1 SCRANTON CITY COUNCIL MEETING
7 Tuesday, November 25, 2008
10 Council Chambers
11 Scranton City Hall
12 340 North Washington Avenue
13 Scranton, Pennsylvania
CATHENE S. NARDOZZI, RPR - OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER
2 CITY OF SCRANTON COUNCIL:
MR. ROBERT MCGOFF, PRESIDENT
6 MS. JUDY GATELLI, VICE-PRESIDENT
MS. JANET E. EVANS (Not Present)
9 MS. SHERRY FANUCCI
MR. WILLIAM COURTRIGHT
12 MS. KAY GARVEY, CITY CLERK
MR. NEIL COOLICAN, ASSISTANT CITY CLERK
15 MR. AMIL MINORA, SOLICITOR
1 (Pledge of Allegiance recited and moment of reflection
3 MR. MCGOFF: Roll call, please.
4 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Evans.
5 (Mrs. Evans not present.)
6 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Gatelli.
7 MS. GATELLI. Here.
8 MR. COOLICAN: Ms. Fanucci.
9 MS. FANUCCI: Here.
10 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. Courtright.
11 MR. COURTRIGHT: Here.
12 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. McGoff.
13 MR. MCGOFF: Here. Let the minutes
14 reflect that Mrs. Evans informed council
15 that she would not be any attending
16 tonight's meeting. Dispense with the
17 reading off the minutes, Third Order.
18 MS. GARVEY: 3-A. CONTROLLER'S REPORT
19 FOR THE MONTH ENDING OCTOBER 31, 2008.
20 MR. MCGOFF: Are there any comments?
21 If not, received and filed.
22 MS. GARVEY: 3-B. MINUTES OF THE
23 FIREMEN'S PENSION COMMISSION MEETING HELD ON
24 SEPTEMBER 24, 2008.
25 MR. MCGOFF: Are there any comments?
1 If note, received and filed.
2 MS. GARVEY: 3-C. MINUTES OF THE
3 FIREMEN'S PENSION COMMISSION MEETING HELD ON
4 OCTOBER 22, 2008.
5 MR. MCGOFF: Are there any comments?
6 In not, received and filed.
7 MS. GARVEY: 3-D. MINUTES OF THE
8 VACANT PROPERTY REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING
9 HELD ON JULY 15, 2008.
10 MR. MCGOFF: Are there any comments?
11 If not, received and filed.
12 MS. GARVEY: 3-E. AGENDA FOR THE
13 VACANT PROPERTY REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING
14 HELD ON NOVEMBER 18, 2008.
15 MR. MCGOFF: Are there any comments?
16 If not, received and filed.
17 MS. GARVEY: That's it for Third
19 MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mrs. Garvey.
20 Any announcements from council?
21 MS. GATELLI: Yes, I have few. In
22 the past week I have received several
23 e-mails from people asking to send Christmas
24 cards again this year to the Walter Reed
25 Hospital. I don't know if you recall, but
1 last year we were notified not to send them
2 to Walter Reed because if you send them to a
3 recovering soldier they cannot be delivered
4 because it's a security breach of the
5 Pentagon, so anyone who receives these
6 e-mails sending a card to a recovering
7 solider at Walter Reed please tell the
8 people sending you that they will not
9 deliver these cards.
10 However, if you go onto
11 www.redcross.org they have a website on
12 there that tells you where to send cards to
13 soldiers. It's called the "Holiday Mail for
14 Heroes Program." You can send a card to the
15 troops, address it to, "A service member,"
16 and mail it to: Holiday Mail for Heroes,
17 Post Office Box 5456, Capital Heights,
18 Maryland, 20791. And I will give this to
19 ECTV to put on the website, so just so you
20 know the cards for Walter Reed will not be
22 This next week on Wednesday,
23 December 3, there will be a meeting of the
24 Elm Street Program in South Scranton. It
25 will held at United States Neighborhood
1 Centers, 425 Alder Street at 6:00 p.m.
2 Starting November 28, on a Friday,
3 through January 7, is the Nay Aug Christmas
4 light show and it will start at dusk each
6 I got a complaint last week that the
7 flag in front of city hall was very
8 tattered, so I called Representative Ken
9 Smith and I brought the new flag this
10 evening from Representative Smith and
11 Mrs. Garvey is going to give it to the
12 janitor tomorrow morning to hang in front of
13 city hall. So we would like to say thank
14 you to Representative Smith.
15 The Scranton Public Theatre is
16 having their 30th anniversary and Agnus
17 Cummings will be doing some of the skits.
18 It will be November 28, 29, and 30 at 8:15
19 at the Old Brick Theatre on West Market
20 Street next to Stirna's and the cost is $10.
21 There will be a World Aids
22 celebration at the University of Scranton
23 and the Aids quilt will be on display.
24 Monday, December 1 from 2 to 8, Tuesday,
25 December 2 from 12 to 8, and Wednesday,
1 December 3 from 12 to 8, and I'll also give
2 this to ECTV to put on the website. And
3 that's all I have. Thank you.
4 MR. MCGOFF: Anyone else? I would
5 like to mention that tomorrow the dedication
6 of the Heroes' memorial at Nay Aug will take
7 place. That's 10:00 at Nay Aug in the area
8 of the old greenhouse near the Davis Trail,
9 the Heroes' memorial dedication 10:00 at Nay
11 Also, sale of buttons for First
12 Night, which you probably heard will be the
13 last one sponsored by Scranton Tomorrow, the
14 sale of buttons for First Night begins on
15 Friday, this Friday. The buttons can be
16 purchased I believe at the Scranton Tomorrow
17 offices, also. It used to be at the federal
18 building, but I will check. No?
19 MS. SCHUMACHER: No, it's in that
20 building just before Lee Swartz's.
21 MR. MCGOFF: Right, that's the
22 Scranton Tomorrow offices, but I know that
23 they had in the past sold them in the lobby
24 of the Nealon building, but they do go on
25 sale Friday and the event's schedule map
1 there is a copy in the clerk's office if
2 anyone is interested in looking at it, and
3 thank you. Fourth Order. Citizens'
4 participation. Andy Sbaraglia.
5 MR. SBARAGLIA: Andy Sbaraglia,
6 citizen of Scranton, fellow Scrantonians. I
7 have a little quote from the mayor, "The
8 mall produces --" this is on Boscov's, "The
9 mall produces more than 1 million a year in
10 property taxes alone Mayor Chris Doherty
12 As you know, the property taxes for
13 all of Scranton is 14 million and they are
14 trying to tell you the mall pays 1/14 of all
15 of the city taxes when I happen to know the
16 mall is on the tax rolls for -- the mall
17 itself, I'm not counting Sampter's, the Dry
18 or the theatre, but the mall itself is only
19 on the tax rolls for $400,000, so how he can
20 come up with a figure like 1 million is
21 beyond me, but I guess you can say anything.
22 Now, real estate probably would be over
23 a million. If you said he was at over
24 $1 million worth of real estate in Scranton
25 I would say, yes. The question is most of
1 that real estate was brought for $1 a piece,
2 that's what the Sampter's was sold for and
3 so was the Dry.
4 Okay, let's do a little more with
5 Boscov's, as you know the paper also pointed
6 out very pointedly that Governor Rendell
7 gets contributions from Mr. Boscov or
8 somebody in his family or so forth and so
9 on, but they did not include that the mayor
10 also does and I think they should have.
11 It's in here. If you look back you will
12 find it the money he got, okay, it's in
14 Now another factor with the mall,
15 when Mr. Boscov's sold his leases inside of
16 the mall for $22 million, they'd write up in
17 the paper how much more money we were going
18 to get, and when it came down to it we got
19 peanuts. I wish somebody in the tax office
20 now that we got a new administration in
21 there would look into that deal even if they
22 can't do nothing, we could finally get it
23 straightened out why we got so little from
24 the sale of the transfer of the leases.
25 I won't say anything about the
1 merits of the situation because it's -- I
2 think he has something like 50 or 60 stores,
3 there is lot of people involved so forth and
4 so on, and a lot of jobs at stake so as far
5 as the merits go I will not comment on it
6 because there is too much at stake.
7 Okay, let's get down into something
8 we are going to do here, 5-B, introduction
9 of an ordinance looking for $250,000 again
10 for the 500 block of Lackawanna Avenue.
11 There was a movie one time when Michelangelo
12 was painting the Sisteen Chapel and the Pope
13 asked, "When is it going to end," well, I'm
14 going to ask the same question now, when is
15 it going to end? I told you before all of
16 the taxes of Scranton in the end will
17 probably not make up what you are pouring
18 into Lackawanna Avenue for that one block
19 and the worst part about it, Buona's and my
20 favorite Coney Island is not even included
21 plus the fact that he didn't even fix their
22 sidewalks and that is city property. Why he
23 would delete that as beyond me, but we all
24 know how the mayor is when it comes to
25 people who say no to him and he is getting
1 worse and worse I guess, but somewhere it
2 has to end.
3 Now, we already got more grants for
4 this. We got old grants, new grants,
5 everything else, we are over 30 million and
6 climbing and when they get up on top of the
7 wall there I don't know what they plan there
8 maybe even another park there who knows, but
9 they were planning to put an elevator to
10 take those people up to that.
11 Like I said before, you can't just
12 do that. This man, I don't even know, I
13 would probably have to look into SR records,
14 SRA records to see if he acquired the
15 buildings that he did acquire there from the
16 SRA, probably will look into it eventually
17 to see if he got to build them for a buck
18 like some of the buildings are sold and then
19 we are spending 30 million, maybe 35 million
20 to fix them. When does it end? And plus
21 they probably got all kinds of antiquity
22 stipulations that when you fix it you can't
23 raise the taxes, just like in the Connell
24 building. They got learned, when you fix an
25 old building up you can't raise tax on it.
1 It will take 1,000 years to get our money
2 back. Thank you.
3 MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr.
4 Sbaraglia. Ozzie Quinn.
5 MR. QUINN: Ozzie Quinn, Taxpayers'
6 Association. Dave Dobson brought this up
7 last week and it was regarding all of the
8 authorities and commissions, you know, the
9 they are spread out all throughout the city
10 at different times, different places and if
11 you don't read it, you know, it's difficult
12 and I recall a long time ago there was an
13 ordinance passed and actually it was called
14 the Traman guidelines that brought all of
15 the authorities that have to be in city
16 hall, so I'd ask you to consider looking
17 into that, okay?
18 The other thing is I got a call from
19 a woman who owed $500 in 2007 taxes and she
20 also owed a garbage fee for 2006 of $178,
21 and 2007, $178, so she went down to the
22 Single Tax Office to pay $856 in taxes,
23 okay, in the garbage fee and they wouldn't
24 accept it, they sent her over to NCC and NCC
25 charged her $1,765.98 or $910 above what she
1 owed in taxes. Now, that was passed by you
2 people, all of those penalties. It says
3 Councilperson Fanucci, McGoff and Gatelli.
4 Now, you are killing these people. How
5 can you -- this lady is on social security.
6 She makes $1,200 a year -- or $12,000 a year
7 and she has to pay these penalties. It's
8 crazy. So it's disgusting to tell you the
9 truth. You got to do something about
10 repealing that. The lady is so shook up,
11 and she is not the only one, you know that.
12 Okay. Now, in the first week of
13 November around there I was here with that
14 31 inches long of print in regards to the
15 specs for hiring Attorney Greco for OECD and
16 I looked at those specs again and you know
17 what, how much is that contract for?
18 MS. FANUCCI: For $1,100,000.
19 MR. QUINN: Okay. Now, you know
20 what, a contract of that much amount of
21 money, that amount of money there should
22 have been a prebid conference whereby all of
23 the law firms --
24 MS. FANUCCI: There was.
25 MR. QUINN: -- should have been --
1 there was no prebid conference.
2 MS. FANUCCI: Well, they put it out
3 to bid and he was the only one.
4 MR. QUINN: There was no prebid
5 conference to explain though what the specs
6 are all about. It's a requirement.
7 MS. FANUCCI: Well, to you.
8 MR. QUINN: And I looked. No, it
9 wasn't to me.
10 MS. FANUCCI: You said to us, so I
11 was assuming you meant --
12 MR. QUINN: No, a law firm should
13 have a right, any law firm should have a
14 right to come in here and if I was lawyer or
15 the Lackawanna Bar Association they should
16 file a complaint about that. Now, I want to
17 go about --
18 MS. GATELLI: Actually, Mr. Quinn --
19 MR. QUINN: I got my five minutes.
20 MS. GATELLI: -- that's professional
21 services and it doesn't even have to be bid.
22 MR. QUINN: Yeah, but there should
23 be a prebid conference for --
24 MS. GATELLI: It's been bid since
25 I'm here and --
1 MR. QUINN: Any lawyer who deals with
2 -- let me finish, okay, or he'll ring the
3 bell on me.
4 MS. GATELLI: No, because you are
5 saying something that's not true so I just
6 want to clarify it.
7 MR. QUINN: Any lawyer who has to
8 deal with real estate should have a right to
9 come in here.
10 MS. GATELLI: They do have a right.
11 It was put out to bid.
12 MR. QUINN: I'm not going to argue,
13 okay? The other thing is this year, so
14 Greco is going to get $100,000 contract
15 under 5-C if it's approved, and it will be
16 approved, okay, he has given $20,000 in cash
17 and in kind donations to the Doherty
18 campaign election and he has also donated to
19 Mrs. Fanucci, all right?
20 MS. FANUCCI: He bought tickets.
21 MR. QUINN: So I feel that her vote
22 is tainted and should not -- she should not
23 be allowed to vote. I mean, this is no
24 doubt in my mind --
25 MS. FANUCCI: We went through that.
1 That's not going to happen.
2 MR. QUINN: -- is again, as I said,
3 quid pro quo, pay to play. Now, look it, it
4 surely has the appearance of impropriety,
5 there is no doubt about it. When somebody
6 is getting money from somebody and they are
7 getting a contract that appearance of
8 impropriety is there and I don't know if
9 this should be allowed when you're done,
10 okay, and, you know, if it is passed, you
11 know, actually it's corruption. That's all
12 you can say. Thank you.
13 MS. FANUCCI: Before he goes back can
14 I say one thing? Amil, we went through this
15 before, do you remember the ruling on that
16 because I certainly don't want the public to
17 believe what is being said is actually like
18 true, so can you explain?
19 MR. MINORA: There is no restriction
20 on your voting simply because of campaign
21 contribution. We have gone through this
22 before. There was a request put to the
23 Ethic's Bureau and they found no impositions
24 of --
25 MR. MCGOFF: Excuse me, Mr. Quinn.
1 MR. QUINN: She answered me.
2 MR. MCGOFF: Mr. Quinn.
3 MR. QUINN: There is an appearance of
5 MR. MCGOFF: Excuse me.
6 MR. MINORA: That may be somebody's
7 opinion, but you are not ethically precluded
8 from voting on a contract simply because of
9 a campaign contribution.
10 MS. FANUCCI: Thank you. I also want
11 to state that Mr. Greco's contract this
12 year, $25,000 has been used of taxpayers'
13 money from two people who frequent our
14 council meetings for Right to Know. You
15 have spent $25,000 out of this man's
16 contract for just Right to Know for OECD, so
17 that to me is a major problem, so I am
18 actually thinking that he might need more
19 money in this contract if we are going to be
20 chewing up all of his money that should be
21 going toward economic development and money
22 that we should be spending in other places
23 for people to get lots of paperwork just to,
24 you know, amuse themselves, so I do want to
25 put that on the record. Thank you.
1 MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.
2 Mr. Spindler.
3 MR. SPINDLER: Les Spindler, city
4 resident, taxpayer and homeowner. The city
5 is bailing out Al Boscov giving him $3
6 million, I'm totally in favor of that. What
7 I'm not in favor of is the mayor insulting
8 our intelligence by saying it's not taxpayer
9 money. Where did the money come from? Did
10 it fall from the sky? All money that's
11 being used is taxpayer money. People pay
12 taxes to the state, to the federal
13 government, it's taxpayer money. So by him
14 saying it's not it's an out and out lie and
15 I hope the people get smart, when it comes
16 to election time next year.
17 Oh, a few weeks ago I was here and I
18 was saying about on CDTV they were talking
19 about the Chicago White Sox's winning the
20 World Series in 2005. Last week a coworker
21 came up to me and said they put CDTV on and
22 there was a Betty Boop cartoon on there.
23 That's the kind of programming we are
24 supposed to get is Betty Boop cartoons? We
25 already have a cartoon network do we need
1 another one? This station is an insult.
2 It's ridiculous and Scranton Tomorrow should
3 take over, but the mayor got just what he
4 wants, he doesn't want anything watching the
5 station anymore and that's what he is
6 getting. This is an outrage. Betty Boop
7 cartoons on 61. And it's funny,
8 Mrs. Fanucci, it's really funny.
9 MS. FANUCCI: It sure is.
10 MR. SPINDLER: It's disgusting.
11 MS. FANUCCI: You just laughed now,
12 come on, Les, it's Thanksgiving.
13 MR. SPINDLER: Next thing, Mrs.
14 Gatelli, is there any progress on possibly
15 banning cell phones in the cars?
16 MS. GATELLI: I have Mr. Minora
17 checking into it.
18 MR. SPINDLER: Okay, thank you.
19 Next thing, I asked this a few weeks ago,
20 the fire department not receiving that
21 equipment to check the live wires did
22 anybody look into it that?
23 MR. COURTRIGHT: I looked into it. I
24 think they called them hot sticks, they have
1 MR. SPINDLER: They do have them?
2 MR. COURTRIGHT: From my
4 MR. SPINDLER: Okay, great. Thank
5 you. Southern Union building that was
6 supposed to be fully filled by the end of
7 the summer, are there any tenants in there
8 at all, does anybody know?
9 MS. FANUCCI: There are. There are
11 MR. SPINDLER: Some, but it's not
13 MS. GATELLI: Merrill Lynch is
15 MR. SPINDLER: According to Mr.
16 Doherty it was supposed to be filled by the
17 end of the summer. Next thing, last week
18 Mrs. Fanucci you are speaking about economic
19 development, the Connell building, the 500
20 block of Lackawanna, first of all, the
21 Connell building, how much tax forgiveness
22 did the buyers of that get? Lots.
23 Secondly, how many family sustaining
24 jobs are going to come out of those
25 projects? Can you tell me, Mrs. Fanucci?
1 MS. FANUCCI: Actually, first you
2 are incorrect, there was no tax forgiving
3 for the Connell building, the first people
4 who were going to buy it in the beginning
5 were people who were looking for a tax
6 break. These people did not look for one
7 and certainly are not getting one, so that's
9 MR. SPINDLER: Okay, well, how many
10 family sustaining jobs are going to come out
11 of there?
12 MS. FANUCCI: Will come out of
13 there? Well, there is going to be
14 boutiques, there is going to be office
15 buildings, there is going to be -- so I
16 would imagine a lot, so if you work there --
17 MR. SPINDLER: That's what I call
18 family sustaining jobs, boutiques.
19 MS. FANUCCI: Well, you know what,
20 you're wrong. There's a lot of people that
21 make a lot of money and work very hard and
22 take money home to their families who work
23 in jobs like you. I mean, you work in the
24 mail room, you make good money.
25 MR. SPINDLER: Let's get industry
1 in. No, I don't make good money.
2 MS. FANUCCI: You make enough for
3 your family.
4 MR. SPINDLER: I don't get $10,000
5 raises a year.
6 MS. FANUCCI: You make enough for
7 your family, Les.
8 MR. SPINDLER: Hardly. In today's
9 Doherty's Newsletter, are the --
10 MS. GATELLI: Excuse me a minute, but
11 somebody is playing a radio or something.
12 MS. FANUCCI: It's the officer.
13 MS. GATELLI: I'm sorry, Les, I
14 couldn't hear you.
15 MS. SPINDLER: In today's Doherty's
16 newsletter on page three, "Arbitrator backs
17 firefighters. City to appeal."
18 Once again the city lost an appeal
19 and Mayor Doherty is appealing again. How
20 many times is this going to happen? It's
21 costing taxpayers' dollars all of the time,
22 he has lot arbitration after arbitration and
23 he keeps appealing. When are people going
24 to wise up? This is outrageous. These
25 people deserve this money. As Mr. Jackowitz
1 said before that they save people's lives,
2 they don't get the respect that's needed and
3 now the mayor keeps appealing arbitrations.
4 When is it going to stop? The taxpayers pay
5 money for to go to these people and the
6 mayor is just using it on appeals. Like I
7 said, I hope the people wise up and vote
8 this man out next year. Thank you.
9 MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr. Spindler.
10 Mrs. Schumacher.
11 MS. SCHUMACHER: Marie Schumacher.
12 On the 14th of December 2006 Mrs. Gatelli
13 said, "I'm also working next year on another
14 revenue item that we think can bring in
15 $1.5 million. It's a new rental
16 registration program. We will add
17 inspectors and clerks that will be strictly
18 assigned to this program. They will not be
19 allowed to do anything but the rental
20 registration. When we went to Bethlehem we
21 learned about this program and Rob Farrell
22 is getting the ordinance ready as we speak.
23 All properties will be registered including
24 single family homes that are not owner
1 The legislation passed in July 2007,
2 but the 2008 budget was only $29,281 not
3 $1.5 million. In 2009 it's forecast in the
4 budget to be a paltry $18,967. Perhaps this
5 is because the ordinance is a paper tiger
6 but resources were never allocated as
7 promised to enforce the rental registration
8 fee. It would be good to do that for 2009
9 or withdraw the ineffective legislation.
10 Speaking of Bethlehem, which is a
11 city comparable to Scranton, Bethlehem has
12 about the same population but less square
13 miles. Scranton lost the coal and textile
14 industry, Bethlehem lost the huge steel
15 company. Bethlehem's 2009 operating budget
16 totals $66 million and that's a 3.1 percent
17 increase without raising taxes. The
18 $66 million spending plan includes or
19 reduces over 1.5 million in cuts and reduces
20 a $13 million bond issue to 7.5 million.
21 The budget includes salaries for three
22 additional police officers and four other
23 positions. I wish there was someone in the
24 administration or council who can explain
25 why Scranton can't operate as efficiently as
1 Bethlehem. Bethlehem also leverages their
2 community development block grants using
3 private funds which provides for more
4 development and less risk.
5 Risk is a good segway into the
6 federal tax dollars we are putting at risk
7 with the Boscov's bailout. Do we not have a
8 substantial amount of risk with the prior
9 loan to the Steamtown Partnership which will
10 require a balloon payment in just a few
11 years? Not all of the Boscov's stores are
12 in Pennsylvania. What are these other
13 states contributing to the bailout? The
14 Scranton store is new and the Wilkes-Barre
15 store is reported to be in sad shape. Will
16 Scranton's $3 million be used in Luzerne
17 County? Should Boscov's end up once again
18 in bankruptcy where does our loan stand in
19 the liquidation hierarchy? Is there any
20 collateral? Does city council by the Home
21 Rule Charter have to approve this loan?
22 Lots of questions, but few answers.
23 It seems sadly ironic hat we will bail out a
24 private businessman and punish our own
25 property tax owners with onerous fees on top
1 of their taxes when they go delinquent.
2 Next, there is a matter of the
3 procurement of the Penn Security Bank
4 building in South Scranton. This is a
5 capital item and should have been in the
6 capital budget along with other capital
7 items such as the Nay Aug greenhouse and
8 memorial. When are you going to revise the
9 capital budget to reflect these expenditures
10 as is proper? The library system is paid
11 for by the county. The majority
12 commissioners have indicated they are not
13 interested in the South side library and are
14 facing serious revenue short falls for next
15 year. Why do we want to exacerbate their
16 challenges? As one Doherty deceit message
17 board poster pointed out, the second floor
18 of the Albright library could be made
19 handicap accessible by building a bridge
20 from the children's library across the
21 court. It is time to look for the least
22 expensive solution instead of the most
24 Mrs. Fanucci, any word on what
25 happened to the more than one-quarter of
1 million dollar building that Fratelli's
2 needed the OECD loan to buy or the Alexander
3 Fitness Center and medical complex, what
4 happened to that doctor who was moving back
5 to Scranton to run this facility? The last
6 time I checked a doctor commutes from the
7 Philadelphia area once a week? Any answers,
8 Mrs. Fanucci?
9 MS. FANUCCI: Oh, no. No.
10 MS. SCHUMACHER: Swell.
11 MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mrs.
12 Schumacher. Bill Jackowitz.
13 MR. JACKOWITZ: Bill Jackowitz, South
14 Scranton resident, member of the Taxpayers'
15 Association. Toastmaster's International,
16 the person at the podium is the speaker,
17 everybody else are the listeners.
18 Apparently last week I said
19 something that upset council. First of all,
20 no council member's name was mentioned or
21 singled out. No family members of council
22 were mentioned or singled out by me last
23 week. The fact is not one Scranton council
24 member attended the Veteran's ceremony held
25 on 7 of November 2008, although council
1 meeting was canceled. That was my point.
2 If anything that was just said is not
3 accurate or not true please correct the
4 facts during motions. I have always
5 acknowledged elected officials and gave
6 credit when credit was due. Mayor Doherty
7 was the only city elected official at the
9 Furthermore, I also stated last week
10 that council members were in attendance at
11 the opening of the dog park, at Connell Park
12 and the opening of the Connor's Park in
13 South Side. Again, another example of
14 council members not paying attention.
15 I would also like a recognize
16 Councilwoman Gatelli tonight for mentioning
17 about sending the letters to the injured
18 soldiers at Walter Reed because I was going
19 to do that but now I don't have to do it.
20 Thank you, Councilwoman Gatelli.
21 MS. GATELLI: You're welcome.
22 MR. JACKOWITZ: Okay, I will not be
23 told what I can and cannot say at Scranton
24 council meetings. I speak only for myself
25 and will continue to speak on issues that
1 concern veterans and taxpayers of Scranton.
2 The past is the past, the present is the
3 present and like Mayor Doherty said, "It is
4 what it is."
5 If you had a prior commitment then a
6 representative should have been selected to
7 represent council at the Veteran's ceremony.
8 Actions do haves consequences. Since when
9 do taxpayers not have the right to challenge
10 an elected official on how they spend
11 taxpayers money? Every citizen has that
12 right and hopefully more citizens start
13 challenging. How can any elected official
14 commit millions of taxpayers' dollars
15 without having a public hearing. The
16 governor and the mayors of local communities
17 are wrong spending the people's money
18 without asking the people, but then again,
19 this Pennsylvania and campaign contributors
20 must be paid back.
21 Thirty-five million of taxpayers'
22 money going to one family for a business
23 that failed not because of taxpayers, but
24 because they had a poor business plan. Now,
25 I am part owner of a retail store, banks,
1 mortgage companies, insurance companies and
2 so forth, soon the convenience store owners
3 will be asking for taxpayer bailouts.
4 Now, on the economy and the fact
5 that Scranton/Wilkes-Barre and Hazelton
6 metropolitan area has the highest employment
7 rate, lowest hourly wage rate and lowest
8 median income in the state. Also, Scranton
9 has a 20 percent poverty rate, highest in
10 the state. Sixty-three percent of the
11 school students receive assistance. These
12 are facts not visions or dreams.
13 Furthermore, new buildings and landscapings
14 and parks will not improve the local
15 economy. You want proof, just look at all
16 of the new buildings Wall Street has,
17 insurance companies have, banks have, and
18 the big three auto makers have, did it help?
19 No. So it will not work in Scranton either.
20 Wages. Workers must make money
21 then go out and spend that money buying
22 appliances, cars, food, clothing and so on.
23 This is how you build an economy. For
24 example, Pennsylvania and Scranton just
25 recently bailed out Boscov's department
1 store. According to the State Department of
2 Labor and Industry there are 111,000
3 Pennsylvanians who work in general
4 merchandise stores such as Boscov's.
5 Average weekly salary, $338. That equals to
6 $17,576 annually, gross income. After taxes
7 net income of approximately $12,300
8 annually. How can you stimulate the economy
9 on that income? Answer? You cannot.
10 Just take the time to look at the
11 lines at the food pantries, the number of
12 people using food stamps and access cards,
13 collecting unemployment checks and the
14 number of students receiving free lunches at
15 schools. These are indicators that the
16 economy in Scranton is not good, but yet our
17 government continues to give away taxpayers'
18 money to developers, business owners and
19 campaign contributors. Then the leaders add
20 insult by allowing the same people not to
21 pay the taxes, but more importantly they are
22 allowing them to pay their workers low wages
23 who, by the way, didn't have to pay so that
24 the city, state and federal governments can
25 give away more money.
1 Remember, people, you milk cows not
2 taxpayers. The 2009 budget is the best the
3 mayor has offered, I hope when the mayor
4 tries to cut 38 firefighters and close fire
5 stations in the City of Scranton I hope you
6 lobby and argue as much for the firemen and
7 police officers not losing their jobs as you
8 are lobbying for the raises.
9 MR. MCGOFF: Ron Ellman.
10 MR. ELLMAN: Ronnie Ellman again.
11 Mr. Courtright?
12 MR. COURTRIGHT: Yes.
13 MR. ELLMAN: I was with one of your
14 friends and mine last week.
15 MR. COURTRIGHT: Who is that?
16 MR. ELLMAN: A very entertaining and
17 exciting person to spend a few hours with,
18 Johnny Superstar.
19 MR. COURTRIGHT: A wonderful man.
20 MR. ELLMAN: That man loves this
21 city though. He is good to have --
22 MR. COURTRIGHT: He got several
23 thousand votes when he ran for mayor.
24 MR. ELLMAN: He told me he had 3,000
25 votes. Well, I didn't come to bad mouth
1 anybody tonight, I have to eat some words, I
2 don't have my words written backwards like I
3 usually do. I've had six, eight people in
4 the last few months or year or so tell me
5 what a good job Mr. Seitzinger has been
6 doing and Mr. Liptai. I was very critical
7 of Mr. Seitzinger, I even said he ought to
8 be fired once, but I have to eat my words
9 because I have read some positive things
10 about him and I have heard a lot of positive
11 things and I think -- I'm glad I have to eat
12 my words that he is turning out to be a
13 bright spot of this administration. I don't
14 know him, you know, he didn't ask me to say
16 You know, I listened last night at a
17 meeting and today everybody talking about
18 Boscov's, they are a dinosaur. Department
19 stores are dinosaurs. This is such a waste.
20 I had a fellow during the summer that was
21 working on my house, a young man, you know,
22 everybody is not brain surgeons and
23 electrical engineers and all, there is
24 worker bees. I was a worker bee and I was
25 very fortunate that I had someone help me
1 buy a home. These people if we could save
2 some of this property that's being torn down
3 and abandoned and all somehow with a
4 rent-to-own or some kind of program you can
5 keep these young people in the city. I have
6 talked to a couple of them.
7 I talked to a lady yesterday, told
8 me her mother lost a house that was paid for
9 not because of anything expect she just
10 couldn't afford the insurance and the taxes
11 and so on anymore so they had to sell it, I
12 didn't mean they lost it. She said that,
13 you know, the senior citizen was planning to
14 live here the rest of her life. Now she is
15 across the street or down the street, she
16 told me where she was. This is sad.
17 You know, you read about the
18 government wanting to help people that live
19 two and three times outside of their income
20 that have 2008 cars and trucks and
21 everything, thousands of dollars outside of
22 their income and here is people that can't
23 keep their houses they are paying for
24 because it's gotten so expensive for the
25 state to -- well, I guess anywhere to keep
1 going, but that's not right for America and
2 I think rather than waste or throw away
3 $3 million on Mr. Boscov, and I'm not mad at
4 him, I never met him or anything, this is an
5 absolute waste of funds when we need streets
6 and everything else in the city is going to
7 pot. There is just better things to do with
8 the money. You know, why did we borrow
9 $241,000 from Friendship House if we can
10 give $3 million away for another Globe Store
11 scenario. This is poor planning, it's just
12 like Mr. Quinn said, it seems like one hands
13 feeds another here. It's just not a
14 straight deal for the people, it's a bad
15 deal for the people. Thank you.
16 MR. MCGOFF: Anyone else?
17 Mr. Stucker.
18 MR. STUCKER: How you doing? Happy
19 Thanksgiving to the bunch of yous. Happy
21 MR. COURTRIGHT: Thank you, Jim.
22 MR. STUCKER: Okay. What's
23 happening at the Globe Store again,
24 especially in front of Oppenheim's, they are
25 parking cars there again. The buses can't
1 get to the sidewalk?
2 MR. COURTRIGHT: Okay, Jim. We
3 know. Every so often we have to send the
4 police over there to try to straighten it
5 out. We'll send them over again.
6 MR. STUCKER: And I was just talked
7 to a guy just now, he fixed Parrot Avenue,
8 the holes.
9 MR. COURTRIGHT: I was on there.
10 You're right, they did fix it. It's nice
11 now right? You are happy.
12 MR. STUCKER: Yeah.
13 MR. COURTRIGHT: I'm happy to.
14 MR. STUCKER: I went to a dinner
15 tonight, Sister Adrian's.
16 MS. FANUCCI: That was tonight.
17 MR. STUCKER: That's why I couldn't
18 make it. I just made it now.
19 MR. COURTRIGHT: That's good, Jim.
20 MR. STUCKER: She gave me three
22 MS. FANUCCI: Oh, that was nice.
23 MR. STUCKER: I had an operation. I
24 fell off the bike, so Dr. Rich from Dickson
25 City operated on me.
1 MR. COURTRIGHT: He helped you with
2 your thumb? Good, Jim.
3 MR. STUCKER: Yeah.
4 MR. COURTRIGHT: You're okay now;
6 MR. STUCKER: I'm in pain right now.
7 MR. COURTRIGHT: You are in pain
8 right now?
9 MR. STUCKER: Yeah. I took
10 four Vicodins last night.
11 MR. COURTRIGHT: Oh, God. Okay.
12 MR. STUCKER: To get rid of my pain.
13 The pain was killing me. And the guy who
14 fixed that light, I didn't go down that
15 way --
16 MR. COURTRIGHT: It's fixed; right?
17 MR. STUCKER: Yeah, I didn't go down
18 that way.
19 MR. COURTRIGHT: I think they fixed
21 MR. STUCKER: Okay. My garbage is
22 getting picked up and that, so -- and there
23 is a bar, maybe you can straighten them out.
24 Right around the corner is a new bar, right
25 next to Tink's with the ship on top outside
1 of the roof outside, the wall. They had a
2 bar there and Mayor Doherty was there and
3 it's not right because they are still a
4 $1.75 or $2.75 for a draft beer. Now, come
6 MR. COURTRIGHT: You know, we can't
7 control what they sell beer for, Buddy.
8 MR. STUCKER: Yeah. Because you
9 have to close it down.
10 MR. COURTRIGHT: No, you can't close
11 it down. Just go somewhere cheaper then.
12 Yeah, we can't control the beer price.
13 MR. STUCKER: I'm selling my snow
14 blower and getting a scooter.
15 MR. COURTRIGHT: You what?
16 MR. STUCKER: I'm getting another
17 scooter. Pat is going to get me one.
18 MR. COURTRIGHT: Jim, Jim, you can't
19 get the scooter, remember, because you can't
20 ride it on the street? Remember that's why
21 the cops made you get rid of the last one.
22 MR. STUCKER: I had it last year and
23 they let me go.
24 MR. COURTRIGHT: They let you go?
25 MR. STUCKER: Yeah.
1 MR. COURTRIGHT: I just don't want
2 to go through the same scenario we went
3 through before where they made you take it
4 off the street; right?
5 MR. STUCKER: Yeah.
6 MR. COURTRIGHT: Yeah. You can't
7 ride it on the street, Jim.
8 MR. STUCKER: Okay.
9 MR. COURTRIGHT: All right. Happy
11 MS. FANUCCI: Happy Thanksgiving.
12 MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Jim. Anyone
14 MR. DOBSON: Good evening, Council,
15 Dave Dobson. Once again I'd like to discuss
16 the public access TV and I'd also like to
17 note that these are not the opinions of
18 anyone currently connected with it or
19 previously other than myself.
20 Now, under the current procedure
21 with our various authorities spread all over
22 town the current procedures for taping of
23 public meetings would be to acquire and
24 transport portable equipment, find a place
25 to park, spend money on a place to park,
1 hopefully it would be close enough to the
2 site where it wouldn't make things even
3 worse, toting all of this equipment. You
4 have to tote this equipment to the site of
5 the hearing and you have to set it up,
6 finish the taping and return the equipment
7 to and find parking and tote it back into
8 the public access TV facility.
9 And under what I have in mind is use
10 city council chambers, the equipment to be
11 installed in the future, in the near future,
12 negate two hours of unnecessary work with an
13 all volunteer force, and the advantages
14 would be to eliminate time and expense,
15 eliminate redundant expenditures, especially
16 for equipment and minimizes the risk of
17 transient damage, someone could always run
18 into your car and wreck a camera or
19 something like that or you could just trip
20 and fall toting it around. These things
21 cost several thousand dollars from what I
22 understand. It makes use of city hall space
23 and if we started to call in some of these
24 authorities it would also eliminate rental
25 space and with the space available and
1 underused or unused in city hall.
2 So other than the budget to try and
3 do your best on that and keep it in line
4 that's what I wanted to say tonight, so
5 thank you and have a good night and please
6 consider this because it's very important.
7 There is a lot of work goes into this and
8 it's very difficult and time consuming and
9 it probably eliminates a lot of people,
10 potential people that could volunteer due to
11 transportation situations of their own.
12 Thank you and have a good night.
13 THE COURT: Thank you, Mr. Dobson.
14 MR. MORGAN: Good evening, Council.
15 I would just like it say that, you know,
16 sitting back here listening to the comments
17 of the individuals who came up here and
18 spoke, the one thing that I don't understand
19 at this point is, Mrs. Fanucci, you came to
20 a conclusion that 25 percent of Mr. Greco's
21 salary is being spent for Right to Know?
22 MS. FANUCCI: No, I didn't come it a
23 conclusion, and it wasn't 25 percent, his
24 salary, well, he spent $25,000 right now on
25 just two people in our -- well, that's
1 25 percent, but I was trying to say that we
2 will give him more money, two people in this
3 chambers who filed Right-to-Know constantly,
4 serial Right-to-Know filers, yes, have spent
5 $25,000 out of taxpayers' money just for
6 their own information constantly, yes.
7 MR. MORGAN: Yes. Now --
8 MS. FANUCCI: I'm not just trying to
9 say that's a fact.
10 MR. MORGAN: No, no, that's fine, but
11 I think that everybody in this city and
12 throughout this country needs to know that
13 the citizens have a Right-to-Know everything
14 about their government.
15 MS. FANUCCI: No doubt and I'm right
16 with you on that, but you know what, I don't
17 want to pay $25,000 for people to come here
18 week after week to badger people and to do
19 that just to create their own, you know,
20 dynamic. That's what it's about.
21 MR. MORGAN: I don't think an
22 individual ever has the ability to create
23 their own dynamic because they live in a
24 society that's ruled in some general fashion
25 by politicians who try to constrain
1 information and what we found here in this
2 city is that this mayor had a new vision for
3 this city that was backed up by previous
4 councils and what this mayor has done is he
5 has scattered the authorities across the
6 city to make it almost impossible to know
7 exactly what's going on with these
9 MS. FANUCCI: This is just OECD.
10 This isn't authorities, this is just OECD so
11 you know what we are talking about.
12 MR. MORGAN: It may be OECD, but
13 what's happened in this community is we have
14 wasted millions and millions and millions of
15 dollars and what we have done to the general
16 public is we have forced them into poverty,
17 and then what we did is we turned around and
18 we said, "If you can't pay your taxes we are
19 going to put fees on top of them and we're
20 going to sell the right to collect them to
22 We have done the most horrendous
23 things to our citizens politically that you
24 can ever imagine and it's definitely wrong
25 and anybody who has a real vision for the
1 city has to start over. We needed a mayor
2 in this city that has a real vision of
4 MS. FANUCCI: Let me ask you a
5 question, can I ask you a question?
6 MR. MORGAN: Go ahead.
7 MS. FANUCCI: Do you believe that
8 people that come here week after week
9 talking about being fiscally responsible,
10 talking about how money is frivously spent
11 and just one department of our city, doesn't
12 count all over the place, if I pulled the
13 number from the state that they have done,
14 the numbers from other departments that they
15 have done, the money we have spent on just
16 keep filing these things for their own
17 benefit, do you believe that that's fiscally
19 MR. MORGAN: I believe that --
20 MS. FANUCCI: And as a city
21 councilwoman do you think I should sit here
22 and believe that that's a good idea and good
23 for the taxpayers of this city who can't put
24 food on their plates at night and who work
25 three different jobs to try to keep their --
1 is that okay and then listen to them week
2 after week telling me I'm not doing my job.
3 MR. MORGAN: I think that people
4 have an ability to have a knowledge of the
5 environment they are in and since they live
6 in the City of Scranton they have a
7 knowledge of the things that occur here.
8 They may not have knowledge of the things
9 that occur in the state because it's too
10 broad of a picture, they may not have
11 knowledge of what happens in the federal
12 government, but here they are a ground.
13 They know their own community and I think
14 that they are aware of some things that may
15 be limited in scope because they only know
16 the things they know and they ask questions
17 about the things that they would like to
18 know about the things they assume they know.
19 MS. FANUCCI: Well you know and I
20 know I answer all -- you and I have worked
21 very well together in the past, you have
22 asked me questions I have done that. That
23 is not the issue. The issue is when you
24 want a question and you are finding it and
25 you digging for a certain thing and you find
1 the answer, then you have your answer, but
2 these things are not coming out. They
3 are conspiracy theories, they are a trying
4 to look for dirt, they are trying to -- but
5 guess what, at the end of the day they still
6 find nothing and they are costing me a
8 MR. MORGAN: I think that people who
9 have grown up here have a pretty good idea
10 of what's caused this city to go into
11 decline as it has for generations, but I
12 would like to say that we need to find a new
13 direction here. We need a new mayor. We
14 need people who care about the people. We
15 need people that aren't going to waste
16 money. Mr. Obama was elected as the
17 president of this country, president elect
18 of this country, people thought race was an
19 issue and it wasn't. People want change.
20 They want change here. They want change
21 across this whole nation. We have gone to
22 being number one in the world in almost
23 everything to 50th in education, okay, and
24 other things, 23rd in infant mortality.
25 Our country is a major decline even
1 we look to elected officials that we elect
2 to be leaders, but we don't have that, what
3 we have is one hand washing the other, okay,
4 and that's the problem here. We have
5 politics on every single level. Why are
6 20 percent of the residents in this city in
7 poverty? Think about that.
8 MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr. Morgan.
9 Mr. Ancherani.
10 MS. GATELLI: Here's the caboose.
11 MS. FANUCCI: There it is.
12 MR. ANCHERANI: Here we go again.
13 MS. FANUCCI: It's like Groundhog
14 Day, isn't it?
15 MS. GATELLI: Yeah, Groundhog Day.
16 MR. ANCHERANI: We all come up and
17 we listen to everybody else. Good evening,
18 Nelson Ancherani. I just have some
19 observations and some questions about the
20 budget before you vote on it. Again, I'm
21 glad there is no tax hike like the
22 25 percent tax hike in 2007 approved and
23 voted on by Mrs. Gatelli, Ms. Fanucci -- -
24 MS. FANUCCI: Here we are --
25 MR. ANCHERANI: -- and Mr. McGoff.
1 Ms. Fanucci doesn't like when her named is
2 mentioned. It wasn't the taxpayers who
3 voted for the 25 percent increase, it was
4 the three I mentioned. It's been said up
5 there on council that the council speakers
6 have an agenda when we come to the podium to
7 speak. You are right. But there are
8 council persons up there on council with
9 agendas. In fact, they vote for every
10 controversial agenda item that the mayor
11 wants. In fact, three of the council
12 persons voted for the 2007-2008 budgets that
13 granted pay raises to certain and favored
14 city employees and up to the end of 2008
15 that will be 15 million cumulatively.
16 The 2008 budget was a record budget.
17 Whose agenda was it to vote for the
18 $6.1 million loan a little over a month ago?
19 We have revenues, that's loans, sales of
20 assets totaling over $600 million the last
21 seven years and we are going to default on a
22 $5.5 million loan that was going to be
23 coming due next month? All of that money in
24 revenues and we are going to default plus we
25 have well over six million sitting in the
1 Single Tax Office plus interest and I would
2 be willing to bet it's closer to
3 $10 million.
4 Like I said, you are right, the
5 speakers do have agendas. Our agendas are
6 to be as informed as we can about city
7 business, to be informed how are elected
8 officials are spending our hard-earned tax
9 dollars, to object to the politics as usual
10 that the politicians don't want us to know
11 about. Some politicians like it when their
12 to know is a don't know what's going on.
13 There is no one to question whether are
14 hard-earned tax dollars are spent wisely and
15 we are getting our money's worth. Times
16 have changed. We want to be an informed
18 Now, the fire department award, and
19 maybe I shouldn't speak on that, but I'm
20 going to. Stu Renda said it's going to cost
21 the city 2.6 million between 2008 and 2014.
22 Where was Stu Renda stating that since 2002
23 when 15 million cumulatively was spent on
24 raises and new hires. That amount could be
25 the 20 million mark by the end of 2009.
1 Cumulatively we are looking at a lot of
2 money by 2014, so 2.6 million in the fire
3 department doesn't sound too bad. That's
4 going to be appealed according to the city.
5 Ms. Fanucci, millions are going to be spent
6 on attorneys to appeal that.
7 MS. FANUCCI: More.
8 MR. ANCHERANI: More than the money
9 that's spent for Mr. Greco so we are going
10 to find out whose wasting whose money.
11 MS. FANUCCI: And I'm all about
12 settling the contracts, Mr. Ancherani, trust
14 MR. ANCHERANI: Understand. The
15 budget, one fast question and you can all
16 answer yes or no so I can continue, Mrs.
17 Gatelli, did you look through the budget?
18 MS. GATELLI: Yes, I did.
19 MR. ANCHERANI: Mr. McGoff, did you
20 go through the budget?
21 MR. MCGOFF: Yes.
22 MR. ANCHERANI: Mr. Courtright?
23 MR. COURTRIGHT: Yes.
24 MR. ANCHERANI: Ms. Fanucci?
25 MS. FANUCCI: Okay. Because
1 Mr. McGoff said he was going to do his
2 homework so I'm glad he did. Anyway, I went
3 through the budget. I didn't go through it
4 all yet, I'm still going through it. The
5 pie chart again I'm going to mention, we've
6 got, it says, 24 percent is for the police
7 department, so 24 percent of the 78 million,
8 that would be $18,835,286; 25 percent for
9 the fire department that would be
10 $19,620,194. All of the pie charts, all of
11 the different items if you add up the
12 percentages it comes out to 101 percent. I
13 don't know who is doing the addition, but
14 when you look at the pie chart and you go
15 through all of those numbers it comes out to
16 10 percent.
17 A hundred and one percent of the
18 budget amount, if you go through that, it
19 comes out to 79,265,000, that's more than
20 the budget, and everyone of the pie charts
21 when you go through the budget, when you go
22 through the actual budget for every one of
23 the departments is less than what the budget
24 with the percentages on the pie chart. It's
25 less, much less. I have more, but I'll
1 finish next time. Thank you.
2 MR. MCGOFF: Anyone else? Mrs.
4 MS. GATELLI: I'll start with
5 Boscov's. I'm in favor of the city loaning
6 $3 million to Boscov's Department Store. I
7 was involved with Boscov's, as you know,
8 with Mayor Connors and you've read Mayor
9 Connors comments in the paper recently
10 concerning Boscov's. We have had some
11 similar problems back then when we were
12 doing the Steamtown Mall on Lackawanna
13 Avenue. I read some letters to the editor
14 saying, you know, there were stores there
15 and they would have survived, well, no, they
16 wouldn't survive. Those stores that were
17 there were in bad shape financially and the
18 mall was the only way out. It was a
19 wonderful project and I was glad to have
20 participated in it.
21 The problem now is if you don't have
22 Boscov's as the anchor there's a chance that
23 the whole mall could be in trouble. I'm not
24 willing to take that chance, maybe you are.
25 The federal government just agreed for I
1 think 700 billion to bail out Wall Street.
2 We can't help our mall for three million?
3 Something is wrong with this picture in
5 You talk about Scranton, don't you
6 see what's happening from the top down?
7 Everybody is in trouble. Everybody is in
8 trouble across the whole country. I think
9 we needed to help Boscov's and if comes
10 before this council I surely am voting yes,
11 to loan Al Boscov the money for his
12 department stores. He hires a lot of
13 people, there is wage tax, he is an icon in
14 this community and it's certainly will not
15 be lost revenue in my opinion.
16 Mrs. Schumacher, she seems to have
17 all of the quotes about me, I don't know
18 where you get them all, Mrs. Schumacher, she
19 always quotes me. The rental registration,
20 yes, I agree with you that was one of my
21 ideas. Wayne Evans and I wanted to do that
22 a long time ago. As a matter of fact, we
23 started doing it when I still worked in
24 OECD, but it never came to fruition.
25 Hopefully it's going to come to fruition
1 this year because I have told Mr. Renda that
2 one of my amendments will be to put in two
3 health inspectors, two additional health
4 inspectors to help with the rental
5 registration program, and we are going to
6 have someone, a company, do the registration
7 part. That seems to be what was holding it
8 up. It's quite a big piece to chew and I
9 think we need to put that out for someone
10 private to do that part. Once we get them
11 all registered then I think the department
12 would have a better handle on it, so that's
13 what I'm anticipating to do in this
14 particular budget and to housing two housing
15 inspectors for the rental registration
17 As far as the City of Bethlehem, I
18 do admire them. They have their own health
19 department, they have their own utility
20 company, they have their own ambulance
21 service, when I went down there it's more an
22 of county than a city, they control a lot
23 things that are a county would do up in
24 Lackawanna County and having their own
25 utility company certainly an asset because
1 they can charge, you know, for the utilities
2 and that helps with their budget. Their
3 budget is this thick (indicating). I have
4 an old copy of one at home. They have a lot
5 more revenue producing items than we have
6 and basically because of their owning
7 utility companies and the health department
8 and the ambulance and they do have a very
9 successful rental registration program.
10 As far as the rest of the budget, I
11 told Mr. Renda I was not in favor of the
12 salary increases for Mr. Hayes or
13 Mrs. Moran. Last year I was in favor of the
14 police chief and the fire chief getting a
15 raise because I was under the impression
16 that the contracts were going to be settled.
17 As of yet, contracts have not been settled.
18 The money is in the budget, we have been
19 very close to having the contracts settled,
20 or so I was informed by several sources
21 including the mayor, and that does not seem
22 like it's going to happen now.
23 I told the mayor, oh, maybe a month
24 ago that it would be nice, I approved, you
25 know, he discussed with me some of the
1 raises, I said absolutely, that's not a
2 problem as far as I was concerned and I said
3 I would really like you to include it all in
4 the budget and let's just do it all in one
5 fail swoop.
6 And I said and if the taxes have to
7 be raised I don't have a problem with doing
8 that either as I have said many times up
9 here, I would not have a problem raising
10 taxes to pay the police and firemen. I'm
11 not uncomfortable doing that. There are
12 taxing bodies that raise the taxes every
13 year. It's a fact of life. Look at your
14 utility bill. Mine in 2002, my electric
15 bill was $30. This month it's 160, so look
16 at how much that went up since 2002. It's a
17 fact of life, cost of living, everything
18 goes up.
19 The health care is up to, oh, let me
20 see what I wrote down here, 11 million just
21 for health care. I mean, that's ludicrous
22 that we have to pay that much in health
23 care. The costs have gone through the
24 ceiling for everyone. So I would not have
25 trouble raising the taxes again to pay
1 people that deserve it, and absolutely they
2 do deserve it, but we didn't have to do that
3 because we got a windfall from the tax
4 office that was up there hidden somewhere 12
5 1/2 million and besides that another
6 3 million was increased in this, you know,
7 that we got this year in addition to what we
8 are supposed to get from the missing money.
9 So, no, I did approve those salaries
10 last year because I thought contracts were
11 settled and they are not settled and I'm not
12 happy about it. I expressed that to the
13 mayor this afternoon and I believe that my
14 colleagues are in agreement about the
16 Another thing I said was I wanted to
17 put in another part-time animal control
18 officer that would handle the skunks and I
19 wanted to put in another part-time zoning
20 officer. We only have one zoning officer
21 and there are so many problems in reference
22 to zoning that he doesn't have time to do a
23 lot of the things that have to be done
24 especially the follow-up and the
25 enforcement. They may be denied a zoning
1 variance and a week later they are doing it
2 and then there is nobody to follow-up on
3 those discrepancies.
4 And the capital, there was capital
5 costs in parks and recreation and I just
6 asked that $100,000 go to the Billy Barrett
7 Park in Minooka that's in deplorable
8 condition. I have been back there with
9 Dr. Georgetti who lives across the street
10 and so far the mayor has tried to clean it
11 up a little bit. They got rid of the
12 basketball court where people were hanging
13 around at night and causing a lot of
14 trouble, but it really needs some upgrading.
15 So, I wanted to $100,000 of that capital
16 money in recreation to go to that particular
18 Let's see if I have anything else.
19 I think that's all I have and I would just
20 like to wish everyone a very happy and a
21 blessed Thanksgiving. We should all be
22 very, very thankful for our blessings. Even
23 though we come here and we don't agree with
24 each other, I think we are all graceful
25 enough to be friends when we walk out the
1 door and say Happy Thanksgiving to everyone
2 and I really hope you have an enjoyable one.
3 Thank you.
4 MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mrs. Gatelli.
5 Mrs. Fanucci?
6 MS. FANUCCI: You know, I want say a
7 few things on Boscov's, also. Mr. Boscov
8 put so much into this community and has done
9 so much for this community I'm not sure the
10 citizens are even aware. His contributions
11 to charities and to people in this city is
12 more than we can repay, quite frankly. I
13 know when people sound -- we here that type
14 of money and we hear what's going on and the
15 man I think he is coming up with what, 50
16 million? Can you imagine being able to
17 raise $50 million from people of your own
18 money? This is his belief and at his age
19 it's an undertaking that is amazing to me
20 and he is not doing it for just him, he is
21 doing it for us. I don't think you realize
22 the mall is 1,500 employees, that's shuts
23 down gone. Can you imagine? Just that
24 building, and that doesn't include the
25 people who make deliveries there and, you
1 know, the food service and all of that goes
2 on inside of the mall, and not to mention
3 what it does for our community. You know,
4 we have our seniors being able to take a bus
5 downtown and go to the mall. This would not
6 happen, so it is worth us putting in
7 everything we can do to help and paying back
8 to someone who has done so much more us is a
9 very easy task, at least for me.
10 I'm not sure we understand that type
11 of situation or that type and people come
12 here and they are mad about economic
13 development, they are mad, oh, look what
14 they got, but look what they give. These
15 people have to come up with millions of
16 dollars out of their own pocket because they
17 believe in us. So they make money doing it,
18 guess what, do you know how long it takes
19 and how hard it is to do? None us could do
20 it. I certainly couldn't do it. But, we
21 should be thankful for that. We should be
22 grateful that people are putting that type
23 of faith in our city and be grateful. So,
24 yes, I certainly will vote yes for Mr.
25 Boscov and I certainly will go down there
1 and spend money and do what I can to help
2 him and all of the employees that are there.
3 In fact, I was there today and a woman
4 walked up to me and I said, "How do you
6 And she said, "I am so thankful."
7 She said, "I have four kids at home, this is
8 my job, this has been my family."
9 And I thought, "Oh."
10 I mean, how do you stop that? You
11 don't? So I just wanted to say that.
12 Also, I want to discuss about
13 something that is really good. Look at me.
14 Look at me going for the good. Business
15 Week Today, huge survey they did. They
16 announced the best places to raise your
17 children and here is how they did it, they
18 got a team of people from Manhattan, base
19 provider real estate analysis leaders, and
20 they came up with a list of each state best
21 affordable towns for raising children. The
22 important factors, school performance,
23 affordability, safety, cost of living, air
24 quality, job growth, racial diversity, local
25 parks, baseball fields, zoos, recreation
1 centers, museums and theaters. Now, what
2 they did is they did it with populations
3 they had to have fewer than 50,000 for a
4 median household and you couldn't make more
5 than $100,000, so their criteria was pretty,
6 you know, diverse but also in a medium.
7 They didn't go to the high rent places, they
8 wanted to see. Well, I'm very happy to say
9 that Pittsburgh was one in Pennsylvania,
10 they were first, Scranton was second. We
11 came out second. I am sorry, but that to me
12 is the best goal we've had. You tell me
13 it's the best place to raise my children and
14 everyone's children we have been doing
15 something right, and I know you don't like
16 to hear it, but the parks and the rec and
17 the movie theatres and all of that stuff
18 actually has been doing great things for our
19 city. Can you imagine wanting to come here
20 and live here?
21 And you know what I was thinking
22 today I thought, wow, this is amazing. Here
23 I am reading this article, very reputable
24 magazine, I mean, I'm sure you are going to
25 argue with it, but it's very reputable and I
1 thought, wow, here we are, we are in this
2 place and out of all Pennsylvania second to
3 be and I thought, you know, I do love it
4 here and I know people get angry with me
5 even saying that but I do love it here. I
6 think, well, what's the problem? If you
7 don't like it there is so many options, so
8 many other options, but don't come here and
9 bring it down because, obviously, somebody
10 thinks we are pretty good and it's not just
11 me, which is nice. I actually have proof
12 now and all of that joking about, oh, it
13 doesn't mean anything to have economic
14 development, parks and recs it's just a
15 waste of money and why are we putting our
16 money here when we should just paving our
17 streets, because we want people to drive on
18 our streets.
19 We need to make money so that people
20 stay here and come here. It's not just
21 about filling the potholes because guess
22 what if the potholes got filled and there is
23 three people who cares? It's about bringing
24 more people here and more jobs and more
25 opportunities and I'm thankful for our
1 children that they are in the safe place and
2 have a lot to do while they are here and
3 that is my Thanksgiving wish. Be thankful
4 for living in Scranton, and that's all I
6 MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.
7 Mr. Courtright?
8 MR. COURTRIGHT: Somebody, I think it
9 might have been Mr. Spindler, spoke about
10 arbitration and as I'm sitting here I was
11 thinking if it's okay with the rest of
12 council, over the years that I have been
13 here Mr. Gervasi has been at the podium a
14 lot, and Mrs. Krake, Mrs. Stulgis has been a
15 lot, but with all of this going there is a
16 lot of speculation and a lot of rumor about
17 what's going on with the contracts and
18 what's not going on with the contracts and
19 the police unit has a new president and I
20 was wondering if was all right if we just
21 send him a letter, Bob Martin his name is,
22 he is a sergeant in the detective bureau,
23 and ask him if he would come here next week
24 say, for instance, maybe 6:00 and I think he
25 would be acceptable to all -- I will just
1 ask him some questions at the podium there.
2 I know there a lot of things he can't talk
3 about, but there are a lot of things that he
4 could talk about, so that we don't have all
5 of the rumor and the speculation that's
6 going on because obviously I think we all
7 realize that the contract negotiations have
8 kind of broken down and if he could shed
9 some light on it so that we don't have the
10 rumors and speculation I think that would be
11 a good thing and give us an opportunity to
12 talk to him. He has never been to the
13 podium since I have been here and if that's
14 all right with everyone we'll send a letter
15 and ask him if he would be willing to come
16 next week, is that okay with everybody?
17 MS. FANUCCI: Sure.
18 MR. COURTRIGHT: So, Kay, if you
19 could do that. Again, I'm sure there is
20 things he cannot talk about and I think we
21 are all smart enough not to ask him
22 questions that he can't answer, but just a
23 little bit of information from him I think
24 might help an awful lot of rumors,
25 especially after that arbitration thing went
2 I think it might have been Les
3 again, Southern Union, I was happy that
4 somebody bought Southern Union. Did he get
5 a good deal? I believe he did and I guess
6 that's what you're in business for to get
7 the best deal you could, I don't think that
8 he has gotten any city money. I don't think
9 we have given him money from the city to do
10 that. I mean, I know it's a KOZ, but I
11 think it's an individual that put his own
12 money into buying that building, he is
13 trying to fill the people, who is coming in
14 here is it Merrill Lynch that's coming in?
15 MS. GATELLI: Merrill Lynch.
16 MR. COURTRIGHT: So I think Southern
17 Union is a good building and I do feel it
18 was sitting there vacant and then this guy
19 bought it and if he got a good deal good for
20 him, and he is going to put businesses in
21 there and I -- pardon?
22 MS. GATELLI: And we didn't pay for
24 MR. COURTRIGHT: That's what I said.
25 "We" meaning the taxpayers "we" did not fund
1 that project. It's his own money and I
2 thank him for buying that and I really think
3 that's a good thing for the downtown.
4 One last thing I want to speak on.
5 Mrs. Schumacher e-mailed me on this and
6 Mr. Hubbard brought it up, I spoke to Linda
7 Aebli from OECD about the beat cop in
8 Greenridge. The beat cop is allowed to be
9 down there in Greenridge, but they don't
10 qualify for the money and the explanation on
11 it, I didn't feel that I would do it justice
12 to explain why that happened, she explained
13 it to me and I asked her if she would put
14 something in writing that I could read here
15 so that I did do it justice, but she hasn't
16 gotten that to me yet, but according to her
17 when we have the maps in our office that
18 beat officer is allowed down in that area,
19 but they are not entitled to funding.
20 I didn't believe that was so in the
21 beginning and I am kind of doubtful now, but
22 the way she explains it, and maybe she can
23 come in and explain it to all of us because
24 I know, I'm looking at Mrs. Gatelli over
25 there and she is look like that's
1 farfetched, right? But that's the way she
2 explained it to me and that's why I asked
3 her if she would be put in this writing to
4 me because the explanation she gave me, I
5 don't think I understand it fully, and I
6 don't think I would do it any justice and
7 Kay is looking like she wants to say
8 something. Do you want to say something
9 over there, Kay?
10 MS. GARVEY: Linda did stop by the
11 office, Mrs. Aebli stopped in the office,
12 looked at our map because we do have that
13 map in there, however, we don't have the
14 block or the tracks marked on ours, so she
15 tried to explain that the best way that she
16 could, if I understood her correctly, it's a
17 2000 census track by track and block groups.
18 Gardener Avenue is located in the track, and
19 it's the number, block two. Block 2 is not
20 located in a low to moderate income area,
21 however, the service area for both Block 1
22 and 2 averaged together you will get a low
23 to moderate income area of over 51 percent,
24 so by putting those two together it allows
25 the police to go into that service area,
1 however, they are not eligible for low to
2 moderate income funding on their own.
3 MS. GATELLI: I see.
4 MR. COURTRIGHT: You did a wonderful
5 job, Kay, better than I could do.
6 Mrs. Schumacher, do you -- if you could just
7 nod, I know I can't speak back and forth to
8 you, do you understand that explanation?
9 Okay. I didn't think I would do it justice.
10 MS. GATELLI: I see what she is
12 MR. COURTRIGHT: So, I tried to do a
13 little bit of my homework as Mr. McGoff said
14 he was going to do his homework because I
15 figured that it was odd that you would have
16 a police officer and you can't get funding.
17 And I spoke with some of the
18 members of the council just very briefly
19 before the meeting and in particular Mrs.
20 Gatelli, we are going to look into for those
21 of you who have been asking me about
22 reduction the beat officers we are going to
23 look into that and I truly think we will get
24 that rectified, so those of you who have
25 been asking about it know what I'm talking
1 about and I think we are all in agreement on
2 what we want done there, so I think you will
3 see that happening. And just a Happy
4 Thanksgiving to everybody and that's all I
5 have. Thank you.
6 MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr.
7 Courtright. I didn't think we are going to
8 speak about the mall bailout this evening,
9 but since it has been brought up, I'm not a
10 fan of the idea of trickle down economics,
11 historically it hasn't worked. Giving money
12 to corporate entities with the hope that it
13 will eventually get somehow to the people
14 has simply not worked in any major way. The
15 problem is that the opposite has not been
16 overly effective either. You know, there
17 are critics of the new deal with the idea of
18 giving money to the workers and hopefully
19 that will bolster the economy, there is
20 disagreement about that idea as well.
21 I guess what it comes down to is
22 that if you are going to give money
23 somewhere there has to be the trust that
24 that money will be used wisely, and I guess
25 in the case of the mall and Boscov's I guess
1 it comes down to trusting the man to do the
2 right thing with the money that is going to
3 be given. From what people are saying,
4 Mr. Boscov has been mentioned here,
5 Mr. Boscov is very civic minded and has done
6 a great deal for all of the communities in
7 which the stores have been, his stores have
8 been placed. I'm hoping that that fiscal
9 responsibility and civic responsibility
10 continues because it is a great deal of
11 money to be given in this type of situation.
12 Hopefully at the national level it works
13 equally as, you know, or it will work in the
14 same way that the people that are being
15 given these large sums of money can be
16 trusted to use it to benefit of the
17 community and not to the corporation itself.
18 Just a quick mention of some things
19 that were brought up, I know Mr. Spindler is
20 not happy with the Betty Boop cartoon, but I
21 have had people come to me and tell me that
22 they are pleased with the extent of the
23 programming that is being placed on ECTV,
24 the quality of the programming as well.
25 Hopefully that will continue to progress and
1 that it becomes a very viable entity for us.
2 Also, the request to have meetings
3 of other government entities be held in
4 council chambers, as far as I know we cannot
5 legislate where people meet, specifically
6 autonomous authorities can meet wherever
7 they wish to meet I would assume. We can
8 request that, you know, people meet here to
9 facilitate public access TV being available
10 to televise these meetings, but we cannot
11 legislate and I agree with Mr. Dobson it
12 would be a great idea if everyone were to
13 meet here so that it could be placed on
14 public access TV, but I don't think that
15 that's going to happen. I would ask that we
16 do make the request, you know, all of the
17 authorities and other governmental agencies
18 to hold meetings here, but we will have to
19 wait and see what their response is.
20 Also, a mention of Bethlehem, it
21 comes up, I do know that one of the things
22 that allows Bethlehem to somewhat I'll say
23 thrive is the large number of urban programs
24 that are conducted in the City of Bethlehem.
25 Two that I have been or three that -- music
1 fest that they have, the Celtic festival
2 that they have and downtown Bethlehem and
3 also the Christmas light show that they have
4 in Bethlehem attract people from all over
5 and is a great revenue maker for the city.
6 There are constantly events being held in
7 downtown Bethlehem that attract people that
8 spend money and it's been to the great
9 benefit of Bethlehem so that they do not
10 have to get into raising taxes and so on and
11 maybe allow for the greater revenue source.
12 Perhaps that's something that the City
13 of Scranton needs to look into doing things
14 that attract people to the city through
15 these types of programs and maybe we can
16 also benefit from that type of revenue
17 source. And that is all that I have. Thank
19 MR. COURTRIGHT: Mr. McGoff, could I
20 just say one thing, you reminded me, I had
21 two calls today and, Kay, maybe you can send
22 a letter or call ECTV, they are under the
23 impression that we were supposed to go live
24 today because it was the end of the month
25 and I told them I didn't know and I do not
1 know when we will, can you ask them when
2 that is going to happen. That's it. Thank
4 MS. GATELLI: May I, Mr. McGoff?
5 MR. MCGOFF: Absolutely.
6 MS. GATELLI: I forget to mention one
7 thing very important that will probably be
8 the headline tomorrow morning, when we were
9 in caucus I inquired as to how we would
10 raise the mayor's salary. Now, you might be
11 shocked and say how dare her say such a
12 thing, but I do think that the salary of the
13 mayor is much rather ludicrous. There is no
14 other governmental agency that the CEO quote
15 is paid so little. The mayor of
16 Wilkes-Barre they said makes $82,000, our
17 mayor makes 50 and he has since at least
18 Wenzel, the salary hasn't been increased. I
19 think that sometimes when the salary is so
20 low you don't get somebody of a good quality
21 to run for mayor. I think that if the
22 salary is raised possibly people would show
23 some interest in it that had, you know, a
24 great knowledge and didn't want to leave a
25 job to come and make $50,000, so I asked
1 Amil to look into when you would raise the
2 salary of a mayor and you would have to
3 raise it before the election, so that it
4 would not be for a particular person, it
5 would be for whomever won the election, not
6 for the city mayor, so just not to shock you
7 tomorrow when you read that in the paper.
8 It wasn't intended to be solely for Chris
9 Doherty, it would have to be done before an
10 election and hopefully if it was done more
11 people maybe would be interested in serving
12 as the mayor of the City of Scranton. Thank
14 MR. MCGOFF: I'll just add to that,
15 we did look that up in the Home Rule Charter
16 there is provision, there are provisions for
17 when and how the mayor, the controller, and
18 city council --
19 MR. MINORA: All the elected
21 MR. MCGOFF: -- salaries can be
22 raised or altered and there is a procedure
23 that's there and that's what we have to do.
24 MS. GARVEY: 5-B. FOR INTRODUCTION -
25 A RESOLUTION - AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND
1 OTHER APPROPRIATE CITY OFFICIALS TO EXECUTE
2 AND APPLY FOR A GRANT THROUGH THE
3 COMMONWEALTH OF PENNSYLVANIA, DEPARTMENT OF
4 COMMUNITY AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT (DCED)
5 FOR A GROWING GREENER II MAIN STREET AND
6 DOWNTOWN REDEVELOPMENT GRANT IN THE AMOUNT
7 OF $250,000.00. IF THE GRANT APPLICATION IS
8 SUCCESSFUL, THE GRANT FUNDS WILL BE
9 DISTRIBUTED TO THE 500 LACKAWANNA
10 DEVELOPMENT COMPANY FOR THE PROJECT TO BE
11 NAMED AS "500 LACKAWANNA AVENUE
12 REDEVELOPMENT PROJECT" TO BE USED FOR
13 BUILDING RENOVATIONS.
14 MR. MCGOFF: At this time I'll
15 entertain a motion that Item 5-B be
16 introduced into it's proper committee.
17 MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.
18 MS. FANUCCI: Second.
19 MR. MCGOFF: On the question? All
20 those in favor signify by saying aye.
21 MS. FANUCCI: Aye.
22 MS. GATELLI: Aye.
23 MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.
24 MR. MCGOFF: Aye. Opposed? The
25 ayes have it and so moved.
1 MS. GARVEY: 5-C. FOR INTRODUCTION -
2 A RESOLUTION - AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND
3 OTHER APPROPRIATE CITY OFFICIALS TO EXECUTE
4 AND ENTER INTO A CONTRACT FOR PROFESSIONAL
5 SERVICES WITH THE LAW FIRM OF CARL J. GRECO,
6 P.C. FOR LEGAL SERVICES INCLUDING BUT NOT
7 LIMITED TO GENERAL COUNSEL TO THE OFFICE OF
8 ECONOMIC AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT ("OECD"),
9 URBAN RENEWAL PROCESS AND PROCEDURE, EMINENT
10 DOMAIN AND RELATED LITIGATION, DISPOSITION
11 OF SURPLUS URBAN RENEWAL LANDS, TITLE
12 SEARCHES AND DEED PREPARATION.
13 MR. MCGOFF: At this time I will
14 entertain a motion that Item 5-C be
15 introduced into it's proper committee.
16 MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.
17 MS. FANUCCI: Second.
18 MR. MCGOFF: On the question? Does
19 this represent an increase --
20 MS. FANUCCI: No, this is just
21 the -- yeah, that would be coming back down
22 right after.
23 MR. MCGOFF: Okay.
24 MS. FANUCCI: Doesn't that come down
1 MR. MCGOFF: That's the one --
2 MS. GARVEY: I believe in the
3 legislation, if that's what you are speaking
4 on, I think it's for $150,000.
5 MR. MCGOFF: Yes. Thank you. All
6 those in favor --
7 MR. COURTRIGHT: It's $150,00?
8 MS. GATELLI: What's $150,000?
9 MR. MCGOFF: This.
10 MS. GARVEY: Carl Greco's contract.
11 MS. GATELLI: Why is it $150,000?
12 MS. GARVEY: I believe that's what's
13 in the red line, in the legislation.
14 MS. FANUCCI: Because it costs
15 $25,000 for Right-to-Know this year.
16 MS. GARVEY: It was 100 the previous
17 years I believe they are looking for the
19 MS. FANUCCI: Plus the development
20 stuff because they said it was going to be
21 more because of what we are doing with
23 MS. GATELLI: Well, I'll vote to move
24 it ahead, but, I'm sorry, I wasn't aware of
1 MR. COURTRIGHT: On the question,
2 also, neither was I. Shame on us. I
3 thought $100,000 was a fair price, I was
4 willing to vote, yes, even though there was
5 some controversy over it I thought $100,000
6 was fair. I will vote to move it ahead, but
7 I will certainly do my homework next week
8 $150,000 sounds a little bit high to me.
9 MS. FANUCCI: There's some taxpayers
10 you can try to collect from.
11 MS. GATELLI: Well, I know, I
12 understand that part of it, but the other
13 part of it is that his contract usually
14 didn't come until February and it's only
16 MS. FANUCCI: They ran out. That's
17 why when I looked into it they ran out of
18 money because of how the ridiculous amounts
19 of Right-to-Know that's been filed just for
20 OECD it's obscene.
21 MS. GATELLI: Well, I'd have to see
22 all of those bills. I'm not voting for
24 MS. FANUCCI: I did, so I can help
25 you with that.
1 MR. MCGOFF: That's why I asked. I
2 feel the same way that --
3 MS. GATELLI: Yeah, that's a bit
5 MS. FANUCCI: Well, the 25 --
6 MR. MCGOFF: If there are excesses
7 then we can vote on that at a later time,
8 but --
9 MS. FANUCCI: That's true.
10 MR. MCGOFF: -- we'll move this
11 forward and discuss it next week.
12 MR. COURTRIGHT: Mr. McGoff, one
13 more thing and maybe I can ask Mr. Minora,
14 Mrs. Fanucci is saying that there is
15 excesses and he went over what it costs, we
16 have several solicitors on the payroll,
17 part-time solicitors, are they allowed to
18 give, for lack of a better term, to give him
19 a hand, Mr. Greco, if there is an exorbitant
20 amount of work coming his way?
21 MR. MINORA: I think the reason OECD
22 has a separate solicitor is because there is
23 conflicts. As a general principle there is
24 a conflict between the city and the federal
25 government's money, so I guess that's the
1 answer, you know, you have separate counsel
2 for that reason.
3 MR. COURTRIGHT: All right. It's not
4 advisable. Okay. Thank you.
5 MR. MCGOFF: All those in favor
6 signify by saying aye.
7 MS. FANUCCI: Aye.
8 MS. GATELLI: Aye.
9 MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.
10 MR. MCGOFF: Aye. Opposed? The
11 ayes have it and so moved.
12 MS. GARVEY: SIXTH ORDER. 6-A.
13 READING BY TITLE FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 49,
14 2008 - AN ORDINANCE - APPROPRIATING FUNDS
15 FOR THE EXPENSES OF THE CITY GOVERNMENT FOR
16 THE PERIOD COMMENCING ON THE FIRST DAY OF
17 JANUARY 2009 TO AND INCLUDING DECEMBER 31,
18 2009 BY THE ADOPTION OF THE GENERAL CITY
19 OPERATING BUDGET FOR THE YEAR 2009.
20 MR. MCGOFF: You have heard Reading
21 by Title of Item 6-A what is your pleasure.
22 MS. FANUCCI: Mr. Chairman, I move
23 that Item 6-A pass Reading by Title.
24 MR. MCGOFF: I'll second it. On the
1 MS. GARVEY: That's Mrs. Gatelli's
2 committee. I believe the committee on
3 finance, the budget.
4 MS. GATELLI: Yes. What are we on
6 MS. FANUCCI: Sorry.
7 MS. GATELLI: Are you trying to take
8 my finance committee?
9 MS. FANUCCI: Yeah, I want it so bad.
10 MS. GATELLI: Come on. Everybody
11 wanted it.
12 MR. MCGOFF: This is only Sixth
14 MS. FANUCCI: It's only Sixth Order.
15 MS. GARVEY: I'm sorry.
16 MS. GATELLI: When do we make the
17 amendments, next week?
18 MS. FANUCCI: So you can second and
19 we are done.
20 MS. GATELLI: Second.
21 MR. MCGOFF: On the question? All
22 those in favor signify by saying aye.
23 MS. FANUCCI: Aye.
24 MS. GATELLI: Aye.
25 MR. MCGOFF: Aye. Opposed?
1 MR. COURTRIGHT: No.
2 MR. MCGOFF: The ayes have it and so
4 MS. GARVEY: SEVENTH ORDER. 7-A. FOR
5 CONSIDERATION BY THE COMMITTEE ON FINANCE -
6 FOR ADOPTION - FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 48, 2008
7 - SALE OF TAX DELINQUENT PROPERTY MORE
8 COMMONLY KNOWN AS SHORT AVENUE, TAX MAP NO.
9 13420-020-027, SCRANTON, PENNSYLVANIA, TO
10 CARMEN SAITA, 517 GREENBUSH STREET,
11 SCRANTON, PENNSYLVANIA, 18508, FOR THE
12 CONSIDERATION OF $7,000.00.
13 MR. MCGOFF: What is the
14 recommendation of the Chairperson for the
15 Committee on Finance?
16 MS. GATELLI: As Chair for the
17 Committee on Finance, I recommend final
18 passage of 7-A.
19 MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.
20 MR. MCGOFF: On the question? Roll
21 call, please.
22 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Evans.
23 (Mrs. Evans not present.)
24 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Gatelli.
25 MS. GATELLI. Yes.
1 MR. COOLICAN: Ms. Fanucci.
2 MS. FANUCCI: Yes.
3 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. Courtright.
4 MR. COURTRIGHT: Yes.
5 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. McGoff.
6 MR. MCGOFF: Yes. I hereby declare
7 Item 7-A legally and lawfully adopted.
8 MS. GARVEY: 7-B. FOR CONSIDERATION -
9 BY THE COMMITTEE ON COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT -
10 FOR ADOPTION - RESOLUTION NO. 84, 2008 -
11 AMENDING RESOLUTION NO. 80, 2008 ENTITLED
12 "ACCEPTING THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE
13 HISTORICAL ARCHITECTURE REVIEW BOARD
14 ("HARB") AND APPROVING THE CERTIFICATE OF
15 APPROPRIATENESS FOR JOHN ANDREJACK
16 CONTRACTORS, 802 NORTH WASHINGTON AVENUE,
17 SCRANTON, PENNSYLVANIA FOR INSTALLATION OF A
18 NEW ROOF WITH ARCHITECTURAL SHINGLES,
19 POINTING OF BRICKS, REPLACEMENT OF WINDOW
20 OPENING FILLERS AND REPLACEMENT OF EXISTING
21 SIGNS AT 225 VINE STREET, SCRANTON,
22 PENNSYLVANIA" TO REFLECT THE CORRECT ADDRESS
23 AS 802 NORTH WEBSTER AVENUE, SCRANTON,
25 MR. MCGOFF: What is the
1 recommendation of the Chairperson for the
2 Committee on Community Development?
3 MS. FANUCCI: As Chairperson for the
4 Committee on Community development, I
5 recommend final passage of Item 7-B.
6 MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.
7 MR. MCGOFF: On the question? Roll
8 call, please?
9 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Evans.
10 (Mrs. Evans not present.)
11 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Gatelli.
12 MS. GATELLI. Yes.
13 MR. COOLICAN: Ms. Fanucci.
14 MS. FANUCCI: Yes.
15 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. Courtright.
16 MR. COURTRIGHT: Yes.
17 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. McGoff.
18 MR. MCGOFF: Yes. I hereby declare
19 Item 7-B legally and lawfully adopted.
20 Happy Thanksgiving to everyone and thank you
21 for your participation and motion to
23 MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.
1 C E R T I F I C A T E
3 I hereby certify that the proceedings and
4 evidence are contained fully and accurately in the
5 notes of testimony taken by me at the hearing of the
6 above-captioned matter and that the foregoing is a true
7 and correct transcript of the same to the best of my
CATHENE S. NARDOZZI, RPR
12 OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER