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            1              SCRANTON CITY COUNCIL MEETING

 

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            5                          HELD:

 

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            7                   Tuesday, October 21, 2008

 

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            9                        LOCATION:

 

           10                    Council Chambers

 

           11                 Scranton City Hall

 

           12              340 North Washington Avenue

 

           13                Scranton, Pennsylvania

 

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                    CATHENE S. NARDOZZI, RPR - OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER

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            2   CITY OF SCRANTON COUNCIL:

 

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                MR. ROBERT MCGOFF, PRESIDENT (Not present)

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            6   MS. JUDY GATELLI, VICE-PRESIDENT

 

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                MS. JANET E. EVANS

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            9   MS. SHERRY FANUCCI

 

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                MR. WILLIAM COURTRIGHT

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           12   MS. KAY GARVEY, CITY CLERK

 

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                MS. SUE MAGNOTTA, ASSISTANT CITY CLERK

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           15   MR. AMIL MINORA, SOLICITOR

 

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            1                      (Pledge of Allegiance recited and

 

            2              moment of reflection observed.)

 

            3                      MS. GATELLI:  Roll call.

 

            4                      MS. MAGNOTTA:  Mrs. Evans.

 

            5                      MS. EVANS:  Here.

 

            6                      MS. MAGNOTTA:  Mrs. Gatelli.

 

            7                      MS. GATELLI.  Here.

 

            8                      MS. MAGNOTTA:  Ms. Fanucci.

 

            9                      MS. FANUCCI:  Here.

 

           10                      MS. MAGNOTTA:  Mr. Courtright.

 

           11                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Here.

 

           12                      MS. MAGNOTTA:  Mr. McGoff.

 

           13                      (Mr. McGoff not present.)

 

           14                      MS. GATELLI: Dispense with the

 

           15              reading of the minutes?

 

           16                      MS. GARVEY: Third order.  3-A.

 

           17              AGENDA FOR THE CITY PLANNING COMMISSION

 

           18              MEETING HELD ON OCTOBER 15, 2008.

 

           19                      MS. GATELLI: Are there any comments?

 

           20              If not, received and filed.

 

           21                      MS. GARVEY:  That's it for Third

 

           22              Order.

 

           23                      MS. GATELLI: Before we start public

 

           24              participation I just have a few

 

           25              announcements.  We were talking recently


 

 

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            1              about curb cuts and the Center for

 

            2              Independent Living and I wanted to give out

 

            3              the phone number for the center because some

 

            4              of the people didn't have it.  The number is

 

            5              800-344-7211.  That's Center for Independent

 

            6              Living, 800-344-7211, and the e-mail is

 

            7              Info@NEPACIL.org.

 

            8                      St. Peter's Lutheran Church on Ash

 

            9              and Taylor is having a pancake and sausage

 

           10              breakfast this Saturday from 7 to 11, the

 

           11              cost is $5.00 and it's to support St.

 

           12              Francis Kitchen.  Also, there will a bake

 

           13              sale to support the food pantry at Elm Park

 

           14              Church.

 

           15                      October 24th to the 31st in

 

           16              Lackawanna County is red ribbon week.  It is

 

           17              the campaign to heighten awareness regarding

 

           18              alcohol and other drug problems facing the

 

           19              community.  It serves to unite communities

 

           20              and activities promoting a drug free

 

           21              life-style and to help coalitions to

 

           22              implement prevention strategies.  The

 

           23              campaign focuses on the importance of

 

           24              successful prevention activities reaching

 

           25              all spectrums of the community to reduce the


 

 

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            1              demand for drugs.  Parents, community

 

            2              groups, human services agencies, churches,

 

            3              youths, schools, businesses, law enforcement

 

            4              agencies, governments, senior citizens,

 

            5              service organizations, media and health

 

            6              organizes.

 

            7                      I know all of the schools in the

 

            8              county will be participating in red ribbon

 

            9              week.  You will see red ribbons tied on the

 

           10              fences at the schools and along the

 

           11              courthouse and the city hall.  If you would

 

           12              like to support the red ribbon week you can

 

           13              tie a red ribbon on your car antenna in

 

           14              support of a drug free community.

 

           15                      I just wanted to tell you about

 

           16              something interesting I saw in the "Morning

 

           17              Call," it is the newspaper for Allentown,

 

           18              Pennsylvania, and it was in on October 16.

 

           19              "The mayor of Allentown, Ed Paloski, placed

 

           20              neglectful city landlords on notice

 

           21              Wednesday, clean up your properties or face

 

           22              public humiliation.  The comments came as

 

           23              the mayor unveiled a new city initiative

 

           24              dubbed, the "Landlord Hall of Shame," aimed

 

           25              at publically embarrassing landlords into


 

 

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            1              action when merely issuing code violations

 

            2              proves ineffective."

 

            3                      I will send this onto the mayor and

 

            4              any of you can read it in the "Morning

 

            5              Call," but it is another way of getting

 

            6              deadbeat landlords to try to fix up the

 

            7              properties.  Many times they are cited over

 

            8              and over again and nothing is done and they

 

            9              even are going to for the absentee landlords

 

           10              put advertisements in the papers where they

 

           11              live to let the community know that they are

 

           12              blighting another neighborhood, so I'm going

 

           13              to send this on the mayor if any of my

 

           14              colleagues would like to read it, it's

 

           15              really very interesting and I'm glad that he

 

           16              is doing that, and that's all I have.

 

           17                      MS. EVANS: The Unico Tram of Terror

 

           18              will operate from Shookie's at Nay Aug Park

 

           19              this Friday and Saturday evenings beginning

 

           20              at dusk.  Adult tickets are $5.00 and

 

           21              children are $3.00.  Bring the family and

 

           22              enjoy a terror filled good time.

 

           23                      Also, on November 4, the

 

           24              infrastructure bond referendum will appear

 

           25              on the ballot.  Voters will be asked if they


 

 

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            1              favor the Commonwealth incurring

 

            2              $400 million of indebtedness to finance

 

            3              grants and loans for infrastructure projects

 

            4              including water, sewer, and storm water.

 

            5              The referendum stems from the passage of Act

 

            6              64 in July.  This is a very important

 

            7              referendum question for municipal government

 

            8              and the voters themselves as consumers.

 

            9              Water and sewer improvement needs in

 

           10              Pennsylvania alone are in the billions of

 

           11              dollars while states and federal funding has

 

           12              been cut in recent years.  If the referendum

 

           13              passes the Pennsylvania Infrastructure

 

           14              Investment Authority or Pennvest, would

 

           15              provide grants and loans to municipalities

 

           16              and public utilities for the cost associated

 

           17              with the acquisition, construction,

 

           18              improvement, expansion, extension, repair on

 

           19              rehabilitation of all or part of drinking

 

           20              water system and waste water treatment

 

           21              system projects.

 

           22                      Locally, our sewer authority

 

           23              projects over $150 million in EPA mandated

 

           24              improvements.  Funds allocated to each

 

           25              project would being capped based on the size


 

 

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            1              of the population served, and the average

 

            2              amount of gallons per day a system handles.

 

            3              The Pennsylvania Infrastructure Investment

 

            4              Authority Board would have the ability to

 

            5              allocate funds above the cap for

 

            6              comprehensive projects that provide or are

 

            7              proposed to provide consolidated service to

 

            8              at least two or more municipalities, and as

 

            9              we know the Scranton Sewer Authority serves

 

           10              both Scranton and Dunmore and, as such, may

 

           11              be eligible for these additional funds.  So,

 

           12              please consider this issue carefully before

 

           13              voting on November 4 the impact that all of

 

           14              this will have on you as ratepayers.  And

 

           15              that's it.

 

           16                      MS. GATELLI: Anyone else?  First

 

           17              speaker is Mr. Spindler.

 

           18                      MR. SPINDLER: Good evening, Council.

 

           19              Les Spindler, city residents and homeowner.

 

           20              Mrs. Gatelli, I didn't get a chance to see

 

           21              the replay last week you were going to say

 

           22              something about Whistle's, but I had to

 

           23              leave and I didn't get a chance to hear what

 

           24              you said.

 

           25                      MS. GATELLI:  I had the phone number


 

 

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            1              for you and I had in the office there is the

 

            2              form you file when there is a complaint

 

            3              about smoking.  I couldn't do it for you,

 

            4              you have to be the person that observed it,

 

            5              so they are in the office if you want to get

 

            6              a copy.

 

            7                      MR. SPINDLER:  Okay.  Thank you.  I

 

            8              said this again last week, I'm going to say

 

            9              it this week again, I think the city should

 

           10              look in a new cable provider.  The citizens

 

           11              of this city need a break.  Everything else

 

           12              is going up, their prices are going up and

 

           13              it's ridiculous.  Would anybody on the

 

           14              council be against looking into a new

 

           15              provider?

 

           16                      MS. GATELLI:  No.  As a matter of

 

           17              fact, Mr. Spindler, we have Mrs. Garvey

 

           18              going to send letters to some of the cable

 

           19              companies and a notice came about a seminar

 

           20              for cable law and we are going to discuss

 

           21              sending Attorney Minora to that in January.

 

           22                      MR. SPINDLER:  Great.  Thank you.

 

           23              Next thing, Luzerne County wanted to borrow

 

           24              $16 million and last week a judge decided

 

           25              only give them about a third of that.  The


 

 

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            1              judge said they had to tighten their belts

 

            2              like everybody else is, and the point I'm

 

            3              trying to make is that what this city has to

 

            4              do.  You are going to get Mayor Doherty's

 

            5              budget and he is probably going to want to

 

            6              borrow more money and we can't keep

 

            7              borrowing money, we got to cut at the top,

 

            8              cut all of the fat at the top.  Like Judge

 

            9              Lakuta said down there, "We got to tighten

 

           10              our belts and not borrow anymore money."

 

           11                      Next thing, a gentleman came up to

 

           12              me last week and said about the corner of

 

           13              Olive and Penn, on Olive Street going

 

           14              towards the city, there is a -- it's

 

           15              supposed to be two lanes there, and he said

 

           16              people are just making it one lane and

 

           17              traffic is backing way up because there is

 

           18              no lines there.  Mrs. Evans, you are

 

           19              probably familiar with that, so see if the

 

           20              lines could get painted there.

 

           21                      MS. EVANS: Give me the location

 

           22              again?

 

           23                      MR. SPINDLER:  On Olive Street where

 

           24              it meets Penn Avenue going away from

 

           25              Scranton High School, I guess that's east.


 

 

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            1                      MS. EVANS: Oh, I know exactly where

 

            2              it is.

 

            3                      MR. SPINDLER: Hopefully it will take

 

            4              a little less time than the lines I asked to

 

            5              be painted which, as a matter of fact they

 

            6              are working great.  I went down there today,

 

            7              well, I go there almost everyday and people

 

            8              actually know what lane to get into and it

 

            9              only took three years.

 

           10                      Lastly, it's two weeks today is

 

           11              election day and I don't know about anybody

 

           12              else, but in my lifetime I think this is the

 

           13              most important election in my lifetime.  I

 

           14              don't think this country as been in bad as

 

           15              shape as it is in right now and I just hope

 

           16              everybody gets out to vote and does their

 

           17              civic duty and does the right thing two

 

           18              weeks from today.  And that's all I have to

 

           19              say.  Thank you.

 

           20                      MS. GATELLI: Thank you,

 

           21              Mr. Spindler.  Mr. Sbaraglia.

 

           22                      MR. SBARAGLIA: Andy Sbaraglia,

 

           23              citizen of Scranton.  Fellow Scrantonians,

 

           24              on our block grants, there was something, I

 

           25              don't know if you can explain it, but I


 

 

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            1              don't know if all of it's in there, but I

 

            2              know we lost money on the Hilton, exactly

 

            3              what are we paying for Boscov's, does

 

            4              anybody know?

 

            5                      MS. GATELLI:  No.

 

            6                      MR. SBARAGLIA: They stated it very

 

            7              clearly that there were two issues, you

 

            8              know, one was the hotel and one was

 

            9              Boscov's.  Now, I know that they did

 

           10              renovations a long time ago to the theatre,

 

           11              I just wondered if it's in conjunction with

 

           12              the theatre or in conjunction with the mall

 

           13              project itself.

 

           14                      MS. EVANS: Mr. Sbaraglia, I believe

 

           15              that it would be in conjunction with the

 

           16              mall because I posed that question the

 

           17              evening we were visited by the OECD

 

           18              representatives and they agreed that it was

 

           19              for the 108 repayment on the Hilton as well

 

           20              as repayment on the Steamtown Mall.

 

           21                      MR. SBARAGLIA: Okay.  And I don't

 

           22              know why we are paying on that, obviously, I

 

           23              don't know because, you know, Mr. Boscov

 

           24              still owns the mall, he owns the Sampter's

 

           25              building, he owns the old Dry Goods and he


 

 

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            1              owns the theatre.  Surely there is enough

 

            2              collateral in all of those places to pay off

 

            3              this loan whatever it's for, but I don't

 

            4              know, I remember them borrowing a lot of

 

            5              money for the theatre, I really do, because

 

            6              they put new seats in and all of that, and I

 

            7              don't know if that's in conjunction with

 

            8              that.  I would assume it would be more in

 

            9              line with that project than with the

 

           10              original mall other than the fact is that

 

           11              the mall was connected to the theatre, so I

 

           12              don't know really know, but I was just

 

           13              wondering.

 

           14                      Another thing, as you know we are

 

           15              self-insured.  Now, we had a huge drop in

 

           16              the market.  Does anybody get any word at

 

           17              all on where we stand on our money that was

 

           18              invested in this self-insured project?  I

 

           19              know we have to be funded at a certain

 

           20              amount, below 100 percent, but a certain

 

           21              amount.  I don't remember exactly whether

 

           22              it's 90 percent or 85, we went through

 

           23              somewhere along the line and they were

 

           24              giving us a little leeway on that, so we are

 

           25              not fully insured we know that, but are we


 

 

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            1              less fully insured now and do we have to

 

            2              make up the difference which is more of a

 

            3              concern to the taxpayers.  If we have to

 

            4              make up the loss in the market then,

 

            5              obviously, somewhere alone the line we have

 

            6              to get money.  We can't, you know, there is

 

            7              nothing we can do about it, somewhere we are

 

            8              going to have to pay.

 

            9                      And they keep bringing up all of the

 

           10              teachers and I guess administrators and so

 

           11              forth, pensions and they keep saying they

 

           12              lost millions and millions of dollars there,

 

           13              too, and it's coming to the taxpayers to

 

           14              make up the difference.  I keep hearing it,

 

           15              but nobody ever come up with figures, but

 

           16              that could be on the horizon, too, if we

 

           17              have to make up losses for the pension fund

 

           18              for the teachers and so forth and so on,

 

           19              somewhere along the line I don't know if it

 

           20              will be done on the state level or on the

 

           21              city level or what level it will be taken

 

           22              on, I don't know exactly how that works.

 

           23                      I don't know how your pension works.

 

           24              In other words, I don't know how the school

 

           25              teachers' pension is tied into the state, in


 

 

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            1              other words, does your pension payments --

 

            2                      MS. GATELLI: It is the state.

 

            3                      MR. SBARAGLIA: It is the state, so

 

            4              your --

 

            5                      MS. GATELLI:  Pennsylvania State

 

            6              Employees Retirement System.

 

            7                      MR. SBARAGLIA: Right, and that's the

 

            8              one that's is trouble, so eventually that's

 

            9              going to go, and I don't know if it's going

 

           10              to be taken from the people in the plan or

 

           11              from the taxpayers.  I keep hearing a lot of

 

           12              fries about it that it's going to hit us

 

           13              like a ton of bricks, but nobody ever

 

           14              explains it nobody tries to head it off, if

 

           15              they can't head it off.  If we are headed

 

           16              for a collision course then I say we should

 

           17              take some time to look at this problem and

 

           18              see if we can avoid it rather than let it

 

           19              fall on us like a ton of bricks like the

 

           20              market.

 

           21                      Things have to be looked at in

 

           22              advance and not the one that comes before

 

           23              us, for some reason or other the

 

           24              administration always comes down two days

 

           25              before this has to done and say you got to


 

 

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            1              pass it.  That's not a way to do business.

 

            2              That's not any way to do business.  The way

 

            3              you to business is to look at the problem

 

            4              and see if you can solve it before it

 

            5              becomes a bigger problem.  Like your mother

 

            6              used to say, a stitch in time saves nine, so

 

            7              it should be with government.  Thank you.

 

            8                      MS. GATELLI: Mr. Bolus.

 

            9                      MR. BOLUS:  Good evening, Council,

 

           10              Bob Bolus, Scranton.  Just one of the

 

           11              things, last week I was reading an article

 

           12              in Clarks Summit where they have now

 

           13              appointed a junior council and there are

 

           14              other ones being done following the lead

 

           15              that as here and it's kind of upsetting to

 

           16              see an empty table, and I believe that if

 

           17              you start an internship here again you could

 

           18              rejuvenate it and learn from our past

 

           19              mistakes here and give the kids a chance.

 

           20                   On ECTV, I mean, it's an absolute joke

 

           21              to see what's been going on.  We had

 

           22              Scranton Today here, Tomorrow, we had our

 

           23              meetings covered not only here, but every

 

           24              meeting throughout the whole area and there

 

           25              was never a problem.  We spent 90,000 and


 

 

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            1              the county commissioners are giving 20,000,

 

            2              so they should be accountable.  You can have

 

            3              all of the meetings here you want, but until

 

            4              you turn around and take the bull by the

 

            5              horns we are going to have the same nonsense

 

            6              here.  The mayor has tried to suppress the

 

            7              media, so to speak, the truth of the people,

 

            8              and it's got to stop.  I mean, we are a

 

            9              disgrace.  It's an embarrassment to see

 

           10              what's going on.  If you people didn't give

 

           11              them the money we may have been getting the

 

           12              live coverage today.  This is, again,

 

           13              letting the mayor lead this city and we are

 

           14              all the followers and there is no

 

           15              accountability.

 

           16                      You know, taxpayers have been

 

           17              wasting money on this mayor and bailing him

 

           18              out time after time in the millions.  You

 

           19              know, we are just like the government here

 

           20              now with the major bail out.  We don't care

 

           21              how we bail it out as long as somebody pays

 

           22              the bill, and that's the taxpayers.  Those

 

           23              that can't even pay their heating bills or

 

           24              probably pay the phone bills or food bills

 

           25              today with the economy the way it is and we


 

 

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            1              are using our tax dollars to continue to

 

            2              bail this administration out.

 

            3                      You know the government is bailing

 

            4              out banks, we are doing all of this

 

            5              nonsense, the mayor is doing this and doing

 

            6              that, we can't even settle our firemen and

 

            7              police contracts in the city and we are the

 

            8              spotlight of the universe right now and

 

            9              it's, I mean, embarrassing.  It really is.

 

           10                   An issue I have, and it's a sore spot,

 

           11              and being a Scrantonian, Mrs. Fanucci, this

 

           12              isn't political, this is my right of free

 

           13              speech tonight.  Governor Palin came to

 

           14              Scranton, I didn't see a single official

 

           15              from the city there.  When Mr. McCain came I

 

           16              didn't see an official.  When some other

 

           17              party members showed up a lot of officials

 

           18              showed up.  My displeasure with our

 

           19              officials is that you represent all of us,

 

           20              not Democrats, Republicans, Independents,

 

           21              those that don't vote.  When you people ran

 

           22              you ran at the pleasure of the people to

 

           23              serve at the pleasure of the people, not the

 

           24              other way around, and that's not happening

 

           25              here and I find it embarrassing that when


 

 

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            1              people who are running for the highest

 

            2              office in this country none of our officials

 

            3              show up, only for a selected group.  You are

 

            4              supposed to represent all of us.  What you

 

            5              do individually or who you represent

 

            6              individually or what party you want to back,

 

            7              God bless you, that's is your American

 

            8              right, but when people come to the City of

 

            9              Scranton and none of our officials greet

 

           10              these people it's an embarrassment.  The

 

           11              spotlight of this country has been on

 

           12              Scranton, Pennsylvania, and I'm ashamed of

 

           13              it, I really am.  All of you, everybody that

 

           14              showed here.  I didn't endorse, I didn't do

 

           15              anything, but I went there because I wanted

 

           16              to learn.  I wanted to hear and I wanted to

 

           17              thank them and I did that personally to each

 

           18              and every one that came here I thanked them

 

           19              for coming to Scranton as a businessman, but

 

           20              more importantly as an American and as a

 

           21              resident here, and I believe everybody here

 

           22              should do that.  You represent us.

 

           23                      I know the last time I spoke

 

           24              Mrs. Evans said her students came first.

 

           25              Well, I don't think the students would


 

 

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            1              become illiterate in an hour or a half our

 

            2              it took the other day to walk across the

 

            3              street to Riverside Sports and say, "Thank

 

            4              you for coming to Scranton."

 

            5                      This is what it's about, whether

 

            6              it's one person or two people that show up

 

            7              from the council or the mayor, and more

 

            8              importantly the mayor, whatever his

 

            9              political aspirations are I really don't

 

           10              care.  We all pay into the same pot here and

 

           11              you represent us all equally and I think you

 

           12              should do that, you owe it to us because you

 

           13              are here to serve at our request and

 

           14              represent all of us when people are looking.

 

           15                   Just say thank you.  You don't have to

 

           16              endorse, we are not asking you to endorse.

 

           17              I just want you to show the courtesy of the

 

           18              friendly city that we used to be that built

 

           19              Scranton is to say thank you to people once

 

           20              and for all.  Thank you.

 

           21                      MS. GATELLI: Mr. Miller.

 

           22                      MR. MILLER:  Good evening, Council,

 

           23              Doug Miller, Scranton.  I would just like to

 

           24              touch on junior council as well, it was

 

           25              brought up by Mr. Bolus.  You know, it


 

 

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            1              certainly is disappointing to me as the

 

            2              president and founder of the Scranton Junior

 

            3              Council to see that we are not going to

 

            4              continue the program here.  Just recently we

 

            5              found out that Clarks Summit was going to

 

            6              form a council and I believe that is the

 

            7              fifth or sixth town in the area to do so and

 

            8              all of these towns formed these councils

 

            9              because they followed our lead and saw what

 

           10              we were doing here and the success we had

 

           11              with the kids and now in a way we kind of

 

           12              look a laughing stock because we are not

 

           13              going to continue with it.  So, you know, I

 

           14              encourage council to continue.  We started

 

           15              something good here, it was a success and it

 

           16              was supported by many all across the city.

 

           17                      I, too, would like to touch on the

 

           18              presidential visits, not to become

 

           19              political, but as elected officials it is

 

           20              your job, regardless of who you want to

 

           21              support, it's your personal opinion, but

 

           22              whether it's the mayor or council or anybody

 

           23              else you should be there to at least welcome

 

           24              them to Scranton.  You know, as we all know

 

           25              we are in the national spotlight, everyday


 

 

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            1              we are in a national paper making headlines

 

            2              and you should be there to greet these

 

            3              candidates because, you know, as an elected

 

            4              official that's what leaders do.

 

            5                      The main reason I'm here tonight is

 

            6              to address the ECTV issue that has become an

 

            7              issue here at council meetings.  You know,

 

            8              over the last few weeks I have been reading

 

            9              that this council is beginning to become

 

           10              very frustrated with this whole situation,

 

           11              quite frankly, I am, too.  You know, last

 

           12              month the station received $90,000 from

 

           13              OECD, which this council approved, and I

 

           14              recently read that the county as well is

 

           15              going to be making a contribution.  You

 

           16              know, with all of this money I ask myself

 

           17              why, you know, these meetings here aren't

 

           18              broadcast live.

 

           19                      You know, in the past statements

 

           20              have been made by myself at the podium and I

 

           21              have objected to what's going on here.  You

 

           22              know, I have always supported Channel 61, I

 

           23              lead Junior Council in December of 2007 in a

 

           24              fundraiser in which we raised nearly $1,000

 

           25              for the station.  There are many senior


 

 

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            1              citizens who can't get here each week and

 

            2              ECTV is the only way they can view these

 

            3              meetings live.

 

            4                      When they do finally broadcast the

 

            5              meetings that are taped they are shown at

 

            6              times that are not convenient for people.  I

 

            7              am asking Council and the oversight

 

            8              committee that you will be officially

 

            9              appointing tonight to consider returning to

 

           10              Scranton Today.  It's time to hold ECTV

 

           11              accountable.  They have made a very big

 

           12              commitment and they have not followed

 

           13              through on it and they should have.  If ECTV

 

           14              does not follow through on it's October 23

 

           15              deadline then it's time for council to sit

 

           16              down in these chambers and resolve this

 

           17              issue once and for all.  That's what leaders

 

           18              do.  Thank you.

 

           19                      MS. GATELLI: Mr. Quinn.

 

           20                      MR. QUINN:  Ozzie Quinn, Taxpayers'

 

           21              Association.  I just want to bring it your

 

           22              attention, it's never been printed in the

 

           23              Scranton Times and Tribune, but we have a

 

           24              tremendous debt in the City of Scranton, not

 

           25              only by the city administration, okay,


 

 

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            1              actually it was 2006 the last audit with

 

            2              $108 million just in principal, and I know

 

            3              you refinanced, as you say a refinance,

 

            4              borrowed $5.5 million to resale.  Now, the

 

            5              county's debt went up this year because they

 

            6              refinanced from 207 to 224.4 million, and

 

            7              that's just the principal, and the school

 

            8              district is $185 million.  So, you are

 

            9              floating around a half a billion dollars,

 

           10              you know, in debt and the city has a

 

           11              population of 72,000, how many are property

 

           12              owners?

 

           13                      This is staggering, okay, and I

 

           14              don't know how we are ever going to get out

 

           15              of this debt and, you know, you hear all of

 

           16              this gobbledygook about refinancing and it's

 

           17              going to lessen the payments next year, I

 

           18              heard that from County Commissioner O'Brien,

 

           19              but the fact is when they are out of there

 

           20              somebody else is going to borrow and it's

 

           21              going to continue.  This is scary and

 

           22              especially with the way that our population

 

           23              is and our jobs, that the income that's

 

           24              coming into the households it's -- I don't

 

           25              know how we are going to do it, but the


 

 

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            1              thing is that nobody is addressing it.  The

 

            2              county is going their way, the city is going

 

            3              their way, and the school board is going

 

            4              that way and it's coming out of the same

 

            5              taxpayers' pocket, and now we will see a

 

            6              budget coming out of it from the mayor.  I

 

            7              hope that he takes from the lead that county

 

            8              commissioners did and starts to cut back on

 

            9              some of the jobs that are not needed and

 

           10              start to consolidate some of these

 

           11              departments because it's got to be done.

 

           12                   I'm going to go to the school board

 

           13              meeting, the next meeting.  I try to go to

 

           14              every one of them and they are going to

 

           15              raise their taxes, no doubt about it, they

 

           16              got permission to raise it from the state

 

           17              6.4 percent this year, I don't know what the

 

           18              city will do, but when we are talking about

 

           19              a half a billion dollars that's a lot of

 

           20              nickles for a city our size and I don't

 

           21              think the people are aware of it out there,

 

           22              and you know what, I don't know, you know,

 

           23              if it's getting out, you know, if it's

 

           24              bouncing off of them or what, but, please,

 

           25              you know, when you look at this budget this


 

 

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            1              year try to take into consideration the

 

            2              people in the City of Scranton, you know,

 

            3              even though it was 72,000 there is, I don't

 

            4              know how many taxpayers there are, and it's

 

            5              not very many and I'm pretty sure that that

 

            6              $22.4 million the county owes the greatest

 

            7              percentage of that is going to come from the

 

            8              City of Scranton because it's a central

 

            9              business district and the number of homes in

 

           10              the City of Scranton, so it's a heck of a

 

           11              burden to be carrying on the taxpayers'

 

           12              back, so I'd appreciate it if someone would

 

           13              take the lead here because there is nobody,

 

           14              and I'm saying nobody taking the lead for

 

           15              the people in the City of Scranton.  They

 

           16              are just doing their own little political

 

           17              thing.  Thank you.

 

           18                      MS. GATELLI: Mr. Stucker.

 

           19                      MR. STUCKER: How you doing?  Hi,

 

           20              Courtright.  Pat, my buddy talked with me

 

           21              tonight on the phone and he said he got a

 

           22              lot of catch basins that got a lot of

 

           23              garbage and weeds and stuff, they have to be

 

           24              cleaned out, the city has got to do it, they

 

           25              are sitting down there in the garage and


 

 

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            1              they are not doing nothing.

 

            2                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Oh, no, Jim.  They

 

            3              are not sitting around the garage doing

 

            4              nothing.  They are going to get to them.

 

            5                      MR. STUCKER: They got to clean

 

            6              leaves and stuff, a lot of leaves and stuff

 

            7              that they can't -- a lot of them they got to

 

            8              clean them.  Linden and Mulberry we got a

 

            9              big hole there, a big pothole we got, Linden

 

           10              and Mulberry.

 

           11                      MS. GATELLI:  At Linden and

 

           12              Mulberry?

 

           13                      MR. STUCKER: Linden and Mulberry,

 

           14              there is a big hole there and Pat hit it a

 

           15              couple of times, and the garbage was picked

 

           16              up pretty good, we've been riding around, me

 

           17              and my buddy, Pat.  And I got a telephone

 

           18              now, I got to get it turned on, so I'm

 

           19              basically waiting for next week, this week I

 

           20              didn't get it turned on, so I will be

 

           21              getting my phone turned on and you will be

 

           22              getting a call because I'll give you my

 

           23              number when I get it.  And they never fixed

 

           24              that light yet.

 

           25                      MR. COURTRIGHT: What light, Jim?


 

 

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            1                      MR. STUCKER: The one on Mulberry and

 

            2              -- across from the corner of Capouse and

 

            3              Mulberry.

 

            4                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  We'll look at it,

 

            5              Jim, the streetlight you are talking about?

 

            6                      MR. STUCKER:  Yeah, the one with the

 

            7              pole.

 

            8                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Not the traffic

 

            9              light.

 

           10                      MR. STUCKER:  Yeah, the traffic

 

           11              light?

 

           12                      MS. GATELLI:  The red light?

 

           13                      MR. STUCKER: The red and yellow and

 

           14              green, that has been out already a month,

 

           15              maybe longer than that.

 

           16                      MS. GATELLI:  Is it going down or

 

           17              coming up because I came that way today and

 

           18              it was working?

 

           19                      MR. STUCKER:  Going that way, going

 

           20              up to right where you make the turn on

 

           21              Mulberry there.

 

           22                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Oh, on Capouse.

 

           23                      MR. STUCKER:  Yeah, on the corner of

 

           24              Capouse and across from the Army where the

 

           25              old people stay.


 

 

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            1                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Veteran's Center.

 

            2                      MR. STUCKER: Yeah, the Veteran's

 

            3              Center, right across from that.

 

            4                      MR. COURTRIGHT: We will ask them

 

            5              about that.

 

            6                      MR. STUCKER:  Yeah, the lights are

 

            7              out.  All right?  Okay.

 

            8                      MS. GATELLI:  Thank you.

 

            9              Mr. Ellman.

 

           10                      MR. ELLMAN: Hello, Council.  Ronnie

 

           11              Ellman.  It's been so long I thought you

 

           12              might forget who I was.

 

           13                      MS. EVANS: Never.

 

           14                      MR. ELLMAN:  Miss Judy, I got some

 

           15              words.  A very successful religious man gave

 

           16              me that's words about 30 years ago, 25 years

 

           17              ago, I forget.  Blessed is the one who

 

           18              preserves under trial.  That's from Mark I

 

           19              think he said.

 

           20                      And I'd like to say a word to these

 

           21              people behind me, in the late 50's and 60's

 

           22              I cleaned swimming pools in Los Angeles and

 

           23              I had a favorite pool off of Mulholland that

 

           24              overlooked Universal Studios and I used to

 

           25              come two, three times a week and take just a


 

 

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            1              beautiful view of the valley.  One day I saw

 

            2              all of this commotion on one of the

 

            3              mountains on the property and I couldn't

 

            4              figure out what in the world was going on,

 

            5              so at that time I worked part-time at the

 

            6              Universal Studios and I asked the gate guard

 

            7              what they were doing and he told me they are

 

            8              going to remove that mountain for parking

 

            9              and building and so on, and I thought to

 

           10              myself, my grand-kids will be cleaning that

 

           11              swimming pool and they will working on the

 

           12              mountain, but really in year or so they had

 

           13              the mountain down to a flat area and that if

 

           14              you visit Universal you will be standing on

 

           15              that 10 or 20 acres today.

 

           16                      What I'm getting at is all of these

 

           17              people week after week have been attacking a

 

           18              mountain with a shovel and everybody says

 

           19              you are beating your head on a wall fighting

 

           20              this administration, you are not getting

 

           21              anywhere.  Well, they are, and I want them

 

           22              to know they are.  When I make my frequent

 

           23              trips to the men's room at the Taurus Club

 

           24              and talk politics, because they have a

 

           25              little section where I just sit all the time


 

 

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            1              because nobody talks to me there and they

 

            2              just keep me there sort of until the time to

 

            3              put me out the door, you know, and I have

 

            4              found that some of Mr. Doherty's staunchest

 

            5              supporters just a few months ago have jumped

 

            6              ship, you know.  And, I mean, people that

 

            7              really had friendly arguments for a minute

 

            8              or two they are through and what did it was

 

            9              this.  This TV was the straw that was the

 

           10              camel that just broke -- the straw that

 

           11              broke the camel's back.  It just ashame

 

           12              $100,000 went down the drain like this to

 

           13              improve a personal piece of property and for

 

           14              two or three months, whatever it's been,

 

           15              nothing is on TV.  I watched it the other

 

           16              night, the first time I seen anything that

 

           17              interested me there was a lady talking

 

           18              become tort, which I just watched a little

 

           19              program for a minute.  And it's ashame that

 

           20              this has been going on and you all won't --

 

           21              you won't give in.  It's just time -- it's

 

           22              time to just throw in the towel, they're

 

           23              doing it right.  They are just wasting their

 

           24              money.  They wasted our time and they have

 

           25              had long enough to do something, and I won't


 

 

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            1              keep harping on this.

 

            2                      But I'd like to congratulate

 

            3              Mr. McGoff on his running, I think that's a

 

            4              real accomplishment to me and I'd like to

 

            5              say, I don't know, six, eight months ago I

 

            6              mentioned a few people in the community that

 

            7              I admire and I'd like to mention another one

 

            8              and that's Joe Snedeker.  I watched him this

 

            9              summer riding his little bicycle for St.

 

           10              Joseph's and it was raining as I remember a

 

           11              whole lot and this is just such an

 

           12              accomplishment to me that he does this every

 

           13              year and doesn't seem to be recognized or

 

           14              anything, you know.  I don't think I'd

 

           15              confound him on my little scooter and

 

           16              lasting al that trip really.

 

           17                      When I was growing up in Memphis

 

           18              they had a home like St. Joseph, it was

 

           19              called the Home for Incurables then and my

 

           20              father volunteered there for 10 or 15 years,

 

           21              I don't know, but he took me occasionally

 

           22              with him and it's heart-wrenching to find

 

           23              yourself there and it takes an outstanding

 

           24              staff of people and volunteers to work with

 

           25              these people and that's why I admire


 

 

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            1              Mr. Snedeker so much.  I just thought I

 

            2              would say that.  I hadn't heard anybody say

 

            3              something publically about his

 

            4              accomplishment of riding that bicycle for

 

            5              him.

 

            6                      I mentioned one time that I was

 

            7              supposed to go work at St. Jude and I didn't

 

            8              do it and I have always had this guilt sort

 

            9              of, you know, that I let people down that

 

           10              needed me at that time.  As tight as I am I

 

           11              give a little donation to St. Joseph every

 

           12              year and St. Jude and I'm on the list of --

 

           13              the sucker list for paralyzed vets and the

 

           14              dog pond and everything, but I'd like to

 

           15              personally thank Mr. Snedeker for his

 

           16              helping St. Joseph so much.  Thank you.

 

           17                      MS. GATELLI:  Thank you.

 

           18              Mr. Dobson.

 

           19                      MR. DOBSON: Good evening, Council.

 

           20              Dave Dobson, member of the Taxpayers' of

 

           21              Scranton.  For once you are going to hear

 

           22              something on your side, irregardless of

 

           23              whether people think you should be hanging

 

           24              around at political rallies all day or

 

           25              whatever or whether you agree with these


 

 

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            1              people or you don't, working people may be

 

            2              fired for leaving work without notice or

 

            3              reasonable cause, you know, you just can't

 

            4              walk out of work and go to some political

 

            5              rally and do what you want and that's kind

 

            6              of silly.

 

            7                      And, number two, Comcast should be

 

            8              asked to correct the volume problems.  I

 

            9              have been doing some research on this and

 

           10              it's not really Scranton Today and it's not

 

           11              really ECTV because I have done some

 

           12              videography for the taxpayers and I still

 

           13              have to turn them all the way up and when I

 

           14              view through the finder I view the volume

 

           15              levels on the vocals I'm running the risk of

 

           16              sounding like I-Robot or something with the

 

           17              actual levels that are being recorded on the

 

           18              tapes, so I wish somebody would approach

 

           19              Comcast and tell them, hey, come on, we are

 

           20              giving you the franchise, you know, and

 

           21              paying, let's fix it.  It's time and I guess

 

           22              this is 11 years now.

 

           23                      On Channel 62 I talked to somebody

 

           24              and it's strictly unconfirmed, but they said

 

           25              they would be amicable to sharing it with


 

 

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            1              someone, I might get hollered out again for

 

            2              even mentioning it, but there is not much on

 

            3              and it and there is only so much you can do

 

            4              as one station to fill up all of these slots

 

            5              anyway.

 

            6                      Other than that I'd like a message

 

            7              for the voters and my pet peeve is that our

 

            8              country has been striped of an economic base

 

            9              due to trade packs.  Everything is from

 

           10              China, everything is from -- I don't know

 

           11              even think Mexico hurt us that much other

 

           12              than with the China trade pack, but, please,

 

           13              no matter who you vote for get in touch with

 

           14              them after the election and tell them,

 

           15              please, no more trade packs with countries

 

           16              that don't have a consumer based economy to

 

           17              actually take some goods off of our hands

 

           18              and it's causing a lot of joblessness and we

 

           19              are in a serious condition here and it's

 

           20              coming right down the pike to everybody.  A

 

           21              lot of these politicians, locals and stuff

 

           22              with their borrowing, yes, they have to

 

           23              borrow because they don't have any money

 

           24              coming in, wage taxes disappear and so forth

 

           25              and it's -- some of the projects are good,


 

 

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            1              some of them are kind of silly, but

 

            2              irregardless there would be plenty of money

 

            3              around if everybody was working and paying

 

            4              taxes for a change.  Thank you and have a

 

            5              good night, but contact these people after

 

            6              the election not before the election when

 

            7              they are all giving you a pat on the back.

 

            8              Have a good night.

 

            9                      MS. GATELLI:  Thank you.

 

           10              Mr. Jackowitz.

 

           11                      MR. JACKOWITZ: Good evening, Council

 

           12              members.  Bill Jackowitz, South Scranton

 

           13              resident and member of the Scranton

 

           14              Taxpayers' Association.  The Scranton

 

           15              Taxpayers's Association on the second of

 

           16              October had a nice interview with Lou

 

           17              Barletta and we also had a nice one on the

 

           18              16th of October with Congressman Kanjorski,

 

           19              an hour and a half of questioning and

 

           20              answers, and might I add, very

 

           21              professionally done.  I would like to have

 

           22              council, or I can do it right now, I would

 

           23              like to have ECTV replay those two segments

 

           24              a few more times because they are very

 

           25              informative to all the taxpayers and all of


 

 

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            1              the voters in the City of Scranton,

 

            2              Wilkes-Barre, and Hazelton areas.  We are

 

            3              talking about a congressional election, very

 

            4              important, and, like I said, both meetings

 

            5              are very informative, very professionally

 

            6              done and I would like to suggest that ECTV

 

            7              play those a few more times in the next two

 

            8              weeks so that the residents could have an

 

            9              opportunity to hear both of these and get it

 

           10              publicized and I would also like the

 

           11              Times-Tribune maybe to put a couple of

 

           12              things in the newspaper if ECTV does agree

 

           13              to do this so that more residents will have

 

           14              the opportunity to watch these two very

 

           15              important programs.

 

           16                      Again, I'm soliciting council's

 

           17              support, I hope you guys back me on this one

 

           18              and try to get this out because it's very,

 

           19              very important.

 

           20                      MS. GATELLI:  Mr. Jackowitz, I think

 

           21              we all agree and we'll have Kay send a

 

           22              letter to them and call them to do that at

 

           23              your request.

 

           24                      MR. JACKOWITZ: Okay, because I

 

           25              believe Mr. Dobson has the tapes and we can


 

 

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            1              get the tapes to them and we can get this on

 

            2              the air again.

 

            3                      MS. GATELLI: I think there is going

 

            4              to be a debate on, too, I saw that

 

            5              advertised.

 

            6                      MR. JACKOWITZ: Right, I did ask for

 

            7              it to be on WVIA or whatever it's called

 

            8              now.  Anyway, enough on that.  Toastmaster's

 

            9              International has 220,000 members in 90

 

           10              countries, thousands of corporations,

 

           11              community groups, universities, associations

 

           12              and government agencies now use the

 

           13              Toastmaster's training.  Toastmaster rule,

 

           14              the person at the podium is the speaker,

 

           15              everybody else are the listeners.  Council,

 

           16              can we at least try to implement this

 

           17              because there is nothing more embarrassing

 

           18              when you are watching a replay of the

 

           19              meeting and council members are talking over

 

           20              council members and they are talking over

 

           21              speakers and speakers are talking over

 

           22              council members, so if we can just follow

 

           23              this simple rule it works.  Anybody who

 

           24              knows anything about Toastmaster's knows it

 

           25              works.  The person at this podium is the


 

 

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            1              speaker and you let them speak until they

 

            2              are finished and then you can say whatever

 

            3              you want.  But, you know, don't interrupt.

 

            4              It's just makes it -- it's part of the

 

            5              carnival act atmosphere that everybody seems

 

            6              to talk about it.

 

            7                      Okay.  Now, going back to comparing

 

            8              the city government with the county

 

            9              government, the budget.  You know, the

 

           10              county slashed their budget down to

 

           11              $86.1 million which is going to be lower

 

           12              than the city budget.  I hope when the 2009

 

           13              budget comes before council, I hope that the

 

           14              city budget is lower than the county budget.

 

           15              We are a city, the county is much larger and

 

           16              has a larger population, and I understand

 

           17              that we have to provide services such as

 

           18              fire, police, garbage, but we pay $178 for

 

           19              garbage in addition to taxes and the city,

 

           20              the police department and the fire

 

           21              department have yet to have a contract and

 

           22              they have yet to receive any pay raise since

 

           23              2002.  So, it seems to me that we are

 

           24              actually saving money because a large

 

           25              portion of our city employees have not


 

 

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            1              gotten any raises.

 

            2                      So, again, when the budget comes

 

            3              it's 86.1 for the county, I believe, my

 

            4              personal belief is that the city budget

 

            5              should be lower and I hope it is.  Right now

 

            6              it's not.  Right now the city budget is

 

            7              higher, but when the 2009 budget comes, and

 

            8              we need to cut.  It's as simple as that.

 

            9              Everybody is cutting.  Everybody is cutting.

 

           10              We are giving certain people pay raises, but

 

           11              everybody else nationwide and worldwide for

 

           12              that matter is cutting.  Why can't Scranton

 

           13              cut.  Why?  I don't understand it.  We are

 

           14              giving certain people raises, we created 49

 

           15              new positions when everybody else is cutting

 

           16              and yet we scream poverty and we have to

 

           17              borrow money or we have to refinance money,

 

           18              whatever, I don't understand it.  I'm not

 

           19              the smartest person in the world, but I

 

           20              don't understand it.  We have to cut.  It's

 

           21              as simple as that.  So, I really hope

 

           22              council really takes a close look at this

 

           23              year.

 

           24                      I, too, would like to congratulate

 

           25              President McGoff for his run because it's


 

 

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            1              something I couldn't do.  I wouldn't even

 

            2              attempt it in my physical condition.  I like

 

            3              to eat too much.  But, anyway, again, this

 

            4              is going to be the third week in a row now

 

            5              that I'm going to ask this question and I

 

            6              have yet to receive an answer.  The question

 

            7              is, who is responsible for the City of

 

            8              Scranton being distressed for 16 years?  My

 

            9              answer is Mayor Doherty, Mayor Connors and

 

           10              every city council since then, including the

 

           11              Pennsylvania Governors, they are responsible

 

           12              for this city being distressed for 16 years.

 

           13              I would like to have council's answer to

 

           14              that.

 

           15                      And the second question is that I

 

           16              have been waiting for for three weeks now,

 

           17              when will the wage tax be reduced from 3.4?

 

           18              The mayor promised us back in 2002 that he

 

           19              was going to reduce 1/10th of a percent each

 

           20              year, he has yet to have reduced it.  When

 

           21              is it going to be reduced?  We have the

 

           22              third highest in the state.  When that will

 

           23              be reduced?  Thank you.

 

           24                      MS. GATELLI:  Mrs. Schumacher.

 

           25                      MS. SCHUMACHER: Good evening.  Marie


 

 

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            1              Schumacher, resident and member of the

 

            2              Taxpayers' Association.  Yesterday members

 

            3              of the Taxpayers' Association were treated

 

            4              to an informative tour by city forester,

 

            5              Tony Santolli.  During the course of this

 

            6              tour we were able to see some of the very

 

            7              dangerous trees that should be removed to

 

            8              avoid potential damage to persons, property,

 

            9              and perhaps the city coffers.  Waiting for

 

           10              next year's budget invites danger.

 

           11              Mr. Santolli has been performing this

 

           12              service for seven years at no cost to the

 

           13              taxpayers.  In recognition of Mr. Santolli's

 

           14              volunteerism, I suggest council ask the

 

           15              mayor to provide enough of those UDAG

 

           16              miscellaneous funds so that the top ten

 

           17              dangerous trees may be removed as soon as

 

           18              bids can be received.

 

           19                      These are large, hollow sick trees

 

           20              with no support and one wind storm could

 

           21              cause a tragedy.  Mr. Santolli told us he

 

           22              has trouble sleeping on stormy nights.  So,

 

           23              please, let's get these dangerous trees down

 

           24              so Mr. Santolli is at least able to get a

 

           25              good night's sleep.  If you are skeptical of


 

 

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            1              the condition of these trees, I suggest you

 

            2              ask Mr. Santolli to conduct a tour for

 

            3              council so you may see these with your own

 

            4              eyes.

 

            5                      Mrs. Gatelli, are you still

 

            6              confident that we will have the city's 2007

 

            7              audit in a week?  You may answer that in

 

            8              motions because I have a lot tonight.

 

            9                      MS. GATELLI: In a week?

 

           10                      MS. SCHUMACHER:  Yeah, last week you

 

           11              said two weeks.

 

           12                      MS. GATELLI: I did?

 

           13                      MS. SCHUMACHER: Yeah, you did.  May

 

           14              I also --

 

           15                      MS. GATELLI: I don't think I said

 

           16              that.

 

           17                      MS. SCHUMACHER:  May I also inquire

 

           18              as to the status of the signed agreement

 

           19              with the Pisano brother who will being

 

           20              paying all costs associated with the changes

 

           21              they require or desire at the Moosic Street

 

           22              and Front Street traffic signal?

 

           23                      Now, a few comments on the ECTV

 

           24              caucus last week.  If the issue of

 

           25              hardwiring 933 Prescott Avenue to city hall


 

 

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            1              or Duryea or wherever is not to be resolved

 

            2              until the franchise agreement renewal that

 

            3              means there will no live city council

 

            4              broadcasts until sometime in 2010 as the

 

            5              current agreement doesn't expire until

 

            6              December 31, 2009.  So, if local broadcasts

 

            7              are desired before sometime in 2010, I urge

 

            8              you to lobby ECTV to accept the offer

 

            9              proposed last week by a member of Scranton

 

           10              Today.

 

           11                      Also, Mr. Darcy stated ECTV may

 

           12              alter it's request for 25 percent of the

 

           13              franchise fee.  I ask you to clarify the

 

           14              percent ECTV has in mind a I rather suspect

 

           15              they will be seeking a higher percentage.  I

 

           16              base this suspicion and the fact that some

 

           17              eight months after being awarded the

 

           18              operation of Channel 61 and 62 they have not

 

           19              even filed a request for IRS tax exemption.

 

           20              That means to me they are expecting to live

 

           21              off the taxpayers forever.

 

           22                      I also have a problem with using

 

           23              taxpayers' money to make physical

 

           24              investments in a building where there is

 

           25              less than one year left on the lease.  Are


 

 

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            1              you, Council, prepared to renovate another

 

            2              building if there is location change?

 

            3                      For the record, I find it scary that

 

            4              the citizens PEG operator answers to the

 

            5              mayor.  This control of the media does not

 

            6              bode well for a free society.

 

            7                      As to ESBA, the East Scranton

 

            8              Business Association, I am still shocked

 

            9              that they would not have used the $10,000

 

           10              grant they received to complete the Common's

 

           11              Project that they started five years ago,

 

           12              still waiting to be finished yet they have

 

           13              $10,000 to give to ECTV, it makes no sense.

 

           14                   Next, I believe it is time for council

 

           15              to follow in the footsteps of the Federal

 

           16              Ways and Means Committee.  According to "Tax

 

           17              Exempt World" there are 640 tax exempt/

 

           18              nonprofit organizations in the City of

 

           19              Scranton.  The organizations, or at least

 

           20              those holding property tax real estate,

 

           21              should be surveyed for an account of their

 

           22              charitable activities as a percent of their

 

           23              revenues.  If this percent is minimal then

 

           24              consideration should be given to restore

 

           25              property taxes.  Take the owner of the 933


 

 

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            1              Prescott Avenue where ECTV is headquartered,

 

            2              the Lackawanna Institute, the private

 

            3              foundation of Paul Mansour.  This Institute

 

            4              has spent close to $1 million acquiring over

 

            5              a dozen properties.  2008 property taxes

 

            6              lost on these three properties, on these

 

            7              properties to the city, were almost $15,000,

 

            8              may I finish?

 

            9                      MS. GATELLI: Um-hum.

 

           10                      MS. SCHUMACHER: Granted, many of

 

           11              these properties have been acquired in

 

           12              recent years, but when you consider

 

           13              Lackawanna Institute was incorporated in

 

           14              1997 one can't help but wonder whether their

 

           15              charitable contributions is but a pittance

 

           16              of this lost roughly $100,000 revenue of

 

           17              property taxes.

 

           18                      And, finally, I notice the

 

           19              controller's report reports an

 

           20              $11,359,098.15 year-to-date surplus at the

 

           21              end of the September despite unrealized

 

           22              year-to-date revenues of $25,219,120.82.

 

           23              And, finally, I hope to hear Mrs. Fanucci

 

           24              respond to the Fratelli real estate purchase

 

           25              later in motions.  Thank you very much.


 

 

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            1                      MS. GATELLI: Thank you.  Anyone

 

            2              else?

 

            3                      MS. HUMPHRIES: Praise be Jesus, Mary

 

            4              and Joseph and all of you people.  I had

 

            5              intentions in seeing the Holy Father a few

 

            6              months ago and in the process me and my

 

            7              daughter got lost in New York City, and she

 

            8              turned around and went home and I had to a

 

            9              statue that would be going to the United

 

           10              Nations to where Ground Zero was and St.

 

           11              Patrick's Church.  What transpired, we were

 

           12              there a few days before my daughter turned

 

           13              around and went home thinking that I had my

 

           14              insulin on me and I had my telephone books

 

           15              for my contacts, because I did live in New

 

           16              York City for seven years.

 

           17                      So, the bottom line is I ended up in

 

           18              a homeless shelter, because it was getting

 

           19              very cold and I got to see what was

 

           20              transpiring there.  From there I had asked

 

           21              them I need medical treatment because I was

 

           22              without insulin, I slept in a chair for

 

           23              three days with no elevation in my feet,

 

           24              which they had chairs.  The people didn't

 

           25              have the proper towels or anything for them


 

 

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            1              and it was a very sad situation.

 

            2                      When they called the ambulance, the

 

            3              ambulance refused to take me to the special

 

            4              surgery hospital and they took me to

 

            5              Bellevue Hospital.  They kept me against my

 

            6              will for 11 days and in the process they

 

            7              would not allow me to call out.  A Muslim

 

            8              woman that was a nurse seen what was going

 

            9              on, she got me money, I called numerous

 

           10              people, a Cardinal even said to me that he

 

           11              didn't have any jurisdiction over there, and

 

           12              I contacted my family and I got a lawyer and

 

           13              they have the Supreme Court right there.

 

           14                      I won my case in the Supreme Court,

 

           15              they actually cried their eyes out when they

 

           16              heard what I had to tell them prior to

 

           17              September 11 and on multiple attacks,

 

           18              betterments and abuses, being put in

 

           19              institutions, used and abused, raped in

 

           20              these institutions that they refused to give

 

           21              me records and documents.

 

           22                      I am gifted by God and I know people

 

           23              don't have belief and lost their faith.  I'm

 

           24              the one who interceded to see that all of

 

           25              the people were out of the buildings through


 

 

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            1              numerous people between church officials and

 

            2              government officials.

 

            3                      Memorial Day weekend, which I told

 

            4              everybody that they didn't want to go there

 

            5              but I have to go there, I gave my documents

 

            6              to Mr. West, not knowing he was an Attorney

 

            7              General and a policeman, not that I cared.

 

            8              He accepted all of the documents to send

 

            9              them to the proper places and to see that

 

           10              everybody was out of the buildings because I

 

           11              felt we couldn't salvage the buildings for

 

           12              the people.

 

           13                      Since then I have been violently

 

           14              raped and attacked, homed pillaged up until

 

           15              two months ago.  The police haven't acted.

 

           16              A police woman and police man said they are

 

           17              in fear of their life and losing their job,

 

           18              so this is where it's at this point and I

 

           19              want everybody to know.

 

           20                      In a few weeks I'm going to be going

 

           21              to the United States Nations.  What I did

 

           22              was I called Legal Aid to help me, they

 

           23              refused, they got $5 million and Pro Bono

 

           24              got $5 million and they refused.  I have a

 

           25              grandchild that's missing four years since


 

 

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            1              birth, they didn't take me serious.

 

            2                      They took me out of church, they

 

            3              fingerprinted me, they took me like a common

 

            4              criminal on numerous occasions to the police

 

            5              station and then released me.  This isn't

 

            6              the proper way to go.  I never stole, I

 

            7              never prostituted.  I never hurt anybody and

 

            8              I never terrorized anybody.

 

            9                      This corruption in the City of

 

           10              Scranton has to stop.  I went through our

 

           11              inspector, he is aware of it.  I went to

 

           12              Senator Clinton, she i aware of it.  I went

 

           13              to Senator Casey, he is aware of it.  I

 

           14              wrote a letter to President Bush first with

 

           15              that x-ray and the blessed Mother and then I

 

           16              felt that I had a conversation, then I wrote

 

           17              a chronology from my childhood until the

 

           18              present, the beats, the betterments, the

 

           19              abuse, what high society people know that I

 

           20              in high court, in courts and everything what

 

           21              they have done to me.

 

           22                      This isn't delusional, this isn't

 

           23              psychotic and this isn't a pretend story.

 

           24              This is my story.  I want justice and if I

 

           25              don't get the justice here I will go to the


 

 

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            1              United Nations.  I have documents, I have

 

            2              signatures from everybody up to President

 

            3              Bush.  I'll tell you who to vote for, I

 

            4              think, the Pope or Bishop Martino at this

 

            5              point.

 

            6                      MS. GATELLI: Thank you.

 

            7                      MS. HUMPHRIES: God Bless you.

 

            8                      MS. GATELLI: Anyone else?

 

            9                      MS. HUMPHRIES:  And the mathematical

 

           10              numbers had to do with I found them in here,

 

           11              the H-bomb, I was not aware of it.

 

           12                      MS. GATELLI:  Thank you.

 

           13                      MR. DAVIS: Salaam aleikum.  I come

 

           14              before you this evening after worshipping

 

           15              with the people at the Shilo Baptist Church

 

           16              last Sunday.  They had an African program

 

           17              where all of the woman were dressed in

 

           18              African garb, and it made me -- it made me

 

           19              try to remember those things that had

 

           20              happened in the years past and I have seen

 

           21              it before, I have seen it many times before,

 

           22              and their pride and what they had on, the

 

           23              pride in how they sang, but something that

 

           24              made our hearts glad and gave us something

 

           25              to be proud of our past.


 

 

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            1                      In 1964 we were given a right to

 

            2              vote in Scranton, Pennsylvania, you know,

 

            3              and in North Carolina it was 1918, I

 

            4              believe, or 1922 I think it was, but in

 

            5              Scranton it was 1964.  We have spent years

 

            6              and years and years voting for people who we

 

            7              did not know and didn't care to know us.

 

            8              Just as I sit here before you as

 

            9              representatives of the city, there are very

 

           10              few people in Scranton who has actually been

 

           11              to the black community or know a black

 

           12              community existing or they give -- they come

 

           13              there on special occasions which is all

 

           14              right, we don't mind, we don't want anything

 

           15              from you, but we want you to understand that

 

           16              there are needs in that area.  We have a

 

           17              playground department there that the school

 

           18              has locked up.  That whole Adam's Avenue

 

           19              Gibson Street complex has been locked up

 

           20              with chains by the school board.  Why?

 

           21              Because they say they are going to sell it.

 

           22                   Meanwhile, the kids in the community

 

           23              have no where to play.  The kids at the high

 

           24              school or at the Junior High have no where

 

           25              to play.  They have tennis courts that we


 

 

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            1              fought and built, they refused to put tennis

 

            2              nets up there so the kids can use.  It's

 

            3              just unusual at the present time and I wish

 

            4              to -- I wish there was some way that --

 

            5              where these complaint could reach the school

 

            6              board because I think it's unfair, it's

 

            7              unjust and I think that it's time that we do

 

            8              something about it that looks like

 

            9              democracy, that looks like an equal

 

           10              engagement of things for all people.

 

           11                      What I see here is a miscarriage of

 

           12              justice and I don't see anybody stepping

 

           13              forth to correct it.  I don't even see them

 

           14              mentioning it, that's the part that gets me.

 

           15              I thought it was horrendous, but then,

 

           16              again, I live there, I knew it, I knew the

 

           17              area.  I knew of it and I lived there for a

 

           18              long time, therefore, I knew what was there.

 

           19                   Our children are not being treated

 

           20              properly.  I cannot say that they are being

 

           21              taught properly either, I cannot say that

 

           22              the whole -- the whole schematic of what are

 

           23              you going to do when these kids graduate,

 

           24              what are you going to do when these kids

 

           25              don't graduate, where are you going to put


 

 

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            1              them at?  Are those the ones that go to

 

            2              jail?  I'm wondering and it's seems as

 

            3              though we have a method of those who can't

 

            4              make it in high school end up in jail.  I

 

            5              want you to do something about that.

 

            6                      MS. GATELLI: Thank you, Mr. Davis.

 

            7              Is there anyone else?  Mr. Ancherani?

 

            8                      MR. ANCHERANI: Good evening.  Nelson

 

            9              Ancherani.  Two weeks ago when I spoke about

 

           10              $600 million taken in by the city a few

 

           11              people were asking me what I meant, so I

 

           12              want to clear this up.  The week prior when

 

           13              Mrs. Gatelli was commenting on how people

 

           14              come to council, this Scranton City Council,

 

           15              and complain about the taxes.  She

 

           16              referenced how Scranton taxes are the lowest

 

           17              in this county.  She also questioned why

 

           18              speakers don't go to the county

 

           19              commissioner's meetings and the Scranton

 

           20              School District meetings and complain.  I

 

           21              believe the Taxpayers' Association is doing

 

           22              that, attending the other meetings.  Anyway,

 

           23              as I said before, I pick my fights.  I have

 

           24              been attending city council meetings since

 

           25              2002 during the recovery referendum


 

 

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            1              campaign.  Since then, since before then I

 

            2              listened to the council meetings.  The

 

            3              recovery referendum campaign, I'm sorry,

 

            4              city business since I am a city employee

 

            5              affects me principally.  County business

 

            6              doesn't affect me principally except in the

 

            7              case of tax increases and the 48 percent tax

 

            8              increase was the major concern and you can

 

            9              see how the county voters addressed and

 

           10              settled that problem.  They got off their

 

           11              tails and went to the voting booth and

 

           12              showed their disapproval.  They deselected

 

           13              the parties who raised their taxes, unlike

 

           14              Scranton voters who reelected people who

 

           15              increased their taxes 25 percent.  A good

 

           16              example is Mr. McGoff.

 

           17                      And, yes, the Scranton School

 

           18              District does effect me, but again, not

 

           19              principally.  Unlike everybody else, tax

 

           20              increases are not my favorite items, but

 

           21              then again, I pick my fights.  I commend the

 

           22              Taxpayers' Association for the time and

 

           23              effort they put forward when they oppose tax

 

           24              increases and wasteful spending.  I thank

 

           25              them for being the watch persons of this


 

 

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            1              city, county and school district.  Thanks to

 

            2              their dedications we as taxpayers will be

 

            3              better informed.  Little by little and step

 

            4              by step the citizens of this county and city

 

            5              are becoming more knowledgeable about city

 

            6              and county business that directly affects

 

            7              them.  Stay the course, Taxpayers'

 

            8              Association.

 

            9                      Now, back to the 600 million.

 

           10              That's revenue.  It's again revenue that the

 

           11              city will have taken in up to the end of

 

           12              2008.  The $600 million is the total of the

 

           13              Scranton City budgets from 2002 through

 

           14              2008, the last seven years of this current

 

           15              city administration.  It is also the total

 

           16              with all of the loans taken out by the city

 

           17              between 2002 and 2008, 600 million in

 

           18              revenues and you city council, well, almost

 

           19              all of the city council approved a loan for

 

           20              6.1 million two weeks ago I believe.

 

           21              According to some a default of the loan

 

           22              would have been devastating, but I ask again

 

           23              how could we have a 5.5 million loan that

 

           24              was going to be defaulted on when we took in

 

           25              600 million in revenue?  100 million over


 

 

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            1              half a billion dollars.

 

            2                      November 15 is fast approaching and

 

            3              the city budget will be due.  My prediction

 

            4              for the 2009 budget is that it will be a

 

            5              record budget in the 90 million mark.  I

 

            6              also predict another 25 percent tax increase

 

            7              in multiple million dollar loan or loans.  I

 

            8              predict within 2009 budgets the loans and

 

            9              the tax increase along with the previous

 

           10              $600 million we will be close to the three

 

           11              quarter billion or 750 million mark on

 

           12              revenues.  Don't forget PEL and some city

 

           13              past and present city officials predicted

 

           14              dire financial straights for the city.

 

           15              Don't forget deficits are predicted even

 

           16              though we will be spending all of the money

 

           17              taken in by the end of next year,

 

           18              approximately three-quarters of a billion

 

           19              dollars and still be looking at a deficit.

 

           20                   The county is preparing their budget

 

           21              for 2009, projected at 86.1 million.  Get

 

           22              this, population of Lackawanna County

 

           23              210,000, population of Scranton 72,000,

 

           24              County 2009 budget 86.1 million if that

 

           25              passes, city budget -- can I finish this,


 

 

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            1              I'm almost finished.  City budget 2009, 90

 

            2              million.  If you divide those millions by

 

            3              the population or into the population you

 

            4              get $410 per person for the county.  For the

 

            5              city you get $1,250 per person.  If we had

 

            6              $410 per person divided into -- or we would

 

            7              have, let's see, 410 multiplied by the

 

            8              72,000 we would have a budget of $29,500, a

 

            9              savings of 60,500,000.  Thank you.

 

           10                      MS. GATELLI: Thank you.

 

           11                      MS. KRAKE: Good evening, Council,

 

           12              Nancy Krake.  I would like to start off by

 

           13              saying that I am a taxpayer in the City of

 

           14              Scranton as are all of council people and my

 

           15              tax bill is comprised of the city, the

 

           16              school district, Lackawanna County and

 

           17              library, but of those four entities only the

 

           18              City of Scranton is distressed, nobody else,

 

           19              and it's the same people that are paying the

 

           20              taxes to all of those four entities.  Does

 

           21              not make any sense that only one part can be

 

           22              distressed, and to go further on that, our

 

           23              teachers successfully negotiated with the

 

           24              school district a fair contract and that

 

           25              would have benefited Mrs. Evans and Mrs.


 

 

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            1              Gatelli.  I think they would agree, I know

 

            2              most of the membership voted for that.  It

 

            3              was very fair with raises and health care

 

            4              and it was brought to an equitable

 

            5              conclusion.  How can this contract that is

 

            6              paid for by the same taxpayers that pay my

 

            7              salary and the administration salary who, by

 

            8              the way, had received millions in raises and

 

            9              also the fire and police who have received

 

           10              zero in raises, so it seems to me the only

 

           11              people distressed in Lackawanna County and

 

           12              the City of Scranton are the fire and

 

           13              police.  Clerks have had two contracts, DPW

 

           14              has had two contracts, our teachers have,

 

           15              everybody else in Lackawanna County, but

 

           16              fire and police.  This is absolutely

 

           17              outrageous.  It's immoral, it's unethical

 

           18              and if I were a council member I would be

 

           19              beating down the doors of Governor Ed

 

           20              Rendell whose decision it is ultimately to

 

           21              release us from this distressed status which

 

           22              is what the mayor is hiding behind to not

 

           23              give a contract to fire and police.  Thank

 

           24              you.

 

           25                      MS. GARVEY: Move onto 5-A, motions.


 

 

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            1                      MS. EVANS: Good evening.  At last

 

            2              week's council meeting Mr. Quinn, president

 

            3              of the Scranton/Lackawanna Taxpayers'

 

            4              Association spoke about the urgent problems

 

            5              our local food pantries are experiencing due

 

            6              to the current financial crisis suffered by

 

            7              countless local residents.  A letter was

 

            8              sent to Mr. Mike Hanley, executive director

 

            9              of United States Neighborhood Centers asking

 

           10              him to look into the possibility of

 

           11              arranging a meeting among groups or

 

           12              organizations to determine what can be done.

 

           13              However, Mr. Quinn recognizes the immediate

 

           14              need for assistance as well as for a

 

           15              long-range plan to assist in feeding the

 

           16              needy throughout the forthcoming winter

 

           17              months.

 

           18                      Therefore, Mr. Quinn has asked that

 

           19              anyone interested in donating nonperishable

 

           20              food items contact him at 347-8813.  The

 

           21              Lackawanna County Taxpayers' Association

 

           22              will pick up food and monetary donations at

 

           23              homes and businesses.

 

           24                      In addition, I contacted the

 

           25              president of the Scranton International


 

 

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            1              Association of firefighters, Dave Schreiber,

 

            2              the Fraternal Order of Police, Bob Martin,

 

            3              and Clerical and Central Labor Unions

 

            4              President, Nancy Krake.  All have very

 

            5              generously pledged the support of their

 

            6              unions for our food drive.  I am asking

 

            7              tonight that all of the employees of city

 

            8              hall, OECD, the Scranton Tax Office as well

 

            9              as the fire and police departments combine

 

           10              in a joint effort to donate canned goods and

 

           11              other nonperishable food items at their

 

           12              offices, fire stations and police

 

           13              headquarters.  I hope that each city

 

           14              employee, including city council and it's

 

           15              office, will contribute just one or two food

 

           16              items to feed our Scranton neighbors who are

 

           17              in desperate need of assistance.  A box for

 

           18              collected food items will be placed in each

 

           19              office this week and volunteers from the

 

           20              Taxpayers' Association will pick up and

 

           21              deliver these items to food pantries on

 

           22              October 30th and 31st.

 

           23                      Thankfully, many local organizations

 

           24              remember the needy on holidays, but people

 

           25              must feed their families every day, not only


 

 

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            1              on Thanksgiving and Christmas.  We can make

 

            2              a difference together in the next two weeks

 

            3              and open our hearts to help others as

 

            4              difficult as we may feel our situations are.

 

            5              There are always other families and senior

 

            6              citizens who are suffering far greater.  A

 

            7              donation of so little will mean so much to

 

            8              so many of Scranton's poor.

 

            9                      The drive actually began maybe

 

           10              prematurely today and I would say that at

 

           11              this point 25 cases of canned goods have

 

           12              been collected and were generously donated

 

           13              by Riccardo's market and Castaldi's market

 

           14              in Minooka and three businesses within the

 

           15              city made monetary contributions this

 

           16              afternoon for the purchase of canned goods,

 

           17              and I thank all of them for their

 

           18              generosity.

 

           19                      In order to provide for the needs of

 

           20              our Scranton food pantries and our poor

 

           21              during the upcoming winter months, I'd like

 

           22              to see the mayor use UDAG funds to

 

           23              contribute towards the purchase of food

 

           24              items for United Neighborhood Centers food

 

           25              pantries.  Therefore, I move that city


 

 

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            1              council send a letter to Mayor Doherty

 

            2              requesting that a UDAG grant be given to the

 

            3              UNC Food pantries for the purchase of food,

 

            4              the amount of the grant to be determined by

 

            5              the mayor.

 

            6                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Is that a motion?

 

            7                      MS. EVANS: Um-hum.

 

            8                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.

 

            9                      MS. GATELLI: On the question?  All

 

           10              in favor?

 

           11                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.

 

           12                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.

 

           13                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.

 

           14                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.

 

           15                      MS. EVANS: Thank you.  In addition,

 

           16              I would like to ask the county commissioners

 

           17              to allocate the Community Service Block

 

           18              Grant funds for the purchase of

 

           19              nonperishable food items for both UNC food

 

           20              pantries and other pantries in need

 

           21              throughout the county.  Therefore, I move

 

           22              that Scranton City Council send a letter to

 

           23              the Lackawanna Commissioners respectfully

 

           24              requesting that they consider allocating

 

           25              Community Service Block Grant funds for the


 

 

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            1              purchase of nonperishable and food items for

 

            2              both UNC food pantries and other pantries in

 

            3              need throughout the county, the amount to be

 

            4              determined by the commissioners.

 

            5                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.

 

            6                      MS. GATELLI: On the question?  All

 

            7              in favor?

 

            8                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.

 

            9                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.

 

           10                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.

 

           11                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.

 

           12                      MS. EVANS: Thank you.  Now, I just

 

           13              wanted to first respond to questions that

 

           14              were posed a bit earlier by a speaker

 

           15              regarding the wage tax and I tried to keep

 

           16              the mayor's promise last December, the wage

 

           17              tax could have been reduced in 2008 if my

 

           18              proposed budget had been passed.  Now I

 

           19              could suggest that perhaps a portion of the

 

           20              12.2 million dollars plus interest that sits

 

           21              in the Scranton Tax Office could be used to

 

           22              lower the wage tax or certainly could be

 

           23              used to repay the recent $6.1 million

 

           24              borrowing to prevent years of future

 

           25              interest payments, but ultimately it appears


 

 

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            1              the mayor and a majority of city council can

 

            2              lower a wage tax if it is financially

 

            3              feasible, it has been in the last year or

 

            4              two, it certainly could have been possible I

 

            5              believe in the beginning of this year

 

            6              administration, yet, for their own reasons

 

            7              it has not happened.  Their priorities in

 

            8              terms of money in, money out are a very

 

            9              different from the priorities of many of our

 

           10              working families.

 

           11                      In addition, someone else tonight

 

           12              brought up the issue of the independent

 

           13              audit of city council and we did receive in

 

           14              our office today copies of two letters from

 

           15              Robert Rossi and Company CPA to NCC and to

 

           16              the Scranton Single Tax Office.  Their

 

           17              obviously would be quite a number of items

 

           18              of information that Robert Rossi and Company

 

           19              are requesting from both entities before the

 

           20              2007 audit can be successfully completed,

 

           21              and I know the delay is surprising even to

 

           22              me who has seen audits carry on into

 

           23              September when that should not have been the

 

           24              case, but evidently we appear to be looking

 

           25              at November at the earliest, and in my


 

 

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            1              opinion it makes it very difficult then to

 

            2              prepare a proposed budget for 2009 on the

 

            3              part of this administration when they don't

 

            4              even have a firm handle on monies that have

 

            5              been spent in the recent past.

 

            6                      Also, council received a letter from

 

            7              Attorney Penetar, who is the solicitor of

 

            8              the zoning board, and Attorney Minora, our

 

            9              council solicitor, had sought his advice

 

           10              regarding the rezoning of the area of Daron

 

           11              Northeast.  According to Attorney Penetar,

 

           12              it does not appear possible that a rezoning

 

           13              of this area could be performed.  He cites

 

           14              legal cases, one dealing with spot zoning

 

           15              and the other dealing with a de facto

 

           16              condemnation.  His bottom line, if I may

 

           17              quote his closing, "Therefore, in my opinion

 

           18              the rezoning of this land could potentially

 

           19              cost the City of Scranton a lot of money

 

           20              under either the spot zoning theory or the

 

           21              Federal Constitution Fifth Amendment Takings

 

           22              Clause.  I hope this answers your inquiry."

 

           23                      Well, in a sense, yes, it does

 

           24              answer my inquiry, however, I would like

 

           25              another letter to Attorney Minora -- or not


 

 

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            1              Attorney Minora, my goodness, excuse me, to

 

            2              Attorney Penetar, and I'm asking that he

 

            3              please advise what measures can be taken to

 

            4              protect the homeowners and residents of

 

            5              Dickson Avenue and Delaware Street from the

 

            6              toxic particles and noise levels dispensed

 

            7              from the current as well as a potential

 

            8              future buyer of the Daron Northeast

 

            9              property.

 

           10                      I understand what he is saying, I

 

           11              certainly consider his cautions against

 

           12              potential lawsuits, but, on the other hand,

 

           13              I refuse to believe, I will not believe that

 

           14              there is nothing that can be done to help

 

           15              the residents and homeowners, and taxpayers

 

           16              of lower Greenridge who suffered for years,

 

           17              and when we have a report from the

 

           18              Department of Environmental Protection

 

           19              advising the city to adjust that zoning at

 

           20              such time as Daron Northeast would leave and

 

           21              relocate.

 

           22                      Again, I will not believe that

 

           23              nothing can be done and that those

 

           24              individuals are simply to suffer through the

 

           25              daily breathing of toxic material until


 

 

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            1              perhaps they expire.

 

            2                      Now, I also have a few other

 

            3              requests.  There are two from East Mountain.

 

            4              The edges of East Mountain Road are covered

 

            5              in huge piles of leaves, particularly, near

 

            6              the drainage areas.  Please request that the

 

            7              DPW clear the leaves to provide better water

 

            8              flow.

 

            9                      Also, traveling past the firehouse

 

           10              and turning right toward Mountain Lake there

 

           11              is a "No Parking" sign on the right side of

 

           12              the road.  Residents of East Mountain report

 

           13              there are cars parked frequently despite the

 

           14              sign causing difficulty for drivers when

 

           15              turning.  Please report this to the police

 

           16              chief.

 

           17                      Please paint lines on Olive Street

 

           18              before the intersection of Olive and

 

           19              Capouse.  Also, remove graffiti from a large

 

           20              utility box on Olive Street located near the

 

           21              Rinaldi Law Office.

 

           22                      I also wanted to note that city

 

           23              council has not received any PEL meeting

 

           24              summaries since the meeting of September 8,

 

           25              2008.  Kay, please request the minutes of


 

 

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            1              meetings from September 15th through

 

            2              October 20, 2008, by October 27, 2008.

 

            3                      And although, council received a

 

            4              response from Ms. Aebli concerning one city

 

            5              business loan, which incidentally is

 

            6              up-to-date, she did not include an updated

 

            7              list of delinquencies on all loans granted

 

            8              to businesses though OECD.  Kay, can you

 

            9              call Ms. Aebli, please, and ask her to

 

           10              forward that response.

 

           11                      And, finally, Attorney Minora, will

 

           12              you have the legislation prepared for the

 

           13              UDAG will allocations for next week's

 

           14              meeting?

 

           15                      MR. MINORA:  I already have the

 

           16              rough draft to Kay, I just don't have the

 

           17              number yet.  I'm still awaiting to determine

 

           18              what --

 

           19                      MS. EVANS: I understand where you

 

           20              are at on it.

 

           21                      MR. MINORA: What I have to do is

 

           22              done.  Now, I have to just kind of wait and

 

           23              see what everybody agrees to.

 

           24                      MS. EVANS:  Again, I know we

 

           25              discussed this last week and my concern is


 

 

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            1              that it doesn't get placed on a back burner

 

            2              because the proposed 2009 budget will be

 

            3              forthcoming in say about three weeks, and so

 

            4              do my colleagues have a decision on what you

 

            5              would like plugged into that legislation so

 

            6              that we can could get it moving?

 

            7                      MS. GATELLI:  I thought we said ten.

 

            8                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  I though we were

 

            9              supposed to discuss it, but then Mr. McGoff

 

           10              isn't here tonight, I think that was on of

 

           11              interest, so we didn't have any discussion.

 

           12                      MS. GATELLI: And no one comes to

 

           13              caucus.  I'd like to say that, too.  We sat

 

           14              there until 25 after.  So I think that

 

           15              everybody needs to start coming at 6:00

 

           16              because a lot of these things can't be

 

           17              discussed if people aren't present.  Mrs.

 

           18              Krake, you with there.  Jeremy Burton was

 

           19              there, we weren't -- everybody wasn't there.

 

           20              We didn't even have three to vote on

 

           21              anything, so I would please ask that

 

           22              everyone please come at 6:00 so that we

 

           23              don't have to discuss these things out here,

 

           24              we can discuss them in there and come to a

 

           25              conclusion.  I mean, maybe en is too much or


 

 

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            1              not enough, you know?

 

            2                      MS. EVANS: Well, I don't want to go

 

            3              into it again, but last week I stated that I

 

            4              believe all of the UDAG monies should come

 

            5              for a vote and I gave my reasoning behind

 

            6              that.  I think it's more important now than

 

            7              ever.

 

            8                      MS. GATELLI:  Why don't we have it

 

            9              ready for next week and we'll say the number

 

           10              at the caucus and we'll write the number in.

 

           11              Is that acceptable, Amil, to write it in.

 

           12                      MS. EVANS: Well, then it really

 

           13              isn't part of an agenda as a completed piece

 

           14              of legislation; correct?

 

           15                      MR. MINORA: It can be.

 

           16                      MS. GATELLI:  I would say ten right

 

           17              now.

 

           18                      MR. COURTRIGHT: My concern is this,

 

           19              not as much as dollar amount is that I think

 

           20              you mentioned it last week, say we make it

 

           21              $1,000, what's to prevent it from being

 

           22              $1,000 ten times, 15 times, so if we are

 

           23              going to do legislation and put in a dollar

 

           24              amount I think we need to put a dollar

 

           25              amount per organization or per project.


 

 

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            1              I think we got to be really careful how we

 

            2              do it because as we see the administration

 

            3              finds ways to get that money where they want

 

            4              to get that.  They got that ten grand to

 

            5              ECTV one way or the other and, you know, if

 

            6              we are going to make some kind of

 

            7              legislation let's make legislation that

 

            8              actually can work.

 

            9                      MS. EVANS: Yes.

 

           10                      MS. GATELLI: We can put that in

 

           11              there, per organization -- or put all

 

           12              amounts, I don't care, whatever pleases

 

           13              everybody is fine with me.

 

           14                      MS. EVANS: I would say all UDAG

 

           15              monies should come before council for a

 

           16              vote.

 

           17                      MR. COURTRIGHT: That's fine with me.

 

           18              I have no problem with that.

 

           19                      MS. EVANS: And I'll make that in a

 

           20              the form of a motion.

 

           21                      MS. GATELLI: I'll second that.

 

           22                      MS. EVANS: So we can get this going.

 

           23              And it's seconded.

 

           24                      MS. GATELLI: All in favor?  Aye.

 

           25                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


 

 

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            1                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.

 

            2                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.

 

            3                      MS. EVANS: So, Attorney Minora, will

 

            4              you have that on next week's agenda, please?

 

            5                      MR. MINORA: I will.  I will have it

 

            6              drawn up, yes.

 

            7                      MS. EVANS: Thank you.  And I believe

 

            8              that's it.  Thank you.

 

            9                      MS. GATELLI: The few things that I

 

           10              have are letters from the auditors.  They

 

           11              did receive reports from NCC and from the

 

           12              Single Tax Office and this is a follow-up.

 

           13              They have sent requests to Mrs. Vitali-Flynn

 

           14              and to Ms. Cobb at NCC requiring further

 

           15              information and we still do not have the

 

           16              Parking Authority audit, which is what I

 

           17              thought would be coming in two weeks,

 

           18              obviously, the audit is not going to

 

           19              completed in two weeks and if I said that I

 

           20              apologize, I didn't mean the audit would be

 

           21              done, I thought that the Parking Authority

 

           22              audit would be done in two weeks, apparently

 

           23              it's still not done, so, Mrs. Garvey, if you

 

           24              would call them tomorrow and tell them we

 

           25              are still anticipating that audit report to


 

 

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            1              conclude our independent audit.  And there

 

            2              seems to be quite a few questions for the

 

            3              Single Tax Office which we will also be

 

            4              waiting for, so that's the status of the

 

            5              audit.

 

            6                      As far as the Pisano Brothers, I

 

            7              would just like to clarify it's father and

 

            8              son.  I know that you keep saying the Pisano

 

            9              brothers, and I know Eddie would be very

 

           10              proud to be his son's brother, but he is his

 

           11              father and, yes, it is back in the law

 

           12              department, it was incorrect in the

 

           13              resolution to say that they would -- that

 

           14              the city would erect, maintain, etcetera, so

 

           15              it has been sent back to the law department

 

           16              to be redone and we have not received it as

 

           17              of yet.

 

           18                      As far as Junior City Council, I

 

           19              don't believe that anyone up here is against

 

           20              Junior City Council coming back.  We have

 

           21              asked at our respective schools and we have

 

           22              had no one interested.  It is not because

 

           23              council does not want it, there was just

 

           24              know one interested in it at the time so I

 

           25              would like to clarify that.


 

 

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            1                      Also, as far as going to political

 

            2              candidates arrivals in Scranton, yes, most

 

            3              of us up here work and it is not acceptable

 

            4              to leave a place of employment to go to a

 

            5              political announcement, rally, etcetera, if

 

            6              you do go you have to take personal time and

 

            7              also I believe that the city does provide

 

            8              the police protection and the security, some

 

            9              of the security when there is a candidate in

 

           10              town, so the city is participating whenever

 

           11              there is a political candidate in town and

 

           12              just because we are not there I don't think

 

           13              that has any relevance at all.  I don't

 

           14              think that we are sitting up here to go and

 

           15              welcome candidates to the city.  Personally,

 

           16              I have gone to some rallies and I only go to

 

           17              rallies of people that I believe in and

 

           18              people that I support and that is my right

 

           19              as a citizen.  You know, just because we are

 

           20              council members doesn't mean we don't have

 

           21              citizen's rights, also, and that is why I go

 

           22              to certain rallies and you may see me there

 

           23              or you may see a comment that I have made

 

           24              about a rally that I have attended and that

 

           25              is my right as a citizen.  I have the right


 

 

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            1              to vote and choose for who I feel is going

 

            2              to rule this country in the right fashion.

 

            3              So, I don't think anyone has the right to

 

            4              expect anyone up here to go to every person

 

            5              that comes here, political candidates.

 

            6                      I would just like to send one letter

 

            7              to Mike Wallace about Shade Demolition, it's

 

            8              located near the farmer's market, and it

 

            9              seems that it's becoming quite a junk yard,

 

           10              he's taking his debris there and leaving it

 

           11              on the property, so if you would have

 

           12              Mr. Wallace please check that out for me.

 

           13                      MS. EVANS: And that's been ongoing

 

           14              for years now.

 

           15                      MS. GATELLI:  Yes, I know, he put up

 

           16              a fence, but it's still not helping the

 

           17              situation with the dust, etcetera.  That's

 

           18              another situation of a residential zone

 

           19              abutting a light industrial.

 

           20                      And we also sent a letter about

 

           21              doing -- I also will mention the trees, you

 

           22              know I love trees, that's one of my

 

           23              favorites things is trees.  So, we'll send

 

           24              that letter.

 

           25                      And we also did send a request to


 

 

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            1              get a new zoning ordinance which will help

 

            2              at Daron, too, about the spot zoning, let's

 

            3              check the zoning everywhere, because there

 

            4              are several Darons throughout the city where

 

            5              industrial abuts a residential area and it

 

            6              interferes with the quality of life for

 

            7              those residents.

 

            8                      Mrs. Schumacher brought about the

 

            9              trees, yes, I usually talk to Mr. Santolli

 

           10              at least once a week.  There are many trees

 

           11              and there are several in the dog park that

 

           12              are in dangerous shape, so I would like a

 

           13              motion that we send the mayor a letter to

 

           14              appropriate some UDAG money, I know he is

 

           15              going to appropriate some money for

 

           16              Mr. Santolli in the next budget, but I think

 

           17              that we need to do some now to hire someone

 

           18              in addition to the DPW because they do some

 

           19              of it, but they can't do it all because they

 

           20              don't do it full-time, so if he could

 

           21              appropriate some money for Mr. Santolli to

 

           22              bid out some tree removal at the soonest

 

           23              possible date, and I make that in the form

 

           24              of a motion.

 

           25                      MS. FANUCCI: Second that.


 

 

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            1                      MS. GATELLI:  On the question?  All

 

            2              in favor?  Aye.

 

            3                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.

 

            4                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.

 

            5                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.

 

            6                      MS. GATELLI: The only other thing

 

            7              that I have, and I don't know it just struck

 

            8              me tonight while I was sitting here and I

 

            9              was looking around at all of the pictures on

 

           10              the wall and seeing how young and skinny my

 

           11              friend Jimmy Connors is in that picture, I'm

 

           12              going to tease him because I see him every

 

           13              morning, I looked and I noticed that Mayor

 

           14              McNulty still does not have a picture on the

 

           15              wall.  Now, I know that he did not want one

 

           16              at the time, but I think that we can find a

 

           17              picture of him somewhere, he doesn't have to

 

           18              pose for it, and I think it's incumbent upon

 

           19              us as a council to make sure that his

 

           20              picture sits up there like everyone else's.

 

           21                   And Mayor McNulty will find this quite

 

           22              amusing because I was one of us thorns in

 

           23              his side when he was the mayor, but I do

 

           24              think that he belongs up on the wall with

 

           25              everyone else and if he won't pose then


 

 

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            1              we'll find a picture, Mrs. Garvey, if you

 

            2              can and I know that we can ask the mayor,

 

            3              but I know that we have some money left in

 

            4              council's budget in several accounts and if

 

            5              the mayor won't pay for it I would like to

 

            6              make a motion that we as council will pay

 

            7              for it or someone will pay for it, but James

 

            8              Barrett belongs up there with the rest of

 

            9              them.

 

           10                      MS. EVANS: I don't remember how many

 

           11              years back this was, but actually that was

 

           12              already entertained, I suggested that

 

           13              probably my first year on council.

 

           14                      MR. COURTRIGHT: That's 2004?

 

           15                      MS. EVANS: 2004.

 

           16                      MS. GATELLI: Well, let's try it

 

           17              again.

 

           18                      MS. EVANS: And we knew that he did

 

           19              not want his photo, but we had planned on

 

           20              designing at least a plaque that would honor

 

           21              him, but for some reason or another that hit

 

           22              a snag and we weren't allowed to do it.

 

           23                      MS. GATELLI: Well, let's try it

 

           24              again.

 

           25                      MS. EVANS:  Oh, I'd love to try it


 

 

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            1              again.  You can actually get pictures on

 

            2              glass, too.

 

            3                      MS. GATELLI:  There is pictures of

 

            4              him, I know there is.

 

            5                      MR. COURTRIGHT: He might be willing

 

            6              to do it now.  Ask him.

 

            7                      MS. GATELLI: Well, I don't think he

 

            8              has any say in it, he was a mayor of this

 

            9              community and he belongs up there, so let's

 

           10              just try it anyway.  I mean, how much could

 

           11              it cost for a photo?

 

           12                      MS. EVANS: Right.  I don't think it

 

           13              was a matter of the money.

 

           14                      MS. GATELLI: No, I know, but he

 

           15              belongs up there.

 

           16                      MS. EVANS: There I think at the time

 

           17              was a disagreement among parties as to who

 

           18              controlled city council chambers, you know,

 

           19              if the mayor controlled council chambers and

 

           20              --

 

           21                      MS. GATELLI: I don't think the mayor

 

           22              would be adverse to putting his picture of

 

           23              there.

 

           24                      MS. EVANS: Well, hopefully not now.

 

           25                      MS. GATELLI: I don't think he would


 

 

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            1              be.

 

            2                      MS. EVANS: He was then.

 

            3                      MS. GATELLI: Well, I'll put the nail

 

            4              up there and let him come and stop us, so

 

            5              let's just try it.

 

            6                      MS. EVANS: Or maybe if you ask him.

 

            7                      MS. GATELLI: Maybe.

 

            8                      MS. EVANS: He likes you.

 

            9                      MS. GATELLI:  He loves me.  Go

 

           10              ahead.  Oh, I'm sorry.  All in favor?  Aye.

 

           11                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.

 

           12                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.

 

           13                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.

 

           14                      MS. GATELLI:  Opposed?  The ayes

 

           15              have it.

 

           16                      MS. FANUCCI: As if there is anything

 

           17              after you two.  I absolutely have nothing.

 

           18                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I have a couple.

 

           19              I'd like to give a "that a boy" to Officer

 

           20              Ray Kelly, I think most people know I teach

 

           21              at the police academy, I just think there

 

           22              are some things you can't learn through a

 

           23              book or even in a school that experience has

 

           24              to teach you.  And there is someone that was

 

           25              committing a robbery at I believe it was


 

 

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            1              Best Buy and the employees confronted him

 

            2              and they pulled a plate off, and it was

 

            3              thought that this individual would end up

 

            4              somewhere in the vicinity of West Scranton

 

            5              and police went there and that person wasn't

 

            6              there.  I don't know if it was instinct or

 

            7              what, but he kept watching the area and he

 

            8              apprehended this person that had the weapon

 

            9              with no incident, so I give him a "that a

 

           10              boy," maybe the Times will have him in that

 

           11              arrest of the week thing.

 

           12                      I tried to explain this before and I

 

           13              guess some people are very inpatient.  They

 

           14              are doing a lot of -- the gas company is

 

           15              doing a lot of digging over in West Scranton

 

           16              and they are replacing pipes and it's an

 

           17              inconvenience, I understand that, but all of

 

           18              those roads are going to be paved, nice

 

           19              paved roads, free of charge, it isn't going

 

           20              to the cost the city a dime, and I'm

 

           21              thinking that they are supposed to be done

 

           22              with all of them by Thanksgiving, so try to

 

           23              have a little patience because if the gas

 

           24              company didn't dig those streets up they

 

           25              weren't getting paved, so if you would be a


 

 

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            1              little more patient.  I know it's an

 

            2              inconvenience, I drive there myself, but it

 

            3              really is a good thing.

 

            4                      We send so many letters out I hate

 

            5              to ask Kay to send another one, but I would

 

            6              just like to see if this council would be

 

            7              agreeable to send a letter to ECTV and ask

 

            8              them, Mr. Darcy seems to be the man in

 

            9              charge, ask him are they going to take

 

           10              Scranton Today or Scranton Tomorrow up on

 

           11              their offer for live feed?  I can't for the

 

           12              life of me see why they wouldn't, I'm just

 

           13              curious.  I saw them talking in the hall

 

           14              afterwards so I didn't want to interrupt

 

           15              them, so maybe if we can ask Mr. Darcy, Kay,

 

           16              if they plan on taking up Scranton Today on

 

           17              their offer for the live feed.  It's like a

 

           18              $29,000 gift the way I look at it.  They are

 

           19              going to charge 29,000 grand for it we got

 

           20              it up the street for nothing, I don't know

 

           21              how refuse that.

 

           22                      MS. EVANS: Mr. Courtright, do you

 

           23              want to attach a deadline for a response?

 

           24                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Could they answer us

 

           25              by next week?  I don't think that would be


 

 

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            1              too -- he must know by now whether he wants

 

            2              to do it or not.  Unless there is something

 

            3              that I don't know about, but I would imagine

 

            4              he would know by now so if you can ask him

 

            5              and have it for next week's meeting.

 

            6                      MS. EVANS: And, Kay, if you don't

 

            7              mind, Mr. Courtright, if we could include in

 

            8              the letter the fact that the contract

 

            9              doesn't expire until December 31, 2009, and

 

           10              it appears that the public would be waiting

 

           11              over a year for live government meetings.

 

           12                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Absolutely.  I

 

           13              mean, I know we all knew that, I don't know

 

           14              if the public knew that or not, but that's

 

           15              fine.  Mr. Davis, you know, I don't want to

 

           16              answer you when you are up here talking

 

           17              because then I'm taking your time and you

 

           18              might get mad, but I don't know how else I

 

           19              can explain it to you, you keep bringing up

 

           20              about what you call the Tech Central area

 

           21              and it being roped off or chained off and

 

           22              you can't go there and you asked tonight if

 

           23              we can get a message to the school board.

 

           24              They have meetings just like we do, so you

 

           25              can go and talk to them in person and ask


 

 

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            1              them, but we have no control over that piece

 

            2              of land.  You and I have been going back and

 

            3              forth with this since I have been on this

 

            4              council, so we have no control over that

 

            5              piece of land.  I don't know when their

 

            6              meeting are, once a month?

 

            7                      MS. EVANS: I don't know.

 

            8                      MR. COURTRIGHT: But, I'll find a

 

            9              schedule for you, Mr. Davis, and maybe you

 

           10              can make it a point for to talk for them and

 

           11              get an answer from them.

 

           12                      Kay, I'm assuming, and I thought I

 

           13              saw an early letter go out to Ms. Aebli

 

           14              about that $10,000, it went out; right?

 

           15                      MS. GARVEY: Um-hum.

 

           16                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  We didn't get a

 

           17              response yet, did we?

 

           18                      MS. GARVEY: Right.

 

           19                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I'll wait until next

 

           20              week and then maybe I can ask you to, I hate

 

           21              to put deadlines on them, but we don't get

 

           22              any answers if we don't.  And in all

 

           23              fairness to Rossi and Rossi, you know, the

 

           24              audit is never done on time, but I don't

 

           25              think the blame can be laid on them if they


 

 

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            1              don't get the information, if people don't

 

            2              get the information how could they do the

 

            3              jobs, so I know their name is brought up

 

            4              quite a bit and so there is -- and I won't

 

            5              say who they are awaiting for so I don't get

 

            6              myself in trouble, they are waiting for a

 

            7              couple of different offices to send

 

            8              information to them, and I don't think we

 

            9              can expect them to perform an audit without

 

           10              the information and I don't think we could

 

           11              expect the mayor to be able to perform or

 

           12              prepare a good budget without an audit, so

 

           13              it's not Rossi and Rossi's fault, the

 

           14              agencies are not sending the information,

 

           15              and that's all I have.  Thank you.

 

           16                      MS. GATELLI:  Mrs. Garvey?

 

           17                      MS. GARVEY: FIFTH ORDER.  NO

 

           18              BUSINESS AT THIS TIME.  SIXTH ORDER.  NO

 

           19              BUSINESS AT THIS TIME.  SEVENTH ORDER.  7-A.

 

           20              FOR CONSIDERATION - BY THE COMMITTEE ON

 

           21              RULES FOR ADOPTION - RESOLUTION NO. 76, 2008

 

           22              - PURSUANT TO FILE OF COUNCIL 32, 2008 - AS

 

           23              AMENDED -AS AMENDED THE FOLLOWING PEOPLE

 

           24              HAVE BEEN APPOINTED BY CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS

 

           25              TO THE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE TO ACT AS AN


 

 

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            1              ADVISORY BOARD ONLY TO OVERSEE THE

 

            2              MANAGEMENT OF ALL PUBLIC ACCESS CHANNELS

 

            3              OPERATED BY ELECTRIC CITY TELEVISION

 

            4              ("ECTV") THROUGH THE COMCAST CABLE SYSTEM:

 

            5              JACK FINNERTY, MARK MONAHAN, TOM WELBY,

 

            6              JAMES COYLE AND KAREN BAZZARI.

 

            7                      We are going to need a temporary

 

            8              chair for the Committee on Rules.

 

            9                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I'll make a motion

 

           10              to name Mrs. Gatelli the temporary chair for

 

           11              the Committee on Rules.

 

           12                      MS. EVANS: Second.

 

           13                      MS. GATELLI:  All in favor?

 

           14                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.

 

           15                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.

 

           16                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.

 

           17                      MS. GATELLI: As Chair for the

 

           18              Committee on Rules, I recommend final

 

           19              passage of 7-A.

 

           20                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.

 

           21                      MS. GATELLI:  On the question?  Roll

 

           22              call.

 

           23                      MS. MAGNOTTA:  Mrs. Evans.

 

           24                      MS. EVANS:  Yes.

 

           25                      MS. MAGNOTTA:  Mrs. Gatelli.


 

 

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            1                      MS. GATELLI.  Yes.

 

            2                      MS. MAGNOTTA:  Ms. Fanucci.

 

            3                      MS. FANUCCI:  Yes.

 

            4                      MS. MAGNOTTA:  Mr. Courtright.

 

            5                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Yes.

 

            6                      MS. MAGNOTTA:  Mr. McGoff.

 

            7                      MS. GATELLI:  May I have a motion to

 

            8              adjourn?

 

            9                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  So moved.

 

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            4        I hereby certify that the proceedings and

 

            5   evidence are contained fully and accurately in the

 

            6   notes of testimony taken by me at the hearing of the

 

            7   above-captioned matter and that the foregoing is a true

 

            8   and correct transcript of the same to the best of my

 

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