5 Held:

6 Thursday, May 4, 2006



9 Time:

10 6:30 p.m.



13 Location:

14 Council Chambers

15 Scranton City Hall

16 340 North Washington Avenue

17 Scranton, Pennsylvania





22 Lisa M. Graff, RMR

23 Court Reporter






























1 MS. GATELLI: Okay. Please stand for

2 the Pledge Of Allegiance. Please remain standing for a

3 moment of reflection. Roll call.

4 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Evans.

5 MS. EVANS: Here.

6 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Fanucci.

7 Mr. McTiernan.


9 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. Courtright.


11 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Gatelli.

12 MS. GATELLI: Present. I would just

13 like to inform the public that Mrs. Fanucci wrote us a

14 letter today. She is absent due to a health-related

15 issue. Thank you.

16 And I'd also like to make a motion that

17 Mrs. Evans be the temporary chair for community

18 development this evening.

19 MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.

20 MS. GATELLI: On the question? All in

21 favor.

22 MS. EVANS: Aye.



25 MS. GATELLI: Aye. Opposed? The ayes


1 have it and so moved. Dispense with the reading of the

2 minutes.

3 MS. GARVEY: Third order. Mine is not

4 working. Wait a minute. Third order, there's no

5 business at this time. And there are no clerk's notes

6 to report this week.

7 MS. GATELLI: Thank you. I have some

8 items I'd like to discuss, the first thing is, I would

9 like to thank the Girls Scouts, the Scranton Pocono

10 Girl Scouts Council from Madison Avenue. They have

11 been so kind as to donate $250 in lieu of taxes. We

12 certainly do appreciate all the people that are

13 volunteering without even being asked. It's really

14 wonderful that they care so much about our community,

15 and I'd like to thank them.

16 The next item is starting tomorrow, the

17 art galleries are sponsoring a free trolley ride

18 through the downtown between six and eight o'clock

19 tomorrow night.

20 Some of the stores will be open, and

21 the trolley will take you to the various art galleries

22 and the various stores. And I have a flier here, if

23 anyone else would care to look at it, but it involves

24 some of the stores in the downtown, and it will have

25 some of the artists' work.


1 The second thing is the VFW Post 25 has

2 invited everyone to a Memorial Day tribute on May 29 at

3 noon at Nay Aug Park.

4 The next item is I finally received an

5 answer from PEL. In the letter they stated that they

6 have received to date from the state $1,747,602.

7 As you can see, that's quite a bit of

8 money, and the Recovery Plan still hasn't done anything

9 for our community. Maybe they should have donated that

10 $1.7 million to the citizens.

11 I also don't think that that -- I don't

12 think that it's an accurate amount. I think that it is

13 higher, so I have some people investigating that that

14 have some know-how and some innovative ways of looking

15 for things like that. So, that's still on hold,

16 because I don't think it's correct, but that's what the

17 letter said.

18 Tripps Park, no further punch list

19 items have been addressed to date.

20 FCore, someone asked about FCore, it

21 has been condemned by the SRA, and the owner has filed

22 preliminary objections.

23 There was a telephone pole leaning over

24 near the Hollywood Tan on the top of Green Ridge

25 Street. That has been reported to P&L.


1 I have a meeting schedule d, I don't

2 see Mr. Ancherani here yet, but I have a meeting

3 scheduled with Lisa Moran and Ann Marie Stulgis next

4 week concerning the Veterans' pay. I did that, because

5 I was getting conflicting answers. I'd go to one

6 person and get one story, one person and get another

7 story, so I said instead of going back and forth, maybe

8 we should get together and bring all your papers and

9 we'll see what's what. If any other Council member

10 would like to come with me, please let me know.

11 The next thing is the meeting on the

12 arbitration. I did meet with the mayor and several of

13 his cabinet concerning the arbitration, but I think

14 that all of Council should be involved in that

15 concerning Council's idea not to appeal the

16 arbitration.

17 So, the mayor said for Council to get

18 together and pick a time that's convenient, and we will

19 meet in executive session to discuss the negotiations

20 with the police department.

21 So, we'll get together after the

22 meeting and decide on a date. Probably next week

23 before the meeting is convenient for everybody.

24 The other thing that I wanted to tell

25 you is about the 500 block of Lackawanna Avenue.


1 Mr. Rinaldi did meet with the mayor yesterday. They

2 are finalizing the grant application that is to go to

3 the state. And when that is finalized, John Blake from

4 the governor's office will come here with Mr. Rinaldi

5 and we will get full details as to what the project

6 actually is.

7 And the last thing is, the potholes

8 that were repaired this week, 1100 Ash Street,

9 800 Roberts court, 400 of Birch Street, Alpha Street,

10 Hamm Court and Pear Street, 1415 Pine Street,

11 1828 Ferdinand, North Main and Philo, South Main and

12 Luzerne, New Street and Wyoming, 1400 block of Church

13 Street, 400 of Walsh Street, Cherry Street, 800 of

14 Morgan Court, 700 of Boland Court, 900 of Spellman, 900

15 of Roundwood, 1500 Oram, 1100 Fairfield, 1403 St. Ann,

16 1000 Blair, 700 Forrest, 700 Monroe, 1000 and 1100 of

17 Harrington, Main and Price, 1400 of Dorothy, 400 of

18 New Street, and Wolfe Court.

19 And, also, the railroad crossing that

20 Mrs. Jones talked about last week at Cherry and

21 Washington will be -- they are putting arms on there

22 and will probably go out to bid next month, and it will

23 be done before the end of the year. I talked to Larry

24 Malski of the Lackawanna County Railroad Authority.

25 And that's all I have. Does anyone else have?


1 MS. EVANS: Yes.

2 MS. GATELLI: Mrs. Evans.

3 MS. EVANS: First, on May 6, 2006 at

4 the Holy Rosary Auditorium in North Scranton, there

5 will be a community fundraiser to benefit Brittany

6 Gallagher, daughter of Kevin and Robin Gallagher of

7 North Scranton in her continued fight with an ongoing

8 illness requiring numerous surgical and medical

9 treatments.

10 The proceeds will assist the Gallagher

11 Family in offsetting the costs associated with the

12 surgeries and the extended stay away from home. All

13 donations will be greatly appreciated and will go a

14 long way in helping our community to help our friends.

15 As we stated, the Gallagher Family

16 cannot do this alone, and with your help, they won't

17 have to. Thank you in advance for your kindness and

18 generosity. And, any checks may be made payable to the

19 Brittany Gallagher Benefit.

20 Also, volunteers are needed for John

21 Denver's Earth Camp for kids scheduled for the week of

22 June 19 through 23 from 9 a.m. to 4 p.m. each day.

23 The camp will be held at Nay Aug Park in Scranton and

24 will serve children in grades three through six.

25 Volunteers will assist the campers with the many


1 environmentally focused activities planned throughout

2 the week. And you can contact Mrs. Ann Marie McCrone

3 at 961-2794, 961-2794, if you are interested in

4 volunteering for that project.

5 And on Sunday May 7, 2006 at 1:30 at

6 Scranton High School, there will be a fundraiser for

7 Michael Hall, a student at West Scranton Immediate

8 School who is trying to raise money to attend the

9 People to People International Ambassador Program.

10 This particular event is being very

11 generously run and sponsored by school resource

12 officers. So, I'm hoping that I'll see many of you

13 there.

14 And then lastly, I wanted to bring up

15 an issue that seems to be, oh, maybe a bit troublesome

16 for some individuals.

17 Over the past several months, I have

18 received complaints from city residents, specifically

19 senior citizens, about houses without address numbers.

20 They are very worried that emergency vehicles,

21 specifically ambulances, fire trucks, and police

22 vehicles experience slower response times as they

23 search for address numbers on homes.

24 Now, I had made that request, as I

25 said, a few months back, and because the Department of


1 Licensing inspections and permits are terribly

2 overworked and understaffed, it's difficult for them to

3 actually be able to send all of the workers out simply

4 on that mission, so their response was when they would

5 notice such a situation, numbers missing, that they

6 would speak with the homeowner and request that they

7 would put numbers on their house.

8 And then as the months past, again,

9 senior citizens approached me and asked why nothing had

10 occurred, you know, that the same houses still lacked

11 the address numbers, and, so, I brought it up again and

12 Council, I believe, two weeks ago, in the hope that

13 numbers would be placed on every property, so that in

14 the event, God forbid, of any emergency, we're not

15 going to lose anyone or lose a home because our public

16 safety departments can't find that location swiftly

17 enough.

18 But I learned today that the Department

19 of Permits, Inspections and Licensing has been sending,

20 maybe they've conducted a sweep, it would appear to be

21 so from the ZIP code, but, nevertheless, they've sent

22 certified mail to citizens in one section of Scranton.

23 It appears to be West Scranton coincidentally.

24 And I don't know what the letter

25 actually says, but I know that our office received a


1 number of calls today, because in addition to the

2 notification from Permits, Inspections and Licensing,

3 they've also attached a letter stating that it's signed

4 by our city clerk and stating that I had ordered this

5 to be done to them.

6 Well, I'm going to set the record

7 straight tonight, that is not what was ordered. I

8 never at any time specified that letters were to be

9 sent out by certified mail or that individuals were to

10 be cited immediately, because that doesn't occur in any

11 other instance.

12 When an inspector goes out on a call to

13 a home with abandoned -- maybe with junk vehicles that

14 are presenting a safety hazard or something on the

15 property that must be removed, like tires and

16 appliances, et cetera, no one has received this type of

17 treatment.

18 So, I would suggest tonight, since

19 evidently money is being spent on certified mail, I

20 would direct the department to stop sending these

21 certified letters. And what I would prefer to be done

22 is that you take that money and you purchase numbers

23 for homes. And when you conduct a sweep and you see

24 that there are homes lacking addresses, simply post the

25 numbers on the home for the individual, and that solves


1 the problem.

2 And, again, this was not done with the

3 knowledge, consent of any Council member or myself.

4 This has been ordered through the Department of

5 Licensing, Inspections and Permits.

6 And so, for the unfortunate individuals

7 who have been the, let's say, the victims of the office

8 or this misunderstanding, I would suggest that you

9 contact that office and, as I said, if I -- if I am

10 empowered to give orders, my order is buy numbers and

11 post them for people, and the problem is solved very,

12 very easily.

13 Because it was never my intention or

14 anyone else's on this Council to upset any of our city

15 residents. The purpose was to help. But somehow, and

16 I fear because it's election time, somehow this has

17 been twisted and distorted into something it was never

18 meant to be.

19 And, so, I will apologize for that

20 office, and I am hoping that now we have it cleared up

21 and we're just going to do the easy thing and the right

22 thing. Thank you.

23 MS. GATELLI: Thank you. Anyone else?

24 MR. COURTRIGHT: Judy, can I just say

25 one thing, if you don't mind? Kay, before I forget,


1 could we ask Mr. Parker to give us a weekly update on

2 the punch list from the Tripps Park development just so

3 we know how that's progressing, if more things are

4 getting done? I think if we don't keep on top of it,

5 it might just fall to the wayside. So, if he could

6 just on a weekly basis let us know what's going on up

7 there, I'd appreciate that.

8 MS. GARVEY: Okay.

9 MR. COURTRIGHT: Thank you. That's it

10 all.

11 MS. GATELLI: Anyone else?

12 MS. EVANS: Mr. Courtright, we've

13 invited Mr. Parker to a caucus, a public caucus. I

14 don't know that he will attend, but if he does, I'm

15 sure you could devote five or ten minutes of that to a

16 discussion of the Tripp Park development problems.

17 MS. GATELLI: Would anyone from the

18 Junior Council care to speak?

19 MR. MILLER: Good evening, Council.

20 Doug Miller. I would like to remind everyone that this

21 Saturday is our planting and cleanup project at the

22 Green Ridge Islands. I encourage everyone to come down

23 and give us a hand.

24 I would also like to invite all of the

25 City Council members to please come and volunteer. We


1 would appreciate it.

2 Earlier this week I received a phone

3 call from a family member of a student who has also

4 been chosen as a student ambassador to visit and

5 represent our country in Italy, France and Greece this

6 summer.

7 I think it would be appropriate if the

8 kids that are going all receive proclamations after we

9 receive a list of all the students going.

10 Mrs. Evans, you mentioned a student

11 tonight. Myself, as well as the rest of the Council,

12 are very proud of these kids and we wish them the best

13 of luck. Thank you.

14 And at this time if any other Junior

15 Council member would like to address Council, please do

16 so at this time. Thank you.

17 MS. GATELLI: I did receive a note from

18 another mother, her daughter is also going. She's from

19 Scranton High School. Cassandra Brady. She's a

20 freshman.

21 MS. ORGAN: Hello. Katrina Organ, the

22 Junior Council. I'd just like, like Doug said, to

23 invite everyone.

24 Though the project officially starts at

25 11, we could use help from adults to start the


1 preparation, and the Junior Council will be there at

2 nine o'clock, if anyone would like to come early.

3 The rain date for this project is the

4 next Saturday, the 13th. But this rain date will only

5 be used in case of, like, extreme weather. It is

6 supposed to shower, but we're not going to cancel

7 unless it's pouring.

8 We would also like anyone who's coming

9 to bring watering cans, shovels, spades and gardening

10 gloves. Pizza will be served around 12:30 or one

11 o'clock. And that will just be a short break, and then

12 after the completion of the project, we will serve the

13 hot dogs donated by Scooter's Hot Dog Hut. So, I'd

14 just like everyone to come out and have a good time.

15 Thank you.

16 MS. GATELLI: Thank you.

17 MS. EVANS: Thank you.

18 MR. PIAZZA: Good evening, Council.

19 I'm James Piazza from Scranton High School. This

20 Saturday, May 6, the Scranton City Council invites

21 everyone to join us in our planting activity. It will

22 be held at the Green Ridge Islands on Woodlawn Street

23 from eleven to 3 p.m.

24 I would like to thank all the

25 businesses that donated to this event. The businesses


1 that are helping us are making this project successful

2 and an enjoyable experience for everyone.

3 The activity will benefit the City of

4 Scranton by enhancing its appearance. It also shows

5 that we care about our city and want to see it move

6 forward.

7 We are the future leaders who will try

8 to make Scranton the best city around. I have learned

9 a lot from being on the Junior Council, and I am

10 excited by taking action and being part of this

11 beneficial planting activity.

12 By being on the Council, I learned

13 about KOZs, non-profits and many other issues dealing

14 with the city. I look forward to learning more about

15 local government. By all of us working together, we

16 can move Scranton into the future. Thank you.

17 MS. GATELLI: Thank you. Anyone else?

18 Mrs. Garvey.

19 MS. GARVEY: Fourth order. Citizens

20 participation.

21 MS. GATELLI: Don McKeon.

22 MR. MCKEON: Good evening. My name is

23 Don McKeon, and I work for the City of Scranton as a

24 housing inspector in the Department of Licensing and

25 Inspections.


1 I'm here tonight to encourage City

2 Council to take a more proactive approach against the

3 citywide problem of graffiti vandalism which has been

4 increasing lately throughout many of our city

5 neighborhoods.

6 Some of you may know that I have worked

7 for years, both as a city employee, and as a private

8 citizen, in trying my best to eradicate, or at the very

9 least, control this type of activity.

10 I am glad to say that a few years ago

11 the city adopted an amendment to our BOCA property

12 maintenance code, which gives all housing inspectors

13 enforcement capabilities in trying to clean up this

14 blight.

15 Unfortunately it is not perfect, since

16 the obligation to remove the graffiti is left up to the

17 owner of the properties, who themselves have been

18 victimized.

19 I'm here tonight to proposes and

20 encourage the following, number one, that all citizens

21 realize that graffiti vandalism is a crime and should

22 be reported immediately to the police; two, that all

23 businesses in the City of Scranton be reminded that

24 they are prohibited from selling spray paint and/or

25 indelible markers to anyone under the age of 18 as per


1 city ordinance, File of Council No. 63 of the year

2 1996. If convicted, this summary offense carries with

3 it a maximum of $300 fine, that every effort be made to

4 remove the graffiti quickly, as it creates a blight

5 situation in our neighborhoods.

6 It is particularly insidious, in that

7 it not only ages real estate values, but it also saps

8 the spirit of our city.

9 Graffiti vandalism not only destroys

10 the physical fabric of buildings, but the social fabric

11 of communities, that cleaning up graffiti cannot be a

12 one-shot effort.

13 A police crackdown is needed on

14 apprehending these type of vandals. Prevention is key,

15 and I urge that our public schools and/or local police

16 institute cooperative programs which help our young

17 people seek constructive ways to express themselves,

18 that the city itself help in the removal process of

19 graffiti on abandoned buildings and on any city related

20 property by purchasing equipment needed for such

21 removal, that all neighborhood groups throughout the

22 city conduct periodic volunteer cleanups in their

23 respective areas, and finally, that City Council

24 resurrect the now defunct anti-graffiti task force

25 which was comprised of law enforcement officers, city


1 business and community leaders and others who are

2 interested in keeping our city clean and blight free.

3 Thank you.

4 MS. GATELLI: Mr. McKeon, did someone

5 get assigned to you from the police department to help

6 with graffiti?

7 MR. MCKEON: I did receive a name. I

8 have not been in contact yet with that police officer,

9 but, yes, I did receive a name.

10 And what I do is take photos, such as

11 what we see here. Unfortunately you're talking about

12 development in the 500 block of Lackawanna Avenue, and

13 I'm really looking forward to that.

14 This is a planter in the 500 block of

15 Lackawanna Avenue. Clearly visible to anyone coming

16 into the city. And as you can see, this city, though,

17 did try their best to remove this, but I think we lack

18 the proper equipment to be able to do so.

19 That's one example. There are many

20 others which you're free to look at, which, you know,

21 are throughout the city in various areas and certainly

22 need attention.

23 This is a copy, also, of a placard we

24 had made up many, many years ago to give out to

25 businesses which state the ordinance adopted by the


1 city in 1996, telling that graffiti is against the law

2 and what the repercussions are. Thank you for

3 listening.

4 MS. GATELLI: Thank you. Andy

5 Sbaraglia.

6 MR. SBARAGLIA: Good evening. Andy

7 Sbaraglia, citizen of Scranton. Fellow Scrantonians, I

8 see we're Coming back now with the old DPW site, the

9 site we used to own and we leased it for a dollar a

10 year.

11 Under the first contract it was a

12 dollar a year for 198 years, and then was amended to be

13 $600,000. He still has the option of keeping that

14 parcel for 99 years for a dollar, but if he wants to

15 buy it, he has to pay $600,000.

16 Now, I see the mayor again -- first of

17 all, it wasn't a good deal in the beginning for the

18 taxpayers. We owned the DPW site at that point. We

19 don't own one today. We lease one and we paid for it

20 three different times. And what are you going to do?

21 But unfortunately, it's the way it goes. In this city

22 it goes that way.

23 But here's what he wants now. Now, if

24 you read the original, I don't know if anybody read the

25 original, but I did read it, they were supposed to pay


1 $600,000 in one clip.

2 Now, it says, Subject to all terms of

3 this agreement, the authority agrees to sell the

4 property to the Redevelopment for and the Redevelopment

5 agrees to purchase property from the authority and pay

6 therefore the amount of $600,000 to be paid in 20-year

7 lease installments of $30,000.

8 Now, we went from $600,000 down to

9 $30,000, and we don't pay any interest on this money.

10 We don't get a penny interest on this money.

11 Never in my life have I seen it. If

12 you follow this saga from the early beginning, okay,

13 that site was not a KOZ. That was given a KOZ in the

14 second round. That site was appraised originally for

15 over a million and a half. I think it was -- maybe

16 not, maybe $1,200,000, if I remember right, and they

17 claimed they couldn't get any buyers.

18 But at this point now, we are a 1-A

19 city. Our laws are under 1-A. And according to 1-A

20 laws, I had this done with a lawyer at the time this

21 came out, and he said, When they agreed to sell it,

22 they have to offer that property up at public auction.

23 They can't do it behind closed doors.

24 If they declare this property to be no

25 longer needed, then they have to offer for sale.


1 This property is now a KOZ; hence, the

2 value has went up on this piece of parcel. And I

3 believe we should auction it.

4 This property should be auctioned off,

5 like the law allows, instead of close to it. This was

6 a done deal, a back-door deal. This wasn't an upfront

7 deal, or we would never have lost our DPW site. We

8 would have had the new DPW site where the old one is,

9 because that's where it should have been.

10 But unfortunately things in this city

11 always go by way of the back door. Things happen that

12 shouldn't happen, but they did.

13 If you looked at the original

14 legislation on this, there was Spregman Hegweich back

15 there where The Icebox is now, they're built on the

16 Spregman Hegweich site, and that was a KOZ. But the

17 front part of where our buildings were wasn't a KOZ.

18 But when they came around, the state

19 gave out another option for KOZs, that was given a KOZ,

20 even though Burke had already had the option on it.

21 And that's not quite fair.

22 Now that we have a KOZ and we have a

23 piece of property there, I think it should be up for

24 bids and not closed for 30 years -- I mean, 20 years at

25 $30,000. I mean, that's ridiculous.


1 But anyway, let's get on to this $4

2 million grant. Now, I'm not going to say anything

3 wrong with a grant, but what are they going to use --

4 the Parking Authority going to do with this grant for

5 the Medallion? What's the $4 million for, being they

6 already took a bond on it? Why did they need the $4

7 million grant? Is it to pay off the bond? Are the

8 bonds callable?

9 In the legislation it didn't exactly

10 say what they were going to use the money for, other

11 than saying if they use it in the wrong way, we have to

12 pay it back. And there's a good possibility that they

13 can be using it the wrong way, because they already got

14 their money when they sold the bonds.

15 So, I know you're going to be voting on

16 it. I had nothing against the grant. I just wanted to

17 make sure that we are not going to be held up later on

18 saying that you took out the bond. You can't take out

19 a grant to pay off a bond, because they said that

20 before. You can't use CommD money or some kind of

21 money to pay off a debtness. Okay. Thank you.

22 MS. GATELLI: Thank you. Ray Lyman.

23 MR. LYMAN: Raymond Lyman. Wait a

24 minute. I would like to thank City Council, Mr.

25 Santolli and the tree trimming crew for doing a


1 wonderful job, for cutting the trees in the 300 block

2 of Phelps Street. The tree company made a sure -- a

3 wonderful job on trimming the trees from -- a wonderful

4 job on cutting the trees. They did a good job.

5 Now I want to talk about our

6 neighborhood, what happened. Now, last week two kids

7 were hit by a car in front of John Adams, and they --

8 the -- and I know this, because a person told me he

9 witnessed it.

10 And they -- I know that the two kids

11 broke their legs, because it was right in front of the

12 school. And on Ash Street, a kid almost got abducted.

13 He was lucky that the person didn't grab them, but

14 almost got grabbed.

15 And on Capouse Avenue, the guy who does

16 bartending at the Juke Box, his car was set on fire,

17 vandalism. And on Phelps Street, we had people spray

18 painted people's cars.

19 This guy said that it's only a $300

20 fine and that's it. It should be $1,000 fine and three

21 years in jail for selling spray paint. That's my

22 opinion.

23 Now, last Saturday I was coming from

24 town, two people came behind me, and I was robbed. I

25 called the Scranton Police. They took an hour and a


1 half to come to me to -- I should say my house, and it

2 was ridiculous.

3 So, I called my friend Dave, who was a

4 state police officer, and they came to my house within

5 five minutes. I made a report with the State Police,

6 and then I went to the, you know, to look at the books.

7 And they're still, I don't know, they're investigating.

8 The Scranton Police came an hour and a

9 half later. They were outraged that I called the State

10 Police. They said, You shouldn't have did that. And I

11 said to them, well, you should have came within five

12 minutes. I said, if I was a friend of Mayor Doherty,

13 he'd be here in two minutes. And they were hollering

14 at me, and I was a victim.

15 And my uncle, he was a Scranton Police

16 Officer, Richie Keiper, and he died after his job, you

17 know, was off duty. And I think it's kind of

18 ridiculous it took an hour and a half. And I called

19 twice.

20 Tuesday I went down to the 911 center.

21 I asked to get a copy of the tape. The first guy told

22 me they didn't have it. Then I asked the second

23 person. They had it, but they couldn't find it.

24 This is how ridiculous the county

25 commissioners are running that organization. You can't


1 find the tape, but -- I said I called the Scranton

2 Police twice. The first time I called the 348, you

3 know, the number, and then I called 911.

4 And, Mr. Courtright, you are supposed

5 to be part of the Scranton Police, and, in your

6 opinion, Mayor Doherty says there's no crime, and I

7 think this is kind of ridiculous. He don't want to do

8 his job. I think someone else should get in there and

9 do his job or have him impeached.

10 In California they recalled the mayor

11 -- the governor out of California for not doing his

12 job. I think we can recall this mayor out. He's not

13 doing his job. Crime is running rampant in this city,

14 and people are getting hurt.

15 MS. GATELLI: Mr. Lyman, I just have a

16 question for you, don't you have a community justice

17 program in Pine Brook?

18 MR. LYMAN: No.

19 MS. GATELLI: I read about it in the

20 paper.

21 MR. COURTRIGHT: That police substation

22 is closed. When Mary Chilipko is there, it's just her,

23 but we have no one from the district attorney's office.

24 MS. GATELLI: Yes, there has to be. I

25 think it's Paul Ware.


1 MR. LYMAN: There's no one there.

2 MS. EVANS: Well, they're not on duty

3 24 hours a day, Mr. Lyman, because --

4 MR. LYMAN: Well, I went down there,

5 there's no one there.

6 MS. EVANS: Well, there are certain

7 days and times at which Attorney Ware is available,

8 because -- Mr. Lyman, wait.

9 MR. LYMAN: That lady, the one that was

10 at yours, you know that lady district attorney, that

11 assistant --

12 MR. COURTRIGHT: Mrs. Lafferty.

13 MS. GATELLI: Mrs. Lafferty.

14 MR. LYMAN: She was there the first day

15 when they had the opening, when Mayor Doherty was

16 there, and she was there. Other than that, there was

17 no one from the district attorney's office. I could

18 vouch for that.

19 MS. GATELLI: Well, you must have a

20 police officer assigned there.

21 MR. LYMAN: Yeah, a police officer

22 there, but we need a beat officer from six o'clock at

23 night to six o'clock in the morning. That's when the

24 crimes occur.

25 MS. GATELLI: You don't have a beat


1 officer there?

2 MR. LYMAN: Only once in a while. We

3 don't have it every day.

4 MS. GATELLI: Well, you should. It was

5 on our schedule.

6 MR. COURTRIGHT: Five days a week.

7 MS. EVANS: Also, getting back to

8 Attorney Ware, Mr. Lyman, he is shared among the Green

9 Ridge Neighborhood Association, the North Scranton

10 Notion Association and Pine Brook, so that is why he's

11 really not available on a daily basis to any area.

12 There are certain days and times, but I can -- I just

13 wanted to add that --

14 MR. LYMAN: Well, my friend, who runs a

15 business in Pine Brook, told me if the Scranton Police

16 didn't want to do their job, you go to the Attorney

17 General, and he made a complaint for me to go to the

18 Attorney General, because that was kind of ridiculous

19 that the Scranton cops didn't do their job.

20 MR. COURTRIGHT: Ray, give me the date

21 and time this happened, and I'll find out what

22 happened. If it took them an hour and a half to get

23 there, there's got to be a reason.

24 MR. LYMAN: Last Saturday.

25 MR. COURTRIGHT: Last Saturday at what


1 time, Ray?

2 MR. LYMAN: 4:30.

3 MR. COURTRIGHT: Okay. I'll find out

4 why it took them so long.

5 MR. LYMAN: I don't know who the cops

6 were.

7 MR. COURTRIGHT: All right. Calm down.

8 MR. LYMAN: I couldn't got their badge

9 numbers.

10 MR. COURTRIGHT: If it took them an

11 hour and a half, which I find it hard to believe --

12 MR. LYMAN: The cop told me they

13 couldn't get the call. They couldn't get the call on

14 their -- the one officer said they couldn't get it on

15 their scanner.

16 MS. GATELLI: Scanner.

17 MR. LYMAN: The scanner on their patrol

18 car.

19 MR. COURTRIGHT: I'll find out and I'll

20 let you know, how's that?

21 MR. LYMAN: But I think it's kind of

22 ridiculous that I'm paying money for them to -- they

23 should have patrol cars that they can listen when

24 someone's crying for help.

25 MS. GATELLI: Thank you, Mr. Lyman.


1 MR. LYMAN: I'm going to start caring

2 my gun, and I'm going to do the job that someone should

3 do.

4 MR. COURTRIGHT: Don't do that.

5 MS. EVANS: Mr. Lyman, the day that I

6 was walking Pine Brook with Mary Chilipko and Mr.

7 Santolli, I saw a police car, and this was maybe --

8 MR. LYMAN: Yeah, that was from Central

9 City and it goes --

10 MS. EVANS: -- four o'clock in the

11 afternoon. But for the hour that I was there, I saw a

12 police car driving through three different times, and

13 Mrs. Chilipko --

14 MR. LYMAN: What date was that?

15 MS. EVANS: I didn't write down the

16 date, Ray, but Mrs. Chilipko even mention to myself and

17 to Mrs. Santolli how much --

18 MR. LYMAN: I'm not saying the Scranton

19 cops don't go down there.

20 MS. GATELLI: Ray, we're not getting

21 into a debate, please.

22 MS. EVANS: -- safer everyone feels and

23 what a good job the police were doing.

24 MR. LYMAN: I'm not saying that the

25 cops don't do their job, I'm just saying that they


1 didn't come when I called them, and I had an emergency.

2 MS. GATELLI: We're going to find out

3 for you.

4 MR. LYMAN: And they just told me --

5 but the one cop was arrogant to me. The other one said

6 that they could not get their call on their -- the

7 radio.

8 Now, Ms. Stulgis said at that taxpayer

9 association that the one antenna was, because I was

10 watching a rebroadcast Sunday -- or was it Sunday, I

11 think it was, that the one antenna, they put it

12 backwards and they couldn't receive it from tack one or

13 tack two, I think they call it, Mr. Courtright.

14 MR. COURTRIGHT: Ray, how about this?

15 I will find out for you. Leave your number with Neil.

16 MR. COOLICAN: He knows my number.

17 MR. COURTRIGHT: Give it to him again,

18 would you please? I will find out for you, I will call

19 you and tell you why it took so --

20 MR. LYMAN: I'll give it after the

21 meeting.

22 MR. COURTRIGHT: -- long, and we'll

23 have an answer for you, okay?

24 MR. LYMAN: Because I already made a

25 report with the State Police. I wouldn't make it with


1 the Scranton Police, because I was fed up.

2 MS. GATELLI: All right. We'll take

3 care of it. Mr. Jackowitz.

4 MR. JACKOWITZ: Bill Jackowitz. City

5 resident and taxpayer, retired United States Air force.

6 I'd like to start off this evening by

7 reading a letter that I sent to Mayor Doherty and I

8 also sent to all five City Council members. I hand

9 delivered it myself yesterday.

10 City business is no joking matter. The

11 six of you represent 70,000 citizens of Scranton,

12 Pennsylvania. We currently have citizens losing their

13 houses, working for low paying jobs, in some cases

14 below poverty level, not able to pay bills on time or

15 educate their children.

16 Also in most cases when their children

17 complete their education, they move outside the city

18 and state. There must be a reason for this. It

19 happens far too often.

20 Why? Because there's no future in

21 Scranton, Pennsylvania. The only people who have a

22 chance are the elitists and politically connected.

23 The mayor will not address City Council

24 or his citizens, appointed cabinets officials will not

25 appear before City Council, and they also tell City


1 Council what they will do and not do.

2 Something is wrong with this picture.

3 You continue to spend taxpayers money foolishly, while

4 the citizens receive nothing in return, except tax

5 bills every year.

6 The word jobs is nothing more than a

7 resume filler for a politician. Liveable wages should

8 be more helpful to the citizens.

9 You've asked the citizens to remain

10 calm and respectful towards the Councilpersons. Again,

11 I ask the Councilpersons to remain calm and respectful

12 towards the speakers, and you did that tonight.

13 Sometimes issues become very intense

14 and heated, but we all must show composure. Remember,

15 you are the professionals and the elected officials.

16 Speakers are citizens and taxpayers who

17 sometimes request answers to their concerns. Working

18 together, we'll go a long way.

19 When a question is asked, the citizen

20 should receive an accurate an honest answer. I know

21 that I would not always receive the answer that I would

22 like to hear.

23 Also, when the question is submitted to

24 the administration, it should be submitted correctly.

25 Remember, City Council will be blamed when taxes go up,


1 and we all know that will happen.

2 Mayor Doherty I know that there are

3 many citizens who have questions that they would like

4 answered by their mayor. Please take the suggestion

5 under advisement. Communications, unity, that's the

6 word community.

7 I would like to know why only $150, I

8 repeat, $150 was budgeted for Veterans organizations.

9 Reference Page 61, 2006 city budget. If you only count

10 the Veterans residing at the Gino Merli Center, that

11 would amount to $0.75 a year for a Veteran, I repeat,

12 $0.75 a year for a Veteran. They are voters and

13 citizens, and in most cases, their sacrifices allowed

14 you to be where you are.

15 I understand that this is a state run

16 facility. I only used it as an example, because it was

17 easy to calculate. In comparison, there is $30,428.64

18 budgeted for a chauffeur for the parks and recreation

19 board. Who is this person? I got that answer this

20 afternoon, so I know who that person is, so there's no

21 need to address that. And it is a legitimate job.

22 Hollow Avenue, thank you, Mrs. Evans,

23 for continuing to ask about that.

24 Mr. Courtright, thank you for your

25 response on my letter. I received your E-mail today.


1 Mr. McTiernan, thank you for getting an

2 E-mail address.

3 Also, Mr. McTiernan, could you please,

4 since you're the finance chairman, find out where that

5 $150 was spent on -- for the Veterans in 2005, and

6 also, where it's going to be spent on in the year 2006?

7 And in closing, some of you may

8 remember a comedy show by the name of Hogan's Heroes,

9 some of you may not, but there was a character on

10 Hogan's Heroes by the name of Sergeant Schultz, and

11 Sergeant Schultz's main line all the time was, I know

12 nothing, nothing, nothing.

13 Sometimes I believe that all government

14 agencies and branches of government are controlled and

15 run by Sergeant Schultz. Thank you.

16 MS. GATELLI: Thank you.

17 Mr. Narsavage.

18 MR. NARSAVAGE: Stan Narsavage, city

19 resident. Mrs. Gatelli, this morning there was --

20 MS. GATELLI: Excuse me.

21 MR. NARSAVAGE: You're excused.

22 Mrs. Gatelli, let me say that I concur with everything

23 that McKeon had to offer. I was at the playground this

24 morning. There was still graffiti there. We don't

25 have a beat cop. It's going escalate.


1 I know you're sick of hearing this, but

2 it's going to escalate and get worse and worse. It's

3 not stopping. So, it's really going to be a problem.

4 Mrs. Fanucci is absent, but I'm going

5 to make the same request. This will be my third

6 request for an audit, a HUD audit from June 2005.

7 MS. GATELLI: From when? Excuse me. I

8 --

9 MR. NARSAVAGE: June 2005.

10 Mr. Courtright, were you successful in getting anything

11 on the burglaries?

12 MR. COURTRIGHT: Partially, because

13 just what I thought was going to happen, happen. Would

14 you like me to read the response? He gave me a

15 response.

16 MR. NARSAVAGE: No. I don't want to

17 take my time. Maybe you can give me a copy or --

18 MR. COURTRIGHT: Could you hold his

19 time, Kay, so I can read the response? Is that okay?

20 All right. She'll hold your time.

21 Dave Elliott sent me this, and

22 evidently he responded to me before I sent the second

23 letter saying burglary. So, I'll just read to you what

24 he gave me.

25 In response to your letter I received


1 on April 27, 2006 regarding recent robberies in the

2 City of Scranton, I've compiled the following data for

3 you.

4 April 3, 2006, 214 Hollister Avenue;

5 April 10, 2006, 100 Cedar Avenue; April 24, 2006, 600

6 North Washington Avenue, and April 26, 2006, 552 Front

7 Street.

8 There's a misconception between robbery

9 and burglary. Many people say they were robbed, when

10 they were actually burglarized. So, I do not know if

11 you were really looking for burglary statistics or

12 robbery stats included. So, we got the robbery, not

13 the burglary.

14 I know that you are aware of the

15 difference spending a lot of time with the police

16 department, but your fellow Council members may not be

17 and also citizens may not.

18 I have included a brief description of

19 the two references, and I'll read it quickly for you.

20 Robbery, the physical taking or removing of property

21 from an individual with force however slight and/or

22 threaten bodily harm, inflicts bodily harm in the

23 course of committing a theft.

24 And a burglary is if a person enters a

25 building or occupied structure with intent to commit a


1 crime therein, unless the business at the time is open

2 for business.

3 If you're looking for actual burglaries

4 for April, there were total of 40. We do not have them

5 listed. This includes all businesses and residences,

6 whether anything was taken or not. If there's anything

7 additional, I can help. Feel free to contact me. And

8 that was from Chief David Elliott.

9 So, we got the total number of 40. If

10 you like, I could send a letter asking him to list

11 which ones.

12 MR. NARSAVAGE: No, that's not

13 necessary. What I would like to know is how that

14 compares with the same month and time last year.

15 MR. COURTRIGHT: Okay. I could ask

16 that. Kay, could we --

17 MR. NARSAVAGE: Could we find that out?

18 MR. COURTRIGHT: Sure. Could we ask

19 Dave to compare it to last year at this time? So, we

20 got a response at least.

21 MR. NARSAVAGE: Thank you very much.

22 MR. COURTRIGHT: You're welcome.

23 MR. NARSAVAGE: Appreciate it.

24 MR. COURTRIGHT: You're welcome.

25 MR. NARSAVAGE: There's still things


1 going on. In West Side a lady was hit in the head with

2 a hammer and stabbed; a shooting on North Washington

3 Avenue near Cooper's, a motorcyclist shot in the back;

4 an alleged entry in West Side of a senior gentleman,

5 face was covered with a pillow, almost passed out and

6 was robbed of a small amount of money.

7 What are we going to have to do? You

8 know, that's rhetorical, I, you know. Crime just keeps

9 going up and everybody is still denying there's crime

10 here. I don't know whether they're coming in from out

11 of town or what.

12 And during fifth order I'd like some

13 kind of update on the South Side Complex. Now, I know

14 it's in litigation and I know an awful lot can't be

15 said about it, but isn't there any indication of a

16 hearing or a court case or something? It seems to be

17 dragging along. Can you get any information on the

18 South Side Complex?

19 MS. GATELLI: Do you know, Mr.

20 McTiernan?


22 MR. COURTRIGHT: I haven't heard

23 anything for quite a while, Mr. Narsavage.

24 MR. NARSAVAGE: Nothing.

25 MR. COURTRIGHT: We can ask.


1 MS. EVANS: There must be, I would

2 imagine, there must be some type of holdup regarding

3 the court case that has been filed by private citizens.

4 I would imagine that that may be involved the holdup.

5 You know, it's just amazing that after

6 all these years, I -- maybe you can refresh my memory.

7 I know it wasn't the last Council that sold or voted to

8 give the South Side Complex to the SRA for sale to the

9 University of Scranton.

10 MR. NARSAVAGE: Well, wasn't it --

11 wasn't Kevin Murphy president at that time?

12 MS. EVANS: Yes, I believe so. It was

13 that Council, yes. So, it has been ongoing since 2003.

14 MR. NARSAVAGE: Okay. Well, that's a

15 few years ago. Okay. Thank you. A couple other

16 things. Potholes -- oh, that total, that one and three

17 quarter million dollars that PEL received from the

18 state, what period of time does that cover?

19 MS. GATELLI: From '92.

20 MR. NARSAVAGE: From '92. It's not a

21 non-profit, are they?

22 MS. GATELLI: Are they non-profit?

23 They're a charitable organization, someone said

24 tonight. So, we're giving to a charity. Les Spindler.

25 MR. SPINDLER: Good evening, Council.


1 Les Spindler, Scranton resident. First thing I have to

2 say, I have a comment on what Mr. McKeon had to say.

3 I can't believe -- I think the

4 ordinance for the graffiti has to be redone. Just a

5 $300 fine, I think, is ridiculous. Maybe if there was

6 a stiffer penalty, people wouldn't be going around

7 spraying graffiti all over.

8 MR. COURTRIGHT: The fine's for selling

9 it, correct, Mr. McKeon? Yeah, the fine is for selling

10 it.

11 MR. SPINDLER: For selling it?

12 MR. COURTRIGHT: That's a crime.

13 MR. SPINDLER: I misunderstood him.

14 MR. COURTRIGHT: To actually spray

15 paint it is a crime.

16 MR. SPINDLER: Okay.

17 MS. EVANS: And, Mr. Spindler, there

18 have been juveniles arrested throughout the city,

19 particularly in the Bellvue Section, who were caught

20 tagging buildings and destroying property, and the

21 police have been very successful in prosecuting and

22 remedying that situation, at least for now. But I do

23 agree, it's spread throughout the city.

24 MR. SPINDLER: I agree. Okay. Last

25 week, Mrs. Gatelli, you weren't fair with the


1 five-minute time limit. Countless speakers went over

2 five minutes. Now, I hit the five-minute time limit,

3 you said thank you and cut me right off.

4 MS. GATELLI: I'll try to be more

5 diligent.

6 MR. SPINDLER: I've been coming here

7 for over four years, and it was only the second time I

8 ever hit the five-minute time limit.

9 MS. GATELLI: I apologize. I'll try to

10 be more diligent.

11 MR. SPINDLER: Okay. Last week the

12 Junior Council voted to remove one of its members. I

13 think that was totally wrong. The Junior Council have

14 no authority to do that. They have no rules, no

15 bylaws. Correct me if I'm wrong, Mrs. Gatelli, Council

16 had to approve each member, correct?

17 MS. GATELLI: Yes.

18 MR. SPINDLER: Well, shouldn't it be up

19 to Council to remove a Junior Council member?

20 MS. GATELLI: I don't know. I'd have

21 to ask Attorney Minora that.

22 MR. SPINDLER: They have no rules or

23 bylaws. How could they have authority to do that?

24 MS. EVANS: Well, actually they are in

25 the process of developing bylaws.


1 MR. SPINDLER: Okay. They are now, but

2 they didn't have them last week.

3 MS. EVANS: Yes. But -- well, let's

4 hear from our attorney. I don't know that this is

5 something that you can really answer, unless you know

6 of a precedent.

7 MR. MINORA: I think the more

8 fundamental question is, is this really city business?

9 Is this a matter concerning the city?

10 This is a program for young people to

11 involve themselves in, and it's for their benefit, and

12 I don't know that criticizing them publicly is a really

13 good idea, nor is it a matter of concern to the city.

14 So, city business? It's simply an

15 effort to have these young people learn about

16 government, learn about the city. And to have them

17 criticized publicly, I just think is totally unfair and

18 certainly outside the idea of --

19 MS. EVANS: And I would -- I do agree

20 with that, which it was, you know, probably why I took

21 issue with this originally, because there was criticism

22 of one of the members who wasn't even available to

23 really defend himself.

24 But I do -- I would tend to think, yes,

25 a motion was made, City Council voted, it was approved,


1 they received proclamations. That appears to be quite

2 legal to me. So, if there were any dismissals, I would

3 believe it would have to come from the body that

4 appointed.

5 MR. SPINDLER: That's what I said. And

6 I'm asking you right now, Mrs. Gatelli, to reinstate

7 that person, because I know you did --

8 MS. GATELLI: Listen --

9 MR. SPINDLER: You overturned one other

10 decision that the Junior Council made. I think you

11 should overturn this one.

12 MS. GATELLI: I can't believe that you

13 people come here week after week criticizing these

14 young children.

15 MR. SPINDLER: I don't think it was

16 fair to do.

17 MS. GATELLI: Well, do you think it's

18 fair that they come here every week?

19 MR. SPINDLER: There's four or five

20 members missing tonight. Should they be voted out

21 also?

22 MS. GATELLI: Well, I think they've

23 been here for most of the meetings.

24 MR. SPINDLER: Well, I don't think it's

25 fair. And if you don't --


1 MS. GATELLI: I think it's up to them.

2 It's their organization, and, you know, they need to

3 make some rules for themselves.

4 MR. SPINDLER: Well, I know for a fact

5 that there was a unanimous to overturn the presidency

6 and you overturned that deal.

7 MS. GATELLI: I didn't overturn it. I

8 did you not overturn it.

9 MR. SPINDLER: Then what I heard was

10 wrong.

11 MS. GATELLI: Well, what you heard was

12 wrong. I volunteer with the kids. I went with them on

13 Saturday. I was the only Council member to be there

14 with the kids on Saturday. My husband also volunteered

15 this time --

16 MR. SPINDLER: I really don't want to

17 wast any more time on that.

18 MS. GATELLI: So, you know, I'm doing

19 this to help the children, and I don't think that they

20 should be criticized. They're minors.

21 MR. SPINDLER: I don't think it was

22 right that somebody should be voted because they had a

23 job and they couldn't attend these meetings.

24 MS. GATELLI: Well, if you have a job

25 and you can't attend, then you shouldn't be a City


1 Council member. They all have jobs. They got the

2 night off.

3 MR. SPINDLER: I disagree. I have

4 other things to discuss.

5 MS. GATELLI: Well, you can disagree

6 all you want, but it's up to the children. They're

7 running their own organization.

8 MR. SPINDLER: I've brought this

9 problem up for years now about the flooding of my

10 property. I have pictures.

11 MS. GATELLI: Bring them up.

12 MR. SPINDLER: The bottom of my steps

13 there, you can't even walk out the door. It's going

14 off on the lawn. It's so high. You can see in another

15 picture there where you can see ripples in the water.

16 The water is so deep.

17 And this is a problem the city caused

18 by removing the curb on the corner. And for years,

19 nothing has been done.

20 MS. GATELLI: Could you just put your

21 address on the back for me?

22 MR. SPINDLER: And now I have two more

23 things. Some of my time was taken up.

24 MS. GATELLI: Go ahead.

25 MR. SPINDLER: I've asked this for over


1 a year now. Line painting, the entrances, Mall at

2 Steamtown. There's three lanes there, but nobody knows

3 there's three lanes. There's no lines.

4 MR. COURTRIGHT: I brought that up last

5 week, Les. Hopefully we will get some kind of answers.

6 MR. SPINDLER: Also, the corner of

7 Spruce and Franklin going down Spruce Street, that

8 should also be three lanes. People go all over on that

9 corner. They make turns from the straight lane. They

10 go straight from the turning lane. I travel that way

11 every single day, and I work right on that corner.

12 That's all I have tonight. Thank you.

13 MS. GATELLI: Thank you. Erik Johnson.

14 MR. JOHNSON: Good evening, City

15 Council and young members and Lisa and staff. Good to

16 be back again.

17 It's nice to hear that the police and

18 mayor are talking contract. I hope the police and city

19 receive a fair contract.

20 In the paper tax money marked for

21 police and firefighters. New equipment and salaries

22 are on the top list. As I said all along that the

23 Scranton Emergency and Municipality Tax should be used

24 for the police and firefighters numerous times.

25 As Mayor Chris Doherty said Monday, the


1 tax will be used to help buy new equipment for the

2 police and fire departments, such as police cars,

3 supplies, and as well assist in paying the salary of

4 the two departments.

5 The city collected $373,504 last year

6 from the so-called occupational privilege tax. And

7 with the increase within the tax, the city is expected

8 to take in $2 million this year.

9 It's never been a mystery that the

10 money was going to be used for that main purpose.

11 Mr. Doherty said it's in their operation budget and

12 it's being used to update police and the fire equipment

13 and to help pay their salaries.

14 I say it should only be used for police

15 and fire purposes, and not for any other purposes.

16 It's their tax. We need to improve their conditions,

17 instead of other city improvements of roads and reduce

18 property taxes, which would not be there after spending

19 costs for public safety.

20 I can't see anybody being against the

21 tax, when it is earmarked for police and firemen

22 operations, improvements.

23 Bottom line, that's where only that

24 amount of $2 million should go. People have been

25 griping, including myself, for more police officers,


1 more police funds, rising crime, more police protection

2 against drugs, robberies, assaults, domestic problems,

3 rapes and murders.

4 Do I have to say more, except to keep

5 our city from a burning crisis, which is unlikely to

6 happen if we use this tax in a priority sensible way?

7 Since 1982 moving back to Scranton,

8 there have been four mayors, and every one of them have

9 been criticized for job performances, which you can't

10 please every Scrantonian, regardless what they try to

11 do. It may be wrong for some people and right for

12 other Scrantonians.

13 The next mayor would also be

14 criticized, even if he performed a miracle from heaven.

15 We all have problems, like certain people like myself

16 who is trying for low income apartments, but overlooked

17 for transients moving in from New Jersey, New York and

18 Philadelphia, who seem to have priority.

19 People like myself who graduated school

20 locally, paid city taxes for years, school and county

21 and lost their homes without fault of their own, have

22 to suffer the consequences or move away from Scranton

23 unwillingly.

24 Houses are going to outsiders. Some

25 Scranton insiders are close to being homeless, unless


1 you find a decent attorney like Paul Kelly, who

2 prevented me from being homeless and took a cut on his

3 proposed retaining fee so I could make some kind of a

4 profit for an apartment. Yes, he's a decent person, as

5 well as a decent lawyer. God Bless him.

6 MS. GATELLI: Thank you. Josh Rojas.

7 MR. ROJAS: Good evening. My name is

8 Jose Rojas. I'm the vice president and one of the

9 founder of Scranton Latin Alliance. My English is

10 really bad.

11 MS. GATELLI: Take your time.

12 MR. ROJAS: I'm here -- I'm living in

13 Scranton for three years. We're doing very well. We

14 have a -- now we have three houses, and we got a

15 business on Main Avenue. It's a grocery store at 319

16 South Main Avenue, and next to the grocery store, I

17 started must own business, and I donated an office for

18 the Alliance.

19 I am not a public person. I chose

20 working directly with my community. Now we have close

21 to 1,000 people involved in the Alliance, whose name

22 and phone number and address we have.

23 We have 435 members already American

24 citizens like me. We never vote, because we don't

25 involve in political, but it's interesting. We need


1 your help at this point. I think that you could help

2 us.

3 One of our problem is with the driving

4 licenses. My community, most of them are paperless.

5 They don't papers, and they don't have driving license.

6 You could help us driving without

7 driving license if you signalize where are the bus

8 stops. I spent weeks driving about five, ten minutes

9 behind the bus. I find that in many cases that buses

10 stop in place that they don't have sign, and one of

11 them is in front of South Side Shopping Center on North

12 Washington Avenue and Luzerne Street.

13 And I stopped and I go out of my car

14 and I asked somebody, like, how do you know that the

15 bus will stop here? And they said, Because my whole

16 family was living in Scranton for generation and

17 generation and we know that he will stop here.

18 I was in Washington yesterday. I saw

19 that in Washington, and I was living in Manhattan

20 before coming to Scranton. Washington they have signs,

21 like, a little map where people like me, that we are

22 not familiar with the city, we could see the bus, what

23 the route -- the bus route. I think it could be a good

24 idea if you could do that in this city, like, signalize

25 more what is the bus stop.


1 Plus, if you could make fliers and

2 bring it to the grocery store or call me, and I would

3 be glad to do it. We could find a volunteer. My phone

4 number is 561-4434. That's my cell phone number. My

5 grocery store number is 341-9750. This is the two

6 problems that I think that you could help us.

7 I was already in the office of

8 Mr. Cordaro with Kevin Murphy, and we are not receiving

9 yet help. I really want to know who will be the first

10 good samaritan that will help the Hispanic community

11 with the fliers. We need fliers to say what is the bus

12 stop, what are the times that the bus crosses or

13 passes.

14 MS. GATELLI: Mr. Rojas.

15 MR. ROJAS: Yes. Who said Mr. Rojas?

16 MS. GATELLI: It's me. You're hearing

17 the echo.

18 MR. ROJAS: Sorry.

19 MS. GATELLI: The busses are the

20 Lackawanna County Transit Authority. But we will

21 contact the county commissioners and tell them of your

22 concern about the signs and we'll get you some bus

23 schedules.

24 They actually have schedules printed,

25 and we'll try to get some for you and have them brought


1 to the store.

2 MR. ROJAS: That could be great. If

3 you do, we have some person that could help us

4 translating.

5 This don't mean -- this is your

6 country, and we make this country our country, too.

7 This don't mean that we don't want to learn English,

8 it's that most of my people have to work two jobs. And

9 it's hard after 16 hours to sit in front of a teacher

10 to learn English.

11 The other thing is, I want to take the

12 time, we need some immigration lawyers. Maybe somebody

13 is watching on the TV could recommend some lawyers. We

14 have people who need immigration help.

15 MS. GATELLI: Maybe Attorney Minora

16 could give you the number for legal aide and someone

17 there would be able to help them.

18 MR. ROJAS: We will pay for it.

19 MS. GATELLI: Yes, yes.

20 MR. MINORA: When you're done, I'll

21 give you a card where you can call me at the office,

22 and I'll do what I can to find somebody or help you

23 myself, if I can.

24 MR. ROJAS: Okay. Thank you a lot for

25 your time. And, once again, we are already in the


1 Alliance around 2,000, 1,000 members. We are growing

2 now, and people like American citizens from the

3 Dominican Republic from Mexico to Hawaii, we have at

4 least 435 people, members. Thank you for your time.

5 MS. GATELLI: You're welcome.

6 MS. EVANS: I just wanted to add. I

7 was over at the Riverfront Stadium last Saturday for

8 the Latin festival.

9 MR. ROJAS: That was good.

10 MS. EVANS: Oh, it was wonderful. And

11 you had so many people. I heard it was a record

12 breaking crowd. And the mariachi band, oh, that was

13 the best. That was the treat of the day. I loved it

14 and watching the people dance. I think you should give

15 dancing lessons so we could all learn.

16 MR. ROJAS: I was there, but my

17 daughter was in the hospital that day, and I got to

18 spend the whole time, but it was a good time. Tomorrow

19 from five to 7:30, we will get a party in front of the

20 courthouse --

21 MS. GATELLI: Sinco de mao.

22 MS. EVANS: Yes.

23 MR. ROJAS: And after that in Don

24 Pablos we will meet over there drinking margaritas and

25 --


1 MS. EVANS: Oh, that sounds good.

2 MS. GATELLI: Thank you.

3 MR. ROJAS: Thank you.

4 MS. GATELLI: We'll help you.

5 MR. ROJAS: Thank you.

6 MS. GATELLI: Dick Laske. That man

7 bueno bueno moocho bueno, right? Okay. Leggetts

8 Creek, the fishing derby, May the 13th from ten to

9 twelve.

10 And if anybody don't know where it is,

11 what you do is from Providence Square, go up the block

12 before Keyser Avenue, turn right, go one block, turn

13 left and follow it right around to the stream.

14 Now, a lot of people think we're doing

15 real good in the city, this and that and the other

16 thing. Let me just give you a little story.

17 Years ago we used to get $1,000 from

18 the City of Scranton to buy fish for the kids. You

19 know how we get anymore? Slightly less. We get $50.

20 You don't buy a heck of a lot of fish with $50, if you

21 know what I mean.

22 And I'd like to see everybody come.

23 The kids have a good time. It's sponsored by our

24 rotary club, and it's a very interesting day.

25 Okay. Enough about that. Now, this


1 $52 tax, the first week I got my paycheck, I'm a

2 crossing guard. I make less than $4,000 a year. Now,

3 it wasn't a misprint in the paper that said you have to

4 make twelve, right? Well, they took it out of me.

5 Didn't somebody think to check at first?

6 MS. EVANS: Well, they're taking it out

7 from everyone, and then those who earn $12,000 or under

8 will receive a rebate or a refund in 2007.

9 Now, my concern was at the time, I

10 mean, yes, this tax provides funds for much needed

11 programs, such as police and fire equipment, paving

12 projects, et cetera, so it's not, I think, the tax

13 increase itself that's in question here, it's the

14 manner in which this was enacted.

15 And it's not really the problem of

16 local government. This came down from the state

17 government. This came down in December of 2004, when

18 legislators were too self absorbed to stay and provide

19 for a proper way to enact this tax increase. They

20 simply gave a dollar amount and walked way so they

21 could go on vacation.

22 But it should have been, at least in my

23 mind, it should have been $20,000 and under exempt and

24 it should never have been collected from those

25 individuals, and from those who are paying, there


1 should be a payment schedule.

2 But the worse part, Mr. Laske, is this,

3 you are -- the good news is you are entitled to a

4 rebate, the bad news is you're going to pay again in

5 2007, I greatly fear, before you're ever going to see

6 your 2006 rebate. So --

7 MR. LASKE: In other words, they grab

8 me for over $100.

9 MS. EVANS: Right. And it's just going

10 to continue on its merry way in this manner until the

11 state legislature does something, amends this bill to

12 provide properly for the people of Pennsylvania.

13 Because what you have now is a -- and

14 in fact -- of course your case is worse, considering

15 what you're making, but I got a note tonight -- a phone

16 call was made to me yesterday from a concerned mom and

17 it says her son made $525 working at Montage in winter

18 months and was taxed the EMS $52. Will he ever get

19 this back? Well, he's in your boat. So, the answer to

20 him is the same, yes, he will receive it back, but

21 before he does, they're going to take another $52 next

22 year.

23 MR. LASKE: What about the interest on

24 this money? Who's holding it?

25 MS. EVANS: The tax collector.


1 MR. LASKE: That makes it right then, I

2 guess. I don't know.

3 MS. EVANS: No, it doesn't make it

4 right. He didn't enact this, but the point is, Mr.

5 Laske, we asked him to provide a plan so that he could

6 give you your money in a timely fashion. Nobody's done

7 a thing.

8 MR. LASKE: Right, exactly. Because I

9 called three different departments, and nobody knew who

10 gave the order to take this. The state gave the order,

11 but the local people took my money. They're holding my

12 money. I'm not getting a dime interest, right?

13 MS. EVANS: Right.

14 MR. LASKE: I should be getting

15 interest or someone should be getting interest.

16 MS. GATELLI: Mr. Laske, the good news

17 is, we are the only community where it's not $1,000.

18 Everybody else is $1,000.

19 MR. LASKE: The way things are going,

20 Judy, you'll have my house in a year or two anyway, so

21 it ain't going to matter, you know what I mean? I'll

22 go out in the woods and live. Seriously. At least the

23 James Brothers used guns. These people don't. Okay.

24 Well, I didn't prove a heck of a lot with that, did I?

25 Hollow Avenue, now, Mr. Parker don't


1 want to come up and meet with the people up on Hollow

2 Avenue. I was one of the people involved. He's

3 completely ignored us, and the part that really, really

4 hurts me is I have been trying for years to get people

5 up to Weston Park.

6 Mr. Santolli sprayed trees up there

7 years ago. It's washed off already.

8 MS. EVANS: I know.

9 MS. LASKE: He wouldn't come and take

10 down any trees, but a man that's politically connected

11 with our administrator had Mr. Parker's men go up and

12 work on private property. Well, this is not right.

13 MS. EVANS: Oh, I agree.

14 MR. LASKE: This is definitely not

15 right and it's frustrating.

16 MS. EVANS: Mr. Laske, I'm glad you're

17 here so that you can assist me with this particular

18 issue. We -- rather I, asked for a letter last week to

19 be sent to Mr. Parker and Mr. Fiorini asking them to

20 attend a public caucus, a televised public caucus, here

21 in Council chambers with the neighbors of Hollow

22 Avenue. We are awaiting the response.

23 We have offered them a specific date,

24 time and place. Now, it is my strong feeling that

25 should one of them or both of them fail to attend, I


1 would like the meeting to carry on regardless, because

2 I think the people of Hollow Avenue can voice their

3 problems and their concerns to this City Council, and

4 perhaps as a group, we can do something then to get to

5 the bottom of it.

6 But I do agree with you. A city

7 employee -- when a city employee, whether it is the

8 Indian or the chief, is asked to appear at a Council

9 meeting or a caucus meeting, they should come. It's

10 part of the job.

11 MR. LASKE: Okay. Will you be kind

12 enough to let me know when that meeting is?

13 MS. EVANS: Yes. And the help I need

14 from you, if you would be kind enough then to contact

15 the other individuals, the same folks that we all met

16 as a group up at Weston Park the night that Mr. Parker

17 didn't show up.

18 MR. LASKE: Okay.

19 MR. LASKE: If you could get in touch

20 with all of them again, I'd like them all here, and

21 anyone else who may be interested who was unable to

22 attend that night.

23 MR. LASKE: Okay. I'll get them all

24 together and I will give you a call.

25 MS. EVANS: Very good.


1 MR. LASKE: Will you write down your

2 number for me, please?

3 MS. EVANS: I surely will.

4 MR. LASKE: I know I'm a little long,

5 Judy, but I won't be back for a month.

6 MS. EVANS: No, he's not long. I'm the

7 long-winded one. I don't mind getting taken, but I'd

8 like to be kissed.

9 MS. GATELLI: Thank you. Lee Morgan.

10 Oh, is he there? No? Mary Ann Wardell.

11 MS. WARDELL: Good evening, Council.

12 I'm here to address an action that took place last week

13 that upset me greatly.

14 And I will disagree respectfully with

15 Mr. Minora, I believe City Council, Junior City

16 Council, is city business. They voted to remove a

17 young man because he could not attend meetings because

18 he has a job.

19 I wish they were here. It seems like

20 they all disappeared, though, so they could hear me.

21 They have to learn through experience from watching

22 this City Council that it's a question sometimes of

23 priorities.

24 And we know that you as City Council

25 people all have different jobs, and sometimes your jobs


1 preclude you from attending meetings. And that's part

2 of learning how to govern our city.

3 I think that if these children cannot

4 take constructive criticism, then they do not belong

5 here, because we're trying to teach them how to be

6 leaders.

7 And to be a leader, you have to be

8 willing to accept some criticism when it comes your

9 way. This is not a rose-colored chamber and we do not

10 have a rose-colored government. They have to accept

11 these things. And if they don't learn them from you,

12 then who are they going to learn them from?

13 I also have to disagree with the way

14 that there was a chairman appointed to this Junior City

15 Council. When all of these members received their

16 proclamations, at that time they should have voted for

17 a chairman.

18 And I say this, because you as City

19 Council people did not appoint a chairman. You elected

20 a chairman to your Council. And for them to understand

21 the mechanics of our government, that's what should

22 have been done in this case.

23 I am not criticizing any one

24 individually, but I am saying if you are going to be

25 the examples and you are going to be the role models,


1 then you want to make sure that what they're doing is

2 right. They're very young and they're very

3 inexperienced. And I give them a lot of credit for

4 wanting to be here and from learning, but they're going

5 to learn from you, and they're either going to learn

6 the right way to govern or they're going to learn pay

7 to play politics or they're going to learn it's all in

8 who you know, and those are not things that we want to

9 teach these children. They're going to lead us some

10 day, and we want to make sure that they get the right

11 training.

12 So, I would like to suggest that this

13 Junior Council when they're putting their bylaws

14 together, reorganize, elect a chairman, vote on a

15 chairman, and give that young man that is not here an

16 opportunity to come back to this Council, because

17 everybody's priorities change day to day.

18 His priority right now is a job. I'm

19 sure, though, that all these young people have

20 telephones, I'm sure they know everybody's phone

21 number, and if this young man cannot be at a City

22 Council meeting, just as you're going to do with

23 Ms. Fanucci, they could bring him up to date with what

24 took place at this meeting.

25 He can watch this meeting at another


1 time. They can let him know what is going on with

2 their Council. Their important work is working at the

3 schools and bringing the issues of the children here to

4 this City Council so that those kids in the school know

5 that they have someone that's representing them.

6 So, I would -- Judy, I would ask you if

7 you would ask this Council, this Junior Council, or

8 allow them to do this and get them started on the right

9 foot and let them do their bylaws and continue from

10 there. Thank you.

11 MS. GATELLI: Mrs. Jones.

12 MS. JONES: Julie Jones, city resident.

13 I know we have five minutes. I would like to say what

14 I have to say, if it's okay with Council.

15 And if I go over the five minutes, I

16 would like to be excused this evening, because I do

17 have a letter from my son that he would like me to

18 read.

19 Good evening, City Council. Julie

20 Jones, city resident. Last week I spoke about the

21 Junior Council, and people did not seem to like it.

22 Well, let me ask any parent in this

23 room if they would stand up for their children or

24 child. Well, I did and I got criticized for doing so.

25 You're talking about criticizing, that


1 it's not proper. Well, I sat in this office or this

2 chambers last week and got criticized, and it was a

3 personal attack, and the person didn't get stopped from

4 saying it. So, they have to follow the same rules as

5 the adults do in my eyes.

6 My phone rang the minute that happened,

7 and it was my son from work, and he said, Mom, you

8 always told me whether an adult is right or wrong, you

9 don't disrespect that adult. If you disagree, you

10 disagree and you walk away, but you don't mouth back to

11 an adult.

12 And he was so upset at work to see a

13 Junior Councilperson disrespect his mother on TV, when

14 you're taught not to do so. Well, that is okay,

15 because I used my freedom of speech last week.

16 After last week's meeting, one Junior

17 Council member come up to me to let me know that they

18 did not vote against Corey. Also, an adult that works

19 in Council Chambers and said it was totally wrong, a

20 member of the audience said Corey was getting the wrong

21 deal.

22 I voiced my concerns through an E-mail

23 to a Council member, and all I got back was that the

24 teachers had a problem about the meeting, to tell

25 Mr. McTiernan, and also that they miss class for a lot


1 less important things.

2 Also they said they didn't have to make

3 all the meetings, not that they didn't have to go to

4 any. That was not fair to the rest of the kids, and

5 that he did not participate in anything yet.

6 Well, perhaps the mayor could be thrown

7 out of office, because he does not participate in any

8 meetings like he said he would.

9 This also tells me that education is

10 not important at the Junior Council meetings. I

11 disagree. These school kids have a lot of early

12 dismissals that the meetings could be then or after

13 school.

14 Then got told by this Council member

15 that I E-mailed through the Council E-mails said that

16 they refused to answer me, telling me I have big

17 problems, and they would not participate in my

18 negativity and always knocking down the Junior Council,

19 and that if this Council member missed Council

20 meetings, they certainly would throw this person out,

21 and I would be the first one to do that, and I was not

22 to E-mail them ever again.

23 Well, isn't that the great Council

24 representative to demand a citizen to stop E-mailing

25 them? I thought that it was what their E-mails were


1 for.

2 I remember Council saying one week that

3 they get good E-mails and they get bad E-mails, but as

4 a Council official, they are to take, whether good or

5 bad, just like they take it at the podium.

6 I guess people who run for office once

7 they voter their way in do not have to follow the

8 rules. But to tell a citizen who is voicing their

9 opinion, whether positive or negative, they're not to

10 use this Councilperson's E-mail is totally against

11 Council rules.

12 Well, we come to these meetings to

13 voice our concerns, and we should be respected for

14 that, whether Council agrees or not.

15 Once again, this is my opinion, and I

16 should be allowed to voice it, but who knows. We all

17 know the gavel is back, in fact, didn't we joke about

18 that last week?

19 In closing, I came to City Council a

20 few months ago for help from the Scranton Parking

21 Authority with parking tickets that I shouldn't have

22 had.

23 Well, I was told that Mr. Wintermantle

24 was talked to, and that if I had any more problems, to

25 talk to him.


1 Well, well and behold, last Friday I

2 received a notice to appear in court some $135 later.

3 So much for the help from Council.

4 Now, I would challenge, too, I'll just

5 say one more line and then I'll state his, I would

6 challenge any of these kids to do what my son does.

7 He has a straight honor roll schedule,

8 he has strings, extracurricular activities all the

9 time. He has extracurricular activities at the school.

10 This week alone he's holding a full

11 school load. It's the end of the school year. They

12 performed at middle states. He's been working since

13 yesterday after school. You know when he'll finish?

14 Saturday night at two in the morning.

15 I challenge any of them to do that and

16 carry a full load at school, but he gets criticized

17 because he's not sitting n this chair.

18 I have not been feeling well, so my son

19 has been helping with the monthly bills, if anybody

20 cares to know.

21 Dear Scranton City Council and Scranton

22 Junior City Council, it has come to my attention that

23 I, Corey Jones, have been a conflict of interest over

24 the past weeks.

25 I know that I have not attended


1 Scranton City Council meetings over the past several

2 weeks, but I have watched the meetings on Channel 61 to

3 keep up.

4 The Junior Council does not have their

5 meetings televised, and I'm not saying they have to,

6 but I do understand that the Junior Council has

7 meetings before meetings on Thursdays.

8 I have to work every Thursday, and I

9 make that commitment before I joined the Junior

10 Council. I feel that it is important to follow through

11 on commitments, and I believe that members of both

12 Councils seem to believe that I have not followed

13 through on my commitment I made months ago to join the

14 Council.

15 In those members' eyes, I could see

16 their argument, but now it is my turn to say my side of

17 the story.

18 In my opinion, and which is shared with

19 many others, education is the key and important to the

20 future of young individuals. Education is my top

21 priority in life, and I do not believe that after

22 school activities should come before my education.

23 I'm sure many people agree with this.

24 So, I am saying all of this because there was a meeting

25 at Scranton High with both the Junior and Scranton High


1 Student Council. I did not attend this meeting because

2 I have classes, as I am sure many do at this time.

3 I know that students are excused from

4 other things, such as concert rehearsals and sporting

5 activities, but they are school-related, and some of

6 these activities are graded assignments. Junior

7 Council meetings are not graded assignments; therefore,

8 my education comes first.

9 Also, I feel it is equally important to

10 be able to sustain myself in society from both a

11 student's and an employee's perspective. I can say I

12 have learned a great deal of responsibility from both

13 my place of employment and school, therefore, I feel my

14 job comes before Council, also.

15 Junior Council would be my next

16 commitment. I believe my contribution to a city, such

17 as Scranton, would make me feel more like a citizen of

18 the city.

19 I live in this city, I pay taxes in

20 this city, and I grew up in this city. I feel as I owe

21 something to it, so that's why I joined Junior Council

22 at first.

23 I was told we would project the voices

24 of the young people of Scranton. That is why I joined.

25 I did not join to plant flowers.


1 So, I would sure wish that I could be

2 accepted in this Junior Council. I would not be able

3 to attend Thursday meetings, but I have a few ideas on

4 how I could still work together with this group.

5 If I were given something to work on

6 over a few weeks' time, I would gladly do that. If

7 meetings were short and after school, I would also

8 attend them. And I'm sure once summer comes, it will

9 be easier for all of us.

10 If you planned or already decided for

11 me not to be a member of this Council, I would sure

12 hope for you to reconsider. I know I could be a

13 helping hand to this Council and this city. Thank you.

14 Cory Jones. You may have the letter.

15 MS. GATELLI: Thank you. Mike Dudek.

16 MR. DUDEK: My name is Mike Dudek,

17 608 Depot Street, Scranton. I live in The Plot. I'm

18 going to just take 30 seconds to talk about a pothole

19 and the remaining four minutes and 30 seconds to

20 address this situation that has come up with our

21 student council here.

22 In 30 seconds, there is a 4-foot wide

23 pothole in the middle of a city street. It is at the

24 intersection of Nay Aug and Albright. As you proceed

25 south on Albright Avenue along the Scranton Laceworks,


1 you're going to see a big gigantic blue garbage can,

2 twice the size of your cans that you have here in the

3 city. I appropriated it and I put it there so that

4 nobody falls into this thing.

5 Now, I use the rule of a six-year-old.

6 If a six-year-old could fall in, we could have a

7 problem. If Andre The Giant were alive, he would

8 disappear into this hole.

9 If a fire truck were to proceed

10 southeast on Nay Aug and the right front tire of that

11 fire truck, the biggest piece of apparatus we would

12 have, if it went into this hole, the truck would be

13 damaged. You would need a crane to get the truck out

14 of this hole.

15 I called the city police, I gave them

16 my name, my address and my telephone number. I'm

17 appearing here. I want you to please take care of

18 this. It is really that bad of a hazard.

19 Now, as to the other four minutes and

20 30 seconds, Attorney Minora, in your college days in

21 law school, you may have taken a Constitutional Law

22 course or reading on a case Powell versus McCormack.

23 In 1962, Adam Clayton Powell ran for

24 re-election for the House of Representatives. He

25 represented Harlem in New York City.


1 From 1960 to 1962, there were 420 work

2 days in the House of Representatives. He only showed

3 up for two days of work and spent the other 418 days on

4 the Island of Bimanee.

5 He even had arranged his salary checks

6 to come to him in Bimanee all the time that he was

7 there. He ran for re-election to the House of

8 Representatives from Bimanee and won.

9 The Speaker of the House, John

10 McCormack, thought that what he was doing was such a

11 flagrant insult to the House of Representatives, that

12 he called a special Democratic caucus of all of the

13 Democratic members of the House, over 200 lawyers, and

14 they came up with the solution not to let him take his

15 oath of office so that he could not become a member,

16 because The Constitution allows each house to organize

17 its meetings and its matters in its own fashion.

18 Well, Adam Clayton Powell sued, and the

19 case went before the House of Representatives. And

20 I'll tell you something, you never saw more embarrassed

21 faces in Washington when the Supreme Court ruled in

22 favor of Adam Clayton Powell.

23 You cannot in the House of

24 Representatives prevent a person from taking an oath.

25 The Supreme Court said the proper procedure was for


1 them to let him take his oath, then make a special vote

2 up or down to discharge him because of his activity.

3 Now, what has happened here with the

4 Student Council doesn't rise to that level. The person

5 involved is trying to balance his obligations to his

6 work, to his family, and trying to work with the

7 Student Council, an organization that does not yet have

8 bylaws.

9 So, in the absence of bylaws, I think

10 the most common sense thing to do is to cut everybody

11 an awful lot of slack on this thing, let him serve, and

12 once the bylaws are written, then make sure everybody

13 understands what these rules and regulations are before

14 you proceed.

15 We don't want to make the same mistake

16 that the Congress for the United States made in one of

17 the more hilarious episodes in American Constitutional

18 history.

19 Because I don't mind if our Congress

20 becomes a laughing-stock for the American people, but I

21 don't want our young people to become a laughing-stock

22 just because somebody makes a mistake on whether or not

23 somebody is a member of it.

24 We're help instruct, we're here to

25 guide, to help, to lead, and I don't think proceeding


1 in the way that we've been proceeding is the proper way

2 to do this. Thank you.

3 MS. GATELLI: Thank you. Is there

4 anyone else that cares to speak before Council?

5 MR. OSTERMEIER: Good evening. My name

6 is Dan Ostermeier. I'm from the University of

7 Scranton. Over the last three weeks I've had the

8 opportunity to volunteer with United Neighborhood

9 Centers.

10 They run a volunteer program through

11 the University of Scranton, and it has been my

12 privilege to work with Jean Broland in the United

13 Neighborhood Division of Fair Housing.

14 Tonight I would just like to take a

15 small amount of time to raise awareness for the Fair

16 Housing of Pennsylvania, the UNC's response to the act,

17 and the general guidelines for fair housing practices

18 all community members should be aware of.

19 According to the Commonwealth of

20 Pennsylvania's Fair Housing Practices Act, it is

21 unlawful to refuse, to sell or lease housing because of

22 a person's race, color, religion, sex, ancestry,

23 national orgin, any disabilities, familial status or

24 the age of the tenant or the buyer.

25 Along similar lines, it is also


1 unlawful to retaliate against an individual because

2 they filed a complaint with the Fair Housing Commission

3 or Human Relations Commission regarding discrimination

4 when leasing or buying property.

5 If it is suspected that you or someone

6 that you know has been discriminated against while

7 trying to obtain housing, according to the previously

8 mentioned reasons, there is a 180-day period beginning

9 the day of the incident from which you can file a

10 complaint with the state.

11 To get assistance with any filing

12 processes or if there's any questions about this Fair

13 Housing Act, which I know myself was not aware of, and

14 I'm sure many citizens of Scranton are also not aware

15 of, United Neighborhood Center will gladly provide free

16 consultations with tenants and suspected victims of

17 discrimination.

18 Contacts should be initiated with Jean

19 Broland at the phone number of 346-0759 at extension

20 110. And they will help evaluate the situation to

21 determine if discrimination did occur, and they will

22 also provide further investigation to help through the

23 filing process.

24 Again, if any member of the City of

25 Scranton knows of anyone who's been discriminated


1 against when filing for housing or applying for a

2 tenantship, please contact Jean Broland at 346-0759,

3 Extension 110, with the United Neighborhood Centers

4 Fair Housing Department. Thank you for this time.

5 MS. GATELLI: Thank you very much.

6 MR. JONES: Kevin Jones. I'm a student

7 at Scranton High School. Somebody spoke earlier about

8 a bunch of students missing this meeting. I apologize

9 for not being able to sit there with my fellow Junior

10 Council members. I have an eye infection this evening,

11 and I believe the reason John Gilbride isn't here is

12 because he has a baseball game; is that correct,

13 Mr. McTiernan? Do you know if there's a game tonight?

14 And Matt Butler isn't here, I believe, because he has

15 physical training for the Army, which he leaves for the

16 end of June.

17 The reason that we were all upset about

18 this Junior City Council is that because the person in

19 question hasn't been here for the past ten weeks.

20 And I completely understand with him

21 working and the caseload that he takes on, which his

22 mother explained to us, which is tremendous. I don't

23 believe I could even handle that. That's incredible.

24 But we've been at school for ten weeks,

25 and the majority of us do go to Scranton High School,


1 and he can corner us, any of us in the hall. We're not

2 hard to approach. But I just don't understand why he

3 couldn't have, like, spoke to us in the hallways at

4 all, because we are there.

5 I would like to have him come back, if

6 he can, if he can find the time in his busy schedule,

7 but he can talk to any of us in the hallway, if he

8 wants.

9 We have a phone sheet that we will give

10 him, and his mother did get a copy of the bylaws a

11 couple minutes ago that Jackson printed up for us,

12 thank you very much. Doug has a copy, and all the

13 members will have one.

14 I just saw what happened before at the

15 house, and I decided to come down because I was kind of

16 mad. Thank you.

17 MS. GATELLI: Thank you. Anyone else?

18 MR. BECK: Good evening, Wayne Beck,

19 East Mountain, taxpaying resident. It's been a long

20 time since I've been here. It's so long, I owe my

21 belated congratulations to the Youth Council and to Kay

22 and her position, and Amil, who I know for 40 years,

23 and congratulations to the new electees and

24 re-electees.

25 I was home watching this on television,


1 and when Mr. Narsavage asked about the South Side

2 Sports Complex, and although I'm not a member of the

3 original or the second lawsuit that has been filed, I

4 do try to keep up on it, because I still use the

5 facility. And I think it I have the facts fairly

6 straight in my mind. If not, I stand to be corrected.

7 The original lawsuit which was filed a

8 couple of years ago by Chris Phillips and Fran Vutnoski

9 is still alive. It bounced back and forth between the

10 Commonwealth Court and the Court in Harrisburg.

11 A second lawsuit that had been filed,

12 and when that was issued a docket number, it was issued

13 the same, from what I understand, the same docket

14 number that the original lawsuit was issued, even

15 though it was filed by a different plaintiff and on

16 totally different grounds. I think it was filed on

17 objection to the -- or I should say supported by the

18 Dedicated Parks Act, and from what I understand, has

19 some substantial teeth to it.

20 But in any event, Judge Mazzoni, I

21 believe, was made aware of this mix-up with the docket

22 number and immediately took action, and Judge Walsh

23 issued an injunction staying the sale or transfer of

24 title until an open hearing could be heard.

25 And I don't know if that's what's going


1 to be held in June or not, but in June it is going to

2 appear before The Court in Harrisburg again, mid-June,

3 13th, 14th, 17th, something like that.

4 But in the meantime, of course,

5 Judge Walsh retired, and he was the one that was

6 hearing the initial lawsuit filed by Fran Vutnoski and

7 Chris Phillips, and the new lawsuit has been assigned

8 to Judge Mazzoni.

9 I hope that he feels there is merit

10 there. It has been outstanding for a long time. It

11 even made it to the House floor back in 2002, maybe,

12 when Representative Veon and DeWeese fought to push

13 Senate Bill 850 through before a new Council could take

14 effect, classified it as a little-used used piece of

15 rough and tumble piece of ground, when the $90,000

16 survey that was performed by an uninterested third

17 party in Bethlehem classified it as the highest used,

18 highest fee generator of any park in the city.

19 So, I think there's been a lot that has

20 happened, a lot of eyes have been opened, and I

21 certainly don't want anybody to, just because it hasn't

22 been brought here to Council or hasn't been in the

23 paper, I don't want anybody to be under the

24 misconception that it's still not alive and not

25 seriously taken by those that utilize the field.


1 And I thank everybody who has helped us

2 all along the way, and I hope that we're going to be

3 successful. And I really believe we could probably

4 have use of that field for years to come, whether or

5 not the lawsuit is settled. And it is still getting a

6 significant amount of use.

7 MS. EVANS: Yes, I've noticed that.

8 I'm very glad that you came, Mr. Beck, because as I

9 said earlier, I thought I had safely assumed that

10 litigation is alive and well, otherwise it would have

11 been long gone, thanks to an old Council and thanks to

12 a lot of people in Harrisburg who bent the law and

13 shaped a new law in order to try to steal from the

14 people of Scranton what's rightfully theirs.

15 MR. BECK: And our thanks go out to

16 them, too, because we know how a lot of them fought,

17 how hard they fought.

18 And just on a different note before I

19 leave. You know I spoke up here before on crime and

20 the fact that I thought it was always here, and I'm not

21 going to get involved with that again, but I would like

22 to say that over the last few months, I've seen an

23 awful lot of activity in South Side by the police

24 force. They're doing a great job, I think.

25 I've witnessed some of the situations


1 firsthand, and you realize what they have to go

2 through, the abuse that they take, the situations they

3 put themselves in, the lack of respect that's given to

4 them when they do try to enforce the law, and the

5 patience that they show, which I wouldn't have, to be

6 honest with you.

7 And I just want to thank them and send

8 my -- Mr. Courtright, you can thank them for me,

9 because you're the liaison there, but I think they're

10 doing a great job over in South Side, and I imagine

11 they are in the rest of the city, too. So, thank you.

12 MS. GATELLI: Thank you.

13 MR. HERNANDEZ: Good evening, Council.

14 My name is Jeff Hernandez, and I attend West Scranton

15 High School.

16 I would like to commend Junior City

17 Council for all their hard work. I think they've done

18 a great job for the city and they're doing a really

19 great job. I will be attending Saturday for that

20 planting party. Yes, I will be planting flowers for

21 the city.

22 I attend West Scranton High School, and

23 I have the opportunity to talk to Doug Miller and

24 Jerome Singleton about my concerns about the City of

25 Scranton and ask them questions.


1 I have been here for the last couple of

2 weeks observing these meetings and learning a great

3 deal about the City of Scranton.

4 Now, it has been brought to my

5 attention that these fellows students of mine have been

6 taken, like -- excuse me. I'm really nervous. But

7 these students -- I'm just nervous. Excuse me. I'm

8 just nervous.

9 MS. GATELLI: Go ahead. Take your

10 time, Honey.

11 MR. HERNANDEZ: Well, I'd like to say

12 that it's not fair to discriminate and attack these

13 kids just because, well, they removed certain people.

14 I have talked to Doug Miller and Jerome

15 about the certain person who was removed from the

16 Junior City Council, and I have to say, although he is

17 a good kid, he missed several meetings. Enough about

18 that.

19 And the last thing I would like to say

20 is, when I came here earlier, I overheard a

21 conversation about two people, two adults, rather,

22 saying very disregarding and disrespectful things

23 toward the City Junior Council. I think that is

24 disrespectful, and that should not be allowed for this.

25 I thank you for this time. Thank you.


1 MS. GATELLI: Thank you, Mr. Hernandez.

2 Chris.

3 MR. SLEDZINSKI: Bill, lower, Bill?

4 MR. COURTRIGHT: Yeah, bring it down.

5 Go ahead.

6 MR. SLEDZINSKI: Judy, could I ask you

7 a question, Jude? This is just for you, Judy, okay?

8 Okay. You know where the high school is, right, Jude?

9 The parking lot there, who put signs up, those bicycle

10 signs up for us? Kids are going to break their necks.

11 Somebody is going to get hit by a car or something down

12 there.

13 MS. GATELLI: Bicycle signs?

14 MR. SLEDZINSKI: Yeah, yeah. By West

15 Side High School. You know where it is, right, Jude?

16 Where we pull in there. Right there.

17 MS. GATELLI: Okay.

18 MR. SLEDZINSKI: Okay. Thanks, Jude.

19 MS. GATELLI: You're welcome.

20 MR. DAVIS: Assalaam Alaikum. I'm a

21 little dismayed, but not really. Politics is at, you

22 know, politics makes strange bedfellows. I was

23 watching the debate for those who are running for state

24 representative.

25 And I said to myself, What does a state


1 representative do? I said, Well, I have a chance here

2 to -- because many people have come to me and they've

3 asked, Who do we vote for? What is the difference?

4 What does a state representative do for the people of a

5 community? How do they represent a people of a

6 community, when they couldn't represent the people of a

7 community as a City Counciler or they have only

8 segments? Is there certain segments? Yes, they're by

9 districts. I understand that's my district.

10 When I explained it to them, I say,

11 Well, sometimes it takes them a period of time to

12 orientate themselves to what is going on in the state

13 government before they become effective as a state

14 representative. They call it a honeymoon period.

15 Now, I think that we have allowed this

16 particular Council a honeymoon period -- an extended

17 honeymoon period, when we are in dire need. So much

18 so, that I think that our students are starting to feel

19 pressure.

20 And I'm sorry for that, because I'm so

21 very proud of you guys. I really was from the very

22 beginning. I thought it was a beautiful move to have

23 you here and have you represent the kids.

24 But it seems as though you let the old

25 people get into your way. And maybe what you have to


1 do is to, as they've asked you to do, bring information

2 to them, as diverse to asking them for information.

3 In other words, if you do your

4 homework, if you do your inspection of good and things

5 like that, and then come to them with possible

6 solutions, then maybe they can work with you.

7 As far as dismissing people because of

8 work and things like that, commitments, I can remember

9 my father saying to me, I don't raise gladiators in my

10 house. You don't play football.

11 That's all there was to it. That was a

12 law. He was the law. He just said, No, you're not

13 going to play football. I said, But dad, the coach

14 wants me. Everybody thinks I'm good. My father said,

15 No. I just don't raise gladiators.

16 So, that's something you have to think

17 about. If you are going to be a politician, be ready

18 for rejection, but hang in there. It's worth it. It

19 really is. Because everybody steps on a stepping stone

20 to get to somewhere.

21 Now, I have a question that you can

22 answer at your leisure, maybe even next week or maybe

23 the week after next week.

24 State representative, what are we

25 getting when we vote for you? And who will you


1 represent? Is there a certain figment or a certain

2 section of the population that you are going to

3 represent more so than others?

4 And that was the question that was

5 asked of me, and I'm bringing it to you. That's the

6 only thing I came -- I came because I was dismayed,

7 because I thought I saw the Junior Council falling

8 apart, and I don't like that idea. As a matter of

9 fact, it made me kind of angry. You're only four weeks

10 into it, and already there's -- well, that's not real.

11 That's not true.

12 I'm glad to see that you're hanging in

13 there, because that's what it takes, a lot of times to

14 hang in there and just be persistent and persevere.

15 That's the only way you are going to learn this road.

16 Thank you very much.

17 MS. GATELLI: Thank you.

18 MR. DAVIS: And, oh, good luck whoever

19 wins that dang election, because I really would like to

20 know --

21 MS. GATELLI: You're lucky, because you

22 get to see the 113th district many times, and we

23 haven't seen the 112th district at all.

24 MR. DAVIS: I haven't seen the 116th.

25 I haven't seen anybody else, so I don't know what's


1 going on. Maybe it's me. Are we selectively showing

2 different people? Are we selectively showing certain

3 candidates? Is this the start of that money or --

4 MS. GATELLI: No . They're all being

5 shown there, and I think they were all interviewed, and

6 they will be on Channel 61, also.

7 MR. DAVIS: I stand corrected.

8 MS. GATELLI: But the 112th is not.

9 The incumbent refuses to debate and refuse to be

10 interviewed, so people in the 112th aren't getting the

11 proper knowledge about who to vote for, and that's

12 unfortunate.

13 MS. HUMPHREY: Hi, everybody. How are

14 you?

15 MS. GATELLI: Fine.

16 MS. HUMPHREY: I came here -- I'm going

17 to speak about politics. Believe you me, I'm going to

18 speak about politics.

19 Me and Mrs. Judy Gatelli made the third

20 page of the paper. I call her -- I'm the female

21 girbaldi (phonetic) of Italy for Peace, and she's the

22 Tammy Baker of politics.

23 I have this picture. Okay. This is

24 what I want to get on with here, the City Council. The

25 newspapers, they don't cover everything, and I noticed


1 on the second day, I never get to watch myself what's

2 happening, and I see some things were censored. Who

3 does the censoring, I don't know.

4 So, anybody that wants to send

5 anything out, if they're not getting what they desire

6 at The Scranton Times, Catholic Light, send your --

7 everything into the Catholic Light. I'm sure they will

8 be able to help. Mr. Genello will help you.

9 The next thing that I have to say is, I

10 am standing here in honor of my forefathers' fathers,

11 my predecessors, my successors of the United States of

12 America, my town, my city, my country and my church,

13 but also in honor of Mr. Evans.

14 I was happy to meet with his father.

15 He put his name and his telephone number on here.

16 MS. GATELLI: Phyllis.

17 MS. HUMPHREY: Mr. Evans --

18 MS. GATELLI: Please, you're not

19 supposed to show those at the Council meetings.

20 MS. HUMPHREY: Oh, I have the number on

21 here because I have something else. I was making

22 different things here.

23 Mr., what's his name, DeNaples was in

24 the paper that he wants this gambling casino and

25 everything.


1 That's fine and dandy in one way, but

2 in another way I feel that it's bringing -- it will

3 bring a lot of jobs, but it's also going to bring a lot

4 of evilness, drugs, sex, you name it, into this area.

5 That's the second thing.

6 The third thing is, I have these books

7 from Bishop Martino for everybody here to have.

8 MS. GATELLI: Phyllis, Phyllis, you're

9 out of order.

10 MS. HUMPHREY: Okay. I just want to

11 know. Okay.

12 MS. GATELLI: You're out of order.

13 MS. HUMPHREY: Freedom of speech, and

14 today is National Prayer Day.

15 MS. GATELLI: Freedom of speech --

16 Attorney Minora, could you please explain the religious

17 ramifications?

18 MR. MINORA: You can't promote religion

19 at these meetings. The meetings are to discuss city

20 business. We're not here to promote one religion.

21 MS. HUMPHREY: Okay. Can I ask you

22 something? This isn't promoting one religion, this is

23 promoting our faith, our belief, our freedom of speech.

24 Mr. Minora, I have a question I want to

25 ask you on a legal aspect. When someone is attacked,


1 battered, abused and they don't do what they're

2 supposed to be doing, the legal system, what would you

3 call that? Would you call that discrimination? Would

4 you call that obstruction of justice?

5 MR. MINORA: I wouldn't call it either.

6 MS. HUMPHREY: What would you call it?

7 MS. GATELLI: I'd call it not city

8 business.

9 MR. MINORA: Right.

10 MS. GATELLI: That's what I would call

11 it.

12 MS. HUMPHREY: But is it city about

13 crime, that there's lower --

14 MS. GATELLI: You can talk about crime,

15 absolutely.

16 MS. HUMPHREY: Okay. Now, here's what

17 I propose. We are in debt, I was told. I don't know

18 how true it is.

19 The gift that God, excuse me, the big

20 one up there it, has given me, I thought that this

21 would be able to help the City of Scranton, and you can

22 call this Uncle Benedict.

23 I would like this to be representing

24 in a special way our Lady of Freedom in the City of

25 Scranton and our mighty counselor of the City of


1 Scranton. It's a gift.

2 And what I have to ask you is you say

3 that it doesn't -- you will not constitute and telling

4 me of misjudgment or obstruction of justice, we have a

5 lot of wonderful policemen here, I will not deny it.

6 They've always came whenever anything happened, which

7 was many times.

8 But the thing was when it came to the

9 reports and came to the district attorneys and going to

10 the courts, they blocked me.

11 What I have is documents here to share

12 with the Council that I want them to document, because

13 they're going to the President of the United States, so

14 I want you to be aware of this.

15 MS. GATELLI: Okay. Thank you.

16 MS. HUMPHREY: Thanks, everybody. I

17 love you. And I wonder when we're going to be in the

18 paper again.

19 MS. GATELLI: Mr. Ancherani. Is anyone

20 else coming up to speak? Phyllis, Phyllis.

21 Mrs. Krake. I'm sorry that you were detained.

22 MS. KRAKE: That's fine. I'm just

23 pleased that there's a place that Phyllis can speak at.

24 I think it's wonderful that we're all here and that she

25 gets a chance too.


1 Actually, last week for Council members

2 voted to review our current distressed status. That

3 has to be one of the best things that has ever happened

4 in this Council chambers within the past five years.

5 And you probably noticed the flury of

6 political spin that started, so apparently people are

7 taking notice and they're scared. So, thank you very

8 much.

9 And actually you received that report,

10 Mrs. Gatelli, that costed the state $1.7 million, the

11 Pennsylvania Economy League. Well, whether that's true

12 or not, no matter what the Pennsylvania Economy League

13 has been paid for work performed, I believe the

14 question should be what work and what results have we

15 seen here in Scranton, no matter what the cost has

16 been?

17 We would have all been better off if

18 the money was spent on -- if the money spent on

19 consultants came back to the municipalities as revenue

20 sharing funds or low interest loans.

21 As I mentioned last week, it's sad to

22 see a community like Nanticoke have to now endure

23 state-funded consultants.

24 The consulting group assigned to

25 Nanticoke is Keystone Municipal Services, a different


1 name, but they're just as ineffective as the consulting

2 group for Scranton, which is the Pennsylvania Economy

3 League.

4 It was refreshing, however, to see the

5 employees and elected officials meet to discuss their

6 city's problems before the state held their distressed

7 hearing. This is a good example of how this process

8 should work, mutual respect between the elected

9 officials and the workers in the City of Nanticoke.

10 The administrators have taken input

11 from the workers and did not assume an automatic

12 adversarial role from the beginning.

13 Because of this tact, the people of

14 Nanticoke will probably work through this together,

15 also, as long as they keep the bean counters or

16 consultants from out of town in check.

17 Unfortunately in Scranton, the rubber

18 stamp Council of the past enabled Mayor Doherty's

19 agenda of division and catastrophic debt to become a

20 way of life for us.

21 Passing the Recovery Plan in 2002 was a

22 universally unique action of deep seated polarization

23 of a community. That's a lot to say for what actually

24 happened.

25 Some of those conflicts that were


1 created and that remain with us today would be downtown

2 versus neighborhoods, parks versus potholes,

3 progressive restructuring versus management perks, and

4 the most blatant tax relief versus crony enrichment.

5 And today actually The Times got it

6 right, The Times' cartoonist, that is, the Recovery

7 Plan should be buried deep.

8 Nanticoke is in the infancy of Act 47.

9 But after seeing how this city has approached the

10 process from the beginning, maybe a community like

11 Scranton, that has been in distressed status for

12 14 years, can take a lesson of mutual respect and

13 cooperation from Nanticoke.

14 And I have one more thing I'd like to

15 ask. Mrs. Wardell asked me to mention it. The

16 handicapped entrance was not open today, and I guess

17 many evenings it's not, so if we could look into that.

18 It was a struggle for some people to get in. Som thank

19 you.

20 MS. GATELLI: Thank you. Mr.

21 Ancherani.

22 MR. ANCHERANI: Good evening, Council.

23 I'm Nelson Ancherani, I'm a resident, taxpayer, city

24 employee and financial secretary of the FOP.

25 I heard what you had said about the


1 soldiers. That's good that's it's moving along.

2 I come with my opinion and First

3 Amendment rights. Again, the one newspaper in this

4 town fumbled the ball. They had the chance to tell the

5 full story about the distressed label that this city

6 has had for the last 14 years. And that's right, 14,

7 not 13 like their editorial says.

8 Their editorial of 4/30/06 is titled,

9 Truth still hurts. City is distressed. They are

10 right. The truth hurts. That is why they don't print

11 the full story.

12 The truth hurts, and this paper can't

13 handle the truth. Who are these editorialists? These

14 faceless Halloweeners?

15 I don't hide behind an editorial. I

16 don't wear a mask like they do. This is cowardly.

17 These Halloweeners chastise the Council for taking the

18 initiative to rid the city of the distressed label.

19 Where is this newspaper chastising this

20 mayor for spending us into bankruptcy for his fiscal

21 irresponsibility in the putting this city into $240

22 million plus debt?

23 Why are these Halloweeners hiding

24 behind their masks? Are they yellow masks that extend

25 down their backs? This mayor is spending this city


1 into oblivion, and they sit back and don't print a word

2 about it.

3 This is a sad day in Scranton history

4 in this one newspaper town. These editorialists are

5 concerned. And, well, they should be, that the award

6 by the arbitrator to the police union will be costly.

7 The paper says the award will be $2.4

8 million. That's if you believe the newspaper. What

9 the newspaper fails to say is that the mayor in the

10 last five years violated his own Recovery Plan to the

11 tune of $5.5 million in raises and new hires, while

12 laying off clerical workers. Where were the

13 editorialists?

14 And we have to remind you that the

15 unions got nothing during that whole time. The last

16 paragraph of that editorial says, Mr. Courtright knows

17 that something has changed, however, since the

18 inception of the program, the Doherty Administration

19 has strived to implement meaningful change through the

20 Recovery Plan Program, which it continued to do so.

21 And I say, What has the Doherty

22 Administration strived to implement? What meaningful

23 change? I guess they mean violating the Recovery Plan

24 is meaningful change.

25 I have questions and observations now.


1 Approximately ten months ago I brought this up, and I

2 ask again, Where is the DPW on Diamond Avenue?

3 I'm asking, because a while back a

4 company was paid $3,428 to furnish and install wiring,

5 switching and receptacles at the DPW on Diamond Avenue.

6 So, I say, where on Diamond Avenue?

7 There's a building out there that, what

8 I was told, and I don't know how true it is, that they

9 were doing to work for our catch basins.

10 If they were, is that private property?

11 There's a sign on it of a private contractor. So, if

12 it isn't our property, why are we doing work there?

13 A while back I said that there was a

14 novelty shop that sold hardware for flags or that

15 charged the city $314.40 for hardware for flags.

16 That wasn't bad, but they changed $1670

17 to restock, charge, and a freight on that. Where were

18 the newspaper editorialists on that?

19 Verizon Wireless, they were paid for

20 phone bills for two parties from the city. One was

21 $336, one was $243, and one was $390, two parties for

22 the City of Scranton phone bills.

23 One company was paid for a banner, and

24 I like Gerry McNamara, I think he did a great job, but

25 I think for that banner, $1250 is a lot of money.


1 Scranton Tomorrow, Development

2 Renaissance Project, $300; Leadership Lackawanna, $950;

3 Signs By Tomorrow, $1200, banners for Bush and Rendell.

4 A fireworks company, $10,000;

5 Reimbursement of airfare regarding the Memphis

6 Manifesto, 516; neighborhood development trust fund,

7 $10,664, again, $10,664; again, for the Neighborhood

8 Development Trust Fund $10,648; Pennsylvania League of

9 Cities, $27,633.20; PA League of Cities, $20,865.88; PA

10 League of Cities, $27,633.

11 These are all bills that they paid.

12 Where was the newspaper when these were being paid?

13 This is all city business, but yet we hear nothing from

14 the newspaper at all. I thank you for letting me take

15 the time.

16 MS. GATELLI: Thank you very much. Is

17 there anyone else that cares to speak? Mrs. Garvey.

18 MS. GARVEY: 5-A, Motions.

19 MS. GATELLI: Mrs. Evans.

20 MS. EVANS: Good evening. I received

21 an update tonight on the plaque in memory of

22 Mr. Lasess, Jerome Lasess at the Wildlife Center.

23 We're very pleased that it has been approved by the

24 Recreation Authority and by Mr. Scopelliti, however, we

25 now need the approval of the mayor in order to install


1 that plaque in the zoo, so I am hoping that we will

2 receive that agreement from him in the very near future

3 and have that plaque installed with a very nice small

4 ceremony commemorating all of the work of Mr. Lasess.

5 And do we have a report on Southern

6 Union yet regarding their building?

7 MS. GATELLI: No. Sherry was supposed

8 to meet with them.

9 MS. EVANS: Okay. I also have a list

10 of citizens' requests for the week. Trim the tree

11 nearest the flagpole at light pole at Connell Park, and

12 I'm hoping as they are renovating the park, they're

13 going to keep these requests in mind.

14 Also, the residents of Connell Park

15 area would like a plaque honoring Gene Marlow installed

16 near the flagpole in Connell Park. They're very proud

17 of her participation in the All-American Girls Baseball

18 League and her inclusion in the Hall of Fame,

19 particularly since she grew up in their neighborhood.

20 Residents of the Connell Park area

21 would like to know where the monument from Hickory

22 Street and Pittston Avenue is. It was removed many

23 years ago, and it listed those South Side residents who

24 fought and those who died in defense of our country.

25 They request that the monument be installed in Connell


1 Park.

2 A sewer basin at 1920 North Washington

3 Avenue was cleared by the Sewer Authority, but the

4 residents of the block request that a hydro jet be used

5 to thoroughly open it.

6 604 Warner Street, the front lawn is

7 littered with debris which is blowing onto other

8 properties. Please send an inspector quickly, because

9 the neighbors, particularly one older gentleman, is

10 very upset by the situation.

11 Greenwood Avenue at the Corey Street

12 end, please replace the No Trucks Allowed sign on this

13 block which was knocked down and disposed of.

14 Pave Kearney Court between Corey Street

15 and Warner Street, which is desperately in need of

16 work. Hermans Avenue behind 26 Dean Street, for over

17 one year a burned-out shell of a house continues to

18 stand. There are no windows and the roof appears to be

19 caving in spots. It's also a harbor for cats and

20 pigeons. When will this structure be demolished?

21 Also, please notify the police

22 department. I don't know that there really is anything

23 they will be able to do, but hopefully they can take a

24 look at this.

25 Notify them about the following


1 problem, the exit ramp off of I-81 at River Street to

2 Meadow Avenue. Between four and 5 p.m., numerous

3 vehicles wait legally in the left lane to turn left,

4 while others pass on the right, turn into the parking

5 lot of the Salvation Army and pull ahead of the cars

6 trying to turn left off the exit thereby stalling those

7 in line even further.

8 Those who commute daily to Wilkes-Barre

9 have contacted me for possible assistance and indicate

10 that the problem reaches a peak on Fridays.

11 The corner of Alder Street and Prospect

12 Avenue, a manhole cover is crushed and the concrete is

13 sinking, and a girl has already broken her ankle from

14 stepping into this depression. I originally made this

15 report in the fall of 2005, and I would like to see

16 progress now.

17 Morgan Court in the rear of 527 Alder

18 Street, there are pave cuts that were never finished,

19 and residents of the area deserve to have the work

20 finished.

21 Finally, I wish to thank Ryan Kelly for

22 reporting the potholes behind Neil Armstrong School.

23 He's nine-years-old, plays ball at the North Scranton

24 Little League and watches Council meetings every

25 Thursday night. I was notified today that the potholes


1 were indeed filled. Good job, Ryan.

2 And one last motion, I move that the

3 Office of Licensing Inspections and Permits would cease

4 sending certified letters to city residents, and

5 instead use those monies for the purchase of address

6 numbers which will be posted as they are noticed by the

7 inspectors throughout the city.

8 MS. GATELLI: I'll second that motion.

9 However, I'm not sure that you can put the numbers on a

10 house without the person's permission.

11 MS. EVANS: Oh, I don't think they'll

12 object. I don't think they should put it on while

13 they're not home, but I can't imagine anyone, on the

14 other hand, though, not wishing to have the quickest

15 availability of any type of emergency service, because

16 you don't know when something is going to happen to you

17 or your home.

18 MS. GATELLI: Yes, that's true. On the

19 question?

20 MR. COURTRIGHT: I'll vote in the

21 affirmative. I don't know if we're able to do that or

22 not. I guess we have to ask Mr. Fiorini first, but

23 I'll vote to see what he has to say.

24 MS. EVANS: Thank you. Well, I'm

25 hoping, you know, that they're going to do the right


1 thing there, because even, you know, as you listen to

2 the requests that citizens report to me week after week

3 after week, how many of them fall under the

4 jurisdiction of that office and how many of them have

5 been waiting for month after month, year after year

6 after year, and I don't see that there's any rush to

7 action in those particular instances, yet I find it

8 highly questionable that there was such a rush to

9 action with regard to these residents, and I think

10 they're being placed unfairly in the middle simply

11 because it's election time and simply because the

12 administration supports their own candidate. And I'm

13 not going to allow the people of Scranton to be the

14 pawns in an administrative game of chess. So, I want

15 it to be straightened out.

16 MS. MCTIERNAN: Mrs. Gatelli, I think

17 it's a certainly a noble idea, but I would want to know

18 from Attorney Minora whether we can send city officials

19 or city employees on the private property to place

20 numbers or ornaments on private homes.

21 I think it's a great idea. I would

22 vote yes if it was to cease using the certified

23 letters, but I would like the solicitor's opinion as to

24 whether we can send someone on private property.

25 MR. MINORA: Well --


1 MS. GATELLI: Maybe we can have them

2 available here and put it in the letter.

3 MS. EVANS: Well, actually, yeah, I

4 don't know about maybe installing, but the inspectors

5 are allowed on private property.

6 In fact, when there is a junk vehicle

7 or an abandoned vehicle that is not located on a city

8 street, it's the police, I believe, who cannot go onto

9 private property to take action in that instance, but

10 the city inspectors are empowered to do so.

11 MR. MINORA: I think it's a safety

12 issue you're raising; is that right --

13 MS. EVANS: Yes.

14 MR. MINORA: -- so emergency vehicles

15 would be able to recognize homes? I don't think in

16 that circumstance the city would have the right to

17 number the houses.

18 MR. MCTIERNAN: So, that's in the

19 statute if I don't want the -- I don't like the design

20 or it doesn't match my house? I know it sounds

21 ridiculous, but we have someone who says you put brass

22 or black and I want brass.

23 I just -- I think Mrs. Gatelli's ideas

24 if we're going to do this, make it available, but I

25 just think we're opening up a can of worms. It


1 certainly is a safety issue.

2 MR. MINORA: It certainly makes it

3 cleaner to require somebody from that office to knock

4 on the door and ask permission --

5 MS. EVANS: Yes. But I think --

6 MR. MINORA: -- or get a release.

7 That's obviously a much cleaner way to do it, but for

8 safety reasons --

9 MS. GATELLI: I think the more

10 important issue is not to have the letter attached from

11 City Council, because it's not our job to enforce that.

12 MS. EVANS: But I also don't believe

13 they need to be wasting money sending certified

14 letters, because they're costly, and that type of money

15 is better used to purchase the numbers.

16 Because, you know, I think you notice

17 as you travel around this city, the more affluent homes

18 certainly have the address numbers and sometimes

19 they're in brass and they're very proudly displayed.

20 It seems to be very often those who may

21 not have the means or even the opportunity to go and

22 get something like that. And we're just trying to

23 assist them, not to glamorize the home, but just assist

24 them and put it in a place where it's simply visible in

25 the event of an emergency. And I bet even the post


1 office will give us at 'at a boy for that.

2 MS. GATELLI: Are you restricting that

3 just to house signs, not sending certified mail?

4 MS. EVANS: Yes, just -- well, it's not

5 -- the address numbers.

6 MS. GATELLI: Okay.

7 MR. MINORA: So I understand the

8 motion, it's to cease sending certified mail from the

9 Office of Licensing and Inspections and to use that

10 money to provide a numbering system for the homes?

11 MS. EVANS: Uh-huh. But we're talking

12 about, only as Mrs. Gatelli said --

13 MS. GATELLI: Only the house number

14 issue.

15 MS. EVANS: -- this instant. We're not

16 saying that this office is never to send certified

17 letters.

18 MR. MINORA: Just for the address, the

19 city addresses.

20 MS. EVANS: Right.

21 MR. MINORA: And is the motion amended

22 to say they're going to seek permission to put the

23 number on, or are they to just go ahead and do that

24 whether or not they have permission?

25 MS. GATELLI: Well, maybe they can say


1 in the letter, you know, if you do not respond within

2 so many days, we will put numbers, you know, this

3 office will.

4 MR. MCTIERNAN: Don't these folks --

5 aren't we identifying these houses by someone being

6 physically present seeing it? Why don't we use the

7 money them to put a warning tag or a door tag on it and

8 say, You're not in compliance, instead of putting

9 people on a property?

10 I mean, that's -- I'm just afraid now

11 it's a safety issue for a vehicle that's out of the

12 motor code -- the vehicle code that's a safety issue,

13 and, you know, now we have to repair mufflers. It just

14 doesn't make sense to me. That's all.

15 I would think that we could use that

16 money if there's a person walking around and they are

17 noticing there's a home out of compliance, they would

18 have a series of tags in their possession, tag the door

19 saying you're out of compliance and next week walk

20 around. I'd rather make it a provision where we can

21 enforce that, and certainly we can use other funds to

22 make those available.

23 MS. EVANS: Well, I think we already

24 have such an ordinance on the books. And, to me, as I

25 said, it's more a safety issue, though, I do agree that


1 it can be seen as setting a precedent for other things,

2 I don't think that, you know, the city providing a

3 muffler is going to be in the same category with, you

4 know, maybe a dollar per house so that the residents of

5 that home are protected in case of emergency.

6 MS. GATELLI: Well, we're going to have

7 Amil investigate this. This is motion really, right?

8 MS. EVANS: Uh-huh. Well, no, it

9 wasn't for him to investigate it, it was the motion to

10 have the office stop sending certified letters, because

11 it is a waist of good money.

12 And, you know, furthermore, if you're

13 going to go out and tag all of these homes and then

14 send a follow-up letter or send people back again,

15 you're using a good deal of manpower here where you

16 just simply go out with the numbers and say these are

17 the numbers. Would you like to put them on yourself or

18 would you like us to do it for you? It's for your

19 health, safety and protection.

20 MS. GATELLI: Anyone else on the

21 question? All those in favor, say aye.

22 MS. EVANS: Aye.


24 MS. GATELLI: Aye. Opposed?



1 MS. GATELLI: The ayes have it and so

2 moved.

3 MS. EVANS: That's it.

4 MS. GATELLI: Mr. McTiernan.

5 MR. MCTIERNAN: Thank you, Mrs.

6 Gatelli. Mrs. Garvey, could you do me a favor, please?

7 Regarding that veterans issue that was brought up

8 earlier tonight, would you mind making a contact with

9 Mrs. Novembrino's office to see from the 2005 budget if

10 there were any expenditures for the $150 line item for

11 the Veterans, please?

12 And I would ask the same request for

13 the 2006 budget, if you would, please. And just where

14 those checks were allocated to, if you would. Thank

15 you very much.

16 And I just want to say that I have a

17 previous commitment on Saturday, that I will not be

18 able to make your -- Junior Council's event on

19 Saturday, but I wish you well, and hopefully I will be

20 able to help and participate in a future event.

21 And number three, I did have an

22 opportunity to speak with members from the

23 administration, and I am interested in finding more

24 details out regarding the proposals that were studied

25 in the arbitration award case regarding the police


1 union, as well as the firefighters contract

2 arbitration, and I am hoping -- the administration

3 asked -- they said that they feel a decision will be

4 imminent regarding the firefighters decision and that

5 it would be premature to discuss one without the other,

6 because I think there are me too issues and they're

7 probably inextricably linked.

8 So, I did get a verbal commitment that,

9 as Mrs. Gatelli pointed out earlier today, that there

10 would be an executive session regarding those. And

11 what I've asked for in addition was a study or an

12 analysis, and actually waiting for the fire arbitration

13 to come through, would give the administration some

14 time to, number one, outline both proposals, the

15 administration's proposal, as well as the collective

16 bargaining units' proposals in their entirety so that

17 Council can view them to find out exactly where we were

18 prior to the arbitrations. And then we can probably

19 make a more informed decision regarding the appeals

20 process.

21 I'm also asking that the administration

22 prepares a detailed analysis, not a one-page analysis,

23 but a detailed analysis on those proposals and the

24 impact on the community, and probably using a few case

25 studies with individual homes and properties in the


1 city and how the impact of both proposals would affect

2 individual persons within the city.

3 And what is the last thing I have here?

4 We know that continuing along with the current

5 contracts as they are, we're operating under the old

6 contracts, and they have a certain cost, which we know,

7 because we've been working on those budgets for the

8 last few years.

9 So, we're hoping -- I'm hoping to have

10 a detailed analysis so that we can make a more informed

11 decision regarding those. I can feel a little better

12 about the way we vote. So, I'm looking forward to a

13 large amount of information to study over the next few

14 weeks.

15 And we have a letter from a -- an

16 anonymous, or I should say a confidential individual

17 who is outlining a situation relative to the revenue

18 side of the taxes, that there are folks who maintain

19 properties in the city, yet officially list residences

20 outside of the city.

21 And I do not know the mechanism, but I

22 would suggest that any citizens that know of people who

23 reside in the city, yet claim to live outside the city,

24 therefore, dodging a tax, about two percent plus, that

25 they should report it to Council and then we can


1 forward it to the appropriate people to see whether or

2 not that person is avoiding income tax. That is

3 something that is not legal.

4 So, we can certainly look at that. And

5 I think every one of us in this room pays our fair

6 share for living here. So, I think it would only be

7 fair if you live in the city and maintain a residence

8 in the city, that you should pay your fair share, as

9 well. And that's all I have, Mrs. Gatelli. Thank you.

10 MS. GATELLI: Thank you.

11 MS. EVANS: Can I just add something,

12 though? I like the information that Mr. McTiernan

13 seeks, but if we can also obtain what the potential

14 cost of an appeal --


16 MS. EVANS: -- will run. And, oh, my

17 goodness. There was something else.

18 MR. MCTIERNAN: That's a good balance.

19 If you think about that, you're look at the cost of

20 maintaining the current contract, which we all know,

21 because some of us on the dais here, and Mr. Courtright

22 formerly, we all have experience with collective

23 bargaining, and there are times when an expired

24 contract is beneficial.

25 I think that's obvious. And anyone


1 who's a union member or has been a union member may

2 have been in that situation, where sitting on a former

3 contract is beneficial to the membership.

4 And that's the job of the union

5 leadership to promote the interests of their

6 membership. That's without question. So, I think

7 you're right.

8 To analyze the cost of maintaining the

9 current collective bargaining agreement, the cost of

10 appealing it, and then the cost of implementing the

11 arbitrator's agreement is definitely reasonable. Thank

12 you.

13 MS. EVANS: And just one quick thing,

14 you jogged my memory as you were discussing another

15 issue. Kay, did we ever hear from Mrs. Moran

16 concerning the DPW worker who resides outside of the

17 city --

18 MS. GARVEY: No.

19 MS. EVANS: -- but is employed?

20 MS. GARVEY: No, I didn't get anything

21 back yet.

22 MS. EVANS: Could we give her a call,

23 please, tomorrow, and remind her that we're waiting for

24 that response?

25 MS. GARVEY: Okay. I'll call her


1 tomorrow.

2 MS. EVANS: And if there -- if they

3 need some cooperation to expedite the discovery, I do

4 have the name of the individual.

5 MS. GARVEY: Okay.

6 MS. GATELLI: Mr. Courtright.

7 MR. COURTRIGHT: Yes. I'm happy to

8 report our own Chrissy Sledzinski brought up before

9 about Main Avenue and Jackson Street, the catch basin.

10 It's not fixed yet, but they've got a horse around and

11 they've got a line painted around it, so I'm assuming

12 they're going to fix it soon.

13 As I was standing there, I ran into a

14 supervisor from the Sewer Authority, and he -- they got

15 the letter that we sent down about a schedule for the

16 catch basins, and he told me off the top of his head he

17 believes that they did 900 catch basins in the last

18 four months, and he said he's aggressively pursuing

19 doing all of them. So, hopefully we will have every

20 catch basin done in the near future.

21 And, Kay, I don't know who I send this

22 to, whether it would be -- I'm guessing maybe Mr.

23 Parker. On Sloan and Parrot, I've gone through this in

24 the past when I first came on Council, for some, I have

25 no idea why, but for some reason every so often we have


1 a tractor-trailer driving down that street. I can't

2 imagine what they're doing there, but they're

3 destroying this man's sidewalk.

4 They go up other his sidewalk all the

5 time, and he spent a lot of money to fix these

6 sidewalks. Now, I don't know if the city could -- I

7 don't think he could legally put any kind of a barrier

8 on there, but if he could take a look at that situation

9 and give a recommendation to me and I can tell the

10 resident what could be done there.

11 I know if you put those pipes in the

12 ground, then you're liable if something happens and

13 somebody for insurance, but if there's anything the

14 city could do.

15 You know, I feel really bad for this

16 guy. He spent a lot of money on these sidewalks, and

17 it's repeatedly happening.

18 And I'll speak with the police

19 department to see if we can post that no trucks be

20 allowed on that road. I just can't imagine what

21 they're doing there.

22 He tried to get the license plate off

23 of it, but they couldn't get it. They do have the name

24 of the trucking company, so maybe I can forward that to

25 the police department.


1 One other thing, Kay, they're going to

2 be calling you Jay soon. I know we ordered police cars

3 quite a while ago, and they haven't materialized. So,

4 could we ask Mr. Lynady where they're at?

5 I see we've got guys doubled up in

6 cars, and I don't like to see that. So, if we can ask

7 Mr. Lynady where the police cars are? Are they on

8 their way? Did they get lost? What happened?

9 And Luzerne Street heading towards

10 Keyser Avenue, when Mr. Pocius was here, he was

11 actively involved in it, the railroad crossing there.

12 Well, they now have the arms up to come

13 down when a train goes by, so hopefully no more

14 accidents. And we thank everybody involved in getting

15 that done. That was a real problem there.

16 And just one last thing, hats off to

17 the fire department again. One of the biggest fires in

18 recent history last week, a tough fire to fight, but

19 they did a wonderful job. And we would like to thank

20 them for that. And that's all I have, Mrs. Gatelli.

21 Thank you.

22 MS. GATELLI: Thank you. I only have a

23 few things. I'd like to make a motion that we send a

24 letter to the mayor to look into the possibility of

25 hiring some more CommD patrols with the EMS Tax. I


1 know that's one of the reasons that it is collected.

2 So, I'd like to look into that possibility. For next

3 year's budget.

4 MR. COURTRIGHT: I'll second the

5 motion. But on the question, Mrs. Gatelli, I think we

6 were told we were topped out; isn't that what they told

7 us? We spent as much as we could spend on CommD money,

8 because you could only spend so much. We tried with

9 the last Council to get more.

10 MS. EVANS: I think we should let Mrs.

11 Gatelli give it a try.

12 MR. COURTRIGHT: Well, if she could get

13 them to raise that, go right ahead.

14 MS. GATELLI: Or maybe not CommD.

15 We'll call it something else.

16 MS. EVANS: Take it from anywhere --

17 anywhere they can find it.

18 MS. GATELLI: I talked to the mayor a

19 little bit, but we didn't look into it. When we were

20 in OECD, we hired Community Development Officers that

21 were on reserve. They weren't actual police officers,

22 but they were certified, and they were on the list to

23 be hired, and we used them.

24 Now, there were some union problems

25 that surfaced, and we weren't allowed to do that


1 anymore. But I think if we all get together and

2 recognize the need for more officers, I think the union

3 would certainly be amenable to that idea. So, I would

4 like that investigated. That's my motion. On the

5 question? All in favor.

6 MS. EVANS: Aye.



9 MS. GATELLI: Aye. Opposed? The ayes

10 have it and so moved. I'm going to make another motion

11 that Mr. Jones be reinstated until the bylaws take

12 effect.

13 MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.

14 MS. GATELLI: On the question?

15 MS. EVANS: Have the bylaws already

16 taken effect?

17 MS. GATELLI: I'm not sure.

18 MS. EVANS: I saw them this evening,

19 and they're signed by Doug Miller and dated as of

20 today.

21 MS. GATELLI: Well, let me change my

22 motion then. Kill that motion. And I'd like to make a

23 motion that the Junior City Council call Mr. Jones and

24 ask him what his intentions are and read him the

25 bylaws, and if he can abide by the bylaws, that he's


1 allowed to come back. That's my motion.

2 MR. COURTRIGHT: Second. Do we have to

3 vote down the first motion, though, Mr. Minora?

4 MS. GATELLI: No, I killed it. Nobody

5 seconded it.

6 MR. MINORA: Your fir motion was

7 withdrawn, wasn't it?

8 MS. GATELLI: Yeah. So, that's my

9 second motion, that they contact Corey.

10 MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.

11 MS. EVANS: On the question?

12 MS. GATELLI: Yes.

13 MS. EVANS: The bylaws were written by

14 whom? You wrote them, Jackson? They're not based on

15 anything else?

16 MR. LOCKHEAD: They're based on

17 Roberts Rules.

18 MS. GATELLI: Roberts Rules, he looked

19 at.

20 MS. EVANS: So, you took it out of

21 there?

22 MR. LOCKHEAD: Yes. I used everything

23 that you have.

24 MS. EVANS: And then adapted it?



1 MS. EVANS: I see. Okay. Thanks.

2 MS. GATELLI: Anyone else on the

3 question? All in favor.

4 MS. EVANS: Aye.



7 MS. GATELLI: Aye. Opposed? The ayes

8 have it and so moved. And that's all I have, Mrs.

9 Garvey.

10 MR. MCTIERNAN: Judy, could I have a

11 moment? Kay, can I give you the account number for

12 those Veterans' funds? That might help you what to ask

13 for. It's Account No. 01.401.17020.4299. Thank you.

14 MS. GARVEY: Fifth order. 5-B - FOR








22 MS. GATELLI: At this time I'll

23 entertain a motion that Item 5-B be introduced.

24 MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.

25 MS. EVANS: Second.


1 MS. GATELLI: On the question?

2 MS. EVANS: Yes. I'd like to

3 congratulate Father Harris. He is in charge of my

4 parish, St. Paul's. So, it's very nice indeed to see

5 him come on board.

6 MS. GATELLI: Anyone else on the

7 question? All in favor.

8 MS. EVANS: Aye.



11 MS. GATELLI: Aye. Opposed? The ayes

12 have it and so moved.








20 DECEMBER 31, 2008.

21 MS. GATELLI: At this time I'll

22 entertain a motion for 5-C.

23 MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.

24 MS. EVANS: Second.

25 MS. GATELLI: On the question? All


1 those in favor, signify by saying aye.

2 MS. EVANS: Aye.



5 MS. GATELLI: Aye. Opposed? The ayes

6 have it and so moved.







13 MS. GATELLI: At this time I'll

14 entertain a motion that 5-D be introduced.

15 MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.

16 MR. MCTIERNAN: Second.

17 MS. GATELLI: On the question? All

18 those in favor.

19 MS. EVANS: Aye.



22 MS. GATELLI: Aye. Opposed? The ayes

23 have it and so moved.









6 MS. GATELLI: At this time I'll

7 entertain a motion that 5-E be introduced.

8 MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.

9 MS. EVANS: Second.

10 MS. GATELLI: On the question?

11 MR. COURTRIGHT: On the question,

12 Mrs. Gatelli. There's a whole binder full of

13 information, so we need to take a look at it, but I

14 will be vote in the affirmative just to move it

15 forward.

16 MS. GATELLI: Anyone else? All in

17 favor.

18 MS. EVANS: Aye.



21 MS. GATELLI: Aye. Opposed? The ayes

22 have it and so moved.

23 MS. GARVEY: Sixth order. 6-A -






3 PENNSYLVANIA, 18512, FOR THE SUM OF $2,000.00.

4 MS. GATELLI: You've heard reading by

5 title of Item 6-A, what is your pleasure?

6 MR. COURTRIGHT: I move that Item 6-A

7 pass reading by title.

8 MS. EVANS Second.

9 MS. GATELLI: On the question? All

10 those in favor, signify by saying aye.

11 MS. EVANS: Aye.



14 MS. GATELLI: Aye. Opposed? The ayes

15 have it and so moved.






21 $1,100.00.

22 MS. GATELLI: You've heard reading by

23 title of Item 6-B, what is your pleasure?

24 MR. COURTRIGHT: I move that Item 6-B

25 pass reading by title.


1 MS. EVANS: Second.

2 MS. GATELLI: On the question? All

3 those in favor.

4 MS. EVANS: Aye.



7 MS. GATELLI: Aye. Opposed? The ayes

8 have it and so moved.






14 MS. GATELLI: You've heard reading by

15 title of Item 6-C, what is your pleasure?

16 MR. COURTRIGHT: I move that Item 6-C

17 pass reading by title.

18 MS. EVANS: Second.

19 MS. GATELLI: On the question? All

20 those in favor.

21 MS. EVANS: Aye.



24 MS. GATELLI: Aye. Opposed? The ayes

25 have it and so moved.


1 MS. GARVEY: Seventh order. 7-A - FOR










11 APRIL 15, 2006 AND ENDING APRIL 14, 2009.

12 MS. GATELLI: As chairperson for the

13 committee on rules, I recommend final passage of Item

14 7-A.

15 MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.

16 MS. GATELLI: On the question?

17 MR. MCTIERNAN: I'd like to make a

18 motion to amend 7-A to read in the last sentence

19 amending the term from three years to one year.

20 The purpose being is that there is one

21 little league that is in discussion with the Scranton

22 School District regarding an agreement for that, and a

23 three-year agreement might preclude further

24 negotiations.

25 I understand Mr. Courtright and


1 Mrs. Gatelli spoke with little league representatives,

2 and I know that the district would be agreeable to try

3 to do that.

4 I know the district has plans to dump a

5 significant amount of money into that facility for use

6 by the little leagues, and in cooperation with the

7 Sloan Little League in particular.

8 MS. GATELLI: Can we make that

9 amendment, Attorney Minora?

10 MR. MINORA: Yes.

11 MS. GATELLI: So, it would read a

12 one-year period.

13 MR. MCTIERNAN: Correct.

14 MS. EVANS: Don't you have to make a

15 motion to amend?

16 MR. MCTIERNAN: I did.

17 MS. EVANS: And it was seconded?

18 MS. GATELLI: No I didn't hear a

19 second. I'll second it. On the question?

20 MS. EVANS: Yes. I think -- my

21 understanding of that property is that it falls under

22 Project 70 land, and it's going to be quite difficult

23 to move that along.

24 This broaches the situation that we've

25 encountered over the South Side Complex, and I, too,


1 have spoken with representatives of the Sloan Little

2 League, and it's their desire to sublease their fields

3 to the Scranton School District, as they very often

4 have, and they're quite agreeable to continue doing

5 just that. So, I'm not going to approve the amendment.

6 MS. GATELLI: Anyone else on the

7 question? No? I'd just like to just say that we spoke

8 to Paul Brode at six o'clock, and he had no objections

9 to us doing the one year so that they can negotiate

10 with each other.

11 MR. MCTIERNAN: And I would be willing

12 -- I spoke with Mr. Sheridan, who is the CEO of the

13 school district, this afternoon before I came in, and

14 if it were agreeable to Council to table this for one

15 week, as opposed to an amendment, I would withdraw my

16 motion and we can have that discussion right here.

17 What the problem is, as I understand

18 it, we have folks talking to the lawyers independently.

19 And I know Mrs. Gatelli has had contact with Mr.

20 Farrell, as have I.

21 And Mr. Farrell -- Attorney Farrell and

22 Attorney McGrath, for the school district, haven't had

23 the ability to have direct communications. And there

24 is some discussion as to whether or not they can enter

25 into a lease agreement that would not violate the Act


1 that Sloan Field was built under.

2 So, Mr. Sheridan asked that if we

3 cannot come to an agreement regarding an amendment, he

4 would respectfully request that if we could table that

5 for one week, and I would withdraw my motion if we had

6 an agreement on that.

7 MR. COURTRIGHT: Maybe I should suggest

8 we table it, because I was going to vote no, so it

9 would be a two to two, and it would fail, all right?

10 And the only reason I was voting no is

11 when I spoke to Pete right before we came out here, he

12 was hoping he said that we went along with it, and then

13 if, in fact, they did have an agreement, they would be

14 willing to null and void a three-year contract.

15 So, now we'd have a 2-2 vote and it

16 would fail. So, maybe we can table it and we can --

17 MS. EVANS: Well, my concern is, you

18 know, at least in the past the school district was not

19 willing to commitment to writing any of the promises

20 that they were extending to Sloan Little League, just

21 very similar to the situation with the University of

22 Scranton and the citizens of Scranton. Nothing could

23 be put in writing. We were supposed to take their word

24 that citizens would be allowed to use that facility.

25 So --


1 MS. GATELLI: Yeah, but if that

2 happens, we'll just vote no, because I'm not voting

3 against the little league either.

4 MS. EVANS: Well, they've been, you

5 know, single handedly maintaining that field for years.

6 MS. GATELLI: And they've paid for

7 everything.

8 MS. EVANS: And they have paid for

9 everything through their own fundraisers. And it

10 wasn't until last year that they got their first

11 $5,000, and now this year they have been given an

12 increase in that funding.

13 But they have been on their own for a

14 long, long time, and the last thing that I want to see

15 or I'm going to agree to is their property being taken

16 out from underneath them.

17 MS. GATELLI: Well, that would be in

18 black and white before we vote for it.

19 MR. MCTIERNAN: So, I will withdraw my

20 motion to amend 7-A.

21 MS. GATELLI: I'll second it to

22 withdraw it. I'll withdraw my second.

23 MR. MINORA: Now what --

24 MR. MCTIERNAN: I'm withdrawing my

25 motion to amend 7-A, and as soon as someone withdraws


1 their second, then I'll make another motion.

2 MS. GATELLI: I withdrew the second.

3 MR. MCTIERNAN: I'd like to make a

4 motion to table Item 7-A, please.


6 MS. GATELLI: All in favor?

7 MS. EVANS: Aye.



10 MS. GATELLI: Aye. Opposed? The ayes

11 have it and so moved.

12 MR. MCTIERNAN: Thank you.










22 MS. GATELLI: What is the

23 recommendation of the chairperson on community

24 development?

25 MS. EVANS: As chair for the committee


1 on community development, I recommend final passage of

2 Item 7-B.


4 MS. GATELLI: On the question? Roll

5 call.

6 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Evans.

7 MS. EVANS: Yes.

8 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Fanucci.

9 Mr. McTiernan.


11 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. Courtright.


13 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Gatelli.

14 MS. GATELLI: Yes. I hereby declare

15 Item 7-B legally and lawfully adopted.










25 MS. GATELLI: What's the recommendation


1 of the chairperson on community development?

2 MS. EVANS: As chair for the committee

3 on community development, I recommend final passage of

4 Item 7-C.


6 MS. GATELLI: On the question? Roll

7 call.

8 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Evans.

9 MS. EVANS: Yes.

10 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Fanucci.

11 Mr. McTiernan.


13 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. Courtright.


15 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Gatelli.

16 MS. GATELLI: Yes. I hereby declare

17 Item 7-C legally and lawfully adopted.











2 MS. GATELLI: What's the recommendation

3 of the chairperson on community development?

4 MS. EVANS: As chair of the committee

5 on community development, I recommend final passage of

6 Item 7-D.


8 MS. GATELLI: On the question? Roll

9 call.

10 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Evans.

11 MS. EVANS: Yes.

12 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Fanucci.

13 Mr. McTiernan.


15 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. Courtright.


17 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Gatelli.

18 MS. GATELLI: Yes. I hereby declare

19 7-D legally and lawfully adopted. Do I have a motion

20 to adjourn.

21 MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.

22 MS. GATELLI: Second. All in favor?

23 Meeting adjourned. Thank you.




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3 I hereby certify that the proceedings and

4 evidence are contained fully and accurately in the

5 notes taken by me on the hearing of the above cause and

6 that this copy is a correct transcript of the same

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