1              SCRANTON CITY COUNCIL MEETING








            5                          HELD:




            7                  Tuesday, June 24, 2008




            9                        LOCATION:


           10                    Council Chambers


           11                 Scranton City Hall


           12              340 North Washington Avenue


           13                Scranton, Pennsylvania











































                MS. JANET E. EVANS



            9   MS. SHERRY FANUCCI



                MR. WILLIAM COURTRIGHT



           12   MS. KAY GARVEY, CITY CLERK






           15   MR. AMIL MINORA, SOLICITOR


























            1   (Pledge of Allegiance recited and moment of reflection


            2   observed.)


            3                      MR. MCGOFF:  Roll call, please?


            4                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.


            5                      MS. EVANS:  Here.


            6                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Gatelli.


            7                      MS. GATELLI.  Here.


            8                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.


            9                      MS. FANUCCI:  Here.


           10                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. Courtright.


           11                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Here.


           12                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF:  Here.  Dispense with


           14              the reading of the minutes.


           15                      MS. GARVEY: THIRD ORDER.  3-A.




           17              31, 2008.


           18                      MR. MCGOFF: Are there any comments?


           19              If not, received and filed.


           20                      MS. GARVEY: 3-B. MINUTES OF THE


           21              SCRANTON-LACKAWANNA HEALTH & WELFARE


           22              AUTHORITY REGULAR MEETING HELD ON MAY 15,


           23              2008.


           24                      MR. MCGOFF:  Are there any comments?


           25              If not, received and filed.






            1                      MS. GARVEY: 3-C. COMBINED FINANCIAL




            3              FOR THE YEAR ENDING DECEMBER 31,2007, FOR




            5              AUTHORITY.


            6                      MR. MCGOFF: Are there any comments?


            7              It not received and filed.


            8                      MS. GARVEY: That's it for Third


            9              Order.


           10                      MR. MCGOFF: I did want to make one


           11              announcement, the Scranton Home Fair which


           12              is a free admission sponsored by the City of


           13              Scranton Office of Economic and Community


           14              Development is going to be held Thursday,


           15              June 26, at the Addison for hotel.  Time is


           16              from 10 a.m.  to 6 p.m., such things as


           17              Plus-on mortgages, real estate, home buyers


           18              programs, lead-based paint hazards, credit


           19              counseling, reverse mortgages and other


           20              another thing that are doing is free blood


           21              level screening for children under eight


           22              years of age, primarily with lead poisoning


           23              in children it is being offered free of


           24              charge if anyone is interested.  That's the


           25              Scranton Home Fair Thursday, June 26, at the






            1              Radisson Hotel from 10 a.m. to 6 p.m. and


            2              it's free of charge.  Any other


            3              announcements?


            4                      MS. GATELLI: Yes.  I'd like to wish


            5              condolences to former Mayor James McNulty,


            6              his mother passed away this past week.


            7              Kevin O'Shea sent an e-mail, Kevin O'Shea,


            8              Jr., as you know his dad had a fire in his


            9              home in Minooka and they are having a


           10              fundraiser this Saturday evening the 28th at


           11              7:00 at Whistles.  The cost is $20 and you


           12              can get tickets at the door.  They are also


           13              going to have a basket raffle and you can


           14              call MaryAnn at 876-4314 if you would like


           15              to donate.  He asked about given


           16              commendations at the party for people that


           17              provided heroic measures and rescuing them


           18              and their son.  One of them was a Mr. Kevin


           19              Browning, and the other one who


           20              coincidentally our county commissioner Corey


           21              O'Brien, so I would like council to work


           22              later to do that and if someone is going to


           23              attend the party they can present the


           24              proclamation.


           25                      Also, on Saturday evening, the 28th,






            1              at 7:00 at the Mellow Theater at Lackawanna


            2              Junior College they are having giving gate,


            3              it's being to done by Caring Kids.  They are


            4              college students, they are going to be


            5              performing songs and dances from Broadway


            6              shows such as Annie, West Side Story, Chorus


            7              Line, Phantom and Les Mis and it's all


            8              benefiting St. Joseph's Center which is an


            9              excellent cause.  Tickets can be obtained by


           10              contacting Lee Minora at 241-8013 or


           11              Michelle Conaboy at 687-0406 and tickets can


           12              also be obtained at the door.


           13                      Tonight at 5:00 there will be a


           14              celebration in Center Street, it's called


           15              Tuesdays on Center Street, and the theme


           16              tonight is African American night and the


           17              guess star is Shanay Brown, wife of our city


           18              hall reporter Stacy Brown.  It's a free


           19              event and it's from 5 to 7 tonight.


           20                      The last item I have is a Troop 16


           21              at St. Mary's Church is doing a service


           22              project at Nay Aug Park down at the


           23              footbridge and they are building a camp site


           24              for their troop.  They are asking for


           25              volunteers and they will be meeting this






            1              Thursday evening at 6:00 at the treehouse


            2              for anyone who is interested in helping.


            3              That's all I have.


            4                      MR. MCGOFF: Anyone else?  No other


            5              announcements.  Fourth Order.  Doug Miller.


            6                      MR. MILLER:  Morning, Council.  Doug


            7              Miller, president of the Scranton Junior


            8              City Council.  Today marks my final meeting


            9              as president and a member of the Scranton


           10              Junior City Council.  I would like to thank


           11              quite a few people for making the last two


           12              years a wonderful learning experience.


           13                   First, I would like to thank


           14              Mrs. Gatelli for supporting our council


           15              since day one.  Mrs. Gatelli has become


           16              someone that I admire and have great respect


           17              for.  I would also like to thank the rest of


           18              city council for their assistance along the


           19              way.  A special thanks also must go out to


           20              the council staff.  They have also been very


           21              helpful during my two-year term.


           22                      I would like to thank Ian Miller for


           23              his service on Junior Council.  Ian and I


           24              were the first two members appointed to this


           25              council and now we are the last two to






            1              leave.  Ian has shown excellent leadership


            2              skills and one day he may be a leader of


            3              this city.  I wish him the best of luck as


            4              he moves forward.


            5                      I must also take this time to thank


            6              a very special person, Mr. Bob Bolus.  When


            7              I was 12 years old Bob introduced me to my


            8              first city council meeting.  It is because


            9              of him that I became interested in city


           10              government.  I would not be standing here


           11              today if it weren't for Mr. Bolus'


           12              friendship, advice and encouragement.  Bob,


           13              thanks for helping me become a better


           14              leader.


           15                      Most of all, I want to thank my


           16              parents.  They have been tremendous


           17              supporters and have always help guide my


           18              down the right path.  You have also helped


           19              make me a better leader.  I know these two


           20              years weren't always your favorites, but


           21              serving on Junior Council has been a


           22              wonderful experience for me.  As an


           23              18-year-old student I am very proud of


           24              everything that we have accomplished over


           25              the last two years.  The one thing I am most






            1              proud of is the fact that we as a council


            2              never gave up, we are never quitters.  Some


            3              would probably say we certainly had a reason


            4              to, but as president of this council I knew


            5              we would overcome the criticism and the


            6              personal attacks.  I truly believe that


            7              Junior Council was a hug success and a


            8              valuable educational tool for students all


            9              across the city.  It was truly an honor for


           10              me to represent West Scranton High School


           11              and all of my fellow students and I thank my


           12              teachers and principals for their guidance


           13              as well.


           14                      During my term on Junior Council I


           15              have become stronger, wiser and more mature.


           16              Finally, I would hope that in the future the


           17              students that speak before council are not


           18              chastised and stifled by speakers.  While


           19              many of us on Junior Council have become a


           20              lot wiser there seems to be some adults here


           21              that still have a lot to learn.  You all


           22              must remember one thing, it's not your


           23              future on the line, it's ours.  Thank you


           24              and have a great summer.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Doug.  I have






            1              only been on council now for two years, but


            2              I would like to say that -- I would like to


            3              thank Douglas and the other members of


            4              Junior Council for all of the work that they


            5              have done.  People are generally judged by


            6              their accomplishments, and I think in the


            7              future your tenure as Junior Council, you


            8              and Ian and the other members that will be


            9              judged very favorably because you did


           10              accomplish quite a bit and I thank you.


           11                      MR. MILLER: Thank you.


           12                      MS. GATELLI:  I would also like to


           13              thank the Junior Council, it was under my


           14              tenure that the council was formed.  It is


           15              my hope that it will continue, however, I


           16              don't believe that that will happen.  If you


           17              read today's paper up in Carbondale they are


           18              now starting a Junior City Council, so it


           19              has caught on and you did some wonderful


           20              work, you got some playgrounds cleaned, you


           21              got the handicapped swingset and you also


           22              are working on the firemen's monument, so


           23              you are a credit to your community, both of


           24              you and the students that preceded you also,


           25              and you have been a tremendous asset to the






            1              city and we appreciate your voluntarily


            2              work.  Thank you.


            3                      MR. MCGOFF: Les Spindler.


            4                      MR. SPINDLER: Morning, Council, Les


            5              Spindler, city resident, home owner.  I only


            6              have one question today, it's the question I


            7              asked last week and it went unanswered, in


            8              the past many times Mrs. Fanucci has stated


            9              that grant money can only be used for what


           10              it was originally intended for so how can


           11              the three members of council that voted to


           12              transfer $90,000 to ECTV, how can you


           13              justify transferring that money?


           14              Mr. McGoff, can you answer that question?


           15                      MR. MCGOFF: I'm sorry?  You want me


           16              to answer, is that what you said?  I didn't


           17              hear what you said?


           18                      MR. SPINDLER: Yes.  Did you hear my


           19              question or were you dreaming?


           20                      MR. MCGOFF: I can justify the


           21              transfer because it's an eligible project.


           22              The funds were not being used for -- the


           23              projects had run out for which they were


           24              being used and I think it's a worthwhile


           25              cause.






            1                      MR. SPINDLER: Well, there was


            2              another worthwhile project, Mr. Hubbard came


            3              here many times asking for $280,000 for the


            4              flood project, but members of this council


            5              said, oh, we can't transfer it, it's meant


            6              for something else.  How do you explain


            7              that?  How do you transfer one amount of


            8              money but you can't transfer another?  I got


            9              you, huh?


           10                      MS. FANUCCI: No, I hate to respond


           11              to you, Les, because there is nothing that I


           12              can say that you are not going to try to --


           13                      MR. SPINDLER: Because you are wrong.


           14                      MS. FANUCCI: -- justify yourself --


           15              no.


           16                      MR. SPINDLER: You're all nothing but


           17              puppets of the mayor --


           18                      MS. FANUCCI: So you don't want the


           19              answer?  You don't want the answer?


           20                      MS. SPINDLER: I'm talking now.


           21                      MS. FANUCCI: Well, then don't ask a


           22              question.


           23                      MR. SPINDLER: You do whatever Chris


           24              Doherty wants you to do.  Why don't the


           25              three of you grow a spine and do what's good






            1              for the city.


            2                      MR. MCGOFF: Excuse me.


            3                      MR. SPINDLER: What, Mr. McGoff?


            4                      MR. MCGOFF: You asked for a response


            5              and then --


            6                      MR. SPINDLER: Yes, and I didn't get


            7              a good response.


            8                      MR. MCGOFF: And then you started


            9              yelling.


           10                      MR. SPINDLER: You do what's good for


           11              what Chris Doherty wants, but you don't do


           12              what's good for the city.  You can't


           13              transfer money to help the flood project,


           14              but you can transfer money to help bring


           15              another TV station in here.  You have no


           16              explanation for that and that's wrong.


           17                      MS. FANUCCI: I have an explanation,


           18              Les, but obviously you don't want it, so


           19              it's okay.  It's okay.


           20                      MR. SPINDLER: Your explanation is


           21              just coming from --


           22                      MS. FANUCCI: You just keep spewing


           23              your anger and see what you get.


           24                      MR. SPINDLER: -- Chris


           25              Doherty or Virginia McGregor.






            1                      MS. FANUCCI: Actually, mine comes


            2              from me, I'm not sure actually where your


            3              questions come from you --


            4                      MR. SPINDLER:  My questions come


            5              from myself.


            6                      MS. FANUCCI:  My answers come from


            7              fact.


            8                      MR. SPINDLER: I don't have anybody


            9              pulling my strings.


           10                      MS. FANUCCI: My answers come from


           11              facts.


           12                      MR. SPINDLER: Nobody is pulling my


           13              strings.  You don't have any -- Mr. McGoff,


           14              you don't have any answer to my question?


           15              How come you couldn't transfer $280,000 to


           16              the flood project?


           17                      MS. GATELLI: Well, Mr. Spindler, the


           18              flood project is being done.  I mean --


           19                      MR. SPINDLER: But it wasn't being


           20              done back then --


           21                      MS. GATELLI: Yes, it was, it just


           22              takes time.


           23                      MR. SPINDLER: No, it wasn't.


           24                      MS. FANUCCI: Yes, it was, for years.


           25                      MS. GATELLI: Yes, it was.






            1                      MR. SPINDLER:  Not in lower


            2              Greenridge.


            3                      MS. GATELLI: Oh, absolutely it was.


            4                      MR. SPINDLER:  No, it wasn't.


            5                      MS. FANUCCI: Yes, it was.


            6                      MS. GATELLI:  You will have to look


            7              it up because it has been, Mr. Spindler.


            8                      MR. SPINDLER:  I'm fighting a losing


            9              battle now, I have to get back, some of us


           10              have to work.


           11                      MS. GATELLI:  Yeah, some of you.


           12              You are not here about the wage tax, that's


           13              for sure.


           14                      MR. MCGOFF: Excuse me, that's


           15              uncalled for.  Ozzie Quinn.


           16                      MR. QUINN:  Ozzie Quinn, Taxpayers'


           17              Association.  In the beginning of the agenda


           18              you read approval of the file, the reports,


           19              did you all read those reports?  Did you all


           20              read those reports?


           21                      MS. GATELLI:  Yeah, we have them.


           22                      MR. QUINN:  Did you read them before


           23              you approve them?  That's how you got in


           24              trouble with the tax office, you know?  I


           25              hope you are reading these reports.






            1                      MS. GATELLI:  We usually look at


            2              them.


            3                      MR. QUINN:  In this morning's


            4              paper-- you didn't read them, that's what


            5              happened.  In this morning's paper there is


            6              an advertisement in the city for a risk


            7              management consultant, what does that mean?


            8              Under business, government or business


            9              mismanagement means that you have to have a


           10              strategy development because you are in


           11              trouble.  That's the only thing -- the only


           12              reason I would see why you are hiring this


           13              manager.  Does anybody know about that, a


           14              risk manager?


           15                      MS. FANUCCI: I can tell you what, I


           16              mean, Ozzie, again, you are not going to --


           17              risk management is not just for people who


           18              are in trouble, risk management is to try to


           19              make sure you foresee any problems down the


           20              line.  That's what it's all about.


           21                      MR. QUINN: Correct.  Right.


           22                      MS. FANUCCI: So, you would want risk


           23              management in any corporation in any city at


           24              all times, that is something that's pretty


           25              much prudent.






            1                      MR. QUINN: Right, I believe the


            2              Doherty administration sees trouble down the


            3              line that's what I'm saying it, okay?  I'm


            4              asking you today to rebid the cable


            5              television, okay, because of the fact that,


            6              you know, there is an outstanding situation


            7              where one applicant did not yet have a


            8              hearing before the Ethics Commission.


            9                      MS. FANUCCI: That was you, right?


           10                      MR. QUINN:  No, it wasn't me.


           11                      MS. FANUCCI: I believe that that was


           12              your application, correct?


           13                      MR. QUINN: No.


           14                      MS. FANUCCI:  You and -- it was not?


           15                      MR. QUINN:  Northeast Public Access


           16              Television.


           17                      MS. FANUCCI: Was you and --


           18                      MR. QUINN:  It's not me.


           19                      MS. FANUCCI: Oh, I'm sorry.


           20                      MR. QUINN: It was Dave Allen.


           21                      MS. FANUCCI:  I'm sure that that was


           22              -- you were one of the three applicants,


           23              weren't you?


           24                      MR. QUINN:  Hold my time on that


           25              blabber, okay?  Now, the fact is he did






            1              those bids, the mayor, to fit one shoe.


            2              They were disgusting those bids.  I never


            3              seen anything like that in my life come out


            4              of government and they should be rebid


            5              because the person who bid them, Balton is


            6              no longer with ECTV.  Second, the fact is


            7              that when they put their bid in they


            8              submitted a budget that did not include an


            9              OECD grant.  I mean, you cannot do that in


           10              the middle of a stream.  You just can't do


           11              it -- oh, you can do it, I guess you can do


           12              it, obviously you can do it, but you should


           13              not do it, it's not good government.


           14                      Third, citizens' participation,


           15              public hearing.  There should be citizen


           16              participation, a public hearing by OECD


           17              before council acts on this.  It's not


           18              required, but it's good government.  Is


           19              there going to be a public hearing or


           20              citizens' participation?  No?


           21                      MS. GATELLI:  We are having it now.


           22                      MS. FANUCCI: You are having it now.


           23                      MR. QUINN:  OECD.


           24                      MS. FANUCCI: No.


           25                      MR. QUINN:  Has to have a citizens'






            1              participation.


            2                      MS. FANUCCI: They don't have to.


            3                      MR. QUINN: Well, I beg to differ.


            4              We will see in the future.  All right.  We


            5              have seen through Scranton Today which we


            6              would never have witnessed before, I know


            7              it, in the print or any electronic media the


            8              fact that we are 400 million dollars in


            9              debt, we sold a tax producing, revenue


           10              producing golf course, we sold a South Side


           11              Complex to the University and we yet do not


           12              have any baseball or softball field with


           13              lights after how many years.  Daron


           14              Industries, no one ever heard of that.  The


           15              neighborhood blight and rehab never would


           16              have been brought out.  OECD monitoring


           17              reports, never brought out, she sat on them


           18              for three years.  Police and firefighters,


           19              the problems they are having, not getting


           20              any raise in five years, you never would


           21              have heard that or complaints.


           22                      And you know what I found out, since


           23              Mr. Doherty has taken office, and this is


           24              probably a first on Scranton today, he has


           25              hired 60 employees on the Sewer Authority.






            1              Unbelievable.  Yet they raised our rates ins


            2              2003, I'd like to see what those rates were.


            3              So, I'm asking you on behalf of our protest


            4              this morning please do not pass this


            5              resolution to approve ECTV and put it back


            6              out to bid because you know it's ragged and


            7              it should never happened. Thank you.


            8                      MS. EVANS: Mr. Quinn, if I just


            9              might explain one thing to him, on going


           10              back to the beginning of your presentation


           11              the risk management consultant for the city,


           12              we did receive some information on that and


           13              I'll read just a portion of the


           14              specifications for you so that you might


           15              better understand what this entails:


           16                   "Provide professional risk management


           17              consulting services to the City of Scranton,


           18              assist with revisions to the City of


           19              Scranton's Pennsylvania state accident and


           20              illness prevention program as well as


           21              enhance employee health and safety policies


           22              and programs with the goal of reducing both


           23              employee injuries and worker's compensation


           24              related costs."


           25                      So, it would appear to me that the






            1              City may be substituting this consultant for


            2              the previous health care cost containment


            3              committee.


            4                      MR. QUINN:  Which the mayor cut out.


            5              Thank you.


            6                      MS. EVANS: Pardon?


            7                      MR. QUINN: Which the mayor cut out.


            8                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mrs. Evans.


            9              Thank you, Mr. Quinn.


           10                      MS. FRANUS:  Fay Franus, Scranton.


           11              I want to start off by saying that


           12              everything I say at any meeting is my


           13              opinion.  Mr. Minora, I would like to ask


           14              you a question?  Mr. Minora?  Last week when


           15              I left the podium you made a statement about


           16              what I talked about the subpoena, I read


           17              from the Home Rule Charter saying that an


           18              investigation will come after a subpoena and


           19              you said something.  I would like you to,


           20              maybe you don't have it now, but I would


           21              like you to cite the code to which you


           22              referred, the section, the paragraph and


           23              provide me with a company of that, please?


           24              Could I have that this week, please?


           25                      MR. MINORA: I work for city council.






            1                      MS. FRANUS:  Yes.  I asked you if I


            2              could have what you quoted.


            3                      MR. MINORA: I don't work for you, I


            4              work for city council.


            5                      MS. EVANS: Then, Mr. Minora, as a


            6              council person I'll ask that you provide the


            7              information to the city resident, please.


            8                      MR. MINORA: I'll get you the code


            9              section.


           10                      MS. FRANUS:  From what you were


           11              referring to, from what you were referring


           12              to I will have all of that information?


           13                      MR. MINORA:  I'll provide it to


           14              council and they can provide it to you.


           15                      MS. FRANUS:  Thank you.  Mr. Minora,


           16              are you related to this John Darcy in any


           17              way that's going to be involved with the


           18              ECTV?


           19                      MR. MINORA: No.


           20                      MS. FRANUS:  No one in your family


           21              is?


           22                      MR. MCGOFF: Mrs. Franus --


           23                      MR. MINORA: My family is not part of


           24              this matter.  I am not related to him.


           25              That's what you need to know, those are your






            1              answers.  I am not going to sit here and be


            2              interrogated by you, do you understand?


            3                      MS. FRANUS: It's a question.


            4                      MR. MCGOFF: Mrs. Franus --


            5                      MR. MINORA: I will not be


            6              interrogated by you.


            7                      MS. FRANUS: I'm not interrogating,


            8              I'm asking you a question.


            9                      MR. MCGOFF: The questions should be


           10              directed to council not to Attorney Minora.


           11                      MS. FRANUS:  Well, Mr. Minora was


           12              involved with someone that is involved in


           13              ECTV that is city business.


           14                      MR. MCGOFF: Then address the


           15              questions to us and --


           16                      MS. FRANUS:  Let me ask you,


           17              Mr. McGoff, you see that flag behind you,


           18              last time I heard it was American.


           19                      MR. MCGOFF: Excuse me?


           20                      MS. FRANUS: Every time somebody says


           21              something you say excuse me.


           22                      MR. MCGOFF: Well, I didn't hear you.


           23                      MS. FRANUS: And then you say you


           24              want an answer?  You waste so much time


           25              trying to -- I asked you, I said, the flag






            1              behind you last I saw was American, you


            2              should take a look at it because you are


            3              acting like we are in Soviet Russia with


            4              your actions, that happens every week.


            5                      Now, another thing, last week when I


            6              was speaking, and I am speaking,


            7              Mrs. Fanucci interrupted me and I said,


            8              "Point of order."


            9                      You sat there and did nothing.  It


           10              is your job as president to not allow


           11              someone else to speak when I am speaking


           12              unless I give them the floor.  So, I'm going


           13              to hope that the next time that happens that


           14              you do what you are supposed to do.  Do what


           15              you are supposed to do not do what you want


           16              to do.


           17                      Mrs. Gatelli, as head of finance, if


           18              Channel 61 goes black before July 1 when


           19              this other television station is supposed to


           20              take over are you going to ask for more


           21              funding to keep it running or are you going


           22              to let it go?


           23                      MS. GATELLI:  It's not going to go


           24              black.


           25                      MS. FRANUS:  If it does, are you






            1              going to make sure that there will be enough


            2              financing that --


            3                      MS. GATELLI: I'll make sure there is


            4              someone here taping the meeting and it will


            5              be televised.


            6                      MS. FRANUS:  Thank you.  And,


            7              Mrs. Fanucci, when that man spoke last week


            8              for the first time and he asked you about


            9              your house for sale, I believe it was his


           10              business and the only reason I say that is


           11              if you sell your house, yes, that is your


           12              business, but the point he was driving at


           13              was if you buy another house we just wanted


           14              to see if you were still going to live in


           15              Scranton and be a council person, that's all


           16              he meant.


           17                      MS. FANUCCI: Well, there would have


           18              been a better way, and maybe probably not a


           19              public forum.  If he wanted to know that


           20              information he could have pulled me over.


           21                      MS. FRANUS: But that's city


           22              business.


           23                      MS. FANUCCI: If it happened and I


           24              moved somewhere else then it would be an


           25              issue, but at this stage of my life I can






            1              sell a house, I can buy a house, I can do


            2              whatever I want as long as I stay in the


            3              City of Scranton.  I know the rules.  I know


            4              what I need to sit here, so it was not --


            5              personal questions are not really entitled


            6              for this forum.  That was my point.


            7                      MS. FRANUS:  I know.  But, his point


            8              was if you moved out of town and you were


            9              still a council person that's the only thing


           10              he was getting at.


           11                      MS. FANUCCI:  Right, but he said he


           12              got it prompted from the back of the room,


           13              he said that's how he found out the


           14              information was from the back of the room,


           15              and that shows me that this nothing but a --


           16              it was a personal agenda, it was not about


           17              the city, and I have no problem answering


           18              the question and I did the answer the


           19              question.  You know, it just wasn't the


           20              right -- this is not the right forum to ask,


           21              I mean, it just isn't.


           22                      MS. FRANUS:  Well --


           23                      MS. FANUCCI:  You know, it's


           24              personal.


           25                      MS. FRANUS:  Where you live where






            1              you are on council is city business though.


            2                      MS. FRANUS:  Right.  Well,


            3              absolutely and I know the rules of the city


            4              and I know that I have to be in the city to


            5              be a council person and if I'm not in the


            6              city, I would no know enough that would be


            7              an issue.


            8                      MS. FRANUS:  Another thing,


            9              Mr. McGoff, when Mr. Ellman was speaking and


           10              he was speaking about Doug Miller and you


           11              said to him, "We've heard enough already


           12              about that," you have no right to tell


           13              someone who they can talk about and when


           14              they should stop talking and how long they


           15              should talk about someone.  That's none of


           16              your concern.  Mr. Ellman can talk about


           17              whoever he wants to as long as wants to and


           18              you have no right to try to intimidate this


           19              man or anybody else for that matter.


           20                      MR. MCGOFF: I didn't intimidate


           21              anyone.


           22                      MS. FRANUS: You tried.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mrs. Franus.


           24                      MS. FRANUS: You tried.  It won't


           25              happen again.






            1                      MR. MCGOFF: Mr. Sbaraglia.


            2                      MR. SBARAGLIA: Andy Sbaraglia,


            3              citizen of Scranton.  Fellow Scrantonians,


            4              you are about to vote final passage of for


            5              consideration of committee on finance for


            6              adoption, resolution number 39208.  Does


            7              anybody know the dollar amount of that


            8              project?  I read through the brochure, I


            9              estimated it to be somewhere between 20 and


           10              30 million dollars which I realize the city


           11              isn't really doing, all you are is a


           12              conduit, but there is a lot of things in


           13              this provision in that piece of legislation


           14              that calls for us to pay all the way back to


           15              what they acquired the school.  To pay for


           16              all of the furniture, to pay for even the


           17              cost of doing -- issuing bonds.  This thing


           18              is like a 20 or $30 million project.  I wish


           19              they put a dollar amount in it.  Now, I know


           20              there is going to be a public hearing on


           21              this, maybe at that time maybe some of you's


           22              will find out what is actually going to cost


           23              even though it may not -- it's going to cost


           24              the taxpayers, let's put it this way, and as


           25              a taxpayers you should be interested.  Let's






            1              go to 7-B.


            2                      MS. GATELLI: Excuse me,


            3              Mr. Sbaraglia, what ordinance are you


            4              speaking of?


            5                      MR. SBARAGLIA: Resolution No. 39.


            6                      MS. GATELLI: Lackawanna Junior


            7              College.


            8                      MR. SBARAGLIA: Yes, to Lackawanna


            9              College and it's quite expensive what they


           10              are borrowing which wouldn't bother me if


           11              they were borrowing, but they are borrowing


           12              to pay off old debt, too, and move I think


           13              furniture and so forth and so on, it's a


           14              huge amount, plus it's not even specific.


           15                   Okay, let's go to 7-B.  Why are we


           16              increasing our authority up there on Lake


           17              Scranton -- I shouldn't say Lake Lincoln, as


           18              you know the authority is going to run out


           19              this year, it should be killed, just let it


           20              go.  You are going to increase the amount of


           21              this authority, the municipal authority, to


           22              50 years?  Is that the prelude we have to


           23              borrowing up there, which it most likely is?


           24              They are going to long range borrowing up


           25              there and push the city deeper and deeper in






            1              financial problems.  Hat's the only reason


            2              for doing it.


            3                      MS. FANUCCI: Actually we had spoke


            4              about this in caucus, does anybody want to


            5              -- Amil, would you help him and explain what


            6              we talked about in caucus about the


            7              authority?


            8                      MR. MINORA:  Oh, I spoke to Attorney


            9              Paul Kelly this week about reducing the term


           10              from 50 years to some lesser amount, he said


           11              that would be possible, there is a cost


           12              involved in, you know, extending the term


           13              and he would prefer that it not be less than


           14              25 years because of the cost involved and he


           15              wouldn't want to renew an authority every


           16              few years because of the cost involved, but


           17              he had no real problem with council by


           18              motion reducing it from 50 to 25 and he sent


           19              a letter to all of the council people to


           20              that effect.


           21                      MS. FRANUS:  Kay, can you explain to


           22              him how long the last authority was when we


           23              researched that, also?


           24                      MR. MINORA: That was -- the last


           25              time that was done was 1958.






            1                      MS. FANUCCI:  So it was 50 years


            2              before and that was why they tried to do the


            3              50 years again, and also the cost in filing


            4              is exorbitant and it is hard and they don't


            5              want to take too much cost from the


            6              taxpayers on this thing, that's why they


            7              wanted so long.  That was the reasoning if


            8              that's what you wanted to know.


            9                      MR. SBARAGLIA: No, I want to know


           10              the prelude to heavy borrowing.


           11                      MS. FANUCCI: Well, no one can


           12              ever --


           13                      MR. SBARAGLIA: I can assume that's


           14              what it is for.


           15                      MS. FANUCCI: No, you need to do it


           16              every 50 years so it would have to be done


           17              regardless, so I wouldn't say they waited


           18              50 years to borrow if that's what you are


           19              thinking.


           20                      MR. SBARAGLIA: It doesn't have to be


           21              done.  All you have to do is let it die and


           22              let the poor kids in the Hill Section


           23              finally use the pool they are entitled to


           24              use, unless you plan to build them a


           25              different pool.  There is no reason for that






            1              authority, you and I both know that.  That's


            2              could be under the parks like it always was.


            3              It should have been that way.  It should


            4              never have been taken out, but the mayor saw


            5              another way of superseding the authority of


            6              the city by increasing people up there to do


            7              what he had to do.  I really don't know if


            8              that $20,000 ceiling that escapes council


            9              applies to all of the authorities, too, it


           10              probably does.  Thank you.


           11                      MR. MCGOFF: Commissioner Munchak.


           12                      MR. MUNCHAK: Good morning, Council.


           13              I'm passing out an analysis I did.  I'm


           14              here, I'm A.J. Munchak, I'm a Taylor


           15              resident, but I'm a property owner in


           16              Scranton, I pay Scranton property taxes.


           17              I'm here to address Item 6-F on your agenda


           18              and it has to do with ECTV.  I did a little


           19              analysis and I know all of you keep copious


           20              notes and there is a copy there for


           21              Mr. Minora, also, and Janet if you would


           22              pass it down.


           23                      If you will follow along, the


           24              information that I did this analysis right


           25              from their proposal, I'm not privy to any






            1              other information.  As you can see in the


            2              first year they will asking for 25 percent


            3              of the estimated $750,000 franchise fee


            4              which amounts to $187,500.00.  In addition,


            5              I have added in there, the only thing I have


            6              added in there, is this potential $90,000


            7              loan for ECTV.


            8                      With that loan, according to them,


            9              in their first year they are going to lose


           10              approximately $36,000.  The second year


           11              according to the proposal they were going to


           12              pay back in any loan in the first year which


           13              means in the second year they are going to


           14              be the hole $125,000.00.  Now, in going


           15              forward for the first four years ECTV will


           16              have losses, net losses of approximately


           17              $161,000.00.


           18                      So, I ask you when you turn over to


           19              page two there are some items that I think


           20              council should address before they give any


           21              of this money to ECTV.  I consider them open


           22              items because what was good in January is


           23              not good in June.  January, as you know, is


           24              January 22, and I have the proposal here,


           25              they were the successful bidder, for sake of






            1              a better word over Scranton STTV, I'll call


            2              it Channel 61, it's easier for me, but an


            3              integral part of that is I have a question


            4              who is going to replace Chris Balton?


            5              According to the proposal he was the


            6              consummate communications professional who


            7              has won two Emmy awards and has vast


            8              experience.  He was the one that was going


            9              to operate the station.  Who is going to


           10              replace Melissa Marks, station manager?  The


           11              station is now down to one experienced


           12              person, Mark Migliori, who has his


           13              experience from Channel 61.


           14                      Now, the reason I say that is


           15              because there were three people involved in


           16              the operation of ECTV, two of them are gone.


           17              When the proposal came out I contacted


           18              Mr. Balton and he verbally assured me that


           19              county government will be included in the


           20              broadcasts because in the proposal, as


           21              detailed as it was, they did not state that


           22              they were going to do any county broadcast


           23              such as the prison, such as our


           24              commissioner's meeting or special hearings


           25              to inform the public, but he assured me that






            1              they would do that, it was an omission on


            2              his part.  Well, he is gone and if we don't


            3              get guarantees there will be no support, at


            4              least from this minority commissioner, and


            5              I'm sure my colleagues for ECTV unless we


            6              are a participant in it's broadcast.


            7                      What concerns me is the fourth item,


            8              why is there no startup capital listed in


            9              the proposal?  It states corporate


           10              underwriting, which means getting donations,


           11              but it lists no amount, no asset, and no


           12              contributions from stockholders.  This


           13              venture is totally dependent on taxpayer


           14              moneys.  There is no private money involved


           15              in this whatsoever and that worries me.


           16                      As you know, we have all done it we


           17              have all done it, all loans require


           18              financial statements, whether it's a


           19              mortgage you need three years prior, and if


           20              these are stockholders where are their


           21              assets, what are their assets, what are


           22              their equities?  It hasn't been provided to


           23              the public perhaps, I don't know if council


           24              has it, but this is basic counting.  A


           25              four-year budget does not fulfill the






            1              financial requirements for a loan of $90,000


            2              and subsequent monies of 187,500 each year


            3              or more.


            4                      If you give that loan, again,


            5              according to their proposal, they will be


            6              using taxpayer money to pay off the taxpayer


            7              loan to the entity.  In other words,


            8              taxpayers will be paying themselves.  I


            9              don't think that's correct.  I don't think


           10              it's right, I don't think it's ethical.


           11                   Now, according to published reports


           12              there is another concern, there are problems


           13              -- can you allow me two more minutes?


           14                      MR. MCGOFF: Yes, Commissioner


           15              Munchak.


           16                      MR. MUNCHAK: There are problems


           17              regarding building permits and zoning


           18              approvals.  These should be resolved before


           19              any loan is approved.  Two weeks ago I spoke


           20              to Mr. Welby, chairman of the selection


           21              committee, and he had similar concerns.  I


           22              suggest he appear before council to answer


           23              whether his concerns have been addressed.


           24                   Channel 61 has always been


           25              nonpolitical.  It's programming reflected






            1              this policy.  Republicans, Democrats, and


            2              Independents were all treated the same.


            3              ECTV appears to have cow-towed to the wishes


            4              of the mayor, that is it restrict televising


            5              the council meetings and eliminating the


            6              Taxpayer Association meetings.  Why?


            7              Because frustrated taxpayers complain about


            8              his administration and it puts the city in a


            9              bad light.


           10                      My administration took verbal abuse


           11              from that same Taxpayers' Association, but


           12              it was a necessary part of informing the


           13              public.  We never stifled any views from the


           14              public.  I ask all of council members think


           15              before you act, get the answers before you


           16              vote, delay the vote until you have Mr.


           17              Welby and/or Mr. Darcy, the only remaining


           18              member, the only remaining founder of ECTV


           19              to answer your questions.  If you don't I


           20              think ECTV's proposal should be canned, it


           21              should be null and void and Scranton Today


           22              be given that money because they did submit


           23              a good proposal, but at the time apparently


           24              ECTV was better.  I thank you for your time.


           25              You have any questions for me?  I know this






            1              isn't a Commissioner's meeting, I never get


            2              cheered like that.


            3                      MS. FANUCCI: You found your people,


            4              AJ, you found your people.  I want to tell


            5              you we did receive some correspondence from


            6              Mr. Welby and we all did receive that before


            7              the meeting so we will make that part of it


            8              so you will understand a little bit better


            9              what his reply was, so that is good, we did


           10              receive that.


           11                      MR. MUNCHAK: And I know none of you


           12              want to give public money to a company that


           13              is one step in the hole already before they


           14              even start.


           15                      MS. FANUCCI: Right.


           16                      MR. MUNCHAK:  There is no


           17              experienced people except for one and that


           18              worries me.


           19                      MS. FANUCCI: We'll discuss that


           20              later.  Thank you though.


           21                      MS. EVANS: Mr. Munchak, just


           22              quickly, you raised one of the questions


           23              that I had raised last week concerning


           24              Mr. Balton's disassociation with ECTV, since


           25              then I think it's Mr. Mark Migliori who will






            1              be taking his place as executive director.


            2              He would have been an employee of ECTV


            3              regardless, but obviously his been promoted


            4              to that position quite recently, and as an


            5              aside here, is a former employee of Scranton


            6              Today.


            7                      And as Mrs. Fanucci indicated we


            8              would did receive correspondence just this


            9              morning from Mr. Welby and having perused it


           10              very quickly I can tell you that it appears


           11              Mr. Welby is well satisfied with his


           12              selection.


           13                      MR. MUNCHAK:  Well, thank you for


           14              that, and I'm sure you will make it public,


           15              but as of quarter to 9:00 last night at the


           16              chamber dinner he was not happy, but --


           17                      MS. EVANS: Would you like to see it?


           18                      MR. MUNCHAK: No, I believe you.  I


           19              believe you.  That's okay.


           20                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Mr. McGoff, can I


           21              ask just one question, please, and I'll


           22              speak on ECTV when the legislation comes up,


           23              I just want to ask you this because we just


           24              did receive a letter from Mr. Welby and in


           25              your presentation here it says, "Two weeks






            1              ago Mr. Welby, Chairman of the selection


            2              committee, which chose ECTV had similar


            3              concerns."


            4                      Could you just briefly tell me what


            5              those concerns were that he has because he


            6              sent us a letter all for it today.


            7                      MR. MUNCHAK:  Well, his concerns, I


            8              paraphrased some of the them, but one was


            9              who is going to run the station?  There was


           10              one only one person because he didn't know


           11              Mr. Darcy's background.  In the proposal


           12              there were resumes from Mr. Balton, Melissa


           13              Marks and, of course, Mark, but there was


           14              only three employees and two were gone, that


           15              was one concern he had.


           16                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Excuse me, I'm


           17              sorry, Mrs. Marks is gone also?


           18                      MR. MUNCHAK: Melissa Marks, yes, she


           19              is gone.  She left 61, she is in private


           20              industry, and I confirmed that yesterday,


           21              she is not planning on returning to ECTV.


           22                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Thank you.


           23                      MR. MUNCHAK: That was one concern,


           24              who was going to run the station.  Secondly,


           25              he was worried about the financial status of






            1              ECTV.  He entrusted me over the phone, well,


            2              I know they are getting public money, but


            3              I'm not aware of any, well, the cofounders,


            4              obviously Mr. Darcy and Mr. Balton, when you


            5              start up a company, you know, as we all, I


            6              should most of us, you have to put up some


            7              equity just like mortgaging your home.  You


            8              put up some equity of your assets and at


            9              least a 20 percent down payment, nothing is


           10              free, so he was concerned about that, the


           11              financial side of it.  They were the main


           12              things and he was -- well, I don't want to


           13              use the word worried, but concerned and I


           14              don't know, I'm glad he solved his concerns


           15              or eliminated them or whatever that


           16              particular letter says, but, again, as of


           17              last night I said, "I'm combing here," he


           18              said, "Boy, I still have concerns --" no, "I


           19              still have some problems," that was the


           20              word, problems, not concerns, so maybe he


           21              got some answers in-between, but that was


           22              last night at quarter to 9:00 at the chamber


           23              dinner.


           24                      MS. EVANS: If I might just respond


           25              to that briefly, though.  The $90,000 loan






            1              which, of course, which will become a grant


            2              I'm sure you know after the creation of


            3              three full-time positions, uses equipment as


            4              the collateral for the loan.  However, there


            5              is no equipment at this point, the loan


            6              would enable the purchase of that equipment


            7              and then, of course, when the loan is


            8              forgiven and becomes a grant then the


            9              equipment effectively becomes owned by ECTV.


           10                      MR. MUNCHAK:  But, Mrs. Evans, in


           11              the proposal itself, in the budget, there is


           12              money for painting, electrical, wiring, and


           13              walls.


           14                      MS. EVANS: Yes.


           15                      MR. MUNCHAK: And I don't know the


           16              plans, but if ECTV is given this money they


           17              have the right to pay the contractors,


           18              electricians or whatever --


           19                      MS. EVANS: Yes.


           20                      MR. MUNCHAK: -- to remodel the


           21              studio because you are giving that -- you


           22              are not restricting just equipment.  So,


           23              again, I don't know the cost, I think it was


           24              $32,000 the original estimate for repairing


           25              the studio.






            1                      MS. EVANS: Yes.


            2                      MR. MUNCHAK: So, theoretically 1/3


            3              of that 90 would go towards remodeling and


            4              it's not an asset of the city.  So, all I'm


            5              saying is where is the private money


            6              involved in this thing?


            7                      MS. EVANS: Well, I agree.


            8                      MR. MUNCHAK:  I was on the telethon


            9              and I believe some of you up there were on


           10              the telethon trying to raise money on the


           11              phone and making a commercial for 61


           12              scraping and you can just imagine if you


           13              gave Channel 61 $187,000 a year they could


           14              get all of the high tech equipment, keep the


           15              good people they had and such and such, but


           16              you understand where I'm coming from.


           17                      MS. EVANS: Absolutely, and that's


           18              why last week as one of the 16 concerns I


           19              posed about ECTV one involved exactly what


           20              you are saying.  I requested a list of


           21              donors and private sponsors who would


           22              provide pledges or donations to ECTV so that


           23              we could get a handle on the type of their


           24              financial status and the type of funding


           25              that they hopefully would be receiving in






            1              addition to this gift from the city.


            2                      MR. MUNCHAK: And if I might digress,


            3              you reminded me of something, if I may, I'm


            4              taking up so much time I apologize, but on


            5              the question that was asked of Mrs. Gatelli


            6              about Channel 61 and council's contribution,


            7              we as Commissioners did, all three of us, we


            8              budgeted $25,000 and we are giving them 1/12


            9              every month, 1/12 of the 25 to Channel 61 to


           10              help them operate.  I don't know your


           11              financial status other than that I know you


           12              approved some money, but I agree it


           13              shouldn't be the entire amount go all at


           14              once because you know if they are going to


           15              be there in August or September, but perhaps


           16              you would consider a pro rata share of that


           17              budgeted amount while they are still acting.


           18              Okay?


           19                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Commissioner.


           20              Bill Jackowitz.


           21                      MR. JACKOWITZ: Bill Jackowitz,


           22              resident of South Scranton, member of the


           23              Taxpayers' Association.  Tuesday, 3 June,


           24              2008, Councilwoman Gatelli, finance


           25              chairperson for the city council by default






            1              states she had a conversation with Mayor


            2              Chris Doherty to express a concern about a


            3              plan the administration has to borrow $11


            4              million to help retire a previously loan and


            5              plug holes in this year's budget.  By the


            6              way, the budget that then President Gatelli


            7              approved and voted in favor of.  Now, she is


            8              expressing concerns a little too late.


            9                      The concerns should have been


           10              expressed last year before she voted to


           11              approve the budget which was millions of


           12              dollars short.  I'm hopeful that something


           13              can be worked out because I'm against


           14              anymore borrowing.  You should be working on


           15              a budget and ways to increase revenue in the


           16              City of Scranton.  This is your job whether


           17              you like it or not.


           18                      Also, Councilwoman Gatelli, you were


           19              against any more borrowing in 2007, but yet


           20              you voted to borrow in 2007.  Also, whatever


           21              happened to the nonprofits helping the city


           22              out?  I attended those meetings, I know what


           23              happened, the mayor did not agree.


           24              Thursday, 5 June, 2008, Councilwoman Gatelli


           25              is now talking about subpoena for Ken






            1              McDowell.  Councilwoman, why did you not


            2              support subpoenas in 2006, 2007, when they


            3              actually could have eased some of the pain


            4              on taxpayers?  Councilwoman Gatelli stated


            5              Mr. McDowell is an elected official who


            6              should answer questions the taxpayers have.


            7                   Councilwoman Gatelli, when Mr. McDowell


            8              was a tax collector, was he not an elected


            9              official then?  Why was he not required to


           10              answer taxpayers' questions then?


           11                      Furthermore, why you are not


           12              required to answer taxpayers' questions or


           13              President McGoff not required to answer


           14              taxpayers' questions.  You both are elected


           15              official.


           16                      Then Councilwoman Fanucci said she,


           17              too, hopes Mr. Doherty finds an alternative


           18              with speculation that would leave five


           19              million of the 12.2 million found in the tax


           20              office accounts belongs to the city.


           21                   Councilwoman Fanucci said it is


           22              possible a deal could be worked out in which


           23              the city could receive the money long before


           24              a planned forensic audit of the tax office


           25              is completed.






            1                      We must remember that Councilwoman


            2              Fanucci also voted in favor the budget which


            3              was millions of dollars short.  Also, she


            4              did not recommend any ways in which the city


            5              can raise revenue except voting to raise


            6              taxes on the citizens.  Councilwoman


            7              Fanucci, what makes you think that a special


            8              waiver would be granted for the City of


            9              Scranton to get the 5 million from the tax


           10              office before the audit is completed?  Do


           11              you know for the certain that 5 million is


           12              due the city, if so, can you tell the


           13              citizens during motions what proof you have


           14              of this.  It sounds to me like $5 million of


           15              visions and dreams.  Also, possibly can you


           16              elaborate on some of your ideas and how to


           17              raise revenues and not taxes.


           18                      President McGoff, you also voted in


           19              favor of the budget which was millions of


           20              dollars short.  I hope you also will


           21              elaborate on your ideas and recommendations


           22              to solve the shortfall and proposed


           23              borrowing.  Friday, 6 June, 2008, President


           24              McGoff stated he was aware of the law


           25              requiring annual reports from the tax






            1              office.  Ignorance is no excuse.  Speakers


            2              have brought up problems in the tax office


            3              for at least two years, but then again we


            4              know that some council members do not listen


            5              to or understand what some speakers are


            6              saying.  City council have been aware, yes,


            7              Mr. President.


            8                      Mayor Doherty stated, "Am I supposed


            9              to know every law?"


           10                      Yes, if you are raising taxes and


           11              borrowing more money causing a bigger


           12              financial burden on the citizens of your


           13              community.  I can't say I was aware of


           14              reporting requirements, Councilwoman Fanucci


           15              said, of course, I should have been aware.


           16              Too late, Councilwoman Fanucci.  When you


           17              vote for a tax increase and borrowing you


           18              should be aware of everything.  Ignorance is


           19              no excuse.


           20                      Mr. Courtright said he couldn't


           21              explain why he and other council members


           22              weren't aware of the law requiring reports.


           23              I will explain it.  You do not take the time


           24              to research the law.  At least you did not


           25              vote for the tax increase or borrowing.






            1              Councilwoman Evans you are right, oversight


            2              of the city's day-to-day finances is the


            3              mayor's responsibility, but he was too busy


            4              campaigning for Hilary.  At least


            5              Councilwoman Evans did not vote for the tax


            6              increase or borrowing here.


            7                      In light of the fact that council


            8              admits to not being up on the laws, summer


            9              vacation should be cancelled and the work of


           10              the people should come first.  Possibly the


           11              next time a budget meeting is scheduled all


           12              five elected council members will attend,


           13              not just three.  Remember, citizens and


           14              taxpayers, it is not what a politician says


           15              it is how they vote that matters.


           16                      Just look at the voting record of


           17              the Doherty Three, hire taxes, increased


           18              borrowing, no financing for Channel 61,


           19              passing budgets that have million dollar


           20              shortfalls, given way OECD money to friends


           21              and backers including Mr. Darcy and


           22              Mr. Balton who has state liens against them,


           23              ignoring the concerns of the firefighters to


           24              support the friend.  I have no vote but I


           25              have a voice.  The three R's, respect for






            1              yourself, respect for others and


            2              responsibility for your actions.  Legion on


            3              of doom.  Fair, honest and open government.


            4                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you,


            5              Mr. Jackowitz.  Bob Bolus.


            6                      MR. BOLUS:  Morning, Council, Bob


            7              Bolus, Scranton.  On 6-F I don't think there


            8              is much more than I can add that A.J.


            9              hasn't already put on the table.  I think


           10              you need it do due diligence, which have


           11              not, to this contract.  I direct my comments


           12              to Judy because I understand Mr. McGoff and


           13              Sherry will go with Chris Doherty.  I


           14              believe you need to really take a hard look


           15              with ECTV, with your personal issues with


           16              Pilchesky or whatever it is or aside or


           17              think that he creates or he controls it, he


           18              doesn't.  He doesn't control me, he doesn't


           19              control other people that come here and


           20              speak on issues in the City of Scranton.  He


           21              may control a handful of people that go to a


           22              website and think they're heroes, that is


           23              their choice, but our choice is we elected


           24              you people to represent us and this contract


           25              is wrong.






            1                      We are giving a free give away to


            2              the city, it's already proven it's


            3              mismanagement, it's disfunctional and I have


            4              supported 61 from day one, I have held


            5              fundraisers for it, does that mean I'm


            6              someone different that I am out there doing


            7              something different for a station that I


            8              believe free speech to the people.  It's


            9              unedited, what we say here, what you say


           10              there is done.  It's not cut, it's not


           11              edited, it's not censored, it's here.  Why


           12              are you changing it?  Because Chris Doherty


           13              has three people that wants to do his


           14              bidding to suppress what happens in this


           15              city and you can't allow that and that's why


           16              I directed it to you, Judy, that's why I'm


           17              here today.  You cannot join with these two


           18              and go against us and in the city, and


           19              that's not just a few people here I'm not


           20              concerned about, I'm talking about everyone


           21              in the city and outside of this city that


           22              gets this information and they get the


           23              truth.


           24                      This ECTV is not ready to take over,


           25              it's just a political game at our expense






            1              and something for nothing.  They don't have


            2              the money, they don't have the


            3              collateralization and they want us to give


            4              them something, you need to read that


            5              contract.  Table this, vote with the other


            6              two, it's in your heart, it's in your


            7              judgment to do what's right for the people


            8              in this city and I believe A.J. laid it


            9              right on the table so I won't go on it any


           10              longer.


           11                      What I would like to do is


           12              congratulate young Doug Miller, Ian and the


           13              other kids that came here, kids that were


           14              chased out of here because of some people in


           15              the gallery.


           16                      MR. MCGOFF: Please, Mr. Bolus.


           17                      MR. BOLUS: Mr. McGoff, I'll handle


           18              my own meeting today, if I got comments to


           19              day, please, I don't want to get


           20              argumentative today.  We have been attacked


           21              on a website just like Judy and everybody


           22              else.  They have kids have been criticized


           23              publically by these people and it annoyed


           24              me.  It were their children they wouldn't


           25              stand here and allow it to happen.  These






            1              kids have parents, they have friends, and


            2              I'm here to defend these kids.  I'm here to


            3              defend what they stood up to do and this


            4              council should do the same thing.  When


            5              people come criticize them they are giving


            6              their freedom of speech.  I'm exercising my


            7              free speech.


            8                      They have mentioned Doug's name,


            9              they have mentioned my name here, that's


           10              fine, well, I'm going to mention them


           11              because I'll take their challenge day in and


           12              day out.  I have saw these kids move


           13              forward, I have seen them grow up, I have


           14              seen the adults here regress from adulthood


           15              to childhood rather than support a city and


           16              kids going somewhere they are demeaning,


           17              they are negative, and it's wrong.


           18                      Doug's mom is here, she should be


           19              congratulated to support her kid, to see


           20              Ian.  They work jobs yet they come here and


           21              they represent the city just as you to.


           22              These people represent themselves, they


           23              represent superficial issues sometimes and


           24              other times they represent issues that are


           25              meaningful here, but when you start






            1              degrading and chastising kids I'll stand up


            2              for them and I don't want to be


            3              argumentative, but I will address them and


            4              any issues they have they know where to find


            5              me.


            6                      What I'd like to do, Doug, I'd like


            7              to give you this.  This was in the Scranton


            8              Times, I guess I would call it your page of


            9              honor because when the editorial page and


           10              the Scranton Times gives you something you


           11              must have earned it somehow.  I could only


           12              say, thank the people that got you here.


           13              Thank you.


           14                      MR. MCGOFF:  Thank you, Mr. Bolus.


           15                      MR. BOLUS: Put that on your wall for


           16              your future and, remember, no matter what


           17              people say believe in Scranton and it's


           18              people.  Don't let a few people discourage


           19              you or Ian or any other kid that wants to


           20              join this council and this council should


           21              support it that come here and help them


           22              grow.  It's our duty as citizens and adults


           23              to do that.  Thank you.


           24                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr. Bolus.


           25              Jim Stucker.






            1                      MR. STUCKER: Jim Stucker.  How you


            2              doing, Mr. Courtright, and everybody else.


            3                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Hi, Jim.


            4                      MR. STUCKER: Hi.  I had a note, I


            5              was down at the courthouse yesterday that


            6              said that --


            7                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  I can't hear you


            8              Jim.


            9                      MR. STUCKER:  This guy gave me a


           10              letter, a paper, it's on your desk there in


           11              front of you.


           12                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Oh, with the --


           13              with the crazy cats, the wild cats?


           14                      MR. STUCKER: Yeah.


           15                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Okay I got that.


           16              You didn't give me an address though, I need


           17              an address.  You can't just tell me Main


           18              Avenue.


           19                      MR. STUCKER: He wrote it down.


           20                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Well, you didn't


           21              write and address down, you just said Main


           22              Avenue, you got to give me an address, all


           23              right?


           24                      MR. STUCKER:  Okay, and over by that


           25              old school up by that light there,






            1              Greenridge, remember that day you stopped


            2              there?


            3                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Yeah.


            4                      MR. STUCKER:  Well, there is a --


            5              the city ain't doing the gras anymore.


            6                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  The city doesn't


            7              own that, Jim.


            8                      MR. STUCKER: Well, they do the


            9              grass, they cut the grass.  And there is a


           10              guy on Oak Street, I don't know his name,


           11              but he has bar on Oak Street, and he told me


           12              to go around the tour, around the thing here


           13              in the corner of the field and cut the


           14              grass, so and I work for Mr. Jelly and Mr.


           15              Jelly wants to know can you get somebody


           16              over there to fill a couple of holes in


           17              along the drive, in Jelly's parking lot?


           18                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Mr. Who?


           19                      MR. STUCKER: Jelly.  Jelly.


           20                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Mr. Jelly?


           21                      MR. STUCKER: Yeah, on the corner of


           22              the road going into the parking lot there is


           23              a big hole there.


           24                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Again, Jim, give me


           25              some kind of an address and we we'll see if






            1              we can't help him out.


            2                      MR. STUCKER: It's right on


            3              Greenridge, not Greenridge, coming down the


            4              hill, straight down you go towards right an


            5              around the corner by my Schooner's --


            6              Ruddy's bar, right around the corner by


            7              Ruddy's bar.


            8                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Jilly's you are


            9              talking about, Jilly's Restaurant?


           10                      MR. STUCKER: Yeah.


           11                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Oh, okay, I got you.


           12              We'll help you out there.


           13                      MR. STUCKER: And a lot of people


           14              told me, I don't know who it was, Pat told


           15              me you said something about the scooter, Pat


           16              told me yesterday, the other night about it.


           17                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Jim, the scooter is


           18              gone, Buddy.  I don't think you are going to


           19              see it again.  Gone.  Okay?


           20                      MR. STUCKER:  Yeah, at Pat told me


           21              you were donating one?


           22                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I'm going to donate?


           23                      MR. STUCKER: I don't know how true


           24              it is.


           25                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I don't have a






            1              scooter for you, Jim, I'm sorry, I don't


            2              know what to tell you.


            3                      MR. STUCKER: Okay, what about that


            4              house on Greenridge Street on the front


            5              porch, I complained about that last month,


            6              are they going to clean that porch off or


            7              tear the house down, there's a lot of stuff


            8              and rats and stuff in there yet, I know


            9              there is.


           10                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I don't know, Jim.


           11                      MR. STUCKER:  And I mentioned it you


           12              last year about that house in Greenridge.


           13                      MR. COURTRIGHT: See, Jim, you got TS


           14              to give me addresses because -- -


           15                      MR. STUCKER: Right on Greenridge.


           16                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I know, but you


           17              can't just tell me Greenridge because there


           18              is lot of houses on Greenridge Street.


           19                      MR. STUCKER: Right next door to


           20              McGinty's.


           21                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  I'll drive-by and


           22              see if I can get an address there, all


           23              right?


           24                      MR. STUCKER:  And next door to us we


           25              have the dog barking again right next to






            1              East Street Bar, they are carrying on again


            2              there.


            3                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Okay.


            4                      MR. STUCKER: And can you maybe look


            5              for a place to me?  I talked to city council


            6              about it -- not city council --


            7              Courtright -- my payee, mental health, I


            8              talked to mental health my payee and she


            9              said she won't help me to get a place it's


           10              up to me and I live in John Doherty's


           11              building and there is no -- it used to be


           12              his office, turn around there is no shower,


           13              just a sink and a toilet, that's all that's


           14              in there.  And Courtright -- not Courtright,


           15              John Doherty told me he said he is going to


           16              give me a place or put a shower, it's too


           17              small for a shower.  I mean, there is


           18              nothing -- the room is small, it's not big.


           19              I need some -- I need something like two


           20              apartment, like a two-room apartment or


           21              something like that.


           22                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  I don't know what


           23              to say, Jim, maybe can you go to the Housing


           24              Authority and ask them if they can --


           25                      MR. STUCKER: I had a police reports,






            1              I have a county jail reports and they won't


            2              get me in there.


            3                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I don't know what to


            4              tell you, Jim, you went to the Housing


            5              Authority and asked them?


            6                      MR. STUCKER:  Yeah.


            7                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  I thought you said


            8              were moving to Mulberry Street or Adams


            9              Avenue?


           10                      MR. STUCKER: Well, I don't know.  I


           11              didn't check -- I didn't check that out.


           12                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Yeah, ask the


           13              Housing Authority maybe they can help you.


           14              I don't have an apartment.


           15                      MR. STUCKER: I went to the Housing


           16              Authority and they said they can't do it,


           17              they won't give me a place because I have


           18              too much police reports.


           19                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Okay.  All right,


           20              Jim.


           21                      MR. STUCKER: Okay, on Market Street


           22              right by the TV --  by t he laundry mat,


           23              they are still parking there, they are still


           24              parking there by the laundry mat and then


           25              going down the hill.






            1                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  We are working on


            2              it, Jim.


            3                      MR. STUCKER: Last week there was a


            4              brand new car there and I was afraid


            5              somebody is going to hit it.


            6                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Okay.


            7                      MR. STUCKER:  They park on that hill


            8              all the time right by the laundry mat.


            9                      MR. MCGOFF: All right.  Thank you,


           10              Mr. Stucker.


           11                      MR. STUCKER:  And we need something


           12              done with that, put signs up or something


           13              up, Mr. McGoff.


           14                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.


           15                      MR. STUCKER: The state owns it.  All


           16              right?


           17                      MR. MCGOFF:  Thank you very much,


           18              Mr. Stucker.


           19                      MR. STUCKER: Thank you.


           20                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.  Jack Powell.


           21                      MR. POWELL:  Jack Powell, Scranton


           22              resident.  Excuse the attire, I forget that


           23              it was this morning and not tonight.  All I


           24              wanted to address is that we did have a


           25              meeting with Mr. Skantos in regards to






            1              Kesyer Terrace.  We did keep it at a minimum


            2              as you said as to not intimidate him.  There


            3              was eight of us, didn't really accomplish a


            4              lot, but we did find out that after some


            5              members of council had their walk through he


            6              bought the corner property off himself, so


            7              whatever that entails we don't know, and we


            8              have been informed that they are going to


            9              become rentals.  So, Mrs. Gatelli or Ms.


           10              Gatelli, as you are aware we hope this


           11              isn't, as you see throughout the city has


           12              happened in the past, we have gone from


           13              quaint little shops to now Townhouses to


           14              rentals and I know there is other places


           15              that this is happening in the past


           16              throughout the city.


           17                      We are just here to say that maybe


           18              we are going to have another meeting coming


           19              up, we just had another meeting with the


           20              developer last week and to discuss what he


           21              told us he is going to do for the people


           22              that are there and also as far as the


           23              rentals, and I don't know how you are going


           24              to take it being a neighbor, but, I mean,


           25              you are putting multiple units in, and you






            1              have been affiliated in the past with the


            2              city and you have seen what's occurred so we


            3              are just hoping, I don't know what the


            4              outcome is going to be, but we are in there


            5              for the long haul, so I'm sure we will back


            6              to talk to you and that's all I have to say


            7              at this point and we'd appreciate the


            8              support from everyone.  Like I said, he has


            9              now bought the property out for himself so


           10              I'm sure he is going to be the owner out of


           11              the corporation to the individual.


           12                      MS. GATELLI:  Has he done any other


           13              repairs, Jack?


           14                      MR. POWELL:  Yes, he has.  He has.


           15              They have some guys back there with machines


           16              and worked on things, but we had an


           17              itinerary that they give him last Thursday


           18              night, it was an exciting night.


           19                      MS. GATELLI: I bet.


           20                      MR. POWELL:  Thank you very much.


           21                      MS. EVANS: Please keep us updated,


           22              Mr. Powell.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr. Powell.


           24                      MS. O'MALLEY: Barbara O'Malley,


           25              Scranton resident, Scranton Today board






            1              member, here to speak on 7-A.  The $90,000


            2              funding of ECTV that is on today's agenda


            3              enables Mayor Doherty to eliminate what he


            4              perceives as a political enemy, Scranton


            5              Today.  As Annette Palugis told council last


            6              week, Mr. Doherty is no fan of Scranton


            7              Today, and this takeover is really no


            8              surprise.


            9                      The emergence of ECTV, as flawed as


           10              the evidence shows it is, has become the


           11              mayor's perfect storm.  ECTV is a vehicle by


           12              which the mayor can remove Scranton Today


           13              without alarming the public.  The mayor's


           14              handpicked selection committee chose ECTV as


           15              the operator for Channel 61 providing him


           16              with perfect political cover, so now we have


           17              what Mrs. Fanucci so aptly called at last


           18              week's council meeting they mayor's deal.


           19                   The mayor is banking on the premise


           20              that the public will not care which


           21              organization is behind the cameras as long


           22              as the meetings are still broadcast.


           23              Mr. McGoff calmed the viewer's fears by


           24              assuring them that 61 will stay be here.


           25              Not to worry, everything will be okay.  The






            1              public reassured 61 won't go dark is lulled


            2              back into complacency.  No one except those


            3              council malcontents, who really don't matter


            4              anyhow, will care what happens.  The public


            5              will not connect the political dots and see


            6              that this is really a hostile takeover being


            7              paid for with public money.


            8                      The public will not ask why we need


            9              a new TV station when Scranton Today has


           10              televised government meetings and more for


           11              over nine years.  The public will not ask


           12              why in this time of budget deficits,


           13              borrowing, tax increases and rising costs on


           14              all fronts is council spending $90,000 on a


           15              duplicate service.  The public will not ask


           16              why their tax dollars are paying for a


           17              Cadillac Escalade when a Chevy will get them


           18              to the same place at half the cost.


           19                      The powers that be are so confident


           20              that the money will be approved that the


           21              work at ECTV studios is proceeding at a fast


           22              and furious pace to meet the mayor's July 1


           23              deadline.  This is in spite of a pending


           24              zoning appeal and an ethic's complaint.


           25              John Darcy, ECTV's cofounder is overseeing






            1              the project at 933 Prescott Avenue.  The


            2              building, which is owned by Mr. Darcy's


            3              employer, is being improved with new


            4              electrical services, walls, painting, later


            5              to be paid for with the $90,000.  Again, the


            6              mayor is counting on the public not to


            7              connect the political dots.


            8                      The $90,000 will be turned over to


            9              ECTV board president, John Darcy, who


           10              represents a very sketchy organization.  The


           11              organization's mastermind cofounder Chris


           12              Balton is no longer there.  Mr. Darcy stated


           13              that Mr. Balton did not advise him of the


           14              reason why he left.  Mr. Darcy says, "We


           15              will carry on."


           16                      We?  Mr. Darcy is a full-time


           17              employee of the Carlisle Group and we can


           18              assume he is planning on keeping his day


           19              job.  The other we is a tech person who has


           20              been elevated to the position of executive


           21              director since Mr. Balton's departure.  ECTV


           22              reportedly had five board members.  When I


           23              contacted two of them they said they aren't


           24              and never were on the board.  Another one


           25              didn't know Balton had left and expressed






            1              great concern, so we are down to three board


            2              members, one uninformed, I don't know about


            3              the other two.


            4                      Does this sound like a stable


            5              organization?  I think not.  Would any bank


            6              loan ECTV money?  Again, the mayor is


            7              counting on the public not to connect the


            8              political dots.  By funding this sham


            9              operation with $90,000 which the executive


           10              director says is just a start, council is


           11              also underestimating the public's


           12              intelligence.  Just give them a meeting and


           13              neither the price tag nor the operator will


           14              matter, but Scranton Today has worked hard,


           15              I have been here for nine years, played


           16              fair, didn't play politics, been there for


           17              the public for nine years and ultimately


           18              lost the deal because the deck was stacked


           19              against them.  Thank you.


           20                      MR. MCGOFF:  Thank you, Mrs.


           21              O'Malley.  Francis Tyson.


           22                      MR. TYSON: My name is Francis Tyson,


           23              I'm a resident of Scranton.  Good morning,


           24              Mr. President, council members, ladies and


           25              gentlemen and your viewing audience.  We






            1              would like to announce the American flag


            2              Committee we are going to again this year


            3              have our Fourth of July event up in Nay Aug


            4              Park as we do annually.  It's going to be on


            5              Friday, of course, the Fourth of July.  We


            6              will start off at 10:30 in the morning, we


            7              start off with a band concert.  The band


            8              concert will then be followed by our


            9              ceremony.  We will have the blessing of the


           10              flag, we will have the parade of flags, we


           11              will have the salute to the flag.  We will


           12              also have a speaker to speak a few short


           13              minutes and then immediately after that


           14              again have a band concert.


           15                      We ask everyone in the audience to


           16              please attend.  If you plan on coming, we


           17              wish you might want to consider bringing a


           18              comfortable folding chair with you.  There


           19              is ample room and there is plenty of parking


           20              and we ask you to please bring your children


           21              and your grandchildren.  This is a great


           22              patriotic event and this shows our


           23              youngsters how adults celebrate a patriotic


           24              holiday, so if you can make it on the Fourth


           25              of July there is plenty of parking.  Are






            1              there any questions for us?  None?  Thank


            2              you.


            3                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr. Tyson.


            4              Dave Dobson.


            5                      MR. DOBSON: Good morning, Council,


            6              Dave Dobson, resident of Scranton, Taxpayer


            7              Association associate.  Once again I am here


            8              to propose keeping Scranton Today as our


            9              public access provider on Channel 61.


           10              Completely equipping a new provider is cost


           11              ineffective and may result in a destruction


           12              coverage.  Channel 61 has not endorsed any


           13              candidate for office or the Scranton Today


           14              organization.  It has not been implicated in


           15              any misappropriation of funding, works with


           16              a force of volunteers, is not beholding to


           17              any political parties, has lacked funds to


           18              run a station due to lack of funds, lost


           19              it's employees, and I see a great deal of


           20              lost opportunities on all sides of Scranton


           21              for publicity in this equation.


           22                      Number one, Steamtown, Mine Tour,


           23              Trolley museum, iron furnaces, not a city


           24              expense, however, unadvertised assets of


           25              great importance.  It serves no purpose to






            1              run to council appropriations as in 7-A.


            2              Authorities are not very Democratic methods


            3              of deciding issues as in the issue with


            4              Scranton Today.  In my opinion subscribers


            5              of Comcast are the only parties that should


            6              have a vote ultimately pay the bill.  Why


            7              couldn't we have Comcast pull their


            8              subscribers in an effort to decide who


            9              should run Channel 61?


           10                      My only concern is public access TV


           11              is not beholding to anyone, just document


           12              political events as they occur.  Scranton


           13              has many, as all cities has believe it or


           14              not potentially greener than the suburbs.


           15              Both policies are antiquated by our


           16              environmental and energy woes.  We need to


           17              refocus our policies, population density


           18              mass transit and local jobs can be attained


           19              by our large Brownfields being converted to


           20              industrial space.


           21                      Country development is fuel


           22              insufficient and pollutes, a particular


           23              siting is a Waverly Industrial Park, look at


           24              all of the polluted wells and so forth that


           25              we have.  We need liveable cities and






            1              substantial jobs, let's get progressive.


            2              Thank you, and have a good morning.


            3                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr. Dobson.


            4              Sam Patilla.


            5                      MR. PATILLA: Good afternoon,


            6              Councilman Courtright.  My name is Sam


            7              Patilla, city resident, member of the


            8              Scranton/Lackawanna County Taxpayers'


            9              Association.  In light of many of the things


           10              that have been addressed by speakers and


           11              council today and because I personally have


           12              overheard Mrs. Gatelli state at these


           13              meetings that she often relies on the


           14              information relies on information provided


           15              by the city solicitor, Mr. Minora, I as


           16              taxpayer and citizen and resident of the


           17              city request that any information, be it


           18              through marriage or be it through birth


           19              showing a connection between our city


           20              solicitor and the Darcys that are connected


           21              with ECTV be investigated.


           22                      MR. MCGOFF: Mr. Minora answered


           23              that.


           24                      MR. PATILLA: Most of -- most of what


           25              I have to say entails ECTV, I have been






            1              speaking about it from the beginning.  In


            2              light of what the county commissioner


            3              stated, and the others, the fact that there


            4              is no private funding available, I request


            5              from my elected officials that any possible


            6              liens, be it on a local, state or federal


            7              level against anybody affiliated with ECTV


            8              be investigated.


            9                      Now, I have stated time and time


           10              again at this forum that I do not appreciate


           11              monies being taken from the HOME Program or


           12              the Emergency Shelter Program to finance


           13              what I deem to be government backed


           14              projects.  Any time somebody goes out to buy


           15              a home, purchase a home or a vehicle and a


           16              cosigner is needed, once that cosigner


           17              changes their mind and pulls out any deal,


           18              that loan is null and void, okay?  The bank


           19              refuses to grant those funds if the cosigner


           20              is not there.  With Mr. Balton and the young


           21              lady removing themselves from ECTV their


           22              whole project should be canned.  The backers


           23              who initially submitted the proposal aren't


           24              there anymore and most of what -- and most


           25              of the agreements that I feel that were made






            1              on behalf ECTV relied heavily on their


            2              information, so if they are no longer in the


            3              picture our money should be no longer in the


            4              picture as taxpayers.  Why should we fund


            5              what's evident as a governmental takeover of


            6              public access television?  Why should money


            7              be taken from our taxpaying dollars to


            8              silence the speakers here at city council


            9              and to silence the members of the


           10              Scranton/Lackawanna County Taxpayers'


           11              Association, to silence anybody that doesn't


           12              agree with this administration?


           13                      You know, as I stated before, you


           14              come to me for a loan, you don't have any


           15              collateral, you won't get a loan.  You are


           16              just giving our money to an organization


           17              backed by Christopher Doherty and that's it


           18              in a nutshell.  They have no money, they


           19              bring nothing to the table and I stated in


           20              this in the past.  They bring nothing to the


           21              table.  You couldn't find $20,000 to give to


           22              Scranton Today and as I stated before,


           23              without Scranton Today we don't need Channel


           24              61.  I don't have Comcast anyway so it


           25              really doesn't effect me one way or the






            1              other, you know, but why give our money to


            2              an agency that's not prepared to provide


            3              services we as taxpayers require and


            4              request?  It is our money.  I'm deeply


            5              offended every time I hear a city public


            6              employee state that they do not answer to


            7              the people that pay their salaries.


            8                      Mr.  Minora might work for city


            9              council, but he gets paid by the taxpayers,


           10              so they are his boss.  I agree that maybe


           11              the way, you know, that comment was worded


           12              it could have been reworded a different way,


           13              this is why I request of my elected


           14              officials that they pursue that matter and


           15              provide me with any information being it


           16              through birth or marriage if Mr. Minora is


           17              related to anybody associated with ECTV


           18              because you do work for me.


           19                      MR. MCGOFF: Once again, he answered


           20              that question.


           21                      MR. PATILLA: I'm not done.  This is


           22              my time.  You have plenty of time to say


           23              whatever you want to say, Mr. McGoff.  You


           24              have plenty of time after I walk away from


           25              this podium.  You know, we bring you






            1              information and everyday that information is


            2              proven to be factual.  You might have


            3              differences of opinions or agreements with


            4              certain people that come to this podium, Joe


            5              Pilcheski or Daniel Hubbard.  As a former


            6              Marine, I'll get in a foxhole with those


            7              guys any day of the week because they have


            8              shown that they are here for the taxpayers


            9              and not for any personal agenda.


           10                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr. Patilla.


           11              Are there any other speakers?


           12                      MR. ELLMAN: Ronnie Ellman,


           13              homeowner, taxpayer.  I wasn't going to come


           14              up here tonight that's why I didn't sign the


           15              sheet now I'm going to get a ticket because


           16              I'm up here, my meter was over 50, so I'll


           17              be contributing.  Mr. McGoff --


           18                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.


           19                      MR. ELLMAN: -- I have a question for


           20              you and I don't mean it to be offensive or


           21              anything, but as our eyes and ears to the


           22              mayor's office I was wondering if he had a


           23              comment about Mr. Lyman running against him


           24              in the fall?


           25                      MR. MCGOFF: He hasn't said anything






            1              to me about the opposition candidate.


            2                      MR. ELLMAN: Well, evidently the


            3              people in Duryea or wherever he was thinks


            4              he's a shoe-in, that's why I was wondering.


            5              What I was wondering, I saw Friday in the


            6              paper "C" over here about taken this


            7              $241,000 from Friendship House for streets,


            8              Friendship House gets contribution and


            9              grants from the whole state, how can we take


           10              money from them to use on our streets?  Is


           11              there anything --


           12                      MS. GATELLI:  Would you like the


           13              answer, Mr. Ellman?


           14                      MR. ELLMAN: Yes.


           15                      MS. GATELLI:  They are not ready for


           16              their project for several years.


           17                      MR. ELLMAN: Several years.


           18                      MS. GATELLI:  They are not ready for


           19              that project.  They notified us.


           20                      MR. ELLMAN: It also states that they


           21              are going to use if for curbcuts, they did


           22              all of that, what is it, four or five years


           23              ago in the whole city and how many curbs can


           24              you cut, you know?  There is cars parked on


           25              sidewalks so you can't use the sidewalks






            1              anyway if you are in a wheelchair.  There is


            2              no enforcement of the traffic laws or


            3              whatever that is and on Parker Street which


            4              I guess is the 2,500 Block of North Main,


            5              there's a big house, there must be five or


            6              six cars continually parked there and before


            7              my house burned I used to see the little


            8              kids, the preschoolers or whatever that gets


            9              on the bus, they are in the street because


           10              of cars parked there and I don't think


           11              anything has ever been done.  The lady with


           12              the little paddle, you know, told me she has


           13              complained and they won't remove them.


           14                      You know who approves the curb cuts


           15              and the street cuts?  I complained about a


           16              street cut, you know what they told me?


           17              That whoever constructed it approves their


           18              own work.  This is ridiculous.  That's why


           19              the streets are in such terrible condition I


           20              suppose, you know, when you approve your own


           21              work like when the water company or


           22              something tears up the city streets.


           23                      MS. GATELLI: No, there is a pave


           24              cuts inspector, Mr. Ellman.  There is an


           25              inspector to inspect those pave cuts.  If






            1              you have any we will report them.


            2                      MR. ELLMAN:  I'm not being


            3              argumentative, they had too much calcium or


            4              something when they poured the cut in for


            5              the curb cut at my house and the man told


            6              me, you know, like I said, this was four or


            7              five years ago, I said, "It's all falling


            8              apart," and he told me there is nobody


            9              approves it except the people that did the


           10              work are the ones that approve it.  I said,


           11              "Well, it's falling apart," at least


           12              somebody paid for it, you know, with our


           13              money.


           14                      But, I still don't understand about


           15              how we can take this money from Friendship


           16              House, I don't care how far in the future it


           17              is.  If the block grant money had been used


           18              to pave the streets to start with instead of


           19              tearing down apartments, you know, for


           20              wealthy business owners we would probably


           21              have a lot of money for the streets.


           22                   Everything is misappropriated around


           23              here and then it goes back, you say, where


           24              is our money?  Well, it's in the park.  You


           25              know, the park looks like nice, but Mr.






            1              Burke can't tell people to come here because


            2              we've got a park, but that seems to be the


            3              only thing he has to talk about where the


            4              money went.  It's just such a waste, you


            5              know, the -- don't get mad at me, but the


            6              mayor just doesn't seem to have the ability


            7              to run this city, he doesn't -- he lacks the


            8              essentials to understand accounting and


            9              everything.  How can we be in a mess like


           10              this?


           11                      You know, now we are borrowing more


           12              to give to a company that's -- the owner is


           13              in the construction business or something,


           14              he doesn't know nothing.  I probably know as


           15              much about running the TV cameras as he


           16              does.  This is all wrong.  Something has


           17              just got to be done.  We are probably the


           18              worst city financially in the whole country.


           19              There is countries that don't own as much


           20              money as we do, you know?  Thank you.


           21                      MR. MCGOFF:  Thank you, Mr. Ellman.


           22                      MS. SCHUMACHER:  Marie Schumacher,


           23              resident and member of the taxpayers' group.


           24              Mrs. Gatelli, as finance chair during


           25              motions would you please share the number of






            1              contacts you have made with Mr. Doherty and


            2              his cabinet to expedite the responses


            3              requested by council's auditor back in


            4              February?


            5                      Regarding 5-G, why was this issue


            6              not addressed by planning or zoning if a


            7              20-foot right-of-way is required?  I rather


            8              suspect since the price of asphalt has


            9              escalated this is yet another gift to the


           10              brothers Pizano.  We taxpayers have already


           11              demolished structures for them, removed


           12              trees, leveled a lot, so why not spend more


           13              scarce paving funds for yet another gift and


           14              pave the alley for them, too.  The


           15              administrative code of the city says the


           16              capital budget should be received by council


           17              by the first of June.  I would like to know


           18              during motions whether that has been


           19              received.


           20                      On 7-B, why does only one park have


           21              an authority?  I think we should either do


           22              away with this authority or make it cover


           23              all parks.


           24                      Now, back to ECTV.  Has anyone seen


           25              an executed five-year less for Mr. Mansure






            1              to ECTV?  If not, what is to prevent the


            2              taxpayers' loss of investment for


            3              refurbishment of Mr. Mansure's tax free


            4              property if after a year Mr. Mansure decides


            5              to not renew the lease?


            6                      It was revealed last week that


            7              Mr. Darcy, ECTV president has sizable tax


            8              liens against him.  Had this transfer of


            9              funds truly been a loan and not a grant o r


           10              a gift the Commercial Industrial Section 108


           11              funding vehicle could have been used with


           12              one small exception.  HUD requires that 108


           13              loans go to those without tax liens, but, of


           14              course, Mayor Doherty and his three cohorts


           15              see no problem gifting tax delinquent


           16              individuals with $90,000.  What a slap in


           17              the face to all of those elderly who are


           18              being squeezed out of the homes they have


           19              faithfully paid taxes for decade after


           20              decade.


           21                      Even the Grow Scranton Fund from


           22              which the funds are being transferred would


           23              have required information such as a cash


           24              flow.  I doubt you have seen one of those


           25              for ECTV.






            1                      Earlier in the year council reported


            2              the city would own the expensive equipment


            3              ECTV needed to procure.  Now we find this,


            4              too, is part of the gift the mayor plans to


            5              give to ECTV with your help.  The ECTV


            6              proposal dedicated two and a quarter pages


            7              of qualifications of the talented


            8              Mr. Balton.  Has anyone checked during these


            9              past seven days to determine whether or not


           10              Mr. Balton is or is not an ECTV employee and


           11              if not why he left?


           12                      Finally, this creation of a new


           13              activity in the OECD budget makes for a


           14              substantial amendment according to OECD's


           15              published participation plan.  When a


           16              substantial amendment is proposed OECD will


           17              publish notice in the Scranton Times to give


           18              citizens an opportunity to comment.  In no


           19              case almost city council approve such


           20              legislation before 30 days have elapsed to


           21              ensure that citizens have an adequate


           22              opportunity to comment, so 6-F cannot be


           23              approved for at least 30 more days as OECD


           24              has yet to publish this change.  I certainly


           25              hope that those published participation






            1              plans are not just window dressing and that


            2              they will, in fact, be adhered to.


            3                      I would also like to know during


            4              motions how will the roughly $180,000.00 of


            5              lost operating budget revenue be replaced


            6              next year when the franchise fee is divided


            7              with ECTV 75 for the city and 25 for ECTV.


            8                   I would hope, new subject, that during


            9              motions Mr. Courtright will follow-up and


           10              inform us the results of a letter that was


           11              sent to Mr. Brazil regarding the disposition


           12              of the pothole machine.  Has that answer


           13              been received and if so could it be shared


           14              with the public during motions?


           15                      A few weeks ago I reported that


           16              permits for rental housing had been issued


           17              only for -- may I finish this up, only for 3


           18              percent of the rental properties.  Perhaps


           19              our finance chair and blight elimination


           20              proponent, Mrs. Gatelli, could share how


           21              this would be brought up to 100 percent


           22              during motions.  Thank you.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mrs.


           24              Schumacher.  Chris.


           25                      MR. SLEDENZSKI:  Hi, Billy.






            1                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Hi, Chris.


            2                      MR. SLEDENZSKI: Billy, there is a


            3              game out on the field Thursday night with


            4              the little league, first game at 5:30,


            5              second game is at 7:00, Bill.  Support the


            6              kids, Billy.  Thank you.


            7                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Okay, Chris.


            8                      MR. MCGOFF: Anyone else?  Thank you.


            9              Mrs. Evans.


           10                      MS. EVANS: Before I begin my


           11              comments I just want to address two things


           12              raised by Ms. Schumacher, number one,


           13              regarding the capital budget, that has not


           14              been presented to city council to date.  And


           15              with regard to the lease agreement secondly


           16              involving ECTV and Mr. Mansure, I have not


           17              seen any lease agreement.  I do not know


           18              that it exists.


           19                      Good morning, everyone.  Since our


           20              last council meeting of June 17, 2008, once


           21              again I have received countless e-mails and


           22              have had numerous conversations with city


           23              residents regarding the operation of Channel


           24              61 and 62.  As a result, I have done more


           25              homework on this matter and I have also






            1              carefully considered the comments made by my


            2              colleagues regarding ECTV, Scranton Today TV


            3              and the selection committee.  It appears


            4              that the RFP or request for proposals issued


            5              by the administration was not a low cost


            6              technically acceptable RFP.  Since the


            7              selection committee chose the highest


            8              bidder, ECTV, I assume this was a best value


            9              RFP.


           10                      A bidder can include other


           11              information and proposals beyond those


           12              included in the RFP, but the selection


           13              committee is not required to give


           14              consideration for the additional information


           15              since they were beyond those identified as


           16              necessary.


           17                      Now, thus, the question arises were


           18              all bidders compared based solely on the


           19              identical requirements and the answer lies


           20              with the selection committee.  The selection


           21              committee is required to document the


           22              ratings given to each of the bidders in


           23              order to justify the selection and avoid the


           24              appearance of favoritism.


           25                      Mr. McGoff supports ECTV, however,






            1              his statements last week that he knows this


            2              was an honest selection process because he


            3              knows the people on the committee are honest


            4              or noble is insufficient.  It's merely his


            5              opinion.  It would be best if he examined


            6              the committee's ratings as compared to the


            7              RFP criteria, reviewed the evaluation


            8              selection process and ultimately found the


            9              evaluations and ratings were appropriate or


           10              inappropriate.


           11                      Mr. McGoff also seemed to hint that


           12              the outstanding acquisitions should be


           13              pursued, I agree.  The most common business


           14              practice within government is to delay the


           15              final decision and loan until the issues are


           16              resolved.  Mrs. Fanucci appears to agree


           17              with the selection of ECTV because their


           18              proposal included greater coverage and more


           19              diversity.  However, weren't these the


           20              requirements of the RFP and if so how did


           21              each of the proposals from ECTV, Scranton


           22              Today TV and Northeastern Pennsylvania


           23              Public Access Project respond to these


           24              requirements?  You must prove that ECTV


           25              included the greatest coverage and






            1              diversity, particularly in light of the


            2              departure of it's executive director who


            3              drafted the proposal and created the


            4              submitted DVD.  Are the promises of ECTV


            5              then still feasible?


            6                      Austin Burke, Chamber of Commerce


            7              executive director appears to blame Channel


            8              61 and the council meetings for the lack of


            9              private industry interest in the Scranton


           10              area.  Rather, it is the taxation policy of


           11              the Scranton municipal government and the


           12              perceptions of unfair competitive bidding


           13              and favoritism within a good ole' boys


           14              network that dissuades industry interest in


           15              the Scranton area.


           16                      As for me and any implications that


           17              were made against me at last week's council


           18              meeting, I often find myself taking a


           19              position that differs from other council


           20              members.  In good faith I have tried


           21              repeatedly to understand how my colleagues


           22              reached their decisions and have tried to


           23              share the facts that lead to my decisions.


           24              I use the information available to me and


           25              seek other sources of the information that






            1              result in a process that is common to the


            2              auditing profession.  I have questioned


            3              management decisions.  I do so in order to


            4              fulfill my duties and responsibilities as a


            5              steward of the funds entrusted to me by the


            6              taxpayers.


            7                      My position on the issue is not an


            8              alliance with Scranton Today, rather, it is


            9              the same position I have repeatedly taken in


           10              the past, affordability, accountability, and


           11              fairness.  My decisions are not made in a


           12              vacuum.  I consider all ramifications and


           13              most importantly the impact my decision will


           14              make on the taxpayers and the financial


           15              status of Scranton.


           16                      As such, I am concerned with


           17              providing a good service at an affordable


           18              cost.  This management decision appears at


           19              the very least to ignore the affordability


           20              element common to all decision processes.


           21              Therefore, the decision to select ECTV


           22              should not be limited to the individual


           23              opinion of the best value proposal or the


           24              individuals who were chosen to sit on the


           25              committee, but on the evaluation criteria,






            1              the quality and fairness of the selection


            2              process and, of course, the cost.


            3                      In addition to the 16 concerns about


            4              the selection of ECTV I enumerated at last


            5              week's meeting I have three or more that


            6              pertains specifically to the Office of


            7              Economic and Community Development.  First,


            8              should OECD funds be used to drive tax


            9              exempt organizations out of a business; and


           10              should they be used to replace one tax


           11              exempt organization for another?  Where is


           12              the economic development if one simply


           13              replaces one organization with another?


           14                   Does this create new employment


           15              positions or conversely does this create


           16              unemployment at the same time?


           17                      Further, this action does not


           18              enhance service by increasing competition,


           19              but merely drives out an existing


           20              organization.  Could this be considered


           21              mismanage of public funds?


           22                      Second, OECD representatives have


           23              stated that all loan applicants are screened


           24              carefully to include any tax liens or


           25              delinquencies placed against an individual






            1              or a corporation or a business, an applicant


            2              with such a history would not receive


            3              approval from OECD and consequently


            4              legislation for a loan to this high risk


            5              business or individual would not be


            6              forwarded to council.


            7                      However, it was reported at the


            8              June 17, 2008, council meeting that the


            9              president and cofounder of ECTV has federal


           10              and state liens against him, and so I ask


           11              does OECD, indeed, conduct comprehensive


           12              financial screenings of all applicants?  If


           13              not, why not or does OECD conduct these


           14              screenings and approve loan applicants


           15              regardless of their financial history?


           16                   Either way, the Office of Economic and


           17              Community Development or OECD now appears


           18              more like the office of easy cash donations.


           19                   Third, according to OECD council


           20              members may not view any financial


           21              information regarding loan applicants until


           22              after they have approved a loan.  Since tax


           23              liens and litigations are a matter of public


           24              record why then it OECD not provide such


           25              information to council before it votes on






            1              loans?


            2                      These issues, like those 16 raised a


            3              week ago are, indeed, significant and merit


            4              further investigation.  Therefore, I move to


            5              table Items 6-F and 7-A on today's agenda


            6              until an investigation into the selection


            7              process is conducted, the complaint filed


            8              with the Ethics Commission is addressed and


            9              the zoning appeal is resolved.


           10                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I'll second it.


           11                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?


           12                      MR. COURTRIGHT: On the question, I


           13              was going to make a similar motion, Mrs.


           14              Evans' does included more, I was going to


           15              include it.  I just have -- there has been a


           16              lot of concerns brought up and I understand


           17              that it's the mayor's prerogative to chose


           18              who he wants to select, I don't debate,


           19              that's the way it is and how it is, you are


           20              not going to change that, but I'm really


           21              concerned when the main man behind the whole


           22              thing, Chris Balton, is gone.


           23                      I am also concerned now, I wasn't


           24              aware until Mr. Munchak came in that Melissa


           25              Marks was gone.  I believe they said






            1              Mr. Migliori is going to be in charge now, I


            2              don't really know him or that much about


            3              him, I believe he taped me a couple of times


            4              when I was doing interviews when we were


            5              running for office, but I was under the


            6              impression the main trust behind ECTV being


            7              chosen was Mr. Balton's expertise and also


            8              Miss Marks her being the station manager.


            9                   So, I'm willing to see you table it


           10              until -- I would like to see them come here


           11              and speak to us and tell us who is going to


           12              be taking over the duties that Mr. Balton is


           13              going to have and Miss Marks and what are


           14              their qualifications.  I'm also concerned


           15              because there is a zoning appeal and I


           16              wouldn't feel comfortable voting, yes, until


           17              I see how that zoning appeal goes, so for


           18              those reasons I'll -- Mrs. Evans went a


           19              little bit further than I would have gone,


           20              but for those reasons I will second that


           21              motion.


           22                      MR. MCGOFF: Anyone else on the


           23              question?


           24                      MS. GATELLI:  I would just like her


           25              to repeat the motion.






            1                      MS. EVANS: I move to table Item 6-F


            2              and 7-A on today's agenda until an


            3              investigation into the selection process is


            4              conducted, the complaint filed with the


            5              Ethics Commission is addressed and the


            6              zoning appeal is resolved.


            7                      MS. GATELLI: Thank you.


            8                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I'm sorry, could I


            9              ask a question, I second that motion, but,


           10              the very first part you make there an


           11              investigation, that's a little broad for me,


           12              so could you just expand on what you mean by


           13              investigation?


           14                      MS. EVANS: It's probably more of an


           15              examination than an investigation in that --


           16                      MR. COURTRIGHT: But by whom, by us


           17              or -- by council or --


           18                      MS. EVANS: I think at this point it


           19              behooves us to do so to take a look at the


           20              RFP to request the ratings of each of the


           21              members of the selection committee, to see


           22              if their evaluations match the requirements


           23              of the RFP and if, indeed, for example,


           24              anything was considered from one proposal


           25              that went above and beyond the requirements






            1              of the proposal then the proper thing to do


            2              in business is to reopen or allow the other


            3              party to provide the information that would


            4              be not equivalent to, but in response to the


            5              information provided by one proposal without


            6              their knowing what the exact information was


            7              in other words, from --


            8                      MR. COURTRIGHT: But it would be us


            9              asking these questions, city council when I


           10              say "Us" asking them, correct, in this


           11              investigation?  Because I would like to,


           12              again, what's the guy that's taken over, Mr.


           13              Darcy?  I'd like to see him come here and I


           14              would like see the selection committee come


           15              here because I want to ask the selection


           16              committee this question, would they have


           17              voted for ECTV if, in fact, at the time the


           18              proposal was made Mr. Balton wasn't a part


           19              of ECTV and Mrs. Marks wasn't part of ECTV


           20              because I am guessing that that had a big


           21              part in deciding on ECTV Mr. Balton and


           22              Mrs. Marks, so I don't know would this


           23              selection committee still have voted for


           24              that company?


           25                      And again, Mr. Migliori, I don't






            1              know him very well at all, like I said, he


            2              might have taped me a couple of times when


            3              we were running for office, but they are


            4              just some of the questions I have, so I


            5              would like to see it tabled.  I'm not naive,


            6              I understand it's the mayor's choice, but


            7              the money is our choice, so for that reason


            8              I'll vote for your motion.


            9                      MS. EVANS: Well, Mr. Courtright, if


           10              you would like I wouldn't be adverse to


           11              including in the motion the necessity for a


           12              meeting with the individuals you've


           13              enumerated.


           14                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I don't think you


           15              need to change your motion because if


           16              passed, if it does pass your motion, I can't


           17              imagine anyone up here refusing for us to


           18              meet with him if they are going to vote for


           19              your motion, so you don't need to alter it,


           20              that's fine.


           21                      MR. MCGOFF: The problem I have with


           22              the motion is that it's so -- that there is


           23              no determined date for when this would be


           24              put -- could be put back on the agenda,


           25              there are so many things that are included






            1              in the motion that have no terminal time to


            2              them that these motions that we are tabling


            3              or these things that we are tabling might


            4              never return.


            5                      MS. EVANS: Well, I'm assuming that a


            6              zoning appeal has to be resolved, that's a


            7              matter of litigation so I don't think we can


            8              say that one will never be resolved.  The


            9              Ethics Commission --


           10                      MR. MCGOFF: But, do we have --


           11                      MS. EVANS: That I do not know -- as


           12              for Ethics Commission I really don't no,


           13              ma'am what their time line is on this


           14              particular matter, but, you know, I do


           15              believe it's important that both be


           16              satisfied.  I agree with you it's difficult


           17              to attach a time line to this in respect to


           18              those two provisions, but they are


           19              significant and they do deserve a response


           20              before awarding $90,000 to anyone and I


           21              think in the interim certainly the current


           22              operator can continue to provide coverage


           23              until such time as these matters are


           24              resolved.  And should they require any


           25              financial assistance in so doing we learned






            1              today from Mr. Munchak that the county is


            2              providing monthly 1/12 of it's allocation


            3              and perhaps the city would decide to provide


            4              some minimal contribution outside of the


            5              $13,000 provided last year and continue with


            6              Scranton Today until these matters have been


            7              resolved.


            8                      This is done in government I believe


            9              all the time on a federal and a state level.


           10              It really isn't a prudent practice to


           11              proceed with the funding of let's say a


           12              loan, a contract, whatever, when there are


           13              so many significant issues raised that have


           14              not been answered.


           15                      MR. MCGOFF: ECTV has stated that


           16              they are ready to begin broadcasting at


           17              least of council meetings on July 1.  As far


           18              as I can see what you are now asking is that


           19              this motion is simply to delay them taking


           20              over the operation of Channel 61 and allow


           21              Scranton Today to continue.


           22                      MS. EVANS: No, that's not exactly


           23              what I'm saying.  That's an outgrowth --


           24                      MR. MCGOFF: You did say that.


           25                      MS. EVANS: Yes, but that's an






            1              outgrowth of the motion.  The motion is that


            2              all of these issues must be answered.  Now,


            3              it's also possible that an outgrowth of that


            4              motion would be that the record would show


            5              ECTV is not suitable for this undertaking.


            6              It could possibly show that Northeastern


            7              Pennsylvania Public Access Project is better


            8              prepared to do this or Scranton Today is


            9              better prepared to do this, I don't know,


           10              but that is also a possible outgrowth.


           11                      MR. MCGOFF: If you were to asked to


           12              table those two items without any qualifiers


           13              I would be more than happy to vote for it


           14              and speak to Mr. Welby, speak to Mr. Darcy,


           15              speak to whoever is involved in the process,


           16              but with the qualifiers and as you say the


           17              outgrowth of it I don't think that that's


           18              something that I can approve.


           19                      MS. EVANS: Well, I would be willing


           20              to rephrase the motion if you could base


           21              your examination or investigation on more


           22              than just conversations or opinions.  If you


           23              would base it on, you know, an actual review


           24              of the materials, the facts, the ratings,


           25              you know, in other words, I'm asking you to






            1              physically ensure the fairness of the


            2              process and to physically ensure the


            3              affordability factor, not to simply have a


            4              conversation with a gentleman that you know.


            5                      MR. MCGOFF: The gentleman that I had


            6              the conversation with were the ones that


            7              made the selection so it's not just -- it


            8              was the people that actually made the


            9              selection of ECTV.  You are making it sound


           10              like I was speaking to somebody on the


           11              street corner.


           12                      MS. EVANS: Oh, no, I wasn't -- I


           13              wasn't implying that at all.  But, again, a


           14              conversation is not the type of evidence


           15              that I'm seeking.  I'd like to see their


           16              ratings.  They had to have provided a


           17              written ratings system or road brick for


           18              their choices and those are the things I


           19              would like to see in order to coordinate


           20              those with the criteria of the RFP.


           21                      MS. GATELLI: I don't agree because


           22              an RFP wasn't even necessary.


           23                      MS. FANUCCI: No.


           24                      MS. GATELLI: Because the mayor


           25              allowed to pick who he wanted.  Jimmy






            1              Connors picked them.


            2                      MS. FANUCCI:  There didn't have to


            3              be an RFP, the criteria is --


            4                      MS. GATELLI:  They had to have money


            5              to start up and equipment costs.


            6                      MS. FANUCCI: We are on the question,


            7              aren't we?


            8                      MR. MCGOFF: We are on the question,


            9              the motion is to table, and I lost the two


           10              items.


           11                      MS. GATELLI: Well, the zoning that


           12              can go for years.  You see the mission down


           13              the street is still conducting business


           14              after three years.


           15                      MR. MCGOFF: If you would like to


           16              make a motion --


           17                      MS. EVANS: It's in the Supreme


           18              Court.


           19                      MS. GATELLI: Well, this can go


           20              there, too, it absolutely can go there.


           21                      MR. MCGOFF: Again, if the motion


           22              were to table this, simply to table the two


           23              items without any of the qualifiers that


           24              would be appropriate.


           25                      MS. GATELLI: We'll vote on it and






            1              then someone can make a motion.


            2                      MR. MCGOFF: Or do you wish to vote


            3              on the motion that you made?


            4                      MS. EVANS: Yes.


            5                      MR. MCGOFF:  All those in favor


            6              signify by saying aye.


            7                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


            8                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.


            9                      MR. MCGOFF: Opposed?


           10                      MS. FANUCCI:  No.


           11                      MS. GATELLI:  No.


           12                      MR. MCGOFF:  No.  Motion defeated.


           13                      MS. EVANS: I thank you.  I just hope


           14              that the residents understand that you get


           15              what you deserve when you don't hold elected


           16              officials accountable.  Do your elected


           17              officials consider the big picture and how


           18              each decision they make will impact the


           19              taxpayers and Scranton's financial future.


           20              When taxes continue to climb because you


           21              choose gold-plated services when silver will


           22              satisfy the requirements, it's yet another


           23              fine example of mismanagement of tax dollars


           24              that could be better utilized on other


           25              priorities.






            1                      Yes, the public wants Channel 61,


            2              but it doesn't want the gold plated Channel


            3              61.  I heard you and I have been trying to


            4              ensure a fair competitive process while


            5              holding the costs of the service to a


            6              minimum.


            7                      On another topic, council received a


            8              letter from Mr. Farrell of the University of


            9              Scranton regarding it's position on a


           10              neighboring restaurant/bar business and


           11              while I understand the concerns noted by Mr.


           12              Farrell, they are certainly not new or


           13              unusual.  Underage drinking is not so much


           14              enabled by takeout beer and restaurants


           15              sports bars as it is by legal adults


           16              21 years of age or older who purchase the


           17              alcohol citywide and turn it over to


           18              underage drinkers.


           19                      If students, for example, had no


           20              vehicles and the city had no restaurant bars


           21              within walking distance of the "U" perhaps


           22              the argument made by Mr. Farrell would


           23              demonstrate more validity.  Unfortunately,


           24              as he well knows, all colleges and


           25              universities face the ever growing problems






            1              of substance abuse.  It's not unique to the


            2              University and as such the University must


            3              make continuous consorted efforts to enforce


            4              it's policies, offer preventive programs,


            5              and police it's extensive properties.


            6              Attempting to target, control or eliminate


            7              business does not effectively address the


            8              number of issues of substance both on and


            9              off campus.


           10                      As a steward of city finances, I


           11              feel compelled to protect the small


           12              businessman in our city.  He pays taxes


           13              which are Scranton's primary source of


           14              revenue.  He employees workers.  He


           15              beautifies his property.  He polices the


           16              activities of his business.  Further, in


           17              this specific case he has unwavering support


           18              of the Hill Neighborhood Association as well


           19              as business neighbors.  The only support he


           20              lacks is from the University of Scranton.


           21              Just as our beloved city acts as a good


           22              neighbor to the University, might I suggest


           23              that the University assume the role of good


           24              neighbor to Scranton small businesses.  The


           25              taxpayer can ill afford to lose them.






            1                      Finally, I have some requests for


            2              the past week:  A letter to Parks and


            3              Recreation, the Dorothy Street playground


            4              continues to be defaced with graffiti, some


            5              of which is obscene according to residents


            6              of the area.  Please remove this filth as


            7              soon as possible.


            8                      The 700 block of Prescott Avenue a


            9              resident of the block reports an abandoned


           10              house possibly condemned where grass is


           11              highly overgrown.  He is concerned the


           12              property is a safety hazard.


           13                      A letter to Mr. Renda:  Please


           14              provide a written response to the letter of


           15              May 22, 2008, requesting information


           16              regarding revenue from insurance carriers on


           17              or before June 30, 2008.  The initial


           18              deadline for this information was June 2.


           19                      A letter to Mrs. Moran and


           20              Mr. Doherty and an advertisement for a clerk


           21              with a salary range of 60 to 90,000 dollars


           22              was identified on Craig's list as of


           23              June 16, 2008, and details read:  "This is


           24              responsible administrative and specialized


           25              clerical work in directing the activities of






            1              the Office of the City Clerk."


            2                      Did the city administration


            3              advertise for this position and if so please


            4              describe in detail the necessity of such?


            5              Please provide a written response on or


            6              before June 7, 2009.  And that's it.


            7                      MR. MCGOFF: Mrs. Evans, just a


            8              clarification, I did ask and that was not


            9              put in by anyone in the city.


           10                      MS. EVANS: So, that was an unknown


           11              advertiser?  I'm glad to hear that.


           12                      MR. MCGOFF: Well, the e-mail from


           13              which it came was unidentified as well, but


           14              it wasn't placed by the city.


           15                      MS. EVANS: Okay.  Well, the e-mail


           16              received though was from and individual so


           17              they weren't unidentifiable.


           18                      MR. MCGOFF: No, no.  I meant the


           19              e-mail to place the ad was one --they


           20              couldn't find who actually sent it, but it


           21              wasn't sent from here.


           22                      MS. EVANS: Well, it's very good to


           23              know that we won't be paying $90,000 for a


           24              clerical position.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mrs. Evans.






            1              Mrs. Gatelli.


            2                      MS. GATELLI: First I have to thank


            3              some people.  We had a community justice


            4              walk on Thursday and a lot of people helped


            5              out, the district attorney was there,


            6              Jennifer McCambridge, with her interns Jarod


            7              Miero, Eric Lascuzzo, and Maria Berta.  The


            8              Department of Inspections was there, Carl


            9              Graziano, Tom Oleski, Todd Ortez, Jack


           10              Liptai and Patty Fowler.  Police officers


           11              Paul Reed and Tony Guida and during the


           12              process nine cars were towed, six houses


           13              were condemned, and 18 notices were posted


           14              and police filed several litter citations.


           15              So, the kick off of our new program was very


           16              successful.  It is also happening in the


           17              Hill Section and I believe West Scranton did


           18              have a crime community justice, do you know


           19              who it is, Bill?


           20                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I don't know how


           21              active is it now, it was Mr. Vanacoski,


           22              Mr. Minicoss, those people, Mrs. Tallo.  I


           23              don't know how active they are.


           24                      MS. GATELLI:  Well, if you need any


           25              help over there, Bill, if somebody wants to






            1              get it going it's an excellent program.


            2                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I'll ask.


            3                      MS. GATELLI: And I'll offer to help


            4              you get it going, it is needed over there.


            5                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I'll pass that onto


            6              whoever is left there.


            7                      MS. GATELLI:  Yes, please, because


            8              we are happy to get it going again and all


            9              of the sections of the city should have the


           10              benefit of it.  It's a program sponsored by


           11              the District Attorney's Office and it's an


           12              excellent program, so anyone who is


           13              interested please let us know.  You can call


           14              Kay and we can maybe set you up with the


           15              right people to get it done in your


           16              neighborhoods.


           17                      The next thing, I would like to make


           18              a motion that we give a proclamation to


           19              Douglas and Ian Miller.  I don't believe,


           20              and I do sincerely hope that we will have


           21              other students that will participate and


           22              they are welcome and maybe you can hang the


           23              signs at Scranton High next year and I'll


           24              hang some at West, but I believe they did a


           25              fine job and I think that we should give






            1              them a proclamation for their hard work.


            2                      MS. FANUCCI: I'll second that.


            3                      MR. MCGOFF:  All in favor?


            4                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


            5                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


            6                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


            7                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


            8                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.


            9                      MS. GATELLI: Thank you.  I just need


           10              a letter to Michael Wallace.  I have been


           11              having being trouble, Kay, getting ahold of


           12              Mr. Wallace.  I don't normally have you do


           13              these, but I can't seem to get him.


           14                      There is a property at the corner of


           15              Pittston Avenue and Pawn Street and there is


           16              a tractor-trailer in the rear and the


           17              neighbors wanted to know if it qualified


           18              under the zoning.


           19                      Also there is a property at 123-125


           20              Prospect Avenue that's being gutted and from


           21              what I understand the owner wants to make it


           22              a six-family unit.  It has not been a


           23              six-family in at least five years so I want


           24              to make Mr. Wallace aware of that property.


           25                   I read an article in the paper today






            1              about the legislators, Representative Todd


            2              Eachus is urging committee action on his


            3              anti-blight legislation in the state, and it


            4              would enable municipal officials to take


            5              action against absentee landlords of


            6              derelict properties.  Why should we allow


            7              absentee owners to further degrade the value


            8              of properties while hardworking


            9              Pennsylvanians struggle to hold onto their


           10              own, so I would like to make another motion


           11              we send Mr. Eachus a letter supporting his


           12              bill.


           13                      MS. FANUCCI: I'll second that.


           14                      MR. MCGOFF:  All in favor?


           15                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           16                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           17                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           18                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           19                      MS. GATELLI: I have a lot of motions


           20              today.  My last motion is to table the two


           21              pieces of legislation for Channel 61, ECTV.


           22              I would like to table them to get some more


           23              information of some of the allegations that


           24              have been made here.  I don't want to go the


           25              full gammet of waiting for this and waiting






            1              for that, but I am willing to investigate


            2              some of the financial discrepancies in the


            3              information that has been received, so I ask


            4              that we table it until we get some


            5              information.


            6                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.


            7                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?


            8                      MR. COURTRIGHT: On the question, I'm


            9              hoping that we can meet with these people


           10              and ask them face-to-face the questions that


           11              we have and then move on from there.


           12                      MR. MCGOFF: All in favor of tabling


           13              Item 6-F and 7-A signify by saying aye.


           14                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           15                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           16                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           17                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           18                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           19              ayes have it and so moved.


           20                      MS. GATELLI:  That's all I have.


           21              Thank you.


           22                      MS. FANUCCI: I actually only have


           23              one thing to speak about.  The Shiloh


           24              Baptist Church every year has a wonderful


           25              program where they provide backpacks for






            1              children going to school with all of the


            2              necessities for the children to start off


            3              with and this is a great program and I


            4              believe to donate they are looking for 500


            5              kids for these backpacks and they are


            6              looking for about $12 each to donate, so if


            7              anyone please contact Carol Mason of the


            8              Shiloh Baptist Church, and I'm not going to


            9              read the number out, but you can contact us


           10              here at the office and I will make sure that


           11              we have it.  This is a program that will


           12              send the kids back to school with all -- I


           13              can't believe we are talking about back to


           14              school, but we have to now, but send them


           15              back with all of their necessities and this


           16              is wonderful program, and I just wanted to


           17              talk about it.  Thank you.


           18                      MR. MCGOFF: Mr. Courtright?


           19                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Yes, a lot of


           20              people have been asking for about two or


           21              three years about the 1100 block of Washburn


           22              Street back to maybe the 16 or 1700 block if


           23              not further about having it paved and I


           24              guess we all know how difficult it is to get


           25              a street paved in this city, but I have to






            1              check into this further.  My understanding


            2              is, I don't know if people recall last year,


            3              many streets why paved and they were paved


            4              by the utilities because the utilities went


            5              in and dug up the ground and they were


            6              required to pave them.  I'm hearing that


            7              possibly it's going to happen the full


            8              length of Washburn Street that the utilities


            9              are going to come in and dig up and put down


           10              new pipes, so hopefully you will get your


           11              street paved, I will check that and confirm


           12              it.  That's it, Kay.  Everything I have here


           13              is going to I guess go to the DPW.  Meridian


           14              Avenue off of Luzerne Street which would be


           15              heading south until it gets to the Elm


           16              Street bridge, it is beyond patching.  You


           17              just can't patch it anymore.  It's just --


           18              it's ineffective, it's terrible.  I believe


           19              it would fall under OECD funds to do it or


           20              -- I would ask you to send a letter asking


           21              that they would consider that somewhere on


           22              the top of list to get it paved.  It's


           23              beyond patching, you just can't patch it


           24              anymore.  So, if we can ask Mr. Brazil to


           25              respond to me on that anyway.






            1                      People from the Esso Development


            2              have asked me they said the street sweeper


            3              came through right after the winter and I


            4              would like to see if we can come up through


            5              that development one more time.


            6                      This is me personally, there is a


            7              business called Cleveland's, I'm not quite


            8              sure he full name of it, it's where they wax


            9              cars.  You can't pull out, I was in there


           10              and you can't pull out there when you are


           11              there, the road has eroded away, right where


           12              their driveway meets the road, so it's


           13              eroded and it's not very wide but it's very


           14              deep and if the DPW could take a look at


           15              filling that in?


           16                      And I'll answer Mrs. Schumacher's


           17              question, I have asked about that machine


           18              for couple of years now, I don't get an


           19              answer.  I went and looked at it a year or


           20              two ago, it was down at the DPW complex, but


           21              I think it's hiding now down at the Sewer


           22              Authority if I'm not mistaken.  I had asked


           23              a long time ago if we weren't going to use


           24              it, I think it was a piece of equipment that


           25              we bought and that we learned relatively






            1              quickly that it wasn't going to be effective


            2              for the city and I'd ask back when they


            3              bought it, I forget the dollar amount, if we


            4              weren't going to be able to use if we put it


            5              up for sale, so we at least got something


            6              for it.  I am being told of the record from


            7              some DPW workers that it's not worth


            8              anything now, just the cost of whatever the


            9              metal you can get out of it.  So, I haven't


           10              gotten an answer so I can't answer you.  I


           11              have been asking for several years, even


           12              before Mr. Brazil was there I asked this


           13              question, but I think it's down, I think


           14              it's parked down at the Sewer Authority the


           15              last I heard and that's all I have.  Thank


           16              you.


           17                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you,


           18              Mr. Courtright.  Just a couple of things.


           19              In response to I don't know if Mr. Sbaraglia


           20              was asking about an amount on the Lackawanna


           21              College, the only thing I could find in the


           22              backup from last week was an amount of


           23              $8 million, but I don't think that's the


           24              amount that he was looking for, that's for


           25              whatever loan or whatever grant they're






            1              receiving, it's not to exceed $8 million,


            2              but that was the only dollar amount that was


            3              in the backup.


            4                      To Mr. Powell speaking about Keyser


            5              Terrace I was in -- or I happened to be


            6              speaking with some people and about Keyser


            7              Terrace and just a refresher, I believe that


            8              we as a council voted that nothing would be


            9              done as far as we were concerned at Keyser


           10              Terrace until we got approval from the city


           11              engineer, so as that continues to move


           12              forward hopefully I would just reiterate to


           13              Mr. Powell that I believe that we are all in


           14              agreement with that, that nothing will be


           15              approved at Keyser Terrace as far as council


           16              is concerned until we have some assurances


           17              from the city engineer that it is


           18              acceptable.


           19                      And to Mr. Ellman, I just wanted to


           20              mention that the money that is being used


           21              from Friendship House for paving of streets


           22              was done with the agreement of Friendship


           23              House.  They were not, as Mrs. Gatelli said,


           24              they were not ready to start on the projects


           25              for which the money was granted, and so in






            1              agreement with Friendship House the money


            2              was moved to paving the streets, so it


            3              wasn't taken from them, it was at least done


            4              with their agreement and the understanding


            5              that money would then being reinstated to


            6              them when they were ready to move on with


            7              the projects.


            8                      Also, last week it was mentioned


            9              that the University of Scranton was charging


           10              some exorbitant rates for the use of the


           11              South Side Complex for the soccer programs


           12              that were taking place there.  That was not


           13              true.  In contact with the University of


           14              Scranton they said that they with agreement


           15              through the whatever, I forgot the name of


           16              the federation that runs the soccer program,


           17              but with their agreement they were using the


           18              field at no cost.  That they were being


           19              given the field at no cost to them and that


           20              what happened was that a letter was sent to


           21              the person that was running the program


           22              stating that if, in fact, there were a cost


           23              it would be given -- that the letter stated


           24              that this would be the cost of a rental.


           25                   Apparently, the person in charge of the






            1              soccer program then sent the University of


            2              Scranton a check thinking that that was a


            3              rental fee.  The check was returned to them


            4              and told that the letter was sent only


            5              because of I believe tax requirements that


            6              the University has to state, you know, any


            7              gifts that they give and put a dollar amount


            8              to it.  Any fees that are being charged, any


            9              fees that are being charged to people


           10              playing there are not being charged by the


           11              University of Scranton.  There may be fees


           12              being charged by the federation that's


           13              running the soccer program, but there are no


           14              fees from the University of Scranton.


           15                      And the other clarification, the


           16              University of Scranton is in ownership of


           17              the South Side Complex despite the fact that


           18              it is still in -- that there are some --


           19              there is some litigation taking place, the


           20              University of Scranton does own the South


           21              Side Complex, and so they would have a right


           22              to charge anything that they wanted to.


           23                      One last thing, at the US Conference


           24              of Mayors, the City of Scranton was given an


           25              honorable mention and Mayor Doherty an






            1              honorable mention for their efforts to


            2              protect the city's tree canopy.  It was --


            3              the first place winners were the cities of


            4              Seattle and Carmel, Indiana and then the


            5              City of Scranton was in an honorable mention


            6              category with Bartlett, Illinois,


            7              Chattanooga, Tennessee, Colorado Springs,


            8              Oakland, Phoenix, Pleasanton, California,


            9              San Francisco, and as I said, Scranton.


           10              That's all.  Thank you.


           11                      MS. GARVEY: Kay.  FIFTH ORDER.  NO


           12              BUSINESS AT THIS TIME.  SIXTH ORDER.  6-A.


           13              READING BY TITLE - FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 23,


           14              2008 - AN ORDINANCE - ESTABLISHING A "NO


           15              PARKING" ZONE ALONG THE SOUTHERLY SIDE OF


           16              MULBERRY STREET (S.R. 3027) FROM THE NOW


           17              VACATED HITCHCOCK COURT EAST TO A POINT


           18              SEVENTY FIVE FEET (75') EAST OF THE CENTER


           19              LINE OF ROYAL WAY (QUINCY AVENUE VACATED)








           23              TO ROYAL WAY.


           24                      MR. MCGOFF: You have heard Reading


           25              by Title of Item 6-A, what is your pleasure?






            1                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I move that item 6-A


            2              pass Reading by Title.


            3                      MS. GATELLI:  Second.


            4                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


            5              those in favor signify by saying aye.


            6                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


            7                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


            8                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


            9                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           10                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           11              ayes have it and so moved.


           12                      MS. GARVEY: 6-B. READING BY TITLE -


           13              FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 24, 2008 - AN ORDINANCE




           15              SIDE OF MULBERRY STREET (S.R. 3027) FROM THE




           17              COURT, THE SAME DISTANCE AS MORE




           19              ATTACHED HERETO, IN THE "NO PARKING" ZONE




           21              THE DRIVEWAY OF THE NEW UNIVERSITY OF


           22              SCRANTON CAMPUS CENTER.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF: You have heard Reading


           24              by Title of Item 6-B, what is your pleasure?


           25                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  I move that Item






            1              6-B pass Reading by Title.


            2                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.


            3                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


            4              those in favor signify by saying aye.


            5                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


            6                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


            7                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


            8                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


            9                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           10              ayes have it and so moved.


           11                      MS. GARVEY: 6-C. READING BY TITLE -


           12              FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 25, 2008 - AN ORDINANCE


           13              - AMENDING FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 123, 2007,


           14              ENTITLED, "AN ORDINANCE AUTHORIZING THE




           16              CITY OF SCRANTON TO TAKE ALL NECESSARY






           19              DEVELOPMENT PROGRAMS (AS AMENDED) TO BE




           21              GRANT (CDBG) PROGRAM, HOME INVESTMENT




           23              SHELTER GRANT (ESG) PROGRAM", BY


           24              TRANSFERRING $216,628.42 FROM PROJECT NO.


           25              05-154 FRIENDSHIP HOUSE AND $24,371.58 FROM






            1              PROJECT NO. 05-154.1 FRIENDSHIP HOUSE TO


            2              PROJECT NO. 07-04 PAVING OF CITY STREETS TO


            3              INCLUDE HANDICAPPED CURB CUTS.


            4                      MR. MCGOFF: You have heard Reading


            5              by Title of Item 6-C, what is your pleasure?


            6                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I move that Item 6-C


            7              pass Reading by Title.


            8                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.


            9                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


           10              those in favor signify by saying aye.


           11                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           12                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           13                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           14                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           15                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           16              ayes have it and so moved.


           17                      MS. GARVEY: 6-D. READING BY TITLE -


           18              FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 26, 2008 - AN ORDINANCE


           19              - AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF SCRANTON


           20              PROVIDING FOR AN AGREEMENT OF






           23              PLANNING BY THE CITY OF SCRANTON AND THE










            1              BOROUGH, CLARKS SUMMIT BOROUGH, DALTON








            5              TOWNSHIP.


            6                      MR. MCGOFF: You have heard Reading


            7              by Title of Item 6-D, what is your pleasure?


            8                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I move that Item 6-D


            9              pass Reading by Title.


           10                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.


           11                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?


           12                      MS. EVANS: Yes, I believe next week


           13              perhaps we would table this prior to the


           14              reading so that we might receive the final


           15              draft to read and I believe in July we will


           16              be meeting with the SAPA representative;


           17              correct?


           18                      MR. MCGOFF: Yes, July 15 is the date


           19              I would assume that once we table it if we


           20              table it next week that we would wait until


           21              the 15th before it would be reintroduced.


           22                      MS. GATELLI: That's what we said


           23              last week.


           24                      MR. MCGOFF:  All those in favor


           25              signify by saying aye.






            1                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


            2                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


            3                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


            4                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


            5                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


            6              ayes have it and so moved.


            7                      MS. GARVEY: 6-E. READING BY TITLE -


            8              FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 27, 2008 - AN ORDINANCE


            9              - APPROVING THE TRANSFER OF A RESTAURANT




           11              KULICK T/A ANN'S BAR, 160 BOULEVARD AVENUE,


           12              THROOP, PA 18512, LICENSE NO. R-15082 TO


           13              KEDNRA A. RICCIO ENTERPRISES, LLC T/A/


           14              "BALLINA" FOR USE AT 2934 BIRNEY AVENUE,


           15              SCRANTON, PA.  AS REQUIRED BY THE


           16              PENNSYLVANIA LIQUOR CONTROL BOARD.


           17                      MR. MCGOFF: You have heard Reading


           18              by Title of Item 6-E, what is your pleasure?


           19                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I move that Item 6-A


           20              pass Reading by Title.


           21                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.


           22                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


           23              those in favor signify by saying aye.


           24                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           25                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.






            1                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


            2                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


            3                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


            4              ayes have it and so moved.


            5                      MS. GARVEY: 6-F has been tabled.


            6              6-G.  READING BY TITLE - FILE OF COUNCIL NO.


            7              29, 2008 - AN ORDINANCE - ACCEPTING AND


            8              ORDAINING A FOUR (4) FOOT PORTION OF LAND TO


            9              WIDEN A PORTION OF LAVELLE COURT IN THE




           11              STREET TO CREATE A RIGHT OF WAY TO TWENTY


           12              (20) FEET.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF:  You have heard Reading


           14              by Title of Item 6-G, what is your pleasure?


           15                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I move that Item 6-G


           16              pass Reading by Title.


           17                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.


           18                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


           19              those in favor signify by saying aye.


           20                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           21                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           22                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           23                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           24                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           25              ayes have it and so moved.






            1                      MS. GARVEY: SEVENTH ORDER.  7-A has


            2              been tabled.  7-B., do you want to make any


            3              amendments before I read this?


            4                      MR. MINORA: This is the matter that


            5              I spoke to Attorney Kelly about, if you


            6              wanted to amend it now to 25 years you can


            7              do that by motion and then we can read it as


            8              the final reading.


            9                      MS. FANUCCI: I'll make a motion that


           10              we change Item 7-B from 50 years for the


           11              term to 25 years.


           12                      MR. MCGOFF: Second.  On the


           13              question?  All those in favor signify by


           14              saying aye.


           15                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           16                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           17                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           18                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?


           19                      MS. EVANS: No.


           20                      MR. MCGOFF: The ayes have it and so


           21              moved.


           22                      MS. GARVEY: 7-B. FOR CONSIDERATION


           23              BY THE COMMITTEE ON RULES FOR ADOPTION -


           24              RESOLUTION NUMBER 36, 2008 -- AS AMENDED --


           25              APPROVING FOR ADOPTION THE PROPOSED














            5              THE MUNICIPAL AUTHORITIES ACT OF 2001.


            6                      MR. MCGOFF: As Chairperson for the


            7              Committee on Rules, I recommend final


            8              passage of Item 7-B as amended.


            9                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Second.


           10                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?


           11                      MS. EVANS: Yes, I just wanted to


           12              repeat my position that was stated last


           13              week, the Recreation Authority sets the fees


           14              at Nay Aug, but council is left to pay the


           15              bills and I believe it is council who should


           16              be setting the fees and making the decisions


           17              at that park as it does with other


           18              neighborhood parks throughout the City of


           19              Scranton, though a 25-year adjustment from


           20              the 50-year term is certainly improvement,


           21              it is still a lengthy period of time and I


           22              believe that as long as we are being asked,


           23              which in effect means you are being asked to


           24              pay these bills, you are doing so without


           25              frankly any input because you would have to






            1              respond to individuals who are appointed by


            2              a mayor to an authority that oversees your


            3              greatest park, the jewel of parks throughout


            4              Scranton.


            5                      MR. MCGOFF: Anyone else on the


            6              question?  Roll call, please.


            7                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.


            8                      MS. EVANS:  No.


            9                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Gatelli.


           10                      MS. GATELLI.  Yes.


           11                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.


           12                      MS. FANUCCI:  Yes.


           13                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. Courtright.


           14                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Yes.


           15                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.


           16                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes.  I hereby declare


           17              7-B as amended legally and lawfully adopted.


           18                      MS. GARVEY: 7-C. FOR CONSIDERATION




           20              FOR ADOPTION - RESOLUTION NO. 37, 2008 -






           23              REIMBURSEMENT AGREEMENT NO. 04R007 WITH THE




           25              TRANSPORTATION ("PENNDOT") FOR THE 500 BLOCK








            2              PLAZA AND PEDESTRIAN COURT.


            3                      MR. MCGOFF:  What is the


            4              recommendation of the Chairperson for the


            5              Committee on Community Development?


            6                      MS. FANUCCI: As Chairperson for the


            7              Committee on Community Development, I


            8              recommend final passage of Item 7-C.


            9                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.


           10                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?


           11                      MS. EVANS: Again I'll reiterate what


           12              was said last week, but in a more brief


           13              fashion, I'm not against economic


           14              development.  I was very supportive of this


           15              project in it's initial stages, however, I


           16              can't vote to approve anything that's not


           17              going to include the two staples of the 500


           18              block of Lackawanna Avenue, those being,


           19              Coney Island and Buona Pizza.


           20                      MR. MCGOFF:  Roll call, please.


           21                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.


           22                      MS. EVANS:  No.


           23                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Gatelli.


           24                      MS. GATELLI.  Yes.


           25                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.






            1                      MS. FANUCCI:  Yes.


            2                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. Courtright.


            3                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Yes.


            4                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.


            5                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes.  I hereby declare


            6              7-C legally and lawfully adopted.


            7                      MS. GARVEY: 7-D. FOR CONSIDERATION




            9              FOR ADOPTION - RESOLUTION NO. 38, 2008 -


           10              ACCEPTING THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE




           12              ("HARB") AND APPROVING THE CERTIFICATE OF




           14              SCRANTON, 800 LINDEN STREET, SCRANTON, PA


           15              FOR MINOR ALTERATION OF EXTERIOR TO FIT






           18              OF SCRANTON, HOULIHAN-MCLEAN CENTER, 342-348


           19              JEFFERSON AVENUE, SCRANTON.


           20                      MR. MCGOFF: What is the


           21              recommendation of the Chairperson for the


           22              Committee on Community Development?


           23                      MS. FANUCCI: As Chairperson for the


           24              Committee on Community Development, I


           25              recommend final passage of Item 7-E.






            1                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.


            2                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?  Roll


            3              call, please.


            4                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.


            5                      MS. EVANS:  Yes.


            6                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Gatelli.


            7                      MS. GATELLI.  Yes.


            8                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.


            9                      MS. FANUCCI:  Yes.


           10                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. Courtright.


           11                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Yes.


           12                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes.  I hereby declare


           14              Item 7-D legally and lawfully adopted.


           15                      MS. GARVEY: 7-E. FOR CONSIDERATION


           16              BY THE COMMITTEE ON FINANCE - FOR ADOPTION -


           17              RESOLUTION NO. 39, 2008 - APPROVING THE








           21              COLLEGE, A PENNSYLVANIA NON-FOR-PROFIT




           23              THAT IT IS DESIRABLE FOR THE HEALTH, SAFETY


           24              AND WELFARE OF THE PEOPLE OF THE CITY OF


           25              SCRANTON, LACKAWANNA COLLEGE, TO HAVE










            3              CITY, OR, IN HIS ABSENCE, THE PRESIDENT OF


            4              VICE PRESIDENT TOF THE COUNCIL OF THE CITY,


            5              AS THE PERSON TO ACT ON BEHALF OF THE CITY


            6              COUNCIL, AS THE "APPLICABLE ELECTED




            8              INTERNAL REVENUE CODE OF 1986, AS AMENDED;


            9              AUTHORIZING SUCH MAYOR OF THE CITY OR THE


           10              PRESIDENT OR VICE PRESIDENT OF THE CITY








           14              NECESSARY AND APPROPRIATE ACTION.


           15                      MR. MCGOFF: What is the


           16              recommendation of the Chairperson for the


           17              Committee on Finance?


           18                      MS. GATELLI: As Chair for the


           19              Committee on Finance, I recommend final


           20              passage of 7-E.


           21                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.


           22                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?


           23                      MS. EVANS: There was a question


           24              raised earlier during the meeting regarding


           25              this legislation I believe by Mr. Sbaraglia,






            1              perhaps, and I know that, Mr. McGoff, you


            2              tried to answer that under motions, but


            3              might we table this until we are able to get


            4              more firm financial information, and I think


            5              Mr. Sbaraglia also indicated there would be


            6              a public hearing on this issue where we


            7              might be able to obtain further details.


            8                      MR. MCGOFF: Is there a second?


            9                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I'm going to abstain


           10              for voting on this totally because in the


           11              past I believe it was political what they


           12              said because I teach at the police academy


           13              there and I shouldn't be voting on any


           14              legislation there, and so rather than -- and


           15              at the time Mr. Walsh I believe checked with


           16              the Ethic's Commission if it was an Ethic's


           17              violation, but in an effort not to send Mr.


           18              Minora through the same thing I've just got


           19              to abstain from this, so I'm not just going


           20              to comment on it.


           21                      MR. EVANS: Mr. McGoff, I didn't


           22              really make a motion though, I just asked if


           23              we might consider the motion.


           24                      MR. MCGOFF: I would think since


           25              there is no liability on behalf of the city






            1              that we can approve it and perhaps find the


            2              answer.  I think Mr. Sbaraglia was just


            3              looking for the total amount of their


            4              project was and what was going to be paid.


            5                      MR. GATELLI: If flows through the


            6              Health and Welfare Authority.


            7                      MS. EVANS: Yes, we are not


            8              responsible for any debt or let's say


            9              failure of repayment that may not fall on


           10              the shoulders of the city, however, it is


           11              the same constituency inevitably, so through


           12              the county perhaps since you are a resident


           13              of Scranton and Lackawanna County you can be


           14              responsible for repayment.


           15                      MR. MCGOFF: Understood.  Anyone else


           16              on the question?  Roll call, please.


           17                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.


           18                      MS. EVANS:  Yes.


           19                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Gatelli.


           20                      MS. GATELLI.  Yes.


           21                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.


           22                      MS. FANUCCI:  Yes.


           23                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. Courtright.


           24                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Abstain.


           25                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.






            1                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes.  I hereby declare


            2              Item 7-F legally and lawfully adopted.


            3                      MS. GARVEY: That was 7-E.


            4                      MR. MCGOFF: 7-E, excuse me.  I


            5              hereby declare Item 7-E legally and lawfully


            6              adopted.


            7                      MS. GARVEY: 7-F. FOR CONSIDERATIO BY


            8              THE COMMITTEE ON RULES - FOR ADOPTION -


            9              RESOLUTION NO. 40, 2008 - AUTHORIZING THE










           14              AEROSPACE WORKERS LOCAL NO. 2462 (CLERICAL


           15              UNION.)


           16                      MR. MCGOFF: As Chairperson for the


           17              Committee on Rules, I recommend final


           18              passage of Item 7-F.


           19                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.


           20                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?  Roll


           21              call, please.


           22                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.


           23                      MS. EVANS:  Yes.


           24                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Gatelli.


           25                      MS. GATELLI.  Yes.






            1                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.


            2                      MS. FANUCCI:  Yes.


            3                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. Courtright.


            4                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Yes.


            5                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.


            6                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes.  I hereby declare


            7              Item 7-F legally and lawfully adopted.  No


            8              further business.  Thank you for your


            9              cooperation and I ask for a motion.


           10                      MS. GATELLI: Motion to adjourn.




































            1                     C E R T I F I C A T E




            3        I hereby certify that the proceedings and


            4   evidence are contained fully and accurately in the


            5   notes of testimony taken by me at the hearing of the


            6   above-captioned matter and that the foregoing is a true


            7   and correct transcript of the same to the best of my


            8   ability.







                                    CATHENE S. NARDOZZI, RPR

           12                       OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER