1 SCRANTON CITY COUNCIL MEETING
6 Thursday, June 1, 2006
9 Council Chambers
10 Scranton City Hall
11 340 North Washington Avenue
12 Scranton, Pennsylvania
CATHENE S. NARDOZZI- COURT REPORTER
1 CITY OF SCRANTON COUNCIL:
MS. JUDY GATELLI, PRESIDENT
5 MS. JANET E. EVANS
MS. SHERRY FANUCCI
8 MR. ROBERT MCTIERNAN
MR. WILLIAM COURTRIGHT
11 MS. KAY GARVEY, CITY CLERK
MR. COOLICAN, ASSISTANT CITY CLERK
14 MR. AMIL MINORA, SOLICITOR
1 MS. GATELLI: Please stand for the
2 Pledge of Allegiance.
3 (Pledge of Allegiance recited.)
4 MS. GATELLI: Please remain standing
5 for a moment of refection for our servicemen
6 and women.
7 (Moment of silence observed.)
8 MS. GATELLI: Thank you. Roll call.
9 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Evans?
10 MS. EVANS: Here.
11 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Fanucci?
12 MS. FANUCCI: Here.
13 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. McTiernan?
14 MR. MCTIERNAN: Here.
15 MS. COOLICAN: Mr. Courtright?
16 MR. COURTRIGHT: Here.
17 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Gatelli?
18 MS. GATELLI: Here. Dispense with
19 the reading of the minutes, Mrs. Garvey.
20 MS. GARVEY: Third order, 3-A, AGENDA
21 FOR THE ZONING HEARING BOARD TO BE HELD ON
22 JUNE 14, 2006.
23 MS. GATELLI: Are there any comments?
24 If not received and filed.
25 MS. GARVEY: For clerk's notes we
1 received a response back from Mr. Parker
2 that the potholes in the 500 block of
3 McKenna Court will be patched in the near
4 future and it is not on the paving list at
5 this time. And the other one, Mrs. Evans,
6 we received a response from John Hazzouri
7 who is the pave cutting specialist at the
8 DPW regarding the request you made to have
9 some verify the situation in the 1700 block
10 of Beaumont Avenue and contact the water
11 company to restore the road to it's previous
12 condition. Mr. Hazzouri said he went out to
13 Saturday and the water restored the cut
14 where it was damaged and that there was
15 nothing wrong with the road. That's all I
17 MS. GATELLI: Thank you. 1719
18 Prospect Avenue has been demolished this
19 past week. 1158 Hampton Street was cleaned
20 up, it was also condemned and it will be
21 placed on the demolition list. Ozzie Quinn
22 asked me to announce that the Scranton
23 Lackawanna County Taxpayers meeting on
24 Tuesday, June 6, at 7:00, that Jack Finnerty
25 will be the speaker and he will be there to
1 discuss the future of Channel 61 in 2007, so
2 I'm sure that many of you would like to
3 attend that meeting, it will be here in city
4 council chambers.
5 I'd just like to bring to the
6 attention of the people in the audience that
7 I have noticed that there are a great number
8 of properties where the grass has not been
9 cut. There is an ordinance for grass
10 cutting. The inspectors have been notified
11 in all of the neighborhoods to cite the
12 property owner and I just want the public to
13 be aware that they are going to be cited for
14 the grass that isn't cut. I have seen them
15 on every block two and three properties per
16 block that have not been cut so just a word
17 to the wise that the inspectors will be out
18 to cite the property owners.
19 At the South Side residents meeting
20 on Tuesday they also brought up that people
21 have been cutting trees down on the tree
22 lawn, you know, along the curb. You are not
23 allowed to cut trees on the curb line. It
24 is against the city ordinance. If caught
25 you will be find $1,000. If there is a
1 problem with the tree notify Mr. Santolli of
2 the Shade Tree Commission and he will come
3 out and look at your tree and determine if
4 it needs to be cut, so please do not cut any
5 curb side trees unless you see Mr. Santolli.
6 It was quite a problem in South Scranton,
7 the one block of Cedar someone cut all of
8 the trees down, so we would like to make you
9 aware of that.
10 The street sweeping schedule is on
11 the City of Scranton website. So far I have
12 found two errors and I notified Mr. Parker.
13 There is no day for Elm Street to Rundell
14 Street in West Scranton and there is no
15 dates for Breck Street to Saginaw Street in
16 south Scranton, so if anybody else looks at
17 the website and has a problem with where
18 they live please let us know and we will
19 notify Mr. Parker that it is missing from
20 the schedule.
21 There were numerous potholes filled
22 this week. They are too numerous to
23 mention. There were three houses boarded
24 up, 827 Adams Avenue, 1421 Vine and 1423
25 Vine Street.
1 I don't know how many of you saw in
2 the paper this week that the residents up on
3 Meadow Avenue will not be receiving their
4 sound barriers for another seven to eight
5 years. They were promised the sound
6 barriers several years ago. The money was
7 allocated. There was 2 million dollars in
8 capital budget back in 2000 allocated for
9 that particular neighborhood. Now they are
10 saying they have to wait seven to eight more
11 years, so I find that unconscionable because
12 it's only a matter of about a six block area
13 and if you know anyone that lives down there
14 it's in a gully and you hear all of the
15 noise and you get ought of the fumes from
16 the tractor trailer on the automobiles and
17 it's just unbearable for those residents.
18 Some of them are elderly and won't be around
19 in seven to eight years to even see the
20 sound barriers, so I'm going to ask -- I'm
21 going to make a motion that we send a letter
22 to representative Belardi, representative
23 elect Ken Smith and Senator Mellow to see
24 what they can do to expedite these sound
25 barriers and the urgency that they are
2 MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.
3 MS. GATELLI: On the question? All
4 in favor?
5 MS. EVANS: Aye.
6 MS. FANUCCI: Aye.
7 MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.
8 MR. MCTIERNAN: Aye.
9 MS. GATELLI: Aye. Opposed? The
10 ayes have it and so moved. Thank you very
11 much. Also, I just have one more thing and
12 it's a nice thing to be able to announce
13 that Tripp Park will be having a police
14 officer. He will there several nights a
15 week and he will patrol between Euclid and
16 Garfield and Dickson and Gibson. Now, he
17 can't go all the way to the playground, but
18 he will certainly be close enough that he
19 can keep his eye on things in that
20 neighborhood because they are having some
21 problems starting in this particular
22 neighborhood, so I'm happy to say that I
23 talked to Chief Elliott and Lenny Newmecca
24 and he will be starting in the Tripp Park
1 Is there anyone else on council that
2 would like to speak? . No? Anyone from
3 junior council?
4 MR. MILLER: Good evening, council.
5 Doug Miller, Scranton. Just regarding the
6 newspaper article about the junior counsel,
7 I find the false accusations of being called
8 a Hitler degrading and I don't recall in my
9 young life going out and taking various
10 people of ethnics background in the City of
11 Scranton and executing and torturing them.
12 I strongly suggest this person pick up a
13 history book and see who Hitler really was.
14 I would say to these adults it's time to
15 grow up. I do want to thank though the many
16 people that are supporting us, we have many
17 people on our side.
18 As we have been reading these
19 articles and these editorials about the
20 junior council it's been said that it was
21 Mrs. Gatelli's idea to start the council.
22 With no disrespect to Mrs. Gatelli if you
23 recall back in February I proposed the idea
24 of a junior council and I met with all of
25 the members and we talked it over and we
1 came to an agreement, therefore, we now have
2 the junior council so I just wanted to make
3 that clear.
4 Now to some city business. I
5 received a call from a citizen on East
6 Mountain who informed me that when you go
7 down Elm Street and turn onto Blucher there
8 are trees and bushes growing out in the road
9 and cars are going around that corner and
10 there could be a head on collision.
11 Also, potholes on Blucher and Elm
12 need repair, would you please report this to
13 DPW I would appreciate it. Thank you very
15 MS. GATELLI: Thank you. Anyone
16 else? First speaker is Andy Sbaraglia.
17 MR. SBARAGLIA: Andy Sbaraglia,
18 citizen of Scranton, fellow Scrantonians. I
19 want to speak a little a motion number C
20 amending resolution NO. 51, '06, authorizing
21 the mayor and other appropriate city
22 officials for the City of Scranton to enter
23 a loan agreement and make a loan from the
24 Urban Development Action Grant Repayment
25 Loan Program, project No. 400-15 in an
1 amount not to exceed $250,000 to Paperless
2 Practice, Inc., to assist in the name of the
3 borrower to Wink Interactive Media.
4 Have you noticed in the paper, I
5 guess you didn't, but apparently they have a
6 lien against -- a federal lien against these
7 people in the amount of $49,968.75 and they
8 want to move into a KOZ. Now, I have
9 nothing against these people, but when you
10 have a federal lien that should set off a
11 few flags, well, maybe not in the mayor's
12 office, but it should set off a few flags
13 when it comes before you. Now, a federal
14 lien is very, very important. They have a
15 right to attach I guess anything that them
16 people have, so I don't see how you can sit
17 there and vote to change this name or
18 anything to do with these people until you
19 find out the status of that lien and the
20 financial ability to pay off these loans.
21 You don't loan people money when they can't
22 pay it off and if you want to see it, I
23 don't have -- I can give you the copy of the
24 lien because it's not important it me, but
25 the only trouble is when I cut it off I did
1 cut off the date of the newspaper, but you
2 can look at it under federal liens and then
3 you why they are changing the name. I don't
4 know if they informed you, but obviously the
5 mayor must have known this. This couldn't
6 have been brought just out of the blue.
7 When the federal government is involved it
8 usually takes awhile to do it. So, hence,
9 the mayor had to know before you propose
10 this loan and that leaves you out on a limb.
11 You approve the loan for people that are
12 having trouble meeting financial obligations
13 and how could you protect the city at all if
14 you have vote for a loan where people have
15 liens against them?
16 Now, I don't know what kind of a
17 business this man has, I don't know the man
18 from Adam, I'm only interested in protecting
19 the City money, that's the only thing that
20 ever interests me and that's the only thing
21 I really speak about other than the children
22 and I assume the kids ain't going to get
23 free swimming this year either. For some
24 reason or another you can spend $250,000 for
25 artists, but you cannot give the kids free
1 swimming at the city owned pools which I
2 find deplorable. There is no reason for
3 that. Why do we figure the artists are more
4 important than the kids of this city I will
5 never know. People that can't afford to pay
6 even this dollar fare with four or five kids
7 if we have a summer like we had last year,
8 it's a bad summer, and then you wonder why
9 there is so much graffiti going around the
10 city, kids doing this and kids doing that,
11 well, you have no program for the kids. The
12 school program that you said had one flaw in
13 it, you had to go to a school. I don't know
14 where you grew up, but believe me in the
15 summer you would not find me in a school. I
16 want to be up at a playground and that's
17 where you should have the programs, they
18 should be at the playgrounds, somewhere
19 along the line you should give help with
20 that. There is no reason why we can't have
21 a supervisor or something up at some of
22 these playgrounds in the city and give them
23 a summer program like we used to have for
24 the kids. I don't know how many of you
25 remember when we had that program, it's sort
1 of a long time ago, but my son was there and
2 he is 41 now so it's like 41 years ago, but
3 we did have programs for the children. We
4 had little swimming pools and we also had
5 supervision at these places, they did
6 lanyards and little things, but they kept
7 the kids busy, and that's where our emphasis
8 should be put in now. I mean, we can find
9 money for everything in this city but the
10 kids and that's bad. I mean, to take money
11 from, like, the Boys Club gave us money
12 because they are nonprofit, but that's
13 counterproductive. We pour money into the
14 Boys Club. They ain't happy with the folks
15 in the west side now, and I'm not going to
16 get into anymore on this, so, thank you.
17 MR. GATELLI: Mr. Sbaraglia, I just
18 have a question, this was recent because I
19 saw this several days ago.
20 MR. SBARAGLIA: It is recent.
21 MS. GATELLI: I'm not sure, Attorney
22 Minora, whether you can advise us on this
23 because we did vote on this already, we did
24 vote to approve this loan maybe a month ago
25 or two months ago. This particular piece of
1 legislation is only to change the name, so I
2 don't know if we can vote against this when
3 we already voted for it, you know?
4 MR. MINORA: I don't have the notice
5 in the paper of the tax thing, what's the
6 name of the tax claim?
7 MS. GATELLI: The name is Paperless
8 Practice, COM, Inc., 201 Lackawanna Avenue.
9 See, the ordinance is to change the name.
10 We already voted. We already gave them the
11 money under this name Paperless Practice so
12 can we know vote against it?
13 MR. MINORA: All we did is authorize
14 the mayor to enter into an agreement. He
15 doesn't have to do it, so this is an
16 amendment, amending it from Paperless
17 Practice to Wink Interactive Media, you can
18 vote that up or down and then any mortgage
19 or any loan that the city gave to this
20 company would be second, at least second to
21 a federal tax lien already filed, and I
22 assume that the mayor would discuss that
23 with the solicitor to determine whether or
24 not that was an economically viable thing to
1 MS. GATELLI: So we can vote against
2 this tonight?
3 MR. MINORA: Sure.
4 MS. GATELLI: Thank you. Ron Elman.
5 MR. ELMAN: How is everybody tonight?
6 You look like a bunch of happy campers. I'm
7 going to put my glasses on so I can see
8 what's going on. Boy, I hate to talk
9 earlier, I don't have nothing to plagiarize
10 so if I seem stupid tonight you know why.
11 You know, I wasn't coming to the past few
12 meetings I just -- it's just like beating
13 your head on a stone wall because you all
14 just, you know, I know you -- I have tried
15 to deal with this administration. Two weeks
16 ago I made 14 phone calls trying to get some
17 people and I got answering machines, 14
18 times. I'm not talking about the mayor's
19 office, I'm trying to get a couple of
20 people, 14 of them, you know? This is -- I
21 said before, this is an administration that
22 just lives on answering machines, it doesn't
23 make sense. One of them was the license
24 bureau, I was trying to Mike, no matter who
25 you I call I get answering machines no
1 matter what time it is, but I just lost
2 interest in these meetings. You're beating
3 your head on a stone wall coming down here.
4 I have had thousands of people tell me to
5 come see -- now you are listening to me when
6 I said that.
7 MS. GATELLI: I turned my phone off.
8 MS. FANUCCI: She turned her phone
10 MS. ELMAN: I had a dozen, 15 people
11 ask me how come I quit coming to the
12 meetings and I talked about them and I
13 just -- I told them I just lost interest in
14 coming and since I came eight or ten months
15 ago I bet I pushed 100 people in coming, you
16 know, you people are normal looking when you
17 go somewhere, when I go to the grocery store
18 they say, "There's that clown that's always
19 badmouthing the mayor," I know what they
20 say, but I have had people just from all
21 sediments of society around here talking to
22 me. I'm down in Sawyersville and one of my
23 attorneys watches this and one of my
24 doctors. I was walking up the other day, my
25 basset hound, all of a sudden I was thinking
1 about one of the fellows and all of a sudden
2 it occurred to me I have had 75, 65 people
3 come to me and talk about this meeting and
4 it occurred it to me that's just the
5 ultimate compliment to you people up there
6 and these people out here and these men back
7 here that work this camera, all of these
8 people are watching this program and I never
9 dreamed that so many people watched this
10 program, you know? I have to eat my words,
11 you know, it's a compliment to the library
12 that sponsors it and even Mr. Doherty I know
13 he censures the program, but I had this one
14 fellow that really impressed me, he was the
15 nicest fellow, he drove a wrecker. When I
16 go to the grocery store by myself I park at
17 the end so people don't hit my car doors and
18 he parked this wrecker and got out and he is
19 all dirty, greasy from head to foot we
20 started to talking going up to where the
21 baskets were and very intelligent fellow,
22 you know, and he is talking about different
23 people in the audience and things that were
24 happening out there and he was wanting to
25 buy a house in Throop or someplace, he
1 didn't want to live in town, and when he was
2 finished he stuck out this big, dirty,
3 greasy hand to shake hands with me, you
4 know, of course I shook hands my hands, my
5 hand isn't dirty a lot, but I bet you our
6 mayor wouldn't shake hands with him. And I
7 bet a bunch of people would have avoided
9 This is the people on the street
10 that you people don't have contact with,
11 that the mayor doesn't have contact with
12 that I keep telling you Todd O'Malley
13 doesn't know what's going on. I know he is
14 not president of the board I just -- but
15 when they gave away the KOZ he was.
16 These -- everybody is detached from the man
17 on the street in the city, you know, it's
18 terrible. Today's newspaper is defending
19 them and defending the mayor and all, the
20 newspaper just proves that the best man
21 always doesn't win an election. Anyway, I
22 was just going to say I just -- I found it
23 the ultimate compliment to you people and
24 these people out here that so many people
25 watch this program and I hope the library,
1 you know, continues their funding.
2 I just got a couple of things, one
3 thing that almost everybody that I talked to
4 said that council was so ineffective in
5 dealing with the Doherty administration. I
6 just heard that from person after person and
7 I don't know you can overcome it. I'm just
8 telling you a lot of people mentioned that.
9 And the next thing you think I'm down on the
10 school board you ought to heard the vile
11 remarks people told me about the school
12 board in the few seconds of talking. Nobody
13 likes the school board and what they are
14 doing and I don't know how you are supposed
15 to fight them. You know, you go to the
16 meetings they don't care what you say. And
17 the KOZ, the newspaper just has distortions
18 about the KOZ. When the money lost it's
19 lost. I have had two different real estate
20 lawyers tell me it is gone, one or two
21 houses paying taxes is better right now than
22 143 houses 15 years from now, you know, God
23 knows what's going to happen to the city.
24 These are the ones that the newspaper is so
25 worried about why they don't explain how
1 these guys are going to pay 400 and some
2 million dollars in a few years. You will be
3 voting and assuming responsibility, look at
4 what you got? Nobody has an idea. The
5 newspaper doesn't come out and say
6 Mr. Doherty has a plan for this or that or
7 something else. And the last thing I heard
8 complaints about was Scranton Housing they
9 have a lot of projects just to be crime
10 ridden drug infested ghettos and the
11 management it's just terrible in Scranton
12 Housing. I heard one complaint after
13 another about it and I think that something
14 ought to be done about getting some
15 management out of them. You know, good
16 decent people don't want to live in the
18 MS. GATELLI: Thank you, Mr. Elman.
19 MR. ELMAN: Thank you. Like I said,
20 I appreciate your time in letting me go
21 over. Thank you.
22 MS. GATELLI: Thank you.
23 Mr. Spindler.
24 MR. SPINDLER: Good evening, council.
25 Les Spindler, Scranton resident. First off,
1 Mr. Courtrights, I have been meaning to
2 thank you for a couple of weeks now, there
3 is "no parking" signs on that block of
4 Mulberry Street now?
5 MR. COURTRIGHT: Yeah. I saw them up
6 there and that truck is not there anymore.
7 MR. SPINDLER: I haven't been up here
8 for a few weeks now.
9 MR. COURTRIGHT: You're welcome.
10 MR. SPINDLER: Something else, I
11 couldn't make it last week I heard you
12 mention that 500 block of North Rebecca, did
13 you find out anymore about that?
14 MR. COURTRIGHT: So, Mr. Parker said
15 he would have to go out and take a look at
16 it, but there was residents on that block
17 they e-mailed me, two of them.
18 MR. SPINDLER: I heard you say that.
19 MR. COURTRIGHT: They don't want that
20 changed, and they had their reasons, I
21 didn't want to --
22 MR. SPINDLER: I don't know why.
23 Like I said, it's a very -- two cars can't
24 go through. It's a very bad street and if
25 you going up in the hill in winter you are
1 stuck at the stop sign.
2 MR. COURTRIGHT: Mr. Parker said he
3 is going go out and take a look at it and
4 see why it's that way.
5 MR. SPINDLER: Okay. I can't see
6 how one block in the whole street is
7 two-ways and this is one-way.
8 MR. COURTRIGHT: Well, when he finds
9 out he will let us know.
10 MR. SPINDLER: All right. Next
11 thing, Mrs. Gatelli, a few weeks ago I
12 brought pictures in the front of my house,
13 the flooded sidewalks, did you find out
14 anything more about that?
15 MS. GATELLI: No, I did send Mr.
16 Parker a letter, but I haven't heard
17 anything yet. I'll call him again.
18 MR. SPINDLER: Back to
19 Mr. Courtright, a couple of weeks ago you
20 mentioned about the line painting about the
21 different paints they were trying, this and
22 that, the first block of Spruce Street
23 coming into the city a few weeks ago that
24 was repaved and two Fridays ago they were
25 relining it and it was a private company
1 that was doing it, it was a black truck and
2 they were putting things down resembling
3 decals. They weren't painting.
4 MR. COURTRIGHT: Yeah. I don't know
5 who the private company is, the city has
6 done them in the paste, they heat it on,
7 it's like a tape and they heat it on, I
8 wasn't aware of that.
9 MR. SPINDLER: Maybe that would be
10 better, I don't know.
11 MR. COURTRIGHT: Yeah, it certainly
12 lasts a lot longer, I think they were saying
13 it was expensive, but I think somebody was
14 saying it was slippery, but I'll find out.
15 Where was that.
16 MR. SPINDLER: It ws that first block
17 of Spruce, I don't know what block.
18 MR. COURTRIGHT: Coming into the
20 MR. SPINDLER: Pardon me?
21 MR. COURTRIGHT: Coming into the
22 city. I'll check and see who was doing
24 MR. SPINDLER: Next thing, I brought
25 this up two weeks ago, this has to do with a
1 company Wake going into Brikk's restaurant
2 building they still don't have a permit in
3 the front window. Isn't that against city
4 ordinance? I though --
5 MS. GATELLI: Yeah, they told me
6 they had one.
7 MS. FANUCCI: Yeah, I checked on
9 MR. SPINDLER: I just walked by
10 before I came to the meeting.
11 MS. FANUCCI: Well, what happened --
12 MR. SPINDLER: Where is it, is it
13 hidden in the back somewhere?
14 MS. FANUCCI: No, what happened was
15 there was something that had to be cleared
16 through us, the city, so they did not write
17 them the paper permit, but it was all clear
18 before and they do have it. I was told from
19 upstairs they do have.
20 MR. SPINDLER: Isn't it supposed to
21 be displayed for everybody to see? Well,
22 it's not. I just went by before I came to
23 the meeting. As of 6:20 tonight there is no
24 permit in the window. Lastly, I couldn't
25 believe my eyes in the articles in the paper
1 last week that the historic preservation is
2 holding up the Lackawanna County bridge
3 project, that's the most ridiculous thing I
4 have ever heard of. What is wrong with
5 these people? The bridge is falling apart.
6 I went by there two Fridays ago when a hole
7 opened up in the sidewalk. The city was
8 there putting a metal plate over it and if
9 somebody was walking by they would be
10 100 feet down into the railroad tracks.
11 What is historic about that bridge? It's an
12 eyesore and it's a safety hazard. Could the
13 city do something to try and get this
14 project going?
15 MR. COURTRIGHT: Les, I think that
16 bridge is -- only 5 percent of the money for
17 that bridge is coming from the city and I
18 think 20 or 25 percent from the state and
19 the rest from the federal government, so I
20 don't know who is going to try to --
21 MR. SPINDLER: But historic
22 preservation, what is historic about that
23 bridge? It's falling apart. There was a
24 letter to the editor yesterday, the
25 gentleman says he walks underneath it and he
1 says you can see it all the way from
2 underneath. What it's going to take,
3 somebody to fall for the sidewalk for them
4 to finally get it fixed? I mean, that
5 easily could have happened a few weeks ago
6 when that hole opened up on the sidewalk, so
7 I thought maybe could council like try to do
8 something about that. What is it going to
9 take a terrible accident for them to forget
10 about the historic preservation? I mean, I
11 could see if it was a beautiful building or
12 something, but it's a bridge that's falling
13 apart. I think --- have you seen it lately?
14 MS. GATELLI: I think it's those two
16 MR. SPINDLER: There is four pillars.
17 MS. GATELLI: Four pillars.
18 MR. SPINDLER: I go over that bridge
19 every single day going back and forth to
21 MS. GATELLI: They are what's
22 determined ---
23 MR. SPINDLER: It's ugly. I mean,
24 that's my opinion so -- a lot of people's
25 opinion I've spoken with, and, as I said,
1 it's falling apart, it's a safety hazard and
2 I think we should think safety first rather
3 than historic preservation. That's all I
4 have. Thank you.
5 MS. GATELLI: Thank you. Stan
7 MR. NARSAVAGE: Good evening, Stan
8 Narsavage, city resident. Thank you Mrs.
9 Gatelli and Mr. Courtright and anyone else
10 that had a part in getting a patrolman in
11 the Tripp Park. That section of the city
12 everyone there will be delighted I'm sure as
13 I am. Thank you again.
14 I'd like to make mention of an
15 editorial that was in the paper today, it
16 says "Making sure that kids hate politics."
17 I take exception to this because me
18 being a regular speaker here they lump me in
19 with people that are -- that come here and
20 speak falsely and if is anybody false they
21 ought to look at their own stories that they
22 put in the paper. They have more things
23 that aren't accurate than I don't know what.
24 The last sentence down at the bottom says:
25 "It's pathetic; it's childish; it should
2 And I agree with that, referring to
3 the editorial. It's pathetic; it's childish
4 and it should stop. That's for the Scranton
6 I have a couple of things here, I'm
7 not going to ask you to answer any
8 statements that sound like questions, if you
9 want to you can do it in the fifth or
10 whatever. I'd like to know, I'd like to
11 have an update on the June 2005 HUD audit.
12 I'd like to hear, and I haven't heard yet,
13 why Mr. Parker didn't appear here this week.
14 He was so adamant last week that he was
15 going to appear or I thought they were
16 adamant anyway, was he here?
17 MS. GATELLI: Are you asking me a
19 MR. NARSAVAGE: No, I'm not asking.
20 A couple of days ago I distributed, in fact,
21 it was Monday, I distributed the flyers that
22 your daughter made, Mrs. Gatelli, and I
23 thank your daughter for doing that. I went
24 to many homes that were right on the edge of
25 the playground because they are the people
1 that can see what's going on and had many,
2 many comments. People can't sit in their
3 yards in the evening because of the language
4 that's being used, and I'm only going to
5 quote the people that I spoke to, they said
6 that the girls, unfortunately, have the
7 worst language than the boys do. They told
8 me about a group of young people that are
9 dressed in black pants, black shirts and
10 black bandanas, sounds like trouble to me,
11 and they are very defiant if they are
12 walking down the court when you come down
13 with a car, they won't move out of the way
14 so you would have to hit them or they are
15 defying you to hit them.
16 The people accepted the -- they are
17 very glad to see the flyer. They said that
18 they would surely call if they had any
19 problems. Another neighbor told me that
20 they see people out there at 2:00 or 3:00 in
21 the morning playing basketball. There is
22 cars parked in the adjoining parking lot of
23 the playground plus another group of cars
24 that park over in front of the community
25 house and I can't guess what's going on, but
1 anyway, and that's in violation of the
2 signs, Mr. Courtright, that were put up
4 MR. COURTRIGHT: Can I just answer
5 something on that, this past Saturday --
6 MR. NARSAVAGE: Don't take my time.
7 MR. COURTRIGHT: Could you hold his
8 time maybe because I'd like to him
9 something. This past Saturday we did a
10 saturation in west side and I know for a
11 fact that at least four different occasions
12 the police went there, only at one of those
13 occasions were their children there and they
14 scattered when the police went there. They
15 have been checking, I looked at myself, I
16 believe they did away with some of the
17 graffiti; right?
18 MR. NARSAVAGE: Yes.
19 MR. COURTRIGHT: Now I see it on the
20 sidewalk going into the -- but that looks
21 like gang writing on there to me, but
22 anyway, here's what I would ask, they
23 specifically went out to West Scranton
24 looking for certain violations and I know
25 they were looking for, you know, if they
1 could see individuals that would be
2 suspected of gangs causing any problems and
3 no luck this past Saturday in that respect,
4 but if those people are seeing those
5 individuals, and we can't send the police
6 just because they are dressed in a certain
7 way, but if they believe they are a nuisance
8 if they call right away they are aware, they
9 want to help. It's just, you know, they are
10 spread so thin and they are really trying
11 and they all know about the situation and
12 they are really trying, so if they see
13 something happening the quicker they call
14 the quicker maybe the police would get there
15 and hopefully something will happen. All
17 MR. NARSAVAGE: All right. Well,
18 they promised be that they would be. The
19 balance of the fliers that I had left the
20 Tripp Park pizza shop was kind enough to
21 take them and put them on the counter where
22 the people who are coming in and I asked
23 them if they would do that and they said
24 they would and people come in for a pizza
25 and they give them a flyer to take home with
2 One other gentleman that I spoke to
3 said that he would like to see, be
4 interested something done with the traffic
5 situation at the end of Faar Street and
6 Euclid Avenue. Sometimes have you to sit
7 there for quite awhile to get out of the
8 street because of the entrance of traffic.
9 He mentioned a traffic light but I know
10 that's very expensive, but one thing, and I
11 think Mr. Courtright you might have been
12 involved with asking the state to consider a
13 right-hand turn off of the expressway, that
14 was help tremendously if they could, it
15 would give you a chance to get out.
16 Sometimes you have to go between cars and
17 take a chance honestly to get out.
18 Mrs. Gatelli, I'm going to paraphrase
19 something you said last week during that
20 debate about Sloan, and I believe this is
21 pretty accurate, "I can't believe that the
22 people can't cooperate for all of the
23 children. We are talking about all children
24 and people can't cooperate. I can't
25 understand it."
1 Is that fairly accurate?
2 MS. GATELLI: Um-hum.
3 MR. NARSAVAGE: Okay, does that apply
4 then -- is that -- does your opinion apply
5 to the kids that can't swim in the
6 summertime because they can't afford it?
7 And, like I said before, most of those kids
8 are from -- a lot of those children are from
9 low income families and minorities, I'm
10 wondering if that would be your opinion if
11 you would use that same opinion that you use
12 for Sloan about the kids that can't swim or
13 don't have the money to swim.
14 MS. GATELLI: I'll answer you in
16 MR. NARSAVAGE: Thank you. And I
17 have to bring up the one thing that I
18 remember from when the fees first started,
19 someone from the administration made this
20 statement, I forget who it was, but I could
21 probably research it and find it out, he
22 said that the fee will keep the riff-raff
23 out of the pools. I hope that isn't what we
24 are working on this time, is it? But that's
25 a statement that was made, I'm sure other
1 people remember it. Thank you.
2 MS. GATELLI: Thank you. Mr. Dudick.
3 MR. DUDICK: My name is Mike Dudick,
4 608 Depot Street in the plot. There is
5 basically two reasons why I'm here, this has
6 already been addressed quite a bit, in the
7 Times there is a rather unusual editorial
8 about student council here, I just don't --
9 unless I have been missing something in
10 these meetings I don't -- get any of you
11 young members think of anybody that really
12 said anything that was insulting towards
13 you? That's what I thought. That's what I
14 was wondering what was the man up in the
15 offices of the Times thinking about when he
16 wrote this. So you guys just answered my
17 question right there.
18 A few weeks ago I asked city council
19 to take a look at paving Olyphant Avenue
20 from the Throop border back towards Parker
21 Street and I'm going to ask you to see if
22 you could put a stop on that. Now, you had
23 informed me that that's been on the paving
24 list. When I made that request there was a
25 lot of activity in that area. There was a
1 lot of construction activity going on at the
2 time when I came here, but for some reason
3 all of the construction activity in this
4 area suddenly stopped and we have this ugly
5 moonscape exposed to the dry air and nobody
6 is doing anything about it and my fear is if
7 we repave this street and that construction
8 starts again we are going to have a wasted
9 paving program because the trucks will go
10 over that newly paved streets and simply
11 destroy it, so I would like to ask counsel
12 to please try to find out who is doing what
13 over there in terms of construction. I have
14 been told it was Mr. DeNaples, but I can't
15 believe it because when Mr. DeNaples starts
16 a project he finished it. There is no lag
17 at all when that man starts something. He
18 just sees it through and it gets done and
19 that's it. I'd like to see like what is
20 going on over there, why has it stopped
21 because there is no sense paving a road
22 that's going to get destroyed, so I thought
23 maybe, you know, put something forward onto
25 And as to the lawsuit that I had
1 mentioned last week about the Scranton Times
2 that the times refuses to cover in Scranton,
3 that suit has been, I guess it's finished,
4 Judge Chivarella will give his decision in
5 60 days as to what's going to happen there
6 and it's going to be something worth
7 listening for. Either the Times is going to
8 get totally exonerated or they are going to
9 get cleaned out to the tune of almost $40
10 million dollars or it could be something
11 anywhere in-between. I'm waiting with bated
12 breath on this one. Thank you very much.
13 MS. GATELLI: Thank you. Is there
14 anyone else that cares to speak before
15 council? Mr. Morgan?
16 MR. MORGAN: Yes, please. I'd like
17 to start off with just a few brief comments,
18 but I do have one question and I would like
19 to know, is council aware that a three judge
20 panel is going to hear the case in regards
21 to this South Side Sports Complex in the
22 middle of June? Are you aware of that? Is
23 anybody aware of that? Do you think that
24 maybe -- go ahead.
25 MS. EVANS: I believe Mr. Wayne Beck
1 had appeared before council recently when a
2 discussion was held concerning the South
3 Side Complex and at that time he indicated
4 exactly what you are saying.
5 MR. MORGAN: Well, I intend to take
6 that day off from work and go there and
7 hopefully get a chance to say something.
8 Whether I can or not that's another thing,
9 but I think it would be a good idea for some
10 members of council to go there and voice
11 their opposition to the sale of that
12 property and I think --
13 MS. GATELLI: Do you have the date?
14 MR. MORGAN: I think it's the 12th,
15 but I'm not absolutely certain, but I will
16 get back to you on that. The other thing is
17 I'm going to go off this for just one
18 second, I'd like to give a phone number,
19 558-1648 and I would like anybody who has
20 any information about Sloan field to call
21 me. There was a woman who stood here at the
22 podium that had a lot to say and I can't
23 seem to find out all of the information I'd
24 like to have on that and I have an interest
25 in that and I would like to have whatever
1 information is available.
2 And I'd like to go back down to this
3 junior council, you know, there has been
4 they have talked about this and from what I
5 understand most of the outcry against this
6 junior council is coming from the internet,
7 and I'm not really sure of that, but that's
8 what I have been lead to believe and I think
9 it's important for everybody to realize that
10 no one should take credit for this body
11 being seated and if we are going to give
12 credit to somebody then maybe we should give
13 to Leo Lynn or Jack Fawcett because they are
14 deceased, you know, because nobody should
15 take credit for any of this. I think the
16 important thing to know that this body is
17 that none of these young adults are
18 politicians and that's the one thing we need
19 to end here is politics. These children and
20 young adults have to become statesmen and
21 make smart decisions for this city and in my
22 own humble opinion I think that many times
23 council has been politically motivated to
24 make decisions not in the best interest of
25 the city itself and that's why we are in the
1 situation we are in. I have seen it spin
2 many times. I'm very troubled by it, and I
3 think when beam in the community have to go
4 after young adults who volunteer, they are
5 not paid, they come here to listen and to
6 learn and hopefully what they will learn is
7 to pay attention to both sides of this
8 aisle, there is good ideas running from both
9 sides, and learn not to let anybody
10 influence your decisions and some day you
11 will run this city and the only hope, real
12 hope we have in the city, is that these
13 young adults will grow up and make smart
14 choices because all we are leaving them is
15 ashes. The school district is out of
16 control. The county is out of the control.
17 The city is out of control. There is
18 nothing but debt. These children have
19 nothing to inherit except ashes and this is
20 going to be a phoenix that's going to rise
21 out of these ashes and these children
22 hopefully are going to lead the way for us,
23 okay? And what's important to us in my age
24 bracket is to support them as much as
25 possible and to educate them about the city,
1 this county and make them as informed as
2 possible so they can pay attention and learn
3 and the things they learn here will serve
4 them very well to make smart decisions to
5 always listen and never judge everything you
6 hear by the way you were raised and how you
7 grew up. You move out of your environment
8 and you make decisions and you look at every
9 decision in a circle and test it in every
10 single way you can test it and make smart
11 decisions and you are our future. These
12 people, myself, these people, we are the
13 past and we are not leaving you much because
14 this city is in terrible shape and like one
15 of the speakers here, this gentleman right
16 here spoke with the glasses on, about they
17 don't understand how Mr. Doherty does the
18 things he does. Well, my answer in regard
19 to that is, all you have to look at U.E.
20 Long and realize what he did and you will
21 see it's almost a mirror image of the mayor.
22 Thank you.
23 MS. GATELLI: Thank you.
24 MR. DAVIS: Salaam alechum. I spoke
25 before to the city council three weeks ago
1 about Robert Rules and I have noticed since
2 then and listened to the television that,
3 Mrs. Gatelli, you keep violating them. You
4 can't make motions without passing down the
5 gavel. It's one of the most pertinent rules
6 of Roberts Rules and there is a reason for
7 it, because then you have a tendency to
8 override everyone else's motions. Motions,
9 not emotions, but motions and it's so
10 insulting to us who know something about
11 Parliamentary procedure and things like that
12 that we find it very difficult to listen to
13 you or to understand you or to adhere to
14 what you want to say. It's an insult to us.
15 We do know Parliamentary procedures. We
16 have been raised in it, we've been taught it
17 from our churches, from our high schools and
18 everywhere so, therefore, for you to think
19 that you can say things and do things
20 without repercussions whatsoever is to me
21 blatant. Dishonorable. I mean, you are not
22 -- you don't show us any respect, that's
23 what I'm trying to say and that's the reason
24 why we don't come back. I'm looking at the
25 audience now, I have seen guys here that
1 have been here for 20 years that have been
2 coming to city council over and above the
3 time you even have been here and yet they
4 sit and they respect you because they listen
5 to you week after week after week and I know
6 it must be gauling.
7 MS. GATELLI: Well, I'm very sorry if
8 I'm insulting anyone.
9 MR. DAVIS: Well, you are though.
10 MS. GATELLI: I don't mean to do
12 MR. DAVIS: Well, go back and read
13 Roberts Rules.
14 MS. GATELLI: I'll have attorney
15 Minora do that.
16 MR. DAVIS: You told me three weeks
17 ago you were going to do that, you were
18 going to check it out, that's what you said
19 on television, I have a tape at home, where
20 you say, "Oh, I'll check it out," that was
21 three weeks ago you said that. We can't
22 respect you.
23 MS. GATELLI: Well, I'm sorry,
24 Mr. Davis --
25 MR. DAVIS: Really, the only reason
1 why I came here tonight is to ask you to
2 step down.
3 MS. GATELLI: Well, I'm not going to
4 do that. I'm not going to do that,
5 Mr. Davis.
6 MR. DAVIS: Well, I guess then --
7 MS. GATELLI: You have many
8 animosities from previous things that we
9 have had dealings with and, you know, I
10 can't go back and change that.
11 MR. DAVIS: I'm not going to try and
12 deal with the past, I'm dealing with the
14 MS. GATELLI: You are carrying the
16 MR. DAVIS: Oh, well.
17 MS. GATELLI: That's what you are
19 MR. DAVIS: This is your opinion.
20 MS. GATELLI: I never disrespected
21 you at that podium.
22 MR. DAVIS: And, hey, you know what
23 it's your --
24 MS. GATELLI: I never disrespected
25 any of the speakers at the podium.
1 MR. DAVIS: And, you know, you have
2 the right to have this opinion as we have
3 all have, as I have, also, even though I am
4 black. I have an opinion. Great. That
5 doesn't matter. These kids have an opinion
6 and I do love the idea that so many people
7 in our audience defend you in so many
8 different ways, but that's the name of the
9 game. If you put yourself out here as a
10 public person you are going to get arrows,
11 there is no warrior that goes out of battle
12 without an arrow. You've got to understand
13 that. Not everybody is going to love you
14 and everybody is going to agree with you and
15 perhaps I have been very, very harsh in my
16 assessment of your duties or of your
17 abilities at this point in time, but I
18 really don't think that you are capable of
19 carrying on as the president.
20 MS. GATELLI: Well, that's your
21 opinion, Mr. Doherty -- Mr. Doherty.
22 Freudian slip.
23 MR. DAVIS: You heard that; right?
24 MS. GATELLI: I didn't call you
25 Mr. Williams.
1 MR. DAVIS: It's okay. We are trying
2 to get Tech Central together, and I use the
3 old term Tech Central because I'm from that
4 area, I'm a neighbor of that area, and I'm
5 telling you like this, although, you have
6 not put a cent, you have not talked to the
7 school board about making sure that there is
8 a play area in that list for the kids and we
9 have as many kids in Tech Central as there
10 is in any section in the city. And there is
11 nothing being done over and over and over.
12 I have come to this pulpit more than enough
13 times asking for, begging for some sort of a
14 grant that would run appropriate like a CEDA
15 program, I think you have all heard that
16 before, haven't you, at least once or twice.
17 Even Mr. Courtright even knows that; right?
18 I talk about a CEDA program, but we are
19 letting our kids go. We are asking them to
20 go to jail. We are asking them to do wrong.
21 We are asking them to be disobedient to
22 their fathers and their mothers and our
23 teachers because we are not providing for
24 them. We are supposed to provide guidance
25 for our children, God says that, not me.
1 Excuse me. Thank you very much.
2 MS. GATELLI: Thank you. Is there
3 anyone else that cares to speak before
4 council? Hi, Chrissy.
5 MR. SLEDENZSKI: Well, Judge, we lost
6 another one last week, but you remember
7 something guys, I'm proud of you. Everyone
8 of yous out there. Everyone I'm proud of.
9 Thank you.
10 MS. GATELLI: Thank you.
11 MR. ANEZ: Good evening, council, my
12 name is Jeffrey Anez, I'm a Scranton
13 resident. I won't take up too much time.
14 As a student of West Side High School I
15 would like you to know that myself along
16 with my history teacher, Mr. Murray, I don't
17 know --
18 MS. GATELLI: He is hiding up there.
19 MR. ANEZ: Well, Mr. Murray, and the
20 rest of my our class, all of them up there,
21 waive, if you want, are here tonight to
22 observe the meeting and defend the Scranton
23 Junior Council from the rumors they have
24 been receiving. They find it disgraceful
25 and shame of members of being wrote council.
1 Thank you.
2 MS. GATELLI: Anyone else?
3 MR. WARD: Good evening, council.
4 I'm John Ward, I live at 1,000 South Pine
5 Street. Every time, Mr. Courtright, knows
6 that every time there's a stop sign, there
7 is two state troopers that live there, in
8 our area, they should have a stop sign on
9 the -- coming down the hill. There is too
10 many little kids, they are going to get
11 killed. They are flying off the hill over
12 there. They behave like a bunch of maniacs
13 when they come down the hill. When they
14 come off and what happens they go into
15 midair, I mean, it's really bad. They
16 should put a stop sign on Railroad Avenue
17 there and Mulberry and I won't say nothing.
18 There was a gentleman here talking
19 about playgrounds, where I live there is no
20 playground. They go up to a little park in
21 the Abingtons with their kids and I have a
22 great-granddaughter, and a lot of other kids
23 and that's where all our kids go to the
24 little, park there is no playground there.
25 Mr. Courtright was there for awhile, it's a
1 very good council, so nice talking to you.
2 MS. GATELLI: Thank you. Anyone
4 MS. KRAKE: Good evening, council.
5 My name is Nancy Krake. I have a few
6 questions that I'd like to ask Mrs. Gatelli
7 or whomever you would like to refer it to
8 about the article on 5-28 in the Times about
9 KOZ's. It seems that some of the remarks
10 they made how incredibly wonderful KOZ's are
11 doing just a little bit off and maybe they
12 need a few more facts to back them up. The
13 first one says they employee 25 managers in
14 the downtown buildings. I would like to
15 know where they got the number 25 from, if
16 that's accurate, and how many of these
17 people are residents because they would be
18 the only people paying the wage tax which
19 they are referring to here, it sounds like
20 they are all paying the wage tax, and we
21 really have no idea if that's true.
22 And something else they maybe you
23 are familiar with, Mrs. Gatelli, some of the
24 other things they refer to in here a company
25 leaves a KOZ within two years it must repay
1 66 percent of it's abatement. If it leaves
2 after three years it must repay 33 percent
3 of it's abatement. It seems curious to me
4 if anyone is policing this. Maybe there is
5 a report that HUD has available or something
6 on that order that would be able to tell us
7 if these things are being followed through
8 on. There is huge amounts of revenue out
9 there that we didn't -- probably should be
10 aware of where it's at if we are able to
11 collect them or monitor them in some form.
12 I believe even the Scranton Times reported
13 part of that is to meet the KOZ eligibility
14 they must increase their full-time
15 employment by at least 20 percent in their
16 first full year in a KOZ or make capital
17 investment equal to 10 percent of their
18 previous year's gross revenues.
19 This is another thing that should
20 definitely be policed. So, if you would
21 kindly look into that for us I would
22 appreciate that. Another thing that was
23 mentioned in this article is that there are
24 26 new businesses. I was wondering if we
25 could get a list of those businesses. In
1 fact, one of the names they mentioned Pizano
2 Vending that is not a new business. It was
3 granted a KOZ, however, but it is not a new
4 business. In fact, I believe he has the
5 vending machines in the police building
6 where they used to be union vending machines
7 and went back to nonprofits, now they go to
8 a profit making company.
9 I had some questions for
10 Mrs. Fanucci, even though she is not here
11 maybe they could become part of the record
12 anyway, I would like to ask her since she
13 said last week that we could have her bring
14 anything back to Powell since she is our
15 liaison to them. There is a potentially
16 huge source of revenue in the single tax
17 office. I would ask her to have Powell
18 investigate how the single tax office
19 collects mercantile and wage taxes
20 especially the delinquencies. Of particular
21 interest would be the fact that they may be
22 discriminating by selectively enforcing this
23 tax collection. This would not only benefit
24 the city but also the school districts since
25 they collect for both entities.
1 And I have something another remark
2 here to make, it's not personal against
3 Mrs. Fanucci, I made the same remark to
4 Mr. Murphy when he was on Councill, last
5 week Mrs. Fanucci told me that she was
6 employed by the state and the --
7 MS. FANUCCI: I'm just running in.
8 MS. KRAKE: There is a conflict of
9 interest as she is the city's liaison,
10 Governor Rendell is her boss whom ultimately
11 Powell is also responsible to. Truly the
12 situation is much graver than a conflict of
13 interest, however, federal law prohibits
14 state employees from holding an elected
15 office, so I hope she would kindly consider
16 this fact and decide which she would rather
17 be, employed by the state or on city
18 council. Thank you.
19 MS. FANUCCI: I could respond to this
20 now, my position with the state was second
21 compared to my position with council. I had
22 clarified all of that through the state
23 before I took the job which would have been
24 the smart thing to do, and I'm sure that you
25 have done your homework on that, and found
1 out that my position does not hold any water
2 when it comes to financial or any monies
3 that come into the city, it's pretty much
4 clerical and dealing with constituent
5 inquiries and things of that nature which is
6 not really something that would, you know,
7 benefit or lose the city anything, so that
8 has already been cleared through the state
9 and that is why I took the position.
10 MS. GATELLI: Anyone else care to
12 MR. GERVASI: Good evening, City
13 Council. My name is Dave Gervasi,
14 firefighter, taxpayer, homeowner. I'm just
15 very quick tonight. Again, Mrs. Fanucci, no
16 disrespect intended from the comments last
17 week, but last week my comments did have to
18 do with city business and you have to
19 understand I don't know if you have ever
20 been in a situation where the Scranton Times
21 have been totally biased against people that
22 you represent, but this is the only forum
23 that we have to actually bring accurate and
24 fair and truthful news and information to
25 the public. And the only comment I have
1 tonight is another editorial, if you want to
2 call it that, that we are berating this
3 council for even questioning appealing the
4 police and firefighters' arbitration awards.
5 I believe they said there is only two
6 choices to reduce services or raise taxes,
7 so the only choice would be to appeal it.
8 Well, again the Scranton Times, as they
9 always do, fails to realize that there are
10 other alternatives. We have talked about
11 alternatives for the past five years like
12 negotiating, like going after the
13 delinquencies, like Mr. Murphy said when he
14 was council president by tightening our
15 belts from the top down since the top is now
16 bloated, not the employees, which that may
17 have been the case 20 years ago it's no
18 longer the case, and as a gentleman said
19 when you call here you get answering
20 machines, we are lean and mean right now as
21 far as the workers, management has
22 ballooned, so our opinion is that we didn't
23 win this arbitration by any way, shape or
24 form. The mayor has a ton of management
25 rights. The mayor can close fire houses.
1 The mayor can reduce the amount of
2 firefighters, it's not exactly a win on our
3 side, but to say that the only alternative
4 is to appeal this like they are going to win
5 something more than they already have won I
6 think it's kind ridiculous and I think the
7 newspaper if they wanted to be fair they
8 would actually look into alternatives that
9 we have all talked about, ways to raise
10 revenue without hurting our taxpayers, ways
11 to clean up the play to pay politics, way to
12 bid out contracts to get your best deal,
13 ways to not hire political contributors to
14 higher paying wages than lower paying
15 unionized women did in those positions.
16 This is nothing but pay to play and
17 patronage and if you see it any other way
18 you are fooling yourself and you are in
19 denial, so until the mayor is serious about
20 going after delinquencies, until he is
21 serious about not giving away no show jobs
22 at higher rates that people he laid off we
23 are not talking to him, we are not backing
24 up and he is not going to be able to fool a
25 judge. So if he is smart he would probably
1 sit down and negotiate something, but giving
2 is a two-way street and we are not going to
3 pay for his mistakes. He is the one who
4 trimmed our debt when the police and
5 firefighters have gotten nothing.
6 Absolutely nothing. So you could spin
7 anyway you want, the newspaper can spin it
8 anyway they want, we didn't get anything.
9 We didn't cause this debt and everything has
10 been status quo for the last five years so
11 however they want to spin it that's fine,
12 but it's not the truth, it's not accurate
13 and it's a bunch of baloney. Thank you very
14 much for letting me speak.
15 MS. GATELLI: Anyone else?
16 MR. ANCHERANI: Good evening,
17 council. I'm Nelson Ancherani, resident and
18 taxpayer, city employee, financial secretary
19 of the FOP. I, again, came here to exercise
20 my right to free speech under the First
21 Amendment. I really thought it was going to
22 be a quiet day for me that I wasn't going to
23 say anything at all tonight, but that all
24 changed when I saw the editorial from the
25 Times/Tribune on the Internet. I'm going to
1 quote from part of it and then I'll speak
2 about that, "Like the horde of barbarians on
3 those Capital One credit card commercials
4 the legion doom that appears regularly at
5 Scranton City Council meetings is far
6 noisier than it is effective."
7 It looks like the regulars at city
8 council got a new name, legion of doom, I
9 like it, I don't know, I don't know what
10 they think, but I like it. The legion of
11 doom tells the truth when they speak at the
12 podium. If the truth is noisy, so be it.
13 What is quite about a 240 million dollar
14 plus debt for the next 28 years that the
15 poor, quiet and meek taxpayers are going to
16 have to pay? As for effective, a number of
17 years ago there were a few regular speakers
18 at council meetings. Some names that come
19 back to my mind are Joe Clifford, I remember
20 Jack is back, but I can't remember his last
21 name and Dick Lasky, they told it like it
22 was and started getting some more people
23 interested in what was going on in the city
24 and how taxpayer money was being spent.
25 That feeling of interest has now grown to
1 much more people attending council meetings
2 and speaking out on subjects that concern
3 me. The legion of doom former council
4 crazies have been asking more and more
5 questions and from this council and the
6 former council are getting answers so why is
7 it not effective? People want to know what
8 is going on in their government. They don't
9 want to be in the dark ages with a horde of
10 barbarians on those Capital One credit card
12 Another quote, I'll take another
13 part, "Armed with personal animosity, axes
14 to grind, blind partisanship and a total
15 disregard for inconvenient facts."
16 I see something different from these
17 editorials to hide behind Halloween masks
18 and don't have the courage to sign your
19 names to the editorials. I, along with
20 other speakers, come here with facts about
21 how they union has helped the city out in
22 years past when the city cried poverty. I
23 don't see the newspaper coming to our
24 defense so the editorials call it personal
25 animosity or axes to grind. No, I call it
1 getting the other side of the story. There
2 are two sides to every story.
3 Total disregard or inconvenient
4 facts. We tell the truth when we are at
5 this podium, so, yes, truth hurts, but who
6 does the truth hurt? It doesn't hurt the
7 people telling it. If the newspaper tells
8 one side of the story, example again, city
9 distressed, but doesn't tell the other side
10 of the union stories who have in the past
11 helped out and were willing to help out time
12 after time, I feel compelled to tell our
13 side. If the newspaper prints one side and
14 there is no rebuttal how are people supposed
15 to make a decision as to who is right or
16 wrong? What we speak are the facts so what
17 if they are inconvenient, who are they
18 inconvenient too?
19 "Regulars lineup at the microphone
20 to falsely and gleefully depict their city
21 as a latter-day Black Hole of Calcutta."
22 Again, we speakers are telling the
23 truth. You tell me -- they tell me we can't
24 depict our city of latter-day Black Hole of
25 Calcutta. We owe 240 million plus over the
1 next 28 years. Our grandchildren are going
2 to be paying off that debt. The next mayor
3 is going to be blamed for taxes that are
4 going to be raised to pay that off. There
5 will be substantial taxes, it's coming. So,
6 that is it where our money went into the
7 black hole of Scranton. This is just one of
8 the numerous examples, we could be here all
9 night if I was trying to list the rest of
10 them, but thank you.
11 MS. GATELLI: Thank you.
12 MR. LIPTAI: Good evening, city
13 council. Jack Liptai, city resident, city
14 inspector. I'd like to refute a few
15 comments that were made last week by one of
16 the speakers. He said that DPW was picking
17 up garbage in the Hill Section from the
18 students. Well, the past two weeks myself
19 and several other inspectors along with
20 several county officers have gone up to the
21 Hill Section to notify the property owners
22 that their garbage had to be removed.
23 The speaker also had indicated that
24 he had called my office and left a message
25 for me to call him. I called him numerous
1 times and was unable to make contact with
2 him. He had said that we had -- or that I
3 had issued a citation. No. What I said in
4 the letter I left at his home was that if he
5 didn't comply with the removal of the
6 garbage a citation would be issued. I went
7 back to his residence today, the garbage is
8 still there and I'm going on record to say
9 right now that if it's not removed by the
10 end of the weekend I will be filing a
11 citation, so I just wanted to clarify those
12 few points. Thank you very much.
13 MS. GATELLI: Mr. Liptai, I just have
14 a question.
15 MR. LIPTAI: Yes.
16 MS. GATELLI: Is the stuff that's
17 there near the curb?
18 MR. LIPTAI: Yes, it's near the curb
19 line. It's a combination of couches, chairs
20 appliances, television sets, nothing that
21 most people leave out and on a weekly basis,
22 and we had a similar situation in East
23 Mountain, a complaint had come in about
24 somebody their aunt had passed away, they
25 needed to have the garbage removed, they had
1 piled it out and the garbage man did not
2 pick it up, we went up and notified the
3 owners they got a dumpster and they had to
4 remove it themselves, so that that's the
5 normal policy and procedures.
6 MS. GATELLI: What do we do in the
7 case if you person can't afford a dumpster?
8 I mean, I was under the impression that
9 maybe they wouldn't pick it up that much,
10 you know, if there an excess amount, but if
11 you put a chair out or, you know, couch out
12 that they would pick it up because there is
13 no spring cleanups anymore.
14 MR. LIPTAI: Right, but he literally
15 emptied his entire home and if it was just a
16 few items on a weekly basis, yes, I'm sure
17 DPW would have made arrangements to pick it
19 MS. GATELLI: Okay. Thank you very
20 much. Anyone else?
21 MS. GARVEY: 5-A motions.
22 MS. GATELLI: Mrs. Evans?
23 MS. EVANS: First, good evening.
24 There is a very special gentleman at the
25 Dunmore Health Care Center who watches city
1 council devotedly each day and I just wanted
2 to say, "Hi, Cy," and thanks for watching as
3 you do.
4 Mrs. Krake, with regard to the
5 questions you posed earlier, I'm assuming
6 that you were specifically referring to
7 Southern Union? I do recall Mr. Namey
8 having addressed council at a public caucus
9 meeting and stating that each of the KOZ's
10 and's KOEZ's, of which there is no great
11 difference, are required to submit an
12 application form yearly, in other words, to
13 reapply for their status and that, of
14 course, is submitted to the state. The
15 state also employs a monitoring department
16 whose job it is to do just that, monitor the
18 Now, when city council sent a letter
19 requesting that the monitoring department
20 visit Scranton and examine Southern Union
21 the response received was that it was the
22 city's responsibility first to determine all
23 of that information. Thereafter, a letter
24 was sent to a executive of Southern Union
25 posing precisely the questions that you
1 raised this evening and to date no response
2 has been received, so it seems very
3 difficult for the city to accurately monitor
4 the situation and the state appears to be
5 shirking it's responsibility.
6 At last week's council meeting Mrs.
7 Gatelli made some statements that require my
8 clarification tonight. When I ran for
9 reelection to city council in 2005 I had a
10 few campaign parties, Sloan Little League
11 members attended one of those parties and
12 purchased six tickets at $25 each rather
13 than paying individually one check for six
14 tickets equalling $150 was written. Little
15 league members also attended this party in
16 the hope of discussing their field with
17 school directors who were also present at my
18 party as was Mr. Dibileo, Mr. Courtright and
19 very likely Mrs. Gatelli who was also
20 running for city council at this time. So
21 the campaign contribution Mrs. Gatelli
22 alluded to last Thursday was a $150
23 donation, not contribution, for six tickets.
24 Mrs. Gatelli also stated that Sloan
25 Little League would have an unfair advantage
1 over the school district if they were
2 granted a three-year lease. Now, can you
3 imagine maybe 100 hard-working average
4 people from West Scranton having an unfair
5 advantage over 100 million dollar school
6 district? If weren't so ludicrous it would
7 be laughable. Here is the bottom line, I'm
8 not running for relection to city council.
9 I was not bought with six party tickets. My
10 job as a councilwoman is to fight for the
11 people. I see a David versus Goliath
12 situation here and the little people, in
13 other words, versus the biggest, most
14 powerful governing and taxing body in
15 Scranton, the school district. Sloan needs
16 help and protection and I am making certain
17 that they get just that and that they get a
18 fair shake.
19 And if I may, here are the other
20 donations I have received from Sloan, two
21 baseballs. This one was thrown out by me as
22 the first pitch of the season in 2005 and
23 it's signed by all of the girls on one of
24 the Sloan Baseball Association softball
25 teams. This ball represents the first pitch
1 to be thrown out in the 2006 season which
2 was very recently, and I only have one
3 signature on this, but it's a little leaguer
4 Cameron Williams.
5 Now, I also have this week's citizen
6 requests, Wood Street and North Rebecca
7 Avenue there is a vacant lot which serves as
8 a dumping ground and it has become an
9 eyesore to neighbors. The owner died long
10 ago and the lot is owned by the estate.
11 However, the city has been unable to locate
12 any of the survivors. Could the city go to
13 Court to take it over and then sell the
14 property so that it might be maintained in
15 the proper fashion?
16 Across the street from 2904 Cedar
17 Avenue there is empty lot which is city
18 owned. It's extremely overgrown and
19 littered with bottles and rubbish, please
20 address ASAP.
21 1707 Lafayette Street neighbors
22 report that this rental property is littered
23 with garbage and that a tree still remains
24 down on the property. Please send an
1 I read these requests weekly because
2 I want the work done and this system has
3 most often proved successful. I don't
4 publically report the completed work because
5 the residents e-mail or call me to report
6 that their problems have been solved and,
7 frankly, that's all I need. Thank you.
8 That's it.
9 MS. GATELLI: Mrs. Fanucci?
10 MS. FANUCCI: Yes. I only have two
11 things to report tonight, but before I start
12 I'm going to make a motion that we start
13 adhering to our rules. When someone is in
14 the middle of motions that they have the
15 time which we all deserve and we respect
16 each other during our motions so that we can
17 get across what we need to do, so I'm going
18 to do it the form of a motion and I'd like
19 to make a motion that during a motion other
20 council members respect when other people
21 are speaking and let them have the time that
22 they deserve which is in our rules.
23 MR. COURTRIGHT: I'll second that.
24 MS. FANUCCI: Thank you.
25 MS. GATELLI: On the question?
1 MS. EVANS: That is in our rules?
2 MS. FANUCCI: Yeah.
3 MS. EVANS: Well, if it's in our
4 rules that I don't think we need a motion.
5 MS. FANUCCI: Well, then we need to
6 adhere to it.
7 MS. EVANS: Oh, I agree.
8 MS. FANUCCI: I make a motion that we
9 should adhere to it.
10 MS. GATELLI: All in favor? Aye.
11 MS. EVANS: Aye.
12 MS. FANUCCI: Aye.
13 MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.
14 MR. MCTIERNAN: Aye.
15 MS. GATELLI: Opposed? The ayes
16 have it and so moved.
17 MS. FANUCCI: And second I just want
18 to talk about the art in the park program,
19 and he always leave when I have something to
20 say. We are meeting with the director of
21 Art to Heart to try to come together to do
22 one program to see if we have something.
23 Now, I don't think that they are going to be
24 doing the laniards that they were talking
25 about earlier, but to do some type of
1 project that the children that could do
2 something in the park so that actually will
3 be theirs forever, some type of art that
4 will be there to say, "This is what we have
5 done," but they have not done anything
6 formally. Supposedly, from what I hard,
7 this is going to happen this week so we have
8 something concrete next week to report on
9 this whole project and that's really all I
11 MS. GATELLI: Mr. McTiernan?
12 MR. MCTIERNAN: Thank you, Mrs.
13 Gatelli. Two weeks ago I made some comments
14 regarding the Scranton school districts and
15 the Sloan little league discussions
16 regarding their fields and I spent so much
17 time trying to make sure that I didn't
18 offend anybody my marks were almost
19 intelligible, I had a chance to read them
20 back, so I need clarify a few things. First
21 of all, I need to apologize to the folks who
22 volunteer at the Sloan Little League because
23 the little league field and the surrounding
24 buildings are in good shape. My remarks
25 were solely directed at the teener league
1 field which I still do believe is in need of
3 Second of all, I probably need to
4 say that my position was and still remains a
5 mutually beneficial agreement between the
6 school district and the little league and
7 that is my hope that their continued
8 negotiations lead them in that direction and
9 that is all I have, Mrs. Gatelli.
10 MS. GATELLI: Mr. Courtright?
11 MR. COURTRIGHT: Yes. Last week I
12 heard Mr. Parker said there was a traffic
13 study in the intersection of Railroad and
14 Broadway and Mrs. Evans asked when was the
15 study done. I spoke with Mr. Parker the
16 next morning and he said it was done this
17 past winter, so it must have been a recent
18 study. Also, last week, and it's been
19 brought up in the past not just last week,
20 about the Sewer Authority and, obviously,
21 now we owe a lot of money because we didn't
22 follow through on a deal we had with the
23 water company and I think what I'm going to
24 do is, because this has been brought up, and
25 I don't know if it's a good idea or bad idea
1 but I'm going to call Mr. Barrett and ask
2 him would the sewer authority consider
3 putting it out for bid now and if you would
4 bring that before this board and see if it's
5 something they might want to do, does he
6 think it's a good idea, does he think it
7 would save the taxpayers' money? So he has
8 been there a long time, I'll ask for his
9 input on that and maybe that's what might
10 end up happening if it can benefit the city
11 then I'd be for it, so I'm going to give him
12 a call and ask him what he thinks about
14 I got calls on the nine and ten
15 hundred block of South Ninth Avenue, cars
16 traveling in the wrong direction, the police
17 have been checking on it and they will
18 continue to check to know.
19 And I spoke to Lori Reed today from
20 OECD on a different matter, but I asked her
21 about something that I have been bringing up
22 quite a bit that was money from the south
23 side stealers field for irrigation and she
24 said she would forward that to who it needed
25 before I will get a call back from other
1 person there and Mr. Calson will follow-up
2 on that.
3 And one last thing, I think
4 everybody knows from day one my position on
5 paying for swimming. I wasn't in favor of
6 it, and it doesn't appear that's going to go
7 away, but what I would ask is because I have
8 been told this all along that no one will be
9 turned away. If your child and you get
10 turned away this summer I wish you would
11 call me or e-mail so we can rectify me
12 because it doesn't appear that this swimming
13 fee is going to go away so let's just make
14 sure no one does get turned away, so whether
15 you want to call me or e-mail me if you get
16 turned away and we'll see if we can't remedy
17 that situation because I don't believe
18 anybody should get turned away, and that's
19 all I have, thank you.
20 MS. GATELLI: I just have one thing,
21 I'd like to make a motion that we eliminate
22 the fee for swimming at the city pools.
23 MS. EVANS: I'll second that.
24 MS. GATELLI: On the question? All
25 in favor?
1 MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.
2 MS. EVANS: Aye.
3 MS. FANUCCI: Aye.
4 MS. GATELLI: Opposed?
5 MR. MCTIERNAN: No.
6 MS. GATELLI: Could we have a roll
7 call, Neil, just to clarify?
8 MS. EVANS: Before we do though, do
9 you mean all including Nay Aug or just our
10 neighborhood --
11 MS. GATELLI: I don't think we can
12 include Nay Aug because I think that comes
13 under the Rec Authority, I don't think we
14 have jurisdiction there, so it would just be
15 at Reston.
16 MR. MCTIERNAN: I didn't understand
17 the motion.
18 MS. EVANS: The neighborhood pools
19 would no longer be charging.
20 MS. GATELLI: Would have free
22 MS. FANUCCI: Neighborhood pools?
23 MS. GATELLI: Yes. Does everyone
24 understand that motion now?
25 MS. FANUCCI: Yes.
1 MS. GATELLI: Just the neighborhood
3 MS. EVANS: I would like to see Nay
4 Aug included as well, but Mrs. Gatelli
5 raises a valid point, that is controlled by
6 the Recreation Authority and so I think it's
7 a wonderful, wonderful first step to take to
8 eliminate the swimming fee throughout the
9 neighborhoods and I am going to vote in
10 favor of it.
11 MS. GATELLI: Roll call.
12 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Evans?
13 MS. EVANS: Yes.
14 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Fanucci?
15 MS. FANUCCI: Yes.
16 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. McTiernan?
17 MR. MCTIERNAN: Yes.
18 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. Courtright?
19 MR. COURTRIGHT: Yes.
20 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Gatelli?
21 MS. GATELLI: Yes. And I would just
22 like to say that I apologize for getting
23 into a conflict last week with Mrs. Evans.
24 I don't normally like to do that. I do
25 apologize. However, when someone questions
1 my integrity I get a little uptight about
2 it, so I think that if we all try to respect
3 each other up here as collegues, we are all
4 colleagues. Everybody up here is trying to
5 do the right thing, we may have a different
6 angle of getting at a solution, but we are
7 all here, I'm sure, for the right reasons,
8 and all of us may have little different
9 interests from one another and, you know,
10 sometimes that leads us to conflict, but I
11 think that as council people we need to set
12 the example for everyone else, for the
13 junior council, for the people that speak
14 here, we need to be the role models and I
15 think that if we have anything to say to
16 each other that maybe we can start a
17 dialogue with each other, calling each other
18 on the phone, discussing things before we
19 get out here on the days and maybe it would
20 stop some of the bickering that goes on
21 among each other. I respect all of my
22 colleagues up here and we all have the same
23 goal in mind. So, I do apologize for going
24 a little off the handle last week, but, like
25 I said, when I feel like I'm in a corner I
1 don't have anyway to respond but to try to
2 defend myself and my reputation. So, I do
3 apologize Mrs. Evans --
4 MS. EVANS: Thank you.
5 MS. GATELLI: -- for having that
6 little conflict with you and I hope that we
7 can see eye-to-eye with all of us up here
8 and we all have the same goal and let's
9 please try to work together and that's all I
10 have. Mrs. Garvey.
11 MS. GARVEY: 5-B - FOR INTRODUCTION -
12 A RESOLUTION - AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND
13 OTHER APPROPRIATE CITY OFFICIALS FOR THE
14 CITY OF SCRANTON TO ENTER INTO A LOAN
15 AGREEMENT TO MAKE A LOAN FROM THE
16 COMMERCIAL/INDUSTRIAL REVOLVING LOAN
17 PROGRAM, PROJECT NO. 150.1 IN AN AMOUNT NOT
18 TO EXCEED $50,000 TO D & S AUTO SALES, INC.
19 TO ASSIST IN ELIGIBLE PROJECT.
20 MS. GATELLI: At this time I'll
21 entertain a motion that item 5-B be
23 MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.
24 MS. FANUCCI: Second.
25 MS. GATELLI: On the question? All
1 those in favor? Aye.
2 MS. EVANS: Aye.
3 MS. FANUCCI: Aye.
4 MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.
5 MR. MCTIERNAN: Aye.
6 MS. GATELLI: Opposed? The ayes
7 have it and so moved.
8 MR. COURTRIGHT: Mrs. Garvey, before
9 you read 5-C I'd like to make a motion that
10 we table 5-C.
11 MR. MCTIERNAN: Second.
12 MS. GATELLI: On the question? All
13 in favor? Aye.
14 MS. EVANS: Aye.
15 MS. FANUCCI: Aye.
16 MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.
17 MR. MCTIERNAN: Aye.
18 MS. GATELLI: Opposed? The ayes
19 have it and so moved.
20 MS. GARVEY: Sixth order, no business
21 at this time.
22 Seventh order. FOR CONSIDERATION
23 7-A - CONSIDERATION BY THE COMMITTEE ON
24 RULES FOR ADOPTION FILED TO COUNCIL NO. 26,
25 2006 - APPROVING THE TRANSFER OF A
1 RESTAURANT LIQUOR LICENSE IN THE NAME OF
2 LITTLE DICK'S, INCORPORATED, TA/ 7TH AVENUE,
3 CITY OF CARBONDALE, LICENSE NO. R-17472
4 PRESENTLY HELD IN SAFE KEEPING BY THE PLCB
5 TO G-FORCE ENTERPRISES, INCORPORATED T/A/
6 BLUES STREET FOR USE AT 222 WYOMING AVENUE,
7 THE RITZ BUILDING, SCRANTON, PENNSYLVANIA,
8 18503, AS REQUIRED BY THE PENNSYLVANIA
9 LIQUOR CONTROL BOARD.
10 MS. GATELLI: As chairperson for the
11 Committee on Rules I recommend final passage
12 of 7-A.
13 MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.
14 MS. GATELLI: On the question? Roll
16 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Evans?
17 MS. EVANS: Yes.
18 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Fanucci?
19 MS. FANUCCI: Yes.
20 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. McTiernan?
21 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. Courtright?
22 MR. COURTRIGHT: Yes.
23 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Gatelli?
24 MS. GATELLI: Yes. I hereby declare
25 7-A legally and lawfully adopted.
1 MS. GARVEY: 7-B - FOR CONSIDERATION
2 BY THE COMMITTEE ON FINANCE - FOR ADOPTION -
3 FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 38, 2006 - AS AMENDED -
4 SALE OF TAX DELINQUENT PROPERTY AT 814
5 BLUCHER AVENUE, SCRANTON, PENNSYLVANIA, TO
6 THE IRISH CULTURAL SOCIETY, BOX 3242,
7 SCRANTON, PENNSYLVANIA, 18505, FOR THE SUM
8 OF $800.
9 MS. GATELLI: What is the
10 recommendation of the Chairperson on
12 MR. MCTIERNAN: I recommend final
13 passage of Item 7-B.
14 MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.
15 MS. GATELLI: On the question? Roll
17 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Evans?
18 MS. EVANS: Yes.
19 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Fanucci?
20 MS. FANUCCI: Yes.
21 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. McTiernan?
22 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. Courtright?
23 MR. COURTRIGHT: Yes.
24 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Gatelli?
25 MS. GATELLI: Yes. I hereby declare
1 7-B legally and lawfully adopted.
2 MS. GARVEY: 7-C - FOR CONSIDERATION
3 BY THE COMMITTEE ON PUBLIC WORKS - FOR
4 ADOPTION - RESOLUTION NO. 57, 2006 -
5 AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND OTHER APPROPRIATE
6 CITY OFFICIALS TO ENTER INTO A REIMBURSEMENT
7 AGREEMENT 048809 WITH THE COMMONWEALTH OF
8 PENNSYLVANIA, DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION
9 TO PARTICIPATE IN THE 2006 "K" ROUTES
10 PROJECT AND THEREBY BECOME ELIGIBLE FOR AN
11 ESTIMATED $584,00 IN FEDERAL REIMBURSEMENT
12 FOR CONSTRUCTION COSTS.
13 MS. GATELLI: What is the
14 recommendation of the Chairperson on Public
16 MS. EVANS: As chair for the
17 Committee on Public Works I recommend final
18 passage of Item 7-C.
19 MR. MCTIERNAN: Second.
20 MS. GATELLI: On the question? Roll
22 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Evans?
23 MS. EVANS: Yes.
24 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Fanucci?
25 MS. FANUCCI: Yes.
1 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. McTiernan?
2 MR. MCTIERNAN: Yes.
3 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. Courtright?
4 MR. COURTRIGHT: Yes.
5 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Gatelli?
6 MS. GATELLI: Yes. I hereby declare
7 7-C legally and lawfully adopted.
8 MS. GARVEY: 7-D - FOR CONSIDERATION
9 BY THE COMMITTEE ON RULES - FOR ADOPTION -
10 RESOLUTION NO. 58, 2006, AUTHORIZING THE
11 MAYOR AND OTHER APPROPRIATE CITY OFFICIALS
12 TO EXECUTE AND ENTER INTO A PROFESSIONAL
13 SERVICES CONTRACT WITH MELLON BANK TO SERVE
14 AS TRUSTEE FOR THE CITY OF SCRANTON PENSION
15 PLANS PER MELLON'S PROPOSAL.
16 MS. GATELLI: As the chairperson for
17 the committee on rules I recommend final
18 passage of 7-D.
19 MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.
20 MS. GATELLI: On the question?
21 MS. FANUCCI: I have some issues with
22 this. I have struggled over even discussing
23 this because I just can't -- I don't know
24 exactly how to approach it, but I'm going to
25 say some things that I really can't believe
1 I'm going to say, this contract is extremely
2 important to us as taxpayers, we all know
3 that because we are the ones who are going
4 to have to bail the pension fund if this
5 goes through. I do not have a problem with
6 any of the participants, my problem is the
7 fact that Mrs. Evans is going to vote on
8 this and I can tell you why, do you feel
9 that you have promised your vote in support
10 of this before this vote has come down?
11 MS. EVANS: Have I promised my vote
12 to whom?
13 MS. FANUCCI: To the unions. To the
14 union representatives, this vote?
15 MS. EVANS: I'm sure they are aware
16 I'm in favor of this, yes.
17 MS. FANUCCI: How long ago have you
18 made this promise?
19 MS. EVANS: Oh, probably since, oh,
20 honestly I can't remember, but I think it
21 dates back to 2005.
22 MS. FANUCCI: Right. My problem is
23 that you made a promised for a vote in lieu
24 of support. You had asked for the union to
25 support you for your vote.
1 MS. EVANS: Support me in what?
2 MS. FANUCCI: In your election, in
3 your life and everything that you have been
4 doing. "My vote will be your vote for
5 choice of pension manager."
6 MS. EVANS: Can I see that?
7 MS. FANUCCI: Yeah, it's in your
8 campaign. It signed by your campaign in
9 black and white with the words, you know,
10 elected and approved by Janet Tomko-Evans.
11 MS. EVANS: Um --
12 MS. FANUCCI: Wait one second. You
13 said, "I will support your choice for
14 pension manager in March." The vote has
15 come down today and you said, "My vote is
16 your vote," so you are promising all of the
17 city unionized employees your vote. Now,
18 and you know I really don't have a problem
19 with accepting contributions and voting
20 because that's what they do, I have a
21 problem with a promise of your vote. I have
22 a problem with, you know, you being signed,
23 sealed and delivered. I have a problem that
24 every meeting I sit here and listen to paid
25 to play politics. I hear all the time, you
1 know, this is what we you are doing, you are
2 signed, sealed and delivered. You are paid
3 to play, your promise in exchange of. This
4 is what we do constantly and this is what
5 has been harped on since I started here,
6 every speaker does come up and that's what I
7 hear, you know, this is what we do, this is
8 who we are. I do, I have a major problem
9 with it and I'm going to ask you to abstain
10 from the vote and that's all. That's all I
12 MS. EVANS: Well, if I could provide
13 the information that was significantly taken
14 out of context. This is an ad in the Union
15 News that says, "I am proud to be an active
16 union member," which, indeed, I am and I
17 have been one for 21 years and my son is a
18 union member, and my daughter is a union
19 member, and my father had been a union
20 member, unions represent the hard working
21 middle class people of America who are the
22 backbone of this country.
23 MS. FANUCCI: No doubt. No doubt.
24 Absolutely. No doubt.
25 MS. EVANS: Absolutely, and in the ad
1 I state that I have been an active union
2 member, exactly what I have said to you. I
3 also list the ways in which I supported
4 unions such as provided 55,000 to hire
5 additional neighborhood police officers --
6 MS. FANUCCI: It's not your resume
7 I'm worried about, it's the voting, "My vote
8 is your vote" that is my problem. It has
9 nothing to with -- I know all of the
10 wonderful things you have done for the
11 unions and I bet they appreciate all of the
12 things you have done for them. The problem
13 is your promise of your vote for this
15 MS. EVANS: Are you finished?
16 MS. FANUCCI: Probably not, but, go
18 MS. EVANS: Well, just so that you
19 won't interrupt again.
20 MS. FANUCCI: This is my motion.
21 MS. EVANS: Well, in addition to
22 that, fought for videocameras on Scranton
23 DPW trucks. Fought to fund purchases of
24 much needed Scranton police vehicles. I
25 think these are causes that directly benefit
1 the people of the City of Scranton because
2 we are talking about their public safety.
3 Now, in my final paragraph I do say, "I once
4 again seek your support and renew my pledge
5 that my vote will be your vote," and that
6 has been a campaign slogan of mine since
7 2003 when I first made the pledge to all of
8 the people of the City of Scranton and that
9 includes all of the union members who reside
10 in Scranton and pay Scranton taxes my vote
11 will be your vote and I proudly say that
12 again tonight, my vote will be your vote and
13 that represents thousands and thousands of
14 people rather than one person who makes
15 significant contributions to gain himself
16 close to a million dollars in business off
17 the backs of the taxpayers of this city.
18 Now, I have --
19 MS. FANUCCI: What does this have to
20 do with --
21 MS. EVANS: I am aware of the union's
22 choice of Mellon Bank since your being
23 seated on this council. I sat down with
24 that board and everyone involved and I
25 looked at the facts and figures and I was
1 convinced that the smartest thing to do was,
2 indeed, to hire the lowest responsible
3 pension manager. In other words, the lowest
4 responsible bidder and that company was well
5 represented at that day last week.
6 Now, there is an effort afoot to
7 give this business to companies that are not
8 the lowest responsible bidders and that,
9 once again, involves big campaign
10 contributions and politics in this City of
12 MS. FANUCCI: No.
13 MS. EVANS: No? Because there isn't
14 any one person out there that can say, "He
15 gave me $500. She gave me a $1,000 to make
16 sure this was would happen.
17 We have a mayor, for example, who took
18 a million dollars in contributions. Now,
19 you tell me is he going to represent the
20 70,000 people and the union members of
21 Scranton on is he going to represent the
22 million dollars worth of contributors?
23 Now, I'm not going to allow you to
24 taint something like this because we are not
25 talking about one individual, we are talking
1 about all of the people of Scranton. Yes,
2 we are talking about all of the unions and,
3 in fact, we are talking about all of the
4 people of the City of Scranton who pay those
5 unions and I say, once again, unequivocally,
6 my vote is your vote and I will be voting.
7 MS. FANUCCI: Well, after all of
8 that, and I understand exactly what you are
9 saying about how you believe that this goes
10 down, you have promised in lieu of support.
11 You promised your vote, so whether or not
12 you think that that isn't something to take
13 light of and the unions, as wonderful as
14 they are, the city unions are not the 70,000
15 people in the. City, there are other people
16 to be considering and I don't see how you
17 can say to have a special interest group
18 already bought and paid for and you already
19 decided in March with the special interest
20 group --
21 MS. EVANS: No.
22 MS. FANUCCI: That you are still
23 representing the seniors and the children
24 and everyone else out there who deserves the
25 opportunity to also have your vote.
1 MS. EVANS: And they always have and
2 they know it and they know how I fight for
3 them, but, in fact --
4 MS. FANUCCI: I don't understand.
5 MS. EVANS: -- I'll correct you, I
6 pretty much had made that decision in 2005,
7 as I said, and when I cast this vote I am,
8 in fact, protecting all of the people of the
9 city. I'm saving them money by choosing the
10 lowest responsible bidder. Now, if you
11 would like the highest bidder and know that
12 you're costing everyone who sits out there
13 extra money be my guest.
14 MS. FANUCCI: My problem is not with
15 Mellon Bank. My problem is with you voting.
16 MS. EVANS: Well, I think you have
17 had a problem with this for weeks and weeks
18 and weeks.
19 MS. GATELLI: May I please interrupt?
20 MS. EVANS: Be my guest.
21 MS. GATELLI: It seems that we have
22 had several of these since we've got here
23 people saying, you know, you have a conflict
24 because you took a contribution, I said it
25 myself last week to Mrs. Evans so, Attorney
1 Minora, could you give us a legal opinion
2 next week written as to exactly what we have
3 to do abstain from?
4 MR. MINORA: Well, I can tell you
5 that obtaining a campaign contribution does
6 not disqualify you from voting on an issue
7 for that contributor. You have a conflict
8 when you have a direct financial interest in
9 the outcome, that's a conflict. There is
10 ethics rulings to that effect --
11 MS. EVANS: So, in other words, if I
12 work for Mellon.
13 MR. MINORA: Yeah, if you work for
14 Mellon Bank.
15 MS. EVANS: And I vote on this.
16 MR. MINORA: Yes.
17 MS. EVANS: That is a conflict of
19 MR. MINORA: Well, not necessarily if
20 you work for them --
21 MS. EVANS: Well, if I were a
23 MR. MINORA: If you have a direct
24 financial interest. Mellon is an awfully
25 big bank so I'm not sure having --being a
1 shareholder would be direct, but if it were
2 a small corporation and you were one of two
3 or three shareholders where you would
4 receive a direct financial benefit I think
5 that would be a different story.
6 MS. FANUCCI: How about the promise,
7 the promise of a vote in lieu of something
8 else? I mean, you are selling your vote.
9 My problem is not the contributions, we all
10 need contributions to get here, I said that
11 from day one, I mean, none of us would be
12 able to sit here if we didn't have
13 contributions, my problem is not the
14 contribution, my problem is the fact that
15 it's a promise of a vote for a contribution.
16 MR. MINORA: I don't believe that
17 that would be a conflict of interest. I
18 think promising your vote as a matter of
19 conscience is fine. I just don't see a
20 problem with that. It is the same as a
21 contribution from a contributor a supporter
22 unless you have a direct financial interest,
23 that's when a conflict always, always
25 MS. GATELLI: Thank you, Attorney
2 MS. FANUCCI: You don't believe
3 ethically that this is a problem?
4 MR. MINORA: I do not.
5 MS. FANUCCI: Okay. All right.
6 MS. GATELLI: Thank you.
7 MS. EVANS: And I'll be happy to
8 bring copies of other advertisements that
9 have appeared in the Scranton Times where I
10 have pledged by vote would be the vote of
11 all of the citizens of Scranton.
12 MS. FANUCCI: Well, Mrs. Evans, I
13 just took your lead on this, you know? I
14 mean, this is how we started off and I had
15 said from day one I have never promised
16 anything for anything, but to promise
17 something I would feel is wrong and I'm
18 going to feel it's wrong always because to
19 me you need to look at everything in a whole
20 and to already say, yes, is definitely a
21 problem to me. Do I not support the unions?
22 Absolutely not. That has nothing to do with
23 it. It's not a union issue. It was not
24 supposed to not be an issue from what I
25 remember saying from day one that the Union
1 Pension Board was not an issue, it was for
2 everyone, but when I looked at this I
3 thought it must be a union issue, it has to
4 be only a union issue even though there were
5 other people involved. That was a special
6 interest group to me. That was offensive to
7 me and that that's all -- that was the only
8 reason that triggered this off. I thought,
9 you know, I don't know how anyone can sit
10 here and say when you are promising
11 something that was my problem. But, I mean,
12 that's your decision to make, that is your,
13 you know, you are the one that has to do
14 that just like I had to do it when it was
16 MS. GATELLI: We have a legal opinion
18 MS. FANUCCI: And we have a legal
19 opinion now, that's fine. It did bother me
20 and whether or not, I mean, the vote is not
21 changing, so --
22 MS. EVANS: I, frankly, have to tell
23 you I found it very offensive to take
24 sizable contributions from an individual and
25 then give him a $100,000 contract.
1 MS. FANUCCI: Right, there is an 80
2 million dollar contact with contributions
3 from people who are directly, AFSCME, and
4 all of the other unions up there this is
5 directly from them and they even said --
6 MS. EVANS: It's their money.
7 MS. FANUCCI: They contribute to
8 your campaign, too.
9 MS. EVANS: Yes.
10 MS. FANUCCI: It's only the same so
11 it is 80 million, so, yeah, you are right it
12 is a few hundred thousand as opposed to 80
13 million so --
14 MS. EVANS: I know, it's only one man
15 getting a million dollars versus, I don't
16 know how many thousands with their pension
18 MS. FANUCCI: Okay.
19 MS. EVANS: And, you know, it was
20 handed out on a silver platter and continued
21 to remain that way even without the approval
22 of city council.
23 MS. FANUCCI: And yet he wasn't
24 promised a vote, isn't that amazing?
25 MS. EVANS: I don't know.
1 MS. FANUCCI: It wasn't.
2 MS. EVANS: I don't think he
3 contributed to too many people sitting here.
4 MS. FANUCCI: Well, the unions didn't
5 contribute to me and I'm still voting on
6 their stuff, you know? I didn't make a
7 promise, I'm still voting, but --
8 MS. GATELLI: They gave to me. I
9 don't have to abstain, do I?
10 MS. FANUCCI: Did you promise?
11 MS. GATELLI: No. All right, can we
12 move on? Thank you. I forget where we were
13 at now. Call the question?
14 MR. MINORA: Call the question.
15 MS. GATELLI: Anyone else on the
16 question? Roll call?
17 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Evans?
18 MS. EVANS: Yes.
19 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Fanucci?
20 MS. FANUCCI: No.
21 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. McTiernan?
22 MR. MCTIERNAN: Yes.
23 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. Courtright?
24 MR. COURTRIGHT: Yes.
25 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Gatelli?
1 MS. GATELLI: Yes. I hereby 7-D
2 legally and unlawfully adopted.
3 MS. GARVEY: 7-E. FOR CONSIDERATION
4 BY THE COMMITTEE ON PUBLIC WORKS - FOR
5 ADOPTION - RESOLUTION NO. 59, 2006 -
6 AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND OTHER APPROPRIATE
7 CITY OFFICIALS TO EXECUTE AN ENTER INTO
8 SUPPLEMENTAL ENGINEERING AGREEMENT NUMBER
9 041912-C WITH TRAFFIC PLANNING AND DESIGN,
10 INC. TO AMEND PART I OF THE AGREEMENT FOR
11 ADDITIONAL FUNDING IN THE AMOUNT OF
12 $52,312.66 TO COVER THE COST OF UPGRADING
13 INTERSECTION PLANS AND TO ADD EMERGENCY
14 PREEMPTION FOR THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT
15 SIGNALIZATION IMPROVEMENT PROJECT.
16 MS. GATELLI: What is the
17 recommendation of the chair on public works?
18 MS. EVANS: As chair for the
19 Committee on Public Works I recommend final
20 passage of Item 7-E.
21 MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.
22 MS. GATELLI: On the question? Roll
24 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Evans?
25 MS. EVANS: Yes.
1 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Fanucci?
2 MS. FANUCCI: Yes.
3 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. McTiernan?
4 MR. MCTIERNAN: Yes.
5 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. Courtright?
6 MR. COURTRIGHT: Yes.
7 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Gatelli?
8 MS. GATELLI: Yes. I hereby declare
9 7-E legally and lawfully adopted. Do I have
10 a motion to adjourn?
11 MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved?
12 MS. GATELLI: Second it? All in
14 MS. EVANS: Aye.
15 MS. FANUCCI: Aye.
16 MR. MCTIERNAN: Aye.
17 MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.
18 MS. GATELLI: Adjourned.
2 C E R T I F I C A T E
4 I hereby certify that the proceedings and
5 evidence are contained fully and accurately in the
6 notes of testimony taken by me at the hearing of the
7 above-captioned matter and that the foregoing is a true
8 and correct transcript of the same to the best of my
CATHENE S. NARDOZZI
13 OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER