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1 SCRANTON CITY COUNCIL MEETING

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7 Thursday, May 10, 2007

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10 Council Chambers

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CATHENE S. NARDOZZI- COURT REPORTER
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2 CITY OF SCRANTON COUNCIL:

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MS. JUDY GATELLI, PRESIDENT
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6 MS. JANET E. EVANS

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MS. SHERRY FANUCCI
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9 MR. ROBERT MCGOFF

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MR. WILLIAM COURTRIGHT
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12 MS. KAY GARVEY, CITY CLERK

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MR. NEIL COOLICAN, ASSISTANT CITY CLERK
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15 MR. AMIL MINORA, SOLICITOR

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1 (Pledge of Allegiance and moment of

2 reflection observed.)

3 MS. GATELLI: Roll call.

4 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Evans.

5 MRS. EVANS: Here.

6 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Fanucci.

7 MS. FANUCCI: Here.

8 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. McGoff.

9 MR. MCGOFF: Here.

10 Mr. COOLICAN: Mr. Courtright.

11 MR. COURTRIGHT: Here.

12 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Gatelli.

13 MS. GATELLI: Here. Dispense with

14 the reading of the minutes.

15 MS. GARVEY: THIRD ORDER, 3-A,

16 PETITION FOR PERMIT PARKING IN THE 700 BLOCK

17 OF EAST GIBSON STREET.

18 MS. GATELLI: Are there any

19 comments? If not, received and filed.

20 MS. GARVEY: That's all there is in

21 third order.

22 MS. GATELLI: I'd just like to make

23 a few announcements. If we could possibly

24 do a proclamation there is a West Scranton

25 graduate from the 2004 class at West
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1 Scranton High School who now goes to King's

2 College and he is a wrestler and he recently

3 won the division three national

4 championships, so I'm going to make

5 arrangements so that we get him a

6 proclamation and his name is Dave Morgan and

7 we are very, very proud of him. He also was

8 a very excellent wrestler when he was at

9 West Scranton.

10 The Lackawanna Historical Society is

11 going to have their historic house tour in

12 the Hill on Sunday, June 3, from 11 to 4.

13 For any additional information or to

14 purchase tickets call the historical society

15 at 344-3841. Mr. Mark Kruciani.

16 Mike Wallace, the zoning officer,

17 has sent a second posting to the Scranton

18 Rescue Mission. He states in his letter

19 that on March 7 the Commonwealth Court voted

20 down the rescue mission. It is not to be a

21 place of worship and he is ordering the

22 immediate cessation of any rescue mission

23 business at the Olive Street property, so

24 they have been sent a second notice.

25 On Friday, May 18, there will be a
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1 fund raiser for Matt Grendel at the 20th

2 Ward Club at 2028 Pittston Avenue from 7 to

3 11. On May 20, Sunday, from 12 to 3 at St.

4 Peter and Paul Church there will be a

5 fundraiser for Jonathan Clauss, one of our

6 students at West Scranton High School who

7 was in a bike accident. If anyone needs

8 tickets to that they can see Douglas or

9 myself and we will get tickets for you,

10 otherwise, you can get them at the door.

11 And tomorrow evening May 11 from 6 to 8, one

12 of our teachers at West Scranton High School

13 has written a book of short stories. His

14 name is Frank Esposito, he is also a West

15 Scranton resident and a special ed teacher.

16 He has written a book that was edited by one

17 of our English teachers, Elizabeth D'

18 Francesco, and he is going to have a book

19 signing tomorrow evening 6 to 8 at the Affa

20 Gallery, the Aret Gallery, 514 Lackawanna

21 Avenue.

22 The next thing, I talked to Mark

23 Setizinger on 1013 South Webster Avenue and

24 the owner of the property has signed a

25 contract with a demolition company and she
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1 will be demolishing it within the next

2 month.

3 619 S. Irving, I sent one notice on

4 this. This was a property that had the West

5 Nile's virus last year where the woman

6 passed away and it has been abandoned since

7 then and is in dire need of cleaning so if

8 you could send that again to Mark and

9 Mr. Fiorini, I'm not sure who is who up

10 there, but one of them should take of it.

11 I talked to Mr. Fiorini about Daron

12 Enterprises and he has a meeting scheduled

13 with them tomorrow and then he will get back

14 to council.

15 I also received a document that's a

16 cooperation agreement with one of the

17 properties on 500 block of Lackawanna

18 Avenue. From what I understand, the owners

19 of those properties have been given this

20 agreement. I'm going to have attorney

21 Minora look over this agreement and I spoke

22 with Jimmy Connors, Mayor Connors, and I

23 asked him to contact the Governor and see if

24 we can't get some kind of a meeting so that

25 we know what's going on down there. From
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1 what I have been able to find out no one has

2 signed these agreements, so Mr. Piccolino

3 comes here and, you know, discusses about

4 his property, but from what I can gather no

5 one has signed anything, so I'm not sure if

6 we even have a project down there, you know,

7 so I told Mr. Connors that I thought that he

8 should intercede with the governor and find

9 out exactly what's what with that project.

10 So, I will pass this onto Attorney Minora.

11 As far as the loan, the tax liens that

12 we are going to sell to that company, I know

13 there was an article in the paper today, but

14 we discussed it tonight in caucus because we

15 don't have all of the answers on that issue.

16 It seemed to be that it's two different

17 pieces of legislation although, they came

18 down together. One is to sell the liens,

19 the other one was the "A" to "V" where all

20 of the fees were, those exorbitant fees.

21 Mrs. Evans is going to investigate that a

22 little further for us as the finance chair

23 and some of us seem comfortable going with

24 the MRS and not going with the fee, but I

25 still think they are tied together somehow
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1 and we are not, you know, too clear on that

2 yet, so we are going to do a little more

3 investigating on that this week and see if

4 we can't come up with something on that, and

5 that's all I have. Anyone else?

6 MS. EVANS: Yes. The third annual

7 Scranton School Resource Officer Golf

8 Tournament will be held on Sunday, June 10,

9 2007. There is 12 noon shotgun start.

10 Captain and crew, $300 per team at Pine

11 Hill's Golf Course. Checks can be made

12 payable to Scranton SRO Association and

13 mailed to Scranton High School School, care

14 of Officer John Burgette. Proceeds benefit

15 the Scranton School Resource Officer

16 Association.

17 Again, I draw attention to Scranton

18 and surrounding area veterans of the Korean

19 and Vietnam wars. Interviews will be

20 conducted for the Veteran's history project

21 on May 19, 2007, which is Armed Forces Day

22 at Scranton High School from 9:00 a.m. to

23 4:00 p.m.

24 Also, the Scranton and Lackawanna

25 County Taxpayers and Citizens' Association
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1 is holding a car wash on Saturday, May 12,

2 from 9 to 4 at Scooter's Restaurant on the

3 O'Neill Highway in Dunmore and the proceeds

4 will be used to defray costs for

5 underprivileged youths to have a free swim

6 this summer at Scranton pools.

7 Also, a second fundraiser for the

8 same cause will be held at Flashbacks in

9 downtown Scranton, Sunday, May 27, starting

10 at 8 p.m. There will be a $5 donation at

11 the door and for that amount of money there

12 will be food, dancing and refreshments, and,

13 once again, both are to benefit a free swim

14 program this summer for the children of

15 Scranton. That's all.

16 MS. GATELLI: Thank you. Anyone

17 else? The first speaker is Fay Franas.

18 MS. FRANAS: Fay Franas.

19 Mrs. Gatelli, it's Franas, not Franas or I

20 could say Mrs. Gatelli. Okay. 6-A, what

21 are you deleting and what are you adding?

22 You mentioned in 6-A that are you deleting

23 certain projects and you are adding, but you

24 don't say what they are. It just makes me

25 wonder what you are voting on.
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1 MS. EVANS: Mrs. Franas, I'll jump

2 in, I don't have the information I believe,

3 I'll like through my briefcase, but I have

4 gone through the information very, very

5 carefully, projects deleted and the projects

6 added and they all met with my satisfaction.

7 I don't feel that any state or federal tax

8 dollars are going to be wasted and I can

9 tell you that the flood relief moneys that

10 had originally been deleted are no longer

11 part of that list for a deletion or an

12 addition so evidently they are still

13 available for use for a similar project.

14 MS. FRANAS: Good, and thank you very

15 much. Mrs. Gatelli, I just wanted to say

16 one more thing tonight, in your motions I

17 hope you make a motion like you said last

18 week to extend the speaking for five

19 minutes. Thank you.

20 MS. GATELLI: Mr. Sbaraglia.

21 MR. SBARAGLIA: Andy Sbaraglia,

22 citizen of Scranton, fellow Scrantonians. A

23 little information on this I guess it's

24 about 6-A, reading by title such and such,

25 an order amending file for this program that
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1 is being deleting or added on to it, now,

2 they are deleting I think home buying

3 consulting, they are also deleting

4 historical structures, cleaning or whatever

5 they were under that project. The Everhart

6 Museum lost $32,000. We lost a comfort

7 station at Nay Aug, but over here gross

8 Scranton fund, a half a million dollars, is

9 that where the emergency shelter program was

10 located? I can't find anything about the

11 emergency shelter either being added or

12 deleted. I just wondered if that emergency

13 shelter program was listed under this 500,

14 half a million Scranton Road tomorrow,

15 whatever it was?

16 MS. FANUCCI: No.

17 MS. EVANS: No.

18 MR. SBARAGLIA: Does anybody know

19 what that program did include, because it's

20 quite a -- a half a million dollars is quite

21 a bit and then you come to the other amount

22 Connell Park got 300,000. Citywide

23 infrastructure, I don't know what that is, d

24 that was 200,000. Traditional housing,

25 50,000. Permanent housing, 30,000.
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1 Catholic Social Service, 26,000. Deutsch

2 Institute got 5,226 but no where do I see

3 anything about this emergency shelter

4 program. Exactly where was that money

5 included or is it just a title? Again, I

6 find it listed, either taken away from or

7 given too.

8 MR. GATELLI: It's still there.

9 MR. COURTRIGHT: It might have been

10 left alone. It might have not have been

11 touched. There are many projects that

12 haven't been touched.

13 MR. SBARAGLIA: I realize that, but

14 I also know that that paperwork for that

15 Bethel AM was taken away from them. Surely

16 if that money was still there they could

17 have resubmitted their paperwork and got it

18 because they really took a hit down there.

19 I mean, they came to the Taxpayers'

20 Association which you know is very limited

21 in funds to look for funding for them

22 projects.

23 MS. GATELLI: I believe,

24 Mr. Sbaraglia, that they did get those

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1 MR. SBARAGLIA: They got their full

2 funding, that $175,000.

3 MS. GATELLI: I believe so.

4 MR. SBARAGLIA: Recently?

5 MS. GATELLI: Yes, but I'll find out

6 for sure.

7 MR. SBARAGLIA: Okay. Well, the

8 reverend is here and she could probably

9 explain it. Thank you very much.

10 MS. GATELLI: And the $300,000 for

11 Connell Park that's for the dog park. Sam

12 Patilla.

13 MR. PATILLA: Sam Patilla, Scranton

14 resident, taxpayer. I, too, have questions

15 about 6-A but seeing how Mr. Sbaraglia has

16 more information on that I'll succeed my

17 three minutes to him.

18 MS. GATELLI: Mr. Patilla? Okay?

19 Ron Hellman.

20 MR. HELLMAN: Hello, Council. I was

21 just going to ask almost the same thing Andy

22 got into, but I can ask one other question,

23 there is no sense, how do you get something

24 on the agenda? I have heard people ask

25 this, but does it have to be submitted in
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1 writing or something to you guys?

2 MS. GATELLI: (Nodding head.)

3 MR. HELLMAN: Okay. I got a question

4 for Mr. McGoff real quick, I was told

5 outside before that that's when our time

6 begins when I sign that sheet, is there any

7 truth in that?

8 MR. COURTRIGHT: No.

9 MS. GATELLI: Mr. Hubbard.

10 MR. HUBBARD: That's an awfully

11 expensive dog park. I'm all for a dog park,

12 but $300,00, that's an expensive dog park.

13 MS. GATELLI: It's going to be large.

14 MR. HUBBARD: Anybody, I know you

15 just spoke on that, but really I was just

16 wondering if anybody was any able to even

17 track down that $281,000 that came in out of

18 one project to another project into, but

19 none of it's intended for and advantaged, so

20 there's $281,000 that's designated for a

21 hole in the ground in the East mountain then

22 vanished, so has anybody bothered to track

23 down where it was or --

24 MS. FANUCCI: I called and what they

25 were saying is that they added it into the
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1 East Mountain Project, supposedly that is

2 the same funding, so it is still part of the

3 new East Mountain project which is the other

4 side.

5 MR. HUBBARD: Then why did it come

6 before you guys to combine --

7 MS. FANUCCI: I had to come before

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9 MR. HUBBARD: It did come to combine

10 before you guys to combine it back into the

11 general fund.

12 MS. FANUCCI: Right. It has to come

13 before us so that when they end the program

14 date, it has to be two years or something

15 from the date of the original intent of the

16 money, has to come before us, so that we can

17 reissue it and they can reallocate the

18 money. They cannot do that unless it comes

19 before us.

20 MR. HUBBARD: And then they can

21 reallocate it to the same project even

22 thought they didn't use it, they designated

23 the time they had it.

24 MS. FANUCCI: Right.

25 MR. HUBBARD: And it wasn't
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1 originally designated for that project.

2 MS. FANUCCI: It wasn't.

3 MR. HUBBARD: It was actually what

4 was left over from the $400,000 used to fill

5 the hole on Pittston Avenue, that was the

6 money --

7 MS. FANUCCI: Right.

8 MR. HUBBARD: -- the mayor put up to

9 match.

10 MS. FANUCCI: When he called he

11 thought it was being used, we thought it had

12 a match when he did not have a match.

13 MR. HUBBARD: But it was originally

14 designated as matching funds for a project

15 on Pittston Avenue. It was never originally

16 allocated for East Mountain so when did it

17 suddenly go from Pittston Avenue to East

18 Mountain without coming before you to be

19 reallocated?

20 MS. FANUCCI: I don't believe that we

21 reallocated every penny. They can do that,

22 I believe it was the last legislation,

23 wasn't it, that we did when we had three

24 different projects? That was part of that

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1 MR. HUBBARD: That was actually part

2 of the Pittston Avenue money. What I'm

3 trying to find out is how did the money go

4 from being designated for Pittston Avenue

5 specifically to being designated suddenly

6 for East Mountain?

7 MS. FANUCCI: Once it's freed up I

8 believe they can use it anywhere you want to

9 use it.

10 MR. HUBBARD: But then you told me

11 originally, when this first came up months

12 ago, originally I was told that the money

13 was originally designated for East Mountain.

14 MS. FANUCCI: Well, that was the

15 second --

16 MR. HUBBARD: It was supposed to be

17 used -- -

18 MS. FANUCCI: -- phase of the money.

19 MR. HUBBARD: It was supposed to be

20 used in an allotted amount of time for an

21 emergency flood repair project and then it

22 didn't get used. You tabled it and then it

23 vanished, so it's just sitting there or did

24 they did they do this kind of behind the

25 door transfer to another project that we
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1 don't know. See, there's a lot of I don't

2 know. There's a lot of misinformation going

3 on with this $281,000.

4 MR. COURTRIGHT: Dan, I got to be

5 honest with you, I think what you are saying

6 is correct. I don't think they could have

7 just put it in the East Mountain project

8 without coming before us, so I don't

9 believe, maybe that's their intention, but I

10 don't believe it's sitting in the East

11 Mountain project right now. I could be

12 wrong.

13 MR. HUBBARD: It's that easy for

14 them to say, "Oh, no, we didn't use the

15 $281,000 so we --"

16 MS. GATELLI: You can't go from one

17 place to the other.

18 MR. COURTRIGHT: I don't think they

19 could do that.

20 MR. HUBBARD: So that's what I'm

21 saying, so how did --

22 MS. GATELLI: It is somewhere.

23 MR. HUBBARD: Where did this --

24 MS. GATELLI: It's just no here --

25 MR. HUBBARD: Originally he
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1 designated for the Pittston Avenue hole.

2 MR. MINORA: That's three minutes.

3 MR. HUBBARD: If they can't just move

4 it around on their own then who said it was

5 East Mountain?

6 MS. GATELLI: I'll find out for you

7 by next week.

8 MR. HUBBARD: That's all. Just

9 accountability on where the money came from

10 and where it's going. Thank you.

11 MS. GATELLI: Anyone else?

12 MR. JACKOWITZ: Bill Jackowitz, South

13 Scranton. I just have one question on 6-A,

14 Connell Park, the dog park, I'm in favor of

15 it, I want to make that perfectly clear, my

16 question is, and I have been asked this

17 question by several citizens, I don't know

18 why they are asking me I'm not an elected

19 official, but anyway, they want to know

20 would they be able to walk their dogs in

21 other parks in the City of Scranton because

22 there has been no publicity put out on is

23 con he will park going to be the only park

24 where dogs will be allowed to be walked? If

25 they are going to be allowed to be walked in
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1 other parks then we need to get that

2 publicity out because people do have that

3 question and still walk their dogs at Nay

4 Aug park and West Scranton.

5 MS. GATELLI: The dog park is

6 different than walking your dogs.

7 MS. EVANS: Yes. The dogs are

8 allowed, it's a fenced in area, and I

9 believe that will be two separate areas, one

10 for small dogs and one more larger dogs, and

11 you remove the -- once you go inside you

12 remove the leash from your dogs so that the

13 dog is able to run about in this enclosed

14 area safely and also out of the way of those

15 who are afraid of dogs.

16 Now, I think in all of our park

17 though, as long as your dog is on a leash

18 you are able to walk your dog. I have never

19 heard anything to the contrary.

20 MR. JACKOWITZ: Okay. Can we get

21 that out publically, like maybe in the

22 newspaper or something else so that the dog

23 lovers who would like to go and walk their

24 dogs will know that that, that they can go

25 to the other parks because, like I said, I
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1 don't know how many people ask me that. I

2 didn't have an answer for them.

3 MS. GATELLI: Thank you. Marie

4 Shumaker.

5 MS. SHUMAKER: Marie Shumaker. I

6 have a question on the Nay Aug comfort

7 station. I started coming here largely

8 because of that comfort station several

9 years ago and over the past 6 years, tens of

10 thousands of taxpayer dollars have been

11 invested in that comfort station and I'm

12 questioning why that is being deleted now.

13 Is it because it's finished and those funds

14 are no longer required?

15 MS. GATELLI: Yes.

16 MS. SHUMAKER: It is open now and

17 functioning?

18 MS. GATELLI: This was over the

19 amount.

20 MS. SHUMAKER: So that's a completed

21 project and that was over the amount.

22 MS. GATELLI: I believe so.

23 MS. SHUMAKER: Could you verify that

24 by next week?

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1 money wasn't used in the time frame. Are

2 you up there? Have you gone up there?

3 MS. SHUMAKER: Not yet this year.

4 I'm a little busy with yard work, but I plan

5 to go. Thank you.

6 MS. EVANS: Mrs. Shumaker, while you

7 are here, at a prior meeting, I don't recall

8 how long ago now, but you had made a request

9 to see the budget transfers.

10 MS. SHUMAKER: Yes.

11 MS. EVANS: And I accumulated for you

12 all of those that I have received since the

13 beginning of this new budget year. You will

14 notice there are many, many more that occur

15 from the 2006 budget. In other words,

16 monies within that budget were still being

17 transferred from area to area, line item to

18 line item, throughout 2007. In fact, right

19 until the end of March 2007, and then I have

20 also included those transfers that involved

21 the 2007 budget so if you could like to see

22 those.

23 MS. SHUMAKER: Oh, thank you. I

24 would like to get some. Yes.

25 MS. GATELLI: Is that it?
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1 MS. KRAKE: Good evening, Council.

2 My name is Nancy Krake. My question is on

3 the agenda tonight. First of all, there is

4 money being appropriated for a used fire

5 truck. While I think it's nice that we are

6 getting another vehicle, I don't know why we

7 have to get a used fire truck. The mayor is

8 on his second brand new vehicle and it does

9 have some body damage to it, I really don't

10 know what happened, but I did notice that,

11 and I know that there are several

12 supervisors that have brand new trucks, and

13 that's fine that they have vehicles, but I

14 really think we should be paying a little

15 bit more attention to public safety.

16 My next question is, I think I read

17 pretty well, I really do not understand at

18 all what 6-A says. If anyone would like to

19 explain that I would be very, very grateful

20 or how you feel it reads, anyone on council.

21 MS. GATELLI: The block grant?

22 MS. KRAKE: Yes.

23 MS. GATELLI: And what did you want

24 to know?

25 MS. KRAKE: I do know what it means.
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1 I do not know what each phrase and sentence

2 means. I don't know what the projects are

3 they are deleting. I don't know what

4 projects they are adding. I don't know why

5 we are doing it. I simply would like to

6 know exactly what it is, and before anyone

7 votes on it I'm assuming everyone would have

8 to understand.

9 MS. GATELLI: We did. We met with

10 Mr. Renna was here and explained it. When

11 they have an OECD project you can only -- if

12 doesn't happen within a certain time period

13 you can't spend the money, so you have to

14 transfer it out.

15 MS. KRAKE: Are they explaining why

16 things didn't happen that they need to?

17 MS. GATELLI: No, there is many

18 reasons why projects don't happen. The

19 people don't do them. They don't provide

20 the proper information.

21 MS. KRAKE: Right.

22 MS. GATELLI: Some of them maybe were

23 overfunded and this is excess money that has

24 to be transferred maybe into a project that

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1 MS. KRAKE: Can we make all of --

2 MS. GATELLI: There is a lot of

3 reasons.

4 MS. KRAKE: And I can appreciate

5 that. Can we make all of that public to

6 know exactly --

7 MS. GATELLI: The caucus was public.

8 We did have a public caucus with Mr. Renda.

9 MS. KRAKE: Each one --

10 MS. GATELLI: Yes, he did explain

11 each one.

12 MS. KRAKE: And then the projects

13 that are added?

14 MS. GATELLI: The projects that are

15 added are projects that already exist that

16 needed extra funding or were underfunded at

17 the time. They are not new, as you are

18 speaking, like just new out of the sky.

19 MS. KRAKE: Right.

20 MS. GATELLI: You have to have

21 applied for the money to ever get so it, so

22 they are not projects that weren't ever

23 funded, they were just either underfunded or

24 something of that nature, but they all would

25 have projects in OECD ongoing.
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1 MR. MINORA: Three minutes.

2 MS. KRAKE: Okay. Thank you.

3 MS. GATELLI: You're welcome.

4 MS. EVANS: While we are on that

5 discussion though, aren't we having -- I'm

6 sorry.

7 MS. GATELLI: Bill wanted to talk.

8 MR. COURTRIGHT: I just want to say

9 this, somebody asked last week, Mrs. Krake,

10 about the fire engine, so Neil graciously

11 went down to the Director of Public Safety

12 and got all of the information on the fire

13 engine they are getting. I have it here, I

14 have all of the specifications, there is

15 pictures, and what I'll do is I'll leave it

16 in the office and anybody that would like to

17 see Kay and Neal can ask about it. I can't

18 recall who asked about it last week, but

19 somebody did ask, maybe it was some of the

20 firefighters they are here, now you can see

21 what the truck is going to look like that

22 you are getting, but there is pictures of it

23 here.

24 MS. FANUCCI: And I could also add

25 that is a reserve truck. It's not going to
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1 be the official used truck, it's just on

2 reserve and it's for extra water and to go

3 to the scene and I believe there is only

4 10,000 miles on the truck.

5 MR. COURTRIGHT: There is

6 9,799 miles.

7 MS. FANUCCI: Right. So, I mean, it

8 is in very, very good shape.

9 MR. COURTRIGHT: But there is a whole

10 bunch of pictures if you want.

11 MS. EVANS: I have a question though

12 on pertaining to what Mrs. Krake was

13 discussing. It occurred to me that I

14 believe in the Year 2005, possibly 2004, you

15 may remember, Mr. Courtright, a great deal

16 of funding was allocated to it might have

17 been to Lackawanna Junior College for the

18 lace works. Now, I'm quite sure that we are

19 either dangerously close to the two-year

20 time limit or we have surpassed that time

21 limit, and since much discussion was held

22 tonight about the fact that when a project

23 hasn't been completed within a time line it

24 looses it's funding, what then is the status

25 of that project, because that's a sizable --
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1 MR. COURTRIGHT: It might have been

2 500 or 800, there was a large sum.

3 MS. GATELLI: Block grant or other

4 funding?

5 MS. EVANS: I believe it was CDBG.

6 MR. COURTRIGHT: CDBG.

7 MS. EVANS: And people should also

8 remember that prior to --

9 MS. GATELLI: Pardon, how about West

10 Scranton?

11 MS. EVANS: And that as well.

12 MR. COURTRIGHT: They moved that one.

13 MS. FANUCCI: They did.

14 MS. EVANS: But I think prior to

15 2004, in fact, it was December, November or

16 December of 2003 a sizable amount of money

17 was allocated for the parking garage and, in

18 fact, it was a five-year allocation of I'm

19 going to guess 500,000 per year for five

20 years, so obviously that project absorbs

21 quite a chunk of the funding that's

22 available to OECD and that occurred prior to

23 the seating of any of us tonight.

24 MS. GATELLI: Do you want me to find

25 out about the parking garage? Anyone else?
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1 I'd say Mr. Garvey, but then she just says

2 that, and I say Mrs. Evans. We are going to

3 take out the middleman.

4 MS. EVANS: Good evening. I'd like

5 to wish all of the lovely ladies of our area

6 a very happy Mother's Day and to my own

7 sweet mother, thank you for your constant

8 love and support and for being a wonderful

9 mother, a roll model and my best friend. I

10 love you, Mom.

11 A very wise older gentleman who

12 often has spoken at council over the last

13 three years is currently in the hospital.

14 We wish him a speedy recovery so that he can

15 return to our council podium. I ask you to

16 please to keep Mr. Fred Brizinski in your

17 prayers this week.

18 Now, I'd like to correct a bit of

19 erroneous information once again printed in

20 the Times-Tribune. I am not opposed to the

21 sale of delinquent taxes to municipal

22 revenue sources. I never said I was against

23 the sale. However, I am vigorously opposed

24 to the additional fines, penalties, fees and

25 costs proposed in a separate piece of
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1 legislation. Enough said.

2 I'd also like to thank the Office of

3 Licensing and Inspections for so quickly

4 taking action at the Scranton Rescue Mission

5 on Olive Street. They are to, as Mrs.

6 Gatelli stated earlier, immediately cease

7 operations as a rescue mission. I have

8 received a number of calls about this

9 particular situation and I wanted those

10 residents to know this is being addressed.

11 It is being taken care of.

12 It was brought to my attention this

13 week that the 100 and 200 blocks of Wyoming

14 Avenue, a main artery of your downtown, are

15 in need of attention. In the 100 block two

16 trees were marked for removal and other for

17 trimming. Those that were removed in the

18 past were never replaced. In the 200 block,

19 again, we have the same issues. I don't

20 believe Mr. Santolli receives funding for

21 tree replacements when those needs arise.

22 I'm hoping that landscaping companies and

23 nurseries in the area will donate young

24 trees to beautify these two blocks. Any

25 interested business can contact council's
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1 office at 348-4113 or e-mail me at Janet

2 Evans4@VErizon.net. I sincerely thank the

3 city employee who made me aware of these

4 problems.

5 The summer-like weather and humidity

6 we are enjoying this week was a perfect

7 backdrop for track and field events at

8 Memorial Stadium for children of the

9 Scranton School District. As I watched them

10 excitedly running and jumping on the field I

11 realize that now is the ideal time to

12 provide free swimming in our neighborhood

13 pools for these children, particularly in

14 light of the fact that tax increases from

15 the city and the school district must be

16 paid by their parents. So I feel strongly

17 it's time to take a positive step and a new

18 direction to benefit our working families

19 and the underprivileged of Scranton.

20 Therefore, I move that swimming will be

21 free of charge at all Scranton neighborhood

22 pools effective immediately and that council

23 Solicitor Minora will draft an ordinance for

24 the meeting of May 17 which will be placed

25 into Fifth Order on May 17, 2007.
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1 MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.

2 MS. GATELLI: On the question?

3 MR. COURTRIGHT: I have been for this

4 since day one and we tried to last year and

5 we passed it and for some reason we got

6 nowhere, so maybe if we pass an ordinance it

7 will work.

8 MS. GATELLI: Anyone else? All in

9 favor?

10 MS. EVANS: Aye.

11 MS. FANUCCI: Aye.

12 MR. MCGOFF: Aye.

13 MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.

14 MS. GATELLI: Aye. Opposed? The

15 ayes have it and so moved.

16 MS. EVANS: Thank you. A letter was

17 sent to Mr. Parker, the DPW Director, on May

18 7 regarding the Meadow Creek project in

19 Greenridge and the rude treatment of two

20 taxpayers. Mr. Parker has been asked to

21 call them and explain the project. I asked

22 that these ladies contact me to confirm this

23 conversation with Mr. Parker or to report

24 the lack thereof.

25 I respectfully request that my
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1 Honorable colleagues consider amending the

2 2007 operating budget to provide for a

3 $25,000 donation to Channel 61 Scranton

4 Today. This sum can be deducted from the

5 ComCast franchise fee. I ask that you would

6 consider this and arrive at a decision by

7 May 31 so that legislation could be drafted

8 and approved in June 2007.

9 Finally, I have very few citizens

10 request for the week: A letter to

11 Mr. Brazil, Parks and Recreation Director,

12 please forward a copy of the lease for Sloan

13 Fields. Also, when will the machinery to

14 aerate the infield and outfield at Sloan

15 arrive? The commitment to both was made on

16 April 30, 2007. Provide the lease and a

17 written response before the May 17, 2007,

18 city council meeting.

19 At 915-917 Greenridge Street a house

20 was condemned and demolished at that address

21 within the last several months. Neighbors

22 are very interested in purchasing the

23 property ASAP. Please send a memo to

24 Mr. Setizinger requesting a response and I

25 do have contact numbers for him with the
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1 potential buyers.

2 Rolland Avenue between Burke Street

3 and Cherry Street, residents report that the

4 curb was destroyed as a result of snow

5 plowing and the debris from the curb remains

6 on the side of the road. Because of the

7 lack of curb water runoff is destroying

8 properties and flooding basements. Since

9 the East Mountain area is scheduled for

10 street cleaning later this month, residents

11 request the removal of the debris and the

12 reinstallation of the curb in that area of

13 Rolland Avenue. Send a letter to Mr. Parker

14 and request a written response by May 30,

15 2007, and that's it.

16 MS. GATELLI: Mrs. Fanucci?

17 MS. FANUCCI: I only have one thing

18 to address and for Mr. Hubbard and he is not

19 here, okay, his mom is going to get him.

20 Daniel, I wanted to address what you were

21 speaking about with OECD and the money. The

22 reason we were aware where that money was

23 going was because you had inquired about

24 worrying about the fact that the flood

25 project was not getting what you felt
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1 deserved money. Like you said, you were

2 worried that we didn't have a place to put

3 the money. When we asked them where this

4 money was specifically going he said it will

5 be going to East Mountain. That's how we

6 found out it was going to East Mountain was

7 in a caucus, so he actually told us that

8 because I was inquiring because we were

9 worried about the fact that this money was

10 not allocated for a flood project and the

11 especially with the situation that you have

12 had, we were worried about the fact that we

13 weren't using the funding properly, so

14 that's how we found out where this money is

15 going to be allocated, so I just wanted you

16 to know.

17 MR. HUBBARD: Yeah, it's not even the

18 flood money going to us in lower Greenridge

19 to help us, it's just the fact the money is

20 just easily just bounced around from one

21 project to the other and no direction.

22 MS. FANUCCI: Right. The reason I

23 got told we have to free up money and put it

24 in a different account and in a different

25 place is because whatever project is ready
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1 to go that's where you have to put the

2 money, so that's how we found out where

3 money was going --

4 MR. HUBBARD: It just seems like

5 there's a lot of transferring of funds from

6 one project --

7 MS. FANUCCI: You have to.

8 MR. HUBBARD: -- to another in the

9 city without people being fully aware of

10 what's going on.

11 MS. FANUCCI: You have to transfer it

12 all the time, that's part of it and really

13 that is all I have I just wanted to clear

14 that up for you.

15 MR. HUBBARD: I'm all for

16 transferring money as long as people know

17 what's going on.

18 MS. GATELLI: Mr. McGoff.

19 MR. MCGOFF: Thank you. I only have

20 one brief comment and it has to do with the

21 tabled legislation dealing with delinquent

22 taxes and the mayor's comments about this

23 tabled legislation having some political

24 motivation are absolutely erroneous. There

25 was no political motivation for this
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1 legislation being kept off the agenda.

2 Presented as separate items I was prepared

3 to vote on these items the night they were

4 presented. However, there was some concern

5 that there was a connection between the

6 two-pieces of legislation and these

7 questions needed to have answers, and so the

8 legislation was tabled.

9 As these questions are answered or

10 will be answered that's when the legislation

11 will return to us. We discussed it this

12 evening, some of the questions that we had

13 about it have been answered, and some others

14 haven't, and I think most of us on the

15 council are prepared to vote on each of

16 those pieces of legislation, but we weren't

17 going to vote on them without the

18 information that was required. There was

19 absolutely no political motivation for

20 having that tabled and so I just wanted to

21 make that clear and make it clear to the

22 mayor and that's all. Thank you.

23 MS. GATELLI: Mr. Courtright?

24 MR. COURTRIGHT: Kay, I believe we

25 need to send this to PennDOT. I had asked a
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1 couple of people asking about the 1200 block

2 of North Keyser Avenue, there is a drainage

3 project going on there due to flooding and

4 it's kind of at a standstill now for quite

5 awhile if you can ask what the status is on

6 that project, and one for Mr. Parker, if we

7 could, Greenbush Street and also Reese

8 Street in North Scranton there is some

9 severe problems there, if they can send

10 somebody up to take a look at it.

11 Evidently some people have been

12 getting some bills for the Sewer Authority

13 and so it generated some calls to me and I'm

14 just going to read the response I got, I

15 believe Sue got this morning. People are

16 getting sewer bills say, for instance, they

17 are not living in the home or someone passed

18 away and there is nobody residing in the

19 home and they are getting a sewer bill which

20 turned out to be a minimal charge bill.

21 Now, this is just a brief note that Sue had

22 gotten from me, as long as the property or

23 home has a water meter they will receive a

24 sewer bill. It will be a minimal usage

25 bill. If the water meter is removed then
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1 there will be no more sewer bill. That

2 would be your option to avoid the monthly

3 charge for sewer bill. In the past

4 customers were always billed for this, and

5 they put a new system in and I guess the new

6 system didn't catch this and recently in the

7 March of 2007 meeting they reinstituted it

8 where if you have a meter on your house,

9 even though if you are not using any water,

10 you are going to get a minimal charge sewer

11 bill.

12 So if by some chance there is none

13 residing in your home and you are getting a

14 sewer bill, have the meter disconnected and

15 you will no longer get a minimal charge for

16 the sewer bill, so anybody that has that

17 situation that's what you would need to do.

18 In the next couple of weeks I'll speak

19 with Mr. Parker, there has been a problem

20 for many, many years up on Pittston Avenue

21 back on Kane Street with the flooding, and I

22 talked to a couple of neighbors, some people

23 had some suggestions, some people had some

24 answers and my understanding is that

25 Mr. Parker did -- was supposed to do anyway,
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1 a survey on that and see what could be done,

2 so I'll speak with him in the next couple of

3 weeks.

4 About two weeks ago I approached the

5 parking lot of the police department

6 downtown here, and if you drive through

7 there and take a look there are some cars

8 that look really nice and some cars, let me

9 use the right adjective here so I don't get

10 in trouble, they don't look as nice, let's

11 say that, and the reason being is the cars

12 that look really nice are the cars the

13 police officers purchased themselves. Those

14 cars look terrific, so I did a little bit of

15 research and the average cost of what these

16 officers that bought their own vehicles,

17 they paid for them out of their own pocket

18 was approximately $7,500, that was on

19 average, and I checked out a little bit

20 further how did they go about getting them,

21 they went on-line, they went on the

22 Internet, they bought them that way, many

23 police departments have to after 50,000 or

24 60,000 miles gets rid of the cars not that

25 there is anything wrong, but that's just
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1 their policy. One officer lifted up the

2 hood of the car so I could look at the

3 engine, the car looks brand new, so 60,000

4 miles to Scranton that's nothing, most of

5 our cars were 100,000 miles.

6 This council passed legislation

7 recently moving from 5,000 that they would

8 be allowed to spend 10,000. I also found

9 out there was two vehicles on the Internet,

10 on-line, for approximately $9,700, each one

11 had 60,000 miles, so this city would have

12 been able to go out and buy two vehicles,

13 they wouldn't have to come to us for

14 approval, and they have two very nice

15 vehicles. So I would just like to suggest

16 to the mayor maybe if we have the Director

17 of Public Safety and the police chief look

18 into buying some of these vehicles, you

19 know, we would probably get four vehicles

20 for the cost of one new one and they are

21 sorely needed and I think the legislation

22 that we all passed here, you know, could

23 help do that. If these officers can do it

24 on their own, I can't see why we can't do it

25 here as a city. Now, object slice, no money
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1 would be allocated, but 30, $40,000 for four

2 or five cars that's a good deal and I think

3 the city should find the money to fund these

4 vehicles.

5 And lastly, I would just like to say

6 happy Mother's Day to my mom and to my wife.

7 That's all I have. Thank you very much.

8 MS. EVANS: Mrs. Gatelli, I forgot

9 one thing, I'm sorry.

10 MS. GATELLI: Go ahead.

11 MS. EVANS: A gentleman had E-Mailed

12 me about his EMS tax rebate and I have

13 misplaced that so if he could please do so

14 again. Now, as I said, this was a 2006

15 refund I should say, and he has not received

16 it. I'm sure there are others who have not

17 as well, but if you would please if you are

18 listening send that to me again I will take

19 it down myself and look into it with the tax

20 collector and find out what the problem is

21 and I get that for you as quickly as

22 possible. Thank you.

23 MS. GATELLI: You are welcome.

24 Before I make any other motions, I'D just

25 like to wish everyone a happy Mother's Day
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1 and just say that I'm very jealous that you

2 have mothers because my mother is no longer

3 here and it's a very sad day for people that

4 don't have a mother any longer and so I'd

5 like to wish those people to have a very

6 nice day as I will with my children and my

7 grandchildren, but when your mother is gone

8 there is a little piece of you that's gone

9 too, so to those people that don't have a

10 mother just try to pray that she is in a

11 better place.

12 And I'd like to, I stated last week

13 that I would consider extending the time for

14 the speakers at the -- and move it all to

15 the end of the meeting, so I'm going to make

16 a motion to suspend the rules, that we have

17 public participation in Seventh Order and

18 that we --

19 MR. MINORA: Eighth.

20 MS. GATELLI: Eighth order? Yeah, it

21 is Seventh Order because we moved the fourth

22 around. Let me state it again, that we move

23 public participation to Seventh Order where

24 you will be able to talk about agenda items

25 and regular items, most people don't talk
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1 about agenda items so I see your point and

2 that will give you a few extra minutes to

3 speak before council, so I make that motion.

4 MS. EVANS: Second.

5 MS. GATELLI: On the question? All

6 in favor?

7 MS. EVANS: Aye.

8 MS. FANUCCI: Aye.

9 MR. MCGOFF: Aye.

10 MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.

11 MS. GATELLI: Aye. Opposed? The

12 ayes have it and so moved. And that's all I

13 have.

14 MS. GARVEY: We're discussing the

15 agenda right now, this will take place next

16 week a new agenda so all of the orders will

17 be changed.

18 MS. GATELLI: It will be Seventh

19 Order. And if doesn't work out then we'll

20 try something else again, okay? See how we

21 make out. Mrs. Garvey?

22 MS. GARVEY: FIFTH ORDER. There is

23 no business at this time. SIXTH ORDER.

24 6-A. READING BY TITLE - FILE OF COUNCIL NO.

25 90, 2007 - AN ORDINANCE - AMENDING FILE OF
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1 COUNCIL NO. 155 OF 2005, ENTITLED, "AN

2 ORDINANCE AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND OTHER

3 APPROPRIATE OFFICIALS OF THE CITY OF

4 SCRANTON TO TAKE ALL NECESSARY ACTIONS TO

5 IMPLEMENT THE CONSOLIDATED SUBMISSION FOR

6 COMMUNITY PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT PROGRAMS

7 (AS AMENDED) TO BE FUNDED UNDER THE

8 COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT (CDGB)

9 PROGRAM, HOME INVESTMENT PARTNERSHIP (HOME)

10 PROGRAM AND EMERGENCY SHELTER GRANT (ESG)

11 PROGRAM", BY DELETING CERTAIN PROJECTS AND

12 ADDING CERTAIN PROJECT."

13 MS. GATELLI: You have heard Reading

14 by Title 6-A, what is your pleasure?

15 MR. COURTRIGHT: I move that 6-A pass

16 reading by title.

17 MS. FANUCCI: Second.

18 MS. GATELLI: On the question? All

19 those in favor?

20 MS. EVANS: Aye.

21 MS. FANUCCI: Aye.

22 MR. MCGOFF: Aye.

23 MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.

24 MS. GATELLI: Aye. Opposed? The

25 ayes have it and so moved.
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1 MS. GARVEY: 6-B. READING BY TITLE -

2 FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 91, 2007 - AN ORDINANCE

3 - AMENDING FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 66, 2--6, AN

4 ORDINANCE "ENTITLED GENERAL CITY OPERATING

5 BUDGET 2007" BY TRANSFERRING $45,000 FROM

6 ACCOUNT NO. 01.401.15313.4299 (DEBT SERVICE

7 OPERATING EXPENSES) TO ACCOUNT NO.

8 01.011.0078.4550 (DEPARTMENT OF FIRE CAPITAL

9 EXPENDITURES) TO PROVIDE FUNDING TO COVER

10 THE COST FOR A USED FIRE TRUCK."

11 MS. GATELLI: You have heard Reading

12 by Title of 6-B, what is your pleasure?

13 MR. COURTRIGHT: I move that 6-B pass

14 reading by title.

15 MS. FANUCCI: Second.

16 MS. GATELLI: On the question? All

17 those in favor?

18 MS. EVANS: Aye.

19 MS. FANUCCI: Aye.

20 MR. MCGOFF: Aye.

21 MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.

22 MS. GATELLI: Aye. Opposed? The

23 ayes have it and so moved.

24 MS. GARVEY: 6-C. READING BY TITLE -

25 FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 93, 2007 - AN ORDINANCE
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1 - SALE OF TAX DELINQUENT PROPERTY AT KEYSER

2 AVENUE AND WASHBURN STREET, SCRANTON,

3 PENNSYLVANIA, TO HAROLD KAPELAN, 1321

4 DARTMOUTH STREET, SCRANTON, PENNSYLVANIA,

5 18504, FOR THE SUM OF $700.00.

6 MS. GATELLI: You have heard Reading

7 by Title of 6-C what is your pleasure?

8 MR. COURTRIGHT: I move that Item 6-C

9 pass reading by title.

10 MS. FANUCCI: Second.

11 MS. GATELLI: On the question? All

12 those in favor?

13 MS. EVANS: Aye.

14 MS. FANUCCI: Aye.

15 MR. MCGOFF: Aye.

16 MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.

17 MS. GATELLI: Aye. Opposed? The

18 ayes have it and so moved.

19 MS. GARVEY: 6-D. READING BY TITLE -

20 FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 94, 2007 - AN ORDINANCE

21 - SALE OF TAX DELINQUENT PROPERTY AT KEYSER

22 AVENUE BY WASHBURN STREET, SCRANTON,

23 PENNSYLVANIA, TO HAROLD KAPELAN, 1321

24 DARTMOUTH STREET, SCRANTON, PENNSYLVANIA,

25 18504, FOR THE SUM OF $1,100.00.
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1 MS. GATELLI: You have heard Reading

2 by Title of 6-D, what is your pleasure?

3 MR. COURTRIGHT: I move that Item

4 6-D pass Reading by Title.

5 MS. FANUCCI: Second.

6 MS. GATELLI: On the question? All

7 those in favor?

8 MS. EVANS: Aye.

9 MS. FANUCCI: Aye.

10 MR. MCGOFF: Aye.

11 MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.

12 MS. GATELLI: Aye. Opposed? The

13 ayes have it and so moved.

14 MS. GARVEY: 6-E. READING BY TITLE -

15 FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 95, 2007 - AN ORDINANCE

16 - SALE OF TAX DELINQUENT PROPERTY ON HORATIO

17 AVENUE, SCRANTON, PENNSYLVANIA, TO HAROLD

18 KAPELAN, 1321 DARTMOUTH STREET, SCRANTON,

19 PENNSYLVANIA, 18504, FOR THE SUM OF

20 $1,300.00.

21 MS. GATELLI: You have heard Reading

22 by Title of Item 6-E, what is your pleasure?

23 MR. COURTRIGHT: I recommend that 6-E

24 pass Reading by Title.

25 MS. FANUCCI: Second.
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1 MS. GATELLI: On the question? All

2 those in favor?

3 MS. EVANS: Aye.

4 MS. FANUCCI: Aye.

5 MR. MCGOFF: Aye.

6 MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.

7 MS. GATELLI: Aye. Opposed? The

8 ayes have it and so moved.

9 MS. GARVEY: 6-F. READING BY TITLE -

10 FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 96, 2007 - AN ORDINANCE

11 - SALE OF TAX DELINQUENT PROPERTY AT 617

12 PITTSTON AVENUE, SCRANTON, PENNSYLVANIA, TO

13 MARK A. AND LYNN M. SANDY, 918 BEECH STREET,

14 SCRANTON, PENNSYLVANIA, 18505, FOR THE SUM

15 OF $5,000.

16 MS. GATELLI: You have heard Reading

17 by Title of 6-F, what is your pleasure?

18 MR. COURTRIGHT: I move that Item

19 6-F pass Reading by Title.

20 MS. FANUCCI: Second.

21 MS. GATELLI: On the question? All

22 in favor?

23 MS. EVANS: Aye.

24 MS. FANUCCI: Aye.

25 MR. MCGOFF: Aye.
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1 MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.

2 MS. GATELLI: Aye. Opposed? The

3 ayes have it and so moved.

4 MS. GARVEY: SEVENTH 0RDER. 7.A --

5 FOR CONSIDERATION BY THE COMMITTEE ON RULES

6 - FOR ADOPTION - RESOLUTION NO. 145, 2007 -

7 AUTHORIZING CHANGES TO THE FEE SCHEDULE OF

8 SECTION 104 (A) (5) OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE

9 OF 1993 TO INCREASE THE FILING FEES AND

10 CHANGE THE SPECIAL HEARING FEES.

11 MS. GATELLI: As Chair for the

12 Committee on Rules, I recommend final

13 passage of 7-A.

14 MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.

15 MS. GATELLI: On the question? Roll

16 call.

17 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Evans.

18 MRS. EVANS: Here.

19 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Fanucci.

20 MS. FANUCCI: Here.

21 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. McGoff.

22 MR. MCGOFF: Here.

23 Mr. COOLICAN: Mr. Courtright.

24 MR. COURTRIGHT: Here.

25 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Gatelli.
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1 MS. GATELLI: Yes. I hereby declare

2 7-A legally and lawfully adopted.

3 MS. GARVEY: 7-B. FOR CONSIDERATION

4 BY THE COMMITTEE ON COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT -

5 FOR ADOPTION - RESOLUTION NO. 146, 2007 -

6 ACCEPTING THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE

7 HISTORICAL ARCHITECTURE REVIEW BOARD

8 ("HARB") AND APPROVING THE CERTIFICATE OF

9 APPROPRIATENESS FOR SPANO CONSTRUCTION, 1012

10 PRICE STREET, SCRANTON, PA 18504 FOR FACADE

11 REPAIR ON THE COMMUNITY BAKE SHOP, LOCATED

12 AT 321 LACKAWANNA AVENUE, SCRANTON, PA

13 18503.

14 MS. GATELLI: What is the

15 recommendation of the Chair on Community

16 Development?

17 MS. FANUCCI: As Chairperson for the

18 Committee on Community Development, I

19 recommend final passage of Item 7-B.

20 MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.

21 MS. GATELLI: On the question? Roll

22 call.

23 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Evans.

24 MRS. EVANS: Yes.

25 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Fanucci.
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1 MS. FANUCCI: Yes.

2 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. McGoff.

3 MR. MCGOFF: Yes.

4 Mr. COOLICAN: Mr. Courtright.

5 MR. COURTRIGHT: Yes.

6 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Gatelli.

7 MS. GATELLI: Yes. I hereby declare

8 7-B legally and lawfully adopted.

9 MS. GARVEY: EIGHTH ORDER. CITIZEN

10 PARTICIPATION II. GENERAL CITIZEN ISSUES.

11 MS. GATELLI: Mrs. Franas.

12 MS. FRANAS: Fay Franas, Scranton.

13 I'm confused here. The five minutes doesn't

14 start tonight? And we don't get the three

15 minutes before we just get five minutes

16 total then?

17 MS. GATELLI: Yes.

18 MS. FANUCCI: I'd like to thank you

19 and my baby would like to thank you for this

20 dog park, and I really mean that. A lot of

21 people concerned about this, oh, suppose

22 your dog starts fighting. Most people that

23 have a dog that fights wouldn't take their

24 dog to a dog park. I mean, my boy, they

25 just like to socialize, so we'll see how it
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1 works out, but thank you very much,

2 especially Mrs. Evans you have been fighting

3 for this for five years for me and I

4 appreciate it and you have done a lot of

5 work. Thank you.

6 MS. EVANS: You are welcome.

7 MS. FRANAS: Another thing, I work

8 down in Wilkes-Barre, I want to say this

9 quick because I don't want to use up my

10 three minutes, I work down in the

11 Wilkes-Barre/Kingston area every other month

12 and every time I'm down there everyday of

13 the week they are cleaning streets,

14 everyday. In other words, every street gets

15 cleaned once a week. They have a code

16 enforcement officer, and I stopped and

17 talked to one of them today. They could do

18 it, I mean, like say my street could be like

19 Tuesday. Our code enforcement officer will

20 go in the front of the street cleaner and if

21 somebody is parked -- they have to park on

22 the opposite side of the street the day that

23 their street gets cleaned, and if they are

24 not moved then the code enforcement officer

25 gives them a ticket. I don't know why
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1 Scranton can't get this, they can get some

2 revenue, and I have gotten my street cleaned

3 maybe once in 30 years, so I can't even

4 comprehend this why we don't have this in

5 Scranton if they can do that down there so

6 efficiently. It's wonderful. I mean, why

7 are we so -- why can't we do this? I mean,

8 would somebody please -- whoever would look

9 into this please? If they can do it, we can

10 do it.

11 Another thing. Mrs. Gatelli, I'd

12 like to ask you, did you meet with the

13 unions, Tom Jennings, last weekend?

14 MR. GATELLI: No, it wasn't last

15 weekend.

16 MS. FANUCCI: Well, two weekends ago.

17 Did you meet with the union people and Tom

18 Jennings by yourself?

19 MS. GATELLI: Yes.

20 MS. FANUCCI: Do you have a right to

21 do that?

22 MS. GATELLI: Yeah. I can meet with

23 whoever I want as long as there is not more

24 than three council people.

25 MS. FRANAS: As long as you're - say
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1 that again?

2 MS. GATELLI: As long as there is

3 not--

4 MS. FRANAS: I can't hear you,

5 that's why I'm asking.

6 MS. GATELLI: As long as there is not

7 three council people you can meet with

8 whoever you would like.

9 MS. FRANAS: You could as yourself,

10 maybe I'm confused, but I'd like to read

11 this from the Home Rule Charter, Section

12 609: "Council shall deal with all

13 administration agencies and employees only

14 as a body through the mayor. No individual

15 council person shall have any authority

16 whatsoever under this charter unless such

17 authority is specifically designated by the

18 charter or by council acting as body."

19 Now --

20 MS. GATELLI: Am I --

21 MS. FRANAS: Don't you have to have

22 council authority to meet with the union

23 representatives and the union?

24 MS. GATELLI: I don't believe so. I

25 don't need council's authority to meet with
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1 neighborhood groups. I don't see why -- -

2 MS. FRANAS: Neighborhood is not the

3 same thing as city business.

4 Neighborhood -- council has nothing

5 whatsoever to do with neighborhoods. This

6 is negotiations with unions.

7 MS. GATELLI: It wasn't an

8 association, no, it wasn't.

9 MS. FRANAS: Were you just talking

10 over contracts and stuff, the firemen and

11 the police?

12 MS. GATELLI: We were discussing the

13 impacts.

14 MR. MINORA: Three minutes.

15 MS. FRANAS: Three minutes?

16 MR. MINORA: Three minutes.

17 MS. GATELLI: Thank you. Mike

18 Dudek. I'll have Attorney Minora check that

19 out.

20 MS. FRANAS: I'd like an answer on

21 this, if you would.

22 MS. GATELLI: I would.

23 MS. FRANAS: And you've been very

24 nice and I'm expecting maybe popcorn and

25 soda next time.
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1 MR. DUDEK: My names is Mike Dudek,

2 608 Depot Street. I live here in the Plot

3 and I have before me the current issue of

4 the union news. This is one publication

5 that doesn't have to scream at you. It can

6 put an article on Page 14 and it can still

7 rivet your eyes right out of your head. The

8 article on the I'm referring to, "MSA

9 civilian labor force declines by 18 percent

10 since 1994."

11 And basically what the article

12 points out is that the Scranton area at one

13 time had 339,000 people between the ages of

14 18 and 65 employed. Now, the MSA, the

15 Metropolitan statistical area, considers

16 Scranton/Wilkes-Barre/Hazelton and the towns

17 in-between, 339,000 workers. Today that

18 number is down to 275,400. We have lost

19 18.76 percent of our wage earners moving to

20 other locations. Similarly, the

21 Allentown/Bethlehem/Easton metropolitan

22 statistical area grew from 268,000 workers

23 in December of '94 to a current number of

24 414,000 people working in jobs, people who

25 were between the ages of 18 and 65, working
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1 at full 40-hour a week jobs.

2 I want to read a couple of

3 quotations here. According to Joe Merlina,

4 Department of Labor and Industry Center of

5 Workplace Information Analysis, this is a

6 quote, "With the Interstate highway system

7 with proximity to a major metropolitan area

8 such as New York, Philadelphia and Boston,

9 I'm perplexed while the local job market and

10 worker's wages are not better than they are

11 in Northeastern, Pennsylvania. Maybe the

12 economic leaders from Northeastern

13 Pennsylvania should travel to the Lehigh

14 Valley and learn from them how they were

15 able to turn things around and have a strong

16 job market," says Mr. Molina.

17 Doesn't that say a lot for the

18 Scranton Chamber of Commerce and Austin

19 Burke, and I have been up here many a time

20 complaining about this group, how it has

21 been a drag on our economy. One of their

22 favorite little techniques is to tell an

23 employer like Kane Warehouse or Sigma up in

24 Olyphant, "You don't have to pay your

25 workers $15 an hour, fire them, just get rid
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1 of them," but then have them go to one of --

2 MR. MINORA: Three minutes.

3 MR. DUDEK: -- the employment

4 agencies and rehire them back for $7 an hour

5 without benefits."

6 That's a part of this, and I will

7 speak more to this next week.

8 MS. GATELLI: Thank you, Mike.

9 MR. MILLER: Good evening, Council,

10 Doug Miller. Just an announcement to start

11 off. There will be a car wash sponsored by

12 the Scranton Junior City Council and the

13 Scranton Lackawanna County Taxpayers and

14 Citizens Association this Saturday, May 12

15 at Scooter's Hot Dawg Hut in Dunmore, 1228

16 O'Neill Highway. Mr. Bolus has donated hot

17 dogs which will be on sale for $1.25. All

18 proceeds will go to towards the free

19 swimming campaign for the children of

20 Scranton and Lackawanna County. I would

21 like to invite council, the mayor, his

22 administration, the administration from

23 Lackawanna County, we think it's important

24 that you are there to support this project

25 and, again, it's this Saturday from 9 to 4
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1 at Scooter's and hopefully we have will

2 support and see people there.

3 On behalf of the Junior Council I

4 would like to thank the following: Noah

5 Landcroft, Michael Burke, Miller Bean

6 Funeral Home and Albert Hazzouri for their

7 generous donations towards our children's

8 handicapped accessible project at Nay Aug

9 Park. Your support is greatly appreciated

10 and we continue to ask for support and

11 donations and, again, you can send your

12 contributions here to city hall, 341

13 Washington Avenue, Scranton, PA, 18503. In

14 order to make this dream come free for the

15 handicapped children we need your support.

16 Tuesday is Election Day so I'd like

17 to sort of education the voters on the

18 write-in campaigns. As we know, we have

19 five candidates who are running write-in

20 campaigns this year. Republicans or

21 Democrats your ballot will appear will you

22 have a list of all your candidates, in the

23 very last box you will see the write-in box.

24 You will click on the write-in box and the

25 screen will appear where you will have the
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1 opportunity to type in the candidates' name.

2 The very last screen that will appear on

3 your voting machine will show every

4 candidate that you voted for so if you have

5 a spelling error from your write-in you can

6 go back and change it. It's a very easy

7 process. I thought it was important being

8 that we had so many write-in candidates that

9 I educate the voters on this because this is

10 new to the voters and it's a very easy

11 process, so I thought I would walk everybody

12 through it. Thank you.

13 MS. GATELLI: You better be careful,

14 Charlie Spano will be mad, you will be

15 taking his job. Tova Weiss.

16 MS. WEISS: Hi. My name is Tova

17 Weiss and I'm a resident of Scranton, a

18 proud resident of Scranton, and also work in

19 Scranton by coordinating programs for the

20 Holocaust Education Resource Center of the

21 Jewish Federation and tonight I'm here

22 representing not just the Holocaust Resource

23 Center, but also the Albright Memorial

24 Library and Lackawanna College because I

25 would like to extend an invitation to
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1 council members, to the mayor, to those

2 sitting here, to all Scranton area residents

3 to a wonderful program that is coming up

4 this Monday night at Lackawanna College,

5 7:00 at the Mellow Theatre at Lackawanna

6 college. The program which is called the

7 Secret of Priests Grotto, a holocaust

8 survival story, is actually a slide show and

9 author talk by two men, an explorer and a

10 photojournalist, who discovered something

11 incredible. Christas Nicoli Leeks, an

12 explorer who is really of the premier

13 explorers in the United States was the first

14 to go to the Ukraine, Western Ukraine after

15 the fall of the Soviet Union and in

16 exploring the nine largest cave system in

17 the world he found some very unusual

18 artifacts and ten years of research lead him

19 to uncover those secrets. He then was

20 joined by Peter Lane Taylor, who is a

21 photojournalist and filmmaker, they traveled

22 back to do more exploring. They also spoke

23 with survivors, 38 people who survived the

24 Holocaust in that cave in unbelievable

25 conditions and they will be telling the
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1 story, it's a combination of science,

2 adventure and a very, very human story, so I

3 really hope that you pass the word to others

4 as well and I hope to see you there and 7:00

5 Monday night at Lackawanna College. Thank

6 you.

7 MS. GATELLI: Thank you very much.

8 MR. COURTRIGHT: Jimmy? I can't hear

9 you.

10 MR. STUCKARD: I said how are you

11 doing Courtright?

12 MR. COURTRIGHT: Good, Jim. How are

13 you?

14 MR. STUCKARD: I want to know about

15 that light, they gave me a note on it.

16 Where I live at we need a -- Joe from the

17 neighborhood, Joe, the guy who works there,

18 he wants to get a light put on a pole it's

19 real dark on that street.

20 MR. COURTRIGHT: All right, Jimmy.

21 MR. STUCKARD: And I want to know

22 about -- I want to know about maybe he can

23 have it done, maybe you can look at the

24 light or have somebody look at it and

25 because of the PPL company, all right, and I
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1 have a guy named Sam that maybe he's, Sam, I

2 don't know his name, he has some pizza guy,

3 Sammy, I don't know his name. What's his

4 name, Miss?

5 MS. HUBBARD: Oh, Samario's Pizza.

6 MR. STUCKARD: Samario's Pizza on

7 Providence Square and he told me to tell you

8 I told him I'm sorry what I did and I used

9 to talk about him, I didn't like him and now

10 I do.

11 MS. GATELLI: Thanks, Jim.

12 MR. STUCKARD: You've got some --

13 another problem on Lackawanna Avenue about

14 getting those holes -- getting that road

15 fixed by Greyhound there. What about the

16 skateboards? A lot -- some kids that ruin

17 the sidewalks and ruin the curbs over the

18 courthouse with skateboards all --

19 everywhere I go I see them, they are

20 ruining, the kids, the sidewalks and the

21 curbs and they are dangerous. Can you see

22 about getting a ticket girl over there on

23 that, okay?

24 MS. GATELLI: Okay. Thanks, Jim.

25 MR. STUCKARD: I was talking to his
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1 -- what's his name, he worked for the city.

2 Pat, his name was Pat, he talked to

3 Courtright, I talked to Courtright, but he

4 will see about getting the money from

5 Doherty.

6 MR. COURTRIGHT: Jim, I think you got

7 to ask the mayor for that money. You did

8 the work for him, we can't get it for you,

9 he's got to pay you. Tell Pat to ask the

10 mayor.

11 MR. STUCKARD: Okay.

12 MR. COURTRIGHT: All right, Jim?

13 MS. GATELLI: Thanks, Jim.

14 MR. BOLUS: Bob Bolus. Good

15 evening. Bob Bolus, Scranton, I guess I

16 should say the most contentious Bob Bolus

17 from Scranton. Mrs. Gatelli, I took that as

18 a compliment last week that I was becoming

19 contentious. Believe me, if there is

20 anybody more contentious in this city

21 defending the rights of the people in this

22 city I want to meet him, because I don't

23 think God put anybody more contentious than

24 I could be regarding the taxpayers in this

25 city and I'm proud of that. I'm contentious
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1 about dodging the icebergs that plagued city

2 residents for over five years after the

3 Valentine's Day snowstorm. I'm contentious

4 that a million five, the golf course money

5 of the city residents, was taken unjustly

6 from this council and this administration.

7 I'm contentious that the other 1.5 million

8 dollars has not been put in permanent trust

9 as it should be, as it was intended to be.

10 I'm contentious when the District

11 Attorney Jarbola moved to selectively remove

12 me from the ballot as a favor to his

13 political cronies because they fear I will

14 win and the residents of Scranton will have

15 and will be properly represented by the most

16 contentious person in Scranton defending

17 their rights.

18 Council is why I'm a write-in for

19 the council. He did not remove Cordaro. He

20 did not remove McNulty. They had flaws in

21 their petitions. I don't think that the

22 people should let Jarbola dictate how you

23 vote and who you should vote for. You can

24 vote for a write-in for someone, you can

25 vote for me if you so desire by writing in.
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1 On your agenda issues, you made an

2 issue here that you wanted people to speak

3 after you have already decided on the

4 agenda. My understanding is that the people

5 get the right to speak on the agenda prior

6 to you voting on anything, so I think you

7 should reevaluate your position on that.

8 Also, Bruce Smallacombe, the mayor of

9 Jermyn, they called me tonight and he asked

10 me if I would make an announcement for him.

11 He is trying to put together a collection

12 throughout the county of products, food

13 products and stuff for the people out in

14 Kansas. I told him I would consider

15 donating my trucks because I have done for

16 every other disaster in this country if he

17 could get enough people to do it right, I

18 will get some consideration about giving him

19 the trucks. If I may, I'd like to give you

20 a cell phone number, it's 840-8046. His

21 home number is 876, and I believe it's 4260.

22 MR. MINORA: Three minutes.

23 MR. BOLUS: You are welcome. And

24 hopefully in the future we could get a light

25 system in here so we could become
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1 professional and not yell at everybody and I

2 ask --

3 MS. GATELLI: Mr. Bolus, what was his

4 name?

5 MR. BOLUS: I'm sorry. Do I have

6 time to do this? Bruce Smallacombe.

7 MS. GATELLI: Thank you. Mr.

8 McClough.

9 MR. MCCLOUGH: Good evening. My name

10 is Brett McClough, I'm a resident of South

11 Scranton. I would like to talk about -- to

12 the people of Scranton about vision and the

13 management of vision. During the course

14 leading up to this election, many candidates

15 talk about how they would make a difference

16 for a better tomorrow. I want to fast

17 forward 13 years, the year is 2020. 2020 is

18 the number given for clarity of vision.

19 2020 symbolizes hindsight and afterthought.

20 What do you envision for that year? Now

21 that let's take a look back 13 years ago to

22 1994 up until today. How many mistakes and

23 could have, would have, should haves can we

24 count and how many will we repeat on our way

25 up to this year 2020. What lessons can we
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1 learn from the rebuilding of Wilkes-Barre

2 after the Agnus flood in reference to the

3 current state of his downtown area today?

4 I'm quite sure blight was not a part of

5 their vision. What happened? Nepotism,

6 cronyism, and classism happened. These

7 three political sins are a byproduct of

8 greed and destroy cities from the inside

9 out. It has become more than just a fact of

10 life, but a method of survival for both

11 Wilkes-Barre and Scranton. The age of

12 government bailouts and the municipal

13 welfare has taken over as a means of income.

14 We no longer export coal, steel or textiles.

15 We export delegates to go beg for money.

16 Some would say these government grants and

17 loans are a handup, not a handout. I beg to

18 differ as long as they three sins are still

19 a part of city government. These sins are a

20 sure recipe for the blight of 2020. We

21 cannot restore pride or sustain growth by

22 relegating the people of this city to

23 servitude. I see the dilemma. If you

24 educate the population to compete for

25 nonexistent jobs they will leave for greener
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1 pastures. If you tell the population that

2 the manufacturing jobs are a thing of the

3 past and slap gold collar status on the

4 masses, political rebellion is certain.

5 It's time the people of Scranton

6 understand the vision of this administration

7 and wonder if there is a place for them in

8 Scranton's future.

9 MR. MINORA: Three minutes.

10 MS. GATELLI: Thank you. Jose Rojas.

11 I'm sorry if I mispronounced your name.

12 MR. ROJAS: No, you didn't. My names

13 is Jose Rojas, I'm from the Dominican

14 Republic. I have ten years in this country,

15 nine years in this country, this is the

16 second time that I come here and it seems to

17 me that it works because I cam to give a

18 complaint about my community Scranton's

19 Latinos, that was two years ago, we don't

20 know about how take buses here because there

21 not even enough sign on the street and two

22 days after my complaint Judy Gatelli was in

23 our grocery store in Main Avenue and she

24 bring a lot of flyers and the problem was

25 resolved in two weeks, that was great for us
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1 and now there is another problem, so thank

2 you for that.

3 I don't want the City of Scranton

4 just all of us for a few bad eggs. My point

5 here is that I am and most of my people want

6 to contribute for the City of Scranton.

7 Before I came to be living here I was in

8 Manhattan for two years and a friend of mine

9 invited me to a vacation in Allentown and I

10 spent four days, Thursday through Monday,

11 and I was married at that time and what I

12 saw in Hazleton and Allentown was most of my

13 people. When I say my people, I'm talking

14 people from Brazil, Peru, Mexico, Puerto

15 Rico and Dominican Republic drinking

16 outside, walking without shirt, the music

17 very loud and do I like that from two raise

18 my family there, no, I didn't, so I choose

19 don't be living in Hazleton and Scranton I

20 don't say that everybody there is like that,

21 but that was what I saw. I saw liquor store

22 selling beers for extra price for people

23 below the age, so somebody said, now, come

24 to Scranton and I came to Scranton and I

25 like what I see here. I saw discrimination
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1 for my race, but I could handle that because

2 I and my family, when I say my family I'm

3 talking about my mother and my stepfather,

4 we have a grocery store in Main Avenue and

5 we work 12 hours a day seven days a week and

6 we proving that working like we work we have

7 already more than four houses belonging to

8 us and we pay our taxes and we are American

9 citizens for naturalization.

10 MR. MINORA: Time.

11 MR. ROJAS: Do something to avoid the

12 same that happening in Hazelton come to

13 Scranton. This is a great city and I like

14 it. I love it.

15 MS. GATELLI: Thank you, Mr. Rojas.

16 Mr. Quinn?

17 MR. QUINN: Ozzie Quinn, President

18 of Scranton Lackawanna County Taxpayers and

19 Citizens' Association. You have before you

20 a letter from our law firm in Pittsburg and

21 the writer of that letter is a

22 constitutional lawyer in regard to us being

23 booted out of city hall and the bottom line

24 is if the mayor wants to go into litigation

25 and spend the taxpayers' money then we are
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1 willing to go with it. We just completed a

2 series of candidates forums throughout the

3 -- for the city council and Scranton school

4 district and controllers and the

5 commissioners and basically what it amounted

6 to is how the heck are we going to raise

7 debt to pay off these loans, okay? The

8 county will be in debt by the end of 2007

9 $191 million. Prorate that, we got a boss

10 that we are responsible for 65 million of

11 that. Also, the school district it is 153

12 million in debt and they passed a note for

13 60 million, so you extrapolate that onto

14 $163 million then add the Doherty debt,

15 okay, and we are at half a billion dollars

16 in debt, and we are not going to get it

17 through any type of raising of revenue.

18 There is no doubt about it. A lot of the

19 candidates if they would they don't want to

20 have any taxation. So, the only thing that

21 we can do is try to start looking at our

22 situation right now. We are getting into

23 the middle or the half of the fiscal year,

24 the budget year, you will be off on August I

25 presume, maybe not, but then you will have
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1 September and October, so I want to ask you

2 if we start to look at the possibility and

3 all of the grievance that we start to get

4 rid of nepotism, contracts that are not

5 needed, jobs from people who are networked

6 or donation and I ask you to empower your

7 finance chair, Janet Evans, as you did last

8 year to look at the budget beginning now so

9 that we can have something clear in October

10 so when the mayor doesn't pounce on us,

11 okay, and we can look at it and have an

12 intelligent budget before us, all right?

13 That's the only way we can start to reduce

14 is to cut the fat and start looking at the

15 jobs and the health and the benefits that

16 these employees are duplicating and whatnot

17 through the three taxing bodies and it's all

18 coming out of the same taxpayer's pockets,

19 mine, yours and everybody here.

20 We have to do something and, like I

21 said, we are almost six months there and

22 this half a billion dollars does not

23 including the SSA and increased tax rate for

24 the Chesapeake Bay, the Anglican American 6

25 million dollar arbitration award cumulating
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1 interest from last May 2007 or 2006, $700 a

2 day. The inevitable fire and police

3 arbitration awards costing the taxpayers

4 millions, that's going to come down and

5 rightfully so.

6 MR. MINORA: Time.

7 MR. QUINN: The 60 million note by

8 the Scranton School Board and water rate

9 increase and today I learned that the PPL

10 has been approved by the PUC to increase

11 their rates 30 percent so we are strapped,

12 okay? And what do we have for it? Thank

13 you, Mayor, for renovating Nay Aug Park.

14 MS. GATELLI: Thank you. Andy

15 Sbaraglia.

16 MR. SBARAGLIA: Andy Sbaraglia,

17 citizen of Scranton, fellow Scrantonians.

18 As you know, we started the free swim

19 program and it's nice that you all voted

20 again to submit it to the mayor.

21 Unfortunately, I remember how it was done

22 last time, I am a little -- I'm sorry, a

23 little more senile, but it went up to the

24 mayor, of course he is going to veto it and

25 it's going to come back to you, of course,
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1 the election will be over then. Are you

2 going to override the mayor's veto? Don't

3 stare. Say yes or no because we are going

4 to go on with this fundraiser until it

5 actually passes because it would be stupid

6 of us to stop. This is one thing we are

7 really, really geared up on. No matter

8 what, we can do what we can for the children

9 and there is a lot of people in this city

10 that are fully behind us. They are giving

11 up money we collected over I think $1,100

12 already for this and we are just getting

13 started. I don't want to see a déjà vu and

14 something that happens quite often with this

15 council. One way the vote goes, the mayor

16 vetoes, it comes back again, of course, it

17 can't be overridden. You need four members

18 to override the veto and we don't go it. We

19 didn't get it last year, chances are we

20 ain't going to get it this year, but, of

21 course, the election will be over by then or

22 I wouldn't even mention it other than the

23 fact that it happened last year and, of

24 course, that's the reason we are doing it

25 this year. We are not going to let another
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1 year go by waiting for action from you and

2 the mayor, we just won't do it, and we are

3 going to go on with it, whatever happens

4 happens, but the children will get some free

5 swim being no matter what either from you

6 and the mayor or from us as the people of

7 Scranton, and I thank you.

8 MS. EVANS: Mr. Sbaraglia, I

9 would -- I know I cannot speak for my

10 colleagues, but I will speak for myself in

11 that when I made that motion this evening

12 part of the motion stated that there will be

13 free swimming. The second half of that

14 motion was that our solicitor would draw up

15 legislation to make it in the form of an

16 ordinance to make it stronger than just a

17 motion. Now, I can't reasonable expect that

18 any of my council colleagues would change

19 their mind on this or tonight they would

20 have voted against agreeing to free swimming

21 and agreeing to having this drawn up in the

22 form of an ordinance. I frankly can't

23 envision anyone coming up with a reason, a

24 good enough reason, to turn back on what

25 they have done tonight. Now, in the
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1 meantime, however, we all know that this

2 motion and this ordinance has no affect on

3 Nay Aug and the fees will continue to be

4 charged at Nay Aug because they are set by

5 the Recreation Authority who is appointed by

6 the mayor, so I would encourage you to

7 continue with your fundraising efforts

8 because that money can certainly be well

9 used at Nay Aug for children to swim free.

10 MR. SBARAGLIA: Well, I thank you --

11 MR. MINORA: That's three minutes.

12 MR. SBARAGLIA: -- but, as I said

13 before, we don't stop until everything is

14 signed and then we will decide about Nay Aug

15 which is probably where the money will go.

16 MS. EVANS: And I did want to wish

17 you good luck on Tuesday.

18 MR. SBARAGLIA: I thank you.

19 MS. GATELLI: Mr. Jackowitz.

20 MR. JACKOWITZ: Bill Jackowitz, South

21 Scranton. The most important quality of any

22 person is their honest, credibility and the

23 ability to admit that they are wrong. These

24 qualities are a must for leaders whether

25 they are military leaders, business leaders
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1 or elected officials. Speaking for myself,

2 I see none of these qualities in our current

3 city leaders with the only exception being

4 Mrs. Evans and on occasion Mr. Courtright.

5 There have been too many misleading

6 statements made by council members, cabinet

7 members and the mayor that it would take me

8 three years to accurately state them all so

9 I will only highlight a few of the most

10 current statements. Two businesses in

11 Southern Union with two weeks, one year ago,

12 never happened. Austin Burke attending a

13 City Council meeting, never happened. Oh,

14 I've forgotten, new business is economic

15 development in Scranton. Correction, new

16 buildings is economic development in

17 Scranton, not wages and jobs, just buildings

18 such as the tree house and the bridge to

19 nowhere and loans to campaign contributors.

20 Economy in the city improving. Five

21 years ago Scranton had the highest

22 unemployment rate in the state, we still do.

23 Scranton had the lowest pay rate in the

24 state, we still do. Scranton had the lowest

25 yearly earning power in the state. We still
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1 do. No improvements since Mayor Doherty

2 took office. Scranton is losing population

3 fifth in the midwest and northeast region,

4 but yet the mayor and chamber advertise that

5 the population is increasing and new jobs

6 are being created. A 180 jobs lost McKinney

7 Corporation. A 100 jobs loss Dial America

8 just in the last month. Misleading

9 statements again by the newspaper and the

10 mayor and council economic chairperson, Ms.

11 Fanucci. Civilian labor force in the region

12 has declined 18 percent since 1994 yet the

13 Allentown/Bethlehem/Easton area civilian

14 labor force creased since 1994. Despite the

15 loss of good paying job and MAC truck and

16 Bethlehem steel, maybe the economic leaders

17 from Northeastern, Pennsylvania should

18 travel to the Lehigh Valley and learn from

19 how they were able to turn things around and

20 have a strong job market.

21 Miss Fanucci, Mr. Burke, Mayor

22 Doherty, this statement was made by Mr. Joe

23 Melina and the Department of Labor and

24 Industry Center for the work place

25 information analysis for the State of
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1 Pennsylvania. For some reason I take this

2 statement as being factual and actual while

3 Mr. Burke, Mayor Doherty and Miss Fanucci

4 and the Scranton Times-Tribune only mislead

5 and put a spin on these statements.

6 Citizens of Scranton, the economy is

7 terrible, research and find out for

8 yourself, you will see that the Department

9 of Labor is a correct along with the US

10 Citizen's Bureau. These are not signs of

11 economic improvement, but decline. The true

12 facts need to be presented to the citizens

13 of the Scranton. In the last five years the

14 following jobs have been created: Waiters,

15 waitresses, dog groomers, banks, drug

16 stores, beauticians and fast food positions.

17 These jobs are needed in the community, but

18 they are not family sustaining jobs. The

19 waiters, waitresses and bartenders actually

20 loss earning power due to a drop in their

21 tips because of an illegal smoking ban

22 passed by city council. This error needs to

23 be corrected.

24 MR. MINORA: Three minutes.

25 MR. JACKOWITZ: Wait for the state to
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1 pass the law and Scranton can be in

2 compliance not on the cutting edge of being

3 a state lawbreaker like the city is

4 currently. Thank you.

5 MS. GATELLI: Thank you.

6 Mr. Patilla.

7 MR. PATILLA: Sam Patilla, city

8 resident, taxpayer. I have before me a

9 letter dated May 8 from the Department of

10 HUD stating that they have fired off a

11 letter to the City of Scranton in regards to

12 that Alexander's loan and that one asked for

13 a Lackawanna Station hospitality unlike

14 Mr. Farrell, the city solicitor, who told me

15 I had to wait 30 days, I doubt very

16 seriously that I have to wait for 30 days

17 for the city to answer them on whether or

18 not those loans are up to par.

19 Secondly, I also requested a right

20 to know as far minorities are concerned in

21 this city. Same thing, Mr. Farrell,

22 30 days, I don't deal with middle men. I

23 have a letter from the Scranton School

24 District and it informs me that out of 1151

25 full-time employees there are ten
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1 minorities. One Afro-American female at the

2 elementary level teaching. One Hispanic

3 male and one Hispanic female at the

4 secondary level, all right? More often than

5 not, school district's hiring policies mimic

6 those of their city's administration. All

7 right? This is going to stop. Okay. This

8 makes no sense you have 1,000 people and of

9 those 1,000 people only ten of them are

10 minorities. That's crazy.

11 Secondly, thanks to Mr. Parker,

12 another one of the great failures not doing

13 his job, we lost two homes on Stafford, all

14 right? I was up in that area that time of

15 the morning, I'm always up there. You know,

16 had that man done his job and assured that

17 the water pressure in the city was up to par

18 there is a strong possibility that those

19 homes could be have been saved.

20 Firefighters and police did an excellent

21 job, they cannot do anything if they don't

22 have water. You know, they ran hoses from

23 Crown. They ran houses from the bank in

24 front of Meadow, you know, and that's

25 ludicrous. The man needs to resign. They
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1 needs to call for his resignation

2 immediately.

3 Okay. Real quickly here. Last week

4 before I -- after I left a Spanish gentleman

5 got up and he stated that his people don't

6 get involved with these things, they don't

7 take sides, I'm glad to see that gentleman

8 came tonight because he proved that

9 statement was incorrect, all right? When he

10 made that statement what it said to me wast

11 that they don't vote and if you don't vote

12 then your organization shouldn't be getting

13 financial funds from the taxpayers, be it

14 OECD, UDAG, I don't care what it is. If

15 you're not voting you shouldn't be getting

16 our money, you know. But back to the letter

17 from HUD, you know, Mrs. Fanucci, time and

18 time again, you know, you give

19 misinformation and right after these

20 elections I will be calling for your

21 resignation because at one point in time --

22 MRS. FANUCCI: I can give you that

23 right now, I won't be resigning.

24 MR. PATILLA: At one point in time,

25 all right, there will be a minority placed
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1 on that council and by you being in the most

2 disrespectful person up there you really

3 should be the one to just volunteer to do

4 it, because, like I said you are a wealth of

5 misinformation. Everything that comes out

6 of your mouth is a lie or incorrect.

7 MR. MINORA: Three minutes.

8 MR. PATILLA: Or along the lines of a

9 smoking ban. Allegheny's smoking ban was

10 repealed and knocked down. It's not in

11 effect.

12 MS. GATELLI: Mr. Gillman.

13 MR. GILLMAN: Well, first off I want

14 to thank Mrs. Gatelli for her I guess

15 preexistence for having that house torn down

16 by me at the owner's expense. It's

17 deplorable that the taxpayers have to end up

18 with these properties and insurance

19 companies are paying banks and mortgage

20 companies off, it's not right, it's a

21 loophole and ought to be taken care of I

22 guess with the legislation. You know, I'd

23 like to thank Mr. Doherty, the second time

24 in 12 years the street cleaner went by my

25 house last week, and every afternoon when I
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1 sit at the Taurus Club I look at that big

2 clock and wonder what it costs. You know,

3 he lives in a different neighborhood that

4 than I do. I think my neighborhood is

5 terrible, it's slipping away right in front

6 of me. The houses look bad, the people are

7 bad, I got some terrible neighbors that

8 moved in and 90 percent of the city isn't

9 like he described, you know, in his --

10 Austin Burke must have wrote that nonsense

11 for him a couple of weeks ago, I heard it

12 two or three times how great the city is.

13 He needs to go across the street, like I

14 said, once and talk to some of these poor

15 little old ladies over there that have lost

16 their houses. Why doesn't he come down here

17 and tell us how we are going to pay for this

18 half a million -- billion dollars of tax

19 increases.

20 And, secondly, I'd like to say I

21 might be in the minority, but you cannot

22 keep taking 10 or 20 acres downtown for a

23 medical school. You are talking about prime

24 property. There is nothing left around here

25 that -- the college has eaten up the Hill
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1 Section like a big octopus, you people are

2 just like a wolf baying at the moon, you

3 just wasting -- nothing gets to you, you

4 know. Nothing gets to this mayor. The city

5 is not in good shape.

6 I got some friends that came here to

7 talk business with Mr. DeNaples and they

8 were will disappointed, they were here six,

9 seven, eight years ago, I don't remember,

10 and they thought about how much they said

11 it's gone downhill. It's not a good place

12 for businesses and you talk about putting

13 the school over there on midtown apartments

14 then you are going to have to replace the

15 apartments with property you are going to

16 lose more property, it's got to stop

17 somewhere. It's just got to stop. I mean,

18 I don't know my note on my house is a couple

19 of hundred dollars a month now than it was

20 when I bought it to pay for taxes and now

21 you are talking about more money. It's just

22 time to terminate. How do you expect

23 people, like, I'm 71 years old and I'm

24 retired, I'm not supposed to be getting a--

25 MR. MINORA: Time.
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1 MR. GILLMAN: -- a second job to pay

2 for my taxes. Thank you.

3 MS. GATELLI: Thank you.

4 MR. STIVALA: Hello. My name is Mark

5 Stivala. First thing I wanted to say is

6 Happy Mother's Day to all of the mothers and

7 then I have -- I want to talk about that

8 Alexander's loan again. I wanted to make

9 this transaction as transparent as I could

10 because I have some paperwork where Sherry

11 Tarapachak Stivala swears under oath her

12 testimony to say that she dissolved this

13 business and this testimony was done in '05,

14 I have the paperwork here for you. So if

15 she dissolved that company that you are

16 giving the loan to you are giving that loan

17 to either a dissolved company or she lied

18 under oath to the Courts that she dissolved

19 this company and also if you look on the

20 second page the attorney of record is John

21 Cerra, that's the one you checked with, so

22 he is well aware that she testified that she

23 dissolved this company under oath. That's

24 all I have to say. Thanks.

25 MS. GATELLI: Mr. Hubbard?
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1 MR. HUBBARD: Good evening, Council.

2 What I gave you guys was material data

3 sheets, and I'll get into it in a minute,

4 I'm back talking about Daron Northeast

5 simply because I think that has kind of been

6 dropped over the years. On my way over to

7 Robert Morris today at 3:00 this afternoon

8 there was not one drop of water anywhere on

9 the Daron property, obviously that's taken

10 care of now, but the entire area around

11 Daron Northeast was covered in a haze of

12 dust today and because of the wind that

13 prevailing dust carried over through

14 Greenridge corners. Well, I got to pick my

15 child up at Robert Morris today and outside

16 the afterschool program kids are running

17 around with this dust blowing through the

18 neighborhood. Now, this also affects St.

19 Paul's because the prevailing wind they are

20 close enough that the children that play

21 outside at St. Paul's are effected by what

22 goes on at Daron Northeast. Before we get

23 into the MDS sheets I just want to really

24 quick run through this. Daron Northeast

25 never applied for a variance for that
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1 building. They were told -- the council was

2 told, this is previous to a few of being up

3 there, by Mr. Fiorini that their variance

4 was not needed because the area was already

5 zoned for light industrial use and

6 Mr. Fiorini at a second council meeting

7 already stated that a variance was not

8 needed because there was already a building

9 on the property. Well, as far as I know, if

10 a business comes in and buys a piece of land

11 and they are going to use that land for an

12 alternate reason other than what it was

13 originally, they have no choice but to apply

14 for a variance so that a public hearing can

15 be scheduled so the neighbors surrounding

16 that building can listen to the company

17 explain what's going to be conducted, what

18 they are going to do, their time of

19 operations, everything that goes on there.

20 Well, there was never a variance applied for

21 this business so the public never had a

22 chance to really find out what was going

23 onto happen at Daron Northeast.

24 So, let's get to the MDS sheets. We

25 already know that they are illegally
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1 operating because the zoning officer turned

2 his head and Mr. Fiorini turned his head to

3 allow them to operate this business without

4 a variance for the use of it for the use

5 they're using it for, so the residents never

6 had a chance to have their public hearing.

7 Also, while Mr. Doherty was on council

8 the building was sold for $126,000 to Daron

9 and there was $225,000 in back property

10 taxes were forgiven and then they were given

11 a KOZ status, so obviously the city has made

12 not one penny off of Daron Northeast.

13 The MDS sheets, we are going to talk

14 about the hazardous components. It's

15 crystalline quartz silica, it's an airborne

16 dust when you make a brick or concrete

17 product if it's cut, broken, where the

18 aggregates go into become airborne is

19 considered crystalline quartz silica.

20 Let's go to the second page under

21 the carcinogens. This is considered a

22 carcinogen by standards. OSHA on the first

23 page PEL states --

24 MR. MINORA: Three minutes.

25 MS. GATELLI: Dan, I'll talk to you
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1 afterwards.

2 MR. HUBBARD: And in response to you

3 not turning your mic off, Mr. Minora, I'm

4 not considered privileged and I don't feel

5 that I'm privileged. Watch what you say

6 when your mic is on, sir.

7 MR. GATELLI: Thank you.

8 MR. HUBBARD: Thanks for your

9 comment. Make sure you turn your mic off.

10 MS. GATELLI: Liz Hubbard.

11 MS. HUBBARD: Good evening, Council.

12 Liz Hubbard, Scranton resident. I believe

13 somebody referred to Mr. Parker doing a

14 survey of the flood problems on Pittston

15 Avenue, did that come up?

16 MR. COURTRIGHT: Yeah, I did.

17 MS. HUBBARD: Mr. Parker has already

18 walked the riverbank with Daniel regarding

19 the breaches from the '06 flood and

20 Mr. Parker marked areas that needed repaired

21 and said he would repair them. Could you

22 please find out when we can expect those

23 repairs to start because it's getting on

24 toward rainy season and I know that we are

25 still vulnerable, but if they could just
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1 repair the damage done from '04 and '06 then

2 maybe we would be a little safer.

3 And on the speaking time, Judy, how

4 did you -- you said we will be given more

5 time, is it going to be five minutes or are

6 you going to combine the three and three and

7 make it six.

8 MS. GATELLI: No, it will five.

9 MS. HUBBARD: But, then that's taking

10 away speaking time. Why don't you just make

11 it six and combine the two because it's

12 really hard to say what you have to say even

13 in five minutes. Somebody was saying today

14 the school board they have an unlimited

15 speaking time and when I lived in Jefferson

16 Township we had unlimited speaking time and

17 if you think these meeting are rowdy you

18 should have been at those. Anyway, ladies,

19 Happy Mother's Day.

20 MS. GATELLI: Happy Mother's Day.

21 MS. EVANS: Kay, the letter to send

22 to Mr. Parker, can we add Mrs. Hubbard's

23 request to that as well? I specifically

24 would like in writing when they can expect

25 those improvements.
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1 MS. SIMMONS: Good evening. Reverend

2 Katherine Simmons, Scranton resident. I

3 came here before announcing the names of the

4 awardees of this years United Crime Watch

5 Awards on the May 25 dinner. This dinner is

6 given each year by United Crime Watch so the

7 persons receiving these awards understand

8 that they are respected and loved by the

9 people that they serve. We also want those

10 organizations that they are involved with to

11 understand that we in crime watch even if

12 the people out in Scranton don't look up to

13 them we in crime watch do. That's why the

14 dinner is free and the tables are free and

15 we allow them to bring whoever they want to

16 bring. But, once again, crime watch is

17 butting heads with the economic and

18 financial community. Florence Midtown Crime

19 Watch is surrounded by business and

20 professional organizations. Whenever we

21 throw something we should not have any

22 trouble at all raising funds. We don't ask

23 that often for anything, but, again, we just

24 don't seem to be able to garner the support

25 from those surrounding us that we need. We
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1 have a school that will pave their parking

2 lot at the drop of a hat. We have a

3 gentleman who has invested years into doing

4 up his building and making his urns look

5 nice, but he won't give $1 towards crime

6 watch.

7 Sometimes we get so disgusted, but

8 in the end we still watch over their

9 property. This dinner will go on and it

10 will be free for those who attend, but I

11 will tell you that after the 25th I will

12 come back to council and I will let people

13 know who is surrounding us by name. Is that

14 a threat? Yes, it is --

15 MR. MINORA: Time.

16 MS. SIMMONS: -- because I think

17 it's time people know who doesn't support

18 the crime watch organizations in the city of

19 Scranton. Thank you.

20 MR. DOBSON: Dave Dobson, resident of

21 Scranton. I'd like to once again mention on

22 our medical training center to contact Bob

23 Mellow and try to keep it in the suitable

24 location. I don't know who is throwing the

25 monkey wrenches, but I don't think that
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1 tearing down Midtown apartments is a viable

2 option. We should be able to find some kind

3 of language in the city. These apartments

4 are very valuable and they also take some

5 poor people off the streets and low wage

6 earners and so forth, so we really don't

7 need anymore homeless people circulating

8 around because we tore down their

9 apartments.

10 On a less positive note, I'd like to

11 mention that on the smoking ban we have had

12 some trouble with wage earners in

13 restaurants. There is no minimum wage for a

14 restaurant. Typically from what I have

15 heard a typical page wage is $2.85 or $3.00

16 an hour plus tips and this is affecting a

17 lot of people and I don't really feel that a

18 statewide ban is a viable option either

19 because it may change the culture. There is

20 a lot of restaurants that never allowed

21 smoking or stopped ten years ago or 15 years

22 ago and they more or less diners and so

23 forth you could actually alter the culture

24 in a sense that people may just stop going

25 to those place because they can no longer
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1 smoke, so I'd like to try and represent that

2 maybe some parts of it should be lifted and

3 maybe we could sell a diner a tobacco sale's

4 license, I don't know.

5 And on the taxpayers we have the

6 Saturday morning starting at 9:00 there's a

7 car wash up in Scooter's in Dunmore on the

8 O'Neill highway.

9 I was also witness to the fire last

10 weekend on Stafford Avenue, it was right

11 above my house. I went out to take the

12 hound-dog out and I seen the flames and I

13 think that possibly if there is any type

14 of--

15 MR. MINORA: Time.

16 MR. DOBSON: -- regulatory agency

17 that could come in there and check water

18 pressures, my water pressure is low, so it

19 might be something in the neighborhood that

20 it's causing a problem and pipe break or

21 something like that and with the money

22 Pennsylvania American Water charges us I

23 think they can afford to come in and fix it.

24 Thank you. Have a good night.

25 MS. GATELLI: Mrs. Shumaker.
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1 MR. DOBSON: Oh --

2 MS. SHUMAKER: That's fine.

3 MR. DOBSON: The phone number for Bob

4 Mellow, do we have it?

5 MS. SHUMAKER: First I'd like to

6 congratulate Mrs. Evans and her students on

7 their achievement and I wish them well in

8 the next round.

9 MS. EVANS: Thank you.

10 MS. SHUMAKER: Looking for good news.

11 Back in September of 2005 the monopoly

12 newspaper had an article stating that

13 April 2007 when it would become effective

14 that mandated state certifications would be

15 required. After that date, those not

16 certified through the Uniform Construction

17 Code would be unable to perform inspections.

18 A review of the Department of Labor and

19 Industry website, which they claim is

20 updated weekly, shows that for the City of

21 Scranton only the plumbing and mechanical

22 inspectors are certified. Therefore, I'd

23 like to know what the other four uncertified

24 inspectors are doing to earn their salaries

25 and why with two years advance notice they
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1 remain uncertified?

2 MS. GATELLI: I asked that question

3 recently and I was told that they are

4 certified, so I will check that out for you.

5 MS. SHUMAKER: The state labor site

6 is available to all, it's listed by name and

7 it's listed by city and it's listed by what

8 their certifications cover and --

9 MS. GATELLI: I'm just telling you

10 what I was told and we will find that out.

11 MS. SHUMAKER: And also last Monday

12 at the Scranton Housing Authority it was

13 noted that they have some drawings for an

14 improvement at one of their facilities, I

15 believe it was Jackson Heights but I'm not

16 entirely sure, when they brought the

17 drawings to Mr. Fiorini's office they were

18 told that he is too busy and that that is

19 going to have to be outsourced, so that's

20 holding up progress and it seems a review of

21 that department might be in order.

22 Then I'd like to follow-up on a few

23 questions that I asked about a month ago and

24 hope to receive answers as there has been

25 ample time to research the issues. Number
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1 one, what is the current balance in the

2 commercial industrial loan account that is

3 available to be loaned out?

4 MS. GATELLI: I think I have it

5 somewhere with me, but I'm not sure. We

6 said it at a meeting.

7 MS. SHUMAKER: The last minutes are a

8 month -- or April 12 I believe.

9 MS. GATELLI: I'll try find it for

10 you after the meeting.

11 MS. SHUMAKER: Thank you. And has a

12 lien been placed on the former Granito

13 property for the recovery of the demolition

14 house?

15 MS. GATELLI: Not that I'm aware of.

16 MS. SHUMAKER: Do we know why? Also,

17 do we have the requested list, the mayor is

18 taking credit for demolishing 50 properties

19 and do we have the list of my address of

20 those properties --

21 MR. MINORA: Time.

22 MS. SHUMAKER: -- that have been

23 demolished and which ones were paid for by

24 OECD and which ones were not? I'll be back

25 to talk on blight next week, good Lord
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1 willing. Otherwise, Happy Mother's Day.

2 MS. GATELLI: Thank you. There is

3 no one else, so if anyone would like to

4 speak just come to the podium.

5 MR. MORGAN: Good evening, Council.

6 I have a copy of the local Scranton Times

7 newspaper here and we have a quote here from

8 the mayor who says, "I guess the upcoming

9 elections is why they are holding it up."

10 He said, "They already voted for it

11 in the budget last year and it's really

12 academic at this point."

13 Now, we are talking about the tax

14 penalty issue you have taken off the agenda.

15 I have come here numerous times and said

16 that the major problem with this council is

17 you move through the agenda without backup

18 information. You are voting on things you

19 have no clue what this council is voting on

20 and it continues on and on and on and then

21 after the votes then we are all going to do

22 damage control, but the truth of the matter

23 is that that's what's lead this City to the

24 decline it's in now, and there is no

25 remedial action being taken at all.
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1 President Gatelli says that she doesn't

2 believe that this targets senior citizens,

3 and you know what, I agree with you. Not

4 only does it target senior citizens but it

5 targets every low wage employee in the city

6 and considering the amount of people on

7 assistant, school lunch and all of the other

8 government programs this city is just mired

9 where everybody in the middle class is left

10 and I have to say that the council is

11 ultimately responsible for the destruction

12 of this city over the last 50 years with the

13 help that this mayor is really accelerating,

14 he is doing a wonderful job. Now,

15 Mrs. Fanucci, you say, "People thought the

16 legislation could hurt the taxpayers paying

17 on time so we asked for more information.

18 Nothing personal, but we are considering

19 delinquent taxpayers."

20 MS. FANUCCI: This was a misquote, by

21 the way.

22 MR. MORGAN: Okay. Well, then --

23 MS. FANUCCI: If you want to ask me

24 what I said was that we were worried

25 about -- we were worried about the fines
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1 that would be incurred by the people who

2 were delinquent, that's what I said so --

3 MR. MORGAN: Okay. Well, then I

4 think should --

5 MS. FANUCCI: -- and we do know that

6 the --

7 MR. MORGAN: -- ask the Times to do

8 a correction.

9 MS. FANUCCI: No, I don't need to do

10 that. I'm correcting it right now.

11 MR. MORGAN: Okay.

12 MS. GATELLI: Then you have to

13 correct a lot of things.

14 MR. MORGAN: Absolutely.

15 MR. GATELLI: Sorry.

16 MR. MORGAN: My point on this whole

17 thing is this, everybody is fleeing the

18 city. We see council passing legislation

19 and I don't ever see any of it slowing down,

20 we are always trying to figure out what

21 happened after it happened and I really

22 can't understand why and I can't understand

23 why we didn't stop the budget and go through

24 a line item through line item and find out

25 exactly what we are doing since you are the
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1 councilmen responsible for deciding where

2 the city is going to go and have the power

3 to veto whatever the mayor decides to do I'm

4 wondering what are you doing because you

5 borrowed millions and millions of dollars

6 and then you say, well, we are not going to

7 borrow anymore, we have paid money to get

8 better bond ratings and everybody is talking

9 about everybody paying their share,

10 everybody is gone beyond their share and

11 they have fled the city and I just think

12 that it's time for everybody in this city --

13 MR. MINORA: Time.

14 MR. MORGAN: -- in Tuesday's election

15 to decide what they really want to do and

16 follow this course of destruction. Thank

17 you.

18 MR. SLEDENZSKI: I'm coming, Judy.

19 MS. GATELLI: Dressdown tomorrow,

20 Chrissy.

21 MR. SLEDENZSKI: Huh?

22 MS. GATELLI: Dressdown day.

23 MR. SLEDENZSKI: What'd you say,

24 Jude? Close your eyes, Judy, I got a

25 present for you, you can't see it.
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1 MS. GATELLI: Oh, boy.

2 MR. SLEDENZSKI: You can't see it

3 Jude.

4 MS. GATELLI: Okay, I'm not looking.

5 MR. SLEDENZSKI: Is she looking,

6 Bill?

7 MR. COURTRIGHT: She's not looking,

8 Buddy.

9 MR. SLEDENZSKI: Open your eyes,

10 Jude. What did you think of that, Judy?

11 MS. GATELLI: I'm going to put that

12 right behind my desk.

13 MR. SLEDENZSKI: Are you?

14 MS. GATELLI: Yes, I am.

15 MS. SLEDENZSKI: Judy, I got one

16 question this week, our girls softball team

17 beat Dunmore Valley Monday, one nothing down

18 there. I'll tell you, Judy, these girls hit

19 the ball hard as a rock. They hit the ball

20 so hard that day I almost fell out of my

21 chair. I almost fell out of my chair. I

22 did. I almost fell out of my chair. I was

23 sitting there watching them, what I am

24 supposed to do now? Oh, Jude, I want t say

25 something to my brother-in-law. Do you
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1 mind, Jude, if I said Hi to him?

2 MS. GATELLI: Go ahead.

3 MR. SLEDENZSKI: Lose your place,

4 Dicky Boy.

5 MR. SHRIVER: Good evening. My name

6 Dave Shriver, I'm a resident and firefighter

7 also president of Firefighters Local 60,

8 Scranton firefighters, and I just like to

9 clear the air. There has been some

10 misstatements, misconceptions by a lot of

11 different people on the Stafford Avenue

12 fire. Just a few points that I'd like to

13 clear up. I mean, obviously basically from

14 a fire suppression standpoint there is a few

15 things you need apparatus, manpower,

16 obviously, it's a manpower intensive

17 operation and water supply.

18 There has been comments made out

19 there the water supply is maintained by the

20 city, that's not the case. The hydrant

21 system has been handed over to the water

22 company for years now. The water company

23 maintains the hydrant system, but on that

24 topic we as a safety committee with our

25 union have requested for many, many years
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1 going back to when the late Mike Ferke was

2 president of our local, for information on

3 the water system, the hydrants are tested

4 yearly by American Water and previous to

5 that by the previous water company, so there

6 is flow data out there, that's the most

7 important thing to us as firefighters to

8 understand what part of the water grid is

9 able to supply what volume of water. It's

10 not pressure, it's volume, you need a lot of

11 water. If you are on the dead end of a main

12 system you need to be able to know that, and

13 that's typical of any city. You are going

14 to have different sections that it might not

15 be as, you know, able to flow the water as

16 another part, but you need to identify those

17 areas. We have requested that information

18 for years.

19 We have also requested that the city

20 ask the water company that we follow through

21 on NFPA standards for color coding and there

22 is a color coding system that's recognized

23 throughout the nation where the top part of

24 the fire hydrant is painted a certain color

25 and then we know arriving on scene what that
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1 color means and it equates to a flow

2 calculation, a flow volume when that is

3 tested every year. When you have that type

4 of information you can overlay it on a map,

5 identify low water pressure areas, low

6 volume area and you can plan accordingly.

7 If you have the area that's a large area

8 then you do something like relay pumping,

9 you establish another engine company

10 automatically on that call and they will

11 come from a good section of the grid system,

12 so that information is not forthcoming to us

13 on the fire ground. The American Water

14 Company from what I understand and what I

15 have been told hasn't given us that

16 information and refused to cooperate. We

17 have repeatedly asked the city over the

18 years, over the last two administrations to

19 cooperate and for the right reasons to get

20 this information out there. So, I would ask

21 that maybe council would help intervene and

22 solve this problem that we could all --

23 MR. MINORA: Time.

24 MR. SHRIVER: -- work together.

25 MS. GERVASI: We will. Thank you for
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1 the information.

2 MR. MCGOFF: Mr. Shriver?

3 MR. SHRIVER: Yes.

4 MR. MCGOFF: May I ask you a

5 question?

6 MR. SHRIVER: Sure.

7 MR. MCGOFF: Was there a problem that

8 contributed to the destruction of those two

9 buildings?

10 MR. SHRIVER: I cannot speak

11 firsthand, I wasn't there, but speaking to

12 people that were there, there was a problem

13 with water flow. They were able to identify

14 it. From what I understand, that area,

15 River Street area, there is a large main

16 that comes down off the mountain and what

17 you need to do then at that point is relay

18 in from that area, but, obviously, that

19 wasn't -- it takes time to identify that

20 situation and that's why we need to

21 information so we can preplan these things.

22 If we know where Mr. Courtright lives, I

23 remember years ago, we had information from

24 the water company we knew what the flows

25 were and up in Fawnwood in the first stage
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1 that was the low service area, it was a low

2 volume area because it was going back up the

3 other side of the mountain, so we did have

4 established procedures in the fire

5 department, there was an extra engine on any

6 call up in that whole development in Phase I

7 and we would relay pump in to that area, so

8 since that time that hasn't happened.

9 MS. EVANS: Mr. Shriver, the problems

10 that you have described are they unique in

11 Scranton or is this throughout the area

12 which American Water serves? In other

13 words, are the hydrants properly marked let

14 us say in Dunmore or Throop?

15 MR. SHRIVER: I don't -- I cannot

16 answer I know some small communities do

17 color code their own hydrants, I don't know

18 if that's still done to this day, but the

19 situation of maybe a low service area, low

20 volume area, it does happen and it is part

21 of the system. I mean, you are going to

22 have an end part of the system, a dead end

23 branch, a little side lateral to the water

24 system, but that's where that information

25 needs to be forthcoming to us.
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1 MS. EVANS: Oh, I agree. I'm just

2 wondering if the water company is --

3 MS. FANUCCI: Cognizant.

4 MS. EVANS: -- excluding us or if the

5 area that they serve were all excluded. In

6 other words, you need that information about

7 the water flow.

8 MR. SHRIVER: Absolutely. They flow

9 test.

10 MS. EVANS: Across the area though

11 not only Scranton, all of these areas.

12 MR. SHRIVER: I can't speak if other

13 communities receive that data, that

14 is absolutely done every year by American

15 Water, they flow test every hydrant in their

16 system, but we don't receive that data and

17 we have been requesting it for many, many

18 years.

19 MR. COURTRIGHT: One quick question

20 I'd like to know, why won't they give it to

21 us? What would the possible reason for them

22 not to give us that data?

23 MR. SHRIVER: I'd be speculating if I

24 did, but I --

25 MR. COURTRIGHT: Well, speculate for
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2 MR. SHRIVER: I would tend to think

3 they don't want your house with a hydrant in

4 front of it with a marking that designates

5 it as a lower flow volume than maybe

6 Mr. McGoff's or, you know, everybody is

7 going to want to have a hydrant, and I'm not

8 saying that's a bad thing --

9 MS. GATELLI: Would it effect your

10 insurance?

11 MR. SHRIVER: It actually would help

12 your insurance if we had a color coding

13 system because it's part of the ISO

14 insurance underwriting system which is

15 figured into calculations, somewhat it would

16 help out with residential, but it's really

17 big factor when you are figuring insurance

18 on manufacturing or a high risk business.

19 MS. GATELLI: I mean, maybe there is

20 a reason.

21 MR. SHRIVER: The water supply is a

22 big part of that.

23 MS. GATELLI: Because there is a

24 hydrant on each corner of that block.

25 MR. SHRIVER: Yeah. The hydrant
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1 system in the City of Scranton is very

2 adequate as far as the spacing and that and

3 that is a city ordinance that where they are

4 located it's specified in so many feet

5 between them and you are going to have

6 situations where maybe you have a dead-end

7 and the big problem in the city is maybe the

8 age of the line of a lateral underground

9 might be 80 years old and then they tend to

10 corrode and restrict, so all we are asking

11 is for the information so we can preplan

12 accordingly.

13 MS. EVANS: Then let's send them a

14 letter.

15 MS. GATELLI: Yes.

16 MS. EVANS: On behalf of council

17 requesting the information from them.

18 MR. SHRIVER: Thank you.

19 MS. GATELLI: Anyone else?

20 MR. GERVASI: Good evening. Dave

21 Gervasi, vice-president of the Firefighters

22 Union. I'd like to piggyback on some of the

23 comments that President Shriver. Obviously,

24 listening to him talk he is much kinder than

25 I am to the administration. I remember when
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1 I was first president around the time Mayor

2 Doherty came in office, our safety meetings

3 I was attending them, this issue came up,

4 and just like everything else, like the

5 arbitration that -- our first arbitration I

6 believe in 20 years that we lost was about

7 it was called a reduced response arbitration

8 where they had one less apparatus on a

9 normal alarm and, again, we went to the

10 administration and we said, "Well, why are

11 you doing this?"

12 Well, because of, you know -- a few

13 months later we found out after a mediation

14 that they wanted to it to for our own

15 safety, it cuts down on accidents and the

16 point I'm trying to make is every time the

17 city does make a move like this it either

18 violates the contract or it's just plain

19 wrong so we bring it to their attention and

20 we have a vehicle to do this called our

21 safety committee and through our grievance

22 procedure and I just want to explain to this

23 council the reason why we have so vigorously

24 fought the language and parts of the

25 language in the recovery plan is because a
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1 situation that happens like this when

2 something is not identified nobody cares for

3 years and years and years until we have

4 multiple houses burn. The only way we got

5 to this the attention, and I remember

6 President Bernardi coming up to this podium

7 long ago saying we have a crisis with the

8 fire hydrants, until we lost six houses in

9 west side all in the same time it was not

10 rectified. So as far as the fire department

11 and especially with this administration it's

12 been nothing but crises management, this

13 used fire truck we are buying right now is

14 just a stop gap because at this moment we

15 only have one spare vehicle because the city

16 has not purchased a new fire engine in quite

17 awhile. Every few years because we have ten

18 vehicles running you need to repurchase them

19 because they are wearing out, and when the

20 oldest one wears out, you know, you replace

21 it.

22 So, just to wrap this up, this has

23 been discussed before, this shouldn't have

24 happened and if it we suggest to the city

25 that and, you know, when we say this in
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1 public, you know, the newspaper says that

2 it's scare tactics, well is it scare tactics

3 when you hear us speaking at this podium or

4 if you get information from the fire union,

5 yeah, it is scare tactic and it should be

6 scare tactics because these things can

7 happen and this is what we try to prevent

8 all the time and it falls on deaf ears all

9 of the time especially with this

10 administration. That's all I have to say.

11 MS. GATELLI: Thank.

12 MS. KRAKE: My name is Nancy Krake.

13 Someone just raised an issue about the

14 certification of our inspectors and our

15 HVAC, heating, ventilation and air

16 conditioning inspector is certified, they

17 all work under a master code official. I

18 don't believe Mark Dougher or Mark

19 Setizinger have any certifications.

20 Our housing inspectors are certified

21 per the jobs they don't fall under on that

22 website that the person was referring to.

23 They are all able to enforce the BOCA Code

24 which the police could not enforce and also

25 our plumbing and electrical and master code
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1 official and even other HVAC inspector have

2 many years of construction experience which

3 is invaluable besides passing tests they

4 have actually worked in those fields for

5 many years.

6 Right now some of our rights have

7 been restored in council, but I feel rather

8 than thank the council persons who had us

9 searched before entering this building, for

10 those who tried to remove the cameras

11 instead I'm thankful that we have an

12 upcoming election in which these council

13 members have something at stake and I'm

14 sorry to say that I feel that was their

15 motivation. We have a council candidate

16 named Mr. Popil who says he is in favor of

17 decorum at council meetings. Well, what I

18 feel he thinks is decorum would be

19 oppression to the rest of us. I'm sorry to

20 say that I believe he wouldn't want us to be

21 able to speak here openly and publically as

22 well all council persons in the past have

23 done to us. He thinks like the mayor and he

24 talks like the mayor and he will vote for

25 everything the mayor wants. In the past he
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1 was voted for two tax increases while he was

2 on the school board and he has said

3 publically that he does support an increase

4 in taxes.

5 The true test of all council persons

6 is how they have voted. Three council

7 persons this evening have voted a 26 percent

8 tax increase and they have also voted for

9 making broken promises from the mayor, all

10 of his consultants, his bloated middle

11 management, and all of these things are what

12 we call the 2007 budget, and the sad thing

13 is they had a very viable alternative and

14 refused to even look at it. Thank you.

15 MR. TALIMINI: Good evening, Council.

16 My name is Joe Talimini and I couldn't help

17 by listen to Mr. Shriver and also Mr.

18 Gervasi about the fire at Stafford Avenue.

19 There's one thing that's very, very sad and

20 that is nobody has reported on the situation

21 that was encountered up there by the police

22 department. From 2:45 a.m. until almost

23 quarter after 5:00 in the morning the police

24 department could not get barricades from the

25 city. They called DPW, nobody had a key.
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1 They called Mr. Parker, nobody answered the

2 phone. You can pull up the tapes and find

3 out for yourself that this is all a fact.

4 We had police cars blocking all of the

5 traffic up there because people were driving

6 up there and running over the hoses.

7 I'm sure the fire department wasn't

8 aware of the fact that the police

9 departments was because they called at least

10 four times and I think Mr. Parker needs to

11 get out of here if he can't handle emergency

12 management in a situation like that.

13 Now, they had a problem with water.

14 They had a serious problem with water. A

15 fire of that nature you are going to draw

16 spectators and rubber neckers.

17 Unfortunately, the police were overtaxed and

18 that is a very, very crucial time of the

19 morning and you know that, Mr. Courtright.

20 MR. COURTRIGHT: I was there. Can I

21 say?

22 MR. TALIMINI: A very crucial time of

23 the morning. They could not get barricades

24 and I think this council owes a thank you to

25 the University of Scranton which donated the
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1 barricades and brought them up because the

2 City DPW could not furnish them. Thank you.

3 MR. COURTRIGHT: Mrs. Gatelli, may I

4 say something?

5 MS. GATELLI: Sure.

6 MR. COURTRIGHT: I was there that

7 evening, I was at the fire and they couldn't

8 get the barricades and I just -- I was busy

9 this week, I wasn't able to do it, but I had

10 every intention of sending a letter to

11 Mr. Hayes and asking that if they would

12 leave a key for where the barricades are

13 stored in the police department. I mean, we

14 trust them with our lives, I think we can

15 trust them with a key to get our barricades.

16 I just haven't -- to be perfectly honest, I

17 haven't had a chance to write the letter,

18 but if they leave it down at the police

19 station whoever the commander is of the

20 shift, they have a key to get the

21 barricades, they are always looking for

22 barricades, and I think we can trust them,

23 and that certainly was a problem. It was a

24 Friday evening and that's traditionally,

25 believe it or not, it was as full moon and
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2 moon, and I it's superstitious, but it

3 happens and it was a busy night and they

4 were tied up blocking street off. You are

5 100 percent correct. Thank you.

6 MR. ANCHERANI: Good evening. Nelson

7 Ancherani, taxpayer, city employee, and

8 resident of the City of Scranton. I just

9 want to say Mrs. Krake forgot to say

10 Mr. Courtright voted for Mrs. Evans' budget.

11 He did not vote for the budget increase.

12 I started attending city council

13 meetings in the Summer of 2002 speaking

14 against the Recovery Plan that the mayor

15 wrote and the Recovery Plan if implemented

16 striped the unions of everything they had

17 gained in negotiations and bargaining. In

18 2002, November, the Recovery Plan was on the

19 ballot for a yes or no answer. A, yes,

20 would be for the Recovery Plan a, no, would

21 be against it. The mayor had to be

22 concerned that the plan was going to be

23 rejected because right before the election

24 he threatened that if the Recovery Plan was

25 rejected he would raise our taxes. The
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1 voters in that election voted with their

2 wallets and not with the merits of the

3 Recovery Plans. Only a few people read it

4 and knew what was in it. It was a scare

5 tactic that worked at the time but has come

6 back to bite the taxpayers on the butt. I

7 said at the time that taxes would be raised

8 and raised high. I told you so, not this

9 council, but previous ones.

10 Before the Recovery Plan was voted

11 for our debt was 26 million. Since the

12 Recovery Plan was enacted we are now 300

13 million in long-term debt for at least the

14 next 28 years. The Recovery Plan was

15 supposed to get the city financially sound

16 by being balanced on the backs of city

17 employees and the unions are getting the

18 blame for the dire financial blight of the

19 city. The mayor and slimes like the

20 implementation of the Recovery Plan that it

21 had to be implemented for the city to become

22 financially stable.

23 Well, here we are in 2007 and the

24 plan is not implemented, the city is buried

25 in 300 million long-term debt, we are in the
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1 first year of a 25 percent tax increase

2 voted for by Mrs. Gatelli, Ms. Fanucci and

3 Mr. McGoff. We are faced with a 56 1/2

4 percent Scranton Sewer Authority rate hike,

5 we have a record 77 and a half million city

6 budget and it's the unions who get the

7 blame. I'm going to remind you again that

8 the unions got nothing. Nothing. And we

9 are still 300 million dollars in debt. The

10 300 million plus came on Doherty's watch.

11 It's his B and S attitude that has us where

12 we are today.

13 Couple this 300 million from the

14 city and the 200 million by the county we

15 have approximately a 500 million death,

16 that's one half billion dollars.

17 For the citizens and taxpayers of

18 the City of Scranton and Lackawanna County

19 the mayor immediately violated the Recovery

20 Plan by creating new positions and gave

21 raises to selected persons to the tune of

22 11 million dollars.

23 MR. MINORA: Time.

24 MR. ANCHERANI: While continuing to

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3 MS. GATELLI: Thank you. Anyone

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