1              SCRANTON CITY COUNCIL MEETING








            5                          HELD:




            7                   Tuesday, July 15, 2008




            9                        LOCATION:


           10                    Council Chambers


           11                 Scranton City Hall


           12              340 North Washington Avenue


           13                Scranton, Pennsylvania











































                MS. JANET E. EVANS



            9   MS. SHERRY FANUCCI



                MR. WILLIAM COURTRIGHT



           12   MS. KAY GARVEY, CITY CLERK






           15   MR. AMIL MINORA, SOLICITOR


























            1   (Pledge of Allegiance recited and moment of reflection


            2   observed.)


            3                      MR. MCGOFF: Roll call.


            4                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.


            5                      MS. EVANS:  Here.


            6                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Gatelli.


            7                      MS. GATELLI.  Here.


            8                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.


            9                      MS. FANUCCI:  Here.


           10                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. Courtright.


           11                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Here.


           12                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF:  Here.  Dispense with


           14              the reading of the minutes.  Third Order.


           15                      MS. GARVEY: 3-A.  APPLICATIONS AND




           17              BOARD ON JULY 9, 2008.


           18                      MR. MCGOFF: Are there any comments?


           19              If not, received and filed.


           20                      MS. GARVEY: That's it for Third


           21              Order.


           22                      MR. MCGOFF: Any announcements?


           23              Mr. Courtright?


           24                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  I just have one.  A


           25              lot of people have been calling I'm sure






            1              more than us just me about houses that were


            2              condemned and they want condemned and they


            3              want torn down and we all got a copy of the


            4              list of what's going up for bid, so very


            5              quickly I'll read them and if you are


            6              interested there's a file in city hall in


            7              the council office.  They are due for


            8              demolition of 621-623 Rosen Court.  409 St.


            9              Francis Cabrini Avenue.  1215-1217 Division


           10              Street.  311 Fairview Street.  540 North


           11              Rebecca.  520 North Main Avenue.  122


           12              Hennessey Court.  1209-1211 Hampton Street.


           13              601-603 South Main Avenue and 713 and 715


           14              Eynon Street and I've looked at just about


           15              every one of those and they certainly need


           16              to be demolished, and I'm sure there are


           17              others, and I know there are others that


           18              need to be done and I'm sure there is some


           19              people that have said they are not on there,


           20              but if you call us we will see what you can


           21              do about them and that's all I have.  Thank


           22              you.


           23                      MS. EVANS: And on Saturday, July 26,


           24              there will a benefit for Kelly Osborne from


           25              1 to 6 p.m. at the Minooka Legion.  Kelly, a






            1              graduate of Scranton High School and a


            2              wonderful young woman, is in need of our


            3              help to pay for serious medical expenses.


            4              Tickets are $10 and can be purchased at the


            5              door or from members of the Minooka Lion's


            6              Club.  Please come to the Minooka American


            7              Legion on July 26 and help Kelly and her


            8              family.


            9                      The annual Solemn nine-day Novena to


           10              St. Ann will commence on Thursday, July 17,


           11              and conclude on Saturday July 26, the feast


           12              of St. Ann.  St. Ann's Basilica Shrine in


           13              West Scranton is one of 61 shrines and only


           14              11 basilicas throughout the United States.


           15              Tens of thousands of the faithful will visit


           16              St. Ann's Basilica throughout this ten-day


           17              period many from beyond Scranton.  I hope to


           18              see many of you there.


           19                      And the Scranton/Lackawanna County


           20              Taxpayers' Association conducted three swim


           21              events last week.  On Wednesday July 9, 101


           22              children from Sister Adrian's group were


           23              able to take advantage.  Saturday, July 12,


           24              552 children swam and used the slide


           25              including visitors to Nay Aug Park and on






            1              Sunday, July 13, 334 children from all of


            2              Lackawanna County and Scranton.  The grand


            3              total for the three days of free swimming is


            4              987 children.  The total cost for the three


            5              days is $2,075.  This money was donated by


            6              local businesses and private citizens.  The


            7              Kids Swim Free Program is still accepting


            8              donations.  Checks may be made payable to


            9              "Kids Swim Free" and donations may be mailed


           10              to Mr. William Jackowitz, 1416 South Webster


           11              Avenue, Scranton, PA, 18505.  This truly is


           12              a wonderful project for kids and


           13              Mr. Jackowitz tells me that all those nearly


           14              1,000 children truly enjoyed themselves last


           15              weekend, so, please, let's try to help.


           16                      MR. MCGOFF: Anyone else?  Andy


           17              Sbaraglia.


           18                      MR. SBARAGLIA: Andy Sbaraglia,


           19              citizen of the City of Scranton.  Fellow


           20              Scrantonians, I, too, was of course up at


           21              the pool for the swim free.  I'd like to


           22              really say something, not that it's


           23              derogatory to anybody, but the program is


           24              for families and not really groups, so I


           25              wish this to go out to anybody that wishes






            1              to sponsor a group that you sponsor a group.


            2              If they wish to come as a family, they are


            3              quite welcome, but we don't do groups


            4              without prior approval, so let me state that


            5              now so it goes out.  There was some


            6              confusion up there Sunday and there is no


            7              sense getting into it.  We paid for the kids


            8              no matter what, but we don't sponsor groups,


            9              only children.  If their group does come


           10              like Sister Adrian she made a prior


           11              commitment and we went out for her because


           12              the program was setup for children, really


           13              children and families, that's the whole idea


           14              of the program.  You come up with there with


           15              your kid, you maybe can't afford to get them


           16              all in or so forth and so on, we take care


           17              of that, you know, and it's only the adult


           18              that has to pay, we don't cover adults, of


           19              course, and that's the whole idea of the


           20              program.


           21                      If anybody looks back at it the


           22              reason it was really started was when all of


           23              the pools you had to pay for this is what


           24              really put the ball rolling into the


           25              program, but as it is now it's only Nay Aug






            1              we have to take care of and we are quite


            2              willing to do that because kids to get


            3              some -- I guess they like the slide because


            4              of the way they were running up and down


            5              there they had to.  So, enough on that.


            6                      MS. FANUCCI: Andy, let me just ask


            7              you, if they want to bring a group and they


            8              want a prior approval or whatever, what do


            9              they do just contact you guys and then --


           10                      MR. SBARAGLIA: Well, they have to


           11              contact Ozzie Quinn like Sister Adrian did,


           12              okay?  But, usually a person that's


           13              sponsoring a group, like, if I was


           14              sponsoring a group of up there I would


           15              sponsor the group, the pools and the rides.


           16              I would make a deal with the people who had


           17              the rides and the people at the pool and got


           18              the pavilion and that's the way it's done.


           19              You sponsor something you sponsor it.  Okay.


           20                   This insurance, let me give it to you


           21              here, this insurance of 5-C, the period goes


           22              back to January 1, 2008, could anybody


           23              explain why we were not covered from January


           24              1, 2008, to now because now you are


           25              ratifying some kind of agreement with these






            1              people?


            2                      MS. FANUCCI: Actually, we can answer


            3              that for you if you want an answer about the


            4              coverage or did you just want to talk about


            5              it?


            6                      MR. SBARAGLIA: No, that's okay if


            7              you can't answer it.


            8                      MS. FANUCCI: We can answer it.


            9                      MR. SBARAGLIA: Well, go ahead,


           10              answer it.  There isn't many people here.


           11                      MS. FANUCCI: Let me talk to Attorney


           12              Minora if you want to answer that.


           13                      MR. MINORA: I spoke to the city


           14              solicitor yesterday, I specifically asked if


           15              we had coverage in place for this


           16              ratification of prior actions which is "C",


           17              and for "D" which is the water slides and I


           18              was informed that we are covered, have been


           19              covered throughout.  "C" is a ratification


           20              of actions that have already taken place,


           21              "D" is a policy and position for the water


           22              slide, payment is due within 30 days I


           23              believe but, you know, there is a grace


           24              period.


           25                      MS. FANUCCI:  So we have been






            1              covered.


            2                      MR. MINORA: We have been covered the


            3              whole time.


            4                      MR. SBARAGLIA:  Well, we will find


            5              out anyway if there is any losses whether we


            6              were covered or not.  I read that on the


            7              water slide.  It's geared to the amount of


            8              people that use the pool, I don't exactly


            9              how many people use the pool, but there is a


           10              number, I don't even now you would be figure


           11              it out, how many people use the pool for


           12              that number to come off.  What is it, 30,000


           13              or something like that?  I don't have the


           14              legislation before me.  It's something like


           15              30,000 I think and I don't exactly how the


           16              coverage is, it's an odd way of saying


           17              anything.  Usually you would say for the


           18              season and that would be it, why they would


           19              put a number is a little questionable, but


           20              I'm sure they have their reasons, I just


           21              hope it's in our benefit and not in the


           22              insurance company's benefit because I read


           23              they are still fighting with that fence some


           24              more.


           25                      Okay, there really isn't much on the






            1              agenda other than you are on really putting


            2              out money for people again to go into some


            3              of these programs.  Center Street though


            4              stuck in my mind, that's, of course, the


            5              block.  Well, it will stay stuck.  Thank


            6              you.


            7                      MS. FANUCCI: Andy, I'll talk about


            8              that during my motions, the Center Street


            9              project.


           10                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you,


           11              Mr. Sbaraglia.  Mr. Quinn.


           12                      MR. QUINN:  Ozzie Quinn, Taxpayers'


           13              Association.  I, too, would like to speak


           14              about the Kids Swim for Free.  Because of


           15              the fact that I saw a great social injustice


           16              on Sunday when many observers have told me


           17              that a number of minorities that were able


           18              to swim for free and during the rest of the


           19              summer that are not was obvious on Sunday


           20              and I think it's ashame that this mayor and


           21              the Recreation Authority stopping those


           22              children, 15 and under, mainly from the Hill


           23              Section from given the opportunity to swim


           24              and it should be addressed because it's --


           25              people -- there should be social justice and






            1              this is definitely a violation of people's


            2              right to social justice.


            3                      MS. FANUCCI: Ozzie, can you tell us


            4              what happened?


            5                      MR. QUINN: No, I can tell you just


            6              observing the fact, not only myself, but the


            7              fact that it was like -- there was like


            8              30 percent Latin American, 30 percent


            9              Afro-Americans, and us whites, okay?  You go


           10              up there on any given Saturday or Sunday or


           11              whatever and you will not find that ratio.


           12              Thank you.


           13                      I also wanted to speak on the fact


           14              that they are taxpayers and they don't have


           15              a pool in the Hill section, we tried to


           16              address that to no avail.


           17                      Also, I want to address the fact in


           18              the Home Rule Charter, Section 313, the


           19              annual audit, Mrs. Gatelli, you can tell me


           20              where that is, okay, it was supposed to be


           21              published according to the Home Rule Charter


           22              on May 31, and what's outstanding and why it


           23              isn't being published or why.  You want to


           24              answer that before I leave, okay, because I


           25              don't want to -- after I leave.  The mayor






            1              continues to ignore things such as this, he


            2              ignores the time frame with capital


            3              improvements, given the Home Rule Charter.


            4              Last week, he circumvented the council


            5              approving sewer authority rates.  Last week


            6              it was a debacle when he ignored the


            7              ordinance and he was able to launder $10,000


            8              to the East Scranton Business Association


            9              through ECTV.  Now, also under the Home Rule


           10              Charter he ignores the Ethics Commission.


           11              So the mayor is rubbing his hands together


           12              to implement the Recovery Plan against the


           13              firefighters and the police unions after


           14              violating with his outrageous hiring in city


           15              government.


           16                      It's nothing short of anarchy when


           17              you see this going on continuously violating


           18              the Home Rule Charter which people elected--


           19              in which people elected you to follow


           20              through to see that that is enacted.  It's


           21              terrible to see that, but it's just total


           22              anarchy in city government and it's because


           23              of this mayor, there is no doubt about it.


           24                   I want to point out, also, the fact


           25              that this Saturday, this coming Saturday,






            1              the public is invited to participate in the


            2              Taxpayers' Association sponsored


            3              demonstration to be held on July 18,


            4              Saturday, at 11 a.m., meeting on the North


            5              Washington side of the Courthouse regarding


            6              the Recovery Plan, the Doherty debt, and the


            7              lack of abiding by the Home Rule Charter.


            8              Thank you very much.


            9                      MR. MCGOFF:  Thank you, Mr. Quinn.


           10              Mrs. Krake.


           11                      MS. KRAKE: Morning, Council.  I'm


           12              sure everyone is aware of the 29 percent


           13              increase in additional wage tax collection.


           14              How and more importantly why this


           15              administration chose to ignore the facts


           16              placed before them is a very important


           17              question that this council should be asking


           18              itself.  Those facts, 3 to $4 million each


           19              year in uncollected wage tax for the past


           20              six years, that could have netted the city


           21              $18 million.  Mr. McDowell did not allow the


           22              capable men and woman of that office to do


           23              their jobs and millions of dollars were left


           24              uncollected.  Mr. Doherty nor his council,


           25              three members of council, did not ask where






            1              the money was.  Three people who just


            2              listened to the mayor, Mrs. Gatelli,


            3              Mr. McGoff and Mrs. Fanucci, they did not


            4              listen to the workers who came to this


            5              podium, the people or Mrs. Evans and


            6              Mr. Courtright in questioning where that big


            7              chunk of money was that disappeared from our


            8              annual budget.


            9                      This entire situation is ultimately


           10              Mayor Doherty's fault.  The tax collector


           11              works for all of the cities and boroughs in


           12              Lackawanna County.  When the money doesn't


           13              come in the mayor, in our case Mayor


           14              Doherty, is responsible for holding the tax


           15              collector accountable.  Other Boroughs have


           16              approached that office and demanded their


           17              monies, not Scranton.  He willfully allowed


           18              the taxes to remain uncollected.  If his


           19              choice to leave the taxes uncollected was


           20              not deliberate then it must have been


           21              incompetency on his behalf.


           22                      The mayor has been able, however, to


           23              see his way clear to borrow so much money


           24              that a huge chunk of the money we need every


           25              year to run out city goes to pay off our






            1              debt.  Then he lumps up the homeowners even


            2              more with 27 percent tax increase on their


            3              property taxes.  The biggest hurt of all is


            4              the outrageous fines and penalties imposed


            5              on folks for desperately trying to pay the


            6              back taxes.  And, by the way, both of these


            7              items were supported by three people on


            8              council, Mrs. Gatelli, Mr. McGoff and


            9              Mrs. Fanucci.  All of these things have


           10              transpired while wage taxes were uncollected


           11              for six years.


           12                      This mayor promised to run our city


           13              like a business and instead he is running it


           14              like a train wreck and three people on this


           15              council are supporting that.  I'd also like


           16              to remind counsel that I'm still awaiting to


           17              see how much money has got into the coffers


           18              of Abrahamsen, Moran and Conaboy since they


           19              are being allowed to collect the outrageous


           20              fines and penalties.  I know that was


           21              requested, I hope you would continue to look


           22              into that.  Thank you.


           23                      MS. EVANS: Mrs. Krake, I do believe


           24              we received a response on that, I'll look


           25              for it for you and share it with you, but if






            1              memory serves me well I believe perhaps the


            2              figure made by that law firm was about


            3              $89,000.


            4                      MS. KRAKE: I'd like to see a


            5              breakdown, I'm sorry, I should have said


            6              that, I get a little nervous sometimes, but


            7              I would like to see it as I originally


            8              requested it broken down to what the tax


            9              was, what each as the ordinance was so if


           10              that could be done I would appreciate that.


           11                      MS. EVANS: Certainly.


           12                      MS. KRAKE: Thank you.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mrs. Krake.


           14              Mr. Gilroy.


           15                      MR. GILROY: Rich Gilroy, resident of


           16              Scranton.  I was here last week in regard to


           17              those dumpsters owned by the housing


           18              development on Curtis Lane, it's been like


           19              that for a year, I spoke to various


           20              inspectors about it and I was wondering


           21              what's going to be done about it?  They


           22              right back actually they are more closer to


           23              the homeowners that the tenants that live at


           24              that development.  They are right on the


           25              road.  Can anybody tell me if they heard






            1              anything about that?


            2                      MS. EVANS: I haven't heard anything


            3              about it, but may I ask you, what inspectors


            4              you have spoken to?


            5                      MR. GILROY:  I spoke to Mr. Liptai,


            6              I spoke to Mr. Lawless, Mr. Seitzinger last


            7              year.  I went to Mr. Shimkus' office, his


            8              secretary I spoke with she works for the


            9              mayor now, his confidential secretary I


           10              spoke with her, that was last year.  I spoke


           11              to the mayor twice, he said he would take


           12              care of it last year, last fall, still


           13              nothing done about it.


           14                      MS. EVANS: But of late since last


           15              week's meeting you have spoken with


           16              Mr. Liptai?


           17                      MR. GILROY: Mr. Liptai.  He went up


           18              on two properties, blighted properties, the


           19              one running a garage in a residential area,


           20              I observed them taking out maybe like last


           21              night ten tires in there.  You hear air


           22              compressors, you smell paint fumes, they


           23              have a -- there is a guy from Tunkhannock, I


           24              heard him say from Tunkhannock, they bring


           25              cars down there to get repaired.  They also






            1              have a junk business which Mr. Liptai went


            2              up there and investigated it.  There is


            3              still -- they moved them dumpsters, you got


            4              little kids crawling in there and picking


            5              out cans and all kinds of aluminium and they


            6              are stashing it, they got to be stashing it


            7              somewhere because I seen them go on the


            8              property but it's in the either in -- they


            9              might even be taking them in the house or


           10              hiding the in the garage, I don't know, but


           11              it shouldn't be.


           12                      MS. EVANS: I agree, but I think


           13              since Mr. Liptai has been out there


           14              obviously he would have spoken with the


           15              property owners and asked for or directed


           16              that the situation be cleared and then they


           17              are given a certain amount of time in which


           18              to comply with that and then if they have


           19              failed to do so then they are cited by the


           20              Office of Licensing and Inspection.


           21                      MR. GILROY: Getting back to those


           22              dumpsters, my mom has lived there 20 years,


           23              no lids on them.


           24                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Sir, I have an


           25              answer for you that if you want to hear it.






            1              I spoke to the woman who runs, I call it


            2              Townhouse, what are they calling it, Village


            3              Park, I spoke to her because you brought up


            4              issues and a lot of different issues, there


            5              are police officers there, they are not


            6              there seven days a week, but they are there,


            7              she gave me the officer's name, I checked,


            8              they are there, I asked her about the


            9              dumpsters, the reason they don't have lids


           10              on the dumpsters is the fact that there is a


           11              large amount of children living in this


           12              development and they are afraid if a child


           13              were to climb into that dumpster and the lid


           14              slammed closed the kid could be trapped in


           15              there, that's the reason there is no lids on


           16              the dumpsters.


           17                      MR. GILROY:  Mr. Courtright, my mom


           18              is there, there was an enormous amount of


           19              children living there, my mom is there


           20              20 years and there was always lids on them.


           21              She is a good talker, she is in the real


           22              estate, too, she could win and Academy


           23              Award.  Once you talk to her, forget it, she


           24              turns everybody's mind around.  Good talker.


           25                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Well, Mr. Liptai is






            1              looking into it, I'm sure he will talk to


            2              her.


            3                      MR. GILROY: Like I said, the one


            4              over there, this housing development over


            5              here has lids on them.  I checked it before


            6              I came here.  Midtown Apartments, in that


            7              development he had one entrance, one


            8              entrance and there should be two entrances


            9              and in Scranton, don't we an ordinance for


           10              two entrances, she only has one and they had


           11              the one apartment there was nine people


           12              parked there and the one tenant was changing


           13              oil and dumping it into the -- there is a


           14              drain there and I went down to the office


           15              about it, changing oil and dumping the oil


           16              down the drain and all of a sudden now they


           17              parked the seven vehicles down by Fiorelli's


           18              and leave two vehicles there, they had nine


           19              total.  She has an enormous number of


           20              people, that's the low income housing.  She


           21              gets money from HUD for a lot of projects


           22              she does there.


           23                      And the house next to my mom, which


           24              is 106 Mt. Vernon Avenue, that shed, one of


           25              her tenants knocked it out the foundation,






            1              well, it's so rotted now the whole side of


            2              it has a big hole in it and there was


            3              skunks, in back the grass is all the way


            4              into the top of the shed and outside of the


            5              fence, too.  The front of the house, the


            6              grass is high, and that's all blight.  And


            7              1108 where they're running that illegal


            8              garage, you know, that was condemned that


            9              one time and the base of it was flooded and


           10              they are still living in there.  Everybody


           11              in the neighborhood doesn't know how they


           12              could live in a place that's flooded and


           13              there is an enormous amount of people living


           14              in that place, too.


           15                      But, I would like you to check that


           16              about that one entrance on the housing


           17              development.  I notice the ones in town have


           18              two entrances, that only has one.  We don't


           19              want everybody doesn't know how she got away


           20              with that.


           21                      And another issue I'd like to bring


           22              up with the fireworks, we cannot figure out


           23              how they can afford to buy like them rocket


           24              launchers, shoot them over and aim them at


           25              homeowner's property, my mom has property






            1              damage there, we just got the police report


            2              the other day.  The one fan on the house is


            3              damaged, that has to be repaired.  She


            4              should have a letter sent to them about


            5              those fireworks.  You shouldn't be allowed


            6              to do that.  When I was a kid the only thing


            7              we had was sparklers.  My mom and I always


            8              say about the professionals, let them worry


            9              about the fireworks.  We always looked at


           10              the stadium to see them, but they shoot


           11              them, it's like a regular fireworks display


           12              and it goes on a week before the Fourth of


           13              July and when I came here last Tuesday they


           14              were still shooting them off, so they got a


           15              lot of money to burn.  So she would be sent


           16              a letter about that, too, sir, about the


           17              fireworks.


           18                      MR. MCGOFF: It's obvious we are


           19              trying to look into it, it's been --


           20                      MR. GILROY: And one more issue is


           21              them condemned properties, there is three of


           22              them up the street.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF: Mr. Gilroy, we have


           24              passed all of the information on.  Thank


           25              you.






            1                      MR. GILROY: Mr. McGoff, that house


            2              been empty for ten years.  There is rodents


            3              and everything.  It's terrible.  Probably


            4              cat feces and everything in there.  You


            5              wouldn't want to live up there, I told you


            6              we had a drug problem and everything ten


            7              years ago there.


            8                      MR. MCGOFF: It's being looked into.


            9                      MR. GILROY: Well, that's what I was


           10              told last year about the dumpsters, too,


           11              about the lids, but a year later the same


           12              problem.  Thank you.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF: Anyone else?


           14                      MR. HUBBARD: Good evening, Council,


           15              Daniel Hubbard, Lower Greenridge


           16              Neighborhood Association.  Mrs. Fanucci, I'd


           17              like the date and the time of the flood


           18              siren test, please.  You can -- when I'm


           19              done.  That test was supposed to be


           20              conducted when Mr. Parker was still with the


           21              DPW.


           22                      MS. FANUCCI: It was.  Thank you.


           23                      MR. HUBBARD: It was conducted during


           24              daylight hours when most of the residents of


           25              lower Greenridge were at work.  Mr. Parker






            1              and I had an argument over the issue because


            2              I wanted the test done either on a weekend


            3              or in an evening so that the residents would


            4              be home.  It was also done during a clear


            5              day.  The sirens are rated at 127 decibels.


            6              The project was originally designed for


            7              three sirens so that the signal would


            8              overlap all three neighborhoods.  The RFP


            9              called for three sirens, the community


           10              development block grant money that was


           11              pulled out by Mary Alice Burke back then was


           12              for three sirens.


           13                      A normal conversation or what we are


           14              having now is anywhere from 60 to 70


           15              decibels, 127 decibel siren sounding during


           16              the rain that we had the night before last


           17              would not be heard two blocks away.  We


           18              received over two inches of rain the other


           19              night in under two hours.  The Lackawanna


           20              River went from 1.9 feet to 4.5 feet in


           21              45 minutes.  The sirens wouldn't have


           22              sounded because the Plot and Park Place were


           23              the Middle Street siren is are fully


           24              protected by levies.


           25                      Yes, our flood project is ongoing in






            1              our neighborhood right now, but we are still


            2              at our most vulnerable stage as the Army


            3              Corp likes to state.  They are cutting into


            4              an existing riverbank to put new storm


            5              draining systems in, so at least once a week


            6              we have a full river bank.  A rain event we


            7              had last night for another two hours, say


            8              three inches of rain would have put the


            9              river at 6 to 7 feet which would have been


           10              flood stage in our neighborhood.  That


           11              original flood system was designed for three


           12              sirens.  The new sirens are 130 decibels,


           13              the manufacturers actually increased the


           14              siren decibel level. City traffic in your


           15              car with your windows up is 85 decibels, so


           16              you know what that sounds like when you are


           17              sitting in your car downtown, so tell me you


           18              are going to hear 127 decibel siren in


           19              torrential downpours with thunder and


           20              lighting at 2:30 in the morning in your


           21              house while you are sleeping.


           22                      I don't want to have to carry my


           23              83-year-old father out of the house through


           24              knee deep water again because nobody, and I


           25              mean nobody, Mrs. Fanucci, came to Lower






            1              Greenridge to notify us that the water was


            2              coming up the riverbank in 2006 irregardless


            3              of what Director Hayes said, the police


            4              department was unable to get to lower


            5              Greenridge because Market Street, Greenridge


            6              Street, Atlantic Street, the Greenridge


            7              Street bridge were all flooded out.


            8                      This original system was designed


            9              for three sirens, Bloomsburg just erected


           10              one for their residents and they put one in


           11              that is twice as large as what was needed,


           12              they spent 40 grand of block development --


           13              or community development money to put it in.


           14              You have a $120,000 on the agenda tonight,


           15              today, I'm sorry, $215,000 on the agenda


           16              today going out to businesses, a winery and


           17              a pizza place are getting money today, but


           18              this city can't come up with -- we can do a


           19              shell game for ten grand, but we can't come


           20              up with $20,000 of community development for


           21              a flood siren which we were originally


           22              supposed to get because this system was


           23              designed for three sirens.  They make larger


           24              sirens, but they didn't put the larger ones


           25              in because there were supposed to be three






            1              sirens that would overlap each other.


            2                      I have here -- I have all the


            3              paperwork from the manufacturer, it was


            4              submitted to OECD under Mrs. Hailstone, I


            5              guess we know that was shoved under the


            6              table, so, I mean, what's the problem here?


            7                   This city, this council majority, this


            8              city is giving money left and right to


            9              businesses.  I mean, hey, I like Fratelli's


           10              they have good food, but I'd rather have a


           11              siren.  It's $20,000.  You are shell gaming


           12              ten grand to ECTV, the mayor's playing money


           13              games, a 600 and some thousand dollar


           14              treehouse, a 1.2 million bridge to nowhere,


           15              sure, that all looks great.  What about the


           16              safety, health and welfare of the residents


           17              of the City of Scranton?  It's a three siren


           18              system.  It's not like I'm asking the city


           19              to spend money that's going to hurt it's


           20              budget.  It's not like I'm asking the city


           21              to take food out of people's mouths.  It's


           22              grant money.  If Bloomsburg can do it why


           23              the hell can't the City of Scranton do it.


           24              If you did it for two other neighborhoods


           25              why won't you do it for ours?






            1                      And I don't want to hear about a


            2              test because the same argument I had with


            3              Mr. Parker if you want to test a flood siren


            4              you test it in real world conditions.  Where


            5              is the decibel level of the siren that was


            6              taken at my mother's house, because you know


            7              what?  I went on and did the research on


            8              decibel levels and earshot, earshot is what


            9              you said last week, "You are within earshot


           10              of the siren at your house, Mrs. Hubbard."


           11                      Earshot is not listed.  They don't


           12              have a listing for earshot as a decibel


           13              level.


           14                      MS. FANUCCI:  Oh, Daniel, God bless


           15              you.


           16                      MR. HUBBARD: God bless me?  Mrs.


           17              Fanucci --


           18                      MS. FANUCCI: No, let me finish.


           19                      MR. HUBBARD: When was the last time


           20              you had to get six people out of --


           21                      MS. FANUCCI: Now, Daniel, your time


           22              is finished and it is time for me to respond


           23              after you finish.  I certainly have no


           24              problem with you getting a siren, Daniel.


           25                      MR. HUBBARD: Then why didn't you --






            1                      MS. FANUCCI:  I went with you, if


            2              you recall, I went with you to talk about


            3              this issue for two hours of my time so that


            4              you could get a siren.


            5                      MR. HUBBARD: You guys were going to


            6              open the budget.


            7                      MS. FANUCCI:  Wait.  Please step


            8              away from the microphone your time is over,


            9              let me finish what I'm saying.  Now, I have


           10              no problem in getting a siren, we all


           11              actually all unanimously said we wanted a


           12              siren, all five of us.  We wanted that extra


           13              siren, I am telling what your mom came up


           14              last week and asked me I am telling you the


           15              information I received.  Whether you like it


           16              or not, I'm giving you the information.


           17              Don't come back at me because you don't like


           18              the information I am providing you.


           19                      MR. HUBBARD: You're a unanimous


           20              body--


           21                      MR. MCGOFF: Could we address this


           22              during motions, please?  Can we address


           23              this --


           24                      MS. EVANS: Mr. McGoff, just one


           25              thing that I think may help him, I don't






            1              know if you have done this before, but as


            2              president of the Greenridge --


            3                      MS. GATELLI: That's not fair.  I


            4              don't mean to cut you off, but if you are


            5              going to let one council member answer a


            6              person then we all should be allowed to


            7              answer them.


            8                      MS. FANUCCI: Right.


            9                      MR. MCGOFF: You are right, and we


           10              all agreed that we would not do that.


           11                      MS. GATELLI:  Well, you just told


           12              Sherry to stop talking and let Mrs. Evans


           13              talk so it's not fair.  Either we are all


           14              going to be able to answer people or none of


           15              us answer people.  So, let's make a decision


           16              now.  You know, we got into a debate with


           17              Kevin Murphy last week for 20 minutes.


           18                      MS. EVANS: Well, no, I wouldn't --


           19                      MS. GATELLI: Is that fair to Dave


           20              Gervasi this week or is that fair to Dan


           21              Hubbard that we can't talk to him for


           22              20 minutes?  It's not fair.  So, either go


           23              by the rules or we change the rules because


           24              the rest of these people here would all like


           25              20 minutes, a diatribe for 20 minutes.






            1              Wouldn't you like one, Dave?


            2                      MR. GERVASI: I do a lot.


            3                      MS. EVANS: I think we --


            4                      MS. GATELLI: We need to make a


            5              decision.


            6                      MS. EVANS:  -- have had more that


            7              Mr. Murphy and I don't believe that would


            8              have been 20 minutes actually, but I think


            9              we have allowed Mr. Munchak the week before


           10              to speak well over his time --


           11                      MS. FANUCCI: Either we are doing it


           12              or we're not doing it.  I'm not going to get


           13              off during trying to answer a question and


           14              then you allowed to answer a question or I'm


           15              not allowed.


           16                      MS. EVANS: I think we should be


           17              allowed to respond to residents.


           18                      MS. GATELLI:  But I think it should


           19              be when they're gone and not back and forth.


           20                      MR. MCGOFF: We will address any


           21              questions during motions.  Thank you.


           22              Mr. Gervasi.


           23                      MR. GERVASI: Good morning.  My name


           24              is Dave Gervasi, firefighter with the City,


           25              City of Scranton resident.  I'd like to jump






            1              into this conversation if you don't mind, I


            2              think everybody worries about being too much


            3              on rules, I have to agree with all of you, I


            4              don't think it actually should be all or


            5              nothing, I think this council should be able


            6              to address, each member of this council


            7              should be able to address any citizen that


            8              comes up here who has a concern.


            9                      If Mrs. Fanucci has something to say


           10              I think if it takes her ten minutes to say


           11              it what's wrong with that?  I think what


           12              Mrs. Gatelli is saying is that sometimes


           13              people get extra time, I think I have been


           14              up here eight minutes at one point, but, I


           15              mean, if there is something important going


           16              on, I mean, man, let people speak from this


           17              podium and you guys by all means should have


           18              a right to speak all you want.  Answer,


           19              discuss, debate, I mean, isn't that what


           20              democracy is?  All I see with rules is


           21              oppressing people, whether it's council


           22              people or people from the public.  I think


           23              it should be a free for all, it's democracy.


           24                      But, anyway, to get back to what I


           25              came here to say.  I told Mr. Pocius






            1              something a long time ago, many years ago


            2              that I'd hate to come up here at some point


            3              in the future and say, "I told you so," and


            4              I said I wasn't going to get any pleasure


            5              out of coming up here and saying, "I told


            6              you so," these were long debates that we had


            7              years ago on a totally different makeup of


            8              this council, and it seems like a lot of


            9              things are coming to light at this point and


           10              we have been here, myself and Mrs. Krake,


           11              Mrs. Stulgis, many of the speakers,


           12              especially Mr. Sbaraglia, Mrs. Schumacher,


           13              and when you have independent audits and you


           14              have true financial figures of the city


           15              within your possession and you start reading


           16              them you realize what you read in the


           17              newspaper what is basically coming from this


           18              administration is false.


           19                      We are told over and over again that


           20              there is no money to pay for a fair contract


           21              with police and firefighters, we are told


           22              there is no money for flood sirens, there is


           23              no money to let kids swim for free, and as


           24              time goes on the newspaper has to print what


           25              is actually going on.  Just recently we






            1              found out that no one was paying --  lots of


            2              people weren't paying taxes.  Apparently,


            3              they must have gotten nervous because the


            4              FBI was in town and all of a sudden people


            5              just had this epiphany that, wow, I must


            6              have to pay my wage taxes, so now we


            7              increased by $4 million.  Like I spoke on


            8              last week and a million times before, I have


            9              to correct myself.  Last week I made a


           10              statement that the city at the end of 2006


           11              had a year end fund balance of $11.7 million


           12              and I was incorrect.  The exact number is


           13              $11,112,372.00.


           14                      So, to put this in perspective, the


           15              police and firefighters haven't received


           16              anything.  I was here months ago and gave


           17              you a complete breakdown to take it from the


           18              city's own documents, the city's own


           19              independent audits and the city's own


           20              budgets and our budget has increased since


           21              Mayor Doherty took office by approximately


           22              $26 million.  It has cost the City of


           23              Scranton for the police and fire department


           24              approximately $373,000 more than it did


           25              since 2002, so where did the $26 million






            1              come from?  This is another part of the


            2              puzzle.


            3                      Mrs. Krake has been coming to this


            4              meeting I believe for at least five years


            5              talking about the problems at the tax


            6              office.  No one is paying their taxes.  They


            7              stopped going after -- they stopped actually


            8              came back from collecting delinquencies.


            9              What people don't realize is that the


           10              collection is now up 4.8 million dollars on


           11              top of an $11 million surplus and for 1


           12              second you think you sit there and let Mayor


           13              Doherty borrow anymore money?


           14                      Moody's, which is your standard on


           15              finances within municipalities, says you


           16              need to have at least a 5 percent


           17              contingency fund balance, that's proper,


           18              that's a proper thing to have within the


           19              municipality in case you have an emergency.


           20              We may now right now be sitting on a


           21              29 percent contingency, but there is no


           22              money to give a flood siren, we can't let


           23              the kids swim for free, we can't give the


           24              police and firemen a cost of living


           25              adjustment over the last seven years.






            1                      It's baloney.  It's always been


            2              baloney and it's been a lie, and the lie was


            3              that if he can continue to look like he is


            4              broke that way he will continue to borrow


            5              money so he can do all of his pet projects


            6              so, so he can get all of his photo op's, so


            7              he can become Congressman Doherty or Senator


            8              Doherty or Auditor General Doherty or


            9              whatever Doherty he wants to be in his next


           10              step in his political career.  It's been


           11              false.  It's been completely false and now


           12              when you see these things coming to light


           13              don't believe it anymore.  Thank you very


           14              much.


           15                      MR. MCGOFF:  Thank you, Mr. Gervasi.


           16              Mrs. Schumacher.


           17                      MS. SCHUMACHER: Good morning.  Marie


           18              Schumacher, city resident.  Regarding 5-E,


           19              inasmuch as this business received a


           20              $130,000 loan approval on October 12, 2006,


           21              I'm wondering how much principal remains on


           22              that loan?  Also, how much funding will


           23              remain in the economic development loan


           24              program.


           25                      Also, I understand these economic






            1              development administration loans must be


            2              used to leverage private investments of at


            3              least two dollars for every dollar of EDA


            4              investment.  Can you please share a


            5              description of this $390,000 eligible


            6              project?  Mrs. Fanucci, perhaps you could


            7              respond to this in motions.


            8                      Also, in motions I would ask


            9              Mrs. Gatelli to provide the estimated


           10              availability date for the 2007 audit.  In


           11              January we were told the investigation of


           12              the fire that took the mortal lives of


           13              Captain Robeson and the Feinstermachers by


           14              the federal agency would take six months or


           15              more.  Since six months have passed could we


           16              please have an update as to when this report


           17              will be completed?  I guess this one falls


           18              into Mr. Courtright's court.


           19                      Now, moving onto several


           20              disappointments.  This month marks the first


           21              anniversary of two incidents that occurred


           22              at the Sewer Authority property off Cedar


           23              Avenue.  In one incident someone drove a


           24              front-end loader which is parked on the


           25              property across the lot, through a chain






            1              link fence, then drove through the chain


            2              link fence again at which time the vehicle


            3              began to leak fluids.  Then this vehicle was


            4              driven back across the lot, through the side


            5              wall of the building.


            6                      In another incident last July, 30


            7              15-foot aluminum pipes were taken from the


            8              property.  At a Sewer Authority meeting I


            9              heard a description of their security system


           10              which includes lock gates and surveillance


           11              cameras.  I'm disappointed neither of these


           12              crimes have been solved. According to the


           13              police department incident report, review of


           14              the camera tapes place was left to the


           15              Scranton Sewer Authority personnel not


           16              trained police officers.


           17                      A few days ago I read the police


           18              department has a software package that can


           19              compensate for low lights, blurriness and


           20              other quality issues, so I'm left to wonder


           21              why physical evidence including footage from


           22              the surveillance cameras weren't collected


           23              from the Scranton Sewer Authority crime


           24              scenes as they reportedly were for a recent


           25              shooting incident at Midtown apartments.






            1                   The next disappointment was finding a


            2              public notice for an OECD public hearing


            3              buried on page J-6 of an employment market


            4              place special section instead of the public


            5              notice section of the paper on page E-9.


            6              Since nine days have passed without


            7              correction, I am forced to believe burying


            8              this public notice was intentional.  This is


            9              very disappointing and I think it's sad.  I


           10              think that should being resubmitted to the


           11              paper and all dates should be accordingly


           12              moved up so people have enough time to


           13              prepare and that public notice should appear


           14              in public notices not buried in employment


           15              sections.


           16                      Yesterday we learned wage tax


           17              collections for the city are up 29 percent


           18              over last year.  I'm disappointed that the


           19              majority of council did not investigate the


           20              declining wage tax revenue which has been


           21              pointed out by council speakers over the


           22              past several years, very disappointed.


           23                        Finally, I have a request, would


           24              council please petition the county


           25              commissioners to maintain the original






            1              reassessment schedule?  Many property owners


            2              have been overpaying for decades and it is


            3              time to get some relief.  When I returned to


            4              Scranton I was delighted to find the


            5              assessor's data base on-line.  I began


            6              making comparisons and rapidly became upset.


            7              I found my mother's modest home with


            8              1,140 square feet of living space and a one


            9              car garage was assessed a mere $250 less


           10              than a property across town with 4,860


           11              square feet of living space and a three-car


           12              garage.  This, of course, is the mayor's


           13              home which has been described as a mansion.


           14              A mansion appraised at $250 more than my


           15              mom's modest home.


           16                      Of course, I appealed, but we need


           17              action on this and I encourage the City of


           18              Scranton council to encourage the


           19              commissioners to keep to the original


           20              schedule.  Too many people have been


           21              overpaying for too long.  Thank you.


           22                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mrs.


           23              Schumacher.


           24                      MR. MCCLOE: Good morning.  My name


           25              is Brett McCloe, Scranton taxpayer,






            1              homeowner.  Last week I had made a statement


            2              about how Scranton reminded me of a society


            3              and a system of government that defined


            4              Europe between the 9th and 15th century, it


            5              was called a futile system.  Here are some


            6              other terms from Webster's dictionary that


            7              may define our local government and our


            8              society.


            9                      Plutocracy:  Government by the


           10              wealthy.  A controlling class of wealthy.


           11              I'm not necessarily talking about wealthy


           12              people, I'm talking about wealthy


           13              institutions, the kind that makes you think


           14              and wonder if there are more lobbyists in


           15              Scranton than in Washington, D.C.


           16                      Kleptocracy:  Government by those


           17              who seek status and personal gain at the


           18              expense of those they govern.  Sound


           19              familiar?  Enough said.


           20                      Aristocracy: Government by the best


           21              individuals by a small privileged class.  A


           22              government in which power is best in a


           23              minority consisting of those believed to be


           24              the best qualified.  A governing body of


           25              upper class usually made up of hereditary






            1              nobility.  The aggregate or sum total of


            2              those believed to be superior.


            3                      The only thing missing from this


            4              definition is the word perceived, perceived


            5              best individual, perceived best qualified,


            6              perceived superiority.  I think it's


            7              important for people of this city to


            8              understand the exact nature of this society


            9              we live in reference to everything and


           10              everyone else around us.  I think most will


           11              find that all four terms are alive and well


           12              within our local government and in our


           13              society.  What role do you play?


           14                   Mr. Courtright, I have to give you a


           15              hand for inadvertently showing your


           16              discomfort when faced with spending money to


           17              hire a city engineer.  In a way the citizens


           18              of this city should be thankful not so much


           19              for your decision, but the way you let the


           20              citizens know of your discomfort and why.  I


           21              have been a waiter for many years and I have


           22              watched thousands upon thousands of people


           23              make decisions.  You begin to understand


           24              what how and why people order what they do.


           25              I actually enjoy watching people make






            1              decisions.  I try to use that ability


            2              whenever I come to these council meetings.


            3                   For instance, the four -- the vote to


            4              subpoena Mr. McDowell, two council members


            5              voted for the subpoena because they felt a


            6              genuine injustice for the taxpayer.


            7                      Two council members stated they


            8              voted for it because of the possibility that


            9              money benefitting their own departments and


           10              one didn't say much and just went along for


           11              the ride.  At any rate, you did what you had


           12              to do and it shows that you have a


           13              conscience.


           14                      Different is the one size fits all


           15              3-2 drive through made politics we have all


           16              grown accustom to with this administration


           17              and the majority of the city council.  Where


           18              conscience will quite often take a back seat


           19              to an ideology because with strong ideology


           20              based on progress at any cost conscience is


           21              no longer needed and is actually a nuisance.


           22              The phrase let your conscience be your guide


           23              is of no use to an opportunist.


           24                      One last note, to those people who


           25              think we who come up here to speak at






            1              council meetings are pessimists, in my


            2              opinion it is far better to think that the


            3              glass of water is half empty when you are


            4              forced to drink what you know is in it.


            5              Thank you.


            6                      MR. SLEDENZSKI: Hello, is that your


            7              article?


            8                      MR. COURTRIGHT: You're famous now.


            9              Famous.  Look at that, Chris Sledenzski.


           10                      MS. GATELLI: Be sure to show Tippy.


           11                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  He will be jealous


           12              of you.  Very nice, Chris.  Very nice, yes,


           13              sir.


           14                      MR. SLEDENZSKI: I'll tell you,


           15              Billy, that bridge over here, Bill, the


           16              Lackawanna bridge, Bill, are they working on


           17              that?  They are ripping the whole bridge


           18              over there, that bridge over there?


           19                      MR. COURTRIGHT: They are working on


           20              it.


           21                      MR. SLEDENZSKI:  All right, Bill.


           22              Thanks, Billy.


           23                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Okay, you're


           24              welcome, Chris.


           25                      MR. LYMAN: Raymond Lyman.  I got






            1              some questions for you, Mrs. Evans, and city


            2              council.  Number one, Mrs. Evans, one of the


            3              neighborhood people who live in Pinebrook


            4              down in the field, the Pinebrook field there


            5              is graffiti on a slide and I was wondering


            6              if I don't know if it's the Rec Authority or


            7              city council could do something about it and


            8              the basketball hoops are vandalized and I


            9              wants to know if something can be done about


           10              that since you can spend $60,000 on trees in


           11              my opinion it's ridiculous.


           12                      And since for years I complained


           13              about this catch basin, now, we have roots


           14              growing in the catch basin and it destroyed


           15              the pipe and now sewage in the sewer drain


           16              is destroyed.  I got photos, I want to show


           17              you, Mrs. Evans, and I want something done.


           18              I talked to Chris Doherty after six years 25


           19              minutes, this was his words that he told me,


           20              and I don't want you guys to tell me I'm out


           21              of order, he told me, "Put your hand on your


           22              behind and you will never get it done."


           23                      Those were his words.  The people in


           24              Pinebrook are outraged and they are


           25              screaming at me and they said, "Well, you're






            1              going to be the next Mayor of Scranton."


            2                      MS. EVANS: Mr. Lyman --


            3                      MR. LYMAN: Now they are all


            4              screaming about it.


            5                      MS. EVANS: Mr. Lyman, what's the


            6              address?


            7                      MR. LYMAN: The 300 block of Phelp


            8              Street.  And, Mrs. Gatelli, since you are


            9              supposed to be -- they are still saying that


           10              you are the head of the South Side


           11              Neighborhood Association?


           12                      MS. GATELLI: No, I'm not.  That's


           13              Wayne Evans.


           14                      MR. LYMAN:  Well, that's what some


           15              people are still saying.


           16                      MS. GATELLI: Well, I don't know who


           17              tells you all of these things, Ray, but it's


           18              not true.  It's Wayne Evans.


           19                      MR. LYMAN: Well, maybe Wayne Evans


           20              or you, maybe you can talk to the mayor and


           21              do something about it because people are


           22              screaming.


           23                      MS. GATELLI:  I talk to Jerry


           24              Richardson on a regular basis and he never


           25              told me anything.






            1                      MR. LYMAN: Well, Jerry Richardson --


            2                      MS. GATELLI:  He is the president of


            3              Pinebrook.


            4                      MR. LYMAN: Well, Jerry Richardson,


            5              he don't want to do nothing.


            6                      MS. GATELLI:  Well, I think he has


            7              done a fine job in his neighborhood.


            8                      MR. LYMAN: Well, last Thursday when


            9              I was coming to the Taxpayers' Association


           10              an 86-year-old woman in a Jazzy got hit by a


           11              car on the 600 block of Capouse Avenue, you


           12              know where Kevin's is, but you know where


           13              that old building is down there, past that,


           14              the sidewalks are deteriorated down to the


           15              rebar, two Scranton cops came up to me and


           16              they said, "Well, ain't you the president of


           17              the Pinebrook Association?"


           18                      I said, "No, I'm not."


           19                      And they said, "Well, why don't you


           20              fix the sidewalk?"


           21                      I said, "I never got any block


           22              grants or nothing," I said, "Jerry


           23              Richardson got it and he gave it all to


           24              Mayor Doherty for that stupid western --


           25              Weston Field pool thing."






            1                      And I said, "Hey, you two cops are


            2              part of Mayor Doherty's police force," I


            3              said, "Don't be screaming at me," I said,


            4              "That old lady should have never got hit and


            5              those sidewalks should have been fixed."


            6                      We never got anything from


            7              Pinebrook.  Providence Road got all new


            8              sidewalks, they got a clock put there, South


            9              Side got trees, they got all sidewalks, we


           10              never got anything from Pinebrook.  Nothing.


           11              And our neighborhood looks like a war zone


           12              with all of the crime and people are asking


           13              what happened to the beat cop, we only had


           14              them two days and crime is running around


           15              rampant like Gotham City down there.  We


           16              have teens running around and people are


           17              scared for their lives.


           18                      And, Mrs. Fanucci, now your house on


           19              Colfax Avenue is up for sale, where are you


           20              living?


           21                      MR. MCGOFF: Mr. Lyman, that is not--


           22                      MS. FANUCCI: I think on Colfax


           23              Avenue, Ray.


           24                      MR. LYMAN:  No, that house is


           25              abandoned, it's up for sale.






            1                      MS. FANUCCI: Oh, it is?


            2                      MR. LYMAN: It's up for sale.  I was


            3              at that house.


            4                      MS. FANUCCI: It's abandoned?


            5                      MR. MCGOFF: Mr. Lyman --


            6                      MS. FANUCCI: I better tell my


            7              daughter to evacuate quickly.


            8                      MR. LYMAN: That house is up for sale


            9              and I was there.


           10                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Ray, change the


           11              subject, buddy.


           12                      MR. MCGOFF: Mr. Lyman, that's --


           13                      MS. FANUCCI: Raymond, you have been


           14              hanging around my house?  I don't know if


           15              you want to go there.


           16                      MR. LYMAN:  I was at that house on


           17              Colfax Avenue.


           18                      MS. EVANS:  Mr. Lyman, can we go


           19              back to the graffiti on the slide?  Where --


           20              can you give me the location for that?


           21                      MR. LYMAN: The slide, the Pinebrook


           22              field down in --


           23                      MS. EVANS: Pinebrook field.  Thank


           24              you.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr. Lyman.






            1                      MR. LYMAN: Well, Mr. McGoff, you


            2              allowed people to speak for 20 minutes and I


            3              should speak for 20 minutes.


            4                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.


            5                      MR. LYMAN: Just like my lawyer said


            6              since I filed a lawsuit for violation of my


            7              civil rights and since last week I didn't


            8              speak for five minutes I am going to speak a


            9              little longer.


           10                      MR. MCGOFF: Mr. Lyman, your time is


           11              up.


           12                      MS. FANUCCI: Ray, can you give those


           13              pictures to Neil, please?


           14                      MR. LYMAN: I already gave the


           15              pictures to Mrs. Evans and I asked you a


           16              question, Miss Fanucci.


           17                      MS. FANUCCI: Ray, can you give those


           18              pictures to Neil right now?


           19                      MR. COURTRIGHT: The other pictures.


           20                      MS. FANUCCI:  The other pictures.


           21                      MR. LYMAN: Oh, this picture I have,


           22              Mrs. Fanucci, I asked you a question, where


           23              do you live at?


           24                      MR. MCGOFF: Mr. Lyman, your time is


           25              finished.






            1                      MS. FANUCCI:  Officer, I would like


            2              you to get those pictures, please.


            3                      MR. MCGOFF: Please leave the podium.


            4              Thank you.


            5                      MS. FANUCCI: You need to get those


            6              pictures off of him.


            7                      MR. MCGOFF: Anyone else?


            8                      MS. HUBBARD: Good morning, Council,


            9              Liz Hubbard, Scranton resident.  I just have


           10              a couple of questions, getting back to the


           11              flood siren issue, why can't the Council


           12              provide the funds for the flood siren?


           13                      MS. EVANS: Actually, Mrs. Hubbard,


           14              what I was as trying to tell your son


           15              earlier was that I wanted to suggest that


           16              the Greenrdige, the lower Greenridge


           17              Neighborhood Association file an application


           18              for a CDBG grant for the siren.  Now, of


           19              course we all know that the mayor through


           20              the office of OECD selects the projects that


           21              are be funded.  However, that must come


           22              before city council for a vote and when that


           23              occurs city council has the ability to


           24              include other projects, to delete projects


           25              that the mayor might have suggested and






            1              since I believe, as Mrs. Fanucci said, all


            2              five members of council are in favor of your


            3              neighborhood receiving a siren, even though


            4              you would not have been let's say


            5              hypothetically selected by the mayor to


            6              receive the $20,000, city council can


            7              certainly inject into that list for approval


            8              the $20,000 for a siren for the lower


            9              Greenridge Neighborhood Association and then


           10              you will receive it.


           11                      MS. HUBBARD: You can't just get that


           12              done out of your budget, or doesn't council


           13              have a budget?


           14                      MS. EVANS: Actually, city council's


           15              budget is solely underfunded.


           16                      MS. HUBBARD: I'm sure.  I know the


           17              city isn't really needed, we just need the


           18              funding.  Private land can be used for it,


           19              and I don't know why we are not getting it.


           20              I mean, there is money for everything else


           21              except a flood siren for lower Greenridge,


           22              and I think Daniel pointed out they are


           23              doing this subsurface work now and moving


           24              the sewer lines and the water lines and gas


           25              lines, but the work on the levy isn't






            1              projected to start I think until next year


            2              if then, so in the mean time, you know, they


            3              are damaging the bank and every time it


            4              rains now we have to be even more worried


            5              about flooding.  I don't know, I just think


            6              it's appalling.


            7                      And I have another question,


            8              Mrs. Gatelli, you stated last week that in


            9              the discussion about the $577,000 in UDAG


           10              funds that council never voted on that dog


           11              park.  I think they did.  I remember someone


           12              coming in with the --


           13                      MS. GATELLI:  I don't think we did.


           14                      MS. HUBBARD:  -- plan and a drawing.


           15                      MS. GATELLI:  I don't think we voted


           16              on it.  I could be wrong.


           17                      MS. HUBBARD:  I don't know, could


           18              you look in your archives and let me know on


           19              that as to whether there was a vote on the


           20              $300,000 because I think there was.  Anyway,


           21              that was it.  Thank you.


           22                      MR. MCGOFF:  Thank you, Mrs.


           23               Hubbard.


           24                      MS. HUBBARD:  I'm sorry, I got all


           25              red about it, but -- did you say something?






            1                      MS. GATELLI: No, that's okay.


            2                      MR. MCGOFF: Anyone else?  Ms. Evans.


            3                      MS. EVANS: Good morning, everyone,


            4              and welcome back, Attorney Minora.  I'd like


            5              to return to the transfer of $10,000 in UDAG


            6              funds to the East Scranton Business


            7              Association who then donated the $10,000 to


            8              ECTV.  Attorney Minora, were you able to


            9              answer my questions that I gave to Attorney


           10              Williams at last week's meeting?


           11                      MR. MINORA: I have some of the


           12              answers for you.  The statute itself does


           13              not require council action.  I have


           14              reviewed -- I'm sorry?


           15                      MS. EVANS: Do you have the backup


           16              for that?  In other words, I'm looking for a


           17              copy of your source and then I had also


           18              requested your opinion in writing.


           19                      MR. MINORA: The statutes are covered


           20              under 42 USCS 5301 is the beginning of it, I


           21              mean, I can't give you a negative, there is


           22              nothing requiring councilmanic action


           23              anywhere in the statute.  It goes through


           24              5318 which begins another section of grant


           25              money so it's, you know, that's the statute.






            1                   I looked first at the statute, there is


            2              nothing requiring that.  I have begun to


            3              look through the regulations.  They are at


            4              42 -- no, I'm sorry, I might be getting


            5              dyslexic, 24 Code of Federal Regulations


            6              Title Part 570 is the beginning of it, it is


            7              very lengthy, I have not had time to go


            8              through it, I was in a trial last week


            9              that's why I was not here, so I'm reviewing


           10              that.


           11                      MS. EVANS: When your review is


           12              complete, again, I'd ask for copies of your


           13              sources and your opinion in writing, and I'd


           14              also like you to look into this question


           15              which is certainly related, can one entity


           16              organization transfer --


           17                      MR. MINORA: Subrecipient?


           18                      MS. EVANS: -- it's UDAG funding to


           19              another organization.


           20                      MR. MINORA:  I understand.  I had


           21              intended to look into that myself.


           22                      MS. EVANS: Okay.  Now, I would like


           23              to remind the public that both


           24              Mr. Courtright and I did not vote in


           25              March 2006 for the $557,000 in UDAG funds to






            1              be used by the mayor at his own discretion


            2              and either Mr. Courtright nor I approved of


            3              the mayor spending federal money without any


            4              checks and balances from city council.


            5                      In the last week there has been much


            6              talk of the Recovery Plan particularly by


            7              Mr. Doherty and Mr. Hayes.  I think it's


            8              time to examine the other half of the story


            9              today.  In 2002, the mayor sold his Recovery


           10              Plan on the threat of a tax increase despite


           11              his 2001 campaign promise to reduce the wage


           12              tax by 1/10th of 1 percent annually if he


           13              became mayor.  Although, Mr. Doherty's


           14              threat worked and he got his Recovery Plan


           15              passed, here is what he did:


           16                      He raised property taxes by over


           17              25 percent.  He raised the real estate


           18              transfer tax.  He created many new


           19              management positions.  He awarded hefty


           20              raises to his management staff.  He borrowed


           21              hundreds of millions of dollars, etcetera.


           22              Both Mr. Doherty and Mr. Hayes have


           23              publically stated that the purpose of the


           24              Recovery Plan is to make our city


           25              financially solvent.  Yet, the estimated






            1              $3.5 million that may be realized from the


            2              implementation of the Recovery Plan does not


            3              balance the books.  It doesn't makeup for


            4              seven years of borrowing and spending.  In


            5              fact, the 3.5 million does not even cover


            6              the annual Doherty debt payments which for


            7              2008 for only city general obligation bonds


            8              and capitalized leases, no city authorities


            9              included in this totals 12.8 million and


           10              that is a conservative figure because as I


           11              perused the 2008 budget, the pie chart


           12              included for expenditures indicates that


           13              19 percent of an $84 million budget is


           14              allocated for long-term debt payments.


           15                      So that, ladies and gentlemen, puts


           16              us actually closer to $16 million, better


           17              than $16 million annually on debt payments.


           18                      I seem to be having a problem with


           19              my microphone.  It doesn't turn off yet the


           20              sound turns off, so I'd say that someone has


           21              to be bumping the controls.


           22                      Now, this Recovery Plan, however,


           23              does do one thing, it cuts public safety


           24              services and here is one example of the cut


           25              in your services:  Just yesterday I learned






            1              that since the mayor has implemented the


            2              Recovery Plan within the police department


            3              it has been running with only 6 to 9


            4              officers per shift rather than the normal 12


            5              or more.  Apparently, the administration


            6              often is not hiring overtime and when it


            7              does it may only be one officer for a shift


            8              providing a total of 6 or 9 police officers


            9              which includes the desk officer and the


           10              prisoner transporter.  This plan leaves only


           11              seven officers at best to respond to calls


           12              and handle problems citywide.


           13                      Thus, it appears that the mayor by


           14              means of his Recovery Plan is running police


           15              shifts at dangerously low levels


           16              jeopardizing the safety of our police force


           17              and our people.


           18                      Before Mr. Doherty attempts any


           19              further actions, an independent safety


           20              impact study agreed upon by both the


           21              administration and the municipal unions


           22              should be conducted to determine the


           23              necessary level of the police and


           24              firefighters staffing for Scranton.  A city


           25              with a population of over 72,000 residents,






            1              a high percentage of old structures and an


            2              area of 27 square miles.  Amazingly, the


            3              Recovery Plan does not require a safety


            4              impact study.  It basis your safety and


            5              security on dollars and cents, not facts.


            6                      Additionally, according to the 2006


            7              independent audit the city's long-term debt


            8              including all authorities stands formally at


            9              $226,925,15.00.  However, this figure does


           10              not include the $35 million borrowed by the


           11              Scranton Parking Authority in 2007.  If we


           12              add this principle and interest at a


           13              conservative figure of 52.5 million to the


           14              2006 long-term debt, the new total is


           15              $279,000,000 in long-term Doherty debt.


           16                   Ladies and gentlemen, Scranton will


           17              need a new financial plan to recover from


           18              eight years of the Doherty debt.


           19                      Another current and crucial issue


           20              that concerns city and county residents is


           21              the Scranton Single Tax Office.  The FBI


           22              cleared Mr. McDowell of any criminal


           23              activity.  Nevertheless, Mr. McDowell has


           24              violated state laws by failing to provide


           25              monthly financial reports to governing






            1              bodies, maintain separate tax accounts,


            2              disburse tax dollars to government bodies,


            3              and most importantly collect delinquent wage


            4              taxes and particularly those owed by city


            5              residents who work outside of Scranton.


            6                   Furthermore, Mr. McDowell is subpoenaed


            7              by city council and those subpoenas are


            8              ready to be delivered today.  It appears


            9              that he is arrogantly ignoring council.  He


           10              wants our questions in advance, but as I


           11              said long ago, we don't provide take-home


           12              tests.  Seemingly, it will take a judge to


           13              compel Mr. McDowell to appear at council and


           14              to answer to the people.


           15                      I was pleased to learn that the tax


           16              office finally approved a forensic auditor,


           17              Nyhill and Wrigley of Philadelphia,


           18              Mrs. Vitali hopes the audit will be


           19              completed by the end of the year.  However,


           20              had the process begun in March and an


           21              auditing firm been hired in May the audit


           22              would have been completed in October using


           23              Mrs. Vitali's time line.


           24                      City council and the public believe


           25              that the last five months of delays and






            1              excuses were precious time wasted.  My hope


            2              today is that whatever dollars our city


            3              receives following the completion of this


            4              audit Mr. Doherty will use these tax dollars


            5              to pay down his debt.


            6                      Finally, I was vindicated to read


            7              that the city wage tax revenue is up


            8              $2.7 million for the first half of the year.


            9              I don't doubt that recent publicity


           10              regarding the Single Tax Office and the FBI


           11              investigation contributed greatly to this


           12              considerable increase of wage tax


           13              collection.  In any case, this high


           14              watermark must continue from year to year


           15              going forward and a mayor should use these


           16              tax dollars to pay down the Doherty debt and


           17              to pave streets, not to create jobs, award


           18              management raises, buy dirt or build coy


           19              fish ponds.


           20                      Moreover, I included $3 million from


           21              wage tax collection in my 2008 budget last


           22              December.  I was scorned by the newspaper


           23              and the majority of council who did not


           24              approve my balanced budget and surplus.


           25              There was no borrowing and no tax increase






            1              in the budget I created as finance chair of


            2              city council because I believed there was at


            3              least $3 million in wage taxes that needed


            4              to be collected.


            5                      In prior years I asked Mr. McDowell


            6              to come in, he refused, yet the Scranton


            7              Times newspaper still endorsed Mr. McDowell


            8              for county controller and previously for


            9              Scranton tax collector.  Last December I


           10              asked for two employees of the Single Tax


           11              Office to come in, Mr. McDowell refused to


           12              allow them to do so.  I asked for


           13              Mrs. Vitale and Mr. McGovern to come in and


           14              was accused of political gainsmanship.  I


           15              suspected financial mismanagement in the


           16              Single Tax Office and was mocked by a


           17              majority of council.


           18                      Now, the Scranton Times wants to


           19              expose McDowell and the Single Tax Office


           20              and the very same council members who


           21              criticized me and my budgets want answers


           22              from Mr. McDowell and the tax office as well


           23              as the forensic audit.  They agree now that


           24              this forensic audit languished and lingered


           25              unnecessarily.  They are happily surprised






            1              by the collection of 2.7 million dollars in


            2              formerly delinquent wage taxes which I


            3              included in my 2008 budget last December.


            4                   As for Mr. Courtright and myself who


            5              voted against the mayor's budget and chose


            6              my alternate budget, we are not surprised,


            7              but we are rather pleased that these tax


            8              revenues are finally being collected.


            9                      And, now, I would like to make a


           10              motion to amend the motion I made at last


           11              week's council meeting concerning the


           12              investigation by Scranton City Council of


           13              the tenure of the former tax collector.  I


           14              move that the Scranton City Council


           15              investigate the effectiveness and efficiency


           16              of tax collection by the Scranton Single Tax


           17              Office.  Said investigation shall include,


           18              but is not limited to, commingling of tax


           19              receipts in a single account for


           20              distribution to multiple municipalities,


           21              collection practices, payment extensions,


           22              labor and management issues and work


           23              attendance, information therefrom to be used


           24              for available legislative remedies where


           25              inadequacies may have been found.






            1                      And this is an amendment, as I said,


            2              to last week's motion.


            3                      MS. GATELLI:  Second.


            4                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


            5              those in favor signify by saying aye.


            6                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


            7                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


            8                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


            9                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           10                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           11              ayes have it and so moved.


           12                      MS. EVANS: I also have some requests


           13              for the week:  The 200 of North Garfield


           14              Avenue, residents of the block report that


           15              there are two couches full of boxes and bags


           16              of trash at this address.  Please pick up


           17              these items this week.


           18                      A letter to Mr. Oleski, there is an


           19              empty lot located to the right of 134 South


           20              Merrifield, residents complain that this lot


           21              is completely overgrown and is a breeding


           22              ground for the neighborhood stray animals,


           23              wood chucks, snakes, etcetera.  The DPW


           24              cleaned this lot several years ago, but it's


           25              not been touched since that time.  Please






            1              clean this up when the abandoned lots in


            2              West Scranton are being addressed this


            3              summer and notify council when it has been


            4              taken care of.


            5                      The corner of Dickson Avenue and


            6              East Market Street there is a large


            7              overgrown bush on this property which is for


            8              sale and this bush prevents pedestrians from


            9              using the sidewalk forcing them on to the


           10              street at this intersection.  Please contact


           11              the owner to trim the bush.


           12                      The corner of George Avenue and


           13              Wilder Street, residents report a large


           14              whole, ten by ten feet in the road, they


           15              have called DPW, but no action was taken.


           16                   The residents of Mt. Vernon Avenue


           17              request the paving of their streets.


           18                      And graffiti on slides in Pinebrook


           19              field needs to be cleaned and, Neil, I'll


           20              also be passing along the photos that were


           21              provided by Mr. Lyman of the deteriorating


           22              sewer, and that's it.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF:  Thank you, Mrs. Evans.


           24              Mrs. Gatelli.


           25                      MS. GATELLI: To address Mrs.






            1              Schumacher concerning the independent audit,


            2              last week we did send out letters to all of


            3              the authorities to get their audits in ASAP


            4              to expedite our independent audit.


            5                      I'd also like to ask Mrs. Garvey to


            6              investigate the last several years when was


            7              the time frame of the independent audit,


            8              when did we receive them?


            9                      I'd also like to make a motion that


           10              we do send the county commissioners a letter


           11              concerning the reassessment.  I, too, was


           12              uncomfortable with the length of time it's


           13              going to take.  I understand it is some type


           14              of a mapping problem, but in my opinion


           15              that's the problem of Century 21 or whoever


           16              they hired to it do it.  There are many


           17              properties also included in my neighborhood


           18              where we are paying considerably more than a


           19              lots of properties in the neighborhood that


           20              are rental properties.  They get to charge


           21              rent and make some money, and then the other


           22              people are in single family homes and we


           23              have to pay the brunt of the taxes, so I'd


           24              like to make that motion to send the


           25              commissioners a letter that we are concerned






            1              and to expedite the time frame if possible.


            2                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.


            3                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?


            4                      MS. EVANS:  Yes.  I know that this


            5              has been a topic of discussion and great


            6              concern to not only city residents, but


            7              those residing throughout Lackawanna County,


            8              but I have to say that many of the residents


            9              who approached me to discuss this matter


           10              indicated quite the opposite, that they were


           11              very pleased that the reassessments would


           12              not occur immediately in light of the


           13              economy, in light of job losses, home


           14              losses, etcetera.


           15                      Now, admittedly, many of the people


           16              with whom I spoke are senior citizens, but I


           17              think before I could agree to sending this


           18              letter I would like to hear from more


           19              residents not only of Scranton but


           20              Lackawanna County because it seems that


           21              there are -- there are opinions on both


           22              sides of this issue and I would like to be


           23              certain where the majority stands on that


           24              before I would agree to send a letter.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF: Anyone else on the






            1              question?  All those in favor signify by


            2              saying aye.


            3                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


            4                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


            5                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


            6                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?


            7                      MS. EVANS: No.


            8                      MR. MCGOFF:  The ayes have it and so


            9              moved.


           10                      MS. GATELLI: Thank you, and that's


           11              all I have.  There will be a Community


           12              Justice meeting at 10:00 Thursday at 705


           13              Pittston Avenue, and I'm still awaiting any


           14              other neighborhoods that are concerned about


           15              starting a community justice program.  I


           16              haven't heard from any as of yet, but the


           17              offer is certainly still out there.


           18                      MR. MCGOFF:  Thank you, Mrs.


           19              Gatelli.  Mrs. Fanucci.


           20                      MS. FANUCCI: Yes, I want to speak


           21              about "Outrageous," which is on our agenda


           22              today for a -- it's Item 5-G.  This is a


           23              downtown store which has a lot of great like


           24              jewelry and there is a coffee shop in there


           25              and what they are doing is they had put on






            1              the second floor they are putting in a book


            2              store.  This is the trend now for downtowns,


            3              in fact, Grand Rapids, Michigan, Cincinnati,


            4              Charlotte, they have all done this so that


            5              to compete with the bigger bookstores so


            6              that you have something to bring you


            7              downtown, this would help actually with the


            8              University and a lot of our colleges, so


            9              what they are doing is they are creating a


           10              bookstore, it's going to obviously be


           11              smaller than your Barnes and Noble, but your


           12              big -- it's a smaller quaint bookstore, so


           13              that's what they are doing and that is what


           14              the loan and the purpose is for, extra


           15              space, also buying the books bringing them


           16              in.  So, this is something that actually is


           17              very good for our downtown, it would help a


           18              lot with the walking traffic and hopefully


           19              bring a lot more people down, you know, it


           20              would be the closest bookstore depending on


           21              where you live so that's a good thing, so I


           22              wanted to tell you a little bit about that.


           23                   Also, I want to speak about some of the


           24              comments that were made about the Single Tax


           25              Office.  We obviously have had some issues






            1              with the tax office ourselves, but as for


            2              mocking another council member, if I recall


            3              I did was asking for proof, facts and some


            4              information, where the information was from.


            5              I did not receive that, but that's what I


            6              was inquiring about.  A lot of times here


            7              there are a lot of speculations made and all


            8              I was asking was for a speculation to be


            9              backed before anything proceeded. Now the


           10              facts are in front of us and we are


           11              proceeding, but a lot of times people's


           12              remembrance are a little bit more one-sided


           13              than actually is.  Sometimes you would need


           14              to be in caucus maybe to find that out.


           15                      But I am very happy with the way


           16              that this is proceeding.  I have to say as


           17              far as not showing up here I'm a little


           18              disappointed.  I think Mr. McDowell is a


           19              very nice person, I have nothing against


           20              him, but I do believe that there are times


           21              when you need to answer questions and none


           22              of us could dodge them when it is time and


           23              we have to answer questions to the public,


           24              so I'm happy with what we are doing, but


           25              also need to know that it is time now to






            1              move forward.  The people who are in charge


            2              of the store now need to get here and need


            3              to explain exactly about this $12 million,


            4              they are in charge.


            5                      You know, we can find out from Kenny


            6              what happened, but to me it's now.  I do


            7              agree that I would have rather seen this


            8              take place a lot quicker, the budget coming


            9              into time now where we have to worry about


           10              paying not only our employees, but keeping


           11              the city going and new hires and whatever,


           12              you know.


           13                      We settled one of the union


           14              contracts, actually two, hopefully, you


           15              know, we will settle the rest, but until we


           16              know what kind of money we are looking at


           17              this is a very important issue.  So, I am


           18              happy that we are proceeding with that.


           19                   Also, I'm not sure where the


           20              information, and this is a question I do


           21              have for Mrs. Evans, I'm not sure where the


           22              information, are you talking about current


           23              contracts that are being discussed with the


           24              police union and what's being discussed


           25              there because I'm not sure how you would be






            1              privy to that information?


            2                      MS. EVANS: What information?


            3                      MS. FANUCCI: Information providing


            4              how many cops would be on, who wouldn't be


            5              on, how that would be -- like, I don't


            6              understand how the manning power you would


            7              know that right now?  Aren't they -- they


            8              don't have a new contract; correct?


            9                      MS. EVANS: I'm not talking about a


           10              new contract, they are still in


           11              negotiations, I'm talking about the


           12              implementation of Phase 1 of the Recovery


           13              Plan within the Scranton Police Department.


           14                      MS. FANUCCI:  Which could not take


           15              place because of the contracts were, you


           16              know, they're contracted to have as many


           17              people as they were under contract.  I don't


           18              think we can change that.


           19                      MS. EVANS: It's already taken place.


           20                      MS. FANUCCI: Well, the first phase.


           21                      MS. EVANS: The first phase which


           22              would include an affidavit of Chief Elliott


           23              that outlines, for example, the elimination


           24              of the manning clause, etcetera.


           25                      MS. FANUCCI: The manning clause;






            1              right.


            2                      MS. EVANS: And so these are facts.


            3                      MS. FANUCCI: So the manning power is


            4              what you are describing?


            5                      MS. EVANS: Yes.


            6                      MS. FANUCCI: That's what I didn't


            7              understand, so I'm glad to know that.


            8                      Oh, okay, and Daniel Hubbard as


            9              wonderful as it is to have you back in our


           10              forum again, I have to say that you can't


           11              get angry when you get answers that you


           12              don't like.  I'm sorry I can't provide you


           13              with better answers.  We have all supported


           14              you on this, we all wanted you to have your


           15              flood sirens, certainly none of us were


           16              against the flood siren, in fact, I believe


           17              we tried to pay for the flood siren out of


           18              money we didn't even have trying to get you


           19              your flood siren, so in the future when you


           20              come here don't feel like we are against


           21              your flood siren.  We are not.  We think


           22              everyone down there should have as much


           23              protection as possible.  No one is looking


           24              at doing anything to harm the citizens of


           25              this city, and a lot of times when you come






            1              here you come across as if we are out to get


            2              you.  No.  We want you to have your flood


            3              siren and we will keeping working on it,


            4              hopefully that will happen some day, but all


            5              I was doing was providing your mom with


            6              answers that she wanted, unfortunately, they


            7              weren't the answers that she was looking


            8              for.  And, again, that is all I have.  Thank


            9              you.


           10                      MR. MCGOFF: Mr. Courtright.  Thank


           11              you, Ms. Fanucci.


           12                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Yes, Mrs. Evans


           13              covered the questions I was going to ask


           14              Mr. Minora also about the $10,000 so I don't


           15              have to speak on that.


           16                      Kay, I do have one, if you could


           17              send a letter to inspection 315 North


           18              Cabrini Avenue, 315 North Cabrini, the


           19              inspection department I got out there before


           20              and helped the residents out with a problem


           21              over there and now there seems to be garbage


           22              and graffiti at that location again so if


           23              they can possibly take a look at that.


           24                   Mrs. Schumacher, I'm sorry, I was doing


           25              something when you spoke, but I believe you






            1              were asking about the fire.  Dave Elliott


            2              had sent us a letter Marty Monahan and


            3              members of the Scranton Police Department


            4              and fire departments they are the ones doing


            5              the investigation.  Marty is extremely well


            6              qualified.  I don't know that we would be


            7              privy to that information if it's an ongoing


            8              investigation, so if I could ask for you if


            9              they would give you that information, but I


           10              don't know -- I don't know -- I don't


           11              believe if it's an ongoing investigation


           12              they are going to turn over that information


           13              to me or anyone else, but it's our police


           14              department that's doing the investigation on


           15              that fire if that was your question.


           16                      I'd like to see maybe if council


           17              could agree to this, what Mrs. Evans said


           18              about the staffing of the shifts is -- that


           19              information is available through me and the


           20              way that information is available to me it's


           21              the people working the shifts that are


           22              telling me, but I think what has happened


           23              here now is rather than paying overtime or


           24              running the shifts which would be considered


           25              short, and when I say short I mean short by






            1              the standards that we have on operating for


            2              the last umpteen years here, short on


            3              manpower, you know, I'm being told one


            4              shift, the midnight shift on Saturday we


            5              only have five cars, maybe seven officers,


            6              five cars.  Central City one night maybe


            7              second shift running with one Central City


            8              car, obviously, I don't think anybody would


            9              agree that's adequate.


           10                      So I think what I would like to do


           11              and, again, I would like the support of the


           12              rest of the council is to send a letter to


           13              Dave Elliott and ask him if he would supply


           14              us with how the shifts have been operated


           15              both last week and this week, how many cars


           16              on each shift, what cars they were, patrol


           17              cars, supervisor cars, you know, we have


           18              Corporals that are in supervising capacity,


           19              we have sergeants that are supervisory


           20              capacity and, Kay, you don't have to write


           21              it down, it's too much for you to write


           22              down, I'll go over it with you later if


           23              everybody agrees, you know, I know I'm under


           24              the understanding that the judge has allowed


           25              a sergeant to take calls and that's fine,






            1              and I don't disagree with that, I hope the


            2              sergeants don't get mad with me, but I don't


            3              disagree with the sergeants if they are


            4              available to take calls, if they are doing


            5              something in their supervisory capacity that


            6              prevents that then obviously they can't do


            7              it.


            8                      But I'm being told by not only the


            9              police officers but the people that have


           10              scanners that we are running our cops all


           11              over the city.  We got North end cops in


           12              South Side, when they are trying get back to


           13              North end they are getting pulled from that


           14              end and go over to the West Side and they


           15              feel it's just not working out.  This is the


           16              general public and the officers themselves,


           17              so if the council would agree to ask Dave to


           18              just give us a list of how many cars were on


           19              their road, and I need him to be specific as


           20              to where they were supposed to be going, if


           21              they are patrolling their supervisors, if


           22              guys have been doubled up in cars, just so


           23              that we have an accurate understanding of


           24              what's going on I think one thing this


           25              council has agreed on both last council and






            1              this one is that we are pro public safety,


            2              you know I believe that's the feeling, so if


            3              council would agree to me dictating a letter


            4              to Mrs. Garvey to Dave Elliott.


            5                      MS. GATELLI:  Absolutely.


            6                      MS. FANUCCI: Bill, will you include


            7              response time in there, also, because that


            8              will show, too, how hard it was to go from


            9              spot to spot in the city and the frequency.


           10                      MR. COURTRIGHT: There was an


           11              incident I believe yesterday where a north


           12              car had to respond over to west side and it


           13              was an extended period of time so he wanted


           14              it noted by his supervisor that, you know,


           15              the call came in at such and such an hour,


           16              but I was only dispatched at such and such


           17              an hour because obviously citizens will get


           18              irate if they are waiting 20, 25 minutes for


           19              a police car to show up, so it's just turned


           20              out to be an uncomfortable situation, but I


           21              sit down, and then before she sends the


           22              letter out or give a copy to everybody here


           23              so it's agreeable to all of you --


           24                      MS. FANUCCI: Sure.


           25                      MS. EVANS:  Mr. Courtright, maybe






            1              the number of calls per shift.


            2                      MR. COURTRIGHT: What's going to


            3              happen in my opinion, and this is just my


            4              opinion, and I think I have an educated


            5              opinion is that if we are running less guys


            6              at the end of the year we are going to have


            7              a less of a total calls because there is


            8              nobody proactively, we are reacting to


            9              everything, so that, you know, if you are


           10              running from call to call you are not able


           11              to if you see a suspicious vehicle pulled


           12              over because you are just running from call


           13              to call and I think that's going to drop


           14              those numbers down and that's just my


           15              opinion, but I think it's an educated


           16              opinion, so I'll give it to you, Kay,


           17              possibly tomorrow and then you can show it


           18              to everybody else and if they agree we will


           19              send it out.


           20                      I'm happy that the trees have gotten


           21              trimmed in front of Carl Sevino's funeral


           22              home there finally, I think that ultimately


           23              would have been a safety issue.


           24                      Mrs. Gatelli spoke about, you know,


           25              crime watch so I spoke to Wally






            1              Vanacoski about it, I think it's all but


            2              defunct over there, but I asked him to look


            3              into it or to see if there is anybody


            4              interested and who they would contact if


            5              they were interested, but one woman after we


            6              spoke, one woman, I believe she was a school


            7              teacher, she came to the podium once before


            8              stopped me and asked me about it, so maybe


            9              she will be interested in resurrecting it.


           10                   Mister, I hope I say his name right,


           11              Migliori, is the guy's name, the guy from


           12              ECTV, he called me this past week because of


           13              my concern and how many times this would be


           14              played and the motion that Mrs. Gatelli


           15              recommended I make and here's what he just


           16              told me, he said that this meeting that we


           17              would have today at 10 a.m. will be aired


           18              today at 2:30, and that's when every meeting


           19              and will air tomorrow at 9:30 and then air


           20              tomorrow at 6:30 so as to cover, I requested


           21              three times.  I asked about live, he is


           22              telling me that the reason that we are not


           23              live right now is something to do with


           24              Comcast, he is hoping that is going to be


           25              rectified by the time we come back from our






            1              summer break.


            2                      I said there was concerns of these


            3              meetings and other meetings being edited,


            4              things taken out that weren't palatable to


            5              some people, he said that would not happen.


            6              What else did I ask him?  Oh, he said that


            7              once it will be become a reality that, and


            8              if I'm wrong I'm sure he will correct me on


            9              this, what they are going to do with the


           10              municipal meetings that say, for instance,


           11              on Saturday run them, and I'm just giving


           12              you a time frame I can't remember exactly


           13              what he told me from like noon to whenever,


           14              one municipal meeting after other so if you


           15              were interested in taping them you could


           16              tape them.  So, that's the information I


           17              have gotten so far and he called me with


           18              that, so I do have to thank him for calling


           19              me.  I didn't call him, he called me.


           20                      And one last thing, and I hope I


           21              don't start on another discussion here, but


           22              one more thing before I go to this, you


           23              know, Mrs. Fanucci's house or Mr. McGoff's


           24              house or Mrs. Evan's house or Mrs. Gatelli's


           25              or my house, I don't think where we live as






            1              long as we are in the city is anybody's


            2              business.  I don't want anybody running


            3              around my house, you know, stalking me,


            4              taking pictures, I think it's wrong, you


            5              know, no matter who it is up here.  You are


            6              free to move around the city, I think we all


            7              know we need to live in the city to be on


            8              this council, so I don't condone that, I


            9              don't think it's right, you might be


           10              actually scaring some people, you know, if


           11              someone comes up here and produces pictures


           12              of their house or some of us have children


           13              or your child, so I don't condone that at


           14              all and I would hope that we don't see that


           15              happening.  That bothers me.


           16                      And here's the thing I hope I don't


           17              go into another discuss, it was


           18              understanding that when we adopted the Rules


           19              of Council this time around, you know, there


           20              was a little to-do about it and I was one of


           21              the ones that made the to-do about it, that


           22              we would respond to council speakers, if the


           23              council speakers wanted an answer and it


           24              would remain in their time frame, and I


           25              think we pretty much held to that, but I






            1              think there is extenuating circumstances


            2              also.  You know, if somebody who would


            3              appear here, like the mayor, who never comes


            4              here and he wanted to speak a little extra I


            5              think maybe that would be at the discretion


            6              of the president of the council and we could


            7              do that.


            8                      And I tried to adhere to this as


            9              much as possible, evidently my question to


           10              Mr. Murphy last night broke those rules --


           11              or last week I should say broke those rules,


           12              but I think that was the understanding that


           13              we would -- if the speaker wanted us to


           14              respond during their time we would respond,


           15              if they did not want us to respond during


           16              their time we would respond in motions and


           17              it was agreed upon I believe by all of us, I


           18              can't remember that far back, but I believe


           19              by all of us, so I think maybe if we kind of


           20              keep to that maybe we won't have what we had


           21              today, and if I'm incorrect in my assessment


           22              of that please let me know, but I believe


           23              that's what it was, was that not?  Do you


           24              agree with that, everybody, is that what we


           25              said?  All right.  And that's about it.






            1              Thank you.


            2                      MS. EVANS: Wait, Mr. Courtright, can


            3              I ask you to help me with this issue, it


            4              involves speeding in the 500 block of West


            5              Market Street, I will give this to you.


            6                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I received that.


            7                      MS. EVANS: Okay, and I know I talked


            8              about his a year ago and I travel that route


            9              frequently when I'm going to Keyser Oak


           10              Plaza or up to the Viewmont Mall and I do


           11              see the speeding and, nevertheless, nothing


           12              was really ever, ever done about that so I


           13              was hoping --


           14                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  I have got an


           15              answer for you, I know what it is, what


           16              happened in the very original time they


           17              can't ticket somebody unless there is a


           18              speed limit posted every so many feet, so


           19              they went up there and they put the speed


           20              limit signs there.  When they were available


           21              to go out and do traffic, they went out and


           22              did traffic, actually, we might not have a


           23              traffic division soon.  With the judge


           24              allowing these people to do as they please


           25              they could very well do away with the






            1              traffic division.  I'm not saying that they


            2              won't do any traffic, we are going to have


            3              to regular patrolman doing traffic, but


            4              right now we have a traffic division and in


            5              the dayshift they call them unit cars, there


            6              are two-unit cars and there is a unit one


            7              and a unit two and that's the dayshift.


            8                   Now, the second shift there is unit


            9              cars.  On third shift they mostly do that,


           10              so when they were available they went to do


           11              it.  I guess not enough to the people's


           12              liking, but I don't think we are going to be


           13              able to solve the problem for sure now


           14              because we have less guys, so I don't know


           15              how we are going to make that gentleman or


           16              anybody for that matter, not just that


           17              individual, happy if we have less officers,


           18              so I will ask again but I know what the


           19              answer is going to be when we individuals


           20              available we will send them there.


           21                      MS. EVANS: Okay.  I thank you for


           22              that.


           23                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I'll ask again.


           24                      MS. EVANS: And just one other thing


           25              that I forgot on the citizens' requests, I






            1              made this request last week concerning


            2              Ridgeview Drive and I understand that


            3              nothing has been done, I asked that the city


            4              engineer would go out there with Mr. Brazil


            5              and so I'm going to repeat that request


            6              today and I'm hoping by next Tuesday's


            7              meeting I am going to hear from the people


            8              who live on that street and they will be


            9              telling me that that's gentlemen have been


           10              out there to examine the problem and


           11              hopefully offer a situation because, you


           12              know, the longer this goes on the greater


           13              the problem grows, so --


           14                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Well, I spoke to


           15              him, the gentleman that you are talking


           16              about last night, and I told him I would go


           17              up there and take a look at it and he


           18              explained the problem to me, so hopefully


           19              they will go out there.  I will take a look


           20              at it myself because it's only up the street


           21              from where I live.


           22                      MS. EVANS: I have seen it, too, and


           23              I do understand what he is talking about and


           24              because of the latest rain storm that we


           25              have had, again, he has had all of that dirt






            1              and debris accumulate in front of his


            2              property because that's the drop off point


            3              there.


            4                      MR. COURTRIGHT: He and I have the


            5              same situation, I have a low spot on the


            6              street, too, I have a pool in front of my


            7              house 365 days a year, but I don't dare ask


            8              the city to fix it I'll get accused of


            9              getting a special favor or something, so


           10              I'll wait until I'm off council.


           11                      MR. MCGOFF: I wasn't going to


           12              address this, but since it was brought up,


           13              and I'm sorry Mr. Gervasi left I was going


           14              to tell him that it might be the first time


           15              that I have agreed had with him in quite


           16              awhile, the Rules of Council are things that


           17              we have adopted, and as Mr. Courtright said,


           18              we did come to an agreement at the beginning


           19              of this term for certain rules.  I guess


           20              what I've tried to do is see them not so


           21              much as hard fast rules, but more as


           22              guidelines and when time limits were


           23              exceeded or there were occasions where there


           24              was productive discussion taking place I


           25              have maybe ignored the time limits.






            1                      Also, I know I have been criticized


            2              for allowing certain speakers to continue


            3              beyond.  I think that when there are


            4              extraordinary circumstances such as, you


            5              know, former council members or members of


            6              the county government, etcetera, that come


            7              to speak before council that maybe there is


            8              some discretion that's allowed and I'm


            9              willing to take the criticism for that


           10              because I think at times that it's


           11              productive and I think I have at least


           12              attempted to follow the Rules and use


           13              discretion when there was productive


           14              discussion.  When it seems as though there


           15              were controversy or argument attempted to


           16              curtail that.


           17                      If I have offended someone by doing


           18              that, I don't want to say that I'm


           19              apologizing for it, but I think that that's


           20              what the discretion of the president of the


           21              council is -- that's why it's provided for


           22              some discretion so that that can take place.


           23                   If we decide that we want to go by the


           24              strict interpretation of the Rules,


           25              certainly we can do that as well, but I






            1              thought that for the most part what was


            2              happening in council as far as discussions


            3              is concerned seem to be proceeding well even


            4              though there were some discrepancies in the


            5              Rules, but we can discuss that before the


            6              next meeting.


            7                      Also, in response to Mr. Quinn and


            8              the Nay Aug Park situation, I don't see the


            9              fees and things at Nay Aug as being racially


           10              motivated and what he speaks about is, you


           11              know, racial injustice or whatever term he


           12              used, my experience in going to Nay Aug is


           13              has been just the opposite, that the times


           14              that I have been there I have found that


           15              there -- the pool seems to be, at least my


           16              perception of it is, that there seems to be


           17              a rather diverse group of people utilizing


           18              the pool and the park and maybe it's just a


           19              difference in perception between Mr. Quinn


           20              and I, but I just haven't experienced what


           21              he spoke of.


           22                      And, lastly, and again not to start


           23              an argument, I hope that I have never


           24              scorned or mocked any members of council.  I


           25              don't think that's something that we should






            1              do to anyone and for that if I did or that


            2              perception was received by members of


            3              council I would certainly apologize for


            4              that.  Disagree with people, yes.  I would


            5              hope that I have never scorned one of my


            6              colleagues or mocked one of my colleagues in


            7              the past, and that's is all.


            8                      MS. EVANS: Mr. McGoff, I just wanted


            9              to say that I personally feel that you have


           10              been performing your duties and


           11              responsibilities as council president quite


           12              well and I wanted to add to that in addition


           13              the residents of the city with whom I speak


           14              as I am out and about are generally very


           15              complimentary about your service thus far,


           16              so I have no -- I have no grievance with


           17              what has transpired these seven months.  I


           18              think, yes, there are Rules, but you have


           19              guided and at times appropriately made


           20              exceptions and I do agree with that.


           21                      And I also thank you for your ending


           22              comments and I should say I did not feel


           23              those sentiments coming from you, but I know


           24              I was accused of alleging criminal


           25              activities in the tax office at the time,






            1              that I had no substantiation which basically


            2              was simply taking a look through the budgets


            3              through the years, going back through the


            4              years and comparing the figures between the


            5              past and the present and also receiving


            6              recommendations from the employees of the


            7              tax office in writing who admitted these


            8              taxes were not being collected and that was


            9              why I wanted them to come in and state that


           10              again for the record, but Mr. McDowell


           11              stepped in and wouldn't allow that to


           12              happen.  So, anyway, that's all I had to say


           13              and, again, Mr. McGoff, I think you do a


           14              fine job.


           15                      MR. MCGOFF:  Thank you.  And 5-B.


           16              Mrs. Garvey.


           17                      MS. GARVEY: 5-B. FOR INTRODUCTION -


           18              AN ORDINANCE - AMENDING FILE OF COUNCIL 131


           19              OF 2007 ENTITLED "SALE OF TAX DELINQUENT




           21              ASLO DESCRIBED AS LOT NO. 134, SCRANTON,


           22              PENNSYLVANIA, TO KEVIN AND FRANCINE


           23              FITZGERALD, 309 BATLUCK STREET, SCRANTON,


           24              PENNSYLVANIA, 18505, FOR THE SUM OF


           25              $1,357.00" TO CORRECTLY IDENTIFY PROPERTY






            1              INFORMATION AS LOT NO. 152, MAP NO.


            2              15719-030-047.


            3                      MR. MCGOFF: At this time I'll


            4              entertain a motion that Item 5-B be


            5              introduced into it's proper committee.


            6                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.


            7                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.


            8                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


            9              those in favor signify by saying aye.


           10                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           11                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           12                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           13                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           14                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           15              ayes have it and so moved.


           16                      MS. GARVEY: 5-C. FOR INTRODUCTION -


           17              A RESOLUTION - AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND




           19              AND ENTER INTO A CONTRACT WITH KNOWLES


           20              ASSOCIATES, L.L.C., FOR INSURANCE WITH




           22              EXCHANGE, (HARIE), INDIAN HARBOR,






           25              COVERAGES FOR THE PERIOD JANUARY 1, 2008,






            1              THROUGH JANUARY 1, 2009, AND TO RATIFY ANY




            3              THE EXPIRATION OF THE PRIOR INSURANCE


            4              CONTRACT.


            5                      MR. MCGOFF: At this time I'll


            6              entertain a motion that Item 5-C be


            7              introduced into it's proper committee.


            8                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.


            9                      MS. FANUCCI:  Second.


           10                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question.  All


           11              those in favor signify by saying aye?


           12                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           13                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           14                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           15                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           16                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           17              ayes have it and so moved.


           18                      MS. GARVEY: 5-D. FOR INTRODUCTION -


           19              A RESOLUTION - AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND




           21              AND ENTER INTO A CONTRACT WITH KNOWLES


           22              ASSOCIATES, L.L.C. FOR INSURANCE WITH


           23              NAUTILUS INSURANCE COMPANY FOR CITY


           24              INSURANCE COVERAGE FOR THE PERIOD JUNE 12,


           25              2008 THROUGH JUNE 12, 2009.






            1                      MR. MCGOFF: At this time I'll


            2              entertain a motion that Item 5-D be


            3              introduced into it's proper committee.


            4                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.


            5                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.


            6                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


            7              those in favor signify by saying aye.


            8                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


            9                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           10                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           11                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           12                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           13              ayes have it and so moved.


           14                      MS. GARVEY: 5-E. FOR INTRODUCTION -


           15              A RESOLUTION - AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND




           17              CITY OF SCRANTON TO ENTER INTO A LOAN






           20              PROJECT NO. 008.500.3 IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO


           21              EXCEED $120,000.00 TO FRATELLI'S PIZZA &


           22              PASTA HOUSE, INC. TO ASSIST AN ELIGIBLE


           23              PROJECT.


           24                      MR. MCGOFF: At this time I'll


           25              entertain a motion that 5-E be introduced






            1              into it's proper committee.


            2                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.


            3                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.


            4                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


            5              those in favor signify by saying aye.


            6                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


            7                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


            8                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


            9                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           10                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           11              ayes have it and so moved.


           12                      MS. GARVEY: 5-F. FOR INTRODUCTION -


           13              A RESOLUTION - AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND




           15              CITY OF SCRANTON TO ENTER INTO A LOAN






           18              08-150.18 IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED


           19              $35,000.00.


           20                      MR. MCGOFF:  At this time I'll


           21              entertain a motion that Item 5-F be


           22              introduced into it's proper committee.


           23                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.


           24                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All






            1              those in favor signify by saying aye.


            2                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


            3                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


            4                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


            5                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


            6                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


            7              ayes have it and so moved.


            8                      MS. GARVEY: 5-G. FOR INTRODUCTION -


            9              A RESOLUTION - AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND




           11              CITY OF SCRANTON TO ENTER INTO A LOAN


           12              AGREEMENT AND MAKE A LOAN FROM THE




           14              PROGRAM, PROJECT NO. 08-150.17 IN AN AMOUNT


           15              NOT TO EXCEED $60,000.00 TO IT'S OUTRAGEOUS,


           16              LLC, TO ASSIST AN ELIGIBLE PROJECT.


           17                      MR. MCGOFF: At this time I'll


           18              entertain a motion that 5-G be introduced


           19              into it's proper committee.


           20                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.


           21                      MS. FANUCCI:  Second.


           22                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


           23              those in favor signify by saying aye.


           24                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           25                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.






            1                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


            2                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


            3                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


            4              ayes have it and so moved.


            5                      MS. GARVEY: 5-H. FOR INTRODUCTION -


            6              A RESOLUTION - AUTHORIZING THE ZONING


            7              HEARING BOARD OF THE CITY OF SCRANTON TO




            9              SERVICES WITH DANIEL L. PENETAR, JR.,




           11              OF TWO (2) YEARS FROM JULY 1, 2008 THROUGH


           12              JULY 1, 2010.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF: At this time I'll


           14              entertain a motion that 5-H be introduce


           15              into it's proper committee.


           16                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  So moved.


           17                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.


           18                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


           19              those in favor signify by saying aye.


           20                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           21                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           22                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           23                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           24                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           25              ayes have it and so moved.






            1                      MS. GARVEY: SIXTH ORDER.  6-A.


            2              READING BY TITLE - FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 31,


            3              2008 - AN ORDINANCE - AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR










            8              THE CONSTRUCTION AND DESIGN OF THE


            9              LACKAWANNA RIVER HERITAGE TRAIL TO BE


           10              LOCATED ON THE TRAIL AREA.


           11                      MR. MCGOFF: You have heard Reading


           12              by Title of Item 6-A, what is your pleasure.


           13                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  I move that Item


           14              6-A pass reading by title.


           15                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.


           16                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


           17              those in favor signify by saying aye.


           18                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           19                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           20                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           21                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           22                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           23              ayes have it and so moved.


           24                      MS. GARVEY: 6-B. READING BY TITLE -


           25              FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 32, 2008 - AN ORDINANCE






            1              - CREATING AN OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE TO ACT IN




            3              MANAGEMENT OF PUBLIC ACCESS CHANNEL 61 AND


            4              62 BY ELECTRIC CITY TELEVISION ("ECTV")


            5              THROUGH THE COMCAST CABLE SYSTEM.


            6                      MR. MCGOFF: You have heard Reading


            7              by Title of Item 6-B, what is your pleasure?


            8                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I move that Item 6-B


            9              pass Reading by title.


           10                      MS. FANUCCI:  Second.


           11                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question.  All


           12              those in favor signify by saying aye.


           13                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           14                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           15                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           16                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           17                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           18              ayes have it and so moved.


           19                      MS. GARVEY: 6-C. READING BY TITLE -


           20              FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 323, 2008 - AN ORDINANCE


           21              - AMENDING FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 140, 2007, AN




           23              BUDGET 2008" BY TRANSFERRING $50,000.00 FROM


           24              ACCOUNT NO. 01.080.0001.4010 (STANDARD








            1              ENGINEERING) TO ACCOUNT NO.


            2              01.080.00081.4201 (PROFESSIONAL








            6              PAYMENTS TO PENNONI ASSOCIATES.


            7                      MR. MCGOFF:  You have heard Reading


            8              by Title of Item 6-C, what is your pleasure?


            9                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  I move that Item


           10              6-C pass Reading by Title.


           11                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.


           12                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


           13              those in favor signify by saying aye.


           14                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           15                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           16                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           17                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           18                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           19              ayes have it and so moved.


           20                      MS. GARVEY: SEVENTH ORDER.  7-A. FOR


           21              CONSIDERATION BY THE COMMITTEE ON RULES -


           22              FOR ADOPTION - FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 26, 2008


           23              - AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF SCRANTON


           24              PROVIDING FOR AN AGREEMENT OF










            2              PLANNING BY THE CITY OF SCRANTON AND THE




            4              TOWNSHIP, CLARKS GREEN BOROUGH, CLARKS


            5              SUMMIT BOROUGH, DALTON BOROUGH, DUNMORE






            8              TOWNSHIP AND WEST ABINGTON TOWNSHIP.


            9                      MR. MCGOFF: As Chairperson for the


           10              Committee on Rules, I recommend final


           11              passage of Item 7-A.


           12                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Second.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  Rolls


           14              call, please.


           15                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.


           16                      MS. EVANS:  Yes.


           17                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Gatelli.


           18                      MS. GATELLI.  Yes.


           19                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.


           20                      MS. FANUCCI:  Yes.


           21                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. Courtright.


           22                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Yes.


           23                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.


           24                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes.  I hereby declare


           25              Item 7-A legally and lawfully adopted.






            1                      MS. GARVEY: 7-B. FOR CONSIDERATION




            3              FOR ADOPTION - FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 28, 2008


            4              - AMENDING FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 123 OF 2007,


            5              ENTITLED, "AN ORDINANCE AUTHORIZING THE




            7              CITY OF SCRANTON TO TAKE ALL NECESSARY






           10              DEVELOPMENT PROGRAMS (AS AMENDED) TO BE




           12              GRANT (CDBG) PROGRAM, HOME INVESTMENT




           14              SHELTER GRANT (ESG) PROGRAM", BY


           15              TRANSFERRING $90,000.00 FROM PROJECT 02-234




           17              NO. 08-248 ELECTRIC CITY TELEVISION.


           18                      MR. MCGOFF: What is the


           19              recommendation of the Chairperson for the


           20              Committee on Community Development?


           21                      MS. FANUCCI: As Chairperson for the


           22              Committee on Community Development, I


           23              recommend final passage of Item 7-B.


           24                      MR. MCGOFF: Second.  On the


           25              question?






            1                      MS. EVANS: Yes.  I was looking


            2              through information that was given to all of


            3              council by I believe Lori Reed of the OECD


            4              Office, and I noticed a few provisions that


            5              I think are pertinent to these financial


            6              transactions, one stating that the economic


            7              development specialists will review all


            8              funding sources, etcetera, to ensure that


            9              proceeds from the loan will not be used to


           10              pay existing debt or satisfy terms of a


           11              bridge loan.  So, I think that certainly


           12              that's -- or should be a very good guarantee


           13              that none of the $90,000 can be used to pay


           14              for any of the expenses already incurred at


           15              ECTV.


           16                      Also, the deputy director will


           17              evaluate the management resumes of each


           18              principal borrower and review their personal


           19              financial statements to determine the


           20              ability of the applicant to manage the


           21              business and assess the risk associated with


           22              each.  I would assume that the deputy


           23              director has done her due diligence there,


           24              but certainly questions arose regarding


           25              personal financial statements of those who






            1              are considered management of that


            2              organization.


            3                      And then finally, under covenants


            4              and conditions, Section F, tax status, the


            5              borrower has filed and shall as required


            6              file in a timely manner all federal, state,


            7              and local tax returns and has paid or shall


            8              pay all taxes shown to be due thereon.  That


            9              again raises another problem with the


           10              principals involved with this loan, the


           11              individuals who would be signing on the


           12              dotted lines, so I can see that OECD has


           13              certainly very stringent requirements for


           14              the awarding of loans and grants, etcetera,


           15              I just don't know that they are being


           16              followed, so I will be voting, no.


           17                      MS. FANUCCI: They have to be


           18              followed to be able to get the money from


           19              the state.  It's actually not OECD's


           20              stringent laws, it's the state laws, so they


           21              have to be followed for them to release the


           22              funds, so that might give you a little


           23              background, you know, they can't just make


           24              them up, it's the state's laws.


           25                      MS. EVANS: Well, I think it's






            1              excellent because it provides such security


            2              for them to say, you know, of course, what I


            3              said applies to, for example, all of the


            4              loans that we are approving today.  So, of


            5              course, such checks and balances have to be


            6              in place, but I do have a problem in that


            7              Mr. Darcy, who is one of the principals in


            8              ECTV according to speakers at city council


            9              and to public records obviously does have


           10              tax problems, so it opens the door to, you


           11              know, how forcefully these provisions are


           12              applied or if they can be overlooked in some


           13              instances.


           14                      MS. FANUCCI: They cannot be


           15              overlooked, the only reason that the


           16              provisions were taken into consideration is


           17              because that has been rectified and there


           18              has been a plan made between Mr. Darcy and


           19              his tax status, so he has been making


           20              payments on that and he has been in an


           21              agreement with the federal tax, so that's


           22              why.


           23                      Also, this is also filed under


           24              corporation which means, you know, just


           25              because I work for a corporation it






            1              certainly doesn't take my tax status into


            2              it, but because of the fact that he has been


            3              on a plan with them and has been for quite


            4              awhile now, not just in light of this


            5              project that is probably why it was all


            6              approved.


            7                      MR. MCGOFF:  Roll call, please?


            8                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.


            9                      MS. EVANS:  No.


           10                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Gatelli.


           11                      MS. GATELLI.  Yes.


           12                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.


           13                      MS. FANUCCI:  Yes.


           14                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. Courtright.


           15                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  No.


           16                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.


           17                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes.  I hereby declare


           18              Item 7-B legally and lawfully adopted.


           19                      MS. GARVEY: 7-C. FOR CONSIDERATION




           21              FOR ADOPTION - FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 30, 2008




           23              TO THE SCRANTON SCHOOL DISTRICT FOR THE




           25              SCHOOL.






            1                      MR. MCGOFF: What is the


            2              recommendation of the Chairperson for the


            3              Committee on Community development?


            4                      MS. FANUCCI: As chairperson for the


            5              Committee on Community Development I


            6              recommend final passage of Item 7-C.


            7                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.


            8                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  Roll


            9              call.


           10                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.


           11                      MS. EVANS:  Yes.


           12                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Gatelli.


           13                      MS. GATELLI.  Yes.


           14                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.


           15                      MS. FANUCCI:  Yes.


           16                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. Courtright.


           17                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Yes.


           18                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.


           19                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes.  I hereby declare


           20              Item 7-C legally and lawfully adopted.


           21                      MS. GARVEY: 7-D. FOR CONSIDERATION




           23              FOR ADOPTION - RESOLUTION NO. 42, 2008 -




           25              CITY OFFICIALS TO GRANT A SPECIAL








            2              PUB, TO OPERATE AND OUTDOOR RESTAURANT AT


            3              300-302 ADAMS AVENUE, SCRANTON,


            4              PENNSYLVANIA.


            5                      MR. MCGOFF: What is the


            6              recommendation of the Chairperson for the


            7              Committee on Community Development?


            8                      MS. FANUCCI: As Chairperson for the


            9              Committee on Community Development, I


           10              recommend final passage of Item 7-D.


           11                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.


           12                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question.


           13                      MS. GATELLI: Yeah, I just have a


           14              question, that maybe we can find out,


           15              Mrs. Garvey, from the License and Permits


           16              Department, I know that a lot of restaurants


           17              are putting tables outside and I do think


           18              it's very nice and appealing and comfortable


           19              in the warmer months, although, I'm a little


           20              concerned when there is tables outside about


           21              traffic and about having an accident and


           22              people being injured when they are sitting


           23              out on a sidewalk.  I know that there are


           24              some places that have bollards, concrete


           25              bollards near the curb stone to prevent an






            1              accident from happening, so I would just


            2              like to know from Mr. Seitzinger if we do


            3              have an ordinance for that when they have


            4              outside eating, are there measures taken to


            5              prevent an accident from happening because


            6              they are all near vehicular traffic and it


            7              is to be a concern, but other than that I


            8              think it's a great idea.


            9                      MR. MCGOFF:  Roll call, please?


           10                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.


           11                      MS. EVANS:  Yes.


           12                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Gatelli.


           13                      MS. GATELLI.  Yes.


           14                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.


           15                      MS. FANUCCI:  Yes.


           16                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. Courtright.


           17                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Yes.


           18                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.


           19                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes.  I hereby declare


           20              Item 7-D legally and lawfully adopted.


           21                      MS. GARVEY: 7-E. FOR CONSIDERATION


           22              BY THE COMMITTEE ON RULES - FOR ADOPTION -


           23              RESOLUTION NO. 43, 2008 - APPOINTMENT OF


           24              RYAN MCGOWAN, 735 NORTH BROMLEY AVENUE,


           25              SCRANTON, PENNSYLVANIA, 18504, TO THE








            2              30, 2008.  MR. MCGOWAN WILL BE REPLACING


            3              DOUG HEIN WHO RESIGNED.


            4                      MR. MCGOFF:  As Chairperson for the


            5              Committee on Rules, I recommend final


            6              passage of Item 7-E.


            7                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Second.


            8                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  Roll


            9              call, please?


           10                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.


           11                      MS. EVANS:  Yes.


           12                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Gatelli.


           13                      MS. GATELLI.  Yes.


           14                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.


           15                      MS. FANUCCI:  Yes.


           16                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. Courtright.


           17                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Yes.


           18                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.


           19                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes.  I hereby declare


           20              Item 7-E legally and lawfully adopted.


           21              Thank you for your participation.  A motion


           22              to adjourn.


           23                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.












            2                     C E R T I F I C A T E




            4        I hereby certify that the proceedings and


            5   evidence are contained fully and accurately in the


            6   notes of testimony taken by me at the hearing of the


            7   above-captioned matter and that the foregoing is a true


            8   and correct transcript of the same to the best of my


            9   ability.







                                    CATHENE S. NARDOZZI, RPR

           13                       OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER