1 SCRANTON CITY COUNCIL MEETING
6 Thursday, February 9, 2006
10 6:30 p.m.
14 Council Chambers
15 Scranton City Hall
16 340 North Washington Avenue
17 Scranton, Pennsylvania
23 Lisa M. Graff, RMR
24 Court Reporter
1 CITY OF SCRANTON COUNCIL:
3 MS. JUDY GATELLI, COUNCIL PRESIDENT
5 MR. WILLIAM COURTRIGHT, VICE-PRESIDENT
7 MS. JANET EVANS
9 MS. SHERRY NEALON FANUCCI
11 MR. ROBERT McTIERNAN
13 MR. AMIL MINORA, ESQUIRE, SOLICITOR
15 MS. KAY GARVEY, CITY CLERK
17 MR. NEIL COOLICAN, ASSISTANT CITY CLERK
1 MS. GATELLI: Okay. Please stand
2 for the Pledge Of Allegiance. Please remain
3 standing for a moment of reflection for the
4 servicemen and women that are fighting for
5 our freedom. Roll call, please.
7 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Evans.
8 MS. EVANS: Here.
9 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Fanucci.
10 MS. FANUCCI: Here.
11 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. McTiernan.
12 MR. MCTIERNAN: Here.
13 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. Courtright.
14 MR. COURTRIGHT: Here.
15 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Gatelli.
16 MS. GATELLI: Here. Dispense with the
17 reading of the minutes.
18 MS. GARVEY: Third order. There's no
19 business at this time. And clerk's notes, most of
20 which I went over in notes of interest in the back.
21 Most of your letters did go out that you had requested,
22 and I'm just waiting for responses on most of those.
23 Is there anything you are going to do before?
24 MS. GATELLI: Yes.
25 MS. GARVEY: Okay.
1 MS. GATELLI: I just have a few
2 announcements. I seem to be getting a lot of questions
3 about the tax that was just enacted for the $52, and
4 people were telling me that they were under the
5 impression that even if you make $1,000, you're going
6 to pay the $52, and I would just like to clarify that
7 this Council passed it that you have to make $12,000 or
8 more to be charged the tax. So, that's just to
10 I think it was in the paper, Stacy,
11 someone said they saw something and they were very
12 confused, so it is for $12,000.
13 The next thing is this Sunday at Tink's
14 there's going to be a benefit for one of our wonderful
15 firemen, Mr. Mike Ferke, who passed away, I'm sure most
16 of you in the audience know him, and of course we all
17 know him up here, and it will be Sunday at Tink's from
18 three to eleven. There will be five bands and food and
19 beverages. The cost is $15 a person.
20 I got an e-mail today from
21 Keith Tucker, he is the director of the Mid-Town
22 Apartments, and he just wanted me to know that they are
23 a non-profit organization and they pay property tax to
24 the City of Scranton, and he wanted me to be aware of
25 that. They pay $17,608 to the City of Scranton in
1 property tax. So, I wanted to make sure people knew
3 Also, condemned properties, I got
4 several e-mails about that, and, yes, they can be
5 purchased to be rehabbed, so if anyone is interested in
6 a property, possibly in their neighborhood that is
7 condemned, please contact Mr. Fiorini up in the
8 licensing department, and possibly you will be able to
9 buy it. I think there are certain circumstances that
10 you can't. If it's structurally unsound, it can't be
11 repaired, but if it's electrical and plumbing and
12 things like that, they certainly are amenable to
13 selling it to someone that would rehab the
15 Mr. Sbaraglia had a question about
16 handicap bathrooms at Nay Aug, yes, there are three
17 handicapped bathrooms at Nay Aug.
18 Southern Union, I spoke to
19 Sara Hailstone and she did indeed we did not put any
20 city money into the Southern Union building. It is a
21 KOZ, however, and has that status, but the city did not
22 spend any money on Southern Union.
23 I spoke to Jim Wintermantle at the
24 Parking Authority for Mrs. Jones, and he said that if
25 she had any further problems with the parking, to
1 please go down and see him. I told him the whole story
2 , and he's aware of it.
3 Mr. Santolli also marked trees on the
4 2900 of Colliery Avenue today that are in need of some
5 trimming, it's near the Minooka playground and some
6 people were concerned about that, and I spoke to Tom
8 As you know, there's going to be a
9 project done at Connell Park which is going to include
10 renovations to the swimming pool that is in dire need,
11 it hasn't been worked on for many, many years, and
12 there's going to be a dog park, which Mrs. Franus and I
13 have conversed about, some things she would like at the
14 dog park, which I will forward to Mr. McLane.
15 And I also had another request about
16 the skate park that is now in West Scranton, and has
17 been for many years, about the possibility of it coming
18 to Connell Park.
19 So, I spoke to Tom McLane today, and
20 he's going to put the skate park in the plans. We are
21 going to have the equipment evaluated, because it is
22 very heavily used over in West Side and we want to make
23 sure that it's adequate to bring over to South
24 Scranton, and we're going to see if we can't have it
25 there, but it is going to be put in the plan for
1 Connell Park.
2 Tonight I haven't looked thoroughly
3 through my mailbox, but there are two children so far,
4 besides Doug Miller, that are interested in serving on
5 this task force for the youth, sort of an honorary
6 councilman type position, and I know that we usually
7 wait until motions to make motions, but I know the
8 cameras are here, and if Council, I don't know if we
9 would have to suspend the rules or what to bring up a
10 motion at this time, but if we can, Attorney Minora, I
11 would like to make a motion that Attorney Minora draw
12 up the proper resolution to appoint Douglas Miller as a
13 Junior Councilman.
14 MR. MCTIERNAN: Second.
15 MS. GATELLI: On the question? All in
17 MS. EVANS: Aye.
18 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Aye.
19 MR. MCTIERNAN: Aye.
20 MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.
21 MS. GATELLI: Aye. Any opposed? The
22 ayes have it and so moved. So, that resolution will be
23 drawn up. I will contact the other two students or I
24 will have, you know, Mrs. Garvey do it, and maybe we
25 can have them come next week also and they can all come
1 and the resolution can be for all of them.
2 I would like, I probably should have
3 said it, I would like Doug to be the chairman, so I
4 guess I'll make another motion that Doug would be the
5 chairman of that committee.
6 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Second.
7 MS. GATELLI: On the question?
8 MS. EVANS: Yes. I do understand that
9 Doug has been attending council meetings for months,
10 and months, and we've all benefited from his
11 presentations and his suggestions, this in fact being
12 one of them, however, I would suggest that the Junior
13 Council would elect its own officers, just as City
14 Council does, that before, you know, we actually place
15 individuals in positions of powers, that all the
16 teenagers who seek appointment are appointed, and then
17 I think perhaps it should be on their shoulders to vote
18 and make those decisions, to form their own committees
19 and select their own chairs of each committee as a
20 model of what we here on City Council do.
21 So, it's just for the record, it's not
22 that I'm opposed to Doug's service --
23 MS. GATELLI: Does anyone have anything
25 MS. EVANS: -- but I would just prefer
1 that the members take charge of that themselves.
2 MS. GATELLI: Does anyone else have
4 MR. COURTRIGHT: I don't have a problem
5 with them doing it that way. That's fine by me.
6 MS. GATELLI: There's a motion.
7 MR. COURTRIGHT: Oh, I'm sorry.
8 MS. GATELLI: There's a motion that
9 Doug be the chairman.
10 MS. EVANS: Do you want to withdraw
11 your motion?
12 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Once a motion is
13 seconded, we can't --
14 MS. EVANS: You can withdraw the
16 MS. GATELLI: Does anybody else have
17 anything on the question? We have a motion and a
18 second, so that was on the question. Does anyone else
19 have anything on the question? All in favor.
20 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Aye.
21 MR. MCTIERNAN: Aye.
22 MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.
23 MS. GATELLI: Aye. Opposed?
24 MS. EVANS: No.
25 MS. GATELLI: The ayes have it and so
2 Okay. The only other thing I have is
3 most of you were here when we had the caucus before the
4 meeting, and we heard from Chief Elliott, and he gave
5 us a list of beat patrol officers.
6 We couldn't give you a copy of ours
7 because it had some confidential information on it,
8 such as phone numbers, but I did find my copy that
9 doesn't have any phone numbers, and I'm going to ask if
10 someone can't run over and make some copies for any of
11 you that are interested to see what neighborhoods your
12 beat patrols are in. So, if you want to, after the
13 meeting, come and get a copy of it, you're very welcome
14 to it.
15 Mr. Scopelliti said that presently
16 there are eight CommD officers, and that within
17 90 days, there will be ten officers, so every section
18 of the city will be covered by a beat patrol.
19 Mrs. Evans asked about police cars in
20 service, how many there were, so she's going to get
21 that answer from Mr. Elliott, and he said that there
22 was $120,000 budgeted for police cars, and Mrs. Evans
23 said that was not enough money, and I agree with her.
24 So, she is going to get some of this
25 information and hopefully she'll have it for us by the
1 next meeting.
2 MS. EVANS: As well as his
3 recommendation for the number of vehicles that should
4 be purchased in order to enable the officers to do
5 their jobs properly, because I understand they've
6 oftentimes of late had to double up in a car.
7 MR. COURTRIGHT: I think some of the
8 money, I don't want to speak on their behalf, some of
9 the money is earmarked for detective cars, and I've
10 been working with Dave Elliott, and he's trying to see
11 if we couldn't buy cars that are one or two years old,
12 because the detective cars don't take the beating that
13 the patrol cars take.
14 We've got a little bit of a problem
15 because they're only allowed to spend X amount of
16 dollars before it goes out to bid, so I'm going to work
17 with him and Mrs. Novembrino and then see if Council
18 agrees that we can find a way to buy these vehicles.
19 We might have to possibly suspend some of our rules, I
20 don't know if we're able to do that or not, so we have
21 to ask Mrs. Novembrino first. That would just be for
22 the detective cars. So, when we get that squared away,
23 I will bring it before everybody and see if everybody
24 is agreeable to that.
25 MS. GATELLI: Well, the next person we
1 have with caucus tonight was Mr. Scopelliti, and he
2 spoke about the tree house. It is going to be 28-by-16
3 covered, it's going to be 20 feet above the ground,
4 it's going to be -- started to be built in August.
5 It's a three-month project. It's going to be 40 to
6 50 feet away from the gorge and only 20 feet off the
8 Apparently some people thought it was
9 going to be 140 feet over the gorge, but that isn't
10 true, so we're glad he clarified that. Also, he's
11 going to find out from human resources what the added
12 insurance would be for such a structure.
13 He was also asked about sewage at the
14 zoo, and that has since been repaired. It was $4,000
15 to repair the sewer line. There's now a tank there
16 that's being pumped out to the sewer line, and he told
17 us the area was excavated twice and modified was put
18 there, a stone, I don't have my stones correct, but
19 anyway it was repaired and he said that also the Davis
20 Trail was repaired.
21 If you see wet spots on the trail,
22 there are numerous springs that feed up near Nay Aug
23 and fed Lake Lincoln at the time. So, if anyone is up
24 there and they do suspect any sewage or they smell
25 anything, please contact someone as soon as possible,
1 if it's one of us through the e-mail on the TV, if City
2 Hall is closed or the police department or somebody, so
3 that it can be rectified as soon as possible. We
4 certainly don't want any children or adults in any
5 danger with raw sewage, so please consider that.
6 MS. EVANS: Mrs. Gatelli, I think one
7 thing, though, that you failed to mention that this
8 measure that was taken is a temporary measure in the
9 park, and that Parks and Recreation will be
10 investigating a more permanent solution to the sewer
11 problem up there or the sewage problem, I should say.
12 MS. GATELLI: Okay. Does anyone else
13 have anything else up here on Council that you'd like
14 to say before we start? No? Okay. We will start
15 citizens participation.
16 MR. MINORA: Mrs. Gatelli, before you
17 do, I would like to make a couple of points clear that
18 seem to have gotten confused in the last couple of
19 weeks by my --
20 MS. GATELLI: Okay.
21 MR. MINORA: I really don't know how
22 this was so badly misinterpreted, but I received a
23 number of phone calls this week on Mrs. Evans' remarks
24 on legal opinions last week.
25 I know this was not her intention, but
1 the calls indicated that people felt that a legal
2 opinion was something you just paid for like a pair of
3 shoes, and I tried to explain to a number of these
4 people that that's not at all what it is, and I thought
5 that it might be wise to say something about that
6 tonight so that anyone else that is under the
7 misapprehension about what a legal opinion really is
8 will have it clear.
9 A legal opinion is not something you
10 just purchase or that a lawyer gives simply because he
11 has been hired to say what someone wants them to say.
12 A lawyer, and myself in particular, when faced with a
13 legal issue and asked to put an opinion on it, try and
14 give their best legal analysis and evaluation of the
15 case law statutes or ordinances that apply and try to
16 do a recommendation as best they can based on the issue
17 before them, it is not based on who is asking for it or
18 who is paying for it, because somewhere down the road
19 you're liable to have to defend it in court.
20 So, I'm sure most lawyers feel this
21 way, but I can tell you for certain that my opinions
22 are based on the best analysis I could possibly come up
23 with. Of course, I'm not perfect, but it's the best I
24 can do. I wanted to clear that up on legal opinions.
25 And the last thing, I don't know why
1 this is so badly misunderstood, the meeting before last
2 we adopted an amendment to the rules dealing with
3 citizens participation, I don't know why, but some
4 people seem to think that that adoption of that new
5 rule in some way limits them more than the previous
6 rules, and point of fact, the new rules expand the
7 citizens participation portion of our agenda, the
8 prior rule limited citizens participation to comments
9 on the agenda. The new rule expands that beyond the
10 agenda to matters of concern to City Council.
11 That is in conformity with Judge
12 Mazzoni, the Sunshine Act, and of course now our rules,
13 and other case law. The limits of decorum were always
14 in place, there's nothing new there.
15 People who are addressing Council have
16 no right to attack someone personally in government,
17 they simply don't. This is a place for doing
18 government business. They may go off to courthouse
19 square or Nay Aug Park and put up a soap box and say
20 whatever they want, that's a traditional forum for that
21 kind of speech, and it's protected in that type of a
22 forum, but in a designated forum where government
23 business is to be handled, the type of attack speech
24 that I'm referring to is not allowed.
25 So, just so we're clear, I think I said
1 it a couple of times, I thought I made it clear, but I
2 thought I ought to make it one more time as clear as I
3 possibly can. Thank you.
4 MS. EVANS: I just wanted to add
5 something to that, that, first of all, the points made
6 by Attorney Minora indeed are accurate with regard to
7 legal opinions, I might add, however, that the
8 solicitor does take direction from City Council and is
9 appointed by City Council to do just that, secondly, I
10 think with regard to Council rules, the rules had
11 failed to be corrected for many years, however, despite
12 the correction in the language within Council rules,
13 certainly citizens, at least since the year 2004, have
14 been able to express their problems, their suggestions
15 and their concerns at that podium, of course, limited
16 to city business, but that has been ongoing for a
17 number of years now, minus the language. So, the
18 language change was merely a format, but it should have
19 occurred long ago.
20 My third point, if you can refresh me
21 on your --
22 MR. MINORA: Those are the two I made.
23 MS. EVANS: Okay. And then I think, as
24 well, I certainly agree that personal attacks cannot be
25 permitted, however, I think it's important that we
1 define a personal attack.
2 If there is a question to a
3 Councilperson concerning a vote or an issue or an
4 action, that is certainly relevant, and that certainly
5 deserves a response. I do not consider that a personal
7 I believe if anyone were to mention
8 family members of an elected official or were to make
9 comments about an individual that were completely
10 irrelevant to their status as an elected official,
11 that's a personal attack, but I believe that what we do
12 up here and what we do with you, for you or to you is
13 absolutely your business and is not a personal attack.
14 MR. MINORA: Can I just say one other
15 thing? I'm sorry. You're correct, I do work for City
16 Council and I've been appointed by City Council, and I
17 appreciate it very much, but --
18 MS. EVANS: You're welcome.
19 MR. MINORA: Thank you again. But I
20 must say, if any one of you, and I don't mean any
21 disrespect whatsoever, expect a particular opinion out
22 of me because that's what you want, rather than the
23 law, you're all going to be sadly disappointed, you're
24 going to get what the law says. Okay?
25 MS. EVANS: Yes.
1 MR. MINORA: Okay.
2 MS. EVANS: And that is why I clarified
3 a legal opinion on a legal issue is certainly what
4 your, let's say, duties and responsibilities are in
5 your position to provide, but there are many other
6 instances where in fact a solicitor takes direction
7 from the Council, just as city solicitors take
8 direction from the mayor.
9 MR. MINORA: In terms of proceeding
10 with litigation or things of that nature you mean, not
11 in terms of what my legal opinion's going to be on a
12 particular issue.
13 MS. EVANS: Exactly.
14 MR. MINORA: I would agree. Okay.
15 MS. GATELLI: All right. Before we
16 start, now I'm going to put my two cents in, or three
17 cents, however long I'm going to take.
18 I don't have a problem with anybody
19 coming up to that podium and criticizing any vote we
20 should take or anything that you think that we are
21 doing that you don't think is right, I don't have a
22 problem with that at all, the only problem I have is
23 when you come up and you're nasty. It's just not
25 I am somebody's mother and I am
1 somebody's grandmother, and so are these people, and I
2 don't think that you would talk to your mom like that,
3 I hope you wouldn't.
4 We're all here for the same reason, we
5 love the City of Scranton. I love it. I'm working
6 25 years here for free representing people in my
7 neighborhood. I'm not here to stop you from talking.
8 I want you to talk.
9 I want you to come here at 5:30 and
10 give us your opinions and your suggestions and ways
11 that you think we can make things better.
12 We've already addressed many of your
13 concerns about different things that you'd like done.
14 I won't refuse anybody, and I don't think anybody up
15 here will either. We are all here for the same reason.
16 We make mistakes. I make ten or twenty
17 a day, without a question, I make that many. That's
18 why we're all human, because we make mistakes, and
19 we're going to make them, too.
20 And I'd just ask that you respect us,
21 that's all we want. We will listen to you. You don't
22 have to be loud there or nasty or mean about it. Let's
23 work together and make our city the place we want it to
24 be .
25 We all pledge our cooperation to you,
1 and I sincerely mean that, and everyone up here feels
2 the same way, I'm sure. We all do. We're all here
3 because we love Scranton and we want to help.
4 So, without further ado,
5 Mr. Paul Arzonika. Did I say it correctly? Arzonika.
6 MR. CAWLEY: I'd like to distribute to
7 the City Council some papers. First of all, I am not
8 Mr. Paul Arzonika, he is ill this evening and he has
9 asked me to come on his behalf and present these
10 articles to you and speak on his behalf.
11 My name is Cawley, spelled C-A-W-L-E-Y,
12 first name is Edward, a resident of the City of
13 Scranton, retired Veteran, United States Navy, and
14 citizen of this great Commonwealth.
15 What has been prepared for you tonight
16 is some articles that need no clarification, that
17 rulings have been already made on in regards to the
18 freedom of speech and some of the controversy that has
19 existed here in the last six weeks.
20 It is with an avid nature, vivid memory
21 that I present this to you tonight on behalf of
22 Mr. Arzonika, and those papers before you is the
23 Supremacy Clause of the Constitution of the United
24 States, Article Six and Amendment One to that article
25 in regards to the freedom of speech.
1 Also you have in your possession the
2 U.S. Supreme Court ruling on Edwards versus South
3 Carolina on what the 14th Amendment pertains to and the
4 pages one through eleven, and if you will permit me, I
5 will read those articles.
6 The Supremacy Clause of the
7 Constitution of the United States, Article Six,
8 Constitution and laws of the United States, it shall be
9 made in pursuance thereof, and all treaties made for
10 which shall be made under the authority of the United
11 States shall be the supreme law of the land and the
12 judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything
13 in the Constitution or the laws of any state to the
14 contrary not withstanding.
15 Amendment One to this preamble,
16 Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment
17 of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof or
18 bridging the freedom of speech or of the press or the
19 right of the people to peacefully assemble and to
20 petition the government for a redress of grievances.
21 I now ask you to turn to Page 4, I'm
22 sorry, Page 3 of the U.S. Supreme Court, Edwards versus
23 South Carolina, second paragraph, first sentence, and
24 then in reference to the bottom line and continued on
25 Page 4.
1 This opinion was registered by
2 Mr. Justice Stewart in part to the case within. It has
3 long been established that these First Amendment
4 freedoms are protected by the 14th amendment from
5 invasion by the states.
6 The 14th amendment does not permit a
7 state to make criminal the peaceful expression of
8 unpopular views. A function of free speech under our
9 system of government is to invite dispute.
10 It may indeed best serve its high
11 purpose when it induces a condition of unrest, creates
12 the dissatisfaction with conditions as they are or even
13 stirs people to anger.
14 Speech is often provacative and
15 challenging. It may strike at prejudices and
16 preconceptions and have profound and settling effects
17 as it presses for acceptance of an idea.
18 That is why freedom of speech is
19 protected against censorship or punishment, unless
20 shown likely to produce a clear and present danger of a
21 serious substantial evil that rises far above public
22 inconvenience or unrest and there is no room under our
23 Constitution for a more restrictive view, for the
24 alternative will lead to the standardization of ideas
25 either by legislators, courts or assemblies or dominant
1 political or community groups.
2 As in the Terminello Case, the courts
3 of South Carolina have defined a criminal offense so as
4 to permit conviction of the petitioners in their
5 speech, stirred people to anger, invited public dispute
6 and brought about the condition of unrest. The
7 condition and conviction resting on any of those
8 grounds may not stand.
9 And as Chief Justice Hughes wrote in
10 Strongberg versus California case, the maintenance of
11 the opportunity for free political discussion to the
12 end of that government may be responsible to the will
13 of the people and that the changes may be obtained by
14 lawful means. An opportunity is central to the
15 security of the republic is a fundamental principle of
16 our Constitutional system.
17 A statuette with space and
18 authoritatively construed is so vague and indefinite as
19 to permit the punishment of the fair use of this
20 opportunity is repugnant to the guarantee of liberty
21 contained within the 14 amendment. For these reasons,
22 they have concluded that these criminal convictions
23 cannot stand.
24 It is my hope and my prayer that as
25 members of this City Council, this administration, this
1 government in the City of Scranton, that I salute you
2 in the memory of Stewart Rockwell and in the memory of
3 these fine gentlemen whose portraits surround this
4 chamber and I salute you in the citizenship of these
5 residents of Scranton that I know that as duly elected
6 officials, you will do what is necessary to create a
7 peaceful environment and to make laws that are moral
8 and just to the residents of this city and this great
9 Commonwealth, and I salute you Council members for the
10 fine work that you are doing and that you are about to
12 MS. GATELLI: Andy Sbaraglia.
13 MR. SBARAGLIA: Andy Sbaraglia, citizen
14 of Scranton. Fellow Scrantonians, I was told, well,
15 asked at the taxpayers meeting to ask about the status
16 of these KOZs and to check and see if the person that's
17 overseeing this project is doing his job.
18 A lot of our KOZs, well, take
19 Southern Union, that was a specific reason why that was
20 given a KOZ, and I don't know if, well, maybe not all
21 of you remember, but even another building was added
22 because they had an oversight, so we went out really
23 overboard for these people to give them these KOZs
24 because it looked real good on paper. Well,
25 unfortunately it's no longer good on paper.
1 Now, all we ask is since we're losing
2 all this tax money, that you will check and make sure
3 that all of these KOZs live up to what they were
4 supposed to do.
5 That's all we can ask for, because like
6 I say, it came from the state, you have nothing to do
7 with it, other than -- well, very few of you had
8 anything to do with it, I think most of that stuff was
9 done before. You did mention a KOZ three, we're trying
10 to find out what that was. We're still looking into
12 Okay. Now, he made a good presentation
13 on the tree house. He also said there's a lot of them
14 already built, did he not, here, there and everywhere?
15 Why have we no plans?
16 Simply if these things are built, why
17 aren't the plans available? There's no reason we
18 shouldn't have had plans and looked at these plans.
19 You realize $300,000, I don't care
20 where it comes from, I have nothing against the
21 handicap, but we can also put a pavilion that got,
22 like, burnt down for that $300,000. And if any of you
23 remember our pavilion up at Nay Aug that got burnt and
24 put a balcony on it to overlook the gorge, too, and
25 have picnics inside of there.
1 This space is very limited. I don't
2 even know how structurally sound it is, because I had
3 no plans, I didn't look how they planned to dig into
4 the tree there.
5 If you notice, the supports were placed
6 into the tree itself, and I don't know if they're
7 bolted in there, so forth and so on. There's no way of
9 Okay. Now, I was told a lot of people
10 figure with this $52 tax, they would never see a
11 rebate, and I was told to ask, as you know in January
12 we were told everyone has to pay this $52 tax, okay, we
13 go around all the way to the property into February,
14 say March, April is when they have to go in, okay, you
15 fill out your taxes in March, send them into the city,
16 okay, you're already taxed another $52 if you worked in
17 the city even before you get your $52 back, so hence
18 you're into the city for 104 bucks, unless you change
19 it, because that's what is going to happen.
20 There's no way in heck they can pay you
21 your $52 before you do your taxes, but they can assess
22 you of $52 before you pay your taxes, so hence you are
23 going to be out -- they're going to be borrowing money
24 from you mainly is what it looks like. The city is
25 going to get $52 tax free until they decide to send
1 your check back to you.
2 Now, you mentioned that you make a lot
3 of mistakes, true, a lot of people make mistakes. I
4 make a mistake, it doesn't bother you, but when you
5 make a mistake, it bothers me, it bothers my children
6 and my grandchildren, so you have got to look at
7 everything, like I said, 101 times with a fine tooth
8 comb so there is no error, that's the only way I can
9 look at it.
10 Because like I said before, I can make
11 100 -- you can make 100, it doesn't affect you one bit,
12 but when you're up there, it affects everybody, and it
13 even affects your grandchildren that you mentioned.
14 So, these things got to be looked at,
15 everything he does. I looked at the rendition of that
16 tree house, I thought Tarzan did a lot better with his,
17 but that's the way it goes, but I would like to see
18 before you do anything with that tree house, you look
19 at the plans, you look how they're going to affix it to
20 the tree, you look at how big that ramp is to get into
21 it, because I can sese -- I mean, you can put a
22 pavilion up there and make it just as handicapped as
23 this tree house, there's no difference to it, other
24 than the fact that you can go back to the inside and
25 have a picnic. I thank you. Erik Johnson. Erik
1 Johnson. These microphones, if you don't talk right
2 into them, you can't hear.
3 And before you start, Mr. Johnson, I
4 did get one complaint, Mr. Minora, that nobody can hear
5 you on TV because you don't speak into the microphone.
6 MR. MINORA: I will try and do better.
7 MS. GATELLI: It's true. You really
8 have to speak right into it for the people to hear you.
9 It's very difficult.
10 MS. EVANS: I wonder if the same person
11 contacted both of us, because they mentioned that, and
12 the fact that last week they couldn't hear Mr.
13 McTiernan and they're asking --
14 MS. GATELLI: Well, we certainly want
15 to hear him, because he hasn't talked since up until I
16 got here, right, Bob?
17 MR. MCTIERNAN: That's right.
18 MS. EVANS: Well, you need to turn that
20 MS. GATELLI: Go ahead, Mr. Johnson.
21 MR. JOHNSON: Thank you. Good evening,
22 City Council and staff. Erik Johnson, resident and
23 taxpayer of North Scranton.
24 As I predicted, dozens of donors are
25 pledging financial support for the $300,000 tree house
1 project at Nay Aug Park, mentioning a few donors like
2 Lowe's and Home Depot and several trade unions.
3 Private donations will definitely cover
4 the whole cost, who would benefit and what this project
5 for the entertainment of the handicap.
6 We must realize that handicapped
7 people, especially children, need to be entertained
8 instead of just being people lookers and bird watchers
9 and watching everybody else have a good great time
10 except themselves.
11 Now that there is a substantial public
12 support for the handicap and the tree house and that it
13 appears that it will not be necessary to use the
14 $150,000 that had to be projected from the UDAG funds
15 and no taxpayers money to be used, there should no
16 longer be an issue against building the tree house for
17 our handicapped people.
18 Most people that come up to me about
19 this issue are for it than against it. Keep politics
20 out of it and let's have our tree house for the
22 Only increased funding by the state
23 government and laws that bring in health care costs
24 will reduce the need for local districts to increase
25 property taxes. The governor said he would sign a
1 senate property tax reduction bill that would hamstring
2 local school districts.
3 A new police unit is good to get crime
4 before it starts and before it happens. The Scranton
5 Police Department PACE Unit netted 1,311 arrests and
6 violations that began December 5 through Monday
7 February the 6th.
8 It certainly is going to be a very
9 expensive project to change all of Scranton facilities
10 from steam heat to natural gas, but in the short term,
11 where are we going to get the money for Scranton?
12 We cannot afford any new huge loans
13 from the city or from the county or from any of the
14 school districts, but in the long-term, it could save
15 the school district $10.5 million over 15 years.
16 Nothing has been done or said until now
17 in a serious way of a sincere plan to reduce property
18 taxes here in Scranton. Everything needs to be done
19 along party lines to try to see who can get the most
20 credit for it.
21 Judy Gatelli, people by the numbers are
22 coming forward in support of you of your pay up program
23 proposal. Judy, if I may add, since the Covenant
24 Presbyterian Church was or is giving payment of $1,000
25 annually, then there should be also a lot more wealthy
1 churches besides the Presbyterian Church giving
2 payments also annually.
3 The poor churches would not be able to
4 afford $1,000 annually in a voluntarily way. The
5 bottom line, Judy, you are really on the line to
6 non-profit pay up or help -- and also help Scranton
7 taxes. Thank you for letting me speak.
8 MS. GATELLI: Doug Miller.
9 MR. MILLER: Good evening, Council.
10 Doug Miller, Scranton. I am not only humbled, but
11 honored by Council's vote of confidence in me, and I
12 promise not to let you down for bestowing this honor on
13 me. Thank you.
14 Regarding the behavior here every week,
15 as a young adult in this city, I am very disappointed
16 in the behavior from some of our citizens. I really
17 don't understand why there has to be so much negativity
18 at these meetings.
19 All some people do here is bash Council
20 members and never have anything to do with city
21 business. I feel sorry for those who watch these
22 meetings, especially kids, who have to see our city get
23 embarrassed by some of our citizens.
24 Mr. Bolus first brought me here when I
25 told him about a streetlight issue I had, he told me to
1 come here and he took me, and it was a great learning
2 experience, and I continue to come here every week and
3 feel honored to be able to do so.
4 I am encouraging other kids to come
5 here, but what goes on here every week, I would be
6 embarrassed to expose kids to what goes on.
7 I would ask everyone if we can please
8 just get along and work together so we can actually
9 accomplish something. Thank you.
10 MS. GATELLI: Bob Bolus. You know, I'm
11 going to make an apology here, I'm talking about people
12 being nice, and someone said to me, you never say thank
13 you to the speakers, so, while it's on my mind, I'd
14 like to thank the speakers that have spoken already,
15 and I will try my best to thank everyone for speaking,
16 and I apologize that I have not done that.
17 I'm trying to, you know, tell you guys
18 to be nice, and I'm not being nice either, so thank you
19 very much to the speakers that have already spoken. Go
20 ahead, Mr. Bolus.
21 MR. BOLUS: Good evening, Council.
22 Bob Bolus, Scranton. Judy, I know you said you make 25
23 mistakes a day, remind me if I'm at the school not to
24 come to the school nurse.
25 MS. GATELLI: I make them at home with
1 my husband.
2 MR. BOLUS: Oh, okay. In that case, I
3 don't mind going to the nurse then. Thank you.
4 You know, this is Doug's night, as far
5 as I'm concerned, and I don't want to take anything
6 from him, but it's an honor to have seen Doug come as
7 far as he's come here and what's transpiring in this
9 It's a first, three councilwomen, kids
10 coming here. I think the city should be applauded in
11 the direction we're now moving forward in, but it's a
12 tribute not only to Doug, but I think it's a major
13 tribute to Doug's parents who have raised such a fine
14 gentleman to be able to come here and do what he's
15 doing and the support that he's received from him.
16 And most parents out there, I would
17 hope, would take heed of what could happen in this city
18 and support your kids. They are kids, but they have to
19 be heard on their level, not on our level.
20 So, hopefully they will follow the lead
21 here and we will see much more happening in the city
22 and other areas.
23 You know, we've been listening about
24 the tree house and everything else, and I'm going to be
25 brief on it, it's $150,000 this mayor is spending, but
1 he spent millions in the past on no bids, on this, that
2 and the other, the Hilton, DPW, the University, Nay
3 Aug, forgiveness of taxes all over the place, and the
4 people re-elected him.
5 So, why are they crying over a tree
6 house? It's got a purpose. It's going to come,
7 whether they like it or not, no more than he's in a
8 position to give professional bids. He's going to give
9 them whether we like it or not. You put him here, get
10 used to it.
11 The issues that should be here are more
12 important issues, and it's not picking on
13 Councilpersons who make a mistake, and you're going to
14 make mistakes, each and every one of us come in here
15 make them, and those who don't make a mistake and come
16 in here and say they haven't are liars, or they haven't
17 come into reality.
18 But we raised the issues, we address
19 them and we hope they're not made again, but I don't
20 think people should come in and constantly keep
21 badgering and badgering. We need to deal with issues.
22 I'll keep raising issues that I want
23 answers for. If I don't get them this week, I'm going
24 to raise them next week until we do get an answer, and
25 that's what we should be doing here, we should be
1 worrying about how we increase the tax base and
2 increase the tax rate, we should be worried about how
3 we get this city out of a distressed status, bringing
4 ideas, concepts that will work.
5 You know, we sit here and we saw the
6 tree house, I would like to see the names, not only
7 those that were published in the paper, who they are,
8 but how much they actually donated or if it's a, dollar
9 $100 or $50, let's see really who's putting up the
11 The freedom of speech issue, and I knew
12 this was going to come up, and I was hoping
13 Attorney Minora last week had the opportunity to
14 address it, and he didn't get that opportunity, and I
15 think he should have been allowed that opportunity to
16 tell us what his mind is.
17 You know, I believe in one thing, and
18 I've been through litigation, we're the ones who fought
19 the freedom of speech, and we won it, and we gave the
20 people the right to come here, and it could be
21 dissected in many, many ways.
22 And there's an old saying that I
23 learned from many lawyers in the past, one lawyer moves
24 in a town, he starves, the second lawyer moves into the
25 town, they're both driving new Mercedes or Cadillacs.
1 Now, why did they do that? Because they agreed to
3 The law has opinions, and everybody has
4 an opinion on the law, that's why we have so many
5 lawyers and everybody debating the law.
6 We have it going on in government right
7 now over the spy issue, who is right, who is wrong, but
8 that's what the law is about, it's by interpretation.
9 Mr. Minora may interpret it one way,
10 someone else is going to interpret it the other, but he
11 shouldn't be faulted for his opinion. It's an opinion
12 that he's doing, I believe in his best interest of what
13 he's doing.
14 Now, I may look at his opinion and say,
15 Well, that's his opinion, but guess what, I researched
16 the law and I have my opinion, and of course that's how
17 we wound up before a judge who gave his opinion, and so
18 on and so forth, and that's why we have a Supreme Court
19 and we have wisdom on there none of us in this room
20 possess, and that's why we have laws and that's why we
21 get somewhere.
22 So, I think people have to start
23 recognizing what we're doing here, and not just
24 chastise it. If you see something, take it and
25 research it. Come back the next week and debate it.
1 That's what our government is about here. And we've
2 lost sight of that, a lot of people have.
3 The issue is debate. I want to debate
4 with government. I've debated Mr. McTiernan over
5 issues that I thought over signatures. It's not on him
6 personally, but it's an issue I debated because of the
7 position he was in, and I debated other people here.
8 Then I debated, I was arrested here.
9 I mean, so, we could go on and on and
10 on around here about who is right and who is wrong, but
11 it's what we believe in.
12 And coming here and speaking, we should
13 have a purpose, and my purpose is to see KOZs and
14 non-profits pay their fair share.
15 I don't want to hear let's get a token
16 dollar amount from them, let's either put it on gross
17 amounts that people earn, take the gross of a salary of
18 someone or what their property is accessed at, but pass
19 this free from the smallest guy to the biggest
21 You may see the University paying you
22 $6 of $7 million to be here in the city. Nothing
23 against the U, but if you can build a $30 million home
24 so to speak for the University, the average person
25 can't, they can't even pay their light bill or their
1 gas bills today.
2 So, Council, I'm asking you again, and
3 I've been doing this for three and a half, four years,
4 look at the legislation that I brought here, and I
5 supplied it to the past Council, on passing something,
6 whether you call it an impact fee or whatever, keeping
7 in mind we have a garbage fee in this city, it's really
8 illegal because the fee didn't pass on to KOZs or
9 non-profits. That should be repelled.
10 We pay taxes to have our garbage picked
11 up, but no one does that. So, if you could charge us a
12 garbage fee and not charge KOZs and non-profits,
13 shouldn't we then be allowed to take on the KOZs, the
14 non-profits with a fee that's fair for everyone here?
15 And I think if we do that, you are
16 going to increase the tax base, increase the tax rate,
17 you're going to get out of a distressed status.
18 If we charge for our police and fire
19 department a two-hour minimum going to an accident or
20 to a KOZ or a non-profit and what they cost, not a
21 token $50 or $100. Dunmore passed legislation on it.
22 We can do that here, but we can't keep coming and
23 talking about it.
24 To move forward, we need to do it, and
25 it starts right here, I believe, with this Council to
1 let people know, and you will get the support. You are
2 not going to get people chastising and coming and
3 complaining, because they'll feel positive that we're
4 going somewhere.
5 And with that, I would like to
6 recommend, Council, let's push the KOZ, the fees, and
7 let's bring Scranton into the 21st century profitably.
8 Thank you.
9 MS. GATELLI: Marie Shumaker. Oh, Stan
11 MR. NARSAVAGE: Good evening, Council.
12 Stan Narsavage, resident of the City of Scranton.
13 First of all, let me preface by saying that I heard and
14 understood everything that Mr. Minora said, and I'm
15 still here to talk about freedom of speech.
16 Mrs. Gatelli, after the salute to the
17 flag you offer a reflection for the Veterans that are
18 fighting for this country, well, the men and women have
19 been fighting for this country for 230 years. And why
20 were they fighting, to protect our rights, which one of
21 those is freedom of speech, among others.
22 Now, in the 40s, I went in the Navy,
23 I'm a Veteran of World War II, and I went for the same
24 reason, to protect my and everyone else's rights, and I
25 believe, this is my opinion, that our rights are being
1 suppressed here, the freedom of speech, I believe they
2 are being circumvented.
3 Just a couple of weeks ago, to give you
4 an example, a gentleman called the President of the
5 United States the biggest terrorist in the world. Now,
6 I wouldn't do that, and I wouldn't make remarks about
7 anybody sitting on Council like that, but he had the
8 right to do that.
9 The President is daily called a liar on
10 newscasts, they call him everything under the sun.
11 That's freedom of speech, I guess.
12 Now, if I want to ask a question and if
13 somebody decides that I'm going to be gaveled down, we
14 are going to have a problem, because that's my freedom
15 of speech. And like I said before, for 230 years, this
16 country has been fighting for freedoms.
17 This is called a pocket constitution,
18 and I would suggest everyone that's interest in the
19 Constitution to get a copy and carry it with you and
20 bring it to Council meetings if this is the road we're
21 going to go down so that we can be prepared to speak to
22 these things.
23 And legal opinions, I'm not too much up
24 on legal opinions naturally. I believe that when
25 Mr. Minora gives an opinion, that's all that it is,
1 it's an opinion.
2 When it leaves his lips, it falls flat,
3 because now I have my opinion, and I can give my
4 opinion just the same way.
5 So, when he gives an opinion for you to
6 gavel someone down, that doesn't register with me. If
7 I'm not doing anything wrong at this podium and
8 somebody comes up with that idea to gavel me down,
9 that's a problem. Thank you very much.
10 MS. GATELLI: Thank you.
11 Marie Shumaker, did she come back or -- no? Okay. The
12 next speaker is Dick Laske.
13 MR. LASKE: You better hurry back, I
14 have something nice to say to you. No, go ahead. Go
15 make the bladder gladder. Don't mock me, I'm only home
16 for a little while and then I have to go back to that
17 building up in the Summit, you know, the red brick one.
18 Let me just tell you a little story, I
19 was up there one day and I had cleaned the barn, they
20 come down and one of the inmates said to the man on the
21 tractor, Where are you going with that load of manure?
22 He says, We're going to put it on our strawberries. He
23 said, Good for you, and they thought we were nuts.
24 That went over your head, Bill. I'll explain it some
25 other time.
1 Okay. My name is Dick Laske, I live in
2 North Scranton. I love your flower on your suit coat
3 there, it looks very nice. Judy, congratulations for
4 going after these people. It should have been done a
5 long time ago. You know, when you dance to the music,
6 you have to pay the fiddler, it's as simple as that.
7 I mean, we all pay taxes. I was down
8 the other day, $1,100, I had to cash two relief checks,
9 but I made it, you know what I mean? But it's all
10 right, my taxes are paid.
11 Now, the important thing I'm here for
12 tonight is the primary reason, I want to know if I can
13 get yellow, green and red painted outside for our
14 Lithuanian Flag Raising Day. That's just a joke.
15 Don't get nervous.
16 MS. GATELLI: I'm writing it down.
17 MR. LASKE: Don't get nervous. Okay.
18 Now, that lady that comes here from South Side or
19 whatever about cleaning so on and so forth, well, I'm
20 well aware of a situation in North Scranton that was
21 very politically motivated. I invite anyone to come
22 with me up to Hollow Avenue and look and see the work
23 that was done on private property.
24 Now, what really annoys me about that
25 work that was done on private property, you mentioned
1 about Mr. Santolli painting the trees that have to be
2 trimmed and taken down, Mr. Santolli also painted trees
3 at Weston Park, and that paint has washed off because
4 we have been trying literally for years.
5 Now, I'm not saying to take that boom
6 truck in there now and trim the trees in inclimate
7 weather and snow on the grounded and so on and so
8 forth, you might do more harm than good, but I would
9 appreciate the summertime if they would go up and take
10 those trees down.
11 We have a lot of children playing at
12 Weston Park, and this is really and truly a hazard. I
13 mean, we spent a lot of money, we put a lot of effort,
14 we did a lot of begging and borrowing to get
15 Weston Park where it is today, and I'd really
16 appreciate it.
17 Okay. Now, like I said, the reason for
18 this thing on Hollow Avenue, it's as plain as the nose
19 on our faces, it was politically motivated, and anybody
20 that lives in North Scranton knows that.
21 Okay. Ms. Fanucci or Ms. or whatever
22 the term is, I won't come here and call you a liar,
23 because I don't even know you, and even if I did know
24 you, and I'd be deathly afraid to call Judy one,
25 because she might slap me.
1 No, but seriously, I'd like everybody
2 to come down to the flag raising, it's February the 25,
3 it's at ten o'clock, and it's right downstairs. We're
4 -- we will have coffee and doughnuts. And we were
5 going to make some (UNTRANSCRIBABLE), but they sort of
6 -- they frown on drinking whiskey in here.
7 Okay. Have a good time. And I won't
8 be back for a while. I'm going to go down to Florida
9 and lay on the beach like an old walrus, you know what
10 I mean? So, have a good night. I'll tell my son to
11 call you, Amil.
12 MS. GATELLI: Thank you. Have a good
13 time in Florida.
14 MR. LASKE: Oh, I intend to.
15 MS. GATELLI: Marie Shumaker, is she --
16 all right. Bill Jackowitz.
17 MR. JACKOWITZ: Bill Jackowitz, city
18 resident, retired Air Force. First of all,
19 Mr. Courtright, you should have took my bet last week,
20 you could have had some cash in your pocket, because
21 Mr. Elliott and Mr. Scopelliti showed up tonight.
22 Okay. Also I have some definitions
23 that I would like to pass out to City Council and to
24 the attorney.
25 I have some extras, if anybody wants
1 any. I already passed out a few to some people in the
2 audience already.
3 And, also, I'd like to echo Mr. Bolus
4 on his comments, I agree with everything that he said
5 100 percent.
6 In that legal opinion, disparage, I
7 guess that was the word that was used, that you cannot
8 make disparaging or disparage comments, well, here's
9 the definition of disparage, To lower in rank or
10 reputation, to degrade, to depreciate by indirect means
11 as envious comparison, speak slightly about.
12 Now the definition of envious, tending
13 to cause discontent, animosity or even the individual's
14 task of arbitration, envious of an unpleasant or
15 objectable nature, obnoxious, of a kind to cause harm
16 or resentment and sliding characterized by disregard or
17 disrespect, disparaging.
18 I don't see how any of that has been
19 being done with what we've been saying here. Basically
20 what we're doing is challenging people's votes or
21 coming forward and asking for our rights as a citizen.
22 I agree, no one should call anybody a
23 liar, but it happens every day. It happens to the
24 President of the United States, to Senators to
25 Councilman. That's part of being an elected official,
1 that's part of being a politician. Like I said, I
2 personally don't like it, because it's going to happen.
3 And I said these are the definitions, and hopefully
4 these definitions will help, because, Mrs. Gatelli, you
5 kept asking for legal opinions from Mr. Minora, again,
6 his opinion is just that, an opinion. His license
7 reads, License to practice law, not to write law.
8 Okay. I've been told that, on a
9 different subject, on bars, you know, like, when a bar,
10 every year or two years bars have to pay licensing
11 fees, along with restaurants, and occasionally a bar
12 gets busted for something and they have to pay a fine
13 or a fee, now, I've been told that they pay those
14 licensing fees and their fines to Harrisburg, and in
15 Harrisburg sends all that money back to the community
16 or the township or the borough which that bar or
17 restaurant was located at.
18 Now, if that's the case and our money,
19 and I was given this by a person who did this that just
20 retired four years ago out of the Harrisburg area, that
21 was his job, unless the law has changed and the money
22 is coming back to Scranton, I'd like to know who it
23 goes to, who is responsible for it and what account and
24 what use that money is used for.
25 If this is erroneous information, then
1 fine. Let us know that it is erroneous information.
2 But if this does happen, I'd like to know where that
3 money goes to, and I hope we could get an answer in a
4 week or two on that.
5 Another thing, I can't believe that the
6 city tax office and the city assessor's office does not
7 know the number or the names of all non-profits, plus
8 the KOZ tax exempt properties.
9 I find that very hard to believe,
10 because if they don't know, who does know? Does anyone
11 on Council know? Don't you think somebody should know?
12 MS. EVANS: Yes. I made that request,
13 and I'm waiting for the list.
14 MS. GATELLI: I am, too. I already
15 requested it, too.
16 MR. JACKOWITZ: Okay. Well, I'm glad
17 to hear that, because I was shocked when I read that in
18 the paper today. We need to find out who these people
19 are, where they're located at, who's in charge and sit
20 down and talk with them. Again, I wanted to speak on
21 some more, but five minutes just isn't enough.
22 But I agree with everything that Mr.
23 Bolus says, and I believe that the KOZs and tax exempt
24 properties, I believe that they should be helping to
25 rebuild the parks in this city, build the pavilions,
1 build the things. We can put plaques up with their
2 names on it, we can recognize that they did it and we
3 can save the taxpayers a lot of money and we can use
4 that money to pave the roads and parking lots at the
5 parks. Thank you.
6 MS. GATELLI: Thank you. Mr. Spindler.
7 MR. SPINDLER: Good evening, Council,
8 Les Spindler. I just want to make a quick comment on
9 what the first speaker had to say here, in case anybody
10 didn't understand what he said, because I was aware of
11 what he was going to say, because the person he got
12 that Supreme Court decision from called me the other
13 night and read me the whole thing, what he said in
14 short was we can get up here and say almost anything
15 we'd like within reason.
16 We can't call anybody names or say
17 vulgarities or whatever, but we can say just about
18 anything we want and not even on city business.
19 Okay. Last week, Mrs. Gatelli, you
20 said everybody makes mistakes, that's true, but a lie
21 is not a mistake. Do you think anyone up there has a
22 right to lie to us? Yes or no.
23 MS. GATELLI: No, not knowingly, no.
24 MR. SPINDLER: Okay. Thank you. Now I
25 have a question for Attorney Minora. So, we could be
1 gaveled down for making disparaging remarks, is asking
2 someone to resign because they lied a disparaging
4 MR. MINORA: I would say if it was
5 asked 20 or 25 times and it's been answered by the
6 person you're asking, I'd call that disruptive after a
7 time, yeah, I would.
8 MR. SPINDLER: Well, again, that's our
9 freedom of speech, so I guess we can keep doing it.
10 MR. MINORA: Your request has been
11 answered, it has been answered 25 times. After a
12 period of time, it's obviously meant to be disruptive,
13 and for no other reason, simply because a question has
14 been answered.
15 MR. SPINDLER: Okay. There were a lot
16 of questions answered. I'll speak about something
18 No one had more abuse up on that
19 Council than past President Gary DiBileo. Before the
20 election, every week he had disparaging remarks made
21 about him. He sat up there and took it like a man. He
22 didn't go crying to the solicitor.
23 So, what I have to say, like the old
24 saying goes, Mrs. Fanucci, if you can't take the heat,
25 get out of the kitchen.
1 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Mr. Spindler, I
2 just want you to know, I can take the heat, I never
3 said I couldn't take the heat, and I want you to
4 understand, this is what we're trying to avoid.
5 We have done great work here tonight,
6 we've heard great speakers, we've have good ideas.
7 This is what we're trying to avoid, that's all.
8 It's not to inhibit your freedom of
9 speech, it's trying to work together as a community,
10 that's what we want. You cannot build a city up by
11 tearing everyone else down. It doesn't work, it just
12 doesn't work.
13 MR. SPINDLER: Either does lying to us.
14 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: I did not lie to
16 MR. SPINDLER: Yes, you did.
17 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: That's your
18 opinion, and I respect your opinion, but you're going
19 to respect the fact that --
20 MR. SPINDLER: It's on tape and it's in
21 the minutes. Janet Evans asked you if --
22 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: I said it was your
23 opinion, and that is fine, but I'm not resigning. Can
24 we let it go and move on to city business? That's all
25 I'm asking.
1 MR. SPINDLER: I can speak about
2 anything I want. I can speak about anything I want.
3 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Well, please, but
4 just try to move on, that's all. Thank you.
5 MR. SPINDLER: Saying Carl Greco didn't
6 contribute to your campaign was a lie, that's all I'll
7 say on that. It's in the minutes, it's on the
8 videotape of that meeting. I don't have to prove
10 Southern Union building, does anybody
11 have a completion date on that? Is it ever going to be
12 finished? I think the Empire State Building took less
13 time to be built.
14 I mean, since 2003 a crane has been
15 there blocking the street holding up traffic. I drive
16 that way every day. And speaking of that crane, I know
17 that needs a permit to sit there and block the street,
18 is it an ongoing permit or do they have to keep
19 renewing it? Can we find that out?
20 MS. EVANS: Mr. Spindler, I did ask for
21 all of that information last week, and letters have
22 gone out to various individuals, including Mr. Collina
23 from the architectural firm who has worked on the
24 building, and as soon as I get those answers, I will
25 let you know.
1 I do prefer, I must say, though, that
2 responses be provided in writing, because what is
3 placed in black and white stands, and oftentimes simply
4 a verbal conversation, a verbal request can be
5 forgotten or too easily neglected, so I like to commit
6 things to writing that I'm looking for, and I like to
7 receive written responses so that I can hold
8 individuals to their answers, but I do agree with what
9 you're saying, and I did pose all of those questions.
10 MR. SPINDLER: Okay. Thank you.
11 Something else about -- someone mentioned last week
12 about Southern Union living up to the KOZ criteria, are
13 they, because I know there has to be a certain amount
14 of people in that building. If there's no one in that
15 building, I think the KOZ status should be dropped on
16 that building.
17 MR. COURTRIGHT: Mrs. Gatelli, can I
19 MS. GATELLI: Yes. You can go ahead.
20 MR. COURTRIGHT: You know what, if this
21 Council agrees, maybe we can get whoever is the person
22 that oversees these KOZs locally in here and explain to
23 us what it is could be done and can't be done, because
24 I don't think any of us up here are that well versed in
1 And if this Council agrees, then maybe
2 we can ask Kay to send a letter out. I don't know if I
3 need to make a motion to that effect. Is everybody in
4 agreement with that, that Kay, maybe we can contact
5 whoever it is that oversees the KOZs in Scranton and we
6 can ask them to come in and let them explain to us.
7 If what is being done is correct and if
8 it's not, then what we can do to correct it. Because
9 there's a lot of questions every week about KOZs, and
10 maybe we can find them.
11 MS. EVANS: We do have actually a list
12 of all of the coordinators that was just provided this
13 week by Ms. Hailstone very promptly, because I had
14 asked for that information last week, as well, so I'm
15 sure Kay could send that letter very soon and arrange
16 that meeting, but I don't know that it would be within
17 our power to force the KOZ or KOEZ recipient to abide
18 by the requirements that are included in that
20 It may well be the state, or perhaps it
21 may be the state in conjunction with the three local
22 governing bodies, but since it is a state program and
23 provided by the state, I'm sure that they play a very
24 instrumental role in all of this, Mr. Spindler.
25 MR. SPINDLER: Yeah, it is the state.
1 Something should be done.
2 MS. EVANS: Oh, yes.
3 MR. SPINDLER: One last thing, since it
4 looks like the tree house might be all privately
5 funded, can we find out what is going to happen with
6 the $150,000 UDAG funds? Maybe we can put that to some
7 good use.
8 MR. COURTRIGHT: We can give it to
9 Judy, I think.
10 MS. GATELLI: Connell Park for the
11 skate park. No, I'm just kidding. Don't take that
12 seriously, please.
13 MR. SPINDLER: Thank you.
14 MS. GARVEY: Mrs. President, can I just
15 say it's -- it's Kay over here.
16 MS. GATELLI: It's hard up here. You
17 don't know where the voices are coming from.
18 MS. GARVEY: Janet, I just wanted to
19 let you know those KOZ coordinator lists that I put in
20 everybody's boxes, I was given that by the city
21 planner, Don King, because I have contacted both, and
22 that's who sent those down to me so far.
23 MS. EVANS: Well, I thank him, and I
24 stand corrected, it's not Ms. Hailstone I have to
25 thank, but Mr. King. Thank you.
1 MS. GATELLI: Did I say thank you, Mr.
2 Spindler? Thank you. Lee Morgan.
3 MR. MORGAN: Hello, Council, Lee
4 Morgan. You know, we really had a good conversation
5 today, and at least we have the parameters of free
6 speech now and we all understand that Mr. Minora's
7 opinions are only opinions, but the thing I have here
8 is, I'd like to know what Council knows about Channel
9 61 going to Lackawanna College. Can you tell me?
10 There's supposedly a rumor that -- I
11 know that 61 was going to separate from Scranton
12 Tomorrow and the Scranton Public Library, and now the
13 rumor is that it's going to end up at Lackawanna
15 And, you know, I find that to be a very
16 extremely troubling thing, because 61 should never go
17 to any college, it should always be the property of the
18 residents of this area.
19 It should stand alone, but I think that
20 funding should come for it from the city and from the
21 county so that it remains autonomous.
22 I think that it's a very valuable tool
23 and an asset to the community, and there have been
24 statements made by Mr. Doherty allegedly and Mr. Mellow
25 that that's the only thing that they didn't control.
1 And I just find it troubling that they
2 may be trying to shut it down, and that would
3 ultimately stifle free speech, and that cannot happen.
4 So, I ask --
5 MS. GATELLI: That will not happen.
6 MR. MORGAN: Okay. Well, I'm asking
7 this Council to make sure it doesn't happen.
8 MS. GATELLI: It won't happen.
9 MR. MORGAN: Okay. Now, the other
10 thing I have is, I really like the idea that's starting
11 to take place here about looking for revenue from
12 non-profits, but I would like to say the churches
13 should at no time be taxed.
14 I think it would be a good idea to look
15 at -- I think it's called Cops in Schools Program,
16 where they put officers in the schools, and I think
17 that the Scranton School District should cover all
18 costs of those officers in those schools, and with
19 those savings, then maybe we can put a few more
20 officers on the job in Scranton on the street, because
21 I think the school district can adsorb that cost, and
22 that's where they're always going to serve there.
23 As far as the University of Scranton, I
24 think all their parking slots should be taxed, they
25 should pay the $15 fee; in other words, they skirt a
1 lot of taxation.
2 I think we need to seriously consider
3 telling the University of Scranton within a five-year
4 tax frame all the property they own without -- outside
5 of a certain geographical area will be taxed.
6 I think what we should try to do, and I
7 think that Mr. Spano brought this up a long time ago,
8 we need to draw boundaries on where the University
9 should be, and we should have them built up.
10 Their dormitories that they built on
11 the corner of Mulberry and Jefferson, beautiful idea,
12 they need to go up instead of out.
13 Their sprawl is destroying
14 neighborhoods, and I think that if we're going to
15 restore this city, we have to restore the
17 You know, I think we're off to a good
18 start, but I think there's a lot to be done, and I
19 would just say in closing that I think we need to -- I
20 think we need Council President Gatelli to come forward
21 and say that we're going to run the meetings and
22 freedom of speech will be protected and we can move and
23 put that issue behind us.
24 We don't need Mr. Minora's opinions on
25 freedom of speech, what we need is people to be
1 respectful and not to use profanities, but I don't
2 think we should put parameters around what people say,
3 because not everybody speaks the same way, not
4 everybody has the same vocabulary and the same
5 abilities, and we must always recognize that sometimes
6 they're at their limit when they're speaking.
7 We don't all have the same
8 capabilities, but we should respect what they say, as
9 long as they saw it respectfully.
10 And the last thing I'd like to say is I
11 attended Mr. Bolus' Christmas dinner, and I meant to
12 say this previously, a lot of people came up to me and
13 said to me that they were still praying for my daughter
14 from 2004, and I would just like to say that I
15 appreciate that and I thank them for their prayers, and
16 that's all I have. Thank you.
17 MS. GATELLI: Thank you. Fay Franus.
18 MS. FRANUS: Fay Franus, Scranton. I'D
19 like to know, is the continuation -- is there any more
20 City Clerk's Notes anymore as part of the agenda? I
21 know there hardly is anything.
22 MS. GATELLI: She didn't have anything
23 tonight, she said.
24 MS. FRANUS: But, like, in the last
25 four weeks, there's been barely anything, and every
1 week Jay Saunders used to have --
2 MS. GATELLI: Well, I can't answer for
3 Mrs. Garvey.
4 MR. COURTRIGHT: You know what I think
5 is happening, Fay, I think Mrs. Gatelli in the
6 beginning of the meeting is answering a lot of the
7 questions that maybe --
8 MS. GATELLI: Yeah, but she's ahead of
10 MS. FRANUS: I know that, but you take
11 -- it's like president's notes now. Is it president's
12 notes now instead of --
13 MS. GATELLI: I do my own notes now. I
14 call everybody on my own. I don't have Mrs. Garvey do
15 any notes for me. So, if she has nothing to report,
16 you know, I can't help that.
17 MS. GARVEY: I report most of my things
18 to Council as they ask of me. I give the reports to
19 them --
20 MS. FRANUS: So, what you're saying is
21 then you tell Judy what they ask and then she tells us.
22 MS. GARVEY: No.
23 MS. GATELLI: No, she doesn't tell me
25 MS. GARVEY: No. I tell each
1 individual Councilperson the answer to the questions
2 that they have asked the previous week, and if there's
3 certain things that I need to bring out here, then I
4 will do that, but most of them they receive on their
5 own and then they're responsible for reporting.
6 MS. FRANUS: It's just that when Jay
7 was here, there was a lot more notes. Not that you're
8 -- I just don't know what happened to all that
10 MS. GATELLI: Anything that I report,
11 Mrs. Franus, is things that I've done on my own, not
12 that Mrs. Garvey did for me.
13 MS. FRANUS: No, I wasn't implying that
14 at all, I was just wondering, because people have said,
15 how come there's not any --
16 MS. GATELLI: I don't know, I can't
17 answer that for you. You would have to ask Mrs. Garvey
19 MS. GARVEY: I think there's been
20 clerk's notes probably twice that I can remember, I'd
21 have to look in my files to be sure, but that's, like I
22 said, I report to Council, and then if there's anything
23 further to come out here, I come out here with them.
24 MS. FRANUS: Mr. McTiernan, do you have
25 an E-mail address now?
1 MR. MCTIERNAN: Do I?
2 MS. FRANUS: Did you have one before,
3 because I didn't know --
4 MR. MCTIERNAN: You're talking do I
5 have one in general?
6 MS. FRANUS: I mean for anybody to
7 write to you.
8 MS. FRANUS: They can just contact
9 Mrs. Garvey, that's what I would prefer.
10 MS. FRANUS: Wait, you don't have an
11 E-mail address?
12 MR. MCTIERNAN: I would prefer people
13 contact the city clerk's office, that's what I would
15 MS. FRANUS: Let me get this straight,
16 if I wanted to write you a letter, I have to go through
17 somebody else?
18 MR. MCTIERNAN: Please send it to
19 Mrs. Garvey, please.
20 MS. FRANUS: Why? Why couldn't I just
21 write to you directly?
22 MR. MCTIERNAN: I'd prefer it goes
23 through Ms. Garvey.
24 MS. FRANUS: Suppose I wanted to say
25 something to you and I didn't want somebody else to
2 MS. GATELLI: Can I intercede here for
3 a minute? I'm not going to speak for Bob McTiernan,
4 because he certainly can speak for himself, but when
5 you put your E-mail address on the television, you
6 leave yourself open to some very, very nasty E-mails
7 from anonymous people, and maybe that's why he doesn't
8 want to do that.
9 I can only speak for myself. I don't
10 know if anybody else got any, maybe it's just me, but,
11 you know, there are some nasty anonymous cowards out
12 there that can't talk to someone face to face and tell
13 them how they feel.
14 MS. FRANUS: Yeah, but you have their
15 E-mail back to get back to them, so you --
16 MS. GATELLI: Mine's on there.
17 MS. FRANUS: If someone writes to you,
18 you know who's writing to you because it --
19 MS. GATELLI: No, you don't, no, you
20 don't, no, you don't, you don't know who it is.
21 MS. FRANUS: You know where the E-mail
22 address is.
23 MS. GATELLI: The E-mail address cannot
24 be traced, as far as I know. I mean, I could probably
25 get a detective if they threatened my life, but, you
1 know, you can't tell who it is unless they answer you.
2 You know, some answer me. You know, if it's a
3 legitimate complaint and you hit reply up in the
4 corner, I'm not too good with the computer, but you hit
5 this little reply button and you can answer that
6 person, but the nasty ones you can't. So, maybe that's
7 why he doesn't want to do it.
8 MS. FRANUS: Okay. Whatever. It's
9 just more -- anyway, Mr. McTiernan, have we ever found
10 out why -- what the loan was for CRF, what the mayor
11 wanted to use that money for?
12 MR. MCTIERNAN: I don't recall being
13 asked that, but I will find out.
14 MS. FRANUS: We still don't know why?
15 MR. MCTIERNAN: No, I don't know that.
16 There was one project we talked about, and that was the
17 project --
18 MS. FRANUS: Could you please find out
19 what that money is earmarked for and when we are going
20 to be paying this back in astronomical amounts through
21 our taxes, I'm sure. CRF, the money he wanted to
23 Let me just get here, because this
24 bell's going to ring. I just want to ask your opinion
25 on this tree house, I know the paper has been saying
1 that Mrs. Evans is against it, and she certainly is not
2 against it, and --
3 MS. GATELLI: You're not going to start
4 believing the paper, Fay.
5 MS. FRANUS: No, I don't, but some
6 people don't --
7 MS. GATELLI: That will be your first
9 MS. FRANUS: I don't even read the
10 paper, I hear about it. Mr. Courtright and
11 Mr. McTiernan, how do you feel about the tree house, do
12 you feel that people should have to pay for it through
13 taxes or do you think they should just get private
15 MR. MCTIERNAN: I think every effort
16 should be made to use private donations to do that, but
17 I don't want to see that kill the project. I think
18 it's a worthwhile project.
19 MS. FRANUS: Who's going to pay for the
20 insurance, private donations, also? Is that going to
21 be kept up? Once the private donations pay for the
22 initial tree house, who's going to keep up the upkeep
23 and the insurance?
24 MR. MCTIERNAN: That was part of our
25 discussion this evening, and those figures will be
1 forthcoming, according to Mr. Scopelliti. He said we
2 needed to contact human resources, so I can't answer
3 you to how we should pay that until I know what it is.
4 But once we find out what the cost is, then we can make
5 a determination as to whether or not that cost is
7 And as Mr. Scopelliti said earlier this
8 evening with regard to another speaker's comments, we
9 are strictly in the preliminary planning stages.
10 Architectural renderings and engineering drawings have
11 not been completed yet, we're in the very early stages
12 of planning, so once we're further on down the road,
13 then we can determine what it will cost to insure that
14 for liability purposes, and then we can make that
16 But as I understand it today, all of
17 the figures are fairly fluid, the $300,000 figure is a
18 maximum estimate cost, so I can only be speaking in
19 generalities, which quite frankly don't mean a whole
20 lot today.
21 So, when we get further down the road
22 with this project, I would be able to answer those in
23 much more concrete ways.
24 Regarding my opinions, although last
25 week we talked about opinions not meaning much, but I
1 would offer what I had, if you were asking me, and I'll
2 try to have those details for you.
3 MS. FRANUS: Opinions do matter.
4 MR. MCTIERNAN: Well, we had
5 conversations about that we should be voting, I don't
6 mean you and I, but we had conversations that we should
7 be voting the will of the people, but if you're asking
8 my opinion, I'll offer it.
9 MS. FRANUS: I asked you a question
10 last week, I got silence.
11 MR. MCTIERNAN: That's my prerogative,
12 too. If I recall, I have rights, too.
13 MS. FRANUS: Yes, but people do know
14 what that means.
15 MR. MCTIERNAN: I'm understand.
16 MS. FRANUS: So just so the people
18 MR. MCTIERNAN: I'm glad everybody is
19 bright enough to figure that out, that's good.
20 MS. FRANUS: What about the Irish pub
21 that was supposed to be a part of Casey Garage, we
22 never heard any more about that.
23 MR. MCTIERNAN: I have no idea.
24 MS. FRANUS: Does anybody know?
25 MS. GATELLI: We will ask.
1 MS. FRANUS: All right. Thank you very
3 MS. GATELLI: Thank you. Julie Jones.
4 MS. JONES: Good evening, Council,
5 Julie Jones. Just from standing in the back of the
6 room, Mr. McTiernan, I would ask that you either pull
7 your microphone closer to yourself or bend it down
8 some, because like Mrs. Gatelli said, nobody can hear
9 you in the back of the room, so I'd appreciate that.
10 I'm here this evening to read a
11 proposal to you and also other reasons. I will read
12 this to you, and I do have a copy for everyone. It has
13 to do with the $52 tax.
14 Municipal services are generally fixed
15 whether you have a population of 75,000 or 100,000.
16 The idea of lowering our tax rates, especially the
17 earned income tax is vital to bringing our city back.
18 The following proposal would address
19 all concerns for city government and school district,
20 but most of all our current residents.
21 Over taxation, the mayor has done a
22 good job of attracting businesses through KOZs. These
23 tax benefits, as we all know, help only the individual
24 businesses for now.
25 When you're able to compete, which
1 would be our neighboring communities, we're seeking not
2 only new businesses, but businesses for the common
3 household. Our focus on parks is an excellent start,
4 but we must pursue aggressively for new residents, just
5 not businesses.
6 The ripple effect of lowering this
7 burdensome tax will be the key of actually restoring
8 the city. The following proposal wouldn't be a quick
9 fix, but a giant step in going the right direction for
10 our current residents and businesses. They should be
11 the focus.
12 Currently we have an earned income tax
13 of 3.4 percent. This is divided between the city and
14 the school district. The proposal would be to increase
15 the tax base, thus passing savings to the residents and
16 increasing income for the city, schools and businesses.
17 This is how it can be done.
18 All new family homeowners that either
19 buy an existing house or build one, a 12-year,
20 50 percent reduction in both earned income tax and
21 property taxes, offer all new non-profit properties
22 owners a 12-year, 50 percent reduction in only the
23 earned income tax, next take 25 percent from monies
24 collected above and pool the money.
25 You can then apply this to lowering the
1 earned income tax. The advantage to the city and
2 school district is that they will receive 12 and a half
3 percent more income from the expanded tax base with
4 increased population.
5 City businesses would benefit, too.
6 The 12-year period would benefit young families with
7 school aged children. Scranton's current system for
8 attracting new homeowners is, if you build a house
9 within city limits, you get a full property tax
10 disallowance for three years. This would need to be
11 eliminated by both government bodies.
12 The increasing of additional population
13 would expand the tax base. You would give more buying
14 power for all residents. You also compete with
15 neighboring communities.
16 We can aggressively market ourselves
17 for services we offer, full-time fire department,
18 police department, new school and other government
20 This puts the city in position to
21 compete for new residents and we would create new
22 business opportunities. The reduction of the earned
23 income tax would help with growth of the city's tax
25 Current residents that want to stay
1 here will finally start seeing some light at the end of
2 the tunnel.
3 Tax reduction equals growth for all
4 concerned. What do we have to lose besides shrinking
5 tax base? This is what businesses do, increase volume,
6 lower prices, or in our case, city taxes. And I will
7 give you all a copy of that when I'm done.
8 I'm also here to ask something of
9 Council. You were saying about to be nice and to have
10 respect and not to attack you while we're at the
11 podium, well, we would like that in return, also,
12 because I think some of us have been attacked at this
13 podium for no reason.
14 I would like to ask Council that before
15 you jump to give the gavel or to silence any citizen at
16 the podium, I would like you to think first and listen
17 to what is coming out of a person's mouth before you
18 silence that person.
19 Every time someone comes to the podium,
20 it seems like they get the good old gavel before you
21 even know what they're going to say. So, I would like
22 for you to think about it.
23 MS. GATELLI: Excuse me, excuse me,
24 Mrs. Jones. Please be quiet up in the balcony, we can
25 hear you. Thank you. Go ahead. I'm sorry.
1 MS. JONES: So, I would really like
2 before you gavel or before you ask Mr. Minora's
3 opinion, I would really like you to wait to see what
4 comes out of somebody's mouth before they get the
6 You know, now I say to myself before I
7 come here, Gee, maybe Phyllis will be there and I will
8 have some gavel competition.
9 Also, I would like to see if this
10 meeting would even be able to be run without
11 Attorney Minora. Every other statement said is
12 challenged by Mrs. Gatelli asking Mr. Minora if it is
14 Do you five members, I mean four
15 members of Council, have minds of your own? When we
16 elected you, we thought you did. Maybe the junior
17 caucus can switch places with four of you and we might
18 get somewhere.
19 Mrs. Gatelli, at this point I feel you
20 are very inconsistent with who you gavel and who you
21 don't. Can you explain to me -- can you explain this
22 to me, because right now I am your personal target
23 every week.
24 MS. GATELLI: No.
25 MS. JONES: You can't explain?
1 MS. GATELLI: No. I just felt that you
2 were out of order.
3 MS. JONES: But last week I didn't even
4 get to say what I was going to say, and it was nothing
5 against you.
6 MS. GATELLI: I'd have to look at the
7 minutes to --
8 MS. JONES: You didn't even let me
9 start, and it was nothing negative against
10 Mrs. Fanucci, and you gaveled me right off the bat.
11 MS. GATELLI: Well, I'm sorry if you
12 felt that way.
13 MS. JONES: And I'm not going to bring
14 up the freedom of speech, I brought the proof you
15 wanted me to bring, it's right here.
16 Like everybody else said, we can't be
17 silenced. And we have our right, too, even if it's a
18 political comment, we're allowed to say it, according
19 to the law.
20 So, that's all I ask. Like I said, I
21 do feel I've been a political, not a political, a pin
22 cushion up here for the gavel. Every week I come,
23 every week I get gaveled.
24 I don't even get through what I'm going
25 to say, and I'm tossed out there, and I don't want it
1 anymore. I come here to speak my opinion, just like
2 anybody else.
3 You want us to be fair to you, well, we
4 want you to be fair to us the same reason.
5 MS. GATELLI: I will be.
6 MS. JONES: Because if this continues,
7 I'm going to tell you right now, I'm not going to
8 tolerate it, because if it's going to come down to
9 constant gaveling, I think --
10 MS. GATELLI: I didn't gavel anybody
12 MS. JONES: I know you didn't.
13 MS. GATELLI: Aren't you proud of me?
14 MS. JONES: Maybe.
15 MS. GATELLI: Mrs. Jones, I don't
16 understand where this animosity came from with you --
17 MS. JONES: What animosity?
18 MS. GATELLI: -- against me.
19 MS. JONES: As far as what?
20 MS. GATELLI: As far as your attitude
21 when you come here.
22 MS. JONES: I've had an attitude before
23 you were here when I came here.
24 MS. GATELLI: Oh. Well, maybe I just
25 never noticed it, because, you know, you didn't do that
1 at the neighborhood meetings, and I feel threatened,
2 you know, by the way you came up here.
3 MS. JONES: Well, I'm sorry if you felt
4 that way. Like we said, that's your opinion and that's
5 my opinion.
6 MS. GATELLI: Well, I'm entitled to
7 mine, too.
8 MS. JONES: And so am I. And as far as
9 the resident meetings go, that's --
10 MS. GATELLI: All right. I don't want
11 to debate it here.
12 MS. JONES: I'm going to give you a
13 copy of what I read so you guys can look it over and
14 possibly think about it. It is something to think
15 about, as far as the $52 goes, and I really think in
16 the long run if you really read it, I think it will
17 really benefit the City of Scranton.
18 But, like I said, I would like respect
19 back. I don't mean to come across as being nasty up
20 here, but when you come up here, you want to get your
21 point across.
22 MS. GATELLI: You'll get your point
23 across, and I won't do that again.
24 MS. JONES: I just talked to
25 Mr. Scopelliti in the hallway, until he rudely walked
1 away from me and went into a meeting. Now he tells me
2 there's nothing that can be done at my house, because
3 he didn't know there was a road and an alley. Well,
4 what did he think, I lived on a farm? Yes, there's a
5 road and there's an alley.
6 He's saying because there's Valley View
7 project and Connell Park and city land, well, what,
8 that's all city land, so what is the problem with
9 fixing my situation?
10 And you were up there, and I'm going to
11 tell you right now, I did not like that answer, I did
12 not like that answer at all.
13 MS. GATELLI: It is a problem, I agree
14 with you.
15 MS. JONES: And if it doesn't get
16 fixed, I will take it to the next level, because I
17 can't keep affording to repair my house. We've lost
18 too much on our house, we've lost two vehicles because
19 of this. I can't do it anymore.
20 And you know what, God forbid, if my
21 son wasn't at the high school, or we'd be out of this
22 city, because if we're not going to get anything done,
23 I don't even see why we're here.
24 And like I said, I will try to improve
25 when I come up, but if the gaveling continues --
1 MS. GATELLI: I didn't gavel anyone
3 MS. JONES: I didn't say you, I didn't
4 say you did, I'm just saying if it continues, I will --
5 I've already talked to the ACLU.
6 MS. GATELLI: Thank you. Denise Prowl.
7 Am I saying it right?
8 MS. PROWL: I'm Denise Prowl, and I'm
9 from Clarks Summit, and I'm going to address an item on
10 your agenda tonight. I have some maps. This is
11 concerning a multi-municipal plan, and I have some maps
13 The map shows the ten communities that
14 have elected to be in this multi-municipal plan, and
15 we're hoping that Scranton also joins in.
16 And the reason that multi-municipal
17 planning was enacted in the year 2000 or clarified and
18 modified by the State of Pennsylvania, I should say, is
19 that Pennsylvania has a terrible record of sprawling
20 landuse and abandonment of cities and older boroughs.
21 So, one of the reasons is that
22 Pennsylvania is unique, in that it requires each and
23 every municipality, no matter if it's urban or rural,
24 to allow for each and every type of landuse, and the
25 landuse, the list is very, very long, so if you're a
1 rural community and you try to allow for every landuse,
2 you're really urbanizing your community and you are
3 having to allow for high density residential
4 development, you're having to allow for commercial and
5 various uses that the rural areas really would rather
6 not have to allow for. They think that those uses are
7 better in a city than in a borough.
8 So, some of the municipalities, Newton
9 Township, North Abington and West Abington are still
10 very rural in the Abingtons, others are more densely
11 developed, others are a little bit suburbanized.
12 But the rural areas, for the most part,
13 want to remain rural, want to keep allowing for
14 agricultural uses, and a lot of the uses that are
15 required of them, Scranton wants or already has, so
16 they don't feel like they should, you know, have to
17 allow for a lot of commercial development which will
18 only compete with Scranton anyway.
19 So, we've already had eight
20 intermunicipal meetings since July, they've gone very
21 well, and we're hoping that you'll consider being in
22 this plan.
23 MS. GATELLI: Thank you very much.
24 Sarine O'Malley.
25 MS. O'MALLEY: Good evening, Council,
1 Sarine O'Malley. I'm here mainly because of the same
2 thing I'm always here for, I'm paying taxes on land I
3 can't use.
4 I, myself, this week went to see
5 George Parker, couldn't see him, I know he's a very
6 busy man, I did try to see him, I couldn't see him.
7 My question tonight is, and I kind of
8 got an answer earlier from Mrs. Gatelli, I would
9 seriously like to find out if my land is eligible to be
10 KOZ, why not? Why couldn't it be KOZ'd, in all
12 I kiddingly said this several times,
13 but now I'm dead serious, why not? And maybe the
14 Council could get me an answer.
15 This is, I mean, something very
16 serious. I am still paying taxes on land I can't use,
17 and why? And if it could possibly be KOZ'd until this
18 matter could be straightened out or whatever, that
19 would be great, because I am paying taxes on land I
20 can't use. I mean, I don't know if you can find that
21 out for me or point me in the right direction or tell
22 me yes, tell me no --
23 MS. GATELLI: We're going to try to
24 have the person that represents this area at a caucus
25 and we can certainly ask that question.
1 MS. O'MALLEY: Could you definitely
2 make sure that I know about it so you I could be here
3 to talk to them myself, please? I mean --
4 MS. GATELLI: I'll call you.
5 MS. O'MALLEY: Thank you. The other
6 thing is, too, I have gotten a lot of people asking me
7 things about what has been happening up there. The
8 thing that I need to emphasize to everybody, and I'm
9 sure Council too understands, this makes a difference.
10 There are a lot of other areas that
11 have landlocked areas. My situation is different
12 because of the walk bridge over 81, and a lot of people
13 don't understand that or -- and are asking me things
14 like that.
15 This is different because it was and is
16 still today paid by the state to be maintained and
17 never was. You know, this is something, too, that
18 bothers me, you know.
19 Like, you know, we're talking about a
20 tree house, well the state paid the city to maintain
21 it, and it was never done, you know? I mean, the tree
22 house went from 20 feet in the air to 140 feet in the
23 air, you know, and I don't want to see that happen, you
25 Maintenance is a big thing in this
1 city, and my big thing is, everybody has their own
2 agendas, well, my agenda is the same thing, I have
3 trees growing in the middle of a city street, I have a
4 six-foot ditch, as you know, because we couldn't get
5 through it.
6 But PP&L maintains it, the Sewer
7 Authority maintains it, everybody else is doing their
8 job, my question is, why isn't the city?
9 And I have no answer. I get no
10 answers. I would truly like an answer on the KOZ, but
11 I would also like an answer from Mr. Parker, the mayor,
12 anybody and everybody, when is this street going to be
13 open so that I can get to my property? Thank you.
14 MS. GATELLI: Thank you. Would anyone
15 else care to address Council?
16 MS. HUDACHEK: My name is
17 Fran Hudachek, I'm a taxpayer in Scranton. I'd like to
18 address the Council about Kane Street, it's extremely,
19 extremely dangerous. All the way from Pittston Avenue
20 all the way up to Stafford, it is one big rutty mess.
21 Judy's shaking her head. It is so, so bad.
22 I just moved into the neighborhood back
23 in June, but as of June I saw a lot of teenagers, a lot
24 of children walking up Kane toward that place, they
25 have, like, a barbecue there.
1 MS. GATELLI: The church, the Polish
2 National Church.
3 MS. HUDACHEK: Yes. Now, do you really
4 want those children walking up there? You talk about
5 disabled and everything else, do you want those
6 children -- there's no lights, there's tractor-trailers
7 coming down there, and the whole entire run is full of
8 potholes, and they're big and they're deep.
9 Now, I'd like to know, can we address
10 that? Can you take a ride up there? Could you please
11 look at it and also take a ride onto South Webster, and
12 that's very, very bad, also.
13 I'm a taxpayer over there, I pay a lot
14 of money. Believe me, we're paying a lot of money over
15 there. We'd like you to address that, please.
16 MS. GATELLI: I'd like to comment on
17 that, because I do live there, and I walk that way when
18 the weather is nice and I go for a walk with my
19 husband, and I know that several years ago they tried
20 to correct a little bit of the problem by putting, oh,
21 large rocks, I want to call it modified, but it's not,
22 it's larger, and they put them in the sides, you know
23 where the water comes down, it's seems to have eroded
24 since then, and it's become much worse.
25 The problem there is that in the
1 development where you live in, there are no storm
2 sewers at all, none in that development. Now, that
3 would not be allowed in this day and age, but back
4 then, for some unknown reason, there were no storm
5 sewers, so the water, I don't know if you've ever been
6 there when it's raining, it's like Niagara Falls coming
7 down that street.
8 MS. HUDACHEK: I know. It's also like
9 a solid sheet of ice in the winter.
10 MS. GATELLI: Yes, because it freezes
11 in the winter.
12 MS. HUDACHEK: It freezes over. At
13 nighttime, there's no lights, it's a frozen solid sheet
14 of ice, and then you're dealing with that, plus you're
15 dealing with all the holes. I mean, they're not small
16 little holes, they're big and they're deep.
17 MS. GATELLI: Some kind of a drainage
18 system, maybe like they've done on East Mountain, you
19 know, to at least pipe it from the development to come
20 down the street.
21 MS. HUDACHEK: But, Mrs. Gatelli, do
22 you also know there's factories there?
23 MS. GATELLI: Yes. Oh, yes, I know.
24 I've lived there for 54 years.
25 MS. HUDACHEK: Econo Lodge is there,
1 why aren't they a little bit responsible? They're
2 bringing in all those tractor-trailers, why aren't they
3 being made responsible? Why can't they fix some of it?
4 You know, we pay a lot of money for our
5 taxes, why should we pay for it, when all of those
6 tractor-trailers are the ones who are -- you are going
7 to pave it, they're going to come down with their
8 tractor-trailers and rip it all up again.
9 So, I really think it should be
10 addressed, it should be driven, it should be looked at,
12 MS. GATELLI: I'll talk to Mr. Parker
13 and see if -- it needs major work.
14 MS. HUDACHEK: Major work, and it's
15 bad. Before the summertime, before someone really gets
17 MS. GATELLI: Yes, it is bad there.
18 MS. HUDACHEK: And before the city gets
19 sued by someone who really gets hurt, let's try to fix
20 it. Thank you.
21 MS. GATELLI: Okay. Thank you very
22 much. Next speaker.
23 MR. DAVIS: Asssalaam Alaikum.
24 Jim Davis from Scranton. While walking up the street
25 today I ran into a young man who used to work with the
1 city government, and he said to me, he said, the
2 Connell Building is a KOZ, but they have on their
3 windows rooms available, would you please check into
4 that? I don't know if there are apartments for rent or
5 what is the status.
6 If it's a KOZ, does that mean that they
7 have lower prices or what does that mean to us as
8 residents of the city? Are they bypassing one of their
9 major points by making things available for other
10 people now that they've already gotten KOZ status?
11 That's number one.
12 Number two, my main reason for coming
13 here is to try to protect the kids of Central City.
14 I've said this so many times, and I'll keep right on
15 saying it, I think our kids need as much of a help up,
16 a hand up, as they do in Connell Park, Weston Field or
17 anywhere else in this city.
18 I've got a large number of children
19 that reside in Central City, they go to school in
20 Central City, whose parents work very hard, and we
21 don't have the protection for them that we need.
22 I've had people come to this city and
23 ask to be crossing guards at the corner of
24 Washington Avenue and Olive Street, and it's taking
25 them now two months or more to just give him a badge.
1 He doesn't want any money. He wants to do it on his
2 own, but I'm saying, it doesn't happen. We need that
3 crossing guard there.
4 MS. GATELLI: Where is that, Mr. Davis?
5 MR. DAVIS: Olive Street and
6 Washington Avenue.
7 MS. GATELLI: Was there ever a crossing
8 guard there?
9 MR. DAVIS: Never. But they have them
10 at Wyoming Avenue. Okay. The whole thing of
11 constitutionality, if we can speak, when we can speak,
12 how we can speak, it's a done deal.
13 We all know our Constitutional Rights,
14 because we've had this done. We have to know them in
15 order to survive in the United States.
16 Many of us have fought abroad for these
17 Constitutional Rights, and when we come back here and
18 we feel that we're being told to shut up, we become
19 very, very incenses and very angry, because we are home
20 and we're still being told to shut up after many years
21 of paying the price.
22 This is the month of African American
23 History or African American knowledge. I really
24 suggest to you that you spend some time with African
25 American histories and find out a little bit more about
1 those people that are your neighbors now, those who
2 have to live next to you, those who have to live among
3 you, and it will make your days, your nights, your
4 feelings of security, because there seems to be so much
5 fear in this city of what this group is going to do
6 against us and what that group is going to do against
7 us. It's not necessary.
8 Knowledge will do away with a lot of
9 the fear that we have, and we need to learn not to
10 fear, we need to learn how to trust, not only in God,
11 but each other. Thank you.
12 MS. GATELLI: Thank you. Anyone else
13 like to speak before Council?
14 MS. KRAKE: Good evening, Council. My
15 name is Nancy Krake, and I'm a resident of the City of
16 Scranton. I have a couple questions on Resolution 5-B,
17 and we did have a speaker earlier that spoke a little
18 about it, but I still have more questions.
19 I was wondering if Council has received
20 a copy of the grant that's being requested. I would
21 like to ask then if I may have a copy of the grant once
22 Council receives it.
23 MR. COURTRIGHT: Sure.
24 MS. KRAKE: I would also like to know
25 what is the Scranton Abington Planning Association,
1 when was it formed, how was it formed, who's seated on
2 it, what are its bylaws.
3 MS. EVANS: Mrs. Krake, if I could just
4 interrupt a minute, it appears that the individual who
5 spoke earlier has some answers for you.
6 MS. KRAKE: I thought she might.
7 MS. EVANS: If you want to speak to her
8 later than -- I don't believe we can bring her back.
9 MS. KRAKE: Yeah. I think it's
10 something, though, that everyone on Council, I'm sure,
11 would want to know, because the next logical question
12 is, is this association something like one of our
13 authorities that has run amuck, which I doubt after
14 that lovely speaker earlier, but I still --
15 MS. GATELLI: Excuse me. But the
16 application is here.
17 MS. KRAKE: Oh, great. The grant is
18 there? And I can have a copy of it then?
19 MS. GATELLI: You can have mine.
20 MS. KRAKE: Thank you.
21 MS. GATELLI: It was from that lady.
22 MS. KRAKE: Oh, you just brought it up.
23 You didn't have it previously, you just got it now?
24 MS. GATELLI: The woman that came here
25 brought it.
1 MS. KRAKE: Okay. That's fine. I just
2 would like to read it. I'm sure everyone on Council
3 wants to read it.
4 My point is, would their
5 recommendations be binding all on their own, as we've
6 seen with the authorities, which is very scary, or when
7 they recommend, would that come back to the city then
8 and they'd be allowed to vote?
9 I just never heard of several of these
10 phrases in this resolution, and I just would like to
11 know what they are before we just vote on them.
12 I would also like to know, since we're
13 applying for a grant, why is there a cost for the city,
14 and what that cost is, and how it would be paid for,
15 what funds would the city be paying for that, has it
16 been budgeted for?
17 MR. COURTRIGHT: The cost is in here,
19 MR. MCTIERNAN: $34,000 over two years.
20 MS. KRAKE? And why do we have a cost
21 when we're requesting a grant? I mean, you don't have
22 to -- these are things I don't expect anyone obviously
23 to answer right now, but before this gets passed, since
24 it's a resolution, it will be passed quickly, I think
25 those are some things we'd like answered or I would
1 like answered, I should say.
2 MS. GATELLI: A lot of times when you
3 have a grant, you have to be a participant in the
5 MS. KRAKE: I understand, but that is
6 part of my question, and then where would the city --
7 what funds would they be using to pay for it, are they
8 budgeted or how are they getting them?
9 MR. MCTIERNAN: I can read the letter
10 that comes from the city planner, Don King. Attention,
11 Dear Attorney Farrell, enclosed please find a draft
12 resolution authorizing the city's participation in the
13 multimunicipal planning effort. Participation in this
14 effort requires the city to commit to funding its share
15 of the plan for an amount not to exceed $34,464 to be
16 paid over a two-year period.
17 This legislation is required to submit
18 an application to the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania for
19 funding through the landuse -- landuse planning
20 technical assistance program to match the funds
21 committed by the participating municipalities.
22 This resolution would be a follow-up to
23 Resolution No. 170, 2005, and that was over the
24 summertime. We voted -- the young lady was in to see
25 us at caucus over the summertime, I can't put any dates
1 on it specifically, but we did vote to become a
2 participating member of that.
3 I want to say it was the summer, my
4 memory is a little foggy --
5 MS. PROWL: September or October.
6 MR. MCTIERNAN: Was it that late? My
7 memory is foggier than I thought, but --
8 MS. KRAKE: Had we committed funds at
9 that time?
10 MR. MCTIERNAN: No.
11 MS. KRAKE: So, we still don't know
12 where the funds are coming from. That's my question.
13 MR. COURTRIGHT: That's a question
14 we'll have to ask then.
15 MS. KRAKE: Thank you. That's all.
16 That was the question. And also all the questions I've
17 asked about the Scranton Abington Planning Association,
18 all the -- each individual one of those, thank you
19 very, very much.
20 My next question is, and I haven't
21 asked Mr. Fiorini yet, so there may be answers to this,
22 I was just surprised last week, and again this week,
23 when I heard the city saying they were able to sell
24 properties because they were condemned.
25 In the past we sold them through the
1 Pittsburgh Plan or at a city treasurer's sale, so
2 unless we have quiet title to these properties, I don't
3 know how the city is doing that. There may be
4 something legitimate there, I'm sure there's something
5 legitimate, I would just like to know exactly what
6 they're doing and how they're doing it, because it's a
7 very unusual thing, especially since they haven't
8 alerted the treasurer's office, who normally handles
10 And also there is a list of tax exempt
11 properties in the city treasurer's office, they're
12 broken down by year up to a certain point. Before
13 that, you actually would have to look through the
14 delinquent books, and sometimes they're there or not,
15 but if anyone is interested in that, they're in the
16 city treasurer's office. Thank you.
17 MS. GATELLI: Thank you.
18 MR. ANCHERANI: Good evening, Council.
19 I'm Nelson Ancherani, I'm a resident, taxpayer, city
20 employer and a member of the FOP.
21 I know there's been much discussion
22 about the $300,000 tree house that's going to be built
23 over the Gorge, it's enlightening to see that no
24 taxpayer dollars will have to be spent on the
25 construction. Taxpayer dollars will come later.
1 No taxpayer money will be spent because
2 of private donations and private funding. I saw a
3 partial list of who is donating to fund the
4 construction of the tree house. On that list are a
5 number of unions.
6 Those unions should be especially
7 generous, since some union reps were at Council weekly
8 during September and October of last year. They were
9 asking Council to pass the CRF legislation that would
10 be used for new construction projects, so it was
11 refreshing seeing the unions step up. As I said, their
12 donations should be very, very generous.
13 One concern of the tree house location
14 would be its accessibility to persons with
15 disabilities. How would persons with wheelchairs,
16 Jazzies or canes get to it unless a paved path is
17 constructed? I guess that's the Davis Trail. Would
18 that be paved?
19 The city is great for taking on
20 projects for Nay Aug, but Ms. O'Malley said it,
21 maintenance is terrible in the city. The $700,000
22 green fish pond was not cleaned last year, still not
24 I spoke about raw sewage over the
25 Davis Trail, and you said that was excavated, so that's
2 The bathhouse at Nay Aug was
3 constructed too small, it's not up to code, and someone
4 mentioned that fireplaces need repair up there.
5 Another example of failing to maintain
6 what assets the city has or had was the computers and
7 the police cars. During arbitration hearings, the city
8 said that they have state of the art computers in those
9 cars, and therefore they could eliminate the SIT
11 Wrong. The city failed to maintain the
12 computers. They're all obsolete, no working computers
13 in the cars.
14 And we should start a pool to see how
15 long it will take the tree house to fall into the same
16 condition as the fish pond and the computer system, and
17 we shouldn't forget that there will be related costs to
18 the tree house. That's where the taxpayers' money
19 comes in.
20 The cost will be police security,
21 garbage collection, electricity, they're going to have
22 to preserve the wood, so they'll need those supplies,
23 they'll need fireplaces or grills, picnic tables and
24 benches, so there's extra costs. The city isn't going
25 to get off scott free.
1 And I've been asking for expenses on
2 different items the last couple of weeks, but I'll try
3 to have a list next week so we can maybe see what some
4 of those costs were. One of the examples is the
5 expenses at Nay Aug for Christmas.
6 A new category to start asking about is
7 the new police building. It's very nice, too small,
8 I'll keep saying that.
9 Questions will be, What are the
10 electric bills going to be, the water bills, the sewage
11 bills, the heating costs, the air conditioner costs?
12 The air conditioner will be -- those
13 costs will be in the summer. We have another expense,
14 snow removal and supplies. They're all extra expenses
15 since the police department moved from City Hall. So,
16 during the year, this year anyway, I can see money
17 being transferred to pay these extra expenses.
18 And I believe the woman said her name
19 was Mrs. Hudachek, that intersection at Winfield and
20 Kane, it's the middle of the intersection, it's bad,
21 very bad.
22 Mrs. Gatelli, I'm going to ask about
23 the soldiers, I know you said you were going to talk to
24 at the mayor about that, the $200 bonus a month for
25 every month --
1 MS. GATELLI: I talked to the mayor
2 today about that, and he's getting me in touch with
3 Lisa Moran, so I'll let you know what transpires.
4 MR. ANCHERANI: Okay. And about the
5 job tax, at the end of 2004, I know Mr. McTiernan had
6 spoken about an acquaintance or friend who couldn't
7 afford it at that time, I'm hoping they can now because
8 you did vote for it this time, so I hope their
9 condition or it's changed for them so they can afford
10 it now. Thank you.
11 MS. GATELLI: Anyone else care to speak
12 before Council?
13 MR. MCGUIRE: Good evening, Council.
14 William McGuire, city taxpayer. I guess I'll get it
15 out of the way first, I'd like to approach Council with
16 copies, could I approach?
17 As you can see, the viewing audience
18 can't, this is a letter that I sent to Council dated
19 April 2, 2001.
20 The reason I brought this, I've been
21 debating over the last several weeks when this Council
22 reconvened, or I'm sorry, reorganized, there was talk
23 of this particular subject.
24 I have spoken on this subject, I would
25 say, at least once a year for the last almost five
1 years, and the letter I wrote, I'm not going to read
2 the whole thing, it's about the citizens participation
3 aspect of the meeting, and I'll read the second
4 paragraph, it says, I believe that fourth order of
5 business, which is public participation segment, should
6 be maintained for the citizens to speak on
7 agenda-related items.
8 The eight order of business, currently
9 adjournment, should be moved to ninth order, making the
10 eighth order of business matters of concern, public
12 This way people wishing to express
13 concerns over agenda items may do so in a timely manner
14 allowing Council to conclude the business at hand.
15 People offering other information and
16 concerns not related to the current agenda can be heard
17 when the current matters are resolved.
18 I believe this will allow Council to
19 better function while not making the citizens feel they
20 have been stifled. Also it will eliminate the need to
21 schedule additional meetings for citizens
23 We haven't talked about that this year
24 with this Council, but in the past it was spoken about
25 and they were going to have public meetings put on and
1 people could just air their concerns then.
2 I just wonder if -- I'm have blind, so
3 I can't even use the phrase, 20/20 hindsight, so I'll
4 say 20 hindsight, if we did this in 2001, would we be
5 here today at this podium speaking on this same issue
6 as we are this evening?
7 In other matters, and I would like to
8 add that I can only hope, as I testified to three
9 previous Council presidents, Mr. Hazzouri, Mr. Murphy
10 and Mr. DiBileo, I asked them to implement these same
11 rules, and tonight I would ask Mrs. Gatelli, maybe she
12 would consider it in fifth order to make the motion and
13 let the body that sits before us decide on whether we
14 should move forward with this action.
15 In other aspects, I was glad to say I
16 came at a good time. I came to talk about
18 Last week Mrs. Gatelli had mentioned
19 it, they are available for purchase, Nancy Krake had
20 just mentioned how they're being sold. My concern is,
21 and I've said this in the past before this Council is,
22 if we could take possession of these condemned
23 properties prior to tearing them down, as you know a
24 lot of properties that are condemned, they're condemned
25 form various reasons, sometimes those properties are
1 able to be rehabbed, and I think it's a wonderful idea
2 to do that.
3 I would like to go one step further in
4 our city, and I think -- I believe it was Mrs. Jones
5 who had talked about lowering the wage tax and adding
6 more population to our city.
7 One way I thought we could do this, and
8 I think, Mr. McTiernan, if I'm correct, last year maybe
9 I had mentioned it in brief to you is a lot of people,
10 contractors, entrepreneurs, would be interested in
11 purchasing a house and rehabing that house to keep it
12 on the tax rolls, but there's a cost associated with
13 when you rehab a house on some remodeling aspects,
14 there's a new assessment on the improvements, you might
15 have to add an addition on to make it adequate living
17 What I would like to see is the two
18 bodies of government, actually the three bodies of
19 government, tax collector, school director and the city
20 to come together to have what would be a residential
21 KOZ, but not call it a KOZ, where if you rehabed a
22 property, you would get a tax relief on the
23 improvements of the property for five years.
24 There could be stipulations in it, not
25 12 years. If you sold the property, immediately they
1 would have to pay the taxes, the taxes would go up on
2 the property, they would automatically be assessed, and
3 you could do many variations.
4 I look at this as a lot of pros. I
5 don't see zero cons in it. The pros are the property
6 is back on the tax roll, I think that's great, we
7 removed blight from a neighborhood, that's excellent,
8 trade persons are at work, tax dollars are coming in
9 and the neighborhood is being sustained by doing this
10 or implementing this.
11 If we tear a house down, I know there's
12 many ways they try to control blight. To me, a
13 blighted home is a safety hazard blight, a vacant
14 property is still blight.
15 If you have a vacant property and the
16 grass is high, it's blight. Blight is blight to me and
17 I think we need to look beyond just the blight and need
18 to put those properties back on the tax rolls.
19 The other thing is, two members of this
20 Council weren't sitting on Council last year when I
21 asked Council to look into cat licensing. I submitted
22 information in the licensing area, how it would help
23 the city, ten reasons why we should do this as a city,
24 we should be progressive and move forward and do that.
25 Also I attached it to what is called a
1 TMR, trap, neuter, release program in the city. There
2 is information in Council, and I know that Mr. Coolican
3 had pulled that information for Council to review.
4 I think it's something they should look
5 at, I think it would be great for our city, and it
6 would be great for the animals.
7 You know, you would be sustaining their
8 life expectancy helping them help the people in our
9 city. And could I have one minute or no? My time is
10 up? Was that two bells or one?
11 MS. GATELLI: Two bells.
12 MR. MCGUIRE: Okay. Thanks.
13 MS. GATELLI: Anyone else care to speak
14 before Council?
15 MR. SLEDZINSKI: I got a question for
16 Judy, this city is bad, you can't even walk the streets
17 at night, you can't go out of your house at night, it's
18 too scary to go out. I want something done, Judy, I
19 want something done, all right?
20 MS. GATELLI: Okay.
21 MS. SLEDZINSKI: Promise, Judy,
23 MS. GATELLI: I promise. You're
24 getting two police officers in West Side.
25 MS. SLEDZINSKI: Thanks, Judy.
1 MS. GATELLI: And if you want help with
2 that hand, come and see a good nurse tomorrow.
3 MR. SLEDZINSKI: I will. I will come
4 and see you.
5 MS. GATELLI: Okay. Anyone else care
6 to speak before Council? Kay.
7 MS. GARVEY: 5-B, FOR INTRODUCTION - A
8 RESOLUTION - RESOLUTION OF THE COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF
9 SCRANTON AUTHORIZING PARTICIPATION IN THE
10 MULTIMUNICIPAL PLANNING EFFORT AND AUTHORIZING SOUTH
11 ABINGTON TOWNSHIP TO MAKE APPLICATION FOR SUCH A GRANT
13 MS. GATELLI: Kay, motions.
14 MS. GARVEY: Oh, I'm sorry.
15 Owe, I'm sorry. 5-A motions.
16 MR. COURTRIGHT: You did it on purpose,
17 Kay, don't lie.
18 MS. GARVEY: 5-A, Motions. I'm trying
19 to get this meeting moving along.
20 MS. GATELLI: Mrs. Evans.
21 MS. EVANS: Thank you. Ladies and
22 gentlemen, it's a miracle, I opened today's newspaper,
23 and there it was, the mayor's supports and applauds
24 Mrs. Gatelli's stand on the non-profits.
25 Now, what has caused this mayor's
1 metamorphosis? There are only two possibilities as I
2 see it, first, now that the city's financial house of
3 cards is tumbling down and the bills are breaking the
4 bank, such as millions owed to American Water Services,
5 the necessity of a conversion to gas heat in municipal
6 buildings, PEL's warnings that the borrowing must stop,
7 unpaid arbitration awards, $20 million in debt service
8 payments in 2006 alone, yes, now that we are in the
9 financial toilet, the mayor applauds pursuing
10 contributions from non-profits, or possibly number two,
11 he likes Mrs. Gatelli.
12 MS. GATELLI: I don't think my husband
13 would like that. Joe Gatelli is very jealous.
14 MS. EVANS: Well, approximately one
15 year ago President DiBileo announced our fervent intent
16 to make the non-profits pay their fair share. We
17 shared this goal and believed it essential to the
18 financial health of Scranton, in fact,
19 President DiBileo spoke to, it might have been the
20 Scranton Area Foundation, requesting their assistance
21 to achieve this goal, however, Mr. Doherty went on
22 record in The Scranton Times opposing contributions
23 from non-profits. He said non-profits already
24 contribute to Scranton in other ways and many can't
25 forward to contribute in lieu of taxes. Without his
1 support, any talks with non-profits became empty
2 sterile conversations.
3 It's much like the teenager who has
4 been told to clean his room, and of course it's the
5 mother who tells him to clean that room, meanwhile, his
6 father says, You don't have to clean your room, don't
7 listen to your mother, I'm the boss in this house.
8 Council wanted non-profits to pay up,
9 the mayor said, You don't have to pay, don't listen to
10 that Council, they're obstructionists.
11 Tonight I wish to set the record
12 straight. I support Mrs. Gatelli's effort to collect a
13 fair share 1000 percent. If she so desires my help, I
14 offer that willingly, as well, because this is the
15 right thing to do, but perhaps someone can tell me why
16 it has taken the mayor nearly five years to agree and
17 why he declined to support Mr. DiBileo and this Council
18 majority in their efforts a year ago this month.
19 I also believe that the State of
20 Pennsylvania should take a long hard look at
21 non-profits who are located in financially distressed
23 The state, I believe, should encourage
24 non-profits to pay their fair share to prevent the
25 erosion of the tax base in financially strapped cities.
1 And on a related topic, I suggest that
2 non-profit organizations might move their offices to
3 the Southern Union building. Since they are already
4 tax exempt, the taxpayer and they lose nothing by a
5 relocation to a KOZ or KOEZ. In turn, the buildings,
6 the non-profits formerly occupied, can now return to
7 the tax rolls when taxable businesses occupy them.
8 I notice, too, that our state
9 legislators seek to assist in wage tax relief for
10 Philadelphia. I believe it's time to seek some relief
11 for Scranton.
12 Again, so often I read of governmental
13 attempts to address an excessively high wage tax levied
14 on Philadelphia, while Scranton remains the second
15 highest wage tax in the state.
16 With such a significant budget deficit
17 in 2006 and a looming property tax increase, I don't
18 believe we can see any reduction in the wage tax
19 without some type of assistance from the state.
20 I received a report from taxpayers who
21 state the Scranton Sewer Authority was working on a
22 property Green Ridge Street and Sanderson Avenue last
23 Saturday, February 4. Kay, please send a letter to
24 Mr. Barrett, chairman of the Sewer Authority, can the
25 SSA work on private property? What did the developer
1 pay for the SSA services, and what is the SSA policy
2 regarding installation and repairs of sewer lines on
3 private property?
4 And, Kay, would you know, I looked
5 through the mail I received this week, but I wasn't
6 able to locate anything, did we receive a response from
7 Mr. Parker regarding the meeting with neighbors from
8 Hollow Avenue?
9 MS. GARVEY: No, we didn't.
10 MS. EVANS: Okay. It is also
11 appropriate tonight that we recognize the recent
12 passing of an American inspiration, Coretta Scott King.
13 How fitting she left this life during the celebration
14 of Black History Month. She has indeed created her own
15 page in history and stands beside her inspirational
16 spouse, the Reverend Martin Luther King in our esteem.
17 I also have a number of citizens'
18 requests, but first I would like to begin with a
19 commercial announcement supporting the families who
20 support the military, February 22 from 5 to 8 p.m. at
21 Friendly's Restaurant in Dunmore hosted by the Upper
22 Hill Ecumenical Committee, so everyone please come out
23 and enjoy a wonderful meal at friendly's, and a
24 percentage of that will be donated to the military and
25 their families.
1 Now, the 1100 block of Watson Street,
2 repair potholes. Pave Smith place, a court that runs
3 between Watson and Sloan Street. The court has not
4 been paved in over 35 years. Potholes extend from the
5 entrance off South Main up to Schlager Avenue.
6 I'm told the court is a primary access
7 for most utility companies and refuse pickups.
8 Numerous property owners have garages and carports
9 facing this court. If not, a house itself, Smith Place
10 also serves as a shortcut off South Main Avenue because
11 of the flooding and/or accidents. Traffic oftentimes
12 has been diverted through Smith Place.
13 A letter to Mr. Fiorini, please contact
14 the owner of 1147 Sloan Street and request they keep
15 the dumpster behind the right of way at the court.
16 Oak Street and Brick Avenue at East
17 Market Street, vehicles are parking on the sidewalk.
18 Please report to the police department for further
19 action. 1700 and 1800 blocks of McDonough Avenue, ATVs
20 are cited traveling on these streets.
21 I attended a meeting of the
22 North Scranton Neighborhood Association this past
23 Monday to learn their needs of late, and as a result, I
24 ask for a letter to Ms. Hailstone, when will the
25 $10,000 in matching funds be delivered to the North
1 Scranton Neighborhood Association for the Providence
2 Square Clock Project?
3 The association has already received
4 $10,000 from the county government, and the city's
5 payment must be received in order for the clock to be
6 installed in four to five weeks. Residents of North
7 Scranton would like that installation to occur prior to
8 St. Patrick's Day.
9 Also, if anyone wishes to donate to the
10 clock fund, checks may be made payable to the North
11 Scranton Business Association or NSBA and mailed to
12 Dr. Barry Minora.
13 Schimpff Court, located in the rear of
14 1712 Cedar Avenue, a Hart Masonry truck has been parked
15 in the same spot since the summer of 2005. Both the
16 registration and inspection expired in April 2004.
17 This is my third request in more than double the amount
18 of months.
19 A memo to Mr. Parker, are there any
20 plans to extend Gibson Street beyond Capouse Avenue?
21 The corner of Larch Street and North Washington near
22 the city steam plant, please fill the large depression
23 in the street.
24 The 600 through 1000 blocks of Clay
25 Avenue, repair potholes. Corner of Olive Street and
1 Quincy Avenue, although the barricades were removed and
2 cold patch was applied, a depression of several inches
3 still remains, according to residents of the area.
4 212 Oak Street, and I did receive
5 correspondence from Mr. Seitzinger concerning this
6 property, but I have since been notified that there is
7 a notice of determination of blight pin No.
8 13412060044, posted in that location. The owner is
9 deceased. The vacant property review committee met in
10 2005 on this issue, and the contact person is Ms.
11 Blackwell from OECD.
12 I'd like a status report on that
13 property. Is it for sale? Who is currently
14 responsible for its maintenance, because neighbors are
15 complaining this is an eyesore.
16 There's an ill legal vehicle parked at
17 the rear of 2907 Pittston Avenue, and as a result of
18 tonight's caucus, I'd like a letter to human resources,
19 attention Lisa Moran, what insurance costs will be
20 incurred for the Nay Aug tree house?
21 And lastly, I would like a
22 proclamation, Kay, for the West Scranton High School
23 wrestling team. I'm in the process of collecting
24 information about team members, which I will provide to
25 Mrs. Garvey following the members' participation in
1 Hershey this weekend.
2 Two of the seniors, I'm told, had
3 achieved their 100th wins this season, which is a most
4 impressive feat. And, Mrs. Gatelli, that is how I
5 spent my evenings and my computer time with all these
6 many e-mails and probably many, many, many more.
7 That's it.
8 MS. GATELLI: Thank you. Mrs. Fanucci.
9 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Today I was
10 honored to speak at a Lackawanna Leadership Program.
11 They'd actually invited all of us to go in and
12 participate. It was a very wonderful event. It was at
13 Gertrude Hawks. And tell me right now, like, would I
14 not go to Gertrude Hawks? No. I don't think anybody
15 -- give me chocolate, I'm there.
16 But they had so many ideas. What they
17 did was they invite people who are leaders in our area
18 and work in our city businesses and all over our
19 government and everything else, get together and just
20 brainstorm on what it is that they think we need, the
21 direction we need to go.
22 The ideas were very similar to a lot of
23 ideas we hear every day, and a lot of what you have to
24 say. Businesses, jobs, the normal way to attract
25 businesses and jobs.
1 What their main event was economic
2 development, how we believe that economic development
3 will help pay our taxes, and that is what we want, we
4 want to attract businesses.
5 So, I just want to thank them for
6 inviting me. It was obviously my first speaking
7 engagement as your new City Councilwoman, and it was
8 very nice and it was a great event for me.
9 Also, this week I went to the Bethel
10 AME Church to the homeless shelter. I had had a tour
11 of this shelter for the first time, and I want to say
12 it was a very awakening experience.
13 These people are not homeless, due to
14 the fact a lot of them still work. They're working
15 people and go there at night.
16 It was a moving experience to see
17 children and families who couldn't afford their heat
18 this winter, and it was a very mild winter, and yet
19 still they are 50 people a night who actually go there.
20 And the people that take care of them are so wonderful
21 and giving and they had hot cooked meals.
22 I went on the night of the Super Bowl,
23 can you imagine? Did they want to talk to me? They're
24 like, Get away from me, I want to watch TV. We're here
25 to watch the Super Bowl.
1 But it was an awakening experience.
2 They do need some helps, cots, very simple things,
3 sleeping bags, a lot of things we give away every day
4 and we have.
5 If you can drop off something there,
6 that is something that would really help these people
7 out. The littlest thing to us is really a big thing
8 for them.
9 And this is where we need to focus. We
10 need to talk to these people and find out how we can
11 help, how we can give them a hand up and maybe not have
12 so many people there.
13 That's something I'm working very
14 closely with Reverend Newberry. I just want to tell
15 everyone, if there's anything you can do, stop by there
16 and just take a look and maybe give them an old
17 sleeping bag or even a new one would be nice, would be
18 nice. That was my week.
19 I also want to thank DPW for helping me
20 with three potholes this week, and I can give a report
21 of all the wonderful phone calls I got, but that's
22 pretty much it. Thanks.
23 MS. GATELLI: Thank you. Mr.
25 MR. MCTIERNAN: Mrs. Gatelli, I'm sorry
1 I have to disappoint you tonight.
2 MS. GATELLI: Oh, don't do it.
3 MR. MCTIERNAN: I have nothing at this
4 time, Madame President.
5 MS. GATELLI: Oh, no. Here we go.
6 MS. GATELLI: Mr. Courtright.
7 MR. COURTRIGHT: Yes. I have the list
8 of the beats that people were interested in, they were
9 CommD beats, and what we have is in West Scranton we
10 have a 3-A and 3-B, they have two beats there, in South
11 Scranton they have a 6-A and a 6-B, two beat there, in
12 North Scranton we have a 5-A, and in the Hill Section
13 we have two 1-As, so there are two officers under the
14 same thing, CD-1-A.
15 Weston Field, it's 4-A, the beat is,
16 but there's not an officer there now. If anybody
17 listened earlier, they've given a police test recently,
18 and that beat will be filled in the near future.
19 Pine Brook is 2-A, and Green Ridge is
20 4-B. Once again, Green Ridge does not have a beat
21 officers as of yet. When the testing is all done,
22 those will be filled.
23 I have a -- I'll leave this with Kay,
24 and if anybody's interested, it gives you the
25 parameters of what streets they cover and where they go
1 to, and it's a little lengthy for me to read off here
2 today, so if anybody is interested, I will leave it
3 with Kay and she will be happy to provide you with
5 Ray Lyman came here very upset last
6 week about a pothole when you're going into West
7 Scranton over the Lackawanna Avenue Bridge, the one
8 near Jerry Donahue's building there, and Mr. Patrick
9 McMullen, I think, took care of that. I checked it out
10 today, it's filled in. So, we thank Patrick.
11 On Linden Street going from West
12 Scranton downtown across the street from Keystone
13 Building block, there's a large building there, I think
14 it says on the outside EPCOR, and I spoke to Mr.
15 Fiorini about it and I got to get back to him, it's
16 been vacant for a long time, a lot of police calls
17 there, homeless people living in there, the people in
18 the neighborhood are pretty disgusted with it.
19 And I called Mr. Fiorini, and he wasn't
20 100 percent sure if it's the city's property or if it's
21 not the city's property, but certainly if it is, we
22 will see what we can do with it, if we can board it up
23 so that they can't get back in there, or if they can
24 put it up for sale, it's a rather large building.
25 And one of the more important things I
1 have tonight, I have several pictures here, and I don't
2 know if you'll be audible to see them, but this past
3 Saturday I went down to the Holiday Manor, a building
4 that was controversial about being torn down, and what
5 we had was the USAR team from the City of Scranton
6 there, it's firemen from the City of Scranton, there
7 were firemen from the Allentown area and medical
8 personnel there, and I believe all of our firemen that
9 were there, if not most, were there on their own time,
10 they did not get paid for being there.
11 I believe most of their training they
12 do on their own time, they do not get paid for, so
13 we're certainly grateful for that. And I don't know --
14 I got a real education.
15 I don't know if you can see any of
16 these pictures or not, this is a, I don't know what you
17 call this, I think it's a wet saw is what they call it,
18 but anyway, they marked the area of a building that
19 they need to get into, and then they saw through it,
20 and what I didn't realize is you need to know a lot of
21 math to be able to do this, because they have to
22 calculate how much that's going to weigh, and this is
23 them pulling it out, the anchor bolts into the wall,
24 and they have to calculate the weight of this so when
25 they take it out, and, again, I'm sorry if you can't
1 see these, and this is them actually when they
2 extracted the piece of concrete, extremely thick.
3 And I'd just like to read a little bit
4 to you about what they did there. I thought I knew
5 quite a bit about the fire department, but I got an
6 education on Saturday. And if you could bear with me,
7 I'd like to read this.
8 The Pennsylvania Emergency Management
9 Agency, PEMA, has created a nine statewide regional
10 USAR team. The objective is to provide Pennsylvania
11 with a statewide urban search and rescue system that
12 incorporates rapid response and engagement of highly
13 trained and organized personnel through regionally
14 based operational elements.
15 The Scranton Bureau of Fire has entered
16 into an agreement with PEMA to participate with our
17 regional task force designated PA Company Three.
18 This 30 member team has a primary
19 response which covers an eight county radius in
20 Northeastern Pennsylvania.
21 Company Three can be dispatched to any
22 event in the state people when requested by PEMA. Ten
23 members of the Scranton Fire Bureau were selected to
24 the team. These firefighters spent over 200 hours
25 attending specialized training at the Philadelphia Fire
2 This team will respond to incidents
3 involving natural disasters, chemical, biological,
4 radiological and explosive incidents.
5 The intent of this team is to designed
6 for blitz operations to achieve greatest success in the
7 first 24 hours of an incident.
8 We'd also like to thank, they fire
9 department wanted to thank Mr. Hartman from the
10 Tobyhanna Credit Union because he allowed them to use
11 this building.
12 And if I may, I'd just like to read the
13 list of the firefighters that were involved. And,
14 again, I believe most, if not all, their training they
15 did without being paid for.
16 Lieutenant Joe Snitser, he's an element
17 leader, Captain Jack Davis, Rescue Specialist,
18 Lieutenant Brian Scott, Rescue Specialist, Captain,
19 George Langan, Rescue Specialist, Lieutenant David
20 Applegate, Rescue Specialist, Private Dan Franz, Rescue
21 Specialist, Private Bob Soltowitz, I messed up your
22 name, Bob, Rescue Specialist, Private Mike Grimes,
23 Rescue Specialist, Private Robert Hannon, Recuse
24 Specialist, and Chauffeur Paul Sheerer, Search
1 I wouldn't do them justice to try to
2 explain to you exactly what they did. It was a sight
3 to see. I will also leave these photos in City
4 Council. I think some of you might be interested to
5 take a look at. It's extremely interesting how they do
6 this and comforting knowing we have these guys, so I
7 want to thank them for inviting me and thank them for
8 donating their time to keep us safe. And that's all I
9 have thank you.
10 MS. GATELLI: Thank you. The only
11 thing I have is to add to Mrs. Evans' proclamation, we
12 also have a student at West Scranton High School who
13 was just honored by the Scranton School Board, he's a
14 football player and he's been accepted to Fordham
15 University, he was honored by the school board on
16 Tuesday evening, and I think that we should give him a
17 proclamation, also. His name is Asa Lucas. And we
18 hope that our wrestlers win. They're wrestling
20 We're very close to the wrestlers,
21 because my assistant, Kathy Martin, her two nephews are
22 wrestlers, so they're always coming in the medical room
23 to get drinks of water and whatever they need, so, we
24 wish the wrestlers very much success on Friday.
25 And just one other thing, Kay, to see
1 if we can have the caucus with the KOZ for next week,
2 and then maybe Mr. Brown from The Times can put it in
3 the paper, because apparently some people don't know
4 that we're having a caucus, so if he can maybe keep in
5 touch with Kay or, Kay, you tell him, if he could
6 please put it in the paper at least two days before so
7 the public knows that we'll be here. And that's all I
8 have. Thank you.
9 MS. GARVEY: Okay. I'll start where I
10 left off before. 5-B, FOR INTRODUCTION - A RESOLUTION
11 - RESOLUTION OF THE COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF SCRANTON
12 AUTHORIZING PARTICIPATION IN THE MULTIMUNICIPAL
13 PLANNING EFFORT AND AUTHORIZING SOUTH ABINGTON TOWNSHIP
14 TO MAKE APPLICATION FOR SUCH A GRANT ON BEHALF OF THE
15 CITY OF SCRANTON AS A PARTICIPANT IN THE
16 SCRANTON-ABINGTONS PLANNING ASSOCIATION CREATION OF A
17 REGIONAL COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND AUTHORIZING THE CITY'S
18 SHARE OF THE COST OF THIS EFFORT.
19 MS. GATELLI: At this time I'll
20 entertain a motion that it be introduced into it's
21 proper committee.
22 MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.
23 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Second.
24 MS. GATELLI: On the question? All in
1 MS. EVANS: Aye.
2 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Aye.
3 MR. MCTIERNAN: Aye.
4 MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.
5 MS. GATELLI: Aye. Opposed? The ayes
6 have it and so moved.
7 MS. GARVEY: 6-A, READING BY TITLE -
8 FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 15, 2006 - AN ORDINANCE - SALE OF
9 TAX DELINQUENT PROPERTY AT 422 SOUTH MAIN AVENUE,
10 SCRANTON, PENNSYLVANIA, TO FIDELITY DEPOSIT AND
11 DISCOUNT BANK, 338 NORTH WASHINGTON AVENUE, SCRANTON,
12 PENNSYLVANIA, 18503 FOR THE SUM OF $8,000.00.
13 MS. GATELLI: You've heard reading by
14 title of Item 6-A, what is your pleasure?
15 MR. COURTRIGHT: I move that Item 6-A
16 pass reading by title.
17 MS NEALON FANUCCI: Second.
18 MS. GATELLI: On the question? All
19 those in favor, signify by saying aye.
20 MS. EVANS: Aye.
21 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Aye.
22 MR. MCTIERNAN: Aye.
23 MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.
24 MS. GATELLI: Aye. Opposed? The ayes
25 have it and so moved.
1 MS. GARVEY: 6-B, READING BY TITLE -
2 FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 16, 2006 - AN ORDINANCE -
3 SALE OF TAX DELINQUENT PROPERTY AT 1351 BRYN MAWR
4 STREET, SCRANTON, PENNSYLVANIA, TO JAMES D. AND LAURA
5 A. DECKER, 920 DESALES AVENUE, SCRANTON, PENNSYLVANIA,
6 18504, FOR THE SUM OF $2,500.00.
7 MS. GATELLI: You've heard reading by
8 title of Item 6-B, what is your pleasure?
9 MR. COURTRIGHT: I move that Item 6-B
10 pass reading by title.
11 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Second.
12 MS. GATELLI: On the question? All
13 those in favor.
14 MS. EVANS: Aye.
15 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Aye.
16 MR. MCTIERNAN: Aye.
17 MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.
18 MS. GATELLI: Aye. Opposed? The ayes
19 have it and so moved.
20 MS. GARVEY: 7-A, FOR CONSIDERATION BY
21 THE COMMITTEE ON FINANCE - FOR ADOPTION - FILE OF
22 COUNCIL NO. 14, 2006, AN ORDINANCE - AMENDING FILE OF
23 COUNCIL NO. 82, 2004 - AN ORDINANCE ENTITLED GENERAL
24 CITY OPERATING BUDGET 2005 BY TRANSFERRING $63,715.06
25 FROM ACCOUNT NO. 01.401.15240.4299 (TAN SERIES B) AND
1 $48,284.94 FROM ACCOUNT NO. 01.401.15307.4299
2 (OPERATING TRANSFER-DEBT SERVICE 2003B BOND) FOR A
3 TOTAL TRANSFER AMOUNT OF $112,000.00 TO ACCOUNT NO.
4 01.080.00083.4460 TO PROVIDE FUNDING TO COVER STREET
5 LIGHTING EXPENSES THROUGH YEAR END.
6 MS. GATELLI: What is the
7 recommendation of the chairperson on finance?
8 MR. MCTIERNAN: I recommend final
9 passage of Item 7-A.
10 MR. COURTRIGHT: Seconded.
11 MS. GATELLI: On the question? Roll
13 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Evans.
14 MS. EVANS: Yes.
15 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Fanucci.
16 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Yes.
17 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. McTiernan.
18 MR. MCTIERNAN: Yes.
19 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. Courtright.
20 MR. COURTRIGHT: Yes.
21 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Gatelli.
22 MS. GATELLI: Yes. I hereby declare
23 Item 7-A legally and lawfully adopted.
24 MS. GARVEY: 7-B, FOR CONSIDERATION BY
25 THE COMMITTEE ON COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT - FOR ADOPTION -
1 RESOLUTION NO. 29, 2006 - AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND
2 OTHER APPROPRIATE CITY OFFICIALS TO EXECUTE AND APPLY
3 FOR A GRANT FOR HOUSING AND REDEVELOPMENT ASSISTANCE
4 THROUGH DCED; ACCEPTING THE GRANT IF THE APPLICATION IS
5 SUCCESSFUL, AND COORDINATING THE USE OF THE GRANT FUNDS
6 THROUGH THE PROGRAMS RUN BY UNITED NEIGHBORHOOD
8 MS. GATELLI: What's the recommendation
9 of the chairperson for the committee on community
11 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: As chairperson for
12 the committee on community development, I recommend
13 final passage of 7-B.
14 MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.
15 MS. GATELLI: On the question? Roll
17 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Evans.
18 MS. EVANS: Yes.
19 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Fanucci.
20 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Yes.
21 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. McTiernan.
22 MR. MCTIERNAN: Yes.
23 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. Courtright.
24 MR. COURTRIGHT: Yes.
25 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Gatelli.
1 MS. GATELLI: Yes. I hereby declare
2 Item 7-B legally and lawfully adopted.
3 MS. GARVEY: 7-C, FOR CONSIDERATION BY
4 THE COMMITTEE ON COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT - FOR ADOPTION -
5 RESOLUTION NO. 30, 2006 - AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND
6 OTHER APPROPRIATE CITY OFFICIALS FOR THE CITY OF
7 SCRANTON TO ENTER INTO A LOAN AGREEMENT AND MAKE A LOAN
8 FROM THE COMMERCIAL/INDUSTRIAL REVOLVING LOAN PROGRAM,
9 PROJECT NO. 03-150 IN AN AMOUNT NO TO EXCEED $25,000.00
10 TO NORTHERN LIGHTS ESPRESSO BAR, INC., TO ASSIST AN
11 ELIGIBLE PROJECT.
12 MS. GATELLI: What's the recommendation
13 of the chairperson for the committee on community
15 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: As chairperson for
16 the committee on community development, I recommend
17 final passage of Item 7-C.
18 MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.
19 MS. GATELLI: On the question? Roll
21 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Evans.
22 MS. EVANS: Yes.
23 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Fanucci.
24 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Yes.
25 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. McTiernan.
1 MR. MCTIERNAN: Yes.
2 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. Courtright.
3 MR. COURTRIGHT: Yes.
4 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Gatelli.
5 MS. GATELLI: Yes. I hereby declare
6 Item 7-C legally and lawfully adopted.
7 MS. GARVEY: 7-D, FOR CONSIDERATION BY
8 THE COMMITTEE ON RULES - FOR ADOPTION - RESOLUTION NO.
9 31, 2006 - APPOINTING NANCY REEDY, 2026 PROSPECT
10 AVENUE, SCRANTON, PENNSYLVANIA, 18505, AS ALTERNATE NO.
11 1 MEMBER TO THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS FOR THE CITY OF
12 SCRANTON. MS. REEDY WILL FILL THE UNEXPIRED TERM OF
13 JUDY GATELLI, WHOSE TERM EXPIRES ON JULY 1, 2007.
14 MS. GATELLI: As chairperson for the
15 committee on rules, I recommend final passage of Item
17 MR. COURTRIGHT: Seconded.
18 MS. GATELLI: On the question? Roll
20 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Evans.
21 MS. EVANS: Yes.
22 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Fanucci.
23 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Yes.
24 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. McTiernan.
25 MR. MCTIERNAN: Yes.
1 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. Courtright.
2 MR. COURTRIGHT: Yes.
3 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Gatelli.
4 MS. GATELLI: Yes. I hereby declare
5 Item 7-D legally and lawfully adopted.
6 MS. GARVEY: 7-E, FOR CONSIDERATION BY
7 THE COMMITTEE ON RULES - FOR ADOPTION - RESOLUTION NO.
8 32, 2006 - APPOINTING ROBERT SHUMAKER, 702 STAFFORD
9 AVENUE, SCRANTON, PENNSYLVANIA, 18505 AS ALTERNATE NO.
10 2 MEMBER TO THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS FOR THE CITY OF
11 SCRANTON. MR. SHUMAKER WILL FILL THE UNEXPIRED TERM OF
12 TODD JOHNS, WHOSE TERM EXPIRES ON JULY 1, 2007.
13 MS. GATELLI: As chairperson for the
14 committee on rules, I recommend passage of Item 7-E.
15 MR. COURTRIGHT: Seconded.
16 MS. GATELLI: On the question? Roll
18 MS. EVANS: No. I want to thank you
19 and Mr. Johns for your wonderful dedicated service, and
20 I'm sure we all wish Ms. Reedy and Mr. Shumaker a very
21 successful future on the zoning board.
22 MS. GATELLI: I enjoyed zoning so much.
23 MS. EVANS: I know you did.
24 MS. GATELLI: It's very important in
25 the community, especially to keep out illegal
1 apartments and things of that nature. I did really
2 like it. Thank you for appointing me to that.
3 MS. EVANS: You're welcome. Roll call.
4 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Evans.
5 MS. EVANS: Yes.
6 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Fanucci.
7 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Yes.
8 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. McTiernan.
9 MR. MCTIERNAN: Yes.
10 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. Courtright.
11 MR. COURTRIGHT: Yes.
12 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Gatelli.
13 MS. GATELLI: Yes. I hereby declare
14 Item 7-E legally and lawfully adopted. Do we have a
15 motion so I can go to sleep?
16 MR. COURTRIGHT: I make a motion to
18 MS. NEALON FANUCCI: Second.
19 MS. GATELLI: Thank you very much.
21 (MEETING WAS ADJOURNED.)
2 C E R T I F I C A T E
4 I hereby certify that the proceedings and
5 evidence are contained fully and accurately in the
6 notes taken by me on the hearing of the above cause and
7 that this copy is a correct transcript of the same
8 to the best of my ability.
LISA M. GRAFF, RMR
12 Official Court Reporter