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2 SCRANTON CITY COUNCIL MEETING

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6 Held:

7 Thursday, November 3, 2005

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10 Time:

11 7:00 p.m.

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14 Location:

15 Council Chambers

16 Scranton City Hall

17 340 North Washington Avenue

18 Scranton, Pennsylvania

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23 Lisa M. Graff, RPR

24 Court Reporter

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1 CITY OF SCRANTON COUNCIL:

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3 MR. GARY DIBILEO, COUNCIL PRESIDENT

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5 MS. JANET E. EVANS, VICE-PRESIDENT

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7 MR. WILLIAM COURTRIGHT

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9 MR. JOHN POCIUS

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11 MR. ROBERT McTIERNAN

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13 MR. JAY SAUNDERS, CITY CLERK

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15 MS. KAY GARVEY, ASSISTANT CITY CLERK

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18 ALSO PRESENT:

19 FRANK BLASI, ESQUIRE

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1 MR. DIBILEO: Kay, can we have a roll

2 call, please?

3 MS. GARVEY: Mr. McTiernan.

4 MR. McTIERNAN: Here.

5 MS. GARVEY: Mrs. Evans.

6 MS. EVANS: Here.

7 MS. GARVEY: Mr. Pocius.

8 MR. POCIUS: Here.

9 MS. GARVEY: Mr. Courtright.

10 MR. COURTRIGHT: Here.

11 MS. GARVEY: Mr. DiBileo.

12 MR. DIBILEO: Here. If we can dispense

13 with the reading of the minutes, please.

14 MR. SAUNDERS: Third order. 3-A,

15 Petition to consider vacating the unnamed court at the

16 rear of the 700 block of Davis Street.

17 MR. DIBILEO: Are there any comments on

18 3-A? If not, received and filed.

19 MR. POCIUS: Mr. President, at this

20 time I would like to make a motion that we send this

21 petition to the proper city officials for review of the

22 city planner/city engineer and on their report if they

23 could ask Attorney Farrell to prepare the proper

24 ordinance for the vacation of this court.

25 MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.
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1 MR. DIBILEO: We have a motion on the

2 floor and a second. On the question? All those in

3 favor signify by saying Aye.

4 MR. POCIUS: Aye.

5 MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.

6 MR. MCTIERNAN: Aye.

7 MS. EVANS: Aye.

8 MR. DIBILEO: Aye. The ayes have it

9 and so moved. Thank you, Mr. Pocius.

10 MR. SAUNDERS: 3-B, Minutes of the

11 Scranton/Lackawanna Health and Welfare Authority

12 meeting held on September 15, 2005.

13 MR. DIBILEO: Are there any comments on

14 3-B? If not received and filed.

15 MR. SAUNDERS: 3-C. Agenda for the

16 Zoning Hearing Board meeting to be held on Wednesday,

17 November 16, 2005.

18 MR. DIBILEO: Are there any comments

19 on 3-C? If not, received and filed. Clerk's Notes.

20 MR. SAUNDERS: I have nothing at this

21 time, Mr. President.

22 MR. DIBILEO: Thank you, Mr.

23 Saunders. We will go right to citizens participation.

24 Before I call up the first speaker, I want to of course

25 welcome everyone here, everyone here in our audience,
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1 all of our speakers, and even those at home. We are

2 five days away from a very emotionally charged

3 election, and, you know, people are very passionate on

4 both sides of this election and I would like to stress

5 to the audience, please, to show respect to all

6 speakers by refraining from any noise from the audience

7 while speakers are at the podium.

8 I ask speakers to abide by our

9 five-minute time limitation in consideration of others,

10 and I also ask speakers to refrain from comments of a

11 personal nature I appreciate everyone abiding by these

12 rules and I thank you for it.

13 And I have a gavel, I don't want to use

14 it, too often, but we may have to use it if there's any

15 noise in the audience, so we greatly appreciate your

16 consideration.

17 In addition to that, I just want to

18 make a quick mention of the fact that there was an

19 incident, an unfortunate incident, today that took

20 place. There was a shooting outside of one of our

21 schools and you know, we don't want any speakers to

22 dwell on that incident. I want to congratulate our

23 police force for apprehending the person involved.

24 It looks like the victim is going

25 to be okay and, you know, this is just another example
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1 of what we've been talking about, but everybody is

2 going to be okay and the police did a good job. And

3 with that said, I'd like to call up our first speaker,

4 Charlie Newcomb Jr.

5 MR. SAUNDERS: Mr. President, before

6 you go any further, I just have to call fourth order

7 just to get it in that order. Fourth order, citizens

8 participation.

9 MR. DIBILEO: Okay. And Charlie.

10 Newcomb Jr.

11 MR. NEWCOMB JR.: Good evening,

12 Council. If I could, I have some pictures that I'd

13 like to hold up that I kind of blew up that I would

14 like to show you. Before I get into that, last week we

15 heard about a letter that a particular citizen

16 received, and I'll just get into it a little bit more.

17 These pictures that I want to show you,

18 and I'll show them to the audience when I'm done, if

19 you can see this, this is Lackawanna Avenue, behind it

20 is where the new Casey Garage is being built.

21 In front of it there's a red pickup

22 truck and on each side of it it has a towel tied to the

23 mirror and tied to the handle covering the name on the

24 truck when you go on the other side. As you can see in

25 this picture, it's on that side, as well.
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1 If you're driving up Lackawanna Avenue

2 where this truck was parked a block away you have a

3 bank, you have a courthouse right up here that you can

4 see from here, you have the communication center on the

5 other corner, you have Chamberlain behind this and you

6 have the Mall at Steamtown where the police station or

7 the patrol cars leave from underneath, so a vehicle

8 like this kind of stands out downtown as suspicious.

9 When you take the towels off the truck --

10 MR. DIBILEO: Charlie, maybe you want

11 to just show the audience what you are showing us

12 quickly, just very quickly. Okay. Thank you.

13 MR. NEWCOMB JR.: When you take the

14 towels off of the truck, here is the name that's

15 underneath, McGregor, Dunmore, Pennsylvania, and it has

16 their U.S. DOT Number.

17 As we learned last week who McGregor

18 is, it's the mayor's sister, which isn't a problem to

19 have your truck parked on Lackawanna Avenue but why is

20 there a towel covering each side of it if there's

21 nothing wrong?

22 I think it would be a little bit easier

23 just to park the truck there and don't put the towel on

24 each side of it because it wouldn't be as conspicuous

25 then, but what is going on with the McGregor's and the
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1 Casey Garage?

2 And I'm not up here to personally

3 attack anybody, but when you go downtown and you see a

4 truck parked on the side of the road with towels

5 covering over the name, you pick it up and it's the

6 mayor's sister and her husband's business, it kind of

7 sends up a red flag what is going on in this city.

8 It's a little fishy to know that something like that is

9 going on there. Why would you cover it up if nothing

10 is going on?

11 MR. DIBILEO: Perhaps you want to

12 show that to the audience.

13 MR. NEWCOMB JR.: So, I just don't

14 get it. And, Mrs. Evans, last week you mentioned about

15 how this woman received a letter, I can't get a copy of

16 a letter from Mr. Parker about a flooding problem in

17 front of my house, but the mayor's sister can get a

18 letter regarding the garage and now her vehicles are

19 being parked out front with towels in front of it.

20 MS. EVANS: Well, actually, Mr.

21 Newcomb, I believe the letter concerned the Hilton

22 Hotel and Conference Center, rather than the garage,

23 but it was a matter of concern to me, in that, as an

24 elected official seated on City Council, I do not have

25 access to that information, nor did I see that
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1 information until documents had been subpoenaed.

2 They were among the subpoenaed

3 documents. So, neither myself as a councilwoman or you

4 or anyone in this audience, John Q. Public, has access

5 to that information, but, yet, Mrs. McGregor, the

6 mayor's sister, evidently does, and that of course

7 opens the situation up to the inevitable question, why,

8 and I don't know why

9 MR. POCIUS: I know why. I know why.

10 MS. EVANS: Well, please tell us

11 MR. POCIUS: I did that abominable

12 thing, I asked. Is that terrible? I picked up the

13 phone and called

14 MS. EVANS: I'm so glad you did, John,

15 because The Scranton Times didn't even ask.

16 MR. NEWCOMB: I don't get answers when

17 I call either

18 MR. POCIUS: The bottom line is, and

19 again this is Mrs. McGregor served on the transition

20 team prior to Mayor Doherty being sworn in in 2003, I

21 guess that would be, or 2002, I guess more active, I'm

22 confused with the dates, and that was the office they

23 had set up in the PNC Bank, and at that time the

24 developers of the hotel were trying to set up various

25 meetings with the transition team in lieu of the
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1 administration taking effect.

2 Mrs. McGregor was on the team, and

3 various faxes were sent and whatever letters and

4 correspondence were sent to various members on that

5 team. I talked to Virginia personally and she said she

6 had no knowledge of ever receiving that because it

7 seemed the name was just left on there and she never

8 got the fax. I have one question for you, Mr. Newcomb,

9 do you know who took those pictures?

10 MR. NEWCOMB, JR.: Yes.

11 MR. POCIUS: Do you want to tell me

12 who took them?

13 MR. NEWCOMB, JR.: I'll tell you

14 after the meeting

15 MR. POCIUS: I think I know who took

16 them.

17 MR. NEWCOMB, JR.: You can tell me

18 and I'll tell you if you're right.

19 MR. POCIUS: Was it President

20 DiBileo?

21 MR. NEWCOMB, JR.: No, it wasn't.

22 That's not who I received the pictures from. I blew

23 them up myself.

24 MS. EVANS: Mr. Pocius --

25 MR. NEWCOMB: Can you answer my
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1 question, Mr. Pocius?

2 MS. EVANS: Here it is, so I'm quite

3 certain she would have received it, and she's not the

4 only one listed, it's Carl Greco. I'm assuming that

5 Carl Greco, Virginia McGregor and the mayor, so I would

6 say, you know, I don't know why -- I don't know that

7 you know the mayor's sister should be running city

8 government.

9 MR. POCIUS: She's not running city

10 government.

11 MS. EVANS: Well, at the time it

12 appears she had quite a hand in the process or maybe

13 she was an investor.

14 MR. POCIUS: I explained to you what

15 the process was. That was three months into the

16 administration. I get faxes at work on projects where

17 I may have attended one meeting and basically turned

18 the project over, but I'm still copied on faxes as it

19 goes through the project. Until you tell somebody,

20 Look, really you don't have to send it to me anymore

21 because I have nothing to do with it, it's passed onto

22 another engineer or whatever. So --

23 MS. EVANS: Can you imagine that City

24 Council has to subpoena information in order to learn

25 what is going on with the construction?
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1 MR. POCIUS: That's your opinion.

2 MS. EVANS: With the construction of

3 all these buildings, I wonder if perhaps your sister or

4 my sister could get copies of all of the documents that

5 we handle.

6 MR. POCIUS: My sister would have no

7 reason to even ask for them

8 MS. EVANS: Nor would mine.

9 MR. POCIUS: Let's not talk about

10 family, let's make another example if we're going to

11 make an example, all right?

12 MR. NEWCOMB, JR.: Can I real quick,

13 Um, Mr. Pocius, I'll tell you, it was a retired police

14 officer that gave me the pictures, and out of respect

15 I'll tell you afterwards what his name was, if you

16 really want to know.

17 MR. POCIUS: He gave you the pictures

18 but did he take them?

19 MR. NEWCOMB, JR.: Yes, he took them

20 and he gave them to me and I blew them up so it would

21 be easier for people to look at. And can you answer

22 why if you're so knowledgeable and you can get an

23 answer and I can't pick up the phone to get an answer,

24 can you tell me why it would be normal then for a

25 vehicle, whether it's mine, yours, anybody's, to be
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1 parked on Lackawanna Avenue covering the name over it?

2 Do you think that that's a normal thing?

3 MR. POCIUS: What I understand is from

4 my knowledge of the situation is that the McGregor Iron

5 Company was doing some iron installation which they

6 received on a bid from the construction manager

7 Quandal.

8 MR. NEWCOMB, JR.: I understand that,

9 but why would you cover the name up on both sides

10 Lackawanna Avenue when you're in an area like that?

11 MR. POCIUS: Well, I'm not sure why, I

12 have an idea, and again it's not anything like

13 clandestine, it's just kind of a trades thing.

14 MS. EVANS: The trade trucks cover

15 their names with towels?

16 MR. NEWCOMB, JR.: This is what

17 happens.

18 MR. DIBILEO: I have to ask the

19 audience to please refrain from making noise.

20 MR. POCIUS: Well, I guess I'll

21 explain. To my understanding, the McGregor Iron

22 Company is basically, I think it's a non-union -- in

23 order to work on a union job to pay the rate, they have

24 to come on the site

25 MR. NEWCOMB, JR.: I believe they're
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1 union. I was told today they were union.

2 MR. POCIUS: I'm not sure but I think

3 the company itself maybe. It's only my guess, and they

4 would cover the name because they would have to pay the

5 union, they would make an agreement with the union to

6 do that type of work, but I think they would have to

7 have basically no affiliation with the company as the

8 tradesmen would work on it.

9 MR. NEWCOMB, JR.: Just to respond to

10 you, there's a truck parked right behind it and it says

11 Quandel on it and that doesn't have anything covered

12 up.

13 MR. POCIUS: You're not listening to

14 what I'm telling you.

15 MR. NEWCOMB, JR.: I'm listening to

16 what you're telling me, but you're getting

17 argumentative, and I'm not getting argumentative, I'm

18 telling you what it is.

19 MR. DIBILEO: I'm sorry, but when Mr.

20 Pocius is speaking let him finish.

21 MR. POCIUS: That's all.

22 MR. COURTRIGHT: Mr. Newcomb, can I ask

23 you a question? As you bring that up, something just

24 jumped in my head, I know the school district has a

25 nepotism rule, would you be in favor if this city
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1 council made a nepotism rule with no council members,

2 family members or the mayor's family members can't do

3 work for the city, would you be in favor of something

4 like that?

5 MR. NEWCOMB, JR.: Two hundred and

6 fifty percent. I think the best motion that you ever

7 made was that nobody on city council can have an

8 interest in -- financial interest regarding personal

9 business, and I agree with you 250 percent. And if

10 anyone wants these pictures, I have small copies, and

11 if The Times wants them, I have smaller ones, as well.

12 Thank you.

13 MR. DIBILEO: And let me say that, you

14 know, that is quite extraordinary when you see a

15 vehicle with towels covering its identity. We have

16 Chamberlain Ammunition Plant in the neighborhood, we

17 have banks in the neighborhood, as Mr. Newcomb said,

18 and that is an unusual circumstance, and it just looks

19 like somebody is trying to hide something. And when it

20 turns out to be a family member of the mayor you wonder

21 why they would be trying to hide something.

22 And Mr. Courtright brings up an idea, I

23 think, I think that this City Council for the City of

24 Scranton should be considering a nepotism policy.

25 The school district has one, I think we
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1 should consider it this evening, as a matter of fact,

2 whereby no member of a mayor's family or a city

3 councilman's family could do work for or work for the

4 City of Scranton, and I am going to use just another

5 example of why this might be a good idea.

6 I understand that all of the Workers'

7 Compensation work for the City of Scranton is done by a

8 partner of the brother of the mayor, a partner in the

9 law firm of Nealon, Doherty, something, Scanlon, Howley

10 and Doherty, and one of the partners is Mr. Nealon,

11 Attorney Nealon, and he does all the Workers'

12 Compensation work, so he is an individual attorney in

13 that firm, but the fact is that that work is going into

14 the firm of the mayor's brother, and I would find it

15 surprising if the mayor's brother didn't somehow

16 benefit from that firm receiving all of that work, and

17 I'm told it could be in the neighborhood of $200,000 a

18 year in business, which would be $800,000 over a

19 four-year period, and because of that, and because of

20 the situation that we're hearing about today, I don't

21 know if McGregor Iron, the mayor's sister's company, is

22 working on that garage, maybe they're supposed to be

23 there, maybe they are not supposed to be there, but it

24 looks awful funny to have towels blocking its identity.

25 And something's strange there, so I
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1 think that when motions come around, I'd like to make a

2 motion that we include nepotism, anti nepotism in the

3 City of Scranton. And if one speaker coming up tonight

4 think's that that's a bad idea, just please say so.

5 And with that said, we'll move on to the next speaker,

6 who is Louann Lord.

7 MS. LORD: Good evening, Council. I'm

8 a little nervous, too, bear with me. I want to thank

9 you first off for the opportunity to speak to you

10 tonight. On October 6th of this year, our family

11 became the victims due to fire I'm here on behalf of my

12 family tonight to thank the fire department of the City

13 of Scranton.

14 Our home was not a total loss, thanks

15 to the quick response and the diligence of the fire

16 department. They made us feel at ease and took what is

17 was one of the worst days of our lives and gave us

18 comfort.

19 When this house went up in flames, we

20 felt as though we were losing a part of ourselves and

21 of our history. It was the home my mother was born in

22 and it felt as though we were losing my mother all over

23 again.

24 The fire inspectors, three of them,

25 Jack, Sean, I can't remember the third one, worked
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1 carefully to find the reason and actually educated us

2 on different things that can start fires as this

3 process went on. We left for a few minutes and left

4 them a number to reach us if they had any questions.

5 They called us to let us know that a FedEx package had

6 been delivered.

7 Where in the world does a fire

8 department call you to let you know your FedEx is ready

9 to be picked up and they asked the delivery man to wait

10 five minutes until we can get there?

11 So, I want to thank the men of the

12 Scranton Fire Department from the bottom of my heart

13 for going above and beyond, and I want the City of

14 Scranton to know just how wonderful they are.

15 At the same time I also want to thank

16 the city officials who stopped by that day, Mr. Mark

17 Sitzinger, Mr. Charles Matthews, Mr. Bob Scopelliti,

18 just to name a few. I can't even remember them all. I

19 want to thank Mr. George Parker, Sam Vitris and the

20 entire Department of Public Works, they all showed

21 their great concern for our family that day.

22 These are the people that make this

23 city a great place to live. God willing we will never

24 need these kinds of emergency services again.

25 Thankfully they were there for us when we needed them.
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1 They all were a vital part in making a bad situation

2 better. The services under the leadership of Mayor

3 Doherty are by far the best and second to none. Thank

4 you for your time.

5 MR. DIBILEO: Ms. Lord, we are very

6 sorry for your unfortunate situation, and cudos go out

7 to the fire department and everyone involved. I was

8 not aware of that situation, so I'm glad everything

9 turned out as it could be. Thank you. Mary Dunleavy.

10 MS. DUNLEAVY: Good Evening. My name

11 is Mary Dunleavy, I was born and raised in this area

12 and like many young people, left to pursue an education

13 and a career.

14 I moved to this city approximately ten

15 years ago where my husband and I are currently raising

16 our three children. I'm actively involved in my

17 children's PTA, and currently and have been for the

18 last eight years the secretary of the East Mountain

19 Residence Association.

20 And for the past seven years, I've had

21 the privilege of serving on the City of Scranton Zoning

22 Hearing Board. As a zoning board member, I have

23 experienced firsthand the progress this city has made

24 over the past four years under the leadership of Mayor

25 Doherty.
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1 There have been many multiple

2 million dollar projects which have been brought to this

3 area, such as the Riverfront Sports Complex, The

4 Icebox, The Mill in East Scranton, just to name a few,

5 as well as the townhouse projects which are currently

6 under construction all over the city.

7 This progress has also extended

8 into our small business community, as well. We've had

9 countless numbers of applications for bridal

10 consultants, caterers, counseling centers, beauty

11 shops, gift shops, small restaurants, local grocery

12 stores, art studios, and automotive sales and repairs,

13 just to name a few.

14 These people have invested their

15 time and energy and money here. Many of the buildings

16 which have been vacated for years are currently being

17 occupied. As you can see, good things are happening in

18 our city. All of these projects, in my opinion, are a

19 vote of confidence that this city is moving in the

20 right direction. I believe that many of us here feel

21 that Scranton is finally moving forward and we are all

22 here striving to make it better.

23 I'm here tonight to ask City

24 Council to continue the momentum of the last four years

25 to work with Mayor Doherty to keep this city and its
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1 recovery plan moving forward. This city and especially

2 all of its hard working citizens are well worth the

3 effort. Thank you very much for your time.

4 MR. DIBILEO: Terry Osborne.

5 MR. OSBORNE: Good evening, Council.

6 My name is Terry Osborne. I reside at 2644 Birney

7 Avenue, and again I'm here tonight as a fire

8 representative of the pension board just to talk to you

9 about our ordinance, which I understand is in third

10 reading tonight.

11 But before I do, I did miss the woman's

12 last name, but Louann, I believe her name was that was

13 up here, I would like to pass along from the fire

14 department, we appreciate those words that she had to

15 offer for us. We do in fact on a daily basis go out

16 and give that type of service, and it's nice to see

17 people come forward and recognize us for that, so,

18 again, I am sorry I missed her name but I thank her for

19 that.

20 Again, as you said, our ordinance I

21 know is in third reading for tonight, and, again, I'm

22 here tonight to say that, you know, we will hope that

23 it will attain a 5-0 vote but if not you know just at

24 passing, our hope I guess would be that it would then

25 go to the mayor and he would in fact accept the vote of
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1 this council and in fact institute the finding of the

2 arbitrator.

3 Interesting enough, when I left here

4 last week I stopped over on Pittston Avenue at the

5 Scranton Latin Alliance meeting, and I had a woman who

6 is not Hispanic but was at the meeting come up to me

7 and say, Is any of the stuff you say about the pension

8 fund true? Which you know was kind of amusing, but I

9 was kind of sad with that, too, the thought that

10 somebody thinks you just get up here every week and

11 make things up about the pension fund.

12 We did have a nice conversation

13 about it then, and I would like to think that when she

14 walked away she did and truly believed that I was up

15 here speaking factually. But again just to go over it,

16 the arbitrator has ruled the ruling is clear, people

17 have to be removed from our pension board it's really

18 just a matter of time whether it's through this council

19 and the mayor allowing that ordinance to go into

20 existence or whether it's by a court who is going to

21 finally order these people be removed from our pension

22 board.

23 The sadness of that is since I was here

24 last week, the interest payments on that award are

25 going up. I also stand here as a taxpayer, I'm paying
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1 for that award. I'm paying because there are fees and

2 interest being added to those fees since

3 September 27th. It's absolutely crazy that this thing

4 is where it is today.

5 The legislative intent of Act 205 which

6 created our composite pension board was perfectly

7 clear. It put the handling of the pension fund those

8 funds that are the employee funds, back into the hands

9 of the employees.

10 It literally was written to get it out

11 of politicians' hands over the years for the kinds of

12 reasons. Sometimes our city, like many other cities,

13 just did not have money at the end the year to make a

14 pension contribution so the pension contribution wasn't

15 made. It's the reason the funds in Scranton and all

16 over the State of Pennsylvania were in the sad

17 conditions that they were in. But once our board was

18 in the employees' hands, we had done better.

19 And again as you stated earlier, we've

20 never had this going on before with our pension fund.

21 Mayor McNulty, Mayor Wenzel and Mayor Connors

22 thankfully had a hands-off approach.

23 It's just crazy what has gone on here

24 in the last five years. And again, like I said, we're

25 in the third reading here tonight.
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1 You know, over the years, you know,

2 I've come here as the union president in the past and

3 we argue sometimes over contracts whether they are

4 going to be passed, or not passed, but you know what,

5 in all honesty, contracts are generally short lived,

6 two years, three years, five years, and on, then

7 they're over and we're back asking council for some

8 help again. That's not the case with the pension fund.

9 We have had under performance over the

10 last five years as you reported here of over four and a

11 half million dollars. That's not money that's ever

12 going to be made up again. That's money that through

13 the municipal obligation of the city, the taxpayers are

14 going to pay, and what I'm here tonight to ask, I

15 guess, is that if we want to correct this, we have a

16 real important vote coming up in two or three weeks for

17 our composite pension board, and as I keep stating, we

18 would like our board purified. We would like the

19 additional members removed, we would like the board put

20 back to those original nine members as the state law

21 intended, and as I stated here last week as we sat down

22 with then Council President Bill Gerrity at the time

23 and did on behalf of the employees fund and on behalf

24 of the government in the City of Scranton, we did it

25 cooperatively and it's worked, it's worked for over
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1 21 years.

2 So, again, finally I guess I would just

3 like to say that I hope council will be able to help us

4 out with this, and, again, if your ordinance makes it

5 to the mayor's desk I'm also hoping that the mayor will

6 once and for all I know, see the wisdom of this and

7 simply just sign the ordinance that you guys hopefully

8 will pass tonight.

9 And, again, I want to thank you guys

10 for the process. As I stated a couple of weeks ago,

11 you all were willing to sit and talk with me. I

12 appreciate that, and, again, I hope we do okay with the

13 vote tonight. Thank you.

14 MS. EVANS: Mr. Osborne, before you

15 leave the podium, I have a few questions, because last

16 week the presentation was made by one of your members

17 that I found very enlightening and very frightening and

18 I was hoping that you might be able to shed some light

19 on it for me. Could you tell me first what your

20 position is in the fire department?

21 MR. OSBORNE: Okay. Let me just state

22 this, I'm here as the fire pension representative.

23 MS. EVANS: Right. We'll set that

24 aside.

25 MR. OSBORNE: I am Deputy Chief of
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1 the fire department, but I'm not in any way here on

2 official capacity for the fire department.

3 MS. EVANS: You are the Deputy

4 chief?

5 MR. OSBORNE: Yes, I am.

6 MS. EVANS: And what are your

7 qualifications to hold that position?

8 MR. OSBORNE: I would like to tell

9 you I'm very qualified for that position, just ask me,

10 but in fact I'm on the fire department for over

11 22 years, I do have a degree in fire science. I have a

12 masters degree in human resource management, which I've

13 attained since getting my position, so I would like to

14 think I'm qualified.

15 MS. EVANS: Would you then with

16 that background of qualifications feel yourself in a

17 sound position to restructure your fire department?

18 MR. OSBORNE: Single handedly, no,

19 I don't think I would be. You mean, in fact, 12, 13

20 years ago whenever that was when I was the union

21 president, you know, we at that time we negotiated with

22 the Pennsylvania Economy League, like I said this a

23 week or two ago and in fact in that recovery plan,

24 which we did agree to, the Economy League put language

25 in to have a study conducted to restructure our fire
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1 department and we sat on a committee, along with a

2 gentleman by the name of Boyd Hughes, I think was sent

3 by the Economy League and Boyd was the guy who ran the

4 committee. It had labor side and it had management

5 side appointees.

6 MS. EVANS: Speaking of the study,

7 however, I believe the mayor has made a statement,

8 maybe I can paraphrase, we've been studied to death, so

9 apparently he is opposed to such studies and that

10 studies be generated for any restructuring?

11 MR. OSBORNE: That's the language

12 of the current recovery plan, I guess, but, again, and

13 I'll just use myself as the example, at that time I was

14 the union president and I sat on that committee and I

15 think when you have singularly people making that

16 decision, that type of a decision, I guess, you know

17 again using myself I'm from South Side, I'm from

18 Minooka, if anyone was going to mention the fire house

19 in South Side Minooka, and I'm in no way saying anybody

20 is, I would want to protect my turf, although I would

21 like to work for the greater good of the community.

22 I think that's why you do these

23 studies, people come in, they study traffic patterns,

24 they study demographics, and, you know, just a side to,

25 you know, that argument is going on and I kind of don't
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1 care to get in the middle of it.

2 But I know for a fact in the

3 City of Philadelphia where this thing kind of took

4 place, they were looking to shut down -- I carry on a

5 relationship with a group of Philadelphia firemen and

6 there's an actual court case, no more than we are going

7 to have a court case over the pension plan orders, and

8 we will make the same argument under safety, that a

9 study has to be done, that any community has to do an

10 impact study one for the financials.

11 Most importantly, though, the safety of

12 the firefighters and the safety of the citizens. And,

13 you know, I'm sure when this whole thing does get

14 settled, I'm sure Mayor Doherty will be in consultation

15 with his Attorney Dick Goldberg. I see him on

16 occasion, and I'm sure Mr. Goldberg will make the city

17 aware that there is now court cases that say you have

18 to based on the safety of the firefighters, the safety

19 of the citizens, conduct such a study because, again,

20 that case was just settled in the City of Philadelphia

21 and it generally becomes present.

22 MS. EVANS: Is it reckless to think

23 that a mayor, any mayor, with no qualification in fire

24 science, no background in public safety, could make

25 single handedly such a decision that would decrease
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1 manpower, close fire stations, et cetera, thereby

2 negatively impacting the welfare of the people of the

3 city?

4 MR. OSBORNE: Well, again, as my

5 position as a Deputy Chief, I think I would rather not

6 comment on that. I mean, the mayor -- I work for the

7 mayor and everything, but like I said, I think

8 factually the court's or an arbitrator will rule on

9 that.

10 And, again, we did it in 1992 or 1993

11 at the request of the Pennsylvania Economy League, who

12 is still the plan coordinator, so you would think the

13 Economy League as they did then, you think and you hope

14 will see fit to have the study conducted again to

15 eliminate all the turf stuff, and a that stuff going on

16 and to have a good study by experts in the field to

17 come in because it really and truly that's a big

18 decision, that's beyond -- I would like to think I'm

19 pretty good with the City of Scranton Fire Department,

20 but that's beyond anything that I would possibly with a

21 degree in fire science want to do single handedly.

22 MR. COURTRIGHT: Mrs. Evans, that's

23 what I want to say. Mr. Osborne, I know how qualified

24 you are, but you wouldn't be comfortable with even just

25 you making that decision?
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1 I don't think anyone, no offense, you

2 just don't think any one individual can make those

3 drastic changes that possibly will be made, and you

4 think we need to take a look at it.

5 I don't know if it's been studied to

6 death, but if we're going to possibly do something

7 that's going to affect the safety of the citizens and

8 the firefighters, I think we need to take a good hard

9 look before we make any changes there and make sure

10 we're doing the right thing for all concerned.

11 MR. OSBORNE: And, again, Billy, like I

12 said, the gentleman's name is Lloyd Metzer, he's from

13 the Pennsylvania Economy League, he's the guy that

14 charged the committee. We agreed with that, we agreed,

15 like, the Economy League guy be the guy that chaired

16 the committee. The mayor had appointees. You as the

17 union president had appointees and we, we did that type

18 of thing. Everybody left their agendas at the door so

19 to speak and tried to just work for the betterment of

20 the community, what our department, what the city

21 should look like 5-10 years in the future. Hopefully

22 that will be the same process:

23 MS. EVANS: And this will not

24 violate a recovery plan then, a study, because

25 apparently the recovery plan dictates--
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1 MR. OSBORNE: I believe this one

2 says no study. What I was speaking about is the

3 language in the recovery plan that I was the union

4 president for specifically put in by the Pennsylvania

5 Economy League mandated that this committee be formed

6 and that this study -- and in fact what it is was it

7 was a New York City Fire Chief by the name of John

8 O'Rouke, who works all over the country doing this

9 stuff.

10 He came in and conducted a study.

11 Again the study later on was set aside for various

12 reasons on both sides, but there are people out there

13 who do that and that are experts in their field, and,

14 again, I think if nothing else, to facilitate the

15 process, I think they are good at what they do.

16 MS. EVANS: My concern is just that

17 apparently according to the recovery plan, the mayor is

18 looking for $5,000,000 to eliminate from an operating

19 budget there by halting annual deficit, and it also

20 appears that public safety has been earmarked for those

21 purposes, and, again, he's relying on the recovery plan

22 as his justification for so doing.

23 So, that's why my concern was will this

24 study ever really occur, since it seems to be almost in

25 contradiction to the recovery plan.
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1 MR. OSBORNE: Well, again, I stand here

2 in no official capacity, not as a deputy chief, I stand

3 here as a firefighter and a citizen of Scranton and say

4 I hope so.

5 MR. DIBILEO: Thank you, Mr. Osborne.

6 And would you have any -- do you see any drawbacks to

7 an anti-nepotism policy in the city?

8 MR. OSBORNE: Anti-nepotism? No, I

9 think anti-nepotism would be fine.

10 MR. DIBILEO: Thank you. Stan

11 Narsavage.

12 MR. NARSAVAGE: Good evening, City

13 Council. My name is Stan Narsavage, I'm a Scranton

14 resident. I'm back here on a -- two or three times or

15 twice now. It concerns a letter that my granddaughter

16 received from Chris Doherty, Jr. It evidently is in

17 conjunction with Chris Doherty, Sr. I have questions

18 about this, because this is bothering our whole family.

19 I went to the School District

20 Administration Building this morning to see Mr.

21 Sheridan, he was not in. His secretary suggested that

22 you see Mr. King, he's the assistant to Mr. Sheridan.

23 Mr. King also was not in, but his secretary listened to

24 my complaint.

25 I left my name and number to be called,
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1 however, I didn't receive any calls. My complaint is

2 this letter, not the letter, my complaint is how they

3 got the name and addresses of the people that they sent

4 the letter to.

5 Our granddaughter graduated from West

6 Side High School in 2001. I have some questions that I

7 would like to ask, I guess, the team of Jr. and Sr.

8 Our granddaughter received a campaign

9 letter in the mail from Chris Doherty Jr. The

10 questions I would like to ask is, how is Junior able to

11 obtain a list of graduates from West Scranton High

12 School? How many people have access to the list they

13 compiled? Is this a gross violation of my grand

14 daughter's civil rights? Who are the people

15 responsible for supplying this list? Can anyone go to

16 West Scranton High School and get a list of graduates

17 and addresses? Can you walk up to the front door and

18 go in the office and ask for a list of graduates and

19 addresses?

20 MR. DIBILEO: Do I know the answer to

21 that question? Since you work in the school, Mrs.

22 Evans, Mr. McTiernan?

23 MR. MCTIERNAN: No.

24 MS. EVANS: I would think not. I

25 mean, it's never happened, so I haven't had occasion to
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1 deal with it, but I would expect not. I can't give

2 that information.

3 MR. NARSAVAGE: Mr. DiBileo, may I ask

4 Mrs. Evans a question?

5 MR. DIBILEO: Certainly.

6 MR. NARSAVAGE: Do you know if there's

7 a privacy law that covers that?

8 MS. EVANS: No, I don't.

9 MR. DIBILEO: Mrs. Williams, if you

10 don't mind keeping the noise down. Thank you.

11 MR. NARSAVAGE: Come on, Mrs. Williams.

12 MR. DIBILEO: Stan, please, just

13 address us, Mr. Narsavage.

14 MR. NARSAVAGE: Can anyone go to West

15 Scranton High School and get a list of addresses? I

16 ask, If this list is distributed, if this list was

17 distributed, what possible harm could become to my

18 granddaughter? Who has this list and who are the

19 people they gave it to? If they did, how many copies

20 were made of this list and what is the law protecting

21 our young children in school?

22 Our family is upset about this. I'd

23 like to get some answers on this. This is my third

24 attempt. And little by little we are putting pieces

25 together from doing the --
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1 MR. DIBILEO: Mr. Narsavage, you're not

2 alone in your concerns over that situation.

3 MR. NARSAVAGE: You certainly hope I'm

4 not. Excuse me. Go ahead. I'm sorry.

5 MR. DIBILEO: I know of a person who

6 spoke to the superintendent, and the superintendent is

7 mistified by the situation, he has no idea how that

8 information would have gotten out of the school

9 district. Somehow it got funneled out.

10 We never read about the situation,

11 maybe it depends on which candidate tries that tactic,

12 but I don't know. I think that it's a privacy law that

13 you cannot release personal information on names and

14 addresses of graduates, but he did not know where that

15 information came from.

16 MR. NARSAVAGE: The superintendent did

17 not know?

18 MR. DIBILEO: He did not know.

19 I did not speak to him, but this is what I'm told.

20 MR. NARSAVAGE: Well, there's bits and

21 information coming out that have to be verified and

22 proved naturally, but there is information out there

23 and I hope that I can get it. And it doesn't matter if

24 the election is over or not, I'm not going to give up

25 until I find out.
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1 MR. DIBILEO: Good for you.

2 MR. NARSAVAGE: And I would like to add

3 that probably one of the most interesting things at the

4 debate at the Scranton High School that took place

5 between the mayoral candidates was when Chris Doherty

6 stands before a group of people and spreads out his

7 palms and says, I'm running on my record, whoever the

8 P.R. man is that came up with that for Chris Doherty I

9 think should be fired. This is all I have to know not

10 to vote for this man if he's running on his record,

11 it's plain and clear in my mind.

12 MR. DIBILEO: Jim Stucker.

13 MR. STUCKER: My name is Jim.

14 Stucker. I was talking to my staff today or Tom, his

15 name is Tom, and he told me he had told people over the

16 street and he said he is going to have to sue the city

17 if they don't fix the street.

18 MR. COURTRIGHT: Jim, I asked twice.

19 Mr. Saunders sent letters out, I asked twice. I know

20 the gentleman you're talking about, I asked twice for

21 somebody to go down there and take a look at it. I

22 went down myself. I don't know what the holdup is, why

23 no one is going down there.

24 We did request twice for somebody to go

25 there and take a look at it. It's a problem, and I
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1 don't want to say the gentleman's name on the air, but

2 it's on West Locust Street, and I'll ask a third time.

3 MR. STUCKER: Well, he went down there

4 today, and when he did, everybody on the block looked

5 at the hole, looked at the street, the guy told me

6 about it today or yesterday, Tom told me about it, he

7 said, in My book, I wouldn't fix it for you.

8 He said he's going to sue the city if

9 they don't get somebody out there so they break the

10 pipe. That's their problem they said. So, to me, I

11 don't care.

12 MR. DIBILEO: Okay. So, we're going to

13 get right on top of that, Mr. Saunders, please, for

14 Jim.

15 MR. STUCKER: And I got to find a

16 place, but in two weeks. Frank, my caseworker, they

17 barred me out of the building. Fred told me I got to

18 move this month.

19 MR. DIBILEO: Jim, after the meeting

20 stick around because that's not regarding city

21 business, and we'll see what we can do there for you,

22 okay?

23 MR. STUCKER: They're giving me a lot

24 of problems there.

25 MR. DIBILEO: Thank you. Appreciate
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1 it. Thank you.

2 MR. STUCKER: About that sign, did you

3 see about that sign again across from the church, next

4 to the church?

5 MR. DIBILEO: Nothing yet on the sign,

6 Jay? Follow up on it, okay? All right, Jim. Thank

7 you very much.

8 MR. STUCKER: I'll be at your party,

9 Mrs. Evans.

10 MS. EVANS: Oh, see you there.

11 MR. STUCKER: We'll be there.

12 MR. DIBILEO: Andy Sparaglia. I know

13 we have a large audience tonight, which is a good

14 thing, but I have to remind people that we can hear

15 your voices back there, and I think the speakers can,

16 too, and we have to try to refrain from speaking,

17 please. Even upstairs, also, I can hear it very well.

18 Appreciate your consideration.

19 MR. SBARAGLIA: Andy Sbaraglia, citizen

20 of Scranton. Fellow Scrantonians, now when I speak to

21 you, I don't know any of you personally, you know, I

22 only know you as Council, but that's it, and none of

23 you know me either, so what I say is completely neutral

24 because I have nothing to gain, I'm not looking for

25 nothing, and I'm not going to get nothing, but I
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1 received two letters that I wasn't happy to receive,

2 one was from our North Scranton Association telling me

3 that of course they support the mayor. Well, of course

4 they got the Providence Project. Maybe I can see why

5 they would do that now.

6 I got a letter from the county with a

7 bunch of prestigious names on it telling me they

8 support the mayor and there is no other democrat

9 running, but I happen to realize we have a lot of

10 democrats running, in fact, they're democrats running

11 no matter where.

12 But let me look at some of the projects

13 that went on that we keep hearing about that nobody

14 actually brings them up in detail. Let's start off

15 with the Casey Laundry, that was one of the first

16 things done four years ago when the mayor took over.

17 The building was given away for a dollar. You know the

18 size of that building, the building was given a

19 $200,000 grant, okay, and then a $250,000 loan was

20 tacked on, so that took care of the Casey Laundromat.

21 Ufbergs, I never did find out what the

22 SRA paid for Ufbergs, so I could never give that

23 figure.

24 Now, the Hilton, we had a $10 million

25 grant, we gave them $1,500,000 for the old Casey site,
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1 which was quite a lot of money for a hole in the

2 ground. Now we lost $3,000,000 on that deal. So,

3 let's move on. Let's move on to the Casey Garage.

4 As you know, they took out a bond issue

5 $12,000,000. We also have a letter of credit for

6 another $12,000,000 tacked onto that.

7 Now, when Brenigan's moved in they

8 always talk about this Brenigan's, they got $160,000,

9 we got, I think, $100,000 grant, and the Parking

10 Authority gave them $69,000 in write-off's, for what, I

11 don't exactly know. I think they said bathrooms.

12 The Medallion Garage we got a

13 $4,000,000 grant there and another, I think,

14 approximately $8,000,000 bond issue was issued to

15 complete the Medallion Garage.

16 Now, across the street, Lackawanna

17 Avenue, okay, we have $10,000,000 grant going into

18 those buildings down there, and I believe you gave them

19 around $500,000 for architectural design, so forth and

20 so on.

21 Gentlemen, when you add them all up,

22 that comes to $51,619,000 that you poured into not even

23 one block of the city. You can't continue them

24 figures, no one can. You're destroying the whole

25 neighborhoods by pouring all the money into what is an
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1 empty fountain, actually, because there really hasn't

2 been anything out of that fountain yet.

3 And as far as the taxpayers go, we will

4 be dead before we get anything from that because most

5 of that stuff is KOZ'd and it will be ten years in the

6 future.

7 Now you're telling me, well, you're

8 going to get a little money if people come here come

9 there, believe me, that ain't coming to the taxpayers.

10 And you look at your debt, all this

11 money you poured into it you're still $4,000,000, maybe

12 even more in the hole and constantly be in the hole.

13 We sold everything we can sell except

14 our loans for the future, and even that you're debating

15 selling. What are you going to leave for anybody that

16 comes after you, Except used piles of debt and nothing

17 really to work with?

18 Even them loans, if the block grants

19 dry up and that money is transferred to go to Florida

20 and the Gulf states and Louisiana, you'll have nothing,

21 you won't be able to come up with a darn dime, and you

22 can't even borrow because you're already up the bond

23 rating is Triple B, by the way, not Triple A, the

24 Triple a was for the $72,000,000 loan where we took the

25 insurance out. Our rating now is Triple B.
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1 So, I don't know how much more money

2 you could borrow or how much money we could afford, and

3 you're thinking of raising taxes, even though you say

4 it's going to be out of towners, but it affects us, all

5 the people who work, the poor people that have two jobs

6 that work within the city is going to get hit hard.

7 Well, I guess my time is up, and I'm

8 not going to extend past it, but I wish you would look

9 into things.

10 MR. DIBILEO: Doug Miller.

11 MR. MILLER: Good evening, Council.

12 Doug Miller, Scranton. I have a few things tonight,

13 the first one is regarding some railroad tracks over on

14 Luzerne Street. It may be the end of Luzerne Street

15 and North Division Street, but they have been having a

16 problem over there for a while with -- they are not

17 giving any signs or some kind of signal to let drivers

18 know that a train is approaching, and my aunt was over

19 there last week and she had a train come out of nowhere

20 and almost hit her because there's no sign or signal to

21 keep drivers aware that a train is coming. So, I was

22 wondering if the city -- supposedly the city is looking

23 into it.

24 MR. POCIUS: I could speak for that.

25 We recently, within the last few weeks, had a PUC field
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1 conference over there. The City of Scranton was

2 represented basically by Rob Farrell, the city engineer

3 and I were there because we basically started this a

4 long time ago.

5 Also there was representatives of

6 PennDOT and also from the railroad authority, and what

7 we basically entered into is kind of confusing because

8 PUC law is not -- it's not -- it's different than

9 normal law, there's a lot of, like, what's called an

10 order, what's called a consent, what's called this,

11 what's called that, but basically there was a time

12 frame established for, number one, for the railroad and

13 everyone to come back with a plan to put in the, as you

14 would say lights, and also the gates.

15 And they move rather slowly with their

16 decision frames, but hopefully -- I'm going to say next

17 spring we should see some action over there and have a

18 permanent solution. It's just a slow process, it's not

19 something that just happens immediately, because the

20 city and PennDOT agreed to commit up to $10,000 in this

21 installation, which is approximated to be $100,000.

22 The railroad refund about $80,000, so

23 rest assured it's not something we let slip under the

24 cracks, we're -- and this is what -- we were able to

25 get at least the flashing lights on top of the signs in
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1 which is not normal installation, but at least it draws

2 attention.

3 I'm unhappy with the situation, but the

4 law is the law, and there's a process that allows for a

5 timely processing of all these things, so I hope that

6 answers your question. The city is on top of it.

7 MR. MILLER: Okay, thank you. You

8 know, it's so much nicer to be here in Scranton

9 tonight. I had the opportunity to observe a Throop

10 Council meeting last week, and I was shocked to see how

11 Councilman Barnick and Barone belittle, insult the

12 woman council members. I have never experienced

13 anything like that before.

14 I wouldn't know how to react if my mom

15 was sitting there being belittled by people like that.

16 Thehy should come to Scranton City Council and see how

17 members here respect women and others like Mrs. Evans.

18 I don't believe anyone on Council would ever scream and

19 yell and insult women or other Council members like Mr.

20 Barnick and Mr. Barone did last week in Throop.

21 I told Mr. Bolus, I never want to come

22 back here again. Mr. Baron started screaming at Mr.

23 Bolus because he was trying to donate a building to the

24 borough of Throop for free, and they were, you know,

25 and they were insulting him for trying to save the
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1 borough some money. I bet if somebody wanted to donate

2 something for this city for free, they would take it.

3 And in closing tonight, I know we have

4 a very important election for mayor in this city next

5 week, and I want everyone to get out and vote because

6 our futures are at stake. Thank you.

7 MR. DIBILEO: Thank you, Doug.

8 Ozzie Quinn.

9 MR. QUINN: Ozzie Quinn. Good evening.

10 We hear about on the air about Mayor Doherty's recovery

11 plan, and tonight I would like to speak a little bit

12 about his spending plan.

13 We're pretty much appalled with the

14 fact that Attorney Carl Greco received $770,000 in a

15 two year period. There's no doubt about it, Roseann

16 Novembrino did her job, she approved it, but to give

17 someone $770,000 of taxpayer money in two years is

18 really appalling to us.

19 MS. EVANS: Mr. Quinn, I might be

20 mistaken here, but I think it was longer than two

21 years, I think it might have been more like three and a

22 half years.

23 MR. QUINN: 2002 to 2004 in the paper.

24 MS. EVANS: Okay. Well, that would

25 include 2002, 2003, 2004, so that would give you three
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1 years rather than two, but I think what was also

2 notable in that particular article was the fact that

3 the -- under the previous administration, the attorney

4 who served in a similar capacity did not make close to

5 that sum of money in a 12-year time span.

6 MR. QUINN: That's correct I read that

7 yeah.

8 MS. EVANS: But maybe it's inflation.

9 MR. QUINN: It could be, it could be,

10 but anyway, that's a quick way to get in the Fortune

11 500 magazine, I think is working for the mayor.

12 The mayor spent over millions of

13 dollars in hiring employees, giving them raises,

14 outside consultants, lawyers, no-bid contracts to a his

15 cronies, he's looking to borrow an additional $4

16 million to balance the budget that will increase our

17 present debtness over the now $204 million, and the

18 highest ever in the history of Scranton as far as I

19 know.

20 The school district has a $131,000,000

21 debtness and their future plans will increase the debt

22 being more school taxes on top of the city and the

23 school district.

24 The bottom line is that the city

25 taxpayers will have to pay out the city and school
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1 district's debt. One cannot continue to borrow or

2 consolidate, refinance a debt. All taxpayers are going

3 to have to pay.

4 I watched the mayoral debate on Channel

5 61, and Mayor Doherty said that the tax base was a role

6 he says that it's impossible to count the number of

7 people that move out of the City of Scranton. He said

8 that a couple of times, okay, so I made a call to the

9 Pennsylvania State Census this week, and they inturn

10 told me that through their formula, okay, that this is

11 documented 2,495 people left the City of Scranton since

12 the 2000 census, that's about 500 persons a year

13 leaving the city.

14 This was documented by the US Census

15 distributed the housing unit method, a scientific

16 method calculated by births, deaths and internal

17 migration integrated with housing demolished building

18 permits and average size of household.

19 This is translated into the documented

20 fact that our tax base is eroded, and subsequently we

21 are going to have to pay higher taxes. We are going to

22 get nailed in the future, I don't care what anybody

23 says.

24 This letter I received from two women

25 who are Doherty supporters, and it's about Mr. DiBileo
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1 and it's more or less saying what Mayor Chris Doherty

2 can do, and it says if you elect Mr. DiBileo he will

3 raise our taxes, I thought that kind of amusing because

4 of the fact that there's no doubt that the taxes are

5 going to be raised and we're going to be increased so

6 much that more people are going to be leaving the City

7 of Scranton.

8 You know, Mr. Doherty four years ago

9 promised to reduce the wage tax and he never did

10 anything about it, and at the debate when he was asked

11 that, he didn't answer.

12 I want to ask you, Mr. DiBileo, the

13 wage tax, do you plan to reduce the wage tax if you're

14 elected mayor?

15 MR. DIBILEO: I absolutely would like

16 to lower the wage tax as a top priority. I believe

17 it's probably -- I think even The Scranton Times will

18 agree that that's our number one problem in the city

19 what's driving people to move to just outside of our

20 borders.

21 MR. QUINN: Yes. We believe that, too,

22 there's no doubt about it. There was an exodus a long

23 time and the wage tax and the property tax when the

24 increases come, we're going to see more people going

25 out.
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1 I just want to point out something. I

2 went downtown this week with my wife about 6:30, we

3 were there to a movie until about 9:30, and this is the

4 end of my thoughts, okay, you can shoot an elephant gun

5 off in the city downtown and you wouldn't hit nobody,

6 okay?

7 We went to the movie, it's a very nice

8 movie theatre down here at the movie house, okay, we

9 went to a movie theatre that sat 132 people, and when

10 the movie started and the movie ended there was only

11 two patrons in that movie, me and my wife, okay, two

12 people.

13 I come out of the movie, and again you

14 could have shot an elephant gun off and you would have

15 never hit anybody. I don't know what the mayor is

16 trying to say that the downtown is vibrant with

17 restaurants and all kinds of shops and everything. I

18 think somebody is drinking the Kool Aid, as they say.

19 Okay. I appreciate it very much. Thank you.

20 MR. DIBILEO: Ann Marie Stanford.

21 MS. STANFORD: Good evening, members of

22 Council. My name is Ann Marie Stanford, and I live at

23 725 North Irving Avenue in Scranton. I was raised in

24 this city and I have lived here for the last 30 years,

25 worked here for the last 30 years and have been a
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1 property owner for 24 years. I did live in other

2 places, such as Colorado, and like so many

3 Scrantonians, I left here in my 20s and returned here

4 to raise a family.

5 After living out West and then coming

6 home again, I acquired a greater appreciation for my

7 hometown, which I sometimes jokingly call Beaver

8 Cleaver Land.

9 We have neighborhoods and a quality of

10 life here that the rest of the country gave up on years

11 ago and wishes they had back. I've been convinced for

12 the last 20 years that the renaissance of Scranton was

13 just around the corner.

14 There were just so many things to

15 appreciate about Scranton. Unfortunately the

16 renaissance took a bit longer than I predicted, but now

17 in just a few years, things are really turning around.

18 I'll tell you what things I've observed

19 that bare this out. I work at the University of

20 Scranton, it used to be that as soon as a new professor

21 was hired at the University, immediately they would

22 take up residence in the Abingtons or anywhere but the

23 Hill Section or any other part of the city as if it was

24 unthinkable to live in the city.

25 In the last few years, I've seen a
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1 great number of our new faculty buy homes in the city,

2 and they are amazed at the value and the wonderful

3 quality of life the neighborhoods, the parks beautiful,

4 architecture, the schools, the friendliness of the

5 people, all of the things that I knew for so long that

6 seems to be the hidden secrets of Scranton.

7 Another thing I've noticed is that new

8 businesses seem to be taking a chance on the city now.

9 People aren't as afraid to make an investment here and

10 new buildings and investments in existing property are

11 all over the place.

12 In my neighborhood alone people are

13 buying up old houses and making them into show pieces.

14 Young families with children are moving in and taking a

15 chance on the city, whereas ten years ago they would

16 have moved to Clark Summit or to Dunmore.

17 Last year during the presidential

18 election I housed some campaign workers from New York

19 State, these were well-educated people from New York

20 City, Syracuse, Ethica and other places. Many of them

21 had never been to Scranton and had previously had a

22 negative view of the city, mostly from that old

23 stereotype that still pushes from the national media

24 about our area.

25 These people were without exception
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1 impressed by the vibrancy and beauty of our city. Some

2 have returned to visit and are keeping up ties with

3 those of us that they met here.

4 And I think the word is spreading about

5 what a great place Scranton is, and I think a large

6 part of this revitalization is due to the hard work and

7 vision of Mayor Chris Doherty.

8 Change is very difficult, as I've

9 learned in my job where I've had to adjust to many

10 changes in administration over the last few years, it

11 takes patience and foresight to work toward long range

12 goals, something that hasn't been the hallmark of our

13 mayors in past years, however, I would rather see a

14 mayor I don't remember with a long range plan spending

15 money strategically towards those goals, as this mayor

16 has done, than have a politician who is business as

17 usual.

18 We had decades in the city where

19 opportunities were missed, money was spread thin to

20 keep everyone happy, and yes taxes weren't raised, but

21 things went downhill. We need to recognize the

22 leadership and stick with it. If it works, don't fix

23 it. Thank you.

24 MR. DIBILEO: Thank you, Ms. Stanford.

25 Phyllis, I know. I have to remind you --
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1 MS. HUMPHREY: Excuse me. I know what

2 you're going to say and --

3 MR. DIBILEO: Let me say it first.

4 MS. HUMPHREY: Excuse me, Mr. DiBileo,

5 say it first, but make sure they don't cut the thing

6 off like they've been doing on me, because people are

7 watching and they said that's even cutting off my

8 voice.

9 MR. DIBILEO: Make sure that there are

10 no prayers, please. We appreciate you being here and

11 try to stick to city business. Thank you.

12 MS. HUMPHREY: May the peace of Lord

13 Jesus Christ, Father, Son and Holy Spirit be with you.

14 There's a sign that fell over by Mulberry Towers, that

15 gotta be repaired.

16 And I just went today to where um, to

17 the MRI center, and I'm sitting on this big rock, they

18 need to put a little bench there for the disabled

19 people, because I want you to know I am challenged, I

20 am a challenged person, but I'm not as challenged,

21 mentally challenged as people think.

22 MR. DIBILEO: Excuse me, Phyllis. I

23 have to address the audience. Please, if everyone

24 would keep their voices down while there's a speaker at

25 the podium. Thank you very much. Go right ahead.
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1 MS. HUMPHREY: Over the weeks I've been

2 here I look very much into a person's heart and most of

3 their actions, and the first week I was here I was very

4 frustrated and hurt because someone harassed me and a

5 lot of things happened that was sequestered in this

6 area, and I gave you documents to be exposed to the

7 City of Scranton which might be personal to you, but I

8 have to, but this has to do with the town of Eynon to

9 the City of Scranton to New York City to the United

10 Nations. I want this to be a better town and I love my

11 country.

12 When I spoke to you, you had told --

13 Mrs. Evans was very kind and said we will talk to you

14 after everything was over. Mrs. Evans was kind, she

15 gave me a few minutes, but her husband came to me and

16 says to me, you know what you need, you need -- and I

17 said, Well, I don't think I need any lawyers, because I

18 think 97 percent are going to hell and the other

19 percentage became priests.

20 He says, You need an exorcism. I want

21 to tell you, I exorcise. That's one of the gifts God

22 has given me. So, the second week went by --

23 MR. DIBILEO: Phyllis, can you stay to

24 city business now?

25 MS. HUMPHREY: It is city business.
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1 It's about City Council. It's about City Council. The

2 second week I came again it was, I will, we will meet

3 afterwards, which the first week everybody scattered.

4 I respect Mr. Pocius, God bless him, he's a holy man,

5 he went to celebrate with his wife, I love him, right?

6 MR. POCIUS: Uh-uh.

7 MS. HUMPHREY: Mr. DiBileo, the honest

8 to God's truth, I really don't know that much about

9 you, other then I have insurance and then I dropped it,

10 I was still getting bills. If I owe you money, check

11 will be in the mail.

12 MR. DIBILEO: All right.

13 MS. HUMPHREY: The other thing that I

14 want to say is so everything was like being taken some

15 people told me that when I got up to the podium the

16 microphones were being shut off, well, you know, I

17 cannot hide anything.

18 The Scranton Times on numerous

19 occasions I have called them to come to my home to

20 bring a message to everyone, and they never came.

21 Numerous people attack me. I had a lot of crime put

22 against me.

23 The test was sometimes unbearable, but

24 I pray for everybody, because at this point we got to

25 pray for everybody. I wouldn't shun the Catholic
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1 religion to the Muslim religion. To come back to my

2 faith, I represent all faiths.

3 So, to tell me, Mr. DiBileo, not to

4 pray, I don't know how to tell ya, I pray underneath my

5 breath every moment, every second, every hour for our

6 city, for our town, for our country.

7 Because my mother inbreeded me to love

8 God above all things and love our neighbor as

9 ourselves. And if we don't have that put together as

10 people in the United States of America and councilman

11 or if you're going to be a mayor or whatever you're

12 going to be, if you don't set yourself on those

13 commandments, then you're going to put your hand on

14 that book that you got to really think about the

15 person.

16 If you tell someone I'll see you

17 afterwards, but never see you -- I told you I have a

18 child that we don't know where it is, well, a month --

19 three weeks ago --

20 MR. DIBILEO: I am going to have to ask

21 you if you can stay after the meeting again and I'd be

22 happy to --

23 MS. HUMPHREY: No, I'm not staying

24 after the meeting. My time is too valuable. I'd be

25 meeting with people at the United Nations, I'm gonna be
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1 meeting with the Russian Orthodox Church. My time is

2 as valuable as yours. I might be poor, but at the rich

3 and greatness of God.

4 MR. DIBILEO: Let's get together after

5 the meeting or tomorrow.

6 MS. HUMPHREY: If you say after the

7 meeting and you don't show up and what I've told you it

8 would have been so nice if somebody showed up at my

9 door in concern.

10 The person that I want to lead my

11 country, my town, and my city, I want him to give me

12 the time, not to cut me short. And if he says he's

13 going to meet me after the meeting, he will meet me

14 after the meeting. So, you got this?

15 MR. DIBILEO: I will meet you after the

16 meeting.

17 MS. HUMPHREY: I'm not going to say who

18 I'm voting for, but I'll tell you one thing, somebody

19 is getting fired. God bless you. Before I got a

20 letter from the president --

21 MR. DIBILEO: Thank you. Bill.

22 Jackowitz.

23 MR. JACKOWITZ: Bill Jackowitz, city

24 resident, taxpayer, registered independent voter, proud

25 military retiree. By Christopher J. Kelly, The Sunday
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1 Times, February 27, 2005, I can't put it into words,

2 Marie Ferguson say that she waited on the corner at

3 Gibson Street and Jefferson Avenue for a sign of three

4 buses that left Fort Dix New Jersey.

5 Just after 8 a.m., Specialist Carl

6 Ferguson formally of Dickson City was on one of the

7 buses and his mother wanted to be there when the doors

8 opened. It's been a long year, she said. He's my only

9 child, so I've been -- so it's been hard, it's been

10 hard for everyone, but this was really hard.

11 At 11:42 the cries of sirens drew tears

12 from the 150 or so supporters gathered outside the

13 armory. An announcement was made inside and the

14 auditorium erupted with shouts and cheers of more than

15 500 people.

16 State Police met the buses at the New

17 Jersey border providing an escort to be joined by

18 Scranton Police and firefighters as the convoy rolled

19 into town. The route was lined by supporters waving

20 signs, signs that read Welcome Home and You Are Our

21 Heros.

22 The West Scranton High School Band

23 marched ahead of the buses' last block. Their

24 counterparts from Scranton High school were waiting at

25 the armory at the Gibson Street entrance.
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1 As the soldiers unloaded their luggage,

2 family and friends climbed bleachers and hundreds of

3 cameras went off as they opened the doors.

4 These are tears of joy, Mary Emily said

5 as she looked out for her son Specialist Greg Emily, 21

6 of West Scranton. It's like there's an empty place in

7 your heart today. My heart feels old.

8 The soldiers' entrance was greeted with

9 the kind of response usually reserved from rock stars.

10 The auditorium thundered with cheers as the company

11 assembled for the final act of this deployment.

12 At 12:14 the words somebody had waited

13 so long to hear finally came, Dismissed. Where was the

14 mayor of Scranton? Did he participate in the welcome

15 home ceremony?

16 Mayor Doherty said in his own words

17 that he was in Syracuse, New York watching a college

18 basketball game with his son. The mayor made the

19 choice that a basketball game was more important than

20 the soldiers safe return home.

21 You could say that the mayor of the

22 city is the commander and chief of his city, on

23 February 26, 2005, Mayor Doherty was the commander and

24 chief of the Syracuse basketball team.

25 Mayor Doherty, Syracuse had 17 home
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1 games, plus tournament games. Why did you choose this

2 game? I hope Syracuse had a parade for you.

3 The fact that Mayor Doherty did not

4 find it in his heart to welcome home my brothers and

5 sisters, I find disrespectful.

6 I hope the citizens of Scranton feel

7 the same way. The four or six veterans who protested

8 in front of Mr. DiBileo's headquarters, you chose the

9 wrong headquarters.

10 Speakers have criticized Mr. DiBileo

11 and his son about the bracelets. I would also like

12 those same speakers to criticize Mr. Doherty. He

13 disrespected American soldiers who just came back from

14 war.

15 The real people that wear uniforms

16 supported Pennsylvania heros. The State Police, the

17 Scranton Police, the Scranton Firefighters, the

18 Scranton, West Scranton High School Bands.

19 Mr. Doherty chose to support Syracuse

20 basketball players in uniform. Sometime in June 2006,

21 the 109th will be returning from the war. So far they

22 have five causalities. I would like both candidates to

23 announce on record what their plans will be for the

24 homecoming ceremony in June.

25 My father's name appears on the back of
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1 general -- and General Pulaski's monument. I'm proud

2 of that. He was also a veteran. My hope and belief is

3 that there will be two Veterans Days, Tuesday, November

4 the 8th, and Friday, November the 11th.

5 Actions speak much louder than words.

6 I hope -- I also hope that the non-veterans feel the

7 same way. Remember, the miliary will always be there

8 for you.

9 Mayors come and go. Remember the date,

10 26 February 2005. Mayor Doherty was very confident

11 that no one was going to run against him. Things have

12 changed.

13 I will respect the office of the mayor,

14 I will not, I am not required to respect the person

15 holding the office.

16 Mr. DiBileo, some of the greatest

17 generals and elected officials have changed their

18 minds, that's how we won a few wars. Don't be ashamed

19 to change your mind if it's for the people.

20 And, again, I would like to thank you

21 for allowing me to speak in front of you. My name is

22 Bill Jackowitz, Master Sergeant, Retired, United States

23 Air Force, and I am very, very, very proud of that, and

24 I am very disgusted the Commander and Chief, the Mayor

25 Doherty of Scranton chose to go watch Syracuse play
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1 basketball.

2 And, Mr. Pocius, it does not matter who

3 took those pictures, the pictures were taken. Do you

4 remember Oklahoma City? I do. Thank you again for

5 allowing me to speak.

6 MR. DIBILEO: Thank you, Mr.

7 Jackowitz, and thank you for serving our country.

8 Elizabeth Hubbard:

9 MS. HUBBARD: Good evening, Council.

10 Elizabeth Hubbard, 1507 Gardner Avenue in Scranton,

11 which is in Green Ridge. There were a couple of things

12 that I have tonight, first off, I would like to say on

13 a lighter note, I think if I was going to try to hide

14 the name on the side of my truck, my red truck, I would

15 have used red towels instead of bright blue, it would

16 have been a little less noticeable.

17 But anyway, I have a question about

18 that letter that was copied to Virginia McGregor,

19 Mrs. Evans, did you ever find out really why that copy

20 went to her? It wasn't just accidentally, or it was

21 accidentally?

22 MS. EVANS: Oh, I don't think it was

23 any accident. Now, Mr. Pocius has one explanation for

24 it.

25 MS. HUBBARD: But I wondered if you had
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1 gotten anything more on it.

2 MS. EVANS: Oh, no. I thought perhaps

3 The Scranton Times might have looked into it, but they

4 failed to, so I think we are all just left to assume

5 whatever the connection is, whether it's financial,

6 whether it's, you know, a hand in city government, no

7 one knows.

8 MS. HUBBARD: Now, another thing that

9 came up this week, I was speaking to an elderly friend

10 of mine about going out on Election Day to vote, and

11 she said, well, she didn't know because she had to go

12 up the Morgan Highway to vote at that Rock Church,

13 which is the third ward second district, and I said to

14 her, I think that I heard that voting place was

15 changed, but I said, Let me look into it and I'll get

16 back to you, so I called another friend and she said,

17 yeah, she thought it was going to be at Neil Armstrong

18 School.

19 So, I called down to the voter

20 registration office, and, yes, it is going to be Neil

21 Armstrong School, but they said they had sent letters

22 out, and someone else called them and they said, no,

23 that the only way they notified people was a little

24 article in the legals in the newspaper, which nobody

25 ever reads, and I find it very strange that the county
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1 would change a voting polling place and not notify the

2 voters in the district, a lot of whom are elderly

3 people that they now have to go to somewhere else.

4 I just wanted to say that maybe

5 somebody watching Channel 61 will now know they have to

6 go to Neil Armstrong.

7 I have another question, the property

8 at the corner of Green Ridge Street and Sanderson

9 Avenue, where that big house was torn down, I

10 understand the city tore that house down?

11 MS. EVANS: Apparently so.

12 MS. HUBBARD: Why would the city tear a

13 house down for a private developer? I mean, who would

14 I ask that question to? That, I must get an answer to.

15 My tax dollars are going to pay to tear down a property

16 that somebody is going to make a profit on developing?

17 I don't understand that at all.

18 MS. EVANS: No, I would agree with you.

19 MS. HUBBARD: I mean, if was a

20 condemned property and there were rats and homeless

21 people and everything hanging out and nobody owned it

22 or they couldn't find the owner or whatever, but to

23 tear it down for somebody that bought it, to develop it

24 into townhouses, I find is absolutely outrageous would

25 be the word.
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1 And another thing, I understand from a

2 friend that last Thursday night they were doing paving

3 up on East Mountain at, like, midnight.

4 MS. EVANS: Yes.

5 MS. HUBBARD: Does the city --

6 MS. EVANS: I could comment on that.

7 As you might know, last Thursday we had a very late

8 council meeting, and I didn't arrive home until

9 slightly after 12, and I received a call at about 12:15

10 notifying me that as we spoke East Mountain Road was

11 being paved, and as the days wore on throughout the

12 week, I received other calls about marking the roads in

13 the pouring ran and et cetera, and it is an unusual

14 situation to say the least, but on the other hand, I

15 think they're trying to meet a deadline before Election

16 Day or it might have been today.

17 I think someone said something might

18 have occurred today, but the rush was on. It's a

19 wonderful project, I'm very, very pleased that it's

20 finished, but we might want to look into the overtime

21 for that.

22 And the other concern I have is this,

23 for all of the hundreds, no, I think it's thousands now

24 of people who've contacted me in the two years in which

25 I've been seated on City Council to have their street
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1 paved or their court paved or their alley paved and

2 they're still waiting, and some of them are waiting

3 20 years, some of them waiting two years, and asking, I

4 just hope that their situations are addressed in such a

5 timely fashion, because that's only fair.

6 MS. HUBBARD: Well, when you come over

7 the Albright Avenue Bridge and go to your left to go up

8 Albright Avenue, that section in there between Nay Aug

9 Avenue and the bridge is absolutely atrocious.

10 MS. EVANS: Yes, it is.

11 MS. HUBBARD: It can ruin your car.

12 Now, I'm sure they might be holding off because of the

13 flood project, but I don't know if anybody has any idea

14 when they're going to get that going or finished or

15 started. So, I mean, maybe you guys can do something

16 about getting at least some of the holes filled.

17 MR. DIBILEO: Thank you, Ms.

18 Hubbard. We will.

19 MR. POCIUS: Mrs. Hubbard, could I

20 respond to one of your questions?

21 MS. HUBBARD: Sure.

22 MR. POCIUS: To give you another

23 insight into it, nighttime paving is a very common

24 practice anymore. Most of your projects, especially as

25 they reach deadlines, such as this one, because of the
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1 temperature concerns, because of colder conditions as

2 we get into this late time of the season, plus also the

3 availability of materials. You're up against the

4 closing of the plants because of the restrictions put

5 on them by PennDOT inspectors and so on and so forth,

6 I, too, was caught up in a little bit of a traffic jam

7 last Saturday, I was going up to East Mountain and I

8 took a short cut, which I thought, but I got behind the

9 paving program up there, so it's not unusual as

10 projects get near deadlines to pave at night.

11 They just recently paved the Morgan

12 Highway intersection at night, they did the milling and

13 the paving at night. So, it's not --

14 MS. HUBBARD: Is that State or City,

15 the Morgan Highway?

16 MR. POCIUS: Well, right now -- right

17 now as it sits, the East Mountain Road is under the

18 jurisdiction of PennDOT in the contract and that will

19 not be turned back over to the city until it's excepted

20 as a final project. So, PennDOT has the jurisdiction,

21 because we use the PennDOT ten or 12-year plan to bid

22 that project through the help of Congressman Kanjorski.

23 MS. HUBBARD: Who is paving, I

24 understand it's the city?

25 MR. POCIUS: No, no, no, no. That was
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1 Leeward Construction. The City of Scranton did not do

2 any work up there, that was all basically done by

3 contract. Leeward Construction was the number one

4 bidder, the lowest bidder on the project.

5 MS. HUBBARD: On East Mountain?

6 MR. POCIUS: Correct.

7 MS. HUBBARD: Okay.

8 MR. DIBILEO: Thank you, Mr. Pocius.

9 Jean Suwetta.

10 MS. SUWETTA: How are you? I am Jean

11 Suwetta, Scranton resident, 1549 Gardner Avenue. How

12 is everybody tonight? I enjoyed coming down Mulberry

13 Street, our maintenance guys did a wonderful job with

14 the Christmas lights up, but why are they turned on

15 since two weeks before Halloween?

16 The Christmas lights are all on two

17 weeks before Halloween. I heard of rushing the season,

18 but wait a minute.

19 Go down Mulberry Street, all the lights

20 are on. They've been on for the last three weeks, all

21 these little green red poinsettias. They are lit up

22 down there.

23 MR. DIBILEO: When do they normally go

24 up, does anyone know?

25 MR. SUWETTA: They usually go up in
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1 the warmer weather. The maintenance guys, you know,

2 they jump on it, but not to turn them on. I mean, the

3 tower ain't even lit at The Times building, but

4 Scranton got Christmas lights. Who is paying for it?

5 MS. EVANS: In October.

6 MR. SUWETTA: October the 9 the lights

7 were turned on.

8 MR. DIBILEO: I'm sorry.

9 MR. SUWETTA: Shut up.

10 MR. DIBILEO: Thank you very much.

11 MR. SUWETTA: I'm talking. Shut up.

12 But really, the lights have been on since October the

13 9. Isn't that rushing the season? And who is paying

14 the bill? Mr. Courtright, DiBileo, Janet, McTiernan,

15 Pocius, me, who?

16 MS. EVANS: All of us.

17 MR. SUWETTA: Yeah. Why? Give me an

18 answer. First time I'm going here.

19 MR. COURTRIGHT: We don't know. They

20 were on when I left council last week. I'm not

21 disputing you, I just don't know why they were on.

22 MR. SUWETTA: They are on.

23 MR. COURTRIGHT: I believe you. I saw

24 them.

25 MR. SUWETTA: I wouldn't lie to you.
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1 MR. COURTRIGHT: I know.

2 MR. SUWETTA: That's all.

3 MR. DIBILEO: Thank you.

4 MR. SUWETTA: Just find out.

5 MR. DIBILEO: Les Spindler. Oh, I'm

6 sorry. Okay.

7 MS. LASKE: I'm not Les Spindler, he

8 let me go before him because I have the baby with me,

9 so I probably wouldn't get out of here until midnight

10 or one o'clock if I had to wait for everybody, so I

11 really appreciate it. Thank you very much.

12 My name is Judy Laske, I'm a resident

13 of Scranton, I own a home in Scranton. I just came

14 down because the last two weeks I've been trying to

15 catch up on the meetings, and I'm not going to mention

16 the person's name, because I don't want to get gaveled,

17 but they came up and they called you vicious and all

18 these other rotten names, and if they knew who you

19 really were, they wouldn't call you that.

20 I don't know if it's, you know, the

21 mayor putting them up to it or whatever, to me, it

22 seems like if they are, I don't know, but if anybody

23 knew who you were, this is just how I feel about Gary

24 and about everyone up there.

25 I like everybody up there. I have
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1 nothing bad to say about any of you. My dad died back

2 in May, and he died about five days before the election

3 in May, and let me tell you about these people up here,

4 Janet came to my dad's viewing, she stayed with me for

5 a good half hour, took time out of her time, wasn't

6 there saying, Hi, I'm Janet Evans, I'm running for City

7 Council, she was there for me. I consider you a very

8 good friend, Janet, I really do. I love you, you're

9 wonderful, and if anybody has anything to say about

10 you, anything bad, come see me, because I'll knock them

11 out.

12 And as far as Gary goes, Gary came to

13 my dad's viewing, also. He came the day of my dad's

14 funeral. Gary wasn't there saying, Hi, I'm Gary

15 DiBileo, I'm running for mayor of Scranton, he was

16 there to comfort me and my children in my time of need.

17 I didn't see the mayor at my father's

18 viewing or funeral, he knows who I am, but you guys, I

19 want to make a point of that, because you guys took

20 time out of your busy schedule to show me how much you

21 care about somebody, and I really from the bottom of my

22 heart I want to tell you, thank you.

23 Another thing I want to talk about, me

24 and my husband had a discussion about our road. I've

25 been coming down here for over four years, because when
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1 Kevin Murphy was on and he was the president, he

2 promised me that my road would be paved. The gas

3 company ripped up our road over the summer, we waited

4 and waited and waited for them to come up the road and

5 pave, we thought it would be shortly after that.

6 My husband said, Well, you know, they

7 know who you're going to vote for, so it probably

8 wouldn't get paved.

9 Well, I really didn't care, because we

10 have our home on the market right now, so I really

11 don't care because I'm going to be moving out of the

12 city hopefully soon, but after the election.

13 My husband said to me, they're not

14 going to pave it because they know who you're voting

15 for. Well, you want to talk about liars, calling

16 people liars, well, guess what, I'm one of them, and I

17 hope Doherty's people are listening to me, because when

18 they called me, I would say about three, four weeks ago

19 to look for my support, I lied. I said -- they asked

20 me if they could, you know, if I'm going to support Mr.

21 Doherty, and I said, Oh sure, I am, and they asked if

22 my husband was going to -- felt the same, I said,

23 Oh, believe me, we're all going to be out there to

24 vote. I've got my family, I've got my friends, I've

25 got everybody out there.
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1 But then they asked me if I would put a

2 sign up in my yard, well, that's where I drew the line,

3 because if I put a Doherty sign in my yard, I'll never

4 sell my house.

5 So, what happened was low and behold

6 the next day I had a knock on my door, my door bell is

7 ringing. Well, I was in my jammies, I just had a baby

8 five weeks ago, so I wasn't going to open the door for

9 anyone knocking on my door to move my vehicle, well,

10 here the next day, or it might -- I might be

11 exaggerating, it might have been two days after I got

12 his phone call from the Doherty campaign headquarters

13 or whatever, well, guess what, my road is paved, and so

14 now I can come down here and tell them I am not voting

15 for him because I don't feel he deserves my vote and

16 I'm the liar, so I don't care if they call me a liar or

17 not, I don't care, because I have nothing political to

18 gain, I'm not running for anything, but I'll make darn

19 sure that on November 8 every member of my family, my

20 son who has never voted before, I finally got him to

21 register back in March or April and to make sure all

22 his friends voted, so that next time I come down here

23 there's going to be a vacant seat up there, and it's

24 going to be Mr. DiBileo's vacant seat because Mr.

25 DiBileo is going to be our next mayor hopefully. So,
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1 thank you.

2 MR. DIBILEO: Thank you, Ms. Laske.

3 Thank you. Les Spindler, it's back to you. Les

4 Spindler.

5 MR. SPINDLER: Good evening,

6 Council. Les Spindler, Scranton. First thing I want

7 to say, Mr. Pocius, I think you owe Mr. DiBileo an

8 apology for accusing him of taking the pictures of that

9 truck. You were wrong.

10 MR. POCIUS: Did you take them?

11 MR. SPINDLER: Pardon me?

12 MR. POCIUS: Did you take the

13 pictures?

14 MR. SPINDLER: No, I didn't.

15 MR. POCIUS: Oh, okay.

16 MR. DIBILEO: An apology is not

17 necessary. Go right ahead, Mr. Spindler.

18 MR. SPINDLER: If he was a, man he

19 would apologize.

20 MR. DIBILEO: That's okay. John,

21 what did you say?

22 MR. POCIUS: Why doesn't he say it?

23 MR. DIBILEO: Please.

24 MR. SPINDLER: Last week a speaker

25 said you voted yes, Mr. DiBileo, and then later on you
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1 voted no, well, if the speaker got the facts right, you

2 voted yes to -- you voted no about changing council's

3 rules, right?

4 MR. DIBILEO: That was the motion.

5 MR. SPINDLER: So, whoever is writing

6 these speeches should get their facts right.

7 Last week in the debate Mayor Doherty

8 commented in his speech about all the buildings going

9 up in town, the Southern Union building is taking

10 longer than the Empire State Building to get done, and

11 it's empty now, and the parking garage has cracks in

12 the concrete, and I think they were in a hurry to get

13 that done so they could have it done for the election.

14 Bill Fiorini says it's okay. Well, what do we think

15 he's going to say? He's a Doherty supporter.

16 Another speaker came, said he's

17 representing the brick layers. Talking about CRF, says

18 no one sends him, interestingly enough, I found out his

19 son got a job with the Scranton Housing Authority. You

20 wonder who got him that job.

21 Clippings in the paper, yesterday's

22 paper, it says No Crime in the City. Yesterday's paper

23 a Scranton woman raped in South Side. Burglar hits

24 Park Gardens today. Now today there was a shooting in

25 front of West Scranton High School.
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1 Chris Doherty's commercial says, We

2 don't have crime. Don't take the bait. Well, you

3 better take the bait, because if Chris Doherty is

4 re-elected, we won't be able to leave our houses.

5 He'll cut more cops and fireman.

6 So, if your house isn't burglarized, it

7 will probably burn down. I have a teenage daughter who

8 we won't let walk the streets because of the crime in

9 the city. She says we are overprotective, but my wife

10 and I are, and I would rather be overprotective than

11 let her be a statistic in The Scranton Times like a lot

12 of other people.

13 Time for a change. The people thought

14 they were going to get a mayor who would stop the

15 arbitration awards and lower the taxes and at the same

16 time would open -- would be open and accessible. I

17 believe they got neither.

18 They never expected level of services

19 that they were used to diminish, never expected police

20 officers to disappear from their neighborhoods, they

21 never expected the potholes to increase, they never

22 expected snow, ice, leaves to remain until they need to

23 remove them, they never expected anti-skid material to

24 be replaced by ground glass.

25 Most importantly, they never expected
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1 that when you needed the mayor, he would be absent. It

2 took assaults on our children, drive-by shootings, gang

3 activity in our schools and the lost to crime or

4 blighted neighborhoods in order to finally entice Chris

5 Doherty out of the rose garden.

6 One wonders if it's really the election

7 that got his attention, and if he wins will he be seen

8 again. They fully expected as promised that their

9 taxes will go down every year, that never happened.

10 They are flabbergasted that their $3,000,000 surplus

11 has turned into a $204,000,000 debt for children and

12 grandchildren to deal with. Meanwhile Chris Doherty

13 takes credit for projects that everyone knows he had

14 little to do with, East Mountain Road, the East Market

15 Street Bridge, Providence Square and Weston Park.

16 So, what has Chris Doherty

17 accomplished? Scranton is still distressed, the taxes

18 are still too high, arbitration awards are through the

19 roof, the golf course and the South Side Complex are

20 gone, and some of our children can't afford to use our

21 public swimming pools, but Chris Doherty's friends and

22 political campaign contributors have made hundreds of

23 thousands of dollars of the taxpayers' money. Is this

24 really the road you want to continue on? I don't think

25 so.
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1 A few weeks ago, Mr. DiBileo, a speaker

2 said you would make a good mayor, just not now. Well,

3 I think he was half right, you would make a good mayor,

4 but now is the time, and I urge everybody on November 8

5 to restore my pride and vote for Gary DiBileo for

6 mayor.

7 MR. DIBILEO: Thank you, Mr. Spindler.

8 And I would ask any future speakers to not make those

9 type of endorsements, not that we don't appreciate

10 them, but it's not the place for them.

11 And one clarification, you mentioned

12 $3,000,000 deficit to 2004, that was an annual deficit

13 for that particular year, as compared to the

14 $204,000,000, which is the long-term debt including

15 interest. Thank you. Now Regina Yetkowskas.

16 MS. YETKOWSKAS: Regina Yetkowskas,

17 Scranton resident and taxpayer. Tuesday, November 8 is

18 Election Day. I ask everyone eligible to get out and

19 vote, vote for your choice, but vote.

20 November 8 is the one day when each and

21 every one of us becomes the political power in

22 Scranton. Just think back four years, all taxpayers,

23 city residents, neighborhood activists and just plain

24 law abiding citizens who have been completely ignored

25 by Mr. Doherty and his administration will have our one
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1 chance to vote and tell Mr. Doherty if he is to stay or

2 if he must go and become an ex-mayor.

3 The most important message I can give

4 everyone is when you are in the voting booth with the

5 curtain closed, you know your vote is secret. You and

6 only you are the only person who knows how you vote.

7 This election is not a race between two

8 candidates, rather it is a decision by the people on

9 whether Mr. Doherty performed his job as he promised,

10 and if he improved the likes of the people who elected

11 him.

12 Let me repeat, each person's vote will

13 decide if Mr. Doherty performed his job as he promised

14 and if he improved the lives of the people who elected

15 him.

16 As Election Day -- as Election Day

17 nears, I see and hear Mr. Doherty and his newspaper

18 tell the people that Scranton is better now than it was

19 four years ago.

20 The people should take notice that

21 neither Mr. Doherty nor his newspaper never ever said

22 the people are better off now than they were four years

23 ago. You know why? Simply because they are not.

24 The people's taxes are not less than

25 four years ago, the people's neighborhoods are not
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1 better than they were four years ago, each time Mr.

2 Doherty and his newspaper referred to the physical

3 appearance of Central City and the parks looking better

4 now than they did four years ago, it is additional

5 proof that they are not interested in the people to

6 this day. To them, buildings and grass are more

7 important.

8 Mr. Doherty was not concerned if people

9 could pay their taxes or if there were potholes in the

10 streets big enough for a car to sink in up to the axle

11 or if the neighborhood associations's received grants

12 to help the people in the area or how all the people

13 will pay for the $210,000.000 debt ran up in less than

14 four years.

15 It is sad but true when the facts show

16 by far most of the people who come to this podium are

17 the neglected ones of four years.

18 You don't see the political cronies and

19 friends of Mr. Doherty who receive millions of dollars

20 in money grants or tax abatements for ten years come to

21 this podium, they are the persons who are satisfied and

22 smiling because of what Mr. Doherty did for them.

23 But can you and I smile because of what

24 he did for us? After all, Mr. Doherty's most important

25 duty for four years was to improve the lives of the
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1 people who elected him. It is obvious that he did not,

2 because he took care of his contributors and political

3 cronies.

4 The average person is recognized only

5 when election comes. After that, we will all be left

6 out in the cold again. Do we want that to happen to us

7 for another four years? You all know what my answer

8 is.

9 Any taxpayer, including you and I, can

10 make Central City look better on the outside if we were

11 able, like Mr. Doherty, to take the millions of

12 borrowed dollars and spend them by way of grants and

13 loans, while at the same time create Scranton's largest

14 debt in its history.

15 Before anyone walks into the voting

16 booth, that person should ask himself or herself if he

17 or she personally is better off now than four years

18 ago.

19 The question is not is Scranton better

20 now than it was four years ago. I am not better off

21 than I was four years ago because of the debt Mr.

22 Doherty laid on the backs of all Scrantonians.

23 Any change in the mayor's office cannot

24 be worse than now, it can only be better than, so I

25 shall vote. Thank you.
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1 MR. DIBILEO: Thank you. Mary

2 Chioka.

3 MS. CHIOKA: Thank you for allowing me

4 to speak. Can everyone hear me? Fine. My thing that

5 I want to talk about is a personal thing, and I thought

6 it infringed upon my person and my property, and I have

7 decided to --

8 MR. DIBILEO: For the record, Mary,

9 just state your name.

10 MS. CHIOKA: Mary Chioka, I am a

11 senior citizen, a resident of Scranton, a third

12 generation resident. I live in North Scranton, and an

13 incident occurred in the week of October 23rd, it was a

14 very rainy Friday night, Saturday morning, and I had

15 two signs on my property, not on the street, not on the

16 sidewalk, they were on my personal property, and low

17 and behold the next day when I woke up, they were gone.

18 And when I talked with other people,

19 there was something going on, and I wrote a letter to

20 The Times, and they really edited everything out that I

21 said. I would just like to read this short letter to

22 you, if I may.

23 In the Case of the Missing Signs. They

24 said it was the sign of the times. Well, maybe that's

25 good, too. I am a senior citizen, a lifelong resident
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1 of the City of Scranton currently residing in North

2 Scranton. I have been very concerned and outraged by

3 the unlawful and sneaky behavior that has occurred in

4 our city during the weeks of October 16th and the early

5 part of October 23, 2005.

6 Political election signs that were

7 legally and rightfully displayed on the private

8 property of citizens have gone "missing" overnight.

9 Other areas of Scranton have also experienced the same

10 type of losses.

11 At the time I wrote this, as many as 80

12 signs were taken by someone or someone at last count.

13 I will call it what it is, stealing and intimidation.

14 Oh, yes, did you know they were all Gary DiBileo signs?

15 Now, who could have done that?

16 Surprised, living and being a citizen of the United

17 States of America entitles me and all other citizens of

18 the United States the right and freedom of speech and

19 the right to vote their conscience without fear of

20 retaliation or intimidation.

21 Many sacrifices that our military

22 forces and the prices they paid, both in war and peace,

23 paid for us as a sacred thing to be treasured. Please

24 don't tell me I'm wrong and they died in vein. Vote

25 your conscience, please. Thank you very much.
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1 MR. DIBILEO: Thank you, Mary. Cathy

2 Beck.

3 MS. BECK: Cathy Beck, East Mountain

4 resident. I'm also a proud homeowner. I've lived in

5 Scranton for over 20 years. I love my neighborhood, I

6 love my city, that's the reason I'm here to speak.

7 I don't feel you have to be silent, and

8 I'm up here at the podium to speak my peace of mind.

9 After listening to the mayoral debate, Mayor Doherty's

10 challenge of using the state police as a source of

11 population numbers, wondering when the state police

12 added an accounting department to count residents, I

13 decided to, as usual, conduct my own research on the

14 statement, as well the crime reports in general.

15 A review of the Pennsylvania Uniform

16 Crime Reports for 2003 and 2004 resulted in the

17 following, criminal homicide, three, an increase of one

18 from 2003; sex offenses, 167, remaining the same as

19 2003; robbery, 104, an increase of 12 from 2003;

20 assaults, 579, an increase of 40 from 2003; property

21 offenses, 3879, an increase of 134 from 2003; arson,

22 22, an increase of 12 from 2003; drug violations, 462,

23 an increase of 48 from 2003; alcohol crimes, 869, an

24 increase of 102 from 2003.

25 Total offenses in 2003, 5,736. Total
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1 offenses in 2004, 6,085, or an increase of 349

2 offenses. That equates to a 6.1 increase in the total

3 offenses reported.

4 Here is another interesting point, in

5 2004, Scranton's population was 74,896, was 35 percent

6 of Lackawanna County's population; however,

7 60.4 percent of the crime reported in Lackawanna County

8 occurred in the Scranton jurisdiction.

9 And just to satisfy my own curiosity

10 over the mayor's challenging of the state police

11 population figures, I called the help desk of the

12 department that compiles the information in Harrisburg.

13 The figures they use are provided by the FBI. That

14 telephone number, by the way, is 866-782-7711, if

15 anyone would like to call it.

16 Interestingly enough, the population

17 figure of 76,751 used by state police in 2003 was 2,431

18 people higher than the census bureau's 2003 estimate of

19 74,320.

20 I must direct that this information is

21 not being provided as a scare tactic, it is being

22 provided merely to address the truth. Since some

23 individuals deny the facts and ignore reality, even

24 though they warranted not to be swayed by

25 misinformation.
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1 I have a few copies of my researcher's

2 proof that the information I have provided is in fact

3 accurate and verifiable. I would like to leave them

4 with you at the end of my presentation, if that's all

5 right.

6 MR. DIBILEO: Sure.

7 MS. BECK: Next, a number of

8 iindividuals have come to this podium and chastised

9 this Council for being against economic development

10 because you did not vote in favor of the sale of loans

11 to CRF, I, too, would love to see all of our union

12 workers have work in this city close to their families.

13 I do, however, have serious concerns

14 regarding the sale. First, it has been stated by many

15 that you should not be concerned with the specific

16 projects for which the funds would be used, since you

17 would have to approve the use of the funds. This is

18 not true.

19 The Council seated at the time would

20 make that decision, if that should be a work or staff

21 council. There is no telling how quickly or for what

22 purpose that $5,000,000 could be blown through giving

23 this mayor's no-bid spending habits, this coupled with

24 the fact that the city could be faced with a loss of

25 three million dollars on future federal funding due to
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1 the Hilton foreclosure means that future development

2 could come to a screeching halt.

3 I would rather several years of planned

4 development and construction jobs, rather than one year

5 of frivolous spending.

6 Finally, after reviewing the article

7 that appeared in the October 23rd edition of The

8 Scranton Times that was referred to by Mr. Gervasi and

9 Mrs. Krake last week, I have the following serious

10 concerns and questions, Mayor Doherty is looking to cut

11 $2.4 million from the fire department through overtime

12 and other re-structuring, even if the $500,000 of

13 overtime that was budgeted in 2005 was eliminated

14 completely, which is not feasible, $1,000,900 would

15 remain to be cut through restructuring.

16 This, to me, indicates the loss of

17 sufficient number of firefighters which, in turn, would

18 mean the closing of one or more firehouses since all

19 existing locations cannot be manned adequately.

20 I've heard that East Mountain, Ash

21 Street, Main Avenue could be possible victims. I don't

22 believe any neighborhood should be placed in danger,

23 but living on East Mountain is naturally a big concern

24 for me, given the very limited access to parts of the

25 mountain.
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1 We have all heard that the first three

2 minutes of a fire are the most critical in terms of

3 saving lives. It would take a minimum of eight

4 minutes, at best, for a truck to get up to the upper

5 most part of the mountain from Pittston Avenue, Center

6 City or Ash street.

7 My question to Council this evening is,

8 Do you have any idea how the neighborhoods would be

9 affected by any restructuring, and can you with any

10 degree of certainty or confidence state that there will

11 be no closing of firehouses as a result of this

12 restructuring?

13 MR. COURTRIGHT: Mrs. Beck, I would

14 think if they cut that amount of firefighters, that

15 they would have no choice but to close down fire

16 stations.

17 I don't know how they could man them if

18 they cut that amount of firefighters. I would state

19 right now, as Mr. Osborne was up here before, any

20 restructuring, I think they should do a study, I don't

21 think there's any one individual, Mr. Osborne included,

22 that could determine what we need and what we don't

23 need. I really think they need to do a study if they

24 are going to do any restructuring.

25 MS. BECK: Thank you. I certainly
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1 hope that we will not experience any further loss of

2 services in the area of public safety. East Mountain

3 has already had its patrolman taken away and the dirt

4 bike that was donated for the purpose has disappeared.

5 Thank you for the opportunity to speak. I also have

6 folders for you.

7 MR. DIBILEO: Thank you. I'm looking

8 at the list here, and I see that I skipped over one of

9 the speakers, I apologize. Larry McAndrew, you're up

10 here at the top. Sorry about that. And then Joanne

11 Williams after that.

12 MR. MCANDREW: I thank you, Mr.

13 DiBileo, but I'm so interested in tonight's meeting

14 that I don't mind waiting a turn to speak. My name is

15 Larry McAndrew I'm a Scranton taxpayer, Scranton

16 resident.

17 A couple weeks ago I asked about a park

18 bench in the Providence Section of Scranton, being

19 there today I noticed that there was nothing done on

20 this bench. Have we received any kind of answer or any

21 investigation on this?

22 MR. DIBILEO: Jay, do you have any

23 information on that?

24 MR. SAUNDERS: We haven't heard

25 anything back on that yet.
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1 MR. MCANDREW: You know, a couple weeks

2 ago the City Council voted on the second phase of this

3 project, and I think the mayor is allowing $87,000 for

4 this second phase, but I think what we should do first

5 is maintain the improvements that we made, first take

6 care of what we've done.

7 I mean, I discussed this two or three

8 weeks and nothing has been done about it. Friday I

9 received a letter in the mail and it was encouraging me

10 to vote for Mr. Doherty, it was signed North Scranton

11 Neighbors, and on this list the first name I recognized

12 was Kevin Murphy. There was other businessmen and

13 business ladies' names that are well known in North

14 Scranton.

15 I came to this podium about a year ago

16 speaking about our city government, about the lack of

17 accountability that this administration has shown, the

18 audit from Rossi & Rossi has shown the debt that is so

19 unbelievable that the taxpayers and the future

20 generations have to burden with.

21 I don't see any alternative but a tax

22 increase. It really stumps me how these people can get

23 up and support this mayor, saying that what a great job

24 he has done for this city, what his record shows this

25 debtness.
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1 November 8th is coming up, the election

2 is so important here in Scranton, which way do we go?

3 I as a member of the Scranton Lackawanna County

4 Taxpayers and Citizens Group have made up my mind a

5 long time ago.

6 I encourage all our citizens that are

7 eligible to vote to get out and make your decision come

8 November 8th. This is a great country here. We the

9 people, according to the Constitution, have a right to

10 have a say here, and November 8th in that election

11 booth we make the decisions of where we're headed.

12 Again, I encourage everybody to get out

13 and vote and support your candidate November 8th. Like

14 I said, I know I made my decision a long time ago, and

15 definitely it's not going to be Chris Doherty. I thank

16 you.

17 MR. DIBILEO: Thank you. Joanne

18 Williams. And I'd like to remind all audience members

19 to please not make any noise while there's a speaker at

20 the podium. Thank you.

21 MS. WILLIAMS: Good evening,

22 Council. Joanne Williams, taxpayer and homeowner.

23 First before I get into my notes, a quick question,

24 maybe Mr. McTiernan, I don't know if you can answer

25 this for me, in the back of senior yearbooks, are there
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1 names and addresses and phone numbers?

2 MR. MCTIERNAN: I don't know that

3 answer.

4 MS. WILLIAMS: I heard, I don't know if

5 that's true, I have heard that though. So, that's a

6 possibility that maybe, I'm not sure, that could be

7 where they're at.

8 Second of all, Mr. DiBileo, this is

9 just a question for you, is it correct that when you

10 were on the school board you obtained a job for an aunt

11 of yours?

12 MR. DIBILEO: I what? I'm sorry.

13 MS. WILLIAMS: You obtained a job when

14 you were on the school board for a relative when you

15 were on the school board, your aunt was appointed.

16 MR. DIBILEO: My Aunt?

17 MS. WILLIAMS: An aunt or a relative.

18 MR. DIBILEO: Not that I'm aware of.

19 MS. WILLIAMS: Okay, that's what I'm

20 hearing.

21 MR. DIBILEO: No, I'll say no, because

22 I don't know of any relative that got hired with the

23 school district.

24 MS. WILLIAMS: Just asking a question,

25 Mr. DiBileo. Also another question, Have you received
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1 campaign contributions from some of the police, fire

2 and clerical unions?

3 MR. DIBILEO: I think that's private

4 information.

5 MS. WILLIAMS: Okay. Okay.

6 MR. DIBILEO: If you gave me money,

7 I wouldn't say so, Joanne.

8 MS. WILLIAMS: Excuse me?

9 MR. DIBILEO: If you had given me a

10 contribution, I wouldn't say so.

11 MS. WILLIAMS: I don't have money to

12 give contributions, Mr. DiBileo.

13 MR. DIBILEO: Okay. I'm just saying,

14 it's not --

15 MS. WILLIAMS: Well, and I'm answering

16 your question, okay? I come before City Council

17 tonight, as I have for several years, to ask my

18 neighbors and all the citizens of Scranton to support

19 positive growth and progress in the City of Scranton.

20 I've been at this podium long before TV

21 cameras entered Council chambers, and my message has

22 always been the same, Scranton needs a strong and

23 decisive mayor that is not afraid to make tough

24 decisions, that will move Scranton forward in a

25 positive direction.
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1 Mayor Doherty has not raised taxes

2 during his four years in office and has shown what

3 strong decisive leadership can accomplish. The level

4 of confidence within Scranton and in our business

5 community and the private sector has never been higher.

6 The trade unions' support and

7 endorsement of Mayor Doherty's leadership speaks

8 volumes about our city's growth. The people of

9 Scranton do not want to go back to prerecovery days

10 when a portion of police and fire unions allowed the

11 city tax dollars to be wasted on excessive Workers'

12 Compensation costs.

13 Who will ever forget the city worker

14 that was racing stock cars while the citizens of

15 Scranton's tax dollars paid his Workmen's Compensation

16 benefits?

17 Scranton must move forward with the

18 recovery plan that we as a city and overwhelmingly

19 voted for and supported by a 70 percent to 30 percent

20 margin in a recent election.

21 This election is about our future and

22 not about our past. On the eve of the election it is

23 clear that negative attacks against the mayor have

24 failed.

25 Mayor Doherty will not be intimidated
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1 by attacks against his family, his children, his

2 supporters or himself.

3 On the eve of the election it is

4 obvious that the negative campaign tactics to ask for a

5 vote against the mayor's simply because he is Irish has

6 failed.

7 MR. DIBILEO: Please, I have to ask

8 everyone to refrain from speaking or making any noise.

9 MS. WILLIAMS: I know, Mr. Courtright,

10 you can shake your head, but this is my opinion.

11 MR. DIBILEO: Go right ahead, Mrs.

12 Williams.

13 MS. WILLIAMS: Thank you, Mr. DiBileo.

14 Senior citizen and West Side resident Lori Sottile's

15 November 2nd letter to the editor confirming that

16 Mr. DiBileo had insulted her by expecting her to vote

17 simply because she was Italian is truly a sign of a

18 desperate candidate. I will need more time. I'm not

19 yelling at you, Jay, I need more time because of that.

20 Mr. DiBileo.

21 MR. DIBILEO: Yes, that's true.

22 MS. WILLIAMS: The truth is that

23 Scrantonians from both a democratic and republican

24 parties have supported Mayor Doherty, city and

25 statewide leaders, such as Mayor David Wenzel, Governor
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1 Bill Scranton, Congressman Joe McDade, Governor Ed

2 Rendell, Senator Bob Mellow, and Scranton's own Bob

3 Casey, Jr. support Mayor Chris Doherty and are asking

4 Scrantonians to reelect Mayor Doherty on November 8th.

5 And the reason is simple, because Mayor

6 Doherty is, number one, a proven leader that has not

7 raised city taxes, a mayor that has always supported

8 seniors, a mayor that has proven he can and will move

9 Scranton forward through job creation and economic

10 growth, and a mayor that has reinvested in our

11 neighborhoods by investing in our parks.

12 I leave the podium tonight with my head

13 held high strengthened by my knowledge that the insults

14 that have come my way have not brought me down.

15 I am also strengthened by my confidence

16 that on November 8th the people of this City of

17 Scranton will make the positive choice and reelect

18 Mayor Chris Doherty.

19 Please, everybody, remember to vote on

20 November 8th. Thank you and good night, Council, it's

21 been a pleasure.

22 MR. DIBILEO: Thank you, Mrs. Williams.

23 And you don't have to stay, but you mentioned two

24 things that I'm going to address when it's time for

25 Council members to speak, and one thing that I'll
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1 expound upon is the fact that I'm very, very proud to

2 be half Irish. I didn't realize there was this many

3 Irish people in the audience, but --

4 MR. DIBILEO: Thank you. Joe Maloney.

5 Joe Maloney.

6 MR. MALONEY: Good Evening, Council.

7 My name is Joe Maloney, I'm a resident taxpayer of the

8 City of Scranton, a long time watcher, first time

9 visitor.

10 And, you know, I appreciate that

11 Channel 61 has given me the opportunity to witness city

12 business. Sometimes I wonder what it is, but I guess

13 in May after the primary the line was drawn in the

14 sand. Some sad people have come here, you know, some

15 in the attack of Mr. Doherty, some in the attack of Mr.

16 DiBileo.

17 For the life of me, I really can't

18 understand it. A woman who comes here frequently and

19 attacks you, Mr. DiBileo, six years ago I saw her

20 riding on your float in the St. Patrick's Day Parade.

21 Today she's used detrimental things about you and your

22 family, and I just don't understand it, over a mayoral

23 race, why someone would do that.

24 And certainly I can't apologize for

25 her, but it is certainly an insult to the citizens of
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1 the City of Scranton who have to sit home and watch it,

2 and I find it sad.

3 Another thing I'd like to discuss is

4 the CRF loans, and for the life of me I really don't

5 understand people coming to this podium and they want

6 you to sell loans that the city is collecting --

7 they're collecting at a 100 percent of the value, they

8 want you to sell them from anywhere from $0.88 on a

9 dollar to $0.84 on the dollar.

10 They have no plan for the money, they

11 want the money to sit in the bank somewhere and

12 anywhere from 12 to 16 percent on the money, and it

13 makes no sense to me.

14 You know, I'm not a banker, I can't

15 come here like other bankers and tell you it make sense

16 to borrow money. My father always told me it made no

17 sense to borrow money if you dont have to.

18 People borrow money when they are in

19 need of money, they don't borrow money for fun, and if

20 they are borrowing money, it's because they can't pay

21 it back or they'll have trouble over the longrun paying

22 it back.

23 City debt, which is somewhere between

24 $120,000,000 and $204,000,000, or whatever the number

25 is, you know, we'd have to assume that we're -- that we
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1 will pay the full amount, the 204 or six or ten or

2 whatever the number is, because obviously the city has

3 the money to pay it back.

4 Now, these things to me are trouble.

5 They talk about the $275,000,000 worth of construction

6 is going on within the City of Scranton in the last

7 four years, you know, and I contend that 80 percent of

8 it is KOZ buildings that the city gets no immediate

9 benefit from.

10 You know, I lived in New York for 50

11 years of life prior to moving here ten years ago, and

12 30 miles south of me was Mowan, New Jersey, and they

13 built a Ford plant there around 1956 with a 25-year

14 non-taxable on the property, it was the largest car

15 plant in America.

16 When the plant was opened for 25 years,

17 they shut the doors and walked away. The city of

18 Mowan, New Jersey never collected one penny of tax, and

19 I'm afraid things like that will happen to Scranton.

20 Southern Union hasn't done one bit of

21 work on that building since they were bought up and the

22 headquarters are moving to Houston, Texas.

23 A man was here last week or two weeks

24 ago saying it's because they have trouble getting

25 stone, they have trouble, well, I find that hard to
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1 believe personally. You know, we talked about all the

2 paving that has been done in the city, and granted

3 there has been a lot of paving done, but at what

4 expense? How much money can we borrow to pave streets,

5 you know?

6 We've operated the city on borrowing.

7 I went to Nay Aug Park, I was never in the park before,

8 I was not a citizen, I wasn't born and raised here, I

9 lived here for ten years, I walked through the park and

10 went through the Davis Trail, I found it to be a

11 beautiful place, and the entire job was done on

12 one-time revenues.

13 How are we going to maintain it? The

14 City of Scranton couldn't maintain when they had a

15 100,000 people living here when people didn't have

16 swimming pools, people didn't have video games and

17 other things to do, when our city parks were a place

18 where people went.

19 You know, the town I lived in, I went

20 to my city park because you had no place else to go.

21 Now there's plenty of other places to go. What are we

22 using to maintain this park?

23 We've spent an awful lot of money in

24 the City of Scranton. You know, we talk about our

25 parks, we've sold one park, the most used park in the
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1 city, you know, and for what reason, to sink the money

2 into another park? I mean, it just doesn't make sense

3 to me.

4 You know, we've redone Weston Field,

5 and 95 percent of all the money spent in the city for

6 parks was spent on two parks, and 75 percent of that

7 money was spent on one park.

8 You know, it's good for the citizens,

9 if you can afford it, but I don't believe that we can

10 afford it.

11 You know, the pension composite board,

12 six members were added to it so that one person can

13 control the vote of it, you know, and now it's gone

14 before Council, and two Council members, in violation

15 of the law, are still voting in favor of keeping the

16 composite board as it is.

17 Why, so they can sell the assets again,

18 collect the one-time revenue so they collected

19 $7,000,000 revenue in two years, paid the $9.2 million

20 back, $2.2 million in interest on a $7 million loan is

21 just out of -- it's crazy.

22 I don't understand how people, you

23 know, my understanding of government is it's your job

24 to monitor business of the mayor's office, but it seems

25 like, you know, it's a rubber stamp kind of a deal.
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1 Everything he can veto because he has

2 two votes on the Council, because it doesn't seem like

3 they vote in the best interest of the city, as far as

4 I'm concerned.

5 So, I, like everyone else, I would

6 like everyone to go out and vote and vote who you think

7 will do the best job.

8 If you're happy with what has happened

9 over the last four years, if you're happy that the

10 promises made were kept, you can vote for the current

11 mayor, and if you're not, then you can make another

12 choice. Thank you.

13 MR. DIBILEO: Thank you, Mr. Maloney.

14 And just a comment on something that Mr. Maloney

15 mentioned, he mentioned $250 million in development,

16 that's one of the signs that we see often hung from

17 buildings downtown, but the developer of the Tripp Park

18 Village weeks ago told me that it's his understanding

19 that $150 million of the $250 million figure is his

20 Tripp Park Village Development, and he did not know

21 that until recently, so that's supposedly is, you know,

22 more than half of what that $250 million figure is, the

23 Tripp Park Village up in Tripp Park. Thank you. Lee

24 Morgan.

25 MR. MORGAN: Good evening, Council.
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1 MR. DIBILEO: Good evening.

2 MR. MORGAN: It looks like tonight is

3 going to be a long night. You know, I really

4 appreciate that, it just shows that everybody is

5 energized, and I probably assume that most of the

6 councilmen probably aren't very happy about having to

7 stay up until probably midnight, but that's the way it

8 goes when you run for elected office. And this is

9 democracy at its best.

10 The first thing I have is I'd like to

11 interject a comment that Mrs. Novembrino made in The

12 Scranton Times newspaper, and I think it speaks volumes

13 of the problems that the City of Scranton is

14 experiencing in regards to Carl Greco and legal fees

15 the city has paid.

16 You know, Mrs. Novembrino stated that

17 this has been going on for a very long time, and it

18 probably has, and we look at why the city is troubled

19 when we had Mr. Greco making over $700,000 in, I

20 assume, one year, and it's a very troubling thing, and

21 I'm just curious, why do we even have city solicitors

22 if they can't handle the case load of the city?

23 I think if we don't have the right

24 staff, we should do something about it. We should --

25 do you want to say something Ms. Evans?
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1 MS. EVANS: Well, Mr. Morgan, first

2 the over three-quarters of a million dollars was earned

3 over a three-year period, not one year, and secondly,

4 there are many more attorneys on the clock besides Mr.

5 Greco, he's one of, I can't even tell you frankly, how

6 many that are employed, but I was just thinking as you

7 were commenting, it kind of reminds me of that show Who

8 Wants to Be a Millionaire, it's like, you know, donate

9 to a campaign and win the jackpot, a million dollars,

10 who will be the first millionaire, the attorney, the

11 gardner or the investment banker, because the, you

12 know, the attorney -- well, obviously the attorney has

13 a contract, his latest, well, actually he had one

14 contract in 2002, and three of them in 2003, and the

15 latest one has no ceiling in terms of money and no time

16 limit attached, completely open ended, and then we have

17 the landscaper who put in the bushes and the fishpond,

18 and then we have the investment banker who can go out

19 and borrow millions and millions of dollars, hundreds

20 of millions of dollars to dig you into debt, but I'm

21 just wondering which fellow is going to reach the

22 million dollar mark first?

23 Maybe they have already, I don't know,

24 I don't have proof to say otherwise, but I will bet you

25 given enough more time into the future, we're going to
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1 have a lot of them who can say, I'm a millionaire.

2 MR. MORGAN: I agree. You know, the

3 other thing I have here, and I'm going to be very

4 brief, because I know everybody wants to get out of

5 here, but, you know, I question how someone can run to

6 be mayor of this city and spend the amount of money

7 that's being spent in this campaign for a job that's

8 only going to raise a salary of really -- it's a

9 pittens compared to what this gentleman is paying to

10 run.

11 And I really think what it does is it

12 steals the election from the people, and I don't know

13 if Council can draft a law that can say that you can

14 only spend so much money to run for mayor of the City

15 of Scranton, but I really think the amount of money

16 being spent here is obscene and there is absolutely no

17 need for it.

18 And I have a very serious problem when

19 a state senator, Mr. Mellow, or a member of Congress,

20 Mr. Kanjorski, tries to tell a citizen of this country

21 how to vote, because the right to vote is just so

22 totally sacred.

23 And the one last thing I have here is

24 that, you know, they're talking about the reality

25 transfer tax as if it were some of windfall and, you
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1 know, I find that to be theft from the people that put

2 forth all their blood and sweat into buying this

3 property, and then the city feels and other entities

4 feel that they have an obligation to your money, and I

5 just think this city has to change course.

6 And I'm not going to tell the people

7 who to vote for, and I would also like to say that I

8 think that when the mayor sends his budget up, I think

9 we need to make the cuts necessary to make up for the

10 shortfall this year, and let's start doing some very

11 prudent things and protect the taxpayers and residents.

12 And I would also like to say as I walk

13 away from this podium that I hope that Council would

14 consider the three grants the Scranton Lackawanna

15 Taxpayers Association has applied to, because we can

16 show you how to use those funds without politics being

17 involved, and we'd appreciate your consideration.

18 And the last thing I have is the

19 Scranton Lackawanna Taxpayers Association is going to

20 meet here on Monday at seven o'clock, and we'd like

21 everybody to come. And you know what, I hope that

22 everybody here in this audience comes to the next

23 Council meeting even after the election, and let's

24 change this city. Thank you.

25 MR. DIBILEO: Thank you. Valerie
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1 Burke and Bill Burke.

2 MR. AND MRS. BURKE: Good evening.

3 My name is Valerie Burke, I'm a resident of the City of

4 Scranton, I live on Wheeler Avenue. I came today

5 mostly because I was tired of all the negativity that I

6 personally feel goes unchallenged in this environment.

7 I watch this on TV, constantly catch the reruns Sunday

8 morning and whatnot. This is the first time I've

9 attended, and there is a specific comment that just

10 seemed, you know, to really just crystalize the

11 absurdity for me.

12 One of the Council members said that

13 wasn't it sad that Deemer's Office Supply was going out

14 of business, wasn't it sad for our downtown, implying

15 that it's somebody's fault.

16 I'm sure that Council realizes that a

17 small office supply business would have run its course

18 naturally with competition from business supply super

19 stores and the ease of ordering online from these types

20 of companies.

21 Well, it is sad, I agree 100 percent,

22 when any business closes their doors, it's more of a

23 reflection on a particular business model and not

24 necessarily our city as it currently is.

25 Lavish, for example, is a cosmetic
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1 store that is a perfect example of the businesses that

2 I think will flourish in our downtown. They offer

3 something that's unique that a lot of your stores don't

4 offer, and you wouldn't find it unless you were in a

5 big city in a larger boutique.

6 It's those unique small businesses that

7 really will come in and revitalize our downtown, like

8 the coffee shops, the bridal boutiques, things like

9 that.

10 So, if you ask why one small business

11 is leaving the downtown, I'd ask, Haven't you noticed

12 the progress that Mayor Doherty has made for all of us

13 with all of the construction going on, the thousands of

14 new jobs for our area, the development and growth?

15 To me, it's just amazing in this area.

16 I grew up here, I went to college here, and years ago

17 when I was in college, and not that long ago when we

18 would go out in the downtown area and would walk back

19 to our cars, people would be offering to sell us drugs,

20 it was terrifying.

21 I couldn't wait to get out of what I

22 considered a crast and dismal area, and I think I

23 probably speak for a lot of the youth that graduated

24 and then leave.

25 I moved to Atlanta ten years ago, and
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1 as I came back over the years to visit my parents, I

2 was gradually seeing changes that I thought for the

3 better.

4 My dad is a very political person

5 always pointing out this happening, you know, for good

6 or bad in the city, and it is these visits when I would

7 come back and see the changes that were happening,

8 which was why my husband and I decided to move again,

9 move to Scranton.

10 The reason we came back here was the

11 recovery plan, and at the time when it went back to, I

12 believe it is -- was the citizens of Scranton to vote

13 on that plan, I wasn't able to vote, I hadn't been here

14 long enough, and I was so concerned, you know, you

15 elected someone they had a great plan, I loved what the

16 plan said, I was so concerned that they wouldn't pass

17 it, and I held my breath, and they voted to pass it.

18 The mayor does do things that might

19 scare some people, because there aren't immediate

20 returns to KOZ things. He's investing for our future,

21 he's making strategic business decisions, and I was so

22 relieved to finally have a mayor running this city as a

23 true businessman should.

24 If you want young people to stay here,

25 you have to make the place worth staying, and the
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1 current mayor has done just that.

2 And finally, I would like to share a

3 little trivia from Forbes Magazine, they put together a

4 list of the best places to live nationwide, 200 of the

5 best cities, the data is compiled by Forbes using

6 economy.com, Spurling's best places and FBI crimes

7 statistics, and they rate the areas on home value, job

8 growth, economic containment, so in 2002, we were

9 ranked 159, and obviously being number one is the best,

10 and in 2003, we were 147.

11 In 2004, Scranton Metropolitan Area was

12 112. Incidentally, Hollywood, Hawaii was 113. And I

13 think everyone can agree that that seems like a pretty

14 great place to live, Forbes still thought Scranton was

15 better.

16 Well, in 2005, we were 105, so Forbes

17 Magazine can even see it's a better place to live than

18 it was four years ago.

19 And as someone that was a local and has

20 moved to the city again, I can see that Scranton is

21 moving in the right direction and I just wanted to

22 acknowledge that on the record to stand against so much

23 of the negativity that I hear in this forum every day.

24 Thank you.

25 MR. DIBILEO: Mark Phillips.
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1 MR. PHILLIPS: Mark Phillips, 543

2 Clay Avenue. I thought it necessary to come down here

3 tonight to speak on the progress of the city as a

4 homeowner and a father of small children.

5 I walk through my neighborhood often

6 and I see constructions on homes, I see people

7 rebuilding their porches, new roofs going on houses,

8 the work is -- it's everywhere, and as a member of

9 Local 654, the carpenters, I've enjoyed much employment

10 inside the city, and it hasn't been on city run

11 projects, it's been for LR Costanzo.

12 I've worked on the Woolworth Building,

13 as well Scranton Prep, and they are not investing in

14 these buildings because of cities going backwards,

15 they're investing because the city is going forward,

16 and I believe in the progress of the city, and we are

17 going to have four more good years with the city if we

18 -- if everybody votes properly on Election Day. Thank

19 you.

20 MR. DIBILEO: Thank you. Joseph

21 Tullie.

22 MR. TULLIE: Good evening, Mr.

23 President, Councilmen, Councilwoman.

24 MR. DIBILEO: Good evening.

25 MR. TULLIE: Last week several
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1 speakers spoke before Council attempting to make this

2 election a veterans issue. This mayor supports

3 supporting veterans.

4 A person representing the police union

5 stated that this administration did not support city

6 employees deployed as military in Iraq, this is simply

7 false.

8 What the city does, as does the federal

9 government, but not all employers, is guarantees that a

10 soldier's pay and benefits are not less than when they

11 work for the city.

12 The city police union want all city

13 employees to receive both their full city pay and their

14 full military pay. This is not a small sum of money,

15 and done by no large government or business entity.

16 Last week a veteran stood here and said

17 the mayor did not support veterans because he did not

18 greet them personally upon their return from service in

19 Iraq, let me tell you, as a Veteran who has returned

20 many times as an enlisted men, the last person any

21 military man or woman wants to see standing between

22 them and their families when returning is a politician.

23 The mayor honored returning National

24 Guard Veterans and their familles at Scranton High

25 School. Further, the mayor proudly marched and
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1 reviewed in the Armed Forces Day Parade.

2 Meanwhile, the mayor's opponent has

3 picketed a veterans' home for political purposes and

4 was picketed by local veterans leaders for attempting

5 to raise campaign funds by profiting off the sale of

6 support of our troop bracelets. Thank you for your

7 time.

8 MR. DIBILEO: Thank you. And, Mr.

9 Tullio, it should be noted that you were one of those

10 picketers. Thank you. Al Donohue.

11 MR. DONOHUE: Al Donohue. My name is

12 Al Donohue, Vine Street, Scranton, retired Air Force

13 Lieutenant, former city cop, etc., etc.

14 Mr. DiBileo, do you know what the city

15 does for its employees deployed to Iraq? Do you know

16 what the package is?

17 MR. DIBILEO: I don't know the total

18 details of it.

19 MR. DONOHUE: They get two months pay

20 on top of their military base pay, and their military

21 allowances, any difference between that, and the city,

22 they get the difference. The city pays the difference.

23 So, they don't suffer.

24 And on top of that, which I found

25 really amazing, they still acrue vacation days, they
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1 acrue sick days, they have medical coverage, and I

2 don't know of any business certainly that's ever done

3 that, and I've heard people say that there's some

4 dissension, well, it should just be military pay

5 instead of military allowances.

6 And really that's kind of a misnomer,

7 because military pay, basic pay, is kept artificially

8 low so poor old pensioners like me only get half of

9 that number instead of the allowances.

10 But when you go to a bank when you get

11 a loan, your pay is considered your basic pay and your

12 allowances.

13 And I have here, I don't know if you

14 knew that, I assume you got a copy -- this is a letter

15 from the Department of Labor that actually commends the

16 city. It's dated May 18, 2004, if you'd like a copy, I

17 believe you got one.

18 MR. DIBILEO: Certainly.

19 MR. DONOHUE: But my concern was that

20 when the president of the union was up here last week,

21 I think I said on television I had planned to stay away

22 from the circus, that the city did not, veterans were

23 taken care of, employees with the city were not taken

24 care of when they were sent to Iraq, and the city did

25 nothing, that's absolutely untrue, and you let it
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1 stand, so I assumed you didn't know what it was, and I

2 thought everyone would want to know what benefits they

3 got.

4 MR. DIBILEO: Very good.

5 MR. DONOHUE. The other thing is,

6 City of Scranton fireman's pension commission, there's

7 a discrepancy, ask Senator Mellow and I guess all the

8 local legislators, there's discrepancy for Class AA

9 cities, and what it is, if you have miliary duty, you

10 don't get -- you can't get as much time for your

11 miliary service, buy as much time as you would if you

12 belonged to Philly or even a smaller city, and the

13 pension board was trying to get this changed, actually

14 I think it goes back years and years and years, and it

15 never has been.

16 It was brought up a couple of times,

17 the pervious mayor actually opposed it, this pension

18 board unanimously voted for it and the mayor's if not

19 supporting it, definitely not opposing it, and it's in

20 the process.

21 Again, another piece of paper, but the

22 mayor said nothing in terms of what he did for Veterans

23 or letting it go. I think it's a cheap hit to say that

24 the mayor is against Veterans. This election isn't

25 about Veterans issues, this election is about the city.
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1 Veterans are a part of it, we are a large part it, but

2 this is about how the city is run, and all I'm trying

3 to say is just as Mayor Doherty's taking care of

4 Veterans and our employees serving in the city, I'd

5 expect you to do the same.

6 MR. DIBILEO: Absolutely.

7 MR. DONOHUE: And I have another piece

8 of paper for you. The other thing you've kind of taken

9 a couple of hearsay shots here.

10 MR. DIBILEO: Okay.

11 MR. DONOHUE: Like, I'm not sure if t's

12 true, but I hear 175,000,000 of the 200, I'm going to

13 take a hearsay shot.

14 MR. DIBILEO: Okay.

15 MR. DONOHUE: From what I hear, over

16 half of your campaign contributions, again, that's

17 hearsay, are from fire and police, and I don't know if

18 it's legal, maybe Mr. Courtright can tell us, is it

19 legal for a city policeman or firemen to contribute

20 $100 to a campaign?

21 MR. COURTRIGHT: I have no idea. I

22 don't know.

23 MR. DIBILEO: And I would tell you this

24 --

25 MR COURTRIGHT: You were a policeman,
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1 do you know?

2 MR. DONOHUE: From what I understand,

3 it was -- there was a dollar limit.

4 MR. COURTRIGHT: Okay. Then what are

5 you asking me for?

6 MR. DONOHUE: I don't know, since

7 you're the police person. Since you're Council's

8 police person, I thought --

9 MR. COURTRIGHT: No, Mr. Donohue, you

10 said it to try to embarrass me. End of subject.

11 Goodbye.

12 MR. DONOHUE: I figured you'd know

13 that and --

14 MR. COURTRIGHT: No. You said that to

15 try to embarrass me.

16 MR. DONOHUE: No, absolutely not.

17 MR. COURTRIGHT: Yes, you did.

18 MR. DIBILEO: To answer your question,

19 it is hearsay, because it's not true, because it's not

20 true, but the developer of that Tripp Park Village told

21 me that $150,000,000 of Mr. Doherty's $250 million in

22 development is his development, that's hearsay.

23 MR. DONOHUE: That is the word I hear.

24 MR. DIBILEO: He told me himself.

25 MR. DONOHUE: But you said, I hear.
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1 MR. DIBILEO: Well, he told me himself,

2 I heard it from him.

3 MR. DONOHUE: And a policeman told me

4 themselves, so both of them are hearsay. I'm just

5 trying to say you took a cheap shot. And thank you,

6 it's been a pleasure coming before you folks.

7 MR. DIBILEO: Thank you. Charlie

8 Newcomb, Sr.

9 MR. NEWCOMB, SR.: Good evening,

10 Council. I just want to clear the air about a few

11 things, but first of all, I'd like to make a comment

12 about two years ago, Mrs. Evans, she's not here right

13 now, but Mr. McTiernan, myself, Mr. Courtright, Kevin

14 Murphy and a few other people that ran for office sat

15 up at the Taurus Club in front of the fireman's union,

16 the next week I believe we had to go to the police

17 union, and different questions were asked of all of us,

18 and it's on videotape.

19 Mr. Courtright, Mr. McTiernan, myself

20 were all asked the same questions, and one of those

21 questions were, unlike the rubberstamp Council that we

22 had then, meaning the ones that were there two years

23 ago, who Kevin Murphy was one of those because he was

24 president, were asked if we would be rubber stamped

25 Council people.
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1 My answer to that was, Definitely not,

2 Mr. Courtright's was not, Mrs. Evans was not, and Mr.

3 McTiernan said he would not be a rubber stamp Council,

4 he would listen and make his decision.

5 We would just like to remind Mr.

6 McTiernan, I really gave you the benefit of the doubt,

7 and I've been looking at all the things that you voted

8 on in the past, you have voted for everything that this

9 mayor has sent down here, not gone with the majority,

10 but what I was really disgusted with, and that's your

11 prerogative, but what I was disgusted with is that you

12 voted for this pension for what the mayor wants, when I

13 believe the courts say the mayor is wrong and we're

14 going to have to pay fines.

15 So. I mean being a rubber stamp is one

16 thing, but going to an extreme is another, and I

17 believe that's an extreme.

18 I would like to make a comment right

19 now and I want to clear the air here about these trade

20 unions. Everybody sees these billboards, I just want

21 to make this very clear, of the 12 faces of the

22 building trades and those in the billboards that you

23 see out there, only six trade unions of the 14 were

24 represented.

25 Only five of the 14 regional trade
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1 unions actually endorsed the mayor, and nine did not.

2 Two people in the ad don't even belong to building

3 trade unions. Of the construction trade, council,

4 members in the ad, only four union officers actually

5 live in the city.

6 I would just like to clear that up.

7 And if you remember years ago about all the union

8 unrest in the city, if people could remember that these

9 guys forget, we had a problem at The Ice Box project.

10 The IEBW picketed. The business incubator on

11 Lackawanna Avenue, the iron workers picketed that.

12 The new parking garage on Lackawanna

13 Avenue, the operational engineers picketed that. Where

14 was Mr. Doherty during this labor unrest?

15 Mr. Doherty was very content to be

16 anti-union in the past. He also or the city also, and

17 I'm sure it's under his direction, ordered labels to be

18 printed in the city on the paper from a printing

19 company and did demand that no union budget be used.

20 This was brought up here, if you remember, and I would

21 just like to ask all union members if you think that

22 these things are fair.

23 This is some of the things that has

24 come out of our recovery plan. Pensions will be offset

25 by Social Security benefits, job classification and
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1 duties will be determined by his sole discretion,

2 additional six hours per week of duty without

3 additional pay, but this is the best one, Mayoral

4 determination of work-related injuries instead of a

5 physician.

6 Now, just remember what I said, mayoral

7 determination of work-related injures instead of a

8 physician. What I do is I ask all fellow union members

9 and the 3,142 teamsters who live in the City of

10 Scranton that belong to the union. All the facts about

11 these unions. This whole thing is a farce.

12 These people picketed the same places

13 now that the mayor says that they're working because

14 they were given to, and even Nay Aug Park no bid

15 contracts on non-union labor, and they also picketed

16 Nay Aug Park.

17 So, I want all your union people to do

18 one thing when you go into the polls next week, I'm not

19 going to tell you who to vote for, but it's obvious.

20 And just remember when you do go in there, ladies and

21 gentlemen, and as I read this, please don't take the

22 bait.

23 MR. DIBILEO: Thank you. Erik

24 Johnson. I'm sorry. Ian Miller.

25 MR. MILLER: Good evening, Council, Ian
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1 Miller. I live in the Plot Section of Green Ridge.

2 I would just like to start off thanking

3 Mr. Pocius for not only speaking up for himself and his

4 beliefs, but for the city and the mayor.

5 I would also like to say thank you to

6 Doug Miller for acknowledging me last week. Although

7 we don't have the same opinion on mayor, I do respect

8 him for coming up here and expressing his opinion.

9 I would like to clarify something that

10 has brought up by a speaker almost every week about The

11 Plot. As I just stated, I live in The Plot, and have

12 my whole life, which is almost sixteen years, so if

13 someone comes up here and makes facts about The Plot,

14 they must have the correc information before they

15 speak.

16 So, here is the correct information.

17 Mayor Doherty was in The Plot before it got flooded,

18 and as soon as they allowed cars back in The Plot after

19 it was flooded, he was one of the very first few cars,

20 and he didn't stop at my house, he didn't say, Hi, I'm

21 Mayor Doherty, I'm running for reelection, he came to

22 comfort my family through the flood.

23 So, Don't dare come up to this podium

24 and make false facts about The Plot, when you don't

25 even live there.
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1 I wasn't going to say this tonight, but

2 I guess I will. I do have one issue that I brought up

3 two weeks ago, and that is crime. I never -- well, I

4 personally never had any problems walking with friends

5 at night or being downtown at the movies or the mall on

6 Friday or Saturday nights, so I really don't know how

7 crime gets skyrocketed just because it's election year.

8 Mayor Doherty said that crime did not

9 go up in the last four years, and his source is, yep,

10 it's crime statistics.

11 Mr. DiBileo, you said it did, and you

12 said your source is Pennsylvania State Police, so who

13 is correct? I guess it depends on who you're voting

14 for on November 8th or whether you want to believe the

15 FBI or State Police.

16 This Election Day is Tuesday, and I

17 would like to encourage everyone to get out and vote.

18 Although I cannot vote, I would like to ask everyone

19 to, and before I go, I would like to personally thank

20 Mr. Pocius for the sixteen years he put into Council.

21 And he deserves a lot more respect then he gets up

22 there. Thank you very much.

23 MR. DIBILEO: Thank you, Ian.

24 Considering you probably have to get up for school

25 tomorrow, I wish I would have noticed you in the
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1 audience and could have gotten you up here sooner than

2 now. Thank you. Erik Johnson.

3 MR. JOHNSON: Erik Johnson, taxpayer,

4 Scranton resident. Good evening, City Council, and

5 staff, Lisa.

6 MR. DIBILEO: Good evening.

7 MR. JOHNSON: In this morning's

8 Times Tribune newspaper, staff writer by Lynn Slack

9 Shedlaock, whether it's true or not, because all that

10 is written in our newspaper isn't always the truth, it

11 mentioned a candidate supposedly said that he changed

12 his mind on the plan and not altered the recovery plan,

13 he still favors a needed public safety impact study.

14 As I read this very important issue, it

15 was also iterated by the candidate that he still favors

16 a public safety study that would investigate changes in

17 staffing before re-structuring the fire department, and

18 the police department was not mentioned in that same

19 phrase.

20 Did the staff writer intentionally not

21 mention the police department, that the phrase or what

22 is to be implemented by the recovery plan to change the

23 number of officers in different shifts?

24 As people most likely read the front

25 page part without following through continuing page six
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1 for the complete story, which states neither candidate

2 is proposing personnel cuts in the police department.

3 But the new language in the recovery

4 plan hinges on police and firefighters union contract

5 for wage freezes and health cap and management rights,

6 which was mentioned on page six.

7 In my opinion, when mentioning such

8 changes like this, this means you indeed are

9 restructuring the police department, along with the

10 fire department, which should have been mentioned on

11 page one highlighted by the staff writer, whom I'm

12 trying to help with a suggestion of a topic consists of

13 two major factors on an important issue, state and

14 indicate both main factors to be continued to your

15 issue which has to be continued on page six.

16 That's how I was taught at Dunmore

17 High, which at the time had the highest standard of

18 school education in the area and also one of the most

19 successful businessmen in this area, and at that time

20 graduated from Dunmore High with a 96.

21 We used to kid him about upside down 96

22 which was 69. Everybody knows who is the most famous

23 businessman around here, graduated from Dunmore with

24 me.

25 Election Day is November 8th, Tuesday.
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1 Let's all get out and voice your freedom and opinions

2 by voting. That including all the new voters

3 registered. If you are registered and do not vote, do

4 not complain or object to who becomes mayor or not.

5 At the Senior Citizens Center downtown

6 there is a flea market this Saturday 9-5 to help pay

7 for the winter bills.

8 Speaking of heating bills, I'm glad

9 Scranton is helping the poor and low income with

10 assisting funds for the heating bills this winter.

11 And last but not least, our prayers and

12 thoughts go out for our counselor, Attorney Mark Walsh.

13 I pray that God will be his main physician. Thank you

14 for letting me speak.

15 MS. EVANS: Thank you, Mr. Johnson.

16 George Moran.

17 MR. MORAN: George Moran, Green Ridge.

18 First I'd like to say about respecting the Council

19 people, it seems like it is on board more every week

20 disrespectfully we voted for you, if people don't like

21 it, well, you're our voice.

22 And the CRF loans, we get -- my

23 understanding is they borrowed money from us and we get

24 the interest in the loans, is that how that works?

25 MS. EVANS: Yes, through the OECD
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1 Office, we have a revolving loan program and businesses

2 are able to borrow a certain amount of money, and

3 they'll make payments on those loans over a period of

4 years determined by the loan agreement, and, yes, we're

5 receiving interest and the payments made enable more

6 money to be loaned out for additional businesses.

7 MR. MORAN: So, that sounds like it

8 would be another asset we'd be selling.

9 MS. EVANS: Yes.

10 MR. MORAN: We're getting that money

11 every month or whenever they pay it, that's just like

12 getting rid of another city asset. At least we know

13 we're going to get that money. I think some of that

14 money we should give it to the kids we have all these

15 kids and it seems like every week someone is in here

16 begging money for them. It shouldn't be that way.

17 And about our neighborhoods, I have to

18 say one thing about them, changing neighborhoods. It

19 was Halloween, and our neighborhood, we usually get

20 tons of kids at our house, my wife really enjoys this,

21 this year we had, like, five kids.

22 We looked out our street, what the

23 heck, you know, we looked out, the streets are all

24 dark, you know, and the neighbors turned their lights

25 out.
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1 And what, are they afraid? Why don't

2 they want to let kids in? I thought it was terrible,

3 because we have been in that neighborhood over

4 20 years, we never saw nothing like that. And I hope

5 next year it's better. Our light was on, but there was

6 nobody coming.

7 And these, like, the gas company, they

8 do work on the roads or the water company, do they get

9 permits or do they just do it because they think

10 something is wrong or --

11 MR. POCIUS: They have to pull pave cut

12 permits.

13 MR. MORAN: Because I live right off

14 Wink Avenue, it has been over 20 years since it was

15 paved, they finally paved it. And a couple months

16 later or so they come up and ripped the whole road

17 apart.

18 Now, it's been months and months, they

19 never paved it. All the patching they did is all

20 coming out. It's all potholes. I mean, Can you check

21 it?

22 MS. EVANS: Yes, I'll forward that

23 situation to Mr. Hazzouri, who is the pave cut

24 inspector, and I'm sure he can get in touch with the

25 utilities. It's their obligation to pave and make
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1 those improvements, as long as it's within a five-year

2 period following the actual pave cut.

3 MR. MORAN: And I watched that Pulse

4 and I saw Mayor Doherty on Sunday, and he named three

5 things, like you, he said he was going to do when he

6 takes over as the mayor, and the middle thing he said

7 he was going to concentrate on the spending, so I guess

8 he did concentrate on it because we went from

9 $4,000,000 ahead to almost $200,000,000 behind.

10 I don't know his concentration, if my

11 wife concentrated like that, I would take her credit

12 cards off her. And that's it. Everybody go out and

13 vote.

14 MR. DIBILEO: Dick Laske.

15 I didn't think Dick is Here. Jeff Belardi. Okay.

16 He's not here either. Yvonne Xanthis.

17 MS. XANTHIS: Good evening, Council.

18 My name is Yvonne Xanthis, I live on Dickson Avenue in

19 Green Ridge. A few months ago I came to Council with a

20 legitimate problem, at lease to us. I had no political

21 agenda at that the time, I was concerned about the dust

22 and noise from Daron Northeast.

23 I heard last week Daron sent a letter

24 to Council, that's very nice, but unfortunately these

25 people do not live in Scranton, and thus are not
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1 affected by noise or dust.

2 In the last one and a half years, my

3 daughter has gone from a seasonal allergy medicine

4 Flonase to three medicines for asthma at a price of

5 over $280 a month. We have a developed asthma in my

6 home.

7 This is not a joke. Our lives have

8 drastically been altered. This past summer we could

9 not sit on our porches or swim in our pool. The dust

10 level was extremely high due to the hot dry weather.

11 Once the wind hits it, it blows

12 everywhere. We can't open our windows anymore, we

13 still get a fine coat of dust on everything. Our DVDs

14 and computers have to be cleaned continuously.

15 For two years, I called city hall to

16 get help, I got nothing. I went down to the mayor's

17 office four times, I was ushered out nicely the first

18 two, the last two I was kindly told to get lost.

19 My main problem is I worry about what

20 is this dust that we are breathing in. I saw the mayor

21 on Channel 61 saying he wants a safe place for his

22 children to live, but what does he think I want?

23 My children are subjected every day to

24 the diesel smell and a dust in the air. I don't come

25 from money, and I don't have any connections.
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1 Apparently that's why I don't count.

2 But I do live in Scranton, and I do vote in Scranton

3 and I resent receiving advice from people that don't

4 know me that don't live in Scranton telling me who to

5 vote for.

6 A dear friend of mine gave me a call

7 two weeks ago, she was very upset, she got a letter

8 from Scranton High School for her son Richie. He

9 graduated from there. Very drastically Richie died

10 shortly after graduation. They should look into their

11 records a little bit better before they send out all of

12 this political garbage.

13 I want to thank you, Mrs. Evans, for

14 her help. She has been great. Mr. DiBileo, you've

15 been down there, Mr. Courtright, you've been down

16 there, and Mr. and Mrs. Pilchesky have gone out of

17 their way. Also, Ann Marie Stulgis, for sticking her

18 neck out trying to help us.

19 Every week Mr. DiBileo is cornered by

20 very disrespectful people, but he responds with grace

21 every single week. You have to earn respect. There's

22 not a price tag on it, so no matter how much money you

23 have, you can't buy respect.

24 I'd also like to thank Mr. Fiorini, he

25 did come to my home and spoke with me about Daron.
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1 Also, anyone who disagrees can stop by and admire this

2 future environmental disaster on 16 acres of KOZ land,

3 38 feet, I measured it, from my front porch.

4 What a beautiful site. Whenever you

5 get up in the morning, you see cement blocks skyhigh in

6 front of you.

7 I have never committed a crime, and

8 I've never been in prison, I feel like I am now. Come

9 down here, you should wear safety goggles and don't

10 breathe in too greatly, because it really isn't pretty.

11 That would have been a great park,

12 since that's the leading point of this mayoral

13 campaign. That park would have been beautiful over

14 there, why do we have to have factories?

15 By the way, our street hasn't been

16 cleaned since August. They came on my street, because

17 I called DPW, they sat across the street from my house,

18 but apparently they don't agree with my political

19 signs.

20 And I took a video of this, so I have

21 this on camera, and also I was told that I should thank

22 the mayor for cleaning my street, well, should I also

23 thank the mayor for ruining my children's health? Good

24 luck, Mr. DiBileo.

25 MR. DIBILEO: Thank you. Marion
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1 Shields.

2 MS. SHIELDS: My name is Marion

3 Shields, I live on Wayne Avenue in North Scranton. It

4 will be two-weeks tomorrow that the side street where

5 my driveway entrance is has been recently repaved. I

6 now have a curbstone, which I call one of the speed

7 bumps ,in my driveway, which last summer we paid over

8 $1800 to get it redone.

9 I have a car that's low in front, I

10 scrape bottom every time I go over. I have to go in at

11 a slant because there's cars parked on both sides, so I

12 get one end up, the other comes off the curb.

13 I have a fence there, and come

14 wintertime, I'm going to go through that fence. And

15 then when you go to pull out, it's even higher, so you

16 roll down to the bump, my speed bump, and you have to

17 gas the car to get it out of there, and I can't see up

18 the street, neither can my husband, when we're backing

19 out in the morning to go to work.

20 So, if I pull out in front of somebody

21 or my husband does, insurance is going to charge it to

22 us if we're hit by somebody, not the person that hit

23 us. But I can't get out of my driveway because of this

24 speed bump.

25 I have called the mayor's office, spoke
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1 to the secretary twice now, both times I'm told contact

2 DPW.

3 The last time I called George Parker,

4 contacted him, well, that's nice, if you can get to

5 talk to them, leave a message.

6 I contacted the mayor's office again,

7 spoke to a man, well, actually left a message for this

8 person. Never called me back, either did George

9 Parker, never called me back.

10 I explained on the phone -- I explained

11 to the girl at the DPW what is going on, somebody come

12 and fix this. The winter is going to come. How am I

13 going to get in and out of my driveway? This is

14 ridiculous.

15 MS. EVANS: Kay, would you add that to

16 my list this evening, only let's put it ASAP on that

17 Mr. Parker?

18 MS. SHIELDS: I don't know where to go.

19 Very nicely yesterday I got something in the mail that

20 had a phone number to call, so I figured I'm going to

21 call, and I was told by someone to come to the Council

22 meeting.

23 MR. DIBILEO: Marion, that doesn't seem

24 like it would be a monumental task to get that fixed

25 for you, and I think that we could probably try to help
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1 you out there and see if we can. Jay, can you --

2 MS. SHIELDS: The office of the mayor

3 even knew who was -- it was Linde. And she said, Well,

4 Linde is going to have to fix it. Nobody has come to

5 see it, I don't get returned phone calls, I leave my

6 work number and my home number.

7 Unfortunately this was done on a

8 Friday, it will be two weeks tomorrow that this was

9 done, and I've been trying since last, not this Monday,

10 but Monday before, to have somebody come and even look

11 at it, and what I'd like them to do is drive in and

12 back out and see what it does to your car.

13 And if we keep that up, I'm going to

14 have a car that I won't be able to use.

15 MR. DIBILEO: We will try to get.

16 Somebody right on it.

17 MS. SHIELDS. Thank you. I'd

18 appreciate that. I mean, other people, they had the

19 same thing wrong, but they were home to go out and say,

20 Hey, I don't want that there, we weren't, and I think

21 it's a shame that when you call someone, you can't

22 speak to anybody, you have to leave a message and then

23 not get called back.

24 I mean, like DPW is busy, but this is

25 not a right thing, and like I said, nowhere else to
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1 turn but to come here.

2 MR. DIBILEO: Okay. Well, you came to

3 the right place. I think we can help out.

4 MS. SHIELDS: I hope, because pretty

5 soon you better tear that down, that tar is not going

6 to stick there.

7 MS. EVANS: Could you give Kay your

8 address, please, before you leave?

9 MS. SHIELDS: 1704 Wayne Avenue, North

10 Scranton. My driveway and fence are on Putnam Street,

11 the back of the house.

12 MR. DIBILEO: Mike Dudek.

13 MR. DUDEK: My name is Mike Dudek,

14 I live at 608 Depot Street, Scranton, PA. That's in

15 The Plot. And I have literally been bouncing off the

16 walls and the ceiling for the last few days because of

17 a letter that I received from an attorney by the name

18 of Paul A. Labelle.

19 Mr. LaBelle obviously is a Doherty

20 supporter, because he has put me on notice that I am

21 about to be sued, and I'd still like to know over what.

22 Over the last six weeks I've been downing one note at

23 this podium over the debt, $132,300,000 of Christopher

24 Doherty debt.

25 And no number of Doherty supporters
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1 telling us how wonderful this city is going to change

2 that fact. I know the city is wonderful. I'm a

3 DiBileo supporter, and I choose to live in this city

4 and I choose to work to make this city better.

5 Seven years ago a person who is now a

6 Doherty supporter, a man named Tom Fernable and I

7 worked out what is now a national model for obtaining

8 flood protection.

9 Both of us were honored by the General

10 Assembly of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania last year

11 for bringing $22 million into a distressed city that

12 otherwise was not entitled to a dime.

13 On Tom's kitchen table and on my

14 kitchen table, we worked out the parameters of what is

15 now a national model for any distressed city to obtain

16 any amount of flood protection it needs.

17 Now, people who love this city do

18 things like that. And I don't care if you're a Doherty

19 or DiBileo supporter.

20 So, we know that Scranton is a

21 wonderful place to live, but the mayor doesn't get

22 credit for that that's like worshipping Mao when he was

23 the head of red china.

24 The Chinese make China a great country,

25 not Mao, and the people of this town make Scranton a
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1 great city not the mayor. So, let's all get that

2 straight, okay?

3 But the reason why I'm bouncing off the

4 walls, a member of the District Attorney's office has

5 taken a very special interest in me, simply because I

6 wrote a letter to the Attorney General asking that he

7 remind this person to cease and desist from political

8 campaigning because is an employee of the District

9 Attorney, he carries the police power of the state,

10 he's not allowed to campaign.

11 He hired a lawyer, and he sent me this

12 letter, and it's unbelievable. Please be advised I

13 have been retained by Mr. James Moran with regard to

14 the liable letter you wrote.

15 I have had an opportunity to review in

16 detail and I'm of the belief that Mr. Moran has a claim

17 for defamation of character based upon the false

18 statements contained in these letters.

19 Now, at this point I should remind you

20 I taught Constitutional Law, Mr. LaBelle, I don't think

21 ever knew that. It is quite clear you have already

22 shared these false statements with the public since you

23 provided these letters, et cetera.

24 No. I am sharing these true statements

25 now with you, just as I did this morning on WICK with
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1 Sue Henry.

2 Over the past several months my client

3 has been contacted on numerous occasions with regard to

4 false allegations which are being spread throughout the

5 community as of a result or your letter. Now this next

6 paragraph, I can't make this up.

7 Although there's a lack of sufficient

8 information to formulate a complaint at this time, I

9 believe that my client has claims for defamation in the

10 form of liable and possibly slander.

11 I plan to file summons in order to

12 commence an action against you, and then I plan on

13 taking your deposition, as well as the deposition of

14 others in the community to prove these liable

15 statements. I would advise you to obtain an attorney

16 so that I may schedule your deposition.

17 To Mr. LaBelle, at least as far as I'm

18 concerned, you're not scheduling anything. As far as

19 I'm concerned, You can step out of your office door on

20 Washington Avenue and make a left, when you get to the

21 alley, take the next left along the side of your

22 building, you'll see a rain pipe, you walk up to that

23 rain pipe, you know what to do. I will not be

24 intimidated. I will not be intimidated. Thank you

25 very much.
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1 MR. DIBILEO: Mary Ann Rosky.

2 MS. ROSKY: He's a tough act to follow.

3 Anyway, good evening, Council. I'm Mary Ann Rosky, a

4 city taxpayer, homeowner and lifelong resident of

5 Scranton.

6 And, Mr. DiBileo, first of all, I want

7 to commend you on your patience and your fairness and

8 your kindness and respect towards all. And you've

9 earned the admiration that people give you.

10 MR. DIBILEO: Thank you.

11 MS. ROSKY: I'm going to go back to the

12 debate. First of all, I do want to say I appreciate

13 any person that speaks from his or her heart, and you

14 guys up there, okay?

15 Now going back to the debate with the

16 mayor, can you hear me, okay, when the mayor and Mr.

17 DiBileo did agree on the train coming from Hoboken to

18 Scranton, Mr. DiBileo, you did make a comment, we both

19 agreed on that, and you did make the comment that it

20 had to be secure, as long as, you know, there's no

21 drugs or guns coming off that train.

22 We don't need that, but Mayor Doherty

23 did not comment to that, okay, so I don't know where he

24 stands with that, but we do have enough drugs in the

25 city, we're overwhelmed in every area you go, North
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1 Scranton, South Scranton, West Scranton, there's drugs

2 all over.

3 How can the mayor be proud of his city

4 if many taxpayers are ignored? How can he stand up

5 there and say I'm proud of city and then there are

6 taxpayers being ignored by phone calls from persons

7 whatever?

8 And how would he like to be in over and

9 over and again? I don't think he would like that.

10 Okay, with all due respect to Mayor Doherty, it's our

11 city, too, and they are our streets, our police

12 department, and our fire department.

13 Okay. We need the protection from our

14 police and fire department to feel safe, and we're also

15 all Americans and should work together and be proud to

16 do so not only all city people taxpayers and were also

17 Americans and we are also all of God's children.

18 And respectful communication to me is

19 with one another is the key to any relationship. Okay.

20 And I spoke, not to digress off of that, but I did

21 speak to a very nice woman who told me that her street

22 and could give the address later if it's okay or at one

23 point.

24 Her street has big potholes in it and

25 she has the traffic from the bus, from the city and
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1 also the school busses, that there's potholes in the

2 street, but there's also little pebbles in there and

3 pebbles keep shooting at her house, so I told her to

4 contact the mayor's office and hopefully before

5 election she will have that fixed.

6 So, okay. And also another statement

7 for Mayor Doherty, City Council members are not just

8 people, I swear, I mean, or scary people, I mean this

9 is only my second time speaking here, and I'm not

10 intimidated by, at all, by any one of you, just to make

11 that clear.

12 And at the debate, to go back to that,

13 the mayor not only spoke about other cities and crimes,

14 but solely on murders. I would like to know theft,

15 beatings, arson, robberies, vandalism, being held at

16 gunpoint, knifepoint, raped, selling, using drugs are

17 they not crimes?

18 We have to think about that really,

19 really hard. He focused only on murders. We had a

20 gunshot with a tenth grader today, was wounded, not

21 murdered. Thank God. I pray for him and his family.

22 Would that be considered a crime if he

23 were? Fortunately he's going to make it. He did get

24 shot, and he's going to make it.

25 So, I just had to leave it with the
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1 mayor wondering if by him getting shot, and thank God

2 he wasn't murdered, does he call that crime that he was

3 shot?

4 All right. My final words, please,

5 voters, on November 8th, okay, do yourself a favor, a

6 big favor, before you pull that lever, keep in mind the

7 high property taxes and wage taxes, no money to help

8 the poor people, average people with their homes, with

9 their properties, and emergency situations like I'm

10 talking about, these people have no money.

11 The rising of crimes, the lack of jobs

12 in our city, honesty, and also a mayor for everyone.

13 Keep issues and priorities in prospective this Election

14 Day. Ask not what our city can do for you only, but

15 ask what you can do for your city by voting an honest

16 fair and caring person for all of us in Scranton.

17 Thank you for allowing me to speak have a good night.

18 MR. DIBILEO: Thank you.

19 MS. MCCRONE: Good evening. I'm

20 Sharon McCrone, and I'm the executive director of the

21 Employment Opportunity and Training Center in Scranton,

22 and it may be more familiar to people as EOTC, and we

23 are a private non-profit-type serves the residents of

24 this city and have been doing so since 1986.

25 I want to thank the Council members for
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1 the opportunity, and to Mr. Saunders, for extending the

2 invitation, and also I hope for passing along copies of

3 the proposals that I submitted.

4 I just wanted to bring to the attention

5 of the Council members the two proposals that EOTC

6 submitted that are not among -- that are not included

7 in the community action plan, and one is for our

8 economic development project that is on the 4th and 5th

9 block of North 7th Avenue.

10 We are doing the first environmentally

11 sustainable renovation in downtown Scranton and

12 probably in all of Lackawanna County, and we made an

13 application. Most of the people of the 5,000 people or

14 so that will be served in this non-profit resource

15 center fit the economic development qualification, 51

16 percent low or moderate income, so we made two

17 proposals.

18 We prioritized the first one, which was

19 a request for funding for the economic development

20 project and for help in developing this non-profit

21 resource center and serving the families of Scranton,

22 and the second one that we did was for a Bridge

23 Employment Program.

24 Scranton has been one of seven cities

25 that was selected for a program called a transitional
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1 jobs project, and we are going to have the benefit of

2 technical assistance to create a model transitional

3 jobs program that will address folks in the city who

4 are -- who would normally not be eligible for other

5 programs and who you would probably be familiar with as

6 folks who fall through the cracks.

7 And we have asked that we would have

8 funds -- some support of funding for that project, as

9 well.

10 We have prioritized the project, the

11 economic development project, that is the building

12 renovation in Downtown Scranton, because as I said, it

13 is a renovation project that will actually bring our 46

14 employees under one roof and will have other

15 non-profits.

16 Ultimately what this will do is over

17 time it will allow us to consolidate services,

18 therefore, allowing more of the grants that we bring in

19 and more of the contributions that we bring in to go

20 directly to serving residents, rather than paying

21 leases and paying mortgages.

22 So, basically my presents here tonight

23 is just to ask you to consider those two proposals as

24 you are look at all of the plans that have been

25 submitted to you for the use of Community Development
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1 Block Grant funds. Thank you for your time.

2 MR. DIBILEO: Thank you. That's it for

3 the sign-in sheet, are there any other speakers?

4 MS. MARTIN: Hi, my name is Ann Martin,

5 I am a taxpayer, resident, disabled police officer. I

6 just would like to make a couple comments.

7 I live in the city's South Side, I

8 would like to make a comment to the woman who stated

9 that more people were moving into the cities Hill

10 Section and would like to say you're welcome, because I

11 was one of many police officers who helped clean the

12 Hill up night after night.

13 I also wanted to know that many people

14 had stated to me that the reason why they supported the

15 referendum was because the mayor had threatened to

16 raise the taxes if it wasn't followed through.

17 Regarding the debate at Scranton High,

18 I watched it at my home, because it's tough for me to

19 do a lot of things anymore, and I was infuriated when

20 Mr. Doherty stated that he respected workers of the

21 unions.

22 Let me give you a little history. I

23 had an accident while on duty with the police

24 department. Within two hours of the accident, I

25 finished out my day with a duty belt off at the
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1 magistrates office.

2 As time went by, trying to correct the

3 problem, I had my first back surgery, however, as time

4 went by and the mayor's changed apparently, my

5 well-documented case was not enough.

6 I was taken out of work for my second

7 surgery, and my surgeon gave the city four weeks to

8 have me seen by whoever they needed or wanted me to

9 see, instead my surgery was cancelled, and the reason

10 given was that the doctor retained by the city could

11 not see me in the time frame given.

12 Like I said, it was four weeks. I then

13 found out late -- I later found out that that reason

14 was illegal, and by the time I did get to have the

15 surgery, my back was totally different from the MRI

16 last taken.

17 Subsequently, because of the months

18 lost before the surgical hours needed, I gained a new

19 disease that I have to wait for the scientist and

20 doctors to catch up with me, so not only was I treated

21 tragically, I'm very, very upset from the direction of

22 City Hall and through PMA, I then was kicked in the

23 teeth that I was sent to collections because of the

24 city's responsibility to me.

25 While I'm sure there are a few that
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1 don't care about my problems and the city's

2 responsibility and obligations to its workers, however,

3 if this mayor stays in office, the next victim may be

4 your relative.

5 You have no idea what it takes out of

6 me to do anything, and I'm too young for this, and I

7 blame the leader of this city by the direction of his

8 lack of respect for the city workers. By the way, I'm

9 not Italian either. Have a good night.

10 MR. HEWITT: Good evening, Council. My

11 name is Larry Hewitt, Scranton resident. It's been

12 about three or four years since I've spoken here, but

13 after what happened today, I feel it's necessary.

14 Mayor Doherty claims crime is not on

15 the rise, well, I beg to differ. Let me refresh his

16 memory by reading some serious crimes reported by The

17 Scranton Times from March to October 2005.

18 March '05, crime wave in Green Ridge;

19 Green Ridge Crime Meeting, Mayor, police chief, a no

20 show; second Green Ridge meeting, police chief shows,

21 still no mayor; April '05, another burglary in Green

22 Ridge, Electric Street.

23 May '05, another burglary in Green

24 Ridge, Park Street, Ex-Councilman Murphy front page

25 news after chasing an alleged purse snacher, Times have
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1 camera ready for photo-op; May '05, another burglary in

2 Green Ridge, Capouse Avenue; May '05, drug arrest on

3 Stafford Avenue, still May of '05, purse snatching on

4 Willow Street, yeah, crime is down.

5 Another theft in Green Ridge on

6 Electric Street, road rage incident in Green Ridge,

7 resident pulls gun on Boulevard Avenue, gang violence

8 reported at Adams and Gibson, kidnapping attempt Green

9 Ridge Street and North Main Avenue, still May of '05,

10 drug bust reported, another drug bust reported, 400

11 block Hickory Street, burglary in Hill Section, 500

12 block North Irving Avenue, police chase, 500 block of

13 Madison Avenue, May -- or, yeah, still May of '05,

14 stabbing, Green Ridge, glad crime is down, stabbing

15 Cabrini Avenue, robbery, shooting Ash Street.

16 Still May of '05, car burglarized, car

17 chase in South Side, drug arrest, Green Ridge, Capouse

18 Avenue, burglary, East Mountain.

19 In June of '05, Garcia's Market robbed

20 in South Side, robbery in South Side, Maple Street,

21 still June, woman arrested North Main Avenue, North

22 Scranton, car theft North Scranton, drug raid, Harrison

23 Avenue, Hill Section, bank robbery, still June,

24 patrolman breaks hand while apprehending suspect on

25 Linden Street, Central City.
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1 Body discovered in Gorge, arrest made

2 in bank robbery Green Ridge Plaza Bank, bank robbery at

3 bank on Meadow Avenue, assault, drug possession at

4 Hilltop Manor, stabbing on Willow Street, man gets

5 prison term of five to fourteen years for tying up

6 girlfriend, beating, bounding gagging at apartment on

7 West Parker Street from January 4.

8 Still June of '05, burglary, Wood

9 Street, burglary Bryn Mawr Street, stolen steaks from

10 Garrity's, money used for drugs, drug arrest, Pittston

11 Avenue.

12 July, arson in Pine Brook, attempted

13 robbery, assault, Penn Avenue, 100 block, strong-arm

14 robbery, 1000 block of South Main Avenue, burglary at

15 1634 Capouse Avenue, Green Ridge, burglary on 1422-24

16 Academy Street, police find robber in rear apartment,

17 juvenile hit on head with skateboard, 100 block of Penn

18 Avenue, indecent assault of minors, 600 block of

19 Prescott Avenue, police pursuit ends with a crash at

20 Oak Street exit, souple threatened with a gun outside

21 the Hilton Hotel, burglary in Green Ridge, Ross Avenue,

22 theft on Vine Street, burglary in Hill Section, Master

23 Street.

24 Still July, local hip hop artist gets

25 jail time for selling crack cocaine, trouble in South
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1 Side, DA wants to close Tony and Mary's Bar, rape at

2 Connell Park, rape in Hill section, burglary at 235 W.

3 Parker Street, North Scranton, assault and burglary at

4 630 Moosic Street, South Side, Tony and Mary's closes

5 nuisance bar, Mayor get photo-op, Pine brook and

6 Central City sweeps result in five drug arrest, ten

7 warrants served, but crime in down right?

8 Murder on South Sumner Avenue in West

9 Side, man struck with sickle in the Hill Section, rape

10 of 15 year old girl in West Side, 712 North Bromley

11 Avenue, heroin drug bust, owner of Tony and Mary's

12 indicted on drug charges, heroin, coke and narcotics,

13 four from Philly get caught selling heroin in West

14 Side, 902 Luzerne Street, Apartment 1, Police ID

15 robbery suspect, rape at Nay Aug, on the local news,

16 but nothing in the paper, State Trooper attacked by a

17 gang at a West Side carnival, statutory rape of a girl

18 on Luzerne Street, crime's not down, folks.

19 We need a change. It was said here

20 that we need a strong mayor, one who is going to work

21 for all the people. Well, we need an honest mayor, and

22 that's why we need a change. Thank you.

23 MS. PILOSI: I really had no intentions

24 of speaking tonight, I was kind of tired, but I stayed

25 because I just couldn't leave without saying something.
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1 We are looking at these pictures of a

2 red truck with the towel, well, I drive down Lackawanna

3 Avenue myself, and I remember specifically seeing that

4 red McGregor truck there and thought nothing of it, and

5 guess what, it didn't have no towel hanging over the

6 doors.

7 I can't help but think that someone put

8 those towels over those doors for the purpose of

9 picture taking. I know crimes have happened in the

10 past on both sides. I know some names, too, but I'll

11 never say.

12 But, you know, pictures don't lie, but

13 picture takers do lie, and I wouldn't take it to be the

14 truth just because you have pictures of it. I say it

15 was a setup. I've seen the truck parked there before

16 without any towels on it.

17 And another thing I noticed that the

18 last couple of weeks we've been hearing readings from

19 the three-ring binder called The Scranton Constitution

20 According to Attorney Sheldon Rosenberg, all

21 garbage.

22 I don't know why he can't come here

23 himself and speak, well, I guess because he doesn't

24 live in Scranton, or why the speaker doesn't speak her

25 own words.
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1 It's crazy. Everybody else comes here

2 and says what they have to say and other people send a

3 messenger.

4 MS. EVANS: Mrs. Pilosi, do you have

5 documentation for what you're saying?

6 MS. PILOSI: No, but I know for sure

7 that's where it's coming from.

8 MS. EVANS: Well, what is the proof? I

9 mean, without the proof, I don't think we should be

10 making such statements.

11 MS. PILOSI: I know it to be the truth

12 from way back when this first started.

13 Anyhow, I want to remind everybody,

14 too, to vote on November the 8th. I don't want to take

15 up a lot of time. There's a lot of speakers in back of

16 me that also want to talk. All I'm saying is we need

17 to keep Scranton moving forward and keep Chris Doherty

18 in for another four years. Thank you.

19 MR. DIBILEO: Thank you, Violet. And

20 I have a little more information regarding the red

21 truck that I can share with you when we have time to

22 speak.

23 MS. BENZELESKI: My name is Beverly

24 Benzeleski, and I'm a citizen and taxpayer, and I live

25 in North Scranton. I wasn't going to come down until I
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1 saw young Mr. Miller speak today, and I just want to

2 state that I was a resident down at The Plot. I've

3 lived there all my life until 16 months ago, I lost my

4 home to the flood, which that doesn't matter.

5 I do have a mother down there that

6 lives four doors away from the Millers, and on the

7 flood Mr. Doherty did not come and comfort my mother.

8 She was by herself, no one knocked.

9 From FEMA, which I do appreciate, but

10 Mr. Doherty never comforted my mother, and she's

11 83-years-old. And it's very upsetting how he does

12 treat people.

13 And another incident, and I get very

14 upset about my mother was also a victim down in The

15 Plot with her home, and Mr. Doherty didn't comfort her

16 on that either, so where is he good for people here? I

17 don't think so.

18 And I just had to come down, like I

19 said. I was watching it tonight, and enough is enough.

20 And I thank you for speaking. And, Mr. DiBileo, I wish

21 you all the luck. Thank you.

22 MR. DIBILEO: Thank you very much.

23 MR. GONZALES: Good evening, Council.

24 Lisa, tremendous job, I know it's been a long night for

25 all of us. My name is Pedro Gonzales, I'm the
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1 president of the Scranton Latin Alliance.

2 I come here today to give thanks to all

3 the people that came to the meeting on the 27th. It

4 was on a Thursday. Council was adjourned, so most of

5 you guys cannot make it.

6 We have another meeting coming this

7 coming month, the 22nd, and again it's on a Tuesday, so

8 feel free, please. Excuse me, let me back up.

9 I am looking for volunteers for the ESL

10 program, a brand new program that we're starting,

11 thanks to Mercy Hospital, they have donated a block of

12 space for us at the hospital.

13 There's a conference room, we have

14 bulletin boards, we have chalkboards, we have students,

15 we need teachers, certified teachers, one hour of their

16 time is all we need. We're looking for at least 20

17 teachers. Anyone that's interested in volunteering, my

18 number is 504-4455, or please come down and sign up at

19 the store and address is 319 South Main. It's right

20 downtown across from Walgreen's. Most people are

21 familiar with that area.

22 MR. DIBILEO: What is the name of the

23 program?

24 MR. GONZALES: ESL Program, English as

25 a second language.
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1 MS. EVANS: Is this for adults?

2 MR. GONZALES: It is for adults, it's

3 not for children, it is for adults, strictly for

4 adults. I shouldn't say strictly for adults, anyone

5 who wants to learn English, is challenged in that area,

6 please come on down, we are happy to help, and it is a

7 free program.

8 Again, we are running a non-profit

9 organization. We are waiting on non-profit status. So

10 far so good. Everything is going quite well with

11 lawyers, I thank God for that.

12 Ms. Evans, I want to thank you for

13 being an inspiration for me. Back when I first came to

14 this city and I started going to all the neighborhood

15 association meetings and all the meetings around town

16 and I was pitching the idea of the skate park and

17 recreation centers and things for the kids, because

18 that's what I'm all about is helping the kids, being a

19 teacher myself, just like yourself, I want to thank you

20 for helping me, because they were going to chew me up

21 and spit me out that night.

22 I was brand new in town, and you talked

23 about helpingme with this, helping me with that, and

24 they did not want to hear it, and you stepped in and

25 helped me and I want to thank you. And this is why I'm
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1 here again today.

2 MS. EVANS: Thank you.

3 MR. GONZALES: As far as our present

4 mayor, I am not choosing sides, but he has said a lot

5 of things that are not true.

6 I am a resident of this city, I see a

7 lot of stuff. I am a taxpayer and a registered voter,

8 and some of the things are not true.

9 As far as feeling safer in the city,

10 no, I do not feel safe around this city. As far as the

11 police being at the top of this peak, no, they're not,

12 they're being cut, they're being shorthanded, a lot of

13 them are being fired, layed off, which is unfair

14 because these men put their lives on the line for us

15 every single day of the week, every single day of their

16 lives they're out there battling all these people out

17 here shooting drugs so forth and so on.

18 This is their job and they put their

19 lives on the line for us, and I think they should be

20 treated with way, way more respect than what they are

21 being treated right now.

22 As far as the fire department, same

23 thing, they're being reduced, if I'm not mistaken, they

24 are being cut, downsized, and these people come out,

25 you hear the speakers come here thanking the fire
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1 department for coming out and helping them with their

2 homes and so forth so on putting out the fires, but

3 also the humanity aspect of it, helping them with their

4 families and kids, packages, whatever the situation is.

5 These people don't deserve to be

6 treated that way either. I mean, these guys go in the

7 fire, they risk their lives for you every single day.

8 Everyone in this city, they risk their lives for us

9 every single day. They deserve the pension, they

10 deserve the benefits that they're fighting for, they

11 deserve more people on the force, more people on the

12 police force, more people on the fire department, and I

13 hope after the first of the year, because I think that

14 is when everything will actually start to really take

15 place, it unfolds in the city after the election, I

16 hope after the first that we can get together, City

17 Council, maybe Lisa Moran and some other people that

18 have the power to reinstate a test, I think that's how

19 it goes down, if I'm not mistake, the test has to be

20 stated and publicized in the newspaper, please come

21 down, take the test, and we're looking for more fire

22 people, fire department people or police department

23 people, is that correct? Anyone on Council know?

24 MR. COURTRIGHT: Pretty much.

25 MR. GONZALES: Pretty much, okay. I
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1 hope that by the first of the year, we can post that

2 again and maybe we could have some more Latinos join

3 the force, fire department, police department to bridge

4 that communication gap and to help that Latin person

5 that can't communicate with the American person or visa

6 versa, the American that cannot communicate with the

7 Latin person.

8 We need to bridge that gap in some

9 shape or form, and I think it will happen. I see it

10 happening in time with patience.

11 And as a resident of the city, I see

12 everything takes time little by little, but I'm a man

13 with a lot of patience, as you see I stayed here all

14 night, I was not leaving, and I thank you guys,

15 everyone here, for having the same type of patience I

16 have because this is what it's all about, being heard

17 and speaking, not going home sitting on the couch

18 looking at your T V. talking and complaining, but come

19 down here to do that. Next thing is --

20 MR. DIBILEO: Pedro, I'm going to have

21 to ask if you can come back next week with the

22 following thing

23 MR. GONZALES: All right. I just have

24 one more thing to say, and it's regarding November the

25 8th, everyone, please, if you have the power to vote
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1 and if you're registered to vote, please vote for

2 whatever candidate you wish to put in that chair.

3 Please come out and vote. There's many people that

4 don't have that right, a lot of Latin people do not

5 have that right to vote and they wish they did, and yet

6 there's people here that just don't appreciate the fact

7 that they can do it, and they have the right to do it,

8 and they don't exercise that right.

9 Less than half the people in the city

10 voted the last time around, if I'm not mistaken. We

11 all need to come out and vote, we need a change in this

12 city, and I think the people will speak on that date.

13 Again, My name is Pedro Gonzales,

14 President of the Scranton Latin Alliance. Thank you so

15 much for letting me express myself.

16 MR. KEELER: John Keeler, Orchard

17 Street, Scranton Pennsylvania, city resident and

18 taxpayer. I'd just like to say if you're going to hold

19 speakers here to the level of bringing up proof what

20 they are saying, this will be a 15-minute meeting.

21 The City of Scranton debt comparison,

22 as of October 27, 2005, from the Pennsylvania

23 Department of Community and Economic Development, debt

24 balances. Allentown, 106,000 people total debt, the

25 $140,000,000, Bethlehem, 71,000 people, total debt
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1 $213,000,000, Erie, 104,000 people, total debt

2 $207,000,000, Lancaster, 56,000 people, total debt,

3 $117,000,000, Reading, city of 81,207 people,

4 $135,000,000 in debt, Scranton, 76,415 people as of the

5 2000 census, is reported by the state, Department of

6 Community and Economic Development, as of October 27th,

7 the debt was $128,000,000.

8 Now, that's right here. So, as you can

9 see, it's not uncommon for municipalities the size of

10 Scranton to not leverage their revenue. That's exactly

11 what they are doing, they are leveraging their revenue

12 by borrowing. It's a common practice.

13 First of all, the gentleman eluded

14 before we do have a Triple B rating. Every issue prior

15 to that was non-rated. Every single one, the issue

16 that was done in 2003 created a Triple A because of the

17 insurance which created a savings which he would have

18 gone over more and more, as you think reasonable people

19 would get that by now.

20 As far as election contributors are

21 concerned, any contributor contributing more than

22 $50.01, actually more than $50.00, $50.01, needs to be

23 reported on the election reporting documentation. And

24 those reports are public information, they are not

25 private.
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1 Second of all, you mentioned Tripp Park

2 development, in what municipality is that located?

3 MR. DIBILEO: Scranton.

4 MR. KEELER: Okay. So by your sayingt

5 that the developer said that the investment there is

6 $150,000,000 makes some kind of a claim that that

7 doesn't add up to the $300,000,000 that Mayor Doherty

8 is claiming, even though it's in the city? I mean,

9 that is ridiculous.

10 Another thing that you said at the

11 debate about the crime, you mentioned three incidents,

12 all of which I am familiar with because one unfortunate

13 participant is a very good friend of mine, I happen to

14 speak to one today, young Paul McGloin, and they didn't

15 really appreciate the fact that those circumstances are

16 thrusted into this campaign.

17 MR. DIBILEO: I didn't mention names.

18 MR. KEELER: Yes, you did.

19 MR. DIBILEO: No, I did not .

20 MR. KEELER: You mentioned Farley's,

21 you mentioned Green Ridge.

22 MR. DIBILEO: No I didn't. I did not

23 say Farley's.

24 MR. KEELER: Yes, you did. You

25 mentioned the murder on Sumner Avenue, and you
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1 mentioned Farley's, and you mentioned the Green Ridge

2 beating.

3 MR. DIBILEO: Did I mention any names?

4 MR. KEELER: No. I did. I mentioning

5 names because --

6 MR. DIBILEO: He should be upset that

7 you're mentioning it now.

8 MR. KEELER: No, I asked him today. I

9 asked him today if it was okay with him if I did that.

10 I wouldn't do it, that's why I'm not mentioning the

11 other names.

12 MR. COURTRIGHT: Mr. Keeler, there is

13 more then on incident at Farley's. I don't know how

14 you can read Mr. DiBileo's mind and say that it was Mr.

15 McGloin.

16 MR. KEELER: I'm not.

17 MR. COURTRIGHT: Well, he never

18 mentioned his name, there was more than one incident at

19 Farley's.

20 MR. KEELER: Was there more than one

21 incident on Sumner Avenue?

22 MR .COURTRIGHT: I just want to leave

23 it at that.

24 MR. KEELER: Was there more than one

25 incident?
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1 MR. COURTRIGHT: I choose not to argue

2 with you.

3 MR. KEELER: Well, you won't talk to

4 Mr. Al Donohue, you know, and speaker after speaker

5 after speaker comes up here and gets feedback, negative

6 feedback from the Council members, and that's okay, or

7 they attack Mr. Pocius, and that's okay, or they attack

8 Mr. McTiernan, that's okay, Al Donohue, who asked you a

9 question, you tell him you don't want to answer him

10 because he is coming after you personally? What the

11 heck is that?

12 Another statement that was made at the

13 debate was about Buy Scranton First, that reminded me

14 so much of the Seinfeld episode when it was suggested

15 to Mayor Dickinson that he go out and put name tags on

16 everybody in New York City. Buy Scranton First, what

17 the heck? We don't live in an island. This city is --

18 we live in a region.

19 Buy Scranton First would be

20 extraordinary detrimental to the merchants in this

21 town. As a matter of fact, you mentioned that tax

22 which would be a generated million dollars from people

23 who live outside of the city that would pay that tax,

24 well, the heck, they wouldn't spend any money here then

25 if there was some sort of war going on between
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1 different municipalities.

2 We are -- this region is

3 interdependent, it's not -- we don't -- it's not a

4 unique situation here unilaterally. That's

5 unconscionable that somebody running for an office

6 would make a statement like that. That just blew me

7 away. I heard it on TV, I couldn't believe it. Thank

8 God Chris had the common sense to point out how

9 unsightly that would be.

10 And now I'll tell you another thing, it

11 was questioned here how anybody in this city could make

12 a decision to support Chris Doherty, it's the easiest

13 decision I've ever made because he has done what he

14 said he was going to do, he has restored the pride in

15 this city, he has created jobs, he has beautified the

16 parks, the East Market Bridge is fantastic, the gateway

17 of North Scranton, all the Providence Square Project is

18 out of this world, this man has done it.

19 We have waited our entire lives for a

20 mayor in the city to do what had to be done to do the

21 right thing simply because it was the right thing to

22 do.

23 We thought something would come up here

24 tonight, some sort of skit would take place, and all

25 you can come up with was a towel over a truck?
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1 I mean, this mayor has done more in

2 three and a half years than has ever been done in the

3 history of Scranton, and he's going to win because most

4 people in this city know that. Thank you very much.

5 MR. DIBILEO: Mr. Keeler, a couple

6 weeks ago I asked you a question, you said you didn't

7 know, does your company do business with the city?

8 MR. KEELER: I hope so, because doing

9 business with --

10 MR. DIBILEO: Still don't know?

11 MR. KEELER: No, I don't.

12 MR DIBILEO: Okay.

13 MR. KEELER: I could just tell you

14 this, doing business with this city would be a good

15 thing to do, because the city is on sound financial

16 footing. Thank you.

17 MR. DAVIS: I think that unity means

18 strength, and I'm hoping at the end of this election

19 this town, this city, will be a unified strength for

20 our kids. I don't see it happening. I'm waiting for

21 someone to say that.

22 I tell the people, they ask me who

23 should we vote for? Listen to what they're saying to

24 you, is this going to be inclusive? Are we going to

25 try to include everyone in this town, to move forward?
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1 Are we still going to have the specific set of people

2 that are going to move this town along and leave a lot

3 of people behind? This is my fear.

4 My fear is so much so that my kids are

5 being left behind already. Okay. Human relations

6 department people keep coming to me, and I say where do

7 we recommend, what do you recommended as far as where

8 do we complain about racial problems that we're

9 encountering when we go for renting homes and things

10 like that?

11 They have human relations, remember

12 that? The mayor -- people can't be found. I went to

13 -- where can I send these people? Send them to Mr.

14 Handley's Office, in UNC. Okay, that's the only office

15 they have, there's no budget for them. They don't have

16 a phone number for them, except someone's office.

17 Human relations, when it's run by a

18 city, it's there for a purpose. You don't send them to

19 UNC, you get results on what should be done, especially

20 if UNC has a problem, also.

21 Okay. We've been asked to read about

22 or talk about these things that are on the menu, as you

23 called it this afternoon in Jay's office, and in title,

24 6-A, I didn't see the background on this, because it

25 wasn't available at the time when I was in the office,
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1 I wanted to know what the administrative cost for

2 running this program is going to -- what is it

3 estimated at this point in time?

4 MR. SAUNDERS: 6-A?

5 MR. DAVIS: 6-A.

6 MR. SAUNDERS: That's not for

7 administrative costs, we're transferring money to the

8 Boy's Club from one project they have to another, it's

9 not an administrative --

10 MR. DAVIS: Whenever you transfer money

11 from one organization to another, on project to

12 another, there's got to be a writeup as far as what

13 administrative costs and the program costs should be;

14 in other words, I'm trying to say how much of this

15 money is going to reach the kids? How much of this

16 money is going to --

17 MR. SAUNDERS: I don't think any of it,

18 Mr. Davis. I'm not sure how much. I think it's for

19 construction.

20 MR. DAVIS: The retail program, you

21 don't know anything about it?

22 MR. SAUNDERS: No, I know about the

23 program, but I don't know how much money is actually

24 reaching out for the children.

25 MR. DAVIS. Okay. The next one I have
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1 is B. I wanted to know the demographics of the

2 persons reached again. I keep going back to

3 demographics, because when we get into the school

4 system we get these SSA results and things like that.

5 We see where there's a problem with

6 those that are minorities, but also those that are

7 economically disadvantaged, and those are the ones that

8 happen to have a higher rate of absenteeism.

9 They have a higher rate of decline, and

10 I want to know why because we should be doing something

11 as a stop gap to stop the gap that's occurring in our

12 society in our culture, in our city between those that

13 can afford to leave this town and find better jobs and

14 those who are going to be stuck here for the rest of

15 their lives.

16 With unemployment 17 percent for

17 non-whites, 17 percent, and whether the whites have

18 five percent and the majority of the people that live

19 in this town are whites, but yet the percentage of

20 unemployment is so nothing has been done over eight

21 years that I've been bringing this, this statistic to

22 you.

23 I have not heard the city say anything

24 about starting a CETA program for the kids in the

25 summertime to get that 17 to 24-year olds into a
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1 position where you can learn how to be a working man,

2 where you can learn the essence of working for a living

3 and learning maybe an upward value type of job working

4 within City Council, in city office.

5 We used to have this type of jobs, but

6 we haven't done anything recently, in the last eight

7 years. Okay. I went to a Reverend Irwin -- bible

8 study --

9 MR. DIBILEO: Mr. Davis, I think -- was

10 that --

11 MR. SAUNDERS: Yeah, that is five

12 minutes.

13 MR. DAVIS: I couldn't tell which one

14 it was.

15 MR. DIBILEO: Would you mind bringing

16 it back next week, please?

17 MR. DAVIS: Okay. One statement. He

18 taught a class on regression of pride and it was based

19 on Jonas' work, it's very interesting if you get a

20 chance, you get a bible, check it out. It's very --

21 it's well meaning, and I think it will take you a long

22 way in your conquest of the stars and the people of

23 doing the right thing.

24 MR. DIBILEO: Thank you very much.

25 And by the way, Mr. Davis, I spoke to School Director
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1 Joe Garvey about what you asked about last week, the

2 lights over at Northeast Intermediate, and he would be

3 in favor of keeping the lights on over there. So, if

4 you could follow up with him on it.

5 MR. DAVIS: Thank you very much. Now

6 we can't go on the playground because they got a sign.

7 MR. DIBILEO: That's something that

8 they'll have to double check with you.

9 MR. DAVIS: Okay. One step at a time.

10 Thank you.

11 MR. LYMAN: Raymond Lyman. I wasn't

12 going to come up here to speak, but I had to say

13 something.

14 Last week I was at the Giant and Mayor

15 Doherty was there campaigning, Ms. Evans, and Mr.

16 Doherty, he was, you know, he was there and he had some

17 of his supporters and there was, you know, there were a

18 few people who are Gary supporters, you know, and, you

19 know, he was passing out, you know, you know, he was

20 talking and I didn't even know he was there, because I

21 was shopping, and then all of a sudden I heard him

22 speaking, and first he was saying he's going to cut 35

23 firemen and he was going to cut about 30 policemen, and

24 then this is when I heard Mayor Doherty.

25 I turned around and I saw the mayor and
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1 he was with that Mr. Sallusti, I hope I'm pronouncing

2 his name right, you know the guy that came here and you

3 were, I'm not saying arguing, he was arguing with you,

4 remember, about the audit?

5 He was there, and he was saying with

6 the mayor -- he was talking with these people saying

7 now he's going to do with this -- I don't know if it's

8 going to be a commercial or what, but Mayor Doherty

9 with his supporters are now trying to say that he

10 didn't cause this debt, but it's you and Gary DiBileo

11 that caused it, some kind of stupid ridiculous -- I

12 know it's ridiculous, but, you know how these Doherty

13 supporters are. I mean, it's stupid.

14 MR. DIBILEO: All right. Let's change

15 the subject.

16 MR. LYMAN: I know, Gary, I know, and I

17 actually didn't fight with the mayor, but a discussion

18 with the mayor about this I said, It's ridiculous, and

19 you caused this debt, admit to it, I said to him.

20 And I even heard him say that he is

21 going to prioritize the DPW, and if Sam Vitris is

22 hearing me, I'm not a liar.

23 MR. DIBILEO: Okay.

24 MR. LYMAN: I heard the mayor, there

25 were 15 other people. I don't know who these other
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1 Gary supporters were.

2 MR. DIBILEO: You may have heard it

3 wrong, so I don't know --

4 MR. LYMAN: No, it came from Mayor

5 Doherty's lips.

6 MR. DIBILEO: Let's go to something

7 else anyway.

8 MR. LYMAN: Now, I got his letter today

9 in the mail, now this came from Senator Mellow,

10 Kanjorski, Mike Washo, it came from Paul Kanjorski, and

11 also from all these other democrats, and also from Bill

12 Scranton, a Republican, supporting Chris Doherty, and I

13 actually wrote Senator Mellow, because I was at the

14 Genetti's when Senator Mellow said, and I'll quote

15 this, that he'll do his best to shut these meetings

16 down of City Council.

17 MR. DIBILEO: Ray, we --

18 MR. LYMAN: I know--

19 MR. COURTRIGHT: Mr. Pocius got a

20 letter and he said he is not interested--

21 MR. LYMAN: He lied to you.

22 MR. COURTRIGHT: You can't say that.

23 MR. LYMAN: He lied to you. I was

24 there with senior citizens, and he said that he will

25 shut this down.
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1 MR. COURTRIGHT: You can't say that,

2 Ray.

3 MR. LYMAN: He said it.

4 MR. COURTRIGHT: Ray, you can't say

5 that.

6 MR. DIBILEO: Ray, you got to go to

7 another topic.

8 MR. LYMAN: I'll go to another topic.

9 I wrote a letter to him. I don't know when he's going

10 to write back to me, but I wrote a letter to him why 61

11 is only running this Sunday, 61. 61 gave me some kind

12 of bullshit --

13 MR. DIBILEO: Okay. All right. Go sit

14 down, Ray. I'm sorry.

15 MR. LYMAN: Okay. I'm sorry for using

16 that word.

17 MR. DIBILEO: No. Come back next week

18 and maybe we will let you start over again.

19 MR. LYMAN: They gave me an excuse that

20 these meetings were long, well, the Throop meeting was

21 almost four hours, they ran it, they ran it four days

22 in a row or more.

23 MR. DIBILEO: Next speaker, please.

24 MR. CALI: How are you doing? My name

25 is Dave Cali, I'm twenty-years-old, and I'm a citizen
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1 of Scranton. I wish that gentleman stuck around a

2 little while, he just spoke a couple minutes ago.

3 I'm not going to say his name, but he

4 said that we should be happy with the production our

5 mayor has done for the past three and a half years,

6 well, if the mayor came out and said I'm going to raise

7 taxes, I'm not going to tend to the needs of certain

8 people in the city, then I would have said, Sure, he's

9 done a great job for the past three and a half years,

10 but that's not the case, in fact, he's raised our wage

11 taxes, he hasn't done what he said he's going to do.

12 I haven't seen -- I would love to see

13 the 500 roads that he paved, and I'd also love to know

14 why he's building a new police station when he cut

15 20 percent of police force.

16 And I'd also like to know why he's

17 cutting the firemen, but most importantly the police

18 force. Obviously we could see that the crime in

19 Scranton is going up. We had that shooting today in

20 front of West Scranton in front of the intermediate,

21 was it, in front of West Scranton High School, and

22 there's several other things that we have had going on

23 in the past few months.

24 The crime rate isn't good in Scranton.

25 I don't know where he's getting his information from
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1 but it's definitely not going down, and it doesn't help

2 to cut the police force, it doesn't help at all, and we

3 spent millions of dollars in building this new police

4 station, and I don't understand if you're going to keep

5 cutting these policemen. It doesn't make sense to

6 start building new buildings.

7 Speaking of building new buildings,

8 where are these new businesses that he's bringing in?

9 I haven't seen them. When are they going to start

10 building them, next week? I mean, this is getting out

11 of control.

12 And what about the Hilton's

13 foreclosure? Somebody bought it, yes, but, you know,

14 it did go under. And these two parking lots that he

15 built aren't even built yet, so I mean, there's still a

16 lot of things that he's saying that just aren't making

17 too much sense.

18 And the education, he spoke about

19 education, too, well, I just don't know where he's

20 getting his education knowledge from about the City of

21 Scranton, I don't know where he's getting his

22 information from that the crime in Scranton has gone

23 down.

24 It's just another four years with our

25 current mayor, God knows where the city will stand.
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1 Not even as far as, you know, business and the police

2 are concerned, but it's not just the concern of myself

3 and my family, what about everybody that lives in the

4 city?

5 If the wage taxes, if the taxes goo up

6 in this city, there's going to be more people that are

7 going to be financially unstable, and do we honestly

8 need that here?

9 I mean, I'm not embarrassed to live in

10 Scranton, I'm very proud of where I come from, very

11 proud, and for him to say that he's restoring the pride

12 of Scranton, no.

13 Scranton has always had pride, always.

14 I don't know why he's talking about restoring the pride

15 of Scranton. There's things maybe he's trying to fix,

16 but maybe he should have worded that properly. There's

17 no restoring any pride in Scranton. We have a lot of

18 pride. So, that will be all thank you.

19 MR. DIBILEO: Thank you.

20 MS. VUTNOSKY: Good evening,

21 Council, Fran Vutnosky, North Main Avenue, North

22 Scranton. Normally I come here to talk -- I usually

23 just speak from my heart, but tonight I have a little

24 presentation, and I'm really happy about it, it's good

25 news. I think it's good news.
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1 It's entitled South Side Complex

2 emergency petition for injunctive relief. The legal

3 road for the residents and taxpayers has been a very

4 long and had fight to keep the complex in the hands of

5 the people, where it belongs, has been a fierce battle

6 between the people and the lawyer for the city,

7 Attorney Carl Greco.

8 The emotional roller coaster for the

9 residents and taxpayers has been, to say the least,

10 sometimes too much to bear after suffering one legal

11 defeat and setback after another.

12 As determined, as Mayor Doherty was to

13 sell the kids' baseball fields to the University of

14 Scranton and as adamant as the University was to take

15 it away from the kids, the determination of the

16 residents and taxpayers was just as dedicated to the

17 loyalty that owed to staying the course and fighting

18 the fight in the best interest of the kids.

19 At risk was losing an entire sports

20 complex that has been the home for a wide variety of

21 sports programs, not just for the many youth groups

22 that relied upon it, but also for several adult

23 leagues.

24 The complex was without question a

25 staple in the lives of thousands of children who
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1 socially benefited from sports participation where they

2 built healthy minds and bodies made lifelong friends

3 and created memories to reflect upon their lives.

4 No child should have that critical part

5 of growth development stolen from them, but Mayor

6 Doherty unethically saw it fit to do just that, and for

7 the benefit of his friends and business customer, a

8 University whose worth exceeds $200,000,000 and who

9 could buy land anywhere to accommodate their sports

10 needs.

11 The complex is legally designated as a

12 formally excepted public park, because of that

13 designation there are trust laws attached to it's

14 existence, as well as attached to it being maintained

15 forever as a public park.

16 The City of Scranton was the trust in

17 care of the complex for over 30 years until it was

18 inappropriately transferred over to the Scranton

19 Redevelopment Authority by Mayor Doherty and the rubber

20 stamp Council, excluding Mr. DiBileo.

21 It was transferred because property

22 sold by the S.R.A. does not have to be bid, therefore,

23 when the S.R.A. improperly negotiated with the

24 University of Scranton to buy it, there were no

25 competitive bidders.
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1 The trust laws that apply to the

2 complex are very complicated, which is why the legal

3 battles were laden with one controversial issue after

4 the other. There were legal loopholes within the trust

5 laws that allowed the city's lawyer, Attorney Carl

6 Greco, to defeat one attempt after the other to stop

7 the sale, however with each legal battle, one loophole

8 after the other was sewn up by the residents and

9 taxpayers fighting the fight.

10 The goal of the residents and taxpayers

11 was to come to a legal position where all of the legal

12 loopholes were eliminated and that finally a petition

13 could be put before the court that would ultimately

14 provide for the sale the complex to finally be voided

15 so the people could resume its rightful ownership.

16 The ultimate goal was to go before the

17 court with an emergency petition for injunctive relief

18 that would operate to fend off any and all legal

19 challenges by the City of Scranton and to finally void

20 the sale. That was a formidable task.

21 The legal process involving emergency

22 petition for injunctive relief is two fold. First it

23 includes an order to be issued by the court for an

24 emergency hearing to stop the sale and second the

25 actual petition for injunctive relief that holds within
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1 it all of the legal grounds necessary to satisfy the

2 court that the petition would be successful.

3 In essence when the court reviews the

4 petition, unless it is comprised of the sound legal

5 grounds to be successful, the court will find it

6 improper to issue an order for an emergency hearing to

7 interrupt the action of others, therefore the issuance

8 of an order by court to -- emergency hearing to be

9 scheduled immediately amounts to the court

10 acknowledging that finally the loopholes are closed and

11 legal grounds have been presented to the court that

12 satisfies it that the sale of the complex was illegal

13 and the sale should be voided.

14 At approximately 9:30 this morning.

15 Judge James Walsh was presented with an emergency

16 petition for injunctive relief in motion court

17 requesting that a hearing be scheduled immediately.

18 The emergency petition for injunctive

19 relief would have to be comprised of sound legal

20 grounds to show that the sale was in fact unlawful and

21 illegal before an order for an emergency hearing could

22 be issued.

23 The judge listened as the sound legal

24 grounds were established for him and forthwith issued

25 an order that an emergency hearing be scheduled on the
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1 matter.

2 We are confident that by the

3 affirmative actions of the court this morning and the

4 content of this latest petition for injunctive relief

5 that on November 16, 2005. The hard and diligent work

6 of the residents and taxpayers will pay off and the

7 sale of the complex will finally and properly be voided

8 and justice shall be served upon Mayor Doherty and the

9 University of Scranton.

10 And I just want to say in closing that

11 I have before me an order that was signed today as of

12 November the third by Judge Walsh. There will be --the

13 hearing will be held November 16th at 9:30 in the

14 morning at Judge Walsh's courtroom, and I am so happy

15 because we are finally getting somewhere with this.

16 We aren't losing that South Side

17 Complex. If I have to lay in the middle of it and

18 you'll have to drag me away, but I will -- I'm

19 determined.

20 And I just want to say thank you to

21 Chris Phillips, my Attorney and Chris's attorney,

22 Attorney Paul Walker, and also Mr. Joseph Pilchesky who

23 has gone to court, and he is the one that got this

24 emergency petition for us. And thank you so much, Mr.

25 Pilchesky, and all the people that helped us.
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1 Mrs. Evans, Mr. DiBileo and Mr.

2 Courtright, thank you so much.

3 MR. MUSTI: Good evening, Council. I

4 haven't been here in quite some time. My name is Chris

5 Musti, I live over on Hampton Street in Scranton,

6 Former Scranton School Director, retired PA State

7 Constable, and currently a real estate investor

8 basically investing in Scranton and Lackawanna and

9 Luzerne Counties.

10 A couple questions I have this evening

11 regarding is debt. Mrs. Evans, how much currently are

12 we in debt in the city right now?

13 MS. EVANS To the best of my

14 knowledge, a total long-term debt figure is

15 $204,000,000.

16 MR. MUSTI: $204,000,000.

17 MS. EVANS: However, the mayor is on

18 record stating that he intends to borrow additional

19 millions next month in order to fill his budget holes

20 for next year.

21 MR. MUSTI: When Mayor James

22 Connor's left office, what was, where were we

23 financially at that point?

24 MS. EVANS: I believe that in

25 December 2001, Mayor Connor's administration had gifted
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1 the new administration with $2.9 million. Now, not

2 cash, but on paper.

3 MR. MUSTI: So, we weren't in the

4 red, we were in the black.

5 MS. EVANS: We were in the black,

6 yes, sir.

7 MR. MUSTI: All right. And another

8 thing I'd like to speak about is Mayor Doherty

9 mentioned last week at the debate, unless I'm wrong,

10 what would be one of his main priorities when he took

11 mayor the second term regarding what part of town would

12 he like to focus on first, and he said, that his

13 concentration would be on South Scranton, well, I think

14 if I'm right, and he said that, then I think he missed

15 the boat on the South Side Complex, which has a lot to

16 do with lower Bellvue and South Scranton.

17 So, I think he missed the boat, and at

18 the same time I think we were sold out to one of his

19 business associates, the University of Scranton.

20 The next issue I would like to cover is

21 crime. I was here many, many years ago when

22 Councilman Pocius, maybe you were in your second term,

23 Councilman Pocius, third term, when the patrolman

24 Anthony Crapella, Rich Rossi, many other cops walked

25 the beat back in West Scranton and I felt very safe as
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1 a child growing up in West Scranton, and then they were

2 going to take them off the street, and I think for a

3 period of time they did, and I came here many, many

4 times to fight to keep them back on the street.

5 Eventually they were put back on the

6 street. At that point I felt very safe and secure

7 walking up and down the city streets. Now I don't

8 because of the bicycle cops and the cops walking the

9 beat has once again been taken off the street.

10 That needs to be restored. And I

11 believe under Gary DiBileo's watch as the new mayor of

12 Scranton that will be done.

13 The other issue I would like to talk

14 about is a police station. This evening I was leaving

15 a local cigar shop actually headed to South Scranton to

16 drop a friend of mine off, and on the way we drove by

17 the new police station because he wanted to see it, he

18 was amazed that the juvenile division was not placed in

19 the new police station, we put all the money in the new

20 police station, and they still have to be up in the

21 Hill Section in the office up there.

22 There is where there's a will there's a

23 way. If this mayor wanted to put the juvenile police

24 officers down there, he could have did that. In real

25 estate, in no matter what you do in life, I've learned
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1 one thing, if you want to do something, if you're

2 willing to do something, you will do something.

3 And that leads to the next thing,

4 cooperation between the mayor and City Council and the

5 school board is important, as well.

6 When you're the mayor, you should be at

7 Council meetings, you should be at school board

8 meetings, you should be at neighborhood meetings.

9 This mayor has not been seen at any of

10 those meetings, okay? When I was a school director and

11 Mr. McTiernan worked for me, I used to go over Mr.

12 McTiernan's office, okay, to see Mr. McTiernan, see how

13 everything is going, I used to visit neighborhood

14 schools, I used to go to neighborhood meetings, I used

15 to be actively involved. I was involved with all

16 ranges of government.

17 You have to have cooperation. And this

18 mayor by not cooperating with the City Council, you're

19 not going to get things done.

20 That's why I am endorsing Gary DiBileo

21 for mayor, and I could tell you over here, Gary,

22 there's a picture, and there's the opening there,

23 that's where Mayor Doherty is going next. Thank you.

24 MS. SLACK: Good evening, Council. My

25 name is Betty Slack, a West Sider. I, too, received
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1 two letters actually, mine is promising to do, continue

2 doing good work in Scranton and all this, so, you know,

3 it's just another one of those promises that you never

4 receive.

5 I do have a question tonight, though,

6 my question is, My son, who is going to be 14, and he's

7 really excited about getting his working papers, now,

8 the taxes that a 14-year-old would pay when they get a

9 job, is that the same as an adult? Could anybody

10 answer that question?

11 Because I'm really wondering this. I

12 don't want to see my son pay the debt for Mayor Doherty

13 turning 14> why is he going to start working paying

14 someone else's debt? He didn't even create his own

15 yet.

16 MS. EVANS: That's very true, but he's

17 unfortunately been saddled with it for the next 28

18 years of his life.

19 MS. SLACK: Okay. Well, because,

20 like, we only have a few choices, you know, if my son

21 indeed has to pay the same as everyone else. And those

22 choices would be not to get a job. Move out of

23 Scranton, or not take the bait.

24 On November the 8th, get out and vote,

25 vote for change, for our children. Children are our
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1 future, and our children should not be paying off the

2 mayor's debt. Our children should not start a working

3 career and paying off Mayor Doherty's debt.

4 I think we need to get out there and

5 vote on November 8th. Vote for change. Vote for red

6 and blue. That's all I have to say, because I'm

7 nervous.

8 MR. DIBILEO: Thank you.

9 MR. GERVASI: Good evening, ladies and

10 gentlemen. My name is Dave Gervasi, I am a resident,

11 homeowner, taxpayer and a member of the Scranton Fire

12 Department.

13 Before I get into what I was going to

14 speak about, there was some questions earlier on, and I

15 kind of knew about this because we heard The Scranton

16 Times, which I consider a political campaign arm of the

17 Doherty Administration, we heard there was going to be

18 -- they're looking for addresses and names of people so

19 they can go to financial campaign, financial reports

20 and see if cops and fireman are donating money to

21 certain campaigns, and I just want to read the

22 Pennsylvania Civil Service guidelines for political

23 activity, the ones that are important.

24 We can register to vote any election.

25 We can express an opinion as an individual privately or
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1 publicly on political subjects and candidate. We can

2 display political pictures, stickers, badges, buttons,

3 while not on duty, and at locations, other then our

4 work place.

5 We can participate in non-partisan

6 activities, civic communities, social, labor,

7 professional organizations. We may be a member of a

8 political party, we may attend political conventions,

9 but not as a delegate, and we can put sign, a political

10 petition, and we can make financial contributions to a

11 political party or organization.

12 If the city has any problem with this,

13 I'll be happy to walk them down to the federal

14 courthouse to defend my members and their rights to

15 engage in the political process. We are not second

16 class citizens.

17 The other, and I will say that I do

18 have Mr. Doherty's campaign financial reports in front

19 of me, and I have yours, Mr. DiBileo, in front of me,

20 and there are numerous names of firefighters, in your

21 campaigns, because I know a lot of people went to your

22 breakfast and you had another rally, and when we

23 bought, purchased the tickets to go to those rallies,

24 they end up on your campaign finance report.

25 This is Mayor Doherty's campaign
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1 finance reports, And this is Mayor DiBileo, maybe I'm

2 jumping the gun here, Councilman DiBileo's campaign

3 finance reports.

4 I did a little study of these, because

5 frankly I felt I have been coming here for three and a

6 half years telling you about lies and deceit and all

7 the fudged numbers and misinformation that has been

8 thrown about the fire department and police department

9 unions and things in general, I'm not talking about any

10 of those subjects tonight.

11 Tonight I am going to bring you factual

12 information from my study of these two campaign finance

13 reports. And what I've come up with is something I

14 think that people should be aware of.

15 This is all public information, but I

16 don't think the residents of the City of Scranton can

17 go down to the voter registration office and obtain

18 that's so everyone knows who is giving what to who.

19 I've been saying this, pay to play

20 system. Tonight I am not going to mention any

21 individual's names, unless they are public officials,

22 and I'm not going to try to embarrass anyone.

23 I just want to give some facts and

24 figures of who gives to who and for what reason.

25 According to financial reports of Mayor
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1 Doherty, from January 1st of this year to October 24th,

2 which is the third quarterly report they sent in, he

3 has raise $784,127 in campaign contributions. Mr.

4 DiBileo has raised $297,557 in campaign contributions.

5 The interesting part about this is

6 where these campaign contributions come from. I broke

7 this down between people who are residents of the

8 City of Scranton and can vote for candidates and

9 non-residents from outside of the city that cannot vote

10 for the candidates.

11 The Scranton contributors to

12 Mayor Doherty's campaign equals $255, 865 or

13 35.4 percent of all the money he raised came from

14 outside the city, from inside the city. From outside

15 the city $467,310 or 64.6 percent of all the money he

16 raised came from outside of the city.

17 Mr. DiBileo's $266,252, came from city

18 contributions, city residents which made up the

19 90.6 percent of your campaign contributions, and

20 outside of the city $31,405 which was the 9.4 percent

21 of all of your campaign contributions came from outside

22 of the city. Stark contrast.

23 I've been told that Mayor Doherty may

24 raise up to or close to a million dollars and with

25 64 percent of the people from outside of the city, why
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1 would you spend a million dollars to obtain a $50,000 a

2 year job? And why is the vast majority of your money

3 being raised from outside of the city from people who

4 can't even vote for you? Makes you wonder.

5 Another few interesting things I saw in

6 the campaign finance reports. Mr. DiBileo, sorry to

7 say this, but campaign volunteers, it seems you didn't

8 pay anyone to work in your campaign, other than, your

9 media people and whoever did your radio things.

10 But according to Mr. Doherty's

11 campaign, he paid a family member $18,000 this year to

12 work his campaign of campaign contributions that were

13 given to him. He also hired his own company, a family

14 owned company, and paid $17,384.06 of campaign

15 contributions to a family member's company.

16 They talk about The Scranton Times, I

17 can understand why maybe Mr. Doherty gets favorable

18 editorials, because the Scranton Times frankly is a

19 business.

20 Mr. DiBileo spent $15,523.60 on

21 advertisements, and Doherty spent $71,997.94. PAC

22 funds, donations from PAC funds, PAC funds are

23 Political Action Committees or whatever organizations,

24 different political people, PAC funds for Mayor Doherty

25 to the totals $55,250, PAC funds for Mr. DiBileo total
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1 $9,780.

2 A couple interesting notes I have, who

3 donated, labor attorneys, which are costs for labor,

4 legal fees, fighting his illegal, as far am I'm

5 concerned, recovery plan, which he's going to lose in

6 court, is up over $800,000 in legal fees, but the

7 lawyers I can understand they must be making a lot of

8 money because there were very generous.

9 One lawyer gave $2,000 to the campaign,

10 one lawyer gave $2,500 to the campaign, one lawyer gave

11 $6,000 to the campaign, and another lawyer gave $9,000

12 this year, but I can say, he's a paid person.

13 Attorney Carl Greco has given $15,700

14 to the mayor's campaign. Not a bad return when you

15 made close to three quarters of a million on city

16 taxpayer' money.

17 And just to finish the publishers of

18 The Scranton Times, if you're wondering if they are

19 bias or if they have any kind of favoritism, I guess

20 they want to protect their investment, so far family

21 members of the Lynetts have donated over $11,000 to

22 mayor's campaign.

23 And after it was shown here last week

24 that they did make contributions, which people think

25 might not be the best thing to do for a one newspaper
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1 town, they also made $3500 more in donations since it

2 was exposed that they do donate to one candidate, not

3 the other. Thank you very, very much for my

4 opportunity to speak.

5 MR. MAIER: Don Maier. Members of

6 Council, on this wall behind me, six of the last seven

7 mayors up there, and I was appointed to Scranton Fire

8 Department in second of January 1960 by Mayor Hanlon.

9 After that I worked under Mayor Walsh, under Gene

10 Peters, and under Gene Hickey, under Dave Wenzel, and I

11 worked for several fire chiefs, and I would never

12 embarrass them by coming before a Council and going

13 through how much the mayor spent to get elected in all

14 those years.

15 Now, I might be wrong, but I don't

16 think it's any of the public's business. Gary, you

17 published a financial statement, a year ago you had me

18 down for a donation to your campaign, and Janet, you

19 did, too. I'm not ashamed with that, I give what I can

20 give. Gary, you've been my insurance man for how many

21 years, as soon as you started business?

22 MR. DIBILEO: A long time.

23 MR. MAIER: We've been friends, but

24 I'm sorry, this time I got a different horse. John, I

25 watched tonight when you gave a description of the
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1 paving at night, up East Mountain Road. I remember as

2 a youngster going to Philadelphia when I first started

3 seeing the paving at night on Broad Street in

4 Philadelphia. I thought it was a good idea then, and I

5 think it's a good idea now.

6 What I came hear tonight especially to

7 speak of what Mr. Osborne came to talk about, the

8 pension fund.

9 I have been retired 18 years, Scranton

10 Fire Department, worked with your dad, John, and I've

11 never missed a pension check, and I don't know where

12 all of this problem is coming up about the pension

13 fund.

14 What I do know is this, Terry Osborne

15 followed me in between Harvey Applegate and Richy Pica

16 as the deputy chief of fire department. When I was the

17 deputy chief, and I trained him, I trained Terry

18 Osborne when he came on the job.

19 I didn't spend the city's money sending

20 him down to Philadelphia to school down there that they

21 don't learn any more, then I taught him up in Nay Aug

22 Park. And I'm here tonight to say, yes, maybe the Fire

23 Department does need a reorganization, but it doesn't

24 need a reduction in the manpower.

25 It just means why buy a half million
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1 dollar fire truck to put two men on it, when they can

2 buy one truck instead of four and put the equivalent of

3 men that the national association of firefighters

4 represent that recommends that they be on the fire

5 truck.

6 And the day is coming, and it's as sure

7 as we're sitting and standing here tonight, the fire

8 department has to be re-organized.

9 And it won't be by putting a new

10 ambulance division in there's, that was the biggest

11 drain on manpower they ever had when we had the

12 ambulance division. Let me say this to Mr. Osborne,

13 keep the pension checks coming. Thank you.

14 MR. DiBileo: Thank you, Mr. Maier.

15 MR. HAYES: Good evening, Ray Hayes,

16 Director of Public Safety, 2637 Cedar Avenue, Scranton.

17 I come here tonight, Mr. President and Council members,

18 to invite everyone and Council members, all elected

19 officials, city employees, citizens of the City of

20 Scranton to the grandopening -- or the open house

21 rather of the police station which will take place this

22 Saturday from ten until two for police officers and

23 their families, retired police officers and their

24 families and widows and children of police officers who

25 have passed on prior years.
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1 Sunday we'll have the station open for

2 the general public. I believe it's from one to three,

3 all right?

4 As you'll see when you get there, we

5 really want everyone to come out, it is a labor of

6 love. The police department put a lot of effort in and

7 we've been working on it for two years, so we're very

8 proud of it.

9 Another point I would like to make is

10 that when you go there, you'll see that it's not fully

11 operational and there is no furnishings in there at

12 this time.

13 That was done intentionally, because

14 it's a secure facility and we can't have people and

15 children running around in there with firearms and

16 things of that nature, so we thought it the best way to

17 do it would be before the furniture comes in, which

18 will be probably be some time next week, and we hope to

19 be operational, and I'm saying maybe around

20 Thanksgiving.

21 Another thing I'd like to mention, and

22 we worked very hard on this, excuse me, the historical

23 society curated from Steamtown, members of the police

24 department, retired members, we've been trying to put

25 memorabilia and artifacts together to create a museum
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1 type display case in the foyer.

2 The retirees were asking for anything

3 they may have, we will give them attribution and placed

4 in the cases saying who it is on loan from. They

5 really are the living history of the Scranton Police

6 Department. They have a very proud history and we're

7 hoping to get as much memorabilia as possible.

8 In the future what we plan on doing is

9 creating an actual memorial area out in front of the

10 police station where we can honor those that have

11 passed on in years and who have lost their lives in the

12 line of duty.

13 So, I invite everyone to please come

14 out and have an opportunity, because after that day you

15 really won't be able to get in, unless of course you

16 come in the back way and visit the cell portion of the

17 hotel, or as they say, the crowbar hotel.

18 I would just like to mention one thing,

19 and I really don't mean it on a negative note, so

20 please don't take it that way, because I really wanted

21 to keep everything positive tonight, there's been talk

22 about and it was mentioned a couple times tonight, and

23 they are valid questions about why the juvenile unit is

24 not housed within the police department, in fact, we

25 have a juvenile officer who comes here on a regular
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1 basis and asks that question, if you look, first of

2 all, space constraints were an issue because we all

3 wanted a bigger home in our lives, but we can only

4 afford so much, so you try and do the best with what

5 you can.

6 So, we looked at the different

7 components and the juvenile division, and the juvenile

8 officer who comes here weekly knows this. Juvenile Act

9 says that children and adults should not be in the same

10 atmosphere, all right, whether it's juvenile justice

11 system, I mean, the court system, the Juvenile Court

12 and the adult court is separate.

13 Juvenile probation and adult probation

14 are separate, as is the Lackawanna County Prison and

15 Juvenile Detention. They don't house them in the same

16 place.

17 So, the philosophy is that you do not

18 house juveniles with adults. The other portion is the

19 training area right now we are trying to be cost

20 effect. The city can only really afford one training

21 area for the police and the fire.

22 What we are going to do is, we are

23 going to completely remodel the one we have at city

24 hall where both the police and fire departments can use

25 the one training center.
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1 So, that's the rationale for not

2 bringing everyone in under the one umbrella, it's not

3 to discriminate against one particular unit. I mean

4 everyone is important, and I just wanted to try to

5 clear that.

6 So, again, please come out if you have

7 an opportunity. It's a beautiful facility. The men

8 and women in the police department truly deserve it.

9 And thank you for your time. Are there any questions?

10 MR. COURTRIGHT: Yes, one question. I

11 just heard not too long before I came here today that

12 Lieutenant Mackey and Captain Graziano went on the

13 internet and found free furniture for the City of

14 Scranton, an insurance company that was going out of

15 business so we got to take all their furniture?

16 MR. HAYES: What we did was, you're in

17 the ballpark there, Councilman, what they did was they

18 found -- there's -- I'd rather not name the place, but

19 there was a place that was leaving the city that found

20 it would be more cost effective not to take the

21 furnishings with them.

22 So, not only Scranton, but there was

23 other agencies that acquired some of the furnishings.

24 What we did was we took selective things that would be

25 used in the police department and the other things that
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1 we were able to take, which were chairs and desks and a

2 lot of equipment will be used in the new training room,

3 so yeah, that's --

4 MR. COURTRIGHT: So, we got

5 something for nothing.

6 MR. HAYES: Absolutely. Great

7 stuff, too. So, good point you bring up. Thank you.

8 MR. COURTRIGHT: All right> thanks.

9 MR. HAYES: Any other questions?

10 Thank you all for your time. I appreciate it.

11 MR. DIBILEO: Thank you.

12 MR. ANCHERANI: Good evening. Well,

13 I don't know if it's evening anymore, but I am Nelson

14 Ancherani, Scranton resident, taxpayer and a member of

15 the FOP, And I'm the juvenile Officer that Mr. Hayes

16 was speaking about.

17 I will get right into that part

18 then. The first new police headquarters will be open

19 shortly, only problem it wasn't built big enough to fit

20 the entire department in it.

21 Juvenile unit, training unit will not,

22 it will be located at city hall. So, instead of being

23 scattered at several sites, we'll be scattered at two

24 sites.

25 We finally found out why the police
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1 department won't be in one building, budget

2 constraints. This is really strange, considering all

3 the money that was borrowed over the last three years.

4 Notice where the budget constraints

5 come, public safety. Maybe if the building was built

6 in Nay Aug, the police department wouldn't suffer under

7 budget constraints.

8 In the past four years this has to be

9 the first time I heard that mentioned. But there was

10 money for the green fishpond at Nay Aug and TVs for the

11 monkeys.

12 While I am at it about the police

13 building, I wonder if any of the planners thought about

14 patrol cars getting into Central City from the new

15 building on an emergency call, especially when a train

16 is stopped over the roadway railroad cars are being

17 dropped off or picked up in Chamberlain's court.

18 I have to remind them that in '03,

19 that's August of '03, DPW Complex estimates rises $4.7

20 million instead of $3 million that they budgeted. No

21 budget constraints for them.

22 Also, the new building could have had a

23 door and an office built into it where they couldn't

24 get into the other parts of the building. We now take

25 juveniles downstairs in our police department, also.
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1 That argument shoots that argument down.

2 Mr. Narsavage is here just to touch on

3 your concerns. There's federal law that mandates that

4 in order for any students' information could be

5 released, the school principal must be the written

6 permission from that former student to release it.

7 Also, in answer to Valerie, In May of

8 '03, Scranton was called a business burnout by Forbes

9 Magazine. I also have a City of Scranton Pennsylvania

10 independent auditors report. I will be answering Mr.

11 Keeler as to whether there's business with City of

12 Scranton, but first I'll get into the debt comparison,

13 he was comparing Allentown Lancaster, Reading, et

14 cetera, to ours.

15 Can't compare Scranton with them, we're

16 the ones that have to pay Scranton taxes and Scranton

17 debt. We're the only ones for that so he can compare

18 all he wants. We're going to be paying our bills.

19 As for having business with the city

20 with Fidelity Bank, my Christmas club is with Fidelity

21 Bank, so we do have business with them.

22 Also, from that City of Scranton

23 Pennsylvania independent auditors report, Redevelopment

24 Authority note payable, the authority has a note

25 payable with a Fidelity Deposit and Discount Bank with
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1 maximum borrowings of $2.5 million dated November 1998.

2 Maturing in November of 2013.

3 Veteran's Day is fast approaching, and

4 it doesn't look like the mayor is going to honor the

5 returning soldiers who served in Iraq, so there are six

6 policemen and one fireman, and just for Mr. Donohue's

7 information, the military does not accrue sick days or

8 vacation when they got back here. Our guys did not get

9 full pay, and he should have talked to them before he

10 said that.

11 At the debate at Scranton High School

12 the mayor said he couldn't enact the $52 job tax

13 because the budget was already made up for 2005. He

14 must have forgot that the 2002 budget that

15 Mayor Conners proposed was amended by the Doherty

16 Administration.

17 If you don't believe me you can look at

18 the budgets. They are in black and white, so that's a

19 lame excuse.

20 But let me read what the real excuse is

21 for not enacting job tax as reported in the newspaper

22 dated 12-18-2004 this is a quote, Mr. Doherty was

23 apparently is concerned that the additional revenue

24 would compromise the city governments position in labor

25 arbitration with the police and fire unions.
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1 So, if the mayor enacted the job taxes

2 Council wanted to do, he wouldn't be able to justify

3 keeping the distressed status of the city. Supposedly,

4 it would have given the worker an advantage over the

5 city during arbitration, and that's a crock. Thank

6 you.

7 MS. STULGIS: I'm Ann Marie Stulgis,

8 and I'm a city resident, president of the fraternal

9 order of police. Before I say what I have to say,

10 earlier this evening an elderly gentleman, not that I'm

11 young, got up and said that he has watched the police

12 representative several times get up and say that in

13 fact the police officers who were on active duty in the

14 military weren't being paid, and he said that that's

15 not true, but that in fact I wanted them to be paid

16 their full police salary, as well as their full

17 military salary.

18 Mind you, he said he watched me say

19 this several times. So, I met him in the hall and I

20 approached him and I said, you know, you've been

21 misinformed, that in fact is not true. In fact, we

22 have grievances pending right now that may go to

23 arbitration, as a matter of fact, because our last few

24 officers who have gone to active duty, two of them are

25 home now receiving not one dime from the city.
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1 He said, Who are you? I have never

2 seen you before. So, I would suggest that in the

3 future when they're giving scripts, maybe they want to

4 attach pictures so they would know who people are.

5 Also, if you want to get on the

6 military, I discovered early this week that the city in

7 fact is in violation of a 1944 federal law that

8 mandates the municipalities to pay the pension payments

9 for any police officers and firefighters who are called

10 up to an active conflict.

11 The city did not pay these officer's

12 pension payments, and as a matter of fact, they were

13 even going to double charge them when they came back

14 for those pension payments. Yeah, that's pride.

15 And I have a couple of bills. Although

16 I do want to comment very briefly on the incident that

17 happened in West Scranton earlier this evening, only

18 because I had the privilege of watching our chief -- he

19 had it solved before they had any idea -- before the

20 interviews were conducted, he already informed

21 everybody it wasn't gang related and people weren't

22 riding around with guns in their cars.

23 Of course the gentleman got out of the

24 car with a loaded weapon, fired it, a child was shot,

25 and there was three to four bullet in him, but he
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1 doesn't want anybody thinking people have loaded guns

2 in cars in the city because there's no crime. Okay.

3 I want to share a couple of bills with

4 you. In addition to the legal bills, which I'll give

5 later, we have work done at city hall for $5,500 to

6 install security cameras; $728 for video surveillance

7 camera; $233 for digital camera for human resources; we

8 demolished a building for a private developer in West

9 Side to the tune of $79,000, taxpayer money; we paid

10 installments to Penn Northeast for $11,197; big

11 favorite of mine is we paid $925 for lanterns in

12 February of this year, nobody's seen them and they

13 haven't been used yet, but we paid $925 taxpayer

14 dollars. That means the average taxpayer's in the City

15 of Scranton property taxes is $400 that they paid the

16 City of Scranton, not the county share or the school

17 district, that's two taxpayer's property taxes to the

18 City of Scranton to buy lanterns that nobody seen.

19 Then we have the Kalinosky Landscaping

20 for $495,889, and we have some more Kalinosky

21 Landscaping for Nay Aug for $166,502, and same company,

22 $162,885, then we have more work at Nay Aug for

23 $180,046, Pennsylvania League of Cities , $76,132,

24 Neighborhood Development Trust Fund, don't know what it

25 is, but it's $44,125, supplies for the Nay Aug Zoo,
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1 $34,838. Should you doubt these, by the way, I have

2 the voices, if anybody wants to see them.

3 Philadelphia lawyers, $3812, Kingston

4 lawyers, $16,700, Kingston lawyers, $9,926, Scranton

5 Times, $889, Kingston lawyers again, $9,900, fence at

6 the zoo, $15,085, planting grass, $3240, cutting grass,

7 $1445.

8 And I also have a total on legal fees,

9 since my time is up, the legal fees that this city has

10 spent in just under three years, this does not include

11 any of the authorities, because obviously we don't have

12 access to that information, $1,690,497 paid to lawyers,

13 $1,690,497 to lawyers alone.

14 MR. POCIUS: Mrs. Stulgis, can I ask

15 you a question, two questions really?

16 MS. STULGIS: Yes.

17 MR. POCIUS: Number one, there's a lot

18 of talk just going around about a lot of things here,

19 do you currently receive a city pension?

20 MR. STULGIS: Yes, sir.

21 MR. POCIUS: Do you receive a

22 disability pension?

23 MR. STULGIS: Yes.

24 MR. POCIUS: Do you pay taxes on

25 it?
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1 MR. STULGIS: No, sir.

2 MR. POCIUS: Okay.

3 MS. STULGIS: But I do pay property

4 taxes on both of my homes.

5 MR. POCIUS: Okay. I pay property

6 taxes, too. Have you, like Mr. Maier said, have you

7 ever missed a pension check?

8 MS. STULGIS: No.

9 MR. POCIUS: Oh, okay. Thank you. Oh,

10 one or thing, there was a discussion a few weeks ago

11 on, and you brought it up, I didn't, on the turn back

12 of the Glocks.

13 MS. STULGIS: Yes, sir.

14 MR. POCIUS: Did you turn your Glock

15 back in? Oh, I forgot, you couldn't qualify for the

16 Glock, could you?

17 MR. STULGIS: No, that's not true.

18 MR. POCIUS: No?

19 MR. STULGIS: No, sir. And may I ask

20 you a question?

21 MR. POCIUS: Yes, ma'am.

22 MR. STULGIS: Is it common place for a

23 councilman to attack a citizen of the City of Scranton

24 and to try to demean them when we come up here an try

25 to speak our mind? That's a simple question.
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1 I have something to say to you, Mr.

2 Pocius, I find your behavior rather appalling, I find

3 it insulting to the taxpayers who pay you to be here,

4 including myself.

5 I come here because I care. I don't

6 yawn during meetings and forget to cover my mouth, as

7 you do, I do not sit there and doze, I do not sue the

8 city or the pension fund for a pension for a part-time

9 job, as you are, so I really don't think you want to

10 get into a match with me, because it's not the way you

11 want to go.

12 I just find your behavior appalling.

13 Thank you sir, and have a good night.

14 MR. POCIUS: I just ask you a question

15 and you took offense to it, so that's fine.

16 MS. STULGIS: It's really improper. I

17 find your question of a speaker to be improper, sir.

18 MR. DIBILEO: Thank you.

19 MS. KRAKE: Good evening, Council. My

20 name is Nancy Krake. And before I speak tonight, since

21 Mr. Pocius had some remarks to make, I'd like to remind

22 him of the evening he told me about the 28 mouths he

23 had to feed, which is why he needed to support our

24 current mayor.

25 He also told me about how he needed to
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1 negotiate my contract in a bar. Also, i was pretty

2 sure that he has not paid legal fees to be represented

3 in his pension case.

4 MR. POCIUS: Could I respond to the one

5 point? When I did -- the time that you were

6 unsuccessful in saving any jobs, I think I got 11 or 12

7 or 14 jobs back in the budget, and that's a fact,

8 that's a fact.

9 MS. KRAKE: I'm so glad you feel that

10 way.

11 MR. POCIUS: I did. I did, Mrs. Krake,

12 you know that.

13 MS. KRAKE: I'm glad you feel that way,

14 I'm very happy for you.

15 MR. POCIUS: And the job --

16 MS. KRAKE: And I'm glad you did not

17 lose your 28 jobs.

18 MR. POCIUS: We're trying to grow in

19 the city.

20 MS. KRAKE: And I know you've done very

21 well pay wise on the city money to do that, over

22 $400,000 no-bid contracts. Fabulous. Good work, if

23 you can get it. Good job.

24 MR. POCIUS: Like I said, Mrs. Krake,

25 they were all done properly by a process overseen by
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1 the Department of Transportation. That's the only

2 contracts we got.

3 MS. KRAKE: You don't have to defend

4 yourself to me, Mr. Pocius, apparently the taxpayers

5 were not.

6 MR. POCIUS: I'm just stating a fact.

7 When I state the facts, people get offensive.

8 MS. KRAKE: I'm glad you feel that way.

9 MR. POCIUS: I'm just telling the

10 facts.

11 MS. KRAKE: I don't think you quite

12 know the difference between facts and feelings.

13 MS. KRAKE: Because of this

14 administration, the City of Scranton, contrary to Mr.

15 Keeler and his love of debt, or his blindness to it has

16 $275 million of long-term debt hanging over our future

17 and our children's future.

18 Logically the first place we look for

19 relief is to the elected officials responsible for the

20 taxes the city currently has in place.

21 That person is Ken McDowell. He's in

22 change of the Single Tax Office. He should be a watch

23 dog for the tax revenue.

24 Unfortunately the taxpayers and workers

25 have expressed their frustration and concern in dealing
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1 with Mr. McDowell as soon as he became the city tax

2 collector.

3 In a recent Scranton Times story, he

4 says he's on call every day. The question is, Where is

5 he on call?

6 Most Mondays during golf season he can

7 be found during working hours on the links as a member

8 of a golf league.

9 Maybe he would say he makes up that

10 time by spending longer hours in the office.

11 Unfortunately he wraps up on average about six hours a

12 week being at work. The average person works more than

13 six hours in one day.

14 Mr. McDowell says he can't offer

15 amnesty. Former tax collector Ed Walsh had an amnesty

16 program in conjunction with the taxing bodies that

17 extended a hand to all eligible persons.

18 Mr. McDowell may have an unwritten

19 amnesty policy for certain pay to play campaign

20 contributors of this mayor.

21 Perhaps this is the reason that neither

22 McDowell or Doherty has had an audit in the City of

23 Scranton wage tax collection since they've been in

24 office.

25 An audit would have given us a true
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1 picture of how much money is owed and just who owes

2 this money.

3 It could be the current administration

4 and tax collector don't want these facts revealed.

5 Perhaps this new group that's out running ads in the

6 paper called Taxpayers For Accountability, maybe they

7 could request an audit.

8 In the same news article Tax Collector

9 McDowell told us tax collections are up. This

10 statement is quite misleading. Tax collections are up

11 because the real estate taxes went up 48 percent.

12 Even though the single tax office was

13 already computerized, McDowell installed another system

14 loaded with glitches.

15 The citizens of Scranton are familiar

16 with these glitches. They're timely refunds are very

17 late. The refunds are not being refunded to taxpayers

18 at all.

19 He also mentioned 24 separate check

20 books, what these are banks that collect real estate

21 money from taxpayers, by the way, they still do exist.

22 Mayor Doherty awarded McDowell with a

23 big pay raise in the 2002 budget. The mayor's first

24 year in office was McDowell's, also.

25 Courtesy of the Mayor, McDowell gets a
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1 raise even before he steps in the door. We're paying

2 nearly $50,000 a year to a man who doesn't care enough

3 about our city to even show up for work.

4 Four years ago these two men, McDowell

5 and Doherty, were just beginning their terms in office.

6 Myself and many other speakers were also beginning our

7 attempt to keep the public informed by speaking at City

8 Council meetings each week.

9 Unfortunately the summation of those

10 four years is not very positive. We have $275 million

11 in long-term debt, our excessive wage tax is still

12 stunting our growth, and the only people moving forward

13 are the 2000 plus people who moved out of Scranton

14 since the mayor's term began.

15 I hope on November 8 you vote to give

16 Scranton back to all the people. Thank you.

17 MR. DIBILEO: Thank you. That will be

18 it for public participation, but we're going to have

19 Lisa take a break, she's been working non-stop, so

20 we'll take a break and then we'll come back.

21 (A RECESS WAS TAKEN.)

22 MR. SAUNDERS: 5-A, Motions.

23 MR. DIBILEO: Okay. We're going to

24 call our meeting back into order. And a couple of

25 observations, number one, it's Friday. This is a
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1 first, and actually I forgot what my second point was,

2 it will come to me. Mr. McTiernan, any motions or

3 comments?

4 MR. MCTIERNAN: Just a comment. At the

5 request of Holy Cross Basketball that the final sign-up

6 will be held Sunday the 6th of November from six until

7 8 p.m.

8 MR. DIBILEO: I'm sorry. I just

9 remember what my second announcement was, we're not

10 being televised right now, however, we're being told

11 that the rebroadcast of these meetings will be

12 televised, so I just wanted to mention that. Is that

13 it, Mr. McTiernan?

14 MR. MCTIERNAN: Yes.

15 MR. DIBILEO: Yes. Okay. Mrs.

16 Evans, any motions or comments?

17 MS. EVANS: Tonight's list of citizens

18 requests is as follows: A letter to Mr. Parker, a

19 request for a traffic study in the 1400 block of Cedar

20 Avenue, also snow plows push snow into the driveway

21 causing an elderly woman to have to have to shovel her

22 driveway herself in order to transport her sickly

23 husband to and from the hospital. I made this request

24 first in the spring of 2005. This is my second

25 request.
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1 Clean city owned lot that runs from

2 Wood Street to 1422 North Rebecca Avenue. The neighbor

3 has contacted the DPW and the mayor's office numerous

4 times.

5 Pave Ward Place, second request. Pave

6 Wales Street, third request. Trim overgrown tree in

7 Oliver Court behind the 1300 and 1400 blocks of Luzerne

8 Street.

9 Residents request a stop sign at the

10 corner of Everett and Washburn Street. Residents also

11 request a stop sign on Jackson Street at the corner of

12 the 1300 block of Jackson Street and Sumner Avenue near

13 St. Patrick's Rectory.

14 A letter to Mr. Parker, a request for

15 an update on the street lights and the flooding

16 conditions in Tripp Park.

17 I understand nothing has been done to

18 rectify this problem, and I have to wonder if the city

19 is waiting for an accident to occur before action is

20 taken. 1703 Sanderson Avenue, clean and repair two

21 catch basins.

22 A second request for DPW overtime for

23 2004 and 2005, up to an including October 18, and

24 specific reports for May to November of 2004 and 2005.

25 I'd also like to extend the date now to
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1 November 8, since I won't receive the information in a

2 timely fashion anyway.

3 Greenwood Avenue and Corey Street, a

4 catch basin is collapsing. It was marked a few weeks

5 ago, but still no work has been done.

6 I also requested a letter to Mr. Baker

7 several weeks ago regarding handicapped parking spaces

8 at Park Gardens. I would like a second letter, since

9 winter is fast approaching and another burglary

10 occurred just this week. The elderly handicapped

11 resident needs this help, please, as soon as possible.

12 Also, Ruddy Place, a court in North

13 Scranton, specifically Bulls Head off Providence Road

14 needs paving, and it's been well over 20 years since

15 that's occurred.

16 A street sign at Archbald Street and

17 South Main Avenue, which I have been asking for since

18 June '05.

19 Also, a portable pump for Parker Street

20 flooding problem, if Mr. Parker could please give me a

21 response about that, are they going to be purchased, if

22 so, when.

23 Paving in the alley at the rear of 613

24 Green Ridge Street, the 90-year-old woman who resides

25 there broke her leg, and a pothole in that alley last
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1 year, and this is my second request for that issue.

2 I also have two announcements, first of

3 all, the Upper Hill Ecumenical Committee is hosting a

4 night to benefit the local military families.

5 Eating at the Friendly's in Dunmore

6 between the hours of 5 p.m. and 8 p.m. on November 9

7 will contribute to the ten percent donation the

8 restaurant will make from all diner receipts. We would

9 appreciate the support of the community for this very

10 worthy cause.

11 Also, the Downtown Scranton Senior

12 Citizens Center will conduct a flea market and bake

13 sale on Saturday November 5 from 9 a.m. to 4 p.m. A

14 breakfast will be served in the morning for a very

15 small charge. Please support this worthy fundraiser

16 for our senior citizens.

17 We did have some discussion earlier

18 this evening about the East Mountain Road Project and

19 the paving that occurred and repairsnight, and, you

20 know, I do admit I've seen paving occur in the wee

21 hours of the morning, but it's always been on a major

22 interstate, not within the City of Scranton, however,

23 before credit is showered on a number of Johnnies Come

24 Lately to the situation, I believe it's important to

25 state the facts.
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1 This project began many, many years

2 ago, at least ten years ago, and it was begun by Brian

3 Reap, president of the East Mountain Neighborhood

4 Association, and he followed through on this during his

5 term as a councilman.

6 Mayor Jim Connors was also highly

7 instrumental in pushing this project forward, as was

8 Congressman Sherwood, who provided the federal funding

9 to make this a reality. So, I think it's time that we

10 give some credit where it really is due.

11 Now, on Wednesday, November 1, I

12 received a copy of a letter addressed to Jay Saunders

13 over the signature of Gerald Butler, assistant city

14 solicitor, and it included a copy of the five-year 2003

15 capital budget. This was the first time I saw the 2003

16 capital budget, because it was filed before I was on

17 council.

18 Mr. Butler wrote since the five-year

19 budget was filed in 2003, the mayor need not file

20 another capital budget until 20007.

21 The updated 2006 capital improvement

22 plan filed is only a continuation of the original 2003

23 budget.

24 So far Mr. Butler is correct. But when

25 he further wrote, No new capital spending is proposed,
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1 and quote, Therefore, Section 904 Paragraphs one

2 through five of the Home Rule Charter does not apply,

3 closed quote. Mr. Butler was not completely correct.

4 When I reviewed the 2003 capital budget

5 for the first time, I found with respect to each item

6 this mayor did not and still does not comply with

7 Scranton's Home Rule Charter Section 904 paragraphs

8 four and five.

9 Nowhere in the 2003 capital budget does

10 it state for each item, quote, An estimated annual cost

11 of operating and maintaining the facility to be

12 constructed or acquired, paragraph four, nor, quote,

13 An inventory replacement schedule for purchase and

14 replacing of major equipment, closed quote, paragraph

15 five, such as the new information technology for

16 City Hall.

17 The people are still entitled to that

18 information. My statement on behalf of the people is

19 not nitpicking, as previously described by this city

20 solicitor, it is a pure and simple violation of the

21 Home Rule Charter. The mayor cannot violate the with

22 impunity just by saying something is nitpicking.

23 When I reviewed the mayor's 2003

24 capital budget, the last page really struck my eye.

25 Now, mind you, I am just reporting what is on the last
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1 page of that budget.

2 The mayor said in his 2003 capital

3 budget, quote, As of December 31, 2001, which was the

4 end of Mayor Connor's last term, The city had an

5 estimated remaining long-term borrowing capacity of

6 approximately $159 million based on audited amounts

7 reported in the city's 2001 audited financial

8 statements, closed quote. I submit, this amount

9 appears to apply to all debt.

10 Further down the same page he wrote,

11 quote, Non-electoral debt limit, $195,435,567 less

12 long-term obligation at December 31, 2001, and that is

13 $36,533,064, and the remaining long-term borrowing

14 capacity is $158,902,503.

15 Also, in paragraph three on the last

16 page Mayor Doherty wrote, quote, The operating budget

17 also includes debt service appropriations for the

18 payment of long-term debt principle, interest, and

19 other costs.

20 Isn't this statement by Mayor Doherty

21 directly opposite all the printer's ink The Times used

22 to first argue that interest should not be included in

23 long-term debt?

24 The foregoing facts raise a question

25 for all to ask Mayor Doherty, it is, If when he took
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1 office in 2002, he could not legally borrow more than

2 $158.9 million without first going to the people for

3 permission, then isn't he in violation of the law with

4 the present long-term debt of over $200 million?

5 And if you can bear with me just

6 another few minutes, I should like to make an

7 observation on the newspaper's full-length editorial

8 last Sunday's, The paper endorsed the mayor for

9 re-election. Could anyone have ever thought otherwise

10 based on the newspaper's Doherty promotions for the

11 last four years?

12 And The Times has a right to its

13 opinion, so long as it is printed on its editorial or

14 op-ed page; however, the most obvious point any reader

15 should have noticed was that in the entire editorial,

16 the writer never even once mentioned the complete

17 financial disorder and long-term debt this mayor

18 saddled on the people in less than four years.

19 Remember, the long-term debt is now in

20 the hundreds of millions, even his newspaper admits

21 this.

22 Many Scrantonians lost their homes to

23 foreclosure and sheriff's sale because they were

24 mortgage poor. Many other Scrantonians, including

25 those would are elderly and on fixed incomes, are now
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1 Doherty poor because of the large debt he obligated a

2 of us to pay. And he's on the record stating he fully

3 intends to borrow millions more right after this

4 election.

5 The people of Scranton have come now to

6 the point where Election Day will not really be a race

7 for the mayor's office, rather, the election will be a

8 race for the survival of the people who live, work and

9 raise their children here.

10 The history of Mr. Doherty's conduct in

11 office and job performance is at times a history of

12 repeated injuries to the people and usurpation of the

13 rights belonging to the people.

14 Here are the financial facts, first, to

15 this day, Doherty refuses to comply with Scranton's

16 home rule charter with his filed capital budget;

17 second, he had the city enter into substantial no bid

18 contracts with friends and political cronies, while the

19 people are left with the bills to pay; third, he sold

20 the golf course for less than its true value and did

21 not put the remaining money into a trust as promised;

22 fourth, he cut hourly personnel in City Hall, while at

23 the same time he hired directors and supervisors at

24 much higher salaries which resulted in much higher

25 costs to the taxpayers, he hired consultants at no-bid
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1 contracts to help the department heads and supervisors

2 whom he claimed were all well qualified for their jobs;

3 six, he purchased a pothole repair machine for many

4 thousands of dollars, and the pothole machine didn't

5 repair potholes, it did nothing but collect dust;

6 seven, he refused to explain why his OECD director,

7 Sara Hailstone, wasted, yes, wasted $266,000 to

8 rehabilitate the Medallion Garage and then stopped the

9 work and gave orders to tear it down, it must now spend

10 an additional $8 million to build a new garage; eighth,

11 he wasted our money on costly losing arbitrations,

12 attorneys and legal fees, an ninth, the most important,

13 he created more long-term debt for Scrantonians, over

14 $204 million, more than any mayor in the entire history

15 of Scranton, and I truly fear for all of the financial

16 problems he's created for us and which we must pay for

17 for the next 28 years.

18 This mayor's fiscal job performance and

19 his four-year attitude of ignoring and looking down on

20 the taxpayers can't continue.

21 The question is not if Scranton looks

22 better, rather, these are the questions all of you

23 should ask, Am I and my family better off now than I

24 was four years ago? Can we the people afford another

25 four years of Doherty's addictive spending and
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1 borrowing millions of dollars every year just to plug

2 holes in his phony budget and increase our long-term

3 debt?

4 And how Much of the hundreds of

5 millions of dollars that have been borrowed did he

6 spend to improve your home, your neighborhood or to

7 assist in your children's future or to improve your

8 family's safety and security? And when you answer

9 those questions, they will tell you how to vote.

10 The election on November 8 is not only

11 to see who will be mayor of Scranton, but it will also

12 be a very important discussion on the safety and the

13 security, and the financial future of each and every

14 one of us. That's it.

15 MR. DIBILEO: Thank you, Mrs. Evans.

16 Mr. Pocius, motions or comments?

17 MR. POCIUS: Yes, Mr. DiBileo. Mrs.

18 Evans, you credited a lot of people who did have a lot

19 to do with the East Mountain Project, but you forgot to

20 mention Senator Mellow who delivered two key grants for

21 that project, one from the Department of Environmental

22 Protection, and another one from capital budget or

23 something like that, probably to the tune of close to a

24 million dollars, for both grants, so Senator Mellow was

25 very instrumental.
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1 Because there's a picture I have of

2 Brian Reap receiving the checks up there from

3 Senator Mellow on a cold winter's day quite a few years

4 ago.

5 We never had, I don't know why, but

6 maybe I do know why, we had -- this Council unanimously

7 voted to have a meeting with the public safety and the

8 police on manning and also with the accountant Rossi &

9 Rossi, we haven't had a caucus meeting, the only thing

10 we came in early for was the public hearing, and I

11 thought we could straighten out a couple of things, but

12 maybe we didn't want to staighten them out.

13 One, there has been a lot said, and I'm

14 going to be very brief, I have a real concern here,

15 there has been a lot said on the Hotel Casey Parking

16 Garage, and this concerns me, only for the fact that

17 Bill, I want to ask you, did you have a set of plans

18 sent to a consulting engineering firm in New Jersey?

19 MR. COURTRIGHT: No.

20 MR. POCIUS: Okay. All right.

21 MR. COURTRIGHT: The gentleman picked

22 up a set of plans for me, but to the best of my

23 knowledge, he didn't send them to New Jersey.

24 MR. POCIUS: I'll check on that. Okay.

25 Thank you. Oh, one more thing, I honestly forgot
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1 because the hour is late, we had 55 speakers, I'm

2 55-years-old, I guess I get a little forgetful, this is

3 an important election coming up on Tuesday, and I

4 encourage all citizens to go out, exercise their right

5 to vote. It's very important that we all exercise that

6 right.

7 I will be out of town on Tuesday, I

8 exercised my right to vote this last Tuesday. I voted

9 absentee ballot, I voted right in the voter

10 registration office. After I cast my vote, I didn't

11 run out and buy a dead bolt, if you know what I'm

12 talking about. So, thank you.

13 MR. DIBILEO: Thank you. I guess the

14 mayor is ahead in the election. Mr. Courtright,

15 motions or comments?

16 MR. COURTRIGHT: I have a letter I'd

17 like to read. Our office received a phone call from an

18 employee at Neil Armstrong Elementary School, that they

19 asked to be brought to our attention at Thursday's

20 meeting, and they asked if we would mention the

21 following message, On Sunday, October 23, 2005 at 3

22 p.m., a kitchen fire broke out at 2202 Kelly Avenue in

23 North Scranton. The C shift of the Scranton Fire

24 Department under the direction of E.J. Gallagher would

25 like to acknowledge six-year-old James Williams, who's
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1 a first grade student at Neil Armstrong School in Mrs.

2 Pilosi's class for doing the right thing.

3 He did everything right. He got his

4 two-year-old sister out and alerted his farther.

5 Engine Eight, Truck Four and Resource One were called

6 to the scene.

7 Firefighters Jim Sable and Jerry Garvey

8 were the first on the scene to put the fire out. The

9 staff from the Neil Armstrong School was very grateful

10 to the firefighters for all their help with teaching

11 the children so efficiently about fire safety and how

12 to react in a situation such as this.

13 Six-year-old James Williams is a second

14 grade student at Neil Armstrong who has benefited from

15 the teachings of our fire department during Fire

16 Prevention Week at our school. Thank you again to The

17 Scranton Fire Department.

18 And Hollow Avenue has been brought up

19 several times, and last week I said to see if Mr.

20 Parker would be willing to sit down with the residents

21 and talk with them, Jay tried to contact him on several

22 occasions for me by phone, and I don't know if he

23 didn't have his phone on or just wasn't answering it,

24 but we have not been able to contact Mr. Parker.

25 I don't know what else to tell the
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1 residents of Hollow Avenue. For me to go up there and

2 look at it, to be quite honest with you, I don't know

3 if I know what I was really looking at.

4 If Mr. Parker isn't willing to help, I

5 don't know, maybe they need to get maps and hire their

6 own surveyor or something, I'm not quite sure what to

7 tell them at this point. We will continue to see if

8 Mr. Parker will meet with them.

9 And the parking garage, you know, when

10 I spoke last week I tried to make it perfectly clear

11 that I was not blaming any of the workers whatsoever,

12 and I got a call from a man who writes for the paper

13 that says that one of the gentleman from the union

14 leaders or whatever you want to call him, was saying

15 that -- telling some the union workers I was speaking

16 against them, it had absolutely nothing to do with the

17 union workers, and I just wanted them to know that, and

18 also stated that I wasn't an engineer, but Chris

19 Doherty felt the need to put in The Times again that I

20 was not an engineer, I never said I was.

21 The thing that bothers me is that did

22 he send an engineer out there to look at it? No. He

23 sent out Mr. Fiorini, who is not an engineer. But the

24 city has engineers, so if he was going to send them,

25 why not our engineers?
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1 I spoke to a gentleman, I don't want to

2 say his name, from Highland Associates on more than one

3 occasion since last meeting, that's the architect on

4 this, and he answered a lot of my questions. He

5 couldn't be more helpful, and I never met the man in my

6 life, I just spoke to him on the phone, but I'll tell

7 you, there's so many questions have come up, people

8 have visited me in person, too many to even tell you

9 about, I don't know how many phone calls, Mr. Pocius

10 asked about -- I asked for plans and a gentleman that

11 picked them up for me that was much more versed in this

12 type of thing, and I'm not an engineer, I don't know

13 what he did with them, I believe he still has them in

14 his possession, but I asked him to take a look at them

15 for me.

16 And talking to the gentleman from

17 Highland Associates, a lot of different questions came

18 up, things maybe too technical for me to try to explain

19 it to you, and I want to do it properly, but one of the

20 questions were on the beams on the floor that there

21 needs to be a separate section there for expansion of

22 the metal expansion and cracks.

23 People came to me and said maybe the

24 shoring was put too soon in an effort to get the garage

25 done fast and that might have caused it, so many
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1 different items, but one thing that I spoke to about

2 with the gentleman from Highland, he wasn't aware of

3 it, and he said that if it was true, that it could be

4 potentially a big problem with the rebar that was

5 coming through the ceiling on the one spot, and he

6 wasn't aware of that and he said he would look into

7 that.

8 But we've tried to get Mr. Wintermantle

9 here on several different occasions, and I believe

10 that's one of the reasons we didn't have the other

11 caucus meetings, but we can't seem to get him in here.

12 So, in light of the fact, and I'm sure

13 Mrs. Evans had questions on that, but in light of the

14 fact that Mr. Wintermantle -- we can't get Mr.

15 Wintermantle in here to answer these questions, and I

16 don't know if I can do this now, Mr. DiBileo is not

17 here, but I assume Mrs. Evans can take control of the

18 meeting as vice president, I'd like to make a motion

19 that the city hire an engineer, an outside engineer, to

20 take a look at this project to see if everything is

21 done properly and being repaired properly. I will do

22 that in the form of a motion.

23 MS. EVANS: Second. Well, we have a

24 motion on the floor and a second. On the question? We

25 have the return of the president. Mr. President, we
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1 have a motion on the floor and a second, and I'd ask

2 Councilman Courtright to restate his motion so that you

3 can consider it.

4 MR. COURTRIGHT: I made a motion that

5 the city hire an outside engineer, structural engineer,

6 to take a look at the parking garage and make sure

7 everything is all right there, and whatever repairs are

8 being done, that they're being done properly.

9 An on the question, I'd like to say I

10 anticipated some people might say, it would be costly,

11 so I asked some people about what it would cost, and

12 for millions and millions of dollars that we spent on

13 the garage, one individual, and I don't have any

14 documentation, he said $2,000 maybe approximately to

15 have somebody come in and do a report to make sure this

16 is correct, and in the process, I'll wait for the vote

17 and make another statement.

18 MR. DIBILEO: Okay. We have a motion

19 on the floor and a second. On the question?

20 MS. EVANS: I'm going to vote to

21 support this, because I think it is a very good idea,

22 and Mr. Fiorini, who is a wonderful man with a wealth

23 of experience, but as the code inspector, I just don't

24 know that this field would be his forte; moreover, I

25 don't feel comfortable with having those who did the
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1 work inspecting their own work, so I think it's very

2 beneficial to bring in an independent source who can

3 give us an objective opinion. It's money well spent,

4 because I really don't think we want to compromise the

5 safety of the public.

6 MR. MCTIERNAN: I have a comment, it

7 sounds like a reasonable proposition, I'm just curious,

8 can we or do we have jurisdiction in the project at

9 this time? Who is responsible for that? It sounds

10 like a reasonable idea, so I just don't know --

11 MR. COURTRIGHT: I don't know that us

12 as Council, I'm assuming the city, so maybe we can send

13 this -- make this motion and send a request down to the

14 mayor, I don't know if that's the proper channel --

15 MR. SAUNDERS: Yeah, I would imagine

16 that we would be send that out to the administration.

17 MR. COURTRIGHT: Because I would

18 probably think that they would want the same as we

19 want, things just to be done right. I'm not trying to

20 point the finger, I just want the garage to be built

21 the way it was meant to be built and to last as long as

22 it's physically intended to last. That's my only

23 certain.

24 MR. POCIUS: I will be voting in the

25 negative on this, for the simple fact that it --
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1 there's professionals in charge of the project. Being

2 a professional myself, we have much more to lose than

3 anyone else does, so if anyone, and I would never say

4 anyone would try to cover something up, but they have

5 their professional licensures on these drawings, it's

6 their responsibility to make sure the project is done

7 right, and I think it's unduly causing some alarm here

8 on something that I believe could be handled by the

9 construction manager or the professionals that would

10 have been hired for the project already.

11 There was a third party inspection that

12 probably did most of the work on the inspection, and

13 things do happen with projects such as this an

14 adjustments are made, but this is a post-tension force,

15 so I just think it's not warranted, and I believe that

16 the parties involved will successfully handle this, and

17 the garage will be open, as I believe it is going to be

18 open in the safest and a secured condition.

19 MS. EVANS: I had heard something that

20 one of our local hospitals had experienced a similar

21 problem with a parking garage and they're involved in a

22 lawsuit now as a result, and I think anything, you

23 know, would prevent such a potential is what we should

24 do, and, again, is money well spent, because I don't

25 know that we want to get into that type of situation.
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1 We've got too many lawyers and too many

2 arbitrations and litigations ongoing as it is.

3 MR. DIBILEO: If there's no further

4 questions, all those in favor, signify by saying aye.

5 MS. EVANS: Aye.

6 MR. MCTIERNAN: Aye

7 MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.

8 MR. DIBILEO: Aye. Opposed?

9 MR. POCIUS: No.

10 MR. DIBILEO: By a 4-1 vote, motion

11 carries.

12 MR. COURTRIGHT: And one last thing,

13 Mr. President, I am not going to make this motion,

14 because I think you said earlier that you will be

15 entertaining it, because even throughout this process,

16 and believe me when I tell you, I tried not to make

17 this political, it became political once the mayor said

18 in the paper I did it to hurt his chances of becoming

19 mayor again, I mean, if him winning the election hinges

20 on this garage opening or not, then I feel sorry for

21 him.

22 But through the process of talking to

23 people, many people, and, again, way too much

24 information for me to process, I'm not an engineer, and

25 I'll keep repeating that, but I found out that some of
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1 the testing people, who they were, who they were

2 related to, what companies they were related to, and

3 I'm not going to say the name on air, but I think it's

4 time that that city adopts some kind of nepotism

5 policy, so I'll wait for Mr. DiBileo to make a motion

6 like that, and that's all I have, Mr. President. Thank

7 you.

8 MR. DIBILEO: Thank you, Mr.

9 Courtright. I have a couple of brief things,

10 considering the hour.

11 I just wanted to state that The

12 Scranton Times seems to be working overtime recently,

13 especially in trying their best to portray me as an

14 indecisive person, a flip-flopper, as you may, if you

15 may, but I want to get something straight, that at the

16 debate I mentioned something about the recovery plan.

17 Prior to the debate, I was told that it

18 may be the case that the recovery plan would have to be

19 resubmitted at the end of 2005, that that may be the

20 case. If that was to be the case, I said at the debate

21 that because the recovery plan was voted on so and

22 repairswhelmingly that it should not be changed very

23 much at all. I'm satisfied now knowing that it does

24 not have to be resubmitted, and I'm not looking to

25 change anything, except perhaps an impact study which
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1 makes sense to me.

2 So, I did not change my mind about

3 anything. So, no matter what you read in the paper

4 about me being indecisive, don't believe it. It's

5 election time.

6 Another thing came up at the podium

7 tonight, and in the newspaper this week, and I just

8 want to respond to it, there was a letter to the

9 editor, and in response to that I just would like to

10 say that I don't believe that ethnicity should have

11 anything to do with this election or any election.

12 I'm very proud to say that I'm half

13 Irish and half Italian, my wife is very proud to be

14 half Irish and half Italian, my wife and I are very

15 proud that our four children, therefore, are half Irish

16 and half Italian.

17 My mother Jane Higgins and my father

18 Angelo Moe DiBileo would not be very happy with me if I

19 did not show anything but pride about who I am.

20 My wife being a little disturbed about

21 what she had read submitted a letter to the editor to

22 The Scranton Times, which I hand delivered to Pat

23 McKenna yesterday, and he looked at it, and he said he

24 would run it, so, you'll probably see it, but just in

25 case it doesn't make it in before the election, I'm
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1 going to road my wife's letter to the editor.

2 Dear Editor, I am writing in regard to

3 the recent letter to the editor that implies that my

4 husband has an ethnic bias. Nothing could be further

5 from the truth.

6 I am hurt and deeply concerned about

7 the direction that this election has taken. I find it

8 reprehensible that this letter would be printed at such

9 a critical time for this election.

10 My husband and I believe that ethnicity

11 should play no part in this mayoral election.

12 Gary and I are very proud of our half

13 Irish and half Italian heritage. Our four children

14 share these same wonderful roots.

15 Gary's mother, Jane Higgins DiBileo,

16 and father, Angelo Moe DiBileo would be upset if he

17 portrayed himself as anyone other than who he is. I

18 can accept challenges to my husband's public record,

19 but not his character.

20 I was particularly taken back by the

21 suggestion that my husband was surly. Gary does not

22 have a mean bone in his body.

23 This election is about who the people

24 of Scranton trust to face the issues that challenge our

25 city today. And that's sincerely Christine McDonald
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1 DiBileo.

2 Now, the person in question writing to

3 the editor has a 4-by-8 foot Chris Doherty sign in her

4 yard. When I entered the insurance business 20 years

5 ago, I became a competitor of the person in question,

6 so our relationship's never been very close, I think as

7 a result of that, but I remember the knocking on the

8 door and the greeting being somewhat unpleasant, and my

9 recollection of the exchange is different than what was

10 written in the newspaper.

11 MR. COURTRIGHT: Mr. President, can I

12 interrupt for one second? I am just going to say this

13 here, as I often do, I was walking with Mr. DiBileo

14 that day, and I'm sure people know that I do that with

15 him, and I was standing on the sidewalk when he spoke

16 to this woman, I don't know this woman, I know who she

17 is, but I don't know her, and the first comment she

18 made to him wasn't very nice, but at no time did I ever

19 hear, again, I was on the sidewalk, I was standing next

20 to him, at no time did I ever hear him mention to her

21 anything about Irish. I heard him state he was from

22 West Side, so I don't know what was printed in the

23 paper was exactly what that woman said, but I just know

24 what I head. That's all I have to say. Thank you.

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1 I said earlier that I wanted to make an anti-nepotism

2 motion, and I'm going to do that in a minute, and the

3 reason that I will make this motion is based on

4 situations like the mayor's sister's company vehicle

5 being parked at a downtown construction site with

6 towels covering the vehicle's identity, even though

7 they were construction workers were wearing hard hats

8 that were occupying the vehicle, now, if the mayor's

9 sister's company is involved down at that garage, and I

10 would assume there's some involvement, otherwise why

11 would they be there and why are they using towels to

12 hide the identity of this vehicle, but if they're

13 involved and they're benefitting from city business,

14 and I think that's wrong, that those towels had to be

15 there for a reason, and it was mentioned at the podium

16 by Violet Pilosi that maybe someone put the towels on

17 there, well, I happened to be in town, I got a phone

18 call on my cell phone, and I was near the coffee shop

19 around the corner, and I went over myself, and I'm not

20 sorry to say that I was the one that lifted the towel

21 up to see what was underneath.

22 I'm a City Councilman, that looked odd

23 to me, and there's no way I wasn't going to lift the

24 towel up, and I did, and the picture was snapped, and

25 that's what was underneath, McGregor Iron, and that
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1 happens to be the sister of the mayor's company. So,

2 but this is what movies are made off. I mean, that's

3 good stuff.

4 MS. EVANS: Could I you just jump in a

5 minute, though? I could be wrong, but I thought I

6 remembered at the very origins of this project seeing a

7 sign posted at that location for McGregor Ironworker or

8 McGregor Industries, and it was up ever so briefly and

9 then removed.

10 MR. DIBILEO: Also another sign down

11 there, Restoring the Pride. Gee, when your family is

12 working on a project, I don't know how much pride

13 you're restoring there, but another reason I'll cite is

14 the fact that the mayor's brother's law partner works

15 on possibly all or most of the city's worker's

16 Compensation cases, as far as settling them.

17 I have a voucher here from the partner

18 in question, and the address of the partner in

19 question, here it is, the address of the partner in

20 question on the voucher is 1000 Bank Towers, 321 Spruce

21 Street, Scranton, PA.

22 I also have a copy of the letterhead of

23 the firm, Scanlon, Howley and Doherty, attorneys and

24 counselors at law, 1000 Bank Towers, 321 Spruce Street,

25 Scranton, Pennsylvania, same address, money is going to
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1 the same place, so my question is, Normally partners

2 share in their business, they share in the profits of

3 the business, if that's the case, then the mayor's

4 brother is benefitting from this city's business. It

5 looks to me like we have a sister and a brother

6 benefiting from city business.

7 And with that said, I'd like to make a

8 motion to direct either Mr. Mark Walsh or his law

9 partner, Frank Blasi, to draft anti-nepotism

10 legislation by which City Council members or the mayor

11 should abide by and not doing any city business with

12 family members.

13 MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.

14 MR. DIBILEO: Okay. We have a motion

15 on the floor and a second. On the question? All those

16 in favor, signify by saying aye.

17 MS. EVANS: Aye.

18 MR. MCTIERNAN: Aye.

19 MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.

20 MR. DIBILEO: Aye. Opposed?

21 MR. POCIUS: No.

22 MR. DIBILEO: By a 4-1 vote, motion

23 passes.

24 And the last thing I have is this,

25 please vote on Tuesday, this Tuesday, November the 8th.
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1 Regardless of who you vote for, please vote. If you're

2 unsure where you're supposed to vote at, call voter

3 registration and ask. The phone number there is

4 963-6737, 963-6737. Call up, find out if you're

5 unsure. And no matter who you vote for, please vote.

6 MS. EVANS: Mr. DiBileo, I just have

7 two quick things, I'm sorry, that I didn't mention it

8 earlier, I think it's due to fatigue, if I could jump

9 it, first I'm requesting a copy of a police report, I

10 was contacted by a homeowner who was told there is no

11 police report that was filed, and this accident

12 occurred at 2:50 a.m. on Saturday, October 29, a drunk

13 driver hit his house at 469 Oak Street, so I'd like to

14 try to get a copy of that police report for him, only

15 because his insurance company is requesting this in

16 order that he can file a claim.

17 Also, I'm requesting a proclamation for

18 outstanding community service from Scranton City

19 Council honoring Mr. James Hughes of North Scranton. I

20 think we all know Jimmy, and he does a fantastic job

21 sweeping the curbs of his neighborhood and up at The

22 Friendship House every day from about 7 a.m. until it's

23 time for dinner, and this very remarkable man also runs

24 an annual fundraiser for the benefit of the American

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2 MR. DIBILEO: Absolutely. I think he's

3 well worth a proclamation.

4 MS. EVANS: And, Mr. Courtright, I am

5 going to show you this request, because there is a

6 house on here where there are great problems, drug

7 sales going on right in front of the house, and some of

8 the neighbors were solicited to purchase drugs, and I

9 was hoping that maybe you could pass this along.

10 MR. COURTRIGHT: Sure, no problem.

11 MR. DIBILEO: I have two things real

12 quick. I almost forgot, there's an apple pie sale

13 sponsored by the Elm Park United Methodist Church. You

14 can buy apple pies in advance, either baked or unbaked

15 by November 15 by calling 342-8263, 342-8263.

16 Elm Park United Methodist Church is at

17 the corner of Linden Street and Jefferson Avenue. Call

18 before November 15, and you can pick up your apple pie

19 baked or unbaked on Saturday, November 19, Saturday,

20 November 19, just in time for Thanksgiving, if you're

21 going to wait that long to eat it.

22 And the last thing, the Downtown Senior

23 Center, 305 Penn Avenue, is having a flea market,

24 Downtown Senior Center at 305 Penn Avenue, a flea

25 market Saturday, November 5 from nine until four, nine
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1 until four. The kitchen will be open. It says here

2 breakfast will be served until eleven o'clock, and so

3 get down Saturday, November 5 to the Downtown Senior

4 Center for the flea market from nine until four, and

5 breakfast from 8 a.m. to 11 a.m. That's all I have.

6 MR. BLASI: 5-B, there's no business at

7 this time.

8 Sixth order. 6-A, READING BY TITLE -

9 FILE OF COUNCIL NO.157, 2005 - AN ORDINANCE - AMENDING

10 FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 68, 2004, ENTITLED, AN ORDINANCE

11 AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND OTHER APPROPRIATE OFFICIALS

12 OF THE CITY OF SCRANTON TO TAKE ALL NECESSARY ACTIONS

13 TO IMPLEMENT THE CONSOLIDATED SUBMISSION FOR COMMUNITY

14 PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT PROGRAMS (AS AMENDED) TO BE

15 FUNDED UNDER THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT

16 (CDBG) PROGRAM, HOME INVESTMENT PARTNERSHIP (HOME)

17 PROGRAM AND EMERGENCY SHELTER GRANT (ESG) PROGRAM, BY

18 TRANSFERRING $23,279.17 FROM PROJECT NO. 05-066.1 BOYS

19 AND GIRLS CLUB (PARK-IT) AND $7,067.54 PROJECT NO.

20 04-252 BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB (ROOFING) TO PROJECT NO.

21 03-066 BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB (REACH OUT).

22 MR. DIBILEO: You've heard reading by

23 title of Item 6-A, what is your pleasure?

24 MR. POCIUS: Mr. President, I move that

25 6-A pass reading by title.
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1 MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.

2 MR. DIBILEO: On the question? All

3 those in favor, signify by saying aye.

4 MS. EVANS: Aye.

5 MR. MCTIERNAN: Aye

6 MR. POCIUS: Aye.

7 MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.

8 MR. DIBILEO: Aye. Opposed? The ayes

9 have it and so moved.

10 MR. BLASI: 6-B, READING BY TITLE -

11 FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 158, 2005 - AN ORDINANCE - AMENDING

12 FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 68, 2004, ENTITLED, AN ORDINANCE

13 AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND OTHER APPROPRIATE OFFICIALS

14 OF THE CITY OF SCRANTON TO TAKE ALL NECESSARY ACTIONS

15 TO IMPLEMENT THE CONSOLIDATED SUBMISSION FOR COMMUNITY

16 PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT PROGRAMS TO BE FUNDED UNDER

17 THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT (CDBG) PROGRAM,

18 HOME INVESTMENT PARTNERSHIP (HOME) PROGRAM AND

19 EMERGENCY SHELTER GRANT (ESG) PROGRAM, BY REALLOCATING

20 $100,000.00 FROM PROJECT NO. 99-100, COMPREHENSIVE

21 HOUSING REHABILITATION PROGRAM, TO PROJECT NO. 04-107

22 EMERGENCY HOUSING REPAIRS, WHICH IS ADMINISTERED BY

23 NEIGHBORHOOD HOUSING OF SCRANTON.

24 MR. DIBILEO: You've heard reading by

25 title of Item 6-B, what is your pleasure?
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1 MR. POCIUS: Mr. President, I move that

2 6-B pass reading by title.

3 MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.

4 MR. DIBILEO: On the question? All

5 those in favor, signify by saying aye.

6 MS. EVANS: Aye.

7 MR. MCTIERNAN: Aye

8 MR. POCIUS: Aye.

9 MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.

10 MR. DIBILEO: Aye. Opposed? The ayes

11 have it and so moved.

12 MR. BLASI: 6-C, READING BY TITLE -

13 FILE OF THE COUNCIL NO. 159, 2005 - AN ORDINANCE -

14 AMENDING FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 114, 2003, TO AMEND THE

15 COMPOSITION OF THE FIREMEN'S RELIEF AND PENSION FUND

16 COMMISSION RESTORING SAID COMPOSITION OF SAID

17 COMMISSION TO THE COMPOSITION AS SET FORTH WITHIN

18 SECTIONS 2(a) AND 2(b) OF FILE OF THE COUNCIL NO. 14 OF

19 1964.

20 MR. DIBILEO: You've heard reading by

21 title of Item 6-C, what is your pleasure?

22 MR. COURTRIGHT: Mr. President, I move

23 that 6-C pass reading by title.

24 MS. EVANS: Second.

25 MR. DIBILEO: On the question?
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1 MS. EVANS: Yes. I was just wondering

2 if I could ask my honorable colleague Mr. Pocius why he

3 opposes this piece of legislation.

4 MR. POCIUS: Because it's been

5 appealed, and it may not happen. If we pass this thing

6 and it's overturned by the arbitrators, then it's

7 basically for nothing, so that's why I'm voting in the

8 negative right now. You asked me, and I am responding.

9 Thank you.

10 MS. EVANS: Thank you. I'm just

11 wondering, though, if the appeal fails and the

12 individuals remain seated and a new firm is hired, if

13 that is taken to court, is that firm then tossed out an

14 a new vote and a new firm put in place, I think, you

15 know, on the other hand we're looking at great legal

16 entanglements.

17 MR. POCIUS: I won't respond to that

18 because the hour is late, but I know the facts on

19 something like, so I'm not going to respond. It's too

20 late to debate you.

21 MR. DIBILEO: Okay. If there's no

22 further questions, all those in favor, signify by

23 saying aye.

24 MS. EVANS: Aye.

25 MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.
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1 MR. DIBILEO: Aye. Opposed?

2 MR. MCTIERNAN: No.

3 MR. POCIUS: No.

4 MR. DIBILEO: By a 3-2 vote, motion

5 passes.

6 MR. BLASI: Seventh order. 7-A, FOR

7 CONSIDERATION BY THE COMMITTEE ON RULES - FOR ADOPTION

8 - FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 156, 2005 - AN ORDINANCE -

9 AMENDING FILE OF THE COUNCIL NO. 113, 2003, TO AMEND

10 THE COMPOSITION OF THE CITY OF SCRANTON COMPOSITE

11 PENSION BOARD RESTORING SAID COMPOSITION OF SAID

12 PENSION BOARD TO THE COMPOSITION AS SET FORTH WITHIN

13 SECTION 6 OF FILE OF THE COUNCIL NO. 154 OF 1987.

14 MR. DIBILEO: As chairperson for the

15 committee on rules, I recommend final passage of Item

16 7-A.

17 MR. COURTRIGHT: Seconded.

18 MR. DIBILEO: On the question? Roll

19 call please, Kay.

20 MS. GARVEY: Mr. McTiernan.

21 MR. McTIERNAN: No.

22 MS. GARVEY: Mrs. Evans.

23 MS. EVANS: Yes.

24 MS. GARVEY: Mr. Pocius.

25 MR. POCIUS: No.
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1 MS. GARVEY: Mr. Courtright.

2 MR. COURTRIGHT: Yes.

3 MS. GARVEY: Mr. DiBileo.

4 MR. DIBILEO: Yes. By a 3-2 vote, I

5 hereby declare Item 7-A legally and lawfully adopted.

6 MR. BLASI: 7-B, FOR CONSIDERATION BY

7 THE COMMITTEE ON RULES - FOR ADOPTION - RESOLUTION NO.

8 170, 2005 - A RESOLUTION - AUTHORIZING CITY OF SCRANTON

9 PARTICIPATION AND INDICATING SUPPORT FOR THE

10 POSSIBILITY OF INTERGOVERNMENTAL COOPERATION IN THE

11 CREATION OF A REGIONAL COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

12 MR. DIBILEO: As chairperson for the

13 committee on rules, I recommend final passage of Item

14 7-B.

15 MR. POCIUS: Seconded.

16 MR. DIBILEO: On the question? Roll

17 call please, Kay.

18 MS. GARVEY: Mr. McTiernan.

19 MR. McTIERNAN: Yes.

20 MS. GARVEY: Mrs. Evans.

21 MS. EVANS: Yes.

22 MS. GARVEY: Mr. Pocius.

23 MR. POCIUS: Yes.

24 MS. GARVEY: Mr. Courtright.

25 MR. COURTRIGHT: Yes.
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2 MR. DIBILEO: Yes. I hereby declare

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4 seeing no further business on the agenda, I'll

5 entertain a motion we adjourn.

6 MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.

7 MS. EVANS: Second.

8 MR. DIBILEO: We're adjourned.

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