1              SCRANTON CITY COUNCIL MEETING








            5                          HELD:




            7                   Tuesday, July 29, 2008




            9                        LOCATION:


           10                    Council Chambers


           11                 Scranton City Hall


           12              340 North Washington Avenue


           13                Scranton, Pennsylvania









































                (Not Present)


                MS. JANET E. EVANS



            9   MS. SHERRY FANUCCI

                (Not Present)


                MR. WILLIAM COURTRIGHT



           12   MS. KAY GARVEY, CITY CLERK






           15   MR. AMIL MINORA, SOLICITOR


























            1                      (Pledge of Allegiance recited and


            2              moment of reflection observed.)


            3                      MR. MCGOFF:  Roll call.


            4                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.


            5                      MS. EVANS:  Here.


            6                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Gatelli.


            7                      MS. GATELLI.  (Not present.)


            8                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.


            9                      MS. FANUCCI:  (Not present.)


           10                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. Courtright.


           11                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Here.


           12                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF:  Here.  Dispense with


           14              the reading of the minutes.  For the record,


           15              Mrs. Gatelli informed us that she will not


           16              be attending today's meeting and also


           17              Mrs. Fanucci will not be in attendance.  She


           18              was here, but her daughter -- there was a


           19              family emergency and she will not be here


           20              either.


           21                      As a result of that I would like to


           22              make a motion at this time to appoint Mrs.


           23              Evans as temporary chair for finance.


           24                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All






            1              in favor?


            2                      MS. EVANS: Aye.


            3                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.


            4                      MR. MCGOFF: Aye.  Opposed?  The ayes


            5              have it.  Also I would like to make a motion


            6              to temporary appointment for community


            7              development, Mr. Courtright, as temporary


            8              chair for community development.


            9                      MS. EVANS: Second.


           10                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


           11              in favor?


           12                      MS. EVANS: Aye.


           13                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.


           14                      MR. MCGOFF: Aye.  Opposed?  The ayes


           15              have it and so moved.  Thank you.


           16                      MS. GARVEY: THIRD ORDER.  3-A.




           18              BOARD MEETING HELD ON JUNE 25, 2008.


           19                      MR. MCGOFF: Are there any comments?


           20              If not, received and filed.


           21                      MS. GARVEY: 3-B. AGENDA FOR THE




           23              TO BE HELD ON JULY 23, 2008.


           24                      MR. MCGOFF: Are there any comments?


           25              If not, received and filed.






            1                      MS. GARVEY: 3-C. MINUTES OF THE


            2              SCRANTON-LACKAWANNA HEALTH & WELFARE


            3              AUTHORITY BOARD MEETING GELD ON JUNE 19,


            4              2008.


            5                      MR. MCGOFF: Are there any comments?


            6              If not, received and filed.


            7                      MS. GARVEY: 3-D. MINUTES OF THE




            9              MAY 28, 2008.


           10                      MR. MCGOFF: Are there any comments?


           11              If not, received and filed.


           12                      MS. GARVEY: 3-E. MINUTES OF THE




           14              JUNE 25, 2008.


           15                      MR. MCGOFF: Are there any comments?


           16              If not, received and filed.


           17                      MS. GARVEY: 3-F. MINUTES OF THE




           19              25, 2008.


           20                      MR. MCGOFF: Are there any comments?


           21              If not, received and filed.


           22                      MS. GARVEY: That's it for third


           23              order.


           24                      MR. MCGOFF:  Thank you.  Any


           25              announcements?






            1                      MS. EVANS: Yes.  The Scranton Police


            2              Department is sponsoring it's Sixth Annual


            3              National Night out On August 5, 2008, at the


            4              Tripp Park Complex on Dorothy Street from 6


            5              to 10 p.m. National Night Out is a crime


            6              prevention event which promotes police


            7              partnerships.  I hope to see many of you


            8              there, however, if you are unable to attend


            9              you are asked to lock your doors, turn on


           10              outside lights and spend the evening outside


           11              with neighbors and police in recognition of


           12              this nationwide event.


           13                      St. Lucy's annual church picnic will


           14              be conducted on the church grounds in West


           15              Scranton from August 4 through August 9.


           16              This event offers great food, games and fun


           17              for all ages.


           18                      Last evening I attended a meeting of


           19              Minooka residents regarding improvements to


           20              the William Barrett park and playground.


           21              The meeting was organized by school director


           22              Chris Phillips, and was also attended by the


           23              mayor.  Residents presented us with a list


           24              of improvements they would like to see


           25              occur.  Although $100,000 was allocated in






            1              2002 for this project, the money was spent


            2              elsewhere.


            3                      As a result, the mayor will put


            4              $100,000 of new money into the budget for


            5              this worthy and long overdue project.  In


            6              three week's time the basketball court will


            7              be removed, more trees will be trimmed and


            8              temporary lighting will be installed.


            9              Scranton police will also be assigned to


           10              patrol the area when the court is removed,


           11              that is according to the mayor.


           12                      In addition, graffiti removal


           13              equipment was purchased by the city and is


           14              available for use throughout our city parks.


           15              The Barrett Park project is tentatively due


           16              to begin construction in the Spring of 2009,


           17              and that's all I have.


           18                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.


           19              Mr. Courtright?  Citizens' participation.


           20              Andy Sbaraglia.


           21                      MR. SBARAGLIA: Andy Sbaraglia,


           22              citizen of Scranton.  Fellow Scrantonians,


           23              as you know I like to comment on actually


           24              the agenda and today I will do the same.  I


           25              want to comment on 3-C on the agenda,






            1              minutes of the Scranton/Lackawanna County


            2              Health and Welfare Authority board meeting


            3              held on June 19, 2008, and here it says:


            4              "Lackawanna County College update:  Attorney


            5              Durkin advised that the board at the


            6              5:00 p.m. meeting TEFRA meeting convened and


            7              will run concurrent with the regular


            8              meeting.  This project is moving along


            9              nicely.  This project as a resolution for


           10              the county has been approved and returned.


           11              The resolution for the city has been


           12              introduced at the city council meeting on


           13              June 17 and will be approved hopefully at


           14              the next meeting on June 24.  The signing


           15              copy should be available by the end of June.


           16              Mr. Durkin asked if everything was included


           17              this and Mr. Judge indicated, yes, and hoped


           18              to close on or before August 1, 2008."


           19                      This meeting was held, and as you


           20              know in your original legislation it called


           21              for a public hearing.  Apparently the public


           22              hearing was held on June 19 long before you


           23              even approved it or before anybody in the


           24              city could go out and get any information on


           25              this project.  If you remember the original






            1              legislation, they wanted to borrow money for


            2              everything but painting the green line down


            3              the street.  I just wondered if money was


            4              even being borrowed to buy Midtown


            5              apartments.  All these should have been held


            6              at a public meeting.  Apparently, they


            7              didn't want a public meeting, they held the


            8              public meeting long before the people of


            9              Scranton were even informed of what was


           10              going on.


           11                      What's wrong with this system?  Why


           12              do you put the cart before the horse?  It


           13              doesn't make sense, it never made sense and


           14              it will never make sense.  All it does is


           15              create a cloud, and that's all we have in


           16              this city, clouds over everything.  We had a


           17              cloud over the tax office, we got clouds


           18              over the administration, we got clouds over


           19              the police department, fire department,


           20              every department within the city there is a


           21              cloud over it.  What's wrong with the system


           22              where you don't inform the public in a


           23              timely manner so they could put input into a


           24              project?


           25                      Some people can care less.  I guess






            1              most of the people can care less and most of


            2              the legislation that's passed you could care


            3              less.  You don't look at anything beyond


            4              what's in front of your noses.


            5                      I attended a meeting where they said


            6              maybe 30 firemen would be laid off, that's


            7              saving about two million or something like


            8              that, how true it is, I don't know, but I do


            9              know one thing, you have to look a lot


           10              further than the $2 million if that would be


           11              a saving.  For one thing you have to look at


           12              our fire insurance is going to go up.  Less


           13              firemen maybe we fall into a different


           14              bracket and our insurance can go up, and I


           15              was told many, many times when you give


           16              money, allocate money to all of these


           17              projects you tell me that, well, $1 in


           18              public funds usually generates $3 in input


           19              on the trickling effect.  What would happen


           20              if you take $2 million out of the local


           21              economy, what would that do?  Are we going


           22              to have more homes for sale?  Are we going


           23              to have more people that are put out in the


           24              streets?  How are we going to make up that


           25              $2 million because they pay taxes, so when






            1              you start deducting what's going on with the


            2              taxes and so forth and so on money generated


            3              for homes that they may be forced out,


            4              increased fire insurance and what have you


            5              plus a trickle down effect, is it a good


            6              idea to lay off 37 firemen or 30 firemen or


            7              whatever thinking that you are going to get


            8              a $2 million cost instead you only may get


            9              $100,000 cost savings?


           10                      This administration doesn't look at


           11              anything, anything you ever see coming for


           12              them you know they don't look at anything.


           13              All you have to do is look at your nose and


           14              look in the mirror and see yourself.  It


           15              just isn't there.  You got to look further


           16              out on whatever you do and whatever you vote


           17              on.  We heading into very trouble times.


           18              People that can't make their payments on the


           19              first of April if they are in delinquency


           20              look at what's being imposed on them and


           21              what can be imposed on them.  I thank you.


           22                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you,


           23              Mr. Sbaraglia.  Mr. Quinn.


           24                      MR. QUINN:  Ozzie Quinn, Taxpayers'


           25              Association.  Yes, the first thing I would






            1              like to address is the reports and


            2              communications, you are receiving a report


            3              from the Single Tax Office what's not being


            4              done under the McDowell administration, have


            5              you been receiving these reports?  I never


            6              see anything in this saying that you have


            7              received reports which is one of the ways


            8              that you are going to be the watchdog of


            9              what's going on down there.  Have you been


           10              receiving these reports?


           11                      MR. MCGOFF: I'm sorry?


           12                      MS. EVANS: Yes.


           13                      MR. QUINN: You have, okay.  Thank


           14              you.  The second thing I want to talk about


           15              is the Recovery Plan and last week we had a


           16              Lieutenant David Gervasi address our group


           17              and he spoke about the Recovery Plan and


           18              it's not a finished deal as it was reported,


           19              and there is concern and one of my concerns


           20              is the fact that if you do eliminate "X"


           21              amount of firemen, 36 to 38 or whatever they


           22              do, I'm concerned about one other thing is


           23              the fact that there is a spin off effect


           24              with the fire department with the department


           25              boroughs such as Dunmore and I'm just






            1              wondering if a fire was started in Dunmore


            2              would we be able to help them in the future,


            3              that's one of my concerns, and as Andy said,


            4              I don't know if anybody has looked into that


            5              because a lot of people don't look farther


            6              than their nose.


            7                      Okay, and now we have like August


            8              coming up, but I'm asking you people please


            9              for the taxpayers to please contemplate on


           10              the Doherty debt.  Mrs. Evans, since you are


           11              the finance chairperson temporary, I'm


           12              very -- we are very concerned about the fact


           13              that there is a $5.5 million payoff debt in


           14              December, we are going to borrow for that,


           15              and we don't know how much more we are going


           16              to have to borrow for the 2008 operating


           17              budget to balance that and we are concerned


           18              about the fact that cumulatively when we


           19              look at thumb are talking $11 million you


           20              don't know how much you are going to get


           21              from the Single Tax Office and you got to


           22              look at -- when you look at the big picture,


           23              again, you look at the school board they are


           24              principal $185 million in debt and they are


           25              negotiating with two unions right now, so






            1              and they passed a resolution that they could


            2              increase our taxes in 2009 up to


            3              6.4 percent.  The county is $207,000,000 in


            4              debt principal, we are not looking at long-


            5              term and the 2006 budget we still have the


            6              2007 budget, do we, Mrs. Evans?  Have we


            7              received the 2007 budget yet?


            8                      MS. EVANS: You mean the audit?


            9                      MR. QUINN:  The audit, sorry.


           10                      MS. EVANS: No, we haven't received


           11              that as of yet.


           12                      MR. QUINN:  And that was due in May.


           13                      MS. EVANS: Yes.


           14                      MR. QUINN:  So, we don't know what


           15              the debt of the city is.


           16                      MS. EVANS: Correct.


           17                      MR. QUINN:  So we are talking maybe


           18              a half a billion dollars in principal, you


           19              know, and it scares me, it really scares me.


           20              You know, especially with the fact that we


           21              had, you know, again, I always say we have a


           22              median income in this area, it's very low.


           23              The unemployment if you saw this morning


           24              it's 5.9 percent, the second lowest in the


           25              state, the second highest in the state, and






            1              you bring in the high cost of living right


            2              now, utilities and whatnot, and we are going


            3              to have a tough time when you are looking at


            4              meeting bills in January and receiving that


            5              tax bill you people who are looking at the


            6              revenue side of bringing this money, whether


            7              it's from the treasurer's department or


            8              what, I just see that a lot of people are


            9              going to hold back on paying their taxes and


           10              it concerns me.


           11                      The last thing I want to talk about


           12              is the fact that it appears that we have a


           13              Home Rule Charter that was mandated by the


           14              people, okay, and it's a law I understand,


           15              right?  We also have ordinances adopted yet


           16              I have pointed out and continue to point out


           17              that this administration is circumventing


           18              many times the Home Rule Charter and the


           19              ordinances.


           20                      I urge you to please anything that


           21              comes before the city council in the future,


           22              I don't know if you listen to me because not


           23              many people do, to please look at these


           24              resolutions or ordinances or anything that's


           25              been expended that you may know of if it's






            1              in violation of anything.  We know, we saw a


            2              case in point was the fact of the mayor


            3              giving that $10,000 to East Scranton


            4              Business Association which in turn laundered


            5              it over to ECTV and that was in violation of


            6              the ordinance.  There is no doubt about it,


            7              you don't have to be a lawyer to know that.


            8              Thank you very much.


            9                      MS. EVANS: Mr. Quinn?


           10                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.


           11                      MS. EVANS: I'm sorry, if I could


           12              just clarify two things quickly, first of


           13              all, council does receive the minutes of


           14              meetings of commissions, boards, and


           15              authorities, but generally that would occur


           16              approximately a week before they would be


           17              presented for our approval at city council,


           18              so to the point that was made by


           19              Mr. Sbaraglia we wouldn't have received the


           20              minutes of that commission concerning a


           21              public hearing until about a week ago.  So,


           22              again, that would have occurred without our


           23              having known.


           24                      Secondly, I, too, am concerned about


           25              the borrowing.  The legislation was due to






            1              come before council in June, but it has not


            2              been presented and I'm beginning to wonder


            3              if perhaps there might have been problems


            4              obtaining bond insurance or there may have


            5              been problems with the borrowing itself in


            6              the sense that, you know, the city is


            7              overextended and our bond rating has


            8              plummeted, but also the bond market right


            9              now is in serious trouble as well, so I


           10              think when you combine those two entities


           11              that might have explain why the legislation


           12              has not yet been presented.


           13                      MR. QUINN: Okay, thank you, and to


           14              follow up with that, I have never seen


           15              anything yet in regards to the Single Tax


           16              Office on any of these reports and that's


           17              why I question that, okay?


           18                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.


           19                      MR. QUINN:  And the other thing is


           20              this here is the fact that she mentioned


           21              about, and I mentioned previously and she


           22              brought it up and I have to say, the fact


           23              that that audit, I don't know how you can


           24              borrow anymore money without that audit --


           25                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr. Quinn.






            1                      MR. QUINN: -- in your hands.


            2                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.  Mr. Gilroy?


            3                      MR. GILROY:  Before I start to speak


            4              I have some pictures.


            5                      MR. MCGOFF: Could you please just


            6              state your name for the record.


            7                      MR. GILROY:  Rich Gilroy, Scranton


            8              resident.  I have some pictures before I


            9              start to speak, would you care to look at


           10              them?


           11                      MR. MCGOFF: Bring them up, please.


           12              Thank you.


           13                      MR. GILROY:  Can I start speaking


           14              now?  I'm here, I was here four times in


           15              regard to those garbage dumpsters,


           16              commercial, Village Park Apartments, there


           17              is still no lids on them, there is still


           18              birds flying and bird droppings all over the


           19              place, cats, skunks and they smell.  The


           20              vendor never changes them and we have been


           21              for a whole year.  My mom has been trying to


           22              get something done about that and there is


           23              still nothing done about it.  And I also I


           24              want to know about the fireworks, I brought


           25              the fireworks, them illegal fireworks with






            1              me here last week, those rocket launchers


            2              that were shot at my mom's siding, burnt the


            3              fan, the exhaust fan on it and singed the


            4              steps and I was almost hit in the face with


            5              one of them.  I mean, they are illegal.  Why


            6              are they -- if there is supposed to be


            7              security at that Village Park Apartments,


            8              which there isn't, those fireworks would


            9              have never been shot off, but they were.  It


           10              was like a regular fireworks display at a


           11              stadium what they did and they are still


           12              shooting M-80's off, what is it, three weeks


           13              past the Fourth of July, still M-80's


           14              shooting them off and they are illegal, too.


           15                   And getting back to those dumpsters, is


           16              there an ordinance about picking garbage up


           17              like 4:00 in the morning?  Sometimes that


           18              driver picks the garbage up at 4:00 in the


           19              morning, 4:00 or 4:30, and that shouldn't


           20              be, wakes you right out of your sleep, and


           21              if you look at those pictures those


           22              dumpsters are not equipped to handle all of


           23              that garbage.  The garbage is laying all


           24              over the ground, I mean, it's a disgrace we


           25              have to look at there.






            1                      I mean, there is drug dealing going


            2              on there.  Like I said the last week when I


            3              was there, back in '99 our road was blocked


            4              off for a year with a concrete barricade and


            5              the drug dealing is still going on.  We


            6              never forgot what happened in '99.  I mean,


            7              sir, all you have to do is go up and check


            8              with the neighbors and find out about that


            9              housing development and they will tell you


           10              how bad it is, it's bad.  Make a meeting


           11              with the neighbors up there and you will


           12              find out about it.


           13                      And about the those are other


           14              pictures about two blighted houses 106 and


           15              108.  The one the shed was all busted on the


           16              side and there was skunks and everything


           17              living under there, the shed is repaired,


           18              but the grass, the grass is over a foot and


           19              a half high in back of the fence, the fence


           20              is all busted, all rusted, I mean, the two


           21              properties, the city inspector was always


           22              there, there was always a problem with it.


           23                   And at the one house there was a drug


           24              house in '05 which we had to hire a lawyer


           25              because he couldn't get -- there were






            1              pitbull dogs and they would attack you.


            2                      So, I mean, I would like it answer


            3              about those dumpsters though what she


            4              intends to do about it, and when I was here


            5              last week my mom received a phone call from


            6              this park manager screaming at my mom on the


            7              phone, it's a wonder she didn't have a heart


            8              attack.  She called her like 5:00 in the


            9              evening and she was really screaming at her.


           10              I mean, I have every right in the world to


           11              come here.  We got problems up there.  I


           12              mean, this is a free country, it's freedom


           13              of speech.  Why if there is something wrong


           14              then why can't I come here and speak about


           15              it.


           16                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Would you like me


           17              to answer you?


           18                      MR. GILROY:  Yes.


           19                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  The dumpsters, the


           20              woman that runs the place called me and the


           21              dumpsters, the lids have been ordered for


           22              them, all right, that was maybe Thursday she


           23              called me I believe.  I spoke to the police


           24              department, Townhouse, I call it Townhouse,


           25              what is it, Village Park, they have






            1              requested officers on Wednesdays, Thursdays,


            2              Fridays and Saturdays, two officers, so the


            3              police are telling me, yeah, they are there.


            4              I think where we have gotten into a problem


            5              I received a letter from Village Park


            6              apartments maybe we are not going be able to


            7              intervene anymore, they have got a written


            8              request from Village Park Administration


            9              from the residents, there's about 30 names


           10              on this, filing a complaint against you, so


           11              Village Park now is considering going to


           12              their attorney to file against you and once


           13              a lawsuit is generates, and I checked with


           14              Mr. Minora, I think we have to back out of


           15              it now.


           16                      MR. GILROY:  Mr. Courtright, my mom


           17              was advised to file a civil lawsuit, so much


           18              happened, even a guy exposed himself.


           19                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I understand, but --


           20                      MR. GILROY:  Please let me finish.


           21              One of the tenants that are living there he


           22              is staying at that house, and this happened


           23              last year, there was numerous police reports


           24              filed about this person and she had a


           25              serious offense, too, and she shouldn't even






            1              be living there and that housing development


            2              is government funded by HUD.  So, I mean,


            3              and we could get all of the neighbors though


            4              with the drugs and everything, we are the


            5              ones that should have the petitions, not the


            6              neighbors that live there for what we have


            7              to put up living there.  We are the ones


            8              that should have the petition.


            9                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I understand, I'm


           10              not saying that your problems aren't -- -


           11                      MR. GILROY:  Please let me finish.


           12                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Okay.


           13                      MR. GILROY:  All you have to do if


           14              you want to meet with the homeowners, come


           15              up and meet with us and we'll let you know,


           16              we'll let you know what kind of a place it


           17              is and we will sign a petition against this


           18              place.  We are the ones that should sign the


           19              petition not the people that are living


           20              there.  My mother is putting up with hell


           21              living there.  We are the ones that should


           22              have the petition.  That's not right.


           23                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  I'm not saying that


           24              your problems aren't legitimate, I'm saying


           25              once legal action takes place then --






            1                      MR. GILROY:  Can I just finish?


            2              Even my mom's home was damaged with


            3              fireworks.  It's a disgrace and nothing has


            4              been done about it.  Thank you.


            5                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Just for the record,


            6              I'm not saying that this gentleman's -- I'm


            7              not -- I can't speak directly to you now


            8              because your time is up, I'm not saying this


            9              gentleman's accusations aren't true or are


           10              true, what I'm saying is if legal action


           11              takes place then we are out of the loop, we


           12              can't step in.  I consulted with Mr. Minora


           13              about that, you have every right to file


           14              your own suit, but if they file one and you


           15              file one I think we are pretty much taken


           16              out of the loop then.


           17                      MR. GILROY:  Well, you know, can I


           18              say one thing, meet with the neighbors,


           19              that's all.


           20                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.


           21                      MR. GILROY:  Talk with us and we


           22              will get a petition, we will file a civil


           23              lawsuit against them.


           24                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.  Nancy Krake.


           25                      MS. KRAKE: Good morning, Council.  I






            1              had some questions for Mrs. Gatelli this


            2              morning even though she is not here and


            3              Mr. Quinn mentioned them, I feel they bear


            4              repeating.  Mrs. Gatelli, the finance chair,


            5              I would hope she would be wondering also


            6              what's happened to the legislation that


            7              would have allowed the 11 million in


            8              borrowing.  I believe it was part of the


            9              2008 budget and it was supposed to happen in


           10              June, so I had all of those questions for


           11              her.  Perhaps she can study up and after the


           12              break we will get some answers.


           13                      Also, I would like to answer some of


           14              the remarks she made last week.


           15              Mrs. Gatelli, Mr. McGoff and Mrs. Fanucci


           16              voted not once, but twice for the outrageous


           17              penalties and fines on delinquent real


           18              estate taxes.  Mrs. Evans and Mr. Courtright


           19              tried to amend that, they voted it down.  I


           20              would like to remind everyone that all of


           21              that money goes to Abrahamsen, Moran and


           22              Conaboy, a law firm that also owns Northeast


           23              Credit and Collection.  Apparently


           24              Mrs. Gatelli, Mr. McGoff and Mrs. Fanucci


           25              feel that this law firm is well deserving of






            1              our hard-earned tax dollars.  That money


            2              that's collected by the law firm does not


            3              add a penny to the city coffers for anything


            4              we night need, public safety, road


            5              maintenance or any services.


            6                      Mrs. Gatelli is proud she voted


            7              twice for this legislation since it affects


            8              absentee landlords, not worried about all of


            9              the people who live here and couldn't pay


           10              the tax to begin with, never mind up to


           11              thousands of dollars in added fines which go


           12              to Abrahamsen, Moran and Conaboy.


           13                      Also, it wasn't mentioned about


           14              people who were helped with their taxes --


           15              or, excuse me, it was mentioned by her.  She


           16              also relayed back to us that she helps some


           17              folks.  I'm assuming this means removing


           18              penalties and fines.  I am in total


           19              agreement with that policy, in fact, I think


           20              everyone should enjoy help with their taxes.


           21              So, once again, I'm asking that this


           22              legislation being rescinded.


           23                      Mr. Quinn made an excellent point,


           24              this is very trying economic times that we


           25              are living in.  There is no need for three






            1              people on council and a mayor to hurt people


            2              even more than they are already hurting.  I


            3              don't think that this legislation will be


            4              rescinded, but I'm asking anyway or maybe


            5              we'll continue to do political favors for


            6              the few while the rest carry the burden of


            7              full payment.  Thank you.


            8                      MS. EVANS: Mrs. Krake, you had been


            9              requesting at several previous meetings


           10              information concerning that and exactly what


           11              the amounts were --


           12                      MS. KRAKE: Yes.


           13                      MS. EVANS: -- that were going to


           14              Abrahamsen and Company, I have a copy of the


           15              letter that was sent and the response


           16              received and I'm going to ask that you would


           17              read this over and if this is not respond to


           18              you in the specific manner that you have


           19              requested --


           20                      MS. KRAKE: Yes.


           21                      MS. EVANS: -- would you please jot


           22              down on this for me exactly what else it is


           23              you seeking and I'll resubmit a letter


           24              looking for those exact figures for you.


           25                      MS. KRAKE: Thank you very much.






            1                      MS. EVANS: You are welcome.


            2                      MR. MCGOFF: Mike Dudek.


            3                      MR. DUDEK:  My name is Mike Dudek,


            4              608 Depot Street, Scranton, PA, I live down


            5              in the Plot.  Last week I read in the


            6              newspapers that Attorney Solfanelli filed on


            7              behalf of Ken McDowell, the former tax


            8              collector, a rather unusual document,


            9              apparently, they are going to fight the


           10              subpoena that he had been served with, with


           11              a rather unusual legal doctrine that since


           12              he was elected by the people of the tax


           13              collector that he not answerable to them in


           14              some way.


           15                      Just for your information, it's my


           16              legal belief that as a custodian of the tax


           17              money he collects for your benefit, and part


           18              of your benefit is you have to try to make a


           19              budget, you or the mayor or the both of you


           20              try to make a budget you have to know how


           21              much money you have in your coffers, and if


           22              Mr. McDowell is holding back 7 or 9 or


           23              12 million dollars then you obviously have a


           24              means of finding out what's going on and


           25              getting that money and that means as a






            1              subpoena, and he has to answer to it.  So,


            2              as to that legal theory that's going to go


            3              by the boards and that's -- and eventually


            4              he is going to appear before you.


            5                      When this meeting occurs I am making


            6              a very strong suggestion to the five members


            7              of city council.  My suggestion is that you


            8              not ask him any questions yourselves


            9              personally, prepare your questions and give


           10              them to your solicitor and let your


           11              solicitor handle the questions.  Why?


           12              Because Mr. McDowell raised the stakes when


           13              he decided he wanted to put this through a


           14              legal process.  He wanted to deal with


           15              lawyers?  Okay, let's let him deal with one


           16              of the best prosecutors this town has ever


           17              produced and he may have forgotten that


           18              Mr. Minora is a prosecutor.  Mr. Minora


           19              knows how to frame questions and he knows


           20              how to get answers.


           21                      Many cases in this country, whether


           22              it's a city council or congress, a


           23              legislative body, in a technical matter such


           24              as something like this, tax money, will get


           25              a professional to do the questioning and you






            1              have the professional sitting right there to


            2              your right.  Let Mr. Minora frame the


            3              questions, submit your questions to


            4              Mr. Minora.  If I were sitting at city


            5              council, if I were one of the councilman,


            6              oh, man, I would love to want to question


            7              Mr. McDowell myself, but I myself wouldn't


            8              do it.  I would submit my questions to the


            9              solicitor and let the solicitor do his job


           10              on this.


           11                      Mr. McDowell wants to raise the


           12              stakes.  He didn't want to the informal sit


           13              down to exchange information to help you get


           14              it he decided he wants this legal process.


           15              For some reason he wants to deal with


           16              Mr. Minora and I say let's let it happen.


           17              Thank you.


           18                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr. Dudek.


           19              Brett McCloe.


           20                      MR. MCCLOE:  Good morning.  My name


           21              is Brett McCloe, I'm a Scranton taxpayer,


           22              homeowner.  I just wanted to say a couple of


           23              things before you guys go on your little


           24              vacation or your little time off, I hope


           25              your days of vacation actually find you






            1              closer to the problems that face the average


            2              citizen of this city, closer to the


            3              solutions without the use of a carefully


            4              scripted manual or state sponsored program.


            5              Closer to kitchen table logic and the


            6              abandonment of ideology that quite often


            7              skews the vision of those who are in power.


            8              I hope that many will get on a city bus and


            9              go to neighborhoods you wouldn't ordinarily


           10              go to, seek out and engage dialogue with


           11              your perceived detractors.  Your leadership


           12              skills are not required and will most likely


           13              hindering you from seeking out and truly


           14              following the will of the people.  I just


           15              hope that you enjoy your vacations.  Thank


           16              you.


           17                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr. McCloe.


           18              David Dobson.


           19                      MR. DOBSON: Good morning, Council,


           20              Dave Dobson, resident of Scranton.  I would


           21              also like to comment on our ongoing


           22              differences between the city government and


           23              firemen and police contracts, they should


           24              just be settled already, it's six years,


           25              it's ashame that it's gotten this far and






            1              from what I have been made aware of and


            2              suspected before then on my own


            3              considerations we may have a huge insurance


            4              increase when we are reviewed by the


            5              industry on our insurability on fire and so


            6              forth and it may not even be worth 50 bucks


            7              or something that it might cost us on taxes.


            8              Otherwise, there is -- there should be


            9              plenty of money there to settle with these


           10              people and it's ashame that a Democrat town


           11              has so much trouble with the labor union, I


           12              can't imagine the problem.


           13                      Now, on 6-A I would like to


           14              compliment Council on this motion.  Citizens


           15              have become acutely of aware of five tax


           16              bodies and not knowing who to complain to or


           17              about.  We should only be compelled on a


           18              criminal basis to answer to state and


           19              federal law uniform widely known and


           20              hopefully obey.  That's the last I'll say on


           21              that matter.


           22                      On swim and issues like Channel 61,


           23              and this is a before vacation wrap-up,


           24              another situation that have become


           25              contentious at times and that's why






            1              democratic principals such as referendums by


            2              citizens applied, the decisions of the few


            3              can hurt many and cause hard feelings often


            4              long after the fact.


            5                      In the future, I feel that we should


            6              possibly have referendums as to whether a


            7              pool should be a pay only or whatever and


            8              these people from the Hill Section should


            9              have some kind of additional identification


           10              that they could get in and possibly swim for


           11              free.  If they want to restrict the sliding


           12              board then let them restrict the sliding


           13              board, but to have an eight or ten-year-old


           14              kid just the bus fare for him to get back


           15              and forth across town, him or her, would be


           16              in excess of what it would cost to them to


           17              get into the pool anyway and they are


           18              traveling and who knows where they are, all


           19              the way up in West Side or North Scranton or


           20              what have you.


           21                      And finally, again, I would urge


           22              council and the mayor and economic


           23              development officials to survey and begin


           24              the plan for industrial space in this town.


           25              We have a lot of brownfields and unused






            1              land, rural development is unsustainable, it


            2              requires complete infrastructure and is


            3              unwise in an energy lean environment.  It's


            4              unsustainable and our entire federal


            5              government has been encouraging this and


            6              it's out of date.  It's way past this date.


            7              People have to resign themselves that if


            8              they don't need gasoline in large quantities


            9              then they won't have to pay the price for


           10              it.


           11                      Also, it's my feelings that many of


           12              these satellite industrial projects are just


           13              a big gift to outerlying communities so that


           14              they don't have to pay taxes some day on


           15              their properties to sustain roads and


           16              bridges and so forth.  So, please over the


           17              vacation try and look into possible


           18              industrial development and redirecting our


           19              funds.  Thank you.  Have a good day.


           20                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr. Dobson.


           21              Other speakers?


           22                      MS. FRANUS: Fay Franus.  I was


           23              reading the paper about this -- the tigers


           24              up at Nay Aug, do you have any control over


           25              that at all?  Nothing?  The mayor is the






            1              only person?


            2                      MR. MCGOFF: For what, I'm sorry?


            3              The recreation Authority I believe.


            4                      MS. FRANUS:  Is that a done deal?


            5              Those tigers should not be up at Nay Aug.


            6              How would you like to be in a cage all day?


            7              They belong out in the wild.  So, something


            8              is going to have to be done, PETA has to get


            9              involved or something or protest or anything


           10              it takes.  Those tigers should not be at Nay


           11              Aug, they should be taken away immediately.


           12                   Another thing, the dog park, I think


           13              you better get in touch with Ally Duffy, the


           14              one that wanted it up there so much and get


           15              her little magic volunteers up there, I took


           16              my boy up there three times, three times I


           17              had to leave because nobody cleans up after


           18              their animals, so how am I supposed to play


           19              with my dog if he has to run through all of


           20              that, you know what I'm referring to.  There


           21              is no way.  There is no way at all.  Three


           22              times I tried and three times -- how could


           23              be throw a ball and let him run through that


           24              then what you are supposed to do with him?


           25              Knock on somebody's' door before you get in






            1              your car and say, "Can I put my boy in your


            2              shower?"


            3                      I mean, something has to be done


            4              because it's disgraceful, so I suggest


            5              somebody call Ally Duffy or Judy Gatelli,


            6              since see was up there, and do something


            7              about this.  It's not -- let them put


            8              somebody up there.


            9                      I came here to ask Judy Gatelli some


           10              financial things, but I see she is not here.


           11              Why isn't she here today?  You don't know?


           12              Okay, Mr. McGoff, did she call you and tell


           13              you she wasn't coming?


           14                      MR. MCGOFF: The only thing that's


           15              required, not even required, but the


           16              courtesy was a letter was sent to the


           17              Clerk's Office that she would not be here.


           18                      MS. FRANUS:  But no reason?  I mean,


           19              I can't go over this, this is like the 300th


           20              time that Judy is not here.  As far as


           21              Mr. Fanucci, I don't know what the reason


           22              is, but it seems like every time one is gone


           23              the other one is gone.  They must be having


           24              a picnic someplace.  I mean, think about it.


           25              Look at it.  When one is gone the other one






            1              is gone.  You never see one all of you gone.


            2              It's always those two and they always have--


            3              I would like to know why Judy Gatelli is not


            4              here.  I mean, I hope somebody finds out.  I


            5              don't think just a letter saying I'm not


            6              coming.  It's bad enough she is going to


            7              have the whole month of August off and then


            8              she is going to -- you sit there and smirk,


            9              Mr. McGoff, we are paying a lot of money for


           10              you people to sit here.  I should say we are


           11              money for you people not to sit there.


           12                   Judy Gatelli, when we was president of


           13              council, she missed 17 meetings or cancelled


           14              or adjourned, 17.  Now she is doing the same


           15              thing under your presidency and you sit


           16              there and let her do it.  Boy, you have a


           17              lot of backbone.  Where are the rules?


           18                      MR. MCGOFF: Excuse me.


           19                      MS. FRANUS:  Yes?


           20                      MR. MCGOFF: I don't need to be


           21              insulted.


           22                      MS. FRANUS:  Well, when the shoe


           23              fits, as I told you many, many times.  You


           24              have a job to do.  I think it's your job to


           25              tell these other council persons to be at






            1              work.  If I didn't go to work I think I


            2              couldn't just write a letter and say I'm not


            3              going to be there, no reason, I have to have


            4              a reason and it would have to be a pretty


            5              darn good reason.


            6                      So, Judy Gatelli, God bless your


            7              little soul, she is leaving the summer


            8              vacation with a nice little missing in


            9              action again, same with Sherry.


           10                      Anyway, I wish you would do


           11              something about the dog park.  I was going


           12              to ask Judy some financial questions, but


           13              she probably wouldn't know them anyway


           14              because she took it by default financial


           15              head so she really doesn't want to be there.


           16              Please find something out about the dog park


           17              and I definitely want to hear something on


           18              this tiger.  I don't know who could do it,


           19              what we could do, but it has to be stopped


           20              just because certain people, whoever wants


           21              these tigers at Nay Aug certainly don't care


           22              about animals.  They do not care about


           23              animals because if they did they would never


           24              have them up there.  I say take the tigers


           25              out and put these people that want them






            1              there in that cage and see how they like it.


            2              Thank you.


            3                      MR. MCGOFF:  Anyone else?


            4                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Hi, Jim.


            5                      MR. STUCKER:  Over at Providence


            6              Square right by the Taurus Club, now, the


            7              guy yesterday he picks up Mr. Stirna's place


            8              where they tore that building down next to


            9              Stirna's building and they put that redwood


           10              chips around the trees and stuff, why can't


           11              they do that and the Taurus Club get a bunch


           12              of guys out there, well, the city owns the


           13              parking lot, the city -- why don't the city


           14              get up there and do it?  It's all a bunch of


           15              grass and weeds around, around the clock,


           16              all around that beautiful nice black clock.


           17              There a bunch of weeds and grass growing


           18              there.  We were going to try and make the


           19              square look nice and the guy is just going


           20              to the bar and drink all day and night and


           21              don't go out there and do anything.  They


           22              should have a volunteer up there to do that.


           23              Get a bunch of volunteers from the Taurus


           24              Club to go up there and do that, pull the


           25              weeds out.






            1                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Good idea, Jim.


            2                      MR. STUCKER:  And what about them


            3              signs for that Providence Square and Market


            4              Street, we need them there.  They are still


            5              parking -- they are still parking off the


            6              lot.  The city owns the laundry mat lot and


            7              there is people parking there on the


            8              sidewalk.


            9                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Jim, I'm going to


           10              have to sit down and explain this to you


           11              outside of here, I have tried to explain it


           12              to you, I don't think you understand what


           13              I'm telling you, so I'll talk to you later


           14              on about it, okay?


           15                      MR. STUCKER:  Okay.  On Market


           16              Street -- Oak Street where you come down


           17              that hill that van is still on the sidewalk.


           18                      MR. COURTRIGHT: The what?


           19                      MR. STUCKER: The van, a white van is


           20              parked on the sidewalk and they told the


           21              cops about it and they aren't doing nothing.


           22              You can't walk the sidewalk somebody is


           23              going to hit out in the road, like, I'm


           24              walking last night, I walked up to the bar


           25              last night and right away you got to walk






            1              out in the street at night.  That van should


            2              not be there at all on the sidewalk.


            3                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Okay.  We'll look


            4              into that, Jim.


            5                      MR. STUCKER:  Somebody is going to


            6              get hit out there on that road.


            7                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Got you.


            8                      MR. STUCKER: All right?


            9                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you very much,


           10              Mr. Stucker.


           11                      MR. STUCKER: Okay.  All right.


           12                      MR. MCGOFF:  Thank you.


           13                      MR. STUCKER: Have a good vacation,


           14              all three of you.


           15                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Thanks, Jim.


           16                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.


           17                      MR. GERVASI: Good afternoon, City


           18              Council.  My name is Dave Gervasi.


           19              Mr. Courtright, I know you have been on top


           20              of this, I would like to ask the other two


           21              council members who are present here today,


           22              have any of you spoken to any police


           23              officers this week?


           24                      MS. EVANS: I have.


           25                      MR. GERVASI:  Mr. McGoff?






            1                      MR. MCGOFF: This week?  No.


            2                      MR. GERVASI:  I had the opportunity


            3              to speak to two more, I'm sorry, three more


            4              officers in the last four or five days and


            5              you do guys realize how critical and what's


            6              going on is, I mean, last night


            7              approximately 7:30 they called a code red,


            8              not exactly sure what the situation was, my


            9              wife was listening to the scanner, and there


           10              was no cars available again.  I mean, it was


           11              lifted shortly after, I don't know what


           12              transpired.


           13                      MR. COURTRIGHT: The call was bats


           14              and pipes fighting up in South Side.


           15                      MR. GERVASI:  And there was no cars


           16              available to respond?


           17                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  They sent every car


           18              in the city, luckily I think Sergeant


           19              Sheridan was the command car and he called


           20              for every car in the city.  When they got


           21              there they dispersed or there wasn't


           22              anything going on.


           23                      MR. GERVASI: Mr. Courtright, I don't


           24              know if you are aware, you are also aware I


           25              was speaking to a couple of Dunmore police






            1              officers, one guy has been there for years,


            2              never remembers going into Scranton, do you


            3              know they are being called to backup our


            4              police at times?


            5                      MR. COURTRIGHT: That I wasn't aware.


            6              I know with the fire we have a little bit of


            7              a reciprocal agreement, but I didn't know


            8              they were backing us up, no.


            9                      MR. GERVASI: It's my understanding


           10              that we are calling Dunmore guys when our


           11              guys are all tied up.  You know, I don't


           12              want to make a political statement out of


           13              this whole thing, but I'm going to.  You


           14              know, I remember back during the Recovery


           15              Plan when the police union and the fire


           16              union and the clerical union everyone was


           17              fighting the Recovery Plan because nobody


           18              knew exactly what the intent of the


           19              administration was.  There was past council


           20              people that were saying don't worry about


           21              it, that's not the mayor's intent.  Well, we


           22              have past council people now that are


           23              publically stating they are deceived what


           24              the mayor's intent was and what they are


           25              going to do to us.






            1                      With raises aside and benefits aside


            2              and all of things that we're litigating and


            3              I think some are trying to negotiate and


            4              arbitrate, we knew that this was the intent


            5              of this administration.  They made it pretty


            6              clear right from the start what their intent


            7              was and their intent was to gain so much


            8              control to the point where no one had a say


            9              even if it came to public safety and this is


           10              one of the main concerns that the police


           11              union has been fighting and what the fire


           12              union has been fighting has to be try to


           13              protect the level of public safety that we


           14              have, and I'm not going to sit here and, you


           15              know, be doom and gloom and everyone is


           16              always saying that these are scare tactics.


           17                   It's a mess right now in the police


           18              force.  I'm hearing that there is ten more


           19              police officers trying to seek employment


           20              elsewhere.  I mean, what are we going to do?


           21              Are we going to keep hiring new guys every


           22              week or every year, train them, get them on


           23              the street and then we are going to be a


           24              training grounds for police officers


           25              elsewhere.  I mean, something has got to be






            1              done here and somebody is going to get hurt


            2              and there is not much we can do.  I mean,


            3              the only thing that's going to settle this


            4              is public pressure.


            5                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Can I interrupt for


            6              just one second?  I'm going to speak on this


            7              when it's my turn to speak, I have been


            8              following it as closely as I can, and I


            9              don't want to take your time, but this


           10              council has supported me, everybody on this


           11              council in what I'm doing, so I think it's a


           12              joint effort here and I'll elaborate on it,


           13              I don't want to take up your time.


           14                      MR. GERVASI: Well, that's refreshing


           15              to hear.  That's all I've got to say because


           16              people have to how critical the situation


           17              is.  We are going to burn these police


           18              officers out, there is not enough help,


           19              somebody is going to hurt if they need


           20              backup, I'm sure I'm going to up here, you


           21              know, screaming about what their intention


           22              is with us the next few months in the fire


           23              department, but I'm very, very, very


           24              concerned with our police officers and I


           25              think, you mow, constant pressure is the






            1              only thing that's going to change it.  Thank


            2              you.


            3                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr. Gervasi.


            4                      MR. DAVIS:  Salaam aleikum.  We know


            5              that as police protection goes down people


            6              at the bottom of the ground, those who have


            7              the least economically speaking, tend to get


            8              the worst treatment, tend to be the ones who


            9              are sort of forgotten in the way of things.


           10              We spend a great deal of our time, those of


           11              us at that are my age and things like that,


           12              teaching our young boys and teaching our


           13              young kids to be aware.  When there is a


           14              problem get away from the problem, don't be


           15              caught in the middle of a problem because


           16              most of the officers that you are going to


           17              run into will not understand what you are


           18              talking about, they will not understand how


           19              to handle you properly because we know from


           20              our experiences, okay?  Scranton has always


           21              been a very tough town for nonwhites as far


           22              as police are concerned.  Always, always has


           23              been.


           24                      But that's not what I'm here for,


           25              I'm here because I keep asking you about Nay






            1              Aug Park.  I ask you about rescinding the


            2              order to charge money up there, and I don't


            3              even hear a response in your part of the


            4              meeting.  When you respond to what has been


            5              said I don't hear anybody on the panel, I


            6              don't hear anybody on the council saying,


            7              well, maybe we should do this or maybe this


            8              is a hardship for most of the people that


            9              live in Scranton.


           10                      You know what the salaries, you know


           11              what the income of the people who live in


           12              Scranton are, you have been told it by many


           13              people, but yet and still you don't seem to


           14              differ with what's being done and said by


           15              the mayor.  What are we -- are we just -- we


           16              are just dupes?  We are -- you are treating


           17              us like we are not -- like we have no


           18              sensibilities.  You are treating us like we


           19              have no ability to understand what's being


           20              done or what's being said to us.  You are


           21              telling us what are we here for?  What are


           22              we talking to you about the problem that you


           23              had no -- you can't change.  Is that what


           24              you are saying?  That you are helpless in


           25              your -- you are helpless in your situation,






            1              you cannot change it?  Oh, how horrible.


            2                   That's not what you were elected for.


            3              You were elected to represent us or


            4              represent our problems, I know some of our


            5              problems are very silly and some of them


            6              are-- they don't gather water, but this one


            7              when you know what the kids -- you are from


            8              Scranton, you know what the kids from


            9              Scranton can afford and still we still


           10              penalize them.  It's $3.50 to ride a slide


           11              that we have already paid for.  It was paid


           12              for by tax dollars out of Scranton.  So


           13              therefore, I don't understand why it's so


           14              difficult for you to just rescind the order


           15              and say, yeah, let the kids swim.  Even if


           16              it's just for one weekend a week a month,


           17              but let them swim free for a weekend, but


           18              nothing happens.


           19                      Maybe my conversation -- maybe I'm


           20              saying the wrong things at the wrong time,


           21              but I really feel this is being -- you are


           22              ignoring us and ignorance is not even


           23              blissful at this point in time, it almost


           24              makes us angry.  Something, you know, and I


           25              congratulate the SPCT or the new television






            1              station, it's a beautiful show, they really


            2              do.  I sat and I have watched it for many


            3              hours and I think that the photography, the


            4              composition is well done and I congratulate


            5              them for taking over and doing something


            6              about it.  You have done a beautiful job, I


            7              have seen the transition happen and I'm very


            8              happy with it, so we can do things.


            9                      We have the ability to change.  We


           10              know that we have the ability to change and


           11              we know that you have the ability to change,


           12              but we are refuse to do it.  We let things


           13              that really -- it's just skirts under the


           14              skin, why are you charging these kids that


           15              can't afford to really -- they need to swim,


           16              but they can't swim.  All right.  Thank you


           17              for the bell.


           18                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr. Davis.


           19                      MR. DAVIS: And do something, please.


           20                      MS. SCHUMACHER: Marie Schumacher,


           21              city resident, member of the taxpayers'


           22              group.  I'd like to start of by emphasizing


           23              what Ozzie said today on the debt and also


           24              weave in what Dave Gervasi brought forward


           25              with the financials that they had prepared.






            1              It does show, and the financials of the city


            2              show, that revenues exceed expenditures and


            3              then we are also told as reported by several


            4              people that our collections of the wage tax


            5              are up $4 million this year over last year.


            6              So, I question whether or not we really need


            7              to borrow any money and I guess at this time


            8              I would say I'm disappointed that you are


            9              taking all four weeks of August off, I think


           10              there is so many major issues that need to


           11              be addressed.  I don't know how in good


           12              conscience you can walk away from it for


           13              four weeks and then come back and try to


           14              gear up again when you are going to have two


           15              budgets when you come back.


           16                      The bonded debt has gone in 2000 it


           17              was $80.94 per capita.  In 2005, the last


           18              year for which numbers are available, it was


           19              $989.66.  That's quite a change and I don't


           20              think we need to make that number any


           21              larger.


           22                      Back in April I asked about when


           23              city inspectors go out and make a citation


           24              if they provide materials to the person as


           25              to their rights.  I was informed by I






            1              believe Mrs. Gatelli that, indeed, they


            2              were.  I asked if I could see a copy of


            3              those and you all were kind enough to send a


            4              letter asking that that material be


            5              provided.  There was a follow-up to that and


            6              the materials hadn't been received.  It's


            7              three months have passed, have those


            8              materials been received yet?


            9                      MS. EVANS: No.


           10                      MS. SCHUMACHER: And now to the


           11              future.  Again, we still do not have an


           12              audit.  Now, a couple of years ago there was


           13              some reason for not having an audit because


           14              you all hadn't selected who the auditor


           15              would be, but now I would suggest you need


           16              to start looking forward and you need to


           17              start an investigation so you can subpoena


           18              if that's what it's going to take department


           19              heads who have not responded to the auditors


           20              to come in here and explain what the problem


           21              is.  When they are requested to provide


           22              information in the month of February and


           23              here we are in the month of August and


           24              people still have not responded to the


           25              auditors you need to investigate.  You need






            1              to find out why.  I would hate to think that


            2              it would take a subpoena to do that, but,


            3              gosh darn it, that's what you are going to


            4              have to do.  We have got to start looking


            5              forward and not just backward.


            6                      I would also like to reiterate that


            7              what Nancy has asked, we need to revisit


            8              those onerous penalties and fines on the


            9              property owners.  I'm sure the city tax data


           10              is old, but it's all that's available out


           11              there and currently -- and it says we have


           12              4,000 unoccupied homes in the City of


           13              Scranton, that's a lot.  I don't think


           14              that's an accurate figure, but it still --


           15              it's still gives perspective.  We are going


           16              to keep adding to those, we are going to


           17              keep adding to blight, and as I said before,


           18              maybe we will get the number of homes down


           19              to the number of residence at some point and


           20              if that's the goal then I think we need to--


           21              we need to be honest about it and buy up


           22              some of these homes and we have got cars


           23              parking because we don't have room, we got


           24              cars parking on sidewalks all over, it's


           25              increasing.  It's terrible for pedestrians






            1              and particularly for the disabled.  Maybe we


            2              need to make neighborhood parking lots out


            3              of some of those and require people to park


            4              off street, but something.


            5                      I would also like to ask why the


            6              City of Scranton does not do any recycling


            7              of organic materials.  Why everything has to


            8              go to the dump, grass clippings and things


            9              that people cut from their yards.  Smaller


           10              boroughs around the area collect those


           11              things separately and they go to a


           12              composting place.  I've got lots more but I


           13              will be back in September maybe.


           14                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mrs.


           15              Schumacher.  Anyone else?  Mrs. Evans?


           16                      MS. EVANS: Good morning.  Once


           17              again, I wish to return to the $10,000 the


           18              mayor gave to the East Scranton Business


           19              Association to give to ECTV.  I spoke with


           20              our council earlier today and Attorney


           21              Minora stated that he will forward his


           22              documented responses later today.  I'd also


           23              like a copy of your opinion, Attorney


           24              Minora, on the right of a mayor to spend


           25              federal funds without the knowledge and






            1              consent of council and to give these funds


            2              to one organization to give to another


            3              organization.


            4                      Kay, did council receive a response


            5              from OECD regarding the date of blight


            6              determination and reasons for such at 933


            7              Prescott Avenue?


            8                      MS. GARVEY: No.


            9                      MS. EVANS: Thank you.  Please send,


           10              Kay, a second letter to OECD on behalf of


           11              city council requesting a response on or


           12              before August 15, 2008.  Is that agreeable?


           13                      MR. MCGOFF: Fine.


           14                      MS. EVANS: Thank you.  Attorney


           15              Minora, what is the update on the McDowell


           16              subpoena?


           17                      MR. MINORA: I'm preparing an answer


           18              and could we talk about that after the


           19              meeting?  I'll be glad to -- it's in the


           20              middle of litigation and I --


           21                      MS. EVANS: That's fine then.


           22                      MR. MINORA: --  don't want to


           23              broadcast what I'm doing with another


           24              lawyer, I'm glad to tell you, I'd just


           25              rather do it after the meeting if you don't






            1              mind.


            2                      MS. EVANS: Thank you.  Last week


            3              council unanimously approved a motion to


            4              reinstitute a Home Rule Charter Commission.


            5              Although I feel it is beneficial to


            6              undertake a review every five years, I also


            7              know that such a review entails a required


            8              process.  For example, a specifically worded


            9              Home Rule Charter review question must be


           10              placed on the ballot for the residents of


           11              Scranton to decide if they want a charter


           12              review to be conducted.  At the same time, I


           13              believe, potential commission members must


           14              be listed on the ballot and elected by the


           15              voters to serve on the Home Rule Charter


           16              Commission if it is approved by a majority


           17              vote.  Thus, council's motion can


           18              demonstrate it's approval of a charter


           19              review, but much needs to be done to place


           20              the question on the ballot.


           21                      Attorney Minora, another job for


           22              you, would you research what steps must be


           23              taken in this process and inform council


           24              during August so that we can determine a


           25              time table for the proceedings?






            1                      MR. MINORA: Of course.


            2                      MS. EVANS: Thank you.  And, Kay,


            3              please send a letter to Mr. Brazil and


            4              Mr. Doherty on behalf of council requesting


            5              if any of the $69,000 in recycling grant


            6              money can be used to purchase recycling


            7              receptacles for the citizens or will the


            8              entire amount be used for the mayor's


            9              anti-littering campaign and we ask for a


           10              response on or before August 15, 2008.


           11                      Last Thursday, a report released by


           12              a policy think tank, specifically, Policy


           13              Link, out of Oakland, California, was


           14              covered in the newspaper.  It's author,


           15              Radika Fox, is an associate director at


           16              Policy Link who based her conclusions for


           17              this report solely on interviews with


           18              Mr. Doherty.  The report praises Mr. Doherty


           19              for balancing the city's budgets, raising


           20              it's bond rating and borrowing money.  It


           21              seems, however, that Mr. Doherty neglected


           22              to tell Ms. Fox that Standard and Poors


           23              lowered our bond rating in 2007 for


           24              excessive borrowing and failure to control


           25              costs.






            1                      Scranton's bond rating is


            2              significantly down from it's I believe


            3              double "A" rating received six years ago by


            4              purchasing $1 million in bond insurance.  In


            5              fact, it has dropped so notably that in


            6              concurrence with the state of the bond


            7              market it appears it may be very difficult


            8              for Scranton to obtain bond insurance and to


            9              yet again borrow millions of dollars at this


           10              juncture in time.


           11                      Mr. Doherty further forgot to


           12              mention that he raised taxes over 25 percent


           13              and created a long-term debt of


           14              approximately $270 million in a city with a


           15              high population of senior citizens and the


           16              working poor.  Ms. Fox admits that her


           17              report isn't meant to be scientific or


           18              quantitative, thus, it offers us, the


           19              citizens of Scranton, no validity and no


           20              reliability.  It is merely the spin of a


           21              mayor facing his reelection campaign and


           22              seeking free publicity.


           23                      At last week's council meeting,


           24              Mr. Courtright informed the public of a


           25              police staffing decline.  Two weeks ago at a






            1              council meeting I spoke about the


            2              implementation of phase one of the Recovery


            3              Plan within the police department and the


            4              reductions in staffing that occurred as a


            5              result.  Both Mr. Courtright and I had


            6              personally spoken to police personnel to


            7              determine the accuracy of reports we


            8              received.  All five council members were


            9              very concerned for the safety of the public


           10              and our police personnel.


           11                      Thus, council requested a full list


           12              of manning figures from the date of the


           13              initiation of the Recovery Plan to last


           14              week, however, Chief Elliott declined to


           15              release these figures which raising a


           16              blazing red flag.


           17                      Further, this administration insists


           18              of counting desk officers and transport duty


           19              officers as patrol officers and states that


           20              next year's shifts will be assigned on peek


           21              crime hours.  It appears that during the


           22              next a five months of 2008, however, the


           23              City of Scranton may well continue to be


           24              understaffed.  Under the current contract


           25              the department required the same number of






            1              officers regardless of shifts.


            2              Unfortunately, crime doesn't work that way,


            3              Chief Elliott said in response to the


            4              manning clause in the Saturday, July 26,


            5              2008, edition of the Scranton Times.  Like


            6              everyone here, I hope that we experience


            7              staffing improvements and increased safety


            8              next year, but what happens now?  Why


            9              jeopardize the safety of our police


           10              department and our people from now until


           11              2009?


           12                      I respond to Chief Elliott in his


           13              own words, unfortunately, crime doesn't work


           14              that way.  Criminals will hardly agree to


           15              scale down their activities until after the


           16              police department bids for next year's


           17              shifts in the fall.  Also, I hope these bids


           18              follow a contractually established process,


           19              otherwise, subjectivity may certainly invade


           20              the shift assignments.  The public needs to


           21              remain aware of the status of public safety


           22              in Scranton and to make it's wishes known


           23              clearly and emphatically.  Citywide patrols


           24              of three or four cars per shift are


           25              unacceptable and they are dangerous.






            1                   Finally, I'd like to wish everyone a


            2              very safe and enjoyable summer.  Council


            3              will recess for the month of August and


            4              return to it's regularly scheduled meetings


            5              at 6:30 p.m. in September.  It is my hope


            6              that when we reconvene at the first


            7              September meeting city council will be


            8              broadcast live once again, and that's it.


            9                   Oh, I'm sorry.  I'm sorry,


           10              Mr. Courtright, I am so sorry.  I have to


           11              postpone you for a minute.  I forgot about


           12              my citizens' requests for the week and then


           13              that's it.  First, 1307-1309 North


           14              Washington Avenue, the house was condemned


           15              and bushes in front of the property are


           16              overgrown.  Neighbors report that there are


           17              huge piles of trees and bushes as well as


           18              skunks, a cat family, and possums in the


           19              corner of the backyard.  The animals travel


           20              through neighboring yards to reach their


           21              destination behind the condemned property.


           22              Please address as soon as possible since


           23              residents can't use their own yards


           24              currently and provide a written response to


           25              council on or before August 25, 2008.






            1                      Neighbors in the area request that a


            2              house backing 621 and 623 Cedar Avenue be


            3              inspected for it's deplorable condition.


            4                      Please send the street cleaner to


            5              the 500 block of Willow Street, rain storms


            6              cause dirt, rock and debris to collect.


            7                      Residents of South Side once again


            8              request that DPW employees place trash cans


            9              at properties and refrain from throwing


           10              them.  Numerous citizens report damages to


           11              their trash cans.


           12                      The 1500 block of Rosen Court,


           13              please trim overgrown trees that are


           14              entangled in utility wires.  Also, residents


           15              request the installation of one streetlight


           16              for their safety and security in the 1500


           17              block of Rosen Court.


           18                      The 1400 block has such lights yet


           19              there are none in the 1500 block.  Please


           20              provide a written response to council on or


           21              before August 29, 2008.


           22                      114 RidgeView Drive, this is a third


           23              request and it's kind of like the saying


           24              three strikes you are out, council would


           25              like Mr. Brazil and a city engineer to






            1              examine this area.  On one side of the


            2              street water run off causes dirt and rocks


            3              to collect in front of this property after


            4              every rainy event.  On the other side of the


            5              street, there is a very deep opening large


            6              enough for a child to fall into.  Again,


            7              caused by continual water runoff. The


            8              residents of 114 RidgeView Drive are senior


            9              citizens and they are not able shovel and


           10              remove the debris that collects at their


           11              property regularly nor should they have to


           12              could such work considering the very high


           13              taxes that they pay in Fawnwood.  I will not


           14              forget their problems and will continue to


           15              pursue a solution from the engineer and the


           16              DPW director until I learn from the home


           17              owner that his problem has been addressed by


           18              these city employees.


           19                      Council requests that an abandoned


           20              lot at 134 South Merrifield Avenue is


           21              cleared by the DPW during August and this is


           22              a second request.


           23                      Wattress Avenue off the 2200 Of Ash


           24              Street, please fill potholes, that is a


           25              second request.






            1                      And council requests guidelines that


            2              are given to homeowners by LIPS inspectors


            3              and I believe that, too, is the second


            4              request, and that's it.  Mr. Courtright.


            5                      MR. MCGOFF: May I add something to


            6              the end of your list?


            7                      MS. EVANS: Oh, please, do.


            8                      MR. MCGOFF: I got a call just before


            9              I came to the meeting, shrubbery and weeds


           10              blocking the line of site at the corner of


           11              Harrison Avenue and Olive Street.  The


           12              property is 548 Harrison Avenue where the


           13              overgrowth is located.  Apparently it's very


           14              difficult to see either up or done Harrison


           15              Avenue at that point and someone was just


           16              requesting if something could be done to at


           17              least trim those or remove them.  Thank you.


           18              Mr. Courtright?


           19                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Okay.  In light of


           20              the newspaper article written last week, the


           21              response I got from Dave Elliott, the police


           22              chief, and the many, many people that have


           23              contacted me about the manning of the police


           24              department, I was at St. Joe's picnic and


           25              that was probably the only thing anybody






            1              talked to me about.  I'm going to read


            2              again, because they are saying I didn't give


            3              them anything specific, but I'm going to


            4              read again what the shift was on July 20 of


            5              this year, the second shift.


            6                      Central city there was one vehicle,


            7              that vehicle came in service at 3:00, was


            8              taken out of service and sent to St. Ann's


            9              Novena until 9:00.  At 9:00 when he done at


           10              St. Ann's Novena he was sent to the crime


           11              scene until 11:00, so there was no car


           12              assigned to central city the entire night.


           13                   North Scranton had one vehicle the


           14              entire night so there is one car, I don't


           15              know what kind of math this guy is doing.


           16              Greenridge had one car all night.  That's


           17              two car.  South Side had two cars, so that's


           18              four cars so far, but of the two cars in


           19              South Side the one car from 3 to 5 was at


           20              the crime scene and then the other car from


           21              5 to 9 was at the crime scene, so I'm going


           22              to give them the benefit of the doubt there


           23              is four cars.  West Side had one car


           24              assigned and that car was pulled to go to


           25              St. Ann's from 3 to 9, so no car in West






            1              Side from 3 to 9.  Car 18, Car 18 is a


            2              transport vehicle and I'll speak a little


            3              bit more about that later on, it's not --


            4              it's purpose isn't to respond to calls.


            5                      And the desk guy.  This has got to


            6              be the most ridiculous, ludicrous statement


            7              I have ever heard in my entire life that the


            8              desk guy counts in the rotation.  The desk


            9              man answers calls from citizens such as


           10              yourself that calls in.  He answers calls


           11              that are transferred over from the COMCenter


           12              to him.  He answers calls from police


           13              officers that are out in the field, they


           14              need a plate run, they need to search and


           15              see if there is any wants or warrants on


           16              somebody, he calls for cars to come into the


           17              building if there is a person that walks in,


           18              what do you call it, he runs the plates and


           19              he gets the towers come out and tow cars, he


           20              has a whole host of things and when Car 18,


           21              which tis the transport vehicle is tied up,


           22              he needs to watch the screen and makes sure


           23              that if there's a prisoner that is held that


           24              they are not something they shouldn't be


           25              doing.  I can't understand for the life of






            1              me how anybody could make that statement


            2              that the desk guy is included in the


            3              rotation that is just ludicrous.


            4                      MS. EVANS: Mr. Courtright, is that


            5              the officer who monitors the security


            6              cameras?


            7                      MR. COURTRIGHT: We haven't


            8              determined yet who is going to do that yet,


            9              I don't think.  They're not up and running


           10              yet I don't believe fully.


           11                      MS. EVANS: They are not working.


           12                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Now, the other


           13              thing is the man doesn't have a vehicle how


           14              is he going to respond to a call, get out


           15              and run to it?  I mean, this is just -- I


           16              don't understand this at all, all right?


           17              And I'm going through things that were in


           18              the letter and from the article, the PACE


           19              unit.  As far as I know the PACE unit is not


           20              responding on Sundays, they are not working


           21              on Sunday I should say the PACE unit to the


           22              best of my knowledge, and I also don't


           23              believe, and they can correct me if I'm


           24              wrong, that they are in the rotation.  When


           25              I say in the rotation the COM Center would






            1              dispatch them to calls.  The PACE unit is a


            2              proactive unit, they go out and basically


            3              create calls, they are looking for crime, so


            4              they are not in the rotation to the best of


            5              my knowledge.


            6                      Com-D officers, this is another


            7              ridiculous statement, I think they need to


            8              speak to Lieutenant Dan Duffy, he runs the


            9              COM-D program, you can't dispatch calls.


           10              The COM Center cannot dispatch calls to a


           11              Com-D officer, it's against the law we would


           12              lose our grants if we starting using them in


           13              the rotation, so I don't know where they are


           14              coming up with the amounts of cars.


           15                      I got four so far and there was a


           16              sergeant who was acting as a command car,


           17              usually there is a lieutenant if the


           18              lieutenant is not there, there is a


           19              sergeant, and there was an East 6 car, he


           20              would be a corporal.  I'm not in favor of a


           21              command car responding to calls.  If there


           22              is an emergency he has got to control what's


           23              going on in the shift, has got to control


           24              all of the other guys.  If he is out on an


           25              accident with injuries and a gun call comes






            1              in and there is a shooting what he is going


            2              to do, leave the accident with injuries?


            3              Chaos is going to happen.


            4                      The article in the newspaper,


            5              Captain Graziano says, and I have a lot of


            6              respect for Captain Graziano, "Meanwhile it


            7              appears that changes could be wearing on


            8              some officers, Captain Graziano says."


            9                      That's what I said last week.  You


           10              can't run these guys from call to call, it's


           11              going to wear them thin.  "He and Bob


           12              Martin, union president, both say they are


           13              hearing safety concerns from the ranks that


           14              the officers are hurried and stretched thin.


           15              Captain Graziano said officers needed to do


           16              more with less is never a good thing."


           17                      All right?  Now, that's the captain


           18              of all the patrol.  Is he a veteran, he is a


           19              good officer, he knows what he is talking


           20              about.  Also, in the letter from the police


           21              chief he is saying that there has been no


           22              greviances filed for officer's safety.  I


           23              called Detective Sergeant Martin, he is the


           24              president of the union.  He says he is in


           25              the process or already has filed grievances






            1              for manning which the safety would come


            2              under, he is concerned for officers and


            3              police safety.


            4                      Also, from the police department


            5              Dave is saying that he cannot -- "The


            6              request for all details along with


            7              breakdowns of cars, patrol officers and


            8              supervisors would be too much work to pull


            9              our staff away from their daily duties and I


           10              feel this is not beneficial to the public to


           11              look into more nonspecific complaints."


           12                      I think there might have been a


           13              total six days we asked for give or take a


           14              few.  All that is each day is three sheets


           15              of paper, if it's seven days 21 sheets of


           16              paper, if it's such a burden if they leave


           17              them at the desk I'll go and copy them.  Why


           18              don't they want us to see the manning?  I


           19              know what the manning is, the guys tell me,


           20              I want it in writing so that you know.


           21                      I challenge Dave Elliott or anybody


           22              in the administration to dispute what I have


           23              just said.  I put this to them to dispute


           24              anything that I just said.  If I'm incorrect


           25              I will stand corrected.  I will admit that I






            1              am incorrect, but I don't believe I'm


            2              incorrect on any one of those points there.


            3              I have talked to many, many people about


            4              this.


            5                      I would ask that Director Hayes do


            6              this, get the police captain and the


            7              lieutenants on a one-on-one basis without


            8              anybody, the chief or the mayor or anybody


            9              in there, and ask them off the record what


           10              do you think, do you think this is a good


           11              practice?  They never had the police chief


           12              determine whether overtime was warranted or


           13              not.  It was always the commander of the


           14              shift would determined if he needed to call


           15              guys in, now it's switched to where it's the


           16              police chief.  I don't think, and this is


           17              just my opinion, that is my understanding,


           18              the only one who can do it is the chief, if


           19              he is not available Captain Graziano, I


           20              don't think you would see Captain Graziano


           21              run the shifts as short as they were if that


           22              was his sole responsibility if he was


           23              responsible.  I think Captain Graziano would


           24              have more people on the street.


           25                      You know, I asked many of the






            1              people, obviously, I get a little bit more


            2              calls on public safety than the rest of


            3              council just because of the fact that's it's


            4              my committee.  Now, I have asked some of the


            5              people why don't you come to council and


            6              express your concerns or why don't you write


            7              a letter to the editor, a lot of them want


            8              to remain anonymous, they don't want to be


            9              on TV, they don't want to have their name in


           10              the paper and I can understand that and I'm


           11              not complaining about getting the requests


           12              because I believe that it's the five of us


           13              up here it's our job to speak on your


           14              behalf, that's what you elected us for and


           15              is there a safety concern?  I absolutely


           16              believe there is a safety concern.


           17                      But, I would think the other members


           18              of council because this is one of the few


           19              times I have ever seen us all band together


           20              and agree that something needs to be done,


           21              so I will continue to watch what is


           22              happening and I will continue to report to


           23              you and, again, I challenge them to dispute


           24              what I just said and that's all I have.


           25              Thank you.






            1                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you,


            2              Mr. Courtright.  Just a couple of items,


            3              first on a little bit lighter note, I would


            4              like to congratulate the Connell Park South


            5              Scranton/East Scranton Junior League All


            6              Stars.  Junior League is the 13, 14 year old


            7              component of little league.  They went as


            8              the Scranton All Stars to a state tournament


            9              and they tied for fifth in the state


           10              tournament.  It just so happens that my


           11              grandson is on the team and that's why I am


           12              mentioning it, but --


           13                      MS. EVANS: Congratulations.


           14                      MR. MCGOFF: But they played very


           15              well and represented the city very well.


           16              Also, I have asked council members if they


           17              would resubmit the appointments that they


           18              made to the oversight committee for ECTV and


           19              we will have that on the agenda when we


           20              return in September so that that committee


           21              can be formalized and the members -- or the


           22              members appointed formally to that committee


           23              and should then become active in September.


           24                   Just a response on the dog park issue,


           25              there is no supervision of the dog park, it






            1              is supposed to be it was designed, it was


            2              always intended to be self-regulatory.  It


            3              was up to the dog owners who frequented the


            4              park to maintain the control of their animal


            5              and also to I guess provide for the


            6              cleanliness of their particular animal.  I


            7              know that there are at times people that go


            8              there and collect trash, do some, you know,


            9              wash the area and so on, but there is not


           10              any -- there is no one there, you know, on a


           11              regular basis to regulate the dog owners and


           12              the dogs.  I don't know of too many, and


           13              I'll I guess maybe investigate a little bit,


           14              but I think that most dog parks tend to be


           15              self-regulatory and if there are problems it


           16              really is created by or caused by the dog


           17              owners themselves who are not being


           18              responsible for taking care of their animal


           19              and, hopefully, people will abide by the


           20              rules.  There are rules posted for the dog


           21              park and hopefully people will if they are


           22              made aware of, you know, breaking those


           23              rules or that they themselves are not


           24              behaving properly then perhaps hearing some


           25              of these complaints will prompt people to






            1              regulate themselves and make for a better


            2              situation at the dog park and at Connell


            3              Park.


            4                      With that said, I will talk to


            5              Mr. Dougher and see if, you know, perhaps


            6              maybe a more frequent, you know, run by


            7              since we have number of crews, you know,


            8              part-time workers for the summer through


            9              parks and recreation perhaps we can make


           10              some more frequent visits to the dog park as


           11              far as maintenance and clean up.


           12                      One of things Mrs. Evans you


           13              mentioned was the recycling containers, I'll


           14              check on that, I thought that at some point


           15              in time within the past year that we


           16              provided -- that there was legislation for


           17              the purchase of recycling containers.  I


           18              will check back and I'll also contact DPW,


           19              but I know a number of months ago I went and


           20              asked for a recycling container and there


           21              were, you know, numbers of them available,


           22              so --


           23                      MS. EVANS: I know I have had


           24              requests for those, not for myself, but for


           25              individuals who had contacted me who had






            1              said when they called the DPW they were told


            2              that none were available and so when I


            3              procured them I gave them to these


            4              individuals, but that's what had caused me


            5              to have this concern because so many


            6              residents had been contacting me that they


            7              were in need of new recyclables which is a


            8              good sign that they are recycling.


            9                      MR. MCGOFF: Yes, and hopefully if,


           10              in fact, they are, which I believe they are


           11              available, perhaps we can do something to


           12              even if it's through Channel 61 to run a


           13              little thing, you know, where containers are


           14              available and how they can be obtained since


           15              we won't be here for a couple of weeks.


           16                      And I hope it doesn't appear that we


           17              are being rude or inconsiderate to


           18              Mr. Gilroy when he has come here.  When


           19              Mr. Gilroy first appeared before council


           20              with his complaints I know that almost


           21              immediately inspectors, police, whoever went


           22              to those places and looked into the


           23              complaints almost on a daily basis after his


           24              first visit and we as council had talked


           25              about some, you know, speaking with him and






            1              trying to remedy some of the problems, so we


            2              are not being inconsiderate, we are not


            3              ignoring what Mr. Gilroy said, I think he is


            4              looking for a more immediate solution than


            5              is available and I know that sometimes you


            6              can run out of patience with issues that are


            7              personal to you.  Hopefully, we are looking


            8              into some of these situations and some of


            9              them will be resolved, but we are not


           10              ignoring the situation and that is all that


           11              I have for today.


           12                      MS. GARVEY: FIFTH ORDER.  NO


           13              BUSINESS AT THIS TIME.  SIXTH ORDER.  6-A.


           14              READING BY TITLE - FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 35,


           15              2008 - AN ORDINANCE - REPEALING FILE OF


           16              COUNCIL NO. 64, 2006, (AS AMENDED), AN




           18              OF SCRANTON, LACKAWANNA COUNTY,










           23              AN EFFECTIVE DATE" DUE TO THE PASSAGE OF ACT


           24              27 OF 2008 BY THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF THE


           25              COMMONWEALTH OF PENNSYLVANIA.






            1                      MR. MCGOFF: You have heard Reading


            2              by Title of Item 6-A, what is your pleasure?


            3                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I move that Item 6-A


            4              pass Reading by title.


            5                      MS. EVANS: Second.


            6                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?


            7                      MS. EVANS: Yes.  The statewide


            8              smoking ban is certainly not perfect by any


            9              means, but at least Scranton business owners


           10              are placed on fairer ground than they were


           11              under the local ordinance.


           12                      MR. MCGOFF: Anyone else?  All in


           13              favor signify by saying aye.


           14                      MS. EVANS: Aye.


           15                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.


           16                      MR. MCGOFF: Aye.  Opposed?  The ayes


           17              have it and so moved.  At this time I would


           18              like to make a motion to move 6-A to Seventh


           19              Order for the final reading.


           20                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.


           21                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?  All in


           22              favor?


           23                      MS. EVANS: Aye.


           24                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF: Aye.  Opposed?  The ayes






            1              have it and so moved.


            2                      MS. GARVEY: SEVENTH ORDER.  7-A. FOR




            4              FOR ADOPTION - FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 34, 2008


            5              - AN ORDINANCE - AMENDING FILE OF COUNCIL


            6              131 OF 2007 ENTITLED "SALE OF TAX DELINQUENT




            8              ALSO DESCRIBED AS LOT NO. 134, SCRANTON


            9              PENNSYLVANIA, TO KEVIN AND FRANCINE


           10              FITZGERALD, 309 BATLUCK STREET, SCRANTON,


           11              PENNSYLVANIA, 18505, FOR THE SUM OF


           12              $1,357.00" TO CORRECTLY IDENTIFY PROPERTY


           13              INFORMATION AS LOT NO. 152, MAP NO.


           14              15719-030-047.


           15                      MR. MCGOFF: What is the


           16              recommendation of the temporary chairperson


           17              for the Committee on Finance?


           18                      MS. EVANS: As temporary chair for


           19              the Committee on Finance, I recommend final


           20              passage of Item 7-A.


           21                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.


           22                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?  Roll


           23              call.


           24                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.


           25                      MS. EVANS:  Yes.






            1                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Gatelli.


            2                      MS. GATELLI.  (Not present.)


            3                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.


            4                      MS. FANUCCI:  (Not present.)


            5                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. Courtright.


            6                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Yes.


            7                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.


            8                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes.  I hereby declare


            9              7-A legally and lawfully adopted.


           10                      MS. GARVEY: 7-B. FOR CONSIDERATION




           12              FOR ADOPTION - RESOLUTION NO. 50, 2008 -


           13              ACCEPTING THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE




           15              ("HARB") AND APPROVING THE CERTIFICATE OF


           16              APPROPRIATENESS FOR HEMMLER + CAMAYD, 409






           19              OF LOUVER SCREENING AT THE REAR OF THE


           20              ESTATE BUILDING AT THE UNIVERSITY OF


           21              SCRANTON, MONROE AVENUE AND RIDGE ROW,


           22              SCRANTON, PENNSYLVANIA.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF: What is the


           24              recommendation of the temporary Chairperson


           25              for the Committee on Community Development?






            1                      MR. COURTRIGHT: As temporary


            2              Chairperson for the Committee on Community


            3              Development, I recommend final passage of


            4              Item 7-B.


            5                      MS. EVANS: Second.


            6                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question.  Roll


            7              call, please.


            8                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.


            9                      MS. EVANS:  Yes.


           10                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Gatelli.


           11                      MS. GATELLI.  (Not Present.)


           12                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.


           13                      MS. FANUCCI:  (Not Present.)


           14                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. Courtright.


           15                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Yes.


           16                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.


           17                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes.  I hereby declare


           18              7-B legally and lawfully adopted.


           19                      MS. GARVEY: Before reading Item 7-C


           20              there is one more opportunity for anybody to


           21              speak on it before final passage.


           22                      MR. MCGOFF: Yes, we probably should,


           23              I'm sorry.  We need to do that.  If anyone


           24              would care to speak on 7-C prior to passage


           25              -- or prior to voting I should say.  Please






            1              indicate that there are no speakers.


            2                      MS. GARVEY: 7-C, which was formerly


            3              6-A - FOR CONSIDERATION BY THE COMMITTEE ON


            4              RULES - FOR ADOPTION - FILE OF COUNCIL NO.


            5              35, 2008 - REPEALING FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 64,


            6              2006, (AS AMENDED), AN ORDINANCE, ENTITLED


            7              "ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF SCRANTON,


            8              LACKAWANNA COUNTY, PENNSYLVANIA,










           13              DATE" DUE TO THE PASSAGE OF ACT 27 OF 2008




           15              OF PENNSYLVANIA.


           16                      MR. MCGOFF: As Chairperson for the


           17              Committee on Rules, I recommend final


           18              passage of Item 7-C.


           19                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.


           20                      MR. MCGOFF:  Roll call, please.


           21                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.


           22                      MS. EVANS:  Yes.


           23                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Gatelli.


           24                      MS. GATELLI.  (Not present.)


           25                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.






            1                      MS. FANUCCI:  (Not present.)


            2                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. Courtright.


            3                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Yes.


            4                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.


            5                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes.  I hereby declare


            6              Item 7-C legally and lawfully adopted.


            7              Motion to adjourn.


            8                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.


            9                      MS. EVANS: Second.


           10                      MR. MCGOFF:  Please enjoy the month


           11              of August and we'll see you in September.


           12              Thank you.


































            2                     C E R T I F I C A T E




            4        I hereby certify that the proceedings and


            5   evidence are contained fully and accurately in the


            6   notes of testimony taken by me at the hearing of the


            7   above-captioned matter and that the foregoing is a true


            8   and correct transcript of the same to the best of my


            9   ability.







                                    CATHENE S. NARDOZZI, RPR

           13                       OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER