1              SCRANTON CITY COUNCIL MEETING








            5                          HELD:




            7                   Tuesday, June 17, 2008




            9                        LOCATION:


           10                    Council Chambers


           11                 Scranton City Hall


           12              340 North Washington Avenue


           13                Scranton, Pennsylvania











































                MS. JANET E. EVANS



            9   MS. SHERRY FANUCCI



                MR. WILLIAM COURTRIGHT



           12   MS. KAY GARVEY, CITY CLERK






           15   MR. AMIL MINORA, SOLICITOR


























            1   (Pledge of Allegiance recited and moment of reflection


            2   observed.)


            3                      MR. MCGOFF: Roll call, please.


            4                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.


            5                      MS. EVANS:  Here.


            6                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Gatelli.


            7                      MS. GATELLI.  Here.


            8                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.


            9                      MS. FANUCCI:  Here.


           10                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. Courtright.


           11                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Here.


           12                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF:  Here.  Dispense with


           14              the reading of the minutes.


           15                      MS. GARVEY: THIRD ORDER.  NO


           16              BUSINESS AT THIS TIME.


           17                      MR. MCGOFF: Any announcements that


           18              are to be made?


           19                      MS. GATELLI: Yes, I have a few.


           20              This Sunday at the Everhart Museum is called


           21              Sunday in the park from noon until four and


           22              it's free with a library card.  It's part of


           23              the Everhart Museum and the library system


           24              events for the summer.  Also, anyone who


           25              wants to have their children join the summer






            1              reading program at the Albright Memorial


            2              Library, you can go to the children's


            3              library and have your children sign up and


            4              with that they have a passport for, oh, at


            5              least 40 venues for the summer that the


            6              children can go to and they will all be free


            7              for them, and that's at the children's


            8              library you can sign up.


            9                       Also, the Regional Equity Area


           10              Actress, Agnus Cummings, is going to be


           11              running a forensic and acting coaching


           12              program at the Old Brick Theatre for the


           13              summer for children age 13 through adults.


           14              It's hourly classes and if you would like to


           15              call to sign up the number is 903-0623, and


           16              that's all.  Thank you.


           17                      MS. EVANS: Thomas Schroeder of West


           18              Scranton High School will be a junior this


           19              fall.  He is the only individual from West


           20              Side to be chosen and to have the Honor to


           21              play for the Moosic Mets.  Moosic Mets


           22              baseball is a fall showcase team that will


           23              allow the players chosen to showcase their


           24              talents.  This team will be traveling to


           25              major universities where many college






            1              coaches and professional scouts will be


            2              attend.  The cost associated to play for


            3              this team is $800.  The Moosic Mets and the


            4              Schroeder family are seeking sponsors for an


            5              ad book to help defray the costs and ads


            6              sell for $25, $50 and $100.  Also, donations


            7              will be accept.  Ads and donations may be


            8              mailed to: "The Schroeder Family, 501 North


            9              Lincoln Avenue, Scranton, Pa., 18504.


           10              Checks can be made payable to: "Moosic Mets


           11              Baseball."  It's a very worthy cause, it's a


           12              great honor for this young West Scranton


           13              High School student and I hope that be some


           14              of you will elect to help him make his


           15              membership in this a reality.


           16                      MR. MCGOFF:  That's it?  Anyone


           17              else?


           18                      MS. FANUCCI: I have one thing to


           19              say, my niece graduated from Scranton and I


           20              wanted to say congratulations and we are


           21              very proud of her.  She is a wonderful,


           22              wonderful adult now I have to say, but I


           23              just want to congratulate her on her


           24              graduation.  Thank you.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF: I do have two things or






            1              three things, and I'll just read this, I


            2              just received it.  The Department of


            3              Community and Economic Development will be


            4              hosting a training and technical assistance


            5              section to discuss the local share account


            6              funds under the Pennsylvania Racehorse


            7              Development and Gaming Act of 2004 as


            8              amended.  I believe that it says that it's


            9              an opportunity to learn more about the


           10              application process.  The training session


           11              will be held Thursday, June 19, at Brennan


           12              Hall at the University of Scranton at


           13              3:00 p.m., and it says the public is invited


           14              to attend and to participate in the


           15              discussion period following the presentation


           16              by DCED.  So that's Brennan Hall, Thursday


           17              at 3:00 p.m. dealing with local share


           18              accounts through the Resource Development


           19              and Gaming Act if anyone is interested.


           20                   Also, we received or I received a


           21              letter of thank you from Rich Brozinski from


           22              Telespond, we did send a letter on their


           23              behalf.  They were applying for the grant,


           24              we just sent a response they had applied for


           25              the grant, it's been submitted and they






            1              thank us for our letter of support.


            2                      And, lastly, after some negotiations


            3              between the school district, the city and


            4              Lackawanna County the county three-on-three,


            5              Lackawanna County three-on-three basketball


            6              tournament is returning to the City of


            7              Scranton.  It originated on the streets of


            8              the City of Scranton and then moved to


            9              Lackawanna County Stadium for a number of


           10              years, but this year it's going to be held


           11              July 19 and 20 and will be conducted at the


           12              Scranton High School parking lot which will


           13              give them a little bit more visibility and


           14              access to the tournament.  Applications and


           15              all should be out shortly.  Anything else?


           16              Fourth Order.  First speaker, Andy


           17              Sbaraglia.


           18                      MR. SBARAGLIA: Andy Sbaraglia,


           19              citizen of Scranton.  Fellow Scrantonian,


           20              want to talk about 5-M, a few minutes on


           21              that, that has to do with this loan to the


           22              Scranton/Lackawanna -- Lackawanna College,


           23              for Lackawanna College, and this is what


           24              they wanted to do with the money, they want


           25              us to furnish the new dormitory for the






            1              college.  They want us to pay for designing


            2              equipment, and various other capital


            3              improvements in connection with the facility


            4              and college and they want us to pay for


            5              their loan that they took out in 1998 when


            6              they bought the, you know -- when they were


            7              given, practically given the school.  It


            8              could be upward of $50 million, we have no


            9              idea what it's worth, there is no dollar


           10              amounts in it, so, you know, what you voted


           11              on, thank God there is another public


           12              hearing coming on it.


           13                      Okay, let's move into "J".  That has


           14              to deal with our favorite group of people up


           15              there at the municipal authority, they are


           16              coming up, they want to be -- well, their


           17              authority runs out this year and they want a


           18              50-year lease on their authority and I


           19              believe this is the time now to put a


           20              quarrelsome in this thing where the people


           21              in the Hill Section, the kids in the Hill


           22              Section can use that pool for free like they


           23              always did.  This is the only time you are


           24              going to be able to do it.  I don't care if


           25              what they do with the rest of the park, but






            1              the pool should be open to the kids at least


            2              in the Hill Section and it's a crime that


            3              they are not.  Okay, that's one.   Let's go


            4              to "I", our favorite one.  This has to do,


            5              of course, with Channel -- the new Channel


            6              61.  I call it Mayor Doherty's TV station,


            7              you call it "EC", Electric City, okay, but


            8              in all probability this thing is the


            9              mayor's.  He setup the commission that voted


           10              on it.  There is a lot of things being


           11              lodged against it, but this commission that


           12              he set up, I don't know if it's biased or


           13              not biased, but I was told that one of the


           14              members got a considerable COM-D block loan


           15              before he voted so last year, so I don't


           16              know if that had anything to do with voting,


           17              but it does bring up ethics and that thing


           18              should go before the Ethics Commission.


           19                      As you know, we had a lot of trouble


           20              with 61 and the mayor.  The mayor, not that


           21              61 did anything, they only showed what


           22              happened, what was going on here.  We were


           23              -- the cameras were pulled from this


           24              chambers, okay, they were put back in, but


           25              we almost had to go through a strip search






            1              to come up here to speak, that wasn't called


            2              for.  That was ridiculous, but this shoes


            3              the animosity this mayor had against the


            4              people who ran this channel only because


            5              they showed the truth.  Without open, honest


            6              and efficient government this republic will


            7              collapse.  It's time now for you to stand up


            8              for what is right.  You must look at your


            9              conscience and believe is this going to be


           10              open, honest and efficient or is if just


           11              another play to get more money out -- you


           12              know how this thing runs, $90,000 given


           13              away, I wouldn't even say -- I would say a


           14              grant even though you call it a loan, but it


           15              is a grant after three years, they don't


           16              have to pay it back, so you give them the


           17              $90,000 where you wouldn't give the other


           18              station anything only because the other


           19              station showed the truth.  They showed what


           20              happened here, how it happened, this is


           21              democracy in action and you want somebody


           22              that's going it be there and say, well, we


           23              are not going to show this, this looks bad.


           24              We show it once and maybe we'll have it


           25              replayed at 2:00 in the morning, so people






            1              can't watch it like they should.  Government


            2              is important to be watched.  It can never be


            3              shown to many times.  Even though it makes


            4              some of the people look bad, so be ti, it


            5              makes everybody look bad.  Some of the


            6              people at the podium I think they look bad,


            7              too, but at least they come to the podium.


            8              They are not saying things behind your back


            9              they are saying it to your face and that's


           10              all you can ask for democracy, people can


           11              get up and speak to you face-to-face and not


           12              behind closed doors or whatever or back


           13              doors or whatever.  Now is your chance to


           14              really do something, look into the options


           15              that you have at the present time and look


           16              at the legal ramifications of what you are


           17              doing.  I thank you.


           18                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you,


           19              Mr. Sbaraglia.  Ozzie Quinn.


           20                      MR. QUINN:  Good morning.  Ozzie


           21              Quinn, Taxpayers' Association.  I spoke with


           22              the county commissioners, that's what's


           23              printed in the paper and the school district


           24              and just using the figures now that we used


           25              in the last audit, we are now, just the






            1              principle now, city taxpayers, city


            2              taxpayers out of the same pocket are one


            3              half billion dollars in debt principal.  The


            4              school district is $185 million in debt in


            5              principal.  The commissioners $287 million


            6              debt principal and we have to use the


            7              figures from the old audit, that's half a


            8              billion dollars.  That's just principal, so


            9              what we are talking about long-term


           10              indebtedness of a billion dollars.


           11                      Now, I know government officials


           12              say, you know, you don't use long-term


           13              indebtedness.  Well, when I buy a car I


           14              don't say I'm buying my car for $20,000, I


           15              include the interest.  I just want to also


           16              explain why this principal and with the


           17              economic conditions that exist today not


           18              only in Scranton, but throughout the world


           19              and oil is now at $5 a gallon for people and


           20              there is approximately $2,000 homes in the


           21              City of Scranton and it will be $10 in


           22              January and if someone has a tank of


           23              250 gallons that's going to be $500 to fill


           24              up that tank in January, February, and March


           25              when your taxes are coming out.






            1                      So, I see that you are going to


            2              transfer project money today from one


            3              project to the other, I advise you to


            4              transfer some more money into situations for


            5              help health and safety of those people who


            6              are going to be paid and will not be able to


            7              pay because of the high taxes, the high wage


            8              tax and the economic conditions that exist.


            9                   Now, with this ECTV being transferred,


           10              this project, first of all, the Northeastern


           11              Pennsylvania Public Access TV on February 19


           12              filed a complaint with the Ethics


           13              Commission, certified letters were sent and


           14              received through receipts that they received


           15              they have no idea, nobody has any idea that


           16              they were received.


           17                      Now, going ahead and without due


           18              process, without any procedural justice you


           19              are going ahead and going ahead and going to


           20              approve $90,000, that's wrong.  Your lawyer


           21              will tell you that.  I hope he will.  Also,


           22              the fact is that there is appeal by the


           23              zoning board and they are putting that


           24              money, OECD money into 933 Prescott Avenue


           25              which is going to be used as collateral.






            1              It's wrong.  It's terribly wrong.  You


            2              are -- it's common sense you don't do these


            3              things.


            4                      Also, now, looking at this loan this


            5              $90,000 it's for 13 years.  Did you ever see


            6              a loan in the City of Scranton 13 years?  I


            7              haven't.  That's a grant.  And you know what


            8              happens, if they pay in three years, not pay


            9              off, if they hire three people in three


           10              years under the low to moderate income


           11              criteria of HUD that loan is no longer in


           12              existence, it's a grant, okay?  No longer


           13              they have to pay for that.


           14                      Now, that low to moderate income is


           15              a national objective, they have to meet that


           16              in order to get that loan, so obviously


           17              someone is hoodwinking somebody somewhere


           18              here and we the citizens whether it federal,


           19              state or local money it's taxpayers' money


           20              and we can't just throw it out the window


           21              like this by using deception of saying that


           22              it's an ordinance, pass it to a resolution


           23              that we can use this money and mind you, no


           24              public hearing by OECD as of yet, no public


           25              hearing.  It's outrageous.  How can you even






            1              introduce it without the Ethics Commission,


            2              without the due process of the Ethics


            3              Commission, without the appeal and without


            4              the public hearing.  It's just ridiculous


            5              and you cannot do it and I urge you, please,


            6              do not even introduce it today without


            7              that -- without these elements that I have


            8              just spoke about, and just put it aside.


            9              Put it aside, please.  Don't let the mayor


           10              just be, you know, to the symbiotic three


           11              that you have to do it.  Thank you.


           12                      MR. MCGOFF: Scott Thomas.


           13                      MR. THOMAS: Good morning.  My name


           14              is Scott Thomas and I'm the Board of


           15              Directors or Scranton Today and the current


           16              operators of Scranton 61 and 62.  I'm sure


           17              we are all aware of the circumstances that


           18              brought us to a place where Scranton Today


           19              will be losing control of the channels and


           20              Electric City TV will be taking over.  I do,


           21              however, think we need to be reminded of


           22              this, the three member committee that


           23              reviewed the bids selected ECTV without any


           24              public input and they never revealed why


           25              they chose ECTV except to say that theirs






            1              was the best proposal, whatever that means.


            2              When this decision was handed down we at


            3              Scranton Today were disappointed and, yes,


            4              some of us were outraged.  We asked for no


            5              start up costs.  ECTV proposed $313,000 in


            6              start up costs.  We had nine years


            7              experience managing the peg channel, ECTV


            8              had no experience.


            9                      We have been criticized for the lack


           10              of diversity in our programming but this is


           11              a misconception.  Look at our proposal which


           12              is on our website, it contains a long list


           13              of the programs that we have offered over


           14              the last nine years, programs that reflect a


           15              multitude of topics and viewpoints.


           16                      People complained that we repeat


           17              programs.  This is true.  This is a due to


           18              equipment limitations.  Our proposed first


           19              year operating budget included equipment


           20              upgrades that would have addressed this


           21              problem and that budget was still less than


           22              what ECTV was proposing.  In my opinion, our


           23              proposal built upon Scranton Today's proven


           24              commitment to open government and free and


           25              equitable public access and looked forward






            1              to a future with exciting possibilities.


            2                   Since the committee never revealed why


            3              they selected ECTV we are free to speculate.


            4              Perhaps, it is because one of the


            5              principals, Chris Balton, has a very


            6              impressive resume in video productions.  If


            7              this is, indeed, why the committee chose


            8              ECTV it shows they had a very poor


            9              understanding of what peg channels are all


           10              about.  While we should always strive for


           11              the highest technical and esthetic


           12              standards, community access is really about


           13              turning on the cameras, pointing the


           14              microphones and hoping against hope that you


           15              can see and hear your fellow citizens.  What


           16              it requires is a commitment to the mission


           17              and not an impressive resume.


           18                      It is not easy.  We are viewed by


           19              some as a public relations arm for the city


           20              because we once aired a program produced by


           21              the mayor.  Any innocent technical glitch is


           22              interpreted as a political statement.  We


           23              have been blamed for scaring away


           24              perspective employers.  Chris Balton, the


           25              main principal behind ECTV lacked the






            1              commitment necessary to operate a peg


            2              channel.  When things got tough for ECTV


            3              Balton bolted.  His name was removed from


            4              the ECTV website and the website itself that


            5              he maintained was taken down.  Who is left


            6              at ECTV and do we know anything about their


            7              commitment to open government and free and


            8              public access?


            9                      Items 5-G and 5-I should not pass


           10              and the city should reopen the bid process


           11              for Scranton's peg manager, however, if the


           12              dark day does arrive and ECTV does commence


           13              operation we the citizens must insist that


           14              they can continue to cover all municipal


           15              meetings currently covered by Scranton


           16              Today, that the meetings are broadcast at


           17              times when most people are awake, that the


           18              meetings are not edited or censored in any


           19              way and that we the citizens, regardless of


           20              our means or connections, are afforded


           21              access to ECTV free of charge or constraints


           22              so that we are not silenced when the plug is


           23              finally pulled on Scranton Today.  Thank


           24              you.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF: Barb O'Malley.






            1                      MS. O'MALLEY: Good morning.  My name


            2              is Barbara O'Malley, I'm a board member of


            3              Scranton Tomorrow and a long time volunteer


            4              with the station.  My remarks are about the


            5              potential funding for ECTV.  In 1996 a


            6              gathering of concerned and committed


            7              citizens was convened by the founders of


            8              Scranton Tomorrow.  The meeting was the


            9              first step of the forging the future


           10              initiative by the City of Scranton.  The


           11              participants, called stakeholders, came from


           12              all corners of this community with the


           13              common goal, a better Scranton.  Scranton


           14              Today, better known as Channel 61, is an


           15              outcome of this civic process.  The founding


           16              board members of Scranton Today,


           17              stakeholders who participated in this


           18              undertaking remain committed to the mission


           19              that grew out of the forging the future


           20              action plans, plans contained in this report


           21              to the community.


           22                      The plans called for utilizing media


           23              sources to encourage citizen involvement in


           24              the political and government process, in


           25              other words, an engaged and informed






            1              electorate.  In spite of this long-term


            2              commitment, Scranton Today was not chosen to


            3              continue managing 61, the station which has


            4              brought government to the public for the


            5              last nine years.  Electric City TV was


            6              selected instead.  Electric City TV was


            7              formed in January 2008 by cofounders Chris


            8              Balton and John Darcy.  Chris Balton


            9              supplied the technical knowledge while John


           10              Darcy, an employee of Paul Mansure, supplied


           11              the studio space.  ECTV's proposal


           12              identifies Chris Balton as the station's


           13              executive director of programming and the


           14              entity who submitted the proposal.


           15                      The proposal states:  "If you are


           16              looking for someone qualified to run the


           17              local peg station, Chris brings a wide range


           18              of experience."


           19                      However, all indicators are


           20              Mr. Balton is no longer associated with


           21              ECTV.  Today you have a loan agreement


           22              between Scranton OECD and ECTV in the amount


           23              of $90,000 of taxpayer money on the agenda.


           24              It appears that the remaining cofounder of


           25              ECTV, Mr. John Darcy, will be the individual






            1              responsible for signing the promissory note.


            2              ECTV's proposal has no information on


            3              Mr. Darcy's background or experience,


            4              however, a check of public records at the


            5              Lackawanna County Office of Judicial Records


            6              reveals Mr. Darcy may not be suited to


            7              assume fiduciary responsibility for the


            8              funds.  These public records cite two IRS


            9              federal income tax liens against Mr. Darcy


           10              totalling $14,534.83 and a Commonwealth of


           11              Pennsylvania tax lien against Mr. Darcy


           12              totalling $3,079.48 and a case from PG


           13              Energy against Mr. Darcy as well as another


           14              private business.  Again, this is public


           15              information which can be obtained at the


           16              Office of Judicial Records at the corner of


           17              Spruce and North Washington Avenue in


           18              Scranton.


           19                      As council members, your


           20              responsibility lies with the taxpayers of


           21              the City of Scranton.  Clearly, the


           22              departure of Mr. Balton, who also has a tax


           23              lien filed against him, and Mr. Darcy's


           24              public record has made ECTV a poor choice in


           25              which to invest public funds.  Scranton






            1              Today is a proven long-term entity who files


            2              a legitimate 501-C-3 organization which


            3              means they can raise funds which are tax


            4              deductible, ECTV is not in spite of


            5              television or newspaper reports.


            6                      Scranton Today is an organization


            7              whose audit reports, financial reports, and


            8              IRS 990's are on file for the public


            9              inspection.  Scranton Today has no debt, has


           10              paid all of it's taxes, and is in compliance


           11              with all local, state, and federal statutes.


           12              5-I and 5-G on today's agenda funding ECTV


           13              should be tabled and the bids for the


           14              management of Channel 61 revisited based on


           15              the information presented.  I will leave a


           16              copy of my findings with the city clerk.


           17              Thank you.


           18                      MR. MCGOFF: Annette Palugis.


           19                      MS. PALUGIS: Good morning.  I'm


           20              Annette Palugis, I'm the vice-president of


           21              the board of Scranton Today, Channel 61.  In


           22              summary, Channel 61 was denied the bid even


           23              though it was a lowest responsible bidder


           24              and ECTV who asked for a tremendous amount


           25              of money was given the bid and this






            1              tremendous amount of money, even though it


            2              was public information, was never published


            3              anywhere, was never in the newspaper and it


            4              was only referred to occasionally.  And you


            5              can imagine our surprise and our outrage


            6              when we discovered that the city was going


            7              to spend something like $300,000 for a


            8              station that we already had in existence,


            9              that we had a start up costs and so forth,


           10              but we decided we would try to walk away


           11              with some dignity, which I believe sometimes


           12              is an oxymoron in this town, and we accepted


           13              that.


           14                      On May 20 I opened a paper and saw,


           15              and I wrote it down so I could quote it


           16              exactly, saw this headline, "ECTV not


           17              seeking start up costs.  Mayor Doherty said


           18              ECTV must obtain it's own funding and he has


           19              not agreed to provide money to the


           20              organization."


           21                      Well, what happened to the bid?  I


           22              always assumed when you put in a bid and the


           23              bid was accepted then the terms and


           24              agreements of the bid were also going to be


           25              enacted.  All right.  The saga goes on.






            1              Today you have a motion before you that


            2              suggests that OECD will be a vehicle for


            3              $90,000 for ECTV.  Now, what happened to


            4              this statement that they must seek their own


            5              start-up costs?  This is like working with


            6              Jello.  You know, first you say do, then you


            7              say you don't.


            8                      Decisions and statements that are


            9              made here are made on innuendo, rumor,


           10              whatever.  I can't honor that and I'm here


           11              to speak the truth and the dead elephant in


           12              the middle of the room here is that we did


           13              not receive the bid, we did not receive the


           14              bid for the TV station because the mayor had


           15              personal grievances against the station.


           16              This is not rumor, this is not innuendo


           17              because the mayor said this to me many times


           18              personally and now you are going to give a


           19              $90,000 to a group of people that our


           20              evidence points to doesn't appear to be the


           21              type of people that should be running the


           22              station, and the man who had all of the


           23              credentials for all intensive purposes seems


           24              to be gone, and I guess he realized it was a


           25              losing battle or whatever, but now we are






            1              going to give this money to people that have


            2              no experience in television.  Is that a


            3              valid use of taxpayers' dollars?


            4                      And there is two other things on


            5              need to clear up:  One, I am sick to death


            6              of everybody implying that it's Channel 61's


            7              fault that there is chaos at some of these


            8              meetings.  Channel 61 is just the camera.


            9              We record what you do.  We don't even edit,


           10              and then in one of these articles at the


           11              same time we were accused of being


           12              political.  If we were political we would be


           13              editing what you say, but we don't have the


           14              bid because we weren't political.


           15                      And, finally, I think it's time that


           16              you took some responsibility for your


           17              actions.  I was a teacher for 44 years.  If


           18              my principal came into my room every week,


           19              month after month, year after year, and my


           20              room was in complete chaos and if I said to


           21              him, "Oh, it's not my fault, it's these


           22              terrible students you gave me."


           23                      And, finally, ladies and gentlemen,


           24              I ask you to please today table this motion,


           25              investigate the material that we gave you,






            1              put this out to bid again and return some


            2              dignity and honesty to city government.  We,


            3              the taxpayers, we deserve better.  Thank


            4              you.


            5                      MR. MCGOFF: Mr. Spindler.


            6                      MR. SPINDLER: Good morning, Council,


            7              Les Spindler, city resident, homeowner.


            8              Council wants to transfer $90,000 to ECTV,


            9              well, many times in the past Mrs. Fanucci


           10              has always stated that grant money can only


           11              be used what it was originally intended for,


           12              so why can you transfer this money to ECTV


           13              now?  Maybe because it's going to benefit


           14              Chris Doherty?  In the past you couldn't


           15              transfer grant money, but now all of a


           16              sudden you can transfer it and this is being


           17              a little hypocritical.  You have to vote


           18              this down today and do something to get


           19              Scranton Today back running Channel 61.


           20              Let's do what's right for the people of the


           21              city for a change.


           22                      Last week I was reading in the


           23              Doherty newsletter that again the city is


           24              going to appeal another lost arbitration and


           25              in the Doherty newsletter city lawyers are






            1              arguing that it's a violation of the revised


            2              Recovery Plan.


            3                      Well, what the Doherty newsletter


            4              doesn't say is that Mayor Doherty violates


            5              his own Recovery Plan with new hires and big


            6              raises he gives his friends, so it's only a


            7              one-sided statement in the Doherty


            8              newsletter and Mayor Doherty is just


            9              throwing out more taxpayer dollars.


           10                      Also, a day or two later in the


           11              Doherty newsletter there is a story about


           12              tax law requires monthly reports because the


           13              city hasn't been getting from the tax office


           14              and Mayor Doherty says, and I quote, "Am I


           15              supposed to know every law?"


           16                      Well, yeah, if you want to run the


           17              city and run it the right way you are


           18              supposed to know what the law is.  If you


           19              want to be mayor know what's going on.


           20                      Okay, this is really interesting.


           21              Last week in the supermarket a woman came up


           22              to me and stated that her son plays soccer


           23              down in the South Side complex every Sunday


           24              and in the beginning of this before the leak


           25              started every team had to come up with $500.






            1              Every Sunday every person that plays has to


            2              come up with $20 and this money goes to the


            3              University of Scranton.  How could this


            4              money go to the University when they do not


            5              own this field yet?  This is in litigation,


            6              they do not own this field.  I went down


            7              there Sunday and spoke to some people and


            8              they pay money.  There is a sign there


            9              "Property of the University of Scranton."


           10                      That's a lie.  They do not own this


           11              field.  It's in litigation and your


           12              solicitor can tell you that.  This is just


           13              another way maybe of Chris Doherty giving


           14              the $700,000 back to the "U" that the city


           15              got from them, so I think there should be an


           16              investigation into this.  These people


           17              should not be paying money to play soccer


           18              there on Sunday afternoon, and then they


           19              don't let people play softball there, they


           20              only let people play soccer on Sunday.


           21                      The next thing, it was always stated


           22              here by whoever was council president that


           23              nobody could come back to this podium and


           24              speak a second time, yet two weeks ago Doug


           25              Miller was allowed to come back to the






            1              podium and speak a second time, so is it


            2              going to be one way or another, but now a


            3              precedent has been set so now everybody


            4              should be able to come to this podium and


            5              speak twice.


            6                      Lastly, can somebody explain to me


            7              why these meetings are 10:00 in the morning


            8              and not noon like they have been every year?


            9              Mr. McGoff?


           10                      MR. MCGOFF: We chose 10:00.


           11                      MR. SPINDLER:  Why?  Is this just


           12              another way to stick it to the speakers that


           13              come to these meetings because a lot of


           14              people can't get here at 10:00?


           15                      MS. FANUCCI: It's all about you,


           16              Les.


           17                      MR. SPINDLER: You know, some of you


           18              do work.  I'm talking, all right?  Some of


           19              us do work, I was able to switch my lunch


           20              today and get here at 10:00, but it's really


           21              inconvenient and it's just another way of


           22              the council majority to stick it to the


           23              taxpayers, and you are very ignorant,


           24              Mrs. Fanucci.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF: Excuse me.






            1                      MS. FANUCCI: Right back at you, Les.


            2                      MR. SPINDLER: There is no excuse for


            3              you.


            4                      MS. FRANUS:  Fay Franus.  I want to


            5              mention about Channel 61.  The reason you


            6              don't want Channel 61 here is because it


            7              exposes you for what you are, Judy Gatelli,


            8              Bob McGoff and Sherry Fanucci, and that's


            9              the bottom line, selection here, and you


           10              don't want people to see what you to, how


           11              you act, how you treat people, and you don't


           12              have control, you want control, that's why


           13              you want to get rid of 61.  Channel 61 is


           14              like an x-ray machine, it exposes you, it


           15              sees right through you for the people to see


           16              what you really are and that's why you are


           17              afraid of them, and you will do anything in


           18              your power, and you don't listen to the


           19              people, that means nothing.  You are going


           20              to go and do what you want like you do every


           21              other time.


           22                      Now, I want to address and change


           23              the subject here a minute and go back to the


           24              subpoena issue since there was no meeting


           25              last week conveniently.  It says in the Home






            1              Rule Charter, "The council may make


            2              investigations," now, Mr. Minora made a


            3              statement when Judy was going to ask about a


            4              subpoena and said that council may make an


            5              investigation, he wanted them to make an


            6              investigation first, I'm quoting, "The


            7              council may make investigations into the


            8              affairs of city and the conduct of any


            9              department, office or agency and in aid of


           10              it's legislative powers and functions they


           11              may issue subpoenas for these purposes."


           12                      Meaning, you order the subpoena


           13              first and then you do the investigations.


           14              Mr. Minora says whatever he wants to make


           15              people believe what he is saying is true


           16              when it's not.  I asked Judy, I called her


           17              on the phone and I asked her if she would


           18              ask for a subpoena and she promised me that


           19              she would.  Then she said she was going to


           20              call Mr. Minora and I said, "All you have do


           21              is get the reasons, you stated you had to


           22              have reasons, there is plenty of reasons,


           23              look at the paper, you can find ten reasons


           24              why you want to subpoena him."


           25                      Okay, she promised me she would ask






            1              for a subpoena.  Comes to the meeting,


            2              Mr. Minora says, "Oh, Mr. Rinaldi and


            3              Mr. McDowell, they are going to come in."


            4                      Nobody said they are going to come


            5              in, maybe Mr. Rinaldi did, but Kenny


            6              McDowell said he would, nobody could find


            7              the man, standing on the street corner, but


            8              you can't get him to answer any questions.


            9                   Again, the Scranton Times, Stacy Brown


           10              puts in, "Judy Gatelli wants the subpoena on


           11              Kenny McDowell," makes her look good.  She


           12              looks good saying to Mr. Minora, "I want a


           13              subpoena."


           14                      In reality she does not want a


           15              subpoena.  No way does she want a subpoena.


           16              She, Mr. McGoff and Mrs. Fanucci are all


           17              covering for Doherty to take care of


           18              Mr. McDowell, so the conversation --


           19                      MR. MCGOFF: Excuse me --


           20                      MS. FANUCCI: That's in accurate and


           21              I won't let you say that about me.


           22                      MS. FRANUS:  Point of order.


           23                      MS. FANUCCI: Wait, to say it is not


           24              fact.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF: Point of order is that






            1              you are making accusations.


            2                      MS. FRANUS:  I am.  It's my opinion.


            3                      MR. MCGOFF: No, it's not.


            4                      MS. FRANUS:  In my opinion.


            5                      MR. MCGOFF: No, it's not an opinion.


            6              It's not an opinion.


            7                      MS. FRANUS:  It's my opinion that


            8              you are covering up.


            9                      MR. MCGOFF: That's not an opinion.


           10                      MS. FRANUS:  That's not an opinion


           11              that you covering up?


           12                      MR. MCGOFF: That's it's improper and


           13              out of order.


           14                      MS. FRANUS:  Okay, I'm going to say


           15              it again, in my opinion you are covering it


           16              up.  That's my opinion.


           17                      MR. MCGOFF: That's not an opinion.


           18              Just because you use the word does not make


           19              it an opinion.


           20                      MS. FRANUS:  All right, listen to


           21              me.


           22                      MR. MCGOFF: It's out of order.


           23                      MS. FRANUS:  Okay, I'm out of order,


           24              now, so be it, now you continue to listen,


           25              it's my turn.  Now, I'm saying when I spoke






            1              to Mrs. Gatelli on the phone she said she


            2              was not going to ask for a subpoena because


            3              she was going to listen to her attorney.


            4              Okay.  Since Mr. Minora doesn't feel there


            5              should be a subpoena why doesn't somebody


            6              else ask for a subpoena?  I said, "Okay,


            7              suppose Mrs. Evans and Mr. Courtright did,


            8              would you vote for it?"


            9                      She said, "No."


           10                      I rest my case.


           11                      She said, "There is nothing I can do


           12              to satisfy you."


           13                      I said, "Yes, there is, you could


           14              ask for a subpoena."


           15                      She wouldn't and it went back and


           16              forth.


           17                      Then a couple of weeks ago when I


           18              called she was busy and she didn't get back


           19              to me until four days later and then she


           20              said to me, "Here is my cell phone number


           21              instead of my home number, call this number


           22              any time you want I'll be glad to call you


           23              back," which was nice.  So, that day I call


           24              here and about the subpoena.  At the end of


           25              the conversation because she didn't want to






            1              ask for a subpoena and I was putting her


            2              feet to the fire about it because I really


            3              wanted her to and she wasn't going to do it,


            4              but she says at council she wants to and


            5              says in the paper to make herself look good,


            6              she said to me, "This is a private number,


            7              if you call this number again I will call


            8              the police and I will have you arrested."


            9                      I said, "Okay."


           10                      She repeated it again.  I said,


           11              "Judy, you have to be crazy, you just gave


           12              me this number and told me to call whenever


           13              I wanted," but that's neither here nor


           14              there.


           15                      I don't know what to say here.  I


           16              just don't want to say.  I think I had a


           17              right to say what I felt with her and she


           18              basically is just telling them one thing to


           19              try to get me off her back and she figures


           20              if she says what I want to hear.


           21                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mrs. Franus.


           22                      MS. FRANUS:  And one more thing, it


           23              says there shall be a meeting, Home Rule


           24              Charter says, Mr. McGoff, one question it


           25              says the it says here, for the meeting that






            1              was cancelled last week, I called you, you


            2              called me back.


            3                      MR. MCGOFF: And I responded.


            4                      MS. FRANUS:  Yes, you did and thank


            5              you.  It says here in the Home Rule Charter,


            6              "Council shall meet once a week in a regular


            7              session in regular council chambers."


            8                      Shall meet, and you said to me that


            9              you were busy and others were busy, you


           10              should have been here.  You should have


           11              reschedule it for Friday night.


           12                      MR. MINORA: If I may, if I may just


           13              so it's clear, she only gave you a half


           14              dissertation of the law, we are also


           15              governed by the Second Class City Municipal


           16              Code which contains an in-depth requirement


           17              before subpoenas are issued by council, I


           18              think I have explained that to you in the


           19              past, that does not mentioned to you by the


           20              last speaker.


           21                      MR. MCGOFF: Marie Schumacher.


           22                      MS. SCHUMACHER: Marie Schumacher.


           23              I'll start off with my typical question when


           24              you make transfers and may I ask how much


           25              will remain in account 02-0234 if this






            1              transfer is, in fact, approved?


            2                      If you go to the OECD page and click


            3              on doing business in Scranton you will find


            4              a 14-page document.  On page seven, you will


            5              find information on the Grow Scranton Fund


            6              which I will quickly read:  "Financing


            7              business enterprises most often requires


            8              outside assistance.  The most appropriate


            9              first step is to contact a private lending


           10              institution.  You will need to provide a


           11              business plan, cash flow projections,


           12              three year's company tax returns if


           13              applicable, personal financial statements,


           14              and personal tax returns also three years.


           15                   A great many public and private funding


           16              sources that may offer financial support to


           17              new businesses are also available.  One


           18              example is the Grow Scranton Fund


           19              administered by Scranton's Office of


           20              Economic and Community Development which


           21              offers loans from $25,000 to a $1 million,


           22              SBA guaranteed, low equity requirement,


           23              flexible underwriting, community based, no


           24              prepayment penalties, loans may be used to


           25              purchase real estate, renovate business






            1              premises, by inventory, machinery and


            2              equipment or serve as working capital."


            3                      So, you can see that if, if 5-I was


            4              really a loan and not a grant which is in


            5              essence a gift from the taxpayers a separate


            6              account would not be required.  The OECD


            7              Grow Greener Fund could have been used.


            8              There are also other funding sources


            9              available such as the Lackawanna County


           10              Industrial Development Authority, so the


           11              real question is why the subterfuge, why the


           12              slight of hand that presents something as a


           13              loan but is really a grant or a gift as


           14              explained by Mr. Osborne earlier?


           15                      When a company is being formed


           16              employees are needed so setting the


           17              requirement for converting this loan to a


           18              gift by hiring three people.  Now, how could


           19              you not do that?  So, is it really and truly


           20              a gift, it's a grant from the get-go and I'm


           21              sorry that the mayor chose this subterfuge.


           22                   This $90,000 could have been used to


           23              help many in the community, just today there


           24              was a complaint about disabled people


           25              driving their battery powered chairs in the






            1              street instead of the sidewalk.  Scranton


            2              Police Captain Graziano responded, "The way


            3              some sidewalks are cut doesn't allow for the


            4              motorized chairs to be ridden safely on


            5              them."


            6                      And the disabled users need to be


            7              accommodated by allowing the motorized


            8              chairs and scooters on streets.  This


            9              $90,000 could be used to make the streets


           10              save.  The needs of this distressed city are


           11              many and very real.  This slight of hand


           12              ordinance should be retitled the reverse


           13              robin hood ordinance is it takes funds


           14              provided for the poor/low and middle income


           15              people to give to the rich.


           16                      Per ECTV's lawyer the documentation


           17              that would allow them to be tax exempt is


           18              not even filed so, in fact, they are not


           19              collecting tax free donations they are


           20              dependent on the city taxpayers and I think


           21              that is wrong, wrong, wrong.


           22                      Next topic, last week I picked up


           23              this brochure, it's a nice glossy brochure


           24              on Nay Aug Park, the mayor is prominently


           25              mentioned in the middle of the first fold






            1              and I would like to read what it says down


            2              here about pool and waterslide complex,


            3              "Open Memorial Day through Labor Day."


            4                      Now, even the monopoly newspaper got


            5              it correct last Saturday when it reported


            6              the opening of the city's pools is


            7              traditionally tied to the Scranton School


            8              District calendar.  Who is in charge of


            9              disseminating this incorrect information?


           10                   And speaking of who is in charge, at


           11              the May 6 meeting Mr. Courtright stated that


           12              the civil service test wasn't given.  Why


           13              isn't -- I'm sorry, wasn't given fast enough


           14              so there was no where to draw or police


           15              officers.


           16                      Now, who was in charge of scheduling


           17              the civil service exams?  Mr. Courtright,


           18              would you please answer that during motions


           19              today.  I'll be back with the rest next


           20              week.  Thank you.


           21                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mrs.


           22              Schumacher.  Dave Dobson.


           23                      MR. DOBSON:  Good morning, City


           24              Council, Dave Dobson, resident, member of


           25              the Scranton Taxpayers' Association






            1              associate.  I'd like to also speak for


            2              Channel 61 today.


            3                      Some things I would like to point


            4              out, I made a small list here, Channel 61


            5              has been denied allocations and lost paid


            6              employees and many of the complaints


            7              recently about programming and so forth are


            8              prompted by this because they just don't


            9              have the ability with the small amount of


           10              money that they have requested to go on and


           11              it's really a shame to fault somebody after


           12              when you are actually implicated in the part


           13              of the problem.  It's inexpensive, it's


           14              unedited.


           15                      My involvement with them I had to


           16              drop off my seat at the table on the


           17              Taxpayers' Association and become


           18              videographer because we lost our


           19              videographer and that's why you have seen me


           20              at times up there getting instructions so


           21              that I don't mess up the broadcast.  A few


           22              weeks ago I hit the wrong button due to some


           23              changes in the board and we lost video.  So


           24              certainly I was more than interested in


           25              straightening that out.






            1                      Now, on some of these public


            2              subsidiaries or public donations, when WVIA


            3              lost it's tax subsidiary, their programming


            4              started to change and I'm not criticizing,


            5              but, for instance, there was a program to be


            6              aired, the high cost of shops at Wal-Mart


            7              and apparently Wal-Mart coaches it's


            8              employees and advises them on how many


            9              welfare benefits they will qualify for at


           10              their wage level and their amount of members


           11              of their family and so forth and in essence


           12              you are paying, you are paying the wages so


           13              somebody could show up at Wal-Mart for a job


           14              and it was never aired.  We got to do


           15              instead a fundraiser and several months


           16              later, well, I noticed that Wal-Mart had


           17              donated money to WVIA or PBS, public


           18              broadcasting system more or less.


           19                      George Seldice once -- he was a


           20              newspaper man back in the earlier part of


           21              the last century and he was the author of a


           22              book "Tell the Truth and Run" and he pointed


           23              out how many newspapers and so forth they


           24              are full of commercials, they are full of


           25              ads and if you crossed these people your






            1              newspaper is finished, it's not going to be


            2              -- it's not ever going to get the ads, you


            3              can't call somebody a desk post and walk


            4              away and expect them to run a two-page ad


            5              and he actually had -- he actually had


            6              cancellations of articles because the


            7              people -- the news issues he was covering


            8              took out a four-page ad.


            9                      And constantly describing citizens


           10              as terrorizing in the Times that's -- people


           11              can watch this and see that we are not


           12              terrorists and I kind of resent any kind of


           13              implication that we are harassing people or


           14              terrorizing them.


           15                      Dave Allen was he was connected with


           16              the other proposal and he has written


           17              several letters to the Ethics Committee and


           18              signatures have been given for this -- these


           19              letter deliveries and nobody seems to know


           20              anything about them.  The review board,


           21              well, a few weeks ago I noticed the person


           22              speaking from the review board that awarded


           23              that contract and she was complaining about


           24              having the pay high fees for vendors and so


           25              forth, well, sometimes we reap what we sow.






            1              I'll be back next week hopefully and thank


            2              you and have a good day.


            3                      MR. MCGOFF: Any other speakers?


            4                      MR. LYMAN: Raymond Lyman.  I got a


            5              couple of questions, number one, about


            6              Electric City TV, I think it's kind assadine


            7              (ph) that Electric City should not be given


            8              this $90,000.  Scranton Today should be


            9              here, here and forever for, number one,


           10              those cameras should be put back on the air.


           11              Chris Doherty should not have a right to


           12              take those cameras out.  Now, I know


           13              Scranton Today took them out, but for one


           14              they should be put back on because there is


           15              somebody else running for mayor, a poor guy


           16              and it's not Gary DiBileo it is me because I


           17              think Chris Doherty, now, I can't use the


           18              word criminal, but he did acts that in my


           19              eyes are wrong, $12.9 million, him and Ken


           20              McDowell, Andy Jarbola, Andy Jarbola said in


           21              the Scranton Times no crime was committed,


           22              those were his words.  The FBI raided the


           23              tax office.  Rinaldi, the lawyer, for the


           24              tax office didn't do nothing about it, right


           25              there suspicious, kind of didn't do nothing.






            1              Rinaldi owes back taxes, but yet you four


            2              pass an ordinance to steal people's houses


            3              away.  I'm ashamed of that, and you four are


            4              going to pass this ordinance because you do


            5              everything with the mayor says.


            6                      Amil Minora, Gilhooley worked for


            7              the county and he was on city council, Amil


            8              Minora works for the District Attorney, he


            9              is also city solicitor, I don't think he


           10              should be sitting there as city solicitor.


           11              I think that's criminal.


           12                      MR. MCGOFF: That's out of order.


           13                      MR. LYMAN:  That's not out of order.


           14              It's my opinion.


           15                      MR. MCGOFF: It's out of order.


           16                      MR. LYMAN: Well, remember Gilhooley.


           17                      MR. MCGOFF:  Excuse me.


           18                      MR. LYMAN: Gilhooley was a city


           19              councilman and he was a warden and there was


           20              a law that says you can't have two jobs.


           21              Amil Minora is a district attorney and he is


           22              city solicitor and I want that investigated.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF: Please


           24                      MS. FANUCCI: Ray, he can have two


           25              jobs.






            1                      MR. LYMAN; don't you tried to


            2              threaten me because I'm running for mayor.


            3                      MS. FANUCCI: I'm not threatening


            4              you.  Obey the rules.


            5                      MR. LYMAN: I am obeying the rules,


            6              I'm not fighting with nobody.


            7                      MS. FANUCCI: Well, you are not


            8              allowed to say statements that aren't


            9              accurate and say things about people.


           10                      MR. LYMAN: I'm not threatening, I'm


           11              not fighting with nobody, but it is the


           12              truth.


           13                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Ray, move on to


           14              something else, would you, please?  Okay?


           15              Go onto something else.


           16                      MR. LYMAN: Number two, I want -- we


           17              have people here that said we fight with


           18              city council, you guys fight the people.


           19              You guys act like, you know, the child.  I


           20              went to Duryea, I wasn't to their city


           21              council meetings and people come up to me


           22              and they say, oh, you go to those city


           23              council meetings and they said to me, it's


           24              not the people that go to city council that


           25              speak, it's your city council members that






            1              act like fools and I'm not putting you guys


            2              down but if the shoe fits wear it.


            3                      MR. MINORA: I have to correct


            4              another legal fallacy that the Hatch Act


            5              applies to federal employees holding public


            6              office not appointed --


            7                      MR. LYMAN:  Well, Gilhooley --


            8                      MR. MCGOFF: Quiet, please.


            9                      MR. LYMAN: (Unintelligible comment.)


           10                      MR. MINORA: If I could just finish,


           11              is that he demonstrated a very poor


           12              understanding of a Hatch Act.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.


           14              Mr. Gervasis.


           15                      MR. GERVASI: Good morning, City


           16              Council.  My name is Dave Gervasi, I'm a


           17              citizen of the City of Scranton.  I have


           18              just a few comments, and I'm sorry, I wasn't


           19              coming, I heard some controversy and it's


           20              what motivated me to come down here.  Before


           21              I make the comments I want to make I just


           22              want to bring everybody through a brief


           23              little history lesson because, you know, we


           24              have been beat up in the newspaper for years


           25              when the union leadership that come here to






            1              speak, fire, police, clerical, DPW and just


            2              a little bit of a review because for some


            3              reason you feel a little bit vindicated when


            4              some very, very credible come up to speak.


            5                      Years ago when we started coming to


            6              meetings talking to city council about


            7              various issues we had with the city, before


            8              the cameras were rolling, by the way, all of


            9              a sudden it seemed that this administration


           10              they tried everything in their power to get


           11              these cameras turned off over the years and


           12              I don't think we have to review details, but


           13              I think everyone remembers why it may have


           14              taken four months to paint this chamber and


           15              how hard it was for everyone to find out


           16              where the meetings were going to be next and


           17              that used to be during the referendum


           18              campaign or the Recovery Plan and it was


           19              obvious and transparent to most of us that


           20              worked for the city why the mayor was to


           21              doing things like that because he didn't


           22              want people to get the information.


           23                      As that proceeded I mean, maybe


           24              Mrs. Fanucci can look, and I went back in


           25              that little back room because the last time






            1              they tried to throw Channel 61 out of there


            2              they were done HVAC work back there, I was


            3              there the other day, we were at a meeting


            4              there and I went back just to check on it


            5              and they never did any HVAC work back there,


            6              that was another lie by the mayor and some


            7              of his cabinet members.


            8                      So these things happen over and over


            9              and over again and, of course, the newspaper


           10              and the powers that be here in city hall


           11              what they would do instead of trying to


           12              dissuade people from coming to council


           13              meetings or trying to dissuade Channel 61


           14              from taping council meetings or from showing


           15              council meeting.  For years what they would


           16              do is attack the speakers, we all heard the


           17              names, Legion of Doomers, and all of that,


           18              Nelson comes here and very eloquently at


           19              every meeting reminds you of the names we


           20              have all been called, but I can understand


           21              why some people would believe that because,


           22              you know, basically we are special


           23              interests, myself, you know, I'm a


           24              leadership in the fire union, so I have told


           25              people over and over and it's been on tape,






            1              it's been on live TV that what I say is


            2              true, I'm not coming here lying or playing


            3              political games I just kind of tell it like


            4              it is and counter what the newspaper or the


            5              mayor has said about our department and


            6              other union leaders have done that and the


            7              citizens have come on behalf of their


            8              neighborhood associations or on behalf of


            9              themselves, and for years and years and


           10              years it just seems like it was very obvious


           11              to all of us that they were just trying to


           12              shut us down.


           13                      Now, today I come and I see three


           14              people, three very, very, very fine credible


           15              upstanding citizens from the City of


           16              Scranton who volunteer their times for


           17              charitable organizations, civic


           18              organizations and other things.  I have been


           19              acquaintances with one or two of them, and


           20              they come here and they tell you, frankly,


           21              right out that Mayor Doherty didn't like


           22              Channel 61 and what was being at council


           23              meetings.  And obviously, I think, well, to


           24              me, my opinion is they told the truth what


           25              they said here today and I think it was very






            1              courageous for them to come up and do that


            2              and tell everyone the truth.  You heard it


            3              here today.  The mayor doesn't want council


            4              playing, so it kind of vindicates every else


            5              over the years that have been fighting this


            6              like Mr. Courtright and Mr. DiBileo and


            7              Mrs. Evans who have been fighting to keep


            8              these cameras rolling and what do we have?


            9                   Well, I'm a firefighter, so I'm going


           10              to cut to the chase and give you my


           11              speculation and my opinion.  This has been,


           12              and we have said it here before, this is


           13              nothing but a hostile takeover so that they


           14              can suppress the information going to the


           15              citizens of the City of Scranton and


           16              especially now and my big question I have


           17              now is why is Mr. Balton not there anymore?


           18              I had an occasion to speak to Mr. Balton a


           19              few times and he seemed like a pretty


           20              upstanding reasonable guy who actually had a


           21              problem with Scranton Today because they


           22              weren't showing council meetings enough.


           23                   And I also know in talking to members


           24              of the board of Scranton Today that they


           25              were being pressured by this administration






            1              to shut these cameras down and they would


            2              even go so far as to drag Austin Burke out


            3              of the Chamber of Commerce to say it's


            4              causing businesses to not come to the City


            5              of Scranton, which is ridiculous.


            6                      This has been the MO for this


            7              administration since the beginning and now


            8              you heard it today from very, very credible


            9              people.  Don't listen to a union head or a


           10              council crazy or whatever they call us, you


           11              heard it from credible people.  This thing


           12              needs to be tabled, this thing needs to be


           13              thrown out and you need to give Scranton


           14              Today people that will sit on a board who


           15              also has members that are closely affiliated


           16              with Mayor Doherty and they sit there and


           17              they decide what's played and what's not


           18              played and they do is it because they are a


           19              complete group of this community and they


           20              make the right decisions and they have been


           21              making the right decisions from this time on


           22              and they should be running this because they


           23              are not going to be prejudiced, they are not


           24              going to edit anything and they are going to


           25              show real life democracy at work, and I






            1              thank everybody for coming today.  Thank you


            2              for letting me speak.


            3                      MR. MCGOFF: Mr. Gervasi, can I just


            4              ask you one question, it has nothing to do


            5              with what you said?


            6                      MR. GERVASI: Sure.


            7                      MR. MCGOFF:  The torch run on


            8              Friday, do you have any information?


            9                      MR. GERVASI: That would -- the


           10              police usually run it.  Talk to the police


           11              department.


           12                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.


           13                      MR. LASKE:  Hi, Amil?


           14                      MR. MINORA: Mrs. Laske.


           15                      MR. LASKE: Hi, everybody.  I come


           16              down and I listen to these speakers and I


           17              have to say I agree with them


           18              wholeheartedly, they are not selling you a


           19              bill of goods, somebody wants Channel 61


           20              off.  No, I haven't been down here for a


           21              long time for the simple reason it's like


           22              whipping a dead horse.  To talk to you, it


           23              falls on deaf ears.  Now, this is why I'm


           24              here today and I hope Judy comes back in


           25              time to hear this, the mayor wants to borrow






            1              $11 million, this is just my honest opinion,


            2              I think that the time has come when the


            3              mayor has borrowed enough money, put the


            4              city in the whole deep enough, it used to be


            5              that my grandchildren had a chance to get


            6              out of hock, now, I have two great


            7              grandchildren and they are going to be


            8              indebted with what his shenanigans.  He


            9              borrowed millions and millions of dollars, I


           10              fail to see the city moving forward.  Our


           11              roads are deplorable, there is more houses


           12              for sale than there have been in my lifetime


           13              and I am 80 years old.  My God, when is it


           14              going to stop?


           15                      Now, I can't do anything about


           16              making the decision about telling hem not to


           17              borrow $11 million, I come here as a


           18              taxpayer and ask you to tell Mr. Doherty,


           19              and it's nothing personal, Chris is a friend


           20              of mine, that he has borrowed enough, we


           21              have went the limit and I'm not doing it


           22              anymore.  If you need my house that bad,


           23              1092 West Market Street, come up and take


           24              the darn thing.  I'm paying too many taxes


           25              and I just can't afford it anymore.  Thank






            1              you.  Now, let your conscience be your


            2              guide.  Judy?


            3                      MS. GATELLI: Yes.


            4                      MR. LASKE: Hurry up back.  I got a


            5              minute left.  I gave a speech here for you


            6              and it's -- I just come to see you, baby.


            7              Okay, Judy, I'm here to ask you, I'm asking


            8              the council as the five people that could


            9              stop Mr. Doherty from borrowing $11 million


           10              more.  Now, what you do, let your conscience


           11              be your guide, but I'm going to tell you


           12              one, I don't give mad often, but you are


           13              going to have a mad Lithwok on your hands if


           14              you give him any money at all.  Thank you


           15              very much.


           16                      MR. HUBBARD: Good evening, Council,


           17              Daniel Hubbard.  The purpose of this


           18              statement today is to rescind the multiple


           19              accusations and negative remarks I have made


           20              at Scranton City Council meetings regarding


           21              Daron Northeast.  The following statements


           22              which were made were misleading, malicious


           23              and without merit.  Among the false


           24              statements I made about Daron Northeast


           25              where I stated that they were not in






            1              compliance and that they exploited loopholes


            2              to get the company up and running.


            3                      Daron Northeast followed the proper


            4              variances with regard to manufacturing


            5              operations in the City of Scranton and did


            6              nothing to exploit the City or the zoning


            7              officials.  Daron submitted all proper


            8              applications and received all appropriate


            9              approvals to begin it's operations in 2003.


           10                   I also stated that Daron Northeast


           11              violated local zoning ordinances 30 some


           12              times.  I have and still have no basis for


           13              that accusation.  To my knowledge there is


           14              not one zoning ordinance being violated by


           15              Daron Northeast at this time.


           16                      I have accused the city


           17              administration of protecting Daron Northeast


           18              and lining their pockets as a result of


           19              that.  I have no basis for that accusation


           20              whatsoever.  Daron Northeast has followed


           21              all proper channels and guidelines


           22              establishing it's business within the city


           23              limits.


           24                      My statements accusing Daron


           25              Northeast of long-term damage as a result of






            1              their operations and operating illegally and


            2              polluting the environment and killing


            3              residents were made recklessly and without


            4              any merit whatsoever.  I have no reason to


            5              believe that these statements have any truth


            6              whatsoever.  For these reason, I am hereby


            7              retracting the above statements that I made


            8              about Daron Northeast at city council


            9              meetings.


           10                      I hope council appreciates and


           11              enjoys the time with their family while they


           12              have it over the summer.  Thank you and have


           13              a good day.


           14                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr. Hubbard.


           15                      MR. MCCLOE: My name is Brett McCloe,


           16              Scranton taxpayer.  I think that was


           17              probably one of the saddest things I have


           18              ever heard.  I don't know what it is about


           19              this city that makes people have to bow down


           20              -- excuse me, that thing just teared me up a


           21              little bit.  I wanted to say something, I


           22              haven't been here in a couple of -- a month


           23              or so and I guess what I was writing over


           24              the past couple of weeks it really comes


           25              around.  One of the things that always






            1              passed through my mind was how overrated the


            2              notions of leadership, how overrated it is.


            3              How do we follow -- the traditional Scranton


            4              response is what you just heard, do as you


            5              are told.  I'm sorry, I just got a little


            6              overwhelmed because what I saw here was


            7              exactly what I was writing about.


            8                      Mrs. Gatelli made a compelling


            9              statement three weeks ago, she said she was


           10              finance chairperson by default.  How does


           11              such a strong-willed person, a feisty person


           12              such as herself get put anywhere by default?


           13              What kind of message did this send to the


           14              people of Scranton?  How do we follow?


           15                      Mr. Courtright, as a marshal art's


           16              instructor, a teacher of decisive thinking


           17              above all, you know the mental discipline it


           18              takes to hurl a man through the air, break a


           19              board with your hand and endure tings I


           20              can't even imagine.  Every scenario has a


           21              carefully choreographed set of decisive


           22              moments that affect the outcome of any


           23              engagement.  You are always thinking, but


           24              somewhere between the motions and agenda


           25              items you get handcuffed and blindfolded by






            1              red tape and bureaucracy.


            2                      I think you need to ask yourself


            3              what you need to do to make every issue a


            4              fair fight.  Don't let bureaucracy get in


            5              the way of your gut instincts and your


            6              decisions how do we follow.  How we follow


            7              says more about what and who we are as a


            8              people than all of the accomplishments and


            9              all of the leaders in Scranton combined.


           10                   Some follow out of fear.  I think


           11              sometimes we just might have saw that.  Some


           12              follow out of losing standing within the


           13              community or hope for a favor or reward, the


           14              city has played with those types and it


           15              shows in how we vote both politically -- how


           16              we vote both locally and nationally.


           17                      At the opposite end of the spectrum


           18              are those who follow a vision that does not


           19              directly benefit themselves, who bring real


           20              progress and real prosperity.  In World War


           21              II, manufacturing and political leaders of


           22              our country came up with a vision on how to


           23              supply our troops with the arsenal of


           24              democracy.  It was the passion of the


           25              followers who got the job done.






            1                      Progress, prosperity through fair


            2              and open and honest and economic development


            3              must start with the championing the


            4              advancement of the bottom rungs of the


            5              economic ladder where brochures of trade


            6              schools lie unread on the coffee table.


            7              It's a place where no one told them the


            8              difference between what they want to do and


            9              what they need to do to get it, where real


           10              progress is measured in three to five dollar


           11              an hour increments.  Street fares and walks


           12              through the park are only served to help the


           13              people forget the financial woes of the day


           14              and will never be a symbol of progress or


           15              prosperity as long as the survival of the


           16              financially fittest mindset is in play.  We


           17              will never raise the passions of those who


           18              will follow as long as our officials cannot


           19              be trusted as their own envisions and


           20              interest.  Who do you guys follow?


           21                      People of Scranton, we need to


           22              reevaluate what it means to follow before we


           23              get to a future that looks nothing like the


           24              vision that is being sold to us today.  I am


           25              sorry for being emotional earlier, it just






            1              overwhelmed me a little bit to see what


            2              happens to people in this town because of


            3              the power structure and the way you guys do


            4              business.


            5                      MS. KNIGHT:  Geraldine Knight, I'm a


            6              resident of Scranton and I haven't been here


            7              for a long time.  Two things have been


            8              bothering me the most, one was what our


            9              money was doing in the federal bank.  That


           10              startled me and Mrs. Evans offered $20,000


           11              to keep Channel 61.  Now, if -- I don't know


           12              how much money will it make, but I gather


           13              you are in quite a bit of a -- not a $25,000


           14              a year job, and not that that makes any


           15              difference, but if you were going out to buy


           16              a TV and there was only two on the counter


           17              would you by the one for the 20,000 or would


           18              you by the one that was close to $300,000


           19              which is not going to give you nothing but


           20              garbage.  So, if you all -- if you have any


           21              brains, which I'm -- only know a few out


           22              there that do, think about it.


           23                      And second of all, when I think of


           24              all the bank and the money I was a teller in


           25              two banks, one in New York and one up here






            1              in Pennsylvania, and when I opened up


            2              accounts for people there were always names


            3              written, signed on the bottom and you got a


            4              social security card and you got their


            5              driver's license and they were copied, whose


            6              name is on this account that has all of this


            7              money in the federal bank, can anybody tell


            8              me up there?  I'd like an answer now not


            9              when I leave.


           10                      MS. FANUCCI: Are we talking about


           11              the tax office?


           12                      MS. KNIGHT: Yeah.


           13                      MS. FANUCCI: Okay, so when you


           14              saying about accounts --


           15                      MS. KNIGHT: Yeah, but do you --


           16                      MS. FANUCCI:  -- and what name was


           17              on it, what were your -- well, it was done


           18              electronically.  It was not -- there was not


           19              someone who goes everyday and says, "Here's


           20              the specific --"


           21                      MS. KNIGHT:  No, no, no.  That


           22              account had a name --  when it first started


           23              there had to be a name, I beg your pardon,


           24              Honey, there had to be a name on the


           25              account.






            1                      MS. FANUCCI: Well, Kenny's, but it


            2              was the tax office, it's the tax office


            3              account so it would be whoever was in charge


            4              of the tax office at the time.


            5                      MS. KNIGHT: Whose name?


            6                      MS. FANUCCI: Actually from what I'm


            7              gathering now that account actually had


            8              money in before Ken, so it might have


            9              actually been whoever was beforehand, so I'm


           10              not sure.


           11                      MS. KNIGHT: We have an attorney over


           12              here, so brilliantly you are, I hear.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF: Excuse me.  Excuse me.


           14              You are being given an answer and you are


           15              not listening.


           16                      MS. KNIGHT: I didn't want.  She is


           17              not really knowing -- I know what she was


           18              trying to say, but she is a whipping it


           19              around.


           20                      MR. MCGOFF: No.  She is a giving you


           21              an answer and it would be the same answer


           22              that Attorney Minora would give you or I'm


           23              assuming anyone else on council.  Deposits


           24              were being made through the tax office by


           25              the tax collector whoever it was at the time






            1              that the deposits were made.


            2                      MS. KNIGHT: Who was that then?


            3                      MR. MCGOFF: At different times -- at


            4              one point in time it was Ken McDowell, prior


            5              to that it was Joe Doherty, I think prior to


            6              that he Ed Walsh, so whoever was the tax


            7              collector at the time.


            8                      MS. KNIGHT:  So in quote, all of


            9              these three quote gentlemen knew about it?


           10              If you are putting the money in --


           11                      MR. MCGOFF: There was an account


           12              that's already been added to.


           13                      MS. KNIGHT:  If you are putting the


           14              money in.


           15                      MR. MCGOFF: Yes, they knew there was


           16              an account, that's already been admitted to,


           17              not admitted to --


           18                      MS. KNIGHT: But if you are putting


           19              the money in every week and you are coming


           20              back with a statement every month or weekly


           21              or however they do it you would known that


           22              you have $100,000, 200, 300, 400 and I don't


           23              how much interest on top of that.  So, how


           24              come these three people get away with this


           25              and is allowed to do it?  How do you people






            1              up there -- and you know what bothers me the


            2              most, Judy, you are one of them.


            3                      MS. GATELLI: I figured I would be


            4              one of them.  That wasn't hard to figure


            5              out.


            6                      MS. KNIGHT:  And I'm not against


            7              religion, but you are the first one that


            8              always says, oh -- yeah, my five minutes are


            9              up.  Go ahead.


           10                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mrs. Knight.


           11                      MS. KNIGHT:  But, Judy, you go to


           12              church on Sunday --


           13                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.


           14                      MS. KNIGHT:  Next time --


           15                      MS. GATELLI: That's none of your


           16              business if I go to church or not.


           17                      MS. KNIGHT: The next time you open


           18              your mouth --


           19                      MR. MCGOFF: Mrs. Knight, your time


           20              is up.


           21                      MS. KNIGHT: The next time you open


           22              your mouth to receive the Lord make sure --


           23                      MR. MCGOFF: Oh, excuse me --


           24                      MS. GATELLI: Oh, stop it.  Stop it.


           25              I am not going to take the Lord's name in






            1              this chamber, now stop it.  Shame on you.


            2                      MR. MCGOFF: Mrs. Knight --


            3                      MS. KNIGHT: Shame on you.


            4                      MS. GATELLI:  Shame on you.  Shame


            5              on you talking about the Lord like that.


            6              Shame on you.


            7                      MS. KNIGHT: I'm not ashamed of


            8              anything.


            9                      MR. MCGOFF: Mrs. Knight --


           10                      MS. KNIGHT: You should be.


           11                      MS. GATELLI:  Well, I'm not.


           12                      MS. KNIGHT: You should be.


           13                      MS. GATELLI: Well, I'm not.


           14                      MS. KNIGHT: Because you're stupid,


           15              that's why.


           16                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Oh --


           17                      MR. MCGOFF: Mrs. Knight, I'm going


           18              to ask you to leave these chambers.


           19                      MS. GATELLI: You know whose campaign


           20              she'll be on.


           21                      MR. MCGOFF: Excuse me, I'm going to


           22              ask you to leave the chambers, please?


           23                      MS. KNIGHT:  Why?


           24                      MS. FANUCCI: Why?


           25                      MR. MCGOFF: Because you were out of






            1              order, you were being incendiary and I'm not


            2              going to tolerate it for the rest of the


            3              meeting.


            4                      MS. KNIGHT: Oh, but you tolerate


            5              it --


            6                      MR. MCGOFF: Excuse me, I'm asking


            7              you to leave.


            8                      MS. KNIGHT:  I'll leave, but I'm


            9              coming back and I will keep coming back and


           10              (unintelligible) including you, you and you.


           11                      (Whereupon Mr. McGoff bangs the


           12              gavel.)


           13                      MS. KNIGHTS; keep doing it until I


           14              walk out the damn door.


           15                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you for justifying


           16              my request.


           17                      MS. GATELLI: Unbelievable.


           18                      MR. UNGVARSKY: Good morning, city


           19              council, I'm Tom Ungvarsky and I'm a member


           20              of the Scranton/Lackawanna County Taxpayers'


           21              and I, too, would like to talk about 5-G.


           22              As you probably think, would you please


           23              answer these questions after I'm done


           24              speaking, sir?  As you probably know, there


           25              are several actions being taken against






            1              ECTV, I wonder if any of these actions are


            2              fruitful what will happen to the $90,000


            3              that ECTV receives?  Also, I was of the


            4              understanding that the agreement with


            5              Mr. Balton and the City of Scranton.  Now,


            6              that Mr. Balton has left ECTV what happens


            7              to the agreement?  It seems like it should


            8              be null and void.


            9                      One other point, I understand or I


           10              have heard a rumor that a roof might be put


           11              on the 933 building and would that be


           12              covered under this $90,000?  And probably


           13              the last thing I have to say is after about


           14              six months of bickering over Channel 61, why


           15              is it that ECTV has never appeared, has


           16              never made a statement, has never clarified


           17              their position, they have been strangely


           18              silent about their transaction and maybe you


           19              can invite them here before you pass this


           20              ordinance.  Thank you.  Before I leave,


           21              would you answer those questions for me,


           22              please?


           23                      MR. MCGOFF: On the first question


           24              what will happen to the $90,000?


           25                      MR. UNGVARSKY: Yes, if they lose any






            1              of their -- the actions started against


            2              them?


            3                      MR. MCGOFF: I would assume that


            4              since it's a loan that they would be


            5              required to -- well, if any of those -- that


            6              I can't answer.


            7                      MR. UNGVARSKY: Maybe it's something


            8              you should discuss before you pass this?


            9                      MR. MCGOFF: I would assume that if,


           10              in fact, they were removed as operators of


           11              the public access channel that that money


           12              would be returned to the city.


           13                      MR. UNGVARSKY: Okay.  How about if


           14              they spend it?


           15                      MR. MCGOFF: Since it is a loan I


           16              would assume that whatever costs are


           17              occurred while they are operating it would


           18              be --


           19                      MR. UNGVARSKY:  Are they offering


           20              any collateral to back up that loan?


           21                      MR. MCGOFF: Yes, the equipment and


           22              the property and --


           23                      MR. UNGVARSKY:  I thought we were


           24              buying the equipment?


           25                      MR. MCGOFF: Well, that becomes the






            1              collateral for the purchase.


            2                      MR. UNGVARSKY: Well, if we bought it


            3              for them I don't know how it's collateral,


            4              but going on, the agreement between


            5              Mr. Balton and the City of Scranton, what


            6              happens with that since Mr. Balton --


            7                      MR. MCGOFF: The agreement is between


            8              the company ECTV --


            9                      MR. UNGVARSKY: That was


           10              Mr. Balton --


           11                      MR. MCGOFF: -- television, well,


           12              it's more than one person.


           13                      MR. UNGVARSKY: Well, I think you


           14              should look into that before you pass this


           15              ordinance.  What about the roof?


           16                      MR. MCGOFF: I'm sorry?


           17                      MR. UNGVARSKY: What about if they


           18              put a roof on is that covered under this


           19              $90,000?


           20                      MR. MCGOFF: I don't know anything


           21              about that.


           22                      MR. UNGVARSKY:  There was a rumor


           23              that they would be putting on a roof for


           24              that 933 Prescott Avenue.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF: I don't know anything






            1              about a roof, so I don't know.


            2                      MR. UNGVARKSY: Maybe we should check


            3              on that, also, and maybe you would invite


            4              channel -- well, ECTV to appear here and


            5              present their case.  I thank you for


            6              answering the questions or trying to anyway.


            7                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr.


            8              Ungvarsky, and I think the invitation to


            9              someone from ECTV would probably be proper.


           10                      MR. UNGVARSKY:  Thank you.


           11                      MR. ELLMAN: Ronnie Ellman, homeowner


           12              and member of the Taxpayers' Association.


           13              Well, Mr. McGoff, I didn't vote for you, but


           14              I think you are doing well up there and


           15              trying to handle some


           16              unacceptable exhibitions like, you know,


           17              Mr. Miller, threw a temper tantrum up here


           18              and then he wants to retreat to the table


           19              and say, "I'm a kid, you can't criticize


           20              me."


           21                      It can't be both ways, it's like


           22              being pregnant, you are or you are not.  He


           23              wants to stand up here and then he can be


           24              criticized like the rest of us.


           25                      And Stacy Brown's unacceptable






            1              article in the paper that week of an


            2              interview I suppose was nothing but a bunch


            3              of half truths, it was biased, it was


            4              outrageous to say these people out here are


            5              capable of hurting someone that comes to


            6              this table.  The last year or two I've


            7              talked to six, eight, ten of Mr. Miller's


            8              peers here and there and a couple of parents


            9              and a grandmother, I even mentioned the


           10              grandmother one time, and the reason he is


           11              at that table alone is because he has got a


           12              bad attitude problem from his peers, every


           13              single one of them, he looks down at them


           14              that's why he ended up sitting there by


           15              himself --


           16                      MR. MCGOFF: Mr. Ellman --


           17                      MR. ELLMAN: No -- no, because they


           18              people out here, these good people out here


           19              don't threaten anybody.  These people on the


           20              other side of the TV aren't threatening


           21              anybody, it was an outrageous, blatant lie


           22              saying that.  Go on.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF: I would just like to say


           24              Mr. Miller had something to say, there was


           25              an article written about him, I think we






            1              have belabored this enough.


            2                      MR. ELLMAN: Well, but I sat back


            3              there and talked to Mr. Miller after his


            4              statement, as far as I was concerned it was


            5              a childish --


            6                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.


            7                      MR. ELLMAN: -- statement, but he is


            8              the one that brought it up again, not me and


            9              I have a right to say this tonight.  He has


           10              a hit and run idea.  For someone that gloats


           11              in front of the TV set he can't even sit and


           12              say thank you, he had to jump up here every


           13              opportunity and show his pearly whites.  I


           14              can't understand why he wanted to take it


           15              off, all I did was criticize his judgment


           16              which I didn't think was very good.  Well,


           17              I'll get off the subject.


           18                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.


           19                      MR. ELLMAN:  Almost off of it.  I


           20              got one thing else to say, the article said


           21              that Mr. Miller said that where were we to


           22              help him when he was raking yards and so


           23              forth?  Personally, I imagine most of people


           24              people and the people in front of that


           25              camera were working when he was raking yards






            1              and school grounds and doing his thing with


            2              his group, but everybody here does something


            3              he has never done and won't do for years to


            4              come they sign an income tax, they sign the


            5              tax check so he can go to school every year,


            6              mine is $800 or $900 for the school taxes


            7              and my taxes are over $1,200.  I haven't had


            8              no one in school for 30 years.  There is


            9              people out here that haven't had a child in


           10              school for 50 years and they still pay and


           11              look at the product we are getting.  Now, I


           12              won't say no more.


           13                      Mr. Spindler mentioned that the


           14              people are paying, I was told this, too, and


           15              I just don't see how -- the school does not


           16              own that property why are they collecting


           17              money?  They want both things.  Let them


           18              either pay for it and put us in a park like


           19              they were supposed to a couple of years ago


           20              or let them get out of it.  You know, this


           21              is just more corruption than this city reaks


           22              of.  I know you don't like it, but that's


           23              what's going on right under your noses.


           24                      I went to the car show Sunday at the


           25              park and the park looks good, it does, you






            1              know, right there when I was leaving one of


            2              the gentlemen with a staff thing, a shirt on


            3              that knows me, says, "Look at the tree."


            4                      Right there, big healthy tree with a


            5              big red dot on it.  I was in Wilkes-Barre


            6              last week for a car show, you go through the


            7              whole town there is no trees missing, you


            8              phone the police in Dunmore, anywhere,


            9              Taylor, ask them how many trees they have


           10              cut down in 10 or 15 years and they say


           11              occasionally there is a tree.  We are


           12              cutting hundreds of trees down and they


           13              costing a fortune and most of them are


           14              healthy, they are not diseased trees, you


           15              can go look at them and go talk to the


           16              people cutting them down.  Thank you.


           17                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr. Ellman.


           18                      MR. DAVIS:  Salaam aleikum.  Six


           19              years ago I walked into this building and I


           20              spoke to the person who I thought was in


           21              charge of Channel 61, and I had watched, I


           22              had listened for about two or three weeks


           23              what was happening here in the council room


           24              and I asked him, I said, "Could I become a


           25              volunteer.  I want to be a volunteer to just






            1              run the cameras."


            2                      Now, this was six years ago and I


            3              got behind the camera up in the and loft and


            4              eventually we moved the camera down from the


            5              back, but it gave me an education, you know,


            6              and right now I'm very happy because I have


            7              seen people come, I have seen people go, I


            8              have seen people who are on this side of the


            9              board and those who are not, and I realize


           10              that as I sit there and make comments about


           11              people who are here on this side it's very


           12              easy to do because you are protected, you're


           13              at a podium.  We thought enough of you to


           14              elect you and put you on a podium, but the


           15              respect that you are giving to those who


           16              come here with questions, with answers, with


           17              arguments, is not really what I would call a


           18              very human equation.


           19                      I kind of find that it's


           20              disrespectful, and not because you want to


           21              be disrespectful because it's a defense


           22              mechanism.  As you present yourselves we are


           23              listening to you.  All of these voices out


           24              here hear you, they hear you very plain


           25              clearly, and it scarce me because I don't






            1              see where we are going from here.  I don't


            2              see the road, I don't see the solution to


            3              the problems.  We are talking about billions


            4              and billions of dollars in debt, and I can't


            5              imagine our children being able to pay it


            6              off because we are not able to pay it off,


            7              we are accumulating more debt than we have


            8              reason to, I think, but I'm not sure, I'm


            9              not -- I'm not a treasurer, I'm not a -- I'm


           10              not the collector of dues or things like


           11              that, but at the same time I do pay my


           12              wages, I pay my -- I pay just as I go along,


           13              buy my food, pay my rent, but this is


           14              something that you are not listening to.


           15                   You are not listening to us as we speak


           16              to you about the same thing everybody in the


           17              United States is talking about, the little


           18              man as far as status is concerned is being


           19              washed away.  He is being pushed down too


           20              the point where he won't be able to blame


           21              you for it, he won't blame anything but


           22              themselves which is self-degradation and


           23              that we don't need.  We don't need you to


           24              sit there and tell us that we are not worthy


           25              of you.  We are tired of that, also.  We are






            1              tired of the snickering, we are tired of the


            2              bombast and words and actions and deeds and


            3              worst of all in this bell.  When a person is


            4              standing here trying to tell you something


            5              of worth you have not -- it's just sort of


            6              very ignorant to pound the bell or you hear


            7              the bell saying, all right, that's enough.


            8              That's enough of your time, the person may


            9              not be finished, but that's respect.  That's


           10              what I was taught as respect.  I was taught


           11              respect in the Pine Street Baptist Church


           12              how to speak orally, how to have respect for


           13              other people and that has carried me all of


           14              the way through my life, and treat people


           15              with respect and I may not have -- I may


           16              have insulted you, but I have reason to


           17              insult you I think because I think I'm


           18              taking it for those who have not insulted


           19              you, those who have sat there and were told


           20              of themselves and told of their problems


           21              being minor, and I thank you for your bell.


           22              I think it's very, very apprapoe.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr. Davis.


           24                      MR. SCHMIDT: My name is Bobby


           25              Schmidt and I'm from Scranton here, I just






            1              have a few comments.  One thing I find very


            2              troubling is the use of OECD funds towards


            3              the city advertising and boosters.  I find


            4              it to be very not just wasteful, but


            5              extremely ineffective, I mean, since the


            6              40's really, Scranton Chamber, Scranton


            7              Times, the City of Scranton, they have


            8              gotten together to have these projects to


            9              keep people here.  In the 40's, you know, it


           10              was, you know, all of these industrialized


           11              strategies and the Chamber of Commerce,


           12              excuse me, the Chamber of Commerce engaged


           13              in all of these adverting to keep workers


           14              here because the area was completely


           15              depleted.


           16                      Now, OECD funding typically should


           17              go towards, you know, poor folks, housing,


           18              things of that point.  Increasingly it's the


           19              case that OECD funding is going towards


           20              advertising and one example of this is ECTV.


           21              If you read in the newspaper they said they


           22              would play city council meetings once a week


           23              perhaps, but the rest of that is going to go


           24              towards enlightening the people who already


           25              live here of all of the assets that are in






            1              the city.  I know of one program that was


            2              very beneficial to me was a program through


            3              OECD where they give you $10,000, $15,000 to


            4              put into your house.  If your house is going


            5              into, you know, disrepair, they would give


            6              you some money, that way you could keep your


            7              house up to code and live there, 10, 15


            8              dollars is really water off a duck's rearend


            9              because it would cost them more than that


           10              for the city to knock it down.


           11                      So anyway, this ECTV, this


           12              boosterism is very infective.  If you talk


           13              to people, people are very upset, you know,


           14              from a few years ago the summer in the city.


           15              The summer in the city campaign, all of this


           16              money from OECD going towards these banners


           17              to advertise to people who already live here


           18              trying to convince us of all of the


           19              amenities, and you if you talk to people, I


           20              mean, look, this area is in decline, there


           21              is no doubt about it.  It's not our fault


           22              that this area is in decline, this is


           23              throughout the northeast, it's not just


           24              Scranton, Pennsylvania, I mean, there is --


           25              most mining, no -- you know, there are some






            1              suburbs, you know, like Upper Darby, but


            2              even Upper Darby it's really filled up with


            3              white folks that have just moved in.


            4                      You know, this area is in the


            5              decline, this region is in decline.  The


            6              areas of growth or in the sunbelt.  So,


            7              again it's not our fault and that's the


            8              problem, people that are living in this area


            9              go for greener pastures, that's not our


           10              fault.


           11                      Another problem with this area is,


           12              you know, you really have to know somebody


           13              to get a job.  It is -- I mean, this area is


           14              in decline, it's Scranton, and it's put all


           15              of this pressure on these jobs and most


           16              areas, right, in most school districts, for


           17              instance, in the big cities, you know, you


           18              have to beg people to go there and teach,


           19              but in the City of Scranton because there is


           20              just no jobs here, you know, you have to


           21              know somebody to get a job.


           22                      Another issue is corruption and


           23              which, I mean, I'm not going to, you know,


           24              everybody reads the Scranton Times and they


           25              are very familiar, if you live in the city






            1              you understand.  Now, rather than changing


            2              the material, the reality of this city,


            3              Doherty -- and not just Doherty, but mayors


            4              all across the northeast really are trying


            5              to change the image of this city, trying to


            6              make us feel better about this city and it


            7              gets very wasteful.  You know, Doherty's


            8              strategy has been to knock down homes.  I'm


            9              not really, you know, not a whole lot of


           10              emphasis has been towards rehabbing homes,


           11              keeping poor people here and everything has


           12              been toward keeping poor people out of here.


           13                   Now, Sherry Fanucci, I'm not looking to


           14              attack you, I just have an honest question,


           15              the rumor is that your house is for sale.


           16                      MS. FANUCCI: Does this have to do


           17              with anything?


           18                      MR. SCHMIDT: Yes.


           19                      MS. FANUCCI: Are you getting your


           20              information off one little website?


           21                      MR. SCHMIDT: No, somebody brought it


           22              up back here.


           23                      MS. FANUCCI: Would you like to buy


           24              it?  It is for sale.  I would be thrilled if


           25              you did buy it because I'm looking for an






            1              anxious buyer.


            2                      MR. SCHMIDT: I tell you what, there


            3              is a fool born every minute, I'll look at


            4              it, how's that.


            5                      MS. FANUCCI: You should.  You


            6              should.


            7                      MR. SCHMIDT:  Here's the question I


            8              have, are so -- okay, you are selling your


            9              house, are you going to look to buy a house


           10              in the city?  Because here's what I find


           11              troubling, here's the point I'm getting at,


           12              you are going to vote on this legislation


           13              for ECTV booster --


           14                      MS. FANUCCI: Yes, I am.


           15                      MR. SCHMIDT: And you are all for


           16              boosting this area, fine, fabulous, are you


           17              going to still live in this city?


           18                      MS. FANUCCI: I have to live in this


           19              city because I'm a city councilwoman.


           20                      MR. SCHMIDT: Well, after your house


           21              is sold.


           22                      MS. FANUCCI:  You are not going to


           23              let me address the question, let me clarify


           24              something, you would have to be crazy to


           25              come here every week and put up with this






            1              kind of tactics where people worry about


            2              whether you are selling your home or not and


            3              not want to believe in the city and love


            4              this city and do what you can for the city.


            5              Of course I'm going to live in the city, why


            6              would I leave this city if I'm a city


            7              councilwoman representing the --


            8                      MR. SCHMIDT: No, after your house is


            9              sold which that could take a year.


           10                      MS. FANUCCI: That's -- I just


           11              answered your question, would you like me to


           12              answer it again?


           13                      MR. SCHMIDT:  Okay, so you are going


           14              to buy another house in the city.


           15                      MS. FANUCCI: Well, what would I be


           16              doing as a city council person?


           17                      MR. SCHMIDT:  It was just a


           18              question, so you are, thanks.


           19                      MS. FANUCCI: This is personal


           20              information that I'm giving to you to be


           21              gracious because you are a first time


           22              speaker, but to be honest with you this is


           23              personal information and really you have no


           24              right to be asking this in public, is my


           25              house for sale, it's my personal life, but I






            1              am being nice to you because you, obviously,


            2              are new and trying to make your way, so


            3              that's --


            4                      MR. SCHMIDT: I'm not trying to --


            5              thank you very much.  Just please consider


            6              this ECTV, it's very wasteful, and none of


            7              this boosterism has worked.  The population


            8              has declined for decades, so just consider


            9              that.


           10                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.  How are you,


           11              Chris?


           12                      MR. SLEDENZSKI: How are you, Bob?


           13              Is this thing on?  I can't hear myself talk


           14              into it.


           15                      MR. MCGOFF: It should be.


           16                      MR. SLEDENZSKI:  Hey, Billy, I can't


           17              hear myself in this thing?


           18                      MR. COURTRIGHT: What's that?


           19                      MR. SLEDENZSKI: It ain't working.


           20                      MR. COURTRIGHT: It's not working?


           21              Talk loud.


           22                      MR. MCGOFF: We'll hear you.


           23                      MR. SLEDENZSKI: How's that, Bill?


           24                      MR. COURTRIGHT: That's good.


           25                      MR. SLEDENZSKI: I can't hear myself.






            1              These firemen in the City of Scranton are


            2              doing a good job in the city, all of them,


            3              even Dave Gervasi, he is doing a good job.


            4              Let's keep it up down there, boys.


            5                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Even Dave Gervasi.


            6                      MR. MCGOFF: Anyone else?


            7                      MS. EVANS: Good morning.  First, a


            8              brief update on the 2007 independent audit.


            9              The status remains basically unchanged since


           10              my last report a few weeks ago.  According


           11              to the response from Shawn Grassi, CPA,


           12              received on June 4 by the Office of City


           13              Council and I quote, "We have enclosed


           14              copies of our April 15, 2008, letter and


           15              it's attachment dated February 11 and the


           16              May 21 letter to Frank S. Renda, copies of


           17              which were sent to city council and the


           18              mayor.


           19                      However, unless the client provides


           20              us with the necessary data to perform the


           21              audit it impedes our ability to complete the


           22              audit and issue the audit report on a timely


           23              basis.  As you can see from our


           24              correspondence, the original which dates


           25              back to February 11, 2008, our desire to






            1              complete the audit as quickly as possible is


            2              evident.  A delay in receiving requested


            3              information and resulting any technical


            4              issues will control when the audit report


            5              will be issued."


            6                      Thus, two pages of requests from


            7              Robert Rossi and Company or information


            8              from, mainly, from the city administration


            9              as well as three municipal authorities and


           10              the Single Tax Office and NCC remain


           11              unanswered.


           12                      Council also received a response


           13              from police chief Elliott regarding an


           14              investigation by the D.A.'s Office of the


           15              arson fire at Coney Island located on Cedar


           16              Avenue.  He states that the fire department


           17              fire inspector ruled on the cause of origin


           18              of fire.  Once the fire is ruled arson is


           19              turned over the police fire marshal who


           20              investigates and makes an arrest when


           21              warranted.  The D.A.'s Office does not have


           22              an arson investigator, however, their


           23              prosecutors who are trained in I believe the


           24              proper strategies and methods of prosecuting


           25              such cases are members of the arson task






            1              force and as such are already involved in


            2              this case.


            3                      Further, the chief objects to any


            4              transfer of in case or any other unless it


            5              involves a conflict of interest.  Therefore,


            6              council might want to reconsider it's


            7              request to the D.A.'s Office moved by


            8              Mrs. Fanucci.


            9                      Next, there are numerous pieces of


           10              legislation on today's agenda, one of which


           11              is the $90,000 loan to ECTV through OECD for


           12              the purchase of equipment.  I have numerous


           13              serious concerns about such a loan.  First


           14              of all, the payment of the loan is deferred


           15              for three years.


           16                      Second, if three full-time


           17              employment positions are created within


           18              three years of the date of closing on the


           19              loan then there shall be no repayment of the


           20              loan and it becomes a gift from the


           21              taxpayers, if you will.  Also, I recall in


           22              2006 perhaps Scranton Today requested a


           23              $7,000 grant from OECD which was not given


           24              to them.


           25                      Third, the $90,000 will be used to






            1              purchase equipment.  This equipment will be


            2              used as collateral for this loan/grant, not


            3              property.  Also, it appears that these


            4              monies according to the loan contract cannot


            5              be utilized for roofing.


            6                      Number four, as soon as three


            7              positions are created the equipment is no


            8              longer collateral.  It appears to be owned


            9              by ECTV, thus, OECD through the taxpayers is


           10              purchasing equipment for ECTV and that's a


           11              very nice government gift I would say.


           12                      Fifth, Chris Balton, executive


           13              director of ECTV, and if I may say in my


           14              opinion a true talent and expertise of this


           15              organization is no longer affiliated with


           16              ECTV.


           17                      Six, the transfer of CDBG funds from


           18              the Grow Scranton Fund deserves scrutiny.


           19              OECD states that the money came from a


           20              consultant, NDC, a consultant to OECD whose


           21              contract was terminated by city council I


           22              believe in an approximately late 2004.  The


           23              annual cost of that consultant was $60,000.


           24              OECD claims this is the source of the


           25              funding for ECTV since the Grow Scranton






            1              Fund no longer exists.  Thus, $60,000 has


            2              been unused for three and a half years in an


            3              account.  Since OECD added $30,000 to that


            4              $60,000 figure from the same account


            5              apparently, what is the total dollar amount


            6              of monies in the Grow Scranton account?


            7                   Seven, whose is signed on the OECD


            8              applications and if it is Mr. Balton's name


            9              then I believe those applications become


           10              void.


           11                      Eight, if Mr. Balton was an officer


           12              of the corporation what is ECTV's corporate


           13              status currently since he is no longer


           14              affiliated.


           15                      Nine, how will ECTV provide salaries


           16              for three permanent employees.  The $90,000


           17              is only for equipment.


           18                      Ten, I would like to see a list by


           19              the donors and business sponsors who have


           20              contributed or pledged financial support to


           21              ECTV and the amount of each pledge and


           22              donation and this way I believe council


           23              could ascertain how quickly ECTV may come


           24              before council with it's hand out once


           25              again.






            1                      Eleven, I would also like to see a


            2              copy of their 501-C-3 status.  I do realize


            3              that they have applied to the state for


            4              nonprofit status, but I would like to see a


            5              copy, a written copy, granting that 501-C-E


            6              status and I notice that as I am speaking


            7              one of the officers of Scranton Today is


            8              shaking her head.  I assume that means this


            9              does not exist.


           10                      Twelve, what if any, is the ruling


           11              of the Ethics Commission regarding the


           12              complaint filed by Northeastern Pennsylvania


           13              Public Access Project?  Five months after


           14              the complaint was registered there has still


           15              been no response.


           16                      Thirteen, there is no contract


           17              despite what the newspaper reports.  There


           18              is no contract.  There is no letter of


           19              agreement between the city and ECTV and I


           20              have information of that in writing from


           21              Attorney Patterson, city solicitor.


           22                      Fourteen, the mayor and some council


           23              members intend to give $90,000 to a group


           24              with no peg management experience, no


           25              production experience, and no guarantees as






            1              to how it will fulfill all RFP, that is


            2              proposal, promises.  Is this a sound


            3              investment?  I think not.


            4                      Fifteen, the city gave $13,000 to


            5              Scranton Today Channel 61 in a ten-year


            6              period.  Now the city will give $90,000 to


            7              ECTV for start-up costs because they are not


            8              yet in business.  Is this a sound


            9              investment?


           10                      And, finally, I know I have heard


           11              concerns that have been voiced earlier today


           12              about the conduct of city council meetings


           13              providing a poor image of our city.  Well,


           14              first, I might remind everyone that council


           15              meetings have been contentious for many,


           16              many years.  In fact, those individuals who


           17              are older than I remind me of the days when


           18              council meetings were broadcast by radio and


           19              they were according to these listeners


           20              highly contentious meetings often involving


           21              I believe the mayor's father who was a city


           22              council member at that time, and so you see,


           23              the atmosphere and conflict evidently is one


           24              that accompanies the process of democracy


           25              and it is not something new that has






            1              developed in the last two, four or


            2              five years, it's long been with us.


            3                      But more so, I hear your concerns


            4              for again this providing a very poor image,


            5              yet, I believe it was part of Scranton -- or


            6              not Scranton Today, but ECTV's proposal to


            7              place council meetings on united streaming


            8              and so if the concern is that Scranton is


            9              receiving a poor image to our neighboring


           10              community, my goodness, now you are going to


           11              be broadcasting these meetings worldwide, so


           12              not only our neighbors in Northeastern


           13              Pennsylvania will be viewing it, but our


           14              neighbors across the country, California,


           15              perhaps our friends over in England, so be


           16              careful what you ask for because evidently


           17              you just might receive it.


           18                      Now, based on the 16 concerns, very


           19              serious concerns that I have outlined, I


           20              move to reopen the RFP process for operation


           21              of peg channels 61 and 62.


           22                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  I'll second that.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?


           24                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  On the question,


           25              Mr. McGoff, I will speak in motions more on






            1              it, but I've had some concerns throughout


            2              this thing and in light of Mr. Balton


            3              possibly exited from ECTV and some of the


            4              things were brought to light from the podium


            5              this evening -- or this morning that I did


            6              not know, I have even more concerns.


            7                      MS. EVANS: And I might add, I think


            8              this is the most fair manner in which to


            9              address what seems to have been a very


           10              unfair process, so let's going to back to


           11              square one and allow this to take the proper


           12              direction.


           13                      MS. FANUCCI: I'd like to speak on --


           14              my issue when this started and 61 got it


           15              there actually wasn't a bid process, I think


           16              Jimmy decided, Mayor Connors just decided


           17              that they were going to do this, so the fact


           18              at that there even was a process is better


           19              off than it was before.  It was just another


           20              mayor deciding this is what they wanted to


           21              do, it just so happens not to be this mayor,


           22              it was the last one.


           23                      I'm going to tell you my concern is


           24              regardless of who, what, where and when as


           25              long as 61 or whoever is showing the council






            1              meetings I am personally -- that's the issue


            2              I have, that's the only thing that has to do


            3              with my method of the TV broadcast.


            4                      And, also, it's the mayor's call


            5              like it or not, you know, it's his deal just


            6              like a lot of legislation that comes before


            7              us his deal, so really considering all of


            8              that it has nothing to do with what we want,


            9              think or feel, quite frankly.  So, you know,


           10              that is something that, real reality.  It's


           11              real reality, but it's the truth.  I mean,


           12              it's his call just like it was Jimmy's call


           13              and when the next mayor come around and it


           14              will be there call and the next mayor after


           15              that.


           16                      As far as what happens to the


           17              channel, as long as we are on we are on.


           18              That's what's important here as far as my


           19              concern.  Whether or not there are or


           20              channel.  Now, I was going to see I was a


           21              big proponent of 61, started off with 61, I


           22              loved 61, started off with it, the intent of


           23              the channel when it started and what it


           24              ended up to be were two separates issues.


           25              They wanted to do more programming.  They






            1              wanted -- they did do a lot of programming


            2              in the beginning and it ended up that for


            3              some reason it just didn't -- they wanted to


            4              do outdoor programming, everything.  They


            5              wanted to show everything in the city.  It


            6              wasn't, you know, the last speaker come up


            7              and say it was a PR thing.  That's not


            8              exactly -- that's exactly what the intent


            9              was last time to go out and show what they


           10              would show, it happens in the City of


           11              Scranton and our community.  I believe that


           12              the new channel just came to the graduation


           13              of the Scranton High School and our taping


           14              --


           15                      MS. EVANS: But, that was Scranton.


           16                      MS. FANUCCI: Okay, well, but that's


           17              what the intent is to show what happens in


           18              the community.  It is a PR things, so you


           19              can say, okay, well, okay, look happened, I


           20              believe there was one thing on the railroads


           21              years ago, but as far as to sit here week


           22              after week and fight over who is showing


           23              what.  I mean, it's not -- I really don't --


           24              as long as it's on it's on.  That's as far


           25              as I know we are on, so --






            1                      MR. MCGOFF: I, too, believe that the


            2              selection process that was conducted was


            3              from my perspective a fair and equitable


            4              process.  The people that were chosen to be


            5              on the committee I find to be honest,


            6              reliable citizens who made a decision and


            7              whether we like that decision or not I don't


            8              think that reopening it is necessarily going


            9              to change things.


           10                      MS. EVANS: Well, I'm just thinking,


           11              you know, based on the information that was


           12              presented this morning, for example,


           13              concerning Mr. Darcy I think they might want


           14              to reconsider their decisions.  I don't know


           15              that that information was available to them


           16              at the time they made the selection.  In


           17              addition to the fact that some may say the


           18              programming on Channel 61 was not as diverse


           19              as it would have been desired, we do have to


           20              remember they weren't given any money.  In


           21              nine years they received a grand total of


           22              $13,000 from the City of Scranton.


           23                      I do agree with Mrs. Fanucci that


           24              absolutely selection of the peg channel


           25              operator is the decision of the mayor,






            1              however, it is the decision of city council


            2              whether or not to provide that $90,000 gift.


            3              That cannot be given by the mayor and I'm


            4              not sure that the mayor himself is even


            5              quite sure what he wants because on one hand


            6              in the newspaper he states unequivocally


            7              that there will be no funding of ECTV and


            8              then approximately two weeks later he is


            9              saying, well, yes, we are funding ECTV,


           10              Channel 61, through OECD with $90,000.  So


           11              I'm not quite sure if the one hand knows


           12              what the other is doing.


           13                      You know, I do feel though that, as


           14              I say, the bottom line is council does


           15              control the purse strings here.  Council,


           16              just like the mayor has the ability to


           17              select, council has the ability to provide


           18              or withhold this money.


           19                      MS. FANUCCI: I'm happy with the


           20              decision, so let's just vote.


           21                      MR. MCGOFF: I was going to say,


           22              there is a motion and it's been seconded.


           23              Motion to vote.


           24                      MS. FANUCCI: Yes.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF: All those on the motion,






            1              to restate, to reopen the selection process


            2              for the operation of Channel 61.


            3                      MS. EVANS: Yes.


            4                      MR. MCGOFF: All in favor.


            5                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


            6                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.


            7                      MR. MCGOFF:  Opposed?  No.


            8                      MS. FANUCCI: No.


            9                      MS. GATELLI: No.


           10                      MR. MCGOFF: Motion is defeated.


           11                      MS. EVANS: I also have requests for


           12              the week, actually for the last two weeks:


           13              A letter to Mr. Luciani, contact Lorraine


           14              Craig, and I do have a phone number listed,


           15              but on the intersection of the 100 block of


           16              Morgan Court and 800 block of Hemlock


           17              Street.  She has contacted you 11 times, and


           18              he has failed to respond.


           19                      MS. GATELLI: I just want to


           20              interrupt, he is not there anymore, maybe


           21              that's why he keeps not answering here, for


           22              a year he's not there.


           23                      MS. EVANS: There has not been a city


           24              engineer --


           25                      MS. FANUCCI: For a year.






            1                      MS. GATELLI: No.


            2                      MS. EVANS: But, we have had


            3              absolutely no engineering expertise for a


            4              year?


            5                      MS. GATELLI: No, I think Mr. Parker


            6              was volunteering for that.  That phone


            7              number probably doesn't work, you know, he


            8              is not there.


            9                      MS. EVANS: Then, we'll send it to --


           10                      MS. GATELLI: Brazil.


           11                      MS. EVANS: Mr. Brazil.  Although, I


           12              think Mr. Brazil may want to contact the


           13              current engineer because it's a situation


           14              that does require the review and


           15              intervention of a professional engineer.


           16                   2935-37 Pittston Avenue, the property


           17              was condemned over a year ago.  It is city


           18              owned.  The grass is over four feet high and


           19              the property is an eyesore.  Please address


           20              as soon as possible.


           21                      A letter to Mr. McMullen, residents


           22              of the area report that there is increasing


           23              traffic through Morgan Court and Rosen


           24              Place.  At the same time, there are children


           25              riding their bikes and playing basketball in






            1              those locations.  With a closing of school


            2              for the summer months, more children are


            3              playing for longer time periods.  Because


            4              residents fear for the safety of these


            5              children they request the placement of signs


            6              to alert drivers to drive slowly and to be


            7              aware of children playing at the Willow and


            8              Alder Street entrances to these courts.


            9                      612 Moosic Street, grass and hedges


           10              need to be cut.  The garage door is open and


           11              has been broken into.  Neighbors report that


           12              the property is blighted and I have included


           13              the name of the out-of-town property owner


           14              to be contacted as soon as possible.


           15                      Are city residents, this is a


           16              question that I have been asked numerous


           17              amount of times lately, are city residents


           18              allowed to have bonfires and fire bowls


           19              burning in their back yards on a regular


           20              basis?


           21                      Also, a letter to Mr. Brazil: Please


           22              direct DPW employees who collect garbage


           23              cans on lawns, pick up debris that that they


           24              drop while emptying cans, and avoid damaging


           25              tree lawns when cutting the corners too






            1              short when driving.  Residents of South Side


            2              that they just clean up the streets


            3              following garbage collections and that trash


            4              cans are thrown, often landing in the street


            5              and damaging the cans themselves.


            6                      Now, the DPW has a tremendous


            7              workload, and frankly, I think one of the


            8              hallmarks of a strong city is a powerful


            9              well-funded Department of Public Works and I


           10              know in my neighborhood DPW does an


           11              exemplary job on trash pickup days.  Even as


           12              I travel to work throughout the Greenridge,


           13              lower Greenridge and North Scranton area, I


           14              noticed that those crews are doing their job


           15              and doing it quite well.


           16                      So, I'm just asking that everyone


           17              make the same attempts to respect the


           18              property of the city residents and respect


           19              the environment of our city who don't want


           20              to add to the litter and the dirty


           21              conditions of our streets that seem to be so


           22              often a problem in our communities.


           23                      Also, to Mr. Brazil, in the 200


           24              block of North Garfield Avenue please send


           25              the street sweeper to clean this block.






            1                      And to Mr. Seitzinger, please send


            2              an inspector to the 200 of North Garfield.


            3              Neighbors report garbage cans remain in


            4              front of th properties and a front porch is


            5              littered with debris.


            6                      321 South 9th Avenue.  This


            7              uninhabited house was condemned several


            8              months ago.  The second door is open and the


            9              grass is overgrown.  Neighbors worry that


           10              birds will enter the structure and that


           11              teens will trespass as well and this


           12              building is a for sale with Century 21


           13              through Jack Ruddy, so perhaps LIPS can


           14              ascertain the ownership through the realtor.


           15                   A letter to Mr. Brazil:  Please trim


           16              trees that are blocking the huge stop signs


           17              at the intersection of Shawnee Avenue and


           18              Depot Street.  Residents report that


           19              vehicles drive at excessive speeds failing


           20              to stop for traffic signs, and I am also


           21              going to ask that the e-mail about those


           22              vehicles driving in excessive speeds be


           23              forwarded to Chief Elliott.


           24                      And in the 1000 block of Mohan Court


           25              residents of the 1000 block of North Webster






            1              report that residents of apartments in the


            2              1000 block of Clay Avenue are parking their


            3              vehicles in this Court.  Numerous calls to


            4              the police department were made and police


            5              officers asked residents to move their


            6              vehicles.  After the departure of the


            7              officer, however, the residents again parked


            8              their cars in the alley.


            9                      Further, firetrucks would be unable


           10              to travel Mohan Court in the event of an


           11              emergency.  Finally, residents of North


           12              Webster Avenue with driveway access through


           13              the alley often find access blocked by


           14              parked cars.  Please take appropriate


           15              measures to address this violation,


           16              particularly in light of the failure of


           17              warnings that have been issued, and that's.


           18                      I do want to say though particularly


           19              to the members of the board of Scranton


           20              Today, I thank you for ten years of tireless


           21              dedication to the people of the City of


           22              Scranton.  Your volunteerism is unparalleled


           23              and the quality of your objective coverage I


           24              feel is going to be sorely missed and I am


           25              concerned that it will not be equal and on






            1              behalf of the countless city residents,


            2              because as a council member I cannot tell


            3              you that I have been contacted both by


            4              calling and e-mail by many, many individuals


            5              residing not only within our city, but


            6              outside of our city as well who support you,


            7              who feel that loss already of your presence,


            8              so please know that you always have been


            9              appreciated, you always will be appreciated,


           10              and I do personally apologize for what has


           11              happened to Scranton Today.  I tried very


           12              hard to prevent that, but I do apologize for


           13              the process, the lack of the process with


           14              the Ethics Commission, it does seem that the


           15              deck is stacked and for reasons we can only


           16              conjecture up here, but it is apparent that


           17              it has been stacked.  But, again, I thank


           18              you so very much for ten wonderful,


           19              wonderful years of service and I think we


           20              all do.  And that's it.


           21                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mrs. Evans.


           22              Mrs. Gatelli.


           23                      MS. GATELLI: Well, I just have one


           24              thing, this Thursday and several of the


           25              issues that Mrs. Evans spoke about and her






            1              complaints are being addressed by the South


            2              Side Community Justice Program.  As I stated


            3              last week, he we have reinstituted our


            4              program.  We had more people at our meeting


            5              last week than we had at the neighborhood


            6              meeting, so it was very fulfilling to see


            7              that many people from the neighborhood.


            8                      We will be meeting at 10 a.m. on


            9              Thursday morning and we will start our


           10              walks, we will have the police and the


           11              district attorney and an inspector and


           12              anyone who has any complaints please forward


           13              to them our e-mail or to Mrs. Garvey and we


           14              will address them on our walk this Thursday.


           15              Thank you.  That's it.


           16                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.


           17              Mrs. Fanucci.


           18                      MS. FANUCCI: I also will be pretty


           19              brief.  On the Coney Island fire, I was glad


           20              that Mrs. Evans read that letter, we had


           21              already received it, but I was doing


           22              requests on a motion, I think people said


           23              nothing was done, a statement was made that


           24              nothing was being done to help about the


           25              fire cause, so I'm glad to see that.






            1              Obviously, we know that our firemen are


            2              working very hard to try and investigate


            3              what goes on in the city.  So, I will


            4              retract that motion, obviously, to send a


            5              letter to the D.A.'s Office since they are


            6              already involved.


            7                      Also, again, on the statements and


            8              words and what goes on here and whatever


            9              else, I don't know how many different ways I


           10              can say this, but if someone gets up and


           11              they accuse me of something or say something


           12              that is inaccurate I am going to defend


           13              myself and I am going to set them straight


           14              and I will continue to do so as long as I


           15              sit here.  You can say I'm rude.  You can


           16              say whatever, but I think it's rude to get


           17              up here and make statements that are


           18              inaccurate, to put our own spin on what goes


           19              on so that you can, you know, act like you


           20              know what goes on and I'm the one who can


           21              tell you and I will continue to tell you


           22              when people get up here and accuse me of


           23              saying or doing things with motives aren't


           24              accurate I'm going to set them straight.


           25                      It's pretty easy to teel you, you






            1              don't have to ask me, I'm going to tell you.


            2              There is no motive that isn't mine.  There


            3              is no motive that I don't decide on.  I am a


            4              very freewilled person and do as I choose


            5              and do it with the best intent what I feel


            6              goes on.  When I vote I vote with my


            7              conscience and I vote what I think is best


            8              for the city.  We get people here who


            9              totally disagree with me and I totally


           10              disagree with me and that will go in these


           11              chambers forever, that is part of the


           12              democracy that happens here and that is why


           13              we live in a place that is wonderful.  I


           14              think we all say what we have to say, but I


           15              do believe in the lot of the ways that we


           16              say it that words are very powerful and we


           17              need to know when we come into these


           18              chambers that you cannot just say what you


           19              need to say about people and accuse them of


           20              actions that are not true and to stand


           21              behind that as if it is true and expect to


           22              no consequences, that's life.  Just like you


           23              can't go in and yell "Fire" in a movie


           24              theatre, you can't come in here and say


           25              inaccurate things.






            1                      I will say in part, my family is a


            2              very, very good family and I work hard, my


            3              family works hard and I'm not certainly not


            4              going to let these chambers come to take


            5              away any of that.


            6                      Also, I want to thank the last


            7              speaker for the free advertising on my house


            8              being for sale.  I'm sure my realtor will be


            9              very happy for that.  Yes, my home is for


           10              sale, I did answer a question that I do


           11              believe it was probably none of the business


           12              of the residents, but, yes, I a selling my


           13              home, and I can guarantee you that I will be


           14              living in the City of Scranton as long as I


           15              sit on this council, and I love my job and I


           16              certainly am not planning on leaving the


           17              residents here quite so quickly, and that's


           18              all I have.  Thank you.


           19                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mrs. Fanucci.


           20              Mr. Courtright.


           21                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Yes.  I am just


           22              going to briefly speak on 61, a lot of the


           23              speakers brought out questions that I had.


           24              One thing I wasn't aware of was when Mrs.


           25              Palugis spoke at the podium explaining about






            1              the comment that the mayor said why the


            2              channel was chosen the way it was, that


            3              really bothers me.  I wasn't aware of that.


            4              Most of the things I was aware of, but that


            5              I wasn't aware of.  I just think that's


            6              wrong.


            7                      The thing I'd like to say is this


            8              about Channel 61, some people say that the


            9              airing of city council meetings makes the


           10              city look bad and stops businesses from


           11              coming into the city, that is not Scranton


           12              Today's fault, that is not Channel 61's


           13              fault.  If these meetings get out of control


           14              that is our fault of the people that sit up


           15              here, that is the fault of the speakers at


           16              the podium, not Channel 61, they are just


           17              broadcasting what's going on here, so to lay


           18              the blame on them is just totally wrong in


           19              my opinion.


           20                      Kay, I don't know if we could send


           21              notice to Mr. Brazil on this again, maybe


           22              Mrs. Gatelli may have an answer to this, I'm


           23              getting calls again about that restaurant on


           24              Cedar Avenue, whether there's an update on


           25              that, when it's going to be done.






            1                      MS. GATELLI: It's for sale.


            2                      MR. COURTRIGHT: It's for sale.  I


            3              thought we were tearing that down.  No?


            4                      MS. GATELLI: No, it's supposed to be


            5              apartments.  It was supposed to be


            6              apartments in there and they went to zoning


            7              and got approvals to put apartments in there


            8              and they just never did it, so it's for sale


            9              again.  We are going to go there on


           10              Thursday.


           11                      MR. COURTRIGHT: All right.


           12                      MS. GATELLI: I wish it could be torn


           13              down today.


           14                      MR. COURTRIGHT: It's terrible over


           15              there and I don't know how it's gone on this


           16              long.  Kay, if we can ask Mr. Brazil again,


           17              on the Spruce Street complex I'm being told


           18              the lights aren't on there at night right


           19              now?  I don't know why.  If you can maybe


           20              check that out for he.


           21                      And I don't know, I believe Mr.


           22              Doherty told someone he didn't like me send


           23              him letters on this, so I'll ask you to send


           24              him a letter on this, if he doesn't, I'll


           25              call him, I got stopped by a long, long time






            1              business friend on Main Avenue in West


            2              Scranton and he asked me is there any


            3              progress on the project to do the streets


            4              and lighting and whatnot on Main Avenue in


            5              West Scranton, and I told him that, you


            6              know, Congressman Kanjorski I believe it was


            7              about two years ago he offered to help us


            8              and the last time I did speak with the mayor


            9              he said weren't going to go that route, he


           10              was going to be getting money from the


           11              state, but I haven't heard anything since,


           12              so I will ask you to send him a letter what


           13              the status of that is and if he doesn't want


           14              to answer my letter then I guess you can


           15              give me a phone number and I'll call him.


           16              He didn't want to answer my letter last time


           17              he told someone.


           18                      But, $500 a team, $25 a person to


           19              play down at that field doesn't sound right


           20              to me.  I don't know --


           21                      MS. EVANS: That's through a letter


           22              to the University of Scranton --


           23                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Yeah, if you want to


           24              send it to the University of Scranton I


           25              can't imagine that that's going on.  Again,






            1              $20 a player, boy, if you go down and watch


            2              that soccer league.


            3                      Somebody asked me about this, I


            4              don't know if it was Ms. Schumacher, I think


            5              what happens, and this is my opinion, I'm


            6              pretty sure this is what happens, I sat on


            7              the Civil Service Commission for awhile and


            8              what would happen was Mr. Klee, Chief Klee


            9              would tell us, we would inform them that the


           10              list was getting down low, you know, but


           11              back in those days there was a lot of people


           12              on these Scranton police officers, we really


           13              never exhausted the list, very much seldom.


           14              What would happen is there was a list, you


           15              were eligible for two years on this list and


           16              the civil service commission had the


           17              authority to extend it out 30 and sometimes


           18              we did that, but there was only so many


           19              names on the list.  There doesn't seem to be


           20              as many people interested in being a police


           21              officer in the City of Scranton now.  The


           22              list expired without the Civil Service


           23              person giving the test what I believe in a


           24              timely fashion and now we don't have anyone,


           25              we don't have anybody to draw from, so when






            1              I was on the commission it came from the


            2              administration the request and from the


            3              administration before for us to give the


            4              test, but we would inform the administration


            5              that was list was getting down to the point


            6              where there weren't any candidates.  I don't


            7              know if that answers your question or not,


            8              if not stop me afterwards and I'll try to


            9              expand on it further.


           10                      I've been asked again about the


           11              cameras on the poles that I believe we spent


           12              about $300,000 for, there still seems to be


           13              a communication problem where they can't


           14              communicate from the camera to I guess


           15              because it's mostly only done in the police


           16              department, so some of them are up and


           17              running but they are not actually up and


           18              running, some of them can't communicate and


           19              I know when they will all be up and running,


           20              some of them can't communicate and I don't


           21              know the status on when they will all be up


           22              and running.  Some days if you take at look


           23              at the police department they will be


           24              testing the camera and seeing it on the


           25              screen behind the desk, but there seems to






            1              be a problem with the communication so they


            2              are not running.


            3                      And one last thing, the captain was


            4              walking through the hall just now so I


            5              grabbed him and the torch run will be on


            6              20th, it will go from Carbondale to Scranton


            7              so it will be 8:30 on Friday, the torch run,


            8              if anybody is interested in that.  That's


            9              all I have today.  Thank you.


           10                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you,


           11              Mr. Courtright.  Another thing to mention, I


           12              mentioned it before, the Relay for Life will


           13              take place this weekend at Memorial Stadium


           14              June 21 through the 22nd sponsored by the


           15              American Cancer Society.  Donations can be


           16              made, visitors can attend, I would imagine


           17              that if you wanted to be part of a team you


           18              could still find someone that would allow


           19              you to.  Again, a worthy cause and an


           20              activity that is well received throughout


           21              the country as a matter of fact, so that's


           22              this weekend, June 21 and 22.


           23                      I was at the opening of the dog park


           24              on this past Saturday at Connell Park, a


           25              rather wet experience, but there were, you






            1              know, attended by both human and canine


            2              visitors.  It was a very nice program, would


            3              have been better without the rain.      The


            4              Spruce Street lights, I had somebody ask me


            5              about that as well, that there was a certain


            6              number of lights that were on and then the


            7              next day the person came and said, "Thanks


            8              for taking care of the lights."


            9                      Well, it doesn't stop there, about


           10              two days later it was, "Oh, the lights were


           11              out again, who do we contact?"


           12                      So I don't know what the problem


           13              was, why they were out one time and on the


           14              next day or what was happening, but I was


           15              actually unsure is that --


           16                      MS. GATELLI: PennDOT does it?


           17                      MR. MCGOFF: PennDOT?  But, we will


           18              try to find out about the Spruce Street


           19              lights, but they were working since there


           20              was a complaint that they were not working.


           21                      And the last thing, again, I guess a


           22              lot is being said about ECTV, I firmly


           23              believe that broadcasting of government


           24              meetings is an important thing to do which


           25              is why, you know, last year sometime I voted






            1              to have Channel 61 back in council chambers.


            2              I believe it's necessary and I believe that


            3              it's for some people the only way in which


            4              they have participation in the government


            5              around them and also firmly believe that


            6              Channel 61 will continue to operate.  I


            7              firmly believe that it will continue to


            8              broadcast government meetings.  I don't


            9              think that there is any attempt to cover up


           10              anything, to silence anybody, to hide any--


           11              one of the speakers said, "It's just a


           12              camera."


           13                      I think that was the most telling


           14              statement that was made and as


           15              Mr. Courtright said, the camera doesn't


           16              change anybody's behavior.  It is we who are


           17              responsible for what happens here not a


           18              camera, and I guess what I'm getting to is


           19              that I guess I do feel badly that Scranton


           20              Today is no longer operating or will no


           21              longer operate Channel 61, but I do believe


           22              that it will continue to operate.  A


           23              decision was made, I still believe that


           24              decision was made in a fair and equitable


           25              way.  I knew some of the people that were on






            1              the committee that made the choice, I


            2              trusted their judgment.  I believe them to


            3              be honest reliable citizens and I don't know


            4              that it was a flawed process, I know that


            5              there are people are upset at the fact that


            6              Scranton Today will not longer be operating


            7              Channel 61, but I'm believe that we have to


            8              do what we can to continue to see that there


            9              is a continued operation of Channel 61, and


           10              that is all.  Mrs. Garvey.


           11                      MS. GARVEY: FIFTH ORDER.  5-B. FOR




           13              "NO PARKING" ZONE ALONG THE SOUTHERLY SIDE


           14              OF MULBERRY STREET (S.R. 3027) FROM THE NOW


           15              VACATED HITCHCOCK COURT EAST TO A POINT


           16              SEVENTY FIVE FEET (75') EAST OF THE CENTER


           17              LINE OF ROYAL WAY (QUINCY AVENUE VACATED)


           18              THE SAME DISTANCE AS MOR PARTICULARLY






           21              TO ROYAL WAY.


           22                      MR. MCGOFF: At this time I'll


           23              entertain a motion that Item 5-B be


           24              introduced into it's proper committee.


           25                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.






            1                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.




            3                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


            4              those in favor signify by saying aye.


            5                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


            6                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


            7                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


            8                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


            9                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           10              ayes have it and so moved.


           11                      MS. GARVEY: 5-C. FOR INTRODUCTION -


           12              AN ORDINANCE - REMOVING PARKING METERS ON


           13              THE SOUTHERLY SIDE OF MULBERRY STREET (S.R.


           14              3027) FROM THE NOW VACATED HITCHCOCK COURT


           15              TO MCKENNA COURT, THE SAME DISTANCE AS MORE




           17              ATTACHED HERETO, IN THE "NO PARKING" ZONE




           19              THE DRIVEWAY OF THE NEW UNIVERSITY OF


           20              SCRANTON CAMPUS CENTER.


           21                      MR. MCGOFF: At this time I'll


           22              entertain a motion that Item 5-C be


           23              introduced into it's proper committee.


           24                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.


           25                      MS. FANUCCI:  Second.






            1                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


            2              those in favor signify by saying aye.


            3                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


            4                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


            5                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


            6                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


            7                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


            8              ayes have it and so moved.


            9                      MS. GARVEY: 5-D. FOR INTRODUCTION -


           10              AN ORDINANCE - AMENDING FILE OF COUNCIL NO.


           11              123, 2007, ENTITLED, "AN ORDINANCE




           13              OFFICIALS OF THE CITY OF SCRANTON TO TAKE






           16              PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT PROGRAMS (AS


           17              AMENDED) TO BE FUNDED UNDER THE COMMUNITY






           20              EMERGENCY SHELTER GRANT (ESG) PROGRAM", BY


           21              TRANSFERRING $216,628.42 FROM PROJECT 05-154


           22              FRIENDSHIP HOUSE AND $24,371.58 FROM PROJECT


           23              05-154.1 FRIENDSHIP HOUSE TO PROJECT 07-04


           24              PAVING OF CITY STREETS TO INCLUDE


           25              HANDICAPPED CURB CUTS.






            1                      MR. MCGOFF: At this time I'll


            2              entertain a motion that 5-D be introduced


            3              into it's proper committee.


            4                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.


            5                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.


            6                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?


            7                      MS. EVANS: Yes, I'd like to know how


            8              many streets can be paved with this total


            9              amount of money and I would like a


           10              comprehensive list of those streets that are


           11              designated for paving.


           12                      MR. MCGOFF: And I think that should


           13              be done on behalf of council, that would be


           14              a fair question.  Anyone else?  All those in


           15              favor signify by saying aye.


           16                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           17                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           18                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           19                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           20                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           21              ayes have it and so moved.


           22                      MS. GARVEY: 5-E.  FOR INTRODUCTION -


           23              AN ORDINANCE - AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF












            2              PLANNING BY THE CITY OF SCRANTON AND THE




            4              TOWNSHIP, CLARKS GREEN BOROUGH, CLARKS


            5              SUMMIT BOROUGH, DALTON BOROUGH, DUNMORE






            8              TOWNSHIP AND WEST ABINGTON TOWNSHIP.


            9                      MR. MCGOFF: At this time I'll


           10              entertain a motion that Item 5-E be


           11              introduced into it's proper committee.


           12                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  So moved.


           13                      MS. FANUCCI:  Second.


           14                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?


           15                      MS. EVANS:  I do you recall from


           16              today's caucus that a SAPPA representative


           17              would like to speak with council, having


           18              been given an update provided last week with


           19              regard to a meeting that would have been


           20              conducted in our city.  Obviously, the first


           21              full length draft has not yet been presented


           22              to any of the entities, and so I would


           23              encourage my honorable colleagues to perhaps


           24              enable this piece of legislation until such


           25              time as either we are able to speak with the






            1              SAPPA representative about the full-length


            2              draft or be in possession of that draft.


            3                      MR. MCGOFF: Anyone else?


            4                      MS. GATELLI:  When are they coming?


            5                      MR. MCGOFF: I believe the date was


            6              not until July --


            7                      MS. GARVEY: Fifteenth.  I believe


            8              it's July 15 is what you agreed on in the


            9              back.


           10                      MS. GATELLI: And then we have three


           11              weeks.


           12                      MS. EVANS: Well, we can always make


           13              it --


           14                      MS. GATELLI: Well, why don't we move


           15              it until the final one so we'll be ready for


           16              it once they come.


           17                      MS. EVANS: That's fine.


           18                      MS. GATELLI: Or we could vote it


           19              down, you know what I mean?


           20                      MS. EVANS: Yes.  I'd just like to be


           21              able to actually see it--


           22                      MS. GATELLI: Yes, I agree with you.


           23                      MS. EVANS: -- and read it prior to.


           24                      MS. GATELLI: Let's move it to the


           25              last and then we'll table it.






            1                      MR. MCGOFF: So you're withdrawing


            2              the motion?


            3                      MS. EVANS: Well, I didn't make a


            4              motion, I just asked about it.


            5                      MR. MCGOFF: Okay, I'm sorry.


            6                      MS. GATELLI: It was on the question.


            7                      MR. MCGOFF: Anyone else?  All those


            8              in favor of introduction signify by saying


            9              aye.


           10                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           11                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           12                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           13                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           14                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           15              ayes have it and so moved.


           16                      MS. GARVEY: 5-F. FOR INTRODUCTION -


           17              AN ORDINANCE - APPROVING THE TRANSFER OF A




           19              ANN MARIE KULICK T/A/ ANN'S BAR, 160


           20              BOULEVARD AVENUE, THROOP, PA 18512, LICENSE


           21              NO. R-15082 TO KENDRA A. RICCIO ENTERPRISES,


           22              LLC T/A/ "BALLINA" FOR USE AT 2934 BIRNEY


           23              AVENUE, SCRANTON, PA. AS REQUIRED BY THE


           24              PENNSYLVANIA LIQUOR CONTROL BOARD.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF: At this time I'll






            1              entertain a motion that Item 5-F be


            2              introduced into it's proper committee.


            3                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  So moved.


            4                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.


            5                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


            6              those in favor signify by saying aye.


            7                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


            8                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


            9                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           10                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           11                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           12              ayes have it and so moved.


           13                      MS. GARVEY: We need a motion for a


           14              public hearing.


           15                      MR. MCGOFF: I ask for a motion for a


           16              public hearing.


           17                      MS. GATELLI:  I'll make a motion we


           18              have a public hearing on this.


           19                      MS. GARVEY: June 24 at 6:50, is that


           20              what you want?  We're at daytime now, 9:50.


           21                      MR. MCGOFF:  All in favor?


           22                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           23                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           24                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           25                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.






            1                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


            2              ayes have it and so moved.


            3                      MS. GARVEY: 5-G. FOR INTRODUCTION -


            4              AN ORDINANCE - AMENDING FILE OF COUNCIL NO.


            5              123 OF 2007, ENTITLED, "AN ORDINANCE




            7              OFFICIALS OF THE CITY OF SCRANTON TO TAKE






           10              PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT PROGRAMS (AS


           11              AMENDED) TO BE FUNDED UNDER THE COMMUNITY






           14              EMERGENCY SHELTER GRANT (ESG) PROGRAM", BY


           15              TRANSFERRING $90,000.00 FROM PROJECT 02-234




           17              NO. 08-248 ELECTRIC CITY TELEVISION.


           18                      MR. MCGOFF: At this time I'll


           19              entertain a motion that Item 5-G be


           20              introduced into it's proper committee.


           21                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  So moved.


           22                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question.


           24                      MR. COURTRIGHT: On the question, I'm


           25              going to be voting, no, to this ECTV thing






            1              and not to beat a dead horse here I just


            2              think there is too much questions and I fear


            3              for what's going to happen in the future.  I


            4              totally disagree with the playing of -- I


            5              don't know you say that city council maybe


            6              played three times a day everyday for the


            7              entire week, but I believe city council and


            8              other governmental agencies should be played


            9              more than one time just for the people to


           10              see their government, and by saying you are


           11              only going to play it one time I think that,


           12              and I'm not saying that you are trying to


           13              hid something, but I think it's gives the


           14              impression that you are trying to hide


           15              something.  And I sincerely hope that they


           16              do not edit any of the meetings either for


           17              good or bad, let people see the government


           18              the way it happens and sometimes, you know,


           19              it's ugly, but that's the way it is, it's


           20              ugly sometimes, but that's all I have.


           21                      MS. EVANS: I think it's also very


           22              prudent to weigh the pros and cons of this


           23              situation and we have on the one hand a new


           24              organization with little to no experience


           25              where one of the cofounders has






            1              disassociated himself with the organization


            2              and another cofounder according to some of


            3              the testimony presented today has very


            4              evident financial problems and this is the


            5              gentleman who will be signing on the dotted


            6              line for this $90,000, and in addition to


            7              that we have an operation that isn't costing


            8              everyone nearly as much.  I mean, one-tenth


            9              as much for operation as what is being


           10              requested for startup costs for ECTV.


           11                      And, finally, I think what concerns


           12              me and it was mentioned Mr. Courtright


           13              earlier I believe would be the fact that


           14              granted the mayor makes the ultimate


           15              decision, but for a mayor to say, "I don't


           16              like this" or "I don't want this" or to


           17              suggest to the Board of Directors such


           18              directions or programming and presentation


           19              of government meetings that should raise a


           20              red flag for everyone who lives in the City


           21              of Scranton and that's government control of


           22              the media, or at least attempted government


           23              control of the media and that's a


           24              frightening concept, and so I think, as I


           25              said, when you weigh the pros and cons of






            1              this situation the scales are tipped very


            2              definitely in one direction and it's a


            3              matter of simply doing the right thing.


            4                      MR. MCGOFF:  I'd like to just


            5              comment briefly, we have been here, you


            6              know, on numerous occasions when money has


            7              been requested for the operation of Channel


            8              61, and I realize we've voted, yes, no,


            9              whatever, it has been back and forth, but it


           10              appears now that the question is not the


           11              funding, but who is receiving the funding.


           12              I don't think that we can have it both ways.


           13              That if we want to fund -- if we want to


           14              fund Channel 61 then this is a means by way


           15              you can do it, so what we're saying after


           16              our meeting today is that we are not opposed


           17              to funding, we are opposed to the people who


           18              will be receiving the funding.


           19                      Again, I believe that we do need to


           20              ensure that Channel 61 will continue to


           21              operate.  I believe that the decision on


           22              ECTV is irrevocable, and that it will be


           23              operator of Channel 61 and that there are


           24              some questions I think that those are


           25              questions that perhaps we can pursue to have






            1              answered, but I feel that if we are going to


            2              continue to go forward with open and, again,


            3              I go back to a camera, a camera can't hide


            4              what takes place, it's just a camera.  It


            5              doesn't matter who is on operating it.  It


            6              will show what is taking place and while


            7              people may have some reservations about the


            8              number of times that it will been shown I


            9              think that that's something that we can deal


           10              with in the future, I believe that we should


           11              move forward and, yes, look into some of the


           12              questions that are being raised, but that


           13              the continued operation of Channel 61 is


           14              essentially and is funded and supported.


           15                      MS. EVANS: I just wanted to clarify


           16              some of my statements in the event that they


           17              might become somewhat confused based on what


           18              Mr. McGoff's comments.  First of all, my


           19              decision is not personal.  My decision a


           20              based on cold hard facts and it certainly is


           21              not specifically, let us say, a matter as


           22              was suggested not funding, but who receives


           23              the funding because actually it greatly


           24              involves the funding.  Scranton Today was to


           25              be provided with $20,000 and that would have






            1              covered a six-month period, now we are


            2              looking at $90,000 for a six-month period


            3              July through December.


            4                      Scranton Today would have liked a


            5              percentage of the cable franchise fee which


            6              would be enacted when a new contract with


            7              the cable carrier will be negotiated by the


            8              city.  Now, what that asked for was a


            9              percentage of what Scranton Today asked for


           10              pales in comparison to the percentage asked


           11              for by Electric City TV and those are


           12              monies, the cable franchise fee, is money


           13              that comes into the city's operating budget,


           14              so the comparison of the percentages is also


           15              going to effect our budget, so it's not, as


           16              I said, it's not a personal issue of "I like


           17              you, I dislike you", this is a factual end,


           18              this is dollars and cents, and this is


           19              experience and this is credentials.  And I


           20              think, you know, it's very self-evident on


           21              what this council should base it's decisions


           22              and I think basically it's basing it's


           23              decision on something personal and that is


           24              the personal wish of the mayor of the City


           25              of Scranton.






            1                      MS. FANUCCI: I can't believe you say


            2              that.  I mean, you can't decide what I'm


            3              going to say or what I feel, just like I


            4              would say that yours is personal because you


            5              don't want it because you want it to be


            6              here, it would be the same exact thing.


            7                      MS. EVANS: But I do --


            8                      MS. FANUCCI:  But I want to say


            9              don't put words in my mouth, Mrs. Evans.


           10              You decide what you decide, I decide what I


           11              decide, and please do not make accusations


           12              on my behalf.  Thank you.  Thank you.


           13                      MS. EVANS: Which is why you should


           14              not be making any statement that I wished to


           15              be mayor.  I have not made that statement.


           16                      MS. FANUCCI: You told us last week.


           17              I don't think that was -- I'm sorry -- -


           18                      MS. EVANS: I'm sorry, I never made


           19              any public announcement --


           20                      MS. FANUCCI: I'm sorry, I --


           21                      MS. EVANS: Eat your own words, just


           22              cover your eyes.


           23                      MS. FANUCCI: But certainly I'm not


           24              going to sit here and let someone say why I


           25              decide to and to do what I'm doing.  I do






            1              what I want to do when I'm doing it because


            2              of reasons that I have.  Your factual


            3              information is your factual information, my


            4              information is based on the fact that I


            5              believe we will be getting more for the


            6              money, that's all it is.  The programming, I


            7              liked the proposal, I don't know if you read


            8              it, but I liked it a lot.  I though it was


            9              great for the city, I thought it was great


           10              for the residents and I thought people would


           11              actually get a better amount of programming,


           12              that is why I base my decision on my


           13              decision.  And if did use -- and, don't say


           14              it's personal because if it was personal I


           15              certainly would have done it six years ago,


           16              I would have done it the day I got here and


           17              had the problem, but I talked to Jack many


           18              times.  I have been advocate of 61, so if it


           19              was something personal it certainly was very


           20              personal from day and it certainly has not


           21              been, so I just wanted to clarify that for


           22              the public and also for you.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.


           24                      MS. EVANS: Well, thank you, but I


           25              believe I was saying that it's personal for






            1              the bidding, it's not that personal for me.


            2                      MS. FANUCCI: It's really what --


            3              well, play it back, that's not what you


            4              said.


            5                      MR. MCGOFF: All right.  Anyone else


            6              on the 5-G?  All those in favor of


            7              introduction signify by saying aye.


            8                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


            9                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           10                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?


           11                      MS. EVANS: No.


           12                      MR. COURTRIGHT: No.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF: The ayes have it and so


           14              moved.


           15                      MS. GARVEY: 5-H.  FOR INTRODUCTION -


           16              AN ORDINANCE - ACCEPTING AND ORDAINING A


           17              FOUR (4) FOOT PORTION OF LAND TO WIDEN A






           20              CREATE A RIGHT OF WAY TO TWENTY (20) FEET.


           21                      MR. MCGOFF: At this time I'll


           22              entertain a motion that Item 5-H be


           23              introduced into it's proper committee.


           24                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  So moved.


           25                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.






            1                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


            2              those in favor of introduction signify by


            3              saying aye.


            4                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


            5                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


            6                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


            7                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


            8                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


            9              ayes have it and so moved.


           10                      MS. GARVEY: 5-I.FOR INTRODUCTION - A










           15              BLOCK GRANT LOAN PROGRAM, PROJECT NO. 08-248


           16              IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $90,000.00 TO


           17              ELECTRIC CITY TELEVISION TO ASSIST AN


           18              ELIGIBLE PROJECT.


           19                      MR. MCGOFF:  At this time I'll


           20              entertain a motion that Item 5-I be


           21              introduced into it's proper committee.


           22                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.


           23                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.


           24                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


           25              those in favor of introduction signify by






            1              saying aye.


            2                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


            3                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


            4                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?


            5                      MS. EVANS: No.


            6                      MR. COURTRIGHT: No.


            7                      MR. MCGOFF: The ayes have it and so


            8              moved.


            9                      MS. GARVEY: 5-J.


           10                      FOR INTRODUCTION - A RESOLUTION -


           11              APPROVING FOR ADOPTION THE PROPOSED










           16              THE MUNICIPAL AUTHORITIES ACT OF 2001.


           17                      MR. MCGOFF: At this time I'll


           18              entertain a motion that Item 5-J be


           19              introduced into it's proper committee.


           20                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.


           21                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.


           22                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?


           23                      MS. EVANS: Yes.  This particular


           24              piece of legislation as was noted earlier


           25              but the speaker enables the Recreation






            1              Authority to increase the term of it's


            2              existence for another 50 years.  Now, that


            3              authority basically oversees Nay Aug, sets


            4              the fees at the Nay Aug Park pool yet


            5              council is left through the budget with the


            6              bills for that department and the pool


            7              system, so I believe the council should be


            8              making decisions, council should be setting


            9              those fees and though I might consider an


           10              extension of the their term, a extension of


           11              50 years appears quite excessive in my


           12              opinion, so I will be voting, no.


           13                      MR. COURTRIGHT: On the question, Mr.


           14              McGoff, I will be voting, yes, to move it


           15              forward.  I don't know if it's possible to


           16              ask this administration if they could change


           17              the elected time, 50 years is a little


           18              excessive, I was thinking ten years or


           19              something to that effect if they were


           20              willing to do that then maybe some people


           21              would probably vote, yes, if they could drop


           22              it down to ten years or somewhere more


           23              reasonable.


           24                      MS. GATELLI:  Make a motion.


           25                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I'll vote, yes,






            1              then.


            2                      MR. MCGOFF: Can't we make a motion


            3              to amend it at this time?


            4                      MR. MINORA: Well, I think you have


            5              to go back to the authority.  They are the


            6              corporate body, they've got to make the


            7              submission and they submit it to us for


            8              approval.  I think we can either vote it up


            9              or down or open it and tell them you want it


           10              reduced to a particular term and then if


           11              they are agreeable to that to either


           12              resubmit it or agree to our motion and then


           13              amend it that way.


           14                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Would you make that


           15              request on our behalf?


           16                      MR. MINORA: I will.  I'm not sure I


           17              know who the solicitor is for the Recreation


           18              Authority.  Kay just told me it's Paul


           19              Kelly.


           20                      MR. MCGOFF:  Thank you.  All those


           21              in favor of introduction signify by saying


           22              aye.


           23                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           24                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           25                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.






            1                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?


            2                      MS. EVANS: No.


            3                      MR. MCGOFF: The ayes have it and so


            4              moved.


            5                      MS. GARVEY: 5-K. FOR INTRODUCTION -


            6              A RESOLUTION - AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND






            9              04R007 WITH THE COMMONWEALTH OF




           11              ("PENNDOT") FOR THE 500 BLOCK OF LACKAWANNA


           12              AVENUE PROJECT ENTITLED: PARK, PLAZA AND


           13              PEDESTRIAN COURT.


           14                      MR. MCGOFF: At this time I'll


           15              entertain a motion that 5-K be introduced


           16              into it's proper committee.


           17                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.


           18                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.


           19                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?


           20                      MS. EVANS: I have also approved


           21              economic projects during my term as city


           22              council and I was very supportive of this


           23              project in particular from it's inception in


           24              2004, however, it was approximately a year


           25              ago that I learned this particular economic






            1              development project didn't include two city


            2              anchors, two tax paying businesses, Coney


            3              Island and Buona Pizza.  They have been


            4              treated most unfairly and until these


            5              longstanding businesses are respected and


            6              satisfied I will not be satisfied.


            7                      A true win-win situation,


            8              progressive economic development includes


            9              the entire 500 block of Lackawanna Avenue


           10              because, after all, you can't make a


           11              sandwich without the two pieces of bread.


           12                      MR. MCGOFF: Anyone else on 5-K?  All


           13              those in favor of introduction signify by


           14              saying aye.


           15                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           16                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           17                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           18                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?


           19                      MS. EVANS: No.


           20                      MR. MCGOFF: The ayes have it and so


           21              moved.


           22                      MS. GARVEY: 5-L.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF: Excuse me, could we just


           24              take a two-minute recess?


           25                      (Recess taken.)






            1                      MS. GARVEY:  5-L.  FOR INTRODUCTION


            2              - A RESOLUTION - ACCEPTING THE


            3              RECOMMENDATION OF THE HISTORICAL


            4              ARCHITECTURE REVIEW BOARD ("HARB") AND




            6              FOR THE UNIVERSITY OF SCRANTON, 800 LINDEN










           11              CENTER, 342-348 JEFFERSON AVENUE.


           12                      MR. MCGOFF: At this time I'll


           13              entertain a motion that 5-L be introduced


           14              into it's proper committee.


           15                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.


           16                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.


           17                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?  All


           18              those in favor signify by saying aye.


           19                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           20                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           21                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           22                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           24              ayes have it and so moved.


           25                      MS. GARVEY:  5-M. FOR INTRODUCTION--






            1                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Wait, Mrs. Garvey,


            2              before you go on, I'm going to abstain and I


            3              would ask Mr. Minora why the fact --


            4                      MS. GARVEY: Bill, he stepped out.


            5                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I'll talk to him


            6              afterwards, but awhile back I voted on


            7              legislation from the Lackawanna College and


            8              I teach the police academy there and an


            9              attorney had made a comment that maybe it


           10              wasn't appropriate for me to vote on


           11              legislation giving Lackawanna College and I


           12              think they sent something to the Ethics


           13              Commission and they said it was all right


           14              for me to do that, but I would ask


           15              Mr. Minora to check again, so I'll abstain


           16              today until I find out.


           17                      MR. GARVEY: 5-M. FOR INTRODUCTION -


           18              A RESOLUTION - APPROVING THE FINANCING BY






           21              THE BENEFIT OF LACKAWANNA COLLEGE, A




           23              DECLARING THAT IT IS DESIRABLE FOR THE


           24              HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE OF THE PEOPLE OF


           25              THE CITY OF SCRANTON, LACKAWANNA COUNTY,






            1              PENNSYLVANIA AND THE AREA SERVED BY


            2              LACKAWANNA COLLEGE, TO HAVE PROJECTS


            3              PROVIDED BY AND FINANCED THROUGH THE


            4              AUTHORITY; DESIGNATING THE MAYOR OF THE


            5              CITY, OR, IN HIS ABSENCE, THE PRESIDENT OF


            6              VICE PRESIDENT OF THE COUNCIL OF THE CITY,


            7              AS THE PERSON TO ACT ON BEHALF OF THE CITY




            9              CODE OF 1986, AS AMENDED; AUTHORIZING SUCH


           10              MAYOR OF THE CITY OF THE PRESIDENT OR VICE


           11              PRESIDENT OF THE CITY COUNCIL TO TAKE


           12              CERTAIN ACTIONS ON BEHALF OF THE CITY


           13              COUNCIL AS SUCH "APPLICABLE ELECTED




           15              NECESSARY AND APPROPRIATE ACTION.


           16                      MR. MCGOFF: At this time I'll


           17              entertain a motion that Item 5-M be


           18              introduced into it's proper committee.


           19                      MS. FANUCCI:  So moved.


           20                      MS. EVANS: Second.


           21                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?


           22                      MS. EVANS:  Yes.  Having read the


           23              background or supporting materials for this


           24              particular piece of legislation I can assure


           25              the taxpayers that according to the language






            1              the full, faith and credit of the City of


            2              Scranton is not part of this agreement,


            3              hence, the taxpayers are not responsible in


            4              the event of failure of payment.


            5                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.  Anyone else


            6              on 5-M?  All those in favor signify by


            7              saying aye.


            8                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


            9                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           10                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           11                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?


           12                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Abstain.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF: One abstention.  The


           14              ayes have it and so moved.


           15                      MS. GARVEY: 5-N.  FOR INTRODUCTION -


           16              A RESOLUTION - AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR THE




           18              SCRANTON TO EXECUTE AND ENTER INTO A






           21              AEROSPACE WORKERS LOCAL NO. 2462 (CLERICAL


           22              UNION).


           23                      MR. MCGOFF:  At this time I'll


           24              entertain a motion that Item 5-N be


           25              introduced into it's proper committee.






            1                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.


            2                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.


            3                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?


            4                      MS. EVANS: Yes, I had asked how the


            5              city intends to pay for any increases that a


            6              result from this particular contract.  I can


            7              state that any funds necessary to meet these


            8              additional costs most likely will be taken


            9              from an contingency, although, some funds


           10              are already budgeted in the other salary


           11              funds category.


           12                      MR. MCGOFF: All those in favor of


           13              introduction signify by saying aye.


           14                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           15                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           16                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           17                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           18                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           19              ayes have it and so moved.


           20                      MS. GARVEY: SIXTH ORDER.  NO


           21              BUSINESS AT THIS TIME.  SEVENTH ORDER.  NO


           22              BUSINESS AT THIS TIME.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you for your


           24              participation.  Motion to adjourn.


           25                      MS. EVANS: So moved.






            1                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.
























































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            4        I hereby certify that the proceedings and


            5   evidence are contained fully and accurately in the


            6   notes of testimony taken by me at the hearing of the


            7   above-captioned matter and that the foregoing is a true


            8   and correct transcript of the same to the best of my


            9   ability.







                                    CATHENE S. NARDOZZI, RPR

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