1               SCRANTON CITY COUNCIL MEETING








            5                          HELD:




            7                 Tuesday, February 5, 2008




            9                        LOCATION:


           10                    Council Chambers


           11                   Scranton City Hall


           12              340 North Washington Avenue


           13                Scranton, Pennsylvania





















                            CATHENE S. NARDOZZI- COURT REPORTER






















                MS. JANET E. EVANS (Not Present)



            9   MS. SHERRY FANUCCI



                MR. WILLIAM COURTRIGHT



           12   MS. KAY GARVEY, CITY CLERK






           15   MR. AMIL MINORA, SOLICITOR


























            1                      (Pledge of Allegiance and moment of


            2              reflection observed.)


            3                      MR. MCGOFF: Roll call, please.


            4                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.


            5                      (Mrs. Evans not present.)


            6                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. Courtright.


            7                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Here.


            8                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.


            9                      MS. FANUCCI:  Here.


           10                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Gatelli.


           11                      MS. GATELLI: Here.


           12                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF:  Here.  I would like the


           14              record to reflect that Mrs. Evans called and


           15              said that she would not be in attendance at


           16              this evening's meeting.  I'd like to


           17              dispense with the reading of the minutes.


           18                      MS. GARVEY: THIRD ORDER.  3-A.




           20              TO BE HELD ON FEBRUARY 13, 2008.


           21                      MR. MCGOFF:  Are there any comments?


           22              If not, received and filed.


           23                      MS. GARVEY: That's it for third


           24              order.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF: Prior to Fourth Order






            1              just a number of items from last week to


            2              make note of, we did receive a letter from


            3              the city solicitor regarding the Tripp Park


            4              development.  The letter does need some


            5              clarification and I will look into it and


            6              have a response to the letter and to the


            7              questions next week.


            8                      We also received a letter concerning


            9              the Scranton Rescue Mission.  Rather than


           10              reading the entire letter, the letter


           11              states, and this is from Mark Seitzinger,


           12              that the Scranton Rescue Mission was denied


           13              by the zoning board to run a place of -- a


           14              homeless shelter, that was appealed through


           15              a number of courts and finally returned


           16              through the Pennsylvania Supreme Court and


           17              those lower court orders were upheld and so


           18              it was denied a variance to be a homeless


           19              shelter, however, on January 10th of 2007,


           20              it was granted a certificate of use as a


           21              place of worship and Scranton Rescue Mission


           22              can use the subject property as a place of


           23              worship, but not as a homeless shelter.  If


           24              there have been any violations of that I'm


           25              sure Mr. Seitzinger will look into it, but






            1              that is the status of the Scranton Rescue


            2              Mission.  It can operate as a place of


            3              worship, but not as a shelter.


            4                      Also, on behalf of council a letter


            5              was sent to Congressman Kanjorski in support


            6              of House Resolution 418, we had done that


            7              before to another member of the state


            8              legislature and this was sent to Congressman


            9              Kanjorski.  It deals with home foreclosures


           10              in an attempt to protect homebuyers or


           11              homeowners.


           12                      Also, last week it was mentioned


           13              that wands in order to test wires were


           14              requested by the fire department and that


           15              they had been denied that request to


           16              purchase those.  In speaking with a member


           17              the fire department and also with a member


           18              of the city administration, in fact, three


           19              of those have been ordered and are being


           20              purchased or will be purchased by the city


           21              for the fire department.


           22                      Also, I was told that there was a


           23              more extensive type of detection service


           24              that they were looking into.  It's been used


           25              in some other areas, it's far more technical






            1              than that, but they are examining it as to


            2              whether or not that would be appropriate for


            3              use in Scranton, but the three of these


            4              detection wands are being purchased.


            5                      Also, we received a letter from the


            6              Girl Scout Troop 16.  It says, "I would


            7              appreciate if one of you would thank Judy


            8              Gatelli for attending Troop 16 meeting,


            9              Thursday, January 31.  Judy attended to help


           10              our Scouts work on their citizenship and


           11              community merit badge.  She was suffering


           12              from a cold and took the time to come and


           13              meet with our Scouts.  The Scouts were very


           14              receptive of her and we would like to thank


           15              her for her time and knowledge.  Please


           16              thank her and give her the recognition she


           17              deserves."


           18                      So, on behalf of Troop 16, thank


           19              you.


           20                      MS. GATELLI:  I had a good time.


           21                      MR. MCGOFF: Anyone else


           22              announcements?


           23                      MS. GATELLI: I just have a couple of


           24              things.  I'd like to announce that tomorrow


           25              morning at West Scranton High School one of






            1              our star football players, Mr. Hubie Graham,


            2              I'm sure most of you have read about him in


            3              the sports section, he is going to be


            4              signing his letter of intent for the


            5              University of Illinois.  He received a full


            6              athletic scholarship, so we are very proud


            7              of him and he will be signing that tomorrow


            8              at 9:00.


            9                      Also, I was asked to check out a


           10              bill this was paid by Mrs. Hubbard for


           11              skunks in a certain area of the city.  The


           12              city indeed paid for removing of skunks and


           13              possums.  And she had a skunk in her


           14              neighborhood and was told that she had to


           15              pay for it herself as are many other people,


           16              several in my particular neighborhood had to


           17              pay.  One called me last night she paid $600


           18              over the summer to get rid of some skunks in


           19              her yard.  When I asked the question about


           20              why they were paid for in that particular


           21              section, they had gone to the mayor I think


           22              at a neighborhood meeting, but I'm not


           23              positive because of the construction of the


           24              levies and the construction of the new DPW


           25              building, it disrupted the area and the






            1              skunks, you know, kind of took over and


            2              that's why they paid for it because it


            3              really was the whole entire neighborhood


            4              that suffered from it.  It is unfortunate


            5              that the animal control officer does not


            6              take care of skunks.  They used to, and I'm


            7              not sure of the reason why they won't do it


            8              anymore, but I would like to inquire of


            9              Mr. McGoff if you might as the president


           10              send a letter to the proper person why we


           11              don't have someone that does this.  I think


           12              it's really becoming a problem citywide and


           13              it's quite a lot of money for the residents


           14              to have to pay for it if they have a


           15              problem.


           16                      So, you know, if we can't maybe hire


           17              a part-time animal control officer just to


           18              do skunks.  Is sounds crazy, but if any of


           19              you out there know, you know that they are


           20              around.  My neighbor's dog got sprayed by


           21              one last week and I told you the other


           22              neighbor paid $600, so I'm sure you all have


           23              a story.  On Harrison Avenue Joni Rossi


           24              called me, there was a nest next door to her


           25              and she had to pay, they had to pay, too.  I






            1              think they paid about $800, so it's costing


            2              quite a bit of money and I think it's


            3              incumbent upon the city to get someone to


            4              help when the problem has become exacerbated


            5              to this degree.


            6                      Just two other things, I would like


            7              to send a letter to Mr. Seitzinger, there is


            8              a property on the 500 of North Everett that


            9              has been abandoned for four years.  See if


           10              we can board it up, there is people going in


           11              and out of there and also on the corner of


           12              Eighth and Fellows, it looks like a junk


           13              yard.  The neighbors complain about it, I


           14              went by it yesterday on the way to work and


           15              it really is bad, so if you would just send


           16              those two letters, and that's all I have,


           17              Mr. McGoff.


           18                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.  Citizens


           19              participation.  Douglas Miller.


           20                      MR. MILLER: Good evening, Council,


           21              Douglas Miller, president of the Scranton


           22              City Junior Council.  Tonight is a very


           23              special night for the junior council.


           24              Tonight marks the second anniversary of our


           25              council.  I would like to thank Scranton






            1              City Council for their support and


            2              assistance during this time.  On February 5,


            3              2006, I stood before council as the first


            4              member appointed to the Scranton Junior City


            5              Council.  Two years later we have seen


            6              nearly 20 high school students serve on our


            7              council.  This council has served as an


            8              educational tool for students all across our


            9              city.  All of the students that serve on


           10              this council have graduated with a better


           11              understanding of our city government and


           12              community service.  This council will


           13              certainly have an impact on our future.


           14                   Personally, I have had the opportunity


           15              to work closely with members of city council


           16              and learn a great deal about our city


           17              government.  I have also learned the


           18              importance of community service.  For two


           19              years I have lead junior council in many


           20              projects.  We have conducted numerous park


           21              cleanups, which include making repairs to


           22              playground equipment, landscaping, the


           23              installation of flag poles, park benches and


           24              picnic tables.


           25                      We have also conducted many






            1              fundraisers including a Christmas breakfast


            2              held December of 2006 to raise funds to


            3              support Channel 61.  Our Light Up the Town


            4              campaign raised funds to decorate the South


            5              Side Renaissance Center in December of 2007.


            6              Our most proud accomplishment was raising


            7              $4,000 to purchase a children's handicap


            8              accessible swingset for Nay Aug Park.  We


            9              greatly appreciate the support from all of


           10              those that made donations towards the


           11              successful project, including Dunbar


           12              Evergreen Landscaping, Incorporated.


           13                      Last week I announced that junior


           14              council is now raising funds to benefit a


           15              police and firefighters' memorial.  We are


           16              also working with city officials to have a


           17              skate park built in our city.  All of these


           18              projects will have a lasting impact on our


           19              city and those that serve or who have served


           20              on the Scranton Junior City Council.


           21              Because of Junior Council, students all


           22              across our city have become a more


           23              interested and involved in our government.


           24                   One year ago a group of high school


           25              students from West Scranton High School came






            1              before city council and proposed a citywide


            2              smoking ban.  These students showed the


            3              courage to stand up for what they believe


            4              it.


            5                      During the remaining six months that


            6              I will serve on this council, I will


            7              continue to work closely with my fellow


            8              classmates, city council members and the


            9              residents in this city so that together we


           10              can make our future brighter.  I have no


           11              doubt that Scranton Junior City Council will


           12              continue it's success for many years to


           13              come.  Thank you.


           14                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Douglas.  Fay


           15              Franus.


           16                      MS. FRANUS: Fay Franus, Scranton.


           17              Mrs. Gatelli, could you possibly add


           18              woodchucks to that list, and the reason I


           19              say that is -- woodchucks to that list with


           20              the skunks?


           21                      MS. GATELLI: Oh, sure.


           22                      MS. FRANUS: Because woodchucks they


           23              are sometimes worse because they dig a hole


           24              right near your house, one is living near


           25              mine.  What I want to mention now, I






            1              normally don't read things that I say, but


            2              there is many questions I want to ask and I


            3              want to make sure I don't leave anything


            4              out, and I will give you a list of questions


            5              when I'm ready to leave if that's okay with


            6              you?


            7                      This is in regard to the fire on


            8              Linden Street, January 25, on 317 Linden


            9              Street and the buildings that were next to


           10              it, this is in regards to that, I'm going to


           11              ask some questions.  Under what conditions


           12              does our DPW have to enter a private


           13              property to remove private belongings?  Do


           14              you know the answer to that?


           15                      MR. MCGOFF: Specifically, I don't


           16              know the answer.  I can tell you why they


           17              did it.


           18                      MS. FRANUS:  Why did they do it?


           19                      MR. MCGOFF: Because there was a need


           20              to remove those properties -- to remove


           21              property to protect them.


           22                      MS. FRANUS:  The Laura Craig


           23              Gallery, the paintings.


           24                      MR. MCGOFF: Yes, and they were doing


           25              a public service.






            1                      MS. FRANUS:  Could you show me


            2              something in writing that shows that a city


            3              department should move private property away


            4              from a building?  I mean, could you show me


            5              something in writing that says that there


            6              was a need?  If there is a need for DPW to


            7              remove private property.


            8                      MR. MCGOFF: I can't show you in


            9              writing, no, but --


           10                      MS. FRANUS:  Well, I would like


           11              something in writing because this is not


           12              right.  There was a need.  Many people have


           13              needs, but you don't see the DPW moving --


           14              were they at Acker Avenue for the fire and


           15              helping those people getting their stuff


           16              out?  Were they in lower Greenridge helping


           17              people get their furniture removed?  No,


           18              they were not.


           19                      Jeff Brazil was there, so was Donna


           20              Doherty, she was there supervising it looked


           21              like, it sort of looked like she was


           22              supervising all of the belongings being


           23              taken out.  That's fine if Laura Craig wants


           24              to take her stuff out, I understand the need


           25              and she has every right, but she does not






            1              have the right to have DPW workers doing


            2              that on our time.  We, the taxpayers are,


            3              paying for that service and if they don't do


            4              it for all they shouldn't do it for anybody.


            5              I mean, suppose I had a problem with my


            6              house and I wanted stuff moved could I have


            7              the DPW come and help me move with a pickup


            8              trucks?  I don't think so.


            9                      I want to also ask some other


           10              questions.  What if someone from the DPW was


           11              hurt that day who would pay for this, the


           12              taxpayers?  What if the property from the


           13              Laura Craig gallery was damaged, who would


           14              be responsible for replacing the property?


           15              Does anybody know the answer to that?


           16              Nobody knows.  May I ask who authorized the


           17              DPW to go there?  Who made the phone call


           18              for them to go there?  Does anybody know


           19              that?  How did they get involved, does


           20              anybody know?


           21                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  No.


           22                      MS. FRANUS:  Okay.  May I ask, can


           23              and will council ask the district attorney


           24              to investigate this matter?


           25                      MR. MCGOFF: I don't know that the






            1              district attorney needs to investigate it.


            2                      MS. FRANUS:  Could you ask him to?


            3                      MR. MCGOFF: I don't think that there


            4              is a need to do that.


            5                      MS. FRANUS:  But I do, and I think


            6              all of the people in the City of Scranton


            7              will feel the same way considering they are


            8              paying for this.  Jeff Brazil was supposed


            9              to be at work that day not helping a private


           10              person remove private property.  It was


           11              Friday, it was a workday.  Even if weren't a


           12              weekday he has no right to bring public


           13              vehicles to help a private citizen remove


           14              private property.  Could you tell me what


           15              the rule, regulation, policy, law or code


           16              that permits the taxpayer funded service to


           17              do private work?  But you said before you


           18              didn't think there was any.


           19                      MR. MCGOFF: I said I don't know of


           20              any.


           21                      MS. FRANUS: Okay.  Well, the Code of


           22              Ethics, let me read a paragraph from the


           23              Code of Ethics, Section 704, "Use of public


           24              property.  No officer, member or employee of


           25              the municipal government, municipal






            1              authority or agency to whom this Code of


            2              Ethics applies shall use of any public


            3              property for personal benefit or profit in


            4              accordance with policies promulgated by the


            5              mayor."


            6                      Now, I'd just like to give you --


            7              I'll give these to you when I'm done, if you


            8              don't mind.  So, since I really didn't get


            9              any responses that's why I have this letter


           10              to give to you all and, you know, you can


           11              read it at your leisure.


           12                      Billy, I'd like to ask you


           13              something, I notice that you are sitting


           14              there, you have been sitting in your other


           15              seat for five years, at least five years,


           16              how is that you got to sit there now?  Could


           17              you possibly explain it because I can't


           18              understand this?


           19                      MS. FRANUS:  That's not five


           20              minutes.  There is no way that's five


           21              minutes.


           22                      MR. MINORA: That's five minutes.


           23                      MR. MCGOFF: That's five minutes.


           24              Thank you.


           25                      MS. FRANUS: Billy, could you please






            1              answer that in motions?


            2                      MR. MCGOFF: Andy Sbaraglia.


            3                      MR. SBARAGLIA: Andy Sbaraglia,


            4              citizen of Scranton.  Fellow Scrantonians, I


            5              noticed in the legals that the city is


            6              currently seeking solicitations for a city


            7              engineer.  As of now, we have an acting city


            8              engineer I take it and not a qualified city


            9              engineer.  7-A, who signed off on this, a


           10              city engineer or an acting city engineer?


           11                      MR. MCGOFF: In the backup that we


           12              received it said that Mr. Parker had been on


           13              that project.


           14                      MR. SBARAGLIA:  Did you see a


           15              signature on the sign off?


           16                      MR. MCGOFF: I did not.


           17                      MR. SBARAGLIA: Did any of you see a


           18              signature on the sign off?  You cannot take


           19              the word of the administration.  By now you


           20              should have found that out.  You got to make


           21              sure if he signed off you could see a


           22              signature on there and make sure it was his


           23              signature and not an acting signature.


           24                   Well, let's get one better.  I seen a


           25              letter from the city planning commission






            1              okaying this project, okay, they send you a


            2              letter, but you have to look at Tripps Park.


            3              The planning commission okayed the first


            4              phase of that project.  There is no


            5              streetlights up there, none at all.  For


            6              some reason whether they didn't think they


            7              should put streets light in that.  They have


            8              retention ponds that are not fenced in where


            9              any child could drown.  These things were


           10              done by the city planning commission when


           11              they okayed plans.  It's obviously somewhere


           12              along the line the city planner goofed up on


           13              the first phase.  I know you said they


           14              corrected it in the second phase.  They are


           15              now getting street lights.  You have all of


           16              these things in there.


           17                      You are currently advertising for a


           18              new city engineer.  This project should be


           19              held in obeyance until we get the new


           20              engineer and he signs off on, not some guy


           21              that's off in the world some way.  We need a


           22              sign off on this or a man is there where a


           23              man is check, his qualifications, everything


           24              is okay to par and then that's it.  I mean,


           25              there is no reason to rush this project






            1              through.  I mean, let's wait until they


            2              elect -- that we get a new city engineer,


            3              let them go up there and check the project


            4              out, and if he finds everything up to par,


            5              fine, but I'm putting no faith in the city


            6              planner.  His letter don't mean nothing


            7              because of that debacle up there in Tripp's


            8              Park.  Even a child should have known that


            9              them people required street lights and for


           10              them to oversee it and the retention ponds


           11              without any kind of protection that shows


           12              you somewhere along the lines this man


           13              lacked the qualifications of actually


           14              okaying plans for a new subdivision within


           15              the city.


           16                      You need better, let's see how the


           17              word to put it, any qualified people in here


           18              that actually do a lot of these things.  I


           19              mean, you can't really build a complex


           20              without putting streetlights in other than a


           21              private developer, he can do it because he


           22              is not required, but when you ask us to take


           23              up the slack, I mean, I don't know if they


           24              have streetlights up there in that


           25              development, I doubt it.  I doubt anything






            1              because this man didn't have to do anything,


            2              he's a private developer, you own the land.


            3                   I don't know about the townhouse, the


            4              people own their house, I don't know if they


            5              own the surrounding, usually in a townhouse


            6              development the people that own the


            7              development take care of the lots, cut the


            8              grass, take care of the roads and so forth


            9              and so on, but you proposed the take over


           10              the roads.


           11                      Now, I see in the letter saying the


           12              sewer has been split, which is a good point.


           13              If it hasn't been split that's one of the


           14              things that should be.  I don't know how


           15              much of that varies with KOZ either.  I know


           16              the front part is a KOZ, I don't know if the


           17              back part is a KOZ, too, in which case we


           18              are not going to get too much money.  The


           19              question is how much money are we actually


           20              get on that development for us to take over


           21              the responsibility for it.  Did all of you


           22              be out there?  I ran into it to, but I


           23              didn't go down to the tax office to see how


           24              much revenue is being generated by this


           25              development and that's where you got to go.






            1              You got to say the development generates "X"


            2              amount of dollars, it's going to take us "X"


            3              amount of dollars to take care of that


            4              development and if they don't match then


            5              say, no.  What is the advantage of the city


            6              to take on the liability?  You don't want


            7              liability.  Okay.  Thank you.


            8                      MR. SANTOSE: Could I answer some of


            9              those questions?  I know I'm not signed in,


           10              but at the end --


           11                      MR. MCGOFF: No. Ozzie Quinn.


           12                      MR. QUINN:  Ozzie Quinn, president


           13              of the local Taxpayers' Association.


           14              Mr. McGoff, two weeks ago I asked


           15              Mrs. Gatelli for the CDBG and the surplus


           16              UDAG program funds that were back from way


           17              back that are still being held and projects


           18              weren't approved and never executed and


           19              after three months she said that you have


           20              them, you are the one now, I followed up


           21              with an e-mail, do have you that list?


           22                      MR. MCGOFF: I tried to respond to


           23              your e-mail, I couldn't respond, that


           24              information is available at OECD.


           25                      MR. QUINN:  It's available and you






            1              are the elected official.  I'm asking you, I


            2              want to be transparent about this.


            3                      MR. MCGOFF: I'm not being


            4              transparent, I'm telling you --


            5                      MR. QUINN: I asked OECD several


            6              times and they have said to me, no, go to


            7              Right to Know, and I don't have $110 to go


            8              to the Right to Know every time I want an


            9              answer.  Now, if she said that she was going


           10              to act in good faith and you aren't then


           11              this government is not very transparent.  As


           12              a matter of fact --


           13                      MR. MCGOFF: I'm answering your


           14              question.  In an act of good faith I went to


           15              OECD, they said that that information is


           16              available to you any time you want it.


           17                      MR. QUINN: You are the president of


           18              council, you are the one who was elected by


           19              our people.  Come on.  Who do you think you


           20              are trying to talk to, some Fourth grader


           21              some place.


           22                      MR. MCGOFF: No, Mr. Quinn, I'm


           23              talking to you.


           24                      MR. QUINN:  Well, give me a little


           25              bit of intelligence, will you?






            1                      MR. MCGOFF: And I am.  I'm giving


            2              you an answer to your question.


            3                      MR. QUINN:  Okay.  On January 16 you


            4              received a letter from the director of


            5              finance at OECD and he said OECD was


            6              informed by HUD that if they did not use the


            7              funds, some of which is over ten years old,


            8              they were going to lose them, they had the


            9              risk of losing them.


           10                      Now, here we are the taxpayers, we


           11              are seriously in debt and we have money over


           12              there in OECD that can be used to us to pay


           13              for capital improvements that we are going


           14              to have to pay, the taxpayers, that the


           15              mayor capital improvements for 2008.  Use a


           16              little innovations.  Will you talk to these


           17              people or have the mayor?  It's just


           18              unbelievable.  We can't afford these taxes.


           19              You know what, the school district and with


           20              the city and with the county pro rata we are


           21              over half a billion dollars in debt, the


           22              taxpayers of the City of Scranton and with


           23              the population we have, the $31,090 that is


           24              the median income we cannot afford it and


           25              so, please, start standing up for the






            1              people, will you?


            2                      I just want it speak something on


            3              7-B.  You are going to use 60,000 of that


            4              money that I'm asking you for, $60,700 for


            5              planting of 1,000 trees in South Side.  Judy


            6              Gatelli read a letter last week from Wayne


            7              Evans, it doesn't float with me because


            8              Wayne Evans is her buddy, you know what I


            9              mean, saying that those trees are needed in


           10              South Side.  What's needed?  People's


           11              infrastructure in the neighborhoods.


           12              People's some way to offset their taxes or


           13              1,000 trees?  I spoke with the Arbor


           14              Foundation and the price of trees goes from


           15              $3 to $20, so you could buy 1,000 trees if


           16              you use the $20, $20,000, so, come on, what


           17              are we going to 60,000, are we paying some


           18              contractor something?  We cannot afford it.


           19              The Taxpayers' Association knows we can't


           20              afford it.


           21                      And also, I want to also speak on a


           22              fact that we are using this money again and


           23              we should be looking at the small business


           24              owner and economic development.  I was in a


           25              business today where I purchased something






            1              and the small business owner was disgusted


            2              by the mercantile tax and the business


            3              privilege tax and he don't know how he is


            4              going to pay, and it's a shame, so I would


            5              ask you to try, at least I recommend to you,


            6              to do a business retention program


            7              throughout the city on small business, never


            8              mind corporations, small businesses and see,


            9              do a hand-on-hand interview with them, not


           10              sending interviews out -- or surveys out and


           11              find out the problems why.  Why the store


           12              fronts are being left vacant downtown and


           13              all through the city.  Our little economic


           14              development corners throughout the area of


           15              west side, Greenridge, Providence, they are


           16              shot, you know, and we have to pay over half


           17              a million dollars out of our same pockets.


           18                   So, please, listen, do something.


           19              Don't just go through what the mayor says,


           20              you won't give me anything that's


           21              transparent, it's a shame.  It's really a


           22              shame and you know I cannot or we cannot


           23              afford to go to Right no Know.  Who are you


           24              going to stand up for, the taxpayer or the


           25              mayor?  It's a shame what you are doing to






            1              the people of the City of Scranton and those


            2              people who are out there tonight or watching


            3              in their homes that are worried about their


            4              utilities and whatnot, shame on you.


            5                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr. Quinn.


            6              Candace McColligan.


            7                      MS. MCCOLLIGAN: Candace McColligan,


            8              Scranton resident.  It must be a great sense


            9              of relief for the mayor not to have to


           10              appear here because he knows that his


           11              interest, no matter how damaging, are being


           12              protected.  To use things like the Recovery


           13              Plan to defend himself against specific


           14              battles, but completly ignore it, modify it


           15              and sweep it under the rug when he has his


           16              own agenda.  Once the plan was violated even


           17              once for the benefit of the mayor and


           18              whatever project or idea he was pursuing it


           19              became null and void as far as I'm


           20              concerned.  It was no longer what the people


           21              had voted for.  You can't use the Recovery


           22              Plan as s defense only when it benefits you.


           23              You agree to follow it or you find a


           24              different solution.  It's time for a


           25              different solution.






            1                      I am here because I, unlike many, do


            2              not have the option of moving out of


            3              Scranton to a place where I feel those


            4              elected have the proper intentions from the


            5              start.  My husband is privileged enough to


            6              work for the fire department and that means


            7              that Scranton will be on our home for a long


            8              time.  Him working for the fire department


            9              has forced me to take a real look at the


           10              policies and actions of the city government


           11              both as they relate to the fire department


           12              and effect our family and how they relate to


           13              me as a citizen and a taxpayer regardless of


           14              the work that he does.


           15                      I have to ask myself how I am going


           16              to make a Scranton a place that I can


           17              happily call home because like it or not I


           18              am here for the long haul.  I'm sure that a


           19              difference can be some positive changes in


           20              this city.  I would hope that you would want


           21              to be part of them, too.


           22                      Last week I was bothered when Jim


           23              Stucker came to the podium to speak.  I have


           24              watched these meetings long enough to know


           25              that this has been going on for too long.






            1              It is reminiscent of a bully on a


            2              playground.  Jim is not a pawn in a


            3              political game and neither he nor these


            4              meetings are meant to be amusing.  The


            5              things we ask of this council we must also


            6              be willing to give back to them.  If are to


            7              be taken seriously then these meetings must


            8              also be treated that way.  If we ask for


            9              honesty and respect, we must lead by example


           10              and show that to one another.  That includes


           11              respect for Jim and truly an apology for


           12              having been dishonest and unkind to him.  If


           13              any one or all of the citizens is


           14              responsible for his confusion want to have


           15              an impact on council or this city.  I resume


           16              to come to these meetings and to make a way


           17              in a more meaningful way, to speak to their


           18              friends and neighbors about the changes they


           19              would like to see take place here and to go


           20              involved with your voting and communicating


           21              concerns and ideas.


           22                        I'm sure there are many things


           23              about politics that I have to learn, but


           24              what I see generally is that logic is lost


           25              here.  I assume each of you has a checkbook






            1              to balance and bills that need to be paid


            2              each month.  I also assume you each have


            3              hobbies that you enjoy and families that you


            4              love.  Logically the necessities each month


            5              are paid first.  The extras are enjoyed only


            6              when there is money left over and above all


            7              else family safety is the first priority.


            8              Why is it so difficult to see how that logic


            9              should be applied to this city?  Do three


           10              out of five of you really have the same


           11              mentality at home that you allow to be


           12              placed here?  I don't believe that you do.


           13                   This city should be treated like you


           14              would treat your home and your family.  We


           15              are all supposed to be in this together and


           16              if you were to treat the citizens of


           17              Scranton like the intelligence and creative


           18              people that they are and provide them with


           19              the true facts they could be a part of


           20              findings creative solutions to put this city


           21              back on it's feet.  You don't give us enough


           22              credit.  We are willing to do what is


           23              necessary to save the city in which we live,


           24              but we can't stand behind smoke and mirrors,


           25              lies and deception.  We are the ones paying






            1              for what happens in this city so harsh or


            2              not give it to us straight.  If most are


            3              like me, and I think that they are, they


            4              want to know the truth no matter how


            5              disconcerting that reality may be and no


            6              matter how mad the mayor might get if you


            7              tell it to us.


            8                      People are passionate when they


            9              speak here because they are desperate to


           10              stop watching a hole dug deeper and deeper


           11              while their pleas are ignored.  Mr. McGoff,


           12              would it be so difficult for you to admit


           13              that you may have cast some votes that


           14              allowed spending that wasn't in the best


           15              interest of the citizens who were you


           16              elected to represent?  Could you find the


           17              courage to simply say, I have made some bad


           18              choices, and I'm not perfect, but I'll do


           19              all of my power to make a change in this


           20              city and to truly show the citizens that do


           21              come first?


           22                      Miss Fanucci, would be it be


           23              impossible for you to respond to


           24              Mr. DeSarno, to say, I misspoke and had not


           25              done the proper research when I alleged that






            1              parks are the first things companies look at


            2              when they think to invest here.  To


            3              apologize for speaking without facts and vow


            4              to the citizens of Scranton that you will


            5              put more time and effort into your decisions


            6              and votes when it comes to spending the


            7              money that the taxpayers place in your


            8              hands.


            9                      We all make mistakes and that is


           10              forgivable, but those mistakes need to be


           11              admitted, a lesson needs to be learned and


           12              an effort must be made not to repeat the


           13              same error twice.  I am sure that each of


           14              you has a moral compass that guides you


           15              through your personal lives and that you


           16              could never let anyone tell you what to do


           17              or say when it came to the protection and


           18              support of your family and friends.  Perhaps


           19              you have forgotten to extend that same


           20              resolve to your position here.  Each week


           21              you have decisions to make, you and only


           22              you, and no one but the taxpayer and citizen


           23              within you should be able to tell you what


           24              is right.  A trust has certainly been broken


           25              between the people and those that were






            1              elected to represent them, but you have the


            2              power to rebuild that trust and I urge you


            3              to come up with the courage to use your


            4              votes and your voice to take the first step.


            5              Thank you.


            6                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mrs.


            7              McColligan.  Jean Suetta.


            8                      MS. SUETTA:  Jean Suetta, Scranton.


            9              That's a tough act to follow.  All right,


           10              Judy, you said -- I wasn't going to bring


           11              this up about Mrs. Hubbard's skunks, they


           12              got taken care of over at Cottage Avenue,


           13              blah, blah, blah, because of a flood control


           14              and DPW complex, she lives three blocks away


           15              from the DPW complex, that has nothing to do


           16              with it?.


           17                      MS. GATELLI: Apparently not.  I'm


           18              only telling you what I was told.


           19                      MS. SUETTA:  Yeah.


           20                      MS. GATELLI: I'm not condoning it.


           21              I think that everyone should be taken care


           22              of.


           23                      MS. SUETTA:  Bill, over at the Lace


           24              Works, they are worried about skunks, we are


           25              going to have lions and tigers and bears if






            1              they don't clean that up.  I mean, it is


            2              overrun.  My one dog got out, I am looking


            3              down at the Lace Works, seven skunks came to


            4              me.  I didn't --


            5                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I believe we sent


            6              someone down there though to that place


            7              before and then they thought it was done.


            8                      MS. SUETTA: They did the corner and


            9              stopped and stopped.  You can see around the


           10              corner, but there hasn't been another God


           11              Damn thing done.  Oops.  But, I got to look


           12              at everyday, you don't.


           13                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Maybe we can find


           14              out who the owner is and ask the owner to do


           15              it.  We'll try that.


           16                      MS. SUETTA: Yeah.  Mr. McGoff, cell


           17              phones, why are you letting Miss Fanucci get


           18              text messages during the meetings?  Hit the


           19              hammer, tell her she is out of order, leave


           20              the room.


           21                      MR. MCGOFF: I don't have -- I didn't


           22              ask anyone to not use them or I didn't think


           23              I have the right to tell someone to not to


           24              take a message --


           25                      MS. SUETTA: Well, do you think it's






            1              proper.


            2                      MR. MCGOFF: However, all I asked was


            3              that they be turned off during the meeting.


            4                      MS. SUETTA: Well, you think it's


            5              proper that she is up there getting text


            6              messages during the meeting.


            7                      MR. MCGOFF: I think that sometimes


            8              it may be, yes.


            9                      MS. SUETTA: It's proper to get text


           10              messages --


           11                      MR. MCGOFF: I would say --


           12                      MS. SUETTA: While she is up there


           13              working for us.


           14                      MR. MCGOFF: I'm answering, I'm


           15              saying, yes, I think there are times when


           16              all of us need to have messages relayed to


           17              us.


           18                      MS. SUETTA: But do you check them


           19              during the meeting?


           20                      MR. MCGOFF: Yes.


           21                      MS. GATELLI: I have mine right here.


           22                      MS. SUETTA:  I don't think it's


           23              right.


           24                      MR. MCGOFF: Well --


           25                      MS. SUETTA:  I mean, you are






            1              supposed to give your undivided attention to


            2              us not your phone.  And I think Miss Hubbard


            3              should be reimbursed because they are


            4              flooding down there and we are three blocks


            5              away from DPW.  So now what?  Will you move


            6              that forward?  She don't even know I'm


            7              thinking about this.


            8                      MS. GATELLI: I did check.


            9                      MS. SUETTA:  Are you checking my


           10              time?  Bill, get something done with the


           11              Lace Works.


           12                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I'll see as council


           13              if we can find out who owns it --


           14                      MS. SUETTA: Come spring it's going


           15              to be terrible.


           16                      MR. COURTRIGHT: -- and if we can't


           17              put some pressure on them to get it.  It is


           18              a mess, I don't deny that.  I've been there


           19              several times.


           20                      MS. SUETTA:  Now, if I let my yard


           21              go like that I would have all of these


           22              citations.


           23                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Yes, you'd have the


           24              zoning guy down there after you.


           25                      MS. SUETTA:  Yeah, well, let's get






            1              the zoning guy down after them.


            2                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I know, and I'm not


            3              making light of it, I have gone down there,


            4              Jean, many times, I agree 100 percent with


            5              you.


            6                      MS. SUETTA:  It is --


            7                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I'll see what I can


            8              do.


            9                      MS. SUETTA: When the lions and


           10              tigers and bears come I'm coming down to


           11              you.


           12                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I'm right behind


           13              you.  They wouldn't want you.


           14                      MS. SUETTA: All right.  Have a good


           15              one.


           16                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Ms. Suetta.


           17              Les Spindler.


           18                      MR. SPINDLER: Good evening, Council,


           19              Les Spindler.  Two weeks in a row I missed


           20              Mrs. Evans, I don't know what's going on.


           21              Anyway, I had to ask her something.  Two


           22              weeks ago she asked about lines being


           23              painted in certain areas and one was at the


           24              entrance to the Steamtown Mall and


           25              Lackawanna Avenue which I have been asking






            1              about for about two years now.  Mr. McGoff,


            2              could you add something to that list, if you


            3              can?  The corner of Spruce Street and


            4              Franklin Avenue that's another corner I have


            5              been asking about for about two years now.


            6              And Spruce Street shouldn't be three lanes


            7              there and people just go wherever they want


            8              and it's a dangerous situation.


            9                      Next thing, I'm glad to hear that


           10              the city is buying that equipment for the


           11              firefighters, but it's too bad it took the


           12              city being embarrassed by Mrs. Evans saying


           13              last week that they wouldn't spend $300 on


           14              the equipment and I heard it from a good


           15              source that that's what happened, the city


           16              was embarrassed about it.  It's a shame


           17              that's what it took to have them buy that


           18              equipment.


           19                      Next thing, to continue with what


           20              Mrs. Franus was saying about the fire on


           21              Linden Street and the pictures.  As you


           22              know, Mr. McGoff, I was there standing right


           23              by you and Mr. Courtright and there was no


           24              reason for those pictures to be taken out.


           25              Assistant Terry Osborne came over to you,






            1              Mr. Courtright, and said they are moving


            2              pictures, but he said he doesn't know why,


            3              there is no way the fire is going to spread


            4              to that building and this comes from the


            5              assistant chief who I think knows more than


            6              Donna Doherty or the owner of the pictures


            7              so, take it for what it's worth.


            8                      Next thing, also what Ozzie Quinn


            9              spoke about, $60,000 for trees.  Isn't there


           10              more important stuff that we can spend


           11              $60,000 on than trees.  I mean, give me a


           12              break.  Where are the priorities in this


           13              administration?  This is just ridiculous.


           14                   And, lastly, it was mentioned last week


           15              about a firefighters' memorial.  That would


           16              be a good idea, but I think the firefighters


           17              would much rather have a contract than a


           18              memorial.  A memorial isn't going to put


           19              food on their table, not going to pay their


           20              heating bills, not going to pay any other


           21              bills they have, so I think rather than put


           22              up a memorial let's get these firemen a


           23              contract.  Thank you.


           24                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr. Spindler.


           25              Bill Jackowitz.






            1                      MR. JACKOWITZ: Good evening,


            2              Mr. President, city council members.


            3              Yesterday at 9:30 a.m. yesterday morning I


            4              was at the Lackawanna County Courthouse,


            5              courthouse number five, for Sam Patilla's


            6              preliminary hearing and I must say that


            7              justice was served yesterday.  Judge Geroulo


            8              stated very clearly there in his -- when


            9              he giving his sentencing at the end that he


           10              watched that tape over 30 times and that he


           11              listened to that tape and did not hear


           12              anything that should have been held against


           13              Mr. Patilla saying.  Now, Mr. Patilla he


           14              actually stated to the judge that he agreed


           15              with everything that Sam Patilla said that


           16              night from the podium and he said he watched


           17              that tape over 30 times and he made the


           18              right ruling.  The right ruling was made


           19              because there was no crime committed around


           20              31 May 2007, what there was politics being


           21              played and the judge was smart enough to


           22              read between the lines.  Sam Patilla did not


           23              ask for this to be plea bargained, the judge


           24              and the D.A. wanted it plea bargained


           25              because they knew they didn't have a case.






            1              I was there.  I witnessed it.  So, anything


            2              else you hear is hearsay.  Justice was


            3              served yesterday because no crime was


            4              committed on 31 May '07 in this city council


            5              chambers.  The only crime that was committed


            6              that night was political cronyism and bad


            7              judgment by a lot of people and Judge


            8              Geroulo made that perfectly clear yesterday.


            9              He said that everything that Sam said from


           10              the podium that night was truthful and


           11              accurate because it was.


           12                      So, like I said, justice was served


           13              yesterday, no doubt about it.  Hopefully we


           14              will learn from this and we will not have


           15              people arrested for speeding and making


           16              First Amendment comments because they are


           17              entitled to it.  Sam Patilla stood up there,


           18              defended himself without having an attorney


           19              and he told the judge he was going to defend


           20              himself and he did.  He stood up there like


           21              a proud marine because that's what he is a


           22              proud marine.  He didn't back down, he


           23              didn't whimper, he didn't cry.  He stood up


           24              there and he did a service for the citizens


           25              of this city.  A service, and he got three






            1              months unsupervised probation and go ARD, so


            2              if a crime was committed the punishment sure


            3              fit the crime because there was no crime


            4              committed and I hope city council learned a


            5              good lesson from this.


            6                      Okay, I'm going to read the


            7              statement again and I'm going to read it


            8              every week.  "Pennsylvania Taxpayers have a


            9              right to know how the Commonwealth spends


           10              their hard-earned tax dollars," Governor


           11              Rendell said in his statement.  Again, do


           12              Scranton taxpayers have the right to know


           13              how their taxpayer dollars are spent,


           14              Mr. President?


           15                      MR. MCGOFF: Absolutely.


           16                      MR. JACKOWITZ: Then why are we not


           17              being granted that?  Ozzie Quinn just asked


           18              for a simple solution for three months, no


           19              answer.  Now you can answer, Mr. President.


           20                      MR. MCGOFF: The answers are


           21              available at any time.  All you have to do


           22              is go to the appropriate agency and ask for


           23              them.


           24                      MR. JACKOWITZ: What happens when you


           25              go to the appropriate agency, Mr. President,






            1              and you do not get the answer and you are


            2              turned away over and over and over again,


            3              Mr. President?  What's the answer to that?


            4                      MR. MCGOFF: All you have to do is


            5              fill out the paperwork, Right to Know, and


            6              that information should be given to you.


            7                      MR. JACKOWITZ: A key phrase should


            8              be.  My question is what if it is not given


            9              to you, Mr. President?


           10                      MR. MCGOFF: Then I assume that you


           11              have a right to go to Court because someone


           12              is in violation of the law.


           13                      MR. JACKOWITZ: Why should I have to


           14              do that when I have five elected officials


           15              sitting in front of me who are being paid by


           16              me from my taxpayers' dollars.  What is your


           17              responsibility in this or do you claim to


           18              have no responsibility, Mr. President?


           19                      MR. MCGOFF: I do not believe that I


           20              have a responsibility to fetch information


           21              for you.


           22                      MR. JACKOWITZ: What is


           23              responsibility as president of the city


           24              council then?


           25                      MR. MCGOFF: There are numerous






            1              things that are involved, but one of them is


            2              not --


            3                      MR. JACKOWITZ: Give me five.


            4                      MR. MCGOFF: One of them is not to


            5              find information for you.


            6                      MR. JACKOWITZ:  Give me five.


            7                      MR. MCGOFF: I'm not going to go


            8              through a laundry list for you.


            9                      MR. JACKOWITZ: That's because you


           10              have none because as far as you are


           11              concerned you have no responsibilities


           12              except to get your paycheck.


           13                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you for your kind


           14              words, Mr. Jackowitz.  Pat DeSarno.


           15                      MR. DESARNO: Good evening.


           16              Mrs. Fanucci, real quick, we are not going


           17              to dance too long tonight, I wish you'd heed


           18              Mrs. McColligan and just answer my question,


           19              I'll ask it one more time for the record for


           20              the third time, please cite the source of


           21              your statement about parks being the number


           22              one thing businesses look for when locating.


           23                   Actually, Mr. McGoff, it's our turn.


           24              At first blush last week, Mr. McGoff, it


           25              seemed as though you were making attempts to






            1              answer questions and reply to concerns.


            2              Some of those attempts appear to be copouts.


            3              You told me he couldn't compel your


            4              colleagues to answer or offer opinions.


            5              Maybe compel was too strong a word, urge.


            6              As president of this body could you urge


            7              them not to be so ignorant to the speakers.


            8              Could you urge them to make notes maybe


            9              about questions on issues brought up at this


           10              podium.  Could you then urge them to


           11              humorous a little bit with the sum of a


           12              small acknowledgment that they were at least


           13              listening to us.  It would be an improvement


           14              over being totally ignored or being


           15              McTiernanized as Mrs. Gatelli has become so


           16              fond of doing.


           17                      Like it or not, Mr. McGoff, the


           18              decorum of the meetings and the comportment


           19              of your colleagues is a direct reflection


           20              upon you.  Mr. Bolus last week suggested


           21              that council get more involved in settling


           22              labor contracts.  You responded with this,


           23              "I don't see what influence I could have in


           24              this those negotiations.  I will certain


           25              continue to encourage the mayor and the






            1              administration to engage in meaningful


            2              negotiations.  If, in fact, there is a place


            3              for one of us to be involved I would


            4              certainly take the opportunity."


            5                      Now, I know that the Home Rule


            6              Charter basically forbids council's direct


            7              involvement in contracts, but here's how you


            8              can take the opportunity to involve,


            9              encourage and influence.  Stop saying, yes


           10              to Chris Doherty.  You have already blown


           11              the opportunity of the budget, must move


           12              forward to all band together and tell the


           13              mayor that no further pet legislation or pet


           14              projects will be rubber stamped until the


           15              contracts are wrapped up.  But, I guess


           16              that's not what yes men do, is it?


           17                      I'll give a little is synopsis of --


           18              I'm sorry, I lost my train of thought here.


           19              Last week I related a case of a wasteless


           20              spending by means of frivolous and fruitless


           21              litigation.  I asked all of you as public


           22              official and guardians of the taxpayers to


           23              opine of what I presented to you.  And I


           24              assume as humans there surely has to be a


           25              thought process that goes on up there in






            1              your minds while I'm speaking and because of


            2              your public role I think you should be


            3              compelled to comment.


            4                      Last week I was forgotten and


            5              forgotten, ignored, McTiernaned and,


            6              Mr. McGoff, you offered this to me,


            7              "Mr. DeSarno, I believe your question had to


            8              with frivolous spending.  I don't think


            9              there is anyone up here that would say, yes,


           10              I approve of frivolous spending.  Certainly


           11              the spending of money or the way in which


           12              it's spent is a matter of perception as to


           13              whether it's frivolous or not."


           14                      Here I'll give a synopsis to kind of


           15              prove what I sai d last week.  Again, I ask


           16              you all reply, and this really is all about


           17              frivolous spending, it's about your having


           18              to tell the public what you think about


           19              issues.  Number one, starting like this,


           20              under the direction and advice of Lisa Moran


           21              and on the approval of Chris Doherty the


           22              Scranton Fire Department and Scranton Police


           23              Department had a paycheck stolen from them,


           24              that's my perception.


           25                      The Scranton Fire Department agrees






            1              with Mrs. Moran's asinine unqualified


            2              interpretation of the 27 pay period issue.


            3                      Number three, Scranton Fire


            4              Department wins overwhelmingly with interest


            5              after two unsuccessful appeals by the city


            6              and the Pennsylvania Labor Relation's Board


            7              ruling.


            8                      Number four, during that process a


            9              gentleman's agreement is struck along with


           10              the Fraternal Order of Police to enjoin the


           11              Scranton Fire Department's grievance.


           12                      Number five, Chris Doherty has a


           13              hissy fit over the Scranton Fire


           14              Department's final outcome, FOP has his


           15              fingers crossed behind his back and forces


           16              them to start the process, the exact same


           17              process all over again.


           18                      Number six, lawyers make a ton of


           19              taxpayer money all over again for fighting a


           20              losing battle.


           21                      Number seven, this strong ruling


           22              comes down.  The arbitrator found that the


           23              city acted in bad faith by persisting in the


           24              litigation of this matter after the June 4,


           25              2007, a date one month after the date of the






            1              PLRB order in the firefighters' case.  By


            2              that date the city should have reasonably


            3              been able to digest the sum of the decisions


            4              of the PRLB and the Courts and should have


            5              known that it had no likelihood of


            6              prevailing in the instant case.


            7                      He further went onto say, in


            8              accordance with the contact I'm directing


            9              the city to pay all fees and expenses


           10              incurred by the union in the preparation and


           11              presentation of it's case including


           12              reasonable attorney's fees as provided by


           13              Article 20, Section 9 of the agreement,


           14              until such time as actually compliance with


           15              this board has been achieved.


           16                      Well, you know what I'm getting at.


           17              Mr. McGoff, I'd like to know what your


           18              perception is of all of this.  I can't stick


           19              around, I gotta go home, my new grandson


           20              just dropped into this world.


           21                      MR. MCGOFF: Congratulations.


           22                      MR. DESARNO: Miss Fanucci, see you


           23              next Tuesday.


           24                      MS. FANUCCI: We'll see you next


           25              Tuesday, also.






            1                      MR. DESARNO: I'll see you next


            2              Tuesday.


            3                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr. DeSarno.


            4              Tom Ungvarsky.


            5                      MR. UNGVARSKY: Good evening, city


            6              council, I'm Tom Ungvarsky and I'm a member


            7              of the Scranton/Lackawanna County Taxpayers.


            8              Last Saturday -- strike that, please.  A


            9              week ago last Saturday a gentleman


           10              approached me and told me that his


           11              85-year-old, middle 80's mother who is ill


           12              had her house sold for back taxes.  She did


           13              not recollect receiving any letters or


           14              registered letters stating that the house


           15              would be sold.  I told him at that time that


           16              I would look in it.  He told me that some


           17              man from Jim Thorpe bought the house, paid


           18              $3,000 for it and wanted to sell it back for


           19              $15,000.  While they were talking the


           20              gentleman, excuse the expression, the man


           21              offered to sell it back for 11,000.  I told


           22              him I would look in it and talk to some


           23              people and try to find something out about


           24              it.  I got back to him last Wednesday and he


           25              told me it's moot that he had bought the






            1              house back for $6,000 for his mother.


            2                      This is what's happening here in


            3              this city.  This may be part of the law that


            4              you passed.  It is a shame an 85-year-old


            5              woman has to lose her house.  I don't know


            6              what your intentions are about repeal that,


            7              but I think you better look in it.


            8                      MR. MCGOFF: May I clarify something,


            9              Mr. Ungvarsky?


           10                      MR. UNGVARSKY: Sure.


           11                      MR. MCGOFF: I don't want to take


           12              your time.  At this point in time no houses


           13              have been sold by the city.


           14                      MR. UNGVARSKY: I have the name and


           15              address of the person if you would like to


           16              talk to him.


           17                      MR. MCGOFF: It may have been through


           18              the county, but nothing has been done


           19              through the city.


           20                      MR. UNGVARSKY: Well, it is a house


           21              here in the city.


           22                      MR. MCGOFF: Well, I'm just saying


           23              that as far as the city is concerned no


           24              houses have been sold for delinquent taxes


           25              by the City of Scranton.






            1                      MR. UNGVARSKY: I do understand that


            2              it was through the county, however, this is


            3              what's happening here and there is no reason


            4              for a woman in her 80's who has lived in the


            5              house the way I understand it for upwards of


            6              30 years to lose the house and I wouldn't


            7              doubt that will probably be happening more


            8              and more.


            9                      On another subject, Mrs. Gatelli,


           10              last year when you were president you said


           11              that, this is concerning Attorney Grecco who


           12              I understand has been retained for another


           13              year, last year I believe you stated that he


           14              would not get over $100,000 no matter what


           15              his bill was.  Do you know how much his bill


           16              was for last year?


           17                      MS. GATELLI: Yeah, we get a thing


           18              from Roseann Novembrino and from what I got


           19              he didn't get over $100,000.


           20                      MR. UNGVARSKY: That's fine, that's


           21              great, because the year before he got


           22              $130,000.  Do you know what his fee will be


           23              for this year?


           24                      MS. GATELLI: The same as last year.


           25                      MR. UNGVARSKY: A $100,000?






            1                      MS. GATELLI: I think it's $100 an


            2              hour.


            3                      MR. UNGVARSKY: Would you look into


            4              it and make sure he doesn't get more than


            5              that?


            6                      MS. GATELLI: Absolutely.  She sends


            7              me a report once a month.  She still


            8              continues to send me that.


            9                      MR. UNGVARSKY: I thank you.


           10                      MS. GATELLI:  I will share it with


           11              you if you would like.


           12                      MR. UNGVARSKY:  Yes, would you,


           13              please?


           14                      MS. GATELLI: Sure.


           15                      MS. BUNGARUS: Mrs. Fanucci, did you


           16              check into SECCA?


           17                      MS. FANUCCI: I did check into SECCA,


           18              I did not get a report, they were sending me


           19              supposedly a report on whether or not they


           20              are coming or not.  It's supposed to be


           21              official and in writing and I should be


           22              getting that next week because was it last


           23              week that they put the official word in or


           24              maybe two weeks so I'm sure it will come


           25              shortly.  As soon as I do I certain will






            1              tell you.


            2                      MR. UNGVARSKY: All right.  Thank you


            3              for looking into it, I hope we do get an


            4              answer for that.


            5                      MS. FANUCCI: I would like to see


            6              them here, too.


            7                      MR. UNGVARSKY: Thank you.


            8                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you,


            9              Mr. Ungvarsky.  Charlie Newcomb.


           10                      MR. NEWCOMB: Good evening, Council.


           11              Just a little bit on what Mr. Jackowitz hs


           12              said, I just hope we all definitely can move


           13              on here and move forward and all I could say


           14              is we just -- everybody has their own


           15              opinion, we could read this morning's paper


           16              and take our opinion on what we believe


           17              happened yesterday.


           18                      Mr. Courtright, I am just going to


           19              I'm going to touch on something here, I've


           20              only got five minutes, so you know in the


           21              city how we have pensions, I just want to


           22              clear up something on what happens here.  In


           23              the city we have pensions, like, let's say


           24              our clerical workers they get a pension of


           25              $700, I'm just using that for a figure, they






            1              get $700 for their pension.  I call them ROR


            2              pensions.  What that means is rate of return


            3              which means you have so much money invested,


            4              whether it goes into a stock market or


            5              whatever and then when it's time to retire


            6              you sell it back basically like an annuity


            7              and you get a certain amount for the rest of


            8              your life, that's what I call an ROR


            9              pension.  I just want to touch on it a


           10              little bit here.  In the mayor's budget, and


           11              believe me you know as well as I do I'm


           12              pro-union as I could get, but what I'm


           13              trying to get the point is you have to look


           14              at how it's fair on both sides.  In the


           15              mayor's budget the police chief and the fire


           16              chief were given an extra -- or, I'm sorry,


           17              were given a $13,000 raise.


           18                      Well, I don't know if you knew or


           19              you didn't know or people out there don't


           20              know, but I just want to make something very


           21              clear.  The way that that states every


           22              police chief that's alive in the City of


           23              Scranton today is going to get half of that


           24              $13,000 which means I believe we have five


           25              chiefs left, they are entitled to $6,500 a






            1              piece.  That $13,000 raise for the police


            2              cost $45,500.  I know a lot of this money is


            3              he paid out of the pension fund, but the


            4              pension fund obviously is paid by taxpayers'


            5              money.  That comes out to $541 per month


            6              extra in their pensions which, that's fine,


            7              but fire chiefs.  I believe there is three


            8              of them, when I'm saying three I mean three


            9              that are retired and including Mr. Davis and


           10              then the five that I said, also


           11              Mr. Elliott's was $13,000, the three chiefs


           12              that would be alive entitled to this, their


           13              raise, half of it, it comes out to $19,500.


           14              Along with Chief Davis' $13,000 that's


           15              $32,500, those two quote/unquote raises,


           16              whatever you call them cost for $26,000 cost


           17              $78,000 for two $13,000 raises or $541 a


           18              month in somebody's pension.


           19                      Now, my point is, what that means is


           20              these people that are retired, which is


           21              fine, got half of this money, but didn't do


           22              anything for all of the people that are


           23              retired otherwise or the ones that are


           24              active right now.  So when it comes in front


           25              of you guys for a contract or something what






            1              you have to make clear is if there is


            2              bonuses in these contracts, I'll just make a


            3              figure, a $2,000 bonus, these retirees


            4              aren't allowed $1,000, they aren't offered


            5              it, the only time that retires that are out


            6              there will get it is when it's a


            7              quote/unquote a raise, so I just didn't know


            8              if you guys knew that when you voted.


            9                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I certainly knew it,


           10              I hope they knew it, they voted for it.


           11              When we had caucus here I brought it up, all


           12              three of these people right here were in


           13              favor of the raises, I don't know if they


           14              did their homework or didn't their homework.


           15              In addition to what you said, the widows get


           16              25 percent of past firefighters and police


           17              officers.  I have the exact figures for you,


           18              I don't have them with me, but if I would


           19              like I could give you the exact figures of


           20              what they are going to cost, so those


           21              $13,000 raises we'll be paying for a long,


           22              long time.


           23                      MR. NEWCOMB: A long time.  Like I


           24              said, just the one instance with the 213,


           25              with the one shot deal it's $78,000, you






            1              know, I mean, I understand why it was done,


            2              you know, the argument I see is why it


            3              happened, but I mean when you vote on these


            4              things you just have to look at it's not --


            5              it wasn't just $13,000 each one shot deal


            6              when you are done it was $13,000 and then


            7              have you to take half of that which is


            8              $6,500.  So, I mean, there is some people


            9              out there that haven't had a raise in


           10              six years which I believe is definitely a a


           11              shame, something should be done there, and


           12              you have some retired five chiefs of police


           13              and three firechiefs which just got an


           14              instant $541 more a month in their pension


           15              what it comes out to.


           16                      So, I just hope when these things do


           17              come in front of you, ladies and gentlemen


           18              of the jury, that you could look to make it


           19              fair for everyone when you go to vote


           20              because if it comes in front of you with


           21              bonuses, you are leaving the retirees right


           22              out because they are not entitled to the


           23              bonuses, but if the mayor said, and I'm just


           24              going to use a figures the raise let's say


           25              for two years is 8,000 or I'm sorry, 8






            1              percent, then that means every retiree,


            2              regardless of rank, just the retired ones


            3              out there they would be get 4 percent, but


            4              in this case he specified a rank which was


            5              chief.  Now, if he came out tomorrow and


            6              said I believe all the lieutenants I'm going


            7              to give them a $2,000 raise, well, then that


            8              means every lieutenant in the City of


            9              Scranton that was alive according to my


           10              union experience should be entitled to


           11              $1,000, so you just have to understand the


           12              way that that the ranking goes so that's how


           13              much it costs for those raises.  Thanks.


           14                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr. Newcomb.


           15              Dave Dobson.


           16                      MR. DOBSON: Good evening, Council,


           17              Dave Dobson, resident of Scranton,


           18              Taxpayers' Association associate.  On this


           19              skunk business once again I do a lot of


           20              walking for health reasons around town and


           21              what I see is the condition where, and it's


           22              contributing to litter, people do not invest


           23              in 32 gallon garbage cans and the trash gets


           24              drug around and that's what's attracting


           25              these animals, so we can hire some poor






            1              person for a smelly job forever chasing


            2              skunks around and it never solves the


            3              problem until people start putting their


            4              trash out properly instead of just tossing


            5              the bag out in the back of their house to be


            6              torn apart.


            7                      Also, on junk cars, they are at a


            8              premium right now.  The Chinese prefer our


            9              trash to our dollars so they are paying


           10              bonus prices for junk cars.  If you have a


           11              junk car in your yard and a title you can


           12              get about double or triple right now of what


           13              it used to worth a couple of months ago.


           14                      On this development on what is it,


           15              7-A, there is no reason to object to that


           16              other than is everything proper, are the


           17              sewer lines separated and so forth, but it's


           18              really important that it does get looked


           19              over properly.


           20                      And on the fire department, also,


           21              it's been mentioned in the past 38 people


           22              possibly their employment suspended, I have


           23              a question you probably can't answer it, but


           24              you could research it, how does that affect


           25              fire insurance, would the rates skyrocket






            1              after a couple of months or years if there


            2              is some kind of tragedy and problems with


            3              houses incurring heavy losses?


            4                      So, one other consideration I'd like


            5              to mention is when Mrs. Evans gets back, I


            6              hoped she would be here tonight, possibly


            7              reconsider some of her suggestions on that


            8              tax collections.  It's ungodly to pay 5 to


            9              $600 for an $80 tax bill, it's just ungodly.


           10              I don't know how you could solve the


           11              absentee landlord's scoffing at you, but


           12              citizens just get caught up in it and I go


           13              back over a bill that was mailed to the


           14              wrong address for two years, it was Mr.


           15              Cobly, to this day I have a bad credit


           16              rating or a diminished credit rating, not a


           17              bad one, but the agency that doesn't know


           18              about it rates me at upper 20 percent of


           19              creditworthiness and the agency that it was


           20              reported to by NCC after they mailed the


           21              bill to the wrong address for two years


           22              never once mailing it to the address that it


           23              involved, so even if I was a landlord maybe


           24              a tenant would have notified me or something


           25              which I lived there for the two years and






            1              I'm at 40 percent creditworthiness through


            2              those agencies, so we really need to


            3              consider who we are working with and I don't


            4              understand why this can't be done in-house.


            5              It would employ more people in our city


            6              government and they could be a little kinder


            7              and gentler instead of arrogant, that's all


            8              I got when I went down there.  I'm going to


            9              do down there again to try and get them to


           10              rescind that, but who knows whether I'll be


           11              successful.


           12                      And one last thing, last week I


           13              mentioned in Afghanistan a man was sentenced


           14              to be beheaded for teaching a college


           15              course.  I don't have his name with me


           16              tonight, I had it last week, but if anybody


           17              out there is concerned please contact your


           18              national representatives, Mr. Kanjorski and


           19              Mr. Casey, and try to get this person what


           20              do you call it, refugee status.  That's what


           21              I mentioned today, I called both


           22              Congressmen.  I'm very concerned about this


           23              because apparently the Afghan constitution


           24              is nothing about a theocratic statement


           25              except in Shareed is the law and it's really






            1              a shame because it's a shame and it's a


            2              black market this country's record to allow


            3              somebody to after what they did to us on


            4              9/11 to institute the same old, same old


            5              that brought this about.


            6                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr. Dobson.


            7                      MR. DOBSON: Thank you.


            8                      MR. MCGOFF: Marie Schumacher.


            9                      MS. SCHUMACHER: Marie Schumacher,


           10              resident and member of the Lackawanna County


           11              Taxpayers' Association.  First I'd like to


           12              state my opposition to the South Side tree


           13              planting because I love trees and I fear


           14              they will be planted and places that will


           15              ensure their death.  The root system of a


           16              tree needs the proper amount air and water


           17              to maintain satisfactory growth.  Trees


           18              growing near the streets, driveways and


           19              sidewalks or parking lots can be described


           20              as growing in an asphalt jungle.  Trees


           21              planted in such public areas almost


           22              guarantees the trees will not receive


           23              adequate amounts of air and water to the


           24              root system.  Trees with limited root space


           25              need to be watered during droughts, aerated






            1              or vertically mulched and fertilized.  Is


            2              the city prepared to provide these needs?  I


            3              think not.


            4                      Well, a sampling may look healthy


            5              for a short time, as soon as it matures to


            6              the point where the drip line is no longer


            7              oversoiled the tree will suffer.  Trees need


            8              to be fertilized and pruned.  Is the city


            9              prepared to provide these needs?  I think


           10              not.  Should a tree planted between curb and


           11              sidewalks survive, it's roots will


           12              eventually disturb the sidewalks and create


           13              unsafe walking conditions.  If you don't


           14              believe that you can go to the 800 block of


           15              Prospect Avenue and see what the tree roots


           16              have done to the sidewalks on the even side


           17              of the street.  As I said, I love trees.


           18              Please don't condemn 1,000 trees to death by


           19              passing this ordinance.


           20                      Now, I would like to comment on the


           21              Draconian penalties assessed on delinquent


           22              property taxes.  According to the


           23              unofficials minutes of last Tuesday's


           24              meetings posted on the Doherty Deceit


           25              website, Mrs. Gatelli is recorded as saying,






            1              "I don't want landlords to get away with not


            2              paying city tax when they are paying county


            3              and school district because they are going


            4              to go to sherif's sale and we are not.  I


            5              find that interesting as I made a trip to


            6              the single tax office and inquired about the


            7              procedure for paying the school tax prior to


            8              the city tax.  I was informed that that was


            9              impossible as state law prohibited splitting


           10              the city and school tax.  Any payment made


           11              less than a total will be prorated.


           12                      Back to OECD, are perforated


           13              projects intentionally not aged so as to


           14              provide a de facto slush fund for projects


           15              for which no formal request has been made?


           16              It certainly seems that way.  Each year


           17              there are requests for projects that fall


           18              below the funding threshold.  Would it not


           19              be fairer to prioritize these unfunded


           20              requests and fund them as funds become


           21              available instead of projects that appear


           22              out of the blue?


           23                      I would also like to comment that


           24              there is no street sign at the corner of


           25              Washburn and Main.  If it wasn't for that






            1              hideous-colored building I would probably


            2              pass by it all the time and there are


            3              businesses on Washburn that I'm sure would


            4              like to have people know where to turn.


            5                   Also, if there is an ordinance


            6              requiring numbers on homes I would like to


            7              know why it is not being enforced and if


            8              there is not an ordinance why there is not


            9              an ordinance.  I would certainly think


           10              people would want that displayed in case


           11              they need an emergency services at their


           12              home, but there is certainly a lot that


           13              don't meet the requirements.  If we have


           14              decent curbs in the city it could be put on


           15              the curbs as it is in many other


           16              jurisdictions, but certainly not in


           17              Scranton.


           18                      I would like to publically commend


           19              the dentist that sold his 201 Jefferson


           20              Avenue property to Boccardo jewelry and kept


           21              the property on the tax rolls and did not


           22              sell it to a nonprofit or government that


           23              would not be paying property taxes.  I think


           24              he is to be publically commended for that


           25              action.  That concludes my comments for






            1              tonight.  Thank you.


            2                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mrs.


            3              Schumacher.  That is the end of the sign-in


            4              list.  If there any other speakers.


            5                      MR. PATILLA:  Good evening, Mr.


            6              Courtright.  Sam Patilla, Scranton resident,


            7              Scranton taxpayer, homeowner, businessman,


            8              member of Scranton/Lackawanna County


            9              Taxpayers' Association.


           10                      I just want to thank Mr. Jackowitz


           11              for the kind words.  The citizens won


           12              yesterday, not me.  The honest taxpayers,


           13              the honest senior citizens, the honest


           14              residents, the honest children, they won


           15              yesterday.  And for everybody else it


           16              doesn't matter what they think and what they


           17              believe.  You know, I have a woman at home,


           18              she is probably watching this show right


           19              now, so as far I'm concerned they can get a


           20              life because they weren't in the judge, ADA


           21              or myself and it's just speculation and


           22              hearsay, we know what went down.


           23                      Last week I started to talk about


           24              blight and I want to continue that because


           25              as far as I'm concerned $250,000 given to a






            1              beauty parlor when we have had scores of


            2              small businesses close down and shutter


            3              their doors recently when that money could


            4              have been divvied up as I suggested and


            5              other suggested prior, the prior council


            6              meetings, could have possibly kept these


            7              buildings open for a little bit longer until


            8              they got back on their feet, but the


            9              one-sidedness that this administration is


           10              going down doesn't want to see a citizen


           11              succeed, doesn't want to see a business


           12              succeed, doesn't want an American to pursue


           13              their American dream, their happiness.


           14                      You know, it doesn't make any sense


           15              that, you know, people come to this podium


           16              seeking redress and they are told that, you


           17              know, it's not my job or I don't think I


           18              should do this or you can do this or you can


           19              could that.  You know, you are elected


           20              officials and as such you represent the


           21              people.


           22                      Now, like I said many times, you


           23              don't represent the mayor.  You don't


           24              represent city council.  You don't represent


           25              elected officials or appointed officials,






            1              you represent the people who reside in that


            2              municipality, who reside in that county, who


            3              reside in this country.


            4                      This is America, all right?  Our


            5              forefathers broke away from England because


            6              of the same garbage that's going on right


            7              now.  The over taxation.  It's time for this


            8              garbage to stop, all right?  I've lived in


            9              Scranton for 18 months, 18 months.


           10              Two blocks from my home there is a blighted


           11              lot that hasn't -- is city-owned and hasn't


           12              been taken care of in 18 months.  If you


           13              went to take $60,000 of taxpayers' money to


           14              plant trees that are going to be negligent,


           15              and it's going to turn into the other


           16              blighted lots like the one down the street


           17              from my home, like the ones line here.  Like


           18              the ones that line Pittston Avenue.  Like


           19              the ones in West Scranton and North Scranton


           20              and East Scranton, all right?  It's time for


           21              the nonsense to stop, you know.  There will


           22              come a time when you will have to answer for


           23              this.  You know, I had a kid ask me he said,


           24              "Why don't you celebrate Martin Luther King


           25              Day."






            1                      I said, "Because we are not finished


            2              yet."


            3                      You know, all of the positive steps


            4              we have taken into the 40's, the 50's, the


            5              60's and the 70's, we have taken 50 -- we


            6              have regressed 50 steps in the 80's and 90's


            7              and we have regressed 100 here in 2000.  If


            8              you look at Bush's administration it


            9              mirror's Fast Eddy's administration.  If you


           10              view Rendell's administration it mirrors


           11              Doherty's administration, all right?


           12                      Bush has sold us out to China,


           13              borrow their money, now we can't get out of


           14              the trade agreement with them for the bulk


           15              of the defective goods and services that we


           16              receive from them.  The same thing with


           17              Rendell's administration, all right?  He has


           18              catered to corporate America, we can't get


           19              out from under that.  You come done to the


           20              city level, Doherty has catered to the


           21              select elite few, something between select


           22              and elite few, and the citizens are


           23              suffering because of that.  You know, you


           24              people weren't put there to take care of a


           25              mayor and his wishes or a political






            1              appointee or this person or that person, you


            2              are there to represent a city as a whole not


            3              as an individual.  You are here to represent


            4              the people, all right?  And like I said,


            5              yesterday was one small pebble in that wall


            6              crumbling, and every pebble that we take


            7              from that wall will eventually lead to the


            8              total collapse of that wall because you have


            9              to go back to your roots.  Your roots.


           10              That's our problem, people forget where they


           11              came from.  They forget who they are.  They


           12              forget the suffering and the pain that their


           13              ancestors went through to get away from this


           14              vindictive and malicious degrading of


           15              individuals.  Maybe I should open up an


           16              NAACP in South Scranton, take away from the


           17              tree planting.


           18                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr. Patilla.


           19                      MR. SANTOSE: Thank you.  Good


           20              evening council members, associates and


           21              audience.  My name is Jim Santose, I'm the


           22              owner of Park Edge Development.  I want to


           23              shed some light on proposal 7-A.  First I


           24              want to apologize for not signing in because


           25              I didn't think it was necessary to speak






            1              especially after a letter was written by Don


            2              King on this matter proposing the acceptance


            3              of the resolution.  Does everybody have a


            4              copy of that letter?


            5                      MR. MCGOFF: Yes, sir.


            6                      MR. SANTOSE: Now, if you notice at


            7              the bottom of the letter it has like five


            8              people where he sent the copies to.  One of


            9              them was to the city engineer that was


           10              referred to tonight.  Did we get any


           11              response from anybody on that letter


           12              negative, positive?  I guess not.


           13                      MS. GARVEY: No, we didn't.


           14                      MR. SANTOSE:  Thank you.  This


           15              project was designed by CECCO Associates.


           16              As you know, it's one of the finest


           17              engineering firms in the area, and I want to


           18              go back to this letter as written by Don


           19              King.  If you can't trust Don King who can


           20              you trust?  This is the way I look at it,


           21              but there was some issues raised tonight and


           22              I'd like to just again shed some light on


           23              it.


           24                      First of all, shed some light on the


           25              streetlights.  The issue of the streetlights






            1              is there were several attempts made to make


            2              a petition and go around the neighborhood


            3              for people to sign for a streetlight.  They


            4              rejected them.  People do not want


            5              streetlights.  For some reasons unknown to


            6              me, maybe some of the lights would shine in


            7              the living room, bedrooms, who knows, they


            8              did not want any streetlights.  That's why


            9              the streetlights are not there.  There is no


           10              cost to me for the developer, it's between


           11              the city and the PPL that make an agreement


           12              to have the streetlights.  Therefore, there


           13              was no reason for me not to pursue or reason


           14              for me to negligent proposing the


           15              streetlight.


           16                      Then there was an issue about the I


           17              call it the detention pond, some people call


           18              it a retention pond, in this case it's a


           19              detention, water stays there for just a few


           20              hours or whatever the time that it's


           21              designed.  Most of the detention, there is


           22              about three detention ponds in the


           23              development, all of those three belong to


           24              the Townhome Association.  They pay the fees


           25              and they then take care of them through the






            1              fee process.  Before a building would go up


            2              there was a proposal as to what this


            3              detention pond would look that and then take


            4              it to the city and it would go through


            5              approval and then we would start


            6              construction.  Before the building is


            7              constructed the detention pond has to be --


            8              has to be inspected, excuse me, I couldn't


            9              think of the word, inspected, approved, then


           10              the building starts, so all of the detention


           11              ponds are preapproved before the buildings


           12              can go up and, again, they are maintained by


           13              the association.


           14                      Now, last week it was suggested that


           15              this development has been there for ten some


           16              years what took him so long to come up with


           17              the request for resolution.  Tonight is the


           18              opposite, let's take more time to get the


           19              resolution through.  I mean, which way --


           20              where are we going, you know, the same


           21              person recommended both issues.


           22                      Also, I want to make clear that the


           23              front part is townhomes, however, it's not


           24              KOZ, just for the record I want to clear


           25              this issue.  It's the other development






            1              that's KOZ, not this one, Keyser Terrace.


            2              With that I'm finished expect for the fact


            3              that if anybody have any questions from the


            4              audience or from you I would like to answer


            5              them.


            6                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I'd like to ask you


            7              a couple of questions.


            8                      MR. SANTOSE: Sure.


            9                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I am going to vote,


           10              no, tonight and I'm going to explain to you


           11              why.  I have had two or three people that


           12              live in your development that have concerns


           13              about the paving on the road and I


           14              understand Mr. King says -- could I


           15              continue?


           16                      MR. MCGOFF: Yes.


           17                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I understand Mr.


           18              King, I'm not doubting his word, but I


           19              haven't seen any and these people have


           20              concerns.  They said there was no core


           21              samples done.  They are claiming that the


           22              curbs, the height are higher than they


           23              should be because there isn't enough


           24              pavement there, all right?  And I'm not just


           25              trying to look out for their concern.  But I






            1              haven't seen anything with my own eyes, and


            2              then I have two individuals that have


            3              repeatedly on many, many occasions they have


            4              some type of problem with what you are going


            5              to be constructing now on the corner lot.


            6                      MR. SANTOSE: I'm sorry?


            7                      MR. COURTRIGHT: What are you going


            8              be constructing on the corner, the last


            9              corner lot you have on Keyser Avenue?


           10                      MR. SANTOSE: Well, that's a separate


           11              development.  It's altogether different.


           12                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  That's yours


           13              though; correct?


           14                      MR. SANTOSE: It's mine.


           15                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  All right.  And


           16              this is what I'm saying, they are coming to


           17              me saying that and, again, I don't even know


           18              you, sir, I'm sure you are a fine man, but


           19              they are coming to me saying that you aren't


           20              being up front and forthright with what


           21              happened there and they don't believe you


           22              are being upfront and forthright with what's


           23              happening in the other development, and all


           24              I'm asking for and the reason I'm going to


           25              vote, no, tonight is because I haven't seen






            1              anything in writing, you haven't shown me


            2              any core samples, you haven't shown me the


            3              height of the curbs, if that was shown to me


            4              I would certainly vote, yes.  I have learned


            5              not to take people's word sitting up here


            6              and, again, I hope you don't take it


            7              personal.  I'm praying that everything is


            8              100 percent because I know a lot of people


            9              that live there.


           10                      MR. SANTOSE: As far as inspection --


           11                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  You know what, I


           12              went over your time and we are not allowed


           13              to have a back and forth here.


           14                      MR. SANTOSE: All right.  I thought


           15              maybe I should answer.


           16                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I would like for you


           17              to answer, but because of the rules that we


           18              have adopted, you know, I'm not allowed to


           19              converse with you back and forth.


           20                      MR. SANTOSE: There are answers by


           21              the way.


           22                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Pardon me?


           23                      MR. SANTOSE: There are answers to


           24              the questions.


           25                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Yeah, I know, but if






            1              you want to ask Mr. McGoff if he would grant


            2              you the time to answer them I would be happy


            3              to listen.


            4                      MR. SANTOSE: It would only take a


            5              minute or less.  I'll make it very short.


            6                      MR. MCGOFF: Since this is a


            7              one-time, they weren't here for the first


            8              time, I will allow it, yes.


            9                      MR. SANTOSE: Okay.  Thank you very


           10              much.  As far as the curbs, you have an


           11              allowance, so many inches plus or minus and


           12              we meet that, number one.  Number two, as


           13              far the inspection is concerned this was


           14              done several months ago, but Mr. King and


           15              Mr. George Parker they were together, the


           16              reason why his name is not on this letter is


           17              because he is no longer officially the city


           18              engineer, but they inspected the premises


           19              together and the third question about the


           20              other being upfront, I don't think this is


           21              true.  I have always been upfront with them.


           22              I have always been to their meeting, the


           23              Keyser Valley meetings, and I tried to do


           24              whatever, you know, is right.  And we


           25              already -- and, by the way, what he is






            1              talking about is proposed, the near future,


            2              what we are talking about here is something


            3              now today.  There is a big difference in two


            4              different developments.  Thank you.


            5                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.


            6                      MR. MORGAN: Good evening, Council.


            7              I don't want to drag this thing out with


            8              you, I think 7-A and 7-B should be tabled.


            9              I think that for the city to proceed with


           10              7-A what happens if things aren't right


           11              here, is the city going to be liable to fix


           12              all of these things?  And 7-B I can't really


           13              see this tree planting project when you look


           14              at the general condition of the city.  I


           15              mean, we can do better things with those


           16              funds.


           17                      Another thing I would like to go to


           18              is this, you know, everybody is going to


           19              come up with their opinion about what


           20              happened with Judge Geroulo and I'm going to


           21              say that, you know, out of all of the judges


           22              in that courthouse he is one of the only


           23              ones that I really have any respect for.  If


           24              you were saying Judge Harhut or Corbett I


           25              think I would puke, but --






            1                      MR. MCGOFF: Please, Mr. Morgan.


            2                      MR. MORGAN: But Judge Geroulo is


            3              really an upfront guy, and I would like to


            4              say is what he really did there is he


            5              protected this council and this


            6              administration because he knew that the


            7              things that happened in this council chamber


            8              weren't illegal and he wanted to make the


            9              best deal, in my opinion, he possibly could


           10              for this city because the city was going to


           11              be liable, not Mr. Patilla, because in the


           12              end this thing would have wound all the way


           13              through Superior Court to the Supreme Court


           14              and Mr. Patilla would have had to do all


           15              those filings and follow all of the rules of


           16              the Court and it would have drug on and on


           17              and on but in the end he would have won and


           18              I just think he saved himself a lot of hard


           19              work by agreeing to this deal.  I mean, we


           20              have all heard all of the things we have had


           21              about the South Side sports complex and now


           22              from what I understand that deal may have


           23              been killed by another court because what


           24              happened there necessarily wasn't legal.


           25                      And last week when I went home I






            1              watched this meeting and I listened to this


            2              council say that it's purpose was to serve


            3              the people and I really don't find that


            4              because, Mr. McGoff, you stated that your


            5              job here isn't to go fetch anything.  No,


            6              sir, your job is to serve the residents here


            7              and I think that when they ask you for


            8              information I think you should want to share


            9              that information with them.  And the other


           10              problem is that much too often this council


           11              votes on things with no information and then


           12              later on after it's been passed they say, oh


           13              well, I didn't know that, so, I mean, how


           14              can you even consider this really a


           15              legitimate body to conduct the business that


           16              the City of Scranton, consider the long


           17              track record of this council and this


           18              administration and previous administrations


           19              because the blight that's occurred in this


           20              city didn't happen in the last four years,


           21              okay, it's happened over 50 years and for


           22              over 50 years the council and the mayor


           23              haven't necessarily done their job.  It's


           24              just much worse now that the Doherty


           25              administration is in office because they are






            1              borrowing and doing all of the wrong things


            2              here and you can tell that just by looking


            3              around.


            4                      I mean, we have got a basketball


            5              coach, okay, in my opinion and he is running


            6              permits, license and inspections, Mark


            7              Seitzinger.  I brought his resume here and


            8              gave it to council.  I had a copy of his


            9              resume, I brought it here, he is a


           10              basketball coach.  I'm really troubled by


           11              that.  I really am.  I mean, how can the


           12              people of this city have any faith in it's


           13              government when it's own government tries to


           14              disenfranchise it from the information they


           15              deserve to have.  When you go through this


           16              city and see all of the condemned structures


           17              and all we ever talk about is absentee


           18              landlords.  I talked with a gentleman in


           19              Liberty, New York, who was going to come


           20              back down here and by units and when I told


           21              him the stuff that goes on in this city he


           22              thanked me and said, boy, you know, I'm glad


           23              I didn't go down there.  I mean, you've got


           24              these people coming here and investing in


           25              properties and they are losing everything






            1              they own and then everybody blames


            2              everything on absentee landlords.  The truth


            3              of the matter is this city borrowed too much


            4              money, all the time let's borrow more, let's


            5              not make any smart choices, let's not make


            6              any tough decisions, let's not even worry


            7              about any of the information, any of the


            8              backup.  Let's not post it.  You know, Marie


            9              Schumacher is absolutely right.  That point


           10              was brought up 10 years ago or when this


           11              website was even brought into being about


           12              posting all the backup information on


           13              anything on the agenda of this council so


           14              that all of the residents of this city could


           15              see it, but you know what's really going on


           16              here is none of that is important.  You have


           17              the authority to borrow money, give the


           18              mayor permission to borrow to do anything he


           19              wants to do and in the end the people are


           20              totally forgotten and now people are coming


           21              forward saying, well, my house is in


           22              trouble, the gentleman that came here last


           23              week, all right?  I mean, these people are


           24              just being bled dry and then for your


           25              comment to say, well, it's not my job to go






            1              fetch, no, sir.  Your job is to serve the


            2              residents.  But like you said when you first


            3              sat there, you are a personal friend of the


            4              mayor, those were your words, but you know


            5              something, you should be the personal friend


            6              of all of the residents in the city and try


            7              to make their live better, not worse.  Thank


            8              you.


            9                      MS. KRAKE: Good evening, Council, my


           10              name is Nancy Krake.  I would like to remind


           11              everyone that since the first budget in 2002


           12              Mayor Doherty and the seated council at the


           13              time eliminated low-paying clerical jobs and


           14              increased administrative jobs in younger and


           15              salary.  Again, in 2003, the violation of


           16              their own Recovery Plan they eliminated


           17              clerical workers and increased


           18              administrative jobs and salaries.  At this


           19              time they also gave a group of retiring


           20              clerical workers and retiring administration


           21              a double pension.  This pension will cost


           22              the taxpayers approximately $800,000 for the


           23              next 20 years.  The direct results of these


           24              actions are the 26 percent tax increase on


           25              your home and property and over 200 million






            1              in debt and borrowing.  The mayor's


            2              borrowing has a two-fold effect.  It has


            3              eaten up 20 percent of the funds available


            4              to run our city by forcing us to take money


            5              that should be used for services like public


            6              safety and road repair and pay that instead


            7              to our creditors and without a new source of


            8              revenue it will force property taxes to


            9              increase time and time again.  Mayor Doherty


           10              and all the council persons who supported


           11              his economic policies are to blame.  The


           12              councilpersons who voted for all of Mayor


           13              Doherty's legislation since 2001 are Alex


           14              Hazzouri, Kevin Murphy, Tom Gilhooley,


           15              Michael McCormick, John Pocius, Bob


           16              McTiernan, Sherry Fanucci, Judy Gatelli and


           17              Bob McGoff.  The most recent of these laws


           18              are the unusually burdensome fees for


           19              delinquent home and property taxes.


           20              Councilpersons Fanucci and Gatelli proved


           21              the point that they blindly vote for


           22              legislation the mayor puts forth when last


           23              week they were surprised by a taxpayers'


           24              story of how his tax bill went from 80 to


           25              $500.






            1                      Mrs. Gatelli made erroneous


            2              statements concerning the process for


            3              collecting delinquent county, school and


            4              library taxes.  Mr. McGoff did not stop her


            5              even when it was brought to his attention in


            6              the hall outside of council chambers that


            7              Mrs. Gatelli's statements were false.


            8              Mr. McGoff did, however, tell Mrs. Evans not


            9              to make suppositions about the lack of vital


           10              electrical test equipment for the fire


           11              department.  Since last Tuesday, and


           12              probably due in part to Mrs. Evans bringing


           13              light to the situation, the city has


           14              purchased three electrical testers.  It


           15              doesn't matter what anyone says taxpayers,


           16              workers or residents, these three council


           17              persons, Gatelli, Fanucci and McGoff, will


           18              keep voting for Mayor Doherty's policies


           19              which is unfortunately voting against the


           20              average citizen of Scranton.  Thank you.


           21                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mrs. Krake.


           22                      MR. GERVASI:  Good evening, Dave


           23              Gervasi, firefighter, resident of the City


           24              of Scranton.  I wasn't planning on speaking,


           25              I just come here for the entertainment value






            1              as some people like to say, but I guess in


            2              the beginning I just missed it, I guess


            3              Mr. McGoff was doing his honorable duty for


            4              the mayor to beat up, maybe insinuate that


            5              Mrs. Evans may have been wrong when she said


            6              last week, so I'm here to provide some truth


            7              for you.  And believe it or no,


            8              Mrs. Fanucci, I wasn't the fireman that told


            9              her that story last week, honest to God.


           10                      It was 23 days last week since we


           11              had a tragic incident and the firefighters


           12              were busy for probably five days after that


           13              incident working 18-hour days and I could


           14              probably honesty say 150 firefighters didn't


           15              leave fire headquarters.  For 13 days, the


           16              last 13 days as of Wednesday of last week,


           17              the city did nothing, absolutely zero.  As a


           18              matter of fact, up until today we had ten


           19              offers to buy hot sticks and safety


           20              equipment from just plain old residents,


           21              Mrs. Schumacher being one of them.  She is


           22              probably mad as me because she didn't want


           23              me to say that, 13 days the president of our


           24              union, Dave Schreiber left two messages with


           25              Director Hayes, he left two phone messages






            1              with Director Hayes and he had a meeting


            2              with, an actual meeting in the hall when he


            3              said, hey, we need to talk about some stop


            4              gap measures until the experts come in and


            5              how to make sure this never happens again.


            6              Thirteen days.  Then last week we had a fire


            7              on, which I was at the fire, on Linden


            8              Street and there was a problem with PPL.


            9              There was a delay of turning the electric


           10              off there, too, and asked for 13 days, let's


           11              sit down with PPL, let's find out if we can


           12              buy some of this equipment to prevent this


           13              from happening again because we are not


           14              electricians, we are not the experts, our


           15              leadership is supposed to know this.  But


           16              what happens is the city starts spinning,


           17              it's not our fault, we had a safety meeting


           18              that day but there was -- that's what the


           19              director said in the paper.  We had a safety


           20              meeting that day and it was called off


           21              because the fire came in.  Lie number one.


           22              The director said he couldn't make the


           23              meeting before the fire came in.  He already


           24              said he couldn't make the meeting, so I


           25              guess he was really concerned about our






            1              safety, the first safety meeting since this


            2              incident.


            3                      Then our chief goes onto say that


            4              PPL did a phenomenal job at the fire.  That


            5              was a wonderful and he even rated them eight


            6              out of ten.  Here is man who has 30 years


            7              involved with the fire department, can't


            8              even run the fire department, how the heck


            9              would he ever know what kind of job PPL ever


           10              did?  But our president went to the paper


           11              and embarrassed them because he wasn't


           12              getting a phone call back from our director


           13              Ray Hayes, so it hits the paper on


           14              Wednesday.  Nobody is talking to us, we have


           15              safety concerns, we want to meet with PPL


           16              we, we want policy, SOG's, SOP's to work


           17              with PPL to make sure this doesn't happen


           18              again.  It hits the paper, all of sudden the


           19              next day Mayor Doherty himself calls Dave


           20              Schreiber, come on down, we have to have a


           21              meeting.  And on Friday they had a meeting


           22              and the chief was belligerent at the


           23              meeting, made no excuses about it, but my


           24              president and our deputy chief was the ones


           25              who did research since this incident






            1              happened, simply went on the Internet and


            2              found out, hey, there is these sticks that


            3              are $299.  There is these proximity alarms


            4              that they make for trucks, a little more


            5              expensive, from 5 to $15,000 each.  Our guys


            6              had to do it.  You know what our chief did


            7              or our director did since this tragedy?


            8              Zero, until they were embarrassed in the


            9              paper then they tried to cover themselves by


           10              lying saying they couldn't get to a safety


           11              meeting.  They are a liars.  That's the


           12              truth.  All of a sudden Friday night we get


           13              three hot sticks.  All of a sudden the mayor


           14              finds money.  We don't have money to fix our


           15              vehicles.  We don't have money to purchase


           16              fire trucks, but all of a sudden they are


           17              embarrassed and now we finally get fire


           18              sticks and, believe me, I'm going to tell


           19              you the truth for all fairness, they are


           20              looking at even better equipment now.  They


           21              are looking at proximity alarms, carte


           22              blanch, whatever we want, but it took


           23              23 days for them to make a move and it took


           24              my president 13 days before the city would


           25              even sit and talk to him about this, so you






            1              see where his priorities are?  But, don't


            2              worry about it, he is worrying about who is


            3              going to take over Channel 61, he is worried


            4              about planting trees in South Side.  I'm


            5              sorry.


            6                      MR. SLEDZENSKI: Hi, Judge.


            7                      MS. GATELLI: Hi, Chrissy.


            8                      MR. SLEDZENSKI: Hi, Bill.


            9                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Hi, Chris.


           10                      MR. SLEDZENSKI: I got a question to


           11              ask you, just only you, Billy, the other


           12              morning when I got out of bed one morning


           13              there was truck there at the house, is he


           14              allowed to have a truck there like that or


           15              what?


           16                      MR. COURTRIGHT: We'll have to have


           17              the cops talk to him about it.


           18                      MR. SLEDZENSKI: All right, thanks,


           19              Bill.


           20                      MR. COURTRIGHT: You are welcome.


           21                      MR. DAVIS: Salaam aleikum.  It's


           22              been a great week for me really.  We were at


           23              Bethel A & E last Sunday and I would say


           24              there are about 6 to 70 people there


           25              registering for Barack Obama, Senator Barack






            1              Obama's campaign for either his volunteers


            2              or as workers and the community came


            3              together and it seems like it's going to


            4              come together, and we have a very positive


            5              viewpoint to the next elected official,


            6              hopefully it will be Barack Obama.  But what


            7              I'm here tonight for is to tell everyone out


            8              there please register to vote.  Do yourself


            9              a favor, only 20 percent of the population


           10              of Lackawanna County voted in the last


           11              election, 20 percent.  If we were to vote


           12              like we should we wouldn't have problems


           13              with people that sit on our dais and refuse


           14              to give us the proper answers.  If they fear


           15              our vote, if they fear this when it comes


           16              time to vote then they would do things in a


           17              better way.  I have heard complaints all


           18              night long, and I sat and I listened to them


           19              and I'm amazed at the fact that I don't know


           20              how you take it.  I really don't.  That's,


           21              you know, it's like -- it's not stabbing you


           22              with a knife or anything like that, but it's


           23              just making your whole countenance seem


           24              lesser than what it really is.


           25                      Last week I think Mr. -- the






            1              president said to me that he was not a


            2              problem with diversity and he gave me five


            3              different statistics of how he was a diverse


            4              individual and I went behind him and I


            5              called the school board and tried to find


            6              out how much people do we have working for


            7              the school board?  How many people do we


            8              have, you know, that are minorities?  How


            9              many students do we have in the school board


           10              and you know the numbers I don't know what


           11              diversity means, I really don't.  I don't


           12              know how you define it, but whatever way you


           13              define, please, check it out.  Look and see.


           14              I think you will find out that it's not a


           15              very, very diverse society we are dealing


           16              with and our kids do not have a lot to look


           17              up to and this is something that we want to


           18              change.  We are going to change it now, we


           19              are going to change it as soon as this


           20              election is over and, believe me, I think


           21              you are going to have a forced year, and I


           22              thank you for listening to me and I don't


           23              request an answer to anything I have said


           24              and I hope I haven't insulted anyone.  Thank


           25              you.






            1                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr. Davis.


            2              Anyone else?  Fourth Order.


            3                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  I'm going to speak


            4              briefly on 7-A, I will wait and see if


            5              someone here would be willing to do this.  I


            6              know we tabled it once and I would prefer to


            7              table it again and I'll tell you why.  I do


            8              not doubt this gentleman's honesty that came


            9              to the podium.  I do not doubt the honesty


           10              of Mr. King, I just haven't seen anything in


           11              writing myself and how could I go to the


           12              individuals that have those questions and


           13              honestly tell them I voted in good


           14              conscience just because someone had told me


           15              that, so I would like to see the report and


           16              the core samples or whatever, I don't even


           17              know who is the doing the engineering now or


           18              whoever did it in the past before I would be


           19              willing to vote, yes, so I will wait and see


           20              if maybe one of my colleagues will -- I'm


           21              not going to make the motion if it's not


           22              going to pass so if one of the other people


           23              will make it I'm sure that it will pass.


           24                      I forgot Mr. DeSarno's question last


           25              week so he restated it this week and I've






            1              got several things to say about that.  The


            2              27 pay, when that first came about I started


            3              asking questions and I was told, you know,


            4              it happens every so many years and I believe


            5              it might have within happened in the


            6              Connor's administration and this is what


            7              needs to be done and I always thought that


            8              they were 100 percent wrong trying to hold


            9              back on the 27 pay.  I thought, well, we are


           10              going to end up paying it and paying it with


           11              interest, and I just thought, well, maybe


           12              this mayor's lawyers had some kind of a


           13              loophole or backdoor or anything, I didn't


           14              know, so they were going to give a shot, so


           15              they did and they lost.  But, when they lose


           16              and then they go and have a good faith thing


           17              that, you know, the police would get it, and


           18              then they go to Court again and cost the


           19              taxpayers more money with lawyers and


           20              knowing that they are going to lose it, no,


           21              I don't agree with that.  Do I consider that


           22              frivolous?  Absolutely, Mr. DeSarno.


           23              Absolutely.  Other things you had brought


           24              up, I was -- I can't even remember how many


           25              years ago, it was over in Greenridge in






            1              front of the mayor's house there that kid


            2              got beat up pretty bad and I attended a


            3              meeting over there, it might have been the


            4              Greenridge American Legion, it was some


            5              hall, I forget, it was jam-packed.  There


            6              was every news media there, I had to


            7              actually stand in a kitchen in the place,


            8              that's how crowded it was, and back then I


            9              stated that, you know, people wanted more


           10              police officers on the street and they were


           11              looking for suggestions how we could do that


           12              and I said, look at, the Connors'


           13              administration was forced to hire SIT


           14              clerks.  Why don't we bring them back and


           15              let them do the reports and at least put the


           16              officers on the street for a little while


           17              longer while they are not doing reports


           18              because we are going to end up paying for


           19              these SIT clerks.  We are going to pay for


           20              people that never came in to work, and I was


           21              yelling at them and I remember the


           22              administration said I was turning that


           23              meeting into politics.  Well, here we are ho


           24              many years later and how many hundreds of


           25              thousands of dollars are we going to pay






            1              now?  Millions?  Millions of dollars, all


            2              right, and I was told I was being political.


            3              I mean, it was in the contract, it was black


            4              and white.  I don't believe Mayor Connors


            5              wanted the contract, I believe PEL may have


            6              put them in there.  It's in the contract,


            7              it's black and white.  How did you figure


            8              you are just come in and say, "I'm the new


            9              mayor, I don't want them anymore."


           10                      Well, now we are paying.  You and I


           11              are paying, so to answer to your question,


           12              Mr. DeSarno, do I think those type of things


           13              are frivolous?  Absolutely I do.


           14                      On a lighter note, there is a police


           15              sergeant, Jimmy Sheridan, his son Matt is a


           16              Lance Corporal in the Marine Corp, he was a


           17              big athlete from West Scranton High School,


           18              two time all regional district champion


           19              wrestler and a two-time all district


           20              champion wrestler and he is going to be


           21              deployed now to Iraq, so I would just like


           22              for everybody to maybe if you can keep him


           23              in your prayers.  He is being deployed


           24              in March and hopefully he comes home safe


           25              and sound.






            1                      Tripp Park, we got the answers from


            2              -- I keep forgetting this woman's name, I


            3              apologize, Mrs. Patterson, maybe it's not


            4              Mrs. Mary Patterson, she it the new


            5              solicitor and I asked Mr. Minora to explain


            6              some of things to me on there.  They showed


            7              what bonds were put up and it doesn't say on


            8              here did we ever return the bonds to them or


            9              not and Mr. Minora explained to me that the


           10              one letter of credit expired in 2001, so


           11              that's probably still not in effect, but


           12              maybe I'll just go up and -- I haven't met


           13              the lady, so I probably should introduce


           14              myself to her and maybe I'll just go up and


           15              ask her in person did we return or does this


           16              gentleman still have bonds out there because


           17              I know that the people in the live in the


           18              Tripp Park development are upset with a lot


           19              of things that happened up there and they


           20              can't believe how his bond would be held


           21              until these things were rectified, so I will


           22              speak to Mrs. Patterson, or I'm sorry, I


           23              keep calling here Mrs. Patterson, Mary


           24              Patterson, I don't if she is a Mrs. or not,


           25              is she?






            1                      MR. MCGOFF: Yes.


            2                      MR. COURTRIGHT: She is?  Okay.  You


            3              know, the fire department awhile back I used


            4              to attend meetings on Thursday, I believe it


            5              was once a month safety meetings on Thursday


            6              and I had missed I think maybe three in a


            7              row because they actually did me a favor and


            8              scheduled them on Thursday morning because I


            9              could make it and my scheduled had changed


           10              and I had missed them and then I hadn't


           11              received any information anymore about those


           12              safety meetings, so I don't know if you are


           13              having them anymore or if you're not, but if


           14              you are I'll find out and I'll try it attend


           15              them.  I think we've got to consistently be


           16              updating our standard operating procedures


           17              because I don't think that we should ever


           18              allow anything that happened to Jimmy


           19              Robeson happen again, that we should do


           20              everything possible to try and avoid it and


           21              I'm sure each and every year there is new


           22              and upcoming things that will keep our guys


           23              safe and females safe, I don't want to just


           24              say guys, but I think that the chief and the


           25              president of the union or whoever represents






            1              their safety committee should meet and


            2              discuss these ideas and, you know, just


            3              leave the politics out and discuss them


            4              because nobody's life is worth losing no


            5              matter what side of the political fence you


            6              are on here and I can understand how you got


            7              irate there, Mr. Gervasi, I can certainly


            8              understand that.


            9                      Moving on, the numbers on the houses


           10              I think we went through this once before why


           11              it's not being enforced, I don't think we


           12              have the personnel.  I think that's the


           13              simple reason.  I believe it was said that


           14              maybe inspection would be the ones that --


           15              the inspectors might be the ones that go out


           16              and there and enforce it.  I don't think we


           17              have enough inspectors the way it is.  I


           18              think we have one health inspector and I


           19              believe we need more than that so I believe


           20              that's the reason that the numbers on houses


           21              aren't being enforced, lack of personnel.


           22              Again, I know that doesn't sit well with


           23              you, but that's the answer that I had gotten


           24              in the past.


           25                      And one last thing, lines being






            1              painted on the streets.  That's been a


            2              problem for about three years now since I


            3              have been here that we don't have the lines


            4              painted in the city the way they should be


            5              and I think it's getting worse than it was


            6              in the past.  There is another thing that I


            7              think, I said it before and I'll say it


            8              again, we need at least another person in


            9              this department and probably another machine


           10              to paint them.  They don't have enough


           11              personnel to do what they need to do now.  I


           12              think there is, I don't want to say names,


           13              but I think there it maybe three people in


           14              there and the foreman, just simply not


           15              enough to take care of what we have, so I


           16              don't think until we put somebody else into


           17              that department and other personnel and


           18              possibly another line painting machine that


           19              you are going to see us come up to where we


           20              need to be with these lines.  And I believe


           21              that's all I have.  Thank you.


           22                      MR. MCGOFF: Mrs. Fanucci.


           23                      MS. FANUCCI: I'm going to address


           24              some of the questions from Mrs. Schumacher


           25              and also Mr. Quinn regarding the tree






            1              situation.  This seems to be a very


            2              contentious issue, but I think we need to


            3              understand what is available in the city and


            4              how this came to be.  Some of the


            5              suggestions, I had got an e-mail I believe


            6              with Mr. Quinn's letter saying that we


            7              should be putting this money into housing


            8              rehab.  We have a housing rehab program in


            9              the city.  The money comes out of the Home


           10              Money Fund.  We have that.  That already is


           11              going on.  There is money there, and it is


           12              for rehabbing houses.  We are currently


           13              rehabbing houses all over the city, but


           14              there is still money available and I think


           15              Mr. Quinn the reason in the 80's they used


           16              to use the CDBG money, now they've changed


           17              and they use this new account since 1994


           18              it's called Home Money Fund.  So, there is


           19              rehab money and it is being done, so that


           20              money is already taken care of.


           21                      For the street paving curbs and


           22              sidewalks was another thing that was


           23              addressed, that we should be using this


           24              money for that.  You can only use this money


           25              in low to moderate income areas that have






            1              been designated by the state already which


            2              happens when people sign and decide -- in


            3              saying how much money you make, your income,


            4              it goes into the state and they decide where


            5              your low to moderate income areas are.  You


            6              can only use the money for low to moderate


            7              income areas for curbing sidewalks.  This


            8              can only happen every seven years.  We have


            9              already done all of the areas and they are


           10              not ready to be done again.  Some might be


           11              up in another year, but as for right now we


           12              cannot use this money for that so I wanted


           13              to address that because a lot of this I


           14              wanted to know myself why weren't we using


           15              that.


           16                      Public service money.  We cannot --


           17              I would love to be able to say we can use


           18              this money to put more cops on the street,


           19              you know, use it for any type of service.


           20              We cannot use this for service because we


           21              have to use 15 percent of the total funding


           22              for public service, that is all the


           23              allowance which means if we decide to maybe


           24              put more police on the streets, that comes


           25              out of that funding.  When we fund, help the






            1              Girls and Boys Club, Salvation Army Senior


            2              Center, Meals on Wheels, all of those people


            3              have to come out of that 15 percent.  We


            4              have exhausted that 15 percent already and a


            5              lot of that was done a few weeks ago when we


            6              sat down and we allocated the money.


            7                      I believe that people think that the


            8              plans are just like taken out of the air.


            9              Every five years is a consolidated plan


           10              that's conducted, a study is performed and


           11              the state, there's a guide for the state to


           12              say, okay, here is what's going on.  Maybe


           13              we need to have infrastructure done.  Maybe


           14              you are weak in your economic development.


           15              Maybe we need to see more shelters.


           16              Whatever comes out of this study, this


           17              five-year study that's how the year


           18              guideline goes where these type of projects


           19              and what kind of projects are going to come


           20              about.  So, the last project, the last study


           21              the last five years said that our South Side


           22              was very deteriorated.  We had to start


           23              putting some money into South Side because


           24              it was not -- it needed to be fixed.  So the


           25              money we are taking for the trees are from






            1              old projects.  This is not new money, this


            2              is not money that we will be using, this is


            3              money that was not used in old projects and


            4              they put it together.  The reason that it's


            5              being allocated to South Side is because it


            6              goes and coincides with the year plan which


            7              is to help renovate and restore South Side.


            8              It is not just because out of all of the


            9              things in the city we think we need trees.


           10              There is a plan.  There is always a plan and


           11              realize that the plan is not just through


           12              us, it's through the state, you have to make


           13              sure that you are complying with all of the


           14              rules and regulations and they have to


           15              approve the plan every single year.  Now,


           16              does that mean we don't change it every once


           17              in awhile and decide to put the cart before


           18              the horse, obviously trees before the rest


           19              is done, you do it when the money becomes


           20              available, and that's what's being done.  No


           21              different than the flood project.  You know,


           22              they are putting things before they acquire


           23              all the properties.  That's how it's done.


           24              You do it when you can do it and that's what


           25              it's about.  It's not just about trees.






            1              It's about keeping with what we need to do


            2              to keep our city, you know, in the best


            3              shape we can.


            4                      Small business was addressed


            5              tonight, too.  We have many small business


            6              programs at OECD.  The city, not just


            7              themselves, there are small interests all


            8              over the city.  Small business is able to be


            9              helped.  You still have to comply, you still


           10              have to create jobs for low to moderate


           11              income, how much money you are looking for,


           12              you still have to have collateral, you still


           13              have to have something to put up to say this


           14              is what I'm going to do, you have to have a


           15              plan, and you have to have backers and you


           16              have to have everything that you still would


           17              need to start a small business, but there is


           18              help out there.  So all of these


           19              misconceptions week after week about what


           20              the city does and does not do is just not


           21              accurate.  So, I hope that maybe that gives


           22              a little bit more understanding to what goes


           23              into OECD that they are just not picking


           24              from what I heard like the favorites of the


           25              city, and it's pretty much -- it's pretty






            1              much -- everyone has to have the same


            2              qualifications.  If you come in and you look


            3              for a loan you still have to have the same


            4              qualifications, it doesn't matter who you,


            5              you still have to fit the criteria.


            6                      Okay, because I also want to talk


            7              about some of the things that were addressed


            8              tonight.  Listen, I can go back and forth


            9              with this crowd forever, and go back and


           10              forth on what I believe and what you


           11              believe.  I do not feel that I have made any


           12              bad mistakes nor do I feel I need to


           13              apologize for what I have done.  You feel


           14              differently than I do.  Many of you feel


           15              differently than I do and that's fine,


           16              that's okay.  Am I sad that you are up here


           17              fighting for what you need to fight for?


           18              Absolutely not.  That's what this is about.


           19              You can do that all you want, but don't get


           20              angry because I have my views and I feel


           21              very strongly, as strongly as you do about


           22              your views.


           23                      My laughing.  My laughing always


           24              seem to be funny.  I can't imagine that it


           25              actually gets as much attention as it does,






            1              but, yes, when I see how it is conducted


            2              here and, of course, when it so blatantly


            3              obvious I'm going to laugh, just like you


            4              would laugh if it was me.


            5                      I understand the bottom line and


            6              that's what I listen to.  I don't listen to


            7              the fact that, like, you can, you know, get


            8              mad at this or get mad at that, I listen to


            9              the bottom line.  The bottom line is I


           10              believe in the Recovery Plan.  That is a bad


           11              issue.  It is not an easy path to take and


           12              it's certainly not easy in this forum.  I do


           13              believe it can work.  Now, is that going to


           14              make me popular with the unions?  Absolutely


           15              not.  Is that understandable?  Sure it is.


           16              They are fighting for their jobs.  They are


           17              fighting for what they want, they are


           18              fighting for what they believe in.


           19                      MR. GERVASI: You are clueless.


           20                      MS. FANUCCI:  And, yes, I'm clueless


           21              from what I just heard.


           22                      MS. GERVASI: Yes, your are.  You are


           23              clueless.  You are clueless.


           24                      MS. FANUCCI: I'm not going to argue.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF: Mr. Gervasi, that's






            1              unacceptable.


            2                      MS. GERVASI: I know, throw me out,


            3              Mr. McGoff.


            4                      MS. FANUCCI: It's fine.


            5                      MR. GERVASI:  Clueless.


            6                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.


            7                      MR. GERVASI: You are very welcome.


            8                      MR. MCGOFF:  Thank you for acting


            9              mature.


           10                      MR. GERVASI:  Who paid her -- who


           11              financed her campaign?


           12                      MR. MCGOFF: Excuse me.


           13                      MR. GERVASI: Who financed her


           14              campaign.  She believes in the Recovery


           15              Plan.


           16                      MR. MCGOFF: Excuse me.


           17                      MR. GERVASI: You haven't even read


           18              it.  You are clueless.


           19                      MS. FANUCCI: This is a perfect


           20              example of what goes on and that's fine, I


           21              understand that, but for some reason I'm


           22              supposed to think differently.  I'm the one,


           23              I believe in it and you don't have to like


           24              it.  I also will fight for what I believe in


           25              and say what I think whether or not it is






            1              popular and it's not going to be popular


            2              among the unions and I understand that,


            3              also.  I don't want you to have to -- I want


            4              you to fight it out.  I think you deserve to


            5              fight it out.  I think that both sides are


            6              not going to stop and I said this from day


            7              one, nobody is going to stop.  It is going


            8              to be fought out in Court.  There will be no


            9              signing of that contract, I can guarantee


           10              it, because it wouldn't have gone six years.


           11              It was a long time.  Do they deserve a


           12              raise?  Absolutely.  Did I say that they


           13              didn't?  Never.  Do they deserve to fight


           14              for what they want?  Absolutely.  Both sides


           15              have to come to a conclusion and for some


           16              reason that's not a good statement either.


           17              I don't know.  I believe that that's what


           18              America is about, it's fair.  Sit down,


           19              figure it out and then everyone leaves the


           20              table hopefully happy at some point.


           21                      But I certainly am not going to sit


           22              here week after week and respond to little


           23              digs and little innuendoes so that we can


           24              keep this going.  There is not what forum is


           25              about.  I'm going to do my job and I'm going






            1              to make decisions and whether or not people


            2              believe that I read or don't read what


            3              happens behind the scenes, I study very hard


            4              and decide myself what I believe.  Just


            5              because I agree with someone else doesn't


            6              mean that I don't see your point and if I


            7              don't agree with you I am listening to you,


            8              but it doesn't mean that I'm not on your


            9              side, it just means that I have made my


           10              decision on what I believe is correct, and


           11              that is all.  I just -- it gets so tiring


           12              day after day and week after week.  This has


           13              been on and, you know, they say if you keep


           14              creating the same atmosphere and you are


           15              waiting for a different change then it's


           16              called insanity.  We have the same


           17              atmosphere here.  Nothing has changed.


           18              Nobody has gotten anywhere.  I have said


           19              from day one if we sit down and try to do


           20              this in a way where everyone can come to


           21              terms and to each and really bring educated


           22              and talk about what we need to do instead of


           23              constantly badgering and picking and, you


           24              know, tonight it seemed like Mr. McGoff is


           25              on the hot seat, I was happy to be able to






            1              take the night off.


            2                      MR. MCGOFF: Thanks.


            3                      MS. FANUCCI: But I have to say that


            4              instead of coming here with those type of


            5              attitudes and behavior and wonder why


            6              nothing has changed it's pretty obvious it's


            7              not going to change, so if that's how we


            8              want to continue here the results will be


            9              the same.  We will keep making the decisions


           10              we feel, you will keep yelling about the


           11              decisions that we make.  That's what's going


           12              to happen, so that is really all I have to


           13              say.


           14                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.  Mrs.


           15              Gatelli.


           16                      MS. GATELLI: I just have a few


           17              things, I appreciate Mr. Santose, and I know


           18              you a long time and I appreciate your coming


           19              here and explaining your situation, but I


           20              have to agree with Mr. Courtright and I will


           21              make the motion to table it again only


           22              because I haven't seen anything from a city


           23              engineer.  Now, you said that Mr. Parker did


           24              inspect it and he is not the city engineer


           25              now, but if he inspected it then he must






            1              have been the city engineer when he


            2              inspected.


            3                      MR. SANTOSE: He was.


            4                      MS. GATELLI: So he should be able to


            5              give us a letter stating that he inspected


            6              it, you know, it's up to code, it's the way


            7              it's supposed to be and he is an engineer,


            8              and I think I asked for something else, Kay,


            9              I can't remember right now, that escapes me,


           10              but I asked for three items for Kay to check


           11              into and she will know later because she is


           12              much smarter than I am, but there were three


           13              items that I was interested in and I think


           14              they were very similar to the items that


           15              Bill was interested in and as long as you


           16              have waited this long I don't see why


           17              waiting another week or two is going to


           18              hurt.  We just want to be sure because there


           19              have been developments where we are not


           20              getting the right answers and they are not


           21              being nice to the people, no reflection on


           22              you, but there is a development where people


           23              are suffering and we don't want it to happen


           24              up there.  So it's no reflection on you, but


           25              we need to see the proper documents.  So I






            1              will make that motion that we table it until


            2              we get those items.


            3                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.


            4                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?


            5                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Just real briefly,


            6              Mr. McGoff, I would like to say if, in fact,


            7              you know, I get Mr. Parker's report and he


            8              says everything is all right I'm fine with


            9              it then because he is an engineer and he has


           10              got a license and I'm sure he has to seal it


           11              and he would be held accountable if


           12              something went wrong and that's all I'm


           13              locking for the.


           14                      MR. SANTOSE:  Above all that, he


           15              inspected --


           16                      MR. MCGOFF: Mr. Santose, thank you.


           17                      MR. SANTOSE: Okay, I'm sorry.


           18                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  I understand.  I


           19              understand he was the city engineer at the


           20              time and that's good enough for me that he


           21              was a city engineer at the time because I'm


           22              sure whoever is going to be the new city


           23              engineer would have to go through the same


           24              procedures to be licensed and everything and


           25              I'm just -- I just need you to understand






            1              that I answer to more than just yourself.


            2              We have to answer to a lot of people and I'm


            3              hoping everything is great because I know a


            4              lot of people that live in your development,


            5              so I hope everything is fine and, again,


            6              nothing personal.


            7                      MR. MCGOFF: We have a motion to


            8              table Item 7-A.


            9                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.


           10                      MR. MCGOFF: It's been seconded.  All


           11              those in favor?


           12                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


           13                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


           14                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


           15                      MR. MCGOFF:  Opposed?  No. The ayes


           16              have it and so moved.


           17                      MS. GATELLI: Thank you.  I'm not


           18              going to go through the tree project again.


           19              I can't believe the trees for 60,000 is


           20              causing such a ruckus.  It's part of the


           21              South Side redevelopment plan, it's going


           22              into low and moderate income areas,


           23              Mr. Santolli who is the city forester can


           24              certainly answer any of your questions.  He


           25              lives on Prescott Avenue, his phone number






            1              is the book.  He will be planting trees that


            2              can go on the tree lawn, that will not lift


            3              up your sidewalk.  They will be large trees


            4              and they are part of the revitalization


            5              project in South Scranton.  As you all know,


            6              South Scranton has suffered immensely lower


            7              South Side in the last several years and we


            8              are trying to bring it back as the Hill


            9              section was brought back under Mayor


           10              Connors, so I feel very strongly about it.


           11              I will be voting for it, and if anyone has


           12              any questions about the trees, like I said,


           13              you can call Mr. Santolli.  Everyone will be


           14              asked if they want a tree.  They are not


           15              going to be planted in front of a house


           16              where no one is going to take care of them.


           17              Several years ago as a neighborhood project


           18              we planted some trees and they are all


           19              surviving.  I can take you to several houses


           20              where we have planted them and the people


           21              love them, so I will be voting for that.


           22                   I'd like to possibly send the mayor a


           23              letter, we are always talking about more


           24              inspectors and I agree that we certainly


           25              need more inspectors in the Community






            1              Development Office.  Blight and things of


            2              that nature, health issues, are the number


            3              one concern of the citizens I believe.  Most


            4              calls I get are about abandoned houses,


            5              overcrowded houses, and things of that


            6              nature, so I think that more inspectors are


            7              needed.


            8                      And several years ago we met with


            9              the mayor about a rental registration


           10              program.  We passed it with further


           11              legislation to strength up that rental


           12              registration program and I really don't see


           13              it being administered, so I would like to


           14              send a mayor to the letter, you can tell I


           15              have a bad cold, I'm out of sorts tonight, I


           16              apologize, but I'd like to send a letter and


           17              possibly have a meeting with some members of


           18              council and Mr. Seitzinger and see if we


           19              can't get the rental registration program


           20              going full force, maybe we can even hire a


           21              contractor to register the homes in the


           22              beginning because that's very cumbersome to


           23              register all of these rental properties, so


           24              that was a thought I had.  We can hire


           25              someone and at least get them registered and






            1              then we have the money to hire more


            2              inspectors.  The way we had figured it out


            3              at the time it would generate at least


            4              $1 million a year the rental registration


            5              program and we could hire quite a few


            6              inspectors, so I think we should pursue


            7              that.


            8                      The only other thing I would like to


            9              say is I apologize if I made any erroneous


           10              statements last week, but when I worked in


           11              city hall certainly the tax bill was


           12              separate then I guess.  I don't know because


           13              mine comes out of my mortgage so it's just


           14              automatically paid, but I know that we had a


           15              list of people that did not pay city tax and


           16              they paid county tax and school tax so as


           17              not to go to sherif's sale, so I'm going to


           18              investigate that further and I certainly


           19              apologize if I gave any erroneous


           20              statements, it wasn't intentional.  You


           21              know, if we want to talk about erroneous


           22              statements I think a lot of them come from


           23              the podium and I never criticize anybody.  I


           24              don't say, you know, well, that's not true.


           25              So, I would hope that someone could come to






            1              me next time and tell me, you know, Judy,


            2              you were wrong, here is this facts and


            3              figures and, you know, I do apologize.  I


            4              didn't mean to that, but, I will investigate


            5              it further.  And the houses that are being


            6              sold are being sold through the county


            7              through the sheriff's sale.  As Mr. McGoff


            8              said, not one house was taken from anybody


            9              under the city program, so we'll investigate


           10              that a little further, too.  And I think


           11              that's all I have.  Thank you for being so


           12              kind and listening.  And, Ms. McColligan, I


           13              think you are wonderful speaker and you


           14              sound like you really care about the city


           15              and I would work with you any time with your


           16              ideas to move the city forward.  Thank you


           17              for being so kind and so articulate.  That's


           18              all.


           19                      MR. MCGOFF: I would like to address


           20              a few brief things.  Number one, Mrs. Franus


           21              and Mr. Spindler brought up the use of DPW


           22              vehicles to transport the paintings during


           23              the Linden Street fire.  It is my belief


           24              that Mr. Brazil acted in good faith in an


           25              attempt to help a business that was in






            1              jeopardy.  I don't believe that it was done,


            2              at least to my knowledge it was done for any


            3              personal gain.  As a matter of fact, I don't


            4              know what personal gain Mr. Brazil would


            5              have gotten out of that.  I believe, also,


            6              that, you know, one of the first duties of


            7              the Department of Public Works is to serve


            8              the public and certainly any business that


            9              is in jeopardy is part of public.  If it so


           10              happens that it is a business that has some


           11              ties to the mayor or any other member of


           12              city administration I think is superfluous


           13              to what is being done, but with that said, I


           14              will certainly -- if there was any


           15              wrongdoing I will look into it, but as I


           16              said, I believe and I spoke to Mr. Brazil


           17              actually that day and I believe that he was


           18              acting in good faith and in no way


           19              attempting to usurp funds or anything else


           20              from the city.


           21                      I too, Mrs. McColligan, would say


           22              that I feel that I have attempted to have


           23              respect for everyone that speaks at council


           24              meetings and have respect for other members


           25              of council.  There are instances in which I






            1              believe that certain people are being used


            2              in ways that are unacceptable.  It certainly


            3              is not being done by me, I don't see that


            4              it's being done by anyone on council, and it


            5              is an unfortunate situation and I think we


            6              try to deal with it as best as possible.


            7                   And, also, just to respond as maybe as


            8              Mrs. Gatelli did and Mrs. Fanucci, are there


            9              things that I have done on council that are


           10              votes that I have taken that I have


           11              questioned?  Probably.  Are there ones for


           12              which I am -- that I feel I have made a


           13              mistake in questioning them, I feel that the


           14              votes that I have made have been


           15              responsible.  I don't feel that I have


           16              broken any trust and if I did I would


           17              certainly make an attempt to rectify it.


           18                   And to Mr. DeSarno, again, I know he


           19              had to leave, again, I don't think that


           20              anyone -- well, I won't speak for anyone


           21              else, I have never done anything in any way


           22              to try and be ignorant to any speaker or any


           23              people in the public.  The answers that I


           24              gave to Mr. DeSarno were not copouts.  The


           25              answers were honest and forthright.  People






            1              may not appreciate them or agree with them,


            2              but they are and he asks for our opinions on


            3              why we make decisions, I have attempted to


            4              do that, to tell him why, and will continue


            5              to do so.  And hopefully we will -- people


            6              will get -- or we will get the information


            7              that's needed for the Keyser Valley or


            8              Keyser Avenue project and while that item is


            9              tabled tonight I will ask that it be put on


           10              the agenda for next week and hopefully by


           11              that time people will have received the


           12              documentation that they need in order to


           13              proceed forward.  And to Mr. Morgan, I took


           14              offense at his condemnation of basketball


           15              coaches, I have been one for 35 years.  I


           16              really -- I'm not insulted.


           17                      MS. GATELLI: Mr. McGoff, I would


           18              like to interrupt you for a minute, but they


           19              did ask Mr. Seitzinger's qualifications and


           20              e-mailed to all of council that he was


           21              certified for that position with the


           22              Department of Labor and Industry, so he did


           23              take the proper tests and he is certified


           24              for the position, just for the record.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF: Mr. Morgan made some






            1              comments last week about the fire chief, Tom


            2              Davis.  Just, again, maybe for the record or


            3              in response, Chief Davis as far as I know


            4              did not retire on disability.  And as far as


            5              being physically fit to be involved in fires


            6              Chief Davis, I run with him on weekends, he


            7              is one of the most physically fit persons


            8              that I know, especially for a gentleman his


            9              age, which is close to mine, and in going


           10              backwards on the disability at times there


           11              was a point in his firefighting career when


           12              he fell off a -- it wasn't during a fire,


           13              fell off a roof and was impaled on a fence


           14              and returned to work within a month, so I


           15              think his dedication to the job and his


           16              physical fitness or qualifications were --


           17              Mr. Morgan's statements were somewhat


           18              misleading.  And, also, I did want to


           19              respond to Mr. Gervasi that the information


           20              that I presented at the beginning of the


           21              meeting was from a representee of the


           22              firefighters.  It was not from the


           23              administration.  I received information, I


           24              was speaking with someone in the


           25              firefighters, a member of the firefighters'






            1              union, and I was told by that person, a


            2              person of some responsibility, that there


            3              was never a rejection of the proposal to buy


            4              the equipment that was mentioned.  So I was


            5              responding based on something and


            6              information that I received from


            7              firefighters themselves, and that is all I


            8              have.  Thank you.


            9                      MS. GARVEY: FIFTH ORDER.  NO


           10              BUSINESS AT THIS TIME.  SIXTH ORDER.  6-A.


           11              READING BY TITLE - FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 13,


           12              2008 - AN ORDINANCE - APPROVING THE TRANSFER




           14              OWNED BY N&L VENDING, INC., 143 COUNTRY CLUB


           15              ESTATES, THORNHURST, PA, 18424, LICENSE NO.


           16              R-11639 TO POWER MACE, INC. FOR USE AT 1175


           17              KANE STREET, SCRANTON, PA. THE CURRENT


           18              LOCATION OF ANGELINA'S RESTAURANT AS




           20              BOARD.


           21                      MR. MCGOFF: You have heard reading


           22              by title of Item 6-A, what is your pleasure


           23              of.


           24                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I move that Item 6-A


           25              pass reading by title.






            1                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.


            2                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?  All


            3              those in favor signify by saying aye.


            4                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.


            5                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.


            6                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.


            7                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The


            8              ayes have it and so moved.


            9                      MS. GARVEY: SEVENTH ORDER.  7-A has


           10              been tabled.  We will move to 7-B.  FOR




           12              DEVELOPMENT - FOR ADOPTION - FILE OF COUNCIL


           13              NO. 12, 2008 - AMENDING FILE OF COUNCIL NO.


           14              49, 2006, ENTITLED, "AN ORDINANCE




           16              OFFICIALS OF THE CITY OF SCRANTON TO TAKE






           19              PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT PROGRAMS (AS


           20              AMENDED) TO BE FUNDED UNDER THE COMMUNITY






           23              EMERGENCY SHELTER GRANT (ESG) PROGRAM", BY


           24              TRANSFERRING $50,000.00 FROM PROJECT NO.


           25              96-204 AND $9,493.80 FROM PROJECT NO. 99-212






            1              AND $88.75 FROM PROJECT NO. 03-005.9 AND


            2              $400.00 FROM PROJECT NO. 05-152 AND $680.59


            3              FROM PROJECT NO. 06-182 AND $49.20 FROM


            4              PROJECT NO. 06-05.12 FOR A TOTAL AMOUNT OF


            5              $60,712.34 TO PROJECT NO. 07-18 TREE


            6              PLANTING PROJECT.


            7                      MR. MCGOFF:  We neglected to do this


            8              at the beginning of the meeting, we do need


            9              to have a temporary chair for public works.


           10                      MS. GATELLI:  No, we don't because


           11              we tabled it.


           12                      MR. MCGOFF: Oh, I'm sorry.


           13                      MS. GATELLI:  We are on "B".


           14                      MR. MCGOFF: Sorry.  What is the


           15              recommendation of the chairperson for the


           16              Committee on Community Development?


           17                      MS. FANUCCI: As chairperson for the


           18              Committee on Community Development, I


           19              recommend final passage of Item 7-B.


           20                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.


           21                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?  Roll


           22              call, please.


           23                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.  Mr.


           24              Courtright.


           25                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Yes.






            1                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.


            2                      MS. FANUCCI:  Yes.


            3                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Gatelli.


            4                      MS. GATELLI: Yes.


            5                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.


            6                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes.  I hereby declare


            7              Item 7-B legally and lawfully adopted.


            8                      MS. GARVEY: 7-C. FOR CONSIDERATION




           10              FOR ADOPTION - RESOLUTION NO. 10. 2008 -


           11              ACCEPTING THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE




           13              ("HARB") AND APPROVING THE CERTIFICATE OF




           15              220 CLARK ROAD, DURYEA, PA FOR INSTALLATION




           17              FACADE, LOCATED AT 321 LACKAWANNA AVENUE.


           18                      MR. MCGOFF: What is the


           19              recommendation of the chairperson for the


           20              Committee on Community Development?


           21                      MS. FANUCCI: As chairperson for the


           22              Committee on Community Development, I


           23              recommend final passage of Item 7-C.


           24                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?  Roll






            1              call.


            2                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.  Mr.


            3              Courtright.


            4                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Yes.


            5                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.


            6                      MS. FANUCCI:  Yes.


            7                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Gatelli.


            8                      MS. GATELLI: Yes.


            9                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.


           10                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes.  I hereby declare


           11              Item 7-C legally and lawfully adopted.


           12                      MS. GARVEY: 7-D. FOR CONSIDERATION


           13              BY THE COMMITTEE ON RULES - FOR ADOPTION -


           14              RESOLUTION NO. 11, 2008 - APPOINTMENT OF


           15              MARY T. GARDIER PATERSON, 1030 PARK STREET,


           16              SCRANTON, PENNSYLVANIA, 18509, TO THE




           18              14, 2008.  MS. PATERSON WILL BE REPLACING


           19              ROBERT B. FARRELL WHO RESIGNED ON JANUARY


           20              11, 2008.


           21                      MR. MCGOFF: As chairperson for the


           22              Committee on Rules, I recommend final


           23              passage of Item 7-D.


           24                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.


           25                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?  Roll






            1              call, please.


            2                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.  Mr.


            3              Courtright.


            4                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Yes.


            5                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.


            6                      MS. FANUCCI:  Yes.


            7                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Gatelli.


            8                      MS. GATELLI: Yes.


            9                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.


           10                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes.  I hereby declare


           11              Item 7-D legally and lawfully adopted.  Once


           12              again, thank you for your participation and


           13              cooperation and I would like to ask for a


           14              motion to adjourn.


           15                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  So moved.


           16                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.


























            2                     C E R T I F I C A T E




            4        I hereby certify that the proceedings and


            5   evidence are contained fully and accurately in the


            6   notes of testimony taken by me at the hearing of the


            7   above-captioned matter and that the foregoing is a true


            8   and correct transcript of the same to the best of my


            9   ability.







                                    CATHENE S. NARDOZZI

           13                       OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER