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            1              SCRANTON CITY COUNCIL MEETING

 

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            5                          HELD:

 

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            7                   Tuesday, April 28, 2009

 

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            9                        LOCATION:

 

           10                    Council Chambers

 

           11                 Scranton City Hall

 

           12              340 North Washington Avenue

 

           13                Scranton, Pennsylvania

 

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                    CATHENE S. NARDOZZI, RPR - OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER

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            2   CITY OF SCRANTON COUNCIL:

 

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                MR. ROBERT MCGOFF, PRESIDENT

            5   (Not present)

 

            6   MS. JUDY GATELLI, VICE-PRESIDENT

 

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                MS. JANET E. EVANS

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            9   MS. SHERRY FANUCCI

 

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                MR. WILLIAM COURTRIGHT

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           12   MS. KAY GARVEY, CITY CLERK

 

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                MR. NEIL COOLICAN, ASSISTANT CITY CLERK

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           15   MR. AMIL MINORA, SOLICITOR

 

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            1   (Pledge of Allegiance recited and moment of reflection

                observed.)

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            3                      MS. GATELLI: Roll call.

 

            4                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.

 

            5                      (Mrs. Evans not present.)

 

            6                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Gatelli.

 

            7                      MS. GATELLI:  Here.

 

            8                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.

 

            9                      MS. FANUCCI:  Here.

 

           10                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. Courtright.

 

           11                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Here.

 

           12                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.

 

           13                      (Mr. McGoff not present.)

 

           14                      MS. GATELLI: Dispense with the

 

           15              reading of the minutes.

 

           16                      MS. GARVEY: THIRD ORDER.  3-A.

 

           17              APPLICATIONS AND DECISIONS RENDERED BY THE

 

           18              ZONING HEARING BOARD MEETING HELD ON APRIL

 

           19              8, 2009.

 

           20                      MS. GATELLI: Are there any comments?

 

           21              If not, received and filed.

 

           22                      MS. GARVEY: 3-B.  TAX COLLECTION

 

           23              COMPARISON REPORT RECEIVED IN THE SINGLE TAX

 

           24              OFFICE ON APRIL 13, 2009.

 

           25                      MS. GATELLI: Are there any comments?


 

 

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            1              If not, received and filed.

 

            2                      MS. GARVEY:  3-C. MINUTES OF THE

 

            3              FIREMEN'S PENSION COMMISSION MEETING HELD ON

 

            4              MARCH 25, 2009.

 

            5                      MS. GATELLI: Are there any comments?

 

            6              If not, received and filed.

 

            7                      MS. GARVEY: 3-D.  MINUTES OF THE

 

            8              POLICE PENSION MEETING HELD ON MARCH 25,

 

            9              2009.

 

           10                      MS. GATELLI:  Are any comments?  If

 

           11              not, received and filed.

 

           12                      MS. GARVEY: 3-E.  MINUTES OF THE

 

           13              COMPOSITE PENSION BOARD MEETING HELD ON

 

           14              MARCH 25, 2009.

 

           15                      MS. GATELLI:  Are there any

 

           16              comments?  If not, received and filed.

 

           17                      MS. GARVEY: 3-F.  MINUTES OF THE

 

           18              NON-UNIFORM MUNICIPAL PENSION BOARD MEETING

 

           19              HELD ON MARCH 25, 2009.

 

           20                      MS. GATELLI: Are there any comments?

 

           21              If not, received and filed.

 

           22                      MS. GARVEY: 3-G. AGENDA FOR THE

 

           23              NON-UNIFORM PENSION BOARD MEETING HELD ON

 

           24              APRIL 22, 2009.

 

           25                      MS. GATELLI: Are there any comments?


 

 

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            1              If not, received and filed.

 

            2                      MS. GARVEY: 3-H. CONTROLLER'S REPORT

 

            3              FOR THE MONTH ENDING MARCH 2009.

 

            4                      MS. GATELLI: Are there any comments?

 

            5              If not, received and filed.

 

            6                      MS. GARVEY: That's it to Third

 

            7              Order.

 

            8                      MS. GATELLI: Before we get onto

 

            9              citizens' participation I would just like to

 

           10              announce that Mr. McGoff was released from

 

           11              the hospital on Saturday and he is still

 

           12              recuperating, that's why he is absent this

 

           13              evening, and Mrs. Evans is out again.  She

 

           14              hurt her back, so I would just like to have

 

           15              you keep them in your prayers and hope that

 

           16              they both get well soon.

 

           17                      I would also like to comment on the

 

           18              large fire that we had this afternoon.  I

 

           19              heard about it at work today and we put the

 

           20              news on.  It was a devastating fire with

 

           21              three houses involved.  Thank God no one got

 

           22              hurt, and hats off to the firemen who did a

 

           23              wonderful job and I think that some of them

 

           24              were called in, Mr. Schreiber, weren't they?

 

           25                      MR. SCHREIBER: Some.


 

 

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            1                      MS. GATELLI: And also we got some

 

            2              help from our neighboring communities who we

 

            3              also I understand help when they need us for

 

            4              their fires that are very large, so it's

 

            5              nice to have that relationship with the

 

            6              other communities that we help each other

 

            7              when need be and that's the way it should be

 

            8              and it's wonderful to see that type of

 

            9              cooperation.

 

           10                      This Wednesday and Thursday at St.

 

           11              Lucy's Church this West Side there is

 

           12              spaghetti dinner from 5 to 8, takeouts are

 

           13              from 3 to 5.  West Scranton High School is

 

           14              having it's yearly play, the West Scranton

 

           15              Players, that will next Friday and Saturday,

 

           16              May 7 and 8 at 7:00 and Sunday, May 9, at

 

           17              2:00 and that's $5.

 

           18                      We got a letter from Mr. Rankosky,

 

           19              the vice president of the West Scranton

 

           20              Neighborhood Association supporting the

 

           21              rehabilitation of Fellows Park in West Side.

 

           22              The city is putting forth the application

 

           23              for funding for this project and he said in

 

           24              his sorely needed upgrading the playground

 

           25              equipment and consider this letter in


 

 

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            1              support of the project for the neighborhood

 

            2              children, and I thank Wally for sending that

 

            3              letter in.

 

            4                      The "No Parking" signs on Moosic

 

            5              Street, I got a letter back from Jeff

 

            6              Brazil, and he said that they did not remove

 

            7              the signs and he doesn't believe that the

 

            8              city has jurisdiction because that's a state

 

            9              road.  So, Mrs. Garvey, if we can send that

 

           10              letter along to PennDOT maybe they can help

 

           11              us with that and he also said that he is

 

           12              going to patch the road near the Lackawanna

 

           13              Little League, but he plans on paving that

 

           14              this summer, so that road will be paved.

 

           15                      This Thursday there will be a

 

           16              meeting at the county to discuss the next

 

           17              step concerning the Single Tax Office.  The

 

           18              meeting is going to take place in the

 

           19              commissioner's office and if Bob can't make

 

           20              it Mrs. Fanucci has offered to go in his

 

           21              place.  And I think that's all I have.

 

           22              Anyone else?

 

           23                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Just one thing, I

 

           24              just would like it read this letter from the

 

           25              Cystic Fibrosis Foundation.  Excuse me, I've


 

 

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            1              got allergies bothering me today.  "This

 

            2              letter is to introduce Angie Tulovich as a

 

            3              volunteer of Northeastern, PA Chapter of the

 

            4              Cystic Fibrosis Foundation.  She is

 

            5              collecting donations for "Our Great Strides

 

            6              Walk" taking place on Saturday, May 16,

 

            7              2007, 10:00 a.m. at the Kirby Park in

 

            8              Wilkes-Barre.  Proceeds from this event will

 

            9              fund the CF foundation's efforts to assure

 

           10              development of the means to secure and

 

           11              control CF and to improve the quality of

 

           12              life with those with the disease.

 

           13                      CF is the number one genetic disease

 

           14              in the United States.  During the past

 

           15              decade, the average life expectancy of

 

           16              someone with CF has increased from 14 years

 

           17              of age to 35 years of age, but we still lose

 

           18              too many children to this devastating

 

           19              disease.  We are grateful to you and Angie

 

           20              and all other dedicated volunteers who so

 

           21              generously donate their time and efforts to

 

           22              help money for the CF foundation.

 

           23                      Thank you for consideration of this

 

           24              request and we help you are able to support

 

           25              Angie on her efforts on behalf of the 30,000


 

 

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            1              children and young adults battling CF."

 

            2                      And that's from Tiffany Granter,

 

            3              director of special events.  Thank you.

 

            4                      MS. GATELLI:  Mrs. Fanucci,

 

            5              anything?

 

            6                      MS. FANUCCI:  No, I have nothing.

 

            7                      MS. GATELLI: First speaker is

 

            8              Mr. Sbaraglia.  Also, before he start today

 

            9              I would like to welcome a class from the

 

           10              University of Scranton who are with us this

 

           11              evening, they are up in the balcony.  Thanks

 

           12              for being here.

 

           13                      MR. SBARAGLIA: Andy Sbaraglia,

 

           14              citizen of Scranton.  Fellow Scrantonians,

 

           15              well, two meetings ago I heard that "W" word

 

           16              mentioned many times, and I'm appalled even

 

           17              though somebody did it anonymously, I'm

 

           18              still appalled that somebody would call

 

           19              another person by that name, but I'm even

 

           20              more appalled that when the police chief

 

           21              called his female employees that word and

 

           22              yous --the three of yous, women that are

 

           23              sitting there, didn't call for his firing is

 

           24              beyond me.  That's more appalling.  Yous

 

           25              don't stick up for each other.  Apparently,


 

 

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            1              you don't want people being called that

 

            2              word.

 

            3                      I find it offensive and I'm sorry

 

            4              that you use it feel it is more offensive as

 

            5              me.  If you did I guess this argument would

 

            6              never happen again, but it was done.  It was

 

            7              done, so he took a slap on the wrist.  I

 

            8              guess he is ball player and as long as he is

 

            9              on the team that's all they're going to get

 

           10              is slaps on the wrist.

 

           11                      I heard the debt mentioned.  True,

 

           12              you are not responsible for most of that

 

           13              debt.  Before you sat there the council

 

           14              borrowed, it was actually the first council

 

           15              after the mayor was elected, voted for a

 

           16              $72 million loan.  They also voted to sell

 

           17              the golf course.  They also voted for that

 

           18              DPW site agreement and they also voted for

 

           19              the South Side Complex being sold and they

 

           20              were Councilman Pocius and Councilman

 

           21              Hazzouri.  They sat there, I fought with

 

           22              them on it many times, but then they were

 

           23              given a pension.  Was it for their voting

 

           24              record or was it they were just good old

 

           25              boys and they were team players and that's


 

 

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            1              the reason they got the pension?  They went

 

            2              to Court and it was really something.  Our

 

            3              local Court said you are not entitled to a

 

            4              pension and they were quite explicit if you

 

            5              are sitting up there now you will not get a

 

            6              pension or maybe you will get a pension, but

 

            7              anyway, the Court said you would not get a

 

            8              pension.

 

            9                      And then it went on it was appealed

 

           10              and went on and it was thrown out there what

 

           11              amounted to they use the wrong colored paper

 

           12              when they submitted their argument, and this

 

           13              is the truth, so it was semantics, not the

 

           14              issue was never debated that they were or

 

           15              weren't, but they were -- I wish I could

 

           16              have remembered to keep that little piece of

 

           17              paper, it was only this big, but it was

 

           18              semantics.  They should have did this, they

 

           19              said they should have submitted this in

 

           20              instead of that, and that's why they

 

           21              dismissed it and the merits were never even

 

           22              discussed.  So that's the bad part about it.

 

           23              So now we got two councilmen that have

 

           24              pensions for the rest of their life and we

 

           25              are stuck.  I don't know why they were


 

 

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            1              voted.  I still don't know.  Nobody could

 

            2              have been forced to sign that paper.  You

 

            3              are all independent.  No matter what, you

 

            4              didn't have to do what was done and I'm not

 

            5              here to name names because there is no sense

 

            6              to it.

 

            7                      But these things are going on

 

            8              throughout the city.  A lot of laws are

 

            9              being broken, overlooked, not utilized, but,

 

           10              you know, if a person walks around and

 

           11              should throw something on the sidewalk he

 

           12              could be arrested, but politicians could

 

           13              break any kind of law they want to and

 

           14              nothing is done.  The district attorney

 

           15              closes his eyes up there and I don't know

 

           16              why.

 

           17                      The tax office is in disarray.  Now,

 

           18              I didn't like -- I like Flynn, but I didn't

 

           19              like her telling Mr. Courtright it was none

 

           20              of his business.  That to me was offensive.

 

           21              She should have never done that, if he was

 

           22              running for that office or not.  She should

 

           23              have never been in the county, and the other

 

           24              comment that was made was it a forensic

 

           25              audit.  Now, the man who said that is a


 

 

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            1              lawyer and a CPA.  He knew it was a not a

 

            2              forensic audit, but why he let you believe

 

            3              it I don't know and this is a sad point.

 

            4              You cannot mislead the public on any issue

 

            5              and expect to get away it.  Not in today's

 

            6              day and age.  Something is drastically wrong

 

            7              with the Single Tax Office and I hope they

 

            8              do something about it.  Thank you.

 

            9                      MS. GATELLI: Mr. Quinn.

 

           10                      MR. QUINN: Ozzie Quinn, Taxpayers'

 

           11              Association.  First, I would like to note

 

           12              that we had mayor interviews last week and

 

           13              they are going to be shown on ECTV, Channel

 

           14              61, Wednesday, tomorrow night, at 6:30 p.m.,

 

           15              Thursday, 10 a.m, and Friday, 2:30 p.m. If

 

           16              we can get more on it I'll try to get more

 

           17              on it.  Appreciate it very much.

 

           18                      Secondly, you know, the Taxpayers'

 

           19              Association for the last year has been

 

           20              listening to this tax office thing, okay,

 

           21              and we would be very remiss if we didn't get

 

           22              involved, and0 the fact is that I'm going to

 

           23              give you a letter here, okay, from the

 

           24              Taxpayers' Association in my name where I'm

 

           25              requesting the District Attorney to do an


 

 

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            1              investigation and if he doesn't do it then

 

            2              the Attorney General can do it, okay?  And

 

            3              it's because of the fact that we cannot

 

            4              account for over $2 million, it's

 

            5              disturbing, and the fact that the office is

 

            6              commingling funds and using them for

 

            7              whatever appear to be unauthorized

 

            8              expenditures in our opinion, at the very

 

            9              least malfeasance, so I'd appreciate if you

 

           10              people support us and bring the -- ask the

 

           11              District Attorney or the Attorney General to

 

           12              come in and investigate.  That's a lot of

 

           13              money for a city our size of taxpayers

 

           14              $2 million.  Thank you.

 

           15                      Third, last thing, you know, I got

 

           16              this flyer, and I'm sure mostly all of

 

           17              Democrats in the City of Scranton got this

 

           18              flyer and it's glossy, printed up flyer,

 

           19              very expensive, and I looked at it and it's

 

           20              from -- well, actually, it's crazy Chris

 

           21              Doherty, and I looked up and it says, "Paid

 

           22              for and authorized by the Pennsylvania

 

           23              Democrat State Committee," and then

 

           24              Harrisburg, PA.  Is that an endorsement?

 

           25                      MS. GATELLI:  Mr. Quinn, please


 

 

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            1              refrain from talking about politics.

 

            2                      MR. QUINN:  Oh, I can talk about

 

            3              whatever I want to.

 

            4                      MS. GATELLI: No, Attorney Minora

 

            5              said that you can't.

 

            6                      MR. MINORA: No, you can't advocate

 

            7              one side or another from that forum.  You

 

            8              can go down to the courthouse and advocate

 

            9              anything you want, but not from that forum.

 

           10                      MR. QUINN:  Well, I just want to let

 

           11              you know that I did call Harrisburg and they

 

           12              said they did not endorse Mr. Doherty, that

 

           13              is bulk male they paid for.

 

           14                      MR. MINORA:  This is exactly what

 

           15              you are not supposed to talk about up there.

 

           16                      MR. QUINN: Gag rules are in order

 

           17              now that election is around.

 

           18                      MR. MINORA: The rules have always

 

           19              been the same, Mr. Quinn, you just don't

 

           20              always like them.

 

           21                      MR. QUINN:  That's correct, not when

 

           22              they come from you.  I'll tell you

 

           23              something --

 

           24                      MS. GATELLI: Please.  Please.

 

           25                      MR. QUINN:  I read the resolution


 

 

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            1              today, resolutions on different park and

 

            2              murals everything, you know, somebody

 

            3              getting money.  Well, you know, it's

 

            4              election time again, all right?  I took the

 

            5              corner at Gibson Street and North Washington

 

            6              Avenue and guess what the 1900 electric

 

            7              trolly rail is sticking up out of the road.

 

            8              Now, what are we doing here?  Parks and yet.

 

            9              You know, you can't even fix roads?  Come

 

           10              and.  Let's go.  This is terrible.  You

 

           11              people should be ashamed of yourself.

 

           12              Mrs. Gatelli, Mrs. Fanucci, Mr. McGoff, you

 

           13              are just a waste of time up there.  Thank

 

           14              you.

 

           15                      MS. GATELLI: Mr. Jackowitz.

 

           16                      MR. JACKOWITZ:  Good evening,

 

           17              Council.  Bill Jackowitz, an embarrassed

 

           18              South Scranton resident.  All taxes have

 

           19              been paid in full, two parking tickets paid

 

           20              within 24 hours of issuance.  Toastmasters

 

           21              International, rules: The person at the

 

           22              podium is a speaker.  Everybody else are the

 

           23              listeners.  We herd sheep, we drive cattle,

 

           24              we lead people.  Lead meaning following or

 

           25              get out of my way.


 

 

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            1                      Two week ago meeting -- two weeks

 

            2              ago the meeting was a total embarrassment

 

            3              for the City of Scranton or should I say it

 

            4              ws Tuesday night at the fights.

 

            5                      What did you do today for freedom.

 

            6              Today at the front he or she died.  Today

 

            7              what did you do?  Next time you see a list

 

            8              of dead and wounded ask yourself, what have

 

            9              I done today for freedom?  What can I do

 

           10              tomorrow that will save the lives of men and

 

           11              woman like this and help them win the war or

 

           12              provide for my safety?  This statement

 

           13              applies to all military members, police

 

           14              officers and firefighters who risk their

 

           15              lives on a daily basis and some die and some

 

           16              are disabled for the remainder of their

 

           17              lives then they are forgotten by the same

 

           18              politicians who put them in harm's way.

 

           19                      If the City of Scranton continues on

 

           20              the path of distress that it has been on for

 

           21              the past 17 years there will no longer be a

 

           22              city of Scranton, but more importantly, the

 

           23              financial irresponsibility has lead this

 

           24              city right into unpayable debt.  The public

 

           25              must become involved, we pay the bills.  It


 

 

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            1              is our safety that is in question.  You

 

            2              never put money before the safety of your

 

            3              citizens.  Just imagine a police officer or

 

            4              a firefighter responding to an emergency

 

            5              their shift ends, they turn their police

 

            6              cruiser or fire engine around and say, "Oh

 

            7              well, my shift is over, next shift can

 

            8              respond to the fire, the robbery, or the

 

            9              shooting in South Scranton."

 

           10                      Sounds ridiculous, doesn't it?  21

 

           11              April, 2009, newspaper, mayor, "City on an

 

           12              upswing."  I felt like I was at a city

 

           13              council meeting.  The same rhetoric, no

 

           14              specifics or solutions.  Everything that the

 

           15              mayor mentioned has been paid for by the

 

           16              taxpayers, public money, no private money.

 

           17              Kildare's restaurant was built with nonunion

 

           18              labor out of towners.  We overpaid for the

 

           19              dog park, treehouse and bridge to no where.

 

           20              Boy Scouts camping out does not justify

 

           21              $1 million taxpayers' dollars.  It still

 

           22              leads it no where.

 

           23                      The 500-block of Lackawanna Avenue,

 

           24              taxpayers' money.  Parking garage,

 

           25              taxpayers' money.  Connell building and


 

 

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            1              garage, taxpayers' money.  Hilton and

 

            2              Radison, taxpayers' money.  In Scranton the

 

            3              mayor is proud of the fact that he has

 

            4              reduced public safety by reducing 23 police

 

            5              officers, eight firefighters and 48 fewer

 

            6              clerical workers.  He failed to mention the

 

            7              50 plus Doherty supporters he hired and the

 

            8              fact that the city payroll has increased not

 

            9              decreased since Doherty has been mayor.

 

           10                      Scranton Sewer Authority, how many

 

           11              new jobs created by the mayor for the

 

           12              supporters.  How about the 100 city employee

 

           13              forced into early retirement by Mayor

 

           14              Doherty?  Each budget has been higher with

 

           15              the exception of 2009 budget.  The debt has

 

           16              grown from 35 million to $150 million

 

           17              short-term, 400 million long-term debt.

 

           18              More businesses have left the downtown than

 

           19              moved into downtown.  Steamtown Mall has

 

           20              lost more tenants than they have gained.

 

           21              14 percent vacancy rate currently.  How many

 

           22              conventions have been held in the Hilton?

 

           23                      People working in Scranton, not

 

           24              accurate.  The Scranton metropolitan area

 

           25              has the highest unemployment rate in the


 

 

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            1              state, 8.7 percent currently.  On a monthly

 

            2              basis I provide council with facts.  The

 

            3              Scranton metropolitan area is the either the

 

            4              highest or second highest employment every

 

            5              month, low wages, high unemployment and

 

            6              misrepresentation by our elected officials

 

            7              and Chamber of Commerce.  Tell the truth.

 

            8              People can handle it.

 

            9                      Regular speakers such as myself, the

 

           10              ten of us, must sit in the audience week

 

           11              after week and listen to lies.  Council

 

           12              members at least have the opportunity to

 

           13              interrupt and speak over the speakers using

 

           14              up to the speaker's time.  Scranton ten do

 

           15              not have that opportunity.  We are ruled out

 

           16              of order in violation of the council rules.

 

           17              I do not tell lies.  If I cannot back it up,

 

           18              I will not say it.

 

           19                      As far as voting, yes, all the time

 

           20              shows me that you are not an independent

 

           21              thinker, have no leadership skills or

 

           22              ability to make your own decisions.  You

 

           23              must rely upon someone else, the mayor or

 

           24              someone in the administration to tell you

 

           25              how to vote.  The distressed city of


 

 

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            1              Scranton needs leaders not puppets or rubber

 

            2              stampers, otherwise we will remain a

 

            3              distressed city.

 

            4                      Where are the private investors that

 

            5              mayor Doherty speaks about?  May I finish?

 

            6                      MS. GATELLI: Yes.  Go ahead.

 

            7                      MR. JACKOWITZ: Mayor Doherty speaks

 

            8              about.  By the way, where is the mayor

 

            9              besides being on television telling stories.

 

           10              No private money is being invested in

 

           11              Scranton.  Alexander's Salon and Spa,

 

           12              $11,984.90 federal tax lien, but yet we gave

 

           13              them a $250,000 loan.  This is not the first

 

           14              tax lien against them.

 

           15                      MS. GATELLI:  Thank you.

 

           16                      MR. JACKOWITZ: Medical school, state

 

           17              project, not a city project.

 

           18                      MS. GATELLI: Just for the record,

 

           19              Alexander's is current on their loan with

 

           20              the city as I did investigate that when I

 

           21              saw the tax lien in the paper.  Mr. Bolus.

 

           22                      MR. BOLUS: Good evening, Council,

 

           23              Bob Bolus, Scranton.  Just a couple of quick

 

           24              things I think tonight.  One, I'm very

 

           25              disappointed what's happening with the


 

 

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            1              school for the deaf.  It's been here, people

 

            2              have to go there and actually see what these

 

            3              people have accomplished and what they have

 

            4              done and to see that it's being turntabled,

 

            5              it's just very disappointing that we can't

 

            6              get this stopped and really tell the

 

            7              governor what we want to keep in our city

 

            8              and to deprive these people of a facility

 

            9              like that, you know, I mean, it's just sad

 

           10              that now we are abusing the deaf people in

 

           11              the City of Scranton and we want to build a

 

           12              medical school.

 

           13                      Then I'd like to know who is really

 

           14              going to get the building when it goes?  Is

 

           15              it going to go to the medical school?  Is it

 

           16              going to go to Marywood?  You know, who is

 

           17              putting it up for grabs another tax free

 

           18              facility, something else at our expense.

 

           19                      I would really like to know who is

 

           20              really responsible for bringing the med

 

           21              school here.  Was it Mellow?  Is it Doherty?

 

           22              You know, is it the bishop?  I don't know

 

           23              who brought it here, but everybody seems to

 

           24              want to take credit for it, and I really

 

           25              like to know once and for all who is


 

 

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            1              responsible for bringing it here.  You know,

 

            2              it's tax free.  We are not getting the

 

            3              benefit out of it.  The taxpayers aren't,

 

            4              maybe some businesses will do well, but I

 

            5              don't think they are going to share their

 

            6              profits with us or allow us to stay in their

 

            7              vacation homes wherever they have them.  I

 

            8              know it's not the taxpayers and that's

 

            9              what's wrong in the city.

 

           10                      I'm going to get into Genesis is

 

           11              what I gave you there.  This Beatrice

 

           12              Heveran, she is an attorney, she was at some

 

           13              point, she was suspended at one point.  She

 

           14              was cited for horse manure in the streams.

 

           15              She tried to tell the Food and Drug

 

           16              Administration what we should do with cows.

 

           17              You know, she even came down when she was

 

           18              suspended she had to go to the high court to

 

           19              get reinstated because she didn't keep up

 

           20              her credits, but yet she could tell us how

 

           21              to live in the city.  She turned around, she

 

           22              put an application in where she wanted to

 

           23              work up at the zoo or the Genesis as a

 

           24              volunteer.  I stopped up there not last

 

           25              Sunday, the Sunday before the zoo was closed


 

 

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            1              down, or the park was closed down or the

 

            2              farm or whatever we want to call it, and

 

            3              listened to little children hysterically

 

            4              crying because they couldn't feed the

 

            5              animals anymore.  She want standing there,

 

            6              she didn't hear it.  She does not even live

 

            7              in our city.  She is a transplant from

 

            8              another area, she has no idea what

 

            9              Scrantonians are about, but ironically

 

           10              enough she just recently married the dean of

 

           11              the medical school, that's her new husband,

 

           12              but on her application when she wasn't even

 

           13              married yet she put him down as a husband.

 

           14              As an attorney I think she should she know

 

           15              right from wrong, who is a husband who

 

           16              isn't.

 

           17                      I'd like to know what's going to

 

           18              happen with the old zoo now?  Is it going to

 

           19              turn into a restaurant, an attraction, pay

 

           20              to see the empty zoo.  You going to turn it

 

           21              into it a horse barn?  Maybe she has

 

           22              something to do with the mayor.  Maybe she

 

           23              wants to put a stable there.  We kicked out

 

           24              the equestrians that we had here before and

 

           25              the city had them, the Haverites in the


 

 

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            1              park.  And, you know, the other interesting

 

            2              park if your research Nay Aug you will find

 

            3              the roads in there are bridle paths so any

 

            4              one of us that feel like taking our horses

 

            5              you can go up and ride now because they

 

            6              can't stop us, especially the parks and

 

            7              recreation because that's what it was deeded

 

            8              for.  That's what it's intent was.

 

            9                      MS. FANUCCI: Bob, you are not

 

           10              suggesting people do that though?

 

           11                      MR. BOLUS:  Absolutely, I am.

 

           12                      MS. FANUCCI: Oh, you are then?

 

           13                      MR. BOLUS: Absolutely.

 

           14                      MS. FANUCCI: That's what you think

 

           15              you should do.

 

           16                      MR. BOLUS: It's out park.

 

           17                      MS. FANUCCI: I just wanted to

 

           18              clarify it.  Okay.

 

           19                      MR. BOLUS:  It's our park, Sherry.

 

           20                      MS. FANUCCI: Okay, I just wanted to

 

           21              --

 

           22                      MR. BOLUS: I suggest people should

 

           23              ride horses up there, if you can't walk in

 

           24              the park -- we paid for it, we paid millions

 

           25              and we've kicked everything out of there so


 

 

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            1              let's go horseback riding.

 

            2                      MS. FANUCCI: Okay.

 

            3                      MR. BOLUS: Take your buggy up.  Take

 

            4              your girlfriend for a nice ride in the buggy

 

            5              around the house paths.  Put some romance in

 

            6              the city, do something.

 

            7                      You know, I'd like to know what the

 

            8              mayor has promised Beatrice to go through

 

            9              all of the efforts she did.  You know, I

 

           10              think she should just stay in her own

 

           11              community in Waverly, clean up the mess up

 

           12              there, maybe get the taxes reduced up there,

 

           13              you know, really start worrying about what's

 

           14              going on out there, but I would greatly

 

           15              appreciate it she keeps her nose out of

 

           16              Scranton.  When the South Side complex was

 

           17              sold, when we had issues going on down here,

 

           18              how about her going for fees on nonprofits.

 

           19              She is an attorney, she a genius, she knows

 

           20              how to get the job done presumably, let here

 

           21              get fees on the medical school, the

 

           22              University, then she can maybe come and say

 

           23              I'm champion the cause of the taxpayers in

 

           24              Scranton.  Other than that, stay out of

 

           25              Scranton, we really don't need her type.


 

 

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            1                      MS. GATELLI:  Thank you, Bob.

 

            2              Mr. Miller.

 

            3                      MR. MILLER:  Good evening, Council,

 

            4              Doug Miller, Scranton.  I'd like to bring up

 

            5              Genesis as well, it's an issue we have heard

 

            6              the last few weeks.  As we know, Margie left

 

            7              the facility recently, took her animals back

 

            8              to her facility in the Poconos and now it's

 

            9              safe to say that this Beatrice Heveran is

 

           10              getting ready to take over this facility and

 

           11              from what we heard, as I did say several

 

           12              weeks back, that we had reason to believe

 

           13              there was a plan in place and we do and we

 

           14              have reason to believe that allegedly

 

           15              Mrs. Heveran is planning on putting in a

 

           16              restaurant, but according to --

 

           17                      MS. FANUCCI: That is totally

 

           18              inaccurate.  I will tell you that's not

 

           19              true.  You can say that you believe that,

 

           20              but that is not even close to reality.

 

           21                      MR. MILLER: Oh, I understand.

 

           22                      MS. FANUCCI: I just want to make you

 

           23              aware of that.

 

           24                      MR. MILLER: I don't think any of us

 

           25              know because if we did we would know by now,


 

 

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            1              so have reason to believe that we got it

 

            2              from a good source and regardless of whether

 

            3              you --

 

            4                      MS. FANUCCI: Who is your source,

 

            5              Doug?

 

            6                      MR. MILLER: Regardless of whether

 

            7              she is putting a restaurant in --

 

            8                      MS. FANUCCI: Can I ask you who your

 

            9              source is?  I'd like to know.

 

           10                      MS. MILLER:  That's my time now if

 

           11              you don't mind.

 

           12                      MS. FANUCCI: No.  Okay, stop the

 

           13              clock.  I'd like to know do you have a

 

           14              source.

 

           15                      MR. MILLER:  But allegedly in the

 

           16              deed --

 

           17                      MS. FANUCCI: Thank you, Doug.

 

           18                      MS. MILLER: -- it states that a

 

           19              business is not allowed to go into that

 

           20              facility.  And, yes, we do have reason to

 

           21              believe that a restaurant is going in there

 

           22              whether your want to believe it or not, if

 

           23              you know something else, please, fell free

 

           24              to let me know.

 

           25                      MS. FANUCCI: I know that you can't


 

 

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            1              put a restaurant up there.

 

            2                      MR. MILLER: And, you know, to see

 

            3              the students up there crying because they

 

            4              couldn't feed the animals in this

 

            5              administration and council could care less,

 

            6              but let me move on.

 

            7                      I want to talk about the School for

 

            8              the Deaf.  You know, today we heard that

 

            9              Mellow is trying to come up with a plan to

 

           10              make this school just a day program rather

 

           11              than residential, but my question would be

 

           12              to these students from outside of the area

 

           13              that are housed at this facility what's

 

           14              going to happen with them if this is what we

 

           15              do, make it a day program, are we going to

 

           16              kick them out?  You know, I would like to

 

           17              ask council tonight to send a letter to

 

           18              Senator Mellow, the governor, Representative

 

           19              Murphy and anyone else involved to get a

 

           20              real answer of what the future is.  We have

 

           21              heard a lot that the medical school wants to

 

           22              take it over for dormitories, Marywood wants

 

           23              to take it over, so if we could just get an

 

           24              answer once and for all what the future is

 

           25              so we know where we are at.


 

 

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            1                      Tonight on the agenda we have grants

 

            2              for parks.  As I have stated before, I think

 

            3              these grants would be better served in the

 

            4              neighborhoods, as I have said, curbs,

 

            5              sidewalks, and paved city streets, but yet

 

            6              we continue to ignore that, and so I would

 

            7              like to ask in the future that on our

 

            8              agendas we look into grants to invest in our

 

            9              neighborhoods.

 

           10                      Just recently, we heard of a few

 

           11              shootings over in South Side and this is

 

           12              just an example of the lack of police

 

           13              protection we had the neighborhoods, lack of

 

           14              beat patrol, I believe we have one in each

 

           15              neighborhood and I would like to ask council

 

           16              if we could send a letter to the mayor, Ray

 

           17              Hayes, requesting that they assign more than

 

           18              one beat officer in our neighborhoods.  You

 

           19              know, we all want to run around here and

 

           20              advocate that there is no crime in the city,

 

           21              well, whether you want to believe it or not

 

           22              there is crime.  Some of us want to live in

 

           23              a fantasy world yet we ignore what's going

 

           24              on in the real world.  Thank you.

 

           25                      MS. GATELLI: Lee Morgan.


 

 

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            1                      MR. MORGAN: Good evening, Council.

 

            2              You know, I was going to bring some

 

            3              documents for you today, but I forgot them,

 

            4              I left at the last minute, but I will bring

 

            5              them for you next week.  I'll just briefly

 

            6              touch on this issue and say that, you know,

 

            7              I think Andy said people hold public

 

            8              officials responsible, and I would like to

 

            9              say I whole wholeheartedly disagree with

 

           10              that.  I don't think Scrantonians have ever

 

           11              held their politicians to any standard of

 

           12              responsibility for their actions and that's

 

           13              why this city is the way it is.  Everybody

 

           14              tries to pretend like they are representing

 

           15              somebody.

 

           16                      And with that said, I would like to

 

           17              say that council has passed in my opinion a

 

           18              series of laws that are illegal, and I would

 

           19              like to cite one of them today, the junk and

 

           20              abandoned vehicle law.  Now, recently, I had

 

           21              the Scranton Police Department come to my

 

           22              property and remove a vehicle that I owned

 

           23              from my driveway.  I proceeded to go to the

 

           24              first floor of this building and talk to the

 

           25              inspector who told me that the city's


 

 

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            1              ordinance give them the authority to do what

 

            2              they wanted to do.  So I didn't want to be

 

            3              disrespectful and argue with this woman and

 

            4              I just said, well, thank you, and now when I

 

            5              decide to proceed on I'll know who to look

 

            6              for.

 

            7                      From there I proceeded to the tower.

 

            8              The tower told me that he had a piece of

 

            9              paper from the state and that he could do as

 

           10              he pleased because this was all legal, and I

 

           11              told him the best course of action for him

 

           12              to take was to put my vehicle back on his

 

           13              rollback and put it back in my yard or my

 

           14              driveway, and he told me he towed 500 of

 

           15              them and he is going to do what he wants to

 

           16              do.  And, well, I told him I'm just a

 

           17              regular person, but I think you are

 

           18              seriously mistaken and it would benefit you

 

           19              to put it back.

 

           20                      So I went to talk to the officer who

 

           21              decided that it was a junked and illegal

 

           22              vehicle and he said he could do whatever he

 

           23              wanted to, too.  Then, of course, I talked

 

           24              to Chief Klee a day later after I filed

 

           25              charges against the state and the tower, and


 

 

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            1              he decided that lo and behold everybody made

 

            2              a mistake.  The city paid to put the vehicle

 

            3              back in my driveway, everybody apologized,

 

            4              and I'm just saying that you know what,

 

            5              council needs to do it's job.

 

            6                      Now, that's the second instance.

 

            7              The first time the city came on my property

 

            8              and cut the top off my convertible, not the

 

            9              convertible top, the car cover I had on it

 

           10              and proceeded to tow my vehicle out of my

 

           11              yard.  I went to the tower.  He said, "Lee,

 

           12              look it, I'm only doing what they tell me to

 

           13              do.  You want the car back in your yard,

 

           14              I'll go put it back in the yard."  And he

 

           15              did.  He didn't charge me, he just put it on

 

           16              his rollback and put it back.

 

           17                      Then I proceed to follow the

 

           18              building appeals board which council cited

 

           19              was the avenue of approach for this.  Well,

 

           20              I waited eight months for my hearing.

 

           21              Attorney Hickey and his assistant argued

 

           22              their side of the case and they lost because

 

           23              the building appeals board said they had no

 

           24              right to hear this case and they wanted

 

           25              nothing to do with it, and what I'm saying


 

 

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            1              to this council is it's time to vacate that

 

            2              law because it will not stand up because

 

            3              it's not reasonable, and I think this city

 

            4              has been towing a lot of people's vehicles

 

            5              off their property in direct violation of

 

            6              law, and what I'm saying to this council is,

 

            7              when are you guys going to get it right?  Do

 

            8              you have any understanding what private

 

            9              property laws are?  Do you even care?

 

           10                      I know that -- you know, it's just

 

           11              so pathetic, okay, to sit up there and swear

 

           12              you are doing something for people when you

 

           13              are violating every single right they

 

           14              possess, and it's not just one day, it's

 

           15              every day, and to present yourself as

 

           16              saviors of this city in any fashion

 

           17              whatsoever in my opinion is a crime.  It

 

           18              really is.  You manipulate the courts, you

 

           19              manipulate council, I mean, it's just -- and

 

           20              the sad part is we are getting ready to go

 

           21              into an election and I don't see how not

 

           22              just -- I'm not going to single out --

 

           23              Mrs. Gatelli, I'm not going to single you

 

           24              out.  I'm not going to single you out, Mrs.

 

           25              Fanucci, because you are up for election,


 

 

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            1              all five of you do you do any research on

 

            2              anything you do?  Do you or does just the

 

            3              mayor send it up to you and you say, well,

 

            4              okay.  I mean, I heard Andy Sbaraglia talk

 

            5              about pensions here.  They were illegal,

 

            6              too.

 

            7                      MS. GATELLI: Mr. Stucker?

 

            8                       MR. STUCKER: We got a lot of

 

            9              problems where people are parking their cars

 

           10              on the sidewalks again.  I was over on Oak

 

           11              Street the other day with my buddy and some

 

           12              van is parked on the sidewalk.  People can't

 

           13              walk on the sidewalk.

 

           14                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Okay, Jim.  We'll'

 

           15              take care of it for you.

 

           16                      MR. STUCKER:  And the lights on

 

           17              Mulberry, all the red lights by -- over by

 

           18              the courthouse, there is a red light out

 

           19              there, the lights are out, the red ones are

 

           20              out.

 

           21                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Okay.  We'll take

 

           22              care of it, Jim.

 

           23                       MR. STUCKER: And we had the cops up

 

           24              the other day at our building, I don't know

 

           25              for why.  So I went today to see the fire


 

 

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            1              and it's ashame.  It's ashame.  It's ashame

 

            2              that people -- had to be something, had to

 

            3              be cigarette, and I hope Janet Evans gets

 

            4              better.  I give her flowers today.

 

            5                      MR. COURTRIGHT: That was nice, Jim.

 

            6                       MR. STUCKER: Yeah.  Yeah.  Yes.  I

 

            7              hope McGoff and Janet gets better.  Yep.

 

            8              Okay.

 

            9                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Okay, Jim.

 

           10                      MS. GATELLI:  Thank you.

 

           11                      MR. STUCKER: What about that

 

           12              library, they said they were going to put it

 

           13              in South Side.  There is nothing wrong with

 

           14              that library, there is nothing wrong with

 

           15              it.  It's a nice place that library on --

 

           16              where it is.  That library there is nothing

 

           17              wrong with it.  Why do they want to put a

 

           18              library in South Side?  Why don't you make

 

           19              that place up there on -- up on Market

 

           20              Street there, that building they have that

 

           21              used to be the old school, why don't they

 

           22              make that for handicapped, for the deaf

 

           23              people, for the deaf people.  If people

 

           24              can't hear, they should put them up there.

 

           25              There is nothing wrong with putting them up


 

 

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            1              there.

 

            2                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Okay, Jim.  Thanks,

 

            3              Buddy.

 

            4                      MS. GATELLI: Mike Dudek.

 

            5                      MR. DUDEK:  My name is Mike Dudek,

 

            6              608 Depot Street, Scranton, PA.  That's

 

            7              where I live, it's in the Plot.  I'm going

 

            8              to render the first 15 or so seconds of my

 

            9              time for us to meditate and to thank the

 

           10              Lord for the safe return of our firefighters

 

           11              and our police from that very devastating

 

           12              fire that they fought today very safely.

 

           13                      It seems about half the time I come

 

           14              up here to speak, it's usually in defense of

 

           15              our fire department and our police officers.

 

           16              I have been here fighting long and hard for

 

           17              both the police and the fire to get what is

 

           18              their due, their need, their right in terms

 

           19              of proper compensation.  I think I nearly

 

           20              put a hole low the roof of my living room

 

           21              when I opened up the very same glossy flyer

 

           22              that one ever the previous speakers showed

 

           23              up here and the mayor talking about he is

 

           24              going to be fighting to make Scranton a safe

 

           25              place again.  Well, I would agree with the


 

 

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            1              mayor on this, Scranton is not as safe as it

 

            2              was four years ago or maybe even six years

 

            3              ago or eight years ago, and when I think who

 

            4              was mayor four years ago and six years ago

 

            5              it was Chris Doherty, so I have to agree

 

            6              with him, the city is not as safe as it was

 

            7              four or six years ago because he has let it

 

            8              deteriorate to that point and how he could

 

            9              claim that is he going to be one to fix it

 

           10              heaven only knows, but I see some kind of an

 

           11              irony in the fact that this piece of

 

           12              literature came to my house.

 

           13                      As a matter of fire safety, I also

 

           14              have to wonder with all of the fire

 

           15              equipment and apparatus at work today I

 

           16              really would like to see a survey done to

 

           17              see whether or not the city was sufficiently

 

           18              protected in other parts of the city had

 

           19              another emergency broken out.  I know that

 

           20              we have an accordion effect, in other words,

 

           21              half the fire department from Throop will

 

           22              come in to cover, a half from Olyphant, a

 

           23              portion from Throop and Olyphant, there is a

 

           24              coordinated system working both north and

 

           25              south end to help protect our city and it's


 

 

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            1              a wonderful arrangement, it really does

 

            2              help, but I do have to wonder, and I think

 

            3              that a survey ought to be taken for what

 

            4              happened today as to see whether or not

 

            5              there was adequate protection for all

 

            6              sections of the city once this fire had to

 

            7              be fought.

 

            8                      One thing I do want to point out,

 

            9              also, as to two things that looked to me

 

           10              like sink holes, I'd like the city to take a

 

           11              good look behind the Guild Studios.  There

 

           12              is a crack in the pavement.  When you look

 

           13              through the crack you can look 15 to 20 feet

 

           14              down inside of it.  That should not be.

 

           15              Another one that worries me is on Boulevard

 

           16              Avenue.  Now, over the years, over the last

 

           17              four years, and I was here twice before

 

           18              about Boulevard Avenue, and twice before

 

           19              Councilman Courtright was able to take my

 

           20              concern and have it addressed.  This is a

 

           21              third hole on Boulevard Avenue.  It is north

 

           22              of the 81 Bypass and about 200 feet south of

 

           23              the Throop line on Boulevard Avenue.  I was

 

           24              so concerned when I saw it I called 911

 

           25              about it, that night a Throop police officer


 

 

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            1              called me, apparently 911 had Throop take a

 

            2              look at it because that sink hole was really

 

            3              very close to the Throop police office where

 

            4              the police are.  He looked at it and he

 

            5              said, "You got a point and I'm going to call

 

            6              the city and tell them they should do

 

            7              something about it," and nothing has been

 

            8              done in the last two months since I reported

 

            9              that sink hole.

 

           10                      It is big enough to take the tire

 

           11              not off a car, but it will take a tire right

 

           12              off a fire truck.  This hole is about 2 to

 

           13              3 feet long, almost a foot wide and probably

 

           14              20 feet deep.  I would please take a good

 

           15              look at it.  The last time I saw something

 

           16              this big was at the corner of Nay Aug Avenue

 

           17              and Albright Street and we all know what

 

           18              happened had to be done over there.  It was

 

           19              a huge project that had to be done over

 

           20              there to fill what was under there, so I'm

 

           21              really concerned that there may be some

 

           22              problems underneath Boulevard Avenue and I'd

 

           23              like those to be looked and addressed.  The

 

           24              only thing that is across that sink hole is

 

           25              half of a sawhorse and that is not


 

 

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            1              sufficient.  Thank you.

 

            2                      MS. GATELLI: Ms. Gawel.

 

            3                      MS. GAWEL: Hi, Council.  How are you

 

            4              tonight?  Enjoying the nice weather?  All

 

            5              right, I got to kind of go all over this.

 

            6              We kind of missed a week and my thoughts

 

            7              aren't quite -- I'm going to start with the

 

            8              high unemployment rate that was in the paper

 

            9              this morning.  What does Austin Burke do for

 

           10              the city?  I mean, I know he is supposed to

 

           11              be in charge of the Chamber of Commerce, but

 

           12              they don't ever seem to do much for the city

 

           13              as far as I can tell and what I have been

 

           14              told, and maybe it's time we get somebody

 

           15              new in there or something that, you know,

 

           16              with brighter ideas.

 

           17                      Onto some of the stuff that went on

 

           18              last week.  I do agree with you, if people

 

           19              have issues with you they should just come

 

           20              in and talk to yous.  You don't bite.  You

 

           21              might snarl every once in awhile, but, you

 

           22              know, we are being cute over in the corner,

 

           23              too, but for the most part I learned you are

 

           24              not as mean as I thought you might be.

 

           25                      I'd like to know, I agree with some


 

 

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            1              of the other speakers when they were talking

 

            2              about some of the foolish spending, I mean,

 

            3              I don't understand the purposes of murals

 

            4              and stuff like that when we have bigger

 

            5              issues to fix in the city.  I mean, it's

 

            6              just -- it seems to me we could be patching

 

            7              the streets or paving the streets, you know,

 

            8              I know the mayor likes to get credit for a

 

            9              lot of streets, but usually the state has

 

           10              done them or the utilities have done them,

 

           11              not the city itself.

 

           12                      MS. FANUCCI: Can I just ask one

 

           13              question, you're referring to the art mural

 

           14              project.

 

           15                      MS. GATELLI: Yes.

 

           16                      MS. FANUCCI: Maybe when I read this

 

           17              to you, you will understand a little bit

 

           18              better about it, because I actually was

 

           19              worried about what it was, but this is

 

           20              really for children and a park program, so I

 

           21              think you might actually change your mind a

 

           22              little bit, okay?

 

           23                      MS. GAWEL:  Okay.  Excellent.

 

           24              Believe it or not, not all of us go to the

 

           25              website.  If I turn my computer on once a


 

 

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            1              month you are lucky and it's usually just to

 

            2              delete the mail.  I wouldn't even now to get

 

            3              there.  I don't want to know.  I stay away

 

            4              from it so I can form my own opinions on

 

            5              things.

 

            6                      And again, I agree with Mrs. Gatelli

 

            7              and I know we went through it with you last

 

            8              year I believe it was, leave the family out

 

            9              of it, leave the kids out it, they have

 

           10              nothing do with this.  It is strictly adults

 

           11              to adults as far as I'm concerned, but I do

 

           12              have tell you one thing, Mrs. Fanucci, I

 

           13              have totally been accused of I will hug a

 

           14              mailbox.  I'm a hugger.  I just hug.  So, I

 

           15              have been told by my significant other that

 

           16              I've been known to hug a mailbox.

 

           17                      And to be honest with you, I wasn't

 

           18              thrilled with the tax increase, but again,

 

           19              it wasn't as bad as what the school district

 

           20              does or the county does, but the thing is we

 

           21              didn't get any services for it.  We still

 

           22              have nothing to show for that 25 percent.

 

           23              We didn't even lower the deficit.  So, I

 

           24              mean, that's the complaint behind it.  What

 

           25              are we getting for our 25 percent tax hike?


 

 

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            1              All right, that's that.

 

            2                      I noticed that, you know, all of a

 

            3              sudden we are coming up with, you know, what

 

            4              Dave Gervasi and some of other guys have

 

            5              said aren't true and, oh, gee, we have the

 

            6              facts all of a sudden and the figures, well,

 

            7              why didn't we have them not six months ago

 

            8              when Dave was talking about why is it at

 

            9              election time we now have the figures that

 

           10              we didn't have all of this time?  I mean, it

 

           11              just sounds silly to me.

 

           12                      I would like to know how the mayor

 

           13              gets investment people in here because I

 

           14              don't see any new jobs.  I mean, you know

 

           15              the people that come in are usually local

 

           16              and stuff like that.  But, I mean, he is

 

           17              still running his business out of Maryland

 

           18              where he doesn't have to pay taxes or

 

           19              Delaware, I don't know remember which state

 

           20              it is, but we all know it's out there and we

 

           21              know he doesn't really run it from Scranton.

 

           22              So how does he even justify trying to bring

 

           23              somebody in if he doesn't run his own

 

           24              business from here.

 

           25                      And I noticed the commissioners are


 

 

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            1              backing him, but I figured that's because

 

            2              O'Brien wants Kanjorski's job and Doherty

 

            3              originally wanted Kanjorski's job, so they

 

            4              figure if they keep Doherty mayor then

 

            5              O'Brien has got a better shot I guess.

 

            6                      And like everybody else I saw the

 

            7              flyer stating that it's a safe and secure

 

            8              city, I live in South Side and it's not a

 

            9              safe and secure city.  I've had what, four

 

           10              shootings in the last two and a half weeks,

 

           11              maybe more.  I can't even keep track.  You

 

           12              are there, Judy, you know, it's not a safe

 

           13              and secure city.

 

           14                      And as I was coming in tonight and I

 

           15              was coming over Jefferson getting ready to

 

           16              turn down Mulberry and I noticed the "Don't

 

           17              Walk" sign, there isn't one if you are

 

           18              coming from Jefferson and going across

 

           19              Mulberry.  They have them both facing

 

           20              Mulberry, and don't have one facing

 

           21              Jefferson.  Right there by the big white

 

           22              house, you know --

 

           23                      MS. FANUCCI: So if you are facing

 

           24              Jefferson there is not on there?

 

           25                      MS. GAWEL: No, I mean, there is one


 

 

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            1              there, but it's on the poles facing the

 

            2              wrong direction, okay?  And that's it for

 

            3              tonight.  Have a nice night.

 

            4                      MS. GATELLI: Mr. Spindler.

 

            5                      MR. SPINDLER: Good evening, Council.

 

            6              Les Spindler, taxpayer, city resident.

 

            7              First of all, I would like to say I saw

 

            8              Mrs. Evans last Friday and I don't know how

 

            9              she was moving around.  She was in terrible

 

           10              pain, and I asked her about her mother and

 

           11              she said her mother is not doing well, so I

 

           12              help everyone will say a prayer for Mrs.

 

           13              Evans and her mother.

 

           14                      Now, on the wildlife center, shame

 

           15              on Chris Doherty.  He brought the wildlife

 

           16              center in, he asked Mrs. Miller to bring it

 

           17              in six, seven years ago and now he throws

 

           18              her out because he doesn't need her now.  I

 

           19              don't know what he is going to use the zoo

 

           20              for, but he never gave the $50,000 a year

 

           21              which was promised, that was another one of

 

           22              his lies, so it's ashame that that was a

 

           23              good teaching tool for students, the Cub

 

           24              Scouts used to go up there and Girl Scouts

 

           25              and now there is nothing.


 

 

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            1                      And shame on Mrs. Gatelli and

 

            2              Mrs. Fanucci.  The way you two acted two

 

            3              weeks ago as elected officials you should be

 

            4              ashamed of yourself.  The two of you looked

 

            5              like -- sounded like two desperate people

 

            6              and, Mrs. Fanucci, for what you said

 

            7              accusing some male for not having -- for

 

            8              lacking something, a -- I mean, that was

 

            9              totally uncalled for and you should resign.

 

           10              An elected official should not speak like

 

           11              that.

 

           12                      MS. FANUCCI: I said meatballs.

 

           13                      MR. SPINDLER: To talk about some

 

           14              things that were in the Doherty newsletter

 

           15              last week, "Students spend just not in

 

           16              downtown Scranton."

 

           17                      And it goes onto say that except for

 

           18              the mall that there is nothing to spend

 

           19              money on downtown contrary to what

 

           20              Mrs. Fanucci and Chris Doherty said.  That

 

           21              comes right out of Chris Doherty's

 

           22              newspaper.

 

           23                      Next thing, last Tuesday, "Scranton

 

           24              on the upswing."  Well, painting this city

 

           25              as a growing city and headed toward a bright


 

 

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            1              future.  Headed toward a bright future,

 

            2              that's why Country Club Men's Shop is moving

 

            3              out after 26 years and their owner said it

 

            4              hasn't grown in the last 20 years.  If it's

 

            5              on the upswing, why are we still a

 

            6              distressed city?  Let's get rid of PEL, get

 

            7              rid of our distressed status if we are on

 

            8              the upswing.

 

            9                      It says, "We set out specific goals

 

           10              and we achieve them."

 

           11                      What did he achieve?  He didn't

 

           12              achieve lowering our wage tax, he didn't do

 

           13              a thing with our unions.  The roads are in

 

           14              horrendous shape, and I'd like to know what

 

           15              he has achieved.  People are fleeing the

 

           16              city like crazy.

 

           17                      Next thing, he pointed to cost

 

           18              cutting measures, 23 few police officers,

 

           19              eight fewer firefighters and 48 fewer

 

           20              clerical staff, and this is a good thing?

 

           21              Cutting firefighters and police is a good

 

           22              thing?  What is wrong with this man?  We are

 

           23              getting -- there was a huge fire today, I

 

           24              was born and raised a half block from that

 

           25              fire and cutting police and fire, we have


 

 

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            1              shootings in South Side and he thinks

 

            2              cutting firemen and policemen are a good

 

            3              thing?  Something is wrong with this

 

            4              picture.

 

            5                      Lastly, it says, "I am not closing

 

            6              any fire stations any time in the near

 

            7              future."

 

            8                      Well, last year he said he was

 

            9              closing them, he is quoted as saying that.

 

           10              I got a letter a few weeks ago saying he

 

           11              definitely wasn't closing engine companies,

 

           12              now, he is saying he is not closing any in

 

           13              the near future?  Well, which is it?  We

 

           14              can't believe anything that comes out of

 

           15              this man's mouth.  Every time he opens his

 

           16              mouth he says something different.  It's

 

           17              just unbelievable.

 

           18                      Next:  Two weeks ago, Mrs. Gatelli,

 

           19              I asked about 4.2 million for the Goodwill,

 

           20              the North Scranton Junior High School, and

 

           21              Neil gave me a letter, you said the letter

 

           22              explains, this letter says nothing about

 

           23              where the 4.2 million dollars went.  It says

 

           24              about this repaired and this and that, but

 

           25              it doesn't answer my question where the 4.2


 

 

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            1              million dollars that Governor Rendell gave

 

            2              to Chris Doherty.  I would like to know

 

            3              where that 4.2 million dollars is.  Maybe

 

            4              the FBI should be up here investing that.

 

            5                      MS. GATELLI: I'll ask for you.

 

            6                      MR. SPINDLER: I mean, the two

 

            7              corrupt judges only took $2.6 million down

 

            8              there, this is 4.2 million, where is it?

 

            9                      MS. GATELLI: We'll find out for you,

 

           10              Mr. Spindler.

 

           11                      MR. SPINDLER: Well, I might have to

 

           12              put a call into the FBI and ask them that

 

           13              question, too.

 

           14                      MS. FANUCCI: You should.  Good idea.

 

           15                      MR. SPINDLER: Okay.  I brought this

 

           16              up last summer about the wood burning, well,

 

           17              the other night it was real hot, I opened my

 

           18              windows and the wood was burning again.

 

           19                      MS. GATELLI:  Did you call the fire

 

           20              department and tell them?

 

           21                      MR. SPINDLER: No, I don't know who I

 

           22              should call.

 

           23                      MS. GATELLI:  Call the fire

 

           24              inspector.

 

           25                      MR. SPINDLER: What's the fire


 

 

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            1              inspector's number?

 

            2                      MS. GATELLI: They have jurisdiction

 

            3              over that.  We talked about that last year.

 

            4                      MR. SPINDLER: Could you get me a

 

            5              number to call?

 

            6                      MS. FANUCCI: Sure.

 

            7                      MR. SPINDLER:  And, Mr. Courtright,

 

            8              you even said last year you were going to

 

            9              let the police officers know about that.

 

           10              Could I get a copy of that ordinance, Mrs.

 

           11              Gatelli?

 

           12                      MS. GATELLI: Yes, we have it

 

           13              somewhere.

 

           14                      MR. MINORA: The ordinances are all

 

           15              on-line.

 

           16                      MS. GATELLI: They are all on-line.

 

           17                      MR. SPINDLER: The gentleman that

 

           18              does this burning he said he has an

 

           19              ordinance and he put it in the one police

 

           20              officer's face the one day and said, "I'm

 

           21              allowed to burn, the chief said I could

 

           22              burn."

 

           23                      MS. GATELLI: No, not if it bothers

 

           24              someone he can't.

 

           25                      MR. SPINDLER: We can't open our


 

 

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            1              windows.  It was Saturday night it was

 

            2              burning.  It's two blocks away from me.

 

            3                      MS. FANUCCI:  That's terrible.

 

            4                      MR. SPINDLER: And we can't open our

 

            5              windows and we have the whole summer.

 

            6                      MS. GATELLI: They are not allowed to

 

            7              do that, Mr. Spindler.

 

            8                      MR. SPINDLER:  I don't think so.

 

            9              Thank you.

 

           10                      MS. SCHUMACHER: Good evening.  I

 

           11              don't know about anybody else, but I've

 

           12              about had it for summer, I'm ready for some

 

           13              snow.

 

           14                      MS. GATELLI:  We can use some in

 

           15              here tonight.

 

           16                      MS. SCHUMACHER:  I was going to

 

           17              continue with my lies, lies, lies, but I'm

 

           18              putting that off for a week or so, and I was

 

           19              also going to speak to the tremendous

 

           20              savings of the firemen's overtime account,

 

           21              but while I was out digging out dandelions,

 

           22              you know, I just started thinking about

 

           23              council and I start thinking about what Mrs.

 

           24              Krake said awhile back about discrimination

 

           25              and, you know, she is absolutely right.  I


 

 

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            1              don't know which is a bigger slap in the

 

            2              face to the taxpayers, we penalize to the

 

            3              hilt property taxowners who are delinquent,

 

            4              but we let business people owe us money for

 

            5              years and years and years and not pay such

 

            6              as the Ice Box.  We don't really follow-up

 

            7              on the Single Tax Office, $2 million just

 

            8              doesn't disappear.

 

            9                      And I attended that Scranton School

 

           10              Board meeting I believe it was a year ago

 

           11              March where they, oh, by the way, opened a

 

           12              drawer and found a bank statement that had

 

           13              $12 million in it and, oh, lo and behold.

 

           14              Well, you know, the more I have been

 

           15              thinking about it I have a couple of friends

 

           16              who are not -- have not been as blessed

 

           17              financially as I have and once in awhile I

 

           18              buy things them because I belong to a

 

           19              discount store and they give me checks, and

 

           20              if I'm ahead at the end of the month I put

 

           21              the checks in a drawer and I never cash

 

           22              them.  I hear, "Would you please cash, your

 

           23              are ruining by bank statement, I can't

 

           24              balance it," but aside from that I think

 

           25              there must be a drawer down in the Single


 

 

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            1              Tax Office that has $2 million worth of

 

            2              checks in it that nobody has deposited yet.

 

            3              That is the only thing that makes sense, and

 

            4              I believe that you people need to ask for an

 

            5              investigation.  You need to go to the

 

            6              District Attorney and you need to ask him to

 

            7              investigate this $2 million debacle and

 

            8              maybe do a fiscal inventory.  Maybe they can

 

            9              find the checks.

 

           10                      I also -- again, Mrs. Gatelli, maybe

 

           11              during motions you can tell me again on the

 

           12              Ice Box what's going on there or maybe

 

           13              Mr. Minora can tell us what he has found

 

           14              out.  Also, it was reported two weeks ago in

 

           15              the Times-Tribune that the tax office said

 

           16              they were going to hire a controller, but

 

           17              can they hire a controller and create a new

 

           18              position without getting your approval and

 

           19              can't this council put a cap on how much

 

           20              they can continue charging this out-of-town

 

           21              person to do a job between now and the time

 

           22              they say -- until they hire a controller?

 

           23                      And then I'd like to know what

 

           24              responsibility this council has to oversee

 

           25              the authorities?  You were the elected


 

 

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            1              people, the authorities are only appointed

 

            2              people.  For instance, did the Recreation

 

            3              Authority approve bringing the Genesis

 

            4              Wildlife Center to Nay Aug in the beginning

 

            5              or did council approve that move or is that

 

            6              something that the mayor did unilaterally?

 

            7                      Also, did the Rec Authority decide

 

            8              to send the Genesis Wildlife Center packing

 

            9              or did the mayor act unilaterally?  Whose

 

           10              park is Nay Aug?  Is it the people's park or

 

           11              is it Chris Doherty's private playground?

 

           12                      The audit, people have questioned

 

           13              tonight on whether you read things that you

 

           14              get, page 32 of the latest audit, that's

 

           15              being for 2007, says that the city approves

 

           16              the rates for the Scranton Sewer Authority

 

           17              yet we had a 50 some percent increase and I

 

           18              don't recall, and I have checked that, I

 

           19              don't recall you approving it, so which is

 

           20              incorrect and did any of you tell if that's

 

           21              incorrect?  Did any of you bother to

 

           22              question the auditor and say, "We don't

 

           23              approve."

 

           24                      I'd like to know why you don't

 

           25              approve?


 

 

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            1                      MS. GATELLI: We said that.

 

            2                      MS. FANUCCI:  We did say that last

 

            3              week.

 

            4                      MS. GATELLI: We did say that,

 

            5              Mrs. Schumacher.

 

            6                      MS. SCHUMACHER: I've got more next

 

            7              time, lots.

 

            8                      MS. GATELLI:  The lease agreement

 

            9              expired and that's why we don't have any

 

           10              control over the rates anymore and we said

 

           11              that.

 

           12                      MS. SCHUMACHER: Well, then did you

 

           13              advise the auditor that his report was

 

           14              incorrect.

 

           15                      MS. GATELLI: No.

 

           16                      MS. SCHUMACHER: No.

 

           17                      MS. GATELLI: We'll have to do that,

 

           18              Mrs. Garvey, send that, please.  Mr. McCloe.

 

           19                      MR. MCGOFF: Good evening.  My name

 

           20              is Brett McCloe.  I'm a homeowner and

 

           21              Scranton taxpayer.  I don't have a lot to

 

           22              say today, but I just want to say to the

 

           23              folks who -- to those of who lost your homes

 

           24              in today's fire, terrible fires, I'm deeply

 

           25              sorry for your loss as well as I'm quite


 

 

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            1              sure the whole city is deeply sorry for your

 

            2              losses.  And I also want to say to the

 

            3              firefighters and those officers that were

 

            4              there that you did a good job and that's why

 

            5              we need you there.  And I also want to say

 

            6              to those who don't understand the importance

 

            7              of a well-staffed, well-equipped fire and

 

            8              police department, I want them to forget

 

            9              about the events of today, I want them to

 

           10              forget about the shootings in South Side, I

 

           11              want them to put on their rose-colored

 

           12              sunglasses, go grab a latte, go sit on the

 

           13              swings up the Nay Aug Park because this

 

           14              stuff is real and it might be a little bit

 

           15              too real for some of you who see something

 

           16              other.

 

           17                      One of the things that constantly

 

           18              keeps on going through my mind is how much

 

           19              these people have lost, and a phrase from

 

           20              the Bible always comes into my head, "There

 

           21              before the grace of God go I," and I think

 

           22              we all need to look at these folks and try

 

           23              to do whatever we can to help them out.

 

           24              Thank you very much.

 

           25                      MS. GATELLI: Mr. Dobson.


 

 

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            1                      MR. DOBSON: Good evening, Council,

 

            2              Dave Dobson, member of the taxpayers',

 

            3              videographer of the taxpayers'.  So I would

 

            4              like to reannounce the mayoral interviews,

 

            5              Wednesday this week at 6:30; Thursday, 10

 

            6              a.m.; Friday, 2:30 p.m.; 5:00 p.m. on

 

            7              Saturday; 3 a.m. on Sunday; 11 a.m. on

 

            8              Monday; and 8 a.m. on Wednesday, but that's

 

            9              a revised list.

 

           10                      Now, I received word about something

 

           11              I spoke about in the past on trees, the oak

 

           12              trees at Nay Aug and the gypsy moth blight.

 

           13              According to this source, Mr. Santolli said

 

           14              that the trees have been sprayed this year

 

           15              for gypsy moth, so hopefully we won't be

 

           16              seeing all of the damage because some of the

 

           17              trees were afflicted last year that were

 

           18              part of the treehouse, and there is a lot of

 

           19              money spent there and efforts, so it would

 

           20              nice to have it around 10 years instead of

 

           21              the trees falling down.

 

           22                      On this tax office business, you

 

           23              know, it's ashame because they seem like

 

           24              nice people that are there right now, but to

 

           25              continue making the same mistake putting


 

 

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            1              that money all in one account for another 18

 

            2              months or whatever, it's really ashame.

 

            3              That money needs to be sorted back out.  We

 

            4              could have tax money reimbursed in

 

            5              somebody's deductions from Blakely Borough

 

            6              or something and it's -- there is no way

 

            7              attracting the money whereas Blakey Borough

 

            8              if an employer from Scranton did not turn

 

            9              over the tax money that was deducted, you

 

           10              would -- Blakely Borough can get on their

 

           11              backs and make them wise up.  Here nothing

 

           12              is being done about it and that's where I

 

           13              kind of think the money might be missing.

 

           14                      And on tonight's agenda, this free

 

           15              swim at Nay Aug Park, I mean, we are

 

           16              spending all kinds of money to paint murals

 

           17              and so forth, and that's a good thing, I

 

           18              mean, it's a small amount of change for what

 

           19              the city's budget is, but it would be nice

 

           20              to see a few free swim days at Nay Aug Park,

 

           21              two free swim days because there really

 

           22              isn't a free swim day, it's mostly done by

 

           23              Mr. Jackowitz, and last year I operated the

 

           24              camera solely to bring the money and stuff,

 

           25              if I hadn't done than we wouldn't have had


 

 

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            1              the money coming in, so that was a help, I

 

            2              didn't participate much during the actual

 

            3              events, but it would be nice to see

 

            4              something done with Nay Aug where we could

 

            5              get the kids back up there and let them swim

 

            6              because I walked back along the tracks and

 

            7              stuff on the D & L line and that step down

 

            8              is a pretty dangerous place to be swimming.

 

            9              I stay away from it.  I looked over the edge

 

           10              from two feet away or three feet away, but I

 

           11              don't get anywhere near the step down, it's

 

           12              a long way down and so it would be awful

 

           13              nice if somewhere along the line at least

 

           14              some of the days we could let people in the

 

           15              park for free, not every day, but some days

 

           16              it would be just a wonderful thing.

 

           17                      And finally, I would like to

 

           18              compliment the firefighters this afternoon

 

           19              and urge the city to do whatever they can to

 

           20              settle the contracts.  It's gone on too long

 

           21              and it's really ashame because, you know,

 

           22              people have a right to change their minds

 

           23              and if they have the people involved with

 

           24              all of the disputes then just say so and who

 

           25              knows maybe they pick up a couple of extra


 

 

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            1              votes this fall and just I changed my mind.

 

            2              I got new information.  I change my mind

 

            3              about things all the time, you know, so it

 

            4              would be nice to see politicians say the

 

            5              same thing, I just changed my mind, and it's

 

            6              not feasible and they are not going to do

 

            7              it.  Thank you and have a good night.

 

            8                      MS. GATELLI: Mr. Newcomb.

 

            9                      MR. NEWCOMB:  Good evening, Council.

 

           10              I'd just like to thank everybody that sent

 

           11              cards and can to the funeral for our

 

           12              family's recent loss.  It was really

 

           13              appreciated.  I'd just like to make a few

 

           14              comments.  I have Republican signs, I have

 

           15              Democratic signs I put in my yard when I

 

           16              have to, I vote for the person who I think

 

           17              can do the job, not just what your party is,

 

           18              but I'm a very fiscal conservative person.

 

           19                      I am proud to say that I did not

 

           20              vote, I'm one of the 52 million people that

 

           21              did not vote for our current president of

 

           22              the United States because I believe he has

 

           23              spent more money than George Washington or

 

           24              George Bush in less than 100 days, that's my

 

           25              opinion.


 

 

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            1                      I just -- it was said, and I want to

 

            2              give some union information here to some --

 

            3              I'd like the people to know what they are

 

            4              paying for and what the city is not getting

 

            5              or what the city is getting.  It was said

 

            6              here about the unions they are working off

 

            7              of their own contract.  I have a little bit

 

            8              of labor underneath up my experience, I just

 

            9              want everybody out there to know that under

 

           10              the labor law you do have to work underneath

 

           11              the old contract, and I believe the fire

 

           12              contract was from January 1st of 1996 to

 

           13              December 31st of 2002, that's the one that

 

           14              they were working under, so for those people

 

           15              for seven and a half years inflation would

 

           16              diminish your buying power which means you

 

           17              worked under the old contract and you kept

 

           18              everything as it was.

 

           19                      And from my experience with people

 

           20              that get longevity, the pay is 1 percent

 

           21              every two years starting on the third year

 

           22              of your employment.  If you did not have

 

           23              longevity pay a 30-year veteran would make

 

           24              the same amount of money as a new hired

 

           25              recruit.  The police, the clerical and the


 

 

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            1              fire and DPW also receive longevity and that

 

            2              is common and part of pay scales in almost

 

            3              every other city and just so the taxpayers

 

            4              out there know that longevity was taken away

 

            5              in January of 2003 and the statistics that I

 

            6              have, and like I said, I'm very fiscal and I

 

            7              don't think we should be wasting money on

 

            8              things that we don't need, but it is a fact

 

            9              that our firefighters make an average of

 

           10              $15,000 less than firefighters in the rest

 

           11              of the state and our policemen make about

 

           12              between $12,000 and $13,000 less.  We do

 

           13              have some policemen that went to other

 

           14              places in Lackawanna County and started for

 

           15              like $10,000 more than they make here.

 

           16                      And I believe the unions are still

 

           17              in litigation because they are claiming the

 

           18              city is in contempt of the Court for not

 

           19              following the Commonwealth's decision.  If

 

           20              you -- I'm going to use $40,000 as a base,

 

           21              if you received $40,000 in 2002 plus your

 

           22              longevity and your own overtime your pay

 

           23              hasn't changed because even with the two of

 

           24              them together your base pay has never

 

           25              changed, it's never increased.


 

 

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            1                      I want to get a little bit into the

 

            2              city administration so people know about

 

            3              raises and what pay.  Our business

 

            4              administrator under Mayor Connors was Brian

 

            5              Nixon, his salary was $76,000 per year with

 

            6              health care and etcetera.  Now, under Mayor

 

            7              Doherty it's Stu Renda.  The position pays

 

            8              $85,000 a year, a raise of $9,000.  Stu

 

            9              Renda received about -- receives about

 

           10              $46,000 more than he made in his last

 

           11              position.  I'm going to give you a six-year

 

           12              scenario.  In a six-year scenario the raise

 

           13              cost the taxpayers $54,000 which means for

 

           14              six years this position costs the taxpayers

 

           15              from under $76,000, 456,000 and now with the

 

           16              new salary for a six-year salary it would be

 

           17              $510,000 which is $85,000.  And I also

 

           18              believe that Mrs. Moran got a $10,000 raise,

 

           19              so let's go to the six-year scenario that

 

           20              costs the taxpayers now $60,000.

 

           21                      And one more thing here, a few years

 

           22              back we did give two raises to our police

 

           23              and fire chief, which I said I don't

 

           24              begrudge anybody raises, but I just want

 

           25              people to know how things work, and the way


 

 

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            1              our contracts read is also anybody in that

 

            2              rank would get half, so from what I

 

            3              understand we have a five of them that are

 

            4              still alive and that cost an additional

 

            5              $32,500 a year.  Altogether, that is $58,500

 

            6              per year which is $26,000 because we gave

 

            7              two 13's and the additional ones for the

 

            8              retirees which is $32,500.  Over the

 

            9              course of six years it's a total of

 

           10              $351,000.  This is without their salaries,

 

           11              because their salaries are in the 60's, the

 

           12              cost is $351,000 for two $13,000 raises and

 

           13              also from what I understand the fire chief

 

           14              and the police chief also do receive

 

           15              longevity.

 

           16                      And one more thing if I could, if we

 

           17              are paying $500,00 to $700,000 in overtime,

 

           18              which is a lot of money, I think then we

 

           19              have to do is we have to look at we don't

 

           20              have enough people or bodies to do the work

 

           21              to cut down on the overtime.  Thanks.

 

           22                      MS. GATELLI:  Phyllis.

 

           23                      MS. HUMPHRIES:  Good evening.

 

           24              Patcha, salaam aleikum, shalom.  Peace to

 

           25              all of the people here, Mrs. Evans and I


 

 

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            1              hope Mr. McGoff get healthy and come back

 

            2              here.  Do you know a guy by the name of --

 

            3              Mrs. Gatelli, do you know a man by the name

 

            4              of John that has a burgundy car that lives

 

            5              in South Side.

 

            6                      MS. GATELLI: No.

 

            7                      MS. HUMPHRIES: He goes, "Hey, my

 

            8              name is Johnny.  Come on, come on, get in

 

            9              the car.  Come on, come on, get in the car."

 

           10                      Well, Johnny, JB-1932, you are going

 

           11              to be arrested.  That's number one.  What

 

           12              happened is at the newspaper they had a

 

           13              beautiful picture there of Monsignor Quinn

 

           14              and Sister Adrian and congratulations to the

 

           15              both of them.  The second and third picture

 

           16              was of me where they did an aerial shot at

 

           17              the courthouse, which was beautiful.  I'm a

 

           18              survivor.  I was at "Take Back the Night."

 

           19              It is so sad.  I had such an enjoyable time

 

           20              with the University of Scranton kids, I

 

           21              never went to college, but my daughter went

 

           22              there, and I kind of marched and strolled,

 

           23              but then when I heard the stories, the

 

           24              stories should have been covered by the

 

           25              newspaper.  Where is that newspaper man?


 

 

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            1              Could he stand up or is he gone?  Well, he

 

            2              only puts what he puts.

 

            3                      They say Bishop Martino is the

 

            4              dictator, but, no, I'm the dictator, I'd

 

            5              like to dictate and this is what I want to

 

            6              say.  To all of the people in the United

 

            7              States, all of the people in the world, all

 

            8              of the people that are being abused, forced

 

            9              into sex when they don't want to, even

 

           10              including the Middle East, I feel sorry for

 

           11              you and we hope that you have freedom and

 

           12              democracy.

 

           13                      I'm fighting and University students

 

           14              that was around is fighting for democracy,

 

           15              so many of them were pushed underneath, the

 

           16              police didn't go forward with their rapes

 

           17              and their attacks and this is ashame.  We

 

           18              need a lot of women on the streets,

 

           19              motorcycles, you name it.  This is wrong.

 

           20              Mayor Doherty, you had a beautiful shot of

 

           21              the way the courthouse is, it was really

 

           22              beautiful, I will not deny it, but I think

 

           23              the story should have been covered.  The

 

           24              story should have been covered, why they

 

           25              won't cover it is this and, number one,


 

 

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            1              which I was not aware of, a crime is against

 

            2              the state and the city.  They are trying to

 

            3              cover up the crime here.  If you come here

 

            4              you better have a lot of mace, take Judo and

 

            5              put lights all the way around you that you

 

            6              can flood everybody away that is going to

 

            7              hurt you.

 

            8                      There is hole on the street on

 

            9              Wyoming Avenue where the Abe's Delicatessen

 

           10              was pulled down.  They are going to have

 

           11              check that in which there is hole in the

 

           12              back of the Mulberry Towers.

 

           13                      Now, the other thing I have to say

 

           14              is I got this on because remember that joke

 

           15              the butt, the bone is a curse and see what

 

           16              happened there.  It's back with the swine

 

           17              they don't know where it originated the

 

           18              swine flu, so I'm like kind of like ready

 

           19              for anything.  I even bought a bunch for you

 

           20              girls.

 

           21                      But what I have to say is last

 

           22              weekend I mentioned something about Mulberry

 

           23              Tower and they were kind of upset.  There is

 

           24              the good, the bad and the ugly in every

 

           25              place, but I'm putting my foot down.  There


 

 

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            1              is elderly people there and people's places

 

            2              haven't been painted since I'm living there

 

            3              nine years.  There is a lot of things, rugs

 

            4              20 years on the floor.  There is a lot of

 

            5              bad things and there is a lot of good

 

            6              things.  I have to say there is also a lot

 

            7              of good things, it's just we got and now I

 

            8              got these bugs floating in my house and I'm

 

            9              waiting until they get a little bit bigger

 

           10              and I won't have to worry about the, this

 

           11              disability thing it will roll me from here

 

           12              all the way over to the city council.  So

 

           13              much for the cockroaches.  No, they are not

 

           14              cockroaches they are water bugs, but they

 

           15              got to check --

 

           16                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Phyllis, could you

 

           17              talk a little quieter?

 

           18                      MS. HUMPHRIES: You know what it is?

 

           19                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Could you talk a

 

           20              little quieter, please.

 

           21                      MS. HUMPHRIES: I think I'm talking

 

           22              louder because of that deaf school.  I think

 

           23              we should try to keep this for these

 

           24              children, these animals got to come back,

 

           25              stop taking away from the children.  It's


 

 

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            1              time that we do what we have to do and now

 

            2              one more thing that I want to wrap this up.

 

            3              About the World Trade Center I tried to

 

            4              figure it all out from Connors all the way

 

            5              up they didn't do anything, and I'm not

 

            6              drunk, I don't drink and I don't do drugs,

 

            7              but you know what that really had to do

 

            8              with, not only about the watching terrorists

 

            9              it had to do with construction.  That's why

 

           10              everybody sat back and let it happen and

 

           11              that's the truth because other people wrote

 

           12              it.  It's about construction and jobs and

 

           13              it's a damn shame.  God bless, I love ya and

 

           14              hasta la vista, baby.

 

           15                      MS. GATELLI: Is there any other

 

           16              speakers?

 

           17                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  She said was there

 

           18              any other speakers?

 

           19                      MS. KRAKE: Good evening, Council.

 

           20              My name is Nancy Krake.  I have three

 

           21              different topics, the first is there were

 

           22              campaign advertisements that came to my home

 

           23              in the past few days, they were for the

 

           24              mayor and they were pictures of his family

 

           25              and that part was very nice, but there was a


 

 

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            1              part that I found very disagreeable.  It

 

            2              seemed to me we were lead to believe that

 

            3              the statement paid for and authorized by the

 

            4              Pennsylvania Democratic State Committee,

 

            5              means perhaps to some folks that they have

 

            6              endorsed the mayor.  This is simply not

 

            7              true.  The Democratic endorsed candidate is

 

            8              Gary DiBileo.  Other people --

 

            9                      MS. MINORA: You're not --

 

           10                      MS. GATELLI: You're not allowed to

 

           11              talk about the candidates.

 

           12                      MS. KRAKE: Well, I'm not talking

 

           13              about them, I'm talking abut a mailing.

 

           14                      MS. GATELLI:  Mr. Minora, would you

 

           15              make a ruling?

 

           16                      MR. MINORA: Yeah, the same thing

 

           17              with Mr. Quinn, we weren't talking about

 

           18              campaign documents and who endorsed who, you

 

           19              got policy things you want to talk about

 

           20              before city council you are absolutely

 

           21              entitled to.  Once you get to advocating a

 

           22              candidate one way or the other or suggesting

 

           23              an advocacy you have stepped outside of the

 

           24              bounds.

 

           25                      MS. KRAKE: And I beg to differ that


 

 

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            1              I did not do that, but I respectfully abide

 

            2              by what you say.

 

            3                      MR. MINORA: Thank you.

 

            4                      MS. KRAKE:  My point, which was

 

            5              simply the next sentence after I was stating

 

            6              facts, is that Mr. Rendell, let's see if I

 

            7              can do this factually, has a very big stake

 

            8              in whoever is mayor of the city.  That is

 

            9              because he holds us in distressed status and

 

           10              we have been keeping his friends, the

 

           11              Pennsylvania Economy League, the

 

           12              consultants, employed for 17 distressed

 

           13              years.  Some things are false, some things

 

           14              are true, that is true.

 

           15                      I'd also like to say that the 48

 

           16              clerical jobs that the mayor claimed were

 

           17              savings simply were not.  It caused an

 

           18              increase, $800,000 plus in double pensions

 

           19              for at least the next 20 years, and he also

 

           20              took the clerk's salaries and used them in a

 

           21              budget to justify administrative jobs and

 

           22              raises.

 

           23                      I also have another statement about

 

           24              Mrs. Evans, just so you know.  Ms. Evans is

 

           25              suffering serious back injuries involving


 

 

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            1              her discs, and at the same time her mother

 

            2              remains hospitalized.  I know Mrs. Gatelli

 

            3              mentioned that.  Please keep her mom in your

 

            4              prayers.  Mrs. Evans has worked tirelessly

 

            5              for the people for close to six years.  If

 

            6              she could have been here I'm sure she would

 

            7              have.  She has never taken her

 

            8              responsibilities lightly nor has she taken

 

            9              the people of Scranton for granted.  We know

 

           10              Mrs. Evans will be back as soon as possible

 

           11              and she has earned and deserved our support

 

           12              so I hope we keep her working for us.  Thank

 

           13              you.

 

           14                      MS. KNIGHT: Good evening, Council.

 

           15              Gerry Knight, resident.  I'm home sitting

 

           16              watching my TV watching you three smirk, but

 

           17              you three and the other thing that sits in

 

           18              the middle all holler at us out here when we

 

           19              smirk or snicker about something that you

 

           20              have done.

 

           21                      Now, I'm going to take up you,

 

           22              Mr. Courtright, in the last three years when

 

           23              have you received a diploma in taxes?

 

           24                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  I haven't.

 

           25                      MS. KNIGHT:  You haven't.  Okay, but


 

 

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            1              you have a business in karate.

 

            2                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Yes, I do.

 

            3                      MS. KNIGHT: Yes, you do.  Now, you

 

            4              have rules in your karate.

 

            5                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Yes, I do.

 

            6                      MS. KNIGHT: Yes, you do.  It's a

 

            7              sir.  You are a sir to your pupils, am I

 

            8              right or wrong?

 

            9                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Yes.

 

           10                      MS. KNIGHT: To some degree.

 

           11                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Yes.

 

           12                      MS. KNIGHT: I know a little bit

 

           13              about karate.

 

           14                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Um-hum.

 

           15                      MS. KNIGHT:  And you do want

 

           16              respect, you demand it in a way, the way you

 

           17              teach your class.

 

           18                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Yes.

 

           19                      MS. KNIGHT: Oh, yes, you do.  Okay,

 

           20              then why in God's name do you want to get

 

           21              into the tax office?  Is it for the reason

 

           22              you don't want to do your business anymore

 

           23              or is it the $80,000 a year job?

 

           24                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  I wish it paid

 

           25              $80,000 a year, it doesn't.


 

 

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            1                      MS. KNIGHT:  Oh, it doesn't.  No.

 

            2              How about 60 or 70.

 

            3                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Not even about 40.

 

            4                      MS. KNIGHT:  I'm sorry, I hate to --

 

            5                      MR. COURTRIGHT: That's okay.

 

            6                      MS. KNIGHT: That --

 

            7                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Maybe if I win you

 

            8              can give me a raise.

 

            9                      MS. KNIGHT: Well, I'll tell you

 

           10              something, I wish when you were sitting in

 

           11              that chair next to Mrs. Evans, to me I have

 

           12              lost a lot of respect for you,

 

           13              Mr. Courtright, because you are a sir and a

 

           14              gentleman sitting in that seat.  Between

 

           15              these two you look like an idiot because she

 

           16              writes you notes, and talk about laughing,

 

           17              you have no right to laugh or giggle.  You

 

           18              are supposed to be attentive and writing

 

           19              down what these people are asking your

 

           20              questions.  Now, Sherry, I'm going to come

 

           21              to you because two weeks ago --

 

           22                      MR. COURTRIGHT: You are done with

 

           23              me?

 

           24                      MS. KNIGHT:  And you because you

 

           25              talked about how the computer was so


 

 

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            1              hassling you and putting heads up and

 

            2              chopping heads off.

 

            3                      MS. FANUCCI: What?  You better

 

            4              clarify that because I can't answer what I

 

            5              don't understand.  What are you talking

 

            6              about chopping heads off and putting heads

 

            7              on?

 

            8                      MS. KNIGHT: Well, yous were all

 

            9              talking about the computer, that's why you

 

           10              had the cops come and we had to be all

 

           11              searched and --

 

           12                      MS. FANUCCI: About the computer?

 

           13                      MS. KNIGHT: Yeah, because you were

 

           14              seeing things on the computer that people h

 

           15              were saying about you and your family.

 

           16                      MS. FANUCCI: Oh, okay, now -- okay,

 

           17              I didn't understand.  It was very difficult

 

           18              to follow.

 

           19                      MS. KNIGHT: Now I'm going to come

 

           20              down to your level, Sherry.  I'm coming to

 

           21              your level.

 

           22                      MS. FANUCCI: Okay.

 

           23                      MS. KNIGHT: Okay?  Right.  You talk

 

           24              about the firemen and their percentage of

 

           25              what they are going to make, I don't know


 

 

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            1              how to resolve that because I really didn't

 

            2              understand it, but I will tell you one

 

            3              thing, your job, his job and her job and the

 

            4              guy that is sitting in that corner is not

 

            5              worth your jobs over them.

 

            6                      MS. FANUCCI: I agree.

 

            7                      MS. KNIGHT:  Oh, you do?

 

            8                      MS. FANUCCI: Absolutely.  Over

 

            9              theirs?  Absolutely.

 

           10                      MS. KNIGHT: Oh, well, then --

 

           11                      MS. FANUCCI: I don't think anybody

 

           12              would take their job --

 

           13                      MS. KNIGHT: Well, then why in the

 

           14              heck don't you tell Doherty that he has to

 

           15              keep his men there.  I come from New York

 

           16              City, damn it, and there is not even enough

 

           17              people in here -- over here to run this

 

           18              whole area.  Like this gentleman said, I

 

           19              don't know where he is now, but you he said

 

           20              if there was a double fire like there was

 

           21              today you wouldn't have enough men.

 

           22                      MS. FANUCCI: Well, you know, in New

 

           23              York now they are closing almost 20 I

 

           24              believe fire companies, so thank God we are

 

           25              not doing that so, yeah, I agree.


 

 

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            1                      MS. KNIGHT:  Oh, big deal, but you

 

            2              only have what, 100 guys?

 

            3                      MS. FANUCCI:  I'm not sure, was it a

 

            4              150 I believe?  One fifty.

 

            5                      MS. KNIGHT: Big deal, that's not

 

            6              enough.  That's not enough.

 

            7                      MS. GATELLI:  Thank you.

 

            8                      MS. KNIGHT:  So between it all you

 

            9              wanted to make --

 

           10                      MS. GATELLI:  All right.  Thank you.

 

           11                      MS. KNIGHT: No, no, I'm not done.

 

           12                      MS. GATELLI:  You are done.  Your

 

           13              time is up.

 

           14                      MS. KNIGHT: I'm not done.

 

           15                      MS. GATELLI: Your time is up.  Thank

 

           16              you.

 

           17                      MS. KNIGHT: Between the both of you

 

           18              don't -- you couldn't make a pair of

 

           19              balls --

 

           20                      MS. GATELLI: You are out of order.

 

           21                      MS. KNIGHT: -- because the way you

 

           22              acted last week, two weeks ago.

 

           23                      MS. WILLIAMS: Good evening, City

 

           24              Council.  Joanne Williams, homeowner and

 

           25              taxpayer.  I'd like to ask anyone on the


 

 

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            1              council if they can answer this question,

 

            2              that's okay, I'm used to it.

 

            3                      MS. GATELLI: We are used to it, too,

 

            4              Mrs. Williams.  We are used to it, too.

 

            5                      MS. WILLIAMS: Who is responsible for

 

            6              placing the red and white yard signs that

 

            7              state "Tell Doherty not to close

 

            8              firehouses."

 

            9                      Does anybody know who is -- and no

 

           10              one has spoken up to that to say that they

 

           11              have been putting the signs out?

 

           12                      MS. GATELLI: No.

 

           13                      MS. WILLIAMS:  Well, these signs are

 

           14              nothing but a scare tactic to try to upset

 

           15              Scrantonians.  The mayor has said he is not

 

           16              closing firehouses.  As for a fact, I was

 

           17              informed that he is adding firemen -- a

 

           18              fireman to every shift.  Whoever put these

 

           19              signs up they need to take them down.  This

 

           20              is a false political statement.  As in the

 

           21              last mayor race, the scare was Mayor Doherty

 

           22              was going to privatize DPW, never happened.

 

           23              He didn't privatize DPW so that was a scare

 

           24              tactic last time.

 

           25                      Moving on, I hear tonight, you know,


 

 

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            1              people talking about Nay Aug Park,

 

            2              Mr. Quinn, Mr. Spindler, Mr. Jackowitz and

 

            3              they speak about Nay Aug Park and spending

 

            4              and I take it they are not happy about the

 

            5              spending at the park, but I recall a few

 

            6              years ago a playground was built up at Nay

 

            7              Aug by volunteers, and I don't recall not

 

            8              seeing any of yous -- any of yous there to

 

            9              volunteer to put up a playground for

 

           10              children and then you come here and you say,

 

           11              "I don't like this about the park, I don't

 

           12              like that about the park," the park is

 

           13              absolutely beautiful.  We have few speakers

 

           14              every week that come up to this podium and

 

           15              state these facts about the park, you know,

 

           16              if you go up there on any given day and talk

 

           17              to people they know what the park means to

 

           18              them.

 

           19                      At the last meeting two weeks ago I

 

           20              watched on 61 and I could not get over, and

 

           21              I respect firemen, I better say that because

 

           22              I was taught that as a young child and you

 

           23              are heroes, but I could not get over hearing

 

           24              Mr. Gervasi complain about a $5 copay for

 

           25              prescriptions if I heard him correctly.


 

 

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            1                      Also, this longevity pay, 5,000 to

 

            2              $7,000 longevity pay each year.  All I could

 

            3              think about is people, I know people -- I

 

            4              know people that work full-time jobs and

 

            5              don't receive health care at all or

 

            6              longevity pay.  We all need to think about

 

            7              what's going on here, and I respect yous,

 

            8              but, you know, you chose to be a

 

            9              firefighter, thank God we have them, and in

 

           10              your job description it's to fight fires.

 

           11                      Also, the mural at Nay Aug Park,

 

           12              Mrs. Fanucci, you said they would be painted

 

           13              by children so let's make that perfectly

 

           14              clear here, you know, before we get it all

 

           15              mixed up again, you know.

 

           16                      MS. FANUCCI: Right.  I will speak

 

           17              about that.

 

           18                      MS. WILLIAMS:  Because, you know, we

 

           19              spin and we turn things around here all of

 

           20              the time and it's not -- it's not that nice.

 

           21              Mr. Jackowitz spoke about his shirts that

 

           22              they wear, so I think excuse for them now,

 

           23              if the shirt fits -- - if your shirt fits

 

           24              wear it, and you wear it very well.  You

 

           25              know, I'm tired it.  I'm tired of the


 

 

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            1              negativity of people complaining about,

 

            2              like, I don't know what they these people

 

            3              would do if they really had a tragedy in

 

            4              their life --

 

            5                      MS. KNIGHT: I have.

 

            6                      MS. WILLIAMS:  Well, that's fine and

 

            7              dandy, but when people get up here and want

 

            8              to have prescriptions and pay not a penny,

 

            9              let's get real.  This city has come a long

 

           10              way.  The 500 block of Lackawanna County

 

           11              avenue is beautiful, okay?

 

           12                      MS. GATELLI: Excuse me.

 

           13                      MS. WILLIAMS:  Oh, it does.  They

 

           14              don't bother me because this is every

 

           15              weekers Tuesday night netted club that does

 

           16              not like Mayor Chris Doherty and that's fine

 

           17              because you think these people represent the

 

           18              city and represent you people?  They

 

           19              absolutely do not.  They do not.  And I

 

           20              don't know who the other man comes in with

 

           21              long hair and talks about his dogs, he told

 

           22              me he doesn't know who I'm speaking to, I

 

           23              speak to a lot of people in the city and

 

           24              they do like what is happening in this city.

 

           25                      I just want to close one thing real


 

 

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            1              briefly, to all Scrantonians, just look back

 

            2              eight years ago and remember what our city

 

            3              looked like and where it was headed.  Our

 

            4              city has made positive changes thanks to

 

            5              Sherry, Judy and Bob and Mayor Doherty.

 

            6              Let's not take another slide back.  Let's

 

            7              keep moving forward.  We need to keep you

 

            8              guys in office.  Thank you.

 

            9                      MS. HUMPHRIES:  I want to readdress

 

           10              on that.  I represent the city, the elderly.

 

           11                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Not now, Phyllis.

 

           12                      MS. GATELLI: Is there anyone else?

 

           13                      MR. JONES: Hi.  Bob from Scranton.

 

           14              I would just like to say that I have one of

 

           15              those little red signs in the front yard and

 

           16              I'd like to see the lady try to take it out

 

           17              of my yard.  Thank you.

 

           18                      MS. GATELLI: Sir, what was your name

 

           19              last name?

 

           20                      MR. JONES: Jones.

 

           21                      MS. GATELLI: Jones?

 

           22                      MR. JONES: Yes, I'm a Jones' boy.

 

           23                      MS. ROYCE: I guess whatever

 

           24              everybody else has to say doesn't matter,

 

           25              she walked out of here.  Hi, Bernadette


 

 

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            1              Royce, West Scranton.  I guess I'm going to

 

            2              have to go off record a little bit what I

 

            3              wrote since what she just had to say.  The

 

            4              Scranton Fire Department and Scranton Police

 

            5              Department have, obviously, once again

 

            6              proven their value to the citizens of

 

            7              Scranton.  Once again, off to do their jobs.

 

            8              Time is crucial in response.  I would remind

 

            9              you again that you have three minutes to

 

           10              escape -- (Fire sirens going off.) -- once

 

           11              again off to do their jobs to escape a

 

           12              structure fire.

 

           13                      Ms. Fanucci, the other week you

 

           14              accused people of scare tactics just as that

 

           15              woman did.  Again, I have one of those signs

 

           16              in my yard and try to take it away.  You

 

           17              have also said that the motives are strictly

 

           18              financial for Scranton fire department as

 

           19              that woman just did.  That it is all

 

           20              financial.  I don't work for Scranton Fire

 

           21              Department.  I am not married to a

 

           22              firefighter.

 

           23                      MS. FANUCCI: You did though; right?

 

           24                      MS. ROYCE: No, I've never --

 

           25                      MS. FANUCCI: Oh, I thought you said


 

 

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            1              were a -- -

 

            2                      MS. ROYCE: I am a retired

 

            3              firefighter.

 

            4                      MS. FANUCCI: Oh, okay.

 

            5                      MS. ROYCE: I was injured.  I have

 

            6              never worked for Scranton Fire Department.

 

            7                      MS. FANUCCI: Okay, for Scranton.

 

            8                      MS. ROYCE: No, I have been accused

 

            9              on the blogs of having been a Scranton

 

           10              firefighter.  I worked for a fire department

 

           11              in Florida.

 

           12                      MS. FANUCCI: We know you never

 

           13              believe the blogs under any circumstances.

 

           14                      MS. ROYCE: What?

 

           15                      MS. FANUCCI: You never believe the

 

           16              blogs under any circumstances.

 

           17                      MS. ROYCE: No, but I worked in

 

           18              Florida, okay?  I have never worked for

 

           19              Scranton so I do not take one dime from

 

           20              Scranton Fire Department, okay?  So I have

 

           21              no financial reason to be here.  None

 

           22              whatsoever.  I am not married to a

 

           23              firefighter from Scranton, okay?

 

           24                      I come here and I tell you the same

 

           25              thing regarding fire safety.  The poet


 

 

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            1              George Santiano famously said, "Those who do

 

            2              not remember the past are condemned to

 

            3              repeat it."

 

            4                      About 100 years ago there was a man

 

            5              named Edward Kroker, a chief from FDNY.  He

 

            6              also fight for increased fire safety in his

 

            7              city.  People also accused him of merely

 

            8              having financial motives when he fought for

 

            9              fire safety.  They stopped arguing on

 

           10              March 25, 1911.  Have either or any of you

 

           11              ever heard of Triangle Shirtwaist Factory?

 

           12              It's very famous.  It's in many of the

 

           13              history books.  On March 25, 1911, 142

 

           14              people died.  Many of them were young

 

           15              teenage girls working in the factory.  That

 

           16              day after that fire sprinkler laws were no

 

           17              longer fought against.

 

           18                      Firefighters have fought for the

 

           19              most of the fire safety laws in this

 

           20              country.  The Iroquois fire 1903, 602 people

 

           21              died that day that's why you have panic

 

           22              doors.  So when firefighters are fighting

 

           23              for fire safety, please do not say it is for

 

           24              financial reasons.  They are fighting

 

           25              because we have learned what history shows


 

 

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            1              us and we do not want a repeat of it.

 

            2                      As for FDNY you just said that they

 

            3              are closing 20 companies, off the top of my

 

            4              head I could have told you that FDNY had

 

            5              12,000 firefighters, they had 250 engines.

 

            6              I wasn't sure about trucks, okay, 156

 

            7              trucks.  I just text paged the one guy from

 

            8              FDNY's union, so to say 20 companies as if

 

            9              you telling people it's a lot, yes, it is.

 

           10              It is a tremendous amount, but when you have

 

           11              250 engines and 156 truck companies, that is

 

           12              not equal to Scranton to close four

 

           13              companies in Scranton.

 

           14                      MS. FANUCCI:  We are not closing

 

           15              them.

 

           16                      MS. ROYCE: The mayor will come May

 

           17              20.

 

           18                      MS. FANUCCI: I can guarantee that

 

           19              that's not accurate.  He is not going to

 

           20              close the fire companies.

 

           21                      MS. ROYCE:  He said he had to for

 

           22              the last eight years.

 

           23                      MS. FANUCCI: Looking into it and he

 

           24              looked into it for a long time which is what

 

           25              you do.  This is part of the plan.  PEL put


 

 

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            1              that on the table a long time ago.  That's

 

            2              why I wondered why this is such a big issue

 

            3              now.  PEL said when the Recovery Plan went

 

            4              through that this is something they were

 

            5              looking into, but that didn't mean it was

 

            6              actually going to have to take place.  So

 

            7              that's why I'm saying that that is not

 

            8              something now.  And actually I don't believe

 

            9              that we would be able -- we can afford to do

 

           10              that under any circumstances because not

 

           11              only with the safety, but then the plan was

 

           12              to build super firehouses which right now

 

           13              they can't do because we can't afford it.

 

           14                      So actually if you look at it, it's

 

           15              not really -- it's not feasible to have it

 

           16              because we can't afford financially to do

 

           17              the ultimate plan which would be to build

 

           18              the super firehouse.

 

           19                      MS. ROYCE:  I understand what you

 

           20              are saying about not being able to afford to

 

           21              build a new firehouse --

 

           22                      MS. FANUCCI: Right.

 

           23                      MS. ROYCE: However, most of us are

 

           24              very jaded when the mayor has said

 

           25              repeatedly that he is going to do, he is


 

 

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            1              going to do, he is going to do this, losses

 

            2              his nomination and suddenly he pulls a 180.

 

            3                      MS. FANUCCI: Well, this was before

 

            4              that though.  The meeting took place before

 

            5              the nomination.

 

            6                      MS. ROYCE:  Right around that time.

 

            7                      MS. FANUCCI: But that took place

 

            8              before the nomination.

 

            9                      MS. ROYCE:  Right around that time.

 

           10                      MS. FANUCCI: I understand.

 

           11                      MS. ROYCE:  Thank you very much.

 

           12              Have a good evening.

 

           13                      MR. ELLMAN:  Hello, Council.

 

           14                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Ron, before you even

 

           15              start, I was at the Taurus Club and I talked

 

           16              to Laura and she said you weren't there, so

 

           17              I don't know.  Maybe you're going to a

 

           18              different Taurus Club than I am.

 

           19                      MR. ELLMAN: I told you, you didn't

 

           20              look --

 

           21                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I told Laura you

 

           22              told me to look on the floor and I looked

 

           23              and you weren't there.

 

           24                      MR. ELLMAN: Or else you weren't in

 

           25              the bathroom.


 

 

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            1                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I went there, also.

 

            2                      MR. ELLMAN: If Mr. Doherty goes in

 

            3              that bathroom tomorrow he is lucky those

 

            4              walls can't talk because he wouldn't like to

 

            5              hear.  Well, before I get started I am going

 

            6              to tell a little story real quick, many

 

            7              years ago, about 25 probably, I come home in

 

            8              a bad mood and I said something to my wife

 

            9              and she took one of those dollar frying pans

 

           10              from the dollar, the little Teflon pans and

 

           11              she beat me to death.  We had a trailer that

 

           12              was 14 by 80 and I covered almost every inch

 

           13              of it trying to get away from her, and I hid

 

           14              behind the bar, this is the honest to God's

 

           15              truth now and I was holding this door knob

 

           16              and she is sliding the pan in there and I

 

           17              was all bloody and everything, and I prayed

 

           18              to God to give me some relief from this

 

           19              woman.

 

           20                      Now, this is the truth and she quit

 

           21              a couple of seconds and I wondered what

 

           22              happened to her, and I looked around the

 

           23              corner and she is looking out the window,

 

           24              and finally I looked out the window with her

 

           25              and there is her preacher from the church


 

 

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            1              she went to, the Southern Baptist Church,

 

            2              named Paul Sanders, he had 5,000 members and

 

            3              he knew me.  I mean, like the troublemaker

 

            4              or something, 5,000 people and he knew me.

 

            5              He is coming up the walkway of our trailer

 

            6              with two girls and I swear to God I quit

 

            7              smoking, drinking, carousing, anything if

 

            8              she would leave me alone and here come the

 

            9              preacher.  So I'm standing there he come in

 

           10              the door and I told him I want to join his

 

           11              church.

 

           12                      Where I'm going with all of this, a

 

           13              lady told me the other day, she said, I

 

           14              prayed to God to give me some relief from

 

           15              this mayor and I was thinking of that

 

           16              myself.  I said, it's just time he listened

 

           17              to his own advice, to Mr. Connors, four

 

           18              years and four years nothing has been

 

           19              accomplished.  Last year the boys were

 

           20              joking you can ruin your car driving up in

 

           21              the park for the car show on the city

 

           22              streets.

 

           23                      You know, I have an ear in

 

           24              Harrisburg that told me the mayor took the

 

           25              mayors for that bus ride around town and


 

 

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            1              showed them a couple of things here and

 

            2              there, we were the laughing stock of

 

            3              Harrisburg.  They know what's going on.

 

            4              They are mayors for crying out loud.

 

            5                      They know what the city is like.

 

            6              This nonsense he printed in the paper it's

 

            7              irresponsible print, house values are up.  I

 

            8              paid $350 like a year and a half ago for an

 

            9              appraisal on my house.  I got the booklet

 

           10              comparing me to other property and

 

           11              everything and then it was down an actual

 

           12              decline plus the city decline it was down

 

           13              like a quarter from what it was.  Three or

 

           14              four years before that it was appraised at

 

           15              over $100,000 and then they appraised it a

 

           16              91, now it's probably in the 70's.  I talk

 

           17              to real estate people, they are not selling

 

           18              nothing.  There is people that the family

 

           19              members tie they don't have a penny in the

 

           20              house to sell for whatever it brings.  The

 

           21              article in the paper, this very paper that

 

           22              he is bragging how greats things are on the

 

           23              city where the tree fell on the house in

 

           24              Clarks Summit, the lady had dropped her

 

           25              price in half in two or three years, and


 

 

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            1              Scranton would be like there is not a nice

 

            2              neighborhood in Scranton that would rate to

 

            3              anything up there in Clarks Summit price

 

            4              wise.

 

            5                      You know, the city is a mess.  It's

 

            6              time for somebody new.  There is a statement

 

            7              in the paper, I think it's a very foolish

 

            8              statement, it's bragging I think it said he

 

            9              has got 28 less policemen and eight less

 

           10              firemen.  That's ashame.  You are in the

 

           11              right neighborhood?  You drive by Jackson

 

           12              and Main at night you ought to give family

 

           13              plans to those poor people that have to live

 

           14              around that neighborhood with what stands on

 

           15              the corner.  It is bad.  I tell you I talked

 

           16              to this cab driver he tells me all of the

 

           17              time things that are happening that aren't

 

           18              in the papers.

 

           19                      The city has got to a drug problem

 

           20              and they have got a terrible problem with

 

           21              gangs and there is no sense hiding it.  It

 

           22              needs to be addressed, you know.  It's just

 

           23              like all of this bragging about 10,000

 

           24              people have been hired and KOZ.  We need

 

           25              taxpayers, we don't need more KOZ's.  I was


 

 

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            1              over at Redner's today watching them work

 

            2              across the street.  That's not going to help

 

            3              nothing.  How is that going to help any of

 

            4              us pay our taxes, you know, we need some

 

            5              taxpayers in the city and we need a new

 

            6              mayor that's going to bring something in

 

            7              here besides a bunch of foolish promises.

 

            8              Thank you.

 

            9                      MR. SLEDENZSKI: Hello, Jude.

 

           10                      MS. GATELLI: Hi, Chrissy.

 

           11                      MR. SLEDENZSKI: Hello, Bill.

 

           12                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Hi, Chris.

 

           13                      MR. SLEDENZSKI: Billy, I got a note

 

           14              here, I'm going to go nice and slow.  I'm

 

           15              going to talk easy tonight.  I get too

 

           16              nervous --

 

           17                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Take your time,

 

           18              Chris.  Go ahead.

 

           19                      MR. SLEDENZSKI: I get nervous too

 

           20              much.  Billy, these firehouses, Billy, I

 

           21              don't want to see any one of them closing

 

           22              down.  Engine 9 and Engine 4 I want to keep

 

           23              them open because there are fires.  I want

 

           24              to keep them open in the city.  What's going

 

           25              to happen, Bill.  These fires, Bill, they


 

 

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            1              bust their humps every single day for us,

 

            2              Bill, for the citizens of the City of

 

            3              Scranton.  They are going to fight for us.

 

            4              No one else.  Thank you.

 

            5                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Thank you.

 

            6                      MR. NEWCOMB, JR.: Good evening,

 

            7              Council.  I was determined that I would

 

            8              never come to this podium again, but I just

 

            9              have to say after the last few weeks I came

 

           10              out of hibernation.

 

           11                      First, let me say that I still have

 

           12              the water problem in my neighborhood and I

 

           13              still have lakefront property on North

 

           14              Cameron Avenue is anybody is interested in

 

           15              coming over and going for a boat ride.

 

           16                      MS. GATELLI: The catch basin didn't

 

           17              help at all?

 

           18                      MR. NEWCOMB, JR.: No, the catch

 

           19              basin there is so much water coming down the

 

           20              mountain, we've contacted Senator Mellow,

 

           21              Senator Casey, Representative Shimkus and

 

           22              now Representative Murphy and they all

 

           23              points to the city's problem.  I mean, I

 

           24              think I forwarded you information from

 

           25              Representative Murphy who said that there is


 

 

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            1              nothing they can do about it, so I don't

 

            2              know what else we are supposed to do but sit

 

            3              there and watch the neighborhood

 

            4              deteriorate.

 

            5                      I don't have any personal interest

 

            6              in the fire department with the exception

 

            7              that I'm fortunate enough since the last

 

            8              time I stood at this podium to have two

 

            9              wonderful children and that's what comes

 

           10              first to me and when I do some numbers, and

 

           11              I'm respectfully just giving you the

 

           12              numbers, they just don't add up to me.

 

           13                      From what I was told, there is four

 

           14              shifts for the fire department.  Currently

 

           15              we have it's not 150 firemen it's 142.  So

 

           16              if you add four firemen like they said they

 

           17              want to do that brings you to 146 if they

 

           18              add the four.  Currently, you are paying

 

           19              $700,000 in overtime.  $700,000 in overtime

 

           20              -- without overtime comes out to 162 fire

 

           21              fighters, so to be able to run this city

 

           22              without any overtime for the fire department

 

           23              comes out to 162 firefighters.  So, correct

 

           24              me if I'm wrong, but two things are going to

 

           25              happen here, either you got to hire people


 

 

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            1              or you got to fire people.  There is no

 

            2              other solution for it, and four isn't going

 

            3              to do it because to get to 162 how are you

 

            4              going to do it with 146?  That just doesn't

 

            5              make sense to me.

 

            6                      Also, if you want to look back in

 

            7              1992 Recovery Plan the state and the city

 

            8              and DCED cut the amount of firefighters from

 

            9              200 to 150.  In that plan, they mandated

 

           10              that the City of Scranton put in $500,000

 

           11              for overtime, so in order to get rid of that

 

           12              $500,000 in overtime you got to decrease the

 

           13              fire department -- or, I'm sorry, you got to

 

           14              increase the fire department to 162 so it's

 

           15              basic math.  So maybe the firehouses aren't

 

           16              going to close, but I don't know how you are

 

           17              going to cut the numbers.  I hope the

 

           18              firehouses don't close, I really do, but if

 

           19              they do close I won't be resident of

 

           20              Scranton anymore because it scares me.

 

           21                      The big elephant in the room that

 

           22              nobody likes to talk about, and I got these

 

           23              numbers outs of the budget, the fire

 

           24              department's budget in 2002 was $13,709,910;

 

           25              2008 was $13,984,482, an increase of


 

 

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            1              $270,000 or 1 percent.  The city budget

 

            2              $56,597,640; 2008, $84,558,874.  That's

 

            3              $28 million and an increase of 46 percent,

 

            4              so I asked how is this the fire department's

 

            5              problem that the city has the financial

 

            6              difficulties that they do when their budget

 

            7              nearly stayed the same for six years.

 

            8                      And, you know, and I respect

 

            9              everybody that comes to this podium, and I

 

           10              might not agree with everybody that comes to

 

           11              this podium, but to give the impression that

 

           12              firemen are trying to be greedy because they

 

           13              have to be a $5 copay I just think is

 

           14              completely unacceptable.  I don't think

 

           15              anybody asks these firemen -- that wants to

 

           16              trade jobs with these firemen.  I don't

 

           17              think any one of us would want to do what

 

           18              they did today.  If we did we would be over

 

           19              there doing it, and somebody stated before

 

           20              that they make about $15,000 less than any

 

           21              other firefighter in the state, so don't --

 

           22              I'm not saying you guys are, but don't

 

           23              criticize these people for wanting to do a

 

           24              job that's going to save you and me and my

 

           25              family and everybody else, but just stop


 

 

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            1              blaming the fire department for the

 

            2              financial problems of this city because when

 

            3              you look at these numbers it's not -- it's

 

            4              not their fault and please show me a plan

 

            5              that's going to tell me how you are going to

 

            6              be able to not pay overtime and increase the

 

            7              amount of firefighters.

 

            8                      MS. FANUCCI:  I can only tell you

 

            9              what came down from the ruling, it's going

 

           10              to three shifts which is the difference.

 

           11              Your numbers are talking about four shifts

 

           12              or four by four shifts.  We are actually

 

           13              doing three, so that would be a difference,

 

           14              also, and that's what they are saying when

 

           15              they are saying they are adding a man on

 

           16              every vehicle, now when you get a call two

 

           17              people are on vehicle.

 

           18                      MR. NEWCOMB, JR.: Okay.

 

           19                      MS. FANUCCI: Okay?  And this will

 

           20              actually bring three people on and I believe

 

           21              with the manning and the shifts that it

 

           22              would change the numbers, and I want to make

 

           23              is clear, blaming them is not accurate.

 

           24              Nobody is blaming them.  The difference in

 

           25              the figures that I was cited last week -- or


 

 

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            1              two weeks ago, I'm sorry, was the health

 

            2              care and the amount of health care.  That to

 

            3              me is probably one of the biggest -- the

 

            4              biggest issues we have.  The health care had

 

            5              to stay the same with the contract we were

 

            6              under.  We had to pay for the same amount

 

            7              for health care regardless of how much our

 

            8              costs were going up, so that was the

 

            9              difference there.

 

           10                      Also, I do want to tell you with the

 

           11              health care costs, now when they got the new

 

           12              ruling I believe five years they are covered

 

           13              for health care after five -- oh, no, I'm

 

           14              sorry, that was the cops.  I'm sorry, that

 

           15              was the policeman, I'm sorry.  They have no

 

           16              health care now afterwards, and I believe

 

           17              that might be the fight that we are seeing

 

           18              now because they were -- before that they

 

           19              had health care for life and so did their

 

           20              spouse or whoever they chose, so that might

 

           21              be -- that was actually what I was more

 

           22              referring to.  The shifts, I could go on

 

           23              forever, I'm sorry, I wanted to tell you

 

           24              that the three shifts I believe is what they

 

           25              are claiming will cut some costs.


 

 

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            1                      MR. NEWCOMB, JR.: So is there three

 

            2              shifts of 162 people or will it just be 142

 

            3              and then they will just not work --

 

            4                      MS. FANUCCI: I will -- actually we

 

            5              will find that out for you next week.

 

            6                      MR. NEWCOMB, JR.: Yeah, because the

 

            7              numbers --

 

            8                      MS. FANUCCI: Let's do that because

 

            9              the numbers --

 

           10                      MR. NEWCOMB, JR.: Seriously, the

 

           11              numbers don't add up, that's what I'm

 

           12              saying.  If you are paying $500,000 overtime

 

           13              then you would really have to -- if you

 

           14              increase it by 20 --

 

           15                      MS. FANUCCI: Remember, overtime is

 

           16              time and a half sometimes, so you are paying

 

           17              a lot more where now with the new -- it

 

           18              wouldn't be -- you maybe wouldn't be paying

 

           19              time and a half or double time or holiday

 

           20              pay, so that might be a savings, too.

 

           21                      MR. NEWCOMB, JR.:  I would

 

           22              appreciate if you could get the numbers.  I

 

           23              don't know if I will be here again, but --

 

           24                      MS. FANUCCI:  We are hoping

 

           25              Mr. Renda comes in with some figures and


 

 

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            1              that might clear things up.

 

            2                      MR. SCHREIBER: Good evening,

 

            3              Council.  My name is Dave Schreiber,

 

            4              president of the firefighters.  I had no

 

            5              intentions of speaking tonight, but what I

 

            6              just heard this conversation it's just

 

            7              loaded with falsehoods.  Again, the thing

 

            8              about health care for life, absolute

 

            9              fallacy.  It was years ago.  It was until

 

           10              you hit Medicare age.  That has been gone

 

           11              since 1993.

 

           12                      MS. FANUCCI: But the people who got

 

           13              on board still got it now, we have to be

 

           14              accurate.  Even though it's not on for the

 

           15              new hires, it was not gone for the people

 

           16              who are hired before that time.

 

           17                      MR. SCHREIBER:  The people --

 

           18                      MS. FANUCCI: Am I correct?

 

           19                      MR. SCHREIBER:  The people that

 

           20              still were promised that, some of which

 

           21              don't even --

 

           22                      MR. FANUCCI: Still have it though,

 

           23              they still had it.  It didn't get taken away

 

           24              from the whole department, it was only for

 

           25              the new hires.


 

 

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            1                      MR. SCHREIBER:  It did not --

 

            2                      MS. FANUCCI: It did right not,

 

            3              right, which was two months ago.

 

            4                      MR. SCHREIBER:  That's gone, so to

 

            5              say that's what we have.  But the other

 

            6              inaccuracy, you were talking about double

 

            7              time pay, holiday pay, we have none of that.

 

            8                      MS. FANUCCI: Not now.  I'm talking

 

            9              about --

 

           10                      MR. SCHREIBER:  We never had it.

 

           11                      MS. FANUCCI:  In your old contract

 

           12              you did not have time and a half pay?

 

           13                      MR. SCHREIBER:  We have time and a

 

           14              half pay for overtime.

 

           15                      MS. FANUCCI: Well, that's exactly

 

           16              what I just said.

 

           17                      MR. SCHREIBER:  You stated double

 

           18              pay.  There is no such thing as double pay.

 

           19              Right now there is a compliment of 142

 

           20              firefighters today.

 

           21                      MS. FANUCCI:  Right.

 

           22                      MR. SCHREIBER:  If we go to a

 

           23              three-shift system and you divide in the

 

           24              amount of people and how many people need to

 

           25              be off to average that shift down to a


 

 

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            1              48-hour schedule you do not have enough

 

            2              personnel to staff the city.

 

            3                      And as far as what's on record as

 

            4              far as fire station closures, engine company

 

            5              closures, truck company closures, whatever

 

            6              you want to say they are, it's very

 

            7              well-documented what this administration and

 

            8              this mayor and director of public safety has

 

            9              stated over six, seven years, and I believe

 

           10              it was last year Mayor Doherty after one of

 

           11              the Court decisions, and it was -- and I'm

 

           12              just paraphrasing, but I believe the exact

 

           13              quote was, "Make no mistake about it, there

 

           14              will be reductions in the fire department."

 

           15                      So it wasn't a study being done,

 

           16              every intention along the way was to have

 

           17              those cuts made.  Now, here we are in

 

           18              election season and now we are not going to

 

           19              do it in the short-term.

 

           20                      MS. FANUCCI: But now we have a plan,

 

           21              so why aren't we active with the plan?

 

           22                      MR. SCHREIBER:  Where is the plan,

 

           23              may I ask?

 

           24                      MS. FANUCCI: We don't.  We know that

 

           25              firehouses are not closing.  We know there


 

 

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            1              are going to be more people on per a truck

 

            2              that arrives.  You are actually going to

 

            3              have another extra guy there, so now you

 

            4              know this is -- what we are dealing with.

 

            5              Whether or not it's right or wrong --

 

            6                      MR. SCHREIBER:  How did you get to

 

            7              that?

 

            8                      MS. FANUCCI: This is what we're

 

            9              dealing with right now.

 

           10                      MR. SCHREIBER: How do you get to

 

           11              that point with the 142 people and you are

 

           12              doing away with overtime and you are not

 

           13              going to have any other type of recall at

 

           14              all, you physically can't get that many

 

           15              slots out 142 personnel.  It's not doable.

 

           16                      MS. KNIGHT:  It's not feasible,

 

           17              period.

 

           18                      MS. FANUCCI:  There's your cheering

 

           19              section.

 

           20                      MR. SCHREIBER: I don't have a

 

           21              cheerleader section.

 

           22                      MS. FANUCCI: But you do, you got

 

           23              somebody yelling out in the back.  What I'm

 

           24              saying is --

 

           25                      MR. SCHREIBER: I'm discussing a very


 

 

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            1              serious --

 

            2                      MS. FANUCCI: And I agree, and we

 

            3              said this from day one, I think it would be

 

            4              good to have someone come and discuss

 

            5              actually what the plan is and what is going

 

            6              on.

 

            7                      MR. SCHREIBER: And I would --

 

            8                      MS. FANUCCI: We have been hearing

 

            9              rumors and innuendoes for four years since

 

           10              I've been sitting here.

 

           11                      MR. SCHREIBER: There is no rumors.

 

           12                      MS. FANUCCI: The whole thing has

 

           13              been nothing about rumors and innuendoes.

 

           14                      MR. SCHREIBER: Not from --

 

           15                      MS. FANUCCI: One week we're going to

 

           16              settle them, now we are not settling, we

 

           17              have a contract, we don't have a contract.

 

           18              That's what's been going on for four years.

 

           19                      MR. SCHREIBER: Excuse me for a

 

           20              second though?

 

           21                      MS. FANUCCI: Right?

 

           22                      MR. SCHREIBER: I come very

 

           23              infrequently to this and I speak on facts.

 

           24                      MS. FANUCCI:  Right.

 

           25                      MR. SCHREIBER:  And I am telling you


 

 

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            1              when you do the math it doesn't work out, I

 

            2              am -- I'm absolutely certain of what's been

 

            3              on record.

 

            4                      MS. FANUCCI: Well, let's find out

 

            5              how they plan on making it work.

 

            6                      MR. SCHREIBER: Let me finish,

 

            7              please, innuendo and rumor, it is not rumor.

 

            8              When I look at a headline and/or I see a TV

 

            9              interview with the mayor or Ray Hayes here

 

           10              saying, "Make no mistake about it, there are

 

           11              going to be reductions in the fire service,"

 

           12              that equates to what, a reduction in the

 

           13              apparatus that's out there.  It's not like

 

           14              there is people just hanging around.  If you

 

           15              cut three people, it equates to a piece of

 

           16              equipment.

 

           17                      MS. FANUCCI: Yeah.

 

           18                      MR. SCHREIBER:  I mean, there is no

 

           19              rumor, no innuendo about that.  It's

 

           20              absolutely fact, so we have years of these

 

           21              statements.  You tell me --

 

           22                      MS. FANUCCI:  You are right,

 

           23              especially it was in the Recovery Plan so

 

           24              it's not -- it was in the Recovery Plan.

 

           25                      MR. SCHREIBER: Well, you tell me


 

 

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            1              where we are going with this thing when that

 

            2              statement has been made time in and time

 

            3              out, make no mistake about it, there will be

 

            4              reductions in the fire department.  I sat in

 

            5              on a meeting when I was told Engine 4 and

 

            6              Engine 9 will be closed as a matter of fact.

 

            7              No real discussion about it.  That's what's

 

            8              going to happen.

 

            9                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Mr. Schreiber, can I

 

           10              interrupt you want one second, who told you

 

           11              that?

 

           12                      MS. FANUCCI: I know who you said.

 

           13                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Who was the one that

 

           14              told you that.

 

           15                      MR. SCHREIBER:  I was here once

 

           16              before and I spoke on that issue.  I was in

 

           17              the --

 

           18                      MS. FANUCCI: He said that it was --

 

           19                      MR. SCHREIBER:  Ray Hayes, Stu Renda

 

           20              and the fire chief.

 

           21                      MS. FANUCCI: That's why I think it

 

           22              would be great if we had this out and

 

           23              cleared up because this is -- and nobody

 

           24              wants to see it.  I certainly don't want to

 

           25              see a reduction in firehouses, I don't want


 

 

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            1              to see a reduction in firefighters, none of

 

            2              us want to see that.  We have been on the

 

            3              record saying that over and over again.  Has

 

            4              there been any negotiations, has there been

 

            5              any other sitting down at the table at all

 

            6              since this was handed down from the courts?

 

            7                      MR. SCHREIBER: Nothing.  No.

 

            8                      MS. FANUCCI: Was there any reach out

 

            9              on either side?

 

           10                      MR. SCHREIBER: Not to this point.

 

           11                      MS. FANUCCI: Not to this point.

 

           12                      MR. SCHREIBER:  No.

 

           13                      MS. FANUCCI: Okay.  That's sad.

 

           14              Thank you.

 

           15                      MS. GATELLI:  Thank you.

 

           16                      MR. ANCHERANI: Good evening.  Nelson

 

           17              Ancherani, First Amendment Rights.  So much

 

           18              to say and so little time to say it.  Two

 

           19              weeks ago Ms. Fanucci went onto say she was

 

           20              going to take off where I left off.  Well,

 

           21              she did, she got the last word in, so I will

 

           22              do what I can to offer rebuttal.

 

           23                      First, Ms. Fanucci said the fire

 

           24              department gets $500,000 a year in overtime.

 

           25              Correct.  For 152 members it averages out to


 

 

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            1              $3,289 per member a year.

 

            2                      MS. FANUCCI: It was seven I said.

 

            3                      MR. NELSON:  She thought she had a

 

            4              gotcha yet, but she either wasn't in a cover

 

            5              or didn't know it that 50 fire personnel --

 

            6              I have to get this in in five minutes.

 

            7                      MS. FANUCCI: Go ahead.

 

            8                      MR. ANCHERANI: So you can say your

 

            9              last word later, 50 fire personnel were

 

           10              given up for that overtime and PEL agree.

 

           11              Just like the slimes, she forget to mention

 

           12              that the DPW has budgeted $385,099 for this

 

           13              year for 102 members.  It averages out to

 

           14              $3,775 per member.  That's $487 more per

 

           15              year for a DPW worker than fire department

 

           16              worker, but then I'm sure she knew that.

 

           17                      She talked about longevity.  She

 

           18              went right to the rank of deputy chief in

 

           19              the fire department, second highest paid in

 

           20              the department, $42,500 she said after the

 

           21              chief who gets $61,000.  Why didn't you take

 

           22              the base pay at approximately $37,800 and

 

           23              say that.

 

           24                      She forgot to say that there are 21

 

           25              departments, 21 departments listed in the


 

 

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            1              budget and 17 of those departments have

 

            2              longevity amounts in their budgets.  In

 

            3              fact, the newly created public safety office

 

            4              in 2009 has $10,842 budgeted for longevity

 

            5              for this year.  Never before was there

 

            6              longevity in that office since it was

 

            7              created in 2002.

 

            8                      She also didn't state that the

 

            9              longevity has been eliminated from the

 

           10              police department for anyone hired after

 

           11              2003.  41 police officers who did not get

 

           12              longevity, 41 officers who had it taken off

 

           13              of them who were getting it.  You also

 

           14              forgot to say that longevity is capped at 10

 

           15              percent in the police department.  We gave

 

           16              the rest of that up in negotiations, another

 

           17              give away.

 

           18                      Ms. Fanucci said last week, and I'll

 

           19              quote from her council minutes, "I am

 

           20              presenting exactly what I received as facts

 

           21              and that is what I'm going to do.  The

 

           22              actual overtime costs, and I'm going to do

 

           23              this again for 2007, was $621,649.38.

 

           24              Overtime in 2008, $712,350."

 

           25                      Wrong.  Overtime budgeted for 2007


 

 

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            1              was $955,000 and for 2008 it was $1,069,300

 

            2              and that's for a total of 17 departments out

 

            3              of 21 at city hall.

 

            4                      "I don't care --" okay.  "And I will

 

            5              look into the camera any time I want to look

 

            6              into the camera because I'm speaking to

 

            7              everyone out there, not just the people in

 

            8              this room.  This is about the taxpayers and

 

            9              it's their money.  It's their money.  Not

 

           10              just the ten people who come here."

 

           11                      I don't care if you look into the

 

           12              camera.  You are the one who called this the

 

           13              Jerry Springer show.

 

           14                      MS. FANUCCI: You're the one that

 

           15              said it.

 

           16                      MR. ANCHERANI:  You said it.  This

 

           17              is about -- no, you said it.  You called it

 

           18              the Jerry Springer show back then.

 

           19                      MS. FANUCCI: No, I'm saying you were

 

           20              the one that made the comment I was looking

 

           21              in the camera.

 

           22                      MR. ANCHERANI: You did.

 

           23                      MS. FANUCCI: No, I did say it was

 

           24              the Jerry Spring show.

 

           25                      MR. ANCHERANI: You voted for a


 

 

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            1              20 percent tax increase.

 

            2                      MS. FANUCCI: Yes, I did.

 

            3                      MR. ANCHERANI: Did you forgot that

 

            4              the taxpayers and their children and their

 

            5              grandchildren will be paying back

 

            6              approximately 300 million in long-term debt?

 

            7                      I wanted to address more issues, but

 

            8              I have to address something, "On the

 

            9              website, which I love, that actually people

 

           10              come up here and defend this, that all of

 

           11              the union leaders get up and talk about like

 

           12              it's a good thing.  Every one of you on the

 

           13              website talking about my family.  You are

 

           14              the only one, Nancy did, Ancherani quotes

 

           15              it."

 

           16                      Then Mrs. Gatelli said, "There is a

 

           17              police officer who comes here and defends

 

           18              the website."

 

           19                      Must be me.  What website?  Do you

 

           20              mean the Doherty Deceit website?  I read it

 

           21              because I get my news there.  They scoop the

 

           22              slimes.  I challenge Mrs. Gatelli and

 

           23              Mrs. Fanucci to produce where on that

 

           24              website Doherty deceit where I called them

 

           25              or their family's names.  Not my style.  So


 

 

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            1              the challenge is out there.  I will not

 

            2              forget that those same two called council

 

            3              speakers' names when we were waved and

 

            4              wanded to come in here a couple of years

 

            5              ago.  In the paper, we were called names by

 

            6              those two council members.  Thank you.

 

            7                      MS. GATELLI: Anyone else?  Mrs.

 

            8              Garvey.

 

            9                      MS. GARVEY: 5-A.  Motions.

 

           10                      MS. FANUCCI: First thing I want to

 

           11              speak about is the art mural program.  This

 

           12              program is a lot different than I think the

 

           13              concept is out there.  This happened last

 

           14              year, also.  It's a program for children

 

           15              that can enroll to state parks, it's in

 

           16              Weston Field, Weston Park, Connell Park,

 

           17              Novembrino and Pennridge Complex.

 

           18                      The children go, it's an arts in the

 

           19              park program so the kids can come, stay the

 

           20              day.  They have, you know, snack, they have

 

           21              -- it's a free program.  The murals that

 

           22              they do are the bonus and of what you get

 

           23              from the program.  It teaches them art, it

 

           24              teaches them respect for the art, but it is

 

           25              exactly what a lot of speakers come here


 

 

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            1              every week and ask for, it's a free program

 

            2              in the parks for children to help them

 

            3              learn, you know, different things about art.

 

            4              It's from K-12 and there is about 30

 

            5              children at each site, so they usually put

 

            6              it in the paper or advertise it in all

 

            7              different ways, but it has to do with --

 

            8              Scranton School District is part of it.

 

            9              Also, a lot of community places, the Boys

 

           10              and Girls Club, and the participants are not

 

           11              just -- it's a workshop.  It's -- I'm trying

 

           12              to read it all fast, I'm sorry, it's about

 

           13              four pages long.

 

           14                      It's age specific and it introduces

 

           15              children to visual arts and plan and design

 

           16              and implementation of a long creative

 

           17              portrait murals as designed for Weston Field

 

           18              and all along the parks, so it's more to

 

           19              teach them about how to be part of their own

 

           20              communities and makes them feel they like

 

           21              they are part of something.

 

           22                      Let's see here, I just want to tell

 

           23              you the the Recreational Department did this

 

           24              in 2007, also.  The children were able to

 

           25              pick out a craft or a project and they would


 

 

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            1              enjoy with the facilitator of the program,

 

            2              so there is also like three people I believe

 

            3              in each complex to help the children along.

 

            4                      As I said, the Boys and Girls Club,

 

            5              the State School for the Deaf, Ronald

 

            6              McDonald House, Children's Advocacy

 

            7              Alliance, Luzerne County Children and Youth

 

            8              Services, and many other groups reserved

 

            9              this space, this art space, this is what

 

           10              they wanted so they also are involved in

 

           11              this program, so that's what it is.  It's

 

           12              not just about framing murals, it's a

 

           13              children program which I think is a very

 

           14              well-needed for all of us.

 

           15                      Obviously, I'm also want, we have

 

           16              one thing on the agenda about Fellows Park,

 

           17              and people have gotten up and spoke about

 

           18              this.  This is for improvements to the park,

 

           19              we are passing legislation so that the park

 

           20              can have everything from sidewalks to new

 

           21              paving cutouts, more green space, benches,

 

           22              trash receptacles.  It's to make this

 

           23              accessible for families and more of a play

 

           24              area.  They are doing a safe surface so that

 

           25              the children don't get hurt, so we are also


 

 

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            1              passing it, well, hopefully passing it,

 

            2              that's on the agenda tonight so I wanted to

 

            3              speak about that.  The monies we received

 

            4              from CDBG had already gone out to this park

 

            5              before to help preserve a monument that was

 

            6              there, they did some lighting on the

 

            7              monument.  Also, did some sidewalks around

 

            8              the monument, also.  So this actually is

 

            9              just going on with something that was

 

           10              already done for them.

 

           11                      (Several fire engines went by.)

 

           12              Usually, the Scranton Times sends us things

 

           13              on the phone to tell us where the fires are

 

           14              and we haven't received anything yet, so

 

           15              hopefully it's not anything big going on in

 

           16              the city.

 

           17                      I do want to speak on some of the

 

           18              things that were said tonight.

 

           19              Mr. Ancherani, I know that you did speak

 

           20              about me looking into the camera.  The only

 

           21              reason I rebutted and said something because

 

           22              I was replying to what you had said.  A lot

 

           23              of times here I know that it's hard, but

 

           24              when people say something it's not right for

 

           25              us to just sit here and listen and not say


 

 

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            1              something back.  I mean, you were upset for

 

            2              some reason that I looked into the camera.

 

            3              I'm going to look into the camera, but now

 

            4              all of a sudden you are not, but two weeks

 

            5              ago it seemed to bother you.

 

            6                      It seems that when facts are

 

            7              presented on another side it doesn't go over

 

            8              as well.  I don't understand how here's a

 

            9              budget and here is something that the

 

           10              administration has sent, but yet they are

 

           11              wrong.  They are always wrong, but then if

 

           12              they weren't wrong wouldn't people come up

 

           13              and say, "My paycheck is not accurate," or

 

           14              "my overtime pay is not accurate" or "my

 

           15              copay was not accurate."

 

           16                      So the numbers have to come from

 

           17              somewhere.  That is why I wanted the

 

           18              administration to come here.  Whether or not

 

           19              you agree or disagree is not the issue.  The

 

           20              issue is that we need to find out the hard

 

           21              facts and the hard numbers, that is the

 

           22              issue.  If this is not so contentious it

 

           23              certainly would not be going on this long.

 

           24                      My belief is that, you know, I know

 

           25              it's easier to say, "Well, she is against


 

 

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            1              firemen or against policemen," but that is

 

            2              totally inaccurate.  It has nothing to do

 

            3              with being against anyone.  It has to do

 

            4              with what we are working with, what we have

 

            5              to do to get over this.  Every speaker that

 

            6              comes up, I'm not going to say everyone, but

 

            7              many speakers come up and say, "We want to

 

            8              get out of distressed status.  We don't want

 

            9              to be here anymore."

 

           10                      I don't want to be here anymore

 

           11              either and to imply that a mayor or that a

 

           12              governor still wants you to be here in

 

           13              distressed status is almost ludicrous

 

           14              because at some point you would be able to

 

           15              take that and say, "This was an

 

           16              accomplishment for me."

 

           17                      So to say that somebody doesn't want

 

           18              to accomplish this would be absolutely the

 

           19              opposite of what you would want as a leader

 

           20              in the community or a leader in the

 

           21              governor's office or a leader in any way.  I

 

           22              would love not to have to pay PEL.  I think

 

           23              everybody in the state would love not to

 

           24              have to pay PEL anything.  Unfortunately,

 

           25              they are very busy in Pennsylvania because


 

 

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            1              we are not the only ones.  In fact,

 

            2              recently, I know that they have actually --

 

            3              other people have claimed distressed city.

 

            4              Now, we have had it and we don't even know--

 

            5              we are not even sure that this is something

 

            6              that after all of this has come to help us

 

            7              expect for I believe when we do get more

 

            8              grant money and things of that nature.

 

            9                      But, yeah, this is all in the

 

           10              recovery plan, so to say that things

 

           11              shouldn't change as time goes on is a

 

           12              little, you know, absurd.  I know that we've

 

           13              had one speaker get up facts, facts and more

 

           14              facts, you know, that's great, but

 

           15              everything changes.  When you are home and

 

           16              you say, "I have to put a new roof on my

 

           17              house," but then your water heater goes you

 

           18              have to decide after you get the bill for

 

           19              the water heater and the bill for the roof

 

           20              what's going to be your best bet.  It's not

 

           21              any different in your city.  It's not any

 

           22              different for us much.  We'd love to have

 

           23              all of the money in the world.  I would love

 

           24              to give everyone everything they want.

 

           25              Everybody.  I would love to.  And I think


 

 

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            1              that the administration wouldn't be against

 

            2              that, too.  I mean, if you had all the money

 

            3              why not give it to your employees, you would

 

            4              love to.

 

            5                      It's not a fact of believing that

 

            6              one is not doing their job, I said that from

 

            7              day one.  There is no way that our policemen

 

            8              and our firefighters aren't going to do what

 

            9              their job entails.  Does that mean we

 

           10              shouldn't make it easier?  No, we should

 

           11              make it easier, but this has not made it any

 

           12              easier.  Coming here week after week with

 

           13              this battle and this being the battle ground

 

           14              has not done anything and my belief is if

 

           15              you put that much effort into finally

 

           16              sitting down at a table can you imagine how

 

           17              long this would have lasted?

 

           18                      There is no way that what has taken

 

           19              place here week after week has not shown why

 

           20              we have not come to an agreement.  No way.

 

           21              We are not coming to an agreement, I said

 

           22              that from day one, and I will stand by that.

 

           23              There is no way we will come to an agreement

 

           24              until we end up in Court just like we did

 

           25              last time.  Why?  Because there's a lot at


 

 

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            1              stake on both sides, and that's what it's

 

            2              about.

 

            3                      And I know that the realistic

 

            4              argument is not a very pretty picture, but

 

            5              it is the realistic part of it.  The union

 

            6              had a lot to lose here, they put a lot of

 

            7              money in this and invested a lot of time.

 

            8              The administration has done the same.  To

 

            9              say that one person should back down or

 

           10              another should back down at this stage of

 

           11              the game will never happen.  It will not

 

           12              happen.

 

           13                      That is why this election again

 

           14              becomes just like the last, the battle

 

           15              ground.  And I think that when you see the

 

           16              people out there they know they know why

 

           17              it's the battle ground.  They know why the

 

           18              signs went up earlier and why we had to have

 

           19              this happen.  Why?  Because it depends on

 

           20              them.  It depends on them, because if it

 

           21              didn't depend on them we wouldn't have

 

           22              people coming up every single week and

 

           23              speaking on this to make sure that they get

 

           24              their point across to the public, so they

 

           25              know that that's their audience and that


 

 

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            1              should be their audience they are the people

 

            2              who have to pay the bills, they are the

 

            3              people that need protection, they are the

 

            4              people who when the fire alarm goes off want

 

            5              them at their house, but in the same token,

 

            6              in the same token they are also the people

 

            7              who voted for the Recovery Plan, so it is

 

            8              both a double-edged sword, and I said it

 

            9              from day one.

 

           10                      I am sorry that my figures didn't

 

           11              add up, Mr. Ancherani.  I certainly would

 

           12              love to make sure, but I have to say every

 

           13              week the figures that come out of here don't

 

           14              add up here either so it goes both sides,

 

           15              but I would love to get the administration

 

           16              again and have Stu -- we had problems, I

 

           17              felt bad especially with missing two of our

 

           18              council people wanting to have the

 

           19              administration come and talk about these

 

           20              numbers, I think it's a good thing to have

 

           21              them both here with us.  In the event that

 

           22              Mrs. Evans is still not well next week I

 

           23              would hope that we can go Mr. Renda to come

 

           24              in and straighten this out because we know

 

           25              that the unions have had a lot of


 

 

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            1              opportunities to speak and I believe it's

 

            2              his turn to just give us the hard numbers

 

            3              and then that's all there is.  We don't have

 

            4              to worry about he said, she said, he said,

 

            5              he said, we can worry about what's actual

 

            6              and factual, and that is all I have.  Thank

 

            7              you.

 

            8                      MS. GATELLI: Thank you.

 

            9              Mr. Courtright.

 

           10                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  I only have a few

 

           11              things.  Kay, if you could send something to

 

           12              Mr. Brazil for me, I think everybody knows I

 

           13              have always been a fan of these crosswalks

 

           14              signs, and they have them down at Trinity

 

           15              Church on the 300 block of --

 

           16                      MS. GATELLI:  Guess who got them?

 

           17                      MR. COURTRIGHT: You did, but the

 

           18              problem is there is no crosswalk there, all

 

           19              right?  So they need to put some kind of a

 

           20              crosswalk or lines so people know where to

 

           21              cross, they have the signs but they have no

 

           22              crosswalk, so it doesn't make much sense so

 

           23              if they could paint some kind of lines there

 

           24              for that church.

 

           25                      MS. GATELLI: The one on west got


 

 

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            1              smashed today by a truck.

 

            2                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  I saw that.  It

 

            3              might have been Mr. Spindler brought it up

 

            4              about these, what do you call those things,

 

            5              firepits where they burn in the summertime,

 

            6              we have a fire inspector that's also a

 

            7              police officer, his name is Marty Monahan,

 

            8              he happens to be a friend of mine, so maybe

 

            9              I will call him and ask him what we need to

 

           10              do in a case of Mr. Spindler wants to make a

 

           11              complaint about those -- I call them

 

           12              firepits, I don't know what else you call

 

           13              them.

 

           14                      And I'm not going to ask to send

 

           15              another letter to Mr. Brazil, Kay, because I

 

           16              saw something that happened this week, and

 

           17              I'm always complaining about Forest Glen

 

           18              Drive where you go by the driving range

 

           19              where the roads is so bad.  Going up or

 

           20              going down people always trying to avoid how

 

           21              bad it is and naturally they have to go into

 

           22              the other side.  Well, somebody was coming

 

           23              down and somebody going up the same time on

 

           24              the turn and the person coming down was

 

           25              trying to avoid the hole, so the person


 

 

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            1              going up had to go off the road.  I just

 

            2              really think something bad is going to

 

            3              happen there, a head-on, so if they can get

 

            4              up there and do something about that I would

 

            5              appreciate it.  And I offered before if they

 

            6              are not familiar with that road I will show

 

            7              them.  It's going to be -- we are going to

 

            8              have a tragedy there.  And that's all, Mrs.

 

            9              Gatelli.  Thank you.

 

           10                      MS. GATELLI: Thank you.  I just have

 

           11              a few requests of Mrs. Garvey.  They brought

 

           12              up some issues and I'd like some

 

           13              information.  I'd like to know who voted to

 

           14              borrow $72 million, who voted to sell the

 

           15              golf course, who voted to sell the DPW site

 

           16              and who voted to sell the South Side

 

           17              Complex, please.

 

           18                      I would like to thank everyone that

 

           19              helped at our cleanup last weekend in South

 

           20              Scranton, especially Steve Zayac who

 

           21              volunteered and had his trucks there from

 

           22              1-800-JUNK.  Barb Tierney, the D.A.'s,

 

           23              community service workers, Steve Kocius, Mr.

 

           24              Volienti from the Nativity confirmation

 

           25              class, and all of the other workers that


 

 

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            1              helped us.  It went very well.

 

            2                      I'd like a status of the Ice Box.

 

            3              Do you have any information, Mr. Minora?

 

            4                      MR. MINORA: I do.  I spoke to

 

            5              Mr. Greco twice and the last conversation he

 

            6              had with me was that he did not believe the

 

            7              prerequisites triggering payment had

 

            8              occurred yet.  There was one other thing he

 

            9              needed to look at, hadn't gotten back to me

 

           10              on that, but that was his recollection, two

 

           11              or three prerequisites in the agreement that

 

           12              had to occur which triggered payment.  All

 

           13              of them hadn't occurred, at least that's

 

           14              what he felt, and there was one portion of

 

           15              it that he wanted to look to and he was

 

           16              going to get back to me.  We had a

 

           17              conversation, I don't know a full answer,

 

           18              but that's as much as I know now.

 

           19                      MS. GATELLI: Does he know if we are

 

           20              entitled to the money if we are entitled to

 

           21              it in one lump sum?

 

           22                      MR. MINORA:  I believe that's how

 

           23              the agreement reads.  I actually didn't

 

           24              specifically ask him that.  I didn't read it

 

           25              for that purpose, but my recollection is


 

 

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            1              that how it reads.

 

            2                      MS. GATELLI: Thank you.  Just for

 

            3              the record, people were talking about the

 

            4              arts program and not paving city streets.

 

            5              For your information, I did report on

 

            6              April 13 that we are paving city streets.

 

            7              Funds have been allocated.  The following

 

            8              streets will be paved:  2200, 2300,

 

            9              2400 blocks of Amelia Avenue; the 400, 500

 

           10              and 600 of Race Street; Shawnee over from

 

           11              Race to Bates; 400 a nd 500 of Depot; 1,000

 

           12              of Hemlock; 800 and 900 of Adams; Vine

 

           13              Street between Penn and Mulberry behind the

 

           14              Veteran's Hospital; the 100 of Spruce; the

 

           15              11 and 12 of Swetland; the 600 of Muncy; the

 

           16              300 of Filmore; and the 500 of North Sumner.

 

           17                      Also, when the stimulus money comes,

 

           18              there will be a good chunk of that will be

 

           19              allocated for paving which is very sorely

 

           20              needed.  I would like to also find out,

 

           21              Mrs. Garvey, if we can, if Jefferson Avenue

 

           22              is a state road because that is really in

 

           23              deplorable condition.  If it's a state road

 

           24              we will write a letter if they would please

 

           25              pave it.


 

 

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            1                      We got a letter from John McGovern

 

            2              concerning the nonresident earned income tax

 

            3              the 888 and the 266 accounts that were being

 

            4              held at the tax office and we also received

 

            5              a check for $1,052,393 that was due the City

 

            6              of Scranton from those funds.  And as I

 

            7              stated before, there will be a meeting on

 

            8              Thursday concerning what is going to be the

 

            9              status of the tax office and we will bring

 

           10              you in the information concerning that are

 

           11              the next week's meeting.

 

           12                      I also want to bring up again I

 

           13              received another complaint from Mr. Lomma

 

           14              over in South Scranton and I don't know if

 

           15              he received our answer that we sent to

 

           16              Congressman Kanjorski concerning the

 

           17              railroad cars that are on that site.  If

 

           18              anyone goes by there they have been moved

 

           19              back near the street, the doors of the

 

           20              railroad cars are open, the homeless are

 

           21              living in there, they are all full of

 

           22              graffiti, and the railroad doesn't seem to

 

           23              want to do anything about it, so we did send

 

           24              it to Congressman Kanjorski.  Please send

 

           25              that letter to Mr. Lomma and maybe we can


 

 

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            1              call Congressman Kanjorski's office and

 

            2              setup a meeting after 3:00 that I can

 

            3              attend.  It is an ongoing problem, it's

 

            4              deplorable that that's being allowed in a

 

            5              neighborhood area.

 

            6                      Also, I would like Attorney Minora,

 

            7              I received a letter from Dan Penetar

 

            8              concerning the various things that we would

 

            9              like to see changed in the zoning ordinance.

 

           10              Mr. Penetar has also stated and had

 

           11              Mr. Wallace contact me concerning the

 

           12              clothing containers that are being strewn

 

           13              about the area from I think it's called

 

           14              Planet Clothing, and there is a way we would

 

           15              like to address that, also, similar to how

 

           16              we address vending machines outside of

 

           17              businesses, so I'd like to send this letter

 

           18              back to Mr. Penetar and have Attorney Minora

 

           19              and Attorney Penetar work on an ordinance so

 

           20              we could have a public hearing and possibly

 

           21              change these important issues in the zoning

 

           22              ordinance that need correction at this time.

 

           23                      And the only thing I have to say

 

           24              about the firehouse situation is that the

 

           25              agreement that I was made aware of didn't


 

 

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            1              close any firehouses, didn't close any

 

            2              engine companies and didn't layoff any

 

            3              firemen.  Now, that was the plan that I was

 

            4              told about.  If there was something else

 

            5              that was going to happen I was not privy to

 

            6              those conversations, but that is the plan

 

            7              that I had heard about and certainly would

 

            8              approve a plan of that nature.  Being from

 

            9              the neighborhoods, we don't want to close

 

           10              the firehouses, and we have fought long and

 

           11              hard for many years to keep them open, so

 

           12              that is the status of the neighborhoods and

 

           13              I don't know if any one of them that has

 

           14              contacted me that is not in favor of keeping

 

           15              their firehouse open, and that's all I have.

 

           16              Mrs. Garvey?

 

           17                      MS. GARVEY: FIFTH ORDER.  5-B. FOR

 

           18              INTRODUCTION - AN ORDINANCE - AMENDING FILE

 

           19              OF COUNCIL NO. 49, 2008, AN ORDINANCE

 

           20              "ENTITLED GENERAL CITY OPERATING BUDGET

 

           21              2009" BY TRANSFERRING $25,000.00 FROM

 

           22              ACCOUNT NO. 01.401.13090.4299 (NON

 

           23              DEPARTMENTAL OPERATING EXPENSES-CONTINGENCY)

 

           24              TO ACCOUNT NO. 01.040.00040.4190 (BUSINESS

 

           25              ADMINISTRATION  UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE) TO


 

 

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            1              PROVIDE FUNDING TO COVER QUARTERLY PAYMENTS

 

            2              TO THE DEPARTMENT OF LABOR AND INDUSTRY.

 

            3                      MS. GATELLI:  At this time I'll

 

            4              entertain a motion that Item 5-B be

 

            5              introduced into it's proper committee.

 

            6                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  So moved.

 

            7                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.

 

            8                      MS. GATELLI: On the question.  All

 

            9              those in favor.  Aye.

 

           10                      MS. FANUCCI: Aye.

 

           11                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.

 

           12                      MS. GATELLI: Opposed?  The ayes have

 

           13              it and so moved.

 

           14                      MS. GARVEY: 5-C. FOR INTRODUCTION -

 

           15              AN ORDINANCE - CREATING AND ESTABLISHING

 

           16              SPECIAL CITY ACCOUNT NO. 02.229592 ENTITLED

 

           17              "BILLY BARRETT PARK GRANTS" FOR THE RECEIPT

 

           18              AND DISBURSEMENT OF GRANT FUNDS FROM VARIOUS

 

           19              SOURCES INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO

 

           20              LACKAWANNA ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION AND

 

           21              OUTDOOR RECREATION PARTNERSHIP ("LECOR"),

 

           22              DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AND COMMUNITY

 

           23              DEVELOPMENT ("DCED") AND BOUNDLESS

 

           24              PLAYGROUND FOR RENOVATION/REHABILITATION OF

 

           25              BILLY BARRETT PARK.


 

 

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            1                      MS. GATELLI:  At this time I'll

 

            2              entertain a motion that 5-C be introduced.

 

            3                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.

 

            4                      MS. FANUCCI:  Second.

 

            5                      MS. GATELLI: On the question.  All

 

            6              those in favor?  Aye.

 

            7                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.

 

            8                      MS. FANUCCI: Aye.

 

            9                      MS. GATELLI:  Opposed?  The ayes

 

           10              have it and so moved.

 

           11                      MS. GARVEY: 5-D. FOR INTRODUCTION -

 

           12              AN ORDINANCE - CREATING AND ESTABLISHING

 

           13              SPECIAL CITY ACCOUNT NO. 02.229591 ENTITLED

 

           14              "JIMMY CONNORS PARK GRANTS" FOR THE RECEIPT

 

           15              AND DISBURSEMENT OF GRANT FUNDS FROM VARIOUS

 

           16              SOURCES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO,

 

           17              LACKAWANNA ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION AND

 

           18              OUTDOOR RECREATION PARTNERSHIP ("LECOR"),

 

           19              DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AND COMMUNITY

 

           20              DEVELOPMENT ("DCED") AND BOUNDLESS

 

           21              PLAYGROUND FOR CONNORS PARK.

 

           22                      MS. GATELLI: At this time I'll

 

           23              entertain a motion that Item 5-D be

 

           24              introduced into it's proper committee.

 

           25                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.


 

 

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            1                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.

 

            2                      MS. GATELLI: On the question.  All

 

            3              those in favor.  Aye.

 

            4                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.

 

            5                      MS. FANUCCI: Aye.

 

            6                      MS. GATELLI: Opposed?  The ayes have

 

            7              it so moved.

 

            8                      MS. GARVEY: 5-E. FOR INTRODUCTION -

 

            9              A RESOLUTION - AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND

 

           10              OTHER APPROPRIATE CITY OFFICIALS TO ACCEPT

 

           11              AND DISBURSE GRANT FUNDS THROUGH LACKAWANNA

 

           12              COUNTY FOR A LACKAWANNA ENVIRONMENTAL

 

           13              CONSERVATION AND OUTDOOR RECREATION

 

           14              PARTNERSHIP PROGRAM ("LECOR") GRANT IN THE

 

           15              AMOUNT OF $22,500.00; AND EXECUTE THE GRANT

 

           16              AGREEMENT RELATED THERETO FOR

 

           17              RENOVATION/REHABILITATION OF THE BILLY

 

           18              BARRETT PARK, 2927 COLLIERY AVENUE AND

 

           19              MCDONOUGH STREET, SCRANTON, PENNSYLVANIA.

 

           20                      MS. GATELLI: At this time I'll

 

           21              entertain a motion that Item 5-E be

 

           22              introduced.

 

           23                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.

 

           24                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.

 

           25                      MS. GATELLI: On the question?  All


 

 

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            1              those in favor.  Aye.

 

            2                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.

 

            3                      MS. FANUCCI: Aye.

 

            4                      MS. GATELLI: The ayes have it and so

 

            5              moved.

 

            6                      MS. GARVEY: 5-F. FOR INTRODUCTION -

 

            7              A RESOLUTION - AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND

 

            8              OTHER APPROPRIATE CITY OFFICIALS TO ACCEPT

 

            9              AND DISBURSE GRANT FUNDS THROUGH LACKAWANNA

 

           10              COUNTY FOR A LACKAWANNA ENVIRONMENTAL

 

           11              CONSERVATION AND OUTDOOR RECREATION

 

           12              PARTNERSHIP PROGRAM ("LECOR") GRANT IN THE

 

           13              AMOUNT OF $22,500.00; AND EXECUTE THE GRANT

 

           14              AGREEMENT RELATED THERETO FOR CONNORS PARK

 

           15              LOCATED AT 515 ORCHARD STREET, SCRANTON,

 

           16              PENNSYLVANIA.

 

           17                      MS. GATELLI: At this time I'll

 

           18              entertain a motion that Item 5-F be

 

           19              introduced.

 

           20                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.

 

           21                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.

 

           22                      MS. GATELLI: On the question?  All

 

           23              those in favor.  Aye.

 

           24                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.

 

           25                      MS. FANUCCI: Aye.


 

 

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            1                      MS. GATELLI: Opposed?  The ayes have

 

            2              it and so moved.

 

            3                      MS. GARVEY: 5-G. FOR INTRODUCTION -

 

            4              A RESOLUTION - AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND

 

            5              OTHER APPROPRIATE CITY OFFICIALS TO EXECUTE

 

            6              AND APPLY FOR A GRANT THROUGH THE PA

 

            7              DEPARTMENT OF CONSERVATION AND NATURAL

 

            8              RESOURCES (DCNR) IN THE AMOUNT OF

 

            9              $50,000.00; IF THE APPLICATION IS

 

           10              SUCCESSFUL, ACCEPTING AND DISBURSING THE

 

           11              GRANT FUNDS FOR THE RESTORATION/RENOVATION

 

           12              OF FELLOW'S PARK IN THE CITY OF SCRANTON.

 

           13                      MS. GATELLI: At this time I'll

 

           14              entertain a motion that Item 5-G be

 

           15              introduced.

 

           16                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  So moved.

 

           17                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.

 

           18                      MS. GATELLI: On the question?  I

 

           19              would just like to state again that

 

           20              Mr. Rankosky of the West Scranton

 

           21              Neighborhood Association sent a letter of

 

           22              approval for this piece of legislation.  All

 

           23              those in favor?  Aye.

 

           24                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.

 

           25                      MS. FANUCCI: AYE.


 

 

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            1                      MS. GATELLI: Opposed?  The ayes have

 

            2              it and so moved.

 

            3                      MS. GARVEY: 5-H.  FOR INTRODUCTION -

 

            4              A RESOLUTION - AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND

 

            5              OTHER APPROPRIATE CITY OFFICIALS TO EXECUTE

 

            6              AND ENTER INTO A CONTRACT WITH THE SEGAL

 

            7              COMPANY TO SERVE AS THE NATIONAL HEALTHCARE

 

            8              CONSULTANT TO THE CITY OF SCRANTON THROUGH

 

            9              THE HEALTHCARE COST CONTAINMENT COMMITTEE

 

           10              AND TO RATIFY ANY AND ALL SERVICES PERFORMED

 

           11              BY THE SEGAL COMPANY SINCE APRIL 1, 2009.

 

           12                      MS. GATELLI: At this time I'll

 

           13              entertain a motion that Item 5-H be

 

           14              introduced.

 

           15                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  So moved.

 

           16                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.

 

           17                      MS. GATELLI: On the question.  All

 

           18              those in favor.  Aye.

 

           19                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.

 

           20                      MS. FANUCCI: Aye.

 

           21                      MS. GATELLI: Opposed?  The ayes have

 

           22              it and so moved.

 

           23                      MS. GARVEY: SIXTH ORDER.  NO

 

           24              BUSINESS AT THIS TIME.  SEVENTH ORDER.  7-A.

 

           25              FOR CONSIDERATION BY THE COMMITTEE ON


 

 

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            1              FINANCE - FOR ADOPTION - FILE OF COUNCIL NO.

 

            2              62, 2009 - CREATING AND ESTABLISHING SPECIAL

 

            3              CITY ACCOUNT NO. 02.229590 ENTITLED

 

            4              "A.R.T.S. ENGAGE! GRANT" FOR THE RECEIPT AND

 

            5              DISBURSEMENT OF GRANT FUNDS FROM LACKAWANNA

 

            6              COUNTY CHILDREN AND YOUTH SERVICES AND

 

            7              DEPARTMENT OF ARTS AND CULTURE FOR THE

 

            8              DEPARTMENT OF PARKS AND RECREATION CITY OF

 

            9              SCRANTON POOL MURALS PROGRAM.

 

           10                      MS. GATELLI: As Chair for the

 

           11              Committee on Finance, I recommend final

 

           12              passage of Item 7-A.

 

           13                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.

 

           14                      MS. GATELLI: On the question?  Roll

 

           15              call.

 

           16                      MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Evans.  Mrs.

 

           17              Gatelli.

 

           18                      MS. GATELLI: Yes.

 

           19                      MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Fanucci.

 

           20                      MS. FANUCCI: Yes.

 

           21                      MR. COOLICAN: Mr. Courtright.

 

           22                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Yes.

 

           23                      MR. COOLICAN: Mr. McGoff.

 

           24                      MS. GATELLI: I hereby declare 7-A

 

           25              legally and lawfully adopted.


 

 

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            1                      MS. GARVEY: 7-B. FOR CONSIDERATION

 

            2              BY THE COMMITTEE ON FINANCE - FOR ADOPTION -

 

            3              FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 63, 2009 - AUTHORIZING

 

            4              THE MAYOR AND OTHER APPROPRIATE OFFICIALS OF

 

            5              THE CITY OF SCRANTON TO ACCEPT AND DISBURSE

 

            6              GRANT FUNDS FROM LACKAWANNA COUNTY CHILDREN

 

            7              AND YOUTH SERVICES AND DEPARTMENT OF ARTS

 

            8              AND CULTURE A.R.T.S. ENGAGE! GRANT IN THE

 

            9              AMOUNT OF $34,100.00 FOR THE CITY OF

 

           10              SCRANTON DEPARTMENT OF PARKS AND RECREATION

 

           11              POOL MURALS PROGRAM.

 

           12                      MS. GATELLI:  As Chair for the

 

           13              Committee on Finance, I recommend final

 

           14              passage of Item 7-B.

 

           15                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.

 

           16                      MS. GATELLI: On the question?  Roll

 

           17              call.

 

           18                      MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Evans.  Mrs.

 

           19              Gatelli.

 

           20                      MS. GATELLI: Yes.

 

           21                      MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Fanucci.

 

           22                      MS. FANUCCI: Yes.

 

           23                      MR. COOLICAN: Mr. Courtright.

 

           24                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Yes.

 

           25                      MR. COOLICAN: Mr. McGoff.


 

 

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            1                      MS. GATELLI: I hereby declare 7-B

 

            2              legally and lawfully adopted.

 

            3                      MS. GARVEY: 7-C.  FOR CONSIDERATION

 

            4              BY THE COMMITTEE ON COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT

 

            5              FOR ADOPTION - RESOLUTION NO. 117, 2009 -

 

            6              AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND OTHER APPROPRIATE

 

            7              CITY OFFICIALS TO EXECUTE AND ENTER INTO A

 

            8              COOPERATIVE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF

 

            9              SCRANTON, DEPARTMENT OF PARKS AND RECREATION

 

           10              ("ORGANIZATION") AND THE LACKAWANNA COUNTY

 

           11              DEPARTMENT OF ARTS AND CULTURE ("ARTS AND

 

           12              CULTURE") AND LACKAWANNA COUNTY CHILDREN AND

 

           13              YOUTH SERVICES ("LCCYS") IN FURTHERANCE OF

 

           14              THE MISSION OF THE ARTS ENGAGE! PROGRAM.

 

           15                      MS. GATELLI: What is the

 

           16              recommendation of the Chair for the

 

           17              Committee on Community Development.

 

           18                      MS. FANUCCI: As Chairperson for the

 

           19              Committee on Community Development, I

 

           20              recommend final passage of Item 7-C.

 

           21                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Second.

 

           22                      MS. GATELLI:  On the question?  Roll

 

           23              call.

 

           24                      MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Evans.  Mrs.

 

           25              Gatelli.


 

 

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            1                      MS. GATELLI: Yes.

 

            2                      MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Fanucci.

 

            3                      MS. FANUCCI: Yes.

 

            4                      MR. COOLICAN: Mr. Courtright.

 

            5                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Yes.

 

            6                      MR. COOLICAN: Mr. McGoff.

 

            7                      MS. GATELLI: I hereby declare 7-C

 

            8              legally and lawfully adopted.

 

            9                      I'd like to thank the students from

 

           10              the University, I hope you had a very

 

           11              interesting experience.  I'm sure you will

 

           12              have a lot to talk about in class tomorrow

 

           13              and if you have any reports we would like to

 

           14              read them.  Thank you very much for your

 

           15              coming and taking part in our government.

 

           16                      May I have a motion to adjourn.

 

           17                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  So moved.

 

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            5        I hereby certify that the proceedings and

 

            6   evidence are contained fully and accurately in the

 

            7   notes of testimony taken by me at the hearing of the

 

            8   above-captioned matter and that the foregoing is a true

 

            9   and correct transcript of the same to the best of my

 

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