1              SCRANTON CITY COUNCIL MEETING








            5                          HELD:




            7                   Tuesday, December 9, 2008




            9                        LOCATION:


           10                    Council Chambers


           11                 Scranton City Hall


           12              340 North Washington Avenue


           13                Scranton, Pennsylvania











































                MS. JANET E. EVANS



            9   MS. SHERRY FANUCCI



                MR. WILLIAM COURTRIGHT

           11   (Not present.)



                MS. KAY GARVEY, CITY CLERK






                MR. AMIL MINORA, SOLICITOR

























            1   (Pledge of Allegiance recited and moment of reflection


            2   observed.)


            3                      MR. MCGOFF:  Roll call.


            4                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.


            5                      MS. EVANS:  Here.


            6                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Gatelli.


            7                      MS. GATELLI.  Here.


            8                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.


            9                      MS. FANUCCI:  Here.


           10                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. Courtright.


           11                      (Mr. Courtright not present.)


           12                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes.  Let the record


           14              reflect that Mr. Courtright has informed


           15              council that he will not be attending


           16              tonight's meeting.  Dispense with the


           17              reading of the minutes.  Third Order.


           18                      MS. GARVEY: 3-A.  TAX COLLECTION




           20              TAX OFFICE ON DECEMBER, 5, 2008.


           21                      MR. MCGOFF:  Are there any comments?


           22              If the not, received and filed.  Thank you.


           23              Prior to Fourth Order, are there any


           24              announcements?


           25                      MS. GARVEY: Yes, I have a few.  Fist






            1              of all, I would like everyone to please keep


            2              in their priors some students at West


            3              Scranton High School who were recently


            4              involved in a very serious accident.  The


            5              one boy had his arm severed and it he Lehigh


            6              Valley Hospital and we are hoping that his


            7              arm can be -- it was reattached, but we are


            8              hoping that it will okay.  He is in serious


            9              condition, and there are also some other


           10              children that were injured, so please keep


           11              them in your prayers.


           12                      Also, one of the inspectors in the


           13              license and inspections, Mr. Ed Joyce, who


           14              does weights and measures, is also very ill


           15              and I would ask that you keep him in your


           16              prayers, also.


           17                      Just for the record, Mrs. Garvey did


           18              send out requests to the cable companies, as


           19              I suggested, to see if this he would like to


           20              bid on the cable.  The following were


           21              notified:  Blue Ridge Communications,


           22              Comcast, Cox, Time Warner, Adams, Charter,


           23              Cablevision, Armstrong and Quest, so we are


           24              hoping that maybe someone would be


           25              interested.






            1                      We had some good things happening at


            2              West Scranton High School also this week.


            3              One of our students, Eric Shrive, made the


            4              US Army all American.  He will be playing in


            5              that bowl on January 3 in San Antonio.  He


            6              is only the second player from the area to


            7              earn Army All-American status, and I'm going


            8              to ask that council if we can possibly give


            9              him a proclamation in the near future if we


           10              would all agree.  I'd.


           11                      Also like to have a proclamation


           12              done, and I will be taking it with me, I


           13              don't think -- it is for my cousin and he is


           14              going to be a 100 years old.  His name is


           15              Dr. Dominic Maldonado.  He was a very


           16              reputable dentist in the community for many


           17              years.  He was one of the founders of the


           18              Association for Retarded Citizens and he is


           19              very active in that organization up until


           20              now, and I don't think that he would be able


           21              to come here and I would ask council if we


           22              can do some type of proclamation and I could


           23              take it to the mass that they are going to


           24              be having for him later in December.  Thank


           25              you.  I hope I got some of his genes.






            1                      The lights up the Nay Aug.  What


            2              happened to some of them were someone asked


            3              about the menorah, and this gentleman


            4              e-mailed me and he said, and I verified it


            5              with the mayor, that some of the religious


            6              lights were taken out of Nay Aug.  The Elm


            7              Park Church has the manager scene and others


            8              were given to the Jewish community.  I


            9              believe the menorah is at the Hebrew Day


           10              School, so they tried to take all of the


           11              religious lights out of Nay Aug and it is


           12              called the holiday display, so that's what I


           13              have to report on that.


           14                      No new news on the audits.  No new


           15              news on the single tax audit, and I will


           16              keep you informed of that.  And several


           17              properties, we have got complaints again at


           18              1101 Cedar and 521 Maple.  Both have been


           19              reported to Mr. Seitzinger.  The one on


           20              Cedar Avenue they are still trying to sell,


           21              and I will keep on them about the sidewalks.


           22              They did cut the grass when I called.  The


           23              realtor was taking responsibility.  And 521


           24              Maple is condemned and it's waiting -- you


           25              have to wait a certain time period before






            1              you can schedule it for demolition, so we


            2              are in that time frame right now.  But I


            3              would also like to complain, and I don't


            4              know if anything was done about it, the


            5              Habitat for Humanity house on North Main


            6              Avenue that Mr. Ellman keeps bringing to our


            7              attention, it's 2517-19 North Main.  They


            8              are now taking aluminum out of the building,


            9              it's disastrous, and it's in very, very bad


           10              shape and I don't understand why that's not


           11              demolished because it has been that way for


           12              several years, so we will get an answer for


           13              you, Mr. Ellman, from Mr. Seitzinger, and I


           14              think that's all I have.  Thank you.


           15                      MS. EVANS: Please remember in your


           16              prayers this week Mr. Tony Bliss, a true


           17              gentleman, a Korean war veteran, and former


           18              president of the Fraternal Order of Eagle's


           19              Club in West Scranton.  Tony is deeply


           20              missed by his family and friends.  Also,


           21              Mr. Jim Davis, a frequent speaker at city


           22              council and school board meetings, a


           23              veteran, and a well-known figure in the


           24              community.  Peace be with you, Jim.  And


           25              Mr. Tony Notarianni, a wonderful husband,






            1              father, brother and uncle, may God bless him


            2              and be with his family and friends now.


            3                      Also, the Lackawanna County Juvenile


            4              Probation Office a sponsoring a countywide


            5              holiday community service project through


            6              Monday, December 15.  They are asking for


            7              donations of newly purchased baby items for


            8              the school age mother's program, an


            9              educational endeavor providing continuing


           10              support and instruction to adolescent mother


           11              and infants in Lackawanna County.


           12              Acceptable donations include diapers, baby


           13              wipes and bath items, receiving blankets,


           14              baby bottles, clothing and socks, sizes


           15              newborn to 12 months, and infant toys for


           16              ages 6 to 12 months.  If you don't have time


           17              to shop, monetary donations can be made


           18              payable to:  Lackawanna County Juvenile


           19              Probation, 200 Adams Avenue, Scranton,


           20              18503.  For any questions, please call


           21              963-6887, extension 4815, and ask for Kim


           22              Owens.


           23                      Also, the Scranton Civic Ballet's


           24              22th annual production of the Nutcracker


           25              under the artistic direction of Mrs. Helen






            1              Gaust, will be held on Friday, December 12,


            2              at 7:30 p.m.; Saturday, December 13, at


            3              7:30 p.m.; and Sunday, December 14 at 2 p.m.


            4              at the Scranton Cultural Center.


            5                      This production showcases all


            6              company dancers ranging in age from 8 to


            7              21 years of age, and while all are students,


            8              the production is breathtakingly


            9              professional.  Tickets are $14 and $17.  Buy


           10              three and get one free, and they are


           11              available at both the Scranton Civic Ballet


           12              Company and at the Cultural Center Box


           13              Office.  You can reach the box office at


           14              693-4100.  The Nutcracker adds up to a


           15              wonderful evening of family entertainment


           16              that is not to be missed.  And for the Mouse


           17              King, who happens to be a favorite of mine,


           18              I say hello and everyone be sure to watch


           19              for him.


           20                      In honor of the community, the Civic


           21              Ballet is holding a food pantry drive at


           22              these performances.  They are asking that


           23              every attendee would donate a nonperishable


           24              food item and as they enter the theatre.


           25              The Civic Ballet Company will distribute the






            1              collected items to St. Francis Soup Kitchen,


            2              United Neighborhood Services and Friends of


            3              the Poor.  That's it.


            4                      MR. MCGOFF:  Thank you, and I just


            5              have one thing to mention, again, First


            6              Night, I have buttons for anyone who would


            7              care to purchase.  I am responsible for


            8              selling 20 of them I'm told, so feel free.


            9              No, not free, there is a cost, but I do have


           10              the buttons available should you care to


           11              purchase.  Thank you.  If that is all,


           12              Fourth Order, citizens participation.  Jim


           13              Stucker.


           14                      MR. STUCKER: I was at the Boots and


           15              Hanks party Saturday and they both have a


           16              good time.  What happened, sad to say it, a


           17              couple of times the guys, Ronnie told the


           18              guys to throw me out the door out the back,


           19              and I hate to say that, he did, a bunch of


           20              guys.  I was supposed to have a good time at


           21              the party, but I didn't this year, and I was


           22              supposed to take some food and they didn't


           23              give me any, so I'm a little bit mad about


           24              it.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF: We were sorry that






            1              happened to you, Jim.


            2                      MR. STUCKER: Yeah, and we got


            3              them -- we got all of the roads fixed.  Now,


            4              over by Ruddy's, Ruddy's Bar -- or Ritter's,


            5              I'm sorry, Ritter's Bar, I was in there two


            6              or three weeks ago and it was nice, so I


            7              think it's good they did it.  So, I don't


            8              know, so I heard, Janet, you are going to be


            9              our new mayor.  That's what everybody was


           10              telling us.  Everybody was saying it around


           11              Scranton.  Everybody said Janet was going to


           12              be our mayor.  I want to see it, and I'm


           13              going vote for you all the way, Janet.


           14                      MS. EVANS: Well, thank you.


           15                      MR. STUCKER: I will vote for you.


           16                      MS. EVANS: Thank you.


           17                      MR. STUCKER: Okay.  And Courtright,


           18              because I have his number here, I spoke to


           19              Mr. Courtright, so can you see him -- can I


           20              give -- write the number down.


           21                      MR. MCGOFF: Give it to Neil and


           22              we'll pass it along.  Thank you very much.


           23              Is that it, Jim?  Thank you, Mr. Stucker.


           24              Jack Powell.


           25                      MR. POWELL:  I want to give you






            1              something first.  Thank you.  Jack Powell,


            2              Scranton.  I'd appreciate it if you would


            3              look at the lower hand corner where it says,


            4              "Apartments," and maybe the other council


            5              persons can look at it, also.  They started


            6              building the buildings at Luzerne and Keyser


            7              on property that was never supposed to be


            8              built on, as we went over, and we are not


            9              going to hash it out here.  Along with


           10              giving us the wrong set of plans and going


           11              to the planning commission we didn't -- so


           12              that we wouldn't go to the meeting, there


           13              are the plans for the townhouses.  Now,


           14              however, if you look at the corner it says,


           15              "Apartments, six units."


           16                      Now, to me, townhouses are one,


           17              apartments are another.  Mrs. Gatelli, you


           18              have Skyview Apartments, Valley View


           19              Apartments, now it looks like we have Keyser


           20              Terrace Apartments, so somebody is really


           21              messing things up here.  It looks like it's


           22              coming out of the planning commission.  I


           23              know that Mr. King gave us the wrong


           24              information the first time, now it looks


           25              like they are giving us the wrong






            1              information the second time.  My opinion


            2              there should -- he should be fired.  That's


            3              what it comes down to.  I mean, how many


            4              issues do we have to take on to get the


            5              truth?  To get the truth.


            6                      We had the meeting because


            7              Mr. McGoff said -- Mr. McGoff says, oh, he


            8              would feel intimidated.  We went there.


            9              Accomplished nothing.  He told us that he


           10              actually didn't need us.  Now, that was our


           11              run up there.  He didn't need us or the


           12              neighborhood association that basically he


           13              could do and get what he wants.  That's what


           14              he told us.


           15                      MS. FANUCCI: He said that at the


           16              meeting?


           17                      MR. POWELL: Yeah.  He said that he


           18              really -- he didn't need our help and he


           19              didn't need the association's help, that he


           20              could have gotten all of this himself, he


           21              didn't need our help.  To me, it's sound


           22              like something is going on in this building


           23              that you can be adamant like that and he


           24              really treated the people, Mary Alice, not


           25              well.






            1                      MS. GATELLI: Mr. Powell, do you know


            2              if they are going to be sold?


            3                      MR. POWELL:  No.  He bought them --


            4              the day we were up there the next day he


            5              went and bought them himself.  He is the


            6              landlord now.


            7                      MS. FANUCCI: So he is renting them?


            8                      MR. POWELL: He went -- yeah, he made


            9              rental properties.  I mean, it's my -- I


           10              guess they are going to put another set down


           11              at the other end, so we are getting -- I


           12              won't say projects, I mean, a housing


           13              project.  I guess this is the way it's going


           14              to be.


           15                      MS. GATELLI: And the townhouses he


           16              sells them; right?


           17                      MR. POWELL:  He sells them, it is my


           18              understanding that some might be rented at


           19              this time, so it's just putting both ends


           20              and coming in and we haven't gotten the


           21              truth anyplace.  Now, I understand that he


           22              wanted to know when we walked in if there


           23              was anybody there, he asked one person, it


           24              was Mr. Barrett, if he was from the


           25              newspaper because apparently he doesn't want






            1              the newspaper anything that goes on.  He is


            2              trying to keep it under wraps.  There is


            3              lawsuits against him it is my understanding


            4              now, but he wants -- he wanted to know if he


            5              was from the newspaper.  He said, "No."


            6                      But there they are worried for some


            7              reason.  Why don't they want the truth to be


            8              known?  Do we have to go out there with


            9              flyers to where he frequents.  Maybe where


           10              he goes on Sunday.  This is also -- he has a


           11              partner which is Harriet Scantos, I don't


           12              know who it is.  Maybe it's his wife, maybe


           13              it's not, but I don't if she condones his


           14              actions and the way we have been lied to.  I


           15              mean, this isn't right.


           16                      MS. FANUCCI: The whole idea.  You


           17              know, we tried to make it to be good


           18              neighbor.


           19                      MR. POWELL:  Yes.  Absolutely.


           20                      MS. FANUCCI: And I think we all


           21              agreed that was something that needed to be


           22              done.


           23                      MR. POWELL: And we get total


           24              disrespect and now him coming out with he


           25              didn't need us, he could have gotten what he






            1              wanted here, it's not right.  You try to be


            2              a good neighbor like when he changed from


            3              one to the another and went to all of our


            4              meetings, even here in this, he agreed


            5              nothing to be built on the corner.  There is


            6              waters issues, as you know, it's just came


            7              back to bite the city with Tripp Park has.


            8              The Cour order I think came down yesterday


            9              and there is issues back there.  I honestly


           10              don't know where to turn at this point.


           11                      MS. GATELLI: Was this approved by


           12              the Planning Commission?


           13                      MR. POWELL:  It's my understanding


           14              it was.


           15                      MS. GATELLI: We'll make sure we


           16              get--


           17                      MR. POWELL:  It was done light, and


           18              I'd to you check it into it in some way


           19              because us and the neighbors aren't getting


           20              any satisfaction.


           21                      MS. GATELLI: All right.  We'll


           22              address.


           23                      MR. POWELL:  We tried to do ti --


           24              Mr. McGoff, you saw what they did.  He told


           25              us not to come to caucus because he wasn't






            1              coming.  Then he shows up because he


            2              anticipates nobody is going to be here.


            3                      MS. FANUCCI: Yes, that was --


            4                      MR. POWELL: I mean he made you


            5              look-- you know what I mean?  This is his


            6              dealings.  This the way it goes, and we'd


            7              just like the truth once in awhile, us and


            8              the other neighbors and the Neighborhood


            9              Association.  Mary Alice wasn't too thrilled


           10              with some of the statements, so --


           11                      MS. FANUCCI: I know we had a list of


           12              things that we wanted taken care of for you,


           13              was any of that resolved?


           14                      MR. POWELL: As far as my end dealing


           15              strictly with the corners.


           16                      MS. FANUCCI: Right.


           17                      MR. POWELL: The roads and a stuff he


           18              had about two or three different black


           19              toppers and know some have left.  They have


           20              come, quit, and gone and he has gotten new


           21              people, so --


           22                      MS. FANUCCI: All right, so that's


           23              still not resolved there?


           24                      MR. POWELL:  Well, as far as the


           25              blacktop goes I believe the back part is,






            1              you know, so that --


            2                      MR. GATELLI: We haven't dedicated


            3              the streets yet.


            4                      MS. EVANS: Not the curbs?


            5                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr. Powell?


            6                      MS. EVANS: The curbs?


            7                      MR. POWELL:  That's on the backside.


            8              The reason I'm here today is because I ended


            9              up with these plans and they are not -- I


           10              mean, his own designer made them and there


           11              are apartments there.


           12                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.  Les


           13              Spindler.


           14                      MR. SPINDLER:  Good evening,


           15              Council.  Les Spindler, homeowner and


           16              taxpayer, Scranton resident.  Mrs. Gatelli,


           17              I echo your thoughts about the children


           18              involved in the accident, one of the


           19              children involved is a good friend of one of


           20              my daughters and my thoughts and prayers are


           21              with her and thankfully my daughter was


           22              talking to her on the phone this afternoon


           23              and thank God she doing much better, but


           24              it's a miracle from what I have heard that


           25              none of those kids were killed.  It's






            1              unbelievable.  I thank God they are all


            2              okay.  I hope.  That's all for that.


            3                      CDTV, I have two words for that.  It


            4              sucks.  The programming is terrible unless


            5              you like Betty Boop, the sound is


            6              horrendous.  You have a microphone up to a


            7              speaker here.  I had a dozen people or more


            8              come up to me last week, and I also watched


            9              the replay last Wednesday, had my volume up


           10              to 100 on my TV, which was as high as it


           11              could go and could not understand a word


           12              anybody said, and there had to be a least a


           13              dozen people came up to me and repeated the


           14              same thing.  This station is unbelievable.


           15              Chris Doherty got just what he wants, a


           16              station with programming nobody wants to


           17              watch or if they do watch it they can't hear


           18              anything.


           19                      Okay, moving on.  Last week, Mrs.


           20              Fanucci, you said who tells me what to say.


           21              Well, nobody tells me what to say, I speak


           22              for myself, and if somebody did tell me what


           23              to say, so what?  I'm not an elected


           24              official.  You being an elected official you


           25              should serve the taxpayers and not listen to






            1              what Chris Doherty says to you.


            2                      Now, I'm going to repeat the


            3              question I had last week, why didn't you


            4              question Mayor Doherty for all of the


            5              appeals and arbitration losses he had


            6              costing the taxpayers over $1 million?  Do


            7              you have an answer for that?  Why didn't you


            8              ever question him on that?


            9                      MS. FANUCCI: How much time do you


           10              want, Les?  Yeah, I have an answer, I have


           11              an answer for that.  They are in


           12              negotiations.  There will be lawsuits.  The


           13              unions suing, the city will be suing.


           14              That's part of the deal and, yes, it is his


           15              responsibility to sue when they sue.  It is


           16              his responsibility to do the same thing, to


           17              do this in negotiations.  That's what


           18              negotiations are.  This is how it happens.


           19              You can't expect the unions to sue and then


           20              the city not to sue back or not to do what


           21              their intention was.


           22                      And you still have to remember, the


           23              Recovery Plan did pass.  It passed by the


           24              taxpayers of this city, so we are still


           25              bound by that whether we like it or not.  We






            1              are still bound by that.  So, therefore,


            2              with those guidelines it is our


            3              responsibility to still try to follow that


            4              whether or not you like it, agree with it or


            5              whether I agree with it or like it.  It is


            6              still the responsibility of the city to do


            7              what's right and do what the people voted


            8              for which was the Recovery Plan.  So, yes,


            9              it is -- it is still --


           10                      MR. SPINDLER: Only by the threat of


           11              a tax hike, that's why they voted for.


           12                      MS. FANUCCI: Excuse me?


           13                      MR. SPINDLER: Because they were


           14              threatened with a tax hike if they didn't


           15              pass the Recovery Plan.


           16                      MS. FANUCCI: Well, whatever your


           17              reasoning is, it was still voted upon and


           18              passed.  Your idea of why and my idea of why


           19              doesn't really matter at this point.  It


           20              still is what it is.


           21                      MR. SPINDLER: But you are


           22              complaining about Carl Greco wasting $25,000


           23              of taxpayer's money.


           24                      MS. FANUCCI: Absolutely.


           25              Absolutely.






            1                      MR. SPINDLER:  But you don't care


            2              about Mayor Doherty wasting a million


            3              dollars.


            4                      MS. FANUCCI: Well, it's not waste to


            5              me.


            6                      MR. SPINDLER: No, of course not.


            7                      MS. FANUCCI: It's not waste.  You


            8              have to do what you have to do.


            9                      MR. SPINDLER: It is waste.  He


           10              losses arbitration after arbitration and


           11              keeps appealing.


           12                      MS. FANUCCI: And so do -- the unions


           13              keep losing, too, but it's part of the


           14              negotiation, Les.  That's what negotiation


           15              is.  I don't know what else to tell you.


           16                      MR. SPINDLER: Okay, I have another


           17              question.  How many pieces of legislation


           18              that Mayor Doherty has sent down to this


           19              council have you voted against?


           20                      MS. FANUCCI: I really don't know.  I


           21              couldn't tell you.


           22                      MR. SPINDLER: I'll tell you, zero.


           23                      MS. FANUCCI: Okay.


           24                      MR. SPINDLER: How many budgets have


           25              you vote against.






            1                      MS. FANUCCI: Actually, I don't


            2              believe I voted for the 44 --


            3                      MR. SPINDLER: How many budgets have


            4              you voted against?


            5                      MS. FANUCCI: Did they ever ask for


            6              that?


            7                      MS. GATELLI:  Yes.


            8                      MS. FANUCCI: No, I don't think I


            9              did.


           10                      MR. SPINDLER:  How many budgets have


           11              you voted against?


           12                      MS. FANUCCI: Oh, none.  Absolutely


           13              none.


           14                      MR. SPINDLER: Zero.


           15                      MS. FANUCCI: Right.  Yeah.


           16                      MR. SPINDLER:  I rest my case.  You


           17              work for him not the citizens.  Thank you.


           18                      MS. FANUCCI: The citizens do benefit


           19              from the budget, Les, that's part of the


           20              deal.  That's who it's for.


           21                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr. Spindler.


           22              Ozzie Quinn.


           23                      MR. QUINN: Ozzie Quinn, Taxpayers'


           24              Association.  In regards to 7-A, I spoke


           25              about that at the last meeting, $150,000.






            1              I'll bet Mr. Greco has taken out of the city


            2              over half a million dollars, well over a


            3              half a million dollars and, you know, there


            4              is millions of people out there under the


            5              hard economic conditions that we are under


            6              that are unemployed, and this man wants to


            7              increase his contract to $150,000.  Now,


            8              that's arrogance.  That's -- it's plain


            9              arrogance and it's borderline greed, and if


           10              you people -- I would recommend -- I


           11              recommend -- the fact that he is taking away


           12              from low income by spending it, but if he


           13              get this contract, if it's $100,000, I


           14              recommend that it goes down to $75,000.


           15                      Also, tax exempt properties, I don't


           16              know if you are aware of it, but in regards


           17              to the revenue they are redefining in


           18              Harrisburg what a nonprofit is as a


           19              charitable organization, and State


           20              Representative Robert Freedman from North


           21              Hampton, he is the chairman of the local


           22              government, and also he has a bill out there


           23              in regards to changing hospitals and


           24              colleges and so on from tax exempt to


           25              taxable properties, okay?  And also the






            1              Pennsylvania League of Cities is pushing a


            2              bill for the Johnstown flood money to be


            3              used for -- to decrease depravement's, also.


            4                      Now, I don't want to pick on the


            5              University of Scranton, but I looked into


            6              the Assessor's book and they have 135 tax


            7              exempt properties in the City of Scranton.


            8              That's a lot.  And I graduated from the


            9              University and I got a booklet and on the


           10              first page, second page, when you open the


           11              book they were bragging about that they gave


           12              $550,000 throughout the years to the city.


           13              That's unbelievable.  You know what I mean?


           14              Half a million dollars.  And do you know,


           15              you wouldn't remember this, but there was


           16              two urban renewal projects, actually, one


           17              was for the Mercy Hospital and the other was


           18              for the University of Scranton and how they


           19              received government money and yet they


           20              won't, you know, $550,000 for all of that,


           21              you know.  That's ashame.  So, I think you


           22              should get behind and look into trying to


           23              get these bills.


           24                      I also want to point out that PPL is


           25              tax exempt for 23 properties in the City of






            1              Scranton.  I don't know why, you know?


            2                      The one other thing I want to talk


            3              about is three years ago this month,


            4              Northeast Credit and Collection Agency got a


            5              three-year contract so it should expire this


            6              month.  Now, there is a Pennsylvania Act out


            7              there, Act 50, okay, that gives a deferment


            8              to people who are delinquent in taxes, and


            9              it's up to the council to pass an ordinance


           10              to the effect that would give them a


           11              deferment and they would have to abide by


           12              the deferment or like anything else you put


           13              a lien on the property, you know?  Because


           14              paying, you know, I had a lady come to me,


           15              like I told you, two weeks ago and she owed


           16              $856, she wound up paying $765.  That's a


           17              48 percent increase, okay, for one year's


           18              taxes and two years of garbage.  Now, that's


           19              almost like -- that's almost like stealing.


           20              Jessie James had a gun, cripes, but the fact


           21              is that, you know, again, these people just


           22              like Mr. Greco are paid to play.  Everybody


           23              that has contributed to Mr. Doherty's


           24              campaign, election campaign, I looked at the


           25              election campaign reports, and they have






            1              spent $10,000, $20,000.  Now, they didn't do


            2              that just to offset Mr. Doherty's cost for


            3              advertising, he invented that two months ago


            4              to get these contracts, and it's bad.  It's


            5              illegal.  It's corruption.


            6                      Now, only in America, only in


            7              America you have this great country where


            8              have you, where else you have like


            9              organizations like General Motors and Lehman


           10              Brothers where a CEO is paid millions and he


           11              runs the corporation to the ground.


           12              Scranton, he is not making $50,000, but he


           13              sure is dragging us to the ground with his


           14              debt.  What I'm getting at, I don't know how


           15              he can plug in $5.5 million into his revenue


           16              side of the budget when he is not even aware


           17              of what he is getting.


           18                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr. Quinn.


           19                      MR. QUINN:  And it's hearsay and


           20              what he is to doing is he is using the


           21              firefighters and the police union as


           22              scapegoats and blaming it on them.  Thank


           23              you.


           24                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.


           25                      MS. EVANS: Mr. Quinn, if I may just






            1              for a moment, I addressed the issue of NCC


            2              at last week's council meeting.  You are,


            3              indeed, correct that their contract expires


            4              effective December 31, 2008, however, one of


            5              the provisions of the agreement is that


            6              whether they are to be renewed or terminated


            7              they must be notified six months in advance


            8              of the termination date and that renewal


            9              obviously had to have occurred, but it never


           10              came before council.


           11                      At the same time, when the very same


           12              situation occurred in 2005, when NCC was up


           13              for it's first contract renewal that


           14              legislation was brought to Scranton City


           15              Council in December 2005 for it's approval


           16              and it was approved 4 to 1.  So I do find it


           17              unusual that this contract renewal was


           18              approved without any notice to or


           19              requirement of approval from city council.


           20                      MR. QUINN: Well, that just goes to


           21              show you the corruption.


           22                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr. Quinn.


           23              Bill Jackowitz.


           24                      MR. JACKOWITZ: Good evening,


           25              Council, Mr. President.  Bill Jackowtiz,






            1              South Scranton resident and member of the


            2              Taxpayers' Association.  Toastmasters'


            3              International states the person at the


            4              podium is the speaker, everybody else are


            5              the listeners.  Surprise, surprise,


            6              surprise, Scranton City Council approved a


            7              2009 budget by a 3 to 2 vote.  Not only did


            8              they approve the budget, they raised the


            9              budget by $101,000.  Total budget


           10              $78.6 million.  While the rest of the


           11              country, including moms and dads in Scranton


           12              are reducing their budget, the majority


           13              three decided to raise Scranton's budget


           14              higher.  Government Rendell reduced the


           15              state again by $128 million, froze state


           16              salaries and gave Al Boscov $35 million of


           17              taxpayers' dollars.


           18                      After witnessing last week's


           19              meeting, I have a better understanding now


           20              as to why Scranton has been distressed for


           21              16 years soon to be 17 years.  Last weeks'


           22              meeting proved to me that city council lacks


           23              leadership.  The chaotic voting and not


           24              paying attention by council members again


           25              speaks volumes as to why Scranton is in this






            1              financial situation.  Yes, it was very dis


            2              heartening to watch my elected officials


            3              having a catfight during the budget vote and


            4              council meeting.  What I found to be more


            5              interesting were the fact that it appears


            6              that the majority three based their vote on


            7              a conversation in a meeting that were held


            8              with Mayor Doherty, the mayor of a


            9              distressed city and also the mayor of a city


           10              who has no contract with the city police and


           11              fire department.  Millions of dollars tied


           12              up in arbitration cases and Court cases.  He


           13              also gave Al Boscov $3 million of taxpayers'


           14              money, and Stu Renda, the business


           15              administrator, you know, the person who


           16              received over $40,000 in raises over the


           17              last few years, Mayor Doherty is still or


           18              both quoted this week as saying they were


           19              not aware of the economic decline that was


           20              happening.  I have been speaking about the


           21              economy for four years.  Current census data


           22              throughout the first half of the decade, the


           23              slump in the economy touched nearly every


           24              community in the country, so what is up with


           25              Scranton leadership?  Good leaders take






            1              their responsibilities and step up, not make


            2              excuses such as, "I'm not an accountant," or


            3              "I never asked for the job.  Nobody wanted


            4              the job" or "I really did not know what was


            5              happening.  Did I vote for that?"


            6                      Thomas Jefferson once said that the


            7              people deserve the government they elect


            8              into office.  So true.  Last week I could


            9              not decide which was funnier, Plaxico


           10              Burress himself or council attempting to


           11              vote on a budget.  I choose Plaxico because


           12              council voting on a budget is serious


           13              business which affects every taxpayer and


           14              resident in the community.  Although,


           15              council members continue to laugh and


           16              snicker and made rude comments and walk out


           17              when certain speakers approach the podium.


           18                      Someone in the city government must


           19              accept the responsibility for the distressed


           20              city status.  High budgets, continue


           21              borrowing and no contracts and high


           22              unemployment.  I am not an accountant either


           23              nor have I ran for public office and never


           24              will, not qualified for the job.  More


           25              importantly, I do not need the job nor does






            1              anybody in my family need a job.  The


            2              distressed city law has been on the books 21


            3              is years, Scranton has been distressed 17 of


            4              those 21 years.  Long before the current


            5              crisis start would in the country, Scranton


            6              labore history, coal miner, railroaders and


            7              silk mills and garden industry, now we have


            8              boutiques.


            9                      Jobless number claims, unemployment


           10              rate 6.8.  Where?  Scranton/


           11              Wilkes-Barre/Hazelton, highest in the state


           12              again.  I visited Career Links office in


           13              Scranton, I also went to Labor Ready.  Truck


           14              drivers and production jobs available, $10


           15              an hour, $25,000 gross yearly salary.  Labor


           16              Ready, $45 and $50 daily, cash or voucher.


           17              You must provide your own transportation or


           18              pay for it.  Several waitresses and server


           19              jobs available, $2.89 an hour plus tips, but


           20              who can afford to tip anymore.


           21                      The new Right-to-Know law for the


           22              State of Pennsylvania goes into effect on 1


           23              January of 2009.  The Abington Council had a


           24              public presentation to inform the public on


           25              the new law last Thursday 4 of December,






            1              2008.  I would hope that the Scranton


            2              Council would do the same.  Considering that


            3              Attorney Greco had to spend an additional


            4              $25,000 because of two taxpayers in the City


            5              of Scranton, the new law assumes all record


            6              are public with few exceptions:


            7              Municipalities that refuse and be challenged


            8              in Court whereas previously the burden of


            9              proof fell on the citizens.  Now it falls on


           10              the municipality.  The only time that


           11              Attorney Greco would be needed would be


           12              after city refused to provide the


           13              information.  It's about time the State of


           14              Pennsylvania woke up and joined the rest of


           15              the United States.  Now, we can seriously


           16              consider reducing Attorney Greco's salary


           17              because workload will be reduced so his


           18              salary should also be reduced.  Makes good


           19              dollars and cents to me.


           20                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you,


           21              Mr. Jackowitz.  Ronnie Ellman?


           22                      MR. ELLMAN:  Ronnie Ellman,


           23              homeowner and member of the Taxpayers'


           24              Association.  I caught a cold feeding my


           25              squirrels in the backyard this week.  I went






            1              out there barefooted.  Well, I wasn't


            2              expecting to see Todd O'Malley or anybody


            3              from this obscene school board tell me why


            4              we are infested with KOZ's, but I guess they


            5              have their reasons.  You people back there


            6              just need to quit worrying about Attorney


            7              Greco.  Maybe our next incoming mayor will


            8              get rid of all of this unnecessary useless


            9              dead weight that's on the payroll this year.


           10                      I had a funny thing happen, I was at


           11              the grocery store Sunday getting some


           12              squirrel nuts, and a woman came over to me,


           13              real pleasant looking, and she said, "Are


           14              you the one I see?"


           15                      I said, "I be he."


           16                      And she said, "Why don't you people


           17              get off the mayor's back and why don't you


           18              say something nice once in awhile?"


           19                      And she just went up and down for


           20              about a minute and then she got her cart and


           21              disappeared and I was really happy to get


           22              rid of her.  I thought of all of these


           23              things to say when I was back in my car, but


           24              when I went up the next aisle here she come


           25              at me, looked like a big German tiger tank






            1              coming down and I said -- I said, "Why don't


            2              you come to the meetings, you know, and


            3              speak your peace about Mayor Doherty?"


            4                      She said, "I don't live in Scranton,


            5              I live in Dupont."


            6                      I don't know why she chewed -- you


            7              know, I used to walk around town and


            8              everybody was so pleasant to me.  Now people


            9              chew me out all the time no matter which


           10              side I take, which side of the argument I


           11              take, you know?  I hadn't figured out why


           12              she was on my case so bad, I mean, she was


           13              really mad, but I got up to -- I know some


           14              people out here might get mad at me, but I


           15              got up to publically say that I'm making a


           16              16,000 donation, and I have the money, to


           17              Mr. Doherty's campaign and I'll save


           18              taxpayers $2 million, just give me


           19              $1 million back, and I'll sign a statement


           20              that I'll use it right here in town and it


           21              won't go here there or wherever.  I still


           22              think is a terrible thing to do.  It's just


           23              throwing good money after bad.  It's just --


           24              you people just don't talk to people like


           25              come up to meet like I said last week,






            1              people who have a house that's paid for and


            2              can't keep it up.  It's just terrible that


            3              things like that happen in this country much


            4              less this city.  And it's happening all over


            5              the place, you know, we are getting into


            6              such tough economic times the city should be


            7              watching every penny and they are not.  They


            8              are just continual, waste every place you


            9              look around here there is waste, waste,


           10              waste.  You know, the streets could have


           11              been paved a year ago partially like we were


           12              doing.  They wait until the oil goes up and


           13              it's higher and the dickens, just everything


           14              is incompetence with his administration and


           15              it's, like I said, whether Mr. Doherty


           16              realizes it or not I'm not 100 percent mad


           17              at him, you know, I think he had a wonderful


           18              idea for a zoo.  I wish he would pursue it,


           19              and I'm for the library maybe not that


           20              expensive a thing to start with, but I use


           21              the library.  Every week I go there and Ms.


           22              Rosie and me, probably every week, they are


           23              wonderful.  There is not enough people use


           24              the library, you know.


           25                      But right across the street at that






            1              building, what is it, Adams, the high-rise


            2              over there?  I have talked to some of these


            3              little people they are so such sad stories


            4              over there.  It's just heartbreaking and


            5              there is people that can volunteer to help


            6              this city and they are not being taken


            7              advantage of.  They want to help.  I don't


            8              mean maybe volunteer absolutely for nothing,


            9              but they would work for the small salary for


           10              their time and all, and I think things like


           11              that would help the city greatly.  There is


           12              a huge volunteer force out there that we


           13              could take advantage of.  Thank you.


           14                      MR. MCGOFF: That you, Mr. Ellman.


           15              Pedro Gonzalez.


           16                      MR. GONZALEZ: Greetings, Council,


           17              and good evening to all in attendance.  My


           18              name is Pedro Gonzalez, South Side resident,


           19              and registered voter.  As one of the many


           20              Latino leaders here in this city I'm here to


           21              announce yet one more event that we are


           22              going to have, and we are going to have a


           23              Christmas event this time last year it was


           24              not done simply because we weren't prepared


           25              enough for it, but this year we are going to






            1              have a festival of the three Kings it's


            2              called in the Latin community January 6 is


            3              when we celebrate our Christmas, same as the


            4              Polish and the Russian nationalities.  So,


            5              with that said January 2 is when we are


            6              going to do it.  We are teaming up with the


            7              National Guard, excuse me, the Pennsylvania


            8              National Guard is teaming up with local


            9              leaders and local community organizations to


           10              fill some hearts with joy this holiday


           11              season for some of our local youth.


           12                      We are adopting children in the


           13              local area and South Side, West Side,


           14              whatever it might be, the individuals want


           15              to put the children's name on the list,


           16              12 years or younger qualifies you to be on


           17              the list.  Ten dollars or less is the cost


           18              of the gift.  The individual who adopts the


           19              child buys the gift, turns it into the drop


           20              off spot either wrapped or either way we


           21              would take care of it.  We have a couple of


           22              different drop off spots.  All of the person


           23              would have to do is just e-mail Gonzalez


           24              with a "Z", Gonzalezgiveagift@yahoo.com and


           25              someone will get back to that person and let






            1              them know how to go about it.


            2                      The location is going to be he


            3              United Neighborhood Centers and the


            4              Northeast Pennsylvania United Neighborhood


            5              Centers, the senior citizens on Jackson


            6              Avenue, 1004 Jackson Avenue, Jackson Street,


            7              excuse me, and again, the National Guard is


            8              hosting th is along with the United


            9              Neighborhood Centers, a couple of the


           10              different Latin organizations and the


           11              University.  Marywood has also come on


           12              board, the Red Cross, the Cancer Institute


           13              and many, many others will be there to help


           14              some of the kids that have fallen through


           15              the cracks, per se.  There is a lot of help


           16              out there for certain groups, certain


           17              organizations, a lot of people adopting


           18              families and so forth and so on, but we have


           19              come across certain groups and certain


           20              individuals that don't get any helps so we


           21              are trying to help with that issue.


           22                      I'm going to leave the flyer here


           23              for you guys, okay?  And please anybody is


           24              interested it is open to the public and it


           25              is a free event once again.






            1                      And again, if you want any


            2              information just send the e-mail to Gonzalez


            3              with a "Z" give a gift at yahoo.com. Thank


            4              you all so much.


            5                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr. Gonzalez.


            6              Sam Patilla.


            7                      MR. PATILLA: Good evening, Mrs.


            8              Evans.


            9                      MS. EVANS: Good evening.


           10                      MR. PATILLA:  And my belated


           11              condolences to the family of Jim Davis.  One


           12              quick question, Mrs. Evans, while I was


           13              standing back here.  When was the Home Rule


           14              Charter voted on the Recovery Plan?


           15                      MS. EVANS: In 2002.


           16                      MR. PATILLA: And the term for --


           17              when was it scheduled to end?


           18                      MS. EVANS: I believe it was


           19              December 31, 2005.


           20                      MR. PATILLA:  Thank you.


           21                      MS. EVANS: So technically the


           22              Recovery Plan has expired, although, I


           23              believe that the Pennsylvania Economy League


           24              is currently engaged and has been for quite


           25              awhile now in revising the Recovery Plan or,






            1              if you will, perhaps drafting another


            2              updated Recovery Plan.


            3                      MR. PATILLA: That would be put


            4              before the public for a vote?


            5                      MS. EVANS: That I don't know.  I


            6              haven't heard anything to that affect, no.


            7                      MR. PATILLA: The second thing I want


            8              to address is that I've worked in a couple


            9              of houses here in Scranton and I know there


           10              are a lot of older buildings here, a lot,


           11              mainly wooden buildings, and the electrical


           12              systems aren't up to code, you know.  This


           13              time of the year, you know, people have a


           14              difficulty in realizing who we are able to


           15              have so many fires, okay, and, you know,


           16              these homeowners don't have access to the


           17              money at OECD.  I know it's there that they


           18              could upgrade their electrical systems and


           19              upgrade their homes because the money is


           20              going to the malls and going to the


           21              500-block of Lackawanna, it's going to all


           22              of these other businesses where the people


           23              have the money to pay their own bills, but


           24              they are taking it from the pour and the


           25              economically distressed.






            1                      With that being said, I have also


            2              resided in communities where the local


            3              municipalities instead of always tearing


            4              houses down they invest in those properties,


            5              put them back on the tax rolls and rented


            6              them out.  The city became the landlord.


            7              Thus creating another source of revenue, you


            8              know.  There are more ways to produce


            9              revenue then selling TANS, than selling


           10              taxpayer owned properties.  You know, you


           11              don't always have to run to a lender or


           12              creditor with your hand out.  You can


           13              tighten up your own belt strings and you can


           14              pull yourself up and make necessary


           15              adjustments to your life-style that will


           16              benefit everybody, and I seriously think


           17              that it's time that this administration,


           18              even though hopefully they won't be in


           19              office long, takes into consideration about


           20              rehabbing some of these delipidated


           21              buildings and instead of always rushing for


           22              a bulldozer looking for a hammer and a nail


           23              so that they can bring these buildings back


           24              up to code.  Like I said, you have families


           25              up here who are undoubtedly still using






            1              fuses instead of circuit breakers.  You have


            2              people lighting up their -- putting up their


            3              Christmas decorations using extension cords


            4              instead of circuit breakers and surgery


            5              protectors, you know.  It's little things


            6              like that that go a long way in revitalizing


            7              this city and this area and safeguarding not


            8              only the individual but the homes next to


            9              them because a lot of these houses I have


           10              seen that have caught fire in this are took


           11              out the one next to them as well or two or


           12              three next to them.  You know, they go up.


           13              They go up like a match book, you know,


           14              because we are dealing with own homes here,


           15              we're d dealing with homes that aren't in


           16              code, you know, and instead of people


           17              looking to benefit themselves, you know, it


           18              might be a time that some of these people


           19              actually take a look in the mirror and ask


           20              themselves what can they do to benefit this


           21              city.


           22                      Now, I'm not going to spend any of


           23              my time up here going over this agenda


           24              because, like I said, it's going to get


           25              voted on anyway by you people in the back






            1              spoke ahead of me already stated.  The three


            2              to two or in this case three to one, you


            3              know, you don't listen to the citizens.


            4                      These give you 80 to 90 percent


            5              verifiable legitimate information this can


            6              be used to help this city back on track, but


            7              none of that information is taken into


            8              consideration.  You only -- certain people


            9              only look out for themselves.  They could


           10              care less about the City of Scranton.  But,


           11              like I said, hopefully in the next coming


           12              months these people who have been a


           13              detriment to this city will be shown the


           14              door so we can actually get people and


           15              elected officials and appointed officials


           16              within our government that actually look


           17              forward to helping the citizens of the City


           18              of Scranton.  You know, Detroit isn't that


           19              far from Scranton, and if they can find and


           20              lock up their perfect governor we can do


           21              something to change the things going on here


           22              in Scranton.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr. Patilla.


           24              Any other speakers?


           25                      MR. DOBSON: Good evening, Council,






            1              Dave Dobson, resident of Scranton,


            2              Taxpayers' Association associate.  On this


            3              NCC, that's kind of troubling.  Obviously,


            4              if we intend to ever correct their behavior


            5              or modify it we have to address it by


            6              June 30?  Janet?  Sherry?  So, in other


            7              words, say if there were to be kept on, but


            8              they would still need a notice of


            9              termination of the original contract and a


           10              list of modifications as to behavior that


           11              they are permitted to engage in, legal


           12              behavior; is that correct, by June 30?


           13                      MS. EVANS: Yes, but that has -- that


           14              time has passed.


           15                      MR. DOBSON: Right.  Right.


           16                      MS. EVANS: And so the opportunity


           17              won't be presented again for a New Year's.


           18                      MR. DOBSON: A few years?  Three


           19              years.  Oh, my God.  Well, my statement is


           20              please use all means to correct the behavior


           21              and the personal experience I have spoken on


           22              this before, no direct notice or bill was


           23              forwarded to the address concerned.  No


           24              attempt was made to contact the owner of the


           25              property, however, fines accrued, credit was






            1              reported and I feel they are irresponsible,


            2              ruthless, and applying the penalties they --


            3              the charges are excessive.  It's totally


            4              ridiculous and now we are stuck with them


            5              for three more years, and that's ashame


            6              because they aren't obligated to do anything


            7              to even contact people.  They are not even


            8              required, obviously, under the contract to


            9              send one letter that must be signed for by a


           10              responsible party on this bill, the bill in


           11              question, and nobody ever contacted me that


           12              a bill was owed.  It was missed in the


           13              closing of my house.  Now, some people do


           14              know that they owe a back tax bill or


           15              whatever, but this went on for two years and


           16              I finally found out about it and went down


           17              and paid it irregardless of whether it's


           18              paid the report is still on my credit


           19              report.  That was paid in '04.  It's '08.


           20              The end of '08.  It's almost '09, so I'm


           21              going to try and contact them and take my


           22              credit report over there and hopefully,


           23              hopefully they will be more cooperative as


           24              to removing that.


           25                      Tax exempts.  Whatever happened to






            1              the bill for the states to subsidize cities


            2              for tax exempt, was that like a 1050 or 1080


            3              or something like that?  Whatever happened


            4              to that, did that just die along the road


            5              somewhere?


            6                      MS. EVANS: I don't know that it's


            7              dead.  It hasn't been approved as yet.  It


            8              certainly can come before the legislature,


            9              again, in 2009.


           10                      MR. DOBSON: And my suggestion on the


           11              Recovery Plan is let's put it up to another


           12              vote and try and straighten out some of the


           13              things, we see enough shortcomings, and


           14              these fire and police contracts should be


           15              settled.


           16                      On a different note, I would just


           17              like the opportunity to get this out, I'll


           18              try to be brief.  In October Bank of America


           19              received 15 billion under the troubled


           20              assets recovery program.  Three weeks later,


           21              the Wall Street Journal recorded Bank of


           22              America was finally starting to invest it's


           23              windfall.  That's the good news.  The bad


           24              news is almost half of the money went to


           25              China less than a month after the federal






            1              government felt the Bank of America begging


            2              with it's $15 million the bank invested


            3              seven billion to buy stock in China


            4              Construction Bank.  Isn't that a gasp.


            5              That's mighty nice of them.  Well, hopefully


            6              with the new elections, and I wish that


            7              politicians would get on the QT and would


            8              see something better.  That was just a


            9              little, you know, well, you could find it


           10              amusing, but I guess if you were a banker it


           11              would be.


           12                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr. Dobson.


           13                      MS. SCHUMACHER: Marie Schumacher,


           14              resident and member of the Taxpayers'


           15              Association.  I want to start tonight by


           16              expressing my disappointment with Council's


           17              comportment last week during what should


           18              have been budget deliberations.  I sensed


           19              there was more concern about the clock than


           20              taxpayers' pockets books.  My disappointment


           21              and concern changed to embarrassment a few


           22              days later when I saw in print that despite


           23              each itemized budget adjustment being voted


           24              on separately members weren't sure what they


           25              are passed.  Very sad.






            1                      A phrase frequently heard in this


            2              chamber is, "Mrs. Garvey, would you."


            3                      Usually this phrase is followed by a


            4              request that a letter be sent action by one


            5              or another of the city departments or a


            6              request for information.  What we, the


            7              taxpayers, rarely hear is whether the


            8              required actions have been accomplished or


            9              information supplied.  So tonight I am


           10              requesting council introduce and pass a


           11              motion to require the Clerk's Office to


           12              maintain a log of outgoing letters and calls


           13              that will also reflect the posting of the


           14              date the response is received and a file of


           15              the responses being maintained for review by


           16              citizens.


           17                      Now, with the permission of the


           18              chair, I would like to address questions to


           19              members with the request for concise


           20              responses during my allotted time.  First to


           21              anyone, whatever became of my request for an


           22              ordinance requiring pools be maintained?  Is


           23              there something I need to do?  There is


           24              absolutely no ordinance requiring pools be


           25              maintained.






            1                      MR. MCGOFF: Pool -- I'm sorry?


            2                      MS. SCHUMACHER:  Pools.  Swimming


            3              pools.  They don't have to have operating


            4              filters or anything, they can be allowed to


            5              go and deteriorate and smell and attract all


            6              kinds of things.


            7                      MS. GATELLI:  That's not true.


            8              That's not true.  That's a health matter,


            9              and I have a sent inspectors to homes and


           10              the pools were drained immediately.


           11                      MS. SCHUMACHER:  Well, that's not


           12              true in every case and I think that's why we


           13              need an ordinance.


           14                      MS. GATELLI:  It's under the BOCA


           15              Code.  I mean, it falls under the BOCA Code.


           16                      MS. SCHUMACHER: Again, to anyone,


           17              whatever became of my request to require


           18              sidewalks whenever a new residence is built?


           19              Why do we continue to force people,


           20              especially disabled people, out into roads


           21              and put the burden on the taxpayer and/or


           22              the taxpayers to go back and put curbs and


           23              sidewalks in when a property is being built?


           24              There should be a requirement and the


           25              ordinance has already been drafted and






            1              apparently voted down back in about 1993.  I


            2              still have it at home if anybody would like


            3              to look at that.


            4                      A question to Mrs. Gatelli, why did


            5              you include a mere $120,000 of revenue in


            6              next year's budget when you previously said


            7              a rental property registration fee would


            8              produce a million and a half dollars?


            9                      MS. GATELLI: Because I don't think


           10              it will be complete in one year, so I didn't


           11              want to over estimate the revenue.


           12                      MS. SCHUMACHER:  That's 8,000


           13              properties is a far cry from what the total


           14              is, but okay.  Also, for Mrs. Gatelli, well,


           15              you said you don't have any idea when we are


           16              going to be get an audit, right, for 2007?


           17                      MS. GATELLI:  No, I did ask Mrs.


           18              Garvey if anything new came this week and it


           19              hasn't.


           20                      MS. SCHUMACHER: Maybe you could


           21              contact the auditors and get a new date.


           22                      MS. GATELLI: Mrs. Garvey has been


           23              calling.


           24                      MS. SCHUMACHER: Question to Mrs.


           25              Fanucci, since the equipment that






            1              Alexander's Salon was supposed to buy for


            2              their not yet existent fitness center and


            3              medical spa with the city's quarter-million


            4              dollar loan, that would also serve as a


            5              taxpayers' collateral, please tell us how


            6              much of that quarter million dollars has


            7              been drawn down?


            8                      MS. FANUCCI: I have no idea.


            9                      MS. SCHUMACHER: Could you find out


           10              for next week?


           11                      MS. FANUCCI: Yeah, I can, but I


           12              certainly don't have the accounts with me


           13              now.


           14                      MS. SCHUMACHER:  Well, I asked last


           15              week and all of my questions were ignored


           16              last week, so I thought maybe during this


           17              week you would have found out, but I would


           18              appreciate --


           19                      MS. FANUCCI: Well, you sat -- my


           20              question was you sat with OECD for two and a


           21              half hours.  I thought all of your questions


           22              were answered.


           23                      MS. SCHUMACHER: When did I sit them


           24              for two and half hours.


           25                      MS. FANUCCI: Not long ago.






            1                      MS. SCHUMACHER: I did not.  I have


            2              not been in OECD --


            3                      MS. FANUCCI: Well, that's what I was


            4              told.  So I assumed all your questions were


            5              answered and you were just coming here to


            6              make it --


            7                      MS. SCHUMACHER: Well, you are wrong.


            8              I haven't been there since -- the only


            9              reason I have been there is for a


           10              redevelopment meeting and I have not had any


           11              contact since.


           12                      MS. FANUCCI: Well, I assumed that --


           13                      MS. SCHUMACHER: -- this summer.


           14                      MS. FANUCCI: Your requests are


           15              there, also.  You had sent them in to OECD,


           16              also, so --


           17                      MS. SCHUMACHER:  Question, Mrs.


           18              Gatelli -- let me finish?  Council passed a


           19              resolution the mayor provide city forester


           20              Tony Santolli with sufficient funds to


           21              remove the most dangerous trees in the city,


           22              how much has the mayor provided?


           23                      MS. GATELLI:  This year there will


           24              be $35,000.  I don't know what's remaining


           25              in last year's budget.






            1                      MS. SCHUMACHER:  This year, 2008.


            2                      MS. GATELLI: 2009 there will be 35.


            3              I don't know what's remaining in 2008.


            4                      MS. SCHUMACHER: I'll save the rest


            5              of my questions for next week.  Thank you


            6              very much.


            7                      MR. MCGOFF:  Thank you, Mrs.


            8              Schumacher.


            9                      MR. GERVASI: Good evening, City


           10              Council, Dave Gervasi, firefighter,


           11              homeowner.  I was watching the beginning of


           12              the council meeting at home and I was


           13              compelled to come down here, I believe it


           14              was a conversation Mrs. Fanucci with


           15              Mr. Spindler.  I just want to make something


           16              really clear that, you know, what you were


           17              describing how the city has to sue us back


           18              when we sue them, that's not exactly how it


           19              works, so I just want everybody to be aware


           20              of the accuracy of it and, please, MR.


           21              Minora, if I'm saying anything inaccurate by


           22              all means jump in and correct me, if you


           23              would.  How this operates between police,


           24              firefighters, state troopers with the state


           25              and correction officers, there is law called






            1              Act 111.  Act 111 was passed I believe in


            2              the late 50's, early 60's, it's a


            3              constitutional amendment that was


            4              overwhelming approved by state voters, and


            5              we don't sue the city or the city doesn't


            6              sue us, the law defines how we negotiate if


            7              we reach an impasse how it's taken care of.


            8              And what happens is after the Recovery Plan,


            9              in our case, after the Recovery Plan, by


           10              were lied to when we were told by Director


           11              Hayes over and over again that the way to do


           12              a Recovery Plan is to get all parties


           13              involved to formulate a plan.  We were lied


           14              to, and if he says I'm wrong he can come


           15              right here and I will tell you he lied to


           16              me.


           17                      MS. FANUCCI:  You asked to put it on


           18              the ballot.  It was voted on, right?  I


           19              mean, that was one of your things; right?


           20                      MR. GERVASI:  Yes, we did.


           21                      MS. FANUCCI: Right.  I remember that


           22              from just watching the meetings.


           23                      MR. GERVASI: Right, and then the


           24              mayor did a brilliant political maneuver and


           25              he said to the people --






            1                      MR. DOHERTY: He did what you asked.


            2                      MR. GERVASI: -- and he said to the


            3              people of the City of Scranton that he would


            4              raise their taxes if we didn't pass the


            5              Recovery Plan.


            6                      MS. FANUCCI: Right.


            7                      MR. GERVASI:  With that said, the


            8              reason why we weren't part of the Recovery


            9              Plan when we were told we were supposed to


           10              be and were not, once the Recovery Plan was


           11              released we looked at it and we realized


           12              there was a lot of illegal things within the


           13              Recovery Plan under labor law that we had no


           14              right whatsoever to give you up and we are


           15              not going to give up on it.  Things as the


           16              mayor has sold discretion to determine


           17              whether me or any of my members are injured


           18              in the line of duty instead of a doctor.


           19              That's spelled out in the Recovery Plan.


           20              Things that would potentially violate our


           21              seniority rights.  All of those things were


           22              in the Recovery Plan and to us they were


           23              illegal.


           24                      We sat down after the Recovery Plan


           25              was released and we had our first






            1              negotiation session.  We were handed a piece


            2              of paper that said if we were killed in the


            3              line of duty our widows and our orphans


            4              would lose their health care benefits.  At


            5              that point, obviously, everything fell


            6              apart.  At that point you reach an impasse.


            7              Either the city or the union files for


            8              arbitration under Act 111, which is the law


            9              and the process in how you take care of


           10              these situations, we filed because we had an


           11              impasse.  I believe it was the city and us


           12              together at that point and we realized we


           13              are not going anywhere with this.  We went


           14              to arbitration and the arbitrator came out


           15              with a decision and the city decided to


           16              appeal it.  It's been in appeals and in


           17              arbitration for almost five years.  Legal


           18              expenses have -- are way over $1 million


           19              unlike what some people said here tonight,


           20              and what makes this whole process so absurd


           21              is that we already arbitrated our 2008 and


           22              beyond contract before the 2002 and 2007


           23              contract was even decided by the Courts.


           24                      At that point we got together in


           25              early October before the next arbitration






            1              case comes out to decide our future we


            2              decided to negotiate.  We negotiated, we


            3              shook hands, and we had a deal, a tentative


            4              deal.  The city reneged on that.


            5                      Now, the point I'm trying to make


            6              is, I mean, 20/20 is hindsight.  We have


            7              been coming here forever saying that the


            8              mayor is trying to break the unions.  It has


            9              nothing to do with finances because frankly


           10              they have been lying for seven years about


           11              the city's finances.


           12                      MS. FANUCCI: Dave, but this isn't --


           13                      MR. GERVASI: Mrs. Fanucci, I don't


           14              have much time and I will -


           15                      MS. FANUCCI: Oh, I'm sorry.


           16                      MR. GERVASI: Thank you very much.


           17              They have lied about the city's finances for


           18              seven years and just think about this, when


           19              he says -- when they come here, the


           20              Pennsylvania Economy League and the mayor


           21              says they need 44 million dollars and


           22              10 minutes later Mrs. Gatelli makes one


           23              statement and it ends up being $10 million,


           24              the city has been running operating budget


           25              surpluses since 1999, two years before the






            1              mayor took office, they have been lying,


            2              that's the big lie so they could borrow


            3              money, that's the big lie so they could


            4              raise taxes unnecessarily and that's the big


            5              lie so they don't have to give the police


            6              and firemen any money, no cost of living


            7              adjustments.  How can you possibly listen to


            8              the mayor and just keep defending him when


            9              he says one month a few years ago I have to


           10              lay off 30 clerical employees that make


           11              $25,000 a year and a month later they hire


           12              20 thirty-some thousand dollar a year


           13              employees?  It's been --


           14                      MS. FANUCCI: You asked me a


           15              question.  You want me to answer the


           16              question?


           17                      MR. GERVASI:  After I'm done,


           18              please.


           19                      MS. FANUCCI: Okay.  Go ahead.


           20                      MR. GERVASI: So you have to listen,


           21              you got to see the numbers, you have to read


           22              the independent audits and you have to


           23              realize what's been going on.  Just to prove


           24              our point completely this time, we just


           25              negotiated with them and everything that had






            1              to do with raises and health care which


            2              costs us more, we got cost of living


            3              adjustments to cover all of the years that


            4              we haven't had a raise, that's all they came


            5              out to.  The state and the city approved it.


            6              They are still crying poverty, still saying


            7              they have deficits, but they approved


            8              everything that had monetary value.  When


            9              they reneged on our contract, on our


           10              agreement, it had nothing to do with money.


           11              It had no monetary value at all.  They


           12              wanted that same language from seven years


           13              ago that breaks the union and takes away all


           14              of our labor rights.


           15                      So, I mean, you must realize what's


           16              going on here.  It has nothing to do with


           17              money.  It never had anything to do with


           18              money.  It only had to do with busting the


           19              unions and now it's proven.


           20                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr. Gervasi.


           21                      MS. FANUCCI: Well, I do want to say


           22              some things, if I can.  Dave, I think you


           23              misunderstand what I'm saying, I understand


           24              what you are saying about the unions, I


           25              understand stand what you are saying, but to






            1              me this is not something that's not


            2              reasonable.  You are going to do what you


            3              need to do and, of course, the city is doing


            4              what they need to do.  What Les was saying


            5              and what I was responding to was his answer


            6              to say they should not do anything.  Well,


            7              you have Jennings, you have lawyer, you are


            8              not going to get rid of all of the city


            9              lawyers and say, "Okay, you are right," I


           10              mean, that's not how it goes.  You guys have


           11              been at this for a long time.  I know you


           12              are not backing down and obviously the city


           13              isn't backing down because we have been in


           14              this way too long.  It's ridiculous.


           15                      MR. GERVASI: We did back down.


           16                      MS. FANUCCI: We agree all up here


           17              all the time we want contracts.  We are very


           18              --it bothers us on a daily basis that our


           19              police and fire do not have contracts.


           20              That's not what I was saying.  What I was


           21              saying was it at the point now where that is


           22              not going to happen.  You are not going to


           23              see one person and until you guys sit in the


           24              room and decide what is going to happen and


           25              the deal was shook on, I understand that,






            1              and I understand that they agreed on it, but


            2              I also want to say that from what I'm


            3              hearing it was PEL again who came back and


            4              said that that's not acceptable, not the


            5              city, and it was about the manning.  If I'm


            6              recalling it's something about manning.


            7                      MR. GERVASI:  Who is in charge, PEL


            8              or the mayor?


            9                      MS. FANUCCI: Well, right now PEL is


           10              in charge, unfortunately.  Unfortunately if


           11              we want to get out of distressed city PEL is


           12              the one who is making the calls.


           13                      MR. GERVASI: Nothing they can do.


           14                      MS. FANUCCI: Well, then that's why


           15              you have lawyers and that's why the city has


           16              lawyers and that's why we have been in this


           17              fight for so long.  Nobody is going to, you


           18              know, give up so that was my point.


           19                      MR. GERVASI: -- the mayor did, not


           20              us.


           21                      MR. MCGOFF:  Thank you.  Anyone


           22              else?


           23                      MS. HUMPHRIES: I always use visuals.


           24              I want to say hello to everybody.  I hope


           25              you all have happy holidays and everybody






            1              conforms.  I want to thank Mrs. Burnes


            2              publically and Sister Adrian for the


            3              kindness and everything that they have done


            4              for us and me as a person living on limited


            5              income.  As I stood three and a half hours


            6              in line or I sat, I met with a man that was


            7              a veteran, and he was very patient and he


            8              was a true solider.  He was from West Side,


            9              and he had that little thing that goes by


           10              the side of him because he couldn't talk, I


           11              call it like a mouth organ, and we had a


           12              conversation, and he said he was there at


           13              the poor house, Sister Adrian is like Jesus


           14              Christ, she multiplies the fishes, everyone


           15              for everybody, but I never see some of the


           16              city council members there helping, but they


           17              might be with their family or at hospitals


           18              or something, so I don't want to judge them,


           19              all right?  But in this conversation, I


           20              don't have the papers right now, we were


           21              writing back and forth on a Head Start


           22              paper, and then he told me that his leg was


           23              blown off, he stopped on a mine, one of


           24              those mine bombs, his friend -- and his


           25              friend being killed.  We have to do






            1              something and help Sister Adrian and Mrs


            2              Burnes.


            3                      He then tells me is a retired


            4              Scranton fireman and these men go out to my


            5              heart.  I love them.  We got the good, the


            6              bad and the ugly with the fire -- not the


            7              fire department, the police department, so I


            8              wanted to ask you if they could have just a


            9              place for our servicemen and our seniors


           10              that everybody would be able to help or even


           11              at the Wattress Army so these men that are


           12              disabled are servicemen, not only my


           13              servicemen, would have to wait for three and


           14              a half hours so they could be bring the


           15              baskets and help these people because he


           16              fought in the Philippine war. That's number


           17              one.


           18                      Number two, the true liberty of


           19              human society does not consist in their


           20              remand to doing what he pleases for this was


           21              simply end torment and confusion and bring


           22              out to overthrow of the state, but rather


           23              than it treat and injunction of the civil


           24              laws, how many more cases conform to the


           25              restrictions of the internal law.






            1                      Being on an limited income and the


            2              miracle that had happened, everybody like


            3              kind of dusted it on the table, it was given


            4              here to city council and Mrs. Evans brought


            5              it back and there was burns in it and I knew


            6              it wasn't her that somebody is trying to


            7              pull her down.  Over the years they had this


            8              convention, and I talked to the FBI a few


            9              days before that, and he says the people and


           10              what they did he could get them on


           11              negligence and I said, well, I think


           12              obstruction of justice, rape, break-ins is


           13              more that has not been fulfilled and what


           14              they have done since 1982 up until present


           15              because what I wear, what I dress, and who I


           16              am dealing with.  Well, I met Abdulla


           17              Abdulla, I met with other people, I told


           18              them my plea, it was the plea for peace and


           19              abortion, euthanasia, capital punishment,


           20              beheadment, peace but I don't have peace


           21              because it was transpired and I informed him


           22              by name and what has transpired here.  He is


           23              sending people here to help me.


           24                      Today I called the Legal Aid and


           25              they said because I'm 60 they were really






            1              kind this time because they got over


            2              $5 million different places and they didn't


            3              help me, I went to the civil rights, called


            4              the civil rights, and they refused me to


            5              find out at higher places they were not


            6              aware of what's happening in the City of


            7              Scranton to me.  I can't blame everyone.  I


            8              do forgive everyone, but I will see that


            9              they are put where they are supposed to be.


           10                      Mrs. Evans, over the months and over


           11              the years I brought a basket of articles to


           12              the police department, a basket of articles


           13              to the fire department and a basket of holy


           14              articles to the Scranton Times.  They


           15              wondered why I did it and I'll tell you why


           16              I did it.  It was too weed out who was


           17              honest, and who is go to call me and thank


           18              me and who is going to return them, and the


           19              fire department I did get my stuff back.


           20              Mrs. Evans, Mr. DiBileo when I opened that


           21              x-ray and I seen my mother's picture in it,


           22              Mrs. Evans, if anybody should be a mayor it


           23              should be you or Mr. DiBileo and I hope to


           24              God everybody in the City of Scranton votes


           25              for you and you do become the greatest mayor






            1              or Mr. DiBileo that ever was in the City of


            2              Scranton.


            3                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Phyllis.


            4                      MS. HUMPHRIES:  And that's all I


            5              have to tell you, and one more thing, I


            6              promote chastity and my Bishop I love him.


            7                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.


            8                      MS. HUMPHRIES: God bless ya.


            9                      MR. MORGAN: Good evening, Council.


           10              My name is Lee Morgan.  The first thing I'd


           11              like to say is, you know, Mr. Gervasi came


           12              up here and spoke and my opinion, I think


           13              that everything he said was absolute the


           14              truth, okay?  I think that, you know, people


           15              can believe whatever they care to believe on


           16              what is said here and, of course, what you


           17              said Mrs. Fanucci, of course, you, also.


           18              But, you know, having come to council for so


           19              long I'd have to really say that the people


           20              have been mislead, but they have been


           21              willingfully mislead because they chose to


           22              follow a course that has lead this city to


           23              where it is today and that began here a very


           24              long time ago when Brian Reap was on council


           25              and Mr. Doherty was the finance chair and he






            1              decided that the best thing for this city to


            2              do, and that's when Jimmy Connors was mayor,


            3              so that's quite awhile ago, that the best


            4              thing the city could possibly do was borrow


            5              money off American Anglican through the


            6              Sewer Authority and then our brighter days


            7              were ahead of us.  And I just think that we


            8              have scapegoated the employees of this city


            9              for so long that the residents are mislead


           10              to believe after everything the mayor said


           11              and all of the maneuvering by all of the


           12              political people, whether it's the PEL or


           13              whoever it is, that this mayor has an idea


           14              to cause a rebirth for this city, but all he


           15              has really done is absolutely decimated this


           16              city single-handedly, well, not


           17              single-handedly because he has had a lot of


           18              help with council.  His appointees to


           19              council and the people that believed in his


           20              agendas, and they have really tore the heart


           21              right out of this city.


           22                      When we had a speaker come up and


           23              talk about renewing city properties, that


           24              idea is an old idea.  That was floated


           25              through this council long as, but I do have






            1              to say that I had one of my properties


            2              rewired.  I searched for a contract to come


            3              in here and do the wiring job in this house


            4              and almost everybody I called said they


            5              didn't want to come here and work.  This


            6              city was just too corrupt to come here and


            7              do any kind of contractor's work at all.


            8              They just had no interest.  They won't come


            9              here.  And now, you know, I have tried to


           10              hire a contractor to come in and wire


           11              another house I own.  They laugh.  They


           12              don't want any part of it.  They don't want


           13              to put up with the city's problems, they


           14              don't want to put up the inspection


           15              department, I mean, and the few people that


           16              might come they are going to charge you so


           17              much money to come here that really what it


           18              is legalized theft because you only get to


           19              pick from the contractors the city wants to


           20              allow you to use.  How is that?  If you are


           21              a registered electrician or a plumbing and


           22              heating technician, mechanic, whatever you


           23              are and you are licensed by the state why do


           24              they have to come here and get your


           25              permission?  Why do they have to come here






            1              and get your permission?  It's ridiculous,


            2              okay?  That's what been done to this city.


            3              We have had other people come up here and


            4              talk about the sidewalks.  I was in a


            5              program when I was just out of high school


            6              and we are trained to do all of the curbs


            7              and sidewalks in the city.  I think Mayor


            8              Hickey was the mayor then, they killed the


            9              program.


           10                      This city hasn't had no vision for


           11              rebirth and what's happened here is this


           12              council has really been a detriment to the


           13              city.  I mean, we have had just had


           14              discussions here about NCC.  Well, I don't


           15              know why we are not talking about the sewer


           16              authority rate increases that council just


           17              stepped back and let the mayor do whatever


           18              he wanted and we are going to talk about NCC


           19              and he is doing whatever he wants there.  I


           20              mean, this mayor is just rolling right over


           21              the top of you because you advocated your


           22              right.  I mean, you can call this a strong


           23              form of mayor government, but the truth of


           24              the matter is that this council needs to


           25              start legislating and sending this






            1              legislation that they create down to the


            2              mayor.  It needs to start going the other


            3              way and it's not.  Too many people are


            4              worried about taking care of themselves and


            5              who cares about anybody else when you can


            6              see it in the general condition of the city.


            7              The people don't even look up.  They are all


            8              terrified and we condemn tons of homes, we


            9              are all talking about how we are going to


           10              raise revenue, what are we going to do, what


           11              new tax are we going to come up with, what


           12              gimmick can we spend.  We still haven't even


           13              passed a dangerous dog ordinance that I'm


           14              aware of.  We still don't even know who we


           15              paid the snow storm of 2007.  Was it over


           16              million dollars?  Was it a million dollars?


           17              It was an awful lot of money.  We don't have


           18              answers to any questions and we are talking


           19              about freedom of information?  There is no


           20              information.  What information?  It doesn't


           21              behoove you to give it because it doesn't


           22              make you look good.  That's what happened to


           23              these cameras.  That's why this council


           24              chamber was shut down numerous times and


           25              people are left outside.  You can't look






            1              good.


            2                      MR. MCGOFF: Mr. Ancherani?  We saved


            3              you a spot.


            4                      MR. ANCHERANI:  Thanks.  Good


            5              evening.  Nelson Ancherani.  I just want to


            6              say that Mr. Gervasi speaks the truth and,


            7              Mrs. Fanucci, you mentioned lost cases, the


            8              police never lost a case, okay?  The fire


            9              lost one, but it's been overturned.  I don't


           10              remember when the city has ever filed a


           11              grievance against the unions, maybe because


           12              we live up to the contracts, they don't.


           13                      You said about backing down, we


           14              backed down greatly and when we sat down we


           15              sat down and we come up with things that are


           16              going back to the -- possibly going back to


           17              the bottom, shaking hands, and what happens?


           18              The city reneges.  They come back with their


           19              management rights.  We had 10 pages that we


           20              agreed upon and we ended up with 17.  They


           21              come back with their management rights.


           22              Firemen's award for 2003, 2007 crucified the


           23              fire department, crucified them.  The fire


           24              department lost 80, 90 percent of what they


           25              had.  The city wanted 100 percent.  They






            1              appealed.  The award that just came out,


            2              it's better than what we negotiated so that


            3              can give you an idea.


            4                      Awhile ago, I don't know when it


            5              was, but Ms. Moran, the Human Resources


            6              Director, was proud that the city settled


            7              100 mediations, union medications, contract


            8              violations.  For them to be mediated there


            9              first had to be violations of the contract,


           10              which there were.  Grievances were filed.


           11              Which they were, would have been filed.  And


           12              they go to arbitration or mediation.  How


           13              could Ms. Moran be proud that there would be


           14              100 mediations to settle?  A hundred


           15              contract violations.  That's what went to


           16              mediation.  That's not what -- not even


           17              counting what went to arbitration.


           18                      One prime example of contract


           19              violations where the city loss an


           20              arbitration with the American Anglican and


           21              now the taxpayers, every one of us, are


           22              stuck with a 56 percent rate hike.  We all


           23              suffer with that, and I go back to what I


           24              had.  Last week the budget was passed by a 3


           25              to 2 vote, again, council had a way to save






            1              money, at least a million and half, but shot


            2              it down, 56 of Mrs. Evans' 58 ways to save


            3              money because it wasn't brought up in


            4              caucus.  Lame excuse.  I don't know why Ms.


            5              Evans wastes her time trying to save money


            6              and help the taxpayers.  She has to know


            7              three of the five council members are going


            8              to vote against whatever she proposes.


            9              Anyway, the taxpayers thank you, Mrs. Evans,


           10              for staying the course, so to say, and the


           11              taxpayers do appreciate your concern.


           12                      Something good that came out of this


           13              budget will be the addition of an assistant


           14              zoning officer and two housing inspectors in


           15              a needed position that was added is one


           16              part-time animal control officer.  I see


           17              business administrator Stu Renda thought


           18              transferring $40,000 into the controller's


           19              office which will may for an audit to be


           20              done in the Single Tax Office confusing.  He


           21              isn't sure what the intent was since the


           22              city already budgeted 12,000, it's share of


           23              the audit cost with the school district.  I


           24              have to ask, how long has it been since an


           25              audit was done in the Single Tax Office?






            1              Maybe if audits were done regularly,


            2              $12,200,000 plus would not have been hidden,


            3              in my opinion, in a secret bank account.  My


            4              opinion is that that money was hidden for a


            5              reason, that being keeping the city in a


            6              make-believe distressed status.


            7                      I'm going to quote from a letter to


            8              the editor 12-8-08 by Mary Ann Wardell:  "He


            9              still has not settled with the firefighters


           10              or police unions and he blames them for the


           11              failure of the Recovery Plan."


           12                      Who knows how long money would have


           13              been gathering and accumulating earning the


           14              interest in the Single Tax Office if Ms.


           15              Vitali-Flynn didn't become the tax collector


           16              and find the money.  That's why 40,000 is


           17              needed for future audits, so that the


           18              problem never happens again.  I hope I


           19              solved Stu Renda's confusion of that


           20              subject.


           21                      Going back to the editions in the


           22              budget, it should be remembered -- could I


           23              just finish this?


           24                      MR. MCGOFF: Yes.


           25                      MR. ANCHERANI: Approximately nine






            1              new positions were created between 2002 and


            2              2008, and along with raises given to


            3              favorites this totals out to 15 million.  At


            4              the end of 2009, it will be approximately --


            5              it will be approximately 20 million.  And,


            6              Mr. McGoff, you get a "D", D-minus, for not


            7              doing your homework on the budget in


            8              slighting the pay raise for the deputy


            9              controller.  D-minus.  Let's do a better job


           10              next time.


           11                      MR. MCGOFF:  Mrs. Evans?


           12                      MS. EVANS: Good evening.  Although


           13              many Scrantonians are feeling the financial


           14              stress during the holidays season, there are


           15              many opportunities to celebrate the season


           16              at low or no cost events.  This past weekend


           17              I took my grandchildren to the Nay Aug


           18              holiday lights display which asks only a


           19              voluntarily donation and to a wonderful


           20              play, a children's play, at West Scranton


           21              High School.  The West Scranton players


           22              delighted children of all ages by their


           23              outstanding performance of Tolstoy.  Of


           24              course, there was also the visit to Santa at


           25              the Steamtown Mall and a tour of the






            1              beautiful light display that we can see on


            2              homes throughout Scranton, but I must admit


            3              my family's favorite by a landslide was the


            4              Christmas play at West High.  So keep your


            5              eyes peeled for announcements and find many


            6              free or affordable holiday events in our


            7              home town.


            8                      Back to business, it was reported


            9              today that ECTV will present live coverage


           10              of our city council meeting tonight


           11              following it's failure to provide live


           12              broadcasts since Scranton Today's


           13              termination in late June.  I recently


           14              learned that Scranton Today TV entered into


           15              an agreement with ECTV by which they would


           16              loan a key piece of equipment that will


           17              allow ECTV to broadcast live in council


           18              chambers.  The purchase of this equipment


           19              would have cost ECTV approximately $1,000


           20              and so on behalf of the viewers I thank


           21              Scranton Today TV for generously loaning


           22              this equipment free of charge.


           23                      However, I was not pleased that the


           24              public caucus with the presidents of the


           25              police and fire unions conducted prior to






            1              last week's council meeting was not


            2              broadcast.  This caucus was held to bring


            3              the truth to council and the people of


            4              Scranton regarding union contract


            5              negotiations.  Apparently, there was a pixel


            6              problem that seems to have been repaired


            7              immediately prior to the start of the


            8              council meeting.


            9                      Now, on a related matter, council


           10              received a memo from a member of the


           11              oversight committee which poses very


           12              important questions.  Attorney Minora I was


           13              told will be looking into the legal issues.


           14              Since Mrs. Gatelli wishes to open the budget


           15              in early 2009 to increase the mayor's


           16              salary, at such time I would like to propose


           17              an amendment to the budget to provide


           18              necessary funding for the oversight


           19              committee.  Such funds may be taken from any


           20              number of sources including TANS Series B


           21              which is highly overfunded, travel and


           22              lodging accounts or perhaps the additional


           23              millions Mr. Renda anticipates receiving


           24              beyond the 5.5 million from the tax office.


           25                      Next, I was very troubled to learn






            1              that the deputy city controller was denied


            2              her salary adjustment of $4,814 for an


            3              increase in work hours.  I do not believe in


            4              awarding raises to management while the


            5              police and fire have struggled without


            6              raises for seven years, thus, I can't agree


            7              to award the $486 raise to Miss Carey,


            8              however, I do believe that every individual


            9              should be paid for the hours he or she


           10              works, therefore, I move to have council


           11              solicitor Minora draft an amendment to the


           12              2009 budget which adjusts the salary of the


           13              deputy city controller to include $4,814 for


           14              extra hours worked due to the elongation of


           15              city hall work hours.


           16                      MS. FANUCCI: I'll second that.


           17                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?  All in


           18              favor signify by saying aye.


           19                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           20                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           21                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           22                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           23              ayes have it and so moved.  Also, I am


           24              pleased that some residents of Tripp Park


           25              will receive long needed relief to water






            1              run-off and flooding problems caused by


            2              several developers and the City of Scranton.


            3              The City was named as one of the defendants


            4              in a civil lawsuit which was decided in


            5              favor of the residents last week.  It seems


            6              the city as one of the defendants will bear


            7              it's own legal costs and those of the


            8              plaintiff.  It is also enjoined from issuing


            9              any further subdivision and/or lot


           10              development permits of any nature for the


           11              continued development of the village at


           12              Tripp Park by any person or entity until the


           13              storm water issues are addressed, abated,


           14              corrected and the corrected systems


           15              effectiveness is verified.    More troubling


           16              is the fact that residents and taxpayers who


           17              should be helped and protected by city


           18              government had to sue the city to receive


           19              relief and correction of a horrible problem


           20              they did not cause, a problem the city


           21              allowed to occur.


           22                      Equally disturbing are the flooding


           23              issues in Keyser Valley which may have been


           24              caused by another development as well as the


           25              numerous other residents who suffer with






            1              flooding of their streets, properties, and


            2              homes throughout Scranton.  For too many


            3              years it seems the city has turned a blind


            4              eye to them as well.  Very likely, it all


            5              comes down to dollars and cents and where


            6              and how they are spent.  Evidently, such


            7              issues have not been a priority for this


            8              administration.


            9                      Finally, I have citizens' requests


           10              this week.  Residents report that two


           11              vehicles, a dump truck and a green van, at


           12              the corner of my Mylert and Electric Street


           13              have expired registration and inspection


           14              stickers.  Please ask Mr. Oleski to address


           15              this and notify council as soon as possible.


           16                      And also, Kay, I'd like to verify a


           17              statement made earlier by Mr. Powell, I'd


           18              like to verify the planning commission


           19              approved the map and construction of


           20              apartment buildings at Keyser Terrace, and


           21              I'd like that information for council as


           22              soon as possible, please.  And that's it.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mrs. Evans.


           24              Mrs. Gatelli?


           25                      MS. GATELLI: I'd like to first --






            1              I'd like to discuss the holiday season.  I


            2              am one of the members of the SAAP team at


            3              West Scranton High School where we deal with


            4              many children that have drug and alcohol


            5              problems.  The holiday season is the time


            6              when we must bring that to the attention of


            7              the students, the seriousness of the


            8              consequences of drinking and driving.  One


            9              of our -- you see me every week wearing a


           10              pin that they have a contest every year, the


           11              Lackawanna County Drug and Alcohol


           12              Commission with students in the school


           13              districts and they pick a winner every year.


           14              This year the winner was from Carbondale


           15              Area High School and has since transferred


           16              to West Scranton High School and he was the


           17              winner, and I would like to give pins to my


           18              colleagues so that they can wear them during


           19              the holiday season to show that we are in


           20              support of no drinking and no driving and to


           21              be role models for our community and our


           22              students, so I will be giving these to


           23              everyone before we leave.  It's just a small


           24              very simple thing written on a notepad that


           25              says "Celebrate sober."  Pass it on and I'd






            1              like to congratulate Brian for his talents.


            2                      I'd also was going to request the


            3              things for Mr. Powell.  It seems to be a


            4              steady problem in that particular area and


            5              we need to really get it rectified.


            6                      The only one thing I have to say is


            7              I think it was Mr. Morgan in talking about


            8              not demolishing homes and rehabilitating


            9              them.  You know, when a house is condemned


           10              the people do have the ability to


           11              rehabilitate them.  If they don't have the


           12              money they can go to places where we supply


           13              funding, which is Lackawanna Neighbors and


           14              Neighborhood Housing Services.  We, as a


           15              city, give them block grant money to give


           16              out for rehabilitating homes.  Many times


           17              the homes are abandoned, many times they


           18              were owned by absentee landlords and they


           19              certainly are a menace to the neighborhoods.


           20              I would defy any one of you to go to the


           21              neighbors surrounding a home that's empty


           22              and ask them if they want it rehabilitated


           23              and I bet you the answer will be, "No, tear


           24              it down."


           25                      There are too much density with






            1              homes in the city, we don't have the census


            2              and the people living here to fill out all


            3              of these homes that we had many years ago,


            4              so the goal particularly in South Side where


            5              we are working on the Elm Street project and


            6              trying to revitalize our very troubled


            7              neighborhood, our goal is to reduce the


            8              density and to have the houses demolished


            9              and to make green space where we have made a


           10              park in honor of Mayor Connors.  Those


           11              people were asked specifically, "Would you


           12              like us to build single family homes here,"


           13              and they didn't want them.  They wanted a


           14              park so they could have a place to take


           15              their children.


           16                      So I am going to continue in my


           17              fight against blight and I will always


           18              recommend demolishing a home that has been


           19              empty and abandoned over a year.  If someone


           20              doesn't buy it in a year's time and try to


           21              rehabilitate it, chances are it's going to


           22              stand there for a long time, and I believe


           23              in demolishing and making extra space for


           24              the neighbors surrounding it.  Many of the


           25              home are homes where drug dealers operated,






            1              overcrowded with 30 and 40 people living in


            2              a house.  I know you all know about these


            3              houses, they are in all of you are


            4              neighborhoods and they are a menace and I


            5              will continue to represent the neighborhoods


            6              in that vein as long as I'm sitting up here.


            7                      I think that's all I have for right


            8              now.  I'll address some of the things when


            9              they come up on the agenda.  Thank you.


           10                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mrs. Gatelli.


           11                      MS. FANUCCI: Actually, I would like,


           12              Kay, if we can send a letter to Linda Aebli


           13              asking her about the Alexander loan,


           14              Alexander Day Spa and loan and what the


           15              money has been used for, if it's been drawn


           16              at all, and what the money has been used for


           17              that way we can help Mrs. Schumacher out on


           18              her request for that information.


           19                      Also, I want to piggyback a little


           20              bit on what was just said, on what was just


           21              said by Mrs. Gatelli about the homes.  When


           22              people come up here, you know, it's funny


           23              how I listen to week after week people


           24              saying about personal motives and yet the


           25              speakers for some reason do not have






            1              personal motives.  You get people speaking


            2              about absentee landlord problems and then


            3              when you are an absentee landlord you come


            4              up and you yell about being subject to that.


            5              If you looking to do wiring you are mad


            6              because you have to use certain people in


            7              the city.  It is what it is.  There are


            8              rules here.  I believe in that.  I believe


            9              that contractors should have an idea of who


           10              is working in the city.  I believe that that


           11              is part of being a responsible entity.  I


           12              mean, we want them to be responsible and be


           13              able to track them down and say, you know,


           14              they are -- we support what their job is.


           15              We support this.  Do I believe that all over


           16              the city people are not using, you know, or


           17              trying to sneak and do things on their own,


           18              that's fine, and but to come here and


           19              complain that you have to follow rules like


           20              every other taxpayer in the city is just not


           21              right.  I mean, yes, you do.  We all have to


           22              do that.  And I support those rules


           23              immensely.


           24                      I do want to say some words to my


           25              friend, Mr. Jackowitz, who always comes up






            1              with his wonderful anecdotes.  Would you


            2              have said catfight if it was two gentleman


            3              sitting up here?  I would say probably not


            4              use those terminology.  Yes, I disagree a


            5              lot of time with Mrs. Evans as she does I.


            6              We will battle it out, we will do what's


            7              necessary because that is our job.  We don't


            8              have to go by what you think is the


            9              appropriate way to do that.  Last week I did


           10              feel a little sabotaged and was very upset


           11              with the way that meeting was conducted


           12              myself, but I certainly don't like the fact


           13              that you used the word catfight.  That might


           14              be a lot of the problem that we may be have,


           15              you know, that you are seeing how I am as a


           16              woman instead of, you know, councilperson,


           17              so I didn't appreciate that in any way.


           18                      I will talk about in regards to


           19              Attorney Greco, people talking about cutting


           20              his salary for next year.  The good news is


           21              we won't be cutting his salary because we


           22              have so many projects coming in OECD he is


           23              goes to be very busy.  Bad news for the


           24              naysayers, but I have to say I'm sorry but


           25              we are going to move forward with or without






            1              you.  We want to city to do well, we want


            2              development, so let's keep that going and he


            3              is the attorney for OECD, so to me I want to


            4              really busy.  That's a good thing for me.


            5                      I have to say as far as last week, I


            6              will go back to that a little bit, it was


            7              not irresponsible of us not to vote on what


            8              was handed to us five minutes before, five


            9              seconds before voting.  Not to be able to


           10              sit down with the department heads and say,


           11              "How is that going to effect you?  What is


           12              this going to do?"


           13                      Travel and lodging might sound like


           14              not a big thing, but I'm not certainly going


           15              to vote on it unless I know what I'm talking


           16              money from and how it's going to effect


           17              everyone in that department.  That is what


           18              we do.  That is why I sat down with the


           19              administration, and that is why I sat down


           20              with the mayor.  It's very easy to judge


           21              other people's jobs.  I know if I were in my


           22              position and someone decided to cut out


           23              money from my job, my normal daily job, as


           24              all of you at home, somebody decides to cut


           25              out funding without asking you how it's






            1              going to effect your job and then later on


            2              they are going to complain.  They are going


            3              to complain a lot because you do what you


            4              needed to do.  So, no, I would never do


            5              that.  That is why I was upset, not because


            6              I didn't agree or disagree, but I certainly


            7              didn't have time to find that out, did I?


            8              So whether or not you liked the way we


            9              handled the budget, it would have been


           10              irresponsible of me to entertain any of that


           11              at a moment's notice when it came to the


           12              budget all of the people of this city and


           13              all of the taxpayers.


           14                      So on that, that is all I have, and


           15              I also want to say that there is lot to do.


           16              Mrs. Evans was right, there is a lot to do


           17              in the city, so take advantage of it, take


           18              your children out, see all of the wonderful


           19              sites there are and we are definitely moving


           20              forward and we want you to come with us.


           21              Thank you.


           22                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mrs. Fanucci.


           23              Just to reiterate some items brought up


           24              about housing, Lackawanna Neighbors is what


           25              I think does a pretty good job of






            1              refurbishing properties throughout the city.


            2              I know within the South Scranton itself,


            3              just in our neighborhood, my neighborhood,


            4              three homes have been refurbished through


            5              the Lackawanna Neighbors and they are now


            6              engaged in a fourth one on Hickory Street,


            7              and people that moved into at least the one


            8              house that was done according to the


            9              contractor got a real bargain because the


           10              work that was done was first rate and the


           11              material that was used was first rate and


           12              they are able to move into what had been a


           13              burned out house at a relatively decent


           14              price and are happy to be there and it was


           15              all done through Lackawanna Neighbors.  So,


           16              there is the refurbishing of the homes


           17              taking place.  There is a program in place


           18              that is does that and I believe it is


           19              working successfully to do that.


           20                      As far as I believe that there are


           21              some people that are actually -- that


           22              actually like living in the city.  I do run


           23              into them once in awhile and, you know,


           24              despite the fact that everybody, a lot of


           25              people want to criticize, there are people






            1              that actually like the City of Scranton and


            2              like living here and see progress taking


            3              place and it's ironic that someone brought


            4              up that contractors refuse to work in the


            5              city, I was sitting this morning with an


            6              electrical contractor after I finished


            7              running and he was getting to a job in East


            8              Mountain and saying that he had so much work


            9              that he could work 24 hours a day, that work


           10              in the city was plentiful and that he was


           11              satisfied with what was going on in the city


           12              and was hoping that it would continue.  And


           13              so I guess there are people out there that


           14              are actually happy to be here and thank you


           15              and let's move.


           16                      MS. GARVEY: SIXTH ORDER.  6-A.


           17              READING BY TITLE - FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 50,


           18              2008 - AN ORDINANCE - AUTHORIZING THE


           19              ISSUANCE AND SALE OF A FIVE MILLION


           20              ($5,000,000.00) DOLLAR PRINCIPAL AMOUNT, TAX




           22              SCRANTON KNOWN AS TAN SERIES A, AWARDED TO


           23              COMMUNITY BANK & TRUST CO; DETERMINING THE


           24              FORM AND TERM OF SAID NOTE; AWARDING SAID








            1              OF CERTAIN DOCUMENTS; AND DIRECTING THE




            3              TAKE ANY AND ALL OTHER ACTIONS AS MAY BE


            4              REQUIRED IN CONNECTION WITH THE


            5              ISSUANCE OF SAID NOTE.


            6                      MR. MCGOFF: You have Reading by


            7              Title of Item 6-A, what is your pleasure?


            8                      MS. FANUCCI:Mr. Chairman, I move


            9              that Item 6-A pass Reading by Title.


           10                      MS. GATELLI: Second.


           11                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question.  All


           12              those in favor signify by saying aye.


           13                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           14                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           15                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           16                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           17              ayes have it and so moved.


           18                      MS. GARVEY:  6-B.  READING BY TITLE


           19              - FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 51, 2008 -  AN




           21              SALE OF A NINE AND ONE HALF MILLION


           22              ($9,500,000.00) DOLLAR PRINCIPAL AMOUNT, TAX




           24              SCRANTON KNOWN AS TAN SERIES B, AWARDED TO


           25              COMMUNITY BANK AND TRUST COMPANY;






            1              DETERMINING THE FORM AND TERM OF SAID NOTE;


            2              AWARDING SAID NOTE; AUTHORIZING AND






            5              CITY OF SCRANTON TO TAKE ANY AND ALL OTHER




            7              WITH THE ISSUANCE OF SAID NOTE.


            8                      MR. MCGOFF: You have heard Reading


            9              by Title of Item 6-B what is your pleasure?


           10                      MS. FANUCCI: Mr. Chairman, I move


           11              that Item 6-B pass Reading by Title.


           12                      MS. GATELLI: Second.


           13                      MS. MCGOFF: On the question?


           14                      MS. EVANS: Yes.  TANS Series B is


           15              not repaid until the end of the each fiscal


           16              year in December.  As of October 31, 2008,


           17              TANS Series B in the amount of $10.5 million


           18              remained in Account No. 01401152404299 in


           19              full according to the controller's report


           20              dated November 18, 2008.  The city has no


           21              need to borrow this amount of money


           22              particularly in light of the tax office


           23              windfall for 2009 and the projected wage tax


           24              increases.


           25                      MS. GATELLI:  I just have some






            1              comments there.  I asked a few questions


            2              since that was brought up last week, and I


            3              was told that between January and March the


            4              estimate is 18.5 million that they will need


            5              until the tax revenue is paid.  The payroll


            6              for that time period is about 12 million and


            7              then as the revenue comes in it's set aside


            8              to cover the TANS payments at the end of the


            9              year and that's why it looks like there is


           10              money left in this account when, in fact,


           11              they need 18.5 between January and March to


           12              pay bills until the revenue starts coming


           13              in.


           14                      MR. MCGOFF: I received the same


           15              information that money is used and that as


           16              tax revenues are accumulated the money is


           17              put back in the account and then paid at the


           18              end of the year.


           19                      MS. EVANS: Well, that's an


           20              interesting explanation since the amount


           21              never moves throughout the year.  You can


           22              track it through the controller's office.


           23              Nothing goes up and nothing goes down.  I do


           24              agree that the first financial quarter is


           25              crucial, particularly since there is no tax






            1              revenue coming into the city by which it can


            2              pay it's bills.  Hence, the need for a Tax


            3              Anticipation Note, Series A.  Series b,


            4              however, has always been questionably high


            5              over the last seven years, and more than


            6              ever I don't see the necessity for this.


            7                      I am also aware that Mr. Renda has


            8              stated that he felt there would be no


            9              problems this year paying any year-end


           10              bills, very little to be carried over into


           11              next year and, in fact, you know, according


           12              to his comments made to PEL he had no


           13              concerns financially about the city paying


           14              it's bills, so I'll be voting no.


           15                      MR. MCGOFF: Anyone else?  All those


           16              in favor signify by saying aye.


           17                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           18                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           19                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?


           20                      MS. EVANS: No.


           21                      MR. MCGOFF: The ayes have it and so


           22              moved.


           23                      MS. GATELLI: Before you go into


           24              Seventh Order I would like to make a motion


           25              to suspend the rules and move 6-A and 6-B






            1              into Seventh Order.  Mr. Renda had a little


            2              bit of a concern that the two holidays fall


            3              in the middle of the week, both Christmas


            4              Eve and Christmas Day and New Year's and New


            5              Year's Day, and he would like to get this


            6              expedited as soon as possible.  We voted on


            7              it, we have no public here on it, so I don't


            8              see any need to not move it forward to


            9              Seventh Order.


           10                      MS. FANUCCI: I'll second that.


           11                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?


           12                      MS. EVANS:  I have one question


           13              though, by moving these two pieces of


           14              legislation into their final reading tonight


           15              you in effect clear the agenda entirely for


           16              next week as they would have been the only


           17              two agenda items, are you saying that we


           18              will not be meeting next week?


           19                      MS. GATELLI:  I'm not saying


           20              anything.  I'm just saying move them


           21              forward.


           22                      MS. EVANS: Well --


           23                      MS. GATELLI: If something comes


           24              down --


           25                      MS. EVANS: Well, nothing can come






            1              down because it would in Fifth Order and it


            2              cannot be -- it can't proceed throughout


            3              2008, so this movement tonight in effect


            4              removes all agenda items for the December 16


            5              meeting.


            6                      MS. GATELLI: I don't have a problem


            7              with that.


            8                      MS. EVANS: Well, I guess my question


            9              is are we meeting next week?


           10                      MS. GATELLI: Well, that's not on the


           11              question.  That's a different question.


           12                      MS. EVANS:  Well, it's a different


           13              question, but it's related to this matter


           14              because this would -- by keeping this in


           15              it's proper order that assures a meeting


           16              next week.


           17                      MS. GATELLI: Yeah, but it also


           18              prolongs it another week with all of the


           19              holidays coming up that they won't be able


           20              to expedite it and there might be a chance


           21              of them not getting the work done with


           22              everybody taking vacations for Christmas.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF: As of now, the meeting


           24              for December 16 is still scheduled and


           25              apparently if this is moved we can discuss






            1              the possibility of canceling the meeting for


            2              the 16th, but that has not been done yet.


            3                      MS. FANUCCI: And I seconded it


            4              already.


            5                      MR. MCGOFF: I know.  Anyone else on


            6              the question?  Motion to move 6-A and 6-B


            7              into Seventh order.  All those in favor


            8              signify by saying aye?


            9                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           10                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           11                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?


           12                      MS. EVANS: No.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF: The ayes have it and so


           14              moved.


           15                      MR. JACKOWITZ: Public comment.


           16                      MS. GARVEY: We can do that before we


           17              go into Seventh Order before I read them for


           18              public comment.


           19                      MR. MCGOFF: Yes.


           20                      MS. GARVEY: 7-A. FOR CONSIDERATION


           21              BY THE COMMITTEE ON RULES - FOR ADOPTION -


           22              RESOLUTION NO. 86, 2008 - AS AMENDED -












            1              LAW FIRM OF CARL J. GRECO, P.C. FOR LEGAL


            2              SERVICES INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO




            4              AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT ("OECD"), URBAN






            7              OF SURPLUS URBAN RENEWAL LANDS, TITLE


            8              SEARCHES AND DEED PREPARATION.


            9                      MR. MCGOFF: As Chairperson for the


           10              Committee on Rules, I recommend final


           11              passage of Item 7-A.


           12                      MS. FANUCCI:  Second.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?


           14                      MS. EVANS: Yes.  It's crystal clear


           15              that the predetermined recipient of this


           16              contract remains Carl Greco.  In what will


           17              be his eight years of part-time employment


           18              by the City of Scranton, he will have earned


           19              a minimum of $860,000, again, for a


           20              part-time position, $860,000.  Now, as I


           21              said, that's something that's quite


           22              evidently predetermined.


           23                      Many other things that come before


           24              council are predetermined.  As an example,


           25              the budget.  I didn't receive Mrs. Gatelli's






            1              amendments until last week's meeting so I


            2              had no opportunity to look at any of those


            3              and in the manner in which they were


            4              presented it actually was quite confusing


            5              because unless one has memorized the account


            6              numbers one would have to look those numbers


            7              up to identify what the positions were that


            8              were being, let's say, reduced.


            9                      MS. FANUCCI:  We did it in caucus.


           10                      MS. EVANS: Well, I don't know when


           11              that occurred because I didn't hear


           12              anything.


           13                      MS. FANUCCI: Because you weren't in


           14              caucus.


           15                      MS. EVANS: Was that the evening, the


           16              one -- I'm sorry, the second meeting of the


           17              year at which I was absent that could well


           18              be.


           19                      MS. FANUCCI: No.


           20                      MS. EVANS: As for my presenting


           21              something at the 11th hour, yes, I did,


           22              because I wasn't at council the prior week


           23              and --


           24                      MS. GATELLI: We're on Carl Greco.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF: This is on 7-A.






            1                      MS. EVANS:  Exactly, I'm on 7-A.


            2                      MS. FANUCCI: That's not on 7-A.


            3                      MS. EVANS: And I know in the past


            4              when I presented my budget two council


            5              members didn't even attend those work


            6              sessions well in advance of -- well in


            7              advance of the final vote on the budget.  In


            8              fact, statements were made like, "It's no


            9              secret I was never going to vote for this, I


           10              don't need to look at this."


           11                      MR. MCGOFF: Mrs. Evans, we're now on


           12              7-A.


           13                      MS. FANUCCI: Can we talk about the


           14              present instead of all of the past and stay


           15              on the question.


           16                      MR. MCGOFF: We are speaking on 7-A.


           17                      MS. EVANS: And I do understand that.


           18              Thank you.  There is a connection among what


           19              is pre determined on this council and what


           20              is predetermined in terms of legislation and


           21              proposal, so they are very interrelated.


           22                      MR. MCGOFF: Anyone else on 7-A?


           23                      MS. GATELLI:  Well, I would just


           24              like to say that I have all of the bills


           25              from Mr. Greco.  I am not one to give






            1              someone a contract of this magnitude without


            2              seeing what is being done on a monthly


            3              basis.  There are many projects.  OECD


            4              always had an attorney.  OECD always had an


            5              attorney that cost a lot of money.  I don't


            6              know why it's being picked up now, but when


            7              I worked for Mayor Connors there was an


            8              attorney in OECD and if we have to get his


            9              bills out we will have to get his bills out


           10              and check them because I recall them being


           11              the same amount, and when we were there


           12              there were two attorneys.  There was an OECD


           13              and an SRA lawyer, we had two of them.  And,


           14              you know, I just can't see not paying the


           15              bill because if we don't pay the bill he is


           16              only going to do what he did when DiBileo


           17              was here.  He went to the courthouse, he


           18              submitted his bills, and he got paid.  The


           19              Court is going to pay his bills if he brings


           20              them down there.


           21                      According to the list I have, he has


           22              already reached $117,000, so I asked last


           23              week to amend it to 125 instead of the 150


           24              that he requested, and the 17 out of the 125


           25              has already been expended, so in effect the






            1              contract is for 83. I can't see stifling the


            2              Office of Economic and Community


            3              Development.  We with Cooper's Seafood,


            4              Alexander's, The Electric City Roasting


            5              Company, Rejuvenescence, Blown Compliance,


            6              SECCUS, Weston Field, Whistles, Skyview,


            7              which is a multi-million projects, there are


            8              some large projects here that are being


            9              worked on.


           10                      I don't like to give out this kind


           11              of money either but, you know, if it's not


           12              him it's going to be somebody else and it is


           13              put out to bid, people are allowed to submit


           14              proposals and the same thing happened in the


           15              Connor's administration after a few years


           16              nobody submitted one because they were


           17              comfortable with the attorney they had, and


           18              he was familiar with all of the projects and


           19              it just made more sense to keep the same


           20              attorney on them.


           21                      It is a professional service and I


           22              don't believe it even has to be put out to


           23              bid, however, the mayor has agreed to submit


           24              the proposals, so I am comfortable with 125.


           25              I was not comfortable going up to the 150






            1              and I'm hoping that with the new


            2              Right-to-Know that his costs will come down.


            3              I understand that we might have to have a


            4              compliance officer for the Right-to-Know and


            5              maybe a particular person will be named in


            6              that position and we will be able to lower


            7              his Right-to-Know costs down.


            8                      They are valid.  I mean, I am not


            9              denying anyone has the right to see whatever


           10              they would like to see and they do have a


           11              right to that, so that's how I feel about


           12              it.


           13                      MS. EVANS: If I may, Mrs. Gatelli


           14              made a point, if it isn't him it's going to


           15              be someone else, and that is exactly the


           16              point.  No, it isn't going to be anyone


           17              else.  It's been specifically designed,


           18              tailor made for him and only him and for


           19              many years that contract was not bid, it was


           20              simply handed out.


           21                      MS. GATELLI: Oh, I agree with you


           22              there.


           23                      MS. EVANS: Mrs. Gatelli requested


           24              that it be bid.  Prior to her seated on


           25              council, myself, Mr. Courtright, and others






            1              asked that that position be bid.  That was


            2              never granted us.  Mrs. Gatelli joined


            3              council and then the mayor agreed to put it


            4              out to bid.  However, the conditions and


            5              requirements of that contract, as I said,


            6              were specifically tailor made to Mr. Greco.


            7              And I'll just give you one example of many,


            8              the first year it was put out to bid one of


            9              the conditions was that the attorney could


           10              not have sued the city.  That, in effect,


           11              the administration believed would eliminate


           12              the competitor at the at the time, although,


           13              that was proven to be wrong later.  In the


           14              mean time, since Mr. Greco did sue the city


           15              for the amount of money that he felt he was


           16              not paid, that requirement was removed from


           17              the contract because if it stayed, of


           18              course, that would have eliminated Mr. Greco


           19              himself.


           20                      So, yes there were two attorneys in


           21              prior administrations admittedly, one for


           22              SRA, one for OECD, however, the legal staff


           23              in the legal department has ballooned with


           24              this administration and the law firms hired


           25              by this administration has ballooned over






            1              the past seven years, so that though


            2              Mr. Greco does high quality work, I hardly


            3              think he is hard pressed to handle all legal


            4              issues for this city since, as I said, we


            5              employ so very many city attorneys, more so,


            6              we employ law firms to the tune of millions.


            7                      MR. MCGOFF: Roll call, please?


            8                      MS. GATELLI: I just want to say one


            9              more thing, Mr. Greco did not contribute to


           10              my campaign, just so that's out there


           11              because I know he they said that and I


           12              wanted to be clear that he has never


           13              contributed to my campaign.


           14                      MS. FANUCCI: He contributed to mine.


           15                      MR. MCGOFF: Roll call, please?


           16                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.


           17                      MS. EVANS:  No.


           18                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Gatelli.


           19                      MS. GATELLI.  Yes.


           20                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.


           21                      MS. FANUCCI:  Yes.


           22                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. Courtright.


           23                      (Mr. Courtright not present.)


           24                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes.  I hereby declare






            1              Item 7-A legally and lawfully adopted.


            2                      MS. GARVEY: 7-B. FOR CONSIDERATION


            3              BY THE COMMITTEE ON RULES -  FOR ADOPTION -


            4              RESOLUTION NO. 87, 2008 - AS AMENDED -


            5              APPOINTMENT OF GENE P. TESEROVITCH, 1541




            7              18504, AS A MEMBER OF THE SCRANTON HOUSING


            8              APPEALS REVIEW BOARD FOR A TERM OF FIVE (5)


            9              YEARS EFFECTIVE NOVEMBER 24, 2008.  MR.




           11              WHOSE TERM EXPIRED OCTOBER 18, 2008.  MR.




           13              24, 2013.


           14                      MR. MCGOFF: As Chair for the


           15              Committee on Rules, I recommend final


           16              passage of Item 7-B.


           17                      MS. FANUCCI:  Second.


           18                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?  Roll


           19              call, please?


           20                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.


           21                      MS. EVANS:  Yes.


           22                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Gatelli.


           23                      MS. GATELLI.  Yes.


           24                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.


           25                      MS. FANUCCI:  Yes.






            1                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. Courtright.


            2                      (Mr. Courtright not present.)


            3                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.


            4                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes.  I hereby declare


            5              Item 7-B legally and lawfully adopted.


            6                      MS. GARVEY: 7-C. FOR CONSIDERATION -


            7              BY THE COMMITTEE ON RULES - FOR ADOPTION -


            8              RESOLUTION NO. 88, 2008 - AS AMENDED -


            9              APPOINTMENT OF JOSEPH KAYES, 629 BIRCH


           10              STREET, SCRANTON, PENNSYLVANIA 18505, AS


           11              ALTERNATE NO. 1 MEMBER OF THE SCRANTON




           13              FIVE (5) YEARS EFFECTIVE NOVEMBER 24, 2008.


           14              MR. KAYES TERM WILL EXPIRE ON NOVEMBER 24,


           15              2013.


           16                      MR. MCGOFF: As Chair for the


           17              Committee on Rules, I recommend final


           18              passage of Item 7-C.


           19                      MS. GATELLI: Second.


           20                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?  Roll


           21              call, please.


           22                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.


           23                      MS. EVANS:  Yes.


           24                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Gatelli.


           25                      MS. GATELLI.  Yes.






            1                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.


            2                      MS. FANUCCI:  Yes.


            3                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. Courtright.


            4                      (Mr. Courtright not present.)


            5                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.


            6                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes.  I hereby declare


            7              Item 7-C legally and lawfully adopted.


            8                      MS. GARVEY: 7-D. FOR CONSIDERATION


            9              BY THE COMMITTEE ON RULES - FOR ADOPTION -


           10              RESOLUTION NO. 89, 2008 - AS AMENDED -


           11              APPOINTMENT OF ROBERT JENSEN, 401




           13              18505, AS ALTERNATE NO. 2 MEMBER OF THE




           15              TERM OF FIVE (5) YEARS EFFECTIVE NOVEMBER


           16              24, 2008.  MR. JENSEN'S TERM WILL EXPIRE ON


           17              NOVEMBER 24, 2013.


           18                      MR. MCGOFF: As Chair for the


           19              Committee on Rules, I recommend final


           20              passage of Item 7-D.


           21                      MS. GATELLI: Second.


           22                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question.  Roll


           23              call, please.


           24                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.


           25                      MS. EVANS:  Yes.






            1                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Gatelli.


            2                      MS. GATELLI.  Yes.


            3                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.


            4                      MS. FANUCCI:  Yes.


            5                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. Courtright.


            6                      (Mr. Courtright not present.)


            7                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.


            8                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes.  I hereby declare


            9              Item 7-D legally and lawfully adopted.


           10                      MS. GARVEY: 7-E. FOR CONSIDERATION -




           12              FOR ADOPTION - RESOLUTION NO. 90, 2008 -






           15              ENTER INTO A COOPERATION AGREEMENT, A




           17              AGREEMENT IN CONNECTION WITH THE


           18              REHABILITATION BY NORTH SCRANTON


           19              PARTNERSHIP, L.P. OF THE FORMER NORTH


           20              SCRANTON JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL LOCATED AT 1539


           21              N. MAIN AVENUE, SCRANTON, PA.


           22                      MR. MCGOFF: What is the


           23              recommendation of the Chairperson for the


           24              Committee on Community Development?


           25                      MS. FANUCCI: As Chairperson for






            1              Committee on Community Development, I


            2              recommend final passage of Item 7-E.


            3                      MS. GATELLI: Second.


            4                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?  Roll


            5              call, please?


            6                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.


            7                      MS. EVANS:  Yes.


            8                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Gatelli.


            9                      MS. GATELLI.  Yes.


           10                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.


           11                      MS. FANUCCI:  Yes.


           12                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. Courtright.


           13                      (Mr. Courtright not present.)


           14                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.


           15                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes.  I hereby declare


           16              Item 7-E legally and lawfully adopted.


           17                      MS. GARVEY: Mr. McGoff, before


           18              reading 7-F and G there may be some members


           19              of the public that wish to speak.


           20                      MR. MCGOFF: Yes.  If there is anyone


           21              that wishes to speak on 7-F or 7-G


           22              specifically please come forward.


           23                      MR. GERVASI:  Hello again, city


           24              council, I have one question.  Mrs. Evans,


           25              correct me if I'm wrong, but did I hear you






            1              say that TANS Series B was never used


            2              according to the controller?


            3                      MS. EVANS: The controller's report.


            4              We receive a monthly report and you are able


            5              to trace, for example, TAN Series A, TAN


            6              Series B.  It has a beginning balance and an


            7              ending balance for any given month of the


            8              fiscal year, and as of our last report, for


            9              example, the 10.5 million still sat in that


           10              account.


           11                      MR. GERVASI: So it doesn't show that


           12              it hasn't been used and then replenished,


           13              it's just been stagnant?


           14                      MS. EVANS: It doesn't show any type


           15              of use or replenishment, no.


           16                      MR. GERVASI:  Does anyone know, just


           17              two quick questions, does anyone know what


           18              the interest rate is when we obtained the


           19              TANS?


           20                      MS. EVANS: Two point something.


           21                      MR. MCGOFF: It was half below prime


           22              I was told.  I was told it was half below


           23              prime.


           24                      MS. GATELLI: 2.3.


           25                      MR. GERVASI:  While the money -- if,






            1              in fact, the money sits there all year long


            2              in that account is it in an interest bearing


            3              account?


            4                      MS. FANUCCI: Yes.


            5                      MR. GERVASI:  What is that?


            6                      MR. MCGOFF: I'm not sure.


            7                      MS. GATELLI:  I think last year got


            8              about one and a quarter.


            9                      MR. GERVASI: I mean, is it a wash?


           10              Is it less than what we're paying for it?


           11                      MS. GATELLI:  We make money.


           12                      MS. FANUCCI: We make money.


           13                      MR. GERVASI:  You make money?


           14                      MS. FANUCCI: Yes.


           15                      MR. GERVASI: Oh, okay.  Thank you.


           16                      MS. SCHUMACHER:  I don't understand


           17              the need for it either and I do go over the


           18              controllor's/ORS reports monthly and I have


           19              never noticed any action such as described


           20              by you, Mr. McGoff, or you, Mrs. Gatelli


           21              throughout the whole year, and I have been


           22              tracking surpluses, also and, unfortunately,


           23              I didn't now this was going to be moved


           24              tonight, so I don't have the precise


           25              figures, but at the end of August there was






            1              surplus in the amount of $7.7 million and I


            2              believe it was up in the last report which


            3              would have been for October, so if you take


            4              roughly $8 million for a surplus you take


            5              the $5 million for the TANS Series A and the


            6              5.5 that you are confident is the minimum we


            7              are going to get from the Single Tax Office,


            8              that is 18.3 which should cover the first


            9              quarter of the year without the TANS Series


           10              B because you will get some tax payments to


           11              makeup for that other $200,000, so there


           12              should not be a cash flow problem even


           13              without the TAN Series G.


           14                      MS. GATELLI: And you are confident


           15              that we are going to get the money from up


           16              the street because I'm not.


           17                      MS. SCHUMACHER: Off the street?


           18                      MS. GATELLI:  Up the street.


           19                      MR. MCGOFF: The Single Tax Office.


           20                      MS. EVANS: It's in the budget.


           21                      MS. SCHUMACHER:  You have it in the


           22              budget.


           23                      MS. GATELLI: Well, I know, but I


           24              don't know if we're going to get in the


           25              first three months.






            1                      MS. SCHUMACHER: Well, you must be


            2              confident.  I heard here earlier this year


            3              that it was going before the end of this


            4              year so --


            5                      MS. GATELLI:  Yes, well, we haven't


            6              seen it yet.


            7                      MS. SCHUMACHER: So that would just


            8              up the surplus, but, yeah, I would certainly


            9              think or hope we are getting it.


           10                      MS. GATELLI:  We are not going to


           11              lose money, we are going to make money.  You


           12              know, we are not going to lose money doing


           13              this.


           14                      MS. EVANS: But the -- if I may, the


           15              temptation is with so much money available


           16              to use money for other purposes which then


           17              cause greater debt overall.


           18                      MS. FANUCCI: It hasn't happened so


           19              far.


           20                      MS. GATELLI:  We never used the TANS


           21              for that.


           22                      MS. SCHUMACHER:  Temptation.  But


           23              anyway, I don't know believe that's needed.


           24              Thank you.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.  Mr. Quinn?






            1                      MR. QUINN:  Ozzie Quinn.  The debt


            2              is the debt no matter how you look at it,


            3              and that's how I look at it, and the fact is


            4              that it really concerns me when, Mrs.


            5              Gatelli, you say you don't know if that


            6              5.5 million is going to come down from the


            7              Single Tax Office when I addressed you


            8              before about it and you put it in the budget


            9              as revenue.  Shame on you people.


           10                      MS. HUMPHRIES:  I have two


           11              questions, two suggestions.  I know we are


           12              in financial disaster and everything, there


           13              is people getting raises and all, number


           14              one, I was wondering when our firemen and


           15              our policemen are going to get raises?


           16                      MR. MCGOFF: Phyllis, we are on 7-F


           17              or 7-G.


           18                      MS. HUMPHRIES: I don't have a paper,


           19              but I wanted to ask one thing, last night on


           20              the news they had about taxing the farmers


           21              and the question --


           22                      MR. MCGOFF: Phyllis, if it's not on


           23              7-F or 7-G you are not speaking.


           24                      MS. HUMPHRIES:  I don't have a thing


           25              thank.






            1                      MR. MCGOFF:  Sorry.


            2                      MS. HUMPHRIES: Could I ask one


            3              thing, the house?  The houses that you were


            4              saying about could they put pictures in the


            5              paper to show the houses that are being torn


            6              down, and I'll just let it go at that.  I'm


            7              sorry, I misunderstood.


            8                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.


            9                      MS. HUMPHRIES: But there is


           10              something to think about for the holidays.


           11                      MR. ANCHERANI: I just have to say


           12              about the TANS and I keep asking the


           13              question and I have never gotten the answer,


           14              why aren't they included in the revenue pie


           15              chart?  It doesn't reflect them.  It doesn't


           16              reflect the expenditure pie chart.  The


           17              percentages on the pie chart are higher for


           18              each slice, but yet it says nothing about


           19              the TANS.  Nothing.


           20                      Also, I believe that the payback


           21              would be 15,106,000.  I think that's in the


           22              range if I'm remembering correctly without


           23              the budget here.  Thank you.


           24                      MR. JACKOWITZ: Bill Jackowitz.


           25              Don't worry, Nelson, I never get answers






            1              either.  Anyway, in regards to this, the


            2              money that we earn on interest on this


            3              account is this money more than what we are


            4              going to be paying in the interest?


            5                      MS. GATELLI:  Yes.


            6                      MR. JACKOWITZ: Can you give me a


            7              figure?  We are all shaking our heads.


            8                      MS. GATELLI: Last year it was


            9              $125,000.


           10                      MR. JACKOWITZ: So we made $125,000


           11              last year?


           12                      MS. FANUCCI: Yes.


           13                      MR. JACKOWITZ:  Now, request


           14              permission from the president to ask a


           15              questions, if possible, to each council


           16              member?  Thank you, Mr. President.  Mrs.


           17              Evans, with this TAN money and everything


           18              else, would this help solve the distressed


           19              city status and will it help negotiate a


           20              contract with the police and fire, this


           21              9.5 million?


           22                      MS. EVANS: No.


           23                      MR. JACKOWITZ: Mrs. Gatelli?


           24                      MS. GATELLI: No.


           25                      THE COURT:  Mr. McGoff.






            1                      MR. MCGOFF: I don't know.


            2                      MS. FANUCCI: I don't know.


            3                      MR. JACKOWITZ: No.  So, in other


            4              words, it's not really going to help the


            5              city at all except we are going to have


            6              money sitting in an account that hasn't been


            7              moved or used in seven years; is that


            8              correct?


            9                      MS. GATELLI: Mr. Jackowitz --


           10                      MR. MCGOFF: It helps pay the bills


           11              of the city over a period of time when the


           12              tax revenues are slower coming in.


           13                      MR. JACKOWITZ:  Bills such as?


           14                      MS. GATELLI:  Payroll.


           15                      MS. FANUCCI: Payroll.


           16                      MR. MCGOFF: Health benefits.


           17                      MR. JACKOWITZ: That's all I'm


           18              asking.  I'm asking what and how is it going


           19              to help the citizens.


           20                      MS. GATELLI:  It's called a tax


           21              anticipation note.  Every governmental body


           22              has tax anticipation notes because you don't


           23              get the taxes in right away.  You don't get


           24              all of the property taxes.  Some people


           25              don't pay their property taxes until the end






            1              of the year, so you have to be able to


            2              function and run your city and pay your


            3              people for the at least the first three


            4              months until the first quarter of taxes


            5              comes in.


            6                      MR. JACKOWITZ: Okay.


            7                      MS. GATELLI: So that's what you need


            8              the money for.


            9                      MR. JACKOWITZ: So this money will be


           10              used to pay city bills, possibly be used to


           11              city bills from January through March of


           12              2009.


           13                      MS. GATELLI:  Right.


           14                      MR. MCGOFF: Yes.


           15                      MS. GATELLI:  Or even longer when


           16              the revenue isn't there.


           17                      MS. FANUCCI:  Yeah, sometimes you


           18              don't get it then either.


           19                      MR. JACKOWITZ:  It's like a reserve


           20              account in case the money is not coming in


           21              fast enough to pay the bills.  See, we can


           22              actually get along when you get people to at


           23              least attempt to answer my questions.  This


           24              is nice.  I like this.  Very good.  Very


           25              good.






            1                      MR. MCGOFF: I'm glad we could please


            2              you.


            3                      MR. JACKOWITZ:  I many, too.  But,


            4              anyway, I'll see you all in probably January


            5              of 2009 because I know there won't be any


            6              more meetings.


            7                      MR. MCGOFF: 7-F.


            8                      MS. GARVEY: 7-F, which was formerly


            9              6-A, FOR CONSIDERATION - BY THE COMMITTEE ON


           10              FINANCE - FOR ADOPTION - FILE OF COUNCIL NO.


           11              50, 2008 - AN ORDINANCE - AUTHORIZING THE


           12              ISSUANCE AND SALE OF A FIVE MILLION


           13              ($5,000,000.00) DOLLAR PRINCIPAL AMOUNT, TAX




           15              SCRANTON KNOWN AS TAN SERIES A, AWARDED TO


           16              COMMUNITY BANK & TRUST CO; DETERMINING THE


           17              FORM AND TERM OF SAID NOTE; AWARDING SAID




           19              OF CERTAIN DOCUMENTS; AND DIRECTING THE




           21              TAKE ANY AND ALL OTHER ACTIONS AS MAY BE


           22              REQUIRED IN CONNECTION WITH THE


           23              ISSUANCE OF SAID NOTE.


           24                      MR. MCGOFF: What is the


           25              recommendation of the Chair for the






            1              Committee on Finance?


            2                      MS. GATELLI: As Chair for the


            3              Committee on Finance, I recommend final


            4              passage of Item 7-F.


            5                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.


            6                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  Roll


            7              call, please?


            8                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.


            9                      MS. EVANS:  Yes.


           10                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Gatelli.


           11                      MS. GATELLI.  Yes.


           12                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.


           13                      MS. FANUCCI:  Yes.


           14                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. Courtright.


           15                      (Mr. Courtright not present.)


           16                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.


           17                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes.  I hereby declare


           18              Item 7-F legally and lawfully adopted.


           19                      MS. GARVEY: 7-G, which was formerly


           20              6-B - FOR CONSIDERATION BY THE COMMITTEE ON


           21              FINANCE - FOR ADOPTION - FILE OF COUNCIL NO.


           22              51, 2008 -  AN ORDINANCE - AUTHORIZING THE


           23              ISSUANCE AND SALE OF A NINE AND ONE HALF


           24              MILLION ($9,500,000.00) DOLLAR PRINCIPAL








            1              THE CITY OF SCRANTON KNOWN AS TAN SERIES B,




            3              DETERMINING THE FORM AND TERM OF SAID NOTE;


            4              AWARDING SAID NOTE; AUTHORIZING AND






            7              CITY OF SCRANTON TO TAKE ANY AND ALL OTHER




            9              WITH THE ISSUANCE OF SAID NOTE.


           10                      MR. MCGOFF: What is the


           11              recommendation of the Chairperson for the


           12              Committee on Finance?


           13                      MS. GATELLI: As Chair for the


           14              Committee on Finance, I recommend final


           15              passage of 7-G.


           16                      MS. FANUCCI:  Second.


           17                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  Roll


           18              call, please?


           19                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.


           20                      MS. EVANS:  No.


           21                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Gatelli.


           22                      MS. GATELLI.  Yes.


           23                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.


           24                      MS. FANUCCI:  Yes.


           25                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. Courtright.






            1                      (Mr. Courtright not present.)


            2                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.


            3                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes.  I hereby declare


            4              Item 7-G legally and lawfully adopted.


            5                      MS. GATELLI:  Motion to adjourn.


            6                      MR. MCGOFF:  Motion to adjourn.


            7                      MS. FANUCCI:  So moved.


            8                      MR. MCGOFF:  Thank you for your


            9              participation.






































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            3        I hereby certify that the proceedings and


            4   evidence are contained fully and accurately in the


            5   notes of testimony taken by me at the hearing of the


            6   above-captioned matter and that the foregoing is a true


            7   and correct transcript of the same to the best of my


            8   ability.







                                    CATHENE S. NARDOZZI, RPR

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