1 SCRANTON CITY COUNCIL
IN RE: FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 49, 2006 - AN ORDINANCE -
6 AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND OTHER APPROPRIATE OFFICIALS
OF THE CITY OF SCRANTON TO TAKE ALL NECESSARY ACTIONS
7 TO IMPLEMENT THE CONSOLIDATED SUBMISSION FOR COMMUNITY
PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT PROGRAMS TO BE FUNDED UNDER
8 THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT (CDBG) PROGRAM,
HOME INVESTMENT PARTNERSHIP (HOME) PROGRAM AND
9 EMERGENCY SHELTER GRANT (ESG) PROGRAM.
Thursday, October 5, 2006
17 5:30 p.m.
21 Scranton City Hall
340 North Washington Avenue
22 Scranton, Pennsylvania
Lisa M. Graff, RMR
25 Court Reporter
1 CITY OF SCRANTON COUNCIL:
3 MS. JUDY GATELLI, COUNCIL PRESIDENT
5 MR. WILLIAM COURTRIGHT, VICE-PRESIDENT
MS. JANET EVANS
MS. SHERRY NEALON FANUCCI
10 MR. ROBERT McTIERNAN
12 MR. AMIL MINORA, ESQUIRE, SOLICITOR
14 MS. KAY GARVEY, CITY CLERK
MR. NEIL COOLICAN, ASSISTANT CITY CLERK
1 MS. GATELLI: We'll now open the public
2 hearing. Roll call, Neil.
3 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Evans.
4 MS. EVANS: Here.
5 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Fanucci.
6 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Here.
7 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. McTiernan.
8 MR. MCTIERNAN: Here.
9 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. Courtright.
10 MR. COURTRIGHT: Here.
11 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Gatelli.
12 MS. GATELLI: Here.
13 The purpose of the public hearing is to
14 hear testimony and discuss the following:
15 FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 49, 2006 - AN ORDINANCE -
16 AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND OTHER APPROPRIATE OFFICIALS
17 OF THE CITY OF SCRANTON TO TAKE ALL NECESSARY ACTIONS
18 TO IMPLEMENT THE CONSOLIDATED SUBMISSION FOR COMMUNITY
19 PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT PROGRAMS TO BE FUNDED UNDER
20 THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT (CDBG) PROGRAM,
21 HOME INVESTMENT PARTNERSHIP (HOME) PROGRAM AND
22 EMERGENCY SHELTER GRANT (ESG) PROGRAM.
23 The first speaker is Andy Skrip.
24 MR. SKRIP: Good evening, ladies and
25 gentlemen. My name is Andy Skrip. I'm Vice President
1 of SLIBCO, the Scranton-Lackawanna Industrial Building
3 In case you're not familiar with
4 SLIBCO, we're the industrial development arm of the
5 Greater Scranton Chamber of Commerce. We've been in
6 business over 60 years, and over our 60 years, we have
7 developed a lot of buildings, real estate, as well as
8 parks in the City of Scranton, as well as Lackawanna
10 In our 60-year history, we built eight
11 buildings that total 1.2 million square feet. Half of
12 our buildings are within the City of Scranton.
13 As an example, the Metro Tech Center
14 where Diversified, the former Globe Store building, we
15 own that building. We lease it to Diversified.
16 The Scranton Enterprise Center where
17 the incubator building is, we own that building. Also,
18 a portion of the Bank of America building, half is in
19 the City of Scranton and our Chamber of Commerce
21 We also developed over the years 12
22 different parks, and some of them are in the City of
23 Scranton. The Stafford Avenue Business Park, which I
24 worked on with Mrs. Gatelli a few years ago, a portion
25 of the office park at Montage, a portion of the
1 Glenmaura Corporate Center, and a portion of the
2 Stauffer Industrial Park.
3 We feel there's a need for Class A
4 office sites within the City of Scranton and we would
5 like to do something about that.
6 If I may, I have some pictures that I
7 can share with you and renderings on an easel, as well
8 as I can share with the Council members. The same
9 pictures I'm going to show you.
10 I'm here to talk about the Mt. Pleasant
11 Corporate Center. The area that we're talking about is
12 the Scranton High School's located right here
13 (indicating), the Scranton Expressway coming down to
14 7th Avenue to Linden Street over in here (indicating.
15 This land is presently owned by the
16 Galderi Family, and this is where Keystone Building
17 Block is located. On the picture that you have in
18 front of you right here is the area where Keystone
19 Block has their manufacturing operations, and all this
20 land back here is vacant.
21 We call it the Mt. Pleasant Corporate
22 Center, because that's where the Mt. Pleasant breaker
23 used to be long ago. There was a breaker on this site.
24 We're looking at an area of 23 acres in
25 total. And once we put in the infrastructure, we'll
1 have about 20 acres for sale.
2 We're envisioning making highway
3 improvements at five different intersections. First of
4 all, there will be an entrance right at the existing
5 entrance of Keystone Building Block at the corner of
6 Linden and Seventh Avenue in front of Redner's and down
7 by the high school, the ramp going on the Scranton
9 We anticipate having about five
10 different lots available, five different sites, if you
11 will. This will be the main entrance over here
12 (indicating.) This is the corner of Linden and Seventh
13 Avenue, and in the future there will be a traffic light
14 and signals and turning lanes going into the park.
15 The back end of the park we will have
16 two major office buildings. And in the front will be
17 commercial developments, retail commercial, hopefully a
18 bank, a day care, sorts like that.
19 And when it's all said and done, I
20 pulled my map too far down, when it's all said and
21 done, you have in front of you two or three major
22 office buildings with retail commercial development out
24 We anticipate when this project is
25 fully developed, we will have created about a 1,000 new
1 jobs, about $27.6 million in new capital investment.
2 At this point we receive a BOS grant,
3 Business on Our Sites Grant, to do all the master
4 planning, engineering studies and infrastructure
6 I'm happy to say that the
7 infrastructure design is substantially completed, and
8 our permits and approvals have been submitted to the
9 City and Lackawanna County.
10 We would like to start construction
11 possibly early 2007, hopefully in the first quarter.
12 But with this project it's a total project cost of
13 about $4.3 million just to do the infrastructure. That
14 comes out to over $200,000 an acre in development
15 costs, plus your carry costs. It's a very expensive
17 We feel it's important, because this is
18 the gateway of the City of Scranton. We'll be getting
19 rid of an eyesore. The people at Keystone Building
20 Block bought Scranton Building Block and they're going
21 to relocate their facilities to Scranton Building
23 Without the OECD grant, this project is
24 not economically feasible. We need some grant dollars
25 to make it feasible.
1 Some of the targeted industries that
2 we're going to go after are the wall street
3 initiatives, which are financial services, back
4 offices, and medical related facilities.
5 As I mentioned, the total project costs
6 just for the infrastructure alone is $4.3 million. Of
7 that $4.3 million, we have to put in over a million
8 dollars worth of highway improvements at the five
9 intersections that I talked about.
10 The OECD funds that we're requesting
11 will be used primarily used for those highway
12 improvements near the school, so to satisfy the health
13 and safety issues near the school.
14 Your favorable consideration to this
15 request would be very much appreciated. I'm not sure
16 if it's appropriate to ask you if you have any
17 questions, but I will be glad to answer any questions
18 you may have.
19 MS. GATELLI: The only question I have
20 is, if we don't give you the full amount, will you be
21 able to use it the following year or do you need the
22 whole amount?
23 MR. SKRIP: We need it for this coming
24 year. We would like to start construction, as I
25 mentioned, from the first quarter, January and February
1 of 2007. Anything you could afford to give us would be
2 very much appreciated.
3 MS. GATELLI: Thank you .
4 MR. SKRIP: Mr. McTiernan.
5 MR. MCTIERNAN: It's a question I ought
6 to know the answer to, but I'll ask it anyway. KOZ,
8 MR. SKRIP: Good question. I forgot to
9 mention that. Out of the 23 acres, 17 acres are KOZ.
10 The KOZ property are the back end where the major
11 office buildings are located. The front end where the
12 commercial businesses like a bank or a day care can go
13 is not KOZ. And it's KOZ, not KOEZ.
14 MR. MCTIERNAN: Right. So, that asking
15 about projected completion time and occupancy, I think
16 KOZ is done 2010?
17 MR. SKRIP: That's correct, 12/31/2010.
18 MR. MCTIERNAN: So, we don't have a lot
19 of time to not see tax revenue.
20 MR. SKRIP: That's correct.
21 MR. MCTIERNAN: When do you proposes
22 there will be occupancy in the areas that are KOZ?
23 MR. SKRIP: I'm hoping if we're lucky a
24 year for now we can have the site ready for
25 construction of new buildings.
1 MR. MCTIERNAN: So, we'd be looking at
2 somewhere about two years of loss of tax revenues, but
3 we're not getting them now anyway.
4 MR. SKRIP: That's correct.
5 MR. MCTIERNAN: And I'm sure that
6 you've done the studies about prospective clients, do
7 we think we can fill that?
8 MR. SKRIP: Yes.
9 MR. MCTIERNAN: You wouldn't be doing
10 it if you didn't.
11 MR. SKRIP: We already have people
12 interested. It's amazing. This has been talked about
13 for two years. We already have people coming to us
14 saying, When is it going to be ready? What's the
15 price? We don't have that yet.
16 We're in the stage right now where the
17 infrastructure is designed, the permits and approvals
18 are in. Now we're in during the financing stage of it.
19 With the financing wrapped up hopefully November or
20 December this year, we can start early 2007.
21 MR. MCTIERNAN: And just a comment that
22 -- we've noticed that this has -- all the development
23 near the new high school was very beneficial to that
24 area, the foresight of the Scranton School Board, the
25 president past, to develop that site and build it has
1 created a large economic boom in that area. I don't
2 think it's complete. This may very well help. So,
3 that's just a positive comment on a project like that
4 coming into the city.
5 We've seen office developments in
6 Moosic, Dickson City, going up all around us, and
7 putting something here may be actually very beneficial.
8 And we've talked about increasing revenues, and this is
9 just the type of thing that can increase our tax base.
10 I know that in a course that I was in a
11 long time ago with the Chamber of Commerce, we talked
12 about very few areas of usable industrial park
13 facilities or acres of land, that we can do that
14 without raising buildings.
15 So, this fits the bill. And most of
16 the industrial parks are going up around us because we
17 don't have the room, the acreage. Is that still fairly
19 MR. SKRIP: I couldn't have said it
20 better. You're absolutely right.
21 MR. MCTIERNAN: So, this is one of the
22 remaining spots that's developable -- you can develop
23 as an industrial park or an office park.
24 MR. SKRIP: That's correct. And, in
25 fact, what this project is is an extension of Downtown
2 You have a good problem in the City of
3 Scranton, that is there's a lack of good Class A office
4 sites, as well as buildings.
5 We did the Scranton Enterprise Center,
6 and by the time we had the first building up and then
7 the expansion, the building is fully leased.
8 MR. MCTIERNAN: And it's probably
9 reasonable to say with the technology advances we see
10 in modern offices, to retrofit an existing building is
11 difficult compared to a brand new building.
12 MR. SKRIP: It is.
13 MR. MCTIERNAN: And just for -- we're
14 going to assume, since it's on the list, that it meets
15 all the criteria for CDBG money?
16 MR. SKRIP: Yes.
17 MR. MCTIERNAN: Could you just for our
18 edification, can you just talk about what SLIBCO
19 actually is and just a brief outline of your company,
20 besides the fact that you've built? Profit,
21 non-profit, that type of thing.
22 MR. SKRIP: SLIBCO is the industrial
23 development arm of the Greater Scranton Chamber of
24 Commerce. All the stock of SLIBCO is owned by the
25 Scranton Chamber of Commerce. We have our own board of
1 directors. We just met yesterday, and we have our own
2 budgets, and we have developed, as I mentioned, 12
3 different parks.
4 Our latest parks that we just developed
5 is the Jessup Small Business Center in the Valley View
6 Business Park, and we've developed land, and we also do
7 built to suit for companies.
8 Sometimes we take existing buildings,
9 like the Globe Store building and lease it to
10 Diversified, to building brand new buildings like
11 Prudential, JC Penney, the Bank of America building,
12 the Corning Building, General Dynamics building. We
13 own those buildings.
14 MR. MCTIERNAN: I just want to
15 reiterate for the record that SLIBCO is not a private
16 investment company, it's an arm of the Greater Scranton
17 Chamber of Commerce.
18 MR. SKRIP: It's a private non-profit
19 501C3 company -- private 1-C4 company, and we pay real
20 estate taxes and sales taxes.
21 MR. MCTIERNAN: Thank you. Anybody
23 MS. EVANS: Yes. You mentioned that
24 you would be making alterations to the roadways in five
25 areas, sites. My greatest interest currently would be
1 in the area of Scranton High School. Would you be able
2 to perhaps briefly outline for us exactly what
3 alterations will occur just in that one site?
4 MR. SKRIP: Over -- this is the main
5 entrance going into Scranton High School (indicating),
6 and at this on ramp going onto the Scranton Expressway,
7 we have to make highway improvements.
8 Right next to the new road where the
9 Scranton High School is building right now, we have to
10 make highway improvements. To tell you exactly are
11 they pork chops or turning lanes, Mrs. Evans, I don't
12 know that, but we do have to make improvements there in
13 accordance to PennDOT standards. That would be here
14 right here on the on ramp going onto the Scranton
16 MS. EVANS: Thank you.
17 MS. GATELLI: Okay.
18 MR. SKRIP: Anybody else? If not,
19 thank you for your time, and your favorable
20 consideration would be appreciated.
21 MS. GATELLI: Thank you, Mr. Skrip.
22 Is there anyone else for the public hearing that would
23 like to address Council? If not, I'll call this public
24 hearing adjourned. Thank you.
1 C E R T I F I C A T E
3 I hereby certify that the proceedings and
4 evidence are contained fully and accurately in the
5 notes taken by me on the hearing of the above cause and
6 that this copy is a correct transcript of the same
7 to the best of my ability.
LISA M. GRAFF, RMR
11 Official Court Reporter
1 SCRANTON CITY COUNCIL MEETING
6 Thursday, October 5, 2006
10 6:30 p.m.
14 Council Chambers
15 Scranton City Hall
16 340 North Washington Avenue
17 Scranton, Pennsylvania
24 Lisa M. Graff, RMR
25 Court Reporter
1 CITY OF SCRANTON COUNCIL:
3 MS. JUDY GATELLI, COUNCIL PRESIDENT
5 MR. WILLIAM COURTRIGHT, VICE-PRESIDENT
7 MS. JANET EVANS
9 MS. SHERRY NEALON FANUCCI
11 MR. ROBERT McTIERNAN
13 MR. AMIL MINORA, ESQUIRE, SOLICITOR
15 MS. KAY GARVEY, CITY CLERK
17 MR. NEIL COOLICAN, ASSISTANT CITY CLERK
1 MS. GATELLI: Okay. Please stand for
2 the Pledge Of Allegiance. Please remain standing for a
3 moment of reflection. Roll call.
4 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Evans.
5 MS. EVANS: Here.
6 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Fanucci.
7 MS. FANUCCI: Here.
8 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. McTiernan.
9 MR. MCTIERNAN: Here.
10 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. Courtright.
11 MR. COURTRIGHT: Here.
12 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Gatelli.
13 MS. GATELLI: Here. Mrs. Garvey.
14 MS. GARVEY: Third order. I have no
15 business in third order except for clerk's notes, a few
17 We received a response to Mrs. Evans'
18 letter to Brian Kozlanski of Stevens and Lee regarding
19 your questions about a reserve fund and payment
20 default. You asked if he knew of any city in
21 Pennsylvania --
22 MS. GATELLI: Excuse me. Could the
23 audience please be quiet? We can't hear. Thank you.
24 MS. GARVEY: Mrs. Evans asked if he
25 knew of any city in Pennsylvania that had defaulted on
1 a bond payment. His reply was, There has, in fact,
2 occurred a payment default on a Pennsylvania Municipal
3 transaction where the bond insurance policy had been
4 called upon to make a payment to the bond holders.
5 And regarding the reserve fund, he said
6 that the insurance company says whether or not they
7 require a reserve fund, and this commitment did not
8 require one. He also said this was pretty typical, and
9 it's unusual that they would require a reserve fund.
10 The second one was a response from
11 Mr. Brazil at Parks and Rec regarding the Schmidt
12 plaque. He said he would have liked to have been able
13 to supply you with the whereabouts of the plaque, but
14 he does not know where it is and he is not even
15 familiar with its appearance, and that it was his
16 understanding that it has been missing prior to the
17 previous director of Parks and rec, Mr. Scopelliti,
18 taking office.
19 Third, the $60,000 transfer that's on
20 tonight's agenda, several of you have asked for more
21 information regarding what that exactly was for, and I
22 hope I have gotten this correctly. I asked him to
23 respond in an E-mail to me, as well, so I could back it
25 Basically I think what he said was it
1 was to replenish the department's professional service
2 account to pay for legal services for several attorneys
3 to get through to the end of the year and possibly into
4 next year.
5 Some of the attorneys mentioned were,
6 some of you asked for names, Attorney Tom Helbig,
7 mostly for, like, slip and fall cases, is what he
8 explained, attorneys from Marshall Dennehey, They are
9 hired through insurance companies and deductibles, also
10 the firm of Dougherty, Leventhal and Price, Attorney
11 Joe O'Brien of Oliver, Price and Rhodes, as well as
12 Attorney Dick Goldberg for labor matters.
13 And there were a few more responses
14 that came in late in the day that I just put in your
15 boxes, so they will be there for your review. That's
16 all I have.
17 MS. GATELLI: Thank you. The Hickory
18 Street Church Boy Scout Troop No. 16 is having their
19 spaghetti dinner on Saturday, October 14 from four to
20 seven. And by the way, Brian Kusick, who is
21 constructing the flag pole, is a member of that troop.
22 On Sunday is the Steamtown marathon.
23 They donate their money to St. Joe's, and the race will
24 finish at approximately ten or 10:30 in front of the
25 federal courthouse. So, as many people that can get
1 there as possible would certainly be appreciative.
2 I would like to apologize. Last week I
3 did not see in the back of the auditorium the community
4 development officer for West Side was also present.
5 Her name is Jill Foley, and she's the West Side beat
6 cop. She came to the meeting, but I didn't know she
7 was standing in the back. So, I'd like to apologize to
8 Jill for not introducing her and thanking her for
9 attending the meeting in her neighborhood.
10 I'd like to congratulate Mayor Wenzel.
11 I'm sure most of you have seen in this morning's paper
12 that he finished his book about the mayors of the City
13 of Scranton. So, I would like to congratulate Mayor
14 Wenzel. He will be on Channel 61 on October 25 with a
15 story about his book.
16 I just have one question. I know that
17 we've got a response from Ken McDowell, and I have it
18 here somewhere, but it's rather lengthy, but we did
19 receive an answer from him on the audit from Mr. Rossi.
20 I just have a few complaints. I'd like
21 to know the status of the catch basin at the corner of
22 Acker and West Locust, 617 Bates Street is having a
23 drainage problem, and the 100 block of North Bromley,
24 I'll give you the address later, Kay, because I don't
25 want to give the address over the air, there is a house
1 that's in very bad condition that we need to address.
2 Before we go on to the speakers, I feel
3 as though I have to answer, and I probably shouldn't
4 give them any credibility, but I'm going to answer The
5 Scranton Times and Commissioner Cordaro.
6 My father always taught me not to get
7 in a contest with a skunk, and I guess we shouldn't do
8 that, but I feel impelled -- compelled to answer.
9 He said that I was grandstanding, and,
10 in fact, at the CMC golf tournament at the Scranton
11 Country Club was where they announced that they were
12 giving $40,000 to the CMC's capital drive.
13 It's not the majority commissioners
14 that are giving the money, it's the taxpayers of
15 Lackawanna County, of which we are members of.
16 Obviously I support the trauma center
17 at the CMC. I am in the medical profession, and it's
18 certainly a necessity, but I also support the heart
19 center at the Mercy, the dialysis unit at the Moses
20 Taylor, and the rehab center at Allied, but it is not
21 up to the government to contribute to their campaign
22 drives, not to mention giving to one and not the other.
23 All I'm asking is for some level of
24 cooperation among the governmental units. The city is
25 asking the hospitals for contributions. The school
1 district years ago sued them, and the county is giving
2 them $40,000?
3 We're struggling because we provide the
4 services, we provide the police, we provide the fire
5 protection, we pave the streets, we pick up the leafs,
6 we fill the potholes.
7 The county has raised our taxes
8 48 percent in the last several years, and they gave
9 $500,000 to a man to make a movie, and thousands of
10 dollars to paint a mural on the highway, and that's our
11 money, too.
12 And the assessments that are reduced on
13 a monthly basis would blow your mind. We're doing a
14 reassessment countywide, and yet every month we're
15 reducing people's assessments, before the reassessment
16 even happens.
17 In my eyes, that's not fair. Wait
18 until the reassessment. But what they're doing is
19 trying to lower them, so that when the reassessment
20 comes and they're raised a little, it looks like they
21 were raised.
22 There's one person that had their
23 assessment lowered from $976,000 to $329,000. That
24 scares me.
25 And I received an answer today from AJ
1 Munchak saying it only costs $19 a citizen for us to
2 give this money to the CMC.
3 Well, there may be all those residents
4 in the county, but they all don't pay taxes. So, he's
5 counting all the residents.
6 It's our tax money, and we are
7 residents of Lackawanna County, and I think that we
8 should have a say in what the county is doing.
9 When they give money away for an art
10 project, you have to submit an application, like we did
11 tonight with the block grant money. You must submit an
12 application. We review it, and we decide who is going
13 to get the funds. No, it wasn't done there. They just
14 arbitrarily gave one hospital $40,000.
15 So, I will stick to how I feel and I
16 will continue to represent the citizens of Scranton,
17 and I think that we need to keep going after the
18 non-profits to help share the pain that we are all
19 suffering in the City of Scranton, and I will stick by
20 my person. Thank you.
21 MS. EVANS: Mrs. Gatelli, can I add
22 something to your remarks, please?
23 MS. GATELLI: Yes, you may.
24 MS. EVANS: I agree with Mrs. Gatelli.
25 It's certainly a worthy endeavor, and there are
1 numerous endeavors throughout the city that are equally
2 as worthy, but I do not believe that it stands within
3 the perimeters of county government to arbitrarily
4 award such funds to any one organization.
5 But what disturbs me even more is
6 contained in Mr. Munchak's letter. He says, as a
7 Scranton property owner, I would like to know how many
8 meetings has Council held with the various entities
9 since 2004 regarding this effort? How much has been
10 collected? I shutter to think that the answers to both
11 are none and none.
12 I would suggest to Mr. Munchak, my
13 honorable colleague of sorts, that these questions are
14 much better directed to the mayor of Scranton. The
15 leader of a city creates the debt, the leader of a city
16 solves the debt, and the leader of a city must be the
17 one to go out to the non-profits and demand that they
18 pay their fair share to enable the fine City of
19 Scranton to have a future. It does not lie within the
20 power of City Council to do so.
21 Again, I'm hoping he will send his
22 suggestions to the mayor and point out to him that
23 despite the fact that he promised that he would
24 negotiate payments in lieu of taxes with the city's
25 non-profits some four, five years ago, he has never
1 kept that promise.
2 How many meetings have there been?
3 None. How much money has been collected? Less than
4 under the Connors Administration. So, let's send the
5 ideas where they belong and where they can be enacted,
6 Mr. Munchak. Thank you.
7 MS. GATELLI: Anyone else? The first
8 speaker is Douglas Miller.
9 MR. MILLER: Good evening, Council.
10 Doug Miller. Last week our Council held our elections
11 for officers for the upcoming year. Doug Miller,
12 re-elected president, Katrina Organ from Bishop Hannon,
13 vice president, from Scranton High School, James
14 Piazza, who has been elected our secretary, Ian Miller
15 from Bishop Hannon was elected our treasurer.
16 Unfortunately Ian was able to attend tonight. He had a
17 prior commitment.
18 Moving along, I would also like to
19 announce to all students interested in the Scranton
20 School District that we do have three seats open for
21 the upcoming school year.
22 The information has been posted on each
23 of the two high schools in the district. The deadline
24 to receive the information is Wednesday, October 11.
25 So, we ask students to please get that information.
1 You are required to submit an essay.
2 Lastly tonight, last week a group of
3 students from West Scranton High School brought up an
4 issue regarding a smoking ban throughout the city. I'd
5 like to say that I think it's a good point. I think
6 it's something we seriously need to look into.
7 I know Council voted to look into
8 ordinances and such, but, you know, I hope we continue
9 to make progress with this and move forward. I really
10 think this is a serious matter, and I commend the kids
11 for being prepared, coming up and the factual
12 information they had. I'd also like to commend their
13 teachers, Mr. Murray and Mr. O'Herne, for preparing
14 these kids. And they put a good presentation together.
15 So, thank you and have a good night.
16 MS. GATELLI: Thank you. Next speaker
17 is Reverend Simmons.
18 MS. SIMMONS: Good evening, Council.
19 Good evening, Junior Council. My name is Reverend
20 Kathryn Simmons. I'm a long lifelong Scranton
22 I came tonight wearing several hats,
23 but it ended up today that I came wearing one, and it
24 is to answer a story that I saw in yesterday morning
1 This disturbed me greatly, and I'm very
2 glad that you addressed this issue this evening,
3 President Gatelli.
4 I don't know how much each of you know
5 about the CMC Trauma Center, but I want you to forget
6 about everything else tonight and just focus on the
7 trauma center.
8 The trauma center saves lives. I don't
9 care about anything else. The trauma center is where a
10 family member will go if there's an accident, and it's
11 where the trauma team will step in to save that life.
12 If we don't have a trauma unit in place, we have to go
13 to Geisinger or even further down the line.
14 I don't care about politics. This
15 politic playing, that's great, play it in the baseball
16 fields, in the running in the streets, don't play it in
17 the hospitals.
18 We can't afford to lose lives in
19 hospital hallways because one decides that they don't
20 want to give a donation to keep a unit alive that
21 should never have died out.
22 I don't want to lose one member of my
23 family because a donation wasn't given that should have
24 been given because somebody didn't like somebody else.
25 That isn't worth it.
1 I don't know if you've ever been to a
2 home where a family member has been told that their
3 family member has been lost in an accident, but I've
4 been there more than once. I don't ever want to have
5 to do that again.
6 I will do anything I have to do to make
7 sure that CMC Trauma stays alive and well. I hope you
8 do. I hope you set aside all of the disagreements that
9 you have with the commissioners, put that aside. Keep
10 this unit alive, for that may be your family member who
11 may need this unit next. It may be one of our children
12 who are laying there next.
13 Please, I'm asking you, don't let
14 politics be the next blood money that's yelled out for.
15 If they need money, give it to them. The unit would
16 not ask you for it, if they didn't need it. I know
17 this. I worked there. Thank you.
18 MS. GATELLI: Thank you. Les Spindler.
19 MS. EVANS: Mrs. Gatelli, can I just
20 inject for a moment?
21 MS. GATELLI: Yes, you may.
22 MS. EVANS: I don't believe, unless you
23 can correct me, that the CMC has requested any money
24 from the city. But beyond that, it really isn't, at
25 least for me, I'll only speak for myself, it is not a
1 political issue, because I count Mr. Cordaro and Mr.
2 Munchak among my friends, and I'm very -- personally
3 I'm thrilled that the Yankees are coming, but I do know
4 that when I go to the hospital, I have to pay for the
5 services through my insurance, as we all do.
6 People -- our insurance payments pay
7 that hospital and their mission for those who cannot
8 pay is to provide those services regardless, and it's
9 through our insurance monies that that is enabled.
10 So, I don't think anyone here, but,
11 again, I'll only speak for myself, I don't think anyone
12 here is suggesting that the trauma unit should close.
13 To the contrary, we're all very supportive of it, but
14 we're also very supportive of the people who live in
15 the City of Scranton who are going to be severely
16 burdened with tax increases, not only in 2007, but for
17 many years to come. And it's time that everyone pays
18 their fair share.
19 MS. GATELLI: Thank you. Mr. Spindler.
20 MR. SPINDLER: Good evening, Council.
21 Les Spindler, city resident. First of all, Mrs.
22 Gatelli, I applaud you on your comments. I think if
23 you give to one, you should give to each hospital.
24 It's not fair to just give to one. That's all I have
25 to say on that.
1 On the dangerous dog ordinances again
2 now, I was approached by two people over the weekend
3 that had problems with pit bulls. I asked them to come
4 personally, because I don't like speaking for people,
5 and they said they don't like coming because they're
6 nervous. I said, I will mention it.
7 First a gentleman came up to me and
8 said he lives on the 1000 block of Clay Avenue. He
9 says he has a neighbor that has three pit bulls, and
10 the neighbor constantly intimidates him. He said he
11 goes to his house with the pit bulls and challenge the
12 man to come out of his house with the dog standing
13 right there.
14 He said he's called the police, they've
15 been up there three times, and nothing has been done to
16 stop this man. So, if this gentleman is watching, then
17 maybe he should call Council and maybe he can talk to
18 one of you about this. I'm sure he's watching, because
19 he came up to me in the super market over the weekend.
20 He knew who I was. But --
21 MS. GATELLI: Would you like me to
23 MR. SPINDLER: Okay.
24 MS. GATELLI: We had this discussion in
25 caucus tonight with Attorney Minora, and we do have a
1 proposal from Tom Preambo, he's working on one through
2 the planning commission, and Attorney Minora has been
3 instructed to investigate this immediately, and we're
4 going to be coming up with something very shortly.
5 MR. SPINDLER: Okay.
6 MS. GATELLI: We didn't forget it. I
7 just want you to know we are working on it.
8 MR. SPINDLER: Well, it's just -- every
9 time I -- it's a big problem.
10 MS. GATELLI: Yes, we realize that.
11 MR. SPINDLER: When I first brought
12 this up, your solicitor said, Well, not enough people
13 have complained, But now it seems like people are
14 coming out of the woodwork complaining.
15 Another thing, Saturday the first
16 person came up to me. Sunday I was walking my dog, now
17 a neighbor of mine came up to me and said he was
18 walking his dog Sunday by Remmick Florist, when a pit
19 bull and a bigger dog, two dogs, attacked his dog, and
20 thank God his dog came out okay.
21 But he said he knows the house they
22 came from, and there were five dogs in that house. And
23 I was under the same understanding that he was. I was
24 always told if you have more than three dogs, you have
25 to get a kennel license.
1 He said he called the animal control
2 officer, couldn't get in touch with him. I called
3 today, couldn't -- he wasn't in. I mean, you're told
4 to call these numbers, and the people are never there.
5 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Mr. Spindler, do
6 you have that address?
7 MR. SPINDLER: No, I don't.
8 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Can you try to get
9 that for us?
10 MR. SPINDLER: If I run into the
11 gentleman. The next thing, I, too, I mean, I mentioned
12 this last week, but the presentation put on by the
13 children from West Scranton last week was tremendous,
14 and there was a letter to the editor in Sunday's paper,
15 a gentleman spoke on Talk Back 16 saying that a smoking
16 ban would be violating their rights.
17 I was thinking, I said, when I went to
18 school, there was a right to peaceful protest, I
19 learned, a right to bear arms, among others. I don't
20 remember a right to smoke.
21 So, I hope Council goes through with
22 this. I think it would be a tremendous thing for the
23 city, and I don't think it would hurt business at all.
24 Like the children said last week, in
25 New York business has probably picked up. So, I hope
1 that you would seriously consider this and go through
2 with it.
3 Lastly, the line painting I've been
4 asking for for about two years now. I know, Mrs.
5 Evans, you asked that a letter be sent a few weeks ago.
7 MS. EVANS: Concerning?
8 MR. SPINDLER: Spruce and Franklin and
9 in front of the Steamtown Mall. Did you hear anything?
10 MS. EVANS: No, I haven't.
11 MR. SPINDLER: It's been two years and
12 I haven't heard anything.
13 MS. EVANS: There are quite a few
14 issues on which I've heard nothing.
15 MR. SPINDLER: Coming down Spruce
16 Street, I go that way every day, I work there, it's
17 three lanes and people going all over.
18 MS. EVANS: Absolutely right.
19 MR. SPINDLER: There's a line painted
20 down the center that's not supposed to be there. It's
21 always been three lanes. And I know that, because as a
22 matter of fact, I was involved in a fender bender there
23 quite a few years ago with a company vehicle.
24 I was in the turning lane. A lady made
25 a right turn from the straight lane. The police came,
1 and he showed the lady the arrow in the turning lane.
2 Oh, well, I didn't see it. People are doing that now.
3 MS. EVANS: I agree.
4 MR. SPINDLER: They're turning from the
5 straight line. And I've brought this up for two years
6 at least now. And I know the first time they said,
7 well, when weather conditions permit it. I think in
8 the last two years we've had good weather.
9 MS. GATELLI: We'll write another
10 letter on that, Mr. Spindler. Give Kay the proper
11 addresses and intersection, Les.
12 MR. SPINDLER: Well, it's the
13 intersection of Spruce and Franklin and the entrance to
14 the Steamtown Mall on Lackawanna Avenue.
15 MS. GATELLI: Right where Boscov's is?
16 MR. SPINDLER: No, on Lackawanan, right
17 in front of the --
18 MS. GATELLI: Where the Grotto Pizza is
19 an all that? Down by the theaters?
20 MR. SPINDLER: No, down past. Down by
21 the bus station
22 MS. GATELLI: Oh, okay.
23 MR. SPINDLER: There's only one
24 entrance on Lackawanna Avenue.
25 MS. GATELLI: All right.
1 MR. SPINDLER: Thank you.
2 MS. GATELLI: Andy Sbaraglia.
3 MR. SBARAGLIA: Andy Sbaraglia, citizen
4 of Scranton. Fellow Scrantonians, as you know the
5 Scranton as we know it today is in deep financial
6 problems. All aspects of it is in deep financial
8 The government presently we have
9 doesn't seems to be working. Maybe it's time for us
10 now to make Council jobs full-time positions, at least
11 three members on it, to oversee the mayor and to have
12 some real political power.
13 Because as it is now, you're part-time.
14 You don't have time to look into all the aspects that's
15 going on in this city. I'm retired and I still don't
16 have all the time to look into it. A lot of the
17 contracts are difficult. A lot of them were blarently
18 bad to the taxpayers.
19 As you know, people wanted the golf
20 course. The golf course was sold. Somebody wanted our
21 South Side Complex, that got sold. All you have to do
22 is be in the right position to want.
23 If we had full-time councilmen, these
24 things wouldn't have happened. You would have enough
25 power to really oversee the mayor, his office and
1 really find out what's happening in the city.
2 I come before you before and told you
3 the Parking Authority isn't on very solid ground, but
4 Council just went along with them building the garages.
5 So, they got their garages, but they're going to have
6 to pay for those garages. And that's where the problem
8 You can't give away, what is it, 138
9 spaces or so to a hotel and expect the parking garage
10 to make money. They're not going to make it. They're
11 going to have to draw from everywhere else.
12 They -- what, $6 million they borrowed
13 not too long ago, plus they got another $4 million,
14 some kind of grant that they have to use for certain
15 things? Now you have to oversee the grant.
16 I asked you before how many loans have
17 defaulted that we have to pay back; namely, the loan
18 with the steam heat company, the hotel, even Whistle's.
19 When you've got to sue -- if Whistle's
20 cannot make it in the City of Scranton and has to be
21 sued by the administration, how could you sit there and
22 allow all these other places to get -- for six
23 employees to get $300 or $400,000 or so forth and tell
24 me that's great interest of the city? They're going to
25 go under. And there's a good chance when they go
1 under, the taxpayers have to foot the bill.
2 I mean it's ridiculous. You know what
3 Whistle's was like. And if they have to be sued for a
4 lousy $60,000 loan, things got to be bad. And you just
5 aren't being told how bad they are.
6 We are paying a lot of loans out
7 probably to people who have defaulted. I still don't
8 know why we're paying for Boscov's when it was $100,000
9 out of CommD funds, and then you come around and tell
10 me they can't used CommD funds to pay off debt, but yet
11 there was so much money earmarked for the garage, for
12 the SRA out of the CommD funds.
13 And now they said they were going to
14 use them funds, I think, to fix up the alley, that's
15 center court. This is what I mean.
16 How much of them block funds have been
17 used to pay off loans that may come back to haunt us?
18 The government may come back and say, You've been doing
19 this all along. You've been in violation of our laws.
20 And things like this is going to come to haunt us.
21 And I don't know where we're going to
22 get the money from really. I don't care how much you
23 can bleed out of the non-paying people, to go up there
24 and ask the hospitals and so forth. As you know,
25 they're all bleeding themselves due to the government
1 -- how the government does things, plus the fact is if
2 you ever seen the Medicare payment to a hospital, what
3 they charge and what the government allows, you would
4 understand the problem they're in.
5 I mean, you wouldn't believe it. It's
6 like not even a tenth, and then you feel sorry for the
7 people that have to pay full price.
8 But this is what's happening. And I
9 don't think you're going to get much out of it, but
10 some of the other places maybe you can.
11 A lot of these buildings and things
12 that you KOZ'd, you may be able to get money out of,
13 but some of the big places, I doubt.
14 Because like I said before, when you
15 lay off 90 people, things have got to be getting bad.
16 Of course, they may cut their salaries and hire some of
17 them back. I thank you.
18 MS. GATELLI: Thank you, Mr. Sbaraglia.
19 Pete Bonacuse.
20 MR. BONACUSE: Hello, Council. My name
21 is Peter Bonacuse. I'm a resident and taxpayer of the
22 City of Scranton, and it's my first time here. I felt
23 compelled to come here today, because I think this bond
24 issue is very important for our city.
25 I was reading it here, just got my
1 education on it just now. Authorizing the lease of a
2 certain real property to the Redevelopment Authority of
3 the City of Scranton, so we're authorizing a rental
4 agreement, declaring the guarantee of said authority's
5 guaranteed lease revenue bonds for the benefit of the
6 City of Scranton, Lackawanna County, to be a project of
7 the city for which lease rental debt is to be incurred;
8 stating the realistic estimated useful life of the
9 facilities relating to the bonds; determining to incur
10 lease rental debt in an aggregate principal amount not
11 to exceed $44 million.
12 So, we're going to agree to rent a
13 piece of property to someone tonight and they're going
14 to in turn pay us $44 million over a period of time.
15 And so, we're going to go and borrow this $44 million
16 so we could use it now. That's how I understand it.
17 And there's an insurance company out
18 there that's guaranteeing the payment of this $44
19 million. We're going to be able to buy an insurance
20 policy to guarantee the repayment of this $44 million
21 so we can avoid default.
22 That's a great deal, if I got it right.
23 In my books, that would be fantastic. And I'm a real
24 estate investor, and I love Scranton.
25 And I've been doing it since I was
1 21 years old, and it was really rough during Jimmy
2 Connors, and it's really good during Chris Doherty.
3 And I'm a Republican, you know, so I'm
4 not a Democrat, I'm not -- I think differently than a
5 lot of people I know.
6 And if I'm able to borrow $44 million
7 now and use it to infuse into my city and to put --
8 pave more roads or whatever the mayor's going to do.
9 He's been doing a great job so far.
10 And I have to agree with a lot of stuff
11 that he's done. I mean, Scranton is mentioned every
12 week in a sitcom, you know, on TV. We're out there.
13 People know about the City of Scranton. We're in the
14 list of the most desirable places to live in People
15 Magazine. We've never been there. You know, we've
16 never been mentioned internationally.
17 People are looking -- are coming here
18 to live. You know, people are -- our real estate
19 market has doubled. You know, in the past the values
20 of the shareholders in the city, the property owners;
21 homes, their values of their properties have doubled
22 since Doherty took office.
23 And this is only going to enhance our
24 values. If we vote against this and not have this bond
25 issue, we might just shoot ourselves in the foot.
1 We're taking the tools away from the administration.
2 I hope I'm understanding this right.
3 You know, because we're looking at this like credit
4 card debt or something. This isn't credit card debt.
5 This is good debt.
6 There's two different kinds of debts,
7 there's bad debt and good debt. Bad debt is your
8 credit card debt, the kind of debt you go into when you
9 buy shoes and clothes and happy things, you know?
10 Good debt is debt that's going to make
11 you money. Buying an old piece of property and going
12 into debt fixing it up and renting it out and it pays
13 that debt back and puts money in our pocket. You know,
14 that's good debt. I like that kind of debt, and I
15 think this $44 million is going to be good debt. Thank
17 MS. GATELLI: Thank you, Mr. Bonacuse.
18 Mike Dudek.
19 MS. EVANS: Mr. Bonacuse, have you been
20 given by the city and this Council a loan through OECD
21 to improve a building?
22 MR. BONACUSE: No.
23 MS. EVANS: No?
24 MR. BONACUSE: No.
25 MS. EVANS: To construct a beauty
2 MR. BONACUSE: No construction loans,
3 no. That was equipment loan, equipment and materials.
4 MS. EVANS: Oh, but you did receive a
6 MR. BONACUSE: Yeah.
7 MS. EVANS: Yes. Thank you.
8 MR. BONACUSE: Why? What's with that?
9 MS. EVANS: Nothing. I was just
10 wondering if you were the individual to whom the city
11 had loaned the money.
12 MR. BONACUSE: Yeah. Is that a
14 MS. EVANS: I don't think it's a
15 problem. I voted to give it to you.
16 MR. BONACUSE: That's okay. Am I doing
17 something bad by coming up here and voicing my opinion?
18 I thank you very much for that loan, by the way.
19 MS. EVANS: You're welcome.
20 MR. BONACUSE: I could have went to the
21 bank and got it myself, you know, but, I mean, the
22 terms were better with the city.
23 MS. EVANS: Oh, absolutely, absolutely.
24 I'm just wondering, though, about the debt, in that,
25 when you're borrowing four consecutive years and you're
1 borrowing because you're in debt to cover the debt that
2 you're current in.
3 MR. BONACUSE: Well, look at why we
4 were in debt. Look at the property that we inherited.
5 MS. GATELLI: Excuse me. We're not
6 going to get into a debate here, please.
7 MR. BONACUSE: She's engaging me.
8 MS. GATELLI: I know. Mr. Bonacuse,
9 thank you for coming, and we do appreciate your
11 MR. BONACUSE: Okay.
12 MS. GATELLI: Thank you. Mr. Dudek.
13 MR. DUDEK: My name is Mike Dudek, 608
14 Depot Street, Scranton, PA. I live in The Plot.
15 Whether or not we seem to recognize it, I think that
16 this vote you're going to take on the $44 million debt
17 will be the most important vote ever taken by a
18 Scranton City Council in the history of the City of
19 Scranton since that first City Council met to
20 incorporate this city. It's going to be that
22 And as we look at this, too much of
23 this debt has been built on political corruption.
24 Political corruption means money is involved in some
25 way. That's all corruption means.
1 All we have to do is look at the layer
2 upon layer of advisors getting money in this city, just
3 as an example, and I don't think I have to go through
4 the litany of the numbers. I think we've been numbered
5 to death already.
6 I just want to point out something here
7 about what will happen if we have to raise our taxes,
8 and something has been totally missed and totally
9 ignored in this whole process.
10 People think that our taxes could
11 possibly double, our real estate taxes are going to
12 possibly double. They are not going to double. Let me
13 put your mind at ease to that. They are not going to
14 double. They're going to triple.
15 We're all forgetting one thing coming
16 out of the state government, Governor Rendell has made
17 it possible in the future, and it will probably be next
18 year or the year after, for senior citizens to get
19 property rebates.
20 Many senior citizens will get property
21 rebates up to 30 percent, and many property owners will
22 not have to pay a dime in property taxes.
23 When we look at the list of property
24 owners in the City of Scranton and factor in this
25 equation to the tax process, the young people in this
1 town will see their tax bills become rent bills with
2 Christopher Doherty as the landlord.
3 We have to look at it in these terms.
4 When we were discussing all this, nobody ever factored
5 in the fact that senior citizens were going to get
6 these discounts. They are coming. Forget the
7 political advertising that you're seeing. These
8 discounts are coming for senior citizens, and they're
9 going to have a tremendous wallop in this town.
10 So, please consider that before you
11 make a hasty vote on a $44 million boondoggle. Please.
12 This is the most historic vote that you will take in
13 this city since that first Council met just after the
14 civil war. Please, please be considerate of the
15 property owners of this city. Thank you.
16 MS. GATELLI: Thank you. Bob Bolus.
17 MR. BOLUS: Good evening, Council. Bob
18 Bolus, Scranton. I would like to congratulate the
19 Junior Council.
20 The paper this week, it was kind of
21 funny to watch some comments made about the Southern
22 Union building. Chris Doherty said there's buildings
23 in the city, that there's vacancies all over, which
24 everybody said. The only thing he failed to mention,
25 Southern Union is still empty. It might be one nice
1 bulling, but it's still empty.
2 It may get filled at some point, but it
3 isn't at the present time. And it's a KOZ and it's
4 there for free.
5 Keep in mind, too, Mr. Doherty has not
6 attempted to make one single cut since he's been in
7 office. He's only escalated our expenses and our debt.
8 He's trying to use a scare tactic.
9 He's had four plus years to make cuts
10 in this city, to demonstrate his ability to make the
11 city solvent, and he's failed miserably. Now he wants
12 $44 million.
13 The Times had an article, and we're
14 quoting The Times a lot tonight, we're not done with
15 them tonight. Doherty plans to move on, which he does,
16 he wants to look good now. Give him $44 million, he
17 looks good. And in a couple months, he may move on and
18 leave the debt for us to worry about.
19 But he has to remember, he controls
20 $70-plus million a year for the last, what, five years,
21 he's had that money in his hand, and he's only gone up,
22 he's never gone down. He hasn't done one thing of that
23 money to bring income into this city.
24 There's no question at CMC we need a
25 trauma center. We need a trauma center in a hospital,
1 not necessarily in CMC.
2 The Scranton Times has come down on
3 Council. I spoke out about it the other day. I don't
4 believe they're entitled to $40,000. They've laid off
5 90 people. They built parking garages. They're KOZs
6 and they're non-profits, yet the people at the top have
7 not taken a dime cut, yet the nurses and the caregivers
8 are slighted every day there.
9 So, we should hand $40,000 to a
10 company, a business that's losing money? No, no way.
11 It should modify its own problems and deal with it
13 We're not their caregivers. I pay a
14 considerable amount of money every month for Blue Cross
15 and Blue Shield, and I could be laying on the stretcher
16 with my arm hanging off and they want to know if I have
17 insurance before I go anywhere. So, let's call a spade
18 a spade around here. There's two other hospitals here,
20 Maybe what we need is a whole outside
21 trauma center independently owned by someone, a group
22 of doctors or anyone else just like we have other
23 facilities here.
24 It's unfair just to keep coming out and
25 not do this. But if we're losing $40,000, like they
1 said, let's give $40,000 to all of the businesses that
2 are losing money. I'm sure we can find a lot of them
3 around here that are losing money.
4 You know, The Times has it wrong. We
5 look to City Council as the steward of our money. We
6 look to you to guarantee that you're the watch dogs of
7 what goes on in this city. And we expect you to do
8 that now, especially with $44 million on the table.
9 We're not going to be scared. Let
10 Chris Doherty figure out he's going to manage it. He's
11 had five years to do it. Let The Times maybe write an
12 editorial. Maybe they can come here and tell us how to
13 run the city. Remember, they moved their plant to
14 Waverly. Keep that in mind. So, they didn't put
15 everything they had in the city.
16 We have a right to demand a fee from
17 KOZs and non-profits. We have a demand, we have a
18 right, to tell them that everybody that comes here,
19 that we expect you to pay your fair share, from The
20 University right on down.
21 You're a business. If you can't make
22 it, then you've got to leave. If we're out of
23 business, we have to leave. Nobody in the city's
24 handed us money. No county is handing anybody money.
25 The governor isn't coming and giving anybody money.
1 Then they say we come here and
2 grandstand on 61 with the commissioners. Well, I don't
3 know if we grandstand here, but we get our point
4 across. But does anybody watch the commissioner's
5 meeting on 61? Say, talk about grandstanding. I think
6 people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
7 You know, we've got to stop begging for
8 a small pittance in the city. Insist that the golf
9 course money is put in trust and no more game playing.
10 And more importantly, ask Bob Casey and
11 Rick Santorum, because the gentleman that just left
12 here said we're now known nationally, come here and
13 hold a debate in the City of Scranton.
14 Tell us in the City of Scranton what
15 you're going to do for us, how you're going to cut our
16 taxes, how you're going to help Chris Doherty or a
17 future mayor make this city solvent. Tell us how
18 you're going to bring jobs here, not in Jamestown or
19 other places.
20 If you're going to run for an election
21 and you're going to use Scranton, then use Scranton in
22 the significant part it is, that this is where we need
23 progress, nowhere else, and come here and debate.
24 Thank you.
25 MS. GATELLI: Thank you. Fred
2 MR. BUDZINSKI: Last week I was at
3 Gerrity's Grocery Store in the Keyser Oak Shopping
4 Center, and there was an old woman named Theresa. She
5 came over to me when I was sitting down there about
6 twelve o'clock eating with another lady.
7 She came up and me an idea. And her
8 and her friend gave me $2, and their idea is, let the
9 citizens of Scranton pay for the benches, let the
10 seniors, non-seniors, they suggest, send one dollar
11 bill to each one of their Council members that they
12 voted for, send a dollar in.
13 Now, I don't have to push this. I
14 don't know how I even got roped in this. So, 86 people
15 -- between 86 people, I have $97 for benches.
16 One woman gave me $5. I asked her
17 name, she said, No. She didn't want to give me her
18 name. And three gave me $2. And I have $97 which I
19 will hold. Probably at the end of October, I don't
20 know what I'm going to get, $400 or $500. I don't know
21 what's going to be send in for the benches.
22 They've been telling me the city is so
23 broke, that's their idea. They want the people of
24 Scranton to pay for those benches, and they want you to
25 send your dollar to any member of City Council, City
1 Council Room, 340 North Washington Avenue, Scranton,
2 Pennsylvania 18503, and I would like Mrs. Evans to have
3 control of that money.
4 And, also, if them benches don't come,
5 and the money that is turned in, they suggested that
6 that money be turned over to the Saint Joseph's
7 Hospital in Green Ridge. Thank you.
8 MS. GATELLI: Thank you. I believe
9 that a letter was sent about the benches.
10 MS. EVANS: Yes. Actually, all the
11 letters went out this week. And if we don't receive a
12 response to those letters in a timely fashion, then I'm
13 going to visit some of the individuals.
14 Mr. Quinn was kind enough to give me
15 their names and locations, and it was my understanding
16 that Lamar was going to provide those benches very
17 generously free of charge to the city, and all of the
18 locations, the businesses, you know, who are situated
19 in those locations have agreed.
20 And what the holdup is, I really don't
21 understand, but I'm sure we'll get to the bottom of it,
22 and I'm hoping that we won't have to use the citizens'
24 MS. GATELLI: Lee Morgan.
25 MR. MORGAN: Good evening, Council.
1 What I'd like to say here is Mr. Cordaro's name has
2 come up tonight about the political grandstanding, and
3 I'd like to say that I think Mr. Cordaro shouldn't be
4 throwing rocks at anybody, in my opinion.
5 Back in 1994, I believe it was 1994, I
6 had a discussion with the county commissioners at the
7 Taylor Municipal Building in regards to the 911 call
8 center, and at that time Commissioner Cordaro and
9 Mr. Munchak promised an independent investigation into
10 a response to a 911 call where my daughter lost her
12 And everybody who has researched that,
13 the only -- your solicitor may know this, call centers
14 have immunity, and that call center didn't function at
15 all. And I'd just like to say that that's the major
16 reason why I don't have a daughter at this time.
17 And for Mr. Cordaro to stand here in
18 the press and talk about political grandstanding, he
19 promised an independent investigation with one person
20 of my choosing to sit on this board to review what the
21 911 call center had done. It never happened. And he
22 gave his word on that.
23 He sat here at the tax group, and I
24 will acknowledge that I have a very strong dislike for
25 Mr. Cordaro. There's not a doubt, and I don't want to
1 leave a doubt in anybody's mind about that. But I
2 think his brand of politics has to die.
3 And in regards to that, I'd like to say
4 in regard to the loan that this city is talking about,
5 this loan has to be voted down.
6 This city has to move in a new
7 direction, and borrowing all this money is definitely
8 not the direction to take us anywhere.
9 The debt has reached a point where I
10 think people have to realize people can't fix their
11 homes, they can't pay their taxes. It's come to the
12 point where we're only worried about banks making
13 money, consultants making money, insurance companies
14 making money, and we've lost too much in this city.
15 We talk about how the city population
16 has been hacked since I was a child, well, a little
17 more than since I've been a child, and now we're down
18 below 70,000 people.
19 And I'd just like to say that, I mean,
20 I believe Mr. McTiernan is the finance chairman, is
21 that true, sir? I'd hate to have your job, because I
22 don't see how any of these numbers can match. I don't
23 see how we can fight our way through this.
24 I think the greatest gift we can give
25 to the citizens of this city is to take a hard road.
1 It's easy to borrow money. It's easy to talk about how
2 things are going to change in the future.
3 Things haven't changed in this city's
4 future for the last 50 years, because politics has run
5 this city for that long.
6 Some people may not like to hear that
7 said, but that's what's happened here. But you know
8 something, we've got five people at this Council that
9 can make a change here. And I believe that. And
10 politics can die here. And we can have five statesmen
11 sitting in those seats. They're going to change the
12 direction of this city.
13 And the mayor? I think the mayor is a
14 good father and an honorable man. I just don't agree
15 with his politics, and I don't think he's a good
16 administrator, but that doesn't mean that he can't
17 change his direction lead this city in a new direction.
18 Because I didn't say he wasn't capable.
19 I just question whether he really wants to have the
20 best interests of the people in mind, or the best
21 interest of special interest in mind. And I guess that
22 is the question. Thank you.
23 MS. GATELLI: Thank you. Marie
25 MS. SHUMAKER: Hi, Marie Shumaker. I
1 have three quick items tonight. The first is a trip
2 down memory lane going back to July 13. I believe it
3 was Mr. Courtright read a letter about the danger at
4 the intersection of Meadow and River with traffic
5 coming from the gas station and attempting to turn
7 Mrs. Fanucci stated the planning
8 commission had addresses this while she was a member,
9 and only right turns are permitted.
10 There was a follow-up two weeks later
11 on July 27. On September 7, there was a motion passed
12 to send a letter, among others things, to Donny king
13 concerning the mini-mart on Meadow Avenue to expedite
14 those signs being placed there because there is going
15 to be tragedy there. And that motion did pass.
16 Now, when that tragedy occurs, I would,
17 number one, since I do that a lot, I hope it's not me
18 or one of my loved ones, and second of all, I would
19 almost guarantee there's going to be a lawsuit that the
20 city can ill-afford because they've been toying with
21 this for several years now in actuality.
22 And the fact that it's not being
23 addressed, I think, makes you liable. And I think it's
24 time that something should be done. And it certainly
25 makes one suspicious that maybe the owner of that is
1 one of the more preferred citizens and doesn't want
2 that turn made, and that's the only conclusion I could
3 come to for the lack of action.
4 My next item is the proposed ordinance
5 again for dealing with swimming pools that are not
6 being properly maintained. I'd like to read it. It's
8 Property owners must drain stagnant
9 water on their properties. Swimming pool owners who do
10 not remove stagnant water are subject to having the
11 work performed by a city hired contractor. The
12 property owner will be billed for the city's expenses,
13 plus $125 administrative fee.
14 If the bill is not paid, a lien will be
15 placed against the property. Legal action is also
16 possible. I think that would either cause people to
17 remove the stagnant water or maybe have them make some
19 Then my final item tonight deals again
20 with the loan that's back on the agenda, which is
21 disappointing in and of itself that it even made it as
22 far as the agenda.
23 And I might like to say, I am somewhat
24 distressed that we haven't heard anything from the
25 Junior Council on this. It almost makes me wonder if
1 any of them really plan to stay in Scranton after they
2 graduate from high school and college.
3 Because if I was in high school right
4 now and I was looking at the debt that you people are
5 thinking about incurring, they're the ones who are
6 going to be paying it. And I'm surprised, as I say,
7 they're not forthcoming.
8 And to put it into perspective, if you
9 take the -- the not to exceed debt service schedule
10 that was provided when this was on the agenda the last
11 time, we're talking about 13 years worth of property
12 tax revenue for the city or seven plus years of the
13 wage tax.
14 That's what this -- we're going to have
15 to pay. And I think that helps to put it into
16 perspective. And, so, I would hope that you would not
17 vote in favor of this $44 million loan that the mayor
18 is asking for.
19 And since the worldwide symbol of
20 betrayal is 30 pieces of silver, I would like to
21 provide Neil with 30 pieces of silver. They're, in
22 fact, Hershey Kisses, but they're symbolic to share
23 with those Councilperson who vote in favor of this
24 loan. Thank you very much.
25 MR. COURTRIGHT: Jim Davis.
1 MR. MINORA: Excuse me, Mr. Davis.
2 Excuse me, Mr. Davis. Before you start, would you mind
3 removing your hat, please?
4 MR. DAVIS: Yes.
5 MR. MINORA: Thank you.
6 MR. DAVIS: I'm working.
7 MR. MINORA: Would you mind removing
8 your hat, please? We went through this the last time
9 you were up.
10 MR. DAVIS: No, I didn't.
11 MR. DAVIS: Would you please remove
12 your hat?
13 MR. DAVIS: It's America.
14 MR. MINORA: I'm asking you. Your hat
15 is -- the rules are we're not going to allow speakers
16 to promote individual candidates.
17 Now, I told you that two weeks ago. I
18 explained it to you as nicely and as kindly as I could.
19 The rules apply to you, Mr. Davis, just as they do to
20 everyone else.
21 Mr. DiBileo last year had people take
22 pins off when he was running, his own pins, because he
23 understood the importance of having this be a
24 non-political setting.
25 Now, I'm asking you nicely, please
1 remove your hat, or don't speak or don't speak.
2 MR. DAVIS: Okay. I'm going to speak.
3 MR. MINORA: Then remove your hat.
4 MR. DAVIS: No.
5 MR. MINORA: Then don't speak.
6 MR. DAVIS: I don't have to.
7 MR. COURTRIGHT: Mr. Davis --
8 MR. DAVIS: Yes.
9 MR. COURTRIGHT: If you don't want to
10 remove your hat, take the sticker off.
11 MR. DAVIS: What if I do this?
12 MR. COURTRIGHT: That's fine. Is that
13 all right, Mr. Minora?
14 MR. MINORA: No.
15 MR. COURTRIGHT: No?
16 MR. MINORA: I don't know whether --
17 the point of this is very simple --
18 MR. DAVIS: It's --
19 MR. COURTRIGHT: Mr. Davis, just hold
20 on for a second. One second, Mr. Davis, one minute.
21 MR. MINORA: The point is very simple.
22 This podium is not to be used to foster or set forth
23 some individual's political agenda.
24 I happen to like the person that he has
25 his hat on for, that's not the point. That's not the
1 point. The point of it is, this is to discuss city
3 I explained to Mr. Davis two weeks ago,
4 we're not here to promote the agenda of a political
5 candidate. The rule applies to you, Mr. Davis, just as
6 it does to every other person in this audience.
7 Every other person in this audience has
8 abided by that. Why you can't, I don't know. Why you
9 think you're a privileged character, I don't know, but
10 remove your hat before you speak, or don't speak.
11 MR. DAVIS: Look in the audience.
12 MR. MINORA: Or don't speak.
13 MR. DAVIS: Look in the audience. Do
14 you see another black face in this audience?
15 MR. MINORA: Mr. Davis --
16 MR. COURTRIGHT: Mr. Davis --
17 MR. MINORA: Hat off or don't speak.
18 It's very simple.
19 MR. DAVIS: I stand corrected.
20 MR. MINORA: Hat off or don't speak.
21 MR. DAVIS: I stand corrected, sir.
22 MR. MINORA: If you stand corrected,
23 take your hat off.
24 MR. DAVIS: I turned it around.
25 MR. COURTRIGHT: Take -- Mr. Davis, I'm
1 going to have to ask you to either take that off, take
2 the sticker off or sit down. We're going to --
3 MR. DAVIS: Well, now we're changing.
4 MR. COURTRIGHT: Yes, yes. And I will
5 see that if somebody comes up in future, whether Mrs.
6 Gatelli is here or not, that they do not display any
7 political stickers, buttons or whatever.
8 If we make an exception for you, I'm
9 sure next week there's going to be people here with
10 other political stickers on. Please just comply. It's
11 a simple request.
12 MR. DAVIS: This is really an
14 MR. COURTRIGHT: Thank you.
15 MR. DAVIS: Thank you. It's easily
17 MR. COURTRIGHT: Yeah, it was.
18 MR. DAVIS: But it's not THE purpose of
19 it. The reason why I'm doing this, and I'm saying, I
20 came here tonight to talk about civil rights.
21 MR. COURTRIGHT: All right. That's
22 fine. Please talk about it.
23 MR. DAVIS: Because last time I was
24 here, I thought my civil rights were violated. Excuse
1 MR. COURTRIGHT: Go ahead, speak on it.
2 MR. DAVIS: It's all right to speak
4 MR. COURTRIGHT: Yeah, go right ahead.
5 MR. DAVIS: Could I do that for five
6 minutes? Okay. Thank you.
7 MR. COURTRIGHT: Sorry about. I'm
8 Italian, I talk with my hands.
9 MR. DAVIS: Thank you. Assalaam
10 Alaikum, (UNTRANSCRIBABLE). For my Muslim friends out
11 there or brothers, (UNTRANSCRIBABLE) means peace and
12 blessings during Ramadan. We are celebrating Ramadan
13 during this period of time of the year, and it's a
14 pleasant -- it's something that happens as we
15 congratulate each other to go through this period of
16 time. It's when we bear our burdens to allow it.
17 And I came here tonight to talk about
18 civil rights because I think it's so important. I
19 think it's a course that should be taught in high
20 school. I think it should be a part of your
21 curriculum. It's so important that our kids are not
23 As a matter of fact, most of our
24 seniors, most of our adults are not knowledgeable.
25 You're not serious.
1 MR. MINORA: That's five minutes.
2 MR. DAVIS: You know, it's a violation
3 of a person's rights to speak in a quorum, in a
4 positive quorum, in a positive --
5 MR. MINORA: Be here next week.
6 MR. DAVIS: Excuse me.
7 MR. MINORA: We'll be here next week.
8 MR. DAVIS: I know you will. Mr.
9 Courtright, what are we going to do about the lines on
10 the bridge on the street out there?
11 MR. COURTRIGHT: I'd be happy to talk
12 with you after the meeting.
13 MR. DAVIS: Oh, no. You can't say
14 anything -- you said that two weeks ago.
15 MR. COURTRIGHT: What did I say two
16 weeks ago?
17 MR. DAVIS: I asked you about the lines
18 on the street up there, you said you're going to have
19 something done about it.
20 MR. COURTRIGHT: On what street?
21 MR. DAVIS: You not only can't see, but
22 you can't hear me.
23 MR. COURTRIGHT: No. I can see and I
24 can hear, both. Are there any other speakers? Mr.
1 MR. ELMAN: Ronny Elman from North
2 Side. Believe it or not, I didn't come to badmouth
3 anybody tonight, even the newspaper.
4 I was at the mall Saturday. I went to
5 post office, and I'm riding the escalator down, and six
6 or seven people, their peers, got in front of me, these
7 weirdos wearing the black and the funny hair and all
8 the earrings and all. And I was just sitting and
9 looking at them. They're losers.
10 Where are these kids going to go? And
11 I can't understand how their parents or guardians are
12 allowing them to degenerate to this kind of state.
13 And then it occurred to me, they're not
14 going anywhere. You know, they'll be living with their
15 mama ten years from now, but most of these kids,
16 they're not going to be here either. They're going to
17 graduate or go to college or trade school, get married,
19 These weirdos on the escalator are the
20 ones, even if it's just one or two of them, they're the
21 ones that are the future leaders of this city, and it's
22 a terrible thought for me. I mean, you know, for
23 anybody. I mentioned it to somebody else.
24 It just seems like such a -- here we
25 are just talking about all this money. Last week there
1 was three more positions added onto the city. You
2 know, it doesn't stop with this mayor. And these
3 people aren't even going to be here. I don't know who
4 is going to be left in town to pay taxes. There's
5 5,000 houses and businesses for sale, a real estate
6 lady estimated to me. That was a year ago.
7 Every year there's 500, 600 houses in
8 the sheriff's sale. What's left around here? You
9 know, we've got all these hospitals and everybody. I
10 might be mistaken, but I thought I read in the paper
11 the reason the hospital let 90 people go was financial.
12 I didn't see anything else in there that, you know,
13 that shows up in the paper today.
14 But what are we going to do in the
15 city? You're talking about another loan. This mayor
16 is just incapable of running the city. There's -- it's
17 just getting worse and worse, and you people just seem
18 to be out of touch. You just don't talk to people.
19 Like, I was sitting in the grocery
20 store this week, and three, four people came to me.
21 Everybody is against it. I was at two flea markets,
22 and people were telling me the city is going to pot,
23 the streets are bad.
24 I've had my front end on my car aligned
25 every summer. I have to get it aligned after the
1 winter. You know, Mr. Connors borrowed, what, $18
2 million or something to pave the streets, and this year
3 we're going through all the paving?
4 The cars -- I lost a hubcap that you
5 have to use a screwdriver to pry off on my car. One of
6 them fell off on these potholes. I mean, I don't know
7 how, but I lost one. It just seems, you know, the
8 city's just not being taken care of properly.
9 I think I can praise the sanitation
10 department. They seem to be doing their job, because
11 my street looks nice, you know, when they go by and
12 they do their job, the police and the firemen do, but
13 this building is absolutely full of just a bunch of
14 wasted people.
15 The lesser people in every
16 administration are doing all the work, and still I'm
17 saying, get on the phone and try to get one of these
18 department heads. It's impossible. They're never
19 there. Now we have three more of them added onto the
20 payroll? It's senseless.
21 You know, I don't know -- I wasn't here
22 earlier, but I didn't hear anybody mention the
23 Governor's admiration for our mayor, you know, saying
24 he's doing such a good job, keep him here. I don't
1 To me, if you read between the lines,
2 it acts like Mr. Rendell doesn't want him in
3 Harrisburg. Thank you.
4 MS. GATELLI: Than you. Anybody else
5 care to speak?
6 MR. NOLE: My name is Gunner Nole. I'm
7 a Scranton resident, a homeowner and taxpayer and a
8 retired U.S. Army officer.
9 I actually compiled a speech this week.
10 I'm going to read it, if I could beg your indulgence.
11 Feel free to criticize both the style and content after
12 I'm through.
13 Each week as I watch citizens speakers
14 approach the podium, I see democracy in action,
15 although lately it's been more like a cliptocracy.
16 It's like watching five wolves and one sheep voting on
17 what's going to be for dinner.
18 It seems there is absolutely no limit
19 at all to this city government's desire for our money.
20 With every year that passes, the actual taxpayers
21 decrease in number, while the tax takers increase.
22 Lately, some of your discussions of
23 half-baked ideas are causing severe intellectual
24 discomfort to the taxpayers of this city.
25 It's been said he who robs Peter to pay
1 Paul can always count on the support of Paul. Well,
2 I'm tired of being treated like a Peter.
3 Stop looking in other people's pockets
4 for money. You have no business there. Stop ripping
5 us off, and don't put any more debt on the backs of the
6 working class. We are not your beasts of burden.
7 Do not bow to the temptation to use the
8 government as an instrument of plunder. Don't be like
9 the county commissioners.
10 If it is wrong for you to take money
11 from someone who earned it, to take their money by
12 force for your own needs, then it is certainly just as
13 wrong for you to demand the government step forward and
14 do this dirty work for you.
15 Not only the mayor, but we are holding you
16 accountable, as well. The key to accepting
17 responsibility for your actions is to accept the fact
18 that your choices, each and every one of them, are
19 leading you and us inexorably to either success or
21 As taxpayers, we want our elected
22 officials to succeed, but we realize occasionally we
23 must alter some elements of your behavior. We would be
24 doing you no favors by accepting your excuses for your
25 poor judgment and irresponsible financial behavior.
1 All of you can easily be replaced, and some of you
2 surely will.
3 But just imagine for a moment how
4 difficult it would be for us just to find a candidate
5 with the ability to undo the damage caused by your
6 impending buffoonery, and one that is willing to run,
7 yet alone get him or her elected.
8 One of my more liberal friends always
9 says, the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. He
10 usually gets upset when I explain it, and it will make
11 perfect sense here once I do. It's an easy concept.
12 The rich keep getting richer because
13 they keep doing the things that make them rich, and the
14 same applies to the poor. The same theory applies to
15 this City Council.
16 Year after year we seem to keep doing
17 the same things that continue to make us even poorer.
18 This City Council is making the city poor.
19 Go ahead, add it up. Show us the
20 balance sheet, assets on one side, liabilities on the
21 other side. What's our net worth? Are we wealthier
22 this year than last year? Tell us. Or better yet,
23 show us.
24 I suspect as individuals, some of you
25 may have outlived your usefulness, some of you no
1 longer offer any utility to the people of this city.
2 As a group, however, as a block of
3 five, one cohesive unit, you can be a powerful force
4 it, a force that can override any external influence,
5 you can fix our current financial problems and prevent
6 future ones from occurring.
7 Do not wait until it is too late to
8 recognize the importance of good decision making. And
9 it should be noted none of you produce anything other
10 than paper or zany regulations. Our beloved garbage
11 are by far more productive than this Council.
12 If you are uncertain if what you are
13 doing is not absolutely the best option or direction
14 for the city, then please do nothing. Do nothing is
15 always an option. And we can live better with a bunch
16 of do nothings, than a bunch of screw-ups. Perhaps you
17 would prefer the title the prophylactics of progress.
18 So, can somebody up there, somebody
19 please give us a few reasons why we, the citizens,
20 should have any confidence, let alone any modicum of
21 hope about the future of Scranton as it is left in your
23 So, come on. Energize me. Pump me up.
24 Send me back home reassured knowing the city will be
25 financially solvent without plundering my family's
1 treasure and we are in good hands. Thank you.
2 MS. GATELLI: Thank you.
3 MS. STULGIS: I brought a little show
4 and tell. My name is Ann Marie Stulgis, and I'm the
5 president of the Scranton/Dunmore Fraternal Order of
7 And before I begin, may I ask, did any
8 of you receive on your check recently a memo from the
9 city controller asking you for proof of your residency?
10 MR. COURTRIGHT: Yes.
11 MS. STULGIS: Okay. So did members of
12 our union and the other unions. My concern with that
13 is the security of that information.
14 We all know that we live in an
15 information age, an age where knowing people's Social
16 Security number, dates of birth, can be extremely
17 harmful to them.
18 We all know that there have been of
19 late several government officials throughout the
20 country, including federal officials, who've lost their
21 jobs for failing to be very careful with the
22 dissemination of people's private information.
23 Tied in with that is the fact that our
24 city is in great debt and that everyone wonders whom to
25 blame. Well, might I suggest that the blame falls on
1 the incompetence of the management of this city.
2 And as proof I offer to you these.
3 These are literally hundreds and hundreds and hundreds
4 of index cards. As you can see they're jammed in here,
5 and there's hundreds of them.
6 They were found blown about Dix Court,
7 up and down Dix Court. They were at one time a part of
8 the office of our human resource director Lisa Moran.
9 Instead of shredding them, they were
10 thrown away. It was windy, it was rainy, so these
11 cards blew all over the alley.
12 They contain -- here is a former police
13 officer who's now a state trooper. They contain his
14 name, his address, his city, what he was hired at, his
15 phone number, his date of birth, his date of hire, his
16 starting salary, and his Social Security number.
17 Hundreds of them, hundreds and hundreds.
18 They're from people who were hired in
19 1955 through people who were hired up to 1995. As many
20 as could possibly be gathered up were gathered up,
21 however, how many weren't rescued? How many fell into
22 the wrong hands?
23 Who has your Social Security number and
24 your date of birth? Who now has access to that? You
25 can sell these on the internet. We could get the city
1 out of debt in no time with all these. All I have to
2 do is apply for a couple of credit cards.
3 Look at this. We've got Attorney Nancy
4 Barrasse, we've got Eugene Barrett, we've got former
5 Mayor David Wenzel.
6 MS. GATELLI: I might be in there.
7 MS. STULGIS: As a matter of fact, Mrs.
8 Gatelli, I understand your birthday might be August 18?
9 MS. GATELLI: Yes, it is.
10 MS. STULGIS: Here it is.
11 MS. GATELLI: See, there you go.
12 MS. STULGIS: By tomorrow morning with
13 this card, by tomorrow morning if your utilities are in
14 your name and not your husband's, I could make sure you
15 have no water, no gas, no electric, no phone, and I
16 could go on a charging spree. And that is for
17 hundreds, literally, hundreds, hundreds, hundreds.
18 We've got Paul McGloin, we've got Mayor
19 Connors, we've got Sam Vitras, Sr., Sam Vitras, Jr.,
20 Nancy Krake, I know mine is in here, I know Dave
21 Gervasi's is in here, Dave Schreiber.
22 What I would strongly suggest, and you
23 don't have to do it since your card is accounted for,
24 but what I would strongly suggest is that anyone who
25 has been employed by the City of Scranton, even on a
1 part-time basis, because I know Mr. Gilhooley's is in
2 here, Mr. Hazzouri's is in here, Mr. Pocius, he was
3 born in 1950, I thought he was older than that, there's
4 -- there's -- I'm not kidding you. This is a debacle,
5 to say the least. Federal employees were fired for
6 this, and yet, this is who's running our city.
7 This came from a department where the
8 department had got a $10,000 at one clip pay raise,
9 $10,000 at one clip. You wonder why we're in debt if
10 this is what's running the city? Does anybody wonder?
11 But please, I'm asking anybody, if you
12 know anyone who worked for the City of Scranton ever,
13 to please check their credit, because we don't know
14 whose cards weren't rescued from the garbage and we
15 don't know whose lives can be ruined because of this
16 malfeasance of office.
17 MS. GATELLI: Thank you. Mrs. Stulgis,
18 what do you intend to do with those cards?
19 AUDIENCE MEMBER: Sell them.
20 MS. STULGIS: I'm going to make sure
21 there's no criminal charges that can be brought for
22 this, and if there are not, the Fraternal Order of
23 Police will shred them.
24 MS. GATELLI: Okay. Thank you very
25 much. And I'm glad you didn't say the year I was born
1 in. Thank you.
2 MS. FRANUS: Fay Franus, Scranton.
3 First I want to address the dog issue. I'm very much
4 against any ban on pit bulls, and I understand you said
5 something about the planning commission and you're
6 working on this, just because a few people come up here
7 with dog bites and stuff like that and pictures, it's
8 not the dogs, and I don't care what anybody says.
9 I was attacked by a dog. My face was
10 scared, I had to get plastic surgery. It was a
11 Doberman. There's no ban on Dobermans, nor should
12 there be. It's not the dogs, it's the owners.
13 And until you people realize this and
14 go after the owners, not the dogs -- I work with dogs
15 all day long, and there's wonderful pit bulls out
16 there. They're the best. You just have to like them,
17 you have to love them and you have to treat them
19 People that own these pit bulls, you
20 should get the names of these people and go after them
21 and take the pit bulls off them and put them in good
22 homes where they will be loved and taken care of, not
24 Anybody's that's abused is going to
25 react like that, whether it be a pit bull or whether it
1 be a little poodle. A little poodle bit my lip one
2 day, a little cute little poodle. I got stiches, you
3 know, but so what.
4 Dogs do things for a reason. They're
5 not nasty dogs, just nasty dogs. They're brought up
6 that way. It's how they're raised. It's what they're
7 -- all I'm telling you is if you go through with this
8 and if you encourage this, I'm going to come after you,
9 because somebody has to stick up for these dogs. It's
10 complete discrimination, complete, absolute
11 discrimination, and it shouldn't. There should be no
12 ban on any dog.
13 You go off the owner and make sure that
14 the people take care of their animals. That's your
15 responsibility as a Council in charge of the animal
16 control, which is a joke around here.
17 The Humane Society officers are
18 wonderful. They have so much work, they can't handle
19 it. And I give them all the credit in the world. They
20 need help.
21 Now I want to talk about this loan.
22 This loan shouldn't even have been on the agenda, but
23 it is, so we can't do anything about it.
24 Mrs. Fanucci, where do I even start
25 here? You're talking about possibly a $20 million.
1 There should be zero, zero. So, I think this was a
2 deal from day one.
3 We'll ask for $44 and we'll give you
4 $20, we'll all look good. We'll look good because we
5 gave you less than what you wanted, so it looks like we
6 care about the taxpayers. Give them nothing.
7 You sat there and said, Mrs. Fanucci,
8 you sat there and said Council is not doing their job.
9 You're part of Council. I don't see any solutions from
10 you. Mrs. Evans come up with, like, 15 different
11 solutions, but you didn't act upon any one of them.
12 Why? I have no idea. Every one of her ideas were
14 And, Mrs. Gatelli, the same way. I
15 mean, you come up with some wonderful ideas, too, but I
16 don't know. All I know is this, you told me once that
17 it's what you believed.
18 If this dies in Council, it's dead.
19 But I want to know if this dies in Council tonight,
20 could the mayor put this in his budget? Because he's
21 not going to settle for just getting nothing, and
22 that's a scare tactic about these payless paydays.
23 That's a lot of crap.
24 Now, is that true? If this dies
25 tonight, if it does, could he put it in his budget?
1 MS. GATELLI: I don't think so.
2 MS. FRANUS: Mrs. Evans, didn't he also
3 put other loans in -- did he also put other in his
4 budget, loans that he didn't get?
5 MS. EVANS: It could be inserted, I
6 believe, in the budget, but Council will also have to
7 vote on it, and it's my own personal expectation that
8 should tonight's borrowing legislation not be approved,
9 that we will see additional legislation from the
10 administration for a lesser amount of borrowing.
11 MS. FRANUS: There's your deal. Go ask
12 for a lot, give you a little, and everybody thinks that
13 they, you know, they did their job.
14 This is not right. You shouldn't
15 approve anything. If it comes back in the budget,
16 don't approve it. If it comes in front of you for a
17 veto, get four votes against one.
18 If you really want the people to know
19 where you really stand, do the right thing. We've had
20 enough of this politics.
21 Another thing, if somebody's going to
22 speak more than five minutes, Mr. Bolus speaks more
23 than five minutes every week, not a word is said, not a
24 word, but you take people out of here by the police for
25 speaking over.
1 What's good for one is good for
2 everybody. These kids even talk longer than five
3 minutes. Nothing is said.
4 MS. GATELLI: I don't think they do.
5 MS. FRANUS: Oh, I know they do.
6 MS. GATELLI: Do they, Amil?
7 MS. FRANUS: Yes. Do you want me to
8 show you the tapes?
9 MR. MINORA: No. As a matter --
10 MS. GATELLI: I mean, Mr. Bolus
11 finished his sentence.
12 MS. FRANUS: Mr. Bolus finished his
13 paragraphs. All I know is I've seen people taken out
14 of here by the police, which is totally ridiculous.
15 This old man last week, he was reciting The
16 Constitution. I thought it was disgraceful.
17 MS. GATELLI: Well, that's your
19 MS. FRANUS: Yes, it is.
20 MS. GATELLI: And you're entitled to
22 MS. FRANUS: Thank you.
23 MS. GATELLI: You're welcome.
24 MS. FIDATI ADSIT: My name is
25 Annabelle Fidati Adsit. I'm a homeowner. I live in
1 South Scranton. And I regret I have to come here and
2 disagree with Les Spindler, but I do.
3 I just don't think we can ban one breed
4 of animals out there and say that they're called all
5 bad, because they're not.
6 There was a time that the Dobermans
7 were very much feared, and at that time I had a son
8 living out of state and he had two Dobermans. And he
9 called me and said, I'm coming home, Mom. And in came
10 the two Dobermans.
11 Well, I said, My God, I'll have to move
12 out. They're Dobermans. Because that's the mindset.
13 We get this fear of the Doberman, the German Shepard,
14 the police dog, the Rotweillers, but they aren't all
15 the same. Every owner, I believe, is different.
16 Right now there's a person in my family
17 who has a pit bull, and this pit bull was from the
18 pound many years ago. No one wanted him. He's deaf,
19 he can't hear, he doesn't bark, he has a very bad hind
20 leg, and I love him to pieces. He is so wonderful.
21 And the children, no matter what age,
22 they just love him. And for over ten years, he's white
23 , you would never know it by looking at him, but he is
24 a pit bull.
25 But my grandson trained him with such
1 respect for people, children, and the kids love him in
2 his area.
3 So, it's the owner and the
4 responsibility that they have in rearing that dog
5 right. Just like a parent has. You rear the dog the
6 way he should go, you rear the child the way your child
7 should go, and this is what the dog will turn out to
9 If you're going to train him to be
10 vicious, he will be. If you train the dog to be
11 loveable and you love that dog.
12 So, we cannot lump them all together
13 and say, Well, we have to ban this certain breed of
14 animals. I don't agree with that, no. It's almost --
15 MS. GATELLI: Mrs. Fidati, I'm just
16 going to interrupt you for a minute. I don't think
17 anyone on this Council has any intention of banning a
18 breed of dog.
19 MS. FIDATI ADSIT: Oh, I hope not.
20 MS. GATELLI: You know, we don't. So,
21 I don't know where that idea is coming from, but it's
22 not our intent to do that. Our intent is to protect
23 the people, and maybe with the animal control, et
25 MS. FIDATI ADSIT: Right.
1 MS. GATELLI: And Attorney Minora is
2 investigating that. But, please, disregard that notion
3 of banning, because Amil did tell us that we can't do
4 that, and we have no intention of doing that. We're
5 gong to address it in a different manner.
6 MS. FIDATI ADSIT: Right. You're going
7 to get more information, too, you said, right? Well, I
8 just feel that some of them are so wonderful that, you
9 know, it's -- there's so much talk of them being lumped
10 together, that's my point, and they're not all bad.
11 They just aren't. And I've had personal experience
12 with them.
13 And this little one, the only thing I
14 can say about this guy is he sheds white, and that's
15 all right. I have a dark blue rug. I run a vacuum on
16 it when he comes to see me, but he just puts his head
17 on my lap and wants to lick you.
18 And in ten and a half years, he has
19 been a wonderful, wonderful pet to all children all
20 over the neighborhoods. When he visits me, I just love
22 And I never thought I'd ever say that
23 until I got to know this dog ten years ago. So,
24 they're not all bad. And that's all I wanted to say.
25 And thank you very much.
1 MS. GATELLI: Thank you.
2 MR. HEIER: My name is Rich Heier,
3 Scranton taxpayer. In regard to the identity things
4 that were found, mine fortunately was there, but I
5 would like to -- I don't know, Amil, if there's a law
6 broken there or anything, but I think there should be
7 an investigation, and not by a city agency, because we
8 saw what happened on Hollow Avenue, the pictures were
9 all wrong and everybody else was right.
10 MR. MINORA: Rich, if there was to be
11 an investigation, you know, you could bring it to
12 either the AG's Office, to the DA's Office, really the
13 US Attorneys Office. I would guess they would be the
14 other agencies you would bring it to.
15 Frankly off the top of my head, I don't
16 know of a crime that was committed, but I'm certainly
17 not the last word in that. But, you know, it's
18 somewhat appalling.
19 MR. HEIER: And another thing, a little
20 over a week ago I acquired to a high ranking city
21 official because I was unable to get any answers about,
22 I got all these marks on my street, like, for sewer,
23 water, and there's red pins in the middle of the road.
24 I was trying to make an improvement to
25 my property, which would be a driveway, and I can't
1 find out what they're going to do with the street.
2 I called all those agencies, they don't
3 know, and I called the city, and nobody gets back to
5 MS. GATELLI: What street, Richie?
6 MR. HEIER: The six of Grace. Like,
7 they put a cul de sac at the end of the road, and that
8 stops right at my property.
9 And like the guy said, like everybody
10 says, now your troubles begin. It's the rest of the
11 city. We are trying to find out. We would like to get
12 the road milled down to where it used to be and the
13 water could run nice.
14 That's half the problem in The Plot.
15 You can't keep paving roads, because they go up over
16 the curbs. You got to cut them back to where they
17 originally where. I understand they got a machine now
18 that they do that.
19 Because, like, just in that block we
20 had a -- a city inspector was there for an hour and a
21 half one day, and my neighbor got a hold of me and
22 watched him for, like, an hour and a half, and he
23 posted all the buildings that were bought by the flood
24 project and actually were city owned.
25 So, he put a notice on the door that
1 the grass needed to be cut, even though the city owned
2 it, the city was tagging it.
3 So, I called them up and he says,
4 You're right. Cut the grass, and they did. But
5 there's no system. I mean, they're a city-owned
6 property and they're posting it against themselves.
7 I'd like to find out what's going to
8 happen with the street so I can make some improvements,
9 but I can't seem to get an answer.
10 MS. GATELLI: We will ask and see if we
11 can get an answer. Thank you.
12 MR. GERVASI: Good evening, City
13 Council. My name is Dave Gervasi. I'm a firefighter
14 and homeowner in the City of Scranton.
15 At the risk of sounding redundant, once
16 again, I've been reading the paper, and I saw some
17 comments in the paper, and I just want to talk about
18 this $44 million once again.
19 I asked each one of these
20 Councilpeople, all five of you last week, if you saw
21 any of the independent audits, if you saw any of the
22 drafts of the coming up budget, and all five of you to
23 my three questions answered in the negative.
24 And, again, at the risk of sounding
25 redundant, are we going to possibly believe the mayor
1 that he needs this money, that the city is broke?
2 Let me just take you back where past
3 Councils have given him five, six, nine million dollars
4 to borrow every year, where we showed right from the
5 independent audits the city had an operating budget
6 surplus that increased from 1999 to 2004.
7 So, my opinion, I mean, I'm no expert
8 at this, but we had experts look at it. The city was
9 not in debt. The reason for the borrowing, in my
10 opinion, was to spend money above and beyond the
11 operating the city.
12 This $44 million, and everyone said in
13 the negative last week that you don't know where the
14 money is going, what infrastructure projects it's going
15 to be put to, and where most of it's going to go.
16 You really need to be conscious and
17 serious about this entire issue. I mean, are we
18 actually going to possibly believe this guy?
19 Just off the top of my head, I jotted
20 down a few things where he said he was going to reduce
21 the wage tax, and he never did, he was going to improve
23 Well, look around. He was going to go
24 after parking fees, he didn't. He was going to
25 negotiate contracts with us, he didn't.
1 He said there was going to be no
2 arbitrations. There's more arbitrations now than there
3 were in the past three mayors combined.
4 He was going to bid out contracts when
5 a third Council ago took him to task, he didn't. He
6 said he was going to attend Council meetings, he
7 didn't. He was going to lift the distressed status, he
9 He said he was going to raise your
10 taxes if the Recovery Plan if you voted against the
11 Recovery Plan. Four years later, he still didn't raise
12 taxes yet. Was he lying to you? You decide.
13 He said he was against the golf course
14 sale than he was before it when he became mayor. He
15 was gong to go after non-profits, negotiate with them
16 for in lieu of taxes payments. He didn't.
17 There's only two ways that you're going
18 to balance this budget if, in fact, we are in a
19 deficit, that is to increase revenue or make cuts.
20 That's the only two way it could possibly be done.
21 Talk to any accountant with a degree in these things.
22 That's the only way you can do it.
23 Borrowing is not going to take care of
24 the city's finances. All borrowing is going to do, in
25 my opinion, is give him more money to spend because he
1 has a pattern of giving no-bid contracts, jobs,
2 patronage jobs, loans to campaign contributors. That's
3 what he's done.
4 It's been the pattern. You cannot deny
5 it. It's all right there. Don't give him any more
7 When he said he needed the CRF loans,
8 remember the big emergency, got to get it done, a few
9 unions came here asking for it.
10 Mr. Courtright, I think a few weeks
11 ago, there's about, what, $1.2 million of it spent so
12 far a year later? Had to have that money right off the
14 Or you can listen to PEL who comes here
15 with their little scripted presentations, you know, the
16 same PEL who's been here for 14 years and counting, and
17 we're in worse financial condition, supposedly, than we
18 were that got us distressed in the first place in 1992.
19 So, we're going to listen to them.
20 Well, I wouldn't listen to them. And as a matter of
21 fact, the mayor apparently doesn't think PEL is that
22 credible either, because during our arbitration, he
23 spent $40,000 on a firm called PFM to tell our
24 arbitrator during our arbitration that the city was
25 broke, and we sent them on their way, because they got
1 their information from the city, from the business
2 administrator, from the mayor, just like you're getting
3 your information from the business administrator and
4 the mayor, unlike if you looked at the independent
6 I'm just going to read one thing here
7 that a very famous person here in the City of Scranton
8 said on December 30 of 2003. As mayor, I must live off
9 the city's financial balance sheet and run the city by
10 the numbers.
11 When the time comes to make a decision,
12 the numbers indicate that a certain amount of money is
13 all I can spend, because it is not my money. It
14 belongs to the taxpayers.
15 These limitations are the same for all
16 cities who commit to live within their fiscal means.
17 The author of that was Chris Doherty. He should live
18 by his words. Thank you.
19 MR. ANCHERANI: Good evening, Council.
20 I'm Nelson Ancherani, resident, taxpayer, financial
21 secretary of the FOP. I'm going to exercise my First
22 Amendment rights.
23 The mayor and newspaper and
24 Pennsylvania Economy League have been blaming the
25 unions for the deficits since the current mayor took
1 office in 2002.
2 The mayor's been saying that he needs
3 the recovery plan in place to be able to cut expenses.
4 I believe Len Kresefski said the same thing at the
5 North Scranton Neighborhood Association this past week.
6 All he has to do to stop cut -- or all
7 he has to do to cut expenses is to stop the way he
8 spends money. Cancel the raises he gave out and
9 eliminate the new hires.
10 I went through the budgets, 2001 to
11 2006, and focused on the police wages. In 2001, we had
12 159 officers but it wasn't really broken down between
13 the 140 by contract and 19 federal.
14 So, I will start with 2002, 140
15 officers, $3,600,999, that's the wages. The year
16 after, $3,560,980, it dropped.
17 The year after that, $3,288,657, it
18 dropped again. In 2005, $3,518,810, it went up.
19 In 2006, $3,632,843, it went up again.
20 Why it went up for those two years, 2005 and 2006? I
21 don't know. It should have been the same. And that's
22 for 140 officers. That's their wages, okay? Not too
23 much of a difference there, so basically staying the
25 It should be noted that for 2003, four
1 and five, wages for the superintendent of police,
2 police chief, which are $48,169, were deducted from
3 those years' wages. That's because he's not in the
4 bargaining unit. He was removed from that.
5 And federal officers also decreased
6 from 159 -- or from 19 in 2001, 29 in 2002, down to
7 seven in 2005, and ten in 2006.
8 I'm just going to add a little bit more
9 to the wages of the police for us to count in for how
10 much we -- what we're getting, and if it's increased.
11 If hasn't. Longevity is decreased.
12 In 2003, it was $438,000 down to 997
13 down to $363,250. Overtime decreased. Court
14 appearances decreased. Uniforms decreased.
15 What did go up was health insurance and
16 police, but they've got everybody lumped in. They have
17 people that are animal control, your clerks, everybody
18 lumped into that.
19 Sure, they're saying it went up, but
20 they also want us police officers to pay for the
21 retired and they want us to pay for administration.
22 And the increases can be explained,
23 because Mayor Doherty fired the health care consultant.
24 She saved $7 million. He fired her. Why? Because she
25 saved money? I mean, I don't know.
1 I mean, if somebody saved that much
2 money, I think we would want to keep that person.
3 Sure, we have another health care consultant. If
4 they'd give him the information, maybe they could do
6 I know my co-pays went down. I know
7 that health -- the original health care consultant
8 saved money. She saved us money.
9 Len Kresefski at the caucus meeting
10 said that it cost the city $76,000, approximately
11 $76,000 per each firemen that the city has on their
13 I'd like to challenge him and say, Show
14 me where. I would like him to show everybody here
15 where. We're getting the blame. I would like to see
16 where and why we're getting the blame. The figures in
17 the budget don't show why we should be getting the
18 blame. We should not.
19 As for the $44 million, I know when in
20 2004 at the end of the year, Mr. McTiernan knew someone
21 who couldn't afford the job tax, the $52 tax.
22 You voted for it the next year, but now
23 this year, two years later, the city is looking for $44
24 million, and I believe Mr. McTiernan might be for that.
25 I just hope that person, who was a
1 person that couldn't forward it, I hope that person can
2 afford the $44 million, because I don't know if the
3 rest of us could. Thank you.
4 MS. GATELLI: Thank you.
5 MS. KRAKE: Good evening, Council. My
6 name is Nancy Krake. Obviously I don't think we should
7 vote for the $44 million, but I would like to bring
8 your attention to Item 5-B, and I think this brings the
9 reason that we need $44 million, is that this is a very
10 good example of how this money has been ill spent for
11 the past six years.
12 We're asking for a transfer to
13 professional services to cover legal fees. Okay.
14 Apparently the $250,000 in the 2006 budget wasn't
15 enough, and the $214,000 for salaries in that
16 department wasn't enough.
17 So, now we're taking $60,000 from the
18 $150,000 that's in capital expenditures for the IT
19 Department, which, by the way, was $720,000 last year.
20 That's incredible. Over six years, I might add, that's
21 just been ballooning.
22 Not only do they have $150,000 in
23 capital expenditures in the IT department, which we've
24 just depleted now by $60,000, we also have $130,000 in
25 professional services.
1 It's mind boggling. This is just one
2 department interfacing with another department. Can
3 you imagine what you will find when you take a good
4 hard look and come up with your own budget?
5 So, Council, I would also like you to
6 remember that the Pennsylvania Economy League does want
7 us to borrow the money. They'd like us to borrow the
8 money, because the more money we borrow, the more we
9 are in debt. And the longer we are in debt, the longer
10 they keep their jobs, the biggest municipal account in
11 the State of Pennsylvania for a consulting firm, who
12 we're not paying out of the general fund directly.
13 But, once again, as Mrs. Gatelli
14 brought up earlier, we are paying for that through our
15 taxes to the state.
16 And my other favorite topic, another
17 huge amount of money the mayor created, when a contract
18 for the clerical union was negotiated without me, which
19 I did not sign, $670,000 is what the city will be
20 paying for the non-uniform pension for 2007 alone. It
21 used to be $25,000.
22 This amount of money has grown over the
23 past two years from $440,000 to over $500 to now over
24 $600 ,000. I'm floored at this.
25 I thought it was going to be -- it's --
1 as devastating enough as it was at $400,000, I could
2 see it's now $670,000. This is for at least the next
3 20 years while these people are still with us. It's a
4 gift that keeps on giving. Thank you, Mayor Doherty.
5 MS. GATELLI: Mrs. Krake, I just have
6 one question. When is the clerical contract up?
7 MS. KRAKE: Our contract is up at the
8 end of this year.
9 MS. GATELLI: This year?
10 MS. KRAKE: Yes.
11 MS. GATELLI: Okay. Thank you.
12 MS. GARVEY: 5-A, Motions.
13 MS. GATELLI: Mrs. Evans.
14 MS. EVANS: Good evening. I ask for
15 your prayers for the victims of the school shooting,
16 the Amish school in Lancaster tonight and for their
17 families, as well.
18 I'd like to begin by announcing the
19 opening of a new business in Downtown Scranton,
20 Maryann's Closet, at 312 North Washington Avenue. They
21 specialize in gift baskets for all occasion. I wish
22 them great success in their new endeavors.
23 A legislative update on the EMS Tax.
24 On September 13, the House Finance Committee held
25 hearings on the EMS Tax at which the Pennsylvania
1 League of Cities requested that no amendments to the
2 tax would be effected for 2007.
3 However, if there were agreement by the
4 general assembly to make amendments effective the
5 following year, 2008, the following amendments are
6 proposed, a name change to the local services tax, a
7 mandatory $12,000 low income exemption on all sources,
8 a withholding schedule that collects the tax over the
9 first four paychecks of the year, a separate provision
10 for employees who make less than $130-gross per
11 paycheck, and most fortunate of all, particularly for
12 those of us who reside in Scranton, a uniform refund
14 Attorney Minora, do you know if a city
15 resident can sue the city in small claims court for
16 reimbursement for repair to property, the destruction
17 of which was caused by the city?
18 MR. MINORA: Well, as you've described
19 it, it sounds like they can. The problem isn't suing
20 the city so much as collecting from the city after
21 you've sued them.
22 MS. EVANS: Well, let us say that you
23 would be seeking damages in the amount of the repair to
24 your property.
25 MR. MINORA: As you've described it
1 where they're responsible for the damage, I would say
2 of course. I don't know the specifics of what you're
3 talking about, but --
4 MS. EVANS: Well --
5 MR. MINORA: Your description sort of
6 answers itself. Where they're responsible, they're
7 responsible, yes.
8 MS. EVANS: If, for example, a road is
9 paved by the city, and in so doing a curb is destroyed
10 in front of a home and never replaced, and now as a
11 result, the property floods during each rain event and
12 the city, though contacted countless times, it refuses
13 to address the situation, is that resident able to seek
14 damages in small claims court?
15 MR. MINORA: You're asking me for my
16 judgment. I think certainly they can seek them.
17 Whether or not they can win -- there's exemptions, as
18 you know, for a municipality from liability in certain
20 Maintaining real estate is not one of
21 those exemptions generally speaking. So, I can only
22 speak in generalities to it. I guess the answer is,
23 try -- you know, file your claim and see what a judge
25 MS. EVANS: Thank you. I also wish to
1 thank Mr. Pete Broad and the officers and members of
2 the Sloan Little League Association for donating a
3 check for $110 to Brian Kusick's Eagle Scout project
4 from their recent 50/50 raffle.
5 I'm going to add my check to this, and
6 Mrs. Fanucci has also generously donated to this
7 project, which is erecting a flag pole on East Mountain
8 at the fire station on Veteran's Day. And those checks
9 will be sent to Brian Kusick this weekend.
10 Next, I wish to thank Kay Garvey for
11 sending letters to Governor Rendell and all of our
12 local legislators requesting their support for Senate
13 Bill 1054 on October 2.
14 Council hopes that Pennsylvania will
15 join its 48 sister states in disseminating sex offender
16 information through the Megan's Law website.
17 In addition, we have received the
18 legislation currently under consideration in the
19 Borough of Dunmore, and it is my belief that in the
20 very near future this Council will entertain similar
22 Next, a few items of housekeeping.
23 First, I inquired at our last meeting about the removal
24 of fliers or posting advertising yard and estate sales
25 following the events.
1 I received the following information,
2 according to the code of the City of Scranton, Article
3 One, bill posting, Section 140, paragraph three, No
4 person shall paint, print, post or in any way affix any
5 picture, bill or advertising matter of any kind upon
6 any post, hydrant, curb, sidewalk or other public
7 improvement in any public ground or street, nor upon
8 any bridge or part of the same, nor upon public
9 building, structures or erections of any kind belonging
10 to the city, nor upon any mast or pole in any street or
11 alley erected or used for supporting or conducting any
12 wire or cable or incidental thereto, nor upon any tree,
13 lamppost or any structure or erection of any kind
14 within the limits of any public street or ground in the
15 city, unless expressed consent shall have been first
16 granted by the director of the Department of Public
18 So, what I learned from asking the
19 question was that our problem doesn't appear to be so
20 much with the removal of these advertisements, as it is
21 with the posting of the advertisements. It violates
22 the code.
23 Second, I received a response from
24 Mrs. Dixon, the principal of Northeast Intermediate
25 School who handled the after school and off school
1 property situation immediately and according to school
3 A police report was also filed the same
4 day. Mrs. Dixon requests that any further reports of
5 disturbances by students come directly to her to
6 expedite process. I thank Principal Dixon for her
7 prompt and helpful reply.
8 I also have some requests for the week.
9 A letter to the mayor, under the terms of the state
10 guaranteed energy savings act, what are the stated
11 required uses of a municipal rebate, if any?
12 Further, I request a written response
13 by October 18, 2006 in accordance with your public
14 statements at the caucus meeting in September 14, 2006.
15 Another letter to the mayor, on
16 September 14, 2006, Scranton City Council unanimously
17 approved a motion to forward you a letter of request
18 for information from Director of OECD Ms. Hailstone.
19 Ms. Hailstone previously had received
20 two letters of requests for information which she could
21 not supply without your approval.
22 According to your public statements at
23 the caucus meeting of September 14, 2006, you agreed
24 that department heads have your approval to respond to
25 all Councilpersons' requests.
1 With this in mind, Council reminds you
2 to direct Ms. Hailstone to provide written responses t
3 requests for information. And, Kay, if you would
4 please attach the letters of July and August to this
5 particular letter of request.
6 And the questions certain an issue that
7 was raised earlier this evening by one of the speakers.
8 That would be number one, if a business ceases to
9 operate and the business is renting office space within
10 a building in Downtown Scranton, and this particular
11 business has in the past obtained a loan through OECD,
12 who now is responsible for payment of that loan?
13 I also requested a complete list of all
14 of the recipients of loans from the OECD office since
15 the year 2000, I believe, and I would like that to
16 include a list of all of those who are in delinquency
17 or default of payment, yet, even with the mayor's
18 approval, public approval, I've still not received that
20 A letter to Mr. Kresefski, following
21 the public caucus of September 14, 2006, you were given
22 a list of questions drafted by citizens and taxpayers
23 of Scranton. I would appreciate a written response to
24 these financial questions so that Council may provide
25 this information to our taxpayers.
1 A letter to Mr. Fiorini, 3244-3248
2 Pittston Avenue, please direct the DPW to board up the
3 bottom floor of this abandoned home. The residents of
4 the block are very fearful, since they've observed
5 strangers entering the house during evening hours. And
6 I was in contact with inspectors about that particular
8 A letter to the pave cut inspector,
9 I've been notified by numerous city residents that pave
10 cuts and other poor road conditions caused by utility
11 companies in the performance of their duties and
12 responsibilities have not been repaired to date.
13 I specifically refer you to the
14 1400-block of Rundle Street, Diamond Avenue off of
15 Providence Road, Foster Street and Euclid Avenue
16 between Dorothy and Bullwer Street.
17 It is my understanding that these
18 streets will be paved and that other pave cuts citywide
19 will be restored to their original condition. I would
20 appreciate your assistance in this matter, and I
21 request a written response.
22 Also reported were Boulevard Avenue,
23 Popular Street by Prep and Cedar Avenue from Brook
24 Street to Breck Street. When will these side streets
25 of South Side be paved?
1 A letter to Mr. Parker, the rear of 610
2 Meadow Avenue, the city paved the court behind this
3 residence without placing a lip on the outer edge.
4 Consequently, rainwater pours into the homeowner's
5 garage. Please finish this as soon as possible.
6 Now, I know just a few moments ago I
7 posed a question to Attorney Minora about just this
8 situation, however, this was not the location to which
9 I was referring. Unfortunately, there are too many
10 locations to even keep track of at this point in time.
11 I also request a response to the
12 installation of curbing and a storm water drain at 1427
13 Birch Street. I have contacted you numerous times
14 since June 2006, and have never received the courtesy
15 of a reply.
16 I left a voice mail asking you to
17 contact the homeowner, to visit the location in
18 July 2006, and you failed to do so. I respectfully
19 request a response to these problems by October 11,
21 And frankly, I have to say, I've grown
22 very weary of waiting.
23 I wish to also correct some unusual
24 statements I've read in this week's newspaper. First,
25 no Councilperson should speak for the Council as a
1 whole to the news media or any gathering of people when
2 outside the presence of Council. Certainly any member
3 can and should speak for himself, but not for the
4 Council as a body.
5 We as a Council haven't been able to
6 come up with a real solution, and the things we've
7 thrown out there wouldn't begin to help.
8 Well, despite what the paper believes,
9 are they not listening? To the contrary, as a
10 Councilperson, I have put forth more than ten measures
11 to be used to decrease the expenditures and debt of our
12 city and to raise revenue.
13 I have outlined how the Doherty debt
14 was born and raised over the last five years. Mrs.
15 Gatelli, in addition, has also suggested numerous good
16 valid ideas for raising revenue and cutting costs.
17 I've presented my plans and suggestions
18 for three years. Before they are, once again, tossed
19 into the trash, in favor of maintaining the status quo,
20 prove that they won't begin to help, because I can
21 prove that they will.
22 Prove to me that you have tried to
23 generate new sources of revenue. Stop apologizing for
24 the non-profits.
25 Prove to me you need to borrow money
1 for the operating budget for the fourth consecutive
2 year and the next three years. Prove it with a final
3 and complete audit and three budgets, those of 2007,
4 2008 and 2009.
5 Mr. Doherty says he hasn't heard from
6 Council. False. I know Mrs. Fanucci states that she
7 has met with him more than once, and I have no doubt
8 that he is fully aware of my position to make
9 discretionary cuts and share the people's pain. The
10 accurate statement of stalemate in this situation is
11 quite simple really.
12 Mr. Doherty acknowledges that only his
13 plan to borrow and spend his way in and out of debt for
14 eight years is workable.
15 Because this mayor has continued to
16 grow his Doherty debt, we will not escape tax increases
17 for many years, and most importantly, we must remember
18 who caused this.
19 Each year that we pay more to this
20 city, remember who charged up the bills, the over $200
21 million of long-term debt, and some of that debt, some
22 of the borrowing that has occurred at this point, I
23 cannot even locate in the audit.
24 And if additional borrowing occurs,
25 particularly to the tune of $44 million, ladies and
1 gentlemen, you will find yourselves over one-quarter of
2 a billion dollars in debt.
3 Now, the bottom line is, and I said it
4 earlier, you must be in charge, you must be in the
5 position of leadership to create a debt and to solve a
6 debt. You can't hand that responsibility solely over
7 to City Council.
8 The best measures this Council can take
9 are to stop the budgetary borrowing. Cut the fat. We
10 don't need consultants and lawyers to help us through
11 these deficits, because they are two reasons, two
12 enormous reasons, for this deficit. And Council should
13 look seriously at generating new sources of revenue.
14 Now, the mayor says we have a
15 responsibility to close this year's gap, and I'm
16 quoting him here, And I will continue to look for
17 long-term solutions, end quote.
18 What he's really saying is, Council has
19 the responsibility to give me more money, and I will
20 continue to spend for the long-term. Sorry, no deal.
21 That's it.
22 MS. GATELLI: Mrs. Fanucci.
23 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: My first -- I want
24 to make a motion, but to give you a little bit of input
25 on what is going on, I have been called by numerous
1 people, and I'm not going to speak for Council, but I'd
2 like to say that I think we've all dealt with this
3 issue where in City Hall people are calling and they
4 are not getting any response at all. The machines are
5 picking up constantly.
6 This has been a constant problem for us
7 here, because what happens, they get on a machine, they
8 leave a message, they do not get called back.
9 Well, the people in the city deserve to
10 have their concerns heard and answered, and they
11 deserve to be attended to. That is what we do. We are
12 a service industry.
13 The departments need to start picking
14 up the phone and stop using the answering machine as
15 part of their daily ritual.
16 At one time I understand it was
17 believed to be a better system. You know, businesses
18 did this, they used their machines, they got back to
19 people later. But there's so many people falling
20 through the holes here and not getting the attention
22 So, in the form of a motion, I would
23 like to revisit the old practice of answering the
24 telephones in City Hall. All departments while in the
25 office are designated one person in their department to
1 answer all calls. If that person is on the phone,
2 someone else should answer the phone.
3 All departments are to keep a log of
4 complaints and issues that will be sent to City Council
5 monthly. This is the way we can keep on top of some
6 little problems we have.
7 Sorry, Kay, this has nothing to do with
8 our office.
9 MS. EVANS: We answer the phone.
10 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: You always answer
11 the phone.
12 MS. EVANS: Neil answers the phone, Sue
13 answers the phone.
14 MS. GARVEY: Could we have another
15 worker in our office to do this?
16 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: That might be my
17 next motion. But this is something I can't believe I
18 have to do in the form of a motion, but it needs to be
19 done. We need to have better communication with the
20 people we represent. So, that's is my motion.
21 MS. EVANS: I'll second it.
22 MS. GATELLI: Yeah, we'll all second
24 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Okay. That's very
25 nice. Thank you.
1 MS. GATELLI: On the question?
2 MS. EVANS: My only concern is will
3 they adhere to this, because it's an issue by City
4 Council and not the mayor, because City Council holds
5 no ability to hire or fire.
6 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: But we are
7 legislative and we can legislate enough to say this is
8 the legislation.
9 MS. EVANS: Oh, I agree with you.
10 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: So, I mean --
11 MS. EVANS: I'm not opposed to it.
12 MS. GATELLI: We can do a policy for
13 the DPW, we'll do a policy for the phones.
14 MS. EVANS: Oh, absolutely. I agree.
15 But, again, my concern is that people have ignored
16 Council's requests and legislation, and the response is
17 always, I work for the mayor, not Council.
18 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Well, we legislate
19 for the city and we are legislating --
20 MS. GATELLI: They work for the city.
21 MS. EVANS: Oh, I agree. They're paid
22 by the taxpayers.
23 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: I don't know what
24 will happen. We will know by monthly --
25 MS. EVANS: Let's try.
1 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: We'll know by
2 monthly, right, if we start getting information that we
3 requested. And if not, let's just say we call and just
4 find out. Let's just keep calling the departments.
5 So, that is my motion.
6 MS. GATELLI: Anyone else on the
7 question? All in favor.
8 MS. EVANS: Aye.
9 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Aye.
10 MR. MCTIERNAN: Aye.
11 MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.
12 MS. GATELLI: Aye. Opposed? The ayes
13 have it and so moved. Unanimous, Miss Lisa.
14 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: I want to speak a
15 little bit on the no smoking ban. Last week we had a
16 wonderful presentation, everybody has heard it by now
17 by the students.
18 Well, I've been in contact with Mr.
19 Michael Nutter, who is a former City Council member of
20 Philadelphia. He was instrumental in writing the law
21 and the legislation out there for the no smoking ban.
22 And this is an important ordinance.
23 I'd liked Philadelphia's ordinance, and I had given a
24 copy to our solicitor, and he's looking it over and
25 we're trying to see what provisions we have to make and
1 revisions for our city.
2 This is a great piece of legislation.
3 I like Philly's, as opposed to New York's. It's not as
4 binding and strict. It gives people options.
5 I'm going to give you just a few of the
6 highlights, just so that people understand. Maybe my
7 phone calls will be a little bit less than on the panic
9 But what this is is prohibits smoking
10 in work places, galleries, sports facilities,
11 restaurants and most bars. But here is where the
12 exception is.
13 Outdoor cafes, obviously you can smoke
14 it, but private clubs and bars that have 90 percent of
15 the income comes from alcoholic drink sales, they
16 comply for an exemption.
17 Now, this is Philly's law. This is not
18 our law. This is just some of the things we're
19 throwing around.
20 And then if you do have that, you might
21 need to apply for a waiver if you're not a food
23 So, really what we're looking for and
24 what we're targeting is trying to target food.
25 Now, the fines range from $25 to $300
1 in Philly, so that's something we're looking into. And
2 also, you cannot smoke right outside the building.
3 They want you 20 to 30 feet away. That's another thing
4 from the entrance.
5 So, I mean, we're tossing this around
6 and nothing is written in stone here, and we're just
7 looking into ways to see -- even if this is something
8 that fits for us, but we are doing the research, and I
9 have been in contact with him, and he's been a great
11 He also has a strict piece of
12 legislation that he tried to get passed in Philly and
13 had it not really -- didn't really work out for him.
14 So, I actually looked at the later of the two.
15 And I would like to thank James Kane,
16 who's the regional director for the cancer control,
17 he's the director here. I want to thank him for all
18 his information, as well as Tony Dellefante from the
19 American Lung Association. They gave me a lot of help,
20 and they're trying to help direct this whole project.
21 So, I want to thank them again.
22 Okay. Onto the big elephant in the
23 room. The $44 million loan is too much, I said it from
24 day one. That's not saying we don't need to borrow. I
25 wish I could say that.
1 We had a 2006 budget that was sent from
2 the administration and amended by the previous Council
3 four to one. This included an increase in five jobs.
4 It also included to help raise the solicitor's salary,
5 yeah for you, Amil, and it was signed by Council, sent
6 back to the mayor and passed.
7 This also included six and a half
8 million dollar hole. We hate it. We'd like to say it
9 wasn't there. It was there and signed. I know it
10 bothers everyone, and they say that the money is where
11 it's supposed to be, whatever.
12 It was signed. There was a hole in the
13 budget at that time. Whether or not you find it, I
14 would love for you to go out and find that money for
15 us, but that was signed. So, right now we have to pay
16 that money.
17 Now, if we don't, I know that I hear
18 payless workdays is something that we've been talking
19 about in deciding whether that is a good idea or not.
20 I am not for that. I will never be for that. I do not
21 want that to be an issue for us.
22 And I'm going to say that saying no is
23 not enough. I know that we have solutions. I know
24 that we've come together and we've talked about
1 But for that part of it right now, a
2 budget that was passed, that is an issue, $6 is not
3 there. This is not time to dig or heels in or take a
4 firm stance. I don't believe in that either. It's
5 time to work and compromise.
6 Everybody keeps saying about, You know,
7 Mrs. Franus got up tonight, and I love that, that the
8 mayor did not want $44 million. Yeah, he did. He
9 wants $44 million.
10 To say that we're trying to compromise
11 and come to this big secret thing, it's actually --
12 it's amusing to me, because quite frankly, $44 million
13 was the plan.
14 I will not let us default on the TAN, I
15 won't. It's something I cannot even say is an issue
16 for me, because that will affect our borrowing for the
17 next five years. It is not something that's feasible
18 for our city.
19 I do believe in development. I don't
20 believe that we should all go to the poor house for
21 development, but I believe it is a way to help build
22 our tax base.
23 And I do believe if we lose our bond
24 rating, it will be the worse situation that we could be
1 80 percent of our budget goes to our
2 employees in the city, 80 percent. That's not a bad
3 thing. It's reality. Is that bad or good? No, it
4 doesn't matter. It's 80 percent of the money we have
5 in our budget goes to our employees, unionized,
6 non-unionized, whatever.
7 At least 20 percent of our total budget
8 to put into perspective for people out there,
9 20 percent of our budget. That's all we're talking
10 about that's free.
11 That goes -- $4 million goes to
12 Worker's Comp. right now. The rest includes paying our
13 debt service, capital expenditures and utilities.
14 These are the numbers I got. I see Mr.
15 Ancherani desperately trying to make sure I am proved
16 wrong, but these are the numbers I've been working
17 with. And, you know, that's the reality I have in
18 front of me.
19 Whether or not I can say this is a
20 definite, what's a definite? I mean, I hear people
21 come up here, they think they're definite. These are
22 the numbers that are in front of us that we dealt with
23 last year.
24 I'm going to work hard the next, this
25 is my reality, I want to say I want to work hard and
1 committed to find a solution.
2 We want to raise revenue, we want
3 revenue to come into the city, it's something we all
4 want. This is not something that we're trying to
6 I want to be part of the solution, and
7 I want to sit with the administration, and I'm going to
8 continue to sit with them, but I am definitely for some
9 type of borrowing right now. I'm not going to lie and
10 say I'm not. I believe that that's in the best
11 interest of the taxpayers.
12 If I have to face a tax increase for
13 everyone out there or borrowing, I'm going to go for
14 the borrowing. I know I didn't ride the bus and find
15 out what, you know, listen to the people you listened
16 to, but I do -- people must think I live in a vacuum
17 and I don't get pulled over at the grocery store and
18 everything else.
19 People tell me just the opposite that
20 everyone's hearing, which is not unlikely for the five
21 Council members. We always have opposing views.
22 That's what it's about.
23 That's really all I have. I am not
24 going to vote for $44. I think it's too much. I think
25 it's four years, which is too long for me to decide on
1 saying, well, we're not going to have money in four
2 years. I'd like to find a solution for the next few
3 years that maybe we can try to bring in some revenue.
4 The non-profits is a huge thing that we
5 all discuss all the time. Pittsburgh was huge and
6 instrumental in bringing in a lot of money with their
7 non-profits, but at the end of the day, they actually
8 ended up with less money than they ended up with
9 collecting in the beginning, because the non-profits
10 got mad and sort of just pulled away.
11 So, that is a problem I'm worried
12 about, also. I don't believe in free rides for our
13 city, but I do believe that we are all in this
14 together. And if you're getting a free ride and I'm
15 not, I'm not necessarily going to say that you still
16 aren't impacting what goes on here.
17 I'm also not going to say that we have
18 many people in our city that are helping to bring in
19 revenue and helping to bring in money so that we can
20 all have jobs.
21 We might not have the highest paying
22 jobs, but I do believe that in every place in America,
23 there are people who do small jobs and people who have
24 big jobs. And it doesn't matter. And we all have to
25 be here together, and there's a need for all of them.
1 And that is all I have. Thank you.
2 MS. GATELLI: Thank you. Mr.
4 MR. MCTIERNAN: I have nothing at this
5 time, Mrs. Gatelli. Thank you.
6 MS. GATELLI: Mr. Courtright.
7 MR. COURTRIGHT: Kay, I don't believe
8 we brought up these potholes yet, and I've -- sorry.
9 And I've gotten several calls about this. This is at
10 Parrot Avenue and Fellows near the West Scranton Middle
11 School. If we can look into that, I'd appreciate it.
12 I asked a couple weeks ago for the --
13 to find out where this golf course money is, and I
14 don't know what the big secret here, and I don't know
15 what the problem is, why they're not telling us.
16 MS. GATELLI: Make a motion.
17 MR. COURTRIGHT: I made a motion. It
18 passed five nothing and it fell on deaf ears. So, I'm
19 really against doing this type of thing, but I'm going
20 to ask Mr. Minora to kind of look into this week and
21 find out what other recourse I have. I'm just asking
22 for some simple information.
23 MS. EVANS: I think maybe the day will
24 soon arrive, Mr. Courtright, where it's going to be
25 necessary to subpoena department heads to get some
1 answers to questions, because I know that, and I'm a
2 very patient woman, I have to be, I teach, and I had
3 four children, however, my patience is worn very, very
5 And frankly, at this point I feel that
6 the people of Scranton who are asking these questions
7 and have these problems, and I as their representative,
8 and everyone else who sits here as their representative
9 who has not been answered, we are all being
10 disrespected, and I'm not accepting that anymore.
11 So, if it takes the law to get you in
12 here to answer some questions, then I really think we
13 should exercise our Council privileges.
14 MR. COURTRIGHT: So, Mr. Minora, I
15 don't know, I lost my train of thought there.
16 MS. EVANS: I'm sorry.
17 MR. COURTRIGHT: That's okay.
18 MS. EVANS: I went on a rant, because I
19 have had it up to here.
20 MS. GATELLI: Well, rant on your own
22 MS. EVANS: I can't --
23 MS. GATELLI: You can have motions
24 again. Write the notes down. It is, because you do
25 lose your train of thought.
1 MR. COURTRIGHT: Whatever it is you
2 could find out for me.
3 MR. MINORA: I just received a
4 preliminary audit from Rossi and Company. I presume
5 somewhere in that audit the money is in some account,
6 and what I'll try and do is either call Mr. Kresefski
7 myself, meet with him, or just have him deliver the
8 information to you. It should be in here.
9 MR. COURTRIGHT: And I know people are
10 going to be looking for specific answers, and I don't
11 what the big secret is, to be honest with you. So,
12 hopefully we will get that.
13 MR. MINORA: It's a likely document,
14 and I was thumbing through it as we were talking here,
15 but I, you know, I need a lot more time than just
16 thumbing through it.
17 MR. COURTRIGHT: Yeah, okay. You know,
18 last week Mrs. Gatelli said I live in the worst part of
19 the city, South Side, and I just want to tell her that
20 I think the armed robbers and the people carrying guns
21 don't know where South Side is, because they all ended
22 up in West Side.
23 In the last two weeks we've had --
24 MS. GATELLI: Well, it's just that the
25 crimes in South Side aren't reported.
1 MR. COURTRIGHT: Okay. Five, five
2 armed robberies in West Side in two weeks, PNC Bank,
3 14th Avenue, Lackawanna Avenue, Washburn Street, and
4 last night another armed robbery on Meridian Avenue.
5 So, I don't know what we're going to
6 do, but something needs to be done. Five armed
7 robberies in two weeks is just not acceptable.
8 And, again, they'll probably be saying
9 I'm doing scare tactic, but I don't think the people
10 need me to bring it up to be afraid. I think they're
11 afraid. I think we need to do something about it.
12 I got a cartoon pointed out to me this
13 morning that The Times ran, and I guess it has our
14 heads in a hole in the ground, and I don't normally
15 comment on the paper, but I don't know.
16 It seems like any time something bad
17 happens in this city, it's either this Council or it's
18 the clerical or the DPW or the police or fire unions
19 that caused the problem. We're to blame for
20 everything. If they just get rid of all of us, I guess
21 it will go away.
22 But I've never seen the paper ever,
23 ever blame Mr. Doherty for anything, and I just ask
24 this question here, If such a wonderful job is being
25 done, how come we're borrowing millions and millions of
1 dollar years after year? I just don't think it's fair
2 that we take all the blame.
3 Are we to blame for some of it? Maybe
4 we're to blame for some of it, but not all of it. Come
5 on, let's be honest, a little bit honest at least.
6 And now on a nice note, I got a card
7 from the Downtown Seniors Center, and they sent me a
8 letter, and if you don't mind, I would like to read it.
9 It's short.
10 And it's addressed to me. It says, The
11 Downtown Senior Center would like to thank Mr. Doug
12 Miller and Mr. Lee Morgan for taking time out of their
13 busy schedule to assist the seniors in a project that
14 was very important to the center.
15 Mr. Doug Miller fine is a fine young
16 man that took the time out of his summer vacation to do
17 a great service for the older adults of Scranton.
18 You'll like this, Doug.
19 One day we'd like to see a young man of
20 his caliber on City Council or in politics. It goes on
21 to say that Mr. Morgan is always a gentleman and
22 willing to give a helping hand whenever asked, a man
23 that always goes for the underdog and some of the
24 seniors appreciate.
25 And we consider both men a friend of
1 seniors in Scranton and thank you. And it's signed
2 from Dee, she's the executive director down that the
3 Senior Center, and Joe. Doug, I'll save this and give
4 this to you. I'm sure it's something you'll want.
5 Also, last week, I guess there's a
6 little discussion about the police officer being at the
7 meeting, and that we have one at school board meetings.
8 To the best my knowledge, the one at
9 the school board meeting is an extra duty guy that's
10 being paid for by the school district, that that's the
11 understanding I have. And if I'm incorrect, please
12 correct me on that.
13 The Schmidt plaque, Mrs. Evans brought
14 it up a long time ago, and I brought it up myself, and
15 I talked to Mr. Brazil on more than one occasion about
16 it, and he absolutely has no problem with putting the
17 plaque up.
18 And I was supposed to be getting the
19 information from the family member, they just haven't
20 come forth with the information yet. He said as soon
21 as we get the information, he will be happy to get the
22 plaque made.
23 MS. EVANS: That's wonderful.
24 MR. COURTRIGHT: And one last thing,
25 you would think that we would be happy in this city if
1 we were getting our roads paved, well, they're paving
2 miles of Main Avenue, and I got complaints from two
3 people that they're paving Main Avenue and they're not
4 paving their road.
5 And so, I just want to let it be known,
6 it's not the city paving those roads, it's the utility.
7 They dug them up, so they're paying them. So, maybe
8 you'll have to wait until they dig your road up to get
9 it paved. But it's not the city, it's the utilities.
10 And that's all I have, Mrs. Gatelli. Thank you.
11 MS. GATELLI: Thank you. I'd just like
12 to say that I finally received a response from
13 Mr. Kresefski. I had asked him if we went along with
14 the $44 million loan, what would it cost per taxpayer,
15 not per resident, but per taxpayer?
16 And it would cost property owners an
17 additional $122.75 per year. Now, on my tax bill,
18 that's about a quarter of my city tax, which is a
19 25 percent increase.
20 If the wage tax was increased to
21 generate $3 million, the wage tax would increase from
22 $2.4 to $2.7. So, I know Mr. Quinn was looking for
23 that information, and I will call him tomorrow. If
24 he's not tuned in this evening, and let him know what
25 the ramifications would be if we borrowed $44 million.
1 I have a few more complaints, but I'll
2 give those to Kay tomorrow when I talk to her.
3 I'd just like to say that, as you know,
4 I'm not in favor of the $44 million, I'm not in favor
5 of $20 million, but I have not studied the audit yet,
6 and there are people who I respect greatly that are in
7 accounting services that I want to meet with early next
9 I am being told that the last budget
10 was short by $6 million, and it was approved. I don't
11 know how you approve a budget that's not balanced. I
12 didn't think we were allowed to do that. But
13 nonetheless, I want to check into that, why a budget
14 was approved last year that had a $6 million hole in
15 it. Because now the hole is in it this year, and I'm
16 being faced with that decision.
17 Do I want to give any money at all?
18 No, I don't. But I'd like to investigate it further
19 because there's people that are telling me we're going
20 to lose our bond rating, we're going to default on
21 pensions, et cetera.
22 So, I want to make sure that I gave
23 every opportunity and every chance that I know -- other
24 people have been here for years. I'm only here since
25 January. So, I'm not up to speed on some of the things
1 that the other Council members know.
2 So, I'm going to investigate it a
3 little further, but I promise you it will not be $44
4 million, and it will not be $20 million.
5 If I approve anything, which I'm not
6 saying that I'm going to, because I'm not, and I
7 haven't been convinced yet, it will be something that
8 we can do on a short term basis just to carry us
10 And I will not even consider it if I
11 don't have a meeting with the mayor and he gives me his
12 total support to go after the non-profits, which I've
13 written letters requesting that.
14 Now, he always said he would support
15 me, but he needs to be out there, he needs to be
16 standing right next to me or I need to be standing next
17 to him. He needs to take the lead on it.
18 They need to suffer like we are, like
19 my mother-in-law is, who doesn't know where her next
20 pill is coming from, because she can't afford her house
22 So, I'm telling you that I may in the
23 end agree to borrow a little, I'm not going to lie, but
24 I have to be convinced by friends of mine that are
25 accountants and will help me review those audits and
1 tell me what they think, because they are experts, I am
3 And, also, I will need some concessions
4 from the mayor, need some cuts, and need him beside me
5 when I go to the non-profits.
6 And I have to tell you, I brought
7 pictures here tonight, and I know it's tacky and you're
8 going to say, She's really whacky, but I have three
9 very important reasons why I care about the City of
10 Scranton and why I care about what happens here, and
11 I'm not going to let us go in the hole, because it
12 can't last forever.
13 And I'm going to show you these three
14 pictures, and I'm going to tell you that these are the
15 three most important things in my life, and nothing
16 will change my mind to make these three people suffer.
17 The first one is Joseph. He will be
18 33 years old if we borrow this money. The second one
19 is Jacob, he will be 32 if we borrow the money, and the
20 third one is my baby girl Amelia. She'll only be 27
21 when the loan is off.
22 So, when I said it was my great
23 grandchildren, I wasn't kidding you. They will
24 definitely have children by that age.
25 So, they will help me make my decision,
1 and I hope that the people of Scranton will have faith
2 in me and support this Council.
3 It not our fault. Every thing that's
4 happened is not our fault. And we are all trying, and
5 we're going to try to do the best for the citizens of
6 our community. Thank you. Kay.
7 MS. GARVEY: 5-B, FOR INTRODUCTION - AN
8 ORDINANCE - AMENDING FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 162, 2005 AN
9 ORDINANCE ENTITLED GENERAL CITY OPERATING BUDGET 2006
10 BY TRANSFERRING $60,000.00 FROM ACCOUNT NO.
11 01.040.00042.4550 (DEPARTMENT OF ADMINISTRATION BUREAU
12 OF INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY CAPITAL EXPENDITURES) TO
13 ACCOUNT NO. 01.060.00000.4201 (LAW DEPARTMENT
14 PROFESSIONAL SERVICES) TO PROVIDE FUNDING TO COVER
15 LEGAL FEES.
16 MS. GATELLI: At this time I'll
17 entertain a motion that 5-B be introduced.
18 MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.
19 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Second.
20 MS. GATELLI: On the question? All
21 those in favor --
22 MS. EVANS: I'm sorry. I think Mrs.
23 Krake addresses this earlier. We're transferring funds
24 from IT to cover legal fees in this particular piece of
25 legislation, and --
1 MS. GATELLI: It doesn't specify,
3 MS. EVANS: No, it doesn't specify
4 exactly which attorneys we're paying, but I do know, as
5 was stated earlier, $250,000 in professional services
6 are allocated to the law department alone. That would
7 come out to about $31,250 per month.
8 Now, they're looking for $60,000. They
9 ran out of money in September to pay these people. So,
10 you have to figure September, October, November and
11 December, and they're leading us along to believe this
12 may even extend into next year. I'd say we'd be lucky
13 if this winds up paying for September.
14 And this is part of the reason why
15 we're in this trouble. And part of the reason why
16 these budgets are upside down is because they have
17 inflated figures and bogus figures, figures put in for
18 the sale of storm water basins that never occurred.
19 Well, that hole was part of a hole, big hole, for one
21 And then we put in TANS and called them
22 revenue. Nothing is revenue that you've got to pay
23 back within 11 months. It's called an expenditure, not
24 a revenue.
25 And when you look at department after
1 department carefully, you will see that the revenues
2 are nothing more than smoke and mirrors.
3 And, Mrs. Gatelli, your poor three
4 grandchildren, even though the $44 million wouldn't be
5 approved tonight, I have news for you, right now we
6 still owe about $210 million without the $44 million,
7 without even $10 more.
8 So, they're still going to be those
9 ages and paying off that amount, rather than a quarter
10 of a billion dollars, but they're still going to pay
11 for it.
12 Now, I haven't heard a word from the
13 mayor or anybody else about how we're going to pay for
14 American Water Services. Does anyone remember that?
15 We owed months ago when the decision was rendered
16 against this city, we owed then over $5.5 million.
17 There's a penalty for not paying this, but nobody's
18 talking about that, and that's not included in this
19 bright picture of the next three years worth of
21 But I think the bottom line is just
22 this, you want to borrow, do it, but do it knowing that
23 you're making the bill that much worse. And the only
24 way you're going to get a handle on this is to make it
1 And that will force the mayor to make
2 the cuts that he should have made years ago to do the
3 Workers' Comp. buyouts that he should have ordered
4 years ago.
5 And there are many other issues, but
6 until the day comes when someone will stand up and say,
7 no more money, none of this is going to get better.
8 And you can give him his $8 million to
9 fill his nice hole, and next year you're going to do
10 the same thing again.
11 This monster is going to keep coming
12 back up out of the lake every fall until you cut the
13 head off the monster. I'm sorry. That's it.
14 MS. GATELLI: Anyone else?
15 MR. COURTRIGHT: Yes. Kay spent a good
16 part of her day looking into this, and she explained it
17 to me, and I'm going to vote to introduce it, and it's
18 got two more readings, and I don't know how I'll vote
19 in the future, but I've just got to absorb this a
20 little bit better.
21 $60,000, that seems to be a popular
22 figure in this city, $60,000. So, I thank Kay for
23 that. Maybe I'm a little slow understanding it, but
24 I'm going to look into it a little further. And I'll
25 vote to introduce it this evening, but that's as far as
1 I'm going to go with it for now.
2 MS. EVANS: $100,000 is another nice
3 popular figure, too.
4 MS. GATELLI: Anyone else? All in
6 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Aye.
7 MR. MCTIERNAN: Aye.
8 MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.
9 MS. GATELLI: Aye. Opposed?
10 MS. EVANS: No.
11 MS. GATELLI: The ayes have it and so
12 moved with one negative.
13 MS. GARVEY: 5-C, FOR INTRODUCTION - A
14 RESOLUTION - AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND OTHER
15 APPROPRIATE CITY OFFICIALS FOR THE CITY OF SCRANTON TO
16 ENTER INTO A LOAN AGREEMENT AND MAKE A LOAN FROM THE
17 URBAN DEVELOPMENT ACTION GRANT REPAYMENT LOAN PROGRAM,
18 PROJECT NO. 400.24 IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED
19 $130,000.00 TO FRATELLI'S PIZZA HOUSE, INC. TO ASSIST
20 AN ELIGIBLE PROJECT.
21 MS. GATELLI: At this time I'll
22 entertain a motion that 5-C be introduced.
23 MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.
24 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Second.
25 MS. GATELLI: On the question?
1 MR. COURTRIGHT: On the question, my
2 understanding is, Kay, correct me if I'm wrong, this is
3 coming out of UDAG money, correct?
4 MS. GARVEY: I believe so, yes.
5 MR. COURTRIGHT: And the UDAG money was
6 almost depleted, I believe. And what has happened is
7 when the CRF loans took place, wherever the money came
8 from, it had to be put back into that particular fund.
9 So, there was more money put back into the UDAG, I
10 believe, from the CRF, and so this will be UDAG money.
11 MS. GATELLI: And it's a loan.
12 MR. COURTRIGHT: And it's a loan, five
13 percent, I believe. Thank you.
14 MS. GATELLI: Anyone else on the
15 question? All in favor.
16 MS. EVANS: Aye.
17 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Aye.
18 MR. MCTIERNAN: Aye.
19 MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.
20 MS. GATELLI: Aye. Opposed? The ayes
21 have it and so moved.
22 MS. GARVEY: 6-A, READING BY TITLE -
23 FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 48, 2006 - AN ORDINANCE -
24 AUTHORIZING THE LEASE OF CERTAIN REAL PROPERTY TO THE
25 REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY OF THE CITY OF SCRANTON,
1 PURSUANT TO A LEASE AGREEMENT; DECLARING THE GUARANTY
2 OF SAID AUTHORITY'S GUARANTEED LEASE REVENUE BONDS FOR
3 THE BENEFIT OF THE CITY OF SCRANTON, LACKAWANNA COUNTY,
4 PENNSYLVANIA, TO BE A PROJECT OF THE CITY FOR WHICH
5 LEASE RENTAL DEBT IS TO BE INCURRED; STATING THE
6 REALISTIC ESTIMATED USEFUL LIFE OF THE FACILITIES
7 RELATING TO THE BONDS; DETERMINING TO INCUR LEASE
8 RENTAL DEBT IN AN AGGREGATE PRINCIPAL AMOUNT NOT TO
9 EXCEED $44,000,000 IN RESPECT OF SAID PROJECT, SUCH
10 DEBT TO BE EVIDENCED BY THE CITY'S SUBLEASE AND
11 GUARANTY AGREEMENT WITH RESPECT TO SAID BONDS;
12 AUTHORIZING CERTAIN CITY OFFICERS TO PREPARE, CERTIFY
13 AND FILE WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY AND ECONOMIC
14 DEVELOPMENT THE DEBT STATEMENT REQUIRED BY SECTION 8110
15 OF THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT UNIT DEBT ACT AND AUTHORIZING
16 THE PREPARATION OF A DEBT STATEMENT AND BORROWING BASE
17 CERTIFICATE; APPROVING THE FORM OF, AND AUTHORIZING,
18 SUBJECT TO CERTAIN CONDITIONS, EXECUTION AND DELIVERY
19 OF THE AFORESAID LEASE AGREEMENT AND SUBLEASE AND
20 GUARANTY AGREEMENT; REPEALING INCONSISTENT PRIOR
21 ORDINANCES; SETTING FORTH CERTAIN CONDITIONS TO THE
22 EXECUTION AND DELIVERY OF THE AFORESAID LEASE AGREEMENT
23 AND SUBLEASE AND GUARANTY AGREEMENT; AUTHORIZING THE
24 PROPER OFFICERS OF THE CITY TO TAKE ALL REQUIRED,
25 NECESSARY OR DESIRABLE RELATED ACTION IN CONNECTION
1 WITH SUCH PROJECT AND THE EXECUTION AND DELIVERY OF THE
2 LEASE AGREEMENT AND SUBLEASE AND GUARANTY AGREEMENT;
3 DECLARING SAID PROJECT DESIRABLE FOR THE HEALTH, SAFETY
4 AND WELFARE OF THE RESIDENTS OF THE CITY.
5 MR. MCTIERNAN: Mrs. Gatelli, I'd like
6 to make a motion to table Item 6-A.
7 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Second.
8 MS. GATELLI: On the question?
9 MS. EVANS: Why are we tabling?
10 MR. MCTIERNAN: I am making a motion to
11 table because I believe that we need to have additional
12 discussions with the mayor. I do not believe payless
13 paydays are a reasonable solution to the end of this
14 year's financial distress that we have.
15 However, we still have to make a
16 payment on a TAN. So that folks understand where we
17 are, I do not think payless paydays will happen, nor do
18 I think they should.
19 However, we do have a TAN payment that
20 will be due December 31. And the way I'm being told
21 that this will play out in the end, we will default on
22 a TAN on December 31, and then the new TANS should be
23 in place in the beginning of the year.
24 Some of the proceeds of the new TAN
25 will have to be used to pay off the 2006 tan. That
1 will leave us in a cash negative or a cash shortage
2 position in the first quarter of 2007.
3 So, I think that additional discussions
4 with the administration and the business administrator
5 and the mayor are prudent at this time so that we can
6 make sure that we can take the best possible avenue to
7 get through the remainder of 2006.
8 MS. EVANS: Mr. McTiernan, who provided
9 you with that information?
10 MR. MCTIERNAN: The business
11 administrator yesterday.
12 MS. EVANS: Then it must be true.
13 MR. MCTIERNAN: I take the information
14 I get at face value like I do --
15 MS. EVANS: I know you do.
16 MR. MCTIERNAN: -- like I do everything
17 that comes out of the audience. It's just a matter of
18 the information I'm given. The audit, I'm looking at.
19 So, we can certainly argue about whether it's accurate
20 or not, but that all I have to work with.
21 MS. EVANS: I agree, that's all any of
22 us have to work with, but I guess I'm not as trusting
23 as you.
24 MR. MCTIERNAN: Well, I'm asking for
25 more discussions. I don't know that it's a matter of
1 trust. I'm asking for more communication and
3 But I'm really not here to argue with
4 you, I'm here to ask for a tabling of this motion.
5 MS. EVANS: Oh, well, I didn't consider
6 it an argument.
7 MS. GATELLI: Well, it's moved and
8 seconded. I'd like it tabled, because I need to meet
9 with my people. That doesn't mean I'm going to vote
10 for it at all.
11 MS. EVANS: It's really, you know, it's
12 not my -- no apology is required to me. If anything,
13 the apology goes to the people of the city.
14 And I think, Mrs. Gatelli, I could give
15 you one suggestion, if you give the mayor nothing, I do
16 believe he'll have to cooperate and give you more than
17 the cuts you're asking for, and he will have to go out
18 and start seeking the non-profits donations, because he
19 finally will have no alternative.
20 MS. GATELLI: Well, that could be true,
21 but I don't trust him. I think he would throw it in
22 our lap, and he would make us have a payless payday and
23 he would make us -- then he could blame us. So, I'm
24 not -- I'm afraid to take a total chance.
25 MS. EVANS: I think he would simply
1 raise taxes by 75 to 90 percent to pay the bills that
2 he created.
3 MS. GATELLI: Yeah, I agree.
4 MS. EVANS: Because we're going to pay
5 one way or the other, so I think it's really a choice
6 of, do you want to pay lump sum that's cheaper, or
7 would you like to drag it out for ten years and pay
8 twice as much?
9 MR. MCTIERNAN: That may be an option.
10 In the discussions I had with the mayor yesterday, we
11 talked about a variety of options and a variety of
12 different way to fund, and that goes anywhere from
13 lower amounts of borrowing to get us through this year
14 to budgets that have reductions through tax increases.
15 So, all of those things are on the
16 table. I had at least two or three meetings with the
17 business administrator and the mayor over the last
18 several weeks, and they are all definitely items that
19 are on the table. So --
20 MS. EVANS: Are there any cuts on the
21 table, other than the fire department?
22 MR. MCTIERNAN: I have not seen the
23 budget yet.
24 MS. EVANS: No, no one has, and that's
25 a key to all of this. How can you even think of that
1 when you haven't seen a budget? And when you haven't
2 seen all of those forthcoming budgets, if you can say I
3 need this much money, and I think any of us know who
4 deal with a budget in any way, whether it's a household
5 budget, a school budget, a city budget, you have a
6 pretty good idea of where you're going, how much you're
7 going to need and what you're going to have to cut to
8 balance those scales.
9 You can't have one side of it without
10 the other. So it's there, but someone just doesn't
11 want to give it, like they won't give any of the other
13 MR. MCTIERNAN: I think I could be
14 clear on this. What we have looking at the cash flow
15 sheets from this year through the end of this year, we
16 still have a deficit to take care of at the end of the
17 year. That has to be paid for, according to the cash
18 flow sheets.
19 I believe a tabling of this motion
20 keeps us out of the quagmire that we had with CRF and
21 it keeps us out of risk, and we can certainly entertain
22 discussions about getting through the end of this year.
23 I didn't say where we would go next
24 year or where the borrowing or the budget would go next
25 year. I think we need to continue to discuss where we
1 fund it, the remainder of this year and pay the bills
2 that we have.
3 MS. EVANS: Well, we might start with
4 some golf course funds. That could certainly trim it
5 down. And in addition to that, I don't know why we're
6 always looking first for payless paydays, because I
7 believe legally that's impossible.
8 MR. MCTIERNAN: In my discussions
9 yesterday with the business manager and the mayor, they
10 indicated the same thing. They did not indicate there
11 would be any reason to do payless paydays, so that's
12 simply rhetoric, and that will not happen.
13 And I am all but assured that there
14 will be no payless paydays, which indicates that we
15 still have a hole that we have to remedy. So, that's
16 inflammatory rhetoric.
17 MS. EVANS: But something may not have
18 to be -- something may not get paid. Something might
19 be insured, though, that can kick in and cover that
21 MR. MCTIERNAN: Could be.
22 MS. EVANS: And if our bond rating
23 drops a letter, well, I think in the future, there's
24 always the possibility it could go back up again, but
25 in the meantime, it won't be a weighty concern for me,
1 because I'm really not looking to go out and borrow $20
2 or $40 or $80 or $100 million right now. I think I've
3 reached my borrowing limit.
4 MR. COURTRIGHT: Mrs. Gatelli, I'd just
5 like to say, I'll vote to table it, because I'm voting
6 no on the $44 million anyway, so it doesn't make any
7 difference to me if I vote no this week or next week.
8 But I will ask this, when you go to ask
9 him to make the cuts, if you'd ask him to make the cuts
10 from the top. You know, I think the union people took
11 enough cuts. I think we're top heavy. So, if he's
12 willing to make cuts, I hope he makes them there.
13 Maybe we can even roll back some salaries that have
14 gotten some nice increases.
15 I'm not trying to take money away from
16 anybody, you know, to get a raise, but I just -- I've
17 had a hard time giving somebody ten grand in a raise
18 when I tell 300 workers, Hey, for the last five years,
19 you get nothing.
20 MS. GATELLI: Right. Absolutely.
21 MS. EVANS: And in our district, and in
22 all school districts, everyone's contract, whether it's
23 paraprofessionals, maintenance, the 1206, the teachers
24 union, and the administrators who don't have a
25 contract, but they get the raise, too, it's never
1 awarded to one group and every one else is stripped of
2 an increase.
3 I've never heard of such a thing, nor
4 have I ever heard of anyone going that many years
5 without a raise.
6 Because I said this the other night at
7 a group to whom I spoke, even a youngster of age 15
8 with working papers employed at McDonald's or Wendy's,
9 they're going to get raises, maybe every three months
10 or every six months.
11 There is no adult or child working
12 anywhere, I can think of, other than if they are
13 perhaps illegal immigrants who are being paid under the
14 table. But where else are you going to go and say, I
15 haven't had a pay increase in -- how many years -- five
16 years. That's impossible.
17 And then at the same time you look at
18 other people and say, Oh, you do a splendid job and you
19 are so highly qualified, I'm going to give you an extra
20 $20,000, and then I'm going to hire consultants for you
21 to do your work, and then I'll even get you extra staff
22 to make things even more beneficial for you and the
23 city. None of this really makes sense.
24 MS. GATELLI: Anyone else on the
25 question? All in favor.
1 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Aye.
2 MR. MCTIERNAN: Aye.
3 MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.
4 MS. GATELLI: Aye. Opposed?
5 MS. EVANS: No.
6 MS. GATELLI: The ayes have it and so
7 moved. One negative.
8 MS. GARVEY: 6-B, READING BY TITLE -
9 FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 49 - AN ORDINANCE - AUTHORIZING THE
10 MAYOR AND OTHER APPROPRIATE OFFICIALS OF THE CITY OF
11 SCRANTON TO TAKE ALL NECESSARY ACTIONS TO IMPLEMENT THE
12 CONSOLIDATED SUBMISSION FOR COMMUNITY PLANNING AND
13 DEVELOPMENT PROGRAMS TO BE FUNDED UNDER THE COMMUNITY
14 DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT (CDBG) PROGRAM, HOME INVESTMENT
15 PARTNERSHIP (HOME) PROGRAM AND EMERGENCY SHELTER GRANT
16 (ESG) PROGRAM.
17 MS. GATELLI: You've heard reading by
18 title of Item 6-A, what is your pleasure?
19 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: As chairperson for
20 the economic -- committee on economic development, I so
21 move to -- what, 6-B? 6-A.
22 MS. GARVEY: 6-B.
23 MR. MCTIERNAN: 6-B.
24 MS. GATELLI: It is --
25 MS. GARVEY: No, 6-B.
1 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Oh, you said 6-A,
2 and then I said 6-B.
3 MS. GATELLI: She said 6-A.
4 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: That's why we're
5 all confused. Sorry.
6 MS. GATELLI: It's 6-B, Lisa.
7 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Okay.
8 MR. MCTIERNAN: Second.
9 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: I move that 6-B
10 pass reading by title. Okay. Go ahead.
11 MS. GATELLI: Bob seconded it.
12 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: All right.
13 MS. GATELLI: On the question? All
14 those in favor.
15 MS. EVANS: Aye.
16 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Aye.
17 MR. MCTIERNAN: Aye.
18 MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.
19 MS. GATELLI: Aye. Opposed? The ayes
20 have it and so moved.
21 MS. GARVEY: Seventh order. 7-A, FOR
22 CONSIDERATION BY THE COMMITTEE ON PUBLIC WORKS - FOR
23 ADOPTION - RESOLUTION NO. 103, 2006 - AUTHORIZING THE
24 MAYOR AND OTHER APPROPRIATE CITY OFFICIALS TO EXECUTE
25 AND ENTER INTO ANY AND ALL DOCUMENTS NECESSARY TO
1 AUTHORIZE UGI PENN NATURAL GAS, INC., FORMERLY PG
2 ENERGY, TO CONSTRUCT, OPERATE AND REPAIR A NATURAL GAS
3 REGULATION FACILITY INCLUDING PIPES THEREFORE, ON WEST
4 OLIVE STREET IN THE CITY OF SCRANTON.
5 MS. GATELLI: What's the recommendation
6 of the chairperson for the committee on public works?
7 MS. EVANS: As chair for the committee
8 on public works, I recommend final passage of Item 7-A.
9 MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.
10 MS. GATELLI: On the question? Roll
12 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Evans.
13 MS. EVANS: Yes.
14 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Fanucci.
15 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Yes.
16 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. McTiernan.
17 MR. MCTIERNAN: Yes.
18 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. Courtright.
19 MR. COURTRIGHT: Yes.
20 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Gatelli.
21 MS. GATELLI: Yes. I hereby declare
22 Item 7-A legally and lawfully adopted. Can I have a
23 motion to adjourn?
24 MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.
25 MS. EVANS: Second.
1 MS. GATELLI: All in favor.
2 MS. EVANS: Aye.
3 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Aye.
4 MR. MCTIERNAN: Aye.
5 MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.
6 MS. GATELLI: Aye. Meeting adjourned.
8 (MEETING WAS ADJOURNED.)
1 C E R T I F I C A T E
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4 evidence are contained fully and accurately in the
5 notes taken by me on the hearing of the above cause and
6 that this copy is a correct transcript of the same
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