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            1               SCRANTON CITY COUNCIL MEETING

 

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            5                          HELD:

 

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            7                 Tuesday, February 5, 2008

 

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            9                        LOCATION:

 

           10                    Council Chambers

 

           11                   Scranton City Hall

 

           12              340 North Washington Avenue

 

           13                Scranton, Pennsylvania

 

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                            CATHENE S. NARDOZZI- COURT REPORTER

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            2   CITY OF SCRANTON COUNCIL:

 

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                MR. ROBERT MCGOFF, PRESIDENT

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            6   MS. JUDY GATELLI, VICE-PRESIDENT

 

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                MS. JANET E. EVANS (Not Present)

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            9   MS. SHERRY FANUCCI

 

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                MR. WILLIAM COURTRIGHT

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           12   MS. KAY GARVEY, CITY CLERK

 

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                MR. NEIL COOLICAN, ASSISTANT CITY CLERK

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           15   MR. AMIL MINORA, SOLICITOR

 

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            1                      (Pledge of Allegiance and moment of

 

            2              reflection observed.)

 

            3                      MR. MCGOFF: Roll call, please.

 

            4                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.

 

            5                      (Mrs. Evans not present.)

 

            6                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. Courtright.

 

            7                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Here.

 

            8                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.

 

            9                      MS. FANUCCI:  Here.

 

           10                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Gatelli.

 

           11                      MS. GATELLI: Here.

 

           12                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.

 

           13                      MR. MCGOFF:  Here.  I would like the

 

           14              record to reflect that Mrs. Evans called and

 

           15              said that she would not be in attendance at

 

           16              this evening's meeting.  I'd like to

 

           17              dispense with the reading of the minutes.

 

           18                      MS. GARVEY: THIRD ORDER.  3-A.

 

           19              AGENDA FOR THE ZONING HEARING BOARD MEETING

 

           20              TO BE HELD ON FEBRUARY 13, 2008.

 

           21                      MR. MCGOFF:  Are there any comments?

 

           22              If not, received and filed.

 

           23                      MS. GARVEY: That's it for third

 

           24              order.

 

           25                      MR. MCGOFF: Prior to Fourth Order


 

 

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            1              just a number of items from last week to

 

            2              make note of, we did receive a letter from

 

            3              the city solicitor regarding the Tripp Park

 

            4              development.  The letter does need some

 

            5              clarification and I will look into it and

 

            6              have a response to the letter and to the

 

            7              questions next week.

 

            8                      We also received a letter concerning

 

            9              the Scranton Rescue Mission.  Rather than

 

           10              reading the entire letter, the letter

 

           11              states, and this is from Mark Seitzinger,

 

           12              that the Scranton Rescue Mission was denied

 

           13              by the zoning board to run a place of -- a

 

           14              homeless shelter, that was appealed through

 

           15              a number of courts and finally returned

 

           16              through the Pennsylvania Supreme Court and

 

           17              those lower court orders were upheld and so

 

           18              it was denied a variance to be a homeless

 

           19              shelter, however, on January 10th of 2007,

 

           20              it was granted a certificate of use as a

 

           21              place of worship and Scranton Rescue Mission

 

           22              can use the subject property as a place of

 

           23              worship, but not as a homeless shelter.  If

 

           24              there have been any violations of that I'm

 

           25              sure Mr. Seitzinger will look into it, but


 

 

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            1              that is the status of the Scranton Rescue

 

            2              Mission.  It can operate as a place of

 

            3              worship, but not as a shelter.

 

            4                      Also, on behalf of council a letter

 

            5              was sent to Congressman Kanjorski in support

 

            6              of House Resolution 418, we had done that

 

            7              before to another member of the state

 

            8              legislature and this was sent to Congressman

 

            9              Kanjorski.  It deals with home foreclosures

 

           10              in an attempt to protect homebuyers or

 

           11              homeowners.

 

           12                      Also, last week it was mentioned

 

           13              that wands in order to test wires were

 

           14              requested by the fire department and that

 

           15              they had been denied that request to

 

           16              purchase those.  In speaking with a member

 

           17              the fire department and also with a member

 

           18              of the city administration, in fact, three

 

           19              of those have been ordered and are being

 

           20              purchased or will be purchased by the city

 

           21              for the fire department.

 

           22                      Also, I was told that there was a

 

           23              more extensive type of detection service

 

           24              that they were looking into.  It's been used

 

           25              in some other areas, it's far more technical


 

 

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            1              than that, but they are examining it as to

 

            2              whether or not that would be appropriate for

 

            3              use in Scranton, but the three of these

 

            4              detection wands are being purchased.

 

            5                      Also, we received a letter from the

 

            6              Girl Scout Troop 16.  It says, "I would

 

            7              appreciate if one of you would thank Judy

 

            8              Gatelli for attending Troop 16 meeting,

 

            9              Thursday, January 31.  Judy attended to help

 

           10              our Scouts work on their citizenship and

 

           11              community merit badge.  She was suffering

 

           12              from a cold and took the time to come and

 

           13              meet with our Scouts.  The Scouts were very

 

           14              receptive of her and we would like to thank

 

           15              her for her time and knowledge.  Please

 

           16              thank her and give her the recognition she

 

           17              deserves."

 

           18                      So, on behalf of Troop 16, thank

 

           19              you.

 

           20                      MS. GATELLI:  I had a good time.

 

           21                      MR. MCGOFF: Anyone else

 

           22              announcements?

 

           23                      MS. GATELLI: I just have a couple of

 

           24              things.  I'd like to announce that tomorrow

 

           25              morning at West Scranton High School one of


 

 

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            1              our star football players, Mr. Hubie Graham,

 

            2              I'm sure most of you have read about him in

 

            3              the sports section, he is going to be

 

            4              signing his letter of intent for the

 

            5              University of Illinois.  He received a full

 

            6              athletic scholarship, so we are very proud

 

            7              of him and he will be signing that tomorrow

 

            8              at 9:00.

 

            9                      Also, I was asked to check out a

 

           10              bill this was paid by Mrs. Hubbard for

 

           11              skunks in a certain area of the city.  The

 

           12              city indeed paid for removing of skunks and

 

           13              possums.  And she had a skunk in her

 

           14              neighborhood and was told that she had to

 

           15              pay for it herself as are many other people,

 

           16              several in my particular neighborhood had to

 

           17              pay.  One called me last night she paid $600

 

           18              over the summer to get rid of some skunks in

 

           19              her yard.  When I asked the question about

 

           20              why they were paid for in that particular

 

           21              section, they had gone to the mayor I think

 

           22              at a neighborhood meeting, but I'm not

 

           23              positive because of the construction of the

 

           24              levies and the construction of the new DPW

 

           25              building, it disrupted the area and the


 

 

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            1              skunks, you know, kind of took over and

 

            2              that's why they paid for it because it

 

            3              really was the whole entire neighborhood

 

            4              that suffered from it.  It is unfortunate

 

            5              that the animal control officer does not

 

            6              take care of skunks.  They used to, and I'm

 

            7              not sure of the reason why they won't do it

 

            8              anymore, but I would like to inquire of

 

            9              Mr. McGoff if you might as the president

 

           10              send a letter to the proper person why we

 

           11              don't have someone that does this.  I think

 

           12              it's really becoming a problem citywide and

 

           13              it's quite a lot of money for the residents

 

           14              to have to pay for it if they have a

 

           15              problem.

 

           16                      So, you know, if we can't maybe hire

 

           17              a part-time animal control officer just to

 

           18              do skunks.  Is sounds crazy, but if any of

 

           19              you out there know, you know that they are

 

           20              around.  My neighbor's dog got sprayed by

 

           21              one last week and I told you the other

 

           22              neighbor paid $600, so I'm sure you all have

 

           23              a story.  On Harrison Avenue Joni Rossi

 

           24              called me, there was a nest next door to her

 

           25              and she had to pay, they had to pay, too.  I


 

 

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            1              think they paid about $800, so it's costing

 

            2              quite a bit of money and I think it's

 

            3              incumbent upon the city to get someone to

 

            4              help when the problem has become exacerbated

 

            5              to this degree.

 

            6                      Just two other things, I would like

 

            7              to send a letter to Mr. Seitzinger, there is

 

            8              a property on the 500 of North Everett that

 

            9              has been abandoned for four years.  See if

 

           10              we can board it up, there is people going in

 

           11              and out of there and also on the corner of

 

           12              Eighth and Fellows, it looks like a junk

 

           13              yard.  The neighbors complain about it, I

 

           14              went by it yesterday on the way to work and

 

           15              it really is bad, so if you would just send

 

           16              those two letters, and that's all I have,

 

           17              Mr. McGoff.

 

           18                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.  Citizens

 

           19              participation.  Douglas Miller.

 

           20                      MR. MILLER: Good evening, Council,

 

           21              Douglas Miller, president of the Scranton

 

           22              City Junior Council.  Tonight is a very

 

           23              special night for the junior council.

 

           24              Tonight marks the second anniversary of our

 

           25              council.  I would like to thank Scranton


 

 

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            1              City Council for their support and

 

            2              assistance during this time.  On February 5,

 

            3              2006, I stood before council as the first

 

            4              member appointed to the Scranton Junior City

 

            5              Council.  Two years later we have seen

 

            6              nearly 20 high school students serve on our

 

            7              council.  This council has served as an

 

            8              educational tool for students all across our

 

            9              city.  All of the students that serve on

 

           10              this council have graduated with a better

 

           11              understanding of our city government and

 

           12              community service.  This council will

 

           13              certainly have an impact on our future.

 

           14                   Personally, I have had the opportunity

 

           15              to work closely with members of city council

 

           16              and learn a great deal about our city

 

           17              government.  I have also learned the

 

           18              importance of community service.  For two

 

           19              years I have lead junior council in many

 

           20              projects.  We have conducted numerous park

 

           21              cleanups, which include making repairs to

 

           22              playground equipment, landscaping, the

 

           23              installation of flag poles, park benches and

 

           24              picnic tables.

 

           25                      We have also conducted many


 

 

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            1              fundraisers including a Christmas breakfast

 

            2              held December of 2006 to raise funds to

 

            3              support Channel 61.  Our Light Up the Town

 

            4              campaign raised funds to decorate the South

 

            5              Side Renaissance Center in December of 2007.

 

            6              Our most proud accomplishment was raising

 

            7              $4,000 to purchase a children's handicap

 

            8              accessible swingset for Nay Aug Park.  We

 

            9              greatly appreciate the support from all of

 

           10              those that made donations towards the

 

           11              successful project, including Dunbar

 

           12              Evergreen Landscaping, Incorporated.

 

           13                      Last week I announced that junior

 

           14              council is now raising funds to benefit a

 

           15              police and firefighters' memorial.  We are

 

           16              also working with city officials to have a

 

           17              skate park built in our city.  All of these

 

           18              projects will have a lasting impact on our

 

           19              city and those that serve or who have served

 

           20              on the Scranton Junior City Council.

 

           21              Because of Junior Council, students all

 

           22              across our city have become a more

 

           23              interested and involved in our government.

 

           24                   One year ago a group of high school

 

           25              students from West Scranton High School came


 

 

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            1              before city council and proposed a citywide

 

            2              smoking ban.  These students showed the

 

            3              courage to stand up for what they believe

 

            4              it.

 

            5                      During the remaining six months that

 

            6              I will serve on this council, I will

 

            7              continue to work closely with my fellow

 

            8              classmates, city council members and the

 

            9              residents in this city so that together we

 

           10              can make our future brighter.  I have no

 

           11              doubt that Scranton Junior City Council will

 

           12              continue it's success for many years to

 

           13              come.  Thank you.

 

           14                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Douglas.  Fay

 

           15              Franus.

 

           16                      MS. FRANUS: Fay Franus, Scranton.

 

           17              Mrs. Gatelli, could you possibly add

 

           18              woodchucks to that list, and the reason I

 

           19              say that is -- woodchucks to that list with

 

           20              the skunks?

 

           21                      MS. GATELLI: Oh, sure.

 

           22                      MS. FRANUS: Because woodchucks they

 

           23              are sometimes worse because they dig a hole

 

           24              right near your house, one is living near

 

           25              mine.  What I want to mention now, I


 

 

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            1              normally don't read things that I say, but

 

            2              there is many questions I want to ask and I

 

            3              want to make sure I don't leave anything

 

            4              out, and I will give you a list of questions

 

            5              when I'm ready to leave if that's okay with

 

            6              you?

 

            7                      This is in regard to the fire on

 

            8              Linden Street, January 25, on 317 Linden

 

            9              Street and the buildings that were next to

 

           10              it, this is in regards to that, I'm going to

 

           11              ask some questions.  Under what conditions

 

           12              does our DPW have to enter a private

 

           13              property to remove private belongings?  Do

 

           14              you know the answer to that?

 

           15                      MR. MCGOFF: Specifically, I don't

 

           16              know the answer.  I can tell you why they

 

           17              did it.

 

           18                      MS. FRANUS:  Why did they do it?

 

           19                      MR. MCGOFF: Because there was a need

 

           20              to remove those properties -- to remove

 

           21              property to protect them.

 

           22                      MS. FRANUS:  The Laura Craig

 

           23              Gallery, the paintings.

 

           24                      MR. MCGOFF: Yes, and they were doing

 

           25              a public service.


 

 

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            1                      MS. FRANUS:  Could you show me

 

            2              something in writing that shows that a city

 

            3              department should move private property away

 

            4              from a building?  I mean, could you show me

 

            5              something in writing that says that there

 

            6              was a need?  If there is a need for DPW to

 

            7              remove private property.

 

            8                      MR. MCGOFF: I can't show you in

 

            9              writing, no, but --

 

           10                      MS. FRANUS:  Well, I would like

 

           11              something in writing because this is not

 

           12              right.  There was a need.  Many people have

 

           13              needs, but you don't see the DPW moving --

 

           14              were they at Acker Avenue for the fire and

 

           15              helping those people getting their stuff

 

           16              out?  Were they in lower Greenridge helping

 

           17              people get their furniture removed?  No,

 

           18              they were not.

 

           19                      Jeff Brazil was there, so was Donna

 

           20              Doherty, she was there supervising it looked

 

           21              like, it sort of looked like she was

 

           22              supervising all of the belongings being

 

           23              taken out.  That's fine if Laura Craig wants

 

           24              to take her stuff out, I understand the need

 

           25              and she has every right, but she does not


 

 

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            1              have the right to have DPW workers doing

 

            2              that on our time.  We, the taxpayers are,

 

            3              paying for that service and if they don't do

 

            4              it for all they shouldn't do it for anybody.

 

            5              I mean, suppose I had a problem with my

 

            6              house and I wanted stuff moved could I have

 

            7              the DPW come and help me move with a pickup

 

            8              trucks?  I don't think so.

 

            9                      I want to also ask some other

 

           10              questions.  What if someone from the DPW was

 

           11              hurt that day who would pay for this, the

 

           12              taxpayers?  What if the property from the

 

           13              Laura Craig gallery was damaged, who would

 

           14              be responsible for replacing the property?

 

           15              Does anybody know the answer to that?

 

           16              Nobody knows.  May I ask who authorized the

 

           17              DPW to go there?  Who made the phone call

 

           18              for them to go there?  Does anybody know

 

           19              that?  How did they get involved, does

 

           20              anybody know?

 

           21                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  No.

 

           22                      MS. FRANUS:  Okay.  May I ask, can

 

           23              and will council ask the district attorney

 

           24              to investigate this matter?

 

           25                      MR. MCGOFF: I don't know that the


 

 

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            1              district attorney needs to investigate it.

 

            2                      MS. FRANUS:  Could you ask him to?

 

            3                      MR. MCGOFF: I don't think that there

 

            4              is a need to do that.

 

            5                      MS. FRANUS:  But I do, and I think

 

            6              all of the people in the City of Scranton

 

            7              will feel the same way considering they are

 

            8              paying for this.  Jeff Brazil was supposed

 

            9              to be at work that day not helping a private

 

           10              person remove private property.  It was

 

           11              Friday, it was a workday.  Even if weren't a

 

           12              weekday he has no right to bring public

 

           13              vehicles to help a private citizen remove

 

           14              private property.  Could you tell me what

 

           15              the rule, regulation, policy, law or code

 

           16              that permits the taxpayer funded service to

 

           17              do private work?  But you said before you

 

           18              didn't think there was any.

 

           19                      MR. MCGOFF: I said I don't know of

 

           20              any.

 

           21                      MS. FRANUS: Okay.  Well, the Code of

 

           22              Ethics, let me read a paragraph from the

 

           23              Code of Ethics, Section 704, "Use of public

 

           24              property.  No officer, member or employee of

 

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            1              authority or agency to whom this Code of

 

            2              Ethics applies shall use of any public

 

            3              property for personal benefit or profit in

 

            4              accordance with policies promulgated by the

 

            5              mayor."

 

            6                      Now, I'd just like to give you --

 

            7              I'll give these to you when I'm done, if you

 

            8              don't mind.  So, since I really didn't get

 

            9              any responses that's why I have this letter

 

           10              to give to you all and, you know, you can

 

           11              read it at your leisure.

 

           12                      Billy, I'd like to ask you

 

           13              something, I notice that you are sitting

 

           14              there, you have been sitting in your other

 

           15              seat for five years, at least five years,

 

           16              how is that you got to sit there now?  Could

 

           17              you possibly explain it because I can't

 

           18              understand this?

 

           19                      MS. FRANUS:  That's not five

 

           20              minutes.  There is no way that's five

 

           21              minutes.

 

           22                      MR. MINORA: That's five minutes.

 

           23                      MR. MCGOFF: That's five minutes.

 

           24              Thank you.

 

           25                      MS. FRANUS: Billy, could you please


 

 

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            1              answer that in motions?

 

            2                      MR. MCGOFF: Andy Sbaraglia.

 

            3                      MR. SBARAGLIA: Andy Sbaraglia,

 

            4              citizen of Scranton.  Fellow Scrantonians, I

 

            5              noticed in the legals that the city is

 

            6              currently seeking solicitations for a city

 

            7              engineer.  As of now, we have an acting city

 

            8              engineer I take it and not a qualified city

 

            9              engineer.  7-A, who signed off on this, a

 

           10              city engineer or an acting city engineer?

 

           11                      MR. MCGOFF: In the backup that we

 

           12              received it said that Mr. Parker had been on

 

           13              that project.

 

           14                      MR. SBARAGLIA:  Did you see a

 

           15              signature on the sign off?

 

           16                      MR. MCGOFF: I did not.

 

           17                      MR. SBARAGLIA: Did any of you see a

 

           18              signature on the sign off?  You cannot take

 

           19              the word of the administration.  By now you

 

           20              should have found that out.  You got to make

 

           21              sure if he signed off you could see a

 

           22              signature on there and make sure it was his

 

           23              signature and not an acting signature.

 

           24                   Well, let's get one better.  I seen a

 

           25              letter from the city planning commission


 

 

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            1              okaying this project, okay, they send you a

 

            2              letter, but you have to look at Tripps Park.

 

            3              The planning commission okayed the first

 

            4              phase of that project.  There is no

 

            5              streetlights up there, none at all.  For

 

            6              some reason whether they didn't think they

 

            7              should put streets light in that.  They have

 

            8              retention ponds that are not fenced in where

 

            9              any child could drown.  These things were

 

           10              done by the city planning commission when

 

           11              they okayed plans.  It's obviously somewhere

 

           12              along the line the city planner goofed up on

 

           13              the first phase.  I know you said they

 

           14              corrected it in the second phase.  They are

 

           15              now getting street lights.  You have all of

 

           16              these things in there.

 

           17                      You are currently advertising for a

 

           18              new city engineer.  This project should be

 

           19              held in obeyance until we get the new

 

           20              engineer and he signs off on, not some guy

 

           21              that's off in the world some way.  We need a

 

           22              sign off on this or a man is there where a

 

           23              man is check, his qualifications, everything

 

           24              is okay to par and then that's it.  I mean,

 

           25              there is no reason to rush this project


 

 

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            1              through.  I mean, let's wait until they

 

            2              elect -- that we get a new city engineer,

 

            3              let them go up there and check the project

 

            4              out, and if he finds everything up to par,

 

            5              fine, but I'm putting no faith in the city

 

            6              planner.  His letter don't mean nothing

 

            7              because of that debacle up there in Tripp's

 

            8              Park.  Even a child should have known that

 

            9              them people required street lights and for

 

           10              them to oversee it and the retention ponds

 

           11              without any kind of protection that shows

 

           12              you somewhere along the lines this man

 

           13              lacked the qualifications of actually

 

           14              okaying plans for a new subdivision within

 

           15              the city.

 

           16                      You need better, let's see how the

 

           17              word to put it, any qualified people in here

 

           18              that actually do a lot of these things.  I

 

           19              mean, you can't really build a complex

 

           20              without putting streetlights in other than a

 

           21              private developer, he can do it because he

 

           22              is not required, but when you ask us to take

 

           23              up the slack, I mean, I don't know if they

 

           24              have streetlights up there in that

 

           25              development, I doubt it.  I doubt anything


 

 

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            1              because this man didn't have to do anything,

 

            2              he's a private developer, you own the land.

 

            3                   I don't know about the townhouse, the

 

            4              people own their house, I don't know if they

 

            5              own the surrounding, usually in a townhouse

 

            6              development the people that own the

 

            7              development take care of the lots, cut the

 

            8              grass, take care of the roads and so forth

 

            9              and so on, but you proposed the take over

 

           10              the roads.

 

           11                      Now, I see in the letter saying the

 

           12              sewer has been split, which is a good point.

 

           13              If it hasn't been split that's one of the

 

           14              things that should be.  I don't know how

 

           15              much of that varies with KOZ either.  I know

 

           16              the front part is a KOZ, I don't know if the

 

           17              back part is a KOZ, too, in which case we

 

           18              are not going to get too much money.  The

 

           19              question is how much money are we actually

 

           20              get on that development for us to take over

 

           21              the responsibility for it.  Did all of you

 

           22              be out there?  I ran into it to, but I

 

           23              didn't go down to the tax office to see how

 

           24              much revenue is being generated by this

 

           25              development and that's where you got to go.


 

 

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            1              You got to say the development generates "X"

 

            2              amount of dollars, it's going to take us "X"

 

            3              amount of dollars to take care of that

 

            4              development and if they don't match then

 

            5              say, no.  What is the advantage of the city

 

            6              to take on the liability?  You don't want

 

            7              liability.  Okay.  Thank you.

 

            8                      MR. SANTOSE: Could I answer some of

 

            9              those questions?  I know I'm not signed in,

 

           10              but at the end --

 

           11                      MR. MCGOFF: No. Ozzie Quinn.

 

           12                      MR. QUINN:  Ozzie Quinn, president

 

           13              of the local Taxpayers' Association.

 

           14              Mr. McGoff, two weeks ago I asked

 

           15              Mrs. Gatelli for the CDBG and the surplus

 

           16              UDAG program funds that were back from way

 

           17              back that are still being held and projects

 

           18              weren't approved and never executed and

 

           19              after three months she said that you have

 

           20              them, you are the one now, I followed up

 

           21              with an e-mail, do have you that list?

 

           22                      MR. MCGOFF: I tried to respond to

 

           23              your e-mail, I couldn't respond, that

 

           24              information is available at OECD.

 

           25                      MR. QUINN:  It's available and you


 

 

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            1              are the elected official.  I'm asking you, I

 

            2              want to be transparent about this.

 

            3                      MR. MCGOFF: I'm not being

 

            4              transparent, I'm telling you --

 

            5                      MR. QUINN: I asked OECD several

 

            6              times and they have said to me, no, go to

 

            7              Right to Know, and I don't have $110 to go

 

            8              to the Right to Know every time I want an

 

            9              answer.  Now, if she said that she was going

 

           10              to act in good faith and you aren't then

 

           11              this government is not very transparent.  As

 

           12              a matter of fact --

 

           13                      MR. MCGOFF: I'm answering your

 

           14              question.  In an act of good faith I went to

 

           15              OECD, they said that that information is

 

           16              available to you any time you want it.

 

           17                      MR. QUINN: You are the president of

 

           18              council, you are the one who was elected by

 

           19              our people.  Come on.  Who do you think you

 

           20              are trying to talk to, some Fourth grader

 

           21              some place.

 

           22                      MR. MCGOFF: No, Mr. Quinn, I'm

 

           23              talking to you.

 

           24                      MR. QUINN:  Well, give me a little

 

           25              bit of intelligence, will you?


 

 

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            1                      MR. MCGOFF: And I am.  I'm giving

 

            2              you an answer to your question.

 

            3                      MR. QUINN:  Okay.  On January 16 you

 

            4              received a letter from the director of

 

            5              finance at OECD and he said OECD was

 

            6              informed by HUD that if they did not use the

 

            7              funds, some of which is over ten years old,

 

            8              they were going to lose them, they had the

 

            9              risk of losing them.

 

           10                      Now, here we are the taxpayers, we

 

           11              are seriously in debt and we have money over

 

           12              there in OECD that can be used to us to pay

 

           13              for capital improvements that we are going

 

           14              to have to pay, the taxpayers, that the

 

           15              mayor capital improvements for 2008.  Use a

 

           16              little innovations.  Will you talk to these

 

           17              people or have the mayor?  It's just

 

           18              unbelievable.  We can't afford these taxes.

 

           19              You know what, the school district and with

 

           20              the city and with the county pro rata we are

 

           21              over half a billion dollars in debt, the

 

           22              taxpayers of the City of Scranton and with

 

           23              the population we have, the $31,090 that is

 

           24              the median income we cannot afford it and

 

           25              so, please, start standing up for the


 

 

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            1              people, will you?

 

            2                      I just want it speak something on

 

            3              7-B.  You are going to use 60,000 of that

 

            4              money that I'm asking you for, $60,700 for

 

            5              planting of 1,000 trees in South Side.  Judy

 

            6              Gatelli read a letter last week from Wayne

 

            7              Evans, it doesn't float with me because

 

            8              Wayne Evans is her buddy, you know what I

 

            9              mean, saying that those trees are needed in

 

           10              South Side.  What's needed?  People's

 

           11              infrastructure in the neighborhoods.

 

           12              People's some way to offset their taxes or

 

           13              1,000 trees?  I spoke with the Arbor

 

           14              Foundation and the price of trees goes from

 

           15              $3 to $20, so you could buy 1,000 trees if

 

           16              you use the $20, $20,000, so, come on, what

 

           17              are we going to 60,000, are we paying some

 

           18              contractor something?  We cannot afford it.

 

           19              The Taxpayers' Association knows we can't

 

           20              afford it.

 

           21                      And also, I want to also speak on a

 

           22              fact that we are using this money again and

 

           23              we should be looking at the small business

 

           24              owner and economic development.  I was in a

 

           25              business today where I purchased something


 

 

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            1              and the small business owner was disgusted

 

            2              by the mercantile tax and the business

 

            3              privilege tax and he don't know how he is

 

            4              going to pay, and it's a shame, so I would

 

            5              ask you to try, at least I recommend to you,

 

            6              to do a business retention program

 

            7              throughout the city on small business, never

 

            8              mind corporations, small businesses and see,

 

            9              do a hand-on-hand interview with them, not

 

           10              sending interviews out -- or surveys out and

 

           11              find out the problems why.  Why the store

 

           12              fronts are being left vacant downtown and

 

           13              all through the city.  Our little economic

 

           14              development corners throughout the area of

 

           15              west side, Greenridge, Providence, they are

 

           16              shot, you know, and we have to pay over half

 

           17              a million dollars out of our same pockets.

 

           18                   So, please, listen, do something.

 

           19              Don't just go through what the mayor says,

 

           20              you won't give me anything that's

 

           21              transparent, it's a shame.  It's really a

 

           22              shame and you know I cannot or we cannot

 

           23              afford to go to Right no Know.  Who are you

 

           24              going to stand up for, the taxpayer or the

 

           25              mayor?  It's a shame what you are doing to


 

 

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            1              the people of the City of Scranton and those

 

            2              people who are out there tonight or watching

 

            3              in their homes that are worried about their

 

            4              utilities and whatnot, shame on you.

 

            5                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr. Quinn.

 

            6              Candace McColligan.

 

            7                      MS. MCCOLLIGAN: Candace McColligan,

 

            8              Scranton resident.  It must be a great sense

 

            9              of relief for the mayor not to have to

 

           10              appear here because he knows that his

 

           11              interest, no matter how damaging, are being

 

           12              protected.  To use things like the Recovery

 

           13              Plan to defend himself against specific

 

           14              battles, but completly ignore it, modify it

 

           15              and sweep it under the rug when he has his

 

           16              own agenda.  Once the plan was violated even

 

           17              once for the benefit of the mayor and

 

           18              whatever project or idea he was pursuing it

 

           19              became null and void as far as I'm

 

           20              concerned.  It was no longer what the people

 

           21              had voted for.  You can't use the Recovery

 

           22              Plan as s defense only when it benefits you.

 

           23              You agree to follow it or you find a

 

           24              different solution.  It's time for a

 

           25              different solution.


 

 

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            1                      I am here because I, unlike many, do

 

            2              not have the option of moving out of

 

            3              Scranton to a place where I feel those

 

            4              elected have the proper intentions from the

 

            5              start.  My husband is privileged enough to

 

            6              work for the fire department and that means

 

            7              that Scranton will be on our home for a long

 

            8              time.  Him working for the fire department

 

            9              has forced me to take a real look at the

 

           10              policies and actions of the city government

 

           11              both as they relate to the fire department

 

           12              and effect our family and how they relate to

 

           13              me as a citizen and a taxpayer regardless of

 

           14              the work that he does.

 

           15                      I have to ask myself how I am going

 

           16              to make a Scranton a place that I can

 

           17              happily call home because like it or not I

 

           18              am here for the long haul.  I'm sure that a

 

           19              difference can be some positive changes in

 

           20              this city.  I would hope that you would want

 

           21              to be part of them, too.

 

           22                      Last week I was bothered when Jim

 

           23              Stucker came to the podium to speak.  I have

 

           24              watched these meetings long enough to know

 

           25              that this has been going on for too long.


 

 

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            1              It is reminiscent of a bully on a

 

            2              playground.  Jim is not a pawn in a

 

            3              political game and neither he nor these

 

            4              meetings are meant to be amusing.  The

 

            5              things we ask of this council we must also

 

            6              be willing to give back to them.  If are to

 

            7              be taken seriously then these meetings must

 

            8              also be treated that way.  If we ask for

 

            9              honesty and respect, we must lead by example

 

           10              and show that to one another.  That includes

 

           11              respect for Jim and truly an apology for

 

           12              having been dishonest and unkind to him.  If

 

           13              any one or all of the citizens is

 

           14              responsible for his confusion want to have

 

           15              an impact on council or this city.  I resume

 

           16              to come to these meetings and to make a way

 

           17              in a more meaningful way, to speak to their

 

           18              friends and neighbors about the changes they

 

           19              would like to see take place here and to go

 

           20              involved with your voting and communicating

 

           21              concerns and ideas.

 

           22                        I'm sure there are many things

 

           23              about politics that I have to learn, but

 

           24              what I see generally is that logic is lost

 

           25              here.  I assume each of you has a checkbook


 

 

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            1              to balance and bills that need to be paid

 

            2              each month.  I also assume you each have

 

            3              hobbies that you enjoy and families that you

 

            4              love.  Logically the necessities each month

 

            5              are paid first.  The extras are enjoyed only

 

            6              when there is money left over and above all

 

            7              else family safety is the first priority.

 

            8              Why is it so difficult to see how that logic

 

            9              should be applied to this city?  Do three

 

           10              out of five of you really have the same

 

           11              mentality at home that you allow to be

 

           12              placed here?  I don't believe that you do.

 

           13                   This city should be treated like you

 

           14              would treat your home and your family.  We

 

           15              are all supposed to be in this together and

 

           16              if you were to treat the citizens of

 

           17              Scranton like the intelligence and creative

 

           18              people that they are and provide them with

 

           19              the true facts they could be a part of

 

           20              findings creative solutions to put this city

 

           21              back on it's feet.  You don't give us enough

 

           22              credit.  We are willing to do what is

 

           23              necessary to save the city in which we live,

 

           24              but we can't stand behind smoke and mirrors,

 

           25              lies and deception.  We are the ones paying


 

 

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            1              for what happens in this city so harsh or

 

            2              not give it to us straight.  If most are

 

            3              like me, and I think that they are, they

 

            4              want to know the truth no matter how

 

            5              disconcerting that reality may be and no

 

            6              matter how mad the mayor might get if you

 

            7              tell it to us.

 

            8                      People are passionate when they

 

            9              speak here because they are desperate to

 

           10              stop watching a hole dug deeper and deeper

 

           11              while their pleas are ignored.  Mr. McGoff,

 

           12              would it be so difficult for you to admit

 

           13              that you may have cast some votes that

 

           14              allowed spending that wasn't in the best

 

           15              interest of the citizens who were you

 

           16              elected to represent?  Could you find the

 

           17              courage to simply say, I have made some bad

 

           18              choices, and I'm not perfect, but I'll do

 

           19              all of my power to make a change in this

 

           20              city and to truly show the citizens that do

 

           21              come first?

 

           22                      Miss Fanucci, would be it be

 

           23              impossible for you to respond to

 

           24              Mr. DeSarno, to say, I misspoke and had not

 

           25              done the proper research when I alleged that


 

 

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            1              parks are the first things companies look at

 

            2              when they think to invest here.  To

 

            3              apologize for speaking without facts and vow

 

            4              to the citizens of Scranton that you will

 

            5              put more time and effort into your decisions

 

            6              and votes when it comes to spending the

 

            7              money that the taxpayers place in your

 

            8              hands.

 

            9                      We all make mistakes and that is

 

           10              forgivable, but those mistakes need to be

 

           11              admitted, a lesson needs to be learned and

 

           12              an effort must be made not to repeat the

 

           13              same error twice.  I am sure that each of

 

           14              you has a moral compass that guides you

 

           15              through your personal lives and that you

 

           16              could never let anyone tell you what to do

 

           17              or say when it came to the protection and

 

           18              support of your family and friends.  Perhaps

 

           19              you have forgotten to extend that same

 

           20              resolve to your position here.  Each week

 

           21              you have decisions to make, you and only

 

           22              you, and no one but the taxpayer and citizen

 

           23              within you should be able to tell you what

 

           24              is right.  A trust has certainly been broken

 

           25              between the people and those that were


 

 

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            1              elected to represent them, but you have the

 

            2              power to rebuild that trust and I urge you

 

            3              to come up with the courage to use your

 

            4              votes and your voice to take the first step.

 

            5              Thank you.

 

            6                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mrs.

 

            7              McColligan.  Jean Suetta.

 

            8                      MS. SUETTA:  Jean Suetta, Scranton.

 

            9              That's a tough act to follow.  All right,

 

           10              Judy, you said -- I wasn't going to bring

 

           11              this up about Mrs. Hubbard's skunks, they

 

           12              got taken care of over at Cottage Avenue,

 

           13              blah, blah, blah, because of a flood control

 

           14              and DPW complex, she lives three blocks away

 

           15              from the DPW complex, that has nothing to do

 

           16              with it?.

 

           17                      MS. GATELLI: Apparently not.  I'm

 

           18              only telling you what I was told.

 

           19                      MS. SUETTA:  Yeah.

 

           20                      MS. GATELLI: I'm not condoning it.

 

           21              I think that everyone should be taken care

 

           22              of.

 

           23                      MS. SUETTA:  Bill, over at the Lace

 

           24              Works, they are worried about skunks, we are

 

           25              going to have lions and tigers and bears if


 

 

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            1              they don't clean that up.  I mean, it is

 

            2              overrun.  My one dog got out, I am looking

 

            3              down at the Lace Works, seven skunks came to

 

            4              me.  I didn't --

 

            5                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I believe we sent

 

            6              someone down there though to that place

 

            7              before and then they thought it was done.

 

            8                      MS. SUETTA: They did the corner and

 

            9              stopped and stopped.  You can see around the

 

           10              corner, but there hasn't been another God

 

           11              Damn thing done.  Oops.  But, I got to look

 

           12              at everyday, you don't.

 

           13                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Maybe we can find

 

           14              out who the owner is and ask the owner to do

 

           15              it.  We'll try that.

 

           16                      MS. SUETTA: Yeah.  Mr. McGoff, cell

 

           17              phones, why are you letting Miss Fanucci get

 

           18              text messages during the meetings?  Hit the

 

           19              hammer, tell her she is out of order, leave

 

           20              the room.

 

           21                      MR. MCGOFF: I don't have -- I didn't

 

           22              ask anyone to not use them or I didn't think

 

           23              I have the right to tell someone to not to

 

           24              take a message --

 

           25                      MS. SUETTA: Well, do you think it's


 

 

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            1              proper.

 

            2                      MR. MCGOFF: However, all I asked was

 

            3              that they be turned off during the meeting.

 

            4                      MS. SUETTA: Well, you think it's

 

            5              proper that she is up there getting text

 

            6              messages during the meeting.

 

            7                      MR. MCGOFF: I think that sometimes

 

            8              it may be, yes.

 

            9                      MS. SUETTA: It's proper to get text

 

           10              messages --

 

           11                      MR. MCGOFF: I would say --

 

           12                      MS. SUETTA: While she is up there

 

           13              working for us.

 

           14                      MR. MCGOFF: I'm answering, I'm

 

           15              saying, yes, I think there are times when

 

           16              all of us need to have messages relayed to

 

           17              us.

 

           18                      MS. SUETTA: But do you check them

 

           19              during the meeting?

 

           20                      MR. MCGOFF: Yes.

 

           21                      MS. GATELLI: I have mine right here.

 

           22                      MS. SUETTA:  I don't think it's

 

           23              right.

 

           24                      MR. MCGOFF: Well --

 

           25                      MS. SUETTA:  I mean, you are


 

 

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            1              supposed to give your undivided attention to

 

            2              us not your phone.  And I think Miss Hubbard

 

            3              should be reimbursed because they are

 

            4              flooding down there and we are three blocks

 

            5              away from DPW.  So now what?  Will you move

 

            6              that forward?  She don't even know I'm

 

            7              thinking about this.

 

            8                      MS. GATELLI: I did check.

 

            9                      MS. SUETTA:  Are you checking my

 

           10              time?  Bill, get something done with the

 

           11              Lace Works.

 

           12                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I'll see as council

 

           13              if we can find out who owns it --

 

           14                      MS. SUETTA: Come spring it's going

 

           15              to be terrible.

 

           16                      MR. COURTRIGHT: -- and if we can't

 

           17              put some pressure on them to get it.  It is

 

           18              a mess, I don't deny that.  I've been there

 

           19              several times.

 

           20                      MS. SUETTA:  Now, if I let my yard

 

           21              go like that I would have all of these

 

           22              citations.

 

           23                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Yes, you'd have the

 

           24              zoning guy down there after you.

 

           25                      MS. SUETTA:  Yeah, well, let's get


 

 

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            1              the zoning guy down after them.

 

            2                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I know, and I'm not

 

            3              making light of it, I have gone down there,

 

            4              Jean, many times, I agree 100 percent with

 

            5              you.

 

            6                      MS. SUETTA:  It is --

 

            7                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I'll see what I can

 

            8              do.

 

            9                      MS. SUETTA: When the lions and

 

           10              tigers and bears come I'm coming down to

 

           11              you.

 

           12                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I'm right behind

 

           13              you.  They wouldn't want you.

 

           14                      MS. SUETTA: All right.  Have a good

 

           15              one.

 

           16                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Ms. Suetta.

 

           17              Les Spindler.

 

           18                      MR. SPINDLER: Good evening, Council,

 

           19              Les Spindler.  Two weeks in a row I missed

 

           20              Mrs. Evans, I don't know what's going on.

 

           21              Anyway, I had to ask her something.  Two

 

           22              weeks ago she asked about lines being

 

           23              painted in certain areas and one was at the

 

           24              entrance to the Steamtown Mall and

 

           25              Lackawanna Avenue which I have been asking


 

 

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            1              about for about two years now.  Mr. McGoff,

 

            2              could you add something to that list, if you

 

            3              can?  The corner of Spruce Street and

 

            4              Franklin Avenue that's another corner I have

 

            5              been asking about for about two years now.

 

            6              And Spruce Street shouldn't be three lanes

 

            7              there and people just go wherever they want

 

            8              and it's a dangerous situation.

 

            9                      Next thing, I'm glad to hear that

 

           10              the city is buying that equipment for the

 

           11              firefighters, but it's too bad it took the

 

           12              city being embarrassed by Mrs. Evans saying

 

           13              last week that they wouldn't spend $300 on

 

           14              the equipment and I heard it from a good

 

           15              source that that's what happened, the city

 

           16              was embarrassed about it.  It's a shame

 

           17              that's what it took to have them buy that

 

           18              equipment.

 

           19                      Next thing, to continue with what

 

           20              Mrs. Franus was saying about the fire on

 

           21              Linden Street and the pictures.  As you

 

           22              know, Mr. McGoff, I was there standing right

 

           23              by you and Mr. Courtright and there was no

 

           24              reason for those pictures to be taken out.

 

           25              Assistant Terry Osborne came over to you,


 

 

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            1              Mr. Courtright, and said they are moving

 

            2              pictures, but he said he doesn't know why,

 

            3              there is no way the fire is going to spread

 

            4              to that building and this comes from the

 

            5              assistant chief who I think knows more than

 

            6              Donna Doherty or the owner of the pictures

 

            7              so, take it for what it's worth.

 

            8                      Next thing, also what Ozzie Quinn

 

            9              spoke about, $60,000 for trees.  Isn't there

 

           10              more important stuff that we can spend

 

           11              $60,000 on than trees.  I mean, give me a

 

           12              break.  Where are the priorities in this

 

           13              administration?  This is just ridiculous.

 

           14                   And, lastly, it was mentioned last week

 

           15              about a firefighters' memorial.  That would

 

           16              be a good idea, but I think the firefighters

 

           17              would much rather have a contract than a

 

           18              memorial.  A memorial isn't going to put

 

           19              food on their table, not going to pay their

 

           20              heating bills, not going to pay any other

 

           21              bills they have, so I think rather than put

 

           22              up a memorial let's get these firemen a

 

           23              contract.  Thank you.

 

           24                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr. Spindler.

 

           25              Bill Jackowitz.


 

 

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            1                      MR. JACKOWITZ: Good evening,

 

            2              Mr. President, city council members.

 

            3              Yesterday at 9:30 a.m. yesterday morning I

 

            4              was at the Lackawanna County Courthouse,

 

            5              courthouse number five, for Sam Patilla's

 

            6              preliminary hearing and I must say that

 

            7              justice was served yesterday.  Judge Geroulo

 

            8              stated very clearly there in his -- when

 

            9              he giving his sentencing at the end that he

 

           10              watched that tape over 30 times and that he

 

           11              listened to that tape and did not hear

 

           12              anything that should have been held against

 

           13              Mr. Patilla saying.  Now, Mr. Patilla he

 

           14              actually stated to the judge that he agreed

 

           15              with everything that Sam Patilla said that

 

           16              night from the podium and he said he watched

 

           17              that tape over 30 times and he made the

 

           18              right ruling.  The right ruling was made

 

           19              because there was no crime committed around

 

           20              31 May 2007, what there was politics being

 

           21              played and the judge was smart enough to

 

           22              read between the lines.  Sam Patilla did not

 

           23              ask for this to be plea bargained, the judge

 

           24              and the D.A. wanted it plea bargained

 

           25              because they knew they didn't have a case.


 

 

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            1              I was there.  I witnessed it.  So, anything

 

            2              else you hear is hearsay.  Justice was

 

            3              served yesterday because no crime was

 

            4              committed on 31 May '07 in this city council

 

            5              chambers.  The only crime that was committed

 

            6              that night was political cronyism and bad

 

            7              judgment by a lot of people and Judge

 

            8              Geroulo made that perfectly clear yesterday.

 

            9              He said that everything that Sam said from

 

           10              the podium that night was truthful and

 

           11              accurate because it was.

 

           12                      So, like I said, justice was served

 

           13              yesterday, no doubt about it.  Hopefully we

 

           14              will learn from this and we will not have

 

           15              people arrested for speeding and making

 

           16              First Amendment comments because they are

 

           17              entitled to it.  Sam Patilla stood up there,

 

           18              defended himself without having an attorney

 

           19              and he told the judge he was going to defend

 

           20              himself and he did.  He stood up there like

 

           21              a proud marine because that's what he is a

 

           22              proud marine.  He didn't back down, he

 

           23              didn't whimper, he didn't cry.  He stood up

 

           24              there and he did a service for the citizens

 

           25              of this city.  A service, and he got three


 

 

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            1              months unsupervised probation and go ARD, so

 

            2              if a crime was committed the punishment sure

 

            3              fit the crime because there was no crime

 

            4              committed and I hope city council learned a

 

            5              good lesson from this.

 

            6                      Okay, I'm going to read the

 

            7              statement again and I'm going to read it

 

            8              every week.  "Pennsylvania Taxpayers have a

 

            9              right to know how the Commonwealth spends

 

           10              their hard-earned tax dollars," Governor

 

           11              Rendell said in his statement.  Again, do

 

           12              Scranton taxpayers have the right to know

 

           13              how their taxpayer dollars are spent,

 

           14              Mr. President?

 

           15                      MR. MCGOFF: Absolutely.

 

           16                      MR. JACKOWITZ: Then why are we not

 

           17              being granted that?  Ozzie Quinn just asked

 

           18              for a simple solution for three months, no

 

           19              answer.  Now you can answer, Mr. President.

 

           20                      MR. MCGOFF: The answers are

 

           21              available at any time.  All you have to do

 

           22              is go to the appropriate agency and ask for

 

           23              them.

 

           24                      MR. JACKOWITZ: What happens when you

 

           25              go to the appropriate agency, Mr. President,


 

 

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            1              and you do not get the answer and you are

 

            2              turned away over and over and over again,

 

            3              Mr. President?  What's the answer to that?

 

            4                      MR. MCGOFF: All you have to do is

 

            5              fill out the paperwork, Right to Know, and

 

            6              that information should be given to you.

 

            7                      MR. JACKOWITZ: A key phrase should

 

            8              be.  My question is what if it is not given

 

            9              to you, Mr. President?

 

           10                      MR. MCGOFF: Then I assume that you

 

           11              have a right to go to Court because someone

 

           12              is in violation of the law.

 

           13                      MR. JACKOWITZ: Why should I have to

 

           14              do that when I have five elected officials

 

           15              sitting in front of me who are being paid by

 

           16              me from my taxpayers' dollars.  What is your

 

           17              responsibility in this or do you claim to

 

           18              have no responsibility, Mr. President?

 

           19                      MR. MCGOFF: I do not believe that I

 

           20              have a responsibility to fetch information

 

           21              for you.

 

           22                      MR. JACKOWITZ: What is

 

           23              responsibility as president of the city

 

           24              council then?

 

           25                      MR. MCGOFF: There are numerous


 

 

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            1              things that are involved, but one of them is

 

            2              not --

 

            3                      MR. JACKOWITZ: Give me five.

 

            4                      MR. MCGOFF: One of them is not to

 

            5              find information for you.

 

            6                      MR. JACKOWITZ:  Give me five.

 

            7                      MR. MCGOFF: I'm not going to go

 

            8              through a laundry list for you.

 

            9                      MR. JACKOWITZ: That's because you

 

           10              have none because as far as you are

 

           11              concerned you have no responsibilities

 

           12              except to get your paycheck.

 

           13                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you for your kind

 

           14              words, Mr. Jackowitz.  Pat DeSarno.

 

           15                      MR. DESARNO: Good evening.

 

           16              Mrs. Fanucci, real quick, we are not going

 

           17              to dance too long tonight, I wish you'd heed

 

           18              Mrs. McColligan and just answer my question,

 

           19              I'll ask it one more time for the record for

 

           20              the third time, please cite the source of

 

           21              your statement about parks being the number

 

           22              one thing businesses look for when locating.

 

           23                   Actually, Mr. McGoff, it's our turn.

 

           24              At first blush last week, Mr. McGoff, it

 

           25              seemed as though you were making attempts to


 

 

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            1              answer questions and reply to concerns.

 

            2              Some of those attempts appear to be copouts.

 

            3              You told me he couldn't compel your

 

            4              colleagues to answer or offer opinions.

 

            5              Maybe compel was too strong a word, urge.

 

            6              As president of this body could you urge

 

            7              them not to be so ignorant to the speakers.

 

            8              Could you urge them to make notes maybe

 

            9              about questions on issues brought up at this

 

           10              podium.  Could you then urge them to

 

           11              humorous a little bit with the sum of a

 

           12              small acknowledgment that they were at least

 

           13              listening to us.  It would be an improvement

 

           14              over being totally ignored or being

 

           15              McTiernanized as Mrs. Gatelli has become so

 

           16              fond of doing.

 

           17                      Like it or not, Mr. McGoff, the

 

           18              decorum of the meetings and the comportment

 

           19              of your colleagues is a direct reflection

 

           20              upon you.  Mr. Bolus last week suggested

 

           21              that council get more involved in settling

 

           22              labor contracts.  You responded with this,

 

           23              "I don't see what influence I could have in

 

           24              this those negotiations.  I will certain

 

           25              continue to encourage the mayor and the


 

 

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            1              administration to engage in meaningful

 

            2              negotiations.  If, in fact, there is a place

 

            3              for one of us to be involved I would

 

            4              certainly take the opportunity."

 

            5                      Now, I know that the Home Rule

 

            6              Charter basically forbids council's direct

 

            7              involvement in contracts, but here's how you

 

            8              can take the opportunity to involve,

 

            9              encourage and influence.  Stop saying, yes

 

           10              to Chris Doherty.  You have already blown

 

           11              the opportunity of the budget, must move

 

           12              forward to all band together and tell the

 

           13              mayor that no further pet legislation or pet

 

           14              projects will be rubber stamped until the

 

           15              contracts are wrapped up.  But, I guess

 

           16              that's not what yes men do, is it?

 

           17                      I'll give a little is synopsis of --

 

           18              I'm sorry, I lost my train of thought here.

 

           19              Last week I related a case of a wasteless

 

           20              spending by means of frivolous and fruitless

 

           21              litigation.  I asked all of you as public

 

           22              official and guardians of the taxpayers to

 

           23              opine of what I presented to you.  And I

 

           24              assume as humans there surely has to be a

 

           25              thought process that goes on up there in


 

 

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            1              your minds while I'm speaking and because of

 

            2              your public role I think you should be

 

            3              compelled to comment.

 

            4                      Last week I was forgotten and

 

            5              forgotten, ignored, McTiernaned and,

 

            6              Mr. McGoff, you offered this to me,

 

            7              "Mr. DeSarno, I believe your question had to

 

            8              with frivolous spending.  I don't think

 

            9              there is anyone up here that would say, yes,

 

           10              I approve of frivolous spending.  Certainly

 

           11              the spending of money or the way in which

 

           12              it's spent is a matter of perception as to

 

           13              whether it's frivolous or not."

 

           14                      Here I'll give a synopsis to kind of

 

           15              prove what I sai d last week.  Again, I ask

 

           16              you all reply, and this really is all about

 

           17              frivolous spending, it's about your having

 

           18              to tell the public what you think about

 

           19              issues.  Number one, starting like this,

 

           20              under the direction and advice of Lisa Moran

 

           21              and on the approval of Chris Doherty the

 

           22              Scranton Fire Department and Scranton Police

 

           23              Department had a paycheck stolen from them,

 

           24              that's my perception.

 

           25                      The Scranton Fire Department agrees


 

 

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            1              with Mrs. Moran's asinine unqualified

 

            2              interpretation of the 27 pay period issue.

 

            3                      Number three, Scranton Fire

 

            4              Department wins overwhelmingly with interest

 

            5              after two unsuccessful appeals by the city

 

            6              and the Pennsylvania Labor Relation's Board

 

            7              ruling.

 

            8                      Number four, during that process a

 

            9              gentleman's agreement is struck along with

 

           10              the Fraternal Order of Police to enjoin the

 

           11              Scranton Fire Department's grievance.

 

           12                      Number five, Chris Doherty has a

 

           13              hissy fit over the Scranton Fire

 

           14              Department's final outcome, FOP has his

 

           15              fingers crossed behind his back and forces

 

           16              them to start the process, the exact same

 

           17              process all over again.

 

           18                      Number six, lawyers make a ton of

 

           19              taxpayer money all over again for fighting a

 

           20              losing battle.

 

           21                      Number seven, this strong ruling

 

           22              comes down.  The arbitrator found that the

 

           23              city acted in bad faith by persisting in the

 

           24              litigation of this matter after the June 4,

 

           25              2007, a date one month after the date of the


 

 

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            1              PLRB order in the firefighters' case.  By

 

            2              that date the city should have reasonably

 

            3              been able to digest the sum of the decisions

 

            4              of the PRLB and the Courts and should have

 

            5              known that it had no likelihood of

 

            6              prevailing in the instant case.

 

            7                      He further went onto say, in

 

            8              accordance with the contact I'm directing

 

            9              the city to pay all fees and expenses

 

           10              incurred by the union in the preparation and

 

           11              presentation of it's case including

 

           12              reasonable attorney's fees as provided by

 

           13              Article 20, Section 9 of the agreement,

 

           14              until such time as actually compliance with

 

           15              this board has been achieved.

 

           16                      Well, you know what I'm getting at.

 

           17              Mr. McGoff, I'd like to know what your

 

           18              perception is of all of this.  I can't stick

 

           19              around, I gotta go home, my new grandson

 

           20              just dropped into this world.

 

           21                      MR. MCGOFF: Congratulations.

 

           22                      MR. DESARNO: Miss Fanucci, see you

 

           23              next Tuesday.

 

           24                      MS. FANUCCI: We'll see you next

 

           25              Tuesday, also.


 

 

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            1                      MR. DESARNO: I'll see you next

 

            2              Tuesday.

 

            3                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr. DeSarno.

 

            4              Tom Ungvarsky.

 

            5                      MR. UNGVARSKY: Good evening, city

 

            6              council, I'm Tom Ungvarsky and I'm a member

 

            7              of the Scranton/Lackawanna County Taxpayers.

 

            8              Last Saturday -- strike that, please.  A

 

            9              week ago last Saturday a gentleman

 

           10              approached me and told me that his

 

           11              85-year-old, middle 80's mother who is ill

 

           12              had her house sold for back taxes.  She did

 

           13              not recollect receiving any letters or

 

           14              registered letters stating that the house

 

           15              would be sold.  I told him at that time that

 

           16              I would look in it.  He told me that some

 

           17              man from Jim Thorpe bought the house, paid

 

           18              $3,000 for it and wanted to sell it back for

 

           19              $15,000.  While they were talking the

 

           20              gentleman, excuse the expression, the man

 

           21              offered to sell it back for 11,000.  I told

 

           22              him I would look in it and talk to some

 

           23              people and try to find something out about

 

           24              it.  I got back to him last Wednesday and he

 

           25              told me it's moot that he had bought the


 

 

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            1              house back for $6,000 for his mother.

 

            2                      This is what's happening here in

 

            3              this city.  This may be part of the law that

 

            4              you passed.  It is a shame an 85-year-old

 

            5              woman has to lose her house.  I don't know

 

            6              what your intentions are about repeal that,

 

            7              but I think you better look in it.

 

            8                      MR. MCGOFF: May I clarify something,

 

            9              Mr. Ungvarsky?

 

           10                      MR. UNGVARSKY: Sure.

 

           11                      MR. MCGOFF: I don't want to take

 

           12              your time.  At this point in time no houses

 

           13              have been sold by the city.

 

           14                      MR. UNGVARSKY: I have the name and

 

           15              address of the person if you would like to

 

           16              talk to him.

 

           17                      MR. MCGOFF: It may have been through

 

           18              the county, but nothing has been done

 

           19              through the city.

 

           20                      MR. UNGVARSKY: Well, it is a house

 

           21              here in the city.

 

           22                      MR. MCGOFF: Well, I'm just saying

 

           23              that as far as the city is concerned no

 

           24              houses have been sold for delinquent taxes

 

           25              by the City of Scranton.


 

 

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            1                      MR. UNGVARSKY: I do understand that

 

            2              it was through the county, however, this is

 

            3              what's happening here and there is no reason

 

            4              for a woman in her 80's who has lived in the

 

            5              house the way I understand it for upwards of

 

            6              30 years to lose the house and I wouldn't

 

            7              doubt that will probably be happening more

 

            8              and more.

 

            9                      On another subject, Mrs. Gatelli,

 

           10              last year when you were president you said

 

           11              that, this is concerning Attorney Grecco who

 

           12              I understand has been retained for another

 

           13              year, last year I believe you stated that he

 

           14              would not get over $100,000 no matter what

 

           15              his bill was.  Do you know how much his bill

 

           16              was for last year?

 

           17                      MS. GATELLI: Yeah, we get a thing

 

           18              from Roseann Novembrino and from what I got

 

           19              he didn't get over $100,000.

 

           20                      MR. UNGVARSKY: That's fine, that's

 

           21              great, because the year before he got

 

           22              $130,000.  Do you know what his fee will be

 

           23              for this year?

 

           24                      MS. GATELLI: The same as last year.

 

           25                      MR. UNGVARSKY: A $100,000?


 

 

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            1                      MS. GATELLI: I think it's $100 an

 

            2              hour.

 

            3                      MR. UNGVARSKY: Would you look into

 

            4              it and make sure he doesn't get more than

 

            5              that?

 

            6                      MS. GATELLI: Absolutely.  She sends

 

            7              me a report once a month.  She still

 

            8              continues to send me that.

 

            9                      MR. UNGVARSKY: I thank you.

 

           10                      MS. GATELLI:  I will share it with

 

           11              you if you would like.

 

           12                      MR. UNGVARSKY:  Yes, would you,

 

           13              please?

 

           14                      MS. GATELLI: Sure.

 

           15                      MS. BUNGARUS: Mrs. Fanucci, did you

 

           16              check into SECCA?

 

           17                      MS. FANUCCI: I did check into SECCA,

 

           18              I did not get a report, they were sending me

 

           19              supposedly a report on whether or not they

 

           20              are coming or not.  It's supposed to be

 

           21              official and in writing and I should be

 

           22              getting that next week because was it last

 

           23              week that they put the official word in or

 

           24              maybe two weeks so I'm sure it will come

 

           25              shortly.  As soon as I do I certain will


 

 

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            1              tell you.

 

            2                      MR. UNGVARSKY: All right.  Thank you

 

            3              for looking into it, I hope we do get an

 

            4              answer for that.

 

            5                      MS. FANUCCI: I would like to see

 

            6              them here, too.

 

            7                      MR. UNGVARSKY: Thank you.

 

            8                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you,

 

            9              Mr. Ungvarsky.  Charlie Newcomb.

 

           10                      MR. NEWCOMB: Good evening, Council.

 

           11              Just a little bit on what Mr. Jackowitz hs

 

           12              said, I just hope we all definitely can move

 

           13              on here and move forward and all I could say

 

           14              is we just -- everybody has their own

 

           15              opinion, we could read this morning's paper

 

           16              and take our opinion on what we believe

 

           17              happened yesterday.

 

           18                      Mr. Courtright, I am just going to

 

           19              I'm going to touch on something here, I've

 

           20              only got five minutes, so you know in the

 

           21              city how we have pensions, I just want to

 

           22              clear up something on what happens here.  In

 

           23              the city we have pensions, like, let's say

 

           24              our clerical workers they get a pension of

 

           25              $700, I'm just using that for a figure, they


 

 

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            1              get $700 for their pension.  I call them ROR

 

            2              pensions.  What that means is rate of return

 

            3              which means you have so much money invested,

 

            4              whether it goes into a stock market or

 

            5              whatever and then when it's time to retire

 

            6              you sell it back basically like an annuity

 

            7              and you get a certain amount for the rest of

 

            8              your life, that's what I call an ROR

 

            9              pension.  I just want to touch on it a

 

           10              little bit here.  In the mayor's budget, and

 

           11              believe me you know as well as I do I'm

 

           12              pro-union as I could get, but what I'm

 

           13              trying to get the point is you have to look

 

           14              at how it's fair on both sides.  In the

 

           15              mayor's budget the police chief and the fire

 

           16              chief were given an extra -- or, I'm sorry,

 

           17              were given a $13,000 raise.

 

           18                      Well, I don't know if you knew or

 

           19              you didn't know or people out there don't

 

           20              know, but I just want to make something very

 

           21              clear.  The way that that states every

 

           22              police chief that's alive in the City of

 

           23              Scranton today is going to get half of that

 

           24              $13,000 which means I believe we have five

 

           25              chiefs left, they are entitled to $6,500 a


 

 

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            1              piece.  That $13,000 raise for the police

 

            2              cost $45,500.  I know a lot of this money is

 

            3              he paid out of the pension fund, but the

 

            4              pension fund obviously is paid by taxpayers'

 

            5              money.  That comes out to $541 per month

 

            6              extra in their pensions which, that's fine,

 

            7              but fire chiefs.  I believe there is three

 

            8              of them, when I'm saying three I mean three

 

            9              that are retired and including Mr. Davis and

 

           10              then the five that I said, also

 

           11              Mr. Elliott's was $13,000, the three chiefs

 

           12              that would be alive entitled to this, their

 

           13              raise, half of it, it comes out to $19,500.

 

           14              Along with Chief Davis' $13,000 that's

 

           15              $32,500, those two quote/unquote raises,

 

           16              whatever you call them cost for $26,000 cost

 

           17              $78,000 for two $13,000 raises or $541 a

 

           18              month in somebody's pension.

 

           19                      Now, my point is, what that means is

 

           20              these people that are retired, which is

 

           21              fine, got half of this money, but didn't do

 

           22              anything for all of the people that are

 

           23              retired otherwise or the ones that are

 

           24              active right now.  So when it comes in front

 

           25              of you guys for a contract or something what


 

 

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            1              you have to make clear is if there is

 

            2              bonuses in these contracts, I'll just make a

 

            3              figure, a $2,000 bonus, these retirees

 

            4              aren't allowed $1,000, they aren't offered

 

            5              it, the only time that retires that are out

 

            6              there will get it is when it's a

 

            7              quote/unquote a raise, so I just didn't know

 

            8              if you guys knew that when you voted.

 

            9                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I certainly knew it,

 

           10              I hope they knew it, they voted for it.

 

           11              When we had caucus here I brought it up, all

 

           12              three of these people right here were in

 

           13              favor of the raises, I don't know if they

 

           14              did their homework or didn't their homework.

 

           15              In addition to what you said, the widows get

 

           16              25 percent of past firefighters and police

 

           17              officers.  I have the exact figures for you,

 

           18              I don't have them with me, but if I would

 

           19              like I could give you the exact figures of

 

           20              what they are going to cost, so those

 

           21              $13,000 raises we'll be paying for a long,

 

           22              long time.

 

           23                      MR. NEWCOMB: A long time.  Like I

 

           24              said, just the one instance with the 213,

 

           25              with the one shot deal it's $78,000, you


 

 

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            1              know, I mean, I understand why it was done,

 

            2              you know, the argument I see is why it

 

            3              happened, but I mean when you vote on these

 

            4              things you just have to look at it's not --

 

            5              it wasn't just $13,000 each one shot deal

 

            6              when you are done it was $13,000 and then

 

            7              have you to take half of that which is

 

            8              $6,500.  So, I mean, there is some people

 

            9              out there that haven't had a raise in

 

           10              six years which I believe is definitely a a

 

           11              shame, something should be done there, and

 

           12              you have some retired five chiefs of police

 

           13              and three firechiefs which just got an

 

           14              instant $541 more a month in their pension

 

           15              what it comes out to.

 

           16                      So, I just hope when these things do

 

           17              come in front of you, ladies and gentlemen

 

           18              of the jury, that you could look to make it

 

           19              fair for everyone when you go to vote

 

           20              because if it comes in front of you with

 

           21              bonuses, you are leaving the retirees right

 

           22              out because they are not entitled to the

 

           23              bonuses, but if the mayor said, and I'm just

 

           24              going to use a figures the raise let's say

 

           25              for two years is 8,000 or I'm sorry, 8


 

 

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            1              percent, then that means every retiree,

 

            2              regardless of rank, just the retired ones

 

            3              out there they would be get 4 percent, but

 

            4              in this case he specified a rank which was

 

            5              chief.  Now, if he came out tomorrow and

 

            6              said I believe all the lieutenants I'm going

 

            7              to give them a $2,000 raise, well, then that

 

            8              means every lieutenant in the City of

 

            9              Scranton that was alive according to my

 

           10              union experience should be entitled to

 

           11              $1,000, so you just have to understand the

 

           12              way that that the ranking goes so that's how

 

           13              much it costs for those raises.  Thanks.

 

           14                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr. Newcomb.

 

           15              Dave Dobson.

 

           16                      MR. DOBSON: Good evening, Council,

 

           17              Dave Dobson, resident of Scranton,

 

           18              Taxpayers' Association associate.  On this

 

           19              skunk business once again I do a lot of

 

           20              walking for health reasons around town and

 

           21              what I see is the condition where, and it's

 

           22              contributing to litter, people do not invest

 

           23              in 32 gallon garbage cans and the trash gets

 

           24              drug around and that's what's attracting

 

           25              these animals, so we can hire some poor


 

 

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            1              person for a smelly job forever chasing

 

            2              skunks around and it never solves the

 

            3              problem until people start putting their

 

            4              trash out properly instead of just tossing

 

            5              the bag out in the back of their house to be

 

            6              torn apart.

 

            7                      Also, on junk cars, they are at a

 

            8              premium right now.  The Chinese prefer our

 

            9              trash to our dollars so they are paying

 

           10              bonus prices for junk cars.  If you have a

 

           11              junk car in your yard and a title you can

 

           12              get about double or triple right now of what

 

           13              it used to worth a couple of months ago.

 

           14                      On this development on what is it,

 

           15              7-A, there is no reason to object to that

 

           16              other than is everything proper, are the

 

           17              sewer lines separated and so forth, but it's

 

           18              really important that it does get looked

 

           19              over properly.

 

           20                      And on the fire department, also,

 

           21              it's been mentioned in the past 38 people

 

           22              possibly their employment suspended, I have

 

           23              a question you probably can't answer it, but

 

           24              you could research it, how does that affect

 

           25              fire insurance, would the rates skyrocket


 

 

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            1              after a couple of months or years if there

 

            2              is some kind of tragedy and problems with

 

            3              houses incurring heavy losses?

 

            4                      So, one other consideration I'd like

 

            5              to mention is when Mrs. Evans gets back, I

 

            6              hoped she would be here tonight, possibly

 

            7              reconsider some of her suggestions on that

 

            8              tax collections.  It's ungodly to pay 5 to

 

            9              $600 for an $80 tax bill, it's just ungodly.

 

           10              I don't know how you could solve the

 

           11              absentee landlord's scoffing at you, but

 

           12              citizens just get caught up in it and I go

 

           13              back over a bill that was mailed to the

 

           14              wrong address for two years, it was Mr.

 

           15              Cobly, to this day I have a bad credit

 

           16              rating or a diminished credit rating, not a

 

           17              bad one, but the agency that doesn't know

 

           18              about it rates me at upper 20 percent of

 

           19              creditworthiness and the agency that it was

 

           20              reported to by NCC after they mailed the

 

           21              bill to the wrong address for two years

 

           22              never once mailing it to the address that it

 

           23              involved, so even if I was a landlord maybe

 

           24              a tenant would have notified me or something

 

           25              which I lived there for the two years and


 

 

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            1              I'm at 40 percent creditworthiness through

 

            2              those agencies, so we really need to

 

            3              consider who we are working with and I don't

 

            4              understand why this can't be done in-house.

 

            5              It would employ more people in our city

 

            6              government and they could be a little kinder

 

            7              and gentler instead of arrogant, that's all

 

            8              I got when I went down there.  I'm going to

 

            9              do down there again to try and get them to

 

           10              rescind that, but who knows whether I'll be

 

           11              successful.

 

           12                      And one last thing, last week I

 

           13              mentioned in Afghanistan a man was sentenced

 

           14              to be beheaded for teaching a college

 

           15              course.  I don't have his name with me

 

           16              tonight, I had it last week, but if anybody

 

           17              out there is concerned please contact your

 

           18              national representatives, Mr. Kanjorski and

 

           19              Mr. Casey, and try to get this person what

 

           20              do you call it, refugee status.  That's what

 

           21              I mentioned today, I called both

 

           22              Congressmen.  I'm very concerned about this

 

           23              because apparently the Afghan constitution

 

           24              is nothing about a theocratic statement

 

           25              except in Shareed is the law and it's really


 

 

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            1              a shame because it's a shame and it's a

 

            2              black market this country's record to allow

 

            3              somebody to after what they did to us on

 

            4              9/11 to institute the same old, same old

 

            5              that brought this about.

 

            6                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr. Dobson.

 

            7                      MR. DOBSON: Thank you.

 

            8                      MR. MCGOFF: Marie Schumacher.

 

            9                      MS. SCHUMACHER: Marie Schumacher,

 

           10              resident and member of the Lackawanna County

 

           11              Taxpayers' Association.  First I'd like to

 

           12              state my opposition to the South Side tree

 

           13              planting because I love trees and I fear

 

           14              they will be planted and places that will

 

           15              ensure their death.  The root system of a

 

           16              tree needs the proper amount air and water

 

           17              to maintain satisfactory growth.  Trees

 

           18              growing near the streets, driveways and

 

           19              sidewalks or parking lots can be described

 

           20              as growing in an asphalt jungle.  Trees

 

           21              planted in such public areas almost

 

           22              guarantees the trees will not receive

 

           23              adequate amounts of air and water to the

 

           24              root system.  Trees with limited root space

 

           25              need to be watered during droughts, aerated


 

 

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            1              or vertically mulched and fertilized.  Is

 

            2              the city prepared to provide these needs?  I

 

            3              think not.

 

            4                      Well, a sampling may look healthy

 

            5              for a short time, as soon as it matures to

 

            6              the point where the drip line is no longer

 

            7              oversoiled the tree will suffer.  Trees need

 

            8              to be fertilized and pruned.  Is the city

 

            9              prepared to provide these needs?  I think

 

           10              not.  Should a tree planted between curb and

 

           11              sidewalks survive, it's roots will

 

           12              eventually disturb the sidewalks and create

 

           13              unsafe walking conditions.  If you don't

 

           14              believe that you can go to the 800 block of

 

           15              Prospect Avenue and see what the tree roots

 

           16              have done to the sidewalks on the even side

 

           17              of the street.  As I said, I love trees.

 

           18              Please don't condemn 1,000 trees to death by

 

           19              passing this ordinance.

 

           20                      Now, I would like to comment on the

 

           21              Draconian penalties assessed on delinquent

 

           22              property taxes.  According to the

 

           23              unofficials minutes of last Tuesday's

 

           24              meetings posted on the Doherty Deceit

 

           25              website, Mrs. Gatelli is recorded as saying,


 

 

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            1              "I don't want landlords to get away with not

 

            2              paying city tax when they are paying county

 

            3              and school district because they are going

 

            4              to go to sherif's sale and we are not.  I

 

            5              find that interesting as I made a trip to

 

            6              the single tax office and inquired about the

 

            7              procedure for paying the school tax prior to

 

            8              the city tax.  I was informed that that was

 

            9              impossible as state law prohibited splitting

 

           10              the city and school tax.  Any payment made

 

           11              less than a total will be prorated.

 

           12                      Back to OECD, are perforated

 

           13              projects intentionally not aged so as to

 

           14              provide a de facto slush fund for projects

 

           15              for which no formal request has been made?

 

           16              It certainly seems that way.  Each year

 

           17              there are requests for projects that fall

 

           18              below the funding threshold.  Would it not

 

           19              be fairer to prioritize these unfunded

 

           20              requests and fund them as funds become

 

           21              available instead of projects that appear

 

           22              out of the blue?

 

           23                      I would also like to comment that

 

           24              there is no street sign at the corner of

 

           25              Washburn and Main.  If it wasn't for that


 

 

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            1              hideous-colored building I would probably

 

            2              pass by it all the time and there are

 

            3              businesses on Washburn that I'm sure would

 

            4              like to have people know where to turn.

 

            5                   Also, if there is an ordinance

 

            6              requiring numbers on homes I would like to

 

            7              know why it is not being enforced and if

 

            8              there is not an ordinance why there is not

 

            9              an ordinance.  I would certainly think

 

           10              people would want that displayed in case

 

           11              they need an emergency services at their

 

           12              home, but there is certainly a lot that

 

           13              don't meet the requirements.  If we have

 

           14              decent curbs in the city it could be put on

 

           15              the curbs as it is in many other

 

           16              jurisdictions, but certainly not in

 

           17              Scranton.

 

           18                      I would like to publically commend

 

           19              the dentist that sold his 201 Jefferson

 

           20              Avenue property to Boccardo jewelry and kept

 

           21              the property on the tax rolls and did not

 

           22              sell it to a nonprofit or government that

 

           23              would not be paying property taxes.  I think

 

           24              he is to be publically commended for that

 

           25              action.  That concludes my comments for


 

 

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            1              tonight.  Thank you.

 

            2                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mrs.

 

            3              Schumacher.  That is the end of the sign-in

 

            4              list.  If there any other speakers.

 

            5                      MR. PATILLA:  Good evening, Mr.

 

            6              Courtright.  Sam Patilla, Scranton resident,

 

            7              Scranton taxpayer, homeowner, businessman,

 

            8              member of Scranton/Lackawanna County

 

            9              Taxpayers' Association.

 

           10                      I just want to thank Mr. Jackowitz

 

           11              for the kind words.  The citizens won

 

           12              yesterday, not me.  The honest taxpayers,

 

           13              the honest senior citizens, the honest

 

           14              residents, the honest children, they won

 

           15              yesterday.  And for everybody else it

 

           16              doesn't matter what they think and what they

 

           17              believe.  You know, I have a woman at home,

 

           18              she is probably watching this show right

 

           19              now, so as far I'm concerned they can get a

 

           20              life because they weren't in the judge, ADA

 

           21              or myself and it's just speculation and

 

           22              hearsay, we know what went down.

 

           23                      Last week I started to talk about

 

           24              blight and I want to continue that because

 

           25              as far as I'm concerned $250,000 given to a


 

 

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            1              beauty parlor when we have had scores of

 

            2              small businesses close down and shutter

 

            3              their doors recently when that money could

 

            4              have been divvied up as I suggested and

 

            5              other suggested prior, the prior council

 

            6              meetings, could have possibly kept these

 

            7              buildings open for a little bit longer until

 

            8              they got back on their feet, but the

 

            9              one-sidedness that this administration is

 

           10              going down doesn't want to see a citizen

 

           11              succeed, doesn't want to see a business

 

           12              succeed, doesn't want an American to pursue

 

           13              their American dream, their happiness.

 

           14                      You know, it doesn't make any sense

 

           15              that, you know, people come to this podium

 

           16              seeking redress and they are told that, you

 

           17              know, it's not my job or I don't think I

 

           18              should do this or you can do this or you can

 

           19              could that.  You know, you are elected

 

           20              officials and as such you represent the

 

           21              people.

 

           22                      Now, like I said many times, you

 

           23              don't represent the mayor.  You don't

 

           24              represent city council.  You don't represent

 

           25              elected officials or appointed officials,


 

 

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            1              you represent the people who reside in that

 

            2              municipality, who reside in that county, who

 

            3              reside in this country.

 

            4                      This is America, all right?  Our

 

            5              forefathers broke away from England because

 

            6              of the same garbage that's going on right

 

            7              now.  The over taxation.  It's time for this

 

            8              garbage to stop, all right?  I've lived in

 

            9              Scranton for 18 months, 18 months.

 

           10              Two blocks from my home there is a blighted

 

           11              lot that hasn't -- is city-owned and hasn't

 

           12              been taken care of in 18 months.  If you

 

           13              went to take $60,000 of taxpayers' money to

 

           14              plant trees that are going to be negligent,

 

           15              and it's going to turn into the other

 

           16              blighted lots like the one down the street

 

           17              from my home, like the ones line here.  Like

 

           18              the ones that line Pittston Avenue.  Like

 

           19              the ones in West Scranton and North Scranton

 

           20              and East Scranton, all right?  It's time for

 

           21              the nonsense to stop, you know.  There will

 

           22              come a time when you will have to answer for

 

           23              this.  You know, I had a kid ask me he said,

 

           24              "Why don't you celebrate Martin Luther King

 

           25              Day."


 

 

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            1                      I said, "Because we are not finished

 

            2              yet."

 

            3                      You know, all of the positive steps

 

            4              we have taken into the 40's, the 50's, the

 

            5              60's and the 70's, we have taken 50 -- we

 

            6              have regressed 50 steps in the 80's and 90's

 

            7              and we have regressed 100 here in 2000.  If

 

            8              you look at Bush's administration it

 

            9              mirror's Fast Eddy's administration.  If you

 

           10              view Rendell's administration it mirrors

 

           11              Doherty's administration, all right?

 

           12                      Bush has sold us out to China,

 

           13              borrow their money, now we can't get out of

 

           14              the trade agreement with them for the bulk

 

           15              of the defective goods and services that we

 

           16              receive from them.  The same thing with

 

           17              Rendell's administration, all right?  He has

 

           18              catered to corporate America, we can't get

 

           19              out from under that.  You come done to the

 

           20              city level, Doherty has catered to the

 

           21              select elite few, something between select

 

           22              and elite few, and the citizens are

 

           23              suffering because of that.  You know, you

 

           24              people weren't put there to take care of a

 

           25              mayor and his wishes or a political


 

 

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            1              appointee or this person or that person, you

 

            2              are there to represent a city as a whole not

 

            3              as an individual.  You are here to represent

 

            4              the people, all right?  And like I said,

 

            5              yesterday was one small pebble in that wall

 

            6              crumbling, and every pebble that we take

 

            7              from that wall will eventually lead to the

 

            8              total collapse of that wall because you have

 

            9              to go back to your roots.  Your roots.

 

           10              That's our problem, people forget where they

 

           11              came from.  They forget who they are.  They

 

           12              forget the suffering and the pain that their

 

           13              ancestors went through to get away from this

 

           14              vindictive and malicious degrading of

 

           15              individuals.  Maybe I should open up an

 

           16              NAACP in South Scranton, take away from the

 

           17              tree planting.

 

           18                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr. Patilla.

 

           19                      MR. SANTOSE: Thank you.  Good

 

           20              evening council members, associates and

 

           21              audience.  My name is Jim Santose, I'm the

 

           22              owner of Park Edge Development.  I want to

 

           23              shed some light on proposal 7-A.  First I

 

           24              want to apologize for not signing in because

 

           25              I didn't think it was necessary to speak


 

 

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            1              especially after a letter was written by Don

 

            2              King on this matter proposing the acceptance

 

            3              of the resolution.  Does everybody have a

 

            4              copy of that letter?

 

            5                      MR. MCGOFF: Yes, sir.

 

            6                      MR. SANTOSE: Now, if you notice at

 

            7              the bottom of the letter it has like five

 

            8              people where he sent the copies to.  One of

 

            9              them was to the city engineer that was

 

           10              referred to tonight.  Did we get any

 

           11              response from anybody on that letter

 

           12              negative, positive?  I guess not.

 

           13                      MS. GARVEY: No, we didn't.

 

           14                      MR. SANTOSE:  Thank you.  This

 

           15              project was designed by CECCO Associates.

 

           16              As you know, it's one of the finest

 

           17              engineering firms in the area, and I want to

 

           18              go back to this letter as written by Don

 

           19              King.  If you can't trust Don King who can

 

           20              you trust?  This is the way I look at it,

 

           21              but there was some issues raised tonight and

 

           22              I'd like to just again shed some light on

 

           23              it.

 

           24                      First of all, shed some light on the

 

           25              streetlights.  The issue of the streetlights


 

 

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            1              is there were several attempts made to make

 

            2              a petition and go around the neighborhood

 

            3              for people to sign for a streetlight.  They

 

            4              rejected them.  People do not want

 

            5              streetlights.  For some reasons unknown to

 

            6              me, maybe some of the lights would shine in

 

            7              the living room, bedrooms, who knows, they

 

            8              did not want any streetlights.  That's why

 

            9              the streetlights are not there.  There is no

 

           10              cost to me for the developer, it's between

 

           11              the city and the PPL that make an agreement

 

           12              to have the streetlights.  Therefore, there

 

           13              was no reason for me not to pursue or reason

 

           14              for me to negligent proposing the

 

           15              streetlight.

 

           16                      Then there was an issue about the I

 

           17              call it the detention pond, some people call

 

           18              it a retention pond, in this case it's a

 

           19              detention, water stays there for just a few

 

           20              hours or whatever the time that it's

 

           21              designed.  Most of the detention, there is

 

           22              about three detention ponds in the

 

           23              development, all of those three belong to

 

           24              the Townhome Association.  They pay the fees

 

           25              and they then take care of them through the


 

 

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            1              fee process.  Before a building would go up

 

            2              there was a proposal as to what this

 

            3              detention pond would look that and then take

 

            4              it to the city and it would go through

 

            5              approval and then we would start

 

            6              construction.  Before the building is

 

            7              constructed the detention pond has to be --

 

            8              has to be inspected, excuse me, I couldn't

 

            9              think of the word, inspected, approved, then

 

           10              the building starts, so all of the detention

 

           11              ponds are preapproved before the buildings

 

           12              can go up and, again, they are maintained by

 

           13              the association.

 

           14                      Now, last week it was suggested that

 

           15              this development has been there for ten some

 

           16              years what took him so long to come up with

 

           17              the request for resolution.  Tonight is the

 

           18              opposite, let's take more time to get the

 

           19              resolution through.  I mean, which way --

 

           20              where are we going, you know, the same

 

           21              person recommended both issues.

 

           22                      Also, I want to make clear that the

 

           23              front part is townhomes, however, it's not

 

           24              KOZ, just for the record I want to clear

 

           25              this issue.  It's the other development


 

 

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            1              that's KOZ, not this one, Keyser Terrace.

 

            2              With that I'm finished expect for the fact

 

            3              that if anybody have any questions from the

 

            4              audience or from you I would like to answer

 

            5              them.

 

            6                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I'd like to ask you

 

            7              a couple of questions.

 

            8                      MR. SANTOSE: Sure.

 

            9                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I am going to vote,

 

           10              no, tonight and I'm going to explain to you

 

           11              why.  I have had two or three people that

 

           12              live in your development that have concerns

 

           13              about the paving on the road and I

 

           14              understand Mr. King says -- could I

 

           15              continue?

 

           16                      MR. MCGOFF: Yes.

 

           17                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I understand Mr.

 

           18              King, I'm not doubting his word, but I

 

           19              haven't seen any and these people have

 

           20              concerns.  They said there was no core

 

           21              samples done.  They are claiming that the

 

           22              curbs, the height are higher than they

 

           23              should be because there isn't enough

 

           24              pavement there, all right?  And I'm not just

 

           25              trying to look out for their concern.  But I


 

 

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            1              haven't seen anything with my own eyes, and

 

            2              then I have two individuals that have

 

            3              repeatedly on many, many occasions they have

 

            4              some type of problem with what you are going

 

            5              to be constructing now on the corner lot.

 

            6                      MR. SANTOSE: I'm sorry?

 

            7                      MR. COURTRIGHT: What are you going

 

            8              be constructing on the corner, the last

 

            9              corner lot you have on Keyser Avenue?

 

           10                      MR. SANTOSE: Well, that's a separate

 

           11              development.  It's altogether different.

 

           12                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  That's yours

 

           13              though; correct?

 

           14                      MR. SANTOSE: It's mine.

 

           15                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  All right.  And

 

           16              this is what I'm saying, they are coming to

 

           17              me saying that and, again, I don't even know

 

           18              you, sir, I'm sure you are a fine man, but

 

           19              they are coming to me saying that you aren't

 

           20              being up front and forthright with what

 

           21              happened there and they don't believe you

 

           22              are being upfront and forthright with what's

 

           23              happening in the other development, and all

 

           24              I'm asking for and the reason I'm going to

 

           25              vote, no, tonight is because I haven't seen


 

 

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            1              anything in writing, you haven't shown me

 

            2              any core samples, you haven't shown me the

 

            3              height of the curbs, if that was shown to me

 

            4              I would certainly vote, yes.  I have learned

 

            5              not to take people's word sitting up here

 

            6              and, again, I hope you don't take it

 

            7              personal.  I'm praying that everything is

 

            8              100 percent because I know a lot of people

 

            9              that live there.

 

           10                      MR. SANTOSE: As far as inspection --

 

           11                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  You know what, I

 

           12              went over your time and we are not allowed

 

           13              to have a back and forth here.

 

           14                      MR. SANTOSE: All right.  I thought

 

           15              maybe I should answer.

 

           16                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I would like for you

 

           17              to answer, but because of the rules that we

 

           18              have adopted, you know, I'm not allowed to

 

           19              converse with you back and forth.

 

           20                      MR. SANTOSE: There are answers by

 

           21              the way.

 

           22                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Pardon me?

 

           23                      MR. SANTOSE: There are answers to

 

           24              the questions.

 

           25                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Yeah, I know, but if


 

 

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            1              you want to ask Mr. McGoff if he would grant

 

            2              you the time to answer them I would be happy

 

            3              to listen.

 

            4                      MR. SANTOSE: It would only take a

 

            5              minute or less.  I'll make it very short.

 

            6                      MR. MCGOFF: Since this is a

 

            7              one-time, they weren't here for the first

 

            8              time, I will allow it, yes.

 

            9                      MR. SANTOSE: Okay.  Thank you very

 

           10              much.  As far as the curbs, you have an

 

           11              allowance, so many inches plus or minus and

 

           12              we meet that, number one.  Number two, as

 

           13              far the inspection is concerned this was

 

           14              done several months ago, but Mr. King and

 

           15              Mr. George Parker they were together, the

 

           16              reason why his name is not on this letter is

 

           17              because he is no longer officially the city

 

           18              engineer, but they inspected the premises

 

           19              together and the third question about the

 

           20              other being upfront, I don't think this is

 

           21              true.  I have always been upfront with them.

 

           22              I have always been to their meeting, the

 

           23              Keyser Valley meetings, and I tried to do

 

           24              whatever, you know, is right.  And we

 

           25              already -- and, by the way, what he is


 

 

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            1              talking about is proposed, the near future,

 

            2              what we are talking about here is something

 

            3              now today.  There is a big difference in two

 

            4              different developments.  Thank you.

 

            5                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.

 

            6                      MR. MORGAN: Good evening, Council.

 

            7              I don't want to drag this thing out with

 

            8              you, I think 7-A and 7-B should be tabled.

 

            9              I think that for the city to proceed with

 

           10              7-A what happens if things aren't right

 

           11              here, is the city going to be liable to fix

 

           12              all of these things?  And 7-B I can't really

 

           13              see this tree planting project when you look

 

           14              at the general condition of the city.  I

 

           15              mean, we can do better things with those

 

           16              funds.

 

           17                      Another thing I would like to go to

 

           18              is this, you know, everybody is going to

 

           19              come up with their opinion about what

 

           20              happened with Judge Geroulo and I'm going to

 

           21              say that, you know, out of all of the judges

 

           22              in that courthouse he is one of the only

 

           23              ones that I really have any respect for.  If

 

           24              you were saying Judge Harhut or Corbett I

 

           25              think I would puke, but --


 

 

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            1                      MR. MCGOFF: Please, Mr. Morgan.

 

            2                      MR. MORGAN: But Judge Geroulo is

 

            3              really an upfront guy, and I would like to

 

            4              say is what he really did there is he

 

            5              protected this council and this

 

            6              administration because he knew that the

 

            7              things that happened in this council chamber

 

            8              weren't illegal and he wanted to make the

 

            9              best deal, in my opinion, he possibly could

 

           10              for this city because the city was going to

 

           11              be liable, not Mr. Patilla, because in the

 

           12              end this thing would have wound all the way

 

           13              through Superior Court to the Supreme Court

 

           14              and Mr. Patilla would have had to do all

 

           15              those filings and follow all of the rules of

 

           16              the Court and it would have drug on and on

 

           17              and on but in the end he would have won and

 

           18              I just think he saved himself a lot of hard

 

           19              work by agreeing to this deal.  I mean, we

 

           20              have all heard all of the things we have had

 

           21              about the South Side sports complex and now

 

           22              from what I understand that deal may have

 

           23              been killed by another court because what

 

           24              happened there necessarily wasn't legal.

 

           25                      And last week when I went home I


 

 

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            1              watched this meeting and I listened to this

 

            2              council say that it's purpose was to serve

 

            3              the people and I really don't find that

 

            4              because, Mr. McGoff, you stated that your

 

            5              job here isn't to go fetch anything.  No,

 

            6              sir, your job is to serve the residents here

 

            7              and I think that when they ask you for

 

            8              information I think you should want to share

 

            9              that information with them.  And the other

 

           10              problem is that much too often this council

 

           11              votes on things with no information and then

 

           12              later on after it's been passed they say, oh

 

           13              well, I didn't know that, so, I mean, how

 

           14              can you even consider this really a

 

           15              legitimate body to conduct the business that

 

           16              the City of Scranton, consider the long

 

           17              track record of this council and this

 

           18              administration and previous administrations

 

           19              because the blight that's occurred in this

 

           20              city didn't happen in the last four years,

 

           21              okay, it's happened over 50 years and for

 

           22              over 50 years the council and the mayor

 

           23              haven't necessarily done their job.  It's

 

           24              just much worse now that the Doherty

 

           25              administration is in office because they are


 

 

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            1              borrowing and doing all of the wrong things

 

            2              here and you can tell that just by looking

 

            3              around.

 

            4                      I mean, we have got a basketball

 

            5              coach, okay, in my opinion and he is running

 

            6              permits, license and inspections, Mark

 

            7              Seitzinger.  I brought his resume here and

 

            8              gave it to council.  I had a copy of his

 

            9              resume, I brought it here, he is a

 

           10              basketball coach.  I'm really troubled by

 

           11              that.  I really am.  I mean, how can the

 

           12              people of this city have any faith in it's

 

           13              government when it's own government tries to

 

           14              disenfranchise it from the information they

 

           15              deserve to have.  When you go through this

 

           16              city and see all of the condemned structures

 

           17              and all we ever talk about is absentee

 

           18              landlords.  I talked with a gentleman in

 

           19              Liberty, New York, who was going to come

 

           20              back down here and by units and when I told

 

           21              him the stuff that goes on in this city he

 

           22              thanked me and said, boy, you know, I'm glad

 

           23              I didn't go down there.  I mean, you've got

 

           24              these people coming here and investing in

 

           25              properties and they are losing everything


 

 

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            1              they own and then everybody blames

 

            2              everything on absentee landlords.  The truth

 

            3              of the matter is this city borrowed too much

 

            4              money, all the time let's borrow more, let's

 

            5              not make any smart choices, let's not make

 

            6              any tough decisions, let's not even worry

 

            7              about any of the information, any of the

 

            8              backup.  Let's not post it.  You know, Marie

 

            9              Schumacher is absolutely right.  That point

 

           10              was brought up 10 years ago or when this

 

           11              website was even brought into being about

 

           12              posting all the backup information on

 

           13              anything on the agenda of this council so

 

           14              that all of the residents of this city could

 

           15              see it, but you know what's really going on

 

           16              here is none of that is important.  You have

 

           17              the authority to borrow money, give the

 

           18              mayor permission to borrow to do anything he

 

           19              wants to do and in the end the people are

 

           20              totally forgotten and now people are coming

 

           21              forward saying, well, my house is in

 

           22              trouble, the gentleman that came here last

 

           23              week, all right?  I mean, these people are

 

           24              just being bled dry and then for your

 

           25              comment to say, well, it's not my job to go


 

 

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            1              fetch, no, sir.  Your job is to serve the

 

            2              residents.  But like you said when you first

 

            3              sat there, you are a personal friend of the

 

            4              mayor, those were your words, but you know

 

            5              something, you should be the personal friend

 

            6              of all of the residents in the city and try

 

            7              to make their live better, not worse.  Thank

 

            8              you.

 

            9                      MS. KRAKE: Good evening, Council, my

 

           10              name is Nancy Krake.  I would like to remind

 

           11              everyone that since the first budget in 2002

 

           12              Mayor Doherty and the seated council at the

 

           13              time eliminated low-paying clerical jobs and

 

           14              increased administrative jobs in younger and

 

           15              salary.  Again, in 2003, the violation of

 

           16              their own Recovery Plan they eliminated

 

           17              clerical workers and increased

 

           18              administrative jobs and salaries.  At this

 

           19              time they also gave a group of retiring

 

           20              clerical workers and retiring administration

 

           21              a double pension.  This pension will cost

 

           22              the taxpayers approximately $800,000 for the

 

           23              next 20 years.  The direct results of these

 

           24              actions are the 26 percent tax increase on

 

           25              your home and property and over 200 million


 

 

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            1              in debt and borrowing.  The mayor's

 

            2              borrowing has a two-fold effect.  It has

 

            3              eaten up 20 percent of the funds available

 

            4              to run our city by forcing us to take money

 

            5              that should be used for services like public

 

            6              safety and road repair and pay that instead

 

            7              to our creditors and without a new source of

 

            8              revenue it will force property taxes to

 

            9              increase time and time again.  Mayor Doherty

 

           10              and all the council persons who supported

 

           11              his economic policies are to blame.  The

 

           12              councilpersons who voted for all of Mayor

 

           13              Doherty's legislation since 2001 are Alex

 

           14              Hazzouri, Kevin Murphy, Tom Gilhooley,

 

           15              Michael McCormick, John Pocius, Bob

 

           16              McTiernan, Sherry Fanucci, Judy Gatelli and

 

           17              Bob McGoff.  The most recent of these laws

 

           18              are the unusually burdensome fees for

 

           19              delinquent home and property taxes.

 

           20              Councilpersons Fanucci and Gatelli proved

 

           21              the point that they blindly vote for

 

           22              legislation the mayor puts forth when last

 

           23              week they were surprised by a taxpayers'

 

           24              story of how his tax bill went from 80 to

 

           25              $500.


 

 

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            1                      Mrs. Gatelli made erroneous

 

            2              statements concerning the process for

 

            3              collecting delinquent county, school and

 

            4              library taxes.  Mr. McGoff did not stop her

 

            5              even when it was brought to his attention in

 

            6              the hall outside of council chambers that

 

            7              Mrs. Gatelli's statements were false.

 

            8              Mr. McGoff did, however, tell Mrs. Evans not

 

            9              to make suppositions about the lack of vital

 

           10              electrical test equipment for the fire

 

           11              department.  Since last Tuesday, and

 

           12              probably due in part to Mrs. Evans bringing

 

           13              light to the situation, the city has

 

           14              purchased three electrical testers.  It

 

           15              doesn't matter what anyone says taxpayers,

 

           16              workers or residents, these three council

 

           17              persons, Gatelli, Fanucci and McGoff, will

 

           18              keep voting for Mayor Doherty's policies

 

           19              which is unfortunately voting against the

 

           20              average citizen of Scranton.  Thank you.

 

           21                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mrs. Krake.

 

           22                      MR. GERVASI:  Good evening, Dave

 

           23              Gervasi, firefighter, resident of the City

 

           24              of Scranton.  I wasn't planning on speaking,

 

           25              I just come here for the entertainment value


 

 

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            1              as some people like to say, but I guess in

 

            2              the beginning I just missed it, I guess

 

            3              Mr. McGoff was doing his honorable duty for

 

            4              the mayor to beat up, maybe insinuate that

 

            5              Mrs. Evans may have been wrong when she said

 

            6              last week, so I'm here to provide some truth

 

            7              for you.  And believe it or no,

 

            8              Mrs. Fanucci, I wasn't the fireman that told

 

            9              her that story last week, honest to God.

 

           10                      It was 23 days last week since we

 

           11              had a tragic incident and the firefighters

 

           12              were busy for probably five days after that

 

           13              incident working 18-hour days and I could

 

           14              probably honesty say 150 firefighters didn't

 

           15              leave fire headquarters.  For 13 days, the

 

           16              last 13 days as of Wednesday of last week,

 

           17              the city did nothing, absolutely zero.  As a

 

           18              matter of fact, up until today we had ten

 

           19              offers to buy hot sticks and safety

 

           20              equipment from just plain old residents,

 

           21              Mrs. Schumacher being one of them.  She is

 

           22              probably mad as me because she didn't want

 

           23              me to say that, 13 days the president of our

 

           24              union, Dave Schreiber left two messages with

 

           25              Director Hayes, he left two phone messages


 

 

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            1              with Director Hayes and he had a meeting

 

            2              with, an actual meeting in the hall when he

 

            3              said, hey, we need to talk about some stop

 

            4              gap measures until the experts come in and

 

            5              how to make sure this never happens again.

 

            6              Thirteen days.  Then last week we had a fire

 

            7              on, which I was at the fire, on Linden

 

            8              Street and there was a problem with PPL.

 

            9              There was a delay of turning the electric

 

           10              off there, too, and asked for 13 days, let's

 

           11              sit down with PPL, let's find out if we can

 

           12              buy some of this equipment to prevent this

 

           13              from happening again because we are not

 

           14              electricians, we are not the experts, our

 

           15              leadership is supposed to know this.  But

 

           16              what happens is the city starts spinning,

 

           17              it's not our fault, we had a safety meeting

 

           18              that day but there was -- that's what the

 

           19              director said in the paper.  We had a safety

 

           20              meeting that day and it was called off

 

           21              because the fire came in.  Lie number one.

 

           22              The director said he couldn't make the

 

           23              meeting before the fire came in.  He already

 

           24              said he couldn't make the meeting, so I

 

           25              guess he was really concerned about our


 

 

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            1              safety, the first safety meeting since this

 

            2              incident.

 

            3                      Then our chief goes onto say that

 

            4              PPL did a phenomenal job at the fire.  That

 

            5              was a wonderful and he even rated them eight

 

            6              out of ten.  Here is man who has 30 years

 

            7              involved with the fire department, can't

 

            8              even run the fire department, how the heck

 

            9              would he ever know what kind of job PPL ever

 

           10              did?  But our president went to the paper

 

           11              and embarrassed them because he wasn't

 

           12              getting a phone call back from our director

 

           13              Ray Hayes, so it hits the paper on

 

           14              Wednesday.  Nobody is talking to us, we have

 

           15              safety concerns, we want to meet with PPL

 

           16              we, we want policy, SOG's, SOP's to work

 

           17              with PPL to make sure this doesn't happen

 

           18              again.  It hits the paper, all of sudden the

 

           19              next day Mayor Doherty himself calls Dave

 

           20              Schreiber, come on down, we have to have a

 

           21              meeting.  And on Friday they had a meeting

 

           22              and the chief was belligerent at the

 

           23              meeting, made no excuses about it, but my

 

           24              president and our deputy chief was the ones

 

           25              who did research since this incident


 

 

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            1              happened, simply went on the Internet and

 

            2              found out, hey, there is these sticks that

 

            3              are $299.  There is these proximity alarms

 

            4              that they make for trucks, a little more

 

            5              expensive, from 5 to $15,000 each.  Our guys

 

            6              had to do it.  You know what our chief did

 

            7              or our director did since this tragedy?

 

            8              Zero, until they were embarrassed in the

 

            9              paper then they tried to cover themselves by

 

           10              lying saying they couldn't get to a safety

 

           11              meeting.  They are a liars.  That's the

 

           12              truth.  All of a sudden Friday night we get

 

           13              three hot sticks.  All of a sudden the mayor

 

           14              finds money.  We don't have money to fix our

 

           15              vehicles.  We don't have money to purchase

 

           16              fire trucks, but all of a sudden they are

 

           17              embarrassed and now we finally get fire

 

           18              sticks and, believe me, I'm going to tell

 

           19              you the truth for all fairness, they are

 

           20              looking at even better equipment now.  They

 

           21              are looking at proximity alarms, carte

 

           22              blanch, whatever we want, but it took

 

           23              23 days for them to make a move and it took

 

           24              my president 13 days before the city would

 

           25              even sit and talk to him about this, so you


 

 

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            1              see where his priorities are?  But, don't

 

            2              worry about it, he is worrying about who is

 

            3              going to take over Channel 61, he is worried

 

            4              about planting trees in South Side.  I'm

 

            5              sorry.

 

            6                      MR. SLEDZENSKI: Hi, Judge.

 

            7                      MS. GATELLI: Hi, Chrissy.

 

            8                      MR. SLEDZENSKI: Hi, Bill.

 

            9                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Hi, Chris.

 

           10                      MR. SLEDZENSKI: I got a question to

 

           11              ask you, just only you, Billy, the other

 

           12              morning when I got out of bed one morning

 

           13              there was truck there at the house, is he

 

           14              allowed to have a truck there like that or

 

           15              what?

 

           16                      MR. COURTRIGHT: We'll have to have

 

           17              the cops talk to him about it.

 

           18                      MR. SLEDZENSKI: All right, thanks,

 

           19              Bill.

 

           20                      MR. COURTRIGHT: You are welcome.

 

           21                      MR. DAVIS: Salaam aleikum.  It's

 

           22              been a great week for me really.  We were at

 

           23              Bethel A & E last Sunday and I would say

 

           24              there are about 6 to 70 people there

 

           25              registering for Barack Obama, Senator Barack


 

 

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            1              Obama's campaign for either his volunteers

 

            2              or as workers and the community came

 

            3              together and it seems like it's going to

 

            4              come together, and we have a very positive

 

            5              viewpoint to the next elected official,

 

            6              hopefully it will be Barack Obama.  But what

 

            7              I'm here tonight for is to tell everyone out

 

            8              there please register to vote.  Do yourself

 

            9              a favor, only 20 percent of the population

 

           10              of Lackawanna County voted in the last

 

           11              election, 20 percent.  If we were to vote

 

           12              like we should we wouldn't have problems

 

           13              with people that sit on our dais and refuse

 

           14              to give us the proper answers.  If they fear

 

           15              our vote, if they fear this when it comes

 

           16              time to vote then they would do things in a

 

           17              better way.  I have heard complaints all

 

           18              night long, and I sat and I listened to them

 

           19              and I'm amazed at the fact that I don't know

 

           20              how you take it.  I really don't.  That's,

 

           21              you know, it's like -- it's not stabbing you

 

           22              with a knife or anything like that, but it's

 

           23              just making your whole countenance seem

 

           24              lesser than what it really is.

 

           25                      Last week I think Mr. -- the


 

 

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            1              president said to me that he was not a

 

            2              problem with diversity and he gave me five

 

            3              different statistics of how he was a diverse

 

            4              individual and I went behind him and I

 

            5              called the school board and tried to find

 

            6              out how much people do we have working for

 

            7              the school board?  How many people do we

 

            8              have, you know, that are minorities?  How

 

            9              many students do we have in the school board

 

           10              and you know the numbers I don't know what

 

           11              diversity means, I really don't.  I don't

 

           12              know how you define it, but whatever way you

 

           13              define, please, check it out.  Look and see.

 

           14              I think you will find out that it's not a

 

           15              very, very diverse society we are dealing

 

           16              with and our kids do not have a lot to look

 

           17              up to and this is something that we want to

 

           18              change.  We are going to change it now, we

 

           19              are going to change it as soon as this

 

           20              election is over and, believe me, I think

 

           21              you are going to have a forced year, and I

 

           22              thank you for listening to me and I don't

 

           23              request an answer to anything I have said

 

           24              and I hope I haven't insulted anyone.  Thank

 

           25              you.


 

 

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            1                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mr. Davis.

 

            2              Anyone else?  Fourth Order.

 

            3                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  I'm going to speak

 

            4              briefly on 7-A, I will wait and see if

 

            5              someone here would be willing to do this.  I

 

            6              know we tabled it once and I would prefer to

 

            7              table it again and I'll tell you why.  I do

 

            8              not doubt this gentleman's honesty that came

 

            9              to the podium.  I do not doubt the honesty

 

           10              of Mr. King, I just haven't seen anything in

 

           11              writing myself and how could I go to the

 

           12              individuals that have those questions and

 

           13              honestly tell them I voted in good

 

           14              conscience just because someone had told me

 

           15              that, so I would like to see the report and

 

           16              the core samples or whatever, I don't even

 

           17              know who is the doing the engineering now or

 

           18              whoever did it in the past before I would be

 

           19              willing to vote, yes, so I will wait and see

 

           20              if maybe one of my colleagues will -- I'm

 

           21              not going to make the motion if it's not

 

           22              going to pass so if one of the other people

 

           23              will make it I'm sure that it will pass.

 

           24                      I forgot Mr. DeSarno's question last

 

           25              week so he restated it this week and I've


 

 

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            1              got several things to say about that.  The

 

            2              27 pay, when that first came about I started

 

            3              asking questions and I was told, you know,

 

            4              it happens every so many years and I believe

 

            5              it might have within happened in the

 

            6              Connor's administration and this is what

 

            7              needs to be done and I always thought that

 

            8              they were 100 percent wrong trying to hold

 

            9              back on the 27 pay.  I thought, well, we are

 

           10              going to end up paying it and paying it with

 

           11              interest, and I just thought, well, maybe

 

           12              this mayor's lawyers had some kind of a

 

           13              loophole or backdoor or anything, I didn't

 

           14              know, so they were going to give a shot, so

 

           15              they did and they lost.  But, when they lose

 

           16              and then they go and have a good faith thing

 

           17              that, you know, the police would get it, and

 

           18              then they go to Court again and cost the

 

           19              taxpayers more money with lawyers and

 

           20              knowing that they are going to lose it, no,

 

           21              I don't agree with that.  Do I consider that

 

           22              frivolous?  Absolutely, Mr. DeSarno.

 

           23              Absolutely.  Other things you had brought

 

           24              up, I was -- I can't even remember how many

 

           25              years ago, it was over in Greenridge in


 

 

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            1              front of the mayor's house there that kid

 

            2              got beat up pretty bad and I attended a

 

            3              meeting over there, it might have been the

 

            4              Greenridge American Legion, it was some

 

            5              hall, I forget, it was jam-packed.  There

 

            6              was every news media there, I had to

 

            7              actually stand in a kitchen in the place,

 

            8              that's how crowded it was, and back then I

 

            9              stated that, you know, people wanted more

 

           10              police officers on the street and they were

 

           11              looking for suggestions how we could do that

 

           12              and I said, look at, the Connors'

 

           13              administration was forced to hire SIT

 

           14              clerks.  Why don't we bring them back and

 

           15              let them do the reports and at least put the

 

           16              officers on the street for a little while

 

           17              longer while they are not doing reports

 

           18              because we are going to end up paying for

 

           19              these SIT clerks.  We are going to pay for

 

           20              people that never came in to work, and I was

 

           21              yelling at them and I remember the

 

           22              administration said I was turning that

 

           23              meeting into politics.  Well, here we are ho

 

           24              many years later and how many hundreds of

 

           25              thousands of dollars are we going to pay


 

 

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            1              now?  Millions?  Millions of dollars, all

 

            2              right, and I was told I was being political.

 

            3              I mean, it was in the contract, it was black

 

            4              and white.  I don't believe Mayor Connors

 

            5              wanted the contract, I believe PEL may have

 

            6              put them in there.  It's in the contract,

 

            7              it's black and white.  How did you figure

 

            8              you are just come in and say, "I'm the new

 

            9              mayor, I don't want them anymore."

 

           10                      Well, now we are paying.  You and I

 

           11              are paying, so to answer to your question,

 

           12              Mr. DeSarno, do I think those type of things

 

           13              are frivolous?  Absolutely I do.

 

           14                      On a lighter note, there is a police

 

           15              sergeant, Jimmy Sheridan, his son Matt is a

 

           16              Lance Corporal in the Marine Corp, he was a

 

           17              big athlete from West Scranton High School,

 

           18              two time all regional district champion

 

           19              wrestler and a two-time all district

 

           20              champion wrestler and he is going to be

 

           21              deployed now to Iraq, so I would just like

 

           22              for everybody to maybe if you can keep him

 

           23              in your prayers.  He is being deployed

 

           24              in March and hopefully he comes home safe

 

           25              and sound.


 

 

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            1                      Tripp Park, we got the answers from

 

            2              -- I keep forgetting this woman's name, I

 

            3              apologize, Mrs. Patterson, maybe it's not

 

            4              Mrs. Mary Patterson, she it the new

 

            5              solicitor and I asked Mr. Minora to explain

 

            6              some of things to me on there.  They showed

 

            7              what bonds were put up and it doesn't say on

 

            8              here did we ever return the bonds to them or

 

            9              not and Mr. Minora explained to me that the

 

           10              one letter of credit expired in 2001, so

 

           11              that's probably still not in effect, but

 

           12              maybe I'll just go up and -- I haven't met

 

           13              the lady, so I probably should introduce

 

           14              myself to her and maybe I'll just go up and

 

           15              ask her in person did we return or does this

 

           16              gentleman still have bonds out there because

 

           17              I know that the people in the live in the

 

           18              Tripp Park development are upset with a lot

 

           19              of things that happened up there and they

 

           20              can't believe how his bond would be held

 

           21              until these things were rectified, so I will

 

           22              speak to Mrs. Patterson, or I'm sorry, I

 

           23              keep calling here Mrs. Patterson, Mary

 

           24              Patterson, I don't if she is a Mrs. or not,

 

           25              is she?


 

 

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            1                      MR. MCGOFF: Yes.

 

            2                      MR. COURTRIGHT: She is?  Okay.  You

 

            3              know, the fire department awhile back I used

 

            4              to attend meetings on Thursday, I believe it

 

            5              was once a month safety meetings on Thursday

 

            6              and I had missed I think maybe three in a

 

            7              row because they actually did me a favor and

 

            8              scheduled them on Thursday morning because I

 

            9              could make it and my scheduled had changed

 

           10              and I had missed them and then I hadn't

 

           11              received any information anymore about those

 

           12              safety meetings, so I don't know if you are

 

           13              having them anymore or if you're not, but if

 

           14              you are I'll find out and I'll try it attend

 

           15              them.  I think we've got to consistently be

 

           16              updating our standard operating procedures

 

           17              because I don't think that we should ever

 

           18              allow anything that happened to Jimmy

 

           19              Robeson happen again, that we should do

 

           20              everything possible to try and avoid it and

 

           21              I'm sure each and every year there is new

 

           22              and upcoming things that will keep our guys

 

           23              safe and females safe, I don't want to just

 

           24              say guys, but I think that the chief and the

 

           25              president of the union or whoever represents


 

 

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            1              their safety committee should meet and

 

            2              discuss these ideas and, you know, just

 

            3              leave the politics out and discuss them

 

            4              because nobody's life is worth losing no

 

            5              matter what side of the political fence you

 

            6              are on here and I can understand how you got

 

            7              irate there, Mr. Gervasi, I can certainly

 

            8              understand that.

 

            9                      Moving on, the numbers on the houses

 

           10              I think we went through this once before why

 

           11              it's not being enforced, I don't think we

 

           12              have the personnel.  I think that's the

 

           13              simple reason.  I believe it was said that

 

           14              maybe inspection would be the ones that --

 

           15              the inspectors might be the ones that go out

 

           16              and there and enforce it.  I don't think we

 

           17              have enough inspectors the way it is.  I

 

           18              think we have one health inspector and I

 

           19              believe we need more than that so I believe

 

           20              that's the reason that the numbers on houses

 

           21              aren't being enforced, lack of personnel.

 

           22              Again, I know that doesn't sit well with

 

           23              you, but that's the answer that I had gotten

 

           24              in the past.

 

           25                      And one last thing, lines being


 

 

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            1              painted on the streets.  That's been a

 

            2              problem for about three years now since I

 

            3              have been here that we don't have the lines

 

            4              painted in the city the way they should be

 

            5              and I think it's getting worse than it was

 

            6              in the past.  There is another thing that I

 

            7              think, I said it before and I'll say it

 

            8              again, we need at least another person in

 

            9              this department and probably another machine

 

           10              to paint them.  They don't have enough

 

           11              personnel to do what they need to do now.  I

 

           12              think there is, I don't want to say names,

 

           13              but I think there it maybe three people in

 

           14              there and the foreman, just simply not

 

           15              enough to take care of what we have, so I

 

           16              don't think until we put somebody else into

 

           17              that department and other personnel and

 

           18              possibly another line painting machine that

 

           19              you are going to see us come up to where we

 

           20              need to be with these lines.  And I believe

 

           21              that's all I have.  Thank you.

 

           22                      MR. MCGOFF: Mrs. Fanucci.

 

           23                      MS. FANUCCI: I'm going to address

 

           24              some of the questions from Mrs. Schumacher

 

           25              and also Mr. Quinn regarding the tree


 

 

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            1              situation.  This seems to be a very

 

            2              contentious issue, but I think we need to

 

            3              understand what is available in the city and

 

            4              how this came to be.  Some of the

 

            5              suggestions, I had got an e-mail I believe

 

            6              with Mr. Quinn's letter saying that we

 

            7              should be putting this money into housing

 

            8              rehab.  We have a housing rehab program in

 

            9              the city.  The money comes out of the Home

 

           10              Money Fund.  We have that.  That already is

 

           11              going on.  There is money there, and it is

 

           12              for rehabbing houses.  We are currently

 

           13              rehabbing houses all over the city, but

 

           14              there is still money available and I think

 

           15              Mr. Quinn the reason in the 80's they used

 

           16              to use the CDBG money, now they've changed

 

           17              and they use this new account since 1994

 

           18              it's called Home Money Fund.  So, there is

 

           19              rehab money and it is being done, so that

 

           20              money is already taken care of.

 

           21                      For the street paving curbs and

 

           22              sidewalks was another thing that was

 

           23              addressed, that we should be using this

 

           24              money for that.  You can only use this money

 

           25              in low to moderate income areas that have


 

 

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            1              been designated by the state already which

 

            2              happens when people sign and decide -- in

 

            3              saying how much money you make, your income,

 

            4              it goes into the state and they decide where

 

            5              your low to moderate income areas are.  You

 

            6              can only use the money for low to moderate

 

            7              income areas for curbing sidewalks.  This

 

            8              can only happen every seven years.  We have

 

            9              already done all of the areas and they are

 

           10              not ready to be done again.  Some might be

 

           11              up in another year, but as for right now we

 

           12              cannot use this money for that so I wanted

 

           13              to address that because a lot of this I

 

           14              wanted to know myself why weren't we using

 

           15              that.

 

           16                      Public service money.  We cannot --

 

           17              I would love to be able to say we can use

 

           18              this money to put more cops on the street,

 

           19              you know, use it for any type of service.

 

           20              We cannot use this for service because we

 

           21              have to use 15 percent of the total funding

 

           22              for public service, that is all the

 

           23              allowance which means if we decide to maybe

 

           24              put more police on the streets, that comes

 

           25              out of that funding.  When we fund, help the


 

 

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            1              Girls and Boys Club, Salvation Army Senior

 

            2              Center, Meals on Wheels, all of those people

 

            3              have to come out of that 15 percent.  We

 

            4              have exhausted that 15 percent already and a

 

            5              lot of that was done a few weeks ago when we

 

            6              sat down and we allocated the money.

 

            7                      I believe that people think that the

 

            8              plans are just like taken out of the air.

 

            9              Every five years is a consolidated plan

 

           10              that's conducted, a study is performed and

 

           11              the state, there's a guide for the state to

 

           12              say, okay, here is what's going on.  Maybe

 

           13              we need to have infrastructure done.  Maybe

 

           14              you are weak in your economic development.

 

           15              Maybe we need to see more shelters.

 

           16              Whatever comes out of this study, this

 

           17              five-year study that's how the year

 

           18              guideline goes where these type of projects

 

           19              and what kind of projects are going to come

 

           20              about.  So, the last project, the last study

 

           21              the last five years said that our South Side

 

           22              was very deteriorated.  We had to start

 

           23              putting some money into South Side because

 

           24              it was not -- it needed to be fixed.  So the

 

           25              money we are taking for the trees are from


 

 

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            1              old projects.  This is not new money, this

 

            2              is not money that we will be using, this is

 

            3              money that was not used in old projects and

 

            4              they put it together.  The reason that it's

 

            5              being allocated to South Side is because it

 

            6              goes and coincides with the year plan which

 

            7              is to help renovate and restore South Side.

 

            8              It is not just because out of all of the

 

            9              things in the city we think we need trees.

 

           10              There is a plan.  There is always a plan and

 

           11              realize that the plan is not just through

 

           12              us, it's through the state, you have to make

 

           13              sure that you are complying with all of the

 

           14              rules and regulations and they have to

 

           15              approve the plan every single year.  Now,

 

           16              does that mean we don't change it every once

 

           17              in awhile and decide to put the cart before

 

           18              the horse, obviously trees before the rest

 

           19              is done, you do it when the money becomes

 

           20              available, and that's what's being done.  No

 

           21              different than the flood project.  You know,

 

           22              they are putting things before they acquire

 

           23              all the properties.  That's how it's done.

 

           24              You do it when you can do it and that's what

 

           25              it's about.  It's not just about trees.


 

 

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            1              It's about keeping with what we need to do

 

            2              to keep our city, you know, in the best

 

            3              shape we can.

 

            4                      Small business was addressed

 

            5              tonight, too.  We have many small business

 

            6              programs at OECD.  The city, not just

 

            7              themselves, there are small interests all

 

            8              over the city.  Small business is able to be

 

            9              helped.  You still have to comply, you still

 

           10              have to create jobs for low to moderate

 

           11              income, how much money you are looking for,

 

           12              you still have to have collateral, you still

 

           13              have to have something to put up to say this

 

           14              is what I'm going to do, you have to have a

 

           15              plan, and you have to have backers and you

 

           16              have to have everything that you still would

 

           17              need to start a small business, but there is

 

           18              help out there.  So all of these

 

           19              misconceptions week after week about what

 

           20              the city does and does not do is just not

 

           21              accurate.  So, I hope that maybe that gives

 

           22              a little bit more understanding to what goes

 

           23              into OECD that they are just not picking

 

           24              from what I heard like the favorites of the

 

           25              city, and it's pretty much -- it's pretty


 

 

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            1              much -- everyone has to have the same

 

            2              qualifications.  If you come in and you look

 

            3              for a loan you still have to have the same

 

            4              qualifications, it doesn't matter who you,

 

            5              you still have to fit the criteria.

 

            6                      Okay, because I also want to talk

 

            7              about some of the things that were addressed

 

            8              tonight.  Listen, I can go back and forth

 

            9              with this crowd forever, and go back and

 

           10              forth on what I believe and what you

 

           11              believe.  I do not feel that I have made any

 

           12              bad mistakes nor do I feel I need to

 

           13              apologize for what I have done.  You feel

 

           14              differently than I do.  Many of you feel

 

           15              differently than I do and that's fine,

 

           16              that's okay.  Am I sad that you are up here

 

           17              fighting for what you need to fight for?

 

           18              Absolutely not.  That's what this is about.

 

           19              You can do that all you want, but don't get

 

           20              angry because I have my views and I feel

 

           21              very strongly, as strongly as you do about

 

           22              your views.

 

           23                      My laughing.  My laughing always

 

           24              seem to be funny.  I can't imagine that it

 

           25              actually gets as much attention as it does,


 

 

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            1              but, yes, when I see how it is conducted

 

            2              here and, of course, when it so blatantly

 

            3              obvious I'm going to laugh, just like you

 

            4              would laugh if it was me.

 

            5                      I understand the bottom line and

 

            6              that's what I listen to.  I don't listen to

 

            7              the fact that, like, you can, you know, get

 

            8              mad at this or get mad at that, I listen to

 

            9              the bottom line.  The bottom line is I

 

           10              believe in the Recovery Plan.  That is a bad

 

           11              issue.  It is not an easy path to take and

 

           12              it's certainly not easy in this forum.  I do

 

           13              believe it can work.  Now, is that going to

 

           14              make me popular with the unions?  Absolutely

 

           15              not.  Is that understandable?  Sure it is.

 

           16              They are fighting for their jobs.  They are

 

           17              fighting for what they want, they are

 

           18              fighting for what they believe in.

 

           19                      MR. GERVASI: You are clueless.

 

           20                      MS. FANUCCI:  And, yes, I'm clueless

 

           21              from what I just heard.

 

           22                      MS. GERVASI: Yes, your are.  You are

 

           23              clueless.  You are clueless.

 

           24                      MS. FANUCCI: I'm not going to argue.

 

           25                      MR. MCGOFF: Mr. Gervasi, that's


 

 

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            1              unacceptable.

 

            2                      MS. GERVASI: I know, throw me out,

 

            3              Mr. McGoff.

 

            4                      MS. FANUCCI: It's fine.

 

            5                      MR. GERVASI:  Clueless.

 

            6                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.

 

            7                      MR. GERVASI: You are very welcome.

 

            8                      MR. MCGOFF:  Thank you for acting

 

            9              mature.

 

           10                      MR. GERVASI:  Who paid her -- who

 

           11              financed her campaign?

 

           12                      MR. MCGOFF: Excuse me.

 

           13                      MR. GERVASI: Who financed her

 

           14              campaign.  She believes in the Recovery

 

           15              Plan.

 

           16                      MR. MCGOFF: Excuse me.

 

           17                      MR. GERVASI: You haven't even read

 

           18              it.  You are clueless.

 

           19                      MS. FANUCCI: This is a perfect

 

           20              example of what goes on and that's fine, I

 

           21              understand that, but for some reason I'm

 

           22              supposed to think differently.  I'm the one,

 

           23              I believe in it and you don't have to like

 

           24              it.  I also will fight for what I believe in

 

           25              and say what I think whether or not it is


 

 

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            1              popular and it's not going to be popular

 

            2              among the unions and I understand that,

 

            3              also.  I don't want you to have to -- I want

 

            4              you to fight it out.  I think you deserve to

 

            5              fight it out.  I think that both sides are

 

            6              not going to stop and I said this from day

 

            7              one, nobody is going to stop.  It is going

 

            8              to be fought out in Court.  There will be no

 

            9              signing of that contract, I can guarantee

 

           10              it, because it wouldn't have gone six years.

 

           11              It was a long time.  Do they deserve a

 

           12              raise?  Absolutely.  Did I say that they

 

           13              didn't?  Never.  Do they deserve to fight

 

           14              for what they want?  Absolutely.  Both sides

 

           15              have to come to a conclusion and for some

 

           16              reason that's not a good statement either.

 

           17              I don't know.  I believe that that's what

 

           18              America is about, it's fair.  Sit down,

 

           19              figure it out and then everyone leaves the

 

           20              table hopefully happy at some point.

 

           21                      But I certainly am not going to sit

 

           22              here week after week and respond to little

 

           23              digs and little innuendoes so that we can

 

           24              keep this going.  There is not what forum is

 

           25              about.  I'm going to do my job and I'm going


 

 

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            1              to make decisions and whether or not people

 

            2              believe that I read or don't read what

 

            3              happens behind the scenes, I study very hard

 

            4              and decide myself what I believe.  Just

 

            5              because I agree with someone else doesn't

 

            6              mean that I don't see your point and if I

 

            7              don't agree with you I am listening to you,

 

            8              but it doesn't mean that I'm not on your

 

            9              side, it just means that I have made my

 

           10              decision on what I believe is correct, and

 

           11              that is all.  I just -- it gets so tiring

 

           12              day after day and week after week.  This has

 

           13              been on and, you know, they say if you keep

 

           14              creating the same atmosphere and you are

 

           15              waiting for a different change then it's

 

           16              called insanity.  We have the same

 

           17              atmosphere here.  Nothing has changed.

 

           18              Nobody has gotten anywhere.  I have said

 

           19              from day one if we sit down and try to do

 

           20              this in a way where everyone can come to

 

           21              terms and to each and really bring educated

 

           22              and talk about what we need to do instead of

 

           23              constantly badgering and picking and, you

 

           24              know, tonight it seemed like Mr. McGoff is

 

           25              on the hot seat, I was happy to be able to


 

 

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            1              take the night off.

 

            2                      MR. MCGOFF: Thanks.

 

            3                      MS. FANUCCI: But I have to say that

 

            4              instead of coming here with those type of

 

            5              attitudes and behavior and wonder why

 

            6              nothing has changed it's pretty obvious it's

 

            7              not going to change, so if that's how we

 

            8              want to continue here the results will be

 

            9              the same.  We will keep making the decisions

 

           10              we feel, you will keep yelling about the

 

           11              decisions that we make.  That's what's going

 

           12              to happen, so that is really all I have to

 

           13              say.

 

           14                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.  Mrs.

 

           15              Gatelli.

 

           16                      MS. GATELLI: I just have a few

 

           17              things, I appreciate Mr. Santose, and I know

 

           18              you a long time and I appreciate your coming

 

           19              here and explaining your situation, but I

 

           20              have to agree with Mr. Courtright and I will

 

           21              make the motion to table it again only

 

           22              because I haven't seen anything from a city

 

           23              engineer.  Now, you said that Mr. Parker did

 

           24              inspect it and he is not the city engineer

 

           25              now, but if he inspected it then he must


 

 

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            1              have been the city engineer when he

 

            2              inspected.

 

            3                      MR. SANTOSE: He was.

 

            4                      MS. GATELLI: So he should be able to

 

            5              give us a letter stating that he inspected

 

            6              it, you know, it's up to code, it's the way

 

            7              it's supposed to be and he is an engineer,

 

            8              and I think I asked for something else, Kay,

 

            9              I can't remember right now, that escapes me,

 

           10              but I asked for three items for Kay to check

 

           11              into and she will know later because she is

 

           12              much smarter than I am, but there were three

 

           13              items that I was interested in and I think

 

           14              they were very similar to the items that

 

           15              Bill was interested in and as long as you

 

           16              have waited this long I don't see why

 

           17              waiting another week or two is going to

 

           18              hurt.  We just want to be sure because there

 

           19              have been developments where we are not

 

           20              getting the right answers and they are not

 

           21              being nice to the people, no reflection on

 

           22              you, but there is a development where people

 

           23              are suffering and we don't want it to happen

 

           24              up there.  So it's no reflection on you, but

 

           25              we need to see the proper documents.  So I


 

 

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            1              will make that motion that we table it until

 

            2              we get those items.

 

            3                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.

 

            4                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?

 

            5                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Just real briefly,

 

            6              Mr. McGoff, I would like to say if, in fact,

 

            7              you know, I get Mr. Parker's report and he

 

            8              says everything is all right I'm fine with

 

            9              it then because he is an engineer and he has

 

           10              got a license and I'm sure he has to seal it

 

           11              and he would be held accountable if

 

           12              something went wrong and that's all I'm

 

           13              locking for the.

 

           14                      MR. SANTOSE:  Above all that, he

 

           15              inspected --

 

           16                      MR. MCGOFF: Mr. Santose, thank you.

 

           17                      MR. SANTOSE: Okay, I'm sorry.

 

           18                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  I understand.  I

 

           19              understand he was the city engineer at the

 

           20              time and that's good enough for me that he

 

           21              was a city engineer at the time because I'm

 

           22              sure whoever is going to be the new city

 

           23              engineer would have to go through the same

 

           24              procedures to be licensed and everything and

 

           25              I'm just -- I just need you to understand


 

 

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            1              that I answer to more than just yourself.

 

            2              We have to answer to a lot of people and I'm

 

            3              hoping everything is great because I know a

 

            4              lot of people that live in your development,

 

            5              so I hope everything is fine and, again,

 

            6              nothing personal.

 

            7                      MR. MCGOFF: We have a motion to

 

            8              table Item 7-A.

 

            9                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.

 

           10                      MR. MCGOFF: It's been seconded.  All

 

           11              those in favor?

 

           12                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.

 

           13                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.

 

           14                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.

 

           15                      MR. MCGOFF:  Opposed?  No. The ayes

 

           16              have it and so moved.

 

           17                      MS. GATELLI: Thank you.  I'm not

 

           18              going to go through the tree project again.

 

           19              I can't believe the trees for 60,000 is

 

           20              causing such a ruckus.  It's part of the

 

           21              South Side redevelopment plan, it's going

 

           22              into low and moderate income areas,

 

           23              Mr. Santolli who is the city forester can

 

           24              certainly answer any of your questions.  He

 

           25              lives on Prescott Avenue, his phone number


 

 

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            1              is the book.  He will be planting trees that

 

            2              can go on the tree lawn, that will not lift

 

            3              up your sidewalk.  They will be large trees

 

            4              and they are part of the revitalization

 

            5              project in South Scranton.  As you all know,

 

            6              South Scranton has suffered immensely lower

 

            7              South Side in the last several years and we

 

            8              are trying to bring it back as the Hill

 

            9              section was brought back under Mayor

 

           10              Connors, so I feel very strongly about it.

 

           11              I will be voting for it, and if anyone has

 

           12              any questions about the trees, like I said,

 

           13              you can call Mr. Santolli.  Everyone will be

 

           14              asked if they want a tree.  They are not

 

           15              going to be planted in front of a house

 

           16              where no one is going to take care of them.

 

           17              Several years ago as a neighborhood project

 

           18              we planted some trees and they are all

 

           19              surviving.  I can take you to several houses

 

           20              where we have planted them and the people

 

           21              love them, so I will be voting for that.

 

           22                   I'd like to possibly send the mayor a

 

           23              letter, we are always talking about more

 

           24              inspectors and I agree that we certainly

 

           25              need more inspectors in the Community


 

 

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            1              Development Office.  Blight and things of

 

            2              that nature, health issues, are the number

 

            3              one concern of the citizens I believe.  Most

 

            4              calls I get are about abandoned houses,

 

            5              overcrowded houses, and things of that

 

            6              nature, so I think that more inspectors are

 

            7              needed.

 

            8                      And several years ago we met with

 

            9              the mayor about a rental registration

 

           10              program.  We passed it with further

 

           11              legislation to strength up that rental

 

           12              registration program and I really don't see

 

           13              it being administered, so I would like to

 

           14              send a mayor to the letter, you can tell I

 

           15              have a bad cold, I'm out of sorts tonight, I

 

           16              apologize, but I'd like to send a letter and

 

           17              possibly have a meeting with some members of

 

           18              council and Mr. Seitzinger and see if we

 

           19              can't get the rental registration program

 

           20              going full force, maybe we can even hire a

 

           21              contractor to register the homes in the

 

           22              beginning because that's very cumbersome to

 

           23              register all of these rental properties, so

 

           24              that was a thought I had.  We can hire

 

           25              someone and at least get them registered and


 

 

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            1              then we have the money to hire more

 

            2              inspectors.  The way we had figured it out

 

            3              at the time it would generate at least

 

            4              $1 million a year the rental registration

 

            5              program and we could hire quite a few

 

            6              inspectors, so I think we should pursue

 

            7              that.

 

            8                      The only other thing I would like to

 

            9              say is I apologize if I made any erroneous

 

           10              statements last week, but when I worked in

 

           11              city hall certainly the tax bill was

 

           12              separate then I guess.  I don't know because

 

           13              mine comes out of my mortgage so it's just

 

           14              automatically paid, but I know that we had a

 

           15              list of people that did not pay city tax and

 

           16              they paid county tax and school tax so as

 

           17              not to go to sherif's sale, so I'm going to

 

           18              investigate that further and I certainly

 

           19              apologize if I gave any erroneous

 

           20              statements, it wasn't intentional.  You

 

           21              know, if we want to talk about erroneous

 

           22              statements I think a lot of them come from

 

           23              the podium and I never criticize anybody.  I

 

           24              don't say, you know, well, that's not true.

 

           25              So, I would hope that someone could come to


 

 

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            1              me next time and tell me, you know, Judy,

 

            2              you were wrong, here is this facts and

 

            3              figures and, you know, I do apologize.  I

 

            4              didn't mean to that, but, I will investigate

 

            5              it further.  And the houses that are being

 

            6              sold are being sold through the county

 

            7              through the sheriff's sale.  As Mr. McGoff

 

            8              said, not one house was taken from anybody

 

            9              under the city program, so we'll investigate

 

           10              that a little further, too.  And I think

 

           11              that's all I have.  Thank you for being so

 

           12              kind and listening.  And, Ms. McColligan, I

 

           13              think you are wonderful speaker and you

 

           14              sound like you really care about the city

 

           15              and I would work with you any time with your

 

           16              ideas to move the city forward.  Thank you

 

           17              for being so kind and so articulate.  That's

 

           18              all.

 

           19                      MR. MCGOFF: I would like to address

 

           20              a few brief things.  Number one, Mrs. Franus

 

           21              and Mr. Spindler brought up the use of DPW

 

           22              vehicles to transport the paintings during

 

           23              the Linden Street fire.  It is my belief

 

           24              that Mr. Brazil acted in good faith in an

 

           25              attempt to help a business that was in


 

 

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            1              jeopardy.  I don't believe that it was done,

 

            2              at least to my knowledge it was done for any

 

            3              personal gain.  As a matter of fact, I don't

 

            4              know what personal gain Mr. Brazil would

 

            5              have gotten out of that.  I believe, also,

 

            6              that, you know, one of the first duties of

 

            7              the Department of Public Works is to serve

 

            8              the public and certainly any business that

 

            9              is in jeopardy is part of public.  If it so

 

           10              happens that it is a business that has some

 

           11              ties to the mayor or any other member of

 

           12              city administration I think is superfluous

 

           13              to what is being done, but with that said, I

 

           14              will certainly -- if there was any

 

           15              wrongdoing I will look into it, but as I

 

           16              said, I believe and I spoke to Mr. Brazil

 

           17              actually that day and I believe that he was

 

           18              acting in good faith and in no way

 

           19              attempting to usurp funds or anything else

 

           20              from the city.

 

           21                      I too, Mrs. McColligan, would say

 

           22              that I feel that I have attempted to have

 

           23              respect for everyone that speaks at council

 

           24              meetings and have respect for other members

 

           25              of council.  There are instances in which I


 

 

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            1              believe that certain people are being used

 

            2              in ways that are unacceptable.  It certainly

 

            3              is not being done by me, I don't see that

 

            4              it's being done by anyone on council, and it

 

            5              is an unfortunate situation and I think we

 

            6              try to deal with it as best as possible.

 

            7                   And, also, just to respond as maybe as

 

            8              Mrs. Gatelli did and Mrs. Fanucci, are there

 

            9              things that I have done on council that are

 

           10              votes that I have taken that I have

 

           11              questioned?  Probably.  Are there ones for

 

           12              which I am -- that I feel I have made a

 

           13              mistake in questioning them, I feel that the

 

           14              votes that I have made have been

 

           15              responsible.  I don't feel that I have

 

           16              broken any trust and if I did I would

 

           17              certainly make an attempt to rectify it.

 

           18                   And to Mr. DeSarno, again, I know he

 

           19              had to leave, again, I don't think that

 

           20              anyone -- well, I won't speak for anyone

 

           21              else, I have never done anything in any way

 

           22              to try and be ignorant to any speaker or any

 

           23              people in the public.  The answers that I

 

           24              gave to Mr. DeSarno were not copouts.  The

 

           25              answers were honest and forthright.  People


 

 

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            1              may not appreciate them or agree with them,

 

            2              but they are and he asks for our opinions on

 

            3              why we make decisions, I have attempted to

 

            4              do that, to tell him why, and will continue

 

            5              to do so.  And hopefully we will -- people

 

            6              will get -- or we will get the information

 

            7              that's needed for the Keyser Valley or

 

            8              Keyser Avenue project and while that item is

 

            9              tabled tonight I will ask that it be put on

 

           10              the agenda for next week and hopefully by

 

           11              that time people will have received the

 

           12              documentation that they need in order to

 

           13              proceed forward.  And to Mr. Morgan, I took

 

           14              offense at his condemnation of basketball

 

           15              coaches, I have been one for 35 years.  I

 

           16              really -- I'm not insulted.

 

           17                      MS. GATELLI: Mr. McGoff, I would

 

           18              like to interrupt you for a minute, but they

 

           19              did ask Mr. Seitzinger's qualifications and

 

           20              e-mailed to all of council that he was

 

           21              certified for that position with the

 

           22              Department of Labor and Industry, so he did

 

           23              take the proper tests and he is certified

 

           24              for the position, just for the record.

 

           25                      MR. MCGOFF: Mr. Morgan made some


 

 

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            1              comments last week about the fire chief, Tom

 

            2              Davis.  Just, again, maybe for the record or

 

            3              in response, Chief Davis as far as I know

 

            4              did not retire on disability.  And as far as

 

            5              being physically fit to be involved in fires

 

            6              Chief Davis, I run with him on weekends, he

 

            7              is one of the most physically fit persons

 

            8              that I know, especially for a gentleman his

 

            9              age, which is close to mine, and in going

 

           10              backwards on the disability at times there

 

           11              was a point in his firefighting career when

 

           12              he fell off a -- it wasn't during a fire,

 

           13              fell off a roof and was impaled on a fence

 

           14              and returned to work within a month, so I

 

           15              think his dedication to the job and his

 

           16              physical fitness or qualifications were --

 

           17              Mr. Morgan's statements were somewhat

 

           18              misleading.  And, also, I did want to

 

           19              respond to Mr. Gervasi that the information

 

           20              that I presented at the beginning of the

 

           21              meeting was from a representee of the

 

           22              firefighters.  It was not from the

 

           23              administration.  I received information, I

 

           24              was speaking with someone in the

 

           25              firefighters, a member of the firefighters'


 

 

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            1              union, and I was told by that person, a

 

            2              person of some responsibility, that there

 

            3              was never a rejection of the proposal to buy

 

            4              the equipment that was mentioned.  So I was

 

            5              responding based on something and

 

            6              information that I received from

 

            7              firefighters themselves, and that is all I

 

            8              have.  Thank you.

 

            9                      MS. GARVEY: FIFTH ORDER.  NO

 

           10              BUSINESS AT THIS TIME.  SIXTH ORDER.  6-A.

 

           11              READING BY TITLE - FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 13,

 

           12              2008 - AN ORDINANCE - APPROVING THE TRANSFER

 

           13              OF A RESTAURANT LIQUOR LICENSE CURRENTLY

 

           14              OWNED BY N&L VENDING, INC., 143 COUNTRY CLUB

 

           15              ESTATES, THORNHURST, PA, 18424, LICENSE NO.

 

           16              R-11639 TO POWER MACE, INC. FOR USE AT 1175

 

           17              KANE STREET, SCRANTON, PA. THE CURRENT

 

           18              LOCATION OF ANGELINA'S RESTAURANT AS

 

           19              REQUIRED BY THE PENNSYLVANIA LIQUOR CONTROL

 

           20              BOARD.

 

           21                      MR. MCGOFF: You have heard reading

 

           22              by title of Item 6-A, what is your pleasure

 

           23              of.

 

           24                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I move that Item 6-A

 

           25              pass reading by title.


 

 

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            1                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.

 

            2                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?  All

 

            3              those in favor signify by saying aye.

 

            4                      MS. FANUCCI:  Aye.

 

            5                      MS. GATELLI:  Aye.

 

            6                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Aye.

 

            7                      MR. MCGOFF:  Aye.  Opposed?  The

 

            8              ayes have it and so moved.

 

            9                      MS. GARVEY: SEVENTH ORDER.  7-A has

 

           10              been tabled.  We will move to 7-B.  FOR

 

           11              CONSIDERATION BY THE COMMITTEE ON COMMUNITY

 

           12              DEVELOPMENT - FOR ADOPTION - FILE OF COUNCIL

 

           13              NO. 12, 2008 - AMENDING FILE OF COUNCIL NO.

 

           14              49, 2006, ENTITLED, "AN ORDINANCE

 

           15              AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND OTHER APPROPRIATE

 

           16              OFFICIALS OF THE CITY OF SCRANTON TO TAKE

 

           17              ALL NECESSARY ACTIONS TO IMPLEMENT THE

 

           18              CONSOLIDATED SUBMISSION FOR COMMUNITY

 

           19              PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT PROGRAMS (AS

 

           20              AMENDED) TO BE FUNDED UNDER THE COMMUNITY

 

           21              DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT (CDBG) PROGRAM, HOME

 

           22              INVESTMENT PARTNERSHIP (HOME) PROGRAM AND

 

           23              EMERGENCY SHELTER GRANT (ESG) PROGRAM", BY

 

           24              TRANSFERRING $50,000.00 FROM PROJECT NO.

 

           25              96-204 AND $9,493.80 FROM PROJECT NO. 99-212


 

 

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            1              AND $88.75 FROM PROJECT NO. 03-005.9 AND

 

            2              $400.00 FROM PROJECT NO. 05-152 AND $680.59

 

            3              FROM PROJECT NO. 06-182 AND $49.20 FROM

 

            4              PROJECT NO. 06-05.12 FOR A TOTAL AMOUNT OF

 

            5              $60,712.34 TO PROJECT NO. 07-18 TREE

 

            6              PLANTING PROJECT.

 

            7                      MR. MCGOFF:  We neglected to do this

 

            8              at the beginning of the meeting, we do need

 

            9              to have a temporary chair for public works.

 

           10                      MS. GATELLI:  No, we don't because

 

           11              we tabled it.

 

           12                      MR. MCGOFF: Oh, I'm sorry.

 

           13                      MS. GATELLI:  We are on "B".

 

           14                      MR. MCGOFF: Sorry.  What is the

 

           15              recommendation of the chairperson for the

 

           16              Committee on Community Development?

 

           17                      MS. FANUCCI: As chairperson for the

 

           18              Committee on Community Development, I

 

           19              recommend final passage of Item 7-B.

 

           20                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.

 

           21                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?  Roll

 

           22              call, please.

 

           23                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.  Mr.

 

           24              Courtright.

 

           25                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Yes.


 

 

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            1                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.

 

            2                      MS. FANUCCI:  Yes.

 

            3                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Gatelli.

 

            4                      MS. GATELLI: Yes.

 

            5                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.

 

            6                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes.  I hereby declare

 

            7              Item 7-B legally and lawfully adopted.

 

            8                      MS. GARVEY: 7-C. FOR CONSIDERATION

 

            9              BY THE COMMITTEE ON COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT -

 

           10              FOR ADOPTION - RESOLUTION NO. 10. 2008 -

 

           11              ACCEPTING THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE

 

           12              HISTORICAL ARCHITECTURE REVIEW BOARD

 

           13              ("HARB") AND APPROVING THE CERTIFICATE OF

 

           14              APPROPRIATENESS FOR ELITE SIGNS & AWNINGS,

 

           15              220 CLARK ROAD, DURYEA, PA FOR INSTALLATION

 

           16              OF NON-ILLUMINATED SIGNAGE TO BUSINESS

 

           17              FACADE, LOCATED AT 321 LACKAWANNA AVENUE.

 

           18                      MR. MCGOFF: What is the

 

           19              recommendation of the chairperson for the

 

           20              Committee on Community Development?

 

           21                      MS. FANUCCI: As chairperson for the

 

           22              Committee on Community Development, I

 

           23              recommend final passage of Item 7-C.

 

           24                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.

 

           25                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?  Roll


 

 

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            1              call.

 

            2                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.  Mr.

 

            3              Courtright.

 

            4                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Yes.

 

            5                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.

 

            6                      MS. FANUCCI:  Yes.

 

            7                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Gatelli.

 

            8                      MS. GATELLI: Yes.

 

            9                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.

 

           10                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes.  I hereby declare

 

           11              Item 7-C legally and lawfully adopted.

 

           12                      MS. GARVEY: 7-D. FOR CONSIDERATION

 

           13              BY THE COMMITTEE ON RULES - FOR ADOPTION -

 

           14              RESOLUTION NO. 11, 2008 - APPOINTMENT OF

 

           15              MARY T. GARDIER PATERSON, 1030 PARK STREET,

 

           16              SCRANTON, PENNSYLVANIA, 18509, TO THE

 

           17              POSITION OF CITY SOLICITOR EFFECTIVE JANUARY

 

           18              14, 2008.  MS. PATERSON WILL BE REPLACING

 

           19              ROBERT B. FARRELL WHO RESIGNED ON JANUARY

 

           20              11, 2008.

 

           21                      MR. MCGOFF: As chairperson for the

 

           22              Committee on Rules, I recommend final

 

           23              passage of Item 7-D.

 

           24                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.

 

           25                      MR. MCGOFF: On the question?  Roll


 

 

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            1              call, please.

 

            2                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.  Mr.

 

            3              Courtright.

 

            4                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Yes.

 

            5                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.

 

            6                      MS. FANUCCI:  Yes.

 

            7                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Gatelli.

 

            8                      MS. GATELLI: Yes.

 

            9                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.

 

           10                      MR. MCGOFF:  Yes.  I hereby declare

 

           11              Item 7-D legally and lawfully adopted.  Once

 

           12              again, thank you for your participation and

 

           13              cooperation and I would like to ask for a

 

           14              motion to adjourn.

 

           15                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  So moved.

 

           16                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.

 

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            6   notes of testimony taken by me at the hearing of the

 

            7   above-captioned matter and that the foregoing is a true

 

            8   and correct transcript of the same to the best of my

 

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