1              SCRANTON CITY COUNCIL MEETING








            5                          HELD:




            7                   Tuesday, April 1, 2008




            9                        LOCATION:


           10                    Council Chambers


           11                 Scranton City Hall


           12              340 North Washington Avenue


           13                Scranton, Pennsylvania





















                            CATHENE S. NARDOZZI- COURT REPORTER






















                MS. JANET E. EVANS



            9   MS. SHERRY FANUCCI



                MR. WILLIAM COURTRIGHT



           12   MS. KAY GARVEY, CITY CLERK






           15   MR. AMIL MINORA, SOLICITOR


























            1                      (Pledge of Allegiance recited and


            2              moment of reflection observed.)


            3                      MR. MCGOFF:  Roll call, please.


            4                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.


            5                      MS. EVANS:  Here.


            6                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Gatelli.


            7                      MS. GATELLI.  Here.


            8                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.


            9                      MS. FANUCCI:  Here.


           10                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. Courtright.


           11                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Here.


           12                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF:  Here.  Dispense with


           14              the reading of the minutes.  THIRD ORDER.


           15                      MS. GARVEY:  3-A. MINUTES OF THE




           17              MEETING HELD ON JANUARY 23, 2008.


           18                      MR. MCGOFF:  Are there any comments?


           19              If not, received and filed.


           20                      MS. GARVEY:  3-B.  MINUTES OF THE




           22              MEETING HELD ON FEBRUARY 27, 2008?


           23                      MR. MCGOFF:  Are there any comments?


           24              If not, received and filed.


           25                      MS. GARVEY:  3-C. MINUTES OF THE








            2              HELD ON FEBRUARY 27, 2008.


            3                      MR. MCGOFF:  Are there any comments?


            4              If not, received and filed.


            5                      MS. GARVEY:  3-D. AGENDA FOR THE




            7              APRIL 9, 2008.


            8                      MR. MCGOFF:  Are there any comments?


            9              If not, received and filed.


           10                      MS. GARVEY:  3-E. COMPLIANCE AUDIT




           12              PENSION FUND FOR 2006.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF:  Are there any comments?


           14              If not, received and filed.


           15                      MS. GARVEY:  That's it for Third


           16              Order.


           17                      MR. MCGOFF:  Prior to Fourth Order,


           18              are there any announcements?


           19                      MS. EVANS:  Yes.


           20                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I just have one, the


           21              Scranton Chapter of the American Red Cross


           22              is going to hold it's 19th Annual Dinner


           23              Auction on Saturday April 12 from 6 to 10


           24              p.m. and if you're interested in attending


           25              you can call Cindy at 207-0109.  That's it.






            1              Thank you.


            2                      MS. EVANS:  I'd like to once again


            3              announce that the Special Olympics Cocktail


            4              party is scheduled for April 11, 2008, at


            5              Holy Rosary Center on West Market Street


            6              from 7 to 10 p.m.  Tickets are $35 and can


            7              be purchased at the door.


            8                      Also, St. Peter's and Paul Parish on


            9              1309 West Locust Street, Scranton,


           10              Pennsylvania, is sponsoring a craft fair on


           11              April 12, 2008,8 from 9 a.m. to 3 p.m. in


           12              the church hall.  Interested vendors may


           13              call 343-8872 to reserve tables.


           14              Refreshments will be available.


           15                      And, finally, I would ask that you


           16              please remember in your prayers Mrs. Mary


           17              Auriemma and Mrs. Rose Stuckart, both great


           18              ladies who are dearly missed by their


           19              families and friends.  I will especially


           20              Miss Rose who was a dear friend of mine and


           21              my fathers and whose messages of love and


           22              encouragement kept me going through many


           23              difficult times over the last five years.


           24              So, Rose, God bless you and keep you always.


           25              Thank you.






            1                      MR. MCGOFF:  Anyone else?  Fourth


            2              Order, Citizens Participation.  Doug Miller.


            3                      MR. MILLER:  Good evening, Council.


            4              Doug Miller, president of Scranton Junior


            5              City Council.  Just briefly I want to again


            6              remind everyone of our charity basketball


            7              game that the Junior Council has organized.


            8              It is scheduled for this Friday, April 4, at


            9              7 p.m. at Scranton High School.  Admission


           10              is $3 and all proceeds will benefit a police


           11              and firemen's memorial.  We on Junior


           12              Council believe that this is an opportunity


           13              for us to give the spotlight to the true


           14              heroes and that is why we have given this


           15              night theme heroes night because this is the


           16              night honor our brave public servicemen and


           17              women who deserve to be recognized.  These


           18              are people who wake up every morning knowing


           19              they're going put their lives on the line to


           20              protect us and so it's our duty to honor


           21              them and what they do for us, and so we hope


           22              that residents will come out and support our


           23              police and firemen and we have a great night


           24              planned full of excitement and family.  We'd


           25              also like to let everyone know that there






            1              will be a concession with refreshments,


            2              drinks, raffle tickets will be sold where


            3              you will have a chance to win gift baskets,


            4              so we look forward to an exciting night and


            5              we ask everyone to come out and show their


            6              support.  Thank you.


            7                      MS. EVANS:  And, Doug, a little


            8              surprise, my husband volunteered to referee


            9              that game.


           10                      MR. MILLER: Yes, he did and we


           11              appreciate your support and we appreciate


           12              your contribution towards the event and we


           13              thank you for your support and we'd like to


           14              extend the invitation to all of Council,


           15              hopefully we will have your support as well,


           16              so thank you.  And also I don't want to


           17              forget, too, I would like to thank Mr.


           18              McGoff for his help in organizing this event


           19              as well as Mrs. Gatelli.  When Junior


           20              Council and City Council work together


           21              you're successful in planning events and


           22              this is just another example how when you


           23              work together you get the job done, so thank


           24              you.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF:  Thank you, Doug.  Jim






            1              Williams.


            2                      MR. WILLIAMS:  Yes.  Good evening,


            3              Council, my name is Jim Williams.  I'm a


            4              Scranton City Resident, property owner and


            5              taxpayer.  I'm here tonight to voice my


            6              opinion concerning the Single Tax Office.


            7              Everything comes out in the paper that we


            8              find 11 or 12 or 13 million and yet to be


            9              discovered how many millions are there and


           10              then we seem to have changed the blame a


           11              little from the Single Tax Office to the


           12              city controller's office.  I agree 100


           13              percent that the city controller was wrong


           14              for not auditing that office, but the city


           15              controller was not the city tax collector.


           16              The city tax collector was Ken McDowell.


           17              Ken McDowell knew that there was 12 million,


           18              11 million or 13 million.  Ken McDowell knew


           19              exactly what was in that office.  Ken


           20              McDowell when he left office to take a


           21              county office knew what was in there.  Ken


           22              McDowell used the city tax office to his


           23              benefit.  He even changed it's name.  He


           24              changed it's name from the Scranton Single


           25              Tax Office to the Lackawanna County Single






            1              Tax Office so when he was running for county


            2              controller it looked like he was an


            3              incumbent candidate countywide, held county


            4              office when, in fact, he did not.  They just


            5              not removed that Lackawanna County Single


            6              Tax Office from the building and returned it


            7              to it's original name.


            8                      I think Council in this particular


            9              case with Mr. McDowell has to use all of


           10              it's power granted under the law under the


           11              Home Rule Charter.  It needs to investigate


           12              itself what took place in the Single Tax


           13              Office.  Everyone is out there screaming and


           14              hollering how nothing has happened, nothing


           15              was swept under the rug, no one has done any


           16              harm, no one has done anything wrong, I


           17              raised five children, every time one of them


           18              is saying that to me you can bet they were


           19              involved, you could bet they did something


           20              wrong.  And, ladies and gentlemen, members


           21              of Council, you can bet something is wrong


           22              here, $12 million just doesn't appear in a


           23              computer glitch for five years.  He has been


           24              tax collector for five years and he


           25              misplaced $12 million.  He also misplaced a






            1              laptop computer owned by the City of


            2              Scranton the Scranton School Board, the


            3              taxpayers of which I should say, when he


            4              left office he took the laptop with him.  I


            5              think if we had the laptop we would have the


            6              answer.  I think Ken McDowell and his


            7              solicitor should show up here in front of


            8              Council and answer the questions instead of


            9              being on a missing list.  He can't be


           10              reached for comment.  They are the


           11              responsible parties, not Mrs. Novembrino


           12              who, yes, neglected to do her job granted,


           13              she should never, ever do that again.  We


           14              should all be taught a lesson from the mayor


           15              on down here.


           16                      I just hope that all this money


           17              wasn't hid intentionally, go out and borrow


           18              10 million dollars for which they say


           19              probably 5 million of which is in the bank


           20              belongs to the City of Scranton, when it's


           21              all said and done I hope we take that 5


           22              million dollars and put it to the 10 million


           23              debt we incurred, and I think now we can


           24              name our tax hikes like we name our


           25              hurricanes and our tropical storms and with






            1              can call it the Ken McDowell 2006-2007 tax


            2              increase second to none in the City of


            3              Scranton.


            4                      This man, something needs to be


            5              done, this Council needs to take the reigns.


            6              This Council needs stand up and do whatever


            7              it takes.  You have subpoena power and


            8              whether or not you can use it with this man


            9              I don't know, if you can you should.  We


           10              need no outsiders.  We need to you stand up


           11              and say, "What happened, what went wrong


           12              and, Mr. McDowell, get in here and, Mr.


           13              Rinaldi, get in here with him since you were


           14              paid good money to oversee."


           15                      We get a solicitor with the tax


           16              office now the guys not their a month and he


           17              finds $12 million when the existing one


           18              that's there for five years with Ken


           19              McDowell doesn't find anything?  The only


           20              thing Ken McDowell found in the last five


           21              years is the golf course, that's all he's


           22              found.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF:  Excuse me, Mr.


           24              Williams, you're --


           25                      MR. WILLIAMS: He's now in the county






            1              and he controls a budget times ten and not


            2              only that every person that's retired in


            3              Lackawanna County, all the employees that


            4              have past retired, the ones that are gone,


            5              their pension goes through his office.  So


            6              stand up, please.  I would like to thank


            7              Council for allowing me this right with all


            8              due respect.  Thank you.


            9                      MR. MCGOFF:  Thank you Mr. Williams.


           10                      MR. SPINDLER:  Good evening,


           11              Council.  Les Spindler, city resident.


           12              Well, I wasn't surprised to see last Friday,


           13              I think it was in last Friday's newsletter


           14              that Mayor Doherty isn't going along with


           15              the investigation of Fire Chief Davis which


           16              was voted a 4 to 1 vote by City Council, but


           17              I think Mrs. Gatelli and Mrs. Fanucci just


           18              voted for that because they knew the mayor


           19              wouldn't go along with it anyway, and I want


           20              to read something here.


           21                      MS. FANUCCI:  Les, please don't


           22              speak for me, that's all I have to say.


           23              Please do not speak -- just.


           24                      MR. SPINDLER: This is my time, just


           25              sit up there --






            1                      MS. FANUCCI: Don't include me in


            2              your comments.


            3                      MR. SPINDLER:  Would you keep her


            4              under control, Mr. McGoff, this is my time.


            5                      MR. MCGOFF:  Excuse me, Mr. Spindler


            6              you did make --


            7                      MS. FANUCCI:  A comment.


            8                      MR. SPINDLER: But this is my time,


            9              she has her time.


           10                      MS. FANUCCI:  Obey the rules of


           11              Council, Mr. Spindler.


           12                      MR. MCGOFF:  Okay.  Thank you.


           13                      MR. SPINDLER:  Mr. McGoff applauded


           14              the mayor's decision and criticized


           15              complaints against the chief which you said


           16              were politically overdo.  Well, Mr. McGoff,


           17              when are you going understand that this


           18              isn't politically motivated, it's a public


           19              safety issue?  The firemen, the firefighters


           20              I should say are just out for their own


           21              safety.  If you and the mayor are so against


           22              this investigation I think that just proves


           23              that these allegations are true because you


           24              don't want an investigation.  If I was in


           25              the chief's shoes and I knew I didn't






            1              anything, I'd say bring it on, investigate


            2              all you want, but being that you and the


            3              mayor don't want an investigation I think


            4              the chief is guilty as charged.


            5                      Mr. Courtright, last week they were


            6              talking about the building that Mr. Donahue


            7              was going to make a restaurant, he said


            8              there was several restaurants that wanted to


            9              go in there but because they didn't want the


           10              bridge they said they wouldn't be able to do


           11              business, well, even if the bridge is closed


           12              there is two other ways to get to that


           13              building.  So, I think that's a ludicrous


           14              statement to say they couldn't do business


           15              if the bridge is closed.  I don't know what


           16              the hold up is.


           17                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I spoke to Mr.


           18              Donahue today, he happened to be driving


           19              down the street and I flagged him over --


           20              would you like me to tell him what I --


           21                      MR. SPINDLER:  Could you after?


           22                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I'll wait until


           23              you're -- okay.


           24                      MR. SPINDLER:  Like I said, if the


           25              bridge is closed there's still two other






            1              ways to get to that building, I don't see


            2              how it could hurt business.


            3                      Next thing, back to the fire chief,


            4              Mr. Courtright, now that there's no


            5              investigation being the chair of public


            6              safety I think the ball is in your court now


            7              and it's up to you to call for this


            8              investigation, which I think under Council


            9              Rules you are allowed to do.  So, as I said,


           10              the ball's in your court now and I hope you


           11              do the right thing, Mr. Courtright, because


           12              it's a public safety issue not a political


           13              issue as Mr. McGoff wants to make it into.


           14                   Mrs. Evans, about the bridge, I know --


           15              I appreciate everything you gave me, but we


           16              still don't know when it's going to start


           17              but I did hear tonight that the original


           18              cost of the bridge was one and a half


           19              million dollars and now it's up to seven and


           20              a half million dollars.  I'd like to know


           21              what added six million dollars to the price


           22              of that bridge, maybe we could look into


           23              that.


           24                      MS. EVANS:  Yes.


           25                      MR. SPINDLER:  Thank you.  Another






            1              thing, Mrs. Evans, the 200 block of Franklin


            2              Avenue, it's where the Forum Parking Garage


            3              is, just past the entrance to the garage


            4              there's a pothole there and it starts as a


            5              pothole but if you look into the pothole you


            6              can see down into the ground.  If somebody


            7              hits that they're going to do severe damage


            8              to their car, this goes -- I don't know if


            9              it goes down into a mine or what, but you


           10              can see it open and did I call DPW, but you


           11              get machines.  And that's all I have


           12              tonight.  Thank you.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF:  Thank you, Mr.


           14              Spindler.  Andy Sbaraglia.


           15                      MR. SBARAGLIA:  Andy Sbaraglia,


           16              citizen of Scranton.  Fellow Scrantonians,


           17              5-B.  We are looking to lend a quarter of a


           18              million dollars to LLC. for a project at 501


           19              South Washington Avenue.  That's the project


           20              you just gave, I think it was a $200,000


           21              loan you forgave for that project.  The guy


           22              walked away, washed his hands, put the money


           23              in his pocket and was gone, we didn't get


           24              our money back.  Now, you want to turn


           25              around and lend $250,000 to someone else






            1              that wants to get into the same project.


            2              How much is this project supposed to cost


            3              us?  Not only that it, it's important.


            4              You're behind the Lafayette for $3,691,800


            5              that means they have to get their money


            6              before we can get ours become and this is an


            7              endless deal with you people, you supporting


            8              anything and you're jeopardizing the whole


            9              city projects.  That money that you lost,


           10              that 200,000 that we lost probably could


           11              have been used somewhere else to greater


           12              efficiency, but it's gone.  You forgave I


           13              don't know how many loans, I probably would


           14              have to look back in my records to see how


           15              many were forgiven after three years when


           16              you hire five people forget about paying the


           17              city back, the city is rich.  In fact, we're


           18              so rich we lost our bond rating.  We now


           19              have no bond rating.  We were a BBB, now we


           20              even fell below that, we're below junk, in


           21              other words, they figure we are going to


           22              collapse and then you plan to go throughout


           23              and borrow $11 million with no bond rating?


           24              You know how much interest you are going to


           25              have to pay and how much we are going to be






            1              penalized?  But why care?  Hey, why care


            2              about anything?  We could all move out of


            3              here someday.  We're not grounded here.


            4              This is America.  After we ruin one


            5              community we just move to another.  There's


            6              a lot that can be ruined.


            7                      Somebody said our two arbitration


            8              cases that we lost cost the city up to $3


            9              million, is that a correct figure?  It cost


           10              us $3 million to get an arbitration, the


           11              things that we lost.  You have been very mum


           12              on it, I thought you would have been out


           13              here really pushing it telling the people


           14              this money was lost.  Now, Mr. Courtright, I


           15              know years ago you said, "Why is he doing


           16              this?"


           17                      I attended enough meetings to say


           18              hire them clerks back, we are going to end


           19              up paying for them and we get no work out of


           20              them, but the mayor and his stubbornness


           21              kept pushing the issue and now it's costing


           22              us.  Now, if it's $3 million, that's a lot.


           23                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Andy, I don't


           24              believe it's SIT, I believe it's a little


           25              bit over a million.  I don't know what other






            1              ones you're referring to other than the SIT?


            2                      MR. SBARAGALIA:  Well, I guess what


            3              they did was we owed them the salary


            4              anyway --


            5                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Twenty-seven pay.


            6                      MR. SBARGALIA: Yeah, maybe that's


            7              how they incorporated into it.


            8                      MR. COURTRIGHT: They may have.


            9                      MR. SBARAGLIA: Plus we had a penalty


           10              on top of that.  I think one man said he got


           11              $500 extra.


           12                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Interest, and the


           13              SIT I don't think they settled yet.


           14                      MR. SBARAGLIA:  And then we had


           15              lawyer fees put in there somewhere along the


           16              line on both sides?


           17                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I would assume that,


           18              but I don't know that for a fact.


           19                      MR. SBARAGLIA:  Well, I assume them


           20              lawyers don't work for free, so hence it


           21              might be close to that 3 million dollar


           22              figure, and it's a shame if it is and it's a


           23              shame that it wasn't really broken down and


           24              telling the people truly how much money we


           25              lost, now it's a 3 million dollar figure.  I






            1              get probably a little sum of it, but like I


            2              said, there's a lot of hidden costs in


            3              there, like you would you have to know how


            4              much the lawyers's fees were, how many times


            5              that they appealed it, how much money they


            6              got for this, that and whatever, but they


            7              said it was up to 3 million, and that's a


            8              shame.


            9                      The city is going down the tubes as


           10              fast as you can do it.  There's people up


           11              there, I told you a long time ago, watch the


           12              pennies and the dollars will follow, but you


           13              throw the pennies away, not only the pennies


           14              but the dollars, and now it's millions of


           15              dollars and you're pressing the people more


           16              and more and more.  I always said the


           17              government is actually your enemy, your


           18              weapon is your growth, and to be an


           19              intelligent person you've got go out there


           20              and check all of the candidates so you know


           21              who you're voting for so you don't end in


           22              this predicament that we are in now.  That's


           23              very tragically when you lose your bond


           24              rating, that's bad, and when you plan to go


           25              out there and go in the field and borrow 10






            1              or 11 million on top of it, that's real bad.


            2              I don't know if we could still get a bond


            3              rating.  Last time we bought one.  Well,


            4              let's hope we can buy one again.  Thank you.


            5                      MR. MCGOFF:  Thank you, Mr.


            6              Sbaraglia.  Fay Franus.


            7                      MS. FRANUS:  Fay Franus.  Billy, for


            8              weeks now I've been coming here and


            9              listening to you say you didn't know what


           10              you were going to do, well, you have to read


           11              things about this investigation of Chief


           12              Davis and Les Spindler mentioned it, but I'm


           13              asking you directly, are you going to have


           14              your own investigation because you can.  You


           15              can.  Now --


           16                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Do you want me to


           17              answer now?


           18                      MS. FRANUS:  I want to continue my


           19              thought.


           20                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Okay, go ahead.


           21                      MS. FRANUS:  You know, every week


           22              you are coming with excuses, this, this,


           23              this and wishy-washy, make a stand.  Do


           24              something.  You have a right to do it so I


           25              want a yes or no are you going to have an






            1              investigation or not?


            2                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Under the Home Rule


            3              Charter I have no right to do an


            4              investigation, I asked them, and if you'll


            5              let me finish my answer before you yell at


            6              me, I asked Mr. Minora about state law, and


            7              nothing against Mr. Minora, but I knew if I


            8              said I asked Mr. Minora you people would say


            9              his opinion is not worth anything, so I


           10              asked another attorney, they can't find


           11              anywhere where I have any authority to do


           12              anything like that under state law.


           13                      If could you show it to me and if it


           14              looks like something I might be interested I


           15              would consider it, but as far as I know I


           16              have no authority to do that.


           17                      MS. FRANUS:  Mrs. Evans, you stated


           18              that, now, where did you get that


           19              information from?


           20                      MS. EVANS: I have the information at


           21              home.


           22                      MS. FRANUS:  Is it reliable?  I


           23              mean, is it something that Billy should,


           24              know in other words, you read it, is it


           25              something he could do?






            1                      MS. EVANS: I would believe so, but I


            2              will share it with him.


            3                      MS. FRANUS:  Mr. Courtright, would


            4              you please find that --


            5                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Yes, I haven't been


            6              doing nothing.  I've asked.


            7                      MS. FRANUS: And if it's the case, if


            8              it's the case that you can do you have an


            9              answer for that next week?


           10                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I will look at it


           11              and see what it says and if I can I will


           12              answer when I have an answer.


           13                      MS. FRANUS:  Mrs. Gatelli, did you


           14              check into that thing with the Sewer


           15              Authority with the Home Rule Charter last


           16              week?  You said you would find out for me.


           17                      MS. GATELLI: Yeah, I'll give it to


           18              you in motions.


           19                      MS. FRANUS:  Why can't you answer me


           20              now?  Mrs. Gatelli I want an answer now.


           21                      MR. MCGOFF:  Mrs. Franus, she has


           22              the right to answer you during motions.


           23                      MS. FRANUS:  You have to wonder why,


           24              don't you, so I can't rebut what she says?


           25              Mrs. Gatelli, are you going to answer






            1              anything I ask you here tonight?


            2                      MR. MCGOFF: She said that she would


            3              answer you during motions.


            4                      MS. FRANUS:  I didn't say that, Mr.


            5              McGoff, I said is she going to answer


            6              anything?  I didn't say that.  I said is she


            7              going to answer anything I ask her now.  I'm


            8              not talking to you, I'm talking to Mrs.


            9              Gatelli.


           10                      MR. MCGOFF: That's fine, but I'm


           11              telling you what she --


           12                      MS. FRANUS: She can't speak for


           13              herself?


           14                      MR. MCGOFF: Yes, she can, but I'm --


           15                      MS. FRANUS:  Why are you speaking


           16              for her?


           17                      MR. MCGOFF:  She gave you an answer.


           18                      MS. FRANUS:  No, she didn't.  I said


           19              is she going to every question and you


           20              interrupted her.


           21                      Mrs. Fanucci, Les Spindler had a


           22              right to say what he said, it was his


           23              opinion as far as why he felt that you ands


           24              Mrs. Gatelli voted that way and you really


           25              don't have the right to tell him he can't






            1              say that, he can say that.


            2                      MS. FANUCCI:  Absolutely you are


            3              wrong.  You are wrong.


            4                      MS. FRANUS: No, absolutely I am


            5              right.


            6                      MS. FANUCCI: We have Rules of


            7              Council which you need to read, quite


            8              frankly.


            9                      MS. FRANUS:  Maybe you should read


           10              the Rules, too, you don't read rules.


           11                      MS. FANUCCI: Listen --


           12                      MS. FRANUS: You listen.


           13                      MS. FANUCCI: The problem is that you


           14              want --


           15                      MS. FRANUS:  No, you're wrong, Mrs.


           16              Fanucci.  Your Rules of Council do not


           17              supercede -- your Rules of Council --


           18                      MS. FANUCCI: Go to anger management


           19              and get your life in order.


           20                      MS. FRANUS:  Your Rules of Council


           21              do not supercede the First Amendment.  We


           22              have opinions.


           23                      MS. FANUCCI: No, you're wrong.


           24                      MS. FRANUS:  No, you're wrong.  And


           25              what makes you think you could never be






            1              wrong, Mrs. Fanucci, just because you say


            2              something just like when you walked out --


            3                      MS. FANUCCI:  I have admitted many


            4              times that I have made errors and been


            5              wrong, but I'm not going to sit here and let


            6              someone say things that are not accurate,


            7              just like I listen to you say things are not


            8              accurate.


            9                      MS. FRANUS: I say he has a right to


           10              his opinion is what I have said.


           11                      MS. FANUCCI: He can have his opinion


           12              and I have my right to talk when his opinion


           13              is given and I will answer with my opinion


           14              which is what I feel.


           15                      MS. FRANUS: That's right, and I


           16              agree with that.


           17                      MS. FANUCCI: Exactly, that's what I


           18              did.


           19                      MS. FRANUS:  No, you said he cannot


           20              mention your name.


           21                      MS. FANUCCI:  No, I did not say


           22              that.


           23                      MS. FRANUS: You said, "Don't bring


           24              my name into it," or whatever.


           25                      MS. FANUCCI:  No, that was not --






            1              you must have heard it wrong, what I said to


            2              him do not say and quote me on things that


            3              are not accurate.  That's what's the


            4              problem.


            5                      MS. FRANUS:  Okay, but that was his


            6              opinion.


            7                      MS. FANUCCI:  Why don't we talk


            8              about city business?  Do you have anything


            9              else going on?  Let's talk about something


           10              going on.  Do you got anything?  Come on,


           11              potholes something.


           12                      MR. MCGOFF:  All right, please.


           13                      MS. FANUCCI: I'm not going to sit


           14              here and babble all night.


           15                      MS. FRANUS:  The trouble with you


           16              people and what Jim Williams, the Hurricane


           17              names, it's the Mrs. Gatelli tax, the Mr.


           18              McGoff tax and Mrs. Fanucci tax and I hope,


           19              Mr. McGoff, are you going to bring Kenny


           20              McDowell down here to answer for that 12


           21              million dollars as you should?  Are you


           22              going to?  The people of Scranton would like


           23              to see this happen.  Are you going as


           24              president of Council ask Kenny McDowell to


           25              come in here and answer questions or you






            1              don't think there should be any reason to?


            2                      MR. MCGOFF:  And I'm going to ask


            3              him personally, no.


            4                      MS. FRANUS:  Well, are you going to


            5              ask him, not personally, are you going to


            6              ask him through Kay Garvey a letter sent out


            7              to Kenny McDowell to come in and answer


            8              questions?


            9                      MR. MCGOFF:  If it comes up, we'll--


           10                      MS. FRANUS:  It's come up.  I'm


           11              asking you.


           12                      MR. MCGOFF:  If it's brought up by


           13              Council we will discuss it.


           14                      MS. FRANUS:  Well, would you bring


           15              it up possibly?  Boy, you squirm out of


           16              everything, every one of you.


           17                      MR. MCGOFF: Paul Miele.  Did I


           18              pronounce that correctly?


           19                      MR. MIELE: The story I want to tell


           20              you is a nightmare.  I'm disabled.  First


           21              off, I was born and bread in this town, I


           22              went to school here to Bancroft and I've


           23              lived within the same couple of miles my


           24              entire life and I played -- was a musician


           25              my entire life, I played with a band on the






            1              east coast which was pretty popular in the


            2              80's, but I worked my whole life, I always


            3              paid my taxes, I always paid my bills, I


            4              raised three kids and I was in a car


            5              accident that left me with a chronic pain


            6              condition with my neck and my back.  I


            7              developed posttraumatic stress, I can't


            8              drive a car anymore because I think people


            9              are going to drive right through the stop


           10              sign and hit me again the way that's how I


           11              was injured.


           12                      I continued to work until about five


           13              years after the accident until I just


           14              couldn't to it anymore, I had to go on


           15              welfare.  Anyway, the important thing is


           16              this, I ended up in the summer, last summer,


           17              with no utilities, even I had my social


           18              security hearing on June the 6 and I won if


           19              fully favorable and, you know, the utility


           20              companies were going to get all of their


           21              money, but they turned everything off


           22              anyway.  I was living in my house with no


           23              utilities, me and my dog and a couple of


           24              cats, and they came -- the city came out


           25              rightfully and condemned my house because of






            1              that, but they told me that once my


            2              utilities were back on I just had a little


            3              bit of a flea problem upstairs because there


            4              were a couple cats that were pregnant and I


            5              let them have their kittens in my attic.


            6                   Anyway, the city did the right thing,


            7              you know, the utility company did the wrong


            8              thing, I paid them for years one car


            9              accident anyone of you could be in the


           10              position that I was in.  I was in the


           11              hospital for about a month.  I got the money


           12              from social security, I paid, I got all my


           13              utilities turned out, there is two people


           14              came up to my house, the lady from the Board


           15              of Health and a man from animal control.


           16              Somebody had said I had 40 kittens in my


           17              house, I had two kittens in my house.  I


           18              said, "Come in and look."


           19                      He came in and looked, I had the two


           20              kittens.  I said to him, I remember saying


           21              to him how hard it was, I had to carry water


           22              up to flush my toilet, he said, "I wish you


           23              didn't did tell me that, Paul, we have to


           24              condemn your house," but I got all the


           25              utilities turned back on and he said once






            1              you get the utilities on, the flea problem


            2              done you will be fine, you can move back in.


            3              I never received anything in writing, no due


            4              process.  The only thing was they put a sign


            5              on my door, I went in the hospital, I came


            6              out, I got the money, I could have got


            7              everything turned back on, this was in


            8              October, October, November, December,


            9              January, February, never got a phone call,


           10              never got anything in the mail.  Nothing.


           11              This lady couple came out and put another


           12              thing on my door in February around the 10th


           13              said I had never called her or told her I


           14              said, well, I didn't know you could have


           15              sent me something you could have called me,


           16              I'm in the book.  I said, "You want to


           17              inspect my house, please come in. I will


           18              comply with whatever you want me to do."


           19                      And they said that I had to get an


           20              exterminator.  I called up Terminex, the


           21              biggest ad in the book, they came out, they


           22              found nothing.  I said, "Can you put that in


           23              writing," he said, "Not without a contract."


           24                      I got a different exterminator a


           25              little cheaper than that, but he sprayed, he






            1              checked and found nothing.  So I had


            2              complied.  At that point I felt with


            3              everything they told me to do, the utilities


            4              on, I had the flea problem done.  They came


            5              in and inspected my house, I guess they


            6              thought they were going to find some


            7              violations, here's the best I found.  I did


            8              put some shades on some of the lights in my


            9              hallways, didn't have shades on the bulbs,


           10              well, I could put shades on them.  They said


           11              I did not have enough outlets in my house.


           12              I've been in every house on every block in


           13              the area, I know there's a lot of houses


           14              that are lucky if they have one or two


           15              outlets their bedrooms, I have four in every


           16              room, one on every wall, they said that I


           17              have to have one every eight feet.  They


           18              said I needed another outlet in every room


           19              of my house.  I had no notice, they gave me


           20              two hours to get an electrician.  I got one


           21              to come out.  I said is there anything wrong


           22              with my electrical system because -- he


           23              said, "I can't answer that."


           24                      I said, "Well, you're a certified


           25              electrician."






            1                      "You know, I'm not going to work


            2              here."


            3                      I got another electrician to come


            4              out, he called him, they turned everything


            5              off, turned of my power in the middle of


            6              February, my heat doesn't work without


            7              power.  I had no place to go, I stayed at a


            8              friend's house , just a friend.  Her


            9              daughter came in, saw me on the couch, she


           10              beat her mother unmercifully calling her


           11              filthy names and stuff.  It was a nightmare,


           12              then I go home to my house my pipes were


           13              frozen and I had six feet of water in my


           14              cellar.  Somebody broke into my husband and


           15              stole stuff.  I have a security system that


           16              calls the police, but it doesn't work


           17              without electricity.


           18                      I'm homeless now and I get letters


           19              they're going to tear my house down.  I


           20              don't believe this, I can't believe it.


           21              Please investigate this.  Please come to my


           22              house and see my house.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF:  Mr. Miele, Mrs. Fanucci


           24              will get information from you and we will


           25              look into it.  Thank you.  Dave Bieri.






            1                      MR. BIERI: My name is Dave Bieri, I


            2              live in Keyser Terrace, which is a


            3              development in Keyser Valley.  First I would


            4              like to thank Bill Courtright and Janet


            5              Evans for attending a meeting last Thursday


            6              evening at the Keyser Valley Community


            7              Center with the residents of Keyser Terrace,


            8              Park Edge and the townhomes to listen to our


            9              concerns that we have about the area and how


           10              it's being developed.


           11                      I also like to thank Judy Gatelli


           12              for taking time out of her schedule because


           13              she was unavailable Thursday evening to meet


           14              with a small group of us as well Saturday


           15              morning and listen to our concerns and we


           16              were able to show her as well some of the


           17              concerns that we have about our area.


           18                      If you remember, about six or eight


           19              weeks ago there was a proposal before City


           20              Council to take over the roads in Park Edge


           21              Lane and Jamesway Circle.  Thank goodness a


           22              motion was made and it was tabled and we do


           23              appreciate and that we hope that you


           24              continue to table this motion and I'll go


           25              into further detail in a moment, but one






            1              thing that motion did when you tabled it, it


            2              really brought the neighbors together, we


            3              are talking to each other and we found out


            4              we share the same concerns about what is


            5              going on, so some very positive things came


            6              out of that tabling, it lead to a meeting


            7              last Thursday evening with those residents


            8              of the area to discuss our concerns, and we


            9              are very concerned.


           10                      There are several concerns that we


           11              feel need to be addressed or at least looked


           12              at, some of them were provided to you in a


           13              binder about two or three weeks ago when


           14              there was a caucus in the back, I hope you


           15              had an opportunity to look at those, you


           16              also been given given two additional letters


           17              from our meeting last Thursday evening, one


           18              dated the 27th and one dated 28th.  The


           19              letter dated the 27th lists the long roads,


           20              it says Jamesway and to Norfolk, it's


           21              Jamesway Circle and Park Edge Lane, so what


           22              we would like to see is City Council make a


           23              motion that these roads are not taken over


           24              by the city, number one, the concerns


           25              addressed the concerns by the citizens by






            1              the citizens or the residents of the area is


            2              addressed by the developer; and number two,


            3              until a city engineer and other city


            4              departments, the appropriate departments,


            5              come over and investigate -- or not


            6              investigate but to approve and look at the


            7              work that's being done in the area and the


            8              concerns that we have given to you.  We


            9              don't believe that these requests are


           10              unreasonable.  We do know that there's a --


           11              presently there is no city engineer, but I


           12              know three years ago when I built my house


           13              the city did a bang up job inspecting the


           14              entire way through.  I could not put drywall


           15              over the studs until the electric and the


           16              plumbing was inspected.  The city did a


           17              phenomenal job.  Why isn't the same thing


           18              being done to infrastructure of a


           19              development with the city and if it is do


           20              you have those documents because if you look


           21              at the area and the information we provide


           22              to you there are several concerns that we


           23              have, maybe we're off base, but we would


           24              like them to be looked at.


           25                      So were hoping that our concerns are






            1              addressed and it's approved by the city


            2              engineer and other appropriate city


            3              departments.  We want to make this a win-win


            4              situation, a win for the residents, and a


            5              win for the City of Scranton.  We don't have


            6              a dog in the fight here, we are not choosing


            7              sides, we want to make this a win for the


            8              city and for us as well because we do not


            9              want the city to take over the roads that


           10              there could be a problem with in the very


           11              near future, I don't know that there will,


           12              but unless they're inspected by the


           13              appropriate people, core sample are done,


           14              you will never know.


           15                      Judy had the opportunity to see


           16              plastic grates on the roads that are being


           17              scheduled to be taken over.  I'm not an


           18              engineer, but I do know most sewer grates


           19              are made of metal, not plastic, so that's


           20              one thing we would like you to see.


           21                      And I would like to, I'm sorry Mrs.


           22              Fanucci had to step outside, but I do


           23              understand -- it's very appropriate that she


           24              did step outside, I'm not criticizing her,


           25              but I would like to give everybody my






            1              business card with my home phone number and


            2              my cell phone and we would like to invite


            3              Mr. McGoff and you, Mrs. Fanucci, out this


            4              weekend just to look and listen to our


            5              concerns.  We are a friendly group, Bob, you


            6              know us, you know my wife and myself, we are


            7              a friendly group, you know, hopefully it


            8              won't be as cold as last night with the snow


            9              coming down, but just so you can see


           10              firsthand what our concerns are and


           11              hopefully, you know, you could get the


           12              appropriate city people to look into our


           13              concerns as well.


           14                      We do have another meeting set for


           15              next Thursday evening, I believe, and John


           16              will speak about that in a moment at the


           17              Keyser Valley Community Center to give all


           18              the residents an update on how the progress


           19              was made with the City Council.  Once again,


           20              we're a friendly group of people but we went


           21              to make this a win-win situation, a win for


           22              the residents and win for the City of


           23              Scranton so that you're not stuck taking


           24              over roads that aren't properly done.


           25              Should I just leave these here?






            1                      MR. MCGOFF:  Leave them.


            2                      MR. BIERI: Thank you.  If yo have


            3              any questions I'll answer them.  Okay.


            4              Thank you.


            5                      MR. MCGOFF:  Thank you, Mr. Biere.


            6                      MS. GATELLI: Dave, I had the


            7              pictures developed so I will share them with


            8              Council.


            9                      MR. BIERE: And we have some initial


           10              pictures as well.  Jack will speak to that.


           11                      MR. MCGOFF:  Thank you.  Jack


           12              Powell.


           13                      MR. POWELL: Hello, Jack Powell from


           14              Luzerne Street.  I'd like to thank also


           15              everyone that participated so far in our


           16              endeavor with Keyser Terrace, we still have


           17              a lost issues to be dealt with, however,


           18              when it was just myself dealing with one end


           19              and not knowing that they were dealing with


           20              another we finally got together and we had


           21              between 40 and 50 households at the last


           22              meeting, which is a good sign, we had a lot


           23              of phone calls that people couldn't make it


           24              to keep them informed so hopefully at our


           25              next meeting they will be there.






            1                      And as far as the street and the


            2              runoff and everything was done at that time.


            3              Mr. King didn't come to our meeting, sorry


            4              Mr. McGoff, I understand you're caught in


            5              the middle here.  It ceases to amaze me they


            6              only show up for certain times when things


            7              could be manipulated as I see it.


            8              Hypothetically, I've seen situations where--


            9              I don't agree it's right for people to use


           10              their job or office to manipulate outcomes


           11              of hearings even in a jury trial or to bribe


           12              a juror for the outcome, the benefit of an


           13              individual person.  For things even like


           14              jobs, you know, it's a long walk down that


           15              federal building, you know, and I've seen a


           16              lot people go to prison for a lot less than


           17              what's going on in certain situations.  So,


           18              I think if you go and you're lied to and


           19              such, the result might bite you on the tail,


           20              you know, just a hypothetical situation, it


           21              might be something where somebody might be


           22              wanting to look into it and I save all my


           23              mail and envelopes.


           24                      Okay.  That's about it, but I'd like


           25              to thank everybody.  The pictures are there,






            1              we gave you separate photos.  Mary Alice is


            2              trying to get everybody together as a group


            3              so we are not separated and she has a lot of


            4              the answers.  I think it will benefit


            5              everyone because she has been around through


            6              the system for so long and she has been


            7              through all of our meetings back there and


            8              we had -- the vice president was back there


            9              from the original meetings and during this


           10              process and we also had our secretary with


           11              our minutes but, you know, that's neither


           12              here nor there, but I would like to thank


           13              everyone that's participated so far and


           14              hopefully we could resolve this and nobody


           15              has to go to the federal building.  Thank


           16              you very much.


           17                      MR. MCGOFF:  Thank you Mr. Powell.


           18              Brett McCloe.


           19                      MR. MCCLOE: Good evening.  My name


           20              is Brett McCloe, taxpayer/homeowner.  I just


           21              wanted to ask a few questions in reference


           22              statements I made last week and the week


           23              before and I would like to ask if I can ask


           24              Mrs. Fanucci a few questions so I could get


           25              a better view of exactly what is happening






            1              here in reference to progress in Scranton


            2              and all of Northeastern Pennsylvania.


            3                      Since you hold the chair for


            4              economic development, what is the city doing


            5              to retrain its citizens more than just


            6              opening up schools to do that?  Are there --


            7              what grants are available to this city


            8              government to fill existing jobs that are


            9              already in the classified?


           10                      I mentioned a couple of week ago


           11              about there are a lot of forklift operator


           12              jobs, a lot of LPN and CNA jobs and it seems


           13              that the people don't have the money to go


           14              to school to get that even if they applied


           15              for it.  Does the city have an ability to


           16              get money to fill these jobs and bring


           17              somebody from behind a $7 dollar an hour job


           18              into a $15 an hour a job?


           19                      MS. FANUCCI:  Mr. McCloe, we need to


           20              educate them or whatever --


           21                      MR. MCCLOE: The --


           22                      MS. FANUCCI: To train them for each


           23              position?


           24                      MR. MCCLOE: Yeah, yeah, to retrain


           25              people to get --






            1                      MS. FANUCCI:  I don't believe that


            2              as far as an economic standpoint we have the


            3              capability to do that.  I would think that


            4              would have to be done in other areas, but


            5              I'm not sure that it can be done.


            6                      MR. MCCLOE:  Well, it was just that


            7              in my opinion in order to develop an economy


            8              that income has to rise.  That's how-- I


            9              mean, to put it the sense that people can't


           10              afford use sometimes not all of us can


           11              afford $5 lattes all the time, you know?


           12                      MS. FANUCCI:  I agree, but the state


           13              is the one that mandates all of that, maybe


           14              that is something that we can look into


           15              more.  I don't think it's a bad idea like we


           16              do our business incubators to train people


           17              to go into the business world.


           18                      MR. MCCLOE:  Yeah, I mentioned that


           19              a couple of weeks how you can get 200 CNA's


           20              to become LPN's, how do you get 200 LPN's to


           21              become RN's?  Is there money available for


           22              that?  Instead what I was going to say is


           23              attracting people from outside of


           24              Northeastern Pennsylvania to come and to do


           25              jobs that we can do ourselves, we really






            1              can, and how do you think that you can


            2              mobilize the citizenry as a whole?  What can


            3              you do to lift us up and help us get to


            4              there, get to that point?  You know, there's


            5              a few sayings, you know, you could lead a


            6              horse to water, but you can't make him


            7              drink.  You can't teach an old dog new


            8              tricks and what they don't know won't hurt


            9              them.  This can't be the guided mindset of


           10              any administration of leaders, our business


           11              leaders, if they want to make Scranton and


           12              all of Northeastern Pennsylvania a greater


           13              future for -- greater future, I mean, the


           14              winds of progress are often ahead of people


           15              and it doesn't pull people along, winds of


           16              progress should always be at the back


           17              pushing the citizenry forward.  I said it


           18              before, no one will prosper until we have a


           19              leader, someone that could lead us beyond a


           20              survival of the economically and


           21              educationally fittest mindset that always


           22              plays around here, I mean, I'm sure you


           23              didn't mean to say what you said last week,


           24              Mrs. Gatelli.


           25                      MS. GATELLI: No, I didn't.






            1                      MR. MCCLOE: I'm going leave it


            2              there, but there's a lot of people --


            3                      MS. GATELLI:  Leave it there.


            4                      MR. MCCLOE: All right.


            5                      MS. GATELLI: Leave it where it


            6              belongs, Mr. McCloe.


            7                      MR. MCCLOE: I will, but


            8              unfortunately that kind of mindset plagues


            9              Northeastern Pennsylvania and one of the


           10              things that keeps us down.  I just hope this


           11              kind of thinking doesn't only exist in two


           12              of our presidential candidates because it's


           13              virtual unheard of here at the local level


           14              where it's needed most for us to get past


           15              some of these things, some of these terrible


           16              things, class distinction, education,


           17              differentials.  We won't make it, like I


           18              said last week, we won't make it, so if you


           19              could maybe just help and tell the people


           20              what you need and what does Scranton need.


           21                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr. McCloe.


           22              David Dobson.


           23                      MR. DOBSON: Good evening, Council.


           24              Dave Dobson, resident of Scranton.  Once


           25              again, I feel compelled to come up and ask






            1              for funds for Channel 61, several


            2              resignations have already been tendered


            3              within that organization as many times as we


            4              have seen the problems have arisen in the


            5              past with live broadcasts we must be patient


            6              and tolerant.  All citizens have a right to


            7              be informed of all political activity.  If


            8              61 goes dark many months may expire before


            9              other arrangements could be made.


           10                      Also, I've heard a new proposal


           11              entertainment programs such as food as


           12              opposed to information, that's an


           13              unnecessary luxury.  Instead of a cooking


           14              show, perhaps a show on energy issues


           15              causing rising food prices may be warranted


           16              or that's just an example so the next meal


           17              isn't seen on television.


           18                      Many politicians are posing


           19              agricultural solutions in this area and as


           20              an answer to the energy crisis.  Any


           21              informed person would know that it would


           22              take 70 percent of our food crops to be used


           23              for gasoline.  Anybody with any sense of


           24              reasoning realizes that that could spell a


           25              crises for humanity.  This is just one






            1              example, many more could be cited almost


            2              infinite, but the bottom line is we need a


            3              public access TV, not entertainment, and I


            4              feel removal of Channel 61 is injustice and


            5              hopefully the station won't go dark.  Thank


            6              you and have a good night.


            7                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr. Dobson.


            8              Lee Morgan.


            9                      MR. MORGAN: Good evening, Council


           10              Mr. McGoff, you know, I have to commend you,


           11              you are doing a fairly good job here of


           12              keeping order, as hard as that is to


           13              believe.  You might need a ruler though


           14              sometimes, but I seem to believe you're


           15              doing a halfway decent job up there, well,


           16              better than halfway decent.  The first thing


           17              I have is, you know, out of all the things


           18              that were said tonight I think the most


           19              important thing that was said here all night


           20              was the gentleman that came up here talked


           21              about his house being condemned, and I just


           22              hope that not one of the people on Council


           23              but all five move to protect this man's


           24              property because I think there's something


           25              -- there may be something wrong here.  There






            1              may be a loss of communication somewhere,


            2              something may be amiss, and I really think


            3              that somebody has to help this guy because


            4              evidently he needs help and I hope you


            5              honestly, all five of you, try to help this


            6              man.


            7                      I have questions going back to the


            8              public access channel and the subpoenas and


            9              the rate hike with the Scranton Sewer


           10              Authority that circumvented as far as I'm


           11              concerned Council's authority by increasing


           12              the Sewer Authority rates and I would like


           13              to know, Mr. McGoff, if you have anything


           14              about that at this point ?


           15                      MR. MCGOFF:  Do you want wait until


           16              motions and I can answer, at least the one


           17              on public access.


           18                      MR. MORGAN:  All right, are you


           19              working on the ones for the subpoenas and


           20              for the Scranton Sewer Authority?


           21                      MR. MCGOFF:  The subpoenas I know we


           22              talked about last week, I don't think we


           23              ever got to that during motions and to be


           24              honest, I did not write down the questions


           25              you had about the Sewer Authority.  I will






            1              --


            2                      MS. GATELLI: I have that answer.


            3                      MS. EVANS: Yeah, and I could address


            4              that as well and the subpoenas.


            5                      MR. MCGOFF:  Thank you.  During


            6              motions, would that be appropriate?


            7                      MR. MORGAN:  Yeah, that would be


            8              fine.


            9                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.


           10                      MR. MORGAN: I could watch that on


           11              television unless I stay here, and the other


           12              thing I have is I'm not going to tell people


           13              from the podium here what presidential


           14              candidate they should back, but I'd just


           15              like to say here from the podium that I


           16              agree with what Mr. Casey did today or


           17              yesterday by making a stand and saying who


           18              we supported, I find that to be a sign of


           19              leadership by letting everybody know exactly


           20              where he stands and why he stands there and


           21              I had the same opinion if he backed Hillary


           22              or McCain and I think it's really important


           23              when you're an elected official to be


           24              willing to stand up and say where you stand


           25              on any position at any time no matter what






            1              anyone else thinks, and basically I'll wait


            2              for your answers.  Thank you.


            3                      MR. MCGOFF:  Thank you, Mr. Morgan.


            4              There are no other speakers listed.  Anyone


            5              else that would like to speak?


            6                      MR. JACKOWITZ: Bill Jackowitz, South


            7              Scranton resident, member of the Taxpayers'


            8              Association.  Good evening, Mr. President,


            9              Scranton City Council members.  Rules of


           10              City Council, I've played sports most of my


           11              life, I have been in the military, I've


           12              been, you know, worked for, you know, still


           13              working under rules, as far as I know rules


           14              apply both ways, Mr. President, so if City


           15              Council can speak up to us at any time and


           16              not be told that they're out order, then why


           17              can't the citizens do the same to City


           18              counsel?  It should be an even playing field


           19              here.  The Rules of Council, whatever those


           20              rules are, they apply both ways, they apply


           21              to elected officials plus they apply to the


           22              citizens and they should apply more to the


           23              citizens because we are the ones that pay


           24              your salary.


           25                      But, anyway, I handed out Scranton






            1              Wilkes-Barre metropolitan statistical area


            2              sheets again, and as you can see we're still


            3              at 5.7 unemployment.  We made no progress.


            4              We are still third from the bottom.  A


            5              couple of weeks ago a councilperson said the


            6              whole country is having economic problems, I


            7              agree with that, I pay close attention.  I'm


            8              in the process of doing some research, I'm


            9              going to go back to 1984 and I'm going bring


           10              in all the statistical reports from 1984 to


           11              2008 and I'm going to present them to City


           12              Council and that's going to shoot that


           13              argument right down because we have been


           14              rated at the bottom, at the bottom, since


           15              1984.  I picked 1984 because that's the year


           16              I believe Austin Burke started with the


           17              Chamber of Commerce.  I could go all the way


           18              back to 1930, but I know City Council would


           19              not take the time to read all the statistics


           20              from 1930, so I'm just going to shoot down


           21              it right.  Yeah, the country is in trouble,


           22              we never recovered.  The City of Scranton


           23              never, ever recovered, okay?  It's time for


           24              us to start recovering int 2008.


           25                      Okay, now, we just lost 275 jobs at






            1              J.C. Penny's catalog, plus we just lost


            2              another 22 jobs at Diversified, roughly 297


            3              jobs.  I hope during motions Ms. Fanucci


            4              tells us where we're going to make up those


            5              297 jobs.


            6                      Also, Mr. McGoff, President McGoff.


            7              I'm still waiting for your answer on livable


            8              wages that I asked during the campaign, you


            9              stated that we were going get jobs.  As a


           10              matter of fact, you even stated that there


           11              were 60 jobs or 20 jobs that was going to be


           12              60 dollar an hour jobs, I'm waiting for


           13              them, so maybe during your motions you can


           14              elaborate on those and tell us where those


           15              jobs are, what companies they are, and how


           16              we are going replace those 297 jobs that we


           17              have lost, okay?


           18                      As far as the fire department, yes,


           19              it was a big surprise Mayor Doherty rejected


           20              it, and also Council President McGoff


           21              applauded, applauded the decision.  There


           22              was no decision made.  Everything stays


           23              status quo.  There was no decision made.  As


           24              far as the new Rescue 1 truck and the image


           25              cameras in the fire department, that's a






            1              requirement.  City government is required to


            2              supply our public service people and public


            3              safety people with the equipment they need


            4              to do their job.


            5                      And as far as Mayor Doherty, Ray


            6              Hayes and Dave Schreiber being on the


            7              committee, the only one on that committee


            8              that knows anything about firefighting would


            9              be Dave Schreiber.  Chris Doherty doesn't


           10              know anything about it, Ray Hayes doesn't


           11              know anything about it, so what was there to


           12              applaud?  A tie.  And no one wins in a tie.


           13              That's all it was a tie, nothing more.   As


           14              far as the city controller goes, Roseann


           15              Novembrino, she's an elected official.  If


           16              she sat back and allowed her department to


           17              be gutted and cut that's it her problem.


           18              She should have done something about it.


           19              Now to use that as an excuse and an alibi


           20              for not auditing the Single Tax Office.


           21              Come on.  I was born at night and I did fall


           22              off a truck one time, but it was not last


           23              night and it was not a turnip truck, okay?


           24              Come on, let's get real here, people, you


           25              are all elected officials.  Every single one






            1              of you have been elected by the citizens of


            2              Scranton to represent us, not represent your


            3              family, your friends, get jobs for your


            4              family, get jobs for your friends and sweep


            5              everything under the carpet.  That's not


            6              what you were elected for.  And don't make


            7              faces at me, Mr. McGoff, if you don't


            8              understand what I'm saying then listen


            9              because I'm speaking plain English, so


           10              please do not make faces at me.


           11                      MR. MCGOFF:  Excuse me, I can


           12              respond to what you say.


           13                      MR. JACKOWITZ: You can respond all


           14              you want, you're doing that right now, but


           15              don't make faces.


           16                      MR. MCGOFF:  Why not?


           17                      MR. JACKOWITZ: Because it's not


           18              polite.


           19                      MR. MCGOFF:  That's my response.


           20                      MR. JACKOWITZ: It's not polite.


           21                      MS. FANUCCI: Mr. Jackowitz, I --


           22                      MR. MCGOFF:  Please, his time is up.


           23                      MS. FANUCCI:  All right, just let me


           24              ask him one question, please.


           25                      MR. JACKOWITZ: Sure.






            1                      MS. FANUCCI: You know how you say


            2              that we should not be able to, if I said to


            3              you if you're standing up here and I'm up


            4              here with my mic and I said, "You know, Mr.


            5              Jackowitz, claims every week to be this


            6              wonderful Army whatever it is you graduated


            7              from, but, you know, I think he was


            8              discharged from the Army dishonorably, I


            9              think there has been some problems there,"


           10              not accurate, but would you think that you


           11              that was right?  It has nothing to do with


           12              your job, it has nothing to do with what you


           13              are here for, that is a problem, that's what


           14              I'm trying to stop.  Not what goes on here


           15              at city business, but the problem of what


           16              goes on beyond it, that's what is not


           17              appropriate here.  That has no place in this


           18              building.


           19                      So it is very difficult for any


           20              elected official to sit up here with people


           21              who come up throwing their innuendoes, their


           22              own rumors, their suspicions, whatever they


           23              want to say for one reason, it certainly


           24              isn't to be productive, it certainly isn't


           25              to be a better citizen or to move our city






            1              forward or to help out.  It is for a reason


            2              of it being venomous and getting what they


            3              want in a way that they should get it.  We


            4              all should be productive and work together,


            5              I agree, but I will not sit here and take


            6              people's wrong impressions or how they feel


            7              as truth to every everyone out there who is


            8              watching because that is not fair to myself,


            9              my family or anyone else.  Your opinion can


           10              be your opinion, but I certainly if I'm


           11              going to be -- with my opinion I take


           12              consideration to the stuff that you are here


           13              for a good reason, as am I and everyone else


           14              that sits up here.  You cannot agree and you


           15              can agree, but you don't have to use that


           16              type of anger and, Bill, you and I have no


           17              problem, we've always gotten along very


           18              well, I feel that you're very respectful,


           19              but that doesn't mean everyone else here is


           20              that is a problem and that's something that


           21              I think we are trying to prevent.  That's


           22              all.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF:  Thank you.


           24                      MR. JACKOWITZ: I agree with you,


           25              Mrs. Fanucci, but you can wait until






            1              afterwards to do it you don't need interrupt


            2              the speaker.  That's my opinion and only my


            3              opinion.


            4                      MR. MCGOFF:  Thank you, Mr.


            5              Jackowitz.


            6                      MS. SCHUMACHER: Marie Schumacher,


            7              resident and member of the Taxpayers'


            8              Association.  Section 312 of the Home Rule


            9              Charter reads: The Council may make


           10              investigations into the affairs of the City


           11              and conduct of any department office or


           12              agency in aid of its legislative powers and


           13              functions and may issue subpoenas for these


           14              purposes."


           15                      Now, I don't have a law degree, but


           16              to me that's pretty clear and I think it


           17              gives you the power, Mr. Courtright, to go


           18              ahead with -- use this power and get to the


           19              bottom of the fire department issues.  I


           20              think it's a matter of life and death and I


           21              certainly hope you will.


           22                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Two attorneys told


           23              me -- not you personally wrong, but that is


           24              wrong.  That gives me no rights, maybe Mr.


           25              Minora would explain it to you because he






            1              told me that and maybe another attorney,


            2              maybe you should explain it after th


            3              meeting.


            4                      MS. SCHUMACHER:  Maybe you could


            5              give me the other attorney's name and I will


            6              contact him.  Thank you.  Two weeks ago, Mr.


            7              McGoff, you chastised Doug Miller for


            8              turning and addressing the audience.  Now,


            9              personally that's been stuck in my craw ever


           10              since.  I found that very offensive.


           11              Audience implies an entertainment forum and


           12              we pay, we pay dearly in this city, I will


           13              give that you much, but this is not an


           14              entertainment venue and those of us who sit


           15              on the other side of the aisle and rail


           16              there are participants in the Democratic


           17              process just as much as you are, and I would


           18              like to think it was an oversight, but


           19              certainly there's a better name for the


           20              people on that side of the rail than


           21              audience.


           22                      I would like to go back and ask a


           23              few --reask a few questions that I've been


           24              asking for years and years and years.


           25              Number one, has the city hired an engineer?






            1              I know there was an ad, but I haven't seen


            2              any announcements.  When will the Robinson


            3              Park improvements promised by Mayor Doherty


            4              in his campaign for his first term be


            5              accomplished?  Ditto for the East Scranton


            6              Little League Field, those were also


            7              promised during his first campaign.  When


            8              will the East Elm improvements promised by


            9              Mayor Doherty in his second campaign for his


           10              second term be accomplished?


           11                      When will the finished police


           12              headquarters actually be finished with the


           13              addition of the finishing layer of asphalt


           14              in the parking lot or are we going to wait


           15              until the binder layer cracks and has to be


           16              replaced as well?  Maybe it's a -- maybe it


           17              will improve somebody's bottom line, but


           18              certainly won't be the taxpayer's bottom


           19              line.


           20                      What is the address of the lighted


           21              softball field built to replace the South


           22              Side Sports Complex?  Softball season is


           23              coming, I would like to share that with some


           24              friends of mine if somebody could please


           25              provide that during motions.






            1                      When will this Council finally


            2              request DCED to replace PEL.  How many years


            3              do we have to be distressed under this


            4              Pennsylvania Economy League that's supposed


            5              to be helping us and is apparently asleep or


            6              on vacation in the Bahamas or something, but


            7              they're certainly not helping us.


            8                      As to the Single Tax Office, are the


            9              reports that are required to be prepared by


           10              the Single Tax Office at least monthly now


           11              being received?  Does anybody know that?


           12              Has anybody checked?  There is a law for


           13              single tax and it requires, it doesn't say,


           14              "If somebody asks I will supply that


           15              information," it says required.


           16                      I empathize with the gentleman whose


           17              demolition was threatened as I to had a sour


           18              experience with the LIPS Office.  I was


           19              threatened with demolition of a structure, I


           20              was fortunate, I got a letter and it told me


           21              that it had been years without utility and,


           22              therefore, it would have to be demolished.


           23              Well, I had to pay money to come here with


           24              the receipts to show, I don't remember which


           25              room it was, but I had to come here, pay






            1              money to come here to show that all the


            2              receipts for the utilities.  I also, because


            3              it was an estate issue, I also had the --


            4              I'll finish with this thought, I also had an


            5              appraisal that said the structure was in


            6              wonderful condition.  If I had more time I


            7              would have sued the city I can tell you


            8              that, but something -- that office needs to


            9              be looked into.  Thank you.


           10                      MR. MCGOFF:  Thank you, Mrs.


           11              Schumaker.


           12                      MR. ANCHERANI:  Good evening,


           13              Council.  Nelson Ancherani, resident,


           14              taxpayer, city employee, financial secretary


           15              of the FOP, exercising my First Amendment


           16              Rights and sharing my opinions.  Three you


           17              Council members have a little sole searching


           18              to go do, that is, Ms. Gatelli, Ms. Fanucci


           19              and Mr. McGoff.  You three have voted for a


           20              25 percent tax increase for 2007 when it


           21              wasn't needed.  Mr. McGoff has already


           22              acknowledged that he needs to do more


           23              homework when he goes over the agendas.  I'm


           24              not saying that you knew that there was an


           25              account, and my opinion it was a secret






            1              account at if the Fidelity Bank, an account


            2              that should have had a zero balance.  In


            3              other words, money in, money out.  There is


            4              no way you three could have had known, but


            5              up to this point you three have voted on


            6              controversial issues like you were joined at


            7              the hip.  Rubber stampers?  I believe so.


            8              You three have been put in a very


            9              embarrassing position.  By voting on the


           10              2007 which at that time was a record budget


           11              you voted for a 25 percent increase in the


           12              taxpayer's taxes.  There was an alternative


           13              budget put forth for 2007 by Mrs. Evans that


           14              was ignored by you three.


           15                      To make matters even more


           16              embarrassing, we had state officials in this


           17              room, mainly, Gerald Cross of the


           18              Pennsylvania Economy League and what looked


           19              like he was begging for City Council to okay


           20              a $44 million loan and bail out the city


           21              which was in dire financial straits.  In


           22              fact, if I remember correctly there was a


           23              bank official also here making a pitch for


           24              the $44 million.  I believe Mr. Len


           25              Kresefski was also here.  This was in my






            1              opinion an attempt to make the city look


            2              like we wouldn't survive unless we got that


            3              44 million.  That begging was at the end of


            4              the second year that money was being


            5              deposited in a secret account.  We ended up


            6              having City Council vote on a 10 million


            7              loan and PEL projected two more 25 percent


            8              tax increases, all the while $12 million


            9              plus was accumulating in an account that was


           10              sitting in a Fidelity Bank account and


           11              should have had a zero balance.  It's a lost


           12              egg on a lost of faces, mostly on the faces


           13              of the taxpayers, thousands of taxpayers.


           14                   Where is PEL?  Anybody see PEL?


           15              They're supposed to be the watch dogs.


           16              Where have they been since this was found


           17              out?  They're a sham begging for $44 million


           18              when we have millions in a secret account.


           19              The taxpayers are the victims here.


           20                      Listen to what Stu Renda was quoted


           21              in saying in the Times-Tribune on February


           22              8, '08 written by Stacy Brown, the story IS


           23              "Audit lists city debt as revenue."


           24                      I've been vindicated, I've been


           25              saying about the TANS for how long?  TANS,






            1              tax anticipation notes, excluding tax


            2              anticipation notes, that's what is written


            3              in the budget, but yet it's listed her, 14


            4              and a half million from tax anticipation


            5              notes.  Well, that's nice.


            6                      Here Mr. Renda dispelled notions


            7              that the mayor has borrowed too much money


            8              and should used grant money earmarked for


            9              park and economic development to help offset


           10              debt.  The previous administration simply


           11              refused to pay bills, this is Mr. Renda, and


           12              that was going get us in serious trouble and


           13              cost us more money he said.  We borrowed


           14              because we had to.  Yeah.  We borrowed


           15              because we had to.


           16                      Questions on the $12 million.  Why


           17              is it there, who put it there, how long


           18              would it be there if it wasn't discovered?


           19              Where was the interest going?  At this point


           20              the taxpayers of this county inclusive of


           21              the numerous boroughs, municipalities and


           22              the City of Scranton deserve an answer that


           23              an independent auditor of absent any


           24              conflicts of interest could provide.


           25                      If nothing was done wrong let's get






            1              to the truth out there.  Let's not keep


            2              people guessing.  I just said that the


            3              taxpayers deserve an answer, I'm wrong.  The


            4              taxpayers demand an answer.  Thank you.


            5                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr.


            6              Ancherani.


            7                      MR. SLEDENZSKI: Hi, bill.


            8                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Hi, there, Chris.


            9                      MR. SLEDENZSKI: Up a little, Bill,


           10              up a little bit?


           11                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Yeah, pick it up.


           12                      MR. SLEDENZSKI:  Bill, I got a


           13              question, just to ask you, Billy, Novembrino


           14              pool building, right, there again the


           15              building behind the swimming pool there's


           16              all graffiti on the back of that building


           17              again, Bill, the building behind the


           18              swimming pool, I'll tell you what's going to


           19              happen the kids will break their neck up


           20              there.


           21                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I will ask Mark


           22              Dougher to take a look at it.


           23                      MR. SLEDZENSKI: Okay, thanks, Billy.


           24                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Okay, buddy.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF:  Thank you, Chris.  Any






            1              other speakers?  Fifth order.  Mrs. Evans.


            2                      MS. EVANS:  Good evening, and let's


            3              begin first with some requests made this


            4              evening made by speakers, so let us begin


            5              wit the motion and I'll move on from that


            6              point.


            7                      In response to Mr. Powell and Mr.


            8              Beer's request, I move that the legislation


            9              to accept two streets in the Keyser Valley


           10              area remain off Council's agenda until such


           11              time as all problems have been addressed and


           12              the city engineer and appropriate


           13              departments have signed off specifically


           14              with their approval.


           15                      MS. GATELLI: Second.


           16                      MR. MCGOFF:  I was going to say


           17              before it was even seconded I just want to


           18              comment, at the meeting that we had in


           19              caucus I believe, I know there were a lot of


           20              people talking at once, but the agreement


           21              that I believe that we came to with the


           22              developer and with the people that were


           23              there was that we would not -- we would not


           24              put that back on the agenda until the


           25              problems were addressed by the developer and






            1              it was inspected by the city engineer or the


            2              designated if there's not a city engineer


            3              hired by them that the designated engineer.


            4              I believe that that was agreed to by Mr.


            5              Skantos and by the people from Keyser


            6              Terrace and that was the premise that I was


            7              working on that we were not going to even


            8              consider it until that was actually done, so


            9              I don't know that there's necessarily a need


           10              for a motion to do that.  I thought that we


           11              were in agreement to do that anyhow.


           12                      MS. EVANS:  Well I'm responding to


           13              the group, the requests that was made this


           14              evening.


           15                      MR. MCGOFF: I understand.


           16                      MS. EVANS: Obviously they're looking


           17              for more security from City Council on their


           18              behalf and I believe probably one of their


           19              concerns is that beyond the problems that


           20              exist in the area of the two streets that


           21              have come before City Council in the form of


           22              legislation to be accepted or ordained


           23              they're asking for satisfaction on quite a


           24              number of very significant and serious


           25              issues before we would begin to accept any






            1              of the streets in a piecemeal fashion.


            2                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  On the question, I


            3              believe at the meeting that was their intent


            4              and if, in fact, all the problems aren't


            5              resolved they wouldn't like to see any of


            6              the streets dedicated, it kind of, I don't


            7              know for lack of a better term I'll say kind


            8              of holds the developers feet to the fire to


            9              get out there and do everything.  If Council


           10              agrees not the to dedicate any of the roads


           11              until all of the problems are resolved and I


           12              believe that is the request of the


           13              residents.  I believe that's way heard


           14              anyway.


           15                      MR. MCGOFF:  I'm not -- I don't mean


           16              to argue that point, I was just trying to


           17              say that I thought that at the meeting that


           18              we had in caucus that the agreement had been


           19              that once the problems had been addressed on


           20              those two streets that they were in


           21              agreement that they could be dedicated.


           22                   Again, that may have changed since the


           23              meeting that we had, but that was my


           24              understanding that both the property owners


           25              and the developer were in agreement.






            1                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  I think you're


            2              probably right.  I think that's what


            3              happened, but I think since then so many of


            4              them have come together and more of them


            5              have been made wear of more of the problems.


            6              Some of them just saw pockets of problems in


            7              their immediate area and now that the


            8              neighborhood has come together as I group I


            9              believe Mr. Powell said there is at least 40


           10              people at that meeting.


           11                      MS. EVANS:  Yes.


           12                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  So maybe they've --


           13              I think they've changed their mind.  I think


           14              you're right.


           15                      MS. EVANS:  And the motion was made


           16              and seconded so perhaps be could just move


           17              on and vote on the motion.


           18                      MR. MCGOFF:  Anyone else to speak on


           19              it?  Would you restate your motion, please?


           20                      MS. EVANS:  In response to Mr.


           21              Powell and Mr. Biere's request I move that


           22              the legislation to accept two streets in the


           23              Keyser Valley area remain off Council's


           24              agenda until such time as all problems have


           25              been addressed by the developer and the city






            1              engineer and appropriate departments inspect


            2              and approve the repairs.


            3                      MS. GATELLI:  Second.


            4                      MR. MCGOFF:  All those in favor


            5              signify by saying aye.


            6                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


            7                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


            8                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


            9                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           10                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           11              ayes have it and so moved.


           12                      MS. EVANS:  Thank you.  Someone else


           13              raised the issue of I believe sewer rates


           14              and the previous ability of Council to set


           15              sewer rates in that specifically any type of


           16              rate increase would have come before City


           17              Council for its approval.  This, I believe,


           18              no longer occurs because an agreement was


           19              made between the mayor and the Sewer


           20              Authority regarding the storm water system,


           21              a city asset that was owned by the people of


           22              the City of Scranton which was sold to the


           23              Sewer Authority by the mayor, that agreement


           24              never came before City Council for it's


           25              approval.  Now, in return for that transfer






            1              of the storm water system, the city received


            2              over $7 million, I believe.  I can't say


            3              that an appraisal ever occurred of the storm


            4              water system, I do not know what, indeed,


            5              it's true value would have been, however,


            6              the proceeds from that agreement were used


            7              to pay the judgment rendered against the


            8              city in the case of American Water Services


            9              for a termination of contract and repayment


           10              of a loan to the city that was made in prior


           11              years and because that judgment came in


           12              several months before payment was rendered,


           13              the city was accruing interest and penalties


           14              daily as it allowed those payments to be


           15              ignored.  And so, that court award was paid


           16              in full I believe and as far as I know is a


           17              remainder of two point some million dollars


           18              from that agreement, but that is why City


           19              Council has no input into the increase of


           20              rates levied by the Scranton Sewer


           21              Authority.  Mrs. Gatelli, do you have


           22              anything to add to that ?


           23                      MS. GATELLI:  Well, my understanding


           24              was that the lease agreement that the city


           25              had with the Sewer Authority for an "X"






            1              amount of time period, which is maybe 20 or


            2              30 years, had lapsed.  So that the city was


            3              no longer involved in the Sewer Authority's


            4              rates.  That was the understanding that the


            5              lease was up.


            6                      MS. EVANS:  And I do recall having


            7              heard in years past mention made by the


            8              Sewer Authority of that lease and its


            9              expiration date, however, I feel that does


           10              not excuse the mayor from insisting upon


           11              retaining consideration of the rates by the


           12              city, specifically by City Council, when


           13              negotiating an agreement with the Sewer


           14              Authority for the sale of the storm water


           15              system.


           16                      Now, in terms of the subpoenas that


           17              were alluded to earlier, last year, I


           18              believe last spring, I made a motion to


           19              subpoena all of the information from


           20              departments of city government, financial


           21              information specifically.  That motion


           22              passed.  Because there were Council members


           23              that felt the necessity to make the


           24              subpoenas more streamlined in order to avoid


           25              let's say a tsunami of information, I then






            1              worked with Attorney Minora to streamline


            2              these subpoenas requested and we developed a


            3              plan whereby three departments would be


            4              subpoenaed at a time and I think the first


            5              three departments to be subpoenaed last


            6              spring were OECD, the Scranton Parking


            7              Authority and the legal department.


            8                      Each of those subpoenas were then


            9              placed on Council's agenda for a vote, an


           10              individual vote.  They were not presented as


           11              a package, but rather individually, and when


           12              they were provided for a vote by City


           13              Council those subpoenas were defeated, I


           14              believe, I'm not quite certain, but I


           15              believe on a three to two vote against a


           16              subpoena for the against a Scranton Parking


           17              Authority, against a subpoena for OECD and


           18              against a subpoena for the legal department,


           19              and that ended the issue.  The subpoenas


           20              were not approved and I believe, as I said,


           21              this occurred last spring.  The issue has


           22              not been raised since and I hope that


           23              answers Mr. Morgan's question


           24              satisfactorily.


           25                      Now, much continues to be discussed






            1              and written about the $12.2 million


            2              discovery in a tax office account which


            3              should have had a zero dollar balance.


            4              Here's the bottom line, ladies and


            5              gentlemen, and it's a lengthy one, as I said


            6              two weeks ago, the forensic audit must be


            7              performed by a firm without any connection


            8              financial or otherwise to any local elected


            9              officials, thus, the auditor or firm should


           10              be based outside of this geographical area .


           11                   Second, the three taxing bodies with


           12              the recommendation of the tax office should


           13              jointly select the auditor as they are


           14              absorbing the costs, and it is they who have


           15              been and will be affected by this debacle,


           16              not the D.A., not the new tax collector.


           17                   Third, no one knew about an audible


           18              audit of the Tax Office in 2005, but Grail,


           19              Merkle, McQuinn appeared to conduct an audit


           20              in 2006 according to Mr. McDowell.  How was


           21              the firm selected and who paid them?  It's


           22              been very difficult to find any evidence of


           23              such an issue coming before city council for


           24              a vote.


           25                      Fourth, the city school district and






            1              county should receive monthly comprehensive


            2              reports from the Single Tax Office of


            3              collections and money on hand.  It should


            4              included all requirements described by the


            5              Single Tax Act as well as payment of the


            6              funds collected.  In fact, if the city


            7              wished it seems that it could pursue payment


            8              of $18,000 for late filing fees for a


            9              six-year period during which the former tax


           10              collector chose not to provide the monthly


           11              reports.


           12                      Fifth, Council should receive copies


           13              of the Single Tax Office monthly reports in


           14              addition to the business administrator


           15              and/or the treasurer.  City Council should


           16              also receive reports from the bank as they


           17              are received by the treasurer and/or D.A.'s


           18              office.


           19                      Sixth, procedures must be reinstated


           20              to ensure that the tax office collects all


           21              wage taxes both delinquent and current for


           22              Scranton residents working outside of the


           23              city.


           24                      Seventh, I could say I am becoming


           25              frustrated with the manner in which this






            1              debacle is being handled.  The inspector,


            2              and I'm quoting Dave Burnell, the specter of


            3              something being wrong criminally or


            4              otherwise is not caused by law enforcement


            5              nor is it caused by the city or City


            6              Council.


            7                      However, when a City borrows


            8              millions of dollars annually, increases


            9              taxes by 25 percent and remains distressed


           10              for 15 years while over $12 million sits in


           11              a bank account for several years that only


           12              the bank and a tax collector know about, I


           13              would venture to say that the specter had


           14              years ago enveloped the tax office.


           15                      Now, many individuals in this


           16              debacle seem to be interconnected through


           17              campaign contributions, appointments,


           18              contracts, cronyism, etcetera.  I'm


           19              frustrated because it doesn't appear that


           20              some of those in positions of power have the


           21              fortitude, courage and desire to get to the


           22              bottom of this.  They seem to feel it's


           23              enough to talk the money and run and at best


           24              to take corrective measures to prevent


           25              another such occurrence in the future.






            1                   Today we learn that the only person to


            2              whom Mr. McDowell has spoken besides the


            3              newspaper is Mr. Doherty.  Thus, it appears


            4              that we should be content to receive our tax


            5              money and to heck with how and why $12


            6              million sat in a bank for so long.  Even the


            7              commissioners are undecided. On March 23


            8              Majority Lackawanna County Commissioners


            9              Washo and O'Brien would support the state


           10              stepping in if that means bringing in the


           11              state attorney general that's fine, Mrs.


           12              Shedlock said, on Thursday, March 20.


           13                   Today, Commissioner O'Brien wants to


           14              see where the audit takes us.  "We have to


           15              be very careful not to prejudge an outcome,"


           16              he states.


           17                      And Mr. McGovern says, "I don't


           18              think it's productive to go back and open


           19              that box."


           20                      Well, ladies and gentlemen, I guess


           21              this is a mystery better solved by Sherlock


           22              Holmes and Dr. Watson than the D.A. or the


           23              Attorney General.  Better yet, no answer


           24              necessary.  Not ever.  I hope this is not


           25              where this situation is heading.






            1                      Next, I wish to address the current


            2              status of Channel 61 and 62.  Scranton Today


            3              has continued to operate these pet channels


            4              for the first quarter of 2008, they're


            5              struggling due to the lack of funding as


            6              they continue to keep their commitment to


            7              the viewers to provide coverage of local


            8              government meetings until, of course, by


            9              ECTV.  In order to guarantee that government


           10              meetings remain televised and to provide a


           11              seamless transition from Scranton Today to


           12              ECTV, I move that Scranton City Council


           13              provide $20,000 from the contingency fund in


           14              the 2008 operating budget to Scranton Today.


           15                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  I'll second that,


           16              but on the question -- I second it.  Are we


           17              able, you know, if we all vote in favor are


           18              we able to take that money or do we have to


           19              get the okay from the mayor?


           20                      MS. EVANS: I think we need his okay


           21              as well, but this is quite similar if not


           22              precisely what action we had taken in


           23              December in order to provide Scranton Today


           24              with $13,000 to finish out the year without


           25              the television screen going black.






            1                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I would hope he


            2              would agree to it being that we're willing


            3              to commit so much money to the new company


            4              that's taking over, I think that's fair that


            5              we allow them to continue so that they don't


            6              go black and I'm totally in favor of that.


            7                      MS. EVANS: And I am concerned that


            8              this could take more time than was


            9              originally anticipated in that I believe


           10              that ECTV must appear before the zoning


           11              board for approval to make changes,


           12              renovations to the building they propose to


           13              use and then, of course, those renovations


           14              will have to occur I think before the


           15              station is going to be fully up and running


           16              and so in the meantime to insure that all


           17              government meetings, not just Scranton City


           18              Council, the Lackawanna County


           19              Commissioners' meetings, the Scranton School


           20              Board meetings, the Planning Commission, the


           21              Zoning Board, even the meeting that was


           22              shown recently between the Scranton School


           23              Board and Mr. McGovern, these are all vital


           24              pieces of information for the taxpayers of


           25              the City of Scranton and I simply wish to






            1              ensure that this great privilege and right


            2              that the viewers have enjoyed for these many


            3              years continues, as I said, seemlessly until


            4              such time as ECTV is up and ready to


            5              operate.


            6                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I'm afraid they will


            7              have some glitches when they first take


            8              over, so if Channel 61 or Scranton Today is


            9              still in operation and they do have glitches


           10              there won't be a lapse and I think we saw


           11              that with the tax office.  They started with


           12              the accounting system right with the


           13              computers and they abolished the old system.


           14                      MS. EVANS: Originally I thought it


           15              was supposed to be approximately 30 days


           16              after the agreement was made, but it's now I


           17              think perhaps beyond the 30 days and, as I


           18              said, we're running into a zoning hearing


           19              now and then I would expect that the


           20              renovations that are planned in order to


           21              properly operate their new channel will have


           22              to occur.


           23                      MS. FANUCCI:  All I want to know is


           24              that they do not have plans, if they have


           25              something were they planning on stepping in






            1              at a certain date even if that was not done?


            2              I mean, I would want to know what the plans


            3              are through them.  I have no problem with


            4              doing this, but I want to find out if they


            5              have plans to take over at a certain date


            6              first, that's all, because I don't want to


            7              overlap or step on the toes, they're the


            8              ones who got the contract , I don't want to


            9              -- I mean, if it's supposed to be 30 days


           10              why isn't it 30 days and when can we expect


           11              them to start?  So that's the only question


           12              I have.


           13                      MS. EVANS:  Maybe we could get that


           14              answer.


           15                      MS. FANUCCI:  Yeah, I would like to


           16              find that out.


           17                      MR. MCGOFF:  Are we asking if we can


           18              get an answer to that question before we


           19              vote on any motion?


           20                      MS. FANUCCI:  I would like it.


           21                      MS. GATELLI: I would say, yes.


           22                      MS. FANUCCI:  I don't want to


           23              overlap or do anything with the contract.


           24                      MR. MCGOFF:  Well, a motion has been


           25              made and seconded.






            1                      MS. EVANS:  I can fan --


            2                      MS. FANUCCI:  Don't vote it down.


            3                      MS. EVANS:  I can withdraw the


            4              motion for this evening --


            5                      MS. FANUCCI:  Until next week.


            6              Okay.


            7                      MS. EVANS: And represent it next


            8              week.


            9                      MR. MCGOFF:  Are you --


           10                      MS. EVANS: I have withdrawn the


           11              motion.


           12                      MR. MCGOFF:  Thank you.  I want to


           13              make it clear.


           14                      MS. EVANS:  I also received a


           15              response to a citizen's request from police


           16              Chief Dave Elliott: "I received your letter


           17              regarding parking of illegal cars along with


           18              expired registration and inspections in the


           19              East Mountain area and assigned it to our


           20              highway unit to look into.


           21                      Upon investigation into this


           22              complaint, I found that there were two


           23              abandon vehicles parked on the street in the


           24              East Mountain area.  However, there were


           25              many abandoned vehicles found on private






            1              property.  The Scranton Police Department


            2              has tagged the vehicles abandoned that were


            3              found illegal on the street and a request


            4              will be made to the city inspector's office


            5              to make attempts to have the abandoned


            6              vehicles on private property moved."


            7                      Now, I have this week's request:


            8              South Webster and East Locust Streets,


            9              despite the presence of two stop signs at


           10              this intersection neighbors report numerous


           11              accidents.  In fact, in March 2008 the


           12              latest accident occurred and a victim was


           13              transported to the hospital.  Residents


           14              request the installation of two additional


           15              stop signs at this dangerous intersection.


           16                   There is approximate total of 42 cars


           17              and trucks including a rollback truck which


           18              belonged to Paul's Auto Body Shop parked on


           19              the following streets : The 100 block of


           20              South Cameron, the 2100 block of North


           21              Cameron, and the 24 and 2500 blocks of


           22              Jackson Street.  Residents of the area are


           23              outraged that this business is permitted to


           24              monopolize about 42 parking spaces with


           25              customer's vehicles.  This situation has






            1              persisted for several years despite numerous


            2              contacts to Council members and LIPS.


            3              Address this immediately, and I can attest


            4              to this because prior to the meeting at


            5              Keyser Valley Community Center conducted


            6              last Thursday, I took a tour of the area and


            7              personally witnessed all the vehicles parked


            8              on the streets that I enumerated.


            9                      The 100 block of South Merrifield


           10              Avenue, there are four illegal vehicles


           11              without license plates parked on the street.


           12              Please tag A.S.A.P.  No doubt.  Please fill


           13              potholes in North Washington Avenue across


           14              from St. Claire's convent and school.  Also,


           15              fill potholes only 7th Avenue parallel to


           16              Scranton High School.  There are craters on


           17              both sides of this stretch of 7th Avenue.


           18                   Please provide a written response to


           19              Council's letter of March 14, 2008,


           20              regarding the purchase of an industrial pump


           21              for the Parker Street area, and that's a


           22              second request.  A letter, and this if


           23              Council would consider sending on behalf of


           24              the body, please provide a copy of the


           25              Burkheimer analysis of the city's delinquent






            1              real estate data to City Council.  Also,


            2              provide a copy of the monthly reports of the


            3              Single Tax Office to City Council each


            4              month.  Mrs. Vitali indicated that intends


            5              to provide each taxing body with such


            6              reports.  Is that agreeable to Council?


            7              Thank you.


            8                      Next, why did the cost of the


            9              Lackawanna Avenue bridge project increase to


           10              approximately $7 million?


           11                      And, finally, please fill a large


           12              significantly deep pothole in the 200 block


           13              of Franklin Avenue near the Forum Garage,


           14              and that's it.


           15                      MR. MCGOFF:  Thank you.  Mrs.


           16              Gatelli.


           17                      MS. GATELLI:  First, I'd like to


           18              announce again the play at West Scranton


           19              High School.  We have one of our Junior


           20              Council members that's in the play, Casie


           21              Bales, and it will be April 18, 19 and 20,


           22              Friday at 7 to 7 and Sunday at 2:00, Charlie


           23              and the Chocolate Factory.


           24                      We received a letter from Gary


           25              Peliccaci, the acting executive director of






            1              the Housing Authority because people had


            2              questions about Washington West Apartments.


            3              They are advertising for interior and


            4              exterior renovations.  They are scheduled to


            5              begin within three months and will take


            6              approximately 300 days to complete.  It is


            7              the SHA's intent to continue to provide


            8              housing at the site.


            9                      The next thing I want to do is


           10              something that Bill does sometimes, he talks


           11              about an employee and commends them and I'd


           12              like to commend Jeff Gilroy, for those of


           13              you that saw it in the paper last Sunday, he


           14              was the one that found William Nash who was


           15              threatening the police and the chief and all


           16              of the police department, and had an arsenal


           17              of artillery in his house and I would just


           18              like to commend Jeff, he used to be our


           19              resource officer.


           20                      I'd like to say that there are


           21              several bars in South Side we're having a


           22              problem with and I would just like to not


           23              mention their names at the present time, but


           24              let the neighbors know that the District


           25              Attorney, the police and the Liquor Control






            1              Enforcement Office are all working on these


            2              bars, nuisance bars, they haven't gone away.


            3              We closed the one in and we have three more,


            4              so we are alert to what is going on there, a


            5              warning to the bars to watch what you're


            6              doing because the neighbors are watching you


            7              and they're not going put up with it.  We


            8              got rid of one and we will get rid of a lot


            9              more, so just so the neighbors know that


           10              everybody is on board with their


           11              investigations.


           12                      I was going to talk about Keyser


           13              Terrace, but we already talked about that.


           14              I did go up there and see some of the


           15              complaints that the neighbors had.


           16                      As far as Paul's Auto that Mrs.


           17              Evans talked about, I did complain about


           18              that several times.  Michael Wallace got rid


           19              of them on several occasions and I myself


           20              called Paul myself at his place of business


           21              and told him to remove the vehicles,


           22              apparently he doesn't stick to his word and


           23              I'm glad that she's sending a letter.  It


           24              has been a problem for many, many years.


           25                      MS. EVANS: Yes, even Mrs. Gatelli--






            1              sorry to interrupt, but even before you took


            2              your seat on Council residents of Keyser


            3              Valley had forwarded that to me, I toured it


            4              at that time and was amazed, and all of the


            5              information was forwarded and very little


            6              was done.


            7                      MS. GATELLI: He stopped for a


            8              little.


            9                      MS. EVANS: Right, and then it pick


           10              us up more vehemently than even before it


           11              had been.


           12                      MS. GATELLI:  It's a shame because


           13              it's a residential neighborhood and we had


           14              one on Burke Street, I think we made a


           15              motion at some point about the car places


           16              that are in neighborhoods to keep their cars


           17              off the streets because I know there was the


           18              one on Burke Street, too, that I was


           19              concerned about.  I think if we look back


           20              there is a motion somewhere to the zoning


           21              officer to, you know, look into these


           22              allegations, not allegations it's the truth.


           23                   The cones that are in the street, I


           24              have three applications, apparently the city


           25              has to sign them and when I talked to the






            1              woman at PennDOT she said it was okay if I


            2              sign them so I just wanted my colleagues to


            3              know that I will be signing the agreements


            4              to get those cones.  So far St. Joe's Church


            5              in Minooka, West Scranton High School and


            6              Robert Morris School had requested them so I


            7              will be filling the applications out for


            8              those crosswalks.


            9                      The Sewer Authority, Mrs. Evans


           10              talked about that, my understanding was that


           11              the lease agreement was us up, maybe Mr.


           12              Minora if you could contact the solicitor at


           13              the Sewer Authority and make sure that that


           14              lease agreement is up and that was the


           15              reason why because it just keeps coming up


           16              here.


           17                      I don't have a very good memory,


           18              it's short, but if would you check that out


           19              and we can maybe put that to rest.


           20                      Mr. McCloe talked about job


           21              training, I know that we give money, OECD


           22              money to EOTC, and they are a job training


           23              center, that is one group I know, and also


           24              the Chamber of Commerce has a program, and


           25              they also have one that is especially for






            1              medical degrees.  When he talks about


            2              nurse's aids becoming LPN's becoming RN's I


            3              know that being an RN that there is a lot of


            4              money for people that want to become


            5              registered nurses, there is drastic shortage


            6              in Pennsylvania and across the whole country


            7              and any nursing school you should call they


            8              will pay your loans, the hospitals and


            9              facilities will pay your loans off if you


           10              become a nurse and work in their facility,


           11              so there is a lot money for the medical


           12              profession.


           13                      I'd just like to comment about some


           14              of the speakers that come and they continue


           15              every week to talk about raising taxes and,


           16              yes, I did vote to raise taxes, the taxes in


           17              the city were raised I believe two times in


           18              17 years and I find it peculiar that are


           19              there are other taxing bodies that raise


           20              them every year and I don't see any of the


           21              people that come here at those meetings and


           22              I just wonder to myself why do they come


           23              here when we raised them once?  Once.  I


           24              raised them once since I'm sitting here and


           25              they don't go where other people are raising






            1              them, I just haven't been able to figure


            2              that out.


            3                      Also, sometimes the speakers when


            4              they come here they come with an


            5              abrasiveness to their voice and I do


            6              apologize for my behavior last week, but


            7              when you talk about my family it really


            8              bothers me and I think any one of you if you


            9              were sitting up here if someone talked about


           10              your family you would feel the same way and


           11              especially when the allegations are false.


           12              People are watching this program and they


           13              don't realize that a lot of statements that


           14              people make at that podium are false.  So


           15              sometimes we have to say that, yes, that's


           16              not true what you're saying, many of them


           17              come here and say they're property owners,


           18              they don't own homes.  I look them up in the


           19              Assessor's Office, they don't own the home,


           20              but they'll stand there and say they're a


           21              homeowner.  They'll stand there and say


           22              they're a taxpayer, but they don't work so


           23              they're not paying any taxes and they don't


           24              own any property.  So a lot of times the


           25              speakers are not telling the truth.  So I






            1              would just like the public to know that.


            2              Sometimes the statements that are made here


            3              are false.


            4                      And, also, City Council is open to


            5              anyone to run and, you know, I would


            6              encourage anyone who thinks that they can do


            7              a good job to run for office, run and have a


            8              say in what your government is doing.  I


            9              worked in the neighborhoods for 27 years as


           10              a volunteer.  I knew what was going on in


           11              South Side, I knew the pulse beat of my


           12              neighborhood and I thought I could make a


           13              difference when I came here and I think


           14              there is a difference in my neighborhood and


           15              the next neighborhood we're going attack is


           16              West Scranton.  We're going to do, you know,


           17              a renaissance project over there next, the


           18              mayor is starting with demolition of certain


           19              structures that we have been working on, so,


           20              you know, it is a neighborhood thing.  I am


           21              committed to the neighborhoods, I am living


           22              here my whole life, not all people have


           23              lived in Scranton their whole life.  So, I'm


           24              trying my best.  I don't always make the


           25              right decision, I don't claim to know it






            1              all, but I'm trying to do what I think is


            2              right.


            3                      And as far as the police and


            4              firemen, I fought for the police and firemen


            5              before anything else.  I fought for my


            6              firehouse on Pittston Avenue and Gibbons


            7              Street.  I have a petition home with 10,000


            8              names on it that Mayor Connors and I, he


            9              wasn't the mayor at the time, but we went


           10              around and got 10,000 names with the


           11              neighbors on it in that petition.  So, yes,


           12              I have supported the firemen and I resent


           13              that they say that sometimes that I don't


           14              support the firemen, of course, I support


           15              the firemen and they're union brothers.  I'm


           16              a union member, so besides knowing them all


           17              my life and fighting for my firehouse and


           18              other neighborhood's firehouses I'm also a


           19              union member.  So I know what they're


           20              talking about and I respect their wishes and


           21              their needs.  So, I resent those comments


           22              sometimes when they're said from the podium.


           23                      I dedicated my whole life to the


           24              City of Scranton and I will continue to do


           25              so and I'll continue to vote the way I feel






            1              for my neighborhood and my city.  Thank you.


            2                      MR. MCGOFF:  Thank you, Mrs.


            3              Gatelli.  Mrs. Fanucci.


            4                      MS. FANUCCI:  I wanted to address


            5              comments by Mr. McCloe which Judy already


            6              talked about Johnson College and the


            7              partnership with the Chamber and the program


            8              that they have.  A lot of times people come


            9              to the podium and they have great ideas, but


           10              a lot of times they are already going on in


           11              the city.  The good thing is about bringing


           12              these forward this program they have trouble


           13              filling it, they have trouble people coming


           14              in and taking advantage of this program so


           15              maybe this will bring it into light and they


           16              will have more people attending this program


           17              so that is a good thing that can come out of


           18              this.


           19                      I did speak to the gentleman whose


           20              house was condemned outside and I did put a


           21              call into Mr. Seitzinger who is willing to


           22              help him as early as he can, tomorrow


           23              morning and got on the phone with him and


           24              actually felt the same way we did which was,


           25              you know, awful.  These are the problems of






            1              the city, these are what we need to take


            2              care of and these are the people we need to


            3              take care of.  That situation obviously hit


            4              every one of us hard.  I mean, to be without


            5              utilities in the middle of winter and this


            6              is something we can all do and then some of


            7              us have related, you know, too often to it,


            8              so I'm glad and I want to thank Mr.


            9              Seitzinger for helping and making sure that


           10              that problem is taken care of and addressed


           11              properly.


           12                      I want to talk about also the tax


           13              rates.  Yeah, it seems to be an issue that


           14              comes up week after week after week.  Yes, I


           15              raised the taxes.  I raised the taxes


           16              because everything else in our lives are


           17              going up, our property, our value,


           18              everything else that we have around us, our


           19              food, to keep the lights on in the building,


           20              it's not any different than at your houses.


           21              Health care is ridiculously high as you know


           22              as you pay it at home.  These are


           23              situations, these are tough decisions we


           24              have to make.  Certainly if I knew there was


           25              16 million dollars or 12 million dollars






            1              somewhere that could have helped us out it


            2              will might have made a major impact on


            3              decision.  Unfortunately, I didn't have a


            4              crystal ball to know that.  Whether or not


            5              we even know what we are going to get that


            6              money for if that money is ours to begin


            7              with.  I do know that half of that money


            8              still would not cover what our health care


            9              costs have gone up so that is a problem.


           10                   Unfortunately we still have to pay


           11              bills in this city just like do at home and


           12              it is not easy.  I certainly don't want to


           13              see more people to the podium who can't


           14              afford their electricity and their heat


           15              because that is the major problem right now


           16              everyone is facing.


           17                      We had Mr. Jackowitz about showing


           18              us the economy, well, let's see the programs


           19              that have been cut from, you know, the


           20              United States down the programs are not


           21              available any more and what these -- our


           22              cities other cities are working with which


           23              is not quite what it used to be.  We are


           24              doing the best we can with what we have,


           25              unfortunately, at this time as everyone else






            1              is at home we are making decisions to make


            2              it okay for today and hopefully for tomorrow


            3              and take the best care of the people we


            4              have.  I don't regret raising the tax


            5              because I would regret, you know, being


            6              deficient on loans and I would regret having


            7              to fire employees, and I would regret


            8              decisions that make other people's lives


            9              more difficult.


           10                      I'm happy that we can do what we can


           11              and hopefully --I'd also like to talk about


           12              today that we are raising 11 million dollars


           13              again, which I was astounded to find out, I


           14              didn't know I was raising the taxes again,


           15              but these are things that, you know, you


           16              find out here so I guess that's a good


           17              thing.


           18                      I also want to address the rubber


           19              stamper.  You know, it's funny to me about


           20              being the rubber stamper and you know you


           21              can only vote yes or no so, you know, yeah,


           22              when you're together you're yes, but then


           23              when you're no, you're no.  So, I mean, it's


           24              so funny to me.  You know, years ago there


           25              was a whole different majority and it was,






            1              yes, for them, that's what happens.  I am


            2              here because I believe in where we are going


            3              and I believe in where we are.  I am very


            4              aggressive in how I believe about the city.


            5              I love where I live.  I don't get up here


            6              every week and say how much I hate it and


            7              talk about the doom and I'm not a naysayer.


            8              Am I realistic?  Absolutely.  Do we need


            9              more jobs?  Yes.  Today, you know, this is


           10              legislation that's on today he's going to


           11              bring 60 employees, well, they started off


           12              with 18 so to end up with 60 to give them a


           13              loan which is not really a gift, it's still


           14              a loan just like you go to the bank, to


           15              create more employees is a really good


           16              thing.  Economic development is not bad.  Do


           17              we want bigger jobs?  We actually just got a


           18              company, to answer Mr. Jackowitz, we got a


           19              company recently who are bringing jobs that


           20              are up in the $80,000 pay.  When people come


           21              into this company they started with people


           22              from their own area, they bring them in.


           23              That doesn't mean that they're not hiring


           24              people from our area, they're not


           25              transporting and saying I'm going to move to






            1              Scranton and stay there, they're hiring our


            2              people.  This is what it's about.  Is it


            3              fool proof?  I don't think so because you


            4              don't know what businesses are coming in and


            5              how they're going to succeed and that's the


            6              consumers, the consumer's decision not the


            7              city's decision, but for people to come up


            8              and bash new companies and say that we're


            9              not creating new jobs and saying they're not


           10              seeing the development it is not how I feel.


           11              It is not what I see and sometimes it's a


           12              benefit for people not to see it, also,


           13              because remember there has to be something


           14              to come here with week after week after


           15              week, so actually the point is proven that


           16              they might actually just maybe see something


           17              a different way it doesn't matter because


           18              next week there's got to be a new issue, so


           19              remember that, it is not all what is


           20              portrayed here.


           21                      And, yes, I haven't been giggling in


           22              a while if you notice because I really am


           23              more appalled than giggling, but I believe


           24              in what we are doing and I am going to


           25              continue what we are doing and I will rubber






            1              stamp if I feel it is good and I will say,


            2              no, if I feel it's bad and I think that's


            3              why you put me here in the first place and


            4              that's all.


            5                      MR. MCGOFF:  Thank you, Mrs.


            6              Fanucci.  Mr. Courtright.


            7                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Yes, I had quite a


            8              few neighbors from the Clearview Street area


            9              that were concerned about a house that they


           10              said was in deplorable condition there.  I


           11              spoke to Mark Seitzinger, he believes it's


           12              one of the house that are on the list to be


           13              torn down this summer, and if not he said he


           14              would get it on the list so you will have


           15              some relief hopefully in the near future on


           16              Clearview Street.


           17                      Mr. Spindler brought up about Mr.


           18              Donahue, I flagged him down, he was driving


           19              down Main Avenue and I waived him over and I


           20              wanted to make I had the story straight, I


           21              believe the reason he did not want to, I


           22              call it the railroad station down there,


           23              near the bridge, he didn't want to do it is


           24              because that's going to be a major project


           25              replace that bridge, and I don't think he






            1              felt it would have been conducive to


            2              business to, as I said, there was some large


            3              chains that were interested in bringing the


            4              restaurant into there, more than one.  I


            5              don't think he is going to have any trouble


            6              renting it out, but I don't believe they


            7              felt that if the construction of this bridge


            8              was going on while the restaurant was open


            9              it just wouldn't be conducive to the


           10              business.  He wants to start his


           11              construction so that he building is finished


           12              approximately the same time the bridge is


           13              done, so I think that's his plan there.


           14                      And there's some rumors about what


           15              was going to happen or not going happen with


           16              the Southern Union Building and I asked him


           17              about that and he said that is full speed


           18              ahead, there's been no glitches.  He is


           19              buying it and it's going to be rented out,


           20              and I'll say this again, I'm glad it's


           21              somebody local that bought the building.


           22              One other thing, Kay, I'm going to need some


           23              help with I guess we would ask, I don't know


           24              who really we're going to ask, I guess we'd


           25              ask Jeff Brazil.  There has been concerns,






            1              many schools, but one in particular and I


            2              just started wit this school, the Whittier


            3              School about the traffic up there, so I've


            4              dealt with at least 3 to 4 police officers,


            5              I went there with them and we looked at the


            6              best way of doing it.  First, we looked at


            7              making Hampton Street one-way heading west


            8              and making Eynon Street one-way heading east


            9              and there is people from Hampton Street that


           10              had concerns, they came to me personally


           11              with their concerns.  Then there was


           12              concerns about if you made Eynon Street


           13              one-way heading east that the trucks that go


           14              into Gerrity's, which are tractor-trailers


           15              to unload, would have to go through the


           16              neighborhood, around turns, they wouldn't be


           17              not able to make the turns because of the


           18              cars, there was just a whole lot of


           19              problems, so between Glenn Thomas, Jeff


           20              Mackey and Tommy Lee what they came up with,


           21              and I think it's a good idea, is to leave


           22              Hampton Street alone, we would make Eynon


           23              Street one-way, which is one-way until you


           24              get to Main Avenue heading west, it would


           25              continue to be one-way heading west and






            1              hopefully it would make it a little safer in


            2              that area.


            3                      Now, Kay did some research for me


            4              and we looked up the fact that every time we


            5              turn a street one-way, you know, it has to


            6              come before Council then it has to go to the


            7              police department, but we need an engineer


            8              to do the study.  We can't just do it, so I


            9              don't know who would be -- if Mr. Brazil


           10              would know who we would contact, somebody


           11              has to do it, because if we're putting up


           12              stop signs, according to what Mr. Parker had


           13              told me in the past that he said we couldn't


           14              even put up a stop sign without a study


           15              being done, so I've seen stop signs go up so


           16              somebody must be doing the study so if he


           17              can tell me who he we need to contact and at


           18              that time I'll make a motion that we do that


           19              recommendation with the one-way street.


           20                      MS. EVANS: Mr. Courtright, just to


           21              interrupt you for a minute because I think


           22              it also ties into a speaker's question


           23              tonight concerning the city engineer, as I


           24              was perusing some of the material this


           25              evening I saw the memo stating that bids had






            1              been opened I believe in February, it might


            2              have been February 21 perhaps for the


            3              position of city engineer to be filled by a


            4              firm, of course, rather than an individual,


            5              and directing I believe Mr. Brazil to make a


            6              decision on that.  That's as far as I can


            7              trace this, but again, based on our meeting


            8              with Mr. King and the residents of the


            9              Keyser Valley area, it doesn't appear that


           10              we have a city engineer as of yet.  I don't


           11              know why not unless all those bids were


           12              unacceptable as well and they're going to


           13              rebid it for the third time?


           14                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I'm just guessing


           15              that somebody must be making the decisions


           16              now, I'm seeing stop signs and I'm seeing


           17              things getting done and Mr. Parker he tried


           18              to educate me many times on stop signs when


           19              he first said to me stop sign isn't to stop


           20              traffic, it's to continue the flow of


           21              traffic.  When I try to explain that to


           22              people they just look at me, what do you


           23              mean stop traffic?  When they put a stop


           24              sign it's to continue the flow of traffic on


           25              the other street and finally got that set in






            1              my mind, but I know he always told me you


            2              cannot put a stop sign up without doing a


            3              study, so I've seen stop signs going up in


            4              the city since Mr. Parker has been gone, so


            5              somebody must be doing these studies and I


            6              guess we'll start with Mr. Brazil and ask


            7              him to do these studies and if he doesn't


            8              know then maybe Mr. Hayes might know.


            9                      MS. EVANS: Or Mr. Luciani.  Oh, he's


           10              gone, too?  When did he leave?


           11                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  But any --


           12                      MR. MCGOFF:  I will inquire tomorrow


           13              as to the status of the city engineer and


           14              what is happening with the bids.


           15                      MR. COURTRIGHT: But I would just


           16              like when we find out who it is I'd like to


           17              get somebody to take a look at this quickly


           18              so we could get this done before school is


           19              out, and if that's successful then I know


           20              there is other schools that people want to


           21              have done because, you know, nowadays, not


           22              everybody, but many people are driving their


           23              children to school and school busses and


           24              there is just so much congestion there and


           25              we have had accidents with children and just






            1              trying to avoid anybody getting hurt, so as


            2              soon as we can get that study done I would


            3              like to see that done, and that's all I


            4              have.  Thank you.


            5                      MR. MCGOFF:  Thank you, Mr.


            6              Courtright.  In response to a couple of


            7              things, first of all, I hope that people


            8              will support the basketball game scheduled


            9              for Friday night and a worthy adventure and


           10              Doug Miller has worked very hard to put this


           11              together and it may be interesting to see


           12              the police and firemen play against one


           13              another if for no other reason than the


           14              entertainment value of it.


           15                      Mr. Ancherani, are you playing?


           16                      MR. ANCHERANI: I wish I could.


           17                      MR. MCGOFF:  But please try and


           18              support the game that evening.  In response


           19              to questions about First Amendment rights,


           20              the Rules of Council do apply, they do not


           21              supercede anything, they simply are the


           22              rules of Council and by law are the way in


           23              which Council will operate.  It has been


           24              supported through court cases and other


           25              things.  What we do is not any violation of






            1              any First Amendment rights or any of the


            2              rules of Council that we have do not violate


            3              any First Amendment rights and to think that


            4              when people make comments about you or to


            5              you as a member of Council, especially if


            6              they are somewhat improper or assuming


            7              something that you did or said I think it is


            8              incumbent upon the people on Council to


            9              respond.  It's not a violation of the rules,


           10              if the speaker is going to make a comment to


           11              or about the member of Council they should


           12              expect that there will be some type of


           13              response.  That response may be verbal, the


           14              response may be physical, and to Mr.


           15              Jackowitz, yes, I do believe I have a right


           16              to if you say something about me or to me


           17              that I may, in fact, make a face.  I may, in


           18              fact, respond in some way.  I don't think


           19              that that's an unacceptable or rude


           20              behavior, just the same as you would respond


           21              if I said something about you and I do


           22              listen to what you say, I've been listening


           23              to you for many years going back to our high


           24              school days and I don't believe that at any


           25              time during those many years I have had any






            1              difficulty in understanding what you say.


            2                      There were requests and I'm going to


            3              ask Mrs. Garvey to --I believe I already


            4              have asked Mrs. Garvey to send letters to


            5              the mayor requesting that will Mark Dougher


            6              from Parks and Recreation come before


            7              Council to speak about the recreation


            8              program.  The proper procedure is to send a


            9              letter through the mayor and once the


           10              mayor's approval is given then to request


           11              his, Mr. Dougher's presence before Council,


           12              and the same will be done for the people at


           13              OECD either Ms. Aebli or representatives of


           14              OECD a letter will be sent to the mayor


           15              requesting their appearance at caucus for


           16              Council to listen to them.


           17                      A couple of things that came up and


           18              I just wanted to make mention of, somebody


           19              was talking about energy crises or energy


           20              costs and so on, I just want to make mention


           21              that I received something in the mail from


           22              the Lifelong Learning Institute at Marywood


           23              that there's a presentation on April 7 being


           24              given by someone on consumer use of solar


           25              power.  It does cost to attend, I forget, I






            1              think it was a $35 cost so I don't know if


            2              people would want to go, but it is there and


            3              it's April 7 at Marywood, I think it's the


            4              Sport's Center from one to three o'clock, a


            5              presentation on consumer use of solar power


            6              and how it may be used.


            7                      Also, someone brought up EOTC, I


            8              believe they are having an opening of their


            9              new facility on 9th Avenue if I'm not


           10              mistaken, and Mrs. Gatelli tells me that


           11              that is scheduled for Friday morning at


           12              8:00.  The EOTC does a great job in a number


           13              of ways and we have supported them with


           14              funds and I hope that we will continue to do


           15              so.  They did a great job in training in new


           16              number of ways.


           17                       I did meet with the district


           18              attorney, representatives from the county,


           19              representatives from the school district,


           20              representatives from the Single Tax Office


           21              the other day and the result of the meeting


           22              was that all of the bodies were in agreement


           23              that they wanted to pursue the course that


           24              was being taken and that was that the Single


           25              Tax Office who discovered the monies that






            1              were there would continue to proceed with an


            2              audit, that audit -- the persons conducting


            3              the audit would be put out to bid, that no


            4              auditors, no accounting firms that had any


            5              relationship to the city, the county or the


            6              school district in any way, either financial


            7              or personal would be considered.  It was the


            8              general consensus that with those parameters


            9              that it would probably be an outside,


           10              someone outside the region to conduct the


           11              audit, and the district attorney said that


           12              he was willing to allow that to take place


           13              and be kept informed of what was going on


           14              with the audit and that once that audit was


           15              completed and hopefully a determination of


           16              how this money came to be in these accounts,


           17              unnoticed in the accounts, at that time


           18              would determine whether if any further


           19              action was necessary.


           20                      I will say that I was chastised by a


           21              number of people that we were presumptuous


           22              in asking for an investigation prior to the


           23              audit being conducted, but they did say that


           24              the audit would be continued and we left the


           25              meeting with that agreement that he would






            1              pursue an acting firm to conduct an


            2              independent forensic audit, and I believe


            3              that is all.  Thank you.


            4                      MS. GATELLI: Mr. McGoff, I know my


            5              turn went by but can I say one more thing


            6              that I forgot?


            7                      MR. MCGOFF:  I forgot something as


            8              well.


            9                      MS. GATELLI:  Mine is my co-worker's


           10              mom is very sick in intensive care and I


           11              wanted everyone to pray for her, her name is


           12              Kay Martinelli, Arnold Martinelli's wife, so


           13              if you can please pray for her recovery.


           14              Thank you.  And, also, you know I hate


           15              saying names of certain people because


           16              there's a lot of people sick and there's a


           17              lot of people that have died in our


           18              community, and when I used to watch Council


           19              when I wasn't up here I used to say, now,


           20              why are they saying that about that person,


           21              there's a lot of people sick and here I'm


           22              doing the same thing, so besides that


           23              particular one we should pray for all of


           24              sick people in our community and all of the


           25              people that have died.  Thank you.  Thanks,






            1              Mr. McGoff.


            2                      MR. MCGOFF:  And I'm sorry I did


            3              forget an answer to Mr. Morgan concerning


            4              the public access television, I have a copy


            5              of the original contract and it does


            6              indicate that additional public access


            7              channels would be added, but there is a


            8              caveat and it says subject to significant


            9              use of any previously designated picked


           10              channels by peg entities within the city,


           11              and then it further defines significant use


           12              as a minimum average of eight hours per day


           13              or an average of 70 hours per week,


           14              whichever is less.  At the present time, and


           15              I was in contact with people from Comcast


           16              and their response was that at the present


           17              time that those hours are at some times met,


           18              and that a second channel was added even


           19              though it was questionable as to whether it


           20              significant use as they define it was


           21              applicable to original channel and so the


           22              number of public access channels that are in


           23              operation, 61 and 62, are the requisite


           24              number according to the contract that is in


           25              effect, so no additional channels are I






            1              won't say required, but are necessitated by


            2              the use of the prior two.  I don't know that


            3              that answers Mr. Morgan's question, if he


            4              has any other -- if I need clarify that for


            5              him I will, and that is all I have.  Thank


            6              you.


            7                      MS. GARVEY:  Fifth order.  5-B.  FOR


            8              INTRODUCTION - A RESOLUTION - AUTHORIZING


            9              THE MAYOR AND OTHER APPROPRIATE CITY




           11              INTO A LOAN AGREEMENT AND MAKE A LOAN FROM




           13              PROGRAM, PROJECT NO. 07-150.15 IN AN AMOUNT


           14              NOT TO EXCEED $250,000.00 TO MTM REAL ESTATE


           15              COMPANY, LLC TO ASSIST AN ELIGIBLE PROJECT.


           16                      MR. MCGOFF:  At this time I'll


           17              entertain a motion that Item 5-B be


           18              introduced into it's proper committee.


           19                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Second.


           20                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?


           21                      MS. FANUCCI: On the question, next


           22              week I will give a full presentation on this


           23              legislation so everyone is aware of exactly


           24              what it is.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF: Anyone else?  All those






            1              in favor of introduction signify by saying


            2              aye.


            3                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


            4                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


            5                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


            6                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


            7                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


            8              ayes have it and so moved.


            9                      MS. GARVEY: SIXTH ORDER.  NO


           10              BUSINESS AT THIS TIME.  SEVENTH ORDER.  NO


           11              BUSINESS AT THIS TIME.


           12                      MR. MCGOFF:  I'd ask for a motion to


           13              adjourn.


           14                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  So moved.


           15                      MR. MCGOFF:  Thank you very much for


           16              your participation.


























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            4        I hereby certify that the proceedings and


            5   evidence are contained fully and accurately in the


            6   notes of testimony taken by me at the hearing of the


            7   above-captioned matter and that the foregoing is a true


            8   and correct transcript of the same to the best of my


            9   ability.







                                    CATHENE S. NARDOZZI

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