SCRANTON CITY COUNCIL MEETING







            5                 Tuesday, October 14, 2008




            7                        LOCATION:


            8                    Council Chambers


            9                 Scranton City Hall


           10              340 North Washington Avenue


           11                Scranton, Pennsylvania













































                MS. JANET E. EVANS



            8   MS. SHERRY FANUCCI (Not Present)



                MR. WILLIAM COURTRIGHT



           11   MS. KAY GARVEY, CITY CLERK






           14   MR. AMIL MINORA, SOLICITOR




























            1                      (Pledge of Allegiance recited and


            2              moment of reflection observed.)


            3                      MR. MCGOFF:  Roll call, please.


            4                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.


            5                      MS. EVANS:  Here.


            6                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Gatelli.


            7                      MS. GATELLI.  Here.


            8                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.  Mr.


            9              Courtright.


           10                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Here.


           11                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.


           12                      MR. MCGOFF:  Here.  Dispense with


           13              the reading of the minutes.  For the record,


           14              I would like to note that Mrs. Fanucci


           15              informed council that she would not be able


           16              to attend this evening's meeting.  Third


           17              order.


           18                      MS. GARVEY: THIRD ORDER.  3-A.






           21              31, 2008.


           22                      MR. MCGOFF:  Are there any comments?


           23              If not, received and filed.


           24                      MS. GARVEY:  That's it for Third


           25              Order.






            1                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mrs. Garvey.


            2              Mr. Courtright, I know you wanted to say


            3              something.


            4                      MR. COURTRIGHT: If I may, former


            5              Councilman Dan Noone was in an automobile


            6              accident and is currently in the hospital,


            7              so if everybody could just keep him in your


            8              prayers that would be appreciated.  And I


            9              just have one announcement that was sent to


           10              all of us, I hope you don't mind me reading


           11              it.  Monday, October 20, 2008, 7:00 p.m. at


           12              Kilcoyne's Bar at 129 Main Avenue in West


           13              Scranton a benefit for Tony Masosky who is


           14              diagnosed with large B-cell lymphoma.  Tony


           15              is married to Christine Stulgis Masosky and


           16              they have a teenage son named Allen, and so


           17              the fundraiser again is on the 20th, it's a


           18              Monday evening at 7:00 and guests bartenders


           19              will be Calina McNichols, Tom Welby and


           20              myself, and that's all.  Thank you.


           21                      MS. EVANS: May I?  First of all,


           22              before I read the announcements that I have


           23              I would like to commend our council


           24              president, Mr. McGoff, for running the


           25              Steamtown Marathon, and that's quite a feat






            1              that I know I personally would never


            2              undertake.  I make a very good spectator,


            3              but certainly not a participant, so


            4              congratulations to you, Mr. McGoff.


            5                      The Upper Hill Ecumenical Committee


            6              comprised of Myrtle Street Methodist Church,


            7              Immaculate Conception Church and St. Peter's


            8              Angelical Lutheran Church will conduct a


            9              pancake, sausage breakfast from 7:00 to 11


           10              a.m. on October 25.  The breakfast will be


           11              held in the social hall of St. Peter's


           12              Lutheran Church corner of Ash Street and


           13              Taylor Avenue.  The hall is handicapped


           14              accessible.  Tickets are $5.00 for adults


           15              and $3.00 for children.  Proceeds will go to


           16              St. Francis of Assisi kitchen in Scranton.


           17                      Also, a Friendly's Family Fun Night


           18              will conducted tomorrow, October 15, between


           19              the hours of 5 and 8 p.m.  A percentage of


           20              the food receipts from all of those eating


           21              in or dining out will be donated to St.


           22              Francis of Assisi Kitchen in Scranton.  You


           23              can make a difference in the lives of others


           24              by participating in both of these events and


           25              encouraging others to do so as well.






            1                      The Unico Tram of Terror will


            2              operate from Shookie's at Nay Aug Park on


            3              Friday and Saturday evenings beginning at


            4              dusk.  Adult tickets are $5.00 and children


            5              are $3.00.  Bring the family and enjoy a


            6              terror filled good time.


            7                      And, finally, the Genisis Wildlife


            8              Center will conduct a fall fund fair at Nay


            9              Aug Park in Scranton this Saturday,


           10              October 18, in front of the wildlife center


           11              from 12 to 4 p.m. All money raised goes to


           12              the animals.  There will games, hot dogs,


           13              coffee, hot chocolate, pony rides, so,


           14              please, bring your children and have some


           15              fun on a brisk autumn afternoon.  Thank you.


           16                      MS. GATELLI:  I just have one.


           17              Tomorrow evening at West Scranton High


           18              School at 6:30 the resource officer of our


           19              school, Officer Steve Carroll, will be


           20              giving a presentation to the public and


           21              especially to the parents of students of


           22              West Scranton on bullying and cyberbullying.


           23              He will also be accompanied by two district


           24              attorneys from Andy Jarbola's office.  If


           25              you do not know, starting in January of this






            1              coming year all school districts in


            2              Pennsylvania will have to have an


            3              anti-bullying policy in their school


            4              district, so it's very, very important that


            5              parents and the public attend this very


            6              important session.  Thank you.


            7                      MR. MCGOFF: I hesitate to do this as


            8              Mr. Courtright has said in the past, as soon


            9              as you mention somebody's name you probably


           10              forget three others, but as Mrs. Evans said,


           11              the Steamtown Marathon was held this past


           12              weekend on Sunday.  Once again it attracted


           13              somewhere around 1,900 applicants, I think


           14              over 1,500 finishers of the marathon.  I


           15              would like to just commend, again, the


           16              organization of the Steamtown Marathon, Bill


           17              King, from the Scranton School District,


           18              Jack Marks, Jim Cummings, John McGovern, the


           19              committee members that I'm familiar with.


           20              Also, Vince Fedor was this year's honorary


           21              director, Vince is a long-time coach,


           22              cross-country coach and distance runner and


           23              also I am going to -- some of the people


           24              that work within the city that were


           25              participants in the marathon are finishers,






            1              I know Dan Duffy and Tommy Lee from the


            2              Scranton Police Department.  Jack Davis and


            3              Tom Davis from the Scranton Fire Department.


            4              Paul O'Hora from flood control.  I know Jack


            5              and Paul -- Jack Davis and Paul O'Hora ran


            6              somewhere around three hours which a great


            7              time for a marathon, and Don Davis from DPW


            8              was also a participant.  If I have left out


            9              anybody I'm sure I will hear, but,


           10              congratulations to all of them.  It was,


           11              again, a great event.  It brings a number of


           12              people to the city, hotels were filled and


           13              everybody that I speak to concerning the


           14              Steamtown Marathon feels it's one of the


           15              best races of it's kind in the country and


           16              it brings -- every year brings people from


           17              all over the United States and I think this


           18              year from three foreign countries to


           19              Scranton for the marathon.  So, again,


           20              congratulations to the organizers.  And we


           21              will move to Fourth Order.  Citizens'


           22              participation.  Marie Schumacher.


           23                      MS. SCHUMACHER: Good evening.  Marie


           24              Schumacher, city resident and member of the


           25              Taxpayers' organization.  And I, too, would






            1              like to congratulate Mr. McGoff for


            2              finishing -- how many lapse around Scranton


            3              lake is that?


            4                      MR. MCGOFF: Eight plus.


            5                      MS. SCHUMACHER: So just like you do


            6              almost everyday; right?


            7                      MS. GATELLI: I can only do five.


            8                      MS. SCHUMACHER: I'll witness that


            9              any day you are ready.  Mrs. Gatelli, can


           10              you or will you testimony me if we will have


           11              a 2007 city audit before the budget is


           12              released on 11-15?


           13                      MS. GATELLI: I will find out for


           14              you.


           15                      MS. SCHUMACHER: Thank you.  And


           16              awhile back you talked about the need for


           17              Home Rule Charter review where does that


           18              effort stand, and if you can answer me now


           19              because I can't stay for motions tonight.


           20                      MS. GATELLI:  You want the answer


           21              now?


           22                      MS. SCHUMACHER: Yes, if you would.


           23                      MS. GATELLI:  I did ask Attorney


           24              Minora.


           25                      MR. MINORA:  The research indicated






            1              two things, if the Home Rule Charter is


            2              amended to elect council people by district


            3              or from by district at large, then they


            4              don't have to go through the entire process


            5              of a Home Rule Charter, but if it's other


            6              amendments they actually have to go through


            7              the entire process as though, basically as


            8              though you didn't have a charter to begin


            9              with, so it's --


           10                      MS. GATELLI:  And, Attorney Minora,


           11              would council have to start to proceed?


           12                      MR. MINORA: Council could.  Council


           13              could.


           14                      MS. GATELLI:  Because I know if it's


           15              a five-year period you have to wait from the


           16              last commission that was elected because


           17              they run, they are elected to be Home Rule


           18              Study Commission.


           19                      MR. MINORA: Correct.


           20                      MS. SCHUMACHER: So, we can expect


           21              that to move forward?


           22                      MS. GATELLI: I would like to move it


           23              forward, yes, I don't know if my colleagues.


           24                      MS. SCHUMACHER: Well, you can take


           25              that up later, but--






            1                      MS. GATELLI: I think we should it,


            2              yes.


            3                      MS. SCHUMACHER:  That was sufficient


            4              for now, I don't know since you are Finance


            5              Chair if you are the proper person to ask or


            6              just ask it at large, but have there been


            7              any status reports on the ongoing forensic


            8              audit of the Single Tax Office?  Has one


            9              being requested, a status report being


           10              requested and is there a --


           11                      MS. GATELLI: Yes, there has been


           12              requested and they said that the audit


           13              should be finished within 60 days.


           14                      MS. SCHUMACHER: That was when?


           15                      MS. GATELLI: About a week ago.


           16                      MS. SCHUMACHER: And then,


           17              Mrs. Evans, have you received a copy of the


           18              guidelines that LIPS inspectors give to


           19              homeowners when they condemn a property that


           20              tells the homeowners of their rights and


           21              responsibilities and what code has been


           22              violated?


           23                      MS. EVANS: No, I have not.


           24                      MS. SCHUMACHER:  I know you have


           25              asked twice, maybe in motions you could make






            1              it a third, go for three.


            2                      MS. EVANS: Surely.


            3                      MS. SCHUMACHER: Boston is on


            4              tonight.  And with respect to what ECTV said


            5              tonight to go back to that just a minute


            6              because Mr. Darcy under oath testified from


            7              this very podium at the zoning hearing that


            8              all they were paying was $1.00 per year


            9              lease and tonight he said it's ECTV is


           10              paying a dollar a year plus utilities and


           11              plus half of the taxes, which I questioned


           12              whether he even knows who his landlord is


           13              because he should know that that is a tax


           14              exempt property because it's held by


           15              Lackawanna Institute, and I would also


           16              suggest that since it's being used for a


           17              purpose that is outside of the realm of the


           18              Lackawanna Institute's charter that you


           19              might want to go back to the assessor and


           20              have that property reassessed and it might


           21              be taxable.  So, that's just something to


           22              look into.


           23                      And the rest of my time tonight I


           24              was going to spend talking with Mrs. Fanucci


           25              because I have a number of questions, but I






            1              guess she can read it in the minutes when


            2              they are published.  Back on September 2 I


            3              sent a letter to OECD and asked why 11 loans


            4              that you as council had approved during the


            5              last year were not contained on the CDBG in


            6              their paper where they report on economic


            7              development activities and loans, and I


            8              identified them and the amounts and I really


            9              don't understand their response because they


           10              told me in essence several of them were from


           11              funds other -- from UDAG funds and a couple


           12              of enterprise zone grants, but seven of


           13              those ten loans when they were presented to


           14              council were presented as commercial


           15              industrial loans, and one in particular


           16              really, and that's the way eight on the


           17              Caper report were also presented the same


           18              way, they had the exact same account numbers


           19              and, as a matter of fact, there is one here


           20              and then I'll finish up with this, it's a


           21              loan that's reported on the Caper to Paul


           22              Nardone in the amount of $65,000 on


           23              August 30 of last year and what they -- and


           24              despite the fact that OECD's response to my


           25              Right to Know claims that the outrageous






            1              loan in the amount of $65,000 was a CDBG


            2              revolving loan and as such it would not


            3              appear on the listing.


            4                      Coincidentally, council minutes of


            5              7-12-07 presents a loan funded from the


            6              commercial industrial loan program in an


            7              amount not to exceed $65,000 to Paul Nardone


            8              doing business as Outrageous.  I would


            9              contend they are one in the same, so they


           10              have in on the report, but --


           11                      MR. MCGOFF: I was going to suggest


           12              that if you have questions for Mrs. Fanucci


           13              if you would just give them to Mr. Coolican


           14              and he can forward them to Mrs. Fanucci.


           15                      MS. SCHUMACHER: Okay.  I'll e-mail


           16              them to her.  Thank you very much.


           17                      MR. MCGOFF:  Ozzie Quinn.


           18                      MR. QUINN: Ozzie Quinn, Taxpayers'


           19              Association.  I'm coming here today as


           20              president of the Taxpayers' Association


           21              because we want to ask council if they would


           22              consider something.  You know, last Saturday


           23              in the Times-Tribune there was a very


           24              alarming statement and it really shook me up


           25              and that's what I want to speak about






            1              tonight and it was made by Mike Hanley, who


            2              is the executive director of the United


            3              Neighborhood Centers, and I'm going to read


            4              it verbatim, okay?  He said, "We are seeing


            5              new faces coming through our door," he said,


            6              "lots of new faces, people who used to be


            7              donors.  People are coming to us looking for


            8              food assistance and we have tuna fish and


            9              grapefruit juice to offer them."


           10                      That sort of scares me, okay, that


           11              there are people that are actually -- they


           12              are actually donors that are now going to


           13              the food pantries and the food pantries are


           14              empty, as he said, grapefruit juice and tuna


           15              fish, so what I really would like to do, you


           16              know, it's a serious situation, very


           17              serious, and it's going to be get more


           18              serious, as we know, because of the economic


           19              conditions that prevail today and I would


           20              like to try and if someone would make a


           21              motion or arrange that we have a meeting


           22              with Mr. Hanley and Mrs. Siconolfi, the


           23              bankers, the person for the county who runs


           24              the communities service block grant and the


           25              state that runs the community service block






            1              grant and the OECD and other people to sit


            2              down at a round table to see what we can do


            3              to come up with some way of funding these


            4              pantries this winter.  It's a very serious


            5              situation and I don't know if a lot of


            6              people are going to make it.


            7                      Thank God for the school district


            8              that some of these kids are going to be able


            9              to at least get a meal --


           10                      MS. GATELLI: Two meals.


           11                      MR. QUINN: Or two meals, which is


           12              great, so I'm asking to please consider some


           13              kind of a meeting, a motion and we would be


           14              glad to participate in it and give you some


           15              names so that we could raise some funds or


           16              sources of funding maybe if it's Washington


           17              or whatnot to shake the tree and get some


           18              monies in here to stock these pantries.  I'd


           19              appreciate if you could do that, okay?


           20              Thank you.


           21                      MR. MCGOFF:  Thank you, Mr. Quinn.


           22              Andy Sbaraglia.


           23                      MR. SBARAGLIA: Andy Sbaraglia,


           24              citizen of Scranton.  Fellow Scrantonians,


           25              on your agenda items for consideration for






            1              adoption, 7-G, attached with that there was


            2              a stipulation from this Ford, what do they


            3              call it, Ford Motor, Ford Credit Company


            4              limiting the amount we could borrow, have


            5              you any idea why that was put into our


            6              agreement?


            7                      MR. MCGOFF: I personally do not.


            8                      MR. SBARAGLIA: And the $6 million, I


            9              think it was for $10 million, we already


           10              borrowed 6.1 million in the name of the


           11              Scranton Recreation -- no, the Scranton


           12              Redevelopment Authority and does that come


           13              to the ten million?  In other words, we are


           14              being told that we've got to watch what we


           15              are spending by these people and they are


           16              not even giving us much.  It's not a big


           17              contract, but yet they are worried about our


           18              financial ability to pay.  They want to


           19              limit our borrowing for the end of this


           20              year.  Something like that tells you


           21              something.  Whatever they are telling you


           22              about upstairs someone else is telling you


           23              something different.  People that are


           24              lending you the money are saying you've got


           25              to watch and you are not watching or they






            1              wouldn't have to put that stipulation in


            2              there.  It's just an odd think that I read


            3              that.


            4                      Now, I know you are borrowing


            5              vehicles, you are borrowing for police cars,


            6              okay, and so forth, and Ford does make good


            7              cars, especially if they are Crown Vex, but


            8              the stipulation struck a cord with me


            9              because I was wondering, we were told that


           10              our credit rating was something like DDD


           11              which must be even be below junk bonds


           12              because I can't understand where they would


           13              get a credit rating of DDD because of the


           14              fact is, but ford apparently saw that or


           15              understood that and said, "You got to watch


           16              what you are doing up there in Scranton."


           17                      Now, I realize they limit it to


           18              $10 million, you borrowed 6.1 million, do


           19              you plan to borrow anymore money in the name


           20              of taxpayers to the end of the year or is


           21              the 6.1 million well within what Ford has


           22              allowed?  There is something to look at.


           23              When you see stipulations like that, that


           24              should raise red flags because any time you


           25              put a stipulation in there, there is a






            1              reason underlying that stipulation.


            2                      Okay, let's go onto 7-F.  This


            3              project keeps growing and growing and


            4              growing and I keep telling you all of the


            5              taxes in the city for two years, probably


            6              two and a half years don't makeup for what


            7              we are throwing into that one block, and


            8              it's not even a whole block, the two ending


            9              parcels aren't in on this.  They want to go


           10              there anyway, which they should, they should


           11              be, that's their right.  No one should force


           12              redevelopment on anybody.  I think if you


           13              own the piece of property that is your


           14              property then and the only way they can get


           15              it from you is not even condemnation because


           16              I don't believe in that even though the


           17              Supreme Court says you can do it.  I don't


           18              believe in it.  I don't believe condemnation


           19              is the way to go with anything.  If you want


           20              something and you want it bad enough you


           21              should pay for it, but anyway, this is the


           22              federal government.  I don't know exactly


           23              what they are going to do other than the


           24              fact is they want to put an elevator up to


           25              this parcel of land, they want to fix the






            1              wall, I don't know if they want to put a


            2              path there, I have no idea because there was


            3              no dollar figure associated with this, but


            4              you should look into it.


            5                      I mean, we are becoming the laughing


            6              stock of this nation.  We are bridges to


            7              nowhere, now we are spending millions on a


            8              block and the whole city is collapsing


            9              around us, but yet we are going to spend a


           10              million dollars on the block.  There is more


           11              to Scranton then central city and I wish you


           12              would all realize that.  Central city is one


           13              hub and I don't know even think they bring


           14              enough money into the city to even worry


           15              about it.  I think if you look at where the


           16              money is coming from it's the wage tax and


           17              the poor underage people they are the ones


           18              that live in the city outside of central


           19              city.  Most of the people from central city


           20              probably live out of town, they don't live


           21              here.  Why should they live here?  Bad


           22              enough they have to pay 2 percent, 0why


           23              should they pay 3.4 plus.  Well, thank you.


           24                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you,


           25              Mr. Sbaraglia.  Fay Franus.






            1                      MS. FRANUS:  First, I'd like to say


            2              that last week on Tuesday before the council


            3              meeting I heard that the caucus with ECTV


            4              was postponed or cancelled, so I called and


            5              left a message and nobody answered it and


            6              Mark called me back the next morning,


            7              Wednesday at 10:00, and he asked why I had


            8              called and I just said that I wanted to know


            9              why the meeting was cancelled and he said he


           10              didn't have to answer me.  He said he is


           11              working it out with council, he didn't have


           12              to answer me.  And I just thought that odd


           13              and I said to him, "The taxpayers are paying


           14              your salary."


           15                      He said, "I made it very clear that


           16              I had other commitments."


           17                      I just wanted to let you know how


           18              his attitude was.  I'd also like to know the


           19              amounts the employees are getting since we


           20              are paying them, I'd like to that to be one


           21              of the questions, the follow-up questions,


           22              what are employee salaries when they get it.


           23                   Mrs. Gatelli, I'm asking you these


           24              questions as a citizen, a taxpayer.  In your


           25              lawsuit of which you are a defendant for






            1              defamation what city insurance company is


            2              paying for your defense?


            3                      MS. GATELLI:  I have no idea.


            4                      MS. FRANUS:  During the July 15,


            5              2008, meeting there was a resolution for


            6              insurance with Nautilus Insurance for city


            7              insurance coverage for a period June 12,


            8              2008, through June 12, 2009.  Perhaps this


            9              is the company, it was approved by council.


           10              I just want to get it on the record.  Are


           11              you filing as a city council person?


           12                      MS. GATELLI:  Mrs. Franus, I'm not


           13              going to answer any of your questions.


           14                      MS. FRANUS:  This is taxpayer


           15              appointed money, Judy, that's representing


           16              you.


           17                      MS. GATELLI:  I was sued by someone


           18              and it was countersued by the city.


           19              Attorney Minora can answer your questions.


           20                      MS. FRANUS:  Mr. Minora is Mrs.


           21              Gatelli suing as a councilperson and as a


           22              private citizen.


           23                      MR. MINORA: Council person.


           24                      MS. FRANUS: Not a private citizen?


           25                      MR. MINORA: Council person.  She was






            1              sued as a council person, she wasn't sued as


            2              a private citizen.


            3                      MS. FRANUS:  Okay.  In your


            4              countersuit, Mr. Minora maybe you can answer


            5              this, in Mrs. Gatelli's countersuit against


            6              against the anonymous motions of the website


            7              s the same insurance company paying for your


            8              legal fees?


            9                      MR. MINORA: Well, I'm not


           10              representing her.


           11                      MS. FRANUS:  But, you don't know


           12              what the city insurance company from the


           13              city?


           14                      MR. MINORA: Do I know the name of


           15              the company?  I do not know the name of the


           16              company.  It would not have been a new


           17              company.  It would have been a company who


           18              was --


           19                      MS. FRANUS:  Appointed before --


           20                      MR. MINORA: That would have been in


           21              force at the time the lawsuit was filed.


           22                      MS. FRANUS:  I see, the company


           23              before this other one.


           24                      MR. MINOR:  So whatever that company


           25              is.






            1                      MR. MCGOFF: Mrs. Franus, I believe


            2              we are in --


            3                      MS. FRANUS:  Mr. McGoff, this is


            4              taxpayer questions.


            5                      MR. MCGOFF: We are talking about


            6              things that aren't --


            7                      MS. GATELLI: Mrs. Franus, if you


            8              want to know you should find out how many


            9              lawsuits are in this city and how much it is


           10              costing the taxpayers.


           11                      MS. FRANUS:  I'm asking about this


           12              one specifically.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF: This one is still in


           14              Court.


           15                      MS. GATELLI:  I know why you asking.


           16                      MS. FRANUS: The taxpayers are still


           17              paying for this.


           18                      MS. GATELLI: And so are the posters


           19              on the website.


           20                      MR. MCGOFF: Please.


           21                      MS. FRANUS:  I have a right to know


           22              00.


           23                      MS. GATELLI:  Many of whom are in


           24              this room.


           25                      MS. FRANUS: Mrs. Gatelli, I have a






            1              right -- Mr. McGoff, please, I have a right


            2              as a taxpayer to ask these questions.


            3                      MR. MCGOFF: Well --


            4                      MS. FRANUS:  I'm paying for it.


            5                      MR. MCGOFF: Well, for the time I'm


            6              saying it's order of record because


            7              it's still --


            8                      MS. FRANUS: Well, I'm sorry, it's


            9              not.  I'm not asking about any of the


           10              litigation, I'm asking who is paying for it.


           11              I also want to know if you win damages on


           12              your countersuit for defamation who gets the


           13              money?  Does it go back to the city or are


           14              you getting this, Mrs. Gatelli?


           15                      MS. GATELLI:  I have no idea.


           16                      MR. MCGOFF: Excuse me.


           17                      MS. GATELLI: Excuse me.


           18                      MR. MCGOFF: I'm going to -- I said


           19              the questions I believe are out of order.


           20              It's a current case, we are not going to


           21              discuss it and I'm going to advise


           22              Mrs. Gatelli and --


           23                      MS. FRANUS:  Isn't that convenient,


           24              Mr. McGoff.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF: -- to not answer.






            1                      MS. FRANUS: Any other thing that has


            2              to do with city money we have to right now,


            3              but because it's Judy Gatelli in a lawsuit


            4              the gavel is banged?  I find that very


            5              interesting, very deceptive, since I'm


            6              paying for it and every citizen in this city


            7              is paying for it we as citizens have a right


            8              to know.  I mean, you sat there on that


            9              council, Mrs. Gatelli, and stated how you're


           10              distraught over all of this, and you take


           11              medication for all of that, I'd like to know


           12              who is paying for all of that as well.  It's


           13              all coming back to us.


           14                      MS. GATELLI:  Is this all part of


           15              the meeting you had to discredit me for the


           16              election, Mrs. Franus?


           17                      MR. MCGOFF: Please.


           18                      MS. GATELLI: You know, the private


           19              meeting that you had to start harassing me


           20              so that I'll lose the election?


           21                      MR. MCGOFF: Please.


           22                      MS. FRANUS: Mrs. Gatelli, what


           23              private meeting are you referring to?


           24                      MS. GATELLI: The private meeting


           25              that I got a note about that you were going






            1              to do this until the election.


            2                      MS. FRANUS:  I never had a private


            3              meeting with anybody and I resent you saying


            4              that because --


            5                      MS. GATELLI:  Well, I resent you


            6              saying that about me, too.


            7                      MS. FRANUS: Well, what I'm saying is


            8              in the logs.


            9                      MS. GATELLI: I have a record, I have


           10              a 27-year record in this community and you


           11              can look it up.


           12                      MS. FRANUS: What I am looking up?


           13                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.


           14                      MS. FRANUS:  Not your qualities.


           15                      MR. MCGOFF: Mr. Talimini.


           16                      MR. TALIMINI: That's going to be a


           17              tough act to follow.  Joe Talimini, I'd like


           18              to start off by acknowledging something.


           19              Today is birthday of Reverend Dan Waters of


           20              Bethel AME Church.  Reverend Waters is


           21              84 years old today and I would like the


           22              whole city to know that this man even at his


           23              age and his physical condition walks down to


           24              that Bethel Church everyday, every night, he


           25              is there seven days a week and I think the






            1              man is well worthy of note, and I personally


            2              would like to wish him a happy birthday and


            3              I hope the council that would do the same


            4              thing.


            5                      MS. EVANS: Yes.


            6                      MR. TALIMINI: He is a remarkable


            7              man.  Going over what we just heard from the


            8              television people, if there is a game such


            9              as fantasy football I would like to have


           10              Mr. Darcy on my team for illusive answers.


           11              I think he would be one of the charmers in


           12              the group.  I think it's kind of interesting


           13              Mr. Darcy is a one-man company as he said


           14              because it appears that is dealing with a


           15              one-person city administration based on what


           16              I heard and I resent the mayor saying this


           17              is not your ballgame, it's his.  Well, if it


           18              his let him put the money out of his own


           19              pocket and not out of mine because this is


           20              the City of Scranton and the taxpayers are


           21              represented by the government and,


           22              unfortunately, whether Mr. Doherty realizes


           23              it or not he is part of the government.  He


           24              not a dictator, he is a mayor and he better


           25              learn very quickly that he does represent






            1              the entire city not just his own group.


            2                   Now, into today's newspaper, which I


            3              hate to acknowledge, but I will, there was a


            4              little survey they did asking for the


            5              important traits for a would be president of


            6              the United States, I think the same thing


            7              applies to any politician.  There were six


            8              options.  One was ambitious, one was easy


            9              going, one was intrepid, one was responsive,


           10              one was stubborn and one was tenacious.


           11              And, you know, overwhelmingly the winner was


           12              responsive, and that's what we need in this


           13              city is a responsive government, not only


           14              from our mayor but from our council as well


           15              as all of our authorities, all of our


           16              department heads.  This should apply to any


           17              of you whether he is elected or appointed,


           18              we need responsiveness and that's a key


           19              factor.  I hope you all remember that and.


           20                      Most importantly, in view of the


           21              economic situation we are undergoing and I


           22              don't know nobody wants to believe it but we


           23              are in recession, some of the finest minds


           24              in the country have said we are in a


           25              recession, we're on the verge of depression,






            1              it's have a very serious condition, I would


            2              hope that this council within it's limit


            3              would exercise fiscal restraint in this


            4              upcoming budget because we just don't have


            5              the money to spend and there is no telling


            6              if we are going to have any money to spend


            7              in the next year and the way things are


            8              going, it's not a good situation, so again,


            9              I would urge you to exercise fiscal


           10              restraint.  I know it's a very tough thing


           11              to follow, but I'll e-mail Mrs. Fanucci and


           12              makes sure she understands that as well.


           13              Thank you very much.


           14                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr. Talimini.


           15              Les Spindler?


           16                      MR. SPINDLER: Good evening, Council,


           17              Les Spindler, city resident, and homeowner.


           18              I was wondering if council could find


           19              something out for me, how many lawsuits have


           20              been filed against Office of Licenses and


           21              Inspections from the time Mr. Fiorini


           22              retired to the present?  Could someone


           23              possibly find out for me for next week?


           24                      MS. EVANS: Well, we may not receive


           25              the response by next week, but I'll






            1              certainly make the request.


            2                      MR. SPINDLER:  Thank you, Mrs.


            3              Evans.  Last week Mrs. Fanucci stated that


            4              council is powerless to do anything against


            5              CGTV when, in fact, that's not true and any


            6              funding for CDTV has to come before council


            7              and council can deny the funding, and


            8              standing here and listening to Mr. Darcy or


            9              Mr. Migliore, or whatever his name is, and


           10              they are saying about how, you know, they


           11              received $100,000 and they need all of that


           12              money to get everything up and going when I


           13              stated before, Scranton Today worked on a


           14              shoestring budget, they had live meetings,


           15              the sound was much better, when I listen to


           16              these meetings at home the sound from the


           17              people speaking at the podium, I have to put


           18              the volume all the way up on my remote and


           19              then when council people speak I have to put


           20              it down because their volume is louder.  So,


           21              like I said, Scranton Today worked on a


           22              shoestring budget and did a much better job.


           23              If they had $100,000 lord knows what they


           24              would have been able to do.


           25                      Moving on, Mrs. Evans, you stated






            1              last week about maybe looking for a new


            2              cable provider, I think we absolutely have


            3              to look for a different cable provider.


            4              Comcast raised their rates almost every


            5              year, we get nothing more for it, people


            6              just can't make it anymore.  In 2010 the PPL


            7              rate caps are coming off, people will be


            8              paying outrageous rates for the electricity,


            9              everything is going up, give us a break,


           10              Council?  Would you give the taxpayers a


           11              break?  Let's look to get a cheaper cable


           12              company?


           13                      I was going to -- driving down


           14              Spruce Street last Thursday, I came to the


           15              corner of Franklin and Spruce and I couldn't


           16              believe it, there were lines painted and


           17              arrows on the street?  Then I went down


           18              Lackawanna Avenue and the same thing at the


           19              mall, miracles do exist I guess.  No, a


           20              miracle would be if I get my corner fixed so


           21              my sidewalks don't get flooded.


           22                      Did anyone look into the smoking


           23              issue at Whistles?


           24                      MS. GATELLI: Yeah, I did.  I'll


           25              report it in motions.






            1                      MR. SPINDLER: Okay.  The last thing,


            2              I have a couple of announcements, next


            3              Tuesday, August 21st at 7:00 at the Tripp


            4              Park Community Center is a meeting of the


            5              Tripp Park Crime Watch.  Anyone living in


            6              Tripp Park is welcome to come and join us if


            7              they want to, we would like as many people


            8              as possible.


            9                      Also, on November 11, that's a


           10              Tuesday, also, at 7:00, there is a regular


           11              meeting of the Tripp Park Neighborhood


           12              Association and everyone is welcome, every


           13              one at Tripp Park is welcome to join us


           14              there.  That's all.  Thank you.


           15                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr. Spindler.


           16              Lee Morgan.


           17                      MR. MORGAN: Good evening, Council.


           18              I only came up here tonight to really


           19              briefly touch two issues and I really think


           20              they are very vital in this city.  The first


           21              issue is ECTV.  Now, we have to realize how


           22              this came about.  East Scranton Business


           23              Association, $10,000, $90,000 Community


           24              Development money, same money, same with


           25              East Scranton Business Association and the






            1              only thing this is doing is it's stifling


            2              the ability of residents to understand


            3              what's happening in their city.  Not only in


            4              regards to city council meetings, but every


            5              other single thing that happens in this


            6              city.  It's really the only way I believe


            7              that Mayor Doherty can win election because


            8              if the residents of this city were allowed


            9              to see Channel 61 as it previously was,


           10              Mr. Doherty wouldn't have a chance to win


           11              the election even if he was the only


           12              candidate, okay?  They understand what's


           13              happening to this city.  This city is being


           14              systematically looted.


           15                      Now, if you pay any attention to


           16              what's happened to the bond market and all


           17              of the other things and to find out that our


           18              elected officials haven't done anything for


           19              us, really, be honest with yourselves, I


           20              mean, how did the sewer rate increases tax


           21              place and how is council skirted.  How is


           22              this mayor managed to skirt every bit of the


           23              city's government and do every single thing


           24              he has wanted to do and build unnecessary


           25              projects to the detriment of the residents?






            1              Evidently, somebody wasn't doing their job


            2              and I think that I'm looking at somebody who


            3              could have did something, and I'm not


            4              picking on one council person, you know,


            5              somebody has to make a decision.


            6                      And the other problem we seem to


            7              have is that America isn't just in a


            8              recession.  We are probably heading for a


            9              very hard depression because if anybody


           10              understands what's happening on the capital


           11              intensive markets in this country you find


           12              out that America is nationalizing nine of


           13              it's largest banks and York is done the same


           14              thing and the bond market is collapsing, so


           15              that tells you something.


           16                      And my question is, if we have


           17              $100,000 to help Mr. Doherty win reelection


           18              do you think that we could come up with a


           19              little bit of money to supply the food


           20              pantries with food for the poor in this city


           21              that are losing their jobs or have lost


           22              their jobs and do you think we can pass any


           23              legislation to protect people's properties


           24              if it so comes to pass that they can't pay


           25              their property tax or are we going to nail






            1              all of those fees on top of all of those


            2              people and try to sell their property, is


            3              that what we are going to do in this city?


            4                   Because really, you know what, it's


            5              time for this council to stand up and lead


            6              and you lead by example and it's time, the


            7              time is now, the time for politics to end is


            8              now.  Somebody has got to call this mayor on


            9              the phone or going to talk to him in person


           10              tomorrow or talk to any of his subordinates


           11              and say, "Look it, we have got to give


           12              relief to the residents of this city and


           13              they need it, the food pantries are empty,


           14              the poor, the working poor are losing their


           15              jobs, there is very small middle class in


           16              this city, almost everybody if you look at


           17              the statistics for free school lunches you


           18              can see the pain and suffering in this


           19              community, and it's time for somebody to


           20              step up and if we can spend $100,000 for


           21              ECTV that can't even transmit a live meeting


           22              and when the gentleman comes before this


           23              council, and he knows he doesn't have to


           24              deal with you because the mayor is funding


           25              him, he only talks to one master and the






            1              master is on the first floor, and I guess he


            2              pretty much told you people that when he was


            3              here today, so my point is could you think


            4              that you can help the residents of this city


            5              by trying to find some money to make it


            6              available for food pantries and for the poor


            7              families in this city that actually need


            8              help because now it's time to show where you


            9              stand, okay?


           10                      I mean, they have an article, they


           11              had a commercial yesterday on Chris Doherty


           12              throwing garbage in a garbage can and when I


           13              saw that you know what I thought about?  I


           14              thought about all of the money he borrowed


           15              and wasted.  You know, let your conscience


           16              serve you well and think about it tonight.


           17              Do you owe the residents of this city


           18              anything?  You know, I find it really


           19              pathetic when people in this city come


           20              forward and ask a council member if you can


           21              make it possible for the garbage in front of


           22              their house to be removed or if you can plow


           23              the snow from in front of their house.  Your


           24              responsibility is 100 times more than that.


           25              I hope you live up to your obligations.






            1                      MR. MCGOFF: Bill Jackowitz.


            2                      MR. JACKOWITZ: Bill Jackowitz,


            3              Scranton resident, member of the Taxpayers'


            4              Association.  I want to make it perfectly


            5              clear that I have never attended a private


            6              meeting or a private meeting and discussed


            7              anything about city council.  Everything I


            8              do is out in public, normally televised or


            9              printed in the newspaper, so I just want to


           10              make that clear on the record because I have


           11              never done it and I never will do it if I


           12              have something to say I will say it directly


           13              to you in public.


           14                      Toastmaster's International, a


           15              highly respected public speaking


           16              organization worldwide states that a person


           17              at the podium is the speaker and everybody


           18              else are the listeners.  What is so hard to


           19              understand about that simple rule of


           20              courtesy and ettiquete?  Again, I ask city


           21              council members please do no interrupt the


           22              speakers.  We as speakers only have five


           23              minutes to express ourselves while council


           24              members have as much time as they desire to


           25              express themselves.  The first three words






            1              of the preamble to the constitution, "We,


            2              the people," not "we", the elected, or "we",


            3              the politicians.  "We, the people."  That


            4              does include you and me.


            5                      I actually agree with Mayor Doherty


            6              and Councilwoman Fanucci.  City council has


            7              no authority whatsoever.  That was taken


            8              away with the election of the majority three


            9              and the passing of a strong form of mayoral


           10              government.  The mayor once said all I need


           11              is three votes.  Well, he has three.  Until


           12              council starts to vote 5/0 against the


           13              mayor's budget, borrowing, appointments,


           14              council will remain an inept government body


           15              controlled by Mayor Doherty.  How can one


           16              man, Mayor Doherty, be correct about


           17              everything considering he is the mayor of a


           18              distressed city, has no contact with his


           19              police and fire unions, police officers


           20              purchase their own vehicles and he must


           21              borrow and raises taxes to stay afloat.


           22              Borrow more to pay back borrowed money.  How


           23              can he be right all of the time?


           24                      Again, I will ask who is responsible


           25              for the City of Scranton being distressed






            1              for 16 years starting in 1992?  Patiently


            2              awaiting answers from last week.  Patience


            3              is a virtue.  What is wrong with fair,


            4              honest and open government?  Closed doors


            5              meetings are things of the past.  Informed


            6              an intelligence citizens will no longer


            7              tolerate that.  Government at all levels


            8              need to be open to all citizens and


            9              taxpayers.  Put the people first and your


           10              friendships and allegiance second.  Why is


           11              public access television important?  The


           12              camera does not lie.  Close doors, shut the


           13              citizens out and then the lies start.


           14                      Most citizens will not take the time


           15              to participate in their government until it


           16              becomes too late like now.  After the fire


           17              starts it is too late to practice fire


           18              safety.  You may not like the questions or


           19              for that matter the person who asks the


           20              questions, but, again, we the people are now


           21              demanding answers, truthful answers, no more


           22              I believe or somebody told me this, I think


           23              so, and my favorite, back when I was with


           24              Mike Washo this is the way we did it.


           25              Ancient history.  How is it being done in






            1              2008.


            2                      Finally, in response to Councilwoman


            3              Gatelli and, Councilwoman, this is not a


            4              dig, from last week comparing the county


            5              budget to the city budget, if the streets


            6              were being paved and plowed during


            7              snowstorms, remember the St. Valentine's Day


            8              massacre, if the fire and police were under


            9              contract, if city residents were not paying


           10              an extra $178 a year to have their garbage


           11              picked up, when residents call DPW or the


           12              mayor's office they receive answers not


           13              answering machines and, finally, when will


           14              the city wage tax be reduced from


           15              3.4 percent?  Please, answer during motions.


           16                   The budget is far too high for a city


           17              of approximately 67,000 residents and


           18              declining unless you account the


           19              undocumented illegals.  If you need your


           20              computer, like Mrs. Fanucci said, then bring


           21              it to the meetings if the answers are on the


           22              computer.  ECTV advisory board?  Nonsense.


           23              Just like the Scranton Ethics' Committee and


           24              this ECTV selection board.  Mayor Doherty


           25              only needs himself and his majority three






            1              for Doherty television to succeed.


            2                      A reasonable amount of time to grow?


            3              How about a reasonable amount of time and a


            4              reasonable amount of private money, not


            5              public money, to finance ECTV.  If it's


            6              going to be financed by me, the public, a


            7              taxpayer, for about 48 years now then I


            8              should have a say in the running of ECTV and


            9              every other taxpayer in this city should


           10              have a say in the running of ECTV.  So,


           11              really, let's start working for the people.


           12                      MR. MCGOFF: David Dobson.


           13                      MR. DOBSON:  Good evening, Council,


           14              Dave Dobson, member of the Taxpayers'


           15              Association, City of Scranton.  I would like


           16              to point out the expense of Comcast on our


           17              citizens.  I have a question, are we cash


           18              cows unduly burdened and taxed?  Basically


           19              around $20 a month all you will get is local


           20              TV.  Limited, $45 a month, now, these are


           21              approximate figures, no CNN, no ESPN, no


           22              channels between 20 and 70, no CSPAN, except


           23              for Channel 61 and 62.  The new rate for


           24              full service is $70 plus per month.  Now,


           25              that would include CSPAN and ESPN and so






            1              forth that I mentioned were excluded before.


            2                   On Channel 61 I must remain neutral at


            3              this time.  I have associations with both,


            4              but I have a question, where is Channel 62?


            5              I see no programs in three months, why do


            6              these people have a franchise with 62 if


            7              they have no interest in programming?


            8              Council should review Channel 62 activities


            9              and request intent from these people and to


           10              see if they are really interested in holding


           11              this franchise or would they like to relay


           12              it to some more interested parties?  I would


           13              also like to request, as other people have


           14              requested tonight, a better deal be


           15              negotiated, more affordable for Comcast.


           16              Also, Channel 61 should not offer children


           17              programs.  WVIA is goo-gaa-gaa from 6 a.m.


           18              to 6 p.m.  We have enough, enough Sesame


           19              Street on, we are interested in information


           20              that we can use.


           21                      Direct TV channel, 130 channels,


           22              $29.95.  No Channel 61.  So, as you go along


           23              here with these different negotiations and


           24              so forth, I would like to see things improve


           25              because at the current it's hardly worth






            1              paying for, it's really ashame.  I hear


            2              Channel 61 and 62 are going to go to Channel


            3              9 and 11, well, I'm liable to go down to


            4              just basic and get cable.  I can save myself


            5              30 or 40 -- or Direct TV, I could save


            6              myself 30 or 40 dollars a month.  Thank you


            7              and have a good night.


            8                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr. Dobson.


            9              Anyone else?  Mr. Davis.


           10                      MR. DAVIS: A salaam aleikum.  Peace


           11              and blessings of the law be with you.  It


           12              seems as though the world, the world and our


           13              city, is in a financial conundrum with


           14              everything mixed up, nobody understand where


           15              we are going or why we are going, but there


           16              are people who say that they know the


           17              answer.  Do we know the answer in Scranton?


           18                   I look at the kids, the number of


           19              children going into the shelter every day.


           20              They are exploding.  How many kids are they


           21              turning away?  How many parents are they


           22              turning away?  Do we care?  No.  I don't see


           23              us caring about those who don't have.


           24                      When we come up with the answer that


           25              the shelter is running out of food.  There






            1              is no drugs, there is no problem, let's get


            2              food down there to them.  Let's start a


            3              thing where people can bring their


            4              additional canned food and things like that


            5              and deposit it for them, so we can help them


            6              out.  We don't have that.


            7                      That used to be a thing I could


            8              remember of Scranton of the past.  If we


            9              came to the city council and said one of our


           10              -- it's a progressive city that doesn't have


           11              the food to serve the people that are coming


           12              there, something would have been done.  Even


           13              if we had to bring in Sister Adrian to prove


           14              our point, but I'm saying it's getting worse


           15              so, therefore, the amounts of crime is going


           16              to increase because I'm not going to start,


           17              seriously, I'm not going to sit out here and


           18              starve while there is money being made or


           19              not made there.


           20                      There is food there, there is this


           21              there, so that's why you have people robbing


           22              and people stealing, but that doesn't matter


           23              to you, and I'm saying to you we can stop


           24              that, we can help that that particular


           25              problem by just making more food available






            1              in the pantries.  Part of that stealing and


            2              stuff could be stopped I think, but hey,


            3              what do I know.


            4                      But I've worked with city officials


            5              such as Mrs. Gatelli who went to my aunt's


            6              house ten years ago and literally tell her


            7              she had to go to jail and we are all saying


            8              to her why?  As a matter of fact, she had


            9              the policeman put cuffs on her.


           10                      MS. GATELLI:  I guess they could say


           11              whatever they want, Mr. McGoff.  Anybody can


           12              say whatever they want here.  It's okay.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF: I didn't hear what he


           14              had to say.


           15                      MS. GATELLI:  It doesn't have to be


           16              the truth.  They don't all tell the truth at


           17              the podium.


           18                      MR. DAVIS:  And they don't all tell


           19              the truth on city council.  I have a family


           20              that would come in and testify about it.


           21                      MS. GATELLI:  Mr. Davis, you know,


           22              why the house was condemned.  You know why


           23              the house was condemned.  You can ask anyone


           24              in the Hill Section why the house was


           25              condemned.






            1                      MR. DAVIS: That same house that you


            2              condemned was repaired.


            3                      MS. GATELLI: It was my job to do


            4              that, Mr. Davis.


            5                      MR. DAVIS: So that was a necessary


            6              evil.


            7                      MS. GATELLI: It was my job to do


            8              that, and Mr. Burton can look up the details


            9              of that condemnation in the paper back then


           10              to see what was happening at that particular


           11              address and the police reports.


           12                      MR. DAVIS:  That doesn't mean that


           13              you couldn't condemn it.  There was nothing


           14              that had been done there to cause you to


           15              condemn that property.


           16                      MS. GATELLI:  Mr. Davis, it went to


           17              the Housing Board of Appeals, and I'm not


           18              going to dispute it with you.


           19                      MR. DAVIS: That's a joke.  Come on


           20              now.  This poor old black lady trying to


           21              survive with 15 nephews and things around


           22              her to feed and stuff like that, and then


           23              you are worried about condemning it.


           24                      MS. GATELLI: Mr. Quinn knows what


           25              went on up there.






            1                      MR. DAVIS: Yeah, Mr. Quinn --


            2                      MS. GATELLI: And Mr. Neverosky knows


            3              what went up on there, and the rest of the


            4              neighbors and the police know went up on


            5              right there.


            6                      MS. DAVIS: Mr. Parker was there,


            7              too.  I remember them.  I remember most of


            8              all of them.


            9                      MS. GATELLI: Yes, because that was


           10              my job and I did my job when I worked for


           11              the city.


           12                      MR. DAVIS:  Well, I hope that we do


           13              our job and make sure that you don't have


           14              anything else to do with the city.


           15                      MS. GATELLI: Well, thank you,


           16              Mr. Davis.


           17                      MS. HUMPHRIES:  Hi, everybody.


           18              Praise be Jesus and Mary, all of the holy


           19              saints and peace to everybody here.  I want


           20              to read something out of the dictionary and


           21              then I'm going to go on.  I represent truth


           22              in the fullest.  "Justifying.  Justifying,


           23              justificator.  To prove, to show, to be


           24              just, right and reasonable, to show to have


           25              a sufficient legal reason to qualify oneself






            1              to surety by taking the oath through the


            2              ownership of sufficient property.  To


            3              administer justice worthy of salvation.  To


            4              absolve.  To make even, to justify.  Through


            5              justification there is margins and lines.


            6                   Now, we have art here in the City of


            7              Scranton.  I have a disability, so I walked


            8              from Mulberry Tower with that sheet that


            9              says end terrorism in the United States and


           10              in all nations, inside and outside of the


           11              woman.  When they asked my if I signed what


           12              my number was I says, no more number, this


           13              is it, bring our countrymen home and


           14              abortion, euthanasia, capital punishment and


           15              get our country back in the proper order


           16              that it is.


           17                      My name is Phyllis Bernadette,


           18              150 years Bernadette, the virgin mother came


           19              to Bernadette.  The virgin mother has come


           20              to me since a little girl, they've locked me


           21              up, I have been in psychiatric wards, God


           22              allowed me to go through all of the


           23              different organizations for the justifying


           24              of the poor, the rich, the bureaucratic that


           25              has all away through monetary, you have seen






            1              what happened with the money going in.  Show


            2              me the money, honey.


            3                      And I have seven people that in


            4              order to serve in our country, I am an


            5              American, but I dress in ethnic.  One day I


            6              am an Indian, one day I am Muslim, one day


            7              I'm Jewish.  The guy that's going to get me


            8              if he wants to marry me he is going to have


            9              a lot of fun.  It's International Showtime.


           10                   What I am bringing you is this, it's a


           11              strong message, I'm not here to tear down my


           12              town.  My town has torn down me because of


           13              my religious faith.  A lot is going to be


           14              happening in the next couple of weeks and I


           15              have tried to intercede through the


           16              newspaper to give them love and forgiveness,


           17              I feel we should boycott the Scranton Times


           18              at this point.  I don't want to be shocked,


           19              but this is the way it is.


           20                      This is the art work.  Now, there is


           21              money behind here.  You are not going to get


           22              a lot of money checks.  This is the picture


           23              the color came out of pencil appeared an


           24              angel.  There is a woman there.  This is


           25              Guadeloupe, a pencil appeared there.  She






            1              wrote a letter for the world.


            2                      This is my father, used the rhythm


            3              method, 14 kids, forget about everything


            4              else.  This is my granddaughter, she is an


            5              American/Russian and I baptized her, she


            6              speaks two different languages.  She is


            7              going to be the angel of reconciliation,


            8              love and peace.  Lines came across her,


            9              miracles appeared in that.  Right above, my


           10              cousin was a boxer, and I have a cousin that


           11              died, the golden gloves awards, Paul Roach,


           12              he was in nine months, he got hit, nine


           13              months he was ill and he died.  He is boxing


           14              from heaven telling everybody straighten up,


           15              get your politics right and support the


           16              people.


           17                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.  Oh, there


           18              are two sides.


           19                      MS. HUMPHRIES:  You are going to


           20              listen, you're not going to chase me away


           21              from this one.  This is seize the man and


           22              carpa diem, eighth-grade student, right here


           23              is the picture miraculously of our lady


           24              Estes, June 26, 1990, when the miracle


           25              occurred the virgin Mother, the dove, the






            1              olive branch and venus.  This is what


            2              happened.  Lights appeared across it.  She


            3              is the mother of Ephapses.  June 26, 1931


            4              they proclaimed Mary the mother of God.  For


            5              every knee shall bend and every head shall


            6              bow is every tongue will proclaim that Jesus


            7              Christ is Lord.  We want to see the City of


            8              Scranton straightened out and you got to get


            9              the Scranton Times, they are not doing their


           10              job.


           11                      MR. MCGOFF: Phyllis.


           12                      MS. HUMPHRIES: God bless you.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF: You have gone too far.


           14              Thank you.


           15                      MR. HUMPHRIES: God is timeless.


           16                      MR. MCGOFF: Than you.  Mrs. Evans?


           17                      MS. EVANS: Good evening.  Prior to


           18              this regular meeting, council finally met in


           19              public caucus with representatives of ECTV


           20              following three requests for such a caucus.


           21              It should be noted that the mayor was


           22              requested to attend this caucus, but he


           23              failed to do so.  Like former tax collector


           24              Ken McDowell who continues to ignore council


           25              subpoena, Mr. Migliore, manager of ECTV,






            1              cited originally the circus atmosphere of


            2              council meetings as they reason for failing


            3              to appear publically.  This is a prime


            4              example of the pot calling the kettle black.


            5              It's apparent that both Mr. McDowell and


            6              ECTV have created their own circuses.


            7                      As for having another commitment


            8              last week, Mr. Migliore arranged for the


            9              second meeting with council himself after


           10              canceling the first.  Why then would he


           11              schedule another commitment at the same time


           12              as the meeting with council he had already


           13              agreed to?  Like everything else that ECTV


           14              has touched to date, it doesn't pass the


           15              smell test.


           16                      Mr. Doherty believes in absolute


           17              power.  He alone selects, replaces, funds


           18              and controls public access channel


           19              television then he alone is responsible for


           20              the lack of services and poor quality


           21              broadcasting of government meetings for the


           22              last five months.  Although he has given


           23              $100,000 of taxpayer money to ECTV, he


           24              prefers to wait until 2009 when at some


           25              point a new cable contract begins to provide






            1              a live feed for government meetings.  I


            2              believe that a percentage of the cable


            3              franchise fee should be allocated to local


            4              PEG channel management.  However, I don't


            5              believe that the people should have to wait


            6              any longer for live broadcasts of all


            7              government meetings.


            8                      Scranton Today earlier this evening


            9              generously offered to provide the live feed


           10              until ECTV is capable of providing it.  I


           11              agree with this solution and I thank the


           12              board of Scranton Today for it's great


           13              community spirit and generosity.  However, I


           14              also believe that ECTV should pay Comcast


           15              for the hard wire from the $100,000 in


           16              taxpayer money it has been given.  It is a


           17              good faith action toward the public it


           18              serves and does not require the consent of


           19              the mayor since there is no contract and


           20              such purchase falls within the requirements


           21              for use of the OECD loan/grant.


           22                      If ECTV fails to purchase hard


           23              wiring and, thus, fails to provide it's own


           24              live coverage by October 23 then it can be


           25              called Elect Chris TV as so many residents






            1              have stated and the mayor does control these


            2              public television stations.  It has become


            3              increasingly clear that this project, ECTV,


            4              is yet another project which is stamped by


            5              the mayor's thumbprint.  All fluff, no


            6              substance.


            7                      At last week's council meeting I


            8              asked my colleagues to consider a dollar


            9              amount to be plugged into legislation


           10              concerning the use and disbursement of UDAG


           11              funds that come before council for approval.


           12              The clock is ticking and in the interim


           13              additional UDAG funds could be spent without


           14              council knowledge or approval.  Therefore, I


           15              ask that each my council members offers his


           16              or her opinion now, please, so that we may


           17              reach an agreement and the legislation can


           18              be placed on our agenda.


           19                      MR. COURTRIGHT: We were talking


           20              while you were talking, Mrs. Evans, and Mr.


           21              McGoff said to me, I don't think you mind me


           22              saying this, what is reasonable, he said


           23              10,000.  I think 10,000 is fair.  Anything


           24              10,000 or over who have to come before this


           25              council?






            1                      MS. EVANS: Mrs. Gatelli?


            2                      MS. GATELLI: Yes, that's fine with


            3              me.  Is it with you?


            4                      MS. EVANS: No, but I will have to


            5              concede.


            6                      MS. GATELLI: What did you want, all


            7              of it?


            8                      MS. EVANS: All of it.  If I could


            9              just explain it and then the majority


           10              decides.  When I made the motion to draft


           11              this legislation I stated that all UDAG


           12              funds must come before council and I stand


           13              by that statement.  In this time of


           14              excessive government waste and park barrel


           15              spending it's become increasingly important


           16              to safeguard spending.


           17                      In addition, the mayor has


           18              demonstrated that he not always trustworthy


           19              in financial matters by funneling $10,000 to


           20              the East Scranton Business Association to


           21              give to ECTV.  He defended his action by


           22              saying the money was needed for blight


           23              elimination, however, there was no


           24              declaration of blight and the money was used


           25              to purchase a digital server and for






            1              supplies according to Mr. Migliore, who was


            2              on record in the Scranton Times newspaper.


            3                   In addition, if a figure were set at


            4              let's say $10,000, for example, was is to


            5              prevent any mayor, not just this mayor, any


            6              mayor from writing two separate checks for


            7              $5,000 and funneling the extra check to his


            8              friends through another entity?  That's why


            9              I believe all UDAG use and disbursement


           10              should come before city council for


           11              approval.


           12                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Can I speak?  I


           13              don't disagree with that only because we had


           14              a little to-do back a few meetings ago when


           15              over a year ago when we thought all of the


           16              money being voted on was going to come


           17              through us and then we found out it wasn't,


           18              so that didn't set too well with me.  I


           19              would be agreeable for all of it to come


           20              through because it would have to be three of


           21              us again like any other project.


           22                      MR. MCGOFF: I believe that any


           23              agency should have some discretionary funds.


           24              I know that that may sound -- and regardless


           25              of who is mayor at the time, I think there






            1              is some need for discretionary funding


            2              without approval of, you know, a council or


            3              whatever, any other governing board, so I


            4              think $10,000 is a reasonable amount.  I


            5              understand your hesitancy, but I still think


            6              that discretionary spending or some type of


            7              discretionary fund is acceptable in certain


            8              circumstances.


            9                      MS. EVANS: Well, there is spending


           10              though that occurs outside of UDAG funds,


           11              let's say, without our having to vote on it.


           12              There are miscellaneous accounts in the


           13              budget, for example, that none us are quite


           14              sure, you know, of the source or the use


           15              for, and then even within the mayor's


           16              department there are monies.


           17                      MR. MCGOFF: We could discuss this in


           18              caucus next week and arrive at a something


           19              might be acceptable to everyone?  Would that


           20              be acceptable?


           21                      MS. EVANS:  Yes.  My concern is just


           22              that we get this on the agenda and pass this


           23              prior to the introduction of the mayor's


           24              2009 proposed budget because once that item


           25              is introduced it consumes council and very






            1              many other issues seem to be placed on a


            2              back burner.


            3                      Also, I remain very concerned about


            4              the residents of Dickson Avenue and the


            5              remainder of the area surrounding Daron


            6              Northeast, and I know that Ms. Gatelli is


            7              also very supportive of helping these


            8              residents.  So, Attorney Minora, could you


            9              please have a draft --


           10                      MR. MINORA: Can I tell you what I've


           11              done already on that?


           12                      MS. EVANS: Um-hum.


           13                      MR. MINORA:  I have spoken to


           14              Attorney Penetar, who is the solicitor for


           15              the zoning board, and I have asked him for


           16              an opinion as to whether or not changing the


           17              zoning for that property would be considered


           18              spot zoning or whether or not there is a


           19              question that would expose us to a lawsuit


           20              or perhaps damages, so I've actually written


           21              him a letter and asked for that opinion.  I


           22              haven't received it back from him yet, but I


           23              was going to report back to you as soon as I


           24              did.


           25                      MS. EVANS: Now, would that mirror






            1              the situation on 7th Avenue across from


            2              Scranton High School where zoning was


            3              changed to accommodate the purchaser of that


            4              property?


            5                      MS. GATELLI:  The only reason that


            6              was able to be done, I believe, is because


            7              it was to a lesser use.


            8                      MR. MINORA:  Yeah.


            9                      MS. GATELLI: They were going from


           10              industrial to commercial, which is a lesser


           11              use.  You can to a lesser, but not to a


           12              higher.


           13                      MS. EVANS: Well, I think isn't that


           14              what we are trying to do?


           15                      MR. MINORA: No.  We are trying to


           16              make what is basically light industrial into


           17              something --


           18                      MS. EVANS: Into commercial.


           19                      MR. MINORA: -- a lesser, well,


           20              commercial would be a less of a use, so--


           21                      MS. GATELLI:  We might be able to do


           22              a commercial rather than residential.


           23                      MR. MINORA:  I'm sorry, I can't hear


           24              you.


           25                      MS. GATELLI:  We might be able to do






            1              it to commercial, but not to residential.


            2                      MS. EVANS: Because there are office


            3              buildings that were constructed that are


            4              attached to Daron Northeast.  Now, they have


            5              -- although, they are KOZ's they have


            6              remained vacant since they were built, but I


            7              can see certainly someone wanting to put


            8              businesses into those buildings, so we


            9              wouldn't want to prevent that.  We just


           10              don't want to see a repeat of what we have


           11              witnessed all of these years.


           12                      MR. MINORA: As soon as I hear back


           13              from Attorney Penetar I will, you know, give


           14              you a report in caucus.


           15                      MS. EVANS: Because this another


           16              issue I want to get on the agenda.


           17                      MR. MINORA: And I knew that and I'm


           18              actually trying to think when I requested


           19              it.  It was probably last week.  It was


           20              probably before last week's meeting, and I


           21              followed that up with a letter.  I talked to


           22              him on the phone and followed it up with a


           23              letter.  I have not received a reply back


           24              from him in an opinion form, which is what I


           25              asked for.






            1                      MS. EVANS: But, surely whatever


            2              communication the two of you share, there


            3              must be something done with that area to


            4              prevent a similar business from purchasing


            5              that and operating in the manner in which


            6              Daron Northeast has functioned all these


            7              year?


            8                      MR. MINORA: All I can really do is


            9              report back the legal situation as it is.


           10              Council's decision is council's decision.


           11                      MS. EVANS:  Did you inform Attorney


           12              Penetar that DEP suggested this?


           13                      MR. MINORA:  What I suggested to him


           14              was that we consider the possibility of


           15              whether or not to reduce this property from


           16              light industrial to commercial because that


           17              was basically what was asked to me by


           18              council and I explained to him the problems


           19              that have been there in the past and the


           20              suits and so forth, which he was aware of


           21              actually, none of this was news to him and


           22              so I asked if he could look at it and give


           23              me an opinion because it also requires


           24              looking at the surrounding properties which


           25              maybe moves it out of the role of being spot






            1              zoning.  So, you know, that's why I asked


            2              him.  He is the expert in that.  He is


            3              sitting on that board.


            4                      MS. EVANS: Can you please relate to


            5              him though the fact that DEP in it's report


            6              of Daron Northeast suggested or recommended


            7              that the city rezone the area to prevent


            8              another business of this type from locating


            9              into that residential area?


           10                      MR. MINORA: I'll be glad to pass


           11              that onto him.  I suspect he is going to


           12              give me a legal opinion based on not DEP


           13              workload, but on the real legal questions.


           14              Dan is a very brilliant guy and


           15              knowledgeable in this area, so that's why I


           16              want to rely on him.


           17                      MS. EVANS: Thank you.  Also,


           18              Mr. Courtright, I was asked to give you


           19              this, it's the ordinance concerning noise


           20              levels.  It was dropped off at my house


           21              today and the neighbors of Daron Northeast


           22              state that the building is being dismantled


           23              and the noise continues and it has grown


           24              even worse and they asked me to ask you what


           25              they could do because it seems the police






            1              haven't done anything.


            2                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Mr. Liptai gave it


            3              to me.  I have it.  He dropped it off to me.


            4              I spoke with Captain Graziano about this


            5              problem and he -- I had actually called him


            6              from this meeting because Mrs. Andrews asked


            7              me and he didn't off the top of the head the


            8              ordinance, he said he would look into it I


            9              told I would get a copy of it so I will


           10              forward it to him and he will have to make


           11              the officers and apprise them that are going


           12              out there of the ordinance and how to


           13              enforce it.  I truly believe need


           14              Mr. Wallace to get involved here, that's his


           15              department.  The police can absolutely


           16              enforce it, but I am going to ask Captain


           17              Graziano and, Kay, I will give him a copy of


           18              the order and ask him if he can't sit down


           19              with Mr. Wallace and try to get this


           20              straightened out once and for all.


           21                      MS. EVANS: That would be very much


           22              appreciated by all of those residents.


           23                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Mr. Liptai did give


           24              that to me.


           25                      MS. GATELLI: Mr. Wallace does use a






            1              Mr. Guzek who we used in South Side on


            2              numerous occasions and he is a certified


            3              sound specialist and his testimony can be


            4              used in Court, so that's who Mr. Wallace


            5              would use.  Maybe you can suggest that he


            6              hire him.


            7                      MS. EVANS: Very good.


            8                      MS. GATELLI: And go over the noise


            9              levels.


           10                      MS. EVANS: Very good.  And, finally,


           11              I have a few requests for the week.  Fill


           12              potholes and a dip in the road in East


           13              Wyoming Avenue and Greenridge Street, and


           14              that's the second request.


           15                      A letter to Mr. Oleski,


           16              Mr. Seitzinger and Mr. Brazil, provide


           17              written responses to council previous


           18              requests on or before October 20, 2008,


           19              deadlines were ignored, and I would ask my


           20              colleagues that if we do not receive the


           21              responses by October 20 that we would agree


           22              to request a meeting with these department


           23              heads.  Yes?


           24                      MR. MCGOFF: Fine.


           25                      MS. EVANS: Thank you.  Kay, if you






            1              would please determine the date of


            2              termination or renewal for the current cable


            3              TV contract?  And a letter to licensing,


            4              inspections and permits, what is the number


            5              of lawsuits filed against LIPS from the date


            6              of retirement of Mr. William Fiorini, former


            7              director, to October 14, 2008.  Please


            8              respond on or before October 27, 2008.  And


            9              that's it.


           10                      MR. MCGOFF: Mrs. Gatelli?


           11                      MS. GATELLI:  I just have a few


           12              things for Mrs. Garvey.  I sent a request to


           13              OECD several weeks ago regarding loans that


           14              were delinquent and I have not received an


           15              answer yet, if we could please resend that


           16              again for me.


           17                      Also, a note to Mr. Wallace.  I


           18              wrote him a letter in June about a tractor


           19              trailer that was parked on Pittston Avenue


           20              and Palm Street and it is still sitting


           21              there, so I would like to know.  He told me


           22              it was going to be removed, but it's still


           23              there and that was from June, so if he could


           24              either call me or let me know the status of


           25              that particular property.






            1                      We talked about the Home Rule Study


            2              Commission tonight with Mrs. Schumacher and


            3              I think that it was misinterpreted that I


            4              wanted to know something about council


            5              members being at large or being from


            6              neighborhoods.  My intent was to reinstitute


            7              the Home Rule Study Commission.  The time


            8              has elapsed since the last one and their


            9              recommendations were defeated, but I think


           10              that it's time to do another one.


           11                      I think there are some changes that


           12              are necessary.  The people are elected to be


           13              on the commission and does take several


           14              years for them to meet and take in public


           15              input and then make their recommendations


           16              that are then put on the ballot, so I will


           17              make that tonight in the form of a motion


           18              that we start the process necessary to redo


           19              a new Home Rule Study Commission.


           20                      MS. EVANS: Didn't we already do


           21              that?


           22                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.


           23                      MS. GATELLI: She thinks I already


           24              made the motion, but let's do it again.


           25              Amil, I don't know why it didn't come out






            1              the way I wanted it to, but we'll say it


            2              again and Bill seconded it.


            3                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?


            4                      MS. GATELLI:  For the record we will


            5              just do it again.


            6                      MR. MCGOFF:  All in favor signify by


            7              saying aye.


            8                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


            9                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           10                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           11                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           12              ayes have it and so moved.


           13                      MS. GATELLI: Also, someone brought


           14              up sending a letter to Mike Hanley about the


           15              food pantries, I think it was Mr. Quinn, I


           16              think that's an excellent idea, Kay, and I


           17              think we should setup -- I will be seeing


           18              Mr. Hanley tomorrow at United Neighborhood


           19              Centers and I will tell him that the letter


           20              is coming, but to get to together with some


           21              of the groups and see what we can't do for


           22              the pantries.  I know that my parish, St.


           23              Francis of Assisi, we have very several


           24              drives a year for the pantries, but with the


           25              economy and the fiscal problems of the






            1              federal government and the local and county


            2              government at this time, it behooves us to


            3              get everyone involved to have those pantries


            4              equipped for the winter.  So, we will send


            5              them a letter and I'll mention that to him


            6              tomorrow.


            7                      I hear a lot of people talking about


            8              getting a new cable provider.  It sounds


            9              real nice, but for a new -- I asked several


           10              people that were in the cable business from


           11              Verizon, and I forget the name of the other


           12              one that I talked to, and for them to even


           13              be interested to put in a proposal they


           14              would have to run all of their own wiring


           15              which would run approximately $8 million.


           16              So I think that's the reason that we see


           17              Comcast, and it was Adelphia before that,


           18              that got two very lucrative contracts from


           19              the past councils.  They had two 15-year


           20              contracts with the City of Scranton, and I


           21              think the second one was probably for that


           22              reason.  No one else is going to come here


           23              with the cable company because it would cost


           24              them too much money, so in essence Comcast


           25              has a monopoly with the City of Scranton as






            1              far as I can see, and I have spoken to


            2              several people and maybe we could put some


            3              letters out to some cable companies to see


            4              if they are interested, as a council, you


            5              know, if you would want to do that, but


            6              those are the answers that I had received,


            7              that they would have to put all of their own


            8              optic cables in the whole City of Scranton


            9              which Comcast a/k/a Adelphia had done in the


           10              past, so that seems to be the problem.


           11                      I think that we should maybe send


           12              the mayor a letter for whatever it's worth,


           13              I will not be comfortable voting on a


           14              15-year contract and the last two councils,


           15              I don't remember who was on there at the


           16              time, but when they voted for 15-year


           17              contracts I just scratched my head, like,


           18              they must be crazy, you know, to give


           19              somebody a contract for 15 years.  That's a


           20              long time, so I would not be comfortable


           21              voting for a 15-year contract and if there


           22              is one up here I'm going to vote, no,


           23              because I criticized the two councils before


           24              me that did that, so I will be voting, no,


           25              and I don't know about anyone else up here






            1              but I would like to right write the mayor a


            2              letter and say that we would definitely be


            3              opposed to a 15-year contract.


            4                      Congratulations to the Tripp Park


            5              Neighborhood Association.  I'm not sure if


            6              Dave Kester is the new president.  He had


            7              been president for many years now and he did


            8              a wonderful job at the community center.  He


            9              cut the grass at the Dorothy Street


           10              playground.  The city reimbursed him for


           11              keeping that property clean and it's a lot


           12              of work when you have a community center,


           13              and before him was the founder of the Tripp


           14              Park Neighborhood Association, Gene Malino,


           15              know who has since passed away, but Gene was


           16              the founder of the Tripp Park Neighborhood


           17              Association and did many good deeds for the


           18              Council of Neighborhoods by fighting the


           19              utility companies.  Gene was our utility


           20              person and he want to all of the hearings on


           21              behalf of the neighborhoods and we sure miss


           22              him doing that.


           23                      Zoning, Janet wants to zone at the


           24              Daron.  Besides the Daron I think there are


           25              numerous places where the zoning just isn't






            1              right anymore.  There not a right fit with


            2              abutting neighborhoods, abutting


            3              neighborhood commercial.  We haven't had a


            4              new zoning ordinance since 1993, that's a


            5              long time to be living under the same zoning


            6              ordinance and that's why I think that we are


            7              having problems such as Daron and other


            8              businesses in neighborhoods zones.


            9                      I spoke to Donny King about this


           10              when I first got on council, I wanted


           11              proposals out for us to do a new zoning


           12              ordinance for the City of Scranton.  Zoning


           13              is probably the most important thing in a


           14              neighborhood is zoning.  Donny said that we


           15              were waiting for that Abington Planning


           16              Review thing to happen and then we were


           17              going to do a zoning, a new zoning plan.  I


           18              think that it's almost three years since I


           19              have been here and SAPA has not completed


           20              their mission yet, so I think that it's too


           21              long to be without a new zoning ordinance


           22              and that maybe we can do it in conjunction


           23              with SAPA, but I think that we need to at


           24              least put the request for proposals out


           25              because that in itself will take another two






            1              years.  You know, the wheels of justice move


            2              slowly in government and everything seems to


            3              take an awful long time, so I would make a


            4              motion that we send a letter also to the


            5              mayor that we would like a request for


            6              proposals to begin a new zoning ordinance


            7              for the City of Scranton.


            8                      MS. EVANS: Second.


            9                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


           10              in favor signify by saying aye.


           11                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           12                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           13                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           14                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           15              ayes have it and so moved.


           16                      MS. GATELLI:  Just a few more


           17              things, if you would like to call and you


           18              are in a restaurant and they are smoking,


           19              there is a hotline number to call, and I'm


           20              not sure if it's on Channel 61 yet, but


           21              maybe, Kay, is it on there?  It's


           22              1-877-835-9535, and that's the number to


           23              call for the Clean Indoor Air Act.


           24                      I also downloaded a report form


           25              which we will have in city council, I'll






            1              give it to Kay and anyone that has a problem


            2              we can mail you one, you have to be a patron


            3              or a customer to fill out the form.  I was


            4              going to fill out one for Mr. Spindler, but


            5              when I read it, it said you have to be a


            6              patron, so we'll make sure we get one of


            7              these to Les and if anyone needs one they


            8              call the office and we can mail it to them.


            9                   I belong to AARP, in case you didn't


           10              know I'm over 50, just a little bit, and


           11              they sent me a notice about the electric


           12              rates which many of you know because we


           13              received it in our bill if you want to pay


           14              it in he escrow ahead of time because it's


           15              going to go up so much they are afraid we


           16              are not going to be able to afford the bills


           17              so we pay it ahead of time starting now, and


           18              I got this, It says Pennsylvania Lawmakers


           19              must fix our electric rate crisis not just


           20              delay it.  It says that the rates are going


           21              to rise dramatically in 2010 and Governor


           22              Rendell and the lawmakers are having


           23              meetings with the state utilities hammering


           24              a deal that will still allow the power


           25              companies to charge excessive price






            1              increases.  It says we need true reform and


            2              it says to contact the governor and your


            3              state legislators that they fix the electric


            4              crisis.  Tell them you want to stop the move


            5              to complete the deregulation, require the


            6              utilities to give us electricity at the


            7              lowest cost possible, create a power


            8              authority to help utilities lower energy


            9              prices and don't mandate new smart meters


           10              without studying the cost and benefits to


           11              consumers.


           12                      I would like to make a motion that


           13              we send this request to the governor, to


           14              Kenny Smith, Frank Shimkus and Bob Mellow on


           15              behalf of the residents of our city that


           16              they do not go for complete deregulation and


           17              do the things that AARP has suggested, and


           18              I'll make that in the form of a motion.


           19                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Second.


           20                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


           21              those in favor signify by saying aye.


           22                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           23                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           24                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The






            1              ayes have it and so moved.


            2                      MS. GATELLI:  And one last thing, I


            3              know I'm talking a lot tonight, my husband


            4              will be happy, maybe I'll be quiet when I


            5              get home.  The last thing is the South Side


            6              Revitalization is having a public input


            7              meeting on Wednesday, October 29, from 6 to


            8              8, at United States Neighborhood Centers at


            9              425 Alder Street.  They need your


           10              suggestions for bringing positive changes


           11              into your South Side neighborhood.  National


           12              consultants, Wallace, Roberts and Todd, will


           13              be on-hand to kick off the program, so you


           14              are certainly welcome to come and we


           15              encourage all South Side residents to be


           16              there.  We are also going to have our South


           17              Side residents' neighborhood meeting at this


           18              same time that evening to try to get more


           19              people there for the Elm Street program and


           20              I'm going to also ask Kay if we can get this


           21              put on Channel 61.  And that's all I have.


           22              Thank you.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF: Mr. Courtright?


           24                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Yeah, I want to


           25              thank the DPW workers, they filled some






            1              potholes on Palmer Drive, I've always said


            2              how dangerous is its there and when the


            3              potholes are there it's a bad curve.  People


            4              go out in the other lane, as a matter of


            5              fact, this week the potholes were filled,


            6              this week somebody actually spun their car


            7              around and went into the woods on that


            8              curve.  Sometimes deer cross there, I don't


            9              know if they were trying to avoid a deer or


           10              what happened there, but I thank the DPW for


           11              helping me out with that.


           12                      You know, Mr. McGoff talked about


           13              the Steamtown Marathon and I have gone there


           14              every year I think for about the last six


           15              years, I like watching them come in, I


           16              admire those people and one thing I see each


           17              and every year this has gotten bigger and


           18              bigger, is the families of the people that


           19              run, the enthusiasm and the support they


           20              give the runners is something to see.  I


           21              stood there for several hours, you know, and


           22              just observed all of that and so a lot of


           23              credit to the family members, some of them


           24              travel from a distance and have their


           25              children with them and everything, and a lot






            1              of support and I thought that was very nice.


            2                   We are talking about Comcast.  I have


            3              more than one person tell me in the last


            4              couple of weeks that what they are doing is


            5              they are going to just use the basic, the


            6              basic Comcast, which I belive it was


            7              somewhere around $17 or whatever because


            8              they don't want to miss Channel 61, and then


            9              they went and they got Direct TV in


           10              conjunction with that and it still came out


           11              cheaper than their actual Comcast bill.  I


           12              don't know what they can do in this city,


           13              but I have been told in other cities they


           14              have more than one provider, you know, some


           15              two and three, so maybe that's an option,


           16              but I think you got to get yourself a better


           17              deal than what we have going on now.


           18                      I would like to thank Scranton Today


           19              for offering the live feed.  I hope that


           20              ECTV will accept their offer and maybe they


           21              can work together and they will be back


           22              live.  I don't see why they wouldn't accept


           23              the offer, so hopefully they will work


           24              together, members of ECTV and Scranton


           25              Today.  I saw Mr. Finnerty and Mr. Migliore






            1              talking out in the hallway, so I hope that's


            2              what they were talking about.


            3                      You know, we have talked about this


            4              $10,000 that went through the East Scranton


            5              Neighborhood Association and then over to


            6              ECTV, and if it's acceptable to everybody, I


            7              think maybe we looked into it already, but,


            8              Kay, maybe it we can ask Mrs. Aebli to just


            9              give us a full-blown report on this $10,000.


           10              Was it within the boundaries, was it not,


           11              did they avoid some of the rules?  Is there


           12              a possibility that that money is going to


           13              have to be returned?  Just if she can give


           14              us her professional opinion, she does run


           15              that department.  What is happening, was it


           16              right, was it not right and put something in


           17              writing to this council so we can see.


           18                      I don't know, I heard Mrs. Evans ask


           19              Mr. Darcy about the money and I believe he


           20              said some of it was used for salaries, was


           21              it not?  You know, I was under the


           22              impression that it couldn't be used for


           23              that, you know, and I'm a little confused at


           24              this point and I think maybe the public is


           25              too.  So, if she can clarify that as soon as






            1              possible I would appreciate that if that's


            2              agreeable to everybody else?


            3                      MS. EVANS: Yes.  But if you review


            4              the memorandum drafted by Attorney Minora it


            5              includes the only paperwork on that $10,000,


            6              copies of the only paperwork on that $10,000


            7              transaction and that was a thank you letter


            8              from Mr. McDonough and Mr. Darcy to OECD and


            9              a copy of the check.


           10                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Right.  And being


           11              that Mrs. Aebli is the head of that


           12              department ultimately, you know, if HUD were


           13              to come in and check on it she would be the


           14              one that would have to do the answering, so


           15              she has been pretty fair with me, you know,


           16              she has given me anything I have ever asked


           17              to be honest with you, so maybe we can ask


           18              her and if see could do that, Kay, as soon


           19              as possible we would appreciate it and let's


           20              put this $10,000 to rest one way or the


           21              other.  And that's all I have.


           22                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr.


           23              Courtright.  Very quickly a few things.  As


           24              far as Comcast is concerned, one of the


           25              things that I think we should really push






            1              for is some type of competitive bidding


            2              process once this contract is completed.  I


            3              know, as Mrs. Gatelli said, that other


            4              providers are reluctant to get involved


            5              because of the expense, but I think that we


            6              really have to at least provide the option


            7              for a competitive bidding process.


            8                      Also, I think that we have to be


            9              more -- that when the time comes and a


           10              contract is signed with or proposed with any


           11              provider that there has to be some stringent


           12              wording in that contract to protect those


           13              people who are paying for that service since


           14              it does essentially become a monopoly, we


           15              can't allow one company to just raise rates,


           16              you know, whenever they want and take away


           17              services as they will.  I know I have had


           18              numerous complaints from friends who have


           19              Comcast, and I just think that knowing what


           20              we know about the contracts that there needs


           21              to be some hard work done before a new one


           22              is completed.


           23                      Also, Mr. Dobson, I think that your


           24              question about Channel 62 is very legitimate


           25              and I will make some attempt to find out






            1              what the intent for Channel 62 is as far as


            2              programming.  I know at one time I believe


            3              the intent was supposed to be that Channel


            4              61 would be for governmental programming and


            5              Channel 62 was going to be for more


            6              cultural, social/cultural programming.  I


            7              don't know if that is still the plan, I


            8              don't know have Comcast so I don't see


            9              either channel, but I will see if I can find


           10              out.  I think that's a real legitimate


           11              question since there are two PEG channels,


           12              you know, what's happening with the second.


           13                   And let's move to Fifth Order.  Prior


           14              to Fifth Order I would like to make a motion


           15              to appoint Mrs. Gatelli as temporary chair


           16              for Community Development.  On the question?


           17              All in favor signify by saying aye.


           18                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           19                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           20                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           21                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           22              ayes have it and so moved.  Mrs. Garvey?


           23                      MS. GARVEY: FIFTH ORDER.  5-B.


           24              Before I read it I just want to make a


           25              correction that one of the names is






            1              misspelled in the legislation and I will


            2              take care and make sure that is the proper


            3              spelling to put back into it.


            4                      MS. EVANS: I have an additional


            5              concern though because it's listing Public


            6              Access Channel 61 and 62 and I know in our


            7              original legislation we had discussed that


            8              and I think we eliminated the numbers and


            9              replaced that with all PEG channels since


           10              the numbers could change more often than we


           11              anticipate.


           12                      MS. GATELLI:  I think they are


           13              changing already.


           14                      MS. EVANS: In November.


           15                      MS. GATELLI: Six and nine or


           16              something.


           17                      MR. MCGOFF: Didn't we just put in


           18              something?


           19                      MS. GATELLI:  PEG channels.


           20                      MR. MCGOFF: But, I think we also


           21              just indicated by saying something to the


           22              effect of management of public access


           23              channels now designated as 61 and 62.


           24                      MS. EVANS: That's fine.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF: All it needs is the






            1              additional one word.


            2                      MR. MINORA: Can I suggest the motion


            3              that maybe embodies what you are


            4              questioning?  Amending 5-B to say, "FOR


            5              INTRODUCTION - A RESOLUTION - PURSUANT TO


            6              FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 32 OF 2008, AS AMENDED,




            8              CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS TO THE OVERSIGHT




           10              TO OVERSEE THE MANAGEMENT OF ALL PUBLIC


           11              ACCESS CHANNELS BY ELECTRIC CITY TV," and


           12              then their names.  Does that work?


           13                      MR. MCGOFF: That would and fine.


           14              Anyone else?


           15                      MR. MINORA: You need that as a


           16              motion then to amend.


           17                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I'll make a motion


           18              that we amend 5-A to say all public access


           19              channels -- 5-B, all public access channels


           20              operated by Electric City TV to the Comcast


           21              cable system.


           22                      MS. EVANS: Second.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


           24              in favor signify by saying aye.


           25                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.






            1                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


            2                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


            3                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


            4              ayes have it and so moved.


            5                      MS. GARVEY: 5-B.  FOR INTRODUCTION -


            6              A RESOLUTION - PURSUANT TO FILE OF THE


            7              COUNCIL NO. 32, 2008, AS AMENDED THE






           10              TO ACT AS AN ADVISORY BOARD ONLY TO OVERSEE




           12              BY ELECTRIC CITY TELEVISION ("ECTV") THROUGH


           13              THE COMCAST CABLE SYSTEM: JACK FINNERTY,


           14              MARK MONAHAN, TOM WELBY, JAMES COYLE AND


           15              KAREN BAZZARI.


           16                      MR. MCGOFF: At this I'll entertain a


           17              motion that Item 5-B be introduced into it's


           18              proper committee.


           19                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.


           20                      MS. EVANS: Second.


           21                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?  All in


           22              favor signify by saying aye.


           23                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           24                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           25                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.






            1                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


            2              ayes have it and so moved.


            3                      MS. GARVEY: SIXTH ORDER.  NO


            4              BUSINESS AT THIS TIME.  SEVENTH ORDER.  7-A.


            5              FOR CONSIDERATION BY THE COMMITTEE ON


            6              FINANCE - FOR ADOPTION - FILE OF COUNCIL NO.


            7              42, 2008- SALE OF TAX DELINQUENT PROPERTY


            8              MORE COMMONLY KNOWN AS 902-908 NORTH




           10              TO ALFRED D. PANTUSO, SR., RD #2, BOX 2165,


           11              MOSCOW, PENNSYLVANIA, 18444, FOR THE


           12              CONSIDERATION OF $8,000.00.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF: What is the


           14              recommendation of the Chairperson for the


           15              Committee on Finance?


           16                      MS. GATELLI:  As Chair for the


           17              Committee on Finance, I recommend final


           18              passage of 7-A.


           19                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.


           20                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  Roll


           21              call, please.


           22                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.


           23                      MS. EVANS:  Yes.


           24                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Gatelli.


           25                      MS. GATELLI.  Yes.






            1                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.  Mr.


            2              Courtright.


            3                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Yes.


            4                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.


            5                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes.  I hereby declare


            6              item 7-A legally and lawfully adopted.


            7                      MS. GARVEY: 7-B. FOR CONSIDERATION


            8              BY THE COMMITTEE ON FINANCE - FOR ADOPTION -


            9              FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 43 , 2008 (AS AMENDED)


           10              SALE OF TAX DELINQUENT PROPERTY MORE


           11              COMMONLY KNOWN AS 2110 CAPOUSE AVENUE,


           12              SCRANTON, PENNSYLVANIA, TO MARK F. AND


           13              CHRISTINE L. FRYER, 902 WOODLAWN STREET,


           14              SCRANTON, PENNSYLVANIA, 18509, FOR THE


           15              CONSIDERATION OF $2,000.00.


           16                      MR. MCGOFF: What is the


           17              recommendation of the Chair for the


           18              Committee on Finance?


           19                      MS. GATELLI: As Chair for the


           20              Committee on Finance, I recommend final


           21              passage of 7-B.


           22                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  Roll


           24              call, please?


           25                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.






            1                      MS. EVANS:  Yes.


            2                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Gatelli.


            3                      MS. GATELLI.  Yes.


            4                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.  Mr.


            5              Courtright.


            6                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Yes.


            7                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.


            8                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes.  I hereby declare


            9              Item 7-B legally and lawfully adopted.


           10                      MS. GARVEY: 7-C. FOR CONSIDERATION -


           11              BY THE COMMITTEE ON FINANCE - FOR ADOPTION -


           12              FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 44, 2008 - SALE OF TAX




           14              902-904 MADISON AVENUE, SCRANTON,




           16              RR 2, BOX 2051, STROUDSBURG, PENNSYLVANIA,


           17              18360, FOR THE CONSIDERATION OF $5,000.00.


           18                      MR. MCGOFF: What the recommendation


           19              for the Chair for the Committee on Finance?


           20                      MS. GATELLI: As Chair for Finance, I


           21              recommend final passage of 7-C.


           22                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Second.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  Roll


           24              call, please?


           25                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.






            1                      MS. EVANS:  Yes.


            2                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Gatelli.


            3                      MS. GATELLI.  Yes.


            4                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.  Mr.


            5              Courtright.


            6                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Yes.


            7                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.


            8                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes.  I hereby declare


            9              Item 7-C legally and lawfully adopted.


           10                      MS. GARVEY: 7-D.




           12              - FOR ADOPTION -  RESOLUTION NO. 71, 2008 -


           13              APPOINTMENT OF ELMER J. NALEVANKO, 1000




           15              18509, AS A MEMBER OF THE ETHICS COMMISSION,


           16              EFFECTIVE JULY 13, 2007.  MR. NALEVANKO WILL


           17              BE REPLACING LORAYNE TALLO WHOSE TERM


           18              EXPIRED ON JULY 12, 2007.  MR. NALEVANKO'S


           19              TERM WILL EXPIRE ON JULY 12, 2012.


           20                      MR. MCGOFF: As Chairperson for the


           21              Committee on Rules, I recommend final


           22              passage of Item 7-D.


           23                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.


           24                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  Roll


           25              call, please?






            1                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.


            2                      MS. EVANS:  Yes.


            3                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Gatelli.


            4                      MS. GATELLI.  Yes.


            5                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.  Mr.


            6              Courtright.


            7                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Yes.


            8                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.


            9                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes.  I hereby declare


           10              Item 7-D legally and lawfully adopted.


           11                      MS. GARVEY: 7-E. FOR CONSIDERATION -


           12              BY THE COMMITTEE ON RULES -  FOR ADOPTION -


           13              RESOLUTION NO. 72, 2008 - RE-APPOINTMENT OF


           14              KEVIN A. ICKER, 108 ABBY WAY, SCRANTON,


           15              PENNSYLVANIA, 18504, AS A MEMBER OF THE


           16              ETHICS COMMISSION.  MR. ICKER'S TERM EXPIRED


           17              ON JULY 12, 2006.  MR. ICKER'S NEW


           18              TERM WILL EXPIRE ON JULY 12, 2011.


           19                      MR. MCGOFF: As Chair for the


           20              Committee on Rules, I recommend final


           21              passage of Item 7-E.


           22                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?  Roll


           24              call, please?  I'm sorry.


           25                      MS. EVANS:  I many not going to be






            1              voting in favor of this piece of legislation


            2              because Mr. Icker would have been party to


            3              the problems experienced by that group that


            4              had filed an ethics complaint which had


            5              never been addressed.


            6                      MR. MCGOFF:  Anyone else?  Roll


            7              call, please?


            8                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.


            9                      MS. EVANS:  No.


           10                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Gatelli.


           11                      MS. GATELLI.  Yes.


           12                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.  Mr.


           13              Courtright.


           14                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Yes.


           15                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.


           16                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes.  I hereby declare


           17              Item 7-E legally and lawfully adopted.


           18                      MS. GARVEY: 7-F.  FOR CONSIDERATION




           20              -  FOR ADOPTION - RESOLUTION NO. 73, 2008 -










           25              PARK SERVICE AND THE CITY OF SCRANTON,






            1              PENNSYLVANIA OFFICE OF ECONOMIC AND








            5              NATIONAL HISTORIC SITE (THE "PARK") THAT IS


            6              INCLUDED IN THE 500 BLOCK OF LACKAWANNA


            7              AVENUE PROJECT ENTITLED "PARK, PLAZA AND


            8              PEDESTRIAN COURT.


            9                      MR. MCGOFF: What is the


           10              recommendation of the temporary chair for


           11              the Committee on Community Development.


           12                      MS. GATELLI: As Chair for the


           13              Committee on Community Development, I


           14              recommend final passage of Item 7-F.


           15                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.


           16                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?


           17                      MS. EVANS: The 500-block of


           18              Lackawanna Avenue project doesn't include


           19              two anchor city businesses, therefore, I


           20              will be voting, no, even though it is a very


           21              worthy project.


           22                      MR. MCGOFF: Roll call, please?


           23                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.


           24                      MS. EVANS:  No.


           25                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Gatelli.






            1                      MS. GATELLI.  Yes.


            2                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.  Mr.


            3              Courtright.


            4                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Yes.


            5                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.


            6                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes.  I hereby declare


            7              Item 7-F legally and lawfully adopted.


            8                      MS. GARVEY: 7-G. FOR CONSIDERATION -


            9              BY THE COMMITTEE ON PUBLIC SAFETY-  FOR


           10              ADOPTION - RESOLUTION NO. 74, 2008 -








           14              PURCHASE AGREEMENT LEASE NO. 6293000 BETWEEN




           16              COMPANY FOR THE LEASE- PURCHASE OF SEVEN (7)


           17              NEW 2008 POLICE VEHICLES.


           18                      MR. MCGOFF: What is the


           19              recommendation of the Chairperson for the


           20              Committee on Public Safety.


           21                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  As Chairperson for


           22              the Committee on Public Safety, I recommend


           23              final passage of Item 7-G.


           24                      MS. EVANS: Second.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?  Roll






            1              call, please?


            2                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.


            3                      MS. EVANS:  Yes.


            4                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Gatelli.


            5                      MS. GATELLI.  Yes.


            6                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.  Mr.


            7              Courtright.


            8                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Yes.


            9                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.


           10                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes.  I hereby declare


           11              Item 7-G legally and lawfully adopted.


           12                      MS. GARVEY: 7-H. FOR CONSIDERATION


           13              BY THE COMMITTEE ON PUBLIC SAFETY - FOR


           14              ADOPTION - RESOLUTION NO. 75, 2008 - A


           15              RESOLUTION IN SUPPORT OF HOUSE BILL 1768.


           16                      MR. MCGOFF: What is the


           17              recommendation of the Chairperson for the


           18              Committee on Public Safety?


           19                      MR. COURTRIGHT: As Chairperson for


           20              the Committee on Public Safety, I recommend


           21              final passage of Item 7-H.


           22                      MS. EVANS: Second.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?  Roll


           24              call, please?


           25                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.






            1                      MS. EVANS:  Yes.


            2                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Gatelli.


            3                      MS. GATELLI.  Yes.


            4                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.  Mr.


            5              Courtright.


            6                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Yes.


            7                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.


            8                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes.  I hereby declare


            9              Item 7-H legally and lawfully adopted.  A


           10              motion to adjourn, please?


           11                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  So moved.


           12                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you for your


           13              participation.






























            1                     C E R T I F I C A T E




            3        I hereby certify that the proceedings and


            4   evidence are contained fully and accurately in the


            5   notes of testimony taken by me at the hearing of the


            6   above-captioned matter and that the foregoing is a true


            7   and correct transcript of the same to the best of my


            8   ability.







                                    CATHENE S. NARDOZZI, RPR

           12                       OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER