1 SCRANTON CITY COUNCIL
IN RE: FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 36, 2006 - AN ORDINANCE -
6 APPROVING THE TRANSFER OF A RESTAURANT LIQUOR LICENSE
IN THE NAME OF LITTLE DICK'S, INC. T/A 7TH AVE. WEST,
7 CITY OF CARBONDALE, LICENSE NO. R-17472 PRESENTLY HELD
IN SAFE KEEPING BY THE PLCB TO G-FORCE ENTERPRISES,
8 INC. T/A BLUES STREET FOR USE AT 222 WYOMING AVENUE,
THE RITZ BUILDING, SCRANTON, PENNSYLVANIA, 18503 AS
9 REQUIRED BY THE PENNSYLVANIA LIQUOR CONTROL BOARD.
Thursday, May 25, 2006
16 6:15 p.m.
20 Scranton City Hall
340 North Washington Avenue
21 Scranton, Pennsylvania
24 Lisa M. Graff, RMR
1 CITY OF SCRANTON COUNCIL:
3 MS. JUDY GATELLI, COUNCIL PRESIDENT
5 MR. WILLIAM COURTRIGHT, VICE-PRESIDENT
MS. JANET EVANS
MS. SHERRY NEALON FANUCCI
MR. JOHN MINORA, ESQUIRE, SOLICITOR
MS. KAY GARVEY, CITY CLERK
14 MR. NEIL COOLICAN, ASSISTANT CITY CLERK
1 MS. GATELLI: I'd like to call the
2 public hearing to order. Roll call.
3 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Evans.
4 MS. EVANS: Here.
5 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Fanucci.
6 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Here.
7 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. McTiernan.
8 Mr. Courtright.
9 MR. COURTRIGHT: Here.
10 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Gatelli.
11 MS. GATELLI: Here. The purpose of the
12 public hearing is to hear testimony and discuss the
14 FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 36, 2006 - AN
15 ORDINANCE - APPROVING THE TRANSFER OF A RESTAURANT
16 LIQUOR LICENSE IN THE NAME OF LITTLE DICK'S, INC. T/A
17 7TH AVE. WEST, CITY OF CARBONDALE, LICENSE NO.
18 R-17472 PRESENTLY HELD IN SAFE KEEPING BY THE PLCB TO
19 G-FORCE ENTERPRISES, INC. T/A BLUES STREET FOR USE AT
20 222 WYOMING AVENUE, THE RITZ BUILDING, SCRANTON,
21 PENNSYLVANIA, 18503 AS REQUIRED BY THE PENNSYLVANIA
22 LIQUOR CONTROL BOARD.
23 I have no one on the speakers list. Is
24 there anyone present that would like to give testimony
25 regarding this public hearing? If not, I now declare
1 this public hearing closed.
3 (HEARING WAS CONCLUDED.)
1 C E R T I F I C A T E
3 I hereby certify that the proceedings and
4 evidence are contained fully and accurately in the
5 notes taken by me on the hearing of the above cause and
6 that this copy is a correct transcript of the same
7 to the best of my ability.
LISA M. GRAFF, RMR
11 Official Court Reporter
1 SCRANTON CITY COUNCIL MEETING
6 Thursday, May 25, 2006
10 6:30 p.m.
14 Council Chambers
15 Scranton City Hall
16 340 North Washington Avenue
17 Scranton, Pennsylvania
23 Lisa M. Graff, RMR
24 Court Reporter
1 CITY OF SCRANTON COUNCIL:
3 MS. JUDY GATELLI, COUNCIL PRESIDENT
5 MR. WILLIAM COURTRIGHT, VICE-PRESIDENT
7 MS. JANET EVANS
9 MS. SHERRY NEALON FANUCCI
11 MR. JOHN MINORA, ESQUIRE, SOLICITOR
13 MS. KAY GARVEY, CITY CLERK
15 MR. NEIL COOLICAN, ASSISTANT CITY CLERK
1 MS. GATELLI: Okay. Please stand for
2 the Pledge Of Allegiance. Please remain standing for a
3 moment of reflection. Roll call, Neil.
4 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Evans.
5 MS. EVANS: Here.
6 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Fanucci.
7 MS. FANUCCI: Here.
8 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. McTiernan.
9 Mr. Courtright.
10 MR. COURTRIGHT: Here.
11 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Gatelli.
12 MS. GATELLI: Here. Mr. McTiernan
13 won't be here this evening. He sent a letter. He has
14 a conference that he had to attend for Scranton High
15 School. Council, would you like to come down while we
16 present a proclamation?
17 Whereas, the Council of the City of
18 Scranton is desirous of honoring the Scranton Lady
19 Knights Basketball Team for winning the PIAA District 2
20 Quad Championship.
21 The Scranton Lady Knights Basketball
22 Team finished with an impressive season record of 22
23 wins and six losses.
24 The Scranton Lady Knights beat
25 Wallenpaupack, Williamsport and Abington Heights to
1 secure the championship title.
2 In the state playoffs, the Scranton
3 Lady Knights upset Central Bucks East before losing to
4 final four and Philadelphia powerhouse Cheltingham High
6 The Scranton Lady Knights consist of
7 Emily Fisch, Molly McDonough, Molly Coleman, Krista
8 Summers, Ellen Fallon, Algera Flores, Elizabeth
9 McGrath, Liz Borjia, Malika Miller, Tarika Miller,
10 Nashira Turner, Mary Sheerin and Elizabeth Chase.
11 Sophomore Nashira Turner and Senior
12 Malika Miller have been named to the first second team
13 all league, while Ellen Fallon was named to the second
14 team all league.
15 The Scranton Lady Knights have the
16 distinct honor of being coached by Mr. Pat Ferguson,
17 who was named as The Scranton Times Girls Coach of the
18 Year and assistant coach Bill Crane.
19 Now, therefore, be it resolved that on
20 Thursday, May 25, 2006, Scranton City Council wishes to
21 congratulate the Scranton Lady Knights basketball team,
22 their coaches, teachers, parents, for their outstanding
24 Be it further resolved that this
25 proclamation be made a permanent part of the minutes of
1 this Council as lasting tribute to the Scranton Lady
2 Knights basketball team.
3 MR. FERGUSON: On behalf of all the
4 coaches and the girls at Scranton High School, we would
5 like to thank City Council for honoring and giving us
6 this privilege of being here tonight.
7 This group of young ladies worked very,
8 very hard this year, extremely hard. It's probably --
9 I've been doing this almost 30 years, Mr. Crane has
10 been doing this for almost 30 years, and this probably
11 is the nicest group of girls.
12 It's not the most talented. We've had
13 more talented girls than this group, and that's being
14 honest, but they are the nicest group of girls, they
15 are the hardest working group of girls.
16 And I've said this from the beginning,
17 the number one reason we're here is because they get
18 along. They love each other, and that's being a family
19 and a team. And, girls, I want to thank you again.
20 Thank you very much.
21 MS. GATELLI: Mrs. Garvey.
22 MS. GARVEY: Third order. 3-A,
23 CONTROLLER'S REPORT FOR THE MONTH ENDING APRIL 30,
25 MS. GATELLI: Are there any comments?
1 If not, received and filed.
2 MS. GARVEY: 3-B, MINUTES OF THE
3 SCRANTON-LACKAWANNA HEALTH & WELFARE AUTHORITY MEETING
4 HELD ON APRIL 20, 2006.
5 MS. GATELLI: Are there any comments?
6 If not, received and filed.
7 MS. GARVEY: 3-C, MINUTES OF THE VACANT
8 PROPERTY REVIEW COMMIT EE MEETING HELD ON MARCH 21,
10 MS. GATELLI: Are there any comments?
11 If not, received and filed.
12 MS. GARVEY: 3-D, AGENDA FOR THE VACANT
13 PROPERTY REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING HELD ON MAY 23, 2006.
14 MS. GATELLI: Are there any comments?
15 If not, received and filed.
16 MS. GARVEY: 3-E, MINUTES OF THE
17 MUNICIPAL PENSION FUND MEETING HELD ON APRIL 26, 2006.
18 MS. GATELLI: Are there any comments?
19 If not, received and filed.
20 MS. GARVEY: 3-F, AGENDA FOR THE
21 MUNICIPAL PENSION FUND MEETING HELD ON MAY 24, 2006.
22 MS. GATELLI: Are there any comments?
23 If not, received and filed.
24 MS. GARVEY: 3-G, APPLICATIONS AND
25 DECISIONS RENDERED BY THE ZONING HEARING BOARD HELD ON
1 MAY 22, 2006.
2 MS. GATELLI: Are there any comments?
3 If not, received and filed.
4 MS. GARVEY: 3-H, MINUTES FROM THE
5 FIREMEN'S PENSION COMMISSION MEETING HELD ON APRIL 26,
7 MS. GATELLI: Are there any comments?
8 If not, received and filed.
9 MS. GARVEY: 3-I, MEETING OF THE
10 SCRANTON POLICE PENSION COMMISSION TO BE HELD ON APRIL
11 26, 2006 WAS CANCELLED DUE TO LACK OF QUORUM.
12 MS. GATELLI: Are there any comments?
13 If not, received and filed.
14 MS. GARVEY: The only thing I have in
15 Clerk's Notes tonight was actually for Mr. McTiernan's
16 request of last week wondering about what was happening
17 with the permit parking for the 2100 and 2200 block of
18 North Washington Avenue that Council asked to be sent
19 back for another decision.
20 And that was approved by the police
21 department, and now it is in the law department waiting
22 for legislation to be prepared. And that's all I have.
23 MS. GATELLI: Okay. Thank you. I just
24 have a few things tonight. I spoke to the mayor today,
25 and the arbitration meeting will be next week. We're
1 going to meet both on the fire and the police
3 I also have a meeting scheduled with
4 Mr. Parker next week regarding Hollow Avenue. I don't
5 have a time or a date yet, but it will be some time
6 this week, and I will let Council members know.
7 There is a list that we received from
8 Mr. Fiorini of the parking lots that have paid their
9 fee for 2006. The following facilities have not paid
10 their fees for 2006: The Forum Parking Garage on
11 Franklin Avenue, Geneva House, Glazer's Parking Lot,
12 the Oppenheim Building, Scranton Mall Partners, and
13 Moses Taylor Hospital. To date, those facilities have
14 not paid their parking permit.
15 Monday, Memorial Day, there will be
16 services at noon at Nay Aug Park. Everyone is invited.
17 And there are also going to be services at eleven at
18 the Keyser Valley Community Center.
19 There is a list of potholes. I will
20 not read them all. But if anyone cares to look at
21 them, they will be up here.
22 CommD police officers for Tripps Park,
23 I have been investigating that with OECD. There are
24 parts of Tripps Park that are eligible for a beat
25 officer, however, it doesn't quite make it to the
1 playground, but there may be ways to find that
2 acceptable, because it's only a block out of the way.
3 So, I'm going to be talking to Chief
4 Elliot this week, and I will keep you posted on that.
5 And that's all I have. Anyone else from Council?
6 MS. EVANS: Yes. First, I ask for your
7 prayers for a full and speedy recovery for a dear
8 friend, Ralph Taylor, who remains hospitalized
9 following surgery.
10 And I, too, wish to extend my prayers
11 and sympathy to the family of Jerry Langan, who
12 recently passed away.
13 He was, as Mrs. Gatelli indicated, a
14 retired firefighter who served his city proudly. And
15 those who knew him well also recognize and admire his
16 dedication and devotion to Make a Wish Foundation by
17 conducting an annual summer outing at Petersburg
18 Corners to help out one or two children from Lackawanna
19 County each year.
20 Finally, Lackawanna County SADD Task
21 Force presents the Battle of the Bands from three to
22 9 p.m. at the Playing Field Sports Dome in Jessup. And
23 we encourage all young people to come and enjoy a drug
24 and alcohol free day.
25 And finally, since we are fast
1 approaching the month of June, I would like to make a
2 motion tonight regarding City Council meetings. I move
3 to alter the regular schedule of Council meetings from
4 6:30 p.m. to twelve noon beginning June 15 and
5 continuing through the final July 2006 meeting.
6 MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.
7 MS. GATELLI: On the question?
8 All in favor.
9 MS. EVANS: Aye.
10 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Aye.
11 MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.
12 MS. GATELLI: Aye. Opposed? The ayes
13 have it and so moved.
14 MS. EVANS: And so, as I said,
15 beginning June 15 and every Thursday thereafter,
16 Council will meet here in our chambers at twelve noon
17 each Thursday.
18 MS. GATELLI: And just one quick follow
19 up on that, we will recess for the month of August as
20 per the Home Rule Charter. Anyone else on Council care
21 to speak? Junior Council?
22 MR. MILLER: Good evening, Council.
23 Doug Miller. I would like to take this time also to
24 congratulate the Scranton High Girls Basketball Team
25 for a great season.
1 I'd also like to commend all of those
2 who made the Red Cross Blood Drive at West Scranton
3 High School on Tuesday a huge success. There was many
4 volunteers and people who participated, and I thank all
5 of them. It went very well over there.
6 On Tuesday there was a rededication
7 ceremony at Fellows Park. There were students from
8 Willard Elementary and West Scranton High School, along
9 with teachers and members of the Fellows family.
10 Recently these two schools adopted the
11 park, and now every year they go down and plant flowers
12 and clean up the area.
13 The Junior City Council recently
14 donated a new flag and a picnic table for the park. I
15 was honored to represent the City Council as chairman
16 of the Junior City Council at this ceremony, since
17 there was no other city official in attendance. Thank
19 And if there are any other members that
20 would like to address Council, please do so at this
21 time. Thank you very much.
22 MR. PIAZZA: Good evening, Council.
23 James Piazza, Scranton High School. The May 6 Planting
24 event was one of many future event that will make
25 Scranton a better city than it was before.
1 We will go to each section of the city
2 to make Scranton look better all around. We should
3 make the city appealing to everyone that comes to
4 visit. This will make people want to come back to the
5 city. If all of us work together, we can put Scranton
6 on the map.
7 It is a difficult job to fix all the
8 problems in the city, but every problem that is fixed
9 improves the quality of the city.
10 The City of Scranton is in the right
11 direction in moving the city into the future by all of
12 us working together.
13 Another way that people will come to
14 the city is by the attraction of different businesses.
15 Businesses coming into the city will help the citizens
16 of the city, too. This factor is what will make a city
17 successful and well know.
18 I am proud to live in the City of
19 Scranton and thankful for the opportunity to be on the
20 Junior City Council. The reason is that I received the
21 best education around and got to learn about the
22 history of the city.
23 By buildings going up in the city, it
24 shows that the City of Scranton is moving into the
25 future of where it should be. Thank you.
1 MS. GATELLI: Thank you. Anyone else?
2 The first speaker is Douglas Walsh.
3 MR. WALSH: Good evening. Prior to the
4 election I made a generous offer to settle my problem.
5 You guys voted on it. It's been approved. How long do
6 I have to wait to get it done? I've waited six years.
7 How long is my wait going to be? Can you guys answer
8 me that?
9 MS. GATELLI: What was your concern?
10 MR. WALSH: The hole in my backyard. I
11 made a generous offer to settle it with you people, and
12 verbally we committed before the election, as I knew it
13 was going to be a -- put by the wayside after.
14 But since then you voted on it for this
15 year's budget. It's been passed. It's been approved.
16 I'm still in limbo here. What's up? Can somebody help
17 me on this?
18 MS. EVANS: I think we need to get an
19 opinion from the legal department or an update at least
20 on this situation or maybe you can update us.
21 MR. WALSH: The update is I've left 20
22 messages for Solicitor Hickey, Butler, everybody else.
23 MS. EVANS: And no one's responded?
24 MR. WALSH: No response, yeah.
25 MS. EVANS: Okay. We'll take it from
2 MR. WALSH: Thanks.
3 MS. GATELLI: The next speaker is Terry
5 MR. OSBORNE: Good evening, Council.
6 My name is Terry Osborne. I come again tonight as a
7 fire department representative to the composite pension
8 board, and I'm here tonight to thank the Council
9 members and also to thank the mayor.
10 5-C is the resolution sending down the
11 contract for Mellon Bank to serve as trustee for the
12 city pension funds. That was what our board voted on
13 back in the fall.
14 We were hoping that that was what would
15 take place, and we're glad that it finally did. And I
16 just want to take a minute, if I could, first and
17 foremost, Judy, I want to thank you.
18 People don't recognize the work that
19 goes on behind the scenes. You served as, I guess, the
20 facilitator, for lack of a better word. I think we had
21 some good meetings. We met with the mayor, we met with
22 Gene Hickey, we met with Carl Greco and others to
23 discuss all the concerns on the pension board, and, you
24 know, while some things we agreed on at that time, some
25 things we didn't. Discussions continued, and, again,
1 this resolution brings that all to fruition.
2 Janet and I have had some great
3 conversations, and I, you know, kind of thought we had
4 her on board from the very beginning after we answered
5 her questions.
6 Also, Sherry, you and I, as we know,
7 have met, and even as late as Tuesday had some
9 Our pension board members stand ready
10 to answer any other questions that you guys may have.
11 Again, we're hoping that this is going to pass.
12 And, again, I knew Mr. McTiernan would
13 not be here tonight, but we're hoping the final vote
14 will pass 5-0. And you guys should have received a
15 copy, and I hope you did, we sent a letter to the mayor
16 once we had gotten word from Kay that this resolution
17 was, in fact, coming down, and I'd like to read for the
18 record here tonight exactly what we said to the mayor.
19 I'll just read a portion of it. On
20 behalf of myself and the employees on the composite
21 pension board, I want to thank you for having this
22 contract sent to Council. It is our hope that we can
23 move this process along as quickly as possible.
24 Further, I pledge that we will continue
25 to work cooperatively with you for the betterment of
1 our pension fund.
2 Jointly I hope we can have the fund
3 receive the very best returns which is to the benefit
4 of both the employees and the taxpayers.
5 As we all know, the better our fund
6 does, the lower that MMO is in future years, which is
7 really to the advantage of the taxpayers.
8 And just finally, I haven't been here
9 in a couple weeks, both Janet and Bill, I want to
10 congratulate you guys on your recent election.
11 I know from my run on the Home Rule
12 Charter, participation in the democratic process is not
13 always easy. Both of you made a great run, and I want
14 to congratulate you. Thank you.
15 MS. GATELLI: Thank you. Ray Lyman.
16 MR. LYMAN: Raymond Lyman. My name is
17 Raymond Lyman, and I am the President of the new Phelps
18 Street Neighborhood Association.
19 I need the Council's help in getting,
20 you know, help with starting this -- our group. We
21 have five members in it. And like you said before,
22 Mrs. Gatelli, I don't need the paperwork, like you
23 said. I thought we needed it. That's what somebody
24 told me.
25 And I want to work with other
1 neighborhood associations, like South Side, you know,
2 all the other groups. I want to be friends with all of
3 them, maybe invite them to the meetings.
4 I want to ask John Adams School if we
5 could have the meetings up there, like the old Pine
6 Brook Association had. I mean, the last meeting they
7 had Monday, they only had two people that went to their
9 And I know for a fact that people would
10 come to my meeting. And I'll even work with the old --
11 I mean the Pine Brook Association. I mean, we don't
12 want no fights with them. We just want to work
13 together, you know, for a better City of Scranton and
14 for a better place to live, and maybe even ask for
15 block grants to fix sidewalks, and maybe even fix the
16 allies and the roads in the area.
17 I don't know how to get the paperwork
18 for that. Maybe you guys can help me on that for the
19 neighborhood. I even have some ideas. Maybe with the
20 crime problems, maybe the neighborhood associations can
21 come together for a meeting, and instead of one
22 association working by itself fighting crime, maybe we
23 can all work together and fight the crime together as a
24 united front.
25 Because I saw it on that A & E.
1 They're doing it and in California. I said, If they
2 can do it out there, why can't we do it here? I mean,
3 it can work there.
4 Now, I have a question. Like, I took a
5 friend to pay Adelphia, you know, the cable down the
6 mall, and they told me that if -- this guy was
7 disabled, and he's on Social Security.
8 And they said for a senior citizen
9 discount, you have to go to City Council, and to get a
10 senior citizen discount, you have to ask City Council
11 to vote on a letter or some kind of a legislation to
12 send to Adelphia, and then they will give a senior
13 citizen discount to people who are on disability, on
14 SSI and Social Security. That's what they told me to
15 tell Mr. Johnson.
16 MS. GATELLI: We can certainly
17 investigate that.
18 MR. LYMAN: Yeah, can you do that?
19 MS. GATELLI: Yes.
20 MR. LYMAN: And then I heard from, I
21 don't want to mention the person, but he works up --
22 your business administrator, about the -- that the city
23 wants to take money -- borrow money from the cable
24 company to pay off that $6.5 million from the water
25 deal, if I'm correct. That's what I heard, that we
1 owe, what is it, $6 million?
2 MS. EVANS: We owe $5.5 million
4 MR. LYMAN: $5.5 million.
5 MS. EVANS: Plus interest, plus an
6 additional $200,000 in interest.
7 MS. LYMAN: Yeah, Ms. Evans. And they
8 want to borrow money from the cable to pay for that.
9 MS. GATELLI: I don't think that's
11 MS. EVANS: I haven't heard that. I
12 don't know.
13 MS. LYMAN: Well, you better look into
14 that, Ms. Evans. If they do that, and then the cable
15 raises up the rates again from that, and Adelphia is
16 selling to ComCast. You know, ComCast is going to
17 raise the rates.
18 MS. GATELLI: We have a contract with
19 Adelphia, and they cannot raise the rates beyond a
20 certain amount within the length of the contract.
21 MR. LYMAN: Because they charge a month
23 MS. GATELLI: They are certainly not
24 going to pay American Water, so don't worry about that.
25 That's not true.
1 MR. LYMAN: Well, look into that, Judy.
2 MS. GATELLI: That's not true, what you
4 MR. LYMAN: Well, at least try to get a
5 senior citizen discount.
6 MS. GATELLI: We will. We'll
8 MR. LYMAN: And then I'm looking into,
9 like, that children at play signs, like you said. Can
10 you get that done for us on Phelps Street?
11 MS. GATELLI: Sure.
12 MR. LYMAN: And then by John Adams, you
13 know those -- I asked the school board. You know those
14 lights where it says 15 miles, where those blinkers?
15 They told me you have to go to City Council and ask
16 them about it. That's what Mr. Lesh said.
17 MR. COURTRIGHT: We have been through
18 that before, Ray. They wanted to put one in front of
19 West Scranton High School. I thought it was a money
20 problem. It is relatively expensive.
21 MR. LYMAN: Because when you go down
22 Capouse Avenue, those cars go, pardon my words,
23 Mr. Courtright, they go down there like a bat out of
24 Haitis. And two children got hit by a car.
25 If this one guy didn't chase after them
1 and stop that car, that guy would have gotten away with
3 MS. GATELLI: Okay. Thank you, Ray.
4 MR. LYMAN: Okay. Thank you,
5 Mrs. Gatelli.
6 MS. GATELLI: Andy Sbaraglia.
7 MR. SBARAGLIA: Andy Sbaraglia, citizen
8 of Scranton. Fellow Scrantonians, well, swim season is
9 about to come into view again.
10 What's the chance of getting free
11 swimming for the kids, at least at the pools we
12 control, instead of at a dollar fee?
13 Every year I come before you and ask
14 you this. Every year it falls on deaf ears. But as
15 far as the kids are concerned, I've got to ask.
16 I can see no reason, no advantage that
17 we're charging this dollar fee. It probably costs just
18 as much to collect it as it would if it was gone. And
19 the only advantage it has is to keeping some poor kid
20 that can't afford to come up with a dollar every day to
21 swim in our pools, which I find appalling, and you
22 should, too.
23 Now, let's get to the water company
24 again. The Sewer Authority is owned by the citizens of
25 Scranton. There's no question about that.
1 Everything they borrow, we got to pay
2 for. Now, the mayor in his wisdom wants to take our
3 storm water and sell it to us again. I guess he
4 figures this is the way to go.
5 Why should we in turn pay for something
6 we already own? Plus, the fact is the water that's
7 fallen from the sky is God given rain, and it actually
8 flows into the sewer system today as it did ten years
9 ago or 15 years ago.
10 So, there's no advantage of us paying
11 for something we already own, none at all. But this
12 was politically done.
13 As you know, the water company had a
14 contract for, I think, 20 years, and they had a renewal
15 clause in it every five. And this mayor decided not to
16 renew the contract.
17 And when he did that, he took control
18 of actually almost everything to do with the Sewer
19 Authority. He already appointed all the members. So,
20 now he has control for patronage, plus contracts.
21 And this is not exactly what the Sewer
22 Authority is for. It's not a personal bank, but this
23 mayor is making it a personal bank.
24 As you know, he already sold our DPW
25 site to the Sewer Authority three times, plus the fact
1 is we haven't paid for that sewer -- that DPW site. We
2 still owe on that. We're paying on that every year.
3 So, hence, we're selling things we don't even own that
4 we're still paying on.
5 I don't know how it's going to affect
6 the rate, but I say to anyone, it's crazy for us to
7 spend money for something we already own. It's
8 ridiculous to do things like that.
9 Now, true, he has to come up with the
10 money, there's no question about that. And he's going
11 to borrow -- the Sewer Authority apparently is going to
12 borrow this $5.5 million and give it to the mayor and
13 we're going to have to pay it in the rate hike.
14 But since this was a city done deal, I
15 believe the city should borrow the money and take it
16 away -- that burden away from the Sewer Authority.
17 Because, as you know, the Sewer Authority is
18 undermanned to take the storm water system and separate
19 it from the sanitary system.
20 And the figures I've seen were anywhere
21 from $50 million to $100 million. And, man, that's
22 lucrative contracts. Somebody's going to make a bundle
23 on this deal. Maybe that's why the mayor wanted
24 control. I don't know.
25 But he didn't have to take control.
1 This was a personal thing he wanted to do. There was a
2 lot of rumors going around at that time that they
3 weren't taking care of this, they weren't taking care
4 of that. They wanted to raise the rates, I think,
5 22 percent, but nobody ever come up with figures. All
6 we got was rumors.
7 So, this deal went through. And it
8 went through, and now we're stuck with it. Now we're
9 paying for it. And the worst part of this deal, he
10 went up and said he was standing on solid ground, that
11 we wouldn't have to pay this fee.
12 But anybody that looked at that
13 contract, even a first year law student would realize
14 that we're obligated, and, hence, we have to pay. But
15 to appeal a decision and add more costs onto it only
16 made the lawyers rich and the company got added
17 interest put onto this deal, I think $200,000.
18 So, hence, you had added lawyers costs,
19 plus interest rates tacked onto a deal that wasn't too
20 great to begin with. Thank you.
21 MS. GATELLI: Thank you.
22 MS. EVANS: Mr. Sbaraglia, maybe I can
23 just give you a bit of background information with
24 regard to that transfer over to the Sewer Authority.
25 At the time the decision not to renew
1 the contract with American Water Services required only
2 two votes, that being two of the three entities
3 involved in that contract.
4 And it was made very clear to City
5 Council that Dunmore and the Scranton Sewer Authority
6 would not renew their contract; hence, City Council was
7 rendered irrelevant in the situation.
8 Whether we agreed, whether we
9 disagreed, our vote really would not have counted;
10 hence, there was never even a vote taken by City
11 Council on that matter. Because as I've said, Dunmore
12 and the Sewer Authority made that decision together.
13 At the time my concern was that
14 negotiations would have occurred with American Water
15 Services and also a privatization bid would have been
16 advertised throughout the country or even, you know,
17 outside the country internationally, because AWS, after
18 all, is a multi-billion-dollar international
20 And I knew that there were many other
21 companies worldwide who provide similar operations, and
22 I attempted to pursue that with the Scranton Sewer
23 Authority, had they taken those steps before they made
24 any decision to take back the operations and management
25 of the Sewer Authority plant.
1 Well, to my knowledge, that never
2 occurred. So, as I said, the decision was made by
3 those outside of Scranton. I do believe at the time we
4 asked the mayor for his recommendation in the
5 situation, and none was provided.
6 But I think the grave or grievous error
7 that was made at the time was that no bid was put out,
8 no other company was sought or interviewed to manage
9 that facility.
10 A company who might have come in
11 provided a cost effective management system, and
12 perhaps even an arrangement whereby they would be able
13 to help the city and hope the Borough of Dunmore repay
14 what was owed to American Water Services.
15 But as I said, that didn't occur. I
16 don't know why that didn't occur, and frankly, right
17 now I don't know why that still can't occur.
18 Because I agree with you, the citizens
19 already own the storm water system, and to sell or to
20 lease to the Sewer Authority at this point guarantees a
21 rate hike to everyone, not only in Scranton, but in
22 Dunmore, as well. And, of course, you know Dunmore is
23 also on the hook in this arbitration award.
24 But we will be looking at significant
25 rate increases. And the only possibility that I can
1 see, because as you said, it's the same group of
2 people. We're all in the same pot. You're either
3 going to get hit with a tax increase for it by
4 borrowing the money or you're going to get hit with a
5 rate increase.
6 The only possible out I can see is to
7 try to look for another company who may come in and
8 provide services such as I described. But, again, I
9 don't know now that the Sewer Authority would even
10 entertain such a notion.
11 MR. COURTRIGHT: Mrs. Gatelli, I agree
12 with what Mrs. Evans says. Whether it's a rate
13 increase or a tax increase, it's the same thing. A
14 rate increase is a tax increase, in my eyes.
15 But if, in fact, this deal goes through
16 and they borrow the $5 million plus, is the rate
17 increase going to be just until we pay the $5 million
18 plus back, and then our rates will be reduced, or are
19 they going to continue that rate increase for ever and
21 MS. EVANS: Well, actually what
22 Mr. Sbaraglia noted earlier is most accurate.
23 According to EPA regulations, the alterations that they
24 have to make to the system are calculated at somewhere
25 between, what was it, Mr. Sbaraglia $50 and $100
1 million, and that will take a period of ten years, I
2 believe, to fully institute.
3 So, that rate increase is coming,
4 regardless of what occurs with this. So, what I'm
5 saying is the type of rate increase you're very
6 realistically looking at here when combining those two
7 entities is going to be monolithic.
8 MR. SBARAGLIA: Thank you.
9 MS. GATELLI: Mr. Narsavage.
10 MR. NARSAVAGE: Stan Narsavage,
11 Scranton resident. Last week I asked for some
12 information from Mrs. Fanucci. Were you able to get
13 the copies that I needed?
14 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: No, I was not.
15 MR. NARSAVAGE: Do you know when you
16 will have them?
17 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: I'm hoping in the
18 next few weeks, but they keep telling me that the only
19 part that it is in is exactly our budget, that there is
20 not any specific HUD audit.
21 MR. NARSAVAGE: For June 2005, there's
22 not a HUD?
23 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: No.
24 MR. NARSAVAGE: I hope this isn't going
25 to take a subpoena to get.
1 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: I hope not.
2 MR. NARSAVAGE: Mr. Courtright, thanks
3 for the information you got for me, and also the help
4 with the -- you mentioned an E-mail about the patrol
5 cars, the police cars.
6 MR. COURTRIGHT: Yeah, what they've
7 done, I spoke to several different officers, any time
8 they're not tied up on calls, they've been back there.
9 They acknowledged the problem. They think it's as
10 severe as what you're saying, and they're doing the
11 best they could with what they have.
12 Maybe Ms. Gatelli will be lucky and
13 maybe you'll get a beat person back there.
14 MR. NARSAVAGE: I hope so.
15 MR. COURTRIGHT: I hope so. I think
16 that will alleviate the problem.
17 MR. NARSAVAGE: You mentioned within a
18 block of the playground, that would even help. As long
19 as they know someone's in the area and that's
21 I just want to make one comment about
22 the article that was in the paper. The paper quoted
23 you as saying you're not going to revisit the pool
24 prices for swimming.
25 MS. GATELLI: I'm not going to bring it
1 up. I don't know if anyone else is.
2 MR. NARSAVAGE: Well, I was wondering
3 if you were speaking for the administration or is that
5 MS. GATELLI: No, that was my quote.
6 MR. NARSAVAGE: Well, by Scranton
7 School District's own report, 52 percent of the
8 children in the Scranton School District come from low
9 income families. And a dollar is a lot of money to
10 those people.
11 MS. GATELLI: Well, when I first came
12 here and people were already talking about the pool
13 fees, I called the social service agencies and asked if
14 they had a problem with children being able to pay to
15 swim, and they assured me that no one was being denied
17 MR. NARSAVAGE: They have to apply for
18 a pass or something of some sort?
19 MS. GATELLI: Yeah, some of them do.
20 MR. NARSAVAGE: Do the children apply
21 or do the parents of the children apply for them?
22 MS. EVANS: The parents.
23 MR. NARSAVAGE: Are they ridiculed when
24 they go to the --
25 MS. GATELLI: I don't know. I don't
1 know if the neighborhood centers would ridicule them.
2 MS. EVANS: I don't know that they're
3 ridiculed, but I do believe that it has to be at best a
4 humiliating experience to have to bear your sole
5 financially in order to receive assistance for your
7 MR. NARSAVAGE: That's exactly what I'm
8 referring to. It was the same thing with the school
9 lunches a few years ago in schools.
10 Okay. I was at the playground on
11 Tuesday. I think I reported that to you, Mrs. Gatelli.
12 The graffiti was not cleaned up. There were about 30
13 or 40 children there from the Sumner School having a
14 nice time riding the slides and the swings, and also
15 reading the graffiti that's around there.
16 Now, there was a fellow that was
17 sitting there -- a school bus driver for the school
18 district. He gave me his name and he asked me to state
19 his name here, but I'm not going to do that, but he
20 just wanted me to know that he thinks that playground
21 is also a disgrace, discouraging.
22 Kids, you know, back there having a
23 good time with a box lunch and a soda and being subject
24 to that filth that's there. I hope we get some results
1 MS. GATELLI: I have your fliers,
2 Mr. Narsavage.
3 MR. NARSAVAGE: I'll pick those up.
4 I'll deliver them personally. On Tuesday evening I
5 received a phone call from Mr. Ted Foley. We discussed
6 the problems at -- their concerned with what allegedly
7 took place on private property on Hollow Avenue.
8 I met with four or five of these people
9 during the week, and they supplied me with some
10 pictures that I'm sure everybody has seen. There's a
11 lot more than these six that I have, but Bill Moran
12 promised me he'll give me a whole set of the pictures.
13 It shows city equipment on private
14 property. It's as plain as the nose on your face. You
15 can read Restoring the Pride on the side of the trucks.
16 Wood choppers, and an indication that 600 foot of
17 sewage was put in place at this house.
18 I'm wondering if just listening to all
19 the problems that you have getting Mr. Parker to come
20 here and meet with these people, I wonder if it's
21 possible to consider Section 312, investigations city
22 charter, and serve this man with a subpoena to come
24 MR. COURTRIGHT: Mr. Narsavage, if I
25 can interrupt you for one second, please.
1 MR. NARSAVAGE: Sure.
2 MR. COURTRIGHT: We talked about it at
3 caucus, I believe it was last week, when people came in
4 from Hollow Avenue, and it's been going on for a long
5 time. And I think what we're going to try to do, and
6 Mrs. Gatelli can correct me if I'm wrong, is us,
7 meaning Council, sit down with Mr. Parker and just be
8 straight forward and say, Look it. Here's the picture.
9 Here's these people's evidence. Did they or did they
10 not cut these trees down on private property?
11 If they did, then whoever gave the
12 order, not the worker, because the workers only do what
13 they're told, has to, you know, own up to what they did
14 and has to be punished for it.
15 And if he can prove that they didn't,
16 then he needs to prove that they didn't, because I
17 think this has to come to a head. It's going on for,
18 what, almost two years or over a year?
19 MS. EVANS: Well, they were here in the
20 fall of 2005.
21 MR. COURTRIGHT: So, I think he's going
22 to come in, and I think he's going to speak with us and
23 we're going to get this thing settled one way or the
25 MR. NARSAVAGE: Are you going to have
1 both parties there, the neighbors and Mr. Parker?
2 MR. COURTRIGHT: I don't think he'll
3 come in with us --
4 MS. EVANS: No, Council and Mr. Parker.
5 MR. COURTRIGHT: I don't think he'll
6 come in with the people.
7 MR. NARSAVAGE: Well, with all due
8 respect, I don't agree with that.
9 MS. EVANS: We know what you're saying,
10 and Mr. Courtright, I agree with. The assessment that
11 he's given you is very accurate.
12 Mr. Parker will not meet with the
13 neighbors. He has adamantly declined time after time
14 after time, and so we now have decided to, as a five
15 member body, speak with him privately about the
17 MR. NARSAVAGE: And how is that going
18 to work? If you don't have two parties facing one
19 another, it's going to be he said, he said, if you
20 don't do that.
21 MS. EVANS: I agree, but we met with
22 the neighbors last week. I've known the situation,
23 Mr. Courtright has been aware of the situation since
24 its inception.
25 We have the photographs as evidence.
1 We will speak to Mr. Parker. As Mr. Courtright said,
2 someone is inevitably responsible for the situation.
3 That must be determined, and then it has to be -- I
4 feel it is a punishable offense, it may perhaps even be
5 a legally punishable offense, and it has to be
6 rectified in toward prevent such occurrences in the
8 MR. NARSAVAGE: Well, where does an
9 appointee have the power to dictate to you people on
10 City Council? If he doesn't want to come before the
11 public, use 312 and subpoena him. Why can't we do
13 MS. GATELLI: Because our attorney said
14 last week, we can subpoena him, but we have no contempt
15 powers. So, if he doesn't come, we can't punish him in
16 any way. So, I think it's better if you're amicable
17 and you try to meet in a pleasant atmosphere and you
18 try to work things out.
19 You're not going to get anywhere, you
20 know, subpoena him, he doesn't come. We're just going
21 to be in the same situation.
22 MR. MINORA: Judy, additionally, you
23 know, it may involve a personnel matter.
24 MS. GATELLI: It is. It is a personnel
1 MR. MINORA: And as such -- but as
2 such, that would be exempt from the Sunshine Act and
3 open meetings rules. So, there are a lot of reasons to
4 handle it that way.
5 MR. COURTRIGHT: Mr. Narsavage, if I
6 could say this, we're going to take all the information
7 that the neighbors give us, we're going to present that
8 information to Mr. Parker and we're going to ask him
9 did or did they not cut it on private property.
10 If he says yes, then whoever gave the
11 order needs to be punished in whatever way, shape or
12 form they see necessary.
13 If he says no, then I believe, and
14 everybody correct me if I'm wrong, if he says, No.
15 We're going to say, Mr. Parker, prove to us that it was
16 not done on private property.
17 MS. EVANS: And meet with the
19 MR. COURTRIGHT: Right. And then we
20 will, you know, tell the neighbors. I don't think
21 anybody up here, Mrs. Evans and I have been going
22 through it a little bit longer than the other two here,
23 but I don't think anybody wants this to go on any
24 longer. I certainly don't.
25 MR. NARSAVAGE: Well, why is it going
1 on as long as it did then?
2 MR. COURTRIGHT: Because we couldn't
3 got any answers.
4 MR. NARSAVAGE: Right. A rule of thumb
5 is, if you want to know what somebody is going to do in
6 the future, just look to the past. And it's going to
7 be the same thing all over again.
8 If you don't want to use 312, then why
9 aren't we using 318 from the Administrative Code? The
10 man doesn't live in the city. He lives in Moscow.
11 MR. COURTRIGHT: Well --
12 MS. GATELLI: He has a waiver, and he's
13 allowed to have a waiver by the mayor, and I think
14 Council, the old Council, probably approved it.
15 MR. NARSAVAGE: This gentleman has a
16 lot of leeway in this city.
17 MS. EVANS: Well, I don't know if the
18 old Council approved that waiver, however, I think all
19 of us have to admit that Council does have the power to
20 hire or to fire. We hire and fire but two positions.
21 Those individuals are hand selected by the mayor and
22 can only be terminated by the mayor.
23 MR. NARSAVAGE: Understand. Is that a
24 public meeting or a private behind closed door meeting?
25 MS. GATELLI: It will be private
1 because it involves personnel.
2 MR. NARSAVAGE: Absolutely. And what
3 can be proven there, as far as the neighbors go?
4 MS. GATELLI: Well, we will report to
5 the neighbors afterward.
6 MR. NARSAVAGE: When is the meeting?
7 MS. GATELLI: Some day next week. I
8 haven't gotten a firm -- I haven't been able to touch
9 base with Parker.
10 MR. NARSAVAGE: Thank you very much.
11 MS. GATELLI: You're welcome.
12 Mr. Bolus.
13 MR. BOLUS: Good evening, Council.
14 Bob Bolus, Scranton. You know, I think we're going to
15 start off tonight with the issue or the article in
16 Parade Magazine that the best deal is in Scranton or
17 one of the best deals or best places to come.
18 Why would that be? It's cheap, it's
19 not expensive. Why is it cheap? We have a Sewer
20 Authority that's in debt four, five times over, and
21 it's trying to figure out another way to get more debt
22 to it and cover up the true debt of the city.
23 It's an area that gives parks away,
24 sells its golf courses, leases prime property for a
25 dollar a year, mortgages and triple mortgages all its
1 other properties.
2 It sits here and gives everything away.
3 It's KOZs, it's free. Why wouldn't you want to come to
4 Scranton? We're just coming into our own now that
5 everybody out in the outside world, it's like, I don't
6 know, like a lost valley, so to speak, that you would
7 see where it's a prehistoric time.
8 And that's where we are. People are
9 now finding that you can get a deal here, because we
10 don't know how to handle our assets, so everybody in
11 the surrounding states will come here and teach us how
12 to handle our assets by buying them for nothing. It's
13 one heck of a place to come.
14 Follow the leadership. Our
15 administrations put themselves out there. It's given
16 the city away. Now we're going to get nailed with
17 taxes. We can't come out of this debt. We have awards
18 because of arrogance and not caring about the people,
19 the true people of this valley or the senior citizens
20 who are now suffering, the young kids that want to stay
21 here, the families that want to build.
22 How are you going to build here? How
23 are you going to survive? You can't even get jobs
25 Now, we really turned around and we
1 started thinking, and why do they want to come here?
2 Well, it's the city that's broke. It's a business in
3 trouble. It's a distressed place. We can get a hell
4 of a deal here, because they don't know what to do, and
5 that's why they're coming here.
6 Parade found it, now everybody else
7 will find it. The best kept secret in the world. It's
8 easy to come here and get something for nothing,
9 because we have an administration and the politics in
10 this area that pay their lawyers exorbitant amount of
11 money when they don't have it.
12 So, we get on to the real basis issue.
13 What is a tax base? Apparently we don't know what it
14 is. Everybody else out there does, though.
15 A tax base is a structure that we build
16 on, that's our foundation. But we don't have a
17 foundation here. We have a giveaway. It's a raffle.
18 A dollar gets you $5,000 in this city, but the people
19 still have to pay. They have to struggle, they have to
20 get two jobs, they have to deal with a tax increase of
21 40-some percent from the county.
22 They make it hard. Everything is hard
23 on us. But those that are paying five times more
24 elsewhere find this is one heck of a place to come.
25 And what do we do with our assets? We
1 squandered them. We've given them to the University.
2 We've allowed KOZs to take a free ride, non-profits to
3 beat the heck out of the citizens.
4 And what do we do about it? Nothing.
5 We haven't addressed the tax base. And naturally if
6 you address a tax bass, you would address the tax rate.
7 The better the base, the lower the rate. It's simple.
8 It's not science, but in this town it is, and we're
9 going to get taught the science.
10 Look at all the properties being sold
11 in this city to out of towners right now. Just sit
12 back and go over and see what's going through the
13 recorder of deeds. How many are local people? Very,
14 very few, because it's a deal.
15 In order to do this, I've brought up
16 ideas here, and they've been ignored. Our fire
17 department's getting cut now. We're cutting expenses
18 in all the wrong places, because we're letting people
19 take a free ride.
20 We sold the golf course. We didn't
21 invest the money properly, where it was supposed to go.
22 We gave away the South Side Complex, and we're giving
23 away more and more every day.
24 True, the University brings jobs, but
25 look at the salaries they get and the benefits they get
1 and they don't even live in the city. And it's for
3 So, what do we need to do? I think we
4 should hold a public hearing and bring people in here
5 with ideas to educate the administration and, of
6 course, Council and ourselves to new ideas how to
7 increase the tax base and literally save our city from
8 the outsiders who know a deal, because we're too blind
9 with our administrative people to know that we have a
10 gold mine here and we're giving it away for pennies.
11 Thank you.
12 MS. GATELLI: Thank you. Mike Dudek.
13 MR. DUDEK: Mike Dudek, 608 Depot
14 Street, Scranton. Two or three weeks ago I came here
15 to point out a very dangerous situation at the
16 intersection of Nay Aug Avenue and Albright, where I
17 was able to take a blue garbage can and put it in half
18 way. Well, the only progress that's happened since
19 then is that the garbage can is now down to the level
20 of the street.
21 That hole is enormous, and somebody is
22 going to get killed in it if something isn't done to
23 fix it. I pointed out that you take the biggest piece
24 of fire apparatus this city has, if it comes down the
25 south end of Nay Aug Avenue and its right front tire
1 hits that hole, you're going to lose a fire truck.
2 It's that bad.
3 I'm not talking about a small pothole.
4 It might not even be a pothole. It could be a sinkhole
5 or it could be manhole cover that has just so totally
6 disappeared that all that was left was just --
7 MR. COURTRIGHT: Mike, we sent it down.
8 We didn't get a response yet. Over here, Mike.
9 MR. DUDEK: Oh, I'm sorry.
10 MR. COURTRIGHT: We sent it down. We
11 got no response yet, correct, Kay?
12 MS. GARVEY: Right.
13 MR. DUDEK: Okay.
14 MR. COURTRIGHT: We'll ask again.
15 MR. DUDEK: Okay. This past Sunday
16 morning Tom Greco, who's the owner of Martini's in
17 Wilkes-Barre was on WILK Radio as an invited guest to
18 talk about economic development in Northeastern
20 And the crux or the points that he made
21 centered around the Scranton Chamber of Commerce, The
22 Wilkes-Barre Chamber of Commerce and the Economic
23 Development Counsel of Northeastern Pennsylvania, all
24 of whom he has no use for.
25 The point that he made was that as an
1 expert in restaurant business, the Chamber of Commerce
2 can't seem to look beyond inviting chain restaurants in
3 with their minimum wages and their policies of trying
4 to be as expensive as they can, paying as little as
5 they can with the profits leaving the area. The
6 profits themselves are leaving the area while they're
7 driving the individual restaurants out of business.
8 And he pointed out that the crux of it
9 was this spiraling effect against local restaurant
10 owners. I think it might be a good idea for Council to
11 get a hold of Mr. Greco and have him come and talk to
12 Council at a caucus to show -- for him to show exactly
13 what he was talking about. I think it would be very
15 His name is Tom Greco. He was the
16 owner of Martini's. If you remember Martini's in
17 Wilkes-Barre, elegant, absolutely elegant. It put him
18 under. He couldn't make it.
19 And the third thing I'd like to point
20 out to you is that you might not know it, but if you
21 were just a reader of The Scranton Times, you would not
22 know that as I'm speaking to you today, The Scranton
23 Times is being sued and could face perhaps as much as
24 $40 million or more in losses because of what it did to
25 a businessman in Pittston. The businessman's name is
1 Tom Joseph.
2 Have any of you on Council read
3 anything in The Scranton Times about Tom Joseph and his
4 lawsuit against The Scranton Times?
5 Then may I please make a suggestion,
6 that you direct Kay Garvey to have a subscription
7 brought into the City Council to The Times Leader.
8 This has been page one and page three in The Times
9 Leader for the last week.
10 This man had four businesses that The
11 Times helped to put under. He is suing The Times.
12 Now, he could lose, because the case is still
14 But if he prevails, he will be able to
15 not only collect for the value of the businesses that
16 were lost, but there will be this little interesting
17 situation as to punishment.
18 And the fact that we can't read it in
19 our own Scranton Times just points out the total lack
20 of juris -- of journalistic responsibility.
21 The reporters in that newsroom have an
22 obligation to cover themselves. And if their own paper
23 is hanging out there and Judge Mark Chiverella has the
24 opportunity to nail this paper for what it's doing
25 wrong, that's who has the case, by the way, Judge Mark
1 Chiverella in Luzerne County Court.
2 It's a very interesting situation. The
3 reason why I know all about it is because five years
4 ago before he filed this suit, Mr. Joseph asked me for
5 an opinion on it.
6 And I gave him the opinion that based
7 on what was there, he had a very good chance to win it.
8 And he went outside the area to get a law firm to file
9 it. Thank you.
10 MS. GATELLI: Thank you. Jerry Brazil.
11 MR. BRAZIL: Good evening, Council. My
12 name is Jerry Brazil, I work for Mellon Financial
14 By way of background, I just want to
15 give you a little history of Mellon and our recent past
16 in working for the city.
17 We were very pleased to be -- to serve
18 as the trustee from 1992 through the year 2000. And,
19 you know, by all accounts the fund performed very well
20 during that period, both in terms of absolute returns
21 and many improvements that the fund enjoyed during that
22 period of time.
23 We worked with the COMPOSITE PENSION
24 BOARD, as well as with the consultant that the city had
25 used at that time and really introduced a lot of
1 changes to the portfolio in terms of broader
2 diversification to multiple asset classes and so forth.
3 So, the fund really had a nice run
4 there. We were proud to be part of it, frankly, and it
5 enjoyed good performance, as well as a real emphasis be
6 placed on serving the pensioners of all the various,
7 the police, the fire, the non-uniform. We developed a
8 very close relationship with them, as well.
9 Last fall we, again, responded to the
10 RFP, and we were very gratified to learn that the
11 composite pension board had selected us and recommended
12 us to the city to be, once again, selected as the
13 trustee, and we're very happy for that.
14 I was even more gratified this week to
15 learn that the legislation, if you will, had made the
16 agenda in the form of a resolution to consider, once
17 again, having Mellon Bank serve as trustee of the plan.
18 And I can tell you I'll keep my remarks
19 very brief, but Mellon Bank today is an organization
20 with 19,000-plus employees, a Fortune 100 company, and
21 we don't do traditional banking, as you would know it,
22 but we emphasize asset management, asset servicing and
23 serving plans like the City of Scranton, as well as
24 hundreds of plans throughout the country, many of them
25 Fortune 500 and Fortune 100 companies.
1 So, we can make no assurances regarding
2 future performance, and no one should. But I can
3 assure you that Mellon will bring all the best tools
4 available to us to work with the city, the various
5 composite -- the composite board, as well as the
6 subboards, to bring the best products and services that
7 we have available to help the plan prosper going
9 One of the areas that we've excelled
10 in, we have a special group that serves to find benefit
11 plans. And municipalities, as well as the corporate
12 sector today, are focused on liabilities, future
13 liabilities of the plan and what it means, not only to
14 the participants and retirees, but to the city and
15 shareholders in the corporate sense, but taxpayers in
16 the case of a municipality.
17 We've developed specific tools to take
18 the work that you're actuary has prepared and analyze
19 that for you and give you a line of sight into
20 projections of the liabilities, what it means to you
21 going forward, with the goal really being to be sure
22 that we have developed the proper asset allocations so
23 that the assets are properly deployed against the
24 liabilities of your plan to put you in the best
25 position to meet those liabilities.
1 So, you know, with that, I'll close by
2 saying we really appreciate the opportunity. We will
3 be very happy to work with you, and I would answer any
4 questions at any time regarding any aspect of the
5 proposal. Thank you for your time.
6 MR. COURTRIGHT: I have a question.
7 I'm glad you're here. I was going to ask Kay to see if
8 she could get in contact with you.
9 I looked through today through all the
10 proposals, and yours was the only proposal where I
11 didn't see a fee for a consulting monitor. Is there
12 going to be a consulting monitor or no?
13 MR. BRAZIL: There is no fee for
14 consulting monitor. All of the performance measurement
15 services are included in our base fee. So, we will
16 provide monitored performance of all the various
17 managers, performance of each asset class and report
18 that to the board like we did for the eight years that
19 we were here every month reporting versus a custom
20 benchmark that is developed specifically for your plan
21 so you have a fair comparison of how your plan is
22 performing versus the appropriate bench mark.
23 But there is no separate consulting
24 fee. The services of selecting managers and reporting
25 performance and coming to you with changes, as we did
1 during that period of time by adding, for example, we
2 added a mid-cap portfolio because there was none.
3 The portfolio was entirely concentrated
4 in large capped stocks back then. That has paid
5 dividends handsomely over the last few years,
6 particularly the years that we were there, because that
7 area had provided greater performance.
8 So, to answer your question, there are
9 no other fees. We've went through great pains to be --
10 to answer this RFP in the most comprehensive manner
12 We had attorneys review it to be sure
13 we met every facet of what the city wanted. And I have
14 intimate knowledge of that having served for that
15 eight-year period. I was here at every meeting during
16 that period of time.
17 So, the proposal was very detailed and
18 comprehensive. The fees are clear and succinct. There
19 are no hidden fees as they are presented in the
20 material. That is the fee. That's very fair.
21 MR. COURTRIGHT: So, it will never be
22 above 43 basis points?
23 MR. BRAZIL: No, sir.
24 MR. COURTRIGHT: Okay. All right.
25 That's all I have.
1 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: I have a question.
2 Back when you had the old contract, did you have a
3 manager then?
4 MR. BRAZIL: A manager or a consultant?
5 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Yeah. Was there
6 somebody -- a consultant manager.
7 MR. BRAZIL: Back then the board used
8 Merrill Lynch as a separate monitor to assist them with
9 some studies they did. They also would come in from
10 time to time and report on performance, usually on the
11 off month that we didn't. They would report on
12 performance just as a double check.
13 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: So, you're doing
14 all of it now, everything?
15 MR. BRAZIL: We did it all then. The
16 board's decision to hire Merrill Lynch was a separate
17 issue, separate contract. That was not through Mellon.
18 MR. COURTRIGHT: Are you going to be
19 using Merrill Lynch again?
20 MR. BRAZIL: No. As I said, we did not
21 use Merrill Lynch --
22 MR. COURTRIGHT: But the board would be
23 able to use Merrill Lynch?
24 MR. BRAZIL: Oh, sure. The board could
25 use Merrill Lynch or any consultant of their choice,
2 MR. COURTRIGHT: I figured that. Okay.
3 MR. BRAZIL: But you don't have to. I
4 mean, many of our plans have consultants, some don't,
5 but we can work with any consultant. We work with all
6 consultants across the country. Anything else?
7 MS. GATELLI: Thank you.
8 MR. BRAZIL: Thank you.
9 MS. GATELLI: Reverend Simmons.
10 MS. SIMMONS: Good evening, Council.
11 My name is Reverend Cathryn Simmons. I'm a Scranton
13 Psalm 127 tells much about the building
14 and guarding of the city. And I quote, Unless the Lord
15 builds the house, they labor in vain who build it.
16 Unless the Lord guards the city, the watchman stays
17 awake in vain.
18 I bring this statement to you tonight
19 because there has been some media attention on our fair
20 city this past week concerning crime and/or lack of it.
21 The first Monday in May I arose out of
22 a sick bed and went to a Lackawanna Prison board
23 meeting where it was stated that the inmate population
24 at 1371 North Washington Avenue was 912 inmates.
25 This did not include work release,
1 juvenile offenders, wearer of ankle bracelets,
2 probation and parole. Just inmates.
3 In a city this size, I state again, our
4 county prison is crowded. I didn't say overcrowded, I
5 said crowded.
6 The crimes they're inside for involve
7 drugs, domestic violence, theft, assaults, deadbeat
8 dads, arsons, pedophiles, internet pornography. And
9 people have the nerve to ask me are public safety
10 servants needed. Yes, they are.
11 And I come here tonight to tell you the
12 gang are here. I am on my way to a gang conference in
13 York, Pennsylvania June 8 through 11th.
14 Anyone involved in crime watch groups
15 here in the city and/or out at the prison knows the
16 seriousness of this situation, yet our police, our
17 firemen, our sherif deputies, our assistant D.A.s, our
18 correctional offices and our judges are made to look as
19 though they can be released at any time from their work
20 because Scranton will be as safe as it was in 1955.
21 Well, I am here to tell you that that
22 is a lie. We need each and every public servant that
23 we can fit into our budget, for our streets will not be
24 as they were until we begin to honor those who risk
25 their lives each and every day for us.
1 I wish there was a way that I could
2 come here and pour out to each and every Scranton
3 resident how important our public servants are, but
4 usually it doesn't come across until something
5 traumatic happens.
6 And then they turn around and they look
7 to the crime watch or to City Council or to the mayor
8 and they want to know where are the police, where are
9 the firemen, where are our people?
10 I say again, and I'll repeat it over
11 and over again, one of our main problems is we don't
12 honor our public servants.
13 So, I come here tonight to tell you,
14 Council, and my fellow Scrantonians, on July the 28, we
15 are going to hold a dinner at St. Mary's Center to
16 honor all areas of the criminal justice community, and
17 from each unit a special award will be given to a
18 special human soul for their acts of kindness to the
19 community this past year.
20 It doesn't involve politics, doesn't
21 involve self indulgence or egotistical acts, just a
22 helping hand that they extended to the community.
23 So, it is with great pride that
24 Florence Midtown Crime Watch states the following :
25 Leonard Namiotka, a wonderful lieutenant from the
1 Scranton Police Department will receive an award that
2 night, Scranton firemen David Gervasi will receive an
3 award that night, Lackawanna County Sheriff's Deputy
4 Tarik Patrick will receive an award that night,
5 Assistant D.A. Gene Talerico from the Lackawanna County
6 District Attorney's Office will receive an award that
7 night, correctional Officer Paul Voglino from the
8 Lackawanna County Prison will receive an award that
9 night. A special award will go to
10 Judge Michael Barrasse for his establishment of the
11 Lackawanna County drug program.
12 Crime watch prays that all of Scranton
13 will come out that night and support these people.
14 That's what we need, support.
15 I don't mind being the point person, I
16 don't mind walking the streets, I don't even mind
17 getting shot. I don't, because I know where my soul's
18 going, but I want to know what I'm getting shot for.
19 Thank you.
20 MS. GATELLI: Thank you. Janice
22 MS. KRASER: Hello, Council. I'm here
23 as a representative of Sloan Little League. First I
24 would like to apologize to Mrs. Evans for not making
25 the meeting on time last week. I had told her I would
1 be here to speak, and I wasn't able to come.
2 I would also like to thank her and
3 Mr. Courtright for their continued vocalized support of
4 us. It's much appreciated.
5 I was also going to request an apology
6 from Mr. McTiernan, but you said he has a meeting, for
7 his opinion of our fields, which are in pristine
8 condition, other than the teener league field.
9 The only reason the teener league field
10 is not maintained was because we started construction
11 on it last year, and then our grant money was somehow
12 delayed. So, we had to stop construction.
13 We did speak with all of you last week
14 after the meeting, and Mr. McTiernan said he would
15 apologize. So, I would expect one from him at the next
17 I would also like to clarify that we
18 are willing to work with the school district, but we
19 need to be guaranteed certain things to protect us.
20 All of our children either do or will
21 attend West Side High School at some point, so it's not
22 the children that we're against, but the manner in
23 which it was attempted for them to obtain our field at
24 Mr. Sheridan's request. He has really stunted any kind
25 of progression.
1 I would like to make you aware that we
2 have had uninterrupted play on our fields for over
3 50 years. This land is Act 70 land which cannot be
4 sold, unless there's state legislation. It's used for
5 recreation, historical and other.
6 And I would like to request at this
7 time that you pass the motion tonight that the
8 contracts go through as they stand at three years.
9 If we should come to an agreement with
10 the school district, we are willing to break our
11 contract with the city, but we would like the
12 protection of that contract until we make an agreement
13 with the school district.
14 I would also like to explain that Sloan
15 Little League does not hold tryouts. All children are
16 welcome at Sloan. We currently have numerous children
17 with disabilities.
18 My son Billy is one of them. He has
19 spina bifida. He has to wear braces to walk. He's
20 paralyzed below the knees, and he does make every
21 effort to be the best baseball player he can be, but he
22 cannot be the best baseball player an able bodied
23 person might be.
24 And other leagues do use tryouts to
25 legally weasel out of having all children play by
1 having a waiting list.
2 There no such thing at Sloan. We
3 welcome all children. We want our kids to play because
4 they love the game, they want to learn, and not just
5 because of their athletic build or abilities.
6 As per Janet's request from last week,
7 we did buy paint to clear the graffiti from our
8 playground. And I would like to clarify that the
9 ladder on the sliding board, there's no damage, no
10 loose parts, there's nothing. The graffiti is there,
11 and it will be taken care of this weekend most likely.
12 I would also like to request copies of
13 all grant information to all the fields in West Side,
14 as there very well be misappropriation of funds.
15 From my understanding, Lackawanna
16 Little League has gotten extensive grant monies, and
17 these funds are supposed to be based on not only needs
18 and requests, but on the financial status of the people
19 that live within that area for those fields.
20 I'm pretty sure that the majority of
21 people living in brand new houses up in Lackawanna's
22 area that are not paying taxes because of the KOZ are
23 financially more stable than we are.
24 As for Mrs. Gatelli's statements last
25 week that Bishop Hannon and Prep play at our fields,
1 Prep does not play at our field. They play at Tripps
2 Park. They've never played at our field.
3 But Bishop Hannon does play there,
4 because Mr. Sheridan pulled West Side's teams out, not
5 because we didn't welcome them there. Like I said, our
6 children go to West Side. My daughter goes to West
8 And I guess I don't have to ask
9 Mr. McTiernan to abstain from voting, but I would like
10 to say that he didn't have a conflict of interest in
11 voting, as he is a management position at Scranton
12 School District, and he can possibly benefit from a
13 decision that would work in the school district's favor
14 by being recommended for the job of superintendent,
15 since Mr. Sheridan does not have the qualifications to
16 hold the position that he has.
17 And I do have a copy of our deed, which
18 states that the land is for Sloan. So, if anybody
19 would like it. Thank you.
20 MS. GATELLI: Thank you. Erik Johnson,
21 taxpayer of Scranton. My heart and prayers go out to
22 retired fireman Jerry Langan's family and the passing
23 away of Jerry Langan.
24 Good evening, City Council and staff.
25 Past address, 1425 North Rebecca Avenue, Scranton.
1 Present time, taking up refuge at the Church of Christ
2 Building, 137 South Main Street, Scranton, a mattress
3 on the floor.
4 I received a notice in the mailbox from
5 the City of Scranton Department of Permits, Inspections
6 and Licensing regarding a code violation of an
7 accumulation of rubbish and garbage and a citation
8 threat that I, my son and his friends helped remove
9 from my house for garbage collection pickup from the
10 DPW to the usual spot of garbage pickup in front of
11 must past house curb.
12 Not one bag was picked up. A neighbor
13 of mine cleaning out when he moved in had 43 bags of
14 rubbish and garbage bags picked up with other articles,
15 and there were no problems with him and his family's
16 pickup, also no problems with the DPW picking up
17 furniture and rubbish in the Hill Section part of
18 Scranton, including students leaving massive amounts of
19 rubbish and garbage blocks long.
20 In the past 28 years living here, I
21 left only one or two bags of trash to be picked up in
22 front of my house.
23 At closing proceedings at my property
24 sale, my then attorney, Paul Kelly, made sure over
25 $1,100, included in interest garbage past due from the
1 collection agency was paid in full, all of my
2 proceedings of my sale, which left me less money to get
3 an apartment.
4 I paid property taxes up, including
5 city taxes and garbage taxes, which are now no balance
6 left. Paid in full after 28 years living at 1425 North
7 Rebecca Avenue on a fixed income.
8 I cannot afford a dumpster, as a city
9 inspector ordered me in regards for the DPW. I've used
10 up all of my little profit I received from the property
11 sale proceedings, and I shouldn't be singled out to be
12 an exception of not having my sizeable garbage to be
13 picked up, while other sizeable rubbish and garbage are
14 being picked up without a problem or a citation threat.
15 Since my divorce 2004, I have been
16 living on a very limited fixed income, and that was the
17 main reason of me selling my house and moving my -- and
18 moving to a -- I will be moving to a studio apartment,
19 which by all means is not a low income housing
20 apartment, which I try to inform for.
21 Most have been rented out, they tell
22 me, to people who have moved from Scranton from other
23 areas and are classified as priority low income,
24 including me, no, as a senior citizen income
1 I've lived here in Scranton since 1953,
2 since I was in the seventh grade. I was born in the
3 United States, and I sold my house for less than the
4 asking price.
5 I called Mr. Liptai, the head of the
6 housing inspector, but did not receive a call back from
7 -- I called Mr. Liptai, the head of the housing
8 inspectors, but did not receive a call back from him I
9 left on his message recording. Thank you for letting
10 me speak. Would you be able to look into this?
11 MS. GATELLI: Yes, certainly.
12 MR. JOHNSON: Thank you so much. I'd
13 really appreciate it. I'm really in a tough bind
14 really. Thank you.
15 MS. GATELLI: Is there anyone else that
16 would like to care to speak before Council?
17 MR. MORGAN: Good evening, Council. I
18 only need about two minutes. I've only got a couple
19 questions, and my first question is, what is the cash
20 reserve of the Scranton Sewer Authority?
21 MR. COURTRIGHT: I have no idea, Lee.
22 MR. MORGAN: Okay. Well, I think we
23 need to look and see what that reserve is, and if that
24 reserve totals enough money to pay off this money they
25 owe to American Anglican, I think we should move the
1 reserve and pay them. It's a pretty simple thing.
2 MS. GATELLI: I think the Sewer
3 Authority Board would have to do that.
4 MR. MORGAN: Well, absolutely, but, you
5 know, I mean --
6 MS. GATELLI: You can go to the sewer
7 board meeting.
8 MR. MORGAN: Yes, I do know that, but I
9 think the Council should add its two cents into this
11 MS. GATELLI: Well, we can, but there
12 is a board there that votes and makes the
14 MR. MORGAN: Absolutely. But I think
15 in the end what's going to happen is the city taxpayers
16 are going to get stuck with all this money, and I think
17 the Council needs to move in a way to protect the
18 residents of this city from any future rate increases,
19 and I think that a little leverage from you and the
20 mayor might help.
21 MS. GATELLI: Well, you're right there,
22 but we have no standing there.
23 MR. MORGAN: Well, I don't think it all
24 has to do with standing. I think that sometimes you
25 speak from positions of authority where you hold
1 authority in the city and your voice has more merit
2 than other people's voices, and I think it's time for
3 people who have that voice to start using it to protect
4 the residents.
5 MS. GATELLI: We can investigate it for
7 MR. MINORA: Just a couple of points.
8 I don't know what is left in the reserve funds, but I
9 can tell you that many times the way those trust
10 indentures are structured, and I know this was true at
11 one time at the Sewer Authority, I don't know if it's
12 still true, but my guess is that it's probably still
13 true, if there's any remaining debt, the trustee bank,
14 investment banker, usually restricts the use of those
15 reserve funds.
16 They're there to insure that the debt
17 can be paid in the event of a shortfall or they're
18 there to improve -- they're set aside to improve the
19 system in the future as the system breaks down so that
20 there won't be an additional borrowing.
21 So, a lot of times the trust funds are
22 set aside specifically, and sometimes unfortunately for
23 that purpose. Because your very practical solution, if
24 that's true, would be a fine one, but unfortunately
25 sometimes those trust documents and bank documents
1 prohibit the way that those documents can be used, so
2 that, although it would be wonderful if it could be
3 handled that way, it may not very well be able to be
4 done that way legally without violating the trust
6 MR. MORGAN: Well, I thought the
7 reserve of the Sewer Authority was $30 million, but I'm
8 not sure about that number.
9 5-C, is absolutely a great idea, and I
10 hope that Council will once again put Mellon Bank in
11 control of the pension funds, because I do remember
12 when that came up, when that subject came up, and we
13 changed the people who were responsible for that fund,
14 and they did a terrible job.
15 And Mellon Bank has always given a good
16 return to that pension fund, and I think that that
17 would be a really good decision for this Council and
18 this mayor to make, to give it back to somebody who
19 really knows how to run it, instead of worrying about
20 whether we can borrow some more money off of somebody.
21 And the last thing I have here is, you
22 know, the young lady got up here and spoke about Sloan
23 Field, and I just think that she did a wonderful job,
24 and I think that her ideas are absolutely fantastic.
25 And I hope that this Council will do all it can for her
1 and for those children. And that's all I have. Thank
3 MS. GATELLI: Anyone else?
4 MR. GERVASI: Good evening, City
5 Council. My name is Dave Gervasi. I'm a citizen,
6 resident, homeowner, and I'm the vice president of the
7 firefighters union.
8 Mrs. Gatelli, I want to start off
9 saying, I hate to say this, but it looks like Amil
10 Minora gained a few pounds since the last time I've
11 been here.
12 I'm here tonight obviously -- yeah,
13 he's still a pretty handsome guy.
14 MS. EVANS: And he got younger.
15 MR. GERVASI: I'm obviously here
16 tonight, we haven't been here in a while to speak on
17 issues, but obviously there was a newspaper article
18 today about our arbitration award for the firefighters.
19 I found it quite amusing when I woke up
20 this morning and I read The Times Tribune online and
21 there was a headline about the arbitration award, and
22 it was proceeded by a large red lead-in that said,
23 Exclusive. I found it kind of comical, since The Times
24 Trib is the only daily newspaper in the area. So, I
25 guess everything they print is probably an exclusive,
1 and they probably feared that the Hill Neighborhood
2 Association Newsletter or the Catholic Light might have
3 beat them to the punch on the article.
4 The story about the article was vintage
5 Times Tribune, and the reason why we're here and the
6 reason why I'd like to thank Mr. Finnerty and Ms. Marks
7 and all the nice people from Channel 61 is because we
8 actually have an opportunity to come here and give you
9 truthful accurate information, because, of course, the
10 article was completely butchered and filled with
11 inaccuracies. So, I'd like to just fill in the people,
12 citizens, of what really took place in that article.
13 I'm sure the article was inaccurate
14 because it sounds like they got their information from
15 just the administration, and that's on purpose.
16 We no longer talk to The Scranton
17 Times, because when a news reporter puts three
18 paragraphs and puts quotation marks around three
19 paragraphs of words I never said, it's time to not
20 really talk to them anymore.
21 And in the words of my president
22 Dave Schreiber, he says, Giving a statement to The
23 Scranton Times is like handing them a bag of rocks that
24 they will immediately start throwing at you.
25 So, let me get to the article. It
1 starts off saying, just to straighten out a few things
2 on it, that the city is on the hook for $2 million in
3 salary bonuses and increases.
4 Well, to put this in perspective, the
5 first three years of the arbitration award are bonuses,
6 which does nothing for our pension, does nothing for
7 our bottom line of our salary.
8 And if you take the three raises and
9 you spread them out over the five-year contract, it's
10 less than a cost of living raise every year for the
11 five years. So, we're still going backwards relative
12 to inflation.
13 They made a statement here that the
14 firefighters work three 24-hour shifts per week, as
15 opposed to the current schedule of four 12-hour shifts
16 per week, and the firefighters get two days off in
18 That's not accurate. We work two
19 10-hour day shifts, immediately work two 14-hour night
20 shifts, then we're off for four days. So, that's the
21 accuracy of that.
22 They also stated in the article that
23 the city currently maintains eight companies, four
24 engine companies, three truck companies and one rescue
1 We have actually ten stations. We have
2 seven engine companies and only two truck companies.
3 They got the one rescue truck right, so I've got to
4 hand it to them for that.
5 They said our union met two weeks ago
6 at St. Rocco's Church in Pittston. That wasn't
7 correct. It was St. Rocco's Church in Dunmore, which
8 is right over the line in East Scranton.
9 The other part of the article where I
10 feel the mayor took a cheap shot at us was about the
11 three shifts. Then he quotes in the paper, Many
12 firefighters work second jobs, which is why the union
13 opposes a three-shift schedule, the mayor said. They
14 will lose their second jobs, and they don't want to do
15 that. The way the schedule is structured now where the
16 firefighters work two days, then are off for two days
17 before coming in for two nights allows them the freedom
18 to do other jobs, and that's one reason that they are
19 against the shift changes.
20 Well, if the mayor took at least one
21 opportunity to actually attend an arbitration hearing,
22 he would know that we didn't oppose the three shifts.
23 As a matter of fact, we brought up
24 three points about the three shifts. And the mayor was
25 not at one arbitration hearing.
1 All we said about the three shifts was
2 there's no need to change it, because the city was
3 lying about being broke.
4 And how are they lying? Well, they
5 spent $40,000 on a financial analysis to tell the
6 arbitrator that we were broke, when we used their bond
7 prospectus, their budget, their independent audit, and
8 an independent audit we did that shows there's an
9 operational surplus in our budget since 1999. So, why
10 change anything when we have a surplus?
11 Then we also said -- in the Recovery
12 Plan it says they want to put us on a shift, a type of
13 shift. And it apparently must have came from our fire
14 chief. The shift that they want to put us on, less
15 than two percent of every paid career fire department
16 in the United States and Canada are on that shift.
17 We suggested to the arbitrator that if
18 he does put us on three shifts, can we please do a
19 24-hour shift, because 79 percent of every career
20 department in the United States and Canada is on that
21 shift. It's the most popular shift for many reasons.
22 It's the most efficient shift to run a fire department
24 And the other argument we had about the
25 shift was that it's going to increase our hours from
1 42 hours a week to 48 hours a week. And we said, if
2 you're going to make us work an extra six hours a week,
3 they didn't want to pay us.
4 So, I don't think there's anyone out
5 there in the audience that would go to work on Monday
6 and their boss tells them, By the way, you have to come
7 in for six hours every Saturday or we're not going to
8 pay you, and you wouldn't complain about it.
9 So, we just suggested to the
10 arbitrator, if you're going to put us on the shifts,
11 can we at least get paid for the hours we work? So, it
12 has nothing to do with part-time jobs.
13 But maybe the mayor should be a little
14 less concerned about what firefighters do on their time
15 off and more concerned about his own cabinet members.
16 And I'm sure I'm going to get a lot of retribution
17 about this tomorrow, but I want our cabinet members to
18 know, Don't get mad of me. I've been behaving myself
19 for months and months and months now. But when the
20 mayor takes a cheap shot at us, I'm going to take a
21 cheap shot back. And it's not a cheap shot, it's
23 Because he should worry about his two
24 full-time solicitors, that they're nowhere to be found
25 here in City Hall. Apparently their full-time
1 solicitorship job here is a part-time job for them.
2 One member does inspections part-time.
3 One cabinet member teaches part-time. One cabinet
4 member referees sporting events part-time. One cabinet
5 members has a surveying business on the side. One has
6 been using a city vehicle while checking on his roofing
7 business to check on his employees, been seen many
8 times doing that. Even the mayor's a partner in his
9 own part-time family business.
10 So, why would he be concerned about
11 firefighters working part-time when the city's not
12 paying them and it's not costing taxpayer money, it's
13 their own time? He should be worrying about his own
15 Just to finish, because I like to be a
16 fair guy, I had to take a shot at them. When they make
17 comments about my members, I'm going to come here and
18 I'm going to shoot back. It's only right and it's only
20 But you got to give credit where
21 credit's due. I noticed on the agenda that we're going
22 to be talking about Mellon Bank. I guess the
23 legislation came down.
24 And I want to thank Mrs. Gatelli and I
25 want to thank Mrs. Evans and I want to thank the mayor
1 for taking the time to actually look at this situation,
2 study the situation, and I want to thank the mayor for
3 doing the right thing.
4 It's the right thing for the employees,
5 it's the right thing for the city, it's the right thing
6 for the taxpayers. They were the low bidder. They
7 were the best bid that was put in for the job, and
8 their past history has shown that they've always done
9 well for our pension fund.
10 So, in closing, I want to thank Mayor
11 Doherty for actually looking into it, and I would hope
12 that we would have approval tonight of that contract.
13 Thank you so much for letting me speak.
14 MS. GATELLI: Is there anyone else?
16 MR. SLEDZINSKI: I got some good news,
17 Judy. They won today, 4-2. So, I don't know when
18 they're playing yet. But, Billy, I'll tell you right
19 now, I'm darn proud of you sitting up there, Bill. You
20 and Janet, the best. Thank you.
21 MS. GATELLI: Anyone else care to speak
22 before Council?
23 MS. KRAKE: Good evening, Council. My
24 name is Nancy Krake. And I'd like to comment on one of
25 Mr. Gervasi's comments. It sounds to me more like the
1 cabinet members consider their city jobs their
2 part-time jobs and their other jobs are their full-time
4 The first thing I'd like to say is to
5 Mrs. Fanucci, you seem to be having trouble getting
6 figures from OECD. You can ask to look at their
7 vouchers and all the bills. That's all public
8 knowledge, and I'm sure they'll be much more
9 descriptive than a line item in a budget.
10 And I was also wondering if anything
11 has come out of the PEL meetings you've been attending.
12 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Yes. But we are
13 not allowed to respond on anything that goes on in PEL
14 until the whole entire thing is finished.
15 MS. KRAKE: When will that be?
16 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Well, we have
17 meetings. I mean, I've been at meetings -- they're
18 scheduled from now until the next few months. I mean,
19 it's constant. This is not -- it's a discovery, it's
20 an input, it's a decision. It's not just a meeting.
21 So, there's nothing that you can do in concrete until
22 it's over.
23 MS. KRAKE: Okay. That's fine.
24 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: And with the other
25 thing, I want to say, he's looking for an audit. He's
1 looking for the entire thing. I don't think he just
2 wants a few receipts. So, I believed he wanted the
3 entire report.
4 MS. KRAKE: Well, I believe they would
5 be part of a report was my point.
6 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Oh, I can just get
7 the receipts. Is that what you want?
8 MS. KRAKE: It's not what I want, I'm
9 just telling you that there are other ways to get
10 information. If someone isn't giving you everything,
11 you may want to check a little deeper or dig a little
13 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Okay. Thank you.
14 MS. KRAKE: I'd like to go back to one
15 of the things the mayor said during his campaign for
17 He told us that he had created 3,000
18 new jobs. The reality is after the Single Tax Office
19 has finished collecting the new EMS Tax, there's
20 approximately 800 new jobs maybe. That's just shy a
21 couple thousand of what the mayor originally told us.
22 The only promises this administration
23 keeps are to their elite circle, I'm sorry to say. We
24 can't trust them to run a city for the good of
1 I'd like to know when we all lost sight
2 of why we pay taxes. Our tax dollars should be for the
3 vital and necessary community services, community
4 services, like fighting fires, keeping our city safe
5 and keeping our city clean.
6 Instead, our tax dollars are used to
7 fill the pockets of political cronies. You don't have
8 to take my word for it. Just look at this
9 administration's track record.
10 The money from the 30 clerical jobs
11 that were cut went to fund much higher paying middle
12 management jobs and raises.
13 Bad enough these higher paying jobs
14 hurt us in the pocket, but what about our lives? Are
15 we going to allow the same administration to take our
16 tax dollars away from workers who protect us in our
17 daily lives and divert it to the pet projects that
18 satisfy some of their campaign contributors? I hope
19 that doesn't happen to us.
20 If we add the arbitration awards for
21 police and fire, the total of approximately $4 million
22 is just as much as the $4 million this administration
23 has received in raises and jobs over the past five
25 That means that over 300 workers,
1 workers who protect our families and our properties
2 every day, will be receiving the same amount of money
3 as a handful of administrative desk workers received in
4 this administration's first term. That is
6 And to add insult to injury, these
7 workers had to fight to receive their less than cost of
8 living raises five years late.
9 The administration simply handed out
10 tax dollars over to themselves for their raises. Also,
11 don't forget the three quarters of a million dollars
12 the taxpayers have paid to law firms the administration
13 hired to berate these workers.
14 The administration has deep pockets
15 because they are our pockets. And the choices they
16 make as to where our money goes are far from the
17 reality of the daily living for the citizens of
19 This is not about cuts or savings.
20 This is about hurting the citizens and the workers of
21 the city. Thank you.
22 MS. GATELLI: Thank you.
23 MR. ANCHERANI: Good evening, Council.
24 I'm Nelson Ancherani, I'm a resident, taxpayer, city
25 employee, and financial secretary of the FOP.
1 I'm going to add to what Mrs. Krake
2 said, by the end of this year, that $3 million is going
3 to climb to over $5 million with the raise and new
4 hires cumulatively.
5 I'm here tonight to exercise my opinion
6 and First Amendment Rights under the Constitution of
7 the United States.
8 Since Sunday, the newspaper, which I
9 will say again, I won't buy or subscribe, but I will
10 read it for free, has been running a crime story titled
11 Crime in the Cities.
12 I felt compelled to come here to
13 correct what I believe is another slap in the face to
14 the police union.
15 On May 23rd the headline reads, Crime
16 in the Cities. More Cops Are Not the Only Answer. In
17 the article it talks about flexible staffing. We have
18 flexible staffing in our contract.
19 Those words aren't used, but it is
20 flexible staffing. First before I get into that, I'm
21 going to say that when the unions sat down with the
22 city at the bargaining table and they negotiated a
23 contract, and it is signed by the parties, it is
25 It is a contract which is an
1 enforceable covenant, a formal binding agreement and
2 enforceable by compelling or forcing the parties to
3 abide by that contract.
4 In May of 1999, an agreement was signed
5 by the then mayor James Connors. It was also signed by
6 FOP representatives making it an enforceable covenant
7 or contract. Its effective dates were January 1, '96
8 to December 31, 2002.
9 The union officers had gone four years
10 then without a pay increase. But that's water over the
12 In January 2002, a new mayor was sworn
13 in. Almost immediately a Recovery Plan was drawn up by
14 his administration. By the end of 2002, approximately
15 100 city employees were forced to leave city
17 Contract talks started between the city
18 and unions. The city then filed for arbitration. And
19 when 2003 came around, the old contract stood in effect
20 until this year, when in March of 2000, an arbitrator
21 handed down his Act 111 award.
22 Since then, the city has appealed the
23 award to Lackawanna County Court. The '96-2002
24 contract still remains in place. It's still a
1 Back to flexible staffing in the
2 '96-2002 contract, there's an agreement called
3 strategic implementation team, hence, called the SIT
5 The city is saying in the newspaper
6 articles that they can't put manpower where they want
7 and when they want. I refer to that agreement.
8 In the structure of the department
9 there's a D shift. That would basically work from
10 8 p.m. to 4 a.m. That was what was determined by the
11 parties who signed that contract.
12 In the same agreement, there were
13 civilians who were to be hired to do the paperwork for
14 the patrol officers on the street. The purpose of that
15 was to get the patrol officers back on the road as
16 quickly as possible.
17 Mayor Connors violated the SIT
18 agreement and it went to arbitration. The union won
19 and the SIT clerks were hired.
20 When Mayor Doherty took office sometime
21 later, the SIT clerks were eliminated by his
22 administration. This, again, went to arbitration. The
23 city again lost the arbitration, and the arbitrator
24 called it willful and blatant conduct on the part of
25 the city.
1 This SIT agreement was upheld by
2 Lackawanna County Court and went to Commonwealth Court
3 on appeal. A hearing was held approximately five to
4 six months ago and a decision should be handed down in
5 the future, and hopefully it's the near future.
6 Anyway, this city is saying they can't
7 put officers where and when they want. They can. All
8 they have to do is hire the SIT clerks back. That will
9 free up the patrol officers to get back on the road
10 faster and will give the city the ability to reinstate
11 the D shift, as simple as that.
12 Look at where else they have put
13 flexible staffing. They have CommD officers that work
14 the hours the city wants them to work. They have the
15 school resource officers. They have established bike
16 patrols, K-9 units, and the Pace Unit that was
17 mentioned in this morning's article in the paper. They
18 had a beer squad, they run saturation patrols.
19 The answer to all this was just sitting
20 down and bargaining with the unions, instead of trying
21 to break them.
22 In past contract negotiations, whenever
23 the city cried poverty, the unions gave concessions.
24 The unions always helped the city out in their time of
25 need, but the past administrations treated the unions
1 with respect. We don't get that now.
2 If the city is so concerned about
3 flexible staffing, why was it said in the arbitration
4 hearings that the city could get by with 40 police
6 With 40 police officers, how do you put
7 sufficient numbers on the street? By the city's own
8 numbers, the police department responded to over 63,000
9 calls last year. How does a police department with 40
10 men handle 63,000 calls, let alone have flexible
11 staffing? Thank you.
12 MR. LYMAN: Anyone else.
13 MR. COURTRIGHT: Okay. Ray's taking
14 over the meeting. Go ahead, Kay.
15 MS. GARVEY: 5-A, Motions.
16 MR. LYMAN: Mrs. Evans.
17 MS. EVANS: Well, thank you, Mr. Lyman.
18 Good evening. For your consideration, several facts
19 several months in advance of the adoption of the 2007
20 operating budget.
21 Number one, the city is well over $200
22 million in long-term debt; two, the American water
23 services arbitration award is well over $5 million, in
24 fact, $5,515,073, plus interest, plus an additional
25 $200,000 in interest, according to Judge Harvey
1 Bartel's ruling.
2 The police arbitration award is $2.2
3 million, plus interest and penalties and legal fees
4 that accrue as the arbitration is appealed.
5 Fire arbitration, $2 million. The
6 mayor indicates he will appeal, adding, once again,
7 interest, penalties and legal fees to that total award.
8 A total of approximately $10 million is
9 owed now, and we'll pay even more if we're forced to
10 wait and pay later.
11 The city already suffers from a huge
12 deficit. Before this mayor sends any legislation to
13 Council to borrow, refinance, or raise taxes, or lease
14 or sells storm water systems, he first must cut his
15 budget, his costs, his management team and his
16 management salaries to bare bones. There will be no
17 passing the buck this time to the taxpayers or to this
19 I also have a few citizens' requests
20 for this week. 1021 Richmont Street, a house has been
21 abandoned for over two years. Windows are broken, the
22 grass is over a foot high. Please send an inspector to
23 determine ownership and to contact owner for repairs.
24 At the corner of Meadow Avenue and
25 River Street, US Mini Mart had been constructed, but
1 before the structure was approved, I was informed that
2 either zoning or planning required a traffic study in
3 the area. What were the results of the study, was a
4 traffic light to be installed and costs incurred by the
6 Of course, this is located in the midst
7 of the Clarion, Gerrity's Supermarket, Wachovia Bank
8 and the mini mart. This intersection is heavily
9 travelled, and many vehicles heading up Meadow Avenue
10 to River Street stop in this intersection expecting
11 either a stop sign or a light. Please provide a
12 written response.
13 1158 Hampton Street, an abandoned house
14 has been vacant for approximately 11 years since the
15 owner died. The property is a tangle of overgrown
16 weeds and presents a fire hazards, according to
18 They have called the blight hotline,
19 and someone cuts the grass occasionally. It
20 temporarily and at best partially solves the problem.
21 Neighbors, who keep up their properties, are outraged
22 that they still endure such blight. I want a permanent
23 solution to this eyesore after 11 years of neighborhood
25 A memo to Mr. Scopelliti,
1 correspondence and copies should be forwarded to
2 Kay Garvey, city clerk, not Jay Saunders, who resigned
3 in November 2005.
4 A memo to the mayor, What is the date
5 for the dedication of the plaque honoring Mr. Lasess at
6 the Genesis Wildlife Center?
7 And a letter to Attorney Farrell
8 requesting an immediate update on Mr. Doug Walsh's case
9 regarding his property on Fisk Street.
10 And I also received a phone message
11 this evening from a resident of Gardner Avenue who
12 states that the Sewer Authority has been working on
13 their street for the past month and blocking driveways,
14 as well as the streets, and the residents would have
15 appreciated a warning that this was going to
17 So, in future circumstances, I'm sure
18 the Sewer Authority most often would provide
19 notification. I don't know why it didn't occur in this
20 particular circumstance, but let's get that done
21 whenever the situation arises.
22 And, Kay, I would also like a copy of
23 the contractor developer's agreement between it The
24 Icebox and the City of Scranton or the SRA. And that's
1 MS. GATELLI: Before you start,
2 Mrs. Fanucci.
3 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: I would just like
4 to say, the light was approved on Meadow Avenue and
5 River Street.
6 MS. EVANS: But when is it going in?
7 MS. GATELLI: It should be up within
8 the next six months.
9 MS. EVANS: Six months.
10 MS. GATELLI: Uh-huh.
11 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Kay, I wanted to
12 see if we can get information on every ordinance we
13 have on our eminent domain for properties in the city
14 and any ordinance on seized property that we have in
15 the city.
16 It seems to be a very large loophole
17 for people who are purchasing to purchase these
18 properties or make the people accountable for what is
19 going on on these properties.
20 There's confusion on whether city owns
21 properties or whether independent people own
22 properties, and it's going on. I've gotten at least
23 four phone calls from people who are actually trying to
24 purchase properties thinking that it's the city's,
25 finding out later on it's not.
1 We had a case here last week, the same
2 thing. Finding that they are privately owned still,
3 but the city still believes that they hold the title.
4 So, I want to find out exactly where we
5 -- what information we have on that, seeing if we can
6 get somewhere with that.
7 Also, I found out this week that
8 they're allowed five cuts on a road before they have to
9 pave the whole entire road.
10 Now, maybe it's a pet peeve of mine,
11 but, yeah, it's going to happen. I want to see if we
12 can write a letter to Mr. Parker requesting information
13 on how much it would cost to be able to redo a road
14 after only three cuts.
15 A lot of times if the company
16 themselves does not do it, the electric company or the
17 gas company does not, the city comes in and does it
18 themselves. So, I'm just looking on cost, you know
19 prohibitive to see if maybe if worth looking into.
20 Also, I have something to say to
21 Mr. Gervasi. I mean, this, you know me with my sense
22 of humor, if they got your stuff wrong with the paper,
23 chance are maybe a lot of quotes aren't right.
24 We do a lot of responding here to The
25 Scranton Times, and it sort of is not -- I mean, what
1 does that have to do with what we're doing here in city
2 business? It's a lot of rehashing and responding to
3 what we read in the newspaper. It seems to be like
4 just a constant cycle of just he said, she said.
5 And maybe if we, I don't know,
6 communication just gets a little bit better, we won't
7 have this constant battle between us and -- you know, I
8 feel like I write the paper every time somebody comes
9 up here. I'm like, listen, it has nothing to do with
10 what we're doing.
11 MS. EVANS: You know, I think, if I
12 could just interject. I think Mr. Gervasi's point is
13 this, that the newspaper, or maybe I'm going to inject
14 first, and then perhaps restate what I think I heard
15 you say, the newspaper is so limited in the amount of
16 space that any reporter is assigned to cover any given
17 story, so, of course, you're never going to receive the
18 entire story, that's a given, but oftentimes the
19 newspaper, and I'm setting aside editorials now,
20 because they're purely opinion.
21 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Right.
22 MS. EVANS: But oftentimes stories have
23 not contained all of the facts. Some of the facts have
24 been reported incorrectly. Quotations have been
25 utilized that were, in fact, not the words of the
1 individual; in other words, they're using a direct
2 quotation thereby putting words in people's mouths.
3 So, when Mr. Gervasi or any of the
4 other speakers would approach Council, they are
5 discussing city business, but they are attempting to
6 fully inform the listening public of the entirety
7 involved in the situation.
8 I think it's a dual purpose, number
9 one, to correct the misinformation that's been
10 provided, and then to give the listening audience the
11 full information so that they can evaluate any
12 situation in an informed manner.
13 Because we know, you know, there are,
14 as was said, two sides to every story. And if you
15 consistently receive only one side of most of the
16 stories, very often, and I see this even in my
17 classroom, very often people forget there is another
18 side. And that's the great advantage of this hall,
19 that we are able to hear from the other side and make
20 an informed decision. And I think that's all that's
21 basically occurring. I don't think it's any type of
22 slight or any type of offense toward City Council.
23 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: No. And maybe it
24 was not said in the correct form. I think my problem
25 or what I find ironic is a lot of times they're using
1 it as resource, and I hear in the one same article I
2 hear, And this is what The Scranton Times has said, and
3 it's okay. And then in the next second it's, This is
4 what The Scranton Times has said. So, I mean, it's
5 sort of, you know -- that's the only point I was
6 making. And I actually was doing it as a little bit of
7 a joke to Dave, but it's okay. So, I'm sorry.
8 Anyway, back to my motions. There was
9 only one more thing I wanted to talk about. My
10 meetings with PEL I know is a very touchy issue. And
11 I'm going to tell the public why these are touchy
13 The problem with PEL coming in and
14 declaring this distressed city status, which has been
15 going on for years, has become the spotlight
16 prominently the last few weeks, and especially with all
17 the arbitrations, because PEL are really the people who
18 are guiding the arbitration process. They're the one
19 who gave Act 57 so that there are guidance for the
20 attorneys to go in. That is why this has come to
21 fruition as it is.
22 We are -- in these meetings are such
23 discovering exactly where we are in our city
24 financially. And I know Mrs. Evans had attended, like,
25 two meetings, and it is very, very apparent the
1 situation we're in.
2 I don't think one of us is up here
3 claiming that we have lots of money or we don't believe
4 the way that the city is being fiscally run is the best
5 that it could be. But these meetings are not a
7 So, I can't get up here and say, Last
8 week we decided that we're going to, you know, cut out
9 the garbage tax for everybody. I just can't do that.
10 That is not what these meetings are about. They're
11 just discovering, and what I believe is to redo the
12 Recovery Plan or figure out if there's another way.
13 I don't believe they're saying this is,
14 you know, exactly what we need to do, but I do believe
15 it's more of a discovery.
16 And I would love to meet with anyone
17 who wants to give any information that I can bring back
18 to them for any guidance, because to be honest with
19 you, I was not around for the writing of the plan, for
20 the discovery of the plan.
21 It was sort of, you know, it was the
22 State's deal, and at the time now here we were. We're
23 still years and years later in the same situation we
24 were. Nothing has been implemented, and I don't
25 believe there's any of us who feel any differently.
1 We need to really seriously sit down
2 and figure out a solution to where we are. We are in
3 major, major turmoil and taxes.
4 And there's not one of us in the city
5 who do not believe that we do not need taxes. We have
6 to have taxes so that we can pay the people who protect
7 us, so we can pay the people who are out there giving
8 us services. That is what a city is about. It's about
10 But beside the service, we have to
11 realize what it is that we are going to be attract --
12 who we're going to attract and how we're going to
13 attract them.
14 Last week I went off on a little --
15 Southern Union. I spoke out of line about Southern
16 Union. I had said what I had heard and they had told
17 me about people coming in.
18 What happens when you do this and it's
19 not in concrete, and I bet the union people know this
20 better than anything, anything's a rumor until it's in
21 black and white and it's signed and it's over. It's a
23 So, to me, to come up here and report
24 things as they're going on are just rumors at this
25 time. So, that is -- it is a bad issues, and I feel
1 bad that I can't come back and say to you this is
2 exactly where we are, because I would like to be able
3 to do that, because really where we are is not any
4 different than where we were. We're just discovering
5 what's better for the city. And that's all I have to
6 report on PEL. So, thank you.
7 MS. GATELLI: Thank you.
8 Mr. Courtright.
9 MR. COURTRIGHT: Yes. The gentleman
10 that was here last week about Vine Street, about the
11 trees falling down on his property, after going around
12 and around about it, mostly after Kay going around and
13 around about it, it fell only Mike Luciani's lap. And
14 he says it's not owned by the city. It's owned by a
15 realty company. I'm not going to say their name.
16 So, I have their name and address here.
17 So, Kay, I would ask -- I would imagine it would be
18 Mr. Fiorini, that he send a letter to this realty
19 company, tell them to clean up their property, all
20 right? Do you have it or do you need my copy? Do you
21 have the name?
22 MS. GARVEY: I have it.
23 MR. COURTRIGHT: You have it? Okay.
24 And the police cars, Dave Elliott is saying that
25 Mike Lynady would be the guy to let us know if and when
1 we're going to get the police cars, and the information
2 we got is to go and see purchasing and to see the
3 purchase order.
4 And once again, Kay did that, and the
5 purchase order was 4/19/06. So, they're saying four to
6 six weeks from the time of the purchase order. So, the
7 best calculation will be May 31, right, that we should
8 be seeing these police cars.
9 I did not ask the number, but I believe
10 it was seven the last time. Do you know, Kay?
11 MS. GARVEY: I didn't find that out,
13 MR. COURTRIGHT: So, if we can check
14 and see, but hopefully May 31, we'll see the police
16 One thing I neglected to ask, and I
17 will take it up with Dave Elliott myself, we were
18 supposed to be getting police cars for the -- used
19 police cars for the detective bureau, and I don't know
20 what happened there. That just seemed to fall off the
21 face of the earth here. So, I will talk to him about
22 that and see if we can -- we don't want them to slight
23 the detective bureau. I don't know if you've ever seen
24 any of their cars. They're hideous.
25 All right. I'm sorry. I'm going to be
1 a little bit long tonight. Mr. Parker, I've got give
2 credit where credit's due, he did a lot of work for me
3 and got it to me in time.
4 Railroad Avenue and Broadway, it's a
5 three-way stop sign. The signage that will go up there
6 in addition to that will be so you can't park too close
7 to the stop sign -- our too close to the intersection
8 where the stop sign is so everything is visible.
9 He gave me a whole rendition on why you
10 get a stop sign and how you get a stop sign, and
11 anybody that is interested, I will give them what he
12 gave to me. It's too lengthy for me to read.
13 But one thing it does say in here, and
14 I'll just read this one part, it may not be used for
15 speed control, all right?
16 These -- and Fay, I believe, asked, Why
17 are we listening to PennDOT? We fall under PennDOT's
18 guidelines in the City of Scranton. That's why we're
19 listening to PennDOT.
20 The cost of a traffic signal, and this
21 I think is worth reading, so those of us that are
22 asking for traffic signals, I understand that you can't
23 put a price on life and on accidents, but we only have
24 so much money. Obviously this city doesn't have any
25 money. We're $240 million in the hole.
1 But let me read this to you. The cost
2 for an engineering study, whether traffic signals is
3 warranted at an intersection, this is just a study, is
4 upwards of $20,000. That's just a study.
5 The cost to design the project if it is
6 warranted could cost upwards of $60,000, all right?
7 So, we got $20,000 and $60,000.
8 The cost to install signal heads, mask
9 arms, poles, control box, pavement detectors, curb and
10 pavement markings for channelized of traffic, et
11 cetera, could cost upwards of $200,000.
12 So, that's why it's not that easy to
13 get a traffic signal. And, again, I'm not trying to
14 put a price on someone's life, but $200,000 is a lot of
16 The intersection, and, again, this is
17 all Mr. Parker getting back to me, so I thank him,
18 because I was going to bring this one up again tonight,
19 at the intersection of Dale Avenue and Luzerne Street,
20 I said about 50 broken chunks of pavement. A truck
21 happened to go by there, and the neighbor that lives
22 there is a little irritated. A truck drove by there
23 and kicked all that up and hit his house. Mr. Parker
24 said that will be addressed in the very near future.
25 Why the 500 block -- Les didn't come up
1 to the podium tonight, he wasn't here -- why the 500
2 block of North Rebecca is a two way and the rest isn't,
3 Mr. Parker said he'd have to investigate that.
4 But I did get E-mails from neighbors on
5 the 500 block of North Rebecca. They do not want that
6 changed, and they have their reasons. And I think
7 that's all I have as far as Mr. Parker is concerned.
8 Mr. Narsavage touched on the police
9 officers. They've been stepping up the patrols as much
10 as possible back in the Tripps Park area.
11 I would like to commend Jill and
12 Melissa, the two beat cops in West Scranton. I've
13 gotten several people coming up to me. I believe
14 because of the warmer weather they're much more
15 visible, and they really, really, if a complaint has
16 been given to them, they have followed up on it. And
17 the people just love them over there. So, don't take
18 Jill and Melissa out of West Scranton. Do you hear
19 that, Dave Elliott?
20 Another one, Lawall Avenue down in the
21 Weston Field area, about two years ago I sent a letter
22 to Mr. Parker about Blair Avenue and Lawall Avenue, and
23 they both had problems with water laying down there,
24 and they weren't going to fix the Blair Avenue one
25 because of the fact the road needed to be milled and
2 Well, miraculously before the election,
3 that road got milled and paved, so that solved that
4 problem. But somehow Lawall Avenue fell to the
6 And I called and got the exact address,
7 and I neglected to bring it with me, so I will get
8 that, Kay, and maybe Mr. Parker can go and take a look
9 at it, because that's the one that he said he would be
10 able to fix. So, I'm just -- I think -- I don't think
11 he did it intentional, I just think the man's busy.
12 On Diamond Avenue, and I did not know
13 what Mr. Sbaraglia kept bringing up about the fact that
14 we own a property down there for the DPW, until I went
15 down and looked. And it's the old Cordaro Building,
16 and the city is using it, and there's a lot of problems
18 And my understanding is just last week
19 they boarded up the glass that was falling out the
20 front. That was taken care of. I'm using Bob's time
21 here, Judy, if you don't.
22 MS. GATELLI: Go ahead. Take your
24 MR. COURTRIGHT: Kay, I asked a while
25 back, OECD, and I don't know if I didn't get a response
1 or I got it and I didn't see it, but they needed -- the
2 South Side Steelers, and I know they're doing a lot of
3 work in Connell Park, but this is separate.
4 They need $4,000 for the irrigation up
5 there. And I had asked if they could check to that
6 miraculous UDAG fund or RERE Fund that we seem to pull
7 out of the air all the time, if there was $4,000 there
8 for them. And I don't believe I got an answer. If I
9 did, I didn't see it. I apologize. But can we ask
10 that and see if they can get that $4,000? That's been
11 quite a while I asked about that.
12 MS. GARVEY: Okay.
13 MR. COURTRIGHT: And I, too, would like
14 to send my sympathies to Jerry Langan's family.
15 And one last thing, Fellows Park, I
16 believe somebody brought it up tonight and they brought
17 it up last week, the administration said they were
18 going to commit $50,000 to that park. I heard that
19 with my own ears, so hopefully that will be done.
20 But I spoke to a gentleman today that,
21 I don't think he wants his name mentioned, so I'm not
22 going to mention this, from the neighborhood
23 association there, and he had asked that if possible
24 when they go up there and do whatever renovations
25 they're going to do, I'm being told it's going to be
1 sidewalks and a new playground, which they sorely need,
2 that if electricity could be installed somewhere there.
3 Because the neighborhood, they decorate
4 Allen Park, and they do a great job. They've been
5 doing it for years at Christmastime. And they would
6 like to do Fellows Park, but there's no electricity
8 So, if they could add that in while
9 they're doing that $50,000 worth of work, I think they
10 would appreciate that. And that's it. Thank you.
11 MS. EVANS: Mr. Courtright, can we go
12 back to the original discussion of the traffic light
13 over on Railroad and Broadway? PennDOT recently did a
14 study or was it the previous study?
15 MR. COURTRIGHT: Let's see.
16 MS. EVANS: I know they had done one a
17 number of years ago. Prior to the construction of the,
18 let's call it the new highway that leads from
19 7th Avenue down by Scranton High School, you know,
20 right through to West Scranton, so as a result of all
21 that new construction, that particular street,
22 Railroad Avenue and Broadway, is now more heavily
23 travelled than ever before, so that if this traffic
24 study, which is the one, I believe, they're probably
25 still utilizing. This was done so long ago, you know,
1 prior to that construction, that it's no longer
3 And maybe they need to be taking a look
4 at that now, because it really is very dangerous, very
5 heavily travelled, and you know people are parking on
6 both sides of that street, and the traffic travels at
7 excessive speeds.
8 And I think it's a situation where more
9 than stop signs or, you know, parking X-amount of feet
10 from the corner will be warranted.
11 MR. COURTRIGHT: He doesn't reference a
12 date for the traffic study. It just says a traffic
13 study for the intersection has been completed. So, he
14 doesn't reference a date. The only date that he gives
15 me is File of Council No. 35, which we passed, you
16 know, to put them in there.
17 MS. EVANS: Right, which was a week or
18 two ago.
19 MR. COURTRIGHT: So, I will ask him.
20 You know, all the time I say I'll ask or we'll say we
21 ask, actually Kay does the asking usually for us,
22 right? But I think she --
23 MS. GATELLI: Let your fingers do the
25 MR. COURTRIGHT: If we can find out
1 when the study was done, Kay. If I come in tomorrow, I
2 will call him myself and ask him.
3 MS. GATELLI: There is a traffic light
4 less than a block away from there, too.
5 MR. COURTRIGHT: At the intersection of
6 Luzerne and Railroad.
7 MS. GATELLI: I don't know if they'd
8 put another traffic light that close.
9 MR. COURTRIGHT: I don't know. I don't
10 know how they'd determine that, to be honest with you.
11 MS. EVANS: I don't either, because as
12 we were discussing before about the mini mart, that was
13 a promised evidently prior to the construction of the
14 mini mart, which has been there for many, many, many
16 And although the cost appears to be a
17 bit high at $200,000, it certainly -- I really do not
18 understand why it's taken, well, it has to be at least
19 six years.
20 MR. COURTRIGHT: He's given me an in
21 depth thing on stop signs. I don't have anything here
22 on traffic signals. I'm sure he'll supply us with
24 MS. GATELLI: I think they did a
25 citywide traffic study. We might be able to get a copy
1 of that. That's where the light is included for the
2 mini mart. It's included in that traffic study. Donny
3 King probably has it, because he's the one that gave me
4 the information.
5 MS. EVANS: Okay. And my information
6 was coming from residents of the area who remember
7 before the mini mart came in and --
8 MS. GATELLI: It was a condition of the
9 planning commission --
10 MS. EVANS: Yes.
11 MS. GATELLI: -- but they don't any
12 ramifications afterwards.
13 MS. EVANS: They were E-mailing and
14 E-mailing, you know, when, when, when, how many more
16 MS. GATELLI: And you have Route 81
17 there, too, the exits. So --
18 MR. COURTRIGHT: You know, the way it
19 reads --
20 MS. GATELLI: No one's disputing that
21 it's not bad there.
22 MR. COURTRIGHT: The way it reads here,
23 I don't know, it kind of tends me to believe it was
24 recent, maybe not. This is a traffic study for the
25 intersection of Railroad Avenue and Broadway Street has
1 been completed.
2 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Let's find out.
3 MS. GATELLI: Well, we can ask him.
4 MR. COURTRIGHT: I'll find an exact
5 date. And, again, I've got to thank him. He ran this
6 up here personally to me today so I could have it in
7 time for the meeting, and I thank him for that. And
8 we'll get that answered. Hopefully we can get --
9 MS. EVANS: You know, also that same
10 area is very prone to mine subsidence, cave-ins.
11 They've had numerous situations in the past, and now
12 because of that new construction, they have, despite
13 the fact that no trucks allowed signs were posted,
14 there are large trucks and busses traveling on
15 Railroad Avenue, regardless, and the residents are
16 worried about cave-ins in their, you know, within their
17 own property.
18 MR. COURTRIGHT: I think what is only
19 supposed to be travelling down that road are trucks in
20 from the businesses that are on that road that had
21 existed there, for lack of a better word.
22 MS. EVANS: That's correct.
23 MR. COURTRIGHT: They grandfathered
24 them in.
25 MS. EVANS: Correct.
1 MR. COURTRIGHT: I would imagine
2 there's many others that shouldn't be there.
3 MS. EVANS: Right. The neighbors all
4 report there are many, many others.
5 MR. COURTRIGHT: And the police, I know
6 firsthand, because I went there with them, they've gone
7 down and checked it. It's just -- I think it's just a
8 matter of manpower. We don't --
9 MS. EVANS: We don't have it.
10 MR. COURTRIGHT: We don't have enough
11 police officers to have them sit there, as many other
12 cases in this city.
13 You know, every week I get residents
14 ask could a police officer stay here and watch this,
15 could a police officer -- and I'm sure that we need
16 someone to do that. It's just we don't have the
17 manpower. So, maybe in the future we'll get more
19 MS. EVANS: Or maybe you're going to
20 get less.
21 MR. COURTRIGHT: No, no. We can't have
22 less police. That's a no-no.
23 MS. EVANS: No, I'm not suggesting that
24 that's a good thing, but it seems certainly to be the
25 direction in which the administration is heading,
1 downsizing public service.
2 MR. COURTRIGHT: I will be very, very
3 opposed to that. You'll see me up here yelling. And
4 Mr. Gervasi is motioning to me about the fire
5 department. I, too, am opposed to that, Dave. That's
6 all I have. Thank you.
7 MS. GATELLI: I guess there's no time
8 left. The only thing I wanted to say was, Mrs. Evans,
9 you might not know, but we did have a meeting with the
10 Icebox at 5:45, and Attorney Minora is going to get all
11 of those leases and agreements from before so that
12 we'll know exactly what's what, because it was very
14 MS. EVANS: It is confusing, but I
15 think we kind of know what's what already about --it's
16 called getting something for nothing.
17 MS. GATELLI: Well, I'm not sure about
18 that, because Attorney Minora explained a few things to
19 me that I wasn't aware of, so he'll talk to us next
20 week about that situation. And that's all I have.
22 MS. GARVEY: 5-B - FOR INTRODUCTION - A
23 RESOLUTION - AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND OTHER
24 APPROPRIATE CITY OFFICIALS TO ENTER INTO A
25 REIMBURSEMENT AGREEMENT 048809 WITH THE COMMONWEALTH OF
1 PENNSYLVANIA, DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION TO
2 PARTICIPATE IN THE 2006 K ROUTES PROJECT AND THEREBY
3 BECOME ELIGIBLE FOR AN ESTIMATED $584,000 IN FEDERAL
4 REIMBURSEMENT FOR CONSTRUCTION COSTS.
5 MS. GATELLI: At this time I'll
6 entertain a motion to introduce 5-B.
7 MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.
8 MS. EVANS: Second.
9 MS. GATELLI: On the question? All
10 those in favor.
11 MS. EVANS: Aye.
12 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Aye.
13 MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.
14 MS. GATELLI: Aye. Opposed? The ayes
15 have it and so moved.
16 MS. GARVEY: 5-C, FOR INTRODUCTION - A
17 RESOLUTION - AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND OTHER
18 APPROPRIATE CITY OFFICIALS TO EXECUTE AND ENTER INTO A
19 PROFESSIONAL SERVICES CONTRACT WITH MELLON BANK TO
20 SERVE AS TRUSTEE FOR THE CITY OF SCRANTON PENSION PLANS
21 PER MELLON'S PROPOSAL.
22 MS. GATELLI: At this time I'll
23 entertain a motion that 5-C be introduced.
24 MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.
25 MS. EVANS: Second.
1 MS. GATELLI: On the question? All
2 those in favor.
3 MS. EVANS: Aye.
4 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Aye.
5 MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.
6 MS. GATELLI: Aye. Opposed? The ayes
7 have it and so moved.
8 MS. GARVEY: 5-D, FOR INTRODUCTION - A
9 RESOLUTION - AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND OTHER
10 APPROPRIATE CITY OFFICIALS TO EXECUTE AND ENTER INTO
11 SUPPLEMENTAL ENGINEERING AGREEMENT NUMBER 041912-C WITH
12 TRAFFIC PLANNING AND DESIGN, INC. TO AMEND PART I OF
13 THE AGREEMENT FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDING IN THE AMOUNT OF
14 $52,312.66 TO COVER THE COST OF UPGRADING INTERSECTION
15 PLANS AND TO ADD EMERGENCY PREEMPTION FOR THE CENTRAL
16 BUSINESS DISTRICT SIGNALIZATION IMPROVEMENT PROJECT.
17 MS. GATELLI: At this time I'll
18 entertain a motion that 5-D be introduced.
19 MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.
20 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Second.
21 MS. GATELLI: On the question? All
22 those in favor, aye.
23 MS. EVANS: Aye.
24 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Aye.
25 MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.
1 MS. GATELLI: Aye. Opposed? The ayes
2 have it and so moved.
3 MS. GARVEY: Sixth order. 6-A -
4 READING BY TITLE - FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 36, 2006 -
5 AN ORDINANCE - APPROVING THE TRANSFER OF A RESTAURANT
6 LIQUOR LICENSE IN THE NAME OF LITTLE DICK'S, INC. T/A
7 7TH AVE. WEST, CITY OF CARBONDALE, LICENSE NO.
8 R-17472 PRESENTLY HELD IN SAFE KEEPING BY THE PLCB TO
9 G-FORCE ENTERPRISES, INC. T/A BLUES STREET FOR USE AT
10 222 WYOMING AVENUE, THE RITZ BUILDING, SCRANTON,
11 PENNSYLVANIA, 18503 AS REQUIRED BY THE PENNSYLVANIA
12 LIQUOR CONTROL BOARD.
13 MS. GATELLI: You've heard reading by
14 title of 6-A, what is your pleasure?
15 MR. COURTRIGHT: I move that Item 6-A
16 pass reading by title.
17 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Second.
18 MS. GATELLI: On the question? All
19 those in favor.
20 MS. EVANS: Aye.
21 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Aye.
22 MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.
23 MS. GATELLI: Aye. Opposed? The ayes
24 have it and so moved.
25 MS. GARVEY: 6-B, READING BY TITLE -
1 FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 38, 2006 - AN ORDINANCE - AS
2 AMENDED - SALE OF TAX DELINQUENT PROPERTY AT
3 814 BLUCHER AVE, SCRANTON, PENNSYLVANIA, TO THE IRISH
4 CULTURAL SOCIETY, BOX 3242, SCRANTON, PENNSYLVANIA,
5 18505, FOR THE SUM OF $800.00.
6 MS. GATELLI: You've heard reading by
7 title of Item 6-B, what is your pleasure?
8 MR. COURTRIGHT: I move that Item 6-B
9 pass reading by title.
10 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Second.
11 MS. GATELLI: On the question? All
12 those in favor, aye.
13 MS. EVANS: Aye.
14 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Aye.
15 MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.
16 MS. GATELLI: Aye. Opposed? The ayes
17 have it and so moved.
18 MS. GARVEY: Seventh order. 7-A, FOR
19 CONSIDERATION BY THE COMMITTEE ON RULES - FOR ADOPTION
20 FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 32, 2006 -
21 MS. GATELLI: Mrs. Garvey, before you
22 read this, I'd like to make an amendment to this piece
23 of legislation. I'd like to amend it to read for a
24 period of one year beginning April 15, 2006 and ending
25 April 14, 20009.
1 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Second.
2 MS. GATELLI: On the question?
3 MS. EVANS: This -- one second. And
4 What is the reason for the amendment?
5 MS. GATELLI: The reason for my
6 amendment is so that the school district and Sloan
7 Little League can have a year's time to see if they can
8 work out an agreement. If not, then next year we'll
9 give them ten years or whatever.
10 But I think if we give them a
11 three-year, then it puts the little league to an
12 advantage, and if we give them a year, I think both of
13 them can work together.
14 Kathleen McGuigan has been working with
15 the little league, and she told me that the
16 negotiations have been very fruitful.
17 I don't want to see the kids at West
18 Scranton High School hurt, I don't want to see the
19 Sloan Little League kids hurt.
20 And I think if we give them a year,
21 we're not hurting anybody, you know we're going to give
22 them time to see if they can come up with an agreement.
23 If they can't, they can't. If they're
24 not going to give the little league what they want,
25 then so be it.
1 MS. EVANS: Well, Sloan would like to
2 receive what all of the other little leagues and junior
3 football leagues are receiving.
4 True, they are in negotiations with the
5 school district, but they have indicated that the lease
6 can be broken in the event that an agreement is
7 reached, however, if they receive a lease for only a
8 period of one year, I think that will severely
9 jeopardize the negotiation process.
10 MS. GATELLI: And I feel the opposite.
11 I feel if they get three years, then that will severely
12 hamper it. All the little leagues will get one year.
13 When I was here working for Mayor
14 Connors, no little league had a lease, because if you
15 don't have a lease, you just keep going from year to
16 year. Nobody really bothers the little leagues.
17 And if we give them a year, I don't see
18 any harm in that. They have a lease for a year. And
19 it would include all the little leagues would have a
20 lease for a year.
21 I'm just concerned, because I've dealt
22 with both sides, and I've gotten conflicting stories
23 from both sides. So, I don't really think that either
24 side is really going to get serious, unless they sit
25 down and try to work it out.
1 And Kathleen McGuigan has really been
2 very successful. And I also heard that from the Sloan
3 Little League, that she was the first person that
4 really brought things forward and was sincere with
6 MS. EVANS: Well, it's -- there's much
7 more involved in it now than that, and there are
8 attorneys involved.
9 And I'm only, you know, I am going to
10 state once again that I believe it will seriously
11 jeopardize the availability of those fields to the
12 school district if this vote passes tonight. I believe
13 that Sloan will very possibly withdraw from any
15 MS. GATELLI: Well, so be it. If they
16 do, they do.
17 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: I just want to
18 know why. Why would they withdraw if they've only -- I
19 mean, all they've done is cut their time out. If
20 they're in serious negotiations, and they seem to be
21 going favorably, then what would be the difference of
22 having to do it next year the same thing and coming to
23 us if they did not get where they need to be --
24 MS. EVANS: Well --
25 MS. GATELLI: Because they want to have
1 the upper hand.
2 MS. EVANS: No. Negotiations --
3 MS. GATELLI: They want to have three
4 years and have the upper hand and dictate. That's what
5 they want.
6 MS. EVANS: Well --
7 MS. GATELLI: -- and I don't think it's
8 fair to the rest of the kids in West Scranton. You
9 people don't know, because you don't see them every
11 I have petitions on my desk from 100
12 kids that go to West Scranton High School and their
13 families. And they're taxpayers, too, and I think they
14 have just as much right to use that teener field as the
15 Sloan Little League does.
16 MS. EVANS: And, you know, they
17 certainly do, Mrs. Gatelli, and they always did use it
18 until Mr. Sheridan was told --
19 MS. GATELLI: Well, I can't --
20 MS. EVANS: -- Mr. Sheridan --
21 MS. GATELLI: Well, I can't account for
22 Mr. Sheridan.
23 MS. EVANS: -- that Mr. Sheridan could
24 not take over those fields and purchase them, he made
25 the decision to pull West Scranton off that field.
1 MS. GATELLI: Well, that's the story
2 you heard, but that's not the story I heard.
3 MS. EVANS: No, I was there. That's
4 the story I know to be true. I was an elected official
5 at the time.
6 MS. GATELLI: Well, I wasn't, but I
7 deal with the children every day, and I don't see where
8 a one-year lease is going to hurt anybody. They have a
9 lease for a year. Next year we'll give them another
10 lease. Anyone else on the question? All in favor.
11 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Aye.
12 MS. GATELLI: Aye. Opposed?
13 MS. EVANS: No.
14 MR. COURTRIGHT: No.
15 MS. GATELLI: Then it dies, 2-2. Do
16 you want to -- do you have to read the other one now,
17 Attorney Minora?
18 MS. GARVEY: 7-A, FOR CONSIDERATION BY
19 THE COMMITTEE ON RULES - FOR ADOPTION - FILE OF COUNCIL
20 NO. 32, 2006 - AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND OTHER
21 APPROPRIATE OFFICIALS OF THE CITY OF SCRANTON TO ENTER
22 INTO LEASE AGREEMENTS WITH VARIOUS LITTLE LEAGUE,
23 TEENER LEAGUE, MISS-E LEAGUE, AND JUNIOR FOOTBALL
24 LEAGUE ASSOCIATIONS FOR USE OF CITY-OWNED PROPERTY IN
25 CONNECTION WITH APPROVED LITTLE LEAGUE, TEENER LEAGUE,
1 MISS-E LEAGUE, AND JUNIOR FOOTBALL LEAGUE ACTIVITIES
2 FOR A THREE-YEAR PERIOD BEGINNING APRIL 15, 2006 AND
3 ENDING APRIL 14, 2009.
4 MS. GATELLI: As chairperson for the
5 committee on rules, I do not recommend final passage of
7 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Second.
8 MS. GATELLI: On the question?
9 MS. EVANS: Yes. I might suggest that
10 there could be a conflict of interest involved in this
11 vote, in that, you know, as was stated earlier tonight,
12 although he's absent this evening, one of our Council
13 members is a member of the administration of the
14 Scranton School District, and, Mrs. Gatelli, you are an
15 employee, as am I of the Scranton School District, but
16 you are --
17 MS. GATELLI: Well, then the three of
18 us should abstain.
19 MS. EVANS: Well, you are employed in
20 the school that is directly involved in this
22 MS. GATELLI: Mrs. Evans, did you
23 receive any campaign contributions from the Sloan
24 Little League?
25 MS. EVANS: No, not that I know of.
1 MS. GATELLI: Well, I think you better
2 look at your report.
3 MS. EVANS: I will.
4 MS. GATELLI: Because I think if you
5 received a contribution, then you should abstain.
6 MS. EVANS: Then I would be happy to,
7 as well.
8 MS. GATELLI: I can't believe that
9 people can't cooperate for children. We're talking
10 about all children, and people cannot cooperate. I
11 can't understand it.
12 MS. EVANS: And I absolutely agree with
13 you. I can't understand when we're serving the same
14 children, who are five and six years old now and become
15 14 through 18 and go through a high school system, how
16 we want to take something for one group and say now you
17 can't have it anymore, when, in fact, everyone --
18 MS. GATELLI: No, that's not going to
20 MS. EVANS: -- everyone --
21 MS. GATELLI: That's not going to
23 MS. EVANS: -- everyone --
24 MS. GATELLI: That's not --
25 MS. EVANS: -- everyone was --
1 MS. GATELLI: That's not going to
2 happen, Mrs. Evans.
3 MS. EVANS: Excuse me, Mrs. Gatelli.
4 MS. GATELLI: That's not going to
5 happen, Mrs. Evans. Stop portraying it in that manner.
6 MS. EVANS: Mrs. Gatelli, please don't
7 interrupt. That's quite rude.
8 MS. GATELLI: You're the one that
9 interrupts all the time.
10 MS. EVANS: No. I was speaking --
11 MS. GATELLI: Yes, you do.
12 MS. EVANS: -- and you interrupted,
13 which you continue to do. However --
14 MS. GATELLI: I'm going to continue to,
15 because you're not telling the truth.
16 MS. EVANS: Yes, I am telling the
18 MS. GATELLI: No, you're not.
19 MS. EVANS: And the situation remains
21 MS. GATELLI: One year lease would
23 MS. EVANS: The schools -- West
24 Scranton High School and the children used those fields
25 together peacefully for many years, until West Scranton
1 High School wanted to take it over. I see no reason
2 why they both can't continue to use those fields
3 jointly and peacefully as they always did.
4 MS. GATELLI: And that's what we're
5 hoping for, that they'll use them peacefully.
6 MR. COURTRIGHT: Ray, be quiet. You
7 can't talk from out there.
8 MS. GATELLI: Sides have their opinion.
9 So, I say if we give them a year to try to work it out,
10 and then if they can't work it out, then we'll go from
12 MS. EVANS: That's already been voted
14 MS. GATELLI: I would be willing to sit
15 on a committee. I would be willing to sit there and
16 help them. Anybody else on the question?
17 MR. COURTRIGHT: Could somebody explain
18 to me what a yes vote and no vote would be now?
19 MR. MINORA: It would be similar --
20 MS. GATELLI: How can I recommend it
21 and then vote it down?
22 MR. MINORA: I believe that -- as Kay
23 and I were talking about it, this has happened before,
24 so that -- because you didn't recommend it, you
25 probably should vote the opposite way of what your gut
1 would tell you normally in order to be correct.
2 So, that a yes vote would be a yes vote
3 in support of your non-recommendation; do you
4 understand what I'm saying? And a no vote would be a
5 no vote in the negative towards your
6 non-recommendation. Do you understand?
7 MR. COURTRIGHT: So, Mrs. Gatelli needs
8 to vote yes to get it the way she would like it.
9 MR. MINORA: Exactly. If you're voting
10 for Mrs. Gatelli's motion, it would be a yes vote for
11 her recommendation.
12 MS. GATELLI: Anyone else on the
14 MS. CLERK: Do you know what you're
15 doing with roll call, what the votes are going to mean?
17 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Evans.
18 MS. EVANS: No.
19 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Fanucci.
20 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Yes.
21 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. McTiernan.
22 Mr. Courtright.
23 MR. COURTRIGHT: No.
24 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Gatelli.
25 MS. GATELLI: Yes.
1 MS. EVANS: Well, then I think what has
2 occurred then is in effect, Attorney Minora, that no
3 little league or football junior football league will
4 receive a lease; is that correct?
5 MS. GATELLI: They will not receive a
6 three-year lease.
7 MR. MINORA: That's correct.
8 MS. EVANS: Well, they're not -- right.
9 But at this point that means they have no lease because
10 their leases have expired.
11 MR. MINORA: That is correct.
12 MS. GARVEY: 7-B, FOR CONSIDERATION BY
13 THE COMMITTEE ON COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT - FOR ADOPTION -
14 RESOLUTION NO 56, 2006 - AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND
15 OTHER APPROPRIATE CITY OFFICIALS FOR THE CITY OF
16 SCRANTON TO ENTER INTO A LOAN AGREEMENT AND MAKE A LOAN
17 FROM THE GROW SCRANTON REVOLVING LOAN PROGRAM, PROJECT
18 NO. 06-234 IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $25,000.00 TO
19 BRIDGET M. FOLEY D/B/A SALON BRIGINE, TO ASSIST AN
20 ELIGIBLE PROJECT.
21 MS. GATELLI: What's the recommendation
22 of the chairperson on community development?
23 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: As the chairperson
24 for the committee on community development, I recommend
25 final passage of Item 7-B.
1 MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.
2 MS. GATELLI: On the question? Roll
4 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Evans.
5 MS. EVANS: Yes.
6 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Fanucci.
7 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Yes.
8 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. McTiernan.
9 Mr. Courtright.
10 MR. COURTRIGHT: Yes.
11 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Gatelli.
12 MS. GATELLI: Yes. I hereby declare
13 Item 7-B legally and lawfully adopted. Do I have a
14 motion to adjourn?
15 MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.
16 MS. GATELLI: Second. All in favor?
19 (MEETING WAS ADJOURNED.)
25 C E R T I F I C A T E
2 I hereby certify that the proceedings and
3 evidence are contained fully and accurately in the
4 notes taken by me on the hearing of the above cause and
5 that this copy is a correct transcript of the same
6 to the best of my ability.
LISA M. GRAFF, RMR
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