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1 SCRANTON CITY COUNCIL MEETING

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5 Held:

6 Thursday, March 8, 2007

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9 Time:

10 6:30 p.m.

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13 Location:

14 Council Chambers

15 Scranton City Hall

16 340 North Washington Avenue

17 Scranton, Pennsylvania

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23 Lisa M. Graff, RMR

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1 CITY OF SCRANTON COUNCIL:

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3 MR. WILLIAM COURTRIGHT, VICE-PRESIDENT

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5 MS. JANET EVANS

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7 MS. SHERRY NEALON FANUCCI

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9 MR. ROBERT MCGOFF

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11 MR. AMIL MINORA, ESQUIRE, SOLICITOR

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13 MS. KAY GARVEY, CITY CLERK

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15 MR. NEIL COOLICAN, ASSISTANT CITY CLERK

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1 MR. COURTRIGHT: Okay. Please stand

2 for the Pledge Of Allegiance. Please remain

3 standing for a moment of reflection. Before

4 we start, Mr. Minora just informed us that

5 Mrs. Gatelli is not going to be here this

6 evening, so we'll be minus one. Kay.

7 MS. GARVEY: Roll call, Neil.

8 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Evans.

9 MS. EVANS: Here.

10 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Fanucci.

11 MS. FANUCCI: Here.

12 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. McGoff.

13 MR. MCGOFF: Here.

14 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. Courtright.

15 MR. COURTRIGHT: Here.

16 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Gatelli.

17 MR. MCGOFF: In the absence of Mrs.

18 Gatelli, I would like to make a motion to

19 appoint Mr. Courtright as the temporary

20 chairman on rules.

21 MS. EVANS: Second.

22 MR. COURTRIGHT: On the question?

23 All in favor.

24 MS. EVANS: Aye.

25 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Aye.
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1 MR. MCGOFF: Aye.

2 MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye. So ordered.

3 3-A.

4 MS. GARVEY: Dispense with the

5 reading of the minutes. Third order. 3-A,

6 MINUTES OF THE POLICE PENSION COMMISSION

7 MEETING HELD ON JANUARY 24, 2007.

8 MR. COURTRIGHT: Are there any

9 comments? If not, received and filed.

10 MS. GARVEY: 3-B, MINUTES OF THE

11 FIREMEN'S PENSION COMMISSION MEETING HELD ON

12 JANUARY 24, 2007.

13 MR. COURTRIGHT: Are there any

14 comments? If not, received and filed.

15 MS. GARVEY: 3-C, APPLICATIONS AND

16 DECISIONS RENDERED BY THE ZONING HEARING

17 BOARD MEETING HELD ON FEBRUARY 28, 2007.

18 MR. COURTRIGHT: Are there any

19 comments? If not, received and filed.

20 MS. GARVEY: 3-D, SCRANTON SCHOOL

21 DISTRICT'S GENERAL FUND BUDGET FOR THE YEAR

22 2007.

23 MR. COURTRIGHT: Are there any

24 comments? If not, received and filed.

25 Fourth order. Citizens participation Part
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1 One. I'm assuming this is a joke. Somebody

2 put down Pete Moss, so the first name would

3 be Fay Franus.

4 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: And they don't

5 want me to laugh.

6 MS. FRANUS: That's how stupid I am.

7 I said, Who's Pete Moss, I never heard of

8 him. Stupid. What grade did I go to?

9 Anyway, I just wanted to ask, why is

10 there hardly anything on the agenda anymore

11 for the last couple of weeks of over a

12 month? I mean, there's nothing there any

13 more.

14 MR. COURTRIGHT: I've been wondering

15 that myself. It's has been four or five

16 weeks.

17 MS. FRANUS: There has to be an

18 answer to that.

19 MS. EVANS: Actually I think it's

20 been now longer than that.

21 MS. FRANUS: Right.

22 MS. EVANS: And I began my fourth

23 year as a seated Councilwoman in 2007, and

24 in the three years prior to that, I have

25 experienced quite a full plate in January,
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1 February, March, actually every month, so I

2 find this highly unusual, to say the least,

3 very questionable, and I wonder who is

4 running the city.

5 MS. FRANUS: Exactly. It's like

6 we're a ghost town.

7 MS. EVANS: I mean, who's working

8 with whom here?

9 MS. FRANUS: Who's working behind

10 closed doors here. What's getting done

11 behind our back, is my point?

12 I mean, this can't be -- if the city

13 is running with no legislation, nothing

14 coming in front of Council, it makes you

15 wonder, doesn't it?

16 MS. EVANS: Well, it certainly makes

17 me wonder.

18 MS. FRANUS: So, how do we correct

19 something like this? I mean, how do we get

20 to the bottom of this? I mean, this is not

21 a coincidence.

22 MS. EVANS: The Council President is

23 in charge of Council's agenda. Most of the

24 legislation is sent -- actually 99 percent

25 of legislation is sent to Council from the
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1 administration, from the mayor's office, and

2 that legislation is drawn up on his request,

3 and then it is provided to the Council

4 President, who peruses it and decides which

5 items, all or some, will make Council's

6 weekly agenda.

7 So, I would assume that it would be

8 the Council President who would need to have

9 the discussion with the mayor as to how the

10 city is apparently operating minus one

11 branch of government.

12 MS. FRANUS: I would think that Mrs.

13 Gatelli should have addressed this a long

14 time ago, and she hasn't said a word about

15 it.

16 MR. COURTRIGHT: Kay, maybe we can

17 ask Mrs. Gatelli, when you speak to her this

18 week, to call up and find out what's going

19 on, because I'm curious myself. I've never

20 seen this much time go by without any

21 legislation.

22 MS. FRANUS: It makes it very

23 questionable.

24 MR. COURTRIGHT: Absolutely.

25 MS. FRANUS: And I personally don't
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1 think the people are ever going to know the

2 real reason, because there's always going to

3 be a coverup, as usual. We'll never hear

4 the truth, but this has just gone on too

5 long.

6 MR. COURTRIGHT: Well, we'll ask and

7 see what we hear.

8 MS. FRANUS: But let's try doing

9 that and let's see how much luck you have.

10 MR. COURTRIGHT: Okay.

11 MS. FRANUS: Thank you.

12 MR. COURTRIGHT: Thank you. That's

13 it. Is there anyone else?

14 MS. KRAKE: My name is Nancy Krake.

15 I'd like to also say the same thing. I'm

16 very concerned that there hasn't been

17 anything on the agenda.

18 I truly would love to see the fund

19 transfers back on the agenda. I hope

20 Council makes every effort to find out why

21 there isn't any legislation, and I'm also

22 concerned, because it seems to have tied

23 into how our speaking time was changed, and

24 I'm wondering if there's anything behind

25 that.
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1 It's very disheartening to think

2 that certain members of Council do not want

3 to hear what the public has to say. And if

4 this is simply a trick to limit what we have

5 to say, I find that extremely sad. Thank

6 you.

7 MR. COURTRIGHT: Thank you. Is

8 there anyone else?

9 MR. JACKOWITZ: Yeah, Bill

10 Jackowitz. I have the same question. I've

11 been coming here for a year and a half, and

12 the agenda used to have as many as 10, 12

13 items on it, now we have one item, and now

14 no items.

15 And I have the same question, is it

16 because speakers are now allowed three

17 minutes to speak on agenda items so the

18 reason to circumvent that is don't put

19 anything on?

20 MR. COURTRIGHT: You know, Mr.

21 Jackowitz, as Mrs. Evans said, 99 percent of

22 the legislation comes from the

23 administration, so I don't think there's

24 anyone sitting here that really knows the

25 answer. And the best we can probably do is
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1 ask and hope that we get a reasonable

2 answer.

3 MR. JACKOWITZ: That's all we're

4 asking for is to ask and give us a

5 reasonable answer.

6 And another thing is, I want to know

7 why the subpoena is not on the agenda.

8 MR. COURTRIGHT: We --

9 MS. EVANS: I --

10 MS. EVANS: If you'd rather, Mr.

11 Courtright.

12 MR. COURTRIGHT: Go ahead.

13 MS. EVANS: I was absent from last

14 week's Council meeting, Mr. Minora was

15 absent the prior week; however, just this

16 evening during our caucus prior to the

17 regular meeting, Mr. Minora gave each of us

18 a copy of the resolutions that, I believe,

19 will be on Council's agenda next week for

20 its first reading.

21 I don't believe that Mrs. Gatelli,

22 because of her absence tonight, was given a

23 copy of this, so certainly she has to have

24 the opportunity to see it as well, and it's

25 my hope that the Council members will
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1 provide their input prior to Tuesday, which

2 is when the agenda for next Thursday's

3 meeting must be published for the public,

4 and I'm hoping very much, if I have anything

5 to do with it, it will be on the agenda next

6 week.

7 MR. JACKOWITZ: Okay. Thank you,

8 Mrs. Evans, for your very informative

9 answer. It's very well appreciated.

10 And also, just some food for

11 thought, a $394,000 snow removal overtime

12 bill, plus contractors?

13 MR. COURTRIGHT: You have to wait

14 until next time.

15 MR. JACKOWITZ: No, I'm just saying.

16 There's a good need for subpoenas.

17 MR. COURTRIGHT: Thank you. Anyone

18 else? Lee.

19 MR. MORGAN: I'd just like to ask

20 one question, and that question is, I'd like

21 you to tell us who Mr. Robert Shumaker is,

22 and maybe you can explain who he is and what

23 experience and what knowledge he's going to

24 bring to the zoning appeals board in the

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1 appreciate the fact that we have three

2 minutes to ask questions, so maybe somebody

3 will use some of that time to tell us

4 something about this man.

5 MR. COURTRIGHT: He was a gentleman

6 -- basically zoning is the only board that

7 we appoint to, when I say we, I mean City

8 Council, and Mr. Shumaker was an appointment

9 of -- somebody recommended his name and we

10 all voted on it, and I believe he was an

11 alternate and now he's moving into the

12 permanent position because we lost one

13 individual.

14 MS. EVANS: And, Mr. Courtright, do

15 we have any proposals now for the

16 appointment as alternate?

17 MR. COURTRIGHT: We have one

18 alternate there and we need to make an

19 appointment for another alternate, yes, we

20 do.

21 Actually I have one gentleman that's

22 interested, but Mrs. Gatelli wasn't here

23 this evening, so I didn't bring it up in

24 caucus.

25 Most certainly, and I'm sure we'll
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1 get flooded when I say this, if anybody is

2 interested in the alternate, if you would

3 just bring your name into Council's office

4 and we'll discuss it, and we have to put

5 somebody on there, so anybody interested,

6 please bring your name in.

7 MS. EVANS: Well, perhaps maybe in

8 addition to their name, a letter of

9 interest, and let's include, not exactly a

10 resume, but perhaps what your experiential

11 background might be, your professional

12 service, your employment, et cetera, so that

13 we can better judge.

14 MR. COURTRIGHT: Yes. The one

15 gentleman that I recommended in the past,

16 and he's the alternate now, Mr. Dominguez, I

17 recommended him because of his ability to

18 read blue prints and to understand how

19 structures are supposed to be maintained in

20 the city.

21 I'm not saying that you have to have

22 that kind of experience, but it would help.

23 So, I guess we'll probably have quite a few

24 of those coming in, Kay, I would imagine.

25 Anyone else? No? Okay. Fifth order, Kay.
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1 MS. GARVEY: 5-A, motions.

2 MR. COURTRIGHT: Mrs. Evans.

3 MS. EVANS: Good evening. Let's

4 begin with a few announcements. The Upper

5 Hill Ecumenical Committee invites you to

6 Friendly's Restaurant on Tuesday, March 13

7 between five and 8 p.m.

8 All profits will be benefit The

9 Upper Hill Food Pantry, which feeds between

10 50 to 65 families per month.

11 Dress For Success is asking for our

12 help. Please donate one new or nearly new

13 interview-quality suit next week from

14 March 11 through 17th to provide low-income

15 women the chance to enter the workforce.

16 Dress For Success is located at 116

17 North Washington Avenue, Sweet 3-E. Any

18 questions, call 941-0339.

19 I wish to congratulate Mr. Dave

20 Morgan, a West Scranton High School

21 graduate, for winning the Division Three

22 National Wrestling Championship, and I ask

23 Council to recognize him with a

24 proclamation.

25 On National Women's Day, I wish to
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1 congratulate the Scranton High Lady Knights

2 basketball team who won their district

3 championship, and, again, I ask Council to

4 recognize this great team with a

5 proclamation.

6 On Monday, March 5, the Scranton

7 High School Scholastic Bowl team won first

8 place in the NEIU 19 Scholastic Bowl

9 Competition and earned the right to compete

10 in the state competition at the capital

11 building in Harrisburg in April.

12 Again, I'm proud to recognize my

13 students Lauren Mersch, Mark Cannon, Rachel

14 Fogley, Michael Garzarella and Nathan

15 Stevens.

16 My thanks to Mr. Jeff Brazil for

17 responding to Mrs. Robertson's idea for the

18 painting of a mural at the Connell Park pool

19 house, and I will have her contact Mr.

20 Brazil to review this site before the actual

21 work begins.

22 I also thank Mr. Wallace for

23 responding in writing to Mr. Curry regarding

24 a car repair business on North Main Avenue.

25 But, Kay, I would ask for a letter,
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1 please, to Solicitor Penetar of the zoning

2 board. I would like to know if a variance

3 once granted to the owner of a building and

4 property remains in effect for the duration

5 of that individual's ownership of the

6 property or is there some type of expiration

7 date with regard to variances?

8 Also, Kay, please send the following

9 correspondences: A letter to Mr. Parker

10 advising him of the traffic study conducted

11 by PennDOT at South Main Avenue and

12 Dartmouth Street. Ask him to determine the

13 required distances for South Main Avenue off

14 Dartmouth Street and forward that

15 information to Council A.S.A.P.

16 PennDOT incidentally directed the

17 city over a year ago to do exactly that, and

18 the wording was underlined, that the city

19 must implement these no parking signs, yet

20 for whatever reason, the city has failed to

21 listen to PennDOT.

22 A letter to Mr. Gerald Cross,

23 executive director of PEL, a second request

24 for a copy of the letter sent to Mayor

25 Doherty from PEL that suggests the mayor
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1 accept the arbitrator's decision regarding

2 the police department.

3 Their responses to Council has

4 always been timely, but in this case, I

5 request this response for the second time by

6 March 21, 2007.

7 MS. GARVEY: Okay. If I could just

8 interrupt there for one minute.

9 MS. EVANS: Certainly.

10 MS. GARVEY: Mr. Cross did call

11 back, it wasn't this week it may have been

12 last week, I really don't remember the date

13 that he did, and he was wondering if we

14 might be able to help him out a little bit

15 further with some more information as to

16 when that letter -- what it was dated, what

17 was it, so that he would know if he could

18 find it, you can more than --

19 MS. EVANS: I'll try to ascertain

20 that information for him, but, again, I've

21 never seen the letter.

22 MS. GARVEY: Right.

23 MS. EVANS: If I had, I wouldn't be

24 asking him for the copy of the letter, so

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1 MS. GARVEY: Right.

2 MS. EVANS: But in the meantime, I

3 would suggest that he keep looking.

4 MS. GARVEY: Okay.

5 MS. EVANS: Thank you. A second

6 letter to George Parker requesting snow

7 removal expenses. This request was made by

8 A unanimous motion of City Council, and

9 Council, I believe, should receive the

10 information before The Scranton Times.

11 And if we can put a deadline on that

12 of March 19, since Mr. Parker failed to

13 respond to the original deadline, and that,

14 of course, includes all of the contractors'

15 bills, as well, what the city is being

16 billed from them.

17 MS. GARVEY: Okay, just if I

18 interrupt one more time, Mr. Parker talked

19 to me this week about another question that

20 was asked, and I asked him your question

21 once again about that, and he said that he

22 did not have that information at his

23 disposal as of yet.

24 MS. EVANS: Well, I would assume it

25 should be in his hands by then, only because
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1 I think that when an individual or a company

2 performs a service, they're not going to

3 wait months to present you with the bill.

4 In fact, in my own experience, if I

5 have a, let's say, a plumber or an

6 electrician, the bill is presented to me

7 immediately and payment is expected

8 immediately. And, so, I would assume that

9 these companies will follow suit.

10 Furthermore, numerous citizens

11 request recycling cans. The DPW tells them

12 that they, the DPW, haven't had them in

13 years, at least since 2003, I believe.

14 Now, the city engages in a recycling

15 program, yet it doesn't make sense to give

16 recycling cans to the residents?

17 So, does the DPW intend to make such

18 a purchase? If so, please have Mr. Parker

19 provide a date.

20 Also, a letter to Comcast requesting

21 a financial report for the first quarter of

22 2007 and a projection for the second

23 quarter.

24 A very impressive speaker presented

25 a viable solution to funding issues
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1 affecting Channel 61. Mr. Osborne proposed

2 that any surplus beyond the budgeted revenue

3 received from Comcast should be given to

4 Channel 61 to fulfill Council's financial

5 pledge to this television station.

6 After receiving the data from

7 Comcast, I believe Council can amend the

8 2007 operating budget to add an account and

9 line item for support of Channel 61 using a

10 surplus from the cable franchise.

11 A letter to Mr. Fiorini, when will

12 1207 Cedar Avenue, a condemned property, be

13 demolished?

14 Last week the mayor delivered his

15 annual State of the City Address, and once

16 again, he did so at the Chamber of Commerce,

17 despite a unanimous motion passed by City

18 Council requesting that he present his

19 address in Council chambers.

20 In his address, the mayor makes a

21 lofty comparison between the state of

22 Scranton in 2007 and the United States in

23 1937.

24 However inspiring the words of FDR

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1 when they are applied to the state of

2 Scranton.

3 Under Mr. Doherty's stewardship, the

4 city's long-term debt has ballooned to

5 roughly a quarter of a billion dollars, and

6 taxes have been increased, unemployment in

7 the region is high, and a quarter of our

8 Scranton citizens live at or below the

9 poverty level. FDR pulled the nation out of

10 the great depression.

11 Furthermore, the mayor borrowing

12 from everyone, including FDR, claims to be

13 helping our poor, despite the fact that he

14 just raised taxes and refuses to allow

15 children to swim for free.

16 He touts accomplishments, such as

17 The Kanjorski Bridge and the tree house at

18 Nay Aug Park. I support these endeavors,

19 but not when The Rockwell Avenue Bridge is

20 unsafe for fire trucks and our citizens'

21 houses continue to be flooded.

22 The road ahead should face flooding

23 issues, infrastructure repairs and paying

24 down the Doherty debt.

25 If the mayor's road includes more
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1 borrowing, more tax increases and more

2 cutting of services, we should indeed turn

3 our backs on it.

4 Perhaps Mr. Doherty doesn't want to

5 deliver his address in Council chambers,

6 because he is afraid to face these issues

7 and the real people, senior citizens,

8 working families, taxpayers, who suffer from

9 his gross mismanagement of our city, yet out

10 of the corner of his mouth, he tries to sell

11 us on working together.

12 For example, the mayor claims

13 there's no need for subpoenas, information

14 is available to anyone and can be obtained

15 simply by asking for it, he's in his office

16 until 5:30, yet I have visited his office

17 and department heads several times, and I

18 have received no information.

19 Mr. Doherty's response is not

20 credible, in fact, he sounds like an

21 automated telephone service.

22 The subpoena is necessary because I

23 can't obtain information for the people of

24 this city, and I really can't understand why

25 the subpoena resolution hadn't made
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1 Council's agendas prior to this, but more

2 importantly, as was mentioned before, I

3 can't understand why weekly agendas have

4 been so bear in 2007.

5 And as I asked before, who is

6 running this city? Who is working together?

7 If you listen to the mayor his

8 favorite pronouns are, I, me, my, and mine,

9 my city, my downtown.

10 Well, Mr. Mayor, unless you are

11 writing personal checks for downtown

12 projects, KOZs and park improvements,

13 Scranton belongs to all of us.

14 Finally I was unable to attend last

15 week's meeting because of illness, however,

16 I watched the meeting on Channel 61 and

17 heard Mrs. Gatelli's closing apology for

18 having raised taxes, justifying her decision

19 by stating that taxes have been increased

20 only twice in 17 years.

21 Well, just because you haven't

22 robbed someone in many years doesn't make it

23 right to do it again. That, my friends, is

24 faulty logic.

25 If you had examined and approved my
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1 budget, Mrs. Gatelli, there wouldn't have

2 been a tax increase.

3 Scranton has the second highest wage

4 tax in Pennsylvania, high mercantile taxes,

5 an EMS Tax, and now raised property taxes.

6 People couldn't afford any more

7 taxes, despite any apologies for having

8 approved the $10 million in borrowing, and

9 the tax increase, and any promise never to

10 do it again. That's it.

11 MR. COURTRIGHT: Thank you. Mrs.

12 Fanucci.

13 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: I, too, was

14 concerned about the amounts that the storm

15 actually costed the taxpayers of the city,

16 so I did call DPW.

17 Mr. Parker claims and says that he

18 -- his numbers that he sent to The Scranton

19 Times were inaccurate.

20 So, what he said was $55,000, he did

21 not give me any written material, this was

22 over the phone, so $55,000 was on overtime

23 for DPW, $99,000 was for the rental

24 equipment and for drivers. And that was the

25 total of the storm.
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1 When I asked what -- where the

2 figures had come from in the first place, he

3 had said that it was miss -- he misread and

4 miscalculated. So, that was pretty much the

5 answer I received, also. So, I don't know

6 if that helps, but that's what I got

7 tonight.

8 He said he's going to send us the

9 exact amount, who, when, where, and I know

10 that we had added -- he had added two people

11 on the list, right, that were working?

12 MS. EVANS: Yes.

13 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Okay. Okay.

14 So, he did clarify that again today. In

15 response to the paper with PEL, they were

16 claiming -- now, today I had done the same

17 thing, I had asked for the same response,

18 what is going on, was this letter written.

19 They had claimed that this letter

20 was not written, but they were going to keep

21 looking. So, that's as far as I got. Yeah,

22 so that's as far as I got with that, also.

23 I want to thank Mark Seitzinger.

24 There was a home in the Hill Section that

25 was leaning, and I want to thank him for his
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1 quick response for the children in that yard

2 and some action that he had taken to help

3 out that family and the taxpayers in the

4 hill.

5 Also, I want to thank the policemen

6 for replying to a great fast comment. I had

7 to call them on Sunday. Someone was trying

8 to rip down a home with a backhoe just off

9 the cuff, no permit, nothing, and they did

10 go over and stop them, and I want to thank

11 them, because that could have been really

12 tragic.

13 When I went down and saw what was

14 going on, there could have been a lot of

15 people hurt, and they acted fast for me, and

16 I want to thank them for that, also.

17 One more thing I have, I just want

18 to say -- I have to respond. You know, week

19 after week I sit here, and I know that my

20 snickering for some reason seems to be --

21 spending your three minutes talking about my

22 snickering is just unbelievable to me, but

23 it is out of disbelief that I snicker.

24 When I look out there, and I know

25 the cameras at home do not catch everything
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1 that's goes on, I see a lot that goes on,

2 and I will snicker and I will disbelieve

3 this is what this forum comes to sometimes.

4 That is not what we're here for. We

5 are not here for the going on and the

6 asking, you know, questions and the

7 high-fiving each other in the back room like

8 you scored at some game.

9 It is hard for me to sit here and

10 not snicker sometimes. Now, does it mean

11 every one of you? Absolutely not. I mean,

12 come on. It is not like that.

13 But I'm also not going to sit here

14 and act like it doesn't happen. I mean, it

15 is -- sometimes it is beyond me that we can

16 sit here. It is like a Jerry springer

17 episode. I watch it and I think to myself,

18 He would walk out.

19 It is -- I know the cameras at home

20 don't see it, and I know that for some

21 reason I'm supposed to not react, but I will

22 react when I disbelieve what is going on,

23 and I will react when I don't believe that

24 the forum and the intent of that forum is

25 being used in the way that it should be.
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1 Whether you like it or not, I'm

2 going to start saying it, and I'm going to

3 keep saying it.

4 I, now, I know I'm going to get a

5 lot of flat tires now and all that crazy

6 stuff, which is fun, but this is what

7 happens in this forum.

8 You come up here, you represent

9 yourself, and instead of saying we are for

10 the people, there's so many people in this

11 city, a lot them don't agree with you.

12 A lot of times I don't agree with

13 you. In fact, your agendas are not always

14 in best interests of the people that I hear

15 from.

16 Now, I'm not looking at you, so

17 stop. I can see the -- your agendas are not

18 always for everyone in this city.

19 You're saying to me, You should be

20 representing me. Well, you are not all that

21 there is. We have tons of people in this

22 city. I'm not going to sit here and say I'm

23 going to cater to one group or another.

24 You know, it's funny how special

25 interest groups get mad if you're not
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1 catering to them. The regular people and

2 the taxpayers who are sitting home deserve

3 just as much attention as the people who

4 give their lives to come here every week.

5 Do I believe that if you seriously

6 and honestly set out to do what you intend

7 to do, we would have no problems in this

8 city.

9 You know, I hear about free swim,

10 free swim is always -- now it's going to

11 come up again, the free swim issue, do you

12 know if you took the money that were spent

13 on your T-shirts and put them towards the

14 kids in this city, we would have had a lot

15 of kids swimming for free. That would have

16 been a good idea, instead of having your --

17 MR. GERVASI: She is out of order.

18 MR. COURTRIGHT: All right. Please,

19 please, Dave, please.

20 MR. GERVASI: I'm sorry.

21 MR. COURTRIGHT: Please, Dave, Dave,

22 please.

23 MR. COURTRIGHT: Please. Can we

24 just --

25 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Now you're
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1 getting upset. On the agenda they write

2 terrible things, people write insulting

3 names instead of -- now, it's not all of

4 you.

5 Now, am I saying every one of you?

6 I didn't. But you write insulting names and

7 you think that we should sit here and act

8 like it doesn't happen, and then you don't

9 want me to laugh. You don't want me to

10 laugh.

11 MR. COURTRIGHT: All right. All

12 right. Could we wrap it up, because this

13 isn't getting us anywhere?

14 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: But I'm not

15 going to stop saying what I need to say,

16 just like you don't stop saying what you

17 need to say.

18 You come up here and say freedom o

19 speech. Freedom of speech works in my

20 direction, also. So, if you want freedom of

21 speech and you want to be able to say what

22 you want to say, you're going to have to

23 listen to me say what I'm going to need to

24 say, also.

25 MR. PILCHESKY: Your three minutes
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1 are up.

2 MR. COURTRIGHT: Mr. Pilchesky,

3 please don't yell from the audience, please.

4 Is that it?

5 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Yeah, that is

6 all. Thank you.

7 MR. COURTRIGHT: Mr. McGoff.

8 MR. MCGOFF: Thanks. As a teacher

9 of history for 36 years, I'm not sure that

10 you wanted to reference FDR at that point,

11 Mrs. Evans. He was the first -- he was the

12 first president to engage in deficit

13 spending and the first unbalanced budget,

14 and also took us off the gold standard to

15 create massive inflation for his alphabet

16 programs, so I'm not sure that that was the

17 best reference point, but --

18 MS. EVANS: Well, it was actually

19 Mr. Doherty that referenced him. He was

20 using quotes from FDR to justify moving

21 ahead in the same direction --

22 MR. MCGOFF: That would then be

23 appropriate.

24 MS. EVANS: -- and for taking care

25 of the poor, so actually I was just -- I
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1 think what you've pointed out is that they

2 might have some similarities in that way. I

3 was pointing out their contrasts.

4 MR. MCGOFF: Just for some levity.

5 Just one comment on the -- that people have

6 made about lack of agenda, agenda items. I

7 think part of that is our responsibility, as

8 well, and we should take part of the blame

9 for a lack of agenda.

10 I think that what we need to do as a

11 Council to start to think about things for

12 the future and not be looking backward at

13 things that have taken place.

14 I know I suggested in our brief

15 caucus that we meet to discuss revenue

16 generation for the future, and I think we

17 should also take a look at some of the

18 things that we have all talked about in the

19 past that we need to do as a Council to move

20 the city forward.

21 So, I think in the future, some of

22 the agenda items should be generated from us

23 and not rely completely upon the mayor and

24 the administration to present them to us,

25 and I think that then we take culpability
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1 for, you know, the agenda, we take, you

2 know, our responsibility for the agenda and

3 our responsibility as a Council members as

4 legislators. And that's all. Thank you.

5 MS. EVANS: Mr. Courtright, can I

6 just respond? I'm sorry to interrupt you.

7 I know I always do.

8 MR. COURTRIGHT: Go right ahead.

9 MS. EVANS: But you're a gentleman

10 about it.

11 MR. COURTRIGHT: Thank you.

12 MS. EVANS: I just wanted to comment

13 on that. Council certainly has the ability,

14 as the legislative body, to develop

15 legislation, and for example subpoenas, the

16 budget that I developed, but I can tell many

17 of you, and I would assume there are some of

18 you who would even remember, that on

19 occasion when Council has developed its own

20 legislation, it was at odds with Mr.

21 Doherty, who claimed Council had no right to

22 write its own resolution -- it's own

23 legislation, and because Council proceeded

24 with that legislation, it was rapidly vetoed

25 by the mayor.
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1 MR. COURTRIGHT: Thank you. First

2 let me apologize. I haven't gotten back to

3 anybody this week on E-mails, letters, phone

4 calls. I was out of town all week. I just

5 got back today.

6 I got to speak on what just happened

7 here. This is the third year, this is going

8 into my fourth year on Council, and the

9 third year on this Council has been a hectic

10 one. I said that before.

11 I wasn't happy on how this Council

12 performed, and I wasn't happy on what came

13 to the podium. I think we're out of

14 control.

15 But I think people expect us, and we

16 are expected, us up here, to rise to a

17 higher level.

18 I understand people get frustrated

19 at the podium and maybe say things that they

20 shouldn't say, and we need to be pretty

21 thick skinned. I guess you know that coming

22 into this job.

23 And I think a perfect example of

24 being frustrated is -- I don't agree with

25 you calling the audience the Jerry Springer,
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1 I'm going to have to tell you, I think that

2 was wrong, but I think you said that out of

3 frustration.

4 So, I would ask this, we don't have

5 to agree, we're not always going to agree,

6 but I think we need to treat each other with

7 a little bit more respect.

8 I understand residents need

9 questions answered, and I have always --

10 I'll just speak for myself, I have always

11 tried to answer every question I possibly

12 could. Sometimes I can't get the answer.

13 So, if I can't get it, I can't get it to

14 you.

15 But this back and forth here, I

16 don't go for you. You know, I don't think

17 we need to be yelling at you people out

18 there, and I certainly don't think you need

19 to be yelling at us.

20 I hope we can try to, on both sides

21 here, conduct ourselves a little bit better

22 in the future.

23 It's a little embarrassing sitting

24 up here when this happens. It makes me

25 wonder, you know, do I want to continue to
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1 sit up here sometimes, but I do, and I hope

2 we can move on. I hope we can move on.

3 And I guess it's the onus somewhat

4 is on us. We're supposed to try to rise to

5 a little bit of a higher level, and that's

6 difficult.

7 I've been fortunate. You haven't

8 come after me too, too much, I'm sure my

9 time is coming, but I've been fortunate.

10 I am going to leave it at that. You

11 know, I don't think there's any right thing

12 to say on that, and I'll move on to some of

13 the things that I got today. And, again, I

14 apologize. I'll get back to everybody

15 before next weak on the questions that you

16 gave me.

17 I was over with Mrs. Phillips at

18 Kennedy School, and then I was up with my

19 sister, Mrs. Franco, up at John Marshal

20 School. I got a letter from John Marshal

21 School. It says, Mr. Courtright, thank you

22 for reading Joe Joe's Flying Sidekick to us.

23 Thanks, also, for discussing karate and City

24 Council. We can't wait to see -- I promised

25 them I'd bring them karate weapons, so they
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1 want to see that. I got a little pin, and I

2 got an award here. Thank you very much.

3 And I got to see a girl I hadn't

4 seen in a lot of years, Barb Washo. I don't

5 think I would have recognized her, it's been

6 so many years.

7 And all the children signed this

8 thing, I can't read off all your names,

9 sorry. Some were pretty creative how they

10 signed it. Even as creative as the people

11 that sign our sign-in sheet here.

12 Kay, I was asked -- I'll try to get

13 this to Jeff Mackey myself, you don't need

14 to send him a letter. We've got 731 and 737

15 Alder Street and 510 Grimes Court in the

16 South Side, abandoned cars. So, I'll give

17 those to Mr. Mackey myself, Lieutenant

18 Mackey. Sir, please, sir, I -- we can hear

19 you up here, if you can hold it down.

20 Mrs. Gatelli, there was a letter

21 sent to Mrs. Gatelli, and she's not here, so

22 I'll read it. It's residents of Lafayette

23 Street and St. Frances Cabrini Avenue. It's

24 in reference to a dangerous situation for

25 students and parents walking down the 300
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1 block of Cabrini venue to board a school

2 bus.

3 And it's saying, Today is March 6,

4 2007, 20 days after the snowstorm. A few

5 sidewalks in the 300 blocks have not been

6 touched, and addresses are given here, and

7 I'll turn this over to you, Kay, and you can

8 turn them over to inspection.

9 Also, a person who resides -- they

10 claim there's a person living in a garage

11 that shouldn't be living in there. I think

12 I sent that one down already.

13 We feel we are being placed in a

14 great risk of injury or worse because of the

15 adverse conditions that presently exist.

16 It has become necessary for us to

17 walk in the middle of the slippery heavily

18 roadway/hill to reach the school bus at the

19 bottom of the hill. Many calls have been

20 placed to various responsible departments

21 with negative response. Hopefully you might

22 help in removing this dangerous situation.

23 I don't know, do you have a copy of this,

24 Kay?

25 MS. GARVEY: Yes.
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1 MR. COURTRIGHT: Could you forward

2 that, please? Again, I wasn't here this

3 week, Kay, and I didn't get a chance to look

4 at my mail. Did we send a letter out about

5 Mr. McGurl, Bernie McGurl, and the river

6 walk?

7 MS. GARVEY: Yes.

8 MR. COURTRIGHT: Did we get a

9 response yet?

10 MS. GARVEY: No, we haven't.

11 MR. COURTRIGHT: Okay. Mrs. Evans

12 spoke about Mr. -- it's Mr. Curry, is it

13 not, Mrs. Evans, the automobile dealership?

14 MS. EVANS: Yes.

15 MR. COURTRIGHT: All right. Mr.

16 Curry, you left me such a lengthy -- I was

17 out of town, he left a message on my machine

18 that it went to the end, to the end of the

19 tape and then the tape snapped, so I

20 couldn't get the whole story in there, so if

21 you want to call me again.

22 MS. EVANS: I can update you on

23 that.

24 MR. COURTRIGHT: Mrs. Evans will

25 update me on that. I'm only laughing
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1 because I got there and the tape was all

2 over.

3 Last week Mr. DiBileo came here and

4 brought up about the medical school, I

5 believe it was last week, and he asked that

6 we make a motion to send out a letter to our

7 state officials and our county officials,

8 and I believe Mr. Karam, showing our support

9 for a medical school in the Scranton area.

10 So, I'd like to make a motion that

11 we send a letter to the county

12 commissioners, to our state representatives,

13 Mr. Shimkus, I forgot -- I was going to call

14 him Frank Andrews -- Mr. Shimkus and Ken

15 Smith, and to Senator Mellow, and to the

16 governor's office and to Mr. Karam in our

17 support of a medical school in the downtown

18 area.

19 MR. MCGOFF: Second.

20 MR. COURTRIGHT: On the question?

21 All those in favor.

22 MS. EVANS: Aye.

23 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Aye.

24 MR. MCGOFF: Aye.

25 MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye. Opposed? The
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1 ayes have it and so ordered. And I believe

2 that's it.

3 MS. EVANS: Oh, Mr. Courtright, I'm

4 sorry again. If I may, I just read

5 something that we got this evening that I

6 think is important to announce to the

7 finance chair.

8 A letter was sent to the law

9 department so they would prepare the

10 necessary legislation for Council's annual

11 independent audit.

12 The company involved, Robert Rossi

13 and Company, just wanted to make sure that

14 Council is aware they will be starting late,

15 and so the audit, which is supposed to be by

16 virtue of The Home Rule Charter prepared for

17 May 2007, is going to be postponed until at

18 least July. They're hoping for July as a

19 presentation date, however, I don't think

20 any one of us would be too surprised, in

21 that, we have not received them in the last

22 three years until September and October

23 regardless.

24 But with this late start, I'm just

25 hoping that, you know, it's not going to
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1 bump into budget time.

2 And honestly it's through no fault

3 of the auditor, it is simply the difficulty

4 that they experience oftentimes in obtaining

5 the information.

6 MR. COURTRIGHT: And I'd just like

7 to add to that. You know, Council held it

8 up because of the dollar amount that was

9 given to us for other companies, and this

10 company saved us -- it was approximately

11 $100,000. So, it was a good thing that

12 Council got done.

13 So, as you said, it's been late

14 before, so we'll live with that.

15 MS. EVANS: I think we'll adjust.

16 MR. COURTRIGHT: But we're in the

17 plus for $100,000. And sixth order, Kay.

18 MS. GARVEY: Fifth order, no

19 business at this time. Sixth order, no

20 business at this time. Seventh order. 7-A,

21 FOR CONSIDERATION BY THE COMMITTEE ON RULES

22 - FOR ADOPTION - RESOLUTION NO. 130, 2007 -

23 APPOINTING ROBERT SHUMAKER, 702 STAFFORD

24 AVE., SCRANTON, PENNSYLVANIA, 18505, AS A

25 MEMBER OF THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS FOR
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1 THE CITY OF SCRANTON. MR. SHUMAKER WILL

2 FILL THE UNEXPIRED TERM OF MARY DUNLEAVY,

3 WHOSE TERM EXPIRES ON JULY 1, 2007.

4 MR. COURTRIGHT: As temporary chair

5 for the committee on rules, I recommend

6 final passage of Item 7-A.

7 MR. MCGOFF: Second.

8 MS. GATELLI: On the question? Roll

9 call.

10 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Evans.

11 MS. EVANS: Yes.

12 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Fanucci.

13 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Yes.

14 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. McGoff.

15 MR. MCGOFF: Yes.

16 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. Courtright.

17 MR. COURTRIGHT: Yes.

18 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Gatelli.

19 MR. COURTRIGHT: I hereby declare

20 Item 7-A legally and lawfully adopted.

21 That's it. Eighth order.

22 MS. GARVEY: Eighth order.

23 MR. COURTRIGHT: And Fay Franus,

24 first speaker.

25 MS. FRANUS: Fay Franus. Mr.
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1 Courtright, I beg to differ with you when

2 you said earlier that people get to the

3 podium and they don't say what they mean.

4 Yes, they do.

5 MR. COURTRIGHT: I didn't mean it --

6 I didn't mean they didn't say what they

7 mean, I said sometimes they speak out of

8 frustration because they're mad because they

9 didn't get the answers they were hoping for.

10 MS. FRANUS: They're mad because

11 they got a tax increase from Mr. McGoff,

12 Mrs. Fanucci and Mrs. Gatelli.

13 They're mad. They're plenty mad,

14 especially when you didn't have to do that,

15 and they had a budget that Mrs. Evans had

16 that wouldn't have raised taxes at all, and

17 yet these people did it, Mrs. Gatelli, Mrs.

18 Fanucci and Mr. McGoff.

19 And Mr. McGoff, October 28, you said

20 that you were not -- you did not have any

21 more political aspirations, and Mrs. Gatelli

22 also said that that's why she appointed you

23 as Council, and that's why she didn't want

24 to vote for Gary DiBileo because he might

25 run.
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1 Now, how do you sit there and run

2 for Council now when you said you were not

3 going to run for Council that's how you sort

4 of got appointed. Liar, liar, pants on

5 fire.

6 MR. MCGOFF: Excuse me. Don't call

7 me names.

8 MS. FRANUS: Well, this is America.

9 You're also forgetting freedom of speech.

10 MR. MCGOFF: That's out of order.

11 Don't call -- name calling is not

12 appropriate.

13 MS. FRANUS: It's how I feel. If it

14 fits, it fits. If you can't take the heat

15 up there, you're elected officials, then

16 maybe you shouldn't be there.

17 And Mrs. Fanucci, as far as the

18 people with the T-shirts, it's really none

19 of your business how people spend their

20 money.

21 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Well, it's just

22 a suggestion.

23 MS. FRANUS: Well, it's out of line.

24 I mean, people could spend their money any

25 way they want. It has nothing to do with
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1 pool fees. There shouldn't be pool fees for

2 kids.

3 And you mentioned that you speak for

4 the people in the city, not just a few here.

5 I'm sure all the people in the City of

6 Scranton aren't home saying thank you, Mrs.

7 Fanucci, for raising my taxes, some of them

8 are saying now, I can't live here anymore.

9 I'm sure they're sitting home saying, Thank

10 you for raising my taxes, Mrs. Fanucci, and

11 I bet they're clapping. I don't think so.

12 So, I'd like to see these people

13 that you say you're doing things for, other

14 than just a few here. There aren't any.

15 Another thing, how come this has to

16 be on the agenda for a subpoena, when Mr.

17 McGoff was put in here as a motion? That

18 was a pretty serious thing, but nothing had

19 to go on the agenda for him to be a Council

20 member, but it just got through on a motion,

21 so why can't the subpoena go on a motion?

22 MS. EVANS: I can respond to that,

23 Mrs. Franus. We -- actually I made the

24 motion for the subpoenas, and the motion was

25 unanimously passed. The last time subpoenas
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1 were issued, that indeed was the way in

2 which the procedure played out, however, at

3 the advice of Council solicitor, I decided

4 to place a resolution for subpoenas of the

5 first five government entities on the

6 agenda, and the reason being that Mr. Minora

7 felt should the administration oppose these

8 subpoenas, in fact, oppose them such that

9 they would take City Council to court, it

10 would strengthen the standing of City

11 Council, at least where the judge would be

12 concerned, that Council would be able to

13 state we did this, not only by motion, but

14 we did this by resolution.

15 In other words, the fear of our

16 attorney is that a judge could ask had

17 Council moved this through resolution, and

18 were we to answer no, we could very possibly

19 be tossed out of that courtroom on that

20 ground alone.

21 And so, I'm trying -- I want this

22 information for all of you very much, but I

23 do believe we have to dot the I's, cross the

24 T's and make sure that there's no judge who

25 is going to be able to say procedurally we
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1 are in error.

2 MS. FRANUS: Thank you for that

3 explanation.

4 MR. MINORA: That's way past three

5 minutes.

6 MS. EVANS: Pardon?

7 MR. MINORA: That's way past three

8 minutes.

9 MS. EVANS: That's my fault.

10 MR. COURTRIGHT: Just wrap it up,

11 could you?

12 MS. FRANUS: Just one more thing,

13 when Mrs. Gatelli allows some people to

14 speak longer than three minutes and others

15 not, that's not really right. That's

16 discrimination. I mean, I know she says

17 it's at her discretion, but she can't -- she

18 does not supercede Thomas Jefferson.

19 If you're going to do it for one,

20 you do it for all or you do it for none.

21 You cannot say yes to one and no to another,

22 not matter what. Period. That's the way it

23 is. It's not her law, it's The

24 Constitution. She can't change that.

25 So, all I'm saying anymore is either
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1 nobody speaks over three minutes or

2 everybody can. Period. Thank you.

3 MR. COURTRIGHT: Thank you. Bill

4 Jackowitz.

5 MR. JACKOWITZ: Bill Jackowitz,

6 retired United States Air Force. Since I

7 was the originator of The Legion of Doom

8 T-shirts, I now have $300 million in my bank

9 account, according to Ms. Fanucci, because

10 we can balance the budget off the sale of

11 The Legion of Doom T-shirts.

12 I've spoken from this podium for one

13 and a half years and written several letters

14 to the editor asking for six adults to work

15 together and make Scranton, Pennsylvania a

16 better place to live and work and play.

17 I have asked City Council members to

18 work together and forget politics. I have

19 failed, and I was wrong.

20 We have five adults and one

21 adolescent. Looking at the candidates for

22 City Council and school board, politics at

23 play and work. Again, a wise man seeks much

24 counsel, a foolish man listens to all of it.

25 Do not believe everything that you are told,
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1 specially from most politicians.

2 Ms. Fanucci, your little statement

3 earlier today, I feel, is your right.

4 You're an American citizen, you have First

5 Amendment rights, just like everybody else

6 does, just like you had the right to leave a

7 meeting and confront Les Spindler out in the

8 hallway.

9 I think the citizens who watch this

10 show are not hearing and need to know that,

11 also. You had the right last summer to get

12 up during the summer meetings and leave this

13 Council chambers to go to your state job.

14 You were getting paid from the state, and

15 you were getting paid from the city. You

16 have that right, because you are an American

17 citizen.

18 Just like I have the right to come

19 up here and speak every Thursday. I have

20 never been on the Jerry Springer Show, I

21 never plan to be on The Jerry Springer Show.

22 Mrs. Fanucci, I hope you never

23 resign. I do not want you to resign,

24 because you are a very amusing person. So,

25 please stay on City Council. Don't resign.
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1 Raise the taxes again this year, next year,

2 just follow whatever Mayor Doherty tells you

3 to do, okay?

4 Because remember, you were the one

5 who forgot that you got a campaign

6 contribution, you were the one who voted for

7 Gary DiBileo and then changed your mind, the

8 almighty oops vote. I can go on, but I'm

9 not going to, because I see no purpose. You

10 started this, hopefully it ends right now.

11 Thank you.

12 MR. COURTRIGHT: Thank you. Joe

13 Talamini.

14 MR. TALAMINI: Joe Talamini. With

15 regards to the subpoenas, I believe that you

16 people voted by motion to have the subpoenas

17 issues. You followed up again with a

18 resolution, Mrs. Evans, if I'm not wrong,

19 but during that time you did ask for all

20 pertinent financial information; did you

21 not?

22 MS. EVANS: In my motion, yes, I

23 did.

24 MR. TALAMINI: And that was

25 approved; was it not?
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1 MS. EVANS: Unanimously.

2 MR. TALAMINI: All right. Mrs.

3 Gatelli advised me last week that the

4 Council had to take into consideration what

5 they were going to ask for. That was not

6 part of the motion. Am I right or wrong?

7 Asked for all financial records, and Mrs.

8 Gatelli saw last week to tell me that the

9 Council had to sit back and decide what kind

10 of information they wanted.

11 MS. EVANS: Oh, so in other words,

12 the subpoenas were not ready last week.

13 MR. TALAMINI: The subpoenas were

14 not ready last week --

15 MS. EVANS: Well, yes, I would agree

16 with that, because we just received them

17 tonight.

18 MR. TALAMINI: Okay. But why did

19 the Council have to sit back after making a

20 motion and passing it, why did they have to

21 sit back and decide what they wanted after

22 the motion was passed to seek all financial

23 records from these agencies?

24 MS. EVANS: Well, I believe the goal

25 is to -- remains to receive all financial
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1 information, but in order to make it more

2 manageable and more effective, it will come

3 in waves.

4 The first wave, I believe, should

5 include one authority and three city

6 departments. And once that information has

7 been obtained and reviewed, then the next

8 round of subpoenas will be issued.

9 MR. TALAMINI: Thank you, Mrs.

10 Evans.

11 MS. EVANS: You're welcome.

12 MR. TALAMINI: The other item I want

13 to bring up is the smoking ordinance. Now,

14 The Scranton Housing Authority saw it fit

15 this week to go by your ordinance and claim

16 that we can no longer smoke in Scranton

17 Housing Authority buildings, with the

18 exception of our apartments, which means

19 people like myself and several others who

20 have been using our day room can no longer

21 use it because we're not allowed to smoke

22 there, this at the behest of one or two

23 individuals who happen to speak to Mr.

24 Pilakachi and a few others who think they

25 run the buildings.
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1 But the point of it is, and I would

2 address this to Mr. Minora, the Erie County

3 judge, I believe he found that the smoking

4 ordinance in Erie County was in violation of

5 Pennsylvania Clear Indoor Air Act of 1988,

6 Section 1235.1, which says, No law may

7 surpass the state law.

8 In other words, according to the

9 state law, only first class cities, such as

10 Pittsburgh and Philadelphia can enact laws

11 opposing the state. Scranton is a second

12 class city.

13 Now, if a judge has ruled on this, I

14 would ask Council to instruct the solicitor

15 to further investigate this and come back

16 with an answer in a very short time as to

17 why this ordinance is not deemed illegal

18 precluding any court action which is pending

19 right now. And I can assure you that court

20 action is pending.

21 MR. MINORA: That's three minutes.

22 MR. COURTRIGHT: Thank you, Mr.

23 Talamini.

24 MR. TALAMINI: That may be three

25 minutes, Mr. Minora, but you should be
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1 paying attention to what's going on. You're

2 supposed to be a solicitor.

3 MR. MINORA: Don't attack my legal

4 credentials, because you don't know what

5 you're talking about legally.

6 MR. TALAMINI: I'm not attacking

7 your legal credentials, I'm attacking you.

8 MR. COURTRIGHT: Please, Mr.

9 Talamini, please. Andy Sbaraglia.

10 MR. SBARAGLIA: Andy Sbaraglia,

11 citizen of Scranton. Fellow Scrantonians,

12 I'm going to ask again that you consider

13 passing legislation for free swim. I don't

14 care who vetoes it or so forth and so on,

15 but it has to get on the record who is

16 keeping the kids from Scranton from swimming

17 for free.

18 MR. COURTRIGHT: Mr. Sbaraglia, I

19 believe last year we did pass for the

20 schools or the pools, with the exception of

21 Nay Aug Park, because we have no control

22 over Nay Aug Park.

23 MR. SBARAGLIA: I realize that, but

24 you also know it was vetoed by the mayor and

25 vetoed by two members of Council, so it
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1 wasn't overridden, so it stood in effect

2 they couldn't swim. I'm asking you to do it

3 again. It's not very hard to do it.

4 MR. COURTRIGHT: I agree with you.

5 I'm in favor of free swimming.

6 MR. SBARAGLIA: It's awful important

7 to the children. The demographics of the

8 city is changing dramatically. We have a

9 lot more people that are disadvantaged in

10 the city today than we had maybe 20 years

11 ago.

12 Things are getting desperate in this

13 city. They cannot afford to have kids swim,

14 or would you rather graffiti? Would you

15 rather Blues or whoever these gangs are to

16 flourish because you don't think the city --

17 the kids deserve some kind of a summer

18 program?

19 I asked you before to contact the

20 school district and The University and

21 actually have a summer playground. You can

22 do that very easily.

23 MR. COURTRIGHT: I believe Mrs.

24 Evans did do something with the school

25 direct, didn't you?
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1 MS. EVANS: Yes. That was probably

2 two to three years ago at Mr. Morgan's

3 request, but the school district, though

4 they found it to be a good idea, they

5 informed us that they offer many, many

6 programs year-around, evenings, weekends,

7 many summer programs, and they felt they

8 were not financially capable at that point

9 of assuming any additional responsibility.

10 MR. SBARAGLIA: The school board

11 just borrowed $60 million. I think they got

12 money available.

13 But let's put it this way back

14 again. I told you this three years ago,

15 when I was a little kid, I do not want to go

16 to school to play. I want to play in the

17 parks and the pools, and you should realize

18 that, too. You were all kids, too. Would

19 you like to go to summer school because

20 that's their summer program?

21 You don't want a program like that.

22 You want a program where you can swim, use

23 teeter totters, and even play a little ball,

24 throw the ball around and so forth and so

25 on. This is what you want. This is what
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1 Scranton had.

2 What you're going to do is actually

3 when these kids grow up, you're not going to

4 get people like Karam again and Nardelli and

5 so forth and so on that's going to give a

6 darn about Scranton. All they're going to

7 have is bad memories of this city.

8 Them people have good memories of

9 this city, because they grew up in a city

10 that had these things.

11 MR. MINORA: Three minutes.

12 MR. COURTRIGHT: Thank you, Andy.

13 MS. EVANS: Mr. Sbaraglia, just to

14 clarify, when I spoke with the school

15 directors at the time, they weren't

16 referencing summer school as a summer

17 activity, but rather recreational programs

18 that were available during the summer.

19 But beyond that, I do agree with

20 you, and I think this should be done -- if

21 it can't be done this evening, the motion

22 should be made at next week's meeting,

23 because I do recall last summer, and the

24 motion being made very early on, and for

25 whatever reason, Council dragged its feet
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1 all summer until such time as the swimming

2 season was just about over, so the veto was

3 almost irrelevant. And I don't want to see

4 that happen again. It's got to happen now.

5 MR. COURTRIGHT: Thank you. Mike

6 Dudek.

7 MR. DUDEK: My name is Mike Dudek,

8 608 Depot Street, Scranton, PA. I live here

9 in The Plot. And I'm here today to make a

10 very open-handed offer to City Council. The

11 city wants to build a medical center. And

12 I'm sitting here already listening to you

13 talking about sending a letter talking about

14 your supporting the construction of a

15 medical center in the Downtown Scranton and

16 so forth.

17 That's fine, that's wonderful, but

18 you have to understand, downtown Scranton

19 has already been defined by the Scranton

20 Redevelopment Authority as Lackawanna

21 Avenue, Mifflin, Olive and Jefferson

22 Streets. That area is circumscribed.

23 Now, does anybody up there know when

24 that happened? 1955. You have a lot of

25 homework to do. I want to see the City of
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1 Scranton do this right.

2 Now, as I'm looking at the way the

3 administration is dealing with Buona Pizza,

4 the city administration is doing it the way

5 it has always done urban redevelopment in

6 this city in a very heavy-handed, very

7 mean-spirited fashion. That's not the way

8 to do it. I wrote the book on urban

9 redevelopment in the City of Scranton.

10 Now, I can't tell if Attorney Robert

11 Gownley is still with us or not, I don't

12 know if he's alive or deceased or whatever.

13 He might have been the only person who knows

14 more about this topic than I do.

15 The City of Scranton tried to take

16 his homestead for $10,000. His house was

17 one of these big 14 room typical big

18 Scranton houses that would probably sell for

19 $300,000 today.

20 He took the city over the coals,

21 because the city thought that they were just

22 going to railroad him like everybody else.

23 I can give you a long education about this

24 topic.

25 But what I'd like you to do is have
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1 the city administration work professionally,

2 have realtors on both sides. I would like

3 to see this building built taking as few

4 properties as possible, so that instead of

5 the city doing the negotiating, have

6 realtors get involved, have them meet with

7 whatever owners are going to have to give up

8 their properties and meet for fair prices.

9 Take the properties that are needed and

10 build this medical center.

11 This medical center could be a boom

12 for this city. If you take a look at

13 Baltimore, Johns Hopkins University Medical

14 Center, we would have something comparable.

15 University of Scranton with a

16 medical center, even though they're not

17 linked, the financial benefit to Scranton

18 would be similar to what Johns Hopkins does

19 for Baltimore.

20 MR. MINORA: That's three minutes,

21 Mr. Dudek.

22 MR. DUDEK: Thank you.

23 MR. COURTRIGHT: Thank you. Robert

24 Maciejeski.

25 Mr. MACIEJESKI: Robert Maciejeski,
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1 resident. This past weekend I read the

2 associated press' report, as well as The

3 Scranton Times' report on Judge John Bosa's

4 ruling regarding the Erie County smoking

5 ban.

6 Now, he ruled the ban to be

7 Unconstitutional because it enacted a more

8 rigorous smoking regulation than The Clean

9 Indoor Act, the smoking regulation of the

10 state.

11 I'm not a lawyer, but I read the

12 act, and judging by the language, it

13 insinuates that Scranton does not have the

14 authority to enact a smoking ordinance that

15 supercedes this act, only a first class city

16 may.

17 And the only two in the city, I

18 believe, are Philadelphia and Pittsburgh. I

19 mean, this isn't news. I believe Mrs. Evans

20 said this right when the -- around the

21 inception of the ban.

22 Now, if this Clean Indoor Act

23 applies to the city, then the Erie County

24 ruling should be used as sort of a precedent

25 that could -- it would save the city money
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1 if they just got rid of the ban until the --

2 if it's eminent that the state is going to

3 enact a smoking ban, then why not get rid of

4 it?

5 Because if it goes to court, which I

6 know there's litigation against the ban

7 already, if this goes to court, then it's

8 just going to cost the city money, and it's

9 going to -- they're going to lose, if the

10 judge uses this case in Erie County as a

11 precedent, and if the ban is recognized as

12 illegal.

13 All it's does so far is hurt

14 business. I don't see the relation to

15 public health. It seems like the ban was

16 just thought of to take light off the city

17 finance.

18 Now, the businesses affected, which

19 there's a good number, I've talked to a

20 couple business owners in particular who

21 have lost a great deal of business.

22 Now, if they receive some sort of

23 tax breaks or something. I mean, or no

24 one's healthy or safer from this.

25 And all the people who say, Well,
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1 follow the law, the city law that you can't

2 smoke, don't smoke 20 feet away or you can't

3 smoke inside, well, the city didn't follow

4 the state law when they enacted this ban, so

5 what makes the citizens susceptible to this

6 law?

7 Scranton is an independent state and

8 it has to follow the state law, whether the

9 leaders agree with it or not.

10 I mean, if they don't, then it's

11 always available to run for state

12 legislature and change the law if they feel

13 so strongly about it.

14 Now, Mr. Courtright, I read in The

15 Scranton Times that, I don't know if it was

16 a misquote, but that not many business

17 owners have come forward with any ideas.

18 But I thought talked to one in

19 particular, and he didn't know about it, but

20 I think he's sending a letter, but even if

21 you were to go out to someplace like Chick's

22 or My Mother's Table and you saw -- on the

23 weekend or morning and you compared the

24 business to what it was --

25 MR. MINORA: Three minutes.
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1 MR. MACIEJESKI: -- a year ago, you

2 would see there's a great difference.

3 Thanks.

4 MR. COURTRIGHT: Thank you. Charlie

5 Newcomb, Sr.

6 MR. NEWCOMB, SR.: Good evening,

7 Council. Just a few questions and a few

8 statements.

9 We read in the paper on Sunday about

10 what Dunmore was doing with people that were

11 involved in car accidents where they were

12 getting billed for or their insurance was

13 getting billed for the use of the police and

14 the firemen, non-residents, and I believe it

15 all came from, like, a PEL situation that

16 told them, you know, you're in dire straits,

17 you have to make some money.

18 Well, one thing I give the Council

19 people up in Dunmore credit for is they made

20 a very hard decision, but they did what had

21 to be right.

22 Mr. Bolus came here many times

23 talked about an impact fee, that's exactly

24 what that is.

25 If the City of Scranton enacted such
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1 a thing, we have 25,000 people to come

2 through here every day, non-residents, the

3 people that use the services are the ones

4 that should have to pay for this, which

5 means if they're involved in an accident,

6 you know, they get the firemen and the

7 police, they have to pay for it.

8 But my question is to be fair on the

9 other end, it says that we're supplying

10 Dunmore with -- our firefighters are helping

11 fight their fires. Do we get reimbursed

12 from Dunmore? Does anybody know that?

13 MR. COURTRIGHT: I don't think so.

14 I think we just have a reciprocal agreement,

15 they help us, we help them.

16 MR. NEWCOMB, SR.: Well, I don't

17 think they help us, because they only have

18 one fire truck, so I don't think that they

19 help up.

20 But the question of it is, and God

21 forbid, but what happens if one of our

22 firemen are up in Dunmore fighting a fire at

23 a house and they get injured? Do we pay

24 their Comp or is Dunmore responsible for the

25 injury?
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1 MR. COURTRIGHT: I'm getting it

2 would be our responsibility, but I'll find

3 it out for you.

4 MR. NEWCOMB, SR.: I think we should

5 look into it. I mean, if they're going to

6 charge fees like that, we should -- they

7 should pay for our fire and police if they

8 need them, instead of the citizens of the

9 city.

10 And Mr., if I could ask Mr. Minora a

11 question, do you feel very confident in your

12 decision about the smoking ban? Do you feel

13 that it's going to stand?

14 MR. MINORA: I do.

15 MR. NEWCOMB, SR.: Okay. Well, my

16 answer to that is this, I mean, I know a lot

17 of people are for it, some are against it.

18 I definitely am for it. If anybody had any

19 family members that passed away from

20 smoking, you'll -- you can see where this

21 comes from.

22 All I can say is the St. Patty's Day

23 Parade is this weekend, and if Mr. Minora

24 feels as strong about it as he does that

25 we're going to succeed, the mayor was on the
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1 radio and said we're going to bring in

2 millions of dollars this weekend hopefully

3 for the city with the parade, they were on

4 22 last night.

5 The people that do the parade said

6 that with the hotels and everything else, it

7 usually brings in a couple million dollars.

8 Well, all I can say if the policemen

9 do their job and anybody else that has to be

10 involved with this smoking ban, I mean, I

11 know we're not supposed to put these things

12 into to make money, but I'll tell you what,

13 we can make a heck of a lot of money this

14 weekend with money in our coffers if the law

15 is followed. Thank you.

16 MR. COURTRIGHT: Thank you. Lee

17 Morgan.

18 MR. MORGAN: After the next speaker.

19 MR. COURTRIGHT: Giovanni Piccolino.

20 MR. PICCOLINO: (UNTRANSCRIBABLE,

21 SPOKE IN ITALIAN.) Well, usually when I

22 speak in English, I really don't get many

23 answers, so I thought I'd speak in a

24 different language and it might help out.

25 What I was asking was is there
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1 anything with this so-called agreement with

2 the mayor? No?

3 MS. EVANS: We've heard nothing,

4 just like you.

5 MR. PICCOLINO: This article says it

6 good here, if the administration should put

7 the relocation offer in stone, it would help

8 to strike an agreement and prevent a court

9 battle.

10 Redevelopment clearly is in the best

11 interest of the city and might as well

12 benefit the pizzeria as well.

13 So, I would ask City Council to

14 draft this letter to Mayor Doherty that we

15 talked about before that said that you're

16 not going to pass any legal stuff or whatnot

17 for the redevelopment project until and, if

18 not, they include us. So, I say we draft up

19 that letter this week and send it to him.

20 MS. EVANS: Well, I'll make a motion

21 that that letter be drafted.

22 MR. COURTRIGHT: What is the letter

23 going to say now?

24 MS. EVANS: Actually this was my

25 suggestion several weeks ago, that City
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1 Council would not entertain any legislation

2 involving any of the projects connected to

3 the 500 block of Lackawanna Avenue project,

4 unless Buona Pizza would be part of that

5 project.

6 MR. COURTRIGHT: Do you want to do

7 that in the form of a motion?

8 MS. EVANS: Yes. To send him a

9 letter stating that.

10 MR. COURTRIGHT: Am I allowed to

11 second it now that I'm the president

12 tonight?

13 MR. MINORA: Yes.

14 MR. COURTRIGHT: Okay. Second. On

15 the question?

16 MS. EVANS: Should we wait for Mrs.

17 Fanucci for the vote?

18 MR. COURTRIGHT: Do we need to, Mr.

19 Minora, or can three of us vote on it?

20 Well, we'd like to get her opinion maybe.

21 MR. MINORA: I think that's a

22 courtesy.

23 MR. MCGOFF: She is present, and --

24 MR. COURTRIGHT: Right. I'd just

25 say this, can we hold his time for one
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1 minute, because I want to say something.

2 Mrs. Evans and myself are the only

3 two that were here when this whole thing

4 started many years ago, and I think the five

5 that were sitting here at the time were of

6 the understanding that anybody on that block

7 that wanted to stay would have their facade

8 renovated. If you did not want to stay,

9 they would buy you out. And I think that's

10 why we agreed to go along with this.

11 MS. EVANS: I absolutely concur with

12 that.

13 MR. COURTRIGHT: How we've come to

14 where we are now, is beyond me. And I can't

15 stress enough, I just think it's simply

16 wrong.

17 I never met you until I came down,

18 you know. I mean, I've been in your place a

19 million times, but I never met you

20 personally. I just think it's wrong, you

21 know.

22 MR. PICCOLINO: So does the whole

23 city.

24 MR. COURTRIGHT: I just think it's

25 wrong that a business that's been here for
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1 40 years and have suffered through some hard

2 times in this town isn't given a fair shake.

3 MR. PICCOLINO: It doesn't look like

4 there's any businesses that are coming to

5 town that are --

6 MR. MINORA: That's three minutes.

7 MR. COURTRIGHT: Okay. Mr.

8 Piccolino, if you can hold on one second,

9 I'm going to ask Mrs. Evans to restate her

10 motion because Mrs. Fanucci wasn't here.

11 MS. EVANS: I move to send a letter

12 to Mayor Doherty indicating that Scranton

13 City Council as a body will not entertain

14 any legislation involving the 500 block of

15 Lackawanna Avenue, unless Buona Pizza is

16 included in that project.

17 MR. COURTRIGHT: Second. On the

18 question?

19 MR. MCGOFF: I just want to be clear

20 on what the motion is before I make a

21 decision, that what you are suggesting is

22 that the only legislation that we would not

23 vote on would be any legislation dealing

24 with those properties.

25 MR. COURTRIGHT: Right.
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1 MR. MCGOFF: Is that correct?

2 MS. EVANS: Anything dealing with

3 that project. And Council has the ability

4 through the president to keep those items

5 off Council's agenda infinitely.

6 MR. PICCOLINO: All we want is to be

7 included. We're here 41 years, we might as

8 be included now.

9 MR. COURTRIGHT: I think what you're

10 asking is it specific to the 500 block of

11 Lackawanna Avenue.

12 MR. MCGOFF: Yes.

13 MS. EVANS: Yes, it's specific to

14 that redevelopment project.

15 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: The only

16 problem I foresee is that under eminent

17 domain, it doesn't go through us, it goes

18 through the state. It's not -- it wouldn't

19 -- the legislation --

20 MS. EVANS: Well, his particular

21 project is not going through us, but --

22 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Right.

23 MS. EVANS: -- but there will be

24 other legislation undoubtedly that comes

25 from this Council that in some way, shape or
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1 form is going to be connected to that

2 project, whether it's other buildings,

3 whether it's loans for businesses who want

4 to locate into that block, et cetera.

5 This can take quite a number of

6 avenues, and what I'm saying is that Council

7 will not entertain any of those items of

8 legislation unless Buona Pizza is allowed to

9 remain and be part of this 500 block of

10 Lackawanna Avenue redevelopment project.

11 MR. COURTRIGHT: Anyone else? Could

12 I ask for a roll call vote; is that all

13 right, Mr. Minora, so we can be perfectly

14 clear?

15 MR. MINORA: Sure.

16 MR. COURTRIGHT: Can I have a roll

17 call, Neil?

18 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Evans.

19 MS. EVANS: Yes.

20 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Fanucci.

21 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Yes.

22 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. McGoff.

23 MR. MCGOFF: Yes.

24 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. Courtright.

25 MR. COURTRIGHT: Yes.
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1 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Gatelli. It's

2 four nothing. It passes. Thank you.

3 MR. PICCOLINO: Thank you, Council.

4 MR. COURTRIGHT: Is Lee down? Lee

5 Morgan. I think that's your name, Lee. I

6 can't read the writing. Were you after

7 Charlie?

8 MR. MORGAN: Yes.

9 MR. COURTRIGHT: It must be you

10 then. All right.

11 MR. MORGAN: You know, I'd just like

12 to say that I hoped that Mrs. Gatelli was

13 here tonight, because, you know, there's

14 some question -- people on Council, I guess

15 maybe just Mrs. Gatelli, wonders why people

16 come here and seem to only complain to

17 Council.

18 And I don't think that's what's

19 going on here at all. I think that Council

20 has the obligation to interact with all the

21 authorities, I think Council has an

22 obligation to protect the taxpayers at all

23 times, I think that Council has the

24 obligation to question the things the mayor

25 does and any department heads do, I think
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1 that you're the one thing that stands

2 between us and every other department in

3 this city, including, I would like to say,

4 the school district.

5 And I just think that people come

6 here looking for help and answers, and I

7 think that too often Council really doesn't

8 live up to its obligations.

9 I think Council didn't spend enough

10 time going over the budget, and I think that

11 the use of the golf course money was wrong

12 no matter why it was used.

13 I just think that everybody's pretty

14 much frustrated with this Council, and I

15 know that Mrs. Fanucci seems a little

16 frustrated, but I think if the Council

17 members were willing to go through the

18 neighborhoods, they're not happy really with

19 the performance of this Council at all.

20 And I just think things really have

21 to change here, and somebody has to realize

22 that this community is under so much stress

23 that it's unbelievable.

24 People are losing their homes, and

25 we're listening to babble up here from
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1 Council. And I'm just wondering, are any of

2 you people really thinking about the

3 situation this city finds itself in? I

4 mean, we've borrowed everything we can

5 borrow.

6 MS. EVANS: Mr. Morgan, I think

7 about it all the time, but I think, and I

8 work toward that end each day of my life,

9 and I have been most vigilant and active for

10 every day that I've sat in this office,

11 however, I think you're missing the key to

12 the situation, and it's simply this, the

13 mayor, this is a strong mayor form of

14 government --

15 MR. MORGAN: Absolutely.

16 MS. EVANS: -- and the mayor

17 basically dictates what occurs in this city.

18 And unless you are willing to say, yes, sir

19 to the mayor and carry out his agenda, he

20 will not work with you, he will ignore you

21 as if you are nonexistent.

22 MR. MORGAN: I think in all reality,

23 a lot of the things that are brought up to a

24 vote on THE agenda that are introduced here

25 should have never been introduced.
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1 MS. EVANS: I would agree, but

2 Council doesn't have that power, only a

3 Council President has that power.

4 MR. MORGAN: That's right, and you

5 know what, then there's something needs to

6 be done with that.

7 And the other thing is this, your

8 solicitor can have any opinion he wants, but

9 those subpoenas should be broad based as

10 possible. All that information should come

11 at one time. We've listened to everybody's

12 opinion. I'm sure that the solicitor in

13 Erie --

14 MR. MINORA: Three minutes.

15 MR. MORGAN: -- said to pass that

16 smoking ban, ad a judge said it wasn't

17 correct.

18 And I think that if you stop

19 worrying about what your solicitor tells you

20 and start telling him what you want him to

21 do --

22 MR. COURTRIGHT: Thank you, Mr.

23 Morgan.

24 MR. MORGAN: -- maybe you will get

25 somewhere. Thank you.
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1 MR. COURTRIGHT: Thank you, Mr.

2 Morgan. Brett McCloe.

3 MR. MCCLOE: Good evening. Last

4 Thursday I asked questions pertaining to

5 legality and the lack of insight regarding

6 the smoking ban.

7 It seems the very next day my

8 questions, although not unique, were

9 validated by a judge's ruling in Erie,

10 Pennsylvania.

11 It seems that others have warned

12 this Council far in advance of the decision

13 to pass the smoking ban.

14 It would seem in an effort to pass

15 an ordinance, that previous existing laws

16 were broken, disregarded or ignored.

17 The financial consequences of this

18 Council's reckless abuse of power has been

19 noted time and time and again. It seems

20 that perceptions of the job regarding the

21 job of being a waiter made it easier for you

22 to pass this smoking ban.

23 The bottom line is, we don't matter.

24 Oh, the phrase, Oh, well, why don't you go

25 to college or the ever so popular --
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1 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: It was never

2 said.

3 MR. MCCLOE: It's not about you.

4 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: But it was

5 never said.

6 MR. MCCLOE: Regardless.

7 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Okay.

8 MR. MCCLOE: We get it every day.

9 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Okay. Well, it

10 wasn't said by me.

11 MR. MCCLOE: Okay. But I'm saying,

12 even if you weren't here, we get this every

13 day. We get the, is this your real job, we

14 get the, relax, you'll get over it.

15 It's a slap in the face to those who

16 serve your food. It stinks of hypocrisy,

17 fascism and the economic bigotry of class

18 warfare. We are your servers, we are not

19 your servants.

20 We do what we do because there's

21 something inside of each us that compels us

22 to cater to the human condition. We do not

23 exist to fulfill anyone's sadistic need to

24 control.

25 We exist to serve and to somehow
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1 have you leave in a better condition than

2 when you came in.

3 We are not the problem. Do not

4 penalize, berate or chastise waiters because

5 of yourself self-imposed, self-inflicted

6 inability to make healthier choices when you

7 go out -- when you go out to dine. Don't

8 bite the hand that literally feeds you.

9 I challenge this Council or anyone

10 who is for this ban to put their money where

11 their mouth is.

12 I challenge you to donate 30 percent

13 of your incomes to the public good, as we

14 have by law, I challenge you to show your

15 concern for the well-being of the public

16 with that donation, I challenge you to show

17 leadership and solidarity with those who

18 have suffered the loss of income due to the

19 smoking ban.

20 MR. MINORA: Three minutes.

21 MR. MCCLOE: The people are

22 watching.

23 MR. COURTRIGHT: David Dodson.

24 MR. DODSON: Good evening, Council.

25 Dave Dodson, resident of Scranton. I'd like
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1 to reiterate on my discussion about bus

2 routes, one Council member didn't hear it

3 due to sickness.

4 On snow issues, bus routes should be

5 given heavy priority for clearing.

6 Wintermantle bus finally, I think Monday,

7 started running a route, and that's a tax

8 subsidized entity, and a lot of people

9 depend on it for transportation, and it

10 would be a good alternative for somebody

11 that didn't want to take their car downtown

12 and get stuck. You can walk a block and hop

13 a bus and get to work or whatever, and

14 perhaps not spend $8.00 parking your car

15 anyway.

16 I'd also like to express, I'd like

17 to see some support for lower Green Ridge.

18 Mr. McGoff, I think he really said something

19 right a few weeks ago, let's pass an

20 ordinance to fund the siren and let them

21 deal with it, and I think that was

22 definitely in the right direction.

23 Free swimming, I'd like to support

24 that or see some support for that, express

25 my support for it.
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1 Definitely if you're going to

2 complain about kids -- I moved out of

3 Scranton in 1976 and returned in 2002, and

4 part of it was the way that people -- it

5 seemed like people had all day and night to

6 come out and argue with you about parking

7 across their driveway at three in the

8 morning to give your girlfriend a smooch and

9 hop out of the car, and as far as the

10 benefits were concerned, I didn't see any.

11 So, for 30 years, I lived out of town.

12 I had the opportunity to move back,

13 and I found that there are some pluses for

14 it, and I really felt that that was the

15 right move, and hopefully it will continue

16 that way. I'm not a total malcontent of any

17 type.

18 And I'd also like to express

19 congratulations for working with Buona Pizza

20 a little closer. I think it's very

21 important that we continue with businesses

22 that are established in the town instead of

23 encouraging outsiders to come in and put in

24 a big splash and take us over the coals for

25 a couple million dollars on taxes and KOZs
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1 or whatever.

2 And for the last smoking ban, I'd

3 like to see a possibility of --

4 MR. MINORA: Three minutes.

5 MR. DODSON: -- bars that offer

6 entertainment, to possibly be able to permit

7 smoking after ten o'clock, even if they

8 serve food. It would be a big boost for

9 local musicians, which I'm one of them, and

10 hopefully it could be given some kind of

11 consideration. So, thank you.

12 MR. COURTRIGHT: Thank you. Jane

13 Ward.

14 MS. WARD: Hi, Jane Ward, taxpayer,

15 citizen. I'm a little bit nervous. I need

16 to know who owns Hope Place off of Meridian

17 Avenue by Little People's Daycare.

18 MR. COURTRIGHT: What's the name of

19 it?

20 MS. WARD: Hope Place.

21 MR. COURTRIGHT: Hope Place?

22 MS. WARD: Hope Place.

23 MR. COURTRIGHT: Is that a street or

24 is that a business?

25 MS. WARD: It's a street. You know
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1 where Little People's Daycare is on

2 Meridian?

3 MR. COURTRIGHT: Where the new

4 houses?

5 MS. WARD: Yeah. Who owns that?

6 MR. COURTRIGHT: I think it's a city

7 road.

8 MS. WARD: I mean, two days after

9 the storm it wasn't even plowed. For some

10 reason I was up on Eynon Street, and from

11 the 700 block to the 900 block, it was

12 completely cleared. I couldn't figure that

13 out.

14 MR. COURTRIGHT: There's a lot of

15 streets in two days after the storm weren't

16 plowed. There's a lot of streets ten days

17 after the storm weren't plowed.

18 MS. WARD: I mean, Eynon Street was

19 perfect the next day. I couldn't figure

20 that one out.

21 So, in the meantime, I'm coming

22 over, you know where the South Side Complex

23 is?

24 MR. COURTRIGHT: Yes.

25 MS. WARD: Okay. The bridge right
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1 there.

2 MR. COURTRIGHT: Yes.

3 MS. WARD: There was a snow plow

4 there by the name of Digit, I don't know who

5 it is, Dig It, is it Dig It, I don't know,

6 throwing the snow in the river. Is that

7 normal or --

8 MR. COURTRIGHT: I don't think

9 they're allowed to put the snow in the

10 river, no.

11 MS. WARD: Well, March 1 at 7:45

12 a.m.

13 MR. COURTRIGHT: What was the name

14 of the company?

15 MS. WARD: Digit.

16 MR. HUBBARD: Dig It. It's a

17 landscape company.

18 MR. COURTRIGHT: Maybe we -- Mrs.

19 Garvey, can we ask Mr. Parker if we hired

20 that company?

21 MS. WARD: And about, let me see,

22 about the ban on smoking, my opinion is, why

23 worry about that right now when you should

24 pay these firemen and these police officers?

25 And did you ever hear of Aventi
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1 Cigar?

2 MR. COURTRIGHT: Yes.

3 MS. WARD: Paroby Cigar?

4 MR. COURTRIGHT: Yes.

5 MS. WARD: What is it?

6 MR. COURTRIGHT: It's right on Main

7 Avenue.

8 MS. WARD: Yeah, and what do they --

9 it's a tobacco place, right?

10 MR. COURTRIGHT: Pardon?

11 MS. WARD: It's a tobacco place?

12 MR. COURTRIGHT: Yes, cigar.

13 MS. WARD: That's what I do for a

14 living. It pays my bills. And I don't need

15 somebody to take it away because they want

16 to ban everything.

17 And if anybody wants to have a nice

18 cigarette and a cup of coffee, go to Terry's

19 Diner in Moosic. You could have a coffee

20 and a cigarette and enjoy it, for people

21 that do smoke. It goes both ways,

22 non-smokers and smokers. And I'm a smoker,

23 and I deal with tobacco every day. Thanks.

24 MR. COURTRIGHT: Thank you. Dan

25 Hubbard.
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1 MR. COURTRIGHT: Dan Hubbard.

2 MR. HUBBARD: Good evening, Council.

3 Well, I wish Mrs. Gatelli was here, but

4 she's not, and we're going to proceed anyway

5 regardless of whether she's here or not.

6 After watching the replay of Council

7 last weekend, and I was speaking with Ms.

8 Gatelli from under the mezzanine about the

9 tax rebate given to flood victims, well, the

10 operators here at Channel 61 upped the audio

11 sensitivity on the microphone so they were

12 clearly able to hear what I was saying from

13 the back of the room. In the same process,

14 the microphones were all turned up,

15 including Mrs. Gatelli's, which not turned

16 off.

17 I couldn't believe what she said. I

18 made several calls, several other people

19 heard it, so I also called Channel 61, and

20 they were gracious enough to allow me to

21 come down to the control room and listen to

22 the first quality recording with headphones

23 on.

24 Ms. Gatelli cupped her microphone

25 when I was done speaking and looks to Mr.
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1 Courtright and said, They're not ever going

2 to raise it. Now, if you remember last week

3 I spoke specifically about raising the

4 riverbank for my full three minutes.

5 She said, They're not ever going to

6 raise it. Mr. Courtright said, You don't

7 think so? Mrs. Gatelli said, Uh-uh. Didn't

8 get the letter in your mailbox? Mr.

9 Courtright said, No. From who? Judy said,

10 From somebody. She's not sure.

11 Now, that leads me to believe that

12 this letter was issued to either all of you

13 or Ms. Gatelli personally, and it was issued

14 not recently, let me finish, it was issued

15 not recently, because she didn't remember

16 who sent the letter.

17 I'm not making this up. It is on

18 their copy of the audio from last week's

19 meeting.

20 Now, I want this letter. And it she

21 was the only one to receive it, I don't

22 care. I want it. I want to know who wrote

23 it, when it was received and who sent it to

24 Mrs. Gatelli.

25 Now, WNEP and The Scranton Times
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1 were notified of this letter in full. Today

2 WNEP, yesterday The Scranton Times. They

3 were both going to call Mrs. Gatelli to

4 verify this letter, and now she's

5 conveniently not here tonight, when she was

6 called today to verify the existence of this

7 letter. She doesn't show tonight. And from

8 what I understand, she didn't call in

9 either.

10 Now, when is this Council, and if

11 you all are completely on record saying you

12 are unaware of this letter, when do you feel

13 something should be done? How long do you

14 think the residents of lower Green Ridge

15 should have to deal with this flooding?

16 MS. EVANS: Are you talking about

17 building up the dirt?

18 MR. HUBBARD: Yes. I'm talking

19 about --

20 MS. EVANS: That should have been

21 done long ago, because --

22 MR. HUBBARD: -- a temporary -- one

23 second. Just let me finish my three

24 minutes, I'd appreciate it.

25 MR. COURTRIGHT: Yeah. We'll
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1 comment after you're done.

2 MR. HUBBARD: We're sticklers for

3 that time.

4 MR. COURTRIGHT: Okay.

5 MR. HUBBARD: When was Council going

6 to let us know that we were not going to

7 receive, or when was Judy, who tells me

8 every week to keep going, keep trying,

9 honey, keep going for it, when was she going

10 to tell me that we were not going to receive

11 any of the help we were promised?

12 We were promised temporary flood

13 protection. Now, in my mind, that means

14 fixing the existing riverbank. Secondly --

15 MR. MINORA: Three minutes.

16 MR. HUBBARD: -- the city and this

17 Council have been displaying an act of gross

18 negligence in regard to the property and

19 residents, and the protection of that

20 property and the residents in lower Green

21 Ridge.

22 I want the answers to the questions

23 by next week, I want this letter by next

24 week, and I want to know when we can receive

25 temporary flood protection.
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1 MR. COURTRIGHT: Mr. Hubbard, let me

2 just say this, before I went out of town, I

3 asked Mrs. Garvey and the staff of our

4 office to look for a letter. They cannot

5 find a letter.

6 I believe we looked in Mr. Parker's

7 file, Mr. Hayes' file, other places, OECD

8 maybe, but we can't find the letter, so I'm

9 going to ask, and I was gone all week, so

10 we're going to have to ask Mrs. Gatelli

11 about the letter.

12 MR. HUBBARD: This is falling under

13 willful negligence. The city understands

14 what's going to happen when it rains.

15 They're fully aware of what will happen to

16 this neighborhood. That is willful

17 negligence.

18 And if I do not have the answers to

19 these questions, and this letter, we will be

20 obtaining legal counsel and seeking action

21 against the city and City Council, in full,

22 all members, if we get flooded again.

23 MR. COURTRIGHT: After you step

24 away, Mrs. Evans wants to speak.

25 MS. EVANS: Mr. Hubbard, I do
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1 believe that the dirt can be used to build

2 up the banks along the river. I'm sure you

3 remember it was done in the fall when there

4 was a forecast of very strong rainfall that

5 could have caused flooding.

6 The banks were built up along the

7 Scranton Lace.

8 MR. HUBBARD: For a small section,

9 about 100 yards.

10 MS. EVANS: Right, but that was the

11 first time, I believe, that since I've been

12 on Council, that the DPW did so, and they

13 did so at my request, but --

14 MR. HUBBARD: That's -- at the time,

15 that's the only thing that has been done.

16 MS. EVANS: Yes. So, what I'm

17 saying is, when that was done, that would

18 seem to provide evidence that this can be

19 done and, so, Mrs. Fanucci and I were

20 discussing this situation coincidentally

21 before you even came to the podium about

22 building the dirt up on the riverbanks for

23 you, because Mrs. Fanucci had said with the

24 warm weather coming this week, that, you

25 know, there's obviously going to be a great
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1 deal of melting occurring, et cetera,

2 putting you at risk once again.

3 And so, I'll make a motion that City

4 Council send a letter to George Parker

5 directing him to -- well, perhaps not

6 directing him, requesting him, I know only

7 the mayor directs him, all the department

8 heads have made that crystal clear to me,

9 requesting that those banks be built up

10 using the dirt that has sat in that area now

11 for longer than my memory serves me.

12 MR. HUBBARD: There was ten feet of

13 water surrounding that pile of dirt last

14 summer.

15 MS. EVANS: Yes. And that that be

16 done immediately.

17 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Second.

18 MR. HUBBARD: Appreciate that.

19 MR. COURTRIGHT: On the question?

20 All those in favor.

21 MS. EVANS: Aye.

22 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Aye.

23 MR. MCGOFF: Aye.

24 MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye. Four-nothing,

25 motion passes. Marie Shumaker.
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1 MS. SHUMAKER: Marie Shumaker. I'm

2 disappointed that Mrs. Gatelli is not here,

3 because I've been waiting a whole week to

4 respond to her final guidance to those of us

5 who come here week after week trying to

6 obtain answers, so I will hold that for next

7 week, and hopefully she'll be back.

8 So, I'll bring up a couple of old

9 things. Again, this conservancy that the

10 city has established, earlier I brought this

11 up because the mayor was quoted as saying,

12 and I could bring these, if anybody needs to

13 see them, that there was a parks

14 conservancy, and I questioned whether there

15 was truly a parks conservancy or whether it

16 was Nay Aug conservancy, and this week there

17 was an article in the monopoly newspaper

18 saying, New Nay Aug, and down in that

19 article it said that Mr. Doherty said that

20 he has established a Nay Aug conservancy to

21 continue his legacy after he's gone.

22 Now, I would like to know, is this

23 conservancy for the parks or is it solely

24 for Nay Aug?

25 Also, I would like to know if
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1 anybody bothered to get the information I

2 requested last week on the health inspector.

3 Is it true that our health inspector went to

4 that Waffle House to check on the blood

5 situation and then did not have time to go

6 home and change and shower, but went to open

7 several restaurants after having been at The

8 Waffle House?

9 MR. COURTRIGHT: I do not have that

10 answer. I don't know if anybody else on

11 Council did.

12 MS. SHUMAKER: Could somebody please

13 get that? I think that would be highly

14 inappropriate.

15 MR. COURTRIGHT: I think Mrs.

16 Gatelli was looking into, but she's not

17 here.

18 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Where did you

19 get that information in the first place,

20 because that is not information we've been

21 privy to, so I was wondering how you found

22 that out. I never heard that before.

23 MS. SHUMAKER: I said it last week.

24 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: No, I know

25 after you said it, but before that, I've n
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1 ever heard that.

2 MS. SHUMAKER: I heard it from a

3 friend, and I would like to -- like that

4 verified, because I think that would be

5 highly --

6 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: We can probably

7 call Patti, right? We can probably call

8 Patti and find out. I'm sure you --

9 MS. SHUMAKER: Well, I would

10 definitely like to know, and I would like to

11 know if the city condones that.

12 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Actually it

13 would have been her. It would have been

14 Patti who went out and did this.

15 MS. SHUMAKER: I guess she's our

16 only -- that was the other question.

17 MR. COURTRIGHT: She's pretty

18 contentious.

19 MS. SHUMAKER: She's our only health

20 -- point of order. I have the floor. I

21 only have three minutes.

22 MR. COURTRIGHT: I'm sorry. All

23 right. Go ahead.

24 MS. SHUMAKER: I, again, would like

25 to know why Wilkes-Barre has three health
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1 inspectors and Scranton only has one, when

2 Scranton has 25 percent more restaurants,

3 twice as many skilled nursing and nursing

4 homes requiring inspection, in addition to

5 the whole other things that have to be done

6 by a health inspector.

7 And if our health inspector is going

8 to be going from God knows cockroach

9 infested places, blood spatterings, into

10 restaurants, I'd like to know, because I'll

11 find places to eat outside the city.

12 Again, last week I reported that the

13 light timing project has gone -- has again

14 been delayed.

15 MR. MINORA: Three minutes.

16 MS. SHUMAKER: I'll be back next

17 week.

18 MR. COURTRIGHT: Is there anyone

19 else?

20 MR. UNGVARSKY: Good evening, City

21 Council. My name is Tom Ungvarsky. I have

22 a Legion of Doom shirt. It costs less than

23 half the cost of the shirt I'm wearing

24 tonight. I don't think anybody should be

25 ridiculed for wearing a shirt to City
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1 Council.

2 This past Tuesday, I called the

3 refuse department and the recycling

4 department, and I got no replies, couldn't

5 even talk to a person there.

6 On Wednesday, I called both of them

7 twice, but on Wednesday I left messages them

8 to call me back. Neither one of them called

9 me back. That was four phone calls.

10 Today I did the same thing. I

11 called the both of them twice, left messages

12 and my phone number each time. I got no

13 reply.

14 Maybe City Council can tell me why

15 we can't get through to someone to speak to

16 when we have a problem there? Anyone?

17 MR. COURTRIGHT: I don't know. I

18 have no answer for that. Does anybody have

19 an answer?

20 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: That's actually

21 a problem we've all had. In fact, we did a

22 motion that actually they had to pick up the

23 phone and answer the phone, and they still

24 haven't been doing that, so I don't know

25 what to tell you.
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1 MR. UNGVARSKY: Fortunately it was

2 not an emergency, but just some information

3 I needed about the refuse can that the mayor

4 talked about. Does anyone on City Council

5 know about them?

6 MS. EVANS: No.

7 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: No.

8 MR. UNGVARSKY: These are the blue

9 recycling cans.

10 MR. COURTRIGHT: I know they don't

11 have any available, I can tell you that

12 much. That's all I know.

13 MR. UNGVARSKY: I thought the mayor

14 said they were getting 1800 of them.

15 MS. EVANS: When?

16 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: I don't know.

17 MS. UNGVARSKY: I think in his State

18 of the City Speech he mentioned it.

19 MR. COURTRIGHT: I missed that.

20 MS. EVANS: Well, I did request that

21 information tonight from Mr. Parker, what

22 date we can expect the recycling cans, only

23 because I've received so many complaints

24 from city residents that want to recycle but

25 can't for lack of a can.
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1 MR. UNGVARSKY: I thank you.

2 MR. COURTRIGHT: Thank you. Anyone

3 else?

4 MS. HUBBARD: Elizabeth Hubbard,

5 Scranton resident. I just have a

6 suggestion, if that's the word I want. I

7 think that you should go back to the

8 five-minute speaking time, because people

9 that come up here and have something to say

10 and a problem that needs help with, I don't

11 think three minutes is enough time to cover

12 most of what people have to say.

13 So, the five minutes seem to work

14 pretty well before. And since you don't

15 have anything on the agenda, there's no

16 citizens participation on the agenda portion

17 of the meeting, so I think you should go

18 back to the five minutes. That's all.

19 Thanks.

20 MR. COURTRIGHT: Thank you.

21 MR. GERVASI: Good evening, City

22 Council. My name is Dave Gervasi, I'm a

23 city resident. I -- Mrs. Fanucci, I usually

24 don't comment on your comments, even though

25 sometimes I snicker back there, because some
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1 of the things you say are fantasy, I would

2 say, or rhetoric from the Doherty

3 Administration, but tonight I believe you

4 used the word unbelievable, I think tonight

5 -- I think it's unbelievable.

6 And when I look back at debates with

7 prior Councils, especially during the

8 referendum, that were much more heated than

9 this Council has ever seen, and people that

10 I thought were rubber stampers and, well, it

11 seemed to be they were, I mean, heat debates

12 with more and more people coming up here,

13 and no one, none of them, ever insulted

14 anybody, calling a group of citizens,

15 taxpaying citizens, concerned citizens that

16 come here, and relate them to the Jerry

17 Springer Show.

18 You know, you made another comment

19 about The Legion of Doom shirts. I don't

20 know if you realize this, I don't know if

21 you think they're just trying to pick on

22 this City Council.

23 The reason why they're wearing those

24 shirts is because we have a one-newspaper

25 town, who obviously, to everyone, is in bed
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1 with our government, and you can't even get

2 real live information, just like Mrs. Evans

3 can't get real live information off this

4 administration.

5 And these people have been called

6 hijackers, malcontents, clowns, jerks,

7 terrorists insurgents, that's why they wore

8 that, because The Legion of Doom, they

9 figured it might make a nice looking shirt,

10 I think that's why Mr. Jackowitz did that.

11 That's a shot not at you, that's a

12 shot at the newspaper, our one newspaper

13 town.

14 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: I wasn't

15 offended by the shirt as if it was against

16 me. My thought was that they shouldn't --

17 what I was saying was, instead of spending

18 $6 on a shirt, that's six kids that could

19 have swam for free. That's what I was

20 saying.

21 MR. GERVASI: I'm glad you mentioned

22 the swimming free, because I think if

23 someone -- there's a difference here. These

24 people spending $6 on a shirt is their own

25 money, okay? The administration that you
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1 support so wholeheartedly is spending our

2 money.

3 And maybe if the administration

4 didn't screw up on the American Anglican --

5 American Water Company arbitration for $5

6 million or spend a million dollars on all

7 losing battles with the unions, and I just

8 jotted a few things down there before, it

9 comes to $12 million.

10 If your administration that you

11 support all the time, and obviously Mr.

12 McGoff does, too, didn't lose that $12

13 million, just off the top of my head in five

14 minutes, are kids could swim for the next

15 400 years for the amount of money that the

16 city brings in.

17 So, maybe you should not worry about

18 people spending their own personal money on

19 $6 on T-shirts, maybe you should worry about

20 what your administration is doing, not

21 giving raises for six years to people, while

22 they're giving raises to cronies, spending

23 $2.9 million on new hires. For what? We

24 never had those people here before. And

25 they want to knock off 38 firefighters.
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1 Maybe you should worry about the

2 money that your administration, it's not my

3 administration, it's your administration --

4 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: It's the city's

5 administration. It's the city's, and it's

6 yours. It's yours, also.

7 MR. GERVASI: Well, I happen to be

8 the other 49 percent that didn't vote for

9 them, okay?

10 MR. MINORA: Three minutes.

11 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: And our kids

12 can swim for 400 years with just the money

13 he wasted or deliberately wasted. Thank

14 you.

15 MR. COURTRIGHT: Thank you. Is

16 there anyone else?

17 MS. KRAKE: My name is Nancy Krake.

18 I don't know if Mr. McGoff realizes, but

19 there are many people's families who would

20 have starved if it wasn't for the alphabet

21 programs, particularly the WPA in this area.

22 I'm sorry you feel that that wasn't a

23 worthwhile program. Mrs. Fanucci --

24 MR. MCGOFF: I didn't say that.

25 MS. KRAKE: Oh, I'm sorry. What did
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1 you say? Do you recall?

2 MR. MCGOFF: Yes.

3 MS. KRAKE: Would you like to repeat

4 that?

5 MR. MCGOFF: I said that I didn't

6 think that it was a good analogy for Mrs.

7 Evans to make.

8 MS. KRAKE: No, that wasn't all that

9 you said. I'm sorry. You said a lot before

10 that.

11 MR. MCGOFF: I know.

12 MS. KRAKE: Oh, would you like to

13 repeat that?

14 MR. MCGOFF: That was the input of

15 it.

16 MS. KRAKE: No. You made a comment

17 --

18 MR. MCGOFF: I never said that the

19 programs weren't worthwhile, I just said

20 that I didn't think that the analogy she was

21 making was --

22 MS. KRAKE: I'm sorry. You didn't

23 just say that. I'm sorry to disagree with

24 you, but you didn't. We'll have it in the

25 minutes next week, I'm sure.
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1 Mrs. Fanucci, I certainly hope you

2 keep speaking. Tell us exactly how you

3 feel, because you reveal your true feelings

4 for each and every one of us, so please

5 don't stop.

6 And, in fact, you did make a

7 brilliant move with the smoking ban, because

8 it took the focus off of the tax increase

9 and the budget that Mrs. Evans and Mr.

10 Courtright painstakingly worked on so there

11 would not be a tax increase.

12 There were many, many options that

13 could have been explored in that budget, but

14 instead you chose to do exactly what the

15 mayor wanted you to do, you and Mr. McGoff

16 and Mrs. Gatelli, who, by the way, told us

17 she would never do what anybody else said,

18 she would simply do what she thought was

19 right.

20 Well, you can take that a couple

21 ways. Apparently she thinks it's right to

22 burden the taxpayers with another

23 25 percent, and to continue to vote with the

24 mayor so that over the next three years, we

25 he will be doubling our taxes.
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1 She also told us she wouldn't vote

2 for anyone that would be running. Well, she

3 voted for Mr. McGoff, who is obviously

4 running. So, I don't think Mrs. Gatelli can

5 be trusted. Well, obviously she can be

6 trusted to do what the mayor wants her to

7 do, so I'd like to say that that is

8 something we can always count on from Mrs.

9 Fanucci, Mrs. Gatelli and Mrs. McGoff.

10 This administration, I found out

11 today, the $10 million that they borrowed,

12 $2.25 of that million will be used in 2008.

13 That's incredible to me, how that was

14 allowed to go through.

15 I hope you're losing sleep over

16 that. That, by the way, is just about what

17 the tax increase is for the real estate tax.

18 Oh, and I would also like to say so

19 people can avoid the 25 percent of NCC,

20 which was also brought home by this

21 administration and the Pennsylvania Economy

22 League, that you can pay your taxes. You

23 have 23 more days to pay them in the city

24 treasurer's office.

25 MR. MINORA: Three minutes.
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1 MS. KRAKE: I really hope that

2 people can make it in. Thank you.

3 MR. COURTRIGHT: Thank you.

4 MR. SLEDZINSKI: Hi, Bill.

5 MR. COURTRIGHT: Hi, Chris.

6 MR. SLEDZINSKI: Up or down, Bill?

7 MR. COURTRIGHT: Bring it up, Chris.

8 MR. SLEDZINSKI: Janet, welcome

9 back. I missed you all week. I know you

10 were sick, but I still thought about you.

11 MR. SLEDZINSKI: I know.

12 MS. EVANS: Welcome back, Chris.

13 MR. SLEDZINSKI: Thank you, Chris.

14 I missed you more, and thank you so much for

15 that nice little man that you gave me. I

16 liked that.

17 MR. SLEDZINSKI: You're welcome.

18 MR. COURTRIGHT: Nelson.

19 MR. ANCHERANI: Nelson Ancherani,

20 resident, taxpayer, city employee, financial

21 secretary of the FOP, again, First Amendment

22 rights.

23 Mrs. Fanucci, I'm going to go about

24 the T-shirts. Mine didn't cost me $300

25 million. I paid $12, because I bought two.
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1 Mine also, like I said, didn't cost me

2 $24,500,000 in tax anticipation notes, it

3 didn't cost me a 25 percent tax increase

4 with two more coming.

5 Mr. Courtright, you said how can we

6 look forward? But I'm going to say, how can

7 we look forward if we're sinking $300

8 million in debt?

9 If the Titanic captain was able to

10 look forward, they wouldn't have sunk, they

11 would have seen that iceberg.

12 Anyway, Mrs. Gatelli, Mrs. Gatelli

13 isn't here, a lot of this was going to be

14 directed for her.

15 After I left the podium last week,

16 she commented about the raising of our city

17 taxes 25 percent and that she will never

18 vote to raise our taxes again. She also

19 stated that it was only the second tax

20 increase in the city in the last 17 years.

21 Well, Connors was the last mayor to

22 raise taxes in his 12-year term, but it was

23 nowhere near 25 percent, as was this tax

24 increase voted for by Mrs. Fanucci, Mrs.

25 Gatelli, and Mr. McGoff.
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1 Connors, when he left office, he

2 left us with a $3 million surplus, no

3 deficit. We have a $300 million long-term

4 debt and deficits every year. We have

5 record budgets, and added to borrowing over

6 the last five years, the total amount of

7 money available to spend in revenue by this

8 mayor again is $500 million. That's a half

9 a billion dollars.

10 For Mrs. Gatelli, it's ludicrous to

11 be in such debt. And for you, Ms. Fanucci,

12 Mr. McGoff, to borrow another $24,500,000

13 and still raise our taxes 25 percent,

14 ludicrous? It's shameful, because there was

15 an alternative to the borrowing and tax

16 increase.

17 There was a budget proposal by Ms.

18 Evans that would have eliminated the

19 borrowing and the tax increase. Look around

20 the room. All these mayors combined did not

21 have a $300 million debt, and I'm sure their

22 budgets all combined were not there.

23 We hear time after time from the

24 mayor and his cabinet, once the recovery

25 plan is implement, the city will realize
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1 savings, since the mayor will be able to

2 implement his plan, his management rights in

3 shift staffing schedules in order to save

4 money.

5 We're so far buried in debt, the $2

6 million per year that they're saying we will

7 save will take 150 years to pay off.

8 Interest will keep accruing, so it will be

9 many years longer than that. We'll all be

10 gone by then. We won't have to worry about

11 it.

12 Right from the git-go, the mayor

13 violated his Recovery Plan, the one he wrote

14 and the Pennsylvania Economy League gave its

15 blessing to. He violated it by giving

16 raises to favorite persons, cumulatively

17 over $10 million since he came into office.

18 MR. MINORA: Three minutes.

19 MR. ANCHERANI: Thank you.

20 MR. COURTRIGHT: Thank you, Nelson.

21 MR. CASEY: Hi, Paul Casey, South

22 Side. Mr. McGoff, Mr. Courtright, Mrs.

23 Fanucci, I appreciate your responding to my

24 E-mails. I still don't have a salt truck.

25 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: They didn't
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1 come up?

2 MR. CASEY: No.

3 MR. COURTRIGHT: Where is that?

4 MR. CASEY: South Side, the 1400,

5 1500 block of South Irving.

6 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: I called twice

7 on that today, and we were exchanging

8 E-mails today, and they still didn't come

9 up?

10 MR. CASEY: No.

11 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: All right.

12 MR. CASEY: It is a sheet of ice.

13 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Oh, my gosh,

14 it's awful. The pictures are terrible.

15 MR. CASEY: They're two odd streets

16 in the city. There's a lower level, which

17 covers the even side of the street, and then

18 there's an upper level.

19 We had a plow one time, and I'm sure

20 it was an accident, I'm sure whoever drove

21 up there got yelled at.

22 MR. COURTRIGHT: Is it every event?

23 Has it been going on?

24 MR. CASEY: Every year. We don't

25 get paved, we don't get plowed.
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1 Occasionally we get a pretreat, which helps

2 a lot, it really does.

3 I spent the entire five days of that

4 weekend shoveling, and it's kind of hard to

5 do. So, if, you know, the next storm, next

6 snowstorm we get, hopefully they're done

7 this year, but next year if we can get at

8 least some salt.

9 MR. COURTRIGHT: Kay, maybe we can

10 -- I know we've all been calling everything,

11 but maybe we can ask Mr. Parker for a

12 response in writing to why, not this event,

13 but any other event they don't seem to get a

14 plow truck up there.

15 MS. EVANS: There are quite a number

16 of streets in this city for which that's the

17 case, that I know through the years we've

18 received complaints on, but I did want to

19 apologize to you if you had Emailed me, I've

20 been having great difficulty with my

21 computer for quite a while now.

22 Obviously there's someone who

23 happens to be, I would say, quite adept at

24 computers, computer whiz, who is daily

25 toying with my E-mails, and at times sending
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1 me hundreds at one time of the same E-mail,

2 and so I do apologize, and to everyone who

3 has been writing to me. I have been having

4 this problem for quite a while now, and

5 there doesn't seem to be any recourse at

6 this point outside of, I guess, changing my

7 carrier, if you will, or perhaps getting a

8 new computer.

9 I don't even know if that can solve

10 it, but someone quite talented is running

11 amuck with my computer from outside my home

12 obviously.

13 MR. CASEY: So, I'd appreciate some

14 help. And in the spring, if we can get a

15 pave. I've been up there six years, my

16 grandparents owned the house before me.

17 It's probably been at least ten, 15, maybe

18 20 years since it's been paved. There is a

19 big dip.

20 MR. COURTRIGHT: I'm aware where

21 you're at, yeah.

22 MR. CASEY: And the 1400 block isn't

23 a whole lot better. It's probably worse.

24 MR. COURTRIGHT: We'll do the best

25 we could.
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1 MR. CASEY: The two blocks get

2 ignored every winter.

3 MR. MINORA: Three minutes.

4 MR. COURTRIGHT: All right. Sorry

5 about that.

6 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Sorry about

7 that.

8 MR. COURTRIGHT: Is there anyone

9 else?

10 MR. DUDEK: Bill --

11 MR. COURTRIGHT: No, no, no, no. I

12 can't let you come back up, Mike.

13 MR. DUDEK: I would ask for special

14 reasons, because of the motion that --

15 MR. COURTRIGHT: You're going to

16 have to hold up to next week, buddy. Let me

17 -- I forgot to do this two weeks ago, and I

18 forgot again this week.

19 Kay, I believe, maybe we need to

20 send this to both Mr. Parker and Mr. Hayes,

21 Hampton Street behind Willard School is a

22 two-way street, and some the people have

23 been asking if we can make it one way

24 heading east, because when they let out

25 school there, it's really jammed up and
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1 they're in fear that there's going to be a

2 problem with the children.

3 We couldn't do it on the other

4 street due to Gerrity's Market and that, but

5 if we can ask Mr. Parker and/or Mr. Hayes if

6 they can take a look at it and see if it

7 would be feasible to make that block of

8 Hampton Street behind Willard School a one

9 way.

10 MS. GARVEY: What block?

11 MR. COURTRIGHT: I don't know. It's

12 eleven maybe. I'm not sure. I'm sorry.

13 And one last thing before we

14 adjourn, I don't know what Mr. Morgan thinks

15 we do, but I spent a lot of time looking at

16 the budget, Mrs. Evans, Mr. McGoff and

17 myself sat in the back room, we went over

18 item for item on that budget, so I did spend

19 time on the budget.

20 And I got to be perfectly honest

21 with you, you can ask my wife, I spend more

22 time on city business than I do my own

23 business, than I do my family.

24 I'm here every single day getting my

25 E-mails and answering them, and I didn't
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2 just take exception to it.

3 I believe he said he doesn't know

4 what we're doing. It's a lot of work, and

5 I'm not complaining, but I put an awful lot

6 of time in, so I just wanted to make that

7 known. And with that said, I'll make a

8 motion to adjourn.

9 MS. EVANS: Second.

10 MR. COURTRIGHT: We're adjourned.

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