8 Thursday, May 18, 2006



11 Council Chambers

12 Scranton City Hall

13 340 North Washington Avenue

14 Scranton, Pennsylvania

































1 MS. GATELLI: Please stand for the

2 Pledge of Allegiance.

3 (Pledge of Allegiance recited.)

4 MS. GATELLI: Please remain standing

5 for a moment of reflection for our service

6 men and women who are fighting for our

7 freedom and also for the sick and the

8 suffering.)

9 (Moment of silence observed.)

10 MS. GATELLI: Thank you. Roll call?

11 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Evans?

12 MS. EVANS: Here.

13 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Fanucci?

14 MS. FANUCCI: Here.

15 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. McTiernan?


17 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. Courtright?


19 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Gatelli?

20 MS. GATELLI: Here. Dispense with

21 the reading of the minutes.

22 MS. GARVEY: Third order, 3-A,



25 MS. GATELLI: Are there any comments?


1 If not, received and filed.



4 MS. GATELLI: Are there any comments?

5 If not, received and filed.



8 ON WEDNESDAY, MAY 17, 2006.

9 MS. GATELLI: Are there any comments?

10 I'd like to make a comment. That's for the

11 meeting that was last night and the meeting

12 was not held because there was not a quorum

13 and there are seven people on the planning

14 commission, but if you watch it frequently

15 many times several of them are absent, more

16 often than not there are several absent all

17 the time. I think that it would behoove us

18 to send a letter to the mayor to put

19 alternates as we have on the zoning board so

20 that when there is someone absent an

21 alternate can be called to fill in for that

22 position. There were approximately eight to

23 ten cases last night with developers and

24 neighbors and they all had to go home

25 because the people didn't show up and they


1 didn't notify Angela so she didn't even know

2 that they weren't coming. So if we can do

3 that maybe, Kay, send the mayor a letter if

4 they could put some alternates on. That's

5 the only comment. Anyone else? If not,

6 received and filed.



9 APRIL 26, 2006.

10 MS. GATELLI: Are there any comments?

11 If not, received and filed.

12 MS. GARVEY: I have no clerk's notes

13 this week.

14 MS. GATELLI: I have just a few

15 items. First of all, I'd like to welcome

16 back Mrs. Fanucci, she had some medical

17 problems and we are glad to see that she is

18 all right and back with us. Saturday there

19 is a Veteran's parade in downtown Scranton,

20 I hope everyone is able to attend. It's at

21 11:00. Last week I met with Ann Marie

22 Stulgis and Lisa Moran regarding the

23 veterans' pay and we are still awaiting some

24 further information and I will keep you

25 posted on the conclusion of the decision in


1 that case. I also met with Mr. Rinaldi

2 concerning the project in the 500 block of

3 Lackawanna Avenue. The application for the

4 state has been completed and we should be

5 able to have him in the next several weeks

6 come and address council in a caucus

7 concerning the project, but it is still on

8 the board as previously planned and they're

9 continuing ahead with the project.

10 The illegal business in the Albright

11 Avenue section on Kossuth Avenue that's been

12 resolved, Magistrate Gallagher voted against

13 the business, it has to move from the

14 property. The only report I have from

15 Tripps Park is 1509 Euclid Avenue the

16 sidewalks were repaired. I have not

17 received any other notice that any of the

18 other punch list items have been resolved.

19 The bus schedules have been prepared for

20 Mr. Rohas who was here at the last meeting.

21 We have a request to pave Rolland Avenue,

22 I'm not sure if we have that on or paving

23 list, Mrs. Garvey, if you could please add

24 that to our current list.

25 I wanted to apologize to the police


1 officers and the police chief that I was not

2 able to attend the opening of the police

3 headquarters. I was not able to get out of

4 work and that is the reason I missed so I

5 hope that they weren't offended and if they

6 were I apologize, I could not make it, and I

7 know some of them were asking why I was not

8 present.

9 The 2900 Of Cedar Avenue has been

10 cleaned up. An inlet at South Main and

11 Eynon.

12 I have got a report that one of our

13 junior council members, Katrina, has been

14 selected to go to Colorado this summer to

15 work with the needy and the poor people so I

16 wanted to congratulate her and tell her we

17 are all very proud of her.

18 There is potholes on the 1100 of

19 Watson and Smith Place. That has been put

20 on the paving list, but they would like the

21 potholes repaired on those streets. There

22 is a request for a stop sign at Amelia and

23 Depot. They have stop signs on Amelia but

24 they want them on Depot, too, because is a

25 lot of truck traffic on that particular


1 street. The stop sign at Merrifield and

2 Price Street has been denied. The

3 streetlight in the 300 of Phelps Street has

4 been approved. A streetlight in the 1100

5 block of Locust Street has been approved and

6 there are numerous potholes and I'm not

7 going to bore you with them all but they are

8 here if anyone would care to see them.

9 There is too many to read.

10 And I just have one more item to

11 read from Katherine Simmons who couldn't be

12 here tonight. "I'm sorry that I cannot

13 deliver these words myself this evening, but

14 I am in Wilkes-Barre honoring one of

15 Scranton police officers, Lieutenant Leonard

16 Newmecca for his excellence community

17 service this past year then I must hurry

18 back to Brennan Hall on the campus of the

19 University of Scranton to attend a town

20 meeting on crime. I bring all of this up at

21 this time to say that the summer season is

22 fast upon us and the brothers and sisters

23 who will be watching over our homes, streets

24 and businesses need better equipment,

25 automobiles, computers and etcetera. I know


1 you are aware and speaking with the Scranton

2 Police Department. We need to support these

3 men and woman as best we can for we are

4 asking them to serve us with their very

5 lives. It is so important that the best

6 equipment be setup and placed for when a

7 crime of such severity as murder, arson and

8 anything involving a child occurs our people

9 need to have the ability to investigate

10 thoroughly. Families need to know they are

11 supported by their community and the victim

12 needs to know that all is being done to

13 assure it will never happen again. You as

14 council members have the talent and ability

15 to go to Mayor Doherty and ask that

16 financial support be given to the Scranton

17 Police Department and the Scranton Fire

18 Department. All modern and progressive

19 equipment be purchased and our streets

20 become as heaven's golden road. I pray that

21 all will be supportive of Scranton's finest

22 and thank them every now and then for the

23 bravery, courage and fortitude. Reverend

24 Katherine Simmons."

25 I am very disappointed that this


1 council cannot go to that crime meeting

2 tonight. We all would love to be there as

3 we are all very concerned about the crime in

4 the city and it is unfortunate that they are

5 having it on a night that we can't be there.

6 Does anyone else have anything?

7 MR. COURTRIGHT: Yes, Mrs. Gatelli, I

8 normally wait until motions, but I was

9 supposed to read this last week and we

10 weren't here. May 20, which is this

11 weekend, from four to seven, in the downtown

12 senior center they are having a spaghetti

13 dinner and they wanted to hopefully that you

14 would call in advance for the tickets, they

15 are $7 for adults and $3.50 for children.

16 It's at 305 Penn Avenue and the number is

17 347-3970, 347-3970 so if you could support

18 them it goes for a good cause, their heating

19 bills and things of that nature. And there

20 was just one other item a very good friend

21 of mine is sick and not doing very well,

22 Mr. Bob Davies, so if we all remember Bob in

23 our prayers I would appreciate it. Thank

24 you.

25 MS. GATELLI: Thank you. Anyone


1 else?

2 MS. EVANS: Yes. On Saturday, May 20

3 from 12 to a 5 a spaghetti dinner will be

4 conducted at the Marine Corp League,

5 northeast detachment police mounty, bring

6 the family for a real Italian treat and on

7 Sunday, May 28, Lackawanna county SAAD Task

8 Force presents the battle of the bands from

9 3:00 to 9:00 p.m. at the Plainfield Sports

10 Dome in Jessup, Pa. And, lastly, I would

11 like to congratulate a little friend of mine

12 who is Jasmine Naylor, and she is a first

13 grader and she won the reading competition

14 at her school this week, so, Jasmine, way to

15 go.

16 MS. FANUCCI: I want to thank

17 everybody for all of the phone calls and

18 cards and everything I am doing great and I

19 just want to say it's really good to be

20 back. I want to answer some questions I

21 heard while watching all of you while I was

22 home. OECD that it was looking for they are

23 two open audits going on right at this

24 moment, and until they are finished we are

25 will get not the complete report, but they


1 are in open audit right now, so as soon as

2 that's done we are going to get the full

3 report. Mr. Palmeton that should be done

4 probably rapping up within the next month.

5 Also, I want to talk to you about

6 this Southern Union building which I know is

7 a question while I was gone, Southern Union

8 has called me, they are in the process right

9 now of trying to locate two tenants that

10 they really think that they are secured,

11 they will not respond on who these tenants

12 are, but they believe there is a good reason

13 that they can't do it until they secure the

14 loan and whatever else they have to do, they

15 just want to say that they are in touch with

16 me and they will call me as soon as this

17 comes to fruition, hopefully, I'm hoping

18 within the next two weeks we will know. The

19 last time I spoke to the gentleman he was

20 gone on business, so hopefully they have

21 wrapped that up and maybe we can get some

22 tenants in there shortly and that's all I

23 have right now.

24 MS. GATELLI: Anyone else?

25 Mr. McTiernan, you are the only one you have


1 to say something? How was the prom last

2 night?

3 MR. MCTIERNAN: The prom was a good

4 time, Scranton High didn't let us down as

5 usual.

6 MS. GATELLI: It's always a good

7 thing when no one gets hurt.

8 MR. MCTIERNAN: Absolutely.


10 MS. GARVEY: Fourth order, citizens

11 participation.

12 MS. GATELLI: Andy Sbargalia.

13 MR. SBARAGLIA: Andy Sbaraglia,

14 citizen of Scranton, fellow Scrantonian.

15 I'm going to read from an article I took out

16 of the Times/Tribune, "City of Dunmore

17 hoping to solve a $6.6 million fee," and in

18 it it says, "Scranton is on the hook for

19 $5,515,073 Dunmore for $1,113,134," and then

20 there is a little quote from Mayor Doherty.

21 If Scranton and Dunmore's fall through on

22 the leasing line taxpayers can expect a rate

23 increase. Money always has to come from

24 somebody Mr. Doherty says."

25 So here we are with the flip flop


1 artist again. First of all, there was no

2 reason for us actually when the arbitration

3 went through that was the time we should

4 have formed up to get the money, we should

5 have borrowed it then. This deal is just

6 back to our raising the taxes so he doesn't

7 have to say he borrowed more money. This

8 came through before, maybe two years ago.

9 Well, you probably do remember when they

10 tried to do the same thing again. A little

11 thing about the sewer company, okay? All of

12 the lines in the city run to the sewer

13 whether it's water or sewage, they all run

14 to the sewage treatment plant so, hence, he

15 wants to borrow all of this money from them

16 like as if they are a bank and if you notice

17 he went through them before for the DPW site

18 where he sold it to them for three times.

19 To me, I don't know of anybody that can get

20 away with that but this mayor, how many

21 times? This sewer authority is becoming the

22 piggy bank for this mayor's inaccuracies is

23 the best way to put it. He is definitely

24 not fiscally responsible. All these fiscal

25 things he has done a first year law student


1 could have told them that it had no chance

2 overturning that agreement with American

3 Water. It was very specific, either you

4 went with the whole thing or you had to pay

5 a penalty. Maybe if he went to the

6 arbitrator I would see it, but that was the

7 lineup, the penalty, but when you go further

8 than that you cost the city money, $200,000

9 in interest plus lawyer's fees. So we have

10 to ask was this man trying to save his money

11 or give more money to the lawyers because

12 that is exactly what he did.

13 So I think, it didn't come before

14 you yet in any kind of legislation, but it's

15 going to come because there is no way in

16 heck he can come up with that money other

17 than taking it out of the treasury. What he

18 should have done was either borrow it and be

19 done with it when that came through.

20 Okay, then we have a little on this

21 KOZ, there was a nice article on it, I think

22 it was with -- let's see who this people

23 are, it has to do with I believe the guy --

24 what the heck was the name? Well, anyway,

25 they were down there in the incubator and we


1 gave them a loan last time we were here for

2 them to move out of the incubator saying

3 they were on the tax rolls, I don't know, is

4 it Precision, something to do with that.

5 Well, anyway, the main thing was now they

6 are coming from the incubator and they want

7 to move into a KOZ so why are we giving them

8 loans to go from an incubator to a KOZ, and

9 I don't think we can force them if they

10 don't want to pay, there is no way in heck

11 you can force them once they are a KOZ, you

12 can ask your lawyer if there is anyway you

13 can force somebody in a KOZ to pay taxes

14 like mercantile and so forth unless they

15 want to and there is no way in heck you are

16 going to force these people, so this is

17 another cloak and dagger mystery and these

18 things are happening all over of the city.

19 MS. GATELLI: Mr. Sbaraglia, I'll

20 verify that, the mayor had told me that they

21 were going to pay taxes, they were not going

22 to be a KOZ.

23 MR. SBARAGLIA: When they move into

24 the KOZ ask your lawyer if they can force

25 them unless they want to. There is no way


1 you can force somebody to pay taxes if they

2 have been exempt from them, you know that

3 and I know that, so I have to see if

4 they're-- look at the -- all of these

5 nonprofits, are you able to force them to

6 pay money? This is going to be no

7 different.

8 Okay, let's go to 7-G, I'm sorry, I

9 didn't read on this, but it calls for

10 guarantee energy saving project for city

11 offices, is this the new machine system?

12 This is the whole works, right? It's not

13 just for, you know, a few --

14 MR. COURTRIGHT: No, before they came

15 for just the controls this time it's the

16 whole thing.

17 MR. SBARAGLIA: The whole works

18 because I attended the control one. Okay.

19 Thank you.

20 MS. GATELLI: Before we go to the

21 next speaker, mea culpa, I forgot about the

22 junior council, how could I ever do such a

23 thing? Does the junior council have

24 anything to address council?

25 MR. MILLER: Good evening, Council,


1 Doug Miller. I would like to take this time

2 tonight to thank all of those who made the

3 junior city council planting and clean-up

4 project a huge success and thank the

5 businesses for their very appreciated

6 donations and you see here we have a sign

7 that was donated to us by Jaworski sign

8 company with a list of all of the businesses

9 that made a donation, so I'd like to read

10 that off. Scooters Hawt Dog Hut, Angenello

11 Pizza, Brunetti's pizza, CVS Pharmacy,

12 Jaworski sign company, Lowe's, Mulberry

13 Bush, Pioneer Distributor, Garden Path,

14 Burke's Pharmacy, Curiosity Shop, Family

15 Hair Salon, Germaine Dentistry, Giant Food

16 Market, Joyce, Jackman and Bell Insurance,

17 Kane, MGM Salon, Sunoco gas station and Tim

18 Wagner Sporting Goods.

19 I'd also like to thank West Scranton

20 High School and the Scranton High School for

21 donating those great looking benches. We

22 really appreciate it. Thank you again. I'd

23 also like to thank my fellow council

24 members, you all worked hard that day and

25 did a tremendous job.


1 Finally, I'd like to thank Mayor

2 Doherty, Mr. and Mrs. Gatelli,

3 Mr. Scopelliti, Mrs. Nancy Kay Holmes, Mr.

4 Tony Plishka, Mr. and Mrs. Pentak, Keystone

5 Community Resources and the Parks and

6 Recreation staff, Bill Ritter and Mike

7 Rinchak. Thank you very much for your

8 support.

9 Finally, tonight I would like to

10 take the time to let Mrs. Evans and

11 Mr. Courtright know that I commend both of

12 you for running great campaigns. You may

13 not have gotten the results that you wanted,

14 but you have nothing to be ashamed of, so I

15 congratulate both of you. And I'd also like

16 to congratulate Mr. Ken Smith for his

17 victory over Mr. Fred Belardi and I wish him

18 the best of luck. Thank you. And if any

19 other members would like to address council

20 please do so at this time.

21 MS. ORGAN: Good evening, council.

22 Doug gave you some names from the planting

23 project, I'd like to give you some numbers.

24 We had over 30 volunteers. We planted three

25 beautiful gardens and it took us a little


1 over four hours. We had three benches

2 donated from the Scranton High School and

3 West Scranton, we had 15 hot dogs donated by

4 Scooters and 12 trays of pizza donated by

5 various restaurants. Also, when I was

6 started to work last Saturday, which was the

7 13th, there was a large group of people near

8 Robinson park on East Mountain and I stopped

9 to ask them who they were and what they were

10 doing and they said that they were just a

11 bunch of neighbors and they decided to clean

12 up the area. They were raking, cleaning,

13 picking up garbage so I just wanted to put

14 the spotlight on them because they came out

15 and did that.

16 In Bishop Hannon news we had one

17 girl, Katie Golden, she came in second place

18 for the girls track and field javelin and it

19 was actually pretty historical because this

20 is the first time we have had a track and

21 field team, we combined with Bishop O'Hara.

22 Also, boy's tennis and baseball went to

23 district this week. Thank you.

24 MS. GATELLI: Thank you. Anyone

25 else? Bill Jacowicz.


1 MR. JACOWICZ: Bill Jacowicz, city

2 resident and taypayer. First of all, I'd

3 like to welcome Mrs. Fanucci back, I hope

4 she is feeling better. Second of all, we

5 just had that private caucus on Howe Avenue,

6 I hope something is going to done, it should

7 have been done last year, we all know that,

8 for some reason it wasn't. We need to check

9 into this because, like I said in private,

10 and I'll say in a public there is a

11 possibility that a crime had been committed

12 and we need to find out if one has been

13 committed and if it hasn't, fine, if it has

14 then it actually should be taken to the

15 people that authorized that, it should have

16 been done a long time ago.

17 Three weeks ago or four weeks, Mrs.

18 Fanucci, when you are doing 5-A motions you

19 were giving an answer to a question and I

20 can't even remember what it was because it's

21 been so long, but I'm hoping that you can

22 remember so you can revisit that subject

23 again because even in your own words you

24 said you gave a shabby answer and we -- I

25 did not understand what you were talking


1 about and it possibly could have been

2 something important.

3 MS. FANUCCI: I really can't

4 recollect exactly what we were talking about

5 at the and I said I gave a shabby answer?

6 MR. JACOWICZ: Yes, you did.

7 MS. FANUCCI: Good for me for like

8 stepping up.

9 MR. JACOWICZ: Like I said, I didn't

10 understand what you said.

11 MS. FANUCCI: I really believe that

12 when we were discussing information that I

13 had received, is that what we were referring

14 to?

15 MR. JACOWICZ: Yeah, when you were

16 talking about --

17 MS. FANUCCI: Information that I had

18 received that I felt was not accurate at the

19 time? And I believe that's why I said I

20 felt like it was a shabby answer because

21 after at the end of the meeting we had sort

22 of done a direct spin and got someone else,

23 but I believe it was felt that the

24 information I had received was not accurate.

25 MR. JACOWICZ: It was just hard to


1 understand so I just --

2 MS. FANUCCI: You can check with me,

3 a lot of times I'm, you know, thinking

4 exactly what I'm saying and not saying

5 exactly what I'm thinking so --

6 MR. JACOWICZ: Okay, thank you. And,

7 Mr. McTiernan, did you find out anything

8 about that veteran's money, that 150 by any

9 chance?

10 MR. MCTIERNAN: No, I have not.

11 MS. GATELLI: I did. It's used to

12 decorate cemeteries to various legions for

13 cemetery decorations.

14 MR. JACOWICZ: Okay, thanks and

15 basically that's all I have tonight.

16 Thanks.

17 MS. GATELLI: Thank you. You didn't

18 have a lot for two weeks, Bill, what's going

19 on?

20 MR. JACOWICZ: Really the only reason

21 I'm here is I was on the way to work and my

22 alternator went so my care is in the

23 driveway otherwise I wouldn't be here.

24 MS. GATELLI: Maybe you can make it

25 to the crime meeting and give us a report.


1 MR. NARSAVAGE: Stan Narsavage,

2 Scranton resident. I, too, am going to go

3 about four weeks, glad to see you back, Mrs.

4 Fanucci, I'm glad everything is okay. The

5 information that you gave, what I

6 specifically asked for was the audit from

7 June 20, 2005. I don't think that had

8 anything to do with the ones they are

9 working on now.

10 MS. FANUCCI: Then I will get you

11 that one if that's exactly -- I thought you

12 wanted the most recent audit, so that was

13 mistake.

14 MR. NARSAVAGE: I have the notes

15 here.

16 MS. FANUCCI: Okay, June?

17 MR. NARSAVAGE: June 2005.

18 MS. FANUCCI: I will have that for

19 you next week.

20 MR. NARSAVAGE: Before you went out

21 on your sick leave we also spoke about

22 Austin Burke possibly coming and giving us

23 some information about industry or where we

24 are going in this town?

25 MS. FANUCCI: Right. Right, and I


1 did speak to Austin and he has agreed to

2 come in. I know that our caucus schedule

3 has been a little crazy so that is what we

4 are trying to get, we are trying to get that

5 in and we have had problems. We have more

6 caucuses then I think we have meetings, so

7 that is our scheduling and his scheduling,

8 but that is definitely something that's

9 going to happen.

10 MR. NARSAVAGE: You can get that on

11 the agenda?

12 MS. FANUCCI: Yes, I will. Mr.

13 Narsavage, can I answer one more question

14 that you asked? About the audit, a lot of

15 the problem with an individual audit, they

16 are included in the city. They are not --

17 their audit is not separate from the city's

18 audit, it is almost one line for every

19 answer, so I'm having trouble finding a

20 breakdown, so I do want to -- every audit is

21 in the city budget, so if I can do that I

22 certainly will.

23 MR. NARSAVAGE: I'd appreciate that.

24 MS. FANUCCI: Sure.

25 MR. NARSAVAGE: I'd like to thank


1 Mrs. Gatelli for meeting with me this

2 afternoon, unfortunately, it rained and the

3 people didn't get there so I'm hoping we

4 will see them there tomorrow, possibly? It

5 will be on my rounds tomorrow. You might

6 hear from me again. Mr. Courtright, I'd

7 like to run this by you, do you think there

8 is a possibility, now, I'm talking about the

9 playground on Dorothy Street and I know we

10 can't get a police officer because we are in

11 an affluent neighborhood, quote/unquote, is

12 it possible that you think that between the

13 hours of 12 midnight and 3:00 or 4:00 in the

14 morning that a patrol car could go by that

15 playground and just drive around, shine the

16 spotlight and see there is any activity

17 because that's when these things are

18 happening.

19 MR. COURTRIGHT: You know, it's been

20 done, I have actually been in the car and

21 done it with them. They go in and they

22 light it up, we don't want to spook the

23 neighbors, but they light it up, they drive

24 up in the back behind the community center

25 and light that up when they are not busy. I


1 think a lot of problems on Friday and

2 Saturday night, too, they are really busy on

3 Friday or Saturday night, but I have asked

4 them and I repeatedly asked them. I knew we

5 weren't going to get a "B" person there, I

6 hoped that we would, but I knew we weren't,

7 so I asked them and they said every

8 opportunity that they have they will do

9 that. I'll ask them to light it up if the

10 neighbors don't get mad because they light

11 it up and shine it on them.

12 MR. NARSAVAGE: Well, my contention

13 is if it's done a couple of times maybe the

14 people who are doing this won't know when to

15 expect a car to come around and do it.

16 MR. COURTRIGHT: Yeah, Lieutenant

17 Mackey is trying to do it on a regular

18 basis. He is in charge of that shift.

19 MS. NARSAVAGE: Well, Mrs. Gatelli

20 can attest to what we saw up there today so

21 it's an ongoing thing and -- -

22 MR. COURTRIGHT: As soon as they fix

23 it they do it again.

24 MR. NARSAVAGE: Exactly. Exactly.

25 MR. COURTRIGHT: In all honesty I'm


1 hoping if and when we get those cameras that

2 we can position one there.

3 MR. NARSAVAGE: I hope so, too, that

4 will probably help.

5 MR. COURTRIGHT: If we arrest one

6 person maybe that will be a deterrent.

7 MR. NARSAVAGE: That's what I'm

8 thinking, too.

9 MR. COURTRIGHT: But I'll ask them

10 again. I know Lieutenant Mackey has been

11 doing it.

12 MR. NARSAVAGE: School isn't out and

13 it isn't really warm yet, but when school

14 gets out idle time it's going to get worse.

15 MS. GATELLI: And there are lights on

16 the playground, those three spotlights.

17 MR. NARSAVAGE: Two lights in the

18 back. They are on all night.

19 MS. GATELLI: They are on all night,

20 but it doesn't seem to prevent them from

21 being there.

22 MR. NARSAVAGE: Thank you.

23 MS. GATELLI: You know what, Mrs.

24 Narsavage, another idea maybe is what we

25 have done in our neighborhood on several


1 occasions, maybe drop a flyer and put it in

2 those neighbors that live there saying, you

3 know, there is a graffiti at the playground,

4 if there is a problem and you see kids out

5 there late at night please call the police.

6 You know, it might encourage the neighbors

7 to get a little more active there.

8 MR. NARSAVAGE: If you get the fires

9 out without disturbing them I know most of

10 the people around there, but what I figure

11 also, are those homes that are on the court

12 there they are going to be the next to get

13 spray painted.

14 MS. GATELLI: Well, that's why they

15 need to notify the police when there is

16 teenagers there at night. They don't belong

17 there.

18 MR. NARSAVAGE: Okay. Thank you.

19 MS. GATELLI: Mr. Bolus.

20 MR. BOLUS: Good evening, council.

21 Bob Bolus, Scranton. I'd like to commend

22 both Janet and Bill for a great job you did

23 in representing Scranton. All of the

24 candidates that did run other than you two

25 never came here before this council or the


1 people in the city to tell us really what

2 was on their minds and you two with a

3 campaign going on never once wavered and you

4 should be applauded for what you did

5 representing us.

6 The kids here, this junior council,

7 is to be commended. No other -- Mr.

8 Courtright or Mrs. Evans knew it, but some

9 of the kids are wearing both your pins and

10 handing out your flyers equally and I think

11 they should be applauded for doing that and

12 the respect they gave to this council. I

13 know you probably weren't aware of it but

14 they were so they were ought their doing

15 their job.

16 It's interesting enough that, you

17 know, I have been away, I have missed a

18 couple of the meetings, but I saw what these

19 kids have been doing and I think we should

20 all take it personal to the attacks they are

21 getting from adults here chastising these

22 kids for the jobs they are doing. They went

23 up and did this planting. People were there

24 from council, other adults were there but I

25 can't remember too many of them that I have


1 seen here up there helping these kids. I

2 was there, I came in from Indiana, I got in

3 at 10:30 in the morning and I showed up

4 there and I was proud to serve the kids and

5 the volunteers there hotdogs. Did I have to

6 do it? Absolutely not. Do I live in

7 Greenridge? No way, I'm on East Mountain,

8 but it was out of respect to these kids to

9 show them what we think of what they are

10 doing and those that come here and criticize

11 them because they challenged a kid who

12 hasn't shown up here on this council and has

13 missed over ten meetings and make a comment

14 that he is not going to plant -- he didn't

15 join this council to plant flowers, well, at

16 least show up for the meetings, but don't

17 sit here and have adults take the sides of a

18 child who doesn't show and teach him the

19 wrong way that you get credit to do a job

20 but don't come here. These aren't

21 politicians. These are young kids who are

22 going somewhere and we lead by example and

23 the example some of the adults have shown

24 are not the examples that I think should be

25 applauded, in fact, they should be ashamed


1 to even come up here and tell some of these

2 kids you should be fired or you should quit

3 because you missed the meeting. Then they

4 should be fired if they miss a days work,

5 too, and we could go on and on and on, so

6 respect the kids, give them the cooperation

7 they need and show them the leadership and

8 the guidance and I think you are going to

9 have a bunch of better kids than more adults

10 and I'm getting tired of hearing it and,

11 Mrs. Gatelli, I think if it comes up

12 anymore, anybody that comes in here

13 chastising these kids should be put out of

14 order because I don't think they have the

15 right to because they weren't there doing

16 what they kids did.

17 And I'm going to take your --

18 something that Doug didn't bring up because

19 he is not a self-serving kid, but a Mrs.

20 Diane Manchak asked Doug a question about

21 getting a picnic table and an American flag

22 at Fellow's Park. Doug took it on his own,

23 he contacted the Home Depot and he was able

24 to get a picnic table and a flag for

25 Fellow's park donated free. This is a kid


1 who didn't have to do it, but he went out

2 and did it and these other kids are doing

3 the same thing here. Doug didn't bring it

4 up, but I will because he is to be commended

5 for what they are doing.

6 The teachers asks Doherty, he

7 couldn't help, that's Parks and Recreations,

8 they couldn't help it, but a 16-year-old kid

9 got it done. It just shows what the kids

10 could do or anybody else could if you want

11 to do it.

12 And I'll get onto a little business

13 here. The KOZ's, we got to get a fee, we've

14 got to challenge this recovery plan, we've

15 got to stop the appeal of the arbitration

16 awards because it's inevitable, it's just

17 going to cost a lot more money because the

18 mayor just did something wrong and now we

19 are going to pay for that mistake, so it's

20 going to come to a halt.

21 This deal about a guy leasing by

22 Brikk's renting it, he is not renting it, he

23 is going into a KOZ, he is not going to pay

24 taxes, I don't know if legally, and that

25 would be up for the solicitor, can you


1 actually go to a KOZ and say, "I'm not going

2 to pay taxes--" or "I'm going to pay taxes,"

3 I don't know if he with can legal do that

4 because it's tax exempt, so it might be an

5 interesting legal question if you get here

6 in the city.

7 There are a lot of things that we

8 need to do here, but what we need to is have

9 the spirit of cooperation and that's for

10 everybody, the citizens, the council, the

11 administration, because the bottom line is

12 the bus is leaving Scranton -- are leaving

13 Scranton and taking people away, they are

14 not coming here in busloads they are

15 leaving. Thank you.

16 MS. GATELLI: Thank you. Mr.

17 Spindler. Before you start, Mr. Spindler,

18 we sent a letter for your sidewalks and I

19 also got an e-mail from a Mr. Turquato, who

20 is your neighbor, and he had the same

21 complaint so the letter has been sent.

22 MR. SPINDLER: He lives right across

23 the street from me. Good evening, Council.

24 Les Spindler. First, Mrs. Gatelli, is there

25 a possibility if there is a meeting canceled


1 again it could be put on the news so we can

2 know about it?

3 MS. GATELLI: They won't put it on

4 the news.


6 MS. GATELLI: I don't know.

7 MR. SPINDLER: Because they said it

8 was on 61, who watches 61 unless there is a

9 council meeting? .

10 MS. GATELLI: They won't put it on

11 the TV; right, Kay?

12 MS. GARVEY: They only do that for

13 schools.

14 MR. SPINDLER: Because a bunch of us

15 showed us and we had no idea the meeting was

16 canceled.

17 MS. GATELLI: I think it would be

18 wise for some of you to leave your phone

19 number with Kay because some people were

20 called whose number that the office had, so

21 leave your number with Kay, the regular

22 people that come so that she will be able

23 to, the three of them in there will be able

24 to call.

25 MR. SPINDLER: All right, I just


1 thought it might be a good idea.

2 MS. GATELLI: It is a good idea.

3 MR. SPINDLER: Next thing. The new

4 company that's going in the building where

5 Brixx's Restaurant is, they have been

6 working on the building for over two weeks

7 now, there is no permit on that building. I

8 just drove by there this afternoon, there is

9 still no permit on it and I know someone had

10 asked the mayor about that last week, the

11 mayor's response was "Mind your own

12 business."

13 That's the arrogance of this man.

14 He has other things done like behind

15 everyone's back. If that was anybody else

16 that didn't have a permit they would have

17 inspectors up there right away. The work

18 has been work going on for two weeks, no

19 permit on the door.

20 MS. GATELLI: We'll check that.

21 MR. SPINDLER: I ask that you look

22 into it. And also the company moving in was

23 this is from the Scranton Times they didn't

24 sign the lease. Who lets companies move in

25 without a lease? They could be gone next


1 week and that's ridiculous.

2 Next thing, I wanted to comment on

3 about this last week, because the mayor went

4 against council's wishes and is appealing

5 the police arbitration. Again, he stated

6 that it violates the recovery plan. That's

7 one of the biggest examples of hypocrisy I

8 ever heard. The mayor himself violated the

9 recovery plan which we have said before.

10 Giving the DPW contract with raises violates

11 the recovery plan. Giving his friends at

12 city hall raises violates the recovery plan,

13 so he has no right to appeal that

14 arbitration saying it violates the recovery

15 plan he did it himself.

16 Mr. Courtright, any word on when the

17 line painting is going to be done, did you

18 hear anything?

19 MR. COURTRIGHT: I spoke to an

20 employee of DPW and he gave me a lot of

21 information. The paint that we use is the

22 paint that they are using for PennDOT.

23 They've tried several different paints every

24 time a new one comes out they try and the

25 problem is this, what he is telling me is


1 that when they are painting the lines on

2 PennDOT they are down the middle of the road

3 and they have a much better chance of drying

4 and they don't get the wear and tear that

5 ours do that are running back and forth

6 across them, such as out here, so it's the

7 same point paint. I believe somebody

8 brought it up in front of Scranton Prep and

9 I think what was out there was the heat of

10 it, it's like a tape, they heated it and

11 melted it down and that works, you know, I

12 think it's expensive, maybe that's why we

13 don't use it, so I was going to bring it up

14 and my suggestion would be this, because I

15 think it's been pretty bad recently, the

16 line painting in the city, I think we need

17 to hire an additional person in that

18 department and buy another machine and we

19 are going to have do it more frequently

20 because we do have to comply with the

21 environmental rules for the paint, but it is

22 the same paint they are using for PennDOT.

23 MR. SPINDLER: Well, I mentioned two

24 specific places for like a year now, in

25 front of Steamtown Mall, the entrance, and


1 the corner of Franklin and Spruce.

2 MR. COURTRIGHT: It's throughout the

3 city. There is many, many locations.

4 MR. SPINDLER: They are both three

5 lanes there and people make turns in the

6 straightaway.

7 MR. COURTRIGHT: I believe we only

8 have two people doing all of the lines for

9 the entire city.

10 MR. SPINDLER: Next question I have,

11 North Rebecca Avenue it's one-way going

12 towards North Scranton, I'm sure you are

13 familiar with that, Mr. Courtright, I found

14 this a couple of months ago and I forgot to

15 bring it up, expect for one block the 500

16 block of north Rebecca is two ways and going

17 towards North Scranton you are going uphill

18 and it's two-way street just on that one

19 block, can we find out why? Because if you

20 are going up the hill in the winter and it's

21 icy you are stuck.

22 MR. COURTRIGHT: So the 500 block of

23 --

24 MR. SPINDLER: The 500 block is two

25 ways, the rest of the street is one way.


1 MR. COURTRIGHT: All right. We'll

2 check into it.

3 MR. SPINDLER: Next thing, Mrs.

4 Gatelli, you said that stop sign at

5 Merrifield and Price was rejected, was there

6 a reason why?

7 MS. GATELLI: Yes, I'll show it to

8 you later, are you going to be here?

9 MR. SPINDLER: I won't.

10 MS. GATELLI: I'll try to find it

11 and get it to you.

12 MR. SPINDLER: Because I spoke to the

13 person that asked me about this and he said

14 it's really busy now and he is afraid some

15 kid is going to get killed there going to

16 the little league field.

17 MS. GATELLI: I know. I keep getting

18 his e-mails.

19 MR. SPINDLER: I mean, I wonder if

20 whoever takes this into consideration isn't

21 thinking of the children.

22 MS. GATELLI: Here you go.

23 MR. SPINDLER: Can I keep this?

24 MS. GATELLI: Yes.

25 MR. SPINDLER: Thank you.


1 MS. GATELLI: Thank you. Mrs. Fay

2 Franas.

3 MS. FRANAS: Mrs? Miss Franas.

4 Great campaign, Bill and Janet. I sort of

5 want to say something about that though, I'm

6 sorry there wasn't much of a turnout in this

7 city. Where I was at the polls there was

8 like some 200 people that voted and there

9 were like 800 and some registered. I just

10 hope these people don't feel they have a

11 right to complain about anything ever

12 considering they couldn't take the time to

13 come and vote. I think it's a shame and bad

14 politicians are elected by people who do not

15 vote. You remember that one.

16 There is something on the agenda

17 tonight about the Railroad Avenue and

18 Broadway I like to ask if you know when it's

19 possibly going to be there, a stop sign, I

20 hope it's going to be a red light?

21 MS. GATELLI: I think it's a light.

22 MS. FRANAS: They go from seven of

23 Lackawanna County all the way to Luzerne

24 Street without any stopping or anything and

25 by the time they get by house they're going


1 80 miles an hour.

2 MR. COURTRIGHT: I think it's

3 probably a stop sign.

4 MS. FRANAS: What good is a stop

5 sign?

6 MR. COURTRIGHT: I'm just answering

7 the question. I'll check and make sure.

8 MS. FRANAS: Is there anyway you

9 could make that different, make it a red

10 light? I mean, this is ridiculous. So you

11 have a stop sign on Broadway, someone is

12 going to be pulling out and who goes first?

13 MR. COURTRIGHT: If, in fact, it is a

14 stop sign, I'll check it and make sure, but

15 I asked the cost of a red light or a traffic

16 light --

17 MS. FRANAS: You are talking about

18 the cost, that's your problem.

19 MR. COURTRIGHT: Well, I didn't say

20 that, let me finish. I asked what the cost

21 was of a traffic light and I can't recall

22 but it's a tremendous amount of money. It

23 really is, it's a lot of money, and I have

24 explained this once before and I know it

25 doesn't sound right, but this is a fact and


1 I have been told this by Mr. Parker, when

2 they install stop signs it's not to slow

3 traffic down, it's not to prevent accidents,

4 stop signs are to continue the flow of

5 traffic, all right? Now, I know that sounds

6 crazy.

7 MS. FRANAS: It doesn't make any

8 sense.

9 MR. COURTRIGHT: Well, that's what it

10 is to continue and I could ask Mr. Parker,

11 if you would like, to explain it to you more

12 in-depth I don't -- -

13 MS. FRANAS: Where would I get that

14 answer, pray tell?

15 MR. COURTRIGHT: Pardon?

16 MS. FRANAS: When would that I get

17 whole answer?

18 MR. COURTRIGHT: Well, I can have it

19 for you next week, I'll ask him if he wants

20 to write it down or maybe there's a code

21 where it tells him, but that's what has been

22 told to me on more than one occasion.

23 MS. FRANAS: What does it mean,

24 continues the flow of traffic? We are

25 trying to stop the flow of traffic so it


1 will stop.

2 MR. COURTRIGHT: Right, and I thought

3 the same as you until I was corrected and

4 I'll ask him if he could put it in writing

5 or if there is section in PennDOT rules, but

6 that's what I have been told on more than

7 one occasion.

8 MS. FRANAS: Is this a state road?

9 MR. COURTRIGHT: Railroad Avenue?

10 No.

11 MS. FRANAS: So it's a city.

12 MR. COURTRIGHT: I believe it's a

13 city.

14 MS. FRANAS: So what are you talking

15 about PennDOT for?

16 MR. COURTRIGHT: Well, I'm just

17 saying that's where I believe he got his

18 information from, I could be wrong, he used

19 to work for PennDOT for many years.

20 MS. FRANAS: All right, another

21 issue, back to the trucks and that in

22 neighborhood. A couple of months ago, two

23 months ago, a house a block behind me on

24 Fifth Avenue right behind my house the whole

25 basement caved in, okay? This is the second


1 time. They are going to tear the house down

2 this week or next week soon. Here is my

3 concern, the people next door to the man

4 leases their house, all cracked, okay? They

5 are telling me that this house when it comes

6 down is going to come down in 15 minutes so

7 what's going to happen with this house,

8 okay, they bring it down, what is going to a

9 happen with all of that stuff falls, I mean,

10 is there anyway to make that, take it down

11 easier or what? I mean, I'm going to be

12 afraid to come home and see what's left. A

13 truck goes up the street and my windows

14 shake, the house shakes, not just the

15 windows, the house shakes.

16 MS. FANUCCI: Fay, I do know that

17 they have to evaluate before they do and

18 they have to make sure that they evaluate

19 all of the properties around before that

20 house comes down, so they would have to walk

21 over to your house to make sure that what is

22 there will be there the same exact way after

23 they take the house down. I mean, that's

24 part of what they he have to do.

25 MS. FRANAS: How are they going to


1 guarantee that?

2 MS. FANUCCI: Well, I don't know if

3 they guarantee it, but they certainly will

4 make sure that it is the way that it was

5 before and then that way you won't you

6 have-- you will an argument saying, "This is

7 what you saw before and after."

8 MS. FRANAS: You mean, the outside of

9 the house?

10 MS. FANUCCI: The outside of the

11 house, yes. Correct.

12 MS. FRANAS: But how about if the

13 basement goes in?

14 MS. FANUCCI: Again, I understand

15 your concern, I don't know if that's -- if

16 would be something, I don't believe they

17 come in the house, so it's something you

18 need to --

19 MS. FRANAS: Yes, but a basement

20 before they tore the house down I want the

21 basement there when they leave.

22 MS. FANUCCI: Well, yeah, we all went

23 to keep our basements. That's the

24 reasonable request, but maybe we could --

25 MS. FRANAS: But are they going to


1 come and say, "Oh, your house is worth

2 $60,000, so if it caves in we will give you

3 60, is that what you are going to put a

4 price on it?

5 MS. FANUCCI: No, they actually go

6 around and check for even cracking that's

7 existing now compared to after.

8 MS. FRANAS: They are going to take

9 pictures?

10 MS. FANUCCI: I don't know if they

11 take photos, but I do know it's all

12 documented so I imagine it would be

13 photowise. Yeah, and maybe you should do

14 the same. Take a picture of your basement

15 before. I can't imagine that they would

16 just knock down a house and everything is

17 going to caved in. I think that's it's done

18 in a way --

19 MS. FRANAS: You got to understand

20 something, like I said, when a truck goes up

21 that street the whole house shakes so you

22 are trying to say if a house gets torn down

23 behind me nothing is going to happen.

24 MS. FANUCCI: No. I think you should

25 protect yourself is what I'm saying.


1 MS. FRANAS: What, leave?

2 MS. FANUCCI: No, to take photos.

3 Nobody wants you to leave, Fay.

4 MS. FRANAS: Want to bet? Okay,

5 thanks.

6 MS. EVANS: Ms. Franas, if you would

7 like to have a copy of the ordinance

8 regarding Broadway and Railroad Avenue it

9 explains slightly more in-depth what's going

10 to be placed there, but I think it might be

11 advantageous for you to keep this.

12 MS. FRANAS: Thank you. Does that

13 stop sign in there, Mrs. Evans?

14 MS. FANUCCI: Three-way.

15 MS. GATELLI: Three-way. There is no

16 parking --

17 MS. EVANS: Necessary signage and

18 signals to make the intersection of Broadway

19 and Railroad Avenue a three-way stop

20 including the delineation corresponding to

21 parking areas.

22 MS. FRANAS: Signals.

23 MS. EVANS: The word signals is in

24 there.

25 MS. FRANAS: That's what I thought


1 signals, I thought that meant light.

2 MS. COURTRIGHT: We'll ask, Fay, to

3 find out for sure.

4 MS. FRANAS: Thank you very much.

5 Thank you, Mrs. Evans.

6 MR. COURTRIGHT: Kay, can we ask to

7 get that?

8 MS. FRANAS: Railroad Avenue really

9 has to be done. Thank you.

10 MS. GATELLI: Thank you.

11 Mr. Newcomb?

12 MR. NEWCOMB: Good evening, council.

13 I also would like to congratulate Mrs. Evans

14 and Mr. Courtright on your recent run for

15 election and I give anybody credit who tries

16 to run for an office, win, lose or draw, and

17 just one thing about -- a little bit about

18 that election is that I believe that the

19 people all over the county, and it looks

20 like all over the country, have really made

21 their decisions known about, you know, they

22 are really disgusted with back door pay

23 raises and we seen it with Mr. Belardi down

24 there and I think that the people really are

25 disgusted with these things, so just in this


1 upcoming election just so some of the people

2 know you have to look into the candidates

3 that are running before you do go to vote

4 and one of the, you know, candidates that

5 are running in this election, you know, has

6 I'd say a multi-million dollars business

7 which is a KOZ so, you know, if you going to

8 pay taxpayers of something that's running

9 for election and they have a KOZ it's

10 something to really look at.

11 Mr. Gervasi came up here many, many

12 times and tried to tell everybody that the

13 mayor was going to cut your -- was going to

14 cut your public safety and the answer to

15 that was, no, no, no. Well, this is a quote

16 from Mayor Doherty himself: "Yes, we would

17 like to cut staffing because the fire

18 department has too many employees,"

19 Mr. Doherty said. "The fire department

20 currently has a staff of 150 firefighters."

21 So, all along his intention was to

22 reduce your public safety. He would also

23 compare us to Bethlehem, North Hampton

24 County which staffs a fire department of 112

25 police officers and about 140 firemen. Both


1 cities have about 70,000 residents. Well,

2 my questions there would be what's their

3 city hall payroll? Do they have people that

4 got like 1.2 million dollars in raises? Are

5 they distressed? Do they pay their DPW

6 person who doesn't even live in the city

7 $65,000? Do they pay their mayor $52,000?

8 These are the questions that have to be

9 asked and what I would like to do is, and a

10 lot of people that are out there listening,

11 citizens, senior citizen, he wants to reduce

12 this compared to these people, well, call

13 the mayor's office and ask him these two

14 questions: Number one is, if you what want

15 to reduce our fire department, and in here

16 it says he can make also some changes in the

17 police department, if you want to reduce our

18 fire departments which is taken away our

19 public safety I got two questions to ask

20 you, number one is it's going to save you

21 millions dollars a year -- or us millions of

22 dollar year, the two questions are call him

23 and ask him, "How much are you going to

24 reduce my property tax if you do this?"

25 And the second one is, how much are


1 going to take my 3.4 wage tax down because

2 we are going to be saving money and I

3 guarantee you when both of those bills come

4 next year the answer to that is zero.

5 The only area of the union also with

6 this arbitration the mayor did get some

7 management power reduction as the city can

8 eliminate, you know, one per shift, I think

9 this arbitrator really favored the city and

10 helped the city all of the certain things

11 that they were looking for. The city also

12 has spent $508,000 on arbitration in the

13 past five years and it's still -- it's still

14 growing. They also could take the position

15 that in the police department the corporal

16 could also be eliminated as well as a

17 detective sergeant position. So, again, we

18 appealed this decision and it looks like the

19 city has really got a pretty deal with some

20 management to write clauses and it's going

21 to cost us more money now, a lot more money

22 with the appeal.

23 I just had a question, I watched the

24 replay of the meeting and I really had to

25 listen to it twice, but this is just food


1 for thought because it's a national problem,

2 Mrs. Gatelli the meeting before last a

3 gentleman came up here and they were talking

4 about they were looking for to get some bus

5 schedules and to get drivers licenses and

6 did you really listen to what he said? Did

7 you comprehend what he said? Do you

8 remember if he said that him and a few other

9 people they were legal or illegal?

10 MS. GATELLI: I don't know that he

11 said that.

12 MR. NEWCOMB: Well, if you watch the

13 meeting you hear the word illegal, no

14 papers, illegal he used, that's no papers.

15 You've got to just stop that end of it right

16 there because the word -- that's what the

17 word illegal means. You can't have a

18 driver's license if you are illegal. So, I

19 mean, you just have to be careful with that

20 part because we cannot help anybody that's

21 illegal because we have enough problems.

22 Mrs. Evans and Mrs. Gatelli, a few

23 months ago we tried to just get an answer to

24 the question, the KOZ's and the nonprofits

25 you were supposed to -- you were trying to


1 get some money out of them for our tax base,

2 did any of the KOZ's or nonprofits

3 contribute extra money than what the

4 nonprofits were given already?

5 MS. GATELLI: We did get several, I

6 don't recall who they were, the Girl Scouts

7 and the Boys and Girls Club.

8 MR. NEWCOMB: The nonprofits; right?


10 MR. NEWCOMB: How about the KOZ's,

11 did you go to any of them?


13 MR. NEWCOMB: You didn't go to any of

14 the KOZ's? Just as I close, just on the

15 KOZ's, what people have to look at is you

16 have go get a list because you don't have a

17 list of, you know, the KOZ's, things in the

18 area like we have a smoke shop that's a KOZ,

19 we have an entertainment center that's a KOZ

20 so what people have to do is if we are not

21 making any money from the KOZ's and it's

22 costing our taxes to go up just you got to

23 boycott those places that are in KOZ's and

24 go to the people that are paying taxes and

25 trying struggling, buy your cigarettes there


1 or do your entertaining somewhere else.

2 Thank you.

3 MS. GATELLI: Don't buy any

4 cigarettes because you shouldn't be smoking.

5 MR. NEWCOMB: That's better yet.

6 MS. GATELLI: Lee Morgan. If I could

7 quit anybody could, right, Mr. Morgan?

8 MR. MORGAN: I was making a comment

9 to Mr. Bolus, I really wasn't paying

10 attention, I'm sorry. The first thing I

11 have is, you know, we really do appreciate

12 this junior council, absolutely without a

13 doubt, and you can see what they are trying

14 to do here. The junior council has been a

15 good idea, it was presented to council a

16 long time ago and it's finally come to where

17 you see children and young adults in this

18 community can. The only question is how

19 much will this council, this administration,

20 and government and the people themselves

21 allow these young adults to accomplish

22 through this city, and I hope that they keep

23 an open mind and support this council as

24 much as they support this council.

25 My next comment is has council done


1 anything at all to ask the mayor to move

2 money from the sale of the golf course to

3 paying back the University of Scranton, the

4 money that was given I guess in agreement to

5 acquire the south side sports complex and

6 what I would like this council to do is I

7 would like them to ask the mayor to move

8 money from the account from the golf course

9 to pay the University of Scranton back and

10 make the south side sports complex not be an

11 issue anymore.

12 MS. EVANS: Mr. Morgan, the proceeds

13 from that sale, I'm sure you remember this,

14 are in the First National Community Bank in

15 CD's and each has a different retirement

16 date. One has rolled over, I believe, as of

17 last summer. There could be another one

18 forthcoming this summer, but to my knowledge

19 that money has never been moved, it's never

20 been placed in trust as promised. I don't

21 know that you could withdraw any of it say

22 immediately without penalty.

23 MR. MORGAN: Well, no, I do agree

24 with every word you said even as far as the

25 penalty part, but the greatest penalty of


1 all is that if this community losses that

2 asset then all of the residents in this city

3 are going to suffer, so if we have to lose a

4 little bit of money on a CD and a penalty

5 for, you know, redeeming it early we should

6 do that because --

7 MS. EVANS: Well, I'm sure, I'm sorry

8 to interrupt, we have lost a great deal of

9 money in those CD's in comparison to the

10 money that previously was generated annually

11 from the Scranton Municipal Golf course so

12 it's been a great loss already, but I agree

13 with you, it's certainly worth that loss. I

14 don't know, however, that the mayor is going

15 to be convinced to do so because those

16 requests have been placed before him several

17 times over the last two and a half years

18 regarding those CD's. He has never agreed

19 to touch them.

20 MR. MORGAN: Well, you know, I'd just

21 like to say that, you know, it's up to the

22 residents of the city to decide whether the

23 mayor has done a good job or not, but I

24 think in my own opinion the mayor has made a

25 lot of poor decisions and hopefully I'd have


1 to say that even the appeal with the

2 policemen that was a very poor decision to

3 make, that's going to cost the city a lot of

4 money and I hope that council could

5 intercede, I mean, you even take a look when

6 he was finance chair with the sewer deal,

7 another bad deal. And, you know, a lot of

8 people fail to realize that as American

9 Anglican ran the authority they weren't

10 rotating machines out to rebuild them, they

11 were just burning them out in place because

12 they were getting to keep more money, and I

13 think that if anything should happen this

14 council should find a way to cut next year's

15 budget by the amount necessary to fulfill

16 our obligations to American Anglican and

17 give them their money back and hold the

18 mayor's feet to the fire and say, "Look it,

19 this was your baby, you were the finance

20 chair when Mr. Connors was mayor, you though

21 this was a great idea, well, it's time now

22 for you to find a solution to the problem

23 you helped to create," and I think that

24 that's what every resident should ask this

25 mayor to do and I think that every resident


1 should ask this council to move that to the

2 mayor and make him do something.

3 And I just have one more question

4 and that question is the playground program

5 for this year a dead issue at this point?


7 MR. MORGAN: Can you say anything on

8 that sometime tonight?

9 MS. GATELLI: Mrs. Fanucci will state

10 it in motions.

11 MR. MORGAN: Thank you.

12 MS. GATELLI: Thank you. Is there

13 anyone else that would care to address

14 counsel?

15 MR. HEALEY: Good evening, council

16 members. My name is Gerard Healey, I'm a

17 property owner in the hill section. About

18 two months ago I addressed you on a topic

19 that I can't get any satisfaction from

20 anyone, department, mayor, solicitor, you

21 know, the DPW or anything. It was in

22 regards to -- I showed you pictures of

23 trees, trees behind my house on the city

24 owned lot and they were all dead, about

25 approximately a dozen between anywhere from


1 a foot to three feet diameter and they all

2 were down in pieces, but I went up there and

3 showed you the pictures, do you remember,

4 bak when you were in south side and up there

5 on Pittston Avenue? And since then about a

6 week went by after I talked to you, you said

7 you were address it and contact us and find

8 out what the situation was and I waited a

9 week, called them up probably three times,

10 the tree cracked, two of them cracked and

11 they are actually -- I have pictures of

12 that. They actually are broken, and I'm

13 talking serious. Look at right here now,

14 this is split section like a - it's actually

15 like my own, like this it's like this split,

16 you know, and there is two of them. Now,

17 the two dead streets are laying on three

18 other dead trees that are bending facing my

19 house, facing the neighbor's house. DPW I

20 called them about a month ago, called them,

21 you know, a dozen times or so. They sent

22 people out there, about three weeks ago they

23 sent them out, they came out, they looked at

24 them, they looked and they said, "Wow,

25 that's a real problem."


1 He said, "We have nothing that can

2 fix that, you are on your own."

3 Case closed. Called them several

4 times after that, "We will send somebody

5 out," whatever, they called, it's not the

6 city's property. It is the city's property.

7 Well, you know, the same thing over and over

8 again. I'm telling you what, when that

9 thing falls and I'm sleeping in my bed it's

10 going to land in my bedroom if the wind

11 blows right, okay, so I'm just talking about

12 saving my life here from sleeping, not to

13 mention the kids in the neighborhood playing

14 back there or whatever, you know what I

15 mean, and it's been going on for four or

16 five years. I had attempted to buy that

17 property. I put the bid and the whole

18 thing, I spent a $1,000 to the lawyers and

19 all of that kind of garbage, my lawyer says,

20 "Run away from it. The title is so messed

21 up."

22 You know, somehow or another the

23 city took the property because of back taxes

24 from a former own two years after the city,

25 you know, took the property from him. He


1 resold it to another guy and then that other

2 guy can't find him anywhere, you know, and

3 the title searchs on my property cost me

4 $3,000 to a silent title search and it's

5 still --

6 MS. GATELLI: What's the address of

7 the property?

8 MR. HEALEY: Rear 1320 Vine Street.

9 It's in accessible from like the streets,

10 either side of the streets. Like, my

11 driveway you can see it, that driveway, it's

12 approachable only from the alley like in

13 Winsley Court which is between Vine and

14 Mulberry and Taylor and you get there. Like

15 I said, it's a nightmare and a mess and I'll

16 give you permission, you can walk to go on

17 my property, if you want to cut a tree, you

18 know, that's not even on my property so I

19 can't even fix. I tried to buy it to cut it

20 down myself and it would cost me like $5,000

21 and then, you know, what I'm saying? It's

22 not worth it, but somebody is going to get

23 hurt.

24 MS. GATELLI: We usually send these

25 to Mr. Santolli and he is very prompt, I


1 don't know.

2 MR. HEALEY: Well, I would say the

3 first call I made was 1998, okay?

4 MS. EVANS: Well, they're probably

5 basing it on the fact that it's private

6 property, they are not going to go on

7 private property, but I do think we do know

8 that they very often do go on private

9 property and remove trees, so I think in

10 this instance it certainly seems that it's

11 justified.

12 MR. HEALEY: It's surrounded by four

13 properties, it's a property in the middle of

14 four properties, one property on the ally,

15 and another property and mine, that's four

16 of us, four properties, it was like a big,

17 big "R" and another one and he said -- and

18 the guy that owned it after that never paid

19 a dime of taxes and the city took it from

20 him in '97 and, you know, it's been a mess

21 ever since.

22 MR. COURTRIGHT: You know, maybe we

23 can check tomorrow morning and make sure

24 that it's the city's property.

25 MR. HEALEY: Well, no I had my


1 lawyer give the information and it's -- I

2 did a title search on it, I actually went

3 right through the city to purchase it, you

4 all voted that I could buy it and the mayor

5 signed off, everybody else, had to get the

6 appraiser there, it was only appraised at

7 $500 the bottom minimum, I wanted to

8 purchase it, but my lawyer said I can't

9 purchase it because it's a mess, the title,

10 I can't get a clean title on the thing if I

11 wanted. It's not like I get a clean title

12 and everything else it will devalue my

13 property.

14 MR. COURTRIGHT: That's probably why

15 the city is not cutting it down because they

16 don't have a clean title on it.

17 MR. HEALEY: Well, the city has the

18 title.

19 MR. COURTRIGHT: You just told me

20 that --

21 MR. HEALEY: I attempted to purchase

22 it, I was going to bid it for it, but I

23 didn't pay -- I didn't purchase it because

24 the title search yielded the fact that, you

25 know, does the city own it? They said they


1 took it. They wanted -- but, however, the

2 city took it. They guy that took it --

3 MS. GATELLI: If they took it they

4 could sell it to you.

5 MS. FANUCCI: But you are saying the

6 other gentleman had sold it after the city

7 had taken it over?

8 MR. HEALEY: Right.

9 MS. GATELLI: Yeah, there is

10 something wrong. Leave the pictures and

11 leave your name and phone number on the back

12 with Mr. Coolican, okay, and we'll check it

13 out.

14 MS. EVANS: One last question

15 though, would you prefer that the trees are

16 cut down by the city or would you prefer to

17 purchase the property?

18 MR. HEALEY: I don't want to die,

19 okay?

20 MS. EVANS: No, I understand, but I

21 know that you were interested in purchasing

22 it.

23 MR. HEALEY: Well, I was going to.

24 MS. EVANS: Are you still

25 interested?


1 MR. HEALEY: Well, I was going to go

2 that avenue, you know, but when I found it

3 it's going to cost me thousands and

4 thousands of dollars just to do something

5 with it and then I have to buy it, you know,

6 plus my lawyer advised me there is other --

7 there is going to be a million

8 complications, resales.

9 MR. COURTRIGHT: I see Mrs. Krake in

10 the back, she might be able to find out for

11 us. Nancy, it's 1320 --rear of 1320 Vine.

12 If you could check that for us I would

13 appreciate it. She works in the office

14 downstairs and she should be able to find

15 out for us if the city owns it.

16 MR. HEALEY: I mean, I advised you

17 last time they are all dead. Now they are

18 cracked and now they are falling and now

19 they are actually -- if I pushed hard enough

20 I'd probably knock --

21 MS. GATELLI: All right, we'll check

22 into it.

23 MR. HEALEY: -- the tree into my

24 neighbor's house.

25 MS. GATELLI: Leave your name and


1 number with Mr. Coolican and we'll contact

2 you.

3 MR. HEALEY: Well, I mean, how soon,

4 because, I mean, this is like --

5 MS. GATELLI: Well, you know.

6 MR. HEALEY: I mean, you don't have

7 to sleep with this over your bedroom like

8 why don't you wait a few weeks and see if

9 you can die.

10 MS. FANUCCI: We can send somebody

11 out tomorrow and see if there is something

12 we can do. In the mean time even if they

13 just take the cracked tree down so it

14 doesn't fall on your bedroom.

15 MR. HEALEY: Or my neighbors even.

16 There's another house right there.

17 MS. FANUCCI: Let's consider this a

18 safety issue for now and try to intervene as

19 far as that is concerned. We'll call

20 tomorrow and see if they can get up there as

21 soon as possible. I mean, you are standing

22 here telling us -- certainly if your tree

23 falls down on your bedroom.

24 MR. HEALEY: I mean, I'm sure if you

25 were to look at them, I can show you the


1 split in them. In other words, right here,

2 see this tree here is -- it's broken right

3 there and this tree is going to fall down on

4 the house.


6 MR. HEALEY: The other one is it's

7 all striped down.

8 MS. FANUCCI: That's what we will do.

9 We'll put it there tomorrow and see if we

10 can get the guys out there and at least try

11 to help you out.

12 MR. HEALEY: And this is city owned

13 here, you know.

14 MS. GATELLI: Okay. Thank you.

15 MR. HEALEY: Wilbur Walts if you want

16 to talk to him.

17 MS. GATELLI: I know Wilbur Walts

18 very well.

19 MR. HEALEY: You took it from him and

20 he resold it on you. Thank you.

21 MS. GATELLI: Anyone else?

22 Mrs. Krake.

23 MS. KRAKE: Good evening, council.

24 My name is Nancy Krake. I would like to

25 thank Mrs. Evans and Mr. Courtright for


1 taking time from their lives once again to

2 help serve the citizens better and I'd like

3 to thank them for running, I know it's very,

4 very tough, and we are glad you are here, so

5 I'd like to respond a little bit to the

6 editorial that was in the Scranton paper on

7 May 14.

8 MS. GATELLI: You are not still

9 reading that, are you, Nancy?

10 MS. KRAKE: Actually I just got a

11 phone call which then prompted me to read

12 it. First off, Mr. Newcomb made some

13 excellent points which tie right into my

14 speech. He is absolutely right when he says

15 that when the administration cuts jobs they

16 do not give the money back to the citizens

17 and the taxpayers in any way, shape or form

18 they simply give it back to themselves in

19 raises and job creations. That's what they

20 did with the 30 clerical positions they cut.

21 They also left you with a $500,000 minimum

22 municipal obligation payment for the next

23 20 years which they called a buyout. It is

24 not. I did not negotiate that, by the way.

25 I believe Miss Moran had something to do


1 that with that negotiation.

2 The citizens of Scranton have

3 watched this administration grant nearly 4

4 million in pay raises and job creations for

5 middle management over the past five years.

6 We have watched our city's finances change

7 drastically from the surplus to a staggering

8 $220 million deficit. This deficit means we

9 have a large annual debt payment each year

10 that drains the funds from necessary city

11 services and projects. In reality, we have

12 been saddled with a too large mortgage

13 payment we should never have assumed. I'd

14 like to know when the editorial is on these

15 two facts or make an editorial on the

16 consultants and professional services we

17 have witnessed in the past five years. We

18 will probably never see these because even

19 this newspaper can't put enough spin on the

20 administration's so called recovery plan to

21 hide these devastating affects it has had on

22 our city.

23 The editorial also feels the deck is

24 stacked for workers. The truth is this is

25 far from the truth. Act 47 and the


1 Pennsylvania Economy League have allowed

2 this administration to stack the deck in

3 their favor. How else would politicians and

4 their political hires give themselves once

5 again four million in pay raises and jobs

6 with the State of Pennsylvania's blessing.

7 The 2.4 million policemen and women were

8 awarded in lieu of any pay increase over the

9 past five years pales in comparison to the

10 millions and millions the administration in

11 middle management desk jobs have received

12 without an arbitration.

13 The administration is appealing this

14 award to the police officers apparently to

15 snub the arbitration process. In this

16 process all of the facts were presented and,

17 in fact, they are all public knowledge.

18 Even their own behavior, that is the

19 administration's behavior, was part of the

20 evidence that determined this award. I

21 certainly hope this administration doesn't

22 expect any special favors in Court. They

23 are going to be sadly disappointed to think

24 our judges are not the honorable men and

25 women that they are.


1 The administration and the

2 Pennsylvania Economy League seem very

3 willing to spend away our future and cut

4 public safety funds and services. The

5 painful truth is that we have to take

6 control of our city. We need to take

7 control away from the state and the

8 Pennsylvania Economy League and give it back

9 to the average citizen and what is important

10 to them. Thank you.

11 MS. GATELLI: Thank you.

12 Mr. Sledenzski. Don't forget, class day

13 tomorrow.

14 MR. SLEDENZSKI: Billy, I want to

15 thank you for that project on Jackson

16 Street, and for that help for me, I really

17 appreciate it, Bill. Thanks, Billy.

18 MR. COURTRIGHT: You are welcome,

19 Chris.

20 MS. GATELLI: Mr. Ancherani.

21 MR. ANCHERANI: Good evening.

22 Nelson Ancherani, I'm a taxpayer, resident,

23 city employee, financial secretary of the

24 FOP and I'm here to exercise my opinion

25 under the First Amendment rights. I would


1 like to start out this evening saying that I

2 felt the city did a very noble gesture by

3 honoring the 13 Scranton police officers who

4 died in the line of duty. These officers

5 paid the ultimate sacrifice for the citizens

6 of this city. The citizens and residents

7 should be proud. These officers were

8 honored during the dedication and group

9 photo of the new police building on May 15,

10 2006, at approximately 12:30 p.m. I'm proud

11 to be working in the same profession as

12 these brave officers. I know that I will

13 probably be labeled as negative after I say

14 what else I'm going to say, but I'm sure

15 there are other officers who feel the same

16 way. The members of the police department

17 were asked to participate in the group

18 photo. I did not participate. I believe

19 that approximately half of the department

20 didn't participate and I was told that 76

21 did participate.

22 As for myself, one reason I didn't

23 was because for over the past year I have

24 been saying that the new police building is

25 too small. As the intent or reason it was


1 built was to house the entire department

2 under one roof another reason was because

3 the old station was in deplorable condition.

4 As it is, the juvenile training division are

5 still located elsewhere. For me to

6 participate in a group photo would have been

7 hypocritical on my part. The building was

8 not built big enough by the city's own

9 admission because of budget constraints.

10 Some of the participants in the group photo

11 replied, "It would be nice for your

12 grandkids to see where their grandfather was

13 part of history."

14 My answer to my grandkids would be,

15 and, again, I'm sure there are others who

16 agree, my answer is "We stood up for

17 ourselves. The city wasn't treating us

18 nicely or with respect."

19 How can I participate when the

20 administration is trying to break our unions

21 and treating us with contempt? I'm a union

22 person and this administration is not

23 treating us right. I also have pride and

24 principal. I couldn't stand and participate

25 in the group photo with the mayor. People


1 who regard unions disrespectfully or for

2 people who regard unions disrespectfully and

3 our trying to break them. From what I

4 understand the mayor said he has nothing but

5 respect for the police department or their

6 officers. His brother is a former Scranton

7 police officer. I have to ask, what

8 respect? Not all of the facts were put on

9 the program for the dedication. Important

10 facts that were left out of the program for

11 the ceremony are the administration is

12 trying to break the unions. You are the

13 waiters and waitresses of the city. The

14 administration can run the city with 40

15 police officers, no concern for the police

16 officers safety if we don't have back up.

17 Trophies from past police history were

18 thrown in the garbage. The administration

19 wants the active members of the police

20 department to pay retiring health care.

21 They violate the recovery plan and blame the

22 unions for the deficits. They want to take

23 aware our right to file grievances. They

24 violated the contracts numerous times

25 resulting in the filing of numerous and


1 numerous grievances. The Scranton Police

2 Department is it one of the lowest paid

3 departments in the area. They have not had

4 a raise in four years and since this

5 administration has appealed the arbitration

6 award there will no raises for many, many

7 more years. The administration gave out

8 raises in violation of the recovery plan to

9 the tune of $5.5 million and hires new

10 hires, but the union has got nothing. The

11 unions are not the chosen, but some of the

12 chosen got $10,000 raises.

13 There is many, many more things that

14 could have been on there and now that the

15 Courts have upheld the 6.6 million

16 arbitration award to American Anglican 5.5

17 is the city's share plus interest, close to

18 6 million dollars, so the rate payers will

19 probably pay the bill. The mayor is quoted,

20 "Money always has to come from somebody," so

21 we are it. That's right, taxpayers, along

22 with paying this bill don't forget the tax

23 increase that the mayor admitted is coming.

24 Our grandchildren while they are looking at

25 the police picture on the police building


1 wall can say that mayor who was in the

2 picture is the one who we are paying this

3 exorbitant tax for. It is his fault. That

4 picture will be history. It is his two

5 point -- it is his 240 million plus we are

6 paying back history.

7 One other thing about the Tripps

8 Park police, I don't know if you are aware,

9 they did have the police back there at one

10 time, so I guess they've become affluent

11 now, that area? I know they did have them

12 and all of a sudden they are affluent, so

13 maybe somebody could look into that and

14 probably have more police there. Thank you.

15 MS. GATELLI: Is there anyone else

16 that would care to speak before council?

17 Kay?

18 MS. GARVEY: 5-A motions.

19 MS. GATELLI: Mrs. Evans.

20 MS. EVANS: Good evening. First, I

21 notice that we have held a legislation

22 concerning a redeveloper's agreement with

23 the Ice Box and the SRA for the interest

24 free payments over 20 years. I believe we

25 are going to have a caucus next week with


1 those individuals to discuss this in-depth,

2 but I also noticed that another piece of

3 legislation is missing and that would be the

4 lease agreements with our little leagues,

5 teener leagues, junior football leagues,

6 etcetera that was filed of council No.32 of

7 2006, what is the hold up on this situation?

8 MS. GATELLI: The school district is

9 talking with school little league to make

10 some kind of arrangements so West Scranton

11 can use the teener league.

12 MS. EVANS: I understand that the

13 Scranton School District conducted a special

14 meeting on Monday night for the purpose of

15 voting on a potential purchase of that

16 property for $1 from the City of Scranton,

17 but I don't really see how appropriate that

18 meeting was when I don't believe the city

19 has even offered it for sale, and as far as

20 I know having spoken with the officials of

21 the little league they are not in discussion

22 with the school district about this

23 purchase.

24 MS. GATELLI: Well, then they are

25 lying to me because I spoke to Mr. Roth this


1 morning and he said they had a meeting last

2 night.

3 MS. EVANS: Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't

4 know about that meeting.

5 MS. GATELLI: They are really trying

6 to get some kind of agreement and I like the

7 little league and my husband was a coach for

8 30 years at Connell Park and I understand

9 the plight of the little leagues, but being

10 an employee of West Scranton High School I

11 also understand their problem with not

12 having a field to practice on. West

13 Scranton baseball does not have a field to

14 practice, so if we don't try to help get

15 something together there at Sloan the school

16 district is going to have to buy property

17 for West Scranton High School to practice on

18 and if the school district buys property

19 that's our tax money, too.

20 MS. EVANS: Right, but the school

21 district was always allowed to use that

22 property.

23 MS. GATELLI: No, they haven't been.

24 MS. EVANS: But -- no, they haven't

25 been --


1 MS. GATELLI: Bishop Hannon is there

2 and prep and West Scranton can only get it

3 when Bishop Hannon and Prep aren't there.

4 MS. EVANS: That was because the

5 school district pulled out of the agreement

6 to use it. They wanted to buy it and when

7 they were refused that purchase they

8 voluntarily pulled their team off the

9 field--

10 MS. GATELLI: No --

11 MS. EVANS: -- which is why Bishop

12 Hannon --

13 MS. GATELLI: There are two sides to

14 every story.

15 MS. EVANS: Well, that was when we

16 were on council so we are aware of what went

17 on at that time, but --

18 MS. GATELLI: There has been a lot of

19 misrepresentations and from what I

20 understand last night from both parties

21 because the school district sent

22 Mrs. Miswiggin and I also heard from the

23 little league and they said it was the best

24 meeting they have had.

25 MS. EVANS: Well, I hope they are


1 satisfied --

2 MS. GATELLI: Hopefully they will

3 have a solution.

4 MS. EVANS: And I hope they get

5 everything that they want in writing because

6 they --

7 MS. GATELLI: Supposedly there was

8 only one item that they didn't like and she

9 was taking that back to the district, and I

10 hope.

11 MS. EVANS: And I hope they do get it

12 it in writing because like you said--

13 MS. GATELLI: I'd like to see both of

14 them --

15 MS. EVANS: -- these are -- the

16 children that play on these fields right now

17 are the future students at West Scranton

18 High School.

19 MS. GATELLI: Exactly.

20 MS. EVANS: They are currently

21 students in the elementary schools or in

22 West Scranton Intermediate School, so, you

23 know, it's not a matter of I feel the school

24 district is swallowing it up to cheat the

25 younger children just so, you know,


1 eventually they can benefit, they did have

2 use, they wanted to purchase this for one

3 reason or another and I just want to be sure

4 that the little league is satisfied because

5 they've run this on their own for a long,

6 long time without a penny from this city or

7 the school district. They have had to run

8 their own fund raisers and they have

9 maintained the area, so I just want to make

10 sure they are treated fairly and whatever

11 the agreement it should be committed to

12 writing. I think we should have learned a

13 lesson by now from the South Side Complex.

14 MR. COURTRIGHT: Can I just jump in I

15 want to say it on the air, this is going

16 back about two years, Mrs. Evans, myself,

17 Brian Jeffers from the school district, we

18 met at St. Ann's lyceum and I had said back

19 then that I would not agree to anything that

20 the little leagues weren't satisfied with.

21 There is a one person from the little

22 league, I got a call at school about a week

23 ago that there is one person saying, "Oh, we

24 don't know if we can trust them, he is going

25 to sell it," and I would take that with that


1 jump and face-to-face when I see him. They

2 send somebody election day to the polls to

3 ask me the question, and I'm going to say it

4 now for this gentleman, I hope he's

5 listening, I said it two years ago, I'm

6 going to say it again now, I will not agree

7 to anything that they are not satisfied

8 with. Why he would be saying this I don't

9 understand. I really hope that they could

10 come to an agreement so both can play, that

11 would be best for everybody, but I'll say it

12 right here and now for the school district

13 and for the little leagues, if the little

14 leagues aren't satisfied with the deal I

15 will not vote in favor of it. So, please

16 stop spreading these rumors and when this

17 gentleman I will tell him to face-to-face, I

18 will not say his name on the air.

19 MS. EVANS: Someone who attended

20 Monday night meeting reportedly was told by

21 a representative of the school district that

22 both you, Mr. Courtright, and I would agree

23 to such a sale and that is absolutely

24 untrue. It was two years ago. It was a

25 month ago when this came up and there were


1 all sorts of lies going on at the last

2 meeting where this was brought up, and I'll

3 say it again for the record, I will not vote

4 for this sale unless the little league is

5 completely satisfied and receives it's

6 guarantee in writing with the approval of

7 their attorney. Period.

8 MS. GATELLI: Is there any other

9 discussion?

10 MS. EVANS: Okay. Now I'll move

11 along to the requests and many of these were

12 received on the campaign trail. 103 Hope

13 Way of Meridian Avenue there is a small

14 development with no streetlights or street

15 signs but the street is ordained. Dickson

16 Avenue and Electric Streets, Darren

17 Northeast has taken approximately one to two

18 feet of the road which extends out from the

19 curb like a half-moon. There are no

20 barricades to warn drivers of this unusual

21 setup and the residents are very concerned

22 that drivers are going to hit the pole.

23 On may 8, 2006, a water main break

24 at one end of Beaumont Avenue which is

25 located between Laurel Street and Warren


1 Street occurred and this break caused the

2 street on the other end to actually lift up

3 and buckle. There are now permanent humps

4 and depressions in the 1700 block of

5 Beaumont which was just paved in October of

6 2005 by PG Energy after many, many years of

7 waiting and the water company did pump out

8 the water but they left behind an awful mess

9 which stayed for three days until the

10 residents themselves cleared it. So, the

11 residents are now requesting that the water

12 company restore the road to it's previous

13 condition which I believe under the law they

14 must do within a five-year period from the

15 date that they make these paved cuts.

16 The 1800 block of Ferdinand street,

17 both sides of the block have six to

18 eight-inch ruts in the road and they need to

19 be hot patched and sealed with tar.

20 On Bryn Mawr, the 1300 block, one of

21 the neighbors wants to know if this

22 particular lot, and I have the address here,

23 was sold and if so to whom.

24 Also, the playground at Sloan little

25 league remove graffiti, glass bottles and


1 the hanging ladder needs repair work and

2 must be reinstalled.

3 Trim trees near the old tennis

4 courts off Golden Avenue and Westin Park we

5 have a dead tree there incidentally that's

6 ready to fall on the roof of the house

7 adjacent to it.

8 515 Oak Street from this location to

9 McDonough Avenue there is japanese bamboo

10 growing for many years and it has actually

11 ripped off the gutters on the house next

12 door.

13 Fig Street near Jadick Motors, first

14 house on the right, back porch is falling

15 in, junk vehicles are parked on the

16 property, cats are overrunning the area and

17 we need to get an inspector out there. And

18 that's it.

19 MS. GATELLI: Thank you. Mrs.

20 Fanucci?

21 MS. FANUCCI: Tonight I noticed a lot

22 of our problems seem to revolve around the

23 stop signs. I believe that we keep sending

24 these requests on behalf of the citizens out

25 here looking for some type of safety check.


1 Now, I know myself, I live up near Nay Aug

2 park it is a major problem where I live that

3 we do not have a four-way stop sign. Park

4 season is coming I am really in constant

5 fear about the kids out there and watching

6 how many more children are up around this

7 area now and we have nothing in check. Now,

8 here is what I was told, they said that the

9 stop sign is not to replace, and you are

10 correct, not to replace anything except for

11 -- you cannot get a light unless you are in

12 a high, high traffic area. Well, I don't

13 know want a light, I want the stop sign, so

14 why is this a problem? I think as far as we

15 are concerned if five requests come in for

16 one area for a stop sign it shouldn't be a

17 big problem to put a stop sign out. I'm

18 going to send a letter to George and say,

19 "Listen, I think is a great, I know we have

20 our rules and everything," but the people in

21 the neighborhoods know, they are not going

22 to try to make people stop if it's like a

23 big problem, I don't see why this has to be

24 such a big issue, why we have to waste 25

25 letters to go to a department to say, "We


1 want a stop sign."

2 I think it's a little absurd. I'm

3 going to request it again in the form of a

4 motion that if we get more than two requests

5 or four requests per block for one stop sign

6 that the stop sign is placed where it's

7 needed and I'd like to make that in the form

8 of a motion.

9 MS. GATELLI: I'll second that. On

10 the question?

11 MS. EVANS: I'm not exactly sure what

12 the procedure is. I think they do traffic

13 studies--

14 MS. FANUCCI: They do.

15 MS. EVANS: And that may determine

16 also the number of signage in the area and

17 some things are approved and other things

18 are not and I have not very often agreed

19 with the wisdom of the decisions so I'm

20 going to agree with you.

21 MS. FANUCCI: Thank you. I would

22 like to say that a four-way stop sign is

23 becoming extinct in Pennsylvania. They did

24 not like having them, it was a problem, they

25 decided that any time you wanted a four-stop


1 that a light should go in, this was the old

2 way of thinking, and I understand that where

3 we were, that's where I was when we were on

4 the planning commission, was on the planning

5 commission, but, now, I mean, it seems to me

6 to be a little bit ludicrous to be worried

7 about -- these are our kids and these are

8 people, I have watched so many near

9 accidents in the past few weeks, summer is

10 coming, the kids are out, it's a lot of fun,

11 but I can't sit there sick to my stomach

12 everyday worrying about the fact are they

13 going to put a stop sign up, so wherever we

14 get requests let's just do it, so that my

15 little tangent for today, but I do have

16 more.

17 MS. GATELLI: All in favor? Aye.



20 MS. FANUCCI: Aye.

21 MS. EVANS: Aye.

22 MS. GATELLI: Opposed? The ayes have

23 it and so moved.

24 MS. FANUCCI: Another thing, another

25 problem I have, summer is here and we had


1 done lots of paving so far, the cuts in the

2 road that the people are making if there is

3 more than two cuts, how about me with my

4 motions tonight, aren't we excited? If

5 there are more than two cuts in the road

6 that are made by the electric company or

7 whoever else and we have our guy that comes

8 out and decides whether the patchwork was

9 done correctly or not, if there are more

10 than two cuts in the road I believe that

11 that company should have to repave that

12 whole block because what happens is these

13 patches are what creates the problems and

14 then we to here about the potholes. It's a

15 constant, constant cycle of what we are

16 doing, so I'm making in the form of the

17 motion, again, that when our inspectors go

18 out after the paving if it is not properly

19 patched and they do not feel with more than

20 two cuts on the road that they have to pave

21 the whole entire street and not us, the

22 people who have created the problems which

23 are the electric companies --

24 MS. GATELLI: I'm not sure we can do

25 that.


1 MS. FANUCCI: They said -- I did

2 talk, I did ask and they said that we can

3 because they have to comply with what was

4 done, what they have left. They have to

5 leave what they started. So, if they leave

6 with a freshly paved road --

7 MS. EVANS: And that's --

8 MS. FANUCCI: They can cut up three

9 different sections of the road?

10 MS. EVANS: That's already an

11 ordinance they have a five years from the

12 date of the pave cut to restore the road to

13 it's original condition and they are

14 supposed to be doing that.

15 MS. FANUCCI: The problem is it's

16 falling through. It is falling through the

17 cracks and --

18 MS. EVANS: Well, it's a pave cut,

19 the pave cut inspector has to get out there

20 and cite. Look, I mean, take a look at

21 North Washington Avenue from Electric Street

22 all the way up to Fairfield Avenue now,

23 every block of it has huge pave cuts.

24 MS. FANUCCI: Right.

25 MS. EVANS: That are simply being


1 filled in, I believe, by Linde Construction

2 and already the depressions are occurring,

3 but, you know, I think it's a matter of

4 enforcement right now that the city has to--

5 MS. FANUCCI: Like ten cuts on one

6 road ends up to be a full paved job as far

7 as I am concerned because --

8 MS. EVANS: Oh, no, I agree, but

9 another problem that I maybe piggybacks onto

10 what you are saying if you were to throw

11 this in there.

12 MS. FANUCCI: I'll throw whatever in

13 you want.

14 MS. EVANS: When the DPW goes out --

15 MS. FANUCCI: Only tonight.

16 MS. EVANS: When we potholes or ruts

17 in the street, and this is the happened

18 countless times, that they will go out and

19 fill maybe two or three potholes in a street

20 ignore the eight that are farther down the

21 street and then they leave.

22 MS. FANUCCI: Like if we see them do

23 them, that type of the thing?

24 MS. EVANS: Yes.

25 MS. FANUCCI: It's on site.


1 MS. EVANS: Yes, if you are going

2 let's say to the 1700 block of Wyoming

3 Avenue to fill one or two potholes why don't

4 you do all ten of them in the 1700 block

5 that you see.

6 MS. FANUCCI: Okay, I'm going to go

7 with that as my motion. Listen, DPW, I love

8 you guys. Do not get all freaked out

9 because I'm making these motions, the

10 problem is --

11 MS. GATELLI: I have to interrupt

12 you, although I don't like to do that, the

13 utilities pay to pave that street.

14 MS. FANUCCI: Right.

15 MS. GATELLI: If they do so much of a

16 percentage of the street, so it's not the

17 DPW it's the utility company, so I suggest

18 that before we do this we get a copy of that

19 ordinance that we have with the utility

20 companies and maybe meet with Parker and

21 check it out because I can't see making the

22 utility companies pave a whole street for

23 two pave cuts, they will flip out.

24 MS. FANUCCI: They will flip out.

25 MS. GATELLI: And then our utility


1 bills will go up.

2 MS. FANUCCI: My problem is if it's a

3 newly paved road and we just spent all that

4 money --

5 MR. COURTRIGHT: Like Luzerne Street.

6 They had another one on Luzerne Street.

7 MS. FANUCCI: And why should we --

8 and that's a problem. I mean, listen,

9 20 years if it wasn't paved it wasn't paved,

10 but I have trouble spending all of this

11 money on paving these roads and in five

12 years everybody is going to be freaked out

13 because we didn't do what we were supposed

14 to do, so it's something we need to look at.

15 MS. EVANS: Well, here tonight is the

16 example, I'm Beaumont Avenue it was paved in

17 October of 2005 and now it's destroyed

18 because the water literally, the water main

19 break at one end caused the water to shoot

20 through the road and crack it open and shoot

21 up on the other end of the road and so far

22 nothing has been done about it. It's --

23 MS. FANUCCI: So let's look into it.

24 MS. GATELLI: Yeah, let's get a copy

25 of the ordinance.


1 MR. COURTRIGHT: Sit down and talk

2 with John Azeriak, he is the guy that does

3 that.

4 MS. FANUCCI: They are, but it wasn't

5 that, it was a pothole that remark I was

6 worried about that they are going to be mad

7 about not saying that they are not filling

8 the potholes and you are doing a wonderful

9 job and we love all of you, but just the

10 people that I'm worried about are not, you

11 know, we spend so much money and we live in

12 a place where there is like a potholes the

13 rest of our entire lives, but when he spend

14 a fortune on paving and then it's all ripped

15 part it bother me. It's a problem. See,

16 you guys were missing me for two weeks,

17 didn't you?

18 MS. GATELLI: It is a problem.

19 MS. FANUCCI: One more thing, where

20 is Lee? Did he leave, Mr. Moran? He could

21 not even wait. Lee, when you are watching

22 at home, the parks and recreation program

23 that we are putting together we finally got

24 to getting a director. Danielle Joyce has

25 agreed that she would participate and help


1 us out there. She helped run a children's

2 museum, so I think she is a great person for

3 this. What they decided was, I don't think

4 feel that this is going to be a whole summer

5 long project, I don't see us having five or

6 six weeks, my theory is that we might get

7 two, two full weeks out of it, but, you

8 know, times of day and everything that stuff

9 has not been worked out yet, but the parks

10 program is starting, it will not be in a

11 park in the city, this is the first year, we

12 are trying to piggyback onto some things

13 that are happening at the museum and I know

14 that there was some problems with employees,

15 the boys and girls club that that was a

16 problem, people were worried about competing

17 with them with this program. This is a

18 whole different type of program and I do

19 believe that this actually would help them.

20 They can come here maybe after and that's

21 what I'm trying to do. I'm trying to

22 coordinate when their program is over maybe

23 ours will start, that way it will keep

24 everyone happy. So, that is still in works

25 and we are working hard on it and hopefully


1 I will have more on that maybe in the next

2 two weeks.

3 MS. EVANS: Mrs. Fanucci, before you

4 end I think we have to vote on your motion

5 or you have to withdrawn the motion.

6 MS. FANUCCI: Let's vote on it, what

7 the heck? I'm not even sure what it was at

8 this point.

9 MS. GATELLI: I don't know that it

10 had a second.

11 MS. FANUCCI: Nobody seconded that.

12 Let's withdraw that motion and look into it

13 and see, I just was furious because I

14 actually was driving down here tonight and

15 watching them just like, you know, go at

16 another road and I'm thinking here we go

17 again and it's going to be our fault next

18 year, we didn't do any paving. So, all

19 right. We'll look into it.

20 MS. GATELLI: Mr. McTiernan?

21 MR. MCTIERNAN: Thank you, Mrs.

22 Gatelli. First of all, I'm looking at some

23 letters that were regarding the railroad

24 crossing on Luzerne Street and we did speak

25 about those at our last meeting, but I think


1 we would be remiss in not thanking Mr.

2 Pocius, former councilman, for his efforts

3 regarding the placement of those railroad

4 crossings.

5 Secondly, I'd like to recognize

6 Mr. Tim McHale from Scranton High School and

7 th wood shop classes at Scranton High School

8 for generously donating their time and their

9 efforts towards the building of the benches

10 for the Greenridge Junior City Council

11 project.

12 Third of all, just a brief comment

13 regarding last week we had a meeting

14 scheduled with the law department and public

15 safety director, Mr. Hayes, and our hope was

16 to assess the impact of the police and fire

17 arbitrations and as Mrs. Gatelli points out,

18 and I had some conversations along the same

19 line, that we were hoping to have those

20 caucus meetings rescheduled so we can

21 determine specific costs and my hope is that

22 we look at the costs of the arbitration

23 awards and we compare them with the costs of

24 losing the arbitration award and the

25 implementation of those grants and I'm


1 hoping that the business administrator's

2 office can give us some specific examples on

3 both sides of the coin so that we can make a

4 more informed decision so that caucus is

5 forthcoming.

6 Mrs. Garvey, would you do me a

7 favor, some speakers today mentioned concern

8 over the American Anglican award and what it

9 would cost, could you contact the Sewer

10 Authority, the board of the Sewer Authority,

11 and ask them specifically what the plan is

12 to pay that award and if they could give us

13 an approximate cost during that time frame

14 per rate payer, I think we acknowledge that

15 there will be a cost to pay for that and it

16 will be derived from the monthly sewer bills

17 that each rate payer pays and it would be

18 nice if folks had an idea of what the

19 projected cost per rate payer might be.

20 MS. EVANS: I think though wasn't it

21 our understanding that the sewer authority

22 owns nothing, it's owed by the municipality

23 of Scranton and the Borough of Dunmore and I

24 believe the plan that's currently in

25 discussion phases anyway is that the city


1 would lease the storm water system to the

2 sewer authority and in so doing the sewer

3 authority then will increase the rates for

4 the rate payers of both Scranton and

5 Dunmore, so though we may not see let's say

6 a tax increase as a result or additional

7 borrowing, you are going to see an increase

8 in the rates that you pay to the sewer

9 authority so actually you are paying for it

10 one way or the another.

11 MR. MCTIERNAN: That's why I'm

12 asking, I am aware of that plan, and my hope

13 is so that the public understands that the

14 -- as I understand it the plan is that this

15 award is going to be stretched out through

16 borrowing over a number of years and it may

17 make it more palatable, although, not

18 acceptable that we will have a specific

19 dollar figure attached to those bills over

20 the next number of years and I think the

21 taxpayers, i.e., the rate payers as well

22 would at least like to know what that plan

23 is and I have heard a lot of numbers thrown

24 around but I think that's important that

25 they know what that cost, so if we could


1 just get that rough assessment after the

2 deal is done, after the borrowing, the

3 proposed borrowing or at least that program

4 is completed what it's estimated each rate

5 payer might see over time.

6 MS. EVANS: And if you could add to

7 that because I remember at the time the

8 renewal of the contract was being discussed

9 the Sewer Authority wanted counsel's

10 permission to conduct an inventory and part

11 of that inventory would have been an

12 assessment of the storm water system and

13 it's worth, but yet I don't believe we have

14 ever been notified of a dollar figure in

15 terms of the worth of that system, so I

16 would like to know exactly what they had

17 determined, if anything, at this point.

18 MR. MCTIERNAN: And two other things,

19 first of all, some information about the

20 Sloan little league situation, I'm trying to

21 keep abreast of that as best I can, I have

22 had some conversations with some folks and

23 I'd like to clarify a few issues. First of

24 all, I did obtain a copy of the Scranton

25 school district's resolution and there were


1 a few areas that I would just like to point

2 out for the record, although this is a

3 public record with the school district, I'd

4 like to further enter it into the record

5 where the school district is recognizing in

6 their resolution that this proposed

7 acquisition of this property if, indeed, it

8 goes through would be subject to the Project

9 70 Act that we have all discussed and talked

10 about. The district's resolution also talks

11 about other entities including the Sloan

12 little league having an interest and

13 continuing to utilize the field for their

14 purposes and it's not the intention of the

15 district to preclude the Sloan little league

16 association with the use of it's premises,

17 etcetera. Some other things that I want to

18 at least bring to light as I understand

19 these are the facts that have been related

20 to me or comments that have been relayed to

21 me so I can only give you the information as

22 best as I can recall it, but I did speak

23 with some members of the Sloan little league

24 community and they appear to be -- they

25 appear to basically be satisfied with a few


1 little additions or additional conversations

2 with the meeting that was held last night

3 with school director Catherine McWiggin and

4 there were just a few things that I would

5 like to point out as I spoke with the school

6 district CEO Mr. Sheridan and some of the

7 Sloan little league folks. It's important

8 for everyone to understand that the school

9 district physically doesn't have a use for

10 the little league field, the farm field and

11 the missy field as I understand it. Again,

12 I'm representing conversations that I've had

13 with other people. There are certain

14 measurements that are required for PIAA,

15 high school baseball. A little league

16 field, a farm league field do not make those

17 minimum dimensions, so it would not be

18 feasible or useable for the school district

19 to enter into disrupting those fields

20 because they are not large enough by any

21 stretch of the imagination so that's

22 important for folks to understand.

23 I did take an opportunity to visit

24 the Sloan little league field and it is in

25 marginal condition at best. It might even


1 be considered dangerous in some areas, so I

2 would say that the repair of that field if

3 it were to be acquired by the school

4 district would be a benefit to the entire

5 complex plus there is certainly an element

6 of at least potential liability because we

7 have a field that has been neglected,

8 sovereign immunity certainly protects us in

9 certain avenues as our solicitor would point

10 out, but negligence may not be something we

11 are protected by, so I think it's a win-win

12 situation as I understand it the district is

13 committing to a substantial improvement in

14 that complex and I think it would be hard to

15 believe that the district would put several

16 hundred thousands dollars into the teener

17 league field and then have the rest of the

18 complex in disrepair as the district would

19 not want to have a property that did not

20 represent itself well, so I think the little

21 league might benefit in the long run. I

22 think you can imagine that if the school

23 district were to enter into agreements to

24 purchase bleachers I would imagine that some

25 of these bleachers would end up near the


1 little league, the farm league and the missy

2 league. It's in the school district's best

3 interest that it develop proper toileting

4 facilities which would benefit the little

5 league in general because, again, if the

6 district is going to be in possession of

7 that field they need to provide facilities

8 for the spectators that come to those

9 fields, so I think there are collateral or

10 ancillary benefits that the Sloan little

11 league would enjoy if the school district

12 were to own that.

13 And I probably need to point out

14 that I don't necessarily have a stake in it,

15 I'm just pointing out some conversations

16 that I had with CEO, so I think the benefits

17 to the entire complex are significant. I'd

18 also like to add this is different from the

19 south side complex because this sale is not

20 to a private entity it's to a public entity,

21 the school district and the citizens, the

22 taxpayers would still have an opportunity

23 for regress of their grievances at school

24 board meetings and the public, the taxpayers

25 still have an opportunity to vote for or


1 against school board members regarding this

2 purchase. So this is not like the south

3 side sale in that regard that it is to a

4 private institution.

5 And, second of all, I think we all

6 realize, not second of all, but continuing

7 on, the little leagues are dwindling. I

8 think -- my son plays little league and I

9 think I can speak with some accuracy that

10 almost every little league in the area has

11 had to consolidate. They have reduced the

12 number of teams because of lack of

13 participation. I am under the understanding

14 form all of the folks that I talked with at

15 Sloan that they are doing some interleague

16 play in order to bolster the schedule, so my

17 point there is the school district's

18 injection of money into that facility is

19 probably a good thing I would agree with

20 someone who said earlier, I think

21 Mrs. Gatelli, that we would be paying for

22 this property twice if the school district

23 does intend to acquire a field somewhere, so

24 I think that -- and then, finally, there is

25 some private institutions I guess that are


1 looking to use sites. As a further part of

2 this discussion I think we can say at that

3 there are other teener leagues in the city

4 that could use the injection of cash, for

5 example, the Lackawanna County teener

6 league, I can't speak for them, of course, I

7 haven't spoken with them directly, but if

8 one of the local private entities that is

9 interested in the Sloan field there are

10 certainly other teener league fields that we

11 can spread that around and geographically I

12 don't think it matters whether you are in

13 the St. Ann's area or on the Keyser Valley

14 area, it's relatively close when you come

15 from across town, so they are just some

16 details regarding the Sloan little league

17 acquisition by the school district of that

18 property that they are facts as I understand

19 them and I think they are worth clearing up.

20 And, finally, a little long winded

21 tonight, permit parking, there were some

22 representatives here from North Washington

23 Avenue, and I' mm sure Mrs. Evans can

24 probably give me the location specifically,

25 but they were represented by Mrs. Cecci and


1 we have asked unilaterally that as council

2 as a body that permit parking signs went out

3 there and I'm wondering if, Kay, you could

4 find out whether or not the proper

5 departments are going to respond to that and

6 place those permit parking signs at

7 council's request.

8 MS. GARVEY: Okay.

9 MR. MCTIERNAN: That was passed

10 unanimously by motion and --

11 MS. EVANS: Yes.

12 MR. MCTIERNAN: And we are

13 essentially circumventing the process by

14 having a motion asking for them, but I don't

15 know whether they are going to honor it. If

16 not, then we should find a way to expedite

17 the study of that complaint by those

18 citizens, and that's all I have. Thank you.

19 MS. GATELLI: Thank you.

20 MS. EVANS: Just one thing I wanted

21 to add to that, I believe in the most recent

22 CDBGL locations Sloan little league received

23 a large sum of money from the City of

24 Scranton to maintain and renovate their

25 fields, so in actuality I don't believe that


1 they need the assistance of the school

2 district to come in so much and do that for

3 them. There has been two years worth of

4 allocations there, but more importantly, I

5 also remember, and this is a fact, that two

6 years ago I attended a meeting of both --

7 well, of the Sloan Little League Association

8 and some representatives of the Scranton

9 School District who stated to the officials

10 and members of Sloan Little League, hey, we

11 came here to do you a favor by taking your

12 fields, and the people who were present did

13 not feel that that was a favor because they

14 didn't even know that their fields were

15 being eyed up for a takeover. And, in

16 addition to that, I was just at Sloan Little

17 League last weekend and I would say there

18 was a tremendous turnout in terms of

19 children and parents, you know, maybe it has

20 been a merger, but I'll tell you what, there

21 were great numbers of children there ready

22 to begin the season on that Saturday

23 afternoon, so I don't think they are lacking

24 participation.

25 MR. MCTIERNAN: The only thing I


1 would like to say about that is I am not

2 trying to characterize this in a way that

3 this is a negative proposal for the Sloan

4 Little League or for the Scranton School

5 District. I am presenting the facts and I

6 am hopeful, as most of us who have children

7 who have gone through the little league

8 system and it's a great system for our kids

9 to be a part of, I think that the die is

10 cast, the representatives from the school

11 district and Sloan Little League will be

12 able to take care of that and I think those

13 are the folks that should be talking. We,

14 of course, have some standing here, but I

15 think it's a misrepresentation that they ise

16 trying to be some overtaking and I hope that

17 there is productive discussions between

18 Sloan Little League and between Scranton

19 School District and our body the City of

20 Scranton and help those folks come to a

21 satisfactory resolution to this issue.

22 MS. EVANS: Well, I think we do have

23 standing in this in that we represent not

24 the school district, we are employees of the

25 school district, but the school district has


1 a school board that represents it. We as

2 city council are here to represent the

3 citizens of Scranton and we must approve of

4 such a sale, so it is quite pertinent to

5 this body, but I think in addition to that

6 as Mr. McTiernan noted earlier this is

7 Project 70 land and I don't know if anyone

8 has the right to be conducting such a sale

9 and I think this will require some type of

10 state legislation to provide for such a sale

11 and to conduct a sale without that type of

12 state agreement is very fool hearty because

13 it can cause penalties to be inflicted on

14 both parties, so I really don't like this

15 rush to judgment putting the cart before the

16 horse. I do hope both sides come to an

17 agreement, but I'm not budging on this until

18 I hear that people that I represent, I am an

19 employee of the Scranton School District, I

20 realize that, and I realize I'm sticking my

21 neck out here, but I also realize that in

22 this position on this evening I represent

23 these people and I'm here to protect their

24 interests in it.

25 MS. GATELLI: Is there anything


1 else? Mr. Courtright?

2 MR. COURTRIGHT: Yes. Kay, I know

3 last week we sent a letter to Mr. Lynardy

4 about where the police cars were that we

5 were we supposed to get, I don't believe you

6 got an answer back, have you?


8 MR. COURTRIGHT: Could we send him

9 another letter also to David Elliott and see

10 if he can update on this, it has been quite

11 sometime since these cars have been ordered

12 or they are supposedly ordered. Could we

13 find out have they been ordered, when they

14 will get here and I would like to know that

15 as soon as possible.

16 And just one more thing, Kay, at the

17 corner of Dale Avenue and Luzerne Street

18 they have a lot of trouble on Dale Avenue

19 over the years and I have brought it up many

20 times, but now at the corner of Dale and

21 Luzerne the road is broken up so much that

22 there is at least 50 chunks of blacktop just

23 laying there in the road so if we could get

24 the DPW we can call in the morning and see

25 if they can up there and clean it up and


1 patch it, I think it needs immediate

2 attention, and that's all I have. Thank

3 you.

4 MS. GATELLI: I'm sure that many of

5 you in the audience and the people at home

6 received the same thing in their PG Energy

7 bill as I did, "Notice of proposed rate

8 changes." PG energy is filing a request

9 with the Pennsylvania Utility Commission to

10 increase your gas rates by 8.64 percent."

11 On the back it says, "You can file a

12 formal complaint. If you want to a hearing

13 before a judge you must file a formal

14 complaint. By filing a formal complaint you

15 assure yourself the opportunity to take part

16 in hearings about the rate increase

17 request."

18 I am going to make a motion that

19 this council send a letter to the PUC that

20 we are formally objecting to any rate

21 increase and that we be notified of the

22 hearings.

23 MR. COURTRIGHT: I'll second it.

24 MS. GATELLI: On the question? I'd

25 just like to say that through the years in


1 the neighborhood associations there was a

2 man from Tripps Park named Gene Melino, and

3 if any of you know Gene represented us at

4 all of the PUC hearings. Since Gene's death

5 no one has taken up the slack,

6 unfortunately, and the hearings are no

7 longer conducted in Scranton. I have been

8 looking in the paper for various hearings

9 and they are always in Wilkes-Barre, so I'd

10 also like to put in, I guess I'll amend the

11 motion, that we have hearings, start to have

12 hearings in Scranton also into that motion.

13 MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.

14 MS. GATELLI: All in favor? Aye.



17 MS. EVANS: Aye.

18 MS. FANUCCI: Aye.

19 MS. GATELLI: Opposed? The ayes have

20 it and so moved and we will be witnesses at

21 the hearing. I thought that was very, very

22 important.

23 The second thing is I'd like to ask

24 Mr. Krushefski for only the amortization

25 page from all of the outstanding bond issues


1 for the City of Scranton. I'd also like to

2 thank by name since Mr. McTiernan did it I

3 mustn't let West Scranton be left in the

4 dust and I'd like to thank Mr. Pat Krake for

5 making our bench that we donated to the

6 audience it was really beautiful and I'm

7 surprised it made it over there and not to

8 709 Connell Street because I really wanted

9 it.

10 MR. MCTIERNAN: I think one of the

11 Krakes was recently nominated for teacher of

12 the year award.

13 MS. GATELLI: Walmart teacher of th

14 year, his twin brother, Mike Krake, so

15 congratulations to him, top. I'd just like

16 to make one other motion that I know there

17 is some UDAC money left over because we

18 hadn't spent it all and I'd like to make a

19 motion to transfer $20,000 to the Shade Tree

20 Commission. Mr. Santolli does a wonderful

21 job and as you see every week there is

22 people talking about trees that are a

23 problem and a big problem is that we don't

24 have any money in the Shade Tree Commission

25 so I'd like to make a motion to have Mayor


1 Doherty draw up the proper legislation to

2 present to this council to transfer $20,000

3 to the Shade Tree Commission.

4 MS. FANUCCI: Second.

5 MS. GATELLI: On the question? All

6 in favor?


8 MS. EVANS: Yes.



11 MS. GATELLI: Opposed? The ayes have

12 it and so moved. Now, I just have to get my

13 two cents in about the Sloan Little League

14 again since we are going back and forth

15 here. I don't think it's anyone's benefit

16 up here to go against the little league, no

17 one up here is going to say that they don't

18 want the little league there. The point is

19 that there is also children who live in West

20 Scranton who are also taxpayers that don't

21 have a place to play and if there is room

22 there then I can't see why adults cannot

23 agree to both use the field. They are

24 students, too, their parents are taxpayers,

25 too, if we have to go buy a field we are all


1 going to pay for it when there is one up

2 there for free, so, you know, I'm just

3 hoping that they can all agree and that no

4 one gets hurt and I don't believe anyone up

5 here is going to vote for the little league

6 to be put out of there, and I said that

7 publically, also, so there is three votes

8 already so it ain't going to happen. The

9 Sloan Little League is not going to be put

10 out and I will not vote and two other people

11 up here stated that they will not vote for

12 that, so we will look at the resolution and

13 we will make sure that the little league is

14 taken care of, but, please, I'm begging you

15 to consider the students at West Scranton

16 High School. Their parents are taxpayers,

17 those kids probably played on their little

18 league so let's all try to get along, let's

19 try all try to work together and see if we

20 can't get a resolution.

21 MS. EVANS: I agree with that. In

22 fact, within some families you have children

23 who are playing little league and who have

24 older brothers and sisters who are students

25 at the high school, and there was a point in


1 time when both entities used those fields

2 and that didn't stop until the school

3 district suddenly out of the blue said to

4 that little league, "Hey, I'm going to do

5 you a favor and take those fields from you."

6 MS. GATELLI: Well, let's forget

7 that.

8 MS. EVANS: Oh, I can't forget it

9 because I was there.

10 MS. GATELLI: Well, it's over now.

11 MS. EVANS: So that's what the fear

12 is, they already went through this once.

13 MS. GATELLI: Well, it's in writing

14 now. It wasn't in writing then.

15 MS. EVANS: Well, I'm sorry, but I'm

16 going to have to see it all and read it all

17 just like doubting Thomas because --

18 MS. GATELLI: You'll see it and

19 you'll read it or we won't pass it.

20 MS. EVANS: I have seen enough of

21 what went on in the past and these people

22 have very good reason to face this with fear

23 and trepidation.

24 MS. GATELLI: Kay?












10 MS. GATELLI: At this time I will

11 entertain a motion that 5-B be introduced.

12 MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.

13 MS. FANUCCI: Second.

14 MS. GATELLI: On the question?

15 MR. COURTRIGHT: On the question I

16 make a motion that we schedule a public

17 hearing on this piece of legislation next

18 week, May 25, 2006, at 6:15 an authorize the

19 city clerk to place the necessary items in

20 the Scranton Times.

21 MS. FANUCCI: Second.

22 MS. GATELLI: All those in favor?

23 Aye.

24 MS. EVANS: Aye.

25 MS. FANUCCI: Aye.




3 MS. GATELLI: The ayes have it and

4 so moved.







11 20 FEET.

12 MS. GATELLI: At this time I will

13 entertain a motion that 5-C be introduced.

14 MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.

15 MS. FANUCCI: Second.

16 MS. GATELLI: On the question.

17 MR. COURTRIGHT: We have to send this

18 ordinance to the city planning commission

19 and the Lackawanna County Regional Planning

20 Commission for their review prior to

21 conducting a public hearing, so I'll make a

22 motion that we are send this ordinance to

23 them and ask that the city clerk make the

24 necessary arrangements for the public

25 hearing and any advertisement that may be


1 needed.

2 MS. FANUCCI: Second.

3 MS. GATELLI: All in favor? Aye.

4 MS. EVANS: Aye.




8 MS. GATELLI: The ayes have it and

9 so moved.



12 PROPERTY AT -- do you want to say anything

13 prior to reading this?

14 MR. COURTRIGHT: Prior to reading 5-D

15 on the agenda I'd like to make a motion to

16 change the name of the street from Bulcher

17 Street to Blucher Avenue in the heading as

18 well as the body of this ordinance.






24 PENNSYLVANIA, 18505, FOR THE SUM OF $800.00.

25 MS. GATELLI: At this time I'll


1 entertain a motion that 5-D be introduced.

2 MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.

3 MS. FANUCCI: Second.

4 MS. GATELLI: On the question? All

5 those in favor? Aye.

6 MS. EVANS: Aye.




10 MS. GATELLI: The ayes have it and

11 so moved.







18 06-234 IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $25,000 TO



21 MS. GATELLI: At this time I'll

22 entertain a motion that 5-E be introduced.

23 MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.

24 MS. FANUCCI: Second.

25 MS. GATELLI: On the question? All


1 those in favor? Aye.

2 MS. EVANS: Aye.




6 MS. GATELLI: The ayes have it and

7 so moved.





12 33, 2006 - AN ORDINANCE - SALE OF TAX




16 PENNSYLVANIA, 18512, FOR THE SUM OF $2,000.

17 MS. GATELLI: What is the

18 recommendation of the chairperson on

19 finance?

20 MR. MCTIERNAN: Recommend final

21 passage of item 7-A.

22 MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.

23 MS. GATELLI: On the question? Roll

24 call?

25 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Evans?


1 MRS. EVANS: Yes.

2 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Fanucci?


4 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. McTiernan?


6 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. Courtright?


8 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Gatelli?

9 MS. GATELLI: Yes. I hereby declare

10 7-A legally and lawfully adopted.








18 $1,100.00.

19 MS. GATELLI: What is the

20 recommendation of the chairperson on

21 finance?

22 MR. MCTIERNAN: Recommend final

23 passage of Item 7-B.

24 MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.

25 MS. GATELLI: On the question? Roll


1 call.

2 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Evans?

3 MRS. EVANS: Yes.

4 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Fanucci?


6 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. McTiernan?


8 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. Courtright?


10 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Gatelli?

11 MS. GATELLI: Yes. I hereby declare

12 7-B legally and lawfully adopted.








20 MS. GATELLI: What is the

21 recommendation of the chairperson on public

22 works.

23 MS. EVANS: As chair for the

24 committee on public works I'd recommend

25 final passage of Item 7-C.



2 MS. GATELLI: On the question? Roll

3 call.

4 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Evans?

5 MRS. EVANS: Yes.

6 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Fanucci?


8 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. McTiernan?


10 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. Courtright?


12 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Gatelli?

13 MS. GATELLI: Yes. I hereby declare

14 7-C legally and lawfully adopted.











25 2007.


1 MS. GATELLI: As chairperson for the

2 committee on rules I recommend final passage

3 of 7-D.


5 MS. GATELLI: On the question? Roll

6 call?

7 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Evans?

8 MRS. EVANS: Yes.

9 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Fanucci?

10 MS. FANUCCI: Yes.

11 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. McTiernan?


13 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. Courtright?


15 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Gatelli?

16 MS. GATELLI: Yes. I hereby declare

17 7-D legally and lawfully adopted.













4 MS. GATELLI: As chairperson for the

5 Committee on Rules I recommend final passage

6 of 7-E.

7 MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.

8 MR. MCTIERNAN: Second.

9 MS. GATELLI: On the question? Roll

10 call?

11 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Evans?

12 MRS. EVANS: Yes.

13 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Fanucci?

14 MS. FANNUCI: Yes.

15 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. McTiernan?


17 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. Courtright?


19 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Gatelli?

20 MS. GATELLI: Yes. I hereby declare

21 7-E legally and lawfully adopted.










5 MS. GATELLI: As chairperson for the

6 Committee on Rules I recommend passage of

7 7-F.


9 MS. GATELLI: On the question? Roll

10 call?

11 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Evans?

12 MRS. EVANS: Yes.

13 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Fanucci?

14 MS. FANUCCI: Yes.

15 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. McTiernan?


17 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. Courtright?


19 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Gatelli?

20 MS. GATELLI: Yes. I hereby declare

21 7-F legally and lawfully adopted.












7 MS. GATELLI: As the chairperson for

8 committee on rules I recommend passage of

9 7-G.

10 MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.

11 MS. GATELLI: On the question? Roll

12 call?

13 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Evans?

14 MRS. EVANS: Yes.

15 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Fanucci?

16 MS. FANNUCI: Yes.

17 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. McTiernan?


19 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. Courtright?


21 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Gatelli?

22 MS. GATELLI: Yes. I hereby declare

23 7-G legally and lawfully adopted. Do I have

24 a motion to adjourn?



1 before you adjourn I'm sorry that I was

2 late, may I please speak?

3 MS. GATELLI: No, you are not allowed

4 to speak, only at public participation, I'm

5 sorry. You can talk to us after the

6 meeting.


8 be fine.

9 MS. GATELLI: Do I have a second?

10 MS. FANUCCI: Second.

11 MS. GATELLI: All in favor? Meeting

12 adjourned.















1 C E R T I F I C A T E


3 I hereby certify that the proceedings and

4 evidence are contained fully and accurately in the

5 notes of testimony taken by me at the hearing of the

6 above-captioned matter and that the foregoing is a true

7 and correct transcript of the same to the best of my

8 ability.