1              SCRANTON CITY COUNCIL MEETING








            5                          HELD:




            7                 Tuesday, December 2, 2008




            9                        LOCATION:


           10                    Council Chambers


           11                   Scranton City Hall


           12               340 North Washington Avenue


           13                   Scranton, Pennsylvania











































                MS. JANET E. EVANS



            9   MS. SHERRY FANUCCI



                MR. WILLIAM COURTRIGHT



           12   MS. KAY GARVEY, CITY CLERK






           15   MR. AMIL MINORA, SOLICITOR


























            1        (Pledge of Allegiance recited and moment of


            2             reflection observed.)


            3                      MR. MCGOFF:  Roll call, please?


            4                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.


            5                      MS. EVANS:  Here.


            6                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Gatelli.


            7                      MS. GATELLI.  Here.


            8                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.


            9                      MS. FANUCCI:  Here.


           10                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. Courtright.


           11                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Here.


           12                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF:  Here.  Dispense with


           14              the reading of the minutes.


           15                      MS. GARVEY: THIRD ORDER.  3-A.






           18              HELD ON OCTOBER 186, 2008.


           19                      MR. MCGOFF: Are there any comments?


           20              If not, received and filed.


           21                      MS. GARVEY: That's it for Third


           22              Order.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF: Prior to citizen's


           24              participation and any announcements, there


           25              was mention last week or at one of the prior






            1              meetings about the census that is going to


            2              be taking place and Mr. Spano has asked if


            3              he could just speak briefly about


            4              opportunities or how it's going to be done


            5              and I have asked him if he would do that at


            6              this time.  Welcome, Mr. Spano.


            7                      MR. SPANO: Thank you, Mr. McGoff,


            8              and thank everybody for your indulgence in


            9              allowing me to take this time at this point


           10              in the agenda.  My name is Charlie Spano and


           11              now I am the assistant manager for


           12              recruiting in the Scranton office of the


           13              United States Census.  The Census is


           14              required by the constitution to occur every


           15              ten years.  What we are doing right now is


           16              asking individuals who may be interested in


           17              taking a simple test of basic skills, math


           18              English, analysis and alternatives, to


           19              schedule themselves for that test in our


           20              area by calling this 1-866 number.  An


           21              individual who takes the test and qualifies


           22              through a background check will be added to


           23              a list.  The jobs that will be coming


           24              available now and in the very near future


           25              include office clerical-type work that will






            1              be in our office on the fifth floor of the


            2              Oppenheim building as well as supervisory


            3              positions in the office.


            4                      The vast majority of jobs will be


            5              out in the field.  People commonly think of


            6              the census that someone knocks on your door


            7              and collects information.  That is true, but


            8              that will come about a year and a half from


            9              now in 2010.  Those people are called


           10              enumerators.  We need enumerators, we need


           11              people to manage them who are called crew


           12              leaders.  We need office supervisory staff.


           13              We have a test scheduled in Scranton on


           14              December 6.  We have tests scheduled


           15              throughout Northeastern, Pennsylvania.


           16              Again, the number is 1-866-861-2010, for


           17              anyone who is interested in applying for a


           18              census job.  Now, these jobs are by and


           19              large part-time, they are temporary, and


           20              they can carry no benefits.  Some jobs can


           21              last as short as three or four weeks, others


           22              can last several months, so I would


           23              encourage everyone and anyone who may be


           24              interested in getting a great part-time job


           25              that pays between $11 and $14 an hour to






            1              call this number, take the test, and you


            2              will be contacted by the US Census and at


            3              some future point by the folks in our


            4              office.  Thank you for the opportunity for


            5              this time and I appreciate your attention.


            6              Good night.


            7                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr. Spano.


            8              Any questions for Mr. Spano?  Thank you very


            9              much.  Any announcements from council?


           10                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I have just one.


           11              Nan Wendelowski asked me if I could read


           12              this.  It's a Wonderful Live, the radio


           13              version, performed by the Actor's Circle,


           14              it's going to be December 4, 5, 6, and 7,


           15              and then again December 12, 13, and 14.


           16              That's Thursday, Fridays and Saturday


           17              evenings at 8:00, and Sunday afternoon at


           18              2:00 and the prices range from 8 to 12


           19              dollars and that will be at the Providence


           20              Playhouse on 1256 Providence Road, so they


           21              would appreciate if you would think about


           22              attending this.  Again, Wonderful Life, the


           23              radio version.  Thank you.


           24                      MS. EVANS: And I just have one


           25              thing, I would like to acknowledge Good






            1              Fellows and Mr. Hasham, who I understand


            2              donated quite a bit of nonperishable food


            3              items to the Lackawanna-Scranton Taxpayers'


            4              Association food drive, so thank you very


            5              much to Mr. Hasham.


            6                      MS. GATELLI:  I would just like to


            7              announce once again the 30th anniversary of


            8              the Scranton Public Theatre.  Agnus Cummings


            9              is providing three, one-act plays, Friday,


           10              December 5 at 8:15; Saturday, December 6 at


           11              2:00 and 8:15; and Sunday, December 7 at


           12              8:15.  Cost is 10 dollars.


           13                      The lights at Nay Aug Park open


           14              every night.  And Friday evening, December


           15              5, at 7:00 at the Cultural Center is the


           16              Northeastern, Pennsylvania, Philharmonic


           17              holiday show.


           18                      I just have one piece of


           19              correspondence concerning the audit from


           20              Mr. Grassi, "We anticipate providing a draft


           21              of the audit report to the BA either Friday


           22              of this week or Monday of next week to begin


           23              working on the city's management and


           24              discussion analysis cyst section of the


           25              audit.  The report will be tentative and






            1              preliminary subject to receipt of response


            2              from attorneys regarding the potential


            3              liabilities, claims for litigation.


            4                      After receipt of the city's MDNA and


            5              attorney letters, an exit conference will be


            6              scheduled to review the audit report.  And


            7              that's all I have.  Thank you.


            8                      MR. MCGOFF: Anyone else?  Fourth


            9              order.  Citizens' participation.  Les


           10              Spindler.


           11                      MR. SPINDLER: Good evening, Council.


           12              Les Spindler, city resident and homeowner.


           13              Mr. McGoff, last week you said people have


           14              come up to you and said how they liked the


           15              program on CDTV, well, they must be Chicago


           16              White Sox and Betty Boop fans.  To expound


           17              on that, Mrs. Evans, last you weren't here,


           18              a coworker came up to me and said they had


           19              tuned into 61 a few weeks ago and there was


           20              a Betty Boop cartoon on.  That's the kind of


           21              programming we are getting on CDTV, shows


           22              about the Chicago White Soxs, winning the


           23              world series and Betty Boop commercials.  I


           24              guess Chris Doherty is getting just what he


           25              wants because people have come up to me, Mr.






            1              McGoff, and said they don't watch 61


            2              anymore.  Are you writing a novel,


            3              Mr. McGoff, or are you paying attention?


            4              People have come up to me and stated they


            5              won't watch 61 anymore because these


            6              meetings are not live and they read in the


            7              paper the next day what happens, so Chris


            8              Doherty got just what he wants, for people


            9              not to watch these meetings and find out the


           10              truth come election time.


           11                      Next thing, Saturday the 29, in the


           12              Doherty newsletter it states, "Police labor


           13              discord hurts," and it talks about three


           14              police officers leaving the police force in


           15              2007, and three more this year, and if


           16              there's one person to blame, it's Chris


           17              Doherty.  He wants to give $10,000 raises to


           18              people in his administration, but he won't


           19              give raises to the police department and


           20              fire department, and that goes to say what


           21              you said last week, Mrs. Gatelli, I agree


           22              with you.  You said maybe if we raised the


           23              salary of the mayor we'll get people of


           24              better quality, because for the last seven


           25              years we haven't had anybody of good






            1              quality.


            2                      Moving on, Mrs. Fanucci, last week


            3              you are complaining that the Carl Greco


            4              spent $25,000 of taxpayer money to fight the


            5              Right-to-Know letters.  Well, if people


            6              can't get their information voluntarily they


            7              have every right in the world to write a


            8              Right-to-Know letter, why is Carl Greco


            9              fighting them?  You know, does he have


           10              something to hide?  Is there information he


           11              doesn't want people to know?


           12                      MS. FANUCCI: Les, you misunderstood.


           13              I didn't say he was fighting the


           14              Right-to-Know, he was doing the


           15              Right-to-Know.  He was giving them the


           16              information.  It was that that was costing


           17              the money.  He wasn't fighting them, he was


           18              providing the information for the


           19              Right-to-Know.


           20                      MR. SPINDLER: Okay, well, you are


           21              complaining about your tax dollars being


           22              used for that --


           23                      MS. FANUCCI: I'm complaining about


           24              two people doing it, yes.


           25                      MR. SPINDLER: Okay.






            1                      MS. FANUCCI: Over and over again who


            2              actually sued again this week, yes.


            3                      MR. SPINDLER: Okay, well, why don't


            4              you complain about Mayor Doherty appealing


            5              arbitration losses all the time costing us


            6              taxpayers over a $1 million.  You never say


            7              a word about that, do you, Mrs. Fanucci?  A


            8              million and $25,000, I don't think that's


            9              even.  You don't say a word about the


           10              million dollars that he has wasted.  $25,000


           11              is a drop in the bucket.  He is costing the


           12              taxpayers over a million dollars, but God


           13              forbid you say something about the mayor


           14              because you wouldn't say it because he won't


           15              pull your strings to make you say that.


           16              Thank you.


           17                      MS. FANUCCI: Who is pulling your


           18              strings, Les?


           19                      MR. SPINDLER: No one.  I say what I


           20              want.  I have a mind of my own.


           21                      MS. FANUCCI: If there something that


           22              you have learned about me by now you should


           23              know no one is pulling my strings.


           24                      MR. MCGOFF: Please.  Pleas.


           25                      MS. FANUCCI:  Don't stop me from






            1              saying it though.


            2                      MR. MCGOFF: Please.  Dave Gervasi.


            3                      MR. GERVASI: Good evening, City


            4              Council.  Dave Gervasi, firefighter and


            5              resident of Scranton.  I haven't been here


            6              in awhile, but after watching the caucus I


            7              think some of you still had some questions


            8              about, you know, what you could do about


            9              this situation and, you know, sometimes I


           10              take it a little farther than most.


           11                      A couple of points I think could be


           12              made, I do not believe, my understanding of


           13              Act 47, I have read that allowed numerous


           14              times, I don't think there is anything


           15              legally the state can do to stop the city


           16              from, you know, ratifying that agreement we


           17              had.  I know if the state gets mad they can


           18              sanction the city, but, you know, I don't


           19              know how well that's going to go over if


           20              they tried that again because they did it


           21              last time and it delayed the Market Street


           22              bridge, I think they'd probably refold this


           23              time if they tried to sanction the city any


           24              liquids fuels money.  Other than that, it's


           25              hard for me to stand here and say that I






            1              truly believe the mayor wants to cut a deal,


            2              but I actually believe that.  I mean, after


            3              seven years for whatever reason, political


            4              reasons, I don't know, whatever they're


            5              thinking, but this was actually the first


            6              time that the city initiated talks with us.


            7              It was always us going in and things would


            8              fall apart after awhile for the last seven


            9              years, but I must say that the negotiating


           10              team for the city, which was mostly Dick


           11              Goldberg and Attorney Patterson, the city


           12              solicitor, they seem like they this were


           13              sincere in what they were doing and that's


           14              what kept us at the table for two long days.


           15              The ironic part of this whole thing to me is


           16              why the state is so hung on these management


           17              right clauses because it has nothing to do


           18              with money.  I mean, the agreement literally


           19              came back with, you know, any changes in


           20              health care and our copays were going to up


           21              and things like that, and we agreed to, and


           22              when this thing came back from the state


           23              there wasn't one penny in difference.


           24              Everything that was there and everything


           25              that was negotiated upon was approved.






            1                      So, I mean, I hate to -- I'm going


            2              to tell you my opinion.  I mean, we have


            3              been saying this for years and years and


            4              years since 1992, long before I started


            5              coming here and long before I was involved


            6              on the board of our union, Scranton is


            7              Pennsylvania Economy League's biggest client


            8              under DCED, and frankly, they have made


            9              recovery plans that were false.  They made


           10              claims here about borrowing $44 million that


           11              were false.  Mrs. Gatelli, you called them


           12              on it and I think it ended up $10 million


           13              instead of 44 and we didn't go bankrupt.


           14              So, honest to God, I think that they don't


           15              want us to have an agreement, I don't think


           16              they want us to settle because if the city


           17              recovers and this deal we cut saves the city


           18              money, you know, and they raise the


           19              distressed status they are out of a job.  I


           20              honestly believe that.  I mean, I think the


           21              state is -- I don't know why they are doing


           22              this at this point, and again, you can't


           23              push this.  You can probably push the mayor


           24              into it, you are probably not going to make


           25              him happy, but you definitely are not going






            1              to make the state happy apparently, but


            2              again, this is just a shame.


            3                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Can I ask you one


            4              question, Mr. Gervasi?


            5                      MR. GERVASI: Absolutely.


            6                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Is that all right?


            7              Am I hearing you correctly in your opinion,


            8              and I know you are pretty well-versed in Act


            9              47, in your opinion even if the city were to


           10              agree what they shook hands on in that


           11              agreement, right, that you feel the worst


           12              care scenario what could happen to us would


           13              be the state would be sanctioned by the


           14              liquid fuels money.


           15                      MR. GERVASI:  That's all they can


           16              do.  That's all they can do.  That's the


           17              most they can do.


           18                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  In my opinion, that


           19              would be a small price to pay.  I just


           20              wanted to get straight that that's what you


           21              were saying.  Thank you.


           22                      MR. GERVASI:  Thank you.


           23                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Thanks for


           24              indulging me there.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr. Gervasi.






            1              Ozzie Quinn.


            2                      MR. QUINN:  Ozzie Quinn, Taxpayers'


            3              Association.  I want to speak on 7-A


            4              regarding the budget.  Last year Mrs. Evans


            5              she did a budget as finance chairperson for


            6              the city council and they scoffed at it.


            7              This year Mrs. Gatelli, who is the finance


            8              chairperson, failed to do a budget.  So, you


            9              know, as the Taxpayers' Association we got


           10              to look at the big picture and we think if


           11              you did a budget, Mrs. Gatelli, to try to


           12              lower what it is than it is right now, we


           13              could have used that money to pay off some


           14              of this debt, and you didn't do it.  You


           15              failed to do it.  I believe you and


           16              Mr. Doherty are part of the Peter principal,


           17              incompetent as you go up.  It's ashame that


           18              you didn't do it as a representative of the


           19              people.


           20                      The other thing is this year here,


           21              on 7-C, I got the to know the people pretty


           22              well that are into these food lines that


           23              Mrs. Evans spoke about before about the food


           24              drives between her and the Taxpayers'


           25              Association and there is no doubt about it






            1              that that OECD money that's going to be used


            2              for Mr. Greco, Attorney Greco, again and


            3              again and again every year, I understand


            4              it's $150,000 you are going to raise it?  Is


            5              that right, or is it $100,000?  What's the--


            6                      MS. GATELLI: It's $150 in the


            7              legislation.


            8                      MR. QUINN:  Last week I was told it


            9              was 100, but -- okay, so somebody wants to


           10              raise it from 100 to $150,000?


           11                      MS. GATELLI:  Um-hum.


           12                      MR. QUINN:  Well, you know, I did


           13              send a letter under the Right-to-Know and I


           14              didn't do it this week, but I sent one


           15              September 7 and he still hasn't answered it,


           16              so I don't know.  I can't believe that.  So,


           17              the fact is that -- and we also know the


           18              fact that he has contributed $20,000 to


           19              Mr. Doherty's election campaign and this is


           20              again, it's pay to play.  There is no doubt


           21              about it.  It's just -- it's just


           22              perpetuating corruption in the City of


           23              Scranton and while these people wait out


           24              there, they want to give away $150,000 to


           25              Carl Greco who supports the mayor






            1              financially, and yet poor people are walking


            2              around trying to repair their roofs, trying


            3              to do -- or trying to prepare their meeting


            4              systems and we don't have the money to do


            5              it.  It's ashame, and it's not only ashame


            6              it's obscene, but the fact that we again, we


            7              have a situation where nobody cares and


            8              nobody cares what happens and I don't care


            9              what the mayor says about, you know, we are


           10              going to do this for the neighborhood and


           11              this for the neighborhood, it's all a lot of


           12              talk.  It's just the same as tonight we are


           13              talking about the fire and the police union,


           14              my thoughts on that are that Mr. Doherty


           15              will agree to anything this year.  It's


           16              election year, and what he does as soon as


           17              he shakes hands and says, yes, he goes and


           18              calls Rendell who calls DCED and says, "Make


           19              sure you stop there."


           20                      You know, I've been around a long


           21              time, I know how this works.  There is no


           22              doubt about it.  This man doesn't want this


           23              because in the Recovery Plan in 2002 the


           24              main argument with the firemen and the


           25              police was the managerial rights and that's






            1              what PEL is putting into the language right


            2              now.  It's ashame and it should be stopped.


            3              These men have not been paid for seven years


            4              and Mr. Doherty wants to do everything but


            5              leave the people out there remember what he


            6              done $150,000 contract and now an


            7              opportunity to do something with the budget


            8              and he gets Mrs. Gatelli not to enter a


            9              budget.  Thank you.


           10                      MR. MCGOFF: Bob Bolus.


           11                      MR. BOLUS:good evening, Council.


           12              Bob Bolus, Scranton.  Boy, some things just


           13              never change.  You can stay away here for


           14              awhile and guess what, it's still the --


           15                      MS. FANUCCI: Groundhog Day.


           16                      MR. BOLUS -- same when you come in.


           17                      MS. FANUCCI: It's Groundhog Day,


           18              Bob.


           19                      MR. BOLUS: You know, I think we need


           20              to deal with the issues more than the


           21              insults.


           22                      MS. FANUCCI: We'll be okay.


           23                      MR. BOLUS:  It's the way it should


           24              be, it's the way it used to be anyway.


           25                      MS. FANUCCI: I know.






            1                      MR. BOLUS: I guess we are all big


            2              boys and girls here.  Number one, I think we


            3              need to start with 7-A.  I don't think there


            4              should be any raises in this budget for


            5              Hayes or Moran, but I do agree that the


            6              mayor should receive a raise, maybe we will


            7              get a competent mayor in here that when you


            8              get a handshake you won't get the knife in


            9              your back as the fire department and


           10              everybody else in the city gets while we are


           11              doing it.  So, yeah, I do think we need to


           12              change that around a bit and there should be


           13              definitely more money for the mayor here.


           14                      I think we need to stop the issues


           15              here with Carl Greco, and.  7-C this is an


           16              absolutely joke, it's been going on and on


           17              and, the guy has made God knows how much


           18              money, you know, there is other lawyers in


           19              the city.  There is one sitting over there.


           20              I'm sure he would like to make $150,000 this


           21              year.  They should all be given the


           22              opportunity.  They pay taxes here.  They are


           23              part of the community and it should be


           24              spread around, you know, the pie shouldn't


           25              go to just one person.  I think Carl Grecos






            1              eating a good share of the pie in this city,


            2              he and the mayor and his associates, so I


            3              think you need to look at it and vote it


            4              down and make changes that start here.  The


            5              mayor can't do it without you, remember


            6              that.


            7                      You know, another thing we look at


            8              with the fire department and everything


            9              else, past councils, then we read in the


           10              paper an article where Kevin Murphy sat here


           11              and said, "Geez, I was tricked, "when he


           12              threw the fire department and the police


           13              department under the bus when he voted for


           14              Recovery Plan.  Is that going to happen


           15              again now?  Then they are going to run for


           16              another office and say, geez, we are going


           17              to come back mea culpa, you know, I didn't


           18              mean to throw you under the bus?  Vote for


           19              me and let me change the city when they are


           20              only part of the city.  You are not even


           21              downtown.  So, you know, I think we need to


           22              stop it.  We need to stop the politics.  We


           23              need to pay attention why we are all here


           24              and that's about the people in the City of


           25              Scranton.






            1                      We don't have to run for office on a


            2              daily basis or a weekly basis here, what


            3              runs for office is the job people do here,


            4              and that's for the people in this city and


            5              it's ashame.  We want to build a library,


            6              $18 million.  Bail out a bank over in South


            7              Side, an old building that we are going to


            8              buy and renovate and spend money on, what


            9              are we going to do with the library over


           10              here?  Who has got the deal cut to buy out


           11              the Scranton Public Library down there?  Is


           12              there a deal in the works that when that's


           13              vacated for $18 million?  Come on, open our


           14              eyes here.


           15                      What happened to Southern Union?  We


           16              could have bought it for what, like


           17              $4 million, $3 million and did the same


           18              thing, a brand new building never used.


           19              Where was the mayor?  He wasn't interested


           20              in taking care of the people in the City of


           21              Scranton, he is worried about cutting the


           22              grass at Nay Aug or doing something where


           23              nobody is even going to.


           24                      Carl Greco, if you do give him the


           25              money, let him do his job, go in with t he






            1              man and the old Southern Union building and


            2              take it for the city, take it for the people


            3              in the city.  We already know what the value


            4              is.  It's a heck of a lot less than


            5              $18 million in south side.  It's not


            6              convenient.  Let's go back to the DPW


            7              complex where we get a $1 year, another


            8              Mayor Doherty deal.  We are all over the


            9              city.  We look like idiots because we don't


           10              know how to manage our assets and it's time


           11              we have to stop that.


           12                      You know, the fire department we are


           13              arguing, we are screwing them over


           14              literally, I have said from day one the


           15              meetings, the negotiations should be held


           16              here publically.  What we heard tonight is


           17              he said/she said/they said, but you are


           18              asking questions of people who are in the


           19              meeting who are not even in it.  Let them


           20              sit here.  It's our dollars, not council,


           21              not Doherty's, and not the fire


           22              department's.  It's our money being spent to


           23              do this, we want to know what's going on.


           24              We don't only want part of the information.


           25              It needs to be done here.  You know,






            1              Scranton is Scranton.  We are unique in


            2              geography.  We are not Reading, we are not


            3              Johnstown, we are nobody else.  We are who


            4              we are and their contract should be on what


            5              they need to do here.  The risk they take,


            6              the job they do for us, I don't care what


            7              somebody else does elsewhere, the topography


            8              of their town or how they handle their


            9              issues.  We need to do our own issues and


           10              our housekeeping because if they know a


           11              better job than they are doing there, then


           12              guess what, we should all be replaced and


           13              let them do our job, and that's what's wrong


           14              here in Scranton.


           15                      We are in the limelight, we are in


           16              the spotlight of the nation, and quite


           17              frankly, we all look like a bunch of idiots


           18              in our leadership here to see what these


           19              people are going through and the


           20              embarrassment to the people who are


           21              taxpayers in this city that built Scranton,


           22              and that's what's wrong, ladies and


           23              gentlemen.


           24                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.


           25                      MR. BOLUS: It's time to come to the






            1              plate and do right.  Thank you.


            2                      MR. MCGOFF:  Thank you, Mr. Bolus.


            3              Doug Miller.


            4                      MR. MILLER: Good evening, Council,


            5              Doug Miller.  I'll glad to see we all still


            6              love each other here.  I certainly haven't


            7              missed much, that's for sure.  It's ashame.


            8              It really is, and we wonder why the meetings


            9              aren't live.  Just to briefly address


           10              Channel 61, you know, I am pleased to hear


           11              that the meetings will be live next week.  I


           12              believe we all had the opportunity to view


           13              our government here as and for people to


           14              come up here and complain that meetings


           15              aren't live, well, you are going to have


           16              them next week and hopefully with Channel 9


           17              and 11 it will reach more living rooms.


           18                   Just regarding the budget, I believe no


           19              raises should be given to anyone until our


           20              police and firemen are given raises.  You


           21              know, it's been seven long years and I don't


           22              believe a raise should be given to anyone


           23              else.  I find it to be a total slap in the


           24              face to our police and firemen and I ask


           25              this council not to pass this budget unless






            1              those raises are taken out.


            2                      I do agree with Mrs. Gatelli


            3              regarding the pay raise for the mayor.  I


            4              believe this will certainly help attract


            5              higher quality candidates.  Running this


            6              city on a daily basis is certainly not an


            7              easy operation and so I hope council would


            8              consider that for the future.


            9                      And regarding the finance chair,


           10              some statements were made tonight that the


           11              finance chair must submit a budget, in my


           12              opinion I certainly don't feel it's the


           13              requirement that they must submit a budget.


           14              I mean, we have a budget submitted by the


           15              mayor and I certainly believe that a finance


           16              chair should city down with council and the


           17              mayor and lead any amendments that should be


           18              made or any other changes regarding the


           19              budget and so I certainly don't believe the


           20              criticism against Mrs. Gatelli is fair, you


           21              know, I think you can look at the definition


           22              of finance chair and it doesn't say they


           23              must submit a budget.  I know it's been done


           24              in the past and that's great, but it


           25              certainly is not a requirement.  Thank you.






            1                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr. Miller.


            2              Fay Franus.


            3                      MS. FRANUS:  Fay Franus, Scranton.


            4              Although, as Mr. Miller said, the finance


            5              chairman must not necessarily do a budget,


            6              Mrs. Gatelli, I'd like to ask you if you


            7              were representing the people why didn't you


            8              make your own budget?  I know you said last


            9              week you were working with Stu Renda, but


           10              Stu Renda, is a business administrator last


           11              I checked.  His title is --


           12                      MS. GATELLI: Yes, I worked with him


           13              on what I thought the budget should look


           14              like.


           15                      MS. FRANUS:  Basically it's a


           16              conflict of interest.  You should be


           17              representing the people, should you not?


           18              Mr. Renda is representing the mayor.  It's


           19              like having --


           20                      MS. GATELLI: And I was representing


           21              council.


           22                      MS. FRANUS:  What about the people?


           23              That's who you should be representing, not


           24              council.


           25                      MS. GATELLI: That's who I was






            1              representing.


            2                      MS. FRANUS: Council?


            3                      MS. GATELLI: When I was sitting


            4              there with Mr. Renda.


            5                      MS. FRANUS:  You should be


            6              representing the people.  Why did you not do


            7              your own budget like Mrs. Evans has in the


            8              past?  Why didn't you -- you are getting


            9              paid to do the budget why didn't you do it?


           10                      MS. GATELLI: Why can't -- I don't


           11              get paid to do the budget, Mrs. Franus.


           12                      MS. FRANUS:  You are finance chair,


           13              that's part of it.


           14                      MS. GATELLI: No, it isn't.


           15                      MS. FRANUS: Oh, really, okay.  It


           16              isn't.


           17                      MS. GATELLI: It's not part of the


           18              finance chair's responsibility.


           19                      MS. FRANUS:  Okay, but why do you


           20              feel as finance chair that you shouldn't do


           21              the budget if are you representing the


           22              people, because Stu Renda's budget is the


           23              mayor's budget.  I mean, all of these


           24              administrative positions that the mayor


           25              created, that budget includes pay for them.






            1              I mean, you have to be paid.


            2                      MS. GATELLI: And there will be


            3              amendments to the budget.


            4                      MS. FRANUS:  And those people will


            5              still have their positions that were


            6              created, millions of dollars of positions


            7              that were created that you think they should


            8              stay in.  You know you rang a bell last


            9              year, you can't unring it.  You and


           10              Mrs. Fanucci and Mr. McGoff gave the city a


           11              25 percent tax increase, you can't erase


           12              that, that's there.  That was your doing,


           13              and there was a budget proposed that cut out


           14              all tax increases and elimination of jobs in


           15              city hall, lowering the wage tax, but you


           16              ignored it.  And this year you don't even


           17              want to do a budget, but yet you say you are


           18              representing the people.  Do you say now


           19              that you represent me at all?  I guess


           20              that's a no.


           21                      I mean, we come here as citizens and


           22              we ask to come here and we ask questions of


           23              our council members and we, out of my own


           24              pocket, pay you and you won't -- you refuse


           25              to answer my questions.  I find that






            1              startling.


            2                      MS. GATELLI: I find it startling


            3              that you only harass me, Mrs. Franus.  Isn't


            4              that amazing?


            5                      MS. FRANUS: You are the finance


            6              chair and the budget is now.


            7                      MS. GATELLI: If it wasn't the


            8              finance chair it would be something else.


            9                      MS. FRANUS:  We are talking about


           10              the budget.


           11                      MR. MCGOFF: Mrs. Franus, Mrs.


           12              Gatelli gave you repeatedly --


           13                      MS. FRANUS: It's your responsibility


           14              --


           15                      MS. GATELLI:  Everyone knows why you


           16              are here, Mrs. Franus.


           17                      MS. FRANUS:  Mr. McGoff, I'm


           18              speaking, okay?  It's my --


           19                      MR. MCGOFF: No, you are asking


           20              questions and asking for an answer and


           21              Mrs. Gatelli provided that answer at least


           22              three times.


           23                      MS. FRANUS:  No, she didn't.  I


           24              asked if she was representing me.  She


           25              didn't answer that question.  Where were






            1              you?  And besides, Mr. McGoff, I don't think


            2              Mrs. Gatelli needs you to answer for her.


            3              She can speak for herself.  She is not 16.


            4                      MR. MCGOFF: Apparently you weren't


            5              listening to her answer, so I thought maybe


            6              I would help.


            7                      MS. FRANUS:  Well, you have done


            8              that many times before.  I don't think I


            9              need your -- if I wanted to ask you


           10              something I would.  Thank you.


           11                      MR. MCGOFF: Actually, all of the


           12              questions should come through the president.


           13              I'm allowed to --


           14                      MR. FRANUS: Well, that's fine, but


           15              if I'm going to have to ask through the


           16              president so would everybody else.  That's


           17              my point.  You don't pick and choose.


           18                      MS. FANNUCCI: That's fine.


           19                      MR. MCGOFF: Well, I haven't.


           20                      MS. FRANUS: Well, then there is no


           21              point in saying it.  You should make


           22              everybody else do it.  I don't want to talk


           23              about that.  I asked Mrs. Fanucci --


           24              Mrs. Gatelli rather, why she didn't do a


           25              budget and she said -- I just think that it






            1              was her position as finance chair to cut


            2              positions in city hall to save the taxpayers


            3              money because we will never make up for that


            4              25 percent that she made us get last year.


            5              She never even wanted to look at Mr. Evans'


            6              budget.  Nobody did except Doddy.


            7                      So, Billy, I think the taxpayers


            8              need someone in finance that could them, not


            9              the mayor.  When I heard you saying you were


           10              working with Stu Renda that's like going


           11              down to the mayor's house and saying, "What


           12              do you want me to do?"


           13                      MS. GATELLI:  Mrs. Franus, I took


           14              the finance chair because no one else wanted


           15              it.  That's the facts.


           16                      MR. FRANUS: That's not the point.


           17                      MS. GATELLI: Mrs. Evans resigned


           18              from it.


           19                      MS. FRANUS:  Fine.  But since you


           20              have it, you should do the work that should


           21              be involved in it.


           22                      MS. GATELLI:  That's not required as


           23              the finance chair.


           24                      MS. FRANUS:  Oh, so, in other words,


           25              to be the finance chair you don't have to do






            1              the work that's -- what's required as


            2              finance chair then?  Mrs. Evans always did


            3              the work.  He never said it wasn't required


            4              of me.


            5                      MS. GATELLI: It's not worth even


            6              arguing.


            7                      MS. FRANUS:  I mean, you are the


            8              finance chair.  Everybody else as the chair


            9              of their department does their work.  If


           10              someone were to ask Mr. Courtright a


           11              question in his chairmanship he would


           12              answer.  He doesn't say, "That isn't


           13              required of me."


           14                      I just definitely think you should


           15              start representing the people instead of


           16              Mayor Chris Doherty.  You are finance chair.


           17              Totally unbelievable.


           18                      MS. EVANS: Mrs. Franus?


           19                      MS. FRANUS: Yes.


           20                      MS. EVANS: As far as I know having


           21              served as finance chair for several years,


           22              the drafting of the budget is not a


           23              requirement.  In the event that all of


           24              council or at least a supermajority of


           25              council would not be in agreement with the






            1              mayor's budget, then council must under


            2              those circumstances draft an alternative.


            3              However, I did so because I chose to do so.


            4              I was not satisfied with what I saw in the


            5              mayor's budget and I wanted to try to do


            6              better to help the people, but it's not a


            7              requirement.


            8                      MS. FRANUS:  Okay, but you did it


            9              for the people.  Judy doesn't want to take


           10              that extra step for the people.  She wants


           11              to go along with Mayor Doherty.


           12                      MR. MCGOFF:  Thank you, Mrs. Franus.


           13                      MS. FRANUS: and one more thing,


           14              Mr. McGoff, I think that you mentioned


           15              earlier that you would possibly -- somebody


           16              mentioned that maybe they wouldn't -- for


           17              the firemen and policemen you would stop the


           18              budget maybe, but I think Marie Schumacher


           19              if you don't vote on a budget by December 15


           20              it's automatic anyway so you can't stop the


           21              budget.  Is there a meeting next week?


           22                      MR. MCGOFF: Yes.  Thank you, Mrs.


           23              Franus.  Marie Schumacher.


           24                      MS. SCHUMACHER: Marie Schumacher,


           25              resident and member of the Taxpayers'






            1              Association.  The November 18 agenda, Item


            2              5-C, amended an earlier resolution which


            3              accepted recommendations of the Historical


            4              Architectural Review Board for installation


            5              of a new roof with architectural shingles,


            6              pointing of a bricks, replacement of window


            7              opening fillers and replacement of existing


            8              signs to correct the address from 225 Vine


            9              Street, a commercial building, to 802 North


           10              Webster Avenue, a private home.  I would


           11              like to know during -- later in the


           12              responses, what gives HARB the authority


           13              over what improvements a resident may do to


           14              their personal properties.


           15                      Next, I would like to make a budget


           16              recommendation.  Assuming Mrs. Gatelli is


           17              serious about assigning the resources


           18              required to implement the rental


           19              registration ordinance passed in July of


           20              2007, then using Mrs. Gatelli's own


           21              projections of revenues, there should be


           22              increased 2009 revenue not included in the


           23              mayor's budget of slightly less than


           24              $1.5 million.  I suggest that part of this


           25              revenue be used to give bonuses of $100 or






            1              $100 per month to our firefighters and


            2              police who have gone seven years without an


            3              increase.


            4                      On 7-A, I would like to know if


            5              there are going to be any amendments that


            6              would include the revenue from OECD moving


            7              here for half a year, the rental


            8              registration income, the addition of the


            9              personnel to implement that, donation for


           10              ECTV, etcetera, things that were discussed


           11              during the budget and last week, and I hope


           12              that it is not just a -- 7-A is just not a


           13              mayor's budget because that would be very


           14              disappointing and also elimination of the


           15              two $10,000 increases.


           16                      Now, with respect to tonight's


           17              agenda items, 5-D, E and F, there are three


           18              appointments to a Scranton Housing Appeals


           19              Review Board.  I have several questions.  It


           20              is my understanding that the purpose of this


           21              board is to set minimum standards covering


           22              the condition and maintenance of dwellings.


           23              So my first question is why Scranton needs


           24              such a board other than an opportunity tore


           25              the mayor to make appointments.






            1              Mrs. Gatelli has said Scranton uses national


            2              building codes so why do we need this board


            3              other than an opportunity perhaps to harass


            4              property owners.


            5                      Where are the minimum standards of


            6              this board available for public review?  I


            7              had trouble even establishing that this is a


            8              city board.  What are the professions of


            9              these three appointees that qualify them to


           10              establish minimum standards?  Do we really


           11              need property police?


           12                      Next, today' Times-Tribune court


           13              notes reviews the Impanema Grill has had a


           14              federal tax lien imposed.  Since council


           15              approved a 10-year $40,000 loan to this


           16              establishment on January 25, 2007, will this


           17              loan be called in for repayment?  I do


           18              believe that the loan terms require tax


           19              payment currency.  Back when this loan was


           20              approved, there was considerable discussion


           21              among Andy Sbaraglia, Mrs. Gatelli and


           22              Mrs. Evans on loans in general, and the


           23              city's position that resulted in


           24              Mrs. Gatelli instructing Mrs. Garvey to send


           25              a letter to Mr. Hailstone, then OECD






            1              director, to require -- requesting a written


            2              accounting of all loans and delinquencies as


            3              well as some other loan information.  I'd


            4              also like to know tonight whether that


            5              letter was -- a response was ever received


            6              and if so where may the public access this


            7              information.


            8                      On April 12 last year reporting on


            9              the justification for the quarter a million


           10              dollar Alexander Salon loan, Mrs. Fanucci


           11              stated:  "And here is what's happening, they


           12              are actually expanding two floors.  The


           13              first and second floor and the third floor.


           14              They believe a more realistic number of


           15              positions that will be created will be 15


           16              and that would be in the first year.  These


           17              positions will result in additional


           18              professionals needed for a medical spa.


           19              What they are going to do, the first floor


           20              will be the salon, the second floor will be


           21              a new fitness center, third floor is going


           22              to be a medical spa.  They are going to have


           23              doctors, nurses and also they are putting in


           24              an outdoor seating cafeteria on the first


           25              floor.  All of their collateral will be in






            1              the new equipment."


            2                      I would like to know since the


            3              fitness center, the medical spa and the


            4              outdoor cafeteria don't exist, and that


            5              equipment is used for collateral, how much


            6              of that quarter of a million dollars has


            7              been transferred to Alexander's without the


            8              collateral?  I did note in the Assessor's


            9              that the Fratellis did buy the building in


           10              October as reported they would do, so that


           11              was good news.


           12                      Now, down on the site of the former


           13              Holiday Manor Nursing Home -- may I finish


           14              this one point?


           15                      MR. MCGOFF: Please.


           16                      MS. SCHUMACHER: There is a parcel of


           17              land that's fenced off that reads:  "Private


           18              property.  Parking for employees of


           19              Tobyhanna Federal Credit Union.  All others


           20              will be towed."


           21                      According to the Assessor's records,


           22              Tobyhanna Credit Union does not own this


           23              property and I'd like to know how they are


           24              allowed to take it over without paying any


           25              taxes or fees to the city.  Thank you.






            1                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mrs.


            2              Schumacher.  Bill Jackowitz.


            3                      MR. JACKOWITZ: Salaam aleikum.  In


            4              memory of Jim Davis, a regular speaker at


            5              city council, who passed away on Saturday.


            6              Hopefully someone will take up his fight for


            7              the children of the Central City of


            8              Scranton.  Bill Jackowitz, South Scranton,


            9              member of the Taxpayers' Association.


           10              Toastmaster's International, the person at


           11              the podium is the speaker, everybody else


           12              are the listeners.  I would like to start


           13              off tonight by commending Mayor Doherty and


           14              the City of Scranton, elected officials and


           15              appointees for their outstanding work they


           16              accomplished in the construction and


           17              dedication of the Hero's monument at Nay Aug


           18              Park.  The ceremony that was conducted on


           19              26th November 2006, was awesome.  Family


           20              members of the falling war fighters and


           21              elected officials, veterans, state troopers,


           22              clergy and over 150 citizens attending.


           23                        Council President McGoff


           24              represented Scranton City Council.  Job well


           25              done.  The original idea came from a family






            1              member of a fallen warfighter.  Mayor


            2              Doherty then picked up the ball and ran with


            3              it.  ECTV filmed the ceremony and has


            4              replayed it several times.  I hope people


            5              had the opportunity to see it.  Job well


            6              done by everybody involved.


            7                      Now, getting back to the Scranton


            8              budget for 2009.  Cuts must be made in the


            9              budget.  The citizens cannot afford a


           10              $77 million plus budget.  The economy in


           11              Scranton and the entire world is in total


           12              disarray.  We cannot be talking about


           13              raising any elected official or appointed


           14              official's salary.  Seriously, you should be


           15              talking about reducing these salaries.


           16              Remember, elected officials and political


           17              appointees are servants of the taxpayers and


           18              work for the taxpayers.  Government


           19              positions were never intended to be


           20              lucrative, high-paying positions.  $150,000


           21              for a part-time city attorney, please, let's


           22              be realistic not sadistic.


           23                      Chief Elliott and Chief Davis should


           24              return their $15,000 raise immediately.


           25              City government salaries should be reduced






            1              until you the economy improves and the


            2              firefighters and police officers get their


            3              contracts signed.


            4                      The mayor of Scranton must not be a


            5              bad job.  Mayor Doherty spent $1 million to


            6              get the job, no raise there either, until


            7              the contracts are signed, distressed city


            8              status removed and Recovery Plan


            9              implemented.  The same goes for Ray Hayes,


           10              Lisa Moran, Stu Renda, should also return


           11              some taxpayers' money until the budget is


           12              balanced.  No raises until the contracts are


           13              signed.


           14                      The Right-to-Know is just what the


           15              title state, every citizen has the right to


           16              know how their tax money is being spent and


           17              by whom for what.  Pennsylvania has one of


           18              the weakest Rights to Know law in the


           19              country and Scranton is worst yet.  What are


           20              they hiding from the public?


           21                      As far as $25,000 being spent, if


           22              OECD would produce the information


           23              immediately upon receipt of a Right-to-Know


           24              letter less money would be spent.  Sounds


           25              like overbilling to me.  Instead, OECD and






            1              other government agencies deny this


            2              information and make it harder on themselves


            3              and the taxpayer who is requesting the


            4              information.  Remember, fair, honest and


            5              open government.  That is what is required


            6              for this city, county, state and nation to


            7              survive.  Change is needed and it will come


            8              sooner than we think.


            9                      The days of back room politics and


           10              hiding information will soon cease to exist.


           11              I strongly voter taxpayers to request


           12              information from the government agencies.  A


           13              $500 campaign contribution does not equal a


           14              $5,000 pay raise.


           15                      As far as the loan to Boscov,


           16              according to the national research groups


           17              and economic experts, foreclosures wave to


           18              malls and hotels.  Both places where


           19              Scranton taxpayer money has been used to


           20              bail out owners and large corporations such


           21              as the Hilton, Radisson and now Boscov's.


           22              Some day the taxpayers of Scranton will be


           23              given a break and they will start to elect


           24              politicians who have the community's best


           25              interest in mind, not the best interest of






            1              family, friends and campaign contributors.


            2                      The 500 block of Lackawanna Avenue


            3              has received over $30 million in taxpayers'


            4              money.  Please, enough is enough.  The


            5              street is a mess and has been for over four


            6              years.  The taxpayers will never recoup


            7              their money.  No more taxpayers' money for


            8              millionaires, the developers and campaign


            9              contributors.  Remember, the firefighters


           10              and police officers.  These are the city


           11              workers who risk their lives every time they


           12              put their uniforms on to go to work.  They


           13              never know what their day may bring and they


           14              are always ready to put their live on the


           15              line for the citizens and politicians.  Just


           16              like those sixth-grade warfighters did.


           17              They paid the ultimate price just like


           18              Captain Robeson, Scranton Fire Department


           19              did.  Firefighters and police officers and


           20              warfighters sign a contract up to and


           21              including their life to protect the citizens


           22              of Scranton, Pennsylvania, and this nation.


           23              Please respect them.


           24                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr.


           25              Jackowitz.  Tom Ungvarsky.






            1                      MR. UNGVARSKY: Good evening, city


            2              council, I'm Tom Ungvarsky, and I'm also a


            3              member of the Scranton/Lackawanna County


            4              Taxpayers.  A week ago Monday our


            5              organization had a meeting, and on our


            6              agenda was the loan to Boscov's.  We spoke


            7              on it, we asked questions, but we never did


            8              reach any consensus on it.  The following


            9              night was the council's meeting.  While I


           10              heard some council members say we are going


           11              to approve it, it's mainly because the mayor


           12              wants it for his downtown.  I think it


           13              should be put on the agenda for next week


           14              and you people should talk about it and show


           15              us the pros and cons of this loan that


           16              Mr. Boscov is getting.


           17                      Mr. McGoff, this will be the fourth


           18              time that I'm asking about SECCAUS, LLC.


           19              They got $20,000.  They were granted $20,000


           20              from the city council to educate their


           21              workers.  Perhaps this is the reason why I'm


           22              not getting an answer as to why LLC -- or


           23              SECCAUS, LLC is not coming to town.


           24                      I also believe, Mrs. Gatelli, that


           25              the city -- that city council should have






            1              provided an alternative budget.  Just to


            2              have one budget and okay it as it is, is not


            3              in the interest of the taxpayers.


            4                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you,


            5              Mr. Ungvarsky.  Ron Ellman.


            6                      MR. ELLMAN:  Ronnie Ellman again.  I


            7              look like I kangaroo over here with this


            8              pouch over here if I can find something.


            9              I'm almost ready.  The dollar ones.  I know


           10              everybody is probably familiar with the


           11              corner of Lackawanna and Seventh Avenue, you


           12              got the U-Haul in over there and the beer


           13              place, the new bridge and the $100 million


           14              bus terminal that I guess there is going to


           15              be a restaurant at the produce place.  Do


           16              you know that I guess it would be the


           17              northeast corner, that's got to be one of


           18              the best pieces of property in the city, if


           19              not the county, and that's KOZ.  The big


           20              sign out there.  I'd like know, I wish Todd


           21              O'Malley would come in here with his pearly


           22              whites and explain why a piece of property


           23              like this was made KOZ or somebody from that


           24              school board.  You couldn't have a better


           25              piece of property to buy or rent than this






            1              and it's eight years now.  How many jobs did


            2              they get out of that property?  You know,


            3              this is ridiculous as someone saying I had


            4              an affair with Paris Hilton or something.


            5              It's senseless.  I'm not going to harp on


            6              it.  I go -- I have gone by there and seen


            7              the sign, a big sign, KOZ.  It's only got a


            8              couple of years left, I think, but why in


            9              the world would somebody allow this piece of


           10              property to be KOZ, you know.  I have talked


           11              to some people downtown they have got KOZ


           12              property and they have hired a couple of


           13              waitresses at like $3 an hour and their


           14              tips, and what are they doing when the KOZ


           15              is up?  They won't be here.  Nobody is going


           16              to rent the damn things and they're just


           17              history like the -- I remember somebody had


           18              a KOZ that they had to tear down because of


           19              the flood, they allowed them to take the KOZ


           20              to a new location which I was told is


           21              completely illegal to do something like


           22              that.  The KOZ is for the property, not the


           23              person, but nobody objected.  That's enough.


           24              I get so mad.


           25                      I had a lady come up to me at the






            1              Price Rite a few days ago, and she got a


            2              relative that lives at the Midtown


            3              Apartments and she sort of -- we were


            4              talking for a second or two.  She said she


            5              wished Mrs. Simmons would forget about the


            6              Obama and come back and help the people over


            7              there, you know, the mayor's legacy one of


            8              them is going to be the medical school and


            9              he is going to get it by displacing 700


           10              people in those apartments and he is


           11              throwing these people under the bus.  This


           12              is terrible.  You can see it coming and no


           13              one is doing a thing to help these people.


           14              They will be scattered all over the place


           15              like happened with the Olive Street


           16              apartments.  There is no reason in the world


           17              those apartments haven't been fixed.  They


           18              could have been fixed in a matter of weeks.


           19              I'm not going to get into it, but I have


           20              talked to -- I have talked to someone and


           21              they told me they could have been fixed in


           22              weeks if anybody cared.  It's just a waiting


           23              game where they will be so deteriorated they


           24              are saying they are too far gone to work on.


           25                   This is just such a waste.  This is --






            1              it's a waste of people to -- Mr. Doherty has


            2              this thing for the poor people in the city.


            3              He doesn't care about the working people.


            4              You can see it with what's going on all


            5              around here.  It just terrible.  You know,


            6              to me, I think that Mr. Doherty is the


            7              problem with the city not the solution.  He


            8              is the problem.  He is incapable of running


            9              this city properly and he has no incentive


           10              for a budget.  You keep talking budget,


           11              budget, budget, he has no incentive to


           12              follow a budget because he keeps borrowing.


           13              He is allowed to borrow and borrow and


           14              borrow and it doesn't stop.  I got a little


           15              quick note here.  I was watching last week


           16              Ted Turner was on Good Morning America and I


           17              know he is not at as knowledgeable and


           18              successful as our esteemed mayor, but he had


           19              some good words.  He said, "We spent much


           20              more money than we are taking in, therefore,


           21              borrowing is against any successful plan of


           22              success.  It's useless."


           23                      Mayor Doherty needs to remember


           24              those words.  Thank you.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr. Ellman.






            1              David Dobson.


            2                      MR. DOBSON: Good evening, Council.


            3              Dave Dobson, resident of Scranton and member


            4              of the Taxpayers.  On this Right-to-Know


            5              business with Mr. Greco, I'm pleased to


            6              announce that we have been a new law and


            7              hopefully we won't have to waste $25,000


            8              every time somebody asks for some kind of


            9              legal fact or expenditure, and on my


           10              Christmas wish list I hope we keep the


           11              police and firemen in mind and to try and


           12              get this contract settled.  It's really a


           13              bad mark for everybody in town.  We should


           14              have never, ever voted for the Recovery


           15              Plan.  We obviously didn't understand enough


           16              about it and it's actually been too long.  I


           17              mean, even old Joe Stalin used to have a


           18              five-year plan, we have a seven-year and


           19              eight-year and ten-year plan, so it will be


           20              nice to see that these people get their


           21              raises and, well, we will have to deal with


           22              it if there is any tax increases in the


           23              future, but that's the way things are.


           24                      And on our library, I have one


           25              concern on that, and that is this, that






            1              central city is the hub of Scranton for all


            2              Colts buses.  They leave the various parts


            3              of our area from all the way from up in


            4              Madisonville and so forth or Daleville and


            5              return to Scranton in central city and drop


            6              off either in front of Oppenheim's, the old


            7              Oppenheim's building or the old Globe Store,


            8              and that's several blocks away from


            9              anything.  Now, somebody mentioned the few


           10              days ago that there is a Cedar Avenue bus,


           11              but I think they are wrong there.  I have


           12              never seen a bus on that corner.  My bank


           13              is, in fact, the Penn Security Bank, so I


           14              have been on that corner quite a bit and to


           15              my understanding there is no bus service


           16              that would drop off directly in front of the


           17              place.


           18                      And, once again, I'll mention that


           19              I'm not representing anybody on public


           20              access TV.  I understand that it might not


           21              be logical to drag everybody in the city


           22              hall for a meeting, but it would be nice if


           23              in the future, and I'll bring it up after


           24              January possibly, that whatever could be


           25              done to increase the amount of meetings it






            1              would be greatly include public access TV


            2              and the fact that these people wouldn't have


            3              to travel constantly and relocate equipment


            4              and so forth and go through all of this.


            5              So, as far as that's concerned half of one


            6              is better than none sometimes, but we


            7              certainly could have a commissioner's


            8              meeting in city hall.  But, you know, it


            9              would be interesting to see some kind of


           10              attempt made to centralize some of these


           11              meetings so that they could better afford


           12              coverage and provide coverage and not have


           13              to turn it into an all-day affair just to do


           14              this.  Thank you, and have a good night.


           15                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.  Andy


           16              Sbaraglia?  Any other speakers?


           17                      MR. ANCHERANI:  Good evening.


           18              Nelson Ancherani.  Well, here we are.


           19              Tonight is the third reading of the budget,


           20              were any of you able to find out why the


           21              percentages of the expenditures pie totals


           22              101 percent instead of 100 percent?  That's


           23              on page five of the budget.  Were any of you


           24              able to find out why the percentages in the


           25              expenditure pie slices on page five of the






            1              budget are all higher or greater than the


            2              actual percentages for the actual budget


            3              amount listed in the budget?  An example


            4              being the preslice of the pie.  It's listed


            5              on the expenditure page five as 24 percent


            6              or $18,800,000.  When the actual expenditure


            7              for the police department on page 56 of the


            8              budget is $13,250,000.  That's a difference


            9              of 5.5 million dollars.  That is how it is


           10              for all of the slices of the pie.  There is


           11              a difference in every one of them.  Anyone


           12              know why?  Does anyone know why the Scranton


           13              Parking Authority is getting $879,830 this


           14              year for SPA citation issuers it's an


           15              increase of $76,000, and this is considering


           16              the Scranton Parking Authority got a


           17              $35 million bond or loan last year that will


           18              eventually cost the city over the life of


           19              the loan $94 million.  Does anyone know why


           20              or how many Scranton Parking Authority


           21              citation issuers there are?  They are listed


           22              as an expenditure out of the business


           23              administration office.  As an expenditure on


           24              page 37 of the budget.


           25                      Anyone know who they are?  Anyone






            1              know what a TAN or a tax anticipation note


            2              is?  Anyone know why the TANS are not


            3              reflected on the revenue pie chart, page


            4              four, or the expenditure pie chart on page


            5              five of the budget?  Does anyone know where


            6              the TANS are reflected in the budget and how


            7              they are addressed?


            8                      Does anyone know why the police and


            9              fire departments are still getting the blame


           10              for the city not getting out of the


           11              distressed status when for the last six


           12              years and more the police and fire budgets


           13              are less than the year before?  Has anyone


           14              done their homework by checking out the


           15              budget page by page, you know, the time you


           16              spend besides the approximately 40 meetings


           17              that you have scheduled per year?


           18                      Why are there administrative raises


           19              when the police and fire unions aren't even


           20              getting cost of living raises?


           21                      It's been said that the city is


           22              going to appeal the firemen's award that


           23              came down recently.  Our own Stu Renda


           24              reports that the award will cost the city


           25              2.6 million through 2014, and this is from






            1              our Stu Renda who has increased his salary


            2              by 46,000 since being employed by the city.


            3              He now earns $85,000 per year.  Our friend,


            4              Stu, forgot about the raises and 59 new


            5              hires that will ultimately cost the city at


            6              least $20 million by the end of the 2009.


            7              Any takers on the questions?  Okay.  Then


            8              I'll ask that 7-A be tabled until you do


            9              your homework.


           10                      Mrs. Fanucci pushed last week for


           11              the $150,000 for Attorney Greco.  She


           12              criticized the serial Right-to-Know filers


           13              for wanting to know what is it going on in


           14              the city.  She put up a loud vocal argument.


           15              I really wish she was at vocal and


           16              criticized the serial appealer for costing


           17              the taxpayers millions in appealing awards


           18              from arbitrators because the city violated


           19              contracts.  So, I guess the serial appealers


           20              can also be called the serial contract


           21              violator.  Thank you.


           22                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you,


           23              Mr. Ancherani.  Anyone else?


           24                      MS. KRAKE: Good evening, Council.


           25              My name is Nancy Krake.  Three contracts ago






            1              I was president of the clerical union and we


            2              were on our previous Recovery Plan, and that


            3              was negotiated by myself, John O'Shea for


            4              the police and Mike Ferke for fire, and that


            5              was under Mayor Connors.  All of the raises


            6              that were received were the same.  They were


            7              the same for unions and for nonunion.  We


            8              had a health care committee which the


            9              Pennsylvania Economy League walked out of


           10              the first day of the meeting.  That saved


           11              the city almost $5 million.  That took us


           12              out of the red and into the black before


           13              Mayor Doherty became mayor.


           14                      The Pennsylvania Economy League was


           15              not for those contracts, they were not for


           16              the saving the money, yet, everything went


           17              well.  And it was at that time when Mayor


           18              Doherty came in that the teachers had gotten


           19              their last horrendous contract and they were


           20              told to vote for that because that's what


           21              fire and police were going to get under the


           22              new Recovery Plan.  Well, they never


           23              accepted it.


           24                      My union, unfortunately, did twice.


           25              The first time I was not part of the






            1              negotiations, and the second time I pretty


            2              much was very upset with what was going on


            3              at the negotiations and the health care


            4              committee was eliminated I recommended to


            5              the people that they not vote for it.


            6                      Jumping ahead a little, two weeks


            7              ago after the meeting I had gone up to


            8              Mr. Fanucci and told her she had no right to


            9              tell people we couldn't say what we wanted


           10              at the podium and she said -- one of the


           11              remarks she made to me was that my people


           12              had thrown me under the bus and that I had


           13              no one following me anymore, and she is


           14              absolutely right.  I have been under that


           15              bus and glad to be there.  In fact, I got in


           16              front of the bus from December of 2001 when


           17              at a Christmas meeting Mayor Doherty, who


           18              was still on council, eliminated 20 some


           19              union jobs and it appeared in my mail box on


           20              January 1 a letter with the list of names


           21              telling people not to report for work.  So,


           22              I many gladly getting under that bus time


           23              and time again for the sake of all union


           24              workers.  My people, for whatever reasons,


           25              did not vote the right way.  Out of fear,






            1              out of hope for something, you know, a few


            2              crumbs, and that is their choice and that is


            3              their right, but it's always my hope that


            4              things will be better for all workers for


            5              police and fire, for teachers, for everyone.


            6              I was very glad to see them get the contract


            7              that they deserve and I hope after what I


            8              saw here tonight, the unity of this council,


            9              that police and fire will get a good


           10              contract in the end that benefits everybody.


           11              Maybe some day my people will get their


           12              management rights back.


           13                      Some of the things that happened


           14              with those management rights are this:  The


           15              city has a right to change unilaterally any


           16              job description.  Well, one example would be


           17              heating and ventilating and air conditioning


           18              description.  They changed it to put one


           19              person in there.  They took away whole


           20              bunches of things that person needs to know.


           21              That person left a year ago.  It has since


           22              to be filled, and that's by a person who is


           23              getting a $10,000 raise, the human resources


           24              director.  And another thing, she is the one


           25              that said we had no maternity leave in our






            1              contract, that she had taken that out in


            2              that first contract when she scared everyone


            3              and told them they better vote for it, this


            4              was in 2002 when we lost the referendum,


            5              well, it was still in there and we won the


            6              arbitration.  After we won it, she didn't


            7              appeal it.  It's the only one not appealed.


            8              She took two retroactive maternity leaves


            9              for herself and took one into the future, so


           10              this is what management rights can cause.


           11                        Management rights are for us.


           12              Well, where is the management rights that


           13              hold management accountable?  Supposedly


           14              they are in the Home Rule Charter and the


           15              Municipal Code.  Every time we see those


           16              trying to be enforced there is an uproar.


           17              How dare they hold our city government to


           18              taxing?  It's really not fair and I just


           19              hope that I continue to be able to come here


           20              and put myself under the bus, because I


           21              really don't mind, and we'll just keep


           22              bringing the facts to light.  Thank you.


           23                      MR. MORGAN: Good evening, Council.


           24              The first thing I have tonight is, you know,


           25              I really enjoy coming here when all of these






            1              people get up and they speak their minds,


            2              you know, Mr. Jackowitz remembering


            3              Mr. Davis, who didn't always say things that


            4              everybody agreed with, but he represented a


            5              lot of people, and I'm not just talking


            6              about minorities, I'm talking about all of


            7              the children in central city when he was


            8              concerned about their safety and the safe


            9              place to I guess -- place the work and, you


           10              know, their education he was involved with.


           11              He really wanted to see that every child got


           12              a quality education.  This man was


           13              multi-dimensional and, you know, even though


           14              everybody may not agree with everything he


           15              said, he had a lot of important things to


           16              say.  And when you take a look at what other


           17              speakers have said here, Ozzie Quinn, Marie,


           18              Nelson, you know, they are absolutely right


           19              about the fiscal situation the city finds


           20              itself in, and a lot of the other issues


           21              that they present here every week, week


           22              after week after week.  We do have a lot of


           23              problems here that could have been solved a


           24              long time ago if all of the information the


           25              city had at it's disposal was put on the






            1              computer and given to the residents of this


            2              city so they could be more informed.  The


            3              terrible crimes, in my opinion, that were


            4              committed by removing the cameras and the


            5              live feed, yes, soon they will be live


            6              again.  We have had the leadership of a very


            7              poor leader for a very long time.  I hope


            8              that someone will run against this mayor and


            9              win because we definitely need leadership in


           10              this city and we don't have any.


           11                      Now, I think that what this council


           12              really needs to do is I agree with Nelson.


           13              We need to table this budget.  We need to


           14              come up with an interm budget, a temporary


           15              budget.  We need to go into the


           16              neighborhoods and for once ask the residents


           17              of this city what do you want because we


           18              have been rough shot over by this


           19              administration, and I hate to say this,


           20              council has multiple times introduced


           21              budgets not in the best interest of the


           22              residents.  You can say whatever you want to


           23              say about this city, but we have got a


           24              terrible bleed here.  Our neighborhoods are


           25              a mess.  There are people that are actually






            1              still abandoning their properties.  The


            2              amount of properties for sale in this city


            3              is really a crime.  It really is.  This is a


            4              beautiful city, there is no doubt about


            5              that.  Can this city come back?  Absolutely.


            6              But not with this leadership, okay?  From


            7              the America Anglican deal right down to all


            8              of the borrowing and it's all been wrong and


            9              we've got to change direction, so what I


           10              think this council needs to do is table the


           11              budget.  Come up with a short period budget,


           12              an interim budget to keep this thing


           13              functioning, and let's go out and ask the


           14              people what they want, okay?


           15                      And the other thing I think we need


           16              to do is that we need to bring a motion to


           17              --  council needs to introduce a motion and


           18              remove the delinquent tax fees.  We have got


           19              to face the reality that this is country is


           20              in a major recession.  We have also got to


           21              face the fact that a large percentage of


           22              Scrantonians are below the poverty level.


           23              We have got to finally begin to represent


           24              the unheard voices of the residents of this


           25              city.  It's pretty simple what's going on






            1              here.  We can all talk politics here and we


            2              can all take orders from the mayor or


            3              whoever else is calling the shots here, but


            4              this budget is wrong, the budget has been


            5              wrong for a numerous years.  It's offered us


            6              nothing, we have borrowed a ton of money,


            7              and you know what we have to show for it?


            8              Absolutely nothing.


            9                      We have a municipal golf course that


           10              at least used to give us money.  We don't


           11              even have that.  We have sold everything we


           12              can sell.  We have done favors for everybody


           13              you can imagine except for the people living


           14              in the neighborhoods.  They still don't even


           15              have a playground program.  Do we have a war


           16              on drugs?  Somebody needs to ask Judge


           17              Barrasse if we really have a war on drugs


           18              because we don't seem to have enough time or


           19              money to create a program for the youth in


           20              this city to try to lead them in a


           21              constructive manner in the summer when they


           22              need some supervision.  Think about it.


           23              It's your job.  There is nothing funny here.


           24              There is nothing humorous here, it's just a


           25              crime, and this council is perpetuating it.






            1                      And we have a mayor who claims he is


            2              a leader, and he hasn't lead.  He has just


            3              borrowed a ton of money.  He has abused all


            4              of his employees, okay, and he has misused,


            5              okay, the city's building inspectors in a


            6              way that I don't think any mayor has ever


            7              done.  I think it's a crime.  I think that


            8              really this man is definitely just a


            9              criminal in office.  Thank you.


           10                      MR. MCGOFF: Anyone else?  Mrs.


           11              Evans?


           12                      MS. EVANS: Good evening.  First, I


           13              wish to apologize for my absence from last


           14              week's council meeting due to illness.  I do


           15              not take my duties and responsibilities


           16              lightly and I know how important it is that


           17              all council members are present for the


           18              final vote on the mayor's 2009 budget


           19              tonight.


           20                      Second, other significant issues


           21              face council as well, such as Attorney


           22              Greco's latest contract, and the 2009 tax


           23              anticipation notes.  I have serious concerns


           24              about these issues and will discuss my


           25              objections during the voting portion of






            1              tonight's meeting.


            2                      Third, and most significant, I stand


            3              by my word.  I will not approve the mayor's


            4              2009 budget until necessary cuts in spending


            5              are made.  In this collapsing economy, which


            6              has more than doubled the number of families


            7              and elderly in need of free meals and home


            8              heating assistance, it is unacceptable for


            9              government to make no effort to cut costs.


           10              There is no tax increase for 2009, and no


           11              announced borrowing for which we are


           12              thankful, but gratitude does not blind us to


           13              the fact that we, the taxpayers, were saved


           14              by the increased wage tax collections and


           15              the over $5 million windfall from the tax


           16              office.


           17                      Such temporary relief does not blind


           18              us to the financial status quo which


           19              continues through 2009.  The borrowing was


           20              settled less than two weeks ago on


           21              November 20.  The spending increases with a


           22              new library and greenhouse, yet, many budget


           23              cuts are absent.  It seems the entire


           24              country is in recession except for Scranton.


           25              No matter that Boscov's, B-Moss, Steve and






            1              casualties, those very long lines for


            2              Thanksgiving meals and heating assistance


            3              are figments of the imagination.  Scranton's


            4              high unemployment numbers must be fiction


            5              because in Scranton we don't try to curb


            6              borrowing, spending, and loan give-aways, we


            7              are obviously immune to recession.  That's


            8              what some politicians would have you


            9              believe.  The spin and utopian present and


           10              future of buy now, pay later, and you will


           11              pay, my friends, hundreds of million dollars


           12              and growing straight through the Year 2034.


           13                        The mayor just doesn't get it.


           14              Perhaps the problem is that Mr. Doherty is


           15              an independently wealthy fellow.  He doesn't


           16              have to rely entirely on his mayor's salary


           17              to raise his family.  He entertains former


           18              presidents, Congressmen, and national


           19              candidates in his home.  From the mayor's


           20              office, he rewards his loyal supporters,


           21              contributors, family and friends generously.


           22              Quid pro quo.  You give, you receive.  It's


           23              not wrong, it's just a different life-style


           24              from the majority of Scranton residents.


           25              You don't live his life-style and he doesn't






            1              live yours.


            2                      The absence of an alternative budget


            3              is disappointing and seems to imply a


            4              agreement with the Mayor's 2009 budget.


            5              Mrs. Gatelli said that she conferred with


            6              Mr. Renda on Mr. Doherty's budget, and also


            7              supports at least two issues previously


            8              discussed by council members, the


            9              elimination of two raises and the additional


           10              of inspectors.  Some, however, are more


           11              realistic and financially conservative than


           12              others.  Consequently, I am proposing cuts


           13              and much needed additions to the mayor's


           14              2009 budget.  I will provide an overview now


           15              and present the specific items during the


           16              budget vote.


           17                      The overview is as follows:


           18              Positions eliminated: 13; reductions in


           19              salaries, 20; professional services reduced


           20              in one department, eliminated in two


           21              departments; dues and subscription reduced


           22              in one department; travel and lodging


           23              reduced in one department, eliminated in


           24              four departments; training and certification


           25              reduced in one department, eliminated in two






            1              departments; capital expenditures, reduced


            2              in one department, eliminated for South Side


            3              library.


            4                      Expenditures -- oh, and before I go


            5              to the expenditures, the total revenue from


            6              these and a few other cuts is $2,014,50.86.


            7              On the expenditures side, in the Department


            8              of Licensing, Inspection and Permits, add


            9              one animal control officer; add one health


           10              inspector; add one housing inspector.  In


           11              the law department add one administrative


           12              assistant one; and in the controller's


           13              office, I would like to add the cost of the


           14              audit of the Scranton Tax Office.


           15                      I looked through the budget


           16              diligently for those monies, as we all know


           17              the audit of the tax office has not been


           18              performed by the city control in years,


           19              decades.  The excuse given was that there


           20              was never enough funding and there were


           21              never enough individuals because of lack of


           22              funding.  I would like to provide in my


           23              proposals $40,000 for the costs of the tax


           24              office audit for 2009.  My total


           25              expenditures are $168,565 with a total






            1              savings to the 2009 budget of $1,845,985.86.


            2                      These are hard decisions that must


            3              be made if we wish to begin to properly


            4              manage the city finances.  We must


            5              demonstrate financial stability.  The


            6              elimination of a structural deficit.  The


            7              ability to cut costs, the lowering of our


            8              debt, and the settlement of municipal union


            9              contracts to the Pennsylvania Department of


           10              Community and Economic Development in order


           11              to lift our distressed status.


           12                      Further, we must make these hard


           13              decisions to restore the financial health


           14              and future of our city.  Like every council


           15              member here seated, I love my city, but I


           16              believe any great city is it's people.


           17              Scranton stands because we are a strong


           18              resilient people.  We are hard-working,


           19              humble, generous.  We know the difference


           20              between wanting and needing.  These are hard


           21              times that require hard decisions.


           22                      I make my proposals for the good of


           23              this city and the good of the greatest


           24              number of citizens.  I have not cut


           25              services, rather, I cut what we can manage






            1              without having.  As a teacher, I believe a


            2              library is a hallmark of civilization, yet,


            3              I know that a new library will cause the


            4              county to raise the library tax in order to


            5              maintain and staff this new addition.  The


            6              city and it's residents can't afford further


            7              projects in this economy.  Each public


            8              school houses a library, and our


            9              universities boast splendid libraries.  The


           10              Albright is one of the most magnificent


           11              libraries in this country as is the


           12              children's library.  And, yes, some towns in


           13              our county have no libraries, but that is


           14              not the right reason to forge ahead at this


           15              time.


           16                      Further, if we have sympathy for


           17              those 13 who lost political jobs then surely


           18              we must have sympathy for the nearly 2,000


           19              Scrantonians who have lost their jobs and


           20              fallen delinquent in their mortgages,


           21              utility payments and property taxes.  If we


           22              struggle to cut raises then should we not


           23              struggle more to award and maintain those


           24              raises without our union workers receiving


           25              the same being forced to live without any






            1              raises for seven years?


            2                      The tax dollars that can be saved


            3              may be used to pay down the debt service by


            4              1.8 million or to reduce the city wage tax


            5              from 2.4 to 2.2 percent.  This is another


            6              way in which to attract business, family


            7              sustaining jobs and new homeowners to


            8              Scranton.  Let's put aside our personal


            9              desires, differences, and politics and focus


           10              on what is needed for the 2009 budget year


           11              and for the people of Scranton.


           12                      Next, the contracts with Northeast


           13              Credit and Collections or NCC for the


           14              collection of delinquent refuse fees and


           15              delinquent real estate taxes expire on


           16              December 31, 2008.  However, according to


           17              the terms of both agreements these contracts


           18              shall automatically be renewed for an


           19              additional three years term or terms unless


           20              either party gives notification to the other


           21              party that the contract shall be terminated


           22              at least six months prior to the end of the


           23              initial term or any renewal term.  It


           24              appears this renewal occurred without the


           25              consent of city council.






            1                      In 2005, NCC's first contract


            2              expired.  A contract renewal was brought


            3              before council as a resolution on December 5


            4              and it received final approval on


            5              December 12, 2005.  The vote was four to


            6              one.  I opposed the contract renewal because


            7              of the injurious mistakes that were made by


            8              NCC against city taxpayers, but the contract


            9              renewal did come to council for a vote.  I


           10              expect to see a resolution for renewal on


           11              council's December 9 agenda or I will know


           12              that the mayor has acted, once again,


           13              without council's approval.


           14                      And finally, I have a few requests


           15              for the last week.  A letter to the


           16              University of Scranton, "Please provide


           17              council with an update on the renovations to


           18              Mulberry Street.  City inspectors were lead


           19              to believe that the renovations were to have


           20              been completed by Spring 2008."


           21                       For Mr. Brazil:  Residents report


           22              that catch basins on East Mountain Road are


           23              in need of the streets sweeper.  They are


           24              very grateful that the basins were


           25              previously cleared by the last rain storm






            1              clogged them once again.


            2                      Also, the DPW, lead by Mr. Brazil,


            3              did an outstanding job of leaf pickup and


            4              cleaning over the last few weeks.  More than


            5              once, I saw DPW vehicles hard at work


            6              throughout the various city neighborhoods.


            7                      And the road between the firehouse


            8              and Mountain Lake has become a dumping


            9              drowned.  Residents report liter, a tire,


           10              bags of garbage and bags of leaves are


           11              collecting in this area and they request a


           12              clean up.


           13                      And, finally, a city resident


           14              reports that the beautiful Nay Aug Holiday


           15              lights display lacks a Hanukkah display for


           16              our Jewish community.  I, for some reason,


           17              thought that there was such a display at the


           18              park.  I could have sworn I saw it years


           19              ago, but I'm not absolutely sure.  So, among


           20              the mayor's new purchases for the light show


           21              I'm certain that he would never want to


           22              disclude any part of the population of


           23              Scranton and so if everyone is in agreement


           24              if council could request that a Hanukkah


           25              display is added to the Nay Aug lights if,






            1              in fact, it's not there.


            2                      MS. GATELLI: I just have a comment,


            3              Hannukah, I believe, is a religious holiday


            4              for the Jewish people, and I feel that if we


            5              have something that displays religious items


            6              for Jewish people, then I'm going to request


            7              that a manager be there for the Catholics


            8              because there is no manager scene either.  I


            9              think that most of the lights up there are


           10              not religious in nature, so I'm afraid that


           11              if we get into that we are going to get into


           12              all kinds of religious lighting up at the


           13              park, you know, I don't know how anyone else


           14              feels but.


           15                      MS. EVANS: No, I think you are


           16              making a very good point, but I think even


           17              when we say the word Christmas we are saying


           18              Christ and we are saying we are professing a


           19              Christian religion even by saying Merry


           20              Christmas and by calling it, you know,


           21              Christmas lights display, so I think -- I'm


           22              really not familiar with Jewish holidays for


           23              obvious reasons, but you know, maybe members


           24              of the Jewish community might be able to


           25              make suggestions about what would be






            1              appropriate.  That's it.


            2                      MS. GATELLI:  Anyone else have any?


            3              All right.  As far as the budget, I have


            4              made some amendments to the budget and they


            5              will -- I put them in through Attorney


            6              Minora as requested.  I have added a


            7              full-time zoning officer a part-time animal


            8              control officer, two inspectors.  All raises


            9              have been removed and there were some cuts


           10              in the IT department.  $120,000 in revenue


           11              for the rental registration and we put that


           12              low until we see what happens with


           13              registering the program.  I anticipate the


           14              revenue will be a lot higher once everyone


           15              gets registered and those will be read when


           16              we get to the budget.


           17                      As far as various comments about


           18              being a finance chair, I will repeat it


           19              again.  Mrs. Evans resigned as the finance


           20              chair.  No one else wanted it.  I did not


           21              get it because I wanted to be the finance


           22              chair.  I don't claim to be a CPA or know


           23              much about financial matters other than in


           24              my household where I do the checkbook and


           25              pay the bills.  My husband does not run the






            1              finances in our house, so that is really the


            2              only experience that I have in finances.


            3                      However, when we are taking these


            4              committees, it does not mean that that is


            5              the only thing you do, it means that that is


            6              how you look it up when we are voting on


            7              something, you try to have the answers if


            8              someone asks you a questions as the finance


            9              chair or the DPW chair or the community


           10              development chair, but it does not isolate


           11              you into that particular item.


           12                      For instance, many times I research


           13              OECD things.  Many times I answer those


           14              questions.  Mrs. Fanucci is the community


           15              development chair.  That does not mean that


           16              the rest of us do not do any work in that


           17              particular area or that we don't answer


           18              questions in that area.  Same with the


           19              police and fire, that's Bill's committee,


           20              but it doesn't mean that the rest of us


           21              don't do anything and we don't vote or talk


           22              about police complaints or contact the


           23              police department with the COM-D problems,


           24              etcetera, and the DPW is Mrs. Evans'


           25              committee.  Well, I talk to Jeff Brazil






            1              probably three times a week.  So, being the


            2              head of a committee does not restrict you


            3              from working in every other committee.  It's


            4              merely a title so that you can write your


            5              name on the legislation under the chair of


            6              that particular item.  It does not restrict


            7              you in any way from participating in the


            8              other committees.


            9                      The Housing Appeal's Board, I know


           10              Mr. Schumacher brought that up, and the


           11              Housing Appeals Board is a board that is


           12              setup so that when people have their homes


           13              condemned they can appeal those decisions.


           14              They can go into the appeal's board, the


           15              board hears their case and makes a


           16              determination.  It's legal that you have to


           17              have that board in place for anybody that


           18              would appeal a housing decision, so that's


           19              the answer to your question.  At one time


           20              the members did have qualifications, one was


           21              an electrician, one was a plumber, etcetera,


           22              but you had to be careful there that you


           23              didn't have a conflict of interest with any


           24              contractors, but the Housing Appeals Board


           25              is a necessity in the License and






            1              Inspection's Department.


            2                      I have a copy of the cell phone ban


            3              from Carbondale, that is the only one in the


            4              area that I know of that has a ban on cell


            5              phones.  A girl I work with was just in a


            6              car accident because she was on the cell


            7              phone while she was driving.  I don't know


            8              how readily it will be enforced, but I am


            9              going to ask Attorney Minora to write it up


           10              for us and we'll see what the rest of


           11              council feels about it, but I will pass this


           12              n onto Attorney Minora.  That's all I have.


           13              Thank you.


           14                      MR. MCGOFF: Mrs. Fanucci?


           15                      MR. MINORA: I have a copy.


           16                      MS. FANUCCI: I'm going to be brief


           17              on this because I could really go on forever


           18              and I have a feeling we will anyway, but


           19              just a thought, but there is a few comments


           20              made by Mrs. Franus tonight about working


           21              and doing something on our own against for


           22              the people, I believe that was the whole


           23              issue.  Sitting down and doing what we did


           24              with the budget this time was for the


           25              people.  Not just taking the mayor's budget






            1              and using it, but to sit down and make


            2              changes and to make good changes and listen


            3              to what we needed, which was a new


            4              health inspector, and people that we needed


            5              to help the city.  So, to add these people


            6              was something that was for the people.


            7                      I don't believe that sitting here


            8              week after week and putting my, you know,


            9              dragging my heals into the sand and saying,


           10              no, no, no, is going to be for the people.


           11              In fact, it absolutely does absolutely


           12              nothing.  Nobody benefits from it.  Saying


           13              no is very easy task.  Coming up with the


           14              anti is very easy, but coming up with


           15              solutions is the hard thing.  So to sit down


           16              and decide and to make the budget what we


           17              needed it to be and be happy with it and


           18              working together with the administration is


           19              what our job is.  That's what we are


           20              supposed to do.  To sit here week after week


           21              and decide that, you know, I'm going to be


           22              the no girl is a very, you know, that's the


           23              easy job.  So, I mean, I would rather take


           24              that job actually.


           25                      But, as far as I'm concerned, this






            1              is very good budget after the amendments are


            2              made.  I'm very happy with it.  I'm happy we


            3              didn't have to raise taxes this year.


            4              People seem to forget that we did get a lot


            5              of taxes paid after we passed the


            6              legislation to have the collections


            7              increased.  For some reason that seems to


            8              slip everybody's mind that we did have more


            9              people pay their taxes because they were


           10              aware that now we were going to hold people


           11              accountable, which we are not doing in the


           12              past.  So, yeah, we did increase our tax


           13              base there and also.  For some reason that's


           14              supposed to be a bad thing.  You know,


           15              paying your taxes we don't like to do it,


           16              but it still is our obligation, and if you


           17              are not paying them, as I said before, you


           18              know, you make arrangements.  People that


           19              came up here a few weeks ago with their, you


           20              know, that this one had to pay so much money


           21              in fines, well, after I researched it, it


           22              was because they never made a phone call.


           23              They never picked up the phone and said,


           24              "What can I do?  How do we handle this?"


           25                      They just let is go and let it go.






            1              So, yes, ignoring the problem does not make


            2              it go away.  No different than ignoring any


            3              problems that we have in the city.  So I'm


            4              happy with this budget, I will be voting on


            5              this budget.  I'm a little disappointed in


            6              the alternative budget being proposed here


            7              and not in caucus where we could work


            8              together and actually be productive, but


            9              then again, being on camera is always more


           10              important than what we do in the back room.


           11              And that is all I have.  Thank you.


           12                      MR. MCGOFF: Mr. Courtright?


           13                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Yes, I had a


           14              gentleman stop at my school last night, a


           15              family member of his by the name of Ron


           16              Hasted passed away an untimely death and he


           17              was extremely grateful to the Scranton


           18              Police Department and he asked that I


           19              mention it this evening.  He was pretty


           20              distraught.  He couldn't remember all of the


           21              police officers that aided them, but I did


           22              the best I could to find out who they were.


           23              As I said, a family member of his died an


           24              untimely death and the family was amazed at


           25              how considerate and professional the police






            1              department was and they really want to say


            2              thank you to them.


            3                      To the best of my ability, I


            4              gathered each name that I could that helped


            5              this family out in the police department.


            6              There was Kevin Uher, Fritzy Golden, Mark


            7              Miller, Rich Innunzio, David Dunn and Amy


            8              Remm, and if I are left anybody out I


            9              apologize, but that was the best I could


           10              gather.  They just -- the family wants you


           11              to know how much they appreciate everything


           12              that you did for them and the kind


           13              consideration that you gave to the.


           14                      They wanted to thank a couple of


           15              other people.  There was a towing company, I


           16              believe it was Moletski's involved in this


           17              incident, and they really want to thank them


           18              and then this individual had worked at the


           19              prison and they wanted to thank all of the


           20              people from the prison to show their


           21              compassion, so I told them that I would do


           22              that for them this evening and our


           23              sympathies goes out to that family.


           24                      I didn't get an opportunity to ask


           25              Mr. Bolus, but I'm sure he will come back






            1              next week, I think myself and other people


            2              here we go to his Christmas dinner and help


            3              out, and I'm sure he'll make an


            4              announcement, but every year, I think I have


            5              gone about five or six years now, maybe


            6              seven years, my daughter and I go down and


            7              it just seems to be growing each and every


            8              year and it's a good thing.  Whether you


            9              like Mr. Bolus or you dislike Mr. Bolus,


           10              it's a very good thing he has done and I


           11              have seen other council members down there


           12              helping, so maybe we will get all of the


           13              particulars from him and maybe he will come


           14              in announce it next week or maybe one of us


           15              could.


           16                      Mr. Talimini, I haven't seen you


           17              here in a week or two.  You asked me about


           18              police vehicles on the weekend and you asked


           19              me about patrol vehicles with cages in them


           20              for transportation.  I spoke to Carl


           21              Graziano, Captain Graziano a couple of weeks


           22              ago.  We picked the week prior, the Friday


           23              prior to when you had come here, and I have


           24              that information for you if you watch the


           25              replay I'll keep it for you.






            1                      I wasn't aware that Mr. Davis had


            2              passed away, so my condolences to his


            3              family.  It came as a shock me.  I don't


            4              think any of us knew that he passed away.


            5                      And one last thing, I had hoped with


            6              Mr. Martin coming here and Mr. Schreiber


            7              that we could get something accomplished and


            8              we could get some information out there, and


            9              I think what I had hoped for had happened.


           10              I think they gave us a lot of information,


           11              maybe put to rest some of the rumors and


           12              speculations that are out there.  I think


           13              it's possible to get these contracts settled


           14              in the near future and I think it's even


           15              more possible that this council help me.  I


           16              think every one of us, no matter whose side


           17              you think we are on, I think every one of us


           18              want to see the contracts settled.  So, I


           19              thank them for coming and I think council


           20              did a good job on what we asked them and


           21              what we understood, and let's hope before we


           22              sit here next year at budget time that this


           23              is dying.  I feel confident that it will, so


           24              we thank council and I thank for allowing


           25              them to come here and I think them for






            1              coming.  I think it was very informative and


            2              I believe we all got a great deal out of it,


            3              and that's all I have, Mr. McGoff.  Thank


            4              you.


            5                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you,


            6              Mr. Courtright.  Just a couple of quick


            7              comments.  Mr. Bolus mentioned the sale of


            8              the Albright Library and I think that's kind


            9              of a misconception.  I believe that by it's


           10              charter the Albright Library cannot be sold,


           11              if I'm not mistaken that that's under


           12              whatever trust fund it operates.


           13                      Also, as far as public negotiations


           14              on contracts, I believe that the National


           15              Labor Relations Act prevents public


           16              disclosure of negotiations, so I may be


           17              mistaken, but I'm pretty sure that that's


           18              true.  Mr. Dobson, a letter I believe was


           19              sent or is in the process of being sent to


           20              various authorities and groups to request


           21              meetings being held.  I know that


           22              Mrs. Garvey and I talked about it and if it


           23              hasn't been sent it will be in the near


           24              future.  But, again, it's only a request and


           25              as far as in response to some speakers






            1              that's all I have, and I have a feeling that


            2              our discussion on legislation is going to be


            3              lengthy, and so I think maybe we should get


            4              to it immediately.


            5                      MS. FANUCCI:  I have one question,


            6              do you all have a copy of Mrs. Evans'


            7              proposal in the back room?


            8                      MR. MCGOFF: Mrs. Evans has --


            9                      MS. FANUCCI: No, but do they have


           10              one in the back room?


           11                      MS. EVANS: In the back room?


           12                      MS. FANUCCI: Yes, in the back of the


           13              room.  Do you already have a copy of that


           14              proposal?


           15                      MS. EVANS: Yes.  I just had Neil


           16              make copies.


           17                      MS. FANUCCI: Oh, so they got it


           18              before us.  I just wanted all of us --


           19                      MS. EVANS: I was waiting for the


           20              vote to come up, so I could pass it to you,


           21              but, you know, assuredly you'll get them,


           22              but they obviously won't be voting on it,


           23              you will.


           24                      MS. FANUCCI:  I know.  That's why I


           25              thought it would prudent that we had it






            1              first, but I'm glad the reporter got it


            2              before us.  That's all I need to say much.


            3                      MS. EVANS: Everyone was still


            4              talking, so --


            5                      MS. FANUCCI: You could have passed


            6              them out.


            7                      UNKNOWN AUDIENCE MEMBER: He doesn't


            8              have one.


            9                      MS. FANUCCI:  You didn't just hand


           10              him that one?


           11                      MR. MCGOFF: You know, wether they


           12              were distributed or not let's please go to


           13              the --


           14                      MR. JACKOWITZ: So again you're


           15              mistaken again.


           16                      MR. MCGOFF: Excuse me --


           17                      MS. FANUCCI: No, you actually all


           18              have it and we don't.


           19                      MR. MCGOFF: Mrs. Fanucci --


           20                      MR. JACKOWITZ: The reporter doesn't.


           21                      MR. MCGOFF: Mrs. Fanucci, could we


           22              -- I'd really prefer that we get to the


           23              legislation.  It is going to be lengthy.


           24              Thank you.


           25                      MS. GARVEY: 5-B. FOR INTRODUCTION -








            2              SALE OF A FIVE MILLION ($5,000,000.00)






            5              KNOWN AS TAN SERIES A, AWARDED TO COMMUNITY


            6              BANK & TRUST CO; DETERMINING THE FORM AND


            7              TERM OF SAID NOTE; AWARDING SAID NOTE;






           10              OFFICIALS OF THE CITY OF SCRANTON TO TAKE




           12              IN CONNECTION WITH THE


           13              ISSUANCE OF SAID NOTE.


           14                      MR. MCGOFF: At this time I'll


           15              entertain a motion that Item 5-B be


           16              introduced into it's proper committee.


           17                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.


           18                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.


           19                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?


           20                      MS. EVANS: TAN Series A is used to


           21              pay city bills at the beginning of the each


           22              year until tax revenues can be collected.


           23              It is paid in July of each year.  It is


           24              necessary.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF: Anyone else on the






            1              question?  All those in favor signify by


            2              saying aye.


            3                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


            4                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


            5                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


            6                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


            7                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


            8              ayes have it and so moved.


            9                      MS. GARVEY: 5-C.  FOR INTRODUCTION -




           11              SALE OF A NINE AND ONE HALF MILLION


           12              ($9,500,000.00) DOLLAR PRINCIPAL AMOUNT, TAX




           14              SCRANTON KNOWN AS TAN SERIES B, AWARDED TO


           15              COMMUNITY BANK AND TRUST COMPANY;


           16              DETERMINING THE FORM AND TERM OF SAID NOTE;


           17              AWARDING SAID NOTE; AUTHORIZING AND






           20              CITY OF SCRANTON TO TAKE ANY AND ALL OTHER




           22              WITH THE ISSUANCE OF SAID NOTE.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF: At this time I will


           24              entertain a motion that 5-C be introduced


           25              into it's proper committee.






            1                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.


            2                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.


            3                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?


            4                      MR. COURTRIGHT: On the question,


            5              Mr. McGoff, every year that I have been here


            6              I believe -- I think I'm correct, I believe


            7              I voted for TANS Series B, this time around


            8              I'm not going to be voting in favor of it,


            9              and I did a little research, and I have more


           10              to go, but I remember Mrs. Gatelli had


           11              mentioned last week or the week prior to


           12              that, you know, TANS were necessary to keep


           13              the city moving until the money came in and


           14              I agree with that, but what I have been


           15              looking at and what I have been discovering


           16              is that TAN Series A should do the job in


           17              the beginning of the year, so I'm not going


           18              to be voting in favor of TAN Series B at


           19              this time.


           20                      MS. EVANS: Also, TAN Series B is not


           21              repaid until the end of each fiscal year in


           22              December.  As of October 31, 2008, TAN


           23              Series B in the amount of $10,050,000


           24              remained in Account No. 01401152404299 in


           25              full according to the controller's report






            1              dated November 18, 2008.  The city has no


            2              need to borrow this amount of money,


            3              particularly in light of the tax office


            4              windfall for 2009, and the projected wage


            5              tax increases.


            6                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Well, could I just


            7              one more time, Mr. McGoff?  That's the


            8              information that I had been looking at, what


            9              Mrs. Evans just stated.  You know, I kept


           10              going from month to month in Mrs.


           11              Novembrino's report and seeing it was never


           12              utilized.


           13                      MS. EVANS: That's been the case each


           14              year which is why I have kept -- I


           15              repeatedly voted against it.


           16                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So that's my reason


           17              for now unless I could -- somebody can come


           18              to me and tell me why it's necessary I will


           19              be voting against it.


           20                      MR. MCGOFF:  Anyone else on the


           21              question?  All those in favor signify by


           22              saying aye?


           23                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           24                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           25                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.






            1                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?


            2                      MR. COURTRIGHT: No. I'm sorry.  I


            3              apologize.  I voted in the affirmative and I


            4              meant to vote in the negative.


            5                      MR. MCGOFF: Mr. Courtright's vote is


            6              no.


            7                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Thank you.


            8                      MS. GARVEY: That's just introducing;


            9              right?


           10                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Yes.


           11                      MR. MINORA:  Item 5-D needs to be


           12              amended.  I'm prepared to give you the


           13              language of the amendment as prepared.


           14                      MR. MCGOFF: Please.


           15                      MR. MINORA:  5-D. FOR INTRODUCTION -


           16              A RESOLUTION - THE APPOINTMENT OF GENE P.


           17              TESEROVITCH, 1541 THACKERY STREET, SCRANTON,


           18              PENNSYLVANIA, 18504, AS A MEMBER OF THE




           20              TERM OF FIVE (5) YEARS EFFECTIVE NOVEMBER


           21              24, 2008. MR. TESEROVITCH'S WILL BE




           23              ON OCTOBER 18, 2008.  MR. TESEROVITCH'S TERM


           24              WILL EXPIRE ON NOVEMBER 24, 2013.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.  At this time






            1              I'll entertain a motion that Item 5-D, as


            2              amended, be introduced into it's proper


            3              committee.


            4                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.


            5                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.


            6                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


            7              those in favor signify by saying aye.


            8                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


            9                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           10                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           11                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           12                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           13              ayes have it and so moved.  Do we need to


           14              amend 5-E and F as well?


           15                      MR. MINORA: Yes.  Each one needs an


           16              amendment and we actually need a motion to


           17              amend and then introducing it as amended.


           18                      MR. MCGOFF: Okay.


           19                      MS. GATELLI: I'll make a motion that


           20              we amend 5-D.


           21                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.


           22                      MS. GATELLI: We didn't do D.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF:  All in favor signify by


           24              saying aye.


           25                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.






            1                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


            2                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


            3                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


            4                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


            5              ayes have it and so moved.


            6                      MS. GATELLI:  Now I'll make a motion


            7              that we amend 5-E.


            8                      MS. EVANS: Second.


            9                      MR. MCGOFF:  All in favor signify by


           10              saying aye?


           11                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           12                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           13                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           14                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           15                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           16              ayes have it and so moved.


           17                      MR. MINORA:  The amendment would


           18              read:   FOR INTRODUCTION - A RESOLUTION -


           19              APPOINTMENT OF JOSEPH KAYES, 629 BIRCH


           20              STREET, SCRANTON, PENNSYLVANIA 18505, AS


           21              ALTERNATE NO. 1, A MEMBER OF THE SCRANTON


           22              HOUSING APPEALS REVIEW BOARD, FOR A TERM OF


           23              FIVE (5) YEARS EFFECTIVE NOVEMBER 24, 2008.


           24              MR. KAYES TERM WILL EXPIRE ON NOVEMBER 24,


           25              2013.






            1                      MR. MCGOFF: At this time I'll


            2              entertain a motion that 5-E, as amended, be


            3              introduced into it's proper committee.


            4                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.


            5                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.


            6                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


            7              in favor signify by saying aye.


            8                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


            9                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           10                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           11                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           12                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           13              ayes have it and so moved.


           14                      MS. GATELLI: I'll make a motion that


           15              we amend Item 5-F.


           16                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.


           17                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?  All in


           18              favor signify by saying aye.


           19                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           20                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           21                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           22                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           24              ayes have it and so moved.


           25                      MR. MINORA:  The amended language






            1              would be: FOR INTRODUCTION A RESOLUTION


            2              APPOINTMENT OF ROBERT JENSEN, 401




            4              18505, AS ALTERNATE NO. 2, MEMBER OF THE




            6              TERM OF FIVE (5) YEARS EFFECTIVE NOVEMBER


            7              24, 2008.  MR. JENSEN'S TERM WILL EXPIRE ON


            8              NOVEMBER 24, 2013.


            9                      MR. MCGOFF: At this time I'll


           10              entertain a motion that Item 5-F be


           11              introduce into it's proper committee.


           12                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  So moved.


           13                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.


           14                      THE COURT:  On the question?  All in


           15              favor signify by saying aye.


           16                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           17                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           18                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           19                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           20                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           21              ayes have it and so moved.


           22                      MS. GARVEY: Five G. FOR INTRODUCTION


           23              - A RESOLUTION - AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND
















            4              PARTNERSHIP, L.P. OF THE FORMER NORTH


            5              SCRANTON JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL LOCATED AT 1539


            6              N. MAIN AVENUE, SCRANTON, PA.


            7                      MR. MCGOFF: At this time I'll


            8              entertain a motion that Item 5-G be


            9              introduced into it's proper committee.


           10                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.


           11                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.


           12                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?  All


           13              those in favor signify by saying aye.


           14                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           15                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           16                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           17                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           18                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           19              ayes have it and so moved.


           20                      MS. GARVEY: SIXTH ORDER.  NO


           21              BUSINESS AT THIS TIME.


           22                      MR. MCGOFF: Could I just -- excuse


           23              me one moment.  Just for clarification sake,


           24              the three appointments, the reason for the


           25              amendments were that the original






            1              legislation did not indicate the alternates


            2              and the replacements and so we needed to


            3              amend the wording so that it would


            4              adequately reflect who was being appointed


            5              as a full-time member and an alternate


            6              member.  I'm sorry.


            7                      MS. GARVEY: SIXTH ORDER.  NO


            8              BUSINESS AT THIS TIME.  SEVENTH ORDER.  7-A.


            9                      MR. MCGOFF: As we enter 7-A I


           10              believe that there are going to be a number


           11              of amendments.  I realize that it may take a


           12              prolonged period of time, but I believe that


           13              in the interest of -- in the interest of


           14              council and doing justice to the amendments


           15              that we would consider each one


           16              individually.


           17                      MS. EVANS: That's fine.


           18                      MR. MCGOFF: I know it's going to


           19              take a much longer period of time, but I


           20              just think that it --


           21                      MS. GATELLI: Well, I thought that we


           22              had decided the amendments would go through


           23              Amil so that they would be done legally.


           24                      MS. FANUCCI: We did.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF: Yes, we did.






            1                      MS. EVANS: I never spoke on that, so


            2              I never gave my agreement to it, but --


            3                      MS. FANUCCI: That's because you


            4              weren't at the meeting.


            5                      MS. EVANS: But beyond that, I have


            6              been very ill and I haven't been in touch


            7              with anyone and I did my own work and just


            8              brought it here and just had Neil copy it


            9              recently.


           10                      MR. MCGOFF:  Anyone else?


           11                      MS. GATELLI: Tonight is the final


           12              reading; right?


           13                      MR. MCGOFF: Yes.  Is that okay with


           14              everyone that we do them individually?


           15                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  That's fine by me.


           16                      MS. EVANS: Yes.


           17                      MS. GATELLI:  Fine with me.


           18                      MS. FANUCCI: I say you have Mrs.


           19              Evans do hers.  I mean, how are you going to


           20              do -- it's going to be a debacle.  I mean --


           21                      MS. EVANS: No, what I would do is


           22              just --


           23                      MS. FANUCCI: Read yours.


           24                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I don't think we can


           25              do all of these one by one.  This is going






            1              to be tough.


            2                      MS. EVANS: No, it's --


            3                      MR. MCGOFF: There is 40 some of


            4              them.


            5                      MS. EVANS: I'm not moving it right


            6              now, I'm saying hypothetically.  I would


            7              move it to include the following amendments


            8              to the budget and only those amendments


            9              approved by the majority vote of council


           10              would be included in the mayor's 2009.  So,


           11              it wouldn't be a matter of I move, I move I


           12              move, it would have already been said.  Each


           13              item is just read.  If there are three votes


           14              for it, it stays.  If there are not, it


           15              goes.


           16                      MS. GATELLI:  Well, I would like to


           17              do my amendments first since I went through


           18              the law department, you know, through the


           19              solicitor and we'll see how that works.  If


           20              that gets three votes there is no necessity


           21              to go through all of this.


           22                      MS. EVANS: And why not?  There is


           23              much more in mine beyond yours.  So why


           24              would there not be a necessity?  If we want


           25              save the taxpayers money we are going to






            1              look at everything we possibly can to make


            2              that happen.


            3                      MS. GATELLI:  Well, I personally


            4              looked at it for the last three weeks and I


            5              came up with my amendments.


            6                      MS. EVANS: As did I.


            7                      MR. MCGOFF:  Procedurally we do --


            8              it's -- we must consider each amendment that


            9              is proposed.  There is -- each of us has the


           10              legal right to do that.  Since Mrs. Gatelli


           11              is the Finance Chairman, I'm going to make


           12              an arbitrary decision that we consider those


           13              amendments first and then we can move to the


           14              other amendments.


           15                      MS. EVANS: I agree.


           16                      MS. FANUCCI: That's fine.


           17                      MR. MCGOFF: Acceptable?


           18                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Yes.


           19                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.


           20                      MR. MINORA:  Would you like me to --


           21                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Do we have a copy of


           22              your changes somewhere in here?


           23                      MS. EVANS: It's in with your agenda.


           24                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I guess this is it


           25              here.  All right.






            1                      MR. MINORA: Shall I?


            2                      MR. MCGOFF: Please, Mr. Minora.


            3                      MS. GATELLI: I think I have to make


            4              a motion to amend 7-A.


            5                      MR. MINORA: These would be


            6              Mrs. Gatelli's --


            7                      MS. FANUCCI: I'll second that.


            8                      MR. MCGOFF: Second.


            9                      MR. MINORA:  This is Mrs. Gatelli's


           10              amendments to Item 7-A, the 2009 budget


           11              amending Account No. 01.320.32430, housing


           12              rental license from $18,967 to $120,000 for


           13              net increase of $101,033.


           14                      Are you going to vote on those


           15              individuals, is that what you meant or did


           16              you want her whole amendment as one?  I'm


           17              not sure what --


           18                      MS. EVANS: One at a time, don't you


           19              think?


           20                      MR. MCGOFF: I think that's what we


           21              should do.


           22                      MR. MINORA:  Well, that's the first


           23              one.


           24                      MS. EVANS: And could I just ask how


           25              the $120,000 was arrived at, too?  Do you






            1              have a certain number of houses in mind?


            2                      MS. GATELLI:  Yes, I do.  I think


            3              there was 800 -- or 8,000, sorry.


            4                      MS. EVANS: Eight thousand.


            5                      MR. MCGOFF: We are on the question


            6              on that first item.


            7                      MR. MINORA: Excuse me, is there an


            8              amendment and then a second already on that


            9              one?


           10                      MS. GATELLI: Yes.


           11                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Mr. McGoff, for the


           12              sake of expediency I'm looking at


           13              Mrs. Gatelli's amendments and --


           14                      MS. GATELLI:  It was just what I


           15              said.


           16                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I don't think -- is


           17              there any -- would anybody here have an


           18              objection to any of these changes she has


           19              made here?


           20                      MS. FANUCCI: No.


           21                      MR. COURTRIGHT: And if not, maybe we


           22              could do it as a package.


           23                      MS. EVANS:  I don't know what some


           24              them are though, like, say standard salary.


           25              Whose?






            1                      MR. MINORA: I can explain -- it was


            2              my intent when I -- I didn't know I was


            3              going do it this way, but it was my intent


            4              to explain those as part of the amendment


            5              because I have done the research as to what


            6              accounts are what and when.


            7                      MS. EVANS: We can look that up in


            8              the budget, but it's faster if you can just


            9              give it to us.


           10                      MR. MINORA: Yeah, exactly, and some


           11              of it is a little more obtuse than just


           12              looking it up honestly.


           13                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Then we can vote on


           14              these as a package, Mr. Minora?


           15                      MR. MINORA: Beg your pardon?


           16                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Once you explain all


           17              of them, either vote on them as a package,


           18              is that acceptable to do that?


           19                      MR. MINORA: I'll do it any way you


           20              want.


           21                      MR. COURTRIGHT: The ones that she


           22              made here.


           23                      MS. EVANS: I'd rather go one by one.


           24                      MR. COURTRIGHT: You want to go one


           25              by one?






            1                      MS. EVANS: Yes.


            2                      MR. MCGOFF:  I tried to indicate


            3              that I thought it was more expedient to do


            4              them one at a time because there may be


            5              things that we agree to and, you know, some


            6              that we disagree with.  Rather than doing an


            7              entire package and voting yes or no when


            8              there are things that are there that are


            9              individual.


           10                      MS. GATELLI:  Yeah, but these things


           11              should be done in caucus.  They shouldn't be


           12              done on the floor.  We are going to be here


           13              until 2:00 in the morning.


           14                      MS. FANUCCI: This is the whole


           15              problem.  This is what happens because we


           16              are always --


           17                      MR. MCGOFF: I understand that, but


           18              we are here now.


           19                      MS. FANUCCI: -- motions on the floor


           20              because we not in caucus.  We have been


           21              working on this, I sat down with Stu and we


           22              have been working on this forever.


           23                      MS. GATELLI: Yeah.


           24                      MS. FANUCCI:  And now today is the


           25              day we are going to come out with the big






            1              surprise on the camera.


            2                      MS. EVANS: It's not a big surprise


            3              because this is it the fourth time now that


            4              I have done the budget work.


            5                      MS. FANUCCI: Yeah --


            6                      MS. EVANS: So it's certainly no


            7              surprise.  Secondly, I find it surprising,


            8              but also maybe a little bit offensive that


            9              we wouldn't be willing to stay here and work


           10              as long as it takes --


           11                      MS. FANUCCI:  We have been working.


           12                      MS. EVANS: -- on a budget, because I


           13              remember nights that I have sat here, and so


           14              does Mr. Courtright, until midnight or after


           15              working on things, and really of everyone


           16              that's sitting here this will be, you know,


           17              the most difficult for me to do, but I'm


           18              willing to do this because I care enough to


           19              do it.


           20                      MS. FANUCCI: Yeah, we did, too, and


           21              that's why we have been siting working with


           22              the administration to get a budget that we


           23              were happy with.


           24                      MS. EVANS: Can someone please stop


           25              turning my mic on and off?  I don't know






            1              whose doing it, but I have no hands on it,


            2              but anyway -- yes, that's great to work with


            3              the administration.  It is.  And Mr. Renda


            4              is employed by the administration, he works


            5              for the mayor, so you have worked with the


            6              administration and the mayor on the mayor's


            7              budget.


            8                      MS. FANUCCI: To make amendments.  To


            9              make amendments to the budget, yes.


           10                      MS. EVANS: So I think maybe we


           11              shouldn't be so adverse to saving the


           12              taxpayers money and taking an independent


           13              approach rather than that of the people who


           14              are employed by the mayor.  There are more


           15              than one, you know, point of view, in all of


           16              this.


           17                      MS. FANUCCI: Who did you work on the


           18              budget with this year?


           19                      MS. EVANS: No one ever does,


           20              Mrs. Fanucci.


           21                      MS. FANUCCI: Actually, the last two


           22              years I was told that you received the


           23              budget from other people, so let's not go


           24              there.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF: Please.  We have gotten






            1              off the pass here anyway.


            2                      MS. GATELLI: Well, that's the idea


            3              to get off task.  That's what it's all


            4              about.  That's what this is all about.


            5                      MS. EVANS: What is it about?


            6                      MS. GATELLI: It's all about getting


            7              off task.


            8                      MS. FANUCCI: No doubt.


            9                      MS. EVANS: I believe so.  I have


           10              been on task and Mrs. Fanucci repeatedly


           11              wants to take us down a trail of


           12              personalities and attitude of all


           13              differences.


           14                      MR. MCGOFF: Excuse me, that's not


           15              necessary.  Please let's stay to the budget


           16              and if we have something to say concerning


           17              each line item I would please discuss it --


           18                      MS. EVANS: Agreed.


           19                      MR. MCGOFF: -- and then we will


           20              vote.


           21                      MS. FANUCCI: The first one is in.


           22                      MR. MINORA:  At the present there is


           23              a motion to amend, I have read in the first


           24              item on Mrs. Gatelli's, that's on the floor


           25              for discussion, I don't know if it's ready






            1              for a vote or not.


            2                      MR. MCGOFF: Anyone else on the first


            3              part?  Please read the second amendment.


            4                      MR. MINORA:  I thought you were


            5              going to vote on them individually?


            6                      MR. MCGOFF: All those in favor


            7              signify by saying aye.


            8                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


            9                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           10                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           11                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           12                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           13              ayes have it and so moved.


           14                      MR. MINORA: The second amendment is


           15              to Account No. 01.030.00000.4010, standard


           16              salary is the account description, from


           17              $269,860 to $264,560, and that's a net


           18              decrease of $5,300 which represents the


           19              proposed increase in salary for the deputy


           20              controller, so that's a reduction of that


           21              proposed increase.


           22                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


           23              those in favor signify by saying aye.


           24                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           25                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.






            1                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


            2                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


            3                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


            4              ayes have it and so moved.


            5                      MS. EVANS: Actually, I would be --


            6              I'm going to vote no, too, that because I


            7              have a decrease in here, too, but for 59


            8              rather than 53.


            9                      MR. MCGOFF: I'm sorry.  The vote was


           10              four to one.  Thank you.


           11                      MR. MINORA: The next item is Account


           12              No. 01.040.00000.4116, health insurance from


           13              $1,007,578 to $1,025,046, which represents


           14              an increase of $17,468, which is the health


           15              insurance for the new hires that she is


           16              proposing for the assistant zoning officer,


           17              animal control and housing inspectors.


           18                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


           19              those in favor signify by saying aye.


           20                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           21                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           22                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           23                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           24                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           25              ayes have it and so moved.






            1                      MR. MINORA:  Next item is


            2              01.040.00041.4010, standard salary, from


            3              $190,211 to $180,211 representing a decrease


            4              of $10,000 which is the proposed increase to


            5              the director Lisa Moran.


            6                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?  On the


            7              question, I personally feel that the raise


            8              is warranted.  I do believe that the raise


            9              should be on the contingency that it not


           10              become effective until contracts are settled


           11              and because it's being eliminated I am going


           12              to vote no on this particular item.


           13                      MS. EVANS: I'll also be voting no


           14              because the reduction in salary that I'm


           15              proposing is higher.


           16                      MR. MCGOFF: Anybody else?  All those


           17              in favor signify by saying aye?


           18                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           19                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           20                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           21                      MR. MCGOFF:  Opposed?  No.


           22                      MS. EVANS: No.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF: The ayes have it and so


           24              moved.


           25                      MR. MINORA: The next item is






            1              01.040.00042.4390, materials and supplies


            2              miscellaneous, from $180,000 to $140,000


            3              that's a reduction of $40,000 for those


            4              items.


            5                      MR. MCGOFF: Was that --


            6                      MR. MINORA: That's the IT


            7              department.


            8                      MR. MCGOFF: That was the IT


            9              department?  On the question?  All those in


           10              favor signify by saying aye.


           11                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           12                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           13                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           14                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           15                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           16              ayes have it and so moved.


           17                      MR. MINORA:  The next item is


           18              01.051.00051.4201, professional services


           19              increase from $2,000 to $14,000 representing


           20              an increase of $12,000.


           21                      MR. COURTRIGHT: What is hat for,


           22              Mr. Minora?  Mr. Minora, what does that


           23              represent?


           24                      MR. MINORA: Give me a moment.  I


           25              have to look at my note on that one.






            1                      MS. GATELLI: Was that for the


            2              training, Amil?


            3                      MS. GARVEY: That's supposed to be as


            4              far as I know it is for a fee for whoever


            5              would get an RFP, that would be --


            6                      MS. GATELLI: Oh, okay.  That's for


            7              the rental.


            8                      MS. GARVEY:  For the rental program.


            9                      MS. GATELLI:  Okay, yes.


           10                      MS. EVANS: The rental of what?


           11                      MS. GATELLI:  We took a 10


           12              percent -- 10 percent fee to register the


           13              rental units from RFP to do that privately.


           14                      MS. EVANS: Okay.


           15                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


           16              those in favor signify by saying aye.


           17                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           18                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           19                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           20                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           21                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           22              ayes have it and so moved.


           23                      MR. MINORA: The next item is Account


           24              No. 01.051.00051.4010, standard salaries


           25              from $388,245 to $434,100, that's an






            1              increase of $45,085, which represents an


            2              increase for assistant zoning officer and an


            3              animal control officer.  I guess I should


            4              probably include those as, so they make


            5              sense, and vote the money in without voting


            6              them in.  The amendment would include then


            7              an additional assistant zoning officer at a


            8              salary of $32,855 and an animal control


            9              officer part-time for $13,000 which


           10              represents that increase that I just


           11              mentioned before of $45,855.  That's on the


           12              motion.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?


           14                      MS. EVANS: I have included an animal


           15              control officer, also, but as a full-time


           16              position as I believe that is required due


           17              to the number of complaints that we receive


           18              continually about skunks, woodchucks,


           19              squirrels, dogs, cats, and etcetera.


           20                      MR. MCGOFF: Anyone else on the


           21              question?  All in favor signify by saying


           22              aye?


           23                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           24                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           25                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.






            1                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?


            2                      MS. EVANS: No.


            3                      MR. MCGOFF: The ayes have it and so


            4              moved.


            5                      MR. MINORA: The next item is Account


            6              No. 01.011.00011.4010, standard salary from


            7              $320,640 to $376,350, which represents an


            8              increase of $55,710.  That is comprised of


            9              reducing the Director Ray Hayes' proposed


           10              salary from 75 back to his current level of


           11              $65,000 and adding two housing inspectors


           12              for a total amount of $65,710.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?  Once


           14              again, I feel that the raise to the Public


           15              Safety Director is somewhat warranted,


           16              again, with the belief that it should not


           17              become effective until such time as contacts


           18              would be settled.  I believe that what we


           19              are -- that the raises go to the position


           20              and the job that is being done and not


           21              necessarily -- and not to the persons


           22              themselves, and again, I would vote, no.


           23                      MR. COURTRIGHT: On the question,


           24              Mr. McGoff, this is getting really confusing


           25              a little bit here, but I think I got it, I






            1              think what I have to do here, I mean, I'm


            2              anticipating what Mrs. Evans is going to do,


            3              I think -- we only got two more on your list


            4              here, but I'm anticipating she is wiping out


            5              all of public safety in hers?


            6                      MS. EVANS: Well, the three positions


            7              and then the three others that had been


            8              transferred into public safety from LIPS, I


            9              believe, I'm removing from public safety and


           10              transferring back to LIPS.


           11                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Right, and my fear


           12              is this, you will be voting no on this


           13              change, he will be voting no. If I vote no,


           14              then Mr. Hayes gets a raise and Mrs. Moran


           15              doesn't.  I don't think that's fair, so I


           16              will be voting yes.  If the public could


           17              follow what I'm doing there because you will


           18              be voting no, because you are going to make


           19              your changes, he is going to be voting no.


           20              If I vote no to Mr. Hayes his $10,000 raise


           21              because I think you and I all -- I think


           22              everybody up here that knows that nobody is


           23              going to vote yes for your proposal on that


           24              particular one, let's be realistic, so I


           25              don't know if the public can understand






            1              that, why I'm doing what I'm doing.  I think


            2              people up here understand, do you not?


            3                      MS. EVANS: I think I do, yes.


            4                      MR. COURTRIGHT: This is crazy.  All


            5              right.


            6                      MR. MCGOFF:  All those in favor


            7              signify by saying aye?


            8                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


            9                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           10                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           11                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?


           12                      MS. EVANS: No.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF: The ayes have it and so


           14              moved.


           15                      MR. MINORA: Then the last item is


           16              Account No. 01.401.13090.4299 contingency


           17              fund increased from $1 million to


           18              $1,025,300.


           19                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?


           20                      MS. EVANS: I think one housing


           21              inspector is necessary, two I'd love to see


           22              it, I don't think we can afford both at this


           23              point, so I would rather that the second


           24              position go to an additional health officer.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF: We were on the






            1              contingency.


            2                      MS. EVANS: Oh, I'm sorry, I thought


            3              we are splitting -- never mind.  I thought


            4              Mr. Hayes was separate from the inspectors.


            5                      MS. GATELLI: They're all together.


            6                      MR. MCGOFF: On the contingency.  Any


            7              one else?  All in favor signify by saying


            8              aye.


            9                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           10                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           11                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           12                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?


           13                      MS. EVANS: No.


           14                      MR. MCGOFF: The ayes have it and so


           15              moved.  Anything else, Mrs. Gatelli?


           16                      MS. GATELLI: No.


           17                      MR. MCGOFF: We are still on 7-A if


           18              there any other amendments.


           19                      MS. EVANS: I'm going to begin with


           20              the office of the Mayor, a confidential


           21              secretary salary reduction in the amount of


           22              $6,688.


           23                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Are we voting on


           24              this or how are we doing this?


           25                      MS. GATELLI:  She made a motion;






            1              right?  Did you make a motion or no?


            2                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So we are going to


            3              make a motion for every one of these.


            4                      MS. EVANS: A motion that these be


            5              included and whatever is approved is what's


            6              actually going to be included if there is


            7              anything that you will approve at all, is


            8              that okay?


            9                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Yeah.


           10                      MS. EVANS: That way I don't have to


           11              keep saying, "I move, I move, I move."


           12                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I don't understand


           13              here.


           14                      MS. FANUCCI: Does it have to be


           15              seconded?


           16                      MR. MCGOFF: Yes.  No.  Okay.


           17                      MS. EVANS: Do you see what I'm


           18              saying?


           19                      MR. MCGOFF: Mrs. Evans is making a


           20              motion to include these amendments.


           21                      MR. COURTRIGHT: All of these?  We


           22              are not going to make a motion for every


           23              single one.


           24                      MR. MCGOFF: No, just as we did with


           25              Mrs. Gatelli's, but we are going to consider






            1              each one.


            2                      MS. EVANS: Right, but I don't have


            3              to say I move to move each one.


            4                      MS. FANUCCI:  Right, but it has to


            5              be seconded.


            6                      MR. MINORA: You will need a second


            7              for each one.


            8                      MS. FANUCCI: Exactly.  That's what


            9              I'm saying.


           10                      MR. MCGOFF: We need -- what we did


           11              with Mrs. Gatelli's was we seconded the


           12              proposal and then voted individually on each


           13              one.  I think we follow the same.


           14                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  We are going to


           15              second your entire proposal and then if we


           16              get -- and then if you get enough people to


           17              go along with your proposal then you will


           18              read each one.  If you don't get enough


           19              people to go along with your proposal you


           20              are not going to able to read each one;


           21              correct?


           22                      MS. EVANS:  No, each one is going to


           23              be read individually.


           24                      MR. MCGOFF: Just as we did with Mrs.


           25              Gatelli's.






            1                      MR. COURTRIGHT: All right.


            2                      MR. MCGOFF:  Please make the motion


            3              again, Mrs. Evans.


            4                      MS. EVANS: Okay.  In the Office of


            5              the Mayor --


            6                      MR. MCGOFF: Well, make a motion.


            7                      MS. EVANS: Oh, the original?  At


            8              this time I move to include the following


            9              amendments to the 2009 budget, only those


           10              amendments approved by a majority vote of


           11              council will be included in the mayor's 2009


           12              budget.


           13                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Second.


           14                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question, and we


           15              will address them.


           16                      MS. EVANS: Okay.  In the Office of


           17              the Mayor, confidential secretary salary


           18              reduction, $6,688.


           19                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?  I'm


           20              going to respond that I will vote no on


           21              most -- well, this isn't an elimination, but


           22              I'm sorry, I'll save it for the next one.


           23                      MS. EVANS: I just wanted to explain,


           24              however, that the increases that were


           25              awarded to the employees do not affect -- or






            1              rather than the increases that were awarded


            2              for the 2009 budget because of the increased


            3              work hours each day, those increases have


            4              not been eliminated.


            5                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.  On the


            6              question, number one?  All in favor signify


            7              by saying aye.


            8                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.


            9                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           10                      MR. MCGOFF: No?


           11                      MS. FANUCCI:  No.


           12                      MS. GATELLI:  No.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF:  No. The motion is --


           14              that section is defeated.


           15                      MS. EVANS: Public safety:  Eliminate


           16              the department, return three transferred


           17              positions to Department of Licenses and


           18              Inspections and Permits for a savings of


           19              $159,740.  Note:  Figure does not include


           20              cost savings for health care.


           21                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?


           22                      MR. COURTRIGHT: On the question, I'm


           23              going to vote no on this because I'm for


           24              half of what you are doing there, Mrs.


           25              Evans, and one part I'm not so that's why I






            1              will be voting no.


            2                      MS. EVANS: I see this position as a


            3              duplication of services.  We have -- or at


            4              least one would hope we have a strong and


            5              competent fire chief and police chief who


            6              require no oversight, however, if we insist


            7              on the Public Safety Department, which I'm


            8              sure everyone is aware was cut by PEL then,


            9              in fact, are we saying that we employ a


           10              incompetent police chief and an incompetent


           11              fire chief who need the oversight of a


           12              public safety director?


           13                      MS. GATELLI: Well, I don't know.  I


           14              wouldn't say that's why Jimmy Klee was there


           15              and he was a public safety director.  I


           16              don't think he was there because, you know,


           17              Murphy and Richie Piegle were incompetent.


           18                      MS. EVANS: But that position was


           19              removed and then we put it back in.


           20                      MS. GATELLI: Against strong


           21              objections.  I objected to them getting rid


           22              of Jimmy Klee's position.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF: All in favor signify by


           24              saying aye.


           25                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.






            1                      MR. MCGOFF: Opposed?  No.


            2                      MS. FANUCCI:  No.


            3                      MS. GATELLI:  No.


            4                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  No.  Motion


            5              defeated.


            6                      MS. EVANS:  Number three:  Police


            7              department, reduce dues and subscriptions


            8              $500.


            9                      MR. MCGOFF: What is it currently at?


           10                      MS. EVANS: I don't know.  It may


           11              actually be $500.  I'm just trying to find


           12              it.  It's on page 56.  It should be anyway.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.


           14                      MS. GATELLI:  It's 56, but there is


           15              $3,500 and that must be it.  It has to be


           16              that.


           17                      MR. MCGOFF: 3,500 and you wish to


           18              reduce it $3,000?


           19                      MS. EVANS: Um-hum.


           20                      MS. GATELLI:  What do they use that


           21              for, Bill, do you know?


           22                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I'm looking at 550.


           23              Where are you guys looking?


           24                      MS. GATELLI: What page are you on?


           25                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  53.






            1                      MS. EVANS: What page?


            2                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Dues and


            3              subscriptions.  Are we on -- that's in


            4              public safety.  56 was the police.  I got to


            5              be honest with you, I don't know what they


            6              contain in there.


            7                      MS. EVANS: Oh, just vote on it.


            8                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I know there are


            9              certain things they have to belong to, but I


           10              don't think $500 is going to hurt them one


           11              way or the other.  I'll go along with it.


           12                      MR. MCGOFF:  All in favor signify by


           13              saying aye.


           14                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           15                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           16                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           17                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           18                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           19              ayes have it and so moved.


           20                      MS. EVANS: Police department, chief


           21              of police salary reduction, $14,145.66.


           22                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?


           23                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Was that the salary


           24              before the increase?


           25                      MS. EVANS: This takes it down to






            1              2002 levels.  In other words, I'm taking


            2              these positions back to a level playing


            3              field with the union employees, yet, when


            4              they are under contract for the prolonged


            5              workday they would still receive the


            6              increases that would be awarded in 2009 for


            7              the additional hour they work per day.


            8                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Right.


            9                      MR. MCGOFF:  All in favor signify by


           10              saying aye.


           11                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           12                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF:  Opposed?


           14                      MS. FANUCCI: No.


           15                      MS. GATELLI: No.


           16                      MR. MCGOFF: No. Motion defeated.


           17                      MS. EVANS: Police department,


           18              eliminate assistant grants manager, $15,000.


           19                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?


           20                      MR. COURTRIGHT: On the question,


           21              who -- I'm not quite sure who that is and


           22              what they did.  Did they replace somebody?


           23                      MS. EVANS: No, that was in last


           24              year's -- well, this is a part-time position


           25              for $15,000 and we have a grant's manager






            1              with the police department.


            2                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Okay.


            3                      MR. MCGOFF:  All those in favor


            4              signify by saying aye.


            5                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.


            6                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


            7                      MR. MCGOFF: Opposed?  No. I'm sorry?


            8                      MS. FANUCCI:  No.


            9                      MS. GATELLI:  No.


           10                      MR. MCGOFF:  Motion defeated.


           11                      MS. EVANS:  Fire department, fire


           12              chief salary reduction, $12,830.90.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?  All in


           14              favor signify by saying aye.


           15                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.


           16                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           17                      MR. MCGOFF: Opposed?  No.


           18                      MS. FANUCCI:  No.


           19                      MS. GATELLI:  No.


           20                      MR. MCGOFF:  Motion defeated.


           21                      MS. EVANS:  City clerk, eliminate


           22              travel and lodging, $800.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF: You don't get to go


           24              anywhere, Mrs. Garvey.


           25                      MS. GATELLI: No, I don't.  That's






            1              for me not to go the League of Cities,


            2              that's what that's about.


            3                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?  All in


            4              favor signify by saying aye.


            5                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.


            6                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


            7                      MR. MCGOFF: Opposed?


            8                      MS. FANUCCI:  No.


            9                      MS. GATELLI:  No.


           10                      MR. MCGOFF:  No. Motion defeated.


           11                      MS. EVANS: City Clerk, City Clerk


           12              salary reduction, $4,000.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?


           14                      MS. EVANS: Yes, this affects Kay


           15              Garvey, our employee, and I know how hard


           16              she works, I know how hard Neil works and


           17              how hard Sue works, but I don't believe in


           18              rewarding some and not rewarding others.  I


           19              think there should be equal justice under


           20              God.  Everybody gets a raise or they don't.


           21                      MR. MCGOFF: Anyone else?


           22                      MR. COURTRIGHT: On the question, I


           23              had thought back as far as when Jay Saunders


           24              was there that the city's clerk position,


           25              way back when I first got here, was less --






            1              the department head, there is five of us


            2              here that they got to handle and I thought


            3              that the other department heads were making


            4              more and I actually thought that that was --


            5              they were being lowballed back then so that


            6              was my opinion and I still have that


            7              opinion.


            8                      MR. MCGOFF:  All in favor signify by


            9              saying aye.


           10                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.  Oh, no.


           11                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           12                      MR. MCGOFF: Opposed?  No.


           13                      MS. FANUCCI:  No.


           14                      MS. GATELLI:  No.


           15                      MR. COURTRIGHT: No.


           16                      MR. MCGOFF:  No.


           17                      MS. EVANS: City clerk solicitor


           18              salary, $20,000.


           19                      MR. COURTRIGHT: On the question,


           20              again, I was very upset when I came onto


           21              council and the mayor reduced our


           22              solicitor's salary by $18,000 right out of


           23              shoot, and I believed that and I believe now


           24              it was for no other reason other than the


           25              fact that it was political, and somebody had






            1              made a comment, you know, he was a new


            2              solicitor coming in, who happened to be Mark


            3              Walsh at the time, and he had been a lawyer


            4              for a long time, and I think the solicitor


            5              job in our office entails an awful lot.


            6                      MS. EVANS: I would agree with that


            7              these days particularly with the number of


            8              lawsuits that are being filed against


            9              council, but again, I'm trying to utilize a


           10              level playing field here and not play


           11              favors.  That's all.


           12                      MR. MCGOFF: All in favor signify by


           13              saying aye?


           14                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           15                      MR. MCGOFF: Opposed?


           16                      MR. COURTRIGHT: No.


           17                      MS. FANUCCI:  No.


           18                      MS. GATELLI:  No.


           19                      MR. MCGOFF:  No. Motion defeated.


           20                      MS. EVANS: Controllor's Office,


           21              solicitor's salary reduction $5,200.


           22                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?


           23                      MR. COURTRIGHT: On the question, did


           24              he get an increase or when would that take


           25              place?






            1                      MS. EVANS:  This is beyond the --


            2                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Oh, we are going


            3              back to 2008.


            4                      MS. EVANS: But not this year.


            5                      MR. MCGOFF: All in favor signify by


            6              saying aye.


            7                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


            8                      MR. MCGOFF: Opposed?


            9                      MR. COURTRIGHT: No.


           10                      MS. FANUCCI:  No.


           11                      MS. GATELLI:  No.


           12                      MR. MCGOFF:  No. Motion defeated.


           13                      MS. EVANS: Controller's Office,


           14              confidential secretary, $5,749.


           15                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?


           16                      MR. COURTRIGHT: On the question, is


           17              this a nonunionized employee?  Is this the


           18              salary that -- would you bring it back you


           19              said would include the increase the


           20              unionized employees got or not.


           21                      MS. EVANS: Yes, because everyone is


           22              working that additional time, not just


           23              these --


           24                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  So even with this


           25              taken out they are still getting the raise






            1              the union employees got?


            2                      MS. EVANS: Yes.


            3                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?  All in


            4              favor say aye.


            5                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


            6                      MR. MCGOFF: Opposed?


            7                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  No.


            8                      MS. FANUCCI:  No.


            9                      MS. GATELLI:  No.


           10                      MR. MCGOFF:  Motion defeated.


           11                      MS. EVANS: Controller's Office,


           12              deputy controller salary reduction, $5,900.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?  All


           14              those in favor signify by saying aye.


           15                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           16                      MR. MCGOFF: Opposed?


           17                      MR. COURTRIGHT: No.


           18                      MS. FANUCCI:  No.


           19                      MS. GATELLI:  No.


           20                      MR. MCGOFF:  No.


           21                      MS. GATELLI: Wait a minute, that was


           22              taken out in mine for $5,300 and we all


           23              three of us passed it so this with one


           24              should be removed.  You can't vote on the


           25              same thing again.






            1                      MS. EVANS:  Well, it's different in


            2              that it was more money.  Okay, Controller's


            3              Office, program monitor salary reduction,


            4              $900.


            5                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?  All in


            6              favor signify by saying aye.


            7                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


            8                      MR. MCGOFF: Opposed?


            9                      MR. COURTRIGHT: No.


           10                      MS. FANUCCI:  No.


           11                      MS. GATELLI:  No.


           12                      MR. MCGOFF:  No.


           13                      MS. EVANS: Controller's Office,


           14              perform auditor's salary reduction, 5,900.


           15                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?  All


           16              those in favor signify by saying aye.


           17                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           18                      MR. MCGOFF: Opposed?


           19                      MR. COURTRIGHT: No.


           20                      MS. FANUCCI:  No.


           21                      MS. GATELLI:  No.


           22                      MR. MCGOFF:  No.


           23                      MS. EVANS: The Department of


           24              Business Administration, travel and lodging


           25              reduction, $1,500.






            1                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?  Does


            2              anyone know what it's at by any chance?


            3                      MS. GATELLI: I don't know.


            4                      MS. EVANS: 1,500.  It's on page 37.


            5                      MR. MCGOFF: It's at 1,500 now.


            6                      MS. EVANS: Yes, it is.


            7                      MR. MCGOFF:  It would be eliminated


            8              then.


            9                      MS. EVANS: Yes, it would.


           10                      MR. MCGOFF: All in favor signify by


           11              saying aye.


           12                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.


           13                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           14                      MR. MCGOFF: Opposed?  No.


           15                      MS. FANUCCI:  No.


           16                      MS. GATELLI:  No.


           17                      MR. MCGOFF:  Motion defeated.


           18                      MS. EVANS: Business administration,


           19              training and certification reduction, 1,000.


           20                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?  All


           21              those in favor signify by saying aye.


           22                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.


           23                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           24                      MR. MCGOFF: Opposed?  No.


           25                      MS. FANUCCI:  No.






            1                      MS. GATELLI:  No.


            2                      MS. EVANS: Business Administration,


            3              SPA citation issuers $670,664.  According to


            4              the agreement between the city and SPA only


            5              10 percent of the revenues are to be paid to


            6              the SPA.  Now, I doubt very much that the


            7              city is bringing in close to $7 million from


            8              parking meters.  In addition to that, last


            9              year, at least, there were only five


           10              citation issuers employed at the Scranton


           11              Parking Authority, so why we are paying the


           12              Parking Authority close to $1 million every


           13              year and growing I don't know and no one has


           14              ever provided that answer suitably or


           15              responsibly.


           16                      MR. COURTRIGHT: On the question, I


           17              don't know the answer to the question


           18              Mrs. Evans stated, also, so I'll be agreeing


           19              to this one.


           20                      MR. MCGOFF: All those in favor


           21              signify by saying aye.


           22                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.


           23                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           24                      MR. MCGOFF: Opposed?  No.


           25                      MS. FANUCCI:  No.






            1                      MS. GATELLI:  No.


            2                      MS. FANUCCI: Can I make some type of


            3              motion here, as much fun as this is, can we


            4              figure out maybe what you and Mrs. Evans


            5              will decide on and then we will put it to a


            6              vote and then see if maybe there is other


            7              agreements, instead of going down the next


            8              42 pages of fun.  I mean, we did this in the


            9              back room, we have all been working on this


           10              and the fact that we didn't get to do this


           11              or I would just a make a motion now to --


           12              and I will do that, I make a motion that we


           13              accept the amendments that was made in the


           14              budget with Mrs. Evans --


           15                      MR. MCGOFF: There is already a


           16              motion on the floor.


           17                      MS. FANUCCI: Well, then why don't we


           18              make that motion and finish it so that we


           19              can move on with this.  This is nothing but


           20              another hit list from last year.


           21                      MS. EVANS: Excuse me, this is what?


           22              Excuse me, this is what?


           23                      MS. FANUCCI: Excuse me?  No, we are


           24              going to finish voting on it.


           25                      MS. EVANS: Oh, I know, but what was






            1              the comment prior to that?


            2                      MS. FANUCCI: It's another one of


            3              your hit lists the same as last year.


            4                      MS. EVANS: Actually, no, it's not


            5              the same as last year, but if you ever cared


            6              to really look at this --


            7                      MS. FANUCCI: Oh, I do.


            8                      MS. EVANS: You would know that, but


            9              I think maybe more than looking at this.


           10              Maybe you ought to look at this, okay? (Mrs.


           11              Evans holds up newspaper.)  Why don't you


           12              take a good look at the lines of people


           13              waiting for food this year all the way down


           14              North Washington Avenue and all the way up


           15              this street to the children's library.


           16                      MR. MCGOFF: Please.  Please.


           17                      MS. EVANS: Next to that is a


           18              headline, "Reports depict a battered


           19              economy, joblessness, helplessness, spending


           20              and orders to --"


           21                      MR. MCGOFF: Mrs. Evans, please, we


           22              are on your amendments.


           23                      MS. EVANS:  Yes, we are.


           24                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.


           25                      MS. EVANS: And it's ashame, isn't






            1              it, that there isn't anybody who is


            2              interested in saving money for the taxpayers


            3              because I guess these people they just don't


            4              matter.


            5                      MS. FANUCCI: That's not true.


            6                      MS. EVANS: The political appointees


            7              we should all be very sorry for.


            8                      MR. MCGOFF: Excuse me, we have been


            9              going through everything that you have --


           10                      MS. EVANS: Yes, we have, and I thank


           11              you for that, Mr. McGoff, for the reasonable


           12              attitude that you have taken.


           13                      Number 18, Business Administration,


           14              BA salary reduction, $8,100.


           15                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?  All in


           16              favor signify by saying aye.


           17                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.


           18                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           19                      MR. MCGOFF: Opposed?  No.


           20                      MS. FANUCCI:  No.


           21                      MS. GATELLI:  No.


           22                      MR. MCGOFF:  No.


           23                      MS. EVANS:  Business administration,


           24              finance manager salary reduction, $4,000.


           25                      MR. COURTRIGHT: On the question,






            1              whose position is that?  Sometimes if you


            2              tell me the person's name I know better what


            3              they do because the title is confusing me


            4              here.  Do we know whose job that is and what


            5              they do?


            6                      MS. EVANS:  Maybe Kay does.  I don't


            7              know names.


            8                      MR. COURTRIGHT: If I ask names,


            9              these titles I don't know exactly who they


           10              are --


           11                      MS. EVANS: A lot of positions were


           12              added to that office when the mayor came on


           13              board.


           14                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Right.


           15                      MS. EVANS: Management positions.


           16                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  I don't know if


           17              this is right to say, because I know they


           18              took out some union positions and replaced


           19              it with nonunion positions, that's what I'm


           20              trying to figure out what job that is?  Do


           21              you know whose job that is, Kay?


           22                      MS. GARVEY: I believe I do.


           23                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Would you mind


           24              telling me?


           25                      MS. GARVEY: Mary Lou Murray.






            1                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Okay.


            2                       MR. MCGOFF: All in favor signify by


            3              saying aye.


            4                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


            5                      MR. MCGOFF: Opposed?


            6                      MS. FANUCCI:  No.


            7                      MS. GATELLI:  No.


            8                      MR. MCGOFF:  No.


            9                      MS. EVANS: Business administration,


           10              eliminate financial analyst, $35,000.  No,


           11              figure doe not including cost savings from


           12              health care.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?


           14                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Kay, would you mind


           15              telling me who that is?  I apologize, but


           16              the title doesn't allow me to know what they


           17              do.  I know the person.


           18                      MS. EVANS: They still have quite a


           19              number employed in the office.


           20                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Who is that, Kay.


           21                      MS. GARVEY: There are two people,


           22              I'm not sure who holds what that position


           23              there.  Mary Maroon is one, and Sal Catarino


           24              is the other one.


           25                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  All right.






            1                      MR. MCGOFF: All in favor signify by


            2              saying aye.


            3                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


            4                      MR. MCGOFF: Opposed?


            5                      MR. COURTRIGHT: No.


            6                      MS. FANUCCI:  No.


            7                      MS. GATELLI:  No.


            8                      MR. MCGOFF:  No.


            9                      MS. EVANS:  Human Resources, reduce


           10              professional services, eliminate ADP,


           11              $41,000.  And note, the city employees two


           12              payroll clerks and utilize an in-house


           13              parole department until the mayor hired ADP.


           14              Also, no dates are contained in the ADP


           15              contract, however, the mayor's budget


           16              indicates that there has been an increase in


           17              that contract for 2009.


           18                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question.


           19                      MR. COURTRIGHT: On the question,


           20              this one I'm for.


           21                      MR. MCGOFF: All those in favor


           22              signify by saying aye.


           23                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.


           24                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF: Opposed?






            1                      MS. FANUCCI:  No.


            2                      MS. GATELLI:  No.


            3                      MR. MCGOFF:  No.


            4                      MS. EVANS: Human resources,


            5              eliminate travel and lodging, $1,500.


            6                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


            7              in favor signify by saying aye.


            8                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.


            9                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           10                      MR. MCGOFF: Opposed?  No.


           11                      MS. FANUCCI:  No.


           12                      MS. GATELLI:  No.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF: While you're looking


           14              that up or if you wanted to, I was just


           15              going to mention that I started to say


           16              earlier that I was going to vote no against


           17              any elimination of position, perhaps that


           18              some of it could be expedited.  We could


           19              read through them, does anyone else feel the


           20              same way that we are not going to --


           21                      MS. FANUCCI: I'm certainly not going


           22              to vote for any elimination of positions.


           23                      MS. GATELLI:  No.


           24                      MR. MCGOFF: I don't know that we


           25              can -- can we make a vote that any






            1              elimination of positions would, you know --


            2                      MS. EVANS: That's fine.


            3                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Make a motion and


            4              second it.


            5                      MS. EVANS: Go ahead.


            6                      MR. MCGOFF:  Well, all those in


            7              favor of elimination of any positions in the


            8              budget signify by saying aye?


            9                      MS. EVANS: Aye.


           10                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.


           11                      MR. MCGOFF: Those opposed?  No.


           12                      MS. GATELLI:  No.


           13                      MS. FANUCCI: No.


           14                      MS. EVANS: We'll eliminate those


           15              now.


           16                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So you won't have to


           17              read those.


           18                      MS. FANUCCI: Right.


           19                      MS. GATELLI: But I wanted to go one


           20              by one with them.


           21                      MS. EVANS: Well, now it's too late.


           22                      MR. MCGOFF: I was trying to expedite


           23              things here.


           24                      MS. COURTRIGHT: This is going to go


           25              down in history.






            1                      MS. EVANS: Director's salary


            2              reduction $22,000.


            3                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question.


            4                      MS. EVANS: Again, I'm taking this


            5              back to that level initially --


            6                      MS. GATELLI: Whoever is going to be


            7              watching this is going to have it turned off


            8              by now.


            9                      MS. EVANS: I don't care.  I'm


           10              talking about human resources.


           11                      MS. GATELLI: Are you on 22?


           12                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Twenty-three right


           13              now.


           14                      MS. EVANS: And the salary I believe


           15              initially, well, actually if you read the


           16              note, "Figure includes current $10,000 raise


           17              and $12,000 of a prior $17,100 raise.


           18              $5,100 is retained for PEL director duties.


           19                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


           20              in favor signify by saying aye.


           21                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           22                      MR. MCGOFF: Opposed?  No.


           23                      MS. FANUCCI:  No.


           24                      MS. GATELLI:  No.


           25                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  No.






            1                      MS. EVANS: And we'll skip 24.


            2              Actually, I have 24 twice, so anyway, the IT


            3              we'll skip that and go to the next page.


            4              Information technology, computer support


            5              specialist's salary reduction $5,000.


            6                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


            7              in favor say aye.


            8                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


            9                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.


           10                      MR. MCGOFF: No.


           11                      MS. FANUCCI:  No.


           12                      MS. GATELLI:  No.


           13                      MS. EVANS: IT, eliminate


           14              professional services, $40,000.


           15                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?


           16                      MS. EVANS: I have noticed in the


           17              last two years even, you know, we have had a


           18              tremendous amount of money placed in that


           19              department and we also have a tremendous


           20              amount of budget transfers taking that money


           21              out of that department and putting it


           22              elsewhere so much so that I noticed even in


           23              the mayor's budget he is has whittled down


           24              some of what he has normally done all of


           25              these years by placing money in there only






            1              to be pumping it out into some other place.


            2                      MR. MCGOFF:  Anyone else on the


            3              question?  All in favor signify by saying


            4              aye.


            5                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.


            6                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


            7                      MR. MCGOFF: Opposed?


            8                      MS. FANUCCI:  No.


            9                      MS. GATELLI:  No.


           10                      MR. MCGOFF: No.


           11                      MS. EVANS: Information technology,


           12              eliminate travel and lodging, $1,500.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


           14              in favor signify by saying aye.


           15                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.


           16                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           17                      MR. MCGOFF: Opposed?


           18                      MS. FANUCCI:  No.


           19                      MS. GATELLI:  No.


           20                      MR. MCGOFF: No.


           21                      MS. EVANS: Information technology,


           22              eliminate training and certification,


           23              $2,000.


           24                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


           25              in favor signify by saying aye.






            1                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


            2                      MR. MCGOFF: Opposed?


            3                      MR. COURTRIGHT: No.


            4                      MS. FANUCCI:  No.


            5                      MS. GATELLI:  No.


            6                      MR. MCGOFF: No.


            7                      MS. EVANS: Twenty-nine, city


            8              treasury, treasurer's salary reduction


            9              $14,433.


           10                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


           11              in favor signify by saying aye.


           12                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.


           13                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           14                      MR. MCGOFF: Opposed?


           15                      MS. FANUCCI:  No.


           16                      MS. GATELLI:  No.


           17                      MR. MCGOFF: No.


           18                      MS. EVANS: Thirty does not require a


           19              vote because it does not effect the general


           20              fund, it involves OECD salaries that could


           21              be increased -- or decrease rather and then


           22              it comes to $164,884.50 that could be cut


           23              from OECD expenses freeing those monies to


           24              be included in CDBG or ESG allocations, but


           25              that figure has no bearing on the general






            1              budget.


            2                      Thirty-one.  LIPS, eliminate deputy


            3              director, safety and conservation, 34,000.


            4              Oh, sorry, I'm not supposed to read that, so


            5              we'll skip to 32.


            6                      MS. GATELLI: Read them, read them.


            7              I want to hear the vote.


            8                      MS. EVANS: Well, I don't understand,


            9              go back to 31?


           10                      MS. GATELLI: No.


           11                      MR. MCGOFF: Thirty-two.  LIPS Zoning


           12              Officer salary reduction, return to union


           13              position $40, 012.


           14                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


           15              those in favor signify by saying aye.


           16                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.


           17                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           18                      MR. MCGOFF: Opposed?  No.


           19                      MS. GATELLI: No.


           20                      MR.  MCGOFF: What was your vote,


           21              Mrs. Fanucci.


           22                      MS. FANUCCI:  I'm sorry.  Go ahead.


           23              I was trying to figure out who went after.


           24              No.  I'm going to vote no.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.






            1                      MS. EVANS: The law department,


            2              eliminate professional services, $200,000.


            3                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?


            4                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Could I get a


            5              clarification on that, what that is and


            6              where that's coming from the $200,000.


            7                      MS. EVANS: Professional services.


            8              Those would be basically the attorneys --


            9              the law firms that are hired, for example,


           10              to handle the union negotiations, there is


           11              one.  Worker's compensation cases, there is


           12              another.  You know, we have got -- and


           13              people that are not on the payroll whose


           14              names I see attached to everything like Sean


           15              McDonough and the Doherty Law Firm and, you


           16              know, what's his name, Dick Goldberg and his


           17              firm, and so I'm sure that's where this


           18              money is going.


           19                      MR. MCGOFF:  All in favor signify by


           20              saying aye.


           21                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.


           22                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF: Opposed?  No.


           24                      MS. FANUCCI:  No.


           25                      MS. GATELLI:  No.






            1                      MS. EVANS:  Law department,


            2              eliminate training and certification,


            3              $1,500.


            4                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


            5              in favor signify by saying aye.


            6                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


            7                      MR. MCGOFF: Opposed?  No.


            8                      MR. COURTRIGHT: No.


            9                      MS. FANUCCI:  No.


           10                      MS. GATELLI:  No.


           11                      MS. EVANS:  Law Department,


           12              eliminate first assistant city solicitor,


           13              $40,000.  No job creation in 2004.


           14                      MS. GATELLI: That's Gene Hickey;


           15              right?


           16                      MS. EVANS: Um-hum.


           17                      MR. MCGOFF:  All in favor signify by


           18              saying aye.


           19                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.


           20                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           21                      MR. MCGOFF: Opposed?  No.


           22                      MS. FANUCCI:  No.


           23                      MS. GATELLI:  No.


           24                      MS. EVANS: Law department, eliminate


           25              assistant city solicitor?  I'm sorry.  Skip






            1              it.  Skip it; right?


            2                      MR. MCGOFF: Yes.


            3                      MS. EVANS: And we skip 37.


            4                      MR. MCGOFF: Yes.


            5                      MS. EVANS:  Okay, 38, traffic


            6              maintenance, foreman's salary reduction


            7              $6,200.


            8                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


            9              in favor signify by saying aye.


           10                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           11                      MR. MCGOFF: Opposed?  No.


           12                      MR. COURTRIGHT: No.


           13                      MS. FANUCCI:  No.


           14                      MS. GATELLI:  No.


           15                      MS. EVANS: DPW director's salary


           16              reduction, twenty-five two.


           17                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?


           18                      MS. EVANS: Yes, I know that


           19              Mr. Brazil does a wonderful job, but


           20              basically he is earning the same amount of


           21              money that Mr. Parker did for serving as an


           22              engineer and director of DPW.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF:  Anyone else?  All in


           24              favor signify by saying aye.


           25                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.






            1                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


            2                      MR. MCGOFF: Opposed?  No.


            3                      MS. FANUCCI:  No.


            4                      MS. GATELLI:  No.


            5                      MS. EVANS: DPW Highways, foreman


            6              salary reduction $6,200.


            7                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


            8              in favor signify by saying aye.


            9                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           10                      MR. MCGOFF: Opposed?  No.


           11                      MR. COURTRIGHT: No.


           12                      MS. FANUCCI:  No.


           13                      MS. GATELLI:  No.


           14                      MS. EVANS: DPW refuse workmen's


           15              salary reduction, $6,200.


           16                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


           17              in favor signify by saying aye.


           18                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           19                      MR. MCGOFF: Opposed?  No.


           20                      MR. COURTRIGHT: No.


           21                      MS. FANUCCI:  No.


           22                      MS. GATELLI:  No.


           23                      MS. EVANS: DPW refuse, recycling


           24              coordinator's salary reduction $6,200.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All






            1              in favor signify by saying aye.


            2                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


            3                      MR. MCGOFF: Opposed?  No.


            4                      MS. FANUCCI:  No.


            5                      MS. EVANS: Well, gee that was --


            6              three people voted.  So we'll just assume


            7              you are with the majority.


            8                      DPW garages --


            9                      MS. GATELLI: Who didn't vote? Me and


           10              Bill didn't vote.


           11                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I thought I did.


           12                      MS. EVANS:  DPW garages, eliminate--


           13                      MS. GATELLI: I hope they don't do


           14              this up the street tonight and eliminate the


           15              nurse at West Scranton High School.


           16                      MS. EVANS: DPW garages, manager's


           17              salary reduction, $3,200.


           18                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


           19              in favor signify by saying aye.


           20                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           21                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.


           22                      MR. MCGOFF: Opposed?  No.


           23                      MS. FANUCCI:  No.


           24                      MS. GATELLI:  No.


           25                      MS. EVANS: Single Tax Office, tax






            1              collector's salary reduction $4,150.02 and


            2              that comes only from the city's portion of


            3              the salary as we know the other 50 percent


            4              is paid by the school district.


            5                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


            6              in favor signify by saying aye.


            7                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


            8                      MR. MCGOFF: Opposed?  No.


            9                      MR. COURTRIGHT: No.


           10                      MS. FANUCCI:  No.


           11                      MS. GATELLI:  No.


           12                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I abstain.


           13                      MS. EVANS: Single Tax Office, chief


           14              clerk's salary reduction $4,896.28.


           15                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


           16              in favor signify by saying aye.


           17                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           18                      MR. MCGOFF: Opposed?  No.


           19                      MR. COURTRIGHT: No.


           20                      MS. FANUCCI:  No.


           21                      MS. GATELLI:  No.


           22                      MS. EVANS: Parks and Rec, eliminate


           23              travel and lodging, $1,000.


           24                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


           25              in favor signify by saying aye.






            1                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


            2                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.


            3                      MR. MCGOFF: Opposed?  No.


            4                      MS. FANUCCI:  No.


            5                      MS. GATELLI:  No.


            6                      MS. EVANS: Parks and Recs, eliminate


            7              performing acts, $12,500.


            8                      MR. MCGOFF:  That's just a budget


            9              item, that's not a person?


           10                      MS. EVANS: That's not a person, no,


           11              and there are budget categories towards the


           12              very end where, for example, the funding is


           13              for the Everhart Museums.


           14                      MR. MCGOFF: Understood.  I just


           15              wanted to make sure.


           16                      MS. GATELLI:  It's for different


           17              programs.


           18                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


           19              in favor signify by saying aye.


           20                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           21                      MR. MCGOFF: Opposed?  No.


           22                      MR. COURTRIGHT: No.


           23                      MS. FANUCCI:  No.


           24                      MS. GATELLI:  No.


           25                      MS. EVANS:  Parks and Rec, capital






            1              expenditures reduction, $175,000?


            2                      MR. COURTRIGHT: What capital


            3              expenditures do we have in here?  Do you


            4              know what they are?


            5                      MS. EVANS: Pardon?


            6                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Capital


            7              expenditures.


            8                      MS. EVANS: Included in that is the


            9              greenhouse.


           10                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Okay.


           11                      MR. MCGOFF:  Anyone else?  All in


           12              favor signify by saying aye.


           13                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           14                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.


           15                      MR. MCGOFF: Opposed?  No.


           16                      MS. FANUCCI:  No.


           17                      MS. GATELLI:  No.


           18                      MS. EVANS: Parks and Rec, director


           19              salary reduction, $10,200.


           20                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


           21              in favor signify by saying aye.


           22                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF: Opposed?  No.


           24                      MR. COURTRIGHT: No.


           25                      MS. FANUCCI:  No.






            1                      MS. GATELLI:  No.


            2                      MS. EVANS:  I'm going to skip the


            3              next three because they were job


            4              eliminations in parks and recs, but I do


            5              want to say they were management positions,


            6              and it does seem a bit absurd to have five


            7              managers who oversee eight workers and one


            8              secretary.


            9                      Fifty-three, an operating transfer


           10              to debt service South Side library,


           11              eliminate $100,000.


           12                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question.  On


           13              this one I'm personally in favor of the


           14              South Scranton library and would like to see


           15              it, the building transformed.  All in favor


           16              signify by saying aye.


           17                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           18                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.


           19                      MR. MCGOFF: Opposed?  No.


           20                      MR. COURTRIGHT: No.


           21                      MS. FANUCCI:  No.


           22                      MS. GATELLI:  No.


           23                      MS. EVANS: Then if you would go to


           24              the next page, LIPS, add one animal control


           25              officer for $32,855.






            1                      MR. MCGOFF: I think that --


            2                      MS. GATELLI: We added a part-time.


            3                      MR. COURTRIGHT: The part-time covers


            4              it.


            5                      MS. EVANS:  So you are not


            6              interested in a full-time person?


            7                      MR. MCGOFF: I think part-time --


            8              personally I voted for that because I


            9              thought part-time was sufficient.


           10                      MS. EVANS: Okay.  What about a


           11              health inspector at $32,855?


           12                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


           13              in favor signify by saying aye.


           14                      MS. EVANS: Aye.


           15                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           16                      THE COURT:  Opposed?


           17                      MR. MCGOFF: No.


           18                      MS. FANUCCI: No.


           19                      MS. GATELLI: No.


           20                      MS. EVANS:  Add one housing


           21              inspector.  Well, we already have two, so


           22              forget that.  We don't need the


           23              administrative assistant in the law


           24              departments because we prefer to keep all of


           25              the attorneys plus all of the outside law






            1              firms.  Here's an interesting one, like I


            2              said, there is no money in that budget to do


            3              an audit of the tax office, which is


            4              required by law of the controller's office,


            5              so you might want to think about providing


            6              some money for that since the mayor forgot


            7              about it.


            8                      MR. MCGOFF: That's an interesting


            9              item.  Where would $40,000 come from?  I


           10              remember guess, you know, from what we have


           11              done so far --


           12                      MS. EVANS: Well, I don't know, I


           13              guess contingency because you didn't really


           14              make any cuts, so you would have to take it


           15              from contingency, otherwise, you know, you


           16              can't go along and just not do an audit


           17              again for another year.


           18                      MR. MCGOFF: I would believe that


           19              this is something that should be done.


           20              There should be an audit done on the


           21              controller's office and if we need to add


           22              costs to do that I believe that's necessary.


           23              All in favor -- or anyone else on the


           24              question?  All in favor signify by saying


           25              aye.






            1                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


            2                      MR. MCGOFF: Aye.


            3                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.


            4                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


            5                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


            6                      MR. MCGOFF: The ayes have it and so


            7              moved.


            8                      MS. EVANS: Thank you all for your


            9              indulgence.


           10                      MR. MCGOFF: Now that we have done


           11              the -- I'm sorry, did you have --


           12                      MS. EVANS: No, I was just going to


           13              say that what was it maybe one out of 54.


           14              That's quite an average.


           15                      MR. MCGOFF: You wouldn't make the


           16              major leagues on that batting average.


           17                      MS. EVANS: No, I certainly wouldn't.


           18              That must be why I'm not wealthy.


           19                      MR. MCGOFF: I believe now we are


           20              reading 7-A as amended.


           21                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Read 7-A as amended,


           22              Kay.


           23                      MS. GARVEY:  I'm still catching up


           24              on the amendments, you'll have to wait.


           25                      MS. EVANS:  They were all no so you






            1              don't have to catchup.


            2                      MS. GARVEY: No, there were two yeses


            3              that I have on here that all council have


            4              agreed to.


            5                      MR. MCGOFF: Yes.


            6                      MS. GARVEY: One was for dues and


            7              subscriptions on page 56 from $3,500 to


            8              $3,000 and the other one was for $40,000


            9              from I guess contingency for the


           10              Controller's Office to do an audit of the


           11              Single Tax Office.  They are the two that I


           12              have that were --


           13                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.


           14                      MS. GARVEY: 7-A. A. FOR




           16              FOR ADOPTION - FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 49, 2008






           19              THE FIRST DAY OF JANUARY 2009 TO AND


           20              INCLUDING DECEMBER 31, 2009 BY THE ADOPTION




           22              YEAR 2009.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF: What is the


           24              recommendation for the Chairperson for the


           25              Committee on Finance?






            1                      MS. GATELLI: As Chair for the


            2              Committee on Finance, I recommend final


            3              passage of 7-A.


            4                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.


            5                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?


            6                      MS. EVANS: Yes.  Just briefly, once


            7              again the majority has spoken and the


            8              winners or losers tonight are not the


            9              members of city council, rather, it is you,


           10              the taxpayers.


           11                      MS. GATELLI:  I would just like to


           12              make one comment, that I'm very pleased that


           13              we did not raise the taxes and there was no


           14              borrowing, so I'm very happy about that.


           15                      MR. MCGOFF:  Roll call, please.


           16                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.


           17                      MS. EVANS:  No.


           18                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Gatelli.


           19                      MS. GATELLI.  Yes.


           20                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.


           21                      MS. FANUCCI:  Yes.


           22                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. Courtright.


           23                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  No.


           24                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes.  I hereby declare






            1              Item 7-A legally and lawfully adopted.


            2                      MS. GARVEY: 7-B. FOR CONSIDERATION -




            4              FOR ADOPTION - RESOLUTION NO. 85, 2008 -




            6              CITY OFFICIALS TO EXECUTE AND APPLY FOR A


            7              GRANT THROUGH THE COMMONWEALTH OF




            9              ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT (DCED) FOR A GROWING


           10              GREENER II MAIN STREET AND DOWNTOWN


           11              REDEVELOPMENT GRANT IN THE AMOUNT OF


           12              $250,000.00.  IF THE GRANT APPLICATION IS


           13              SUCCESSFUL, THE GRANT FUNDS WILL BE


           14              DISTRIBUTED TO THE 500 LACKAWANNA




           16              NAMED AS "500 LACKAWANNA AVENUE


           17              REDEVELOPMENT PROJECT" TO BE USED FOR


           18              BUILDING RENOVATIONS.


           19                      MR. MCGOFF: You have heard Reading


           20              by title of Item 7 -- what is the


           21              recommendation of the Chairperson for the


           22              Committee on Community Development.


           23                      MS. FANUCCI: As Chairperson for the


           24              Committee on Community Development, I


           25              recommend final passage of Item 7-B.






            1                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Second.


            2                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?


            3                      MS. EVANS: Buona Pizza continues to


            4              fight in court to keep it's business on


            5              Lackawanna Avenue while Coney Island is


            6              paying for it's own renovations.  These are


            7              two anchor businesses that have paid taxes


            8              for decades.  This development company has


            9              already received excessive financial


           10              assistance from the state and the city,


           11              meanwhile, our government is struggling to


           12              cut the state budget to avoid deficit


           13              problems.  Therefore, I will be voting, no.


           14                      MR. MCGOFF: Roll call, please?  Roll


           15              call, please.


           16                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.


           17                      MS. EVANS:  No.


           18                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Gatelli.


           19                      MS. GATELLI.  Yes.


           20                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.


           21                      MS. FANUCCI:  Yes.


           22                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. Courtright.


           23                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Yes.


           24                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes.  I hereby declare






            1              Item 7-B legally and lawfully adopted.


            2                      MS. GARVEY: 7-C.  FOR CONSIDERATION


            3              BY THE COMMITTEE ON RULES - FOR ADOPTION -


            4              RESOLUTION NO. 86, 2008 - AUTHORIZING THE




            6              TO EXECUTE AND ENTER INTO A CONTRACT FOR




            8              CARL J. GRECO, P.C. FOR LEGAL SERVICES




           10              TO THE OFFICE OF ECONOMIC AND COMMUNITY


           11              DEVELOPMENT ("OECD"), URBAN RENEWAL PROCESS


           12              AND PROCEDURE, EMINENT DOMAIN






           15              AND DEED PREPARATION.


           16                      MR. MCGOFF: As Chairperson for the


           17              Committee on Rules, I recommend final


           18              passage of Item 7-C.


           19                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.


           20                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?


           21                      MS. EVANS: Am I to assume that this


           22              contract covers the Scranton Redevelopment


           23              Authority as well as OECD or am I going to


           24              see another $150,000 contract coming down


           25              the pipeline soon?  This is for both?  Okay.






            1                      MS. GATELLI:  And before -- are you


            2              done?


            3                      MS. EVANS: No, but that's okay, I'll


            4              return to it.


            5                      MS. GATELLI: I don't know if now is


            6              the time, but I would like to amend it to


            7              $125,000.


            8                      MS. FANUCCI:  I'll second that.


            9                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the motion to amend


           10              the amount to $125,000?


           11                      MS. GATELLI: My reason is -- for


           12              increasing it at all is because there have


           13              been many Right-to-Know requests which have


           14              caused the contract to exceed what we


           15              normally do.  I think that we should


           16              appropriate that money.  I think that the


           17              people do have a right for their, you know,


           18              items to be answered, but by the same token


           19              the attorney has to review them all and I


           20              think that, you know, he should be


           21              compensated.  I have a list, and even though


           22              we didn't -- I don't know if everybody got a


           23              copy, I just got a copy of it and I


           24              certainly will leave it here to share with


           25              all of you, but as of October Mr. Greco had






            1              already used $117,690.  I do recall that one


            2              time his contract was not brought up at city


            3              council, he went to court and he got paid.


            4                        So even if we don't want to pay


            5              him, you know, if he goes to court and


            6              proves that he did the work he is going to


            7              get paid.  Maybe we don't like Carl Greco,


            8              maybe you don't like him because he


            9              contributes to the mayor's campaign, but


           10              OECD has always had an attorney and his fee


           11              is not -- I don't know, it might be $5


           12              higher now than it was when I was there many


           13              moons ago, so the fee is really not that


           14              high considering the work and I do have all


           15              of the Right-to-Know requests and what they


           16              have costed since the beginning of the year


           17              if anyone cares to look at it, but I do


           18              think $150 is beyond, and I'm stretching it


           19              with $125,000.  I really would like to keep


           20              it at a hundred, but with the amounts of


           21              work that I have seen I think that it's


           22              justified to take him to a hundred and a one


           23              quarter.


           24                      MR. MCGOFF: I'm just going add in


           25              that there is also the possibility with a






            1              new Right-to-Know law coming into effect in


            2              January that those costs could increase and


            3              whether you question, I guess some people


            4              question why an attorney has to look at


            5              every Right-to-Know request, I believe that


            6              it's necessary at least at OECD because


            7              should something be divulged that is


            8              improper then OECD and the city is subject


            9              to lawsuits, and so on the side of caution


           10              an attorney -- I believe that we need a


           11              solicitor there to review every request.


           12                      MR. COURTRIGHT: On the question,


           13              Mr. McGoff.  I was ready to vote yes when I


           14              thought it was $100,000.  I was kind of


           15              shocked when I saw $150,000.  Mrs. Gatelli


           16              had passed down -- I read that as she passed


           17              that down, I just had seen it today when we


           18              were sitting up here, she passed it down and


           19              I see there is about $20,000 in


           20              Right-to-Know letters.  I do see that some


           21              of the names are repeatedly on there, people


           22              asking Right-to-Know.  I don't deprive


           23              anybody of their right to know.  I don't


           24              know exactly what it is that he does when he


           25              gets a Right-to-Know letter that can cost






            1              all of this money, and I said I saw there


            2              was a total of $20,000.  I'm not willing to


            3              go $125,000.  If this council would be


            4              willing to wait and table this and they


            5              could enlighten, maybe Mr. Greco's office.


            6              I have nothing against Mr. Greco, I don't


            7              even know the man, maybe just to talk to me


            8              one or twice in my life, you know, and then


            9              maybe he could scale it back a little bit if


           10              he they were willing, you know, to scale it


           11              back 110 or 115,000 I would go along with


           12              that probably.


           13                      Also, what Mr. McGoff said, there is


           14              a potential with the new Right-to-Know laws


           15              that would be increased work for him.  If


           16              that were the case, you know, and he could


           17              prove to me throughout the year that, hey,


           18              we got a whole more much in here then I


           19              would be willing to vote to give him an


           20              increase at that time, but for right now I


           21              can't vote yes on $125,000.


           22                      MR. MCGOFF: We are on the motion to


           23              reduce the amount from $150,000 to $125,000.


           24              All in favor signify by saying aye.


           25                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.






            1                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


            2                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


            3                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?


            4                      MS. EVANS: No.


            5                      MR. COURTRIGHT: No.


            6                      MR. MCGOFF: The ayes have it and so


            7              moved.  Thank you.  And now I guess we are


            8              back on the question.


            9                      MS. GATELLI:  If anyone would like


           10              to see this on council, I'll share it.


           11                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Before I even try to


           12              make a motion, is there anybody willing to


           13              hold onto this and table this until one time


           14              we get a little bit more information or is


           15              everybody satisfied they don't need any -- -


           16              no?  If you are satisfied and you don't need


           17              anymore information I'm not going to make a


           18              motion that I know it's not going to pass.


           19              I just -- I don't doubt the costs go up each


           20              year, I don't doubt that, and I know, no


           21              offense, Amil, lawyers are expensive, you


           22              know, but I just, I don't know, $25,000


           23              increase because of Right-to-Know, that


           24              doesn't set well with me.


           25                      MS. GATELLI: Yeah, that's fine.






            1                      MR. MCGOFF: Make a motion to table


            2              and we will investigate that.


            3                      MR. COURTRIGHT: What I would do is I


            4              don't think he would be opposed to speaking


            5              to me, I'll ask to speak to Mr. Greco


            6              personally or his staff or somebody to


            7              explain to me and then I'll bring that


            8              information back or if anyone wants to go


            9              with me --


           10                      MS. GATELLI: You can investigate


           11              that.


           12                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I make a motion to


           13              table Item 7-C.


           14                      MS. GATELLI:  I'll second that.


           15                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?  All in