1 SCRANTON CITY COUNCIL MEETING
6 Thursday, May 3, 2007
10 6:30 p.m.
14 Council Chambers
15 Scranton City Hall
16 340 North Washington Avenue
17 Scranton, Pennsylvania
23 Lisa M. Graff, RMR
24 Court Reporter
1 CITY OF SCRANTON COUNCIL:
3 MS. JUDY GATELLI, COUNCIL PRESIDENT
5 MR. WILLIAM COURTRIGHT, VICE-PRESIDENT
7 MS. JANET EVANS
9 MS. SHERRY NEALON FANUCCI
11 MR. ROBERT MCGOFF
13 MR. AMIL MINORA, ESQUIRE, SOLICITOR
15 MS. KAY GARVEY, CITY CLERK
17 MR. NEIL COOLICAN, ASSISTANT CITY CLERK
1 MS. GATELLI: Please stand for the
2 Pledge Of Allegiance. Please remain
3 standing for a moment of reflection. Roll
5 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Evans.
6 MS. EVANS: Here.
7 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Fanucci.
8 MS. FANUCCI: Here.
9 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. McGoff.
10 MR. MCGOFF: Here.
11 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. Courtright.
12 MR. COURTRIGHT: Here.
13 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Gatelli.
14 MS. GATELLI: Here. Dispense with
15 the reading of the minutes.
16 MS. GARVEY: Third order. 3-A,
17 MINUTES OF THE POLICE PENSION COMMISSION
18 MEETING HELD ON MARCH 28, 2007.
19 MS. GATELLI: Are there any
20 comments? If not, received and filed.
21 MS. GARVEY: 3-B, MINUTES OF THE
22 FIREMEN'S PENSION COMMISSION MEETING HELD ON
23 MARCH 28, 2007.
24 MS. GATELLI: Are there any
25 comments? If not, received and filed.
1 MS. GARVEY: 3-C, AGENDA FOR THE
2 ZONING HEARING BOARD MEETING TO BE HELD ON
3 MAY 9, 2007.
4 MS. GATELLI: Are there any
5 comments? If not, received and filed.
6 MS. GARVEY: That's all I have for
7 third order.
8 MS. GATELLI: Just a few
9 announcements before we start the meeting.
10 This evening from six to ten at Rocky's
11 Lounge on Jefferson Avenue, there's a
12 fundraiser for Matt Grendell from six to
14 On Saturday, May 12 at St. Lucy's
15 Church there will be a night at the races at
16 6 p.m. in the church hall.
17 The Armed Forces parade is May 19 at
18 10:30 in Downtown Scranton.
19 This weekend on Saturday and Sunday,
20 there will be a cleanup at The Hill
21 Neighborhood. They will be meeting at 8:30
22 in the morning at 700 North Irving Avenue.
23 Vests and bags and gloves will be provided.
24 I received a notice from
25 Pennsylvania American Gas and Water -- or
1 Pennsylvania American Water Company, excuse
2 me, and they are requesting a 14.73 percent
3 rate increase.
4 As you recall, when the gas company
5 applied for this, Council voted that either
6 one of us would go representing the city or
7 Mrs. Garvey would go, if it was during work
8 hours, so I'd like to make a motion that we
9 do the same, request a public hearing in
10 Scranton from the PUC, and also that one of
11 us or Mrs. Garvey will go represent us.
12 MS. EVANS: Second.
13 MS. GATELLI: On the question? All
14 in favor.
15 MS. EVANS: Aye.
16 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Aye.
17 MR. MCGOFF: Aye.
18 MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.
19 MS. GATELLI: Aye. Opposed? The
20 ayes have it and so moved.
21 MS. GATELLI: I received a letter
22 from Jeff Brazil concerning that Pine Brook
23 baseball field that we heard about last
24 week, and they started to aerate the
25 outfield and they ordered 50 tons of infield
1 mix. So, they're well underway to getting
2 the fields ready, and we thank Mr. Brazil
3 for that.
4 I got a complaint, and it happens to
5 be one of my pet peeves, and nothing ever
6 seems to be done about it, so I would ask
7 Kay to contact Ray Hayes.
8 I've contacted him before as a
9 neighborhood president concerning this
10 matter, but for anyone that comes from South
11 Side into Central City, especially in the
12 morning, it's impossible to come over the
14 The traffic from 81 is coming so
15 fast that you cannot get into the lanes to
16 come into Central City.
17 No one obeys the yield sign. There
18 is a yield sign there at the end of the
19 highway, but you no one pays attention.
20 They're coming 40 to 50 miles an hour. Some
21 of them are tractor-trailers, and there's
22 going to be a catastrophe there. So, if you
23 could please notify Mr. Hayes of that
25 I remember when Jimmy Klee was here,
1 he used to station the police there, you
2 know, stopping them, and then it would curb
3 it for a little while, and then it would
4 start again. But if do it every now and
5 then, it gives people a reason to slow down.
6 Also, the house at 1101 Cedar, we
7 haven't gotten an answer, and I know there's
8 at least three of us who have complained
9 about it. It's the old bistro on Cedar
10 Avenue and East Elm street.
11 The windows are all broken out,
12 there's pigeons in there, so please send a
13 note to Mr. Seitzinger and Mr. Fiorini to
14 have it boarded up, and if we could have a
15 status of what is happening there.
16 And I saved the best for last. I'm
17 very happy to announce that one of our
18 colleagues had a winning team at Scranton
19 High School. Mrs. Evans, the moderator of
20 the scholastic bowl, beat 30 other regional
21 champions to win the state title.
22 Nate Stebbins, Mark Cannon, Michael
23 Garzarella, former Junior Councilman, Rachel
24 Fogley and Lauren Mursch.
25 We're very proud of you, Mrs. Evans,
1 and we want to go to Disney World, too.
2 If you'd like to wait until they
3 come home to give them a proclamation or we
4 could do it before, whatever you prefer.
5 MS. EVANS: I actually was going to
6 ask this evening all of you if you wouldn't
7 mind honoring them with a proclamation,
8 because really all honors and admiration is
9 due to them.
10 They worked very hard and they're a
11 credit to their parents and to our school
12 and to our city, and I think this would go a
13 very long way to encourage that winning
15 MS. GATELLI: I did see them once
16 about two weeks ago on Channel 44.
17 MS. EVANS: Oh, that's the
18 scholastic scrimmage. They were actually
19 participating in two separate competitions,
20 the scrimmage and the scholastic bowl.
21 The scrimmage is sponsored by the
22 United States Army, and for the second
23 consecutive year, they have won that
24 championship and are the number one group of
25 students in both NEIU 18 and 19, and then
1 the scholastic bowl is the locally sponsored
2 by NEIU 19, and they had won first place
3 there, which is how they qualified to
4 represent this region in state competition,
5 which was magnificent because they competed
6 in the House and Senate Chambers. So, it
7 was most impressive.
8 MS. GATELLI: Well, you make the
9 arrangements, and we will certainly honor
11 MS. EVANS: Thank you.
12 MS. GATELLI: That's all I have.
13 Does anyone else have anything?
14 MS. EVANS: Yes, I have one
15 announcement. Attention Scranton and
16 surrounding area Veterans of the Korean and
17 Vietnam Wars. Interviews will be conducted
18 for the Veterans History Project on May 19,
19 2007, which is Armed Forces Day at Scranton
20 High School from 9:00 a.m. to 4 p.m.
21 The goal is to collect and archive
22 personal recollections of wartime Veterans
23 to honor their service and share their
24 stories with current and future generations.
25 All interviews will be conducted by
1 juniors and seniors at Scranton High School
2 from the cold war to the war on terror and
3 journalism classes.
4 Also, any documents, that is,
5 memoirs, letters, journals, military papers,
6 maps, et cetera, and photographs can be
7 included, either the original or high
8 quality copies.
9 Veterans of World War I, World War
10 II, the Persian Gulf War and the current
11 Afghanistan and Iraq conflicts are all
13 And for information or to schedule
14 an interview on that day, please contact Mr.
15 Sean Curry at 407-2955, or you can E-mail
16 this wonderful social studies teacher at
18 And James Piazza, who is a Junior
19 Council member, has with him this evening a
20 number of brochures that explain further
21 this project.
22 And if anyone would be interested in
23 participating, I know one of our regular
24 speakers is a Veteran, and perhaps he would
25 consider involving himself in this project,
1 Mr. Jackowitz.
2 MR. JACKOWITZ: I was already asked
3 last week.
4 MS. EVANS: Wonderful. James, you
5 got right on it. Congratulations. So, you
6 can just see James Piazza, if anyone would
7 be interested in participating. He will
8 have that information available, not only
9 tonight, but again at next week's meeting
10 and the following week. Thank you.
11 MS. GATELLI: Thank you. And I just
12 have one more announcement that I forgot.
13 Please offer your prayers. Mr. McGoff's
14 sister-in-law passed away today, Mary
15 Nealon, so please keep her in your prayers,
16 and he will be leaving us after the business
17 portion of the meeting. Mr. Piccolino.
18 MR. PICCOLINO: Giovanni Piccolino,
19 taxpayer, citizen of the City of Scranton.
20 I just had a question on 7-E here. How
21 could we possibly give a business $250,000
22 when they're in litigation with the city for
23 the parking lot across the street next door
24 to us, which is part of their business?
25 And if that's the case, then we have
1 Mr. Doherty saying, We've reached out to
2 them, we set money aside, but no agreement
3 has been reached.
4 Then if you guys are using eminent
5 domain on us, so you guys could still give
6 us a loan because you're using eminent
7 domain on their parking lot but you're
8 giving money to their business.
9 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: The parking lot
10 is a separate piece of property. It has
11 nothing to do with the existing business.
12 MR. PICCOLINO: Yeah, they park
14 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Of course they
15 park there.
16 MR. PICCOLINO: That makes them --
17 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: The money --
18 MR. PICCOLINO: -- get business.
19 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Do you want the
20 answer or do you want to talk?
21 MR. PICCOLINO: Sure.
22 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Okay. The
23 money that is being given is for the
24 existing business. It is for all of the
25 equity that's been put in the business
1 already, and it's to expand the business.
2 Also, the owner of the operation has
3 put her own money into the business, almost
4 $2 million of it.
5 There are two different parcels,
6 there are two different issues. And saying
7 eminent domain is taken on that lot, it has
8 nothing to do with the existing business.
9 Also, she would still be responsible for the
10 payback of the loan.
11 MR. PICCOLINO: It definitely has to
12 do with the business, because they park
13 their cars there in order to go get a
14 haircut, of course it does.
15 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: It does not
16 have anything to do with the loan. It has
17 nothing to do with the application of the
18 loan, it has nothing to do with the reason
19 for the loan. It really doesn't. It's a
20 totally separate issue.
21 MR. PICCOLINO: Okay. Thanks for
22 the answer.
23 MS. GATELLI: Thank you. Mr.
25 MR. SBARAGLIA: Andy Sbaraglia,
1 citizen of Scranton. Fellow Scrantonians,
2 I'm looking under motions, under B, when
3 we're deleting certain projects and adding
4 certain projects, and under that it has
5 emergency shelter grant.
6 That isn't the money that was denied
7 from Bethel AME Church last year, was it,
8 for their program?
9 If you remember, we promised a lot
10 of money to Bethel AME Church, and then they
11 didn't get it.
12 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: I don't believe
13 that that's the same existing loan or grant.
14 And the reason that Bethel AME -- I believe
15 there was a problem with the way that the
16 application was filed, is the reason they
17 did not receive the money, from what I
19 MR. SBARAGLIA: Well, if you recall,
20 they did a lot of damage, the city
21 constantly does damage, and I believe if
22 they had available money now and you're
23 going to delete it, I think in some way,
24 shape or form funnel it in for the money
25 that they lost out on on that project.
1 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Right. I do
2 believe if the application was filed
3 correctly, they probably again would receive
4 another grant.
5 And from what I recall, that's what
6 this money was reserved for in the beginning
7 was for shelters, but because the
8 application was -- I believe it was tied up
9 because of contractors, from what I recall
11 MR. SBARAGLIA: I realize that, but
12 also this was a project that was well needed
13 in the city.
14 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: I agree.
15 MR. SBARAGLIA: They should have
16 been there -- these other people seem to get
17 their money because their paperwork is filed
18 real nice.
19 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Right.
20 MR. SBARAGLIA: But this one wasn't
21 filed. It went before her. They should
22 have helped her with it. If there was
23 anything done, they should have done it
25 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: I agree.
1 MR. SBARAGLIA: So, they pull the
2 money away. Whether they wanted to give it
3 in the first place, I don't know, but I
4 thought that was a very bad deal.
5 Okay. Let's move onto 5-C. We have
6 to buy a used fire truck? We can no longer
7 afford to even get a truck, even if we get
8 the bank to buy it like we leased our pack
10 MR. COURTRIGHT: What it is, Andy,
11 is that we usually have two in reserve in
12 the event that one breaks down, we have two,
13 you know, to replace them.
14 We were short one of the reserve
15 ones, so they're going to -- my
16 understanding is they're going to go out and
17 try to buy a reserve, it's a reserve fire
18 truck, because a regular fire truck could
19 cost $300,000, $400,000.
20 MR. SBARAGLIA: Right. Usually
21 with, like, the pack masters, we go to the
22 bank and cry to them, and they buy them and
23 then we lease it back, as we do with the
24 pack masters.
25 But I think it's something like this
1 could have been done there. I don't know
2 what's involved with fire trucks inside the
3 city, because I'm not privy to that
5 I do know that I think the life
6 expectancy of one is 20 years. So,
7 somewhere along the line, maybe with a
8 reserve, you might get one maybe 15 or
10 But usually when we do that, we get
11 a beat up one. So, if we're only going to
12 park it in a lot and look at it and say it's
13 pretty, all well and good, but if we really
14 need it and now our primary fire engines are
15 coming up 20 years, maybe we should go cry
16 to the bank again.
17 MR. MINORA: Time.
18 MR. SBARAGLIA: I thank you.
19 MR. MCCLOE: Good evening. My name
20 is Brett McCloe, homeowner, Scranton
21 taxpayer. I don't have a real lot to say,
22 but I would like to talk about that loan to
23 Alexander's and the -- what I believe what
24 should be happening with some of these loans
25 that we give to some of these smaller
1 businesses, and mostly to the larger
2 businesses. It not fair for me to pick on a
3 smaller business like that, but I think
4 sometimes we need a City Council to lobby
5 for the people, instead of the City Council
6 lobbying for businesses.
7 I think that giving this loan to
8 this place might be a good idea. It's not
9 an issue with me, but at what point, like I
10 spoke last week, and I got a little upset,
11 at what point do some of these businesses
12 have a social responsibility to the people?
13 I mean, yes, you're getting a loan,
14 that's great, that's coming out of the
15 people's pockets, but what can you do for
16 the people besides providing a tax base and
18 There's something more. There has
19 to be something more. In order to restore
20 pride, pride is not a building, pride is
21 something that we carry inside.
22 Like I said, I mentioned free
23 swimming for the kids, and I'm sure all of
24 these folks that got these loans over the
25 past year, these big businesses, even if
1 they came out of their pockets just a little
2 bit, just to make the children laugh, buy
3 ice cream, do whatever it takes. That's
4 pride, not a building. A building is not
5 pride. That's all I got to say.
6 MS. GATELLI: Thank you. Mr.
8 MR. SPINDLER: Good evening,
9 Council, Les Spindler. 7-C, the money for
10 the snow removal winter storms, I think we
11 should vote that down, because all that is
12 is repaying campaign contributors to the
13 Doherty campaign. And here's some examples.
14 This is just for plowing and salting
15 of the Scranton Police Department's parking
16 lot, December 7, 2006, $712.50; January 19,
17 '07, $387.50; January 20, '07, $387.50;
18 January 25, '07, $757.50; January 31, '07,
19 $757.50; February 14, '07, $2,973.06;
20 February 16, 2007, $3,297.01, for a total of
21 $9,272.57 by Scartelli Construction, who was
22 a Doherty campaign contributor. Don't we
23 have a DPW department that could have done
24 that for nothing?
25 This is just some of the wasteful
1 spending and why this city is in such
2 terrible debt that we're in, and 7-C should
3 be voted down.
4 Moving on to 7-E, I think this
5 should be tabled, since this might go to
6 litigation. It doesn't make sense to pass
7 it through and then have the courts do
8 something else with it. That's all I have
9 to say on that. Thank you.
10 MS. GATELLI: Thank you. Mr.
12 MR. JACKOWITZ: Bill Jackowitz,
13 South Scranton. First of all, I would like
14 to offer my condolences to Mr. McGoff and
15 his wife on their loss, and also I'd like to
16 thank City Council for doing away with the
17 security system today. I hope that that's
18 going to continue on for the remainder of
19 this year and each year afterwards.
20 Okay. The $325,000 snow removal
21 bill. If you hire a plumber on the weekend
22 or after hours, he will charge you overtime
23 rates. If the plumber does not repair your
24 problem, do you pay him? No.
25 The same philosophy should apply for
1 snow removal. We all know that the snow was
2 not properly removed after the St.
3 Valentine's Day storm.
4 Instead of asking for the overtime
5 money, Mayor Doherty, Mr. Parker and Mr.
6 Vitras should be apologizing to all the
7 Scranton citizens who were stuck in snow or
8 delayed because of horrible conditions of
9 the city streets. Do not vote yes on this
10 issue tonight.
11 Please, please, take another week or
12 whatever you need to take. If we don't get
13 the invoices, please, I'm asking you, do not
14 vote yes.
15 Mr. Courtright, Mr. McGoff, Mrs.
16 Fanucci, President Gatelli, is a business,
17 I'm talking about the loan now to
18 Alexander's, if a business is $116,000
19 delinquent on their state taxes and they get
20 a loan, are they a viable business -- a
21 viable business?
22 Lackawanna Station was given a loan
23 just six, seven weeks ago. It comes out in
24 the paper they're $116,000 behind on their
25 state taxes. This has happened before with
1 this Council where people were given loans
2 and we come to find out that they don't pay
3 their taxes.
4 I don't want to see this happen with
5 Alexander's. If they got these liens
6 against them right now and judgments against
7 them right now, chances are sooner or later
8 down the road something is going to come up
9 and the taxpayers are going to take it in
10 the shorts again. We really, really need to
11 stop this.
12 Again, if the Radisson got their
13 loan obviously pre-work and the checking out
14 prior to getting a loan was not done because
15 it would have been known that they were
16 $116,000 delinquent in their taxes, and they
17 -- and that wasn't done.
18 So, again, I'm asking you, please
19 look into this. Obviously somebody is not
20 doing their job because we would have known
21 it. And I don't want to see this happen
22 again. I definitely don't want to see this
23 happen with Alexander's.
24 And, again, as far as the free
25 swimming thing goes, we have a campaign
1 going now to raise money for free swimming.
2 I went to four other businesses that we have
3 given loans to of $250,000 or $150,000, and
4 I was denied a $25 donation by all four of
5 them --
6 MR. MINORA: Time.
7 MR. JACKOWITZ: After we gave them
8 $250,000, they couldn't give the kids of
9 Scranton $25. Thank you.
10 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: I'm going to
11 answer some of your questions for you,
12 because it was not any different from the
13 questions I had during the week.
14 As far as the loan for The Radisson,
15 when they had done the investigation, they
16 had received a certificate claiming that
17 their taxes were all up to speed. They have
18 that. They will not close that loan until
19 they settle the tax problem.
20 The tax problem was issued after the
21 loan was applied for. They had their
22 certificate to prove it. No loan can close,
23 unless all your taxes are paid up in full.
24 As far as the business with
25 Alexander's, we have all looked into this as
1 a Council. There's no merit to those
2 claims. It was already decided upon that
3 the owner who applied for the application is
4 the sole owner of the property. She is the
5 one who will be responsible for the loans.
6 The rest of the problems that
7 occurred here unfortunately had to do with
8 some personal problems. I'm hoping that
9 that does not happen again tonight. This is
10 not a place to air dirty laundry, it's a
11 place of business and legislation.
12 Sherry has met all the
13 qualifications for her business and
14 Alexander's. She's a very important part of
15 our downtown. She is expanding her business
16 with tons of employees and making this a
17 really wonderful place for everyone.
18 And I know a lot of us will say, you
19 know, this is somewhere people go. Yeah,
20 Dave is out there feeling his face. Dave
21 likes it.
22 But we -- this is not the issue.
23 She is not -- she has no liens on her, she
24 is clean. Her application has been gone
25 over and gone over, and it is appropriate
1 and fine to be passed, so that is all I have
2 to say on that right now.
3 MS. GATELLI: Thank you. I can't
4 read the last the next one I think it's Matt
5 or Michael.
6 MR. STIVALA: My name is Mark
7 Stivala. I'm here to address the Alexander
8 issue again. I guess I'll just mostly be
9 speaking to Sherry, because she's the one
10 that seems to address everything on this.
11 Did you guys look into any of the
12 allegations that I said last week?
13 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: We certainly
14 did. In fact, we have the letter from
15 Sherry's attorney stating all of the facts
16 that were proved and what was allegations
17 and how they turned out to be.
18 MR. STIVALA: What attorney?
19 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Her attorney.
20 MR. STIVALA: Yeah, who's her
22 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Well, I can go
23 to Attorney Minora for the details on that.
24 We all received the letter.
25 MR. MINORA: Well, actually the
1 letter we got was from John Cerra, and I
2 also was called by Attorney Bridget Carey,
3 who basically confirmed the things that John
4 Cerra reported to us in those letters.
5 MR. STIVALA: Okay. And last week
6 and this week you referred to that she's
7 putting $2 million into this project, do you
8 have anything to prove that she's doing $2
9 million worth of construction?
10 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: The OECD has
11 documented proof on what was done and the
12 appraisal and everything, yes.
13 I mean, she would not qualify for
14 this loan unless she had to come up with
15 some type of collateral. So, yes, that has
16 all been proven.
17 I mean, as far as the loan
18 application, she is fine. As far as what
19 has gone on with you, I can't -- I mean,
20 that has nothing to do with the loan
21 application and the fact she qualifies and
22 the fact it is her business, and the fact if
23 the business fails, she is the one who's
24 responsible for the loan, yes.
25 Unfortunately that is our job,
1 that's all we can go on.
2 MR. STIVALA: That's fine. That's
3 your answer, right?
4 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: That is my
6 MR. STIVALA: Okay. That's fine.
7 And also you said that you had a private
8 meeting with Sherry?
9 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: No, I did not
10 say I had a private meeting with Sherry, I
11 said I had spoken to her. I had called
12 OECD, I had talked to everyone with -- after
13 the allegations, I made several phone calls
14 after your appearance here last week.
15 MR. STIVALA: Well, no, last week
16 after I spoke because you didn't speak to
18 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Yes, I spoke to
20 MR. STIVALA: No. After I spoke,
21 you addressed everybody here and said that
22 several of you have met with Sherry and
23 talked to her.
24 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: No, I did not
25 say that. I had never met with Sherry.
1 MR. STIVALA: Okay. I'd like to
2 know how Carl Greco is handling the
3 condemnation on the lot across the street,
4 by the way, which you misquoted that.
5 Alexander's, the building
6 Alexander's is housed by, is also owned by M
7 & S Corporation, which stands for Mark and
8 Sherry, okay? And that lot across the
9 street is --
10 MS. GATELLI: Attorney Minora, would
11 you please make a ruling on this?
12 MR. MINORA: I don't know that we
13 want to hear about a divorce proceeding.
14 MR. STIVALA: It's not a divorce
15 proceeding. This is to address -- well, let
16 me just finish speaking a couple other
17 things and then I'll sit down.
18 I want to know how Carl Greco is
19 handling the condemnation and also handling
20 a loan to Sherry and Alexander's.
21 MR. MINORA: Three minutes.
22 MS. GATELLI: Thank you. Mr.
24 MR. PATILLA: Sam Patilla, Scranton
25 resident, Scranton taxpayer. I also want to
1 speak about that $250,000 to Alexander's.
2 When you talk about viable
3 businesses, I think 40 years in the City of
4 Scranton is pretty valuable. And to make
5 them pay 25 percent due to the facade of
6 that building and then give somebody who's
7 been in this city for five years or less
8 $250,000, a quarter of a million dollars is
10 Me personally, I just think they're
11 giving that woman that money because she's
12 dating a DeNaples.
13 All right. Now, as far as the snow
14 removal is concerned, okay, I'm glad to see
15 the things were amended from the 13th to the
16 14th to the 15th to now read 16th and 17th,
17 all right?
18 But through my investigation, I
19 found out that roughly 80 percent of these
20 companies are not Scranton businesses. You
21 know, here again you got another DeNaples.
22 There's Clarks Summit, Dunmore, Archbald,
23 Jessup, Sweet Valley, Moscow, you know.
24 And just like was said earlier, you
25 know, this city was plowed -- snowed in for
1 almost a week. I'd love to know how all
2 these people got here, you know, on all
3 those roads from all that snow. It's just
4 playing games.
5 Mrs. Evans, Mr. Courtright, I'd like
6 to find out if any OECD funds were used at
7 that Spanish festival up in Nay Aug Park.
8 All right. I know for a fact that
9 this city isn't marketing those funds to
10 minorities, to the low and moderate income
11 businesses and people in this city, because
12 if they were, that $250,000 they're giving
13 to Alexander's would go to the small barber
14 shops, the beauty parlors, the minority, the
15 Spanish barber shops, the Spanish beauty
16 parlors, the black-owned African
17 American-owned beauty parlors and barber
18 shops. And they're not doing it, all right?
19 This is just -- this stuff really has to
21 I also have a problem with taking
22 money out of that bond fund. I'm all for
23 the police and the fire department, don't
24 get me wrong, I'm all for that, but taking
25 money out of that fund is dead wrong.
1 That's dead wrong.
2 That money shouldn't be touched
3 until its initial purpose comes to play.
4 That's the only reason you dip into that
6 If Doherty needs money to go get us
7 another used fire truck, let him get it from
8 one of these people, especially DeNaples.
9 He constantly subcontracts businesses out
10 to. They're constantly giving our money to
11 that man. Let him give some of that back to
12 the city. Let The Times-Tribune, let them
13 give some money back to the city, you know?
14 The non-profits aren't going to give
15 any money to this city as long as Mr.
16 Gatelli and Mr. Doherty are in office in
17 this city. That's a fact, Jack. It's not
18 going to happen.
19 Once we get them out of play, we're
20 fine and dandy. And you can ask that lady
21 who owns Alexander's to save you one of them
22 barber chairs, because we getting you out of
24 MS. EVANS: Kay, could we send a
25 letter, please, to OECD asking about -- I
1 think it's what Mr. Patilla addressed
2 originally about a festival at the park on
3 Saturday, what funds would have been used
4 and in what amount, and then we'll report
5 that to Mr. Patilla.
6 MS. GATELLI: All right. Mr.
8 MR. HUBBARD: Good evening, Council.
9 A couple questions, one on 5-B, for the
10 consolidation of the funds. Is that
11 $281,000 floating around in there yet? No?
12 How come?
13 It was designated -- actually that
14 $281,000 was originally designated as part
15 of the $400,000 for the SRA, but then it was
16 switched over to the giant sinkhole on
17 Pittston Avenue.
18 When you first introduced that
19 $281,000 as returning it back to
20 consolidated fund, I was told by Ms. Fanucci
21 that that was actually designated for the
22 East Mountain Flood Project.
23 Well, actually it wasn't. It was
24 originally designated for the hole on
25 Pittston Avenue, then somehow it went up to
1 East Mountain and they didn't use it for
2 flood projects. Now where is it?
3 MS. EVANS: I'm actually -- if --
4 well, I'll wait until you're finished. I
5 don't want to take your time.
6 MR. HUBBARD: Okay. So, we're
7 consolidating these funds and the grants.
8 What are we doing when we're consolidating
9 the money that we didn't use or the money
10 that's out there? What are we doing about
11 the money that we've loaned that we didn't
12 get back, specifically where's the half a
13 million dollars that we gave to LJC to
14 revamp the Scranton Laceworks in April --
15 no, actually in September, September 23, I'm
16 sorry, September -- three days before we got
17 flooded, LJC got a half million dollars to
18 redo the Laceworks. Then we got flooded,
19 then they pulled the plug on the deal.
20 Where is the money? Did we get that back?
21 So, if we can't get $500,000 back
22 from a college that's in our city, how are
23 we going to expect that we're going to get
24 $250,000 back from a business?
25 Because the college is going to be
1 there a lot longer than --
2 MS. EVANS: Mr. Hubbard --
3 MS. GATELLI: They never got that
5 MR. HUBBARD: They never got that
7 MS. EVANS: No. I think in order to
8 receive the money, you would have seen an
9 ongoing project, and then the funds would be
10 released as that project progressed, but
11 because there has been no movement, it would
12 be my belief that that $500,000 is still in
13 OECD's possession.
14 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: And, Daniel, I
15 had stated before, we had only had two loans
16 in the history of years and years and years
17 of people that have defaulted, and actually
18 we're into one now.
19 MR. HUBBARD: How is The Ice Box
20 doing on their money? They pay that back?
21 Didn't we loan a significant amount of money
22 to The Ice Box?
23 MS. EVANS: They owe us $600,000
24 that they have not yet paid.
25 MR. HUBBARD: Oh, and -- but wait,
1 they don't have to pay that back. That's
2 great. They don't have to. We just gave
3 that money out.
4 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Not this year.
5 MR. HUBBARD: Not this year, oh,
6 okay. So, Alexander's is going to pay the
7 $250,000 in a year?
8 MS. GATELLI: In 20 years.
9 MR. HUBBARD: Twenty years. Okay.
10 MS. GATELLI: Plus interest.
11 MR. HUBBARD: Okay. Plus interest?
12 Okay. That's a good one.
13 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Yes, yes, five
15 MR. HUBBARD: So, where is the
16 $281,000 that was designated for two
17 different flood projects and never got used
18 for either one of them?
19 MR. MINORA: Time.
20 MS. EVANS: That actually, since his
21 time was up, that was my question, because I
22 hope many of you reviewed what was sent to
23 us from OECD in terms of the legislation
25 MS. GATELLI: Mr. Hubbard was here.
1 MS. EVANS: Right. And I was
2 absent, and I know that the $281,000 is no
3 longer listed among those project that the
4 money seems to be pulled from. And can
5 anyone then fill me in on the status of the
7 MS. GATELLI: I believe it's in
8 there, but the $281,000 that was in there
9 was not flood money, it was money that the
10 city set aside in case they needed it for
11 that sinkhole.
12 MS. EVANS: Right. That I
13 understood, because I was on Council when
14 that occurred.
15 MS. GATELLI: It was a match.
16 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: It was a match.
17 MS. GATELLI: And it wasn't needed.
18 MS. EVANS: Yes, and I know that.
19 And I think Mr. Courtright can verify this
20 for me, you had asked and I had asked, as
21 well, in the event that that money would not
22 have been used by the city for that huge
23 hole on Pittston Avenue, how much was
24 remaining, how could it be used in other
25 cases, because there were many projects in
1 which we were interested at the time, and we
2 never -- I shouldn't speak for you -- I
3 never received an answer.
4 MR. COURTRIGHT: Now, recently,
5 though, when they transferred money to the
6 East Mountain project and it was moved from
7 there, I believe they didn't designate it
8 for any specific project.
9 MS. GATELLI: No.
10 MR. COURTRIGHT: They didn't want us
11 to hold up this legislation, so they pulled
12 it out of legislation, and I guess it's just
14 MS. GATELLI: It hasn't been used.
15 MR. COURTRIGHT: It's still in the
17 MS. EVANS: It's still there?
18 MR. COURTRIGHT: Right.
19 MS. EVANS: And for the East
20 Mountain project, flood project, was that
21 East Mountain Road or East Mountain, because
22 I know that throughout East Mountain, there
23 are many areas that are still badly flooded.
24 MS. GATELLI: I think it was that
25 project. It would have to be for that
1 particular project.
2 MR. COURTRIGHT: And they blighted
3 that area in order to do that, and I know
4 Mr. Hubbard had questions about that in the
6 MS. EVANS: Just so I am sure I'm
7 hearing everyone correctly then, the
8 $281,000, regardless of how it's titled, is
9 still available?
10 MS. GATELLI: Yes.
11 MR. COURTRIGHT: That's my
12 understanding, yes.
13 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Correct.
14 MS. EVANS: And has Mr. Renda
15 expressed a way in which OECD plans --
16 MR. COURTRIGHT: No.
17 MS. EVANS: -- to spend that?
18 MR. COURTRIGHT: He's not saying.
19 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: It's not
21 MR. COURTRIGHT: I think --
22 MS. EVANS: If it's not designated,
23 can Council make requests for designations?
24 MR. COURTRIGHT: I think sometimes
25 this money, I hate to keep going back to the
1 UDAG, but I can never --
2 MS. GATELLI: Yeah, but it's not
4 MR. COURTRIGHT: I know it's not
5 UDAG, but it reminds me of it. I could
6 never find out how much UDAG money we have
7 and where it is and when it's available.
8 But I don't know if --
9 MS. GATELLI: Sometimes when it's
10 pulled back, they use it for a project that
11 over runs. Let's say you're doing a little
12 league and you're doing the dugouts and you
13 apply for $30,000, and the dugouts cost
14 $50,000, well, you can use some of that
15 extra money, you know, for projects that are
17 MR. COURTRIGHT: I think --
18 MS. GATELLI: Or new projects, if
19 they apply for a new project.
20 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: I could find
21 out if there's a way for us to -- if there's
22 a way for us to designate it or how much we
23 could designate it.
24 MR. COURTRIGHT: We tried.
25 MS. EVANS: Yes, we've been trying
1 for three years, so if you could get that
2 answer, I think it would be very helpful,
3 because I'm sure there are many
4 neighborhoods that would like to use that
5 money immediately.
6 MS. GATELLI: Anyone else? Mrs.
7 Garvey. Mrs. Evans.
8 MS. EVANS: Thank you. Good
9 evening, everyone. As Mrs. Gatelli
10 mentioned earlier, Scranton High School has
11 been very successful over the last week, and
12 the only reason that I again mention that is
13 because, first of all, I see in the audience
14 the grandfather of one of my team members,
15 Mr. Laske, and in addition, I did want to
16 explain my absence from last week's meeting.
17 I was in Harrisburg with the Scholastic Bowl
19 I'm also very pleased that a dog
20 park will be constructed at Connell Park,
21 because many citizens have requested it
22 during my years on Council.
23 I advocated for an enclosed dog
24 park, and I have witnessed in other cities
25 similar measures. They work very well. And
1 so now man's and woman's best friends can
2 safely enjoy exercise and socialization.
3 And citizens who are not dog owners may feel
4 more secure in the outdoor areas.
5 I also wish to thank Chief Elliott
6 for responding so quickly. In fact, he
7 responded in a matter of two days to my
8 questions regarding potential equipment
9 purchases for the motor carrier enforcement
11 So, again, only days I had an
12 answer. And I appreciate such cooperation
13 from a department head. I wish all of our
14 department heads would follow suit.
15 When reading my Council mail this
16 week, I noted that Mrs. Gatelli wished to
17 know when the OECD lease at the Scranton
18 Life Building ends.
19 As I developed my budget in
20 November 2006, I found this information,
21 because I wished to include a potential
22 savings which had been suggested by Mrs.
23 Gatelli in a Council budget.
24 I learned that OECD had already
25 renewed its lease, which was due to expire
1 in July 2006, and the renewal occurred prior
2 to July 2006. It is for a three-year period
3 at an increased monthly rent. This renewal
4 obviously occurred without the knowledge of
5 Scranton City Council.
6 I also noticed that a letter of
7 complaint from Mrs. Davis of the Scranton
8 Women's Softball League, and so I had
9 occasion earlier this week also to speak
10 with Mr. Brazil in person, and I did
11 describe the conditions at Pine Brook and
12 Rockwell to him, and as Mrs. Gatelli noted,
13 he indicated that the work was going to
14 begin shortly on both of those fields.
15 I also reported because of
16 complaints I had received from players, the
17 very poor condition of the parking lot at
18 Pine Brook. And, once again, Mr. Brazil
19 stated that the parking lot would be cleared
20 either by Parks and Rec workers or by
21 juvenile offenders as part of their
22 community service requirements.
23 There have been no responses
24 provided by Mr. Kresefski or Mr. Doherty to
25 the financial questions moved unanimously by
1 Council and due on or before May 2. So,
2 you, the taxpayers, should be aware that
3 Council's questions, once again, were
5 And, Kay, if you haven't already
6 done so, could you please send a petition
7 for permit parking to Mr. Savage?
8 MS. GARVEY: I know someone was in
9 the office this week, and I think it was he
10 that came in for that.
11 MS. EVANS: Wonderful, wonderful.
12 I'm glad to hear that. I also received an
13 E-mail that has me, well, has me frankly
14 upset. It's from city residents who had
15 questions about the meadow creek project in
16 Green Ridge, and they -- when first they
17 attempted to contact the city, they received
18 the runaround, and I think we've gone
19 through that story over and over in the last
20 three years, but they finally were able to
21 speak with Mr. Parker and other individuals,
22 I'm assuming here within the DPW, and they
23 report that they were treated very rudely
24 and that, in fact, someone came to their
25 house, and I'm going to quote here
1 apparently actually yelling and questioning
2 the project.
3 I do not condone such behavior on
4 the part of city employees, be they
5 management or workers. The people of the
6 city pay their wages, you and I pay those
7 wages, we pay our taxes, and everyone,
8 everyone, deserves to be treated with
9 respect, everyone deserves to be listened
11 I don't know if anyone, whether
12 you're running a business or you're in the
13 service industry, as I am, who can treat
14 people in that manner and get away with it.
15 And, so, I really, Kay, I'd like
16 this situation reported to Mr. Parker, and
17 I'd like a response from him. And following
18 the meeting, I'll provide him, you know,
19 with the names of the individuals just to
20 refresh his memory in the unfortunate event
21 that more than these people are treated
23 I think -- oh, one more thing, I'm
24 sorry. I had requested a good deal of
25 information from Mr. Parker concerning one
1 of the items on this evening's agenda
2 pertaining specifically to snow removal, and
3 I note that today I must have received
4 information, because my mailbox was cleared
5 yesterday and it wasn't there.
6 So, unfortunately, I have not had
7 the opportunity to peruse these
8 sufficiently, and, therefore, when we
9 introduce, well, actually it's not
10 introducing it, I believe it's in seventh
11 order, when we arrive at that piece of
12 legislation on tonight's agenda, I would ask
13 my colleagues to table it until such time as
14 we could all go through the reports from the
15 DPW before approving the payment. And
16 that's it.
17 MS. GATELLI: Thank you. Mrs.
19 MS. GATELLI: Excuse me. One more.
20 I inadvertently didn't ask if there were any
21 more speakers on the agenda items, and no
22 one else was signed in, but Mr. Morgan would
23 like to speak, so I'm going to go off key
24 here a little bit and give him an
25 opportunity to speak. If there's anyone
1 else that wants to speak on an agenda item,
2 please come up.
3 MR. MORGAN: Thank you. I'm glad
4 I'm really getting an opportunity to speak
5 after Janet tonight, because I agree with
6 her on tabling 7-C, because we just haven't
7 had any opportunity to have any information
8 on this.
9 I mean I know there was an emergency
10 here and we've got -- I've got a list of the
11 contractors, but I really would like to
12 concur with Mrs. Evans that we need to table
13 that until we can have an opportunity to
14 look at this, because I'm really troubled by
15 a lot of this stuff.
16 Because when you go to 5-C and then
17 you're here at 7-C, we're spending money
18 from a debt service, and I don't -- I'm just
19 really troubled by the way the whole
20 scenario is with all this plowing.
21 And then we have Mr. Spindler coming
22 up with a list, and I think that Mr.
23 Spindler and a lot of other people here are
24 on the ball, because I'm wondering what we
25 do have a DPW for if they weren't doing
1 their job.
2 And the other question I have is on
3 5-C, what are the specs of this truck? What
4 type truck is this? Is this a single axle?
5 What year is it? What's its capacities?
6 What's its pumping rate? I mean, do we have
7 any specs on this truck that we're going to
8 buy that's used?
9 MR. COURTRIGHT: No. I don't think
10 we have a specific truck yet. What the
11 truck is going to be used for, if I could
12 explain it, Lee, is that they have to
13 reserve in case one breaks down.
14 MR. MORGAN: Absolutely.
15 MR. COURTRIGHT: We only have one
16 now. Say, for instance, there's a fire and
17 all the trucks are gone and they need to
18 replace maybe one downtown at headquarters,
19 they would use one of those trucks.
20 So, it's for introduction. I only
21 got a limited amount of information on it
22 this week, but for $45,000, I don't even
23 want to say the year, because I don't know
24 it for a fact, but it's in the eighties, the
25 one truck that they might be looking at, and
1 I don't know if that's 100 percent accurate.
2 But for $45,000, my best guess is
3 we're going to probably, and maybe I
4 shouldn't say this, they are probably
5 looking at one of these volunteer fire
6 companies that don't put a lot of miles on
7 their truck.
8 90,000 miles for a fire truck in the
9 City of Scranton is a lot of miles. The
10 police cars are all over that. Now, I will
11 check into it further, but that's my best
13 MR. MORGAN: I think what's
14 important about that, though, is what its
15 capacities are, because if we spend $45,000
16 for a truck that isn't -- doesn't have a
17 capacity that will serve the city well, then
18 why waste $45,000 and let's buy a truck that
19 meets specifications the that we need in the
21 And the last thing I have here, on
22 5-I, I really think we need to leave all the
23 zoning fees the same. I can't see any
24 reason to make it any harder for somebody to
25 file for zoning or for hearing fees or
1 anything. I think we need to leave that
2 alone. I mean, this city keeps going back
3 after increases in fees and fees and fees.
4 MR. MINORA: Time.
5 MR. MORGAN: We need to stop that,
7 MR. ANCHERANI: Nelson Ancherani.
8 I'm also going to ask that 7-C is tabled. I
9 have here the emergency declaration from the
10 city that was received at City Council's
11 office, and it's authorizing the payment to
12 contractors for the snow removal from the
13 Valentine's Day snow removal fiasco by the
15 Mr. Parker said we had 15 trucks
16 out. For approximately three weeks, I saw
17 three, three city trucks with plows, that's
18 all I saw, and I don't recall that any of
19 those trucks had the plows down.
20 There was three days before my
21 street had a plow on it, and approximately
22 ten days after the storm, I had to go to
23 north end, and I was on a street that no
24 snowplow hit. I was driving in the ruts.
25 There's 30 contractors on that list
1 with the declaration, 31 with DPW. And for
2 approximately two to three weeks, the city
3 streets were a disgrace.
4 With this many contractors, those
5 trucks should have been running over each
6 other. The streets should have been
7 cleared, not two to three weeks.
8 Whoever made up the schedule should
9 be redoing their schedules. They should be
10 looking at the maps of the city and planning
11 what they're going to do.
12 I noticed on the list that there
13 were five landscaping businesses. That's
14 what I can figure are landscaping
15 businesses. I wonder if they were there to
16 bring in dirt and plant grass while they
17 were plowing snow.
18 Did anyone up there have the bills
19 itemized before you vote on them? Do you
20 have the itemized bills from the
22 MS. GATELLI: We just received it
24 MR. ANCHERANI: Okay.
25 MS. EVANS: Yes. That's why I had
1 requested that we table it this evening so
2 that we all have the opportunity to examine
3 those papers.
4 MR. ANCHERANI: Okay. Anyway, just
5 one small little story. When we moved to
6 the juvenile office from Mulberry Street to
7 over the firehouse, I was given one key. We
8 have five juvenile officers by contract.
9 We're short one, and a grievance was filed
10 on that one.
11 I had to make four keys. I had four
12 made, and the bill was $8.48, which I turned
13 in, and I was reimbursed.
14 My point is, I would questioned
15 about the $8.48, and not getting it okayed
16 to pay me back. They are worried about
17 $8.48. I wonder if they're worried about
18 the $325,000 for the ice removal. And I
19 already asked about the itemized bills.
20 Thank you.
21 MS. GATELLI: Thank you.
22 MR. BOLUS: Good evening, Council.
23 Bob Bolus, Scranton. It's been a while
24 since I've been here, and I think people
25 knew the reason why I didn't continue to
1 attend meetings here. It was a question of
2 integrity and credibility.
3 What bought me back here is a lot of
4 things have changed. I gave my word that I
5 wouldn't come back here, but other people
6 have broken their word, so I guess it's okay
7 for me to come back, because I broke my word
8 to myself.
9 What's important in this city is on
10 7-C. To pay this amount of money for rental
11 vehicles and equipment to provide funding to
12 cover snowstorm cleanup, where did they
13 clean the snow?
14 The snow may have been cleaned for
15 the St. Patty's Day Parade or something else
16 downtown. It wasn't cleaned on East
17 Mountain or any other street that stayed
18 there for over a month we had snow in this
20 There has to be some serious
21 accountability to this administration before
22 one dime of this money is paid. This is a
23 patronization of the crony system we have
24 here in Scranton.
25 There is no way the taxpayers in
1 this city should have to fund this kind of
2 an expense, when the incompetence in the
3 administration could have equipped every
4 single truck in this town with snowplows.
5 There is no direction there, there is no
6 intelligence there. There is no one there
7 that has the slightest clue about snow
8 removal. And that was evident in this
10 I'm asking this Council tonight to
11 table this and hold this administration
12 accountable. I think every bill here should
13 be brought before the taxpayers to be
15 I will be more than glad to give my
16 time to this city and this Council to go
17 over it, because I am an expert in this
18 field. We need to discuss think. So, don't
19 spend one more dime of our money on this
20 administration. Thank you.
21 MS. GATELLI: Thank you. Anyone
22 else? Mrs. Fanucci.
23 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: First I want to
24 address some of the comments that were made
25 tonight about the loans that are provided
1 from OECD.
2 Someone got up tonight and saying we
3 should be giving to people who are having
4 small businesses and starting off. They are
5 available, is what they do. In fact, they
6 provide many small businesses to start off
7 their money and finances.
8 So, if you do have an idea and you
9 want to start a business, please go down
10 there and sit with them and see what they
11 can do for you, and, of course, you're going
12 to need to bring your ideas and where you're
13 going to have your business.
14 To claim that that's not what they
15 do, whether or not you like the
16 administration or not, that is not the
17 issue. They have been providing lots of
18 service to everyone in this city who needs
19 the money. That is what it's about. It's
20 about the growth and development of
22 Now, to say that we are not
23 providing anything else, if you provide a
24 business, this is just not true. I mean,
25 I've said from day one, to me, economic
1 development is number one in the city.
2 The tax base is enormous. That's
3 what we need. We need more people paying
4 more taxes so that takes the burden off the
5 rest of us. We need lots of employees and
6 lots of buzz downtown.
7 I personally would love to see lots
8 of traffic downtown. I think it would be a
9 great problem to have, to make everyone have
10 to sit in traffic, because that means
11 there's a lot of people going lots of places
12 and spending their money.
13 But as far as the loan for
14 Alexander's, I'm certainly going to pass
15 that tonight. I know it seems like a lot of
16 money, and it is a lot of money, but as I
17 said last week, when you go and get your
18 mortgage for your home, you certainly don't
19 think of it as a gift.
20 You don't think, Oh, isn't this
21 wonderful now, I have to pay back $1,000 a
22 month? Aren't I lucky?
23 You work hard, you build your life,
24 you build your family and you pay back your
25 mortgage. That's what this is all about.
1 And I do struggle with the fact that
2 this is always an issue. We are here to
3 support the people in this city who want to
4 have businesses. That's our job. And we
5 want everyone to come here.
6 And I don't care if you feel that
7 your business is a high-fluent business or
8 if you feel that you're just a little guy
9 selling smokes on the corner. Come here and
10 open a business. It's okay. We all want
11 you here.
12 So, as far as that is concerned --
13 and I have to say, I looked into a lot of
14 concerns we had about the loans and not
15 paying taxes. They are very thorough in
17 For three reasons, they have to be.
18 The state wouldn't even release one dime of
19 money unless they prove that the taxes are
21 And now, as we found out from the
22 newest loan, that if your taxes are not paid
23 even in the meantime from the time they
24 investigate you until your closing, they
25 will withhold your cash, and you will not
1 get any money.
2 So, that is something that we seem
3 to all -- in fact, I believe that that was
4 what happened last time also, that they did
5 not check into thoroughly.
6 They do check into it, but if it
7 does occur between the time the money -- the
8 application was given, and they check into
9 it then afterwards, then they have to hold
11 I also want to discuss a letter to
12 Mark Seitzinger again on one more issue.
13 We've done this a few times, and it's on
14 1013 South Webster Avenue, which is a vacant
15 property. They've been going for this for a
16 long time now. There is no reason -- tell
17 him we want it taken care of. Summer is
18 coming, and it certainly seems to be a
19 dangerous situation for the neighborhood,
20 the neighbors, and definitely the children.
21 So, if we can please take care of that as
22 quickly as possible, I would appreciate
24 And one more thing, you're not going
25 to like it, but Allegheny County, a judge
1 ruled that the smoking ban is upheld. So, I
2 thought I'd throw that in just to let you
3 know that there are two sides to every coin.
4 And that is all I have. Thank you.
5 MS. GATELLI: Thank you. Mr.
7 MR. MCGOFF: Thank you. I would --
8 I just want to address one thing that the
9 legislation that was passed last week
10 concerning the discharge limits of the sewer
11 authority, there seemed to be a little bit
12 of confusion, and so I made a number of
13 phone calls just to clarify for myself and
14 to get some better understanding of what we
16 The Sewer Authority has been under
17 the EPA administrative ordinance, and
18 working with the EPA, the Sewer Authority
19 was told to have limits in place, I think
20 the date was May 4, but I may be mistaken.
21 Working, again, with the EPA, the
22 legislation was given to us. They
23 recalibrated the limits to stay within the
24 EPA demands and presented to us.
25 What changed was the means by which
1 the discharge -- or the limits that were
2 changed were, in fact, more stringent than
4 What did change and what added to
5 the confusion, I believe, is that in 1986,
6 when the original legislation was passed,
7 there were equal limits for all industries.
8 Every industry was -- had an equal limit.
9 In the new legislation, again, a
10 proved by the EPA, it provides for
11 individual limits.
12 So, that the allocations per
13 industry may, a particular industry, may
14 have received a higher limit for a
15 particular substance in the discharge, but
16 in aggregate, the limits are, in fact, lower
17 so that the water that is going into the
18 plant into the pretreatment is, in fact,
19 cleaner, if that's -- there are less
20 pollutants, and the water that is coming out
21 of the treatment plant is, in fact, at least
22 as clean, if not cleaner, than it had been
23 in the past.
24 So, the allegation of the idea that
25 we were by this legislation were polluting
1 the streams is totally -- was totally
3 And, in fact, it was simply an
4 attempt to keep in line with EPA guidelines
5 and with the larger legislation concerning
6 the Chesapeake Bay project and water going
7 into that.
8 If anyone does have any questions
9 about it and needs clarification, the people
10 at the Sewer Authority said that they would
11 be more than happy to explain the
12 legislation and the, you know, the limits to
13 anyone who asks. And that was the only
14 thing that I had. Thank you.
15 MS. GATELLI: Thank you. Mr.
17 MR. COURTRIGHT: Yes. I'm happy to
18 say that at Newton Road where it turns into
19 Fawnwood, the DPW has been up there this
20 week trying to rectify the problem there.
21 It's an extensive job. They have to do a
22 lot of digging and put a large pipe in
23 there. Hopefully those people up there are
24 going to get some relief.
25 And, Kay, I can't recall, maybe -- I
1 don't want to give the address on the air,
2 it's on South 9th Avenue, I believe I asked
3 Mr. Seitzinger about this property before,
4 I'll give you the address when the meeting
5 is over, but there has been numerous,
6 numerous police calls to this address, and
7 I'm getting numerous people coming into
8 where I work asking me about it, what we can
9 do with this house. So, when I give you the
10 address, if you could ask Mr. Seitzinger.
11 I believe he answered me once before
12 several months ago, but the problem hasn't
13 gone away. So, maybe if we can ask him
14 again and I will give him the address
15 afterwards. And that's all I have this
16 evening. Thank you.
17 MS. GATELLI: Thank you. I just
18 have a few things based on what other people
19 had to say. I'd like Attorney Minora to
20 look into the legality of renewing the
21 leases of the Scranton Life Building, if the
22 mayor is allowed to do that on his own
23 accord. Could you find that out for us,
25 MR. MINORA: Yeah. I need to get a
1 copy of the lease.
2 MS. GATELLI: I would appreciate
3 that. And I think that we need to put
4 another request in for the items that we
5 have sent that Mrs. Evans stated earlier and
6 give them one more week to answer, and then
7 I think that we have to do something.
8 MS. EVANS: Mrs. Gatelli, though,
9 just to provide you with a bit more
10 information in case you want to alter the
11 date, I had thereafter made additional
12 requests and placed a date of May 9 on
13 those, so that would be next week.
14 MS. GATELLI: Okay.
15 MS. EVANS: So, if you want all of
16 them to come by that date, that would be
18 MS. GATELLI: Yeah, Kay. And that's
19 all I have.
20 MS. GARVEY: Fifth order. 5-B, FOR
21 INTRODUCTION - AN ORDINANCE - AMENDING FILE
22 OF COUNCIL NO. 155, 2005, ENTITLED, AN
23 ORDINANCE AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND OTHER
24 APPROPRIATE OFFICIALS OF THE CITY OF
25 SCRANTON TO TAKE ALL NECESSARY ACTIONS TO
1 IMPLEMENT THE CONSOLIDATED SUBMISSION FOR
2 COMMUNITY PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT PROGRAMS
3 (AS AMENDED) TO BE FUNDED UNDER THE
4 COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT (CDBG)
5 PROGRAM, HOME INVESTMENT PARTNERSHIP (HOME)
6 PROGRAM AND EMERGENCY SHELTER GRANT (ESG)
7 PROGRAM, BY DELETING CERTAIN PROJECTS AND
8 ADDING CERTAIN PROJECT.
9 MS. GATELLI: At this time I'll
10 entertain a motion that Item 5-B be
12 MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.
13 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Second.
14 MS. GATELLI: On the question? All
15 in favor.
16 MS. EVANS: Aye.
17 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Aye.
18 MR. MCGOFF: Aye.
19 MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.
20 MS. GATELLI: Aye. Opposed? The
21 ayes have it and so moved.
22 MS. GARVEY: 5-C, FOR INTRODUCTION -
23 AN ORDINANCE - AMENDING FILE OF COUNCIL NO.
24 66, 2006, AN ORDINANCE ENTITLED GENERAL CITY
25 OPERATING BUDGET 2007 BY TRANSFERRING
1 $45,000.00 FROM ACCOUNT NO.
2 01.401.15313.4299 (DEBT SERVICE OPERATING
3 EXPENSES) TO ACCOUNT NO. 01.011.00078.4550
4 (DEPARTMENT OF FIRE CAPITAL EXPENDITURES) TO
5 PROVIDE FUNDING TO COVER THE COST FOR A USED
6 FIRE TRUCK.
7 MS. GATELLI: At this time I'll
8 entertain a motion that Item 5-C be
10 MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.
11 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Second.
12 MS. GATELLI: On the question? All
13 in favor.
14 MS. EVANS: Aye.
15 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Aye.
16 MR. MCGOFF: Aye.
17 MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.
18 MS. GATELLI: Aye. Opposed? The
19 ayes have it and so moved.
20 MS. GARVEY: 5-D, FOR INTRODUCTION -
21 AN ORDINANCE - AMENDING FILE OF COUNCIL.
22 NO. 74, 1993, (AS AMENDED), ENTITLED THE
23 ZONING ORDINANCE FOR THE CITY OF SCRANTON,
24 BY CHANGING CERTAIN SECTIONS TO ALLOW FOR
25 THE IMPROVED ADMINISTRATION OF THE
1 ORDINANCE. SPECIFICALLY SECTIONS 806.B.1
2 AND SECTIONS 806.E.1 AND 806.E.3.
3 MS. GATELLI: At this time I'll
4 entertain a motion that 5-D be introduced.
5 MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.
6 MR. MCGOFF: Second.
7 MS. GATELLI: On the question? All
8 those in favor.
9 MS. EVANS: Aye.
10 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Aye.
11 MR. MCGOFF: Aye.
12 MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.
13 MS. GATELLI: Aye. Opposed? The
14 ayes have it and so moved.
15 MR. MCGOFF: At this time, I'd like
16 to make a motion that we notify the city
17 planning commission and the Lackawanna
18 County regional planning commission of the
19 proposed amendment to the zoning code and
20 ask the city clerk to make all necessary
21 arrangements for a public hearing and
22 advertising of same, and also that Attorney
23 Minora research that all procedures are
24 followed to amend the zoning ordinance.
25 MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.
1 MS. GATELLI: On the question? All
2 those in favor?
3 MS. EVANS: Aye.
4 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Aye.
5 MR. MCGOFF: Aye.
6 MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.
7 MS. GATELLI: Aye. Opposed? The
8 ayes have it and so moved.
9 MS. GARVEY: 5-E, FOR INTRODUCTION -
10 AN ORDINANCE - SALE OF TAX DELINQUENT
11 PROPERTY AT KEYSER AVENUE AND WASHBURN
12 STREET, SCRANTON, PENNSYLVANIA, TO HAROLD
13 KAPELAN, 1321 DARTMOUTH STREET, SCRANTON,
14 PENNSYLVANIA, 18504, FOR THE SUM OF $700.00.
15 MS. GATELLI: At this time I'll
16 entertain a motion that Item 5-E be
18 MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.
19 MR. MCGOFF: Second.
20 MS. GATELLI: On the question? All
21 those in favor.
22 MS. EVANS: Aye.
23 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Aye.
24 MR. MCGOFF: Aye.
25 MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.
1 MS. GATELLI: Aye. Opposed? The
2 ayes have it and so moved.
3 MS. GARVEY: 5-F, FOR INTRODUCTION -
4 AN ORDINANCE - SALE OF TAX DELINQUENT
5 PROPERTY AT KEYSER AVENUE BY WASHBURN
6 STREET, SCRANTON, PENNSYLVANIA, TO HAROLD
7 KAPELAN, 1321 DARTMOUTH STREET, SCRANTON,
8 PENNSYLVANIA, 18504, FOR THE SUM OF
10 MS. GATELLI: At this time I'll
11 entertain a motion that Item 5-F be
13 MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.
14 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Second.
15 MS. GATELLI: On the question? All
16 in favor.
17 MS. EVANS: Aye.
18 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Aye.
19 MR. MCGOFF: Aye.
20 MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.
21 MS. GATELLI: Aye. Opposed? The
22 ayes have it and so moved.
23 MS. GARVEY: 5-G, FOR INTRODUCTION -
24 AN ORDINANCE - SALE OF TAX DELINQUENT
25 PROPERTY ON HORATIO AVENUE, SCRANTON,
1 PENNSYLVANIA, TO HAROLD KAPELAN, 1321
2 DARTMOUTH STREET, SCRANTON, PENNSYLVANIA,
3 18504, FOR THE SUM OF $1,300.00.
4 MS. GATELLI: At this time I'll
5 entertain a motion that Item 5-G be
7 MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.
8 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Second.
9 MS. GATELLI: On the question? All
10 those in favor.
11 MS. EVANS: Aye.
12 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Aye.
13 MR. MCGOFF: Aye.
14 MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.
15 MS. GATELLI: Aye. Opposed? The
16 ayes have it and so moved.
17 MS. GARVEY: 5-H, FOR INTRODUCTION -
18 AN ORDINANCE - SALE OF TAX DELINQUENT
19 PROPERTY AT 617 PITTSTON AVENUE, SCRANTON,
20 PENNSYLVANIA, TO MARK A. AND LYNN M. SANDY,
21 918 BEECH STREET, SCRANTON, PENNSYLVANIA,
22 18505, FOR THE SUM OF $5,000.00.
23 MS. GATELLI: At this time I'll
24 entertain a motion that Item 5-H be
1 MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.
2 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Second.
3 MS. GATELLI: On the question? All
4 those in favor.
5 MS. EVANS: Aye.
6 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Aye.
7 MR. MCGOFF: Aye.
8 MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.
9 MS. GATELLI: Aye. Opposed? The
10 ayes have it and so moved.
11 MS. GARVEY: 5-I, FOR INTRODUCTION -
12 A RESOLUTION - AUTHORIZING CHANGES TO THE
13 FEE SCHEDULE OF SECTION 104 (A) (5) OF THE
14 ZONING ORDINANCE OF 1993 TO INCREASE THE
15 FILLING FEES AND CHANGE THE SPECIAL HEARING
17 MS. GATELLI: At this time I'll
18 entertain a motion that Item 5-I be
20 MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.
21 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Second.
22 MS. GATELLI: On the question? All
23 those in favor.
24 MS. EVANS: Aye.
25 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Aye.
1 MR. MCGOFF: Aye.
2 MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.
3 MS. GATELLI: Aye. Opposed? The
4 ayes have it and so moved.
5 MS. GARVEY: 5-J, FOR INTRODUCTION -
6 A RESOLUTION - ACCEPTING THE RECOMMENDATION
7 OF THE HISTORICAL ARCHITECTURE REVIEW BOARD
8 (HARB) AND APPROVING THE CERTIFICATE OF
9 APPROPRIATENESS FOR SPANO CONSTRUCTION, 1012
10 PRICE STREET, SCRANTON, PA 18504 FOR FACADE
11 REPAIR ON THE COMMUNITY BAKE SHOP, LOCATED
12 AT 321 LACKAWANNA AVENUE, SCRANTON, PA
14 MS. GATELLI: At this time I'll
15 entertain a motion that Item 5-J be
17 MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.
18 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Second.
19 MS. GATELLI: On the question? All
20 those in favor.
21 MS. EVANS: Aye.
22 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Aye.
23 MR. MCGOFF: Aye.
24 MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.
25 MS. GATELLI: Aye. Opposed? The
1 ayes have it and so moved.
2 MS. GARVEY: Sixth order, no
3 business at it time. Seventh order, 7-A,
4 FOR CONSIDERATION BY THE COMMITTEE ON PUBLIC
5 SAFETY - FOR ADOPTION - FILE OF COUNCIL NO.
6 85, 2007 - ACCEPTING OWNERSHIP AND
7 MAINTENANCE RESPONSIBILITY FOR A TRAFFIC
8 SIGNAL DEVICE AT STATE ROUTE 8039 (S.R. 0081
9 RAMP H) AND RIVER STREET AND EAST MOUNTAIN
10 ROAD AND ACCEPTING THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL
11 MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT THAT PERTAINS THERETO
12 WITH THE COMMONWEALTH OF PENNSYLVANIA,
13 DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION AS PART OF A
14 ROADWAY CONSTRUCTION PROJECT.
15 MS. GATELLI: What is the
16 recommendation of the chair on public
18 MR. COURTRIGHT: As chairperson for
19 the committee on public safety, I recommend
20 final passage of Item 7-A.
21 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Second.
22 MS. GATELLI: On the question? Roll
24 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Evans.
25 MS. EVANS: Yes.
1 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Fanucci.
2 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Yes.
3 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. McGoff.
4 MR. MCGOFF: Yes.
5 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. Courtright.
6 MR. COURTRIGHT: Yes.
7 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Gatelli.
8 MS. GATELLI: Yes. I hereby declare
9 7-A legally and lawfully adopted.
10 MS. GARVEY: 7-B, FOR CONSIDERATION
11 BY THE COMMITTEE ON RULES - FOR ADOPTION -
12 FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 86, 2007 -- AUTHORIZING
13 THE CONVEYANCE BY PRIVATE SALE OF ONE PARCEL
14 OF LAND IN SCRANTON ACQUIRED PURSUANT TO THE
15 LACKAWANNA RIVER FLOOD CONTROL PROJECT NEAR
16 THE INTERSECTION OF SHAWNEE AVENUE AND DEPOT
17 STREET, AS MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED ON
18 THE ATTACHED MAP.
19 MS. GATELLI: As chairperson for the
20 committee on rules, I recommend final
21 passage of Item 7-B.
22 MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.
23 MS. GATELLI: On the question? Roll
25 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Evans.
1 MS. EVANS: Yes.
2 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Fanucci.
3 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Yes.
4 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. McGoff.
5 MR. MCGOFF: Yes.
6 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. Courtright.
7 MR. COURTRIGHT: Yes.
8 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Gatelli.
9 MS. GATELLI: Yes. I hereby declare
10 Item 7-B legally and lawfully adopted.
11 MS. EVANS: Kay, perhaps prior to
12 reading it, I move to table Item 7-C.
13 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Second.
14 MS. GATELLI: On the question? All
15 in favor.
16 MS. EVANS: Aye.
17 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Aye.
18 MR. MCGOFF: Aye.
19 MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.
20 MS. GATELLI: Aye. Opposed? The
21 ayes have it and so moved.
22 MS. GARVEY: 7-D, FOR CONSIDERATION
23 BY THE COMMITTEE ON FINANCE - FOR ADOPTION -
24 FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 89, 2007 - CREATING AND
25 ESTABLISHING SPECIAL CITY ACCOUNT NO.
1 02.229585 ENTITLED SCRANTON POLICE MUNICIPAL
2 POLICE OFFICERS EDUCATION AND TRAINING
3 ACCOUNT FOR THE RECEIPT AND DISBURSEMENT OF
4 GRANT FUNDS FROM THE MUNICIPAL POLICE
5 OFFICERS EDUCATION AND TRAINING COMMISSION
6 FOR SCRANTON POLICE LAW ENFORCEMENT TRAINING
8 MS. GATELLI: What is the
9 recommendation of the chair on finance?
10 MS. EVANS: As chair for the
11 committee on finance, I recommend final
12 passage of Item 7-D.
13 MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.
14 MS. GATELLI: On the question? Roll
16 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Evans.
17 MS. EVANS: Yes.
18 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Fanucci.
19 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Yes.
20 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. McGoff.
21 MR. MCGOFF: Yes.
22 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. Courtright.
23 MR. COURTRIGHT: Yes.
24 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Gatelli.
25 MS. GATELLI: Yes. I hereby declare
1 Item 7-D legally and lawfully adopted.
2 MS. GARVEY: 7-E, FOR CONSIDERATION
3 BY THE COMMITTEE ON COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT -
4 FOR ADOPTION - RESOLUTION NO. 144, 2007 -
5 AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND OTHER APPROPRIATE
6 CITY OFFICIALS FOR THE CITY OF SCRANTON TO
7 ENTER INTO A LOAN AGREEMENT AND MAKE A LOAN
8 FROM THE COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL REVOLVING
9 LOAN PROGRAM, PROJECT NO. 150.9 IN AN AMOUNT
10 NOT TO EXCEED $250,000.00 TO ALEXANDER'S
11 SALON & SPA, INC. TO ASSIST AN ELIGIBLE
13 MS. GATELLI: What's the
14 recommendation of the chairperson for the
15 committee on community development?
16 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: As chairperson
17 of the committee on community development, I
18 recommend final passage of Item 7-E.
19 MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.
20 MS. GATELLI: On the question?
21 MS. EVANS: Yes. I understand in my
22 absence last week there had been a few
23 issues raised about this loan, and as a
24 result, I read very carefully the contract
25 and the prior contract that I believe had
1 been voided, and those issues that had been
2 a concern to you, which certainly were of
3 great concern to me, are no longer part of
4 that agreement. They have been excised from
5 the contract.
6 And, again, having read it fairly
7 carefully during the week, I believe it is
8 more than satisfactory at this point.
9 I also believe, having spoken with
10 Mr. Courtright, in the event that this
11 company, well, I shouldn't call it, business
12 is probably more appropriate, would even
13 relocate, the loan will follow them. It
14 must be paid in full.
15 I think what further should provide
16 some degree of security for all of us is the
17 fact that it is a highly flourishing
18 business and that very often customers wait
19 weeks upon weeks for appointments.
20 And so, it would appear that the
21 ability of this business to repay its loans
22 would be quite high.
23 MS. GATELLI: Anyone else? Roll
25 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Evans.
1 MS. EVANS: Yes.
2 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Fanucci.
3 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Yes.
4 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. McGoff.
5 MR. MCGOFF: Yes.
6 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. Courtright.
7 MR. COURTRIGHT: Yes.
8 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Gatelli.
9 MS. GATELLI: Yes. I hereby declare
10 7-E legally and lawfully adopted.
11 MS. GARVEY: Eighth order. Citizens
12 participation II, general city issues.
13 MR. MCGOFF: Prior to our first
14 speaker, I would just like to thank you for
15 your consideration.
16 (WHEREUPON, Councilman McGoff left the meeting.)
17 MR. MILLER: Good evening, Council.
18 Doug Miller, President of Scranton Junior
19 City Council. Just a few announcements
20 here. The first is on Saturday, May 12,
21 2007, the Scranton Taxpayers Association
22 along with Scranton Junior City Council will
23 hold a car wash at Scooter's Hot Dog Hut in
24 Dunmore, which we intend to raise funds to
25 go towards free swimming for our children.
1 We all need to support the children
2 of our city. This is an issue that's going
3 to be raised now that summer is going to be
4 approaching us, and I personally support
5 free swimming. I think Council needs to
6 seriously look into this and we need to do
7 something about it.
8 And the Junior Council, as well as
9 the taxpayers association, and this program
10 led by Mr. Sbaraglia and Mr. Jackowitz, we
11 will fight so the children can swim for
13 Also, Mr. Lee Morgan and myself, we
14 will be walking through the neighborhoods
15 soliciting donations. People in the city
16 need to understand how important it is for
17 our children to have free swimming.
18 The second announcement, Frances
19 Willard Elementary will hold a diversity
20 fair on Monday, May 7 from 6:30 to 8 p.m.
21 in the school's gym. Adults and children
22 can enjoy food, games and crafts from their
23 region of the world. Everyone is encouraged
24 to attend.
25 And lastly tonight on behalf of the
1 Junior Council, I would like to thank Tour
2 De Scranton for their generous donation
3 towards our handicapped swingset project for
4 Nay Aug Park.
5 As I will continue to say until we
6 reach our goal, we'll continue to ask for
7 support. We believe this is something the
8 city needs for our handicapped children.
9 In order for this dream to come
10 true, we need your support, and we ask you
11 to send your donation here to City Hall, 340
12 North Washington Avenue, Scranton, PA 18503.
13 Thank you very much.
14 MS. GATELLI: Thank you. Mr.
16 MR. PICCOLINO: September 1, 2006
17 and headline, Buona Pizza looks for way to
18 stay in neighborhood by Stacy Brown.
19 Although not spelled out in a letter
20 received by Buona Pizza, the company could
21 remain in its current location if it agreed
22 to be part of the redevelopment.
23 Finally April 26 of 20007, seven
24 months letter, we received a letter, not an
25 agreement, but an understanding, not us, our
2 Dear Boyd, it is my understanding
3 that you currently continue to represent the
4 condemnees in the above referenced eminent
5 domain proceeding.
6 It has been brought to my attention
7 that your client has indicated a willingness
8 to have his business remain in the 500 block
9 of Lackawanna Avenue within the proposed
10 project area, and I have been authorized and
11 directed to send this letter regarding the
13 Based on your clients'
14 representations, I believe it would be
15 appropriate to have a discussion regarding
16 your clients' intentions and to discuss your
17 clients' requirements with the project.
18 Mayor Doherty has emphasized his
19 support for your client to be part of the
20 project, and, of course, it's my client's
21 hope that the matter can be resolved to
22 allow the project to go forward.
23 I ask that you review the matter
24 with your client and to confirm his
25 willingness to engage in the discussions set
1 forth time thereafter when a formal meeting
2 is set at a mutually convenient time to
3 further discuss the matter.
4 I would ask City Council to write
5 the mayor a letter and join me in this
6 meeting, since Mrs. Fanucci said it's, you
7 know, it's your job to keep businesses and
8 taxpaying businesses in the city.
9 Well, I think you guys should come
10 with us, and, you know, come to this meeting
11 and see what we can do.
12 MS. EVANS: Mr. Piccolino, I think
13 were the five of us to accompany you, we
14 would be in violation of the Sunshine Act,
15 but I know we had spoken earlier this week,
16 and it is my intention to accompany you and
17 address the issue in its entirety with the
19 So, I still offer that invitation to
20 you, and I'll stand by that, and I'm sure
21 the mayor is going to want to see us.
22 MR. PICCOLINO: Sounds good. How
23 about you, Mrs. Fanucci? You're so adamant
24 about keeping businesses and taxpayers --
25 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Absolutely.
1 And as far as I'm concerned, Mr. Piccolino,
2 it is the state law that you have to be
3 required and asked to stay.
4 I mean, that's part of the deal with
5 eminent domain. That's why I never
6 understood your issue in the first place, to
7 be honest with you, because it's required
8 under eminent domain that you are asked to
9 stay as long as you will provide money
10 toward the project. And I believe it's --
11 it might be 15 percent.
12 MR. PICCOLINO: My issue was we were
13 never asked to stay.
14 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Do you know
15 why? Do you know why you weren't asked to
16 stay? The project has not moved forward
17 since the day all of this has taken place.
18 Nothing has happened.
19 MR. PICCOLINO: Because there is no
21 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: As far as
22 anything is concerned on that block, you do
23 not see any -- buildings being torn down or
24 any sidewalks being required.
25 MR. PICCOLINO: They're supposed to
1 start the sidewalks soon. Aren't they
2 supposed to start the sidewalks?
3 MR. MINORA: Time.
4 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: But they
5 didn't. So, until that date started, you,
6 probably would have been informed of that.
7 But you should have been informed of
8 that from day one, and your attorney has
9 probably told you. I mean, you have to be
10 part of that project if you want to stay.
11 So, I did find it odd that this was even an
12 issue. It's part of the deal. But as far
13 as coming with you, I also wonder, are you
14 still suing the city?
15 MR. PICCOLINO: That's my own legal
17 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Well, right,
18 but it's not, because if you are suing the
19 city, that would have to do with us, and I
20 have to turn to Attorney Minora, would we be
21 able to be there if he's --
22 MR. MINORA: I'm not sure the --
23 there was recently some reports in the
24 newspaper of a lawsuit. I never saw the
25 documents, I don't know whether it was
1 actually filed, and if it was filed, what it
3 MR. PICCOLINO: There's also reports
4 of grievances, too, so I don't think it'd be
5 in the paper.
6 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: It's not for
7 you, it's for us. Like, I wouldn't want to
8 be in violation of anything if we were
9 attending a meeting and he was in litigation
10 with the city. I certainly wouldn't want to
11 leave myself open to that.
12 MS. EVANS: Well, if I could inject
13 at this point, I would be very happy to
14 accompany you, in fact, I made you that
15 offer, yes, earlier this week.
16 This Council passed a motion stating
17 that we would not entertain any projects,
18 any type of movement in the 500 block of
19 Lackawanna Avenue, unless it included Buona
21 I think, though, on the other hand,
22 there actually has been movement per se in
23 that the city is attempting to devour your
24 property through eminent domain, and this
25 also, I believe, I don't know if sued would
1 be the correct terminology, but they would
2 like your attorney removed from the case.
3 And in that event, I think it can be
4 very useful for City Council who has taken a
5 public stand on your behalf in the past to
6 try to work this out to your satisfaction
7 with the mayor, and I would like to see us
8 do that as soon as possible.
9 MR. PICCOLINO: You and me both.
10 Thank you.
11 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: I think we'd
12 all love to see you stay. Nobody wants to
13 -- I mean, that's something that we've said
14 from day one. Obviously we want you to be
15 included in the project, if that's what your
16 wish is.
17 MR. PICCOLINO: Thanks.
18 MS. GATELLI: Andy Sbaraglia.
19 MR. SBARAGLIA: Andy Sbaraglia, you
20 know I'm a Scrantonian. The Lackawanna
21 County Taxpayer and Citizen Association, I'm
22 going to read a brochure we're going to be
23 handing out throughout the city, We are
24 conducting a fundraiser in Scranton, PA to
25 raise money so that underprivileged children
1 living in or around the Scranton area can
2 swim for fee at the public pools. Currently
3 they must pay to be able to swim.
4 We would greatly appreciate a cash
5 donation or a donation that can be offered
6 as a door prize. And this was put out by
7 William R. Jackowitz, co-chairman of the
8 project. I am chairman.
9 For years I have come before you. I
10 have watched Mrs. Fanucci shoot it down when
11 we could have had free swim, and there's no
12 other way within the city to get this free
14 You can throw money away everywhere,
15 but on the children of this city. And I
16 find that offensive, and I will continue to
17 fight no matter where I am.
18 That is one thing I'm adamant on
19 that the children have a right to swim free
20 in our pools. We collect $30,000, all we
21 collect on our city pools, and that came out
22 of the audit from the controller.
23 So, that's probably a figure that's
24 there. And for Council to sit up there and
25 spend millions and millions of dollars
1 investing in businesses, some may go, some
2 may not go, but the greatest investment we
3 can make in this city is in the children.
4 And I find it really appalling that
5 every time it comes up, the mayor vetoes it
6 and gets support from Council. At least one
7 member or two members of Council, well,
8 usually two members of Council oppose it.
9 And so, the only thing we can do is
10 go among the citizens of Scranton, collect
11 donations and see what we can actually do to
12 actually pay for the kids to go swimming.
13 And I wish every Scrantonian that watches
14 this, dig into your pockets and help us do
15 this. Council will not, and the mayor will
16 not do it. Their interest is mainly
17 somewhere else, but not with the children of
18 Scranton. And I thank you.
19 MS. GATELLI: Mr. McCloe.
20 MR. MCCLOE: My name is Brett
21 McCloe, homeowner, taxpayer. First off,
22 Mrs. Fanucci, I just want to let you know
23 that there are three sides to every coin.
24 There's the heads, the tales and the edge
25 that holds them together. Without that
1 edge, the coin does not exist, so I just
2 wanted to get that out of the way.
3 As a waiter, I watch people make
4 decisions every day. I see what goes on
5 inside people's heads as they calculate
6 taste, preference, price and health concern.
7 My job is to facilitate and to
8 foster the use of free will and to provide
9 choices. I want to thank this Council for
10 enlightening me last week on my lack of
11 understanding of the city mechanism.
12 I was wrong for trying to inject
13 humanity into a mechanical process. I
14 thought to myself, I'm a silly human. I've
15 never waited on a mechanism before, so what
16 makes me think that I can use the same logic
17 and principles to understand the decisions
18 of this Council?
19 I could not foresee the calculated
20 response of a political device. If we don't
21 spend it this year, we won't get it next
22 year, regardless if there was an actual need
23 to spend taxpayers' money on a business that
24 90 percent could not afford to use.
25 The smoking ban is the law,
1 regardless if State law prohibits such
2 action. Like a computer that freezes, you
3 get silenced when asking questions that only
4 a human being can answer.
5 Silence is the only way to protect a
6 mechanism from human intrusion. What next?
7 Resistance is futile. You will be a
8 assimilated? I guess so, due to the number
9 of people in this city with the high
11 Respect for the life of the mind and
12 the personal responsibility for the use of
13 free will is no longer needed and therefore
14 must be deleted.
15 The minds of the people of this city
16 are being systematically retrofitted for the
17 use as service drones for the coming of the
18 new creative class, the local wannabees and
19 those too powerful to give a blank.
20 The heart and soul of this city has
21 been replaced by a computer game on a hard
22 drive filled with cold calculated political
23 responses and economic pyramid schemes.
24 Welcome to the collective, welcome to sin
25 city, welcome to the machine.
1 MS. GATELLI: Linda Peratano.
2 MS. PERATANO: Good evening, City
3 Council. I'm Linda Peratano, Scranton
4 resident, and I live in Tripps Park.
5 For 23 years, I have lived on Emmett
6 Street, grew up across from the lot that's
7 now in some kind of controversial aspect of
8 what's going on down there on Emmett Street,
9 the corner of Emmett and Railroad Avenue.
10 I don't know why it came before
11 Council, because twice it went to the zoning
12 board and it was discontinued. What is
13 Council's stance on this issue?
14 MS. EVANS: I can only speak for
15 myself, but I represent the people.
16 MS. PERATANO: Right.
17 MS. EVANS: The people are my boss.
18 MS. PERATANO: Right.
19 MS. EVANS: They pay my salary.
20 These are their homes, their neighborhoods,
21 and if the people tell me that they do not
22 wish to have their neighborhood further
23 disturbed by yet another commercial
24 business, then my vote will go in favor of
25 the people's wishes.
1 And though I have not spoken with
2 all in that area, I have spoken tonight with
3 those who were good enough to attend the
4 caucus meeting, and they have made their
5 wishes known to me, and they insist that
6 there are many more who feel similarly, and
7 so my vote is going to protect them.
8 MS. PERATANO: Well, for 75 years, I
9 know that that lot has been vacant. I lived
10 down there, I know.
11 A couple years ago when it was
12 purchased by the new owners, it's not that
13 the neighbors were against any kind of
14 business going down there, but an ice cream
15 shop and a hoagie shop is different than an
16 all night cleaners.
17 We have a man down there now that
18 lives that would be living right next door
19 to the cleaners with upper respiratory
20 problems. He's a very sick man and to have
21 something like that in a neighborhood where
22 there's a day care two houses away.
23 Now, if they want to build something
24 like that, why don't they just go down on
25 7th Street where all the other commercial
1 businesses are? That would be wonderful,
2 not on the corner of Railroad and Emmett
4 Like I says, we're not against any
5 kind of business down there. My big -- my
6 thing is because I'm representing my mother,
7 she lives down there, and every other
8 neighbor that lives down there. There was
9 over 50 names collected for a petition to
10 stop this. That's my concern.
11 If you want to put something like
12 that, let them put it in their neighborhood
13 and let's see how they'd like to open up
14 their front door or look out their bathroom
15 window and kitchen window and see a big
17 Now, if it went twice before the
18 zoning, why now in front of Council when it
19 couldn't get before zoning? Why are they
20 trying to slide it underneath the rug? And
21 we know what's going on. We're not stupid.
22 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Actually we --
23 MS. GATELLI: We met with all the
24 neighbors tonight and the developer, and he
25 was told that it's not going to come before
1 Council. We are not going to entertain
2 that. None of us are interested in changing
3 the zone.
4 MS. EVANS: And in addition, the
5 developer and their attorney, they were
6 directed to meet with the neighbors in order
7 to possibly come up with a solution that is
8 satisfactory to all involved.
9 But once that decision is reached,
10 they will have to go before the zoning
11 board. Because as Mrs. Gatelli said, there
12 are enough members on Council who will not
13 entertain this because it goes against the
14 wishes of the residents of that
16 MS. GATELLI: And of any
17 neighborhood, for that matter.
18 MR. MINORA: Time.
19 MS. GATELLI: Nobody wants the
20 zoning changed in their neighborhood.
21 MS. PARATANO: Thank you very much.
22 MS. GATELLI: You're welcome. Mr.
24 MR. SPINDLER: Good evening,
25 Council. Les Spindler. Even though I had
1 to come in the back door tonight, I didn't
2 know the front door was open. I'm glad to
3 see that.
4 I'm glad to see there were no metal
5 detectors around. I was just wondering why
6 when I came in here, and then I remembered.
7 There's an election in 12 days.
8 Mrs. Gatelli, is Mr. McGoff gone for
9 the evening?
10 MS. GATELLI: Yes, he had a death in
11 his family.
12 MR. SPINDLER: Oh, I'm sorry. I had
13 a question for him.
14 MS. GATELLI: Were you here when we
15 said it?
16 MR. SPINDLER: No, I didn't hear it.
17 MS. GATELLI: His sister-in-law
18 passed away.
19 MR. SPINDLER: Oh, I'm sorry about
21 MS. GATELLI: If there's anything
22 that you want to ask him, we will get him --
23 MR. SPINDLER: I'll ask him next
25 MS. GATELLI: Okay.
1 MR. SPINDLER: A few weeks ago when
2 it was brought up about having the
3 Lackawanna Taxpayers Association having
4 their meetings in here, I think a vote was
5 supposed to have been taken, but you were
6 waiting to see who was in charge of Council
7 chambers, even though I know who it is. Did
8 Council find out? Because you run this
10 MR. MINORA: I actually did the
11 research, and I never spoke to you about it,
12 but indirectly through the administrative
13 code in the charter, it's clear that the
14 administration controls real property on
15 behalf of the city.
16 MR. SPINDLER: Okay. As far as the
17 smoking ban, I'm 100 percent for the smoking
18 ban, but I was told by an employee that
19 works in this building that people smoke in
20 this building.
21 So -- don't make faces, Mrs.
22 Fanucci. I was told by someone that works
23 in this building. Do you work in this
24 building? No.
25 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: First of all, I
1 didn't make a face. I was shocked that --
2 MR. SPINDLER: Anyway --
3 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Am I not
4 allowed to be shocked? Is that a --
5 MR. SPINDLER: Before Mr. Seitzinger
6 starts citing places out all around the
7 city, I think he should start policing this
8 building first.
9 MS. GATELLI: You're right, and I
10 think they should be fined if they're
11 smoking in this building. It is a
12 government building, and you're not --
13 MR. SPINDLER: I was told by
14 somebody that works here.
15 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Did they tell
16 you who?
17 MR. SPINDLER: No. That's -- I
18 think that's Mr. Seitzinger's job. Once
19 again, I am going to bring up the line
20 painting I brought up for the last two years
21 on the corner of Spruce Street and Franklin
22 Avenue and the entrance on Lackawanna Avenue
23 and the Steamtown Mall.
24 This is a safety hazard. As I said,
25 it's gotten neglected for two years now, and
1 I'll just mention it one more time and see
2 if something could be done. Thank you.
3 MS. GATELLI: Thank you. Mr. Bolus.
4 Kay, send those letters again on those
5 lines, please.
6 MR. BOLUS: Good evening again,
7 Council. Bob Bolus, Scranton. A lot of
8 people have asked me why I came back here
9 tonight, and I think it's important to let
10 people understand why I'm here again.
11 Mr. McGoff, who had been appointed
12 to the seat here had said that he would only
13 take the appointment and would not run. He
14 elected to change, go back on his word, and
15 he's a candidate.
16 Well, I'm here to inform Council
17 that I, too, am a write-in candidate for
18 Council in the City of Scranton. I was on
19 the ballot, I was taken off by the district
20 attorney who elected to dictate to the
21 people who and how you should vote and who
22 you should vote for.
23 It's been put under appeal and we're
24 moving forward with it. But in the interim,
25 it will be a write-in. I believe strongly
1 in this city and the people here.
2 This Council has to take a hard look
3 at what's gone on here. They need to step
4 back where I've been watching for a while.
5 First of all, I think you need to go
6 back and give us six minutes in fourth order
7 that we could address issues on the agenda,
8 as well as any other business.
9 I'm here, it's 8:30. My morning
10 started at 6:30 this morning, to come here
11 and get three minutes to speak.
12 There are a lot of people in this
13 city who have some wisdom that I think could
14 be shared with this Council. I think you
15 need to do that. I think this audience and
16 the people that come here and Council need
17 to start showing respect for each other.
18 The mockery, the sarcasm, the
19 slamming, the banging on the podium, all
20 that has got to come to a stop.
21 I believe the police officer when
22 you had him here needs to go back down and
23 fight crime. I don't think we need hysteria
24 here, I don't think we need all the
25 innuendos that go on. I think they're
1 intelligent people here.
2 As the gentleman spoke before about
3 putting your brain in and the brain is
4 waste, well, I think we all start putting
5 our brains together and kind of thinking
6 before we speak here, we'll get a heck of a
7 lot more accomplished on both sides.
8 This Council has to look at what
9 happened here in the past. I wouldn't walk
10 in the back door like a criminal coming in
12 Tonight I walked through the front
13 door, as it should be. This is our
14 building. It doesn't belong to Chris
15 Doherty, it doesn't belong to this Council,
16 it belongs to the people of this city, and
17 we have to go back knowing 50 years, 100
18 years who built it and why did they build it
19 so people could debate their government.
20 And we have to understand that this is a
21 place of business.
22 It's become disfunctional. Things
23 have happened here that are very depressing.
24 One of the things, our solicitor here should
25 understand that when the attempt at the
1 money from the golf course that we
2 championed, that that money be put in
3 escrow, this Council wanted to take $3
4 million that didn't belong to you.
5 MR. MINORA: Time.
6 MR. BOLUS: I heard you. It didn't
7 belong to anyone else. This Council took
8 $1.5 million of the taxpayers' money that
9 needs to be put back. It was intended to be
10 in trust, and that was the intent.
11 As Mr. Minora knows what intent
12 means, he's a criminal prosecutor, it should
13 never have been paid. It needs to go back.
14 But furthermore, this Council needs
15 to take the other is $1.5 million and put it
16 in a permanent trust and do it now. You
17 cannot give our money away in a frivolous
18 administration and frivolous budgets and
19 take it from the future generations of the
20 kids that were to get this money.
21 MS. GATELLI: Thank you.
22 MR. BOLUS: I understand, Mrs.
24 MS. GATELLI: Mr. Bolus, please,
25 don't be contentious.
1 MR. BOLUS: I understand, and I'm
2 going to step down, but I wish you would
3 reconsider the time frame and put a light
4 system here, because I think it's
5 unprofessional to have somebody yelling at
6 you what time it is and your time is up.
7 I'm a professional. Thank you.
8 MS. GATELLI: Mr. Chomko.
9 MR. CHOMKO: Ed Chomko, Scranton.
10 Some of the neighbors over in Bellvue on
11 Railroad and Emmett requested that I remain
12 after the caucus and give our very much
13 appreciated thank you to each and every one
14 of you for supporting us on our request of
15 denying an R-2 property to be changed to
16 commercial, but they also asked me to ask
17 one other thing.
18 Maybe you don't know it, but on
19 approximately April 24 there was a large
20 fuel spill on that property. They claimed
21 it was cleaned up. Come on over. It's not.
22 They tried to cover it over with
23 some type of modified fill, and it all
24 leaked back out.
25 There were a lot of gallons. I
1 can't say there were 100 gallons, but there
2 were more than 50. It ran all the way down
3 to Metro Window.
4 MS. EVANS: Kay, could we send a
5 letter to Mr. Parker or a memo just, you
6 know, if we can get that out quickly and if
7 we can contact him tomorrow to go back over
8 there and correct the situation, because I
9 understand from you and your neighbors that
10 the odor is intolerable.
11 MR. CHOMKO: Yes, yes. We thank you
13 MS. GATELLI: You're welcome.
15 MR. PIAZZA: James Piazza, Scranton
16 High School. I just wanted to get up and
17 speak and tell you that the Tour De Scranton
18 had occurred on April 22. I volunteered my
19 time because it was a good cause, and I
20 volunteered my time. Ms. Morkem was the one
21 that looked me up and asked for my help.
22 She gave us a $100 donation for the
23 swingset project, like Douglas just said
24 earlier. So, I just want to get up here and
25 tell her thanks for giving us that donation,
1 because we appreciate it, and all the other
2 organizations that gave money to us for the
4 I just wanted to ask Council, do you
5 guys know anything about that medical
6 school, what's going on about it?
7 MS. EVANS: I think a decision is,
8 according to newspaper, forthcoming within a
9 month, I believe, to two months maximum. An
10 announcement should be made.
11 MR. PIAZZA: Is it coming here, Mrs.
13 MS. EVANS: Oh, it better be.
14 MR. PIAZZA: That's it.
15 MS. GATELLI: Mr. Jackowitz.
16 MR. JACKOWITZ: Bill Jackowitz,
17 South Scranton resident. Thirty-three
18 businesses contacted in two days to donate
19 for free swimming. Twenty-nine donated.
20 Like I said earlier, four people who got
21 loans from this city did not donate.
22 President Gatelli, the names will be
23 coming further on who these businesses are.
24 I'm holding back.
25 President Gatelli, we have people
1 violating the occupancy law and ordinances
2 in the city. You ask why. Possibly because
3 Mayor Doherty has every invited every
4 non-documented illegal immigrant to reside
5 in Scranton.
6 The city still is last in the state
7 for hourly wages. It has the highest
8 unemployment rate in the state, 4.2 percent
9 wage figure, and since 1994, the lowest
10 yearly earning power in the state.
11 Family sustaining wages are are
12 nonexistent to the city, except for a few
13 jobs for the elitists. So, now after the
14 Latinos have arrived, we're complaining
15 about how they live their lives.
16 Scranton currently has 9,000 Latinos
17 residing in the city with a population of
18 67,000, and declining rapidly.
19 Most Latinos will combine their
20 wages, which are low, and move into a
21 residence with a family and/or friends
22 sending their remaining money back to their
23 home country. This is their way of life.
24 The fact that Mrs. Fanucci, Mr.
25 McGoff and President Gatelli voted for
1 higher taxes just made it that much harder
2 because rents went out, property taxes went
3 up making it harder to purchase a house on
4 Scranton salaries. Boarding house rooms
5 also went up.
6 So, as you can see, this is a very
7 difficult situation to resolve, unless you
8 start putting people out on the street to
10 I really do not believe that is a
11 good solution. This situation will become
12 worse before it becomes better. I lived it
13 20 years ago. It is what it is.
14 This situation affects all workers
15 who are working low to moderate income jobs
16 in Scranton, which is approximately
17 75 percent of the residents.
18 Jobs are not the solution. Family
19 sustaining jobs and wages must be created.
20 Gas, $2.89 a gallon, water bill going up
21 15.36 percent, an increase. Those are just
22 two examples.
23 Public transportation in this city
24 is below standards. I've stated several
25 times from this podium bad economy, bad
1 economic conditions will lead to the
2 collapse of a city, county, state and
4 Scranton's economy is the lowest of
5 the low and has been for five decades.
6 Anybody who does not believe that needs to
7 get out and talk with the residents, not
8 just the Doherty real people and the Fanucci
9 my people. They have no financial problems.
10 Ms. Fanucci, still waiting for
11 Austin Burke and the Southern Union tenants.
12 Coming up on one year since you made your
13 public statements, Mrs. Fanucci.
14 MR. MINORA: Time.
15 MR. JACKOWITZ: Nay Aug Park, dog
16 park, hair salons will not solve Scranton's
17 economic problems, neither will raising
18 taxes or fees.
19 MS. GATELLI: Thank you. Mr.
21 MR. PATILLA: Sam Patilla, city
22 resident, taxpayer. Scranton is more than
23 downtown, it's more than the 400 or the 700
24 block of Lackawanna Avenue. It's the senior
25 citizens, it's the kids that you won't let
1 swim free, it's the small mom and pop
2 pizzerias, it's the small mom and pop barber
3 shops, it's the small mom and pop beauty
4 parlors, the small mom and pop corner
5 stores, all right? That's where that money
6 is supposed to be going to.
7 You want to create jobs, you want to
8 bring people into this city, all right, you
9 take care of the ones that are here.
10 Everything that comes out of your
11 mouth has to do with Downtown Scranton or I
12 want people to come here. And I told you
13 before, and you could see it every time you
14 walk the streets, nobody is coming here, all
16 Those people are not going to let
17 you rip them off the way you're ripping us
18 off. It's not going to happen, all right?
19 For once in your life, stand up, do
20 what's right. Start looking out towards
21 these citizens, start looking out for the
23 Like I said, it's not just a
24 downtown area, all right? That beauty
25 parlor, for example, it costs $300 for a
1 men's day. I guess that's some time of
2 sauna, $115 for executive break, $110 for
3 rest and relaxation.
4 On the women's side, ultimate day at
5 the spa, $380, Alexander's day at the spa,
6 $325. Then going back to the men's, a
7 color, highlighting and foil, that ain't
8 nothing men get, not where I'm coming from.
9 That's some really shaky stuff there, okay?
10 But that's $35 and above, okay?
11 You want to inject life into this
12 city, inject it into the people whose back
13 it's been built upon. Cut the bull crap out
14 about giving these people -- all these --
15 the Rinaldis, the DeNaples, stop giving them
16 our money, stop giving them our money.
17 Every bill, every invoice --
18 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Let me ask you
19 one question --
20 MR. PATILLA: -- that you look for
21 -- that you look at, every invoice that you
23 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Can I ask you
24 one --
25 MR. PATILLA: -- has one of those
1 names on it. Every single one of them has
2 one of them names on it.
3 Start giving back to these people
4 here. It's our money. Give it back to us,
5 you know. You need a snow plowed, give it
6 to a Scrantonian. You need your law mowed,
7 give it to a Scrantonian.
8 Stop giving our money to these
9 people that's not giving anything back.
10 You're just taking, taking, taking. And
11 every time you agree to it, you become more
12 and more of the problem. You sink deeper
13 and deeper into that cronyism. Put a stop
14 to it. Don't do it because it's election
15 time, do it because it's the right thing to
17 MS. GATELLI: Jose Rojas. Mr.
18 Rojas, is he here? Mr. Laske.
19 MS. EVANS: Welcome back.
20 MR. LASKE: I'm like the walking
21 wounded. Okay. Dick Laske, North Scranton.
22 I want to congratulate you, Janet, and I'm
23 very proud of our grandson. He takes after
24 his grandmother more than his grandfather or
25 he wouldn't have been part of that.
1 MS. EVANS: Actually I think he gets
2 his good looks from you.
3 MR. LASKE: Hay, Dave, look out,
4 Buddy. No, on a more serious note, Janet
5 has been fighting for the people of Scranton
6 since she has been up there on Council.
7 Now, she requested records and she
8 receives static from a couple Council
9 people, and all of a sudden Ms. Fanucci got
10 her picture in the paper where she
11 discovered records. Now, even a blind
12 squirrel finds an acorn at times. I mean,
13 let's be realistic.
14 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: What did I ever
15 do to you, Mr. Laske?
16 MS. LASKE: You didn't do nothing to
17 me, but, I mean, you look like you want to
18 be on the administration --
19 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: That was four
20 months ago.
21 MR. LASKE: Hey, I'm not dead yet.
22 The mind's still working. I can remember
23 back six months, six years, ten years, okay?
24 You resent what I say to you, that's too
25 bad, because you're getting paid to listen
1 to me, and the little bit of time I have
2 here, you're making a damn good buck. You
3 were bought and paid for by the
4 administration, it's a simple as that.
5 Now, the $10 million that Judy
6 Gatelli okayed, that is adding to debt of
7 the city. I don't think I'm going to live
8 long enough to see the city in the black,
10 Now, another thing, I've been trying
11 for years to get the city to come to Weston
12 Park to cut down the trees. I've got a lot
13 of static, I've busy. I didn't expect them
14 to come open when it was two foot of snow on
15 the ground, but there's no snow in Weston
16 Park now. It has become a safety hazard.
17 ARC is going in there with children.
18 God forbid if a limb falls down on a kid's
19 head and kills him. Is the mayor going to
20 carry the kid home to his parents and say,
21 Oh, there was an unfortunate accident in
22 Weston Park?
23 Let Mr. Parker get off his duff, do
24 the work he's being paid for. Tell him to
25 send that crew up there. I know there's
1 only one crew. There was only one crew when
2 they went to Hollow Avenue to do a political
3 favor --
4 MR. MINORA: Time.
5 MR. LASKE: -- for one of Mr.
6 Doherty's --
7 MS. EVANS: Mr. Laske, actually I'm
8 going to ask Kay to, while she's speaking
9 with Mr. Parker tomorrow, to also remind him
10 to get on those trees, because I know you've
11 been talking about it. I've heard it I
12 don't know how many times at the North
13 Scranton neighborhood meetings.
14 MR. LASKE: It's like whipping a
15 dead horse.
16 MS. EVANS: I know. But Mr. Doherty
17 is going to attend the next meeting.
18 MR. LASKE: I'll be there.
19 MS. EVANS: It will be this Monday,
20 so you will have your prime opportunity to
21 remind him about the trees.
22 MR. LASKE: Oh, I don't think it's
23 going to work.
24 MS. EVANS: Yes, Tom McLane will be
25 with him.
1 MR. LASKE: Mr. Santolli went up an
2 marked the trees.
3 MS. EVANS: I know.
4 MR. LASKE: They should have took
5 the trees down and left the firewood there.
6 People'd carry it away.
7 MS. GATELLI: I think they're going
8 to talk about the park.
9 MR. LASKE: What's the problem?
10 MS. EVANS: Yes. They're going to
11 address the group, but I would imagine, Mr.
12 Laske, the markings are long gone away.
13 MR. LASKE: Well, have a good night.
14 I'm sorry if I ruined your evening.
15 MS. EVANS: We'll cut down the
17 MS. GATELLI: Jim Stucker.
18 MR. STUCKER: How are you doing, Mr.
19 Courtright? How are you doing?
20 MR. COURTRIGHT: Good. How are you?
21 MR. STUCKER: Good. I gave her that
22 number, that lady, that address. We got to
23 get a light there on the pole on the corner
24 of our building. Somebody is going to fall
25 and twist their ankle.
1 The lady next door to us, she's been
2 calling up the state inspector, calling up
3 and check our wall. Our brick wall fell
4 down. Our cinder block wall fell down. She
5 has been calling. She has been calling
6 again every day calling the city inspector
7 to come over and check it. So, she has been
8 giving us a lot of trouble.
9 MS. GATELLI: Okay. We will check
10 on that, Jim.
11 MR. STUCKER: And the guy that has
12 -- his name is -- he used to cut hair. He
13 used to be a cop -- firemen, Jonesy, Mr.
14 Jones, today, right I was going to help him.
15 I had a tooth filled, I couldn't help, so
16 the guy came down today, came down the other
17 day and told him he had to move his
18 dumpster. It's on his property. They
19 always -- Mr. Jones is always have
20 complaints on little tiny things.
21 And I was talking to Kay the other
22 day up at the Grocery Store on Keyser. She
23 said you got my -- I asked about the money.
24 She said you -- I don't know, you have it.
25 MR. COURTRIGHT: I have your money?
1 MR. STUCKER: Yeah.
2 MR. COURTRIGHT: Kay told you that?
3 MR. STUCKER: Yeah.
4 MS. GATELLI: Is that the money to
5 cut the bushes?
6 MR. STUCKER: Yeah, yeah.
7 MS. GATELLI: We're going to get you
8 that money.
9 MR. COURTRIGHT: I don't have your
10 money, Jimmy. Thanks, Kay.
11 MR. STUCKER: And our garbage has
12 been picked up a lot, okay? So, that's good
13 for us.
14 MS. GATELLI: Thanks, Jim. Mr.
16 MR. DOBRZYN: Good evening, Council.
17 I'd just like to get it out on public camera
18 that we need to continue to address Bob
19 Mellow and lobby him to keep the medical
20 school in Scranton, and I would appreciate
21 if Janet could give the number, I don't have
22 it with me tonight for --
23 MS. EVANS: I'm so sorry. I don't
24 either, but I'll make sure that I have it
25 next week and again every week, because I
1 absolutely agree with you. The calls can't
3 MR. DOBRYZN: No, no. I got a
4 really nice letter from him, but I felt that
5 the language in it was a little ambivalent
6 as to whether or not the target was Scranton
7 for our medical school, so we have three
8 hospitals that we support and give massive
9 tax breaks to, people from all over the area
10 get their lives saved in our town, and we
11 really need to keep the pressure on, keep it
12 -- the original project on track.
13 MS. EVANS: Absolutely.
14 MR. DOBRZYN: And anything that we
15 could possibly do to support the taxpayers
16 association and their bid to promote free
17 swimming this year would be greatly
18 appreciated. Thank you and have a good
20 MS. GATELLI: Thank you. Mr.
22 MR. HUBBARD: Good evening again,
23 Council. A couple quick points. Please let
24 me get through my three minutes without
1 The Allegheny smoking ban, actually
2 when the injunction was lifted to allow that
3 ban to go through, 14 hours after the
4 injunction was lifted to allow the ban to go
5 through, the Commonwealth Court of
6 Pennsylvania banned the ban. The Allegheny
7 smoking ban doesn't exist, it's dead, just
8 so you have that.
9 Fourteen hours after they lifted the
10 injunction was lifted, Commonwealth Court
11 removed the ban. So, it doesn't exist.
12 Okay. A couple things. Mr. McGoff
13 is not here, but you and Mr. McGoff made
14 several comments, I guess, about the smoking
15 ban affecting the long-term health effects
16 of the residents of Scranton. And I
17 appreciate that, you know, you looking out
18 for the long-term health effects of the
19 residents, but by allowing the chemical
20 levels to be increased on certain chemicals
21 to flow into our CSO systems that are out of
22 date, not up to date, and when we get heavy
23 rains, and believe me, I can tell you
24 firsthand what happens when we get heavy
25 rains, it doesn't get treated, because our
1 systems aren't separated yet. Because the
2 Sewer Authority is 15 years behind its
3 schedule with the EPA getting updated on a
4 combined sewer system separating.
5 So, those chemicals that are put in
6 the sewage system that don't make it to the
7 treatment plant end up in my house and every
8 other house in lower Green Ridge every time
9 it floods and our storm drains fill our
10 neighborhood, as well as any of the
11 residents, Keyser Valley or any other part
12 of Scranton that's has problems with runoff.
13 Those chemicals don't necessarily
14 make it into the sewage treatment plant
15 because the systems are so out of date.
16 So, by allowing the increase in
17 chemical levels into the system now before
18 it is updated is really in essence you're
19 polluting the environment. If not, you're
20 at least putting residents in danger because
21 those chemicals are going to come back up
22 the sewer systems when they do backup.
23 Second, if you are so concerned
24 about airborne pollutants like smoke, why
25 has this Council done nothing to tame or at
1 least quiet down or control Daron Northeast?
2 Now, there was a resident on the
3 1600 block of Dixon Avenue that came here
4 for a long time complaining about Daron
5 until she was threatened.
6 That is a KOZ, they are contributors
7 to the mayor's campaign. There are airborne
8 aggregate pollutants that flow all over the
9 1600 to 1700 blocks of Dixon Avenue, not to
10 mention all of lower Green Ridge and lower
11 upper Green Ridge and Electric Street, and
12 those people are subjected to dust and
13 airborne aggregates every time the wind
14 blows when it's hot.
15 Now, I went by there this afternoon
16 and they were supposed to have a water
17 truck. Well, the water truck is not really
18 working too well, so they didn't water much
19 of the property, so there was dust flying
21 So, if you're really concerned about
22 the long-term health effects, maybe you
23 should talk to the residents on Dixon Avenue
24 that are suffering from long-term lung
25 damage due to the airborne aggregates from a
1 contributor and a KOZ.
2 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Now that you
3 brought it up, I certainly will.
4 MR. HUBBARD: It's been brought up
5 before, Mrs. Fanucci. A resident has come
6 before this Council several times until she
7 was threatened to back off this personally.
8 Still, but it's not the first time this has
9 been brought before Council.
10 Daron Northeast has been a problem
11 since it opened. It is an airborne
12 pollutant. DEP has been there countless
13 times, but coincidentally they show up when
14 it rains. That really -- big help there.
15 Also, what about the sewer lines on
16 Nay Aug Avenue for the flood project being
17 moved? I understand the Sewer Authority
18 doesn't have the funding right now to do
19 that. And if they can't move the sewer
20 lines, the Army Corps can't put our
21 riverbank in. So, we need to get that taken
22 care of.
23 And for next week, I'd like to know
24 if for any chance the city was going to be
25 hiring a new director of OECD any time in
1 the future, what would the qualifications be
2 for that job?
3 And if we were just say
4 hypothetically going to hire a new human
5 resource director, what would the
6 qualifications be required for that job?
7 Because I'm going to tell you, I
8 printed off some jobs on Monster, and I'm
9 going to tell you the two directors of other
10 apartments do not meet the qualifications
11 for an HR director for any corporation on
12 the east coast of the United States.
13 So, a degree from Baylor University
14 in fashion merchandising does not qualify
15 you to be an HR director, when most of the
16 companies on the east coast require at least
17 ten years in HR for an HR director, as well
18 as either a Masters or a B.A. in human
20 So, the fact that we're going to
21 farm out our human resource Workman's Comp.
22 to a third party, I know we did stop that,
23 but the fact that our human resource
24 department can't handle the job it has and
25 that we have to pay I'm thinking between
1 OECD and human resources we're probably
2 close to a million in consultants since
3 they've taken those positions, not to
4 mention the salary increases.
5 If we had -- if the mayor had hired
6 or appointed two qualified people to handle
7 those positions, we could have saved the
8 city almost $1.3 million dollars.
9 MR. MINORA: Five minutes.
10 MS. GATELLI: Oh, I'm sorry. I
11 didn't hear you.
12 MR. HUBBARD: So, qualified
13 candidates for those positions would have
14 saved us $1.3 million.
15 MS. GATELLI: Thank you.
16 MS. EVANS: If I could just respond
17 to Mr. Hubbard regarding Daron Northeast. I
18 know the situation that you're describing.
19 I've been down there many times. I drive by
20 there almost daily.
21 I know that the Department of Health
22 had actually cited Daron Northeast a number
23 of times through the years. I had contacted
24 the Department of Health and spoken with
25 their representatives on two different
1 occasions. They would not come down to the
2 site. They were the ones who informed me
3 that they had already been there and cited
4 them and the ball was in the city's court
6 Now, Mr. Fiorini, I know, has been
7 there many times and sent many letters, but
8 I had a question when you said you saw water
9 trucks, are they the trucks of Daron
10 Northeast or --
11 MR. HUBBARD: Yes.
12 MS. EVANS: Because originally if we
13 go back maybe two years, it actually would
14 have been DPW trucks who were wetting down
15 that property. So, I am pleased to hear if
16 Daron has at least invested that much in it.
17 MR. HUBBARD: I'm assuming it's
18 their truck, because it just has black spray
19 paint on it that says water, but they're not
20 doing very much watering to water the
21 property to keep the dust down.
22 MS. EVANS: I know -- yes, I agree
23 with you. I was well aware of that
24 situation, and in addition to that, there
25 was an issue involving the level of decibels
1 coming from that property late at night,
2 early morning, yes, and I am aware of the
3 threats that were made.
4 MR. HUBBARD: It's a serious health
5 problem for people with lung disease with
6 lung problems that are in that neighborhood.
7 MS. EVANS: Yes, it is. Yes, it is.
8 There are a number of individuals who reside
9 there with very serious health problems.
10 MR. HUBBARD: The 1600 and 1700
11 block of residents of Dixon Avenue were told
12 by the Green Ridge Neighborhood Association
13 they won't help them because they're
14 considered lower Green Ridge.
15 So, we gladly adjusted our bylaws
16 and allowed the residents of the 1600 and
17 1700 blocks of Dixon Avenue, as well as any
18 residents around Daron who feel that they
19 need to have a voice to speak for them to
20 join our neighborhood association because
21 they're getting no help since Daron opened
22 from anybody in the city.
23 MS. EVANS: Well, I appreciate
24 that, and I'm sure they do too. That's very
25 good of you. I think --
1 MR. HUBBARD: I spend more time at
2 home than I do in bars, so I would rather
3 have the dust cleared up than the smoke. I
4 mean, really that's what it comes down to.
5 I mean, I'm home more than I'm in a bar, so
6 it might help and be more effective than in
7 would be in a bar.
8 MS. EVANS: I guess what I don't
9 understand, and then we're going to move on,
10 is that I can't imagine how that business
11 was allowed to locate in that area across
12 the street from home after home after home
13 and how, you know, at least it was my
14 understanding that they had never gone
15 before the zoning board.
16 MR. HUBBARD: No. No residents in
17 that area were aware of the type of
18 business. It was supposed to be an enclosed
19 concrete block facility, but all the piles
20 of aggregate and sand are open exposed and
21 sitting out in the lot.
22 MS. EVANS: Yes, they are.
23 MR. HUBBARD: They did not live up
24 to what they said the business was going to
25 be. They lied to the residents of the
1 neighborhood. They proceeded to build the
2 business anyway.
3 MS. EVANS: Thank you.
4 MS. GATELLI: Mrs. Franus.
5 MS. FRANUS: Fay Franus, Scranton.
6 This is basically going to be an
7 informercial for the people of the city
9 What I've seen here in the last
10 couple weeks has been like Jekyll and Hyde
11 here. Mrs. Gatelli, you went from doing
12 everything drastically, taking the cameras
13 out, closing the balcony, coming in the back
15 Now we're in the front door, the
16 balcony is open, the cameras are in, there's
17 no more scanning. I mean, all of this was
19 But now that it is election time,
20 and this is what I want the people to know,
21 this is a ploy for votes for Joe Gatelli.
22 MS. GATELLI: Mrs. Franus, please.
23 MS. FRANUS: No, no. This is the
24 truth. It's election time. All of a sudden
25 everybody is nicey nicey. This is how I
1 feel, this is how many people feel.
2 And I say to the people in the city,
3 if they vote for Joe Gatelli, they better
4 know that his wife is his wife and the apple
5 doesn't fall far from the tree.
6 So, I say a vote for Joe Gatelli is
7 a vote for Judy Gatelli. If they want to
8 get what do you call it over the coals
9 again, then -- let's put it this way, if
10 they vote for Joe Gatelli, they get what
11 they ask for. God help them.
12 Now, I met this woman in this
13 restaurant, this very nice lady, Bernadette,
14 I met her in a restaurant in Montage, and
15 she came up to me and she more or less
16 speaks like the rest of the people in the
17 city, so I'm not just speaking for myself.
18 I'm speaking for Bernadette, I'm speaking
19 for others that have come up to me and say
20 hot you have been really rotten to the
21 people. It's not just me. Everybody.
22 You know what my son said, my boy,
23 he's in New York, and called me, he said,
24 Mom, because he's been following this, he
25 said, You know what happened to you? He
1 said, You've been Gatellied. I mean, that's
2 a good -- he said I should get a sweatshirt
3 and say Taxes Up 25 percent, and then you
4 turn around and it says -- put it on the
5 back, you've been Gatellied. I said,
6 Franco, I said, Honey, I said you have to
7 you've been Fanuccied and you've been
8 McGoffed too. Because this is just
10 I mean, let's put it this way, after
11 the election, I could bet the real Judy
12 Gatelli is going to stand up and be right
13 back to her ways again.
14 Now, I'll give you an example.
15 Bobby Bolus spoke here. He spoke well over
16 three minutes and you said nothing. Now,
17 when I spoke over three minutes or Mary Ann
18 Wardell last week, you immediately called
19 the next person right over while we were
20 still here.
21 You cannot, I told you this before,
22 you cannot pick and choose who can speak
23 over three minutes. It's either it's
24 somebody or I'm going to sit here and I'll
25 talk as long as I want. You won't have a
1 right to stop me. You don't have that
3 And you let somebody -- last week a
4 man spoke, and he just went on and on and
5 on. You said nothing to him. Now, that's
6 not right.
7 Mrs. Gatelli, if you care so much
8 about the people all of a sudden, would you
9 consider having the five minutes brought
10 back to the speaking?
11 MS. GATELLI: Yes, I would consider
13 MS. FRANUS: Would you make a motion
14 to have this next week then possibly?
15 MS. GATELLI: Possibly.
16 MS. FRANUS: But possibly -- you say
17 absolutely? Could you promise me this? Not
18 possibly. Would you say that you will bring
19 a motion -- let's put it this, I'm not going
20 to guess. Would you bring a motion next
21 week to bring the five minutes back?
22 MR. MINORA: Three minutes.
23 MS. GATELLI: If it's at the end of
24 the meeting, yes.
25 MS. FRANUS: What do you mean at the
1 end of the meeting?
2 MS. GATELLI: If the five minutes is
3 at the end of the business part --
4 MR. MINORA: Three minutes.
5 MS. FRANUS: Like now. Okay. I'll
6 hold you to that. Should I now should ask
7 your permission to speak a little bit longer
8 or should I just stand here and see if you
9 call the next person while I'm still here?
10 MS. GATELLI: You can do whatever
11 you'd like, Mrs. Franus. You want an extra
12 minute, you can have it. I didn't know Mr.
13 Hubbard went over, and then --
14 MS. FRANUS: No. We're not talking
15 about Mr. Hubbard. I understand that --
16 MS. GATELLI: Mrs. Evans engaged him
17 and he did speak --
18 MS. FRANUS: I know that you didn't
19 know, But Bob Bolus spoke well over.
20 MS. GATELLI: I told Mr. Bolus twice
21 that his time was up.
22 MS. FRANUS: Thank you.
23 MS. GATELLI: Anyone else?
24 MR. TORRES: Hello. My name is
25 William Torres, West Side resident,
1 registered voter. It's been a while since
2 I've been here, but I just want to update
3 everyone, City Council, and everyone in
4 Scranton on what the Latin Cultural
5 Diversity Center has been doing with the
6 youth programs, celebrations and
8 Where should I start? Youth
9 programs, that's what we hold dearly to our
10 heart. You know, we have -- the youth
11 program is growing. We started out with
12 four kids. We have 25 to 35 kids already in
13 the youth program. We teach these kids
14 theater arts and dancing.
15 And we don't have our own facility
16 by now, but somewhere in the future we hope
17 to have. Right now we're working out of
18 different places.
19 Uno Fitness, they were more than
20 happy to give us space. I want to thank
21 them. I want to thank the United
22 Neighborhood Centers, Mr. Handley, Miss
23 Drobach, Jim, Natalie, the whole staff
24 there. They opened their doors so we can
25 come in there and teach these kids the
1 theater arts that we've been trying to
2 provide them.
3 Dave Ragnacci, he opened his studio,
4 and we're so thankful for these people that
5 opened these doors for us.
6 And, you know, we hope to grow. We
7 keep growing and growing. This is for the
8 youth and our future here in Scranton.
9 And the celebration we have. We
10 have a celebration coming this Saturday, and
11 that's one of the things that we do so we
12 can create funds for these programs so we
13 can provide these programs free for the
15 And we have Cinco De Mayo this
16 Saturday. I wanted to leave some fliers
17 here with you guys, if I can.
18 But this is one of the ways we try
19 to raise funds to keep these programs open
20 for these kids so we can have somewhere to
21 come and not, you know -- we'd like them to
22 stay out of the street and get other
23 negative things that the street brings to
25 And, of course, we wish we can do
1 more, and we will be doing more, but I want
2 to please invite City Council and everyone
3 here in Scranton and all the communities to
4 come down May 5. We will have food, music,
5 entertainment for the kids, for the adults.
6 It's going to be a great day. It's going to
7 be a great day. We're going to have a whole
8 lot of things for people to do, Cinco De
10 And, again, all the money we raise
11 here is going to the kids, to our youth
12 program that we're so proud of, and we're
13 going to continue to make this grow.
14 Because, again, once again, I can't
15 say this enough, the kids are our future.
16 If we put them on the right path and keep
17 them there --
18 MR. MINORA: Time.
19 MR. TORRES: My God, my time
20 already? You're the man. Thank you.
21 MS. GATELLI: Thank you very much.
22 MS. HUBBARD: I must have signed
23 the wrong list.
24 MS. GATELLI: You signed the wrong
25 list. That's okay.
1 MS. HUBBARD: Sorry about that. I
2 just have --
3 MS. GATELLI: Elizabeth Hubbard,
4 Scranton resident. A question about what
5 happened to the security?
6 MS. GATELLI: It's a long story.
7 MS. HUBBARD: I'd be interested to
8 hear. Maybe you can tell me after the
10 MS. GATELLI: I'll tell you after
11 the meeting.
12 MS. HUBBARD: And the handicapped
13 accessibility, that's the back door, that
14 was locked tonight. If somebody me here
15 like Mary Ann Wardell who walks with two
16 canes, she would not have been able to get
18 So, if you're going to have the door
19 open, the front door, you should make sure
20 that back door is open, also, because it
21 always was before.
22 MS. GATELLI: Well, as Mr. Minora
23 said, we are not in charge of the building,
24 the mayor is.
25 MS. HUBBARD: What happened to the
1 separate but equal branches of government?
2 MS. GATELLI: No.
3 MS. HUBBARD: Isn't that The
5 MS. GATELLI: No.
6 MS. HUBBARD: I mean, Bush can't go
7 into Congress and tell them what they can do
8 in The House chamber, so how come he can
9 come in here and tell you guys what to do?
10 MS. GATELLI: I don't know. You'll
11 have to ge that from Mr. Minora, because
12 that's what he says. We're not in charge of
13 the locks of the doors.
14 MS. HUBBARD: Well then, you know,
15 you should look for the city to buy City
16 Council a building that you are in charge of
17 and not the mayor, because you guys are
18 separate from him. You're not part of the
20 Anyway, if I have time for a quick,
21 where Albright Avenue and Nay Aug come
22 together by the Albright Avenue bridge,
23 there was a big pile of modified, and I'm
24 not sure where it came from, but it happened
25 when they were working on the levy project
1 over in The Plot. So, I'm thinking maybe it
2 was the contractors storing excess modified.
3 All of a sudden in the last day or
4 two, there are piles of cement slabs, pipes,
5 dirt, rock, all piled on that lot. It looks
6 disgusting, and it looks like somebody bet
7 up the street, because one of the slabs of
8 cement has manhole in it, you know, the
9 manhole. And it looks disgusting down
11 And I think we have to wait for this
12 flood project, I don't see why we have to
13 live in a third world slum while we're
14 waiting for it. I mean, they're not even
15 working on it, but yet we're dealing with
16 all this trash being dumped there.
17 So, maybe the DPW or whoever could
18 take a look and see, maybe find out where
19 that stuff is.
20 MS. EVANS: Yeah. I think we need
21 to know why that area is being made a
23 MS. HUBBARD: Right. And they cut
24 trees down and they just left all the big
25 logs there. I saw people taking smaller
1 limbs and stuff for fire wood.
2 But, I mean, there's -- some of
3 those trees that they cut had to be 50 years
4 old or more, and they just left whole
5 sections of the trunk laying there.
6 MR. MINORA: Time.
7 MS. HUBBARD: So, I mean, I think
8 the city needs to look into it.
9 MS. EVANS: Yes.
10 MS. HUBBARD: Well, that's all.
11 Thank you.
12 MR. DAVIS: Assalaam Alaikum, peace
13 and blessings of Allah be with you. I've
14 watched you on television, I've tried to
15 keep up with what you're saying, what you've
17 And the thing that got me up out of
18 my chair today was Mrs. Saboda talked about
19 the Bethel AME Church.
20 I would like very much, Mrs.
21 Fanucci, since you work so well with OECD,
22 could you get me a report on just what has
23 been done with that grant and what its
24 failures are, what is needed? I'll take it
25 to a professional grants person and we'll
1 see what we can do about that. That's
2 number one.
3 Number two, Mr. Courtright, you did
4 such a great job up in West Side and all the
5 parks and everything, would you please get
6 the lines painted on Washington Avenue,
7 please, sir?
8 MR. COURTRIGHT: Mr. Davis, I asked
9 for lines to be painted all over this city.
10 I got no clout.
11 MR. DAVIS: Where do you --
12 MR. COURTRIGHT: They need to be
13 painted right outside of here.
14 MR. DAVIS: I know. That's what I'm
16 MS. EVANS: Well, even in front of
17 those beautiful -- I mean, it's a beautiful
18 area in the city now, The Radisson, The
19 Hilton, this new garage, those lines in the
20 street are worn away.
21 MR. DAVIS: The thing is, why can't
23 MR. COURTRIGHT: They need two more
24 people there, or at least one more person in
25 that department. They don't have enough
1 manpower. For some reason they don't have
2 any manpower. I think that's the problem.
3 MR. DAVIS: But they spent billions
4 of dollars?
5 MR. COURTRIGHT: I understand, and I
6 agree with you. I don't know --
7 MR. DAVIS: And they can't hire two
8 kids out of high school or two kids out of
9 college or something to work with them and
10 get the job done?
11 And it's so -- I mean, it's really
12 -- it gets dangerous out here for the senior
13 citizens, it really does, because that light
14 can flash yellow or it can flash white and
15 they can walk, but the people that come
16 around that corner, they don't know to stop
17 if there's no lines there. You know that.
18 MR. COURTRIGHT: I don't dispute
19 anything you're saying, and I've tried many
20 times, and I haven't been successful. I
21 truly believe they need more people.
22 MR. DAVIS: Okay. Go back to them
23 again, please.
24 MR. COURTRIGHT: I absolutely will.
25 MR. DAVIS: Thank you very much.
1 MR. COURTRIGHT: You're welcome.
2 MR. DAVIS: Now, Miss Evans, you did
3 such a great thing with Mr. Brazil --
4 MS. EVANS: Pardon?
5 MR. DAVIS: I thought I heard you on
6 television, I was watching on television,
7 you had -- they had worked some sort of a
8 system out where they were doing Connell
9 Park, they were redoing the ground up there
10 or something like that.
11 Would you please, I asked this of
12 you four years ago, three years ago, to talk
13 to the school board and find out how you can
14 work together with them with your department
15 of recreation and redo that field over at
16 Scranton High.
17 MR. MINORA: Time.
18 MS. EVANS: Yes.
19 MR. DAVIS: Would you please?
20 MS. EVANS: Yes.
21 MR. DAVIS: I really appreciate
22 that. We need --
23 MS. EVANS: I can't guarantee
24 success, but I will certainly address it
25 with him.
1 MR. DAVIS: Just please come back
2 and tell me what they said this time, that's
3 all. I know last time you tried it and I
4 never heard anything more about it. Please
5 let me have the response that they give you.
6 Let me take it from there.
7 MS. EVANS: Okay.
8 MR. DAVIS: Please.
9 MS. EVANS: Yes.
10 MR. DAVIS: Because it's unfair.
11 You're really treating our kids in our
12 community badly.
13 MS. EVANS: Now, are you talking
14 about the --
15 MR. DAVIS: Central City, old Tech
16 High School.
17 MS. EVANS: Right, right, Northeast
18 Intermediate. Are you talking about the
19 tennis courts, the basketball courts?
20 MR. DAVIS: No, the field.
21 MS. EVANS: The field that's there.
22 MR. DAVIS: Yeah, it's horrible.
23 It's rutted. It's, you know, they had done
24 nothing to upkeep it. I don't know why.
25 MS. EVANS: Okay.
1 MS. GATELLI: Thank you.
2 MR. DAVIS: We've been putting up
3 with that for four years and nobody will
4 come over and do anything about it. But you
5 let me know, please.
6 MS. EVANS: Yes, I will.
7 MR. DAVIS: Because something can be
8 done. I'm quite sure. There's a Department
9 of Recreation in the state that will come in
10 here and close it down if they don't take
11 care of it properly.
12 MR. GONZALES: Ladies and gentlemen,
13 how have you been? My name is Pedro
14 Gonzales, South Side resident and registered
15 voter. Hello, Lisa.
16 THE REPORTER: Hello.
17 MR. GONZALES: I want to add to what
18 Mr. William Torres was speaking about, the
19 Cinco De Mayo celebration. The location, it
20 is Scranton High School. It's going to be
21 in the parking lot of Scranton High School
22 this Saturday.
23 The event is going to run from 1
24 p.m. to 7 p.m. We have tons of
25 entertainment, a lot of entertainment from
1 our own youth, our kids from this very city,
2 from Scranton High School, from Scranton
3 University, our own Latin Culture Diversity
4 Center South Side dancers.
5 These kids are terrific. They're
6 fabulous. We have so many sponsors and
7 volunteers, again, from The University. We
8 have sponsors from the microeducational
9 program, we have sponsors from the juvenile
10 probation program.
11 These are programs that we've
12 started with juvenile probation to help
13 these kids develop in some shape or form.
14 We invite you all to come down
15 there. Please come enjoy, eat, dance, you
16 know how the Latin people do, and the food
17 we present and show to the community.
18 I want to thank guys, and I want to
19 wish you all luck. I know this is an
20 election year, and as usual we always try to
21 stay away from all of that. We like to stay
23 We know all of you, we know all the
24 other candidates, so God bless you all and
25 good luck to you all. My name is Pedro
1 Gonzales, and thank you for letting me
2 express myself. God bless.
3 MS. GATELLI: Thank you.
4 MR. STIVALA: Hello. I'm Mark
5 Stivala. I just want to address some things
6 that I didn't get to address before.
7 When I asked you if you did an
8 investigation on my allegations last week,
9 you said yeah, you called Sherry's attorney.
10 I'm sure you called my attorney,
11 too, so that they could say the other half
12 of the story, or did you just leave that
14 And then I also wanted to address
15 how Carl Greco is doing the redevelopment
16 and the condemnation on Lackawanna Avenue
17 and also lending money out to the same
18 corporation and Alexander's.
19 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: The first part
20 of your question, the only concern I had was
21 did you have any rights to the business or
22 to the property. And once that was
23 answered, I had not to go any further. So,
24 that was --
25 MR. STIVALA: But --
1 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Did you want me
2 to answer.
3 MR. STIVALA: Yeah.
4 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Okay. So, all
5 I wanted to know was was that settled, and
6 it was. I did not get into the specifics of
7 your divorce or of what was going on, nor
8 did I get stories or non-stories. I only
9 was asking what pertained to this
11 MR. STIVALA: And you had only asked
12 one side, right?
13 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Well, there was
14 only -- it was a yes or no question.
15 MR. STIVALA: You didn't check the
16 records yourself. You didn't check the
17 records or anything like I told you at the
18 courthouse, right? You just called her
19 attorney, took his word for it and that's
20 it, right?
21 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Well, he's an
23 MR. STIVALA: I could get attorneys
24 to come in and say the opposite thing.
25 That's why we have the lawyers.
1 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Listen, you now
2 have to go and do what you have to do. This
3 has nothing to do with -- I'm not going to
4 sit here be grilled about this.
5 This legislation has been passed.
6 It is now -- you know, you had no rights to
7 the business from --
8 MR. STIVALA: I'm just asking you a
9 question. I just asked you a simple
10 question, you only asked one side, one
11 attorney, right?
12 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Right. You
13 have no rights to the business, that was the
15 MR. STIVALA: From her attorney.
16 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: From --
17 MR. STIVALA: Because that has never
18 been decided in court.
19 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: And OECD, and
20 your tax records in the past, the past one,
21 two, three, four tax claims, yes. That was
22 what OECD has provided.
23 MR. STIVALA: Okay. What about Carl
24 Greco doing both?
25 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: That's his job.
1 He's employed by both.
2 MR. STIVALA: Okay. So, he
3 condemned the one and the same company and
4 also lent money to the same company?
5 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Well, he's
6 employed by both, yes.
7 MR. STIVALA: Okay. Thank you.
8 MR. MORGAN: Good evening. The
9 first thing I'd like to do is remind people
10 of Riverfest on May 12, and it's going to be
11 by The Ice box.
12 I'd also like to say that, you know,
13 Mr. Hubbard got up and spoke about Daron and
14 a couple other issues, and that did come
15 through Council a long time ago, as a matter
16 of fact, the previous Council, and there has
17 been a lot of problems with them, and I
18 really think that that needs to really be
19 settled once and for all.
20 And I do know that Mr. Fiorini came
21 here and he spoke about it and talked about
22 what he was going to do, they were going to
23 cover the piles, they were going to control
24 the dust, and I just don't seem to think
25 it's happening.
1 And Mr. Laske, I was really glad to
2 see him today, and I really think that all
3 five Council members should do something
4 about the things he brought up about those
5 trees and make sure it gets done.
6 The other thing I have here is
7 Junior Council, you know, Junior Council
8 seems to be in a pathetic way at this point,
9 and I'd like to say that, you know, I don't
10 think that Junior Council has lived up to
11 all its expectations, because I really think
12 that every one of the Council members should
13 have took one of those Junior Councilmen
14 under their wing and educated them to the
15 way the city functioned.
16 And I really think it's time to have
17 an election and refill these seats and then
18 get Council members to take one or two of
19 them under your wing and teach them about
20 this city and give them some real
22 And, I mean, it's going to give us
23 dividends later on in the future, and I hope
24 you'd really consider that.
25 And the last thing I have is,
1 everybody here is talking about economic
2 development, well, they seem to be, but
3 there is no real economic development.
4 If you go through the neighborhoods
5 and just take a look at all the double units
6 that are on the market for sale, you'll see
7 that the tax rates, the sewer fees, are just
8 eating it up.
9 You can't get enough money out of a
10 double in this city to justify owning one,
11 which tells you that the tax base has eroded
12 to the point where people can't invest on
13 that level.
14 And, I mean, then you got people
15 that go out there try to, I don't know, I
16 really don't know what you're trying to do,
17 because, you know what, if you really want
18 to spur economic development, you have to do
20 And, I mean, you suck a lot of
21 people in here from New York and New Jersey,
22 they stay here for a year or two, they lose
23 their shirt, and then they drag themselves
24 out of here and they can't believe how beat
25 up they got, because they're coming from a
1 place where home values have five times the
2 value the city has, and they think they're
3 going to get decent rents.
4 The average rent in this country is
5 $936 a month. You don't even have a wage
6 base that can sustain anything near that.
7 And now you got the Scranton Sewer
8 Authority talking about big projects they're
9 going to do. Everybody is borrowing a ton
10 of money, everybody is speaking out of both
11 sides of their mouth --
12 MR. MINORA: Time.
13 MR. MORGAN: -- talking about
14 economic development, and there is none.
15 So, how about some answers?
16 MR. COURTRIGHT: Thank you. Anyone
17 else? Chrissy.
18 MR. SLEDZINSKI: Bill, Richard
19 Clifford got hit in the head with a
20 baseball. He was in the hospital. It's
21 very, very serious.
22 MR. COURTRIGHT: Is he okay?
23 MR. SLEDZINSKI: Well, I heard from
24 his father, I spoke to him today, but the
25 reason why, I'll tell you right now, that
1 kid is the best human being in the world.
2 One thing, good luck with the
3 election, Bill. Win, will you for me, Bill?
4 Let's get it back to Scranton where it
5 belongs, buddy.
6 MR. COURTRIGHT: Thanks, Chris.
7 MR. ANCHERANI: Good evening.
8 Nelson Ancherani, resident, taxpayer, city
9 employee, financial secretary of the FOP
10 exercising my First Amendment rights.
11 I'm going to talk about some issues.
12 We want to forget them, and I know I will
13 never cover them in the three minutes, so
14 I'm going to echo Ms. Franus' question, and
15 I'm going to ask if Council would introduce
16 the five-minute limit again for eighth
18 An issue I will never forget, these
19 following issues, and neither will most city
20 taxpayers. A 25 percent tax increase this
21 year, and more coming; a record $77 and a
22 half million budget, $14 and a half million
23 TANS, and I still don't have an answer why
24 they were included in the budget.
25 The $10 million loan. We know they
1 were voted for by Mr. McGoff, Ms. Fanucci
2 and Ms. Gatelli.
3 Another issue, the arbitration
4 losses, one being to American Anglican to
5 the tune of $5.5 million creating a 56 and a
6 half rate increase and the other loses to
7 the city unions. And they're all results of
8 no-bid contracts, not by us, by the mayor.
9 Issue Nay Aug, the tree house is
10 almost finished, from what I understand, the
11 bridge over the gorge, that's nice also.
12 Where does it lead to?
13 Hundreds of thousand of dollars for
14 those two items, but to get to those two
15 attractions, visitors have to pass the $1.2
16 million green fish pond.
17 We took 10 plus acres of prime land
18 of South Side Complex and we got a green
19 fish pond.
20 The $250,000 undersized bath house,
21 the zoo with no water for the winter that
22 happened -- that managed to dump raw sewage
23 onto the Davis Trail, millions spent on
25 Another question, was the raw sewage
1 problem created on the Davis Trail? Where
2 is the fence around the rose garden and the
3 greenhouse repairs?
4 Free swimming, we're coming up on
5 the swim season. The fees haven't been
6 brought up by Council yet. The kids should
7 swim for free. Adults can pay, but the kids
8 should swim for free. Millions were spent
9 at Nay Aug. Let's spend a little on the
10 kids. We also pay for the electricity for
11 the Christmas lights.
12 We gave free demolition costs to the
13 properties on Bryn Mawr Street and the
14 former Holiday Manor.
15 Another issue is the $300 million
16 long-term debt by the city coupled with a
17 $200 million debt by the county.
18 The soldiers, there's a moment at
19 the beginning of the meetings that --
20 MR. MINORA: Time.
21 MR. ANCHERANI: -- we do for the
22 soldiers. Nothing has been done for them --
23 for them returning soldiers to make them
24 whole. Wouldn't it be nice if we can do
25 something for them before Veteran's Day?
1 Thanks. Anyone else?
2 MS. EVANS: Yes. Thanks to James
3 Piazza, would I think is going to be my new
4 CA, council assistant, I have the telephone
5 number of Senator Mellow. Please call his
6 office concerning the location of the
7 medical school within the City of Scranton.
8 The number is 346-5721, 346-5721.
9 Please don't let up. If you've
10 called before, call again. Let's keep the
11 pressure on until we receive a positive
12 response. Thank you.
13 MS. GATELLI: Motion to adjourn?
14 MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.
15 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Second.
16 (MEETING WAS ADJOURNED.)
1 C E R T I F I C A T E
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4 evidence are contained fully and accurately in the
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