1              SCRANTON CITY COUNCIL MEETING








            5                          HELD:




            7                   Tuesday, October 21, 2008




            9                        LOCATION:


           10                    Council Chambers


           11                 Scranton City Hall


           12              340 North Washington Avenue


           13                Scranton, Pennsylvania





































                MR. ROBERT MCGOFF, PRESIDENT (Not present)






                MS. JANET E. EVANS



            9   MS. SHERRY FANUCCI



                MR. WILLIAM COURTRIGHT



           12   MS. KAY GARVEY, CITY CLERK






           15   MR. AMIL MINORA, SOLICITOR


























            1                      (Pledge of Allegiance recited and


            2              moment of reflection observed.)


            3                      MS. GATELLI:  Roll call.


            4                      MS. MAGNOTTA:  Mrs. Evans.


            5                      MS. EVANS:  Here.


            6                      MS. MAGNOTTA:  Mrs. Gatelli.


            7                      MS. GATELLI.  Here.


            8                      MS. MAGNOTTA:  Ms. Fanucci.


            9                      MS. FANUCCI:  Here.


           10                      MS. MAGNOTTA:  Mr. Courtright.


           11                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Here.


           12                      MS. MAGNOTTA:  Mr. McGoff.


           13                      (Mr. McGoff not present.)


           14                      MS. GATELLI: Dispense with the


           15              reading of the minutes?


           16                      MS. GARVEY: Third order.  3-A.




           18              MEETING HELD ON OCTOBER 15, 2008.


           19                      MS. GATELLI: Are there any comments?


           20              If not, received and filed.


           21                      MS. GARVEY:  That's it for Third


           22              Order.


           23                      MS. GATELLI: Before we start public


           24              participation I just have a few


           25              announcements.  We were talking recently






            1              about curb cuts and the Center for


            2              Independent Living and I wanted to give out


            3              the phone number for the center because some


            4              of the people didn't have it.  The number is


            5              800-344-7211.  That's Center for Independent


            6              Living, 800-344-7211, and the e-mail is


            7              Info@NEPACIL.org.


            8                      St. Peter's Lutheran Church on Ash


            9              and Taylor is having a pancake and sausage


           10              breakfast this Saturday from 7 to 11, the


           11              cost is $5.00 and it's to support St.


           12              Francis Kitchen.  Also, there will a bake


           13              sale to support the food pantry at Elm Park


           14              Church.


           15                      October 24th to the 31st in


           16              Lackawanna County is red ribbon week.  It is


           17              the campaign to heighten awareness regarding


           18              alcohol and other drug problems facing the


           19              community.  It serves to unite communities


           20              and activities promoting a drug free


           21              life-style and to help coalitions to


           22              implement prevention strategies.  The


           23              campaign focuses on the importance of


           24              successful prevention activities reaching


           25              all spectrums of the community to reduce the






            1              demand for drugs.  Parents, community


            2              groups, human services agencies, churches,


            3              youths, schools, businesses, law enforcement


            4              agencies, governments, senior citizens,


            5              service organizations, media and health


            6              organizes.


            7                      I know all of the schools in the


            8              county will be participating in red ribbon


            9              week.  You will see red ribbons tied on the


           10              fences at the schools and along the


           11              courthouse and the city hall.  If you would


           12              like to support the red ribbon week you can


           13              tie a red ribbon on your car antenna in


           14              support of a drug free community.


           15                      I just wanted to tell you about


           16              something interesting I saw in the "Morning


           17              Call," it is the newspaper for Allentown,


           18              Pennsylvania, and it was in on October 16.


           19              "The mayor of Allentown, Ed Paloski, placed


           20              neglectful city landlords on notice


           21              Wednesday, clean up your properties or face


           22              public humiliation.  The comments came as


           23              the mayor unveiled a new city initiative


           24              dubbed, the "Landlord Hall of Shame," aimed


           25              at publically embarrassing landlords into






            1              action when merely issuing code violations


            2              proves ineffective."


            3                      I will send this onto the mayor and


            4              any of you can read it in the "Morning


            5              Call," but it is another way of getting


            6              deadbeat landlords to try to fix up the


            7              properties.  Many times they are cited over


            8              and over again and nothing is done and they


            9              even are going to for the absentee landlords


           10              put advertisements in the papers where they


           11              live to let the community know that they are


           12              blighting another neighborhood, so I'm going


           13              to send this on the mayor if any of my


           14              colleagues would like to read it, it's


           15              really very interesting and I'm glad that he


           16              is doing that, and that's all I have.


           17                      MS. EVANS: The Unico Tram of Terror


           18              will operate from Shookie's at Nay Aug Park


           19              this Friday and Saturday evenings beginning


           20              at dusk.  Adult tickets are $5.00 and


           21              children are $3.00.  Bring the family and


           22              enjoy a terror filled good time.


           23                      Also, on November 4, the


           24              infrastructure bond referendum will appear


           25              on the ballot.  Voters will be asked if they






            1              favor the Commonwealth incurring


            2              $400 million of indebtedness to finance


            3              grants and loans for infrastructure projects


            4              including water, sewer, and storm water.


            5              The referendum stems from the passage of Act


            6              64 in July.  This is a very important


            7              referendum question for municipal government


            8              and the voters themselves as consumers.


            9              Water and sewer improvement needs in


           10              Pennsylvania alone are in the billions of


           11              dollars while states and federal funding has


           12              been cut in recent years.  If the referendum


           13              passes the Pennsylvania Infrastructure


           14              Investment Authority or Pennvest, would


           15              provide grants and loans to municipalities


           16              and public utilities for the cost associated


           17              with the acquisition, construction,


           18              improvement, expansion, extension, repair on


           19              rehabilitation of all or part of drinking


           20              water system and waste water treatment


           21              system projects.


           22                      Locally, our sewer authority


           23              projects over $150 million in EPA mandated


           24              improvements.  Funds allocated to each


           25              project would being capped based on the size






            1              of the population served, and the average


            2              amount of gallons per day a system handles.


            3              The Pennsylvania Infrastructure Investment


            4              Authority Board would have the ability to


            5              allocate funds above the cap for


            6              comprehensive projects that provide or are


            7              proposed to provide consolidated service to


            8              at least two or more municipalities, and as


            9              we know the Scranton Sewer Authority serves


           10              both Scranton and Dunmore and, as such, may


           11              be eligible for these additional funds.  So,


           12              please consider this issue carefully before


           13              voting on November 4 the impact that all of


           14              this will have on you as ratepayers.  And


           15              that's it.


           16                      MS. GATELLI: Anyone else?  First


           17              speaker is Mr. Spindler.


           18                      MR. SPINDLER: Good evening, Council.


           19              Les Spindler, city residents and homeowner.


           20              Mrs. Gatelli, I didn't get a chance to see


           21              the replay last week you were going to say


           22              something about Whistle's, but I had to


           23              leave and I didn't get a chance to hear what


           24              you said.


           25                      MS. GATELLI:  I had the phone number






            1              for you and I had in the office there is the


            2              form you file when there is a complaint


            3              about smoking.  I couldn't do it for you,


            4              you have to be the person that observed it,


            5              so they are in the office if you want to get


            6              a copy.


            7                      MR. SPINDLER:  Okay.  Thank you.  I


            8              said this again last week, I'm going to say


            9              it this week again, I think the city should


           10              look in a new cable provider.  The citizens


           11              of this city need a break.  Everything else


           12              is going up, their prices are going up and


           13              it's ridiculous.  Would anybody on the


           14              council be against looking into a new


           15              provider?


           16                      MS. GATELLI:  No.  As a matter of


           17              fact, Mr. Spindler, we have Mrs. Garvey


           18              going to send letters to some of the cable


           19              companies and a notice came about a seminar


           20              for cable law and we are going to discuss


           21              sending Attorney Minora to that in January.


           22                      MR. SPINDLER:  Great.  Thank you.


           23              Next thing, Luzerne County wanted to borrow


           24              $16 million and last week a judge decided


           25              only give them about a third of that.  The






            1              judge said they had to tighten their belts


            2              like everybody else is, and the point I'm


            3              trying to make is that what this city has to


            4              do.  You are going to get Mayor Doherty's


            5              budget and he is probably going to want to


            6              borrow more money and we can't keep


            7              borrowing money, we got to cut at the top,


            8              cut all of the fat at the top.  Like Judge


            9              Lakuta said down there, "We got to tighten


           10              our belts and not borrow anymore money."


           11                      Next thing, a gentleman came up to


           12              me last week and said about the corner of


           13              Olive and Penn, on Olive Street going


           14              towards the city, there is a -- it's


           15              supposed to be two lanes there, and he said


           16              people are just making it one lane and


           17              traffic is backing way up because there is


           18              no lines there.  Mrs. Evans, you are


           19              probably familiar with that, so see if the


           20              lines could get painted there.


           21                      MS. EVANS: Give me the location


           22              again?


           23                      MR. SPINDLER:  On Olive Street where


           24              it meets Penn Avenue going away from


           25              Scranton High School, I guess that's east.






            1                      MS. EVANS: Oh, I know exactly where


            2              it is.


            3                      MR. SPINDLER: Hopefully it will take


            4              a little less time than the lines I asked to


            5              be painted which, as a matter of fact they


            6              are working great.  I went down there today,


            7              well, I go there almost everyday and people


            8              actually know what lane to get into and it


            9              only took three years.


           10                      Lastly, it's two weeks today is


           11              election day and I don't know about anybody


           12              else, but in my lifetime I think this is the


           13              most important election in my lifetime.  I


           14              don't think this country as been in bad as


           15              shape as it is in right now and I just hope


           16              everybody gets out to vote and does their


           17              civic duty and does the right thing two


           18              weeks from today.  And that's all I have to


           19              say.  Thank you.


           20                      MS. GATELLI: Thank you,


           21              Mr. Spindler.  Mr. Sbaraglia.


           22                      MR. SBARAGLIA: Andy Sbaraglia,


           23              citizen of Scranton.  Fellow Scrantonians,


           24              on our block grants, there was something, I


           25              don't know if you can explain it, but I






            1              don't know if all of it's in there, but I


            2              know we lost money on the Hilton, exactly


            3              what are we paying for Boscov's, does


            4              anybody know?


            5                      MS. GATELLI:  No.


            6                      MR. SBARAGLIA: They stated it very


            7              clearly that there were two issues, you


            8              know, one was the hotel and one was


            9              Boscov's.  Now, I know that they did


           10              renovations a long time ago to the theatre,


           11              I just wondered if it's in conjunction with


           12              the theatre or in conjunction with the mall


           13              project itself.


           14                      MS. EVANS: Mr. Sbaraglia, I believe


           15              that it would be in conjunction with the


           16              mall because I posed that question the


           17              evening we were visited by the OECD


           18              representatives and they agreed that it was


           19              for the 108 repayment on the Hilton as well


           20              as repayment on the Steamtown Mall.


           21                      MR. SBARAGLIA: Okay.  And I don't


           22              know why we are paying on that, obviously, I


           23              don't know because, you know, Mr. Boscov


           24              still owns the mall, he owns the Sampter's


           25              building, he owns the old Dry Goods and he






            1              owns the theatre.  Surely there is enough


            2              collateral in all of those places to pay off


            3              this loan whatever it's for, but I don't


            4              know, I remember them borrowing a lot of


            5              money for the theatre, I really do, because


            6              they put new seats in and all of that, and I


            7              don't know if that's in conjunction with


            8              that.  I would assume it would be more in


            9              line with that project than with the


           10              original mall other than the fact is that


           11              the mall was connected to the theatre, so I


           12              don't know really know, but I was just


           13              wondering.


           14                      Another thing, as you know we are


           15              self-insured.  Now, we had a huge drop in


           16              the market.  Does anybody get any word at


           17              all on where we stand on our money that was


           18              invested in this self-insured project?  I


           19              know we have to be funded at a certain


           20              amount, below 100 percent, but a certain


           21              amount.  I don't remember exactly whether


           22              it's 90 percent or 85, we went through


           23              somewhere along the line and they were


           24              giving us a little leeway on that, so we are


           25              not fully insured we know that, but are we






            1              less fully insured now and do we have to


            2              make up the difference which is more of a


            3              concern to the taxpayers.  If we have to


            4              make up the loss in the market then,


            5              obviously, somewhere alone the line we have


            6              to get money.  We can't, you know, there is


            7              nothing we can do about it, somewhere we are


            8              going to have to pay.


            9                      And they keep bringing up all of the


           10              teachers and I guess administrators and so


           11              forth, pensions and they keep saying they


           12              lost millions and millions of dollars there,


           13              too, and it's coming to the taxpayers to


           14              make up the difference.  I keep hearing it,


           15              but nobody ever come up with figures, but


           16              that could be on the horizon, too, if we


           17              have to make up losses for the pension fund


           18              for the teachers and so forth and so on,


           19              somewhere along the line I don't know if it


           20              will be done on the state level or on the


           21              city level or what level it will be taken


           22              on, I don't know exactly how that works.


           23                      I don't know how your pension works.


           24              In other words, I don't know how the school


           25              teachers' pension is tied into the state, in






            1              other words, does your pension payments --


            2                      MS. GATELLI: It is the state.


            3                      MR. SBARAGLIA: It is the state, so


            4              your --


            5                      MS. GATELLI:  Pennsylvania State


            6              Employees Retirement System.


            7                      MR. SBARAGLIA: Right, and that's the


            8              one that's is trouble, so eventually that's


            9              going to go, and I don't know if it's going


           10              to be taken from the people in the plan or


           11              from the taxpayers.  I keep hearing a lot of


           12              fries about it that it's going to hit us


           13              like a ton of bricks, but nobody ever


           14              explains it nobody tries to head it off, if


           15              they can't head it off.  If we are headed


           16              for a collision course then I say we should


           17              take some time to look at this problem and


           18              see if we can avoid it rather than let it


           19              fall on us like a ton of bricks like the


           20              market.


           21                      Things have to be looked at in


           22              advance and not the one that comes before


           23              us, for some reason or other the


           24              administration always comes down two days


           25              before this has to done and say you got to






            1              pass it.  That's not a way to do business.


            2              That's not any way to do business.  The way


            3              you to business is to look at the problem


            4              and see if you can solve it before it


            5              becomes a bigger problem.  Like your mother


            6              used to say, a stitch in time saves nine, so


            7              it should be with government.  Thank you.


            8                      MS. GATELLI: Mr. Bolus.


            9                      MR. BOLUS:  Good evening, Council,


           10              Bob Bolus, Scranton.  Just one of the


           11              things, last week I was reading an article


           12              in Clarks Summit where they have now


           13              appointed a junior council and there are


           14              other ones being done following the lead


           15              that as here and it's kind of upsetting to


           16              see an empty table, and I believe that if


           17              you start an internship here again you could


           18              rejuvenate it and learn from our past


           19              mistakes here and give the kids a chance.


           20                   On ECTV, I mean, it's an absolute joke


           21              to see what's been going on.  We had


           22              Scranton Today here, Tomorrow, we had our


           23              meetings covered not only here, but every


           24              meeting throughout the whole area and there


           25              was never a problem.  We spent 90,000 and






            1              the county commissioners are giving 20,000,


            2              so they should be accountable.  You can have


            3              all of the meetings here you want, but until


            4              you turn around and take the bull by the


            5              horns we are going to have the same nonsense


            6              here.  The mayor has tried to suppress the


            7              media, so to speak, the truth of the people,


            8              and it's got to stop.  I mean, we are a


            9              disgrace.  It's an embarrassment to see


           10              what's going on.  If you people didn't give


           11              them the money we may have been getting the


           12              live coverage today.  This is, again,


           13              letting the mayor lead this city and we are


           14              all the followers and there is no


           15              accountability.


           16                      You know, taxpayers have been


           17              wasting money on this mayor and bailing him


           18              out time after time in the millions.  You


           19              know, we are just like the government here


           20              now with the major bail out.  We don't care


           21              how we bail it out as long as somebody pays


           22              the bill, and that's the taxpayers.  Those


           23              that can't even pay their heating bills or


           24              probably pay the phone bills or food bills


           25              today with the economy the way it is and we






            1              are using our tax dollars to continue to


            2              bail this administration out.


            3                      You know the government is bailing


            4              out banks, we are doing all of this


            5              nonsense, the mayor is doing this and doing


            6              that, we can't even settle our firemen and


            7              police contracts in the city and we are the


            8              spotlight of the universe right now and


            9              it's, I mean, embarrassing.  It really is.


           10                   An issue I have, and it's a sore spot,


           11              and being a Scrantonian, Mrs. Fanucci, this


           12              isn't political, this is my right of free


           13              speech tonight.  Governor Palin came to


           14              Scranton, I didn't see a single official


           15              from the city there.  When Mr. McCain came I


           16              didn't see an official.  When some other


           17              party members showed up a lot of officials


           18              showed up.  My displeasure with our


           19              officials is that you represent all of us,


           20              not Democrats, Republicans, Independents,


           21              those that don't vote.  When you people ran


           22              you ran at the pleasure of the people to


           23              serve at the pleasure of the people, not the


           24              other way around, and that's not happening


           25              here and I find it embarrassing that when






            1              people who are running for the highest


            2              office in this country none of our officials


            3              show up, only for a selected group.  You are


            4              supposed to represent all of us.  What you


            5              do individually or who you represent


            6              individually or what party you want to back,


            7              God bless you, that's is your American


            8              right, but when people come to the City of


            9              Scranton and none of our officials greet


           10              these people it's an embarrassment.  The


           11              spotlight of this country has been on


           12              Scranton, Pennsylvania, and I'm ashamed of


           13              it, I really am.  All of you, everybody that


           14              showed here.  I didn't endorse, I didn't do


           15              anything, but I went there because I wanted


           16              to learn.  I wanted to hear and I wanted to


           17              thank them and I did that personally to each


           18              and every one that came here I thanked them


           19              for coming to Scranton as a businessman, but


           20              more importantly as an American and as a


           21              resident here, and I believe everybody here


           22              should do that.  You represent us.


           23                      I know the last time I spoke


           24              Mrs. Evans said her students came first.


           25              Well, I don't think the students would






            1              become illiterate in an hour or a half our


            2              it took the other day to walk across the


            3              street to Riverside Sports and say, "Thank


            4              you for coming to Scranton."


            5                      This is what it's about, whether


            6              it's one person or two people that show up


            7              from the council or the mayor, and more


            8              importantly the mayor, whatever his


            9              political aspirations are I really don't


           10              care.  We all pay into the same pot here and


           11              you represent us all equally and I think you


           12              should do that, you owe it to us because you


           13              are here to serve at our request and


           14              represent all of us when people are looking.


           15                   Just say thank you.  You don't have to


           16              endorse, we are not asking you to endorse.


           17              I just want you to show the courtesy of the


           18              friendly city that we used to be that built


           19              Scranton is to say thank you to people once


           20              and for all.  Thank you.


           21                      MS. GATELLI: Mr. Miller.


           22                      MR. MILLER:  Good evening, Council,


           23              Doug Miller, Scranton.  I would just like to


           24              touch on junior council as well, it was


           25              brought up by Mr. Bolus.  You know, it






            1              certainly is disappointing to me as the


            2              president and founder of the Scranton Junior


            3              Council to see that we are not going to


            4              continue the program here.  Just recently we


            5              found out that Clarks Summit was going to


            6              form a council and I believe that is the


            7              fifth or sixth town in the area to do so and


            8              all of these towns formed these councils


            9              because they followed our lead and saw what


           10              we were doing here and the success we had


           11              with the kids and now in a way we kind of


           12              look a laughing stock because we are not


           13              going to continue with it.  So, you know, I


           14              encourage council to continue.  We started


           15              something good here, it was a success and it


           16              was supported by many all across the city.


           17                      I, too, would like to touch on the


           18              presidential visits, not to become


           19              political, but as elected officials it is


           20              your job, regardless of who you want to


           21              support, it's your personal opinion, but


           22              whether it's the mayor or council or anybody


           23              else you should be there to at least welcome


           24              them to Scranton.  You know, as we all know


           25              we are in the national spotlight, everyday






            1              we are in a national paper making headlines


            2              and you should be there to greet these


            3              candidates because, you know, as an elected


            4              official that's what leaders do.


            5                      The main reason I'm here tonight is


            6              to address the ECTV issue that has become an


            7              issue here at council meetings.  You know,


            8              over the last few weeks I have been reading


            9              that this council is beginning to become


           10              very frustrated with this whole situation,


           11              quite frankly, I am, too.  You know, last


           12              month the station received $90,000 from


           13              OECD, which this council approved, and I


           14              recently read that the county as well is


           15              going to be making a contribution.  You


           16              know, with all of this money I ask myself


           17              why, you know, these meetings here aren't


           18              broadcast live.


           19                      You know, in the past statements


           20              have been made by myself at the podium and I


           21              have objected to what's going on here.  You


           22              know, I have always supported Channel 61, I


           23              lead Junior Council in December of 2007 in a


           24              fundraiser in which we raised nearly $1,000


           25              for the station.  There are many senior






            1              citizens who can't get here each week and


            2              ECTV is the only way they can view these


            3              meetings live.


            4                      When they do finally broadcast the


            5              meetings that are taped they are shown at


            6              times that are not convenient for people.  I


            7              am asking Council and the oversight


            8              committee that you will be officially


            9              appointing tonight to consider returning to


           10              Scranton Today.  It's time to hold ECTV


           11              accountable.  They have made a very big


           12              commitment and they have not followed


           13              through on it and they should have.  If ECTV


           14              does not follow through on it's October 23


           15              deadline then it's time for council to sit


           16              down in these chambers and resolve this


           17              issue once and for all.  That's what leaders


           18              do.  Thank you.


           19                      MS. GATELLI: Mr. Quinn.


           20                      MR. QUINN:  Ozzie Quinn, Taxpayers'


           21              Association.  I just want to bring it your


           22              attention, it's never been printed in the


           23              Scranton Times and Tribune, but we have a


           24              tremendous debt in the City of Scranton, not


           25              only by the city administration, okay,






            1              actually it was 2006 the last audit with


            2              $108 million just in principal, and I know


            3              you refinanced, as you say a refinance,


            4              borrowed $5.5 million to resale.  Now, the


            5              county's debt went up this year because they


            6              refinanced from 207 to 224.4 million, and


            7              that's just the principal, and the school


            8              district is $185 million.  So, you are


            9              floating around a half a billion dollars,


           10              you know, in debt and the city has a


           11              population of 72,000, how many are property


           12              owners?


           13                      This is staggering, okay, and I


           14              don't know how we are ever going to get out


           15              of this debt and, you know, you hear all of


           16              this gobbledygook about refinancing and it's


           17              going to lessen the payments next year, I


           18              heard that from County Commissioner O'Brien,


           19              but the fact is when they are out of there


           20              somebody else is going to borrow and it's


           21              going to continue.  This is scary and


           22              especially with the way that our population


           23              is and our jobs, that the income that's


           24              coming into the households it's -- I don't


           25              know how we are going to do it, but the






            1              thing is that nobody is addressing it.  The


            2              county is going their way, the city is going


            3              their way, and the school board is going


            4              that way and it's coming out of the same


            5              taxpayers' pocket, and now we will see a


            6              budget coming out of it from the mayor.  I


            7              hope that he takes from the lead that county


            8              commissioners did and starts to cut back on


            9              some of the jobs that are not needed and


           10              start to consolidate some of these


           11              departments because it's got to be done.


           12                   I'm going to go to the school board


           13              meeting, the next meeting.  I try to go to


           14              every one of them and they are going to


           15              raise their taxes, no doubt about it, they


           16              got permission to raise it from the state


           17              6.4 percent this year, I don't know what the


           18              city will do, but when we are talking about


           19              a half a billion dollars that's a lot of


           20              nickles for a city our size and I don't


           21              think the people are aware of it out there,


           22              and you know what, I don't know, you know,


           23              if it's getting out, you know, if it's


           24              bouncing off of them or what, but, please,


           25              you know, when you look at this budget this






            1              year try to take into consideration the


            2              people in the City of Scranton, you know,


            3              even though it was 72,000 there is, I don't


            4              know how many taxpayers there are, and it's


            5              not very many and I'm pretty sure that that


            6              $22.4 million the county owes the greatest


            7              percentage of that is going to come from the


            8              City of Scranton because it's a central


            9              business district and the number of homes in


           10              the City of Scranton, so it's a heck of a


           11              burden to be carrying on the taxpayers'


           12              back, so I'd appreciate it if someone would


           13              take the lead here because there is nobody,


           14              and I'm saying nobody taking the lead for


           15              the people in the City of Scranton.  They


           16              are just doing their own little political


           17              thing.  Thank you.


           18                      MS. GATELLI: Mr. Stucker.


           19                      MR. STUCKER: How you doing?  Hi,


           20              Courtright.  Pat, my buddy talked with me


           21              tonight on the phone and he said he got a


           22              lot of catch basins that got a lot of


           23              garbage and weeds and stuff, they have to be


           24              cleaned out, the city has got to do it, they


           25              are sitting down there in the garage and






            1              they are not doing nothing.


            2                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Oh, no, Jim.  They


            3              are not sitting around the garage doing


            4              nothing.  They are going to get to them.


            5                      MR. STUCKER: They got to clean


            6              leaves and stuff, a lot of leaves and stuff


            7              that they can't -- a lot of them they got to


            8              clean them.  Linden and Mulberry we got a


            9              big hole there, a big pothole we got, Linden


           10              and Mulberry.


           11                      MS. GATELLI:  At Linden and


           12              Mulberry?


           13                      MR. STUCKER: Linden and Mulberry,


           14              there is a big hole there and Pat hit it a


           15              couple of times, and the garbage was picked


           16              up pretty good, we've been riding around, me


           17              and my buddy, Pat.  And I got a telephone


           18              now, I got to get it turned on, so I'm


           19              basically waiting for next week, this week I


           20              didn't get it turned on, so I will be


           21              getting my phone turned on and you will be


           22              getting a call because I'll give you my


           23              number when I get it.  And they never fixed


           24              that light yet.


           25                      MR. COURTRIGHT: What light, Jim?






            1                      MR. STUCKER: The one on Mulberry and


            2              -- across from the corner of Capouse and


            3              Mulberry.


            4                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  We'll look at it,


            5              Jim, the streetlight you are talking about?


            6                      MR. STUCKER:  Yeah, the one with the


            7              pole.


            8                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Not the traffic


            9              light.


           10                      MR. STUCKER:  Yeah, the traffic


           11              light?


           12                      MS. GATELLI:  The red light?


           13                      MR. STUCKER: The red and yellow and


           14              green, that has been out already a month,


           15              maybe longer than that.


           16                      MS. GATELLI:  Is it going down or


           17              coming up because I came that way today and


           18              it was working?


           19                      MR. STUCKER:  Going that way, going


           20              up to right where you make the turn on


           21              Mulberry there.


           22                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Oh, on Capouse.


           23                      MR. STUCKER:  Yeah, on the corner of


           24              Capouse and across from the Army where the


           25              old people stay.






            1                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Veteran's Center.


            2                      MR. STUCKER: Yeah, the Veteran's


            3              Center, right across from that.


            4                      MR. COURTRIGHT: We will ask them


            5              about that.


            6                      MR. STUCKER:  Yeah, the lights are


            7              out.  All right?  Okay.


            8                      MS. GATELLI:  Thank you.


            9              Mr. Ellman.


           10                      MR. ELLMAN: Hello, Council.  Ronnie


           11              Ellman.  It's been so long I thought you


           12              might forget who I was.


           13                      MS. EVANS: Never.


           14                      MR. ELLMAN:  Miss Judy, I got some


           15              words.  A very successful religious man gave


           16              me that's words about 30 years ago, 25 years


           17              ago, I forget.  Blessed is the one who


           18              preserves under trial.  That's from Mark I


           19              think he said.


           20                      And I'd like to say a word to these


           21              people behind me, in the late 50's and 60's


           22              I cleaned swimming pools in Los Angeles and


           23              I had a favorite pool off of Mulholland that


           24              overlooked Universal Studios and I used to


           25              come two, three times a week and take just a






            1              beautiful view of the valley.  One day I saw


            2              all of this commotion on one of the


            3              mountains on the property and I couldn't


            4              figure out what in the world was going on,


            5              so at that time I worked part-time at the


            6              Universal Studios and I asked the gate guard


            7              what they were doing and he told me they are


            8              going to remove that mountain for parking


            9              and building and so on, and I thought to


           10              myself, my grand-kids will be cleaning that


           11              swimming pool and they will working on the


           12              mountain, but really in year or so they had


           13              the mountain down to a flat area and that if


           14              you visit Universal you will be standing on


           15              that 10 or 20 acres today.


           16                      What I'm getting at is all of these


           17              people week after week have been attacking a


           18              mountain with a shovel and everybody says


           19              you are beating your head on a wall fighting


           20              this administration, you are not getting


           21              anywhere.  Well, they are, and I want them


           22              to know they are.  When I make my frequent


           23              trips to the men's room at the Taurus Club


           24              and talk politics, because they have a


           25              little section where I just sit all the time






            1              because nobody talks to me there and they


            2              just keep me there sort of until the time to


            3              put me out the door, you know, and I have


            4              found that some of Mr. Doherty's staunchest


            5              supporters just a few months ago have jumped


            6              ship, you know.  And, I mean, people that


            7              really had friendly arguments for a minute


            8              or two they are through and what did it was


            9              this.  This TV was the straw that was the


           10              camel that just broke -- the straw that


           11              broke the camel's back.  It just ashame


           12              $100,000 went down the drain like this to


           13              improve a personal piece of property and for


           14              two or three months, whatever it's been,


           15              nothing is on TV.  I watched it the other


           16              night, the first time I seen anything that


           17              interested me there was a lady talking


           18              become tort, which I just watched a little


           19              program for a minute.  And it's ashame that


           20              this has been going on and you all won't --


           21              you won't give in.  It's just time -- it's


           22              time to just throw in the towel, they're


           23              doing it right.  They are just wasting their


           24              money.  They wasted our time and they have


           25              had long enough to do something, and I won't






            1              keep harping on this.


            2                      But I'd like to congratulate


            3              Mr. McGoff on his running, I think that's a


            4              real accomplishment to me and I'd like to


            5              say, I don't know, six, eight months ago I


            6              mentioned a few people in the community that


            7              I admire and I'd like to mention another one


            8              and that's Joe Snedeker.  I watched him this


            9              summer riding his little bicycle for St.


           10              Joseph's and it was raining as I remember a


           11              whole lot and this is just such an


           12              accomplishment to me that he does this every


           13              year and doesn't seem to be recognized or


           14              anything, you know.  I don't think I'd


           15              confound him on my little scooter and


           16              lasting al that trip really.


           17                      When I was growing up in Memphis


           18              they had a home like St. Joseph, it was


           19              called the Home for Incurables then and my


           20              father volunteered there for 10 or 15 years,


           21              I don't know, but he took me occasionally


           22              with him and it's heart-wrenching to find


           23              yourself there and it takes an outstanding


           24              staff of people and volunteers to work with


           25              these people and that's why I admire






            1              Mr. Snedeker so much.  I just thought I


            2              would say that.  I hadn't heard anybody say


            3              something publically about his


            4              accomplishment of riding that bicycle for


            5              him.


            6                      I mentioned one time that I was


            7              supposed to go work at St. Jude and I didn't


            8              do it and I have always had this guilt sort


            9              of, you know, that I let people down that


           10              needed me at that time.  As tight as I am I


           11              give a little donation to St. Joseph every


           12              year and St. Jude and I'm on the list of --


           13              the sucker list for paralyzed vets and the


           14              dog pond and everything, but I'd like to


           15              personally thank Mr. Snedeker for his


           16              helping St. Joseph so much.  Thank you.


           17                      MS. GATELLI:  Thank you.


           18              Mr. Dobson.


           19                      MR. DOBSON: Good evening, Council.


           20              Dave Dobson, member of the Taxpayers' of


           21              Scranton.  For once you are going to hear


           22              something on your side, irregardless of


           23              whether people think you should be hanging


           24              around at political rallies all day or


           25              whatever or whether you agree with these






            1              people or you don't, working people may be


            2              fired for leaving work without notice or


            3              reasonable cause, you know, you just can't


            4              walk out of work and go to some political


            5              rally and do what you want and that's kind


            6              of silly.


            7                      And, number two, Comcast should be


            8              asked to correct the volume problems.  I


            9              have been doing some research on this and


           10              it's not really Scranton Today and it's not


           11              really ECTV because I have done some


           12              videography for the taxpayers and I still


           13              have to turn them all the way up and when I


           14              view through the finder I view the volume


           15              levels on the vocals I'm running the risk of


           16              sounding like I-Robot or something with the


           17              actual levels that are being recorded on the


           18              tapes, so I wish somebody would approach


           19              Comcast and tell them, hey, come on, we are


           20              giving you the franchise, you know, and


           21              paying, let's fix it.  It's time and I guess


           22              this is 11 years now.


           23                      On Channel 62 I talked to somebody


           24              and it's strictly unconfirmed, but they said


           25              they would be amicable to sharing it with






            1              someone, I might get hollered out again for


            2              even mentioning it, but there is not much on


            3              and it and there is only so much you can do


            4              as one station to fill up all of these slots


            5              anyway.


            6                      Other than that I'd like a message


            7              for the voters and my pet peeve is that our


            8              country has been striped of an economic base


            9              due to trade packs.  Everything is from


           10              China, everything is from -- I don't know


           11              even think Mexico hurt us that much other


           12              than with the China trade pack, but, please,


           13              no matter who you vote for get in touch with


           14              them after the election and tell them,


           15              please, no more trade packs with countries


           16              that don't have a consumer based economy to


           17              actually take some goods off of our hands


           18              and it's causing a lot of joblessness and we


           19              are in a serious condition here and it's


           20              coming right down the pike to everybody.  A


           21              lot of these politicians, locals and stuff


           22              with their borrowing, yes, they have to


           23              borrow because they don't have any money


           24              coming in, wage taxes disappear and so forth


           25              and it's -- some of the projects are good,






            1              some of them are kind of silly, but


            2              irregardless there would be plenty of money


            3              around if everybody was working and paying


            4              taxes for a change.  Thank you and have a


            5              good night, but contact these people after


            6              the election not before the election when


            7              they are all giving you a pat on the back.


            8              Have a good night.


            9                      MS. GATELLI:  Thank you.


           10              Mr. Jackowitz.


           11                      MR. JACKOWITZ: Good evening, Council


           12              members.  Bill Jackowitz, South Scranton


           13              resident and member of the Scranton


           14              Taxpayers' Association.  The Scranton


           15              Taxpayers's Association on the second of


           16              October had a nice interview with Lou


           17              Barletta and we also had a nice one on the


           18              16th of October with Congressman Kanjorski,


           19              an hour and a half of questioning and


           20              answers, and might I add, very


           21              professionally done.  I would like to have


           22              council, or I can do it right now, I would


           23              like to have ECTV replay those two segments


           24              a few more times because they are very


           25              informative to all the taxpayers and all of






            1              the voters in the City of Scranton,


            2              Wilkes-Barre, and Hazelton areas.  We are


            3              talking about a congressional election, very


            4              important, and, like I said, both meetings


            5              are very informative, very professionally


            6              done and I would like to suggest that ECTV


            7              play those a few more times in the next two


            8              weeks so that the residents could have an


            9              opportunity to hear both of these and get it


           10              publicized and I would also like the


           11              Times-Tribune maybe to put a couple of


           12              things in the newspaper if ECTV does agree


           13              to do this so that more residents will have


           14              the opportunity to watch these two very


           15              important programs.


           16                      Again, I'm soliciting council's


           17              support, I hope you guys back me on this one


           18              and try to get this out because it's very,


           19              very important.


           20                      MS. GATELLI:  Mr. Jackowitz, I think


           21              we all agree and we'll have Kay send a


           22              letter to them and call them to do that at


           23              your request.


           24                      MR. JACKOWITZ: Okay, because I


           25              believe Mr. Dobson has the tapes and we can






            1              get the tapes to them and we can get this on


            2              the air again.


            3                      MS. GATELLI: I think there is going


            4              to be a debate on, too, I saw that


            5              advertised.


            6                      MR. JACKOWITZ: Right, I did ask for


            7              it to be on WVIA or whatever it's called


            8              now.  Anyway, enough on that.  Toastmaster's


            9              International has 220,000 members in 90


           10              countries, thousands of corporations,


           11              community groups, universities, associations


           12              and government agencies now use the


           13              Toastmaster's training.  Toastmaster rule,


           14              the person at the podium is the speaker,


           15              everybody else are the listeners.  Council,


           16              can we at least try to implement this


           17              because there is nothing more embarrassing


           18              when you are watching a replay of the


           19              meeting and council members are talking over


           20              council members and they are talking over


           21              speakers and speakers are talking over


           22              council members, so if we can just follow


           23              this simple rule it works.  Anybody who


           24              knows anything about Toastmaster's knows it


           25              works.  The person at this podium is the






            1              speaker and you let them speak until they


            2              are finished and then you can say whatever


            3              you want.  But, you know, don't interrupt.


            4              It's just makes it -- it's part of the


            5              carnival act atmosphere that everybody seems


            6              to talk about it.


            7                      Okay.  Now, going back to comparing


            8              the city government with the county


            9              government, the budget.  You know, the


           10              county slashed their budget down to


           11              $86.1 million which is going to be lower


           12              than the city budget.  I hope when the 2009


           13              budget comes before council, I hope that the


           14              city budget is lower than the county budget.


           15              We are a city, the county is much larger and


           16              has a larger population, and I understand


           17              that we have to provide services such as


           18              fire, police, garbage, but we pay $178 for


           19              garbage in addition to taxes and the city,


           20              the police department and the fire


           21              department have yet to have a contract and


           22              they have yet to receive any pay raise since


           23              2002.  So, it seems to me that we are


           24              actually saving money because a large


           25              portion of our city employees have not






            1              gotten any raises.


            2                      So, again, when the budget comes


            3              it's 86.1 for the county, I believe, my


            4              personal belief is that the city budget


            5              should be lower and I hope it is.  Right now


            6              it's not.  Right now the city budget is


            7              higher, but when the 2009 budget comes, and


            8              we need to cut.  It's as simple as that.


            9              Everybody is cutting.  Everybody is cutting.


           10              We are giving certain people pay raises, but


           11              everybody else nationwide and worldwide for


           12              that matter is cutting.  Why can't Scranton


           13              cut.  Why?  I don't understand it.  We are


           14              giving certain people raises, we created 49


           15              new positions when everybody else is cutting


           16              and yet we scream poverty and we have to


           17              borrow money or we have to refinance money,


           18              whatever, I don't understand it.  I'm not


           19              the smartest person in the world, but I


           20              don't understand it.  We have to cut.  It's


           21              as simple as that.  So, I really hope


           22              council really takes a close look at this


           23              year.


           24                      I, too, would like to congratulate


           25              President McGoff for his run because it's






            1              something I couldn't do.  I wouldn't even


            2              attempt it in my physical condition.  I like


            3              to eat too much.  But, anyway, again, this


            4              is going to be the third week in a row now


            5              that I'm going to ask this question and I


            6              have yet to receive an answer.  The question


            7              is, who is responsible for the City of


            8              Scranton being distressed for 16 years?  My


            9              answer is Mayor Doherty, Mayor Connors and


           10              every city council since then, including the


           11              Pennsylvania Governors, they are responsible


           12              for this city being distressed for 16 years.


           13              I would like to have council's answer to


           14              that.


           15                      And the second question is that I


           16              have been waiting for for three weeks now,


           17              when will the wage tax be reduced from 3.4?


           18              The mayor promised us back in 2002 that he


           19              was going to reduce 1/10th of a percent each


           20              year, he has yet to have reduced it.  When


           21              is it going to be reduced?  We have the


           22              third highest in the state.  When that will


           23              be reduced?  Thank you.


           24                      MS. GATELLI:  Mrs. Schumacher.


           25                      MS. SCHUMACHER: Good evening.  Marie






            1              Schumacher, resident and member of the


            2              Taxpayers' Association.  Yesterday members


            3              of the Taxpayers' Association were treated


            4              to an informative tour by city forester,


            5              Tony Santolli.  During the course of this


            6              tour we were able to see some of the very


            7              dangerous trees that should be removed to


            8              avoid potential damage to persons, property,


            9              and perhaps the city coffers.  Waiting for


           10              next year's budget invites danger.


           11              Mr. Santolli has been performing this


           12              service for seven years at no cost to the


           13              taxpayers.  In recognition of Mr. Santolli's


           14              volunteerism, I suggest council ask the


           15              mayor to provide enough of those UDAG


           16              miscellaneous funds so that the top ten


           17              dangerous trees may be removed as soon as


           18              bids can be received.


           19                      These are large, hollow sick trees


           20              with no support and one wind storm could


           21              cause a tragedy.  Mr. Santolli told us he


           22              has trouble sleeping on stormy nights.  So,


           23              please, let's get these dangerous trees down


           24              so Mr. Santolli is at least able to get a


           25              good night's sleep.  If you are skeptical of






            1              the condition of these trees, I suggest you


            2              ask Mr. Santolli to conduct a tour for


            3              council so you may see these with your own


            4              eyes.


            5                      Mrs. Gatelli, are you still


            6              confident that we will have the city's 2007


            7              audit in a week?  You may answer that in


            8              motions because I have a lot tonight.


            9                      MS. GATELLI: In a week?


           10                      MS. SCHUMACHER:  Yeah, last week you


           11              said two weeks.


           12                      MS. GATELLI: I did?


           13                      MS. SCHUMACHER: Yeah, you did.  May


           14              I also --


           15                      MS. GATELLI: I don't think I said


           16              that.


           17                      MS. SCHUMACHER:  May I also inquire


           18              as to the status of the signed agreement


           19              with the Pisano brother who will being


           20              paying all costs associated with the changes


           21              they require or desire at the Moosic Street


           22              and Front Street traffic signal?


           23                      Now, a few comments on the ECTV


           24              caucus last week.  If the issue of


           25              hardwiring 933 Prescott Avenue to city hall






            1              or Duryea or wherever is not to be resolved


            2              until the franchise agreement renewal that


            3              means there will no live city council


            4              broadcasts until sometime in 2010 as the


            5              current agreement doesn't expire until


            6              December 31, 2009.  So, if local broadcasts


            7              are desired before sometime in 2010, I urge


            8              you to lobby ECTV to accept the offer


            9              proposed last week by a member of Scranton


           10              Today.


           11                      Also, Mr. Darcy stated ECTV may


           12              alter it's request for 25 percent of the


           13              franchise fee.  I ask you to clarify the


           14              percent ECTV has in mind a I rather suspect


           15              they will be seeking a higher percentage.  I


           16              base this suspicion and the fact that some


           17              eight months after being awarded the


           18              operation of Channel 61 and 62 they have not


           19              even filed a request for IRS tax exemption.


           20              That means to me they are expecting to live


           21              off the taxpayers forever.


           22                      I also have a problem with using


           23              taxpayers' money to make physical


           24              investments in a building where there is


           25              less than one year left on the lease.  Are






            1              you, Council, prepared to renovate another


            2              building if there is location change?


            3                      For the record, I find it scary that


            4              the citizens PEG operator answers to the


            5              mayor.  This control of the media does not


            6              bode well for a free society.


            7                      As to ESBA, the East Scranton


            8              Business Association, I am still shocked


            9              that they would not have used the $10,000


           10              grant they received to complete the Common's


           11              Project that they started five years ago,


           12              still waiting to be finished yet they have


           13              $10,000 to give to ECTV, it makes no sense.


           14                   Next, I believe it is time for council


           15              to follow in the footsteps of the Federal


           16              Ways and Means Committee.  According to "Tax


           17              Exempt World" there are 640 tax exempt/


           18              nonprofit organizations in the City of


           19              Scranton.  The organizations, or at least


           20              those holding property tax real estate,


           21              should be surveyed for an account of their


           22              charitable activities as a percent of their


           23              revenues.  If this percent is minimal then


           24              consideration should be given to restore


           25              property taxes.  Take the owner of the 933






            1              Prescott Avenue where ECTV is headquartered,


            2              the Lackawanna Institute, the private


            3              foundation of Paul Mansour.  This Institute


            4              has spent close to $1 million acquiring over


            5              a dozen properties.  2008 property taxes


            6              lost on these three properties, on these


            7              properties to the city, were almost $15,000,


            8              may I finish?


            9                      MS. GATELLI: Um-hum.


           10                      MS. SCHUMACHER: Granted, many of


           11              these properties have been acquired in


           12              recent years, but when you consider


           13              Lackawanna Institute was incorporated in


           14              1997 one can't help but wonder whether their


           15              charitable contributions is but a pittance


           16              of this lost roughly $100,000 revenue of


           17              property taxes.


           18                      And, finally, I notice the


           19              controller's report reports an


           20              $11,359,098.15 year-to-date surplus at the


           21              end of the September despite unrealized


           22              year-to-date revenues of $25,219,120.82.


           23              And, finally, I hope to hear Mrs. Fanucci


           24              respond to the Fratelli real estate purchase


           25              later in motions.  Thank you very much.






            1                      MS. GATELLI: Thank you.  Anyone


            2              else?


            3                      MS. HUMPHRIES: Praise be Jesus, Mary


            4              and Joseph and all of you people.  I had


            5              intentions in seeing the Holy Father a few


            6              months ago and in the process me and my


            7              daughter got lost in New York City, and she


            8              turned around and went home and I had to a


            9              statue that would be going to the United


           10              Nations to where Ground Zero was and St.


           11              Patrick's Church.  What transpired, we were


           12              there a few days before my daughter turned


           13              around and went home thinking that I had my


           14              insulin on me and I had my telephone books


           15              for my contacts, because I did live in New


           16              York City for seven years.


           17                      So, the bottom line is I ended up in


           18              a homeless shelter, because it was getting


           19              very cold and I got to see what was


           20              transpiring there.  From there I had asked


           21              them I need medical treatment because I was


           22              without insulin, I slept in a chair for


           23              three days with no elevation in my feet,


           24              which they had chairs.  The people didn't


           25              have the proper towels or anything for them






            1              and it was a very sad situation.


            2                      When they called the ambulance, the


            3              ambulance refused to take me to the special


            4              surgery hospital and they took me to


            5              Bellevue Hospital.  They kept me against my


            6              will for 11 days and in the process they


            7              would not allow me to call out.  A Muslim


            8              woman that was a nurse seen what was going


            9              on, she got me money, I called numerous


           10              people, a Cardinal even said to me that he


           11              didn't have any jurisdiction over there, and


           12              I contacted my family and I got a lawyer and


           13              they have the Supreme Court right there.


           14                      I won my case in the Supreme Court,


           15              they actually cried their eyes out when they


           16              heard what I had to tell them prior to


           17              September 11 and on multiple attacks,


           18              betterments and abuses, being put in


           19              institutions, used and abused, raped in


           20              these institutions that they refused to give


           21              me records and documents.


           22                      I am gifted by God and I know people


           23              don't have belief and lost their faith.  I'm


           24              the one who interceded to see that all of


           25              the people were out of the buildings through






            1              numerous people between church officials and


            2              government officials.


            3                      Memorial Day weekend, which I told


            4              everybody that they didn't want to go there


            5              but I have to go there, I gave my documents


            6              to Mr. West, not knowing he was an Attorney


            7              General and a policeman, not that I cared.


            8              He accepted all of the documents to send


            9              them to the proper places and to see that


           10              everybody was out of the buildings because I


           11              felt we couldn't salvage the buildings for


           12              the people.


           13                      Since then I have been violently


           14              raped and attacked, homed pillaged up until


           15              two months ago.  The police haven't acted.


           16              A police woman and police man said they are


           17              in fear of their life and losing their job,


           18              so this is where it's at this point and I


           19              want everybody to know.


           20                      In a few weeks I'm going to be going


           21              to the United States Nations.  What I did


           22              was I called Legal Aid to help me, they


           23              refused, they got $5 million and Pro Bono


           24              got $5 million and they refused.  I have a


           25              grandchild that's missing four years since






            1              birth, they didn't take me serious.


            2                      They took me out of church, they


            3              fingerprinted me, they took me like a common


            4              criminal on numerous occasions to the police


            5              station and then released me.  This isn't


            6              the proper way to go.  I never stole, I


            7              never prostituted.  I never hurt anybody and


            8              I never terrorized anybody.


            9                      This corruption in the City of


           10              Scranton has to stop.  I went through our


           11              inspector, he is aware of it.  I went to


           12              Senator Clinton, she i aware of it.  I went


           13              to Senator Casey, he is aware of it.  I


           14              wrote a letter to President Bush first with


           15              that x-ray and the blessed Mother and then I


           16              felt that I had a conversation, then I wrote


           17              a chronology from my childhood until the


           18              present, the beats, the betterments, the


           19              abuse, what high society people know that I


           20              in high court, in courts and everything what


           21              they have done to me.


           22                      This isn't delusional, this isn't


           23              psychotic and this isn't a pretend story.


           24              This is my story.  I want justice and if I


           25              don't get the justice here I will go to the






            1              United Nations.  I have documents, I have


            2              signatures from everybody up to President


            3              Bush.  I'll tell you who to vote for, I


            4              think, the Pope or Bishop Martino at this


            5              point.


            6                      MS. GATELLI: Thank you.


            7                      MS. HUMPHRIES: God Bless you.


            8                      MS. GATELLI: Anyone else?


            9                      MS. HUMPHRIES:  And the mathematical


           10              numbers had to do with I found them in here,


           11              the H-bomb, I was not aware of it.


           12                      MS. GATELLI:  Thank you.


           13                      MR. DAVIS: Salaam aleikum.  I come


           14              before you this evening after worshipping


           15              with the people at the Shilo Baptist Church


           16              last Sunday.  They had an African program


           17              where all of the woman were dressed in


           18              African garb, and it made me -- it made me


           19              try to remember those things that had


           20              happened in the years past and I have seen


           21              it before, I have seen it many times before,


           22              and their pride and what they had on, the


           23              pride in how they sang, but something that


           24              made our hearts glad and gave us something


           25              to be proud of our past.






            1                      In 1964 we were given a right to


            2              vote in Scranton, Pennsylvania, you know,


            3              and in North Carolina it was 1918, I


            4              believe, or 1922 I think it was, but in


            5              Scranton it was 1964.  We have spent years


            6              and years and years voting for people who we


            7              did not know and didn't care to know us.


            8              Just as I sit here before you as


            9              representatives of the city, there are very


           10              few people in Scranton who has actually been


           11              to the black community or know a black


           12              community existing or they give -- they come


           13              there on special occasions which is all


           14              right, we don't mind, we don't want anything


           15              from you, but we want you to understand that


           16              there are needs in that area.  We have a


           17              playground department there that the school


           18              has locked up.  That whole Adam's Avenue


           19              Gibson Street complex has been locked up


           20              with chains by the school board.  Why?


           21              Because they say they are going to sell it.


           22                   Meanwhile, the kids in the community


           23              have no where to play.  The kids at the high


           24              school or at the Junior High have no where


           25              to play.  They have tennis courts that we






            1              fought and built, they refused to put tennis


            2              nets up there so the kids can use.  It's


            3              just unusual at the present time and I wish


            4              to -- I wish there was some way that --


            5              where these complaint could reach the school


            6              board because I think it's unfair, it's


            7              unjust and I think that it's time that we do


            8              something about it that looks like


            9              democracy, that looks like an equal


           10              engagement of things for all people.


           11                      What I see here is a miscarriage of


           12              justice and I don't see anybody stepping


           13              forth to correct it.  I don't even see them


           14              mentioning it, that's the part that gets me.


           15              I thought it was horrendous, but then,


           16              again, I live there, I knew it, I knew the


           17              area.  I knew of it and I lived there for a


           18              long time, therefore, I knew what was there.


           19                   Our children are not being treated


           20              properly.  I cannot say that they are being


           21              taught properly either, I cannot say that


           22              the whole -- the whole schematic of what are


           23              you going to do when these kids graduate,


           24              what are you going to do when these kids


           25              don't graduate, where are you going to put






            1              them at?  Are those the ones that go to


            2              jail?  I'm wondering and it's seems as


            3              though we have a method of those who can't


            4              make it in high school end up in jail.  I


            5              want you to do something about that.


            6                      MS. GATELLI: Thank you, Mr. Davis.


            7              Is there anyone else?  Mr. Ancherani?


            8                      MR. ANCHERANI: Good evening.  Nelson


            9              Ancherani.  Two weeks ago when I spoke about


           10              $600 million taken in by the city a few


           11              people were asking me what I meant, so I


           12              want to clear this up.  The week prior when


           13              Mrs. Gatelli was commenting on how people


           14              come to council, this Scranton City Council,


           15              and complain about the taxes.  She


           16              referenced how Scranton taxes are the lowest


           17              in this county.  She also questioned why


           18              speakers don't go to the county


           19              commissioner's meetings and the Scranton


           20              School District meetings and complain.  I


           21              believe the Taxpayers' Association is doing


           22              that, attending the other meetings.  Anyway,


           23              as I said before, I pick my fights.  I have


           24              been attending city council meetings since


           25              2002 during the recovery referendum






            1              campaign.  Since then, since before then I


            2              listened to the council meetings.  The


            3              recovery referendum campaign, I'm sorry,


            4              city business since I am a city employee


            5              affects me principally.  County business


            6              doesn't affect me principally except in the


            7              case of tax increases and the 48 percent tax


            8              increase was the major concern and you can


            9              see how the county voters addressed and


           10              settled that problem.  They got off their


           11              tails and went to the voting booth and


           12              showed their disapproval.  They deselected


           13              the parties who raised their taxes, unlike


           14              Scranton voters who reelected people who


           15              increased their taxes 25 percent.  A good


           16              example is Mr. McGoff.


           17                      And, yes, the Scranton School


           18              District does effect me, but again, not


           19              principally.  Unlike everybody else, tax


           20              increases are not my favorite items, but


           21              then again, I pick my fights.  I commend the


           22              Taxpayers' Association for the time and


           23              effort they put forward when they oppose tax


           24              increases and wasteful spending.  I thank


           25              them for being the watch persons of this






            1              city, county and school district.  Thanks to


            2              their dedications we as taxpayers will be


            3              better informed.  Little by little and step


            4              by step the citizens of this county and city


            5              are becoming more knowledgeable about city


            6              and county business that directly affects


            7              them.  Stay the course, Taxpayers'


            8              Association.


            9                      Now, back to the 600 million.


           10              That's revenue.  It's again revenue that the


           11              city will have taken in up to the end of


           12              2008.  The $600 million is the total of the


           13              Scranton City budgets from 2002 through


           14              2008, the last seven years of this current


           15              city administration.  It is also the total


           16              with all of the loans taken out by the city


           17              between 2002 and 2008, 600 million in


           18              revenues and you city council, well, almost


           19              all of the city council approved a loan for


           20              6.1 million two weeks ago I believe.


           21              According to some a default of the loan


           22              would have been devastating, but I ask again


           23              how could we have a 5.5 million loan that


           24              was going to be defaulted on when we took in


           25              600 million in revenue?  100 million over






            1              half a billion dollars.


            2                      November 15 is fast approaching and


            3              the city budget will be due.  My prediction


            4              for the 2009 budget is that it will be a


            5              record budget in the 90 million mark.  I


            6              also predict another 25 percent tax increase


            7              in multiple million dollar loan or loans.  I


            8              predict within 2009 budgets the loans and


            9              the tax increase along with the previous


           10              $600 million we will be close to the three


           11              quarter billion or 750 million mark on


           12              revenues.  Don't forget PEL and some city


           13              past and present city officials predicted


           14              dire financial straights for the city.


           15              Don't forget deficits are predicted even


           16              though we will be spending all of the money


           17              taken in by the end of next year,


           18              approximately three-quarters of a billion


           19              dollars and still be looking at a deficit.


           20                   The county is preparing their budget


           21              for 2009, projected at 86.1 million.  Get


           22              this, population of Lackawanna County


           23              210,000, population of Scranton 72,000,


           24              County 2009 budget 86.1 million if that


           25              passes, city budget -- can I finish this,






            1              I'm almost finished.  City budget 2009, 90


            2              million.  If you divide those millions by


            3              the population or into the population you


            4              get $410 per person for the county.  For the


            5              city you get $1,250 per person.  If we had


            6              $410 per person divided into -- or we would


            7              have, let's see, 410 multiplied by the


            8              72,000 we would have a budget of $29,500, a


            9              savings of 60,500,000.  Thank you.


           10                      MS. GATELLI: Thank you.


           11                      MS. KRAKE: Good evening, Council,


           12              Nancy Krake.  I would like to start off by


           13              saying that I am a taxpayer in the City of


           14              Scranton as are all of council people and my


           15              tax bill is comprised of the city, the


           16              school district, Lackawanna County and


           17              library, but of those four entities only the


           18              City of Scranton is distressed, nobody else,


           19              and it's the same people that are paying the


           20              taxes to all of those four entities.  Does


           21              not make any sense that only one part can be


           22              distressed, and to go further on that, our


           23              teachers successfully negotiated with the


           24              school district a fair contract and that


           25              would have benefited Mrs. Evans and Mrs.






            1              Gatelli.  I think they would agree, I know


            2              most of the membership voted for that.  It


            3              was very fair with raises and health care


            4              and it was brought to an equitable


            5              conclusion.  How can this contract that is


            6              paid for by the same taxpayers that pay my


            7              salary and the administration salary who, by


            8              the way, had received millions in raises and


            9              also the fire and police who have received


           10              zero in raises, so it seems to me the only


           11              people distressed in Lackawanna County and


           12              the City of Scranton are the fire and


           13              police.  Clerks have had two contracts, DPW


           14              has had two contracts, our teachers have,


           15              everybody else in Lackawanna County, but


           16              fire and police.  This is absolutely


           17              outrageous.  It's immoral, it's unethical


           18              and if I were a council member I would be


           19              beating down the doors of Governor Ed


           20              Rendell whose decision it is ultimately to


           21              release us from this distressed status which


           22              is what the mayor is hiding behind to not


           23              give a contract to fire and police.  Thank


           24              you.


           25                      MS. GARVEY: Move onto 5-A, motions.






            1                      MS. EVANS: Good evening.  At last


            2              week's council meeting Mr. Quinn, president


            3              of the Scranton/Lackawanna Taxpayers'


            4              Association spoke about the urgent problems


            5              our local food pantries are experiencing due


            6              to the current financial crisis suffered by


            7              countless local residents.  A letter was


            8              sent to Mr. Mike Hanley, executive director


            9              of United States Neighborhood Centers asking


           10              him to look into the possibility of


           11              arranging a meeting among groups or


           12              organizations to determine what can be done.


           13              However, Mr. Quinn recognizes the immediate


           14              need for assistance as well as for a


           15              long-range plan to assist in feeding the


           16              needy throughout the forthcoming winter


           17              months.


           18                      Therefore, Mr. Quinn has asked that


           19              anyone interested in donating nonperishable


           20              food items contact him at 347-8813.  The


           21              Lackawanna County Taxpayers' Association


           22              will pick up food and monetary donations at


           23              homes and businesses.


           24                      In addition, I contacted the


           25              president of the Scranton International






            1              Association of firefighters, Dave Schreiber,


            2              the Fraternal Order of Police, Bob Martin,


            3              and Clerical and Central Labor Unions


            4              President, Nancy Krake.  All have very


            5              generously pledged the support of their


            6              unions for our food drive.  I am asking


            7              tonight that all of the employees of city


            8              hall, OECD, the Scranton Tax Office as well


            9              as the fire and police departments combine


           10              in a joint effort to donate canned goods and


           11              other nonperishable food items at their


           12              offices, fire stations and police


           13              headquarters.  I hope that each city


           14              employee, including city council and it's


           15              office, will contribute just one or two food


           16              items to feed our Scranton neighbors who are


           17              in desperate need of assistance.  A box for


           18              collected food items will be placed in each


           19              office this week and volunteers from the


           20              Taxpayers' Association will pick up and


           21              deliver these items to food pantries on


           22              October 30th and 31st.


           23                      Thankfully, many local organizations


           24              remember the needy on holidays, but people


           25              must feed their families every day, not only






            1              on Thanksgiving and Christmas.  We can make


            2              a difference together in the next two weeks


            3              and open our hearts to help others as


            4              difficult as we may feel our situations are.


            5              There are always other families and senior


            6              citizens who are suffering far greater.  A


            7              donation of so little will mean so much to


            8              so many of Scranton's poor.


            9                      The drive actually began maybe


           10              prematurely today and I would say that at


           11              this point 25 cases of canned goods have


           12              been collected and were generously donated


           13              by Riccardo's market and Castaldi's market


           14              in Minooka and three businesses within the


           15              city made monetary contributions this


           16              afternoon for the purchase of canned goods,


           17              and I thank all of them for their


           18              generosity.


           19                      In order to provide for the needs of


           20              our Scranton food pantries and our poor


           21              during the upcoming winter months, I'd like


           22              to see the mayor use UDAG funds to


           23              contribute towards the purchase of food


           24              items for United Neighborhood Centers food


           25              pantries.  Therefore, I move that city






            1              council send a letter to Mayor Doherty


            2              requesting that a UDAG grant be given to the


            3              UNC Food pantries for the purchase of food,


            4              the amount of the grant to be determined by


            5              the mayor.


            6                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Is that a motion?


            7                      MS. EVANS: Um-hum.


            8                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.


            9                      MS. GATELLI: On the question?  All


           10              in favor?


           11                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           12                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           13                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           14                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           15                      MS. EVANS: Thank you.  In addition,


           16              I would like to ask the county commissioners


           17              to allocate the Community Service Block


           18              Grant funds for the purchase of


           19              nonperishable food items for both UNC food


           20              pantries and other pantries in need


           21              throughout the county.  Therefore, I move


           22              that Scranton City Council send a letter to


           23              the Lackawanna Commissioners respectfully


           24              requesting that they consider allocating


           25              Community Service Block Grant funds for the






            1              purchase of nonperishable and food items for


            2              both UNC food pantries and other pantries in


            3              need throughout the county, the amount to be


            4              determined by the commissioners.


            5                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.


            6                      MS. GATELLI: On the question?  All


            7              in favor?


            8                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


            9                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           10                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           11                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           12                      MS. EVANS: Thank you.  Now, I just


           13              wanted to first respond to questions that


           14              were posed a bit earlier by a speaker


           15              regarding the wage tax and I tried to keep


           16              the mayor's promise last December, the wage


           17              tax could have been reduced in 2008 if my


           18              proposed budget had been passed.  Now I


           19              could suggest that perhaps a portion of the


           20              12.2 million dollars plus interest that sits


           21              in the Scranton Tax Office could be used to


           22              lower the wage tax or certainly could be


           23              used to repay the recent $6.1 million


           24              borrowing to prevent years of future


           25              interest payments, but ultimately it appears






            1              the mayor and a majority of city council can


            2              lower a wage tax if it is financially


            3              feasible, it has been in the last year or


            4              two, it certainly could have been possible I


            5              believe in the beginning of this year


            6              administration, yet, for their own reasons


            7              it has not happened.  Their priorities in


            8              terms of money in, money out are a very


            9              different from the priorities of many of our


           10              working families.


           11                      In addition, someone else tonight


           12              brought up the issue of the independent


           13              audit of city council and we did receive in


           14              our office today copies of two letters from


           15              Robert Rossi and Company CPA to NCC and to


           16              the Scranton Single Tax Office.  Their


           17              obviously would be quite a number of items


           18              of information that Robert Rossi and Company


           19              are requesting from both entities before the


           20              2007 audit can be successfully completed,


           21              and I know the delay is surprising even to


           22              me who has seen audits carry on into


           23              September when that should not have been the


           24              case, but evidently we appear to be looking


           25              at November at the earliest, and in my






            1              opinion it makes it very difficult then to


            2              prepare a proposed budget for 2009 on the


            3              part of this administration when they don't


            4              even have a firm handle on monies that have


            5              been spent in the recent past.


            6                      Also, council received a letter from


            7              Attorney Penetar, who is the solicitor of


            8              the zoning board, and Attorney Minora, our


            9              council solicitor, had sought his advice


           10              regarding the rezoning of the area of Daron


           11              Northeast.  According to Attorney Penetar,


           12              it does not appear possible that a rezoning


           13              of this area could be performed.  He cites


           14              legal cases, one dealing with spot zoning


           15              and the other dealing with a de facto


           16              condemnation.  His bottom line, if I may


           17              quote his closing, "Therefore, in my opinion


           18              the rezoning of this land could potentially


           19              cost the City of Scranton a lot of money


           20              under either the spot zoning theory or the


           21              Federal Constitution Fifth Amendment Takings


           22              Clause.  I hope this answers your inquiry."


           23                      Well, in a sense, yes, it does


           24              answer my inquiry, however, I would like


           25              another letter to Attorney Minora -- or not






            1              Attorney Minora, my goodness, excuse me, to


            2              Attorney Penetar, and I'm asking that he


            3              please advise what measures can be taken to


            4              protect the homeowners and residents of


            5              Dickson Avenue and Delaware Street from the


            6              toxic particles and noise levels dispensed


            7              from the current as well as a potential


            8              future buyer of the Daron Northeast


            9              property.


           10                      I understand what he is saying, I


           11              certainly consider his cautions against


           12              potential lawsuits, but, on the other hand,


           13              I refuse to believe, I will not believe that


           14              there is nothing that can be done to help


           15              the residents and homeowners, and taxpayers


           16              of lower Greenridge who suffered for years,


           17              and when we have a report from the


           18              Department of Environmental Protection


           19              advising the city to adjust that zoning at


           20              such time as Daron Northeast would leave and


           21              relocate.


           22                      Again, I will not believe that


           23              nothing can be done and that those


           24              individuals are simply to suffer through the


           25              daily breathing of toxic material until






            1              perhaps they expire.


            2                      Now, I also have a few other


            3              requests.  There are two from East Mountain.


            4              The edges of East Mountain Road are covered


            5              in huge piles of leaves, particularly, near


            6              the drainage areas.  Please request that the


            7              DPW clear the leaves to provide better water


            8              flow.


            9                      Also, traveling past the firehouse


           10              and turning right toward Mountain Lake there


           11              is a "No Parking" sign on the right side of


           12              the road.  Residents of East Mountain report


           13              there are cars parked frequently despite the


           14              sign causing difficulty for drivers when


           15              turning.  Please report this to the police


           16              chief.


           17                      Please paint lines on Olive Street


           18              before the intersection of Olive and


           19              Capouse.  Also, remove graffiti from a large


           20              utility box on Olive Street located near the


           21              Rinaldi Law Office.


           22                      I also wanted to note that city


           23              council has not received any PEL meeting


           24              summaries since the meeting of September 8,


           25              2008.  Kay, please request the minutes of






            1              meetings from September 15th through


            2              October 20, 2008, by October 27, 2008.


            3                      And although, council received a


            4              response from Ms. Aebli concerning one city


            5              business loan, which incidentally is


            6              up-to-date, she did not include an updated


            7              list of delinquencies on all loans granted


            8              to businesses though OECD.  Kay, can you


            9              call Ms. Aebli, please, and ask her to


           10              forward that response.


           11                      And, finally, Attorney Minora, will


           12              you have the legislation prepared for the


           13              UDAG will allocations for next week's


           14              meeting?


           15                      MR. MINORA:  I already have the


           16              rough draft to Kay, I just don't have the


           17              number yet.  I'm still awaiting to determine


           18              what --


           19                      MS. EVANS: I understand where you


           20              are at on it.


           21                      MR. MINORA: What I have to do is


           22              done.  Now, I have to just kind of wait and


           23              see what everybody agrees to.


           24                      MS. EVANS:  Again, I know we


           25              discussed this last week and my concern is






            1              that it doesn't get placed on a back burner


            2              because the proposed 2009 budget will be


            3              forthcoming in say about three weeks, and so


            4              do my colleagues have a decision on what you


            5              would like plugged into that legislation so


            6              that we can could get it moving?


            7                      MS. GATELLI:  I thought we said ten.


            8                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  I though we were


            9              supposed to discuss it, but then Mr. McGoff


           10              isn't here tonight, I think that was on of


           11              interest, so we didn't have any discussion.


           12                      MS. GATELLI: And no one comes to


           13              caucus.  I'd like to say that, too.  We sat


           14              there until 25 after.  So I think that


           15              everybody needs to start coming at 6:00


           16              because a lot of these things can't be


           17              discussed if people aren't present.  Mrs.


           18              Krake, you with there.  Jeremy Burton was


           19              there, we weren't -- everybody wasn't there.


           20              We didn't even have three to vote on


           21              anything, so I would please ask that


           22              everyone please come at 6:00 so that we


           23              don't have to discuss these things out here,


           24              we can discuss them in there and come to a


           25              conclusion.  I mean, maybe en is too much or






            1              not enough, you know?


            2                      MS. EVANS: Well, I don't want to go


            3              into it again, but last week I stated that I


            4              believe all of the UDAG monies should come


            5              for a vote and I gave my reasoning behind


            6              that.  I think it's more important now than


            7              ever.


            8                      MS. GATELLI:  Why don't we have it


            9              ready for next week and we'll say the number


           10              at the caucus and we'll write the number in.


           11              Is that acceptable, Amil, to write it in.


           12                      MS. EVANS: Well, then it really


           13              isn't part of an agenda as a completed piece


           14              of legislation; correct?


           15                      MR. MINORA: It can be.


           16                      MS. GATELLI:  I would say ten right


           17              now.


           18                      MR. COURTRIGHT: My concern is this,


           19              not as much as dollar amount is that I think


           20              you mentioned it last week, say we make it


           21              $1,000, what's to prevent it from being


           22              $1,000 ten times, 15 times, so if we are


           23              going to do legislation and put in a dollar


           24              amount I think we need to put a dollar


           25              amount per organization or per project.






            1              I think we got to be really careful how we


            2              do it because as we see the administration


            3              finds ways to get that money where they want


            4              to get that.  They got that ten grand to


            5              ECTV one way or the other and, you know, if


            6              we are going to make some kind of


            7              legislation let's make legislation that


            8              actually can work.


            9                      MS. EVANS: Yes.


           10                      MS. GATELLI: We can put that in


           11              there, per organization -- or put all


           12              amounts, I don't care, whatever pleases


           13              everybody is fine with me.


           14                      MS. EVANS: I would say all UDAG


           15              monies should come before council for a


           16              vote.


           17                      MR. COURTRIGHT: That's fine with me.


           18              I have no problem with that.


           19                      MS. EVANS: And I'll make that in a


           20              the form of a motion.


           21                      MS. GATELLI: I'll second that.


           22                      MS. EVANS: So we can get this going.


           23              And it's seconded.


           24                      MS. GATELLI: All in favor?  Aye.


           25                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.






            1                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


            2                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


            3                      MS. EVANS: So, Attorney Minora, will


            4              you have that on next week's agenda, please?


            5                      MR. MINORA: I will.  I will have it


            6              drawn up, yes.


            7                      MS. EVANS: Thank you.  And I believe


            8              that's it.  Thank you.


            9                      MS. GATELLI: The few things that I


           10              have are letters from the auditors.  They


           11              did receive reports from NCC and from the


           12              Single Tax Office and this is a follow-up.


           13              They have sent requests to Mrs. Vitali-Flynn


           14              and to Ms. Cobb at NCC requiring further


           15              information and we still do not have the


           16              Parking Authority audit, which is what I


           17              thought would be coming in two weeks,


           18              obviously, the audit is not going to


           19              completed in two weeks and if I said that I


           20              apologize, I didn't mean the audit would be


           21              done, I thought that the Parking Authority


           22              audit would be done in two weeks, apparently


           23              it's still not done, so, Mrs. Garvey, if you


           24              would call them tomorrow and tell them we


           25              are still anticipating that audit report to






            1              conclude our independent audit.  And there


            2              seems to be quite a few questions for the


            3              Single Tax Office which we will also be


            4              waiting for, so that's the status of the


            5              audit.


            6                      As far as the Pisano Brothers, I


            7              would just like to clarify it's father and


            8              son.  I know that you keep saying the Pisano


            9              brothers, and I know Eddie would be very


           10              proud to be his son's brother, but he is his


           11              father and, yes, it is back in the law


           12              department, it was incorrect in the


           13              resolution to say that they would -- that


           14              the city would erect, maintain, etcetera, so


           15              it has been sent back to the law department


           16              to be redone and we have not received it as


           17              of yet.


           18                      As far as Junior City Council, I


           19              don't believe that anyone up here is against


           20              Junior City Council coming back.  We have


           21              asked at our respective schools and we have


           22              had no one interested.  It is not because


           23              council does not want it, there was just


           24              know one interested in it at the time so I


           25              would like to clarify that.






            1                      Also, as far as going to political


            2              candidates arrivals in Scranton, yes, most


            3              of us up here work and it is not acceptable


            4              to leave a place of employment to go to a


            5              political announcement, rally, etcetera, if


            6              you do go you have to take personal time and


            7              also I believe that the city does provide


            8              the police protection and the security, some


            9              of the security when there is a candidate in


           10              town, so the city is participating whenever


           11              there is a political candidate in town and


           12              just because we are not there I don't think


           13              that has any relevance at all.  I don't


           14              think that we are sitting up here to go and


           15              welcome candidates to the city.  Personally,


           16              I have gone to some rallies and I only go to


           17              rallies of people that I believe in and


           18              people that I support and that is my right


           19              as a citizen.  You know, just because we are


           20              council members doesn't mean we don't have


           21              citizen's rights, also, and that is why I go


           22              to certain rallies and you may see me there


           23              or you may see a comment that I have made


           24              about a rally that I have attended and that


           25              is my right as a citizen.  I have the right






            1              to vote and choose for who I feel is going


            2              to rule this country in the right fashion.


            3              So, I don't think anyone has the right to


            4              expect anyone up here to go to every person


            5              that comes here, political candidates.


            6                      I would just like to send one letter


            7              to Mike Wallace about Shade Demolition, it's


            8              located near the farmer's market, and it


            9              seems that it's becoming quite a junk yard,


           10              he's taking his debris there and leaving it


           11              on the property, so if you would have


           12              Mr. Wallace please check that out for me.


           13                      MS. EVANS: And that's been ongoing


           14              for years now.


           15                      MS. GATELLI:  Yes, I know, he put up


           16              a fence, but it's still not helping the


           17              situation with the dust, etcetera.  That's


           18              another situation of a residential zone


           19              abutting a light industrial.


           20                      And we also sent a letter about


           21              doing -- I also will mention the trees, you


           22              know I love trees, that's one of my


           23              favorites things is trees.  So, we'll send


           24              that letter.


           25                      And we also did send a request to






            1              get a new zoning ordinance which will help


            2              at Daron, too, about the spot zoning, let's


            3              check the zoning everywhere, because there


            4              are several Darons throughout the city where


            5              industrial abuts a residential area and it


            6              interferes with the quality of life for


            7              those residents.


            8                      Mrs. Schumacher brought about the


            9              trees, yes, I usually talk to Mr. Santolli


           10              at least once a week.  There are many trees


           11              and there are several in the dog park that


           12              are in dangerous shape, so I would like a


           13              motion that we send the mayor a letter to


           14              appropriate some UDAG money, I know he is


           15              going to appropriate some money for


           16              Mr. Santolli in the next budget, but I think


           17              that we need to do some now to hire someone


           18              in addition to the DPW because they do some


           19              of it, but they can't do it all because they


           20              don't do it full-time, so if he could


           21              appropriate some money for Mr. Santolli to


           22              bid out some tree removal at the soonest


           23              possible date, and I make that in the form


           24              of a motion.


           25                      MS. FANUCCI: Second that.






            1                      MS. GATELLI:  On the question?  All


            2              in favor?  Aye.


            3                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


            4                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


            5                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


            6                      MS. GATELLI: The only other thing


            7              that I have, and I don't know it just struck


            8              me tonight while I was sitting here and I


            9              was looking around at all of the pictures on


           10              the wall and seeing how young and skinny my


           11              friend Jimmy Connors is in that picture, I'm


           12              going to tease him because I see him every


           13              morning, I looked and I noticed that Mayor


           14              McNulty still does not have a picture on the


           15              wall.  Now, I know that he did not want one


           16              at the time, but I think that we can find a


           17              picture of him somewhere, he doesn't have to


           18              pose for it, and I think it's incumbent upon


           19              us as a council to make sure that his


           20              picture sits up there like everyone else's.


           21                   And Mayor McNulty will find this quite


           22              amusing because I was one of us thorns in


           23              his side when he was the mayor, but I do


           24              think that he belongs up on the wall with


           25              everyone else and if he won't pose then






            1              we'll find a picture, Mrs. Garvey, if you


            2              can and I know that we can ask the mayor,


            3              but I know that we have some money left in


            4              council's budget in several accounts and if


            5              the mayor won't pay for it I would like to


            6              make a motion that we as council will pay


            7              for it or someone will pay for it, but James


            8              Barrett belongs up there with the rest of


            9              them.


           10                      MS. EVANS: I don't remember how many


           11              years back this was, but actually that was


           12              already entertained, I suggested that


           13              probably my first year on council.


           14                      MR. COURTRIGHT: That's 2004?


           15                      MS. EVANS: 2004.


           16                      MS. GATELLI: Well, let's try it


           17              again.


           18                      MS. EVANS: And we knew that he did


           19              not want his photo, but we had planned on


           20              designing at least a plaque that would honor


           21              him, but for some reason or another that hit


           22              a snag and we weren't allowed to do it.


           23                      MS. GATELLI: Well, let's try it


           24              again.


           25                      MS. EVANS:  Oh, I'd love to try it






            1              again.  You can actually get pictures on


            2              glass, too.


            3                      MS. GATELLI:  There is pictures of


            4              him, I know there is.


            5                      MR. COURTRIGHT: He might be willing


            6              to do it now.  Ask him.


            7                      MS. GATELLI: Well, I don't think he


            8              has any say in it, he was a mayor of this


            9              community and he belongs up there, so let's


           10              just try it anyway.  I mean, how much could


           11              it cost for a photo?


           12                      MS. EVANS: Right.  I don't think it


           13              was a matter of the money.


           14                      MS. GATELLI: No, I know, but he


           15              belongs up there.


           16                      MS. EVANS: There I think at the time


           17              was a disagreement among parties as to who


           18              controlled city council chambers, you know,


           19              if the mayor controlled council chambers and


           20              --


           21                      MS. GATELLI: I don't think the mayor


           22              would be adverse to putting his picture of


           23              there.


           24                      MS. EVANS: Well, hopefully not now.


           25                      MS. GATELLI: I don't think he would






            1              be.


            2                      MS. EVANS: He was then.


            3                      MS. GATELLI: Well, I'll put the nail


            4              up there and let him come and stop us, so


            5              let's just try it.


            6                      MS. EVANS: Or maybe if you ask him.


            7                      MS. GATELLI: Maybe.


            8                      MS. EVANS: He likes you.


            9                      MS. GATELLI:  He loves me.  Go


           10              ahead.  Oh, I'm sorry.  All in favor?  Aye.


           11                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           12                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           13                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           14                      MS. GATELLI:  Opposed?  The ayes


           15              have it.


           16                      MS. FANUCCI: As if there is anything


           17              after you two.  I absolutely have nothing.


           18                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I have a couple.


           19              I'd like to give a "that a boy" to Officer


           20              Ray Kelly, I think most people know I teach


           21              at the police academy, I just think there


           22              are some things you can't learn through a


           23              book or even in a school that experience has


           24              to teach you.  And there is someone that was


           25              committing a robbery at I believe it was






            1              Best Buy and the employees confronted him


            2              and they pulled a plate off, and it was


            3              thought that this individual would end up


            4              somewhere in the vicinity of West Scranton


            5              and police went there and that person wasn't


            6              there.  I don't know if it was instinct or


            7              what, but he kept watching the area and he


            8              apprehended this person that had the weapon


            9              with no incident, so I give him a "that a


           10              boy," maybe the Times will have him in that


           11              arrest of the week thing.


           12                      I tried to explain this before and I


           13              guess some people are very inpatient.  They


           14              are doing a lot of -- the gas company is


           15              doing a lot of digging over in West Scranton


           16              and they are replacing pipes and it's an


           17              inconvenience, I understand that, but all of


           18              those roads are going to be paved, nice


           19              paved roads, free of charge, it isn't going


           20              to the cost the city a dime, and I'm


           21              thinking that they are supposed to be done


           22              with all of them by Thanksgiving, so try to


           23              have a little patience because if the gas


           24              company didn't dig those streets up they


           25              weren't getting paved, so if you would be a






            1              little more patient.  I know it's an


            2              inconvenience, I drive there myself, but it


            3              really is a good thing.


            4                      We send so many letters out I hate


            5              to ask Kay to send another one, but I would


            6              just like to see if this council would be


            7              agreeable to send a letter to ECTV and ask


            8              them, Mr. Darcy seems to be the man in


            9              charge, ask him are they going to take


           10              Scranton Today or Scranton Tomorrow up on


           11              their offer for live feed?  I can't for the


           12              life of me see why they wouldn't, I'm just


           13              curious.  I saw them talking in the hall


           14              afterwards so I didn't want to interrupt


           15              them, so maybe if we can ask Mr. Darcy, Kay,


           16              if they plan on taking up Scranton Today on


           17              their offer for the live feed.  It's like a


           18              $29,000 gift the way I look at it.  They are


           19              going to charge 29,000 grand for it we got


           20              it up the street for nothing, I don't know


           21              how refuse that.


           22                      MS. EVANS: Mr. Courtright, do you


           23              want to attach a deadline for a response?


           24                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Could they answer us


           25              by next week?  I don't think that would be






            1              too -- he must know by now whether he wants


            2              to do it or not.  Unless there is something


            3              that I don't know about, but I would imagine


            4              he would know by now so if you can ask him


            5              and have it for next week's meeting.


            6                      MS. EVANS: And, Kay, if you don't


            7              mind, Mr. Courtright, if we could include in


            8              the letter the fact that the contract


            9              doesn't expire until December 31, 2009, and


           10              it appears that the public would be waiting


           11              over a year for live government meetings.


           12                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Absolutely.  I


           13              mean, I know we all knew that, I don't know


           14              if the public knew that or not, but that's


           15              fine.  Mr. Davis, you know, I don't want to


           16              answer you when you are up here talking


           17              because then I'm taking your time and you


           18              might get mad, but I don't know how else I


           19              can explain it to you, you keep bringing up


           20              about what you call the Tech Central area


           21              and it being roped off or chained off and


           22              you can't go there and you asked tonight if


           23              we can get a message to the school board.


           24              They have meetings just like we do, so you


           25              can go and talk to them in person and ask






            1              them, but we have no control over that piece


            2              of land.  You and I have been going back and


            3              forth with this since I have been on this


            4              council, so we have no control over that


            5              piece of land.  I don't know when their


            6              meeting are, once a month?


            7                      MS. EVANS: I don't know.


            8                      MR. COURTRIGHT: But, I'll find a


            9              schedule for you, Mr. Davis, and maybe you


           10              can make it a point for to talk for them and


           11              get an answer from them.


           12                      Kay, I'm assuming, and I thought I


           13              saw an early letter go out to Ms. Aebli


           14              about that $10,000, it went out; right?


           15                      MS. GARVEY: Um-hum.


           16                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  We didn't get a


           17              response yet, did we?


           18                      MS. GARVEY: Right.


           19                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I'll wait until next


           20              week and then maybe I can ask you to, I hate


           21              to put deadlines on them, but we don't get


           22              any answers if we don't.  And in all


           23              fairness to Rossi and Rossi, you know, the


           24              audit is never done on time, but I don't


           25              think the blame can be laid on them if they






            1              don't get the information, if people don't


            2              get the information how could they do the


            3              jobs, so I know their name is brought up


            4              quite a bit and so there is -- and I won't


            5              say who they are awaiting for so I don't get


            6              myself in trouble, they are waiting for a


            7              couple of different offices to send


            8              information to them, and I don't think we


            9              can expect them to perform an audit without


           10              the information and I don't think we could


           11              expect the mayor to be able to perform or


           12              prepare a good budget without an audit, so


           13              it's not Rossi and Rossi's fault, the


           14              agencies are not sending the information,


           15              and that's all I have.  Thank you.


           16                      MS. GATELLI:  Mrs. Garvey?


           17                      MS. GARVEY: FIFTH ORDER.  NO


           18              BUSINESS AT THIS TIME.  SIXTH ORDER.  NO


           19              BUSINESS AT THIS TIME.  SEVENTH ORDER.  7-A.


           20              FOR CONSIDERATION - BY THE COMMITTEE ON


           21              RULES FOR ADOPTION - RESOLUTION NO. 76, 2008


           22              - PURSUANT TO FILE OF COUNCIL 32, 2008 - AS






           25              TO THE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE TO ACT AS AN






            1              ADVISORY BOARD ONLY TO OVERSEE THE






            4              ("ECTV") THROUGH THE COMCAST CABLE SYSTEM:


            5              JACK FINNERTY, MARK MONAHAN, TOM WELBY,


            6              JAMES COYLE AND KAREN BAZZARI.


            7                      We are going to need a temporary


            8              chair for the Committee on Rules.


            9                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I'll make a motion


           10              to name Mrs. Gatelli the temporary chair for


           11              the Committee on Rules.


           12                      MS. EVANS: Second.


           13                      MS. GATELLI:  All in favor?


           14                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           15                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           16                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           17                      MS. GATELLI: As Chair for the


           18              Committee on Rules, I recommend final


           19              passage of 7-A.


           20                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.


           21                      MS. GATELLI:  On the question?  Roll


           22              call.


           23                      MS. MAGNOTTA:  Mrs. Evans.


           24                      MS. EVANS:  Yes.


           25                      MS. MAGNOTTA:  Mrs. Gatelli.






            1                      MS. GATELLI.  Yes.


            2                      MS. MAGNOTTA:  Ms. Fanucci.


            3                      MS. FANUCCI:  Yes.


            4                      MS. MAGNOTTA:  Mr. Courtright.


            5                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Yes.


            6                      MS. MAGNOTTA:  Mr. McGoff.


            7                      MS. GATELLI:  May I have a motion to


            8              adjourn?


            9                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  So moved.








































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            4        I hereby certify that the proceedings and


            5   evidence are contained fully and accurately in the


            6   notes of testimony taken by me at the hearing of the


            7   above-captioned matter and that the foregoing is a true


            8   and correct transcript of the same to the best of my


            9   ability.







                                    CATHENE S. NARDOZZI, RPR

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