1              SCRANTON CITY COUNCIL MEETING








            5                          HELD:




            7               Tuesday, November 25, 2008




            9                        LOCATION:


           10                    Council Chambers


           11                 Scranton City Hall


           12              340 North Washington Avenue


           13                Scranton, Pennsylvania











































                MS. JANET E. EVANS (Not Present)



            9   MS. SHERRY FANUCCI



                MR. WILLIAM COURTRIGHT



           12   MS. KAY GARVEY, CITY CLERK






           15   MR. AMIL MINORA, SOLICITOR


























            1   (Pledge of Allegiance recited and moment of reflection


            2   observed.)


            3                      MR. MCGOFF:  Roll call, please.


            4                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.


            5                      (Mrs. Evans not present.)


            6                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Gatelli.


            7                      MS. GATELLI.  Here.


            8                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.


            9                      MS. FANUCCI:  Here.


           10                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. Courtright.


           11                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Here.


           12                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF:  Here.  Let the minutes


           14              reflect that Mrs. Evans informed council


           15              that she would not be any attending


           16              tonight's meeting.  Dispense with the


           17              reading off the minutes, Third Order.


           18                      MS. GARVEY: 3-A. CONTROLLER'S REPORT


           19              FOR THE MONTH ENDING OCTOBER 31, 2008.


           20                      MR. MCGOFF: Are there any comments?


           21              If not, received and filed.


           22                      MS. GARVEY: 3-B. MINUTES OF THE




           24              SEPTEMBER 24, 2008.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF: Are there any comments?






            1              If note, received and filed.


            2                      MS. GARVEY: 3-C. MINUTES OF THE




            4              OCTOBER 22, 2008.


            5                      MR. MCGOFF: Are there any comments?


            6              In not, received and filed.


            7                      MS. GARVEY: 3-D. MINUTES OF THE




            9              HELD ON JULY 15, 2008.


           10                      MR. MCGOFF: Are there any comments?


           11              If not, received and filed.


           12                      MS. GARVEY: 3-E.  AGENDA FOR THE




           14              HELD ON NOVEMBER 18, 2008.


           15                      MR. MCGOFF:  Are there any comments?


           16              If not, received and filed.


           17                      MS. GARVEY: That's it for Third


           18              Order.


           19                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mrs. Garvey.


           20              Any announcements from council?


           21                      MS. GATELLI:  Yes, I have few.  In


           22              the past week I have received several


           23              e-mails from people asking to send Christmas


           24              cards again this year to the Walter Reed


           25              Hospital.  I don't know if you recall, but






            1              last year we were notified not to send them


            2              to Walter Reed because if you send them to a


            3              recovering soldier they cannot be delivered


            4              because it's a security breach of the


            5              Pentagon, so anyone who receives these


            6              e-mails sending a card to a recovering


            7              solider at Walter Reed please tell the


            8              people sending you that they will not


            9              deliver these cards.


           10                      However, if you go onto


           11              www.redcross.org they have a website on


           12              there that tells you where to send cards to


           13              soldiers.  It's called the "Holiday Mail for


           14              Heroes Program."  You can send a card to the


           15              troops, address it to, "A service member,"


           16              and mail it to:  Holiday Mail for Heroes,


           17              Post Office Box 5456, Capital Heights,


           18              Maryland, 20791.  And I will give this to


           19              ECTV to put on the website, so just so you


           20              know the cards for Walter Reed will not be


           21              delivered.


           22                      This next week on Wednesday,


           23              December 3, there will be a meeting of the


           24              Elm Street Program in South Scranton.  It


           25              will held at United States Neighborhood






            1              Centers, 425 Alder Street at 6:00 p.m.


            2                      Starting November 28, on a Friday,


            3              through January 7, is the Nay Aug Christmas


            4              light show and it will start at dusk each


            5              night.


            6                      I got a complaint last week that the


            7              flag in front of city hall was very


            8              tattered, so I called Representative Ken


            9              Smith and I brought the new flag this


           10              evening from Representative Smith and


           11              Mrs. Garvey is going to give it to the


           12              janitor tomorrow morning to hang in front of


           13              city hall.  So we would like to say thank


           14              you to Representative Smith.


           15                      The Scranton Public Theatre is


           16              having their 30th anniversary and Agnus


           17              Cummings will be doing some of the skits.


           18              It will be November 28, 29, and 30 at 8:15


           19              at the Old Brick Theatre on West Market


           20              Street next to Stirna's and the cost is $10.


           21                      There will be a World Aids


           22              celebration at the University of Scranton


           23              and the Aids quilt will be on display.


           24              Monday, December 1 from 2 to 8, Tuesday,


           25              December 2 from 12 to 8, and Wednesday,






            1              December 3 from 12 to 8, and I'll also give


            2              this to ECTV to put on the website.  And


            3              that's all I have.  Thank you.


            4                      MR. MCGOFF: Anyone else?  I would


            5              like to mention that tomorrow the dedication


            6              of the Heroes' memorial at Nay Aug will take


            7              place.  That's 10:00 at Nay Aug in the area


            8              of the old greenhouse near the Davis Trail,


            9              the Heroes' memorial dedication 10:00 at Nay


           10              Aug.


           11                      Also, sale of buttons for First


           12              Night, which you probably heard will be the


           13              last one sponsored by Scranton Tomorrow, the


           14              sale of buttons for First Night begins on


           15              Friday, this Friday.  The buttons can be


           16              purchased I believe at the Scranton Tomorrow


           17              offices, also.  It used to be at the federal


           18              building, but I will check.  No?


           19                      MS. SCHUMACHER: No, it's in that


           20              building just before Lee Swartz's.


           21                      MR. MCGOFF: Right, that's the


           22              Scranton Tomorrow offices, but I know that


           23              they had in the past sold them in the lobby


           24              of the Nealon building, but they do go on


           25              sale Friday and the event's schedule map






            1              there is a copy in the clerk's office if


            2              anyone is interested in looking at it, and


            3              thank you.  Fourth Order.  Citizens'


            4              participation.  Andy Sbaraglia.


            5                      MR. SBARAGLIA: Andy Sbaraglia,


            6              citizen of Scranton, fellow Scrantonians.  I


            7              have a little quote from the mayor, "The


            8              mall produces --" this is on Boscov's, "The


            9              mall produces more than 1 million a year in


           10              property taxes alone Mayor Chris Doherty


           11              said."


           12                      As you know, the property taxes for


           13              all of Scranton is 14 million and they are


           14              trying to tell you the mall pays 1/14 of all


           15              of the city taxes when I happen to know the


           16              mall is on the tax rolls for -- the mall


           17              itself, I'm not counting Sampter's, the Dry


           18              or the theatre, but the mall itself is only


           19              on the tax rolls for $400,000, so how he can


           20              come up with a figure like 1 million is


           21              beyond me, but I guess you can say anything.


           22                   Now, real estate probably would be over


           23              a million.  If you said he was at over


           24              $1 million worth of real estate in Scranton


           25              I would say, yes.  The question is most of






            1              that real estate was brought for $1 a piece,


            2              that's what the Sampter's was sold for and


            3              so was the Dry.


            4                      Okay, let's do a little more with


            5              Boscov's, as you know the paper also pointed


            6              out very pointedly that Governor Rendell


            7              gets contributions from Mr. Boscov or


            8              somebody in his family or so forth and so


            9              on, but they did not include that the mayor


           10              also does and I think they should have.


           11              It's in here.  If you look back you will


           12              find it the money he got, okay, it's in


           13              there.


           14                      Now another factor with the mall,


           15              when Mr. Boscov's sold his leases inside of


           16              the mall for $22 million, they'd write up in


           17              the paper how much more money we were going


           18              to get, and when it came down to it we got


           19              peanuts.  I wish somebody in the tax office


           20              now that we got a new administration in


           21              there would look into that deal even if they


           22              can't do nothing, we could finally get it


           23              straightened out why we got so little from


           24              the sale of the transfer of the leases.


           25                      I won't say anything about the






            1              merits of the situation because it's -- I


            2              think he has something like 50 or 60 stores,


            3              there is lot of people involved so forth and


            4              so on, and a lot of jobs at stake so as far


            5              as the merits go I will not comment on it


            6              because there is too much at stake.


            7                      Okay, let's get down into something


            8              we are going to do here, 5-B, introduction


            9              of an ordinance looking for $250,000 again


           10              for the 500 block of Lackawanna Avenue.


           11              There was a movie one time when Michelangelo


           12              was painting the Sisteen Chapel and the Pope


           13              asked, "When is it going to end," well, I'm


           14              going to ask the same question now, when is


           15              it going to end?  I told you before all of


           16              the taxes of Scranton in the end will


           17              probably not make up what you are pouring


           18              into Lackawanna Avenue for that one block


           19              and the worst part about it, Buona's and my


           20              favorite Coney Island is not even included


           21              plus the fact that he didn't even fix their


           22              sidewalks and that is city property.  Why he


           23              would delete that as beyond me, but we all


           24              know how the mayor is when it comes to


           25              people who say no to him and he is getting






            1              worse and worse I guess, but somewhere it


            2              has to end.


            3                      Now, we already got more grants for


            4              this.  We got old grants, new grants,


            5              everything else, we are over 30 million and


            6              climbing and when they get up on top of the


            7              wall there I don't know what they plan there


            8              maybe even another park there who knows, but


            9              they were planning to put an elevator to


           10              take those people up to that.


           11                      Like I said before, you can't just


           12              do that.  This man, I don't even know, I


           13              would probably have to look into SR records,


           14              SRA records to see if he acquired the


           15              buildings that he did acquire there from the


           16              SRA, probably will look into it eventually


           17              to see if he got to build them for a buck


           18              like some of the buildings are sold and then


           19              we are spending 30 million, maybe 35 million


           20              to fix them.  When does it end?  And plus


           21              they probably got all kinds of antiquity


           22              stipulations that when you fix it you can't


           23              raise the taxes, just like in the Connell


           24              building.  They got learned, when you fix an


           25              old building up you can't raise tax on it.






            1              It will take 1,000 years to get our money


            2              back.  Thank you.


            3                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr.


            4              Sbaraglia.  Ozzie Quinn.


            5                      MR. QUINN:  Ozzie Quinn, Taxpayers'


            6              Association.  Dave Dobson brought this up


            7              last week and it was regarding all of the


            8              authorities and commissions, you know, the


            9              they are spread out all throughout the city


           10              at different times, different places and if


           11              you don't read it, you know, it's difficult


           12              and I recall a long time ago there was an


           13              ordinance passed and actually it was called


           14              the Traman guidelines that brought all of


           15              the authorities that have to be in city


           16              hall, so I'd ask you to consider looking


           17              into that, okay?


           18                      The other thing is I got a call from


           19              a woman who owed $500 in 2007 taxes and she


           20              also owed a garbage fee for 2006 of $178,


           21              and 2007, $178, so she went down to the


           22              Single Tax Office to pay $856 in taxes,


           23              okay, in the garbage fee and they wouldn't


           24              accept it, they sent her over to NCC and NCC


           25              charged her $1,765.98 or $910 above what she






            1              owed in taxes.  Now, that was passed by you


            2              people, all of those penalties.  It says


            3              Councilperson Fanucci, McGoff and Gatelli.


            4                   Now, you are killing these people.  How


            5              can you -- this lady is on social security.


            6              She makes $1,200 a year -- or $12,000 a year


            7              and she has to pay these penalties.  It's


            8              crazy.  So it's disgusting to tell you the


            9              truth.  You got to do something about


           10              repealing that.  The lady is so shook up,


           11              and she is not the only one, you know that.


           12                      Okay.  Now, in the first week of


           13              November around there I was here with that


           14              31 inches long of print in regards to the


           15              specs for hiring Attorney Greco for OECD and


           16              I looked at those specs again and you know


           17              what, how much is that contract for?


           18                      MS. FANUCCI: For $1,100,000.


           19                      MR. QUINN:  Okay.  Now, you know


           20              what, a contract of that much amount of


           21              money, that amount of money there should


           22              have been a prebid conference whereby all of


           23              the law firms --


           24                      MS. FANUCCI: There was.


           25                      MR. QUINN:  -- should have been --






            1              there was no prebid conference.


            2                      MS. FANUCCI: Well, they put it out


            3              to bid and he was the only one.


            4                      MR. QUINN:  There was no prebid


            5              conference to explain though what the specs


            6              are all about.  It's a requirement.


            7                      MS. FANUCCI:  Well, to you.


            8                      MR. QUINN:  And I looked.  No, it


            9              wasn't to me.


           10                      MS. FANUCCI:  You said to us, so I


           11              was assuming you meant --


           12                      MR. QUINN: No, a law firm should


           13              have a right, any law firm should have a


           14              right to come in here and if I was lawyer or


           15              the Lackawanna Bar Association they should


           16              file a complaint about that.  Now, I want to


           17              go about --


           18                      MS. GATELLI:  Actually, Mr. Quinn --


           19                      MR. QUINN: I got my five minutes.


           20                      MS. GATELLI:  -- that's professional


           21              services and it doesn't even have to be bid.


           22                      MR. QUINN:  Yeah, but there should


           23              be a prebid conference for --


           24                      MS. GATELLI:  It's been bid since


           25              I'm here and --






            1                      MR. QUINN: Any lawyer who deals with


            2              -- let me finish, okay, or he'll ring the


            3              bell on me.


            4                      MS. GATELLI: No, because you are


            5              saying something that's not true so I just


            6              want to clarify it.


            7                      MR. QUINN:  Any lawyer who has to


            8              deal with real estate should have a right to


            9              come in here.


           10                      MS. GATELLI:  They do have a right.


           11              It was put out to bid.


           12                      MR. QUINN:  I'm not going to argue,


           13              okay?  The other thing is this year, so


           14              Greco is going to get $100,000 contract


           15              under 5-C if it's approved, and it will be


           16              approved, okay, he has given $20,000 in cash


           17              and in kind donations to the Doherty


           18              campaign election and he has also donated to


           19              Mrs. Fanucci, all right?


           20                      MS. FANUCCI: He bought tickets.


           21                      MR. QUINN:  So I feel that her vote


           22              is tainted and should not -- she should not


           23              be allowed to vote.  I mean, this is no


           24              doubt in my mind --


           25                      MS. FANUCCI: We went through that.






            1              That's not going to happen.


            2                      MR. QUINN:  -- is again, as I said,


            3              quid pro quo, pay to play.  Now, look it, it


            4              surely has the appearance of impropriety,


            5              there is no doubt about it.  When somebody


            6              is getting money from somebody and they are


            7              getting a contract that appearance of


            8              impropriety is there and I don't know if


            9              this should be allowed when you're done,


           10              okay, and, you know, if it is passed, you


           11              know, actually it's corruption.  That's all


           12              you can say.  Thank you.


           13                      MS. FANUCCI: Before he goes back can


           14              I say one thing?  Amil, we went through this


           15              before, do you remember the ruling on that


           16              because I certainly don't want the public to


           17              believe what is being said is actually like


           18              true, so can you explain?


           19                      MR. MINORA:  There is no restriction


           20              on your voting simply because of campaign


           21              contribution.  We have gone through this


           22              before.  There was a request put to the


           23              Ethic's Bureau and they found no impositions


           24              of --


           25                      MR. MCGOFF: Excuse me, Mr. Quinn.






            1                      MR. QUINN:  She answered me.


            2                      MR. MCGOFF: Mr. Quinn.


            3                      MR. QUINN: There is an appearance of


            4              impropriety.


            5                      MR. MCGOFF: Excuse me.


            6                      MR. MINORA:  That may be somebody's


            7              opinion, but you are not ethically precluded


            8              from voting on a contract simply because of


            9              a campaign contribution.


           10                      MS. FANUCCI: Thank you.  I also want


           11              to state that Mr. Greco's contract this


           12              year, $25,000 has been used of taxpayers'


           13              money from two people who frequent our


           14              council meetings for Right to Know.  You


           15              have spent $25,000 out of this man's


           16              contract for just Right to Know for OECD, so


           17              that to me is a major problem, so I am


           18              actually thinking that he might need more


           19              money in this contract if we are going to be


           20              chewing up all of his money that should be


           21              going toward economic development and money


           22              that we should be spending in other places


           23              for people to get lots of paperwork just to,


           24              you know, amuse themselves, so I do want to


           25              put that on the record.  Thank you.






            1                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.


            2              Mr. Spindler.


            3                      MR. SPINDLER: Les Spindler, city


            4              resident, taxpayer and homeowner.  The city


            5              is bailing out Al Boscov giving him $3


            6              million, I'm totally in favor of that.  What


            7              I'm not in favor of is the mayor insulting


            8              our intelligence by saying it's not taxpayer


            9              money.  Where did the money come from?  Did


           10              it fall from the sky?  All money that's


           11              being used is taxpayer money.  People pay


           12              taxes to the state, to the federal


           13              government, it's taxpayer money.  So by him


           14              saying it's not it's an out and out lie and


           15              I hope the people get smart, when it comes


           16              to election time next year.


           17                      Oh, a few weeks ago I was here and I


           18              was saying about on CDTV they were talking


           19              about the Chicago White Sox's winning the


           20              World Series in 2005.  Last week a coworker


           21              came up to me and said they put CDTV on and


           22              there was a Betty Boop cartoon on there.


           23              That's the kind of programming we are


           24              supposed to get is Betty Boop cartoons?  We


           25              already have a cartoon network do we need






            1              another one?  This station is an insult.


            2              It's ridiculous and Scranton Tomorrow should


            3              take over, but the mayor got just what he


            4              wants, he doesn't want anything watching the


            5              station anymore and that's what he is


            6              getting.  This is an outrage.  Betty Boop


            7              cartoons on 61.  And it's funny,


            8              Mrs. Fanucci, it's really funny.


            9                      MS. FANUCCI: It sure is.


           10                      MR. SPINDLER: It's disgusting.


           11                      MS. FANUCCI: You just laughed now,


           12              come on, Les, it's Thanksgiving.


           13                      MR. SPINDLER: Next thing, Mrs.


           14              Gatelli, is there any progress on possibly


           15              banning cell phones in the cars?


           16                      MS. GATELLI: I have Mr. Minora


           17              checking into it.


           18                      MR. SPINDLER:  Okay, thank you.


           19              Next thing, I asked this a few weeks ago,


           20              the fire department not receiving that


           21              equipment to check the live wires did


           22              anybody look into it that?


           23                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I looked into it.  I


           24              think they called them hot sticks, they have


           25              them.






            1                      MR. SPINDLER: They do have them?


            2                      MR. COURTRIGHT: From my


            3              understanding.


            4                      MR. SPINDLER: Okay, great.  Thank


            5              you.  Southern Union building that was


            6              supposed to be fully filled by the end of


            7              the summer, are there any tenants in there


            8              at all, does anybody know?


            9                      MS. FANUCCI: There are.  There are


           10              some.


           11                      MR. SPINDLER:  Some, but it's not


           12              filled.


           13                      MS. GATELLI:  Merrill Lynch is


           14              there.


           15                      MR. SPINDLER:  According to Mr.


           16              Doherty it was supposed to be filled by the


           17              end of the summer.  Next thing, last week


           18              Mrs. Fanucci you are speaking about economic


           19              development, the Connell building, the 500


           20              block of Lackawanna, first of all, the


           21              Connell building, how much tax forgiveness


           22              did the buyers of that get?  Lots.


           23                   Secondly, how many family sustaining


           24              jobs are going to come out of those


           25              projects?  Can you tell me, Mrs. Fanucci?






            1                      MS. FANUCCI:  Actually, first you


            2              are incorrect, there was no tax forgiving


            3              for the Connell building, the first people


            4              who were going to buy it in the beginning


            5              were people who were looking for a tax


            6              break.  These people did not look for one


            7              and certainly are not getting one, so that's


            8              incorrect.


            9                      MR. SPINDLER:  Okay, well, how many


           10              family sustaining jobs are going to come out


           11              of there?


           12                      MS. FANUCCI:  Will come out of


           13              there?  Well, there is going to be


           14              boutiques, there is going to be office


           15              buildings, there is going to be -- so I


           16              would imagine a lot, so if you work there --


           17                      MR. SPINDLER: That's what I call


           18              family sustaining jobs, boutiques.


           19                      MS. FANUCCI: Well, you know what,


           20              you're wrong.  There's a lot of people that


           21              make a lot of money and work very hard and


           22              take money home to their families who work


           23              in jobs like you.  I mean, you work in the


           24              mail room, you make good money.


           25                      MR. SPINDLER:  Let's get industry






            1              in. No, I don't make good money.


            2                      MS. FANUCCI: You make enough for


            3              your family.


            4                      MR. SPINDLER: I don't get $10,000


            5              raises a year.


            6                      MS. FANUCCI: You make enough for


            7              your family, Les.


            8                      MR. SPINDLER: Hardly.  In today's


            9              Doherty's Newsletter, are the --


           10                      MS. GATELLI: Excuse me a minute, but


           11              somebody is playing a radio or something.


           12                      MS. FANUCCI: It's the officer.


           13                      MS. GATELLI: I'm sorry, Les, I


           14              couldn't hear you.


           15                      MS. SPINDLER: In today's Doherty's


           16              newsletter on page three, "Arbitrator backs


           17              firefighters.  City to appeal."


           18                      Once again the city lost an appeal


           19              and Mayor Doherty is appealing again.  How


           20              many times is this going to happen?  It's


           21              costing taxpayers' dollars all of the time,


           22              he has lot arbitration after arbitration and


           23              he keeps appealing.  When are people going


           24              to wise up?  This is outrageous.  These


           25              people deserve this money.  As Mr. Jackowitz






            1              said before that they save people's lives,


            2              they don't get the respect that's needed and


            3              now the mayor keeps appealing arbitrations.


            4              When is it going to stop?  The taxpayers pay


            5              money for to go to these people and the


            6              mayor is just using it on appeals.  Like I


            7              said, I hope the people wise up and vote


            8              this man out next year.  Thank you.


            9                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr. Spindler.


           10              Mrs. Schumacher.


           11                      MS. SCHUMACHER: Marie Schumacher.


           12              On the 14th of December 2006 Mrs. Gatelli


           13              said, "I'm also working next year on another


           14              revenue item that we think can bring in


           15              $1.5 million.  It's a new rental


           16              registration program.  We will add


           17              inspectors and clerks that will be strictly


           18              assigned to this program.  They will not be


           19              allowed to do anything but the rental


           20              registration.  When we went to Bethlehem we


           21              learned about this program and Rob Farrell


           22              is getting the ordinance ready as we speak.


           23              All properties will be registered including


           24              single family homes that are not owner


           25              occupied."






            1                      The legislation passed in July 2007,


            2              but the 2008 budget was only $29,281 not


            3              $1.5 million.  In 2009 it's forecast in the


            4              budget to be a paltry $18,967.  Perhaps this


            5              is because the ordinance is a paper tiger


            6              but resources were never allocated as


            7              promised to enforce the rental registration


            8              fee.  It would be good to do that for 2009


            9              or withdraw the ineffective legislation.


           10                        Speaking of Bethlehem, which is a


           11              city comparable to Scranton, Bethlehem has


           12              about the same population but less square


           13              miles.  Scranton lost the coal and textile


           14              industry, Bethlehem lost the huge steel


           15              company.  Bethlehem's 2009 operating budget


           16              totals $66 million and that's a 3.1 percent


           17              increase without raising taxes.  The


           18              $66 million spending plan includes or


           19              reduces over 1.5 million in cuts and reduces


           20              a $13 million bond issue to 7.5 million.


           21              The budget includes salaries for three


           22              additional police officers and four other


           23              positions.  I wish there was someone in the


           24              administration or council who can explain


           25              why Scranton can't operate as efficiently as






            1              Bethlehem.  Bethlehem also leverages their


            2              community development block grants using


            3              private funds which provides for more


            4              development and less risk.


            5                      Risk is a good segway into the


            6              federal tax dollars we are putting at risk


            7              with the Boscov's bailout.  Do we not have a


            8              substantial amount of risk with the prior


            9              loan to the Steamtown Partnership which will


           10              require a balloon payment in just a few


           11              years?  Not all of the Boscov's stores are


           12              in Pennsylvania.  What are these other


           13              states contributing to the bailout?  The


           14              Scranton store is new and the Wilkes-Barre


           15              store is reported to be in sad shape.  Will


           16              Scranton's $3 million be used in Luzerne


           17              County?  Should Boscov's end up once again


           18              in bankruptcy where does our loan stand in


           19              the liquidation hierarchy?  Is there any


           20              collateral?  Does city council by the Home


           21              Rule Charter have to approve this loan?


           22                        Lots of questions, but few answers.


           23              It seems sadly ironic hat we will bail out a


           24              private businessman and punish our own


           25              property tax owners with onerous fees on top






            1              of their taxes when they go delinquent.


            2                        Next, there is a matter of the


            3              procurement of the Penn Security Bank


            4              building in South Scranton.  This is a


            5              capital item and should have been in the


            6              capital budget along with other capital


            7              items such as the Nay Aug greenhouse and


            8              memorial.  When are you going to revise the


            9              capital budget to reflect these expenditures


           10              as is proper?  The library system is paid


           11              for by the county.  The majority


           12              commissioners have indicated they are not


           13              interested in the South side library and are


           14              facing serious revenue short falls for next


           15              year.  Why do we want to exacerbate their


           16              challenges?  As one Doherty deceit message


           17              board poster pointed out, the second floor


           18              of the Albright library could be made


           19              handicap accessible by building a bridge


           20              from the children's library across the


           21              court.  It is time to look for the least


           22              expensive solution instead of the most


           23              expensive.


           24                      Mrs. Fanucci, any word on what


           25              happened to the more than one-quarter of






            1              million dollar building that Fratelli's


            2              needed the OECD loan to buy or the Alexander


            3              Fitness Center and medical complex, what


            4              happened to that doctor who was moving back


            5              to Scranton to run this facility?  The last


            6              time I checked a doctor commutes from the


            7              Philadelphia area once a week?  Any answers,


            8              Mrs. Fanucci?


            9                      MS. FANUCCI: Oh, no.  No.


           10                      MS. SCHUMACHER:  Swell.


           11                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mrs.


           12              Schumacher.  Bill Jackowitz.


           13                      MR. JACKOWITZ: Bill Jackowitz, South


           14              Scranton resident, member of the Taxpayers'


           15              Association.  Toastmaster's International,


           16              the person at the podium is the speaker,


           17              everybody else are the listeners.


           18                             Apparently last week I said


           19              something that upset council.  First of all,


           20              no council member's name was mentioned or


           21              singled out.  No family members of council


           22              were mentioned or singled out by me last


           23              week.  The fact is not one Scranton council


           24              member attended the Veteran's ceremony held


           25              on 7 of November 2008, although council






            1              meeting was canceled.  That was my point.


            2              If anything that was just said is not


            3              accurate or not true please correct the


            4              facts during motions.  I have always


            5              acknowledged elected officials and gave


            6              credit when credit was due.  Mayor Doherty


            7              was the only city elected official at the


            8              ceremony.


            9                      Furthermore, I also stated last week


           10              that council members were in attendance at


           11              the opening of the dog park, at Connell Park


           12              and the opening of the Connor's Park in


           13              South Side.  Again, another example of


           14              council members not paying attention.


           15                      I would also like a recognize


           16              Councilwoman Gatelli tonight for mentioning


           17              about sending the letters to the injured


           18              soldiers at Walter Reed because I was going


           19              to do that but now I don't have to do it.


           20              Thank you, Councilwoman Gatelli.


           21                      MS. GATELLI: You're welcome.


           22                      MR. JACKOWITZ: Okay, I will not be


           23              told what I can and cannot say at Scranton


           24              council meetings.  I speak only for myself


           25              and will continue to speak on issues that






            1              concern veterans and taxpayers of Scranton.


            2              The past is the past, the present is the


            3              present and like Mayor Doherty said, "It is


            4              what it is."


            5                      If you had a prior commitment then a


            6              representative should have been selected to


            7              represent council at the Veteran's ceremony.


            8              Actions do haves consequences.  Since when


            9              do taxpayers not have the right to challenge


           10              an elected official on how they spend


           11              taxpayers money?  Every citizen has that


           12              right and hopefully more citizens start


           13              challenging.  How can any elected official


           14              commit millions of taxpayers' dollars


           15              without having a public hearing.  The


           16              governor and the mayors of local communities


           17              are wrong spending the people's money


           18              without asking the people, but then again,


           19              this Pennsylvania and campaign contributors


           20              must be paid back.


           21                      Thirty-five million of taxpayers'


           22              money going to one family for a business


           23              that failed not because of taxpayers, but


           24              because they had a poor business plan.  Now,


           25              I am part owner of a retail store, banks,






            1              mortgage companies, insurance companies and


            2              so forth, soon the convenience store owners


            3              will be asking for taxpayer bailouts.


            4                      Now, on the economy and the fact


            5              that Scranton/Wilkes-Barre and Hazelton


            6              metropolitan area has the highest employment


            7              rate, lowest hourly wage rate and lowest


            8              median income in the state.  Also, Scranton


            9              has a 20 percent poverty rate, highest in


           10              the state.  Sixty-three percent of the


           11              school students receive assistance.  These


           12              are facts not visions or dreams.


           13              Furthermore, new buildings and landscapings


           14              and parks will not improve the local


           15              economy.  You want proof, just look at all


           16              of the new buildings Wall Street has,


           17              insurance companies have, banks have, and


           18              the big three auto makers have, did it help?


           19              No.  So it will not work in Scranton either.


           20                        Wages.  Workers must make money


           21              then go out and spend that money buying


           22              appliances, cars, food, clothing and so on.


           23              This is how you build an economy.  For


           24              example, Pennsylvania and Scranton just


           25              recently bailed out Boscov's department






            1              store.  According to the State Department of


            2              Labor and Industry there are 111,000


            3              Pennsylvanians who work in general


            4              merchandise stores such as Boscov's.


            5              Average weekly salary, $338.  That equals to


            6              $17,576 annually, gross income.  After taxes


            7              net income of approximately $12,300


            8              annually.  How can you stimulate the economy


            9              on that income?  Answer?  You cannot.


           10                      Just take the time to look at the


           11              lines at the food pantries, the number of


           12              people using food stamps and access cards,


           13              collecting unemployment checks and the


           14              number of students receiving free lunches at


           15              schools.  These are indicators that the


           16              economy in Scranton is not good, but yet our


           17              government continues to give away taxpayers'


           18              money to developers, business owners and


           19              campaign contributors.  Then the leaders add


           20              insult by allowing the same people not to


           21              pay the taxes, but more importantly they are


           22              allowing them to pay their workers low wages


           23              who, by the way, didn't have to pay so that


           24              the city, state and federal governments can


           25              give away more money.






            1                      Remember, people, you milk cows not


            2              taxpayers.  The 2009 budget is the best the


            3              mayor has offered, I hope when the mayor


            4              tries to cut 38 firefighters and close fire


            5              stations in the City of Scranton I hope you


            6              lobby and argue as much for the firemen and


            7              police officers not losing their jobs as you


            8              are lobbying for the raises.


            9                      MR. MCGOFF: Ron Ellman.


           10                      MR. ELLMAN: Ronnie Ellman again.


           11              Mr. Courtright?


           12                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Yes.


           13                      MR. ELLMAN:  I was with one of your


           14              friends and mine last week.


           15                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Who is that?


           16                      MR. ELLMAN: A very entertaining and


           17              exciting person to spend a few hours with,


           18              Johnny Superstar.


           19                      MR. COURTRIGHT: A wonderful man.


           20                      MR. ELLMAN:  That man loves this


           21              city though.  He is good to have --


           22                      MR. COURTRIGHT: He got several


           23              thousand votes when he ran for mayor.


           24                      MR. ELLMAN:  He told me he had 3,000


           25              votes.  Well, I didn't come to bad mouth






            1              anybody tonight, I have to eat some words, I


            2              don't have my words written backwards like I


            3              usually do.  I've had six, eight people in


            4              the last few months or year or so tell me


            5              what a good job Mr. Seitzinger has been


            6              doing and Mr. Liptai.  I was very critical


            7              of Mr. Seitzinger, I even said he ought to


            8              be fired once, but I have to eat my words


            9              because I have read some positive things


           10              about him and I have heard a lot of positive


           11              things and I think -- I'm glad I have to eat


           12              my words that he is turning out to be a


           13              bright spot of this administration.  I don't


           14              know him, you know, he didn't ask me to say


           15              this.


           16                      You know, I listened last night at a


           17              meeting and today everybody talking about


           18              Boscov's, they are a dinosaur.  Department


           19              stores are dinosaurs.  This is such a waste.


           20              I had a fellow during the summer that was


           21              working on my house, a young man, you know,


           22              everybody is not brain surgeons and


           23              electrical engineers and all, there is


           24              worker bees.  I was a worker bee and I was


           25              very fortunate that I had someone help me






            1              buy a home.  These people if we could save


            2              some of this property that's being torn down


            3              and abandoned and all somehow with a


            4              rent-to-own or some kind of program you can


            5              keep these young people in the city.  I have


            6              talked to a couple of them.


            7                      I talked to a lady yesterday, told


            8              me her mother lost a house that was paid for


            9              not because of anything expect she just


           10              couldn't afford the insurance and the taxes


           11              and so on anymore so they had to sell it, I


           12              didn't mean they lost it.  She said that,


           13              you know, the senior citizen was planning to


           14              live here the rest of her life.  Now she is


           15              across the street or down the street, she


           16              told me where she was.  This is sad.


           17                      You know, you read about the


           18              government wanting to help people that live


           19              two and three times outside of their income


           20              that have 2008 cars and trucks and


           21              everything, thousands of dollars outside of


           22              their income and here is people that can't


           23              keep their houses they are paying for


           24              because it's gotten so expensive for the


           25              state to -- well, I guess anywhere to keep






            1              going, but that's not right for America and


            2              I think rather than waste or throw away


            3              $3 million on Mr. Boscov, and I'm not mad at


            4              him, I never met him or anything, this is an


            5              absolute waste of funds when we need streets


            6              and everything else in the city is going to


            7              pot.  There is just better things to do with


            8              the money.  You know, why did we borrow


            9              $241,000 from Friendship House if we can


           10              give $3 million away for another Globe Store


           11              scenario.  This is poor planning, it's just


           12              like Mr. Quinn said, it seems like one hands


           13              feeds another here.  It's just not a


           14              straight deal for the people, it's a bad


           15              deal for the people.  Thank you.


           16                      MR. MCGOFF: Anyone else?


           17              Mr. Stucker.


           18                      MR. STUCKER: How you doing?  Happy


           19              Thanksgiving to the bunch of yous.  Happy


           20              Thanksgiving.


           21                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Thank you, Jim.


           22                      MR. STUCKER:  Okay.  What's


           23              happening at the Globe Store again,


           24              especially in front of Oppenheim's, they are


           25              parking cars there again.  The buses can't






            1              get to the sidewalk?


            2                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Okay, Jim.  We


            3              know.  Every so often we have to send the


            4              police over there to try to straighten it


            5              out.  We'll send them over again.


            6                      MR. STUCKER: And I was just talked


            7              to a guy just now, he fixed Parrot Avenue,


            8              the holes.


            9                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I was on there.


           10              You're right, they did fix it.  It's nice


           11              now right?  You are happy.


           12                      MR. STUCKER: Yeah.


           13                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I'm happy to.


           14                      MR. STUCKER: I went to a dinner


           15              tonight, Sister Adrian's.


           16                      MS. FANUCCI: That was tonight.


           17                      MR. STUCKER: That's why I couldn't


           18              make it.  I just made it now.


           19                      MR. COURTRIGHT: That's good, Jim.


           20                      MR. STUCKER:  She gave me three


           21              dinners.


           22                      MS. FANUCCI: Oh, that was nice.


           23                      MR. STUCKER: I had an operation.  I


           24              fell off the bike, so Dr. Rich from Dickson


           25              City operated on me.






            1                      MR. COURTRIGHT: He helped you with


            2              your thumb?  Good, Jim.


            3                      MR. STUCKER: Yeah.


            4                      MR. COURTRIGHT: You're okay now;


            5              right?


            6                      MR. STUCKER: I'm in pain right now.


            7                      MR. COURTRIGHT: You are in pain


            8              right now?


            9                      MR. STUCKER: Yeah.  I took


           10              four Vicodins last night.


           11                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Oh, God.  Okay.


           12                      MR. STUCKER: To get rid of my pain.


           13              The pain was killing me.  And the guy who


           14              fixed that light, I didn't go down that


           15              way --


           16                      MR. COURTRIGHT: It's fixed; right?


           17                      MR. STUCKER:  Yeah, I didn't go down


           18              that way.


           19                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I think they fixed


           20              it.


           21                      MR. STUCKER: Okay.  My garbage is


           22              getting picked up and that, so -- and there


           23              is a bar, maybe you can straighten them out.


           24              Right around the corner is a new bar, right


           25              next to Tink's with the ship on top outside






            1              of the roof outside, the wall.  They had a


            2              bar there and Mayor Doherty was there and


            3              it's not right because they are still a


            4              $1.75 or $2.75 for a draft beer.  Now, come


            5              on.


            6                      MR. COURTRIGHT: You know, we can't


            7              control what they sell beer for, Buddy.


            8                      MR. STUCKER:  Yeah.  Because you


            9              have to close it down.


           10                      MR. COURTRIGHT: No, you can't close


           11              it down.  Just go somewhere cheaper then.


           12              Yeah, we can't control the beer price.


           13                      MR. STUCKER:  I'm selling my snow


           14              blower and getting a scooter.


           15                      MR. COURTRIGHT: You what?


           16                      MR. STUCKER: I'm getting another


           17              scooter.  Pat is going to get me one.


           18                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Jim, Jim, you can't


           19              get the scooter, remember, because you can't


           20              ride it on the street?  Remember that's why


           21              the cops made you get rid of the last one.


           22                      MR. STUCKER:  I had it last year and


           23              they let me go.


           24                      MR. COURTRIGHT: They let you go?


           25                      MR. STUCKER: Yeah.






            1                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  I just don't want


            2              to go through the same scenario we went


            3              through before where they made you take it


            4              off the street; right?


            5                      MR. STUCKER: Yeah.


            6                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Yeah.  You can't


            7              ride it on the street, Jim.


            8                      MR. STUCKER: Okay.


            9                      MR. COURTRIGHT: All right.  Happy


           10              Thanksgiving.


           11                      MS. FANUCCI: Happy Thanksgiving.


           12                      MR. MCGOFF:  Thank you, Jim.  Anyone


           13              else?


           14                      MR. DOBSON: Good evening, Council,


           15              Dave Dobson.  Once again I'd like to discuss


           16              the public access TV and I'd also like to


           17              note that these are not the opinions of


           18              anyone currently connected with it or


           19              previously other than myself.


           20                      Now, under the current procedure


           21              with our various authorities spread all over


           22              town the current procedures for taping of


           23              public meetings would be to acquire and


           24              transport portable equipment, find a place


           25              to park, spend money on a place to park,






            1              hopefully it would be close enough to the


            2              site where it wouldn't make things even


            3              worse, toting all of this equipment.  You


            4              have to tote this equipment to the site of


            5              the hearing and you have to set it up,


            6              finish the taping and return the equipment


            7              to and find parking and tote it back into


            8              the public access TV facility.


            9                      And under what I have in mind is use


           10              city council chambers, the equipment to be


           11              installed in the future, in the near future,


           12              negate two hours of unnecessary work with an


           13              all volunteer force, and the advantages


           14              would be to eliminate time and expense,


           15              eliminate redundant expenditures, especially


           16              for equipment and minimizes the risk of


           17              transient damage, someone could always run


           18              into your car and wreck a camera or


           19              something like that or you could just trip


           20              and fall toting it around.  These things


           21              cost several thousand dollars from what I


           22              understand.  It makes use of city hall space


           23              and if we started to call in some of these


           24              authorities it would also eliminate rental


           25              space and with the space available and






            1              underused or unused in city hall.


            2                      So other than the budget to try and


            3              do your best on that and keep it in line


            4              that's what I wanted to say tonight, so


            5              thank you and have a good night and please


            6              consider this because it's very important.


            7              There is a lot of work goes into this and


            8              it's very difficult and time consuming and


            9              it probably eliminates a lot of people,


           10              potential people that could volunteer due to


           11              transportation situations of their own.


           12              Thank you and have a good night.


           13                      THE COURT:  Thank you, Mr. Dobson.


           14                      MR. MORGAN: Good evening, Council.


           15              I would just like it say that, you know,


           16              sitting back here listening to the comments


           17              of the individuals who came up here and


           18              spoke, the one thing that I don't understand


           19              at this point is, Mrs. Fanucci, you came to


           20              a conclusion that 25 percent of Mr. Greco's


           21              salary is being spent for Right to Know?


           22                      MS. FANUCCI: No, I didn't come it a


           23              conclusion, and it wasn't 25 percent, his


           24              salary, well, he spent $25,000 right now on


           25              just two people in our -- well, that's






            1              25 percent, but I was trying to say that we


            2              will give him more money, two people in this


            3              chambers who filed Right-to-Know constantly,


            4              serial Right-to-Know filers, yes, have spent


            5              $25,000 out of taxpayers' money just for


            6              their own information constantly, yes.


            7                      MR. MORGAN: Yes.  Now --


            8                      MS. FANUCCI: I'm not just trying to


            9              say that's a fact.


           10                      MR. MORGAN: No, no, that's fine, but


           11              I think that everybody in this city and


           12              throughout this country needs to know that


           13              the citizens have a Right-to-Know everything


           14              about their government.


           15                      MS. FANUCCI:  No doubt and I'm right


           16              with you on that, but you know what, I don't


           17              want to pay $25,000 for people to come here


           18              week after week to badger people and to do


           19              that just to create their own, you know,


           20              dynamic.  That's what it's about.


           21                      MR. MORGAN: I don't think an


           22              individual ever has the ability to create


           23              their own dynamic because they live in a


           24              society that's ruled in some general fashion


           25              by politicians who try to constrain






            1              information and what we found here in this


            2              city is that this mayor had a new vision for


            3              this city that was backed up by previous


            4              councils and what this mayor has done is he


            5              has scattered the authorities across the


            6              city to make it almost impossible to know


            7              exactly what's going on with these


            8              authorities.


            9                      MS. FANUCCI: This is just OECD.


           10              This isn't authorities, this is just OECD so


           11              you know what we are talking about.


           12                      MR. MORGAN: It may be OECD, but


           13              what's happened in this community is we have


           14              wasted millions and millions and millions of


           15              dollars and what we have done to the general


           16              public is we have forced them into poverty,


           17              and then what we did is we turned around and


           18              we said, "If you can't pay your taxes we are


           19              going to put fees on top of them and we're


           20              going to sell the right to collect them to


           21              NCC."


           22                      We have done the most horrendous


           23              things to our citizens politically that you


           24              can ever imagine and it's definitely wrong


           25              and anybody who has a real vision for the






            1              city has to start over.  We needed a mayor


            2              in this city that has a real vision of


            3              change.


            4                      MS. FANUCCI: Let me ask you a


            5              question, can I ask you a question?


            6                      MR. MORGAN: Go ahead.


            7                      MS. FANUCCI: Do you believe that


            8              people that come here week after week


            9              talking about being fiscally responsible,


           10              talking about how money is frivously spent


           11              and just one department of our city, doesn't


           12              count all over the place, if I pulled the


           13              number from the state that they have done,


           14              the numbers from other departments that they


           15              have done, the money we have spent on just


           16              keep filing these things for their own


           17              benefit, do you believe that that's fiscally


           18              responsible?


           19                      MR. MORGAN: I believe that --


           20                      MS. FANUCCI: And as a city


           21              councilwoman do you think I should sit here


           22              and believe that that's a good idea and good


           23              for the taxpayers of this city who can't put


           24              food on their plates at night and who work


           25              three different jobs to try to keep their --






            1              is that okay and then listen to them week


            2              after week telling me I'm not doing my job.


            3                      MR. MORGAN:  I think that people


            4              have an ability to have a knowledge of the


            5              environment they are in and since they live


            6              in the City of Scranton they have a


            7              knowledge of the things that occur here.


            8              They may not have knowledge of the things


            9              that occur in the state because it's too


           10              broad of a picture, they may not have


           11              knowledge of what happens in the federal


           12              government, but here they are a ground.


           13              They know their own community and I think


           14              that they are aware of some things that may


           15              be limited in scope because they only know


           16              the things they know and they ask questions


           17              about the things that they would like to


           18              know about the things they assume they know.


           19                      MS. FANUCCI: Well you know and I


           20              know I answer all -- you and I have worked


           21              very well together in the past, you have


           22              asked me questions I have done that.  That


           23              is not the issue.  The issue is when you


           24              want a question and you are finding it and


           25              you digging for a certain thing and you find






            1              the answer, then you have your answer, but


            2              these things are not coming out.  They


            3              are conspiracy theories, they are a trying


            4              to look for dirt, they are trying to -- but


            5              guess what, at the end of the day they still


            6              find nothing and they are costing me a


            7              fortune.


            8                      MR. MORGAN:  I think that people who


            9              have grown up here have a pretty good idea


           10              of what's caused this city to go into


           11              decline as it has for generations, but I


           12              would like to say that we need to find a new


           13              direction here.  We need a new mayor.  We


           14              need people who care about the people.  We


           15              need people that aren't going to waste


           16              money.  Mr. Obama was elected as the


           17              president of this country, president elect


           18              of this country, people thought race was an


           19              issue and it wasn't.  People want change.


           20              They want change here.  They want change


           21              across this whole nation.  We have gone to


           22              being number one in the world in almost


           23              everything to 50th in education, okay, and


           24              other things, 23rd in infant mortality.


           25                      Our country is a major decline even






            1              we look to elected officials that we elect


            2              to be leaders, but we don't have that, what


            3              we have is one hand washing the other, okay,


            4              and that's the problem here.  We have


            5              politics on every single level.  Why are


            6              20 percent of the residents in this city in


            7              poverty?  Think about that.


            8                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr. Morgan.


            9              Mr. Ancherani.


           10                      MS. GATELLI: Here's the caboose.


           11                      MS. FANUCCI: There it is.


           12                      MR. ANCHERANI:  Here we go again.


           13                      MS. FANUCCI: It's like Groundhog


           14              Day, isn't it?


           15                      MS. GATELLI:  Yeah, Groundhog Day.


           16                      MR. ANCHERANI:  We all come up and


           17              we listen to everybody else.  Good evening,


           18              Nelson Ancherani.  I just have some


           19              observations and some questions about the


           20              budget before you vote on it.  Again, I'm


           21              glad there is no tax hike like the


           22              25 percent tax hike in 2007 approved and


           23              voted on by Mrs. Gatelli, Ms. Fanucci -- -


           24                      MS. FANUCCI: Here we are --


           25                      MR. ANCHERANI: -- and Mr. McGoff.






            1              Ms. Fanucci doesn't like when her named is


            2              mentioned.  It wasn't the taxpayers who


            3              voted for the 25 percent increase, it was


            4              the three I mentioned.  It's been said up


            5              there on council that the council speakers


            6              have an agenda when we come to the podium to


            7              speak.  You are right.  But there are


            8              council persons up there on council with


            9              agendas.  In fact, they vote for every


           10              controversial agenda item that the mayor


           11              wants.  In fact, three of the council


           12              persons voted for the 2007-2008 budgets that


           13              granted pay raises to certain and favored


           14              city employees and up to the end of 2008


           15              that will be 15 million cumulatively.


           16                      The 2008 budget was a record budget.


           17              Whose agenda was it to vote for the


           18              $6.1 million loan a little over a month ago?


           19              We have revenues, that's loans, sales of


           20              assets totaling over $600 million the last


           21              seven years and we are going to default on a


           22              $5.5 million loan that was going to be


           23              coming due next month?  All of that money in


           24              revenues and we are going to default plus we


           25              have well over six million sitting in the






            1              Single Tax Office plus interest and I would


            2              be willing to bet it's closer to


            3              $10 million.


            4                      Like I said, you are right, the


            5              speakers do have agendas.  Our agendas are


            6              to be as informed as we can about city


            7              business, to be informed how are elected


            8              officials are spending our hard-earned tax


            9              dollars, to object to the politics as usual


           10              that the politicians don't want us to know


           11              about.  Some politicians like it when their


           12              to know is a don't know what's going on.


           13              There is no one to question whether are


           14              hard-earned tax dollars are spent wisely and


           15              we are getting our money's worth.  Times


           16              have changed.  We want to be an informed


           17              public.


           18                      Now, the fire department award, and


           19              maybe I shouldn't speak on that, but I'm


           20              going to.  Stu Renda said it's going to cost


           21              the city 2.6 million between 2008 and 2014.


           22              Where was Stu Renda stating that since 2002


           23              when 15 million cumulatively was spent on


           24              raises and new hires.  That amount could be


           25              the 20 million mark by the end of 2009.






            1              Cumulatively we are looking at a lot of


            2              money by 2014, so 2.6 million in the fire


            3              department doesn't sound too bad.  That's


            4              going to be appealed according to the city.


            5              Ms. Fanucci, millions are going to be spent


            6              on attorneys to appeal that.


            7                      MS. FANUCCI: More.


            8                      MR. ANCHERANI: More than the money


            9              that's spent for Mr. Greco so we are going


           10              to find out whose wasting whose money.


           11                      MS. FANUCCI:  And I'm all about


           12              settling the contracts, Mr. Ancherani, trust


           13              me.


           14                      MR. ANCHERANI: Understand.  The


           15              budget, one fast question and you can all


           16              answer yes or no so I can continue, Mrs.


           17              Gatelli, did you look through the budget?


           18                      MS. GATELLI: Yes, I did.


           19                      MR. ANCHERANI: Mr. McGoff, did you


           20              go through the budget?


           21                      MR. MCGOFF: Yes.


           22                      MR. ANCHERANI:  Mr. Courtright?


           23                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Yes.


           24                      MR. ANCHERANI: Ms. Fanucci?


           25                      MS. FANUCCI:  Okay.  Because






            1              Mr. McGoff said he was going to do his


            2              homework so I'm glad he did.  Anyway, I went


            3              through the budget.  I didn't go through it


            4              all yet, I'm still going through it.  The


            5              pie chart again I'm going to mention, we've


            6              got, it says, 24 percent is for the police


            7              department, so 24 percent of the 78 million,


            8              that would be $18,835,286; 25 percent for


            9              the fire department that would be


           10              $19,620,194.  All of the pie charts, all of


           11              the different items if you add up the


           12              percentages it comes out to 101 percent.  I


           13              don't know who is doing the addition, but


           14              when you look at the pie chart and you go


           15              through all of those numbers it comes out to


           16              10 percent.


           17                      A hundred and one percent of the


           18              budget amount, if you go through that, it


           19              comes out to 79,265,000, that's more than


           20              the budget, and everyone of the pie charts


           21              when you go through the budget, when you go


           22              through the actual budget for every one of


           23              the departments is less than what the budget


           24              with the percentages on the pie chart.  It's


           25              less, much less.  I have more, but I'll






            1              finish next time.  Thank you.


            2                      MR. MCGOFF:  Anyone else?  Mrs.


            3              Gatelli?


            4                      MS. GATELLI:  I'll start with


            5              Boscov's.  I'm in favor of the city loaning


            6              $3 million to Boscov's Department Store.  I


            7              was involved with Boscov's, as you know,


            8              with Mayor Connors and you've read Mayor


            9              Connors comments in the paper recently


           10              concerning Boscov's.  We have had some


           11              similar problems back then when we were


           12              doing the Steamtown Mall on Lackawanna


           13              Avenue.  I read some letters to the editor


           14              saying, you know, there were stores there


           15              and they would have survived, well, no, they


           16              wouldn't survive.  Those stores that were


           17              there were in bad shape financially and the


           18              mall was the only way out.  It was a


           19              wonderful project and I was glad to have


           20              participated in it.


           21                      The problem now is if you don't have


           22              Boscov's as the anchor there's a chance that


           23              the whole mall could be in trouble.  I'm not


           24              willing to take that chance, maybe you are.


           25              The federal government just agreed for I






            1              think 700 billion to bail out Wall Street.


            2              We can't help our mall for three million?


            3              Something is wrong with this picture in


            4              Scranton.


            5                      You talk about Scranton, don't you


            6              see what's happening from the top down?


            7              Everybody is in trouble.  Everybody is in


            8              trouble across the whole country.  I think


            9              we needed to help Boscov's and if comes


           10              before this council I surely am voting yes,


           11              to loan Al Boscov the money for his


           12              department stores.  He hires a lot of


           13              people, there is wage tax, he is an icon in


           14              this community and it's certainly will not


           15              be lost revenue in my opinion.


           16                      Mrs. Schumacher, she seems to have


           17              all of the quotes about me, I don't know


           18              where you get them all, Mrs. Schumacher, she


           19              always quotes me.  The rental registration,


           20              yes, I agree with you that was one of my


           21              ideas.  Wayne Evans and I wanted to do that


           22              a long time ago.  As a matter of fact, we


           23              started doing it when I still worked in


           24              OECD, but it never came to fruition.


           25              Hopefully it's going to come to fruition






            1              this year because I have told Mr. Renda that


            2              one of my amendments will be to put in two


            3              health inspectors, two additional health


            4              inspectors to help with the rental


            5              registration program, and we are going to


            6              have someone, a company, do the registration


            7              part.  That seems to be what was holding it


            8              up.  It's quite a big piece to chew and I


            9              think we need to put that out for someone


           10              private to do that part.  Once we get them


           11              all registered then I think the department


           12              would have a better handle on it, so that's


           13              what I'm anticipating to do in this


           14              particular budget and to housing two housing


           15              inspectors for the rental registration


           16              program.


           17                      As far as the City of Bethlehem, I


           18              do admire them.  They have their own health


           19              department, they have their own utility


           20              company, they have their own ambulance


           21              service, when I went down there it's more an


           22              of county than a city, they control a lot


           23              things that are a county would do up in


           24              Lackawanna County and having their own


           25              utility company certainly an asset because






            1              they can charge, you know, for the utilities


            2              and that helps with their budget.  Their


            3              budget is this thick (indicating).  I have


            4              an old copy of one at home.  They have a lot


            5              more revenue producing items than we have


            6              and basically because of their owning


            7              utility companies and the health department


            8              and the ambulance and they do have a very


            9              successful rental registration program.


           10                      As far as the rest of the budget, I


           11              told Mr. Renda I was not in favor of the


           12              salary increases for Mr. Hayes or


           13              Mrs. Moran.  Last year I was in favor of the


           14              police chief and the fire chief getting a


           15              raise because I was under the impression


           16              that the contracts were going to be settled.


           17              As of yet, contracts have not been settled.


           18              The money is in the budget, we have been


           19              very close to having the contracts settled,


           20              or so I was informed by several sources


           21              including the mayor, and that does not seem


           22              like it's going to happen now.


           23                      I told the mayor, oh, maybe a month


           24              ago that it would be nice, I approved, you


           25              know, he discussed with me some of the






            1              raises, I said absolutely, that's not a


            2              problem as far as I was concerned and I said


            3              I would really like you to include it all in


            4              the budget and let's just do it all in one


            5              fail swoop.


            6                      And I said and if the taxes have to


            7              be raised I don't have a problem with doing


            8              that either as I have said many times up


            9              here, I would not have a problem raising


           10              taxes to pay the police and firemen.  I'm


           11              not uncomfortable doing that.  There are


           12              taxing bodies that raise the taxes every


           13              year.  It's a fact of life.  Look at your


           14              utility bill.  Mine in 2002, my electric


           15              bill was $30.  This month it's 160, so look


           16              at how much that went up since 2002.  It's a


           17              fact of life, cost of living, everything


           18              goes up.


           19                      The health care is up to, oh, let me


           20              see what I wrote down here, 11 million just


           21              for health care.  I mean, that's ludicrous


           22              that we have to pay that much in health


           23              care.  The costs have gone through the


           24              ceiling for everyone.  So I would not have


           25              trouble raising the taxes again to pay






            1              people that deserve it, and absolutely they


            2              do deserve it, but we didn't have to do that


            3              because we got a windfall from the tax


            4              office that was up there hidden somewhere 12


            5              1/2 million and besides that another


            6              3 million was increased in this, you know,


            7              that we got this year in addition to what we


            8              are supposed to get from the missing money.


            9                      So, no, I did approve those salaries


           10              last year because I thought contracts were


           11              settled and they are not settled and I'm not


           12              happy about it.  I expressed that to the


           13              mayor this afternoon and I believe that my


           14              colleagues are in agreement about the


           15              contracts.


           16                      Another thing I said was I wanted to


           17              put in another part-time animal control


           18              officer that would handle the skunks and I


           19              wanted to put in another part-time zoning


           20              officer.  We only have one zoning officer


           21              and there are so many problems in reference


           22              to zoning that he doesn't have time to do a


           23              lot of the things that have to be done


           24              especially the follow-up and the


           25              enforcement.  They may be denied a zoning






            1              variance and a week later they are doing it


            2              and then there is nobody to follow-up on


            3              those discrepancies.


            4                      And the capital, there was capital


            5              costs in parks and recreation and I just


            6              asked that $100,000 go to the Billy Barrett


            7              Park in Minooka that's in deplorable


            8              condition.  I have been back there with


            9              Dr. Georgetti who lives across the street


           10              and so far the mayor has tried to clean it


           11              up a little bit.  They got rid of the


           12              basketball court where people were hanging


           13              around at night and causing a lot of


           14              trouble, but it really needs some upgrading.


           15              So, I wanted to $100,000 of that capital


           16              money in recreation to go to that particular


           17              park.


           18                      Let's see if I have anything else.


           19              I think that's all I have and I would just


           20              like to wish everyone a very happy and a


           21              blessed Thanksgiving.  We should all be


           22              very, very thankful for our blessings.  Even


           23              though we come here and we don't agree with


           24              each other, I think we are all graceful


           25              enough to be friends when we walk out the






            1              door and say Happy Thanksgiving to everyone


            2              and I really hope you have an enjoyable one.


            3              Thank you.


            4                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mrs. Gatelli.


            5              Mrs. Fanucci?


            6                      MS. FANUCCI: You know, I want say a


            7              few things on Boscov's, also.  Mr. Boscov


            8              put so much into this community and has done


            9              so much for this community I'm not sure the


           10              citizens are even aware.  His contributions


           11              to charities and to people in this city is


           12              more than we can repay, quite frankly.  I


           13              know when people sound -- we here that type


           14              of money and we hear what's going on and the


           15              man I think he is coming up with what, 50


           16              million?  Can you imagine being able to


           17              raise $50 million from people of your own


           18              money?  This is his belief and at his age


           19              it's an undertaking that is amazing to me


           20              and he is not doing it for just him, he is


           21              doing it for us.  I don't think you realize


           22              the mall is 1,500 employees, that's shuts


           23              down gone.  Can you imagine?  Just that


           24              building, and that doesn't include the


           25              people who make deliveries there and, you






            1              know, the food service and all of that goes


            2              on inside of the mall, and not to mention


            3              what it does for our community.  You know,


            4              we have our seniors being able to take a bus


            5              downtown and go to the mall.  This would not


            6              happen, so it is worth us putting in


            7              everything we can do to help and paying back


            8              to someone who has done so much more us is a


            9              very easy task, at least for me.


           10                      I'm not sure we understand that type


           11              of situation or that type and people come


           12              here and they are mad about economic


           13              development, they are mad, oh, look what


           14              they got, but look what they give.  These


           15              people have to come up with millions of


           16              dollars out of their own pocket because they


           17              believe in us.  So they make money doing it,


           18              guess what, do you know how long it takes


           19              and how hard it is to do?  None us could do


           20              it.  I certainly couldn't do it.  But, we


           21              should be thankful for that.  We should be


           22              grateful that people are putting that type


           23              of faith in our city and be grateful.  So,


           24              yes, I certainly will vote yes for Mr.


           25              Boscov and I certainly will go down there






            1              and spend money and do what I can to help


            2              him and all of the employees that are there.


            3              In fact, I was there today and a woman


            4              walked up to me and I said, "How do you


            5              feel?"


            6                      And she said, "I am so thankful."


            7              She said, "I have four kids at home, this is


            8              my job, this has been my family."


            9                      And I thought, "Oh."


           10                      I mean, how do you stop that?  You


           11              don't?  So I just wanted to say that.


           12                      Also, I want to discuss about


           13              something that is really good.  Look at me.


           14              Look at me going for the good.  Business


           15              Week Today, huge survey they did.  They


           16              announced the best places to raise your


           17              children and here is how they did it, they


           18              got a team of people from Manhattan, base


           19              provider real estate analysis leaders, and


           20              they came up with a list of each state best


           21              affordable towns for raising children.  The


           22              important factors, school performance,


           23              affordability, safety, cost of living, air


           24              quality, job growth, racial diversity, local


           25              parks, baseball fields, zoos, recreation






            1              centers, museums and theaters.  Now, what


            2              they did is they did it with populations


            3              they had to have fewer than 50,000 for a


            4              median household and you couldn't make more


            5              than $100,000, so their criteria was pretty,


            6              you know, diverse but also in a medium.


            7              They didn't go to the high rent places, they


            8              wanted to see.  Well, I'm very happy to say


            9              that Pittsburgh was one in Pennsylvania,


           10              they were first, Scranton was second.  We


           11              came out second.  I am sorry, but that to me


           12              is the best goal we've had.  You tell me


           13              it's the best place to raise my children and


           14              everyone's children we have been doing


           15              something right, and I know you don't like


           16              to hear it, but the parks and the rec and


           17              the movie theatres and all of that stuff


           18              actually has been doing great things for our


           19              city.  Can you imagine wanting to come here


           20              and live here?


           21                      And you know what I was thinking


           22              today I thought, wow, this is amazing.  Here


           23              I am reading this article, very reputable


           24              magazine, I mean, I'm sure you are going to


           25              argue with it, but it's very reputable and I






            1              thought, wow, here we are, we are in this


            2              place and out of all Pennsylvania second to


            3              be and I thought, you know, I do love it


            4              here and I know people get angry with me


            5              even saying that but I do love it here.  I


            6              think, well, what's the problem?  If you


            7              don't like it there is so many options, so


            8              many other options, but don't come here and


            9              bring it down because, obviously, somebody


           10              thinks we are pretty good and it's not just


           11              me, which is nice.  I actually have proof


           12              now and all of that joking about, oh, it


           13              doesn't mean anything to have economic


           14              development, parks and recs it's just a


           15              waste of money and why are we putting our


           16              money here when we should just paving our


           17              streets, because we want people to drive on


           18              our streets.


           19                      We need to make money so that people


           20              stay here and come here.  It's not just


           21              about filling the potholes because guess


           22              what if the potholes got filled and there is


           23              three people who cares?  It's about bringing


           24              more people here and more jobs and more


           25              opportunities and I'm thankful for our






            1              children that they are in the safe place and


            2              have a lot to do while they are here and


            3              that is my Thanksgiving wish.  Be thankful


            4              for living in Scranton, and that's all I


            5              have.


            6                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.


            7              Mr. Courtright?


            8                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Somebody, I think it


            9              might have been Mr. Spindler, spoke about


           10              arbitration and as I'm sitting here I was


           11              thinking if it's okay with the rest of


           12              council, over the years that I have been


           13              here Mr. Gervasi has been at the podium a


           14              lot, and Mrs. Krake, Mrs. Stulgis has been a


           15              lot, but with all of this going there is a


           16              lot of speculation and a lot of rumor about


           17              what's going on with the contracts and


           18              what's not going on with the contracts and


           19              the police unit has a new president and I


           20              was wondering if was all right if we just


           21              send him a letter, Bob Martin his name is,


           22              he is a sergeant in the detective bureau,


           23              and ask him if he would come here next week


           24              say, for instance, maybe 6:00 and I think he


           25              would be acceptable to all -- I will just






            1              ask him some questions at the podium there.


            2              I know there a lot of things he can't talk


            3              about, but there are a lot of things that he


            4              could talk about, so that we don't have all


            5              of the rumor and the speculation that's


            6              going on because obviously I think we all


            7              realize that the contract negotiations have


            8              kind of broken down and if he could shed


            9              some light on it so that we don't have the


           10              rumors and speculation I think that would be


           11              a good thing and give us an opportunity to


           12              talk to him.  He has never been to the


           13              podium since I have been here and if that's


           14              all right with everyone we'll send a letter


           15              and ask him if he would be willing to come


           16              next week, is that okay with everybody?


           17                      MS. FANUCCI: Sure.


           18                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  So, Kay, if you


           19              could do that.  Again, I'm sure there is


           20              things he cannot talk about and I think we


           21              are all smart enough not to ask him


           22              questions that he can't answer, but just a


           23              little bit of information from him I think


           24              might help an awful lot of rumors,


           25              especially after that arbitration thing went






            1              down.


            2                      I think it might have been Les


            3              again, Southern Union, I was happy that


            4              somebody bought Southern Union.  Did he get


            5              a good deal?  I believe he did and I guess


            6              that's what you're in business for to get


            7              the best deal you could, I don't think that


            8              he has gotten any city money.  I don't think


            9              we have given him money from the city to do


           10              that.  I mean, I know it's a KOZ, but I


           11              think it's an individual that put his own


           12              money into buying that building, he is


           13              trying to fill the people, who is coming in


           14              here is it Merrill Lynch that's coming in?


           15                      MS. GATELLI:  Merrill Lynch.


           16                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So I think Southern


           17              Union is a good building and I do feel it


           18              was sitting there vacant and then this guy


           19              bought it and if he got a good deal good for


           20              him, and he is going to put businesses in


           21              there and I -- pardon?


           22                      MS. GATELLI:  And we didn't pay for


           23              it.


           24                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  That's what I said.


           25              "We" meaning the taxpayers "we" did not fund






            1              that project.  It's his own money and I


            2              thank him for buying that and I really think


            3              that's a good thing for the downtown.


            4                      One last thing I want to speak on.


            5              Mrs. Schumacher e-mailed me on this and


            6              Mr. Hubbard brought it up, I spoke to Linda


            7              Aebli from OECD about the beat cop in


            8              Greenridge.  The beat cop is allowed to be


            9              down there in Greenridge, but they don't


           10              qualify for the money and the explanation on


           11              it, I didn't feel that I would do it justice


           12              to explain why that happened, she explained


           13              it to me and I asked her if she would put


           14              something in writing that I could read here


           15              so that I did do it justice, but she hasn't


           16              gotten that to me yet, but according to her


           17              when we have the maps in our office that


           18              beat officer is allowed down in that area,


           19              but they are not entitled to funding.


           20                      I didn't believe that was so in the


           21              beginning and I am kind of doubtful now, but


           22              the way she explains it, and maybe she can


           23              come in and explain it to all of us because


           24              I know, I'm looking at Mrs. Gatelli over


           25              there and she is look like that's






            1              farfetched, right?  But that's the way she


            2              explained it to me and that's why I asked


            3              her if she would be put in this writing to


            4              me because the explanation she gave me, I


            5              don't think I understand it fully, and I


            6              don't think I would do it any justice and


            7              Kay is looking like she wants to say


            8              something.  Do you want to say something


            9              over there, Kay?


           10                      MS. GARVEY: Linda did stop by the


           11              office, Mrs. Aebli stopped in the office,


           12              looked at our map because we do have that


           13              map in there, however, we don't have the


           14              block or the tracks marked on ours, so she


           15              tried to explain that the best way that she


           16              could, if I understood her correctly, it's a


           17              2000 census track by track and block groups.


           18              Gardener Avenue is located in the track, and


           19              it's the number, block two.  Block 2 is not


           20              located in a low to moderate income area,


           21              however, the service area for both Block 1


           22              and 2 averaged together you will get a low


           23              to moderate income area of over 51 percent,


           24              so by putting those two together it allows


           25              the police to go into that service area,






            1              however, they are not eligible for low to


            2              moderate income funding on their own.


            3                      MS. GATELLI:  I see.


            4                      MR. COURTRIGHT: You did a wonderful


            5              job, Kay, better than I could do.


            6              Mrs. Schumacher, do you -- if you could just


            7              nod, I know I can't speak back and forth to


            8              you, do you understand that explanation?


            9              Okay.  I didn't think I would do it justice.


           10                      MS. GATELLI: I see what she is


           11              saying.


           12                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So, I tried to do a


           13              little bit of my homework as Mr. McGoff said


           14              he was going to do his homework because I


           15              figured that it was odd that you would have


           16              a police officer and you can't get funding.


           17                        And I spoke with some of the


           18              members of the council just very briefly


           19              before the meeting and in particular Mrs.


           20              Gatelli, we are going to look into for those


           21              of you who have been asking me about


           22              reduction the beat officers we are going to


           23              look into that and I truly think we will get


           24              that rectified, so those of you who have


           25              been asking about it know what I'm talking






            1              about and I think we are all in agreement on


            2              what we want done there, so I think you will


            3              see that happening.  And just a Happy


            4              Thanksgiving to everybody and that's all I


            5              have.  Thank you.


            6                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr.


            7              Courtright.  I didn't think we are going to


            8              speak about the mall bailout this evening,


            9              but since it has been brought up, I'm not a


           10              fan of the idea of trickle down economics,


           11              historically it hasn't worked.  Giving money


           12              to corporate entities with the hope that it


           13              will eventually get somehow to the people


           14              has simply not worked in any major way.  The


           15              problem is that the opposite has not been


           16              overly effective either.  You know, there


           17              are critics of the new deal with the idea of


           18              giving money to the workers and hopefully


           19              that will bolster the economy, there is


           20              disagreement about that idea as well.


           21                      I guess what it comes down to is


           22              that if you are going to give money


           23              somewhere there has to be the trust that


           24              that money will be used wisely, and I guess


           25              in the case of the mall and Boscov's I guess






            1              it comes down to trusting the man to do the


            2              right thing with the money that is going to


            3              be given.  From what people are saying,


            4              Mr. Boscov has been mentioned here,


            5              Mr. Boscov is very civic minded and has done


            6              a great deal for all of the communities in


            7              which the stores have been, his stores have


            8              been placed.  I'm hoping that that fiscal


            9              responsibility and civic responsibility


           10              continues because it is a great deal of


           11              money to be given in this type of situation.


           12              Hopefully at the national level it works


           13              equally as, you know, or it will work in the


           14              same way that the people that are being


           15              given these large sums of money can be


           16              trusted to use it to benefit of the


           17              community and not to the corporation itself.


           18                      Just a quick mention of some things


           19              that were brought up, I know Mr. Spindler is


           20              not happy with the Betty Boop cartoon, but I


           21              have had people come to me and tell me that


           22              they are pleased with the extent of the


           23              programming that is being placed on ECTV,


           24              the quality of the programming as well.


           25              Hopefully that will continue to progress and






            1              that it becomes a very viable entity for us.


            2                        Also, the request to have meetings


            3              of other government entities be held in


            4              council chambers, as far as I know we cannot


            5              legislate where people meet, specifically


            6              autonomous authorities can meet wherever


            7              they wish to meet I would assume.  We can


            8              request that, you know, people meet here to


            9              facilitate public access TV being available


           10              to televise these meetings, but we cannot


           11              legislate and I agree with Mr. Dobson it


           12              would be a great idea if everyone were to


           13              meet here so that it could be placed on


           14              public access TV, but I don't think that


           15              that's going to happen.  I would ask that we


           16              do make the request, you know, all of the


           17              authorities and other governmental agencies


           18              to hold meetings here, but we will have to


           19              wait and see what their response is.


           20                      Also, a mention of Bethlehem, it


           21              comes up, I do know that one of the things


           22              that allows Bethlehem to somewhat I'll say


           23              thrive is the large number of urban programs


           24              that are conducted in the City of Bethlehem.


           25              Two that I have been or three that -- music






            1              fest that they have, the Celtic festival


            2              that they have and downtown Bethlehem and


            3              also the Christmas light show that they have


            4              in Bethlehem attract people from all over


            5              and is a great revenue maker for the city.


            6              There are constantly events being held in


            7              downtown Bethlehem that attract people that


            8              spend money and it's been to the great


            9              benefit of Bethlehem so that they do not


           10              have to get into raising taxes and so on and


           11              maybe allow for the greater revenue source.


           12                   Perhaps that's something that the City


           13              of Scranton needs to look into doing things


           14              that attract people to the city through


           15              these types of programs and maybe we can


           16              also benefit from that type of revenue


           17              source.  And that is all that I have.  Thank


           18              you.


           19                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Mr. McGoff, could I


           20              just say one thing, you reminded me, I had


           21              two calls today and, Kay, maybe you can send


           22              a letter or call ECTV, they are under the


           23              impression that we were supposed to go live


           24              today because it was the end of the month


           25              and I told them I didn't know and I do not






            1              know when we will, can you ask them when


            2              that is going to happen.  That's it.  Thank


            3              you.


            4                      MS. GATELLI:  May I, Mr. McGoff?


            5                      MR. MCGOFF: Absolutely.


            6                      MS. GATELLI: I forget to mention one


            7              thing very important that will probably be


            8              the headline tomorrow morning, when we were


            9              in caucus I inquired as to how we would


           10              raise the mayor's salary.  Now, you might be


           11              shocked and say how dare her say such a


           12              thing, but I do think that the salary of the


           13              mayor is much rather ludicrous.  There is no


           14              other governmental agency that the CEO quote


           15              is paid so little.  The mayor of


           16              Wilkes-Barre they said makes $82,000, our


           17              mayor makes 50 and he has since at least


           18              Wenzel, the salary hasn't been increased.  I


           19              think that sometimes when the salary is so


           20              low you don't get somebody of a good quality


           21              to run for mayor.  I think that if the


           22              salary is raised possibly people would show


           23              some interest in it that had, you know, a


           24              great knowledge and didn't want to leave a


           25              job to come and make $50,000, so I asked






            1              Amil to look into when you would raise the


            2              salary of a mayor and you would have to


            3              raise it before the election, so that it


            4              would not be for a particular person, it


            5              would be for whomever won the election, not


            6              for the city mayor, so just not to shock you


            7              tomorrow when you read that in the paper.


            8              It wasn't intended to be solely for Chris


            9              Doherty, it would have to be done before an


           10              election and hopefully if it was done more


           11              people maybe would be interested in serving


           12              as the mayor of the City of Scranton.  Thank


           13              you.


           14                      MR. MCGOFF: I'll just add to that,


           15              we did look that up in the Home Rule Charter


           16              there is provision, there are provisions for


           17              when and how the mayor, the controller, and


           18              city council --


           19                      MR. MINORA: All the elected


           20              officials.


           21                      MR. MCGOFF: -- salaries can be


           22              raised or altered and there is a procedure


           23              that's there and that's what we have to do.


           24                      MS. GARVEY: 5-B.  FOR INTRODUCTION -


           25              A RESOLUTION - AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND








            2              AND APPLY FOR A GRANT THROUGH THE






            5              FOR A GROWING GREENER II MAIN STREET AND




            7              OF $250,000.00.  IF THE GRANT APPLICATION IS


            8              SUCCESSFUL, THE GRANT FUNDS WILL BE


            9              DISTRIBUTED TO THE 500 LACKAWANNA




           11              NAMED AS "500 LACKAWANNA AVENUE


           12              REDEVELOPMENT PROJECT" TO BE USED FOR


           13              BUILDING RENOVATIONS.


           14                      MR. MCGOFF: At this time I'll


           15              entertain a motion that Item 5-B be


           16              introduced into it's proper committee.


           17                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.


           18                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.


           19                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?  All


           20              those in favor signify by saying aye.


           21                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           22                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           23                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           24                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           25              ayes have it and so moved.






            1                      MS. GARVEY: 5-C. FOR INTRODUCTION -


            2              A RESOLUTION - AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND






            5              SERVICES WITH THE LAW FIRM OF CARL J. GRECO,


            6              P.C. FOR LEGAL SERVICES INCLUDING BUT NOT




            8              ECONOMIC AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT ("OECD"),






           11              OF SURPLUS URBAN RENEWAL LANDS, TITLE


           12              SEARCHES AND DEED PREPARATION.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF: At this time I will


           14              entertain a motion that Item 5-C be


           15              introduced into it's proper committee.


           16                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.


           17                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.


           18                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?  Does


           19              this represent an increase --


           20                      MS. FANUCCI:  No, this is just


           21              the -- yeah, that would be coming back down


           22              right after.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF: Okay.


           24                      MS. FANUCCI: Doesn't that come down


           25              after?






            1                      MR. MCGOFF: That's the one --


            2                      MS. GARVEY:  I believe in the


            3              legislation, if that's what you are speaking


            4              on, I think it's for $150,000.


            5                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes.  Thank you.  All


            6              those in favor --


            7                      MR. COURTRIGHT: It's $150,00?


            8                      MS. GATELLI:  What's $150,000?


            9                      MR. MCGOFF: This.


           10                      MS. GARVEY: Carl Greco's contract.


           11                      MS. GATELLI:  Why is it $150,000?


           12                      MS. GARVEY: I believe that's what's


           13              in the red line, in the legislation.


           14                      MS. FANUCCI:  Because it costs


           15              $25,000 for Right-to-Know this year.


           16                      MS. GARVEY: It was 100 the previous


           17              years I believe they are looking for the


           18              150.


           19                      MS. FANUCCI: Plus the development


           20              stuff because they said it was going to be


           21              more because of what we are doing with


           22              development.


           23                      MS. GATELLI: Well, I'll vote to move


           24              it ahead, but, I'm sorry, I wasn't aware of


           25              that.






            1                      MR. COURTRIGHT: On the question,


            2              also, neither was I.  Shame on us.  I


            3              thought $100,000 was a fair price, I was


            4              willing to vote, yes, even though there was


            5              some controversy over it I thought $100,000


            6              was fair.  I will vote to move it ahead, but


            7              I will certainly do my homework next week


            8              $150,000 sounds a little bit high to me.


            9                      MS. FANUCCI: There's some taxpayers


           10              you can try to collect from.


           11                      MS. GATELLI: Well, I know, I


           12              understand that part of it, but the other


           13              part of it is that his contract usually


           14              didn't come until February and it's only


           15              November.


           16                      MS. FANUCCI:  They ran out.  That's


           17              why when I looked into it they ran out of


           18              money because of how the ridiculous amounts


           19              of Right-to-Know that's been filed just for


           20              OECD it's obscene.


           21                      MS. GATELLI: Well, I'd have to see


           22              all of those bills.  I'm not voting for


           23              $150,000.


           24                      MS. FANUCCI: I did, so I can help


           25              you with that.






            1                      MR. MCGOFF: That's why I asked.  I


            2              feel the same way that --


            3                      MS. GATELLI: Yeah, that's a bit


            4              much.


            5                      MS. FANUCCI:  Well, the 25 --


            6                      MR. MCGOFF: If there are excesses


            7              then we can vote on that at a later time,


            8              but --


            9                      MS. FANUCCI: That's true.


           10                      MR. MCGOFF: -- we'll move this


           11              forward and discuss it next week.


           12                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Mr. McGoff, one


           13              more thing and maybe I can ask Mr. Minora,


           14              Mrs. Fanucci is saying that there is


           15              excesses and he went over what it costs, we


           16              have several solicitors on the payroll,


           17              part-time solicitors, are they allowed to


           18              give, for lack of a better term, to give him


           19              a hand, Mr. Greco, if there is an exorbitant


           20              amount of work coming his way?


           21                      MR. MINORA:  I think the reason OECD


           22              has a separate solicitor is because there is


           23              conflicts.  As a general principle there is


           24              a conflict between the city and the federal


           25              government's money, so I guess that's the






            1              answer, you know, you have separate counsel


            2              for that reason.


            3                      MR. COURTRIGHT: All right.  It's not


            4              advisable.  Okay.  Thank you.


            5                      MR. MCGOFF:  All those in favor


            6              signify by saying aye.


            7                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


            8                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


            9                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           10                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           11              ayes have it and so moved.


           12                      MS. GARVEY: SIXTH ORDER.  6-A.


           13              READING BY TITLE FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 49,


           14              2008 - AN ORDINANCE - APPROPRIATING FUNDS




           16              THE PERIOD COMMENCING ON THE FIRST DAY OF


           17              JANUARY 2009 TO AND INCLUDING DECEMBER 31,


           18              2009 BY THE ADOPTION OF THE GENERAL CITY


           19              OPERATING BUDGET FOR THE YEAR 2009.


           20                      MR. MCGOFF: You have heard Reading


           21              by Title of Item 6-A what is your pleasure.


           22                      MS. FANUCCI: Mr. Chairman, I move


           23              that Item 6-A pass Reading by Title.


           24                      MR. MCGOFF: I'll second it.  On the


           25              question?






            1                      MS. GARVEY: That's Mrs. Gatelli's


            2              committee.  I believe the committee on


            3              finance, the budget.


            4                      MS. GATELLI: Yes.  What are we on


            5              6-A?


            6                      MS. FANUCCI:  Sorry.


            7                      MS. GATELLI: Are you trying to take


            8              my finance committee?


            9                      MS. FANUCCI: Yeah, I want it so bad.


           10                      MS. GATELLI: Come on.  Everybody


           11              wanted it.


           12                      MR. MCGOFF: This is only Sixth


           13              Order.


           14                      MS. FANUCCI: It's only Sixth Order.


           15                      MS. GARVEY: I'm sorry.


           16                      MS. GATELLI:  When do we make the


           17              amendments, next week?


           18                      MS. FANUCCI: So you can second and


           19              we are done.


           20                      MS. GATELLI:  Second.


           21                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


           22              those in favor signify by saying aye.


           23                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           24                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF: Aye. Opposed?






            1                      MR. COURTRIGHT: No.


            2                      MR. MCGOFF: The ayes have it and so


            3              moved.


            4                      MS. GARVEY: SEVENTH ORDER.  7-A. FOR




            6              FOR ADOPTION - FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 48, 2008


            7              - SALE OF TAX DELINQUENT PROPERTY MORE


            8              COMMONLY KNOWN AS SHORT AVENUE, TAX MAP NO.


            9              13420-020-027, SCRANTON, PENNSYLVANIA, TO


           10              CARMEN SAITA, 517 GREENBUSH STREET,


           11              SCRANTON, PENNSYLVANIA, 18508, FOR THE


           12              CONSIDERATION OF $7,000.00.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF: What is the


           14              recommendation of the Chairperson for the


           15              Committee on Finance?


           16                      MS. GATELLI: As Chair for the


           17              Committee on Finance, I recommend final


           18              passage of 7-A.


           19                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Second.


           20                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  Roll


           21              call, please.


           22                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.


           23                      (Mrs. Evans not present.)


           24                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Gatelli.


           25                      MS. GATELLI.  Yes.






            1                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.


            2                      MS. FANUCCI:  Yes.


            3                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. Courtright.


            4                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Yes.


            5                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.


            6                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes.  I hereby declare


            7              Item 7-A legally and lawfully adopted.


            8                      MS. GARVEY: 7-B. FOR CONSIDERATION -




           10              FOR ADOPTION -  RESOLUTION NO. 84, 2008 -


           11              AMENDING RESOLUTION NO. 80, 2008 ENTITLED


           12              "ACCEPTING THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE




           14              ("HARB") AND APPROVING THE CERTIFICATE OF




           16              CONTRACTORS, 802 NORTH WASHINGTON AVENUE,




           18              NEW ROOF WITH ARCHITECTURAL SHINGLES,






           21              SIGNS AT 225 VINE STREET, SCRANTON,




           23              AS 802 NORTH WEBSTER AVENUE, SCRANTON,


           24              PENNSYLVANIA.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF: What is the






            1              recommendation of the Chairperson for the


            2              Committee on Community Development?


            3                      MS. FANUCCI:  As Chairperson for the


            4              Committee on Community development, I


            5              recommend final passage of Item 7-B.


            6                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.


            7                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  Roll


            8              call, please?


            9                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.


           10                      (Mrs. Evans not present.)


           11                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Gatelli.


           12                      MS. GATELLI.  Yes.


           13                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.


           14                      MS. FANUCCI:  Yes.


           15                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. Courtright.


           16                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Yes.


           17                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.


           18                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes.  I hereby declare


           19              Item 7-B legally and lawfully adopted.


           20              Happy Thanksgiving to everyone and thank you


           21              for your participation and motion to


           22              adjourn.


           23                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  So moved.










            1                  C E R T I F I C A T E




            3        I hereby certify that the proceedings and


            4   evidence are contained fully and accurately in the


            5   notes of testimony taken by me at the hearing of the


            6   above-captioned matter and that the foregoing is a true


            7   and correct transcript of the same to the best of my


            8   ability.







                                    CATHENE S. NARDOZZI, RPR

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