1              SCRANTON CITY COUNCIL MEETING








            5                          HELD:




            7                  Tuesday, March 25, 2008




            9                        LOCATION:


           10                    Council Chambers


           11                 Scranton City Hall


           12              340 North Washington Avenue


           13                Scranton, Pennsylvania





















                            CATHENE S. NARDOZZI- COURT REPORTER






















                MS. JANET E. EVANS



            9   MS. SHERRY FANUCCI



                MR. WILLIAM COURTRIGHT



           12   MS. KAY GARVEY, CITY CLERK






           15   MR. AMIL MINORA, SOLICITOR


























            1   (Pledge of Allegiance recited and moment of reflection


            2   observed.)


            3                      MR. MCGOFF: Roll call, please.


            4                      MS. MAGNOTTA:  Mrs. Evans.


            5                      MS. EVANS:  Yes.


            6                      MS. MAGNOTTA:  Mrs. Gatelli.


            7                      MS. GATELLI.  Yes.


            8                      MS. MAGNOTTA: Ms. Fanucci.


            9                      MS. FANUCCI:  Yes.


           10                      MS. MAGNOTTA: Mr. Courtright.


           11                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Yes.


           12                      MS. MAGNOTTA:  Mr. McGoff.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes.  Dispense with the


           14              reading of the minutes.  Any announcements


           15              that people may have?


           16                      MS. EVANS: Yes.  The Special


           17              Olympics cocktail party is scheduled for


           18              April 11, 2008, at Holy Rosary Center on


           19              West Market Street from 7:00 until


           20              10:00 p.m.  Again, that's the Special


           21              Olympics cocktail party which is sponsored


           22              by the Scranton School District.  It's a


           23              very worthy cause, and I hope you will try


           24              to attend.  Also, Saints Peter and Paul


           25              Parish at 1309 West Locust Street is






            1              sponsoring a craft fair on April 12, 2008,


            2              from 9:00 a.m. to 3 p.m. in the church hall.


            3              Interested vendors may call 343-8872 to


            4              reserve tables.  Refreshments will also be


            5              able.  That's it.


            6                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.  Anyone else?


            7                      MS. GARVEY: THIRD ORDER.  3-A.




            9              MEETING HELD ON FEBRUARY 27, 2008.


           10                      MR. MCGOFF: Are there any comments?


           11              If not, received and filed.


           12                      MS. GARVEY: 3-B. MINUTES OF THE


           13              NON-UNIFORM MUNICIPAL.  PENSION BOARD


           14              MEETING HELD ON FEBRUARY 27, 2008.


           15                      MR. MCGOFF: Are there any comments?


           16              If not, received and filed.


           17                      MS. GARVEY: 3-C. AGENDA FOR THE




           19              TO BE HELD ON MARCH 26, 2008.


           20                      MR. MCGOFF: Are there any comments?


           21              If not, received and filed.


           22                      MS. GARVEY: That's it for third


           23              order.


           24                      MR. MCGOFF: Fourth order.  Citizens


           25              participation.  Doug Miller.






            1                      MR. MILLER:  Good evening, Council.


            2              Doug Miller, President of the Scranton


            3              Junior City Council.  The Scranton Junior


            4              Council has organized a charity basketball


            5              game between the Scranton Police Department


            6              and the Scranton Fire Department scheduled


            7              for Friday April 4, at Scranton High School


            8              beginning at 7:00 p.m.  Admission is $3 and


            9              all proceeds will benefit a police and


           10              firefighters' memorial.  We encourage


           11              residents all across the city to come out


           12              and support our great public servicemen and


           13              woman and the junior council is also


           14              accepting donations towards this project.


           15              Cash or check is acceptable and donations


           16              can be sent to 340 North Washington Avenue,


           17              Scranton, PA., 18503.


           18                      Over the weekend I was pleased to


           19              hear that the Southern Union building was


           20              sold.  This state of the art facility has


           21              been empty for far too long and I would like


           22              to commend Mr. Jerry Donahue for making this


           23              investment.  I understand that this is a KOZ


           24              property, however, if we continue to


           25              encourage businesses to move into our






            1              downtown and we make our city attractive


            2              businesses will stay.  Many criticize the


            3              downtown weekly.  What the critics don't


            4              understand is that in order to have a strong


            5              city you must have a prosperous downtown.  I


            6              believe we are doing just that.  When you


            7              drive down the 500 block of Lackawanna


            8              Avenue you will soon see new sidewalks,


            9              street lighting and shops.


           10                      The Rosado Group is moving their


           11              corporate headquarters to our downtown and a


           12              new parking garage will soon appear in our


           13              downtown and this year the Lackawanna Bridge


           14              Project will begin.  These are just a few


           15              examples of why we are making significant


           16              projects in our downtown.  Development in


           17              our downtown will continue as long as we


           18              believe in ourselves and our city.  We must


           19              invest in our city today so that our


           20              generation has a bright future.  Thank you.


           21                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr. Miller.


           22              Jack Powell.


           23                      MR. POWELL:  Hello, Jack Powell,


           24              Luzerne Street.  I told you last week that


           25              made arrangements for the 27th of this






            1              month, which is Thursday, for a meeting at


            2              7:00 at the Keyser Valley Community Center


            3              in regards to Keyser Terrace.  It just seems


            4              kind of funny, Tuesday we announced it and


            5              Friday we were notified by Mr. Skantos, he


            6              wants his meeting same time, same day which


            7              I don't understand at all.  I think not only


            8              trying to make a fool out of us, he is


            9              making a fool out of you.  I mean, we showed


           10              up for caucus, he wasn't coming, he shows


           11              up.


           12                      Now, we make the arrangements for


           13              ours and all of sudden he wants his meeting


           14              the same time, the same day.  Mary Alice has


           15              notified him today that it can't happen.  We


           16              invited him to our meeting.  He said he


           17              wants to limit his only to ten.  Ours is


           18              open to anybody.  It's in regards to water


           19              runoff, if you have a problem with the


           20              roads, the development of the six units in


           21              the corner, the buffer zones, ours is open


           22              for everything.  So, he is more than


           23              welcome, but why he did it the same time and


           24              it was done four days after we announced


           25              ours and stuff it's just kind of a joke I






            1              thought, you know.  I mean, everything


            2              that's going on in this, Mr. King telling us


            3              that they weren't building the buildings, we


            4              don't show up for the planning meeting and


            5              they get it passed.  It's just nonsense


            6              what's going on.  I mean, people are telling


            7              us one thing, they are getting things passed


            8              and we have no input because we are being


            9              lied to.  I mean, I see circumstances in the


           10              paper today where people lie to different


           11              commissions and stuff and they are getting


           12              indicted.  I mean, they are telling me to go


           13              get a lawyer.  Maybe I should, it should be


           14              prosecuted.


           15                      You know, when you take a job and


           16              you are telling people about different


           17              commissions and stuff, what's the proper way


           18              to do things, I mean, you have to be held


           19              accountable.  I mean, you just can't tell


           20              people that this isn't right and it's not


           21              going to go through, people have to remember


           22              that was R-1, R-1 and he came to us to get


           23              it changed so that he could do different


           24              things.  We agreed to those things.  Those


           25              things.






            1                      Now, they changed a different part


            2              of the zoning from what I understand now and


            3              he is saying he can do whatever he wants,


            4              but when they brought -- he told us he


            5              didn't make those statements I was thrilled


            6              when Mary Alice walked in with the minutes


            7              for those meetings.  He did say those


            8              things.  He said them.  He didn't say a


            9              word.  We are just here to tell the people


           10              of Keyser Valley come to the meeting,


           11              express your concerns and to tell the people


           12              that did the planning commission and did the


           13              other things that there is responsibility


           14              here.  There is responsibility.  You can't


           15              tell people that this isn't going to happen


           16              and show up at a meeting and pass it, and


           17              when you tell -- when we told them that he


           18              had told me that and he says, he didn't have


           19              the plans, well, when I corrected him he


           20              says, oh, those plans were from before and


           21              they were changed.  He knew what was going


           22              on.  He knew specifically what we were


           23              talking about and it just went through.


           24              Accountability.  That's what's coming down


           25              here and, like said, the 27th, 7:00, which






            1              is Thursday, everybody is welcome, maybe we


            2              can straighten this mess out.  Thank you


            3              very much.


            4                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr. Powell.


            5              Jim Stucker.


            6                      MR. STUCKER: Jim Stucker.  I live on


            7              Market Street, 219, we have a lot of


            8              problems on that hill again on Market


            9              Street, the cops said they can't do nothing


           10              about it.  The state owns it, the state owns


           11              the highway and Market Street.  I talked to


           12              Jack, the big guy, he lives and plows and


           13              stuff and he plowed and he said that they


           14              own Market Street, the state does, so they


           15              told me to talk to Courtright about getting


           16              signs put up and signs that says "No


           17              Parking" on that hill, no parking back on


           18              that hill again.  You got to do something


           19              about it.


           20                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Jim, parking is


           21              tight up there, all right, and there is NO


           22              "No parking" signs there on that street.


           23                      MR. STUCKER: No.


           24                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  They are allowed to


           25              park there.






            1                      MR. STUCKER: No, on the top of the


            2              hill, no, where they come down from the


            3              laundry mat.


            4                      MR. COURTRIGHT: You are saying there


            5              is "No Parking" signs there?


            6                      MR. STUCKER:  No.


            7                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Right, there isn't


            8              any because they are allowed to park there.


            9                      MR. STUCKER:  Not on top of the


           10              hill.  The cops were there the other night.


           11                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I don't know how to


           12              explain this.


           13                      MR. STUCKER: I was there the other


           14              night.  I was there again tonight.


           15                      MR. COURTRIGHT: All right.


           16                      MR. STUCKER: When I see the cops


           17              pull a guy away.


           18                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I'll ask them again.


           19              I have sent them there several times, Jim.


           20              I'll ask them again.


           21                      MR. STUCKER:  And the drains again


           22              are getting filled up with dirt and ashes


           23              and leaves and I'm not going to do nothing


           24              about it, you know.  And where the bar is,


           25              Murphy's Bar, well, down in there's a hole






            1              there, down in the yard, it's all full of


            2              bottles and cans.  Okay, I heard on TV about


            3              Mayor Doherty got that money from the -- I


            4              don't know, from the taxes or something


            5              like, why couldn't he pay me half of that


            6              money he got, that's what I want to know.


            7              Why?  Why can't he pay me half that money,


            8              give me like 50 out of it that money he has


            9              got.


           10                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I don't know, Jim.


           11              You want $50 bucks from him?


           12                      MR. STUCKER: Yeah.


           13                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I think maybe we are


           14              going to take a collection and give you that


           15              $50 bucks.


           16                      MR. STUCKER: I wouldn't care.


           17                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I know you wouldn't.


           18                      MR. STUCKER: And there is a guy out


           19              there sweeping the streets.  He is -- I


           20              don't know his name, he has been sleeping in


           21              Providence Square a lot, putting ashes and


           22              putting the dirt from the snow up on making


           23              potholes.  We got to get -- we got the big


           24              sweepers why they can't come out and do it


           25              where there is no cars around on Market






            1              Street, all over the whole city.


            2                      MR. COURTRIGHT: They will be out,


            3              Jim.  The weather is breaking now, they will


            4              be out.


            5                      MR. STUCKER: And we have like guys


            6              afraid they're going to get hit by a car.


            7              He has just got handicapped -- well,


            8              disabled, what did you call it -- I can't


            9              think of the name of it, paralyzed, he was


           10              paralyzed on one side and is out there with


           11              a broom sweeping.  I'm afraid he will get


           12              hit by a car.


           13                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Tell him to be


           14              careful.


           15                      MR. STUCKER: Yeah.  Okay.  We got


           16              rid of that guy, I'm glad we did.  I'm glad


           17              we did get rid of the guy next to Murphy's


           18              Bar, I'm happy we got him out of there.  So,


           19              I feel good now.  All right.  You have any


           20              work, Courtright or McGoff?  Do you have any


           21              work at all?


           22                      MR. COURTRIGHT: For you -- you have


           23              any work for him?


           24                      MR. STUCKER: Anything.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF: I don't have a job






            1              myself so --


            2                      MR. STUCKER: I don't care anything,


            3              I don't care what, McGoff, I don't care.


            4              Something.


            5                      MR. COURTRIGHT: All right.


            6                      MR. STUCKER: My buddy Pat and my


            7              buddy Tom is watching for me, okay?


            8                      MR. COURTRIGHT: All right.


            9                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you very much.


           10              Jim.  Bill Jackowitz.


           11                      MR. JACKOWITZ: Good evening


           12              Mr. President, Scranton City Council, Bill


           13              Jackowitz, South Scranton resident, member


           14              of the Taxpayers' Association.  I feel that


           15              President McGoff's scenario last week did


           16              not have any merit whatsoever.  The


           17              firefighters' attorney has absolutely


           18              nothing to do with the public safety of the


           19              residents of Scranton.  The fire chief has


           20              everything to do with the public safety of


           21              residents and firefighters.  Ninety-three


           22              percent of the firefighters voted no


           23              confidence on the fire chief.  This is a


           24              serious situation that should be resolved


           25              not turned into a political football.






            1                      All that Councilman Courtright was


            2              asking for was that a letter be sent to


            3              Mayor Doherty and Dave Schrieber, the


            4              president of the firefighters' union,


            5              requesting that a qualified outside agency


            6              look into the alleged allegations of the


            7              firefighters.  Certain council members


            8              expanded on this simple request turning the


            9              matter into a political football, when in


           10              reality it is a public safety issue.  This


           11              actually proves to me that certain elected


           12              officials do not have the best interest of


           13              the citizens in mind.  It took two weeks


           14              just to have a letter sent, a simple


           15              request.  All five council members have a


           16              stake in this matter, not just Councilman


           17              Courtright.


           18                      Also, last week President McGoff


           19              accused Councilwoman Evans and Councilman


           20              Courtright of playing politics.  If anyone


           21              is playing politics I would have to say it's


           22              President McGoff.  All this because of a


           23              letter requesting an outside agency to look


           24              into the allegations.  If only the


           25              stenographer was present at both meetings,






            1              Chief Davis' and the firefighters, politics


            2              suck.


            3                      I would like to offer my own


            4              scenario, for one 24-hour period of time I


            5              would like to see the elected officials of


            6              Scranton and appointees provide fire


            7              protection to the residents of Scranton,


            8              possibly then they would have a better


            9              understanding how important firefighters are


           10              to a city.  Rescue 1, Chris Doherty, Robert


           11              McGoff, Jr., Eugene Hickey.  Take a few


           12              seconds to imagine you are involved in an


           13              automobile crash, you are entrapped in your


           14              vehicle, Rescue 1 arrives on the scene.


           15              Chris Doherty and Robert McGoff, Jr., are


           16              going to extract you from your automobile


           17              using the jaws of life.


           18                      Engine two, Judy Gatelli, Mark


           19              Seitzinger.  Engine four, Lisa Moran, Ray


           20              Hayes, Dick Goldburg.  Engine seven, Jeff


           21              Brazil, Mark Dougher.  Engine eight,


           22              Roseanne Novembrino, Ken McDowell.  Engine


           23              nine, Stacy Brown, Austin Burke, Attorney


           24              Farrell.  Engine ten, Sherry Nealon Fanucci,


           25              Stu Renda.  Engine 15, Leonard Krushefski,






            1              Sara Hailstone.  Shift commander, Tom Davis.


            2                      I would strongly recommend that all


            3              citizens and residents of Scranton attend


            4              their chosen place of worship during this


            5              24-hour period of time.  Take a few seconds


            6              and imagine this high-priced firefighters'


            7              crew arriving at your emergency.  Myself, I


            8              would prefer that the professional


            9              firefighters of Scranton arrive at my


           10              emergency.  Pay them, listen to them and


           11              make the right decision, whatever that


           12              decision is.  I do not know Chief Davis, I


           13              have never worked for the fire department or


           14              the City of Scranton.  I have no close


           15              friends on the fire department.  Until


           16              recently I only knew two firefighters, but


           17              what I do know is that the firefighters have


           18              voted 93 percent to 7 percent that they have


           19              no confidence in Chief Davis.  This vote


           20              shows it must be taken seriously.  Again, I


           21              say this is not a personnel matter it is a


           22              public safety matter.


           23                      If the allegations are false they


           24              will show that.  If the allegations are true


           25              then it will also show that and corrective






            1              measures will be taken.  Continue denial and


            2              coverups will only worsen the situation and


            3              lead to more trouble.  Just remember that


            4              the safety of the firefighters and the


            5              citizens could be in jeopardy.


            6                      It far exceeds friendship or


            7              politics.  Bring in a qualified outside


            8              agency to inquire into these alleged


            9              allegations.  You would not call a plumber


           10              to repair your electrical problem, would


           11              you?


           12                      Last week Councilwoman Fanucci


           13              attempted to put Councilwoman Evans on the


           14              spot when she accused Councilwoman Evans of


           15              holding meetings with the firefighters.  My


           16              belief is that all five council members


           17              should be holdings meetings with the


           18              firefighters and Chief Davis, working


           19              together to resolve this issue as quickly as


           20              it can be resolved.  This is not a political


           21              issue, it is a public safety issue.


           22              Remember, no fire apparatus has been


           23              purchased during Mayor Doherty's, Ray Hayes


           24              and Chief Davis' tenure in office.  Some


           25              equipment has become worn, old and not






            1              serviceable.  Last week council president


            2              McGoff objected to the word investigate.  If


            3              a child comes home with an "F" on their


            4              report card you investigate as to why, you


            5              make an inquiry.  If your checking account


            6              comes up with $12,262,392.39, you


            7              investigate, you make an inquiry as to why


            8              you have an extra $12 million.


            9                      We all have family, friends and


           10              acquaintances, but not all of us swear an


           11              oath of office to uphold the constitution of


           12              the United States and serve the people who


           13              elected you.  This entails additional


           14              responsibility.  You as Scranton City


           15              Council members represent all of us.  When


           16              you raise taxes or pass legislation it


           17              affects every citizen in Scranton.  Not just


           18              the voters who voted for you or call your


           19              name.  Grow up and act not like an


           20              adolescent.


           21                      MR. MCGOFF: Andy Sbaraglia.


           22                      MR. SBARAGLIA: Andy Sbaraglia,


           23              citizen of Scranton.  Fellow Scrantonians,


           24              I'm going to read some little notes that I


           25              have cut out of the Scranton Times.  They






            1              are good for something.  Public notices are


            2              very good, I wish more people would read


            3              them.  It's the a sad thing that the Sewer


            4              Authority has moved up to Dunmore.  For


            5              what, I don't know.  It is the Scranton


            6              Sewer Authority, I know Dunmore is a part of


            7              it, but now they have moved up to Dunmore


            8              for their meetings and I don't know,


            9              "Scranton Sewer Authority has changed the


           10              start time for it's caucus and regularly


           11              scheduled board meeting for the remainder


           12              the year March 25, 2008.  The board caucus


           13              will now begin at 4:30," naturally, so


           14              people can't get there, "and the monthly


           15              meeting will be begin at 6:00 p.m. at the


           16              Dunmore Borough building at Blakely Street


           17              in Dunmore."


           18                      Something is wrong with, of course,


           19              city hall here because they got cameras.


           20              Apparently, our Sewer Authority has become


           21              camera shy.  What they are trying to hide, I


           22              don't know, if anything, but certainly the


           23              coverage would be much better if they held


           24              their meetings here and it's televised.  I


           25              mean, how many people is going to go up to






            1              Dunmore?  I don't even know if that place is


            2              big enough to hold a lot of people, but I


            3              guess that's the way it goes, the less


            4              people know the better off it is.


            5                      They are having another little thing


            6              that I cut out, too.  "The following


            7              hearing: Industrial treatment been issued by


            8              the Sewer Authority of Scranton seeking


            9              noncompliance with 2007."


           10                      Otherwise they are dumping stuff


           11              into the sewer system they shouldn't be, and


           12              the poor ratepayers have to pay to get it


           13              out, which isn't quite right, Sequoia is


           14              that place where they got that patent on


           15              that silver into the material and they do


           16              have a patent.  The other is a JMC


           17              Manufacturing Limited Incorporated.


           18                      Now, this is why they probably are


           19              moving away from the cameras.  God knows how


           20              many people are dumping stuff into our sewer


           21              systems that is not supposed to be here and


           22              it's sad that the people realize we got a


           23              huge rate increase or we are going to get


           24              another huge right increase and probably a


           25              heck of a lot more rate increases because






            1              they are not really running this thing as


            2              they should.  I mean, there should be a


            3              penalty implied in these companies.  When


            4              somebody dumps something in we are fined.


            5                   If we don't something into the river


            6              and we are not suppose to dump it in we get


            7              fined.  Why they are not fined, I don't


            8              know, but I will probably look into and find


            9              out what fines were imposed on them or what


           10              they have done to help clean up the problem,


           11              but it's-- you got to look at everything.


           12              You realize that when the mayor made this


           13              Sewer Authority autonomous you know how many


           14              millions of dollars we have on the books for


           15              actually the citizens of the Scranton?


           16              Everything before he passed this new bill


           17              went onto the citizens of the Scranton, not


           18              Dunmore, because they are up to max.  They


           19              would have to go through a log of rigamarole


           20              to get judges and so forth so they could


           21              approve whatever they were borrowing, so


           22              they borrowed in good faith of the citizens


           23              of Scranton, not the ratepayers, but the


           24              citizens of Scranton which if you look at it


           25              in one way or the another they are the






            1              ratepayers, so are the people of Dunmore,


            2              but if something should ever happen the


            3              citizens of Scranton would have to makeup


            4              the difference, not the people of Dunmore,


            5              they would get away hands free because


            6              everything was borrowed in our name and not


            7              theirs.


            8                      And it's hard to say, you know,


            9              there is so many things happening from that


           10              $12.2 million fiasco down there at the


           11              office for the taxes and, of course, there


           12              is only one person that should be held


           13              responsible and that's, of course,


           14              McDonald -- McDowell, I should say.  He was


           15              the man in charge, the buck stops at the


           16              top, so in the investigation or something


           17              should be actually pointed toward him


           18              because he was there and I heard many, many


           19              people say, of course, I can't say for true,


           20              but that it was run pretty shoddy down there


           21              and I guess it was because no where in that


           22              we could have that one -- well, okay.  Thank


           23              you.


           24                      MS. EVANS: Mr. Sbaraglia, before you


           25              leave I just wanted you to know that the






            1              Sewer Authority has conducted it's meetings


            2              in the Dunmore Borough building for many


            3              years.  I remember attending them prior to


            4              taking my seat originally on council.  I


            5              have been to meetings in the Borough


            6              building since then and probably most


            7              recently was the last time that the


            8              residents of the city experienced flooding


            9              and I went to their caucus meeting to


           10              request that the sewer rates be adjusted for


           11              flood victims and, again, that meeting was


           12              being conducted at the Dunmore Borough


           13              building.


           14                      Now, I know that they from time to


           15              time also held meetings in city council


           16              chambers because I remember attending one of


           17              those meetings when a discussion was held as


           18              to whether American Water Services would be


           19              retained or operations would be returned to


           20              the Sewer Authority, but I just wanted you


           21              to know that this isn't something new, it's


           22              been ongoing.


           23                      MR. SBARAGLIA: And I attended the


           24              meetings at Dunmore, too, and also here.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you,






            1              Mr. Sbaraglia.  Tank you, Mr. Sbaraglia.


            2              Les Spindler.


            3                      MR. SPINDLER:  Les Spindler, city


            4              resident.  Mr. Jackowitz stole a lot of my


            5              thunder, but I'm going to read what I have


            6              anyway.  Mr. McGoff, last week you said


            7              political opponents should recuse themselves


            8              voting about Chief Davis.  Well, you of all


            9              people shouldn't accuse other people of


           10              being political when you sit up there week


           11              after week and do whatever Chris Doherty


           12              wants you to do, that's being political.


           13              This is not a political issue, it's a public


           14              safety issue, and you don't seem to give a


           15              damn about what happens to our firefighters.


           16              If we loss another firefighter I don't think


           17              you'd care, you just want poor Chief Davis


           18              and not have anything happen to him, and I


           19              asked you last week to abstain from voting.


           20              At least when Mr. Pocius was on council and


           21              something came up with CECCO Associates, his


           22              employer, he would abstain from voting, he


           23              was man enough to do that.  When are you


           24              going to get some backbone to do what's good


           25              for the city and not for Chris Doherty?






            1                      Moving on, Mrs. Fanucci, last week


            2              when Mr. Patilla came to the podium you were


            3              getting up and down up, up and down, looking


            4              at Mrs. Gatelli, I thought I was watching to


            5              tell the truth.


            6                      MS. FANUCCI:  Actually, I just got


            7              up.  I just got up and left.


            8                      MR. SPINDLER: And Mr. Patilla -- you


            9              accused Mr. Patilla of only speaking to


           10              Mr. Courtright and Mrs. Evans, you are


           11              wrong.  He comes to the podium and says


           12              hello to Mr. Courtright and Mrs. Evans --


           13                      MS. FANUCCI: That tells me --


           14                      MR. SPINDLER: -- he doesn't just


           15              speak to them.


           16                      MS. FANUCCI:  He doesn't address my


           17              name.


           18                      MR. SPINDLER: You are an elected


           19              official -- let me talk me, please.  You're


           20              an elected officials, it's your duty to sit


           21              there and listen to everybody no matter if


           22              like them or don't like them and,


           23              Mr. McGoff, I think it's your duty as


           24              council president to make sure nobody walks


           25              outside on speakers and just stands outside






            1              the door.


            2                      The next thing, about the


            3              $12 million, there is going to be an audit


            4              of the tax office, we don't need a audit, we


            5              need an investigation by the FBI because


            6              somebody broke the law and somebody has to


            7              pay for that.  You just don't find 12


            8              million dollars in a bank.


            9                      Mrs. Evans, last week I mentioned


           10              about the Lackawanna Avenue bridge and you


           11              said you had some information, did you bring


           12              that?


           13                      MS. EVANS: Yes.  Yes, I did, Mr.


           14              Spindler.  I don't know that it's going to


           15              be of any great help, I do remember in 2006,


           16              just to backtrack a little bit, there was an


           17              announcement, it might have come from the


           18              governor, but that federal, state and city


           19              funding would be used on the Lackawanna


           20              Avenue bridge and the states portion was 200


           21              and some thousand dollars and, of course,


           22              the city's portion will be smallest now.


           23                   Now, the latest information we


           24              received, and I would be very happy to give


           25              this to you, concerns permit applications






            1              for the bridge to begin work, so if you


            2              would like to have it this I'm very happy to


            3              give it to you.


            4                      MR. SPINDLER: Okay.  Thank you.


            5              When it was announced the Rosado Group was


            6              moving in the city that made front page of


            7              the Doherty Newsletter.  When it was


            8              announced that Scranton Fordgery was being


            9              charged with a crime it was hidden on the


           10              fifth page.  Just shows more about the


           11              politics of this city.  And, lastly, I see


           12              the Southern Union was bought and the person


           13              that bought it says it's going to be filled


           14              by this summer.  That's the same person that


           15              said the building that he owns on Lackawanna


           16              Avenue was supposed to be a restaurant, was


           17              supposed to be completed by 2003, so anybody


           18              that believes that that building will be


           19              filled by the end of the summer is -- watch


           20              closely, you will see pigs fly.  Thank you.


           21                      MR. MCGOFF: Mrs. Franus.


           22                      MS. FRANUS:  Fay Franus.


           23              Mrs. Gatelli, I would like to ask you a


           24              couple of questions, please.  When you were


           25              president of council do you feel -- or even






            1              now, do you feel it's an obligation of the


            2              council president to know the Rules of the


            3              Home Rule Charter?


            4                      MS. GATELLI:  I always keep the Home


            5              Rule Charter in a binder, but I don't know


            6              them by heart.  I'm going to be honest with


            7              you, I don't know them by heart.


            8                      MS. FRANUS:  Don't you think, I


            9              mean, don't you think it behooves you or


           10              something for the people so you would know


           11              and all council members, don't you feel that


           12              you should all know all of the rules of the


           13              Home Rule Charter, even if you have to take


           14              time to study it.


           15                      MS. GATELLI: I think you should be


           16              familiar with it, yes.


           17                      MS. FRANUS:  Not familiar, know


           18              every bit of it.


           19                      MS. GATELLI: Well, I don't know that


           20              you could know every section.


           21                      MS. FRANUS: Well, it's not that big.


           22                      MS. GATELLI: -- A, B, C and D by


           23              heart.


           24                      MS. FRANUS:  The reason I say that


           25              is because there are certain things in the






            1              Home Rule Charter that affect people in the


            2              City of Scranton.  For example, it states in


            3              the Home Rule Charter that the Scranton


            4              Sewer Authority was supposed to have come


            5              before council before they had a raise and


            6              you, as president, didn't see to it that


            7              that was done.  So, maybe it's because you


            8              didn't realize, but still because of that--


            9                      MS. GATELLI:  I believe that the


           10              lease agreement was up with the Sewer


           11              Authority and that's why they didn't come


           12              here.  I did consult with Attorney Minora at


           13              the time about it.


           14                      MS. FRANUS: That means nothing.


           15              Nothing against you, but that means nothing.


           16                      MS. GATELLI: Well, I know it means,


           17              of course, it means nothing.


           18                      MS. FRANUS: No, it doesn't because


           19              Mr. Minora has said many things that weren't


           20              true so we can't believe what he says is the


           21              law even though he is an attorney that means


           22              nothing.


           23                      MS. GATELLI:  I'll have him


           24              investigate if you think that they should


           25              have come here, but --






            1                      MS. FRANUS:  Yes, and would you


            2              please find this out for me?


            3                      MS. GATELLI:  I certainly will.


            4                      MS. FRANUS:  Now, this is also a


            5              rumor, this is a rumor, but I would just


            6              like to know, Mrs. Gatelli, if this possibly


            7              true, because rumors sometimes are true when


            8              it comes to fruition -- is it true that you


            9              supposedly don't want Gene Barrett to be


           10              head of the Sewer Authority --


           11                      MS. GATELLI: And my son-in-law is


           12              going to get the job?


           13                      MS. FRANUS: No.


           14                      MS. GATELLI: Is that what you're


           15              referring to?  No, it's not true.


           16                      MS. FANUCCI: That was the discussion


           17              at Scanlon's, wasn't it?


           18                      MS. GATELLI: Sherry and I talked


           19              about that at Scanlon's --


           20                      MR. MCGOFF: Let Mrs. Franus --


           21                      MS. FRANUS:  I didn't say that.


           22              What did you say, Patsy McGoff?  I did not


           23              say your son-in-law.  She spoke before --


           24                      MS. GATELLI:  That what was on your


           25              website that you all talk to.






            1                      MS. FRANUS: It's not my website.


            2                      MR. MCGOFF: Please, Mrs. Gatelli -


            3                      MS. GATELLI: No, it's not.  I have


            4              no authority to fire anyone from the Sewer


            5              Authority, Mrs. Franus.


            6                      MS. FRANUS:  I didn't say you had


            7              authority to fire anyone.  I said you would


            8              like to --


            9                      MS. GATELLI: No, it's not true.


           10                      MS. FRANUS: I didn't finish my


           11              sentence, Mrs. Gatelli.


           12                      MS. GATELLI:  No, because I resent


           13              you talking like that.


           14                      MR. MCGOFF: Please --


           15                      MS. FRANUS: I didn't -- the


           16              question--


           17                      MR. MCGOFF:  Please.


           18                      MS. FRANUS: No, Mr. McGoff.  I want


           19              to say something.


           20                      MR. MCGOFF: Please.  Please.


           21                      MS. GATELLI: We don't even have to


           22              answer your questions.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF: Please.


           24                      MS. FRANUS:  Let me finish my


           25              sentence.  I was going to say, do you want






            1              to replace Gene Barrett with Jeff Brazil,


            2              not your son-in-law.


            3                      MS. GATELLI: No, I don't want to


            4              replace Gene Barrett at all.  I have no say


            5              in that.


            6                      MS. FRANUS: Oh, well, that's fine,


            7              that's the only question I asked.


            8                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.


            9                      MS. FRANUS: And you make this big


           10              thing --


           11                      MS. GATELLI:  And you make this big


           12              faux paux about that it's my son-in-law.


           13                      MS. FRANUS:  Well, I never heard


           14              that.  Sorry.


           15                      MS. GATELLI:  I'm sorry then.


           16                      MS. FANUCCI: I have a --


           17                      MS. FRANUS: Sherry -


           18                      MS. GATELLI: She mustn't have read


           19              it tonight.


           20                      MS. FRANUS:  The guilt.


           21                      MS. GATELLI:  When I'm the mayor


           22              I'll decide who gets what.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF: Please, let Mrs. Franus


           24              finish.


           25                      MS. FRANUS: Well, you may--






            1                      MR. MCGOFF: Mrs. Franus --


            2                      MS. FRANUS:  Mr. McGoff, Patsy


            3              McGoff, yes, what were you saying.


            4                      MR. MCGOFF: I'd just ask if you'd


            5              continue.


            6                      MS. FRANUS: Thank you.


            7                      MS. GATELLI:  Name calling is


            8              against the rules.


            9                      MS. FRANUS: No, it isn't.  I'm


           10              sorry.


           11                      MS. GATELLI: Attorney Minora, would


           12              you get the rules, please?


           13                      MS. FRANUS:  Here we go with


           14              Attorney Minora again.


           15                      MS. GATELLI:  Is name calling --


           16                      MR. MCGOFF: Now, let --


           17                      MS. GATELLI: They come here just to


           18              harass us.


           19                      MS. FRANUS:  You are an elected --


           20              you are paid --


           21                      MS. GATELLI: They have nothing


           22              concrete and nothing --


           23                      MS. FRANUS: I have everything


           24              concrete.  I would like to know what you


           25              people, the three you, Mrs. Gatelli, Mr.






            1              McGoff, and Ms. Fanucci are doing for the


            2              people of this city other than trying to


            3              block things from the public working face.


            4              Looked at the transcript from March 25 of


            5              last year and I read where you were trying


            6              to block the subpoenas that Mrs. Evans


            7              wanted and everything was a coverup.  You


            8              want to you read the transcript?


            9                      MS. GATELLI:  I went along with the


           10              subpoenas.


           11                      MS. FRANUS:  You kept on saying,


           12              "What do we want to find out?  You think


           13              there is a coverup?"


           14                      Well, you know what, I do think


           15              there is a cover up and this $12 million is


           16              going to prove it and I hope the three of


           17              you, the three of you that I just named who


           18              just raised our taxes 25 percent and plan on


           19              doing it again, I hope the three of you --


           20                      MS. GATELLI: We voted the tax --


           21                      MR. MCGOFF: Please.


           22                      MS. FRANUS: Hey, that's my money and


           23              my taxes.


           24                      MS. GATELLI: I'm not raising the


           25              taxes.






            1                      MS. FRANUS:  I got my taxes done,


            2              oh, you don't want to held accountable for


            3              the taxes that you raised?  What, you think


            4              it's swept under the rug?  People are trying


            5              to scrape money together to get that bill


            6              paid and the taxes in now.  They are getting


            7              their tax bills now.


            8                      MS. GATELLI:  The city tax is the


            9              lowest tax on your tax bill.


           10                      MS. FRANUS: Big deal.  To some


           11              people that's a heck of a lot of money,


           12              sorry, Judy, we don't all have money like


           13              you and we have to go and pay check to --


           14                      MS. GATELLI: Get educated and get a


           15              job and you then you'll have money like me.


           16                      MR. MCGOFF: Please, that's out of


           17              order.


           18                      MS. GATELLI: Well, I think they're


           19              out of order every week, Mr. McGoff.


           20                      MR. MCGOFF: Please.


           21                      MS. FRANUS:  Judy, we are not out of


           22              order.


           23                      MS. GATELLI: This goes on every


           24              week.  Every week, but that's all --


           25                      MR. MCGOFF: Please.






            1                      MS. FRANUS:  If the shoes fits wear


            2              it.


            3                      MS. GATELLI: It's only certain


            4              people that the names get called.


            5                      MS. FRANUS:  Judy, when you start


            6              representing the people in the City of


            7              Scranton maybe, maybe then --


            8                      (Whereupon the proceedings became


            9              unreportable.)


           10                      MR. MCGOFF: Stop.  We're done.  It's


           11              finished.


           12                      MS. FRANUS:  Mr. McGoff.  Thank you


           13              for keeping the rules for a change.


           14                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mrs. Franus.


           15                      MR. MCCLOE: Good evening.  My name


           16              is Brett McCloe, Scranton taxpayer, Scranton


           17              resident.  Mr. McGoff, I missed it last


           18              week, but you had said that I had demeaned


           19              the students who came up and spoke at this


           20              podium about the smoking ban.  I disagree.


           21              All I did was give students across the


           22              viewing area both public and private schools


           23              solutions that could further strengthen


           24              convictions and for that I'm truly sorry,


           25              and I will apologize to Mr. Miller over here






            1              and to any other student, but this is an


            2              adult forum and I was speaking to adults


            3              about adult issues.  These children will be


            4              adults four times longer than they will be


            5              teens and their view of this world will


            6              change drastically by the age of 25 and even


            7              more so by 35 and triple that by 50.  Yes,


            8              the children are our future, but the future


            9              is not a period of time, it is a pause.


           10                      To Mr. Sbaraglia, Generation X, my


           11              generation, between the ages of 35 and 45


           12              are still considered to be children, we are


           13              still their future.  It's all relative,


           14              let's not relegate generations worth of life


           15              experience and wisdom to the past.  I


           16              applaud students who have the guts to see


           17              past political correctness and are well


           18              aware that there are consequences and


           19              actions, consequences to actions and more


           20              importantly, consequences to inaction.


           21                      The students who spoke out against


           22              the smoking ban were courageous and in this


           23              my opinion will most likely be the adults


           24              who will stand up and protect our freedoms,


           25              civil rights and a free market from a






            1              juggernaut of government intervention.


            2                   There was an interesting group of


            3              articles in Sunday's paper, it was called


            4              Outlook 2008 and Blueprint for Tomorrow.  It


            5              was a very interesting serious of articles


            6              on business, it was filled with substantive


            7              hope for the future of Scranton and all of


            8              the Northeastern Pennsylvania.  Hopefully


            9              these new businesses will care more for the


           10              well-being of their employees than this


           11              administration and the legislative body who


           12              cares for the people of Scranton and the


           13              region.  I believe part of that blueprint


           14              for tomorrow starts with business owners


           15              both small and large to take a better look


           16              at how legislation is passed and how it


           17              effects future and present employees.  Maybe


           18              they need to take a lot at our political


           19              history and why we keep electing the same


           20              old people over and over again and expecting


           21              different results.  Many would say that this


           22              is the definition of insanity, maybe we here


           23              in Scranton are far too cynical to accept


           24              any explanation why $12 million magically


           25              disappears through political slight of hand






            1              and misdirection.


            2                      At the same time, those who make the


            3              laws pass harsh penalties on the


            4              unfortunate, the unconnected and the


            5              elderly.  No wonder the children leave this


            6              area in droves.  They see what you do to


            7              their parents and grandparents.  These are


            8              the overtaxed, stressed out employees


            9              serving the coffee, changing your oil,


           10              putting out your fires, protecting your


           11              cul-de-sacs and carrying the bulk of the


           12              economy on their back while they get you a


           13              lottery ticket and a pack of gum.  If the


           14              Chamber of Commerce wants to set higher


           15              standards and productivity they need to


           16              stand up for the citizens.  This blueprint


           17              for tomorrow must first include protecting


           18              and serving the people of today.


           19                      I just hope that at some point we


           20              can get to this wonderful, wonderful thing


           21              that they are always saying that we are


           22              going to get to, but we can't get there.  If


           23              there is nepotism we can't get there.  If


           24              there is going to be people who are going to


           25              hide $12 million we can't get there if






            1              legislation is passed unlawfully, knowingly,


            2              and willingly.  We can't do those things.


            3              We will never get to this point.  I'm sorry


            4              for expounding, it's just how I feel.  Thank


            5              you.


            6                      MR. MCGOFF: Marie Schumacher.  Good.


            7                      MS. SCHUMACHER: Good evening.  Marie


            8              Schumacher, resident and member of the


            9              Taxpayers' Association.  I'd like to start


           10              tonight with an item from the Community


           11              Development Block Grants for program year


           12              2007 and ask if anyone knows the status of


           13              the funds that you approved for the Benjamin


           14              Franklin Firefighters' Memorial which was to


           15              be a tribute to the men in blue.  Two marble


           16              life-sized statutes of a firefighter and


           17              policeman to be displayed at city hall.  Is


           18              that money that's going to segway into my


           19              next comments on OECD?  Is that money that


           20              is going to sit there so that in ten years


           21              we can say, "Oh, nothing happened and before


           22              we lose it we better transfer it to planting


           23              trees or something?"


           24                      And now to OECD, the questions that


           25              Mrs. Evans -- the answers to the questions






            1              that I asked at the March 11 meeting that


            2              were supplied to me by Mrs. Evans last week,


            3              I'd like to read two of them, actually three


            4              of them, because I think it's pretty


            5              interesting:  Number one, after the


            6              $239,156.45 was transferred out of clearing


            7              the banks and streams account how much will


            8              remain?


            9                      Answer:  This will clear this


           10              account out.  The balance will be zero.


           11                      You ask what approved projects for


           12              which the money was approved in the


           13              beginning will not be accomplished because


           14              this transfer?


           15                      This money was approved for a


           16              specific project.  The Linde-Keyser Creek


           17              Project.  The amount that was originally


           18              allocated for this was $330,000.  They only


           19              ended up using $90,843.55 so that left a


           20              balance in the account of $239,156.45.  The


           21              project was completed so there were no other


           22              approved projects that were not accomplished


           23              with this money, it was only for that


           24              approved project.


           25                      Two:  After the $74,470.85 transfer






            1              from the fire hydrants account how much will


            2              remain and how many hydrants would that


            3              amount have bought?  This account will also


            4              be cleared so that the balance will be zero.


            5              The fire hydrants were taken over by the


            6              water company, so we would not be purchasing


            7              anything.


            8                      Three:  After the $30,000 is


            9              transferred from the neighborhood precinct


           10              account how much will remain and what


           11              activities will not be accomplished?


           12                      This was money to be used for a new


           13              police precinct and they could not find one


           14              in the low or moderate area to build one and


           15              it could not be used for the new police


           16              headquarters that was built.  No CDBG money


           17              was used for that project so they are


           18              closing out this account as well and this


           19              balance will be zero.


           20                      Now, this brings up two primary


           21              questions:  Number one, that first project


           22              was a 1995 project, so we have had 330,000--


           23              or $239,000 sitting for 12 years?  The other


           24              two were both projects that were approved


           25              six years ago, so we know that those






            1              balances, apparently we have known that


            2              those -- the remainder in those accounts was


            3              not it be used, has it been collecting


            4              interest?  Is there no policy that says when


            5              the project is completed the monies get


            6              transferred out then and there into an


            7              account and maybe a priority list of


            8              accounts that the projects that didn't get


            9              funded get funded?


           10                      I mean, I think you people really


           11              need to take a good look.  We have got a lot


           12              of aging money sitting down there in EOCD


           13              apparently and it's time for a quick look


           14              and a change in policy I believe.


           15                      Next, Growing Greener.  I would like


           16              to go back to what I said on the 26th of


           17              February and that was last week Mrs. Fanucci


           18              stated the Growing Greener money is not a


           19              new issue of money, it is a transfer from


           20              the Connell building project to the garage.


           21              A lot of times they have time frames on the


           22              money and this money was earmarked for the


           23              Connell building in the beginning, so it's


           24              not new money that's been issued.  Now, the


           25              ordinance is to approve applying for a grant






            1              from the Growing Greener II fund which is in


            2              it's third year.  The reports for the first


            3              two years are on-line and no grants to


            4              Scranton have been made per these reports.


            5              The ordinance makes no note of a transfer,


            6              only an application.


            7                      Now, I have two problems with the


            8              ordinance which I believe should be


            9              defeated:  First, council has already


           10              approved the bond which included the


           11              demolition of the current structure and


           12              building the new garage.


           13                      Second, DCED Growing Greener II has


           14              $50 million for the total state for main


           15              street and downtown redevelopment -- may I


           16              finish this one --


           17                      MR. MCGOFF: Please.


           18                      MS. SCHUMACHER:  Including


           19              improvements to water and waste water


           20              infrastructure.  So if Scranton is to obtain


           21              a grant from that money I would argue that


           22              it should be used to help out the Sewer


           23              Authority with improvements to the waste


           24              water infrastructure and I'll be back next


           25              week with my other items.  Thank you.






            1                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mrs.


            2              Schumacher.  Sam Patilla.


            3                      MR. PATILLA: Good evening,


            4              Mr. Courtright and Mrs. Evans.


            5              Mr. Courtright, I need you to bear with me


            6              because most of my discussion tonight will


            7              be directed towards you, nothing negative


            8              like or anything like that.


            9                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Good.


           10                      MR. PATILLA: But Article 7 of


           11              Section 701 of the Administrative Code of


           12              Scranton, part of the Ethic's Code states:


           13              "Public officials should not engage in or


           14              have financial or other personal interest in


           15              any business transaction directly contrived


           16              which is incompatible with the discharge of


           17              his or her duties."


           18                      Okay, basically, what that says is


           19              that, you know, in the eyes of the


           20              taxpayers, okay, if it's perceived as


           21              hanky-panky in their eyes then it's a


           22              violation of the Ethics Code, you know,


           23              that's just like saying my brother or sister


           24              were the chief of police because of that


           25              relationship or my best friend because of






            1              that relationship I can get off of a


            2              speeding ticket or parking ticket or


            3              something like that for breaking the law.


            4              That's why we request elected officials to


            5              recuse themselves when they have an interest


            6              either financial or personal in any issue,


            7              any business transaction governing the city,


            8              the county or the state.


            9                      Now, I would like to think out of


           10              the box, okay, and I understand that you are


           11              between a rock and a hard place right now, I


           12              really understand that, but the bottom line


           13              is your job to serve the taxpayers, okay?


           14              The majority, unlike most, are more


           15              important than the minority.  You know, I


           16              understand I never met the chief, he might


           17              be a good man, but when it's that one versus


           18              the many I'm going to choose the many at all


           19              times regardless of what anybody else might


           20              think or say, okay?


           21                      The reason, too, that you should go


           22              ahead with your heart, because I know where


           23              your heart is going, okay, in the last month


           24              or so we've had a housing director federally


           25              indicted, 16 counts.  We have got the issue






            1              with the fire, no confidence vote with the


            2              fire department, okay?  We've got


            3              $20 million, everybody is saying 12 million,


            4              there was 20 million plus in that account,


            5              okay?  That shows that the current


            6              administration isn't capable of managing


            7              this city, let alone our money, this city


            8              because everywhere you turn around is


            9              falling apart, okay?


           10                      Then you go into the information


           11              provided by Mrs. Schumacher, Nelson and the


           12              rest of the citizens that come up here, they


           13              are right more often than not, you know, and


           14              when we come here all we get is excuses or


           15              misinformation, you know, and that's not


           16              what you were elected for, okay?  I know


           17              it's kind of hard, okay, but, you know, you


           18              cannot sit back and say just like the


           19              solicitor and the new tax collector stated,


           20              it's a software problem or it's a problem of


           21              the staff not being trained correctly.  You


           22              take an envelope for each month for three


           23              years and throw it into a box, you can't put


           24              that in a drawer, it will fill up.  It will


           25              fill up this podium.  That in itself, that






            1              amount of paperwork in itself is going to


            2              dictate somebody take some form of action,


            3              okay?


            4                      So if that money was there, people


            5              knew it was there, you don't blame the help


            6              because they weren't responsible for


            7              training themselves on that system.


            8              Management was.  You know, the people they


            9              always want to take the praise when


           10              something goes right, but when something


           11              goes wrong they want to blame the lonely


           12              worker.  No, if I'm the supervisor and my


           13              people weren't trained to operate a system


           14              because I consider most people to use


           15              computers --you give them Microsoft they are


           16              fine and dandy.  If you give them Lenox or


           17              you have them do Dulcite and they actually


           18              talk to their computer and they then they


           19              are lost.  You don't blame them.  The


           20              computer is only going to do what you tell


           21              it to do.  It's only going to do the


           22              information that you put into it.  Our


           23              budget have been overstated for years,


           24              millions of dollars, you know, they are


           25              crying broke.






            1                      If one penny of that money from that


            2              account, the interest income was included on


            3              any one of those budgets that's fraud, so we


            4              need outside agencies to come in here, not


            5              only the Attorney General of the


            6              Commonwealth, we need the IRS, we need the


            7              federal government to come in here because


            8              the city hasn't done it's job, the county


            9              hasn't done it's job, you know, why do we


           10              have to wait for the federal government to


           11              indict the housing director?  Why do we have


           12              to wait for the federal government to deal


           13              with Daron Northeast.  Why do we have to


           14              wait for another Scrantonian to buy that


           15              Southern Union building, all right?  You and


           16              I both know that every time I hear this man


           17              he's talking about how much money he is


           18              putting into the loan and grants he is going


           19              to receive he is not going to spend a


           20              quarter, Scrantonians are.  We are going to


           21              pay for that bill.  We are going to pay for


           22              that bill, again, which we already own.  You


           23              know, vote with your heart, Mr. Courtright,


           24              enough is enough.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr. Patilla.






            1              David Dobson.


            2                      MR. DOBSON: Good evening, Council.


            3              Dave Dobson, resident of Scranton, Taxpayer


            4              Association associate.  I'm here tonight to


            5              talk about financial help for Channel 61.


            6              They are failing and they really need


            7              financial help.  Hopefully it won't go dark.


            8              The new agreements the way I understand will


            9              take several months to implement and over


           10              the years they've provided much needed


           11              coverage to many events in different


           12              political events and so forth, so what I'm


           13              asking is please consider any measures to


           14              help them at least until other arrangements


           15              could be made.  If they do go dark and other


           16              arrangements aren't made it's going to be


           17              months and months before they attain


           18              coverage on any local events.  This is a


           19              valuable service and it should not be loss.


           20              Thank you.  Have a good night.


           21                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you very much,


           22              Mr. Dobson.  Candace McColligan


           23                      MS. MCCOLLIGAN: Candace McColligan,


           24              Scranton resident.  I'd like to begin by


           25              thanking Mrs. Fanucci for the information






            1              that you volunteered and supplied with


            2              regard to the Recovery Plan.  I would also


            3              like to make it very clear that my reasons


            4              for questioning the Recovery Plan involve


            5              the fact that I watch jobs and salary


            6              increases dolled out by this administration


            7              and approved by this council, and as I have


            8              said before, it seems very clear to me that


            9              these actions directly violated the language


           10              of the plan implemented under the mayor.


           11                   Obviously, the mayor has noted many


           12              times that the police and fire contract


           13              remain unresolved because he feels the


           14              demands of the unions violate the Recovery


           15              Plan.  If the mayor himself has submitted


           16              and passed budgets that also violate the


           17              Recovery Plan it becomes time to go back to


           18              the drawing board and implement a plan that


           19              the administration will actually follow.


           20                      I was provided one page of language


           21              from the plan, part of which stated, and I


           22              am quoting directly, "For 2003, 2004, and


           23              2005, the base hourly wages and salaries of


           24              all city employees shall not exceed existing


           25              2002 rates," and goes onto note that the






            1              only exception to that rule would be


            2              increases due to arbitration awards,


            3              collective bargaining agreements, etcetera.


            4                      Based on the language provided, if


            5              even one raise was given to it's city


            6              employee between 2002 and 2005 that was not


            7              ordered by arbitration or decided through


            8              collective bargaining the plan was violated.


            9              We are certainly all aware of the raises in


           10              the last budget that were not ordered by any


           11              legal process or bargaining.  Can any of you


           12              honestly say that this administration has


           13              abided by it's own plan?  If we are looking


           14              to recover from our distressed status a plan


           15              is certainly necessary, but what good is a


           16              plan if the people who write it refuse to


           17              abide by it's words?  How are people


           18              supposed to trust a mayor who only lives up


           19              to promises that are convenient to him?


           20                   This administration has touted the


           21              Recovery Plan and used it over and over to


           22              defend their actions, but the Recovery Plan


           23              is either applicable in all situations or


           24              it's null and void.  Do you really believe


           25              that not one raise was given between 2002






            1              and 2005?  You have to believe that the


            2              Recovery Plan has any validity.


            3                      Two weeks ago a Scrantonian was


            4              defined at a council meeting as someone who


            5              doesn't complain.  If that is a true


            6              definition, it's a mold I refuse to conform


            7              to.  A true citizen of any city is someone


            8              who lives in that city, pays taxes to that


            9              government and takes pride in wanting to see


           10              the city be the best it can be.  That


           11              includes wanting to see balanced budgets and


           12              decreasing debt because those things lead to


           13              lower taxes and higher investment and wages.


           14                      I think it's okay that citizens


           15              disagree and on the right way to make the


           16              city it's best.  Having those disagreements


           17              is what is causes progress and keeps people


           18              thinking about creative ways to move


           19              forward.  The moments citizens sit back and


           20              let things happen to them rather than taking


           21              charge of their own situation,


           22              administrations like the one currently in


           23              charge will have no accountability and I,


           24              for one, will never be satisfied with that


           25              possibility having lived here a relatively






            1              short time to be able to see this city not


            2              through rose-colored glasses, but with


            3              realism.  I have never been critical of


            4              Scranton as a city nor have I ever stated


            5              that parks are not important or do not


            6              deserve attention.  What I have said is that


            7              this administration is running this city as


            8              if they owe nothing to the citizens who take


            9              issue with their actions, that parks are


           10              important, but if we are to distressed and


           11              increasingly in debt perhaps parks should


           12              not have been put at the top of the priority


           13              list.


           14                      It is important to keep parks clean


           15              and safe, but do you really believe that it


           16              takes $8 million to do that?  It's as


           17              believable as a necessity of a $300,000 dog


           18              park, and again, I'm not against a dog park


           19              but there is no reason why we can't have one


           20              without spending $300,000.  A little more


           21              logic and a little less elbow rubbing is


           22              what this city needs and for those who


           23              disagree I can only wonder what your reasons


           24              are for ignoring the truth that is presented


           25              to you clearly here on a regular basis.






            1                   Finally, Mr. McGoff, it appears that


            2              you may be too close to the situation with


            3              the fire chief to even be able to see that


            4              you are too close, and I realize that I will


            5              never convince you that are biased on that


            6              subject, but I have to say to you, that if


            7              you do not want to be told that your


            8              personal relationship is negatively


            9              affecting your ability to make an unbiased


           10              decision, then you shouldn't go on record


           11              and more than one occasion specifically


           12              defending an individual based solely on your


           13              personal friendship with them and not in any


           14              way based on your knowledge of their job


           15              performance.


           16                      Perhaps it's time that each of you


           17              on this council ask yourself why you got


           18              into politics.  If your answer has anything


           19              to do with who you know or benefits you


           20              receive for yourself rather than the changes


           21              you wanted to see in this city it may be


           22              time for you to consider changing your


           23              course.  Thank you.


           24                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Ms.


           25              McColligan.  Lee Morgan.






            1                      MR. MORGAN: Good evening, Council.


            2              Mr. McGoff, I would just like to ask if you


            3              have any information on the questions that I


            4              asked last week?


            5                      MR. MCGOFF: I apologize, last week


            6              became a very short and busy week for me for


            7              some other things and I will hopefully have


            8              them for you next week on Channel 61.


            9                      MR. MORGAN:  You know what the


           10              questions are; right?


           11                      MR. MCGOFF: You asked how you would


           12              go about gaining access to a public -- or


           13              one of the public access channels.


           14                      MR. MORGAN: And I also asked about


           15              the subpoenas that were in my opinion, in my


           16              opinion issued by this council to


           17              investigate the authorities.


           18                      MR. MCGOFF: Yes, we spoke about them


           19              beforehand in caucus, I'm not sure exactly


           20              where the discussion went because I was at


           21              the time listening to Mr. King who was also


           22              in caucus talking about something else.


           23              Hopefully I can get that information for you


           24              before -- that we may be able to do before


           25              the night is over.






            1                      MR. MORGAN: Okay.  The other


            2              question, well, I just have very few


            3              questions, but I'd like to make a statement


            4              here and I hope that council would look at


            5              the cable TV agreement, all right, and I


            6              just hope that they would see that in


            7              Section 12, there is an authorization to


            8              have more than just two public access


            9              channels.  It says here that are you going


           10              start with one and when you get the 67


           11              channels you are going to have three


           12              altogether and when you go over 100 you are


           13              going to going to get another channel and


           14              then it continues to grow and I think the


           15              question we have to ask is how many channels


           16              actually does the cable TV network have?  I


           17              think it may be one hundreds, so -- and I


           18              also think that it's very important than 61


           19              doesn't go dark because there is an awful


           20              lot of darkness in this community.


           21                      And I'm not slamming this council,


           22              but we really don't know what's -- I'd like


           23              to say most people don't really know what's


           24              going on in this community and this is the


           25              only thing they get to see here and I just






            1              hope, you know, I'm going to be very brief,


            2              but I just hope that everybody here would


            3              come together and figure a way the city is


            4              going to go in because if you walk around


            5              here you will see that it's getting really


            6              pretty dire in the the city, the city is a


            7              mess, and I know the elections are coming


            8              again soon and it's always nice to campaign,


            9              but I think it's important to really do


           10              something for the benefit of the people and


           11              Mr. McCloe got up here and he was under the


           12              impression that the Chamber of Commerce


           13              functions for the people and it doesn't, it


           14              functions for business.  Council functions


           15              for the people, the mayor is supposed to


           16              function for the people and it's really not


           17              happening and I just hope that all five of


           18              the councilmen here would give it some


           19              serious consideration to really some of the


           20              important issues confronting this city and


           21              it's just not youth programs it's


           22              overtaxation and others, just a slew of


           23              problems including the Sewer Authority and I


           24              just hope that the council would go revisit


           25              the rate increase and ask themselves how the






            1              sewer skirted coming before council to ask


            2              for a rate increase and that's all I have.


            3              I'll wait for your answer next week


            4              Mr. McGoff.


            5                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr. Morgan.


            6              Any other speakers?  Mr. Ellman.


            7                      MR. ELLMAN: Ron Ellman, property


            8              owner and member of the Taxpayers'


            9              Association.  I was coming tonight with my


           10              usual adverse remarks about the mayor,


           11              somebody stopped me outside with one of


           12              those, If you're so smart why aren't you


           13              rich talks, you know, you're always


           14              complaining, why don't you run for mayor and


           15              do a better job.  To run for mayor in the


           16              first place you have to be well-financed or


           17              have a rich daddy like some people I guess


           18              or you have to -- and you have to be well


           19              organized.  There is only going to one


           20              person that can run against the mayor, you


           21              know, that's just a fact.  So far I hear


           22              that Mrs. Evans is interested and Gary


           23              DiBileo, I'm just talking about talk, Todd


           24              O'Malley.  Well, Todd O'Malley isn't as well


           25              financed but the school board ruined his






            1              name with the people, so he won't get --


            2              he'll just takes vote away from someone and


            3              I don't know what it is about Mr. DiBileo


            4              but he has lost his popularity, and I don't


            5              know the man, I don't know nothing about him


            6              and I don't know what happened in that


            7              circle of people, so if you want to run you


            8              better have a rich daddy I guess, you know.


            9                      MS. GATELLI: She has Dave, that's


           10              better than a rich daddy.


           11                      MR. HILLMAN: I don't know about


           12              that.  You know, if I ran for mayor -- if I


           13              wasn't 72 years old those couple of factors


           14              wouldn't bother me from running, you know, I


           15              figure I'm capable or raising money and I


           16              know what I'd do, I'd knock on doors all


           17              over the city and talk to people and not go


           18              in bars and buy everybody a drink, but


           19              90 percent of it would be wasted money


           20              there, but you could get one or two people


           21              that are in there got some brains.  Right


           22              now everybody thinks that brains are up


           23              there in the Greenridge area, they are all


           24              over town, the people don't vote, half the


           25              people don't vote, I just don't understand






            1              it, you know, people get -- die for the


            2              privilege of voting, but I'd put an end to


            3              the borrowing, borrowing is an addiction and


            4              this mayor is addicted terrible, you know.


            5              Borrowing is an addiction.  He can't stop,


            6              you know, it's as bad as some people have


            7              with drugs and alcohol or whatever.  It's


            8              just -- it's just never ending here, it's


            9              going to keep on and on and on unless


           10              somebody puts their foot down and you can't


           11              lower taxes.  It's silly to run on a


           12              platform of lowering the taxes, it can't be


           13              done.


           14                      The next thing to do is get rid of


           15              all of the dead, unnecessary, useless dead


           16              weight in this building.  There is almost 50


           17              people been hired.  I think it's $11 million


           18              added to the payroll and try to get them --


           19              all you get is these answering machines.


           20              I've never seen nothing like it.  I have


           21              heard it over and over and over again you


           22              get an answering machine.  I'd get rid of


           23              all of the answering machines and tell


           24              someone they need to stay there and answer


           25              the phone or leave.  This is terrible.






            1                      Last week somebody mentioned that


            2              the potholes, I guess this is the pothole


            3              capital of the world.  I hit a pothole right


            4              in front of the bridge on Lackawanna and


            5              I've got over $1,000 damage to my car and if


            6              you don't believe me you can phone the


            7              Cadillac dealer in Wilkes-Barre because I


            8              wouldn't let Burne Cadillac touch my car.


            9                      MS. EVANS: Well, Mr. Ellman, you can


           10              actually submit your repair bills to the


           11              city.


           12                      MR. ELLMAN:  Well, then these people


           13              would be mad at me.  Now, you talk about


           14              parts for a Cadillac, the struts are


           15              electronic, well, you got a luxury car, you


           16              know, nothing comes cheap and I bought two


           17              of everything, I bought two axles and two


           18              struts, I have bent the well or lost my


           19              wheels, it was way over $1,000.  If we


           20              hadn't been taken the money, the block grant


           21              money to tear down buildings for wealthy


           22              friends we could have streets and sidewalks


           23              fixed.  Thank you.


           24                      MR. UNGVARSKY:  Good evening,


           25              Council, Tom Ungvarsy, and I'm also a member






            1              of the Scranton/Lackawanna Taxpayers'


            2              Association and I would like to bring up


            3              Channel 61 again.  As you know, they are in


            4              financial straights and may not be able to


            5              broadcast much longer.  Has the city council


            6              done anything to help them to stay on the


            7              air until the Electric City takes over?  You


            8              haven't discussed it at all?  No?


            9                      MR. MCGOFF: No.


           10                      MR. UNGVARSKY: I understand that


           11              Electric City TV will be taking over


           12              shortly.  I understand that they are also


           13              going to give $300,000 plus some extra funds


           14              for equipment and to remodel a studio.  It


           15              seems like if they can get $300,000 you


           16              should be able to appropriate some funds to


           17              keep them on the air until channel -- or


           18              Electric City takes over.  Has anyone seen


           19              the disc, the promotional disc that Electric


           20              City TV put out?  No one saw it?  Has anyone


           21              seen the proposal that they made?


           22                      MS. FANUCCI: I did receive the


           23              proposal, but I did not get to look at it


           24              or-- I just the other day actually.


           25                      MR. UNGVARSKY: Has anyone talked to






            1              Mr. Bolton about Electric City?


            2                      MS. FANUCCI: No.


            3                      MR. UNGVARSKY: No one has done


            4              anything?  How about the three panel members


            5              that voted for Electric City TV, has anyone


            6              talked to them, especially Mr. Welby, since


            7              he was the one who was more or less the head


            8              of it?


            9                      MR. MCGOFF: I spoke with Mr. Monahan


           10              after the decision was made.


           11                      MR. UNGVARSKY: Yeah.  And would you


           12              elaborate on that for me, please?


           13                      MR. MCGOFF: There is not much to


           14              elaborate on, Mr. Ungvarsky, he simply told


           15              me that he thought that they had made the


           16              best proposal.  I didn't ask him for


           17              specifics, but I did speak to him.


           18                      MR. UNGVARSKY: Well, I have seen


           19              another proposal that I thought was quite


           20              good and it seems like there hasn't been an


           21              open discussion over it.  Did I mention that


           22              Mr. Bolton is taking over a project up on


           23              Prescott Avenue that's owned by Mr. Monsure?


           24              Okay.  Apparently city council hasn't done


           25              anything on this.  We are going to hear






            1              pretty soon that we have nothing to say


            2              about it.  I think it's time that city


            3              council got involved.  It seems as though


            4              you just let the mayor usurp all of your


            5              power and you do nothing in regards to it,


            6              you just let him get away with it.  Thank


            7              you.


            8                      MS. EVANS: Mr. Ungvarsky, if I could


            9              interrupt for one second, council did not


           10              select the committee members that would have


           11              been performed by the mayor, he selected the


           12              membership, the committee was even convened


           13              at his request because he wanted the


           14              committee to make the selection rather than


           15              himself, and council really had no input


           16              into in situation, however, since the


           17              selection apparently was made and since


           18              Electric City TV has requested close to


           19              $1 million from the cable franchise fee over


           20              three separate phases --


           21                      MR. UNGVARSKY: Three years.  Yes.


           22                      MS. EVANS: -- I suggested that


           23              council formed an oversight committee and


           24              council did unanimously agree to do that and


           25              there will be appointments made by council






            1              to the oversight committee, and it will be


            2              their -- I would say their mission, their


            3              role, to monitor Electric City TV and to


            4              report I would hope monthly to city council.


            5              Now, they are an advisory committee, they


            6              are not going to wield in power either, but


            7              they will report to us then we can make


            8              certain decisions, but with regard to the


            9              $300,000 that you mentioned --


           10                      MR. UNGVARSKY: Yes, that's the first


           11              year alone.


           12                      MS. EVANS: Yes --


           13                      MR. MCGOFF: Please, Mr.


           14              Ungvarsky, let Mrs. Evans speak, your time


           15              had been up.


           16                      MS. EVANS: I'm sorry, but I did want


           17              to him understand that $300,000 is not part


           18              of the current 2008 operating budget and so


           19              if, for example, a contract is awarded to


           20              Electric City TV it would be my belief that


           21              that contract would have to come before city


           22              council for approval in the form of


           23              legislation.


           24                      In addition to that, if $300,000


           25              were to be awarded to Electric City TV in






            1              fiscal year 2008, then certainly that


            2              legislation I believe would have to come


            3              before city council because there would be


            4              some type of amendment to the budget unless,


            5              of course, there were a budget transfer


            6              within one single department, but I don't


            7              see how that could be the case, but I had


            8              suggested to council and they are


            9              considering it that Electric City TV not


           10              receive funding until 2009, at such time as


           11              a new or maybe the present cable operator is


           12              selected or perhaps a new one and the cable


           13              franchise fee has been altered to include


           14              funding of Electric City TV, so I know


           15              that's a rather lengthy explanation, but I


           16              did want you to understand that council has


           17              had involvement as much as we, you know,


           18              possibly can and we are going to continue to


           19              be involved.


           20                      MR. UNGVARKSY: Well, thank you, but


           21              it's still --


           22                      MR. MCGOFF:  Thank you, Mr.


           23              Ungvarsky --


           24                      MR. UNGVARSKY: -- that Channel 61 is


           25              having a problem.






            1                      MS. EVANS: Yes.


            2                      MR. MCGOFF:  And we're deducting


            3              that time from your motion.  Anyone else?


            4              Nelson?  I'm sorry.


            5                      MR. ANCHERANI: For what?


            6                      MS. EVANS: My explanation.


            7                      MR. ANCHERANI: Good evening, Nelson


            8              Ancherani, resident and taxpayer, city


            9              employee, financial secretary of the FOP


           10              exercising my First Amendment Rights.  Miss


           11              Fanucci, a couple of weeks ago I asked you


           12              to give me the page number in the Recovery


           13              Plan where there are provisions for union


           14              raises and I believe that they were the


           15              basis for you saying the mayor did not


           16              violate the Recovery Plan.


           17                      Last week you gave me the page


           18              number, the page number was 64, that page 64


           19              is -- I read off about personnel costs,


           20              there were three more violations there, I


           21              just want to remind people, and the


           22              violations are over the 4 million mark.  You


           23              also referred to "they".  Now, you told me


           24              that you read a Recovery Plan, but they told


           25              you the page numbers, who are "they"?






            1                      MS. FANUCCI: Ask me the question


            2              again?  Who are "they"?


            3                      MR. ANCHERANI: That told you the


            4              page numbers because you said you read the


            5              Recovery Plan.


            6                      MS. FANUCCI: I'd been working -- I


            7              called PEL on this to find out exactly what


            8              they felt, if he was in violation of the


            9              Recovery Plan, if they felt that what he did


           10              was in violation of the Recovery Plan, they


           11              said, no, and they recited where that was


           12              and that was if negotiations were settled,


           13              which were not, that was to be what would be


           14              the structure.  Because nothing was signed


           15              and settled, that obviously was not, you


           16              know, didn't make a set schedule on what the


           17              numbers were.  That's from what I was told,


           18              and so that was PEL.


           19                      In other words, PEL doesn't know


           20              that the Recovery Plan was violated three


           21              different times because for 2004, 200 and


           22              some thousand was allocated in the Recovery


           23              Plan, and city spent over a million dollars


           24              in raises, same with 2005, 2006, that's


           25              where the $4 million extra comes up besides






            1              what they put in as the cap.


            2                      MS. FANUCCI: Right, it was the cap


            3              for the union negotiations.


            4                      MR. ANCHERANI:  Okay, that TV


            5              station that's going to going to come here


            6              and going to replace Channel 61, they have


            7              90 days from the time the station signed the


            8              deal, I believe it's 90 days, they are not


            9              going to up and running, so what I'm going


           10              to say is we are not going to have a TV


           11              station for awhile, so the only thing that


           12              people really have is DohertyDeciet.com,


           13              that's all I'm going to be able to get it --


           14              get the transcripts and get them first.


           15                      The soldiers, they haven't been paid


           16              for over five years now.  I mean, we have a


           17              treehouse, we have a black fish pond, we


           18              have a lot of stuff, those soldiers, it


           19              doesn't total $20,000, it's less than


           20              $20,000 to make them whole.  I don't know


           21              why they can't do that.


           22                      Okay, the 12 million, that 12


           23              million plus, my feeling if there is 12


           24              million there why can't there be 12 million


           25              other places or more in other places?  My






            1              feeling is also that the 12 million when


            2              those auditors come in they are going to


            3              find out that most of it, if not all of it,


            4              is going be going to the City of Scranton.


            5              These municipalities operate on smaller


            6              budgets, if they don't get the money that


            7              they approximate coming in they are going to


            8              be jumping up and down, so I believe that


            9              that 12 million plus is going to be the City


           10              of Scranton.  If it isn't when those


           11              auditors check it out, I will be really


           12              surprised.


           13                      I'm a conspiracy theorist, I believe


           14              that the mayor has been saying for the last


           15              seven years -- yeah, seven now, that the


           16              city is distressed, the Recovery Plan had to


           17              be implemented to get us out of the


           18              financial straights we are in, when they


           19              find out that that money does belong to the


           20              city, or most of it for the city, that


           21              should get us out of the distress.  I


           22              believe the money is there to keep us


           23              distressed.  And, also, our taxes were


           24              raised when they didn't have to be.  Maybe I


           25              can afford my taxes, but there is people out






            1              there that can't.  Thank you.


            2                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you,


            3              Mr. Ancherani.


            4                      MR. GERVASI: Good evening, city


            5              council.  My name is Dave Gervasi and I'm a


            6              firefighter and a resident of the City of


            7              Scranton.  Mrs. Fanucci, just a clarify


            8              something when you were just talking to


            9              Mr. Ancherani, that section of the Recovery


           10              Plan that was money that was allocated and I


           11              believe you just said for the unionized


           12              negotiations?


           13                      MS. FANUCCI: It was for -- or any


           14              type of arbitration awards or anything that


           15              would come out of, you know, it was actually


           16              money for negotiations for any type of


           17              money, any type of raises, DPW got their


           18              raise, it would have been what that was


           19              already before.


           20                      MR. GERVASI: Are aware of the first


           21              line of that page where it says --


           22                      MS. FANUCCI: Yeah.


           23                      MR. GERVASI: -- that that money was


           24              allocated for wage adjustments --


           25                      MS. FANUCCI: Right.






            1                      MR. GERVASI:  -- for all city


            2              employees.


            3                      MS. FANUCCI: All city employees, but


            4              they said because negotiations did not come


            5              to fruition with the unions that money and


            6              that was not held because of that.  If you


            7              signed in 2004, 2005 or 2006 that would have


            8              been the basis.  Because that did not occur,


            9              that made that process null and void.


           10                      MR. GERVASI: So, in other words,


           11              those were the parameters that they allowed


           12              in the Recovery Plan for, wage adjustments?


           13                      MS. FANUCCI: For wage adjustments,


           14              although, they said like DPW they did --


           15              they received more than the wage adjustments


           16              as well because they sat down and they


           17              negotiated out, they sat down with PEL and


           18              PEL --


           19                      MR. GERVASI: The point I'm trying to


           20              make is those were the financial parameters


           21              of the Recovery Plan, did you know the first


           22              year that that was busted by $46,000.  Yes.


           23              The next year that number in the Recovery


           24              Plan, the parameters, were busted by


           25              hundreds of thousands of dollars.






            1                      MS. FANUCCI: Right.


            2                      MR. GERVASI:  Because of new hires


            3              and everyone getting those big giant raises


            4              and stuff.


            5                      MS. FANUCCI: Right.  Right.  I asked


            6              if they felt he was in violation, I mean, I


            7              can only ask the questions, Dave that I'm --


            8              you know, willing to ask.


            9                      MR. GERVASI:  You are only in


           10              violation of the Recovery Plan if DCED says


           11              you are.  The mayor can take the Recovery


           12              Plan as he has done, took probably at least


           13              half of it and throw it in the garbage and


           14              do whatever he wants.  As long as DCED says


           15              nothing you are not in violation.  That's


           16              the sad part of the system.


           17                      MS. FANUCCI: It's really not DCED


           18              it's more would be PEL that would make the


           19              recommendations on the violations to DCED.


           20                      MR. GERVASI: No, PEL is only the


           21              plan coordinator, DCED makes all decisions.


           22              Secretary Yablonski would be make all


           23              decisions, usually through Fred Reading of


           24              DCED.


           25                      MS. FANUCCI: Right.






            1                      MR. GERVASI: They make all the


            2              decisions.


            3                      MS. FANUCCI: Okay.


            4                      MR. GERVASI:  I just wanted to


            5              clarify that.  Just one thing I wanted to


            6              say on behalf of all of the firefighters in


            7              the City of Scranton, I want to thank four


            8              members of this council forwarding that


            9              request to the mayor to look into the


           10              seriousness of -- they are not allegations


           11              to me, I can say they are facts because I


           12              know they are, and I want to thank all four


           13              of you for taking that serious, and taking


           14              the time to look at the allegations and as


           15              Mrs. Evans said, the stark differences


           16              between the investigation that


           17              Mr. Courtright and Mr. McGoff did, the


           18              differences in the both sides.  It is a


           19              serious thing.  We expect the mayor to do


           20              nothing and then, unfortunately, we are


           21              going to take all of those things to


           22              arbitration and it will probably be four


           23              years before we get any satisfaction -- I'm


           24              sorry, two years before we get out any


           25              satisfaction, it will be tens of thousands






            1              of dollars of legal fees incurred by both


            2              sides and we probably won't get any


            3              satisfaction and we will continue to have


            4              incompetent leadership in our department,


            5              but we will continue to push it because that


            6              is the mandate our members gave us.


            7                      I want to make one quick comment on


            8              the one person who did not vote for that,


            9              Mr. McGoff, although, I humbly will say that


           10              it is honorable your loyalty to your friend,


           11              but I think you more than anyone who was


           12              there and witnessed everything that happened


           13              I believe truly in any heart that you


           14              understand that our allegations are in fact


           15              facts were a problem and they are a very


           16              serious problem and I find it unconscionable


           17              that you would not at least forward this to


           18              the mayor and help these four members, your


           19              colleagues, to push that for the mayor to


           20              have something done, and what that, that's


           21              all I have to say.  Thank you.


           22                      Oh, I have 30 seconds left, I just


           23              want to also mention the incredibly


           24              nonsensical analogy made last week about


           25              having the city work -- I'm sorry, the city






            1              administration asking the union to do a no


            2              confidence vote on Attorney Tom Jennings,


            3              and in case you don't know, and I'm sure you


            4              do know, that Tom Jennings does not take


            5              firefighters and put them in harm's way, Tom


            6              Jennings does not make mistakes on the


            7              firefighters, Tom Jennings, in fact, is our


            8              lawyer who helps us correct those safety


            9              deficiencies, so that analogy didn't quite


           10              cut it, and that's all I have to say.  Thank


           11              you.


           12                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr. Gervasi.


           13                      MR. SLEDENZSKI: Hello, Bill.  I'm


           14              last tonight, Bob, last but not least.  On


           15              Friday night Scranton Fire Department versus


           16              the Scranton cops, Scranton high school,


           17              Doug, good job on that, Doug, I'm proud of


           18              you buddy.  Keep it up, will you?  Thanks,


           19              Dougie.


           20                      MR. MILLER: You're welcome.


           21                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Chris.


           22              Anyone else?  Mrs. Evans.


           23                      MS. EVANS: Good evening.  Last week


           24              each council person received a copy of the


           25              Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease






            1              Registry, or ATSDR, Record of Activity, Data


            2              Review and Response regarding Daron


            3              Northeast Architectural Masonary Products


            4              located on Dickson Avenue in Scranton.


            5                      I wish to read from this reports


            6              discussion section and recommendations:


            7              "Based on the information reviewed for this


            8              report, ATSDR finds a plausible basis for


            9              respiratory concerns in residents living


           10              immediately adjacent to the site


           11              particularly with respect to particulate


           12              dust and diesel ignition exposures."


           13                      Then recommendations:  "For the


           14              remainder of this facilities' operations at


           15              this site local ordinances regarding truck


           16              idling should be enforced and the facility


           17              should continue it's engineering controls.


           18              It is crucial to operate the dust


           19              suppression activities effectively to


           20              control the particulate ignitions from the


           21              property.  If new information becomes


           22              available to support this activity, for


           23              example, the facility does not, in fact,


           24              relocate to another location as is currently


           25              planned, violations are noted by






            1              Pennsylvania Department of Environmental


            2              Protection and/or if significant new


            3              community concerns arise, ATSDR recommends


            4              that environmental agencies conduct air


            5              monitoring and/or air modeling at this


            6              location to quantify the levels of the air


            7              emission effecting this community.


            8                      For any future businesses that may


            9              operate at this location ATSDR recommends


           10              that local authorities strictly follow their


           11              ordinances and associated best practices


           12              regarding the facilities offset distances


           13              and appropriate site perimeter construction.


           14              Local authorities may also want to consider


           15              changing the zoning of this location from


           16              light industrial to commercial given the


           17              proximity of the surrounding residences and


           18              the lack of any other industrial sites in


           19              the immediate vicinity."


           20                      So, in fact, what the neighbors have


           21              been reporting for at least my tenure on


           22              council has been very accurate and very


           23              detrimental to their health.  Now, why would


           24              such a business be permitted to embed a


           25              15-acre masonry facility within a






            1              residential neighborhood and a mere 20 feet


            2              from a residential home?  If the prior


            3              planning commission and zoning board enabled


            4              this purchase and subsequent operation


            5              either directly or indirectly, then those


            6              individuals together with this


            7              administration had the responsibility to


            8              monitor operations and address neighbors


            9              health concerns and complaints over the last


           10              five years.


           11                      Daron Northeast will vacate their


           12              facility by the conclusion of 2008 at which


           13              time the planning commission should


           14              recommend a zoning change for the area of


           15              Daron Northeast and city council should


           16              approve it before any similar business is


           17              allowed to purchase this property.


           18                      Now, returning to the recent


           19              discovery by the tax office of approximately


           20              is 12.2 million dollars, the reaction of


           21              many elected officials and city and school


           22              district administrators is to conduct a


           23              forensic audit in order to determine dollar


           24              amounts owed to appropriate entities and to


           25              disperse monies as soon as possible,






            1              however, there are issues of internal


            2              control that demand equal attention, more


            3              specifically, investigation and resolution.


            4              Why would the mayor fail to provide funds to


            5              conduct annual audits of the Single Tax


            6              Office?  Why would the Pennsylvania Economy


            7              League tell the city controller not to


            8              proceed with these annual audits?  Why


            9              wouldn't council's independent auditor


           10              discover the account in Fidelity Bank until


           11              Mr. McDowell supplied them only with basic


           12              information, for example, only a copy of the


           13              tax revenue check minus supporting


           14              documentation.


           15                      Again, why didn't the bank take note


           16              of this unusual activity in a sizable


           17              account?  It doesn't pass the smell test.


           18              Ladies and gentlemen, it is insufficient to


           19              disburse these monies.  It is not enough to


           20              audit the Single Tax Office each year going


           21              forward and to establish internal controls


           22              and oversight.  Before we can move forward


           23              or try to disbarred this debacle we must


           24              have the answers.  We must open the window


           25              and let the sunshine in on the last three






            1              years of business activity in the Single Tax


            2              Office.  The bottom line is we need an


            3              investigation as well as a forensic audit.


            4              It's unacceptable for the state or federal


            5              government to pass the buck to either the


            6              victims or the perpetrators of this outrage.


            7              The stench of this will remain until the


            8              Attorney General or federal representatives


            9              answer all questions and track every morsel


           10              of data and communication by means of a


           11              comprehensive investigation.  Those who are


           12              responsible should be held accountable.


           13                      And so, I move that Scranton City


           14              Council sends to District Attorney Jarbola a


           15              letter requesting an investigation of the


           16              Single Tax Office regarding the discovery of


           17              the approximately 12.2 million dollars in a


           18              Fidelity bank account and the collection of


           19              Act 511 taxes.


           20                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I'll second that.


           21                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?


           22                      MS. EVANS:  Yes.  I just wanted to


           23              explain one item, I believe that it would be


           24              proper procedure to request an investigation


           25              of the District Attorney's Office before we






            1              would proceed to the Attorney General's


            2              Office and so I'm trying to follow the


            3              proper protocol.


            4                      MR. COURTRIGHT: And on the question,


            5              I think that there is no choice but to do it


            6              that way.  I'll tell you why I'm in full


            7              favor of this, this is going on five years I


            8              have been here now, I have heard over the


            9              last five years a lot of comments made about


           10              that office, a lot of allegations, and I


           11              think most of us heard them and either


           12              didn't believe them or felt there was


           13              nothing we can do about it, there was


           14              nothing for us to prove that there was


           15              wrongs doings going on over there, and so


           16              they happened, but now with this $12 million


           17              coming forward maybe there is some


           18              credibility to some of the rumors that we


           19              have heard.  I'm not saying whether there is


           20              or isn't, but this might be the way to


           21              finally put them to rest.  I don't know if


           22              any of you I have heard them, but I have


           23              heard them and this might be the way to put


           24              it to rest.


           25                      MS. EVANS: And the only other thing






            1              I would like to add is that I did read


            2              perhaps in today's paper or maybe it was


            3              yesterday's, that the county commissioners


            4              are in favor of an investigation.


            5                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Oh, yeah.


            6                      MR. MCGOFF: The only thing that I


            7              consider is that I'm sure the District


            8              Attorney is probably going to want to wait


            9              until the audit is conducted.  I have


           10              nothing against, you know, requesting an


           11              investigation, but I do think that they will


           12              probably wait until the forensic audit is


           13              done before they begin the investigation.


           14                      MS. EVANS: And that's certainly a


           15              consideration that had occurred even to


           16              myself earlier today and that may well be


           17              the case, but on the other hand, it seems


           18              that the audit and the investigation could


           19              work well hand-in-hand and this is in


           20              addition very poor analogy for me to make


           21              because in no way am I implying that a crime


           22              has been committed, but once you tamper with


           23              the crime scene then it's very difficult to


           24              go back and trace exactly what's happened,


           25              you know, or let's say once the body has






            1              been embalmed it's very difficult if not


            2              impossible to conduct a proper autopsy, so I


            3              do think both should go hand-in-hand.


            4                      MR. MCGOFF: Anyone else?  Would you


            5              restate the motion just for the record?


            6                      MS. EVANS: I shall try.


            7                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.


            8                      MS. EVANS: I move that Scranton City


            9              Council sends to District Attorney Jarbola a


           10              letter requesting an investigation of the


           11              discovery of approximately 12.2 million


           12              dollars in a Fidelity Bank account and the


           13              collection of City Act 511 taxes.


           14                      MR. MCGOFF: The motion has been made


           15              and seconded.  All in favor signify by


           16              saying aye.


           17                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           18                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           19                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           20                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           21                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  All Opposed?  The


           22              ayes have it and so moved.


           23                      MS. EVANS: Thank you.  Next, I have


           24              two quick updates on citizen's requests.


           25              This concerns the corner of Luzerne Street






            1              and 14th Avenue.  The letter is from


            2              Mr. Seitzinger and he agreed there were


            3              garbage cans and recycling bins remaining on


            4              the sidewalk at all times and it was


            5              littered with broken concrete, old water


            6              heaters, etcetera, and on February 22,


            7              housing inspector Don McKeean was sent to


            8              the property and photographed and sent a


            9              report to the owner of the property


           10              reflecting what he had seen.  Mr. McKeean is


           11              monitoring the situation and we will


           12              continue to address this issue.  Moreover,


           13              if the property owner does not comply with


           14              the request of the City of Scranton


           15              regarding this issue, citations will be


           16              issued.


           17                      Also, there has been progress


           18              according to city inspector Jeff Liptai


           19              concerning the blight problems in the 100


           20              block of Masters Street.


           21                      And, finally, I have some citizens


           22              requests for this past week.  A letter to


           23              Mr. Brazil, please provide city council with


           24              the 2008 paint paving list as soon as


           25              possible and if council is in agreement that






            1              letter could be sent on behalf of the entire


            2              council?


            3                      MS. FANUCCI: Yes.


            4                      MS. EVANS: Also, residents report


            5              that the 21 and 2200 blocks of Shawnee


            6              Avenue and the four on 500 blocks of Depot


            7              Street in this desperate need of paving.


            8              Residents of the Plot were told that street


            9              paving would occur following completion of


           10              the flood project in their neighborhood.


           11              They request patching of potholes until the


           12              paving occurs.


           13                      Also, the 1600 block of Muncy Avenue


           14              is a washboard which reveals exposed bricks


           15              and requires paving or patching.  The 15 and


           16              1600 blocks of North Washington Avenue


           17              require patching.  A letter to Mr. Renda,


           18              and again, if council is in agreement we


           19              could send this on behalf of all of us, for


           20              one account and line item in the 2008


           21              operating budget was the SIT award for the


           22              police department taken?  Please provide a


           23              written response on or before April 4, 2008.


           24              Is that agreeable?


           25                      MR. COURTRIGHT: We sent that last






            1              week.


            2                      MS. EVANS: Oh, I didn't realize you


            3              did.


            4                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  We didn't get an


            5              answer yet.


            6                      MS. EVANS: Okay.  Well, then we'll


            7              wait and see if you get your answer and if


            8              you don't this will be the follow-up.


            9              Contact Mr. McMullen about placing a new


           10              one-way sign at the top of the 300-block of


           11              16th Avenue.  Drivers ignore the old sign


           12              and turn right according to the residents of


           13              the area.


           14                      A letter to Mr. Seitzinger regarding


           15              problems at a residents on East Mountain


           16              Road and a letter is attached explaining


           17              that, Kay.


           18                      Finally, a letter to Robert Rossi


           19              and Company and, again, if you are in


           20              agreement this could be sent on behalf of


           21              the entire council, what information was


           22              provided to you by the Single Tax Office for


           23              the years 2005 and 2006 regarding Act 511


           24              taxes for the City of Scranton?  In light of


           25              the recent discovery of over $12 million by






            1              the Single Tax Office what procedures will


            2              you employ to ensure proper Act 511 tax


            3              reports in future independent audits and to


            4              address problems of internal control on the


            5              city's part?  Is this agreeable?


            6                      MS. FANUCCI: Yes.


            7                      MS. EVANS: Oh, thank you then Kay


            8              that could go from the entire council as


            9              well, and that's it.


           10                      MR. MCGOFF: Mrs. Gatelli?


           11                      MS. GATELLI: I received an answer


           12              last week when I spoke of Comcast and that


           13              we are not getting all of the channels and


           14              the TV guide is gone and they said that they


           15              did notify the customers and you can request


           16              a converter box to be put on your television


           17              and it digitizes the television and in


           18              addition to what you already receive as part


           19              of your basic cable you will also get the TV


           20              guide, 47 music channels as well as the On


           21              Demand channels which will be available to


           22              you at no extra cost.  The boxes will be


           23              free for one year from when you receive them


           24              and then $2.00 per month after the first


           25              year.  Comcast ran into problems because






            1              they didn't have enough boxes, so there is a


            2              waiting list and you can call 1-800-COMCAST


            3              and request this box to put on your


            4              television.


            5                      The next thing is there is a


            6              three-point shootout this Saturday,


            7              March 29, at the Holy Rosary Hall on Market


            8              Street.  It's a benefit for the Martin


            9              Knottenberg Tragedy Fund Organization.  The


           10              signups are for ten year olds and under,


           11              begins at eight in the morning, the event


           12              starts at nine with the youngest children


           13              competing first.  The age groups are ten and


           14              under, 12 and under, 14 and under and 15 and


           15              over.  They will have basket raffles and a


           16              football signed by Mike Munchank.  Last year


           17              they raised over $7,000 and helped 14


           18              families cope with tragedies on the


           19              Christmas holidays.  You can call 347-0808


           20              to participate and make a denotation.


           21                      I'd like to thank everyone that


           22              helped at the Easter egg hunt.  We had over


           23              100 children at Connell Park.  Helpers were


           24              Doug Hein, Jeff White, Doug Miller, the


           25              South Side Jets organization and the South






            1              Side Residents Association so it was very


            2              nice and the kids really had a good time.


            3              It was a little muddy, but they managed to


            4              pull through it.


            5                      This week at the Broadway Theatre is


            6              the Rat Pack, Dean Martin, Frank Sinatra,


            7              and I don't know the rest, Joey Biship, and


            8              it's Friday at 8, Saturday at 2 and 8 and


            9              Sunday at 2 and 7.  And also on Saturday


           10              morning which is great owe program for the


           11              kids, I take my grandsons and they really


           12              enjoy it, this week they are having the "Ant


           13              and the Grasshopper" and that's at 11:00


           14              upstairs on the third floor in the Cultural


           15              Center.


           16                      I'd like to congratulate one of our


           17              students at West Scranton High School,


           18              Lennie Venchuquera, he was student of the


           19              week in the Scranton Times this past week.


           20                   I'd like to ask you to please pray for


           21              my friend that we prayed for last week that


           22              was very ill, he had passed away, John


           23              D'Angelo.  He was a great teacher in the


           24              Scranton School District and he will be


           25              sorely missed and he did hear us pray for






            1              him and his funeral -- and he was very happy


            2              that we had mentioned him name, so we buried


            3              him this morning and please continue to pray


            4              for everyone that's suffering in our


            5              community and everyone that has died.


            6                      I'd like to send a letter to Neil


            7              Alteiri, for those of who don't know him he


            8              is a barber over on Spruce Street.  I had


            9              the boys there for their hair cuts and he


           10              told me that on February 6 he had been in


           11              business for 40 years on Spruce Street


           12              cutting hair for people, so if you would


           13              oblige me I'd like to send a letter of


           14              congratulations for being, you know, a


           15              business owner in Scranton for 40 years.


           16              It's quite an accomplishment, and he is not


           17              a bad barber either.


           18                      They are doing a project over in


           19              South Side for those of you that travel from


           20              South Side to West Side in the morning or


           21              any other time right by Mr. Z's, the bridge


           22              is closed.  They are replacing pipes,


           23              utility pipes, and they probably will be


           24              there for the rest of the week, so try to


           25              avoid the bridge going over to the Eynon






            1              Street viaduct.  It is a very, very big


            2              inconvenience and it took me 35 minutes to


            3              get home today which usually takes me about


            4              six minutes, so try to leave ahead of time


            5              because it's really backed up.


            6                      Chris Bavelin, I got some calls on


            7              Chris Bavelin, and the bridge is in the


            8              design phase.  It is going to be replaced.


            9              It is being paid for by FEMA and it is in


           10              the design phase so it will take a little


           11              more time.


           12                      I asked Kay to please call the


           13              Single Tax Office from questions I had last


           14              week and she did call and we asked what name


           15              was on the account.  The answer was,


           16              "The Single Tax Office."  And we asked who


           17              made the deposits and I was told the


           18              employees, and that's all they would tell


           19              Kay, so we did follow-up with a letter from


           20              myself as the finance chair.


           21                      I also, in addition to what


           22              Mrs. Evans made a motion for tonight,


           23              someone told me that the solicitor from the


           24              tax office was present at the school board


           25              meeting and gave some remarks and some






            1              comments about what was going on and I'd


            2              like to make a motion to invite him here


            3              since we will be the recipient I think of


            4              the bulk of that money that if he went to


            5              the school board I'm sure that he would have


            6              no problem coming here and discussing that


            7              with city council, so if everyone would


            8              agree we would send a letter and have the


            9              solicitor meet with council to discuss the


           10              problems of the tax office.  Thank you very


           11              much.


           12                      And the last thing is we will be


           13              having our drama, our musical, at West


           14              Scranton High School this year it's "Charlie


           15              and the Chocolate Factory" and it will be


           16              April 18, 19 and 20, $3.00 prepaid and $5.00


           17              at the door, and that's all I have.  Thank


           18              you very much.


           19                      MR. MCGOFF: Mrs. Fanucci?


           20                      MS. FANUCCI:  I actually only have


           21              one issue, I think everyone will be happy to


           22              know that finally Southern Union, as we have


           23              read, has been sold and I think in this


           24              forum we can finally say thank you, God,


           25              because it seems to have been something that






            1              was brought up every single week.  I just


            2              want to thank Mr. Donovan for believing in


            3              the city and putting his money in the city.


            4              A lot of times it's easy to say and


            5              criticize, but for someone who is actually


            6              believing in us and I just want to thank


            7              him.  And also want to put a little bit of a


            8              misrumor on why his other building has not


            9              been underway, he has been waiting for the


           10              Lackawanna bridge to be finished before he


           11              puts that other -- that other project into


           12              spin, so I just want to thank him and


           13              hopefully the businesses that come here will


           14              bring some jobs which we desperately need


           15              and maybe some better jobs I should say, and


           16              I think it's a wonderful thing finally the


           17              white elephant as it's been termed here week


           18              after week is finally gone, although, it was


           19              a private building, it was not ours, but I'm


           20              just happy to see that progress is still


           21              taking place, and that is all I have.  Thank


           22              you.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF: Mr. Courtright.


           24                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Just to stay with


           25              Sherry there for a minute, I'm glad that it






            1              was somebody local --


            2                      MS. FANUCCI: Me, too.


            3                      MR. COURTRIGHT: -- that bought the


            4              building, it just makes she feel a little


            5              bit better about it and Mrs. Fanucci is 100


            6              percent correct, I had talked to Mr. Donovan


            7              on many occasions I just -- I really like


            8              that building that he has near the bridge


            9              down there and that was the reason for him


           10              not going forward is he has had several


           11              chain restaurants or larger restaurants


           12              offer to go into that building, but they


           13              didn't want to start renovating it and then


           14              all of sudden they start repairing the


           15              bridge and being a new business thing, so


           16              that's definitely why he hasn't gone forward


           17              with that, I've talked with him on many


           18              occasions.


           19                      Mr. Powell was here earlier talking


           20              about the meeting that they are having back


           21              at the Keyser Valley Community Center, I


           22              don't think Mr. Skantos nor anyone else need


           23              be afraid of getting yelled at or anything


           24              at that meeting.  I have been to a couple of


           25              Mary Alice's meetings, she doesn't allow






            1              them to get out of control.  You start


            2              getting out of control she starts yelling


            3              and kind of calms down, so I think you will


            4              okay, Mr. Skantos, if you decide to go to


            5              that meeting.


            6                      I don't know how we would do this, I


            7              don't think we need to do this at a city


            8              council meeting, I think a lot of the


            9              questions that have come here since I have


           10              been sitting here are about OECD, OECD


           11              projects, OECD money, if somehow if


           12              Mrs. Aebli could hold a meeting, I'm not


           13              saying at a city council meeting, because I


           14              just think it would take too long, to use


           15              these chambers and hold a meeting to explain


           16              to the public, you know, how the process


           17              works.  I have had a lot of things explained


           18              to me and I just don't feel that I would


           19              translate that good enough to make you


           20              understand it, some of it are really


           21              complicated, but maybe she would be able to


           22              come here and set a date and time and she


           23              could announce and she could sit up here and


           24              explain, I don't if she would want to go


           25              through a question and answer, probably not,






            1              but if she didn't just explain from when a


            2              project starts and take it through it's


            3              entire time and what happens if they


            4              default, and just the whole nine yards


            5              because a bulk of the questions that we get


            6              are about 0ECD and 0ECD money.  It seems


            7              sometimes like OECD money is the only thing


            8              keeping this city afloat, that and


            9              borrowing.


           10                      And I always try to get back on


           11              saying good about the employees in this


           12              city, one guy that I neglected over the


           13              years and I think there has been more than


           14              one that has sat in that office is the


           15              animal control officer, Shawn Lavoe.  He


           16              responds quicker than just about I ever had


           17              to asked to do something for me in this


           18              city, so he responded to a cat problem that


           19              Kay called him for me and within minutes,


           20              back in the Keyser Valley section, so,


           21              Shawn, I would just like to thank you for


           22              all you do.  I think there should be more


           23              than one of you and I think it's probably


           24              the most undesirable job in this city, and


           25              that's all I have.  Thank you.






            1                      MR. MCGOFF: Just to catch up on a


            2              couple of things, Mrs. Schumacher asked


            3              about the money for the firefighters'


            4              memorial and I will look into that.  I


            5              believe that the money is still there and


            6              that the actual plans for the memorial have


            7              been expanded which is why the Junior


            8              Council has taken on a fundraiser to


            9              supplement the money that was put aside, but


           10              I believe that the plans are still there for


           11              the firefighters' memorial.  I think that


           12              they have been altered somewhat in terms of


           13              where it was going to be placed, thus


           14              prolonging the process a little bit, but


           15              just I will look for an update for you, but


           16              I'm pretty sure that this is the case.


           17                      MS. GATELLI: That's the reason.


           18                      MR. MCGOFF: Mrs. Garvey, do we have


           19              anyone, and I'm going to put you on the spot


           20              here for a second, do we have anyone coming


           21              for a caucus next week --


           22                      MS. GARVEY: No.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF: -- that you know?  It


           24              was brought up tonight about ECTV and


           25              Channel 61, I'm going to ask if council






            1              members would perhaps arrive a little bit


            2              early so that we can talk about ECTV and the


            3              oversight committee and any other provisions


            4              so that we can keep public access channel


            5              open and also look into the committee that


            6              we can do that next week during caucus; and


            7              also, Mr. Courtright did and I did ask last


            8              week, and I forgot about it myself, for


            9              members to the oversight committee that


           10              perhaps next week we can finalize that a


           11              little bit and perhaps talk about provisions


           12              of what the motion would be to create the


           13              committee.


           14                      And, again, during the process


           15              perhaps if any of us can get information


           16              concerning the status of Channel 61 and how


           17              it's going to be -- how the transition will


           18              take place and when it will take place.  And


           19              somebody did mention the Voter Registration,


           20              I just happened to or voting in the primary,


           21              I just happened catch on the news that in


           22              Luzerne County they had somewhere over 3,000


           23              new registrations during, you know, prior to


           24              today or yesterday I guess was the last day,


           25              prior to yesterday for new registrations.  I






            1              don't know what the numbers were in


            2              Lackawanna County, but certainly this


            3              primary election has generated a great deal


            4              of interest and hopefully that interest will


            5              carry over to the future elections and those


            6              people that registered for this election as


            7              new registrants will continue to vote and


            8              continue to stay on the voting roles.


            9                      I did want to just mention that


           10              there was some I guess some criticism of the


           11              controller's office, the city controller's


           12              office not conducting the audits and I


           13              mentioned it last week, I really believe


           14              that the Home Rule Charter was probably very


           15              well-intended, I don't know the reasons why


           16              the audits have not been conducted since


           17              2004 I believe was the last one, but I do


           18              think that it is a task beyond the city


           19              controller to do alone and certainly I think


           20              it, again, needs to be a collective venture


           21              between the or among the three taxing bodies


           22              and, as I said last week, I think that we


           23              should look into that for the future.


           24                      And another mention was made about


           25              the $12 million that was -- or some mention






            1              was made of money from the Single Tax Office


            2              that was being kept.  The account is being


            3              held in Fidelity Bank and I was called and


            4              just wanted to clarify what was said about


            5              the interest on that money.  Over the course


            6              since 2005, it has averaged --


            7              money deposited at Fidelity Bank by the


            8              Single Tax Office has averaged around


            9              3.68 percent while it is in that account,


           10              and in 2007 somewhere around $790,000 in


           11              interest was accrued on accounts through the


           12              Single Tax Office.  They just wanted people


           13              to be aware of that, that it was not added


           14              at an extremely low interest rate, but that


           15              it was at market rates that had been


           16              established through, and I forget the


           17              procedure, but it was based on market


           18              interest rates.


           19                      And the last thing, I'm sorry that


           20              my analogy was not adequate, I'll try better


           21              or I'll try and do better in the future with


           22              my analogies.


           23                      And the meeting with OECD, perhaps


           24              what we -- for lack of a better term perhaps


           25              we could conduct something of a town meeting






            1              with the staff at OECD, that perhaps I could


            2              look into when they might be willing to do


            3              this and advertise so that, you know, people


            4              can be more aware of what they do and how


            5              their business is conducted and let's see


            6              what it is that they would be willing to do


            7              in terms of question and answer or


            8              presentation and I think that's a good idea.


            9              And that is all I have.  Thank you.


           10                      MS. GARVEY: FIFTH ORDER.  NO


           11              BUSINESS AT THIS TIME.


           12                      SIXTH ORDER.  NO BUSINESS AT THIS


           13              TIME.  SEVENTH ORDER.  7-A.  FOR




           15              FOR ADOPTION - FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 16, 2008




           17              ACCOUNT NO. 02.229588 ENTITLED, "CITY OF








           21              DEVELOPMENT (DCED) FOR THE CITY OF SCRANTON


           22              ARSON TASK FORCE.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF: What is the


           24              recommendation of the Chairperson for the


           25              Committee on Finance?






            1                      MS. FANUCCI:  As Chairperson for the


            2              Committee on Finance I recommend -- I'm


            3              reading the DCED one.  Go ahead.


            4                      MS. GATELLI: As chair for the


            5              Committee on Finance, I recommend final


            6              passage of Item 7-A.


            7                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.


            8                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?  Roll


            9              call, please.


           10                      MS. MAGNOTTA: Mrs. Evans.


           11                      MS. EVANS:  Yes.


           12                      MS. MAGNOTTA: Mrs. Gatelli.


           13                      MS. GATELLI.  Yes.


           14                      MS. MAGNOTTA: Mrs. Fanucci.


           15                      MS. FANUCCI:  Yes.


           16                      MS. MAGNOTTA: Mr. Courtright.


           17                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Yes.


           18                      MS. MAGNOTTA: Mr. McGoff.


           19                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes.  I hereby declare


           20              Item 7-A legally and lawfully adopted.


           21                      MS. GARVEY: 7-B. FOR CONSIDERATION


           22              BY THE COMMITTEE ON FINANCE FOR ADOPTION -


           23              FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 17, 2008 - AUTHORIZING


           24              THE MAYOR AND OTHER APPROPRIATE CITY












            3              FOR THE CITY OF SCRANTON ARSON TASK FORCE.


            4                      MR. MCGOFF: Mrs. Gatelli, as the


            5              Chairperson for the Committee on Finance,


            6              what is your recommendation?


            7                      MS. GATELLI:  As Chair for the


            8              Committee on Finance, I recommend final


            9              passage of 7-B.


           10                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.


           11                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question.  Roll


           12              call, please.


           13                      MS. MAGNOTTA: Mrs. Evans.


           14                      MS. EVANS:  Yes.


           15                      MS. MAGNOTTA: Mrs. Gatelli.


           16                      MS. GATELLI.  Yes.


           17                      MS. MAGNOTTA: Mrs. Fanucci.


           18                      MS. FANUCCI:  Yes.


           19                      MS. MAGNOTTA: Mr. Courtright.


           20                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Yes.


           21                      MS. MAGNOTTA: Mr. McGoff.


           22                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes.  I hereby declare


           23              Item 7-B legally and lawfully adopted.


           24                      MS. GARVEY: 7-C. FOR CONSIDERATION


           25              BY THE COMMITTEE ON FINANCE FOR ADOPTION -






            1              FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 18, 2008 - AUTHORIZING


            2              THE MAYOR AND OTHER APPROPRIATE CITY




            4              AND DISBURSE GRANT FUNDS FROM U.S.




            6                      MR. MCGOFF: What is the


            7              recommendation of the Chairperson for the


            8              Committee on Finance?


            9                      MS. GATELLI: As Chair for the


           10              Committee on Finance I recommend final


           11              passage of 7-C.


           12                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question.  Roll


           14              call, please.


           15                      MS. MAGNOTTA: Mrs. Evans.


           16                      MS. EVANS:  Yes.


           17                      MS. MAGNOTTA: Mrs. Gatelli.


           18                      MS. GATELLI.  Yes.


           19                      MS. MAGNOTTA: Mrs. Fanucci.


           20                      MS. FANUCCI:  Yes.


           21                      MS. MAGNOTTA: Mr. Courtright.


           22                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Yes.


           23                      MS. MAGNOTTA: Mr. McGoff.


           24                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes.  I hereby declare


           25              Item 7-C legally and lawfully adopted.






            1                      MS. GARVEY: 7-D. FOR CONSIDERATION


            2              BY THE COMMITTEE ON RULES FOR ADOPTION -


            3              FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 19, 2008 - AUTHORIZING




            5              THE CITY OF SCRANTON TO ENTER INTO LEASE




            7              TEENER LEAGUE, MISS-E LEAGUES, AND JUNIOR








           11              MISS-E LEAGUE, AND JUNIOR AND/OR MIDGET




           13              PERIOD COMMENCING APRIL 15, 2008 AND ENDING


           14              APRIL 14, 2011.


           15                      MR. MCGOFF: As Chairperson for the


           16              Committee on Rules, I recommend final


           17              passage of Item 7-D.


           18                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Second.


           19                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?  Roll


           20              call, please.


           21                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.


           22                      MS. MAGNOTTA: Mrs. Evans.


           23                      MS. EVANS:  Yes.


           24                      MS. MAGNOTTA: Mrs. Gatelli.


           25                      MS. GATELLI.  Yes.






            1                      MS. MAGNOTTA: Mrs. Fanucci.


            2                      MS. FANUCCI:  Yes.


            3                      MS. MAGNOTTA: Mr. Courtright.


            4                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Yes.


            5                      MS. MAGNOTTA: Mr. McGoff.


            6                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes.  I hereby declare


            7              Item 7-D legally and lawfully adopted.


            8                      MS. GARVEY: 7-E. FOR CONSIDERATION




           10              FOR ADOPTION - FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 20. 2008


           11              - AMENDING FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 49, 2006,


           12              ENTITLED, "AN ORDINANCE AUTHORIZING THE




           14              CITY OF SCRANTON TO TAKE ALL NECESSARY






           17              DEVELOPMENT PROGRAMS (AS AMENDED) TO BE




           19              GRANT (CDBG) PROGRAM, HOME INVESTMENT




           21              SHELTER GRANT (ESG) PROGRAM", BY


           22              TRANSFERRING $239,156.45 FROM PROJECT NO.


           23              95-003.2 AND $74,470.75 FROM PROJECT NO.


           24              01-026 AND $30,000.00 FROM PROJECT NO.


           25              01-96,1 and $85.82 FROM PROJECT NO. 05-215






            1              AND $56,286.98 FROM PROJECT NO. 05-15 TO


            2              PROJECT NO. 07-19 PURCHASE OF A FIRE TRUCK.


            3                      MR. MCGOFF: What the recommendation


            4              of the Chairperson for the Committee on


            5              Community Development.


            6                      MS. FANUCCI: As Chair for the


            7              Committee on Community Development, I


            8              recommend final passage of Item 7-E.


            9                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.


           10                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?  Roll


           11              call, please.


           12                      MS. MAGNOTTA: Mrs. Evans.


           13                      MS. EVANS:  Yes.


           14                      MS. MAGNOTTA: Mrs. Gatelli.


           15                      MS. GATELLI.  Yes.


           16                      MS. MAGNOTTA: Ms. Fanucci.


           17                      MS. FANUCCI:  Yes.


           18                      MS. MAGNOTTA: Mr. Courtright.


           19                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Yes.


           20                      MS. MAGNOTTA:  Mr. McGoff.


           21                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes.  I hereby declare


           22              Item 7-E legally and lawfully adopted.  I


           23              take a motion for adjournment?


           24                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  So moved.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.








            2                      C E R T I F I C A T E




            4        I hereby certify that the proceedings and


            5   evidence are contained fully and accurately in the


            6   notes of testimony taken by me at the hearing of the


            7   above-captioned matter and that the foregoing is a true


            8   and correct transcript of the same to the best of my


            9   ability.







                                    CATHENE S. NARDOZZI

           13                       OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER