2             SCRANTON CITY COUNCIL MEETING








            6                          HELD:




            8                  Monday, March 16, 2009




           10                        LOCATION:


           11                    Council Chambers


           12                 Scranton City Hall


           13              340 North Washington Avenue


           14                Scranton, Pennsylvania











































                MS. JANET E. EVANS



           10   MS. SHERRY FANUCCI



                MR. WILLIAM COURTRIGHT (Not present.)



           13   MS. KAY GARVEY, CITY CLERK






           16   MR. AMIL MINORA, SOLICITOR
























            1   (Pledge of Allegiance recited and moment of reflection


            2   observed.)


            3                      MR. MCGOFF:  Roll call, please


            4                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.


            5                      MS. EVANS:  Here.


            6                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Gatelli.


            7                      MS. GATELLI:  Here.


            8                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.


            9                      MS. FANUCCI:  Here.


           10                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. Courtright.


           11                      (Mr. Courtright not present.)


           12                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF:  Here.  Let the record


           14              reflect that Mr. Courtright was unavailable


           15              this evening when we moved the meeting to


           16              Monday night.  He indicated that due to a


           17              prior work commitment he would not be able


           18              to make it.  Dispense with the reading of


           19              the minutes.


           20                      MS. GARVEY:  THIRD ORDER.  3-A.  TAX




           22              THE SINGLE TAX OFFICE ON MARCH 10, 2009.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF: Are there any comments?


           24              If not, received and filed.


           25                      MS. GARVEY: That's it for Third






            1              Order.


            2                      MR. MCGOFF: Announcements, Council?


            3                      MS. GATELLI:  Yes.  This Thursday


            4              evening the Scranton School District has a


            5              community movies for children and they will


            6              having Madagascar II at 6:30 in Scranton


            7              High School auditorium, that's this


            8              Thursday.


            9                      This Saturday, March 21, at St.


           10              Joseph's Church in Minooka the Mountainview


           11              Care Center Auxiliary is having their


           12              macaroni dinner.  It is from 4 to 7 and it's


           13              $7.00.


           14                      We attended a conference from


           15              Governor Rendell last week at Scranton High


           16              School, and the crux of the discussion was


           17              the stimulus money that is coming to the


           18              State of Pennsylvania.  I have a brochure


           19              here that maybe Jeremy might want to look at


           20              to put in the paper, but for anyone out


           21              there who has lost their job or their health


           22              care looking for any type of heating


           23              assistance or rent rebates, etcetera, they


           24              have been extended in Pennsylvania for a


           25              longer period of time.  They are going to be






            1              having a very important community meeting


            2              for dislocated workers at Boscov's


            3              auditorium on Tuesday, March 31, from 10 to


            4              2, and everyone will be there.  This will


            5              help you with heating, weatherization, food


            6              assistance, avoiding foreclosure, utility


            7              assistance, food assistance and job and


            8              health care searches.  So it's really


            9              important that anyone who is having a


           10              problem can attend this session.


           11                      The audit report is going to be


           12              given to the stakeholders on Friday morning


           13              at 10:00 in Mr. John McGovern's Office.


           14              Someone from council will be represented at


           15              that meeting, I believe it will be McGoff,


           16              because Mrs. Evans and I would and so does


           17              Mrs. Fanucci, so I think Bob will go for us,


           18              but it will be 10:00 this Friday, and we'll


           19              have our audit report.


           20                      St. Patrick's Dy parade had a race,


           21              a two-mile foot race, and I'd like to


           22              congratulate the winner, it was a Scranton


           23              resident, 19-year-old Jeremy Evans, son of


           24              Wayne Evans, South Side Resident's


           25              Association president, and I'd like to






            1              congregate Jeremy great late germ me.  He is


            2              a fresh man at the University and he is on


            3              the cross country team.


            4                      MR. MCGOFF: I didn't win?


            5                      MS. GATELLI:  You didn't win, Bob,


            6              but congratulations for being in it.  And


            7              the last thing, I would just like to say


            8              anyone interested in attending the Ethanol


            9              plant meeting it will be Wednesday, this


           10              Wednesday, March 18th at 5:30, at Smith's


           11              Restaurant.  We will be getting a


           12              presentation from Mr. Scheller, who is the


           13              president of Northeast Ethanol, so anyone


           14              especially that lives in that particular


           15              area, South Scranton or West Scranton abuts


           16              the property.  You certainly are welcome to


           17              attend and I also have petitions with me if


           18              anyone with like to sign the petition that


           19              we are going to be presenting, and that's


           20              all I have.  Thank you.


           21                      MR. MCGOFF: Mrs. Evans?


           22                      MS. EVANS: Please remember in your


           23              prayers all of those who have died,


           24              particularly Keith Dearoff, a retired


           25              lieutenant in the Scranton Fire Department






            1              who served our city for 29 years with


            2              dedication and compassion.  Eileen McGinty


            3              Mulrine, mother of firefighter Larry


            4              Mulrine, and my great colleague Gary at


            5              Scranton High School and all their dear


            6              families and friends they leave behind.


            7                      Brian Schoener, a Scranton High


            8              School senior has been selected as a


            9              scholarship winner by the prestigious Jack


           10              Cook Foundation.  Brian is one of only 89


           11              students chosen nationwide as a recipient of


           12              this great honor.  He almost receive a full


           13              scholarship to the college or university of


           14              his choice.  He has applied to Cornell, MIT,


           15              Carnegie Mellon, Bucknell and Lehigh and he


           16              notified me today that he received his first


           17              acceptance letter and that was from MIT.


           18                      Brian was the two-year member and


           19              captain of my Scranton High School


           20              scholastic team and this deserving young man


           21              is a credit not only to his family, but to


           22              the Scranton High School community as well.


           23              So often we honor the athletes of our


           24              community, but all too rarely do we honor


           25              the academic and humanitarian achievements






            1              of our young people.  With my colleagues'


            2              agreement, I would like to honor Brian


            3              Schoener with a council proclamation.


            4                      In addition, I would like to forward


            5              letters of congratulations to TJ


            6              Campobianco, Sr., Bass one; and Frank Jones,


            7              Jr., Tenor one, one who will proudly


            8              represent Scranton High School in the


            9              All-State chorus at the PMEA conference in


           10              Valley Forge next month.


           11                      Also, I would like congratulatory


           12              letters sent to Dillon York, Scranton High


           13              School senior, who designed the logo of the


           14              official St. Patrick's parade shirt, and


           15              Joshua Wesalowski who collected close to 100


           16              food items for bread basket of Northeastern,


           17              Pennsylvania, a South Side food pantry as


           18              part of their requirements for attaining the


           19              rank of Eagle Scout, and I will forward all


           20              of this contact information to Kay Garvey,


           21              if that's agreeable to everyone.


           22                      MS. GATELLI: Um-hum.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF: No objection.


           24                      MS. EVANS: Thank you.  Also, I'd


           25              like to add my congratulations to the






            1              Scranton High School cast and crew of the


            2              musical "Honk" and a special shout out to TJ


            3              Cappobianco, Alyssa Ecker, and Kylie Lotz,


            4              my understanding students in our classroom


            5              of champions.


            6                      And Upper Hill Ecumenical Committee


            7              invites you to the Friendly's family fun


            8              night on Wednesday, March 18, that is this


            9              Wednesday.  A percentage of the food


           10              receipts of those who dine at Friendly's in


           11              Dunmore between 5 and 8 p.m. will be donated


           12              to St. Francis of Assisi food kitchen.  Your


           13              support is greatly appreciated.


           14                      And finally, I'd just like to wish


           15              everyone a very happy St. Patrick's Day


           16              tomorrow.


           17                      MR. MCGOFF: Mrs. Fanucci, anything?


           18                      MS. FANUCCI: Nothing.


           19                      MR. MCGOFF: At this point I'm going


           20              to make a motion that we move to Fifth Order


           21              at the request of council.  If there is


           22              anyone that wishes to speak specifically to


           23              items 5-B or 7-A they may do so and then we


           24              will have the Fourth Order Citizens'


           25              participation after the two pieces of






            1              legislation.  So, at this time I'd like to


            2              makes a motion to suspend the rules and move


            3              to Fifth Order.


            4                      MS. GATELLI:  Second.


            5                      MR. MCGOFF: All in favor.


            6                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


            7                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


            8                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


            9                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           10              ayes have it and so moved.


           11                      MS. GATELLI:  I would just like to


           12              add that if you are wondering were we are


           13              doing that, Mrs. Evans is still not feeling


           14              well, as you can hear, and in case she is


           15              not feeling well and needs to go home we are


           16              moving it that she will be able to go home


           17              because she is still not feeling well, so


           18              please bear with us.


           19                      MS. EVANS: Thank you.


           20                      MR. MCGOFF: Mrs. Garvey?


           21                      MS. GARVEY: 5-B. FOR INTRODUCTION -


           22              A RESOLUTION - AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND




           24              AND ENTER INTO A CONTRACT WITH KNOWLES


           25              ASSOCIATES, L.L.C., FOR INSURANCE WITH








            2              EXCHANGE, (HARIE), INDIAN HARBOR INSURANCE








            6              1, 2009 THROUGH JANUARY 1, 2010, AND TO


            7              RATIFY ANY AND ALL ACTIONS AND SERVICES




            9              INSURANCE CONTRACT.


           10                      MR. MCGOFF: At this time I'll


           11              entertain a motion that Item 5-B be induced


           12              it's proper committee.


           13                      MS. FANUCCI: So moved.


           14                      MS. EVANS: Second.


           15                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


           16              in favor signify by saying aye.


           17                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           18                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           19                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           20                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           21              ayes have it and so moved.


           22                      MR. SBARAGALIA: You don't want us to


           23              speak on it before vote?


           24                      MR. MCGOFF: Oh, I'm sorry.


           25                      MR. SBARAGLIA: I was going to






            1              speak--


            2                      MR. MCGOFF: I'm sorry,


            3              Mr. Sbaraglia.  I did say that and --


            4                      MS. GATELLI: Well, because no one


            5              came up.


            6                      MR. MCGOFF: I'm sorry.


            7                      MR. SBARAGLIA: Why do you even have


            8              meetings?  Why don't we just do everything


            9              by --


           10                      MR. MCGOFF:  Mr. Sbaraglia, it was a


           11              mistake.  I'm sorry.


           12                      MR. SBARAGLIA: But it's a big


           13              mistake.


           14                      MR. MCGOFF:  No, it's not a big


           15              mistake.


           16                      MR. SBARAGLIA: It a big mistake


           17              because you are denying people to speak on


           18              things before you vote on them.  That is a


           19              big mistake.


           20                      MR. MCGOFF: Mr. Sbaraglia --


           21                      MS. FANUCCI:  Nobody got up.  We


           22              didn't know.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF: I'm sorry that we moved


           24              forward so quickly.  I just apologize.


           25                      MR. SBARAGLIA: It's done.  It's






            1              done.  You can't bring it back.  Okay.


            2              There is lot of questions about this.  First


            3              of all, we all know what today's date is,


            4              why are we going all the way back to


            5              January 1 to pick up this insurance?  Who


            6              was carrying the insurance before?


            7                      MS. GATELLI: It's the same company.


            8                      MR. SBARAGLIA: It's the same


            9              company?  Well, why don't we go back to the


           10              first to pick it up?  Why are we doing it on


           11              March instead of January?  You said you are


           12              going all the way back to January.


           13                      MS. GATELLI:  It's just a renewal.


           14              It's a yearly renewal.


           15                      MR. SBARAGLIA: I realize that, but


           16              why wasn't it renewed when it should have


           17              been renewed?  Why is it renewed so late?  I


           18              know you don't have the answer.


           19                      MS. EVANS: Well, let's find that


           20              out.


           21                      MR. SBARAGLIA: But you could ask why


           22              we're not renewing the policy when it


           23              expires, and if, I guess we got a grace


           24              period, and I guess we are under the grace


           25              period, at least I hope.






            1                      MS. GATELLI: It's probably 90 days.


            2                      MR. SBARAGLIA: Yeah, I hope so.


            3                      MS. GATELLI: It might be more.


            4                      MR. SBARAGLIA: But I didn't read the


            5              contract, but it's nice to find out why we


            6              are doing things late.  Thank you.


            7                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you,


            8              Mr. Sbaraglia.


            9                      MS. EVANS: Kay, could we --


           10                      MR. MCGOFF: Anyone else?  I'm sorry,


           11              Mrs. Evans.


           12                      MS. EVANS: Could we find out exactly


           13              what the delay was on the insurance renewal


           14              for next week?


           15                      MS. GARVEY: Okay.


           16                      MS. EVANS: Thanks.


           17                      MR. QUINN:  7-A?


           18                      MR. MCGOFF: Please.  Ozzie Quinn,


           19              President of Scranton Taxpayers'


           20              Association, Incorporated.  7-A there is a


           21              loan agreement to be made, a commercial


           22              industrial loan in the amount of $25,000 to


           23              Danielle and Company to assist in an


           24              eligible project.  I understand that's for


           25              equipment and for capital.  I went on the






            1              website and what she is doing is aroma


            2              therapy, and Mrs. -- Miss -- the applicant,


            3              as I was saying, she has a degree, master's


            4              degree in cognitive behavior therapy, and


            5              she going for a doctorate in human


            6              development.  However, she is not trained in


            7              aroma therapy, and I'm asking you to table


            8              that because it's very scary because when


            9              you start fooling around people's emotional


           10              or physical problems you do have a problem.


           11                      Now, I want to say this here, aroma


           12              therapy and, you know, listen to me first,


           13              Mr. McGoff, before you -- you already have a


           14              "yes" in your mind anyway.


           15                      Generally accepted definition of


           16              aroma therapy, "An individual that has aroma


           17              therapy training and has been licensed and


           18              hands-on fields such as massage, nursing or


           19              cosmetology.  Some people loosely use the


           20              term aromatherapist without such training as


           21              you always need to confirm the credentials


           22              without any perspective aromatherapist."


           23                      She is not an aromatherapist, she is


           24              a not an aromacologist, she isn't -- she is


           25              a cognitive therapist and she is not trained






            1              in this and she offering this here therapy


            2              which can hurt people.  It's a wellness type


            3              of program.


            4                      Now, please, listen to me, I don't


            5              want taxpayers' money going to people who


            6              are going to hurt another person.  You have


            7              to be so trained that you have to know just


            8              what you are using.  Look at him laughing.


            9              Can you believe that?


           10                      MR. JACKOWITZ: No, I can't.


           11                      MR. QUINN: Can you believe that?


           12                      MR. JACKOWITZ: It's the president.


           13                      MR. QUINN: It's the president of


           14              council, and an Irishman, too, my God.  You


           15              know what, bu anyway, the fact that, and let


           16              me tell you, she has to be known to be a


           17              well-being of the body, mind and soul and,


           18              to do a walk and say you're an


           19              aromatherapist, all right?


           20                      Also, all scents create a specific


           21              memory thus inducing a mood or behavioral


           22              responses, these responses enhance a


           23              person's mood.  You are fooling around with


           24              a person's emotional well-being.  And do you


           25              know what, people had are depressed and who






            1              are more likely to get more involved in


            2              perfume are more likely to go to these type


            3              of places because it is symptom, all right?


            4                      Now, in all due respect, you know,


            5              this is a holistic approach she is trying to


            6              take to therapy, and she is not qualified,


            7              and whoever put that on there is


            8              definitely -- will you stopping laughing Mr.


            9              McGoff or leave the room, please do


           10              something?


           11                      MR. MCGOFF: Excuse me.  Are you


           12              finished?


           13                      MR. QUINN:  We are taxpayers here.


           14              My five minutes is not up.  How can you


           15              people put up with him doing that.  It's


           16              ashame.  But she has -- she has products in


           17              over 100 stores throughout the United States


           18              and I ask you to check her credentials with


           19              the American Psychological Association to


           20              see if she's qualified to be involved in


           21              this.


           22                      I'm not trying to condemn the lady,


           23              but I don't like to see taxpayers' money be


           24              spent when you going to hurt a person's


           25              emotional or physical life, and I hope you






            1              are the first one to go through.


            2                      MS. EVANS: Mr. Quinn --


            3                      MR. MCGOFF: Excuse me, Mr. Quinn.


            4                      MR. QUINN:  Excuse me you for what?


            5              What did you do?


            6                      MR. MCGOFF: I have been to her shop.


            7                      MR. QUINN: You what?


            8                      MR. MCGOFF:  I have been to her


            9              shop.


           10                      MR. QUINN: I don't understand what


           11              he said.


           12                      MR. MCGOFF: You said you hoped I was


           13              the first one to go there, I have been there


           14              already at two different occasions.


           15                      MR. QUINN:  Well, I'm sorry.  There


           16              are people out there that can really be hurt


           17              with this here, and I ask you just to call a


           18              psychologist up --


           19                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.


           20                      MR. QUINN: And a member of the APA.


           21                      MS. FANUCCI: Actually, I'm a


           22              licensed cosmetologist, would you like me to


           23              talk about?


           24                      MR. QUINN:  To the APA and check it


           25              out.






            1                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr. Quinn.


            2                      MS. FANUCCI:  I actually am


            3              certified.


            4                      MS. EVANS: Mr. Quinn, may I ask you


            5              a question?


            6                      MR. QUINN: Sure.


            7                      MS. EVANS: Are you certain that it


            8              is she who would be the aromatherapist or is


            9              she perhaps hiring an individual.  I know


           10              that I believe anyway according to the terms


           11              of this loan she has to create one position.


           12                      MR. QUINN:  She is the applicant.


           13              She has to be the applicant and she says she


           14              is not only going to change her name from


           15              aromatherapist to an aromacratic and she


           16              doesn't qualify.


           17                      MS. FANUCCI: I can actually clear


           18              this up in about three seconds if you'd like


           19              me too.


           20                      MR. QUINN:  Go ahead.


           21                      MS. FANUCCI:  Ozzie, I know.  I can


           22              answer the question any way, when you are an


           23              aromatherapist that means you're dealing in


           24              essential oils that are pure which means


           25              they are not put into any products.  When






            1              you are putting --


            2                      MS. QUINN: She --


            3                      MS. FANUCCI: Wait.  Wait.


            4                      MR. QUINN: Go ahead.


            5                      MS. FANUCCI: When you are putting


            6              them into products they are no longer


            7              qualified to do what you are claiming that


            8              they can do.  So this is not -- this is not


            9              attaining to the same thing.  She uses them


           10              in soaps.  She uses them in perfumes.


           11                      MR. QUINN: I understand that.


           12                      MS. FANUCCI: So it's only a pure


           13              essential mineral that we are talking about


           14              --


           15                      MR. QUINN: I understand that.


           16                      MS. FANUCCI: -- that you need to be


           17              qualified and licensed by the state to use


           18              and you know why I know that, Ozzie, because


           19              I'm a cosmetologist.


           20                      MR. QUINN:  I want to tell you


           21              something -- wow.


           22                      MS. FANUCCI: Look at me, and I


           23              actually can answer that question for you,


           24              so you are incorrect about what you are


           25              saying is all I need to tell you.






            1                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.


            2                      MR. QUINN:  You know what, when she


            3              is talking about pure oils she means pure


            4              oils.


            5                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr. Quinn.


            6                      MR. QUINN:  However, she is using a


            7              vegan oil.  She is vegan oil.


            8                      MS. FANUCCI: Then it's not pure.


            9                      MR. MCGOFF: Mr. Quinn --


           10                      MR. QUINN: And it's right here.


           11              It's right here.


           12                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.


           13                      MR. QUINN:  And you people are going


           14              to be up for a lawsuit if somebody gets


           15              hurt.


           16                      MR. MCGOFF: Anyone else on 5-B or


           17              7-A?  Thank you.


           18                      MS. GARVEY: SIXTH ORDER.  NO


           19              BUSINESS AT THIS TIME.  SEVENTH ORDER.  7-A.


           20              FOR CONSIDERATION BY THE COMMITTEE ON


           21              COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT - FOR ADOPTION -


           22              RESOLUTION NO. 113, 2009 - AUTHORIZING THE




           24              FOR THE CITY OF SCRANTON TO ENTER INTO A


           25              LOAN AGREEMENT AND MAKE A LOAN FROM THE








            2              PROGRAM, PROJECT NO. 150.21 IN AN AMOUNT NOT


            3              TO EXCEED $25,000.00 TO DANIELLE AND


            4              COMPANY, INC. TO ASSIST AN ELIGIBLE PROJECT.


            5                      MR. MCGOFF: What is the


            6              recommendation of the Chairperson for the


            7              Committee on Community Development.


            8                      MS. FANUCCI: As chairperson for the


            9              Committee on Community Development, I


           10              recommend final passage of Item 7-A.


           11                      MR. MCGOFF: A second?


           12                      MS. GATELLI: Second?


           13                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?


           14                      MS. EVANS: I know that this is a


           15              very good small business within the City of


           16              Scranton.  It's a relatively new business to


           17              our city.  I don't know, you know, if


           18              otherwise it's -- are there headquarters


           19              elsewhere or additional stores?


           20                      MS. FANUCCI: No, it's here.  It's


           21              based here.


           22                      MS. EVANS: This is the one and only


           23              store?  And I thought I had learned that


           24              they were going to offer classes as well in


           25              various types of activities like






            1              horticulture and one or two other areas I


            2              believe, so it does appear to be beneficial


            3              to the community.  I do -- you know, I hear


            4              Mr. Quinn's concerns, but, you know, I'm


            5              confused as this point because I'm, you


            6              know, I was assuming that as Mrs. Gatelli


            7              said the ingredients are placed into her


            8              product line, soaps, lotions and etcetera,


            9              and that's what was being considered the


           10              aromatherapy as many of the products I know


           11              I've purchased, not from this particular


           12              business, but, you know, in a department


           13              store it will be labeled aromatherapy.


           14                      So would it be possible that we can


           15              table it just to get the, you know, a


           16              statement from the owner explaining exactly


           17              what it is.


           18                      MR. MCGOFF: There's nobody doing


           19              therapy in the business.  It's simply the


           20              name of a product, products that are sold at


           21              Bath and Body and other places.


           22                      MS. FANUCCI: Right.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF: Right.  There is no


           24              nobody conducting therapy sessions at


           25              Danielle and Company.






            1                      MR. QUINN: You don't know what


            2              you're talking about.


            3                      MS. GATELLI:  And it's even in air


            4              freshener.  If you buy air freshener now it


            5              says on it aromatherapy.  It's just a buzz


            6              word.


            7                      MS. FANUCCI: I mean, I could see his


            8              point if she was using an untainted oil that


            9              is just pure in it's form, he is right.  I


           10              mean, there are certain elements that -- but


           11              that is not what we are talking about.


           12                      MR. QUINN:  If I may --


           13                      MR. MCGOFF: Excuse me, Mr. Quinn.


           14              You had your opportunity to speak.


           15                      MR. QUINN:  She is making oils.


           16                      MR. MCGOFF: Excuse me.


           17                      MR. QUINN:  For specific


           18              treatments--


           19                      MS. FANUCCI:  To put into products.


           20                      MR. QUINN: To focus, to relax.


           21                      MS. FANUCCI:  To put into products.


           22                      (Mr. McGoff bangs the gavel.)


           23                      MS. FANUCCI: She is making scents to


           24              put in products --


           25                      MR. MCGOFF: There is no classes.






            1                      MS. FANUCCI: To put into products.


            2                      MR. MCGOFF: Excuse me?


            3                      MS. GATELLI: We can go to Boscov's


            4              right now and by 1,000 products that say


            5              aromatherapy on them.


            6                      MR. QUINN: Definitely.


            7                      MS. GATELLI: It's just someone put


            8              oil in there and cinnamon is supposed to


            9              make you hungry and lilac is supposed to


           10              make you calm.


           11                      MS. EVANS: Lavender.


           12                      MS. GATELLI: It's just -- you know,


           13              it's just -- they are just theories and I'm


           14              sure they are not true, but, you know,


           15              people do that for certain scents.


           16                      MR. QUINN:  It's a science.


           17                      MR. MCGOFF: Mr. Quinn, you had your


           18              opportunity to speak, I'm going to ask you


           19              once more to refrain from yelling or else I


           20              will ask you to leave.


           21                      MS. GATELLI:  I mean, I don't think


           22              the woman is doing psychotherapy with oil.


           23                      MR. QUINN: Yes, she is.


           24                      MR. MCGOFF: Anyone else on the


           25              question?






            1                      MR. QUINN: Just vote


            2              (untranscribable.)


            3                      MR. MCGOFF: Mr. Quinn, would you


            4              please leave?  You are out of order.


            5                      MR. QUINN:  I'll be glad to leave.


            6                      MR. MCGOFF: Because you are a sick


            7              person.


            8                      MS. GATELLI:  Well, I mean, I don't


            9              care.  If you want to table it we'll table


           10              it.


           11                      MR. MCGOFF: There is no reason to


           12              table it.


           13                      MS. GATELLI: You want to get her in


           14              here.


           15                      MR. MCGOFF: I don't see any reason


           16              to table it.


           17                      MS. EVANS: Well, I think it might be


           18              --


           19                      MS. FANUCCI: The problem is now here


           20              we are in a place where this woman is doing


           21              a wonderful job, a great job, and now she is


           22              tainted because of, you know, accusations --


           23                      MS. EVANS: Right.  That's why I


           24              think it would be beneficial if she wanted


           25              to come in and do give us an explanation and






            1              maybe do a little presentation.


            2                      MS. FANUCCI: If she -- she doesn't


            3              even have to go that far.  We can table it


            4              and have her send a letter, we'll send a


            5              letter to her and have her reply to us with


            6              the allegations of what is alleged.


            7                      MS. GATELLI: And if she would like


            8              to come she is welcome to come.


            9                      MS. EVANS: Yes.


           10                      MS. FANUCCI: Right.  I do want to


           11              apologize to her or anyone who is using her


           12              products or anyone who is trying to open a


           13              business in if city that this is not how is


           14              should be conducted and this is just awful.


           15              Really.


           16                      MS. GATELLI:  I'll second tabling of


           17              7-A.  It's been moved and seconded.


           18                      MR. MCGOFF: All in favor of tabling


           19              7-A signify by saying eye.


           20                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           21                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           22                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF:  Opposed?  No. The ayes


           24              have it and 7-A is tabled.  Fourth Order.


           25              Andy Sbaraglia.






            1                      MR. SBARAGLIA: Andy Sbaraglia,


            2              citizen of Scranton.  Fellow Scrantonians, I


            3              read the backup on 7-A, okay, $25,000 at 5


            4              percent interest sounds good.  Now, we have


            5              no -- we have nothing legal that's going to


            6              happen to us if we give him the money.  In


            7              other words, if somebody sues somebody the


            8              most we can do is lose 25,000 if she goes


            9              under with a lawsuit, but that's it.  We are


           10              not sued anywhere.  Whatever she does she


           11              has to comply with whatever the state codes


           12              are, so it's not big deal.  I don't know why


           13              Ozzie made such a big deal out of it.


           14                      Okay, we did the insurance, let's go


           15              with the tax collector comparison report.


           16              Do you realize that from '08, 3-7-08, that


           17              month, that the 3-9-2009 we have almost


           18              doubled the income coming.  3-7-2008 we had


           19              $4,870,956.57.  3-9-2009, $8,597,388.17.


           20              Something is wrong with that office.  You


           21              should get ahold of McDowell and let him


           22              explain why so much money is being generated


           23              now that wasn't generated when he was in


           24              charge.  That's an important thing.  You


           25              should be on his back because something was






            1              wrong when he ran that office and now he has


            2              even got a bigger job, so God knows what's


            3              happening there.  But you should at least


            4              get back to him and explain why all of these


            5              figures are escalated now that wasn't


            6              before.  Something definitely wrong there.


            7                      Okay, little reminiscent, we went


            8              through all of this other stuff.  As you


            9              know, seven years ago we had a golf course,


           10              we had the South Side Complex, our good


           11              loans are gone, our delinquent real estate


           12              taxes people can't pay, it goes to two


           13              entities now one NCC and then the lawyer on


           14              top of it, which I forget his name.  We had


           15              a DPW site that we no longer own, and I


           16              believe we even sold our storm drains to the


           17              sewer authority, I don't know because nobody


           18              knows exactly where that piece of


           19              legislation was.  That all of sudden says


           20              they are independent, so somewhere along the


           21              line money passed or property passed and


           22              this is what I mean.


           23                      We have lost our assets being


           24              fiddled away, especially the golf course


           25              that brought us $50,000, sometimes $100,000






            1              a year in income.  That's gone.  And what do


            2              we got out of it, we got little -- you got


            3              an open area up in Nay Aug, but I guess with


            4              people losing their homes maybe it will be a


            5              nice tent city up there especially with all


            6              of the Johns that are up there now.  But


            7              these things we had and in seven years we


            8              lost it.


            9                      Now, I realize you weren't there.


           10              You weren't sitting there when a lot of


           11              these things were done.  Even when he did


           12              the DPW site that he so -- well, the guy


           13              wanted to give us $600,000 over 20 years or


           14              25 years, but the original contract with


           15              that was for 198 years for a dollar a year.


           16              This is the kind of deals he was making.


           17              Now, you tell me common sense wise who would


           18              site a contract like that?


           19                      Even now, I don't believe we are


           20              going to get any money from the DPW even it


           21              he does put stuff there.  I mean, yeah,


           22              because he leases it for a dollar year.  His


           23              obligation to the city is $1 a year.  That's


           24              it.  I don't even know who carries liability


           25              on it because them contracts are pretty well






            1              mute when it comes to him.  Anybody that


            2              read the original contract didn't seeing


            3              anything about liability because when that


            4              contract was -- of course, there was


            5              buildings there and the DPW was in operation


            6              there, but these are things we have lost in


            7              the city.  They were assets that are no


            8              longer assets to the city, and it's been


            9              sitting there all them years as an empty


           10              lot.


           11                      Now, what's going to happen?  They


           12              are going to be looking for KOZ's again.  I


           13              know this coming like -- you don't even have


           14              to be any kind of soothsayer to realize


           15              what's going to happen.  All of these people


           16              who have sat on that land for ten years


           17              without paying any taxes are going to be out


           18              there looking for another handout.  Thank


           19              you.


           20                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you,


           21              Mr. Sbaraglia.  Ron Ellman.


           22                      MR. ELLMAN: You guys changed and


           23              thought I wouldn't know it, didn't you?


           24              Mrs. Rosie read the paper and told me it was


           25              tonight.  Last week was my birthday, big 39,






            1              I didn't have to designate a driver to bring


            2              me down here, so I just have a couple of


            3              little notes.


            4                      I publically would like to say how


            5              elated I am that the mayor is going to run


            6              on his record.  This seemed like a big help


            7              for his opponents to be, but I'll give


            8              credit where credit is due.  I got a little


            9              statement here that "Whatever we do --" I


           10              copied this out of something, I don't know


           11              where it came from.  It said, "Whatever we


           12              do we must assume responsibility for the


           13              consequences."


           14                      So I guess running on your record is


           15              assuming the responsibility, but I think the


           16              mayor is just trying to sell us the same old


           17              car by washing it or something.  The problem


           18              around here is half the city doesn't vote.


           19              I just don't know how people are going to


           20              get these people that don't vote.  I talked


           21              to them and for both sides.  I've never seen


           22              so much apathy.  I mean, just vote for


           23              somebody.  Just don't sit in the house, you


           24              know, but everybody needs to get these


           25              people out to vote.  I don't know how to do






            1              it, you know, unless you give them some


            2              hotdogs or something, doughnuts.  I don't


            3              know.  I sit and talk to people and hear


            4              people and almost everybody I talk to they


            5              just don't vote.  I never seen a city like


            6              this.  You know, even if they vote for


            7              Doherty they are doing something, you know,


            8              like I said, it's just so much apathy here


            9              and then everybody complains about potholes


           10              and this and that and the other thing and


           11              who did you vote for and say, "I didn't


           12              vote."


           13                      Isn't that ashame?  I hate to say


           14              it, but I go in little bar called Dunn's and


           15              they brag they don't vote and a couple of


           16              them own houses, they own property.  You


           17              know, there is people dying for us so we can


           18              vote and have a flag and all and the people


           19              don't vote.  Well, I'm just getting carried


           20              away.  I thank you for giving me a minute or


           21              two up here.  I had some notes I don't even


           22              want to get into it.  I get everybody mad at


           23              me and get you alienated at me.  Thank you.


           24                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr. Ellman.


           25              Les Spindler.






            1                      MR. SPINDLER:  Good evening,


            2              Council.  Les Spindler, city resident,


            3              taxpayer and homeowner.  Mr. McGoff, you


            4              said Mr. Courtright couldn't make it tonight


            5              because he had to work.  Why couldn't have


            6              the meeting been reschedule for Thursday?


            7                      MS. FANUCCI:  He had to work


            8              Thursday, too.


            9                      MS. SPINDLER: No, he didn't have to


           10              work Thursday.  I spoke to him, he asked to


           11              have it done for -- he asked to have the


           12              meeting on Thursday.


           13                      MS. GATELLI:  I can't make it on


           14              Thursday.


           15                      MS. FANUCCI:  Well, somebody


           16              couldn't make it on Thursday.


           17                      MR. SPINDLER: Oh, okay, so if you're


           18              in the mayor I guess you get your way.


           19                      MR. MCGOFF: It was a night we could


           20              have a quorum.  Last week Mr. Sbaraglia


           21              mentioned about Scranton Today operating


           22              from that room back there and there were


           23              tossed out because they are supposed to do


           24              something in that room, when Chris Doherty


           25              got his own TV station CDTV all of a sudden






            1              they are allowed to broadcast from there.


            2              If that wasn't a political move then my name


            3              is not Les Spindler.


            4                      And like I said last week, these


            5              people they have to find a new place to


            6              setup their shop in and I don't know where


            7              they are going to get the money from, but I


            8              don't know how the three of could have


            9              located the money for CDTV before the appeal


           10              is heard.


           11                      Moving on, I heard from a good


           12              source the developers of the office park


           13              that's going to be off Linden Street there


           14              uses nonunion labor, and I see there is a


           15              Scartelli trailer setup on the lot there.


           16              That figures?  Scartelli plowed the DPW lot,


           17              now they'll be building the office park, I


           18              guess it's just payback for the mayor for


           19              the campaign contributions they give.


           20                      Two weeks ago, Mrs. Fanucci, you


           21              said you represent the taxpayers.  Well, you


           22              voted for a 25 percent tax hike, you voted


           23              for those ridiculous fees and penalties on


           24              late taxes, and you voted for all Chris


           25              Doherty's budgets.  If that's representing






            1              the taxpayers, Mrs. Fanucci, please don't do


            2              it anymore.


            3                      I guess city vehicles -- I guess


            4              they get a free parking placard in them,


            5              maybe you know about that Mrs. Gatelli?


            6              City vehicles can park free in the city.


            7                      MS. GATELLI: I think the inspectors


            8              can.


            9                      MR. SPINDLER: Well, are they allowed


           10              in their own personal vehicles?


           11                      MS. GATELLI: I believe if they are


           12              using their own vehicle for work, yes.


           13                      MR. SPINDLER: Well, I know for a


           14              fact that Mark Seitzinger's wife has one in


           15              her own personal vehicle and she works in


           16              the law department.  I don't think she needs


           17              that for work.  I think there should be an


           18              investigation into that, and if you want to


           19              see a pictures, there is pictures on a


           20              certain website.  Mr. McGoff, could you look


           21              into that?


           22                      MR. MCGOFF: Excuse me?


           23                      MR. SPINDLER: Could you look into


           24              that?  About people using these free parking


           25              placards in their own personal vehicles, and






            1              if that's the case would you see what you


            2              could do about getting me one?


            3                      Last week I stated that two people


            4              were attacked in West Side a few weeks ago,


            5              a U of S student was attacked, now yesterday


            6              in South Side two people were shot in broad


            7              daylight in the backyard and Chris Doherty


            8              wants to let go policemen.  He wants to lay


            9              policemen off, he wants to lay firemen off,


           10              he doesn't give a darn about public safety


           11              in this city, all he cares about is hiring


           12              his crony friends, giving them raises, but


           13              he doesn't care about the safety and the


           14              citizens of this city and it's a disgrace.


           15              We need more policemen on the street, not


           16              less.


           17                      Yesterday I was driving through the


           18              Hill Section, the 400 block of Clay Avenue,


           19              there was students out there sitting on the


           20              porch as they were Saturday and that block


           21              was a disgrace.  There were beer cans and


           22              cups all over the lawn, it looked like a


           23              garbage dump, it was a disgrace.  We should


           24              have had public safety people up there on


           25              Saturday because I was up there Saturday and






            1              my mother is in a nursing home up there.


            2              Kids were on their porches drinking, instead


            3              of throwing them away they throw them out on


            4              the lawn.  I wish I had my camera with me,


            5              it was a disgrace, and I think the


            6              University should police their own kids


            7              there.  This is totally uncalled for, I


            8              mean, I could see a couple, but the lawns


            9              were littered, literally littered with


           10              dozens and dozens of cans and cups.  It's a


           11              disgrace.  I mean, these kids don't live in


           12              the city, they don't care.  I lived in this


           13              city my whole life and I'm proud of it and


           14              it's just a disgrace.  So, I don't know what


           15              they could do, I know the police can only be


           16              in certain places at one time, but I think


           17              the University should be contacted next year


           18              and let them police their own kids because


           19              it's just totally ridiculous.  Thank you.


           20                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr. Spindler.


           21              Bernadette Royce.


           22                      MS. ROYCE: Hi.  God evening.  Happy


           23              St. Patrick's Day.  Bernadette Royce, West


           24              Scranton.  First off, I would like to go on


           25              record saying that I have used scented bath






            1              oils, scented bath products, lotions and


            2              candles for years and except for one asthma


            3              attack and my cat I have never, ever had a


            4              problem with them, so you can feel safe


            5              about that.


            6                      Onto new business, late Saturday


            7              afternoon after the festivities I returned


            8              to my West Scranton neighborhood to discover


            9              thick black smoke staining the sky.  As I


           10              approached Luzerne Street Engine 2 from


           11              South Scranton raced to the scene just as


           12              the smoke began to dissipate.  Obviously,


           13              Engine 7 located on Luzerne Street as the


           14              first due engine in West Scranton had a much


           15              quicker response just as Engine 2 would have


           16              for South Scranton fire.


           17                      According to the Scranton Times,


           18              Mayor Doherty cited new building


           19              construction as an excuse for less fire


           20              protection.  He is wrong.  Rather than real


           21              wood new construction often uses particle


           22              boards and glue.  These burn hotter than


           23              real wood.  Fire also grows exponentially.


           24              This means that for every second fire grows


           25              it gets twice as big.  The results of this






            1              are clear, 30 years ago a person had


            2              17 minutes to escape a house fire.  Today


            3              the National Fire Protection Association


            4              estimates that you have approximately three


            5              minutes to escape a house fire.  Citizens


            6              need to keep this in mind before they vote


            7              for a mayor who will close their local fire


            8              stations or reduce engine companies in this


            9              city.  The mayor won't say which stations he


           10              will close, so I'm asking you, my council


           11              members, to tell me what stations are being


           12              closed and will my neighborhood be safe?  Do


           13              any of you know?


           14                      MS. FANUCCI: I don't know.


           15                      MS. GATELLI:  I never heard of any


           16              that will be closed as of right now.


           17                      MS. EVANS:  I have read that the


           18              mayor intended to downsize the manpower of


           19              the fire department by I believe over 30


           20              individuals and he did intend to close fire


           21              stations.  Now, I don't know that means


           22              specifically the station will close or if


           23              the engine company is going to be


           24              eliminated, but he has gone on record saying


           25              that.  He at least has not expressed to me






            1              which engine companies or firehouses are


            2              going to be affected, but I'm waiting for


            3              that announcement shortly, particularly


            4              since the ruling of the Courts that I


            5              believe the city has to abide by it within a


            6              certain period of time, specifically, by


            7              taking such measures and also by awarding


            8              raises, and to my knowledge those raises


            9              have not yet occurred as well.


           10                      MS. ROYCE:  Okay.  My concern,


           11              obviously, is when will he decide and


           12              announce, I think we all know that the mayor


           13              has said he has plans, my concern is when we


           14              will decide to announce to the citizens of


           15              Scranton exactly which companies will be


           16              reduced?  I think it's time that the


           17              citizens of Scranton receive an answer from


           18              this mayor.


           19                      MS. EVANS: Oh, I agree, and I think


           20              another concern is what he is basing that


           21              decision on, what study?


           22                      MS. ROYCE:  Thank you very much.


           23              Thank you very much.  Have a good evening,


           24              folks.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mrs. Royce.






            1              Marie Schumacher.


            2                      MS. SCHUMACHER: Good evening.  Marie


            3              Schumacher, resident and member of the


            4              Taxpayers' Association.  I have corrected my


            5              collating error, so I am prepared to read


            6              the final page of my letter to DCED,


            7              Secretary Cornelius.  These, of course, deal


            8              with variances from the PEL developed


            9              Recovery Plan.  "Page 37 noted, in the


           10              absence of salary increases the city's


           11              cumulative deficit would total 7.21 billion


           12              dollars in 2007.  Despite the majority of


           13              employees, that being police and


           14              firefighters, having had no increase, the


           15              cumulative operating deficit was reflected


           16              in principal debt of about $95 million


           17              dollars.  $159,162,385 of the Authority's


           18              debt is included again just principal only."


           19                      Next point, "Failure to conduct


           20              Civil Service Testing resulted in increased


           21              expenses to fill vacancies."


           22                      We are now paying dearly in our


           23              police agency, we are paying what used to be


           24              paid by the Act 120 people themselves for


           25              Act 120, themselves.  Now, we taxpayers get






            1              to foot that bill because the Civil Service


            2              did not --  committee did not to what they


            3              were supposed to do.


            4                      "Page 64, for 2003, 2004, and 2005,


            5              the base hourly wages and salaries of all


            6              city employees shall not exceed exceeding


            7              rate, existing rates.  Many salaries exceed


            8              the 2002 rates.


            9                      Page 85, lesser capital purchases,


           10              especially vehicles, technology


           11              infrastructure, etcetera, shall generally be


           12              funded from funds which are made available


           13              through contributions by the three city


           14              hospitals.  The city was to have formalized


           15              the intended use of the payments made by the


           16              three hospitals in a written agreement of


           17              understanding by no later than August 1,


           18              2002.  This has not happened, or if it has


           19              it's the best kept secret in town.


           20                      As a matter of fact, despite no


           21              raises, police have been purchasing their


           22              own cruisers.  The administration did manage


           23              to find $100,000 per year for five years to


           24              purchase a bank to be part of an estimated


           25              $16 million library, however.






            1                      I could go on for several more


            2              pages, but I'm sure the information provided


            3              is sufficient to illustrate the city has


            4              ignored, negated and emasculated the adopted


            5              Recovery Plan and failed to execute any


            6              rational financial plan as an alternative.


            7              Yet, there have been no sanctions, no


            8              amendatory orders in the first decade of the


            9              current century and there were during the


           10              final decade of the last century.  Why?  I


           11              look forward to your response."


           12                      Next week I'll give you the bottom


           13              line on what the response was and the


           14              response I will again be responding to.


           15                      Moving to a new topic:  Last week


           16              Mrs. Gatelli you talked about the Village at


           17              Tripp Park and you mentioned that the


           18              developer had fled.  I don't think that's


           19              the case.  I think the developer lives and


           20              everybody knows that the developer lives in


           21              the City of Dunmore.  I think he is a member


           22              of the Marywood faculty senate, and I don't


           23              think he would be too hard to find and I am


           24              very disappointed that you are not looking


           25              at out for the taxpayers who are being






            1              flooded because of the runoff from that.


            2                      MS. GATELLI:  We are, Mrs.


            3              Schumacher.


            4                      MS. SCHUMACHER: Well, what --


            5                      MS. GATELLI:  There is case in Court


            6              with Mr. Speicher and he also sued city


            7              council.


            8                      MS. SCHUMACHER:  Well, I don't know


            9              whether he sued city council, but Judge


           10              Minora has already ruled on the Tripp Park


           11              runoff and I am concerned, I have asked


           12              about this before, if Mr. -- if the


           13              developer is not being held accountable and


           14              fixing that runoff the way I read that


           15              ruling it's going to fall on us taxpayers,


           16              and I don't think that's right and it's been


           17              -- I think the ruling was in December, I


           18              don't know how long the judge gave for those


           19              corrections to be made, but-


           20                      MS. GATELLI: I don't have it with me


           21              this week.  I had the order with me last


           22              week.


           23                      MS. SCHUMACHER: Well, maybe you


           24              could bring that next week.


           25                      MS. GATELLI: But he does have an






            1              order.  There is an order against him.


            2                      MS. SCHUMACHER: I know that, but


            3              it's -- why would you want -- the only


            4              recourse there is, is to put -- do what he


            5              did, and you asked for what he did to be


            6              rescinded last week.


            7                      MS. GATELLI:  If it was items that


            8              don't affect water run off.


            9                      MS. SCHUMACHER:  Well --


           10                      MS. GATELLI:  Why should the people


           11              up there be punished?  They have been


           12              punished enough by Mr. Speicher.


           13                      MS. SCHUMACHER:next week.


           14                      MS. GATELLI: Go talk to anyone that


           15              lives in Tripp Park.


           16                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mrs.


           17              Schumacher.


           18                      MS. GATELLI: They have suffered long


           19              enough.


           20                      MR. MCGOFF: Dave Dobson.


           21                      MR. DOBSON: Good evening, Council.


           22              Dave Dobson, a member of the Taxpayers'


           23              Association, Scranton resident.  I just


           24              stopped by briefly to bring up a subject


           25              that was discussed last week about the






            1              spraying of herbicides.  Is that --


            2                      MS. GATELLI: We didn't get an answer


            3              yet, Mr. Dobson.


            4                      MR. DOBSON:  You didn't get an


            5              answer?


            6                      MS. GATELLI: No, not yet.


            7                      MR. DOBSON: I would like to make a


            8              suggestion that you people just get together


            9              and tell them to keep it out of here.


           10              Apparently that line runs right along the


           11              gorge from Chamberlin and are they going to


           12              be spraying there, will they be spraying


           13              within Nay Aug Park and certainly the


           14              neighbors up on Mark Avenue or is it Matthew


           15              Avenue don't want it done, and these


           16              herbicides are harmful substances and it's


           17              certainly something you wouldn't want your


           18              animals exposed to or your lawn or


           19              potentially have it in the drinking water or


           20              whatever else, so to me I think seeing as


           21              this is Scranton, it's our town, we have a


           22              right to tell the power company where or


           23              what they can and can't do within our town


           24              especially when it comes to exposing people


           25              to that type of chemical.






            1                      Also, I felt that having them


            2              petition to move their power lines out of


            3              Nay Aug Park was a good idea, and I'm not


            4              really going to forget it, so I promise to


            5              be attesting from here on in on that issue.


            6              I want to see those power lines on the other


            7              side of the highway some day.  It's all


            8              abandoned rail line and coal lands and so


            9              forth and there is not a lot there that can


           10              be disturbing if you ship those lines after


           11              the gorge over the other side.  We were


           12              deprived of the full extent of Nay Aug Park


           13              when 81 came through.  I don't know if


           14              anyone is aware of that, you probably are,


           15              but there is a plaque up on Elmhurst


           16              Boulevard that, currently Wattres for


           17              donating that land, and there is about 30 or


           18              40 acres up there that just gets ignored, we


           19              can't build on it, we can't sell it, we


           20              can't do anything with it, but when 81 came


           21              through it split the park right in half and


           22              that power line was also, you know, hanging


           23              around who knows how many years.  They might


           24              have wanted to expand that some day and take


           25              the rest of Nay Aug Park on us, so I think






            1              personally they have enough money they can


            2              get those lines out of there.


            3                      But definitely, please, no spraying.


            4              No spraying within the city.  Anybody that's


            5              downwind of that mist is going to get a dose


            6              of it and we know what Agent Orange does.  I


            7              have a brother-in-law that is on disability


            8              at 60 years old because of Agent Orange from


            9              Vietnam, so most of those substances are


           10              extremely harmful and let's keep them out of


           11              here.  Have a good night.


           12                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr. Dobson.


           13              Gary DeStefano.


           14                      MR. DESTEFANO:  Good evening,


           15              Council.  My name is Gary DeStefano.  I'm a


           16              city resident and a Scranton firefighter.


           17              I'm here tonight to inform city council and


           18              the public of what we have just learned from


           19              this administration.  In the very near


           20              future, Mayor Doherty is going to close two


           21              engine companies in this city.  The Scranton


           22              firefighters are going to do all we can to


           23              prevent this.  This is a drastic, baseless


           24              cut of our fire protection, our safety and


           25              we are asking everyone to help us stop this






            1              and the mayor's intended actions.


            2                      If anyone has any questions feel


            3              free to contact our union leadership about


            4              this.  Thank you.


            5                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you,


            6              Mr. DeStefano.  Anyone else?


            7                      MR. JACKOWITZ:  Good evening,


            8              Mr. President, Scranton City Council.  What


            9              about the people who have lived below Tripp


           10              Park, they have suffered long enough, also.


           11              They need help and assistance, also.


           12                      Bill Jackowitz, South Scranton


           13              resident and member of the Taxpayers'


           14              Association.  City, state and federal taxes


           15              have always been paid, my taxes have always


           16              been paid on time and in full.  Two Scranton


           17              parking tickets within 11 years, paid within


           18              24 hours, the only two I have ever received.


           19              I must also ask myself why I pay on time?


           20              Maybe because I'm a member of the Taxpayers'


           21              Association and an honorably retired senior


           22              noncommissioned officer of the United States


           23              Air Force.  While, on the other hand, we


           24              have elected officials and appointed


           25              officials who just seem to ignore their






            1              responsibility until they are outed in the


            2              public.  Maybe because I am not connected to


            3              the mayor, county commissioner, governor or


            4              tax collector or school board member.


            5                      Retired judge gets 46 months in


            6              jail.  Former prosecutor gets house arrest.


            7              Former state senator charged with defrauding


            8              the state a nonprofit and museum for more


            9              than 3.5 million.  He was convicted today on


           10              all 127 counts.  He was also destroyed --


           11              also charged with destroying evidence.


           12                      Influence denied in the Manner deal.


           13              The president of the Pittsburgh based firm


           14              hired to train state liquor store clerks and


           15              managers to be nice to customers is married


           16              to a top liquor control board employee.


           17                      Two judges Luzerne County going to


           18              jail.  The head of the Scranton Housing


           19              Authority going to Court.  State


           20              representative not paying his taxes on time.


           21              Former tax representative voted out of


           22              office for not showing up for his job, but


           23              collecting per diem.  City council falls


           24              into that category.  They get paid for


           25              cancelled meetings.






            1                      Pennsylvania Economy League hired to


            2              help Scranton out of it's distressed city


            3              status, 17 years later Scranton is still


            4              distressed.  Pennsylvania Economy League


            5              still being paid.  What a racquet.


            6                      As far as grant money, I'm very


            7              familiar with federal, state and grant money


            8              as distributed -- how it is distributed.  I


            9              realize that if the money is not used it


           10              will be taken away and possibly never


           11              return.  My complaint is the way the city


           12              spends the grant money, taxpayers' money.


           13              They waste the money on projects that should


           14              be funded but they give the money to the


           15              rich developers and business owners.  There


           16              are so many ways this money could be used to


           17              help young or old struggling businesses get


           18              back on their street or possibly create new


           19              business in the city who might be able to


           20              open storefronts in the downtown and


           21              neighborhoods.  Instead, we give our money


           22              to Rinaldi, Joyce, Boscov, Hilton, Radison,


           23              Alexander's and Donahue to name a few.


           24                      Kildaire's restaurant hires nonunion


           25              workers and is it not pay union wages.  Jack






            1              Lockheed to inspect the company and manage


            2              the township is hired, only the restaurant


            3              neighbor McGrogan is a resident of


            4              Philadelphia.  Jerry Joyce is the property


            5              owner.  How many millions of taxpayer


            6              dollars has he received?  I guess this fits


            7              the theory of jobs and wages being brought


            8              into Scranton.


            9                      Let's find out how many Scranton


           10              union works work on the 500 Lackawanna


           11              Avenue project and how many Scranton union


           12              workers are working on the Connell building.


           13              The Mt. Pleasant corporate project and the


           14              University of Scranton.  My information says


           15              no union workers worked at the University of


           16              Scranton.  They are all nonunion workers.


           17              Mr. McGoff, are you awake or are you


           18              sleeping?


           19                      MR. MCGOFF: Excuse me?


           20                      MR. JACKOWITZ:  I asked you, are you


           21              awake or are you sleeping?  I couldn't tell


           22              because your eyes were closed and you were


           23              holding your head up.  I just asked you a


           24              question, that's all I did.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF: Don't be rude.






            1                      MR. JACKOWITZ: I'm not being rude.


            2              You were rude by laughing at Mr. Quinn, so


            3              don't tell me not be rude, okay?


            4              Northwestern Pennsylvania -- Northeastern


            5              Pennsylvania again votes and we get 15


            6              million, plus another 84 for schools.  I


            7              hope Scranton spends some of their 9 million


            8              to heat West Scranton High School and repair


            9              the ceilings in the middle school.  Stars


           10              and afterschool programs like the young lady


           11              talked about at this meeting.


           12                      Also, my friend on Hemlock Street is


           13              not very happy because her dog was skunked


           14              in her own backyard, so maybe we need to get


           15              the skunk patrol out and active because, you


           16              know, people don't like getting their dogs


           17              skunked.


           18                      Are the cameras working in the city


           19              of Scranton that the police department in


           20              the city put up, Mr. McGoff?


           21                      MR. MCGOFF: I have no idea.


           22                      MR. JACKOWITZ: Can you find out for


           23              me or would that be asking too much?


           24                      MR. MCGOFF: You know, you are being


           25              rude.






            1                      MR. JACKOWITZ: No, I'm not.


            2                      MR. MCGOFF: Yes, you are.


            3                      MR. JACKOWITZ: No, I'm not.  It's


            4              your opinion that I'm being rude, it's my


            5              opinion that I am not.


            6                      MR. MCGOFF: Okay.


            7                      MR. JACKOWITZ: All I did was ask you


            8              a question and I have yet to -- I have to


            9              yet to laugh --


           10                      MR. MCGOFF: -- with the comment.


           11                      MR. JACKOWITZ:  I have yet to laugh


           12              at you, have I?  Have I laughed at you yet?


           13              I have yet to laugh at you, have I?  So I'm


           14              not being rude, so please don't accuse of me


           15              of something that you can't back up.


           16                      MR. MCGOFF: Excuse me.  It was rude.


           17                      MR. TALIMINI: Joe Talimini,


           18              Scranton.  I find myself in a very unique


           19              position tonight, I'm defending the council


           20              and some of the speakers and I'm taking


           21              issue with at the same time.  One thing I'd


           22              like to clarify is the subject of


           23              aromatherapy.  I don't think anybody in here


           24              knows what they are talking about when it


           25              comes to aromatherapy, I have been moved






            1              around since 1973.  I have been a certified


            2              professional hypnotist and member of the


            3              World Congress of Hypnotists since 1984.  I


            4              taught metaphysics, I've studied physics, I


            5              had a metaphysical center, and I can tell


            6              you right now, and I would have to defer to


            7              Mr. Minora on this subject, hypnosis,


            8              aromatherapy, holistic medicine is accepted


            9              in some areas, it's regulated in other


           10              areas.  There are people who are unlicensed


           11              that practice it, including Wal-Mart and a


           12              few others, but aromatherapy is merely a


           13              term.  Anybody who practices aromatherapy


           14              has a history of holistic medicine and they


           15              studied it very gratefully.


           16                      You can go back to Buddhism and


           17              Hinduism and go back to the Catholic Church,


           18              incense, oils, etcetera, used constantly for


           19              centuries now.  So to take it and make an


           20              issue out of this, I don't know this lady,


           21              but I'm sure that what she is doing within


           22              reason and it's a legitimate thing.  I mean,


           23              I can go to Wal-Mart and buy aromatherapy


           24              soap and oils, etcetera.  It's a nonissue,


           25              but as long as it's going to become an issue






            1              I have take issue with you as well as


            2              Mr. Quinn and also defend your positions,


            3              both of you.  So I really don't know.


            4                      The primary reason I came tonight is


            5              because I saw two young ladies down at the


            6              parade the other day sitting on the float


            7              and/or on the dais and they acknowledged me


            8              and I said hello to them, but I also


            9              encountered several people from out of town


           10              who were very, very disturbed with the City


           11              of Scranton primarily because they could not


           12              get a cab.  These are people from


           13              Binghamton, people from Cleveland, people


           14              from Virginia, who came into this town with


           15              good intentions, spent money to be here for


           16              a parade and could not get a taxi cab.  They


           17              asked a police officer if he could get one


           18              and he told them flatly, half the times


           19              McCarthy Cab will not even answer their


           20              phone from the police department, and I can


           21              attest to that because I listen to my


           22              scanner all the time, and I take issue with


           23              the fact that if a police officer or a


           24              dispatcher calls for a cab McCarthy's


           25              insists on knowing whether or not the patron






            1              has any money.  I don't know that's


            2              incumbent upon the police department to find


            3              out whether a person has money or not.


            4                      I don't know how this cab company is


            5              regulated, but it certainly is lacking and


            6              it's deficient in it's service.  Now, I live


            7              in the senior building and I can tell you


            8              right now there are seniors who have to go


            9              to the doctors and they are waiting an hour


           10              or an hour and a half for their cab to show


           11              up.  That's deplorable.  I mean, if this cab


           12              company is regulated then somebody should


           13              look into why they are not meeting their


           14              obligations.




           16                      MR. MINORA: Can I interrupt you for


           17              a second?  That maybe be a PUC issue and I


           18              honestly don't know what the cab's


           19              requirements are, but they are licensed by


           20              the Public Utility Commission and it might


           21              be something to be raise with them.


           22              Frankly, that's not news, I have heard the


           23              same thing and Kay just mentioned the same


           24              thing to me.  If it's that widespread a


           25              problem perhaps bringing up to the PUC and






            1              whatever enforcement regulations they may


            2              have might be the way to go with that.  It's


            3              not -- once it it's regulated by the PUC the


            4              city won't have anything to do with it.


            5                      MR. TALIMINI: Well, does the city


            6              issue licenses for a cab company?


            7                      MS. GATELLI:  No.


            8                      MR. MINORA: The Public Utility


            9              Commission.


           10                      MR. TALIMINI: Okay.  So, in other


           11              words, anybody can come in here and open a


           12              cab company.


           13                      MR. MINORA:  No. You have to be


           14              licensed by -- yeah, well, if they are


           15              licensed by the Public Utility Commission,


           16              yes.


           17                      MR. TALIMINI: Thank you.  Because I


           18              have had several people ask if they could.


           19              I said I don't know, I'd check into it.


           20                      MR. MINORA:  Public Utility


           21              Commission.


           22                      MR. TALIMINI: But, I just thought it


           23              was something that council should be aware


           24              of and I think that something should be done


           25              because I don't think it's up to a police






            1              officer to ask me if I have a money if he


            2              calls a cab for me.  I mean, that's not what


            3              we are paying him for.  The cab company is


            4              making money, that's incumbent upon them to


            5              find out whether the customer has money or


            6              not.  That's all I have to say and thank you


            7              very much and I hope you clarify this


            8              aromatherapy situation.


            9                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr. Talimini.


           10                      MS. GATELLI: Mr. Talimini, just so


           11              you know, I did see an advertisement where


           12              they got money from, I don't know what


           13              organization, but they were giving free


           14              vouchers for taxi cabs so I wonder --


           15                      MR. TALIMINI: I had 38 e-mail


           16              messages yesterday and today people from out


           17              of town who could not get a cab to get back


           18              out to the Hampton Inn and places --


           19                      MS. GATELLI: I'll have to try see


           20              where that ad was and tell them that they


           21              couldn't get taxis.


           22                      MR. TALIMINI: And, you know, it's


           23              ridiculous because these people come here


           24              every year and get the same routine and it


           25              happens with the local citizens at well.






            1                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.


            2                      MR. TALIMINI: I mean, there is


            3              something radically wrong.


            4                      MR. MCGOFF: Please.


            5                      MS. HAAS: Good evening.  My name is


            6              Mary Ann Haas, and I'd like to bring to the


            7              attention of city council board here


            8              something that I think we all need to be


            9              concerned about, whether it's Scranton,


           10              Taylor, Moosic, Minooka, Old Forge, West


           11              Scranton, South Scranton, I take it all in.


           12              And, of course, there is a misconception in


           13              the newspaper and so forth that this


           14              particular thing that I will bring up only


           15              takes in Taylor, but after I explain this


           16              I'm sure you will see differently.


           17                      I'm concerned about the proposed


           18              Ethanol plant and refinery that has been


           19              brought to the attention only through


           20              Taylor, and Taylor has been meeting


           21              consistently on this right now and I think


           22              they have just taken it in hand and has been


           23              doing wonderful work, but they can't do it


           24              alone nor could they have to because, first


           25              of all, the misconception is Taylor,






            1              however, the good portion of the land is


            2              Scranton.  And, as a matter of fact, the


            3              last meeting that I went to, although it's


            4              been bandied about Taylor, Taylor, Taylor,


            5              the city council president actually said


            6              when he was pressed to the point of where it


            7              would be he said behind anthracite.  Now


            8              that is fully Scranton.


            9                      Not that it matters, because this


           10              cluster takes in everything, the effects of


           11              this particular refinery, really if there is


           12              any particular hazard or detriment that


           13              comes prosecute if will be spread out over


           14              all of these towns that I personally


           15              mentioned.


           16                      Now, first of all, I would like to


           17              say that it's closer.  This is a plant that


           18              was rejected in Mayfield and by the efforts


           19              of some very courageous people who just


           20              never quit and it's closer than Mayfield,


           21              and will sit right here in the middle of a


           22              cluster of urban areas right next to


           23              Steamtown, I mean, next to Wal-Mart.  I


           24              mean, I don't even know what that will do to


           25              the Wall-Mart project if they really become






            1              understanding that it's that close to them


            2              if it's their whole trade and the rest of


            3              the stores that might be affected.


            4                      I would like to say now, sorry to go


            5              on, but I need to get my head together.


            6              This is an inappropriate site for many


            7              reasons especially because it's close to


            8              neighbors and homes and businesses;


            9              secondly, because of the hazard, the high


           10              potential for hazard and the hazards are,


           11              the mines.  There is a whole cluster on


           12              honeycomb mines all under that area, and


           13              that honeycomb mines I can vouch for myself,


           14              this was actually mine fires at that time, I


           15              used to look out my window and it used to


           16              look beautiful.  I mean, actually the whole


           17              area was just covered with beautiful blue


           18              flames.  What did I know?


           19                      But, anyway, those were fires and


           20              they were able to put them out, but should


           21              this particular thing go there and the fire


           22              would be -- a fire would come forward, this


           23              can ignite the situation again.  And then,


           24              of course, we are saying about what the


           25              product is.  It's Ethanol fire.  Ethanol.






            1              Ethanol has a great potential for fire.  The


            2              set point of the fire as it comes out is


            3              extremely low.  It can't be put out with


            4              water, it needs special foam.  You can't


            5              determine what kind of foam it is sometime


            6              until the fire rages, so that you can have


            7              all of this foam in storage and then all of


            8              a sudden found out you have the wrong one


            9              and you really up a creek especially for


           10              those poor fire departments that are going


           11              to be faced with that calamity.


           12                      There is no real plan for an access


           13              road to come into that area and people have


           14              bandied about and said where would it


           15              possibly even come in.  The only road that


           16              goes into that, you know, of any great


           17              degree is the one that comes out on Elm


           18              Street where all the trucks will come out


           19              but that's not an access road for this


           20              department.


           21                      I was really surprised, too, when


           22              you said there was a plan for two less fire


           23              departments.  This would be even more


           24              hazardous to us.  There is also special


           25              training that needs to be done for fire






            1              departments.  There is an expense that you


            2              say to yourself to whose benefit is this?


            3                      I think one of the things when you


            4              even determine whether there is some city


            5              zoning change is to what benefit would you


            6              change a zone that would benefit the


            7              community?  This would not benefit the


            8              community and will put it at great hazardous


            9              risk.


           10                      You also need an evacuation plan,


           11              and if you think about it, just a few weeks


           12              ago, maybe less than two weeks ago, there


           13              was a train derailment right off the


           14              expressway, and two cars tipped over and


           15              they lost 12 Escalades, Cadillac Escalades,


           16              but the next car had it tipped over would


           17              have warranted and evacuation, because it


           18              had just the one car would have created that


           19              kind of a hazard with the stuff that would


           20              go into the environment.


           21                      Now, in this case the storage tanks


           22              on the land that would be projected -- can I


           23              just finish this little --


           24                      MR. MCGOFF: Finish, please.


           25                      MS. HAAS: It would be two






            1              three-quarter million gallons storage tanks


            2              of this highly excessive fuel.  The rail


            3              exit, you can't depend on the DPW because


            4              the DPW has lowered their standards from 150


            5              ton of pollutants that go out into the air


            6              to 250 to accommodate businesses.  And,


            7              also, it's not zoned for this, that's the


            8              bottom line.  We would have to change zoning


            9              which would be foolish to do.  Lackawanna


           10              County Planning Commission did not give a


           11              recommendation for this already for Taylor.


           12                      Remember this is not limited to


           13              Taylor, there is strength in numbers, and if


           14              anyone would like to be kept informed about


           15              this issue they can e-mail us at


           16              StoptheEthanolPlant@comcast.net.  And,


           17              please, we need to get together as a


           18              combined community and so there is Ethanol


           19              meetings on this, you know, as a kick off


           20              for us, would be in Taylor next Tuesday,


           21              March 24, at the Borough building in Taylor,


           22              and that's off Union Street, you know,


           23              before you go up to Davis Street and they


           24              let everyone speak so this Ethanol plant


           25              will be a high priority, and then there is






            1              two following that April 7 and April 8, both


            2              at 7:30, all of them are at 7:30, so it's


            3              next Wednesday -- Tuesday the 24th, the


            4              following 7th and 8th is the council meeting


            5              and the work session.  I hope I'm not


            6              confusing about these meetings I just came


            7              up with them now, but I really ask all of


            8              our city residents and surrounding


            9              communities to get involved.  Thank you very


           10              much.


           11                      MS. MCGOFF: Thank you, Ms. Haas.


           12                      MS. GATELLI: Maryann, I left a


           13              message at the house, but I didn't hear back


           14              from you and I announced earlier, and you


           15              weren't here yet, we are having a meeting


           16              Wednesday at Smith's at 5:30 with Minooka,


           17              South Side and West Side.


           18                      MS. HAAS: And there is so much more


           19              information about this.  It's just we


           20              can't --


           21                      MS. GATELLI: Please try to make it.


           22                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.  Anyone else?


           23                      MS. KRAKE: Good evening, Council.


           24              My name is Nancy Krake.  First I would just


           25              like to remind everyone that if you would






            1              like to pay your 2008 city real estate taxes


            2              you can still do so in our office up until


            3              March 31.


            4                      I would also like to make just a few


            5              comments.  When several of the speakers were


            6              mentioning the increased revenue from the


            7              Single Tax Office I would like to remind


            8              everyone that Mrs. Evans' budgets included


            9              them and they also included pay cuts for


           10              administrative people that have received


           11              them over the years.  They were truly


           12              balanced budgets which no one on this


           13              council besides Mr. Courtright supported.


           14                      There was an article in the Times


           15              Leader where DCED, the Department of


           16              Community and Economic Development made


           17              several, you know, basically they lie.  You


           18              know, I don't like to say that, but they


           19              did.  As far as administrative people


           20              receiving salary increases and so forth, I'd


           21              like to refer to an article in the Scranton


           22              Times November of 2005.  Our human resources


           23              director actually decided to take to


           24              arbitration maternity leave of the clerical


           25              contract.  The city loss.  Mrs. Moran






            1              received $5,236 for a 12-week maternity


            2              leave that she rewarded to herself after the


            3              clerks won the award that she fought. Also,


            4              another administrative person was awarded


            5              that same thing.  That was also after she


            6              had been working from home and had already


            7              been paid, let's see, several thousand


            8              dollars for working at home and coming into


            9              evening meetings while she was on the leave.


           10                      So that's a huge violation of the


           11              Recovery Plan which says:  "Whatever the


           12              terms of future collective bargaining


           13              agreements, arbitration awards, etcetera, no


           14              back wages or other retroactive adjustments


           15              shall be paid."


           16                      So the administration violated their


           17              own Recovery Plan.  And speaking of


           18              Mrs. Moran, there are not supposed to be any


           19              wage increases, she has received well over


           20              $100,000 since 2002 in strictly wage


           21              increases.  If her salary had been frozen


           22              like police and fire that number would not


           23              exist.  Half of that $26 million difference


           24              between the budgets when this mayor came in


           25              and up until now the eight years, half of






            1              that are increases to administrative people.


            2              DCED lied.  Flat out.  If anyone would like


            3              to investigate this we have all of the facts


            4              and figures unlike them.


            5                      This mayor has given you a


            6              25 percent tax increase, so have people on


            7              this council, huge penalties and fines you


            8              must pay to a law firm and a collection


            9              agency when you can't pay your own taxes.


           10              The only way to stop this is to not vote for


           11              these people again.  You are only affirming


           12              what they have done to us in the past eight


           13              years, and obviously from the speakers we


           14              have heard tonight, the things they are


           15              taking away are your fire protection and


           16              your police protection.  This is no way to


           17              choose how to pay our city debts and how to


           18              use our tax dollars.  This is no way to run


           19              a city.  Thank you.


           20                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mrs. Krake.


           21                      MR. ANCHERANI: Good evening.  Nelson


           22              Ancherani, First Amendment Rights.  Last


           23              week I spoke about Fred Redding from the PA


           24              Economy League, is that an oxymoron when I


           25              state that?  If they were an Economy League






            1              I would assume, and there I go again making


            2              a donkey out of you and me, I assume that


            3              they would have the best interest of the


            4              taxpayers at heart, but then again, if they


            5              didn't have the administration at heart they


            6              wouldn't have jobs.  Reddings letter to the


            7              Taxpayers' Association sparked my interest


            8              since in previous years I worked out the pie


            9              charts for the budgeted years.  I hadn't


           10              gotten around to it this year until


           11              Redding's letter said the police and fire


           12              departments were 49 percent of the budget,


           13              so I decided to figure it out.


           14                      Stu made it easy when he just put


           15              the individual departments in the pie.  It


           16              was easy to figure out each department's


           17              budget.  In previous years when I figured


           18              out the expenditures pie chart, each


           19              department was inflated by higher


           20              percentages, which meant that the pie charts


           21              percentages were higher than the amount in


           22              the budget pages for the listed pie chart


           23              slices.  This made the total amounts higher


           24              in the pie chart than on the actual pages of


           25              the budget thereby causing a difference in






            1              the pie chart budget total.


            2                      The previous years differences were


            3              the totals of the tax anticipation notes.


            4              This year the budget does not include the


            5              words excluding tax anticipation notes.  The


            6              expenditure pie chart this year again


            7              inflates the pie slices.  Police and fire


            8              come in at 35 percent of the budget, not 49


            9              going from 38 million to 27 million, a


           10              difference of 11 million.  Again, this year


           11              all of the slices, the pie slices, are


           12              inflated.  The difference this year totals


           13              $23,998,000 in change.  This totals the


           14              nondepartmental expenditures which aren't


           15              even listed in the pie chart.


           16                      Did you three, Mrs. Gatelli, who I


           17              believe is the finance chair, Ms. Fanucci


           18              and Mr. McGoff know that when you voted on


           19              the budget?  Does anyone know why


           20              nondepartmental expenditures are not listed


           21              on the pie chart?  Approximately 24 million


           22              is a lot of money to not list it as a slice


           23              of the pie.  If I was conspiracy theorists,


           24              which I'm not, I would be thinking inflating


           25              the pie chart slices would make the police






            1              and fire and for that matter all of the


            2              departments in this city, including the


            3              mayor's, look like they were spending more


            4              for employee services than they are, thus


            5              being able to keep us in distressed status.


            6                      But then again, why is a


            7              nondepartmental expenditures not included on


            8              the pie chart as it's own slice?


            9              Twenty-four million is a lot of money.


           10              Divide that up amongst the departments and


           11              they are really inflated.  In year's past,


           12              the pie slices were inflated, but the total


           13              difference equal the tax anticipation notes.


           14              As Mrs. Evans would say, "It doesn't pass


           15              the smelly taste."


           16                      Nondepartmental expenditures are


           17              approximately 31 percent of the budget.


           18              They are not employee-related costs.  Some


           19              examples are the Everhart museum, Genesis


           20              Wildlife refuge, and I wander if the monkeys


           21              are watching Dancing with the Stars on their


           22              TV's, and it includes $22,393,017 to debt


           23              service in TANS.  That leaves 69 percent for


           24              the service end of the city duties, wages,


           25              supplies, electricity, and any of numerous






            1              supplies needed to run the service industry,


            2              which the city isn't.


            3                      Mrs. Gatelli, as finance chair, she


            4              not there, can you find out why


            5              nondepartmental expenditures are hidden in


            6              the budget pie slices and don't have their


            7              own slice of the pipe?  I also thought of


            8              something else, Mrs. Gatelli as finance


            9              chair since you and Ms. Fanucci and


           10              Mr. McGoff voted for a budget that is being


           11              plugged with the expectation of 5.5 million


           12              in found money in the Single Tax Office, how


           13              would you handle the budget for 2010 if that


           14              money is it not materialize from the tax


           15              office?


           16                      Without that money from the tax


           17              office we will have a 5.5 million deficit


           18              this year and going into next year.  We will


           19              have at least a 11 million deficit, possibly


           20              15 million.  Would you raise taxes the


           21              second 25 percent and third 25 percent that


           22              PEL and the mayor said was needed and wanted


           23              for 2008/2009?  Would you borrow more money,


           24              but that might not be possible with the


           25              economy.  Can I finish just a little bit?






            1                      MR. MCGOFF: Please.


            2                      MR. ANCHERANI:  But that might be


            3              impossible with the economy the way it is.


            4              We are all already at 300 million of


            5              long-term debt.  Please don't say that it


            6              too early to start thinking about the 2010


            7              budget.  It is only eight months away.  I


            8              know that the taxpayers out there are


            9              thinking about it so, Council, what will you


           10              do?  Thank you.


           11                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr.


           12              Ancherani?  Anyone else?  Mrs. Evans?


           13                      MS. EVANS: Good evening.  I wish to


           14              apologize for my absence from the last two


           15              week's meetings.  I was ill and unable to


           16              attend school, council, and all public


           17              functions during that time.  I do recognize


           18              the importance of my duties and


           19              responsibilities and will never take them


           20              lightly.


           21                      First, I was contacted by residents


           22              of the Matthew Avenue area regarding the


           23              chemical spraying of vegetation by PPL in


           24              their area.  I support their opposition to


           25              such measures and will attend all meetings






            1              that they request to stand with them and


            2              help them fight this health and safety


            3              issue.


            4                      Next, I have also been in regular


            5              contact with residents of West Scranton,


            6              Bellevue, and South Side who adamantly


            7              oppose the construction of an Ethanol plant


            8              behind the site of the new Wal-Mart and


            9              adjoining shopping mall.


           10                      I understand that East Elm Street


           11              between South Washington Avenue and the Elm


           12              Street viaduct will be used as an access


           13              road to this plant which intends to produce


           14              Ethanol, jet fuel and diesel fuel.  There


           15              will be at least one and possibly two


           16              70-foot high holding tanks on the site which


           17              is not far from the Lackawanna River as well


           18              as railroad tracks running through the area.


           19                       Residents of Taylor await the


           20              decision of the Taylor council since the


           21              Taylor planning commission would not rule on


           22              the installation of this plant.  No


           23              legislation has reached Scranton to date and


           24              I would anticipate that Mr. Scheller will


           25              contact Scranton's governing bodies to






            1              present information and requests, and was


            2              mentioned earlier, there will be a meeting


            3              Wednesday at 5:30 at Smith's restaurant to


            4              discuss the impact of an Ethanol plant on


            5              Scranton and I believe that Mr. Scheller,


            6              CEO of Northeast Ethanol will attend.


            7                      I encourage residents of South Side,


            8              Minooka, West Scranton and Bellevue to


            9              attend.  Scrantonians deserve to know the


           10              impact of this plant on our neighborhoods


           11              because we know that you cannot put a price


           12              tag on good health and human life.


           13              Northeastern Pennsylvania already suffers


           14              from an alarmingly and abnormally high


           15              cancer rate and we can ill afford to add to


           16              that tract.  There is strength in numbers


           17              and in knowledge, so please try to attend.


           18                      About two weeks ago council accepted


           19              minutes of the police and firemen's pension


           20              committee meetings for January 2009.  As I


           21              scanned those meeting minutes, I was


           22              troubled to see the number of highly


           23              experienced police officers who were leaving


           24              the Scranton Police Department and the


           25              number of experienced firefighters who are






            1              applying to buy back time in order to make


            2              arrangements to leave their jobs as well.


            3              The exodus from our police department isn't


            4              news to anyone, but it seems now to be


            5              spreading to our fire department.


            6                      Our community has lost dedicated


            7              veteran police officers to neighboring


            8              communities and the state police force


            9              mainly because the seven-year stretch of low


           10              pay and the lower moral could no longer be


           11              survived and now it inoculates the fire


           12              department.


           13                      In this case I have to wonder if we


           14              are losing some of our most experienced


           15              firemen not only because of the contract


           16              unrest, but also because veterans are trying


           17              to provide for over 30 of their newer


           18              brothers and coworkers who stand to lose


           19              their jobs as the mayor cuts manpower and


           20              closes engine companies.  Some call this


           21              progress.  I'd like to know how many


           22              taxpayers agree to downsize safety in their


           23              neighborhoods in the name of progress.  Do


           24              the people who pay the bills have a voice in


           25              these cuts?  Do you even have a voice in the






            1              stimulus package and how it's spent locally?


            2              Do you choose a library or streets, curbs


            3              and bridges, for example?  Do you choose


            4              upper level housing and more office space in


            5              the downtown or your neighborhood?  And the


            6              Scranton State School for the Deaf, do you


            7              chose public safety or highly paid


            8              management?  Tax increases or fiscal


            9              restraint?


           10                      There is simply isn't enough funding


           11              available for all projects, but the


           12              decisions should reflect the will of the


           13              people.  Unfortunately, the only decision


           14              too many politicians will allow you is the


           15              one you make every four years at the voting


           16              poles when they scurry to make you forget


           17              what they have done to you and promise you


           18              everything from DPW t-shirts, to street


           19              paving to loans and grants, to blight


           20              removal.  During those four in-between years


           21              they make decisions by talking to other


           22              politicians, lobbyists and campaign


           23              contributors.  They choose the heavy hitters


           24              rather than remembering who elected them.


           25              The four-year employment contract is between






            1              the elected official and the people.  It's


            2              not between local politicians.


            3                      And next, Kay, I would like to send


            4              a letter to Representative Kevin Smith in


            5              support of his legislation to prevent


            6              excessive county taxes and to allow that any


            7              county tax increase that exceeds 5 percent


            8              will be placed on a referendum for


            9              taxpayers' approval, and I know that my


           10              colleagues, Mrs. Gatelli and Mrs. Fanucci


           11              and Mr. McGoff were not in support of this


           12              legislation, and so we'll send the letter


           13              simply on behalf of myself.


           14                      I would also support the


           15              resurrection of a City Home Rule Charter


           16              Commission and any efforts made to control


           17              excessive tax increases in Scranton.  It is


           18              one way to reign in the borrowing and


           19              spending habits of a mayor who creates


           20              massive debt.


           21                      On an encouraging note, two local


           22              rainbows have appeared lately after a


           23              lengthy storm, the federal stimulus package


           24              will provide 2.5 million in much needed


           25              funding to the Scranton Housing Authority






            1              for the renovation of the Washington Plaza


            2              apartments.  Many families have waited far


            3              to long to return to their neighborhood.


            4                      In addition, Scranton will receive


            5              46,000 to purchase two emergency flood pumps


            6              and $3,700 for a sprayer for vegetation


            7              control from a state flood grant.  I do hope


            8              these flood pumps will be used for the areas


            9              of lower Greenridge where the city has


           10              failed to provide protection on river banks


           11              for the last two years as the federal flood


           12              project continues in the Parker Street area


           13              which continued to suffer, although the Plot


           14              flood projects was completed.


           15                      As Mrs. Gatelli mentioned before,


           16              the audit report of the Scranton Tax Office


           17              will be read this Friday, March 20.


           18              Although several postponements occurred in


           19              the last three weeks, the forensic auditors


           20              will present their findings to the


           21              stakeholders, that would be representatives


           22              of the county, of the city, the mayor and


           23              city council specifically, and the Scranton


           24              School Board, and legal representatives of


           25              each, and then the report will be released






            1              publically on the Scranton Tax Office


            2              website.


            3                      In addition, I hope that


            4              Mr. Seitzinger will soon implement the


            5              Pennsylvania Blight Law which allows judges


            6              to appoint conservators who can facilitate


            7              the rehabilitation of decaying properties


            8              that have been vacant for a year and where


            9              the owner is absent.  Scranton has far too


           10              much these properties, many of which have


           11              been abandoned for many, many years.  The


           12              neighbors are at wit's end waiting for a


           13              resolution to these eyesores and safety


           14              hazards.


           15                      And I do have, as you can imagine, a


           16              very lengthy list of citizens' requests that


           17              I have acquired over the last two and a half


           18              weeks.  If you will excuse me I'm not going


           19              to read them tonight, but I will pass them


           20              onto Neil, who is a very good assistant, and


           21              ask Neil that all of these letters be sent


           22              out this week, and that's it.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.  Mrs.


           24              Gatelli?


           25                      MS. GATELLI:  I heard from Attorney






            1              Penetar as you know, we have been asking for


            2              some amendments and ideas from people that


            3              would like to see some changes to the zoning


            4              ordinance.  Two of the items were pole barns


            5              and garages and windmills, those were the


            6              first two that were brought to my attention.


            7              The other ones that were brought by the


            8              zoning board were stand alone signs in a


            9              neighborhood commercial zone, reduce the


           10              height to 25 feet; restrict recycling


           11              collection centers to light industrial zones


           12              and general industrial zones, 500 feet from


           13              residential lot lines.  Change to one


           14              commercial vehicle under 6,000 pounds in a


           15              residential zone to be parked.  No trailers


           16              to be parked in a residential zone.  No


           17              trailers within 500 feet of a residential


           18              lot line.  Outdoor storage, require paved


           19              surfaces or a plan approved by the city


           20              engineer.  Tires, reduce the number from 250


           21              to address service stations.  Multi-family


           22              homes change to all existing dwellings,


           23              Section 402.1, and no parking in the front


           24              setbacks.  Site distances at intersections,


           25              excessive restructures, reduce the maximum






            1              height.  If anyone has any other


            2              recommendations before I send these to


            3              Attorney Penetar to work on, please notify


            4              Mrs. Garvey.


            5                      Also, I did send a letter to


            6              Mr. Beasley at PPL, have not heard back from


            7              him yet concerning the spraying of


            8              herbicides in the Matthew Avenue section of


            9              the City of Scranton and also in other areas


           10              where they intend to spray with herbicides.


           11              I will keep you posted when we hear that.


           12                      I just wanted to give you an update


           13              on houses that have been rehabilitated.  It


           14              seems that we hear all negative things from


           15              these chambers, and I'd like to bring to


           16              your attention some of the positives things


           17              that have been happening.  Our HOME program,


           18              our subrecipient for that is Neighborhood


           19              Housing Services of Lackawanna County.  They


           20              have been the subrecipient since 2004.


           21              There have been 66 homes have been


           22              rehabilitated and that includes lead-based


           23              paint abatement.  The total amount of


           24              funding that was spent for housing


           25              rehabilitation was 1.242 million dollars.






            1              The City of Scranton's emergency rehab


            2              program is funded under CDBG in the amount


            3              of $124,000 and has provided assistant to 22


            4              households.


            5                      Also, they have put out to bid


            6              paving of city streets to include


            7              handicapped curb cuts, and I would just like


            8              to briefly read a list of the streets:


            9                      Twenty-two, 23 and 2,400 of Amelia


           10              Avenue in the Plot Section; four, five and


           11              600 of Grace Street in the Plot Section,


           12              Shawnee over from Race to Bates; four and


           13              five of Depot; 1,000 of Hemlock; eight and


           14              nine of Adams; Vine Street between Penn and


           15              Mulberry behind the Veteran's Hospital; 100


           16              of Spruce; Eleven and 12 of Swetland;


           17              Sixteen of Muncy; 300 of Filmore and the 500


           18              of North Sumner, and there will be more when


           19              the stimulus package is approved.  One of


           20              the areas where they are going to focus is


           21              on paving of city streets, so we are


           22              certainly looking forward to that.


           23                      Also, when the gentleman spoke about


           24              taxi cabs, there is a service from the


           25              county, and I don't have the phone number at






            1              hand, but I will ask Kay to get it for us


            2              for next week, the county provides a service


            3              with their vans where they will pick up


            4              people, especially in the elderly


            5              high-rises, and take them to doctor's


            6              appointments and places where they have to


            7              go, so maybe they don't know about that


            8              service and that's why they are waiting for


            9              taxi cabs.  It is a free service.  It is


           10              provided by the county, and I will have the


           11              number for you next week.  In the mean time,


           12              you might want to call the county


           13              commissioner's office and they will tell you


           14              where you can call to get the van to take


           15              you back and forth to the doctor.


           16                      As far as the Ethanol plant, I


           17              attended a meeting this past week with the


           18              Minooka Neighborhood Association and


           19              previous to that we had some people from


           20              Taylor attending our last South Side


           21              neighborhood meeting, which was the end of


           22              February, and we have since found out many


           23              things about the Ethanol plant, and the fact


           24              that it is not zoned for the City of


           25              Scranton.  I did check the zoning maps, it's






            1              light industrial, and it is not permitted in


            2              that particular area, however, it may be


            3              permitted in the Taylor side, so we need to


            4              all rally together and support this.  It may


            5              not effect everyone in the City of Scranton,


            6              but it certainly will effect a great portion


            7              of our community and we would not want it


            8              anywhere else in our community either, so


            9              please try to attend on Wednesday evening.


           10                      The owner, CEO of Northeast Ethanol,


           11              will be there to make a presentation and


           12              certainly to answer some of our questions


           13              that we have.  I have also contacted people


           14              in Taylor to make them aware of the that


           15              they are certainly welcome to come to our


           16              informational meeting, and that's all I


           17              have.  Thank you.


           18                      MS. EVANS: Mr. McGoff, one thing


           19              then I'll be quiet.  Kay, could we find out


           20              first thing tomorrow what engine companies


           21              the mayor intends to close?


           22                      MS. GARVEY: Okay.


           23                      MS. EVANS: And on what study he is


           24              basing his decision or on who is


           25              recommendation he is basing his decision?






            1                      MS. GARVEY: Okay.


            2                      MS. EVANS: Thanks.  And I just


            3              wanted to very much thank my colleagues


            4              tonight on council for their very kind


            5              consideration of my situation tonight.  I


            6              really appreciate it very much.  Thank each


            7              and every one of you.


            8                      MR. MCGOFF: Mrs. Fanucci.


            9                      MS. FANUCCI: I have one request, we


           10              have had this request probably about 50


           11              times since I have been here, but it's for a


           12              four-way stop sign on East Gibson and North


           13              Webster, and every time we talk about this


           14              we say, you know, that they don't want to do


           15              four-way stop signs anymore, but there have


           16              been so many accidents there lately that the


           17              residents are actually really starting to be


           18              afraid and because people are using this


           19              route to go to the hospitals and they are


           20              flying down the street and there is


           21              millions, you know, besides the traffic, but


           22              the children.  There is tons of children


           23              around there, so I think that maybe send a


           24              letter to the mayor's office and ask him if


           25              we can do something with the attorneys






            1              because what they are saying now is that


            2              four-way stop signs are actually not allowed


            3              for some reason, I guess there is some new


            4              law, but if there is something we could do


            5              to try to get four-way stop signs if we can.


            6                      I also want to thank the fire -- or


            7              the policemen and woman for all that they


            8              did on Saturday.  We had that many wonderful


            9              people in our city and it was a pleasure to


           10              be there and watch and everybody was safe


           11              and had a good time and it was not, I'm sure


           12              not an easy task to make it look as


           13              wonderful as it ended to be.  The event was


           14              great and I'm just happy and want to thank


           15              them for all that they do because without


           16              them it would not have worked out.


           17                      I also want to send a letter because


           18              of Mr. Ancherani's -- since this is a very


           19              good idea to talk about the monies that will


           20              be coming in and what we could do to plug


           21              the hole in the budget that we talked about.


           22              I'd like a letter to Stu Renda and also the


           23              Single Tax Office.  I did request this a few


           24              weeks ago, but I'm going to go into a little


           25              bit more in detail to provide an anticipated






            1              of tax revenue that would be coming in from


            2              the KOZ and the KOEZ in 2010 and 2012.  That


            3              way we can figure out what we are looking at


            4              and what we are hoping for and maybe reap


            5              some benefits of, you know, that we waited


            6              long to see how much is going to come in so


            7              I want to send that letter, and I was going


            8              to do the housing rehab so I'm glad you did


            9              that because that is something that every


           10              week we hear that we do not do this, and we


           11              do that to the city so that's wonderful, and


           12              that is all I have.  Thank you.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.  I, too,


           14              would like to commend the St. Patrick's Day


           15              Parade Committee for a wonderful event.


           16              Over 11,000 participants in the parade


           17              itself, some people may have found it a


           18              little lengthy.  It ran for almost close to


           19              four hours from beginning to end, but the


           20              parade itself was a great event and the


           21              streets are filled with families and


           22              enjoying the parade and I realize that are


           23              some after effects of the parade, but the


           24              event itself I think is one of the best


           25              things that we do in this city and so my






            1              thanks to that parade committee for what


            2              they have done and what they do ever year.


            3                      And last thing, I would just like to


            4              apologize to Danielle and Company and the


            5              owner for the statements that were made


            6              concerning their business, concerning the


            7              owner and that business.  And, yes, I did


            8              respond to the statements because they were


            9              preposterous.  The statements they were


           10              simply try to demonize a reputable business


           11              and its owner, and I don't think that that's


           12              necessary.  Statements of that type are


           13              unwarranted, they are misleading, and they


           14              have really no place in this chamber.  It


           15              was pure hyperbole and somehow we let it


           16              influence us and maybe brought a, you know,


           17              person's reputation into question and for


           18              that I apologize.


           19                      And I have never -- I have never


           20              insulted or been disrespectful to a person


           21              in these chambers.  I don't intend to be, I


           22              don't think it's a place for that type of


           23              behavior.  I don't know that the same can be


           24              said of all of the speakers that come to


           25              that podium, but I will attempt at all times






            1              to treat everyone with the respect that's


            2              due to them as members of this community and


            3              as people participating in government in


            4              these chambers, and I take it personally


            5              when that is brought into question.  And


            6              thank you and we have nothing else?  Motion


            7              to adjourn.


            8                      MS. GATELLI: Thank you.


            9                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.








































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            4        I hereby certify that the proceedings and


            5   evidence are contained fully and accurately in the


            6   notes of testimony taken by me at the hearing of the


            7   above-captioned matter and that the foregoing is a true


            8   and correct transcript of the same to the best of my


            9   ability.







                                    CATHENE S. NARDOZZI, RPR

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