1              SCRANTON CITY COUNCIL MEETING








            5                          HELD:




            7              Tuesday, September 23, 2008




            9                        LOCATION:


           10                    Council Chambers


           11                 Scranton City Hall


           12              340 North Washington Avenue


           13                Scranton, Pennsylvania





















                        CATHENE S. NARDOZZI, RPR -  COURT REPORTER






















                MS. JANET E. EVANS



            9   MS. SHERRY FANUCCI



                MR. WILLIAM COURTRIGHT



           12   MS. KAY GARVEY, CITY CLERK






           15   MR. JOHN MINORA, SOLICITOR


























            1                      (Pledge of Allegiance recited and


            2              moment of reflection observed.)


            3                      MR. MCGOFF: Roll call, please.


            4                      MS. MAGNOTTA: Mrs. Evans.


            5                      MS. EVANS:  Here.


            6                      MS. MAGNOTTA: Mrs. Gatelli.


            7                      MS. GATELLI.  Here.


            8                      MS. MAGNOTTA: Ms. Fanucci.


            9                      MS. FANUCCI:  Here.


           10                      MS. MAGNOTTA:  Mr. Courtright.


           11                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Here.


           12                      MS. MAGNOTTA:  Mr. McGoff.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF:  Here.  Dispense with


           14              the reading of the minutes.


           15                      MS. GARVEY: THIRD ORDER.  3-A.




           17              MEETING HELD ON SEPTEMBER 17, 2008.


           18                      MR. MCGOFF: Are there any comments?


           19              If not, received and filed.


           20                      MS. GARVEY: 3-B. AGENDA FOR THE




           22              TO BE HELD ON SEPTEMBER 24, 2008.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF: Are there any comments?


           24              If not, received and filed.


           25                      MS. GARVEY: 3-C. PETITION FOR A






            1              STREET LIGHT IN THE 900 BLOCK OF GREENRIDGE


            2              STREET.


            3                      MR. MCGOFF: Are there any comments?


            4              If not, received and filed.


            5                      MS. GARVEY: 3-D. CONTROLLER'S REPORT


            6              FOR THE MONTH ENDING AUGUST 31, 2008.


            7                      MR. MCGOFF: Are there any comments?


            8              If not, received and filed.


            9                      MS. GARVEY: 3-E. MINUTES OF THE




           11              AUGUST 27, 2008.


           12                      MR. MCGOFF: Are there any comments?


           13              If not, received and filed.


           14                      MS. GARVEY: 3-F. MINUTES OF THE




           16              HELD ON AUGUST 27, 2008.


           17                      MR. MCGOFF: Are there any comments?


           18              If not, received and filed.


           19                      MS. GARVEY: That's it for Third


           20              Order.


           21                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.  Any


           22              announcements from council?  Mrs. Evans?


           23                      MS. EVANS: I also ask for your


           24              prayers this week or all of those who died


           25              particularly, Michael F. Cummings, Sr., a






            1              constant at St. Ann's Novena, Mary Guston


            2              Duprey who opened her home to me when I


            3              first sought political office, and George


            4              Guston, a retired Scranton firefighter.


            5              Please remember the family and friends they


            6              leave behind as well.


            7                      Also, the Upper Hill Ecumenical


            8              Committee comprised of Myrtle Street


            9              Methodist Church, Immaculate Conception


           10              Church, and St. Peter's Evangelical Lutheran


           11              Church, will be conducting events during the


           12              remainder of 2008 to benefit the St. Francis


           13              of Assisi kitchen.  A monthly friendly


           14              family fun night will be held at the Dunmore


           15              Friendly's restaurant during the hours of 5


           16              to 8 p.m., tomorrow, September 24.  You can


           17              make a difference in the lives of the poor.


           18              Please try to dine out once each month and


           19              encourage others to do so as well.  Thank


           20              you.


           21                      MS. GATELLI: On Saturday evening,


           22              September 27, there will be a benefit for


           23              Nancy McCaan Ruether, a victim of multiple


           24              sclerosis.  It will be held at the 606 Club


           25              in South Scranton from 2 to 7.  The tickets






            1              are $12 at the door and you may call


            2              342-6909 or 677-8672 for any further


            3              information.


            4                      On October 1st at 6:00 there will an


            5              evening of jazz at the Scranton Cultural


            6              Center.  You can get tickets by calling the


            7              box office 693-4100.  Also, on October 3, at


            8              the Cultural Center is the play "Altar Boys"


            9              and the number, again, is 69-4100.  This was


           10              an off-Broadway play that was very


           11              successful and we are fortunate to have


           12              these plays come to our cultural center.


           13                   Also, on October 4, they are starting


           14              the children's series again at the cultural


           15              center on the fourth floor and the first one


           16              is at 11:00 on Saturday, October 4, and the


           17              tickets are $11, and it's Charlotte's Web.


           18              Thank all I have.  Thank you.


           19                      MR. MCGOFF: Anyone else?  Fourth


           20              Order.  Citizens' participation.  Andy


           21              Sbaraglia.


           22                      MR. SBARAGLIA: Andy Sbaraglia,


           23              citizen of Scranton.  Fellow Scrantonians,


           24              I'm of course to speak on 6-B, I got the


           25              amortization sheets for this loan and this






            1              is printed officially, whether it's right or


            2              wrong I have no way of knowing, but I'm


            3              going to read off the figures off the


            4              amortization chart.  Okay, they plan to


            5              borrow $6,100,000.  '09 the interest will be


            6              $1,118, 333.33.  Ten, 1,220,000.  Eleven,


            7              1.219,000.  Twelve, 1,218,000.  Thirteen,


            8              1,217,000.  Fourteen, 1,216,000.  Fifteen,


            9              1,215,000.  Sixteen, 1,214,000.  Seventeen,


           10              1,213,000.  Eighteen, 1,212,000.  Nineteen,


           11              1,210,000.  Twenty, 1,208,00.  Twenty-one,


           12              1,206,000.  Twenty-two, 1,203,000.


           13              Twenty-three, 1,200,000.  Twenty-four,


           14              1,196,00.  Twenty-five, 988,000.


           15              Twenty-six, 481,000 for a grand total in


           16              interest on their $6,100,000 to be


           17              $20,830,000.55, and that's stated here.


           18                   Now, we also got a letter of credit


           19              that went along with this piece of fiasco.


           20              Common sense would tell you the city should


           21              borrow the money, buy back the lease and be


           22              done with it instead of playing a shell


           23              game, taking money from one place and


           24              putting it in another back.  There was also


           25              some in your legislation also a sinking fund






            1              that was tied in with this.  It doesn't make


            2              sense and, granted, moneywise it does not


            3              make sense.  It'd make more sense for the


            4              city to take out a loan, buy back whatever


            5              we have to do with the Sewer Authority and


            6              forget about all of these transfers here,


            7              there and everywhere because the money is


            8              being lost.  I read one of our letters of


            9              credit and that runs up to 8 1/2 percent in


           10              some of lines that letter of credit, because


           11              they gave a letter of credit for one time


           12              when they built the parking garage and they


           13              had a letter of credit and I read it, so


           14              what's here may not be true, which I know it


           15              isn't, but I just read it because it's


           16              official.


           17                      But the letter of credit is what you


           18              want to read.  You want them to give you a


           19              cop eve that letter of credit before you do


           20              anything up there because that's where the


           21              quirks is because they get that letter of


           22              credit that's, i don't know what it would


           23              mean because I don't know, it might be up to


           24              10,000 like the last time, I don't know.  It


           25              might be 8,000, it might be 61, there is no






            1              way for me to know it.  All I know is there


            2              is a letter of credit attached.  That's all


            3              I got to say on that.


            4                      I mean, this is a joke what they


            5              gave you.  I wish they were more realistic


            6              on the figures.  You know darn well you are


            7              not going to borrow $6,100,000 and have to


            8              pay $20,839,000 in interest plus the


            9              principle, that's ridiculous.  Why they want


           10              it, they explained it one time before.  The


           11              reason why they did it is they don't want to


           12              come back to you, you are a nuisance.  You


           13              pass this off, they can take 10 percent if


           14              they want, they can go 3 percent if they


           15              want, there is no way of knowing what they


           16              are going to get, especially with our credit


           17              rating, and I don't think the SRA has a


           18              better one that that, and the question is we


           19              have to pay it anyway.  I assume we are


           20              going to have to pay the SRA for rental on


           21              this garage, that would make sense.  So, I


           22              don't know if the rental payments is


           23              anything in line with these amortization


           24              numbers or not.  All I know is it makes more


           25              sense to borrow the money, pay off it and be






            1              done with it.


            2                      I also read into the financial


            3              statement from the controller's office,


            4              okay?  The controller had come out and


            5              actually their audit complete.  I don't know


            6              where our audit is, so I'm not even going to


            7              worry about it, but I do know this, this is


            8              the '06, they had -- in a line number


            9              38,000, other revenues 18,187,308.00 not


           10              classified, so he that's a good thing for


           11              you to look at exactly where that money was


           12              and where it came from.  Thank you.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you,


           14              Mr. Sbaraglia.  Bob Bolus.


           15                      MR. BOLUS: Good evening, Council,


           16              Bob Bolus, Scranton.  Just on 6-B, I'm not


           17              going to add anything more than Andy did, I


           18              think you have to pay serious attention to


           19              what's going on in this city and putting us


           20              further in debt.


           21                      I have a couple of questions, and if


           22              you can answer it I would appreciate it.


           23              First of all, John McCain was in town, did


           24              anyone here attend his town meeting from


           25              council or were any members of council there






            1              that attended it?


            2                      MR. COURTRIGHT: No.


            3                      MR. BOLUS:  I didn't see the mayor


            4              there, but let me tell you my opinion and my


            5              feelings on this.  This isn't political,


            6              when everybody ran for an office, I ran for


            7              offices in the past and so have other


            8              people, when we ran for an office we ran


            9              representing all of the people, not their


           10              party affiliations or who they were voting


           11              for or who they thought they should vote


           12              for.  We always ran as this council did, as


           13              the mayor did, as representatives of all of


           14              the people.  I think it's disgraceful that


           15              none of our elected officials met Mr. McCain


           16              in this city to greet him.  We are in the


           17              national limelight and we look like a bunch


           18              of hillbillies, and that's wrong.  Your


           19              actions, that of the mayor and other elected


           20              officials represents us and you make us look


           21              bad.


           22                      When you ran you are supposed to


           23              represent us, put your politics to the side,


           24              I don't know care what party you belong to,


           25              if you are Democrat or Republican,






            1              Independent or you are not even there to


            2              vote, you represent taxpayers, you represent


            3              the senior citizens of this city that can't


            4              go there.  A cordial introduction and


            5              greeting someone to our city is more


            6              important than ignorance of not doing so,


            7              and on that part there I think it's just


            8              wrong and you all have to take a hard look


            9              internally to yourselves.  What you vote for


           10              or who you vote for that's not important.


           11                      Chris Doherty is the mayor of this


           12              city and he is a disgrace.  He sat up the


           13              street with Governor Rendell doing other


           14              projects in the city yet somebody who has


           15              the potential of becoming the president of


           16              the United States is ignored.  I think


           17              that's shameful on this council and on the


           18              administration.


           19                      You know, I don't like to criticize


           20              people, I always like to see something done,


           21              but I'm a mission to Iwo Jima to return a


           22              Marine who fell on that flag being raised on


           23              Mt. Suribachi that gave each and every one


           24              us in this room, in this country, the


           25              freedom we have to stand here and speak






            1              today and you haven't honored that flag.


            2                   John McCain did his job.  He gave us


            3              our freedom.  You owe him respect.  You owe


            4              Sara Palin.  You owe Obama.  You owe Joe


            5              Biden, and Joe Biden is a very good friend


            6              of mine.  During the La Fiesta Joe Biden and


            7              I embraced each other.  It's not about party


            8              with me, it's about the individuals.  It's


            9              been about the respect of the people that


           10              put you where you sit.  Put that mayor where


           11              he sits and he is a disgrace because he


           12              humiliated each and every one of us in this


           13              city.


           14                      I want to see what you do when the


           15              next candidate shows up here.  What respect


           16              you are giving us, because your actions


           17              represents who we are voting for, who we


           18              were supporting, that's not right.  You


           19              can't do that to us.  I saw it and I'm going


           20              to get off that because I think I have said


           21              enough about it and I hope you pay attention


           22              to it because if not I will be back here.


           23                      I didn't appreciate Judy trying to


           24              shut me up a couple of weeks ago.  I fought


           25              for freedom of speech at this podium and I






            1              won't tolerate it.  I listen to what you


            2              people have to say.  When you make a comment


            3              in the newspaper, I have every right as a


            4              citizen to come in here and tell you about


            5              it and question you on it and if you can't


            6              do it, you shouldn't sit in those seats.


            7                      I listened about Junior Council, I


            8              supported it, Judy supported it, but a lot


            9              of you failed miserably and I saw that in


           10              the past to these kids.  They came as


           11              interns and not one of you took them under


           12              your wings.  Judy tried to help as much as


           13              she could, but they didn't want to be


           14              nurses.  They wanted to learn about city


           15              business.  You should in conscience


           16              reinstate that Junior Council and give kids


           17              of the future a chance today by being mature


           18              adults.  You were educators, please do that.


           19              Give these kids a chance, that's your job


           20              and give the people of the City of Scranton


           21              their just due by respecting them and not


           22              playing party.  Thank you.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr. Bolus.


           24              Ozzie Quinn.


           25                      MR. QUINN:  Thank you.  Ozzie Quinn,






            1              Taxpayers' Association.  It's near budget


            2              time and I guess you all realize that the


            3              Scranton School District the teachers'


            4              contract was awarded and they did pass a


            5              resolution which they can increase the taxes


            6              up to 6.4 percent and we know that the


            7              county is $207,000,000 in long-term and


            8              principal debt and the city, according to a


            9              2006 independent audit is $108,000,000, so I


           10              ask you to consider make sure that you try


           11              to cut the fat out of this budget.  We don't


           12              need these people that are working within


           13              this administration.  There is too much


           14              money involved here and there is too many


           15              people suffering.


           16                      Now, I want to speak about 6-C on


           17              Community Development Block Grant Program.


           18              Under the CDBG the city is entitled


           19              $3,375,429.00.  The Emergency Shelter Grant,


           20              which is separate, will receive


           21              $151,287,000.00 and HOME will receive


           22              $628,183.00 for a total of $4,154,899.00.


           23                   Now, we all know the economic


           24              conditions that exist and we all know the


           25              foreclosures and we all know the homeless,






            1              how a lot of these people will be going into


            2              the homeless.  We also know that the


            3              homeless, the mentally ill, those that are


            4              not working, and so on and so on, it's


            5              increasing.  I'm not saying that the agency


            6              has their say in that.  The food pantries


            7              are empty.  Now, we have nine agencies and


            8              you are receiving $151,287,000 to divide


            9              among nine agencies.  It comes out to about


           10              $15,000.  Now, that's ridiculous.


           11                      We had about a 700 billion bailout


           12              and we will are looking at a municipality


           13              getting $151,000.00 for homeless and I know


           14              that it's going to increase.  Now, I don't


           15              want to talk about libraries, please, put


           16              that on the back burner, let's talk about


           17              what's going to happen this winter.  We all


           18              know it's going to be hard on the people


           19              finding shelter, and I feel sorry for these


           20              agencies, the fact none of them finding


           21              shelter the fact is the food, I don't even


           22              see St. Francis of Assisi kitchen on here


           23              and I know every homeless person -- I bet


           24              every homeless person eats their meal down


           25              there and plus others, okay?






            1                      So, I'm asking you back two years


            2              ago you give will mayor unequivocally over


            3              half a million dollars of UDAG funds, Urban


            4              Development Action Grant loan to be paid, he


            5              asked that you keep that money for his only


            6              little nest egg, his own little


            7              discretionary funds and not you, Council,


            8              some of the council before approved it,


            9              $577,000.00.  He can do whatever he wants


           10              with that as proven.


           11                      Now, I'm asking you to please ask


           12              him be a little compassionate this year and


           13              break loose some of that money for this


           14              Emergency Shelter Program so we can start


           15              stocking our pantries and giving St. Francis


           16              a little shot in the arm and hopefully we


           17              can get help with the homeless problem


           18              that's going to be resulting this winter.


           19                   We have some difficult times ahead of


           20              us with the taxes, the debt and with the


           21              economy how it is and hopefully that the


           22              mayor will look at this and I hope that


           23              council will look at this and give it a


           24              priority when they look at the funding for


           25              Community Development Block Grant funding






            1              that somehow you can get some money into the


            2              Emergency Shelter Grant program.  Thank you.


            3                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr. Quinn.


            4              Jim Stucker.


            5                      MR. STUCKER:  We need a light on


            6              Mulberry there.  I just noticed today, a


            7              blinking light.  We need a light there in


            8              the corner, right on the corner of Mulberry.


            9              The light is out coming across.  There is


           10              lines there, no lines that come across to


           11              make it across the road on Mulberry and on


           12              Adams, too.  What we need are lines


           13              everywhere I can think of.  When need one on


           14              Mulberry and on Adams and Quincy.  We need


           15              lines all over.  We need lines, a lot of


           16              them.


           17                      MS. EVANS: Where is the light, Jim,


           18              Mulberry and what?


           19                      MR. STUCKER: Adams.  Quincy and


           20              Adams.


           21                      MS. EVANS: The light now that you


           22              are talking that's out.


           23                      MR. STUCKER:  Yeah, the light is


           24              out, yes.


           25                      MS. EVANS: And Mulberry and Adams?






            1                      MR. STUCKER:  Yeah, where they have


            2              the light right across the street from the


            3              -- where they have VA Hospital across the


            4              street from that, right on Capouse, the


            5              corner of Capouse and Mulberry.


            6                      MS. EVANS: Right, a streetlight, but


            7              I was wondering if you would be able to on


            8              your travels get the number --


            9                      MR. STUCKER: I have been riding on


           10              that --


           11                      MS. EVANS: -- off that pole of the


           12              streetlight?


           13                      MR. STUCKER: There is nothing on the


           14              pole.  Nothing.  There is nothing on the


           15              pole, it's right by the -- right there by


           16              the -- they have it right by the soup


           17              kitchen, on the same block the soup kitchen


           18              is on, right on the corner of Mulberry.  I


           19              was over there today, there is no light


           20              there.  No light to turn yellow or red.


           21                      MS. EVANS: You are talking about a


           22              traffic light -


           23                      MR. STUCKER: The traffic light.


           24                      MS. EVANS: I thought you meant the


           25              streetlight.






            1                      MR. STUCKER:  No, the traffic light.


            2              There is no traffic light on the corner of


            3              Mulberry across from the -- across the


            4              street from the, what did you call it, for


            5              Army guys?


            6                      MR. COURTRIGHT: The Veteran's


            7              Center.


            8                      MR. STUCKER: Yeah.  Yeah.  Across


            9              the street from there by the corner of


           10              Mulberry, right there at the building, and


           11              we have a lot of people parking again over


           12              town right on Adams Avenue there, right by


           13              the bank there, there is no way that buses


           14              can park.


           15                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Okay, Jim.


           16                      MR. STUCKER: And there not enough


           17              cops out.  We need cops over by McGinty's, I


           18              heard a shooting over there again last week.


           19              They have been shootings all over the place,


           20              South Side, everywhere you go there is


           21              somebody getting shot.  About two weeks ago


           22              somebody got shot inside of the building,


           23              inside of the house, so we got to get


           24              something done.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF: We are trying and I'm






            1              sure that Scranton police are trying as


            2              well.


            3                      MR. STUCKER:  We need more people.


            4                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Jim.  Yes, we


            5              do.


            6                      MR. STUCKER: We need more out there.


            7                      MR. MCGOFF: Yes, we do.


            8                      MR. STUCKER:  And I talked to Andy,


            9              Andy just ignored me.  Andy, the guy across


           10              the street from Cole Muffler, he has that


           11              bar up there and he owns it, his name is


           12              Andy, I usually ignore him and he went to


           13              the power building and he just ignored me


           14              and he wouldn't turn around and say, here's


           15              the 20 bucks for me.  He owes me money for


           16              doing the grass in the back.


           17                      MR. MCGOFF: Oh, okay.


           18                      MR. STUCKER:  So maybe you can send


           19              him a letter.


           20                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I told you last


           21              week, Jim, you got to get the money before


           22              you do the job because they are sticking you


           23              all the time, right?  Tell them you want to


           24              be paid up-front, got it?


           25                      MR. STUCKER: Yeah.






            1                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  This way they don't


            2              stick you.


            3                      MR. STUCKER:  He gets me the money,


            4              I don't care, 20 bucks I wouldn't care.


            5                      MR. MCGOFF: Okay.


            6                      MR. STUCKER:  All right?  The


            7              garbage has been picked up a lot, so --


            8                      MR. MCGOFF:  Good.  All right.


            9              Thank you, Jim.


           10                      MR. STUCKER: And Mr. Courtright just


           11              told me to ask you about the 75 from the


           12              mayor?  Yeah, he asked me if I would ask


           13              you?


           14                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Jim, I think the 25


           15              that we got you, I think that's it.  I don't


           16              think you are going to see the other 75.


           17                      MR. STUCKER:  All right.  All right.


           18                      MR. COURTRIGHT: All right.


           19                      MR. STUCKER: I live in a good


           20              building now, I don't live up Providence


           21              Square no more, I live on Adams Avenue, it's


           22              a better building.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Jim.  We'll


           24              look into it.  Mike Dudek.


           25                      MR. DUDEK:  Mike Dudek, 608 Depot






            1              Street, Scranton, PA, I live down there in


            2              the plot.  Two things I want to bring up,


            3              about three years ago I came to the same


            4              podium to ask the city to take a look at the


            5              situation at the intersection of Nay Aug


            6              Avenue and Albright Street.  Now, since I


            7              came here that was part of a large project


            8              that's being finished up now, but when I


            9              came here I complained that there was at


           10              that time a big blue garbage can that was


           11              disappearing into the street and I thought


           12              that the street itself looked unsafe.  Well,


           13              as it turns out, the people, the men doing


           14              the actual work, told me that the hole


           15              underneath the street at this time was big


           16              enough to put a fire truck into and that I


           17              was right, it was a sink hole, and the only


           18              reason why we didn't hear anything about it


           19              was because the men that were on the job


           20              that tore up the street they repaired it,


           21              they took care of it, but, they were able to


           22              do is quickly because they didn't have to


           23              excavate it.  They didn't have any


           24              excavation.  The water took care of that.


           25                   Now, with that thought in mind, I'm






            1              going to put you onto another situation that


            2              in my eye I think is worse than that


            3              situation I had seen three years ago.  It is


            4              on Olyphant Avenue, the very last property


            5              on Olyphant Avenue leading out of the city


            6              towards Throop is 3440 Olyphant Avenue.  I


            7              came here and asked city council to see


            8              about putting a storm drain in.  About


            9              100 feet north of that property that storm


           10              drain was installed, installed properly and


           11              is still there.


           12                      My concern is about another 40 or


           13              50 feet north of the storm drain the street


           14              is beginning to cave in.  There is a red


           15              sawhorse, a DPW wooden sawhorse that's over


           16              the hole, but if you are driving a car, I


           17              defy you to try to find the sawhorse.  You


           18              are not going to see it.  It is sinking into


           19              the ground.  I think you have a situation


           20              there that's far worse than the situation


           21              that existed underneath Albright and Nay


           22              Aug.  I think somebody out to go up there


           23              with one of those mini-cams that's at the


           24              end of a snake and stick it down there with


           25              a light and see exactly what it is happening






            1              to the street underneath that location.  It


            2              looks very bad.  There aren't many streets


            3              in the City of Scranton that are growing


            4              grass, but this one is.  Grass is actually


            5              growing out of the sink hole through the


            6              pavement obscuring this.  If a bus ever hits


            7              it or a vehicle ever hits it, we are going


            8              to have some serious injuries and maybe even


            9              fatalities.  I'm describing a serious


           10              situation to you and I would like you to


           11              please send somebody up there to take a look


           12              at it and then please see if you can repair


           13              it.  That's the first thing I wanted to


           14              mention.


           15                      The second thing, I had a similar


           16              take to the McCain visit that the previous


           17              speaker had, but with one exception, I don't


           18              think that as city council that you had an


           19              obligation as a councilors to be there, but


           20              I did wonder where the mayor was.  Whenever


           21              a presidential candidate comes into the city


           22              the size of the City of Scranton the first


           23              contact is normally made by secret service


           24              with the local police and the local fire


           25              department to make sure all safety issues






            1              that the secret service want to address are


            2              taken care of, that's normal procedure, but


            3              when this contact is made then normally the


            4              next person to be notified that a person is


            5              coming to town of the stature of Senator


            6              McCain or Senator Obama, the next person to


            7              be notified is the mayor and when I saw that


            8              the mayor himself wasn't there, you know,


            9              I'm beginning to think that Mayor Doherty


           10              might be the third most famous groundhog in


           11              the State of Pennsylvania.  Where is he?  He


           12              is the chief executive of the city.  He had


           13              an obligation to be there to welcome


           14              Mr. McCain, and the same thing if Sara Palin


           15              comes to town or Joe Biden or Barack Obama,


           16              any of those four people, they are bringing


           17              the potential of the presidency or the


           18              vice-presidency to this city and I think we


           19              as people of the City of Scranton ought to


           20              extend to them the warmest welcome that we


           21              can and I think we missed an opportunity


           22              there.  I think that was a good point to be


           23              made.


           24                      I could not blame any of you as


           25              council people for doing that because you






            1              are legislative more than anything and


            2              that's really an executive privilege to


            3              attend meetings like that.  I really was


            4              kind of upset that the mayor had not decided


            5              to attend or to find out because he had to


            6              have been notified.  He is the chief


            7              executive of the city so for safety's sake


            8              he had to have been notified that the visit


            9              was coming.  Thank you.


           10                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr. Dudek.


           11              Fay Franus.


           12                      MS. FRANUS:  Fay Franus, Scranton.


           13              When I came in earlier I was talking to Mark


           14              from ECTV and I asked him why they didn't


           15              film the caucus last week with Stu Renda,


           16              Mr. Renda, I'm sorry, and he said that


           17              nobody asked him to.  So, I'm asking


           18              somebody on council, I don't know who would


           19              be in charge, if there is going to be a


           20              caucus again in this room or a public


           21              hearing that's important to everybody to


           22              please make sure that ECTV is asked since


           23              they stood right there and they said didn't


           24              do it because they weren't asked.  It makes


           25              no sense to me.






            1                      And I also would like to know why we


            2              as taxpayers are supposedly going to foot


            3              the bill for them when it's a private


            4              business.  If I were to open a business


            5              tomorrow I wouldn't expect the taxpayers to


            6              pay for my business.  Why do they deserve


            7              that right?  Could somebody answer that


            8              question?  Judy, you are finance chair?  Why


            9              should the taxpayers be paying for ECTV if


           10              it's a private business?


           11                      MS. GATELLI: I don't know, but


           12              that's not the finance chair's


           13              responsibility.


           14                      MS. FRANUS:  Well, whoever, the


           15              president, anybody?  Does anybody know?


           16                      MR. MCGOFF: We chose to --


           17                      MS. FRANUS: You chose to, but you


           18              are representing the people.  So basically,


           19              Mr. McGoff, you are saying you chose to?


           20                      MR. MCGOFF: You didn't give me a


           21              chance to --


           22                      MS. FRANUS:  Go ahead, I'm sorry.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF: The choice was made to


           24              fund it so that public access television


           25              would continue.






            1                      MS. FRANUS:  Well, they are doing a


            2              very poor job.  Scranton Today had -- it's


            3              filmed, we saw nothing else when it's open,


            4              it's cut this half, they don't have money


            5              for film, they said they're not going paid.


            6              Well, if they're not getting paid quit, let


            7              Scranton Today take over again.  You see the


            8              crappy job they are doing, but that's the


            9              purpose.  Mayor Doherty doesn't want this on


           10              television and some members of council don't


           11              want this on television because it exposes


           12              you for what you are.


           13                      Now, last week, Mrs. Gatelli, you


           14              said they are going to refinance, they are


           15              not going to borrow, that's not true.  You


           16              are going to borrow after you said you


           17              weren't going to borrow again, then you


           18              asked Mr. Minora to explain that, well, you


           19              know he wouldn't because that was such a


           20              stupid, stupid comment.


           21                      You are going to borrow again, are


           22              you not?  Are you still claiming you are


           23              going to refinance, you are not asking for


           24              anymore money, is that what you're claiming?


           25                      MS. GATELLI:  I'll answer that in






            1              motions.


            2                      MS. FRANUS:  Pardon me?


            3                      MS. GATELLI: I'll answer it in


            4              motions.


            5                      MS. FRANUS: No, I'm asking you now.


            6                      MS. GATELLI:  Well, I'm saving that


            7              for motions.


            8                      MS. FRANUS: In other words, you are


            9              not going to answer me whether you are going


           10              to borrow after you swore you never would.


           11              You are going to wait until everybody


           12              goes --


           13                      MR. MCGOFF: Mrs. Gatelli gave you an


           14              answer.


           15                      MS. FRANUS:  No, she didn't.


           16                      MR. MCGOFF: Yes, she did.  She said


           17              that she would answer and mention it during


           18              motions.


           19                      MS. FRANUS:  Mr. McGoff, can't she


           20              speak for herself or do you have to answer


           21              her questions for her.


           22                      MR. MCGOFF: And she did.  I'm trying


           23              to expedite this.


           24                      MS. FRANUS:  Why?  I have five


           25              minutes, why should you expedite it.






            1                      MS. FANUCCI:  Quite frankly, the


            2              rules are you that speak to the president


            3              and the president would then address the


            4              council members.


            5                      MS. FRANUS:  Every time somebody


            6              speaks and they ask council member a


            7              question, tell me, Mr. McGoff, may I speak


            8              to Judy Gatelli?


            9                      MS. FANUCCI: That's actually -- by


           10              our rules that would be correct.


           11                      MR. MCGOFF: Mrs. Franus, she gave


           12              you an answer.


           13                      MS. FRANUS:  I know that.  The


           14              answer is she doesn't want to answer the


           15              people, only when it's convenient, she is


           16              going to borrow again.


           17                      MR. MCGOFF: No, the answer was that


           18              she would address it later on.


           19                      MS. FRANUS:  Well, if she votes for


           20              this refinancing, as she calls it, that is


           21              borrowing and that means Judy Gatelli will


           22              be borrowing again, unless she doesn't vote


           23              for that, that's a different story, then I


           24              will owe her an apology if she votes against


           25              it.  If she does, but if she does vote for






            1              this she is borrowing again and she lied to


            2              the people, and I don't want anybody to


            3              forget that.


            4                      MS. GATELLI: We know that.


            5                      MS. FRANUS:  Well, we'll see when


            6              motions comes.  Now, I understand, Mrs.


            7              Gatelli, you were at the zoning board and


            8              you were talking about the Latin Club that


            9              you weren't going to sacrifice your


           10              neighborhood, but as a council person you


           11              were willing to find -- put it someplace


           12              else in the City of Scranton?  Not in my


           13              backyard, huh, maybe mine?


           14                      MS. GATELLI: It's to be in a


           15              commercial zone, Mrs. Franus.


           16                      MS. FRANUS:  Yeah, but you don't


           17              want it in your neighborhood.


           18                      MS. GATELLI: My neighbors don't want


           19              it.  It's an residential district.


           20                      MS. FRANUS:  My neighbors don't want


           21              it either.  Neither does anybody else --


           22                      MS. GATELLI:  Well, you have every


           23              right to go to the zoning board when there


           24              is a hearing in your neighborhood.


           25                      MS. FRANUS:  But you were willing to






            1              put it someplace else.


            2                      MS. GATELLI:  In a commercial zone,


            3              not in another neighborhood.


            4                      MS. FRANUS: Susan Orman was on


            5              television today and she was talking about


            6              the crises in the country today, she said


            7              it's a financial earthquake, you know it


            8              starts here.  It starts with council people


            9              going to the mayors, going to Congressmen,


           10              going to the representatives, she said that


           11              the people in charge are more interested in


           12              money themselves than they are for the


           13              people they are supposed to represent and


           14              I'm thinking, boy, does that sound familiar.


           15              Sounds just like you.  The three votes up


           16              there, Mrs. Gatelli, Mr. McGoff and Mrs.


           17              Fanucci, not representing the people.


           18                      MS. FANUCCI:  And my $12,000 is


           19              making the world goes around, because it


           20              definitely is worth it.


           21                      MS. FRANUS: What are you trying to


           22              -- point of order, Mrs. Fanucci.


           23                      MS. FANUCCI: Oh, for the love of


           24              God.


           25                      MS. FRANUS:  I'm trying to say that






            1              your votes don't reflect what the people


            2              want in this city.


            3                      MS. FANUCCI: That's not what you


            4              said.  What you said was that we were taking


            5              money, you were talking about money.


            6                      MS. FRANUS: I said Suzy Orman said


            7              that the people at the top are more


            8              interested in money and greed than the


            9              people they represent.


           10                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mrs. Franus.


           11              David Dobson.


           12                      MR. DOBSON:  Good evening, Council.


           13              Dave Dobson, member of the Taxpayers'


           14              Association, Scranton resident, of course.


           15              On 5-F for a change, I would highly


           16              recommend approval at all haste for this


           17              grant.  I would also recommend that council


           18              consults with Bernie McGurrel on mine


           19              reclamation funds for advice.  It is my


           20              understanding that there are coal taxes


           21              collected on every ton of coal in this


           22              country and Pennsylvania is receiving just


           23              about nothing of it, and it's basically to


           24              improve and reclaim brownfields and culm


           25              banks and so forth and as far as the whole






            1              Lackawanna and Wyoming Valley I think we


            2              have our share of -- we have more than


            3              enough to go around and if anybody wants


            4              them they can adopt them.  How about that?


            5                   Under the Emergency Shelter Grant, 6-C,


            6              please try to find money to help these


            7              people.  It's sad I do a lot of walking


            8              along rail lines and so forth and I don't


            9              know why I'm attracted to them, but I see a


           10              lot of things, a lot of people camping out,


           11              there is no reason for that in this country.


           12              It's not anybody's fault in this town, but


           13              it's happening and it should be dealt with


           14              as best as we can do it.


           15                      On 7-A I would like to point out


           16              that once again I'm not against it, but


           17              public money is being used for swimming pool


           18              improvements and that all citizens should


           19              have an equal opportunity within the


           20              vicinity of their home for affordable -- for


           21              free swimming and $3.00 isn't necessarily,


           22              we have to find a way to classify somebody


           23              that's from the Hill Section or whatever and


           24              somebody wants to come up and use the


           25              sliding board maybe let them pay extra or






            1              whatever, but it's really bad for the people


            2              in the Hill Section.  They don't have any


            3              free swimming within their reasonable


            4              distance of their house.


            5                      And then finally on 6-B enough has


            6              been said probably, but from what I heard


            7              from Andy the general estimate of 16 2/3


            8              percent isn't something that I would feel at


            9              ease on voting on, pubically you don't


           10              neither.  Is it going to be 2 percent,


           11              6 percent, 10 percent, 12 percent, 16 2/3


           12              percent and at some point we might be better


           13              off tightening our belts and just packing it


           14              in as far as that type of a loan because


           15              it's not worth it.  It's definitely not


           16              worth it.  We are just enriching a lot of


           17              people that already have a lot of money and


           18              it's ashame that we have to go that route.


           19                   So at this point have a good night, but


           20              please your conscience and don't obligate


           21              the citizens of Scranton into anymore


           22              excessive borrowing or excessive unnecessary


           23              borrowing.  Thank you.


           24                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr. Dobson.


           25              Mr. Gervasi.






            1                      MR. GERVASI: Good evening, City


            2              Council.  My name is Dave Gervasi, I'm a


            3              city resident and a firefighter in the city.


            4              I'm sorry I couldn't get here last week, it


            5              was busy week for everyone, but we had a


            6              hearing, as I guess you probably all know,


            7              it was in the press.  We had our hearing for


            8              our contract went to Commonwealth Court and


            9              we were all in Harrisburg, and I would just


           10              like to make a comment on what a cabinet


           11              member said in Harrisburg.  Our president


           12              and president of the FOP made some comments


           13              to Channel 16, public safety director Ray


           14              Hayes made this comment, and I quote:  "At


           15              the end of the day this is not about the


           16              Doherty administration, this is not about


           17              the police department or the fire


           18              department, this is about the fiscal


           19              responsibility of the government and about


           20              the taxpayers of the City of Scranton."


           21                      I find it hard to believe that


           22              Director Hayes could possibly utter those


           23              words without busting out into laughter.


           24              Maybe I should just remind Director Hayes,


           25              since you read over and over what the city






            1              says about the fire and police departments


            2              and other departments in the city, maybe


            3              Director Hayes should have been doing some


            4              oversight on his fiscal responsibility when


            5              the $6 million dollar sewer deal debacle I


            6              call it happened which caused a 56 percent


            7              rate increase in our sewer rates, that was


            8              directly tied to the Doherty administration


            9              or maybe the $3.4 million and counting


           10              raises, middle management hires, or maybe


           11              the $800,000 the city has to spent over the


           12              years to the parking authority since


           13              obviously they don't seem to be making it on


           14              their own, or maybe the $1 million they gave


           15              to the Southern Union building when they


           16              didn't show up, or maybe the $1 million in


           17              the artificial bond rating that was given or


           18              nearly, and correct me if I'm wrong, Mrs.


           19              Evans, the nearly $100 million in borrowing


           20              in the last seven years, I believe it's


           21              approaching $100 million at this point.  I


           22              know a lot of it was refinancing just to be


           23              fair.


           24                      The approximate, what we are being


           25              told at this point, is approximately






            1              $2 million in legal fees which is more money


            2              going to the lawyers than it would be to


            3              give the police and fire department a cost


            4              of living raise over the years.  But there


            5              is a reason for that in my opinion because


            6              when you give the lawyers money they give it


            7              back to you in your campaign donations.  The


            8              cops and firemen really didn't give Mayor


            9              Doherty anything, so we can understand.  Or


           10              the grossly overpriced rebuilding of Nay Aug


           11              Park with no big contracts or the selling of


           12              our assets, the golf course, the South Side


           13              Complex, or maybe the banners telling


           14              Scrantonians to visit Scranton during the


           15              summer, ten's of thousands spent on that


           16              with the mayor's big picture on it which is


           17              a thinly veiled pre-election campaign


           18              literature in my opinion.


           19                      And now we have police leaving in


           20              droves, moving onto greener pastures, we are


           21              hiring more police to come in, we are


           22              actually paying for their training now


           23              before they get hired and we are basically


           24              becoming a training grounds for police


           25              officers and we are losing our best and






            1              finest, or maybe doubling the pensions,


            2              maybe Director Hayes might have thought of


            3              that when he doubled the pensions of


            4              clerical retirees to make room for more


            5              middle managers or maybe the director is


            6              just mad because of the $13,000 raises for


            7              the police and the fire chief last year when


            8              much of the director's time was spent


            9              correcting the incompetency of these


           10              department heads.


           11                      One thing you need to know, this is


           12              all being blamed, we have to knock off 37


           13              firefighters because of city has a deficit,


           14              it's a lie.  It's a complete boldface lie.


           15              We don't have a deficit.  We have tons,


           16              mountains of debt that was created under the


           17              Doherty administration.  Just last year from


           18              the 2007 to 2008 budget the police force,


           19              those bad guys on the police force, cost the


           20              city $18,000 less than it did the year


           21              before.  Last year the bad firemen that are


           22              costing millions of deficits cost the city


           23              $851,048 less than it did the year before.


           24                      Listen very carefully, when Mayor


           25              Doherty took office the budget was






            1              $56 million.  This year's budget is


            2              $84 million.  It cost less for the police


            3              and firefighters than it did in 2002.  Where


            4              did the $26 million go?  I know where it


            5              went.  I just read off a portion of it right


            6              here.  The mayor did it, and, Director


            7              Hayes, if you are watching the Doherty


            8              administration is solely responsible for the


            9              deficits and the mountain of debt that we


           10              have and not your police and firefighters


           11              and, frankly, we don't want to pay for it,


           12              for his mistakes.  Thank you.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr. Gervasi.


           14              Any other speakers?


           15                      MS. HUMPHRIES: My mission is for all


           16              reconciliation and repair.  You are all


           17              going to enjoy this.  Father Gownley gave me


           18              a lot of religious articles, so he gave me a


           19              statue and finger was broken on it and I


           20              repaired it, so I'm going to leave it right


           21              here for everybody to see what transpired.


           22              The right hand is the papal blessing.  The


           23              right hand five popes appeared for the


           24              blessings of the City of Scranton.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF: No.






            1                      MS. HUMPHRIES: I want to put that


            2              there for a minute until I hold what I have.


            3                      MR. MCGOFF:  Phyllis.  Please keep


            4              those.


            5                      MS. HUMPHRIES: I'm taking them.


            6              This represents terrorism.  There is


            7              terrorism in the United States, outside of


            8              the United States.  What is terrorism?  Look


            9              at me and I'll tell you what happened to me


           10              through terrorism, that's number one, that's


           11              all -- denying their people religious rights


           12              to speak and denying the truth of


           13              constitution in the United States.


           14                      This is for the military, for the


           15              Army, Navy, Marines, Coast Guard all the way


           16              down.  I need someone to help me with this.


           17              I'm a spiritual artist, and this is, the


           18              Bishop hasn't seen it yet, but it's end


           19              terrorism inside and outside of the womb and


           20              the blessed mother and Jesus that people are


           21              all inside --


           22                      MR. MCGOFF: Phyllis --


           23                      MS. HUMPHRIES: -- to tell people to


           24              love, to forgive and to keep on going on no


           25              matter what.  This is for September 11.






            1              This is for my military and this is for the


            2              United States of America and freedom of


            3              faith, love and religion and freedom of


            4              speech.  The Bishop hasn't seen it yet, but


            5              I hope you get it see it later.


            6                      Now, I want to talk about Doherty.


            7              I tried CNN to bring the messages forward of


            8              my beliefs and my -- what has transpired


            9              with me, which everybody knows what happened


           10              to me, I'm not going to go into it.  To find


           11              out the local newspaper, which I don't buy,


           12              although, people did give it me, Mayor


           13              Doherty's relative works at CNN.  When I


           14              tried to call first English speaking and


           15              then call the Muslim for the middle eastern


           16              people they wouldn't contact, couldn't get


           17              through, as soon as they heard my name they


           18              hung up.  Numerous people were involved


           19              which they fraudulently signed names from


           20              the Attorney's General's Office and it's


           21              being investigated all the way up to


           22              Washington, D.C.  It's time to cleanup, to


           23              shape up, and get some of these people out


           24              of their chairs that have done the evilness


           25              what they have done to me and done to other






            1              people.  There is it innocent people in jail


            2              and the guilty are walking the streets and


            3              sitting in a lot of chairs.


            4                      All I want to say it our firemen, I


            5              love them very much and the police


            6              department, the test I went through I think


            7              we need more police department, more fire


            8              department, and it's kind of crazy, we need


            9              security.  We need security in Scranton


           10              especially with Scranton's fire with me.


           11              You got to get security here, get the


           12              firemen on, get the police on and enough is


           13              enough.  Doherty, loosen up the tight


           14              strings, the pocketbook, it's time to


           15              straighten up the City of Scranton.  God


           16              bless you.


           17                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.  Mr. Morgan.


           18                      MR. MORGAN: Good evening, Council.


           19              You know, I sat up there on the second floor


           20              there and just watched council and I just


           21              would like to say that, you know, I think


           22              council had a general interest in what Andy


           23              Sbaraglia had to say, and I think his facts


           24              are right.  You know, I asked my sister to


           25              look at the city's books, she's a -- she






            1              worked on Wall Street, she goes back and


            2              forth, and the city is a mess.  The city is


            3              absolutely a mess and this council has to


            4              decide not to borrow.  There has to be other


            5              solutions that, you know, the Post, the new


            6              newspaper we have in the City of Scranton,


            7              they wrote an article where they totally


            8              agree that residents are leaving the city


            9              and putting their houses up for sale and


           10              this isn't just things that the residents


           11              say, this is, you know, the paper is


           12              reporting the widespread poverty in the


           13              city.


           14                      This weekend and last weekend, I had


           15              an opportunity to talk to Monsignor


           16              Siconolfi I think is his name, the gentleman


           17              from the soup kitchen.  The need in the city


           18              for that soup kitchen is unbelievable, it is


           19              really.  The need to -- I had an opportunity


           20              to talk to the Monsignor about the amount of


           21              homeless in the city, all right, Mr. Quinn


           22              spoke about the homeless in the city and the


           23              grant money that's available.  You know,


           24              that money really needs to go there and it


           25              needs to really be increased.  There is a






            1              lot of good work that can be done by


            2              government, but you as the council people


            3              have to that work and if you don't do that


            4              work then we are going to all fail.


            5                      And I know a local of people come


            6              here and complain, including myself, because


            7              we want action and we see inaction or the


            8              wrong action is being taken.  One of the


            9              wrong actions, in my opinion that's happened


           10              recently, is the loss of Junior Council, and


           11              I agree with some of the things Mr. Bolus


           12              said that this council should have took a


           13              certain percentage of these young people


           14              under their wing and taught them something


           15              more than spineless politics and that's what


           16              these children were experiencing here.  They


           17              were experiencing council people saying one


           18              thing and doing something else or doing


           19              nothing, and this city didn't get to where


           20              it is now by action.  It got here by


           21              inaction or looking the other way or


           22              allowing somebody to do things that weren't


           23              right because they knew somebody and these


           24              things have to change and the only people


           25              that can change them are the people that are






            1              sitting in front of me and the mayor.


            2                      And going to Court isn't an option


            3              because then there we deal with politics


            4              also, only there we have people in judicial


            5              roles that play politics, so we've got a


            6              real serious situation here, and I hope the


            7              council would take it seriously.


            8                      And as far as ECTV, it's just a


            9              terrible thing what's happened there, and


           10              this council needs to put Scranton Tomorrow


           11              back.  They ran this with no money basically


           12              and they did a much better job, and that's


           13              not taking a shot at ECTV, it's just a


           14              reality.  They lost our tape from the


           15              citizens' group last week because evidently,


           16              in my opinion, they don't like what we saw


           17              say and we are one of the few groups that


           18              still has access.  Look at all of the great


           19              programming we loss with Scranton Tomorrow.


           20              Just absolutely wonderful program, Homespun,


           21              definitely an asset to this community.


           22              Definitely.  Not just the council meetings,


           23              the council meetings were one of the


           24              smallest things we lost, but I would say


           25              that the council meetings were a major






            1              avenue for information for the residents and


            2              they see the lack of preparation this


            3              council takes and the things that they spin


            4              through the agenda, not all council members


            5              and not all the time, but too often and


            6              where is it change come?  It comes from you


            7              and the mayor, but we can't expect change


            8              from the mayor.  He is a political animal


            9              and he likes politics, so the choice comes


           10              down to what do you like?  Okay?  We've got


           11              enough poverty here, we've got grinding


           12              poverty here.  Can we change it, yes, but we


           13              have to change the way we see things and the


           14              only question is can you change the way you


           15              see things?  Thank you.


           16                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr. Morgan.


           17              Anyone else?


           18                      MS. HUBBARD: Good evening, council,


           19              Liz Hubbard, Scranton resident, taxpayer.  I


           20              have a question, did you get an answer on


           21              the skunks?


           22                      MS. EVANS: No.


           23                      MS. GATELLI:  I did.  I'm working on


           24              it with Kenny Smith.  I just talked to him


           25              before I came to the meeting.  I'll tell you






            1              later.


            2                      MS. HUBBARD: Could you add


            3              groundhogs to the list because they are a


            4              problem, too.


            5                      MS. GATELLI:  Okay.


            6                      MS. HUBBARD: And a couple of people


            7              mentioned that to me that they are


            8              specifically having problem with woodchucks,


            9              groundhogs, those little fat furry critters.


           10              Okay, I have a question and this all


           11              happened I believe before I moved back into


           12              the city, so I'm not quite clear, but I


           13              understand that PEL had told the city that


           14              they did not need a public safety director,


           15              okay, I need to know what has changed that


           16              they told that to Mayor Connors and then


           17              when Doherty got in he decided that he


           18              needed one plus a deputy, plus a couple of


           19              secretaries, why didn't PEL question that?


           20              Sherry, you do the --


           21                      MS. FANUCCI: I can tell you that.


           22              It's not that they didn't question it, they


           23              did okay it.  When PEL sat down after what


           24              happened with Mayor Connors that was in the


           25              midst of contract negotiations, if I recall,






            1              and I'm going to go back to what I remember,


            2              am I right, because it was in the midst of


            3              contract negotiations.  After the contracts


            4              were signed I believe that's what they told


            5              him, and I don't know, I'm looking at


            6              Ancherani for some help here, but I believe


            7              that's when they told him to not -- to get


            8              rid of the deputy director; am I correct in


            9              this?


           10                      MS. HUBBARD: I think it was the


           11              whole --


           12                      MS. FANUCCI: So after that they did


           13              approve it later on for him to reinstate,


           14              yes, it was not that PEL said, no, and they


           15              didn't go back and revisit --


           16                      MS. HUBBARD: Well, what you pay him


           17              plus his deputy and his staff you could


           18              probably hire three police officers.


           19                      MS. FANUCCI: Right.  Yeah, no doubt.


           20                      MS. HUBBARD: And I think we need


           21              police more than we need a director of


           22              public safety since we have already have a


           23              police chief and a fire chief.  So, I mean,


           24              I don't know.  I was a little unclear on how


           25              that happened.






            1                      And a comment to Judy, I heard that


            2              zoning and where you said you weren't going


            3              to sacrifice your neighborhood but you would


            4              help them find another spot, you didn't say


            5              commercial, you just said another spot.


            6                      MS. GATELLI:  Well, it's obvious


            7              they go in a commercial zone, they were


            8              going for a variance to be in an R-1-A zone.


            9                      MS. HUBBARD: Right.


           10                      MS. GATELLI:  They can't go in an


           11              R-1-A zone anywhere in the city.  They need


           12              to go to a commercial zone.


           13                      MS. HUBBARD: Well, there's a block,


           14              for instance, that one side of the street is


           15              commercial and the other side is


           16              residential.  My street --


           17                      MS. GATELLI:  They are allowed in a


           18              commercial zone.  They wouldn't even have to


           19              go to the zoning board.


           20                      MS. HUBBARD: Exactly, but they would


           21              say be in my neighborhood or West Side.


           22                      MS. GATELLI: Well, if they are in a


           23              commercial zone there is nothing you can do


           24              about it.  There aren't too many zones left


           25              that a commercial abuts a R-1-A.






            1                      MS. HUBBARD:  I think my street


            2              there is a couple of designations.


            3                      MS. GATELLI:  There aren't many.


            4              And you wouldn't be able to do a thing about


            5              it.  If it was in a commercial zone --


            6                      MS. HUBBARD: I'm sure, and I don't


            7              know that --


            8                      MS. GATELLI: You can't say anything


            9              about the zone.


           10                      MS. HUBBARD: I don't know that I


           11              would want to, I just wanted to --


           12                      MS. GATELLI:  That's why it went to


           13              the zoning board because they were breaking


           14              the law.  That's what the zoning board is.


           15                      MS. HUBBARD: But it came across --


           16                      MS. GATELLI: You go there because


           17              you are breaking the law and you are asking


           18              them to approve it.


           19                      MS. HUBBARD: It came across to


           20              people that watched the meeting that you


           21              didn't want them in your neighborhood, you


           22              didn't specify you would find them a spot in


           23              the commercial zone.  You just said another


           24              neighborhood.


           25                      MS. GATELLI:  Well, let me clarify






            1              for the public right now, they may not be in


            2              any residential zone and every citizen has a


            3              right to go to the zoning board, everyone


            4              has that right to speak when someone is


            5              going to go in your neighborhood.  When it


            6              is you will be notified because they must


            7              notify the neighbors within 250 feet of a


            8              zoning issue, and you can all go there and


            9              speak and if anyone would like me to come


           10              with them I certainly would come.  I would


           11              contact your neighborhood association


           12              president and you all have the right to do


           13              that.  It belongs in a commercial zone I


           14              hope everyone is watching that watched that.


           15                      MS. HUBBARD: Okay.


           16                      MS. GATELLI: I'm sorry if I offended


           17              anybody.  I didn't realize I caused such a


           18              commotion.


           19                      MS. HUBBARD: I'm just telling you --


           20                      MS. GATELLI:  --fighting for my


           21              neighborhood.


           22                      MS. HUBBARD: -- a couple of people


           23              commented, and another thing that was


           24              commented on from people that have been,


           25              what's the word, hollered at because they






            1              talked from the back of the room, you were


            2              on that tape, Judy, you were yelling way in


            3              the back.


            4                      MS. GATELLI:  I was representing in


            5              the neighbors.  We didn't have an attorney.


            6                      MS. HUBBARD: I don't care if you


            7              were representing --


            8                      MS. GATELLI: And you're allowed to


            9              object.  You are allowed to object at a


           10              zoning hearing.


           11                      MS. HUBBARD: Well, then why can't I


           12              sit just sit back there and object.


           13                      MS. GATELLI:  Because you can't do


           14              that here because there is Robert's Rules


           15              here, but you can object at a zoning


           16              hearing.


           17                      MS. HUBBARD: Well, they should have


           18              Robert's Rules at zoning.


           19                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mrs. Hubbard.


           20                      MS. GATELLI:  I hope my neighbors


           21              are all watching seeing me chastised for


           22              representing them.  I have never been


           23              chastised for representing a neighborhood.


           24                      MS. HUBBARD: I wasn't doing that.


           25                      MS. GATELLI: Well, it certainly






            1              sounds like you are all.  The election must


            2              be starting now.


            3                      MS. HUBBARD: I'm not running for


            4              office.


            5                      MR. MCGOFF: Mrs. Schumacher.


            6                      MS. SCHUMACHER: Marie Schumacher,


            7              resident, member of the Taxpayers'


            8              Association.  First the loan, Item-6B, this


            9              is a loan that is a scheduled for repayment


           10              this calendar year.  If you borrow more


           11              money with a 18-year loan the additional


           12              interest payments will only add to the


           13              city's problems.  With a principal amount


           14              the city and it's agencies non-electoral


           15              debt estimated to be over 90 percent of it's


           16              limit, you may soon find any borrowing will


           17              have to be approved by the voters.  The


           18              sheer size of the long-term debt will drive


           19              the bond rating down which will in turn


           20              drive the interest rates up.


           21                      More importantly, I fail to see why


           22              a loan is necessary.  Two weeks ago the


           23              agenda noted that you received the 2006


           24              financial report.  That report, if anyone


           25              bothered to read it, showed an operating






            1              surplus of $6.7 million.  The controller's


            2              report for August shows a year-to-date


            3              operating surplus of $7,679, 765.00, so why


            4              on earth do we need to borrow more money?


            5                   Now to 6-C.  I'm assuming this item is


            6              the approval of the proposed fifth year


            7              action plan which wasn't made public until


            8              last Friday.  The ad last Friday noted that


            9              there would be a public hearing.  If this


           10              item is moved to Seventh Order for next week


           11              the vote could occur prior to the public


           12              hearing which is definitely not right.  This


           13              reminds me, two weeks ago I requested Mrs.


           14              Fanucci explain how the responses to the


           15              August public notice would be disposed.


           16              This notice dealt with the budget transfers


           17              that had already been passed by council


           18              which per OECD's written policy puts the


           19              cart before the horse.  Mrs. Fanucci ignored


           20              my request to two weeks ago, so I will again


           21              ask how these public comments will be


           22              disposed.


           23                      Moving onto 7-A.  Was this capital


           24              item added to the mayor's budget before you


           25              approved the capital budget?  Whether the






            1              funds are from the city's budget or the


            2              grant you will be voting on as 7-A tonight,


            3              this capital item belongs in the capital


            4              budget.


            5                      Now, to 5-B and "C".  This is a very


            6              personal item with me and a perfect example


            7              of why people do not want to live in the


            8              city where who you know or who you are is


            9              the governing ordinance.  I would now like


           10              to read you a letter dated 4, April, 2001,


           11              seven years ago, it was written to Mary


           12              Alice Burke, who was then head of the


           13              Department of Community Development.


           14                      "Dear Mrs. Burke, the purpose of


           15              this letter is to ask when the traffic


           16              signal will be installed at River Street and


           17              Meadow Avenue.  Almost four years ago now


           18              the zoning board approved construction of


           19              the mini-mart/gas station at this


           20              intersection with the provision they install


           21              a traffic signal within two years.


           22                      When two years passed and there was


           23              no evidence of intent to install the traffic


           24              signal required, and may I add, anticipated


           25              by East Mountain residents and those who






            1              care about them, I began to make inquiries.


            2              Conversations with representatives of the


            3              planning office and the city engineer


            4              revealed enforcement of the zoning provision


            5              was put on hold until the new traffic study


            6              was completed.


            7                      Subsequent to these conversations,


            8              the intersection of Meadow Avenue and Moosic


            9              Street has been completely redone including


           10              new traffic signals.  From this I can


           11              conclude the aforementioned of the traffic


           12              study was completed.  However, there is


           13              still no sign of a traffic signal at Meadow


           14              and River and this concerns me.  If the


           15              original now almost four years old zoning


           16              board provision was merely window dressing


           17              to appease public concerns with no intent of


           18              enforcing the provision then I believe this


           19              was deceitful.


           20                      Accordingly, I look forward to


           21              hearing from you on the status of the


           22              previously required but uninstalled traffic


           23              signal at Meadow and River.  Thank you in


           24              advance for your prompt response."


           25                      It's now been 11 years.  That






            1              traffic signal isn't there.  That road has


            2              been repaved, every possible thing that


            3              could be done -- that would have to be


            4              redone because of that traffic signal study,


            5              which again I might add, the city managed to


            6              screw up.  They got a contractor in


            7              Allentown to do a study and they let it go


            8              on and go on without a response, by the time


            9              they got the response the federal laws had


           10              changed -- if I may finish this thought, the


           11              federal laws had changed, and the pave cuts


           12              have to be different than they were before


           13              so it's added more.  The traffic timing sill


           14              isn't done, yet along come the Pisano


           15              Brothers who have received much money, much


           16              free services from this city and now even


           17              though they are on that same route where the


           18              traffic signaling is going to be impacted,


           19              we are going to drop everything and give


           20              them the traffic signal they want for their


           21              commercial venture.  Well, I'm sorry, but


           22              now you know why people don't want to be in


           23              this town.


           24                      MR. MCGOFF:  Thank you, Mrs.


           25              Schumacher.






            1                      MR. JACKOWITZ: Bill Jackowitz, South


            2              Scranton resident, member of the


            3              Scranton/Lackawanna County Taxpayers'


            4              Association.  5-B about the traffic signal


            5              at Front Street and Moosic Street and the


            6              Pisano commercial project, I'm going to try


            7              again, normally, my questions are not


            8              answered, I have about 40 of them that have


            9              not been answered, so I'm going to try


           10              again, I hope I get answers tonight during


           11              motions.  I would like to know how much


           12              money was given to the Pisano brothers for


           13              this contract about three years ago.


           14                   Secondly, I would like to know what are


           15              they building there.  I know there is a


           16              parking lot being built there, and I know


           17              that there is two buildings that have been


           18              gutted and are being remodeled, I do not


           19              know what is going into those two buildings.


           20              I have been told one is a laundry mat and I


           21              have been told one is apartments.  I would


           22              like to know specifically and beyond a doubt


           23              what am I paying for as a taxpayer?  It's


           24              all public money that the Pisano brothers


           25              have gotten.  I would like to see the






            1              Pisanos come into city council, invite them


            2              into city council and let them explain why


            3              it's taking two years or three years,


            4              however long it has been, for them to build


            5              whatever they are building there and what


            6              are they building there.  Please, I hope


            7              somebody answers that.  Normally you don't,


            8              but I hope tonight you do.


            9                      Okay.  Now, on 5-D, authorizing the


           10              mayor and other appropriate city officials


           11              to execute and enter into a professional


           12              service agreement with Clough Harbor


           13              Associates, LLP, for additional professional


           14              engineering services for the Lackawanna


           15              Avenue Streetscape Project.  What is the


           16              Lackawanna Avenue Streetscrape Project, can


           17              someone tell me, please?


           18                      MS. FANUCCI: It's part of the


           19              500-block, first phase project.


           20                      MR. JACKOWITZ: Okay, and that's what


           21              I thought it was.  Now, do we not have


           22              $29 million of taxpayers' money, public


           23              money, already tied up in to that?  Is that


           24              $29 million going to be used to pay for this


           25              project or are we asking for more of public






            1              taxpayers' money?  Can someone answer that,


            2              please?


            3                      MS. FANUCCI: It's a long answer.


            4                      MR. JACKOWITZ: Pardon me?


            5                      MS. FANUCCI: It's a long answer, I


            6              can answer you in motions.  I mean, do you


            7              want me to answer you right now.


            8                      MR. JACKOWITZ: Okay, well, go ahead


            9              and answer me in motions then, that's fine,


           10              as long as you don't forget.  Okay, on 5-E,


           11              authorizing the mayor and other appropriate


           12              city officials, again, we back on the 500


           13              block of Lackawanna Avenue, for consulting


           14              engineers and surveyors.


           15                      Again, $29 million of taxpayers'


           16              money has been put into the 500 block of


           17              Lackawanna Avenue.  Is this additional money


           18              that they are asking for to pay for this


           19              consultant or would this come out of the


           20              $29 million that the taxpayers' -- see, I


           21              own the 500 block of Lackawanna Avenue.


           22              Every taxpayer in this city, in this state,


           23              owns the 500 block of Lackawanna


           24              avenue, so I think we need to have the


           25              answers to these questions and if this is






            1              more additional money I would like to know


            2              why and on what grounds each and every


            3              individual who votes for will vote for it,


            4              because they already have $29 million.


            5                   Okay, now, as far as 6-B, whether it's


            6              refinancing or whether it's borrowing the


            7              way I understand it, and again, if I'm wrong


            8              correct me during motions.  The way I


            9              understand it we are going of borrow


           10              $6.1 million for 18 years.  We are going to


           11              pay back $4.7 million more after the


           12              18 years.  There is no guarantee that it


           13              will be paid back for 18 years because we


           14              may have to borrow more money between now


           15              and the 18-year period of time.


           16                      To me, that's a no-brainer, that is


           17              borrowing.  That is not refinancing because


           18              you are borrowing more money and you are


           19              paying back more money.  That is borrowing.


           20              It's a simple, simple question and a more


           21              simple answer.  It's borrowing.  So, again,


           22              if are you not going to borrow anymore


           23              money, fine, don't borrow it, vote "no."


           24                      If you see nothing wrong with


           25              borrowing more money vote "yes", borrow more






            1              money because that's what you are doing, you


            2              are going to pay back 4.7 million over


            3              18 years, we are already hundreds of


            4              millions dollars in debt and by the way,


            5              trillion, does anybody knows how many zeros


            6              are in a trillion?  There is 12 zeroes in a


            7              trillion.  Right now the federal government


            8              is getting ready to go into one trillion


            9              dollar debt and there is not going to be


           10              anymore money for city projects and state


           11              projects, sooner or later it's going to come


           12              to an end and I really hope that city


           13              council will take that into consideration


           14              when they start making the votes, because


           15              the federal government is not going to be


           16              able to bail you out, we are bailing out


           17              people from Ike's hurricane, we are bailing


           18              out everybody.  So, please, just think about


           19              it, it's borrowing, it's not refinancing.


           20                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr.


           21              Jackowitz.


           22                      MR. ANCHERANI:  Good evening.


           23              Nelson Ancherani, resident and taxpayer.  I


           24              didn't have anything prepared, so I just


           25              wanted to remind you all that in less two






            1              months, that's six more meetings, the budget


            2              for 2009 has to be introduced to council.  I


            3              again, predict a record budget which will


            4              mean over 85,600,000.  You, Council, have a


            5              chance and a duty which you owe to the


            6              taxpayers to produce a budget that is fair


            7              to the city and to the taxpayers.


            8                      Miss Evans spent a lot of time last


            9              year formulating a budget and it was ignored


           10              over personalities.  Frankly, I wouldn't


           11              blame her if she doesn't bother coming up


           12              with a budget for this coming year.  All


           13              that has to be done is resurrect Ms. Evans'


           14              budget and put it into place as is for 2009.


           15              Simple.  Save the taxpayers anymore of an


           16              increase in the long-term debt.  Just as an


           17              example of saving money, stop the BS,


           18              spending and borrowing.


           19                      Over 50 plus new hires were hired


           20              since 2002.  Why?  Do we need three flood


           21              relocation specialists?  And 803,000 for


           22              Scranton Parking Authority citation issuers?


           23              These 50 plus hires in raises increased the


           24              budget over $15 million since 2002.


           25                   Mrs. Evans' budget pared the budget by






            1              the 50 plus new hires.  If these 50 plus


            2              hires in raises were eliminated, that's 15


            3              million saved.  The city is a service


            4              provider, not a business.  Eliminating 38


            5              firemen is not an option.  The fire


            6              department is a service that all taxpayers


            7              fund and it has not cost the city any


            8              increase since 2002.


            9                      And I know what Ms. Fanucci will


           10              say, health care increased.  Why?  They


           11              fired Sara Pickard who saved millions when


           12              she was hired.  One-hundred city employees


           13              forced out with full benefits only to hire


           14              another 100 with full benefits, and don't


           15              forget the 50 plus new hires who also got


           16              full benefits.


           17                      I want to remind council that since


           18              2002 the total increases of the budgets is


           19              approximately the size of this year's


           20              budget, 85 million.  That's not


           21              cumulatively.  We have to figure that and


           22              see how much it is.  Come on, think of us


           23              taxpayers, the budget for next year should


           24              cumulatively be at least 20 million for


           25              raises and new hires, and just for the






            1              record, none of those 50 plus new hires will


            2              be eliminated in my opinion, but just a


            3              thought on that borrowing, if the five


            4              million was paid back on that loan by


            5              December 17 of this year 5.8 million would


            6              be saved and, Mrs. Fanucci, with the SIT


            7              clerks I missed that part, so if you could


            8              address that again?


            9                      MS. FANUCCI: Yeah.


           10                      MR. MCGOFF:  Thank you.  Anyone


           11              else?  Mrs. Evans.


           12                      MS. EVANS: Before I begin tonight,


           13              just a few items that I want to respond to


           14              before I forget.  With regard to Moosic


           15              Street and the construction of the Pisano


           16              family, I have spoken with Christopher


           17              Pisano, I posed the question what will the


           18              space be used for, his response was, a


           19              restaurant and office space.  I believe that


           20              council granted the Pisano a loan through


           21              OECD, however, that was a no interest loan,


           22              so I hope that answers your questions at


           23              least to the best of my ability at this


           24              point.


           25                      In addition, to respond to






            1              statements made a bit earlier during


            2              citizens' participation regarding the visit


            3              of Senator McCain to the City of Scranton,


            4              when I am working I do not leave to attend


            5              political functions, not for presidential


            6              candidates or a governor or a federal


            7              senator or a state senator.  I have an


            8              obligation to provide a continuum of


            9              education in my classroom and I will


           10              continue to do so.  I think one the speakers


           11              also noted that it is more appropriately the


           12              position of the mayor to welcome visiting


           13              dignitaries to the city.  He is the CEO and


           14              the executive officer of the city and I do


           15              agree he should be present when all


           16              individuals are visiting this city.


           17                      Also, because zoning became such an


           18              issue earlier tonight, I have a very serious


           19              concerning about the zoning on Dickson


           20              Avenue with regard to Daron Northeast.  DEP


           21              I believe in their reports concerning that


           22              facility made a strong recommendation that


           23              at such time as Daron Northeast would vacate


           24              the premises, the municipality should change


           25              the zoning laws to prevent any business of






            1              that nature from locating into that area,


            2              and so I'd like to see council work toward


            3              having that zoning law changed.  I know that


            4              Daron is scheduled to vacate by the end of


            5              2008, and my concern is that we may if we


            6              hesitate find another business locating


            7              there that's going to cause a similar


            8              problem to the residents who reside less


            9              than 50 feet from that property, so if we


           10              can determine the proper process to follow


           11              I'd like to see this go before the zoning


           12              board for a change in the zoning for that


           13              area.


           14                      MS. GATELLI:  I believe that it's


           15              council that legislates zoning amendments,


           16              so we can do that.


           17                      MS. EVANS: Then, I would like then,


           18              please, Mr. Minora, if you can notify your


           19              brother that council would like to draft


           20              legislation to that end.


           21                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I think, Mrs. Evans,


           22              I don't know what the zoning was before they


           23              moved in there, I don't know if it was


           24              rezoned --


           25                      MS. GATELLI: I think it's light






            1              industrial.


            2                      MR. COURTRIGHT: It was rezoned and I


            3              think if they vacate it for a certain period


            4              of time it would have to come before them


            5              anyway.


            6                      MS. GATELLI: It would go back to the


            7              zone it was.


            8                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Well, originally it


            9              was -- I don't know what it was though


           10              original, was it light industrial?


           11                      MS. FANUCCI:  It was light


           12              industrial, I think it's light industrial


           13              now.


           14                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So, it would have to


           15              be rezoned for something more suitable for


           16              the neighborhood.


           17                      MS. EVANS: Yes.


           18                      MS. GATELLI:  And then you would


           19              just have to have a public hearing I think.


           20                      MS. EVANS: We can schedule a public


           21              hearing.


           22                      MS. GATELLI:  You will have to see


           23              what you want to change it to.


           24                      MS. EVANS: I think we will request


           25              the input of the neighbors of that area of






            1              lower Greenridge before proposing the


            2              change.


            3                      Well, tonight I am seeking my


            4              colleague's support for House Bill 1768, a


            5              cancer presumption bill, for statewide paid


            6              and volunteer firefighters.  One of the many


            7              inherent dangers of firefighting is the


            8              exposure to toxic environments.  Exposure to


            9              these toxins is not limited to battling


           10              structures fires, rather, they are exposed


           11              to toxins from rubbish fires, vehicle fires,


           12              hazardous materials incidents and vehicle


           13              accidents.


           14                      While firefighters routinely and


           15              willingly put themselves in harm's way in


           16              performance of their duties, their


           17              well-being should not be a matter of


           18              political interpretation on the local level.


           19              Cancer is a very real concern for


           20              firefighters and their families, not only in


           21              terms of the debilitating medical condition


           22              and it's treatment, but also the financial


           23              hardships such a disease can case.  The


           24              duties of a firefighter have changed


           25              dramatically over the last century and so






            1              have advancements in synthetic materials and


            2              chemicals, thus, the danger to firefighters


            3              has increased.


            4                      I am asking for my colleagues'


            5              consideration of this very important issue


            6              to firefighters statewide, therefore, I move


            7              that Scranton City Council draft a


            8              resolution supporting the House Bill 1768


            9              and that such resolution following legal and


           10              lawful adoption be forwarded to Senator


           11              Robert Mellow.


           12                      MS. GATELLI: Second.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?


           14                      MS. EVANS: I also have a copy of a


           15              resolution that was drafted by Hazelton in


           16              support of this same House Bill, so if


           17              everyone would like to take a look at it and


           18              if it meets your approval then perhaps


           19              Attorney Minora could use this resolution as


           20              his template.


           21                      MR. MCGOFF: I was just going to ask


           22              if you could -- oh, I see, okay.  So while


           23              we are waiting, in essence what it does is


           24              it simply adds cancer to a list of other --


           25                      MS. FANUCCI: Diseases and problems






            1              that occur during firefighting.


            2                      MR. MCGOFF: Other problems that may


            3              be --


            4                      MS. EVANS: Yes, and I understand


            5              that it passed through the house.


            6                      MR. MCGOFF: Occupational --


            7                      MS. EVANS: With only two negative


            8              votes and it's currently sitting in


            9              committee waiting to be introduced into the


           10              senate and there is a time line on this, I


           11              believe it needs to reach Senator Mellow


           12              probably within the next three to four weeks


           13              in order to be pertinent.


           14                      MR. MCGOFF: I have to wait for


           15              Mr. Courtright, but all in favor signify by


           16              saying aye.


           17                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           18                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           19                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           20                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           21              ayes have it and so moved.


           22                      MS. EVANS: Thank you.  This past


           23              week I heard that the financial caucus


           24              conducted prior to last week's council


           25              meeting was never broadcast.  I learned






            1              earlier this evening the reason was that


            2              ECTV was never requested to provide coverage


            3              of that meeting, but I do recall this


            4              talented young man, our cameraman, and his


            5              camera were present and available during


            6              this caucus and I think it is really ashame,


            7              a disgrace in fact, that the ball was


            8              dropped and that meeting was not broadcast


            9              because it concerned the mayor's most recent


           10              borrowing and the public certainly had a


           11              right to view it and know all of the facts,


           12              and I believe if ECTV cannot provide proper


           13              coverage of caucuses and meetings then


           14              Scranton Today should be authorized by the


           15              mayor to step in.


           16                      Although, many area residents have


           17              registered their dissatisfaction with ECTV


           18              over the last three months, I have advised


           19              patience and a fair window of opportunity


           20              for ECTV and I had withheld my comments


           21              during this transition period, however, one


           22              gentleman I spoke with last week summed it


           23              up best by saying:  I'm not the smartest guy


           24              in town, but in situation is easy to figure


           25              out.  We had Channel 61 and Scranton Today






            1              and had live coverage of every meeting.


            2              They never got money.  Now we have ECTV and


            3              lousy coverage and they're supposed to get


            4              $100,000, and I haven't seen a meeting since


            5              July.  Somebody just doesn't want people to


            6              see these meetings.


            7                      Well, we also agree that neither of


            8              us were able to see the most recent school


            9              board meeting and that never used to occur.


           10              Therefore, I move to send a letter to the


           11              mayor requesting that Scranton Today resume


           12              operation of Channel 61 until such time as


           13              ECTV provides live coverage of all local


           14              government meetings and we ask this in order


           15              to provide the citizens of Scranton with an


           16              equal level of public access viewing of


           17              their government meetings which they had


           18              enjoyed for the previous nine years.


           19                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  I will second that


           20              then I will have a comment that I will ask


           21              you to change your motion as soon as it's on


           22              the question.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?


           24                      MR. COURTRIGHT: On the question, I


           25              did a whole lot of homework this last week






            1              on ECTV and I have some information that


            2              I'll share with everybody when it's my turn


            3              to speak and I don't know, and I'll ask


            4              Mr. Minora if we could do this, I'm going to


            5              ask Mrs. Evans if she withdraw her motion


            6              until what time I speak and give this


            7              information to the rest of council, I just


            8              got it today, it might alter the way they


            9              vote, all right?  I'm guessing it might


           10              alter them to vote in favor of your motion.


           11              Would Mrs. Evans after I give my information


           12              be able to speak out of turn and make a


           13              motion again, Mr. Minora, is this allowed?


           14                      MR. MINORA: I believe so or if not


           15              you could make the motion yourself.


           16                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Okay.


           17                      MS. EVANS: If not you can make the


           18              motion, but I will withdraw the motion.


           19                      MR. COURTRIGHT: And I think


           20              everybody will understand once I give the


           21              information that I have.  I just got it


           22              today so I didn't have an opportunity to put


           23              it down in writing or anything like that.


           24                      MS. EVANS: And I know last week,


           25              Mr. Courtright, I promised to ascertain some






            1              information for you regarding ECTV, and this


            2              information comes to me from the president


            3              of Scranton Today who was one of the


            4              original founders of Channel 61 and 62 and


            5              has volunteered tirelessly with those two


            6              stations for the years.  The startup funding


            7              for equipment came from the Scranton Area


            8              Foundation.  I was reminded that the RFP for


            9              Scranton Today and their website clearly


           10              states that.  They received zero startup


           11              dollars from the city and, in fact, only ev


           12              er received $13,000 from the city in their


           13              nine years.  So I hope that clarifies the


           14              issue from last week.


           15                      Now, because the public was deprived


           16              of the right to see the financial caucus


           17              last week I will provide the information.


           18              Present at the caucus were Ray Lowry and


           19              Mary Ellen Cawler, representing PNC Bank.


           20              Brian Kozlanski and Dave Crane, bound


           21              counsel.  Stu Renda, business administrator,


           22              and all city council members.


           23                      There are actually three financial


           24              arrangements or borrowing episodes by the


           25              city involving the DPW, first, the series of






            1              2004 for $4 million at 5.99 percent fixed


            2              interest rate, a maturity date,


            3              December 2016.  And according to Mr. Renda,


            4              the city to date has paid 1.2 million on the


            5              series of 2004.


            6                      The second is the series of 2005,


            7              5.5 million at a 6.99 fixed interest rate


            8              with the maturity date of December 2008.


            9              According to Mr. Renda, the city paid


           10              $1 million in interest and $10,000 in


           11              principal to date.


           12                      The series of 2006 for $10 million,


           13              6.10 percent fixed interest rate, maturity


           14              date November 2024, and according to Mr.


           15              Renda, the city has paid $530,000 on series


           16              of 2006.  And that is an interest only to


           17              date.  The principal for the series of 2006,


           18              is payable beginning November 1, 2008, that


           19              is in approximately five weeks.


           20                      As of today, the mayor hopes to pay


           21              off the series of 2005 by borrowing


           22              6.1 million, and as I said, over one million


           23              in interest and principal payments were


           24              already paid.


           25                      The interest rate for the new






            1              borrowing is approximately 2.67 percent


            2              variable rate, that was the rate as of last


            3              week with a ceiling of 20 percent interest.


            4              Maturity date is 2026.  The city cannot


            5              obtain bond insurance, so the bonds are


            6              secured by a PNC Bank letter of credit.


            7                      In 2003, the mayor boasted of a


            8              double or AAA bond rating which was secured,


            9              we later learned in 2004, by $1 million in


           10              bond insurance.  I would suggest that


           11              Mr. Renda research the archives of the


           12              newspaper and perhaps find those statements.


           13              Today our bond rating stands at BBB since


           14              Standard and Poor's lowered it nearly one


           15              year ago for failure to cut costs and


           16              extensive borrowing.


           17                      Further, this financial arrangement


           18              occurs without benefit of the 2007 audit.  I


           19              question the financial panel about the


           20              wisdom of this action.  Mr. Lowry said, "The


           21              bank feels a comfort level with this


           22              arrangement."


           23                      I asked why 5.5 million would be


           24              loaned to the city in 2005 for only a


           25              three-year period knowing that the city ran






            1              a structural deficit and was in dire


            2              financial straights with no opportunity for


            3              a payoff in three years.  Mr. Lowry offered


            4              that he has a vision of the future for


            5              Scranton.


            6                      Ladies and gentlemen, in banking, an


            7              idealistic future vision and a comfy, cozy


            8              comfort level have no place.  That is a sin


            9              against the taxpayers who are suffering from


           10              unemployment, fixed incomes and poverty.


           11                   The DPW was built at a cost of


           12              $3.5 million and has never been appraised,


           13              although, now it has been used four times by


           14              the city to borrow money, twice through the


           15              Sewer Authority and twice through the


           16              Redevelopment Authority.  It is difficult to


           17              ascertain if the Sewer Authority or the


           18              Redevelopment Authority owns the DPW until


           19              payments in full are made some day.  Why the


           20              city cannot borrow directly I don't know.


           21              In total, the combination of the 2004/2006


           22              and let us just say we'll set aside the 2005


           23              and consider the new 2008 borrowing against


           24              the DPW, equals $20.1 million which will be


           25              paid back over the next 18 years.  Yet, this






            1              is not the grand total of our city's debt.


            2              I haven't included the $74 million borrowed


            3              in 2003 which we will pay until the Year


            4              2033 or the tens of millions amassed by the


            5              city authority.  Equally important, the


            6              mayor has guaranteed all of this debt


            7              through his ability to tax you.


            8                      The bottom line is this, the new


            9              borrowing carries a variable interest rate


           10              of 2.67 percent as of last week with an


           11              interest rate ceiling of 20 percent.  The


           12              original interest rate was 6.99 percent


           13              fixed.  The city has already paid over a


           14              million in interest and principal.  The


           15              original dollar amount was 5.5 million and


           16              the new borrowing is at a maximum 6.1


           17              million.  The payment went from three years


           18              to 18 years.  The mayor is borrowing to pay


           19              off his borrowing once again.  The total


           20              cost for the $3.5 million DPW will now be


           21              $20.1 million that the taxpayers will owe.


           22                   More important, the mayor has made no


           23              attempt to tighten his belt.  He has


           24              expanded management, awarded hefty


           25              management raises, forced early retirement






            1              for which we pay out double pensions, shut


            2              down the Healthcare Cost Containment


            3              Committee, hired unnecessary consultants and


            4              escalated legal costs by fighting lost


            5              arbitration cases and municipal unions for


            6              seven years.


            7                      Both he and the business


            8              administrator has the responsibility


            9              throughout Home Rule Charter and the


           10              Administrative Code not to spend more than


           11              what a budget states, yet, each year the


           12              mayor either budgets incorrectly or engages


           13              in deficit spending.  I have warned him not


           14              to borrow in 2005 and each year I was seated


           15              on council.  Like a teenager who runs up


           16              credit card debt, no reasonable parent would


           17              give the teen another credit card year after


           18              year, and no responsible parent would bail


           19              out a spoiled child unless he cancelled the


           20              card and did everything possible to pay down


           21              his debt.  With no good faith movement on


           22              the mayor's part to curb his spending and


           23              pay down his debt, I can't approve his


           24              latest bond issue.


           25                      The city is receiving increases in






            1              collected wage taxes and 12.2 million sits


            2              in Fidelity Bank.  Coincidentally, the mayor


            3              believes about $5 million of that sum


            4              belongs to the city, yet, once again, he is


            5              borrowing to pay off his borrowing.  Banks


            6              enable such actions.  Mr. Lowry, that is the


            7              original sin.


            8                      And, finally, I have some requests


            9              for the past two weeks, and I do apologize


           10              for not having responded to e-mails.  I am


           11              having computer problems again, I can


           12              receive e-mails, but I am unable to send


           13              them and I'm hoping that within the next


           14              week I'll send the computer out once again


           15              and have that rectified.  The requests are,


           16              and this first one reflects a speaker


           17              tonight, approximately 100 feet north of


           18              3040 Olyphant Avenue, please examine and


           19              repair area marked by red sawhorse.


           20                      Number two, council requests a copy


           21              of the letter of credit between PNC Bank and


           22              the City of Scranton.


           23                      Next, a letter to Leo D'Angello,


           24              what is the location of the old and


           25              dangerous sidewalks and lighting in downtown






            1              Scranton for which $300,000 in 2009 CDBG


            2              funds has been applied.  Please provide a


            3              written response on or before September 30,


            4              2008.


            5                      217-219 and 221 North Garfield


            6              Avenue, houses are cluttered with furniture,


            7              bags, clothing on railings, toys, and


            8              garbage cans are on sidewalk.  The neighbors


            9              complain that these properties are an


           10              eyesore and a safety hazard.


           11                      A letter to the city engineer and


           12              Army Corp or Engineers, the Parker Street


           13              bridge has been closed to one lane since


           14              April 2008 yet no work appears to occur.


           15              Residents of Scranton wish to know a


           16              timeline for this bridge.  They report that


           17              fights have occurred on the stretch of road


           18              since drivers run the red light.  This is my


           19              second request, I believe the first request


           20              went to Mr. Brazil with no response.


           21                      895 Providence Road, old Atlas Glass


           22              property, that was never cleared since last


           23              summer and I think Mr. Liptai handled this


           24              and perhaps we could just ask him for an


           25              update on the owner.






            1                      And I am also going to ask that our


            2              office would resubmit three citizens'


            3              request that were made at previous meetings


            4              and written responses were requested by


            5              yesterday, September 22, and, of course, no


            6              responses were received, so I am going to


            7              ask for those one again with council's


            8              agreement, and that's it.


            9                      MR.  MCGOFF:  Thank you, Mrs. Evans.


           10              Mrs. Gatelli.


           11                      MS. GATELLI: The first thing I have


           12              is I did speak with Representative Smith as


           13              late as about 4:30 this afternoon.  He is


           14              looking into a situation for us, I forgot to


           15              discuss it with my colleagues, to put some


           16              money into OECD for that issue, probably at


           17              least 10,000, Bob, if you could add it to


           18              the block grants for next year because it is


           19              going to cost us money.  They do it up in


           20              Dunmore and they had to hire someone


           21              strictly to trap the skunks, so I will be


           22              speaking with Mr. Smith further on that and


           23              hoping that he can help us with our problems


           24              here.


           25                      Someone asked a question about down






            1              on the 500 block of Lackawanna Avenue and


            2              the only thing I could find, and maybe


            3              Sherry will know more, but it says, "The


            4              project is being funded through the United


            5              States Department of Transportation and the


            6              Federal Highway Administration through the


            7              Transportation Enhancements Program," so I


            8              don't think that we are spending anymore


            9              money.  Most of the state money and the


           10              federal money that is given for this project


           11              must flow the municipality, that's the


           12              procedure and I believe that is what part of


           13              this agreement is for.


           14                      Another question was about the


           15              Pisano light, I don't know if Mrs.


           16              Schumacher was here last time, but we did


           17              table and it and I did try to get some


           18              information, although, it wasn't very


           19              successful.  On the loan documents say that


           20              eight jobs are to be created, but I was


           21              under the impression that it was a


           22              restaurant.  It doesn't really say that in


           23              the documents that I have been looking at,


           24              and I would imagine as long as he creates


           25              eight jobs for low to moderate income people






            1              then he satisfies his obligation.


            2                      My only problem with it is that


            3              there had been a study done in the downtown


            4              and it included Moosic Street and Meadow


            5              Avenue, and I had inquired about it several


            6              years ago before I was seated on council as


            7              a neighborhood president because most of it


            8              effected the South Side area and we had


            9              fought that light on Meadow Avenue for the


           10              last 11 years that it hasn't been there.


           11              I'm concerned that those aren't done, the


           12              light on Moosic and Harrison has not been


           13              corrected, you cannot make a left-hand turn


           14              going up Moosic, a left on Harrison Avenue,


           15              without taking your life in your hands.  One


           16              of my former fellow teachers at Northeastern


           17              Intermediate School was run over by a car


           18              there last Christmas and it is a very, very


           19              dangerous intersection, much more dangerous


           20              than the one on Front and Moosic.


           21                      I have never seen any problems on


           22              Front and Moosic.  There is a donut shop, a


           23              Chinese restaurant, La'Trattoria, you know,


           24              there was so much commercial business there


           25              I don't understand what's changed.  You






            1              know, Granitos was there, there was


            2              apartments in there, so I don't understand


            3              why this is being done and the rest of it is


            4              being ignored and it says in the legislation


            5              that they are going to install a traffic


            6              signal.  Well, there is one there already.


            7                   So, you know, my question questions


            8              weren't answered and, you know, I'm sorry


            9              that it's back on the agenda, but all of my


           10              questions weren't answered and I will be


           11              voting "no" on that this evening for the


           12              reasons I have stated, unless you want to


           13              table it again.


           14                      As far as the of what everyone is


           15              calling the borrowing, I guess it's being


           16              called that so that we can start the


           17              election campaigns for next year.  I spoke


           18              to several accountants, I spoke to other


           19              bond counsels in Philadelphia, and they all


           20              assured me that it is a refinancing.  They


           21              said that to default on a loan is a very


           22              critical and dangerous thing for a


           23              municipality to do.  I believe that we have


           24              one more week before this is final.  I will


           25              seek some more information, I don't like






            1              that we have to pay more.  I'll agree with


            2              you I don't like that.  I want the five


            3              million from the tax office that's owed us


            4              that we still haven't gotten that we


            5              probably won't get for the rest of the year


            6              because the audit wasn't started in a timely


            7              fashion in my opinion.


            8                      We can praise them for all the money


            9              they are taking in, but that's money because


           10              people are scared now.  They are scared that


           11              they are going to get caught not paying


           12              their taxes, that's what that's all about.


           13              They are not doing anymore work than the


           14              workers up there have done in the last


           15              several years.  The people in that office


           16              always worked and they did a fine job, but


           17              the people are scared now, the ones that


           18              didn't pay before, and that's why it looks


           19              like they are bringing in a lot more money.


           20              In fact, they are bringing in a lot more


           21              money, but the audit should have been done


           22              more expeditiously.  This is putting the


           23              City of Scranton at risk.


           24                      And as far as calling it borrowing,


           25              there are people seated up here that






            1              borrowed money twice, two years, I believe


            2              2003 and 2005 and I don't see anybody


            3              questioning those people.  There is a person


            4              that used to sit up here and he voted for


            5              borrowing, too, and I'm sure a lot of you,


            6              including me, supported him in an election.


            7              Nothing is said about that person, so I


            8              always wonder why, why they always pick on


            9              Judy.  Why Judy borrows.  Everyone else


           10              borrows and nothing is said.  Bless


           11              yourself, Bill, you should bless yourself.


           12                      MR. JACKOWITZ: I just did.


           13                      MS. GATELLI: You really should.  You


           14              should bless yourself.


           15                      MR. JACKOWITZ: I just did.


           16                      MS. GATELLI: Because a lot of people


           17              come here and they have one motive in mind


           18              and it's the election of next year.  I have


           19              already started to receive the nasty letters


           20              in the mail criticizing everything from my


           21              hairdo to the way I eat my mints up here and


           22              drink my coffee.  Other people drink coffee


           23              up here, everybody has a cup up here, but


           24              Judy Gatelli got a letter in the mail


           25              anonymous.  Somebody must be awfully scared






            1              that they have to threaten another council


            2              person up here.


            3                      So, you know, I find it interesting,


            4              too, that I was criticized for attending a


            5              zoning board meeting.  I have attended


            6              zoning board meetings for the last 25 years,


            7              and just because I sit up here doesn't


            8              preclude me from speaking for my


            9              neighborhood.  I will continue to fight for


           10              my neighborhood, and I'll continue to fight


           11              for yours if you need me, just ask.  I would


           12              wouldn't want anything going in your


           13              neighborhood that didn't belong there


           14              either, and I will support Mrs. Evans on


           15              that.  We will spot zone that area.  We can


           16              spot zone, we have that authority and I will


           17              do that.


           18                      But to be chastised for defending my


           19              neighbors, that is just absurd.  I have


           20              fought for my neighborhood longer than some


           21              of the people up here have lived in


           22              Scranton.  I have lived here for 57 years.


           23              I went from Prospect Avenue up to two blocks


           24              to Connell Street.  I'm in the same


           25              neighborhood I was born in. So, I do love my






            1              city and I do love everything that goes on


            2              here and I'm happy with what's going on and


            3              I will continue to fight for everyone else.


            4              West Side is seeing some of the demolition


            5              coming now in their neighborhood and that's


            6              the way it should be, neighborhood by


            7              neighborhood.


            8                      So, if you want to criticize me


            9              that's fine, but my record speaks for


           10              itself.  You ask the people in South


           11              Scranton what I have done for 27 years.


           12              They were very happy that I came here to


           13              defend them and you can laugh and criticize


           14              me all you want.  I will continue to fight


           15              for my neighborhood and even if I don't sit


           16              up here anymore I'll be down there and I'll


           17              be in the South Side residence until the day


           18              of my last breath.  Maybe some of you should


           19              join and participate in cleanups and


           20              plantings at parks, it's very rewarding.


           21                      I will find out some more about the


           22              refinancing, but please be aware that there


           23              are other people sitting up here that voted


           24              for borrowing in the past and they have not


           25              been axed in the throat for what they did.






            1              So, please, be patient and I will try to do


            2              what's best for all of you.  Thank you.


            3                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Mrs. Gatelli, can I


            4              interrupt you for one second?  I have a


            5              little bit of information about the Pisano


            6              project and if it's not enough information


            7              or if you would like to confirm it then I


            8              ask that maybe we table it rather than just


            9              voting down because we don't have enough


           10              information, Chris Pisano called me about a


           11              week ago and I returned his call and here is


           12              the information that he has given me, and


           13              maybe we could verify it before we do


           14              anything, but he is saying that they were


           15              mandated by PennDOT to do this study and


           16              that all of the costs incurred is on him,


           17              that none of the costs for any of this is on


           18              the city.  I'm not 100 percent sure about


           19              putting in a new traffic signal in there, I


           20              thought the last one, the legislation read


           21              that we were going to change the timing, the


           22              existing timing.


           23                      MS. EVANS: Yes.


           24                      MR. COURTRIGHT: The existing signal.


           25                      MS. GATELLI: It says right in here






            1              install.


            2                      MR. COURTRIGHT: You're right.  I


            3              noticed that this week, but was that the way


            4              it was the previous week?


            5                      MS. GATELLI: Another one it says


            6              erect.  Erect, operate and maintain.


            7                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So he assured me


            8              that all the costs were going to be, you


            9              know, his responsibility, so maybe we can


           10              confirm that through the law department or


           11              whatever and maybe we need to table it


           12              because I had asked him, I said, you know,


           13              there is other projects that have been in


           14              the pipeline long before yours and people


           15              are concerned that your project is getting


           16              jumped ahead, and he said, "Absolutely not."


           17                   Now, I don't know Chris Pisano, I know


           18              the dad a lot better than I know the son,


           19              but that's who I spoke to, so maybe we could


           20              table it and I'll see what the law


           21              department found out exactly, what it is,


           22              and if, in fact, they are paying for


           23              everything I don't know how we stop them.


           24              If they were being jumped ahead and the city


           25              was paying then, obviously, I wouldn't go






            1              for that.


            2                      MS. GATELLI:  Because it does say,


            3              Bill, that the City of Scranton will install


            4              and operate.


            5                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Right.  Right.


            6                      MS. GATELLI:  It doesn't say that


            7              someone else is going to pay for it.


            8                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I'll clarify that


            9              with the with law department if everybody is


           10              willing to go along with --


           11                      MS. GATELLI: Is this the last week


           12              for that?


           13                      MR. COURTRIGHT: We're in seventh


           14              order; correct?


           15                      MS. GARVEY: It's in Fifth Order.


           16                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Unless everybody


           17              would be willing to move it forward and then


           18              I'll get that information for next week.


           19                      MS. GATELLI:  I'll do that.


           20                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Is that all right


           21              with everybody?  Thank you.


           22                      MS. EVANS: I think, also, it was due


           23              to -- the changes were necessary due to a


           24              traffic back up on Moosic Street.  They


           25              wanted to change the timing of the light in






            1              order -- for one lane only, not on both


            2              sides of the lane in order to facilitate


            3              traffic.


            4                      MS. GATELLI: Does anybody know


            5              what's going to be there?


            6                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I think a


            7              restaurant.  I am being told it was a


            8              restaurant.


            9                      MS. EVANS: I said earlier it's a


           10              restaurant, according to Chris Pisano, a


           11              restaurant and office space.


           12                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  What I was hearing


           13              also was going to go in there and now I


           14              think it's not a go, I think also Magistrate


           15              Russell was supposed to move there and now I


           16              don't believe he is for whatever reasons,


           17              because at one point in time when they were


           18              giving up footage there I think the parking


           19              was an issue and they were doing that so


           20              that the state police or local police were


           21              going to bring prisoners in you wouldn't


           22              bring them in right on Moosic Street, but


           23              for whatever reason I don't believe that's


           24              happening.  I could be wrong, so now my


           25              understanding is offices and a restaurant.






            1              I don't know what kind of restaurant, but


            2              I'll clarify it with the law department


            3              after this.


            4                      MS. GATELLI: Whose turn is it, I


            5              don't want to interrupt.


            6                      MS. FANUCCI: It's yours.


            7                      MS. GATELLI:  If, in fact, we do


            8              push this forward I think that we need to do


            9              something with the city engineer and PennDOT


           10              and ask why the signalization in downtown


           11              and the signalization on Moosic Street isn't


           12              being correct.  I know that study was done a


           13              few years ago, even for the downtown.  You


           14              could wait at least a minute half coming up


           15              Washington to try and make a left on


           16              Lackawanna.


           17                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I think it's our


           18              responsibility, when I say "our", the city


           19              to maintain that timing.  They are supposed


           20              to have things underground that I don't


           21              think they have worked for years and I think


           22              that's the problem.


           23                      MS. GATELLI: Well, they had told me


           24              years ago that they were waiting for this


           25              study.






            1                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Oh, okay.


            2                      MS. GATELLI: But we need to find


            3              that out, Mrs. Garvey, if you can, because


            4              maybe that would answer the rest of the


            5              questions of the questions.  Thank you.


            6              Thank you, Bill.


            7                      MR. MCGOFF: Ms. Fanucci.


            8                      MS. FANUCCI: I wanted to answer some


            9              questions about the OECD.  PennDOT is paying


           10              for that funding, the reason that it's being


           11              done is that PennDOT cannot evaluate, they


           12              are not qualified to evaluate, so they had


           13              to hire someone to come in and do it, they


           14              will be, but they are paying all the funding


           15              so that's one thing on 5-E so that we know.


           16                   Same thing with the streetscape


           17              project, that's also part of it, it's been


           18              done since the first phase and we just have


           19              to pass the legislation to keep the money


           20              flowing, it's not new financial thing or


           21              financial spending it's just part of the


           22              project from what I have been told.


           23                      I want to talk to you about,


           24              everyone, my colleagues, talking about it


           25              with Amil when he comes back, his stunt






            1              double is here, maybe you can help, that I'm


            2              thinking about the city going green,


            3              businesses in the city and recycling and


            4              doing something to help in that department.


            5              Whether we can write legislation, see what


            6              other cities have done, impose fines for


            7              people who are not willing to do so.  It's


            8              time that we actually participate in this


            9              and it's not something that we should take


           10              lightly.  It's time.  Our impact on the


           11              environment is huge and if we do not jump on


           12              this now it's going to be too late.  We knew


           13              to do the right thing and it's time tore us


           14              to be responsible.  And so I would like to


           15              do some research on that.


           16                      Also, I'd like to speak about the


           17              bond rating.  The bond rating seems to come


           18              up quite often here and, Ancherani, I


           19              already feel you looking, but let me tell


           20              you right now, the bond rating was only


           21              raised when we were under the last


           22              administration.  The bond rating was low and


           23              it was raised.  It was raised for one reason


           24              the Recovery Plan and the promises of having


           25              a plan on paper.  Unfortunately, the plan






            1              has not been implemented, not due to anyone


            2              up here, I'll can tell you that, but it has


            3              not been implemented and until that happens


            4              our bond rating was lowered, so that is the


            5              only reason.  The bond rating was not higher


            6              because we are doing any better or


            7              financially more solvent then, it was not


            8              lowered because we were not financial


            9              solvent.  It was because of a plan that was


           10              in effect and we went to Standard and Poors


           11              and the city went and said, "Here is our


           12              plan," and they said, "Okay, we'll give you


           13              a shot."


           14                      It didn't happen because it's years


           15              later as we all know, unfortunately, with


           16              contract negotiations and our bond rating


           17              has been put back to where we were.  Sad,


           18              but true.  So, unfortunately, the bond


           19              rating does not effect where we are in the


           20              city or who we are in the city.  It is where


           21              we were.


           22                      I also want to talk about something


           23              very important, very important in our city.


           24              All of the people who showed up at the


           25              school board meeting worried about all of






            1              the money that they are spending, amazing to


            2              me week after week people come here worried


            3              about the taxes that we impose, being the


            4              lowest taxing body on your tax bill, by the


            5              way, you come here week after week screaming


            6              and yelling about taxes being raised once in


            7              how many years, was it?  Mrs. Gatelli, do


            8              you recall how many years it was since the


            9              last raise?  Seven or --


           10                      MS. GATELLI:  Eleven or 12.


           11                      MS. FANUCCI: Oh, 12 years, but yet


           12              not one person cared enough to even go and


           13              find out.  You don't even now how much you


           14              are going to be paying when you open your


           15              bill you will find out, but it seems to me


           16              amazing that the same people who come here,


           17              tax groups that claim to be Scranton/


           18              Lackawanna County Taxpayers who are worried


           19              about here and not worried about where most


           20              of their money is going just amazes me.  It


           21              also shows me exactly what the intent here


           22              is at this meetings.  I have said it from


           23              day one and I love when I'm right, it


           24              actually makes me feel really good at the


           25              end of the day, but it is very telling and






            1              unbelievable to me because you would think


            2              that you would at least try to cover your


            3              tracks and go and speak your mind at other


            4              meetings where you are spending a lot more


            5              money.  A lot more money.


            6                      So, I just wanted to point that out.


            7              I would think that, you know, most of our


            8              taxpayers here, and especially our regulars,


            9              would have cared enough to have voiced their


           10              opinion on other financial institutions that


           11              they are paying a lot of money to, but they


           12              didn't.  So I move on and I move on with a


           13              better understanding and being proved right


           14              again.


           15                      Also, I'd like to speak on one more


           16              thing, which is the TV.  I know that we are


           17              going to talk about this later, I'm an


           18              actual of where with this, so I'm glad you


           19              got more information.  People say that we


           20              are afraid to be on TV, actually, I love


           21              being on TV.  I live to be on TV.  It's a


           22              joke, but I don't care if we're live, I


           23              don't care if we're not live, it doesn't


           24              matter.  You know, I don't try to hide what


           25              happens here, in fact, I love it.  I think






            1              it's great that every part of these meetings


            2              are shown and people can see exactly what


            3              goes on here because I know how smart the


            4              taxpayers are out there and I know that they


            5              get it, so I'm okay with the meetings being


            6              on.  So, people who claim that I don't, you


            7              know, that there are certain people who


            8              don't want them on, it's certainly not I


            9              because I think it's great.  I love it.


           10                      So I do want to clarify that and we


           11              will see what Bill has to say and try to


           12              proceed from there.  None of us want to stop


           13              your coverage out there, I mean it's I think


           14              important that you think what happens at


           15              every meeting, certainly not just city


           16              council, but other meetings that are very


           17              scarcely attended, and that is all that I


           18              have for tonight and just remember that we


           19              are here, we are doing our job whether you


           20              like the hard decisions we make.


           21                      Oh, I do want to speak on the


           22              refinancing.  Funny, when you refinance your


           23              house at home now you found out you are


           24              borrowing and you didn't know that so that's


           25              a good thing to know.  Refinancing is the






            1              responsible thing to do right now.  None of


            2              us want to be in this situation, none of us


            3              enjoy being in this situation, we don't like


            4              to have to spend money under any


            5              circumstances.  We don't like to have to


            6              borrow, we don't like to have to refinance,


            7              we don't like to be where we are right now.


            8              It is a very difficult situation, but to


            9              make decisions based on what you have to do


           10              is not an easy thing.


           11                      We don't take it lightly.  I


           12              certainly don't take it lightly and I know


           13              none of us do where you are and how you


           14              stand on the situations.  We know everyday


           15              that there is a struggle and there is a


           16              deficit and it is not easy functioning with


           17              all of that, even with the Recovery Plan and


           18              who doesn't like it and who does like it and


           19              the negotiations that go on and the


           20              arbitrations, it is not easy, but to default


           21              on a loan is the worst thing we can do.  The


           22              absolutely worst thing to do and, as I said


           23              before, and I will stand by this, a judge


           24              will not let us declare bankruptcy in this


           25              city.  We will go back to a new group, not






            1              PEL, somebody else that they decide to hire


            2              and we will start from square one, so if we


            3              think we are in a bad situation after all of


            4              this time see how bad it can be when we have


            5              to start from the first page all over again.


            6              That's not the responsible thing to do.  The


            7              responsible thing to do is it keep our head


            8              up, hopefully help our city and,


            9              unfortunately, refinance.  And that is all I


           10              have.


           11                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Okay, I just want to


           12              make one thing clear, I have only spoke to


           13              one employee from ECTV and that would be


           14              Mark Migliori and he has been nothing but a


           15              gentleman to me and has given me whatever


           16              information that I have asked him for, so I


           17              don't want any of this to be misconstrued


           18              that, you know, I don't like him or his


           19              employees that I have never met any of the


           20              employees other than the gentleman that is


           21              filming us right now, but while we were on


           22              the break and then especially once we came


           23              back I had a lot of people said, you know,


           24              aren't -- how come the meetings aren't on TV


           25              anymore and I explained to them they are and






            1              I explained to them what times they are and


            2              I said, you'll see it scrolling on the TV


            3              they will give you the times, and I asked


            4              last week and I'll ask again this week that


            5              ECTV play this a couple of more times


            6              because a lot of people are just telling me


            7              it's not a good time or they are not seeing


            8              it.


            9                      But, anyway, I started digging into


           10              it and I spoke to Comcast today and I asked


           11              them, you know, what is the problem with


           12              this live feed, why can't we get this live


           13              feed here.  My understanding was that it's


           14              just going to be a mile and a half run of


           15              cable from Prescott Avenue to here and the


           16              one question was are you sure Prescott


           17              Avenue is going to be the permanent


           18              location?  I said, no, I'm not sure of that,


           19              I don't know.


           20                      The other thing was, it's not a


           21              matter of running the cable from Prescott


           22              Avenue here, it's matter of running the


           23              cable from Duryea to Prescott Avenue to here


           24              which would run a cost of approximately 22


           25              to $25,000, all right?  Which really -- I






            1              didn't know that that was the situation, I


            2              didn't know that at all.  Now, they have got


            3              or they will be getting $90,000 ECTV at some


            4              point in time.  If they have to take $25,000


            5              of that 90, I don't know, I guess you are


            6              going to have to pay the employees sooner or


            7              later if you are not paying them now and


            8              then even if we get the live feed after they


            9              pay the $25,000 or whatever, Mark himself


           10              has said there was an issue of having enough


           11              money to buy the equipment such as they need


           12              three cameras and a switcher, I'm not quite


           13              sure what a switcher is, I'm ignorant when


           14              it comes to that part.


           15                      This is why I ask Mrs. Evans if she


           16              would hold up on her motion because at this


           17              point in time it might be the thing we need


           18              to do.  I also asked the gentleman from


           19              Comcast I said, what would happen if we


           20              decided to run it out of the library again,


           21              would that be possible?  And he said it


           22              would -- we would be able to go live almost


           23              immediately.  And I said, well, why is that?


           24              He said, you know, it's only up the road and


           25              we are right here, the cable is already run,






            1              there is only one little piece of equipment


            2              I guess they had taken out that could be put


            3              back at very little cost and very fast.


            4                      So again, nothing against ECTV, but


            5              I don't know if, I'm guessing that Scranton


            6              Today would be willing to take back over


            7              until what time ECTV can get up and running


            8              again, but I think it's going to be quite


            9              awhile before we see not only live and not


           10              only Scranton City Council, but any of the


           11              programming going back to as good as it was


           12              if not better because of these things the


           13              gentleman told me today.


           14                      And then one thing he said to me,


           15              and I didn't think of and I don't think


           16              anyone of us thought of, why some people


           17              want it live, and I didn't think about this,


           18              he said to me that as a county, he said, we


           19              need to talk to our county and see if the


           20              county would be interested in putting in


           21              money, and I said they are, they are


           22              piece-mealing it out to ECTV, he said in the


           23              event that we had a disaster here or a flood


           24              or anything like that a live feed for the


           25              city would be very beneficial to the people






            1              in the surrounding area.


            2                      He also let me know that their


            3              contract will be coming up soon and maybe


            4              this $25,000 could be negotiated into the


            5              contract and I said, well, I'm not at


            6              liberty to negotiate the contract with you.


            7                      But, anyway, in my opinion I don't


            8              think we are going to see the programming


            9              get any better than what it is right now for


           10              awhile, and if I'm wrong I think


           11              Mr. Balton's vision, and I never met the guy


           12              before, well, I think he might have filmed


           13              we me one time, I think his vision just


           14              didn't work out.  It just didn't work out,


           15              and my understanding is that I guess it's


           16              Mr. Darcy that is in charge of the situation


           17              now, so maybe we ask him to come in and see


           18              if what I'm saying, if he agrees, if he


           19              thinks it's going to take a long time, and


           20              if he thinks it's going to be this


           21              exorbitant amount of money before they get


           22              up and running and just have him come in and


           23              tell us because I've got to be honest with


           24              you, most of the people aren't happy with


           25              the programming.  They are just not happy






            1              with seeing the weather going across and


            2              whatever else is on there.  You know, they


            3              were hoping for all municipality meetings


            4              that they had before and they were hoping


            5              for live and they were hoping for the new


            6              promised shows that were going to take


            7              place.


            8                      So again, nothing against this


            9              gentleman filming us or Mark or anybody


           10              involved, but it just hasn't worked out the


           11              way I think that everybody had hoped it was


           12              going to work out, so I think it's time to


           13              you have got to do something.


           14                      MS. GATELLI:  You want to call him


           15              and see if he'll come in.


           16                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I'd be more than


           17              willing to call Mr. Darcy and ask him if he


           18              can come in and speak with us and if I'm


           19              correct what's the solution and if I'm


           20              incorrect, correct me, but I'm pretty sure


           21              I'm correct.  This guy from Comcast knew


           22              what he was talking about.


           23                      MS. FANUCCI: Bill, I think with the


           24              address situation there was a lawsuit filed


           25              and I believe there was something with






            1              zoning, so that might be why they were under


            2              the impression they weren't sure where at


            3              that point until they were all cleared with


            4              that because I know that they were, at least


            5              I don't know if they were sued, but


            6              something is going on.


            7                      MS. EVANS: I think there was a


            8              zoning appeal hearing that occurred and the


            9              appeal was dismissed.


           10                      MS. FANUCCI: And there was a zoning


           11              appeal, right.


           12                      MS. GATELLI:  There appeal was


           13              dismissed.


           14                      MS. FANUCCI: They are fine.


           15                      MS. GATELLI: I didn't know that.  I


           16              didn't know there was a decision on the


           17              hearing.


           18                      MS. FANUCCI:  Yeah, I think they are


           19              okay and they are going to stay there, but


           20              that was just recently, that was in the past


           21              two weeks.


           22                      MS. EVANS: Honestly, I don't


           23              remember.


           24                      MS. FANUCCI: So that would maybe


           25              address the situation now.






            1                      MS. GATELLI: Kay, you might want to


            2              ask John Wallace by next week to let us know


            3              if the hearing was dismissed.


            4                      MS. FANUCCI: And I think it would be


            5              great if he comes in and gives us some


            6              insight into what's going on instead of us


            7              sitting here spinning our wheels every week.


            8              We don't know.  I mean, we really don't


            9              know.  It's not, to be honest with you, we


           10              aren't anymore informed than you are.  We


           11              know what you do.


           12                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  I know hindsight is


           13              20/20, but I think when they made their plan


           14              to take over they should have known about


           15              this cost and difficulty in running this


           16              live feed.


           17                      MS. GATELLI:  I think it was Balton.


           18                      MR. COURTRIGHT: And Mr. Balton


           19              evidently missed the mark here, I'm sorry,


           20              Mr. Balton, where you are at, but I don't


           21              think you did enough homework when it came


           22              to that.


           23                      MS. FANUCCI: Let's find out, too,


           24              because at the end of the day we can write


           25              every letter we want to write, but it's






            1              something that is not our decision again and


            2              I don't want to end up --


            3                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  I would say this,


            4              if Mr. Darcy comes in here and says I'm


            5              correct in what I'm saying, and if five


            6              members of this council thinks it's


            7              something that needs to be done, I don't


            8              think the mayor would have much choice than


            9              to agree to this, and maybe he would agree


           10              to temporarily let Scranton Today take back


           11              over or whatever, somehow resolve what's


           12              going on because I don't think most of the


           13              people aren't happy with the way things are


           14              being run right now and so let's try to


           15              correct that.


           16                      MS. EVANS: Mr. Courtright, that's


           17              all I was asking for a temporary fix until


           18              ECTV would be up and running and providing


           19              an equal level of services to what's been


           20              enjoyed in the past, that's all.  It wasn't


           21              to replace them, it was simply to --


           22                      MS. GATELLI:  No, but I think we


           23              need the answer of where they are at.


           24                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  So, maybe,


           25              Mrs. Garvey, if you could --






            1                      MS. FANUCCI: Call and ask them.


            2                      MS. GATELLI:  We need to make a


            3              decision after that, we need to get him in


            4              here to answer questions.


            5                      MR. COURTRIGHT: If you can maybe ask


            6              for 6:00 next week and --


            7                      MR. MCGOFF: We have to have a public


            8              hearing.


            9                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Oh, we have to have


           10              a public hearing.


           11                      MS. GATELLI:  Quarter to six maybe.


           12                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Whatever time we can


           13              get him I'll take from my business to get


           14              here for that, if I have to close up for


           15              that night I will, but I would just like to


           16              get this resolved one way or the other


           17              because people aren't happy with the way


           18              it's being done and including myself.


           19                      MS. FANUCCI: Because you love being


           20              on TV.


           21                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  I love being on TV,


           22              and that's all I have on that and now I'll


           23              continue to look into this and hopefully we


           24              see him here next week.  He is in charge


           25              now, right, Mr. Darcy?






            1                      MS. EVANS: Well, from what we know.


            2                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Is he running your


            3              -- cameraman there, were --


            4                      THE CAMERA MAN: Is he like the


            5              executive director?


            6                      MR. COURTRIGHT: That's wrong.


            7                      THE CAMERA MAN: Is Mr. Darcy above


            8              him?


            9                      MS. EVANS: Isn't he the president of


           10              the board or the chairman of the board.


           11                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  I'm unfairly asking


           12              the camera guy.


           13                      MS. GATELLI:  Why don't we have the


           14              two of them here, get the two of them here.


           15                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  And in speaking


           16              with Mark I don't think he would have any


           17              problem with coming in.  I've never spoke to


           18              Mr. Darcy in my life.  .


           19                      MS. GATELLI: Have the two of them


           20              here and let's get it settled.


           21                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Whatever time, if


           22              it's quarter to six then I'll make it my


           23              business to be here, if you could let me


           24              know as soon as possible so I can make


           25              arrangements?  Okay.






            1                      Oh, you know, there was the article


            2              in the paper about the roads getting paved


            3              and some people obviously aren't happy that


            4              their roads aren't the ones getting paved,


            5              all right, but a lot of the people were


            6              complaining that their roads were being done


            7              up by the gas company, but you should be


            8              happy if your road is being dug up by the


            9              gas company because there is many, many


           10              roads that will get paved this year by the


           11              gas company because if they dig up a certain


           12              portion of that road they have to pave it,


           13              so --


           14                      MS. GATELLI:  Those were those ones,


           15              Bill, that Aker and Archbald all in this


           16              section of --


           17                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Right, all the way


           18              down there on Cloverfield and that all the


           19              way Washburn Street, the whole length of


           20              Washburn Street and Garfield and Filmore,


           21              all those off of Washburn they are all being


           22              dug by the gas company so your roads will be


           23              paved, you know, compliments of the gas


           24              company, so have a little patience there.


           25                   Why are some alleys, they are asking






            1              why are some alleys being paved and other


            2              ones aren't, I don't know.  I don't know the


            3              answer to that.  According to what I saw in


            4              the paper they took input from city workers


            5              and that's how they decided what roads to


            6              get paved.


            7                      I am going to comment on what


            8              Mr. Gervasi said because, you know, I don't


            9              always agree and I don't always disagree,


           10              but one thing I agree with is, I think all


           11              of us agree with us, he is saying we spent


           12              $2 million on lawyers fighting the police


           13              and fire and I have to agree with him.  If


           14              we had settled the contracts and they were


           15              get being the raises and getting paid it


           16              probably wouldn't have cost $2 million


           17              up-to-date, so I just urger whoever has the


           18              powers to settle the contract with these


           19              guys and let's move on.  I think it's one of


           20              the things that is really holding this city


           21              back is that these two unions don't have a


           22              contract and I think it's costing us more


           23              money fighting them than it is if we settled


           24              with them.


           25                      Are we losing police officers,






            1              absolutely, and we are losing some of the


            2              police officers that have been here for a


            3              lot of years that have the experience and


            4              the other impact it's having is a lot of


            5              them once they got the job they move out of


            6              Scranton so we lose their tax dollars, and I


            7              hate to see that happen and I think the only


            8              way it's going to stop is if we get these


            9              contracts settled.


           10                      And I know Mrs. Gatelli tried to get


           11              involved and I know we would all like to get


           12              involved, but we have very little to say


           13              when it comes to that.  I don't think our


           14              input is taken too much, some less than


           15              others, but anyway, I urge the


           16              administration to please as expeditiously as


           17              possible try to do something with these


           18              contracts because the only one that is


           19              benefiting the way we are going right now is


           20              the lawyers.


           21                      MS. GATELLI: And you know, Bill,


           22              just to add in there, when these cases are


           23              decided somebody is going to lose.  The city


           24              is going to lose or the municipal fire and


           25              police unions are going to lose and no






            1              matter which one wins we are all going to


            2              lose.  You know, that's how I feel about it


            3              and, I mean, I wish there was something else


            4              that we could do and at the time when I met


            5              with Mr. Jennings and some of the unions we


            6              felt as though if we had enough votes on


            7              council that we could settle the contract.


            8              I don't know that that's ever been done in


            9              the history of the city, but I think if you


           10              have four votes you override the mayor in my


           11              book, I don't know, but that was where we


           12              were going from, Nelson, at the time, you


           13              know, that's what we were thinking when I


           14              met with Tom Jennings and some of the union


           15              people and, you know, it just stopped


           16              because I think that the animosity is there


           17              and the hostility and it's hard for them to


           18              get together now.  If you can think of


           19              anything for council to get that meeting


           20              setup or whatever, every one of us up here


           21              I'm sure is willing to do that.  I mean, you


           22              know, Janet and I were in the same


           23              predicament, we hadn't had a raise for six


           24              years.  It's tough.  It's tough.  We know


           25              because the morale in our building wasn't






            1              good either and you get hostile and you have


            2              animosity and sometimes the bridges are


            3              burned that can't be repaired anymore


            4              because everybody is so angry and I think


            5              that's why a lot of it comes here.  It's the


            6              anger and we understand that and it


            7              interferes with everything else because you


            8              are judged by everything else because of


            9              that.


           10                      And, you know, sometimes it's not


           11              fair to everybody because I like you guys.


           12              I have worked with you guys for years and


           13              years in the neighborhoods and the


           14              firefighters and we all feel the same.  I


           15              mean, there is not one of us sitting up here


           16              that doesn't feel the same way, so if you


           17              can figure out a way, I'm offering the olive


           18              branch again to try and help and my


           19              colleagues I'm sure will nod in agreement if


           20              they agree, that we need to settle this,


           21              because you know what, we are all going to


           22              lose if this is settled in Court.  I don't


           23              think that's the way to go and I think we


           24              need to all sit down as human beings and


           25              forget what happened and settle this because






            1              it's not going to a pretty day in Scranton


            2              when that happens.


            3                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Okay.  And that's


            4              all I have.  Thank you.


            5                      MS. GATELLI:  I'm sorry, Bill.


            6                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  That's okay.


            7                      MS. FANUCCI: Can I just say one


            8              thing before we move on, I really do want to


            9              say one thing, I do want to speak about the


           10              speakers that got up today and spoke about


           11              candidates coming into town and who was here


           12              and who wasn't here.  To be honest with you,


           13              I don't think you have any right to get up


           14              and speak about candidates in this forum and


           15              I know that it keeps continually happening,


           16              but from now on as of today I'm going to


           17              make sure that I call to rules and it


           18              doesn't happen anymore.  I don't care who


           19              you like or who you don't like, this isn't


           20              the forum, and it's not fair to anyone to


           21              get up and speak about certain candidates


           22              and I really -- I find it almost ironic that


           23              it happens every other week and from now on


           24              because we know what's going to happen,


           25              elections are coming, it's going to get






            1              ridiculous and this is how we turn into our


            2              fun circus events that we, you know, have in


            3              the past, so I'm going to make sure from now


            4              on if we can all stick to the fact we will


            5              stand by each and not let people get up and


            6              speak about candidates from now on that we


            7              will stick together on that, please, and


            8              that's all I have.  Thank you.  Sorry.  I


            9              forgot.


           10                      MR. MCGOFF: Are you finished, Bill?


           11                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  I'm done.


           12                      MS. GATELLI: No time left, Bob.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF: I, too, would like to


           14              comment on what Mr. Bolus had to say.  I


           15              think all of us have personal decisions to


           16              make concerning how we spend our time, both


           17              as public officials and as private


           18              individuals, and to criticize us for not


           19              attending a particular event I think is


           20              unnecessary.  Perhaps people had other


           21              priorities as Mrs. Evans said, she was


           22              working, other people were probably working,


           23              perhaps there were things that prevented us


           24              from attending that particular event.  We


           25              have decisions to make based on our lives






            1              and our priorities.


            2                      Also, I don't ever remember getting


            3              an invitation to attend, you know, the rally


            4              or whatever you want to call it and I know


            5              during the primary elections that various


            6              times when candidates were in the city


            7              invitations were extended and we were, you


            8              know, again chose to --


            9                      MS. EVANS:  If the Governor is in


           10              town.


           11                      MR. MCGOFF: Right, and I don't


           12              remember us personally getting an invitation


           13              to the McCain visit, but again, I don't


           14              think it's -- I don't think we should be


           15              criticized for our lack of attendance at a


           16              particular event.


           17                      Also, Mr. Quinn spoke about the CDBG


           18              grants and particularly mentioned St.


           19              Francis, I would just for the record there


           20              was no application from St. Francis for a


           21              grant which is why there was no money


           22              granted in the proposals to them.  There was


           23              just simply no application for a grant


           24              through that program.


           25                      Also, I find it surprising that






            1              people are now coming in and requesting that


            2              Junior Council be reinstituted or


            3              rejuvenated, and some of the people that are


            4              asking for that have been the -- were the


            5              biggest critics of Junior Council and


            6              members of Junior Council and part of the


            7              reason why some of the members of council


            8              didn't return and did leave was because of


            9              the criticism that they did receive and now


           10              we want to, perhaps we are looking for, you


           11              know, scapegoats again, somebody to


           12              criticize, but I think if Junior Council is


           13              going to be rejuvenated it is going to have


           14              to be under some different guidelines and a


           15              different type of program than we had in the


           16              past.


           17                      And the thing with the traffic


           18              signals, I agree with Mr. Schumacher, I


           19              think before we do anything as far as these


           20              traffic signals are concerned the one that


           21              has been lingering the longest and the one


           22              that I think is more important than any of


           23              the others is Meadow Avenue and River


           24              Street, that's an accident waiting to happen


           25              every time a car comes to that intersection,






            1              and I just don't see any movement and


            2              obviously you have been involved in it


            3              longer than I have, but, you know, I think


            4              until something is resolved there we just


            5              put a hold on any other type of movement on


            6              the traffic signals.


            7                      I know that there are other places


            8              in the city where that's important to be


            9              done and the synchronization and the whole


           10              thing, but I think we need to have some idea


           11              of a plan, you know, what is the plan for


           12              dealing with traffic signals in the City of


           13              Scranton?  You know, is there one, or what


           14              are the priorities, at least see something


           15              before we start to vote piecemeal on traffic


           16              signals throughout the city.


           17                      MS. EVANS: Mr. McGoff, if I might


           18              inject though, my only concern, because I do


           19              agree we need answers, we have waited years


           20              and years and years, but I believe that in


           21              the case of the Pisano development and the


           22              Jay's Commons they must obtain a permit from


           23              the State of Pennsylvania and without that


           24              permit they don't intend to proceed with


           25              their projects because should they not






            1              receive that permit because city council


            2              would deny their ordinances or resolutions,


            3              their project is done, so I think you will


            4              see a lack of progress at those locations


            5              until the decision is made.


            6                      MR. MCGOFF: Maybe we can force


            7              somebody's hand on the Meadow and River


            8              Streets, but I understand what you are


            9              saying.  I would just like to see something.


           10                      MS. EVANS: Oh, I agree, it's like


           11              two different departments.  It's like


           12              comparing the business administration office


           13              to the DPW, they all fall under city


           14              government, but they are two entirely


           15              different purposes.


           16                      MR. MCGOFF: Right.  Thank you.  A


           17              few other things.  As far as the skunk


           18              issue, I was very hurried here tonight, my


           19              sister sent me an e-mail, and she may have


           20              sent it to all of us on council, it had


           21              potions for keeping skunks away from your


           22              house, and the one that she sent to me was


           23              one of Jalapeno peppers, onions and cayenne


           24              pepper in water, boil it, strain it, spray


           25              around the garbage cans.  Now, I guess it






            1              keeps the skunks away, but you smell like a


            2              Mexican restaurant, so I don't know what's


            3              the -- but, I know there are on-line kind of


            4              the homemade remedies for dealing with


            5              skunks.  I know that doesn't get rid of them


            6              but, I just --


            7                      MS. HUBBARD: Fox urine, but that


            8              doesn't work.


            9                      MS. FANUCCI: I don't want to have to


           10              get that.


           11                      MR. MCGOFF: But, the skunk thing,


           12              perhaps we can look at funding for that


           13              through the blight program.  I don't know if


           14              that would come under any of the blight or


           15              back in that.


           16                      Two last things, as far as last


           17              week's caucus not being filmed or not being


           18              recorded, I would just like to defend ECTV


           19              on that, I don't remember us ever having our


           20              caucus filmed unless it was specifically


           21              requested, and there was no specific request


           22              made to me or obviously to ECTV to do that


           23              last week, so I don't think it's on them


           24              that it was not recorded or that the camera


           25              was not here for it just as, you know, many






            1              other pre-meeting events that take place are


            2              not filmed, that one was not requested and,


            3              therefore, they didn't.


            4                      And in keeping with that, and we


            5              talked I know a little bit about ECTV


            6              tonight, maybe too much, I would like to see


            7              ECTV given a fair chance to operate.  I


            8              don't think that that's happened.  I think


            9              litigation and appeals and everything else


           10              has prevented them from actually getting to


           11              a point where they can operate as the public


           12              access server for Channel 61.  I would like


           13              to -- I would like to see them get a fair


           14              chance to do what they have initially


           15              proposed to do and I think that in the


           16              coming months now that some of the


           17              litigation and the zoning appeals have been


           18              dealt with perhaps they can get to a point


           19              where they can function and can fulfill the


           20              promises that were made in the proposal and


           21              that is I think the last thing I have to


           22              say.  Moving on.


           23                      MS. GARVEY: FIFTH ORDER.  5-B. FOR


           24              INTRODUCTION - A RESOLUTION - AUTHORIZING
















            5              STREET TO IMPROVE THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC FOR




            7              STREET.


            8                      MR. MCGOFF: At this time I'll


            9              entertain a motion that Item 5-B be


           10              introduced into it's proper committee.


           11                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  So moved.


           12                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?


           14              Anyone?  All in favor signify by saying aye.


           15                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           16                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           17                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           18                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           19                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           20              ayes have it and so moved.


           21                      MS. GARVEY:  5-C. FOR INTRODUCTION -


           22              A RESOLUTION - DESIGNATING BRIAN SWANSON,


           23              CITY ENGINEER, AS THE CITY'S DESIGNATED










            1              STREET AND FRONT STREET FOR THE PISANO


            2              COMMERCIAL PROJECT ON MOOSIC STREET.


            3                      MR. MCGOFF:  At this time I'll


            4              entertain a motion that Item 5-C be


            5              introduced into it's proper committee.


            6                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.


            7                      MS. FANUCCI:  Second.


            8                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


            9              in favor signify by saying aye.


           10                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           11                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           12                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           13                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           14                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           15              ayes have it and so moved.


           16                      MS. GARVEY: 5-D.  FOR INTRODUCTION -


           17              A RESOLUTION - AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND










           22                      MR. MCGOFF:  At this time I'll


           23              entertain a motion that Item 5-D be


           24              introduced into it's proper committee.


           25                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.






            1                      MS. FANUCCI:  Second.


            2                      MS. EVANS: I think one thing


            3              everyone has forgotten is that the fact to


            4              my knowledge Coney Island and Buono Pizza


            5              are still not part of this streetscape


            6              project, and I made a promise a long time


            7              ago that until they were I wasn't going to


            8              agree to any of the action on that block


            9              because it's ludicrous to delete the two


           10              bookends, two city anchor businesses.


           11                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  I have to -- I


           12              mean, not that I'm not going to vote for it,


           13              I had hoped that they could come to some


           14              kind of amicable resolution as Mrs. Evans


           15              said, there are two anchor bookends there,


           16              and I don't know if there any talks being


           17              between them and the two businesses in the


           18              city or has it just died?


           19                      MS. EVANS: I don't believe there has


           20              been any movement or we would have heard.


           21              I'm sure, that it would be good news to


           22              announce that everyone is satisfied and


           23              included.


           24                      MR. COURTRIGHT: You know, I just


           25              feel sad that businesses that have paid






            1              their taxes for all of these years through


            2              all of the bad times and now it's ended up


            3              like this.  It wasn't my intent when we


            4              first came out onto council to, and we all,


            5              Mrs. Evans and I were the only ones here at


            6              the time, we voted for this project to go


            7              forward and I just had thought, maybe névé,


            8              I don't know, that everyone would have been


            9              included in on it and it would have been


           10              good for everybody, it just hasn't turned


           11              out that way, but I'm going to vote in favor


           12              of this because I'm not going to stop the


           13              whole project here, but I still wish that


           14              something could happen.


           15                      MR. MCGOFF: Anyone else on the


           16              question?  All those in favor signify by


           17              saying aye.


           18                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           19                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           20                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           21                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?


           22                      MS. EVANS:  No.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF:  The ayes have it and so


           24              moved.


           25                      MS. GARVEY: 5-E. FOR INTRODUCTION -






            1              A RESOLUTION - AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND




            3              AND ENTER INTO A CONTRACT WITH MICHAEL J.


            4              PASONICK, JR., INC., CONSULTING ENGINEERS &


            5              SURVEYORS, 165 NORTH WILKES BARRE BOULEVARD,


            6              WILKES BARRE, PENNSYLVANIA, 18702 TO INSPECT




            8              THE 500 BLOCK OF LACKAWANNA AVENUE PROJECT




           10                      MR. MCGOFF:  At this time I'll


           11              entertain a motion that Item 5-E be


           12              introduced into it's proper committee.


           13                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.


           14                      MS. FANUCCI:  Second.


           15                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


           16              in favor signify by saying aye.


           17                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           18                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           19                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           20                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?


           21                      MS. EVANS: No.


           22                      MR. MCGOFF: The ayes have it and so


           23              moved.


           24                      MS. GARVEY: 5-F. FOR INTRODUCTION -


           25              A RESOLUTION - AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND








            2              EXECUTE AND ENTER INTO A BROWNFIELD




            4              WITH THE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL


            5              PROTECTION AGENCY (EPA) IN THE AMOUNT OF


            6              $200,000.00.  THE "PROJECT" WILL BE CALLED






            9              PENNSYLVANIA.


           10                      MR. MCGOFF:  At this time I'll


           11              entertain a motion that Item 5-F be


           12              introduced into it's proper committee.


           13                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.


           14                      MS. FANUCCI:  Second.


           15                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


           16              in favor signify by saying aye.


           17                      MS. EVANS: Aye.


           18                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           19                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           20                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           21                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           22              ayes have it and so moved.


           23                      MS. GARVEY: SIXTH ORDER.  6-A.


           24              READING BY TITLE - FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 39,


           25              2008 - AN ORDINANCE -AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR










            3              THE CITY OF SCRANTON AND OCWEN LOAN


            4              SERVICING, LLC FOR THE TRANSFER TO TITLE TO


            5              A PARCEL OF LAND COMMONLY KNOWN AS 810 HERTZ


            6              COURT TO THE CITY OF SCRANTON AND FOR


            7              ACCEPTANCE OF PAYMENT IN FULL FOR THE


            8              DEMOLITION LIEN ON SAID PROPERTY AND


            9              SATISFACTION OF THE DEMOLITION LIEN.


           10                      MR. MCGOFF: You have heard reading


           11              by title of Item 6-A, what is your pleasure?


           12                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I move that Item 6-A


           13              pass reading by title.


           14                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.


           15                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


           16              those in favor signify by saying aye.


           17                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           18                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           19                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           20                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           21                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           22              ayes have it and so moved.


           23                      MS. GARVEY: 6-B. READING BY TITLE -


           24              FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 40, 2008 - AN ORDINANCE


           25              - AUTHORIZING THE LEASE OF CERTAIN REAL








            2              THE CITY OF SCRANTON, PENNSYLVANIA (THE


            3              "AUTHORITY') PURSUANT TO A LEASE AGREEMENT;








            7              DOLLARS ($6,100,000), PURSUANT TO THE ACT OF




            9              PENNSYLVANIA, 53 PA.C.S, CHAPTERS 80-82, AS






           12              BE INCURRED UNDER THE DEBT ACT AS LEASE


           13              RENTAL DEBT TO BE EVIDENCED BY A CERTAIN






           16              BE EXECUTED BY THE AUTHORITY TO FINANCE A




           18              OR ANY OF THE FOLLOWS: (1) ACQUIRING THE






           21              THE CITY AND IN CONNECTION THEREWITH




           23              LEASE REVENUE NOTES, SERIES OF 2005; AND (2)




           25              SUCH PROJECT; BRIEFLY DESCRIBING SUCH






            1              PROJECT FOR WHICH SUCH DEBT IS TO BE






            4              TO BE A PROJECT OF THE CITY FOR WHICH LEASE










            9              REQUIRED BY SECTION 8110 OF THE LOCAL




           11              PREPARATION OF A DEBT STATEMENT AND
















           19              THE SOURCES OF PAYMENT OF SUCH GUARANTY






           22              TO THE EXECUTION AND DELIVERY OF THE






           25              OFFICERS OF THE CITY TO TAKE ALL REQUIRED,








            2              CONNECTION WITH SUCH PROJECT AND THE


            3              EXECUTION AND DELIVERY OF THE LEASE


            4              AGREEMENT AND SUBLEASE AND GUARANTY


            5              AGREEMENT; APPROVING THE FORM AND












           11              ORDINANCE; AND DECLARING SAID PROJECT




           13              OF THE RESIDENTS OF THE CITY.


           14                      MR. MCGOFF: You have heard reading


           15              by title of Item 6-B, what is your pleasure?


           16                      MS. FANUCCI: Mr. Chairman, I move


           17              that Item 6-B pass reading by title.


           18                      MS. GATELLI:  Second.


           19                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?


           20                      MS. EVANS: Yes.  I would like to


           21              respond to some of the statements that were


           22              made earlier.  First of all, with regard to


           23              or regarding the taxes of the city, yes, the


           24              property taxes are lower, significantly


           25              lower than those of the school district, and






            1              that is designed by state law.  They do not


            2              provide adequate funding for the mandates


            3              that they issue, hence, they place the


            4              burden on the homeowner, the taxpayer, and


            5              the responsibility or the financial end of


            6              it is split between the city and the school


            7              district, the city receiving the lesser


            8              amount of taxes.


            9                      On the other hand, however, we are


           10              famous for having the second large eggs wage


           11              tax in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania at


           12              3.4 percent.  The city keeps 2.4, the school


           13              district I believe receives one.  We had the


           14              opportunity to lower that wage tax last year


           15              through my budget, but that did not occur.


           16              The mayor, in fact, ran on a platform of


           17              lowering the wage tax when he first sought


           18              the office of mayor in the city and that has


           19              not happened.  The only thing that's we have


           20              seen happen has been an increase in taxes.


           21                   With regard to the bond rating that was


           22              obtained, it wasn't just a matter of the


           23              Recovery Plan back in 2003, I recall having


           24              watched those council meetings, in fact, I


           25              watched them so closely they served as the






            1              incentive for my seeking this office and


            2              replacing some of those individuals.  I


            3              remember them specifically saying they used


            4              the 2001 audit of the city because for the


            5              first time there was a very healthy audit


            6              and a $2.9 million surplus and that went a


            7              long way to helping obtain that $74 million


            8              bond issue.  The high level rating, as I


            9              indicated before, was purchased through


           10              $1 million in bond insurance which, of


           11              course, was added to the sum total of the


           12              borrowing at the time.


           13                      Now, as for refinancing you are


           14              right, you can refinance your house, I have


           15              done that, but I'll tell you what, I don't


           16              think I can refinance it four times, and I


           17              don't know that I can ask my neighbors if I


           18              can run my financial agreement through them.


           19              I would have to go and do that myself and


           20              the city is not doing that.  The city has


           21              been taking the back door here for years


           22              using city authorities and city assets in


           23              order to obtain their borrowing.


           24                      I think what's most important here


           25              though is no one mentions cuts.  Nobody.






            1              Just me.  And, you know, we have many


            2              apologists, but we don't have anybody who is


            3              really willing to do the hard thing and


            4              that's make those cuts, and it is hard after


            5              all of these years, you know, an


            6              administration getting used to certain level


            7              of operation, shall we say, but not the


            8              mayor, not anybody on council says make him


            9              cut the fat first.


           10                      As far as the tax office, those


           11              workers have always worked diligently, but


           12              they had to follow orders and some of those


           13              orders included not collecting delinquent


           14              wage and business taxes.  Today they are


           15              still working hard and they are following


           16              orders the difference is somebody else is


           17              giving the orders, and I would say the proof


           18              of that is we had employees from the tax


           19              office who were very willing to come and


           20              speak to city council last December, but


           21              Mr. McDowell stepped in and stopped that, so


           22              was he instrumental in the operations of


           23              that office?  Oh, most surely he was or we


           24              wouldn't have 12.2 million dollars in


           25              collected taxes sitting in a bank waiting to






            1              be dispersed long after he left that office.


            2                   It's money in, money out, in that


            3              office and that hasn't occurred now in the


            4              proper way until lately, and when a job is


            5              done well I think you commend the people who


            6              do it.  Just like the fact that there is


            7              going to be 17 streets paved in the City of


            8              Scranton.


            9                      MR. MCGOFF: Mrs. Evans, we are on


           10              6-B.


           11                      MS. EVANS: I know, but I just -- can


           12              you tell me who keeps turning my microphone


           13              on and off?  I'll have it on on and then it


           14              goes off and then it comes back on, but


           15              other people --


           16                      MS. GATELLI:  It must be me.  I get


           17              the blame for everything.


           18                      MS. EVANS:  No, no, you don't have


           19              the switch.  You had the switch installed


           20              when you were the president.  Actually, I


           21              think it was used a few times.


           22                      Anyway, what I would say in


           23              conclusion is that when people do a good


           24              job, like I said, it should be mentioned,


           25              and paving the streets, finally, that's a






            1              great job, I'm thrilled over that, I want to


            2              more of them paved.  I'm not going to say


            3              that's not a wonderful thing because it may


            4              be politically incorrect.  When it's good


            5              it's good, when it's bad, it's rotten at


            6              least in this city.  That's it.


            7                      MR. MCGOFF:  Anyone else on the


            8              question 6 -B?  All those in favor signify


            9              by saying aye.


           10                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           11                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           12                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?


           13                      MS. EVANS: No.


           14                      MR. COURTRIGHT: No.


           15                      MR. MCGOFF: The ayes have it and so


           16              moved.


           17                      MS. GARVEY:  6-C. READING BY TITLE -


           18              FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 41, 2008 - - AN




           20              APPROPRIATE OFFICIALS OF THE CITY OF










           25              BLOCK GRANT (CDBG) PROGRAM, HOME INVESTMENT








            2              SHELTER GRANT (ESG) PROGRAM.


            3                      MR. MCGOFF: You have heard reading


            4              by title of Item 6-A, what is your pleasure.


            5                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I move that Item 6-A


            6              pass reading by title.


            7                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.


            8                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


            9              those in favor signify by saying aye.


           10                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           11                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           12                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           13                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           14                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           15              ayes have it and so moved.


           16                      MS. GARVEY: SEVENTH ORDER.  7-A. FOR




           18              FOR ADOPTION - FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 36, 2008




           20              ACCOUNT NO. 02.229589 ENTITLED "DCNR








           24              AND NATURAL RESOURCES (DCNR) FOR SWIMMING








            1                      MR. MCGOFF: What is the


            2              recommendation of the Chairperson for the


            3              Committee on Finance?


            4                      MS. GATELLI: As Chair for the


            5              Committee on Finance, I recommend final


            6              passage of 7-A.


            7                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.


            8                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  Roll


            9              call.


           10                      MS. MAGNOTTA:  Mrs. Evans.


           11                      MS. EVANS:  Yes.


           12                      MS. MAGNOTTA:  Mrs. Gatelli.


           13                      MS. GATELLI.  Yes.


           14                      MS. MAGNOTTA:  Ms. Fanucci.


           15                      MS. FANUCCI:  Yes.


           16                      MS. MAGNOTTA:  Mr. Courtright.


           17                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Yes.


           18                      MS. MAGNOTTA:  Mr. McGoff.


           19                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes.  I hereby declare


           20              Item 7-A legally and lawfully adopted.


           21                      MS. GARVEY: 7-B. FOR CONSIDERATION


           22              BY THE COMMITTEE ON RULES - FOR ADOPTION -


           23              FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 28,2008 - AUTHORIZING












            2              AS MOR PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED ON THE


            3              ATTACHED MAPS.


            4                      MR. MCGOFF: As the Chairperson for


            5              the Committee on Rules, I recommend final


            6              passage of Item 7-B.


            7                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.


            8                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?  Roll


            9              call, please.


           10                      MS. MAGNOTTA:  Mrs. Evans.


           11                      MS. EVANS:  Yes.


           12                      MS. MAGNOTTA:  Mrs. Gatelli.


           13                      MS. GATELLI.  Yes.


           14                      MS. MAGNOTTA:  Ms. Fanucci.


           15                      MS. FANUCCI:  Yes.


           16                      MS. MAGNOTTA:  Mr. Courtright.


           17                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Yes.


           18                      MS. MAGNOTTA:  Mr. McGoff.


           19                      MR. MCGOFF: I hereby declare Item


           20              7-B legally and lawfully adopted.


           21                      MS. GARVEY: 7-C. FOR CONSIDERATION


           22              BY THE COMMITTEE ON PUBLIC SAFETY - FOR


           23              ADOPTION - FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 58, 2008










            1              AND SWETLAND STREET AS A RESULT OF THE




            3              COMMONS PROJECT.


            4                      MR. MCGOFF: What is the


            5              recommendation of the Chairperson for the


            6              Chairperson for the Committee on Public


            7              Safety?


            8                      MR. COURTRIGHT: As Chairperson for


            9              the Committee on Public Safety, I recommend


           10              final passage of Item 7-C.


           11                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.


           12                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  Roll


           13              call, please.


           14                      MS. MAGNOTTA:  Mrs. Evans.


           15                      MS. EVANS:  Yes.


           16                      MS. MAGNOTTA:  Mrs. Gatelli.


           17                      MS. GATELLI.  Yes.


           18                      MS. MAGNOTTA:  Ms. Fanucci.


           19                      MS. FANUCCI:  Yes.


           20                      MS. MAGNOTTA:  Mr. Courtright.


           21                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Yes.


           22                      MS. MAGNOTTA:  Mr. McGoff.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes.  I hereby declare


           24              Item 7-C legally and lawfully adopted.


           25                      MS. GARVEY: 7-D. FOR CONSIDERATION






            1              BY THE COMMITTEE ON RULES - FOR ADOPTION


            2              -RESOLUTION NO. 59, 2008 - REAPPOINTMENT OF


            3              NANCY D. BISIGNANI, 1200 PINE STREET,


            4              SCRANTON, PENNSYLVANIA, 18510, AS A MEMBER




            6              MS. BISIGNANI'S TERM EXPIRED ON OCTOBER 11,


            7              2007 AND HER NEW TERM WILL EXPIRE ON OCTOBER


            8              11, 2012.


            9                      MR. MCGOFF: As Chairperson for the


           10              Committee on Rules, I recommend final


           11              passage of Item 7-D.


           12                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Second.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question.  Roll


           14              call, please.


           15                      MS. MAGNOTTA:  Mrs. Evans.


           16                      MS. EVANS:  Yes.


           17                      MS. MAGNOTTA:  Mrs. Gatelli.


           18                      MS. GATELLI.  Yes.


           19                      MS. MAGNOTTA:  Ms. Fanucci.


           20                      MS. FANUCCI:  Yes.


           21                      MS. MAGNOTTA:  Mr. Courtright.


           22                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Yes.


           23                      MS. MAGNOTTA:  Mr. McGoff.


           24                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes.  I hereby declare


           25              Item 7-D legally and lawfully adopted.






            1                      MS. GARVEY:  7-E. FOR CONSIDERATION


            2              BY THE COMMITTEE ON RULES - FOR ADOPTION -


            3              RESOLUTION NO. 60, 2008 - REAPPOINTMENT OF


            4              JOHN MOORE, 315 THIRTEENTH AVENUE, SCRANTON,


            5              PENNSYLVANIA, 18504, AS CHAIRMAN OF THE




            7              MOORE'S TERM EXPIRED ON OCTOBER 11, 2007 AND


            8              HIS NEW TERM WILL EXPIRE ON OCTOBER 11,


            9              2012.


           10                      MR. MCGOFF: As Chairperson for the


           11              Committee on Rules, I recommend final


           12              passage of Item 7-E.


           13                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.


           14                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question.  Roll


           15              call, please.


           16                      MS. MAGNOTTA:  Mrs. Evans.


           17                      MS. EVANS:  Yes.


           18                      MS. MAGNOTTA:  Mrs. Gatelli.


           19                      MS. GATELLI.  Yes.


           20                      MS. MAGNOTTA:  Ms. Fanucci.


           21                      MS. FANUCCI:  Yes.


           22                      MS. MAGNOTTA:  Mr. Courtright.


           23                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Yes.


           24                      MS. MAGNOTTA:  Mr. McGoff.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes.  I hereby declare






            1              7-E legally and lawfully adopted.


            2                      MS. GARVEY: 7-F. FOR CONSIDERATION


            3              BY THE COMMITTEE ON RULES - FOR ADOPTION -


            4              RESOLUTION NO. 61, 2008 - REAPPOINTMENT OF


            5              ELLA RAYBURN, 934 NORTH WEBSITE AVENUE,


            6              SCRANTON, PENNSYLVANIA, 18510, AS A MEMBER




            8              MS. RAYBURN'S TERM EXPIRED ON OCTOBER 11,


            9              2006 AND HER TERM WILL EXPIRE ON OCTOBER 11,


           10              2011.


           11                      MR. MCGOFF: As Chairperson for the


           12              Committee on Rules, I recommend final


           13              passage of Item 7-F.


           14                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.


           15                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  Roll


           16              call, please.


           17                      MS. MAGNOTTA:  Mrs. Evans.


           18                      MS. EVANS:  Yes.


           19                      MS. MAGNOTTA:  Mrs. Gatelli.


           20                      MS. GATELLI.  Yes.


           21                      MS. MAGNOTTA:  Ms. Fanucci.


           22                      MS. FANUCCI:  Yes.


           23                      MS. MAGNOTTA:  Mr. Courtright.


           24                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Yes.


           25                      MS. MAGNOTTA:  Mr. McGoff.






            1                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes.  I hereby declare


            2              Item 7-F legally and lawfully adopted.  We


            3              do have someone small item before we leave,


            4              I make a motion to forward the petition in


            5              Third Order, which would be 3-C, to the


            6              Director of DPW and engineer for their


            7              review.


            8                      MS. GATELLI:  Second.


            9                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


           10              in favor signify by saying aye.


           11                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           12                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           13                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           14                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           15                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed? The ayes


           16              have it and so moved.  Motion to adjourn?


           17                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.
























            2                      C E R T I F I C A T E




            4        I hereby certify that the proceedings and


            5   evidence are contained fully and accurately in the


            6   notes of testimony taken by me at the hearing of the


            7   above-captioned matter and that the foregoing is a true


            8   and correct transcript of the same to the best of my


            9   ability.







                                    CATHENE S. NARDOZZI, RPR

           13                       OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER