1              SCRANTON CITY COUNCIL MEETING








            5                          HELD:




            7                  Tuesday, April 14, 2009




            9                        LOCATION:


           10                    Council Chambers


           11                 Scranton City Hall


           12              340 North Washington Avenue


           13                Scranton, Pennsylvania






































            5   (Not present)





                MS. JANET E. EVANS

            8   (Not present)


            9   MS. SHERRY FANUCCI



                MR. WILLIAM COURTRIGHT



           12   MS. KAY GARVEY, CITY CLERK






           15   MR. AMIL MINORA, SOLICITOR


























            1   (Pledge of Allegiance recited and moment of reflection


            2   observed.)


            3                      MS. GATELLI: Roll call, please?


            4                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans. Mrs.


            5              Gatelli.


            6                      MS. GATELLI:  Here.


            7                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.


            8                      MS. FANUCCI:  Here.


            9                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. Courtright.


           10                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Here.


           11                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.


           12                      MS. GATELLI: Dispense with the


           13              reading of the minutes.


           14                      MS. GARVEY: Third Order.  No


           15              business at this time.


           16                      MS. GATELLI:  Before we start with


           17              citizens' participation I just have a few


           18              announcements.  First of all, Mrs. Evans


           19              called in she wasn't feeling well, and


           20              Mr. McGoff has been hospitalized so please


           21              keep him in your prayers.  He is doing okay,


           22              it's nothing real serious, but he was


           23              hospitalized this afternoon.  And for those


           24              of you who were interested in my husband,


           25              and that is the reason I wasn't here last






            1              week, we went to New York City to have a


            2              consultation.  He was having problems with


            3              his knees and we were very successful and


            4              thank God he is feeling much better and


            5              thank you for all your thoughts, phone calls


            6              and prayers about that.


            7                      Saturday, this Saturday as a matter


            8              of fact, the 18th, there will be a Night at


            9              the Races for the West Side Invader Dugout


           10              Club.  That will be at 7:00 at the Keyser


           11              Valley Community Center.  Also, this


           12              Saturday, Scranton High School is having a


           13              Night at the Races for their football team


           14              and that will at Holy Rosary Hall on Market


           15              Street at 7:00.


           16                      On April 26, Sunday evening, there


           17              will be a Moonlight walk/run for the


           18              Children's Advocacy Center.  You may call


           19              969-7313.  It's at Nay Aug Park and it


           20              starts at 6:00 p.m.


           21                      This Saturday there will be two


           22              cleanups.  There will be one in South


           23              Scranton at the Penn Security parking lot.


           24              We will meet there at 8 a.m., and there will


           25              also be another one at Fellows Park in West






            1              Scranton on Main Avenue and that will also


            2              be starting at 8:00, so if anyone wishes to


            3              volunteer we certainly could appreciate you


            4              coming to help at either site West Scranton


            5              or South Scranton.


            6                      I would also like to tell you that I


            7              know and I mentioned, oh, probably about a


            8              month ago that there was a benefit for a


            9              gentleman by the name of Joseph Noones, and


           10              I would just like to have you keep his


           11              family in your prayers because he passed


           12              away this week, and they would like to thank


           13              you for all your contributions and your


           14              thoughts and prayers for Mr. Noones.


           15                      I'd like to also send a letter to


           16              two West Scranton students, one is Michael


           17              Genello, who is a senior, and he received


           18              the Art Wall Scholarship for his golfing


           19              skills.  He is also a top notch student in


           20              school and received a presidential


           21              scholarship to the University of Scranton.


           22              He is majoring in biology and ultimately


           23              hoping for a career in dentistry.


           24                      And also we had another student, the


           25              Sixth Annual Cane competition at the






            1              University of Scranton.  There were 15 teams


            2              from the high schools and they spent the day


            3              testing their physics knowledge.  West


            4              Scranton had two teams which placed 8th and


            5              14th in the team competition, but one of the


            6              students, Michael Bartilotti that took first


            7              place in the individual competition and he


            8              received a plaque and $2,000 scholarship to


            9              the University of Scranton.


           10                      And the last think I have, I don't


           11              know how we can check into this, but I know


           12              everybody has been talking about the bins


           13              that they have at various locations for


           14              clothing, and when I was reading the


           15              Electric City News I found it advertisement


           16              in there encouraging churches and other


           17              organizations to put these bins up.  If you


           18              place our clothing collection boxes at your


           19              location you can be paid $500 a year with


           20              $200 up front to be paid per pound for what


           21              the box collects and it's called recycling


           22              for Pennsylvania Incorporated, 2000 Roseanna


           23              Avenue, 18509, so I'm going to ask Kay to


           24              please inquire about this.  I know we talked


           25              about it before, they don't need permits or






            1              anything, but if there are too many


            2              sprinkled throughout the community I


            3              certainly don't think it's an asset and it's


            4              certainly not helping the Salvation Army at


            5              all to have these located sporadically


            6              throughout our city.  Some of them have


            7              graffiti on them and I really would like to


            8              check with zoning, etcetera, to see if these


            9              are legitimate because now they are


           10              advertising for groups to be paid to put


           11              them in their location, and that's all I


           12              have.  Anything?  The first speaker is Andy


           13              Sbaraglia.


           14                      MR. SBARAGLIA: Andy Sbaraglia.


           15              Citizen of Scranton, fellow Scrantonians.  I


           16              believe them boxes were put in by somebody


           17              for profit.  That's a box for profit.  I


           18              think I would point out many times and I


           19              think there is a little article I think from


           20              the Salvation Army saying that, you know,


           21              they do the clothes and try to recycle them


           22              by these people just sell them and sell them


           23              away or rags or something.


           24                      Okay.  Usually I talk on agenda


           25              items because that's more pertinent, but in






            1              Sunday's paper I read an article about the


            2              Times, I guess it was on the editorial page


            3              attacking Mr. Bolus.  Mr. Bolus did not


            4              bring the Genesis Center to Nay Aug. That


            5              was done by our mayor, Mayor Doherty brought


            6              them.  All Mr. Bolus tried to do was make it


            7              better for them up it at the Genesis Center.


            8              Now, why they attacked him like that I have


            9              no idea.  I realize he -- I realize you


           10              might not be able to be elected mayor,


           11              everyone knows that, but to attack him on an


           12              issue that is really about animals.  That I


           13              don't understand.


           14                      Now, we all know that our zoo is not


           15              up to standard.  That's been told many, many


           16              years ago, that's why we closed it, but that


           17              Miss -- I guess her name is Miss Miller or


           18              Mrs. Miller tried to do something up there


           19              and the mayor invited her to the city, and


           20              not only that, I guess he was given her


           21              maintenance free, heat free, and I think


           22              50,000 if she got it all.


           23                      I did find out that she paid her own


           24              liability insurance, so the city wasn't in


           25              on that, but the thing is the animals.  All






            1              Mr. Bolus did was try to help that lady and


            2              to be attacked for trying to help somebody


            3              or help animals, as you know, it's going


            4              into litigation now.  It is snowballing and


            5              some lawyer I guess got up there and ordered


            6              them not to transfer them animals or sell


            7              any and so on and forth and so they got an


            8              injunction I guess, but the basic problem is


            9              the zoo itself.


           10                      Now, we spent a fortune for somebody


           11              to get up there and say you need a new zoo


           12              and it's going to cost $16 million and cost


           13              something like $500,000 to take care of it


           14              and so far any idiot could have done that.


           15              Why they had to spend the money to do that


           16              is beyond me.  They could have actually


           17              taken that money and did some work on that


           18              zoo and that would have been a better use


           19              for it than sit out there an engineer it out


           20              for something you never could afford to do,


           21              but would do a lot of that.  We seem to like


           22              to engineer things out for things that can't


           23              be done.  I always said I will dig about 30


           24              million and build a dam from East to West


           25              Mountain to produce hydroelectric power, of






            1              course, with Penn Valley, but, hey, it's


            2              something now because they come up with


            3              these plans that are the same things that --


            4              pie in the sky.  They got to.  We are a


            5              declining city and it may take 20 years


            6              before we even come back up, if we can, but


            7              we are in decline now so you try to lift the


            8              burden to bring more people in.  You don't


            9              try to increase the debt and force more


           10              people out and that's what's happening.


           11                      Our taxes are highest in the area


           12              and you know the people won't come in here


           13              unless they can get a KOZ.  They are always


           14              telling you we are not going to do nothing


           15              in the city unless we get a KOZ.  Bishop


           16              Hannon is sitting there, something got to be


           17              done with that, eventually it will done with


           18              it, maybe that will turn into an office


           19              building.  It's hard to say it's made for a


           20              good place for offices, but now we are going


           21              to -- our good Chamber of Commerce wants to


           22              build another office complex and they are


           23              looking for another KOZ and you all know


           24              that the KOZ's the only person that making


           25              the benefit out of KOZ are the people that






            1              get the KOZ, and you all know what happened


            2              when we were trying to get out there and


            3              check and see if they were doing what they


            4              were supposed to do and we got the guy --


            5              the guy comes overseas to tell us, well,


            6              once you got the KOZ we don't do nothing,


            7              but I know they are trying to -- they send


            8              letters in, they are supposed to send


            9              letters in anyway saying they are compliant.


           10              Okay.  I thank you.


           11                      MS. GATELLI: Lee Morgan.


           12                      MR. MORGAN: Good evening, Council.


           13              I'm going to probably -- won't need all of


           14              my five minutes tonight thankfully, but what


           15              I would like to say is, you know, if the


           16              wildlife sanctuary goes I just think that it


           17              proves that there is really a very serious


           18              leadership problem in this city and with


           19              this being an election year I just think


           20              that people need to pay attention to who


           21              they elect because everybody has made a ton


           22              of promises and to live in a city and to


           23              continually have promises made to you, and


           24              some of it touches to some of the things


           25              Andy said about, you know, the people just






            1              fleeing the city and the decline we are in.


            2              It's massive.  The decline is just really


            3              unbelievable and then we are presented all


            4              of these studies like the zoo.  I think


            5              there were two studies done on the new zoo


            6              at Nay Aug.  There is tons of money bailed


            7              to all of the special interests in the city,


            8              all right, and you say to this Mrs. Miller,


            9              "Come on in here we have new vision for the


           10              city."


           11                      We spend all of that money for the


           12              landscaping at the park, we did all of these


           13              other projects.  The county I believe spent


           14              $300,000 for the Performing Arts Center that


           15              was up there and I don't know where tat went


           16              when they ripped it down and now we are


           17              going to put gorillas in there, and I'm just


           18              curious to if this lady leaves Nay Aug Park


           19              and leaves the sanctuary after we have


           20              invited her here and then we have Beatrice


           21              Heveran who alleged has something to do with


           22              this who is also an attorney and I'm just


           23              occur us what are we going to think when all


           24              of this goes down and we found out that she


           25              is going to have a project there next?






            1              That's troubling thing I have, okay?


            2                      I mean, this is in my opinion had to


            3              be some kind of -- there must be another


            4              vision for that center, but the mayor didn't


            5              come here and tell us that.  I don't want to


            6              throw the mayor's name into this, but he is


            7              the chief executive and this was his vision


            8              in the beginning, all of this money spent


            9              there and now they have litigation in the


           10              Courts and now it's come to this point and


           11              my point here is what are we going to do


           12              with that building now?  There has to be


           13              another plan for it?  Are we going to leave


           14              it vacant like it was before?  I don't


           15              understand.  Why do we do these studies.


           16              Why do we spend this money for studies.


           17                      MS. GATELLI:  From what I understand


           18              the case in the Court today --


           19                      MR. MORGAN: Yes.


           20                      MS. GATELLI: Mrs. Miller agreed to


           21              leave and she is going to leave.


           22                      MR. MORGAN: Well, I'm aware of that


           23              to a degree, but my point is why did it come


           24              to this?  Didn't the council in the budget


           25              give that center operating funds in this






            1              year's budget?


            2                      MS. GATELLI:  I don't believe it was


            3              the city at all that was after Mrs. Miller


            4              if you want to say -- it was some of the


            5              animal rights people that --


            6                      MR. MORGAN: I disagree with that.


            7                      MS. GATELLI: The Scranton Times is


            8              the one --


            9                      MR. MORGAN: I think the Scranton


           10              Times has absolutely nothing to do with it


           11              and I think, Mrs. Gatelli, with all due


           12              respect to you, and I'm not trying to demean


           13              you in any way, you have taken very


           14              unpopular positions here in previous times,


           15              and I know this is an election year and I


           16              don't really care to go through them at the


           17              podium, but I really think you are


           18              misinformed, respectfully I'm telling you


           19              that.  I think you are misinformed.


           20                      MS. GATELLI: Well, I think you need


           21              to read the article.


           22                      MR. MORGAN: Well, I'm not interested


           23              in the article the Scranton Times writes, my


           24              point is this, was this the mayor's vision?


           25                      MS. GATELLI: Well, go to the Court






            1              and get the transcript.


            2                      MR. MORGAN: Wait.  You know what,


            3              that may be a necessity later.


            4                      MS. GATELLI:  The city was not


            5              involved in the litigation.


            6                      MR. MORGAN: They may not have been,


            7              but you know what, when the mayor had you


            8              throw us out of council he was still down in


            9              his office, okay, so what's that have to do


           10              with anything?


           11                      MS. FANUCCI: I don't know.


           12                      MS. GATELLI: I don't know.


           13                      MR. MORGAN: Well, that's the point


           14              here, you don't know, and I'm glad you said


           15              that, and the problem here is that the mayor


           16              and other people manipulate other people to


           17              do things and then they all stand back and


           18              say they had nothing to do with it, but my


           19              point is this, the mayor spent all of these


           20              millions of dollars in the park.  He brought


           21              her here.  Didn't the council grant her


           22              $50,000 in the budget?


           23                      MS. GATELLI:  Yes, we did.


           24                      MR. MORGAN: Did we do multiple


           25              studies up there about a new zoo?






            1                      MS. GATELLI: Yes, we did.


            2                      MR. MORGAN: Okay, I rest my point --


            3              my case.  Thank you.


            4                      MS. GATELLI: And we were not


            5              involved in the litigation.  Mr. Miller.


            6                      MR. MILLER: Good evening, Council.


            7              Doug Miller, Scranton.  You know, last week


            8              we heard a presentation on Genesis and, of


            9              course, it's already been brought up this


           10              evening.  I really hope council is taking a


           11              good hard look at this issue because it


           12              seems likes, once again, we are allowing


           13              someone who, quite frankly, isn't even from


           14              this area deciding just to come in here and


           15              dictate on the situation, someone who I


           16              still would like to know her qualifications.


           17              She made comments in the paper and, quite


           18              frankly, it's just another example of a


           19              bully coming in and trying to bully another


           20              person to get her way.


           21                      You know, I have been criticized as


           22              well as other people who supported Genesis


           23              in the editorial section and we have been


           24              criticized because we are only raising this


           25              issue because we are looking for attention.






            1              Well, that's totally inaccurate.  I was here


            2              last week speaking on behalf in support of


            3              Genesis because I felt it was time someone


            4              defended these animals whose lives were on


            5              the line and the many volunteers who have


            6              spent the last six or seven years donating


            7              their time to these animals in the community


            8              and now, like I said, we want to bully them


            9              and that's what we do in this city.  When


           10              certain people don't get their way we


           11              continue to bully until they finally get


           12              their way and that looks like what's


           13              happening here.


           14                      And as far as the city not being


           15              involved, I think it's quite obvious that


           16              they were involved.  This council approved


           17              $50,000 funding, we looked into a study, and


           18              there are certain people in this


           19              administration who are involved, so the city


           20              is involved and we know what's going on.  We


           21              are not stupid.  We know that there is a


           22              plan involved here, this Heveran or whatever


           23              her name is, this know it all who came in


           24              here and trying to bully.  We know there's


           25              another plan.






            1                      MS. FANUCCI: Doug, can I ask you


            2              what the plan is because we are not informed


            3              of, so if you know there is a plan I'd like


            4              to know what it is now since you already


            5              know.


            6                      MR. MILLER: No, no, no.  There is


            7              no specific plan, but we have reason to


            8              believe that --


            9                      MS. FANUCCI:  Oh, I thought you said


           10              there was a plan and we weren't aware of one


           11              so -- -


           12                      MR. MILLER:  We have reason to


           13              believe that there may be a plan.


           14                      MS. FANUCCI: So hypothetically


           15              there's a plan.


           16                      MR. MILLER:  Hypothetic, yeah, that


           17              this is why this is going on.


           18                      MS FANUCCI: Okay.  I see that's why


           19              you are saying.


           20                      MR. MILLER:  And that this Mrs.


           21              Heveran is involved and that's what we


           22              really believe is going on here, and it's


           23              ashame because Mrs. Miller has -- was


           24              invited here by the city and, you know, now


           25              we want to kick her and out and I really






            1              don't understand and that's what really


            2              makes us believe that there is an


            3              alternative plan for this and that this Mrs.


            4              Heveran is involved in it and it's pretty


            5              sad.


            6                      Moving on, for the last few weeks I


            7              have been bringing up the $5.5 million from


            8              the Single Tax Office and I know I sound


            9              like a broken record and people are probably


           10              sick of me bringing it up, but it's


           11              important because this goes back to our


           12              budget where we had a hole in the budget but


           13              we went and plugged this money in, and I'd


           14              still like to know what our plan is going to


           15              be and I'm hopeful council will make a


           16              decision soon.


           17                      And, you know, while we are on that


           18              subject in the past I have brought up


           19              creating an impact fee on KOZ's and


           20              nonprofits and wouldn't this be a perfect


           21              time to try and generate some revenue when


           22              we are having a hard time balancing the


           23              budget.  When is council going to look into


           24              grant money for the neighborhoods.  I


           25              brought this up in the past to look in the






            1              programs to install curbs, sidewalks and


            2              street lights.  You know, these are the


            3              issues that are important to taxpayers in


            4              the city.  I have raised these issues


            5              several times and then just seem to have


            6              fallen on deaf ears and I'm hopeful council


            7              will, you know, take action and really take


            8              a look at this Genesis thing here, let me go


            9              back to that because it's really important


           10              and I just would hate to see someone get


           11              bullied out of town because that just seems


           12              to be the case here in Scranton.  Thank you.


           13                      MS. GATELLI: Mrs. Gawel.


           14                      MS. GAWEL:  Hi, Council.  How are


           15              you.  The Right-to-Know, it's about time, we


           16              knew that.  It simply means that we, the


           17              people, the citizens who work and pay the


           18              taxes and vote have a right to ask questions


           19              and receive answers.  Like the First


           20              Amendment, the freedom of speech, the


           21              Right-to-Know gives us the rights as


           22              citizens to hold politicians we elect


           23              accountable for not furnishing information


           24              when requested.  It's more than obvious that


           25              the don't tell, the mismanagement, the no






            1              management at all and the let's sweep it


            2              under the rug is here.  We very rarely get


            3              answers even when you people are asking.


            4                      Time and time again speakers have


            5              come to the podium asking questions and


            6              receiving absolutely no answers.  One of the


            7              things is when Councilwoman Evans was


            8              Finance Chairperson for two years ago or so


            9              entertained a motion that all city agencies


           10              required -- be required to report their


           11              functions and duties to city council


           12              annually.  It's a common sense thing and a


           13              good way to oversee things and had we maybe


           14              done that we wouldn't maybe have as bad as


           15              tax issues as we have.


           16                      The example, of course, is prior to


           17              finding the big bucks in Dunmore that


           18              council was informed by tax office employees


           19              the tax collector doesn't come to work.  If


           20              you don't come to work you can't collect


           21              taxes and instead you just hand them right


           22              off to NCC and they are getting the money


           23              and we are not.  We are losing so much money


           24              with NCC it's embarrassing.  We could be out


           25              of debt probably and that's what Mr. Doherty






            1              said, you know?


            2                      Okay, new subject.  A couple of


            3              weeks ago when I was here I ran out of time.


            4              I wanted to comment on the letter that you


            5              two ladies had written to the Times.  I was


            6              thrilled to see that you were actually


            7              siding -- not siding, but standing with Mrs.


            8              Evans and I was -- and I hope you understand


            9              that Scranton is still about 30 years behind


           10              when it comes to politics and maybe you


           11              should, you know, like maybe now you can see


           12              that you really need to work together and


           13              try and compromise, and that's all three of


           14              yous, you know, I'm not blaming it all on


           15              you and maybe you can knock the boy's socks


           16              off because I had such hopes for you girls


           17              when you got in and I --


           18                      MS. GATELLI:  There were two other


           19              women also and one is a minority, you know,


           20              and she was totally neglected.


           21                      MS. GAWEL:  So, you know, I mean, I


           22              know all of you were neglected, but I


           23              just specifically you three I hope would


           24              work better together and, you know, maybe we


           25              could get these guys to realize we women






            1              really aren't dumb.  We are really quite


            2              intelligence and have can be quite, you


            3              know, bright and come up with our own ideas


            4              for things.


            5                      MS. GATELLI: Excuse me, Officer,


            6              could you go out in the hall, please?  There


            7              seems to be something going on.


            8                      MS. GAWEL: Okay, I would like to


            9              know --


           10                      MS. GATELLI: I'm sorry, Mrs. Gawel.


           11                      MS. GAWEL: That's okay.


           12                      MR. JACKOWITZ: It's Phyllis.


           13                      MS. GAWEL: I would like to know when


           14              any one on council is going to ask our, and


           15              I do use the term loosely, our safety


           16              director when we will be getting safety


           17              equipment for the police cars we used to


           18              have.  I'm embarrassed by the lack of


           19              concern by the mayor and this


           20              administration.  They absolutely do not care


           21              for the safety and welfare of the citizens


           22              of Scranton.  I hope no one fell for "I'm


           23              not closing firehouses or engine companies."


           24                      Please, it's an election year.  We


           25              are not that my névé.  Thank you.






            1                      MS. GATELLI: Mr. Spindler.


            2                      MR. SPINDLER: Good evening, Council,


            3              Les Spindler, city resident and taxpayer and


            4              homeowner.  In Sunday's Doherty newsletter


            5              there was a big article about the tax


            6              office.  I can't read the whole article, but


            7              there was something that really bothered me


            8              that jumped out at me.  It's a quote from


            9              the solicitor, Mr. McGovern, and this is


           10              quoting him, "This information would be


           11              included in an audit, but pardon my language


           12              nobody asked for a frickin audit for so many


           13              years."


           14                      Now, is that language for a


           15              solicitor to sue when he is quoted in the


           16              paper as saying that?  That's totally


           17              ridiculous.  I mean, first we have the tax


           18              collector coming here and saying it's none


           19              of your business to a question from a


           20              council person and then we have this guy


           21              talking like this.  This is the people we


           22              have running our tax office?  No wonder we


           23              have tax bills being sent to dead people.


           24              This is a totally uncalled for.


           25                      Moving on, I, too, have to talk






            1              about the wildlife center and Chris Doherty


            2              is the one that solicited Mrs. Miller.


            3              Mrs. Miller didn't come to the city to come


            4              to Nay Aug Park and Chris Doherty doesn't


            5              $50,000 to give to the wildlife center where


            6              he spent millions and millions over the


            7              years and I have a list here.  We spent


            8              $700,000 on a green fish pond.  $110,000 to


            9              renovate a greenhouse which was later torn


           10              down and we are building a new one.


           11              $750,000 for the Davis trail.  $450,000 to


           12              plant grass in Nay Aug.  A $300,000 dog park


           13              plus millions spent on crony hires and


           14              raises and he doesn't have $50,000 for a


           15              wildlife center.  Something is definitely


           16              wrong here.


           17                      And moving on, the same thing, in


           18              Sunday's Doherty newsletter Chris Kelly


           19              wrote a letter, I mean, not a letter an


           20              article about the wildlife center, and Bob


           21              Bolus was only here defending the wildlife


           22              center last week wanting to make sure these


           23              animals weren't euthanized and Chris Kelly I


           24              thought took a terrible shot at Bob Bolus,


           25              and I will read the quote from the paper.






            1              Chris Kelly called Mr. Bolus a convicted


            2              felon and serial mayoral candidate.  I think


            3              that's terrible.  That had nothing to do


            4              with the article itself.  I think Chris


            5              Kelly should be fired from the


            6              Times-Tribune.  All Mr. Bolus was doing here


            7              is defending a wildlife center and this guy


            8              is calling him names like this?  It's


            9              totally outrageous.  It just shows the type


           10              of journalism that's in the Doherty


           11              newsletter.


           12                      Moving on, at last week's school


           13              board meeting, school director Phillips


           14              brought up about the University of Scranton


           15              has bought 152 properties -- I'm sorry, 154


           16              properties since 1952 and it's cost the city


           17              $20 million in revenue.  Since the year 2000


           18              they have bought 75 properties costing the


           19              school district $26 million, and the


           20              University gives next to nothing to the


           21              city, and most of these 75 properties were


           22              done under the Doherty administration, also.


           23                      Moving on, Mrs. Evans isn't here, I


           24              guess, the streets need line paving, but


           25              I'll wait until next time.  In the paper






            1              yesterday and I saw walking by that the


            2              Country Club Men's Shop is closing downtown.


            3              That's one of the businesses Mr. Williams


            4              said was part of our booming downtown a few


            5              weeks ago.  On that same subject, the owner


            6              of the Country Club Men's Shop, Tom Kelly


            7              said, the area hasn't grown in the last


            8              20 years.  Well, I have been coming to those


            9              council meeting for seven years now and we


           10              have been saying that all this time, but


           11              Chris Doherty seems to think this town is


           12              booming, and this is a man who has the


           13              business in the city for 26 years and he is


           14              saying that this area hasn't grown in


           15              20 years, so who is right.


           16                      And lastly, I brought this up quite


           17              awhile ago and didn't get an answer, in 2005


           18              Governor Rendell came and gave Chris Doherty


           19              a check for $4.2 million for the North


           20              Scranton Junior High School project.  Does


           21              anyone know what happened that to money?


           22                      MS. GATELLI: I do know that


           23              Mrs. Aebli is working with the budget


           24              department, with the federal government


           25              concerning that project.  I don't know all






            1              of the details, but I know that there were


            2              some glitches in the project.


            3                      MR. SPINDLER: Well, that's why, I


            4              asked a few week ago could we get Mr. Langan


            5              here possibly for a caucus and ask him these


            6              questions.


            7                      MS. GATELLI: He did respond.  I


            8              don't have the letter with me tonight.


            9                      MS. FANUCCI:  Les, I don't think you


           10              were here that week.


           11                      MS. GATELLI: Yeah, he did send a


           12              response and addressed each issue, we will


           13              get you a copy of it.


           14                      MR. SPINDLER: I don't know make if I


           15              can make it here next week, but I'd


           16              appreciate.


           17                      MS. GATELLI: Well, maybe Neil can go


           18              and look for it.


           19                      MR. SPINDLER: I'd appreciate if you


           20              could find out where the money --


           21                      MS. FANUCCI: Les, last week --


           22                      MR. SPINDLER:  I just hope that


           23              money didn't end up in somebody's pocket,


           24              that's all.  Thank you.


           25                      THE COURT:  We will give you the






            1              report, Mr. Spindler.  Can you wait a few


            2              minutes?  He will go and look for it.  Mr.


            3              Quinn.


            4                      MR. QUINN:  Thank you.  Ozzie Quinn,


            5              president of the Scranton/Lackawanna


            6              Taxpayers' and Citizens' Association.  I


            7              read -- recently it was announced by the


            8              Chamber of Commerce that there was a venture


            9              capital for new businesses that would come


           10              into the area and for job creation force,


           11              you know, and working in economic


           12              development at one time for the Northeastern


           13              Pennsylvania Alliance Corp, there is two


           14              components -- there is two components to


           15              economic development, it's job creation and


           16              job retention, and job retention is a


           17              hands-on type of situation where actually


           18              you should be able to contact the business


           19              owner to see what problems may exist.  We


           20              see so many businesses closing nowadays not


           21              only just now during this recession, but


           22              because of the fact that there has been no


           23              one, no one out there trying to help these


           24              businesses, you know?  They might have


           25              problems with parking, zoning.  They might






            1              have problems with capital and I would like


            2              to see if the city council would consider


            3              letting the chamber know that it should get


            4              more involved in business retention, not


            5              just new business, okay?  It's pretty tough


            6              to snag a new business now a days and we


            7              have to hang onto what we got.


            8                      I want to ask something and,


            9              Mr. Courtright, you are running for the tax


           10              collector, all right?  The county pays


           11              annually $80,000 for nonwage expenses for


           12              furniture, office splice and equipment and


           13              the city is supposed to pay for work


           14              benefits and wages.  However, the city has


           15              paid -- has been paying $100,000 in addition


           16              to nonwages or benefits.  Now, to me is this


           17              in a budget, I mean, what's the


           18              accountability here?  How does it happen?  I


           19              mean, I don't want to put you on the spot,


           20              but I would like to see you look into that,


           21              please.


           22                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  I'll do my best.


           23                      MR. QUINN: You know what I mean and


           24              try to find out --


           25                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I don't think they






            1              are going to be too cooperative with me over


            2              there, but I'll ask.


            3                      MR. QUINN: Yeah, because, I mean, if


            4              we are spending a hundred --


            5                      MS. GATELLI:  I don't think it's


            6              just you, Bill.


            7                      MS. FANUCCI:  No, I don't either.


            8                      MR. QUINN:  Because besides the


            9              raises and the benefits if we're giving them


           10              another $100,000 that's a lot of money, you


           11              know?


           12                      MS. GATELLI: I think the district


           13              pays half, too.


           14                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Yeah, the school


           15              district pays half.


           16                      MR. QUINN:  The school district pays


           17              $100,000 and the city pays $100,000, and I'm


           18              very much concerned about, you know, what --


           19                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  The article said


           20              they didn't even know and they are there.


           21              Didn't the article say they didn't know


           22              about it?  I read the article.


           23                      MR. QUINN:  I don't know what the --


           24              nobody knows where the money is going -- why


           25              the money is there for.  That's what I'm






            1              trying to find out, the accountability.  The


            2              business agent, the business manager, a


            3              business administrator didn't know.


            4                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Maybe we can ask Kay


            5              as a council if we could ask that question


            6              because I think it would be have a little


            7              bit more weight and meat than myself asking


            8              that.


            9                      MR. QUINN:  Okay.  That's we have --


           10              like 100 -- again $170 million in debt, no


           11              way -- any way you slice the pie, okay, and


           12              you know -- you know, we see these Nay Aug


           13              we see with the Wildlife Genesis, okay, and


           14              the -- I don't know, I feel sad because of


           15              the fact that, you know, when you -- when


           16              you look at the letters to the editors and


           17              whatnot most of these letters are coming


           18              from outside of the city, you know, and we


           19              are paying taxpayers' money, city money,


           20              taxpayers' money, not only taxpayers'


           21              grants, which is taxpayers' money, and the


           22              kids have to pay to swim up there why


           23              anybody else can go into the park free.


           24              They can go into there and go to the Genesis


           25              -- Wildlife Genesis, picnic and whatever,






            1              okay, and I don't think that these children


            2              should be -- have to pay up there especially


            3              from the Hill Section because that was their


            4              pool for so many years.


            5                      You know, we might have -- we should


            6              start to consider as some income trying to


            7              charge some kind of a fee to get into the


            8              park because it's a ridiculous, you know,


            9              that what we are doing here by charging


           10              these kids and everyone else from outside


           11              the region roam around in there.  Thank you.


           12                      MS. GATELLI:  Thank you, Mr. Quinn.


           13              Mr. Jackowitz.


           14                      MR. JACKOWITZ: Good evening madame


           15              acting president, city council members.


           16              Bill Jackowitz, South Scranton resident,


           17              member of the Taxpayers' Association, all


           18              taxes paid in full, two parking tickets paid


           19              within 24 hours of issuance.  Bionic,


           20              Akerman, believe it or not I care.


           21                      At least week's meeting it was nice


           22              to hear that Sarena O'Malley's problem with


           23              her land on Maple Street was finally


           24              resolved.  My question is why did it take


           25              15 years, two administrations, Mayor Connors






            1              and Mayor Doherty?  I realize that 2009 is


            2              an election year and that Mayor Doherty and


            3              Councilwoman are running for reelections,


            4              and again, everything that I say, please,


            5              don't take it personal because I'm not


            6              personally attacking anybody we just


            7              disagree politically on just about


            8              everything.


            9                      MS. FANUCCI: I agree with you, Bill.


           10                      MR. JACKOWITZ: Some will support


           11              Mayor Doherty and Councilwoman Gatelli, some


           12              will not.  It's as simple as that.  Just


           13              because you do not support these incumbent


           14              elected officials does not make you a hater.


           15              Anybody read the letter to the editor


           16              yesterday we are haters.  I don't hate


           17              anybody.  I disagree.  Okay, I believe in


           18              fair and honest and open --


           19                      MS. GATELLI:  You even offered to


           20              take me for ham and eggs.


           21                      MR. JACKOWITZ: Yes, I did.  I also


           22              offered to take you out on the town late at


           23              night and you said you were in bed at 9:00


           24              every night.


           25                      MS. GATELLI:  I told you Joe






            1              wouldn't like that.


            2                      MR. JACKOWITZ: I know but anyway --


            3              Amil, I'd like to have my stop time here.


            4                      MS. GATELLI: At least we can have a


            5              conversation.


            6                      MR. JACKOWITZ:  I do not feel that


            7              Scranton has had that type of government


            8              possibly in the entire history of the City


            9              of Scranton, that's fair honest and open,


           10              okay?  If Sarena was harassed at Scranton


           11              city council like she says in her letter by


           12              the Legion of Doom I would like for Sarena


           13              to contact me at phone number 878-6760.


           14              That's 878-6760.


           15                      First and foremost, there is no such


           16              organization as the Legion of Doom.  I would


           17              know since I am the one who started wearing


           18              the Legion of Doom shirt and sold over 14


           19              dozen of these shirts to Scranton residents.


           20              I stopped selling shirts about three years


           21              ago, although, I am still getting requests


           22              for the shirt.  Legion of Doom, only a


           23              t-shirt.  Although, I do not appreciate --


           24              excuse me, although I do appreciate the free


           25              publicity that my idea and joke still gets.






            1              WILK radio uses Legion of Doom as a lead in


            2              into the early morning show, editorials,


            3              letters to the editor, all because of a


            4              T-shirt and a joke.  Average age of T-shirt


            5              buyer is approximately 61 years old.  Mostly


            6              retired and lifelong residents of Scranton.


            7                      The Single Tax Office breaks tax


            8              law.  I quote, "We have had no idea where


            9              money goes to, Mr. Stu Renda, Scranton


           10              business administrator."


           11                      By the way, Mr. Renda gets paid


           12              $8,500 a year of taxpayers' money to have no


           13              idea where tax money goes to.  Consultant


           14              fees for computer system cost $220,000 for


           15              what?  The excuse being used is that no one


           16              who worked in the tax office knows how to


           17              use the computer system, so my question is


           18              what were they consulted on?  According to


           19              the Times-Tribune the tax office was using


           20              taxpayers' money to pay themselves, hire


           21              attorneys that are not needed, purchase


           22              Mickey Mouse mousepads for the computers


           23              that nobody new how to use properly.


           24              Purchased mini-blinds, poinsettias, blank


           25              CD's, DVD's and optical drives.  A party at






            1              the Stadium Club, office pays.  Air purifier


            2              and surveillance camera to watch the workers


            3              in the Single Tax Office.  I sure hope they


            4              were watching the elected tax collector,


            5              also.  Oh, I forgot, he was very rarely in


            6              his office.


            7                      Admittedly, laws have been broken,


            8              Single Tax Law 1929, the bottom line state


            9              law was violated when the tax collector, Ken


           10              McDowell, combined 17 or so accounts into


           11              one account.  This is a violation of state


           12              law and a fact that can be proven.  Again,


           13              Single Tax Law 1929.  The rest, just a


           14              newspaper story.  District Attorney,


           15              Council, State Representatives Smith,


           16              Murphy, county commissioners, school board,


           17              do your job, no selective enforcement.


           18              Contact the State Attorney General and start


           19              an investigation immediately.


           20                      My opinion, the county controllers


           21              past and present are also responsible for


           22              this debacle at the Single Tax Office.


           23              Where were the city controllers, business


           24              administrator, mayor, city council, county


           25              commissioners, school board, district






            1              attorney and county controllers during this


            2              period of time when the Single Tax Office


            3              was running amuck.  Can I finish?


            4                      Councilwoman Evans, Councilman


            5              Courtright and Legion of Doom public


            6              speakers were here at city council meetings


            7              requesting that someone look into the single


            8              tax office.  We were called names such as


            9              Legion of Doom.  That is how the name came


           10              about, just imagine if the city control,


           11              business administrator, mayor, city council,


           12              county commissioner, district attorney and


           13              county controller and newspaper would have


           14              listened.  Possibly the problem would have


           15              been discovered three years ago, more than


           16              likely it would have been resolved by now


           17              and the City of Scranton would be a better


           18              place to work, live and play.


           19                      Remember, speakers have been


           20              arrested, cameras have been removed and


           21              speakers searched, wand and made to stand


           22              outside in the cold and public television


           23              provider has been changed by the mayor and


           24              three city council members.  Who gave the


           25              order?  We never did find that out.  So,






            1              again, I want to someone to check in this.


            2              A law was violated, a law was broken, and


            3              it's a state law and district attorney and


            4              the State Attorney General should be looking


            5              into this matter.  We have a lot of money


            6              that is missing.


            7                      MS. GATELLI: Thank you.  Mr. Dobson.


            8                      MR. DOBSON: Good evening, Council.


            9              Dave Dobson, resident of Scranton, member of


           10              the Taxpayers' Association.  On these


           11              studies, you know, the thought occurred to


           12              me that publically funded -- they are


           13              publically funded and they're feasibility


           14              studies basically and unless somebody


           15              screaming at public officials not to do


           16              something in a certain way and he goes ahead


           17              and does it anyway, maybe some of these


           18              people should give us a refund, you know,


           19              for their bum studies.


           20                      And on this tax office business, one


           21              thing that I seem to -- and I'm not entirely


           22              certain of, I seem to be seeing here do we


           23              still have a single account for every dollar


           24              that's flowing in there?  I mean, that's


           25              being blamed for the problem and as far as I






            1              can see we have a single -- we have a single


            2              account to this day still which that should


            3              have been changed as soon as it was taken


            4              over and they realized there was a problem.


            5              I mean, how many months has it been now?


            6                      MS. FANUCCI: They said they had a


            7              single account in the beginning, but then


            8              when we got our report they had it all


            9              itemized in different accounts where the


           10              money was, so obviously that was not the


           11              issue.  It seems that -- it seems that they


           12              weren't even aware that there really wasn't


           13              a single account because when we got it all


           14              it says all different accounts and where the


           15              money was coming, so I'm not sure they even


           16              know, to be honest with you.  Even after all


           17              is said and done I don't think anyone is


           18              anymore enlightened than they were.


           19                      MR. DOBSON:  No. Bill, I hope if you


           20              make it you've got a good accounting


           21              background, Buddy, you are going to need it.


           22                      And another thing on this employer


           23              deducting taxes and not turning them over, I


           24              mean, is somebody going to wind up -- some


           25              poor citizen taxpayer turned over to NCC and






            1              be brutalized in that respect and have all


            2              kinds of fines and penalties.  It would be


            3              interesting to find out who is liable for


            4              unpaid taxes that have been deducted because


            5              from what I understand in the case of the


            6              federal government if your employer deducts


            7              taxes and doesn't turn them over you are the


            8              one responsible for it.  So, you know, you


            9              are liable to have a bunch of people making


           10              offers that somebody can't refuse because


           11              that's what I probably would be guilty of if


           12              somebody did that to me.


           13                      On that trash issue last week the


           14              man has to thank the DPW for the prompt


           15              concern on it, but I'd like to make a


           16              comment on that and it involves the


           17              people -- there is some people around town,


           18              you know, walking out on Tuesday and tossing


           19              the bag on the back of your lawn when your


           20              trash is picked up Friday just doesn't cut


           21              it.  We really need to influence people to


           22              stop this because a lot of garbage laying


           23              around it's just litter.  It's just garbage


           24              that blew away after it was torn up by


           25              skunks or whatever.






            1                      And on the PPL on Nay Aug Park now,


            2              I attended the open house by PPL last night


            3              up in Newton-Ransom and I talked to with a


            4              man for quite a bit.  He was actually the


            5              head engineer for quite awhile and they


            6              couldn't answer my question on spraying of


            7              Nay Aug Park on pesticides.  I'd appreciate


            8              if you people would try to influence them.


            9              It's only an acre or two, keep the


           10              herbicides out of Nay Aug Park.  If it leaks


           11              over into other trees and sufficient we are


           12              going to have a bunch of problems and


           13              scorched earth basically.  And when I spoke


           14              to him, I mean, these people are really


           15              getting bashed every which way over this


           16              Roseland project and I mentioned to them


           17              some concerns and in the case of Enron they


           18              were importing -- they were generating power


           19              in California, exporting it out-of-state and


           20              charged reimporting it and charging a higher


           21              price, that was one of the issues.  Shutting


           22              down and -- shutting down power plants and


           23              causing brownouts to increase the amount of


           24              money coming in and power exported for


           25              higher dollars was another issue, so I tried






            1              to convey that to them that some -- that is


            2              what some of the Pennsylvania concerns are.


            3              We don't really need to have the power --


            4              our power that's generated in our


            5              neighborhood or our area and shipped out it


            6              other states or something that feel they


            7              need it more because they can afford to pay


            8              a little more money.


            9                      The whole idea of regulating the


           10              utility years ago was to ensure that they


           11              could turn a profit and that they would


           12              never, ever have to operate at a loss, so,


           13              you know, I just try to get it passed to the


           14              guy that, okay, you know, and it goes two


           15              ways, so you might want to look into some of


           16              those issues.  There is -- down at the


           17              library there is a really good article, I'll


           18              try to make it brief Enron is smartest guy


           19              in the class and it had some really, really


           20              good points about what happens when energy


           21              and systems are deregulated and people wind


           22              up on the roof and wall the way around.  If


           23              your refrigerator kicks off there goes your


           24              frozen foods again.  Have a good night.


           25                      MS. SCHUMACHER: Good evening, two






            1              council persons, Marie Schumacher.


            2                      MS. GATELLI: I don't know if she


            3              would hearing you.  There is not a quorum


            4              here.


            5                      MS. SCHUMACHER: You are not voting.


            6                      MS. FANUCCI: Can you hear public


            7              comment without a quorum?


            8                      MS. GATELLI: Can we?


            9                      MS. SCHUMACHER: Yeah.


           10                      MR.  MINORA: Yes.


           11                      MS. SCHUMACHER: Resident and member


           12              of the Taxpayers' Association.  Before I get


           13              to the remarks I want to make tonight I want


           14              to publically thank Mayor Doherty for the


           15              wonderful condition of our streets because


           16              it caused a bolt -- going over all of these


           17              potholes caused a bolt to loosen in my


           18              vehicle which happened to give out halfway


           19              to church on Sunday and I did not let that


           20              ruin the glorious holiday that it was and I


           21              hope you all had a glorious Easter and


           22              Passover.


           23                      This afternoon in Judge Minora's


           24              courtroom number three, I heard Mrs. Miller,


           25              director of the Genesis Wildlife Center






            1              testify under oath that Mayor Doherty over


            2              six years ago came to her private residence


            3              in Tobyhanna and asked her to bring her


            4              animals to Nay Aug.  Mr. Doherty promised a


            5              new facility, a salary and staff and an


            6              operating budget.  What did she get after


            7              six and a half plus years of patience, an


            8              eviction notice.


            9                      Further, Mrs. Miller said the city


           10              had provided only $150,000 total or an


           11              average of $25,000 a year not the $50,000


           12              per year we have been reading about in the


           13              paper.  Mr. Doherty now says our distressed


           14              city cannot afford the wildlife center so I


           15              take this as an admission by Mayor Doherty


           16              that we are more distressed now than we were


           17              in 2003 when he made this offer.


           18                      Before I talk more about lies, lies


           19              and more lies I want to go back two weeks


           20              when I talked at length about the BRT Ice


           21              contract with the city.  To refresh, on


           22              April 15, 2006, the Scranton Redevelopment


           23              Authority executed a resolution that


           24              authorized the Redevelopment Contract with


           25              BRT Ice Limited Partnership be entered into






            1              and forwarded to the City of Scranton


            2              Council as required by the Urban


            3              Redevelopment -- excuse me, Urban


            4              Redevelopment law for review and approval in


            5              regard to the property located in the 800


            6              block of Providence Road.


            7                      Mrs. Gatelli, at that time you told


            8              me you had asked Mr. Minora to review those


            9              contracts and see and I would like to give


           10              him some of my time.


           11                      MR. MINORA:  I had put a call into


           12              Attorney Greco, I have spoken to him.  I


           13              asked him to review those contracts and give


           14              me his opinion since he drafted them on what


           15              the obligations are of that.  I haven't


           16              heard back from him yet.


           17                      MS. GATELLI:  Thank you.


           18                      MS. SCHUMACHER: Do you have any idea


           19              when we will?  Is there any idea when we


           20              will have resolution on this?


           21                      MS. GATELLI: We can try to call him


           22              again, Amil?


           23                      MR. MINORA:  I've just given you


           24              what I know.  Anything else would be


           25              speculation.






            1                      MS. SCHUMACHER: Thank you.  Okay.


            2              Then back to the lies.  We have been told


            3              that we live in a progressive city, however,


            4              there are cities much smaller than Scranton


            5              that use global positioning technology, for


            6              instance, to pinpoint the location of every


            7              fire hydrant such that firefighters on their


            8              way to an incident know which way they


            9              should go to have the best access to water.


           10              In Scranton, we can't even get the hydrants


           11              to be color-coded to denote the water flow.


           12                      Mrs. Miller -- again, in the lies


           13              theory, Mrs. Miller is not the only person


           14              to whom the mayor has lied.  Again, back in


           15              November of 2001 the mayor said he would be


           16              the sixth council person if he was elected


           17              mayor.  In June of 2002, he told the


           18              residents there would probably be a tax


           19              increase if the Recovery Plan was defeated


           20              so the Recovery Plan was approved and we


           21              still got a 25 percent tax increase which I


           22              predict there will be more to follow.


           23                      In October of 2005, one month before


           24              the last mayoral election, the mayor


           25              announced that a $1.2 million drainage






            1              project on East Elm Street from the


            2              Friendship House to Blucher Avenue would be


            3              in the next year estimated to be completed


            4              in the next year's construction cycle.


            5              What's the status?  Four years later, hasn't


            6              even been started, although, we have


            7              probably spent a fortune as they did on East


            8              Mountain Road with surveyor's making it and


            9              remarking it.  I'll continue with my lies,


           10              lies and more lies next week.  Thank you.


           11                      MS. GATELLI: Mr. Schumacher, I did


           12              get your note about the rental registration.


           13              Mrs. Garvey brought it to my attention and I


           14              am inquiring once again --


           15                      MS. SCHUMACHER: Thank you.


           16                      MS. GATELLI: -- about that.


           17                      MS. SCHUMACHER: I look forward to


           18              that answer as well.


           19                      MS. GATELLI: Mr. Ellman is next.


           20                      MR. ELLMAN: Hello, Council.  I'm


           21              sorry, I didn't know who I followed.  I


           22              don't have much to say.  I had a bunch of


           23              people ask me what we named our little baby.


           24              We named him Slugo.  No particular reason,


           25              just a name.  I have to agree with almost






            1              everybody tonight, which ought to be a earth


            2              shaking to you all, but I think one good zoo


            3              would probably bring in -- is worth 100


            4              Steamtowns.  People will come to a zoo over


            5              and over and over, especially children,


            6              because I grew up in Memphis which has a


            7              beautiful zoo and I couldn't begin to say


            8              how many times I went a year with friends to


            9              it.  You go to Steamtown once and, you know,


           10              it's like going to the Grand Canyon, one


           11              time is enough.  You know, but a zoo is


           12              something to just -- it just brings families


           13              together, you know, and I just love to see


           14              one.


           15                      You know, all of the money that went


           16              down the drain and every time you ask about


           17              it they say it's in Nay Aug, but it


           18              certainly wasn't in the zoo.  It's a toss up


           19              about for me whether they should have closed


           20              it or not because I'm an animal lover and I


           21              hate to see any kind of animal confined like


           22              that, but where there is life there is hope


           23              I guess.


           24                      You know, to talk about the tax


           25              office, I stood here two or three years ago,






            1              four years ago, I don't remember, I got


            2              $2,400 floating around there some place.  I


            3              have hired two lawyers and they couldn't get


            4              any intelligent response from the tax office


            5              about my money.  They turned it over to the


            6              that NCC and we gave them $2,400 when I


            7              still have the paperwork that the bank paid


            8              my taxes every year.  I don't know what the


            9              trouble is.


           10                      One lawyer charged $500 and couldn't


           11              get nothing and then I went to the Bureau of


           12              the Aging and their attorney didn't charge


           13              nothing, but he couldn't get anything from


           14              the office.  I have talked to him -- the


           15              only intelligent person I ever found over


           16              there was Mr. Cox and his expertise wasn't


           17              about the money.


           18                      I've never been in this Country Club


           19              men's store, but I hate to see them go out.


           20              I park my car around there sometimes.  I


           21              guess Mr. Doherty can make another Irish bar


           22              and KOZ the area, you know, like he likes to


           23              do.  He needs to KOZ some of the little


           24              neighborhood places and put in some Irish


           25              bars because there is empty stores all over






            1              the town, you know.  I guess everybody at


            2              the Taurus Club gets mad at me for Irish


            3              bashing.


            4                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Mr. Ellman, I was up


            5              there at lunch and you weren't there.


            6                      MR. ELLMAN:  Really.


            7                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I even went tot he


            8              men's room.  I thought you were holding a


            9              meeting in there, but you weren't there.


           10                      MR. ELLMAN: Did you look on the


           11              floor?  I might have been in the bathroom


           12              getting some information from somebody.  Our


           13              new dog got red eyes.  He goes outside and


           14              he is allergic to something so we had to go


           15              to the vet yesterday and get him just some


           16              lotion to put in his eyes, he is allergic to


           17              something, he turned red and comes in the


           18              house and he looks good.  Miss Rosie said he


           19              looks like he is being sitting up at the


           20              Taurus Club with me all evening.


           21                      I don't know.  I love animals, but


           22              there is a program on Friday nights called


           23              Dog Town.  I just donated Lump's wheelchair


           24              to them and they wrote me a beautiful letter


           25              and sent me some information.  Lump died






            1              before he could use his wheelchair and the


            2              people told me I could send it back to them,


            3              but I donated it.  I mean, I am just saying


            4              I just love animals and I would love to see


            5              Mr. Doherty or somebody do something with a


            6              zoo.


            7                      I could remember, I wasn't real


            8              close with my parents like a lot of people


            9              because it was the war years and they


           10              worked, but I can remember going to the zoo


           11              with them just time after time.  Well, I


           12              won't waste your time.  Thank you.


           13                      MS. GATELLI: Mr. McCloe.  I think


           14              you need another dog, Mr. Ellman.


           15                      MS. FANUCCI: He just got one this


           16              week.


           17                      MS. GATELLI: Oh, you got one?


           18                      MS. FANUCCI: Last week, yeah.


           19                      MR. ELLMAN: You didn't hear about


           20              our new addition to the family?


           21                      MS. GATELLI: No.


           22                      MR. ELLMAN: You need to watch last


           23              week's video.


           24                      MR. GATELLI:  Mr. Jackowitz is going


           25              to get me a copy of it.  I'm sorry,






            1              Mr. McCloe.


            2                      MR. MCGOFF: That's okay.  Good


            3              evening.  My name is Brett McCloe, Scranton


            4              taxpayer, homeowner.  Last week I had made


            5              reference to a saying that you can judge a


            6              society by how it treats the least of it's


            7              citizens.  I just want to say that you can


            8              also judge a society by how it treats the


            9              best of it's citizens and, no, it's not the


           10              business owners and entrepreneurs.  No, it's


           11              not the academia and, no, it's not the


           12              artists.  Instead, it those who protect and


           13              serve the very quality of life that others


           14              take for granted, take credit for, and


           15              benefit from.


           16                      It was also said that fear tactics


           17              will become the focus of this year's


           18              election.  Police and fire protection has


           19              risen to the top of our consciousness.  It's


           20              funny how anyone who can blame and criticize


           21              the very citizens who protect and serve the


           22              public then cite them for the economic


           23              problems that face the city.  I, for one,


           24              don't know if I have the courage to run into


           25              a burning building, the strength to protect






            1              the streets from those who would do the


            2              citizens' harm or the speed and knowledge it


            3              takes to be first on the scene to revive a


            4              still heart.  The price, $26 million.


            5              Living to see another day, priceless.


            6                      I tried to put some numbers into


            7              perspective when talking to a woman at a


            8              local grocery store.  294 American soldiers


            9              were killed in action in Iraq in 2008.  2008


           10              also saw 114 firefighters and 140 police


           11              officers lose their lives in the line of


           12              duty.  She said all they do is just sit


           13              around, why should we pay them for so much


           14              down time, as it was their fault that there


           15              was no fires.  Ignorant as she was for of


           16              her own ignorance, in other words, she


           17              didn't care what she didn't know.  It became


           18              all to apparent that she was incapable of


           19              thinking in more than two dimensions due to


           20              her political affiliations.  All she could


           21              quote was Mrs. Fanucci's ten-minute gotcha


           22              scenario that this is what you get and don't


           23              get when you fight city hall.


           24                      Once again, I told her the numbers,


           25              294 soldiers in Iraq, 254 police and






            1              firefighters in America, 40 lost lives


            2              separating the two.  I also wanted her to


            3              realize that fire is a force of nature.  It


            4              has no politics.  It cannot be bargained


            5              with.  It takes no prisoners and absolutely


            6              will not stop until it has consumed


            7              everything in it's path, including human


            8              beings.


            9                      Lastly, I told her the next time she


           10              sees a firefighter having a sit remember


           11              that this might be the last time you ever


           12              see that firefighter, that police officer


           13              and to think not twice but three times


           14              before you try to quantify how much their


           15              lives are worth while they stand ready,


           16              willing and able to give theirs to save


           17              yours.


           18                      I just want to everyone to try to


           19              understand that there are three sides to


           20              every argument just like there are three


           21              sides to every coin.  There is heads, there


           22              is tails, and then there is the edge.


           23              Without the edge, the coin does not exist.


           24              I just want everyone to engage in good


           25              conversation and above all vote.  Thank you.






            1                      MS. GATELLI: Allison Sayers.


            2                      MS. SAYERS: Good evening.  The zoo


            3              is on my topic, too.  The zoo was and still


            4              is concrete.  It's always been concrete.


            5              For six years that was okay.  Now, six years


            6              later, the mayor doesn't want it anymore.


            7              He wanted the zoo and kept up the pressure


            8              until he got what he wanted.  There is


            9              nothing in writing of his offer to


           10              Mrs. Miller and her husband.  As I said, the


           11              zoo was always concrete, but now he doesn't


           12              want this zoo and he promised $50,000 a year


           13              and apparently she has not been getting that


           14              so maybe you want to check that and see


           15              where that's been going.


           16                      The zoo should stay as is until


           17              Mrs. Miller can place the animals, well, at


           18              the animal's convenience and that was


           19              established this afternoon that they all


           20              belonged to her.  She has been paying


           21              three-quarters of the expenses for the


           22              center and for the animals and some lady


           23              comes in from out-of-state and wants them


           24              distributed to Texas and every place.  The


           25              object is not to have them go into research,






            1              and the three animals that were relocated


            2              had to come back.  They had to be sedated.


            3              The lynx is a very elderly cat and this is


            4              detrimental to the cat's health and she is


            5              going to have to be sedated again when she


            6              leaves the center and goes to Tobyhanna.


            7                      As established at the meeting this


            8              afternoon, the animals belong to Mrs.


            9              Miller and she should be the only one making


           10              the decisions to where they should relocate,


           11              which has been established.  The city should


           12              meet their obligation until the animals can


           13              be relocated by Mrs. Miller at the animal's


           14              convenience so that they are not stressed


           15              out so she can have them placed ready for


           16              them and not have to do work on the area


           17              once they are there and so she can move one


           18              at a time successfully.


           19                      Apparently, there is pressure being


           20              put on by the mayor and I have heard rumors


           21              about horses at the zoo to replace the


           22              animals are there now.  I don't know if this


           23              is true or not.


           24                      MS. FANUCCI: I think it's just a


           25              rumor.






            1                      MS. SAYERS: If this is true or not,


            2              but I hope they leave the horses in Waverly.


            3              There is lot of cleanup with that and they


            4              can mess up the whole park.  I suggest that


            5              nothing else be established in this spot for


            6              at least five years.  Maybe it would be good


            7              to tear it down, too, and also the aviary


            8              which is across from the zoo.


            9                      Going onto the tax collector job, I


           10              don't understand why it's elected.  Many


           11              positions in New Jersey where I was a


           12              municipal auditor these places are -- people


           13              are placed by civil service exam.  That


           14              means that somebody has to know the laws,


           15              they have to know what to do when they are


           16              in there.  It's not going to be somebody


           17              that doesn't come from an adequate


           18              background.  I don't know what


           19              Mr. Courtright's background is, but I will


           20              be looking seriously into your campaign


           21              flyers.


           22                      MS. FANUCCI:  Well, I just want to


           23              tell you that's a state law so that would


           24              have to be done on a state level to change


           25              that.  We are obligated to have an election






            1              to have a tax collector right now.


            2                      MS. SAYERS:  Well, it would be


            3              something to look into.  It would benefit


            4              the whole state, but Scranton definitely


            5              needs it, and what happened to an audit


            6              every year, that's not required?


            7                      MR. COURTRIGHT: It is.


            8                      MS. FANUCCI:  It is required.


            9                      MS. SAYERS:  Whatever happened to


           10              it?  Everybody says, well, I didn't know.


           11              Where I came from in New Jersey they had


           12              somebody donate money for a pool and it was


           13              -- the money was invested for keeping the


           14              pool up and all that they were allowed to


           15              charge people was for the waterproof badge.


           16              And on herbicides, that bothers a lot of


           17              people.  They say, "Oh, it's safe."


           18                      It's not safe.  I have family


           19              members that when they use them up in Wayne


           20              County where she lives they have to give her


           21              a week's notice so she can clear out.  Thank


           22              you.


           23                      MS. GATELLI: Phyllis.


           24                      MS. HUMPHRIES: Pacha.  Freta.


           25              Salaam aleikum and shalom, and peace.  But






            1              the true peace is coming when Jesus Christ


            2              comes.  You know, hacking of computers?  My


            3              computer was hacked in, but it was somebody


            4              that wanted to enlighten me about the City


            5              of Scranton.  First it went to Mayor Connors


            6              --  or excuse me, not Mayor Connors, it went


            7              to Mayor Doherty and I really wanted to know


            8              how the system worked and the mayor has


            9              override of a lot of the officials with the


           10              police department, District Attorney's


           11              Office and, oh, that's very interesting.


           12              Then I went to -- it went to -- and I'm


           13              standing there watching this to stuntmen


           14              mayor.  It had to do with movies about that


           15              they put here for the festival which Mrs.


           16              Gatelli was on, Rabbi Mendelson that I gave


           17              him documents to go to Israel, Monsignor


           18              Quinn.  It's kind of funny, but it's kind of


           19              like of shocking while I was watching this.


           20                      There is a law which I told, and


           21              everybody knows here, and that lawyer, judge


           22              or whatever he represents here is very much


           23              aware of.  We have our civil rights, we have


           24              the United States constitution in America


           25              and we have the Geneva Convention.  Most






            1              people did a lot of crimes against me, some


            2              police falsified documents here, which


            3              medical would show evidently different.  Did


            4              you ever hear -- I saved the turkey last


            5              year, the turkey bones and I paint on them.


            6              There is a Prince turkey from Riyadh.  He is


            7              with the central intelligence.  Are you


            8              familiar with him, Mrs. Gatelli?


            9                      MS. GATELLI: No.


           10                      MS. HUMPHRIES: But I know Monsignor


           11              Quinn is.  In church, after the Holy


           12              Communion is when the fullest spirit


           13              desantis is in you and I could get messages.


           14              They had a write up in the paper about


           15              people that went to the church and pulling


           16              out, but numerous people ran to talk to my


           17              best friend, lay down your life for your


           18              best friend, Sally Thompson and Mariette.


           19              They go back constantly, causing problems,


           20              which breaks the ecumenical reconciliation


           21              of the churches.


           22                      My car was flattened.  Months ago


           23              was my daughter was ran off the road


           24              thinking it was me, that she is lucky she is


           25              alive.






            1                      Yesterday, I called the President of


            2              the United States because of me filing


            3              papers with the civil rights they blocked


            4              everything here in the City of Scranton to


            5              not go any further to the proper people to


            6              protect our country and with the Geneva


            7              Convention it not only protection of


            8              enemies, it's the protection of the


            9              civilians in time of war.


           10                      My family has been affected by what


           11              has been affected and abuse of me.  Some of


           12              the police are afraid to say anything and


           13              they are afraid of losing their jobs, so now


           14              it's like buckaroo cleanup at the corral.


           15              Rendell, Hillary Clinton, I wrote them


           16              letters prior top them coming into office


           17              and Casey and to no avail did they help me,


           18              but truly they don't even help the unborn.


           19                      I ask everybody to listen to what


           20              I'm saying, Scranton Counseling Center


           21              misdiagnosed me and the corruption is going


           22              to go from Judge Robinson who is deceased


           23              all the way up to the president and this is


           24              not a threat, this is a promise.  When you


           25              got to clean up, you got to clean up no






            1              matter what, so I hope to God everybody does


            2              listen to this.  Somebody stopped me, this


            3              Jimmy said, "You know what," he says, "You


            4              are so much fun and the city council loves


            5              you," and he says, "you are the last one on


            6              and you bring like kind of like a fun, but


            7              you tell the truth what's going on that


            8              everybody is afraid of."


            9                      Monica and Diana, I won't say their


           10              last name, Bob, Jim, you are going to be


           11              arrested.  You are not going to tell me to


           12              go to another country.


           13                      MS. GATELLI: Thanks, Phyllis.  Thank


           14              you.


           15                      MS. HUMPHRIES: I want them to know,


           16              they can't tell nobody to go to another


           17              country when I'm a United States citizen,


           18              Italian, Polish, Czechoslovakian, Austrian


           19              descent.  I have family in Russia, I have


           20              family in Japan.  I have family all over


           21              different countries and my family and my


           22              families and some of these people are being


           23              affected.  I have my daughter-in-law's


           24              mother is visiting from Russia right now.


           25              So when you are dealing with me and hurting






            1              me you are hurting these countries all the


            2              way to Rome.


            3                      And the other thing I have to say


            4              it's disgusting the way they treat Bishop


            5              Martino, it's appalling.  It's appalling.


            6                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Phyllis, your time


            7              is up.


            8                      MS. GATELLI: Thank you, Phyllis.


            9                      MS. HUMPHRIES:  My time is not up,


           10              everybody else's time is up.  You know, I


           11              looked at recipe and it had ham butt and a


           12              bone is a curse and a bone could be a


           13              blessing so ping pong to everybody.


           14                      MS. GATELLI: Is there anyone else?


           15              By the way, there is a ping pong tournament


           16              on Saturday.  Mayor Connors will be down


           17              there with his paddle.


           18                      MS. HUMPHRIES: I just hope him to


           19              get the first two paddles.


           20                      MR. GERVASI: Good evening, City


           21              Council.  I really had nothing else to say


           22              until, Mrs. Fanucci, I know you get mad at


           23              me sometimes when I don't pay attention to


           24              you, but I had your -- I was very attentive


           25              last week at the end of the meeting during






            1              motions when you were talking about the


            2              health care situation.  I think you miss the


            3              point.  I don't think there is any city


            4              employees that are actually complaining


            5              about the health care increases or what the


            6              amount is, we are really not because it's


            7              not that bad, the point is that we shouldn't


            8              be paying that and there is a good reason


            9              for it.  Let me give you a little history


           10              lesson on the health care, because it seems


           11              like everybody is trying to divide, well,


           12              the city employees are paying this much and


           13              everybody else has to pay a lot more.  How


           14              you can you understand the whole situation.


           15                      MS. FANUCCI: I think I do, but let's


           16              go.


           17                      MR. GERVASI: Let's go.


           18                      MS. FANUCCI: Go ahead.


           19                      MR. GERVASI:  1992 the first


           20              Recovery Plan, obviously health care was a


           21              problem, it was rising even back then.  The


           22              state said that we were going to have a


           23              health care cost containment committee when


           24              the employees for the first time ever, the


           25              employees would sit with the city and go






            1              against the insurance companies and try to


            2              get the best deal, and that's what happened.


            3                      Now, there was problems, the city


            4              wasn't cooperating at the time during the


            5              90's and finally, finally, we went to Court


            6              I believe in 1993 or '94 I wasn't on the


            7              board at the time, it was my predecessors


            8              that were on that committee, I believe Nancy


            9              Krake was there from the beginning, she


           10              would probably know this a lot better than


           11              me the history of it.  At that time we


           12              actually had to force the city through an


           13              arbitration to sit down with us because our


           14              health care premiums were going up and our


           15              copays and our contributions were going and


           16              up, but because of our contract language we


           17              had the opportunity to lower our health


           18              care, change our health care provider, do


           19              all kind of sort of things like that to


           20              lower the costs because it was -- it was a


           21              benefit for us, too, because while we saved


           22              the city money, which is saving the


           23              taxpayers' money, we saved ourselves higher


           24              copays and contributions, so things were a


           25              little rocky for the first few years.






            1                      Once we forced the city to sit down


            2              and partner with us we knocked off


            3              $2 million in health care costs in one year.


            4              That was Blue Cross at the time.  While that


            5              process was taking place we did an audit, it


            6              was Heffler Company, did an audit, they came


            7              back with a cursory audit that showed that


            8              the city was dumping 33 percent of all of


            9              the claims, comp claims for work-related


           10              injuries into our health care provider was


           11              paying them.


           12                      Now, if you know anything about


           13              health care what they do is every year a


           14              health care provider will come back to the


           15              city, and it's based on your experience,


           16              which is basically how much you used the


           17              year before and that's how they base what


           18              you premiums are going to be the following


           19              year.  Because there was 33 percent dumped


           20              into comp, which should have been taken care


           21              of from the comp carrier, would that cursory


           22              audit that was done we then went to the city


           23              and said, "We were overcharged in


           24              contributions and copays," and the city, the


           25              taxpayers were overcharged, so we began --






            1              the city, of course, didn't do anything


            2              about it.  We forced them in Court again to


            3              did a proper audit, a complete audit so we


            4              could find out the exact numbers so we would


            5              know how to proceed and get a benchmark and


            6              at that point now how to proceed.


            7                      The Doherty administration came in,


            8              they fired the auditing company, that's a


            9              fact, they fired our health care consultants


           10              which in 2000, I believe '99 or 2000, with


           11              no help from the state, with no help from


           12              the Pennsylvania Economy League, the unions,


           13              the DPW and the clerical, the fire and the


           14              police unions took the city to Court again


           15              and forced the city to do what the health


           16              care cost containment language said.  At


           17              that time we had a good consultant and we


           18              lopped off $5 million off of our health


           19              care, and at that time our health care


           20              contributions and copays went away for like


           21              three years.  We went self-insured.


           22                      Mr. Doherty fired that consultant


           23              that we had that was legally and


           24              contractually mandated that the city has.


           25              For the next few years nothing happened.  We






            1              had a few health care meetings, nothing


            2              happened.  We would have a few meetings, we


            3              would come in, the HR department would be


            4              there --


            5                      MS. FANUCCI: What years are we at


            6              now, I just want to get --


            7                      MR. GERVASI: These years were


            8              probably 2003 -- two, three, four, in the


            9              beginning of the Doherty administration.


           10                      MS. FANUCCI: Okay.


           11                      MR. GERVASI:  We found out that the


           12              censuses were wrong, there was deceased


           13              people still on our books.  There was people


           14              that were in the wrong what they call


           15              buckets, there was retirees and active


           16              lists, there was actives and retiree lists,


           17              to make a long story short we are not


           18              complaining about what we pay in


           19              contributions to health care.  What we are


           20              complaining about --


           21                      MS. FANUCCI: I know you are not.  Go


           22              ahead.


           23                      MS. GERVASI: You shouldn't either


           24              because you pay less than us.


           25                      MS. FANUCCI: I do not.






            1                      MS. GERVASI: Sure you do.


            2                      MS. FANUCCI: No, I don't.


            3                      MR. GERVASI: I'll bring that next


            4              week and I'll show it.


            5                      MS. FANUCCI:  You should.  You


            6              should because you are absolutely incorrect.


            7                      MR. GERVASI: Okay.


            8                      MR. FANUCCI: And I referred a lot of


            9              paperwork, but, go ahead.


           10                      MR. GERVASI:  But the point I'm


           11              trying to make is, and over my time, the


           12              point I'm trying to make is we are not


           13              complaining what we pay.  What we are


           14              complaining about is the city did not


           15              cooperate with us.  We had our first health


           16              care cost containment meeting in two, two


           17              and a half years.  There was a whole bunch


           18              of things that we are going to do with our


           19              new consultant and, frankly, at this point


           20              the seven judges that just decided that


           21              Court order that the mayor is touting that


           22              the city somehow won they also upheld our


           23              cost containment language.


           24                      MS. FANUCCI:  Yes.


           25                      MR. GERVASI:  So don't try to say






            1              the city employees are complaining about


            2              copays going up when the city is


            3              responsible, the mayor and the HR director


            4              is responsible for any increases that


            5              happened over the last five years because


            6              they did not cooperate with us.


            7                      MS. FANUCCI: Okay, but I was not


            8              saying you did not say that that was not


            9              okay, what I was referring to was


           10              Mr. Ancherani coming up here and saying, "I


           11              have a person whose health care went up --"


           12              how many percent did you say at the time?


           13                      MR. ANCHERANI: 1,100.


           14                      MS. FANUCCI: And that's what I was


           15              referring to, that it did go up that


           16              percentage and what you were paying and what


           17              you were paying now, so actually I was just


           18              giving accurate information.  I did not say


           19              you were up here complaining about it, I was


           20              saying that Ancherani said that somebody's


           21              health care went up --


           22                      MR. GERVASI: We weren't.


           23                      MS. FANUCCI: And that's exactly what


           24              I said.


           25                      MR. GERVASI:  The point I'm trying






            1              to make is this, it did go up.  The point


            2              I'm trying to make is this --


            3                      MS. FANUCCI:  Yes, it did.


            4                      MR. GERVASI:  We are not complaining


            5              what it's at, we are complaining where it


            6              should be.  We are complaining where it


            7              should be because the city has not


            8              cooperated with us.


            9                      MS. FANUCCI:  So you believe you are


           10              paying too much now as -- you are


           11              contributing too much to your health care,


           12              it's at your cap?


           13                      MR. GERVASI: Absolutely, because


           14              what you need to know is --


           15                      MS. FANUCCI: Okay.


           16                      MR. GERVASI:  Is the equivalent of


           17              the health care that we have.  I'm done now.


           18              The level of health care we have right now


           19              if you pay the premium to Blue Cross for


           20              that health care you would paying $14,900 a


           21              year.  The taxpayers are not paying that


           22              much.  As a matter of fact, I think we are


           23              still around the cap which is probably about


           24              $8,000 for the exact same health care that's


           25              because of the Health Care Committee.






            1              That's because of the Health Care Committee.


            2                      MS. GATELLI: We need the Health Care


            3              Committee up the street.


            4                      MR. GERVASI:  Yes, you did, because


            5              that's what you are paying, that's the


            6              taxpayers are paying for your health care,


            7              $14,900 and we're in the same as Access


            8              Care-II.  We have the exact same thing as


            9              what you have except we are paying probably


           10              only 60 percent of that.


           11                      MS. GATELLI: Thank you.


           12                      MR. GERVASI:  That's the point.


           13                      MS. CYPRUS: Good evening.  My name


           14              is Mrs. Ellen Cyprus and this is my first


           15              time before council.  I actually come here


           16              this evening because I have a concern and I


           17              want to voice my opinion with regard to the


           18              Genesis Center up at Nay Aug.  I find it


           19              very distasteful that someone who is not


           20              from the area had had so much to say about


           21              the place, and from what I understand she


           22              has only seen the place on a couple of


           23              occasions and to come forth and make all of


           24              these allegations and to create such


           25              pandemonium is quite outrageous.  Ms.






            1              Heveran also claims to have been on the


            2              Board of the New England Zoo, however, I


            3              have heard claims that no one there has ever


            4              heard of her.  If she is concerned with the


            5              Genesis Center and the welfare of these


            6              animals she should be using all of this


            7              dedicated effort seeing what she could do in


            8              the way of help, financially or any other


            9              way, rather than just spewing all of this


           10              negativity an creating an uproar, disrupting


           11              people's lives and causing all kinds of


           12              grief.


           13                      To often, people have agendas.  They


           14              don't fully realize what the result of the


           15              outcome would be.  They satisfy and placate


           16              themselves believing they have done the


           17              right thing and when all is said and done


           18              all they have really done is to displace yet


           19              again more victims of their agenda who this


           20              time began at the Genesis Center.  It takes


           21              a lot of time and effort to be able to


           22              accomplish what Margaret has done and


           23              winning over the confidence and trust of her


           24              charges.  Animals do not adopt as readily as


           25              humans and when those animals have other






            1              psychological issues it is even more


            2              distressing for them.


            3                      I understand that the Genesis Center


            4              was promised a lot of help and other things


            5              by the city when they first came here and


            6              I'm sure a lot of these promises were made,


            7              if they were made good on, would have a very


            8              positive affect on the center and,


            9              obviously, improve a lot of the issues and


           10              concern.  Rather than ousting the Genesis


           11              Center, I think it would be more prudent to


           12              make good on the promises that were offered


           13              in the beginning and allow them to remain


           14              here.


           15                      I am a financial response or of the


           16              animals and have volunteered my time also to


           17              help.  The bottom line is the city just


           18              needed to step up to the plate.  The Genesis


           19              Center may not be the ideal or the perfect


           20              place in comparison to other noteworthy zoos


           21              and sanctuaries, but for the animals it


           22              houses it's a God send and a vast


           23              improvement from whence they came.  Even


           24              though it's not a pretty sanctuary, the love


           25              and care these animals get far surpasses the






            1              loss.  They are well-fed, warm and


            2              protected, and speaking of protection, to my


            3              knowledge there is no validity to Mrs.


            4              Heveran's claim of public endangerment.  On


            5              all of occasions that I have been there, not


            6              one time did I see or feel that the public


            7              would be in danger in any way.  There are


            8              barriers that keep the public at bay by a


            9              good distance and other safeguards in place


           10              as well.


           11                      This is the last stop for most of


           12              these animals there.  Let them live in


           13              peace, they don't need another mart.  And I


           14              want to talk about a footnote to this


           15              because it has come to my attention that as


           16              a result of the hearing today that she has


           17              decided to move back to Tobyhanna.  I think


           18              it's ashame.  I think it's a disgrace.  It's


           19              really just more proverbial egg on the face


           20              of the city.  I think the fact that Mrs.


           21              Heveran stepped in here, she has only moved


           22              in here relatively recently and come from a


           23              different state and her claim to fame now is


           24              totally dissolving the sanctuary.  What a


           25              wonderful thing.  What a wonderful epitate






            1              for someone to have.  I think it's ashame.


            2                      This woman came here, made a great


            3              deal of effort to move here all of these


            4              years ago, was made promises to, they


            5              weren't seen through.  I just think it's a


            6              damn shame.  Thank you.


            7                      MS. KRAKE: Good evening, Council.


            8              My name is Nancy Krake.  Last week


            9              Mrs. Fanucci said that the mayor alone is


           10              not responsible for the financial trouble


           11              the city is in, and I agree 100 percent.


           12              One man alone could not have caused this


           13              financial disaster.  Mrs. Fanucci, you and


           14              Mrs. Gatelli are two of the three


           15              accomplices to this crime against the


           16              citizenry while the mayor himself said all


           17              he needs is three votes.  Mrs. Fanucci, Mrs.


           18              Gatelli and Mr. McGoff are the three votes


           19              that gave the mayor the license to borrow


           20              and tax us more in these eight years than


           21              ever before in the history of this city.


           22                      MS. GATELLI:  We are the only three.


           23              I'm sorry.


           24                      MS. KRAKE:  That's quite all right.


           25                      MS. GATELLI:  But I can't be quiet






            1              when are you telling the whole truth, Nancy.


            2              We are only here three years.  You are


            3              talking about from 2002, there were other


            4              people here that borrowed money, too.


            5                      MS. KRAKE: I'm sorry that's how you


            6              feel, but I'm talking about --


            7                      MS. GATELLI: Oh, no, I --


            8                      MS. KRAKE: I'm talking about actual


            9              votes.


           10                      MS. GATELLI:  Tell the truth.  Mr.


           11              DiBileo borrowed money, too, and so did


           12              Mr. Courtright.  I'll bring statistics next


           13              week.


           14                      MS. KRAKE: If you are finished --


           15                      MS. GATELLI: I don't think it's fair


           16              that you are only blaming certain people


           17              when we are only here three years of the


           18              eight.


           19                      MS. KRAKE: Are you finished?


           20                      MS. GATELLI: Go ahead.


           21                      MS. KRAKE:  Are you finished.


           22                      MS. GATELLI: For now I am.


           23                      MS. KRAKE:  You are?  Thank you.  I


           24              was speaking concerning how three people


           25              have voted during their terms.  If you can't






            1              understand that, that's okay.  It's not okay


            2              for the taxpayers, but it's okay for you


            3              because you are running again so you


            4              obviously are very okay with how you have


            5              voted.


            6                      MS. GATELLI:  Yes, I am.


            7                      MS. KRAKE: We didn't just magically


            8              fall into a recession -- oh.  We did not


            9              just magically fall into a recession.


           10              Mrs. Fanucci, Mrs. Gatelli caused this


           11              city's recession.  You raised the taxes


           12              27 percent and you borrowed the millions


           13              that buried us under a mountain of debt.


           14                      I agree, Mayor Doherty didn't cause


           15              this financial distress alone.  Mrs. Fanucci


           16              and Mrs. Gatelli have left the taxpayers


           17              holding the bag and apparently they are not


           18              aware of it.  Thank you.


           19                      MS. GATELLI: Hello, Mrs. Franus.


           20                      MS. FRANUS: Fay Franus, Scranton.


           21              What I'm saying tonight is a matter of fact,


           22              it's my opinion.  I agree with Mrs. Krake


           23              completely.  I can't -- Judy, I can't get


           24              over this charade this last couple of months


           25              with you running for election.  All this






            1              sweetness and sugar.  I'm gaining wait just


            2              listening to you.  I can't even comprehend


            3              this.  Where is the other Judy Gatelli that


            4              I knew.


            5                      MS. FANUCCI: When you are not here,


            6              right?


            7                      MS. FRANUS: What's that?


            8                      MS. FANUCCI: You guys go at when you


            9              are here.  When you are not here she doesn't


           10              have to go at it as much maybe.


           11                      MS. FRANUS:  Well, the point is I'm


           12              stating the facts here.  Where is that other


           13              person?  The one that raised the taxes


           14              25 percent and told me they don't represent


           15              me.  The one that had me taken out by police


           16              twice and the one that had the people


           17              standing outside for weeks and weeks and had


           18              people scanned.  What about the lawsuit that


           19              you had with the website that the taxpayers


           20              are paying.  Nancy Krake asked that question


           21              last week but I didn't hear an answer.  The


           22              taxpayers are paying.


           23                      MS. GATELLI: I'll answer all of this


           24              in motions.


           25                      MS. FRANUS: Well, I'm asking you to






            1              answer it now.  Are you -- are you --


            2              because I can answer you what you are


            3              saying.  We went to Court and you didn't say


            4              anything.  You were filing as a private


            5              citizen and the taxpayers are paying for it.


            6                      MS. GATELLI: No, they are not.


            7                      MS. FRANUS:  Yes, they are.


            8                      MS. GATELLI: No, they are not.


            9                      MS. FRANUS: Okay.  Well --


           10                      MS. GATELLI: They are not paying for


           11              the private action, and I was sued first,


           12              Mrs. Franus.  It's a countersuit.


           13                      MS. FRANUS:  But here's my point --


           14                      MS. GATELLI:  They are not paying my


           15              private lawsuit.  No, they are not.


           16                      MS. FRANUS: Way back then --


           17                      MS. GATELLI: You are lying again.


           18                      MS. FRANUS: I'm not lying.


           19                      MS. GATELLI: You are lying because


           20              it's not true.


           21                      MS. FRANUS:  Well, maybe it isn't,


           22              but we will find out.  Maybe I'm wrong and I


           23              will find out.


           24                      MS. GATELLI: Well --


           25                      MS. FRANUS: I may even admit that.






            1              That could be true.


            2                      MS. GATELLI:  Mr. Minora will tell


            3              you, you can't pay for a private action.


            4                      MS. FRANUS:  Okay, that's fine.


            5                      MS. GATELLI: Not true.


            6                      MS. FRANUS:  Okay.  I'll go along


            7              with that, but my point is this, all those


            8              things that were said in that website that


            9              you had so distraught they are still saying


           10              them on the website every day --


           11                      MS. GATELLI: No, they are not.  No,


           12              they are not.


           13                      MS. FRANUS: Well --


           14                      MS. GATELLI: They don't have guns on


           15              there with heads blowing off.


           16                      MS. FRANUS:  That's just an avatar.


           17                      MS. GATELLI: I don't have any more


           18              broken windshields and I have no more flat


           19              tires.


           20                      MS. FRANUS: The people still feel


           21              the same way about you, Judy.


           22                      MS. GATELLI:  Yes, I know, and you


           23              probably one of the posters on there.


           24                      MS. FRANUS: Well, there we go.


           25                      MS. GATELLI: So you are defending






            1              bullying people.


            2                      MS. FRANUS:  This is freedom of


            3              speech.


            4                      MS. GATELLI: You are defending


            5              bullying people.


            6                      MS. FRANUS: I'm defending freedom of


            7              speech.


            8                      MS. GATELLI: Douglas said about


            9              bullies, well, that was what happened to


           10              me --


           11                      MS. FRANUS: See, this is what you --


           12                      MS. GATELLI: And people came to the


           13              podium to the defend that.  They thought it


           14              was okay to have a gun on there blowing my


           15              head off.


           16                      MS. FRANUS:  And you were blowing


           17              that out of proportion.  It's an --


           18                      MS. GATELLI:  No, I'm not.


           19                      MS. FRANUS: Yes, you are.  The


           20              avatar is on there, that doesn't mean


           21              anything.  That doesn't mean anything.


           22                      MS. GATELLI:  Well, the district


           23              attorney and the chief of police thought it


           24              was.


           25                      MS. FRANUS:  Well, they are all






            1              wrong.  These are avatars.  There is other


            2              avatars on there that --


            3                      MS. GATELLI:  I know.  Everyone is


            4              wrong.


            5                      MS. FRANUS: No, you are wrong.


            6                      MS. GATELLI: Everyone is wrong.


            7                      MS. FRANUS: You are the reason we


            8              had the 25 percent increase in the NCC where


            9              people may lose their homes --


           10                      MS. GATELLI:  The city budget is


           11              only 17 percent.  The school board --


           12                      MS. FRANUS:  Judy, how about NCC


           13              that you voted for and people may lose their


           14              homes for.


           15                      MS. GATELLI: People -- no one lost


           16              their homes.


           17                      MS. FRANUS: Doesn't mean they're not


           18              going to.  How about the lines that they


           19              painted because you voted for that?


           20                      MS. GATELLI: No one has lost their


           21              homes.  You are lying again, Mrs. Franus.


           22              Why are you lying?


           23                      MS. FRANUS: I'm an --


           24                      MS. GATELLI: -- is that why you're


           25              lying?






            1                      MS. FRANUS: I'm not lying.


            2                      (Whereupon part of the following


            3              exchange between Mrs. Gatelli and Mrs.


            4              Franus became unreportable.)


            5                      MS. GATELLI: Why are you


            6              discrediting me --


            7                      MS. FRANUS: You know --


            8                      MS. GATELLI:  You discredit me in


            9              this community --


           10                      MS. FRANUS: Because --


           11                      MS. GATELLI: I volunteered for 28


           12              years of my life --


           13                      MS. FRANUS: Janet Evans and Gary


           14              DiBileo --


           15                      MS. GATELLI: -- because you say so


           16              about me --


           17                      MS. FRANUS: -- every part they went


           18              to you sit up on the stage and griped your


           19              hands with them.


           20                      MS. GATELLI: I would have been --


           21                      (Whereupon the exchange between Mrs.


           22              Gatelli and Mrs. Franus became


           23              unreportable.)


           24                      MS. GATELLI: They are liars.


           25                      MS. FRANUS: And you are liar because






            1              you said you were with Janet and Gary and


            2              you never were.  You were with Mayor Doherty


            3              all along.  You just wanted to get the


            4              votes.


            5                      MS. GATELLI: No, I wasn't.  No, I


            6              wasn't.


            7                      MR. FRANUS: You want to see the


            8              videos of any of those parties?


            9                      MS. GATELLI: I'm on my own, Mrs.


           10              Franus.


           11                      MS. FRANUS: Then why were you at


           12              every at party with Janet and Gary?


           13                      MS. GATELLI: I was --


           14                      MS. FRANUS: You weren't there then.


           15                      MS. GATELLI: The commercial --


           16                      MS. FRANUS: But you voted for


           17              everything Mayor Doherty wanted.


           18                      MS. GATELLI: Yeah, because it helps


           19              the community.


           20                      MS. FRANUS: Raising the taxes is


           21              helping the community when you had 12


           22              million dollars in the --


           23                      MS. GATELLI: -- 55 a month --


           24                      MS. FRANUS:  But you got a service,


           25              Mrs. Gatelli.  You got a service.  You are






            1              getting water for that money.  What are we


            2              getting for the taxes that we are paying?


            3              Nothing.  That you give us.  You.  25


            4              percent and the NCC and everything else, all


            5              of the borrowing, and what about that, Mrs.


            6              Gatelli?


            7                      MS. GATELLI: How about all of the


            8              money that Mr. DiBileo borrowed.


            9                      MS. FRANUS: What kind of service --


           10              who?


           11                      MS. GATELLI: Mr. DiBileo.  He


           12              borrowed a lot of money.


           13                      MS. FRANUS: I'm talking about you.


           14              I'm not saying that was right.


           15                      MS. GATELLI: Yeah, I know you are


           16              talking about me.


           17                      MS. FRANUS: Gary DiBileo should not


           18              have done that either and I agree.


           19                      MS. GATELLI: Well, he did?


           20                      MS. FRANUS: Well, and he shouldn't


           21              have and I absolutely agree.


           22                      MS. GATELLI: He was here a lot


           23              longer than I was.


           24                      MS. FRANUS: And I agree with you.


           25                      MS. GATELLI: And Mr. Courtright






            1              borrowed it, to.


            2                      MS. FRANUS: And you should not have


            3              either.  I agree completely.  None of you


            4              should have, and I don't think you should


            5              have ever been elected.


            6                      MS. GATELLI: The federal government


            7              shouldn't borrow it either, I guess.


            8                      MS. FRANUS:  No, we are talking


            9              about the city where I live.  We --


           10                      MS. GATELLI: Thank you, Mrs. Franus.


           11                      MS. FRANUS: But Mr. Dave Gervasi


           12              spoke for a long time after --


           13                      MS. GATELLI: Thank you.


           14                      MS. FRANUS: And this woman Phyllis


           15              talked after, but there is another example,


           16              of the way you ware.  Every time there's a


           17              ruckus you say, you're done now, but


           18              everybody else can speak as long as they


           19              want.  That's just an example of your


           20              rudeness to people.  That's just the Judy is


           21              back.  The sugar and lightness is gone.


           22              Thank God the real Judy Gatelli is shining


           23              through again.  This is what the people need


           24              to see before they go to vote so they will


           25              not vote for you.






            1                      MS. GATELLI: They know who you are


            2              working for, Mrs. Franus.


            3                      MS. FRANUS: I'm not working for


            4              anyone but myself and my tax bill?  What?


            5                      MS. GATELLI: They know that you are


            6              told to come here and do this.  Thank you


            7              very much.


            8                      MS. FRANUS: Nobody makes me do


            9              anything, Mrs. Gatelli.


           10                      MS. GATELLI:  Thank you very much.


           11              Mr. Ancherani, it's your turn.


           12                      MS. FRANUS:  Thank you very much.


           13                      MS. GARVEY: I'm sorry to interrupt,


           14              but if we can please be considerate of the


           15              court reporter that's here trying to take


           16              the minutes so she can't keep up.


           17                      MR. ANCHERANI: Good evening.  Nelson


           18              Ancherani, First Amendment rights.  Last


           19              week Ms. Fanucci made your statement and I


           20              have to admit my head is still spinning.  I


           21              had to get council minutes just to see what


           22              I missed during her remarks.  I had intended


           23              to rebut her statements line by line, but it


           24              had me confused.  I figured I would pick out


           25              what I thought she was talking about.  She






            1              said something about we are not going to be


            2              okay, that we should be running for our


            3              lives.  She said that twice.  I think she


            4              was trying to say that we, the police and


            5              fire, are using scare tactics and it is like


            6              it was four years ago during the election


            7              year.  Crime did increase in four years, it


            8              got worse.  It's reality.  Who is trying to


            9              scare who?  We don't live in the land of


           10              make believe, we live in Scranton, the city


           11              with approximately $300 million long-term


           12              debt.


           13                      Evidently, Mrs. Fanucci was not


           14              listening when Mr. Gervasi read from


           15              numerous slime's articles where our mayor


           16              said he was going to reduce the fire


           17              department personnel and close two fire


           18              houses or engine companies and build


           19              superstations.  The excerpts are from the


           20              last eight years.  How are they scare


           21              tactics now?  They are reality.  People


           22              should be concerned.  Close the firehouse in


           23              your neighborhood and it will increase the


           24              time it takes for fire apparatus to get to a


           25              fire in that neighborhood.  It will also






            1              drive your fire insurance up.


            2                      There is a reason there is a


            3              question on your fire insurance policy


            4              asking how far away your home is from a fire


            5              hydrant or fire station.  Again, that is not


            6              scare tactics that is reality.  Reality.


            7              And after a certain day in May I believe you


            8              will see for yourselves.


            9                      And should I look into the camera


           10              when I say that like Mrs. Fanucci does it's


           11              not scare tactics it's reality.  As for the


           12              rest of what Ms. Fanucci said I'm really


           13              dizzy from trying to understand it.


           14                      MS. FANUCCI:  It's okay.  You'll


           15              recover.


           16                      MS. ANCHERANI: We used to have a


           17              riddler on the police force, but I believe


           18              the riddler was transferred to council.  I


           19              will pick what I thought she was referring


           20              to and talk about that.  As for her many


           21              figures on a health care copays, they are


           22              all lower than what we are paying now.  A


           23              family plan is up to $110 from $34 a pay.  A


           24              300 percent increase.


           25                      MS. FANUCCI:  I gave a weekly.  I






            1              gave a weekly.


            2                      MR. ANCHERANI: Single is up to 31


            3              from $8 a pay -- it still doesn't match it,


            4              from $8 a pay.  A 400 percent increase in


            5              husband and wife is up to 44 from $4.50 a


            6              pay, an $1,100 increase -- I'm sorry,


            7              1,100 percent increase.  She showed me a


            8              paper with figures on it, but they did not


            9              match what we are paying.  I don't know


           10              where you got those figures from since we,


           11              the police union, have been trying to get


           12              them from the city since 2003.  It appears


           13              the city just grabbed figures out of the


           14              air, but they are no good since the Health


           15              Care Committee hasn't met before the city


           16              came up with their figures.


           17                      With the high figures the city is


           18              using, it only convinces me that the city is


           19              trying to get the active workers to pay the


           20              retired person's health care which is the


           21              city's responsibility.  You have to admit,


           22              she has a way of distracting us away from


           23              the issues like how are we going to make up


           24              that 5.5 million plugged into our 2009


           25              budget from the Single Tax Office.  Will our






            1              taxes be raised 25 percent by Ms. Fanucci,


            2              Mrs. Gatelli and Mr. McGoff?  What about the


            3              missing two million from the Single Tax


            4              Office?  Why were 23 accounts merged into a


            5              single account?  Isn't that breaking a state


            6              law and what is the being done about it?  Is


            7              the city asking for a formal investigation


            8              into the missing money and why state law has


            9              been violated with the combining of the


           10              accounts.


           11                      Has the district attorney been asked


           12              to investigate?  Has the Attorney General


           13              been asked to investigate since state law


           14              has been violated?  Where is the fiduciary


           15              responsibility of these parties when it


           16              comes down to protecting the city taxpayers


           17              who have been subjected to a 250 percent tax


           18              increase which we still continue to pay all


           19              of the while 12.2 million was hidden in this


           20              account.  Taxpayers deserve answers.  But,


           21              no, they demand answers.  Thank you.


           22                      MS. GATELLI: Anyone else?  Mrs.


           23              Fanucci?


           24                      MS. FANUCCI:  Yes.  Obviously, I'm


           25              going to take off where Mr. Ancherani left






            1              off for us and, no, it's not a gotcha.  It


            2              is the facts and I am presenting exactly


            3              what I received as facts and that is what


            4              I'm going to do.


            5                      So, the fact is that, yes, we did


            6              not settle our contracts, but the unions did


            7              get to use their existing contracts for


            8              seven years while we were in litigation.


            9              The arbitration they got to use included


           10              some of these benefits, and I'm going to


           11              read some of these:


           12                      The actual overtime costs, and I'm


           13              going to do this again for 2007, was


           14              $621,649.38.  Overtime in 2008, $712,350.33.


           15              I'll write this down for you.  Te contracts


           16              that these -- that have been complaining


           17              about were good contracts.  That's why they


           18              stuck around.  They didn't fight because


           19              they were a bad contract, and I will look in


           20              the camera any time I want to look into the


           21              camera because I'm speaking to everyone out


           22              there not just the people in this room.


           23              This is about the taxpayers and it's their


           24              money.  It's their money, not just the ten


           25              people who come here, so I will speak to






            1              them all of the time.


            2                      The salary plus overtime plus


            3              longevity, longevity pay is 2 percent every


            4              two years you get 2 percent of your salary


            5              added on.


            6                      MR. GERVASI: One.


            7                      MS. FANUCCI:  That happens -- it's 1


            8              percent every year, but you don't get it


            9              until it's 2 percent which is the two years.


           10                      MS. GERVASI:  One percent every two


           11              years.


           12                      MS. FANUCCI: One percent every two


           13              years.


           14                      MR. GERVASI: Please.


           15                      MS. GATELLI:  Excuse me.


           16                      MS. FANUCCI: Okay, let's go into the


           17              figures because they really want to -- so


           18              let's do this.  Let's go, okay.  If you're a


           19              deputy chief and you work for the fire


           20              department your base salary might be


           21              $42,498.83.  With your overtime pay, with an


           22              average now, this is just an average, you


           23              are making an extra $1,850.68 as an average


           24              overtime pay.  Your average longevity for


           25              your deputy chief is $4,430.45.  If we take






            1              together our base wage, well, no, let's not


            2              even talk about base wage, let's just do


            3              overtime and longevity, you are getting


            4              $6,236.13 over your base pay.  There is only


            5              one deputy chief.


            6                      So let's go to an assistant chief,


            7              assistant chief with an average overtime pay


            8              and an average longevity pay they are making


            9              $8,000 -- 8,363.56, that's with overtime and


           10              longevity.  There are four of them.


           11                      Fire inspectors, there are two of


           12              them.  Their average overtime pay $1,244.10,


           13              let's add that with their longevity


           14              $4,209.26 for an average of $5,453.36.


           15                      So, my theory is you are at home,


           16              yes, they did not get a cost of living


           17              increase.  It's terrible.  It's awful, but


           18              would you consider an extra $5,000 or $4,000


           19              or $6,000 in your pay extra money?


           20              Longevity is just for the amount of time


           21              that you have been here.  There is no other


           22              reason for it.  Overtime I could see.  You


           23              work overtime, but also remember in these


           24              contracts when you work overtime because of


           25              the contracts we can't as a city cut costs






            1              like you could in a business.  Why?  Because


            2              in the contracts you have to pay time and a


            3              half or holiday time for every overtime.


            4                      Now, in an outside business you can


            5              say, "et's have a part-timer come in.  Let's


            6              have them come in, it won't cost us health


            7              care insurance and it also won't cost us


            8              quite as much money because we won't have to


            9              pay time and a half."


           10                      You can't do that here.  This is why


           11              our overtime is $700,000 and that is why --


           12                      MR. GERVASI: It's $700,000 because


           13              they got rid of people.


           14                      MS. GATELLI: Mr. Gervasi.


           15                      MS. FANUCCI: Well, you're --


           16                      MS. GATELLI: Mr. Gervasi --


           17                      MR. GERVASI:  I'm not going to sit


           18              here, Mrs. Gatelli, and listen to her lie


           19              and Lisa Moran is --


           20                      MS. GATELLI: Mr. Gervasi, you are


           21              out of the order.


           22                      MR. GERVASI: The overtime is


           23              $700,000 because --


           24                      MS. GATELLI: Please -


           25                      MR. GERVASI: -- because they laid






            1              off --


            2                      MS. GATELLI: Please, Mr. Gervasi.


            3                      MR. GERVASI: -- they laid off 50


            4              firefighters.


            5                      MS. FANUCCI: This is what they want,


            6              the fear tactics.


            7                      MS. GATELLI: Mr. Gervasi, please.


            8                      MS. FANUCCI: This is in the


            9              contract, this is not made up.  It certainly


           10              isn't something I pulled out of my hat -- -


           11                      MR. GERVASI:  The state did it.


           12                      MS. FANUCCI: This is where ---


           13                      MS. GATELLI: Mr. Gervasi, please.


           14                      MS. FANUCCI:  This is where this was


           15              worth the fight on both sides, so when you


           16              are out there and you're feeling bad for one


           17              side or the other, I had said this from day


           18              one this fight was not ending until we got


           19              at the end of the rope which was in Court.


           20              Why?  There was two much on both sides.  Am


           21              I saying it's wrong?  No.  Am I saying you


           22              don't deserve it?  No.  But I'm saying it


           23              was going to be a fight and it was going to


           24              be a dog fight and whether or not you feel


           25              bad and you think the administration is






            1              right or you think the firefighters are


            2              right this was not ending until we got to


            3              the end of the rope.  Now we are there.  Now


            4              there is a contract, right, a Court-ordered


            5              contact.  You don't see the litigation


            6              stopping.  You don't see the fighting


            7              stopping.  You didn't see anybody saying,


            8              you know what, now we are making more money


            9              and plus we still are doing okay because,


           10              you, know when you look at the salaries they


           11              are making more money now.  You don't see


           12              anybody stopping, it's still in Court.


           13                      MR. GERVASI: Because the city is in


           14              contempt.


           15                      MS. FANUCCI:  It is still in court.


           16                      MR. GERVASI:  Because the city is in


           17              contempt.


           18                      MS. GATELLI: Mr. Gervasi.


           19                      MS. FANUCCI: And it will not stop


           20              until it's at the last level.  All I am


           21              saying is if you think that this is one side


           22              or another you are absolutely wrong.  These


           23              are huge figures.  This is a lot of money


           24              and that is why this fight will continue.


           25              That's it.  Like it or not.






            1                      Week after week I hear everybody


            2              blaming the health care, oh, now it's the


            3              consultant, right?  We have the wrong


            4              consultant, this is the money we were saving


            5              whatever.  Health care has gone up so much


            6              for every person at home.  Every single


            7              person knows that they are working for their


            8              health care.  That's it.  If they could keep


            9              their family covered they are happy.  So if


           10              you honestly believe that that -- in a big


           11              city that we are going to honestly think


           12              that this health care should be down to $5


           13              or $11 is too much to pay a pay people would


           14              be thrilled at home to pay $11 a pay to have


           15              health care.  Thrilled to death.  So whether


           16              you like it or not, you can come up here and


           17              you can bash me all you want, you can yell,


           18              you can say my fingers aren't good, whatever


           19              you want to do, because you know you are


           20              going to do it because you have to do it.


           21              You have been doing it for eight years.  You


           22              have to keep to doing it.  It's okay.


           23                      MR. GERVASI:  Maybe --


           24                      MS. FANUCCI: We understand why.  We


           25              understand why.  When you come up they're






            1              facts, when everybody comes up they're


            2              wrong.


            3                      MR. GERVASI: You're wrong.


            4                      MS. FANUCCI: So I'm going to make a


            5              motion today that we get Stu Renda in here


            6              to come in, sit down with all of the


            7              figures, show us exactly what's been going


            8              on since day one.  I want to know what


            9              people make, overtime, what they're doing,


           10              how much health care is and I want it all


           11              displayed here, and I don't care when it


           12              happens, I don't care if it's in the next


           13              two weeks or the next four weeks, whenever


           14              we could do it.  I'd like to have a Power


           15              Point presentation if he can put it together


           16              so people at home can watch it on TV and


           17              then we'll put an end to this he said, she


           18              said, they said, whatever because it is out


           19              of control.


           20                      And when you have people come up


           21              here like we have tonight and, Fay, I'm not


           22              sure you are going to be here next week


           23              after I talk about you, it was obviously


           24              political.  She went in a whole speech about


           25              somebody who are ran, who ran with them,






            1              when they decided to change their mind and


            2              how your loyalty should be.  It's not about


            3              loyalty, it's about belief systems and it's


            4              about working together and whether you like


            5              it or not she could have ran with me, she


            6              could have ran with Bill, but at the end of


            7              it all you need to work with whoever is here


            8              to get what's needed to be done for the


            9              people who are out there.  Saying no all of


           10              the time does not help one person, not one


           11              person in this city.  Saying no, no, no, no,


           12              no all it is is a standstill, so you are


           13              wrong by believing that your council should


           14              be sitting hear saying no to everything


           15              because the only people who are going to


           16              suffer are your taxpayers.  You need to sit


           17              down and battle it out and decide a good


           18              reason and good way to proceed and a good


           19              cure and that's what it's about.


           20                      So when you are up here every week


           21              saying, "You should stop this, you should


           22              stop that," no.  No.  You shouldn't stop


           23              anything.  You should try to work it out and


           24              find a way to help the people out there.  I


           25              can't imagine that after all of this time






            1              that we are still going to talk about who


            2              ran with who and who did what and who said


            3              what.  People are out there, they are


            4              suffering.  They need jobs.  Whether you


            5              like the type of jobs they have we need


            6              them.  If it's a coffee shop, if it's a


            7              flower shop, we need every job in this city


            8              so that people can go and work, so they can


            9              take care of their families.  Look around


           10              this country.  People cannot support their


           11              families.  For some reason you think we are


           12              any different than anyone else.  The


           13              difference is we are actually working and we


           14              have people who are going to work.  That's


           15              the difference.  Maybe our -- you know, we


           16              are not where we need to be, I agree we will


           17              never be where we need to be, but at least


           18              we are trying and we are working hard and


           19              making jobs.  Whether they are not high


           20              enough for you, I agree.  I would love to


           21              get everybody -- I would love everybody in


           22              the city to get a $100,000 job a year I wish


           23              we could, but reality is that is not the way


           24              life is.  People cannot all -- aren't


           25              qualified for $100,000 a year job.  I






            1              certainly am not.  People aren't.  So you


            2              take a job at the level you are qualified


            3              for.  The thing is we need to make sure they


            4              are here.


            5                      You can come up and bash me every


            6              week, you know, on the website which I love


            7              that actually people come up and defend this


            8              website that does nothing but say how bad we


            9              are anonymously, you know, hiding behind


           10              their little fake names and saying, you


           11              know, this one or that one last week they


           12              were -- from what I've heard because I won't


           13              go on anymore, but they bashed my family for


           14              being strong women.  Bashed my family.  The


           15              Skatinos are bad people.  Their women should


           16              take their meatballs and go home was a quote


           17              on this website that all of the union


           18              leaders get up and talk about like it's a


           19              good thing.  Every one of you on this


           20              website talking about my family.


           21                      MR. GERVASI:  I never talk about


           22              your family.


           23                      MS. FANUCCI: You are the only --


           24              Nancy did.  Ancherani quotes it --


           25                      MR. GERVASI: You --






            1                      MS. FANUCCI: Just because you don't


            2              talk about it --


            3                      MR. GERVASI: Please stop talking for


            4              just a minute.


            5                      MS. FANUCCI: Kiss them in the back


            6              room.  Come on, enough is enough.  I'll play


            7              your game, but on this website they said you


            8              all of these things about my family who have


            9              been in small business here their whole


           10              entire lives, their whole entire lives.


           11              Entrepreneurs.  Every one of them had


           12              businesses in this city and they love this


           13              city and they love the people here and


           14              that's why I have been doing what I have


           15              been doing.  That's why I put up with all of


           16              this week after week.  They said we should


           17              take our meatballs and go home.  You know


           18              why they said that because they don't have a


           19              set of their own.  They don't.  They hide


           20              behind their fake names and they go on their


           21              website and they talk to each other back and


           22              forth and they talk to themselves and they


           23              do nothing about spawn hate and constantly,


           24              constantly say negative things about people


           25              in this city.  Everyone.  There isn't anyone






            1              they spare, so it's not like they get along,


            2              they only get along with each other.


            3                      I am not -- yes.  You, too.  Yes.


            4              You, too.  You have been on there and you


            5              have talked about it, also so don't look


            6              confused.  You have been there also, you


            7              have talked about it on here putting up with


            8              the website and thinking it's a good thing.


            9                      MS. HUMPHRIES: No, I don't know how


           10              to you use the website.


           11                      MS. FANUCCI: I'm not talking about


           12              you, Phyllis.  So this is what is going to


           13              happen for the next few weeks.  This is your


           14              wonderful council in session, but I am


           15              telling you right now I'm not going to stop


           16              saying what I need to say.  I am very happy


           17              with what I'm saying.  I'm telling you facts


           18              that aren't really pretty facts sometimes


           19              and when you are sitting home a lot of these


           20              facts aren't going to make you feel real


           21              comfortable because you don't have these


           22              options.  You don't have this.  You don't


           23              have this -- you don't have longevity pay.


           24              You don't get an extra $4,000 in your


           25              paycheck just for being there.  I certainly






            1              don't either.  So I understand that this is


            2              going to be a tough ride, and I'm sorry that


            3              it has to be this way, but it is what it is.


            4              It's time for all of the truth to come out


            5              not just some of it.  Thank you.


            6                      MR. MINORA: Excuse me.  Excuse me,


            7              Mrs. Fanucci, you started to make a motion


            8              about Mr. Renda.


            9                      MS. FANUCCI:  I'm sorry.  Yes.  That


           10              Mr. Renda comes in and then he does a


           11              presentation on what the salaries are, what


           12              the health care cost is, what it was, and


           13              what it is now and how much we are paying a


           14              city per person and how much the people are


           15              contributing.


           16                      MS. GATELLI: I'll second that


           17              motion.


           18                      MS. FANUCCI: Thank you.


           19                      MS. GATELLI: On the question?


           20                      MR. COURTRIGHT: On the question, I


           21              think Mr. Renda coming in, just Mr. Renda,


           22              isn't going to solve anything.  I think if


           23              Mr. Renda is going to come in you are going


           24              to have three unions and their


           25              representatives --






            1                      MS. FANUCCI: Why?  They are tax --


            2              the had time to speak on --


            3                      MR. COURTRIGHT: It's my turn to talk


            4              now.


            5                      MS. FANUCCI: Okay.  Go ahead.


            6                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Because he is going


            7              to come in and say anything, and then they


            8              are going the next week and say he is wrong,


            9              if we are going to have them in let's have


           10              all sides in, let them do their


           11              presentation, give them whatever minutes


           12              they need.  Give Mr. Renda twenty minutes,


           13              allow the union twenty minutes if they are


           14              going to do a power point, let them do a


           15              power point, because Mr. Renda is going to


           16              come in and say something and we all know


           17              what he says they are going to dispute.


           18                      MS. FANUCCI: Well, facts are facts


           19              and figures are in the budget.  I mean,


           20              logically --


           21                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Well, that's his


           22              interpretation, and, no, I've heard facts


           23              and their interpretation, so let's be fair.


           24                      MS. FANUCCI: All right.  Well, wait,


           25              let me ask you this, Bill, we weren't fair






            1              when we had them come in the last two times


            2              by themselves.  They came in, we had the


            3              union representative come in and speak and


            4              give a whole presentation and we didn't have


            5              Stu here.


            6                      MS. GATELLI:  Twice he came.


            7                      MS. FANUCCI:  Twice he came.  Twice.


            8                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I just think it's


            9              not fair.


           10                      MS. FANUCCI: So why is that any


           11              different?  Why is this any different?  I'm


           12              looking for figures.  I'm looking for facts,


           13              what is paid out.  We are not talking about


           14              a he said, she said.  They know what they


           15              pay.  So we had them in here twice.  We had


           16              them in here twice, let's have Stu and maybe


           17              he can come twice and then we'll have the


           18              union back again.


           19                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I just don't think


           20              it's going to accomplish anything if we have


           21              just the one side here and that's my


           22              opinion.


           23                      MS. FANUCCI:  Well, we have already


           24              done that so now --


           25                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Okay.  Have the






            1              vote.


            2                      MS. FANUCCI: Okay.


            3                      MS. GATELLI: All in favor?


            4                      MS. FANUCCI: Aye.


            5                      MS. GATELLI: Aye.  Opposed?


            6                      MR. COURTRIGHT: No.  I don't know


            7              where to start here.  I had brought up a few


            8              weeks back that I had several complaints


            9              about Washburn Street.  I think I mentioned


           10              before that last year we had several roads


           11              paved because the utilities tore them up and


           12              they are obligated to pave the entire road


           13              if they tear up a certain percentage and


           14              they paved Washburn Street, the full length


           15              of it, it was coming apart in the center


           16              where they seamed it, so I spoke to the


           17              pave -- I think that's his title, right, the


           18              pave cut inspector and they've tarred the


           19              entire length of Washburn Street in the


           20              center and I hope that rectifies it and so


           21              I'm happy that something got done here.


           22                      I was scanning through the channels


           23              on Easter Sunday when I got home from my


           24              mom's house and the school board meeting was


           25              on and somebody asked Mr. Gilbride, who is






            1              the president of the school board, asked him


            2              a question about the audit that was done


            3              and, okay, so Mr. Jackowitz is saying it was


            4              him, if I'm incorrect then you can correct


            5              me, I believe he asked him if when


            6              Mr. Gilbride gave his authorization to pay


            7              for this audit he didn't believe it was a


            8              forensic audit and Mr. Gilbride said that he


            9              paid for a forensic audit.  So that prompted


           10              me to call Mr. Renda, and I called Mr. Renda


           11              and he called me back and I asked Mr. Renda


           12              the question -- that question.  I said,


           13              "When you signed off or whatever you had to


           14              do to pay for this audit, did you believe it


           15              was a forensic audit?"


           16                      And he said, "Yes.  That's what the


           17              city thought they were paying for was a


           18              forensic audit."


           19                      I said, "Well, when did you find out


           20              it wasn't a forensic audit?"


           21                      And he said the day they went down


           22              to the meeting at the solicitor's office


           23              with Mr. McGovern, Mr. McGoff and


           24              Mrs. Garvey he had gone down there.


           25                      And I said, "Well, you know, the






            1              papers quotes that the tax office as saying


            2              it wasn't a forensic audit, it was merely a


            3              ringing catch phrase."


            4                      And I told Mr. Renda that I -- I


            5              was-- and I haven't talked to the county so


            6              I can't speak for the county, I assume we


            7              spoke -- or listened to the school district


            8              and spoke to the city and, you know, I said


            9              I don't think it's fair that we paid for


           10              something and, you know, say we bought a


           11              vehicle and we paid for the options on that


           12              vehicle and we paid the price for the


           13              options and we didn't get them, so I don't


           14              know that it's fair that we pay for


           15              something we didn't get, and I don't believe


           16              that she should continue to pay for it.


           17                      So, I'll try to contact


           18              Mr. Gilbride, I only saw him on TV and I'll


           19              try to contact Mr. Renda to see are we


           20              continuing to pay because the newspaper said


           21              that I believe it's $134,000 and counting,


           22              so evidently we are paying more.  But, if


           23              both of those gentleman signed off on paying


           24              for a forensic audit then we should have


           25              gotten a forensic audit and, obviously, we






            1              didn't.


            2                      Moving on, I stopped at Keyser


            3              Valley Community Center last week, they were


            4              having a meeting, and something was brought


            5              to my attention.  I saw Amil left, but maybe


            6              Kay can ask him for me, they are telling me


            7              something that I wasn't aware of that if you


            8              hold a function where you need a police


            9              officer at your function like a dance or


           10              something to that affect, that you can pay


           11              the city for the police officer, which we


           12              always have, but they are saying there is an


           13              administrative fee attached to it now that I


           14              have no knowledge of an administrative fee,


           15              and the question that I wanted to ask


           16              Mr. Minora because it was asked of me and I


           17              don't know the answer to this is if they


           18              attached an administrative fee to it -- to


           19              the cost of the officer did legislation or


           20              should have legislation gone through city


           21              council if you are attaching a fee to


           22              something.  I'm guessing maybe it should


           23              have, I don't know, so maybe we can ask


           24              Mr. Minora that.  And then also, Kay, if you


           25              could do me a favor and I guess it would be






            1              to Dave Elliott ask him if there, in fact,


            2              an administrative fee because that was the


            3              first I heard about it was that night.  I


            4              was not aware of that, so if there isn't one


            5              then we don't need the answer from


            6              Mr. Minora I guess, but if there is one I


            7              certainly would like to have that answer.


            8                      So much went on here tonight I can't


            9              remember everything, but I know at some


           10              point in time somebody talked about the


           11              University of Scranton, and I'd like to say


           12              this, I asked this for all of the years I


           13              have been there and I don't think it will


           14              ever happened, but I'll ask it again that


           15              the University of Scranton gives some kind


           16              of a break, either free tuition or a break


           17              on the tuition to the people that live in


           18              this city, to the people that live in the


           19              city and families that have been paying the


           20              taxes all these years, give them some kind


           21              of a break.  I really think that that would


           22              go a long way with the citizens of this


           23              city.  I think it's gotten to the point


           24              where the price is so high a lot of people


           25              in this city can't afford to go there, so






            1              some kind of break, I would think, if your


            2              family has been a resident here for "X"


            3              amount of years, I think it's warranted.  I


            4              know I worked at Trane Corporation for years


            5              and when they closed down one of my buddies


            6              moved to Carolina because I believe if you


            7              were a residents there for a year you went


            8              to their state school for free, so I'd like


            9              to see the University do something,


           10              something to help out the people and it's


           11              not to benefit my children, they will be


           12              long gone from college by then, but


           13              everybody else that lives here and suffers


           14              throughout hard times that we have had here.


           15                      And the zoo, I have to agree with


           16              Mr. Ellman.  I think, yeah, you keep going


           17              back to a zoo and it's something you go back


           18              to time and time again.  I don't think the


           19              city can afford a zoo.  I would like to see


           20              maybe the county get involved and maybe


           21              partner with the city or -- the county has a


           22              lot more resources than the city does and


           23              maybe partner with the city and let's have a


           24              zoo up there because I think it is something


           25              that people would come here to see and the






            1              main reason I say the county also is because


            2              people enjoy whether it's the Genesis


            3              Wildlife or whatever was there before from


            4              the entire county, not just the city, but we


            5              are stuck paying a lot of the bills that


            6              people from outside of the city enjoy, so


            7              maybe the county would entertain something


            8              like that and take a look and see if they


            9              can help us out if it's feasible.  If they


           10              even have the money, I don't know.


           11                      And one last thing somebody


           12              mentioned about, you know, firefighters just


           13              sitting at the firehouse, well, I got to be


           14              honest with you, I hope that every single


           15              day of every year the firefighters are doing


           16              nothing but sitting at the firehouse because


           17              then that means somebody's house isn't on


           18              fire and to me that's a good thing, and I'll


           19              end it with that.  Thank you.


           20                      MS. GATELLI: Thank you,


           21              Mr. Courtright.  Well, we talked about


           22              having people come here and I read in an


           23              e-mail this week that we got from the tax


           24              office that they would be willing to come


           25              here and explain some more of the details of






            1              the tax report I'll call it since it really


            2              wasn't an audit, so I would like to ask Kay


            3              to have them come here possibly next week to


            4              meet with council.


            5                      MS. GARVEY: Any time?


            6                      MS. GATELLI:  I'd say probably 5:30


            7              so we will have adequate time to ask any of


            8              the questions that we can come up with for


            9              them when they get here.


           10                      I met yesterday with Representative


           11              Ken Smith and the residents of Meadow


           12              Avenue.  If you haven't realized for the


           13              past 12 years they are been trying to get


           14              sound barriers in this area of Harmond field


           15              for Route 81.  Over that 12-year period many


           16              people have promised that we would get sound


           17              barriers and for some reason PennDOT always


           18              redirected the money to a different project.


           19              If you should go to the Meadow Avenue area


           20              and sit on anyone's porch there you would


           21              hear the loud tractor trailers going by and


           22              the great amount of traffic that has


           23              increased on Route 81 over the years and the


           24              smell of diesel fuel is rather obnoxious, so


           25              Representative Smith has been working on






            1              that project and he came to one of the homes


            2              there and we were informed that Congressman


            3              Kanjorski would like to do a project in the


            4              area and was very interested in the sound


            5              barriers using some of the stimulus money


            6              for Pennsylvania, so I would like to make a


            7              motion that we send a letter to


            8              Representative Smith and to Congressman


            9              Kanjorski supporting the project of sound


           10              barriers for the Meadow Avenue area.


           11                      MS. FANUCCI: I second that.


           12                      MS. GATELLI:  On the question?  All


           13              in favor?  Aye.


           14                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.


           15                      MS. FANUCCI: Aye.


           16                      MS. GATELLI:  Thank you.  I got


           17              another e-mail from a gentleman who has a


           18              Boy Scout Troop, I'm probably going to say


           19              the wrong Boy Scout Troop, but I think it's


           20              Hickory Street, and he said that as much as


           21              people come here and say that there is a


           22              bridge to nowhere up at Nay Aug, that the


           23              bridge does go somewhere.  It goes to the


           24              other side and on the other side is where


           25              the Boy Scout Troop has cleared it out and






            1              they spend evenings there in their tents and


            2              do some of their projects, so the Boy Scouts


            3              and the Boy Scout leader are very thrilled


            4              about the bridge and they are going to be a


            5              lot more work up there this summer, so he


            6              wanted to me to report that.


            7                      I'd like to apologize for my


            8              behavior this evening, but Mrs. Franus


            9              certainly knows how to push my buttons and I


           10              was told that the last few weeks before the


           11              election she is going to come here and push


           12              my buttons and she did, and I let her so I


           13              will try to control myself, but for those of


           14              you at home it is very difficult when you


           15              are sitting here and you have to listen to


           16              things that aren't true especially when it


           17              had involved other family members.


           18                      Now, the website certainly had a gun


           19              on it and it certainly had a head blowing


           20              off.  You can go back in the archives and


           21              read the newspaper and find out what it was


           22              all about.  The district attorney was


           23              notified.  I was very frightened, yes, I


           24              will admit, something like that had never


           25              happened to me and it was bullying that's






            1              all it was and I didn't realize it at the


            2              time and I was very scared.  I had a


            3              windshield broken, I had flattened tires,


            4              sometimes I was followed.  I was talked


            5              about on the website, called all kinds of


            6              vulgar names.  My children, my grandson who


            7              is six years old was on there, it is


            8              despicable, and for people to come up here


            9              and say that's a wonderful thing you should


           10              be ashamed of yourselves every one of you.


           11              Police officers come up here that are


           12              supposed to be protecting me and you and


           13              everyone else and they defend this website


           14              where people are desecrated.  Their lives


           15              are desecrated behind names of people that


           16              are anonymous.  Well, aren't you brave.  All


           17              of you that write on there you are very


           18              brave.  You cowards.  Come here and say it.


           19              I have never done that in my life.  I say


           20              what I think to your face and any of you


           21              that know me know that.  I will tell you


           22              what I think to your face.  I don't have to


           23              go on a computer and call you a whore and


           24              call your daughters -- that your daughters


           25              have oral sex with people, that's






            1              disgusting.


            2                      So, come up here and keep saying how


            3              wonderful it is and keep kissing everyone


            4              back there when they come here and putting


            5              your little notes around giving them to


            6              people to tell them what to say when they


            7              get up here.


            8                      I have only been here three years.


            9              There were people here before me that could


           10              have done and could have changed things,


           11              they had the majority then and they didn't


           12              to it.  They borrowed money just like I did.


           13              They borrowed a lot of money.  How do you


           14              think you are going to survive in a


           15              community without borrowing money in this


           16              day and age?  We can't go bankrupt because


           17              they will raise the taxes out of the roof.


           18              They won't go up $55, they will go up $555.


           19              We only get 17 percent of your tax dollar.


           20              The rest goes to the school district and to


           21              the county and I don't see anybody going


           22              there complaining.  Why not?  Why do they


           23              only come here?  And why is it election


           24              time?  Why don't we examining all of the


           25              candidates running for office, and I think






            1              the newspaper it would behoove them to


            2              inspect criminal records of the candidates


            3              because some of them have criminal records,


            4              and we can start there.


            5                      I sat here and I did the best job I


            6              could.  I tried to do what I thought was


            7              right for the community and for my


            8              neighborhoods and I have been doing that for


            9              all of my adult life, and I know you don't


           10              like to hear that, but I'm very proud of


           11              that.  I'm very proud that I volunteered my


           12              time for my community.  Can you say the same


           13              thing, that you have done for your community


           14              for 28 years for no pay at all?  I never got


           15              paid.  Never at all.  I'm getting paid now


           16              for what I do up here, it's not a lot of


           17              money, but it helps and I donate a lot of it


           18              to charity and I'm proud of that, too.


           19                      And I'll keep fighting for my


           20              neighborhood and I'll keep fighting the


           21              slumlords that don't pay their taxes, and


           22              I'll keep fighting the drug houses and the


           23              illegal apartment conversions and I'll keep


           24              doing that even if I don't win.  I will keep


           25              fighting for my community no matter how many






            1              times you come up here and try to down me.


            2              I have a reputation in my community and I


            3              love the people here and whoever is the


            4              mayor here I would work with, whoever it is.


            5              Whoever wins the election I will sit here


            6              and I will work with.  I won't be a


            7              obstructionist and say, "Well, I wasn't on


            8              his ticket or I didn't help him, I'm not


            9              going to do whatever he wants, I'm going to


           10              go against him all of the time."


           11                      No, I'm not going to do that.


           12              Whoever is the mayor I will work with so the


           13              community can move forward, not just for my


           14              own agenda because my agenda will be the


           15              same even if I'm not here, and you can laugh


           16              all you want, Mrs. Krake, just keep on


           17              laughing.


           18                      MR. GERVASI: We are talking about


           19              something else.


           20                      MS. GATELLI: Because that's all you


           21              guys do is laugh and kibitz in the back and


           22              the camera doesn't see that.  They don't see


           23              what we have to see from up here and it is


           24              very, very difficult.  A very difficult job


           25              to be on city council to be abused and






            1              harassed on a continual basis.


            2                      MS. FANUCCI:  Only some of us.


            3                      MS. GATELLI: Only some of us, you


            4              are right.  So Mrs. Franus can come here


            5              every week until election time and harass


            6              me, that's okay.  That's perfectly all


            7              right, but I'm going to keep on doing what


            8              I'm doing for the good of my community, and


            9              I have always fought for firemen to keep my


           10              firehouse open and I have always fought for


           11              police officers on the street, so if they


           12              tell you that I didn't they are lying about


           13              that, too.  Go get all of the papers and


           14              read them and see who fought for your


           15              neighborhood fire station, and I did it


           16              again a couple of weeks ago even though they


           17              come here and criticize me I voted for it


           18              anyhow because that's what I believe in and


           19              it's hard to vote for what you believe in


           20              when they are coming here and harassing you.


           21              You want to vote against them because it's


           22              not nice to go and do that to people.  Not


           23              nice at all.  Thank you.  Mrs. Garvey?


           24                      MS. GARVEY: FIFTH ORDER.  5-B. FOR


           25              INTRODUCTION - A RESOLUTION - AUTHORIZING






            1              THE MAYOR AND OTHER APPROPRIATE CITY


            2              OFFICIALS TO EXECUTE AND ENTER INTO A






            5              ("ORGANIZATION") AND THE LACKAWANNA COUNTY


            6              DEPARTMENT OF ARTS AND CULTURE ("ARTS AND




            8              YOUTH SERVICES ("LCCYS") IN FURTHERANCE OF


            9              THE MISSION OF THE ARTS ENGAGE! PROGRAM.


           10                      MS. GATELLI: At this time I'll


           11              entertain a motion that Item 5-B be


           12              introduced into it's committee.


           13                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.


           14                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.


           15                      MS. GATELLI: On the question.  All


           16              those in favor?  Aye.


           17                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.


           18                      MS. FANUCCI: Aye.


           19                      MS. GATELLI: Opposed?  The ayes have


           20              it so moved.


           21                      MS. GARVEY: SIXTH ORDER.  6-A.


           22              READING BY TITLE - FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 62,


           23              2009 - AN ORDINANCE - CREATING AND


           24              ESTABLISHING SPECIAL CITY ACCOUNT NO.


           25              02.229590 ENTITLED "A.R.T.S. ENGAGE!  GRANT"












            4              CULTURE FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF PARKS AND




            6              PROGRAM.


            7                      MS. GATELLI: You have heard reading


            8              by title of Item 6-A, what is your pleasure?


            9                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I move that Item 6-A


           10              pass reading my title.


           11                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.


           12                      MS. GATELLI: On the question?  All


           13              those in favor?  Aye.


           14                      MS. FANUCCI: Aye.


           15                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.


           16                      MS. GATELLI: The ayes have it and so


           17              moved.


           18                      MS. GARVEY: 6-B. READING BY TITLE -


           19              FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 63, 2009 - AN ORDINANCE


           20              - AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND OTHER


           21              APPROPRIATE OFFICIALS OF THE CITY OF








           25              A.R.T.S. ENGAGE!  GRANT IN THE AMOUNT OF






            1              $34,100.00 FOR THE CITY OF SCRANTON




            3              MURALS PROGRAM.


            4                      MS. GATELLI: You have heard reading


            5              by title of Item 6-B, what is your pleasure?


            6                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  I move that Item


            7              6-B pass reading by title.


            8                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.


            9                      MS. GATELLI: On the question?


           10                      MR. COURTRIGHT: On the question,


           11              Mrs. Garvey, I know Mrs. Evans raised some


           12              questions on this last week and I can't


           13              remember what they were, but someone had


           14              mentioned sometimes to me when we have


           15              nonprofits, I don't know to get the


           16              hospitals mad at me, such as a hospital that


           17              the CEO makes an exorbitant amount of money,


           18              can we just see what the salary is for


           19              whoever?  I'm not even quite sure, what's


           20              the name of this group?


           21                      MS. GATELLI: It's Children and


           22              Youth, Lackawanna County Children and Youth.


           23                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Is that who it's


           24              going through?


           25                      MS. GATELLI:  Yes.






            1                      MS. FANUCCI: Yes.


            2                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Is there another


            3              organization?  Is it just Children and


            4              Youth?


            5                      MS. GATELLI: Yeah, Children and


            6              Youth for both, for all of these.  Arts


            7              Engaged Program.  I'm sure they are going to


            8              get --


            9                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So Children and


           10              Youth governs the arts --


           11                      MS. GATELLI: Yes.


           12                      MR. COURTRIGHT: -- program, they


           13              will be running it?


           14                      MS. GATELLI: Yes, through the


           15              county.


           16                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Then I don't need to


           17              ask that question the, I'm sorry.


           18                      MS. GATELLI: Anyone else on the


           19              question?  All in favor?


           20                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.


           21                      MS. FANUCCI: Aye.


           22                      MS GATELLI: Aye.  Opposed?  The ayes


           23              have it and so moved.  Motion to adjourn.


           24                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.


           25                      MS. GARVEY: Seventh order there was






            1              no business.


            2                      MS. GATELLI: Motion to adjourn.


            3                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.






















































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            5        I hereby certify that the proceedings and


            6   evidence are contained fully and accurately in the


            7   notes of testimony taken by me at the hearing of the


            8   above-captioned matter and that the foregoing is a true


            9   and correct transcript of the same to the best of my


           10   ability.







                                    CATHENE S. NARDOZZI, RPR

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