02 SCRANTON CITY COUNCIL MEETING
09 Thursday, July 14, 2005
12 12:00 p.m.
15 Council chambers
15 Scranton City Hall
16 340 North Washington Avenue
16 Scranton, Pennsylvania
23 Lisa M. Graff, RPR
24 Court Reporter
01 CITY OF SCRANTON COUNCIL:
04 MR. GARY DIBILEO, COUNCIL PRESIDENT
06 MS. JANET EVANS, COUNCIL VICE-PRESIDENT
08 MR. WILLIAM COURTRIGHT
10 MR. JOHN POCIUS
12 MR. ROBERT McTIERNAN (arrived where noted)
14 MARK WALSH, ESQUIRE, SOLICITOR
16 MR. JAY SAUNDERS, CITY CLERK
18 MR. NEIL COOLICAN, ASSISTANT CITY CLERK
01 MR. DIBILEO: Please stand for
02 the Pledge of Allegiance. Please remain standing for a
03 short prayer. Neil, can we have a roll call, please?
04 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. McTiernan.
05 Mrs. Evans.
06 MS. EVANS: Here.
07 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. Pocius.
08 MR. POCIUS: Here.
09 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. Courtright.
10 MR. COURTRIGHT: Here.
11 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. DiBileo.
12 MR. DIBILEO: Here. I
13 believe that Mr. McTiernan will be joining us today,
14 but I understand he'll be coming a little bit late, so
15 we'll look forward to having him here.
16 If we can dispense with the
17 reading of the minutes, please, Mr. Walsh.
18 MR. WALSH: Yes, Mr. President.
19 Third order, there's no third order business other than
20 clerk's notes this afternoon.
21 MR. DIBILEO: Okay. And we'll ask
22 Mr. Saunders when he gets a chance to go over any
23 clerk's notes.
24 MR. SAUNDERS: Mr. President, I
25 just want to go over a couple of things with us quickly
01 here. Next week's meeting will be at the regular time.
02 The 21st and the 28th, the meeting will be Thursday at
03 seven o'clock. The schedule changed for this week.
04 Daron USA, I spoke with Jim Finan.
05 The question was, Bill Fiorini had asked us if we can
06 be in touch with the county and actually talk to the
07 county about bringing the trucks in over the railroad
08 tracks on the back end of it.
09 There's a ton of issues there
10 bringing them over the railroad tracks. We have to go
11 through a -- where the department stores are in the
12 complex down there, but the one small issue there is
13 with the county, will the county allow us to go over
14 those railroad tracks and work with us.
15 Jim Finan, actually I never even
16 had to call him, he was kind enough after hearing it on
17 the meeting, called me and said that the county has
18 absolutely no problem helping us out in that
19 situation. He said just let him know what needs to be
20 done and he will do it.
21 This week and for the past several
22 months there has been an issue that we have dealt with
23 in the Council office that I just want to update
24 everybody on this, and Delores Ferrario that I talked
25 to last week, Council President DiBileo had talked to
01 her last week, also this is about Euclid Avenue,
02 Farr Street, North Main Avenue and the McDade
04 The problem happening here is that
05 exiting from Euclid Avenue, there is -- the site
06 distance is absolutely terrible, you cannot see and you
07 cannot get out on Main Avenue.
08 The recommendation from the state
09 that came down is make Euclid Avenue a one way. I
10 think that there would be many objections to that, I
11 don't know, but we will have to discuss that at a
12 further time, but Delores Ferrario had talked about
13 making a no turn on red coming down the
14 McDade Expressway onto Main Avenue.
15 After talking with Mr. Parker and
16 Mr. Parker drawing a sketch of this whole thing, there
17 still is a constant flow of traffic coming down. There
18 will be a green light coming off the McDade Expressway
19 onto Main Avenue, so the site distance is bad on
20 Euclid Avenue.
21 When there's a green light on
22 Main Avenue, there's still a bad site distance. He
23 said the only thing that he could recommend to us is a
24 one way.
25 He said the no turn on red sign
01 would still have a constant flow from Main Avenue
02 there, so there's no break for Euclid Avenue pulling
03 out on Main Street.
04 He is well aware that there is a
05 tremendous problem up there, but he said the only way
06 that he thinks that it could be done is by making
07 Euclid Avenue the block between Dorothy Street and
08 Main Avenue a one way. So, I think that's for further
09 discussion. I think that we --
10 MR. DIBILEO: Mr. Saunders, I know
11 we talked about this once before, and I think
12 Mrs. Ferrario questioned whether or not the request
13 from us, from City Council went into the state for the
14 no turn on red at the Main Avenue Expressway Exit was
15 actually done, and we do have it in writing the state's
17 Now, their response is that
18 Euclid Avenue would be a one-way street going into
19 Euclid Avenue up to Dorothy, and then the exit for say
20 basically almost all of Tripp Park back to Main Avenue
21 would come down to Farr Street.
22 Now, there's something that, you
23 know, we'll have to give some thought to, whether we
24 want to, you know, entertain that or not, because
25 that's a big change from what people are used to for
01 many, many years.
02 But the fact is, we did request
03 from the state that no turn on red, and they have given
04 us their opinion on that matter.
05 MR. SAUNDERS: I did talk to
06 Delores Ferrario about that. I actually read her the
07 letter and gave her the dates that we had sent them
08 out, and also the responses back from PennDOT on this
09 issue, and, yes, that is PennDOT's recommendation is to
10 make that a one way.
11 MR. DIBILEO: And we might add
12 that if anybody from the Tripp Park area watching our
13 meetings might be in favor of that change, the one way
14 entering Euclid and the one way exiting out to
15 Main Avenue on Farr Street, please let us know,
16 otherwise, you know, we'll be talking about it in the
17 future. Thank you.
18 MR. SAUNDERS: That's all I have,
19 Mr. President.
20 MR. DIBILEO: Okay. Thank you,
21 Mr. Saunders. Appreciate that.
22 MR. WALSH: Fourth order.
23 Citizen participation.
24 MR. DIBILEO: We have a sign-in
25 sheet, and the first person on the sign-in sheet is
01 Surai Padu. And for the record, please give your name
02 and address.
03 MR. PADU: My name is Surai Padu.
04 I live at 1255 Loomis Avenue, Taylor, Pennsylvania.
05 I'm vice-president of Northeast Credit and Collections
06 with responsibility for collection floor management and
07 corporate training.
08 I've been with NCC for about three
09 and a half years. In my job capacity, I'm responsible
10 for managing a staff who collects for the City of
11 Scranton delinquent real estate tax and waste
12 delinquent accounts.
13 I'm here today to briefly identify
14 the work currently performed by NCC for the City of
15 Scranton. NCC books delinquent tax and waste fee
17 We send a series of collection
18 letters and make phone calls in an attempt to collect
19 money due to you, the City of Scranton.
20 We have eight to ten dedicated
21 collectors for this function. Our collectors set up
22 monthly payment plans for those homeowners who simply
23 can't afford to pay the entire delinquent tax or waste
24 fee, and we monitor these payments for broken promises.
25 NCC processes in person payments.
01 We post and process mail payments, we perform tax
02 searches for properties that are being sold or
04 NCC also provides monthly payments
05 for the city on what is collected -- on what is
06 collected together with a transmittal report.
07 All services performed by NCC are
08 funded by a referral fee added to the base tax garbage
09 delinquency, plus city penalties, and these services do
10 not cost the City of Scranton any money, but rather NCC
11 services are paid in full by delinquent taxpayers as
12 payment is collected.
13 I'm proud to be a part of the NCC
14 management team and the job we do for the City of
15 Scranton. I know many Council have been to our company
16 to tour the facilities and meet our employees, and many
17 of them who are current residents of the City of
18 Scranton, and I thank you for your visit. It means a
19 lot to our work force. As I said, many of them who are
20 City of Scranton residents that the elected
21 representatives of our clients supports the work we do.
22 Thank you.
23 MR. DIBILEO: Thank you very
24 much. Patricia Cobb.
25 MS. COBB: My name is Patty Cobb,
01 I'm employed at 120 North Keyser Avenue, Scranton,
03 Mr. DiBileo, Mrs. Evans,
04 Mr. Courtright and Pocius, thank you for the
05 opportunity to speak today.
06 I'm executive vice-president of
07 NCC. Surai has already described to you the work his
08 team does for the City of Scranton.
09 To put this work in concrete terms
10 as far as dollars and cents, NCC has collected since
11 May 1999, we've collected $7 and a half million in
12 delinquent waste fees and remitted in excess of
13 $6 million in waste fees to the city.
14 Since June of 2000, we've
15 collected $8.35 million in delinquent real estate
16 taxes, and remitted $6.7 million in these delinquent
17 taxes to the city.
18 And some NCC has provided over the
19 past five years in excess of $12.7 million to the City
20 of Scranton treasury.
21 To echo Surai, our company is very
22 proud of the numbers, and we're justifiably proud that
23 we can collect this money on behalf of the City of
25 I also want to briefly talk to
01 Council about NCC as a corporate citizen of Scranton
02 who've made a commitment become a major employer within
03 the city limits.
04 We currently have 145 employees.
05 Our starting salary is between two and four dollars
06 above minimum wage, and many of our employees average
07 in excess to $15 to $20 an hour with incentive pay.
08 They're good jobs in the
09 City of Scranton. NCC has become a regional national
10 player while trying to retain local clients. We've
11 received the Greater Scranton Chamber of Commerce Small
12 Business Of The Year Award in 2004.
13 This prestigious recognition is
14 awarded by an independent panel of judges made up of
15 all the local chairs of the business departments of six
16 universities in the Scranton and Wilkes-Barre area.
17 NCC has been featured in local
18 regional and national newspapers and trade articles,
19 including the Northeast Business Journal,
20 Collection Industry, which is a national collection
21 agency publication, and CNN Money, just to name a few.
22 Our company employees support
23 local restaurants and business. We're opened 65 hours
24 a week. We have people ordering lunch, dinner,
25 breakfast. The restaurants and delivery people come to
01 our shop all day.
02 We support local charities. We
03 sponsor annual fund-raisers. Our employees have
04 adopted several families through the Women's Resource
05 Center to help at holiday time.
06 Our company funds an annual
07 shopping spree for 50 to 75 children through
08 Sister Adrian and the Friends of the Poor. Our
09 managers and employees shop with these kids and enjoy a
10 company-sponsored lunch after.
11 We support all the churches in our
12 surrounding area. We accept employment referrals and
13 hire from local human service agencies. We maintain a
14 strong presence in Scranton. We provide jobs to city
15 residents and we support our client, the City of
17 We thank past and present
18 administrations for supporting NCC and its employees.
19 We thank past and present Council members for
20 supporting us, and we pledge to continue to work hard
21 for the City of Scranton and its taxpayers to collect
22 money due to the city. Thank you.
23 MR. DIBILEO: Thank you. Excuse
24 me. Patty, may I ask you just one quick question?
25 Can you tell me when your current contract with the
01 city runs?
02 MS. COBB: The current contract
03 with the city expires the end of this year.
04 MR. DIBILEO: 12/31 of '05.
05 MS. COBB: Just one other
06 question, is the City of Scranton the only account or
07 the main account that you handle?
08 MS. COBB: No, actually at this
09 point, Mrs. Evans, and I said this is -- we've become a
10 national company. The City of Scranton is an important
11 client of ours, but it represent about 6 percent of our
13 So, from that -- every client is
14 important, so it's a difficult question, but, no, it's
15 not a substantial part of our business. It is -- it's
16 our largest local client, if that helps.
17 MS. EVANS: Yes. Thank you.
18 MR. DIBILEO: Thank you.
19 Leo Sandy. Maryanne LaPorta.
20 MS. LAPORTA: Hello. This is very
21 impressive, and I'm ashamed to say that I haven't been
22 to council meetings, and I think it's the place to be.
23 My name is Maryanne LaPorta, I'm a
24 director of the Children's Advocacy Center of
25 Northeastern Pennsylvania, whose mission is to serve
01 child victims of abuse and neglect in our community and
02 throughout Northeastern Pennsylvania. Our location is
03 at 315 Colfax Avenue in the School of Nursing Building
04 at CMC.
05 My purpose for coming today is to
06 attest to the value that we perceive in the presence of
07 Southern Union and corporations of its magnitude in our
08 community, corporations that have a community
09 conscience and who help 501C-3's, as we are, to sustain
10 themselves and to grow in their services in the
12 I was asked to represent the
13 center on behalf of the board of directors, our medical
14 team, our forensic interview team and the child Victims
15 of abuse and neglect whom we serve to tell you that at
16 a moment of financial crisis in our growth and
17 development, we turn to Southern Union for substantial
18 assistance, and between 2003 -- in 2003 and 2004, we
19 were given $65,000 to continue to grow our services.
20 The reason for this growth was a
21 good one, because of our ambitious child abuse
22 prevention education program, the referrals were
23 increasing and we were able to see many more children
24 than we had ever seen before.
25 We had to grow the services, as
01 you would well imagine, and we went to them humbly but
02 begging for support. And without fanfare, without
03 press releases, without photo-ops, they examined the
04 proposal very closely, they came to the center for a
05 site visit, they met the team, they learned the
06 protocol and they understood the statistical
07 implications of what their assistance would mean for
09 And then in addition to that, they
10 engaged the employees that they have to learn what we
11 were all about, employees gave contributions,
12 Southern Union matched it.
13 So, I'm here to attest to the fact
14 that in a very meaningful, helpful supporting way,
15 Southern Union was able to help the
16 Children's Advocacy Center advance in its mission to
17 medically and forensically interview child victims of
18 abuse and neglect.
19 There are many corporations who
20 help us. I consider them community conscience filled,
21 and I just would urge our representatives to be sure
22 that in view of the big picture, the fact that their
23 presence in our city could lend incredible credibility
24 and integrity to our city, that in and of themselves
25 they could draw great promise and potential to our
01 city, and I would urge our representatives to negotiate
02 in whatever means you find available, but in a very
03 positive, proactive, friendly respectful manner, and I
04 guess that's basically my message. Are there any
05 questions? Thank you.
06 MR. DIBILEO: Thank you very
07 much. Stan Narsavitch.
08 MR. SPINDLER: Mr. DiBileo, Stan
09 was nice enough to switch with me, because I have to
10 get back, I'm on my lunch hour.
11 MR. DIBILEO: Sure.
12 MR. SPINDLER: I want to thank him
13 for the chance to speak before him.
14 MR. DIBILEO: Your name and
15 address, please.
16 MR. SPINDLER: Les Spindler,
17 Bullwer Street, Scranton, PA. I was going to talk
18 about this later, but since the lady before me brought
19 it up, I have a couple questions about Southern Union.
20 In the paper it said they were
21 supposed to move in a few Saturdays ago, does anyone
22 know if they did move in, because I didn't anything in
23 the paper, on the news.
24 MR. POCIUS: They're moved in. I
25 think they moved in over last week, from what I heard.
01 MR. SPINDLER: Okay. Next
02 question is, anybody know when that building is going
03 to be done, because I know they're not working on it.
04 I go by that building every single
05 day, and there's nothing at all being done. They say
06 all that has to be done is the outside, there's no one
07 there working on that building.
08 I mean, it's tying up two lanes of
09 traffic on one of the busiest streets in the city, and
10 if you go by now, there's absolutely nothing being done
11 to that building.
12 MR. DIBILEO: Don't know.
13 MR. SPINDLER: Can we find out if
14 and when it's ever going to be finished?
15 MR. DIBILEO: I'm sorry, Les.
16 We're not aware of that.
17 MR. SPINDLEr: Well, I am. I
18 mean, I go by it every single day. I mean, it's
19 supposed to be downtown development, but the only thing
20 that's developing is traffic in the city.
21 Okay. Next thing, something I
22 spoke about here for years, a problem in front of my
23 house, sidewalks getting flooded whenever it rains, and
24 I've still yet to hear anything.
25 MR. DIBILEO: Mr. Saunders, do you
01 have any information for Mr. Spindler?
02 MR. SAUNDERS: Nothing yet on
04 MR. SPINDLER: I mean, if I don't
05 hear something soon, I'm just going put something there
06 and talk matters into my own hands, and maybe I'll get
07 some action that way.
08 Next thing, two Sundays ago I was
09 driving by the Novembrino Complex, there were four
10 children standing out there holding their towels
11 looking in the fence, they didn't have money to go
12 swim. It broke my heart.
13 This is for Mr. Pocius and
14 Mr. McTiernan, if he shows up today. If either one of
15 you have a heart, you'll vote to override the mayor's
16 veto, thinking of these young children who couldn't
17 afford to swim, And it's the mayor's fault that they
18 can't swim.
19 Next thing, I asked a couple times
20 about the line painting, the corner of Franklin and
21 Spruce and going into the Steamtown Mall, so far the
22 lines haven't been painted, and two weeks ago it was
23 said that the mayor pulled people off line painting to
24 hang his signs, the summertime signs.
25 I think Mayor Doherty has his
01 priorities confused here. He pulls people off doing
02 something that's good for public safety to hang signs
03 to advertise what we're doing for the summer. I think
04 he better get his priorities in order.
05 MR. COURTRIGHT: Jay, we asked
06 about a -- I asked about a schedule for line painting,
07 did we get one?
08 MR. SAUNDERS: I talked to
09 Pat McMullen. I don't know if I went over this last
10 week, but I talked to Pat McMullen about it, he said
11 they were re-painting some of the things downtown, a
12 couple of the lanes, and also on Keyser Avenue by
13 the --
14 MR. COURTRIGHT: Could they give
15 us like a time line on when they're doing what, because
16 I --
17 MR. SAUNDERS: I did ask him. He
18 said that the problem with the time line if it rains,
19 they're off the time line. I said just give us a
20 ballpark figure, he said he would do that.
21 MR. POCIUS: North Washington and
22 Linden was done.
23 MR. SPINDLEr: We haven't had much
24 rain lately, I know that.
25 MR. COURTRIGHT: We're asking,
01 Les. That's the answer we got, Buddy.
02 MR. SPINDLER: Thank you. I think
03 it's a public safety issue, the two spots I'm talking
05 Lastly, last Saturday's paper
06 there was a quote by the mayor, Our oath as elected
07 officials is to put the people first, not a political
09 Well, that's funny coming from a
10 man that wasn't there when the troops came home, wasn't
11 there when the people in the Plot Section got flooded,
12 didn't show up anywhere until the last four years now,
13 he's charging people in the city a dollar to swim and
14 more at Nay Aug, he's costing the people of this city
15 hundreds of thousands of dollars appealing the
16 decisions with the unions, does this sound like a man
17 that's for the people of this city? I don't think so.
18 I think Mayor Doherty is a little
19 confused. You didn't see him for almost four years,
20 and now you see him everywhere. I was at a picnic over
21 the weekend, he was there for both nights.
22 Mayor Doherty is like a leap year, he only comes around
23 once every four years. Thank you.
24 MR. DIBILEO: Stan Narsavitch.
25 MR. NARSAVITCH: Stan Narsavitch
01 from Farr Street in Scranton, another forgotten
03 I'd like to speak to a subject
04 that I talked about last week or last meeting, and then
05 Mr. Pocius used a very broad brush to say that the
06 people that come to this podium should have their facts
07 with them when they come here, and I spoke about a
08 meeting up at Nay Aug Park, and I went through all of
09 that, and then I said that there was one thing that I
10 cannot verify, and that is Mrs. Shedlock's article
11 about the center not closing.
12 When I Emailed Mrs. Shedlock a
13 complaint about the way articles were changed or
14 sensored, she told me that occasionally the metro
15 editor will make changes, so I do not know if
16 Mrs. Miller is quoted accurately.
17 Now, my proof, Mr. Pocius, my fact
18 is an Email from Mrs. Shedlock, and if you want to see
19 that after the meeting, you're entitled to see it, and
20 I'll read it for you, it's, Mr. Narsavitch, June the
21 20th, 2005, It is standard practice for stories to be
22 occasionally altered during editing process. If you
23 have further questions, you can address them to the
24 metro editor. I won't mention his name. Lynn
01 I did not attack Ms. Shedlock.
02 My point was to the metro editor, not to her. Now,
03 your broad brush said that we were attacking, your
04 words, Mrs. Shedlock. I did not do that, and I take
05 objection to it.
06 Now, the other thing that I wanted
07 to bring up was I understand that there are
08 approximately 6,000 children in the school district
09 that get free lunches, and that must be some guideline
10 that the school district is set up for them to receive
11 those lunches, I would imagine it's a monetary thing.
12 MS. EVANS: Yes.
13 MR. NARSAVITCH: Okay. If they
14 qualify for free lunches because of monetary problems,
15 and this is minority families and low income families,
16 where are you, Mr. Pocius, Mr. McTiernan, and Mr.
17 Doherty, against those people, those children? They
18 have nothing to do with this thing. All they want to
19 do is swim in the summertime.
20 Now, if there are qualified for a
21 free lunch, then by God almighty they must be
22 qualifying for a free swimming. I do not understand
23 that. How could they not be qualified to swim free?
24 Your silence is thundering, believe me.
25 I am going to say again, I don't
01 know why these three men here, Mr. McTiernan, who is
02 not here, Mr. Pocius, and Mr. Doherty are so against
03 minority family children and low income family children
04 that won't allow them to swim free.
05 Now, I heard people come to this
06 podium and spout out about not being raised properly
07 and not teaching their children properly, and through
08 that whole rigmarole, well, I'd like to ask those
09 people would they like an eight or nine-year-old child
10 to go down to the bus station and shine shoes to make
11 money to go swimming?
12 Yeah, I know that's ridiculous.
13 Or do they want them -- how about slate pickers? Years
14 ago they had eight or nine-year-old kids picking slate
15 in the breakers, is that what you want an eight or
16 nine-year-old to do in order to go swimming?
17 I think you've got to exercise and
18 review the whole matter, in my opinion. I think it's
19 absolutely ridiculous. Thank you.
20 MR. DIBILEO: Thank you,
21 Mr. Narsavitch.
22 MR. POCIUS: Mr. DiBileo, I will
23 respond to his comments on my time. I didn't want to
24 get into a tit for tat at this point in time.
25 MR. DIBILEO: Okay. Sure.
01 Don Constantini.
02 MR. CONSTANTINI: My name is Don
03 Constantini. I live at 129 Lakeview Avenue
04 in Scranton. I'm the owner of James W. Cox Sheet Metal
05 up on East Mountain.
06 We have been in business since
07 1922, which is 83 years. We've been in business as a
08 family-owned business. We are a totally union shop.
09 We employ 17 sheet metal workers and one carpenter.
10 We are also a large taxpayer to the City of Scranton on
11 our properties and our wage taxes.
12 Our union men are trained for four
13 years through a program, so they become a skilled
14 worker so we can go out and produce this work and make
15 it acceptable to our clients.
16 Southern Union chose to utilize us
17 for this project that they have in town. They provided
18 us with a contract of over $400,000 for manufacturing
19 of copper roof panels, installation of them, and other
20 miscellaneous work for that building.
21 As we speak right now, my men are
22 still working on this project. Our part of the project
23 will probably be completed by another month from now,
24 and it was a great project for us and we're glad to
25 have it in the City of Scranton.
01 These types of jobs do not come
02 very much in the City of Scranton because we are a
03 union shop. Most of the work being done is by
04 non-unions, but this Southern Union company chose to
05 use us for this project.
06 Not only did this provide work for
07 our local people, it also kept them off the
08 unemployment line. It was a major project. We also
09 purchased many of the items from the local vendors and
10 supplies from around here.
11 If you looked at all the signs
12 that were posted around the fence around Southern
13 Union, there was approximately 30 signs. Of those 30
14 signs, they're all local contractors. Everything was
15 kept local in our area.
16 The project was a great boost for
17 our local construction industry. At the time when this
18 project was going on, there was very much high
19 unemployment in our construction field. This brought a
20 lot of people to work and kept them working.
21 When Southern Union purchased
22 Enron, they did not dessert the structure of this
23 project, they kept this project going. They lived up
24 to all their contracts and are finishing this to the
25 very end of their contract.
01 They also have an incredible
02 payment history. You send a bill to them, the bill was
03 paid immediately within one week to two weeks tops.
04 They are very good people.
05 They should not be criticized or
06 penalized for the recent need to downsize their
07 structure of their Scranton office because they have
08 brought in so much to our community just by completing
09 this building.
10 The Southern Union building is a
11 beautiful building. It's going to be there forever.
12 What was there before that was torn down, it was an
13 eyesore to the city, and now we have a beautiful
14 building sitting there.
15 Southern Union is currently
16 employing people in that building right now, and
17 eventually because of their downsizing, they will be
18 employing other aspects into that building which will
19 create more revenue to the city.
20 As a Scranton taxpayer and
21 resident and owner of James W. Cox & Son, I hope that
22 Southern Union will be able to retain their KOZ
23 status. I ask that you will not penalize them because
24 of the changes within their company that are
25 unavoidable. Thank you.
01 MR. DIBILEO: Thank you very much,
02 Mr. Constantini. Thank you, Mr. Constantini.
03 MS. EVANS: Just one thing,
04 though, before we move along. Mr. Constantini I'm very
05 pleased that Southern Union utilized your particular
06 business, that's definitely a plus, because I like to
07 see union workers local, union workers, being employed
08 within the City of Scranton, so I agree, that is highly
09 commendable, and I believe everyone is appreciative of
10 Southern Union's decision to come to Scranton, however,
11 there are government guidelines concerning the awarding
12 of KOZs and KOEZs that have to be met, so it really
13 isn't an issue, let us say, particularly for City
14 Council or one that is overseen by City Council. I'm
15 sure these are state guidelines that must be met.
16 So, in order to be in compliance
17 with those guidelines, the situation may have to be
18 reviewed, and that is a situation that is in the hands
19 of a government above and beyond City Council, because
20 I'm sure as a labor contractor, you are aware that
21 there are requirements and guidelines to every
22 agreement that absolutely have to be met, and the
23 situation is beyond anyone's control. Thank you.
24 MR. CONSTANTINI: There are also
25 other KOZs that are being done that should be checked
01 if they don't meet their standards, also.
02 MS. EVANS: I agree, I agree.
03 But, again, there's a matter of state compliance rather
04 than local compliance.
05 MR. CONSTANTINI: But it was good
06 of Southern Union to hire everyone locally.
07 MR. DIBILEO: I'm sorry,
08 Mr. Constantini, but we're not going to be able to
09 entertain anything further from the audience.
10 MS. EVANS: Thank you, Mrs. Evans
11 and Mr. Constantini. Andy Sbaraglia.
12 (WHEREUPON, Mr. McTiernan entered the meeting.)
13 MR. SBARAGLIA: Andy Sbaraglia,
14 Main Street, Scranton. Fellow Scrantonians, at the
15 last meeting we had I asked about the status of that
16 letter of credit with the SRA that Jay was going to
17 check into, did he check into it at all?
18 MR. SAUNDERS: I --
19 MR. DIBILEO: Mr. Saunders.
20 MR. SAUNDERS: I have to admit
21 that I did not. Mr. Sbaraglia, I will get that for
22 you, I promise you. I didn't get around to it this
24 MR. SBARAGLIA: Because when they
25 put out their report, the letter of credit was not
01 mentioned in it at all in their audit, and I was
02 wondering why the letter of credit was dismissed but
03 the loan was put in there. We're talking about
04 $24 million that the SRA got their hands on,
05 $12 million from this Council, and another $12 million
06 from the bond issue. Now, somewhere along the line
07 that should be accounted for in their SRA audit.
08 Okay. As you know, the mayor
09 vetoed our pool, okay? I can understand that he finds
10 that for some reason or other that our pools are unsafe
11 or whatever he wants to say about them, but people down
12 the line have addressed these problems, and it's funny
13 he never looked into a solution of a compromise,
14 because a lot of people down the line say if the kid is
15 eight years old, he can't swim alone, he must come with
16 a parent or a baby-sitter or a guardian, okay? If it's
17 over that, then he can swim.
18 Now, that would have been a
19 compromise if they called this a safety issue.
20 MR. MCTIERNAN: Mr. Sbaraglia, if
21 I can remind you, several weeks ago I proposed that
22 compromise specifically to try to encourage family use
23 of the pools, even as late as the last -- the 7th order
24 vote on that legislation, so that information or that
25 proposal is still out there. It's absolutely a great
01 idea, having more adults around the pools. Encouraging
02 family use of our municipal is really a great idea. I
03 agree with you.
04 MR. SBARAGLIA: There's no
05 question about it, because it should not be a political
06 issue. Children should not be made a pawn in any
07 political issue. Children are children. They deserve
08 what we can give them.
09 Maybe we can't give them
10 everything we would want to give them, but we should
11 give them at least what we can afford to give them.
12 Well, that's it. Now we got a
13 problem there. Does anybody know how our beds are
14 protected down there at the Hilton? Because I'm really
15 concerned about these beds and the light fixtures and
16 some of these other things that we own at that hotel.
17 Have they been protected or are we
18 going to lose them when they go bankrupt? Has the
19 mayor protected us when he writes these little
20 contracts he does? I know he doesn't protect us.
21 MR. DIBILEO: Is anyone aware of
22 the situation?
23 MS. EVANS: Mr. Sbaraglia, I have
24 copies of the various agreements and ordinances that
25 have been passed since the inception of the project,
01 and it appears to me, and incidentally, I would be very
02 happy to share the information with you, but it appears
03 to me that those rights are protected, however, I don't
04 know that if the mayor wished to include the
05 furnishings in any type of resale, that he would be
06 prohibited from doing so. I would have to have an
07 attorney examine the information that I have in order
08 to ascertain that information.
09 But as I said from what I have
10 read, it appears that the city's interests, financial
11 interests in terms of furnishings, etc., are well
13 MR. SBARAGLIA: Well, that's good.
14 When they declare bankruptcy, I know HUD, I never saw
15 the HUD agreement with the city, I know they enter
16 into -- HUD was reluctant just to give them the loan,
17 so they said they had to do something, so there's where
18 that bedding and fixtures and so forth came into the
20 But as long as we're protected,
21 that's all I care. We have $2 and a half million --
22 MS. EVANS: As I said, it appears
23 that we are, but I think what's most unfortunate
24 perhaps about the situation is that we, as you may have
25 noted during prior Council meetings, we traded a
01 subordinate position on the loan, a second lien for the
02 furnishings, and I also learned while reading through
03 all of this material and prior meeting minutes, that we
04 also had a second position on the Hotel Casey.
05 So, it seems that rather than,
06 and, again, I emphasize seems, that rather than
07 bargaining up, we were bargaining down. Nevertheless,
08 what we have is protected.
09 MR. SBARAGLIA: Well, that's a
10 good part of it, because as you know, the money that
11 they borrowed came from the county. You know, the
12 county lent them money, they used the money to pay off
13 their debts they had with their own money, so they
14 actually -- the people running this hotel had none of
15 their own money invested in this hotel, and that may be
16 one of the reasons why it went downhill.
17 If you've got no financial
18 incentive in a building, why care about it? But
19 anyway, that's what happened. The main thing is if
20 we're protected, because we got almost as much money
21 invested in that hotel as the bond holders.
22 If you ever go back to the
23 original stuff, we got $10 million from the state, plus
24 we gave so many million and a half to buy back the lot
25 at the Casey, I think it was something like $1 and a
01 half million, we took the money that was supposed to be
02 spent to fix up the garage, the old Casey garage, and
03 gave that to them, too. So, we got maybe $13 or $14
04 million in public money invested in that. Thank you.
05 MR. DIBILEO: Thank you,
06 Mr. Sbaraglia. And it should be noted, Mr. Sbaraglia,
07 that all those agreements will be reviewed thoroughly.
08 It's the early stages of the process now. We will be
09 sure to make sure that the city's interest is protected
10 in all different ways and we'll look at the entire
11 situation regarding the agreements that are in place.
12 Regina Yetkowskas.
13 MS. YETKOWSKAS: Regina
14 Yetkowskas, Scranton resident and taxpayer. I continue
15 with my observations on the primary election. My
16 observation deals with the Scranton Times, its news
17 articles on Mr. Doherty for four years and its campaign
18 reporting before the primary election.
19 I believe all the Times reporting
20 substantially contributed to downgrading Mr. Doherty's
21 easy election victory to only a squeaker win, and that
22 may change completely in November. It will be a winner
23 take all race in November.
24 We all know the Scranton Times is
25 in business to make a profit. It is entitled to
01 operate such a manner to earn that profit. While
02 pursuing its mission, the Times has the right to print
03 opinions in its editorials and on its op-ed pages.
04 But the people also believe the
05 Times has at least two duties to its readers, the first
06 is to keep editorial comment and opinions out of its
07 news stories, and the second is to refrain from
08 publishing slanted news stories.
09 To me, a slanted news story is one
10 that is all one-sided, one or one that deliberately
11 leaves out relevant facts. This is all the more
12 important with the Times, because a number of years ago
13 the Times announced its conversion to an independent
15 The facts and the recent campaign
16 reporting show it is not so. Aside from its
17 editorials, when one reads the Times campaign reports,
18 the immediate observation is when the article dealt
19 with Mr. Doherty, it was all positive and praised what
20 he allegedly did for the city, even if further checking
21 would prove Mr. Doherty did not deserve the credit he
23 I do not recall any Scranton Times
24 stories on Mr. Doherty's borrow and spend policies or
25 on his deficits while in office or what was or is the
01 city's and the municipal authority's financial
02 conditions on any given day or the accuracy of
03 Mr. Doherty's operating budgets or the approximate
04 amount of lost real estate taxes through KOZs.
05 In short, I suggest the people
06 perceive the Scranton Times did not give them accurate,
07 fair, independent or complete reports when the news
08 stories dealt with Mr. Doherty's administration for
09 four years or his re-election campaign.
10 As I said before, the people are
11 much more intelligent than thought by the politicians
12 and now the Scranton Times.
13 No matter what the Scranton Times
14 thinks, my observations and beliefs were supported
15 in the recent primary election.
16 What was the effect of my beliefs
17 and possibly the people's beliefs on the conduct of the
18 Scranton Times for four years and the primary election
20 I believe the Times is no longer
21 the average person's voice. It no longer reflects the
22 taxpayer's attitude. It can no longer mold the
23 people's thought, as it once did.
24 Even though the Scranton Times
25 still retains its monopoly in this area, it lost much
01 of its force in Scranton politics.
02 I believe the reason is because
03 its general contents, its news stories and editorials
04 have caused the Times to lose much of its credibility
05 and more of its relevance.
06 If I am correct in my beliefs and
07 am supported by the people's similar thoughts, than an
08 effect of all this will be that the Times lost or will
09 lose readers and subscribers. The people will get
10 their news from many other sources that now exist.
11 Many people who speak at this
12 podium voice the same opinions about the Scranton Times
13 as I do. I believe the Scranton Times endorsements of
14 future political candidates will not be an asset, on
15 the contrary, it will be like an albatross around that
16 candidate's neck.
17 The Scranton Times is run by
18 competent professionals with much experience in the
19 news field. There are devoted to their profession in
20 journalism. As a result, these Times professionals may
21 hear what I say, but do not listen to what I say.
22 After all, I am only a local
23 senior citizen who meets with the people on a daily
24 basis. With Scranton's population and potential
25 readers continuing to decrease, it might be a good idea
01 for the Scranton Times to set its monopolistic
02 arrogance aside for a while and come back to the
03 people. Thank you.
04 MR. DIBILEO: Thank you,
05 Ms. Yetkowskas. Christopher O'Brien.
06 MR. O'BRIEN: Christopher O'Brien,
07 Green Ridge section resident since 2001. Good
08 afternoon, Council. I'm here today as a Scranton
09 taxpayer. I've always filed and paid my taxes on time,
10 so I'm here to talk about the other side of the issue
11 that NCC was speaking about today, tax refunds.
12 I filed my taxes this year on
13 approximately February 15 in person at the office, so I
14 know they were received. Unfortunately for me I was
15 due a refund this year. It's always good to hear when
16 you do your taxes.
17 Since that day, it has been 21
18 weeks, 147 days since I filed my tax return, 147 days.
19 I have not received my refund.
20 I began my search for answers
21 through the tax office and what I considered a
22 reasonable amount of time, the end of April, nine
23 weeks, 63 days after filing my return.
24 An employee in the office
25 responded to me, None of these refunds have yet been
01 processed, sir. I asked them, Don't you process them
02 as they come in?
03 No, the computer system does not
04 allow us to do that. Okay. So much for my incentive
05 to file my taxes from now on. I'll probably wait until
06 April 15.
07 So, I waited a few weeks, call
08 back in mid-May. Now it's 12 weeks, 84 days since I
09 filed my tax return. No refunds have yet been
10 processed, Sir, I'm informed.
11 Do you know when they will be?
12 No, I don't have an answer for you for that. This is
13 the first time I asked to speak to their supervisor,
14 Kenny McDowell, our Scranton tax collector, of which I
15 was informed he was not there.
16 In the following weeks I would go
17 through similar conversations, always polite and
18 courteous, and I'll say the office was always -- the
19 workers were always polite and curious to me, as well,
20 even when they knew what I was going to ask them.
21 But I begin to ask myself, Where
22 is Kenny McDowell? Why am I not getting any answers?
23 So, finally June 15th now, we're at four months, 16
24 weeks, 112 days since I filed my tax return. Don't
25 have my refund.
01 This is where I reached my point
02 of lack of patience. Getting no answers, I began
03 writing letters to the Times-Tribune. And although
04 none were published, there was an article that appeared
05 on July 6, which is still accessible through their
06 website archives quoting Kenny McDowell saying the
07 refunds were only one month late. At this point I have
08 waited five months, 20 weeks, 140 days.
09 Many are owed much more than me,
10 so I feel, you know, a little reserved in my complaints
11 as I read in the paper, one woman is owed $2600 in a
12 refund with a KOZ zone, and she's waited at least three
13 months if she filed on the last day to file in April.
14 So, this past Monday I went in
15 person down to the Jefferson Avenue office, and the
16 employees were very courteous, and now they can tell me
17 my refund is pending. No date, no timetable, nothing.
18 So, I still don't have an answer where I'm getting my
20 So, I've gone from a slightly
21 impatient taxpayer to an enraged, even motivated,
22 Scranton citizen. I've corresponded with they mayor's
23 office, I've corresponded with a couple members on
24 Council, and I have heard back from Mr. DiBileo, which
25 I want to acknowledge, before I was able to contact the
01 rest of the members of Council.
02 I've also found out that taxpayers
03 whose refunds are incoming lately, that there's a
04 possibility of interest being collected on refunds that
05 are overdue. Again, I'm still investigating this, but
06 this could be additional costs incurred by the city,
07 which is unnecessary, and we know how tight our budgets
09 Also of the many taxpayers due
10 refunds, figuring 3,000 refunds at an average of $100,
11 that's $300,000 that has not been put back into our
12 economy yet. There is money that's not going to
13 contractors, such as Mr. Constantini's business, not
14 going back to the woman who had to hire a contractor to
15 do her driveway, money not coming back into the
16 economics of the city.
17 And ironically enough what really
18 pushed me over the edge to come speak to you today as I
19 was going through the newspaper this morning, and ad,
20 call and tell us your story if you haven't gotten your
21 refund. I'll be on the phone this afternoon.
22 Now, fortunately for me as a voter
23 and a taxpayer, the tax office is up for re-election
24 in this November, and I can have my say then as far as
25 correcting what I see as mismanagement of this office;
01 however, up that point I'm here today to ask the
02 Council to hold accountability in the office and get me
03 and all the other taxpayers due some answers, and
04 answer the question as far as where is Kenny McDowell
05 and where is our tax refunds. That's all I have.
06 Thank you for your time.
07 MR. DIBILEO: Mr. O'Brien, thank
08 you. As you know, you sent me two Emails, and I said
09 that I'd look into it. Not knowing you were coming
10 today, I actually --
11 MR. O'BRIEN: I didn't either
12 until this morning.
13 MR. DIBILEO: I actually spoke,
14 believe it or not, to a representative from the tax
15 office this morning. I just handed Neil that person's
17 So, why don't you take that little
18 note and call that person, and she said she'll help you
19 out and let you know what the status is of your refund.
20 MR. O'BRIEN: Okay. And, I mean,
21 I'm not here just for my personal refund, I think
22 that's -- I mean, I -- we get our state refunds back in
23 four to six weeks, which I did by mail, I didn't do it
24 electronically. You know, five months is entirely too
25 long. Thank you.
01 MR. DIBILEO: Thank you. Jane
03 MS. CORCORAN: Hi. My name is
04 Jane Corcoran, a West Scranton resident. First things
05 first, I did say I had those pictures of those women
06 that I took up at the park, and I don't know who they
07 are, perhaps you can find out who there are and give
08 them -- can I --
09 MR. DIBILEO: Yeah, leave them
10 with Neil, Ms. Corcoran. Thank you.
11 MS. CORCORAN: Okay. What I
12 wanted to bring up is, I've got to get the pictures out
13 of the way, as far as swimming goes, and I believe -- I
14 don't think there's anything wrong with a dollar, and
15 I'll tell you why, I see these kids in the store, they
16 got more money than me.
17 And, you know, like at these
18 Sunoco things, they're in there, they're buying candy,
19 they're buying these trucks. They got more money than
20 I have, probably more money in their pocket than half
21 of us.
22 In Brentwood Long Island, where I
23 used to live, they had a very good program. It didn't
24 matter if you had three kids, five kids, nine kids, ten
25 kids, you went as a parent -- I think half of the
01 problem is we need parenting and we need a youth
03 Parenting, because I kind of
04 wonder why can't you even feed your kids lunch. I
05 really do have a little bit of a problem with that
06 myself, okay? I'm sorry I do, but I do. Even
07 breakfast, I mean, when you become a parent, you're
08 supposed to feed your kids. That's -- I don't know.
09 I'm just old fashioned.
10 Okay. We have that program, fine.
11 But in Brentwood you went down and you took your
12 picture and your kid, and then they wore their little
13 tag. If they didn't have their tag, they didn't swim.
14 How many times my kids went down
15 without their tag, tough nuts, go home, get your tag.
16 Now you swim tomorrow. Now you won't forget your tag.
17 Five bucks for the family, whatever it was, I don't
18 know, five or $10.
19 And why don't we work it that way,
20 then you don't have to worry about this kid can't swim,
21 this kid can't, you know.
22 They have their little badge,
23 they're all Scranton residents, you know. I cannot
24 believe that people cannot put out for their family a
25 five dollar when it comes -- okay, now the summer is
01 coming and we're going to do this, okay?
02 And I think I've been hearing a
03 little, and I have been hearing a little overtones,
04 kind of racial undertones here and there coming and
05 going, and I think we have to stop that. It has to be
06 our community, not this community, that community.
07 And a youth offenders program, I
08 had some kids steal money out of my car 2 feet from my
09 husband, a big guy like you guys, right? And I'm
10 thinking, Now, if you're doing that at nine, what are
11 you going to do at eleven, what are you going to do at
12 fourteen and at sixteen?
13 I say put them -- let them go in a
14 jail cell for four hours and scare the crap out of
15 them, really, in all honesty, you know?
16 I mean, my son years ago was
17 put -- he's the commander in Delta Force, okay,
18 Green Beret, he was put in jail, he had to spend the
19 weekend. I had to get him out on Monday. He was as
20 white as a ghost. He hugged me, I'm never going to
21 commit a crime. Well, he never did.
22 And I'm talking to these kids,
23 these little gangs taking my money and stuff, and I
24 started talking to them, and I'm saying, Did you ever
25 read Oh Henry? They don't even know what Oh Henry is.
01 I said, Start reading. They're small short stories,
02 three, four pages long, you know that.
03 I told the one kid, he's up here
04 from New York, I said when are you going to come -- and
05 I know where he's from, I said, I know 200 Street, I
06 lived there.
07 I said, You're coming back next
08 year, I want you to read Homer's Iliad and the Odyssey.
09 Go on, do it. You're old enough. I read it long
10 before. I had to read it in grade school. You guys
11 are in high school.
12 You don't know who Oh Henry is,
13 find out. Read it. I said, Take the Reader's Digest,
14 that page of Word Power, even if that's all you do.
15 Learn the words. Do something, you know?
16 I mean, start off as little
17 reading like the little Oh Henry short stories. I
18 think the schools have to do that. You know, teach the
19 black children the wonderful history of Metger Evers
20 and the terrible things that happened to that one boy,
21 my aphasia is coming in, you know, who was beaten
22 terribly right around that time of Metger Evers.
23 They have to learn about this. I
24 mean, we all have to learn about this, the white kids,
25 the black kids, all the kids. We're one community. We
01 have to learn that we're not this, that and this. We
02 have to be one community.
03 And I want to end this with, and
04 the lady is here from the Advocacy Center, why don't
05 we, Scranton, Pennsylvania, a beautiful town, I'm a
06 native New Yorker, we're good people, why don't we
07 start the Jessica Law right here? You hurt a kid,
08 you're going to 25 years the first time. You're not
09 going to be out.
10 MS. EVANS: Thank you,
11 Mrs. Corcoran. Maybe you can come back next week and
12 address the Jessica Law. But I just wanted to add
13 before you leave that the City of Scranton does offer a
14 family season passion for swimming. It costs $100.
15 Last summer it was $75. It's been increased by $25
16 this summer.
17 MS. CORCORAN: Like a badge that
18 the kids could wear. Here I am, there I am. Here I
19 am. Here's my badge, I go swimming. I don't have my
20 badge, hike back home.
21 MS. EVANS: Thank you. Good
22 idea. Fred Budzinski.
23 MS. EVANS: Please state your name
24 and address for the record.
25 MR. BUDZINSKI: Fred Budzinski,
01 Jermyn Apartments.
02 MS. EVANS: Thank you.
03 MR. BUDZINSKI: Council, fellow
04 seniors, now, a woman brought to my attention she was
05 coming from Holy Rosary Bingo coming up
06 Providence Road, and right by that new high school, she
07 tells me it's kind of dark there, and it's pretty hard.
08 And drivers coming from the opposite direction blinded
09 her, and she said thank God she didn't even get in an
10 accident. She would like the city to look that over.
11 MR. COURTRIGHT: Fred, they're
12 already looking into that. We had that issue.
13 MR. BUDZINSKI: Well, I didn't
14 know that, but she brought that to my attention, you
15 know, and she almost got into a serious accident. And
16 God forbid if there was, you know what I mean?
17 MR. COURTRIGHT: Many months ago
18 School Director Jeffers brought that to our attention,
19 and they're looking into that.
20 MR. BUDZINSKI: Okay. Thank you.
21 Now, two weeks ago you had a gentleman here, and he had
22 a sense of humor, and he's talking about all those
23 benches, but just out of curiosity, I walked around the
24 courthouse, he was right, there's 37 benches, but also
25 there's seven picnic tables.
01 Now, there happened to be a couple
02 there with a couple children, I happened to get in a
03 conversation, she said she drove up to Easton. The
04 only reason she came up was to go to Steamtown.
05 Anyway speaking about benches,
06 there's a group of women I know that they're talking
07 about setting up a card table and some chairs, about
08 eight of them, I think, going in front of the
09 Globe Store and set up a card table and they're going
10 to try for petitions for benches downtown.
11 And they were kind of worried
12 about do they need a permit, and they're going to say,
13 Mr. Walsh, would these women need a permit on this?
14 MR. WALSH: Just explain to me
15 exactly what your question is, Fred.
16 MR. BUDZINSKI: These women are
17 thinking of having a petition to set up in front of
18 Wyoming Avenue both sides of the street, and they're
19 wondering do they need a permit for that?
20 MR. WALSH: What are they looking
21 to set up, Fred?
22 MR. BUDZINSKI: To set up a
23 petition to get a big list of names for benches
24 downtown so they don't have to be standing up on their
01 MR. WALSH: You know, a lot of the
02 things that you do in the City of Scranton you do need
03 a petition for. I don't know right off the hand
04 whether a petition is needed for that, but if these
05 ladies would like to know before they do it, tell them
06 feel free to give me a call and I'll check it out for
08 MR. BUDZINSKI: I will do that.
09 MR. WALSH: Not a problem,
11 MR. BUDZINSKI: They're shooting
12 for this one.
13 MR. WALSH: Certainly.
14 MR. BUDZINSKI: Now -- Oh, right,
15 this KOZ, I heard so much about KOZ, by the
16 Ritz Theater once side there's two empty stores, one
17 got a sign in the window KOZ, across the street empty,
18 no KOZ.
19 Go up the corner around
20 Spruce Street, there's an empty store with no sign, but
21 right across the street there's two empty, one of them
22 got KOZ.
23 You go down to where the bank was,
24 sign for rent, no KOZ, Arby's, sign, across the street
25 where John's was, no KOZ.
01 Now, this KOZ, and speaking about
02 guidelines, guidelines, and I think even Janet Evans is
03 not so sure what the guidelines is on some of these.
04 What is the guideline? Let's get this -- what s the
05 guidelines on KOZ, Mr. -- you? I mean, if you can fill
06 us in on that one.
07 MR. WALSH: I'd be happy to, Fred.
08 There's a lot of guidelines for KOZ, but generally what
09 the KOZ requires is that you come in and fix up the
11 Again, I could be here all morning
12 going over all of the guidelines that are required for
13 KOZs, and actually there's two programs, there's a KOZ
14 and there's a KOEZ, but if you've noticed the buildings
15 that were granted KOZ status, generally what they're
16 required to do is to come in, fix them up and make
17 them, you know, useful in the community again.
18 I know a lot of the buildings that
19 have gotten the KOZ. The benefit to that is that they
20 don't pay taxes on those properties. I believe it's
21 for 13 years.
22 You're not simply talking about
23 the real estate tax, you're also talking about the
24 local income tax, and I believe the state income tax,
25 as well.
01 I do have a list of the different
02 requirements for KOZs, because I know when we looked at
03 those issues. Mr. Saunders and I, I think we do have
04 lists on that, Fred. So, if you'd like those lists,
05 we'd be happy to give those to you, as well.
06 MS. EVANS: And if I could add to
07 that, what the attorney said is absolutely correct, but
08 in addition to that, a certain number of jobs must be
09 created for, I believe, low income or moderate
10 individuals within the community.
11 MR. BUDZINSKI: I understand, but
12 I think that some of these businesses, there would be
13 not more than two employees, some of them.
14 In my opinion these KOZ zones,
15 they should all be KOZs. No favoritism. There seems
16 to be there's favoritism on them.
17 Now, I was going to talk about the
18 Hilton. Could I have a minute to talk about the
20 MS. EVANS: Well, one minute.
21 MR. BUDZINSKI: Now, about the
22 Hilton, I think that was a lost cause from the
23 beginning. In the first place, they don't have their
24 priorities right. To begin with, they should have
25 fixed up that Casey Garage, and the Casey Garage would
01 have been finished, and then follow up with the Hilton.
02 And also, we got those hotel right
03 around Scranton, four in Scranton, and people ain't
04 traveling like they do with the price of gas.
05 And if it goes up for auction, I'd
06 say Ma Gerrity, put a bid on that. You could have a
07 nice Christmas party for your employees. Thank you.
08 MS. EVANS: Very good point.
09 Thank you.
10 MR. DIBILEO: Thank you,
11 Mr. Budzinski. Larry McAndrew.
12 MR. MCANDREW: Larry McAndrew,
13 Scranton resident and Scranton taxpayer. Good
14 afternoon, Council. I'm usually saying good evening.
15 This is quite unique.
16 There's a few things that I'd like
17 to address that has happened since we had our last
18 meeting, but I first want to say that we're having a
19 meeting Monday evening at 7 p.m., that's July 18, right
20 here at the chambers, the council chambers, and it
21 involves the Scranton Taxpayers Association and also
22 Lackawanna County, this includes.
23 I want to say that the people from
24 Vandling all the way down to Old Forge are invited.
25 Although we are a Scranton based organization, it
01 includes everybody. It's the whole community.
02 So, please try to make an effort
03 to attend so we can get your input in what direction
04 this taxpayers association should take up.
05 Our leader is Mr. Ozzie Quinn, a
06 fine gentleman, and I think our two meetings that we
07 had in the past showed that we have strong support,
08 that we're here to stay.
09 All right. Enough on that. I
10 want to say about July 4 ceremony, the flag ceremony at
11 Nay Aug Park, that was very interesting, myself and my
12 friend and our two dogs attended this ceremony, and it
13 was held at the lake by the pool, and although that was
14 nice, I think it should be held at the original spot
15 where the band stand was, in that area there, because
16 the speaker with the noise from the pool, we could not
17 hear exactly what she was saying.
18 The ceremony was nice. I think
19 the orchestra should have played a little longer, and
20 after this was done, we took a tour of our Nay Aug
22 My understanding is we put
23 $700,000 to $1,000,000 into that park. First off, I
24 want to say is this portable toilets that we have,
25 they're far and not enough available, and also we don't
01 have anywhere to wash our hands.
02 We should have some kind of wipes
03 or facilities so that we can go in and at least wash
04 our hands.
05 Also taking in the whole park, the
06 Wildlife Center was closed July 4 and July 5. Those
07 two days are the busiest days of the season. Is there
08 any reason why Mrs. Miller had those two days closed?
09 Does anybody know?
10 MR. DIBILEO: I'm not aware,
11 Mr. McAndrew.
12 MR. MCANDREW: I think she missed
13 out on quite a few donations on those two days.
14 MS. EVANS: Was it -- are you
15 saying Monday and Tuesday it would have been closed?
16 MR. MCANDREW: Yes, Mrs. Evans.
17 MS. EVANS: As far as I know the
18 zoo is closed every Monday and Tuesday, and in addition
19 there is a sign on the zoo currently that indicates the
20 zoo is not closing. But I know that it is closed for
21 those two days of the week.
22 MR. MCANDREW: I think with the
23 crowd that was there for the ceremonies for the
24 fireworks and so forth, she should have made an
25 exception to be open for those to days, because I think
01 donations would have been given to her Wildlife
03 On a humorous note here, but
04 before I get onto that, I also want to address
05 something else about Nay Aug Park, of the $700,000 or a
06 $1,000,000 that was invested in this park, I feel that
07 we got jipped here, that we didn't got our monies
08 worth. I didn't see any flowers planted anywhere along
09 that park to beautify it.
10 MS. EVANS: Mr. McAndrew, are you
11 talking $700,000 to a million invested?
12 MR. McANDREW: Yes.
13 MS. EVANS: Only for landscaping
14 because there has been many, many more millions
15 invested than that.
16 MR. MCANDREW: There's more than
18 MS. EVANS: Oh, yes. It
19 exceeds -- it far exceeds that amount.
20 MR. MCANDREW: I have people that
21 come up to this podium saying how beautiful this park
22 is, what I saw was a rundown park.
23 Excuse me, this is my opinion, if
24 we put all this money in here, I think the
25 Recreation Authority should have a public meeting and
01 explain where all this money went to, if this is how
02 much money we spent there.
03 There's other issues I'd like to
04 speak, if I could have another minute or so about this
06 MR. DIBILEO: Mr. McAndrew, would
07 you mind coming back next week with that?
08 MR. MCANDREW: Yes, sir. I thank
10 MR. DIBILEO: Thank you. That's
11 it for the sign-in sheet.
12 MS. BELLES: Good afternoon,
13 Council. My name is Jennifer Belles, I'm here again to
14 address issues concerning Daron Northeast.
15 I question today whether or not
16 they have come into compliance with the regulations set
17 forth by Mr. Fiorini. If they have, I would argue that
18 much more needs to be done.
19 To date, I think my street has
20 been cleaned once. That's giving them one time to do
21 it. The dust and the aggregate continue to blow onto
22 our homes. These piles are not covered, and it comes
23 in in the form of what seems to be an implosion, as
24 evidenced by this photograph.
25 MS. EVANS: We're fortunate we
01 have Mr. Fiorini with us today, and the after you
02 speak, I'm sure he'll address your issues.
03 MS. BELLES: I don't feel it's
04 okay to compromise our health, not on one day of the
05 year, let alone every day of the year.
06 I want to thank you, Janet Evans.
07 I know that you've done a lot of work and a lot of
08 progress is being made, so, again, I thank you.
09 MS. EVANS: And I thank you for
10 this photo, because it speaks volumes.
11 MS. BELLES: We have other
12 neighbors to thank for that. I guess my next question
13 would be more appropriately addressed to Mr. Mike
14 Wallace, the zoning commissioner, as to how and why a
15 business of this magnitude can continue to operate in
16 three full shifts without ever having filed a
18 I know they are a KOZ, I know that
19 there are certain regulations they have to follow, I'm
20 not sure if applying for a variance when acquiring a
21 building is one of them.
22 I have watched the zoning
23 commission on TV, I believe I'm correct when I say that
24 they do. There has never been a public hearing for
25 myself and the rest of the residents in that area to
01 come and voice our opinion in opposition of this
03 I don't understand why they are
04 immune to following the policy and procedures set forth
05 by the city. And I'd like to know when we will have
06 our public hearing.
07 MS. EVANS: Do you mean before the
08 zoning board?
09 MS. BELLES: Before the zoning
10 board, yes, because this is heavy industrial, and it
11 doesn't belong in a neighborhood across the street from
12 residential homes, and there was never a public
14 MS. EVANS: Daron never appeared
15 before the zoning board?
16 MS. BELLES: They never even filed
17 a variance. It has come to my attention in recent
18 weeks that they've never filed a variance.
19 MR. DIBILEO: I see Mr. Fiorini
20 shaking his head back there. Possibly he could address
21 that question.
22 MS. BELLES: Well, I know there
23 was never a public hearing, so I don't know.
24 MR. DIBILEO: Please. Could you
25 come up?
01 MS. BELLES: Okay. Mr. Fiorini
02 says it's light industrial, I would also like him to
03 describe the differences between light industrial and
04 heavy industrial.
05 MR. FIORINI: I don't have the
06 definitions between --
07 MS. BELLES: As best you can.
08 MR. FIORINI: If they want to
09 put me on the spot, that's fine. I'm not the zoning
10 officer, and I really can't interpret it, but I've
11 talked to Donny King about this that, you know, it has
12 been on Doherty.comdeceit and petitions have been
13 flying around down there that they had to have a
15 Being that it's designated as
16 light industrial, there's what they put in there. They
17 didn't need a hearing in front of the zoning board.
18 If they built something that
19 wasn't attached, then they would have to go in front of
20 planning and then the zoning board.
21 Light industrial, all they're
22 doing is manufacturing block there, and I think the
23 difference between light and heavy is that they would
24 be doing heavy manufacturing or fabrication of steel,
25 something like that, versus what they're doing there
02 I mean, I don't have the true
03 answer, but I will get the true answer for you on that,
04 the difference between the two.
05 MS. EVANS: If I might, though,
06 the zoning board does not conduct public hearings,
07 rather the applicant for a variance, etc., would come
08 before zoning, they would have been listed on an
09 agenda, a monthly agenda, they come before zoning, they
10 present their case in front of the members of the
11 zoning board, and any neighbor or any individual who
12 may be opposed or an advocate for the individual is
13 able to speak before zoning at that time; is that
15 MR. FIORINI: Yes.
16 MS. EVANS: And then the zoning
17 board renders its decision.
18 MR. FIORINI: Yes, what happens is
19 a person comes in, and let's say they need a variance
20 for a specific property or what they're doing, they
21 fill out an application, and that's a process.
22 Prior to the hearing, the zoning
23 officer, I think in a two block radius of the area, he
24 posts that on poles and etc. to notify the public, plus
25 it's put in the paper, so everybody has their
01 opportunity to come in and voice their opinion about it
02 for or against it, and that's the procedure. But in
03 this instance --
04 MS. EVANS: Yes. That's why I
05 just wanted to clear up what the difference was between
06 a public hearing, such as conducted by City Council and
07 a zoning hearing.
08 MR. FIORINI: Yeah, there's no
09 public hearing. I mean, the public hearing is when
10 they have the meeting here in City Council chambers,
11 then the public has a right to come up and voice their
12 opinion on it. That's the way it works.
13 But in the instance of Daron, you
14 know, it's zoned for that there, and that was the
15 determination of the city planner and the zoning
16 officer. They did not need to come in front of the
17 zoning board for approval.
18 The only time they do is when
19 there's a variance required or they come in front of
20 the planning commission when it's something new on a
22 MS. EVANS: Yes.
23 MR. FIORINI: Okay. Now that
24 we're on Daron Products, yesterday I had a meeting with
25 Jim Finan, he's the chairman of the Lackawanna County
01 Railroad, Mr. Parker was there, and the owners of
02 Daron U.S.A.
03 I'm making a first step to try to
04 get that rail crossing in. He needs four votes from
05 the board to get that crossing in there. He says it
06 may be a problem and it might not be a problem, but the
07 county commissioners told him to do what he has to do
08 to try to get that crossing in there.
09 Mr. Parker and myself and
10 Don King have pulled plot plans of the area around
11 there. We're trying to get PP&L in there because
12 there's pole lines in there.
13 The easiest thing would be if I
14 can get the owners of the mall to vacate 15 feet or
15 18 feet of their land, that we can use that to traverse
16 through, otherwise we're going to have to try another
17 route, but we still can use the same route. It's going
18 to take time.
19 I didn't know there was problems
20 with any dust mitigating from the property.
21 MS. EVANS: I'd like you to take a
22 look at the photo, as well. And has Daron completed
23 its paving project.
24 MR. FIORINI: Yes, that's been
01 MS. EVANS: And have you been back
02 to the location to --
03 MR. FIORINI: Yesterday was the
04 first I was back to the area on that. I mean, I'll
05 check it out. I think she mentioned something about
06 the street not being cleaned, I'll take a look at that.
07 MS. EVANS: I would just suggest
08 to you, Mr. Fiorini, that you continue to closely
09 monitor the situation, the air quality situation.
10 From this photo, it appears that
11 the solution hasn't been satisfactory. And I
12 understand that you're working on a long-term solution,
13 which would benefit everyone, and I do understand that
14 takes time, but in the meantime, we have to stay on top
15 of them weekly, if necessary, so that the residents
16 aren't being subjected --
17 MR. FIORINI: Right. But they're
18 going to have to call me and let me know what's going
19 on so I can go down there. I can't spend every day
20 down there, because -- can I have some more time?
21 MS. EVANS: Don't ask him. Ask
22 Mr. President.
23 MR. DIBILEO: Go ahead, Bill.
24 MR. FIORINI: We have other
25 problems with dust, too.
01 MS. EVANS: I know.
02 MR. FIORINI: I think you have
03 been Emailed on Boulevard Avenue.
04 MS. EVANS: Yes.
05 MR. FIORINI: They're under the
06 Department of Mines because they're excavating all of
07 the silt out of there. We're on top of it.
08 Yesterday they had water trucks in
09 front of the vehicles as they were going up the roads.
10 And the dumping that's been going on is going to be
11 cleaned up, so we're working on that right now.
12 MS. EVANS: Excellent.
13 MR. FIORINI: So, you know, one
14 jumps from another. It's a neverending process of
16 MS. EVANS: I know.
17 MR. FIORINI: We have construction
18 going on. Eventually something is going to be
19 constructed there. When, I don't know.
20 The owners that have been doing it
21 have been notified, and they were told point blank, if
22 the dust keeps coming off the property, we are going to
23 turn them over to DEP, and let DEP take it from there
24 on that.
25 MR. DIBILEO: Mr. Fiorini, not to
01 hold up other speakers, and in the effort of fairness,
02 could you see us in caucus with the other information?
03 MS. EVANS: Well, actually if I
04 might, though, just one issue, because I was going to
05 talk about it under motions and I want to take
06 advantage of your presence, Price Rite, the stench from
07 the liquids at Price Rite. I have a number of photos
08 that I'd like to show Council and have you take a look
09 at, as well. What's the progress there?
10 I've talked to Kate, I don't have
11 her last name, she's with the management company of
12 that, and their plumber was on vacation, and they said
13 there are looking at two options, either they can pipe
14 it directly to the sewer and or they're going to put in
15 a sump pump to pipe it to the sewer. That was last
16 week when I talked to her.
17 MR. COURTRIGHT: Bill, didn't they
18 pave over the drain they had there? Wasn't there a
19 drain there? The neighbors are telling me there was a
20 drain there, and when they came in, they paved over the
21 drain, and that's what caused the problems. Maybe we
22 can ask them if they can just open up the existing
23 drain that was there. I mean, that's what the
24 neighbors are telling me. The smell is terrible.
25 MS. EVANS: Oh, it is, it's
01 abominable, but in the interim period, because I don't
02 know how long this is going to take, I think they
03 should make every attempt to keep this up and keep it
04 as clean as possible.
05 MR. FIORINI: Well, they've been
06 told to even use Clorox, to dump that in there to try
07 to kill the smell.
08 MS. EVANS: Well, according to the
09 neighbors, though, nothing has happened. It still
10 smells badly. And if you could tell me, please, how
11 long do they have to institute these solutions?
12 I know they told you they're
13 considering --
14 MR. FIORINI: I didn't give them a
15 time period on it, because I felt they were cooperating
16 with me on it. I can give them a time limit of two
17 weeks, three weeks.
18 MR. DIBILEO: Bill, we'd
19 appreciate it if you can do that, because I think with
20 the heat we're having, it's making the situation really
21 worse than it would be. We were down there, and it's
22 pretty bad. So, if you can give them a time limit to
23 act, please.
24 MS. EVANS: Yes, please.
25 MR. FIORINI: In fact, I'll make
01 another phone call to them today.
02 MS. EVANS: And then while they're
03 instituting this remedy, in the meantime, as I said,
04 will they please take care of this daily, because the
05 neighbors can't even sit on their porches.
06 MR. FIORINI: Okay. I have no
07 problem with that.
08 MR. DIBILEO: Thank you,
09 Mr. Fiorini. Mr. Fiorini, could you take the
10 photographs that we have here of the Price Rite
11 location, and also of the Daron location? Go right
12 ahead, Mr. Morgan.
13 MR. MORGAN: Thank you.
14 Mr. DiBileo, I would like to say that after the meeting
15 one or maybe before the meeting ends, I have a letter
16 for you for -- you belong to an organization that
17 Mr. Spano spoke about, and I told you I'd prepare a
18 letter to ask for some help with a project, and I don't
19 know if you remember that or not.
20 MR. DIBILEO: Yes.
21 MR. MORGAN: Okay. Now, what I'd
22 like to say first is this CRF agenda, on the agenda,
23 you know, I think that that needs to be voted no. I
24 don't see them taking any risk.
25 I had a copy of the whole -- all
01 the legislation that was involved, it was in a packet
02 that I had. The city's going to lose $8 or $9 per
03 thousand. All the properties that are listed in that
04 agreement have reached a point where there's absolutely
05 no risk by this company to come in and buy them.
06 I really can't see any positive
07 point to this legislation at all in regards to the
08 taxpayers. Now, some people on Council may disagree,
09 and of course you make the rules here, but I can't see
10 any reason to enter into an agreement with these
12 And the other thing is, in this
13 legislation, is this an open ended agreement where from
14 what I read they may be able to continue to buy loans
15 from the city without any more authorization from
16 Council? And I'd appreciate it if you'd take a look at
17 that and make sure that that is not the case.
18 Another thing I have here, and I'm
19 glad that Mr. Walsh is with us today, 311 of the Home
20 Rule Charter, now, and my question is for Council, do
21 you take your oath of office seriously? And that's my
22 question. And anybody on Council want to respond?
23 MR. DIBILEO: I think the obvious
24 answer to that, Mr. Morgan, would be absolutely.
25 MR. MORGAN: Okay. Well, then
01 when you go to Section 312 of the Home Rule Charter,
02 and maybe Mr. Walsh here can tell you what these words
03 mean, because in law, shall and may mean two different
05 And, you know, I'll give Mr. Walsh
06 an opportunity to tell Council what shall and may mean
07 in law, if he wouldn't mind.
08 MR. DIBILEO: Mr. Walsh, if you
09 don't mind. That's a legal question there.
10 MR. WALSH: Certainly. When shall
11 is used in statutory language, it typically means that
12 you must. When may is used, it means that you have
13 some discretion as to whether or not you should do it
14 or not do it.
15 MR. MORGAN: Okay. Thank you.
16 I'm glad you cleared that up. Well, it says here that
17 Council shall provide an independent audit, it also
18 says that it shall be published in the newspaper, I'm
19 just cutting out sections, by May 31. None of these
20 things have happened.
21 And I think it's Council's
22 responsibility to issue subpoenas, according to the
23 Home Rule Charter, because it's not a matter where
24 Council has any discretion. It says you shall do this.
25 And you've taken an oath of office to uphold this
02 MS. EVANS: Mr. Morgan, if I just
03 might, I agree with you, and I'm well aware of the
04 differences as an English teacher, the semantic
05 differences, I also agree that this should have been
06 completed by May 31, which is why I made my requests
07 well in advance to Mr. Kresefski, who then directed me
08 to Mr. Rossi, who then explained that it would be
09 impossible to meet that deadline because he had not
10 received the audits of the authorities, however, today
11 we received information that there will be an exit
12 conference for the City of Scranton 2004 audit report
13 on Tuesday, July 19 at 10:45 a.m. in City Council
15 Now, the good news is, this is
16 happening approximately two months earlier than it
17 happened last year. The bad news is, it's happening
18 almost two months after by law it should have happened.
19 So, I absolutely agree with you,
20 and I made those attempts. There has been an
21 improvement, but the improvement is still not not in
22 compliance with our Home Rule Charter.
23 MR. MORGAN: You know, another
24 thing I have here is, you know, we need to really take
25 a good close look at what is going on. You know,
01 there's people in this community that haven't paid this
02 year's taxes, they haven't paid last year's taxes, they
03 haven't paid previous years' taxes, and, you know, in a
04 lot of instances, it's not because they don't want to,
05 they don't have the money, okay.
06 And when you take a look at this
07 hotel that's going to file bankruptcy, this city and
08 previous Councils, whoever, I don't want to point blame
09 at anybody, but I'd be seriously concerned that this
10 city going to take a blood bath on that hotel.
11 And there's been a lot of other
12 fiscal mistakes made here. And, you know, we talk
13 about pool fees and all these others things, when in
14 reality, you know something, the people are being
15 shorted here, and I think it's something to really look
16 at. Thank you.
17 MS. COOK: Good afternoon, City
18 Council. My name is Helen Cook, and I live in the
19 Plot Section of Green Ridge.
20 MS. EVANS: Good afternoon.
21 MR. DIBILEO: Good afternoon.
22 MS. COOK: Mr. McTiernan, I'm glad
23 you're feeling better and it's nice to see you back.
24 Several years ago Councilman Pocius mentioned about
25 South Washington Avenue, Elm Street and Broadway, about
01 the turn lanes and what have you, nothing was done.
02 Councilwoman Evans brought up the subject again last
04 Well, finally those two
05 intersections have been done, and it looks great. Also
06 out in Green Ridge at Robert Morris School, the
07 crosswalks have been painted out there for the school
08 children, which, again, looks great.
09 The other thing I have is, I
10 listened to Councilwoman Evans and Attorney Walsh talk
11 about the KO zone and about properties being fixed up
12 if they're vacant, can you answer me why the mayor is
13 allowed to use part of the Ritz Theater as his
14 headquarters which is a KO zone?
15 MS. EVANS: I think that's a very
16 good question. That's the mayor's idea of downtown
17 revitalization, then I think his ideas are a bit askew.
18 MS. COOK: Well, it just seems if
19 he's able to use that piece of property, I would think
20 someone that maybe wanted to open up a little store or
21 what have you would be able to do that same thing,
22 because I'm certain he's not paying for the use of that
23 property. So --
24 MS. EVANS: Well, he's probably
25 paying rent, a monthly rent to the owner.
01 MS. COOK: But we don't know that
02 for sure.
03 MS. EVANS: No, we don't. I'm
04 assuming that he would.
05 MS. COOK: Okay. Well, I'll take
06 your assumption. It wouldn't be mine, but I'll take
08 And just one more thing, and I
09 don't know if this is probably proper to bring up her
10 at Council, and it will be for Councilman DiBileo, if
11 he choses to answer, and you may not want to, I
12 understand there's some type of an investigation going
13 on on you, and that people from the Scranton area are
14 being called on this, and all I want to know, is this
15 happening or who's conducting an investigation on you?
16 Why would they do this?
17 MR. DIBILEO: Well, I'll respond
18 to that.
19 MS. COOK: Is it true?
20 MR. DIBILEO: Yeah. I'm being
21 told that there's a private at investigator that's been
22 at different offices around town --
23 MS. COOK: That's what I'm told.
24 MR. DIBILEO: -- here at City Hall
25 and the City Council office, at the School District
01 Administration Building, in their offices there, at the
02 county courthouse, and that there's a private
03 investigator who is not saying who he's hired by,
04 although I have a pretty good idea, and a pretty good
05 idea why, but he's getting a lot of information on me,
06 my criminal background and my voting background as a
07 school director and as a councilman.
08 Unfortunately I think that's what
09 the state of elections in Scranton has come to, because
10 I think it's involving the election, I have to admit
11 that. But, yeah, I'm being told this is going to
12 different offices around town.
13 MS. COOK: Okay. Thank you for
14 answering that question. Thank you, City Council.
15 MR. GERVASI: Good afternoon,
16 ladies and gentlemen. My name is Dave Gervasi,
17 citizen, taxpayer. By the way, Mr. DiBileo, that's
18 called a smear campaign. When you have certain
19 candidates that are weak on the issues, they try to
20 smear the other person.
21 As a matter of fact, we were
22 offered that service during the referendum campaign,
23 but I assure you that the firefighters have a little
24 more character than to do something like that. We
25 never did that.
01 A lot of talk here tonight about
02 businesses, KOZs, and I'm just giving my opinion here
03 tonight, and I've said this numerous times while
04 speaking on this podium, that I read an article about a
05 year ago that the state legislature, I guess a
06 sub-committee of the state representatives were going
07 to start investigating KOZs to see if they actually
08 worked out the way they were supposed to work out,
09 things like that, and was it worth the money, the
10 public money that was given.
11 And I've read a few letters, like,
12 on line that have pertained to that subject, and it
13 seems that, I didn't coin the phrase, but I've been
14 saying it here that it seems that KOZs, just in my
15 experience in reading about them, is basically
16 corporate welfare.
17 Getting to the Southern Union
18 thing, and I want to do a disclaimer here right now, I
19 understand how large corporations like Southern Union
20 work, I mean, there's always mergers and sell-offs and
21 things change it seems monthly, and I know that
22 subsidiaries of Southern Union have employed probably
23 thousands of people over the years in this area with
24 real live unionized job sustaining or family sustaining
25 jobs, so I am in no way, shape or form knocking
01 Southern Union in any way, shape or form, but the
02 point I'd like to make is the article that was about
03 the KOZ that was given to that building, the article
04 stated that Southern Union just bought out Enron, and I
05 believe another pipeline company out west, and they
06 spent over $7 billion on buying these other companies,
07 which seems as though that kept this total move or
08 promise move into Scranton.
09 My question is, and I agree with
10 Mr. Constantini who was here from Cox Sheet Metal, that
11 that business has been here for, I believe he said,
12 83 years in the City of Scranton, he hires unionized
13 sheet metal workers, which if they're in a union, you
14 are guaranteed that you can raise a family on that job.
15 My problem is, why give a company
16 that just spent over $6 billion buying out other
17 companies, why give them tax free status, when why
18 don't we give a guy like Mr. Constantini tax free
19 status so that he can now compete with these low --
20 these companies that are paying much less to their
21 employees, these people probably have to work two or
22 three jobs to sustain their families, why not give
23 people that have stuck with this city, as I've been
24 saying for years, this KOZ status?
25 I know why. I know why. Because
01 you know what, Mr. Constantini probably didn't donate
02 to certain people, okay? You want to follow the money,
03 you want to follow the KOZs, read the campaign
04 contribution reports. It's right there in black and
06 Don't take my word for it, do it
07 yourself. But, again, this has no -- I don't want to
08 talk about Southern Union, they're a fine company and
09 they've employed tons and tons of people, and I just
10 think it's a shame that -- the other point about that,
11 because this building, if this building remains KOZ, is
12 that going to allow possibly other companies that are
13 paying taxes or are tenants of our building owners
14 downtown that are paying their taxes, are they going to
15 have any fear of losing their tenants to this building
16 if they wanted to move over there?
17 MR. DIBILEO: That's probably one
18 of the biggest fears I have, is that because of the
19 extra space involved in the building now, and they're
20 looking for new tenants, we'd rather get them from out
21 of Scranton to bring them into Scranton, as opposed to
22 having a tax-paying business possibly relocate to the
23 tax free zone.
24 MR. GERVASI: As what happened to
25 the --
01 MS. EVANS: We already had that
03 MR. GERVASI: As what happened to
04 the business incubator when they took a tax-paying
05 entity out of the James Avenue Complex.
06 MS. EVANS: Of the James Avenue
07 Complex and relocated it downtown for a tax free
08 status, exactly. That does not help the
09 City of Scranton. That hurts the taxpayers.
10 MR. GERVASI: I think that's what
11 the legislature meant, a few members of the legislature
12 that wanted to investigate KOZs, what they meant by
13 that KOZs do nothing but cannibalize your existing
14 businesses in town. But they're here. I guess we have
15 to live with them.
16 The only other thing I'd like to
17 mention is, two things, our Website, I'd like to thank
18 Mr. Courtright for bringing it up last week, because
19 there is a lot of educational things on our Website.
20 It's www.scrantonfire.com.
21 But a few people asked if the city
22 and the taxpayers are funding this Website, this
23 website is totally funded with union -- it's our union
25 Now, it's a non-political Website.
01 We don't talk about issues. It's just things that the
02 union does, our Scranton Firefighters do, and there's
03 three or four of our guys that put the Website
04 together, and it's no cost whatsoever.
05 Any money that's incurred comes
06 from our union. There's a lot of good -- the kids
07 corner areas in there that teaches safety. May I just
08 finish my thought?
09 MR. DIBILEO: Finish your thought,
10 because we took some of your time.
11 MR. GERVASI: I have a question,
12 NCC, they were here saying that they have, I believe,
13 it's a 25 percent penalty for people that are
14 delinquent on their taxes, and it doesn't cost the city
15 anything to get people -- in other words, the penalties
16 from our citizens that they pay pays for this company.
17 Wouldn't it be more prudent maybe
18 to hire a few more people, say, in the treasurer's
19 office and maybe -- the reason why I'm saying this, I
20 know an elderly couple in their eighties that the
21 gentleman was sick last year, and this person I know as
22 a fact, because they're a relative of mine, and this
23 person's wife never failed to pay anything on time in
24 the last 60 years, but because of the chaos, somehow it
25 got misplaced.
01 She didn't know until, like, nine
02 months later that she didn't pay last year's taxes, the
03 property taxes, so immediately, you know, came down to
04 pay it, but they said there's a 25 percent penalty
05 because now NCC has it.
06 Is there any way we can possibly
07 for people that -- I mean, there's a legitimate reason
08 why people are -- they had problems, medical problems,
09 something happened, that we can at least let people --
10 a reminder before it gets to NCC, that you're going to
11 be making a 25 percent penalty?
12 And once it does get to NCC --
13 before it gets to NCC, why can't we have our own people
14 here being paid for that will work in the City of
15 Scranton, that must live in the City of Scranton and
16 pay taxes in the City of Scranton, collect these same
17 fees? What's the difference whether NCC does it or we
18 do it in house and we make the money?
19 MS. EVANS: That's a very good
20 point. One, I think, we'll consider between now and
21 December when the contract with NCC is due for renewal
22 or termination.
23 MR. DIBILEO: Thank you,
24 Mr. Gervasi.
25 MR. GERVASI: Thank you.
01 MS. STULGIS: I'm Ann Marie
02 Stulgis, resident of Scranton, and I'm also president
03 of the Fraternal Order Of Police.
04 I just primarily have a few
05 updates for you just to keep you involved in what's
06 going on. One of the things is, I know some of you are
07 familiar with what is called a Cobra in health care,
08 and it is governed by federal regulations.
09 Federal regulations mandate that
10 if someone is going to lose their medical insurance,
11 they must be notified a specific number of days prior
12 to the ending of that medical insurance so that they
13 have the opportunity to get a Cobra.
14 Well, it seems the City of
15 Scranton got rid of clerks and they don't have anybody
16 to do that now, so people are not being notified under
17 federal guidelines.
18 As a matter of fact, one
19 individual was notified in mid-June that he no longer
20 had medical insurance effective May, which of course is
21 a federal law violation.
22 We have another individual who is
23 a student, son of a police officer, and he's away at
24 college as a full-time college student, he has turned
25 23, however.
01 He had an allergy to a drug and
02 suffered very serious life threatening complications.
03 He was immediately taken to an emergency room, he
04 required a great deal of treatment, they kept him for a
05 while, and his medical bill was outrageous, obviously.
06 His bill wasn't paid.
07 He contacted the city, the human
08 resources department, and went through everything, and
09 their response was, Well, too bad. He doesn't have
10 insurance anymore.
11 And he said, Well, I looked, he
12 said, federal guidelines say you have to notify me of a
13 Cobra. And he was told, Well, I guess you're just
14 going to have to pay it, because we're too busy to
15 notify people. So, I think we're probably looking at
16 another lawsuit there, because that is in fact
17 violation of federal guidelines.
18 Also regarding the state of the
19 city pension fund, they have lost another million
20 dollars this past quarter.
21 On health care, I'm sure you all
22 remember that the fire arbitration years ago resulted
23 in the arbitrator ordering the formation of a health
24 care committee so that the employees could force the
25 city to bring health care costs under control.
01 We hired someone, she saved the
02 city $5 million, cut health care costs by $5 million,
03 so this administration promptly fired her.
04 It took over two years to get them
05 to hire someone to replace her. They did hire a
06 company named Elite, but they don't do what she did.
07 As a matter of fact, aside from having one meeting with
08 them, we don't know that they do anything other than
09 get paid by the city.
10 So, we forced them to hire a
11 company named Seagal, you people approved it, it
12 happened a good seven months ago. We've been trying to
13 get together to get a handle on health care costs.
14 During police and fire
15 arbitration, the city testified about how much
16 health care was costing, how this year they wanted to
17 deduct $7,000 a year from the paychecks of the
18 employees, they wanted retroactive $6,000 for last year
19 and $5,000 for the year before, which meant people
20 would be taking home about $100 a month.
21 They had all these facts and
22 figures for arbitration; however, I have the letter
23 here from the Seagal Corporation, because they had to
24 cancel another health care committee meeting. Why?
25 Because human resources still has not been able to
01 supply the information that's needed.
02 Some of the things that is needed
03 is how much is Elite costing. Well, human resources
04 hasn't been able to supply that in seven months.
05 They want copies of authorization
06 letters; in other words, for Seagal to get a handle on
07 what medical care cost, they have to send authorization
08 letters, human resources does, to Aetna, to the dental,
09 that type of thing.
10 Well, they haven't done it yet in
11 seven months, and they haven't done it. So, I just
12 wanted to bring that to light, because health care
13 costs are spiraling out of control, and the city's
14 preventing us from getting them under control. And I
15 just don't understand that.
16 Also, if you are interested, I did
17 check what is allowed in light industrial areas, so
18 that you would know, and I have the paperwork here,
19 and one of the things that is not allowed, and I repeat
20 not allowed in the light industrial area, is cement.
21 The actual manufacturer of cement
22 is not allowed in a light industrial area. So, I don't
23 know what they're making out there --
24 MR. COURTRIGHT: It's cinder
25 block, so it's probably a little bit different, because
01 it's cinder block.
02 MS. STULGIS: Well, the women
03 weren't sure just what it is, but I have all this
04 stuff, and it's real easy to determine what's light
05 industrial, and it really doesn't have to do with heavy
06 manufacturing at all, because, for instance, a tavern
07 couldn't be light industrial.
08 MS. EVANS: I know Mr. Fiorini had
09 said, though, that one of their storage bins contains
10 cement. When I requested that he determine what
11 materials were in the storage bin because neighbors
12 were concerned they might be toxic materials, he told
13 me it was cement.
14 MR. COURTRIGHT: Yeah, he's
15 correct. You know, I break cinder blocks in what I do
16 for a living, and they put a certain amount of cement
17 in each cinder block, I just know, because the more
18 cement they put in, the harder it is for us to break
19 them, so there is a certain amount of cement in there.
20 MR. POCIUS: But it's not
21 manufactured there.
22 MR. COURTRIGHT: It's not
24 MS. EVANS: So, they're just
25 storing it, they're obtaining it elsewhere.
01 MR. POCIUS: When cement is
02 manufactured, you really see these big bins and these
03 big gigantic towers and the aggregate is crushed and
04 it's ground up. That is a really heavy industrial type
05 of operation. They're just buying the product and
06 storing it and using it in their process.
07 MS. EVANS: Okay. Mrs. Stulgis,
08 though, two quick questions before you depart, first of
09 all, the city does have VASCAR equipment, correct?
10 MS. STULGIS: That's correct.
11 MS. EVANS: Is it currently in
13 MS. STULGIS: I don't know if the
14 city's is in use, but a number of police officers
15 purchased their own meters and they get their own
16 meters at their own personal expense. They bought
17 their own and they use their own. They get them
18 certified and keep them up to date and they use them on
19 their own.
20 MS. EVANS: And officers have to
21 be assigned, though, to let's say a speed check detail
22 in an area, in a specific area? Would they have to be
23 assigned by a supervisor or the chief of police?
24 MS. STULGIS: Probably only
25 because if you're going to do speed, we used to have a
01 car, it was called Car 20, which was a specific bid,
02 which did speed throughout the city.
03 If you're going to do it, you're
04 going to need to make sure that police officer isn't
05 going to get called for another call; in other words,
06 if he's running speed, he can't respond to you a
07 domestic and things like that.
08 MS. EVANS: Because we're
09 experiencing, what I consider to be, at least an
10 increase in crime in this city and inadequate numbers
11 of police officers to address the ever growing needs.
12 I can understand why speeding has to take, let's say, a
13 back seat or go onto the back burner for certainly much
14 more important life-threatening issue.
15 That was why I had mentioned at
16 the last Council meeting about bringing in the
17 State Police and radar, but I then remembered about the
18 VASCAR, and I understand we have our own capabilities,
19 and our police force is tremendous, and they're more
20 than capable of doing this work, and in fact generating
21 revenue for the city, but, you know, again, I guess
22 that's something that would be an assignment they would
23 receive, and those type of assignments right now just
24 can't occur, because we're suffering from such an
25 increase in crimes throughout our neighborhoods.
01 So, I understand the cars are patrolling.
02 MS. STULGIS: That's what they're
03 doing. And one thing they are doing, you can only
04 enforce speed on certain streets, because there are
05 rules on the posting of signs, of speed signs, the
06 distance between speed signs, things like that.
07 But one thing they do continue to
08 do relatively easy, and you can still manage to respond
09 to all your calls, is they'll patrol the Expressway,
10 because there isn't, you know, people parked on side
11 streets and people crossing the street, so it's a
12 little easier to patrol, and they can do that and they
13 do do that in between calls for speed. That's much
14 easier for them to do, whereas on a city street, you do
15 have people crossing streets and it makes it a little
16 more difficult.
17 MS. EVANS: But I just wanted the
18 department to understand that it was never my intent to
19 question their ability, it was never my intent to take
20 any work and place it outside those residents of
22 I know what type of job they do,
23 and I know they can do this as well, it's just there
24 aren't enough of them.
25 MS. STULGIS: That's true.
01 MR. DIBILEO: Thank you,
02 Mrs. Stulgis. Thank you, Mrs. Evans. Are there any
03 other speakers?
04 MR. WALSH: 5-A, motions.
05 MR. DIBILEO: Mr. McTiernan, do
06 you have any motions or comments at this time?
07 MR. McTIERNAN: Thank you,
08 Mr. President. I walked in at the end of a speaker's
09 remarks, and I didn't catch all of the speaker's
10 remarks about my opinions and my positions.
11 It's probably worthwhile noting
12 that the gentleman that was highlighting my positions
13 and my positions, I don't know his name, I've never had
14 a personal conversation with him, so whatever he's
15 gleaming from my positions is probably conjecture.
16 I'm more than willing to have a
17 conversation with him, and I am not going to go through
18 my curriculum vitae with regard to what I support and
19 what I don't support.
20 I'm also not prone to giving my
21 elders advice; however, I would caution the fact that
22 painting with a broad brush sometimes when you are not
23 having personal contact with people may be
24 inappropriate, certainly could be construde as
25 dangerous, and certainly is not fair.
01 But I will go through a few
02 things: In my job as an administrator for the Scranton
03 School District, it's my job to be sure that I provide
04 a global vision for the buildings that I administer,
05 and that includes all demographic groups, regardless of
06 what the speaker inferred.
07 And I have numbers of things that
08 I have been involved with regarding a variety of
09 demographic groups. Some of them have been by job
10 description, some of them, quite frankly, sir, have
11 been voluntary.
12 So, I would offer a difference of
13 opinion of your characterization of my opinions. And
14 as a youngster, which you might characterize me as, I
15 think it would be good advice of be careful of painting
16 with a broad brush without having personal conversation
17 with someone. Thank you, Mr. President.
18 MR. DIBILEO: Thank you,
19 Mr. McTiernan. And by the way, I'm note exactly sure
20 what you had done with your back, but I'm glad that
21 you're hopefully doing better and glad to have you
23 MR. McTIERNAN: Thank you.
24 MR. DIBILEO: Mrs. Evans, any
25 motions or comments?
01 MS. EVANS: I'm very glad you're
02 back, too, and I've been keeping you in my prayers, and
03 I'll continue to until I see you at school and you're
04 back to your old self.
05 MR. McTIERNAN: Thank you.
06 MS. EVANS: Good afternoon, ladies
07 and gentlemen. Two quick announcements here, I have
08 received the Community Development Block Grant
09 applications, and I have them available for all of the
10 neighborhoods or any type of organizations within the
11 city and the neighborhoods who are anxious to obtain
12 them can contact me immediately, and I'll be very happy
13 to get them to you immediately.
14 Also, I received some news about
15 Parker Street today from the Scranton Sewer Authority,
16 Mr. Lennox of the SSA has agreed to clean the catch
17 basins as a favor to the city on those streets that are
18 sorely affected by flooding. We have discussed those
19 problems at a caucus meeting with Mr. Parker two weeks
21 Jay -- missing. I'll come back to
22 that for Jay.
23 MR. DIBILEO: He said he had to
24 leave early today.
25 MS. EVANS: Oh, he's gone. On
02 MR. DIBILEO: Yeah, on vacation
03 actually. He had to leave early today.
04 MS. EVANS: Very nice. Then Neil,
05 I'll ask you, please, to take notes and save this for
06 Mr. Saunders.
07 I'd welcome a letter to
08 Ms. Hailstone requesting the date when the Sloan Little
09 League will receive its CDBG allocation.
10 I'd also like to know if the
11 $50,000 CDBG allocation has been released yet to the
12 neighborhood police patrols.
13 Also, a letter to Mr. Fiorini, I
14 didn't get to ask him this earlier, what is the
15 progress on the tagging and removal of abandoned and
16 junk vehicles in the Hill Section.
17 I've received many, many
18 complaints from residents over the past four weeks that
19 nothing has been done, and I'm hoping, I know
20 Mr. Fiorini is overwhelmed with work, but I'm hoping he
21 will be able to get an inspector out there, even a few
22 hours per week, and hopefully rectify that problem.
23 Now, there's been an awful lot of
24 talk today from our audience members concerning
25 Southern Union and the Hilton, and I must admit for
01 many months I've heard rumors, one being that very few
02 jobs were coming to Southern Union in Downtown
03 Scranton, and the other was that the Hotel Hilton
04 suffered from extraordinarily low occupancy rates, and
05 that a foreclosure would be forthcoming.
06 Now I'm hearing rumors about
07 Sanolfi Pasteur, are they coming, and frankly I
08 squashed all rumors that I heard believing that our
09 mayor would certainly make public these enormous
10 developments if they were true.
11 Now I learned that Mr. Doherty
12 knew as far back as December 2004, and said nothing.
13 He's not being up-front with the people, he's purposely
14 withholding vital information, in the case of the
15 Hotel Hilton, for eight months for political reasons.
16 He didn't want us to know that his
17 quickly arranged deals were crumbling before the
18 primary election occurred.
19 We only know now because the
20 Time Leader in Wilkes-Barre broke the Southern Union
21 story and the truth about the Hilton could no longer be
22 hidden, and I think that maybe the best we can hope for
23 now is that Southern Union will be able to bring a
24 dozen of its corporate jobs to Scranton and offer a few
25 blue collar jobs to our city residents.
01 And as far as the Hilton is
02 concerned, perhaps we're looking at the sale of
03 furniture and other interior items, unless of course
04 the mayor decides to include those items in a new deal.
05 These businesses are, you know,
06 considering which one we're referencing, are either
07 multi-million or multi-billion dollar entities, and
08 they will land on their feet, regardless of what
09 happens, but I can't say the same for us, the
11 Wasted money by this
12 administration is really escalating, and I wonder will
13 he tell us first before we have to read it in a
14 Wilkes-Barre newspaper or the Scranton Times, will he
15 tell us if there are any potential problems with
16 Sanolfi Pasteur.
17 Now, this week, very recently, in
18 fact, I was up at Nay Aug Park, and I walked the
19 Davis Trail and I went down to the gorge platform, and
20 I noticed that the plaque Mr. Scopelliti promised to
21 erect the evening he attended our city caucus meeting
22 was not indeed put up.
23 I also noticed that if you take,
24 there are actually two ways in which you can approach
25 the platform, and one is far more dangerous than the
01 other, and in fact, I happened to be coming down, the
02 one where the ground has actually cracked and crumbled
03 and has huge jagged holes in it, and I slid down.
04 Now, that's okay for me, you know,
05 not that I'm a young women, but I'm not on Social
06 Security yet, and so I recovered very quickly. I don't
07 know that others would be as fortunate, so I'm hoping
08 that that situation will be taken care of for the
09 benefit of everyone who would like to enjoy that
10 gorgeous view and the lovely Davis Trail.
11 I proceeded to the new playground,
12 and I noticed that not far from the playground are --
13 well, actually it's a pile of wood, and much of this
14 lumber contains very large nails, and I assume it would
15 be the remnants of the playground project, but it's
16 still setting there for any passerby, any teenager to
17 pick up, any child to fall into, and I'm hoping that
18 Mr. Scopelliti will take care of that.
19 And as I proceeded to the pool
20 area, I noticed the very small playground that is
21 adjacent to that location, and that suffers from a good
22 deal of graffiti.
23 and I actually went to that
24 particular location, because a young mother with two
25 children called me and told me about that, she had
01 taken her children there before the pool opened and she
02 told me about the graffiti, she also told me at the
03 time there were a number of broken beer bottles in the
05 Now, when I went there, I did not
06 see any broken glass, so I'm very glad that that was
07 taken care of, but I think we need to get on the other
09 And then very strangely, because I
10 know Mr. DiBileo and one of our audience members were
11 discussing the fact that an investigation of
12 Mr. DiBileo is being conducted, and it just reminded me
13 of what happened while I was at the park, when I was
14 approaching the area of the smaller playground, an
15 SUV came up alongside my car and stayed there until I
16 had examined the playground equipment, we walked back
17 to the car, and when I reentered the car, then the SUV
18 moved along and parked in a parking lot near the
19 Everhart, which was not very far from where my car
21 And so being curious, I parked in
22 the parking lot, and this gentleman immediately got on
23 a cell phone and remained there in the SUV for well
24 over ten minutes watching me.
25 So, I have to wonder, Mr. DiBileo,
01 when did this investigation or observation of you
03 MR. DIBILEO: Well, I think it's
04 about two weeks ago that it was verified that a private
05 investigator was here at the City Council office asking
06 for my financial interest reports, and around that time
07 that they were at the county courthouse asking for my
08 criminal background information, and at the school
09 district administration building asking for my previous
10 voting records as a school director, so I guess about
11 two weeks ago.
12 And, again, he said he was a
13 private investigator who was hired by someone unnamed.
14 And I don't know who it is, but like I said, I have an
15 idea, and I have an idea why.
16 But as I said, I think that's what
17 the state of elections in Scranton is coming to and has
18 come to. And I don't know who was watching you, but
19 probably not the same investigator.
20 MS. EVANS: Well, I certainly hope
21 not, although maybe I'll have to do a little
22 investigating of my own here at City Hall, because I do
23 find it very odd.
24 I'm just -- I'm not only a
25 Councilperson, but I'm a citizen, and I have every
01 right to go to Nay Aug and walk the trails and use the
02 pool and watch children playing on equipment without
03 being followed and without, you know, having someone
04 watching every move that I'm making.
05 While I'm on the issue of the
06 park, this mayor took Nay Aug Park and gave it to the
07 Recreation Authority, as we all know. To
08 Rec. Authority, on the other hand, gives Council the
10 A member of the Recreation
11 Authority has recently said at one of their meetings
12 that Council gives the Recreation Authority no money.
13 That is false.
14 Council pays significant bills
15 with absolutely no control over Nay Aug Park. The
16 Recreation Authority should pay all Nay Aug bills,
17 since they collect the Fees and they apply for grants
18 and they set fees as an autonomous body.
19 So, I propose that we wipe out of
20 the budget all expenses for Nay Aug, and in addition,
21 we wipe out of the capital improvement budget all
22 expenses for Nay Aug contained within fund ten.
23 Now, these are just a very few of
24 the items that you've been able to ascertain. We have
25 two pool managers, I believe. They could pay the costs
01 for one. That's roughly $5,000.
02 The Recreation Authority solicitor
03 happens to be an assistant city solicitor. As their
04 solicitor, just as Mr. Greco serves the
05 Redevelopment Authority, I believe they should be
06 paying for his services thereby reducing the city's
07 salary payment to the individual.
08 A Recreation specialist, there is
09 more than one, but I'm sure one of the two does most of
10 the overseeing at Nay Aug Park for $35,000; the
11 lifeguards; concession stand employees; pool chemicals
12 and equipment; maintenance and operation of the pool
13 house; the new bridge that is going to be built a
14 quarter of a mile down from the gorge, if the city is
15 to incur any costs, that should go to the
16 Recreation Authority; performing arts for $12,500;
17 spring and summer programs for $19,206.19; the
18 Wildlife Center, $50,000; the Everhart, $50,000; the
19 Davis Trail; the Christmas lights, including storage,
20 setup and breakdown; the reflecting pond; all repairs
21 that have occurred and any future maintenance;
22 landscaping; tree removal, and I'm still not certain if
23 Kalinosky Landscaping has been paid the remaining
24 $450,000 it's owed for the area in front of the
25 Everhart Museum.
01 I know the initial $700,000 was
02 paid by the mayor using the security deposit from the
03 University of Scranton for the sale of the South Side
04 Complex, so those are just rough figures.
05 I can't give you the exact figures
06 on lifeguard salaries, for example, or concession stand
07 employees, because I honestly do not know how many are
08 employed and what wages there are receiving. Those are
09 all compiled together in a category called other
10 salaries, that includes casual workers and many other
11 types of workers within the city, so it's very
12 difficult to break that down.
13 However, it can be done, I'm sure,
14 with the assistance of human resources or the personnel
15 office, but all of these expenses, I think, I at least
16 am very anxious to transfer to the Recreation
17 Authority, and I would ask Council, are there any
19 MR. DIBILEO: Yeah, I have one. I
20 think I see your point, Mrs. Evans, that
21 City Council is very involved in the funding of
22 activities at Nay Aug, yet at the same time
23 City Council is not able to be involved in any voting
24 regarding fees at Nay Aug, and that certainly doesn't
25 make sense to me as a City Councilperson.
01 MS. EVANS: Well, it's that, as
02 well as the fact that we have practically no control
03 over any activity or venture that occurs at Nay Aug
05 And just as the Redevelopment
06 Authority I think has great muscle, great control, I'd
07 like to see the Recreation Authority have that, but
08 that doesn't come without a price tag; in other words,
09 you can't -- you know, I'm not going to let my
10 neighbors tell my kids they're getting them a new car
11 and then my neighbors are going to give me the bill for
12 the new car to pay for my children.
13 So, I think if they want to
14 control Nay Aug, then they must accept the
15 responsibility, the fiscal responsibility, for the
16 operation and maintenance of every aspect of that park
17 and, again, I would like to pull all of these items out
18 of the city and capital improvement budget.
19 MR. POCIUS: How do you plan to do
21 MS. EVANS: I think we could make
22 a motion for an ordinance and pass the ordinance, and I
23 know it's not unprecedented that budgets have been
25 MR. POCIUS: So, who suffers,
01 Mrs. Evans, the people you're trying to protect here
02 every week, are they the ones who are going to suffer?
03 MS. EVANS: Oh, no, no, no,
04 they're not going to suffer, because the --
05 MR. POCIUS: Why wouldn't they
07 MR. POCIUS: Because the
08 Recreation Authority is going to be in charge of the
09 money. They collect fees, they take donations, they
10 apply for grants. And you know what, the sale of the
11 municipal golf course, that money was to be placed in a
12 trust fund as promised by the mayor at the time of the
13 sale of that golf course.
14 Although it's never occurred, his
15 intention, I believe, was to provide for the
16 maintenance of the park system, and they can certainly
17 utilize that money, or if not, I'm sure to date the
18 interest earned on the CDs sitting at FNCB hasn't been
19 touched, they could certainly, I'm sure, have at the
20 very least the interest earned on the CDs, if not, you
21 know, the monies coming from a trust fund if
22 Mr. Doherty would ever fulfill his promise.
23 They can seek sponsorships,
24 donations such as Children's Advocacy has received from
25 Southern Union. We have many corporations and
01 businesses within our city, I'm sure, more than anxious
02 to be good neighbors, and in addition to that, as I
03 said, they can conduct fund-raisers, and they are
04 already collecting fees and donations at Christmastime.
05 They've just, as I said, applied
06 for a grant for a feasibility study for the new zoo,
07 which came as news to City Council, so I think that
08 they're up to the task, and I'm not -- my intent is not
09 to punish anyone. I think I've demonstrated that my
10 concern for the people of this city is genuine. But I
11 believe it's ludicrous --
12 MR. POCIUS: Oh, I think it's
13 fiscally --
14 MS. EVANS: -- to be paying the
15 bills and have absolutely no control over a situation.
16 Would you do that in your business?
17 MR. POCIUS: My business doesn't
18 -- Mrs. Evans, I mean, a motion like that, to me,
19 fiscally irresponsible. I mean, not knowing if this
20 park could even sustain itself on the donations and
21 everything that's available to it right now.
22 To run a park on donations or out
23 of a tin cup is not what I think this Council is all
24 about. They have controls over the fees for setting
25 the fees for Nay Aug Pool, which is the only thing that
01 I think is of any consequence right now.
02 As an authority they have a right
03 to seek grants and everything else, which is under
04 their prerogative under the Authorities Act.
05 So, I would not support any motion
06 that would do this. It's too drastic a motion without
07 a backup plan. There's no way that you can say
08 absolutely for certainty that what you're proposing
09 could actually happen and could actually allow the park
10 to continue to function and other parks to function the
11 way they are functioning right now without an impact on
12 the people who use them.
13 MS. EVANS: Well, first of all,
14 I'm not removing the remaining six pools and parks from
15 the budget, this is solely Nay Aug; and No. 2, I would
16 ask you if you consider the proceeds from the sale of
17 the Municipal Golf Course to be a tin cup.
18 MR. POCIUS: Well, it was put
19 aside. I wasn't on Council and I didn't vote on that
20 particular ordinance, and I don't really know --
21 understand exactly the ins and outs of that, I was not
22 here at the time, and -- so that's not a tin cup.
23 But I mean, as far as saying we're
24 going to run this and we're going to get enough
25 corporate donators to come up and take care of this
01 park and we're going to have people standing there in
02 the winter at the Christmas lights, I mean, all I'm
03 trying to say is that that sounds like -- I just don't
04 know where you're coming from.
05 I mean, I do know where you're
06 coming from on the motion, but I just don't want to be
07 a part of it.
08 MS. EVANS: Well, I'm just trying
09 to -- I didn't make a motion actually, I made a
10 proposal and I was --
11 MR. POCIUS: I am not going to
12 support either the motion or the proposal, because I
13 think it's way too drastic at this point in time.
14 MR. DIBILEO: Let me add that I
15 know that you did not make a motion.
16 MR. POCIUS: That's true.
17 MR. DIBILEO: I think what you're
18 trying to get to is the fact that what's occurring does
19 not make sense as far as, you know, all the involvement
20 Council has, yet they have no say in the matter, and
21 that doesn't make sense either.
22 But, you know, I would say that
23 until a motion is made, I know that you're not trying
24 to say anything that would hurt anyone --
25 MS. EVANS: No, because in fact my
01 intent here is to protect the taxpayers. Right now
02 through the city budget, they're paying for everything
03 that occurs at Nay Aug, and then they're being asked
04 again to use it. They've paid for all of these
05 improvements, and my intent is protecting them.
06 Let the body, the governing body
07 who oversees the park, assume the financial burden
08 there. And I believe if we go back in time to the
09 initiation of this administration, the mayor stated
10 that he wanted the park system to be self-supporting,
11 that he was going to turn every neighborhood park over
12 to the neighborhood and that Nay Aug would become
13 self-sufficient, self-supporting through private
14 donations and sponsorships and fees, etc.
15 Now it's almost four years later,
16 and that has not transpired, and I'm simply trying to
17 first and foremost protect the interests of the people
18 of this city, protect their dollars.
19 And secondly, I'm exercising
20 common sense. Give the person who makes the bill the
22 And thirdly, I'm only trying to
23 bring to fruition the mayor's vision. Maybe he needs a
24 little assistance. And perhaps it's time that the
25 Municipal Golf Course funds begin to work in the manner
01 that he originally stated and promised. That's all.
02 Mr. Courtright.
03 MR. COURTRIGHT: Just briefly, you
04 know, I think I understand what Mrs. Evans is saying,
05 that the city is bearing the brunt of all the costs and
06 we have no say in how that park is operated, and I
07 disagree with that, I don't think that is the way we
08 should do it. I think if we want to bear the brunt of
09 the costs, we should have a say in it.
10 And being that she didn't make a
11 motion, now I'll look into a little bit more of what
12 she's saying, because I don't know how we go about
13 pulling something out of the budget and how we alter
14 the budget and how it would work. So, that part there,
15 I'd like to take a, you know, a closer look at.
16 But I do agree with the fact that,
17 you know, we have absolutely nothing to say about what
18 goes on up there, and we in fact are the ones that
19 ultimately pass the budget to pay the bills, so I
20 disagree with that process.
21 But being that you didn't make a
22 motion, I'll have time to find how this would be
23 implemented and if it would be a good thing, I'll have
24 time to take a look at that.
25 MS. EVANS: Yes. That's why I
01 made it in the form of a proposal publicly so that
02 Council has time to consider it and the people are
03 aware at the same time. It's not a back room deal. I
04 put it right here on the table at the same time for
05 everyone to consider, and if it has support, then I
06 will make that in the form of a motion, and I would ask
07 Attorney Walsh to investigate how properly and legally
08 that goal could be achieved.
09 MR. DIBILEO: Thank you,
10 Mrs. Evans. Mr. Pocius, any motions or comments?
11 MR. POCIUS: Yeah, a couple
12 comments and really no motions, just a couple comments.
13 Concerning Mr. Narsavitch's
14 comments, I wasn't going to debate him up here back and
15 forth, he has a right to his opinion, I certainly have
16 a right to my opinion. I'll stand behind my comments,
17 and I'll let it go at that. I'm not going to get into
18 any kind of debates.
19 A lot has been said today about
20 Southern Union, and I did that awful thing, I picked up
21 the phone and actually called Tom Karam to see what was
22 going on down there. I had a little time getting a
23 hold of him, because he does spend a lot of time
24 between here and Houston, Texas, they have a -- it's
25 almost -- that's where Southern Union is located.
01 I was able to talk to Maura Gavin,
02 who is one of his associates down at the address at
03 417, and they're in the building down there right now.
04 And finally I did get a chance to
05 talk to Tom and we talked in generalities over the
06 phone concerning what Southern Union has meant to the
07 downtown and so on and so forth.
08 I asked him if there was something
09 he could just give me so I can kind of come back with
10 some stuff, and he gave me some points which I looked
11 at, and I just want to make them public here, that
12 since the building has started, Southern Union has paid
13 over $115,000 in building permits to the city. That's
14 almost 25 years of property taxes that were being paid
15 by the previous owners.
16 This was not a campaign
17 contribution to Southern Union. The WYOU building of
18 which they occupy, I think it's 90 some percent of the
19 site was designated a KOZ two years prior to Southern
20 Union buying it. It might have been when I was on
21 Council the first time or it might have been in the
22 second round after I left Council.
23 Southern Union employed, it was
24 represented by Mr. Constantini, over 31 local
25 contractors, who in turn employed 250 workers, of which
01 200 of whom were union workers who haven't had a chance
02 to work in their hometown in a long time, and I applaud
04 Because like Mr. Gervasi said, we
05 don't always agree, but I agree on this, union jobs
06 such as these are family sustaining jobs where a person
07 can raise a family, educate their children and live in
08 the comfort and the style and life that they should
09 live in.
10 And these poor fellows, especially
11 electricians and a lot of these people, had to journey
12 to Delaware, New York City, New Jersey and God knows
13 where to work in unionized jobs because of the lack of
14 work in the downtown.
15 Just an average salary of the type
16 of people they're bringing here, excluding Mr. Karam,
17 the average salary of the people working in that
18 building will be well over $70,000.
19 They've given in relocating the
20 two people that moved out of there to allow this
21 project to happen, Southern Union provided $220,000 in
22 financial assistance to Galucci Music and Steamtown
24 And kind of what Maryanne said
25 before, they have provided since 2002, over a half a
01 million dollars to local organizations serving the
02 area, charitable contributions.
03 Tom said this, when he always knew
04 that they would have 100 employees, and they're still
05 on track to bring that here. It may be on a little
06 slower time scale, but they're definitely trying to
07 bring that many employees here.
08 As such a nationwide and a
09 worldwide concern, Mr. Karam has been contacted by
10 numerous businesses from outside the city who want to
11 know what they think of the opportunities in Scranton,
12 and he says, They're wonderful, but he thinks that, you
13 know, that this negative, if there is negative
14 publicity, it would not -- it would definitely hurt a
15 nationwide corporate center from looking in coming
16 here, if it looks like someone is going to invest over
17 $20 some million in a building and get criticized for
18 doing it.
19 When they purchased the property,
20 they had to pay over $22,000 in back taxes on the
21 property that was there, and they used as many as they
22 could local vendors for a majority of their goods and
23 services that they put in the building, as evidenced by
24 Mr. Constantini's firm, other local firms and
25 contractors who had a chance to bid on various aspects
01 of the project and provide services to the project.
02 A lot of the different materials,
03 furnishings, sheet metal, whatever, windows, glass,
04 cement, everything was bought locally and it was used
05 in the building.
06 So, I think they have made a
07 rather staunch commitment to the city, and it may not
08 be on the timetable that everyone would like it to see,
09 but I think by their -- like someone said, that
10 building is going to be there for a lifetime. It will
11 be there long after we're there.
12 And all we can hope is that
13 hindsight is 20/20, looking into the future is somewhat
14 vague at times, and we just hope that the good things
15 that are going to happen there continue on the course
16 they're on. That's all on that issue.
17 Another issue, Mr. McTiernan,
18 welcome back. As a member of Council that missed an
19 entire month due to back surgery in 2001, I know
20 exactly what you went through. I wish you the best. I
21 did get an opportunity to talk to you before you went
22 into your surgery.
23 To tell you the type of guy he
24 was, when I called him on Wednesday night from
25 vacation, I was sitting in a restaurant enjoying a nice
01 meal with my wife, and Bob was sill at work trying to
02 clear up some stuff at school so he could leave with a
03 good conscience to drive to the hospital the next
05 So, I kept you in my prayers, Bob,
06 and I wish you the best, because it's a slow process
07 and it's -- you always have a bad back, it never goes
08 away. You've got to be careful for the rest of your
09 life and stay in shape and do what the doctor tells you
10 and avoid activities that could throw you out of whack,
11 because when they get in there, it's a tough haul.
12 That's really, I think, all I have right now. Thank
13 you, Mr. President.
14 MR. DIBILEO: Thank you,
15 Mr. Pocius. Mr. Courtright, motions or comments?
16 MR. COURTRIGHT: Yes,
17 Mr. President. Father Paul, he's a priest at St. Ann's
18 Basilica, in the recent past was assigned to the FBI
19 out in New York City, and he's come here and he's been
20 a force in this area, he's very active.
21 He, along with I believe a
22 Scranton firefighter, and I hope I don't destroy your
23 name, Bob Soltevitch, and I think a firefighter from
24 New York City took about eight or so young men from
25 this area, they raised money to go to West Virginia on
01 their own, they went down to West Virginia for a week,
02 they used monies that they raised to renovate a how
03 down there for people that needed it, so I just want to
04 thank them for that. That was, you know, nice of both
05 Father Paul and the firefighter to donate their time to
06 go down and help this family out.
07 Hyde Park Avenue near the
08 Lincoln School, I got a couple of calls yesterday. You
09 know, I think we all know we have some gangs here in
10 the area, and what appears to be, and I can't say for
11 sure, some local gang members attacked an individual in
12 that area the other night, two nights ago, and we were
13 lucky enough that we had two undercover cops from the
14 City of Scranton, whose names I won't mention, right on
15 the scene and grabbed up the guys and made an arrest,
16 so the neighbors wanted to say how pleased they were to
17 see the Scranton police officers there, they were
18 undercover cops.
19 Jay isn't here, so, Neil, I hate
20 to do this to you, if you could take a little note
21 there for me, I received pretty promptly from
22 Dave Elliot and then later on from Jim Wintermantle,
23 who is in charge of taking care of this illegal parking
24 that's going on out in front of City Hall, and I would
25 just ask one thing, I know the Parking Authority has a
01 board, I don't know if it's called a board of directors
02 or whatever, but if I can have the names of the members
03 of the board there, and if in fact we get any federal
04 or state funds, who oversees that for the state or
05 federal government, if I can get that information.
06 I hate to keep going over this
07 pool fee, and I actually thought it was over a while
08 back, and here we find it here again, and I was kind of
09 upset about the comment that the mayor made and he
10 calls us the majority of Council, If we were genuinely
11 concerned for the welfare of the swimmers, you know, we
12 wouldn't have just brought this up.
13 I've been on this issue since I've
14 been on Council. I did not just before this up. I
15 remember way back, even with Mr. McTiernan, I tried to
16 get him to see my way on some items and talked once or
17 twice with even him about it, so it isn't an issue that
18 I just this summer brought up.
19 I've been on this thing forever,
20 so I take offense to the fact that he's saying that I'm
21 doing it for politics. I'm not running for office at
22 this time, I've got a couple more years left before I
23 decide if I'm going to run again.
24 And the other thing I'm upset for,
25 I didn't realize they had somebody investigating
01 Mr. DiBileo, and I think that's pretty sad if that's
02 the point we've come to, we're going around using
03 private investigators, because during the primary they
04 had a gentleman from the West Scranton area that's been
05 a pillar and just a wonderful person investigated and
06 really upset him and accused him of things that I don't
07 believe he did, and so I would just hope that all this
08 nonsense would stop, and that's what I think it is,
09 nonsense if we're sending out investigators to try to
10 dig up dirt on people.
11 If it does have to do with the
12 election, let's just run the election and not get into
13 this type of thing.
14 And one more, if I could, Neil, I
15 would ask that, you know, Mrs. Stulgis made some
16 accusations here about health care, if we can get what
17 Mrs. Stulgis said in writing and ask Mrs. Moran to
18 answer to those accusations, all right? Because I
19 think most certainly we need to get health care under
20 control. And that's all I have, Mr. President. Thank
22 MR. DIBILEO: Thank you,
23 Mr. Courtright. First let me apologize, my
24 dollar-store reading glasses broke, and I'm going to
25 use ladies glasses, my assistant, Nancy's glasses.
01 But you just brought up a good
02 point, I think, and I'm not going to mentioned any
03 investigation that's going on with me again, because
04 that's fine, I guess everybody has a right to hire an
05 investigator, but you brought up a point about a
06 gentleman from West Scranton who has been involved
07 politically for over 50 years, and he's very, very well
08 respected in West Scranton in the Saint Lucy's area,
09 he's a senior citizen, and most people that I know of
10 have the utmost respect for the gentleman, and for some
11 reason, he was investigated, as you said, this past
12 primary election season.
13 And just so that people are aware
14 of what might be going on behind the scenes, there was
15 a woman, that I'll not mention her name, going around
16 to the individuals in West Scranton that happened to
17 turn their absentee ballots into this gentleman, and
18 he's been doing it for 50 years.
19 They are seniors themselves and
20 they don't get out to the poles and they asked this
21 gentleman to handle their absentee ballots, basically
22 could you turn them in. He turns them in basically,
23 And they had an investigator
24 knocking on their door saying that the person was from
25 the voter registration office.
01 Well, it turns out she wasn't with
02 voter registration, she was a campaign worker with the
03 Doherty For Mayor Campaign, and they investigated these
04 absentee ballots.
05 It turned out that no action was
06 taken, no charges were filed, somebody was just trying
07 to send a message, because they thought this individual
08 might not be for a particular candidate.
09 And there was a lot of people that
10 were very upset in the Cabrini Avenue area,
11 Saint Lucy's area that were seniors, and they became
12 afraid. They became afraid that they were going to be
13 arrested for some reason, that they were being
14 questioned and subpoenaed to go before and be
15 questioned by attorneys about their absentee votes. I
16 think someone was trying to say that this individual
17 was involved in how they were voting.
18 Well, I'll tell you what, he took
19 it like a real man. He did not get intimidated, he did
20 not get nervous, and I worried about that, his wife did
21 and a lot of people involved with these absentee
22 ballots got very nervous.
23 As a matter of fact, one woman,
24 and I'm not going to say why, but she's since passed
25 away, supposedly she was having problems through the
01 years with asthma and her asthma got kicked up, and I'm
02 not saying that has anything to do with what happened
03 that I'm talking about. Some people think it could.
04 Anyway, this private investigator
05 business I think is for the birds. Why don't we just
06 have elections and go head to head and leave everybody
07 else out of it?
08 On another matter, there's a
09 Workers' Compensation piece of legislation that we'll
10 be entertaining shortly. I had questions on it. It's
11 involving the City of Scranton's Workers' Compensation
12 Trust Fund Reserve Account and whether or not that can
13 be used for so-called buyouts of individuals that are
14 off work on disability under Workers' Compensation, and
15 I contacted the self insurance division of the
16 Workers' Compensation Bureau, and George Knehr, the
17 chief, responded to my questions, and I appreciate
18 that, and I have my answers.
19 But Mr. Knehr brings up a good
20 point in his response back to me, and I'd like to get a
21 response from the administration on this before we go
22 ahead and formalize the legislation possibly, if we
23 can, because I don't think holding it up any longer is
24 going to jeopardize anything.
25 But in his letter here he says
01 that according to the bureau's health and safety
02 division, the City of Scranton has not applied for
03 approval of a workplace safety committee under our
04 certification program, meaning the bureau's
05 certification program.
06 Perhaps the city should consider
07 creating and implementing such a committee. Studies
08 have consistently shown that employers participating in
09 the commonwealth's work place safety committee
10 certification program have 24 to 28 percent lower
11 average claims costs when compared to employers who are
12 eligible but do not participate in the program.
13 So, the City of Scranton is
14 eligible and is not participating in the program, and
15 I'd like to have them possibly consider this, because
16 we certainly would like to have 24 to 28 percent lower
17 average Workers' Comp. claims costs. I'd like to get
18 their response on that, if we could.
19 Jay's not here, but possibly Neil
20 or Mark could take this down, there's a question by a
21 resident of the Mt. Laurel Estates Development
22 regarding a question whether or not it's a private
23 development and entitled to city paving, city cleaning,
24 city plowing, etc.
25 I'm not certain what's happening
01 up there, but this resident is questioning that, and
02 I'm wondering if we can't get maybe somebody here might
03 even be aware of what the situation is, but in addition
04 to that question, there's a retention pond up there
05 that it was required to have a fence around the pond,
06 and there's no fence around that retention pond, and
07 that's a safety issue. So, I wonder if we can get some
08 answers, whether or not they're entitled to city street
10 MR. POCIUS: MR. President, where
11 is that. Is that the one on East Mountain?
12 MR. DIBILEO: I believe so.
13 MR. POCIUS: It's kind of stuck up
15 MR. DIBILEO: On the top of
16 East Mountain.
17 MR. POCIUS: I think to answer part
18 of the question, the roads are somewhat messed up up
19 there. Sometimes they're, you know, I don't know if
20 they're exactly in the right of ways they're supposed
21 to be, and I think Ariele Avenue or some other street
22 goes through there.
23 There may be city streets that may
24 come through both sides, I'm not sure, but I think from
25 my experience up there, I'm not aware of the retention
01 pond situation, when that was put in.
02 There was a large detention pond
03 that we put in on the East Mountain Road project, which
04 is over in that area, but that included a fence and the
05 whole nine yards.
06 And with PennDOT doing the
07 inspection, I'm sure that's all done, but I don't
08 know -- maybe we should send that down to Mr. Parker
09 and maybe he can take -- give us an answer back, you
11 MR. DIBILEO: I'd like to.
12 MR. POCIUS: I know where it is.
13 MR. DIBILEO: I'll give this Email
14 to Neil, because I've gotten a couple of Emails on this
15 situation and haven't gotten any answers for this
17 The 2300 block of Watrous Street
18 hasn't been paved in a long time and a resident there
19 is questioning whether or not that can be possibly
20 added to the paving program.
21 MS. EVANS: Off Ash, right?
22 MR. DIBILEO: That's off Ash,
23 right. And I understand that there are two or three
24 holes there that are over a foot deep and maybe about
25 2 to 3 feet wide, so it's going to need, I think, some
01 extensive repair.
02 MR. DIBILEO: Yeah. I understand
03 there's only two or three houses on that block, and
04 that's the only block of Watrous Street in the city,
05 and they seemed to be getting a little bit ignored, and
06 it could be because of the fact there's not a lot of
07 people living there, however, let's look into it. If
08 nothing else, maybe we can at least get those big
09 potholes filled in the meantime. See if we can get
10 that on the paving program list.
11 I brought something up last week
12 or possibly two weeks ago, and that was involving -- I
13 questioned who paid for an ad that was in the
14 Inaugural Edition of the Scranton Times, and the ad was
15 reading, The Next Chapter In A Great Story, and it was
16 with Mayor Doherty and Restoring The Pride on it, and
17 he's basically acknowledging the great job that the
18 Scranton Times does and how, you know, how happy we are
19 to have the Scranton Times here, and it starts out
20 saying, What would the City of Scranton be without The
21 Scranton Times?
22 And he goes on to acknowledge
23 them, and I just wondered who paid for the ad, because
24 it just doesn't seem as though the taxpayers should be
25 paying, and there's no small print on the bottom that
01 would say Pay for by the committee, you know,
02 Doherty For Mayor Committee.
03 But the publishers of the
04 Scranton Times personally have contributed to
05 Mr. Doherty's campaign, which is their right, and
06 Chris Doherty has a right to congratulate the
07 Scranton Times, but I don't think it should be at the
08 expense of the taxpayers.
09 So, I just, I wrote a letter to
10 him asking him for a response on who paid the bill, if
11 it's paid yet, and I haven't gotten a response yet.
12 So, I'd like to ask Mr. Walsh to ask Mr. Saunders to
13 follow up on that for me. And that's all I have.
14 MS. EVANS: Mr. President, if I
15 could beg your pardon for just one minute.
16 MR. DIBILEO: Absolutely.
17 MS. EVANS: Two items that I
18 forgot, actually one I forgot and one that I need to
19 clarify, 916 Monroe Avenue, clogged sewer drain or
20 catch basin. It's causing ponding of water and, again,
21 it's creating a very foul odor and attracting insects,
22 particularly mosquitoes, and this is my second request
23 for that particular problem to be address, and
24 secondly, the clarification, because I've heard so much
25 today about these multi-million and multi-billion
01 dollar corporations coming to our city locating
02 headquarters or branch offices, etc., I just wanted to
03 be certain that everyone understand that I am most
04 supportive of those entities, and I appreciate all that
05 they bring to the City of Scranton, whether it is a new
06 building, construction of jobs, donations to charitable
07 organizations, I am most appreciative. All I had
08 desired was simply this in the case of Southern Union,
09 that Mr. Karam would have come to City Council for a
10 caucus meeting where he could discuss precisely what
11 was transpiring with the company with its relocation
12 from Wilkes-Barre to Scranton, any extenuating
13 circumstances, and I requested this in order to avoid
14 any type of negative publicity or stain on
15 Southern Union, because at the time rumors were
16 swirling throughout the city, and whether
17 Southern Union recognized it or not, they were
18 receiving a black eye, and I had hoped to clear that
20 Perhaps Mr. Karam will still come
21 and give us a more precise picture of what he brings to
22 Scranton and all the benefits we stand to reap.
23 Secondly, I want to be sure that
24 they remain in compliance with the status that they
25 have been granted by the State of Pennsylvania.
01 I'm certain that, you know, as
02 I've discussed with a very knowledgeable individual,
03 their attorneys can ascertain that information and
04 insure that that is the case, but I would just hate to
05 see the negative publicity that could accompany that
06 type of development if we overlooked any of the print,
07 shall we say, in that agreement.
08 And I hope that puts an end once
09 and for all for, you know, any concerns about
10 Southern Union or, let's say, any defensive attitudes
11 people might pursue by mistakenly categorizing my
12 perception of the situation. And that's all.
13 MR. DIBILEO: Thank you,
14 Mrs. Evans. Mr. Walsh.
15 MR. WALSH: Fifth order. 5-B, FOR
16 INTRODUCTION - AN ORDINANCE - AMENDING FILE OF COUNCIL
17 NO. 68, 2004, ENTITLED, AN ORDINANCE AUTHORIZING THE
18 MAYOR AND OTHER APPROPRIATE OFFICIALS OF THE CITY OF
19 SCRANTON TO TAKE ALL NECESSARY ACTIONS TO IMPLEMENT THE
20 CONSOLIDATED SUBMISSION FOR COMMUNITY PLANNING AND
21 DEVELOPMENT PROGRAMS TO BE FUNDED UNDER THE COMMUNITY
22 DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT (CDBG) PROGRAM, HOME INVESTMENT
23 PARTNERSHIP (HOME) PROGRAM AND EMERGENCY SHELTER GRANT
24 (ESG) PROGRAM, BY REALLOCATING $125,000.00 FROM PROJECT
25 NO. 99-100, COMPREHENSIVE HOUSING REHABILITATION
01 PROGRAM, TO A NEWLY CREATED PROJECT ENTITLED ARTSPACE.
02 MR. DIBILEO: At this time I'll
03 entertain a motion that Item 5-B be introduced into its
04 proper committee.
05 MR. POCIUS: So moved.
06 MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.
07 MR. DIBILEO: On the question?
08 MR. POCIUS: Just on the question,
09 Mr. President. I received a call from Paul Coliezzi,
10 and I got back to him, and I guess it was to describe
11 the project, and can we just ask for a letter from him
12 describing what the project is all about, or maybe you
13 know. He didn't get a chance to get back to me on it.
14 MR. DIBILEO: Yeah, I actually
15 talked with him and ended up meeting with him, along
16 with Mr. Courtright, and the project really appears to
17 be a good project, and it's hard to explain, so during
18 our meeting I asked Mr. Coliezzi if he could actually
19 come for the public's sake next week at six o'clock and
20 explain this project to not only City Council, but to
21 our community.
22 MR. POCIUS: That's fine. That's
23 even better.
24 MR. DIBILEO: So, it's on the
25 agenda. If it's going to pass, we'd like to see it
01 pass before we take our break in August, so that's what
02 we'll have happen next Thursday at six o'clock.
03 MR. POCIUS: Thank you.
04 MR. DIBILEO: Anyone else?
05 All those in favor, signify by saying aye.
06 MR. McTIERNAN: Aye.
07 MS. EVANS: Aye.
08 MR. POCIUS: Aye.
09 MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.
10 MR. DIBILEO: Aye. Opposed? The
11 ayes have it and so moved.
12 MR. WALSH: 5-C, FOR INTRODUCTION
13 - AN ORDINANCE -
14 MR. POCIUS: Excuse me.
15 Mr. Walsh, Mr. Walsh, Mr. Walsh, I'd like to make a
16 motion on 5-C that we change the spelling of Dixon
17 Avenue, which is erroneously spelled in both the
18 heading and the body, change it from D-I-X-O-N, to
20 MR. WALSH: May I make a
21 suggestion, Mr. Pocius, I believe because it's never
22 been introduced before, it would be proper to read it
23 and then introduce it on the question.
24 MR. POCIUS: We've often done this
25 in the past, amended it before it's gone in, because
01 right now it's really nothing.
02 If we amend it before it's
03 introduced, it doesn't have to carry that amended title
04 all the way through, but I'll go on your advice, but
05 we've done this a zillion times in the past. We were
06 always instructed to amend it before. It's up to you.
07 MR. POCIUS: We have sort of a
08 hybrid here, because we read things three times, so
09 oftentimes you'll amend them before a sixth or a
10 seventh reading, but perhaps --
11 MR. POCIUS: It's a clerical
12 thing, it's not a policy thing, Mr. Walsh. It's just a
13 clerical thing where Dickson was spelled with an X,
14 rather than a C-K-S-O-N.
15 MR. WALSH: I understand.
16 MR. DIBILEO: It has to be the
17 right street. Mr. Walsh, to be safe, would you mind if
18 we went ahead and made a motion to change the spelling
19 now prior to reading it, would that be okay?
20 MR. POCIUS: It's not like we're
21 changing any intent to the ordinance, it's just a
22 little clerical change.
23 MR. DIBILEO: Do you want to make
24 that motion?
25 MR. POCIUS: I'll make it.
01 MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.
02 MR. DIBILEO: Okay. We have a
03 motion on the floor and a second to change the spelling
04 of Dickson Avenue to D-I-C-K-S-O-N throughout the
05 ordinance. On the question? All those in favor,
06 signify by saying aye.
07 MR. McTIERNAN: Aye.
08 MS. EVANS: Aye.
09 MR. POCIUS: Aye.
10 MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.
11 MR. DIBILEO: Aye. Opposed? The
12 ayes have it and so moved.
13 MR. WALSH: 5-C, FOR INTRODUCTION
14 - AN ORDINANCE - ESTABLISHING A PERMANENT SIGN ON THE
15 1700 BLOCK OF DICKSON AVENUE PROHIBITING TRUCK PARKING
16 AND/OR TRUCK IDLING BETWEEN 7:00 P.M. AND 7:00 A.M.
17 MR. DIBILEO: At this time I'll
18 entertain a motion that Item 5-C be introduced into its
19 proper committee.
20 MR. POCIUS: So moved.
21 MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.
22 MR. DIBILEO: On the question?
23 MR. POCIUS: Mr. Walsh, another
24 question for you, would we need a public hearing on
25 this, only because it's setting up a totally new
01 precedence, it's not changing the duration like we did,
02 15 to 30 or, you know, it's kind of --
03 MR. WALSH: I think it would be
05 MR. POCIUS: To maybe make it --
06 to give some standing to the enforcement of it later
08 MR. WALSH: Certainly.
09 MR. POCIUS: Can we maybe check?
10 Is it possible to have one next week? We should to
11 keep this rolling, right?
12 MS. EVANS: Yes.
13 MR. WALSH: If you would like, we
14 could vote on this and then make a motion for the
16 MR. POCIUS: Gary, do we have any
17 public hearings next week?
18 MR. DIBILEO: We have the caucus
19 meeting for the Artspace legislation at six, but I
20 don't see why we can't be finished up by 6:45 for that
21 or even 6:30.
22 MS. EVANS: Yes, because as John
23 noted, I think it's imperative that this is passed
24 before we recess for August.
25 MR. POCIUS: And let's not have
01 any loop hole where someone could say you never had a
02 public hearing. I know an ordinance is needed to
03 enforce it, because it's a special type of parking
04 regulation, so maybe we're safe to have a public
05 hearing next week, so let's pass it and we can make a
06 motion for 6:45 next week and advertise it as such.
07 MR. DIBILEO: Great. Okay. So,
08 on the legislation, all those in favor, signify by
09 saying aye.
10 MR. McTIERNAN: Aye.
11 MS. EVANS: Aye.
12 MR. POCIUS: Aye.
13 MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.
14 MR. DIBILEO: Aye. Opposed? The
15 ayes have it and so moved.
16 MR. POCIUS: I make a motion that
17 we hold a public hearing on 5-C next week, which would
18 be the 21 at 6:45 p.m. in Council chambers and
19 authorize the staff to advertise said public hearing.
20 MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.
21 MR. DIBILEO: Okay. We have a
22 motion on the floor and a second on the public hearing
23 at 6:45. On the question? All those in favor, signify
24 by saying aye.
25 MR. McTIERNAN: Aye.
01 MS. EVANS: Aye.
02 MR. POCIUS: Aye.
03 MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.
04 MR. DIBILEO: Aye. Opposed? The
05 ayes have it and so moved.
06 MR. WALSH: 5-D, FOR INTRODUCTION
07 - A RESOLUTION - AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND OTHER
08 APPROPRIATE CITY OFFICIALS TO EXECUTE AND ENTER INTO A
09 QUALIFIED SELLER AGREEMENT (QSA) WITH COMMUNITY
10 REINVESTMENT FUND, INC. (CRF) WHICH AGREEMENT WOULD
11 QUALIFY THE CITY TO SELL OUTSTANDING LOANS FROM THE
12 CITY OF SCRANTON, OFFICE OF ECONOMIC AND COMMUNITY
14 MR. DIBILEO: At this time I'll
15 entertain a motion that 5-D be introduced into its
16 proper committee.
17 MR. POCIUS: So moved.
18 MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.
19 MR. DIBILEO: On the question?
20 MS. EVANS: Yes. I'm going to
21 vote to introduce these two pieces of legislation
22 tonight or today, rather, in fifth order, but with
23 great reservation.
24 I'm still considering my sixth and
25 seventh order votes, because this deal is littered with
01 conflicting stories.
02 First of all, according to the
03 paper, no one told CRF the deal was approved, yet they
04 issued or pursued a bond issue without any legislation
05 ever having reached this dais.
06 Now, what company borrows over
07 $5 million when they don't know that they have a deal,
08 when it's, you know, undecided unstable?
09 Then the deal had to be
10 consummated by June 30, that's what we were originally
11 told, or we would lose the opportunity for this deal.
12 Next I heard, Consummate by
13 June 30, or the deal cannot come before you for another
14 six months.
15 Now it's July 14, we're
16 entertaining it in 5th order and it's going to pass by
17 the end of July, so which -- well, I know that story
18 number one obviously we can eliminate, but which of the
19 other two is the truth?
20 Then, according to the paper,
21 there are no loans pending for the use of this $5.2
22 million, nothing. Well, then I ask, Why the rush?
23 Now, the purpose -- or rather one
24 of the purposes of this resolving loan program is to
25 provide loans for the future, five years from now, ten,
01 fifteen, twenty, and as those payments come in from
02 current loans, they fund other businesses in the
03 future, but what we're looking to do right now is take
04 the cream of the crop.
05 It's like take the roses out of my
06 garden and leave the dandelions and milk weeds for me,
07 but give me all that money right now. Well, what
08 happens in the future when those payments aren't coming
09 in? What about those future businesses, two, five, ten
10 years from now.
11 Now, this $5 million, I say we're
12 getting it in this questionable manner, where I've been
13 presented with one contradiction after another, because
14 there is a plan for that $5.2 million.
15 Now, with the history of this
16 administration, often -- well, not often, sometimes
17 providing less than truthful responses to Council, and
18 circumventing Council, I have to exercise caution when
19 I look at such a fast deal.
20 And, so what I want is simply
21 this, bottom line, answer the question. Mr. Doherty,
22 what are you using this money for, because this doesn't
23 add up.
24 So, before I can vote to approve
25 this, I want that answer, and if that answer doesn't
01 could, I will not be voting to approve this. I will
02 only introduce it. That's all.
03 MR. DIBILEO: If there's no
04 further questions, all those in favor of introduction,
05 signify by saying aye.
06 MR. McTIERNAN: Aye.
07 MS. EVANS: Aye.
08 MR. POCIUS: Aye.
09 MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.
10 MR. DIBILEO: Aye. Opposed? The
11 ayes have it and so moved.
12 MR. WALSH: 5-E, FOR INTRODUCTION
13 - A RESOLUTION - AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND OTHER
14 APPROPRIATE CITY OFFICIALS TO EXECUTE AND ENTER INTO A
15 LOAN PURCHASE AGREEMENT WITH COMMUNITY REINVESTMENT
16 FUND, INC. (CRF) FOR THE PURCHASE OF FOURTEEN LOANS
17 MADE BY THE CITY OF SCRANTON, OFFICE OF ECONOMIC AND
18 COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
19 MR. DIBILEO: At this time I'll
20 entertain a motion that Item 5-E be introduced into its
21 proper committee.
22 MR. POCIUS: So moved.
23 MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.
24 MR. DIBILEO: On the question?
25 All those in favor, signify by saying aye.
01 MR. McTIERNAN: Aye.
02 MS. EVANS: Aye.
03 MR. POCIUS: Aye.
04 MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.
05 MR. DIBILEO: Aye. Opposed? The
06 ayes have it and so moved.
07 MR. WALSH: 5-F, FOR INTRODUCTION
08 - A RESOLUTION - AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND OTHER
09 APPROPRIATE CITY OFFICIALS TO EXECUTE AND ENTER INTO A
10 REIMBURSEMENT AGREEMENT NO. 048764 WITH THE
11 COMMONWEALTH OF PENNSYLVANIA, DEPARTMENT OF
12 TRANSPORTATION FOR THE 500 BLOCK OF LACKAWANNA AVENUE
13 HOMETOWN STREETS PROJECT.
14 MR. DIBILEO: At this time I'll
15 entertain a motion that Item 5-F be introduced into its
16 proper committee.
17 MR. POCIUS: So moved.
18 MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.
19 MR. DIBILEO: On the question?
20 MR. POCIUS: Just on the question,
21 Mr. Walsh, would you, the same thing, some of these
22 disagreement does not have enough signature lines on to
23 make it city compliant, you need to have the controller
24 and the city solicitor, and I think the mayor, too, so
25 just to alert the law department. I think there's room
01 to modify it. It's a clerical thing.
02 MR. WALSH: Okay.
03 MR. DIBILEO: Okay. If there's no
04 further questions, all those in favor, signify by
05 saying aye.
06 MR. McTIERNAN: Aye.
07 MS. EVANS: Aye.
08 MR. POCIUS: Aye.
09 MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.
10 MR. DIBILEO: Aye. Opposed? The
11 ayes have it and so moved.
12 MR. WALSH: Sixth order. 6-A,
13 READING BY TITLE - FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 138, 2005 -
14 AN ORDINANCE - AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND OTHER
15 APPROPRIATE CITY OFFICIALS TO DESIGNATE AN AMOUNT NOT
16 TO EXCEED $17,500.00 FROM ACCOUNT NO. 94-400, REPAYMENT
17 OF URBAN DEVELOPMENT ACTION GRANTS (UDAG), FOR PUBLIC
18 FACILITY IMPROVEMENTS AT WESTON PARK TEENER LEAGUE.
19 MR. DIBILEO: You've heard reading
20 by title of Item 6-A. What is your pleasure?
21 MR. POCIUS: Mr. President, I move
22 that Item 6-A pass reading by title.
23 MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.
24 MR. DIBILEO: On the question?
25 All those in favor, signify by saying aye.
01 MR. McTIERNAN: Aye.
02 MR. POCIUS: Aye.
03 MS. EVANS: Aye.
04 MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.
05 MR. DIBILEO: Aye. Opposed? The
06 ayes have it and so moved.
07 MR. WALSH: 6-B, READING BY TITLE
08 - FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 139, 2005 - AN ORDINANCE - SALE
09 OF TAX DELINQUENT PROPERTY AT 501 JADWIN STREET,
10 SCRANTON, PENNSYLVANIA, TO JAMES E. AND
11 KATHLEEN E. PAYESKI, 503 JADWIN STREET, SCRANTON,
12 PENNSYLVANIA, 18509, FOR THE SUM OF $2,500.00.
13 MR. DIBILEO: You've heard reading
14 by title of Item 6-B. What is your pleasure?
15 MR. POCIUS: Mr. President, I move
16 that Item 6-B pass reading by title.
17 MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.
18 MR. DIBILEO: On the question?
19 All those in favor, signify by saying aye.
20 MR. McTIERNAN: Aye.
21 MR. POCIUS: Aye.
22 MS. EVANS: Aye.
23 MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.
24 MR. DIBILEO: Aye. Opposed? The
25 ayes have it and so moved.
01 MR. WALSH: 6-C, READING BY TITLE
02 - FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 140, 2005 - AN ORDINANCE - SALE
03 OF TAX DELINQUENT PROPERTY AT 1114 BLAIR AVENUE,
04 SCRANTON, PENNSYLVANIA, TO ROBERT GAVERN, P.O. BOX
05 20132, SCRANTON, PENNSYLVANIA, 18502, FOR THE SUM OF
07 MR. DIBILEO: You've heard reading
08 by title of Item 6-C. What is your pleasure?
09 MR. POCIUS: Mr. President, I move
10 that Item 6-C pass reading by title.
11 MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.
12 MR. DIBILEO: On the question?
13 On the question, this legislation is the sale
14 obviously of a tax delinquent property, and for a
15 reason I am not totally familiar with, at this time
16 Mr. Gavin was wondering if we might be able to move
17 this along into seventh order this evening, so we may
18 have a motion to do that, to help Mr. Gavern out for
19 his reasoning. If there's no further questions, all
20 those in favor, signify by saying aye.
21 MR. McTIERNAN: Aye.
22 MS. EVANS: Aye.
23 MR. POCIUS: Aye.
24 MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.
25 MR. DIBILEO: Aye. Opposed? The
01 ayes have it and so moved.
02 MR. POCIUS: Would it be prudent
03 to approve the two of them, two tax delinquents just to
04 get rid of them both? Okay. I make a motion we
05 suspend our rules and move 6-B and 6-C into seventh
07 MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.
08 MR. DIBILEO: Okay. We have a
09 motion on the floor and a second. On the question?
10 All those in favor, signify by saying aye.
11 MR. McTIERNAN: Aye.
12 MS. EVANS: Aye.
13 MR. POCIUS: Aye.
14 MR. COURTRIGHT: Aye.
15 MR. DIBILEO: Aye. Opposed?
16 The ayes have it and so moved.
17 MR. WALSH: Seventh order.
18 7-A, FOR CONSIDERATION BY THE COMMITTEE ON FINANCE -
19 FOR ADOPTION - FILE OF COUNCIL NO. 137, 2005 -
20 AMENDING FILE OF THE COUNCIL NO. 252, 2003, THEREBY
21 AMENDING FILE OF THE COUNCIL NOS. 188 OF 1994 AND 103
22 OF 1995 AS SET FORTH IN THE SCRANTON CODIFIED CODE AT
23 SECTION 332-20 PERTAINING TO FEES FOR USE OF
24 FACILITIES, TO AMEND THE FEES FOR THE USE OF OUTDOOR
25 CITY POOLS OTHER THAN NAY AUG PARK. MOTION TO OVERRIDE
01 OR SUSTAIN MAYOR'S VETO.
02 MR. DIBILEO: What's the
03 recommendation of the chairperson for the committee on
05 MS. EVANS: As chair for the
06 committee on finance, I recommend final pass of
07 Item 7-A.
08 MR. WALSH: 7-A is whether or not
09 we're going to it override or sustain the mayors veto.
10 MR. DIBILEO: Okay.
11 MR. WALSH: So, I guess the motion
12 would be whether we're going to override or to sustain
13 the veto. So, your motion then is --
14 MS. EVANS: Yes.
15 MR. COURTRIGHT: Second.
16 MR. WALSH: It may have been
17 unclear clear from the way I read it. I apologize.
18 Sometimes when you get to the override of the vetoes,
19 believe me, it gets confusing. So, the motion on the
20 floor is to override the mayor's veto with respect to
22 MR. COURTRIGHT: Yes.
23 MR. DIBILEO: That's right. Thank
24 you. On the question? Is there --
25 MS. EVANS: Yes. Mr. Courtright,
01 were you about to speak?
02 MR. COURTRIGHT: No, I seconded
04 MS. EVANS: Okay.
05 MR. DIBILEO: Let me say that I
06 find it somewhat hard to believe that a mayor would
07 actually be so bold to veto free swimming gone for
08 children, and especially underprivileged children.
09 What makes this veto especially
10 troublesome, in my opinion, is that four years ago on
11 April 17, 2001, the Scranton Times reported
12 Councilman Chris Doherty, and here is the article off
13 the internet, Councilman Chris Doherty says, well, the
14 article reads, Councilman Doherty agreed with the plan,
15 and this was an article regarding the fact that pools
16 would be free that year, Councilman Doherty agreed with
17 the plan, adding that charging the underprivileged
18 children to use the pools defeated the purpose of
19 having public swimming spots.
20 And that particular year, for
21 whatever it's worth, $1500 was budgeted for revenue for
22 the pools that year, but my question is this, what
23 would make a mayor blatantly flip-flop and go back on
24 his own words from what he says as a Councilman
25 compared to what he says as a mayor?
01 On June 9, 2005, which was four,
02 five weeks ago, I made a motion to have free swimming
03 this year, that evening the vote was 5-0 that evening.
04 Some Council members changed their vote, which is
05 something that I was criticized of by the mayor.
06 Now, from one week to the next
07 Council members can change their votes, and on June the
08 9th, after that 5-0 vote, I stated publicly that the
09 administration, two days before the opening of the
10 pools, I suggested at that time the administration
11 consider not charging a fee starting with opening day
12 on June the 11th, and instead we accept donations. And
13 I didn't think there would be a big fall off between,
14 you know, what was charged, as compared to what was
15 accepted through donations.
16 So, this may seem like just
17 another veto, and Council has several of them, for
18 example, like taking the South Side Complex deed back,
19 we were vetoed on that, like legislation that Council
20 made having a say in Nay Aug pool fees, which was
21 discussed this evening, like returning the bidding
22 limit back to the state, the county, and the school
23 district level of $10,000, which guarantees not
24 overpaying and promotes equal participating of
25 contractors, like when he vetoed a budget eliminating
01 $4 million of additional borrowing, just seven months
02 ago, so this may seem like just another veto that
03 affects taxpayer, but this greatly has the greatest
04 effect on children, they're the ones who suffer.
05 You know, I said before that
06 identification at the pools probably would be more
07 trouble than it's worth, as far as trying to identify
08 who is a city resident, and I would even question
09 whether a non-resident could find these neighborhood
10 pools, like the Novembrino Complex and the pool down on
11 Capouse Avenue, and the Connell Park Pool, I think
12 non-residents are heading to Nay Aug, and this doesn't
13 involve that, we have a fee up there.
14 So, you know, everyone has a right
15 to his or her vote, but I don't know, in my opinion, I
16 think there's also right and wrong votes, and some
17 might say that it's not about keeping -- some say it's
18 about keeping the riff-raff out of the pools, and I say
19 that this should have nothing to do with keeping the
20 so-called riff-raff, no one should be referred to as
21 riff-raff out of city neighborhood pools.
22 And I've said before, and I'll say
23 it again, that I think it's very unfortunate to the
24 people that would benefit there the most, I'm talking
25 about the underprivileged children, the fact that we
01 have a mayor who lives in a mansion and cannot relate
02 to the struggles of the average Scrantonian.
03 It's very unfortunate for those
04 underprivileged children, and I would ask my fellow
05 Council members to please put yourselves in the shoes
06 of those underprivileged children prior to making their
07 veto vote.
08 MS. EVANS: I defer to the
09 president, because this was his legislation, but I
10 agree with everything he stated, and just wanted to add
11 a bit of additional information.
12 You know, I have to wonder how
13 many city residents started a business at the age of
14 eight or ten, I have to wonder how many kids right now
15 probably lost their paper route because the
16 Times has only one edition now.
17 And, you know, I have to also
18 wonder how many of our successful Scrantonians
19 inherited a business from their parents, and, you know,
20 most of us don't have that kind of benefit, we have to
21 carve out our own lives, our own futures.
22 And, you know, children know that
23 nothing is free, they know at a very young age. They
24 know the first day they go to school in September and
25 they see the kids that have the new clothes and the new
01 shoes, and they're wearing hand-me-downs and last
02 year's shoes.
03 They know they didn't get it
04 because they're mother couldn't afford it. They know,
05 you know, maybe as they grow a little older, they know
06 some kids go to Disneyland on vacation, and they know
07 all they're going to do is maybe rent a Disney video
08 So, it's very unfortunate to me
09 that the mayor has made this into worse than a
10 political issue, he's made it into class warfare, and I
11 recognize, as other members of Council do, that we have
12 a responsibility to all families, not just some like
13 the mayor feels, all families, because all families pay
14 their taxes to improve all of our parks, and now he's
15 asking them to pay to use them, and a lot of people
16 can't do that.
17 And I think something that
18 qualifies as bad as denying children such simple
19 things, is to have created such division within the
20 City of Scranton and caused class warfare. No mayor
21 should ever govern in that manner.
22 MR. DIBILEO: Anyone else on the
24 MS. EVANS: I just wanted to add
25 that since I first ran for office and my first year on
01 City Council, and now until we have a leader who has
02 compassion and fiscal responsibility within his office
03 and has nothing to do with politics, it has to do with
04 good government and the people of this city.
05 MR. DIBILEO: And you also think
06 it has to deal with being sympathetic to people less
07 fortunate than you. Roll call, please, Neil.
08 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. McTiernan.
09 MR. McTIERNAN: No.
10 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Evans.
11 MS. EVANS: Yes.
12 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. Pocius.
13 MR. POCIUS: No.
14 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. Courtright.
15 MR. COURTRIGHT: Yes.
16 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. DiBileo.
17 MR. DIBILEO: Yes.
18 The recommendation to override the veto, 7-A, File of
19 Council No. 252, 2005 unfortunately does not have an
20 extraordinary majority vote, therefore, I declare
21 override of the veto File of Council No. 252, 2005
23 MR. WALSH: 7-B, FOR
24 CONSIDERATION BY THE COMMITTEE ON RULES - FOR ADOPTION
25 - RESOLUTION NO. 153, 2005 - AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND
01 OTHER APPROPRIATE CITY OFFICIALS TO EXECUTE AND ENTER
02 INTO A LICENSE AGREEMENT WITH THE LACKAWANNA RAIL
03 AUTHORITY PERTAINING TO THE CROSSING OF THE RAIL LINES
04 BY THE LACKAWANNA RIVER FLOOD CONTROL PROJECT LEVEE.
05 MR. DIBILEO: As chairperson for
06 the committee on rules, I recommend final passage of
07 Item 7-B.
08 MR. POCIUS: Seconded.
09 MR. DIBILEO: On the question?
10 Roll call, please, Neil.
11 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. McTiernan.
12 MR. McTIERNAN: Yes.
13 MR. COOLICAN: Ms. Evans.
14 MS. EVANS: Yes.
15 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. Pocius.
16 MR. POCIUS: Yes.
17 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. Courtright.
18 MR. COURTRIGHT: Yes.
19 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. DiBileo.
20 MR. DIBILEO: Yes. I hereby
21 declare Item 7-B legally and lawfully adopted.
22 MR. WALSH: 7-C, FOR CONSIDERATION
23 BY THE COMMITTEE ON RULES - FOR ADOPTION - RESOLUTION
24 NO. 154, 2005 - AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND OTHER
25 APPROPRIATE CITY OFFICIALS TO EXECUTE AND ENTER INTO A
01 CONTRACT FOR PROFESSIONAL SERVICES WITH THOMAS J.
02 MCLANE AND ASSOCIATES INC. FOR ANALYSIS, CONCEPT
03 PLANNING AND DESIGN OF IMPROVEMENTS TO CONNELL PARK.
04 MR. DIBILEO: As chairperson for
05 the committee on rules, I recommend final passage of
06 Item 7-C.
07 MR. POCIUS: Seconded.
08 MR. DIBILEO: On the question?
09 Roll call, please, Neil.
10 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. McTiernan.
11 MR. McTIERNAN: Yes.
12 MR. COOLICAN: Ms. Evans.
13 MS. EVANS: Yes.
14 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. Pocius.
15 MR. POCIUS: Yes.
16 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. Courtright.
17 MR. COURTRIGHT: Yes.
18 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. DiBileo.
19 MR. DIBILEO: Yes. I hereby
20 declare Item 7-C legally and lawfully adopted.
21 MR. WALSH: 7-D, FOR CONSIDERATION
22 BY THE COMMITTEE ON FINANCE - FOR ADOPTION - FILE OF
23 COUNCIL NO. 139, 2005 - SALE OF TAX DELINQUENT PROPERTY
24 AT 501 JADWIN STREET, SCRANTON, PENNSYLVANIA, TO
25 JAMES E. AND KATHLEEN E. PAYESKI, 503 JADWIN STREET,
01 SCRANTON, PENNSYLVANIA, 18509, FOR THE SUM OF
03 MR. DIBILEO: What's the
04 recommendation of the chairperson for the committee on
06 MS. EVANS: As chairperson for the
07 committee on finance, I recommend final passage of
08 Item 7-D.
09 MR. POCIUS: Seconded.
10 MR. DIBILEO: On the question?
11 MR. WALSH: Mr. DiBileo, the
12 audience has the ability to speak on this question,
13 because the rules were suspended, and it was passed so
14 there's an opportunity for anyone in the public that
15 would like to speak.
16 MR. DIBILEO: Is there anyone who
17 would like to speak on 7-D, formerly 6-B? If not,
18 Mr. Coolican, roll call.
19 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. McTiernan.
20 MR. McTIERNAN: Yes.
21 MR. COOLICAN: Ms. Evans.
22 MS. EVANS: Yes.
23 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. Pocius.
24 MR. POCIUS: Yes.
25 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. Courtright.
01 MR. COURTRIGHT: Yes.
02 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. DiBileo.
03 MR. DIBILEO: Yes. I hereby
04 declare Item 7-D, formerly 6-B, legally and lawfully
06 MR. WALSH: 7-E, FOR CONSIDERATION
07 BY THE COMMITTEE ON FINANCE - FOR ADOPTION - FILE OF
08 COUNCIL nO. 140, 2005 - SALE OF TAX DELINQUENT PROPERTY
09 AT 1114 BLAIR AVENUE, SCRANTON, PENNSYLVANIA, TO ROBERT
10 GAVERN, P.O. BOX 20132, SCRANTON, PENNSYLVANIA, 18502,
11 FOR THE SUM OF $5,000,00.
12 MR. DIBILEO: What's the
13 recommendation of the chairperson for the committee on
15 MS. EVANS: As chairperson for the
16 committee on finance, I recommend final passage of
17 Item 7-E.
18 MR. POCIUS: Seconded.
19 MR. DIBILEO: On the question?
20 Would anyone like to comment on 7-E? Okay. If not,
21 roll call.
22 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. McTiernan.
23 MR. McTIERNAN: Yes.
24 MR. COOLICAN: Mrs. Evans.
25 MS. EVANS: Yes.
01 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. Pocius.
02 MR. POCIUS: Yes.
03 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. Courtright.
04 MR. COURTRIGHT: Yes.
05 MR. COOLICAN: Mr. DiBileo.
06 MR. DIBILEO: Yes. I hereby
07 declare Item 7-E, formerly 6-C, legally and lawfully
09 MR. DIBILEO: Before we adjourn,
10 very quickly, Mr. Walsh, please take a note, can you
11 look into -- have Jay look into with the proper
12 department, the flooding and backing up of sewer drain
13 at 918 Monroe Avenue, okay?
14 MR. McTIERNAN: Mr. DiBileo, I
15 have a note also I forgot during fifth order, if you
17 Neil, would you take a note for
18 Jay, please. I had some complaints regarding the 300
19 block of Leggett Street regarding a similar flap drain
20 situation. I didn't get down there. The residents did
21 describe the river backing up into the storm sewers, if
22 we can have someone from the DPW with the office or
23 flood control department to check this out, the 300
24 block of Leggett, please. Thank you.
25 MR. DIBILEO: Thank you.
01 MS. EVANS: Just one last thing,
02 Ward Place, that needs pothole repair or paving,
03 W-A-R-D, it's off, I believe, Cooper Avenue. Whatever
04 they can do to rectify the situation, because they're
05 huge like on Watrous Place.
06 MR. DIBILEO: Yeah, and on
07 918 Monroe Avenue, have Jay look into that. Seeing no
08 in business on the agenda, I'll entertain a motion to
10 MR. COURTRIGHT: So moved.
11 MR. POCIUS: Seconded.
12 MR. DIBILEO: We're adjourned.
14 (MEETING WAS ADJOURNED.)
01 C E R T I F I C A T E
02 I hereby certify that the proceedings and
03 evidence are contained fully and accurately in the
03 notes taken by me on the hearing of the above cause and
04 that this copy is a correct transcript of the same to
04 the best of my ability.
08 LISA M. GRAFF, RPR
08 OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER