings should be

 

           24              conducted in council chambers, I absolutely

 

           25              agree with that so much so that on two prior


 

 

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            1              occasions as a member of the two different

 

            2              councils I have asked the authorities to do

 

            3              just that so that they would be more

 

            4              accessible to the taxpayers of the city.

 

            5                      Now, I know that at one time they

 

            6              replied that there are many meetings held

 

            7              here, zoning, planning, etcetera, and it

 

            8              would be difficult to coordinate their

 

            9              evening nights with those that are already

 

           10              on the calendar for council chambers and,

 

           11              yes, I do agree, I think the provisions

 

           12              certainly could be made, you know, if

 

           13              everyone just made some adjustments and it

 

           14              would be the most beneficial thing for the

 

           15              people of Scranton.  Perhaps, in the future

 

           16              that request can be made again and we can

 

           17              hope that the authorities will be more

 

           18              amenable.

 

           19                      Prior to my absence, I asked

 

           20              Attorney Minora to draft legislation to

 

           21              prevent the Scranton Tax Office from using

 

           22              city tax collections to augment it's

 

           23              operating budgets whenever it exceeds it's

 

           24              annual budget.  A request must be made to

 

           25              the city business administrator and


 

 

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            1              legislation must be approved by city council

 

            2              in order to provide additional funding.

 

            3              Attorney Minora has drafted this legislation

 

            4              and I would like to see it included on next

 

            5              week's agenda.

 

            6                      Earlier I asked my colleagues to

 

            7              review it as soon as possible in order that

 

            8              at least one local governing body will have

 

            9              taken formal action to address the problems

 

           10              evidenced at the Scranton Tax Office.  I

 

           11              don't believe we require the agreement of

 

           12              the county, it is dealing in it's own manner

 

           13              with it's tax office payables nor do I

 

           14              believe council requires the input of the

 

           15              school district since it is our

 

           16              responsibility alone to oversee city tax

 

           17              dollars.

 

           18                      Again, prior to my absence, I had

 

           19              already sent letters to the county

 

           20              commissioners, school board and mayor asking

 

           21              for a joint request for an investigation of

 

           22              the Scranton Tax Office by state and/or

 

           23              federal authorities.  To date, I received no

 

           24              response.  However, I was informed that the

 

           25              county commissioners will conduct a meeting


 

 

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            1              of representatives of the local taxing

 

            2              bodies to discuss the issues affecting the

 

            3              tax office perhaps later this week.  Beyond

 

            4              a possibly decision to hire a tax office

 

            5              controller to oversee the day-to-day

 

            6              operations and a discussion of estate

 

            7              mandated centralized tax collection office

 

            8              in Lackawanna County, I hold no great hope

 

            9              that the governing bodies will jointly

 

           10              request an investigation of the tax office.

 

           11                      Also, I have seen no action taken on

 

           12              the fact that City Solicitor Patterson must

 

           13              serve as solicitor to the tax rather than an

 

           14              attorney appointed by a tax collector.  No

 

           15              action has been taken against the numerous

 

           16              violations of state law that occurred under

 

           17              Mr. McDowell who to this day refuses to

 

           18              answer a subpoena and speak to city council

 

           19              publically.  No action has been taken on

 

           20              $2 million in lost monies, yet, we paid for

 

           21              a report, not a forensic audit and we

 

           22              continue to pay for the services of this

 

           23              firm.

 

           24                      The tax office officials like to say

 

           25              that no one ever spoke about the problems at


 

 

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            1              the tax office.  They know that is not true.

 

            2              It was discussed here at city council at

 

            3              more than one meeting in more than one year,

 

            4              but this is what happens when you are not

 

            5              part of the club, the team, the inner

 

            6              circle.  Wrongdoing, whether legal or

 

            7              illegal, goes on.  Some politicians plan it

 

            8              and other politicians go along with it and

 

            9              anyone who questions it, exposes it or

 

           10              attempts to fix it is wrong, is not a team

 

           11              player or is a troublemaker.

 

           12                      Well, I don't know about anybody

 

           13              else, but I am fed up.  I'm fed up with the

 

           14              negligence, the failure to act, and the

 

           15              political fear and repercussions of stepping

 

           16              on toes.  Money is missing, state laws were

 

           17              violated, and someone has to be answer for

 

           18              this.  Could any one of you, any one of us,

 

           19              do this at our job and get away with it?

 

           20              Could you get a promotion afterwards or tell

 

           21              me could you walk away while your business

 

           22              complacently a financial loss of $2 million?

 

           23                      A year ago, I composed a letter to

 

           24              the district attorney requesting an

 

           25              investigation of the Single Tax Office.


 

 

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            1              Because the announcement of a forensic audit

 

            2              was made, I didn't send a letter, but I did

 

            3              save it and one year later the mess

 

            4              continues.

 

            5                      Although, it seems the state has a

 

            6              role in this matter since it's regulations

 

            7              govern numerous policies and procedures of

 

            8              the office, it appears that an investigation

 

            9              should be conducted first by the district

 

           10              attorney at his discretion.  Therefore, I

 

           11              will be sending a letter to the Lackawanna

 

           12              County District Attorney requesting an

 

           13              investigation of the Scranton tax office.

 

           14              Should Mr. Jarbola choose not to

 

           15              investigate, as he did over one year ago, I

 

           16              will present this matter to a higher

 

           17              authority.

 

           18                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  I get my turn to

 

           19              interrupt you now.

 

           20                      MS. EVANS: Absolutely.

 

           21                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  I called the

 

           22              District Attorney's Office last week and I

 

           23              asked about this, and I guess way back when

 

           24              this first started he wanted to do some

 

           25              investigation and he was told by all three


 

 

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            1              taxing bodies that they didn't want to do

 

            2              the investigation.  The FBI came in, he is

 

            3              saying they found no criminal activity, so I

 

            4              asked, you know, now is he interested in

 

            5              looking at it to see if there is anything

 

            6              criminal.  He told me that if someone could

 

            7              present to him some kind of a criminal

 

            8              wrongdoing that he would be happy to

 

            9              investigate it.

 

           10                      So I haven't talked to you because

 

           11              you have been off and I didn't know you were

 

           12              going to bring it up this evening.

 

           13                      MS. EVANS: I'll certainly include

 

           14              that in the letter because I think

 

           15              $2 million in missing tax monies certainly

 

           16              constitutes wrongdoing.  I don't remember

 

           17              though, perhaps someone else does, I don't

 

           18              remember city council ever agreeing or

 

           19              publically taking a vote to say that we did

 

           20              not wish an investigation.

 

           21                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Yeah, I don't

 

           22              think -- I don't think it was us.  I think

 

           23              it was the administration and maybe the

 

           24              school board and the county, if I'm not

 

           25              mistaken, not us, because we all know we


 

 

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            1              don't have too much power here, but anyway,

 

            2              I did ask him, and again, I hadn't spoken to

 

            3              you in quite awhile so --

 

            4                      MS. EVANS: I'm glad to hear all of

 

            5              that and it is very interesting because I

 

            6              remember at the time the DA was quoted in

 

            7              the paper as saying he wouldn't conduct an

 

            8              investigation because he felt there was no

 

            9              wrongdoing and that ended that.  And I

 

           10              couldn't understand how one determines the

 

           11              absence or presence of the wrongdoing

 

           12              without ever having looked into the

 

           13              situation.

 

           14                      MS. FANUCCI: I think it was after

 

           15              the FBI though, right, when they came in and

 

           16              the performed --

 

           17                      MS. EVANS: No, this happened before

 

           18              the FBI.  As soon as that money was

 

           19              discovered by Mrs. Vitale.

 

           20                      MS. FANUCCI: Oh, that's a

 

           21              misunderstanding.

 

           22                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I'm thinking if you

 

           23              send a letter to him I'm sure he would give

 

           24              you a call or something because he was more

 

           25              than happy to discuss it with me.


 

 

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            1                      MS. EVANS:  Well, I'll send him the

 

            2              letter regardless and if he wants to discuss

 

            3              it I will be happy, but I would really like

 

            4              to have a written response from him for the

 

            5              record.

 

            6                      And, finally, I just wanted to wish

 

            7              all of the mothers a very Happy Mother's Day

 

            8              and to my mother especially Happy Mother's

 

            9              Day, Mom, I really love you, and that's it.

 

           10                      MS. GATELLI: As long as we are

 

           11              talking about the Single Tax Office, I was

 

           12              discussing the situation for several weeks

 

           13              with Attorney Minora and I understand that

 

           14              the mayor can initiate litigation to compel

 

           15              the distribution of money that's held in the

 

           16              tax office, it's called a declaratory

 

           17              judgment, and it would bring all parties

 

           18              into the Court to decide the disbursement of

 

           19              the funds.  It's imperative that the city

 

           20              gets their funds.  I still believe that the

 

           21              majority of the funds do belong to the City

 

           22              of Scranton, so I would make a motion that

 

           23              we send a letter to the mayor requesting

 

           24              that he initiate litigation to compel the

 

           25              distribution of money held by the Single Tax


 

 

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            1              Office.

 

            2                      MS. FANUCCI: I'll second that.

 

            3                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?

 

            4                      MR. COURTRIGHT: On the question, you

 

            5              know, I have to agree with you.  I think

 

            6              that's the only way it's going to get

 

            7              resolved.  I think we could be going on and

 

            8              on and on if something isn't brought to a

 

            9              head so if they are brought into Court they

 

           10              will have to distribute the money to whoever

 

           11              the Court says, you know, so --

 

           12                      MS. EVANS: But that's -- and I agree

 

           13              with this, and I'm going to vote in favor of

 

           14              it, but that's half of the issue.

 

           15                      MS. GATELLI:  Right.

 

           16                      MS. EVANS:  We want our money.

 

           17                      MS. FANUCCI: Right.

 

           18                      MS. EVANS: But the other half is how

 

           19              this happened and where is the missing

 

           20              money, and we can't continue to just to walk

 

           21              away and say, well, it's such a mess, we

 

           22              can't fix it or, you know, I don't think I

 

           23              want to get involved in that because it

 

           24              involves too many political parties -- not

 

           25              parties, but individuals.  And, you know, I


 

 

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            1              really think the people deserve an answer.

 

            2              Somebody needs to get to the bottom of this

 

            3              instead of sweeping it under the rug, so,

 

            4              yes, I want the money and Mrs. Gatelli is

 

            5              doing a wonderful thing.

 

            6                      MS. GATELLI:  And maybe it will

 

            7              force it all to a head.

 

            8                      MS. FANUCCI: And also we don't want

 

            9              to spend half the money trying to receive

 

           10              the money because of the investigation.

 

           11                      MS. EVANS: Right.

 

           12                      MS. FANUCCI: I don't want to have to

 

           13              end spending more than we are going to get

 

           14              trying to find out how, you know, we can get

 

           15              the money, but other than that I think it's

 

           16              a great idea.

 

           17                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I think what Mrs.

 

           18              Gatelli's motion does is this, I'm sorry,

 

           19              Bob.  If they said, okay, you, the county,

 

           20              you have to give one million, you the city,

 

           21              the school district, you have to give a

 

           22              million to conduct this investigation, then

 

           23              I think all three tacking bodies would be

 

           24              hesitant to come up with a million bucks,

 

           25              but in the Court they will have to do the


 

 

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            1              investigation.

 

            2                      MS. FANUCCI: Right.

 

            3                      MS. EVANS: But do you think like the

 

            4              Attorney General would say, "We are charging

 

            5              each entity $1 million for the state to

 

            6              investigate this"?

 

            7                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  No.

 

            8                      MS. FANUCCI:  No, not with the

 

            9              Attorney General.

 

           10                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Not if it was

 

           11              criminal.

 

           12                      MS. FANUCCI: I think if we did it

 

           13              ourselves, I think that's what --

 

           14                      MS. EVANS: Well, I don't think we

 

           15              should be doing it ourselves.  I think this

 

           16              should be done by the district attorney.  If

 

           17              or whatever his reasons he declines then it

 

           18              should move onto a higher authority and

 

           19              these are, you know -- these are state laws

 

           20              that govern that office and the state should

 

           21              take an interest in what's going on there

 

           22              when $2 million is missing.

 

           23                      MR. MCGOFF: I'd like to take a vote

 

           24              on the motion made by Mrs. Gatelli.  All

 

           25              those in favor signify by saying aye.


 

 

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            1                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.

 

            2                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.

 

            3                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.

 

            4                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.

 

            5                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The

 

            6              ayes have it and so moved.

 

            7                      MS. GATELLI: Thank you.  The tax

 

            8              office meeting at the commissioner's office

 

            9              is Friday, May 8, at 2:00 p.m.  I will be

 

           10              attending that.  I will be a little bit

 

           11              late, but I will be attending that and I

 

           12              will bring the report of what happens at the

 

           13              meeting back next week unless the reporter

 

           14              is there and reports it ahead of time.

 

           15                      I had Kay call someone from PennDOT

 

           16              and they told her that the parking signs on

 

           17              state roads is still under the jurisdiction

 

           18              of the city, so I'll contact Mr. Brazil

 

           19              about the parking signs on Moosic Street.

 

           20              Also, Jefferson Avenue is not a state road,

 

           21              so if, Mrs. Garvey, if you could send the

 

           22              mayor a letter requesting that we get

 

           23              Jefferson Avenue paved.

 

           24                      I also have another motion tonight

 

           25              to send another letter.  At this time I


 

 

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            1              would like to send it to the governor and

 

            2              Robert Mellow supporting keeping Scranton

 

            3              State School for the Deaf open.  I

 

            4              understand that Senator Mellow is changing

 

            5              his mind on that issue.  Most of us that are

 

            6              sitting here attended the rally for the

 

            7              School for the Deaf, and I would like to

 

            8              make that motion that we send that letter

 

            9              again.  I know we sent in the beginning, but

 

           10              I think we need to send the letter again, so

 

           11              I'll make that motion.

 

           12                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.

 

           13                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?

 

           14                      MS. EVANS: Yeah, that's what I was

 

           15              going to say.  We had sent that letter

 

           16              before and I think it was approved by four

 

           17              of us.

 

           18                      MS. FANUCCI: I abstained.

 

           19                      MS. EVANS: And I don't believe we

 

           20              got any response to that, did we?

 

           21                      MS. GATELLI: No, I don't think we

 

           22              did, but it seems like they are changing

 

           23              their minds, some of them.  I just want to

 

           24              reiterate our position.

 

           25                      MR. MCGOFF: I think it's a good idea


 

 

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            1              to reaffirm what we believe.

 

            2                      MS. GATELLI:  It's an important

 

            3              issue and the status of some people's

 

            4              opinion has changed, so I think we should

 

            5              reiterate our concerns of the School for the

 

            6              Deaf.

 

            7                      MR. MCGOFF:  All in favor signify by

 

            8              saying aye.

 

            9                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.

 

           10                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.

 

           11                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.

 

           12                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.

 

           13                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The

 

           14              ayes have it and so moved.

 

           15                      MS. GATELLI: I'd also like to know,

 

           16              I know they talked the this evening about

 

           17              the fire on Monroe Avenue and that our

 

           18              firemen were not called to the fire and they

 

           19              called the outlying areas, I would like to

 

           20              know the procedure when there is a call and

 

           21              there a multi-alarm fire.  I always thought

 

           22              it was policy to call the outlying districts

 

           23              to help us in a fire and not to call people

 

           24              that are (a) on vacation or (b) home sick,

 

           25              so I would just some clarification on that


 

 

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            1              if we can send a letter to the chief and

 

            2              Dave Schreiber so we will get two different

 

            3              opinions on that.  I don't want people to

 

            4              think that our firemen aren't being called

 

            5              when there is a fire and a multi-alarm fire.

 

            6              I don't think that would be fair to them for

 

            7              people to think that they are not standing

 

            8              up to their responsibility when that

 

            9              happens, so I would just like to answer,

 

           10              please.

 

           11                      Janet already talked about the

 

           12              authorities being autonomous.  We really

 

           13              have no jurisdiction to make rules or

 

           14              regulations for the authorities.  There is

 

           15              the Municipal Authorities Act that governs

 

           16              all of the authorities.  If I'm wrong,

 

           17              Attorney Minora, please correct me.

 

           18                      MR. MINORA: You are not.

 

           19                      MS. GATELLI:  I don't think that we

 

           20              have any jurisdiction to make any rules for

 

           21              them, although, we can make suggestions.

 

           22                      MR. MCGOFF: Just let me -- I believe

 

           23              that at one point in time we did send a

 

           24              letter to the authorities requesting that

 

           25              they have meetings in chambers.  I'm pretty


 

 

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            1              sure that we had done that.

 

            2                      MS. EVANS: We had done that.

 

            3                      MR. MCGOFF:  Without response.

 

            4                      MS. EVANS: And our previous council

 

            5              had done that as well and we have never had

 

            6              success.

 

            7                      MS. GATELLI: No.  As far as the

 

            8              crime in south Scranton, it's no secret that

 

            9              there is crime in south Scranton.  I have

 

           10              been saying that for the three years I have

 

           11              been sitting up here.  All of sudden finally

 

           12              everyone is agreeing that, yes, there is

 

           13              crime in South Scranton, and that's why we

 

           14              are focusing our attention with Elm Street

 

           15              Program and trying to get Community Justice

 

           16              Program running in gear, which we have for

 

           17              the last several years.  We have torn down

 

           18              30 properties.  Connell Park when I first

 

           19              sat here was full of drug dealers.  Anyone

 

           20              that lives up there knows that that is a

 

           21              fact.  I used to walk there every day with

 

           22              my husband at 6:00 in the morning before

 

           23              work and we had to stop doing it because

 

           24              they were dealing drugs right in front of us

 

           25              as we walked around the park.  I stopped


 

 

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            1              going there because I was afraid.  Never

 

            2              took my grandchildren there because it just

 

            3              was not a conducive place to be.

 

            4                      Now it is a conducive place to be.

 

            5              Anyone can take up a ride up to Connell Park

 

            6              and see what has transformed there.  There

 

            7              is a playground, there is a football field,

 

            8              and there is a dog park which is very, very

 

            9              successful.  I know you complain about how

 

           10              much it cost and it doesn't -- it didn't

 

           11              cost as much as the people who came here and

 

           12              say it cost.  It was expensive, and there

 

           13              were many speakers that came here week after

 

           14              week wanting a dog park and then when we had

 

           15              one they talked against it.  So some people

 

           16              just are never happy, but the people near

 

           17              Connell Park are very happy.

 

           18                      A lot of trees were taken down, we

 

           19              have new sidewalks and curbs around the

 

           20              park, the neighbors can actually see into

 

           21              the park because all of the brush was taken

 

           22              down and there are no more drug dealers at

 

           23              Connell Park, so that is the goal and that

 

           24              is the part of the reason that we are doing

 

           25              a lot of our work in South Scranton.  There


 

 

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            1              is crime there.  We are not afraid to say

 

            2              there is, but we have some good policemen

 

            3              and they are trying to keep a handle on

 

            4              them.  It's very difficult in the year 2009

 

            5              to stop drugs from coming into your

 

            6              community.  It's everywhere.  It's all over

 

            7              the country.  Drugs are a problem.  Ask

 

            8              Mrs. Evans and I, we work in schools and,

 

            9              unfortunately, there is lots of drugs and

 

           10              lots of kids are on drugs.

 

           11                      So we are going to have crime, we

 

           12              are going to have drug crimes in our

 

           13              community, but as long as we have programs

 

           14              in place like our Community Justice Program

 

           15              and we have a good community development

 

           16              police officer to walk the neighborhood and

 

           17              to become friendly with the neighbors that

 

           18              is fighting part of the battle and we will

 

           19              continue that and I wish that other

 

           20              neighborhoods, I have offered before for

 

           21              other neighborhoods to start a Community

 

           22              Justice Program.  I believe the Hill has

 

           23              one, also, and we just got a new officer,

 

           24              Kyle Kemp, and him and Carol Gillette and

 

           25              Mrs. Harrison are doing a superb job taking


 

 

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            1              care of the housing, abandoned cars, and

 

            2              those different aspects of quality of life

 

            3              issues.  So as much as you say things about

 

            4              South Scranton there are some people working

 

            5              very hard there and they should be

 

            6              recognized for their hard work.

 

            7                      As far as NCC, people keep bringing

 

            8              up NCC, I will continue to support the

 

            9              Draconian measures against the slumlords.  I

 

           10              worked here much years ago for Mayor Connors

 

           11              and that was one of the top priorities was

 

           12              slumlords that didn't pay their taxes, so I

 

           13              have that in my craw and I won't give it up.

 

           14              If anyone has trouble paying their taxes,

 

           15              they can call, they can setup a payment

 

           16              program, absolutely we will help the

 

           17              property owner, the single family homeowner

 

           18              who lives in our community, but the

 

           19              slumlords and the drug houses, no way.  I

 

           20              won't go for that at all.

 

           21                      As far as the contention of my

 

           22              lawsuit, I will be paying for whatever

 

           23              personal part of the lawsuit I will have to

 

           24              pay.  I would like Mrs. Garvey to get a list

 

           25              of the lawsuits that Mr. Pilchesky has filed


 

 

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            1              against various people in the city and the

 

            2              cost of those frivolous lawsuits.  I was

 

            3              sued first by Mr. Pilchesky.  I did not

 

            4              initiate the lawsuit.

 

            5                      As you remember, there were items on

 

            6              the Internet with guns and heads blowing

 

            7              off.  I'm going to keep repeating it as long

 

            8              as you keep talking about it, I am going to

 

            9              keep talking about what happened to me and

 

           10              what happened to these chambers when the

 

           11              people were threatened by innuendoes on a

 

           12              website.

 

           13                      Now, if you think that's okay for

 

           14              people to do that then that's your opinion.

 

           15              I don't think it's okay to be bullied.  I

 

           16              don't think it was okay to shut down these

 

           17              chambers because people were scared and the

 

           18              DA advised me to have people wanded for the

 

           19              safety of me and my fellow council members

 

           20              and for the safety of the people that come

 

           21              here.  If you think it was a joke, it wasn't

 

           22              a joke and I'm sick of hearing about it.

 

           23                      And Mr. and Mrs. Pilchesky have been

 

           24              coming here every week taking my picture,

 

           25              for the home audience that doesn't know


 

 

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            1              that, and kibitzing with everyone in the

 

            2              gallery.  My opinion is it's to intimidate

 

            3              me and stare at me.  Well, I'm not

 

            4              intimidated.  I am going to keep on fighting

 

            5              for my city as long as I take my last breath

 

            6              and a bully like those people aren't going

 

            7              to stop me.

 

            8                      I was scared in the beginning, I'll

 

            9              admit it.  I was really scared.  My family

 

           10              wanted me to leave, my children were afraid,

 

           11              but I'm not a quitter, and I never was and

 

           12              I'm not going to quit for the people of the

 

           13              City of Scranton.  I'm fighting for 28 years

 

           14              for my neighborhood and nobody is going to

 

           15              stop me.  If I win or lose this election

 

           16              I'll still be fighting for the people of

 

           17              South Side.  I'll never give up fighting for

 

           18              my city, and that's all I have.  Thank you

 

           19              for listening.

 

           20                      Happy Mother's Day, also, before I

 

           21              forget.  To the people that have a mother

 

           22              that's still alive please treasure your

 

           23              mother.  I don't have a mother anymore, mine

 

           24              has been dead since 1984, and I really miss

 

           25              her very much.  I do have a lovely


 

 

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            1              mother-in-law and I would like to wish her a

 

            2              Happy Mother's Day, and I'd like to wish my

 

            3              mother Happy Mother's day in heaven.  Thank

 

            4              you very much.  Happy Mother's Day, Sherry

 

            5              and Janet.

 

            6                      MS. FANUCCI: Thanks.

 

            7                      MS. EVANS: Thank you.  Can I just

 

            8              say one thing before you start because it's

 

            9              connected to what Judy was talking about and

 

           10              maybe Bill Courtright can take care of it, I

 

           11              think every one of us received this

 

           12              notification by a West Scranton resident

 

           13              about drug activity in West Scranton that

 

           14              they have witnessed.

 

           15                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I don't have that.

 

           16              Maybe it's in my box.

 

           17                      MS. GATELLI: It's in your mailbox.

 

           18                      MS. EVANS: And if that could be

 

           19              passed along to the proper source so that

 

           20              they can take a look at what's going on.

 

           21              They give the exact location.

 

           22                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  I'll take care of

 

           23              it.  Thank you.

 

           24                      MS. FANUCCI: Actually, that was my

 

           25              first thing, so thank you, Janet.


 

 

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            1                      MS. EVANS: Sorry.

 

            2                      MS. FANUCCI: That's okay.  The

 

            3              second thing, we had a Stu Renda come in

 

            4              today, actually most of the audience who is

 

            5              still here did attend.  I had Stu come in to

 

            6              give me some figures on what was claimed to

 

            7              be not only the health care or the amount of

 

            8              health care that was paid out and the

 

            9              contributions for the fire and police to the

 

           10              health care, but also on salaries, and week

 

           11              after week, month after month, year after

 

           12              year, we hear how there wasn't a cost of

 

           13              living increase given to the unions, the

 

           14              fire and police unions, I should say.  It

 

           15              wasn't that it wasn't given, we were in

 

           16              arbitration.  That's why it wasn't given.

 

           17              They were battling it out.  They are not

 

           18              going to get it when you are in arbitration.

 

           19              It's not like, you know, we said, okay, you

 

           20              can't have it, they were fighting it out.

 

           21              It was year after year.

 

           22                      But my problem is us as taxpayers

 

           23              paid that whole time that we are in these

 

           24              arbitration awards, which was 1991, right,

 

           25              until -- when did we file bankruptcy '92?


 

 

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            1              He is giving me all different angles in the

 

            2              back there, but anyway, ever since we filed

 

            3              for these awards and filed for these -- they

 

            4              were fighting for their contracts, we still

 

            5              paid health care, the same amount of health

 

            6              care per person all those years.  If we

 

            7              paid -- if our contribution was $3,000, it

 

            8              was $3,000 from the city the entire time.

 

            9              The problem is that that's how much it cost

 

           10              us.  When it went up to four we still paid;

 

           11              five, we still paid.  Their contribution did

 

           12              not go up in any way until the last two pay

 

           13              periods.  That is why when they start coming

 

           14              up here complaining about their actual

 

           15              contribution that I wanted to get the

 

           16              numbers straight.

 

           17                      We heard everything from it was

 

           18              $3.74 or something in the beginning for

 

           19              single per week.  It was three dollars and

 

           20              seventy some cents.  It did go up now, but

 

           21              that was only for the last two pay periods,

 

           22              but that entire time the city was still

 

           23              paying for them the amount of money that the

 

           24              health care was going up.  Just like you at

 

           25              home, your health care is going up, it's


 

 

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            1              skyrocketing, you are paying $400, $500,

 

            2              $600 for your health care, the city is still

 

            3              paying that for them.  That to me should be

 

            4              considered a raise.  It should be considered

 

            5              a raise.  When you are getting your health

 

            6              care for the same amount for years and years

 

            7              and years and not having to contribute any

 

            8              more to your health care that is considered

 

            9              a raise.

 

           10                      Some of the salaries, 80,000,

 

           11              79,000, 77,000, 76, 73, 71, 71.  Now, I'm

 

           12              not reading like it's 71,900 and 78, 69.

 

           13              Over 50, I just want to say over 50 there is

 

           14              61 employees who get over $50,000 a year.

 

           15              This is just in one of the awards, I don't

 

           16              want to say both the fire and the police

 

           17              because I didn't go through them, but the

 

           18              highest paid we have an $80,000, we have a

 

           19              $70,000, 60,000, 57,000, these aren't small

 

           20              numbers.  We are not talking about $35,000 a

 

           21              year.  Base salary, oh, absolutely, but at

 

           22              the end of it all we are not talking about

 

           23              small numbers.

 

           24                      This is what needs to be out.  This

 

           25              is what people don't realize.  We are saying


 

 

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            1              for years and years that, you know, well,

 

            2              yeah, there was not a cost of living

 

            3              increase.  Well, when an arbitration award

 

            4              comes down and it's given to the fire and

 

            5              the police, which happened numerous times,

 

            6              they got the cost of living increase because

 

            7              they got the money.  The award gave them the

 

            8              money.

 

            9                      So why are we having this argument

 

           10              now?  Why?  Because we gambled it out in

 

           11              Court.  We decided let's take the bull and

 

           12              let's run, let's go to court.  So we get

 

           13              there and the Court says, okay, now this is

 

           14              what you have to deal with it.  Here you go.

 

           15              You are going to get three people on an

 

           16              apparatus, opposed to two, we are going to

 

           17              change shifts and we are changing manning.

 

           18                      Now, last week we claim they come up

 

           19              and say, "We don't have enough guys, this is

 

           20              all a farce.  We can't do this, we don't

 

           21              have enough guys."

 

           22                      Stu Renda comes in tonight the first

 

           23              question -- or maybe the third question, I

 

           24              said, "Stu, do we have enough guys?"

 

           25                      "Yes, we can do it."


 

 

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            1                      "Can we count on this new

 

            2              agreement?"

 

            3                      "We certainly can."

 

            4                      "What is the issue, you know, are we

 

            5              closing firehouses?  Again, again, are we

 

            6              closing firehouses?"

 

            7                      "No."

 

            8                      "Are we getting rid of people, are

 

            9              we laying people off?  Are we getting rid of

 

           10              jobs?"

 

           11                      "No."

 

           12                      So what are we left with?  What are

 

           13              we left with?  We are left with three more

 

           14              people on an apparatus, so you are getting

 

           15              an extra guy coming into your house that you

 

           16              didn't get before, an extra man, so that's a

 

           17              good thing I would think.  I would think

 

           18              that that's a good thing, so why is this

 

           19              shift change so important?  Why is this what

 

           20              we are fighting about?  Why is the manning

 

           21              what we are fighting about?  Is it $800,000s

 

           22              in overtime.  Is that something that's

 

           23              appealing?  Is that why we are fighting?

 

           24                      We hear from everybody, now, I know

 

           25              at that Mrs. Evans also is talking about


 

 

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            1              getting numbers from DPW, they signed their

 

            2              contract.  They decided what they want, they

 

            3              sat down and they negotiated it, they signed

 

            4              their contract.  That is not what we have in

 

            5              front of us.  We haven't had that luxury of

 

            6              people sitting down at a table.

 

            7                      Sitting here, you know, tonight I

 

            8              have to say election is alive and well in

 

            9              Scranton, Pennsylvania.  It was something.

 

           10              In fact, you got your money's worth tonight

 

           11              I have to say.  We had just about everyone

 

           12              here and I like the way they're playing down

 

           13              now.  It actually benefits us a little bit

 

           14              better.  It's not as contentious as it

 

           15              normally is, but I'm certainly not going to

 

           16              stop giving facts.  I actually got more

 

           17              threatening e-mails and letters because I

 

           18              was giving out facts of what they made which

 

           19              is sad because Ancherani gets up every week

 

           20              and wants them.  He wanted to know.

 

           21              Mr. Ancherani wanted to know.  He wanted to

 

           22              know what the cost was.  I gave it to them

 

           23              and now it seems that for some reason that's

 

           24              not important.

 

           25                      This is not about us and the city.


 

 

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            1              This is about what we can afford and what

 

            2              needs to be done.  Super firehouses I don't

 

            3              think is a bad idea eventually if it was

 

            4              done the right way, I'm going to say I don't

 

            5              think it's a bad idea.  I don't personally

 

            6              want to lose my neighborhood firehouse, but

 

            7              it they showed me stats that would make it

 

            8              more accessible or better and response time

 

            9              better I would definitely look at it.  Is it

 

           10              something I believe in right now?

 

           11              Absolutely not.  I like my fire station, I

 

           12              like my neighborhood fire station open, I

 

           13              like to know that everyone feels that they

 

           14              are safe right now.

 

           15                      But to act like this was all new and

 

           16              brand new when this was in the Recovery Plan

 

           17              that 71 percent of the voters who you tell

 

           18              week after week that they were wrong, they

 

           19              were wrong.  In this chambers you are wrong.

 

           20              You will always be wrong in these chambers,

 

           21              but as far as I'm concerned a vote still

 

           22              counts even though most of the time you try

 

           23              to get bullied out of the vote, votes still

 

           24              count and whatever reason the Recovery Plan

 

           25              passed it certainly did pass.


 

 

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            1                      I'm glad that we got the numbers

 

            2              out, I think that everyone should know

 

            3              exactly what we are talking about.  We are

 

            4              not talking about people who are not making

 

            5              any money and certainly did not receive

 

            6              anything from the time this started because

 

            7              they did.  I know at home and I know myself

 

            8              I would love to have longevity pay.  I would

 

            9              love to get an extra $3,000 in my check just

 

           10              for being part of a team.  Unfortunately, I

 

           11              don't.  Unfortunately, neither do you.  No

 

           12              one is picking up your extra health care

 

           13              costs at home.  No one is deciding that it's

 

           14              good for your family to have to fight, fight

 

           15              for what you want.

 

           16                      You can't go into your boss every

 

           17              week and get on TV and decide that he is

 

           18              wrong and you are right.  Wouldn't that be a

 

           19              wonderful world if we could all do that.  So

 

           20              it is my hope that after the next two weeks

 

           21              are over that we can sit down and start to

 

           22              act like civil human beings, stop using this

 

           23              forum constantly as a perpetual use of

 

           24              information that is one-sided and sit down

 

           25              and actually do what we are supposed to do


 

 

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            1              which is work together for the City of

 

            2              Scranton, realize that the taxpayers are the

 

            3              people who are footing these bills and to

 

            4              sit down and to what's best for them, not

 

            5              just what's best for our own personal

 

            6              agendas, and that is it all I have.  Thank

 

            7              you.

 

            8                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I really didn't have

 

            9              much this evening, but after this

 

           10              information was passed over to me, whether

 

           11              it's West Side or any other area of the city

 

           12              if you believe that you have a problems with

 

           13              drugs or gangs or whatever and you would

 

           14              like that information passed on you could

 

           15              just e-mail it to me here at city hall.  If

 

           16              you are fearful that your name would get out

 

           17              there somehow if you want to come and see me

 

           18              or e-mail it to me I would be happy to help

 

           19              you.

 

           20                      Some of the specific things that are

 

           21              these letters, I don't want to read them

 

           22              because I don't want to tip anybody off, but

 

           23              some of the specifics things are true

 

           24              because I see it with my own eyes.  You

 

           25              know, this woman said, I don't know why I


 

 

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            1              think it's a woman, it could be a man, they

 

            2              didn't sign it, "There are children through

 

            3              the area that ride their bikes recklessly in

 

            4              the street without helmets and drive after

 

            5              the cars."

 

            6                       I have seen that with my own two

 

            7              eyes and, no, you can't get out of the car

 

            8              and do anything about it because you will be

 

            9              the one in trouble.  But as far as getting

 

           10              it to the proper people I would be happy to

 

           11              do so.  There is some areas here where they

 

           12              are saying there is drug activity and gang

 

           13              activity.  I believe, I know these areas

 

           14              very well, I grew up there and I am still

 

           15              there every day.  I believe the police know

 

           16              about it.

 

           17                      I think what's difficult, and I will

 

           18              make sure, but I'm almost positive they know

 

           19              about these things, this individual states

 

           20              that, you know, sometimes cabs drop people

 

           21              up and they pick up their drugs and they get

 

           22              back in the cab.  I do know for a fact that

 

           23              on occasions the police do work with some of

 

           24              the cab drivers, I'm not saying all of them,

 

           25              and I don't want to say anything that would


 

 

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            1              jeopardize any type of investigations, but I

 

            2              think what the public doesn't understand and

 

            3              is hard for them to understand, and I feel

 

            4              the same way, is when they see the activity

 

            5              going on in front of their own eyes and they

 

            6              can't understand why the police don't arrest

 

            7              these people right away, it takes time for

 

            8              them to build a case and sometimes they're

 

            9              looking to get a little bit bigger guy than

 

           10              what you are seeing, and I know that's

 

           11              frustrating, but in the long run the way

 

           12              they do it in all honesty is the best way,

 

           13              and in this particular area Officer Jill

 

           14              Foley I think does a phenomenal job and I

 

           15              wish they would put a second officer with

 

           16              her like she used to have, I think she would

 

           17              even do a better job, and according to the

 

           18              newspapers Dave Elliott says that we are

 

           19              going to have them all there by the end of

 

           20              the summer, I would like to see them there

 

           21              before the summer is over.

 

           22                      I did not -- I purposely didn't

 

           23              speak about crime in the last couple of

 

           24              months because during the last election I

 

           25              was told I was trying to scare people all


 

 

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            1              the time, you know, when I would bring up

 

            2              about the crime and the gangs and I had the

 

            3              firsthand information about the gangs and

 

            4              the crimes, some information that even

 

            5              Scranton police officers didn't have, and I

 

            6              turned it over to them to help them, but I

 

            7              was accused of trying to scare everybody.

 

            8              Even during the one state representative

 

            9              race I was labeled -- they said I was

 

           10              labeled as a crime czar, so I specifically

 

           11              did not bring up crime during this election.

 

           12                      But the newspaper seems to want to

 

           13              make it an issue, so they call me and they

 

           14              ask me.  When they call me and they ask me

 

           15              I'm going to tell them what I think.  It

 

           16              offends some people, but when I stated that

 

           17              here on more than one occasion that shifts

 

           18              are running short I did not pull that out of

 

           19              the air.  I know people do not like the fact

 

           20              that I have daily sheets from, you know,

 

           21              roll call sheets, but people drop them off

 

           22              to me, all right?  I will get there in the

 

           23              morning and they be there, so I was reading

 

           24              from sheets, actual roll call sheets.  I was

 

           25              not making any of this up.


 

 

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            1                      I truly wish that the newspaper

 

            2              would be able to speak to police officers

 

            3              firsthand and let them tell you what's going

 

            4              on, but the officers can't do that, all

 

            5              right?  And again, I did not call the

 

            6              newspaper and ask them to make a comment on

 

            7              crime, they asked me a question and I have

 

            8              to answer it honestly and the best of my

 

            9              ability.  If they call again I'll answer it

 

           10              honestly and to the best of my ability, but

 

           11              I want everybody to know I don't make this

 

           12              stuff up, you know, and I don't -- and I'm

 

           13              not going to say we only had four guys on

 

           14              shift, it's reality and I wish it wasn't,

 

           15              but it is.  And that's it.  That's all I

 

           16              want to say.  Thank you.

 

           17                      Oh, geez, I'll get in trouble.  I

 

           18              got all fired up there, I'm sorry, and I

 

           19              wrote it down here so that my wife doesn't

 

           20              yell at me, but I do want to wish my mom and

 

           21              --

 

           22                      MS. GATELLI: You would have been in

 

           23              the dog house.

 

           24                      MS. FANUCCI:  I reminded him.

 

           25                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I want to wish my


 

 

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            1              wife a Happy Mother's Day, and my wife knows

 

            2              I didn't get her anything yet because every

 

            3              time I've asked her what she wants and she

 

            4              won't tell me, and I have been married a

 

            5              long time, 28 years, so it's difficult to

 

            6              come up with new ideas.

 

            7                      MS. EVANS: Jewelry is always a good

 

            8              idea.

 

            9                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I'm doing my best.

 

           10              Thanks for reminding me.  Happy Mother's Day

 

           11              to everybody up here, too.  Thanks for that.

 

           12                      MR. MCGOFF: Very quickly, two

 

           13              things.  First, one of the responsibilities

 

           14              I guess of the president of council is to

 

           15              okay items for the agenda, and I will

 

           16              guarantee that that motion is placed on the

 

           17              agenda for next week so that we can discuss

 

           18              and vote on it.

 

           19                      MS. EVANS:  Thank you.

 

           20                      MR. MCGOFF: Also, the second thing

 

           21              is over the course of the time that I have

 

           22              been president of council one of the things

 

           23              that I have relied on is that in general

 

           24              that it almost always rely on people

 

           25              exhibiting self-control, even in


 

 

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            1              disagreement, even in contention, I can say

 

            2              that from both sides of the dais that people

 

            3              are responsible and do exhibit self-control

 

            4              so that the meetings do go on without great

 

            5              controversy.  Unfortunately, we have little

 

            6              recourse.  There is little recourse to us

 

            7              when self-control is not exhibited as it

 

            8              occurred tonight, and I really don't like

 

            9              placing the officers that are here in a

 

           10              position where they are uncomfortable and

 

           11              need to exert outside control, but I do

 

           12              thank them for their efforts tonight and I

 

           13              want to apologize for the unfortunate

 

           14              occurrence that took place and, as I said, I

 

           15              think we have been -- or I have kind of been

 

           16              blessed with, you know, people exhibiting

 

           17              self-control and that have contributed to

 

           18              orderly -- even if they are on contentious

 

           19              meetings, and that is all I have.  Thank

 

           20              you.

 

           21                      MS. FANUCCI: I just want to say

 

           22              Happy Mother's Day to my mom, too, I don't

 

           23              want to be --and, of course, all of my

 

           24              colleagues and Kay and everyone here and

 

           25              everyone out there who are mothers, it's


 

 

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            1              definitely a special day, so enjoy.

 

            2                      MR. MCGOFF: Yes, and I guess I would

 

            3              be remiss as well, Happy Mother's Day to

 

            4              all.

 

            5                      MS. GATELLI: Can I just make one --

 

            6                      MR. MCGOFF: Yes, you may.

 

            7                      MS. GATELLI: I just wanted to make

 

            8              one announcement that I had forgotten, I got

 

            9              an e-mail and some verbal information that

 

           10              the old Tom and Jerry's on Pittston Avenue

 

           11              is being remodeled during the late hours of

 

           12              the evening.  I understand that this

 

           13              Saturday evening they are supposed to open.

 

           14              They are going to open at 2:00 in the

 

           15              morning, but Mr. Jackowitz isn't going to be

 

           16              able to have ham and eggs there.

 

           17                      MR. JACKOWITZ: It's not downtown.

 

           18                      MS. GATELLI:  Not downtown, well,

 

           19              it's close, and it's supposed to be an after

 

           20              hours dance club open from two to five in

 

           21              the morning.  It is not zoned for that and I

 

           22              would like to just put the owner on notice,

 

           23              whoever they are, that when they open they

 

           24              will be closed.  They are going to be

 

           25              violating the zoning ordinance of the City


 

 

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            1              of Scranton.  We have been successful with

 

            2              Charlie's Bar, Tony and Mary's, and Chick's

 

            3              Western Bar, so we are not afraid of who

 

            4              they are and we are not afraid of who is

 

            5              going there, and I would like to send a

 

            6              letter to Mr. Wallace, I know he knows about

 

            7              it because I did already speak to the mayor

 

            8              about it, and he was going to inform Mike,

 

            9              but please put it in writing if he can keep

 

           10              his eye there and possibly go out late in

 

           11              the evening to see if there is work going

 

           12              on, and if any of the neighbors see anything

 

           13              to please call us or e-mail us.  I do have

 

           14              one woman, she is my Pittston Avenue nazi

 

           15              and she reports to me what's going on in

 

           16              that particular location, but for all of the

 

           17              neighbors to please watch out that would be

 

           18              disastrous for that area if something like

 

           19              that should open, so that's all I have just

 

           20              to let people be aware.  Thank you,

 

           21              Mr. McGoff.

 

           22                      MR. MCGOFF: Mrs. Garvey.

 

           23                      MS. GARVEY: FIFTH ORDER.  NO

 

           24              BUSINESS AT THIS TIME.  SIXTH ORDER.  6-A.

 

           25              READING BY TITLE - FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 64,


 

 

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            1              2009 -  AN ORDINANCE - AMENDING FILE OF

 

            2              COUNCIL NO. 49, 2008, AN ORDINANCE "ENTITLED

 

            3              GENERAL CITY OPERATING BUDGET 2009" BY

 

            4              TRANSFERRING $25,000.00 FROM ACCOUNT NO.

 

            5              01.401.13090.4299 (NON DEPARTMENTAL

 

            6              OPERATING EXPENSES-CONTINGENCY) TO ACCOUNT

 

            7              NO. 01.040.00040.4190 (BUSINESS

 

            8              ADMINISTRATION  UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE) TO

 

            9              PROVIDE FUNDING TO COVER QUARTERLY PAYMENTS

 

           10              TO THE DEPARTMENT OF LABOR AND INDUSTRY.

 

           11                      MR. MCGOFF: You have heard reading

 

           12              by title of Item 6-a, what is your pleasure.

 

           13                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I move that Item 6-a

 

           14              pass reading by title.

 

           15                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.

 

           16                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All

 

           17              those in favor signify by saying aye.

 

           18                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.

 

           19                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.

 

           20                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.

 

           21                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.

 

           22                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The

 

           23              ayes have it and so moved.

 

           24                      MS. GARVEY: 6-B. READING BY TITLE -

 

           25              FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 65, 2009 - AN ORDINANCE-


 

 

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            1              CREATING AND ESTABLISHING SPECIAL CITY

 

            2              ACCOUNT NO. 02.229592 ENTITLED "BILLY

 

            3              BARRETT PARK GRANTS" FOR THE RECEIPT AND

 

            4              DISBURSEMENT OF GRANT FUNDS FROM VARIOUS

 

            5              SOURCES INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO

 

            6              LACKAWANNA ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION AND

 

            7              OUTDOOR RECREATION PARTNERSHIP ("LECOR"),

 

            8              DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AND COMMUNITY

 

            9              DEVELOPMENT ("DCED") AND BOUNDLESS

 

           10              PLAYGROUND FOR RENOVATION/REHABILITATION OF

 

           11              BILLY BARRETT PARK.

 

           12                      MR. MCGOFF: You have heard reading

 

           13              by title of Item 6-B, what is your pleasure?

 

           14                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I move that Item 6-B

 

           15              pass reading by title.

 

           16                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.

 

           17                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All

 

           18              those in favor signify by saying aye.

 

           19                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.

 

           20                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.

 

           21                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.

 

           22                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.

 

           23                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The

 

           24              ayes have it and so moved.

 

           25                      MS. GARVEY: 6-C. READING BY TITLE -


 

 

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            1              FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 66, 2009 - AN ORDINANCE-

 

            2              CREATING AND ESTABLISHING SPECIAL CITY

 

            3              ACCOUNT NO. 02.229591 ENTITLED "JIMMY

 

            4              CONNORS PARK GRANTS" FOR THE RECEIPT AND

 

            5              DISBURSEMENT OF GRANT FUNDS FROM VARIOUS

 

            6              SOURCES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO,

 

            7              LACKAWANNA ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION AND

 

            8              OUTDOOR RECREATION PARTNERSHIP ("LECOR"),

 

            9              DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AND COMMUNITY

 

           10              DEVELOPMENT ("DCED") AND BOUNDLESS

 

           11              PLAYGROUND FOR CONNORS PARK.

 

           12                      MR. MCGOFF: You have heard reading

 

           13              by title of Item 6-C, what is your pleasure?

 

           14                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I move that Item 6-C

 

           15              pass reading by title.

 

           16                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.

 

           17                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All

 

           18              those in favor signify by saying aye.

 

           19                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.

 

           20                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.

 

           21                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.

 

           22                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.

 

           23                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The

 

           24              ayes have it and so moved.

 

           25                      MS. GARVEY: SEVENTH ORDER.  7-A. FOR


 

 

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            1              CONSIDERATION BY THE COMMITTEE ON COMMUNITY

 

            2              DEVELOPMENT - FOR ADOPTION - RESOLUTION NO.

 

            3              118, 2009 - AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND OTHER

 

            4              APPROPRIATE CITY OFFICIALS TO ACCEPT AND

 

            5              DISBURSE GRANT FUNDS THROUGH LACKAWANNA

 

            6              COUNTY FOR A LACKAWANNA ENVIRONMENTAL

 

            7              CONSERVATION AND OUTDOOR RECREATION

 

            8              PARTNERSHIP PROGRAM ("LECOR") GRANT IN THE

 

            9              AMOUNT OF $22,500.00; AND EXECUTE THE GRANT

 

           10              AGREEMENT RELATED THERETO FOR

 

           11              RENOVATION/REHABILITATION OF THE BILLY

 

           12              BARRETT PARK, 2927 COLLIERY AVENUE AND

 

           13              MCDONOUGH STREET, SCRANTON, PENNSYLVANIA.

 

           14                      MR. MCGOFF:  What is the

 

           15              recommendation of the Chairperson for the

 

           16              Committee on Community Development?

 

           17                      MS. FANUCCI: As Chairperson for the

 

           18              Committee on Community Development, I

 

           19              recommend final passage of Item 7-A.

 

           20                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.

 

           21                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  Roll

 

           22              call, please?

 

           23                      MS. MAGNOTTA:  Mrs. Evans.

 

           24                      MS. EVANS:  Yes.

 

           25                      MS. MAGNOTTA:  Mrs. Gatelli.


 

 

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            1                      MS. GATELLI:  Yes.

 

            2                      MS. MAGNOTTA:  Ms. Fanucci.

 

            3                      MS. FANUCCI:  Yes.

 

            4                      MS. MAGNOTTA:  Mr. Courtright.

 

            5                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Yes.

 

            6                      MS. MAGNOTTA:  Mr. McGoff.

 

            7                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes.  I hereby declare

 

            8              Item 7-A legally and lawfully adopted.

 

            9                      MS. GARVEY: 7-B. FOR CONSIDERATION

 

           10              BY THE COMMITTEE ON COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT -

 

           11              FOR ADOPTION - RESOLUTION NO. 119, 2009 -

 

           12              AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND OTHER APPROPRIATE

 

           13              CITY OFFICIALS TO ACCEPT AND DISBURSE GRANT

 

           14              FUNDS THROUGH LACKAWANNA COUNTY FOR A

 

           15              LACKAWANNA ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION AND

 

           16              OUTDOOR RECREATION PARTNERSHIP PROGRAM

 

           17              ("LECOR") GRANT IN THE AMOUNT OF $22,500.00;

 

           18              AND EXECUTE THE GRANT AGREEMENT RELATED

 

           19              THERETO FOR CONNORS PARK LOCATED AT 515

 

           20              ORCHARD STREET, SCRANTON, PENNSYLVANIA.

 

           21                      MR. MCGOFF:  What is the

 

           22              recommendation of the Chairperson for the

 

           23              Committee on Community Development?

 

           24                      MS. FANUCCI: As Chairperson for the

 

           25              Committee on Community Development, I


 

 

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            1              recommend final passage of Item 7-B.

 

            2                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.

 

            3                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  Roll

 

            4              call, please?

 

            5                      MS. MAGNOTTA:  Mrs. Evans.

 

            6                      MS. EVANS:  Yes.

 

            7                      MS. MAGNOTTA:  Mrs. Gatelli.

 

            8                      MS. GATELLI:  Yes.

 

            9                      MS. MAGNOTTA:  Ms. Fanucci.

 

           10                      MS. FANUCCI:  Yes.

 

           11                      MS. MAGNOTTA:  Mr. Courtright.

 

           12                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Yes.

 

           13                      MS. MAGNOTTA:  Mr. McGoff.

 

           14                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes.  I hereby declare

 

           15              Item XX legally and lawfully adopted.

 

           16                      MS. GARVEY: 7-C. FOR CONSIDERATION

 

           17              BY THE COMMITTEE ON COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT -

 

           18              FOR ADOPTION - RESOLUTION NO. 120, 2009 -

 

           19              AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND OTHER APPROPRIATE

 

           20              CITY OFFICIALS TO EXECUTE AND APPLY FOR A

 

           21              GRANT THROUGH THE PA DEPARTMENT OF

 

           22              CONSERVATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES (DCNR) IN

 

           23              THE AMOUNT OF $50,000.00; IF THE APPLICATION

 

           24              IS SUCCESSFUL, ACCEPTING AND DISBURSING THE

 

           25              GRANT FUNDS FOR THE RESTORATION/RENOVATION


 

 

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            1              OF FELLOW'S PARK IN THE CITY OF SCRANTON.

 

            2                      MR. MCGOFF:  What is the

 

            3              recommendation of the Chairperson for the

 

            4              Committee on Community Development?

 

            5                      MS. FANUCCI: As Chairperson for the

 

            6              Committee on Community Development, I

 

            7              recommend final passage of Item 7-C.

 

            8                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.

 

            9                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  I

 

           10              know it came up before, Mr. Sbargalia had

 

           11              asked and I said I would read it and now I'm

 

           12              not going to find it.

 

           13                      MR. COURTRIGHT: It's light --

 

           14                      MS. FANUCCI: Lights, sidewalks --

 

           15                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Lights, sidewalks,

 

           16              paving and the parking area.

 

           17                      MS. EVANS: It's already been

 

           18              finished.

 

           19                      MR. MCGOFF: I'm sorry, resurfacing

 

           20              the parking area, removal of old playground

 

           21              equipment, installation of new ADA

 

           22              accessible playground equipment, safety

 

           23              surface, ADA access, security lighting,

 

           24              project acknowledgment sign and other

 

           25              related amenities.


 

 

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            1                      MS. GATELLI:  I think some of those

 

            2              have to be done for the Disabilities Act,

 

            3              you know, they have to be upgraded to

 

            4              accommodate those that are disabled.

 

            5                      MR. MCGOFF: Roll call, please.

 

            6                      MS. MAGNOTTA:  Mrs. Evans.

 

            7                      MS. EVANS:  Yes.

 

            8                      MS. MAGNOTTA:  Mrs. Gatelli.

 

            9                      MS. GATELLI:  Yes.

 

           10                      MS. MAGNOTTA:  Ms. Fanucci.

 

           11                      MS. FANUCCI:  Yes.

 

           12                      MS. MAGNOTTA:  Mr. Courtright.

 

           13                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Yes.

 

           14                      MS. MAGNOTTA:  Mr. McGoff.

 

           15                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes.  I hereby declare

 

           16              Item 7-C legally and lawfully adopted.

 

           17                      MS. GARVEY: 7-D. FOR CONSIDERATION

 

           18              BY THE COMMITTEE ON RULES FOR ADOPTION -

 

           19              RESOLUTION NO. 121, 2009 - AUTHORIZING THE

 

           20              MAYOR AND OTHER APPROPRIATE CITY OFFICIALS

 

           21              TO EXECUTE AND ENTER INTO A CONTRACT WITH

 

           22              THE SEGAL COMPANY TO SERVE AS THE NATIONAL

 

           23              HEALTHCARE CONSULTANT TO THE CITY OF

 

           24              SCRANTON THROUGH THE HEALTHCARE COST

 

           25              CONTAINMENT COMMITTEE AND TO RATIFY ANY AND


 

 

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            1              ALL SERVICES PERFORMED BY THE SEGAL COMPANY

 

            2              SINCE APRIL 1, 2009.

 

            3                      MR. MCGOFF:  As Chair for the

 

            4              Committee on Rules, I recommend final

 

            5              passage of Item 7-D.

 

            6                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.

 

            7                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?

 

            8                      MS. EVANS: Yes.  I would be voting

 

            9              in favor of this legislation.  I am actually

 

           10              very pleased to see it on the agenda because

 

           11              the Health Care Accost Containment Committee

 

           12              had not met for many years and as a result

 

           13              not only does the city and the employees

 

           14              suffer because they may have been able to

 

           15              establish better health care rates, but it

 

           16              inevitably it's the taxpayers who suffer,

 

           17              and so for whatever occurred all of those

 

           18              years that caused that committee to lie

 

           19              dormant it certainly is I think a good

 

           20              thing, a win-win situation all around, and

 

           21              hopefully they are going be able to get

 

           22              those costs down as had been done years ago

 

           23              under a Health Care Cost Containment

 

           24              Committee, several million dollars had

 

           25              actually been cut and saved, so that's it.


 

 

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            1                      MR. MCGOFF:  Anyone else?  Roll

 

            2              call, please?

 

            3                      MS. MAGNOTTA:  Mrs. Evans.

 

            4                      MS. EVANS:  Yes.

 

            5                      MS. MAGNOTTA:  Mrs. Gatelli.

 

            6                      MS. GATELLI:  Yes.

 

            7                      MS. MAGNOTTA:  Ms. Fanucci.

 

            8                      MS. FANUCCI:  Yes.

 

            9                      MS. MAGNOTTA:  Mr. Courtright.

 

           10                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Yes.

 

           11                      MS. MAGNOTTA:  Mr. McGoff.

 

           12                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes.  I hereby declare

 

           13              Item 7-D legally and lawfully adopted.

 

           14                      MS. GATELLI:  Motion to adjourn.

 

           15                      MS. FANUCCI:  So moved.

 

           16                      MR. MCGOFF:  Thank you for your

 

           17              participation and cooperation.

 

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            5        I hereby certify that the proceedings and

 

            6   evidence are contained fully and accurately in the

 

            7   notes of testimony taken by me at the hearing of the

 

            8   above-captioned matter and that the foregoing is a true

 

            9   and correct transcript of the same to the best of my

 

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