2             SCRANTON CITY COUNCIL MEETING








            6                          HELD:




            8                 Tuesday, March 11, 2008




           10                        LOCATION:


           11                    Council Chambers


           12                   Scranton City Hall


           13                340 North Washington Avenue


           14                  Scranton, Pennsylvania





















                            CATHENE S. NARDOZZI- COURT REPORTER






















                MS. JANET E. EVANS



           10   MS. SHERRY FANUCCI



                MR. WILLIAM COURTRIGHT



           13   MS. KAY GARVEY, CITY CLERK






           16   MR. AMIL MINORA, SOLICITOR
























            1   (Pledge of Allegiance recited and moment of reflection


            2   observed.)


            3                      MR. MCGOFF:  Roll call.


            4                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.


            5                      MS. EVANS:  Here.


            6                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. Courtright.


            7                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Here.


            8                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.


            9                      MS. FANUCCI:  Here.


           10                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Gatelli.


           11                      MS. GATELLI: Here.


           12                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF:  Here.  Dispense with


           14              the reading of the minutes.


           15                      MS. GARVEY: THIRD ORDER.  NO


           16              BUSINESS AT THIS TIME.


           17                      MR. MCGOFF: Prior to citizens'


           18              participation, if anyone has any


           19              announcements, any council members have any


           20              announcements to make?  Please.


           21                      MS. EVANS: I'd like to congratulate


           22              Jason Dominic, Scranton High School wrestler


           23              for achieving his 100th career win and for


           24              being the first in Scranton High School's


           25              history to win a medal in wrestling at state






            1              level competition.  Also, I'd like to


            2              congratulate Scranton High School girl's


            3              basketball team who made it into the elite


            4              eight, unfortunately, we lost our game on


            5              Friday night, but still the team is


            6              outstanding and went farther than has ever


            7              been accomplished before and so I would ask


            8              my colleagues if we could bring in the


            9              Scranton High girl's varsity basketball team


           10              for a proclamation and Jason Dominic as


           11              well.


           12                      MS. FANUCCI: Of course.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF:  Fine by me.


           14                      MS. EVANS: Wonderful.  Kay, I'll get


           15              all of the information for you.  Thank you.


           16                      MR. MCGOFF: FOURTH ORDER.  CITIZENS'


           17              PARTICIPATION.  Doug Miller.


           18                      MR. MILLER: Good evening, Council,


           19              Doug Miller, president of the Junior City


           20              Council.  On behalf of Junior Council I am


           21              pleased to announce that our council has


           22              organized a charity basketball game between


           23              the Scranton police and firemen tentatively


           24              scheduled for Friday, April 4, beginning at


           25              7:00 p.m. at Scranton High School.  Tickets






            1              are $3.00 each and all proceeds will benefit


            2              a police and firefighters' memorial.  More


            3              details will be announced next Tuesday.


            4                      I would like to share a few thoughts


            5              on the city's smoking ordinance as well as


            6              the future of this ordinance.  Last week


            7              Mr. Talimini expressed his concern over the


            8              city's smoking ordinance and that he would


            9              like to see the city move onto other issues


           10              that have more of an impact on our


           11              residents.  I beg to differ with


           12              Mr. Talimini.  This issue has the most


           13              impact on our residents because this deals


           14              with the health and safety of our residents.


           15              Over a year ago students from West Scranton


           16              High School came before this council and


           17              proposed a ban on smoking with the


           18              intentions of protecting our city and


           19              residents.  This proposal was supported by


           20              the majority of council, the mayor and many


           21              other city officials.  Unfortunately,


           22              challenges were made against our ordinance


           23              and we can no longer enforce this ban.


           24                   However, we have now put pressure and


           25              the state to step up and enact a






            1              comprehensive statewide smoking ban.  This


            2              issue is certainly being discussed in the


            3              house and senate of our Commonwealth.  A


            4              bill that would put limitations on smoking


            5              all across the state has the support from


            6              Representative Shimkus and many other state


            7              legislators, but as in any other proposed


            8              bill there is opposition.  Senator Bob


            9              Mellow has not made a commitment to


           10              supporting a smoking ban in our state.


           11              Recently many ad campaigns have asked


           12              Senator Mellow to support a ban on smoking.


           13              I believe it is the job of the elected


           14              official to listen to the public and


           15              85 percent of Pennsylvanians want a


           16              comprehensive smoking ban passed.


           17                      So, I would ask tonight that council


           18              make a motion to send a letter to Senator


           19              Bob Mellow and other state representatives


           20              in the area asking them to listen to the


           21              majority and support a statewide smoking


           22              ban.  The time to act is now.


           23                      Yesterday, Scranton had the


           24              privilege of hosting Senator Hillary Clinton


           25              at a rally at Scranton High School.  This






            1              event marked the first campaign stop for


            2              Mrs. Clinton and Pennsylvania has now become


            3              a key state in determining the democratic


            4              nominee.  Ian Miller and I were proud to


            5              represent Junior Council at this event.


            6              Junior Council understands the importance of


            7              this election and that our future is hanging


            8              in the balance.  For two years we have


            9              encouraged young adults to become more


           10              involved in their government and I believe


           11              we have done a good job in accomplishing


           12              that mission.


           13                      Last week council discussed getting


           14              students to register to vote.  You know, at


           15              Scranton High it's the PTA that gives


           16              students the opportunity to register and at


           17              West Scranton High School my fellow


           18              classmates and I had mail-in registration


           19              forms distributed to students throughout the


           20              school.  On behalf Of Junior Council, I


           21              strongly recommend that students get out and


           22              vote.


           23                      Finally, I would like to comment on


           24              the setting of yesterday's event.  Scranton


           25              High School hosted the event the High School






            1              Principal Brian McGraw began the rally by


            2              making a few openings remarks.  He


            3              recognized our city's elementary schools,


            4              our middle schools and Scranton High School.


            5              He read a list of the school's


            6              accomplishments and declared his school the


            7              campus of champions.


            8                      While he may give credit to his


            9              school, there is another high school across


           10              town that he failed to recognize, West


           11              Scranton High School and as a student and


           12              resident of West Side I was totally ashamed.


           13              West Scranton has a track record of being


           14              successful and building fewer leaders.  Our


           15              school has many accomplishments that I could


           16              read, but I would need more than five


           17              minutes to read them.  The disrespect


           18              towards West starts here at council when two


           19              weeks ago when the back to back District II


           20              West Scranton Invader football team was here


           21              to receive the proclamation of this council


           22              a member of this council touted Scranton


           23              High's accomplishments in front of their


           24              team, their family and friends.  Many


           25              westsiders were very disappointed and






            1              believed that their men deserved to be


            2              treated better.


            3                      You can declare yourself the campus


            4              of champions, but there is only one true


            5              saying around here, West is best.  Thank


            6              you.


            7                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Douglas.


            8              Andy Sbaraglia.


            9                      MR. SBARAGLIA: Andy Sbaraglia,


           10              citizen of Scranton.  Fellow Scrantonians, I


           11              usually talk on agenda items, but as you can


           12              see the agenda is very lame in this session


           13              so I'd like to do a little recap.


           14              Mrs. Fanucci stated that she only knew


           15              Whistles was in default, but we all know the


           16              hotel Hilton was in default for millions of


           17              dollars.


           18                      MS. FANUCCI:  That's right.


           19                      MR. SBARAGLIA: So that's just one


           20              and we forgave a loan to I think it was 501


           21              South Washington Avenue, we forgave that


           22              loan, whether they would have went into


           23              default or not I do not know but we forgave


           24              the loan so they wouldn't be in default.


           25                      MS. FANUCCI: Who was that, do you






            1              know?


            2                      MR. SBARAGLIA: Ask your lawyer


            3              because me and him went around on that many


            4              times.


            5                      MS. FANUCCI: Okay.


            6                      MR. SBARAGLIA: And the loan was


            7              forgiven.  So, we start it.  Mrs. Gatelli


            8              said she wouldn't vote for any borrowing,


            9              but yet when we voted the budget in there is


           10              a ten million borrowing attached to it so,


           11              hence, you all voted for another $10 million


           12              of borrowing, so forth and so on.


           13                      You got the amusement tax, I haven't


           14              seen it come forward yet, but I assume from


           15              what Attorney Minora said it would apply to


           16              the churches, too, to all nonprofits and a


           17              church definitely is a nonprofit so any kind


           18              of an outdoor facility they have falls under


           19              this ordinance and since it's in the budget


           20              you can't change it because we couldn't even


           21              petition against it, that's the reason why


           22              all of these things are in the budget, why


           23              that ungodly tax on the poor people for not


           24              paying their -- able to pay your taxes and


           25              as you know if you read the papers the






            1              country is really in bad shape and there is


            2              a lot more people than ain't going to be


            3              able to pay their taxes and the people who


            4              proposed this knew that.  They knew exactly


            5              what they were doing and that's why they did


            6              it.  Nothing happens by accident, everything


            7              is planned in advance.


            8                      There was a good article about Wall


            9              Street West in the paper and you had the


           10              different entities coming in, I think one


           11              with was over there in the Oppenheim


           12              building, the other one is down there in the


           13              old incubator and there's $25 million up for


           14              grabs and that's one of the reasons they are


           15              really interested in it.  Now, whether


           16              anything comes out of it I have no idea, but


           17              there is money available from that program


           18              and I don't know if the article stated that


           19              University was doing a little on currency


           20              exchange.  Now, whether that was going to be


           21              paid out of that fund I do not know or even


           22              how far into this thing it's going to be


           23              because if you move another center from Wall


           24              Street West somewhere in the Poconos or


           25              somewhere in this area there's a lot






            1              involved and let's hope New York never gets


            2              bombed.  I really -- 9-11 has stuck in all


            3              of us and I never want to see that again


            4              happen, but there is a lot of things even


            5              with that that happened.  All of the people


            6              that was in on 9-11 and really tried to


            7              clean up that area and look for bones and so


            8              forth and so on they kept them working long


            9              after they knew there would be no bodies


           10              found, no one alive anyway, just to get at


           11              the vaults, gold.  That was the only reason,


           12              the day they hit that gold vault they


           13              stopped digging so this is how the


           14              government cares.


           15                      You are in trouble today.  You are


           16              in trouble everywhere.  The government is


           17              becoming our enemy whether we want it or


           18              not.  The government is no longer on the


           19              side of the people, they are on the side of


           20              special interests and even if the city


           21              special interests really, really have the


           22              upper hand on the city.  You are going to


           23              have to pass taxes, increasing tax, more


           24              increasing taxes on the people of Scranton


           25              and the reason why is all of the give






            1              always, all of the KOZ's, all of this, all


            2              that, whatever happened and in the end it


            3              really isn't going to matter because it's


            4              not going to work.  It hasn't worked, it


            5              will not work.  I mean, you can put all of


            6              the restaurants you want downtown it ain't


            7              going to make much of a difference.  You


            8              need jobs.  This is what's wrong with the


            9              country today.  Thank you.


           10                      MR. MCGOFF: Ozzie Quinn.


           11                      MR. QUINN:  Ozzie Quinn, property


           12              owner and member of the Taxpayers'


           13              Association.  Let Mayor Doherty stump -- did


           14              a little squeezing here today when Hillary


           15              announced that her husband left office they


           16              had -- didn't have a deficit, you know, and


           17              she said that when Bush come in now they


           18              have a deficit and so it reminded me like


           19              when Connors left it was the same thing


           20              happened, it was like déjà vu and here we


           21              are again with this big debt here and that's


           22              what I want to address tonight; and being


           23              critical of the situation, you know, which I


           24              am as a Taxpayers' Association president, we


           25              have to be because it has gotten out of hand






            1              and it's got to a point now that we have to


            2              look for ways that we are going to pay off


            3              this debt or we are going to be doing this


            4              for a lifetime our great grandchildren,


            5              okay?


            6                      Now, as the finance chairperson,


            7              Mrs. Gatelli, you weren't here last week and


            8              I spoke about Park Gardens and I suggested


            9              the possibility that there start to be a


           10              line of communication made between the


           11              housing authority and the city regarding the


           12              possibly selling the Park Gardens for the


           13              sale proceeds and also additional revenue


           14              every year would be in continuity of taxes


           15              coming into the city and, you know, because


           16              we have to get out of this debt, you know.


           17              The other thing is there here, and I spoke


           18              about it many times is this House Bill 1275,


           19              the property tax elimination which is still


           20              hanging out there and none of our


           21              legislators seem to be backing it and around


           22              the state they are, 26 associations,


           23              taxpayers' association over 10,000 members


           24              are backing it and it would eliminate the


           25              property tax, which is great, 58 percent of






            1              your tax bill.  It would eliminate 1 percent


            2              of the wage tax, it would bring it down to


            3              two and a quarter percent and it would


            4              eliminate the amount of money that the


            5              school board is in debt and that's over


            6              $200 million.


            7                      And, actually, there isn't any


            8              increase in any taxes.  What happens is the


            9              sales tax is expanded.  Attorney Minora


           10              wouldn't like it because one of the things


           11              is it's expanded to put a sale's tax on


           12              attorney's fees and so on and like that, and


           13              so there are a lot of attorneys in the House


           14              of Representatives, but it's one way of


           15              getting at some of the taxpayers' problems


           16              in the city and that's that wage tax and


           17              that hurts with our economic development.


           18                   The other thing is when you talk about


           19              is House Bill 2018 which you had a public


           20              hearing on last week and that's called the


           21              Tax Exempt Property Municipal Assistance


           22              Act, and what is that, okay?  That is what


           23              we are talking about the Johnstown flood,


           24              the 18 percent that was going on since 1936


           25              with the wine, okay, they are taking in over






            1              240 million dollars in taxes every year and


            2              there is a bill that was introduced by a


            3              representative from out in York and


            4              cosponsored by one in North Hampton and


            5              actually what it does if you have properties


            6              that are tax exempt, you have over


            7              17 percent of your properties are tax


            8              exempt, you would be eligible for this


            9              money.


           10                      Now, Scranton, okay, 22 percent of


           11              the properties are exempt so Scranton would


           12              be eligible under this here and Scranton


           13              would be able to get 2 million dollars a


           14              year windfall every year, okay?  Again,


           15              nothing on the state representatives.  If


           16              you people would get behind these two bills


           17              and push them, please.


           18                      MS. GATELLI:  We did.


           19                      MR. QUINN:  So, these are ways that


           20              you can start to get some revenue in and,


           21              you know, it's something that we would be


           22              getting all the time, I mean, we would be


           23              getting this revenue from Johnstown flood.


           24              We would be getting the Park Gardens revenue


           25              coming in every month plus the original






            1              sale, okay.  And, please, I'm not here just


            2              to hear myself talk.  I hope that you will


            3              listen, please, and I'm not here, you know,


            4              to criticize about, but we are a problem and


            5              I'm trying to offer ways and things that we


            6              can do, okay?


            7                      Now, you know, I think I sent out a


            8              letter on February 5 and another letter on


            9              February 12 to the OECD Right to Know for


           10              that money that is surplus and projects and


           11              that the UDAG's and they said there isn't


           12              any money there, you know, and unequivocally


           13              I'm all for that fire truck, okay, I hope


           14              you get a hook and ladder, you know, and


           15              what I want to do is the fact that when you


           16              look at here, one moment, please, $350,000


           17              is taken from other projects, okay, and they


           18              are telling me there is no money over there.


           19                   Now, they are trying to make a fool out


           20              of me and I don't like that and I don't


           21              appreciate it, okay, and it's not very


           22              transparent what they are doing and it's not


           23              ethical and it's corrupt and we don't like


           24              it here, the taxpayers in the City of


           25              Scranton.  Thank you.






            1                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr. Quinn.


            2                      MS. EVANS: Mr. Quinn, if I may just


            3              address very quickly the issue that you


            4              mentioned HB2018, as soon as I became aware


            5              of that we discussed that at council and


            6              immediately in unanimous agreement sent


            7              letters to both state representatives and


            8              Senator Mellow requesting their full support


            9              of that bill and notifying them of the, you


           10              know, great boom it would for the City of


           11              Scranton and it's distressed status.


           12                      MR. QUINN:  That was when it was


           13              introduced, now it's actually out of


           14              committee and they had a public hearing on


           15              it, so I hope that you can do something with


           16              it, okay?


           17                      MS. EVANS: We'll work on it.


           18                      MR. QUINN: Thank you very much.


           19                      MS. GATELLI: Mr. McGoff, may I say


           20              something?


           21                      MR. MCGOFF: Yes.


           22                      MS. GATELLI: Mr. Quinn, just a


           23              suggestion about that OECD problem that you


           24              are having, there is a representative in


           25              Philadelphia that oversees the OECD






            1              Department so I would suggest that you get


            2              that name and send them the letters that you


            3              are sending over here.


            4                      MR. QUINN:  I have already talked to


            5              Steve Stein, thank you.


            6                      MS. GATELLI: Thank you.


            7                      MR. MCGOFF: Les Spindler.


            8                      MR. SPINDLER: Good evening, Council.


            9              Les Spindler, city resident.  First I have


           10              to clear the air about some comments made


           11              last week by Doug Miller.  He said several


           12              others have stated at this podium that we


           13              shouldn't be concerned about a memorial to


           14              honor our great men and women, rather we


           15              should be involved in their contract


           16              negotiations.  I don't know what anyone else


           17              said, but what I said was that the unions


           18              would rather a contract then a memorial.


           19              Not once did I refer to Junior Council,


           20              check the minutes.


           21                      He also directed a question to me


           22              saying, "Isn't it the job of a mayor,


           23              council and the unions to negotiate


           24              contracts?"


           25                      Well, you are half right, Doug.






            1              Council cannot negotiate contracts.  It's


            2              only up to the mayor and the mayor hasn't


            3              done his job in six years.  Not once has he


            4              sat down and negotiated with unions.  All he


            5              has done is cost the taxpayer billions in


            6              lost arbitrations.


            7                      Since I'm sure Chris Doherty will be


            8              at Hillary's -- by Hillary's side at the


            9              parade on Saturday maybe you can ask her for


           10              some advice on how to negotiate contracts,


           11              since she is a union supporter while our


           12              mayor is union buster.


           13                      Moving on, I think the idea that --


           14              the idea of an office park where Scranton


           15              Block was located is a terrible idea.  There


           16              are signs in windows all over downtown


           17              Scranton advertising office space, and also


           18              if office space is in such demand why is the


           19              Southern Union building still vacant?  Why


           20              don't we use what we have?


           21                      Next thing, I want to read a letter


           22              to the editor that I sent to the Doherty


           23              newsletter but part of it was deleted: "In


           24              response to the cartoon by John Cole in the


           25              Sunday Times of February 24, when I saw this






            1              cartoon I was outraged.  His degrading of


            2              the Scranton firefighters is an insult to


            3              them and an insult to the citizens and


            4              businesses of Scranton who these


            5              firefighters help to protect.  These brave


            6              people risk their lives every time they are


            7              called to a fire or to rescue a citizen who


            8              may be in peril.  While John Cole safely


            9              sits behind a desk drawing pictures.


           10                      While I understand Mr. Cole has


           11              every right to express his opinion with


           12              pictures, it is my opinion he should use


           13              more discretion in a case like this.  I am


           14              shocked your paper would let something like


           15              this be published and I'm asking for an


           16              apology for these heroes by Mr. Cole and the


           17              Lynett family."


           18                      Lastly, we have a treehouse at Nay


           19              Aug over $600,000, a bridge to no-where over


           20              $1 million, a long-term debt over


           21              $3 million, last week's city council meeting


           22              with Mrs. Fanucci absent, priceless.  Thank


           23              you.


           24                      MS. FANUCCI: I'll give you that one,


           25              Les.






            1                      MR. MCGOFF:  Thank you,


            2              Mr. Spindler.  Bill Jackowitz.


            3                      MR. JACKOWITZ: Good evening,


            4              Mr. President, Scranton City Council.  Bill


            5              Jackowitz, South Scranton, and member of the


            6              Taxpayers' Association.


            7                      I passed out the current


            8              unemployment rates for the Scranton/


            9              Wilkes-Barre metropolitan area.


           10              Unemployment rate is up 3/10 of a point for


           11              January 2008, and we are up to 5.7 percent,


           12              the national rate is 4.9 percent, the state


           13              rate is 4.8 percent respectively.  Again


           14              Scranton is showing a decline in jobs.  Yet


           15              the mayor and Austin Burke still mislead the


           16              citizens by telling the citizens that things


           17              are improving and they are working hard to


           18              improve the situation in Scranton.  The


           19              facts show that these statements are


           20              inaccurate.  The Scranton Times-Tribune


           21              needs to report the news and the truth about


           22              the deplorable economic situation in


           23              Scranton.  Print the truth, not visions and


           24              dreams.  Lackawanna County 5.7 percent


           25              unemployment rate.  That's Scranton, and






            1              that's not even an accurate rate because


            2              there are so many people, there are


            3              thousands of people who are not even counted


            4              anymore because they have been unemployed


            5              for so long they are not even counted, let's


            6              get the truth out, let's get he tell facts


            7              out and I hope council addresses this


            8              tonight in motions.


            9                      Okay.  I also passed out this


           10              institution on religion and public policy


           11              and they are going to have a convention here


           12              in August.  We are going to have foreign


           13              nationals come here and they are going to be


           14              here for three days.  I lived in five


           15              foreign countries.  I probably know more


           16              about foreign nationals then any of you five


           17              sitting up there because I've lived with


           18              them and I've dealt with them.  They are not


           19              going to come here to spend money, they are


           20              going to expect everything to be given to


           21              them and they are going to get it, so we


           22              really need to look at it.  Also, they are


           23              talking about building here, they may


           24              actually move here.  Well, if you read the


           25              pamphlet, and I hope you do, it's only four






            1              pages long, you are going to see that


            2              they're a nonprofit organization.  Do we


            3              need other nonprofit organizations moving


            4              into Scranton and raping us again?  No, we


            5              did not, so we need to really look at this.


            6                   Also, if you go to page three on the


            7              pamphlet that I gave you, you will see, "How


            8              we are funded."  Well, they are funded


            9              through donations, that's their main way of


           10              getting monies through donations.  Do we


           11              want these people walking around this city


           12              asking for donations plus getting the tax


           13              exempt because they are nonprofit


           14              organizations? I don't think so.


           15                      So we need to talk, you know, I have


           16              asked 100 times for Austin Burke, Chamber of


           17              Commerce, to attend a city council meeting,


           18              Miss Fanucci promised that he would be here


           19              in September of 2005, he hasn't showed up


           20              yet, I really think someone needs to get


           21              ahold of him, we need to talk about this


           22              because this city cannot afford this.  I


           23              fetch all of the information for city


           24              council like I always do.  When I come up


           25              here to talk I bring my information with me,






            1              I'm not afraid or ashamed to fetch like some


            2              people are, okay?


            3                      Now, I was glad to hear about Rescue


            4              1 truck.  The fire department is in dire


            5              need of equipment.  I proved that to you two


            6              weeks ago when I gave you a list of all of


            7              the equipment that they have, so we


            8              really -- I really appreciate this and I


            9              hope this Rescue 1 truck is approved and I


           10              hope that the fire department gets what they


           11              need because they need a lot of equipment


           12              and I'm really shocked -- I can't understand


           13              that, first of all, that a state doesn't


           14              require the fire department to have any


           15              standards or to have any policies, I find


           16              that -- I mean, is Pennsylvania that far


           17              behind?


           18                      You know, I've got 28 years of


           19              experience in security and law enforcement


           20              and in the military and I tell you what we


           21              didn't move without a policy or without a


           22              procedure and we got the city fire


           23              department and the fire departments in the


           24              state not doing this?  This is a very


           25              serious safety issue, and this issue needs






            1              to be addressed and for people to make


            2              statements such as, well, they have


            3              training, but they don't need any policies,


            4              I disagree with those statements completely.


            5              Anybody who is involved in any type of an


            6              emergency situation, rescue operation,


            7              recovery operation that provides for safety


            8              of the citizens, the primary responsibility


            9              of any elected official whether it be a


           10              councilman, a senator, a mayor, a president,


           11              is to provide for the safety and the


           12              protection of their citizens and I tell you


           13              what, that's not happening here in Scranton


           14              and that needs to be corrected, and just


           15              because you are a friend of somebody that


           16              does not make that person to be qualified to


           17              be in that position or be in that job and


           18              that's another problem that happens in this


           19              city.


           20                      It's happened year after year after


           21              year, that's why Scranton has been


           22              distressed for 16 years.  That's why we have


           23              the highest unemployment rate in the city or


           24              in the state and we are above the national


           25              average every single month, why?  Because






            1              friends get jobs, family members get jobs,


            2              it doesn't matter if they are qualify and


            3              Councilwoman Fanucci even said that months


            4              ago.  Qualifications and standards don't


            5              mean anything.  I disagree with you, it


            6              means everything.  We need to get our act


            7              together and get it together right now.


            8                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you,


            9              Mr. Jackowitz.  I apologize, the next name


           10              on the list is James Hoffa.  If, in fact he


           11              is speaking, Stacy, you've got a real story


           12              there, but I didn't know if there was


           13              someone named James Hoffa that did want to


           14              speak.  Nick Boyle.  No?  Elliott Syzkowski.


           15                      MR. SYZKOWSKI: Hello, my name is


           16              Elliott Syzkowski and I'm a sophomore at


           17              West Scranton High School.  I have come here


           18              tonight to ask you to support a


           19              comprehensive smoking ban in Pennsylvania.


           20              I ask you to urge Senator Mellow to push for


           21              a comprehensive smoking ban.  Over


           22              50 percent of Americans are covered by a


           23              smoking ban, why not Pennsylvania?  Why is


           24              it that every state surrounding Pennsylvania


           25              gets to breathe clean air, but we don't?  In






            1              Pennsylvania there are about 860,000 people


            2              with asthma, about 340,000 people with


            3              chronic bronchitis and close to 3 million


            4              people with cardiovascular disease.  Why is


            5              this?  Is it because the American Lung


            6              Association only passes 11 counties in


            7              Pennsylvania for having decent air to breath


            8              and only two counties get credit for having


            9              good air quality?


           10                      You may ask, what does this have to


           11              do with the smoking ban?  Well, let's


           12              compare Pennsylvania to a state with a


           13              smoking ban in effect.  Let's take our


           14              neighbors Ohio, for example.  They have


           15              about 135,000 people less with asthma, about


           16              60 less people with chronic bronchitis and


           17              800,000 less people with cardiovascular


           18              disease.  And in Ohio only nine counties


           19              fail the American Lung Association criteria


           20              for clean air.  Some say a smoking ban


           21              infringes their rights, but don't you think


           22              not having a smoking ban infringes the


           23              rights of those who do not smoke?  Why


           24              should a nonsmoker have to breathe -- why


           25              should a nonsmoker have to breathe the smoke






            1              of a smoker?  If the smoker doesn't care


            2              about their health that's fine, but why


            3              should a nonsmoker have to risk their health


            4              every time they go out in public?


            5                      Why should the 860,000 people with


            6              asthma in Pennsylvania have to be confined


            7              to their homes because it hurts when they go


            8              around and smoke.  My mother has asthma and


            9              anytime we sit in a nonsmoking section of a


           10              restaurant she has a hard time breathing


           11              because she can still smell and even taste


           12              the smoke that wanders over and so can I,


           13              and probably everyone here knows what it


           14              feels like to have it out in your room


           15              because someone decides to blow smoke.


           16                      So, in conclusion, a comprehensive


           17              smoking ban is not something we should want


           18              and hope eventually happens, it's something


           19              we need and we need to push Senator Mellow


           20              who needs to vote to pass a comprehensive


           21              smoking ban so when someone goes out to a


           22              public place for a good time they can have a


           23              good time breathing, too.  So, I ask you at


           24              council to send a letter to Senator Mellow


           25              stating your commitment to a comprehensive






            1              smoking ban in Pennsylvania.


            2                      Also, if anyone is listening wants


            3              to call Senator Mellow or e-mail I have his


            4              e-mail address, Mellow@Pasenate.com and his


            5              office number is 346-5721.  Thank you.


            6                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you very much,


            7              Eric.  If you are going to stay I'm sure


            8              that some of the council members will be


            9              addressing that issue during motions.


           10                      MR. SYZKOWSKI:  Thank you.


           11                      MR. MCGOFF: Sam Patilla.


           12                      MR. PATILLA: Good evening,


           13              Mrs. Evans and Mr. Courtright.  Sam Patilla,


           14              Scranton homeowner, taxpayer, a member of


           15              the Scranton/Lackawanna Taxpayers'


           16              Association.  I came here tonight because


           17              Phyllis gets kind of upset with me.  We are


           18              going through the conserving energy phase


           19              here when I tell her to turn off lights and


           20              close doors behind you, she doesn't realize


           21              that, you know, we are being billed three


           22              times for the same amount of energy and in


           23              case of gas five times, you know, you have


           24              transition charges, you have distribution


           25              charges, you have customer charges, same






            1              amount of electricity, same amount of gas,


            2              but three separate charges for each one and


            3              each one goes up a different level, but she


            4              doesn't understand, she thinks that I'm


            5              picking on her when I ask her to do these


            6              things, but I'm not, because what council,


            7              the county, the state and the federal


            8              government fail to realize is that while our


            9              job rates aren't going up everything else


           10              around us is, okay?


           11                      Since I have relocated to Scranton


           12              here I have seen tax cuts not a one.  Not a


           13              one, but I have seen $35 million given in


           14              bonds to the Scranton Parking Authority,


           15              quadruple raise in property taxes.  A


           16              94.5 percent tax increase divided 25 percent


           17              per year for the next three years.  I have


           18              seen high salaries for unqualified


           19              personnel.  I have seen $8 million given


           20              through the Mayor.  I have seen a million


           21              dollars given away to Southern Union.  I


           22              have seen 56 percent increase in the sewer


           23              rates.  I have seen 25 million in TANS.  I


           24              have already seen other spending increase in


           25              violation of the Home Rule Charter, job






            1              creations and pay raises.  I haven't seen


            2              reduction in the size of government, and all


            3              over this country now you are hearing those


            4              cries, even today while I was watching the


            5              council representative debate on the Clean


            6              Air Act, you know, Governor Rendell once


            7              brought $850 million, the House of


            8              Representatives are up in arms.  No more


            9              borrowing.  The same thing we have been


           10              crying about here in the City of Scranton,


           11              no more borrowing, we can't afford it.


           12                      You know, the bond insurers their


           13              ratings are being cut, they are being


           14              downgraded.  You know, you talk about


           15              refinancing, you are not going to save any


           16              money refinancing right now.  This whole


           17              country is in dire straights.  It's going to


           18              cost us more in the long-term. I'm a baby


           19              boomer as many the people here in attendance


           20              are, we're baby boomers.  Our time is short,


           21              the clock is ticking.  We won't be here that


           22              much longer and when we retire we want the


           23              money that we put into this system.  We


           24              don't want to have to hear that, no, that


           25              has to go and pay for Doherty's bills or






            1              Rendell's bill or Bush's bills because of


            2              wasteful spending because our elected


            3              officials didn't do the job that they were


            4              elected to do, they care about corporate


            5              America and big business than they did the


            6              everyday American citizen.  We don't need


            7              them.  We don't want them.


            8                      I have seen, oh, before I forget,


            9              Ms. Evans, I would like to know as of today


           10              the cost that that lawsuit that Judy Gatelli


           11              has filed against that website how much that


           12              is costing the Scranton Taxpayers of today


           13              in lawyer fees because I know they are


           14              billing us for this quadzillion because


           15              taxpayers are paying for that.  I have seen


           16              the regular program such as the Home


           17              Investment Partnership program, the


           18              emergency shelter grant, the Community


           19              Development Block Grant to fund


           20              company-owned companies and individuals.  I


           21              seen the sheltering of taxpayers' funds


           22              between the Scranton Housing Authority, the


           23              Scranton Parking Authority, the Scranton


           24              Sewer Authority, shuffle, shuffle, shuffle.


           25              No accountability.  We can't even audit our






            1              tax office which is a ludicrous.  It doesn't


            2              make any sense.  Why we cannot audit our tax


            3              office.  Where is our tax money?  We pay our


            4              taxes.  The county did an audit, they found


            5              that the taxpayers over paid, they are


            6              reimbursing money.  The same should be done


            7              here in Scranton, okay?  All we hear is they


            8              want to increase our spending.  What you


            9              people have to realize Scranton is the only


           10              one increasing our taxes, the county is


           11              going to have to increase our taxes, the


           12              Commonwealth is going to have to increase


           13              our taxes, the state, the government itself,


           14              the Federal Government of the United States


           15              of America is going to have increase our


           16              taxes in order to get all of this yes, yes,


           17              yes, yes, voting being done at the local


           18              levels in order.  Thank God those


           19              representatives in the house are voting no


           20              to Governor Rendell oppressive the he be


           21              paid $150 million dollars as of right now.


           22              My clock only got two minutes, that's why I


           23              brought that.  That's why I brought that


           24              because I heard people tell me you cut my


           25              time down and I don't know appreciate that.






            1              I brought this big clock here and I --


            2                      MR. MINORA: You got your five


            3              minutes.


            4                      MR. PATILLA: I got two minutes.


            5                      MR. MCGOFF: That you, Mr. Patilla.


            6                      MR. PATILLA:  Next time I'm going to


            7              give it to you, Miss Evans, because somebody


            8              told me he was cheating me out of my time.


            9                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr. Patilla.


           10                      MR. PATILLA: And I've spoken for two


           11              minutes and I'm going to go because I don't


           12              want Judge Geroulo getting mad at me, but


           13              next week I'm giving this to Miss Evans so


           14              you be prepared, you are not cutting me


           15              anymore.


           16                      MR. MCGOFF: Andrew Porter.


           17                      MR. PORTER: Good evening, City of


           18              Scranton.  A little tired this evening, but


           19              everything is good.  First I'd like to say


           20              to my friends and Italian citizens, I'm


           21              sorry, not Italian, but Irish citizens as


           22              well as visitors coming into the Scranton


           23              area during the holiday season, Happy St.


           24              Patrick's Day and travel safe and have a


           25              good day.






            1                      The wind of change is in the air.


            2              Who would have thought that in the Year 2008


            3              that the United States of America would have


            4              a woman president or possibly a man of


            5              color.  Yesterday the great Senator from New


            6              York, Hillary Rodham Clinton, came into


            7              Scranton, her roots, she found her roots.


            8              You know, Roots is a book, a movie, but she


            9              found her roots and she came back, but she


           10              didn't just come back -- and she does come


           11              back, she does come back, but this time


           12              particularly she didn't just come back for


           13              the fact that she loves Scranton, she came


           14              back she needed our votes, she needs help.


           15              That's what I have been telling you guys all


           16              along.  In order for this city to be a great


           17              city we have to help each other.


           18                      Now, if you vote for Hillary because


           19              she is a woman as opposed to this man of


           20              color then you are a fool and Hillary will


           21              tell you that, okay.  She doesn't want your


           22              vote because she's the best route other than


           23              a man of color, no, she wants your vote


           24              because of who she is.  And I like Hillary,


           25              she is a great woman.  She stuck by her man






            1              through thick and thin when he was in the


            2              office through all of the controversy, she


            3              did great things.  She came out, she became


            4              a senator, she did great work as a senator,


            5              all right, and then she comes before us as a


            6              candidate for the United States of America,


            7              that's the sign of a good woman, possibly a


            8              great woman, all right, and that's the


            9              reason why she could get my vote, not


           10              because she is a woman rather than the


           11              alternate man of color, all right?


           12                      We need to come together as a city.


           13              This is, again, as I say, this is not our


           14              city, this is God's city, we just happen to


           15              live in it and he is overseeing everything


           16              that we do every minute, every hour, we need


           17              to help each other.  Stop making promises


           18              that we can't keep and keep the promises


           19              that we make.  We need to find a way to love


           20              each other and not hate each other.


           21                      Now, as far as the mayor and as far


           22              as any politician it's their job, they want


           23              to be in office, so they are going to tell


           24              you what they need to tell you to get in


           25              office and stay in office, all right?






            1              Hillary is here because she needs your help.


            2              At the end of the day, at the end of the


            3              day, right, there is no difference between


            4              Hillary and Barack.  There is no difference.


            5              One is going to be the president and the


            6              other one is going to be the senator and you


            7              think they are going to hate each other?


            8              No, they love each other and they respect


            9              each other right now, but in the midst of


           10              the fight, in the midst of the fight these


           11              are the things that happen, so we say we got


           12              a bad mayor, all of the people that come up


           13              here and you got a bad mayor, you got a bad


           14              city council, the mayor is running for


           15              office, is he running for mayor?  Who is


           16              your alternate?  The mayor is not afraid.  I


           17              remember seen him in the Happenings, I see


           18              him in the paper, some people say he owns


           19              this paper, he owns the black paper, he


           20              owns, this, so what?  If you got a beef,


           21              deal with it.


           22                      Let me draw a parallel to you, a lot


           23              of people may not understand what I'm


           24              saying.  Let's talk about the City of


           25              Scranton, that's more important than






            1              anything.  This is God's city.  This is the


            2              chosen city, all right?  So, now if we draw


            3              that parallel the Superbowl Giants and God


            4              up there is looking down on us, all right,


            5              and he is saying, no, uh-huh, they are not


            6              going to make it, but God loves us and he


            7              still gives us a chance.  He is not ending


            8              it yet, all right?  So here we go, God


            9              saying, no, they are not going to make it,


           10              all right, Superbowl Champions, the Giant's


           11              at the start nobody gave them a chance.


           12                      At the start, nobody gives us a


           13              chance, the City of Scranton, because we


           14              don't give ourselves a chance.  The mayor


           15              needs help.  He may be the able to identify


           16              it.  If you have -- you have given him the


           17              power to do certain things and not have


           18              walked with him along the way, all right?


           19              And things have mushroomed, all right?  So,


           20              now he is asking for another six years,


           21              right?  Now here we go.  Coach Conlin, I


           22              wasn't a great fan to him, but his team got


           23              together and they pulled for him and they


           24              stuck with him and he grew and he grew and


           25              he grew and I'll talk again maybe next week.






            1              I don't even like to be up here, but


            2              somebody got to do it.  Look at the lines at


            3              the high school, Scranton High School,


            4              hundreds of people, maybe thousands.  If you


            5              want to make a chance then come to city


            6              council.


            7                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.


            8                      MR. PORTER:  Come to city council,


            9              they need you right here.  There should be


           10              lines outside city council.  If you stay


           11              home and say that nothing is going to


           12              change, nothing is going to change.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF:  Mr. Porter --


           14                      MR. PORTER: But if you love your


           15              city then you come here and you make your


           16              city what it needs to be and your help, your


           17              mayor and you help your city council and you


           18              help each other.


           19                      MR. MCGOFF: Mr. Porter --


           20                      MR. PORTER: God bless you all.


           21                      MR. MCGOFF:  Your time -- it is


           22              time.


           23                      MR. PORTER: Have a safe St.


           24              Patrick's Day.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you very much.






            1              Lee Morgan.


            2                      MR. MORGAN: Good evening, Council.


            3              You know, I really don't have very much to


            4              add today to what's already been said,


            5              especially by Andy Sbaraglia and a couple of


            6              other speakers here, and I would have to


            7              agree that this city is frozen in the eyes


            8              of indifference.  This council really


            9              doesn't care about the residents of this


           10              city, it's pretty blatantly right in their


           11              face to be honest with you, I mean, we've


           12              put $10 million of dollars worth of


           13              borrowing in the budget.  We borrow and


           14              borrow.  You know, I had an opportunity, I


           15              drove down I think it was Prospect Avenue


           16              the other day, we are talking about a great


           17              Renaissance in South Side, South Side is a


           18              mess.  I counted I think seven empty


           19              apartments and five houses for sale in one


           20              block.  There is houses all over South Side


           21              for sale.  All over South Side, for that


           22              matter all over the whole city, and you


           23              would think that maybe this council would


           24              want to change the way things are done here.


           25              A city of 140,000 people down to 60 or






            1              70,000 people and the only one that's really


            2              doing any building in this city is the


            3              University of Scranton all of the taxpayers


            4              in this city are paying for it.  It's just


            5              terrible and now, you know, a lot of times


            6              people talk about more often than not


            7              seniors living on a fixed income but, you


            8              know, the problems in this country cut well


            9              beyond that because now people have to chose


           10              between food, shelter, or medicine.  It's


           11              terrible.  This country has just gone into a


           12              total tailspin and we have to look at the


           13              elected officials we have elected to govern


           14              us and we have people on this council who


           15              say one thing and do the direct opposite,


           16              give the mayor permission to borrow money,


           17              buy equipment the city doesn't need and not


           18              have the equipment the city does need and


           19              I'd like to say that in my own personal


           20              opinion I think that everybody on this


           21              council knew that Chief Davis wasn't


           22              qualified to be the chief of the fire


           23              department, never heard it discussed.


           24                      You didn't hear this council really


           25              jump up and scream and yell when they






            1              allowed the sewer authority to raise our


            2              rates in contradiction to law because


            3              council had an oversight on that, they


            4              didn't do anything.  Exactly what is this


            5              council doing except shifting money from one


            6              account to another or borrowing?  What


            7              honestly can we say this council has


            8              actually done for the residents of this


            9              city?  We have viscous dog attracts in the


           10              city, I don't see any legislation come from


           11              council to address that problem.  I really


           12              haven't seen this council address any real


           13              problems in this city.  We talked about a


           14              youth program in the city and playgrounds,


           15              they never materialized.  We are charging


           16              kids to go to swimming pools.  Where are we


           17              here?  We are pumping all of this money like


           18              previous speakers have said to special


           19              interests as the neighborhoods just decay.


           20              No sidewalks, no curbs.  We have the mayor


           21              saying an election cycle when Mr. Murphy was


           22              council president that he was going to do


           23              whatever it took to fix the streets in this


           24              city and they are worse than ever before.


           25                      So really, you know, I think that






            1              this council really needs to take a look at


            2              what it's to doing and to have a council


            3              president say that he wasn't going to go


            4              fetch anything for anyone I don't really


            5              take serious offense to that because this


            6              council has voted for things with no


            7              information for a long time.  This isn't a


            8              new revelation here.  I mean, the


            9              information was supposed to be left outside


           10              of this door so that the residents who came


           11              here and want to discuss issue at this


           12              council could look at the backup


           13              documentation to have an idea what's going


           14              on, and even that's never complete.  And


           15              then we have council vote to get subpoenas


           16              and they quash their own vote.  I mean, we


           17              don't want to know what's going on.  We have


           18              various things in the City of Scranton being


           19              used at employment agencies for the mayor.


           20              Sewer authority, Parking Authority,


           21              borrowing out of control, yet we are going


           22              to sell people's homes, we're going to raise


           23              their taxes, we are going to make life


           24              totally unlivable here and, I mean, I have


           25              people come up to me and say, "We had to






            1              move out of that city, we just couldn't live


            2              here anymore," but what about all of the


            3              people that have vacated their houses and


            4              just left them here vacant and people who


            5              can't sell their homes.  And what about all


            6              of the investors who are city residents who


            7              own homes, let's not talk about landlords


            8              from outside of the city, let's talk about


            9              people that actually own properties are


           10              rentals in the city and they can't rent them


           11              because of the outrageous amount of taxation


           12              going on here, 2.4 for the city and one for


           13              the school district, they can't even rent


           14              them.  The city tax rates are out of control


           15              and all we are doing is we are borrowing to


           16              give the mayor more money to waste and it's


           17              time for this council to find out who is


           18              really important because you are not a cult


           19              on your own.  This isn't a cult of


           20              personality here.  You are elected here to


           21              represent the people and it's just not


           22              happening.  Thank you.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr. Morgan.


           24              Cody Slack.


           25                      MR. SLACK: Hello.  I've got a short






            1              thing to say.  I'm from West Scranton and


            2              I'm against the smoking ban because I feel


            3              people should be able to relax and enjoy


            4              this area during or after a meal.  If you


            5              ban smoking many restaurants and bars will


            6              lose business.  If you ban smoking because


            7              it's dangerous to other's health you might


            8              as well ban alcohol, too.  More people will


            9              die from drunk drivers than they will from


           10              secondhand smoke.  Many people argue that


           11              they shouldn't have smell the smoke while


           12              they're eating.  The solution to that is not


           13              to sit near the smoking section.  In


           14              conclusion, I ask for you on behalf of


           15              myself and all others who oppose the smoking


           16              ban to tell Senator Mellow not to pass the


           17              smoking ban, and that's about it.  Thanks.


           18                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Cody.  Marie


           19              Schumacher.


           20                      MS. SCHUMACHER: Good evening.  Marie


           21              Schumacher, city resident and member of the


           22              taxpayers' group.  Because I have been


           23              running out of time week after week I want


           24              to start by listing some of the items


           25              requested of the law development using the






            1              Right to Know statute that have gone


            2              unanswered.  First, I requested the


            3              principal amount of non-electoral debt for


            4              the city and each of it's authorities and


            5              how close in either dollars or percent the


            6              aggregate comes to the Commonwealth limit on


            7              non-electoral debt.


            8                      Second, I've requested to review the


            9              contract with Forever Young treehouse,


           10              Incorporated, for the Nay Aug treehouse.


           11                      I have requested the amount of legal


           12              fees by attorney or law firm paid in the


           13              Year 2006.


           14                      I have asked whether the City of


           15              Scranton participates in the Government


           16              Finance Officer's Association Financial


           17              Reporting and Budget Awards Program and if


           18              so have any awards been received.


           19                      I have asked if the city has a


           20              manual that documents each source of


           21              revenue, it's legal basis and limitations


           22              and the history and if so is a copy


           23              available at the Albright Library or


           24              someplace else for review?


           25                      Now, I'll step there as I have other






            1              items, but I first want to point out that


            2              the last two items were among the many


            3              recommendations in the $25,000 study the


            4              city commissioned early in Mayor Doherty's


            5              first term.  It seems few, in any, of those


            6              recommendations were embraced.  What a waste


            7              of $25,000 worth of taxpayer's dollars.


            8                      I would also like to report I talked


            9              to Mrs. Patterson this afternoon and she


           10              said -- promised to look into those letters,


           11              those Right to Know letters because she says


           12              that's not her policy.


           13                      Now, to 5-F on the agenda tonight.


           14              There are two aspects to the fire truck


           15              issue.  First is the abject failure of


           16              council to notice the mayor's first capital


           17              budget included by the million and half


           18              dollars for fire station renovations and


           19              equipment spread over the five years, but


           20              none of it was spent.  Then, last year when


           21              you received the mayor's new five-year


           22              capital budget for the next five years there


           23              was nothing in that account until 2010.


           24                   Now, that's seven years without a


           25              capital expenditure for the fire department.






            1              Is there any one of you who really believes


            2              you may keep a department up-to-date without


            3              making any capital investments for seven


            4              years?  Shame on you.


            5                      Now to the proposed ordinance at


            6              hand.  Unless there are readily available


            7              answers to the following questions I believe


            8              5-F should be tabled until answers are


            9              available.  First, after the $239,156.45 is


           10              transferred out of the clearing of banks and


           11              streams account how much will remain?  What


           12              approved projects for which the budget was


           13              approved in the beginning will not be


           14              accomplished because of the transfer?


           15                      Two:  After the $74,470.75 transfer


           16              from the fire hydrants account how much will


           17              remain and how many hydrants would that


           18              amount have bought?


           19                      Three:  After the $30,000 that's


           20              transferred from the Neighborhood Police


           21              Precinct account how much will remain and


           22              what activities will not be accomplished?


           23                      Four:  After the $56,286.98 is


           24              transferred from the Emergency Relief


           25              Account -- or, excuse me, Emergency Flood






            1              Relief account how much will remain?  The


            2              mayor was quoted in the monopoly newspaper


            3              as saying the new fire truck will be


            4              purchased from the operating budget.  This


            5              is a budget from OECD funds and federal


            6              funds, it is not from our operating budget.


            7              Is also a capital expense, so I would


            8              recommend that we do it right and we


            9              reallocate the capital budget to buy this


           10              fire engine from the capital budget.


           11                      Next, I know it's a done deed, but I


           12              was parked in the 100 block of North


           13              Washington Avenue this past week and I had


           14              some time left on my meter when I finished


           15              with my business and so I went into the


           16              Oppenheim Garage and I would like to say I


           17              totally agree with Dan Hubbard, I walked


           18              through there, granted some work needs to be


           19              done, but I would love for the edification


           20              of the structural engineer who said that


           21              building needs to be demolished.  It is


           22              ashame that we are wasting all of that money


           23              to demolish that structure and build a new


           24              garage.  Period.  Next, I'll be back next


           25              week.  Thank you.






            1                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mrs.


            2              Schumacher.  Other speakers?


            3                      MR. DAVIS: Salaam aleikum.  My name


            4              is Jim Davis and, first of all, I want to


            5              say the 24th of March is the last day you


            6              can register to vote.  For those of you who


            7              have not registered to vote please go out


            8              and register vote and I only ask of you to


            9              vote if you are going to vote with your


           10              conscience.  Let's vote to do things the


           11              right way.  Let's stop giving people power


           12              over us who don't desire to do the best for


           13              us, but in order to do that you are going to


           14              have to listen to them and you are going to


           15              have be very, very circumspect in your


           16              listening and in your dealings.  That's


           17              number one.


           18                      Number two, I spoke to you last week


           19              about the Washington West project area and


           20              how they sit there with nobody working on


           21              them or doing anything about them and Mr.


           22              Courtright took the seat and said that


           23              something is being done.  I have not yet to


           24              find -- do you know where I could find the


           25              floor plan or the rebuilding plan or






            1              something that goes along with that project?


            2              Is there anywhere --


            3                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I don't know the


            4              plan they have.  If you go the Housing


            5              Authority I would imagine that's where they


            6              would be able to tell you what they're going


            7              to do over there.


            8                      MR. DAVIS: When you go to the


            9              Housing Authority for anything you have to


           10              talk to Mr. Baker.  Mr. Baker he is not


           11              available at the present time.


           12                      MR. COURTRIGHT: There is somebody


           13              taking his place?


           14                      MR. DAVIS: Excuse me?


           15                      MR. COURTRIGHT: There is somebody


           16              taking his place and they have --


           17                      MR. DAVIS: Oh, yes, there are, but


           18              they don't know what to say.  They don't


           19              have an answer for me.


           20                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I don't know.


           21                      MR. DAVIS: So perhaps you can


           22              intercede for me.


           23                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  They have a board


           24              just like a panel.


           25                      MR. DAVIS: I know, I have gone to






            1              their board meeting.  I have sat there when


            2              they were making the decision to close down


            3              the apartments over there.  I saw who was


            4              there and I saw why they were doing it.


            5                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I'd try and call


            6              over there and see if they will tell us


            7              what's going on.


            8                      MR. DAVIS: We just want a plan.


            9              What's going on.  Our community is really


           10              hey, voting wise we have lost any number of


           11              people that were voting participants in the


           12              community, they are gone, and you know what


           13              happens in Scranton when you lose your


           14              voting power you lose your rights.  You


           15              don't even bring up the project here that


           16              has anything to do with central city.  You


           17              don't say anything about the playyards of


           18              central city.  Everything is in South Side


           19              or West Side or Greenridge, but nothing in


           20              central city.  We have kids here, top.  We


           21              can't get anything done here.  We don't have


           22              representation.  That's the thing that you


           23              don't seem to understand when I come before


           24              you and I ask someone is there any one among


           25              you that will stand up and say, I'll






            1              represent central city?  I'll represent the


            2              kids and the residents of central city.  No,


            3              I don't see that happening.  I don't hear it


            4              in your plans.  I don't each know if any of


            5              you have ever walked through central city.


            6              It does doesn't sound like you have or know


            7              of it all.  Maybe a few of you have gone to


            8              school at Tech High School or Central High


            9              School or something like that, but I don't


           10              see it.  I don't see it your plans.  I don't


           11              see it in your questioning of people who


           12              come here with ideas.  Okay.  The


           13              development of central city is most


           14              important to me because our tax base is


           15              being totally destroyed.  Totally.  And now


           16              it's either senior citizens or rentals and


           17              you know they don't give up taxes, so,


           18              therefore, I understand why you are ignoring


           19              me.  You can't get anything out of them,


           20              there is no sense of you doing anything for


           21              them, I understand that.  It's a cruel dog


           22              eat dog existence and I'm sorry that it has


           23              to come down to that and I don't think


           24              Scranton was always like that.  From where I


           25              understood we had good people there would






            1              take care of the streets for us, the fire


            2              unions were run, it just seems as though we


            3              have lost our desire to do an adequate job


            4              for adequate people and we are not being


            5              very honest about it.  I think maybe you


            6              should start looking in the mirror at


            7              yourselves and saying what is going on and


            8              why haven't you done anything.  I thank you


            9              for your time.


           10                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr. Davis.


           11                      MR. DAVIS: Be of good cheer.  We're


           12              not and you can tell by what we have said up


           13              here so far, there is a lot of displeasure.


           14              There's got to be a reason for it.


           15                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.  Anyone else?


           16                      MR. GATELLI:  Mr. McGoff, may I say


           17              something, please?  I would just like to


           18              respond to Mr. Davis.  This council


           19              unanimously voted to give money to the Boys


           20              and Girls Club which services the downtown


           21              children, central city.  We almost fully


           22              funded I believe the new United States


           23              Neighborhood Centers building on Olive


           24              Street which also services the children of


           25              central city, so I think that we are






            1              concerned about the kids that live in


            2              central city and we have done what we needed


            3              to do to help them, so I would just like to


            4              clarify that.  Thank you.


            5                      MS. DAVIS: Look at the amount that


            6              you funded them this year.


            7                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.


            8                      MR. DAVIS: Versus what happened in


            9              the past.


           10                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr. Davis.


           11                      MS. WILLIAMS: Good evening.  Joanne


           12              Williams, I'm a life-long taxpaying resident


           13              of this great city.  I have listened to a


           14              woman who has spoken at this podium a few


           15              times in the last few months, correct me if


           16              I'm wrong, I'm told she is the wife of a


           17              Scranton firefighter.  Also, that she has


           18              only resided in our city for three to


           19              four years.  It was very hurtful to me to


           20              hear her down our parks and cities.  How can


           21              someone who has lived in our city for such a


           22              short period of time not knowing any history


           23              let alone have any history in our city start


           24              judging it.  I am a true Scrantonian born


           25              and raised here from the babyboomer






            1              generation and I will probably live the rest


            2              of my life here.  I have lived through the


            3              ups and the downs because a true Scrantonian


            4              truly loves this city.  I remember my


            5              parents brought me to Nay Aug Park as a baby


            6              and a young child.  I remember the duck's


            7              pond, the amusement rides, Lake Lincoln and


            8              the heights my dad would take his children


            9              on over the old bridge as we all witnessed


           10              nature, the beauty of nature.  As a teenager


           11              we would all play basketball, baseball, went


           12              swimming, rode bikes and as young adults we


           13              had our wedding day pictures taken in our


           14              beloved Nay Aug Park.


           15                      Unfortunately, this beautiful park


           16              was slowly deteriorating before our eyes.


           17              It became for quiet several years a drug


           18              infested lonely place where Scrantonians


           19              would no longer gather as we once did.  With


           20              Chris Doherty's first term for mayor he


           21              promised to restore our parks and thank God


           22              he did.  We once again have a beautiful and


           23              safe park where families gather yearly for


           24              reunions, relaxing green space that you can


           25              enjoy as walkers have once returned to Nay






            1              Aug.  A handicap treehouse where you can


            2              enjoy the true beauty of our various trees.


            3              A new bridge where you can view the


            4              breathtaking nature of our streams and woods


            5              that surround you with the beauty of


            6              wildlife.  I could go on and on.


            7                      My point is this, speakers who come


            8              to this podium week after week and speak


            9              negative about our city are not in my eyes


           10              in my heart true Scrantonians.


           11                      Another thing is on December 30,


           12              2007, at 11:00 p.m. an abandoned house


           13              caught fire.  This home was located directly


           14              at the rear of my next door neighbor's home


           15              and very close to mine.  The fire department


           16              did a fantastic job, but most importantly,


           17              Chief Tom Davis, dressed in full gear, spoke


           18              to both me and my neighbors.  He calmed our


           19              fears and reassured us.  I witnessed him


           20              handling his crew professionally.  Chief


           21              Davis is a respected citizen of the city.


           22              After all I'm hearing in these meetings is


           23              the negative criticism, I felt compelled to


           24              voice what I had witnessed on that night.


           25                   In closing, I would like to compliment






            1              Mr. Doug Miller and Junior Council and their


            2              strive to plan trees in South Scranton.  I


            3              cannot believe the negative remarks made on


            4              a simple tree.  One speaker stated the care


            5              cost for a tree and also root problems.  I


            6              truly believe it's a scare tactic to get


            7              residents disinterested in planting a tree


            8              in front of their properties.  It's going to


            9              take quite some time and many years for you


           10              to have root problems.  And, remember, trees


           11              are a gift from God.  They don't only


           12              provide beauty, they provide oxygen, clean


           13              air to help us breathe.  They provide us


           14              shade and they shelter the birds and


           15              squirrels.  They bring us beautiful blossoms


           16              in the spring and vibrant colors in autumn.


           17              I am asking council to plant these trees in


           18              South Scranton.  If we don't use the grant


           19              money to do so we will lose it and basically


           20              isn't a gift from God such as a tree truly


           21              worth any amount?  Please plant those trees.


           22              Thank you.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF:  Thank you, Mrs.


           24              Williams.  Anyone else?


           25                      MR. BOYLE: Good evening.  I'm Nick






            1              Boyle and I'm a student at West Scranton


            2              High School, I play for the West Scranton


            3              football team, in fact, I just came from


            4              practice right here just now and I felt it


            5              fit to come here because I thought it was


            6              important enough to talk to you about a


            7              comprehensive ban on smoking.  Now, me being


            8              an athletic person, I also seek to stay


            9              healthy inside physically and me being


           10              almost 17 I have been in the working field


           11              for a little while now and I always thought


           12              it was unfair that I had to be subject to


           13              other people's habits of smoking by


           14              injecting in secondhand smoke.


           15                      Now, I am asking you as my


           16              representatives to send a message urging


           17              Senator Mellow to put a comprehensive ban on


           18              smoking.  Thank you.


           19                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Nick.


           20                      MR. TALIMINI: Joe Talimini, City of


           21              Scranton resident.  I wasn't going to speak


           22              tonight, but I find that I'm in a position


           23              where I have come up here and not only


           24              defend myself but defend my right to smoke.


           25              I have the right to smoke.  I have heard






            1              most of it before, I have read most of it


            2              from the American Lung Association, the


            3              American Heart Association.  Actually, I


            4              hate to tell you, you know, but I'm 76 years


            5              old, I come from a family that smoked all of


            6              their lives, they all died in their 80's and


            7              early 90's, and I have never forced anybody


            8              to be in my company when I smoke a cigarette


            9              and I usually try to be considerate enough


           10              not to light up a cigarette when somebody is


           11              eating.  However, in 1950 and 1951 I fought


           12              in Korea for the right to for you people to


           13              sit up there in judgment and for kids like


           14              this to sit over here and make accusations


           15              based on whatever somebody else said.  I


           16              fought for that right.  I've got a purple


           17              heart, I got a couple of other metals, I'll


           18              be damned if I'm going to let you or anybody


           19              else tell me whether I can smoke or not.


           20                   And if Senator Mellow doesn't agree


           21              with you, that's his right, too, I have got


           22              rights and I'm going to defend them.  You


           23              got your rights, all for it, but please


           24              don't set up these kids to come up here like


           25              this.  It's ridiculous.  If you don't have






            1              the guts to stand up for yourselves, quit.


            2                      MS. GATELLI: I have to answer.  May


            3              I answer that, please?  The children are


            4              from Tom Murray's history class and that's


            5              why they are here.


            6                      MR. TALIMINI: I didn't say it was


            7              you.


            8                      MS. GATELLI: Well, I'm just


            9              answering it because there are speakers that


           10              come here --


           11                      MS. FANUCCI: Set up.


           12                      MS. GATELLI: Set up.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF:  Mr. Ancherani.


           14                      MR. ANCHERANI:  Chris is going last.


           15                      MS. GATELLI: Show them your new


           16              hairdo.


           17                      MR. SLEDZENSKI: Oh, I will.


           18                      MR. ANCHERANI: Good evening.  Nelson


           19              Ancherani, resident, taxpayer, city employee


           20              and financial secretary of FOP, First


           21              Amendment rights.  Last week Miss Fanucci


           22              wasn't at the meeting when I remarked about


           23              your remarks from the previous meeting.  You


           24              defended the Recovery Plan and denied that


           25              any violation took place by the mayor when






            1              he gave out raises and new hires to the tune


            2              of $15 million under Section 2, wages on


            3              page 64 of the plan.  You were going to give


            4              me the page number where provisions are made


            5              for the unions to get raises.  I believe you


            6              were referring to page 64, Section 3,


            7              personnel costs.  I pointed out three more


            8              violations in Section 3 alone where


            9              4,268,465 more was spent on raises in new


           10              hires for the years 2003, 4 and 5 than was


           11              allowed under the plan.  That's 4,268,465


           12              more than was allowed for the three years


           13              combined.  They are violations.  In fact,


           14              three more violations.  You said you read


           15              all 109 pages of the plan.  If page 64 was


           16              not the page you were referring to please


           17              let me know in motions what page and section


           18              you are referring to.


           19                      I know you believe what is written


           20              in black and white because you said at one


           21              time you believed the mayor's budgets.  You


           22              voted for the last two record budgets along


           23              with Miss Gatelli and Mr. McGoff.  I'd like


           24              to remind everyone in case you forgot, but


           25              the totals of all of the current mayor's






            1              budgets and the totals of all the loans


            2              taken out by this city under this mayor is


            3              over the $600 million mark for monies taken


            4              out of revenues.  Around June or July of


            5              this year when the city borrows 11 million


            6              more and a new record budget is passed in


            7              November by Mr. McGoff, Miss Gatelli and


            8              Miss Fanucci.  The total will be over 700


            9              million.  I would predict closer to the


           10              three quarter billion mark or 750 million


           11              for money taken in in revenue.  And since


           12              the city is still claiming, and I use that


           13              word loosely, that we are still distressed


           14              and that we are going to need 11 million


           15              more to borrow this year that we will have a


           16              deficit or a claim of a deficit.  Where did


           17              600 million go?  Nay Aug, Davis trail, the


           18              green, I mean, the black fish pond and I


           19              almost forgot, you won't hit a pothole in


           20              Nay Aug.


           21                      As for what this city owes I believe


           22              is 108 million in debt without interest.


           23              Tack on the interest and it is approximately


           24              300 million in long-term debt for the next


           25              28 or more years.  Oops, I forgot about the






            1              300 -- or, I'm sorry, 35 million loan that


            2              the Scranton Parking Authority took out last


            3              year and that has an approximate 95 million


            4              pay back.  We have to add this among to our


            5              debt since we are financing the Scranton


            6              Parking Authority to the tune of $803,000


            7              for citation issuers for this year alone.


            8              That is more like $400 million.  By the way,


            9              does anyone up there no how many citation


           10              issuers the parking authority has and what


           11              their salaries are for the year?  Did anyone


           12              forget these famous words?  Money has to


           13              come from somebody.  They were said by our


           14              mayor and guess what, taxpayers, guess who


           15              that money to pay back that debt is going to


           16              come from?  And we only get three guesses.


           17                   In two months Armed Forces Day will be


           18              here and this city still has not paid our


           19              returning solider from Iraq, the less, and


           20              that's right, the less than $20,000 to make


           21              them whole yet the city can find $60,000 for


           22              trees in South Side, a million to the


           23              Connell building from Growing Greener when


           24              they have over $200,000 in delinquent taxes


           25              waived when the building was purchased by






            1              the new owner with Wolfington.  Poor people


            2              are going to lose their homes because they


            3              have $2,000 in fees tacked onto their


            4              already delinquent taxes that they can't


            5              afford to pay and the rich get taxes waived.


            6              Where is the justice?  Fair is fair, but I


            7              did forget, we live in the City of Scranton.


            8                      MS. EVANS: Mr. Ancherani, Mr.


            9              Wolfington still owes property taxes on


           10              Southern Union.  Not Southern Union, the


           11              Connell building, I'm sorry.


           12                      MS. SLEDZENSKI: Should I take it


           13              off, Jude?


           14                      MS. GATELLI: Yes, take it off. It's


           15              gorgeous.


           16                      MR. SLEDZENSKI: I know.  I always


           17              look good, Jude.  Right, Jude?


           18                      MS. GATELLI: Yes, you do.


           19                      MR. SLEDZENSKI:  Bill, these fire


           20              fighters for the City of Scranton do a job


           21              downstairs.  Keep it up down there, guys,


           22              we're proud of you up here.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF:  Thank you, Chris.  Is


           24              there anyone else?  Mrs. Evans?


           25                      MS. EVANS: Thank you.  Good evening.






            1              I ask you to remember in your prayers


            2              Mr. Thomas Burke, a retired firefighter that


            3              passed away recently and his dear family and


            4              friends he leaves behind.  Also, a friend is


            5              having cancer surgery on Thursday and I hope


            6              you will remember him in your prayers as


            7              well.


            8                      Mr. Lee Namey responded to my


            9              questions regarding the empty Southern Union


           10              building on Lackawanna County.  He checked


           11              with the state and confirmed that Southern


           12              Union remains in the KOEZ program.  Any new


           13              tenants will be part of the KOEZ program


           14              until it's expiration.  The job creation


           15              requirement was merely an initial


           16              requirement.  Southern Union, in other


           17              words, only had to create the jobs not


           18              maintain them.  This is the way in which the


           19              law was written according to Mr. Namey.


           20                   According to the mayor, the Flexible


           21              Foam Warehouse which housed toxic materials


           22              was a dangerous situation that was resolved


           23              immediately.  We demanded the business


           24              remove the materials and they did and that


           25              was a quote from our mayor.  Now, either the






            1              mayor has a selective memory or is not


            2              telling the truth.  A letter was sent from


            3              the inspector's office to the assistant


            4              chiefs and fire chiefs on December 9, 2004.


            5              Foam products were to be removed in


            6              December 2004.  Toxic carpet foam lined the


            7              interior of the building floor to ceiling,


            8              wall-to-wall.  Further, there was no


            9              sprinkler system.  The issue first became


           10              public at the April 21, 2005, council


           11              meeting I believe.  At the April 28 meeting


           12              I discussed the fact that Chief Davis


           13              suspended any further action on this


           14              travesty as of December 21, 2004.  The


           15              matter was not revisited until approximately


           16              April 18, 2005, when members of the safety


           17              committee raised the seriousness of the


           18              issue again.  As of April 19, 2005,


           19              Mr. Fiorini, former director of Licensing,


           20              Inspections and Permits in the City of


           21              Scranton and Deputy Chief Osborne intended


           22              to proceed with citations, however, Flexible


           23              Foam was granted an additional 5 to 7 days


           24              to remove the toxic material by someone


           25              other than Mr. Fiorini or Deputy Chief






            1              Osborne and I don't blame the chief for his


            2              role in this potentially dangerous matter.


            3              He takes his orders ultimately from only one


            4              man who has publically acknowledged that he


            5              alone controls every department in city


            6              government.


            7                      You know, I remember a time seven


            8              years ago and prior to that when council


            9              questioned a mayor and dared to vote against


           10              a mayor's agenda and I remember a time seven


           11              years ago or more when a newspaper


           12              scrutinized every word and action of a


           13              mayor.  Today, neither dares to scrutinize


           14              this mayor's words and actions.  The


           15              newspaper, like council, takes his word for


           16              everything and anything and never strays


           17              from the mayor's agenda.


           18                      Also, I have an update on fire


           19              hydrants.  In July 2007 the safety committee


           20              agreed to use data provided by the water


           21              company to paint city fire hydrants to


           22              reflect water flow.  Firefighters


           23              volunteered to perform the painting since it


           24              would benefit them to locate fire hydrants


           25              situated in obscure areas of neighborhoods.






            1              The administration was to setup the


            2              procedure, but to date the administration


            3              has not done so.  Kay, would you request a


            4              written update from Mr. Seitzinger for the


            5              letter of February 21, 2008, please?


            6                      And I also have some citizens'


            7              request for the week, one that I just


            8              received this evening it regards cars parked


            9              on the sidewalks at 918, 922, 924 Greenridge


           10              Street and the individual claims this is a


           11              hazard especially when it snows and I'll


           12              give this to you, Neil, along with my


           13              requests from citizens I have received.


           14                      A letter to Mr. Brazil, DPW, 337 --


           15              339 Putnam Street, this road was paved by


           16              Locust Ridge.  Because of improper paving


           17              the homeowners' property floods in summer


           18              months and ices over in winter months.


           19              Please visit the location, speak with the


           20              homeowner and determine what can be done to


           21              alleviate the problem.


           22                      A letter to Mr. Brazil and


           23              Mr. Luciani.  Residents of Parker Street


           24              would like to know if the industrial pump


           25              has been purchased.  If it has not when did






            1              you intend to make the purchase?  The pump


            2              is needed for flooding on Parker Street and


            3              was promised in 2006.  Please respond on or


            4              about March 21, 2008.


            5                      Please send an inspector to Luzerne


            6              Street and 14th Avenue.  Neighbors report


            7              that garbage cans and recycling bins remain


            8              on the sidewalk at all times.  The area


            9              where the garage stood is littered with


           10              broken concrete, an old water heater and


           11              other debris.  Please address as soon as


           12              possible.


           13                      Council also received a responsible


           14              from the University of Scranton concerning


           15              preparations for the St. Patrick's Day


           16              parade weekend which I will mail to the


           17              concerned residents of the Hill Section who


           18              have contacted me.


           19                      Also, in response to


           20              Mrs. Schumacher's concerns, I would like to


           21              know, as she mentioned, the dollar amount


           22              that remains currently in each of the


           23              accounts after these funds have been removed


           24              for the purchase of a fire truck and if we


           25              could pose the question as well why is this






            1              money not being taken from the capital


            2              budget and could council please have those


            3              responses prior to next Tuesday's meeting.


            4                   And, finally, I'd like to wish all of


            5              you a very happy and a very safe St.


            6              Patrick's Day weekend.  I hope you will all


            7              come to Scranton and enjoy parade day with


            8              all of us.  That's it.


            9                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mrs. Evans.


           10              Mrs. Gatelli.


           11                      MR. GATELLI: Well, Mr. Murray I


           12              think is gone, but I wanted to welcome all


           13              of the students from West Scranton High


           14              School, some of them are still up there and


           15              thank you for participating in the council


           16              meeting.


           17                      I'd like to wish a speedy recovery


           18              to Matae O'Tallo, a very special friend of


           19              mine, and also a prayer for a fellow


           20              employee and a friend, a young woman who


           21              passed away this week, her name is Sandra


           22              Ancelimi, if you would keep her in your


           23              prayers and also another school district


           24              employee who is a very dear friend of mine


           25              who is very, very ill and suffering terribly






            1              and his name is John D'Angelo if you would


            2              keep them both in your prayers.


            3                      I would like to make a motion that


            4              we send a letter to Senator Mellow urging


            5              him to pass the comprehensive smoking ban.


            6              There are at least 40 some states that have


            7              passed it.  The country of France, the


            8              Country of Mexico, there are whole countries


            9              putting in a smoking ban and for some reason


           10              the State of Pennsylvania just doesn't get


           11              it.  If they put a comprehensive one in it


           12              would be fair for everyone.  There is no


           13              problem with it in New York.  Whenever I go


           14              to New York the restaurants are full, the


           15              bars are full, they just get used to it and


           16              it's fair for everybody.  And regardless of


           17              what anybody says about secondhand smoke not


           18              affecting your health, I can't believe you


           19              could possibly make such a statement.  There


           20              are studies upon studies of medical


           21              information that secondhand smoke does,


           22              indeed, affect your health, especially


           23              children and it affected my health.  I


           24              smoked for 35 years and I have chronic


           25              pulmonary disease from it.  So, yes, indeed,






            1              of course when you smoke it hurts you, but


            2              the smoke that the other person is breathing


            3              is hurting them also.  So I'd like to make a


            4              motion that we encourage Senator Mellow


            5              since he seems to be the one that is sitting


            6              on the fence here and I believe it's because


            7              of the casinos that there is a problem.  I


            8              had heard that Atlantic City called


            9              Pennsylvania and said, "We'll do it if you


           10              do it," so everybody is willing to do it but


           11              nobody wants to be the first one of the


           12              casinos, I don't care if they smoke in the


           13              casinos to tell you the truth, let's get a


           14              ban at least on the restaurants, a


           15              comprehensive ban, so I'd make a motion that


           16              we send a letter to Senator Mellow to


           17              encourage him to get this done one way or


           18              the other.


           19                      MS. FANUCCI: I'll second that.


           20                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?


           21                      MS. EVANS: I would just like to add


           22              that I have always felt if a smoking ban is


           23              to be enacted it must be a statewide smoking


           24              ban because this is the only measure that


           25              provides a level playing field for all






            1              businesses throughout the Commonwealth.


            2              It's my fervent hope, however, that indeed


            3              it includes all businesses, casinos


            4              included.  There can be no exceptions


            5              because if there are you are opening the


            6              door to discrimination suits and I don't


            7              think we can afford to see the State of


            8              Pennsylvania entangled in lawsuits going


            9              forward.  We have many needs throughout the


           10              Commonwealth and we don't have enough money


           11              to fund them as it is so I don't think we


           12              need to be spending money needlessly.  So,


           13              my opinion is it goes statewide and it


           14              includes everyone, every place or nothing at


           15              all.  And I do believe that the majority of


           16              the people who reside in the Commonwealth of


           17              Pennsylvania are in favor of the smoking ban


           18              and I believe, too, that the majority of


           19              city residents would favor that.


           20                      And as a representative of all of


           21              the people I know Mr. Davis questioned if


           22              any of us represent central city and I


           23              didn't want to respond at that point, but I


           24              would respond to him now.  I do.  I feel I


           25              represent every section of the city, not






            1              one, but all sections.  So, again, I feel


            2              that because the majority would favor this I


            3              have got to represent that majority and so I


            4              would be voting, yes, but unlike


            5              Mrs. Gatelli I do care if the casinos are


            6              exempt.  I don't want them exempted.  I want


            7              everyone on board.


            8                      MS. GATELLI: Well, I'll agree.


            9              We'll send it for everything.  Absolutely.


           10                      MS. FANUCCI: If we are still on the


           11              question I think I should at least have to


           12              say absolutely that you know that there is


           13              no question about how I feel about the


           14              smoking ban.  I still believe and I'm


           15              thrilled that we did what we did in the


           16              first place just to finally say this it what


           17              we want and this is what we need as a city


           18              and a state.  It is inevitable that it's


           19              going to happen.  It has to happen because


           20              it is happening everywhere.  If Mexico can


           21              do it and, you know, I don't like to say it


           22              out loud, but they smoke a lot more than we


           23              do.  If they can do it then I think that


           24              this is a very big issue for all of us.


           25                   Listen, everybody's right to smoke,






            1              this is another issue, you know, Mr.


            2              Talimini gets up and he is almost offended


            3              that I'm going to tell him he can't smoke.


            4              I'm not saying you can't smoke, I'm saying I


            5              don't want your smoke.  I don't want it


            6              inhaled what you are having, and I'm very


            7              happy that your family has done very well


            8              and that's very lucky, but most people have


            9              not done that well.  Most people have died


           10              very horrible deaths and a lot of them were


           11              nonsmokers.  In fact, I myself have family


           12              members who have suffered with cancer due to


           13              secondhand smoke.  Secondhand smoke.  Not


           14              their's, so the number one cancer that is


           15              caused by secondhand smoke is kidney cancer


           16              right now, so if people are diagnosed with


           17              kidney cancer they are saying that is from


           18              secondhand smoke.  They have no other


           19              reason.  I mean, it's just terrible, but I


           20              guess Mrs. Schumacher thinks that funny, but


           21              I find it a wonderful thing.  I find that


           22              the support is beyond.  I find that these


           23              kids have been nothing but courageous


           24              getting up here because I'll tell you to be


           25              able to get up in front of people who have






            1              been nothing about cruel and very


            2              disheartening as far as citizens are


            3              concerned is not easy and I do commend them


            4              for even having the guts to say what they


            5              feel and to call them anything but


            6              courageous is just absurd.  They have not


            7              brought this forth because, so that we


            8              could, you know, sit here and dispute.  They


            9              came here and said this is what we want.


           10              They didn't leave us an issue, they said


           11              this is what we want and we believe in it


           12              and how smart are they that they can see


           13              something that a lot of elected officials


           14              have not seen yet, and I just want to thank


           15              them for at least coming forward whether or


           16              not you like or agree with their views they


           17              still are enacting what they feel which is


           18              their right to speak and their right to do


           19              what they feel is correct and I want to


           20              thank them for that.


           21                      So, yes, obviously, I am all for the


           22              smoking ban.  I'm for all inclusive.  I feel


           23              that that is going to be the issue that's


           24              leading them right now, in fact, this


           25              morning the reason they have not done a






            1              permanent structure of the law is because


            2              that is the issue, so I hope that we can


            3              come to some understanding and if you are


            4              out there call and tell them what you want


            5              that's what they are there for.  That's what


            6              your legislators are there for.  That's all


            7              I have.


            8                      MR. MCGOFF: The motion is to send a


            9              letter to Senator Mellow urging his support


           10              and his vote for the comprehensive smoking


           11              ban.  All those in favor.


           12                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           13                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           14                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           15                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           16                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           17              ayes have it and so moved.


           18                      MS. GATELLI:  Thank you.  The other


           19              thing I have is they keep repeating about


           20              the charges on the delinquent properties.  I


           21              voted on that, I believe in it, and I'm


           22              going to keep my stand on that.  You need to


           23              pay your taxes.  I was always told and


           24              always heard when I was a little girl there


           25              is two things you do in life, you die and






            1              you pay your taxes.  So, pay your taxes and


            2              you won't have any fees.  There are plans


            3              for people that are having a problem, but I


            4              do believe in the charges and I do believe


            5              we are getting a lot of the absentee


            6              landlords which is what I would like to be


            7              focused upon.


            8                      People are talking about jobs we


            9              don't have enough jobs here.  They are


           10              right.  We don't have enough jobs here.  I


           11              am disappointed in the Chamber of Commerce,


           12              I have been for many years.  I don't think


           13              that they bring enough high paying jobs in


           14              the City of Scranton.  They are usually very


           15              low paying, so I do agree with that, but I


           16              would also like to state that that's a


           17              problem in the whole country.


           18                      Some cities across America are all


           19              suffering the way we are.  If you think that


           20              it's only Scranton, PA, you are badly


           21              mistaken.  Every small city in America is


           22              suffering.  They are suffering with all of


           23              the foreclosures.  You read U.S.A. Today the


           24              they are at a high in the country


           25              foreclosures.  The economy is very, very






            1              bad.  There is no jobs, jobs are been taken


            2              by illegals.  People aren't paying taxes.


            3              The economy is not good.  Gas is high,


            4              utilities are high, the taxes are high,


            5              everyone is borrowing.  Check every city in


            6              America you will find out that it's all


            7              across the country.  We need a change in our


            8              government and I think it's coming.


            9                      And the only other thing I have to


           10              say is I wore my shamrocks from Mr. McGoff.


           11              He likes his shamrocks so I wore them for


           12              him tonight and Happy St. Patrick's Day to


           13              everyone and I hope that everyone goes to


           14              the parade, as Mrs. Evans said, and I hope


           15              that the tavern owners will oblige the


           16              District Attorney, City Council and the


           17              Lackawanna County Commission on Drug Abuse


           18              and Alcohol Abuse.  This is a time for


           19              families to be together, not a time for an


           20              another tragedy, not a time for people


           21              throwing up in front of your grandchildren


           22              on the street.  It's really disgraceful that


           23              that happens and I'm ashamed to say I live


           24              here when those kinds of things happen.  I


           25              know the mayor is going to have a lot of






            1              policemen out and I hope the district


            2              attorney has a lot of his detectives out to


            3              prevent some of these incidents from


            4              happening and that people are all adults and


            5              know that they shouldn't be drinking like


            6              that.  They shouldn't be inebriated to the


            7              point of vomiting, that's not good for you


            8              either, and it's certainly not a good


            9              example when we take our children and our


           10              grandchildren to the parade.  So I hope that


           11              everyone acts responsibly and the tavern


           12              owners if they would only cooperate and open


           13              later or open even after the parade as the


           14              Commission on Alcohol and Drug Abuse


           15              suggested that would really be wonderful and


           16              they could make their money later.  I mean


           17              the people are still going to go there, so


           18              that's my only desire and I hope that


           19              everyone that does go has a good time and


           20              happy St. Patrick's Day.


           21                      MR. MCGOFF: Mrs. Fanucci.


           22                      MS. FANUCCI: I have a few answers


           23              that might help clear some things up.  As


           24              far as the money that's allocated for the


           25              firetruck, the $23,000 that was allocated






            1              for the big hole collapse over in South


            2              Side, if you remember when that happened.


            3              They had put that money aside for that and


            4              it ended up to be state funded so they


            5              didn't need it, so that's what that money


            6              was for and this might help with Mrs. Evans,


            7              also, the fire hydrants are not the city's


            8              property anymore, so that money, and all


            9              accounts, every time we do this, the account


           10              will end up at zero.  Every project is


           11              funded as every project.  It is not one big


           12              lump account and I thought I made that clear


           13              a few weeks ago.  When you have one project


           14              there is a certain amount of money that's


           15              allocated for that project.  When the money


           16              runs out or if there's still more money


           17              still left in that account it is not in all


           18              lumped together, it is only for that one


           19              project, every project has it's own little


           20              blurb of account.  The fire hydrants are not


           21              the city's responsibility anymore, that is


           22              why that money is available because the city


           23              is not in charge of that and we actually


           24              received a letter stating that I think it


           25              was from the water company saying that they






            1              did not feel it was necessary to have a


            2              painting of that and, Kay, do you remember


            3              it was awhile ago that letter?


            4                      MS. GARVEY: Yeah, we did get a


            5              letter.


            6                      MS. FANUCCI: We did get a letter


            7              saying that they did not feel that was


            8              something that they wanted to take part in,


            9              in considering they are the ones in charge


           10              of the fire hydrants now that might be their


           11              reason.


           12                      I also, obviously, I spoke on the


           13              smoking ban and I also wanted to say about


           14              to Mr. Ancherani, Mr. Ancherani, I was sick


           15              and I'm sorry I did not get the information


           16              I do have it and Candace is home, too, and


           17              she is waiting for my response, also.  I


           18              will give you exactly what I was told from


           19              them when I sat down in a meeting with them


           20              to make sure that I was on the right page


           21              with this because I certainly didn't want to


           22              give you misinformation, but I do have all


           23              of that information for you and I will leave


           24              it with Kay this week, everything for that.


           25              And, Candace, the reason I didn't do it is






            1              because I don't have a scanner so I couldn't


            2              scan it and send it to you, but you will get


            3              it this week, also.


            4                      And as far as the Southern Union


            5              building, there has been a lot of talk about


            6              Southern Union and, you know, every time I


            7              open my mouth about Southern Union it always


            8              comes back because when it changes for some


            9              reason it's not allowed to change and what I


           10              am told they are not selling Southern Union


           11              right now.  They are not willing to sell it.


           12              They don't even want to rent it right now,


           13              so I'm not sure what the reasoning is behind


           14              that, but I do believe that there are people


           15              who did reach out to talk to them and they


           16              didn't even want to have a discussion.  So,


           17              I'm not sure what the plan is there or why,


           18              but if I do find out I certainly will let


           19              everyone know, but I inquired about that


           20              also, how come it's not even being shown,


           21              you know, a lot of people are coming in, we


           22              have businesses coming and why aren't they


           23              given the option and that's what I was told,


           24              so I thought that should be told, and that


           25              is all I have.






            1                      As far as St. Patrick's Day


            2              everybody have a great time, enjoy your


            3              families and please be careful.


            4                      MS. EVANS: Mr. Courtright, can I


            5              just say one thing before you start about


            6              the fire hydrants?  Yes, I'm aware that the


            7              water company owns them and the water


            8              company tests them because the city does not


            9              have the equipment to do that, but I do


           10              believe the water company turns over all of


           11              the information regarding the hydrants to


           12              the city and I don't believe they were


           13              opposed to the painting of it.  Everyone was


           14              in agreement it wouldn't really be at any


           15              cost other than the paint --


           16                      MS. FANUCCI: Right.


           17                      MS. EVANS: -- because the fire


           18              department is going to take care of it and


           19              everyone on the committee was in agreement,


           20              it was just a matter of setting up a


           21              procedure and that's the hold-up since July


           22              the administration did not come up with the


           23              procedure so the firefighters are still


           24              waiting --


           25                      MS. FANUCCI: To paint.






            1                      MS. EVANS: -- to paint.


            2                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Mr. McGoff, I met


            3              with the fire department this week on Chief


            4              Davis.  A sidebar was the fire hydrants.  We


            5              spoke with Dave Schreiber, maybe next, Dave,


            6              if you have the opportunity maybe you can


            7              come and give us your explanation of it.  I


            8              don't know that I would do justice to what


            9              you told us so I think it would be better


           10              coming from you.


           11                      We met, Mr. McGoff and myself with


           12              Mr. Davis and now we have met with a fire


           13              department representatives from the union


           14              and my hope from the very start was to be as


           15              far as possible to both sides and try to


           16              have a resolution come up that was fair to


           17              all concerned and to be as impartial as


           18              possible and that's still my hope.


           19                      With that said, I would like to make


           20              a motion that Scranton City Council send a


           21              letter to Mayor Doherty and to Scranton Fire


           22              Fighter union president Dave Schreiber


           23              recommending to them to use an outside


           24              agency or an individual to conduct an


           25              investigation into the allegations brought






            1              to Scranton City Council by the Scranton


            2              Firefighters' Union against Chief Tom Davis.


            3                      MS. EVANS: Second.


            4                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?


            5                      MS. EVANS: I know that


            6              Mr. Courtright wanted to make this motion


            7              last week but postponed doing so because of


            8              the absence of two council members, so that


            9              they would have the opportunity to cast


           10              their votes this evening and I do believe


           11              that such an independent investigation is


           12              warranted because none of us are


           13              appropriately experienced or schooled to


           14              pass judgment in this situation.  So, I do


           15              think, however, it should follow due process


           16              and that an outside agency, someone who is


           17              familiar with the concepts of firefighting


           18              and fire management should come in and sort


           19              this out and make the proper recommendations


           20              and if the situation has no merit and the


           21              fire chief's name is cleared so be it.  All


           22              to the better, if on the other hand they


           23              found the charges have merit and they make


           24              recommendations for improvements or changes


           25              then they should be made and if they are not






            1              I feel that's going to reflect very badly on


            2              this administration, and particularly on


            3              this mayor who contends that he is in charge


            4              of the fire department and I do believe that


            5              is the most fair solution in this situation


            6              and I can't imagine that the mayor as a


            7              reasonable man would refuse an independent,


            8              objective investigation.


            9                      MS. GATELLI: I just have a real


           10              problem with this.  If I had a problem at


           11              work and one of my bosses was either


           12              harassing me in some fashion or asking me to


           13              do something say with a student with


           14              medication or something that I knew would


           15              hurt that student, my first recourse would


           16              be to call my union.  My union would then


           17              meet with me and the person that I was


           18              accusing of doing X, Y and Z to and we would


           19              try to find a resolution.  If that didn't


           20              happen I believe the next step is we would


           21              go to the superintendent of schools and


           22              plead our case to him.  The next step after


           23              that would be to go in front of the school


           24              board and bring the problem to them.


           25                      If all of those avenues don't work






            1              then an arbitrator or a mediator person is


            2              brought in to hear the case and it's settled


            3              in that fashion.  When I called to find out


            4              if any grievances were ever filed in the


            5              fire department I was told that there was


            6              only one grievance filed, so my concern is,


            7              number one, who are we going to get to come


            8              in here for an independent study, my second


            9              question is why wasn't the union contract


           10              followed through the grievance procedure


           11              which Mr. Gervasi said there is a grievance


           12              procedure and I checked and there is, so why


           13              don't we go through those steps and have an


           14              arbitrator come in and decide is this right


           15              or is this right in case number one.  Case


           16              number two, is this right or is this right?


           17              So, you know, that's how I feel about it.  I


           18              think that we should go that route.  I don't


           19              know who I would pick as an independent


           20              person.


           21                      MS. EVANS: We don't pick.


           22                      MS. GATELLI: Well, who picks?


           23                      MS. EVANS: If I understand


           24              Mr. Courtright correctly it's going to be a


           25              joint decision between the firefighters'






            1              union and the mayor.  They have to decide on


            2              a mediator that they both agree upon.  One


            3              side can't demand, you know, Mr. X and if


            4              the other side has any type of opposition to


            5              that then Mr. X will not be the individual;


            6              correct?


            7                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  I think -- I hope


            8              everybody is understanding, I'm saying this


            9              is just us recommending to them because


           10              that's why Mr. Minora had no problem.  I'm


           11              not saying we are ordering them or


           12              compelling them, we simply don't have that


           13              right.  I'm just saying we make a


           14              recommendation.  If both sides of the


           15              firefighters' union and the mayor agree then


           16              that would be up to them to determine who


           17              they would pick and how the process would


           18              work.


           19                      My problem is this because some


           20              people agree with us being involved and some


           21              people can't.  Believe it or not, the last


           22              two weeks have been consumed with this, it


           23              really has, I know a lot of firefighters and


           24              I know Tom Davis and I have some very, ery


           25              good friends that have been lifelong friends






            1              of Tom Davis and, unfortunately, sitting on


            2              this council sometimes you are put in


            3              positions that are not enviable, and this is


            4              one of them, and I'm just trying to be fair


            5              to both sides and that's all I'm looking


            6              for, and it's just a recommendation.  They


            7              don't have to take our recommendation, but


            8              what do I do when such things are brought to


            9              me, I can't simply put my hands over my ears


           10              and say, "This is not my job."


           11                      And maybe technically it isn't, I'm


           12              just saying it's just a recommendation, it's


           13              not an order, it's not us compelling them in


           14              any way, shape or form because I think if I


           15              was doing that Mr. Minora would be jumping


           16              up telling me you can't do that.  And I


           17              believe when we discussed this about two


           18              weeks ago I thought all of us with the


           19              exception of you, Mr. McGoff, were, you


           20              know, in favor of that and, again, it's a


           21              recommendation.  They don't have to take our


           22              recommendation.


           23                      MS. GATELLI: Well, I mean, I'm not


           24              saying I wouldn't be in favor of it, I'm


           25              just saying why didn't they go through the






            1              procedures that I would have to go through


            2              in my school district?


            3                      MR. COURTRIGHT: If you can read, and


            4              I don't even know if it's in the minutes


            5              that we did, but I don't want to say


            6              anything on the air here that maybe I


            7              shouldn't say, but there is minutes from


            8              when we spoke with Chief Davis and there is


            9              minutes that why Kay took the time to type


           10              every single word is beyond me, but she


           11              typed every single word that is on the tape


           12              and there might be some answers to that in


           13              there, I just don't want to say here on the


           14              air because I'm afraid if somebody --


           15                      MS. GATELLI: And, Attorney Minora,


           16              you don't see any problem with this?


           17                      MR. MINORA: Well, it's only a


           18              recommendation and both parties can reject


           19              it or one party can reject it.


           20                      MS. GATELLI:  Then what?


           21                      MR. MINORA: Well, they are grievance


           22              issues that --


           23                      MS. GATELLI: Yeah, but I would like


           24              to see them get a resolve to it.


           25                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Absolutely.  That's






            1              my goal is a amicable resolution.


            2                      MR. MCGOFF: I would like to


            3              interject, I have been involved in the same


            4              meetings as Mr. Courtright, I have listened


            5              to Chief Dais and I have listened to


            6              representatives from the firefighters'


            7              union.  I will say that I have gone back and


            8              forth on this knowing that Mr. Courtright


            9              was going to make this motion, I have gone


           10              back and forth.  At some points I have been


           11              adamantly opposed.  At one point I was in


           12              favor.  As I think about it there are


           13              merits, there are merits to this, but in the


           14              long run it's my belief that nothing will


           15              accomplished by it, that in the end all


           16              that's going to be done even if this -- even


           17              if an arbitrator were to be called in the


           18              best that could come out of it would be


           19              recommendations which the mayor could then


           20              reject or approve.


           21                      I don't know why the fire -- these


           22              recommendations can't simply be met.  There


           23              is a process now for making these


           24              recommendations.  Why do we need a third


           25              party to step in at this point, that the






            1              firefighters have already been meeting with


            2              the mayor and certain committees to resolve


            3              some of the issues, issues dealing with


            4              standard operating procedures are being


            5              addressed, issues dealing with relations


            6              between the chief and firefighters are being


            7              addressed, the safety issues are being


            8              addressed.  I don't see -- I think you used,


            9              Mrs. Evans used the term due process.  I


           10              think it has gone through due process.  I


           11              think that the process has been followed and


           12              I believe that we are resolving the issue.


           13              I think that adding another layer to this is


           14              simply redundant and unnecessary, and as I


           15              indicated to Mr. Courtright earlier in the


           16              day, I will -- I am not in favor of this


           17              motion.


           18                      MS. FANUCCI: Like I stated last


           19              time, at the end of the day the mayor is


           20              going to say what he said which is, "I'm not


           21              removing him," so to keep going through this


           22              over and over again for "I'm not removing


           23              him" just seems to be spinning on our wheels


           24              and spinning other people's wheels and now


           25              spending $30,000 on a consultant to come in






            1              and sit and do this.  I'm thrilled that they


            2              are sitting down -- there is no cost?  Okay.


            3              I'm thrilled -- why, does the union pay for


            4              it?


            5                      MR. SCHREIBER: Through the


            6              Mediator's Association.


            7                      MS. FANUCCI: Oh, the Mediator's


            8              Association, but in the instances where this


            9              has happened before, even the one where I


           10              read today where there was eight


           11              firefighters that had perished in a fire


           12              they tried to remove the chief and it didn't


           13              happen.  It was -- you know, this to me


           14              seems like we just keep spinning or wheels


           15              over and over again.  The mayor made a


           16              statement, it's his administration, if


           17              that's what's going to happen that's what's


           18              going to happen.  He is not going to remove


           19              the chief.


           20                      As far as them sitting down, I think


           21              it's wonderful that now at least the


           22              firefighters are sifting down with the mayor


           23              on a regular basis, maybe this is something


           24              that can start the communication process,


           25              maybe this is something that can, you know,






            1              spearhead maybe signing and deciding on


            2              their contracts and negotiating that way.


            3              This to me seems like we are going to go


            4              backwards now where we have communication


            5              taking place which can only be beneficial


            6              under any circumstances and now we are going


            7              to throw a wrench into that, and I'm afraid


            8              if that happens we are just going to keep


            9              dividing and dividing and dividing.  The


           10              stance is the same, we know it's going to


           11              take place, so to go through all of this it


           12              is not something that I believe in, it is


           13              not something that I would be voting for and


           14              that's all I have to say.


           15                      MS. EVANS: If I just might add, if


           16              the fire fight department presented dates


           17              and locations, photos, affidavits, anything


           18              of that nature and that goes ignored by


           19              anyone then shame on you because you allowed


           20              it to happen, but, again, the final onus in


           21              this is on the mayor's shoulders and if he


           22              refuses a mediator or an arbitrator then


           23              shame on him.  That's says an awful lot


           24              about his judgment and the value he places


           25              on the men and women of the Scranton Fire






            1              Department and the men and women and


            2              children of the City of Scranton.


            3                      And incidentally, there is one final


            4              recourse and I have mentioned to


            5              Mr. Courtright before as Chairman of the


            6              Public Safety Committee he is empowered by I


            7              believe it's a state law, a regulation, to


            8              call for an investigation, single handedly


            9              without a vote of city council and without


           10              interference from the mayor and if all of


           11              this fails, Mr. Courtright, I believe that


           12              is what you should do.  If it were my


           13              committee that is what I would do and I


           14              trust your judgment.  I believe that you are


           15              very knowledgeable in terms of your public


           16              safety committee and you are very close to


           17              the men and women of the public safety


           18              departments and I'm sure that you will at


           19              all times put their best interest first.


           20                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I'm not real sure


           21              about what you are speaking about, I know


           22              there is such a thing and I certainly hope


           23              to avoid that, that was one of my reasons I


           24              wanted to do this.  If we were to send this


           25              letter to the mayor and to the firefighters'






            1              union then this council has done due


            2              diligence and then the decision would be


            3              placed on the mayor.  If that doesn't happen


            4              then I'm going to have to step back and take


            5              a look at see what is my obligation.  Again,


            6              it's a position that I don't like being in,


            7              but I'm here and there is not much I can do


            8              about it.  I'm here, it is my committee, and


            9              I thought two weeks ago four of us were in


           10              agreement.  I believe you both said it was a


           11              good idea, didn't you?


           12                      MS. GATELLI:  Yes, I did think it


           13              was a good idea, but when I t talk to the e


           14              union where I work and got other union's


           15              opinions on it, I still don't understand why


           16              they are not following the grievance


           17              procedure.  They will get an arbitrator in.


           18              That's what happens when you don't settle


           19              the case; am I right, Amil?  With the


           20              grievance procedure at the end the


           21              arbitrator or mediator, or whatever you word


           22              you want to use.


           23                      MR. MINORA: You will have a fact


           24              finder of some form.


           25                      MS. GATELLI: So like are we in it






            1              when they should be filing grievances?  In


            2              the school district we file grievances for


            3              our problems.


            4                      MR. COURTRIGHT: And without


            5              disclosing everything in the public that


            6              happened in there I believe they are telling


            7              us, the firefighters, I'm trying to say this


            8              so I don't put anything out there that I'm


            9              not supposed to put out there, that they


           10              more or less have done that and that's --


           11                      MS. GATELLI: But there is no


           12              grievances.  I have looked, there is none.


           13                      MS. FANUCCI: There would have to be


           14              a record.


           15                      MS. GATELLI:  There is no grievances


           16              filed.


           17                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I just don't want to


           18              expand on it any further, I'm afraid that I


           19              will say something that I'm not allowed to


           20              say, you know, in case this goes further


           21              than this and I disclose something that I


           22              shouldn't disclose, but I believe it would


           23              be in the minutes, I believe it's in the


           24              minutes.


           25                      MS. GATELLI: I would like to make a






            1              motion that we table this.  I was absent


            2              last week, I apologize, I was absent for


            3              personal reasons.  I'd like to table it for


            4              a week and maybe council can meet with our


            5              solicitor before the meeting next week.


            6                      MS. EVANS: Well, you know, I'm not


            7              opposed to that, but I think we need to stop


            8              putting so many hats on our solicitor.  He


            9              is an assistant --


           10                      MS. GATELLI: Well, is paid very


           11              handily for giving his opinion.


           12                      MS. EVANS: Well, yes, he is,


           13              however, you know, I think he is very


           14              knowledgeable in criminal law, and I know he


           15              served with OECD for many years, but I don't


           16              know that we have an expert in this type of


           17              law and I really don't know that we need


           18              anyone to dictate what's right and wrong


           19              here.  It's very simple, we have taken it as


           20              far as we can as a group.  It needs to go to


           21              the next step.


           22                      MS. GATELLI: I don't have enough


           23              information right now to vote, yes, and I


           24              apologize, Dave, so if I can't get a motion


           25              to table it until next week I'm going to be






            1              voting, no, and I have to apologize for that


            2              because I don't have enough information.  I


            3              don't know about those meetings.  I don't


            4              know what was said at them, I don't know why


            5              you didn't say something long before this


            6              you know, and if you did then why didn't you


            7              file a grievance.


            8                      MR. SCHREIBER:  We did.


            9                      MS. GATELLI:  And if you did then


           10              why didn't you file a grievance?  I


           11              certainly wouldn't let this happen in my


           12              medical room at West Scranton High School.


           13                      MR. SCHREIBER: We did.


           14                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Why don't we -- I'll


           15              be willing to withdraw my motion for this


           16              week, and let me say this, I know three of


           17              us can't meet with anybody, but obviously


           18              Mrs. Fanucci and Mrs. Gatelli have


           19              concerns--


           20                      MS. GATELLI: We can meet in caucus


           21              because it's personnel.


           22                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Take a look at the


           23              minutes, there's a tape of the firefighters,


           24              there is no tape of Chief Davis, but there


           25              is minutes, and then maybe you and Mrs.






            1              Fanucci can sit down with Mr. Schreiber and


            2              Mr. Judge and have a conversation that me


            3              and Mr. McGoff had and I know they can


            4              answer the question for you, I just don't


            5              want to answer them, I'm afraid of saying


            6              something --


            7                      MS. FANUCCI: No, and I certainly


            8              don't want to discuss it out here.


            9                      MR. COURTRIGHT: -- that I'm not


           10              supposed to say that would jeopardize one


           11              side or the other.


           12                      MS. GATELLI: I mean, there is a


           13              person's livelihood here, too, I mean


           14              whether you like you like the guy or not,


           15              would you like it to be you that we are


           16              talking about up here every week?


           17                      MS. EVANS: Well, I don't think--


           18                      MS. GATELLI: No, I don't think you


           19              would.


           20                      MS. EVANS: Please, let's -- I agree


           21              with you, but let's not make these blanket


           22              statements about you like someone or you


           23              don't like someone.  It has absolutely


           24              nothing to do with it.


           25                      MS. GATELLI:  That's what I said.






            1              It's charges.  I'm not friends with him.


            2                      MS. EVANS: And I don't know the man


            3              other than --


            4                      MS. GATELLI:  You want charges


            5              against you at West Scranton High School and


            6              everybody talk about at the school board


            7              meeting about you?  I don't.


            8                      MR. MCGOFF: Excuse me --


            9                      MS. EVANS: No, but if I were guilty


           10              of it I'm sure that there would be.


           11                      MS. GATELLI: Oh, no, I'm sure you'd


           12              want your privacy.  It's a personnel matter,


           13              and I think it's offensive that it's even


           14              being discussed up here.


           15                      MR. MCGOFF: Mrs. Gatelli, please.


           16              Please.  Mr. Courtright, has indicated that


           17              he would like to withdraw the motion to give


           18              council members additional time to review


           19              the information.


           20                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I will withdraw my


           21              motion so that everybody on council has


           22              ample time to make an educated decision, I'm


           23              only trying to be as far as we possibly


           24              could so I will withdraw my motion for


           25              today.






            1                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.


            2                      MS. GATELLI:  Thank you,


            3              Mr. Courtright.


            4                      MR. COURTRIGHT: You're welcome.


            5              Okay.  You know, I started when I first was


            6              on council trying to give compliments to


            7              city workers and I can got away from that a


            8              little bit because every department is


            9              willing to -- clerical, police, fire, DPW,


           10              but I would just like to thank John Traino,


           11              John Pizzo and Gerry Shock for the work they


           12              did this week on the roads.  It's difficult


           13              to keep them, I know horrible the potholes


           14              are horrible in this city, it's difficult to


           15              keep them.  We're only using coal patch


           16              right now, I mean, they are out there and


           17              doing the best they could.  Another issue,


           18              I'm not quite sure where I go with this and


           19              I'll come in here tomorrow when I get a


           20              letter to Kay, I have had people from


           21              parents, people that are employed by the


           22              Scranton School District and the police


           23              officers I don't know why, but it just


           24              seemed two different or three different


           25              instances in the last week and a half they






            1              came to me and asked me about it and it's


            2              the roads around schools, congestion in the


            3              mornings and in the evenings or in the


            4              afternoons I should say when school is being


            5              let out, and I'm just trying to get the


            6              second one I've had corresponding to in


            7              particular is Willard school, and they asked


            8              me why we couldn't take a look at in having


            9              one-way on Hampton Street and Vine Street


           10              where the school is and they cited, and I'm


           11              sorry I forget the town that they told me, I


           12              actually have a person pull me over Saturday


           13              night and put the window down and explain


           14              this to me, one town actually does this I


           15              guess around all of schools and so I'm going


           16              to take a look at Willard School, I believe


           17              we would try to consider taking a look at


           18              making Pine Street heading one-way heading


           19              east and making Hampton Street a one-way


           20              heading west to alleviate a lot of problem.


           21              They had a child hit there the other day,


           22              there was a child killed on the corner of


           23              Hampton and Eynon some years ago coming from


           24              school.  I guess right now being we don't


           25              have a George Parker anymore in the city I






            1              think I will speak to Lieutenant Mackey, he


            2              is head of the traffic division, and ask him


            3              what his recommendations are and what he


            4              thinks about doing this and maybe we can try


            5              Willard School as a pilot program, but it is


            6              a legitimate concern.


            7                      Someone brought up tonight, I didn't


            8              think I was going to have something to say


            9              tonight, but such much was brought up,


           10              someone brought up, and I forget what they


           11              were saying, they were talking about dogs,


           12              viscous dogs I forget who it was, but I had


           13              gotten a call two weeks ago from a woman


           14              that is very, very well versed in dog


           15              grooming and dog obedience and she told me,


           16              I believe she said it was Reading that they


           17              tried to -- or they did I guess enact an


           18              ordinance of her viscous dog, a specific


           19              breed and it was overturned, you cannot cite


           20              any specific breed for a viscous dog.  You


           21              might be able to make a viscous dog


           22              ordinance in general, I don't know the


           23              answer to that one, but not any one specific


           24              breed and that's been tried and thrown out.


           25                   Maybe next week Mr. Minora can give me






            1              an answer for this one, I guess a lot of


            2              people are sending Right no Know letters all


            3              of a sudden and they are asking me, one


            4              person was asking me when they send a Right


            5              to Know letter and they don't get an answer


            6              in a time frame, whatever, I don't even know


            7              what the time frame is, what do they go from


            8              there?  You know, maybe next week you can


            9              answer that.


           10                      MR. MINORA: I'll be glad to talk to


           11              you about it.


           12                      MR. COURTRIGHT: And, Kay, if council


           13              agrees you can send it for all of council,


           14              but if not you can just send it from me,


           15              about another subject about the Housing


           16              Authority, I can't recall who told me that


           17              there is going to be work done on Washington


           18              West and they are going to tear it down and


           19              rehab it and I can't recall who it was so we


           20              can't go back and ask them, if we can send a


           21              letter to whoever is in charge now, whoever


           22              it taking Mr. Baker's job and then carbon


           23              copy the board and ask them if they can


           24              update us on what's going on over there and


           25              then maybe we can satisfy Mr. Davis'






            1              question there.


            2                      And, lastly, I too wish everyone a


            3              Happy St. Patrick's Day, but I spoke to Dave


            4              Elliott a couple of weeks back about what's


            5              going to take place as far as law


            6              enforcement on that day and he got back to


            7              me, we do have, you know, they don't want to


            8              give out specific numbers of who we are


            9              going to have on the street, you know, kind


           10              of give away their plan, but they have


           11              beefed up patrols during the parade.  They


           12              have beefed up patrols on the second shift,


           13              the police department I spoke to the


           14              University of Scranton and the University of


           15              Scranton does have, I don't know how many,


           16              but they do have officers that have arrest


           17              powers and at one time they didn't have the


           18              authority to arrest anybody, they do have


           19              officers that have arrest powers.  There is


           20              going to be a larger presence of police,


           21              when I say that being state police due to


           22              the fact that Mrs. Clinton is going to be in


           23              the area so there will be a state police


           24              presence there, also.  I don't know 7:00 or


           25              9:00 is going to make a difference, I think






            1              if we had 11:00 or 12:00 maybe it would make


            2              a difference, but I guess 9:00 is better


            3              than 7:00, and that's all I have.  Thank


            4              you.


            5                      MR. MCGOFF: I, too, would just like


            6              to make mention of the parade, St. Patrick's


            7              Day parade.  I am a member of the parade


            8              committee.  My work on the parade committee


            9              is very limited.  I help out with the actual


           10              race that's held prior to the parade and


           11              actually very rarely get to see all of the


           12              parade itself, but I do know that the St.


           13              Patrick's Day parade committee works very


           14              hard to provide a family oriented parade.


           15              They are not in the business of working to


           16              support local drinking establishments, their


           17              intent is to have a family parade that can


           18              be enjoyed by, you know, hundreds of people


           19              from around -- thousands of people from


           20              around the area and it is my hope as it is


           21              everyone else's here that the people do come


           22              to the parade and that people do act


           23              responsibly and enjoy what is intended to be


           24              a great day, a fun filled day for families.


           25                   Just a response to a couple of things






            1              that were said, Doug Miller mentioned the


            2              tentative day for a basketball game to


            3              support the firefighters' memorial game


            4              between the Scranton Police and Scranton


            5              Fire Department or members of, and I believe


            6              that Doug has received some confirmation


            7              that the game will be or can be held at


            8              Scranton High School, hopefully, we will


            9              have some more information for you as Doug


           10              indicated and hopefully it can be attended


           11              my those who, you know, support the


           12              memorial, and again, enjoy -- it can be an


           13              enjoyable evening and one that can be


           14              beneficial as well.


           15                      I do want to take up the task for


           16              his comments about Principal McGraw, I'm


           17              sure that Principal McGraw was not acting


           18              out of disrespect and the things that he


           19              said he was merely being an advocate of the


           20              school that he represents and the school


           21              where the event was being held.  I have


           22              known Mr. McGraw for a long time, he is a


           23              graduate of West Scranton High School and


           24              I'm sure would never be disrespectful to the


           25              school or to the students that attend West






            1              Scranton.


            2                      MS. EVANS: And he did mention there


            3              were two great city high schools.


            4                      MR. MCGOFF: Yes, he did.  To


            5              Mr. Quinn, we received a letter from


            6              Representative Kanjorski dealing with that


            7              property tax.  I would like to -- I don't


            8              know that if he received a copy of that or


            9              Mr. Quinn is not here, I don't have a copy


           10              of it with me, but I will try to pass that


           11              onto him so may see what Representative


           12              Kanjorski's response was to the elimination


           13              of the property tax.


           14                      One thing when Mr. Porter was


           15              speaking, that as we get into this primary


           16              which is probably going to be contested, I


           17              thought Mr. Porter was on the verge what I


           18              don't want to call improper, but at least


           19              somewhat inappropriate statements.  We would


           20              hope that we can keep political speeches in


           21              favor of a candidate, of any particular


           22              candidate out of council meetings.  This


           23              isn't the venue for it.  I don't know that


           24              he was trying to do that.  But, as I said,


           25              was tentative at times as to where he was






            1              going.  In the future I would hope that we


            2              do get out and support the candidates of our


            3              choice, I just hope that it's not from this


            4              podium.


            5                      And the last thing I believe, I


            6              remember only because it was someone, a


            7              friend of mine, had asked from the school


            8              district, I'm not sure exactly when it was,


            9              but I know that the Scranton School District


           10              has requested that some schools where there


           11              are traffic problems that we look into


           12              designating those streets as one way, so I


           13              know that the school district has looked


           14              into this and hopefully we can do something


           15              to alleviate the congestion around.  It is


           16              dangerous around some of the schools


           17              particularly as people double park I know I


           18              travel by Whittier School and also Marian


           19              Catholic Elementary School and two blocks of


           20              Orchard Street for probably a good half hour


           21              there are people double parked, buses


           22              loading children and people driving around


           23              buses and trying to get through the traffic.


           24              It can be a dangerous situation and


           25              hopefully we can arrive at some resolution.






            1              I know it's been going on for many years,


            2              but I think as more children are being


            3              driven to school, be it on buses or private


            4              cars, that it's becoming more of a problem


            5              especially in some of the schools where the


            6              streets are narrower so I guess we should


            7              look into that and see what can be done.


            8              And that is all that I have for now.


            9                      MS. GARVEY: Mr. McGoff, if I could


           10              say something on behalf of, Mr. Courtright


           11              had mentioned before about me taking the


           12              minutes of a meeting that was held between


           13              some firefighters and yourselves, I just


           14              wanted to clear for the record because some


           15              people may know that I am married to a


           16              firefighter and I try to keep my


           17              professional life and my personal life


           18              totally separate, I have nothing to do with


           19              anything like that, I was asked by council


           20              members to come in and here and take those


           21              minutes.  When there was such a volume of


           22              information being given it almost became


           23              impossible for me to right down everything


           24              so I did tape only on their agreement for me


           25              to do that tape and then I was to type up






            1              those or write down everything for council.


            2              That tape will go no where.  It was only


            3              meant for me to take the minutes and for


            4              council to listen to the tape if they so


            5              choose to do, so those minutes were typed


            6              up, I have them ready for you in my office


            7              we just didn't get a chance to go over them


            8              tonight and the tape is also there, so


            9              whatever Mr. McGoff says that's fine with


           10              me.


           11                      MS. GATELLI: We can get them


           12              tonight?


           13                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Yeah.  Yes, she has


           14              them.  Can I ask one thing of council?  I


           15              have not disclosed to anyone the answers


           16              that Mr. Davis gave me and I believe you all


           17              have a copy of that, maybe you weren't here


           18              when she passed them out.


           19                      MS. GARVEY:  Yeah, it was in your


           20              box from last, Judy, you probably have yours


           21              in there.


           22                      MR. COURTRIGHT: And now there is the


           23              copy of the tape, which I asked Kay get


           24              involved actually, and I can't believe you


           25              typed that whole thing, but you did, you are






            1              nuts.


            2                      MS. GARVEY: It was impossible to


            3              write down everything that were taken by --


            4              I did it word for word so I didn't take


            5              anything out of context.


            6                      MS. EVANS: We needed her.


            7                      MR. COURTRIGHT: But, anyway, I would


            8              ask that we don't disclose these to anybody


            9              because this is so sensitive, it really is.


           10              I mean this has consumed my entire last two


           11              weeks, it really has and it's confidential


           12              and there is -- people's livelihood is at


           13              stake and I just hope they can keep it to


           14              ourselves and make whatever decision we make


           15              if everybody in is in agreement with that.


           16                      MS. GATELLI:  Absolutely.


           17                      MS. GARVEY: FIFTH ORDER.  5-B. AN


           18              ORDINANCE - CREATING AND ESTABLISHING


           19              SPECIAL CITY ACCOUNT NO. 02.229588 ENTITLED


           20              "CITY OF SCRANTON ARSON TASK FORCE ACCOUNT"






           23              ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT (DCED) FOR THE CITY OF


           24              SCRANTON ARSON TASK FORCE.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF: At this time I'll






            1              entertain a motion that Item 5-B be


            2              introduced into it's proper committee.


            3                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  So moved.


            4                      MS. GATELLI:  So moved.


            5                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.


            6                      MS. GATELLI:  I'm in the move seat


            7              now, Bill.


            8                      MS. EVANS: I told Mrs. Gatelli,


            9              welcome to the right side.


           10                      MR. COURTRIGHT: There you go.


           11                      MR. MCGOFF: Is that opposed to the


           12              wrong or the left?


           13                      MS. EVANS: Anyway you want to look


           14              at it.


           15                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Depending on the


           16              day, I guess.


           17                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?  All


           18              those in favor signify by saying aye.


           19                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           20                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           21                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           22                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           24              ayes have it and so moved.


           25                      MS. GARVEY: 5-C. FOR INTRODUCTION -






            1              AN ORDINANCE - AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND








            5              ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT (DCED) FOR THE CITY OF


            6              SCRANTON ARSON TASK FORCE.


            7                      MR. MCGOFF: At this time I'll


            8              entertain a motion that Item 5-C be


            9              introduced into it's proper committee.


           10                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.


           11                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.


           12                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


           13              those in favor signify by saying aye.


           14                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           15                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           16                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           17                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           18                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           19              ayes have it and so moved.


           20                      MS. GARVEY: 5-D. FOR INTRODUCTION -


           21              AN ORDINANCE - AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND






           24              FUNDS FROM U.S. DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND


           25              SECURITY FEMA GRANT.






            1                      MR. MCGOFF: At this time I'll


            2              entertain a motion that Item 5-D be


            3              introduced into it's proper committee.


            4                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  So moved.


            5                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.


            6                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  All


            7              those in favor signify by saying aye.


            8                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


            9                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           10                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           11                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           12                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


           13              ayes have it and so moved.


           14                      MS. GARVEY: 5-E. FOR INTRODUCTION -


           15              AN ORDINANCE - AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND








           19              LEAGUE, AND JUNIOR AND/OR MIDGET FOOTBALL


           20              LEAGUE ASSOCIATIONS FOR THE USE OF CITY




           22              LITTLE LEAGUE, TEENER LEAGUE, MISS-E LEAGUE,




           24              ACTIVITIES FOR A THREE-YEAR PERIOD


           25              COMMENCING APRIL 5, 2008 AND ENDING APRIL






            1              14, 2011.


            2                      MR. MCGOFF: At this time I'll


            3              entertain a motion that Item 5-E be


            4              introduced into it's proper committee.


            5                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  So moved.


            6                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.


            7                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?


            8                      MS. EVANS: Yes.  I have a few


            9              questions, is this a new lease that has been


           10              drafted, if you could find that out, Kay,


           11              please prior to next week.  Also, do all of


           12              the entities listed in the backup, it


           13              follows Exhibit A, have each of those


           14              entities received a copy of the new lease


           15              because I do, for example, have a question


           16              about Section 21, "Termination by lessor:


           17              City may terminate this lease at any time it


           18              should determine that public necessity and


           19              convenience require it to do so by serving


           20              upon tenant in the manner herein provided a


           21              written notice of it's election so to


           22              terminate which notice shall be served at


           23              least five days prior to the date in the


           24              notice named for such termination."


           25                      Well, that, in fact, is saying that






            1              at the discretion of the city any teener


            2              league, little league, etcetera, can be


            3              notified that they are no longer permitted


            4              to use that property and they have a matter


            5              of days to pull out and I don't think that's


            6              something that you even want to entertain


            7              when season schedules, etcetera, are setup


            8              well in advance and parents have planned for


            9              that and children as well, so, that is why,


           10              Kay, please I would like all of these before


           11              we are voting on this again or if we might


           12              table it until we get the answers I would


           13              really appreciate that.


           14                      MR. MCGOFF: Can we just move it to


           15              Sixth Order and if we can get the


           16              responses --


           17                      MS. EVANS: Okay.


           18                      MR. MCGOFF: I think we should have


           19              the answers by next week.


           20                      MS. EVANS: And then, as I said, too,


           21              though my concern is that each of those


           22              people -- or they are not people, the


           23              officers would receive, I'd like to know


           24              that each and every one received and read


           25              the lease before we pass it.






            1                      MR. MCGOFF: And just for


            2              clarification you asked if this was a new


            3              lease?


            4                      MS. EVANS: They had leases before --


            5                      MS. GATELLI: They have to redo


            6              these--


            7                      MR. MCGOFF: A new lease for --


            8                      MS. GATELLI:  A newly written lease


            9              because I know that when it passed there


           10              have been leases, but for the last perhaps


           11              two years there really hasn't been a lease


           12              passed, a lease agreement, it's been ongoing


           13              day-to-day, so that --


           14                      MR. MCGOFF:  So that particular item


           15              may be new.


           16                      MS. EVANS: Is this a newly written,


           17              newly drafted lease.


           18                      MR. MCGOFF: Okay.  I will try to


           19              find that out as expeditiously as possible


           20              for you -- or for us.  We an are on 5-D,


           21              excuse m, 5-E, excuse me.  Anyone else on


           22              the question?  All those in favor of


           23              introduction signify by saying aye.


           24                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


           25                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.






            1                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


            2                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


            3                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


            4              ayes have it and so moved.


            5                      MS. GARVEY: 5-F. FOR INTRODUCTION -


            6              AN ORDINANCE - AMENDING FILE OF COUNCIL NO.


            7              49, 2006 - ENTITLED. "AN ORDINANCE






           10              NECESSARY ACTIONS TO IMPLEMENT THE




           12              PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT PROGRAMS (AS


           13              AMENDED) TO BE FUNDED UNDER THE COMMUNITY






           16              EMERGENCY SHELTER GRANT (ESG) PROGRAM", BY


           17              TRANSFERRING $239,156.45 FROM PROJECT NO.


           18              95-003.2 AND $74,470.75 FROM PROJECT NO.


           19              01-026 AND $30,000.00 FROM PROJECT NO.


           20              01-96,1 and $85.82 FROM PROJECT NO. 05-215


           21              AND $56,286.98 FROM PROJECT NO. 05-15 TO


           22              PROJECT NO. 07-19 PURCHASE OF A FIRE TRUCK.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF: At this time I'll


           24              entertain a motion that Item 5-F be


           25              introduced into it's proper committee.






            1                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  So moved.


            2                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.


            3                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?


            4                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  On the question,


            5              Mr. McGoff, quickly.  The truck that was


            6              purchased wasn't really meant for this area,


            7              the hills take it's toll on these trucks


            8              here and I don't think that truck was meant


            9              to do what they had it doing and the Rescue


           10              1 is the one that's out there all of the


           11              time they are responding to every accident,


           12              so I'm very happy that we are going to do


           13              this and I hope I don't open up a can of


           14              worms here, I thought somebody would cover


           15              this question why we are taking the money


           16              from the flood project and I think we can


           17              answer that question at the time, the other


           18              thing I would say that's probably the first


           19              one that's going to respond there if there


           20              is a flood, so kind of surprised we didn't


           21              get questions about now we will because I


           22              opened my thought.


           23                      MS. EVANS: If they're allowed to.


           24                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I'm being told they


           25              are, so we'll see it.






            1                      MR. MCGOFF:  All those in favor


            2              signify by saying aye.


            3                      MS. EVANS:  Aye.


            4                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


            5                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


            6                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


            7                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


            8              ayes have it and so moved.


            9                      MS. GARVEY: SIXTH ORDER.  NO


           10              BUSINESS AT THIS TIME.  SEVENTH ORDER.  7-A.




           12              SAFETY - FOR ADOPTION - FILE OF COUNCIL NO.


           13              15, 2008 - AMENDING FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 16,


           14              1988 WHICH AMENDED FILE OF THE COUNCIL NO.


           15              298, 1986 ENTITLED "AN ORDINANCE, AS






           18              OF EXISTING PARKING METERS WITHIN THE








           22              ENFORCEMENT THEREOF; AND REPEALING












            1              AGENT FOR THE CITY OF SCRANTON," BY AMENDING


            2              SECTION 5.(B) SERVICE VEHICLE PARKING


            3              PERMITS BY INCREASING THE COST OF THIS


            4              PERMIT TO $150.00 PER VEHICLE.


            5                      MR. MCGOFF: What is the


            6              recommendation of the Chairperson for the


            7              Committee on Public Safety?


            8                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  As Chairperson for


            9              the Committee on Public Safety, I recommend


           10              final passage of Item 7-A.


           11                      MS. EVANS: Second.


           12                      MR. MCGOFF:  On the question?  Roll


           13              call, please.


           14                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.


           15                      MS. EVANS:  Yes.


           16                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Gatelli.


           17                      MS. GATELLI: Yes.


           18                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.


           19                      MS. FANUCCI:  Yes.


           20                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. Courtright.


           21                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Yes.


           22                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes.  I hereby declare


           24              Item 7-A legally and lawfully adopted.


           25                      MS. GATELLI: I make a motion to






            1              adjourn.


            2                      MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.


            3                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.




















































            2                      C E R T I F I C A T E




            4        I hereby certify that the proceedings and


            5   evidence are contained fully and accurately in the


            6   notes of testimony taken by me at the hearing of the


            7   above-captioned matter and that the foregoing is a true


            8   and correct transcript of the same to the best of my


            9   ability.







                                    CATHENE S. NARDOZZI

           13                       OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER