1              SCRANTON CITY COUNCIL MEETING








            5                          HELD:




            7                   Tuesday, May 6, 2008




            9                        LOCATION:


           10                    Council Chambers


           11                 Scranton City Hall


           12              340 North Washington Avenue


           13                Scranton, Pennsylvania





















                            CATHENE S. NARDOZZI- COURT REPORTER






















                MS. JANET E. EVANS



            9   MS. SHERRY FANUCCI



                MR. WILLIAM COURTRIGHT



           12   MS. KAY GARVEY, CITY CLERK






           15   MR. AMIL MINORA, SOLICITOR


























            1                      (Pledge of Allegiance and moment of


            2              reflection observed.)


            3                      MR. MCGOFF: Roll call.  All present.


            4              Dispense with the reading of the minutes.


            5                      MS. GARVEY: Third order, 3-A.


            6                      MR. MCGOFF: Are there any comments?


            7              If not received and filed.


            8                      MS. GARVEY: That's it for Third


            9              Order.


           10                      MR. MCGOFF: Prior to going to


           11              citizen's participation, I would just like


           12              to make mention of something that took place


           13              last week.  One of the speakers made a


           14              somewhat derogatory comment about the city


           15              forester, a gentleman who works tirelessly


           16              at his own -- pretty much at his own expense


           17              who has volunteered for a number of years to


           18              work in the city with the trees and the


           19              plant life in the city and does a tremendous


           20              job and somebody made, as I said, a kind of


           21              derogatory comment, and I would just like to


           22              -- it escaped me at the time and I'm sorry


           23              that I didn't address it at the time, but I


           24              would like to apologize to Mr. Santolli for


           25              what was said and at this time really






            1              recognize the fine work that he has done and


            2              thank him for the work that he has done for


            3              the City of Scranton.  Any other


            4              announcements?


            5                      MS. EVANS: Yes.  On Saturday, May


            6              17, the Northeastern Pennsylvania Chapter of


            7              the Cystic Fibrosis Foundation will conduct


            8              the Great Strides Fundraising Walk at Nay


            9              Aug Park beginning at 10:00 a.m.  Everyone


           10              is invited to participate.  You may also


           11              drop off donations before the walk at 10


           12              a.m. as well.


           13                      MS. GATELLI: I just have a couple of


           14              items as social director.  This Saturday at


           15              the Cultural Center part of the children's


           16              series will be the show Max and Ruby and it


           17              starts at 11:00.  Tickets can be had by


           18              calling 344-1111.


           19                      This Thursday evening the South Side


           20              Lion's Club is having a dinner at the Dante


           21              Club, 1916 Prospect Avenue, and you can get


           22              tickets at 604-0809.


           23                      Boy Scout Troop 11 in West Side is


           24              having a yard sale at the park at the corner


           25              of Main and Price on Saturday all day.






            1                   Friday evening benefiting the Women's


            2              Resource Center is Jazz on Jefferson.  It


            3              will in the 800 block of Jefferson Avenue.


            4              There will food, cocktails and jazz by the


            5              Marco Marsinco Quintet, and that's all I


            6              have.  Thank you, Mr. McGoff.


            7                      MR. MCGOFF: I'm sorry, let me add


            8              one other thing that was mentioned last


            9              week, just to mention it again, on Thursday,


           10              May 8t, the Intergovernmental Affairs


           11              Committee of the Pennsylvania House of


           12              Representatives will be holding a public


           13              hearing on the Real Identification Act of


           14              2005.  This meeting will be held at the


           15              University of Scranton Reddington Hall,


           16              that's located at 1120 Linden Street.  The


           17              public hearing will start at 10 a.m. and end


           18              at 12 noon.  Anyone interested it deals with


           19              the identification I believe that will be


           20              required under this Act, personal


           21              identification for all persons and they will


           22              discuss the implementation of the law for


           23              the State of Pennsylvania and implications


           24              it may have for all of us.  Anything else?


           25              If not, Fourth Order, Citizens






            1              Participation.  Andy Sbaraglia.


            2                      MR. SBARAGLIA: Andy Sbaraglia,


            3              citizen of Scranton.  Fellow Scrantonians, I


            4              want some clarification of 7-C this loan to


            5              Coopers.  From what I read, the original


            6              loan was for $300,000 and I assume they paid


            7              a lot back except the $71,217.78.  Now, we


            8              are canceling the $300,000 loan, obviously,


            9              that was completed because if they are


           10              selling the building they would have to pay.


           11              You can't have a lien against the property


           12              when you sell it, you got to satisfy that


           13              lien.  So, hence, you are giving them this


           14              new loan.  Now, what is the collateral on


           15              this new loan?


           16                      MS. FANUCCI: Would you like me to


           17              clarify?


           18                      MR. MCGOFF: It's not a new loan,


           19              it's a removal of collateral from the


           20              building so that it may be sold.


           21                      MS. FANUCCI: They are still


           22              obligated to satisfy the $76,000.


           23                      MR. SBARAGLIA: What is the


           24              collateral now?


           25                      MR. MCGOFF: Personal guarantees.






            1                      MR. SBARAGLIA: You are talking a


            2              personal note is what is amounts to?  Now


            3              the city is in business of giving out


            4              personal notes?


            5                      MS. FANUCCI: No.


            6                      MR. SBARAGLIA: I guess you are


            7              because you are doing it.


            8                      MS. FANUCCI: No, not correct.


            9                      MR. SBARAGLIA: You didn't put a lien


           10              against Coopers restaurant, which you could


           11              have.


           12                      MS. FANUCCI: Their personal


           13              guarantee includes -- it could be anything.


           14              People come in all of the time with their


           15              personal guarantees.  The fact is that they


           16              paid almost $200,000 and they cannot sell


           17              the business with this on it, so they are


           18              selling the business and the guarantee that


           19              they are still going to pay back the


           20              $76,000.


           21                      MR. SBARAGLIA:  But, it's still a


           22              personal note regardless of what they are --


           23              there is no collateral on a personal note


           24              other than the loan being on the person that


           25              you're giving it to.






            1                      MS. FANUCCI: Let me talk to Attorney


            2              Minora for a minute.  Can you explain that?


            3                      MR. MINORA: A personal guarantee is


            4              a lien.  The lien is placed in the


            5              courthouse, it then becomes a lien on their


            6              personal real estate and all personal


            7              property, so it's not a personal note that's


            8              in somebody's drawer.  It's recorded in


            9              Court and it then becomes a lien on any


           10              other personal property, the home, their


           11              lake property, their cars, their stocks,


           12              bonds, 401K's, all of those things.


           13                      MR. SBARAGLIA: And, of course --


           14                      MR. MINORA: And they are obligated


           15              under a personal guarantee.  So a personal


           16              guarantee is very burdensome thing for


           17              somebody to sign onto.


           18                      MR. SBARAGLIA: I understand that.  I


           19              don't know why they just didn't pay off the


           20              loan?


           21                      MS. FANUCCI: They probably will.  I


           22              have a feeling once they sell the business


           23              that might be happen.


           24                      MR. SBARAGLIA: That would be the


           25              most logical thing to do, just pay off the






            1              loan and be done with it.  Okay.  So we got


            2              into that a little.


            3                      MS. FANUCCI: That's okay.


            4                      MR. SBARAGLIA: There's a little note


            5              in the paper today, Lackawanna County is


            6              selling a property in Scranton, Lackawanna


            7              County Tax Claim Bureau is selling a


            8              property in Scranton.  1220-1222 6th Avenue


            9              in Scranton, PA.  I don't really see -- this


           10              is first time I ever saw the county actually


           11              without a tax sale selling a quiet title to


           12              this, in other words, somebody went before


           13              the I guess Lackawanna County Tax Bureau,


           14              it's a duplex house, a beautiful home, it's


           15              worth about probably $50,000, okay?  There


           16              they are selling it for four.  So I talked


           17              to the guy, thank God he got a lawyer


           18              working on it, but I think this is going to


           19              be the same thing as the lot on Cedar Avenue


           20              where it's going to have to go to Court and


           21              whatever it was, but somewhere alone the


           22              line these homes that are decent should be


           23              put for auction and not with these quick


           24              titles.  This is a joke.  A $50,000 home


           25              going for four.  You can all go down and






            1              look at it.  It's really -- it's where the


            2              buses -- they keep the buses for the school,


            3              it's right there.  The house is terrific.  I


            4              guess they are cleaning it out a little, but


            5              the house looks nice and I think it could


            6              have been, thank God they got a lawyer, I


            7              don't know if the lady died or what, I don't


            8              know all of the conditions that it was,


            9              apparently, they were three months in


           10              arrears -- or three years in arrears, I


           11              assume that because from what my taxes


           12              that's on the books for $11,000 my house,


           13              single house, was on the books for $11,000


           14              so that's about three years taxes that they


           15              said they owe.


           16                      I mean, something ought to be done


           17              about these things.  You got to look into it


           18              more into what they are doing to us.  I


           19              mean, there are decent homes, either they


           20              are ripping them down or they are selling


           21              them quick title behind them, quick title


           22              means somebody going went down there and put


           23              a bid in, that's all it is, I mean, the poor


           24              guy is going to have to go now before the


           25              judge, I guess, that's the normal procedure






            1              and then say either the taxes are paid or


            2              overbid the people that bid the house for


            3              $4,000, but it's the price of the house that


            4              bothered me.  It's not so much that it was


            5              being done, it's that it's done at the


            6              ridiculous price.  There's something got to


            7              be done to stop that.  Thank you.


            8                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you,


            9              Mr. Sbaraglia.  Ozzie Quinn.


           10                      MR. QUINN:  Ozzie Quinn, Taxpayers'


           11              Association.  I want to pick up where I left


           12              last week.  We were speaking about the


           13              monitoring reports that were done that were


           14              wrong by Mrs. Fanucci for the last three


           15              years.


           16                      MS. FANUCCI: That's a ridiculous


           17              statement.  You keep going with your




           19                      MR. QUINN: I don't want hear --Mr.


           20              McGoff --


           21                      MS. FANUCCI: I know you're going to


           22              say there is sweeping it under the rug.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF: That is inappropriate.


           24                      MS. FANUCCI: It is very


           25              inappropriate.






            1                      MR. QUINN: Inappropriate.


            2                      MS. FANUCCI: You are going to run to


            3              your Habitat?


            4                      MR. QUINN:  Mrs. Fanucci did not


            5              produce any of the monitoring reports for


            6              the last three years that were prepared by


            7              HUD mailing the City of Scranton for


            8              mismanagement and misappropriation.


            9                      MS. FANUCCI: Did you get that from


           10              Habitat to Humanity?


           11                      MR. QUINN: And it is documented and


           12              it was read off a document, okay?  A


           13              gentleman, a man would apologize if he was


           14              wrong, we would call that person a


           15              gentleman.  A woman apologize, we could call


           16              that person a gentlewoman.  She is not a


           17              gentle woman, and I want to tell you


           18              something right now, the fact is and I'm


           19              telling you these monitoring reports are not


           20              my makeup reports, these are documents and


           21              they are in the hands of the Scranton Times


           22              if they ver do anything with them.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.


           24                      MR. QUINN:  The fact is that the


           25              performance report that I reviewed and I got






            1              that they have a letter over there that


            2              shows that there was sent already to HUD, I


            3              looked on the HUD website and on the report


            4              that they sent into Philadelphia they said


            5              they were creating 116 jobs in 2007,


            6              however, the HUD report now says they are --


            7              they are creating eight jobs because I asked


            8              for documentation in the files to show that


            9              these jobs actually exist by a low to


           10              moderate income.


           11                      This monitoring report, this


           12              performance report shows that we have spent


           13              two and a half million dollars out to loan


           14              for 27 loans which were 2.5 was spent for


           15              people who did not qualify, okay?  They did


           16              not meet the low to moderate income.


           17                      MS. FANUCCI: That's such a lie.


           18                      MR. QUINN:  And they didn't satisfy


           19              the job.  I have the documentation.


           20                      MS. FANUCCI: You are such a liar.


           21                      MR. QUINN: So, don't let that lady


           22              mislead you --


           23                      MR. MCGOFF: Excuse me.  Stop the


           24              pointing of the fingers and that lady.


           25                      MR. QUINN: I can do whatever I went






            1              up here --


            2                      MR. MCGOFF:  If you have information


            3              present --


            4                      MR. QUINN: -- Mr. McGoff, as long as


            5              I am not swearing or belittling anybody.


            6                      MS. FANUCCI: You are correct.


            7                      MR. QUINN:  There is nothing that


            8              you can't say that I'm going to put my hands


            9              in my pocket, so don't try to order me


           10              around when I know that I have documentation


           11              and you are trying to defend her.  You are


           12              wrong and you are hurting these taxpayers in


           13              the City of Scranton by hiding this stuff.


           14              It's this stuff.


           15                      MR. MCGOFF: Was it hidden from you,


           16              Mr. Quinn?


           17                      MR. QUINN:  Pardon?


           18                      MR. MCGOFF: Was it hidden from you?


           19                      MR. QUINN:  Did you look at it?  Did


           20              you ever see it?


           21                      MR. MCGOFF: Excuse me?


           22                      MS. FANUCCI: Was it in a vault


           23              somewhere?


           24                      MR. QUINN:  You now how I got it?


           25                      MR. MCGOFF: Was it hidden from you?






            1                      MR. QUINN: Yes.  You know how I got


            2              it.


            3                      MR. MCGOFF: You went to OECD.


            4                      MR. QUINN:  I asked for it.  I had


            5              to get it under the Pennsylvania Right to


            6              Know.  Ms. Hailstone who was there did not


            7              give it me.  I finally got sick.  Now, I was


            8              supposed to go back Monday and get the rest


            9              and they slammed the door in my face, they


           10              won't let me in.


           11                      MR. MCGOFF: They what?


           12                      MR. QUINN:  They will not let me in


           13              or won't answer my phone calls or anything.


           14                      MR. MCGOFF: Were you there this


           15              week?


           16                      MS. FANUCCI: For two hours.


           17                      MR. QUINN:  I was supposed to go in


           18              on Monday.


           19                      MR. MCGOFF: Were they cooperative in


           20              providing you with information.


           21                      MS. FANUCCI: Last week.


           22                      MR. MCGOFF: Excuse me.


           23                      MR. QUINN:  Would you tell her to


           24              keep quiet, please.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF: Excuse me.






            1                      MR. QUINN:  Please have her keep


            2              quite?


            3                      MR. MCGOFF: Why?


            4                      MR. QUINN: It's like a bird


            5              chirping.


            6                      MR. MCGOFF: You don't want to answer


            7              the question.  OECD has been more than


            8              cooperative with you and now you are going


            9              to stand here and berate what they are doing


           10              there.


           11                      MR. QUINN:  They haven't been more


           12              than cooperative, I have the letters that


           13              show that I asked for these reports and


           14              these reports I have now I asked in February


           15              and I just got approval to go in.  Do you


           16              have a report?  Do you have the reports?


           17                      MR. MCGOFF: What reports?


           18                      MR. QUINN: The monitoring reports.


           19                      MR. MCGOFF: I didn't ask for them.


           20                      MR. QUINN: You didn't ask for them.


           21              As the President of Council, you should


           22              realize what's going on.  She should have


           23              gave them to you.  These are staggering.


           24                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.


           25                      MR. QUINN:  My five minutes isn't






            1              up.


            2                      MR. MCGOFF: I didn't say it was.


            3                      MR. QUINN:  You are responsible as


            4              President of Council to see what I'm saying


            5              here.  I'm saying that you should have to go


            6              over and look at these reports and do


            7              something about them.


            8                      MR. MCGOFF: I spoke to Mrs. Aebli.


            9                      MR. QUINN:  Mrs. Aebli, and what did


           10              she say, did she give you the reports?


           11                      MR. MCGOFF: I didn't ask for the


           12              reports, I spoke to Mrs. Aebli about them.


           13                      MR. QUINN: Oh, yeah, I speak to a


           14              lot of people, but go get the reports, look


           15              at the facts and figures in them.


           16                      MS. FANUCCI: Are you accusing the


           17              state of also being negligent, also?


           18                      MR. QUINN:  Mrs. Fanucci, I didn't


           19              mention anything about the state.


           20                      MS. FANUCCI: Well, they are the ones


           21              that monitor this constantly, so what you


           22              are saying is that --


           23                      MR. QUINN:  Mrs. Fanucci, it's hard


           24              --


           25                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr. Quinn.






            1                      MS. FANUCCI: You are the only one


            2              that knows what are you doing, Mr. Quinn,


            3              God bless ya.


            4                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.


            5                      MS. FANUCCI: It will be another


            6              office you run under.


            7                      MR. MCGOFF: Please, that's --


            8                      MS. FANUCCI: Liar.


            9                      MR. MCGOFF: Please.  Stop.  Reverend


           10              Simmons.  Mr. Quinn, your time is up.


           11                      MS. SIMMONS: Good evening.  Reverend


           12              Catherine Simmons, Florence Midtown Crime


           13              Watch.  I came for two reasons this evening,


           14              one is that for the last 15 years or better


           15              the 500 block of Adams Avenue between Vine


           16              Street and North Washington Avenue has been


           17              no parking.  Now, starting last week, well,


           18              really starting back in February we began to


           19              have problems over there with cars parking


           20              along of that state away or whatever you


           21              want to call it, boulevard, and now it's


           22              been -- it's out of hand.  The other day we


           23              had 32 cars parked along that site.


           24                      Now, I called down and I asked if


           25              there was an ordinance or a resolution of






            1              some type that was passed 15 years ago, I


            2              know there was because I lived in Midtown at


            3              that time and I know the problems that we


            4              were going through, but they said there no


            5              resolution, there is no ordinance to say


            6              that there is no parking.  Well, you don't


            7              not park along a street for 15 years just


            8              because you don't feel like not parking


            9              there, okay, but just to make things easier


           10              I'm asking one of you to present an


           11              ordinance that no parking, you know how


           12              dangerous it is along that corridor and when


           13              people park on that side of the street


           14              people can't see coming in and out of the


           15              parking lot, children when they are getting


           16              on the school buses in the morning, you


           17              know, they can't be seen, so something is


           18              going to happen there and then it's going to


           19              be a little too late to say "Well, we should


           20              have, but we didn't."


           21                      I want to thank Director Hayes for


           22              what he has done the last couple of days to


           23              try and keep traffic off that street, but


           24              indeed he is right, if there is no ordinance


           25              there then, you know, there is very little






            1              that he can do.


            2                      The other thing that I came here


            3              tonight for is about the Human Relations


            4              Commission.  The last two weeks I believe


            5              you have had something on the agenda about


            6              Mark McGrath being hired as a solicitor to


            7              act on their behalf from January 1, 2008


            8              through December 31, 2008.  Can I ask you,


            9              who sits on the Human Relations Commission?


           10              The last time that I heard it was four years


           11              ago and one of the members has passed away


           12              and hasn't been replaced.  We don't know


           13              when a meeting is being held, we don't know


           14              where it's being held, it's not published in


           15              the paper, so how does one get to come


           16              before the commission and present a case?


           17                      MR. MCGOFF: Mrs. Simmons, I had it a


           18              week or so ago and I don't believe I have it


           19              with me, but if I do I'll look through and


           20              see if I can provide the information.


           21                      MS. SIMMONS: Could you publish that


           22              in the newspaper so that people who are --


           23              who do want to come down and present


           24              something to them can do this?


           25                      MR. MCGOFF: Yes.






            1                      MS. SIMMONS: Thank you.


            2                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mrs. Simmons.


            3                      MS. GATELLI: Excuse me, did Mike


            4              Hanley ever come to talk about that?


            5              Remember I asked if he would come to tell us


            6              about that case?  Kay, was there a reason


            7              Mike Hanley didn't come?


            8                      MS. GARVEY: I never spoke with him.


            9              I believe Bob was going to look into that


           10              when he got a chance.


           11                      MR. MCGOFF:  I may have neglected to


           12              request that.


           13                      MS. GATELLI: All right.  Is it on


           14              the agenda, I didn't even notice?


           15                      MR. MCGOFF: Yes, it is.


           16                      MS. GATELLI: Is it for final


           17              reading?


           18                      MR. MCGOFF: Um-hum.  John Scelara.


           19                      MR. SCELARA:  Good evening, Council


           20              members, my name is John Scelara.  I reside


           21              in Midtown Florence apartment complex, I'm


           22              also the president of the tenant council.


           23              Again, I would like to reiterate on what


           24              Reverend Simmons has said.  Last week I had


           25              received, three different complaints,






            1              employees that are part of Midtown reporting


            2              three near misses.  This area has been a


            3              problem.  I'd like again thank Mr. Raymond


            4              Hayes for his actions on our complaint, now


            5              I have to ask the city again.  I believe


            6              it's about time we check to see if there is


            7              an ordinance and if there is not I think we


            8              should get one.


            9                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Sir, I'll talk with


           10              Mr. Hayes this week and then if we need to


           11              do an ordinance I will do speak with


           12              Mr. Minora and see what can be done.


           13                      MR. SBARAGLIA: Thank you.


           14                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  You are welcome.


           15                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr. Scelara.


           16              Joe Talimini.


           17                      MR. TALIMINI: Joe Talimini, City of


           18              Scranton.  First of all, Mr. Courtright, I'd


           19              like you to convey my appreciation to the


           20              police department, they have done an


           21              excellent job this week and the past several


           22              weeks as a matter of fact.  I knew last


           23              night there was nothing going on at


           24              Whistles, I mean, you know, the political


           25              season hasn't hit us yet, so Monday night,






            1              and I was very pleased to hear when the


            2              policeman on the scanner say that there was


            3              a suspicious situation on Franklin Street


            4              which poured over into Lackawanna Avenue and


            5              got behind the Radisson Hotel and I guess it


            6              was a case of police profiling in a sense,


            7              but it turned out to be a very good profile,


            8              I mean, you know, nobody walks around with a


            9              fur coat on a very warm May evening,


           10              especially on Franklin Avenue and


           11              Lackawanna, but the very fact that they


           12              managed to herd this individual or whatever


           13              it was into the soccer field, I was


           14              overjoyed because, you know, we talk about


           15              our zoo in this town, last week we had a


           16              pair of penguins around, last night we had a


           17              bear running around, and I just think it's


           18              remarkable the police department handles all


           19              of this.


           20                      I don't know if the bear was aware


           21              of the fact that the soccer season was over


           22              or was, you know, just trying to get in


           23              there and get tickets, but apparently he had


           24              a good snooze underneath the bleachers and I


           25              think the police are to be commended because






            1              it's a pretty precarious position to be


            2              placed in at that time, and they don't get


            3              enough credit.  The fire department didn't


            4              get enough credit, the University of


            5              Scranton security didn't get enough credit,


            6              but I wouldn't want to go down there and


            7              tangle with a 165-pound bear at 3:00 in the


            8              morning when you couldn't see it in an open


            9              field, you couldn't go in and after it,


           10              fortunately, the game commission came down


           11              and the situation was rectified, but I just


           12              wonder if, you know, maybe this Lackawanna


           13              Today or Tomorrow or whatever it is and good


           14              things are happening in Scranton program


           15              isn't being overplayed just a little bit


           16              because are getting some pretty strange


           17              people coming into Scranton or pretty


           18              strange creatures, but, anyway, the


           19              situation was solved and I would just like


           20              you to convey that to the police department


           21              and we appreciate the job they did and thank


           22              you.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr. Talimini.


           24              Fay Franus.


           25                      MS. FRANUS:  Fay Franus, Scranton.






            1              In 2006 Stacy Brown wrote an article in the


            2              Scranton Times where he explained the city's


            3              auditor, Robert Rossi, was having difficulty


            4              in obtaining information from the Single Tax


            5              Office.  Stacy Brown also explained that


            6              Mr. Rossi had found that the interest income


            7              in the Single Tax Office had risen from


            8              $3,000 to $135,000 from 2004 to 2005.  Kenny


            9              McDowell was going to look into this matter


           10              and get back to the Times as to where the


           11              money came from.


           12                      Now we know where the interest money


           13              came from.  Obviously, the money


           14              Mr. McDowell was hiding for the mayor,


           15              that's my opinion.


           16                      MR. MCGOFF: Excuse me, Mrs. Franus.


           17                      MS. FRANUS:  I said that's my


           18              opinion.


           19                      MR. MCGOFF: Well, it's an


           20              accusation.


           21                      MS. FRANUS:  It's my opinion.  In


           22              2006 the Scranton Times knew there was a


           23              major issue with the tax office and they


           24              either covered it up or you did not report


           25              on it, why not?  Then in 2008 when the truth






            1              is finally revealed they attack the man most


            2              responsible for exposing it, Mr. Tom


            3              Gilbride.  It sure makes one wonder.


            4                      The article stated, "The interest


            5              jumped more than $130,000 in one year, Ken


            6              McDowell said he would have to review the


            7              matter."


            8                      We haven't heard from him since on


            9              it.  Now, I would like to ask, Mrs. Gatelli,


           10              since you are finance chair, would you


           11              please, I don't know if you can or not, but


           12              maybe you would make a motion to have


           13              Mr. McDowell come in here and answer some


           14              questions or anybody else or if you could


           15              subpoena, ask Mr. Minora to subpoena anyone


           16              to help further this information and get it


           17              out.  This is very, very important to the


           18              people, you know, the Scranton School


           19              District had a meeting, a long meeting with


           20              Mr. -- the attorney and Mary Ann Vitale and


           21              they answered many question.  I think the


           22              Scranton City Council has that right just as


           23              much as the county commissioners, would you


           24              please make a motion tonight to do something


           25              about this?






            1                      MS. GATELLI:  Yes, we have discussed


            2              that in caucus this evening and we are all


            3              in agreement and it will come up during


            4              motions.


            5                      MS. FRANUS: Thank you.


            6              Mr. Courtright, last week you said you had


            7              answers on this PEL and you had answers on


            8              this investigation of Chief Davis, but, yes,


            9              in motions you said nothing, so I'm going to


           10              say it again tonight, I hope you make a


           11              motion to do something about PEL versus just


           12              talk again.  Do something for the people in


           13              regards to PEL and when I go home I hope I


           14              hear you say something in motions.  That's


           15              -- it's not just an excuse again, you are


           16              rationalizing to do something.


           17                      Another thing, remember a long time,


           18              a long time ago I asked about the trucks in


           19              Bellevue, okay, you said you would get back


           20              to it, then I looked back at the records two


           21              years earlier I asked you the same question,


           22              still nothing is done.


           23                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Fay, I have gone to


           24              the police at least, at least ten different


           25              times, they are gone down there, they have






            1              gone over --


            2                      MS. FRANUS:  Ten years they haven't


            3              stopped one truck.


            4                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  What they're


            5              telling me, if you would let me answer you,


            6              what they are telling me is they go down


            7              there when they could, they can't stay there


            8              on a constant basis, but they have gone down


            9              there, they have ticketed, many, many times


           10              I have gone to them, many times.


           11                      MS. FRANUS:  Many times what,


           12              they've what?


           13                      MR. COURTRIGHT: They've gone down,


           14              they've ticketed.


           15                      MS. FRANUS:  They've never ticketed


           16              anybody.  Okay, let me check this.


           17                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  I'm not going to


           18              argue with you, Fay.


           19                      MS. FRANUS:  Okay, then I'm going to


           20              call the police department tomorrow and see


           21              how many get ticketed, okay?


           22                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Go right ahead.


           23                      MS. FRANUS:  I stopped a policeman


           24              the other day and he didn't eve know what I


           25              was talking about.  I said, "Are you here to






            1              stop the talk?"


            2                      He said, "No, I'm not, what about


            3              the trucks?"


            4                      "Didn't you see the sign that says,


            5              "No Trucks"?


            6                      He said, "No, we'd have to have


            7              weight thing on our car."


            8                      I said, "No, you don't, the ones


            9              with five wheels you know are over ten ton."


           10                      And on Luzerne Street I asked you


           11              about putting a sign coming down Luzerne.


           12              There is no sign on Luzerne Street coming


           13              down the hill.  From Main Avenue all the way


           14              down to the river this is not one sign


           15              saying "No Trucks."  What good is if it


           16              there no sign that way when there is a sign


           17              coming the other way.  I want a sign on


           18              Luzerne Street, I have been asking you this.


           19              Still nothing done.  I rest my case.  Ask


           20              Eddie Chumbo if you don't believe me.  My


           21              house shakes every night when a truck goes


           22              by.


           23                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Fay, I can only ask


           24              them and they told me they went there.  You


           25              want me to call them --






            1                      MS. FRANUS:  It's not good enough,


            2              Billy.


            3                      MR. COURTRIGHT: What would you like


            4              me to do, Fay?


            5                      MS. FRANUS: I would like -- okay,


            6              here's what I would like you to do.  I would


            7              like you to get to back to me on all the


            8              trucks they ticketed, that's what I would


            9              like you to do, okay?


           10                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I can't do that.  I


           11              don't run the police department.  You need


           12              to go to Chief Elliott and ask him, he will


           13              give you those answers.  I don't order the


           14              police what to do and what not to do.  You


           15              ask them.


           16                      MS. FRANUS:  Well, you were supposed


           17              to put the signs on Luzerne Street, did you


           18              do it?  No.  You checked into it.


           19                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I talked to


           20              Lieutenant Mackey, I talked to Lieutenant


           21              Thomas about it --


           22                      MS. FRANUS: Well, nothing has been


           23              done.


           24                      MR. COURTRIGHT: They said there is


           25              signage there sufficient for what is needed.






            1                      MS. FRANUS:  There is no sign on


            2              Luzerne Street.


            3                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Well, ask Chief


            4              Elliott, Fay.


            5                      MS. FRANUS:  Wait, aren't you in


            6              charge of safety?


            7                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  No.


            8                      MS. FRANUS: Who is?


            9                      MR. COURTRIGHT: David Elliott and


           10              Director Hayes.


           11                      MS. FRANUS: Are you not in the


           12              Department of Safety on city council?


           13                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  That's my


           14              committee.  I don't order them.  The don't


           15              take orders from me.


           16                      MS. FRANUS:  Not orders, can't you


           17              ask them?


           18                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I did ask them.  I


           19              told you I've said many times --


           20                      MS. FRANUS:  In other words, you


           21              are -- okay, Billy, I'll handle it myself


           22              since you can't do it.


           23                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Wonderful.


           24                      MS. FRANUS:  It's amazing why we


           25              elect people like you.






            1                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mrs. Franus.


            2              Lee Morgan.


            3                      MR. MORGAN: Good evening, Council.


            4              It's been pretty lively tonight, I wonder


            5              how many people turned off, gee-whiz, I


            6              don't watch too much TV, American Idol to


            7              watch this, but what I have come here to say


            8              is, you know, on May 2, Attorney Falk did an


            9              editorial I assume in the Scranton Times so


           10              I think I would like to call that an


           11              editorial about law day, and I think that to


           12              be so honest about this gentleman, he


           13              actually believes the things he says and I


           14              find that to be very troubling because in my


           15              at my point of view I don't think law really


           16              rules anything anymore except hiding


           17              everything and I think that judges abuse


           18              their discretion, and I'm not just talking


           19              about Harhut and Corbett.


           20                      You know, when you take a look at


           21              where this country came from and you go back


           22              to 1775 and what possibly Washington and


           23              Green thought when they were fighting the


           24              British in Boston and what Clinton and Howe


           25              thought, which were British officers on the






            1              other side, and you see what the American


            2              people wanted was a government that


            3              represented the people.  And Jefferson,


            4              Wyatt, Mason, Pendleton and Lee rewrote our


            5              laws from 1777 to 1779, and then we see that


            6              we are here in this council and we can't


            7              even get subpoenas.  We can't get anybody to


            8              represent the needs of the people, anyone,


            9              okay?  We have council people making


           10              disparaging remarks to people.  You have


           11              people who want to make comments about a


           12              what a speaker said after that speaker


           13              leaves the podium.


           14                      And law touches every single bit of


           15              our life, every bit of it, and laws are used


           16              to in my opinion, you know, at what one time


           17              people were talking about how, and this goes


           18              back to the Civil Rights Movement possibly,


           19              even before that how black Americans


           20              couldn't get justice in America or people of


           21              color, but the truth of the matter is it's


           22              reached the point where most people can't


           23              get justice, and if you go into Family


           24              Court, this Attorney Falk talks about a


           25              right to a jury and a judge, but when you go






            1              to Family Court there generally aren't


            2              juries and we have see serious special


            3              interests running the Court, family courts


            4              under Judge Harhut, which is a very


            5              troubling thing where people's rights


            6              everyday are abused and including Judge


            7              Corbett.


            8                      Now, in my opinion I think that if


            9              this Judge Falk and all of the other


           10              attorneys in Lackawanna County want to do


           11              something for people in this community they


           12              need to go into Family Court and start


           13              representing unrepresented individuals and


           14              start fighting their way up the judicial


           15              system because this Court of Common Pleas in


           16              Lackawanna County Family Court is just so


           17              blatantly dishonest.  It's just special


           18              interests runs from one side to the other.


           19                      MR. MCGOFF: Excuse me --


           20                      MR. MORGAN: Before you interrupt me


           21              I'd like to say this, that's my opinion --


           22                      MR. MCGOFF: Mr. Morgan --


           23                      MR. MORGAN: And all I want to say it


           24              -- let me finish.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF: -- when you call someone






            1              dishonest that's not an opinion.


            2                      MR. MORGAN: No I have called them


            3              that to their face right in Court, so I


            4              think that -- if I say it there and I have


            5              chased them into Superior Court then I think


            6              I can say what I'm saying here because I'm


            7              not talking about anything that I haven't


            8              told the parties directly and right to their


            9              face including Judge Harhut and Corbett and


           10              I find it very troubling that we find


           11              ourself in this republic here stripped of


           12              our rights on almost all occasions and we


           13              rely on attorneys to come into Court and


           14              represent us, and to be honest with you, I


           15              have had attorneys tell me right to my face


           16              they wouldn't argue a case in Court because


           17              they were friends of the judge, so when we


           18              start talking about representation where


           19              does justice begin and where does it end?


           20                   And when we come here to this council


           21              as citizens of this city and ask you to do


           22              investigations which is in the Home Rule


           23              Charter and you refuse or you, Mr. McGoff,


           24              who talks about what Ozzie had in his hand


           25              or how Mrs. Fanucci left the meeting last






            1              week or snickers and laughs, I mean, it's


            2              just terrible and, you know, it's really not


            3              funny because people have actually given


            4              their life for these things that we really


            5              think we deserve.  Some people think it's


            6              funny, but it's really not, it's pathetic,


            7              okay?


            8                      And, you know, to be a woman and


            9              have such disregard for law is just


           10              atrocious because for a long time women


           11              thought they had no rights and here you are


           12              you are denying people their rights.


           13                      MS. FANUCCI: That's ridiculous.


           14                      MR. MORGAN: A representative of


           15              government --


           16                      MS. FANUCCI: Don't make statements


           17              you can't back up, Mr. Morgan.


           18                      MR. MORGAN: No, let me finish.


           19                      MS. FANUCCI: Again, you make more


           20              statements you can't back up.


           21                      MR. MORGAN: I think if you read this


           22              country's history you will find out that


           23              women didn't even have the right to vote at


           24              one time.


           25                      MS. FANUCCI: What are you talking






            1              about?  What does this have to do with -- -


            2                      MR. MORGAN: Here you sit -- now,


            3              wait a minute.  Here you sit on council and


            4              snicker at people who ask you questions--


            5                      MS. FANUCCI: I laugh at ridiculous


            6              statements just like the one you made which


            7              was absolutely ridiculous and I certainly


            8              would laugh it that again.


            9                      MR. MORGAN: Which one was that?


           10                      MS. FANUCCI: Probably 90 percent of


           11              what you said, but I'll just --


           12                      MR. MORGAN: Maybe you should get an


           13              education.


           14                      MS. FANUCCI:  And what did you do


           15              for a living, sir?


           16                      MR. MCGOFF: Mr. Morgan --


           17                      MS. FANUCCI: One question.


           18                      MR. MORGAN: Can I say this, in a war


           19              of wits you are unarmed.


           20                      MR. MCGOFF: Mrs. Fanucci --


           21                      MS. FANUCCI: First of all, my


           22              education has nothing to do with how I act


           23              there, and I can certainly --


           24                      MR. MORGAN:  That's politics.


           25              That's politics.






            1                      (Whereupon several people began


            2              speaking at one time and it was


            3              untranscribable.)


            4                      MS. FANUCCI: All I know is you ran


            5              for office and didn't get here, so that's


            6              all I have.


            7                      MR. MORGAN:  I didn't get paid --


            8                      MS. FANUCCI:  Education or no


            9              education.


           10                      MR. MINORA: If I can, I just can't


           11              sit through this and listen to Judge Harhut


           12              and Corbett be disparaged like that.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF: I agree.


           14                      MR. MINORA: I have been in the


           15              practice of law for 32 years, I haven't


           16              found two more honorable people on the bench


           17              anywhere in the Commonwealth and I have been


           18              in counties throughout the whole eastern


           19              part of the state and the Federal Court,


           20              Newark, New Jersey, Binghamton and a number


           21              of other jurisdictions in New Jersey and I


           22              haven't found anybody more honorable than


           23              those two judges and, I'm sorry, I just


           24              couldn't sit still and listen to that.  It's


           25              just not fair and it's just not right.






            1                      MR. MCGOFF: No, it isn't.


            2                      MS. FANUCCI: May I say something,


            3              and I want to ask you a question, this room


            4              has become nothing but personal vendettas


            5              and it is so blatantly office, we have to


            6              listen to family court because somebody is


            7              not doing well in family court.  We have to


            8              listen with problems with OECD because


            9              somebody got fired from OECD, I'm not


           10              listening to this.  This has nothing to do


           11              with the taxpayers and the business that


           12              they go through and it is constant in this


           13              room and it can't go on.  It cannot go on.


           14              Do I speak up, I'm going to keep speaking


           15              up, you know, it's just beyond ridiculous


           16              and it cannot keep going on.  You want to


           17              talk about city business, talk about city


           18              business, but certainly family court has


           19              nothing to do with what goes on in these


           20              chambers.


           21                      MR. MCGOFF: Just the Rules of


           22              Council and supported by the courts do


           23              prohibit personal attacks and you are


           24              correct we've engaged in that over the


           25              course of time and it demeans the nature of






            1              city government and I would hope that in the


            2              future that we can refrain from that type of


            3              behavior and I say that on behalf of I


            4              believe on behalf of council and also


            5              hopefully on behalf of the people that come


            6              to city council with legitimate concerns


            7              that that should be the purpose of what we


            8              do here and not the personal attacks that we


            9              have experienced this evening.  And with


           10              that, Mr. Davis.


           11                      MR. DAVIS: Salaam aleikum.  I have


           12              been very fortunate in the last month to


           13              work with Hussein Obama when he was running


           14              for presidency.  I know I'm not supposed to


           15              speak of any president things, but it's past


           16              Pennsylvania now, right so I can say it?


           17                      MR. MCGOFF: Well, it's still ongoing


           18              so --


           19                      MR. DAVIS: Oh, excuse me, we can't


           20              vote for him --


           21                      MR. MCGOFF: Not in Pennsylvania,


           22              well, the general election, I'm sorry,


           23              Mr. Davis.


           24                      MR. DAVIS: It was quite


           25              experiencing, it really was, because I got






            1              back out in the streets of Scranton as a


            2              volunteer and I started talking to people


            3              and looking at people and finding where they


            4              were going, what they wanted to do and what


            5              was their examples of what they were having


            6              right now and they kept saying it seems as


            7              though this election reminds the older


            8              people that the election reminds them of the


            9              time in 1964 when Martin Luther King was


           10              running when he was becoming a strong force


           11              in the liberal -- in freedom rights and


           12              things like that and they could feel that


           13              there is division that was occurring among


           14              people in Pennsylvania, but all over the


           15              United States really between white and black


           16              and brown and orange and it was a strange


           17              feeling because at the same time there was


           18              more openness, there was more discussion,


           19              there was more understanding that was coming


           20              forth and they didn't know which way to take


           21              it, but I tell you now that I think we are


           22              going to remember these years and remember


           23              this year as the Obama revolution.


           24                      MR. MCGOFF: Go ahead.


           25                      MR. DAVIS: I don't mean to offend






            1              anybody really by saying that.


            2                      MR. MCGOFF: I know.  It becomes


            3              difficult when we start speaking on behalf


            4              of a --


            5                      MR. DAVIS: Individual.


            6                      MR. MCGOFF: -- particular candidate


            7              that is currently in --


            8                      MR. DAVIS:  All right, I see what


            9              you are saying now, oh, okay.


           10                      MR. MCGOFF: It borders on something


           11              that we shouldn't to.


           12                      MR. DAVIS: Okay.  Let's wash that


           13              other away.  I came here three years ago and


           14              I asked you, I asked Mr. Courtright, could


           15              he please have the signs painted or have the


           16              streets painted and the walkways painted in


           17              central city so our kids and our elderly can


           18              walk safely to and from home and we went


           19              through a thing with DPW and we asked them


           20              and we asked them and they still haven't


           21              been painted.  That is tremendous.  Is that


           22              public safety?  I thought it was public


           23              safety.


           24                      When I came here I asked you, I


           25              thought it was public safety, I didn't think






            1              I was outstepping or overstepping my


            2              boundaries or asking for something that


            3              couldn't be done.  Then they painted all the


            4              lines up around Prep with brand knew paint


            5              that wouldn't wash away, then they painted


            6              lines all over west side and they still


            7              haven't done central city.  We still don't


            8              have our lines painted for pedestrians and


            9              most of our population in the central city


           10              are pedestrians, but you are going to tell


           11              me that, hey, they just didn't have the


           12              money or they didn't have the workers and


           13              that I have heard every excuse you possibly


           14              could come up with and I didn't think that


           15              our city council could protect, I still


           16              don't think they could protect the residents


           17              of central city by just having the lines


           18              painted properly, giving us, you know, what


           19              is due to everybody else.


           20                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Mr. Davis, I think


           21              more than just myself, I have asked them to


           22              do that, many council members have asked for


           23              that and in addition to asking for it in


           24              front of the mall downtown many people don't


           25              know what lane to get in especially when we






            1              have somebody from out of town, I couldn't


            2              agree with you more and I think everybody


            3              here on council agrees with you.  I can't


            4              imagine why they are not.  No, I imagine


            5              why, I don't think they have enough man


            6              power.  I have said it all along they have


            7              got to put more people in that department, I


            8              agree 100 percent with you.


            9                      MS. EVANS: I agree with you, also,


           10              and I do know that in up of city locations


           11              had the crosswalks painted, but this is


           12              probably going back two years, particularly


           13              in front of the elderly high-rises, but


           14              since that time, unfortunately, those lines


           15              wear away.  Now, I believe just maybe today


           16              or yesterday the crosswalks were done over


           17              at West Scranton High School which was


           18              sorely needed to protect the safety of all


           19              of the students there, so obviously the DPW


           20              must be out working on this, so I will put


           21              in this request for you if you can give me


           22              the specific locations.


           23                      MR. DAVIS:  The specific locations?


           24                      MS. EVANS: Prioritizing --


           25                      MR. DAVIS: Adams Avenue from Gibson






            1              all the way to Mulberry, all the way to


            2              Lackawanna if you want.  Our kids walk --


            3                      MS. GATELLI:  Mr. Davis, just to let


            4              you know the schools are a priority because


            5              of the buses and --


            6                      MR. DAVIS: Excuse me, these are our


            7              kids that go from Northeast Elementary


            8              School all the way to south side to walk


            9              home.  They might take the buses, a few of


           10              them might ride buses, but most of these


           11              kids they are walkers, they walk the


           12              distance and I'm saying to you like this, if


           13              we don't protect our kids, if we don't -- if


           14              I don't stand here and become belligerent


           15              and --


           16                      MS. GATELLI: No, I agree.  I'm not


           17              disagreeing with you, I'm just telling you


           18              that --


           19                      MR. DAVIS: Why haven't we done


           20              anything?


           21                      MS. GATELLI: The schools are a


           22              priority.


           23                      MR. DAVIS: Why haven't we got


           24              anything done?


           25                      MS. GATELLI: Because we had to do






            1              every crosswalk in the City of Scranton


            2              because some students crosses every road.


            3                      MR. DAVIS: Exactly and those are


            4              our -- that's our duty though.


            5                      MR. MCGOFF: We'll look into it,


            6              Mr. Davis.  Thank you.


            7                      MR. DAVIS: That's our


            8              responsibility.


            9                      MR. MCGOFF: You are right.


           10                      MR. DAVIS: That's all I'm asking.


           11              Is that a responsibility or no?


           12                      MR. MCGOFF: You are correct.


           13                      MS. GATELLI:  No, you are right.


           14                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Mr. McGoff, can I


           15              say just one thing, not to Mr. Davis, one of


           16              the problems I think is they cannot use the


           17              paint that lasts for a real long time


           18              because of environmental, we have gone


           19              through this, environmental problems, so


           20              they did these crosswalks right here and I


           21              don't even think it lasted more than a year.


           22              The paint that they have to use now just


           23              isn't cutting it and then I asked, I can't


           24              remember the exact answer, I asked how it's


           25              lasting longer on the highways than it would






            1              here and they are saying just the amount of


            2              traffic going over, you know, the crosswalks


            3              in the city, so that's one of the reasons,


            4              I'm not making excuses for them, but it just


            5              doesn't last as long as the paint that they


            6              used to be able to use, and I know that's


            7              not an excuse, I'm just trying to explain


            8              something to you.


            9                      MR. MCGOFF: Mr. Gonzalez.


           10                      MR. GONZALEZ: Pedro Gonzalez, South


           11              Side resident.  Good evening, Council,


           12              Junior Council and all in attendance.  I'm


           13              here today to give thanks as usual, this


           14              might be a little different than what you


           15              guys are used to, so I'm here to give thanks


           16              to all of the participants and all of the


           17              contributors for this past Cinco De Mayo


           18              celebration that went on at the River Park


           19              over here on Olive Street.  The fundraiser


           20              helped collect funds to keep the programs


           21              running for the kids, for the LCDC kids for


           22              their uniforms, their costumes and for


           23              future performances and transportation costs


           24              and things to that effect.  It was a


           25              fantastic event that was very well attended.






            1              It went very, very well.  We want to thank


            2              the mayor for giving us the park on short


            3              notice.  We want to thank Lackawanna County


            4              Book Mobile, the Scranton Fire Department,


            5              the Scranton Police Department, the Lupus


            6              Foundation that came out and Scranton


            7              University Lahey nurses.  We want to thank


            8              the Scranton University's exercise


            9              department that came out.  We want to thank


           10              the American Liberty's union of Pennsylvania


           11              that came out.  We want to thank certain


           12              sponsors like the Goya Food, Fidelity Bank,


           13              Foley law firm, Waste Management, OECD,


           14              Mohegan Sun, Lavos Latina, Rosenn, Jenkins


           15              and Greenwald.  We especially would like to


           16              thank Pastor Alfredo Medina from the


           17              Assembly of God in Dickson that came out and


           18              blessed the festival before the craziness


           19              that got starred, that is one thing we


           20              definitely believe in, you know, God comes


           21              first in everything and anything that we do


           22              and we contribute that to our success.


           23                      We would like to thank the many


           24              performance performers that were there that


           25              day, the musical group, the mariachi band,






            1              the musical reflections they are called.  We


            2              would like to thank the Urban Beat dancers


            3              from Scranton University.  We would like to


            4              thank our troop, the Latin Cultural


            5              Diversity Center South Side Urban Dancers,


            6              those girls were on fire that day, they were


            7              phenomenal.


            8                      We would like to thank Lisa Vargas


            9              and all of the vendors that were out there


           10              that day also, the vendor stations were


           11              packed.  I mean, there were so many people


           12              just eating, nobody wanted to get up,


           13              everybody was rolling off chairs, it was


           14              hilarious.


           15                      So, once, again I would like to


           16              thank everyone in the city that came out for


           17              that event.  I would like to thank everyone


           18              that had anything to do with that or


           19              contributed to the growth of the LCDC and


           20              the programs that we are running.  Thank you


           21              all so, so very much and as always I leave


           22              you with, my name is Pedro Gonzalez, and


           23              thank you for letting me express myself.


           24                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr. Gonzalez.


           25              David Dobson.






            1                      MR. DOBSON: David Dobson, resident


            2              of Scranton, Taxpayers' Association.  At the


            3              risk of sounding like a broken record I once


            4              again I would like to ask that council


            5              consider some money for Channel 61,


            6              hopefully I'll hear some address to that in


            7              the near future.  Also, some political


            8              discussions aren't unwarranted, I'm not


            9              going to -- I don't regard it as good


           10              manners to call somebody corrupt or


           11              whatever, however, if they don't show up for


           12              votes and so forth on regular basis and


           13              don't answer for instance with Janet Evans


           14              and a request to separate city and school


           15              taxes, it should be pointed out because it


           16              eventually affects all of us and they are


           17              not doing the job that they could be doing.


           18                   Also, it's spring time and the insects


           19              are starting to fly about.  I brought this


           20              up once before, Nay Aug -- all of our parks


           21              are incurring a lot of damage from gypsy


           22              moths and it probably wouldn't cost anything


           23              to find out what is needed to treat the


           24              problem, Mr. Santolli might have some


           25              answers, I understand he is our regional






            1              forester, but with the money we invested in


            2              these parks it would ashame to see them as


            3              barren and eroded and just dead because we


            4              didn't spray for a few nasty little moths.


            5                      MS. GATELLI: Mr. Dobson, just for


            6              the record, they are spraying.


            7                      MR. DOBSON: They are?


            8                      MS. GATELLI:  Yeah, we got the


            9              notice.


           10                      MR. DOBSON:  That's great.  That's


           11              great.  They are spraying in Nay Aug Park?


           12              Because I seen in the paper that there was


           13              -- a few days ago that they were spraying


           14              some 40,000 acres, but maybe the state even


           15              has a plan that we could reserve this at no


           16              cost to us.  I know it was be interesting to


           17              find that out.  Like I said, with all of the


           18              money that has been spent there it would be


           19              ashame to see it just as far as the forest


           20              part of it delipidate to a point that's no


           21              longer worth looking at, it will start to


           22              resemble an old coal field or something, so,


           23              that's all for tonight.  Thank you.  Have a


           24              good night.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr. Dobson.






            1              Bill Jackowitz.


            2                      MR. JACKOWITZ: Good evening,


            3              Mr. President, Scranton City Council


            4              members, Bill Jackowitz, South Scranton


            5              resident, member of the Taxpayers'


            6              Association.  I would like to start off this


            7              evening by congratulating Mr. Austin Burke


            8              and the Scranton Chamber of Commerce on


            9              their award presented to them by the site


           10              selection magazine.  A handful of


           11              contribution facilities pushed the Chamber


           12              and it's industrial marketing arm.  The


           13              construction of large distribution


           14              facilities for Sears, Lowe's, McLaine


           15              Company and Certain City generated a total


           16              of 235 million in projects and an estimated


           17              2,200 jobs, low to moderate income jobs I


           18              may add.


           19                      I also may add that these jobs were


           20              created in Covington Industrial Park, Valley


           21              View Business Park and the Jessup Small


           22              Business Center.  As you can see, Scranton


           23              is not mentioned.  Although, I am sure that


           24              some Scranton residents work at these sites.


           25                      March 2008, the seasonally adjusted






            1              unemployment rate for the Scranton/


            2              Wilkes-Barre metropolitan statistical area


            3              decreased 1/10 of a percentage point from


            4              5.8 percent in March 2008.  This is an


            5              increase of 1/10 of a percentage point from


            6              February 2008, but more importantly, it is


            7              an increase of 1.1 percent point from March


            8              of 2097, one year ago, one full percentage


            9              point.


           10                      Also, the Scranton/Wilkes-Barre


           11              metro area now ranks 13th out of 14 metro


           12              areas in the state for the highest


           13              unemployment rate.  The national


           14              unemployment rate is 5.1 percent, the state


           15              rate is 4.9 percent.  Again, we are well


           16              above the state and national average.  The


           17              only area in the state that has a higher


           18              unemployment rate is Johnstown, 5.9.  We are


           19              only 1/10 of a percentage point from having


           20              the highest unemployment rate in the state.


           21              I will provide copies to Scranton City


           22              Council members and Neil has them.


           23                   Furthermore, the Brooking's Institution


           24              gave the area low marks.  Education level


           25              cited as an impediment to Northeastern,






            1              Pennsylvania's economic growth.  Our region


            2              is ranked last, last among the state's


            3              largest six metro areas in gross domestic


            4              product per job, a key measure of


            5              productivity.  Only 28.3 percent of the area


            6              residents have an associate's degree, 20.4


            7              percent have bachelor's degrees and only


            8              22.5 have access to high speed Internet


            9              service the study concludes.  Technological


           10              improvements and a better educated work


           11              force are long-standing goal of economic


           12              developers.  The job opportunities reflect


           13              the work force, in other words, the educated


           14              leave, the uneducated stay.  No where in the


           15              study does it talk about parks and


           16              recreation as the number one reason for


           17              companies moving into the area.  Surprise.


           18                      Our institutions of higher education


           19              are educating people, but we are exporting


           20              them to other areas of the country.  The


           21              cultural needs to change.  We have excellent


           22              college trade schools and universities in


           23              the area.  We just have no good paying jobs


           24              or for that matter good elected leaders who


           25              can work for the people.  They only work for






            1              themselves, proof:  Federal investigations


            2              that are being conducted at this time.  It


            3              is comforting to know that one president and


            4              an elected body in the city, Tom Gilbride,


            5              school board, is going to stand up for the


            6              people of the city and more importantly


            7              himself and finally get the truth out.


            8                      Our district attorney declaring


            9              immediately that no crime was committed to


           10              having three people arrested, oh, by the


           11              way, the FBI is investigating and no crime


           12              also.  Amazing.  By the way, where is the


           13              ex-tax collector?  The Times-Tribune seems


           14              not to be able to locate him.


           15                      Definition of a veteran: A veteran


           16              whether active duty, discharged, retired or


           17              reserved is someone who at one point in his


           18              or her life wrote a blank check made payable


           19              to the United States of America for an


           20              amount up to and including his or her life.


           21              This is an honor and there are way too many


           22              people in this country today who no longer


           23              understand that fact.  Remember, Veteran's


           24              Day is coming.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you,






            1              Mr. Jackowitz.  Any other speakers?


            2                      MR. TIGUE: Good evening, fellow


            3              Scrantonians, Jody Tigue, a concerned


            4              citizen.  Again, I'm going to pick up last


            5              week where I left off, and I guess I'm short


            6              on time so please forgive me if I rush


            7              through this and it begins.  We are all


            8              aware that the local government face


            9              different choices as they consider increased


           10              revenue, creating new revenue sources and


           11              reducing service and personnel levels.


           12              Public officials depend on the budget


           13              officer to complete critical tax and


           14              preparing revenue estimates or preparing a


           15              proposed budget based on those estimates.


           16              To make an accurate estimate of the city


           17              revenue for the fiscal year the budget


           18              officer should have a working knowledge,


           19              which I'm sure you do, ma'am, of the


           20              dynamics of local revenue sources and


           21              economic factors that can be based on


           22              overtime, therefore, Mrs. Gatelli, your


           23              mission is critical.


           24                      The local government, pardon me, the


           25              local economy plays a key role in creating a






            1              budget.  All of the revenue is available for


            2              funding the city operations depend on a


            3              large degree of the condition of the local


            4              economy.  What drives our city economy is


            5              the question that should be asked as most


            6              can see dealerships, schools, banks, liquor


            7              stores, hotels, critical areas such as


            8              grocery stores, what are our economic and


            9              political strengths and weaknesses and I


           10              think that's important so we can then


           11              exploit it or prevent it from being


           12              exploited.


           13                      Decisions about employment salaries


           14              should also be made in the line with


           15              community standards.  Relevant economic data


           16              may not always be available, yet some useful


           17              information can be gleaned from the


           18              community.  Local merchants, bankers and


           19              other citizens can supply a valuable insight


           20              into the municipal planning for an overall


           21              perspective and from the perspective of


           22              their own businesses.  The information can


           23              then serve as available guide to help budget


           24              officers you, Mrs. Gatelli, for estimated


           25              revenue.






            1                      In the evaluating the extent of


            2              which the local economy will effect the


            3              city's revenues during the next fiscal year,


            4              the board members should also explore the


            5              following questions:  During the next fiscal


            6              year were the local businesses improved or


            7              weakened?  And my answer:  Estimate


            8              temporary loss of permanent change.


            9                      How will the economic conditions in


           10              nearby cities affect the local economy?


           11                      And I answer:  We are losing revenue


           12              to outlying cities due in part to our


           13              infrastructure while our main road should


           14              allow visitors to travel through the city as


           15              opposed to a providing a throughway from one


           16              side of 81 to the other.  What is the


           17              outlook for employment in industry growth?


           18              Well, if the personal income level of local


           19              citizens increase or remain in the same


           20              during the next fiscal year?  How will these


           21              factors affect city revenues.  Well, with


           22              the current property tax rates what stimulus


           23              program is being provided to offset the


           24              costs of living for those who have to


           25              compete with low wages because, as you see,






            1              taxes raising, essential, but wages aren't


            2              being raised for these jobs for it to


            3              continue with decline in the market.


            4                      Would the population of the city


            5              increase or decrease or remain the same?


            6              What affects would change in the age


            7              brackets of the socioeconomic composition?


            8              As you see, a lot of our younger individuals


            9              are leaving the area, it's almost as if it's


           10              a -- and no disrespect, almost a gerontology


           11              award here in the city.  We are starting to


           12              see a lot of our youth, we are depleting a


           13              lot of our youths within the city.


           14                      What changes are expected in


           15              residential and merchant development?  What


           16              impact of the construction industry have on


           17              the budget?  Are changes necessary or


           18              changes just as or if not more detrimental


           19              as no change at all if it's not the proper


           20              change.


           21                      And in closing, during recent years


           22              the importance of active revenue estimates


           23              have increased along as pressure on city


           24              official to increase revenue and most city's


           25              automatic yearly increases resulting from






            1              the increased property appraisals have


            2              disappeared.  One of the first steps in


            3              preparing a budget is making a reasonable


            4              estimate as to how much money will be


            5              available for the municipality to spend for


            6              the next fiscal year.  At a one point of the


            7              budget cycle, the budget officer and the


            8              board members should prepare a forecast of


            9              the basic financial factors, but in such a


           10              way that we as citizens can understand or


           11              even the 1/1- low area, no disrespect, so


           12              the basic individual without an education


           13              because we are equally as important to


           14              understand, otherwise, it's no null and


           15              void.


           16                      These forecasts also include a


           17              city's ending balance with the current year,


           18              no expenditures that must be built into the


           19              budget during the next year such as payments


           20              that will also be due on the outstanding


           21              debts which we are receiving from the KOZ.


           22              I'm not necessarily for welfare, but I


           23              understand the certain tenants of it, but


           24              for a city in order for us to strength it's


           25              hard for us not to support welfare yet our






            1              city is on welfare themselves, such as


            2              payments were due, outstanding debts and the


            3              seize estimated revenue and revenue sources


            4              for the next year.  Each of these procedures


            5              are required to make estimates.  I thank you


            6              for much for your time and I hope that


            7              Scranton can move in a better direction with


            8              your help.


            9                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.  Anyone else?


           10                      MR. ANCHERANI: Good evening.  Nelson


           11              Ancherani, First Amendment Rights.  Last


           12              week I was unable to attend the council


           13              meeting.  I caught a rerun on Thursday


           14              evening and was amazed at particular council


           15              members' remarks about laughing, snickering,


           16              tired of the nonsense, you know what, that


           17              council person could laugh, snicker, all she


           18              wants it just proves her point from a number


           19              of months ago.  This is the Jerry Springer


           20              show, but the participants are not the


           21              audience.


           22                      These council speakers are taxpayers


           23              and have every right to come here week after


           24              week and air their views or nonsense as what


           25              that council member says, give them answers.






            1              If you want to shut us up, give us answers.


            2              Until the last couple of years elected


            3              officials pretty much were able to act


            4              without the electorate or taxpayers knowing


            5              what they were doing.  Thanks to the


            6              Internet and the interest of many people


            7              across the country and not to our slimes in


            8              this city, elected officials have to be


            9              accountable for their actions.  Answer Ozzie


           10              Quinn, answer Marie Schumacher and the other


           11              speakers, facts are put forward, that's not


           12              nonsense.  They deserve answers, we all


           13              deserve answers, so I thank the speakers,


           14              keep up the good work, but what we all have


           15              to remember when we stop and argue on the


           16              miniature Jerry Springer show, we can't


           17              forget the issues.  There are many.  They


           18              are happy people when we argue with the


           19              council.  The issues end up being ignored.


           20              We have to get through the smoke and mirrors


           21              and get back to the issues.


           22                      One issue is, and I don't care about


           23              the school district or the school board or


           24              the school district when I come here, I'm


           25              concerned about city business when I come






            1              here.  Other people will take care of that.


            2              As I said, I pick my battles.  The 12.2 plus


            3              million that was hidden in my opinion in the


            4              Single Tax Office bank account that only a


            5              couple of people knew about I'm concerned


            6              about that money because in my opinion it


            7              was being hid for a reason, hidden for a


            8              reason.  As a city employee and union


            9              official member I along with the other city


           10              employee uniform members have been blamed


           11              for the financial condition of the city.  We


           12              are now in our 17th year of distress, if


           13              that money wasn't hidden, again, it's my


           14              opinion we have gotten rid of the distressed


           15              label.


           16                      Another issue, Armed Forces Day will


           17              be here next week and still our soldiers who


           18              return from Iraq haven't been paid but yet I


           19              see we are going to loan $36,000 to another


           20              restaurant, but what I have to say is anyway


           21              to everybody back to the issues.  We have to


           22              remember them, we can't forget our issues.


           23              Thank you.


           24                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you Mr. Ancherani.


           25                      MR. SLEDENZSKI: Hey, I wasn't going






            1              to talk today, Bob.  I wasn't going to talk


            2              Bill, but I forced myself into it.


            3                      MR. MCGOFF: You were hiding on me.


            4                      MR. SLEDENZSKI: I wasn't hiding on


            5              you, I was hiding on Billy.


            6                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  You were hiding on


            7              me?  Don't hide on me.


            8                      MR. SLEDENZSKI: Judy, what happened


            9              yesterday, Jude?  We got bonkered bad


           10              yesterday.


           11                      MS. GATELLI; We both lost, the boys


           12              and the girls.


           13                      MR. SLEDENZSKI: I know.  The girls


           14              and the boys lost.  Don't forget, Billy, the


           15              best is up to you, there is only you, Buddy,


           16              remember that.


           17                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Thanks, Chris.


           18                      MR. MCGOFF: Anyone else?  Mrs.


           19              Evans?


           20                      MS. EVANS: Before tonight's


           21              regularly scheduled meeting, council met in


           22              a caucus to discuss the situation at the


           23              Single Tax Office.  We were informed by


           24              President McGoff that Attorney McGovern, the


           25              solicitor of the Single Tax Office, will be






            1              meeting on Monday with reporters of the


            2              Scranton Times in order to provide


            3              information and answer some of the questions


            4              that the newspaper has posed specifically


            5              through Right to Know requests.  We had been


            6              invited to this, well, if one might call it


            7              a private meeting on Monday, but as a


            8              council we elected not to attend that


            9              meeting, rather we have discussed the matter


           10              of subpoenas regarding the Single Tax Office


           11              and so this evening as the former


           12              chairperson of the finance committee for


           13              four years I'm asking Mrs. Gatelli who is


           14              the current finance chair of Scranton City


           15              Council to initiate an investigation in


           16              preparation to issue subpoenas to the


           17              representatives of the Tax Office for the


           18              following reasons:


           19                      Council has numerous questions


           20              concerning the discovery of the 12.2 million


           21              dollars deposited into a Fidelity Bank


           22              account.  We also have questions regarding a


           23              forensic audit, the dollar amount of that


           24              audit.  If, in fact, RFP's have been


           25              advertised.  Who will make the selection of






            1              that forensic audit, why has it not yet


            2              begun, when will it begin, etcetera.


            3                      In addition, the selection process


            4              and contracts for both the tax office


            5              solicitor and it's special attorney.  The


            6              tax office procedures.  The duties and


            7              responsibilities of all of the employees of


            8              the tax office and, of course, the


            9              underlying I would say impetus for this


           10              measure has been the refusal of the tax


           11              collector and her solicitor to meet


           12              publically with Scranton City Council and so


           13              Mrs. Gatelli I believe will be conducting


           14              that investigation on behalf of all of us


           15              and I believe Mrs. Gatelli is going to work


           16              in concert within Attorney Minora --


           17                      MS. GATELLI: Attorney Minora.


           18                      MS. EVANS: -- to, as I said,


           19              initiate that investigation which will then


           20              provide for the issuance of subpoenas to the


           21              Single Tax Office to provide that


           22              information to Scranton City Council


           23              publically.


           24                      MS. GATELLI:  Attorney Minora, do we


           25              have to do anything else?  You know, should






            1              we make an official motion?


            2                      MR. MINORA: I'd like to be able to


            3              prepare one formally rather than kind of off


            4              the cuff because there is a number of things


            5              that Mrs. Evans suggested and I'd just like


            6              to have it done formally and correctly


            7              before we issue subpoenas out of that.


            8                      MS. GATELLI: Would you like to make


            9              a motion?


           10                      MS. EVANS: I think he was suggesting


           11              that he --


           12                      MR. MCGOFF: He is going to prepare.


           13                      MS. EVANS: --  he wanted to prepare


           14              the motion, wasn't that correct?


           15                      MR. MINORA:  Yes.  I'll have


           16              something for you to look at before the next


           17              meeting.


           18                      MS. EVANS: Well, I appreciate that


           19              and I would like to present that motion next


           20              week because I do want to get the ball


           21              rolling.


           22                      MR. MINORA:  I'll have something for


           23              you to look at before the night is out and


           24              so then we can start discussing it for final


           25              preparation for next week.






            1                      MS. EVANS: Oh, I see, but, again --


            2                      MR. MINORA:  I'll give you a rough


            3              tonight.


            4                      MS. EVANS: A rough draft tonight,


            5              but we will present that as a council next


            6              week because, as I said, we need to get the


            7              ball rolling as soon as possible.  I believe


            8              the public meeting conducted between the


            9              Single Tax Office and the Scranton School


           10              District occurred possibly over two months


           11              ago.  We have exercised great patience and I


           12              think the time for patience has passed and


           13              the taxpayers want answers and it is the


           14              duty and the responsibility of city council


           15              to provide those answers for you in whatever


           16              way in which we have to pursue those answers


           17              for you.


           18                      Now, we also received a response


           19              from the University of Scranton regarding


           20              the South Side Complex which I would like to


           21              read. "On April 11 City Council sent a


           22              letter to the mayor with a copy to a


           23              Reverend Scott Pilarz, University president


           24              regarding the South Side Sports Complex.


           25              The four questions presented in the letter






            1              only questions three and four pertain to


            2              actions by the you.


            3                      The University has made minor


            4              repairs and improvements to the South Side


            5              Complex but has not made substantial changes


            6              or improvements.  The fields are maintained


            7              and remain open and available to the public


            8              including scheduled use by local groups and


            9              organizations.


           10                      The details of the agreement of sale


           11              are public and reflect the amount of


           12              $100,000 that the University committed to


           13              the cost of a replacements softball field.


           14              Plans for the site itself are to use it for


           15              athletic fields and the playground.  The


           16              transfer of this property is involved in


           17              ongoing litigation.  Further development at


           18              the site must await the outcome of that


           19              case."


           20                      I do appreciate the response


           21              provided by Rob Farrell of the University of


           22              Scranton.  He is the director of community


           23              relations, however, I still await a response


           24              to questions one and two from Mayor Doherty.


           25                   We also received a response from Doug






            1              Hein, city treasurer, to requests that had


            2              been made by council as a body, and Mr. Hein


            3              states:  "In reply to your letter dated May


            4              1, enclosed please find monthly trial


            5              balances for January, February and


            6              March 2008 which the city received from the


            7              Single Tax Office."


            8                      So, that is information I'm sure


            9              each individual member of council will want


           10              to examine quite closely.


           11                      Regarding Burkheimer's analysis of


           12              the city's delinquent real estate tax data,


           13              this project is ongoing and should be


           14              completed by the end of June and, therefore,


           15              he is unable at this time to provide city


           16              council with any analysis, but, Kay, I would


           17              ask that, again, in June we contact Mr. Hein


           18              for the Burkheimer analysis.  It was my


           19              understanding based on the PEL summaries


           20              specifically from a statement by Mr. Renda


           21              that he anticipated the completion of that


           22              analysis by early March, so I am very


           23              anxious to be able to examine that.


           24                      Also, Kay, I would like a letter


           25              sent to the appropriate department head






            1              regarding the total cost incurred for the


            2              demolition of the Robert's building at


            3              245-247 Wyoming Avenue and the structure at


            4              the rear of the Pub Charles by RLE


            5              Enterprises.


            6                      Also, I would like to know from


            7              which account and budget line item these


            8              funds for payments RLE Enterprises were


            9              taken from Mr. Joyce, Dalton Entrepreneur


           10              and the property owner and if council agrees


           11              the request can be sent on behalf of council


           12              as a body.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF: Any objection?


           14                      MS. FANUCCI:  Nope.


           15                      MS. EVANS: Thank you.  Kay, again,


           16              if council agrees, a request for an update


           17              on the damaged wall at the 400 block of


           18              Prescott Avenue, damage was caused by S & L


           19              Sanitation and a Mr. Mackie I believe sent a


           20              letter to each one of us, it was a copy I


           21              believe of a letter he had sent directly to


           22              DPW so if Mr. Brazil could update us on that


           23              situation if it's agreeable to everyone.


           24              Thank you.


           25                      I also have the make, model and






            1              license plate numbers of cars parked on the


            2              sidewalks of the 900 block of Greenridge


            3              Street, which I'm not going to announce, but


            4              I will forward that information to that


            5              lucky man in blue over there.


            6                      And just a few more citizens


            7              requests for the week, 225-227 Prospect


            8              Avenue, please send an inspector to the


            9              property, neighbors complain the grass is


           10              highly overgrown.  North Washington Avenue


           11              in the area of the Washington West to


           12              Lackawanna College, citizens complain of a


           13              huge depression in the road and then request


           14              that the road be leveled and then, of


           15              course, those items I mentioned a few


           16              seconds ago will go off and a memo to Chief


           17              Elliott and if we might also include


           18              Mr. Davis' request for the painting of


           19              crosswalks in the downtown area specifically


           20              with particular attention to the areas by


           21              the Steamtown Mall and those bordering the


           22              elderly high rises.  I realize that, again,


           23              the schools are the first priority, but if


           24              Mr. Brazil could please take a look at those


           25              issues it would be greatly appreciated.






            1                      And I would like to finally


            2              recognize and thank all teachers from


            3              preschool through graduate and professional


            4              level schools on this National Teachers Day.


            5              They nuture, they motivate, they guide and


            6              shape America's most precious natural


            7              resource and that is our children and I'd


            8              also like to recognize our children's very


            9              first teachers, their mothers, so to all of


           10              the mothers I wish you a joyful Mother's


           11              Day.  Mrs. Gatelli, Mrs. Fanucci, I hope you


           12              enjoy a wonderful Mother's Day and to my


           13              very special mother thank you for all you


           14              have done for me every day of my life and


           15              everything you have done for my family.  I


           16              love you, mom.  And that's it.


           17                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mrs. Evans.


           18              Mrs. Gatelli.


           19                      MS. GATELLI: Well, Mr. Dobson was


           20              here about the spraying for the gypsy moths,


           21              the letter says that they will be spraying


           22              in the East Mountain section of Scranton.


           23              The Forestry Office can be reached at


           24              963-4561.  Maybe we can have Kay find out


           25              when they are going to spray so we can ask






            1              Stacy to put it in the newspaper.  Could you


            2              do that, Kay?


            3                      MS. GARVEY: Um-hum.


            4                      MS. GATELLI: As you know, they are


            5              going to be planting trees in South Scranton


            6              and recently I got a phone call that there


            7              was a tree project in another section of the


            8              city and the people agreed to have a tree on


            9              their tree lawn, which is the property from


           10              the sidewalk to the street which is actually


           11              city property, we do not plant trees on


           12              private property, we plant trees on city


           13              property, and it came to my attention that


           14              someone had the trees cut down, they were


           15              only four years old, they were ready to


           16              bloom and they were cut completely by the


           17              owners who had originally agreed that they


           18              wanted the trees.


           19                      I just want to make the public aware


           20              that any tree in the public right-of-way is


           21              not to be cut down whether you agree to it


           22              or not.  I mean, years ago there were trees


           23              on the tree lawn which are large now and you


           24              are not allowed by a city ordinance to cut


           25              down any trees from the sidewalk out to the






            1              street, that is city property and there is a


            2              $250 fine.  I spoke to Mr. Santolli about


            3              it, he did indeed check at these particular


            4              homes and we have decided that we are not


            5              going to fine those owners because we don't


            6              think that it's been adequately advertised


            7              publically that there is such an ordinance


            8              in place, so he didn't think it would be


            9              fair to fine them because maybe people don't


           10              know that.


           11                      So, for the record, there is an


           12              ordinance that you are not allowed to cut


           13              trees down from the tree lawn, which is the


           14              part from your sidewalk to the street, that


           15              is city property, so please, do not cut any


           16              trees down.


           17                      I'd also like to make sure that if


           18              we don't have an ordinance for that 500 of


           19              Adams Avenue, if Kay can find that out


           20              a rather quickly and then we can have the


           21              law department draft that.  I was at


           22              Northeastern Intermediate School for several


           23              years and drove that way every morning and


           24              never have I seen a car parked there so I


           25              don't understand why they are parking there






            1              now because they never did before, so if we


            2              can have that motion ready for next week if


            3              there is not one on the books.


            4                      I have gotten many calls about the


            5              two fire damaged properties in the 900 block


            6              of Cedar Avenue.  They will be coming down


            7              within the next two weeks.  If you go by


            8              there you can see that the litter on those


            9              two properties has encroached on the street.


           10              It's very unsightly and I'm hoping that they


           11              will be coming down as soon as possible.


           12                   I'd like to send a letter to


           13              Mr. Seitzinger concerning a property at 3244


           14              Pittston Avenue.  I was out there over a


           15              year ago, met with the neighbors, it's been


           16              abandoned for several years, it's just


           17              totally unsightly and dangerous and if you


           18              could please put that on some type of an


           19              emergency demolition list it's really


           20              deplorable.


           21                      Also, I sent a letter, I haven't got


           22              an answer yet, but I did send a letter to


           23              Chief Elliott because I found out at a


           24              recent neighborhood meeting that South Side


           25              has not had beat officers since October.






            1              So, I sent a letter about all of the


            2              neighborhoods because I'm assuming if we


            3              don't have one then probably the other


            4              neighborhoods don't have one either.  The


            5              Hill and South Side and West Side all have a


            6              community justice program and we are


            7              suffering greatly without our beat officer,


            8              so I have asked Chief Elliott to address


            9              this.  I still have not received an answer,


           10              but I'm sure he will in a rather quick


           11              manner.  I know that they have hired several


           12              policeman and they are training, but this is


           13              imperative that we have our neighborhood


           14              beat patrols especially with the spring time


           15              coming.


           16                      Well, as long as Mrs. Evans, the


           17              teacher, announced Teacher's Day, I might as


           18              well announce that it's Nurse's week, too.


           19              And without the nurses in the school the


           20              kids wouldn't have anyone to go to when they


           21              are sick, so I would like to wish all of the


           22              nurses even in the hospitals who work very


           23              hard and our overworked, underpaid and


           24              totally stressed out a happy Nurse's Week


           25              and I would like to also wish my colleagues






            1              Happy Mother's Day and my mother-in-law and


            2              my mother's is no longer with us, but I


            3              would wish her a Happy Mother's Day, too.


            4              Thank you.


            5                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mrs. Gatelli.


            6              Mrs. Fanucci.


            7                      MS. FANUCCI: Yes.  In light of


            8              tonight's conversation with Mr. Quinn I


            9              would like to make a motion that we compose


           10              a letter to Linda Aebli with a list of


           11              accusations that Mr. Quinn came in finding


           12              out if, in fact, HUD did change the website


           13              in our job creation and where we fell short,


           14              obviously, he is saying that HUD made a


           15              mistake in counting the jobs and how that


           16              happened.


           17                      I also want to tell the public that


           18              job creation doesn't have to happen for


           19              three years, so I'm not sure if that's how


           20              it fell, but I know that HUD monitors this


           21              very, very closely, so I also want to send a


           22              letter to HUD to find out exactly how many


           23              jobs have been created, if the jobs that


           24              were stated were created were not and the


           25              official count for the last three years and






            1              that we compare with the loans that we were


            2              giving out.  That is all I have in that


            3              department.


            4                      We have two loans that are on, I'm


            5              just going to go over them tonight because


            6              they are going to be introduced, both of


            7              them have complied and have job creation of


            8              two jobs a piece I believe, but I would go


            9              into that in further detail next week after


           10              it's done.


           11                      Also, I wanted to see if we can have


           12              Mrs. Aebli give us a list of what is the


           13              exact compliance for the application.  I


           14              have done this before, we came with the


           15              allocations in so that people can know


           16              exactly what happens and the criteria that


           17              he they have go through and go over the


           18              application for loans, and I want to say to


           19              Mr. Ancherani, Mr. Ancherani, OECD sat down


           20              with Mr. Quinn and Mrs. Schumacher two hours


           21              a piece in the last two weeks answering all


           22              of their questions, so their questions have


           23              been answered just so you know.  Nobody is


           24              afraid of answering the questions, it's the


           25              motives of the questions I think that tends






            1              to get a little sticky in here.  It's not


            2              the answers that they don't want, it's just


            3              constantly being able to talk.


            4                      I also want to speak on two issues


            5              that we spoke about tonight, one being our


            6              subpoenas and -- no motion, nobody seconded


            7              it?


            8                      MR. MINORA: You made a motion for


            9              the letter, I don't know if you want to have


           10              a motion or --


           11                      MS. GATELLI: Linda Aebli?


           12                      MS. FANUCCI: Yeah.


           13                      MS. GATELLI: I'll second that


           14              motion.  I'm sorry.


           15                      MS. FANUCCI: It could have been


           16              either or.


           17                      MR. MINORA: There was just a motion


           18              out there and I wasn't sure if you wanted it


           19              as a motion or just a requesting a letter.


           20              Now you need to vote on it.


           21                      MS. EVANS: That's a letter?


           22                      MS. FANUCCI: It's a letter.


           23                      MS. EVANS: All right.  I thought


           24              maybe you wanted her to address that when


           25              she came to council.






            1                      MS. FANUCCI: Well, I'm going to have


            2              her do that, too, but I figured we'll have


            3              an official letter sent so she knows exactly


            4              what we are looking for.


            5                      MS. EVANS: Oh, good.


            6                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?  All in


            7              favor?


            8                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


            9                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           10                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           11                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           12                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           13              ayes have it and so moved.


           14                      MS. FANUCCI: I wanted to speak on


           15              what we are talking about on our subpoenas


           16              which seems to be something that I think we


           17              are all in compliance with.  This has to be


           18              done.  If a violation has been committed in


           19              an office we need to know procedural reasons


           20              on how this happens, who is in charge, who


           21              is allowed to have access to certain


           22              documents, who does hiring and who does


           23              firing without any accountability and none


           24              of us, you know, 50 percent of the money


           25              comes from the city, so I think that this is






            1              something that we have to monitor very


            2              closely, obviously.


            3                      Also, yeah, I want to talk a little


            4              bit about my education which is -- I gotta


            5              say that was probably the best hit of the


            6              night from probably the least worthy.


            7                      MR. MCGOFF: Please.


            8                      MS. FANUCCI: I don't believe that


            9              that is how we got here and it's definitely


           10              not how I got here.  I always said I wasn't


           11              the most educated on council and I never ran


           12              on the fact of my wonderful education.  I


           13              ran on the fact that I support and help the


           14              people who call me every single day and I do


           15              that constantly and will continue to do


           16              that.  I certainly am not going to let what


           17              goes on in here stop the way that I do my


           18              job.  My job is very important and for phone


           19              calls and the e-mails that I get constantly


           20              and the results shows me that I am on the


           21              right track, so I certainly am not going to


           22              let political maneuvering again try to take


           23              it's toll in these chambers and, you know,


           24              it's started since day one.  I still hold


           25              the record of the most asked to resign and






            1              I'm pretty proud of that, so keep that in


            2              mind.  I always say that, you know, if


            3              people want to get rid of you, you must be


            4              doing something right, so I am very proud of


            5              what I do here and I am very happy for the


            6              way that I do it and to have people come up


            7              and try to claim that I'm doing something to


            8              cover something or inadequate for the job is


            9              just amazing to me because there is no facts


           10              behind it.  It is just purely spewing for


           11              hate and for conspiracy theory that just


           12              keeps going and going and hopefully some day


           13              I hope that the end of the conspiracy


           14              finally comes together for the people that


           15              have been putting it together for so long


           16              because it's a lot of waste of time and


           17              energy on certain people's parts.


           18                      Do I believe that I should probably


           19              not talk back or defend myself?  I probably


           20              shouldn't give the energy myself, but I have


           21              worked very hard to get here.  I have made


           22              sure that my job is done to the best of my


           23              ability and to have people come up and


           24              constantly ridicule it just so they can get


           25              what they need out of the end of the day is






            1              something that doesn't float well with me


            2              and never will.  So for the rest of the


            3              people out there who I am actively


            4              supporting and will constantly to my job for


            5              thank you for being the people that I feel I


            6              can accurately represent in the city and


            7              when you look around you know the changes


            8              and what's good and what's happening and you


            9              also know when you sit and watch what


           10              motives are and connecting the dots is


           11              always something that I believe should


           12              always be done under any circumstances.


           13                      And I don't have a day for myself


           14              today, I wish I could come up with some day,


           15              I'm not a teacher or a nurse, but


           16              unfortunately, I don't have a day except for


           17              mom, Mother's Day I want to wish my mother


           18              obviously a Happy Mother's Day and, mom, as


           19              you know in this forum you take a lot of


           20              deep breaths and I want to wish you a


           21              wonderful Mother's Day and, you know, just


           22              to all my colleagues, you know, it's a great


           23              day so spend your day with a lot of good in


           24              your heart whether your mom is with you or


           25              not, remember what it's all about because






            1              that's where it all starts, and that's all I


            2              have.


            3                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mrs. Fanucci.


            4              Mr. Courtright.


            5                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Yes.  Kay, if you


            6              could send this to Mr. Brazil for me,


            7              several years ago we bought a pothole


            8              machine and I've never been able to find out


            9              what has happened to it.  I know it was at


           10              DPW for quite awhile, but we spent quite a


           11              bit of money on that machine and I think we


           12              utilized it one summer if I'm not mistaken.


           13              If it's still down there, and I don't know


           14              if it's in that bad of shape that we can't


           15              sell it, but obviously we are not going to


           16              use it, are we going to sell it, junk it, I


           17              would just like to know what's going on with


           18              that machine.


           19                      Coincidentally, Mrs. Gatelli just


           20              spoke about the beat cops, I was going to


           21              speak on that myself.  I think what has


           22              happened, not I think what has happened, I


           23              know what has happened, is that there wasn't


           24              a civil service test given fast enough and


           25              so there was no where to draw from to get






            1              police officers, we had a lot of police


            2              officers leaving, some police officers, I


            3              didn't want to say a lot, possibly some more


            4              maybe in the future, so we had no one to


            5              draw from.  They hired, those people that


            6              they hired have to go through the Act 120


            7              which takes approximately six months then


            8              they've got to be certified by the state and


            9              then they've got to do ride alongs, we might


           10              still have two guys out there in North


           11              Scranton, Kenny James and his name escapes


           12              me, I'm sorry, another individual, I don't


           13              know if they are still out there in North


           14              Scranton, but the rest of the city hasn't


           15              had any for the longest time, and I don't


           16              anticipate us getting any that soon.  The


           17              question, and I'll call myself to Linda


           18              Aebli is all of the money that comes to the


           19              city from OECD for these beat cops, I hope


           20              that we are not going to lose, I don't think


           21              we are, but I hope we are not going to lose


           22              that money because those beat cops are being


           23              paid through OECD and --


           24                      MS. GATELLI: You have three years to


           25              use the money.






            1                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Oh, great.  Because


            2              free money is tough to come by, but I'm a


            3              big believer in beat cops, the sooner the


            4              better, but I just don't think we are going


            5              to see them any time soon.  I hope I'm


            6              wrong.


            7                      MS. GATELLI:  We are having a big


            8              problem with nuisance bars again, we have


            9              three of them.  The money is already in the


           10              system with the LCB, I mean, believe it or


           11              not we got rid of one we got three more, so


           12              we need them really badly.


           13                      MR. COURTRIGHT: They really make a


           14              different.  Absolutely.  They make a


           15              difference.  I'm sure everywhere I know


           16              where I live we sorely miss them and we had


           17              two great girls, Jill and Melissa, and


           18              unfortunately they are not there now so


           19              somebody dropped the ball.


           20                      One other thing, Kay, I asked awhile


           21              back, last year actually, in all of the Main


           22              Avenue in Scranton I dont' think there is


           23              too many instances where you see trees going


           24              out across the street but it's happened for


           25              several years now where Carl Servino Funeral






            1              Home is there is a street light there and


            2              the tree has grown out so far off of Main


            3              Avenue that it blocks out the streetlight.


            4              There has been more than one accident there.


            5              Somebody was seriously hurt one time there,


            6              and I'm asking if the city can go out there


            7              and just trim around the streetlights so at


            8              least that's lit because people are going


            9              back and forth from the funeral home and you


           10              can't see them and traditionally a lot of


           11              people wear black when they are going tot he


           12              funeral home and without that light there,


           13              you know, it's bad so if they could do that


           14              I would really appreciate it.


           15                      Kay has told us that Mrs. Aebli or


           16              Ms. Aebli said that she is willing to come


           17              and speak to people and I don't believe that


           18              council meeting is the place for her to do


           19              it because I think it's going to take quite


           20              awhile and there's going to be a lot of


           21              questions so my suggestion would be this to


           22              her and see if see is interested in doing


           23              this, to use these chambers, pick a night


           24              that's convenient for her and these chambers


           25              are open and use these chambers and maybe






            1              her and her staff can sit here and they can


            2              set a time frame and maybe field questions


            3              from the individuals that have been asking


            4              each and every week and I'm sure there would


            5              be other people that would want to come and


            6              ask her those questions.  I think that might


            7              be the best way to see if we can't get some


            8              answers.  If she is open to that I think


            9              that might be a good suggestion, but she did


           10              say she is willing to come and speak and so


           11              far for me I haven't asked anything to her


           12              that she hasn't given me answers for, I've


           13              got to give her credit where credit is due.


           14                             Mrs. Gatelli already asked


           15              about the 500 block of Lackawanna Avenue --


           16              or Adams Avenue, I'm sorry.


           17                      PEL, I did -- sometimes it takes


           18              time if I send a letter to somebody I got to


           19              wait for a response.  I did send a letter to


           20              PEL.  We got a response from PEL, we also


           21              sent something to Stu Renda and Stu had


           22              called Kay recently, and I do it for anybody


           23              that wants the information from PEL they


           24              sent me the figures what they were paid,


           25              I'll be happy to give it to you.  I'm not






            1              trying to keep it a secret.  I question


            2              their worth, you know, but I don't know my


            3              questioning their worth counts for anything,


            4              but Stu Renda said to Kay, and I don't want


            5              to quote him because I can't, but more or


            6              less my question was did he feel that they


            7              were worth having and if they were doing us


            8              any good.  I believe what he had said to Kay


            9              is he didn't want to comment on something


           10              like that, it's just his opinion, but he


           11              said he would like to speak to me personally


           12              so I would call now and I'll speak to him


           13              personally.


           14                      I also asked, and Mr. Minora is


           15              going to look into it for me, my belief is


           16              even if the five members of council wanted


           17              to fire PEL we don't have that power.  It's


           18              a state thing, so our hands are kind of


           19              tied, but I will ask Mr. Minora to confirm


           20              that we don't have the many power to fire


           21              PEL.  It would be the state and I would just


           22              ask him to confirm that.


           23                      I'm assuming we all got an e-mail


           24              from Karen Bazzari about Channel 61, no?  I


           25              got one asking, you know, she couldn't be






            1              here today she is out of town I believe she


            2              is in Baltimore if I'm not mistaken about


            3              the money that we asked for Channel 61 and


            4              if we heard anything and we haven't heard


            5              anything yet have we, Kay?


            6                      MS. GARVEY: No.


            7                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  I asked that if


            8              council would agree to send another letter


            9              and ask for answers as soon as possible


           10              whether that money is going to be


           11              forthcoming to Channel 61 or not.


           12                      Mrs. Evans brought up a lot of


           13              issues about the tax office and Mrs. Fanucci


           14              brought up some, one question that I will


           15              ask them when they come here is this when


           16              the $12 million was discovered did they call


           17              Ken McDowell and say, "Hey, what's up, you


           18              know, we got $12 million bucks here where


           19              did it come from," and get an explanation


           20              from him as to why that $12 million was


           21              there.  Because I haven't heard any


           22              explanation publically of what he has to say


           23              about it, so I don't know that they even


           24              asked him.


           25                      MS. EVANS: I think I read in the






            1              newspaper that Attorney McGovern did attempt


            2              to contact Mr. McDowell once and


            3              Mr. McDowell did not respond.


            4                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  All right.  And


            5              that would be one of the questions I would


            6              ask.


            7                      MS. GATELLI: But as you know, we


            8              can't believe what we read in the newspaper.


            9                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Sorry to say,


           10              Stacy, I don't read the paper that often,


           11              but I did read it today, so if they've asked


           12              that question, I'd just like them to answer


           13              that question when they first discovered is


           14              that the first person they called and asked


           15              was him and get his explanation of why or


           16              why the money was there or why it should be


           17              there or shouldn't be there.


           18                      MS. FANUCCI: I want to know who made


           19              the deposits, that's what I want to know who


           20              put the money there.


           21                      MS. GATELLI: I mean, if there is a


           22              chief clerk in charge of that then they


           23              should have known, also.


           24                      MS. FANUCCI: How often were they


           25              made they --






            1                      MS. GATELLI: I mean, it's not ---


            2                      MS. FANUCCI:  They are easy


            3              questions.


            4                      MR. COURTRIGHT: But anyway,


            5              obviously, we have questions, obviously we


            6              have questions and I would hope that they


            7              would step up and come here and answer them


            8              for us.  And, you know, you talk about


            9              Mother's Day, I think every one of us here


           10              knows that council keeps you pretty busy and


           11              I know a lot of people think it's just this


           12              meeting, but God knows it's much more than


           13              just this meeting, so to be on council I


           14              actually don't get to spend as much time


           15              with my mom as I should because I'll drive


           16              her where I could drive her and while I'm


           17              driving her somebody is calling me and


           18              asking me what's going on for council so we


           19              don't even really get to talk in the car,


           20              but obviously I love my mom and I want to


           21              wish her Happy Mother's Day and my wife


           22              because I spent so much time on this council


           23              if it wasn't for her my children wouldn't


           24              turn out as good as they are, and so happy


           25              Mother's Day and both and to everybody here.






            1              Thank you.  That's all I have.


            2                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you,


            3              Mr. Courtright.  Just, and I'm not saying


            4              this to defend Mr. McGovern or Mrs. Flynn,


            5              but again, I will repeat, I have been in


            6              contact with Mr. McGovern, he has said on


            7              many occasions that he would be willing to


            8              speak with council and I understand that


            9              that's that -- we feel that that's not


           10              adequate, but I do want to at least put it


           11              out there that, you know, Mr. McGovern has


           12              been cooperative to the extent that he said


           13              he would speak to us it was just not in a


           14              public venue.


           15                      It should also be pointed out that


           16              we seem to be blaming Mr. McGovern and Mrs.


           17              Flynn somehow for the $12 million.  They are


           18              the ones that discovered that it was there


           19              and I don't think that there is any attempt


           20              on their part to cover it up since they are


           21              the ones that initially announced that they


           22              had found that money, so I do think that we


           23              need to get answers to some questions and I


           24              know somebody said that they would not be


           25              attending that meeting.  I hope that it's






            1              not -- I would like to attend the meeting


            2              that they are having just to see what is


            3              being said.  I hope that doesn't offend


            4              anyone on council or that anyone has an


            5              objection to that, but I will make an


            6              attempt to go to the meeting that is being


            7              held on Monday just to see what it is that


            8              they present and maybe what they don't


            9              present as well and then we will be glad to


           10              report back to you what was said at that


           11              time.


           12                      Also, on the city's answers about


           13              the complex and the replacement field the


           14              answer that I received when I asked was


           15              basically the same that came from the


           16              University of Scranton that the replacement


           17              field that they're at least saying is a


           18              replacement, it's not a new field, but the


           19              idea was that they were going to put lights


           20              at Rockwell Avenue, at the field at Rockwell


           21              Avenue or Rockwell Park, I'm not sure, and


           22              that that would be used for softball leagues


           23              and all.  But at the same time, a new field


           24              would until it's out of litigation and the


           25              University of Scranton releases money that,






            1              you know, that they have promised or said


            2              that it would be released, so that they are


            3              not going to do anything on an entirely new


            4              field, at least that's my understanding.  I


            5              don't know if that's an adequate answer, but


            6              it's the answer that is being given.


            7                      And along with the letter, I will


            8              attempt to get a response about the Channel


            9              61 funds, if I can, prior to our next


           10              meeting.


           11                      MS. EVANS: I might suggest though on


           12              at that topic, because I'm sorry to


           13              interrupt you, but I know Mr. Courtright


           14              brought it up and then I forgot about it and


           15              now that you've brought it up, in the event


           16              -- I know that this was unanimously approved


           17              by council to provide that funding and, of


           18              course, if any of the funds were unused they


           19              would be returned to the city.


           20                      Now, even if the mayor were not in


           21              agreement with that motion, council still


           22              has the power via the Home Rule Charter to


           23              amend the operating budget and that requires


           24              only four out of five council people in


           25              order to do so.  The budget can be amended






            1              and opened by council without the permission


            2              of the mayor, we can determine from what


            3              account we would like the funding to be


            4              drawn and provide that money to Channel 61


            5              and so I would ask that you as well to


            6              consider that because I know that we made


            7              that motion several weeks ago, meanwhile,


            8              the clock is ticking and Scranton Today


            9              still has nothing.


           10                      MR. MCGOFF: As I said, how about if


           11              I seek an answer to the question as to the


           12              funding.  If and when I get the answer let


           13              you know what it is and if it's


           14              inappropriate for what we believe to be an


           15              adequate response then we can look into it--


           16                      MS. EVANS: Yes, but if he is


           17              agreeable could the legislation, I know I


           18              asked this I think two weeks ago, could the


           19              legislation please be prepared to be


           20              introduced at council next week?


           21                      MR. MCGOFF: I will ask that, sure.


           22                      MS. EVANS: Thank you.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF: And as all of my


           24              colleagues have done, I would like to wish a


           25              Happy Mother's Day, especially my wife, my






            1              daughter and my daughter-in-law, my wife for


            2              providing me with three children and my


            3              daughter and daughter-in-law with four


            4              grandchildren and all others members of


            5              council and all other mothers to have a


            6              wonderful day, a day specifically for them.


            7              And that is all I have.


            8                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Mr. McGoff, can I


            9              just say one thing, because I know this has


           10              gotten down in the past with Rockwell


           11              Avenue, the neighbors on Rockwell Avenue are


           12              not happy about having lights put there, all


           13              right, they have stressed that to me on more


           14              than one occasion, so do we know for a fact


           15              that lights are going to go there?


           16                      MS. GATELLI: I think so.


           17                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  They are not happy


           18              about it.


           19                      MR. MCGOFF: Well, the last I heard,


           20              I asked about the field, they said Rockwell


           21              Field and that lights were going to be put


           22              up I then spoke with Mark Dougher from Parks


           23              and Recreation and I believe he said that


           24              the lights were going to be through the


           25              Redevelopment Authority and that they are






            1              awaiting on the funding for the lights or


            2              something, so I'm not sure exactly where the


            3              status of putting the lights on the field is


            4              but that was, that is the plan.


            5                      MS. EVANS: Like Mr. Courtright


            6              though, I think we would want to seek the


            7              input of the residents whose homes border


            8              that field and also according to the


            9              memorandum of understanding, you know, these


           10              have to be fields that are in compliance


           11              with ASA regulation and I don't know that


           12              these fields are, and it's also a matter of


           13              replacing all of the fields that were a part


           14              of the South Side complex, not just one


           15              field.


           16                      MS. GATELLI: Yeah, but that's not


           17              happening now.  That's not going to happen


           18              until all of the litigation is over.


           19                      MS. EVANS: Litigation, right, but my


           20              point being --


           21                      MS. GATELLI: This really isn't the


           22              replacement field technically.


           23                      MS. EVANS: But the new field, well,


           24              let us say if we wanted to make Rockwell


           25              Field it's not only the matter of lighting






            1              it's a matter of all of the fields that must


            2              be replaced and what the cost of that would


            3              be because even the $100,000 from the


            4              University of Scranton is not going to even


            5              scratch what that cost will be since I


            6              believe when the complex was originally


            7              constructed the cost then decades ago was


            8              close to $100,000.  So, you know, according


            9              to that memorandum of understanding in that


           10              Senate Bill, those fields were to have been


           11              provided I believe in April of 2005, the


           12              replacement fields, so we are three years


           13              beyond that point right now and, you know,


           14              technically the city has gotten away with it


           15              for three years and in the mean time,


           16              however, as you know, Mr. McGoff, the


           17              softball teams haven't been utilizing the


           18              fields of the complex.  I know there are


           19              soccer leagues that utilize those fields,


           20              but all of those other teams that play there


           21              summer after summer after summer have had to


           22              go elsewhere so that's my concern that the


           23              people get what's been promised to them


           24              legally.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF: Understood.  Thank you.






            1              Mrs. Garvey.


            2                      MS. GARVEY: FIFTH ORDER.  5-B. FOR


            3              INTRODUCTION - A RESOLUTION - AUTHORIZING


            4              THE MAYOR AND OTHER APPROPRIATE CITY






            7              IN THE AMOUNT OF $60,000 BY AND BETWEEN THE








           11              PROJECT.


           12                      MR. MCGOFF: At this time I'll


           13              entertain a motion that Item 5-B be


           14              introduced into it's proper committee.


           15                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.


           16                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.


           17                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?


           18                      MS. EVANS: I'd prefer that we set


           19              these aside temporarily until our visit from


           20              Mrs. Aebli until, you know, we can clear up


           21              the statements that have been made regarding


           22              monitoring reports and etcetera, before we


           23              would grant anymore funding, well, loans


           24              specifically to any other businesses.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF: I don't think that we --






            1              I honestly don't believe that we need to do


            2              that.  These are things that we have looked


            3              at before.  In talking with Mr. Aebli, they


            4              are continuing to work to provide, you know,


            5              whatever documentation is necessary and that


            6              the people have met the specifications for


            7              these loans, I don't think that there is


            8              anything in jeopardy in terms of money to


            9              the city and I think that these are, you


           10              know, two projects that allow, you know, two


           11              albeit small businesses to open and to


           12              operate and I think they are worthy of our


           13              attention at this time.


           14                      MS. EVANS: Well, I agree the


           15              businesses are worthy of our attention, I


           16              have nothing against either of the


           17              businesses and I hope they are successful,


           18              but when questions are raised regarding the


           19              Office of Economic and Community Development


           20              on a local level I would like to see


           21              monitoring reports, I would like to see


           22              everything cleared up before I would


           23              continue handing out of the cash.


           24                      MS. FANUCCI:  We could not hand out


           25              the cash until HUD tells us to hand out the






            1              cash, so it's not our office it would be


            2              HUD, so, you know, to sit here and say,


            3              well, the state actually is not doing their


            4              job would be what would be accurate.


            5                      MS. EVANS: HUD is federal money.


            6                      MS. FANUCCI: HUD is the one that has


            7              to oversee all of the regulations, so they


            8              have to comply with HUD.


            9                      MS. EVANS: Right, but what citizens


           10              appear to be saying is that these


           11              conclusions are coming from HUD.


           12                      MS. FANUCCI: But, that --


           13                      MS. GATELLI: If I recall though


           14              didn't he say it was 2005?


           15                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Yes.


           16                      MS. GATELLI:  But this isn't under a


           17              limit.


           18                      MS. FANUCCI: This is 2005 he is


           19              talking about and we are some reason on the


           20              website, I don't know.


           21                      MS. EVANS: Well, there has got to be


           22              a carry over when things are not -- I'm not


           23              saying -- I'm not accusing anybody.


           24                      MS. FANUCCI: I myself am not going


           25              to -- and the statement of --






            1                      MS. GATELLI: It wasn't purposefully


            2              if they did it.


            3                      MS. FANUCCI: I won't accept the


            4              motion, that's all.


            5                      MR. MCGOFF: Anyone else on the


            6              question?  All those in favor signify by


            7              saying aye.


            8                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


            9                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           10                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           11                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?


           12                      MS. EVANS:  No.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF: The ayes have it and so


           14              moved.


           15                      MS. GARVEY: 5-C. FOR INTRODUCTION -


           16              A RESOLUTION - AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND




           18              AND ENTER INTO A LOAN AGREEMENT AND TO


           19              EXECUTE A PROMISSORY NOTE, IN THE AMOUNT OF


           20              $36,000 BY AND BETWEEN THE CITY OF SCRANTON


           21              AND F & M RESTAURANT LLC D/B/A/ YANNI'S




           23              GRANT FUNDS TO BE DEDICATED TO THE F & M


           24              RESTAURANT LLC D/B/A/ YANNI'S GREEK BISTRO


           25              PROJECT.






            1                      MR. MCGOFF: At this time I'll


            2              entertain a motion that Item 5-C be


            3              introduced into it's proper committee.


            4                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  So moved.


            5                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.


            6                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question.  All


            7              those in favor signify by saying eye.


            8                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


            9                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           10                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           11                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?


           12                      MS. EVANS: No.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF: The ayes have it and so


           14              moved.


           15                      MS. GARVEY: SIXTH ORDER.  NO


           16              BUSINESS AT THIS TIME.  SEVENTH ORDER.  7-A.


           17                      MS. GATELLI:  Before you start


           18              reading this I would like to make a motion


           19              to table this for this evening and to have


           20              you contact Mike Hanley so he can speak to


           21              us about the Human Relations Committee.


           22                      MS. EVANS: Second.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?  All


           24              those in favor of tabling Item 7-A signify


           25              by saying aye.






            1                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


            2                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


            3                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


            4                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


            5                      MR. MCGOFF:  Opposed?  No. The ayes


            6              have it and 7-A is tabled.


            7                      MS. GARVEY: 7-B FOR CONSIDERATION BY




            9              ADOPTION - RESOLUTION NO. 28, 2008 -










           14              ("DCED") FOR IT'S EMERGENCY RESPONDERS




           16              $30,000.00 GRANT TO UPDATE FIRE DEPARTMENT


           17              EQUIPMENT.


           18                      MR. MCGOFF: What is the


           19              recommendation of the Chairperson for the


           20              Committee on Community Development?


           21                      MS. FANUCCI: As Chairperson for the


           22              Committee on Community Development, I


           23              recommend final passage of Item 7-B.


           24                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question.  Roll






            1              call, please.


            2                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.


            3                      MS. EVANS:  Yes.


            4                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Gatelli.


            5                      MS. GATELLI.  Yes.


            6                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.


            7                      MS. FANUCCI:  Yes.


            8                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. Courtright.


            9                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Yes.


           10                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.


           11                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes.  I hereby declare


           12              Item 7-B legally and lawfully adopted.


           13                      MS. GARVEY: 7-C. FOR CONSIDERATION




           15              FOR ADOPTION - RESOLUTION NO. 29, 2008 -










           20              PROGRAM, PROJECT NO. 150.16 IN REGARDS TO


           21              PAUL S. COOPER, JOHN B. COOPER AND ANGELA


           22              COOPER D/B/A/ 510 LINDEN STREET COMPANY.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF: What is the


           24              recommendation of the Chairperson for the


           25              Committee on Community Development?






            1                      MS. FANUCCI: As Chairperson for the


            2              Committee on Community Development, I


            3              recommend final passage of Item 7-C.


            4                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.


            5                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?


            6                      MS. EVANS: Yes, I'm going to be


            7              voting in favor of this, but it's a


            8              different set of circumstances because this


            9              is a loan that has been ongoing for a number


           10              of years.  The owners of the property now


           11              owe less than 1/3 of the original cost of


           12              the loan, they have an excellent payment


           13              history with the City of Scranton and it


           14              also involves a piece of property that has


           15              been, well, a troublesome spot in the


           16              downtown area and, of course, we want to


           17              keep it on the tax roles, but we are hoping


           18              that it's going to be taken over by perhaps


           19              a more responsible people friendly business.


           20              However, as I said, the underlying reason is


           21              that this loan has been in effect for quite


           22              a long time and they do have an excellent


           23              payment history.


           24                      MR. MCGOFF: Anyone else?  Roll call,


           25              please.






            1                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.


            2                      MS. EVANS:  Yes.


            3                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Gatelli.


            4                      MS. GATELLI.  Yes.


            5                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.


            6                      MS. FANUCCI:  Yes.


            7                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. Courtright.


            8                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Yes.


            9                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.


           10                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes.  I hereby declare


           11              Item 7-C legally and lawfully adopted.


           12              Motion to adjourn.


           13                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.


           14                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.




























            1                     C E R T I F I C A T E




            3        I hereby certify that the proceedings and


            4   evidence are contained fully and accurately in the


            5   notes of testimony taken by me at the hearing of the


            6   above-captioned matter and that the foregoing is a true


            7   and correct transcript of the same to the best of my


            8   ability.







                                    CATHENE S. NARDOZZI

           12                       OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER