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                           SCRANTON CITY COUNCIL MEETING

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            5                 Tuesday, October 14, 2008

 

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            7                        LOCATION:

 

            8                    Council Chambers

 

            9                 Scranton City Hall

 

           10              340 North Washington Avenue

 

           11                Scranton, Pennsylvania

 

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                    CATHENE S. NARDOZZI, RPR - OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER

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            1   CITY OF SCRANTON COUNCIL:

 

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                MR. ROBERT MCGOFF, PRESIDENT

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            5   MS. JUDY GATELLI, VICE-PRESIDENT

 

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                MS. JANET E. EVANS

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            8   MS. SHERRY FANUCCI (Not Present)

 

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                MR. WILLIAM COURTRIGHT

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           11   MS. KAY GARVEY, CITY CLERK

 

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                MR. NEIL COOLICAN, ASSISTANT CITY CLERK

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           14   MR. AMIL MINORA, SOLICITOR

 

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            1                      (Pledge of Allegiance recited and

 

            2              moment of reflection observed.)

 

            3                      MR. MCGOFF:  Roll call, please.

 

            4                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.

 

            5                      MS. EVANS:  Here.

 

            6                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Gatelli.

 

            7                      MS. GATELLI.  Here.

 

            8                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.  Mr.

 

            9              Courtright.

 

           10                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Here.

 

           11                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.

 

           12                      MR. MCGOFF:  Here.  Dispense with

 

           13              the reading of the minutes.  For the record,

 

           14              I would like to note that Mrs. Fanucci

 

           15              informed council that she would not be able

 

           16              to attend this evening's meeting.  Third

 

           17              order.

 

           18                      MS. GARVEY: THIRD ORDER.  3-A.

 

           19              INDEPENDENT AUDITORS REPORT OF THE SCRANTON

 

           20              SEWER AUTHORITY FOR THE YEAR ENDING MARCH

 

           21              31, 2008.

 

           22                      MR. MCGOFF:  Are there any comments?

 

           23              If not, received and filed.

 

           24                      MS. GARVEY:  That's it for Third

 

           25              Order.


 

 

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            1                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mrs. Garvey.

 

            2              Mr. Courtright, I know you wanted to say

 

            3              something.

 

            4                      MR. COURTRIGHT: If I may, former

 

            5              Councilman Dan Noone was in an automobile

 

            6              accident and is currently in the hospital,

 

            7              so if everybody could just keep him in your

 

            8              prayers that would be appreciated.  And I

 

            9              just have one announcement that was sent to

 

           10              all of us, I hope you don't mind me reading

 

           11              it.  Monday, October 20, 2008, 7:00 p.m. at

 

           12              Kilcoyne's Bar at 129 Main Avenue in West

 

           13              Scranton a benefit for Tony Masosky who is

 

           14              diagnosed with large B-cell lymphoma.  Tony

 

           15              is married to Christine Stulgis Masosky and

 

           16              they have a teenage son named Allen, and so

 

           17              the fundraiser again is on the 20th, it's a

 

           18              Monday evening at 7:00 and guests bartenders

 

           19              will be Calina McNichols, Tom Welby and

 

           20              myself, and that's all.  Thank you.

 

           21                      MS. EVANS: May I?  First of all,

 

           22              before I read the announcements that I have

 

           23              I would like to commend our council

 

           24              president, Mr. McGoff, for running the

 

           25              Steamtown Marathon, and that's quite a feat


 

 

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            1              that I know I personally would never

 

            2              undertake.  I make a very good spectator,

 

            3              but certainly not a participant, so

 

            4              congratulations to you, Mr. McGoff.

 

            5                      The Upper Hill Ecumenical Committee

 

            6              comprised of Myrtle Street Methodist Church,

 

            7              Immaculate Conception Church and St. Peter's

 

            8              Angelical Lutheran Church will conduct a

 

            9              pancake, sausage breakfast from 7:00 to 11

 

           10              a.m. on October 25.  The breakfast will be

 

           11              held in the social hall of St. Peter's

 

           12              Lutheran Church corner of Ash Street and

 

           13              Taylor Avenue.  The hall is handicapped

 

           14              accessible.  Tickets are $5.00 for adults

 

           15              and $3.00 for children.  Proceeds will go to

 

           16              St. Francis of Assisi kitchen in Scranton.

 

           17                      Also, a Friendly's Family Fun Night

 

           18              will conducted tomorrow, October 15, between

 

           19              the hours of 5 and 8 p.m.  A percentage of

 

           20              the food receipts from all of those eating

 

           21              in or dining out will be donated to St.

 

           22              Francis of Assisi Kitchen in Scranton.  You

 

           23              can make a difference in the lives of others

 

           24              by participating in both of these events and

 

           25              encouraging others to do so as well.


 

 

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            1                      The Unico Tram of Terror will

 

            2              operate from Shookie's at Nay Aug Park on

 

            3              Friday and Saturday evenings beginning at

 

            4              dusk.  Adult tickets are $5.00 and children

 

            5              are $3.00.  Bring the family and enjoy a

 

            6              terror filled good time.

 

            7                      And, finally, the Genisis Wildlife

 

            8              Center will conduct a fall fund fair at Nay

 

            9              Aug Park in Scranton this Saturday,

 

           10              October 18, in front of the wildlife center

 

           11              from 12 to 4 p.m. All money raised goes to

 

           12              the animals.  There will games, hot dogs,

 

           13              coffee, hot chocolate, pony rides, so,

 

           14              please, bring your children and have some

 

           15              fun on a brisk autumn afternoon.  Thank you.

 

           16                      MS. GATELLI:  I just have one.

 

           17              Tomorrow evening at West Scranton High

 

           18              School at 6:30 the resource officer of our

 

           19              school, Officer Steve Carroll, will be

 

           20              giving a presentation to the public and

 

           21              especially to the parents of students of

 

           22              West Scranton on bullying and cyberbullying.

 

           23              He will also be accompanied by two district

 

           24              attorneys from Andy Jarbola's office.  If

 

           25              you do not know, starting in January of this


 

 

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            1              coming year all school districts in

 

            2              Pennsylvania will have to have an

 

            3              anti-bullying policy in their school

 

            4              district, so it's very, very important that

 

            5              parents and the public attend this very

 

            6              important session.  Thank you.

 

            7                      MR. MCGOFF: I hesitate to do this as

 

            8              Mr. Courtright has said in the past, as soon

 

            9              as you mention somebody's name you probably

 

           10              forget three others, but as Mrs. Evans said,

 

           11              the Steamtown Marathon was held this past

 

           12              weekend on Sunday.  Once again it attracted

 

           13              somewhere around 1,900 applicants, I think

 

           14              over 1,500 finishers of the marathon.  I

 

           15              would like to just commend, again, the

 

           16              organization of the Steamtown Marathon, Bill

 

           17              King, from the Scranton School District,

 

           18              Jack Marks, Jim Cummings, John McGovern, the

 

           19              committee members that I'm familiar with.

 

           20              Also, Vince Fedor was this year's honorary

 

           21              director, Vince is a long-time coach,

 

           22              cross-country coach and distance runner and

 

           23              also I am going to -- some of the people

 

           24              that work within the city that were

 

           25              participants in the marathon are finishers,


 

 

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            1              I know Dan Duffy and Tommy Lee from the

 

            2              Scranton Police Department.  Jack Davis and

 

            3              Tom Davis from the Scranton Fire Department.

 

            4              Paul O'Hora from flood control.  I know Jack

 

            5              and Paul -- Jack Davis and Paul O'Hora ran

 

            6              somewhere around three hours which a great

 

            7              time for a marathon, and Don Davis from DPW

 

            8              was also a participant.  If I have left out

 

            9              anybody I'm sure I will hear, but,

 

           10              congratulations to all of them.  It was,

 

           11              again, a great event.  It brings a number of

 

           12              people to the city, hotels were filled and

 

           13              everybody that I speak to concerning the

 

           14              Steamtown Marathon feels it's one of the

 

           15              best races of it's kind in the country and

 

           16              it brings -- every year brings people from

 

           17              all over the United States and I think this

 

           18              year from three foreign countries to

 

           19              Scranton for the marathon.  So, again,

 

           20              congratulations to the organizers.  And we

 

           21              will move to Fourth Order.  Citizens'

 

           22              participation.  Marie Schumacher.

 

           23                      MS. SCHUMACHER: Good evening.  Marie

 

           24              Schumacher, city resident and member of the

 

           25              Taxpayers' organization.  And I, too, would


 

 

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            1              like to congratulate Mr. McGoff for

 

            2              finishing -- how many lapse around Scranton

 

            3              lake is that?

 

            4                      MR. MCGOFF: Eight plus.

 

            5                      MS. SCHUMACHER: So just like you do

 

            6              almost everyday; right?

 

            7                      MS. GATELLI: I can only do five.

 

            8                      MS. SCHUMACHER: I'll witness that

 

            9              any day you are ready.  Mrs. Gatelli, can

 

           10              you or will you testimony me if we will have

 

           11              a 2007 city audit before the budget is

 

           12              released on 11-15?

 

           13                      MS. GATELLI: I will find out for

 

           14              you.

 

           15                      MS. SCHUMACHER: Thank you.  And

 

           16              awhile back you talked about the need for

 

           17              Home Rule Charter review where does that

 

           18              effort stand, and if you can answer me now

 

           19              because I can't stay for motions tonight.

 

           20                      MS. GATELLI:  You want the answer

 

           21              now?

 

           22                      MS. SCHUMACHER: Yes, if you would.

 

           23                      MS. GATELLI:  I did ask Attorney

 

           24              Minora.

 

           25                      MR. MINORA:  The research indicated


 

 

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            1              two things, if the Home Rule Charter is

 

            2              amended to elect council people by district

 

            3              or from by district at large, then they

 

            4              don't have to go through the entire process

 

            5              of a Home Rule Charter, but if it's other

 

            6              amendments they actually have to go through

 

            7              the entire process as though, basically as

 

            8              though you didn't have a charter to begin

 

            9              with, so it's --

 

           10                      MS. GATELLI:  And, Attorney Minora,

 

           11              would council have to start to proceed?

 

           12                      MR. MINORA: Council could.  Council

 

           13              could.

 

           14                      MS. GATELLI:  Because I know if it's

 

           15              a five-year period you have to wait from the

 

           16              last commission that was elected because

 

           17              they run, they are elected to be Home Rule

 

           18              Study Commission.

 

           19                      MR. MINORA: Correct.

 

           20                      MS. SCHUMACHER: So, we can expect

 

           21              that to move forward?

 

           22                      MS. GATELLI: I would like to move it

 

           23              forward, yes, I don't know if my colleagues.

 

           24                      MS. SCHUMACHER: Well, you can take

 

           25              that up later, but--


 

 

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            1                      MS. GATELLI: I think we should it,

 

            2              yes.

 

            3                      MS. SCHUMACHER:  That was sufficient

 

            4              for now, I don't know since you are Finance

 

            5              Chair if you are the proper person to ask or

 

            6              just ask it at large, but have there been

 

            7              any status reports on the ongoing forensic

 

            8              audit of the Single Tax Office?  Has one

 

            9              being requested, a status report being

 

           10              requested and is there a --

 

           11                      MS. GATELLI: Yes, there has been

 

           12              requested and they said that the audit

 

           13              should be finished within 60 days.

 

           14                      MS. SCHUMACHER: That was when?

 

           15                      MS. GATELLI: About a week ago.

 

           16                      MS. SCHUMACHER: And then,

 

           17              Mrs. Evans, have you received a copy of the

 

           18              guidelines that LIPS inspectors give to

 

           19              homeowners when they condemn a property that

 

           20              tells the homeowners of their rights and

 

           21              responsibilities and what code has been

 

           22              violated?

 

           23                      MS. EVANS: No, I have not.

 

           24                      MS. SCHUMACHER:  I know you have

 

           25              asked twice, maybe in motions you could make


 

 

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            1              it a third, go for three.

 

            2                      MS. EVANS: Surely.

 

            3                      MS. SCHUMACHER: Boston is on

 

            4              tonight.  And with respect to what ECTV said

 

            5              tonight to go back to that just a minute

 

            6              because Mr. Darcy under oath testified from

 

            7              this very podium at the zoning hearing that

 

            8              all they were paying was $1.00 per year

 

            9              lease and tonight he said it's ECTV is

 

           10              paying a dollar a year plus utilities and

 

           11              plus half of the taxes, which I questioned

 

           12              whether he even knows who his landlord is

 

           13              because he should know that that is a tax

 

           14              exempt property because it's held by

 

           15              Lackawanna Institute, and I would also

 

           16              suggest that since it's being used for a

 

           17              purpose that is outside of the realm of the

 

           18              Lackawanna Institute's charter that you

 

           19              might want to go back to the assessor and

 

           20              have that property reassessed and it might

 

           21              be taxable.  So, that's just something to

 

           22              look into.

 

           23                      And the rest of my time tonight I

 

           24              was going to spend talking with Mrs. Fanucci

 

           25              because I have a number of questions, but I


 

 

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            1              guess she can read it in the minutes when

 

            2              they are published.  Back on September 2 I

 

            3              sent a letter to OECD and asked why 11 loans

 

            4              that you as council had approved during the

 

            5              last year were not contained on the CDBG in

 

            6              their paper where they report on economic

 

            7              development activities and loans, and I

 

            8              identified them and the amounts and I really

 

            9              don't understand their response because they

 

           10              told me in essence several of them were from

 

           11              funds other -- from UDAG funds and a couple

 

           12              of enterprise zone grants, but seven of

 

           13              those ten loans when they were presented to

 

           14              council were presented as commercial

 

           15              industrial loans, and one in particular

 

           16              really, and that's the way eight on the

 

           17              Caper report were also presented the same

 

           18              way, they had the exact same account numbers

 

           19              and, as a matter of fact, there is one here

 

           20              and then I'll finish up with this, it's a

 

           21              loan that's reported on the Caper to Paul

 

           22              Nardone in the amount of $65,000 on

 

           23              August 30 of last year and what they -- and

 

           24              despite the fact that OECD's response to my

 

           25              Right to Know claims that the outrageous


 

 

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            1              loan in the amount of $65,000 was a CDBG

 

            2              revolving loan and as such it would not

 

            3              appear on the listing.

 

            4                      Coincidentally, council minutes of

 

            5              7-12-07 presents a loan funded from the

 

            6              commercial industrial loan program in an

 

            7              amount not to exceed $65,000 to Paul Nardone

 

            8              doing business as Outrageous.  I would

 

            9              contend they are one in the same, so they

 

           10              have in on the report, but --

 

           11                      MR. MCGOFF: I was going to suggest

 

           12              that if you have questions for Mrs. Fanucci

 

           13              if you would just give them to Mr. Coolican

 

           14              and he can forward them to Mrs. Fanucci.

 

           15                      MS. SCHUMACHER: Okay.  I'll e-mail

 

           16              them to her.  Thank you very much.

 

           17                      MR. MCGOFF:  Ozzie Quinn.

 

           18                      MR. QUINN: Ozzie Quinn, Taxpayers'

 

           19              Association.  I'm coming here today as

 

           20              president of the Taxpayers' Association

 

           21              because we want to ask council if they would

 

           22              consider something.  You know, last Saturday

 

           23              in the Times-Tribune there was a very

 

           24              alarming statement and it really shook me up

 

           25              and that's what I want to speak about


 

 

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            1              tonight and it was made by Mike Hanley, who

 

            2              is the executive director of the United

 

            3              Neighborhood Centers, and I'm going to read

 

            4              it verbatim, okay?  He said, "We are seeing

 

            5              new faces coming through our door," he said,

 

            6              "lots of new faces, people who used to be

 

            7              donors.  People are coming to us looking for

 

            8              food assistance and we have tuna fish and

 

            9              grapefruit juice to offer them."

 

           10                      That sort of scares me, okay, that

 

           11              there are people that are actually -- they

 

           12              are actually donors that are now going to

 

           13              the food pantries and the food pantries are

 

           14              empty, as he said, grapefruit juice and tuna

 

           15              fish, so what I really would like to do, you

 

           16              know, it's a serious situation, very

 

           17              serious, and it's going to be get more

 

           18              serious, as we know, because of the economic

 

           19              conditions that prevail today and I would

 

           20              like to try and if someone would make a

 

           21              motion or arrange that we have a meeting

 

           22              with Mr. Hanley and Mrs. Siconolfi, the

 

           23              bankers, the person for the county who runs

 

           24              the communities service block grant and the

 

           25              state that runs the community service block


 

 

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            1              grant and the OECD and other people to sit

 

            2              down at a round table to see what we can do

 

            3              to come up with some way of funding these

 

            4              pantries this winter.  It's a very serious

 

            5              situation and I don't know if a lot of

 

            6              people are going to make it.

 

            7                      Thank God for the school district

 

            8              that some of these kids are going to be able

 

            9              to at least get a meal --

 

           10                      MS. GATELLI: Two meals.

 

           11                      MR. QUINN: Or two meals, which is

 

           12              great, so I'm asking to please consider some

 

           13              kind of a meeting, a motion and we would be

 

           14              glad to participate in it and give you some

 

           15              names so that we could raise some funds or

 

           16              sources of funding maybe if it's Washington

 

           17              or whatnot to shake the tree and get some

 

           18              monies in here to stock these pantries.  I'd

 

           19              appreciate if you could do that, okay?

 

           20              Thank you.

 

           21                      MR. MCGOFF:  Thank you, Mr. Quinn.

 

           22              Andy Sbaraglia.

 

           23                      MR. SBARAGLIA: Andy Sbaraglia,

 

           24              citizen of Scranton.  Fellow Scrantonians,

 

           25              on your agenda items for consideration for


 

 

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            1              adoption, 7-G, attached with that there was

 

            2              a stipulation from this Ford, what do they

 

            3              call it, Ford Motor, Ford Credit Company

 

            4              limiting the amount we could borrow, have

 

            5              you any idea why that was put into our

 

            6              agreement?

 

            7                      MR. MCGOFF: I personally do not.

 

            8                      MR. SBARAGLIA: And the $6 million, I

 

            9              think it was for $10 million, we already

 

           10              borrowed 6.1 million in the name of the

 

           11              Scranton Recreation -- no, the Scranton

 

           12              Redevelopment Authority and does that come

 

           13              to the ten million?  In other words, we are

 

           14              being told that we've got to watch what we

 

           15              are spending by these people and they are

 

           16              not even giving us much.  It's not a big

 

           17              contract, but yet they are worried about our

 

           18              financial ability to pay.  They want to

 

           19              limit our borrowing for the end of this

 

           20              year.  Something like that tells you

 

           21              something.  Whatever they are telling you

 

           22              about upstairs someone else is telling you

 

           23              something different.  People that are

 

           24              lending you the money are saying you've got

 

           25              to watch and you are not watching or they


 

 

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            1              wouldn't have to put that stipulation in

 

            2              there.  It's just an odd think that I read

 

            3              that.

 

            4                      Now, I know you are borrowing

 

            5              vehicles, you are borrowing for police cars,

 

            6              okay, and so forth, and Ford does make good

 

            7              cars, especially if they are Crown Vex, but

 

            8              the stipulation struck a cord with me

 

            9              because I was wondering, we were told that

 

           10              our credit rating was something like DDD

 

           11              which must be even be below junk bonds

 

           12              because I can't understand where they would

 

           13              get a credit rating of DDD because of the

 

           14              fact is, but ford apparently saw that or

 

           15              understood that and said, "You got to watch

 

           16              what you are doing up there in Scranton."

 

           17                      Now, I realize they limit it to

 

           18              $10 million, you borrowed 6.1 million, do

 

           19              you plan to borrow anymore money in the name

 

           20              of taxpayers to the end of the year or is

 

           21              the 6.1 million well within what Ford has

 

           22              allowed?  There is something to look at.

 

           23              When you see stipulations like that, that

 

           24              should raise red flags because any time you

 

           25              put a stipulation in there, there is a


 

 

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            1              reason underlying that stipulation.

 

            2                      Okay, let's go onto 7-F.  This

 

            3              project keeps growing and growing and

 

            4              growing and I keep telling you all of the

 

            5              taxes in the city for two years, probably

 

            6              two and a half years don't makeup for what

 

            7              we are throwing into that one block, and

 

            8              it's not even a whole block, the two ending

 

            9              parcels aren't in on this.  They want to go

 

           10              there anyway, which they should, they should

 

           11              be, that's their right.  No one should force

 

           12              redevelopment on anybody.  I think if you

 

           13              own the piece of property that is your

 

           14              property then and the only way they can get

 

           15              it from you is not even condemnation because

 

           16              I don't believe in that even though the

 

           17              Supreme Court says you can do it.  I don't

 

           18              believe in it.  I don't believe condemnation

 

           19              is the way to go with anything.  If you want

 

           20              something and you want it bad enough you

 

           21              should pay for it, but anyway, this is the

 

           22              federal government.  I don't know exactly

 

           23              what they are going to do other than the

 

           24              fact is they want to put an elevator up to

 

           25              this parcel of land, they want to fix the


 

 

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            1              wall, I don't know if they want to put a

 

            2              path there, I have no idea because there was

 

            3              no dollar figure associated with this, but

 

            4              you should look into it.

 

            5                      I mean, we are becoming the laughing

 

            6              stock of this nation.  We are bridges to

 

            7              nowhere, now we are spending millions on a

 

            8              block and the whole city is collapsing

 

            9              around us, but yet we are going to spend a

 

           10              million dollars on the block.  There is more

 

           11              to Scranton then central city and I wish you

 

           12              would all realize that.  Central city is one

 

           13              hub and I don't know even think they bring

 

           14              enough money into the city to even worry

 

           15              about it.  I think if you look at where the

 

           16              money is coming from it's the wage tax and

 

           17              the poor underage people they are the ones

 

           18              that live in the city outside of central

 

           19              city.  Most of the people from central city

 

           20              probably live out of town, they don't live

 

           21              here.  Why should they live here?  Bad

 

           22              enough they have to pay 2 percent, 0why

 

           23              should they pay 3.4 plus.  Well, thank you.

 

           24                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you,

 

           25              Mr. Sbaraglia.  Fay Franus.


 

 

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            1                      MS. FRANUS:  First, I'd like to say

 

            2              that last week on Tuesday before the council

 

            3              meeting I heard that the caucus with ECTV

 

            4              was postponed or cancelled, so I called and

 

            5              left a message and nobody answered it and

 

            6              Mark called me back the next morning,

 

            7              Wednesday at 10:00, and he asked why I had

 

            8              called and I just said that I wanted to know

 

            9              why the meeting was cancelled and he said he

 

           10              didn't have to answer me.  He said he is

 

           11              working it out with council, he didn't have

 

           12              to answer me.  And I just thought that odd

 

           13              and I said to him, "The taxpayers are paying

 

           14              your salary."

 

           15                      He said, "I made it very clear that

 

           16              I had other commitments."

 

           17                      I just wanted to let you know how

 

           18              his attitude was.  I'd also like to know the

 

           19              amounts the employees are getting since we

 

           20              are paying them, I'd like to that to be one

 

           21              of the questions, the follow-up questions,

 

           22              what are employee salaries when they get it.

 

           23                   Mrs. Gatelli, I'm asking you these

 

           24              questions as a citizen, a taxpayer.  In your

 

           25              lawsuit of which you are a defendant for


 

 

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            1              defamation what city insurance company is

 

            2              paying for your defense?

 

            3                      MS. GATELLI:  I have no idea.

 

            4                      MS. FRANUS:  During the July 15,

 

            5              2008, meeting there was a resolution for

 

            6              insurance with Nautilus Insurance for city

 

            7              insurance coverage for a period June 12,

 

            8              2008, through June 12, 2009.  Perhaps this

 

            9              is the company, it was approved by council.

 

           10              I just want to get it on the record.  Are

 

           11              you filing as a city council person?

 

           12                      MS. GATELLI:  Mrs. Franus, I'm not

 

           13              going to answer any of your questions.

 

           14                      MS. FRANUS:  This is taxpayer

 

           15              appointed money, Judy, that's representing

 

           16              you.

 

           17                      MS. GATELLI:  I was sued by someone

 

           18              and it was countersued by the city.

 

           19              Attorney Minora can answer your questions.

 

           20                      MS. FRANUS:  Mr. Minora is Mrs.

 

           21              Gatelli suing as a councilperson and as a

 

           22              private citizen.

 

           23                      MR. MINORA: Council person.

 

           24                      MS. FRANUS: Not a private citizen?

 

           25                      MR. MINORA: Council person.  She was


 

 

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            1              sued as a council person, she wasn't sued as

 

            2              a private citizen.

 

            3                      MS. FRANUS:  Okay.  In your

 

            4              countersuit, Mr. Minora maybe you can answer

 

            5              this, in Mrs. Gatelli's countersuit against

 

            6              against the anonymous motions of the website

 

            7              s the same insurance company paying for your

 

            8              legal fees?

 

            9                      MR. MINORA: Well, I'm not

 

           10              representing her.

 

           11                      MS. FRANUS:  But, you don't know

 

           12              what the city insurance company from the

 

           13              city?

 

           14                      MR. MINORA: Do I know the name of

 

           15              the company?  I do not know the name of the

 

           16              company.  It would not have been a new

 

           17              company.  It would have been a company who

 

           18              was --

 

           19                      MS. FRANUS:  Appointed before --

 

           20                      MR. MINORA: That would have been in

 

           21              force at the time the lawsuit was filed.

 

           22                      MS. FRANUS:  I see, the company

 

           23              before this other one.

 

           24                      MR. MINOR:  So whatever that company

 

           25              is.


 

 

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            1                      MR. MCGOFF: Mrs. Franus, I believe

 

            2              we are in --

 

            3                      MS. FRANUS:  Mr. McGoff, this is

 

            4              taxpayer questions.

 

            5                      MR. MCGOFF: We are talking about

 

            6              things that aren't --

 

            7                      MS. GATELLI: Mrs. Franus, if you

 

            8              want to know you should find out how many

 

            9              lawsuits are in this city and how much it is

 

           10              costing the taxpayers.

 

           11                      MS. FRANUS:  I'm asking about this

 

           12              one specifically.

 

           13                      MR. MCGOFF: This one is still in

 

           14              Court.

 

           15                      MS. GATELLI:  I know why you asking.

 

           16                      MS. FRANUS: The taxpayers are still

 

           17              paying for this.

 

           18                      MS. GATELLI: And so are the posters

 

           19              on the website.

 

           20                      MR. MCGOFF: Please.

 

           21                      MS. FRANUS:  I have a right to know

 

           22              00.

 

           23                      MS. GATELLI:  Many of whom are in

 

           24              this room.

 

           25                      MS. FRANUS: Mrs. Gatelli, I have a


 

 

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            1              right -- Mr. McGoff, please, I have a right

 

            2              as a taxpayer to ask these questions.

 

            3                      MR. MCGOFF: Well --

 

            4                      MS. FRANUS:  I'm paying for it.

 

            5                      MR. MCGOFF: Well, for the time I'm

 

            6              saying it's order of record because

 

            7              it's still --

 

            8                      MS. FRANUS: Well, I'm sorry, it's

 

            9              not.  I'm not asking about any of the

 

           10              litigation, I'm asking who is paying for it.

 

           11              I also want to know if you win damages on

 

           12              your countersuit for defamation who gets the

 

           13              money?  Does it go back to the city or are

 

           14              you getting this, Mrs. Gatelli?

 

           15                      MS. GATELLI:  I have no idea.

 

           16                      MR. MCGOFF: Excuse me.

 

           17                      MS. GATELLI: Excuse me.

 

           18                      MR. MCGOFF: I'm going to -- I said

 

           19              the questions I believe are out of order.

 

           20              It's a current case, we are not going to

 

           21              discuss it and I'm going to advise

 

           22              Mrs. Gatelli and --

 

           23                      MS. FRANUS:  Isn't that convenient,

 

           24              Mr. McGoff.

 

           25                      MR. MCGOFF: -- to not answer.


 

 

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            1                      MS. FRANUS: Any other thing that has

 

            2              to do with city money we have to right now,

 

            3              but because it's Judy Gatelli in a lawsuit

 

            4              the gavel is banged?  I find that very

 

            5              interesting, very deceptive, since I'm

 

            6              paying for it and every citizen in this city

 

            7              is paying for it we as citizens have a right

 

            8              to know.  I mean, you sat there on that

 

            9              council, Mrs. Gatelli, and stated how you're

 

           10              distraught over all of this, and you take

 

           11              medication for all of that, I'd like to know

 

           12              who is paying for all of that as well.  It's

 

           13              all coming back to us.

 

           14                      MS. GATELLI:  Is this all part of

 

           15              the meeting you had to discredit me for the

 

           16              election, Mrs. Franus?

 

           17                      MR. MCGOFF: Please.

 

           18                      MS. GATELLI: You know, the private

 

           19              meeting that you had to start harassing me

 

           20              so that I'll lose the election?

 

           21                      MR. MCGOFF: Please.

 

           22                      MS. FRANUS: Mrs. Gatelli, what

 

           23              private meeting are you referring to?

 

           24                      MS. GATELLI: The private meeting

 

           25              that I got a note about that you were going


 

 

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            1              to do this until the election.

 

            2                      MS. FRANUS:  I never had a private

 

            3              meeting with anybody and I resent you saying

 

            4              that because --

 

            5                      MS. GATELLI:  Well, I resent you

 

            6              saying that about me, too.

 

            7                      MS. FRANUS: Well, what I'm saying is

 

            8              in the logs.

 

            9                      MS. GATELLI: I have a record, I have

 

           10              a 27-year record in this community and you

 

           11              can look it up.

 

           12                      MS. FRANUS: What I am looking up?

 

           13                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.

 

           14                      MS. FRANUS:  Not your qualities.

 

           15                      MR. MCGOFF: Mr. Talimini.

 

           16                      MR. TALIMINI: That's going to be a

 

           17              tough act to follow.  Joe Talimini, I'd like

 

           18              to start off by acknowledging something.

 

           19              Today is birthday of Reverend Dan Waters of

 

           20              Bethel AME Church.  Reverend Waters is

 

           21              84 years old today and I would like the

 

           22              whole city to know that this man even at his

 

           23              age and his physical condition walks down to

 

           24              that Bethel Church everyday, every night, he

 

           25              is there seven days a week and I think the


 

 

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            1              man is well worthy of note, and I personally

 

            2              would like to wish him a happy birthday and

 

            3              I hope the council that would do the same

 

            4              thing.

 

            5                      MS. EVANS: Yes.

 

            6                      MR. TALIMINI: He is a remarkable

 

            7              man.  Going over what we just heard from the

 

            8              television people, if there is a game such

 

            9              as fantasy football I would like to have

 

           10              Mr. Darcy on my team for illusive answers.

 

           11              I think he would be one of the charmers in

 

           12              the group.  I think it's kind of interesting

 

           13              Mr. Darcy is a one-man company as he said

 

           14              because it appears that is dealing with a

 

           15              one-person city administration based on what

 

           16              I heard and I resent the mayor saying this

 

           17              is not your ballgame, it's his.  Well, if it

 

           18              his let him put the money out of his own

 

           19              pocket and not out of mine because this is

 

           20              the City of Scranton and the taxpayers are

 

           21              represented by the government and,

 

           22              unfortunately, whether Mr. Doherty realizes

 

           23              it or not he is part of the government.  He

 

           24              not a dictator, he is a mayor and he better

 

           25              learn very quickly that he does represent


 

 

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            1              the entire city not just his own group.

 

            2                   Now, into today's newspaper, which I

 

            3              hate to acknowledge, but I will, there was a

 

            4              little survey they did asking for the

 

            5              important traits for a would be president of

 

            6              the United States, I think the same thing

 

            7              applies to any politician.  There were six

 

            8              options.  One was ambitious, one was easy

 

            9              going, one was intrepid, one was responsive,

 

           10              one was stubborn and one was tenacious.

 

           11              And, you know, overwhelmingly the winner was

 

           12              responsive, and that's what we need in this

 

           13              city is a responsive government, not only

 

           14              from our mayor but from our council as well

 

           15              as all of our authorities, all of our

 

           16              department heads.  This should apply to any

 

           17              of you whether he is elected or appointed,

 

           18              we need responsiveness and that's a key

 

           19              factor.  I hope you all remember that and.

 

           20                      Most importantly, in view of the

 

           21              economic situation we are undergoing and I

 

           22              don't know nobody wants to believe it but we

 

           23              are in recession, some of the finest minds

 

           24              in the country have said we are in a

 

           25              recession, we're on the verge of depression,


 

 

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            1              it's have a very serious condition, I would

 

            2              hope that this council within it's limit

 

            3              would exercise fiscal restraint in this

 

            4              upcoming budget because we just don't have

 

            5              the money to spend and there is no telling

 

            6              if we are going to have any money to spend

 

            7              in the next year and the way things are

 

            8              going, it's not a good situation, so again,

 

            9              I would urge you to exercise fiscal

 

           10              restraint.  I know it's a very tough thing

 

           11              to follow, but I'll e-mail Mrs. Fanucci and

 

           12              makes sure she understands that as well.

 

           13              Thank you very much.

 

           14                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr. Talimini.

 

           15              Les Spindler?

 

           16                      MR. SPINDLER: Good evening, Council,

 

           17              Les Spindler, city resident, and homeowner.

 

           18              I was wondering if council could find

 

           19              something out for me, how many lawsuits have

 

           20              been filed against Office of Licenses and

 

           21              Inspections from the time Mr. Fiorini

 

           22              retired to the present?  Could someone

 

           23              possibly find out for me for next week?

 

           24                      MS. EVANS: Well, we may not receive

 

           25              the response by next week, but I'll


 

 

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            1              certainly make the request.

 

            2                      MR. SPINDLER:  Thank you, Mrs.

 

            3              Evans.  Last week Mrs. Fanucci stated that

 

            4              council is powerless to do anything against

 

            5              CGTV when, in fact, that's not true and any

 

            6              funding for CDTV has to come before council

 

            7              and council can deny the funding, and

 

            8              standing here and listening to Mr. Darcy or

 

            9              Mr. Migliore, or whatever his name is, and

 

           10              they are saying about how, you know, they

 

           11              received $100,000 and they need all of that

 

           12              money to get everything up and going when I

 

           13              stated before, Scranton Today worked on a

 

           14              shoestring budget, they had live meetings,

 

           15              the sound was much better, when I listen to

 

           16              these meetings at home the sound from the

 

           17              people speaking at the podium, I have to put

 

           18              the volume all the way up on my remote and

 

           19              then when council people speak I have to put

 

           20              it down because their volume is louder.  So,

 

           21              like I said, Scranton Today worked on a

 

           22              shoestring budget and did a much better job.

 

           23              If they had $100,000 lord knows what they

 

           24              would have been able to do.

 

           25                      Moving on, Mrs. Evans, you stated


 

 

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            1              last week about maybe looking for a new

 

            2              cable provider, I think we absolutely have

 

            3              to look for a different cable provider.

 

            4              Comcast raised their rates almost every

 

            5              year, we get nothing more for it, people

 

            6              just can't make it anymore.  In 2010 the PPL

 

            7              rate caps are coming off, people will be

 

            8              paying outrageous rates for the electricity,

 

            9              everything is going up, give us a break,

 

           10              Council?  Would you give the taxpayers a

 

           11              break?  Let's look to get a cheaper cable

 

           12              company?

 

           13                      I was going to -- driving down

 

           14              Spruce Street last Thursday, I came to the

 

           15              corner of Franklin and Spruce and I couldn't

 

           16              believe it, there were lines painted and

 

           17              arrows on the street?  Then I went down

 

           18              Lackawanna Avenue and the same thing at the

 

           19              mall, miracles do exist I guess.  No, a

 

           20              miracle would be if I get my corner fixed so

 

           21              my sidewalks don't get flooded.

 

           22                      Did anyone look into the smoking

 

           23              issue at Whistles?

 

           24                      MS. GATELLI: Yeah, I did.  I'll

 

           25              report it in motions.


 

 

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            1                      MR. SPINDLER: Okay.  The last thing,

 

            2              I have a couple of announcements, next

 

            3              Tuesday, August 21st at 7:00 at the Tripp

 

            4              Park Community Center is a meeting of the

 

            5              Tripp Park Crime Watch.  Anyone living in

 

            6              Tripp Park is welcome to come and join us if

 

            7              they want to, we would like as many people

 

            8              as possible.

 

            9                      Also, on November 11, that's a

 

           10              Tuesday, also, at 7:00, there is a regular

 

           11              meeting of the Tripp Park Neighborhood

 

           12              Association and everyone is welcome, every

 

           13              one at Tripp Park is welcome to join us

 

           14              there.  That's all.  Thank you.

 

           15                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr. Spindler.

 

           16              Lee Morgan.

 

           17                      MR. MORGAN: Good evening, Council.

 

           18              I only came up here tonight to really

 

           19              briefly touch two issues and I really think

 

           20              they are very vital in this city.  The first

 

           21              issue is ECTV.  Now, we have to realize how

 

           22              this came about.  East Scranton Business

 

           23              Association, $10,000, $90,000 Community

 

           24              Development money, same money, same with

 

           25              East Scranton Business Association and the


 

 

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            1              only thing this is doing is it's stifling

 

            2              the ability of residents to understand

 

            3              what's happening in their city.  Not only in

 

            4              regards to city council meetings, but every

 

            5              other single thing that happens in this

 

            6              city.  It's really the only way I believe

 

            7              that Mayor Doherty can win election because

 

            8              if the residents of this city were allowed

 

            9              to see Channel 61 as it previously was,

 

           10              Mr. Doherty wouldn't have a chance to win

 

           11              the election even if he was the only

 

           12              candidate, okay?  They understand what's

 

           13              happening to this city.  This city is being

 

           14              systematically looted.

 

           15                      Now, if you pay any attention to

 

           16              what's happened to the bond market and all

 

           17              of the other things and to find out that our

 

           18              elected officials haven't done anything for

 

           19              us, really, be honest with yourselves, I

 

           20              mean, how did the sewer rate increases tax

 

           21              place and how is council skirted.  How is

 

           22              this mayor managed to skirt every bit of the

 

           23              city's government and do every single thing

 

           24              he has wanted to do and build unnecessary

 

           25              projects to the detriment of the residents?


 

 

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            1              Evidently, somebody wasn't doing their job

 

            2              and I think that I'm looking at somebody who

 

            3              could have did something, and I'm not

 

            4              picking on one council person, you know,

 

            5              somebody has to make a decision.

 

            6                      And the other problem we seem to

 

            7              have is that America isn't just in a

 

            8              recession.  We are probably heading for a

 

            9              very hard depression because if anybody

 

           10              understands what's happening on the capital

 

           11              intensive markets in this country you find

 

           12              out that America is nationalizing nine of

 

           13              it's largest banks and York is done the same

 

           14              thing and the bond market is collapsing, so

 

           15              that tells you something.

 

           16                      And my question is, if we have

 

           17              $100,000 to help Mr. Doherty win reelection

 

           18              do you think that we could come up with a

 

           19              little bit of money to supply the food

 

           20              pantries with food for the poor in this city

 

           21              that are losing their jobs or have lost

 

           22              their jobs and do you think we can pass any

 

           23              legislation to protect people's properties

 

           24              if it so comes to pass that they can't pay

 

           25              their property tax or are we going to nail


 

 

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            1              all of those fees on top of all of those

 

            2              people and try to sell their property, is

 

            3              that what we are going to do in this city?

 

            4                   Because really, you know what, it's

 

            5              time for this council to stand up and lead

 

            6              and you lead by example and it's time, the

 

            7              time is now, the time for politics to end is

 

            8              now.  Somebody has got to call this mayor on

 

            9              the phone or going to talk to him in person

 

           10              tomorrow or talk to any of his subordinates

 

           11              and say, "Look it, we have got to give

 

           12              relief to the residents of this city and

 

           13              they need it, the food pantries are empty,

 

           14              the poor, the working poor are losing their

 

           15              jobs, there is very small middle class in

 

           16              this city, almost everybody if you look at

 

           17              the statistics for free school lunches you

 

           18              can see the pain and suffering in this

 

           19              community, and it's time for somebody to

 

           20              step up and if we can spend $100,000 for

 

           21              ECTV that can't even transmit a live meeting

 

           22              and when the gentleman comes before this

 

           23              council, and he knows he doesn't have to

 

           24              deal with you because the mayor is funding

 

           25              him, he only talks to one master and the


 

 

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            1              master is on the first floor, and I guess he

 

            2              pretty much told you people that when he was

 

            3              here today, so my point is could you think

 

            4              that you can help the residents of this city

 

            5              by trying to find some money to make it

 

            6              available for food pantries and for the poor

 

            7              families in this city that actually need

 

            8              help because now it's time to show where you

 

            9              stand, okay?

 

           10                      I mean, they have an article, they

 

           11              had a commercial yesterday on Chris Doherty

 

           12              throwing garbage in a garbage can and when I

 

           13              saw that you know what I thought about?  I

 

           14              thought about all of the money he borrowed

 

           15              and wasted.  You know, let your conscience

 

           16              serve you well and think about it tonight.

 

           17              Do you owe the residents of this city

 

           18              anything?  You know, I find it really

 

           19              pathetic when people in this city come

 

           20              forward and ask a council member if you can

 

           21              make it possible for the garbage in front of

 

           22              their house to be removed or if you can plow

 

           23              the snow from in front of their house.  Your

 

           24              responsibility is 100 times more than that.

 

           25              I hope you live up to your obligations.


 

 

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            1                      MR. MCGOFF: Bill Jackowitz.

 

            2                      MR. JACKOWITZ: Bill Jackowitz,

 

            3              Scranton resident, member of the Taxpayers'

 

            4              Association.  I want to make it perfectly

 

            5              clear that I have never attended a private

 

            6              meeting or a private meeting and discussed

 

            7              anything about city council.  Everything I

 

            8              do is out in public, normally televised or

 

            9              printed in the newspaper, so I just want to

 

           10              make that clear on the record because I have

 

           11              never done it and I never will do it if I

 

           12              have something to say I will say it directly

 

           13              to you in public.

 

           14                      Toastmaster's International, a

 

           15              highly respected public speaking

 

           16              organization worldwide states that a person

 

           17              at the podium is the speaker and everybody

 

           18              else are the listeners.  What is so hard to

 

           19              understand about that simple rule of

 

           20              courtesy and ettiquete?  Again, I ask city

 

           21              council members please do no interrupt the

 

           22              speakers.  We as speakers only have five

 

           23              minutes to express ourselves while council

 

           24              members have as much time as they desire to

 

           25              express themselves.  The first three words


 

 

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            1              of the preamble to the constitution, "We,

 

            2              the people," not "we", the elected, or "we",

 

            3              the politicians.  "We, the people."  That

 

            4              does include you and me.

 

            5                      I actually agree with Mayor Doherty

 

            6              and Councilwoman Fanucci.  City council has

 

            7              no authority whatsoever.  That was taken

 

            8              away with the election of the majority three

 

            9              and the passing of a strong form of mayoral

 

           10              government.  The mayor once said all I need

 

           11              is three votes.  Well, he has three.  Until

 

           12              council starts to vote 5/0 against the

 

           13              mayor's budget, borrowing, appointments,

 

           14              council will remain an inept government body

 

           15              controlled by Mayor Doherty.  How can one

 

           16              man, Mayor Doherty, be correct about

 

           17              everything considering he is the mayor of a

 

           18              distressed city, has no contact with his

 

           19              police and fire unions, police officers

 

           20              purchase their own vehicles and he must

 

           21              borrow and raises taxes to stay afloat.

 

           22              Borrow more to pay back borrowed money.  How

 

           23              can he be right all of the time?

 

           24                      Again, I will ask who is responsible

 

           25              for the City of Scranton being distressed


 

 

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            1              for 16 years starting in 1992?  Patiently

 

            2              awaiting answers from last week.  Patience

 

            3              is a virtue.  What is wrong with fair,

 

            4              honest and open government?  Closed doors

 

            5              meetings are things of the past.  Informed

 

            6              an intelligence citizens will no longer

 

            7              tolerate that.  Government at all levels

 

            8              need to be open to all citizens and

 

            9              taxpayers.  Put the people first and your

 

           10              friendships and allegiance second.  Why is

 

           11              public access television important?  The

 

           12              camera does not lie.  Close doors, shut the

 

           13              citizens out and then the lies start.

 

           14                      Most citizens will not take the time

 

           15              to participate in their government until it

 

           16              becomes too late like now.  After the fire

 

           17              starts it is too late to practice fire

 

           18              safety.  You may not like the questions or

 

           19              for that matter the person who asks the

 

           20              questions, but, again, we the people are now

 

           21              demanding answers, truthful answers, no more

 

           22              I believe or somebody told me this, I think

 

           23              so, and my favorite, back when I was with

 

           24              Mike Washo this is the way we did it.

 

           25              Ancient history.  How is it being done in


 

 

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            1              2008.

 

            2                      Finally, in response to Councilwoman

 

            3              Gatelli and, Councilwoman, this is not a

 

            4              dig, from last week comparing the county

 

            5              budget to the city budget, if the streets

 

            6              were being paved and plowed during

 

            7              snowstorms, remember the St. Valentine's Day

 

            8              massacre, if the fire and police were under

 

            9              contract, if city residents were not paying

 

           10              an extra $178 a year to have their garbage

 

           11              picked up, when residents call DPW or the

 

           12              mayor's office they receive answers not

 

           13              answering machines and, finally, when will

 

           14              the city wage tax be reduced from

 

           15              3.4 percent?  Please, answer during motions.

 

           16                   The budget is far too high for a city

 

           17              of approximately 67,000 residents and

 

           18              declining unless you account the

 

           19              undocumented illegals.  If you need your

 

           20              computer, like Mrs. Fanucci said, then bring

 

           21              it to the meetings if the answers are on the

 

           22              computer.  ECTV advisory board?  Nonsense.

 

           23              Just like the Scranton Ethics' Committee and

 

           24              this ECTV selection board.  Mayor Doherty

 

           25              only needs himself and his majority three


 

 

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            1              for Doherty television to succeed.

 

            2                      A reasonable amount of time to grow?

 

            3              How about a reasonable amount of time and a

 

            4              reasonable amount of private money, not

 

            5              public money, to finance ECTV.  If it's

 

            6              going to be financed by me, the public, a

 

            7              taxpayer, for about 48 years now then I

 

            8              should have a say in the running of ECTV and

 

            9              every other taxpayer in this city should

 

           10              have a say in the running of ECTV.  So,

 

           11              really, let's start working for the people.

 

           12                      MR. MCGOFF: David Dobson.

 

           13                      MR. DOBSON:  Good evening, Council,

 

           14              Dave Dobson, member of the Taxpayers'

 

           15              Association, City of Scranton.  I would like

 

           16              to point out the expense of Comcast on our

 

           17              citizens.  I have a question, are we cash

 

           18              cows unduly burdened and taxed?  Basically

 

           19              around $20 a month all you will get is local

 

           20              TV.  Limited, $45 a month, now, these are

 

           21              approximate figures, no CNN, no ESPN, no

 

           22              channels between 20 and 70, no CSPAN, except

 

           23              for Channel 61 and 62.  The new rate for

 

           24              full service is $70 plus per month.  Now,

 

           25              that would include CSPAN and ESPN and so


 

 

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            1              forth that I mentioned were excluded before.

 

            2                   On Channel 61 I must remain neutral at

 

            3              this time.  I have associations with both,

 

            4              but I have a question, where is Channel 62?

 

            5              I see no programs in three months, why do

 

            6              these people have a franchise with 62 if

 

            7              they have no interest in programming?

 

            8              Council should review Channel 62 activities

 

            9              and request intent from these people and to

 

           10              see if they are really interested in holding

 

           11              this franchise or would they like to relay

 

           12              it to some more interested parties?  I would

 

           13              also like to request, as other people have

 

           14              requested tonight, a better deal be

 

           15              negotiated, more affordable for Comcast.

 

           16              Also, Channel 61 should not offer children

 

           17              programs.  WVIA is goo-gaa-gaa from 6 a.m.

 

           18              to 6 p.m.  We have enough, enough Sesame

 

           19              Street on, we are interested in information

 

           20              that we can use.

 

           21                      Direct TV channel, 130 channels,

 

           22              $29.95.  No Channel 61.  So, as you go along

 

           23              here with these different negotiations and

 

           24              so forth, I would like to see things improve

 

           25              because at the current it's hardly worth


 

 

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            1              paying for, it's really ashame.  I hear

 

            2              Channel 61 and 62 are going to go to Channel

 

            3              9 and 11, well, I'm liable to go down to

 

            4              just basic and get cable.  I can save myself

 

            5              30 or 40 -- or Direct TV, I could save

 

            6              myself 30 or 40 dollars a month.  Thank you

 

            7              and have a good night.

 

            8                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr. Dobson.

 

            9              Anyone else?  Mr. Davis.

 

           10                      MR. DAVIS: A salaam aleikum.  Peace

 

           11              and blessings of the law be with you.  It

 

           12              seems as though the world, the world and our

 

           13              city, is in a financial conundrum with

 

           14              everything mixed up, nobody understand where

 

           15              we are going or why we are going, but there

 

           16              are people who say that they know the

 

           17              answer.  Do we know the answer in Scranton?

 

           18                   I look at the kids, the number of

 

           19              children going into the shelter every day.

 

           20              They are exploding.  How many kids are they

 

           21              turning away?  How many parents are they

 

           22              turning away?  Do we care?  No.  I don't see

 

           23              us caring about those who don't have.

 

           24                      When we come up with the answer that

 

           25              the shelter is running out of food.  There


 

 

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            1              is no drugs, there is no problem, let's get

 

            2              food down there to them.  Let's start a

 

            3              thing where people can bring their

 

            4              additional canned food and things like that

 

            5              and deposit it for them, so we can help them

 

            6              out.  We don't have that.

 

            7                      That used to be a thing I could

 

            8              remember of Scranton of the past.  If we

 

            9              came to the city council and said one of our

 

           10              -- it's a progressive city that doesn't have

 

           11              the food to serve the people that are coming

 

           12              there, something would have been done.  Even

 

           13              if we had to bring in Sister Adrian to prove

 

           14              our point, but I'm saying it's getting worse

 

           15              so, therefore, the amounts of crime is going

 

           16              to increase because I'm not going to start,

 

           17              seriously, I'm not going to sit out here and

 

           18              starve while there is money being made or

 

           19              not made there.

 

           20                      There is food there, there is this

 

           21              there, so that's why you have people robbing

 

           22              and people stealing, but that doesn't matter

 

           23              to you, and I'm saying to you we can stop

 

           24              that, we can help that that particular

 

           25              problem by just making more food available


 

 

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            1              in the pantries.  Part of that stealing and

 

            2              stuff could be stopped I think, but hey,

 

            3              what do I know.

 

            4                      But I've worked with city officials

 

            5              such as Mrs. Gatelli who went to my aunt's

 

            6              house ten years ago and literally tell her

 

            7              she had to go to jail and we are all saying

 

            8              to her why?  As a matter of fact, she had

 

            9              the policeman put cuffs on her.

 

           10                      MS. GATELLI:  I guess they could say

 

           11              whatever they want, Mr. McGoff.  Anybody can

 

           12              say whatever they want here.  It's okay.

 

           13                      MR. MCGOFF: I didn't hear what he

 

           14              had to say.

 

           15                      MS. GATELLI:  It doesn't have to be

 

           16              the truth.  They don't all tell the truth at

 

           17              the podium.

 

           18                      MR. DAVIS:  And they don't all tell

 

           19              the truth on city council.  I have a family

 

           20              that would come in and testify about it.

 

           21                      MS. GATELLI:  Mr. Davis, you know,

 

           22              why the house was condemned.  You know why

 

           23              the house was condemned.  You can ask anyone

 

           24              in the Hill Section why the house was

 

           25              condemned.


 

 

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            1                      MR. DAVIS: That same house that you

 

            2              condemned was repaired.

 

            3                      MS. GATELLI: It was my job to do

 

            4              that, Mr. Davis.

 

            5                      MR. DAVIS: So that was a necessary

 

            6              evil.

 

            7                      MS. GATELLI: It was my job to do

 

            8              that, and Mr. Burton can look up the details

 

            9              of that condemnation in the paper back then

 

           10              to see what was happening at that particular

 

           11              address and the police reports.

 

           12                      MR. DAVIS:  That doesn't mean that

 

           13              you couldn't condemn it.  There was nothing

 

           14              that had been done there to cause you to

 

           15              condemn that property.

 

           16                      MS. GATELLI:  Mr. Davis, it went to

 

           17              the Housing Board of Appeals, and I'm not

 

           18              going to dispute it with you.

 

           19                      MR. DAVIS: That's a joke.  Come on

 

           20              now.  This poor old black lady trying to

 

           21              survive with 15 nephews and things around

 

           22              her to feed and stuff like that, and then

 

           23              you are worried about condemning it.

 

           24                      MS. GATELLI: Mr. Quinn knows what

 

           25              went on up there.


 

 

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            1                      MR. DAVIS: Yeah, Mr. Quinn --

 

            2                      MS. GATELLI: And Mr. Neverosky knows

 

            3              what went up on there, and the rest of the

 

            4              neighbors and the police know went up on

 

            5              right there.

 

            6                      MS. DAVIS: Mr. Parker was there,

 

            7              too.  I remember them.  I remember most of

 

            8              all of them.

 

            9                      MS. GATELLI: Yes, because that was

 

           10              my job and I did my job when I worked for

 

           11              the city.

 

           12                      MR. DAVIS:  Well, I hope that we do

 

           13              our job and make sure that you don't have

 

           14              anything else to do with the city.

 

           15                      MS. GATELLI: Well, thank you,

 

           16              Mr. Davis.

 

           17                      MS. HUMPHRIES:  Hi, everybody.

 

           18              Praise be Jesus and Mary, all of the holy

 

           19              saints and peace to everybody here.  I want

 

           20              to read something out of the dictionary and

 

           21              then I'm going to go on.  I represent truth

 

           22              in the fullest.  "Justifying.  Justifying,

 

           23              justificator.  To prove, to show, to be

 

           24              just, right and reasonable, to show to have

 

           25              a sufficient legal reason to qualify oneself


 

 

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            1              to surety by taking the oath through the

 

            2              ownership of sufficient property.  To

 

            3              administer justice worthy of salvation.  To

 

            4              absolve.  To make even, to justify.  Through

 

            5              justification there is margins and lines.

 

            6                   Now, we have art here in the City of

 

            7              Scranton.  I have a disability, so I walked

 

            8              from Mulberry Tower with that sheet that

 

            9              says end terrorism in the United States and

 

           10              in all nations, inside and outside of the

 

           11              woman.  When they asked my if I signed what

 

           12              my number was I says, no more number, this

 

           13              is it, bring our countrymen home and

 

           14              abortion, euthanasia, capital punishment and

 

           15              get our country back in the proper order

 

           16              that it is.

 

           17                      My name is Phyllis Bernadette,

 

           18              150 years Bernadette, the virgin mother came

 

           19              to Bernadette.  The virgin mother has come

 

           20              to me since a little girl, they've locked me

 

           21              up, I have been in psychiatric wards, God

 

           22              allowed me to go through all of the

 

           23              different organizations for the justifying

 

           24              of the poor, the rich, the bureaucratic that

 

           25              has all away through monetary, you have seen


 

 

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            1              what happened with the money going in.  Show

 

            2              me the money, honey.

 

            3                      And I have seven people that in

 

            4              order to serve in our country, I am an

 

            5              American, but I dress in ethnic.  One day I

 

            6              am an Indian, one day I am Muslim, one day

 

            7              I'm Jewish.  The guy that's going to get me

 

            8              if he wants to marry me he is going to have

 

            9              a lot of fun.  It's International Showtime.

 

           10                   What I am bringing you is this, it's a

 

           11              strong message, I'm not here to tear down my

 

           12              town.  My town has torn down me because of

 

           13              my religious faith.  A lot is going to be

 

           14              happening in the next couple of weeks and I

 

           15              have tried to intercede through the

 

           16              newspaper to give them love and forgiveness,

 

           17              I feel we should boycott the Scranton Times

 

           18              at this point.  I don't want to be shocked,

 

           19              but this is the way it is.

 

           20                      This is the art work.  Now, there is

 

           21              money behind here.  You are not going to get

 

           22              a lot of money checks.  This is the picture

 

           23              the color came out of pencil appeared an

 

           24              angel.  There is a woman there.  This is

 

           25              Guadeloupe, a pencil appeared there.  She


 

 

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            1              wrote a letter for the world.

 

            2                      This is my father, used the rhythm

 

            3              method, 14 kids, forget about everything

 

            4              else.  This is my granddaughter, she is an

 

            5              American/Russian and I baptized her, she

 

            6              speaks two different languages.  She is

 

            7              going to be the angel of reconciliation,

 

            8              love and peace.  Lines came across her,

 

            9              miracles appeared in that.  Right above, my

 

           10              cousin was a boxer, and I have a cousin that

 

           11              died, the golden gloves awards, Paul Roach,

 

           12              he was in nine months, he got hit, nine

 

           13              months he was ill and he died.  He is boxing

 

           14              from heaven telling everybody straighten up,

 

           15              get your politics right and support the

 

           16              people.

 

           17                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.  Oh, there

 

           18              are two sides.

 

           19                      MS. HUMPHRIES:  You are going to

 

           20              listen, you're not going to chase me away

 

           21              from this one.  This is seize the man and

 

           22              carpa diem, eighth-grade student, right here

 

           23              is the picture miraculously of our lady

 

           24              Estes, June 26, 1990, when the miracle

 

           25              occurred the virgin Mother, the dove, the


 

 

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            1              olive branch and venus.  This is what

 

            2              happened.  Lights appeared across it.  She

 

            3              is the mother of Ephapses.  June 26, 1931

 

            4              they proclaimed Mary the mother of God.  For

 

            5              every knee shall bend and every head shall

 

            6              bow is every tongue will proclaim that Jesus

 

            7              Christ is Lord.  We want to see the City of

 

            8              Scranton straightened out and you got to get

 

            9              the Scranton Times, they are not doing their

 

           10              job.

 

           11                      MR. MCGOFF: Phyllis.

 

           12                      MS. HUMPHRIES: God bless you.

 

           13                      MR. MCGOFF: You have gone too far.

 

           14              Thank you.

 

           15                      MR. HUMPHRIES: God is timeless.

 

           16                      MR. MCGOFF: Than you.  Mrs. Evans?

 

           17                      MS. EVANS: Good evening.  Prior to

 

           18              this regular meeting, council finally met in

 

           19              public caucus with representatives of ECTV

 

           20              following three requests for such a caucus.

 

           21              It should be noted that the mayor was

 

           22              requested to attend this caucus, but he

 

           23              failed to do so.  Like former tax collector

 

           24              Ken McDowell who continues to ignore council

 

           25              subpoena, Mr. Migliore, manager of ECTV,


 

 

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            1              cited originally the circus atmosphere of

 

            2              council meetings as they reason for failing

 

            3              to appear publically.  This is a prime

 

            4              example of the pot calling the kettle black.

 

            5              It's apparent that both Mr. McDowell and

 

            6              ECTV have created their own circuses.

 

            7                      As for having another commitment

 

            8              last week, Mr. Migliore arranged for the

 

            9              second meeting with council himself after

 

           10              canceling the first.  Why then would he

 

           11              schedule another commitment at the same time

 

           12              as the meeting with council he had already

 

           13              agreed to?  Like everything else that ECTV

 

           14              has touched to date, it doesn't pass the

 

           15              smell test.

 

           16                      Mr. Doherty believes in absolute

 

           17              power.  He alone selects, replaces, funds

 

           18              and controls public access channel

 

           19              television then he alone is responsible for

 

           20              the lack of services and poor quality

 

           21              broadcasting of government meetings for the

 

           22              last five months.  Although he has given

 

           23              $100,000 of taxpayer money to ECTV, he

 

           24              prefers to wait until 2009 when at some

 

           25              point a new cable contract begins to provide


 

 

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            1              a live feed for government meetings.  I

 

            2              believe that a percentage of the cable

 

            3              franchise fee should be allocated to local

 

            4              PEG channel management.  However, I don't

 

            5              believe that the people should have to wait

 

            6              any longer for live broadcasts of all

 

            7              government meetings.

 

            8                      Scranton Today earlier this evening

 

            9              generously offered to provide the live feed

 

           10              until ECTV is capable of providing it.  I

 

           11              agree with this solution and I thank the

 

           12              board of Scranton Today for it's great

 

           13              community spirit and generosity.  However, I

 

           14              also believe that ECTV should pay Comcast

 

           15              for the hard wire from the $100,000 in

 

           16              taxpayer money it has been given.  It is a

 

           17              good faith action toward the public it

 

           18              serves and does not require the consent of

 

           19              the mayor since there is no contract and

 

           20              such purchase falls within the requirements

 

           21              for use of the OECD loan/grant.

 

           22                      If ECTV fails to purchase hard

 

           23              wiring and, thus, fails to provide it's own

 

           24              live coverage by October 23 then it can be

 

           25              called Elect Chris TV as so many residents


 

 

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            1              have stated and the mayor does control these

 

            2              public television stations.  It has become

 

            3              increasingly clear that this project, ECTV,

 

            4              is yet another project which is stamped by

 

            5              the mayor's thumbprint.  All fluff, no

 

            6              substance.

 

            7                      At last week's council meeting I

 

            8              asked my colleagues to consider a dollar

 

            9              amount to be plugged into legislation

 

           10              concerning the use and disbursement of UDAG

 

           11              funds that come before council for approval.

 

           12              The clock is ticking and in the interim

 

           13              additional UDAG funds could be spent without

 

           14              council knowledge or approval.  Therefore, I

 

           15              ask that each my council members offers his

 

           16              or her opinion now, please, so that we may

 

           17              reach an agreement and the legislation can

 

           18              be placed on our agenda.

 

           19                      MR. COURTRIGHT: We were talking

 

           20              while you were talking, Mrs. Evans, and Mr.

 

           21              McGoff said to me, I don't think you mind me

 

           22              saying this, what is reasonable, he said

 

           23              10,000.  I think 10,000 is fair.  Anything

 

           24              10,000 or over who have to come before this

 

           25              council?


 

 

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            1                      MS. EVANS: Mrs. Gatelli?

 

            2                      MS. GATELLI: Yes, that's fine with

 

            3              me.  Is it with you?

 

            4                      MS. EVANS: No, but I will have to

 

            5              concede.

 

            6                      MS. GATELLI: What did you want, all

 

            7              of it?

 

            8                      MS. EVANS: All of it.  If I could

 

            9              just explain it and then the majority

 

           10              decides.  When I made the motion to draft

 

           11              this legislation I stated that all UDAG

 

           12              funds must come before council and I stand

 

           13              by that statement.  In this time of

 

           14              excessive government waste and park barrel

 

           15              spending it's become increasingly important

 

           16              to safeguard spending.

 

           17                      In addition, the mayor has

 

           18              demonstrated that he not always trustworthy

 

           19              in financial matters by funneling $10,000 to

 

           20              the East Scranton Business Association to

 

           21              give to ECTV.  He defended his action by

 

           22              saying the money was needed for blight

 

           23              elimination, however, there was no

 

           24              declaration of blight and the money was used

 

           25              to purchase a digital server and for


 

 

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            1              supplies according to Mr. Migliore, who was

 

            2              on record in the Scranton Times newspaper.

 

            3                   In addition, if a figure were set at

 

            4              let's say $10,000, for example, was is to

 

            5              prevent any mayor, not just this mayor, any

 

            6              mayor from writing two separate checks for

 

            7              $5,000 and funneling the extra check to his

 

            8              friends through another entity?  That's why

 

            9              I believe all UDAG use and disbursement

 

           10              should come before city council for

 

           11              approval.

 

           12                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Can I speak?  I

 

           13              don't disagree with that only because we had

 

           14              a little to-do back a few meetings ago when

 

           15              over a year ago when we thought all of the

 

           16              money being voted on was going to come

 

           17              through us and then we found out it wasn't,

 

           18              so that didn't set too well with me.  I

 

           19              would be agreeable for all of it to come

 

           20              through because it would have to be three of

 

           21              us again like any other project.

 

           22                      MR. MCGOFF: I believe that any

 

           23              agency should have some discretionary funds.

 

           24              I know that that may sound -- and regardless

 

           25              of who is mayor at the time, I think there


 

 

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            1              is some need for discretionary funding

 

            2              without approval of, you know, a council or

 

            3              whatever, any other governing board, so I

 

            4              think $10,000 is a reasonable amount.  I

 

            5              understand your hesitancy, but I still think

 

            6              that discretionary spending or some type of

 

            7              discretionary fund is acceptable in certain

 

            8              circumstances.

 

            9                      MS. EVANS: Well, there is spending

 

           10              though that occurs outside of UDAG funds,

 

           11              let's say, without our having to vote on it.

 

           12              There are miscellaneous accounts in the

 

           13              budget, for example, that none us are quite

 

           14              sure, you know, of the source or the use

 

           15              for, and then even within the mayor's

 

           16              department there are monies.

 

           17                      MR. MCGOFF: We could discuss this in

 

           18              caucus next week and arrive at a something

 

           19              might be acceptable to everyone?  Would that

 

           20              be acceptable?

 

           21                      MS. EVANS:  Yes.  My concern is just

 

           22              that we get this on the agenda and pass this

 

           23              prior to the introduction of the mayor's

 

           24              2009 proposed budget because once that item

 

           25              is introduced it consumes council and very


 

 

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            1              many other issues seem to be placed on a

 

            2              back burner.

 

            3                      Also, I remain very concerned about

 

            4              the residents of Dickson Avenue and the

 

            5              remainder of the area surrounding Daron

 

            6              Northeast, and I know that Ms. Gatelli is

 

            7              also very supportive of helping these

 

            8              residents.  So, Attorney Minora, could you

 

            9              please have a draft --

 

           10                      MR. MINORA: Can I tell you what I've

 

           11              done already on that?

 

           12                      MS. EVANS: Um-hum.

 

           13                      MR. MINORA:  I have spoken to

 

           14              Attorney Penetar, who is the solicitor for

 

           15              the zoning board, and I have asked him for

 

           16              an opinion as to whether or not changing the

 

           17              zoning for that property would be considered

 

           18              spot zoning or whether or not there is a

 

           19              question that would expose us to a lawsuit

 

           20              or perhaps damages, so I've actually written

 

           21              him a letter and asked for that opinion.  I

 

           22              haven't received it back from him yet, but I

 

           23              was going to report back to you as soon as I

 

           24              did.

 

           25                      MS. EVANS: Now, would that mirror


 

 

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            1              the situation on 7th Avenue across from

 

            2              Scranton High School where zoning was

 

            3              changed to accommodate the purchaser of that

 

            4              property?

 

            5                      MS. GATELLI:  The only reason that

 

            6              was able to be done, I believe, is because

 

            7              it was to a lesser use.

 

            8                      MR. MINORA:  Yeah.

 

            9                      MS. GATELLI: They were going from

 

           10              industrial to commercial, which is a lesser

 

           11              use.  You can to a lesser, but not to a

 

           12              higher.

 

           13                      MS. EVANS: Well, I think isn't that

 

           14              what we are trying to do?

 

           15                      MR. MINORA: No.  We are trying to

 

           16              make what is basically light industrial into

 

           17              something --

 

           18                      MS. EVANS: Into commercial.

 

           19                      MR. MINORA: -- a lesser, well,

 

           20              commercial would be a less of a use, so--

 

           21                      MS. GATELLI:  We might be able to do

 

           22              a commercial rather than residential.

 

           23                      MR. MINORA:  I'm sorry, I can't hear

 

           24              you.

 

           25                      MS. GATELLI:  We might be able to do


 

 

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            1              it to commercial, but not to residential.

 

            2                      MS. EVANS: Because there are office

 

            3              buildings that were constructed that are

 

            4              attached to Daron Northeast.  Now, they have

 

            5              -- although, they are KOZ's they have

 

            6              remained vacant since they were built, but I

 

            7              can see certainly someone wanting to put

 

            8              businesses into those buildings, so we

 

            9              wouldn't want to prevent that.  We just

 

           10              don't want to see a repeat of what we have

 

           11              witnessed all of these years.

 

           12                      MR. MINORA: As soon as I hear back

 

           13              from Attorney Penetar I will, you know, give

 

           14              you a report in caucus.

 

           15                      MS. EVANS: Because this another

 

           16              issue I want to get on the agenda.

 

           17                      MR. MINORA: And I knew that and I'm

 

           18              actually trying to think when I requested

 

           19              it.  It was probably last week.  It was

 

           20              probably before last week's meeting, and I

 

           21              followed that up with a letter.  I talked to

 

           22              him on the phone and followed it up with a

 

           23              letter.  I have not received a reply back

 

           24              from him in an opinion form, which is what I

 

           25              asked for.


 

 

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            1                      MS. EVANS: But, surely whatever

 

            2              communication the two of you share, there

 

            3              must be something done with that area to

 

            4              prevent a similar business from purchasing

 

            5              that and operating in the manner in which

 

            6              Daron Northeast has functioned all these

 

            7              year?

 

            8                      MR. MINORA: All I can really do is

 

            9              report back the legal situation as it is.

 

           10              Council's decision is council's decision.

 

           11                      MS. EVANS:  Did you inform Attorney

 

           12              Penetar that DEP suggested this?

 

           13                      MR. MINORA:  What I suggested to him

 

           14              was that we consider the possibility of

 

           15              whether or not to reduce this property from

 

           16              light industrial to commercial because that

 

           17              was basically what was asked to me by

 

           18              council and I explained to him the problems

 

           19              that have been there in the past and the

 

           20              suits and so forth, which he was aware of

 

           21              actually, none of this was news to him and

 

           22              so I asked if he could look at it and give

 

           23              me an opinion because it also requires

 

           24              looking at the surrounding properties which

 

           25              maybe moves it out of the role of being spot


 

 

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            1              zoning.  So, you know, that's why I asked

 

            2              him.  He is the expert in that.  He is

 

            3              sitting on that board.

 

            4                      MS. EVANS: Can you please relate to

 

            5              him though the fact that DEP in it's report

 

            6              of Daron Northeast suggested or recommended

 

            7              that the city rezone the area to prevent

 

            8              another business of this type from locating

 

            9              into that residential area?

 

           10                      MR. MINORA: I'll be glad to pass

 

           11              that onto him.  I suspect he is going to

 

           12              give me a legal opinion based on not DEP

 

           13              workload, but on the real legal questions.

 

           14              Dan is a very brilliant guy and

 

           15              knowledgeable in this area, so that's why I

 

           16              want to rely on him.

 

           17                      MS. EVANS: Thank you.  Also,

 

           18              Mr. Courtright, I was asked to give you

 

           19              this, it's the ordinance concerning noise

 

           20              levels.  It was dropped off at my house

 

           21              today and the neighbors of Daron Northeast

 

           22              state that the building is being dismantled

 

           23              and the noise continues and it has grown

 

           24              even worse and they asked me to ask you what

 

           25              they could do because it seems the police


 

 

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            1              haven't done anything.

 

            2                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Mr. Liptai gave it

 

            3              to me.  I have it.  He dropped it off to me.

 

            4              I spoke with Captain Graziano about this

 

            5              problem and he -- I had actually called him

 

            6              from this meeting because Mrs. Andrews asked

 

            7              me and he didn't off the top of the head the

 

            8              ordinance, he said he would look into it I

 

            9              told I would get a copy of it so I will

 

           10              forward it to him and he will have to make

 

           11              the officers and apprise them that are going

 

           12              out there of the ordinance and how to

 

           13              enforce it.  I truly believe need

 

           14              Mr. Wallace to get involved here, that's his

 

           15              department.  The police can absolutely

 

           16              enforce it, but I am going to ask Captain

 

           17              Graziano and, Kay, I will give him a copy of

 

           18              the order and ask him if he can't sit down

 

           19              with Mr. Wallace and try to get this

 

           20              straightened out once and for all.

 

           21                      MS. EVANS: That would be very much

 

           22              appreciated by all of those residents.

 

           23                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Mr. Liptai did give

 

           24              that to me.

 

           25                      MS. GATELLI: Mr. Wallace does use a


 

 

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            1              Mr. Guzek who we used in South Side on

 

            2              numerous occasions and he is a certified

 

            3              sound specialist and his testimony can be

 

            4              used in Court, so that's who Mr. Wallace

 

            5              would use.  Maybe you can suggest that he

 

            6              hire him.

 

            7                      MS. EVANS: Very good.

 

            8                      MS. GATELLI: And go over the noise

 

            9              levels.

 

           10                      MS. EVANS: Very good.  And, finally,

 

           11              I have a few requests for the week.  Fill

 

           12              potholes and a dip in the road in East

 

           13              Wyoming Avenue and Greenridge Street, and

 

           14              that's the second request.

 

           15                      A letter to Mr. Oleski,

 

           16              Mr. Seitzinger and Mr. Brazil, provide

 

           17              written responses to council previous

 

           18              requests on or before October 20, 2008,

 

           19              deadlines were ignored, and I would ask my

 

           20              colleagues that if we do not receive the

 

           21              responses by October 20 that we would agree

 

           22              to request a meeting with these department

 

           23              heads.  Yes?

 

           24                      MR. MCGOFF: Fine.

 

           25                      MS. EVANS: Thank you.  Kay, if you


 

 

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            1              would please determine the date of

 

            2              termination or renewal for the current cable

 

            3              TV contract?  And a letter to licensing,

 

            4              inspections and permits, what is the number

 

            5              of lawsuits filed against LIPS from the date

 

            6              of retirement of Mr. William Fiorini, former

 

            7              director, to October 14, 2008.  Please

 

            8              respond on or before October 27, 2008.  And

 

            9              that's it.

 

           10                      MR. MCGOFF: Mrs. Gatelli?

 

           11                      MS. GATELLI:  I just have a few

 

           12              things for Mrs. Garvey.  I sent a request to

 

           13              OECD several weeks ago regarding loans that

 

           14              were delinquent and I have not received an

 

           15              answer yet, if we could please resend that

 

           16              again for me.

 

           17                      Also, a note to Mr. Wallace.  I

 

           18              wrote him a letter in June about a tractor

 

           19              trailer that was parked on Pittston Avenue

 

           20              and Palm Street and it is still sitting

 

           21              there, so I would like to know.  He told me

 

           22              it was going to be removed, but it's still

 

           23              there and that was from June, so if he could

 

           24              either call me or let me know the status of

 

           25              that particular property.


 

 

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            1                      We talked about the Home Rule Study

 

            2              Commission tonight with Mrs. Schumacher and

 

            3              I think that it was misinterpreted that I

 

            4              wanted to know something about council

 

            5              members being at large or being from

 

            6              neighborhoods.  My intent was to reinstitute

 

            7              the Home Rule Study Commission.  The time

 

            8              has elapsed since the last one and their

 

            9              recommendations were defeated, but I think

 

           10              that it's time to do another one.

 

           11                      I think there are some changes that

 

           12              are necessary.  The people are elected to be

 

           13              on the commission and does take several

 

           14              years for them to meet and take in public

 

           15              input and then make their recommendations

 

           16              that are then put on the ballot, so I will

 

           17              make that tonight in the form of a motion

 

           18              that we start the process necessary to redo

 

           19              a new Home Rule Study Commission.

 

           20                      MS. EVANS: Didn't we already do

 

           21              that?

 

           22                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.

 

           23                      MS. GATELLI: She thinks I already

 

           24              made the motion, but let's do it again.

 

           25              Amil, I don't know why it didn't come out


 

 

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            1              the way I wanted it to, but we'll say it

 

            2              again and Bill seconded it.

 

            3                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?

 

            4                      MS. GATELLI:  For the record we will

 

            5              just do it again.

 

            6                      MR. MCGOFF:  All in favor signify by

 

            7              saying aye.

 

            8                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.

 

            9                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.

 

           10                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.

 

           11                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The

 

           12              ayes have it and so moved.

 

           13                      MS. GATELLI: Also, someone brought

 

           14              up sending a letter to Mike Hanley about the

 

           15              food pantries, I think it was Mr. Quinn, I

 

           16              think that's an excellent idea, Kay, and I

 

           17              think we should setup -- I will be seeing

 

           18              Mr. Hanley tomorrow at United Neighborhood

 

           19              Centers and I will tell him that the letter

 

           20              is coming, but to get to together with some

 

           21              of the groups and see what we can't do for

 

           22              the pantries.  I know that my parish, St.

 

           23              Francis of Assisi, we have very several

 

           24              drives a year for the pantries, but with the

 

           25              economy and the fiscal problems of the


 

 

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            1              federal government and the local and county

 

            2              government at this time, it behooves us to

 

            3              get everyone involved to have those pantries

 

            4              equipped for the winter.  So, we will send

 

            5              them a letter and I'll mention that to him

 

            6              tomorrow.

 

            7                      I hear a lot of people talking about

 

            8              getting a new cable provider.  It sounds

 

            9              real nice, but for a new -- I asked several

 

           10              people that were in the cable business from

 

           11              Verizon, and I forget the name of the other

 

           12              one that I talked to, and for them to even

 

           13              be interested to put in a proposal they

 

           14              would have to run all of their own wiring

 

           15              which would run approximately $8 million.

 

           16              So I think that's the reason that we see

 

           17              Comcast, and it was Adelphia before that,

 

           18              that got two very lucrative contracts from

 

           19              the past councils.  They had two 15-year

 

           20              contracts with the City of Scranton, and I

 

           21              think the second one was probably for that

 

           22              reason.  No one else is going to come here

 

           23              with the cable company because it would cost

 

           24              them too much money, so in essence Comcast

 

           25              has a monopoly with the City of Scranton as


 

 

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            1              far as I can see, and I have spoken to

 

            2              several people and maybe we could put some

 

            3              letters out to some cable companies to see

 

            4              if they are interested, as a council, you

 

            5              know, if you would want to do that, but

 

            6              those are the answers that I had received,

 

            7              that they would have to put all of their own

 

            8              optic cables in the whole City of Scranton

 

            9              which Comcast a/k/a Adelphia had done in the

 

           10              past, so that seems to be the problem.

 

           11                      I think that we should maybe send

 

           12              the mayor a letter for whatever it's worth,

 

           13              I will not be comfortable voting on a

 

           14              15-year contract and the last two councils,

 

           15              I don't remember who was on there at the

 

           16              time, but when they voted for 15-year

 

           17              contracts I just scratched my head, like,

 

           18              they must be crazy, you know, to give

 

           19              somebody a contract for 15 years.  That's a

 

           20              long time, so I would not be comfortable

 

           21              voting for a 15-year contract and if there

 

           22              is one up here I'm going to vote, no,

 

           23              because I criticized the two councils before

 

           24              me that did that, so I will be voting, no,

 

           25              and I don't know about anyone else up here


 

 

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            1              but I would like to right write the mayor a

 

            2              letter and say that we would definitely be

 

            3              opposed to a 15-year contract.

 

            4                      Congratulations to the Tripp Park

 

            5              Neighborhood Association.  I'm not sure if

 

            6              Dave Kester is the new president.  He had

 

            7              been president for many years now and he did

 

            8              a wonderful job at the community center.  He

 

            9              cut the grass at the Dorothy Street

 

           10              playground.  The city reimbursed him for

 

           11              keeping that property clean and it's a lot

 

           12              of work when you have a community center,

 

           13              and before him was the founder of the Tripp

 

           14              Park Neighborhood Association, Gene Malino,

 

           15              know who has since passed away, but Gene was

 

           16              the founder of the Tripp Park Neighborhood

 

           17              Association and did many good deeds for the

 

           18              Council of Neighborhoods by fighting the

 

           19              utility companies.  Gene was our utility

 

           20              person and he want to all of the hearings on

 

           21              behalf of the neighborhoods and we sure miss

 

           22              him doing that.

 

           23                      Zoning, Janet wants to zone at the

 

           24              Daron.  Besides the Daron I think there are

 

           25              numerous places where the zoning just isn't


 

 

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            1              right anymore.  There not a right fit with

 

            2              abutting neighborhoods, abutting

 

            3              neighborhood commercial.  We haven't had a

 

            4              new zoning ordinance since 1993, that's a

 

            5              long time to be living under the same zoning

 

            6              ordinance and that's why I think that we are

 

            7              having problems such as Daron and other

 

            8              businesses in neighborhoods zones.

 

            9                      I spoke to Donny King about this

 

           10              when I first got on council, I wanted

 

           11              proposals out for us to do a new zoning

 

           12              ordinance for the City of Scranton.  Zoning

 

           13              is probably the most important thing in a

 

           14              neighborhood is zoning.  Donny said that we

 

           15              were waiting for that Abington Planning

 

           16              Review thing to happen and then we were

 

           17              going to do a zoning, a new zoning plan.  I

 

           18              think that it's almost three years since I

 

           19              have been here and SAPA has not completed

 

           20              their mission yet, so I think that it's too

 

           21              long to be without a new zoning ordinance

 

           22              and that maybe we can do it in conjunction

 

           23              with SAPA, but I think that we need to at

 

           24              least put the request for proposals out

 

           25              because that in itself will take another two


 

 

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            1              years.  You know, the wheels of justice move

 

            2              slowly in government and everything seems to

 

            3              take an awful long time, so I would make a

 

            4              motion that we send a letter also to the

 

            5              mayor that we would like a request for

 

            6              proposals to begin a new zoning ordinance

 

            7              for the City of Scranton.

 

            8                      MS. EVANS: Second.

 

            9                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All

 

           10              in favor signify by saying aye.

 

           11                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.

 

           12                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.

 

           13                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.

 

           14                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The

 

           15              ayes have it and so moved.

 

           16                      MS. GATELLI:  Just a few more

 

           17              things, if you would like to call and you

 

           18              are in a restaurant and they are smoking,

 

           19              there is a hotline number to call, and I'm

 

           20              not sure if it's on Channel 61 yet, but

 

           21              maybe, Kay, is it on there?  It's

 

           22              1-877-835-9535, and that's the number to

 

           23              call for the Clean Indoor Air Act.

 

           24                      I also downloaded a report form

 

           25              which we will have in city council, I'll


 

 

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            1              give it to Kay and anyone that has a problem

 

            2              we can mail you one, you have to be a patron

 

            3              or a customer to fill out the form.  I was

 

            4              going to fill out one for Mr. Spindler, but

 

            5              when I read it, it said you have to be a

 

            6              patron, so we'll make sure we get one of

 

            7              these to Les and if anyone needs one they

 

            8              call the office and we can mail it to them.

 

            9                   I belong to AARP, in case you didn't

 

           10              know I'm over 50, just a little bit, and

 

           11              they sent me a notice about the electric

 

           12              rates which many of you know because we

 

           13              received it in our bill if you want to pay

 

           14              it in he escrow ahead of time because it's

 

           15              going to go up so much they are afraid we

 

           16              are not going to be able to afford the bills

 

           17              so we pay it ahead of time starting now, and

 

           18              I got this, It says Pennsylvania Lawmakers

 

           19              must fix our electric rate crisis not just

 

           20              delay it.  It says that the rates are going

 

           21              to rise dramatically in 2010 and Governor

 

           22              Rendell and the lawmakers are having

 

           23              meetings with the state utilities hammering

 

           24              a deal that will still allow the power

 

           25              companies to charge excessive price


 

 

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            1              increases.  It says we need true reform and

 

            2              it says to contact the governor and your

 

            3              state legislators that they fix the electric

 

            4              crisis.  Tell them you want to stop the move

 

            5              to complete the deregulation, require the

 

            6              utilities to give us electricity at the

 

            7              lowest cost possible, create a power

 

            8              authority to help utilities lower energy

 

            9              prices and don't mandate new smart meters

 

           10              without studying the cost and benefits to

 

           11              consumers.

 

           12                      I would like to make a motion that

 

           13              we send this request to the governor, to

 

           14              Kenny Smith, Frank Shimkus and Bob Mellow on

 

           15              behalf of the residents of our city that

 

           16              they do not go for complete deregulation and

 

           17              do the things that AARP has suggested, and

 

           18              I'll make that in the form of a motion.

 

           19                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Second.

 

           20                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All

 

           21              those in favor signify by saying aye.

 

           22                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.

 

           23                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.

 

           24                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.

 

           25                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


 

 

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            1              ayes have it and so moved.

 

            2                      MS. GATELLI:  And one last thing, I

 

            3              know I'm talking a lot tonight, my husband

 

            4              will be happy, maybe I'll be quiet when I

 

            5              get home.  The last thing is the South Side

 

            6              Revitalization is having a public input

 

            7              meeting on Wednesday, October 29, from 6 to

 

            8              8, at United States Neighborhood Centers at

 

            9              425 Alder Street.  They need your

 

           10              suggestions for bringing positive changes

 

           11              into your South Side neighborhood.  National

 

           12              consultants, Wallace, Roberts and Todd, will

 

           13              be on-hand to kick off the program, so you

 

           14              are certainly welcome to come and we

 

           15              encourage all South Side residents to be

 

           16              there.  We are also going to have our South

 

           17              Side residents' neighborhood meeting at this

 

           18              same time that evening to try to get more

 

           19              people there for the Elm Street program and

 

           20              I'm going to also ask Kay if we can get this

 

           21              put on Channel 61.  And that's all I have.

 

           22              Thank you.

 

           23                      MR. MCGOFF: Mr. Courtright?

 

           24                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Yeah, I want to

 

           25              thank the DPW workers, they filled some


 

 

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            1              potholes on Palmer Drive, I've always said

 

            2              how dangerous is its there and when the

 

            3              potholes are there it's a bad curve.  People

 

            4              go out in the other lane, as a matter of

 

            5              fact, this week the potholes were filled,

 

            6              this week somebody actually spun their car

 

            7              around and went into the woods on that

 

            8              curve.  Sometimes deer cross there, I don't

 

            9              know if they were trying to avoid a deer or

 

           10              what happened there, but I thank the DPW for

 

           11              helping me out with that.

 

           12                      You know, Mr. McGoff talked about

 

           13              the Steamtown Marathon and I have gone there

 

           14              every year I think for about the last six

 

           15              years, I like watching them come in, I

 

           16              admire those people and one thing I see each

 

           17              and every year this has gotten bigger and

 

           18              bigger, is the families of the people that

 

           19              run, the enthusiasm and the support they

 

           20              give the runners is something to see.  I

 

           21              stood there for several hours, you know, and

 

           22              just observed all of that and so a lot of

 

           23              credit to the family members, some of them

 

           24              travel from a distance and have their

 

           25              children with them and everything, and a lot


 

 

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            1              of support and I thought that was very nice.

 

            2                   We are talking about Comcast.  I have

 

            3              more than one person tell me in the last

 

            4              couple of weeks that what they are doing is

 

            5              they are going to just use the basic, the

 

            6              basic Comcast, which I belive it was

 

            7              somewhere around $17 or whatever because

 

            8              they don't want to miss Channel 61, and then

 

            9              they went and they got Direct TV in

 

           10              conjunction with that and it still came out

 

           11              cheaper than their actual Comcast bill.  I

 

           12              don't know what they can do in this city,

 

           13              but I have been told in other cities they

 

           14              have more than one provider, you know, some

 

           15              two and three, so maybe that's an option,

 

           16              but I think you got to get yourself a better

 

           17              deal than what we have going on now.

 

           18                      I would like to thank Scranton Today

 

           19              for offering the live feed.  I hope that

 

           20              ECTV will accept their offer and maybe they

 

           21              can work together and they will be back

 

           22              live.  I don't see why they wouldn't accept

 

           23              the offer, so hopefully they will work

 

           24              together, members of ECTV and Scranton

 

           25              Today.  I saw Mr. Finnerty and Mr. Migliore


 

 

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            1              talking out in the hallway, so I hope that's

 

            2              what they were talking about.

 

            3                      You know, we have talked about this

 

            4              $10,000 that went through the East Scranton

 

            5              Neighborhood Association and then over to

 

            6              ECTV, and if it's acceptable to everybody, I

 

            7              think maybe we looked into it already, but,

 

            8              Kay, maybe it we can ask Mrs. Aebli to just

 

            9              give us a full-blown report on this $10,000.

 

           10              Was it within the boundaries, was it not,

 

           11              did they avoid some of the rules?  Is there

 

           12              a possibility that that money is going to

 

           13              have to be returned?  Just if she can give

 

           14              us her professional opinion, she does run

 

           15              that department.  What is happening, was it

 

           16              right, was it not right and put something in

 

           17              writing to this council so we can see.

 

           18                      I don't know, I heard Mrs. Evans ask

 

           19              Mr. Darcy about the money and I believe he

 

           20              said some of it was used for salaries, was

 

           21              it not?  You know, I was under the

 

           22              impression that it couldn't be used for

 

           23              that, you know, and I'm a little confused at

 

           24              this point and I think maybe the public is

 

           25              too.  So, if she can clarify that as soon as


 

 

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            1              possible I would appreciate that if that's

 

            2              agreeable to everybody else?

 

            3                      MS. EVANS: Yes.  But if you review

 

            4              the memorandum drafted by Attorney Minora it

 

            5              includes the only paperwork on that $10,000,

 

            6              copies of the only paperwork on that $10,000

 

            7              transaction and that was a thank you letter

 

            8              from Mr. McDonough and Mr. Darcy to OECD and

 

            9              a copy of the check.

 

           10                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Right.  And being

 

           11              that Mrs. Aebli is the head of that

 

           12              department ultimately, you know, if HUD were

 

           13              to come in and check on it she would be the

 

           14              one that would have to do the answering, so

 

           15              she has been pretty fair with me, you know,

 

           16              she has given me anything I have ever asked

 

           17              to be honest with you, so maybe we can ask

 

           18              her and if see could do that, Kay, as soon

 

           19              as possible we would appreciate it and let's

 

           20              put this $10,000 to rest one way or the

 

           21              other.  And that's all I have.

 

           22                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr.

 

           23              Courtright.  Very quickly a few things.  As

 

           24              far as Comcast is concerned, one of the

 

           25              things that I think we should really push


 

 

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            1              for is some type of competitive bidding

 

            2              process once this contract is completed.  I

 

            3              know, as Mrs. Gatelli said, that other

 

            4              providers are reluctant to get involved

 

            5              because of the expense, but I think that we

 

            6              really have to at least provide the option

 

            7              for a competitive bidding process.

 

            8                      Also, I think that we have to be

 

            9              more -- that when the time comes and a

 

           10              contract is signed with or proposed with any

 

           11              provider that there has to be some stringent

 

           12              wording in that contract to protect those

 

           13              people who are paying for that service since

 

           14              it does essentially become a monopoly, we

 

           15              can't allow one company to just raise rates,

 

           16              you know, whenever they want and take away

 

           17              services as they will.  I know I have had

 

           18              numerous complaints from friends who have

 

           19              Comcast, and I just think that knowing what

 

           20              we know about the contracts that there needs

 

           21              to be some hard work done before a new one

 

           22              is completed.

 

           23                      Also, Mr. Dobson, I think that your

 

           24              question about Channel 62 is very legitimate

 

           25              and I will make some attempt to find out


 

 

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            1              what the intent for Channel 62 is as far as

 

            2              programming.  I know at one time I believe

 

            3              the intent was supposed to be that Channel

 

            4              61 would be for governmental programming and

 

            5              Channel 62 was going to be for more

 

            6              cultural, social/cultural programming.  I

 

            7              don't know if that is still the plan, I

 

            8              don't know have Comcast so I don't see

 

            9              either channel, but I will see if I can find

 

           10              out.  I think that's a real legitimate

 

           11              question since there are two PEG channels,

 

           12              you know, what's happening with the second.

 

           13                   And let's move to Fifth Order.  Prior

 

           14              to Fifth Order I would like to make a motion

 

           15              to appoint Mrs. Gatelli as temporary chair

 

           16              for Community Development.  On the question?

 

           17              All in favor signify by saying aye.

 

           18                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.

 

           19                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.

 

           20                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.

 

           21                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The

 

           22              ayes have it and so moved.  Mrs. Garvey?

 

           23                      MS. GARVEY: FIFTH ORDER.  5-B.

 

           24              Before I read it I just want to make a

 

           25              correction that one of the names is


 

 

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            1              misspelled in the legislation and I will

 

            2              take care and make sure that is the proper

 

            3              spelling to put back into it.

 

            4                      MS. EVANS: I have an additional

 

            5              concern though because it's listing Public

 

            6              Access Channel 61 and 62 and I know in our

 

            7              original legislation we had discussed that

 

            8              and I think we eliminated the numbers and

 

            9              replaced that with all PEG channels since

 

           10              the numbers could change more often than we

 

           11              anticipate.

 

           12                      MS. GATELLI:  I think they are

 

           13              changing already.

 

           14                      MS. EVANS: In November.

 

           15                      MS. GATELLI: Six and nine or

 

           16              something.

 

           17                      MR. MCGOFF: Didn't we just put in

 

           18              something?

 

           19                      MS. GATELLI:  PEG channels.

 

           20                      MR. MCGOFF: But, I think we also

 

           21              just indicated by saying something to the

 

           22              effect of management of public access

 

           23              channels now designated as 61 and 62.

 

           24                      MS. EVANS: That's fine.

 

           25                      MR. MCGOFF: All it needs is the


 

 

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            1              additional one word.

 

            2                      MR. MINORA: Can I suggest the motion

 

            3              that maybe embodies what you are

 

            4              questioning?  Amending 5-B to say, "FOR

 

            5              INTRODUCTION - A RESOLUTION - PURSUANT TO

 

            6              FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 32 OF 2008, AS AMENDED,

 

            7              THE FOLLOWING PEOPLE HAVE BEEN APPOINTED BY

 

            8              CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS TO THE OVERSIGHT

 

            9              COMMITTEE TO ACT AS AN ADVISORY BOARD ONLY

 

           10              TO OVERSEE THE MANAGEMENT OF ALL PUBLIC

 

           11              ACCESS CHANNELS BY ELECTRIC CITY TV," and

 

           12              then their names.  Does that work?

 

           13                      MR. MCGOFF: That would and fine.

 

           14              Anyone else?

 

           15                      MR. MINORA: You need that as a

 

           16              motion then to amend.

 

           17                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I'll make a motion

 

           18              that we amend 5-A to say all public access

 

           19              channels -- 5-B, all public access channels

 

           20              operated by Electric City TV to the Comcast

 

           21              cable system.

 

           22                      MS. EVANS: Second.

 

           23                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All

 

           24              in favor signify by saying aye.

 

           25                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


 

 

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            1                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.

 

            2                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.

 

            3                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The

 

            4              ayes have it and so moved.

 

            5                      MS. GARVEY: 5-B.  FOR INTRODUCTION -

 

            6              A RESOLUTION - PURSUANT TO FILE OF THE

 

            7              COUNCIL NO. 32, 2008, AS AMENDED THE

 

            8              FOLLOWING PEOPLE HAVE BEEN APPOINTED BY CITY

 

            9              COUNCIL MEMBERS TO THE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE

 

           10              TO ACT AS AN ADVISORY BOARD ONLY TO OVERSEE

 

           11              THE MANAGEMENT OF ALL PUBLIC ACCESS CHANNELS

 

           12              BY ELECTRIC CITY TELEVISION ("ECTV") THROUGH

 

           13              THE COMCAST CABLE SYSTEM: JACK FINNERTY,

 

           14              MARK MONAHAN, TOM WELBY, JAMES COYLE AND

 

           15              KAREN BAZZARI.

 

           16                      MR. MCGOFF: At this I'll entertain a

 

           17              motion that Item 5-B be introduced into it's

 

           18              proper committee.

 

           19                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.

 

           20                      MS. EVANS: Second.

 

           21                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?  All in

 

           22              favor signify by saying aye.

 

           23                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.

 

           24                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.

 

           25                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


 

 

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            1                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The

 

            2              ayes have it and so moved.

 

            3                      MS. GARVEY: SIXTH ORDER.  NO

 

            4              BUSINESS AT THIS TIME.  SEVENTH ORDER.  7-A.

 

            5              FOR CONSIDERATION BY THE COMMITTEE ON

 

            6              FINANCE - FOR ADOPTION - FILE OF COUNCIL NO.

 

            7              42, 2008- SALE OF TAX DELINQUENT PROPERTY

 

            8              MORE COMMONLY KNOWN AS 902-908 NORTH

 

            9              WASHINGTON AVENUE, SCRANTON, PENNSYLVANIA,

 

           10              TO ALFRED D. PANTUSO, SR., RD #2, BOX 2165,

 

           11              MOSCOW, PENNSYLVANIA, 18444, FOR THE

 

           12              CONSIDERATION OF $8,000.00.

 

           13                      MR. MCGOFF: What is the

 

           14              recommendation of the Chairperson for the

 

           15              Committee on Finance?

 

           16                      MS. GATELLI:  As Chair for the

 

           17              Committee on Finance, I recommend final

 

           18              passage of 7-A.

 

           19                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.

 

           20                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  Roll

 

           21              call, please.

 

           22                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.

 

           23                      MS. EVANS:  Yes.

 

           24                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Gatelli.

 

           25                      MS. GATELLI.  Yes.


 

 

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            1                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.  Mr.

 

            2              Courtright.

 

            3                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Yes.

 

            4                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.

 

            5                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes.  I hereby declare

 

            6              item 7-A legally and lawfully adopted.

 

            7                      MS. GARVEY: 7-B. FOR CONSIDERATION

 

            8              BY THE COMMITTEE ON FINANCE - FOR ADOPTION -

 

            9              FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 43 , 2008 (AS AMENDED)

 

           10              SALE OF TAX DELINQUENT PROPERTY MORE

 

           11              COMMONLY KNOWN AS 2110 CAPOUSE AVENUE,

 

           12              SCRANTON, PENNSYLVANIA, TO MARK F. AND

 

           13              CHRISTINE L. FRYER, 902 WOODLAWN STREET,

 

           14              SCRANTON, PENNSYLVANIA, 18509, FOR THE

 

           15              CONSIDERATION OF $2,000.00.

 

           16                      MR. MCGOFF: What is the

 

           17              recommendation of the Chair for the

 

           18              Committee on Finance?

 

           19                      MS. GATELLI: As Chair for the

 

           20              Committee on Finance, I recommend final

 

           21              passage of 7-B.

 

           22                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.

 

           23                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  Roll

 

           24              call, please?

 

           25                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.


 

 

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            1                      MS. EVANS:  Yes.

 

            2                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Gatelli.

 

            3                      MS. GATELLI.  Yes.

 

            4                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.  Mr.

 

            5              Courtright.

 

            6                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Yes.

 

            7                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.

 

            8                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes.  I hereby declare

 

            9              Item 7-B legally and lawfully adopted.

 

           10                      MS. GARVEY: 7-C. FOR CONSIDERATION -

 

           11              BY THE COMMITTEE ON FINANCE - FOR ADOPTION -

 

           12              FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 44, 2008 - SALE OF TAX

 

           13              DELINQUENT PROPERTY MORE COMMONLY KNOWN AS

 

           14              902-904 MADISON AVENUE, SCRANTON,

 

           15              PENNSYLVANIA, TO STEVEN ANDERS AND WILIM NG,

 

           16              RR 2, BOX 2051, STROUDSBURG, PENNSYLVANIA,

 

           17              18360, FOR THE CONSIDERATION OF $5,000.00.

 

           18                      MR. MCGOFF: What the recommendation

 

           19              for the Chair for the Committee on Finance?

 

           20                      MS. GATELLI: As Chair for Finance, I

 

           21              recommend final passage of 7-C.

 

           22                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Second.

 

           23                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  Roll

 

           24              call, please?

 

           25                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.


 

 

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            1                      MS. EVANS:  Yes.

 

            2                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Gatelli.

 

            3                      MS. GATELLI.  Yes.

 

            4                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.  Mr.

 

            5              Courtright.

 

            6                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Yes.

 

            7                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.

 

            8                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes.  I hereby declare

 

            9              Item 7-C legally and lawfully adopted.

 

           10                      MS. GARVEY: 7-D.

 

           11              FOR CONSIDERATION BY THE COMMITTEE ON RULES

 

           12              - FOR ADOPTION -  RESOLUTION NO. 71, 2008 -

 

           13              APPOINTMENT OF ELMER J. NALEVANKO, 1000

 

           14              RICHMONT STREET, SCRANTON, PENNSYLVANIA,

 

           15              18509, AS A MEMBER OF THE ETHICS COMMISSION,

 

           16              EFFECTIVE JULY 13, 2007.  MR. NALEVANKO WILL

 

           17              BE REPLACING LORAYNE TALLO WHOSE TERM

 

           18              EXPIRED ON JULY 12, 2007.  MR. NALEVANKO'S

 

           19              TERM WILL EXPIRE ON JULY 12, 2012.

 

           20                      MR. MCGOFF: As Chairperson for the

 

           21              Committee on Rules, I recommend final

 

           22              passage of Item 7-D.

 

           23                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.

 

           24                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  Roll

 

           25              call, please?


 

 

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            1                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.

 

            2                      MS. EVANS:  Yes.

 

            3                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Gatelli.

 

            4                      MS. GATELLI.  Yes.

 

            5                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.  Mr.

 

            6              Courtright.

 

            7                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Yes.

 

            8                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.

 

            9                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes.  I hereby declare

 

           10              Item 7-D legally and lawfully adopted.

 

           11                      MS. GARVEY: 7-E. FOR CONSIDERATION -

 

           12              BY THE COMMITTEE ON RULES -  FOR ADOPTION -

 

           13              RESOLUTION NO. 72, 2008 - RE-APPOINTMENT OF

 

           14              KEVIN A. ICKER, 108 ABBY WAY, SCRANTON,

 

           15              PENNSYLVANIA, 18504, AS A MEMBER OF THE

 

           16              ETHICS COMMISSION.  MR. ICKER'S TERM EXPIRED

 

           17              ON JULY 12, 2006.  MR. ICKER'S NEW

 

           18              TERM WILL EXPIRE ON JULY 12, 2011.

 

           19                      MR. MCGOFF: As Chair for the

 

           20              Committee on Rules, I recommend final

 

           21              passage of Item 7-E.

 

           22                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.

 

           23                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?  Roll

 

           24              call, please?  I'm sorry.

 

           25                      MS. EVANS:  I many not going to be


 

 

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            1              voting in favor of this piece of legislation

 

            2              because Mr. Icker would have been party to

 

            3              the problems experienced by that group that

 

            4              had filed an ethics complaint which had

 

            5              never been addressed.

 

            6                      MR. MCGOFF:  Anyone else?  Roll

 

            7              call, please?

 

            8                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.

 

            9                      MS. EVANS:  No.

 

           10                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Gatelli.

 

           11                      MS. GATELLI.  Yes.

 

           12                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.  Mr.

 

           13              Courtright.

 

           14                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Yes.

 

           15                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.

 

           16                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes.  I hereby declare

 

           17              Item 7-E legally and lawfully adopted.

 

           18                      MS. GARVEY: 7-F.  FOR CONSIDERATION

 

           19              - BY THE COMMITTEE ON COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT

 

           20              -  FOR ADOPTION - RESOLUTION NO. 73, 2008 -

 

           21              AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND OTHER APPROPRIATE

 

           22              CITY OFFICIALS TO EXECUTE AND ENTER INTO A

 

           23              MEMORANDUM OF AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE UNITED

 

           24              STATES DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR NATIONAL

 

           25              PARK SERVICE AND THE CITY OF SCRANTON,


 

 

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            1              PENNSYLVANIA OFFICE OF ECONOMIC AND

 

            2              COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT FOR THE PURPOSE OF

 

            3              AUTHORIZING THE CITY TO UNDERTAKE AND MANAGE

 

            4              CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITIES AT THE STEAMTOWN

 

            5              NATIONAL HISTORIC SITE (THE "PARK") THAT IS

 

            6              INCLUDED IN THE 500 BLOCK OF LACKAWANNA

 

            7              AVENUE PROJECT ENTITLED "PARK, PLAZA AND

 

            8              PEDESTRIAN COURT.

 

            9                      MR. MCGOFF: What is the

 

           10              recommendation of the temporary chair for

 

           11              the Committee on Community Development.

 

           12                      MS. GATELLI: As Chair for the

 

           13              Committee on Community Development, I

 

           14              recommend final passage of Item 7-F.

 

           15                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.

 

           16                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?

 

           17                      MS. EVANS: The 500-block of

 

           18              Lackawanna Avenue project doesn't include

 

           19              two anchor city businesses, therefore, I

 

           20              will be voting, no, even though it is a very

 

           21              worthy project.

 

           22                      MR. MCGOFF: Roll call, please?

 

           23                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.

 

           24                      MS. EVANS:  No.

 

           25                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Gatelli.


 

 

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            1                      MS. GATELLI.  Yes.

 

            2                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.  Mr.

 

            3              Courtright.

 

            4                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Yes.

 

            5                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.

 

            6                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes.  I hereby declare

 

            7              Item 7-F legally and lawfully adopted.

 

            8                      MS. GARVEY: 7-G. FOR CONSIDERATION -

 

            9              BY THE COMMITTEE ON PUBLIC SAFETY-  FOR

 

           10              ADOPTION - RESOLUTION NO. 74, 2008 -

 

           11              AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND OTHER APPROPRIATE

 

           12              CITY OFFICIALS TO EXECUTE AND ENTER INTO AN

 

           13              AMENDMENT TO THE MASTER EQUIPMENT LEASE-

 

           14              PURCHASE AGREEMENT LEASE NO. 6293000 BETWEEN

 

           15              THE CITY OF SCRANTON AND FORD MOTOR CREDIT

 

           16              COMPANY FOR THE LEASE- PURCHASE OF SEVEN (7)

 

           17              NEW 2008 POLICE VEHICLES.

 

           18                      MR. MCGOFF: What is the

 

           19              recommendation of the Chairperson for the

 

           20              Committee on Public Safety.

 

           21                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  As Chairperson for

 

           22              the Committee on Public Safety, I recommend

 

           23              final passage of Item 7-G.

 

           24                      MS. EVANS: Second.

 

           25                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?  Roll


 

 

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            1              call, please?

 

            2                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.

 

            3                      MS. EVANS:  Yes.

 

            4                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Gatelli.

 

            5                      MS. GATELLI.  Yes.

 

            6                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.  Mr.

 

            7              Courtright.

 

            8                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Yes.

 

            9                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.

 

           10                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes.  I hereby declare

 

           11              Item 7-G legally and lawfully adopted.

 

           12                      MS. GARVEY: 7-H. FOR CONSIDERATION

 

           13              BY THE COMMITTEE ON PUBLIC SAFETY - FOR

 

           14              ADOPTION - RESOLUTION NO. 75, 2008 - A

 

           15              RESOLUTION IN SUPPORT OF HOUSE BILL 1768.

 

           16                      MR. MCGOFF: What is the

 

           17              recommendation of the Chairperson for the

 

           18              Committee on Public Safety?

 

           19                      MR. COURTRIGHT: As Chairperson for

 

           20              the Committee on Public Safety, I recommend

 

           21              final passage of Item 7-H.

 

           22                      MS. EVANS: Second.

 

           23                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?  Roll

 

           24              call, please?

 

           25                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.


 

 

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            1                      MS. EVANS:  Yes.

 

            2                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Gatelli.

 

            3                      MS. GATELLI.  Yes.

 

            4                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.  Mr.

 

            5              Courtright.

 

            6                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Yes.

 

            7                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.

 

            8                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes.  I hereby declare

 

            9              Item 7-H legally and lawfully adopted.  A

 

           10              motion to adjourn, please?

 

           11                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  So moved.

 

           12                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you for your

 

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            3        I hereby certify that the proceedings and

 

            4   evidence are contained fully and accurately in the

 

            5   notes of testimony taken by me at the hearing of the

 

            6   above-captioned matter and that the foregoing is a true

 

            7   and correct transcript of the same to the best of my

 

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