1              SCRANTON CITY COUNCIL MEETING








            5                          HELD:




            7                   Tuesday, January 6, 2009




            9                        LOCATION:


           10                    Council Chambers


           11                 Scranton City Hall


           12              340 North Washington Avenue


           13                Scranton, Pennsylvania











































                MS. JANET E. EVANS



            9   MS. SHERRY FANUCCI



                MR. WILLIAM COURTRIGHT



           12   MS. KAY GARVEY, CITY CLERK






           15   MR. AMIL MINORA, SOLICITOR


























            1   (Pledge of Allegiance recited and moment of reflection


            2   observed.)


            3                      MR. MCGOFF:  Roll call, please?


            4                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.


            5                      MS. EVANS:  Here.


            6                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Gatelli.


            7                      MS. GATELLI.  Here.


            8                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.


            9                      MS. FANUCCI:  Here.


           10                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. Courtright.


           11                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Here.


           12                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF:  Here.  Dispense with


           14              the reading of the minutes.  Third Order.


           15                      MS. GARVEY: 3-A. MEETING OF THE




           17              NOVEMBER 12, 2008 WAS CANCELLED DUE TO LACK


           18              OF QUORUM.


           19                      THE COURT:  Are there any comments?


           20              If not, received and filed.


           21                      MS. GARVEY: 3-B. MINUTES OF THE




           23              ON NOVEMBER 12, 2008.


           24                      MR. MCGOFF: Are there any comments?


           25              If not, received and filed.






            1                      MS. GARVEY: 3-C. MINUTES OF THE




            3              HELD ON NOVEMBER 12, 2008.


            4                      MR. MCGOFF: Are there any comments?


            5              If not, received and filed.


            6                      MS. GARVEY: 3-D. MINUTES OF THE




            8              AUTHORITY MEETING HELD ON NOVEMBER 20, 2008.


            9                      MR. MCGOFF: Are there any comments?


           10              If not, received and filed.


           11                      MS. GARVEY: 3-E. MINUTES OF THE




           13              NOVEMBER 26, 2008.


           14                      MR. MCGOFF: Are there any comments?


           15              If not, received and filed.


           16                      MS. GARVEY: 3-F.  CONTROLLER'S


           17              REPORT FOR THE MONTH ENDING NOVEMBER 30,


           18              2008.


           19                      MR. MCGOFF: Are there any comments?


           20              If not, received and filed.


           21                      MS. GARVEY: 3-G. APPLICATIONS AND




           23              BOARD MEETING HELD ON DECEMBER 10, 2008.


           24                      MR. MCGOFF: Are there any comments?


           25              If not, received and filed.






            1                      MS. GARVEY:  3-H.  AGENDA FOR THE




            3              DECEMBER 17, 2008.


            4                      MR. MCGOFF: Are there any comments?


            5              If not, received and filed.


            6                      MS. GARVEY: 3-I.  AGENDA FOR THE




            8              DECEMBER 17, 2008.


            9                      MR. MCGOFF:  Are there any comments?


           10              If not, received and filed.


           11                      MS. GARVEY: 3-J. TAX COLLECTION




           13              TAX OFFICE ON DECEMBER 24, 2008.


           14                      MR. MCGOFF: Are there any comments?


           15              If not, received and filed.


           16                      MS. GARVEY: 3-K.  TAX COLLECTION




           18              TAX OFFICE ON DECEMBER 30, 2008.


           19                      MR. MCGOFF: Are there any comments?


           20              If not, received and filed.


           21                      MS. GARVEY: 3-L. AGENDA FOR THE




           23              JANUARY 4, 2009.


           24                      MR. MCGOFF: Are there any comments?


           25              If not, received and filed.






            1                      MS. GARVEY: That's it or Third


            2              Order.


            3                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mrs. Garvey.


            4              Prior to citizen's participation are there


            5              any announcements?  No?  Citizens


            6              participation.  Andy Sbaraglia.


            7                      MR. SBARAGALIA: Andy Sbaraglia,


            8              citizen of Scranton, fellow Scrantonians.


            9              About two months ago I got a copy of the


           10              Parking Authority audit, and I stated at


           11              that time that the parking authority was in


           12              effect bankrupt.  There is a little article


           13              in the paper, "Shouldered with debt," and


           14              the reason we are shouldered with debt is


           15              because you keep building garages and that's


           16              the reason why.  The Scranton Parking


           17              Authority over borrowing $568,000 to close


           18              their budget.  This is that letter of credit


           19              that you seem to like to give to people,


           20              okay?  What it is, is a personal bank


           21              problem.  They don't come to you anymore,


           22              they got $10 million in high debt, the last


           23              one was ten million, I don't know if this


           24              one is, I shouldn't quote ten million, but


           25              that's seems to be somewhere in the






            1              neighborhood that they like to give these


            2              letters of credit for.


            3                      Now, there is a big thing to keep


            4              building garages when you really can't


            5              afford to upkeep them or even pay the


            6              interest on it.  You know what's going to


            7              happen, don't you?  The parking authority is


            8              going to come to a point where they got to


            9              pay off all of these bonds, they are not


           10              going have the money.  I was told that you


           11              can park over the mall and you pay a hundred


           12              bucks and they give you a hundred bucks to


           13              purchase stuff in the mall.  In other words,


           14              you have a net income of free, okay?  You


           15              don't think about it.  Well, it was offered


           16              to the workers in the state office building.


           17                      MS. FANUCCI:  I park over there


           18              myself and I'm wondering why I never heard


           19              of that.  I don't know about this program.


           20                      MR. SBARAGLIA: Ask for the parking


           21              -- ask for the parking from the state, what


           22              kind of a deal they worked out with the


           23              state employees.


           24                      MS. FANUCCI: I work for the state.


           25              That's why I'm saying --






            1                      MR. SBARAGLIA: I realize that --


            2                      MS. FANUCCI:  I will say I don't


            3              know that with anyone that I know who works


            4              for them.


            5                      MR. SBARAGALIA: It was in the paper,


            6              but I'm not going to get into a long


            7              discussion of it because I don't use it, but


            8              it was quoted in the paper.  Whether it's


            9              true or not, I don't know.


           10                      MS. FANUCCI: I don't know.


           11                      MR. SBARAGLIA: Unfortunately, I


           12              don't know park down that way, but anyway in


           13              the end they are going to collapse, and


           14              there is no question about that.  When you


           15              keep borrowing even for repairs there is no


           16              way in heck it can sustain itself and it's


           17              going to collapse.  You's are all going to


           18              walk away and say, "Too bad, so sad, the


           19              taxpayer is going to have to take the


           20              brunt."


           21                      Your job is to protect the taxpayers


           22              at all costs, not individual taxpayers, but


           23              the taxpayers at large.  You have another


           24              thing here.  Now, let's go with the 5-L.


           25              You want to -- 5-F you want to subordinate






            1              another loan like you keep saying, the bank


            2              don't want to give money to these people, so


            3              if anything goes wrong the bank gets their


            4              money and what do we do?  Where do we put


            5              our hands out?  You cannot keep


            6              subordinating loans, surely the hotel must


            7              have taught you something.  Maybe not.  But


            8              anyway.


            9                      Now, let's look at 5-M.  You are


           10              looking for another grant for $4 million for


           11              where, the Connell building.  You are


           12              building them a garage that eventually is


           13              going to bankrupt the city and you can care


           14              little or nothing, you just keep pouring


           15              money into these projects.  Now, that man


           16              bought that building, he got I believe it's


           17              called market, in other words, no matter how


           18              much money he puts into that building we


           19              can't raise the taxes.


           20                      Now, if you give her $4 million we


           21              will never get it back.  Did you ever figure


           22              out -- did any of you ever say, "Let me go


           23              out and see what this man is actually paying


           24              taxes on that building?"


           25                      I don't think you did.  I don't






            1              think you are interested one way or another.


            2              Who tells you what to do, I know not, but


            3              you should be independent of anybody's


            4              thinking.  You should know these things.


            5              You should say, like I went out and found a


            6              home that was worth $400,000 on the tax


            7              rolls.  Now, how in anybody's right mind


            8              would you figure that whole mall is worth


            9              400,000, but that's what it's on the tax


           10              rolls for.  God knows what the Connell


           11              building is on the tax rolls if the mall is


           12              only worth $400,000, what is the Connell


           13              building on the tax rolls for, 25, 30?  Who


           14              know, but nobody ever looks.  Nobody cares.


           15              You sit there and stare and vote on these


           16              things time after time after time.  I mean,


           17              his word is hanging over our heads.  That


           18              can be cut at any time.  We just lost


           19              $20 million on our, I guess it's retirement


           20              funds and so forth and so on, if the state


           21              makes us somewhere, put in that money, which


           22              we hope they never do, where would the


           23              $20 million come from?  I thank you.


           24                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you,


           25              Mr. Sbaraglia.  Mr. Quinn.






            1                      MR. QUINN:  Ozzie Quinn.  Taxpayers'


            2              Association.  On the agenda tonight, they


            3              the business, where they have to go through


            4              the business privilege tax, the mercantile


            5              tax, that's a tax that usually grows,


            6              garbage fee, general and special tax,


            7              whatever that is, wage tax, transfer of


            8              rural property tax and the emergency


            9              municipal tax.


           10                      Most people have to pay the federal


           11              and state tax, you know, I just don't


           12              understand how people are going to be able


           13              to do it, you know?  There is 30,000


           14              households in the city and 15,000 of them


           15              are below the median income of $32,484.00.


           16              I think it doesn't give them much money to


           17              really play with.  That wage tax, you know,


           18              when you add the school districts 3.4, we


           19              all know that's the third highest in the


           20              state behind Pittsburgh and Philadelphia.


           21              And back in 2001 when Mayor Doherty was


           22              running they had the charter group and drew


           23              up a new charter, and the mayor was against


           24              that, and the charter group lost.  The


           25              charter was defeated, and in the Times the






            1              next day, in the editorial, it said that it


            2              would have lowered the tax from 2.4 to


            3              1.9 percent.  It's since impossible to


            4              conceive the Doherty administration will


            5              ignore the obvious need to reduce the wage


            6              tax as a matter of city survival of


            7              long-term revival.  Mr. Doherty said he


            8              pledges to balance the budget, get this, not


            9              spend more money than the city brings in,


           10              provide through the taxpayers services.


           11                      Well, there was $30 million when he


           12              come in indebtedness, principle only, no


           13              interest without going in, and we are now up


           14              to 108 million dollars, I assume, because of


           15              the 2007 city independent audit.  So if


           16              that's really helping the people and


           17              pledging to bring the city back up into


           18              where we can get going it's just


           19              unbelievable.  There is no doubt about it.


           20              When you look at it, and you got to look at


           21              it, you know, with the figures, we only have


           22              74,566 people left in the city.  How the


           23              heck are we going to pay off this enormous


           24              debt?  I don't know really, you know, and it


           25              scares me with the jobs that we have around






            1              here they are not paying anything, and I


            2              don't know where they are going to go, I


            3              don't know, when people graduate from


            4              colleges we know and they are still going


            5              out of town and even if President Elect


            6              Obama gets this economic development


            7              stimulus package working and everything like


            8              that, I just can't see, it's really getting


            9              on, this debt.  I can see my grandchildren's


           10              grandchildren actually paying this debt, you


           11              no he?  And he said he was going to balance


           12              the budget and he balanced it, but what he


           13              is doing is ine credit card, pay off the


           14              debt with this credit card, and we all know,


           15              again, you can't do that.  So, you know, you


           16              can't do anything about it.  Now you passed


           17              the budget, you passed the budget and there


           18              we are, we are left again in poverty.


           19                      Now, I do want to say one other


           20              thing, okay, and it hasn't been brought up


           21              in a long time, it's the fact that we do


           22              spend a lot of Community Development Block


           23              Grant money and the people down there in


           24              that Nay Aug section and that flood section


           25              they asked for a siren, I don't know, maybe






            1              two years ago or so, and they said around


            2              $8,000 to $10,000 so when the water got so


            3              high that had siren that would go off and


            4              alert them so they could get out, and they


            5              still haven't got that siren.  I just don't


            6              understand it.  Yet, we are talking -- we


            7              spent $180 million and $8,000 and we are


            8              talking a mere $4 million grant, I think


            9              they already got $4 million for the Connell


           10              building in CDBG, it's just not right.  He


           11              is not helping the people.  He is not


           12              helping the people.  He is helping those who


           13              have helped him, and it's about time you


           14              started realizing that, and I hope that the


           15              council stand up and against this man and


           16              try to do something.  We are just doing it


           17              wrong.  He keeps on hiring people.  When you


           18              hire and you don't cut the fat you are not


           19              cutting the budget, and it's just getting


           20              out of proportion.  It's out of perspective.


           21                      And you may say, what I am doing


           22              here, I'll be coming here and coming here as


           23              long as this debt is here and we are not --


           24              he is not trying to do something to evade


           25              it.  Thank you.






            1                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.  Mr. Quinn.


            2              Bill Jackowitz.


            3                      MR. JACKOWITZ: Bill Jackowitz, South


            4              Scranton resident, member of the Taxpayers'


            5              Association.  Firefighters don't chose the


            6              fires, police officers don't choose the


            7              crime.  Warfighters don't choose the wars.


            8              The alarm sounds, they go.


            9                      A few weeks back council mentioned


           10              that Scranton was runner-up to Pittsburgh


           11              for the best place to raise your kids.


           12              Pittsburgh was selected number one in


           13              Pennsylvania, Scranton and Levittown were


           14              runner-ups for Pennsylvania.  I agree,


           15              Scranton is a good place to raise your kids.


           16              The problem Scranton has is keeping the kids


           17              when they become adults and taxpayers.


           18                      Top five medium household income by


           19              Business Weekly for raising kids:  Eagan,


           20              Minnesota, $99,904.  Overland Park, Kansas,


           21              $99,078.  Edison, New Jersey, $96,640.  New


           22              Rochelle, New York, $89,684, the Dick Van


           23              Dyke show.  Gilbert, Arizona, $89,031.  Mt.


           24              Pleasant, Illinois was ranked number ten,


           25              $82,504 for median income.  They were the






            1              winner.  They have 19 parks, each park has


            2              ballfields, children have access to hiking


            3              trails, skating rinks, indoor swimming pools


            4              and recreation centers.  As you notice, they


            5              are all plural.


            6                      Omaha, Nebraska, $65,611.


            7              Murfreesboro, Tennessee, $65,531.


            8              Murfreesboro, Tennessee was runner-up and


            9              they hosted many musical festivals.  Warren,


           10              Utah, $63,271.  Number 29, Rio Rancho, New


           11              Mexico, $63,239.  Number 38, West Haven,


           12              Connecticut, $63,191.


           13                      The bottom five:  Number 46,


           14              Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, $49,102.


           15              Pawtucket, Rhode Island, $48,207; Lackland,


           16              Oklahoma, $47,988; Jacksonville, North


           17              Carolina, $43,489.  Charleston and West


           18              Virginia, $39,829.


           19                      According to the current US Census


           20              report, 2007, Scranton Pennsylvania median


           21              household income $35,171.  The household


           22              income difference between Eagen, Minnesota


           23              and Scranton is $64,733 a year.  This is why


           24              we cannot keep the young people in Scranton.


           25              Until the wage tax is reduced, mercantile






            1              tax reduced and working class wages


            2              increased, unemployment decreased, 7 percent


            3              for November, second highest in the state,


            4              Scranton will continue to suffer.  The only


            5              people who can afford to live in Scranton


            6              are retirees, politically connected people,


            7              and those that are just plain stuck here.


            8              The economy has always been the most


            9              important issue.  No money, no can live.


           10                      Also, according to the 2007 US


           11              Census report, Scranton's population is


           12              72,485.  Percentage of residents living in


           13              poverty has risen to 20.3 percent.  Number


           14              of residents receiving public assistance has


           15              risen to 1.5 percent.  Scranton ranks below


           16              the national median income by 23 percent,


           17              the state median income by 19 and the county


           18              median income by 8 percent.  What is more


           19              disturbing is the per capita income for


           20              Scranton residents, $17,187 annually.


           21                      Attorney Carl Greco's wage, $25,000,


           22              was higher than many Scranton resident's per


           23              capita income.  Stu Renda's $40,000 raise


           24              over the years is unbelievable.


           25                      2008 cost of living index:






            1              Scranton, 86.6 percent.  US average:


            2              100 percent.  Again, Scranton falls behind.


            3              Electricity shut-offs soar, 77 percent


            4              increase.  UGI Penn and natural gas shutoffs


            5              nearly 37 percent in the last three years.


            6              Shutoffs for the region are higher than the


            7              state's average 60 percent.


            8                      Chapter 14, a 2004 law which was


            9              passed, allows utilities to cut the power


           10              and goes for nonpaying customers even in


           11              winter, and allows the utility companies to


           12              charge security deposits for reconnections.


           13              Scranton Council once said they cannot shut


           14              off utilities during the winter months.


           15              Again, council was wrong and not current on


           16              the laws of the state.


           17                      Scranton School Board will raise


           18              taxes another 5.6 percent.  Recent


           19              evaluations the Scranton schools, they


           20              failed in just about every category.  Thank


           21              you.


           22                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr.


           23              Jackowitz.  Mr. Spindler.


           24                      MR. SPINDLER:  Good evening,


           25              Council.  Les Spindler, city resident,






            1              homeowner.  Happy New Year, Council.


            2              Mr. Courtright, I echo your sentiments about


            3              Captain Robeson.  I think about the family


            4              all the time.  They only lived a few blocks


            5              from where I live.  Every time I pass their


            6              house I think about Jimmy, so I think about


            7              him quite often.


            8                      First thing, I have here a copy of


            9              the Home Rule Charter, and Article IV,


           10              Section 401, council meetings:  Council


           11              shall meet once a week in regular session in


           12              regular council chambers.


           13                      Here I have a copy of the city's


           14              administrative code, Section 203:  Regular


           15              meetings of council shall be held at least


           16              once a week at such place and time as fixed


           17              by the resolution of council.


           18                      There is two documents that clearly


           19              state that this council should meet weekly


           20              and I have been coming to this council


           21              meetings for seven years, this council since


           22              Mrs. Gatelli, Mrs. Fanucci and Mr. McGoff


           23              are here have cancelled more meetings than


           24              any other council I have spoken in front of.


           25              I think that if meetings of council are






            1              cancelled, council should be docked for that


            2              meeting.  I don't care if you work 80 hours


            3              that week doing other council work, which I


            4              don't believe you do that much, but if you


            5              don't have a council meeting you shouldn't


            6              get paid for that meeting, and it states


            7              clearly here in two different documents,


            8              that you shall be meeting weekly.  There is


            9              no argument there.  It's a disgrace that the


           10              meetings were canceled most of December.  If


           11              there is no legislation, the people have a


           12              right to come here and speak.


           13                      Moving on, I think it was the last


           14              meeting, Mrs. Evans, you said about NCC, and


           15              they have to be notified six months in


           16              advance?


           17                      MS. EVANS: Yes.


           18                      MR. SPINDLER:  If they are not going


           19              to get a contract?


           20                      MS. EVANS: Yes.


           21                      MR. SPINDLER: And Mayor Doherty


           22              never did that?


           23                      MS. EVANS: I don't know what the


           24              mayor did.  All I know is that the


           25              termination date, according to the contract,






            1              was December 31, 2008, and one of the


            2              provisions of the contract was that whether


            3              the city intended to terminate or renew the


            4              agreement that notice has to be given six


            5              months prior to the termination of an


            6              agreement.  So, evidently, I'm assuming they


            7              must have been renewed.


            8                      MR. SPINDLER: Yeah, and council knew


            9              nothing about it; correct?


           10                      MS. EVANS: I knew nothing about it.


           11                      MR. SPINDLER: I don't know how this


           12              man gets away doing stuff behind everybody's


           13              back and nothing is done.  He circumvents


           14              council all the time, he circumvented


           15              council with the sewer rate hike, he was


           16              supposed to come to council for that, he


           17              circumvents council for the sewer -- the


           18              American Anglican deal, he violated the Home


           19              Rule Charter, he violates his own Recovery


           20              Plan, and he gets away with it.  PEL let's


           21              this man get away with murder.  He hires a


           22              public safety director Jimmy Connors had to


           23              do away with how can this man get away with


           24              it?  And people get mad and people come up


           25              here and say he is corrupt?  Well, I think






            1              he is.


            2                      Yesterday in the Doherty newsletter,


            3              it said, "A deal with Comcast is expected to


            4              be reviewed."


            5                      Well, I hope it's not.  As I said,


            6              their rates keep going up and we get nothing


            7              more for it.  Has council heard from any of


            8              the cable companies?  Mrs. Gatelli?


            9                      MS. GATELLI: No.


           10                      MR. SPINDLER:  That's really sad.


           11              Comcast is -- they are really sticking it to


           12              the taxpayers.  Today's Doherty newsletter


           13              said the city made $47,000 on the Christmas


           14              light display.  What it didn't say is how


           15              much did it cost to light those lights all


           16              night long.  I don't know if you aware,


           17              those lights are lit all not long.  What is


           18              the reason behind that?  I know somebody


           19              that went by there at four in the morning


           20              and they were on at 4:00 in the morning.


           21              That's just a waste of taxpayer money.  I


           22              can imagine all of the -- the mayor always


           23              talks about how many lights were up there, I


           24              would love to know what the cost of keeping


           25              those lights on all night is, but you don't






            1              see that written in the Doherty newsletter.


            2                      Next thing, awhile back, Mrs. Evans,


            3              I asked about stop signs either at the


            4              corner of North Rebecca and Bulworth and


            5              North Rebecca and Hawthorne, has anything


            6              been heard about that?


            7                      MS. EVANS: The request was sent, we


            8              heard nothing back.  We requested a


            9              response, however, very coincidentally, I do


           10              have that included tonight among several


           11              other issues that I want resubmitted to the


           12              department head and I want an answer this


           13              time.  So that is included in that grouping.


           14                      MR. SPINDLER: Thank you.  The snow


           15              storm we had a few Fridays ago, we had seven


           16              inches of snow, and again in the Doherty


           17              newsletter:  In general, cleaning crews get


           18              high marks in wake of storms."


           19                      I'd love to know what rating system


           20              they used because Jeff Brazil gave them a


           21              "B".  A coworker of mine came into work on


           22              Monday and said she had to park three feet


           23              from the curb because she couldn't get any


           24              closer.  My brother-in-law came in for


           25              Christmas Eve from Baltimore, Maryland, five






            1              days, later, he said how terrible the


            2              streets were, five days later.  And I agree


            3              with Jeff Brazil they do deserve a "B" for


            4              bad.  Thank you.


            5                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr. Spindler.


            6              Ms. Schumacher?


            7                      MS. SCHUMACHER: Good evening.  Marie


            8              Schumacher, citizen and member of the


            9              Taxpayers' Association.  The day after the


           10              last council meeting the Times-Tribune


           11              reported work had been halted by Judge


           12              Minora on a Tripp Park subdivision.  Judge


           13              Minora's order directed that the city cannot


           14              issue any more permits of any nature for the


           15              continued development of the Village at


           16              Tripp Park by any person or entity until the


           17              storm water issues are addressed.  The city


           18              was held accountable to enforce


           19              administration of it's subdivision


           20              regulations.  This is but one example of the


           21              importance of having qualified personnel in


           22              the licensing, inspections and permits


           23              department.


           24                      However, as we all have painfully


           25              learned, Scranton is special.  Scranton






            1              doesn't have to play by the rules or for


            2              that matter use common sense.  Mr. Doherty


            3              said he would run the city like a business.


            4              If Mr. Doherty ran a business as he is


            5              running the City of Scranton he would have


            6              been out of business a long time ago as


            7              businesses must depend on customers willing


            8              to pay for goods or services and he would


            9              have had to raise his prices so high his


           10              customers would have found a much less


           11              expensive competitor.  The power to tax and


           12              raise fees is a walk in the park compared to


           13              providing a competitively priced good or


           14              service.


           15                      Today's Times-Tribune article on


           16              Mayor Doherty hiring of former Mayor Jim


           17              Connors' son to fill a newly created


           18              position at a salary of $32,85 plus benefits


           19              without any qualifications is a great


           20              example of why educated professionals raised


           21              in Scranton, but living out of town have


           22              absolutely no desire to return to an area


           23              where who you know trumps what you know.  Do


           24              you have any idea how many qualified


           25              applicants might have applied for this






            1              position had it been advertised?  Worse, and


            2              this is painful to discuss, but I do not


            3              want to see us taxpayers saddled with both


            4              an inexperienced employee and a potentially


            5              expensive liability.


            6                      Magisterial court records show an


            7              individual named Zachary T. Connors, born


            8              February 7, 1985, with an address in


            9              Scranton, zip code 18504 --


           10                      MS. FANUCCI: You need to stop right


           11              there.  We are going to get in trouble.  I


           12              think we should defer to our attorney.  You


           13              think she should be reading this into the


           14              record?


           15                      MS. SCHUMACHER: This is public


           16              information.


           17                      MS. FANUCCI: Still, I don't know


           18              this should be read in the record.  I


           19              believe this might cause some problems.


           20                      MS. HUBBARD: Why, public record?


           21                      MR. JACKOWITZ: Public record.


           22                      MS. SCHUMACHER: This is public


           23              information?


           24                      MS. GATELLI: Should she --


           25                      MR. MINORA: Is this an address only?






            1                      MS. SCHUMACHER: May I continue?


            2              This is public information.


            3                      MR. MINORA: I'm not sure where you


            4              are going.  There are records that are


            5              classified.


            6                      MS. SCHUMACHER: This is public


            7              information.  It's available on the Internet


            8              from the Court system.  They are just docket


            9              sheets.  They are available on the Internet.


           10              Anybody --  what is your ruling,


           11              Mr. Chairman?


           12                      MR. MCGOFF: I will defer to --


           13                      MR. MINORA: I don't know how to


           14              answer it because I don't know where she is


           15              going with it.  I don't know what


           16              information.  I don't really know where it


           17              was gotten from, you're possibly exposing


           18              yourself to a liability, and my concern, of


           19              course, is whether or not she is exposing


           20              this council to liability.  I would suspect


           21              if you have something, a document that's a


           22              public record, why don't you bring the


           23              docket, public record downloaded so we can


           24              all know what it is and I'll be glad to take


           25              a look at it and give you my opinion on it






            1              next week.


            2                      MS. SCHUMACHER: I will certainly do


            3              that, but if this person that I started, and


            4              I assume that people on this council know


            5              what I'm talking about, and maybe that it's


            6              true and that's why they are --


            7                      MS. FANUCCI: Excuse me, that's not


            8              correct.


            9                      MS. GATELLI: I'm not denying whether


           10              what you are going to say is true or it's


           11              not true, but I know under the Sunshine Law


           12              council as a body can't discuss personnel in


           13              public, so --


           14                      MS. FANUCCI: Under any


           15              circumstances.


           16                      MS. GATELLI: So if we can't discuss


           17              it in public how can it be discussed at the


           18              podium about an employee.


           19                      MS. HUBBARD: Because she's not on


           20              council.


           21                      MS. GATELLI: I'm just afraid.


           22                      MS. SCHUMACHER:  Because I'm not on


           23              council.


           24                      MS. GATELLI: I know, but I'm


           25              afraid--






            1                      MS. FANUCCI: You are addressing the


            2              public and you are addressing council so we


            3              are afraid --


            4                      MS. SCHUMACHER: Okay, I won't give


            5              anymore --


            6                      MS. GATELLI: I'm really more


            7              comfortable if the solicitor said it was


            8              okay.


            9                      (Whereupon several people began


           10              talking at once and the proceedings became


           11              unreportable.)


           12                      MS. SCHUMACHER:  May I have the


           13              floor, please?


           14                      MR. MCGOFF: Mrs. Schumacher.


           15                      MS. SCHUMACHER: Yes.


           16                      MR. MCGOFF:  Please, continue.


           17                      MS. SCHUMACHER:  I was about to say


           18              if the charges and the disposition were the


           19              same person who was hired as the assistant


           20              zoning officer, I respectfully request that


           21              this council disapprove this hire.  This


           22              also begs the question of what kind of


           23              background checks the city uses in it's


           24              hiring.  That is the subject of a


           25              Right-to-Know request I made today.






            1                      Now, with the permission of the


            2              Chair, I have a few questions to follow-up


            3              from last year, may I?  Since most of my


            4              time was consumed otherwise.


            5                      MR. MCGOFF: Please.


            6                      MS. SCHUMACHER: I'd like to direct


            7              them to Mrs. Fanucci since they deal with


            8              her role as OECD liaison.  First, have you


            9              found out how much of the quarter million


           10              dollars loan to Alexander's Salon and Spa


           11              has been drawn down and how much equipment


           12              was to be used at collateral has actual been


           13              purchased?


           14                      MS. FANUCCI: Yes, I have.  I


           15              actually -- do you want an answer or not?


           16                      MS. SCHUMACHER: In motions.  Oh,


           17              give it to me now.  Go ahead.


           18                      MS. FANUCCI: This is your time, so.


           19                      MS. SCHUMACHER: Go ahead.


           20                      MS. FANUCCI: All right.  Yes, I did.


           21              I inquired about that.  The loan was given


           22              out the day of the closing, and it was --


           23              when I went back in the records I was a


           24              little concerned about what you were saying


           25              and why you were saying, you know, they






            1              weren't complying.  They did comply.  The


            2              equivalent of a positions have been up to


            3              par.  They actually started off currently --


            4              they currently have 75 employees and they


            5              actually were only asked to create 50


            6              employee positions.  You were saying about


            7              the equipment, yes, the machinery has been


            8              purchased, the machinery is there and they


            9              are still being monitored by -- I want to


           10              make sure I say this right, quarterly.


           11              Every quarter they are still being monitored


           12              and are still are compliance.


           13                      MS. SCHUMACHER: They got the entire


           14              four million dollars?


           15                      MS. FANUCCI: They got everything and


           16              they are still up to par as far as the loan


           17              has been considered, yes.


           18                      MS. SCHUMACHER:  I'll ask the rest


           19              of them next week since my time is expired.


           20                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.  Sam Patilla.


           21                      MR. PATILLA: Good evening, Mrs.


           22              Evans and Mr. Courtright.


           23                      MS. EVANS: Good evening.


           24                      MR. PATILLA: According to President


           25              Elect Obama, the federal government is going






            1              to be facing a trillion dollars deficit, and


            2              according to another report only six states


            3              in this great country of ours will have a


            4              surplus for their annual budgets.  You know,


            5              those numbers aren't great and that leads me


            6              to the brunt of my discussion because I'm


            7              going to direct this to you, Mr. Courtright,


            8              I happen to like talking to you, okay?


            9                      We have numerous residents come to


           10              the podium and speak.  We all know what the


           11              problem is, we need solutions.  Me


           12              personally, I don't think your job on city


           13              council is done because you really haven't


           14              had the opportunity to do the things that


           15              motivated you to run for that position


           16              initially.  As a representative of the


           17              police department rank and file, and of our


           18              rank file firefighters, you know, you should


           19              be appalled of any new hires that this


           20              administration makes, of any new job


           21              creations that this administration creates


           22              because those honest men and woman have gone


           23              eight years, eight long years without a


           24              raise, without a cost of living increase,


           25              and since I have been here two, going on






            1              three years, okay, I can't count on my hands


            2              the number of jobs that have been created,


            3              the amount of money that have suddenly


            4              appeared out of nowhere to fund these new


            5              hires and these raises.  And yet Scranton


            6              still remains after 17 years a distressed


            7              city.


            8                      Like I said, we already know what


            9              the problem is.  We need solutions.  Some of


           10              those solutions will come in the upcoming


           11              elections.  New blood always changing


           12              things, okay?  God has granted me 50 years,


           13              half a century on this planet, and I have


           14              seen a lot of things during those times, but


           15              as a child my favorite poet was always


           16              Langston Hughes, my poem was always "A Dream


           17              Deferred, "but tonight I want to read off


           18              another poem of his to you, Mr. Courtright,


           19              and I really, really suggest that you give


           20              this a lot of thought because deep down in


           21              my heart I know you are a good man, but it's


           22              kind of hard to do what you have to do with


           23              your hands tied behind your back.


           24                      Democracy. "Democracy will not come


           25              Today, this year nor ever through compromise






            1              and fear.  I have as much right as the other


            2              fellow has to stand on my two feet and own


            3              the land.  I tire so of hearing people say;


            4              let things take their course tomorrow is


            5              another day.  I do not need my freedom when


            6              I'm dead.  I cannot live on tomorrow's


            7              bread.  Freedom is a strong seed planted in


            8              a great need.  I live here, too.  I just


            9              want freedom.  Just as you."


           10                      And I need you to ponder those


           11              words.  You know, you can to the library or


           12              download it on the Internet, you know,


           13              Langston Hughes, the name of the Poem is


           14              "Democracy."  The city residents need you.


           15              They need you to stand up and say, "Hey, I'm


           16              on your side.  I'm here for you.  I ran for


           17              this position to represent you," all right?


           18                      We don't need any more grants.  We


           19              don't any more increases in the taxes.  We


           20              don't need any more increases in our service


           21              fees, all right?  I personally know Comcast


           22              isn't going anywhere especially after they


           23              wired the building and ECTV's building, they


           24              are not going anywhere.  You know, this


           25              country is built on competition, okay?  It






            1              was built on the backs of men and women who


            2              weren't born with silver spoons in their


            3              mouths, who didn't control mass media,


            4              Scranton, even though this is the year 2009,


            5              is a picture mirror image of 1809.  The


            6              citizens need more from their elected


            7              officials.  There is job creations, crony


            8              raises and garages that we will never see


            9              I'll never go to Alexander Spa and Salon, I


           10              don't need Botox.  Thank you for your time.


           11                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr. Patilla.


           12                      MR. DOBSON: Good evening, Council


           13              Dave Dobson, resident of Scranton.  Once


           14              again, I probably sound like a broken


           15              record, but for the next year I'd love to


           16              see the gift that keeps on giving, look into


           17              industrial parks and development that's


           18              going to attract potential employers, and


           19              finish off projects and closeouts and


           20              reevaluate the need for investment.  A lot


           21              of these projects might be more expensive to


           22              close down than they are to finish, who


           23              knows, it might take a little research, but


           24              I would suspect that they started violating


           25              contracts and so forth the next thing you






            1              know you sit in Court and wind up paying out


            2              the money anyway, so that's what we need to


            3              do is to reevaluate.


            4                      On the police and fire contracts,


            5              please settle them.  They have gone on long


            6              enough.  I know certain members of the


            7              council were chided for talking to the


            8              firemen by people from this audience and I


            9              thought that was kind of a bad idea.  Let


           10              them talk all they want.  They just can't


           11              sign the contract, that's the impression I


           12              get.


           13                      And on NCC, now if my math is


           14              correct anybody can answer this question,


           15              6-30 of 2011 is the day that we can all look


           16              forward to?  That would be two and a half


           17              years from December 31 --


           18                      MS. EVANS: Yes.


           19                      MR. DOBSON: -- of 2008.  You surely


           20              need somebody to collect taxes, but at the


           21              rate that they collect taxes, it's just too


           22              much.  They have too many fees and fines and


           23              penalties and what have you, and they don't


           24              really pay attention to their business, they


           25              don't try to contact anybody.  One thing I






            1              might add when I dealt with them, I was down


            2              there to pay taxes on another property I


            3              purchased in Scranton, he is sitting right


            4              there at the computer, and he did not notify


            5              me that I was delinquent on a garbage fee


            6              for the first year that I bought my house.


            7              And that is sloppy.  That is very sloppy


            8              and, you know, there is no hard feelings


            9              anymore about it, but I could see it


           10              happening to other people and I just paid it


           11              and got it the heck out of my face and, you


           12              know, they shouldn't do stuff like that.


           13              They shouldn't be that sloppy with all the


           14              money they collect and the computers they


           15              have they should be better off.


           16                      And on Comcast, I misunderstood


           17              something on the budget, how much do they


           18              pay actually every year, does anybody know?


           19                      MS. EVANS: It's approximately 870


           20              some thousand dollars and a cable franchise


           21              fee of 5 percent of their gross profits,


           22              which is the maximum that can be given to


           23              the franchise -- what we call us, the


           24              franchisee or the franchisor.


           25                      MR. DOBSON: Franchisor, I guess,






            1              but, in other words, that's annually?


            2                      MS. GATELLI: Yes.


            3                      MS. EVANS: And it's paid in


            4              quarterly payments.


            5                      MR. DOBSON: Because that's a sizable


            6              sum.  Well, it seems that the money gets


            7              budgeted into other things than what it


            8              should as we will read in the paper.  I


            9              don't want to go too far there because other


           10              people have their -- are more involved with


           11              it, but that was somewhat disturbing to see


           12              that 780,000 was just thrown into general


           13              fund with the considerations and


           14              developments last year with the public


           15              television, but I'll leave that up to other


           16              people to speak on.  Thank you and have a


           17              good night.


           18                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr. Dobson.


           19              Jim Stucker.  Anyone else?  We can get Jim


           20              when he comes back.


           21                      MR. HUBBARD:  Good evening, Council,


           22              Daniel Hubbard, lower Greenridge.  A couple


           23              of things first, I know I mentioned it in


           24              the past, we would like to know what we need


           25              to do to get a four-way stop sign at the






            1              intersection of Albright and Marian, I


            2              brought that up in the past.


            3                      Also, I'd still like to know what we


            4              need to do to try and have the 100 and


            5              200 blocks of Marian changed into a one-way


            6              so that the blind turn on Marian as part of


            7              the flood project doesn't cost the


            8              neighborhood anything more than already one


            9              family pet.  I've had quite a number of


           10              close calls, especially in inclement weather


           11              people were just flying around that turn and


           12              people are parking their cars everywhere but


           13              in front of their houses because they were


           14              afraid they going to go hit.  One way going


           15              to Albright to Ross help Colt's bus and


           16              protect the children in the neighborhood as


           17              well.


           18                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Dan, could you put


           19              down in writing exactly what you want and I


           20              will forward it because they have do a study


           21              all the time, and I'll forward.


           22                      MR. HUBBARD: Yeah, well, they did


           23              enough studies to put the turn there, so


           24              they should have everything they need to fix


           25              it.  Okay, question real quick, can council






            1              please explain the hiring process for


            2              Mr. Connors to the unemployed and recently


            3              laid off voters in this city that work in


            4              the building and construction industries


            5              because there is a tremendous amount of


            6              people, we are the highest jobless rate in


            7              the state, in this region, second highest


            8              unemployment in the state for the city and


            9              you are not going to tell me that there is


           10              not somebody out there in the construction


           11              building field with a family right now that


           12              is out of work that desperately could have


           13              used that job?  Instead, you literally took


           14              a paycheck away from a voter, a qualified


           15              voter for this position, and gave it to an


           16              unqualified child of a political ally as a


           17              favor.  During the toughest -- during the


           18              toughest economic times this nation has seen


           19              in my lifetime we are handing out free jobs


           20              to unqualified people when Scranton seems to


           21              be the only place in America that's not


           22              cutting back, tightening up it's belt and


           23              cutting it's budgets and laying people off.


           24                      The county, Wilkes-Barre, Luzerne


           25              County, everybody is making cuts, but this






            1              city.  Instead, we are handing jobs out to


            2              unqualified children, a 23 year old.  Now,


            3              if Mr. Wallace is so overwhelmed with his


            4              position, and don't get me started on his


            5              qualifications, if he is so overwhelmed with


            6              his position as zoning officer, what kind of


            7              position is Mike Wallace going to be in now


            8              that he has to babysit an assistant zoning


            9              officer that has no qualifications, so now


           10              Mike Wallace instead of having somebody that


           11              can actually help him has to take his time


           12              where he should be helping the taxpayers in


           13              order to train somebody instead of actually


           14              putting this job out there to be applied


           15              for.  I mean, you need the explain to the


           16              voters why you felt they didn't deserve an


           17              opportunity to apply for this job.


           18                      I mean, you know, this city really,


           19              people are literally living paycheck to


           20              paycheck and barely getting by in these


           21              economic times.  You are not going to tell


           22              me that not one person on this panel in


           23              front of me has not taken a hit in their


           24              pension, their retirement plan, their IRA's,


           25              please, you can't deny it.  Mine took a hit.






            1              I'm down 50 percent.  How about you guys?


            2              You feeling it?  Are you really feeling it?


            3              Because other people are feeling it yet you


            4              are giving it to a kid who is already


            5              employed as a bartender, you are giving him


            6              a job.


            7                      MS. FANUCCI: Daniel, the only


            8              problem I have is that we aren't in charge


            9              of hiring.


           10                      MR. HUBBARD: Well, why can't you --


           11                      MS. FANUCCI: You are acting like we


           12              did this, with city council.  This has got


           13              nothing to do with us.  We can't fire, we


           14              can't hire it.


           15                      MR. HUBBARD: You can comment after


           16              I'm done speaking.


           17                      MS. FANUCCI: Don't blame us then --


           18                      MR. HUBBARD:  I'm not blaming you.


           19                      MS. FANUCCI:  You did three times.


           20                      MR. HUBBARD: What I'm blaming you


           21              for is your apathy.  Your inability or you


           22              unwillingness to try to trim the fat in this


           23              building.  Instead now, we just added to it.


           24              Have you even held the mayor to task on


           25              anything?  Anything since any one of you






            1              been elected?


            2                      MS. FANUCCI: Absolutely.


            3                      MR. HUBBARD: As the council majority


            4              that sits here, have any of you held the


            5              mayor to task on the fiscal and fiduciary


            6              irresponsibility that is he running rampant


            7              through this building that we stand in right


            8              now?  No, you haven't, because in way one or


            9              another somehow in some way you have been


           10              all benefited from him being in office.  So,


           11              why you --


           12                      MS. FANUCCI: I would love that list,


           13              Dan.  Why don't you get me that list for


           14              every one of us because I would love that


           15              list.


           16                      MR. HUBBARD: How did you get your


           17              job?


           18                      MS. FANUCCI: How did I get my job?


           19                      MR. HUBBARD: How did Judy's kids get


           20              their jobs?


           21                      MS. FANUCCI: I certainly didn't get


           22              my job through the mayor.


           23                      MS. GATELLI: Excuse me.


           24                      MS. FANUCCI: Uh-huh.  Bring that


           25              list.






            1                      MR. HUBBARD: You are going to have


            2              answer to the voters.


            3                      (Whereupon several people began


            4              talking at once the proceedings became


            5              unreportable.)


            6                      MS. GATELLI: How dare you.


            7                      MR. HUBBARD: You don't care?  How


            8              dare I?


            9                      MS. GATELLI: How dare you.


           10                      MR. HUBBARD: How dare you continuing


           11              to take from the people of this city --


           12                      MS. GATELLI:  How dare you.


           13                      MR. HUBBARD: -- without answering to


           14              them.


           15                      MS. GATELLI: Oh, please.


           16                      MR. HUBBARD: You dare you.  Well,


           17              you know, you will have to answer to the


           18              voters this year.  You will.


           19                      (Whereupon more comments were made


           20              that were unreportable.)


           21                      MR. MILLER:  Good evening.  Douglas


           22              Miller, Scranton, Scranton.  I'd like to


           23              begin by thanking Mrs. Gatelli and


           24              Mr. Courtright and all of the other


           25              volunteers that gave their time to help make






            1              the Bob Bolus Senior Christmas Day dinner a


            2              huge success.  It fed over 3,000 people, and


            3              it was just wonderful to see all of the


            4              people there that, you know, had a place to


            5              go on Christmas and it was just a great


            6              environment, the Christmas spirt, and


            7              another year - and another year of success


            8              and looking forward to next year's 15th


            9              annual Christmas Day dinner, so thank you,


           10              again, to all of those that made the dinner


           11              a huge success.


           12                      Moving along here, I know this is


           13              the first meeting I believe in three weeks,


           14              and as a resident certainly didn't agree


           15              with the cancellation of last three meetings


           16              in of the year, I believe it was due to the


           17              fact that there was no agenda, but the


           18              people here, myself and anyone else that


           19              wants to come here to speak, we have agendas


           20              and we certainly have the right to address


           21              council.  I believe council violated the


           22              Sunshine Act and I believe it's your


           23              responsibility regardless of agenda or not


           24              to be here to listen to the issues.


           25                      Finally, I believe this council need






            1              to look into creating an impact fee on KOZ's


            2              and nonprofits any other developer that


            3              wants to come into this city.  I believe the


            4              city is losing out on thousands of dollars


            5              and it's time this council become more


            6              creative.  People need to start paying their


            7              fair share here, and while we are on that


            8              topic I believe it was last week or the week


            9              before, all over the news I saw University


           10              of Scranton cutting trees to help curb crime


           11              and they are going to put streetlighting up,


           12              well, correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe


           13              they are a nonprofit, they give nothing to


           14              the city, so in a way it doesn't benefit the


           15              city, it's only benefiting their campus.


           16              They are not giving anything back to the


           17              city, so I think we need to look at that in


           18              the future.  Thank you.


           19                      MR. MCGOFF: Mr. Stucker, we skipped


           20              over you while you are out if you would like


           21              to come to the podium.


           22                      MS. HUBBARD:  You want to go, Jimmy?


           23                      MR. STUCKER: Go ahead.


           24                      MS. HUBBARD: Good evening, Council.


           25              A belated Merry Christmas and Happy New






            1              Year.  I believe I asked a couple of


            2              questions about this quite awhile ago about


            3              the Scranton having a parking fee for


            4              garage, private garages don't very to pay so


            5              much a year per space?  The Forum Garage, I


            6              understand somewhere there was a lawsuit,


            7              did that ever get settled?


            8                      MS. EVANS: A letter was sent on


            9              behalf of council concerning that issue.


           10              That's yet another topic that never received


           11              a response, so that is part of the package


           12              I'm sending, once again, with council's


           13              agreement to insist on answers by a specific


           14              deadline.


           15                      MS. HUBBARD: Now, how about the


           16              hospital garages?  I know the hospitals --


           17                      MS. GATELLI:  They do pay.


           18                      MS. FANUCCI: They pay a lump total.


           19                      MR. HUBBARD: Are they paid


           20              up-to-date.


           21                      MS. GATELLI: The last time I looked


           22              they were.  I believe that the Mercy, and


           23              don't quote me because I'm just saying this


           24              off the top of my head, but one of the


           25              hospitals pays taxes on the garage, so that






            1              garage is not -- I don't think they pay on


            2              that garage.  I think it's the Mercy, but


            3              I'm not sure.  I'll try to find out for you.


            4                      MS. HUBBARD: wait a minute, they pay


            5              taxes on the garage?


            6                      MS. GATELLI: There is one hospital


            7              --


            8                      MS. HUBBARD:  So they don't have to


            9              pay --


           10                      MS. GATELLI: Well, they used to.


           11              They use part of the tax on one of their


           12              garages when I worked there.  I don't know


           13              if they still do.


           14                      MS. HUBBARD:  Yeah, but I'm assuming


           15              the Forum Garage pays taxes on it's garage


           16              plus it's also supposed to pay the fee.


           17                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Yeah, but the


           18              hospital is nonprofit, so it's a little bit


           19              different.


           20                      MS. HUBBARD: Yeah, but they make a


           21              profit on the garage.  I mean, they are not


           22              giving me free parking when I'm going there.


           23                      MS. GATELLI: The taxes are more than


           24              the fee would be.


           25                      MS. HUBBARD:  But, no, what I'm






            1              saying is there should be taxes plus the


            2              fee.


            3                      MS. GATELLI: You might be right.


            4                      MS. FANUCCI:  Well, if the Forum is


            5              a private garage, and I'm sure they pay


            6              taxes on their garages, they also have to


            7              pay whatever it is the ten dollar fee.


            8                      MS. GATELLI: I think it's $15 a


            9              space per year.


           10                      MS. HUBBARD: So if they do that, I


           11              mean, I know they are behind in their


           12              payments, but if you ever get the money out


           13              of them, and the hospital pays taxes on the


           14              garage why should is not have to pay the


           15              fee, too?


           16                      MS. GATELLI:  I don't remember the


           17              reason.  I'll find out.


           18                      MS. HUBBARD:  Okay, how about the


           19              University of Scranton?


           20                      MS. GATELLI: I'm not sure.


           21                      MS. HUBBARD: They charge for


           22              parking.


           23                      MS. GATELLI: Yeah, I know they do.


           24                      MS. HUBBARD: So do they pay the fee?


           25                      MS. GATELLI: We had a list recently,






            1              didn't we?


            2                      MS. EVANS: I think that's something


            3              we wanted.


            4                      MS. HUBBARD: Judy, you are finance


            5              chair, will you look into that.


            6                      MS. FANUCCI: We are looking into it


            7              that.


            8                      MS. GATELLI: I thought we just had a


            9              copy and I'm trying to think of where --


           10                      MS. HUBBARD: I mean, I don't care


           11              how many trees they cut down or don't cut


           12              down and beautify the sidewalks, but if they


           13              are charging students to park then they


           14              should have to pay the parking fee.  If they


           15              were providing free parking for their


           16              students I'd say, okay, they're a nonprofit,


           17              but they are charging the students because I


           18              know --


           19                      MS. GATELLI: I'll get the list for


           20              you.


           21                      MS. HUBBARD: I'd appreciate it.


           22                      MS. GATELLI:  And we'll check into


           23              it.


           24                      MS. HUBBARD: I think that was all.


           25              I don't have to worry about my dog getting






            1              skunked anymore because she passed away two


            2              days after New Year's, so every time I look


            3              outside I think I don't have to worry about


            4              the dog getting skunked until I get another


            5              dog, so if you know anybody that has a


            6              german shorthaired pointer that they need a


            7              home for that, I would be very happy to look


            8              into taking it.  That goes for anybody


            9              watching this.


           10                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mrs.


           11              Hubbard.


           12                      MR. STUCKER:  Happy New Year,


           13              everybody.


           14                      THE COURT:  Same to you, Jim.


           15                      MR. STUCKER: Yeah.  Okay, up where I


           16              live, the high-rise on Adam's Avenue, okay,


           17              I talked to a Pete today, he had a place


           18              there, and he told me you are in charge.


           19                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  I'm in charge?


           20                      MR. STUCKER:  Yeah, you are in


           21              charge of --


           22                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Of what, Jim.  I'm


           23              in charge of what?


           24                      MR. STUCKER: Police.


           25                      MR COURTRIGHT: Police.






            1                      MR. STUCKER: Or cover something --


            2              to cover something.


            3                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Well, not really.


            4              What do you need, Jim?


            5                      MR. STUCKER: Well, we have a guy


            6              that lives in my building.


            7                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Right.


            8                      MR. STUCKER: He has been playing his


            9              radio 2 or 3 o'clock in the morning, 11, 12


           10              at night and I sleep by day.


           11                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Don't you live in


           12              one of those high raises, Jim?


           13                      MR. STUCKER: Yeah.


           14                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Why don't you tell


           15              the manager of the high-rise?


           16                      MR. STUCKER:  I did.  She won't do


           17              anything.  She told me to call the cops.


           18              The supervisor told me to call the cops, and


           19              the custodian told me to too call the cops.


           20                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Who?


           21                      MR. STUCKER:  The custodian also


           22              told me.


           23                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Give your address to


           24              Neil and I'll look into it for you, hows


           25              that, okay?  Don't say it on the air.






            1                      MR. STUCKER:  Adams Avenue, Adams


            2              high-rise.


            3                      THE COURT:  Don't say it on the air,


            4              Jim.


            5                      MR. STUCKER: I don't have the


            6              address, I left it at home -- I lie at 119


            7              apartment.


            8                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Jim, you know what,


            9              can you hang out here until after the


           10              meeting and I'll talk to you, all right.


           11              How's that, okay?


           12                      MR. STUCKER:  All right.  We need


           13              some lights -- we had the lights fixed,


           14              right on Mulberry that turns onto Main, I


           15              was there yesterday and I seen a lot of car


           16              go through red lights up there by the


           17              school, that school or --


           18                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Bishop Hannon.


           19                      MR. STUCKER:  Yeah, the light turned


           20              red and they go right straight through it.


           21              Today there two red lights and all of that


           22              today.


           23                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Okay, we'll take


           24              care of it, Jim.


           25                      MR. STUCKER:  The garbage has been






            1              picked up, I'm happy.  Oh, I was over at a


            2              bar next to the fire station, I don't know


            3              his name, his name is Herbie, Herbie's Bar?


            4                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I don't know, Jim.


            5                      MR. STUCKER:  Next to the fire


            6              station they know you.


            7                      MR. COURTRIGHT: They know me?


            8                      MR. STUCKER: Yeah.  They told me to


            9              bring up -- yeah, he has got workers and


           10              good people there.


           11                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Okay.


           12                      MR. STUCKER:  They told me you have


           13              been good to everybody there, so you have


           14              good to us, too.  Herbie.


           15                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Herbie.


           16                      MR. STUCKER:  He owns the bar.


           17                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Okay.  All right.


           18                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Jim.


           19                      MR. UNGVARSKY:  Good evening, City


           20              Council, I'm Tom Ungvarsky.  Apparently, the


           21              mayor may get his way.  For years we had


           22              Scranton Today televising these meetings and


           23              doing a good job at no cost to the city.


           24              Apparently, the mayor wasn't satisfied with


           25              that, and he hired his own cable system.






            1              His own -- yes, cable system to televise


            2              these.  It is now costing us this year


            3              $100,000 and the quality of the broadcasting


            4              isn't near as good as when Scranton Today


            5              had it.  I don't know how much they are


            6              going to get this year, according to the


            7              mayor they won't be able to get it until


            8              2010.  This may be playing right into the


            9              mayor's hands where they may have to hold


           10              and we will not see city council on Channel


           11              61.  Thank you.


           12                      MR. ANCHERANI: Good evening, Nelson


           13              Ancherani.  Just a few points today, I was


           14              informed today that on WILK, W-I-L-K, the


           15              Sue Hendrick's Show and on the Steve Corbett


           16              Show, that there was mention about a newly


           17              created position of assistant zoning


           18              officer.  This position is in addition to


           19              three other newly created positions, and


           20              this totals now approximately 63 newly


           21              created positions in the budget since 2002.


           22              Can anyone tell me when a newly created


           23              assistant zoning officer was introduced into


           24              the budget?


           25                      MS. GATELLI: In 2009.  From the 2009






            1              budget.


            2                      MR. ANCHERANI: But I believe it was


            3              in the third reading of the budget, that's


            4              what I meant.


            5                      MS. EVANS: That's correct.


            6                      MR. ANCHERANI: And why was it thrown


            7              into the last reading of that budget, and


            8              who added or introduced it into the budget?


            9              How about the dance called the Ignore


           10              Shuffle at the last meeting?  When the tax


           11              anticipation notes were motioned into


           12              Seventh Order by Ms. Gatelli, I believe it


           13              was Ms. Gatelli, Ms. Evans asked if the


           14              motion to move the TANS to Seventh Order


           15              meant there would be no further meetings in


           16              December or until this year since there was


           17              no agenda business if the TANS were moved to


           18              Seventh Order and voted on.  There was no


           19              answer by Ms. Gatelli, but will sure was an


           20              ignore shuffle to get away from the subject.


           21                      Can anybody answer why the Scranton


           22              Parking Authority has to borrow $568,000


           23              when they just got a $35 million loan, that


           24              was last year.  Why do they need $568,000


           25              more?  This is since 2002 they have received






            1              approximately $4 million for Scranton


            2              Parking Authority citation issuers, and it


            3              translates into $1,700,000 cumulative


            4              raises, and don't forget that the


            5              $35 million loan is going to translate into


            6              a $94 million pay back.  59 million interest


            7              payment.  That's a lot of money.


            8                      Finally, I read online from the


            9              slime's website that I was getting moved


           10              from the juvenile unit over city fire


           11              headquarters to the new police building,


           12              read about it in the paper, didn't know


           13              anything else about it.  I have said over


           14              the last few years that the new police


           15              building was built too small and that was


           16              the original reason why the juvenile unit


           17              plus the training unit weren't moved into


           18              that new building.  It seems like a miracle


           19              occurred and room was found, so I believe we


           20              will be moving into the office where the


           21              traffic and highway division was until they


           22              were disbanded.  We finally came home to


           23              roost.  We have been at least six difference


           24              places since we were at the detention on


           25              Monroe Avenue, the house of detention, but






            1              anyway, I guess that building grew space


            2              it's sort of reminds me like of jack and the


            3              building stock.  Thank you.


            4                      MR. MCGOFF: Anyone else?


            5                      MR. SLEDENZSKI: Hey, Judy, how about


            6              with Mike today?  Jude?  That's a shocker,


            7              isn't it?


            8                      MS. GATELLI: I know.


            9                      MR. SLEDENZSKI:  I'm going to miss


           10              him, Jude.


           11                      MS. GATELLI:I'm really sad about it.


           12                      MR. SLEDENZSKI: I know.  Thank you.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF: Mrs. Evans?


           14                      MS. EVANS: Thank you.  Good evening.


           15              I'm pleased to be back and to be in the 2009


           16              session of city council.  I hope everyone


           17              enjoyed a wonderful holiday and I wish you a


           18              happy, healthy and prosperous new year.


           19              Also, a very Merry Christmas to all those


           20              celebrating tomorrow.


           21                      With our joy, however, comes sadness


           22              for those we have lost.  Please remember in


           23              your prayers all of those who have died,


           24              especially Simone Yeaman, a man who loved


           25              live and found joy and love of family in






            1              every moment; Edward McGuire, a man devoted


            2              to his family and his faith who constant wit


            3              kept volunteers at St. Ann's Novena smiling


            4              every July; captain Jim Robeson who died one


            5              year ago today while battling a house fire;


            6              Richard and Marie Feinstermacher who died


            7              that fire, and their dear family and friends


            8              who suffer their loss.


            9                      Mr. Ancherani posed some questions


           10              about the hiring that -- the most recent


           11              hiring that occurred.  Mrs. Fanucci


           12              indicated earlier that council had nothing


           13              to do with that hiring, and that is


           14              absolutely true.  We do not hire, we do not


           15              fire.  I believe you asked when this job


           16              creation would have been introduced, and you


           17              were correct, yes, it was at the I believe


           18              December 2, 2008, council meeting which


           19              included the final reading and vote of the


           20              2009 operating budget.  It was proposed as


           21              an amendment by Mrs. Gatelli, I believe.


           22              She wanted an assistant zoning officer, I


           23              believe two housing inspectors and a


           24              part-time animal control officer.  I voted


           25              against that because my amendment -- one of






            1              my amendments amendment proposed the hiring


            2              of one housing inspector and one health


            3              inspector and one full-time animal control


            4              officer.


            5                      I realized at the time that the


            6              position of assistant zoning officer is a


            7              nonunion position, hence, it is at -- the


            8              hiring is made at the discretion of the


            9              mayor, hence, it is a political appointment,


           10              and I think that's probably why I felt it


           11              could come back to bite council at a later


           12              point in time, but I honestly do believe the


           13              need for housing inspectors and a health


           14              inspector and animal control officers are


           15              well-proven in licensing, inspections and


           16              permits.


           17                      And now I am going to continue with


           18              my prepared remarks.  I'd like to discuss


           19              several financial issues tonight.  First,


           20              the independent audit of Scranton City


           21              Council was not received by year end, but


           22              should be received in January following an


           23              exit conference to review the audit report.


           24              However, on December 18 council's office


           25              received a copy of a letter from the






            1              Pennsylvania Department of Community and


            2              Economic Development, DCED, to Mayor Doherty


            3              regarding the failure of the City to file


            4              the 2007 annual audit and financial report


            5              with DCED.  This legislatively mandated


            6              filing was due on March 1, 2008.  More


            7              importantly, and I quote from the letter,


            8              "Effective January 1, 2009, local


            9              governments that that have not filed their


           10              2007 annual financial reports will have all


           11              contract and/or payment activities for DCED


           12              funding assistance suspended until their


           13              report has been filed and accepted.  Your


           14              municipality will remain ineligible for


           15              financial assistance until the report


           16              identified has been filed and accepted."


           17                      The bottom line is that DCED funding


           18              is now suspended until the 2007 independent


           19              audit is a received and accepted by the


           20              state.  This audit languished well beyond


           21              the deadlines mandated by the Home Rule


           22              Charter in May 2008, Pennsylvania DCED in


           23              March, and the nine-month window provided by


           24              the state until funding suspension occurs.


           25                      In addition, the audit was missing






            1              from the 2008 borrowing of $11.5 million and


            2              the 2009 budget.  The fault does not lie


            3              with city council since council does not


            4              control any of the departments or


            5              authorities of the city.


            6                      Further, I do not believe the fault


            7              lies with the auditing firm since I have


            8              numerous correspondences from Rossi &


            9              Company providing updates and requesting


           10              information from various city entities,


           11              rather, the responsibilities seems to rest


           12              with department heads and authorities who


           13              for some reason fail to provide necessary


           14              information in a timely manner.  To whom are


           15              they responsible?  It appears to be any


           16              mayor who hires and/or appoints them to


           17              their positions on boards of authorities.


           18                      I am shocked that the mayor would


           19              jeopardize state funding of his economic


           20              development projects, but I hope this will


           21              serve as a wake-up call to produce future


           22              audits on time.


           23                      Second, the final year-to-date


           24              comparison for the City of Scranton was


           25              received from the Single Tax Office on






            1              January 3.  The real estate tax has


            2              decreased by 4.7 percent.  The wage tax


            3              increased by 14.8 percent or over


            4              $2.8 million.  The EMS or newly named LST,


            5              that is, local services tax, has decreased


            6              by 37.8 percent or over $816,000, and the


            7              business privilege mercantile tax as


            8              increased by 4.1 percent.  These are very


            9              good numbers considering that Scranton's


           10              unemployment rate has climbed 2 percent


           11              since November 2007 to the second highest in


           12              the State of Pennsylvania.


           13                      Third, despite borrowing $35 million


           14              in 2007, the Scranton Parking Authority


           15              borrowed yet again to close a budget hole


           16              for 2009.  The authority is using a


           17              $1 million line of credit with Penn Star


           18              Bank to cover their borrowing.


           19                      568,000 was used to plug the 2009


           20              budget, which is a 19 percent increase over


           21              2008.  Approximately 60 percent of their


           22              annual budget is devoted to debt service.


           23              Although the Scranton Parking Authority is


           24              building a new garage on North Washington


           25              Avenue, one block from it's newest two






            1              garages, and next to the soon to be


            2              renovated Connell Building, it likely can't


            3              anticipate a positive return on this


            4              particular venture until about two years


            5              after it's completion.


            6                      I hope the most recent borrowing


            7              will be sufficient to balance their 2010


            8              budget as well since they appear to


            9              experience serious financial difficulty.  I


           10              am pleased that parking garages are


           11              receiving long overdue repairs and


           12              renovations.  That, my friends, is money


           13              well spent that is necessary, but I did not


           14              believe that the Parking Authority had the


           15              ability to sustain a $35 million borrowing


           16              in 2007 to construct a new garage for the


           17              Connell building, the developers of which


           18              are on tonight's agenda, applying for a $4


           19              million state grant.  I was the only council


           20              member to vote against the $35 million loan


           21              because it was clear to me that the parking


           22              authority was in over it's head financially.


           23              It could ill afford to build a third garage


           24              so soon after the completion of the Casey


           25              and Medallion Garages.  I believed the






            1              $35 million in borrowing would strain


            2              parking authority annual budgets and drive


            3              up parking rates.


            4                      Further, the ratepayers and the


            5              taxpayers would bear the burden of the


            6              borrowing if the Parking Authority couldn't


            7              meet it's debt payments.  The payment on the


            8              $35 million is $1.5 million alone in 2009


            9              and that doesn't include the payments for


           10              their other bond issues of 2004 and 2006.


           11              The taxing power of the city was pledged on


           12              the $35 million and yet the parking


           13              authority continues to borrow.  It seems to


           14              be following the dangerous financial pattern


           15              established by the city over the last eight


           16              years and now we witness the third rate hike


           17              in monthly parking in the last 18 months.


           18              We pay $90 to $100 for a parking spot in


           19              Scranton while in Pennsylvania cities of


           20              similar size $50 to $65 is charged for a


           21              parking spot.  Even the bargain parking at


           22              the Forum and Adams Plaza exceeds other


           23              cities.  This is a direct result of the


           24              financial straights the parking authority


           25              finds itself in despite the fact that the






            1              City of Scranton contributes nearly $900,000


            2              to the Scranton parking authority citation


            3              issuers in 2009 alone.  See page 29 of the


            4              operating budget if you doubt me.


            5                      I received several letters over the


            6              holidays from parking ratepayers who are


            7              very upset by the rate increase because they


            8              can ill afford to pay these ever increasing


            9              rates and I wish I could help.  I have done


           10              my best to prevent the mounting debt of the


           11              Parking Authority.  Since the city gives the


           12              Parking Authority nearly a million dollars a


           13              year I don't know that the city can and


           14              should continue to make massive financial


           15              contributions.  In fact, I don't know why


           16              the city far exceeds it's agreement with the


           17              Scranton Parking Authority unless, of


           18              course, another agreement occurred which I


           19              many not aware of.  However, I do believe


           20              that rate adjustments should be made for


           21              persons with disabilities and senior


           22              citizens.


           23                      Therefore, with the agreement of my


           24              colleagues I ask that a letter from council


           25              be sent to Mr. Scopelliti, director of the






            1              Parking Authority, with copies to the


            2              members of the Scranton Parking Authority


            3              Board requesting that monthly parking rates


            4              fore senior citizens and persons with


            5              disabilities be decreased to a level that


            6              mirrors the Bethlehem and Allentown parking


            7              rates.  Is that agreeable?


            8                      MS. GATELLI: Fine.


            9                      MS. FANUCCI: Yeah.


           10                      MS. EVANS: Thank you.  Fourth, with


           11              my colleagues agreement I would like a


           12              letter sent to C. Elizabeth Turner, senior


           13              director of Comcast, inviting her to a


           14              caucus of city council at her earliest


           15              convenience to discuss the cable franchise


           16              renewal agreement proposed by Comcast.  On


           17              November 7, Comcast met with the mayor and


           18              Stu Renda to discuss the cable franchise


           19              renewal and Comcast is eager to include


           20              council in it's discussions as well.  Since


           21              not all council members by law can be


           22              present at those particular discussions, I


           23              believe it is important for Comcast to visit


           24              council in order to include all council


           25              members.






            1                      At this time I can say, however,


            2              that unless the ratepayers should receive a


            3              fixed bargain that can't be beat, I cannot


            4              agree to their proposed 15-year agreement.


            5                      Fifth, Mr. Renda provided responses


            6              to citizen's questions which were posed at


            7              the November 25 public hearing of the 2009


            8              operating budget.  If anyone is interested


            9              in a copy of his responses, please see me


           10              after tonight's meeting.


           11                      Sixth, the Northeastern Pennsylvania


           12              Alliance contacted the Office of City


           13              Council regarding the possibility of a


           14              federal stimulus package due to current


           15              economic conditions.  It is soliciting


           16              potential projects to take advantage of any


           17              stimulus program involving the economic


           18              development administration.  Since it's


           19              serves, NEPA that is, as the regional


           20              district for EDA in Lackawanna County.  With


           21              council's agreement, I would like a letter


           22              send to Mr. Brazil, DPW director, to inquire


           23              if any road or infrastructure projects


           24              within the city have been proposed to


           25              Northeastern Pennsylvania Alliance for






            1              potential funding as soon as possible since


            2              the deadline for the project description


            3              submission is January 31, 2009.  If so,


            4              please forward a copy of your NEPA


            5              submission to city council on or before


            6              February 1, 2009.  Many streets throughout


            7              our city need paving and bridges require


            8              repairs.


            9                      In addition, some of the projects


           10              that Mr. Brazil and Mr. Parker felt were too


           11              expensive for the city to undertake, for


           12              example, in the Marvin section, Fawnwood,


           13              Cameron Avenue, the Hill Section, Oakwood he


           14              Estates, where roads, driveways and


           15              properties have eroded and hazardous


           16              conditions resulted, could possibly be


           17              included for assistance from this stimulus


           18              package.


           19                      And, finally, I have request for the


           20              last few weeks:  Number one, contact the


           21              Human Resources Department for printed


           22              copies of both the acceptable usage policy


           23              and the acceptable usage guidelines of the


           24              City of Scranton's IT resources involving


           25              the internet and electronic mail by the City






            1              of Scranton work force members.


            2                      Next, resubmit letters of citizens'


            3              request to Mr. Brazil from October 29 and


            4              November 12.  Council received no responses


            5              or updates as of January 6.


            6                      Resubmit the letter of November 12


            7              to Mr. Stu Renda regarding fees owed to the


            8              city by the Forum Garage for parking spaces.


            9              Council received no response to date.  Also,


           10              council requests that Mr. Renda provide it


           11              with a copy of the open records policy which


           12              should be adopted by the city.


           13                      Fourth, resubmit the letter of


           14              December 11 to Mr. Don King, city planner,


           15              regarding the Keyser Terrace Development.


           16              Request a response on or before January 12.


           17                      City residents report that


           18              approximately eight vehicles are parking on


           19              the sidewalk on the westerly side of 2509 to


           20              2520 North Main avenue causing dangerous


           21              conditions for pedestrians who must walk in


           22              the street, particularly, during and after


           23              snow falls.  The front of North Scranton


           24              Junior High is littered with leaves and


           25              debris according to residents and motorists.






            1              Please address this.


            2                      A letter to Goodwill Industries,


            3              please provide city council with an update


            4              on the structure and property that was once


            5              housed -- excuse me, that once housed North


            6              Scranton Junior High School on or before


            7              February 2, 2009.


            8                      Please clear litter along the road


            9              between the firehouse at Mountain Lake and


           10              East Mountain.


           11                      And unlike what some of tonight's


           12              speakers have reported, I happened to


           13              receive several 3-mails that wanted me on


           14              their behalf to thank the DPW employees and


           15              Mr. Brazil for their timely response to


           16              streets and related problems during our


           17              December snow falls, so on behalf of those


           18              residents I am thanking the DPW.


           19                      And also, I would like to determine


           20              by next week what the annual taxes paid to


           21              the City of Scranton are for the Connell


           22              building, and that's it.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF: Before we proceed, we


           24              did a get a response from Mr. King on Keyser


           25              Terrace.  I don't know --






            1                      MS. EVANS: Oh, did we?  It must have


            2              come today because I got my male yesterday.


            3                      MR. MCGOFF: It's about --


            4                      MS. GATELLI: Yes, the sixth.


            5                      MR. MCGOFF: Any objections to any of


            6              the letters at that Mrs. Evans mentioned


            7              being sent?


            8                      MS. FANUCCI:  No.


            9                      MR. MCGOFF: So, please.


           10                      MS. EVANS: Thank you.


           11                      MS. GARVEY: If I can, before


           12              Mrs. Gatelli starts, just to touch on


           13              something that Mrs. Evans spoke on regarding


           14              that the audit report that goes to DCED, I


           15              don't know if council is aware each year my


           16              office receives -- it comes to me from DCED


           17              and PennDOT, a packet comes with all of the


           18              forms that are necessary to be filed with


           19              DCED each year and they all have deadlines.


           20              Out of those letters I am responsible for


           21              distributing them to the proper departments


           22              and the forms in which they are required to


           23              fill out.  Our office is required to fill


           24              out two, the controller's office has one,


           25              which is the one you are speaking of, and






            1              the business administrator's office I think


            2              has one or two, and then Jeff Brazil would


            3              also have the liquid fuels out of that.


            4                      Those have gone out, I have been in


            5              contact with DCED.  When we received that


            6              letter that you are speaking of that the


            7              form was late, I looked to see where that


            8              would have gone to, that was the one that


            9              would have gone to the Controller's Office,


           10              so I went over there so what the problem


           11              was.  Evidently, they wanted it in their


           12              format and in the past it had been done in a


           13              different format.  Now DCDE is requiring --


           14                      MS. EVANS: Online?


           15                      MS. GARVEY: Yes.  Online.  They are


           16              requiring that they do it online anymore,


           17              electronically.  I relayed that information


           18              to both the BA's Office and to the


           19              Controller's Office and they are working on


           20              that right now as we speak, so hopefully


           21              that will taken care of this week, so


           22              hopefully that will be taken care of.  So


           23              that's a separate issue from the independent


           24              audit that you are speaking on, however, it


           25              kind of goes hand-in-hand, they will need






            1              some information from them, but they are


            2              fully aware of what information they need to


            3              fill out on the form, okay?


            4                      MS. EVANS: Well, Kay, I'm very glad


            5              to know that you are responsible and are or


            6              top of things.  You are very responsibility.


            7                      MS. GARVEY: Right.  I just have to


            8              distribute them to them.


            9                      MS. EVANS:  You are a very


           10              responsible employee.


           11                      MS. GARVEY: Thank you.


           12                      MR. MCGOFF: Mrs. Gatelli?


           13                      MS. GATELLI: The first thing I would


           14              like to say is I would like to congratulate


           15              one of our students, Eric Shrive.  I don't


           16              know if any of you saw the game on Saturday


           17              where we played with Army, he was one of the


           18              select few to be chosen for the team and he


           19              did an excellent job.  We are going to be


           20              giving him a proclamation, and it's being


           21              prepared, but I just wanted to congratulate


           22              him publically because he deserves it.


           23                      Also, Mike DeAntona, I'd like to see


           24              if council would agree to send him a letter


           25              that he will certainly be missed at West






            1              Scranton High School as a football coach.


            2              He was a very dedicated coach and his heart


            3              was always with the children, they always


            4              came first, so if we could just send him a


            5              congratulatory letter and good luck in his


            6              future endeavors.


            7                      Mr. Sbaraglia talked about the


            8              assessment value of the Steamtown Mall being


            9              $400,000, and I don't know if he is aware or


           10              if the public is aware, but if you look on


           11              your tax bill there is a value also there


           12              for your house and the assessed value is


           13              certainly in no way, shape or form


           14              indicative of the value of your property.


           15              That is why the county is doing a


           16              reassessment because your home, if you go


           17              home and look at your taxes or people that


           18              are at home look at your taxes, I'm sure


           19              they are much, much less of an assessed


           20              value than the true value of your home, so


           21              that is why the mall only has a $400,000


           22              price tag on it.  If you check all of the


           23              other properties in the City of Scranton I'm


           24              sure they will be much lower in assessed


           25              value than their true value.






            1                      I read in the paper, and I'm not


            2              sure but I think it's tomorrow at 4:00 in


            3              OECD, they are applying for a $3 million


            4              loan to help people with foreclosures of


            5              their homes in the city, and I thought that


            6              was a wonderful idea and I think it's


            7              commendable.  I think council should send a


            8              letter supporting that program because we


            9              certainly need to help any residents with


           10              any foreclosures or rehabilitation of their


           11              homes with the economy in the shape that


           12              it's in, so if the rest of you would agree I


           13              would like to send a letter of support to


           14              Linda Aebli to use this money and to use our


           15              letter as part of her testimony if that's


           16              okay with everybody?  Thank you.


           17                      I talked to Beth Thursby, she has


           18              been working on the dog ordinance with me,


           19              and she is going to have it ready within the


           20              next week or two, so those of you were


           21              interested in that I would like you know


           22              that it is on it's way and I will get it to


           23              Mr. Minora and then we'll work on that once


           24              I hear from Mrs. Thursby.  She used to be


           25              the police officer in Scranton that had the






            1              dog and she is now a dog trainer, so she has


            2              a lot of knowledge concerning dogs.  She has


            3              been working closely with me.


            4                      The cell phone ordinance, Kay has


            5              the one from Carbondale and we are going to


            6              use it for Scranton.  I don't know that it's


            7              going to be able to be enforced.  That's one


            8              of the drawbacks of the cell phone


            9              ordinance.  I think Carbondale only had one


           10              person fined.  Maybe it will help, maybe


           11              some people will abide by it even though it


           12              won't be able to be enforced.  It is very


           13              frustrating when you are driving and the


           14              person in front of you is on the phone and,


           15              you know, they are not making the right turn


           16              or not putting their blinkers on it is very


           17              annoying, so I wish that we could enforce


           18              it, but maybe if it's on the books at least


           19              something can be done.


           20                      Meetings, having meetings and


           21              cancelling meeting.  I would like Kay to


           22              look up for me, if she would, the last few


           23              councils and if any of them have met in the


           24              month of August.  We recessed in the month


           25              of August and I think that has been






            1              tradition for as far back as I can remember


            2              coming to council, which is the better part


            3              of 25 years I have been coming into these


            4              chambers as a neighborhood member, and I


            5              always remember council recessing in August.


            6                      I also remember that once the budget


            7              was adopted they took a few weeks off in


            8              December, so I don't think that this is


            9              unusual, and I would like to see that just


           10              for the record.  And for the record, I did


           11              give back part of my salary.  I gave back


           12              $625 last year to the city, 5 percent of my


           13              salary.


           14                      Douglas Miller talked about the


           15              University of Scranton and cutting the trees


           16              down.  I know that we are going to be


           17              hearing from the University very shortly


           18              about their program that they are going to


           19              be doing on Mulberry Street.  It is going to


           20              be much more extensive than what they had


           21              originally planned for that avenue.  They


           22              want to make it a gateway, Mulberry Street,


           23              to the city and to their campus and the tree


           24              cutting, if you read the article in the


           25              paper, Mr. Santolli, who is our forester,






            1              was very pleased that the University cut the


            2              trees down.  It is not their responsibility


            3              to trim the trees that are on the tree lawn.


            4              Those trees belong to the City and they did


            5              save us quite a bit of money if you read the


            6              article from Mr. Santolli, so I would just


            7              like to state that for the record that it


            8              was something, maybe it is helping them I'm


            9              not denying that, but it certainly is


           10              helping the city, also, saving us from


           11              trimming trees that needed trimming


           12              according to our city forester.


           13                      Parking permit list, would you get


           14              that for us, Kay?  I know I saw it not long


           15              ago, but I don't know if I will be able to


           16              find it at home.  It had the list of people


           17              that had paid up into a certain point, so if


           18              you can get that from us from


           19              Mr. Seitzinger.


           20                      Also, I asked for a list from Chief


           21              Elliott of the COM-D police schedules and I


           22              never heard from him, so if you can ask him


           23              again I would like to know how many COM-D


           24              officers there are and where they are being


           25              used if he would please let us know that.






            1                      Also, I would just like to send one


            2              more notice to Mr. Seitzinger about


            3              demolition and if he could please let me


            4              know about the following properties:


            5              2517-19 North Main Avenue, that's the


            6              Habitat for Humanity House that is in


            7              deplorable condition, it was repaired twice


            8              and it is horrendous if you ever go by to


            9              look at it.  Also, 521 Main Street, 1310


           10              West Locust and 612 Gibbons Street.


           11                      Also, I was contacted by some people


           12              in the Hill Section and they have a problem


           13              with the property at 418 Prescott Avenue.


           14              They have compressors on the roof and it


           15              seems to be disturbing the neighborhood.  I


           16              know they went to the zoning at one time as


           17              I read through the history of it and


           18              Mr. Wallace did decibel readings in the


           19              neighborhood and the decibel readings,


           20              although they were close to the limit they


           21              did not exceed the limit of the zoning noise


           22              ordinance.  However, I was there on numerous


           23              occasions, the noise is 24 hours a day and


           24              even though it doesn't exceed the decibel


           25              level for noise it is certainly a nuisance






            1              in the fact that it never stops.  It just


            2              keeps up.  It's like a humming that it just


            3              doesn't go away and it is very annoying.  I


            4              can't imagine living in a situation like


            5              that, but I did send that letter to


            6              Mr. Wallace and I am hoping that they can


            7              get it back on the zoning agenda in a timely


            8              fashion.  I haven't heard a response.


            9                      Also, I got a complaint from


           10              Mr. Lomma about the railroad cars over on


           11              South Washington Avenue near Mr. Z's.  We


           12              addressed this once before, apparently the


           13              railroad company does not want to comply at


           14              all.  I talked to Todd Cortez, who is


           15              assigned to that particular area, and I


           16              wondered why we couldn't treat the railroad


           17              cars the way we treat a home.  If there is a


           18              home or a business that has graffiti all


           19              over and it and it's rusted and decrepit we


           20              certainly can file citations against the


           21              property owner.  So, Todd was going to


           22              investigate that and see if we can't do


           23              something about it.


           24                      I can't believe that the Lackawanna


           25              Railroad is being so stubborn on this issue.






            1              If you take a ride over there it really is


            2              disgraceful to see those old decrepit trains


            3              with graffiti all over them when people are


            4              trying to open legitimate businesses over


            5              there and trying to get the neighborhood to


            6              look better, so I'm hoping that we will get


            7              a positive response this time concerning


            8              that.


            9                      Also, I'm not sure where I read it,


           10              but I think it was in an editorial in the


           11              times over the holiday about the commuter


           12              tax.  I was told by someone, I can't recall


           13              who, that we cannot revive the commuter tax,


           14              because I always thought it was, you know, a


           15              good thing and for some reason it was just


           16              not collected.  If you saw some of that


           17              collected they gave the money they had to


           18              charities and I would like Attorney Minora


           19              to please investigate if it's possible to


           20              revive the commuter tax.  It certainly was a


           21              good source of revenue.  Those people


           22              certainly come here, they use our hospitals,


           23              they use our streets, and it certainly is a


           24              good way to have a revenue stream that we


           25              can use in the city.  Philadelphia has it






            1              for many, many years and other communities


            2              have, too, so I don't know why we can't have


            3              it as a revenue stream.  That's all I have.


            4              Thank you.


            5                      MR. MCGOFF: May I --


            6                      MS. EVANS: May I?


            7                      MR. MCGOFF: Yes.


            8                      MS. EVANS: Just one second,


            9              Mrs. Gatelli, when you were addressing that


           10              business that has these disturbing noise


           11              levels 24 hours a day, I know what you are


           12              talking about because this has been ongoing


           13              for years now, and I think everybody since


           14              we have been on council has been contacted


           15              by Joan about the situation and I know what


           16              you are saying about the decibel levels and


           17              such, but what did you say then you thought


           18              could be done?  You were going to contact


           19              Mr. Wallace and -


           20                      MS. GATELLI: And hope that it can go


           21              to the zoning board again.


           22                      MS. EVANS: In other words, get it


           23              rezoned?


           24                      MS. GATELLI: No, get it heard before


           25              the zoning board.  It was supposed to be






            1              heard there and it wasn't heard because he


            2              did a decibel reading and it didn't exceed


            3              the reading, but you don't have to exceed


            4              the reading for it to be a nuisance.  If


            5              it's not successful there I will advise them


            6              to get an attorney.  We did that back at the


            7              old Compression Polymer on Windfield Avenue


            8              and we were successful.


            9                      MS. EVANS: See, I'm just wondering,


           10              I agree with what you are saying --


           11                      MS. GATELLI: It's terrible.


           12                      MS. EVANS: It is.


           13                      MS. GATELLI: Terrible.


           14                      MS. EVANS:  But we have a similar


           15              situation going on with Daron Northeast and


           16              the amount of the noise there into the wee


           17              hours of the morning and then beginning


           18              again about 5 a.m., even though they were


           19              supposed to have relocated, evidently they


           20              must be using this location as a storage


           21              facility or something because nothing has


           22              been cleared out, and the truck traffic, the


           23              diesel trucks continue and, you know, as


           24              they are idling all that toxic fume and


           25              material is enveloping that neighborhood, so






            1              I'm just wondering if, you know, action can


            2              be taken involving this particular business


            3              couldn't then action be taken involving


            4              Daron Northeast?


            5                      MS. GATELLI: I would assume so.


            6                      MS. EVANS: And my only concern was


            7              that every time I asked Attorney Penetar


            8              about this he has turned down every request


            9              saying that, well, the city will be sued


           10              because we are looking to spot zone and


           11              then, you know --


           12                      MR. GATELLI: This wouldn't change


           13              the zone at all.  He is in the wrong zone


           14              this guy, in my opinion.  I mean, I'm not an


           15              attorney or the zoning board, but in my


           16              opinion he is in the wrong zone.


           17                      MS. EVANS: No, I agree with you,


           18              but--


           19                      MS. GATELLI:  He is commercial, and


           20              neighborhood commercial shouldn't have all


           21              of that stuff on the roof, in my opinion.


           22                      MS. EVANS: And that I believe is the


           23              same thing that -- it could be the same


           24              zoning down in the area of Daron Northeast.


           25                      MS. GATELLI: Well, Daron is in the






            1              right zone, that's the only difference


            2              there.


            3                      MS. EVANS: I would think --


            4                      MS. GATELLI: They are abutting a


            5              residential and that's a big problem.


            6                      MS. EVANS: Yeah, they are less than


            7              30 feet with no buffer zone, but I would


            8              think this company, you know, if Attorney


            9              Pentar believes Daron Northeast would sue


           10              I'll believe that company will sue, too.


           11                      MS. GATELLI: Well, that could be


           12              true.


           13                      MS. EVANS: So what I'm saying bottom


           14              line is --


           15                      MS. GATELLI: We can always do it


           16              privately.


           17                      MS. EVANS: -- we need to look for


           18              avenues of relief for these neighborhoods.


           19              If zoning isn't going to do it, then we have


           20              to find another way to provide it for them.


           21              What that is, I don't know.


           22                      MS. GATELLI: Well, what we did in


           23              our neighborhood is we had to hire a lawyer


           24              and, unfortunately, the neighbors had to


           25              chip in, and they were willing, because it






            1              was so bad that they were desperate and


            2              every family chipped in $60, which wasn't


            3              really a lot to get rid of something in your


            4              neighborhood, and we won the case.  You


            5              know, they were all Philadelphia lawyers.


            6                      MS. EVANS: When was the case?


            7                      MS. GATELLI: Oh, I'd say about seven


            8              years ago.


            9                      MR. MCGOFF: Well --


           10                      MS. EVANS: Oh, I'm sorry.


           11                      MS. GATELLI:  So there is the


           12              possibility, and think I talked to Dan about


           13              that at some point in time --


           14                      MR. HUBBARD: There were three


           15              lawsuits filed.


           16                      MS. FANUCCI: Are we on the question?


           17              No, I'm kidding.


           18                      MS. EVANS: No, I just thought there


           19              was a similarity and what can we do.


           20                      MS. GATELLI:  Sometimes you have to


           21              did a private thing to get rid of the


           22              nuisance.  I know we did that in the Hill


           23              years ago to a landlord, the neighbors filed


           24              a nuisance against his property.


           25                      MS. EVANS:  Oh.






            1                      MS. GATELLI: And they won, but you


            2              have to come up with some money on your own


            3              which some people weren't willing to do.


            4              I'm done.  Thank you.


            5                      MR. MCGOFF: I'm going to interrupt


            6              too, just very quickly, you mentioned that


            7              the Mulberry Street and University of


            8              Scranton, I'm meeting with representatives


            9              from the University of Scranton on the 15th


           10              at which time they are going to tell me


           11              about the project and after that meeting I


           12              would be more than happy, I will let


           13              everyone know what they say.


           14                      MS. EVANS: While you are there why


           15              don't you try to convince them or encourage


           16              them to increase their payments in lieu of


           17              taxes because that would be far more


           18              beneficial to the city?


           19                      MR. MCGOFF: I will bend their arm as


           20              far as I can.


           21                      MS. EVANS: Thank you.


           22                      MR. MCGOFF: Mrs. Fanucci?


           23                      MS. FANUCCI: There is two items on


           24              the agenda tonight that have to do with it


           25              economic development, so I want to discuss






            1              both of them.  5-M is on the docket.  It's a


            2              subordination agreement between the city and


            3              one of the holders.  Now, I'm going to


            4              explain this and go into more detail next


            5              week because this was even a little -- we


            6              were discussing it in the back room and


            7              trying to make sure that we had all of the


            8              right information, but the people who own


            9              the property on 410 and 412 Spruce Street


           10              already is in an agreement with the city for


           11              a loan.  That loan is being purchased by


           12              another company, so they will be in charge


           13              of it.  Personal guarantees will secure the


           14              payments so that the city will not be losing


           15              the money on the original agreement.  This


           16              is the building where Broadway Shoes is, New


           17              Laundry, Courtside Documents and they are


           18              also doing the top two floors with this


           19              money, they are going to be doing the top


           20              two floors spaces for -- what they are


           21              saying is for office space and loft


           22              apartments, so they are still going to


           23              develop the two floors.


           24                      I will have more on this next week


           25              because there were some questions I think we






            1              all had this evening.  We knew we were


            2              second in line to be paid after the bank, we


            3              wanted to make sure that we were still


            4              secure so I will find out more on that next


            5              week.


            6                      The second is 5-L, which is John's


            7              Signs, it's owner and operated by the


            8              original owner of the company.  He has been


            9              in business for 30 years.  He is looking for


           10              a $25,000 commercial industrial revolving


           11              loan at 5 percent.  This loan will be taking


           12              place for ten years.  He only actually has


           13              to have one full-time position created to be


           14              in compliance, but he is expected to have


           15              more than that.  This is for the purchase of


           16              machines that will expand his business.


           17              It's embroidery items and will go into


           18              signage and things that he has not been


           19              doing until he gets -- with this new


           20              equipment, so that is all that I have on


           21              that.


           22                      And I do want it address one thing,


           23              but, of course, the gentleman has left on


           24              claiming that I get my jobs from somewhere


           25              else and my qualifications.  I would love






            1              for that to be brought forward and to bring


            2              that ahead.  My daughter today is in the


            3              audience and I want to, you know, say hello


            4              to her and welcome her, and I prepared her


            5              well for what this place would hold, yeah,


            6              Isabella, but also she knows how hard mommy


            7              works and she always knows why, and as far


            8              as I'm concerned that's all that really


            9              matters out there, but I always told you,


           10              Honey, you pick and choose your battles, and


           11              this one I will pick for the benefit of both


           12              of us, and I love you.  And that is all I


           13              have.  Thank you.


           14                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mrs. Fanucci.


           15              Mr. Courtright.


           16                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Yes.  I would like


           17              to wish a happy holiday to those who are


           18              observing it this eve.  Bob Bolus' Christmas


           19              dinner I go to every year for about the last


           20              seven years, and I was talking with a friend


           21              of mine there and we were saying that -- or,


           22              you know, he was saying it doesn't appear


           23              that some of the people there really needed


           24              a meal that, you know, that they were


           25              self-sufficient, you know, could provide for






            1              themselves, but I think around Christmas


            2              time a lot of people come there to be with


            3              somebody.  There was an older woman sitting


            4              there by herself and she was saying that she


            5              had hoped that her friends would come, so


            6              that she could be somebody so it's just not


            7              for the meal it's for some companionship at


            8              Christmas time.


            9                      Kay, I have a couple for you, at


           10              Meridian and Jackson Terrace, it's a project


           11              down there, if you are heading north on


           12              Meridian Avenue there is a very large


           13              pothole that if somebody is coming south you


           14              can't avoid it and it will definitely damage


           15              vehicles, and I think the city will end up


           16              paying for those vehicles, so I'm going ask


           17              the DPW to take a look at that, Meridian


           18              Avenue right alongside of Jackson and


           19              Terrace.


           20                      Also if you could ask, I believe it


           21              would go to Mark Seitzinger, I brought this


           22              up in the past, the corner of Hyde Park


           23              Avenue and Jackson Street the city tore down


           24              a building, they put gravel in there, and


           25              it's -- every time it rains hard it washes






            1              out into the road into the 100 block of that


            2              avenue have to shovel it and put it in


            3              buckets or wheelbarrows and truck it back up


            4              the street.  Well, it's gotten so bad now


            5              that the people that belong to the Jackson


            6              Street Baptist Church, they have a parking


            7              lot right next to it, they have to exit


            8              their parking lot and walk out into the


            9              roadway to go to church.  The sidewalks are


           10              really, really bad underneath all of this


           11              gravel, also, so something has to done


           12              there.  People can't even go to church


           13              there.


           14                      The cable, my hope is this with the


           15              cable company, that we would have more than


           16              one in the city.  I looked at some places


           17              where they have or two or three and then


           18              it's competitive and it's a better deal for


           19              the people.  It doesn't appear that's going


           20              to happen here, and maybe Mrs. Evans can


           21              help me out with this, it's her committee so


           22              I'll pass the ball to you if I could, when


           23              it snows, and it just so happened that it


           24              snowed on recycling day the last time, and


           25              in certain parts of the city they didn't






            1              pick of the recycling and people didn't know


            2              whether they were going to pick it up or not


            3              so now they left out the -- it was the paper


            4              at the time, now it snows on the paper, goes


            5              on the paper, it's twice as heavy for these


            6              guys to pick up, so maybe is it possible if


            7              they are going to cancel the recycling for


            8              that particular item for the entire week


            9              that can flash it on Channel 61 or put a


           10              blurb in the paper that way people don't


           11              take it back until the next time around


           12              because this time there was paper blowing


           13              all over of the place, but I know those guys


           14              have to pick it up and that's heavy.


           15                      And this one I'm going to take a


           16              little bit of time on, and if you could just


           17              bear with me and if anybody wants to jump in


           18              after I'm done talking about this feel free,


           19              since I have been on this council every year


           20              the budget comes up I think it's one thing


           21              that all five, whether it's this council


           22              that I sat on or the prior one agreed on,


           23              that we would give the largest amount


           24              possible allowable by law from OECD for beat


           25              cops, and every council that I have been on






            1              has done that.  And what that calls for is


            2              ten beat officers on the street.  Last year


            3              we had zero until what time that this


            4              council asked to be have the regular


            5              officers work overtime to fill the beats.


            6              Why we needed to do that, and I said this


            7              before and I'll say it again, someone


            8              dropped the ball.  They did not test enough


            9              so that we had a pool of officers to draw


           10              from, and I see where we are giving another


           11              test, but I still don't think we are not


           12              going to have enough officers to draw from.


           13                      So what is happening is this council


           14              has asked that we put the regular officers


           15              on and they did, but they never put ten,


           16              sometimes they put six and then it went to


           17              four, and when I inquired about it and I


           18              discussed this with Mrs. Gatelli, when I


           19              inquired about it I was told by somebody


           20              they said it was money and I said, it's


           21              impossible we could running out of money


           22              because we appropriate this money every year


           23              and if we don't use it the understanding


           24              always has been that money would be banked,


           25              so we should have plenty of money, never be






            1              able to run out, but there was some on so I


            2              don't say anything.  The last two to three


            3              weeks there was zero.  Zero guys on the


            4              street.  None.


            5                      If I could explain something, and it


            6              might be a little bit confusing, but when


            7              they use -- when we appropriate enough money


            8              for ten beat officers that also has to take


            9              into consideration their benefits, so there


           10              is "X" amount of dollars available for ten


           11              beat officers.  When we put a regular cop on


           12              the street you are not paying their


           13              benefits, they are already being paid for


           14              it, so even if you were paying them time and


           15              a half, you know, it doesn't eat up what you


           16              think it eats up.


           17                      My question is this, I think this


           18              just makes sense, if we allowed "X" amount


           19              of dollars per week for ten officers, five


           20              days a week on the street and we don't have


           21              enough officers to fill it and we want to


           22              use regular cops, well, it's pretty simple


           23              to figure it out.  Here is how much money


           24              you have each week, okay?  How many regular


           25              officers could we use and come up with that






            1              amount.  Now, say it's $10,000, I don't know


            2              the figures, I'll just $10,000.  Well, if


            3              $10,000 puts ten guys on the street five


            4              days a week and at time and a half we can do


            5              ten we do ten.  If we can do seven we can do


            6              seven.  Why wouldn't you put as many as you


            7              have money for on the street?  It doesn't


            8              make sense to me.  I mean, and if they are


            9              not going to -- if they are not going to use


           10              the money that we give them then why do we


           11              give it to them each year and where does


           12              that money go?


           13                      So, I hesitated to do this ever


           14              before, and I really don't want to do it


           15              now, and I don't want to do it now and I'm


           16              hoping I don't have to, that money has got


           17              to go somewhere if we are not using it and


           18              it's government or federal government and if


           19              we can't get some -- or I can't get some


           20              satisfaction I will ask whoever oversees


           21              this for the federal government to come in


           22              and take a look and see if we are doing what


           23              we are doing, if it's correct or not, but


           24              what I would like to see this council doing


           25              is to send a letter to the mayor and ask him






            1              to immediately reinstitute the beat cops and


            2              if we have to pay them time and a half then


            3              we pay them time and a half.  If we can't do


            4              the full ten, however much money the ten


            5              that we paid the probations for would come


            6              up to, seven, six, eight, then we do that


            7              many.


            8                      They are going to tell me, and I


            9              know they are going to tell me, we got guys


           10              coming out of the academy.  We didn't have


           11              enough guys before, we won't have enough


           12              guys now.  We just had another guy leave,


           13              Jason West we had, he is leaving.  They


           14              don't have enough guys coming out of the


           15              academy to fill these spots.  Even with the


           16              people that are coming out now, people that


           17              might come out six months or a year, they


           18              still will not have enough people to fill


           19              the spots.  It takes time.  If a new class


           20              goes in it's at least six months if they go


           21              full-time.  Then they got to ride, they got


           22              to be trained, we are talking eight months


           23              to a year, so we are not going to have


           24              enough people all of next year in my opinion


           25              to fill the spots.






            1                      So, with their money, I'm not asking


            2              you to spend any more money other than what


            3              we gave them, so if you can fill seven spots


            4              you do the seven, but some people say, well,


            5              there is some of the people that are in


            6              charge aren't happy with the performance of


            7              some of the people.  That's up to the people


            8              in charge, all right?  The bottom line is


            9              its' community policing and the community


           10              wants to see them there.  They like seeing


           11              the people walk the beat.  If they are not


           12              living up the standards under the supervisor


           13              then that's up to him to take care of that,


           14              but I don't see them on the street and I


           15              belive the people want to see them on the


           16              street.


           17                      So, I hope I didn't confuse


           18              everybody with what I said, but I would hope


           19              that we would send a letter to the mayor to


           20              ask him to immediately order whoever is in


           21              charge, whether it be Mr. Hayes or Dave


           22              Elliott, to put them back on now.  We have


           23              two on because bidding just started and


           24              regular officers could bid the beat


           25              positions, then the people that are going to






            1              be the COM-Dd would fill the regular


            2              officers, I guess it's legal to do that.


            3              There were only two position now so right


            4              now we have just two officers.  It's not for


            5              lack of people wanting to work the extra


            6              duty, they have no problem getting it.


            7                      As a matter of fact, some of the


            8              people that were getting all the overtime in


            9              the beginning aren't getting in at the end


           10              because there is more seniority has been


           11              jumping on it, so I hope I didn't confuse


           12              you, but I haven't sat on council these past


           13              five or six years where anybody could


           14              disagree that they would like to see more


           15              officers on the street.  We have got the


           16              money, let's use it.  If they are telling me


           17              it's not there I need to know where it is


           18              because every year we have appropriated --


           19              remember, I think we tried to do more than


           20              allowed.


           21                      MS. EVANS: We tried to do more this


           22              year and we were told it's not necessary


           23              because we have so much remaining --


           24                      MS. GATELLI: Left over.


           25                      MS. EVANS: -- in this account.  I






            1              think it was 280 and some thousand dollars.


            2                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I think it was more.


            3              In the past we asked to give more than was


            4              allowed by OECD will only allow "X" amount


            5              of dollars.


            6                      MS. GATELLI: Well, I'll tell you, as


            7              a neighborhood leader I'm very concerned


            8              about that and we have a program in South


            9              Side, the Community Justice, you know about


           10              it, Nelson, as a police officer, and we


           11              can't function without an officer.  I mean,


           12              that's part of the Community Justice


           13              Program.  The Hill neighborhood has a


           14              Community Justice Program, and, you know, I


           15              don't know how we can survive without a


           16              police officer.  We have two bicycles that


           17              we paid for, the South Side Neighborhood.


           18                      MR. COURTRIGHT: And they are sitting


           19              there, right?


           20                      MS. GATELLI: And they are sitting in


           21              the Renaissance Center.  We paid to get them


           22              repaired, you know.  I mean, we absorbed all


           23              of the costs through the neighborhood


           24              association and I think the Hill has bikes,


           25              too.






            1                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Weston Field I know


            2              the Rotells really they paid for renovations


            3              and --


            4                      MS. GATELLI: There are people that


            5              have paid for these bicycles and paid to


            6              repair them.  The only problem I have though


            7              is that the last several times I saw


            8              officers, and I have seen them recently, I


            9              called you the one day --


           10                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Right.


           11                      MS. GATELLI: -- on the phone when I


           12              saw them, I saw two of them, and they were


           13              in North Scranton and I have seen two of


           14              them on Cedar Avenue and I did tell Bill


           15              that that bothered me because even though it


           16              was South Side, and that's where I live and


           17              you know we all have a serious problem over


           18              there, I feel very selfish having two police


           19              officers if one could be in West Side, and


           20              two in North Scranton, well, one could be in


           21              Tripps Park or one could be in the Hill and


           22              one could be in North Scranton.  There was


           23              never a problem with the police officer


           24              being alone on the beat or alone on his


           25              bike, so I don't know why they are






            1              scheduling them in two's.  So, I saw two in


            2              South Side and two in North Scranton, and


            3              nobody else had a beat cop, so you had four


            4              cops and only two areas being covered.


            5              Cover four areas and put one in each


            6              section.


            7                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Right.  I asked that


            8              question and I did got some answers, but I'm


            9              thinking -- I'm really thinking that we have


           10              enough money to cover the whole city.


           11                      MS. FANUCCI:  We do.


           12                      MS. GATELLI: We do.


           13                      MS. FANUCCI: We definitely do.


           14                      MR. COURTRIGHT: And I don't know why


           15              would you not do that?  You know what I


           16              mean?  I just don't understand the reason or


           17              the logic behind it and so if you would


           18              agree that we send a letter --


           19                      MS. GATELLI:  Absolutely.


           20                      MS. FANUCCI: Send it.


           21                      MR. MCGOFF: -- to the mayor and


           22              Chief Elliott


           23                      MR. COURTRIGHT: -- and Chief


           24              Elliott.


           25                      MS. GATELLI: I sent Elliott a letter






            1              two weeks ago, three weeks ago.


            2                      MR. COURTRIGHT: And ultimately the


            3              buck stops with Mayor Doherty.


            4                      MS. GATELLI: He didn't answer me.


            5              We need an answer.


            6                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Yeah, well, the


            7              chief is not answering you, but he has got


            8              to answer to the mayor, so maybe if you can


            9              ask that we will get some results.


           10                      MS. GATELLI: Especially with the


           11              spring.  When the spring comes there's a lot


           12              of --


           13                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  What prompted me is


           14              I knew there were because I had officers


           15              complaining to me, but I had senior citizens


           16              complaining to me about Christmas packages


           17              being stolen, right, and cars being broken


           18              into over the holidays, there is no beat


           19              cops, and I agree with them, they say, if


           20              somebody is going down the street and they


           21              look in the car and they think about


           22              breaking in and they see two cops or a cop


           23              walking they are going to move on, okay?


           24              And I agree with that.  So I just --


           25                      MS. GATELLI:  And what we used to






            1              recommend, too, Bill, was that he stopped in


            2              the businesses during the night.


            3                      MR. COURTRIGHT: The businesses loved


            4              that.


            5                      MS. GATELLI: Stop and visit, they


            6              would stop at Costa's, and that helped with


            7              the businesses being robbed, too, you know


            8              they would make a pattern of stopping into


            9              the businesses at night and just saying


           10              hello.


           11                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So maybe, Kay, could


           12              you put in the letter, and again, once if


           13              everybody agrees with it that Mrs. Gatelli


           14              asked for Chief Elliott to give her a list


           15              every week and she hasn't received that, if


           16              he can assure us that this council would get


           17              a weekly report on how many officers are


           18              where, and if for some confidential reason


           19              they don't want us to disclose something


           20              just tell us, we don't want to disclose


           21              that.  I don't think any of us are going to


           22              do anything to jeopardize the safety of


           23              anybody in this city.  It just baffles me


           24              why we are not putting these people on the


           25              street.  I just don't understand it, I'm






            1              starting to get mad here, so anyway, that's


            2              all I have.  Thank you.


            3                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you,


            4              Mr. Courtright.  I would just like to make


            5              one brief comment concerning tonight's


            6              meeting.  The Rules of Council are adopted


            7              by us, and I have only been here a short


            8              time, but I know we have sort of operated on


            9              the spirt of the law rather than the letter


           10              of the law at times and that flexibility is


           11              sometimes tested, and I personally would


           12              rather err on the side of caution and so


           13              when Mrs. Schumacher was speaking certainly


           14              it was not any attempt to prevent her from


           15              saying something or, you know, exercising


           16              her freedom of speech, but rather than just


           17              to attempt to make sure that some else


           18              wasn't being hurt by what was said.


           19                      Also, I don't believe that the


           20              podium or the dais is a place for


           21              accusations to be made.  I think


           22              acquisitions from either side are


           23              counterproductive and all they lead to is


           24              disruption in the meetings and I really do


           25              not think it produces anything that is






            1              positive and certainly in the future I would


            2              ask that, again, speakers and council


            3              members refrain this any type of accusations


            4              being made.  It just -- this is not the


            5              place for that type of behavior and this is


            6              a place of business and I would like to see


            7              the meetings conducted in that way, and my


            8              apologies to our stenographer for trying to


            9              keep up with what took place, I'm sorry.


           10              And that is all I have, and let us move to


           11              our lengthy business agenda.


           12                      MS. GARVEY: FIFTH ORDER.  5-B.  FOR


           13              INTRODUCTION - AN ORDINANCE - AMENDING FILE


           14              OF THE COUNCIL NO. 8, 1976, ENTITLED "AN


           15              ORDINANCE (AS AMENDED) PROVIDING FOR THE


           16              GENERAL REVENUE BY IMPOSING A TAX AT THE


           17              RATE OF TWO (2) MILLS UPON THE PRIVILEGE OF




           19              OF SCRANTON AS MEASURED BY THE GROSS




           21              AND PAYMENT OF THE TAX AS CONDITION TO THE




           23              THE LEVY AND COLLECTION OF SUCH TAX;










            1              UPON THE TAX COLLECTOR; AND IMPOSING


            2              PENALTIES", BY IMPOSING THE BUSINESS


            3              PRIVILEGE TAX AT THE RATE OF ONE (1) MILL


            4              FOR CALENDAR YEAR 2009.


            5                      MR. MCGOFF: At this time I'll


            6              entertain a motion that Item 5-B be


            7              introduced into it's proper committee.


            8                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  So moved.


            9                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.


           10                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?  All


           11              those in favor of introduction signify by


           12              saying aye.


           13                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           14                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           15                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           16                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           17                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           18              ayes have it and so moved.


           19                      MS. GARVEY: Five C. FOR INTRODUCTION


           20              - AN ORDINANCE - AMENDING FILE OF THE


           21              COUNCIL NO. 17, 1994 ENTITLED "AN ORDINANCE




           23              OF THE CITY OF SCRANTON TO ENACT 'A WASTE




           25              OF RAISING REVENUE TO COVER THE WASTE








            2              THE CITY OF SCRANTON FOR THE DISPOSAL OF


            3              REFUSE", BY IMPOSING A WASTE DISPOSAL AND


            4              COLLECTION FEE OF $178.00 FOR THE


            5              CALENDAR YEAR 2009.


            6                      MR. MCGOFF: At this time I'll


            7              entertain a motion that Item 5-C be


            8              introduced into it's proper committee.


            9                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  So moved.


           10                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.


           11                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?  All


           12              those in favor of introduction signify by


           13              saying aye.


           14                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           15                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           16                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           17                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           18                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           19              ayes have it and so moved.


           20                      MS. GARVEY: 5-D. FOR INTRODUCTION -


           21              AN ORDINANCE - AMENDING FILE OF THE COUNCIL


           22              NO. 100, 1976, ENTITLED "AN ORDINANCE (AS




           24              FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 1977", BY SETTING THE


           25              MILLAGE FOR THE YEAR 2009.






            1                      MR. MCGOFF: At this time I'll


            2              entertain a motion that Item 5-D be


            3              introduced into it's proper committee.


            4                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  So moved.


            5                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.


            6                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?  All


            7              those in favor of introduction signify by


            8              saying aye.


            9                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           10                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           11                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           12                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           14              ayes have it and so moved.


           15                      MS. GARVEY: 5-E.  FOR INTRODUCTION -


           16              AN ORDINANCE - AMENDING FILE OF THE COUNCIL


           17              NO. 11, 1976, ENTITLED "AN ORDINANCE (AS


           18              AMENDED) ENACTING, IMPOSING A TAX FOR




           20              TWO PERCENT (2%) ON EARNED INCOME AND NET


           21              PROFITS ON PERSONS, INDIVIDUALS,


           22              ASSOCIATIONS AND BUSINESSES WHO ARE


           23              RESIDENTS OF THE CITY OF SCRANTON, OR


           24              NON-RESIDENTS OF THE CITY OF SCRANTON, FOR








            1              CONDUCTED WITHIN THE CITY OF SCRANTON,










            6              OF THE SAID TAX; AND IMPOSING PENALTIES FOR


            7              THE VIOLATIONS", BY IMPOSING THE WAGE TAX AT


            8              TWO AND FOUR TENTHS PERCENT (2.4%) ON EARNED


            9              INCOME FOR THE YEAR 2009 FOR RESIDENTS.


           10                      MR. MCGOFF: At this time I'll


           11              entertain a motion that Item 5-E be


           12              introduced into it's proper committee.


           13                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  So moved.


           14                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.


           15                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?


           16                      MS. EVANS: Yes.  I believe that wage


           17              tax is the single most oppressive tax within


           18              the City of Scranton.  I believe it could


           19              have been and should have been decreased at


           20              points during the last eight years,


           21              therefore, I am going to be voting, no.


           22                      MR. MCGOFF:  All those in favor of


           23              introduction signify by saying aye.


           24                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           25                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.






            1                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


            2                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?


            3                      MS. EVANS: No.


            4                      MR. MCGOFF: The ayes have it and so


            5              moved.


            6                      MS. GARVEY: 5-F. FOR INTRODUCTION -


            7              AN ORDINANCE - AMENDING FILE OF THE COUNCIL


            8              NO. 7, 1976, ENTITLED "AN ORDINANCE (AS




           10              OF 2 MILLS FOR THE YEAR 1976 AND ANNUALLY




           12              OCCUPATIONS AND BUSINESSES THEREIN;








           16              UPON THE TAX COLLECTOR OF THE CITY OF


           17              SCRANTON; AND IMPOSING PENALTIES", BY




           19              (1) MILL FOR CALENDAR YEAR 2009.


           20                      MR. MCGOFF: At this time I'll


           21              entertain a motion that Item 5-F be


           22              introduced into it's proper committee.


           23                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  So moved.


           24                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?  All






            1              those in favor of introduction signify by


            2              saying aye.


            3                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


            4                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


            5                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


            6                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


            7                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


            8              ayes have it and so moved.


            9                      MS. GARVEY: 5-G.  FOR INTRODUCTION -


           10              AN ORDINANCE - AMENDING FILE OF THE COUNCIL


           11              NO. 6, 1976, ENTITLED "AN ORDINANCE (AS






           14              SITUATE WITHIN THE CITY OF SCRANTON;




           16              EVIDENCING THE PAYMENT OF SUCH TAX;








           20              TAX AT TWO AND FIVE TENTHS PERCENT (2.5%)


           21              FOR CALENDAR YEAR 2009.


           22                      MR. MCGOFF: At this time I'll


           23              entertain a motion that Item 5-G be


           24              introduced into it's proper committee.


           25                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  So moved.






            1                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.


            2                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?  All


            3              those in favor of introduction signify by


            4              saying aye.


            5                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


            6                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


            7                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


            8                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


            9                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           10              ayes have it and so moved.


           11                      MS. GARVEY: 5-H.  FOR INTRODUCTION -


           12              AN ORDINANCE - AMENDING FILE OF THE COUNCIL


           13              NO. 145 OF 2007 ENTITLED AN ORDINANCE




           15              SERVICES TAX ("EMST") TO LOCAL SERVICE TAX


           16              ("LST") AND BY IMPOSING A WITHHOLDING OF


           17              $52.00 FOR THE CALENDAR YEAR 2009.


           18                      MR. MCGOFF: At this time I'll


           19              entertain a motion that Item 5-H be


           20              introduced into it's proper committee.


           21                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  So moved.


           22                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?  All


           24              those in favor of introduction signify by


           25              saying aye.






            1                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


            2                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


            3                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


            4                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


            5                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


            6              ayes have it and so moved.


            7                      MS. GARVEY: 5-I.  FOR INTRODUCTION -


            8              A RESOLUTION - ACCEPTING THE GIFT OF A


            9              POLICE VEHICLE, VIN NUMBER 2G1WF55K249348192




           11              IN THE CITY'S FLEET PURSUANT TO A LEASE




           13              WILLIAM O'BRIEN.


           14                      MR. MCGOFF: At this time I'll


           15              entertain a motion that Item 5-I be


           16              introduced into it's proper committee.


           17                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  So moved.


           18                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.


           19                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?  All


           20              those in favor of introduction signify by


           21              saying aye.


           22                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           23                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           24                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           25                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.






            1                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


            2              ayes have it and so moved.


            3                      MS. GARVEY: 5-J.  FOR INTRODUCTION -


            4              A RESOLUTION - AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND








            8              OF SCRANTON POLICE OFFICER O'BRIEN'S


            9              "PRIVATE CRUISER" AS DEFINED HEREIN.


           10                      MR. MCGOFF: At this time I'll


           11              entertain a motion that Item 5-J be


           12              introduced into it's proper committee.


           13                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  So moved.


           14                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.


           15                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?  All


           16              those in favor of introduction signify by


           17              saying aye.


           18                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           19                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           20                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           21                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           22                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           23              ayes have it and so moved.


           24                      MS. GARVEY: 5-K.  FOR INTRODUCTION -


           25              A RESOLUTION - AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND
















            6              BRETT GRIFFITHS.


            7                      MR. MCGOFF: At this time I'll


            8              entertain a motion that Item 5-K be


            9              introduced into it's proper committee.


           10                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  So moved.


           11                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.


           12                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?  All


           13              those in favor of introduction signify by


           14              saying aye.


           15                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           16                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           17                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           18                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           19                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           20              ayes have it and so moved.


           21                      MS. GARVEY: 5-L.  FOR INTRODUCTION -


           22              A RESOLUTION - AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND




           24              CITY OF SCRANTON TO ENTER INTO A LOAN


           25              AGREEMENT AND MAKE A LOAN FROM THE








            2              PROGRAM, PROJECT NO. 08-150.20 IN AN AMOUNT


            3              NOT TO EXCEED $25,000.00 TO JOHN D. MUROSKI,


            4              SR. D/B/A JOHN'S SIGNS TO ASSIST AN ELIGIBLE


            5              PROJECT.


            6                      MR. MCGOFF: At this time I'll


            7              entertain a motion that Item 5-L be


            8              introduced into it's proper committee.


            9                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Second.


           10                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.


           11                      MR. MCGOFF: On that question,


           12              Mr. McGoff, I'm happy, as Mrs. Fanucci said


           13              the gentleman has been 30 years.  I'm glad


           14              to see we are giving somebody that has stuck


           15              by the city this long a loan finally.


           16                      MS. FANUCCI: Right.


           17                      MR. MCGOFF:  All those in favor


           18              signify by saying aye.


           19                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           20                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           21                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           22                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           24              ayes have it and so moved.


           25                      MS. GARVEY: 5-M.  FOR INTRODUCTION -






            1              A RESOLUTION - AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND




            3              CITY OF SCRANTON TO ENTER INTO A






            6              FROM 410-412 SPRUCE STREET, L.L.P. TO




            8              AT 410-412 SPRUCE STREET, SCRANTON, PA, ON


            9              WHICH THE CITY OF SCRANTON HAS A RECORDED


           10              MORTGAGE DATED NOVEMBER 5, 2002 IN THE


           11              PRINCIPAL AMOUNT OF $220,000.00.


           12                      MR. MCGOFF: At this time I'll


           13              entertain a motion that item 5-M be


           14              introduced into it's proper committee.


           15                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.


           16                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.


           17                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?


           18                      MS. EVANS: Yes.  I have a problem


           19              with the city moving from first to second


           20              place, in other words, assuming a position


           21              of superordination when currently the city


           22              is the mortgage holder, especially in these


           23              very difficult economic times, so I'll be


           24              voting, no.


           25                      MR. COURTRIGHT: On the question,






            1              Mr. McGoff, I'm going to vote, yes, to


            2              introduce it and I'm going to either -- I'll


            3              do it myself, I'm going to talk to them.


            4              I'm assuming the reason that he wants to


            5              take it over is because the $220,000 is a


            6              better deal through OECD than it would


            7              through the bank, but I would like to ask as


            8              to why he can't pay off our mortgage and


            9              finance the whole thing.


           10                      MS. EVANS: Could maybe Mrs. Aebli


           11              come to council perhaps next week, I know


           12              that there are a number of questions about


           13              5-N and --


           14                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  I would -- I'll


           15              talk about it, I don't fully understand


           16              that.


           17                      MS. EVANS: Right.  So maybe we could


           18              table it, have her come in and explain 5-N


           19              for us and while she is here then we can


           20              address 5-M.


           21                      MS. FANUCCI: I have no problem


           22              introducing it and then seeing what --


           23                      MR. MCGOFF: Why don't we ask -- I


           24              will ask Ms. Aebli if he she could come next


           25              week and discuss it, and we can introduce it






            1              tonight.


            2                      MS. GATELLI: She could do the two of


            3              them.


            4                      MR. MCGOFF: And she can speak on


            5              both of them.


            6                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I'll go along with


            7              introducing "M", but "N" I would ask that we


            8              table it.  That's a lot of money and I just


            9              don't fully understand that.


           10                      MS. FANUCCI:  Yeah, I think we.


           11                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  I'm very leery on


           12              that one there, so I'll go along with


           13              introducing "M", but when it comes to "N" I


           14              vote to table it.


           15                      MR. MCGOFF: 5-M. All those in favor


           16              signify by saying aye?


           17                      MS. EVANS: Aye.


           18                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           19                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           20                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           21                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           22              ayes have it and so moved.


           23                      MS. GARVEY: 5-N.  FOR INTRODUCTION -


           24              A RESOLUTION - AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND








            1              FOR AND EXECUTE A GRANT FOR THE




            3              ("RACP") THROUGH THE COMMONWEALTH OF




            5              AMOUNT OF FOUR MILLION DOLLARS


            6              ($4,000,000.00); IF THE APPLICATION IS






            9              FUNDS WITH "SCRANTON- CONNELL, LP AND ITS


           10              GENERAL PARTNER "SCRANTON-CONNELL GP, LLC".


           11                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Mr. McGoff, can I


           12              ask Mr. Minora a question?  If we don't


           13              second this does if die?  Do I have to


           14              second it and then we vote on it and I ask


           15              it be tabled?  What will be the proper way?


           16                      MS. EVANS: You know what, could I


           17              jump in here?  I thought we were on, I'm


           18              very sorry, I thought we were discussing "N"


           19              previously and so on "M" I would have voted,


           20              no.  I thought you said 5-N not 5-M and then


           21              I heard Kay read 5-N and I realized too late


           22              you said "M" not "N".


           23                      MS. FANUCCI: Okay.


           24                      MS. EVANS: And the "N" was what I


           25              meant I would like an explanation from Mrs.






            1              Aebli about.


            2                      MS. GATELLI:  But we want one on


            3              "M", too so that worked out.


            4                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  But anyway --


            5                      MS. EVANS: Could we table it.  I


            6              meant table 5-N about the --


            7                      MS. FANUCCI:  The Connell building.


            8                      MS. EVANS -- the 4 million dollars


            9              for the Connell building, not table the --


           10                      MS. GATELLI: We were on "M" at the


           11              time.


           12                      MR. MCGOFF: I will try to


           13              enunciate--


           14                      MR. COURTRIGHT: What do we need to


           15              do, Mr. Minora?


           16                      MR. MINORA: I don't know what you


           17              are asking.


           18                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  I would like to


           19              make a motion to table, but if Kay read it


           20              do we need to vote on it now, second it or


           21              move it and second it then ask to have it


           22              tabled?


           23                      MR. MINORA: Yes.  Have it introduced


           24              and tabled.


           25                      MS. FANUCCI: I'll second it.






            1                      MS. GATELLI: And it needs three


            2              readings.


            3                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  No, this is only a


            4              resolution.


            5                      MS. FANUCCI: I'll second.


            6                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  He didn't --


            7                      MR. MCGOFF: He didn't ask.


            8                      MS. FANUCCI: Go ahead.  Ask.


            9                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.  At this time


           10              I'll entertain a motion that Item 5-N be


           11              introduced into it's proper committee.


           12                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.


           13                      MS. FANUCCI:  Second.


           14                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?


           15                      MR. COURTRIGHT: On the question I


           16              ask that we table this until what time as


           17              Mrs. Aebli comes in.


           18                      MS. EVANS: Second.


           19                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question -- or


           20              excuse me, on the question to table?  All


           21              those in favor of tabling 5-N please signify


           22              by saying aye.


           23                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           24                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           25                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.






            1                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


            2                      MR. MCGOFF:  Opposed?  No. The ayes


            3              have it and 5-N will be tabled.


            4                      MS. GARVEY: 5-O. FOR INTRODUCTION -


            5              A RESOLUTION - RE-APPOINTMENT OF JAMES


            6              MCDONNELL, 1432 SANDERSON AVENUE, SCRANTON,


            7              PENNSYLVANIA, 18509, TO THE BOARD OF THE


            8              SCRANTON RECREATION AUTHORITY.  MR.


            9              MCDONNELL'S CURRENT TERM WILL EXPIRE ON


           10              DECEMBER 31, 2008 AND HIS NEW TERM WILL


           11              EXPIRE ON DECEMBER 31, 2013.


           12                      MR. MCGOFF: At this time I'll


           13              entertain a motion that Item 5-O be


           14              introduced into it's proper committee.


           15                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  So moved.


           16                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.


           17                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?  All


           18              those in favor of introduction signify by


           19              saying aye.


           20                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           21                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           22                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           23                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           24                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           25              ayes have it and so moved.






            1                      MS. GARVEY: 5-P.  FOR INTRODUCTION -


            2              A RESOLUTION - RE-APPOINTMENT OF MARY


            3              ELIZABETH MOYLAN, 1502 PITTSTON AVENUE,


            4              SCRANTON, PENNSYLVANIA, 18505, AS A MEMBER


            5              OF THE CITY PLANNING COMMISSION.  MS.




            7              31, 2008 AND HER NEW TERM WILL EXPIRE ON


            8              DECEMBER 31, 2013.


            9                      MR. MCGOFF: At this time I'll


           10              entertain a motion that Item 5-P be


           11              introduced into it's proper committee.


           12                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  So moved.


           13                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.


           14                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?  All


           15              those in favor of introduction signify by


           16              saying aye.


           17                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           18                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           19                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           20                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           21                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           22              ayes have it and so moved.


           23                      MS. GARVEY: 5-Q. FOR INTRODUCTION -


           24              A RESOLUTION - DESIGNATING THE CITY OF










            2              REQUESTS FOR PUBLIC RECORDS, TO DIRECT




            4              SCRANTON'S PROGRESS IN RESPONDING TO


            5              REQUESTS, AND TO ISSUE INTERIM AND FINAL




            7              LAW.


            8                      MR. MCGOFF: At this time I'll


            9              entertain a motion that Item 5-Q be


           10              introduced into it's proper committee.


           11                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  So moved.


           12                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?  All


           14              those in favor of introduction signify by


           15              saying aye.


           16                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           17                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           18                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           19                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           20                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           21              ayes have it and so moved.


           22                      MS. GARVEY: 5-R. FOR INTRODUCTION -


           23              A RESOLUTION - DESIGNATING THE CITY OF


           24              SCRANTON'S FINANCE MANAGER TO ACT AS








            1              RECEIVE REQUESTS FOR PUBLIC RECORDS, TO








            5              UNDER PENNSYLVANIA'S RIGHT-TO- KNOW LAW.


            6                      MR. MCGOFF: At this time I'll


            7              entertain a motion that Item 5-R be


            8              introduced into it's proper committee.


            9                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  So moved.


           10                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.


           11                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?  All


           12              those in favor of introduction signify by


           13              saying aye.


           14                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           15                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           16                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           17                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           18                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           19              ayes have it and so moved.


           20                      MS. GARVEY: 5-S. FOR INTRODUCTION -


           21              A RESOLUTION - PURSUANT TO SECTION 702 OF


           22              THE RIGHT-TO-KNOW LAW, THE CITY OF SCRANTON,


           23              AS AN AGENCY OF THE COMMONWEALTH, IS NOT




           25              VERBAL REQUESTS FOR ACCESS TO RECORDS; AS






            1              SUCH, THE CITY OF SCRANTON'S OPEN RECORDS




            3              FOR ACCESS TO RECORDS AND WILL NOT ACCEPT




            5              ACCESS TO RECORDS.


            6                      MR. MCGOFF: At this time I'll


            7              entertain a motion that Item 5-S be


            8              introduced into it's proper committee.


            9                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  So moved.


           10                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.


           11                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?  All


           12              those in favor of introduction signify by


           13              saying aye.


           14                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           15                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           16                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           17                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           18                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           19              ayes have it and so moved.


           20                      MS. GARVEY: SIXTH ORDER.  NO


           21              BUSINESS AT THIS TIME.  SEVENTH ORDER.  NO


           22              BUSINESS AT THIS TIME.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF:  Thank you for your


           24              participation and motion to adjourn.


           25                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  So moved.






            1                      MS. EVANS: Mr. McGoff, wait, can my


            2              vote be recorded as a negative for the


            3              record?


            4                      MR. MCGOFF: I have no problem with


            5              that.


            6                      MS. FANUCCI: I have no problem.


            7                      MS. EVANS: Thank you.  I think that


            8              would have been 5-M.


            9                      MR. MCGOFF: "M".  Please record for


           10              the record that Mrs. Evans voted "No" on 5-M


           11              and that the vote would be 4 to 1 passing.


           12              We're adjourned.


































            2                     C E R T I F I C A T E




            4        I hereby certify that the proceedings and


            5   evidence are contained fully and accurately in the


            6   notes of testimony taken by me at the hearing of the


            7   above-captioned matter and that the foregoing is a true


            8   and correct transcript of the same to the best of my


            9   ability.







                                    CATHENE S. NARDOZZI, RPR

           13                       OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER