1              SCRANTON CITY COUNCIL MEETING








            5                          HELD:




            7                   Tuesday, July 8, 2008




            9                        LOCATION:


           10                    Council Chambers


           11                 Scranton City Hall


           12              340 North Washington Avenue


           13                Scranton, Pennsylvania











































                MS. JANET E. EVANS



            9   MS. SHERRY FANUCCI



                MR. WILLIAM COURTRIGHT



































            1   (Pledge of Allegiance recited and moment of reflection


            2   observed.)


            3                      MR. MCGOFF:  Roll call, please.


            4                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.


            5                      MS. EVANS:  Here.


            6                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Gatelli.


            7                      MS. GATELLI.  Here.


            8                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.


            9                      MS. FANUCCI:  Here.


           10                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. Courtright.


           11                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Here.


           12                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF:  Here.  Dispense with


           14              the reading of the minutes, and just for the


           15              record, City Clerk, Kay Garvey, is not with


           16              us today and also Attorney John Williams is


           17              acting as solicitor in the absence of


           18              Attorney Minora.  Third Order.


           19                      MR. WILLIAMS: THREE.  REPORTS AND






           22              CLERK'S NOTES:  NO BUSINESS AT THIS TIME.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.  Any


           24              announcements?


           25                      MS. EVANS: Yes.  The Lackawanna






            1              County Taxpayers' Association will sponsor a


            2              day of free swimming at Nay Aug Park Swim


            3              Complex on Wednesday, July 9, for Sister


            4              Adrian Barrett's group of children Friends


            5              of the Poor, and on Saturday and Sunday July


            6              12 and 13 from 12 to 6 p.m. for all children


            7              15 years of change and under.  Mr. Bill


            8              Jackowitz and Mr. Andy Sbaraglia have


            9              generously spearheaded the Kids Swim Free


           10              Program each year.  Checks can be made


           11              payable to "Kids Swim Free" and all


           12              donations can be mailed to Mr. William


           13              Jackowitz, 1416 South Webster Avenue,


           14              Scranton, PA, 18505.  Please help this


           15              worthy cause.  And I hope the children of


           16              Scranton will enjoy a wonderful weekend of


           17              free swimming.


           18                      Also, on Sunday, July 13, St. Peter


           19              and Paul Russian Orthodox church will


           20              sponsor a chicken barbecue from 12 to 2.


           21              It's one of the best summer dinners in our


           22              area and takeouts will also be available.


           23                   On Saturday, July 26, there will be a


           24              benefit for Kelly Osborne from 1 to 6 p.m.


           25              at the Minooka Legion.  Kelly, a graduate of






            1              Scranton high school and a wonderful young


            2              woman, is in need of our help to pay for


            3              serious medical expenses.  Tickets are $10


            4              and can be purchased at the door or from


            5              members of the Minooka Lion's Club.  Please


            6              come out and help Kelly and her family on


            7              Saturday, July 26.


            8                      MR. MCGOFF: Anyone else?


            9                      MS. EVANS: One more item, I'm sorry.


           10              I announced this last week, but there is an


           11              update on this, in regards to the 2004


           12              Windstar van that Mr. Allen Rubenstein would


           13              like to donate to a local nonprofit.  The


           14              transmission work will not be necessary.


           15              I'm going to provide that for the vehicle,


           16              so if there is any nonprofit who is in need


           17              of transportation please contact the office


           18              of city council for the donation of a 2004


           19              Ford Windstar van.


           20                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.  Citizens'


           21              participation.  Andy Sbaraglia.


           22                      MR. SBARAGLIA: Andy Sbaraglia,


           23              citizen of Scranton.  Fellow Scrantonians,


           24              somebody dropped off I guess it was a report


           25              probably from the federal government on






            1              Daron Industries up there, which I read, but


            2              there was one glaring oversight in that


            3              whole piece of I guess you could call it


            4              legislation, well, it wasn't legislation,


            5              but results of their findings, one was there


            6              was no long-term soil samples taken for the


            7              length that business has been up there or


            8              there was no long-term air quality given to


            9              this project up there at all when the


           10              complaints came in, that's the first thing


           11              that should have been done.  They should


           12              have had air quality monitoring and they


           13              should have had soil monitoring and the


           14              report also states that if you get cancer it


           15              takes from 10 to 20 years for it to occur


           16              with this type of pollution, so somewhere


           17              along the line that site should be monitored


           18              after Daron leaves in 2008 to make sure that


           19              there is no contamination to the soil or to


           20              the surrounding soil around that site.


           21              That's important to the people that live


           22              there.  It's, unfortunate if you want to


           23              protect your children.


           24                       If it was my child I would be out


           25              there getting somebody to give me some kind






            1              of an air monitoring system that's approved


            2              and every piece of dust that fell on my car,


            3              on my window sill, would be placed in an


            4              envelope and marked when it is so you have


            5              something to fall back on 10 or 20 years


            6              from now when people in that area may be


            7              getting cancer or may not be getting cancer,


            8              but at least you have some evidence that


            9              went on at that site.


           10                      Okay, your "C", 5-C.  It has to do


           11              with you appointing an advisory capacity.


           12              Now, if I'm wrong don't we have a cable


           13              advisory board somewhere along the line


           14              which Mr. Spano held?  How come that's not


           15              brought in at all?  They wanted to --


           16              actually, they were cut out of the whole


           17              deal.  I remember Mr. Spano saying when you


           18              want to look for this new TV station to read


           19              these proposals that they wanted to be


           20              involved in it, but they weren't.  This is


           21              Doherty's TV station.  He is going to give


           22              them the money, he is going to do whatever


           23              it takes to get that station up.  Why?  I


           24              don't know why, maybe he has political


           25              ambitions.  What better way to propose your






            1              political ambitions other than having your


            2              own TV station putting up the skill, but


            3              that's going to happen.


            4                      Okay, I'm not going to get into the


            5              $90,000 because I think that's a done deal.


            6              I think it was a done deal when Mr. Doherty


            7              says, "I'm looking for someone else to


            8              provide TV service.  I believe it was a done


            9              deal then, I believe it's a done deal now,


           10              and nothing that happened afterwards changed


           11              my mind.  In fact, it's certain.  With the


           12              $10,000 what went up around and back again


           13              or this other $90,000, this is Doherty TV


           14              station is he going to use it for political


           15              spiel more than anything else.  He don't


           16              like the negatives and this city is full of


           17              negatives, not that we want to be negative,


           18              we love this city, we wouldn't be here.


           19                      I lived here all my life, I never


           20              wanted to live anywhere else.  I love


           21              Scranton, I love the hills, I love the area


           22              and I love the people, but I don't like to


           23              see what's happening to the people.  You are


           24              driving them out of their homes.


           25                      You don't even know what to look






            1              forward to when these people have to pay


            2              $4.00 or $4.50 a gallon for oil.  They use


            3              about 1,000 gallons of oil in the heat


            4              assistance I guess in this area, that's like


            5              four to 5,000 bucks.  A lot of elderly


            6              aren't going to be able to do it, but you


            7              already made it so when that happens they


            8              lose their home because we already got all


            9              of these other penalties that's going to be


           10              pushed on them and you don't believe this


           11              was contrived?


           12                      I don't know.  I believe you follow


           13              the dots.  They used to say follow the money


           14              trail, I say follow the dots.  People know


           15              what's going to happen, I knew what was


           16              going to happen so they knew what was going


           17              to happen.  When you sold off them


           18              delinquent notes all the way along the line


           19              you knew a lot of people were going to


           20              suffer, but you care little about it.  You


           21              did it anyway.  So it's going to fall in and


           22              I don't know what's going to happen to those


           23              people, especially what's happening down in


           24              Wilkes-Barre even with taxes.  The taxes are


           25              going sky high down in Luzerne County and if






            1              you follow what happened and they are the


            2              same people that did Scranton.  I thank you


            3              very much.


            4                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you,


            5              Mr. Sbaraglia.  Ozzie Quinn.


            6                      MR. QUINN:  Ozzie Quinn, Taxpayers'


            7              Association.  Thank you.  Mrs. Evans, I


            8              wanted to thank you for that donation and


            9              anybody else that gave a donation to the


           10              Kids Swim for Free, I know that Mrs. Evans


           11              just gave it that's why I noted her


           12              contribution and I do want to mention the


           13              fact that I appreciate you announcing those


           14              dates, but if you didn't get it you can go


           15              to ScrantonTaxpayers.org and you can get the


           16              address from there, okay?


           17                      Now, I just want to mention the


           18              facts that we are talking about, I read this


           19              morning about the Recovery Plan and about


           20              the mayor is going to cut jobs and so on,


           21              now, let's not fool ourselves, this mayor is


           22              circumventing what's going on here.  I have


           23              here for the Sewer Authority they have over


           24              $1 million in salaries put on their since


           25              Mayor Doherty has taken office.  For






            1              instance, the managers, top manager is


            2              82,640.  Next, 70,000, 59,000, 59,000,


            3              59,000, 40,000, 48,000.  This one is a


            4              school board director, 47,500.  39,000.


            5              38,000.  Chief plant operator, 46,000, I'm


            6              rounding them out.  Pool system capacity


            7              technician, 48,000.  Master electrician,


            8              42,000.  Senior laboratory technician,


            9              41,000.  Assistant plant operator/utility


           10              operator, 41,000.  Equipment operator,


           11              41,000.  Equipment operator, 41,000.


           12              Operator A, 41,000.  Laborer, 40,000.


           13              Senior laboratory techniques, 40,000.


           14              Vehicle mechanic, 40,000.  Chief cashier,


           15              40,000.  Assistant plant operator, utility


           16              operator, 38,000.  Equipment operator


           17              collection line, 38,000.  Equipment operator


           18              collection line, 38,000.  Equipment operator


           19              "B", 38,000.  Laboratory assistance, 38,000.


           20              Laborer, 38,000.  Laborer, 38,000.


           21              Assistant chief cashier, and I believe this


           22              one is the school board's wife or sister,


           23              38,000.  Groundskeeper/inventory clerk,


           24              37,000.  Laborer, 37,000.  Laborer, 37,000.


           25              Laborer, 37,000.  Laborer, 37,000.  Janitor






            1              36,000.  Laborer, 36,000.  Laborer, 46,000.


            2              Laborer, 46,000.  Laborer, 36,000.  Laborer


            3              and collection line, 36,000.  Labor and


            4              collection line, 37,000.  Assistant vehicle


            5              mechanic, 37,000.  Lab assistant, 36.000.


            6              Laborer, 36,000.  Laborer, 36,000.


            7                      You know, you know where that money


            8              comes from, your sewer rate increase and


            9              this is what happened back in May of 2007


           10              when Mayor Doherty with Anglican-American


           11              circumvented the Home Rule Charter and went


           12              down and gave the Sewer Authority the


           13              autonomy to raise the rates of the sewer --


           14              of the homeowners, the property owners in


           15              the City of Scranton without coming before


           16              city council.  The results over $1 million


           17              without health benefits, I didn't include


           18              that, and there he is making a big deal in


           19              the Scranton Times this morning that he is


           20              going to have a Recovery Plan, well, we now


           21              that he is circumventing everything.


           22                      Now, let's go back, this was on


           23              WILK, okay, where I got some of this


           24              information on the radio, let's go back to


           25              March 9, '06:  "MRS. GARVEY: FOR








            2              DEVELOPMENT," this is verbatim off of your


            3              -- okay, on-line, "FOR ADOPTION, FILE OF


            4              COUNCIL NO. 20, 2006, AN ORDINANCE,






            7              EXCEED $577,000 FROM ACCOUNT 91400,




            9              GRANTS FOR VARIOUS ELIGIBLE PROJECTS.


           10                      MS. GATELLI:  What is the


           11              recommendation of the chairman on community


           12              development?


           13                      MRS. NEALON-FANUCCI: As chairman for


           14              the committee on community development, I


           15              recommend final passage of Item 7-B.


           16                      MR. MCTIERNAN: Second."


           17                      Now, he took that $10,000 out of


           18              that you UDAG money that you see here, okay,


           19              and he gave it the East Scranton Business


           20              Association.  He laundered it down to ECTV


           21              without coming before city council.  Should


           22              he?  Let me read it verbatim.  I wanted to


           23              see -- okay, this here, "MR. MCTIERNAN:


           24              Attorney Minora, can I ask you a question,


           25              please, and I think I know that --" may I






            1              finish this, it's only two seconds?


            2                      MR. MCGOFF: Please.


            3                      MR. QUINN: Thank you.


            4                      "But, I'll ask it.


            5                      MR. MINORA:  Shoot.


            6                      MR. MCTIERNAN:  After this is


            7              approved and there are projects that are


            8              worthy projects of this, do these loans or


            9              projects have to come before council for


           10              final approval?


           11                      MRS. GATELLI: Yes, they do.


           12                      MR. MINORA: They do.


           13                      MR. MCTIERNAN: So none of this money


           14              will be spent without our approval down the


           15              road?


           16                      MRS. GATELLI: No.


           17                      MR. MINORA: That's correct."


           18                      Now, something has gone amiss some


           19              place.  Thank you very much.


           20                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr. Quinn.


           21              Barb O'Malley.


           22                      MS. O'MALLEY: Barbara O'Malley.  At


           23              the July 1 council meeting it was revealed


           24              that the East Scranton Business Association


           25              gifted ECTV $10,000.  The source of the






            1              money according to the East Scranton


            2              Business Association was OECD.  It is


            3              unclear how the money was approved until the


            4              mayor said he provided the money from


            5              $577,000 that council approved for his usage


            6              on March 9, 2006.


            7                      At that meeting council approved the


            8              $577,000 after a detailed discussion of what


            9              the money could be used for and if any


           10              projects or loans needed further approval


           11              from the Scranton City Council.  The


           12              transcript reads:  "MR. MCTIERNAN: Attorney


           13              Minora, can I ask you a question please and


           14              I think the I know the answer but I will ask


           15              it anyhow.


           16                      MR. MINORA:  Shoot.


           17                      MR. MCTIERNAN: After if this is


           18              approved and there are projects that are


           19              worthy of projects of this do those loans


           20              and projects have to come before council for


           21              final approval?


           22                      MRS. GATELLI: Yes, they do.


           23                      MR. MINORA: They do.


           24                      MR. MCTIERNAN: So, there is none of


           25              this money will be spent without our






            1              approval down the road?


            2                      MRS. GATELLI: No.


            3                      MR. MINORA:  That's correct."


            4                      After further discussion the


            5              ordinance passed legally and lawfully


            6              adopted.  So, here we are down the road and


            7              the mayor, according to the Scranton Times


            8              in a radio interview, says the $577,000 was


            9              approved for his use and he decided that the


           10              $10,000 was needed to eliminate blight at


           11              the church ECTV is using for it's studios.


           12              Did Attorney Minora, then council president


           13              Mrs. Gatelli, and Councilmen McTiernan


           14              provide incorrect information thus


           15              misleading their fellow council members and


           16              the public or did Mr. Doherty just do his


           17              own thing and bypass city council?  I hope


           18              this quandary will be addressed by


           19              Mrs. Gatelli and Attorney Minora, but,


           20              unfortunately, he is not here.


           21                      How did Mr. Doherty get $10,000 into


           22              the hands of ECTV without council's


           23              approval?  Apparently, through the East


           24              Scranton Business Association.  The money


           25              that the association gifted to ECTV came






            1              from UDAG funds, taxpayers' money.  How did


            2              the mayor transfer money to the East


            3              Scranton Business Association to ECTV?  Is


            4              there a paper trail open to the public?


            5                      It is my understanding that federal


            6              funds cannot be handed out by OECD or the


            7              mayor without an application stating what it


            8              would be used for and proper documentation.


            9                      Did the East Scranton Business


           10              Association file an application with OECD


           11              stating the money would be used to eliminate


           12              blight at the church at 933 Prescott Avenue?


           13              At the March 9, 2006, meeting Mrs. Gatelli


           14              referenced her former employment at OECD


           15              when discussing the OECD funds in question.


           16              The transcript reads:  "MRS. GATELLI:  When


           17              you work in OECD and you have a pool of


           18              money you don't know what the projects are


           19              until the people come and ask you for the


           20              money.  It's not like you have money and


           21              say, oh, I've got this money, now I'm going


           22              to give it to Janet Evans, Sherry Fanucci,


           23              Judy and Bill and Bob because they are my


           24              friends and they are going to do a project.


           25              It doesn't work that way."






            1                      Well, it certainly appears to me


            2              that in the case of ECTV that is exactly how


            3              it worked.


            4                      Now, onto 933 Prescott Avenue the


            5              reported blighted property where ECTV has


            6              it's studios.  This property, a stately


            7              well-maintained brick church was purchased


            8              in January 2007 for $250,000 by Lackawanna


            9              Institute.  Lackawanna Institute and it's


           10              principal are very well-known for the


           11              acquisition, improvement and upkeep of


           12              properties throughout the Hill Section.  It


           13              seems highly unlikely that Lackawanna


           14              Institute would request funds from the East


           15              Scranton Business Association for blight


           16              removal from this property or any other for


           17              that matter.


           18                      According to my research, HUD


           19              provides federal funding for eligible


           20              projects that address blight on a spot basis


           21              if the rehab is limited to those conditions


           22              which are detrimental to public health and


           23              safety.  The church at 933 Prescott Avenue


           24              is not and never was blighted by this


           25              definition or any other definition.  I urge






            1              all of you to take a ride to the former


            2              church at 933 Prescott Avenue then compare


            3              it to the deteriorating building at say


            4              Cedar and Elm in South Scranton, now that's


            5              blight.  Again, the red flags are abundant


            6              when it comes to ECTV from the mayor


            7              disregarding council's authority to the


            8              trumped up blight case.  Why is it so


            9              important for Mayor Doherty to personally


           10              ensure Scranton Today's demise and ECTV's


           11              success?  Does anybody really believe that


           12              the selection funding of ECTV has been an


           13              above board process?  I urge you to end this


           14              charade by not approving the additional


           15              $90,000 for the mayor's deal.


           16                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you,


           17              Mrs. O'Malley.  Sam Patilla.


           18                      MR. PATILLA: Good afternoon, Mrs.


           19              Evans and Mr. Courtright.  I, too, want to


           20              speak on Channel 61 ECTV.  You know, me


           21              personally, this is just my opinion, okay,


           22              that it is as stated earlier the mayor's TV


           23              station, okay?  When I first started


           24              appearing before council, you know, I had to


           25              listen to taxpayers being called the Legion






            1              of Doom and yada, yada, yada and everything


            2              else underneath the sun, as a bunch of


            3              malcontents.  Well, evidently these


            4              malcontents have been speaking the truth


            5              because one time the cameras in this


            6              chambers were removed.  Now, we have an


            7              organization that wouldn't cow-tow down to


            8              this mayor and a blatant attempt to control


            9              what the taxpayers have access to in regards


           10              to this city council.


           11                      Now, as I stated before, I don't


           12              know whether the owner of ECTV has liens


           13              against him present or past or whatever the


           14              case may be, but I do know that this


           15              administration has a history of taking


           16              moneys that can be used to assist our


           17              children, our elderly, and our poor.  I


           18              haven't gotten all of the information on the


           19              Friendship House yet, but I guarantee you


           20              that that $90,000 could be put better to use


           21              by what they intended to use that money for


           22              than an organization that came to city


           23              council with an empty hands requesting city


           24              taxpayer money.


           25                      You know, I just can't understand






            1              this.  I know personally that this thing is


            2              going to get passed, I know it, so do


            3              98 percent of the people viewing this and


            4              those in the audience, we already know this,


            5              but that doesn't make it right.  You know,


            6              people don't take into consideration when a


            7              government officials, what are the effects,


            8              the economy outside of that municipality,


            9              outside of the locale that's going to have


           10              on your residents?  When that $300,000 was


           11              used in that dog park nobody foresaw the


           12              increases in oil, in gas.  This $90,000 used


           13              to take over that television station nobody


           14              is taking into consideration when the cap


           15              comes off PPL, all right?  This city, this


           16              area is predominantly seniors and low to


           17              moderate income people and children, all


           18              right?  You don't have a lot of rich people


           19              in this city because if you did you wouldn't


           20              be taking money from poor people and the


           21              seniors, you wouldn't have to, you would use


           22              your own money.


           23                      You know, Daddy Warbucks here, all


           24              right, every time I turn around he is taking


           25              money from the poor, from the kids, from the






            1              elderly, it's sickening.  You know,


            2              sometimes you just have to stand up and say


            3              enough is enough.  I'm not going to be a


            4              party to that.  I don't care what the


            5              repercussions are I have values, I have


            6              morals, I'm not going to do it.  Now, like I


            7              said, I haven't gotten the backup on this


            8              Friendship House yet, but I guarantee you


            9              that they have a better use and a better


           10              purpose for that money than somebody that


           11              can't pay their own bills.  I thank you for


           12              your time.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr. Patilla.


           14              Rich Gilroy.


           15                      MR. GILROY: Rich Gilroy, resident of


           16              Scranton.  I'm here because my mom is a


           17              homeowner up in North Scranton and she


           18              shares her house with a Village Park


           19              Apartments, it's a housing development.


           20              There is a dumpsters there with no lids on


           21              them, we are waiting a year for them to be


           22              on them.  Nothing.  All garbage all over and


           23              I have pictures here, blighted houses, out


           24              of town landlords, there is two houses next


           25              to my mom, out of town landlords.  The grass






            1              is never cut.  The one is running an illegal


            2              garage fixing cars, all you hear is motors


            3              running in there, compressors, you smell


            4              paint fumes and they are getting away with


            5              it.  In the house next to my mom is a busted


            6              shed.  There is all garbage in there, the


            7              grass is never cut, and another thing is


            8              there was a drug house there a couple of


            9              years ago and we had to go to a lawyer


           10              because we couldn't get them out of there


           11              and we left a message with the safety


           12              director who would in the answer the call


           13              until we hired a lawyer about it, so


           14              something has got to be done about those


           15              places up there.  If you would care to look


           16              at these pictures I have them right here?


           17                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Where did you say


           18              it was at, what project?


           19                      MR. GILROY: Village.  Townhouse.


           20                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Townhouse.


           21                      MR. GILROY:  It was a drug place at


           22              one time.  There is no security up there at


           23              all at that housing development, it's


           24              ashame.  My mom is 20 years next month and


           25              it's like living in hell living there, you






            1              wouldn't want to live there to see what goes


            2              on there.  There is a gangs out there


            3              drinking liquor, they are defecating by the


            4              dumpsters, you have to see what it's like to


            5              live up there, it's a shame and my mother is


            6              elderly, that's why I'm here on her behalf,


            7              it's a very rotten shame what we have to put


            8              up up there, no security or nothing, and


            9              that's why I'm here.


           10                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Sir, did they do


           11              away with the cop?  Did they do away with


           12              the cop going out there?


           13                      MR. GILROY:  Saturday there might be


           14              Carrie Iaaavazzi is the park manager and she


           15              said on Saturday they might have security


           16              there from maybe until 12, but they are out


           17              all hours of the night where you see bottles


           18              of liquor, beer, be sitting in cars, sitting


           19              on curbstones, it's terrible.  You wouldn't


           20              want to live up there.  My mom --


           21                      MR. COURTRIGHT: They used to have a


           22              Scranton police officer there.  They don't


           23              have it anymore; correct?


           24                      MR. GILROY:  Well, she says on


           25              Saturdays, she hires one on Saturdays.  We






            1              never see any security up there at all.


            2                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  I know her, I'll


            3              talk to her for you.


            4                      MR. GILROY:  My mom had damage from


            5              the fireworks.  They shot those rocket


            6              launchers and it was like World War II when


            7              the Russians were going to Berlin, they had


            8              that noise on them.  They were out and shot


            9              them off the roof, I was sitting on the


           10              steps and I got almost hit in the face, it


           11              missed me, sparks flying all over the place,


           12              and they damaged the -- they burnt the wood


           13              on the steps.  They melted where the fan is


           14              on the side of the house, they melted that


           15              and there is a like a little indentation on


           16              the bottom where I guess where it hit it,


           17              and it landed on the -- there is a park


           18              bench under the steps, it landed under


           19              there.


           20                      But, as they were coming from all


           21              directions, from the project in the back and


           22              where they're running that illegal garage


           23              and there was rocket launchers, they were


           24              just going "Zroop", right over where our


           25              roof, the garage, and there is all trees and






            1              everything in the yard.  It's a shame.  Like


            2              I said, it's a shame, you wouldn't want to


            3              live up there.  It's like living in hell


            4              living there.  Plus with all the blight, the


            5              road is all a mess, you can't even get a


            6              pothole taken care of.  We are waiting three


            7              weeks for a pothole and I talked to one of


            8              the guys down I think it's in -- I can't


            9              think, I forget his name, I was shopping in


           10              Dunmore Saturday, last Saturday, and there


           11              was a DPW truck up at Big Lots, two guys


           12              were in there, the truck was parked right


           13              there.  The guy, Mr. Matthews, that's what


           14              his name was.  He said, "We can't do


           15              anything because we were understaffed."


           16                      I said, "What about those two guys


           17              that were in Dunmore shopping last Saturday


           18              with the DPW truck?"


           19                      They are understaffed, give me a


           20              break.  That's all I have to say.  Thank


           21              you.


           22                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr. Gilroy,


           23              and I do have the list you gave to me.


           24              Brett McCloe.


           25                      MR. MCCLOE: Good afternoon.  My name






            1              is Brett McCloe, Scranton taxpayer, and I


            2              want to talk about some things that were


            3              said last week from you folks up there, and


            4              I had a conversation in the park and the


            5              gentleman came up to me while my children


            6              were playing at one of our city playgrounds


            7              and asked me a very important question,


            8              "Don't you guys have anything better to do


            9              with your time than to criticize the


           10              progress of this mayor and the progress that


           11              this mayor and the city council has made for


           12              the city?"


           13                      My reply became rather quickly and I


           14              said, "Depends on what you call progress."


           15                      I said to him, "Would you allow me


           16              to take your credit card to buy some new


           17              clothes and a very expensive car that you


           18              don't need at all and all in the name of


           19              progress because it is better to look good


           20              than to be good?  Would you be happy with me


           21              taking credit for all your so-called


           22              progress as I leave it up to you to pay the


           23              bill?"


           24                      He laughed.  And my second point


           25              was, no, there is nothing better to do than






            1              to take one or two hours out of every week


            2              or so and come down here to council chambers


            3              and to give my thoughts and my opinions as a


            4              citizen to all the citizens.  I not only


            5              tell you what I think, I will tell you why I


            6              think what I do.  After 15 minutes of


            7              political banter it became very clear that


            8              he was connected.  He had the right look,


            9              the right name, he lived in the right


           10              neighborhood, owned and operated the right


           11              business.  He said, "The Lord helps those


           12              who help themselves."


           13                      I said, "I'm quite sure you have


           14              helped yourself quite a bit without help


           15              from the Lord.  You must be one of those who


           16              believe our local government can walk on


           17              water."


           18                      He bragged, that's what the beauty


           19              of political contributions and 3-2 votes.


           20              He became very angry when I confronted him


           21              with his own humanity and lack of economic


           22              compassion.  The inevitable conclusion to


           23              our conversation was summed up by his


           24              parting statement, "Blank the people," to


           25              which I replied, "That's my point exactly."






            1                      That statement alone is why people


            2              come to these council meetings to combat


            3              legislation that reeks of impropriety and is


            4              fueled by this blank the people mindset.


            5                   Was this one of the other people in the


            6              city who people say they represent?  I hope


            7              this is not the time of constituent any of


            8              you or any elected official would base the


            9              needs of this city upon.  We all know one of


           10              these other people in this city, and except


           11              for the possible warped sense of community


           12              these people are fairly honest and good


           13              people, but there does need to be a constant


           14              open dialogue between citizens of this city


           15              not just between here and there, to each one


           16              speak to one.  We have to change the


           17              psychology and the way we feel about each


           18              other in order for us to truly progress.


           19                   Mr. McGoff, as a former teacher you


           20              above all should understand the importance


           21              of the history of this city and the


           22              psychology of the people who live in it.


           23              This has always been a city where back room


           24              deals were made and where most citizens turn


           25              their back on malfeasance and the appearance






            1              of impropriety in order to safeguard their


            2              jobs, their livelihood and their social


            3              standing.  Generation after generation has


            4              survived and thrived off of political slight


            5              of hand.


            6                      Unfounded allegations and character


            7              assaults are a natural result of a


            8              rightfully cynical society with instant


            9              access to information.  Unfortunately,


           10              sometimes misinformation, mistrust,


           11              misbehavior, and a lack of decorum go


           12              hand-in-hand with the abolishment and


           13              dismantling of Scranton's very old 150 year


           14              old fueled system and the creation of a


           15              democracy where democracy existed before.


           16                      I guess I don't know much about the


           17              mechanics of how the city government works,


           18              but I am trying to learn.  It's the people


           19              ourselves who have to change first because


           20              we will become them.  They are not going to


           21              be there forever, we will all -- some of us


           22              will be getting voted into those seats in 5,


           23              10, 15 years.  Thank you.


           24                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you Mr. McCloe.


           25              Les Spindler.






            1                      MR. SPINDLER: Morning, Council.  Les


            2              Spindler, city resident, homeowner.


            3              Mr. McGoff, two weeks ago you stated that


            4              someone from the University of Scranton told


            5              you the people that play soccer down at the


            6              South Side complex did not pay.  Well, what


            7              did you think they were going to tell you?


            8              Did you think they were going to tell you


            9              the truth?  Did you go down and ask the


           10              people that are actually paying?  Did you go


           11              down to the complex and ask the people down


           12              there if they are paying?  I did,


           13              Mr. McGoff, go talk to the people that are


           14              playing.  They pay to play on Sunday and if


           15              the University does own that complex where


           16              is the rest of the money they owe the city


           17              for it?  And where is the lighted ballfield


           18              they were supposed to build for the city?


           19              Did the cat get your tongue, Mr. McGoff?


           20                      MR. MCGOFF:  I didn't realize they


           21              were questions, no.


           22                      MR. SPINDLER: Forget about it then.


           23              They are just all lies that the University


           24              told you.  Go ask the people that play there


           25              on Sunday if they play or not.  I did.






            1              Maybe it's too much out of your schedule to


            2              go down there on a Sunday.


            3                      MR. MCGOFF: Excuse me.  I gave you


            4              an answer to the questions that you had.


            5                      MR. SPINDLER:  Okay, and I'm telling


            6              you the answer I got from the people that


            7              pay.  I'd like to read something from an


            8              article from the Doherty newsletter last


            9              week, something the mayor said about the


           10              fire and police unions.  The mayor said, "We


           11              don't want to jump the gun and cost the


           12              taxpayers anymore money."


           13                      Is he joking?  He doesn't want to


           14              cost the taxpayers any more money?  He must


           15              have cost them millions in arbitration


           16              appeals already and now he doesn't want to


           17              cost the taxpayers anymore money?  I can't


           18              believe this guy.  He is a joke.


           19                      And then a day or two later I read


           20              something else in the Doherty newsletter,


           21              "TV switch has more to offer," and I had a


           22              lot of respect for Stacy Brown until I read


           23              this article, I'm just going to read bits


           24              and pieces of it.  It starts off, "A


           25              colorful screen bursting with fireworks and






            1              chocked full of information."


            2                      Stacy, the fireworks weren't real.


            3              From help lines to hot lines to happenings,


            4              that were placed in there which viewers of


            5              public access Channel 61 and 62 have


            6              recently grown accustomed to."


            7                      Scranton Today showed all of those


            8              things and more.  And, lastly, it also says


            9              that cable access television is more than


           10              just showing city council meetings.  Well,


           11              Stacy, you and the mayor should have seen


           12              the pie chart that Scranton Today gave and


           13              it's RFP.  It showed only 28 percent of


           14              their programming was government meetings,


           15              72 percent of their programming was other


           16              coverage, so these people should get the


           17              facts straight because the mayor said he


           18              picked ECTV because Scranton Today only


           19              showed government meetings.  That's a lie


           20              and their pie chart proves it.


           21                      Also, about that $10,000.  I think


           22              there should be an investigation on that.


           23              There might be money laundering, the mayor


           24              had to come before council and get that


           25              money approved.  He didn't do it, he






            1              circumvented council to get an outrageous


            2              sewer authority raise of almost double, then


            3              he circumvents council to get $10,000 to


            4              whoever he wants to, this mayor gets what he


            5              wants, all right, he is like a little kid


            6              that wants to take the ball and go home if


            7              he doesn't get what he wants.  This council


            8              gives the mayor whatever he wants and


            9              something has to be done now.  There should


           10              be an investigation, this $10,000 was given


           11              to ECTV illegally and something has to be


           12              done.  Thank you for your time.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr. Spindler.


           14              Ron Ellman.


           15                      MR. ELLMAN:  Yeah, Ronnie Ellman,


           16              homeowner, member of the Taxpayers'


           17              Association.  I've just had a terrible two


           18              weeks and I just feel like taking it out on


           19              you all, but I won't, but my insurance is


           20              just driving me crazy this Hartford.  I


           21              guess you catch enough dickens today.


           22                      I'm going to tell you a real kick


           23              story why I am so impassioned about this


           24              money being taken from Friendship House.  I


           25              told you that my father was in politics in






            1              Tennessee in the 50's and 60's and 70's, and


            2              that's about the time that Danny Thomas was


            3              trying to establish St. Jude Hospital and my


            4              father was very honored to have met him


            5              several times on business and that's when I


            6              was an x-ray technician and he took me down


            7              there one night to meet Mr. Thomas and I


            8              asked him for a job working at Danny Thomas,


            9              this is about six months or a year before


           10              they opened, and I went over a few days


           11              later to wander around and get familiar and


           12              I lasted to lunch time, and I ate my free


           13              lunch and I told this Dr. Bassett I'm not


           14              man enough to work around these children.


           15              It's just heartbreaking and then for years I


           16              just felt guilty.  These people they needed


           17              staff members and all and I didn't stay to


           18              help them, so I have always supported Danny


           19              Thomas as much as I could and St. Jude's


           20              Hospital.


           21                      Every time, I'm not saying this to


           22              -- I don't know how to say it without


           23              sounding like a phony or something, when I


           24              see a little baby's picture in the paper in


           25              the obituaries or somebody from St. Joseph's






            1              it's just heartbreaking to me.  Young people


            2              they just don't, you know, haven't lived


            3              their life.


            4                      This thing, the paper I phoned -- I


            5              phoned this last Monday before I came and I


            6              was told what was in the yesterday's paper


            7              that money was collected for that specific


            8              purpose of building a new wing.  Now, you


            9              listen to the big lie from the mayor, there


           10              is no way we can pay this man, we don't have


           11              any business taking it, I just don't -- I


           12              just don't see how they get away with it.  I


           13              have been on the phone all week and I got a


           14              complaint form from the Attorney General's


           15              Office to fill out about when I told them


           16              what was going on.  I am going to do


           17              everything I can to let this state know what


           18              Friendship House, they are not in the


           19              banking business, if they have so much money


           20              then they can loan it to the city, they


           21              shouldn't be out there getting


           22              contributions.


           23                      I have never given them anything,


           24              but the next thing you know what is the


           25              mayor going to ask St. Joseph for some of






            1              their money, you know, or Catholic services,


            2              the Red Cross?  He doesn't have any business


            3              taking money from people that are donating


            4              it for a specific purpose.  He just doesn't


            5              have any feelings for his fellow man.


            6                      You know what, you are like this


            7              one.  When I'm at the Taurus Club, every


            8              time I go to the men's room and talk to


            9              someone I have found out that mayor Doherty


           10              has lost a lot of support with his own crowd


           11              of professionals I guess is the word.  He


           12              just can't go on like this.  He is


           13              alienating the people he needs.  I'm not


           14              really mad at him, I told you, the park was


           15              beautiful when I was down there for the car


           16              show, but he just -- you know, the people of


           17              this city just must make some contributions


           18              to the city and that's voting.     What we


           19              need maybe some public forum or something to


           20              see what's going on and how the people feel,


           21              see how they feel about the mayor, and maybe


           22              I'm wrong, and see how they feel about you


           23              guys.  I don't see anything wrong in having


           24              a public forum, but we can't go on just


           25              borrowing.  They will be out right now






            1              asking for donations and people are taking,


            2              let's just say $1,000 donation, and they are


            3              taking it off their income tax donating it


            4              to their for a specific purpose of a


            5              building fund and it's being given to us.


            6              Now, that can't be legal.  There is


            7              something wrong somewhere.  Thank you very


            8              much.


            9                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr. Ellman.


           10              Liz Hubbard.


           11                      MS. HUBBARD: Morning, Council.  Liz


           12              Hubbard, Scranton resident and taxpayer.


           13              According to the Council minutes of 3-9-06 I


           14              know this has all been said before, but the


           15              money coming out of that $577,000 had to be


           16              approved by council according to Mr.


           17              McTiernan's questions and Mrs. Gatelli and


           18              Mr. Minora's answers.  On that, if these


           19              minutes are correct, when was the $10,000


           20              given to the East Scranton Business


           21              Association and what project was it approved


           22              for?  Can anybody answer that?


           23                      MS. FANUCCI: You are aware it did


           24              not come here?  I mean, we didn't vote on


           25              that.  But, I can tell you what it was --






            1              what it is designated for.  It was


            2              designated for cleanup and for rehab in the


            3              basement facility of that church.


            4                      MS. HUBBARD: When was it given to


            5              them.


            6                      MS. FANUCCI: I don't really know.  I


            7              don't know that date.  I have no idea.  I


            8              know it was a few months, but I don't know


            9              the exact date.


           10                      MS. HUBBARD:  Why was council


           11              bypassed?


           12                      MS. FANUCCI: Well, I do know as far


           13              as UDAG funds are concerned, under a certain


           14              amount does not have to pass through


           15              council, so that has always been.  That's


           16              been --


           17                      MS. HUBBARD:  How very convenient


           18              for --


           19                      MS. FANUCCI: Well, it's been


           20              convenient for all of the mayors.  That is


           21              something that's being going on forever.


           22              This isn't new, this isn't something that


           23              just happened, that has been going forever.


           24              UDAG is pretty much disbursed by the mayor


           25              to do pet projects like the treehouse and






            1              things like that.


            2                      MS. HUBBARD:  Pet projects being the


            3              key word.


            4                      MS. FANUCCI: Yes, being the key


            5              word.


            6                      MS. HUBBARD: Doherty said on the


            7              radio that it was for cleaning up blight,


            8              i.e., cleaning the basement of an old


            9              church.  How does cleaning up the basement


           10              of an old church that is owned by a wealthy


           11              businessman who pays no taxes on any of the


           12              properties he owns because it's a nonprofit,


           13              how does that constitute blight?


           14                      MS. FANUCCI: It is a nonprofit.  It


           15              doesn't matter who owns what, the fact is


           16              it's a nonprofit organization.


           17                      MS. HUBBARD: No, ho, what I'm


           18              saying, if the $10,000 was to clean up the


           19              weeds in the yard or the facade of the


           20              building, okay, that might be classified as


           21              blight, but the 10,000 was to clean up the


           22              basement.


           23                      MS. FANUCCI: Well, blight can be


           24              anything from -- -


           25                      MS. HUBBARD: Who sees the basement?






            1                      MS. FANUCCI: Well, wait, blight can


            2              be anything from code to not code.  Blight


            3              can be, you know, electrical problems.


            4              Blight can be anything.  Blight isn't just


            5              weeds, so it would fall under blight.


            6                      MS. HUBBARD:  Yeah, Mayor Doherty


            7              said it was specifically for cleaning the


            8              basement.  Well, how about I'd like to get


            9              some money to clean my basement.


           10                      MS. FANUCCI: Well, file a nonprofit


           11              and we will see what we can do.  I don't


           12              know what to tell you.


           13                      MS. HUBBARD:  I mean, this is


           14              bordering on the ridiculous that this money


           15              is being funneled to these people and you


           16              said in the morning paper I believe that the


           17              programming is wonderful.  I haven't seen


           18              any programming.


           19                      MS. FANUCCI: Have you been watching?


           20                      MS. HUBBARD:  Every time I turn it


           21              on I get little blight hotline numbers and


           22              all of that stuff.  I haven't seen anything.


           23                      MS. FANUCCI: What did you get last


           24              time in the old station?  I mean, come on,


           25              they are only a few weeks old.






            1                      MS. HUBBARD:  The old station until


            2              they ran out of money.


            3                      MS. FANUCCI: Listen, I'm entitled to


            4              think that the graphics are wonderful and


            5              I'll stand on that.  I think that what I


            6              have seen so far has been really good.


            7                      MS. HUBBARD: All right, well, I


            8              mean, to watch graphics, what can I tell


            9              you.


           10                      MS. FANUCCI: You should.


           11                      MS. HUBBARD:  I would like to have


           12              seen some of this money that's apparently


           13              going for cleaning up blight, some of it to


           14              go toward the flood siren that you people,


           15              all of you unanimously voted on that.


           16                      MS. FANUCCI: I actually checked on


           17              that for you, I checked on that for you


           18              recently, and the reason that you did not


           19              get your flood siren and you will not be


           20              getting your flood siren is because when


           21              they tested all of the flood sirens they


           22              felt that they still can hear them from your


           23              house.


           24                      MS. HUBBARD:  Really?  Because I


           25              didn't see anybody on my front porch






            1              listening.


            2                      MS. FANUCCI: It happened.


            3                      MS. HUBBARD: Well, I didn't hear any


            4              flood sirens.


            5                      MS. FANUCCI: Well, it happened and


            6              they tested them, and it was actually awhile


            7              ago, and so they decided that you actually


            8              are in earshot.  They used whatever the


            9              meter is that this used to measure the


           10              sounds, yeah.


           11                      MS. HUBBARD: Okay.  Maybe the birds


           12              can hear it, but the people can't.


           13                      MS. FANUCCI: But the good thing is,


           14              the good thing is that 30 houses were ripped


           15              down in blight with the money that we did


           16              give out.


           17                      MS. HUBBARD: Well, you know what I


           18              figured, 10,000 could clean out a lot of


           19              skunks and other critters in the city.


           20                      MS. FANUCCI: Well, see, that's good.


           21                      MS. HUBBARD:  Because to me they are


           22              more of a problem than a dirty basement of a


           23              church that's a nonprofit.


           24                      MS. FANUCCI: Everybody has their


           25              cause, which is nice.






            1                      MS. HUBBARD:  I'm sorry, the money


            2              goes to all of these places in the city and


            3              there is so many problems that never get


            4              addressed that it's disgusting.  Anyway,


            5              have a nice day.


            6                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mrs. Hubbard.


            7              Stephanie Galla.


            8                      MS. GALLA: Stephanie Galla, city


            9              resident.  I'm here because I'm frustrated


           10              with the new station, it's not showing the


           11              council meetings, I don't get to see them, I


           12              work for a living, so they need to start


           13              airing them at night.  I realize in the


           14              evenings when they start again we will get


           15              them, but they haven't been conducive to


           16              those of us who work, it's ridiculous.


           17                      The other things are city business,


           18              the mayor again is getting ready to put us


           19              in danger because he is getting ready to cut


           20              more firemen.  I don't know what he doesn't


           21              get that they need some backup and cutting


           22              the staff more is putting my home, my live


           23              and everybody else's life in danger and he


           24              needs to not do this, and I don't know what


           25              you as a council can do, but somebody has






            1              got to get this man under control because he


            2              is just out of control.  You know, he is


            3              trying to blame them for the taxes, well, I


            4              don't know how he can because they haven't


            5              gotten a raise, they work for nothing at


            6              this point because the cost of everything


            7              else has gone up so much.  I don't know how


            8              they expect them to keep going.  You know, I


            9              wouldn't mind paying a little more if I was


           10              getting the services, but how can I get


           11              services when I don't have the manstaff?  It


           12              doesn't even make sense to me.


           13                      He agreed to the arbitration, he


           14              hasn't lived up to it, we all know that.  He


           15              keeps going to Court and he keeps costing us


           16              more money, we all know that, that's not


           17              anything new.  He has taken away baseball


           18              fields on us, he is not replacing them.  He


           19              is taking fields like Weston field that had


           20              two baseball fields, he put soccer fields


           21              in.  Well, it's nice that other people like


           22              to place soccer but I thought this was


           23              American, this was baseball, apple pie and


           24              Chevrolet, you know, that's what I grew up


           25              on.






            1                      I would like some accountability on


            2              the $10,000.  Now, I do understand that we


            3              are supposed to be checking into that now,


            4              did I read that in the paper this morning?


            5              As I read in the paper that he is getting


            6              ready to ax more people.


            7                      I would like to know, you know, like


            8              I don't understand how we let Scranton Today


            9              go.  I don't understand that.  They got


           10              shafted so bad and I think it needs to be


           11              investigated and something should be double


           12              checked.  There was something wrong with


           13              this process totally.  If the mayor wants to


           14              continue to spend money to improve the city


           15              it would more wise to improve the streets.


           16              Now, I realize some of them are state


           17              streets, but, I mean, a lot of the streets


           18              are not and if we want the tourist to come


           19              in we should have decent roads to ride on.


           20              Now, I mean, I understand we are doing


           21              something with 100 block of Lackawanna


           22              Avenue that they just shut down, but, I


           23              mean, that was that for way, way too long.


           24                   You know, now there is a section of


           25              Jefferson, I think belongs to the state, bu






            1              that section right there by the "U" between


            2              Mulberry and Linden that's always a mess,


            3              can somebody, you know, maybe get the state


            4              to take care of that?  It's been a big


            5              pothole for as long as I can remember.


            6                      MS. FANUCCI:  There has been a lot


            7              of fighting, not fighting, but back and


            8              forth on that road because of the PennDOT


            9              and they wanted to make it a passing three


           10              lane where people can pass and the residents


           11              of the Hill and also --


           12                      MS. GALLA: No, this is -- when I'm


           13              talking Jefferson Avenue I'm talking down by


           14              the University.


           15                      MS. FANUCCI: Right.  Right.  The


           16              problem is that they were trying to make it


           17              into like those passing lanes and the


           18              feeling was that if you make cars go faster


           19              on the avenue that it could actually be


           20              worse for the residents, so that's been


           21              going on for a long time between PennDot and


           22              trying to do planting there.


           23                      MS. GALLA: The other spot that


           24              concerns me a lot because I do drive around


           25              the city a lot I get stuck at it lot at






            1              Mulberry Street as you are coming into the


            2              city right at Wyoming it used to have the


            3              arrows to what lane you are supposed to be


            4              in, again, I'm pretty sure that's state, but


            5              it would be great if --


            6                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  They are doing a


            7              study on that, we are looking into it.


            8                      MS. GALLA: Okay.  All right, because


            9              that's just hazardous.


           10                      MS. FANUCCI: That is.


           11                      MS. GALLA: And if they don't want to


           12              put it down on the road, put it up on a pole


           13              so you know what lane you are supposed to be


           14              in.


           15                      MR. COURTRIGHT: They are doing a


           16              study to do a left-hand turn signal.


           17                      MS. GALLA: Oh, okay.  Oh, excellent.


           18              That would be great.


           19                      MS. FANUCCI: Yes, it would be.


           20                      MS. GALLA: Now, I understand that


           21              Fay Franus spoke at council a couple of


           22              weeks ago and she asked Mrs. Gatelli --


           23              spoke to -- this was stated at council that


           24              she had talked to Judy on the phone and that


           25              Judy was going to possibly bring up the






            1              subpoenas and then she decided to wait on


            2              it.  Okay, that's my time.  Thank you.


            3                      MS. GATELLI:  We will be doing them


            4              today.  We will be getting the subpoenas.


            5                      MS. GALLA:  I mean, I don't


            6              understand like we asked you a couple of


            7              weeks to do it but then you were kind of


            8              skiddish about it, what changed.


            9                      MS. GATELLI: No, I wasn't skiddish


           10              at all, the tax collector stated that he


           11              wasn't coming so I didn't see the necessity


           12              of going through all the legalities to get


           13              this, but we are now at our limit and I will


           14              be making that motion today.


           15                      MS. GALLA: Okay, thank you.


           16                      MS. GATELLI: You are welcome.


           17                      MR. MCGOFF: Marie Schumacher.


           18                      MS. SCHUMACHER: Good morning.  Marie


           19              Schumacher.  First, I would ask Mrs. Gatelli


           20              to report the status of the inputs to the


           21              auditors during motions today and how many


           22              of those delinquencies reported several


           23              weeks ago have been satisfied and what


           24              current delinquencies are.


           25                      Second, as to this $10,000, I heard






            1              the mayor on WILK and I have to question his


            2              logic.  I heard him say something to the


            3              effect that he had to give that $10,000 to


            4              ESBA to give to ECTV because the East


            5              Scranton Business Association was an


            6              established entity, yet at the same time he


            7              was asking you all and us taxpayers to foot


            8              the bill for $90,000 to this unknown entity


            9              other than what we know from their proposal,


           10              so I really question the mayor's logic and


           11              also on that $10,000 if those UDAG funds can


           12              be used for code violation repair I think it


           13              would have been really nice if the city had


           14              made that poor man whole who came here at


           15              this podium I believe that lived on Dickson


           16              avenue where his pipes froze and flooded


           17              because the city had his power shut off, and


           18              I think that would be an appropriate use of


           19              those UDAG funds if, in fact, that is how


           20              they are to be used.


           21                      Now, as to the resolution and


           22              ordinance to provide 90,000 precious tax


           23              dollars to ECTV, I want to reiterate several


           24              fallacies used the primary fallacy used as a


           25              basis for gifting these funds to ECTV as the






            1              creation of three low to moderate income


            2              jobs.  As two jobs are being eliminated at


            3              Scranton Today there is only one net job


            4              being created by ECTV and 90,000 is simply


            5              to much for a distressed city to pay for the


            6              creation of a single job.


            7                      Now, let's move on again as I did


            8              last week I want to reiterate, move onto the


            9              inflated proposal submitted by ECTV.  Within


           10              the last two weeks ECTV has admitted or


           11              their personnel have admitted that


           12              individuals included in the proposal for


           13              ECTV operations were not even aware of their


           14              inclusion.  Chris Balton's role apparently


           15              was fulfilled when the inflated proposal was


           16              submitted.  The ECTV inflated proposal also


           17              included over $50,000 of HD equipment.  The


           18              likelihood is that by the time HD reaches


           19              the public access channels any equipment


           20              bought now would be outdated.  Cable


           21              companies are not required to offer HD


           22              bandwidths for peg channels and until and


           23              unless that ever happens precious HD


           24              bandwidth will be used elsewhere.


           25                      The proposal requested us taxpayers






            1              or we taxpayers to pay for the utilities for


            2              the ECTV studios, again, wasn't that clever


            3              of Mr. Mansure to give this tax --


            4              nonproperty tax paying huge entity this big


            5              empty church to ECTV for the rental of only


            6              a dollar a year knowing that we sucker


            7              taxpayers would also be paying to heat up


            8              that huge church and keep his property from


            9              deteriorating.  Very clever.


           10                      Mr. Tom Welby, who seems to be the


           11              selection committee spokesman, has been on


           12              talk radio and has said SCTV was eliminated


           13              due to past performance.  Now, I ask you


           14              again, which is worse, SCTV doing a great


           15              job with extremely limited resources or ECTV


           16              winning with a highly inflated proposal,


           17              again, I would ask you to let your


           18              conscience be your guide.  Thank you.


           19                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mrs.


           20              Schumacher.  Mr. Dobson.


           21                      MR. DOBSON: Good morning, Council.


           22              Dave Dobson, citizen of Scranton, Taxpayer


           23              Association associate.  On Channel 61 I feel


           24              it's ashame that people on both sides who


           25              once were such good friends and possibly






            1              happily employed find themselves at odds


            2              over another's whim.  Now, on the coverage,


            3              an oversight committee, I can't believe that


            4              anyone could be happy with two days a week


            5              during the day coverage.  I think that it


            6              should be expanded that people of all shifts


            7              and should be covered on a rebroadcast


            8              schedule, and possibly maybe a weekend to


            9              run ads, free ads from the ad council isn't


           10              necessarily improvement.  And once again,


           11              it's ashame because I see people on both


           12              sides of this issue arguing with each other


           13              and in disagreements and basically it's over


           14              the whim of one person.


           15                      Now, on our economic development, I


           16              feel once again we need to move to


           17              industrial park development, we have an


           18              excess of former of coal land called


           19              Brownfield.  These lands should be returned


           20              to grade, basic infrastructure dealt with


           21              and industries solicited.  In surrounding


           22              communities, business park development has


           23              caused Big Bass Lake and other lakes in


           24              these areas to become polluted and raised


           25              issues with the residents.  In Waverly we






            1              have a big TCE problem and I might add than


            2              years back I talked to a federal official on


            3              disposal of these and during the 70's it was


            4              perfectly legal to dump it into the soil,


            5              the trichlormethine causes liver cancer and


            6              a number of other maladies and it's in


            7              people's wells.  In our city we have the


            8              infrastructure to deal with these.


            9                      Also, we have the source of


           10              population density and it would make mass


           11              transit more profitable and available work


           12              force in an energy starved environment it


           13              could actually flourish.  Please work on


           14              policy changes to help society make these


           15              changes, these advantages are possibly as


           16              valuable or more than Mideast oil.  Where is


           17              the oil from Iraq that we were all hearing


           18              about a couple of years ago?  Did they think


           19              they were just going to drive in there and


           20              steal it?  I don't think so.  It sounds very


           21              legal to me.


           22                      But one parting thought on these


           23              firemen, what's it's going to do to our


           24              insurance when we are reviewed by insurance


           25              agencies and so forth are we going to wind






            1              up for what might be $50 extra on our


            2              property tax bill to turn around and


            3              possibly pay 300 or 400 more on our fire


            4              insurance, that's a definite possibility.


            5                   Now, I have been asked to ask this by


            6              someone else, and I believe it's right, are


            7              we happy with what we are seeing on ECTV?


            8              Are we happy that the public who works 9 to


            9              5 can't see city council because the


           10              rebroadcast schedule of ECTV, 2:30 p.m. and


           11              9:30 a.m.  Why isn't meetings being


           12              broadcast in the evening?


           13                      Once again, I feel it's an awful


           14              shame.  I don't know, it's probably gone too


           15              far for anybody to shake hands and makeup at


           16              this time, but it's ashame that's the one or


           17              two people or the three people on a


           18              committee can decide what everybody else.  I


           19              would think being a paying customer of


           20              ComCast I should have been asked who I want


           21              as a broadcaster and how much money I want


           22              donated.  Thank you and have a good day.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr. Dobson.


           24              Kevin Murphy.


           25                      MR. MURPHY: Good morning, Council.






            1              Kevin Murphy, 547 Lincoln Street.  I stand


            2              her before you with a unique perspective, I


            3              sat on the dais there as a council person


            4              and as a council president and now today I


            5              speak before you as a taxpayer.  The ECTV


            6              issue, it's not -- doesn't seem to be a


            7              money issue.  Now, I understand from serving


            8              on council that certain monies that are


            9              allocated through OECD can be recycled after


           10              three years to be used for various projects


           11              that don't have to meet the same criteria


           12              that an initial application for OECD funding


           13              are required to meet.  So, I don't really


           14              want to dwell on the funding, although, I


           15              think it should be looked into because


           16              although you can use that recycled UDAG


           17              money for various projects, as I said, I


           18              don't believe that you could be given to the


           19              Scranton Business Association and them to


           20              unilaterally make the decision to give it to


           21              another entity.  I think there may be a


           22              problem there, but my primary focus and what


           23              I want to speak to you about is the


           24              accessibility of government and governmental


           25              body meetings and the municipal meetings






            1              here in Scranton and Lackawanna County.


            2              Now, I want to also congratulate Scranton


            3              Tomorrow and Scranton Today for the nine


            4              years of service and for operating here in


            5              these chambers and throughout the city in


            6              Lackawanna County, I think they did an


            7              excellent job, and as I said, from my


            8              perspective as a councilman sitting up there


            9              and council president at one point I know


           10              how difficult it is, and I respect everyone


           11              that sits up there who is running for office


           12              and trying your best to serve the public and


           13              I would hope that when people come to speak


           14              before council as when I sat where you are


           15              sitting now that they are respectful and


           16              that they make their point and we're able to


           17              agree to disagree without too much


           18              contentiousness.


           19                      But, anyhow, that having been said,


           20              and I know that's not only the case, but


           21              what I want to talk to you about is the


           22              accessibility of these meetings and we have


           23              a very diverse working community out there.


           24              There is people that work first, second,


           25              third shifts in this economic crises that we






            1              are currently in.  There is people working


            2              two or three jobs, so I think if you


            3              contemplate whether or not you are going to


            4              allocate the $90,000 in funding for ECTV,


            5              and I want to preface this by saying I think


            6              Scranton Today did a fantastic job, ECTV,


            7              I'm not affiliated with them either, so I'm


            8              bipartisan in that regard, but what I want


            9              you to consider is you have the same


           10              accessibility of these meetings, to planning


           11              commission meetings, to the zoning board


           12              meetings, to the Sewer Authority meetings


           13              that you had under Scranton Today because I


           14              think they did an excellent job of getting


           15              the message out there.  I think the


           16              taxpayers and the people that are sitting


           17              and watching in their homes that can't


           18              attend a meeting down here at city hall or


           19              go to these other meetings can watch it and


           20              follow their money because right now more


           21              than ever with the gas prices over $4.00 a


           22              gallon, property taxes going up, the


           23              reassessment there is a lot of critical


           24              financial issues that people are facing in


           25              their homes and different times, they are






            1              here right now.  So now it's mo9re important


            2              than ever for them to follow their tax


            3              dollars to make sure they are getting the


            4              most for their money, so I think that's the


            5              critical issue.


            6                      So I think before you contemplate or


            7              as you are contemplating about allocating


            8              that money to ECTV I think you should talk


            9              to them first and make sure that the


           10              accessibility to these meetings and other


           11              governmental body meetings meets the same


           12              standard as Scranton Today met, and I think


           13              they did an excellent job and I think that's


           14              something that you really have to consider


           15              because the discourse back and forth and the


           16              public exchange between an elected official


           17              and regular citizen I think it goes a long


           18              way.  It goes a long way in making sure that


           19              the integrity of what public access is all


           20              about is maintained, and that's letting


           21              somebody sit in the comfort of their own


           22              home, watching what's going on with their


           23              taxpayer dollars and deciding for themselves


           24              who is full of hot air, who is not, who has


           25              their own agenda, who doesn't, and I think






            1              if you trust the people to make their own


            2              determinations based on what they see on


            3              their own TV I think they are more than


            4              fair, but if I could be of any assistance to


            5              you and answer any questions I would be more


            6              than happy to do so, but I think that's the


            7              critical issue here right now is


            8              accessibility.


            9                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you very much,


           10              Mr. Murphy.


           11                      MR. MURPHY: Thank you.  Thank you


           12              very much.


           13                      MS. EVANS: I'm sorry, I do agree


           14              with your presentation today and I feel


           15              strongly about the importance of government


           16              meetings being viewed by city taxpayers,


           17              however, I believe that perhaps one of the


           18              stipulations for the change from one


           19              manager/operator to another was that the


           20              rebroadcasting of government meetings would


           21              cease.  In other words, a live broadcast and


           22              perhaps one rebroadcast because apparently


           23              that seemed to be one of the issues that the


           24              mayor had with Channel 61 under the


           25              management of Scranton Today, so though I do






            1              agree with you, I think it may be a


            2              difficult task to accomplish in order to be


            3              able to provide the same number of


            4              rebroadcasts that had previously been


            5              presented.


            6                      But while I have you, I just wanted


            7              to ask you one question, if I might.  I


            8              noticed in today's paper some movement,


            9              shall we say, on the Recovery Plan and as a


           10              councilman who voted for the implementation


           11              of the Recovery Plan I know you advocated


           12              strongly for the Recovery Plan during your


           13              tenure on council, what quickly is your


           14              perspective on these proposed staffing cuts


           15              in the city?


           16                      MR. MURPHY:  Well, I didn't come


           17              here to prepared to speak about this, but


           18              since you asked the question I will be happy


           19              to address it.  I think as you sit there and


           20              you gather information to make decisions


           21              that are in the best interest of the


           22              taxpayers of the city as I did when I sat


           23              there, you make your best decision based on


           24              the information that you are given at that


           25              time.






            1                      Now we are six years down the line


            2              from 2002 when the Recovery Plan was


            3              initially adopted and the Recovery Plan was


            4              adopted for several different reasons:  One


            5              very important reason was we were under


            6              state sanction at the time because we didn't


            7              have -- we hadn't adopted a Recovery Plan,


            8              but we had money, liquid fuels money from


            9              the government and the state that was being


           10              withheld for roads and bridges and repairs,


           11              so we had to make sure that we were going to


           12              do the responsible things for the taxpayers


           13              because we didn't want any rate increases,


           14              we didn't want any tax increases and that


           15              was another thing that was thrown out there


           16              at the time when the Recovery Plan was


           17              adopted, there was going to be a looming 8


           18              percent tax increase at that time and with


           19              the distressed city status and with the


           20              sanctions, the PEL who was involved in the


           21              this entire process along with the


           22              administration and with council, everyone


           23              understood that the Recovery Plan was not


           24              something that was written in stone.  As


           25              long as you worked within the financial






            1              parameters of that Recovery Plan you could


            2              do many different things.


            3                      I think one critical thing that has


            4              happened that I was very unhappy with over


            5              these subsequent years is that there has


            6              been some hypocritical decisions that seemed


            7              to be unfair and don't seem, but are, in


            8              fact, unfair because when you are trying to


            9              implement a financial recovery plan and at


           10              the same time you are creating new jobs and


           11              when you are giving huge pay increases to


           12              administrative officials and there is only


           13              one group sharing the burden I don't think


           14              that's right, so in retrospect I believe the


           15              decision at that time was the right


           16              decision.


           17                      I don't believe the stewardship of


           18              the plan has been properly carried out.  I


           19              think you have to make sure that if you are


           20              going to implement a Recovery Plan and


           21              especially if you are going to implement the


           22              Recovery Plan in a manner in which public


           23              safety maybe jeopardized, I don't want to


           24              see layoffs for firemen, I don't want to see


           25              layoffs for police officers, this is a






            1              critical time, our community is changing


            2              rapidly and we have gone a long way from


            3              2002 to 2006, so some of these decisions


            4              that have to be made they have to be made


            5              with public safety in mind and I think you


            6              always have to be willing to revisit


            7              something, look at it and make sure that in


            8              the end you are doing the right thing and I


            9              think there is some different ways that we


           10              could do that, too, and I think Act 47, you


           11              know, if amended would help ensure that


           12              there is a specific time frame in which to


           13              implement the Recovery Plan in a matter


           14              which is fair to not only the administration


           15              and management, it's also fair to labor,


           16              union and the taxpayers because subsequent


           17              to 2002 you had a 24 percent tax increase as


           18              you are all aware, so was it hypocritical, I


           19              believe it was.


           20                      MS. EVANS: Thank you.


           21                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Mr. McGoff, can you


           22              just give me a little bit of latitude, I


           23              want to ask you a question, Mr. Murphy, and


           24              if you don't want to answer it and I can


           25              understand, you can just walk away because






            1              it's kind of a tough question, all right,


            2              and I don't want to put you on the spot?


            3                      MR. MURPHY: Well, that wasn't an


            4              easy one right there.


            5                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  This is probably


            6              tougher.  If you were voting right now right


            7              today at this minute for the Recovery Plan


            8              that you voted for several years ago would


            9              you vote yes or no, and all I ask is a yes


           10              or no answer.


           11                      MR. MURPHY:  Yes, I do respect your


           12              question and I do have the advantage of


           13              hindsight, but I would say, no.  No.  I


           14              wouldn't favor the plan as it stands.


           15                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Thank you for


           16              answering.  I know that's a tough question.


           17                      MR. MURPHY: But initially, as I said


           18              when I came up here to speak about ECTV, I


           19              think the primary thing that we want to make


           20              sure is we don't have restrictive coverage


           21              and restrictive coverage is a form of


           22              censorship so I think you have to be careful


           23              with that, so revisit that and hopefully


           24              they can make those accommodations to have


           25              these meetings retelevised then I think the






            1              taxpayers will benefit from that and I think


            2              we will all be in a better place.  Thank you


            3              very much.


            4                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr. Murphy.


            5              Any other speakers?


            6                      MR. LYMAN: Raymond Lyman.  Mrs.


            7              Evans, can I ask you a question?  Would you


            8              do me a favor?


            9                      MS. EVANS: I could try.


           10                      MR. LYMAN:  Would you write a letter


           11              to the Supreme Court for a question?  How


           12              could Mayor Doherty circumvent the


           13              constitution to allow ECTV to be put on the


           14              air violating the law because Scranton


           15              Today's rights were violated because, number


           16              one, how could he do that for the people of


           17              Scranton, they should have been voted on to


           18              do that because ECTV they don't run city


           19              council meetings, they only ran it once at


           20              2:30 and they didn't run it after that


           21              because when I was watching it they cut it


           22              off three times when I was watching it at


           23              2:30, they ran it when Sam Patilla and then


           24              it went off, and then it came back on the


           25              air and then after Bill Courtright was






            1              speaking then it went off again and then


            2              when McGoff was threatened about a lawsuit


            3              against me then it went off again and the


            4              voice was so low I couldn't even hear it.


            5                   And, Mr. McGoff, my friend told me if


            6              you threatened me with a lawsuit I will sue


            7              your pants off, violation of my civil rights


            8              because every time I come to these meetings


            9              my lawyer told me violation of my civil


           10              rights were violated because you never


           11              threatened these people here.  Every time I


           12              come up here my five minutes was never up


           13              because I tape these meetings because it's


           14              never five minutes, so shut your mouth.


           15                      MR. MCGOFF: Excuse me.


           16                      MR. LYMAN:  I got an envelope here.


           17              Remember last week you said I had to give


           18              you --


           19                      MR. MCGOFF: Mr. Lyman.


           20                      MR. LYMAN: -- an envelope --


           21                      MR. MCGOFF: Mr. Lyman.


           22                      MR. LYMAN: This is my five minutes.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF: Well, it's going to be


           24              cut short if you continue.


           25                      MR. LYMAN: Point of order.






            1                      MR. MCGOFF: Exactly.


            2                      MR. LYMAN: Just like Fay Franus says


            3              every time.  Shut your mouth.


            4                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Oh, Ray.


            5                      MS. FANUCCI: Ray.


            6                      MR. MCGOFF: Please leave the podium.


            7                      MS. FANUCCI: You are going to have


            8              to leave.


            9                      MR. LYMAN: Let me speak.


           10                      MR. MCGOFF: Please leave the podium.


           11                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Ray.


           12                      MR. LYMAN: No, let me speak.  Just


           13              like when Fay Franus --


           14                      MR. MCGOFF: Ray, you are not doing


           15              yourself any favors here.  Please leave the


           16              podium.


           17                      MR. LYMAN: No, I want to speak.


           18                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Raymond, can I just


           19              say something to you?


           20                      MR. LYMAN: I want to speak.


           21                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Okay, I'LL hold


           22              your time for a minute, don't tell him to


           23              shut up or anything like that.


           24                      MR. LYMAN: No, I'm not --


           25                      MR. COURTRIGHT: You can't do that






            1              and they are going to have to remove you and


            2              everyone is going to be all upset.  Nobody


            3              wants the officer to remove you, try to


            4              remain calm, you can't tell him to shut up,


            5              you can't do that, all right?  Please.  Try


            6              to be decent and everybody will allow you to


            7              speak, but you can't -- whether you like it


            8              or not he is a council person and you can't


            9              tell him to shut up.


           10                      MR. LYMAN: When I became mayor.


           11                      MR. COURTRIGHT: When you become


           12              mayor that will be wonderful, but, please.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF: Please leave the podium.


           14              When you can speak more responsibly then you


           15              can return.


           16                      MR. LYMAN: I'm not fighting with


           17              you, I'm sorry.


           18                      MR. MCGOFF: Your time is up.  Thank


           19              you.


           20                      MR. LYMAN: I have a couple of


           21              questions I just want to ask.


           22                      MR. MCGOFF: Your time is up.  Thank


           23              you.


           24                      MR. LYMAN: Well, my five minutes


           25              ain't up.






            1                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes, it is.


            2                      MR. LYMAN: I didn't hear the bell.


            3                      MR. MCGOFF: Your time is up.


            4                      MR. LYMAN: Okay, I'll just sue your


            5              pants off, violation of my civil rights.


            6                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.


            7                      MR. LYMAN: We'll see you in Court,


            8              Mr. McGoff.  I'll see you in Court.


            9                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.  My apologies


           10              for the comments.  Mr. Ungvarsky.


           11                      MR. UNGVARSKY:  Good morning, city


           12              council, I'm Tom Ungvarsky and I'm a member


           13              of the Scranton Lackawanna County Taxpayers


           14              Association.  It's still unclear to me how


           15              this process of evolved that we selected


           16              ECTV and perhaps you can answer a few more


           17              questions for me.  Do we know how many


           18              meetings the three-member panel had and how


           19              much time they devoted to selecting ECTV?


           20                      MS. EVANS: No.


           21                      MR. UNGVARSKY: Now, are there any


           22              follow-up questions -- yes, ma'am.


           23                      MS. EVANS: No.


           24                      MR. UNGVARSKY: No, were there any


           25              follow-ups to any of the other bidders for






            1              this Channel 61?  Were the proposals


            2              submitted by the others?


            3                      MS. FANUCCI: You mean, Mr. Ozzie


            4              Quinn and that proposal, the one that Ozzie


            5              Quinn put in?  There was follow-up and I


            6              believe that that was basically funding by


            7              -- they were looking for funding also by


            8              government and also private entities.


            9                      MR. UNGVARSKY: Were there any


           10              face-to-face meetings with them?


           11                      MS. FANUCCI:  With them?


           12                      MR. UNGVARSKY: With anyone.


           13                      MS. FANUCCI: I'm not sure.  That


           14              would be the committee's process.


           15                      MR. UNGVARSKY: Wan anyone proposed


           16              to take over the channel, were there any


           17              face-to-face meetings with them?


           18                      MS. EVANS: I don't know.


           19                      MR. UNGVARSKY: Were there any


           20              follow-up questions, I mean, when somebody


           21              puts a proposal on the desk I'm sure there


           22              is questions that someone would have, did


           23              they ask, did this three-member panel ask


           24              anyone, any other follow-up questions?


           25                      MS. EVANS: I don't know.






            1                      MR. UNGVARSKY:  It seems to me as


            2              though everything here was done in a vacuum


            3              and was there own one meeting and was that


            4              in the mayor's office?


            5                      MS. EVANS: I don't know.


            6                      MR. UNGVARSKY:  Well, maybe before


            7              you even vote on this you could find out


            8              those answers, also.  Mrs. Fanucci, ten


            9              weeks ago I asked you a question about a


           10              SECCAS, LLC if they were going to be coming


           11              to town or if they were just looking for the


           12              best offer from someone.  I understand that


           13              they got $2 million from the State of


           14              Pennsylvania or it was proposed that they


           15              get $2 million.  Have we heard anything more


           16              about that, you were supposed to find an


           17              answer out for me.


           18                      MS. FANUCCI: I was supposed to find


           19              an answer on it, and I did not find out


           20              anything more on that, but I will still look


           21              into that for you.  Yeah, I did not find


           22              anything more on that.


           23                      MR. UNGVARSKY:  So perhaps they are


           24              just looking for the best bid then I guess.


           25                      MS. FANUCCI: I'm not sure, but






            1              nobody is coming out and giving me that as a


            2              final answer either, but I will continue on


            3              that for your.


            4                      MR. UNGVARSKY:  Okay, maybe you can


            5              ask some of those questions in your motions.


            6              Thank you.


            7                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you,


            8              Mr. Ungvarsky.  Anyone else?


            9                      MS. KRAKE: Good morning, council.


           10              The mayor and his administration are now


           11              playing a very dangerous game shooting from


           12              the hip and with no plan in place the mayor


           13              will be deciding who gets police and fire


           14              coverage and who doesn't.  Will the mayor


           15              close fire stations in rich neighborhoods or


           16              poor?  Take a look at his record for the


           17              past seven years and it's obvious some


           18              people count in this city and some people do


           19              not.  We all note there is no economic


           20              savings when this administration cuts jobs.


           21              I think the past councilman that just stood


           22              at this podium is well aware of that.  The


           23              clerical union lost 30 plus jobs and the


           24              mayor gobbled up that money and more for his


           25              patronage middle management jobs.  This is






            1              about control and ultimately the abuse of


            2              taxpayers' moneys.


            3                      Our city budget has grown nearly


            4              $30 million since Doherty has been in


            5              office.  None of that excessive bloat went


            6              to raises for clerical, police and fire.


            7              Now, to be honest, the clerks did get a


            8              small raise in this year's budget.  Five


            9              million of it and more went to raises for


           10              the administration.  You can't forget the


           11              27 percent tax increase or the over 220


           12              million in long-term debt.  Any further


           13              reduction in workers would only impact the


           14              safety of the citizens in Scranton.


           15                      The unions have already given and


           16              given and given.  Fire lost 50 jobs in '93


           17              and police have lost at least that many


           18              since we have been distressed.  If the


           19              Recovery Plan were to being enacted a


           20              handful of consultants and lobbyists


           21              basically bureaucrats in Harrisburg will


           22              decide the distribution of our city's


           23              resources just like Chris Doherty when he


           24              was councilman went to DCED and demanded we


           25              be distressed, I would like to invite






            1              council people to come with us and address


            2              DCED and demand we are taken out from under


            3              the distressed status and out from the


            4              Pennsylvania Economy League and their


            5              oppressive control as they run and ruin our


            6              lives and our city.  It's time.  It's time


            7              now before this goes any further to give the


            8              city, it's resources and our lives back to


            9              everyone, all of the citizens.  Thank you.


           10                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mrs. Krake.


           11                      MR. GERVASI:  Good morning, City


           12              Council, my name is Dave Gervasi and I'm the


           13              vice president of the firefighter's union


           14              and a resident of the City of Scranton.  I


           15              guess you probably know why I'm here today.


           16              There was some more inaccurate information


           17              put out by the Scranton Times in this


           18              administration this morning and it said that


           19              the mayor just got the right to cut 38


           20              firefighters.  That is completely and


           21              unequivocally not true.  That hearing that


           22              happened yesterday was on the police


           23              department, unfortunately, on the police


           24              department.  The only thing that was brought


           25              up at this hearing about the fire department






            1              was the city's legal representation, this is


            2              according to my attorney, the city's legal


            3              representation, mentioned the fire


            4              department and said that we have no plans


            5              for the fire department at this time.  That


            6              decision came down yesterday exclusively on


            7              the police officers, not the fire


            8              department, so what you read in the paper


            9              today is once again false.


           10                      Now, we did file for a stay when the


           11              city was talking about implementing the


           12              Recovery Plan before the cases settled.  The


           13              fire department and the police in concert


           14              filed for a stay.  We lost that part of it,


           15              but nothing was discussed about the fire


           16              department, so don't believe what you read


           17              in the paper again.


           18                      Unfortunately, for the police


           19              officers they want to cut the longevity pay


           20              of those officers which for any officer that


           21              was hired after January 16, 2003, very


           22              unfortunately, one-third of the police


           23              officers that are working at this time were


           24              hired after the January 1st of 2003 since


           25              the mayor chased all of our experienced






            1              officers out the door back in 2002.  To make


            2              matters worse, these same police officers


            3              have been living without any cost of living


            4              adjustments in the last seven years and that


            5              third is going to lose a few percentage


            6              points in their salaries.  They are going to


            7              take a cut in pay.  I don't know if you are


            8              real concerned about this, but I believe, if


            9              I'm correct, I believe 12 officers have


           10              already left the police department for


           11              greener pastures because when you have wage


           12              freezes and less than cost of living raises


           13              over and over and over again since 1992


           14              right now just in the fire department we are


           15              $15,000, our salaries, $15,000 under the


           16              median salary of a comparable city in the


           17              City of Pennsylvania and cities within our


           18              own region in the northeast, $15,000 and the


           19              police are in about the same boat we are.


           20                   So, I don't know if you people really


           21              care, I know some of you do, but do you


           22              really care that we are going to lose our


           23              finest police officers?  There are some


           24              great officers.  Sergeant Paul Duffy who I


           25              personally know very, very well, he is






            1              actually married to one of my relatives, one


            2              of the finest officers to ever walk this


            3              beat in the City of Scranton, he is gone.


            4              He can't take it anymore.  It's unfair.


            5              It's disgusting and this Recovery Plan is


            6              Draconian and it was nice to see Councilman


            7              Murphy here today tell the truth about if he


            8              had to vote on it today would he vote on the


            9              Recovery Plan.  The people were misinformed


           10              about the Recovery Plan and the word


           11              couldn't get out because the newspaper kept


           12              it out and kept protecting this


           13              administration from day one.  The plan is


           14              Draconian, it's disgusting, it's unworkable,


           15              parts of it our illegal and it never should


           16              have been voted on, but I can understand the


           17              residents when you are threatened with a tax


           18              increase.


           19                      One other thing I would like to


           20              bring up about why we are going to make


           21              these police officers suffer and maybe in


           22              two months make the fire department suffer


           23              when we hit that stage of this Court case,


           24              we had a woman with a PhD in economy do a


           25              financial analysis of our city's finances






            1              based on the true numbers, not what you read


            2              in the paper about their deficits, the true


            3              numbers within our end of the year audits,


            4              our financial audits, independent audits.


            5              The city right now according to this PhD in


            6              economy who I think is much more qualified


            7              than anyone that works for the city,


            8              especially in this administration, we are


            9              sitting on a $11.7 million surplus for the


           10              end of 2006 and the mayor should know that,


           11              raised your taxes, our taxes, 25 percent


           12              when it wasn't necessary and now he wants to


           13              knock off 37 firefighters if happens in


           14              Court.


           15                      Well, just so everyone knows that 38


           16              firefighters is going to add up to


           17              approximately $2.4 million in savings if it


           18              happens, you are probably going to have


           19              engine company closures, I don't know which


           20              neighborhood is going to suffer over that


           21              and increase response times, but they never


           22              had to raise your taxes, we know this as a


           23              fact, never had to your raise your taxes and


           24              they don't have to cut the police department


           25              or the fire department, they don't have to






            1              make these police officers suffer now, which


            2              we heard they are going to try to do to


            3              them, it's all been a lie and it's all been


            4              a lie that's been repeated in the paper


            5              every single day and I'll give you any


            6              documentation you want to see to back up


            7              what I just said today.  Thank you for your


            8              time.


            9                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr. Gervasi.


           10                      MR.:  Hello, Bill.


           11                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Hi, Chris.


           12                      MR.: Billy, one thing, there is


           13              crime in the city, we need the police to


           14              provide the protection in the city, we just


           15              can't allow to let anymore go.  Thank you.


           16                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Okay, Chris.


           17                      MR. MCGOFF: Anyone else?  Mrs.


           18              Evans?


           19                      MS. EVANS: Thank you.  Good morning.


           20              Since our last council meeting several


           21              beneficial announcements have occurred.  The


           22              long vacant Sunoco station on Mulberry


           23              Street will be transformed into a Dunkin


           24              Donuts Shop.  Also, Mr. Oleski, deputy


           25              director of public safety is embarking on a






            1              cleanup of 70 abandoned lots throughout the


            2              city with the help of the DPW employees, of


            3              course.  City residents have complained of


            4              these eyesores in their neighborhoods


            5              throughout my five years as a councilwoman,


            6              so I am pleased that many blighted


            7              properties finally will be addressed.


            8                      Last Friday, July 4, I attended the


            9              annual Independence Day celebration at the


           10              Nay Aug Park Swim Complex.  This beautiful


           11              event sponsored by the American Flag


           12              Committee included representation by


           13              military veterans of all wars and conflicts.


           14              I'd like to particularly recognize Mr. Frank


           15              Tyron, event organizer, the Ringhold band


           16              under the direction of Ted Riggy, and the


           17              outstanding soloist, Mary Rita Stuckard, for


           18              their roles in making these celebrations so


           19              successful.


           20                      I'm also pleased that the Southern


           21              Union building will be occupied in the near


           22              future.  I'll be own more pleased when it


           23              goes back on the tax rolls.


           24                      Yet another beneficial announcements


           25              for this area is the $4 million allocation






            1              and approval for the Commonwealth Medical


            2              College.  The location of this institution


            3              in our city will address local health


            4              concerns by hopefully replenishing the


            5              dwindling number of physicians and


            6              specialists and by offering a level of


            7              health care that will make us competitive


            8              with institutions outside of our area,


            9              thereby, decreasing the need of our citizens


           10              to seek medical treatment in New York or


           11              Philadelphia, etcetera.


           12                      Next, let's turn out our attention


           13              to questionable issues of crucial concern to


           14              the taxpayers.  Last week the mayor


           15              announced that he had given $10,000 in UDAG


           16              funds to the East Scranton Business


           17              Association in order that this association


           18              could then give that same $10,000 to ECTV.


           19              He further elaborated that on March 9, 2006,


           20              $577,000 in UDAG funds was approved for


           21              various city projects by three members of


           22              council, thereby, giving him the right to


           23              spend these federal funds in any way he


           24              decides.  According to the minutes of the


           25              March 9, 2006, council meeting, however, any






            1              project funded by the $577,000 UDAG monies


            2              must receive council approval.


            3                      Now, I had planned on asking


            4              Attorney Minora these questions, Attorney


            5              Williams are you employed in his law firm?


            6                      MR. WILLIAMS: I am.


            7                      MS. EVANS: Then, perhaps you could


            8              pass these questions onto him.


            9                      MR. WILLIAMS:  I would be happy to


           10              do that.


           11                      MS. EVANS: Do these UDAG funds


           12              require the knowledge and consent of city


           13              council before they can be given out by the


           14              mayor and if Mr. Minora determines that,


           15              indeed, this is appropriate and legal


           16              process I ask that he put his opinion in


           17              writing and I also ask for a copy of any


           18              source to document his opinion.  Thank you.


           19                   Since these funds are taxpayers' money


           20              they should decide if this $10,000 grant


           21              passes the smell test.  Some have stated


           22              that I am anti-ECTV and this is not true.  I


           23              attended the ECTV open house because I


           24              wanted to be open minded and learn about


           25              ECTV firsthand.  As I toured the basement of






            1              933 Prescott Avenue with Mr. Balton, the


            2              area was in such good condition that I


            3              thought perhaps the renovations had already


            4              begun.  When I asked Mr. Balton if the work


            5              was already underway, he answered that, no,


            6              no renovations had yet begun, ECTV was


            7              waiting for it's appearance the following


            8              week before the city's zoning board for a


            9              variance before it would begin any


           10              renovations.


           11                      Mayor Doherty also stated last week


           12              that he gave the UDAG funds to the East


           13              Scranton Business Association to give to


           14              ECTV to he eliminate blight in the basement


           15              of 933 Prescott Avenue, the location of


           16              ECTV's studio and offices.


           17                      Consequently, I ask when the


           18              basement of this church at 933 Prescott


           19              Avenue or the property itself was declared


           20              blighted.  I would also like an explanation


           21              of how it was blighted.  Therefore, with


           22              council's approval I would like to send a


           23              letter to OECD requesting written responses


           24              to these questions on or before July 21,


           25              2008?  Is that agreeable?  Thank you.






            1                      On another topic, Council received a


            2              letter from Attorney David Solfanelli


            3              yesterday stating that council's request for


            4              Mr. McDowell to appear and public comments


            5              relating to his tenure as tax collector are


            6              purely for political purposes rather than


            7              the pursuit of any legitimate inquiry.  He


            8              goes on further to say that these actions


            9              make it apparent that council does not


           10              desire an informative meeting with McDowell.


           11                   In order to put such accusations to


           12              rest, I move to begin an investigation into


           13              the 12.2 million dollars that was discovered


           14              in an account of the Single Tax Office and


           15              the performance of the duties and


           16              responsibilities as prescribed by law of the


           17              former tax collector, Kenneth McDowell, as


           18              they relate to the City of Scranton.


           19                      MS. FANUCCI: I just have a question,


           20              how are we -- what are we going to do to do


           21              that?  What's the process that you are


           22              looking for, that's what I think should be


           23              involved in the motion.  You know,


           24              investigate, who is investigating, how is to


           25              be investigating and what are we actually






            1              saying, so I think if you include that it


            2              might be helpful.


            3                      MS. EVANS: Well, I can tell you that


            4              I'm making the motion to begin the


            5              investigation in order that Mrs. Gatelli,


            6              our finance chair, is able to make her


            7              motion for subpoenas today.


            8                      MS. FANUCCI: So, we are all -- okay.


            9              All right.  Then, yes, I will second that.


           10                      MS. EVANS: Yes, because we according


           11              to Pennsylvania Code, and I believe --


           12                      MS. FANUCCI:  We are allowed to


           13              investigate, but I wasn't sure that she was


           14              going to -- maybe we should do it all in


           15              one.


           16                      MS. GATELLI: I was going to make


           17              both of them, I think that's why she --


           18                      MS. FANUCCI: Why don't we do it at


           19              all once?  Can we pull it all at once and


           20              we'll make it and send it right --


           21                      MS. EVANS: Well, actually, I think


           22              you need the motion for the investigation


           23              first so that you are on the record


           24              documenting that --


           25                      MS. FANUCCI: Okay.






            1                      MS. EVANS: -- an investigation has


            2              been initiated.


            3                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?


            4                      MR. COURTRIGHT: On the question, I


            5              would just like to say this, I believe that


            6              Mr. Minora had stated to us in the past in


            7              order for us to subpoena that we did have to


            8              have an investigation, so this motion would


            9              enable Mrs. Gatelli to make her subpoena --


           10              or the investigation will enable


           11              Mrs. Gatelli to make her subpoenas.


           12                      MS. EVANS: And, again, these rights


           13              and authorities are granted by not only


           14              Scranton's Home Rule Charter, but by the


           15              Pennsylvania Code as well and I believe the


           16              Pennsylvania Code provides that city council


           17              may issue subpoenas for testimony and books,


           18              records, etcetera, in any pending


           19              investigation, inquiry or impeachment case.


           20                      MS. FANUCCI: Right.


           21                      MR. MCGOFF: I would just like to


           22              ask, what do you feel we can accomplish by


           23              this investigation?  The tax office and the


           24              Mr. McDowell had been investigated, I


           25              believe there have been three






            1              investigations, and while I do believe that


            2              Mr. McDowell does, you know, perhaps should


            3              answer some questions, I just don't know


            4              what the intent of an investigation would be


            5              and what purpose it would serve.


            6                      MS. FANUCCI: Well, I'm going to say


            7              you, I seconded it, and my problem is not


            8              exactly the investigation that's ongoing


            9              with just him, but we have not been able to


           10              get any answers within the current office.


           11              They have not been forthright and


           12              forthcoming with what we need and for some


           13              reason there has been lot of very bad


           14              attitude and very negligent answers.  They


           15              are not even responding to us asking them to


           16              respond.  So, to me obviously there is some


           17              reason and if it takes this to get whatever


           18              answers we need then that's how it's going


           19              be.


           20                      We did give many opportunities for


           21              them to come here and speak to us and try to


           22              find out exactly what we needed during that


           23              time and the first appearance was wonderful,


           24              obviously, we had tons more questions that


           25              were still not addressed.  And, you know, I






            1              understand the investigation with the FBI


            2              and that is a separate issue as far as I'm


            3              concerned, a very separate issue.


            4                      MS. GATELLI: It is separate from the


            5              12 million and I, too, feel that they are


            6              not being forthright.  A large amount of


            7              that I believe is part of the City of


            8              Scranton's money and I am counting on that


            9              money for next year's budget.  The forensic


           10              audit hasn't been started yet, that's been


           11              waylaid for whatever reason and from my


           12              conversations with Attorney Minora


           13              concerning Mr. McDowell for some reason they


           14              had to get permission from the current tax


           15              collector for him to come here.


           16                      The 12 million is not part of the


           17              FBI investigation, it is separate, and


           18              without the forensic audit and a subpoena


           19              from us to answer some questions that we


           20              would see relevant I think it's absolutely


           21              necessary.


           22                      MS. FANUCCI: And I'm going to


           23              comment, they are dragging their feet.


           24              There is no reason that that audit should be


           25              taking this long to even get started, let






            1              alone to be, I mean, it would be one thing


            2              to, okay, give the person the time to do the


            3              audit, but to be able to go out and make the


            4              audit happen is taking entirely too much


            5              time.  And I have to make decisions based on


            6              voting for the people in the city and taxes


            7              and money and I can't do that unless I know


            8              exactly what we are entitled to out of that


            9              money, if any, so, to me, yeah, it is very


           10              important from where I sit to be able to


           11              make these decisions.


           12                      MS. GATELLI: Also, I received a


           13              response from Stu Renda concerning the


           14              independent audit and many of the questions


           15              are for the Single Tax Office, so they are


           16              even as we speak not answering the audit and


           17              questions.


           18                      MS. FANUCCI: Questions, yeah.


           19                      MS. GATELLI: So, that also has been


           20              the problem with our independent audit.


           21                      MS. EVANS: But, again, that was the


           22              case for each of the past years under the


           23              prior tax collector.  The office was not


           24              rapidly forthcoming in providing information


           25              to Rossi and Sons in any of the last three






            1              years at least, but I believe Mr. McDowell


            2              holds the key to the situation.  This was


            3              his elected office.  He oversaw the account


            4              into which 12.2 million dollars was


            5              deposited.  He holds the answer as to why he


            6              would comingle funds rather than keep them


            7              separate according to state tax laws.  There


            8              are many laws that were not followed under


            9              his tenure and --


           10                      MS. FANUCCI: Those deposits were


           11              made even prior to him, so what does that


           12              mean?  How come we can't get these answers?


           13              It seems almost absurd that we can't find


           14              out with today's technology exactly what we


           15              need to know.  We are not asking for the


           16              FBI's information because this is a totally


           17              separate issue.  So, to hide behind that


           18              seems almost irrelevant at this time.  We


           19              are at the stage now --


           20                      MS. EVANS: I think it's important


           21              though, I'm sorry.


           22                      MS. FANUCCI: Go ahead, it's your


           23              time.


           24                      MS. EVANS: I think it's important to


           25              note that Mr. McDowell's attorney seems to






            1              feel that the current tax collector and her


            2              solicitor have created this problem.


            3                      MS. FANUCCI: Right.  Right.


            4                      MR. EVANS: Not Mr. McDowell.


            5                      MS. FANUCCI: Which is amazing, so


            6              who is right and who is wrong?  And this is


            7              what we need to know and I don't think any


            8              of us don't agree, I mean, I'm not speaking


            9              for everyone, but I certainly think that is


           10              something that is extremely major as far as


           11              the taxpayers are concerned.


           12                      MR. MCGOFF: Could you just repeat


           13              the motion so that we are sure again?


           14                      MS. EVANS: Certainly.  I move to


           15              begin an investigation into the 12.2 million


           16              dollars that was discovered in an account of


           17              the Single Tax Office and the performance of


           18              the duties and responsibilities as


           19              prescribed by law of the former tax


           20              collector for Kenneth McDowell as they


           21              relate to the City of Scranton.


           22                      MS. FANUCCI: And I seconded it.


           23                      MS. GATELLI: She seconded.


           24                      MR. MCGOFF: It was seconded.  All


           25              those in favor signify by saying aye.






            1                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


            2                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


            3                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


            4                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


            5                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


            6              ayes have it and so moved.


            7                      MS. EVANS: Thank you.  I also have


            8              citizens' request for the last week.  112


            9              Ridgeview Drive, just above this property


           10              there is a road problem that causes storm


           11              water to fail to travel to the gully and the


           12              pipes on this street.  As a result, the road


           13              is beginning to deteriorate and the water


           14              and debris collected in front of 114


           15              RidgeView Drive.  I ask that Mr. Brazil and


           16              the city engineer examine this location to


           17              determine a possible solution as soon as


           18              possible. Amd pave Cooper Avenue on to


           19              Gordan Place.


           20                      And, finally, vehicles have resumed


           21              parking on the sidewalk at 916, 918, 820 and


           22              932 1/2 Greenridge Street.  According to


           23              residents of Greenridge Street violators


           24              were previously warned, I know that to be


           25              the case because I have been keeping an eye






            1              on that area and I did see the problem clear


            2              for two or three weeks, but it has returned,


            3              so please address this safety hazard


            4              appropriately, and that's it.


            5                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mrs. Evans.


            6              Mrs. Gatelli.


            7                      MS. GATELLI: Yes.  To answer


            8              Mrs. Schumacher I did receive a response


            9              from my request last week to Mr. Renda and


           10              he said that the office maintains their


           11              focus to complete the audit, however,


           12              noticed that four items listed on the recent


           13              report are dependent on related parties,


           14              authorities and the Single Tax Office, so I


           15              would ask, Kay is not here, Neil, are you


           16              taking the requests?  Ask her to please


           17              contact Mr. Renda and find out which


           18              authorities need to answer and the Single


           19              Tax Office and send them a letter to give


           20              their information to Mr. Rossi as


           21              expediently as possible as council is


           22              becoming anxious to receive our audit.


           23                      We had another complaint, I think it


           24              was Mr. Spindler, I don't see him here now


           25              about the University of Scranton.  We did






            1              actually receive correspondence from the


            2              University of Scranton.  The University of


            3              Scranton allowed the International


            4              Spanish Soccer League to play at the complex


            5              on Sundays in 2007 and again in 2008 free of


            6              charge.  The University has not charged the


            7              soccer league to play there.  The University


            8              continues to make the facility available for


            9              public use.  The fall softball league was


           10              offered the fields free of charge in 2007,


           11              it opted not to use them.


           12                      And anybody is welcome to see this


           13              correspondence from the University of


           14              Scranton.  I'm not saying that I don't


           15              believe you, but I don't know if they would


           16              be putting it in this writing that they are


           17              not charging anybody.  If someone is being


           18              charged maybe they can contact us and tell


           19              us who they are paying and we can


           20              investigate further, but we can only go by


           21              documents that we receive, you know,


           22              official documents from the University.


           23                      MS. EVANS: Mrs. Gatelli, while you


           24              are on that, I think somewhere in that


           25              letter it is stated that the field is open






            1              to the public or can be available for public


            2              use, I'd like to ask the University of


            3              Scranton then why they refused the softball


            4              leagues.


            5                      MS. GATELLI:  Okay.


            6                      MS. EVANS: That I do know for a fact


            7              as well, not just in summer but last summer


            8              as well.


            9                      MS. GATELLI: Just the summer leagues


           10              because it says they offered them to the


           11              fall, the fall leagues were offered.  You


           12              want to know about the summer leagues?  The


           13              next thing is the vacant lots that being


           14              cleaned up by Mr. Oleski, I have seen some


           15              of the workers out cleaning the lots, but I


           16              want to make people aware that Mr. Gerry


           17              Langan of the Goodwill Industries on the


           18              corner of Prospect Avenue and Maple Street


           19              has called and the community service they


           20              have offered to cut and clean some of the


           21              lots in the nearby vicinity of their


           22              facility over on Prospect Avenue, so I would


           23              like to publically thank him for his


           24              commitment and hopefully by hearing this


           25              announcement other businesses that have






            1              access to lawnmowers and weed whackers


            2              around their businesses maybe will offer to


            3              clean some of the city owned public lots


            4              that are overgrown and I certainly would


            5              encourage that as a community service.


            6                      The Friendship House, my friend, Ron


            7              Ellman, who hasn't picked me up on the


            8              motorcycle yet just so you know that, was


            9              talking about the Friendship House and I


           10              think that he misunderstood the money of the


           11              Friendship House.  He said that the


           12              Friendship House donated money to the city


           13              and was taking it back.  It is not money


           14              that was given by the Friendship House, it


           15              was OECD money of a project that we had


           16              approved.  The Friendship House will not be


           17              ready to do that project for several more


           18              years so they felt it unfair to tie up that


           19              money when they are, in fact, are not ready


           20              to use it, so I just wanted to clarify that


           21              Friendship House money.


           22                      As far as the $577,000 that was put


           23              into an account of UDAG to be used for


           24              various projects, yes, I was under the


           25              impression the projects would come to city






            1              council as I stated at that meeting, not all


            2              of them.  The dog park never came before us,


            3              although, we knew it was happening.  The


            4              tree house didn't come before us.  All of


            5              the properties that were demolished I don't


            6              believe came before us, and my only concern


            7              is, yes, I still believe they should come


            8              before us.  I would like to see the projects


            9              that are being approved even though it is


           10              UDAG money.  I can't remember when I was


           11              there if we did any without council's


           12              approval, I would have to go back along way.


           13              I hope that we did when we are there get


           14              approval from council, but, you know, maybe


           15              we didn't either, so I don't want to be too


           16              hard on them if it was done in the past.


           17                      My other concern about that is if it


           18              can't be done and it shouldn't be done why


           19              does Roseann Novembrino sign the vouchers


           20              for those projects to be done, so apparently


           21              the original legislation is enough for her


           22              to sign all of the vouchers because they


           23              have all been signed by her, and I know


           24              Roseann is very prudent in checking out the


           25              funds, so maybe we can also send a note to






            1              her, Neil, if she has done that in the past


            2              and have her solicitor also look at it and


            3              see what the deal is there.  Maybe when we


            4              get all of the information we can do some


            5              type of a motion that we do require it if it


            6              is not already required and just being


            7              circumvented because I, too, would like to


            8              have a say in the money that's gone through


            9              UDAG money.


           10                      The firemen.  I was not happy to


           11              read about the fire department in the paper


           12              today or the police department.  As you


           13              know, I've always been an advocate for the


           14              police department, as a neighborhood leader


           15              that's what you want in your neighborhood is


           16              more police always, you never have enough


           17              police officers and almost every call that I


           18              contact the mayor for is a police issue.  I


           19              just talked to him yesterday about a problem


           20              in an housing development near my house


           21              where neighbors were complaining about the


           22              fireworks until 3:30 in the morning and the


           23              boom boxes that rattle your windows which we


           24              have to deal with at 3:00 and 4:00 in the


           25              morning, so police issues are very much on






            1              the forefront.


            2                      And as far as the fire department,


            3              they tried to close my firehouse several


            4              times of which Mr. Gervasi knows I have it,


            5              I could bring it in, I have 10 or 12,000


            6              signatures that Mayor Connors and I went


            7              around South Side in Minooka and obtained,


            8              so I won't be happy if my firehouse is


            9              closed, I'll tell you the truth about that.


           10              I won't be a happy camper.


           11                      But, I'm going to say this, everyone


           12              needs to sit down.  It has come to this


           13              level because people are not sitting down


           14              together.  We have a contract in the school


           15              district coming up.  We know nothing about


           16              it as the workers.  Our leader is meeting


           17              with the school negotiators.  We don't know


           18              what they are negotiating about and we won't


           19              know that until it is brought before us, but


           20              they are sitting down and they are trying to


           21              cooperate and compromise and sometimes you


           22              win a little piece and sometimes you lose a


           23              little piece, but I think this is has gone


           24              on long enough.  Six years is a long time


           25              and I think that everybody needs to sit






            1              down.


            2                      Like Mr. Dobson said about Channel


            3              61, it's all about getting along and it's


            4              all about you give me a glass of water and


            5              I'll give you a half a glass and let's talk


            6              about it and let's try to settle it.


            7              Fighting about it is not getting anybody


            8              anywhere.  Everybody is hanging onto their


            9              own turf and rightfully so, I'd hang onto


           10              mine, too.  I'm a public employee.  I want


           11              to hang onto mine as much as you want to


           12              hang onto yours, but you got to sit down and


           13              you have to make an effort and I think that


           14              would go a long way.


           15                      I think a lot of this is, oh, I


           16              don't want to say scare tactics because I


           17              think that could really happen, anybody can


           18              win in Court.  The mayor could win and the


           19              firemen can win, but you are tossing that


           20              coin up to the air and you don't know if the


           21              head or the tail is going to come down when


           22              you go to Court.  I would much rather see


           23              people get together and you get a little


           24              piece and I get a little piece and everybody


           25              is happy.  So, I would encourage Mr. Gervasi






            1              and whoever to, you know, try to talk to


            2              somebody if you need any help anybody up


            3              here would be willing to support you, I'm


            4              sure, and the police officers.  The clerical


            5              already got their contract, but any one of


            6              us up here are supportive of the police and


            7              fire and we would be willing, I would be


            8              willing to setup something with the mayor


            9              with two of us, three of us can't meet, but


           10              two of us can meet and try to see if we


           11              can't settle this before bad things happen.


           12              I don't want them to happen and I don't


           13              think anyone else does either.


           14                      And my last thing is I would like to


           15              make a motion for Mr. Minora to prepare the


           16              subpoenas for Mr. McDowell to come before us


           17              and answer questions.


           18                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.


           19                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?


           20                      MS. EVANS: I just wanted to add that


           21              regarding any information that Mr. McDowell


           22              might require to respond to council he


           23              should request that information himself from


           24              the Single Tax Office.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF: Anyone else?  All those






            1              in favor signify by saying aye.


            2                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


            3                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


            4                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


            5                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


            6                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


            7              ayes have it and so moved.


            8                      MS. GATELLI: That's all I have,


            9              Mr. McGoff.


           10                      MS. FANUCCI: I have nothing at this


           11              time.


           12                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Neil, I guess I'll


           13              have to get a couple of these things to you.


           14              I got a call about a catch basin at the


           15              corner or Prescott and Mulberry, if they


           16              could take a look at that one.  This article


           17              in the paper of Mr. Oleski has caused my


           18              phone to ring a great deal and one specific,


           19              I tried to call him yesterday I know he was


           20              on vacation, but I called his office and


           21              left a message and he didn't call me back


           22              yet, so, Neil, maybe we could send this


           23              down, there is a lot at the corner of


           24              Hampton Street and Sixth Avenue, I believe


           25              it's 602-604 Hampton, since I have been on






            1              council the people in that neighborhood have


            2              been trying to get the city to clean that


            3              one up and, boy, when they saw this thing in


            4              the paper they called me and I believe it


            5              was one of the last ones that Mary Alice


            6              Burke had torn down so I know it's a city,


            7              the city -- anyway, the city tore it down, I


            8              don't know if they are possession of the


            9              property.


           10                      Realistically, I think everybody


           11              knows there is possibly enough votes for


           12              $90,000 to go through, maybe not, and I


           13              think most know that I'm not in favor of the


           14              $90,000, but if I was one of the people that


           15              were in favor of giving the $90,000 I think


           16              I would be a little bit upset because I


           17              don't believe that any anyone on council


           18              knew about this $10,000 until maybe the day


           19              before we got it.  I didn't know until the


           20              day of the meeting, so if I am one of the


           21              guys helping out the mayor to give this


           22              $90,000 I would have thought that he would


           23              have given me the courtesy to tell me, I'm


           24              backdooring another ten, but evidently he


           25              didn't, so I would be a little bit upset,






            1              you know.


            2                      Mrs. Garvey sent a letter, I believe


            3              it was on my behalf, I'm not sure or council


            4              to Linda Aebli about the 10,000.  I don't


            5              know if it's not -- maybe it's legal, maybe


            6              he found a legal way to do it, but I don't


            7              think it's morally correct at all that he


            8              sent money to the neighborhood association


            9              and then they turned it over to ECTV,


           10              whether it's legal or not I don't know and


           11              hopefully Mr. Minora will find it for us,


           12              and a lot of times the public doesn't want


           13              to take Mr. Minora's answer, you know, they


           14              say he doesn't know what he is doing, which


           15              I'm not -- what I think I'm going to do is


           16              I'm thinking maybe I'll put together a


           17              letter and maybe I'll ask HUD if, in fact,


           18              whether the mayor is allowed to do this.  I


           19              just think it's wrong.


           20                      This TV station has gotten off on


           21              such a bad foot here, I mean, it's put a bad


           22              taste in a lot of people's mouths, people


           23              that originally weren't concerned one way or


           24              another and now are very upset and I think


           25              rightfully so.  I think one thing they have






            1              got to change and change it immediately


            2              today is when they are broadcasting this


            3              meeting.  I mean, for whatever reason they


            4              can't broadcast us live, I hope that


            5              changes, there are lot of people upset about


            6              that, but 2:30 in the afternoon and then


            7              9:30 in the morning when the average person


            8              is working the dayshift can't watch it, once


            9              again, it makes you look like, and I say


           10              you, ECTV, it makes you look like you are


           11              trying to hide government from the people.


           12                   Whether you are or not isn't the


           13              question, it makes it looks like you are, so


           14              I would suggest to you whoever is there,


           15              whether it's Mr. Darcy I believe who I have


           16              never met I don't think, change it today,


           17              right now, so that the people have access to


           18              what's going on in here.  You are making


           19              yourself look terrible, terrible and all you


           20              have to do is just rectify that and I think


           21              you would give yourself a big boost up


           22              there, and I'll get off that subject.


           23                      MS. GATELLI:  Bill, why don't you


           24              make a motion that we send a letter for them


           25              to at least air it every shift.






            1                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  All right.  I'll


            2              make a motion that we send a letter to ECTV


            3              asking them to air city council meetings not


            4              only live, but one of all of the three


            5              working shifts it would be 7 to 3:30, three


            6              working shifts hours would be my motion.


            7                      MS. GATELLI:  I'll second that.


            8                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


            9              those in favor signify by saying aye.


           10                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           11                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           12                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           13                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           14                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           15              ayes have it and so moved.


           16                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Thank you.  One


           17              other one, Neil, on Bromley Avenue, I don't


           18              have the exact address but it's in the 100


           19              block of South Bromley Avenue, oh, I think


           20              it was during the last election that's how


           21              long it's been they tore down a building on


           22              that, a very large building called the


           23              Yeager building and the residents have been


           24              maintaining it up until now and they are


           25              sick of it.  You know, they keep going over






            1              there and cutting the grass, if that's one


            2              that Mr. Oleski could put on his list, it's


            3              a rather large lot, and I did check into I


            4              don't have an official letter or anything,


            5              but I did check into my understanding is the


            6              gas company is going to be tearing up the


            7              road for the full length of Washburn Street,


            8              so once they complete their work the road


            9              will be paved and that road really needs to


           10              be paved.  I'm going to ask the gas company


           11              if they can tear up Meridan Avenue, that


           12              needs to be paved.  It seems that's the only


           13              way we are getting streets paved.


           14                      I won't comment on the fire


           15              department because as Mr. Gervasi said what


           16              went down yesterday was basically for the


           17              police department so I'll comment on that


           18              and I'll reserve my comments on the fire


           19              department if and when something happens


           20              there.


           21                      I would like the people to take a


           22              look and say, for instance, you are a city


           23              police officer that came on the job in 2005,


           24              all right, you haven't had a raise since


           25              2005 and whatever longevity pay you are






            1              getting was now taken away from you so now


            2              you are losing money, okay, how attractive


            3              is that going to be to people who want to be


            4              a police officer in this area?  I know there


            5              is articles in the paper saying we have a


            6              ton of people that applied and more so than


            7              ever, I think not.  I think I know as much


            8              about that as anybody in this city, and I


            9              talked to the people that are going to


           10              become police officers, some of them that


           11              are on the jobs right now whose names I


           12              obviously I won't mention, I don't want to


           13              jeopardize their job, they told me they were


           14              coming here short-term, you know, just until


           15              they get something better.


           16                      I think we need to take a look


           17              around and look at the municipalities around


           18              us that are similar size and makeup as ours


           19              and pay our people accordingly, both police


           20              and fire so that we can get quality people


           21              and people that want to stay here.  When you


           22              have a lot of people leave that have left


           23              here in the recent past in the police


           24              department anyway, they have knowledge that


           25              you just can't learn through school and that






            1              you learn from working each and everyday, so


            2              I would really like to see that happen that


            3              we start to pay them at the very least what


            4              other municipalities around us are paying so


            5              we don't lose them.


            6                      One concern, and it's a major


            7              concern of mine, is there was a -- there is


            8              language in there about manning, and I


            9              understand that they are going to try to use


           10              supervisors for manning and possibly I'm


           11              hearing anyway that maybe even the


           12              detectives would be pulled to answer a call


           13              if all of the people were called up, but I


           14              will be watching closely as I know other


           15              people told me how many times does the


           16              ComCenter come over the air and say,


           17              "Command car, we have no cars available,"


           18              and that's in the daytime, all right, and


           19              that's what we have now.


           20                      So, I will wait and see what happens


           21              because I don't think anybody knows for sure


           22              how they are going to do it, but if it


           23              appears that we are running very short of


           24              people on the road then I will ask Dave


           25              Elliott to give me a list each and every






            1              week of how many men man each shift and I


            2              want a realistic list, not a list that we


            3              have "X" amount of officers but three of


            4              them are sitting in an office somewhere, I


            5              want to talk about people that are on the


            6              street doing the job.  I don't think there


            7              is I anybody up here that obviously, you


            8              know, we are not always on the same side,


            9              but everybody always seems to agree we need


           10              people on the street, and if this Recovery


           11              Plan or whatever you want to call this is


           12              going to take people off the street, and I


           13              mean really take people off the street, I'm


           14              not talking about we always seem to get into


           15              the numbers here, "Well, we got this many


           16              officers, and we got this many officers,"


           17              let's tell the truth and say who is out


           18              there doing the job, who is out there


           19              answering the calls, not somebody that's


           20              sitting in an office, not somebody that


           21              possibly can answer the call, who is


           22              answering the calls and it really, really


           23              concerns me, so I will keep my mouth shut


           24              until I see what happens and if I see it


           25              going the wrong way then I will become very






            1              boisterous.


            2                      And one last thing, this will be the


            3              last time I do this, it's been almost I


            4              believe three years I have been asking about


            5              the project on Main Avenue from Jackson


            6              Street to Luzerne Street, the mayor refuses,


            7              he doesn't want to answer my letters he told


            8              somebody, I don't want to get that person in


            9              trouble, the last time I saw him he said,


           10              "If he wants to talk to me let him call me,"


           11              so I called him and he didn't answer the


           12              phone and the last time I talked to him I


           13              think it was maybe about a year ago he said


           14              that we are going to use state money, there


           15              might be money in the state budget coming.


           16              He didn't want to go the route that we had


           17              been going with Mr. Kanjorski, so I will


           18              call him and ask him, "Are you going to do


           19              this project on Main Avenue in West


           20              Scranton, yes or no," and that will be the


           21              last time and hopefully he will give me a


           22              yes or no answer.  I'm really getting


           23              irritated and that's all I have.  Thank you.


           24                      MS. GATELLI: Excuse me just for one


           25              second, but I told you once before and it






            1              might help you to call Dr. Barry Minora.


            2                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I've dealt with


            3              Dr. Minora at the very beginning.


            4                      MS. GATELLI: He got some grants I


            5              think and other kinds of grants.


            6                      MR. COURTRIGHT: That was the very


            7              first thing I did, Mr. McTiernan was on the


            8              council at the time and we met,


            9              Mr. McTiernan and myself and Chris Doherty


           10              and we met and I told him Dr. Barry Minora


           11              was very willing to help us to show us where


           12              the money and everything and this and that


           13              and he didn't seem to open to that, the


           14              mayor so we went the route of Congressman


           15              Kanjorski, Congressman Kanjorski came up, we


           16              walked Main Avenue, he said -- he even


           17              wanted to do more than what I was asking, he


           18              wanted to do underground utilities and then


           19              the last conversation I had with the mayor


           20              was that money was going to becoming through


           21              the state somehow, I believe he mentioned


           22              possibly using Mr. Van who is no longer


           23              there I think he might have been working as


           24              a consultant or something, but nothing


           25              since, and I'm the guy that's getting hit






            1              with the questions every week when I walk


            2              down the avenue, you know, what is going on


            3              here.


            4                      So I will make the call.  If that's


            5              what it takes if he wants a call I'll make


            6              the call, I just thought it was easier if


            7              you sent a letter, he could send it back, I


            8              believe he says he throws my letters in the


            9              garbage somebody told me, so I won't waste


           10              the paper anymore.  That's all I have.


           11              Thank you.


           12                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.  Attorney


           13              Williams, you are back to work.


           14                      MR. WILLIAMS: Thank you.


           15                      MR. MCGOFF: 5-B.


           16                      MR. WILLIAMS: 5-B. FOR INTRODUCTION


           17              - AN ORDINANCE - AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND










           22              THE CONSTRUCTION AND DESIGN OF THE


           23              LACKAWANNA RIVER HERITAGE TRAIL TO BE


           24              LOCATED ON THE TRAIL AREA.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF:  At this time I'll






            1              entertain a motion that Item 5-B be


            2              introduced into it's proper committee.


            3                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.


            4                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.


            5                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


            6              those in favor signify by saying aye.


            7                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


            8                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


            9                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           10                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           11                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           12              ayes have it and so moved.


           13                      MR. WILLIAMS: 5-C. FOR INTRODUCTION


           14              - AN ORDINANCE - CREATING AN OVERSIGHT






           17              ACCESS CHANNELS 61 AND 62 BY ELECTRIC CITY


           18              TELEVISION ("ECTV") THROUGH THE COMCAST


           19              CABLE SYSTEM.


           20                      MR. MCGOFF: At this time I'll


           21              entertain a motion that Item 5-C be


           22              introduced into it's proper committee.


           23                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.


           24                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All






            1              those in favor signify by saying aye.


            2                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


            3                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


            4                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


            5                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


            6                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


            7              ayes have it and so moved.


            8                      MR. WILLIAMS: 5-D. FOR INTRODUCTION


            9              - AN ORDINANCE - AMENDING FILE OF COUNCIL


           10              NO. 140, 2007, AN ORDINANCE "ENTITLED


           11              GENERAL CITY OPERATING BUDGET 2008" BY


           12              TRANSFERRING $50,000.00 FROM ACCOUNT NO.


           13              01.080.00081.4010 (STANDARD




           15              ENGINEERING) TO ACCOUNT NO.


           16              01.080.00081.4201 (PROFESSIONAL








           20              PAYMENTS TO PENNONI ASSOCIATES.


           21                      MR. MCGOFF: At this time I'll


           22              entertain a motion that Item 5-D be


           23              introduced into it's proper committee.


           24                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  So moved.


           25                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.






            1                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?


            2                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  On the question, we


            3              need a city engineer, so I'll be voting,


            4              yes, but I want to make it known that we are


            5              spending another $50,000 additional than


            6              when we had to do in the past, all right,


            7              so, I'll be voting, yes, because we need a


            8              city engineer, but I'm not happy about it.


            9                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


           10              those in favor of introduction signify by


           11              saying aye.


           12                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           13                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           14                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           15                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           16                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           17              ayes have it and so moved.


           18                      MR. WILLIAMS 5-E. FOR INTRODUCTION -


           19              A RESOLUTION - AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND






           22              EATERY AND PUB, TO OPERATE AND OUTDOOR


           23              RESTAURANT AT 300-302 ADAMS AVENUE,


           24              SCRANTON, PENNSYLVANIA.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF:  At this time I'll






            1              entertain a motion that 5-E be introduced


            2              into it's proper committee.


            3                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.


            4                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.


            5                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


            6              those in favor signify by saying aye.


            7                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


            8                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


            9                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           10                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           11                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           12              ayes have it and so moved.


           13                      MR. WILLIAMS: 5-F. FOR INTRODUCTION


           14              - A RESOLUTION - APPOINTMENT TOF RYAN


           15              MCGOWAN, 735 NORTH BROMLEY AVENUE, SCRANTON,


           16              PENNSYLVANIA, 18504, TO THE POSITION OF CITY


           17              TREASURER EFFECTIVE JUNE 30, 2008.  MR.


           18              MCGOWAN WILL BE REPLACING DOUG HEIN WHO


           19              RESIGNED.


           20                      MR. MCGOFF: At this time I'll


           21              entertain a motion that Item 5-F be


           22              introduced into it's proper committee.


           23                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  So moved.


           24                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All






            1              those in favor signify by saying aye.


            2                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


            3                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


            4                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


            5                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


            6                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


            7              ayes have it and so moved.


            8                      MR. WILLIAMS:  SIX.  Consideration


            9              OF ORDINANCES - READING BY TITLE.  6-A.


           10              READING BY TITLE - FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 28,


           11              2008 - AN ORDINANCE - AMENDING FILE OF


           12              COUNCIL NO. 123 OF 2007, ENTITLED, "AN




           14              APPROPRIATE OFFICIALS OF THE CITY OF








           18              (AS AMENDED) TO BE FUNDED UN THE COMMUNITY






           21              EMERGENCY SHELTER GRANT (ESG) PROGRAM", BY


           22              TRANSFERRING $90,000.00 FROM PROJECT 02-234




           24              NO. 08-248 ELECTRIC CITY TELEVISION.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF: You have heard Reading






            1              by Title of Item 6-A what is your pleasure?


            2                      MS. FANUCCI: As Chairperson for the


            3              Committee on Community Development, I


            4              recommend final passage of Item 6-A.


            5                      MS. GATELLI: Second.


            6                      MR. MCGOFF: No, we didn't move it


            7              yet.


            8                      MS. GATELLI: What do you mean we


            9              didn't move it?


           10                      MS. FANUCCI: I'll move it.


           11              Mr. Chairperson, first I move that 6-A pass


           12              Reading by Title.


           13                      MS. GATELLI: Second.


           14                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


           15              those in favor signify by saying aye.


           16                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           17                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           18                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?


           19                      MR. COURTRIGHT: No.


           20                      MS. EVANS: No.


           21                      MR. MCGOFF: The ayes have it and so


           22              moved.


           23                      MR. WILLIAMS: 6-B. READING YT TITLE


           24              - FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 30, 2008 - AN


           25              ORDINANCE - AUTHORIZING AN EASEMENT ON






            1              CITY-OWNED LAND TO THE SCRANTON SCHOOL




            3              WEST ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.


            4                      MR. MCGOFF: You have heard Reading


            5              my Title of Item 6-B what is your pleasure?


            6                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I move that Item 6-B


            7              pass Reading by Title.


            8                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.


            9                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?


           10                      MS. EVANS: At last week's meeting I


           11              had requested that if any residents had


           12              concerns regarding this legislation if they


           13              would be please contact the office of city


           14              council prior to today.  I know that I


           15              received no e-mails or phone calls regarding


           16              this piece of legislation and so I'll be


           17              approving it.


           18                      MR. MCGOFF: And I know I had a


           19              question about some of the wording and I did


           20              not hear from anyone and my fault I did not


           21              contact anyone at the school district to ask


           22              for clarification, but since are no


           23              complaints by residents I assume it --


           24                      MS. GATELLI:  I think that we talked


           25              about this before and that some of the






            1              residents did meet with the school district


            2              and it was rectified.  That was my


            3              understanding.


            4                      MS. EVANS: Yes, that's true, but


            5              this legislation involves an easement onto


            6              the land that they had previously discussed,


            7              and in the original ordinance I believe the


            8              easement was to be used only for access and


            9              egress --


           10                      MS. GATELLI: For emergency vehicles.


           11                      MS. EVANS: -- for emergency vehicles


           12              to the proposed new school.  Now, however,


           13              they are asking for a broadening of the use


           14              of that easement I think in order to bring


           15              through equipment and such that are required


           16              in the construction.


           17                      MR. MCGOFF: Anyone else, 6-B. All


           18              those in favor signify by saying aye.


           19                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           20                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           21                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           22                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           24              ayes have it and so moved.


           25                      MR. WILLIAMS: Seven.  FINAL READING






            1              OF RESOLUTIONS AND ORDINANCES -


            2              CONSIDERATION FOR ADOPTION.  7-A. FOR




            4              DEVELOPMENT - FOR ADOPTION - RESOLUTION NO.


            5              35, 2008 - AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND OTHER








            9              BLOCK GRANT LOAN PROGRAM, PROJECT NO. 08-248


           10              IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $90,000.00 TO


           11              ELECTRIC CITY TELEVISION TO ASSIST AN


           12              ELIGIBLE PROJECT.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF: What is the


           14              recommendation of the Chairperson for the


           15              Committee on Community Development?


           16                      MS. FANUCCI: As Chairperson for the


           17              Committee on Community Development, I


           18              recommend final passage of Item 7-A.


           19                      MS. GATELLI: Second.


           20                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?


           21                      MS. EVANS: Yes.  An item that I find


           22              bothersome is that obviously the mayor will


           23              give ECTV $90,000 directly, that means


           24              specifically by means of legislation placed


           25              before city council for it's approval or






            1              denial, yet, the mayor takes $10,000


            2              indirectly and passes it to one nonprofit to


            3              give to another, gives it to one nonprofit


            4              to give to ECTV and this just doesn't seem


            5              appropriate, ethical.  If you can't present


            6              7-A directly I see no reason why the $10,000


            7              couldn't have been given directly to ECTV.


            8              Why funnel it through another nonprofit?


            9                   Now, I don't think it's good enough to


           10              say, well, this very may well have occurred


           11              in the past and so we are going to accept it


           12              today.  No, it's not acceptable.  If it were


           13              done in the past it wasn't right and that


           14              doesn't excuse today's improprieties.


           15                      In addition to that, you may say,


           16              well, it's a minimal amount of money, well,


           17              you could take $577,000 and create maybe 50


           18              minimal projects all of which could be


           19              administered behind closed doors without the


           20              knowledge of the public without the approval


           21              of city council.


           22                      Now, my last word on this is going


           23              to be this isn't Monopoly money just because


           24              it's not coming out of the city's operating


           25              budget doesn't mean this is, you know,






            1              nonexistent funding.  It's not going to hit


            2              you in the pocket.  Well, yes, it is because


            3              these are tax dollars, but most particularly


            4              these are federal tax dollars and I don't


            5              know that the federal government is going to


            6              approve the manner in which the City of


            7              Scranton through it's Office of Economic and


            8              Community Development much shuffles federal


            9              tax dollars, so I will not in good


           10              conscience approve what I believe is


           11              entangled in very, very inappropriate


           12              mismanagement of public funds.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF: Anyone else?  Roll call,


           14              please.


           15                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.


           16                      MS. EVANS:  No.


           17                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Gatelli.


           18                      MS. GATELLI.  Yes.


           19                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.


           20                      MS. FANUCCI:  Yes.


           21                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. Courtright.


           22                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  No.


           23                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.


           24                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes.  I hereby declare


           25              Item 7-A legally and lawfully adopted.






            1                      MR. WILLIAMS: 7-B. FOR CONSIDERATION


            2              BY THE COMMITTEE ON RULES - FOR ADOPTION -


            3              RESOLUTION NO. 41, 2008 - REAPPOINTING DAVID


            4              CARDEN, 248 WILBUR ST., SCRANTON,


            5              PENNSYLVANIA, 18508, AS A MEMBER OF THE


            6              BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS FOR THE CITY OF


            7              SCRANTON.  MR. CARDEN'S TERM EXPIRES ON JULY


            8              1, 2008 AND HIS NEW TERM WILL EXPIRE ON JULY


            9              1, 2011.


           10                      MR. MCGOFF: As Chairperson for the


           11              Committee on Rules, I recommend final


           12              passage of Item 7-B.


           13                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.


           14                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  Roll


           15              call.


           16                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.


           17                      MS. EVANS:  Yes.


           18                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Gatelli.


           19                      MS. GATELLI.  Yes.


           20                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.


           21                      MS. FANUCCI:  Yes.


           22                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. Courtright.


           23                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Yes.


           24                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes.  I hereby declare






            1              Item 7-B legally and lawfully adopted, and I


            2              would like to thank Mr. Williams for his


            3              fine work and ask for a motion to adjourn.


            4                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.


            5                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.


            6                      MS. EVANS: And a job well done.












































            1                     C E R T I F I C A T E




            3        I hereby certify that the proceedings and


            4   evidence are contained fully and accurately in the


            5   notes of testimony taken by me at the hearing of the


            6   above-captioned matter and that the foregoing is a true


            7   and correct transcript of the same to the best of my


            8   ability.







                                    CATHENE S. NARDOZZI, RPR

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